Learning from scratch - any recommendations?
JJS
jjs at krutt.org
Fri Nov 1 17:41:05 EDT 2019
Also a very good point !
Thanks Erik.
Op 1-11-2019 om 19:43 schreef Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode:
> " Try to learn Dutch, if we had'nt sold New York to the Brittish you'd all talk Dutch"
>
> LOL
>
> The other point you maybe wanted to make but forgotten is to mention The Dutch East India Company, officially the United East India Company (in Dutch the VOC).
> VOC became the world's first formally listed public company. In other words, it was the first corporation to be listed on an official stock exchange. It was influential in the rise of corporate-led globalisation in the early modern period.
>
> I am proud to be Dutch :)
>
> On 01/11/2019, 19:29, "use-livecode on behalf of JJS via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> quote : I hate to learn another language. That is why I live in the
> United States. /quote
>
> If we the Dutch go to Germany we talk German, if we go to France many of
> us not all talk French, if we go to other countries we talk mainly English.
>
> If Germans or French come to our country we talk their language or english
>
> Try to learn Dutch, if we had'nt sold New York to the Brittish you'd all
> talk Dutch
>
> And partly thank God it happened or we'd all would listen to Dutch music
> today and most of it i can't stand :)
>
> there was another point i wanted to make, but during typing i forgot.
>
>
> Back on topic, Java or Kotlin is something i would want to try, but it's
> more difficult, although everyone says their language is so easy.
> Livecode is best to step in.
>
>
> Op 1-11-2019 om 18:52 schreef dunbarx--- via use-livecode:
> > I am with Richmond, mainly.
> > I hate to learn another language. That is why I live in the United States.
> > LC, if you introduce only a handful or three of native words, controls and concepts, is accessible to anyone with a real desire to learn this sort of thing. Even a first grader; they just need more mentoring. Even someone who did not know they would like to build stuff in software.
> > The trick is the engagement, to make it seem cool and fun.
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Cc: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Fri, Nov 1, 2019 12:59 pm
> > Subject: Re: Learning from scratch - any recommendations?
> >
> > I have a radical disagreement with Scratch and its ilk as, while it does
> > allow one to run up simple computer games, it does not let users see the
> > "guts" of a program, and seems not to give children transferrable skill for
> > non-block programming languages. I have successfully started kids from 9
> > years old and upward on programming with both BBC BASIC and Livecode.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 6:00 PM kee nethery via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> My recommendation is to have them start with scratch.mit.edu and spend a
> >> month making stuff with that language. Scratch is built for 1st graders to
> >> pick up and it is extremely satisfying as the starter language. They get
> >> exposed to all sorts of concepts, message passing, variables, flow control,
> >> multi-processing, it’s a great starter language. A month making stuff and
> >> then move to livecode.
> >>
> >> Kee
> >>
> >>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 3:23 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>> I was disappointed that I only got one reply to my query about LC as a
> >> platform for learning programming - I thought this was a big thing with
> >> quite a few people on this list, some of whom are actually educators. Since
> >> I’ve failed in this, can someone suggest a better way of getting an answer
> >> (e.g. forums, mother ship)?
> >>> TIA
> >>>
> >>> Graham
> >>>
> >>> I wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have been approached by one of my family to ask what would be the
> >> first steps for someone (a young adult) to enable them to enter the world
> >> of app design and programming. Obviously I need to ask more questions
> >> myself, such as whether this would be to get a job, or simply as an
> >> educational exercise, or maybe to provide a launchpad for a startup idea.
> >> However, even at this stage, of course my thoughts turned to LiveCode.
> >>>> So my question to the community is, how would such a person start off -
> >> assuming they’re intelligent, very familiar with consumer-level technology
> >> such as smart phones, tablets, laptop computers for study etc. and social
> >> media, but probably have never seen or thought about what is involved in
> >> designing, implementing and publishing an app (I would just say “a
> >> program”, but that shows how old I am) on any platform? If it is LC (and
> >> why not?), are the published lessons sufficient? What is the view of those
> >> on this list who do actually teach this stuff?
> >>>> The trouble for me is that I have been around all this for 50 years
> >> (more, to be truthful) and so can’t project myself well into the mind of
> >> that kind of newbie. One guess is that one way to start would be to find a
> >> cheap hardware platform (probably an Android tablet) and try to use the LC
> >> Community Edition to allow me to create something for that; but that idea
> >> may be stupid, particularly as one would need a different platform to
> >> actually do the development work.
> >>>> Hoping for some insights
> >>>>
> >>>> Graham
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