Learning from scratch - any recommendations? [with OT additions]
richmondmathewson at gmail.com
Mon Nov 4 13:56:49 EST 2019
I think that that has little to do with how people acquire other
languages, but quite a lot
to do with concepts of inclusiveness and tribalism.
I doubt whether those Slovakians are consciously setting out to be rude,
1. They probably feel that it is easier to convey certain concepts to
their compatriots in their mother tongue.
2. I felt, on my visit to the USA last Summer, that people seemed less
friendly than when I was there for 3 years in the early 90s. Put this
down to a cultural shift if you will, put it down to the effect of
half-Hebridean if you will, put it down to some sort of rise in racism;
I honestly don't know.
Of course if one wants to be tribal and rude (which are often confused)
a person like myself
educated in England could get "all b*tchy" about your "perfectly good
Which does rather prove the point, that all of what you have mentioned
about Slovakian volleyball players comes down to perceptions and
manners: not how languages are learnt.
On 4.11.19 17:54, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I'll just throw this in the mix. I find in America that where once people spoke the language common to their immediate society (the people around them) now people seem to not care. We have 3 slovakian volleyball players at the beach who in spite of speaking perfectly good english, revert to slovakian often, for which I chide them regularly. It's like walking over to a corner in a party and whispering to each other while everyone looks on. I find it rude.
> Bob S
>> On Nov 3, 2019, at 17:33 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> On 03/11/2019 22:04, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I'm not sure if in some countries kids learn languages more easily than in others.
>>> But, I do think:
>>> 1. In English-speaking countries there is an unconscious feeling that learning a foreign language is not 100%
>>> serious as "all the world learns English."
>> No, it's surely simpler than that.
>> For an English speaker, a rational analysis shows that the Return on Investment for learning *any* other language is much lower than the RoI for anyone else thinking of learning English.
>> Learning another language is (for most of us) difficult - it takes a lot of time, energy and effort; so it's a legitimate question whether or not it is worth that investment ?
>> Although Mandarin and Hindi are spoken by more people than English, the great majority of those people are very unlikely to be encountered by any English speaker.
>> Spanish has some claim - but outside of South America its numbers are much smaller - and the percentage of those outside South America who don't also speak English is (I suspect - can't find reliable numbers to back it up) probably low.
>> There are many good reasons to learn another language, ranging from the well-proven neurological benefits of multiple languages to the simple common courtesy of doing so - but in straightforward "increase in ability to communicate" I'm unconvinced that an English speaker gains enough to justify the effort.
>> Better to put the time / money into supporting EFL / ESL for others :-)
>> Alex, only partially tongue in cheek.
>> P.S. hmmm does that argument also apply to Livecode ??
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