A problem with RunRev email account "sage.on-rev.com"

Ralph DiMola rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
Mon May 27 22:24:55 EDT 2019


This smells like the early internet when SMTP servers were all open. There was a black list called ORBS that listed you if you did not comply and lock down your SMTP server. They stated that they couldn't be successfully sued and if you tried they threatened to leave you on the black list forever. Different but the same.

I have no tolerance for spammers/hackers. White collar crime should be prosecuted and penalties should be draconian so the rest of us don't caught up in the net of scatter-shot lockdowns.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of ambassador--- via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 6:29 PM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: ambassador at fourthworld.com
Subject: Re: A problem with RunRev email account "sage.on-rev.com"

Robert J. Earp wrote:

> Jim,
> I’ve had this before with other accounts, albeit not run-rev.  It’s 
> always a problem with the server thinking I’m sending spam when 
> eMailing to many addresses.  Even if you get the IP address removed 
> from a blacklist you run the risk of it getting put on again without 
> any notification.  I suggest you use MailChimp, it’s free and works 
> like a charm.

Or get a dedicated IP for your mail server, or become a mail admin and set up your own system for handling mail, or....

The other solution is to shut down vigilantism.

Collective punishment is recognized by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as flat-out wrong.  Why do we tolerate it in cyberspace with spam vigilantes?

I respect the difficulty of fighting spam, but knocking hundreds of legitimate accounts offline because one user of a machine is criminal is like shooting up a an entire neighborhood of families to get one bank robber.

I've tried contacting some of the vigilante spam fighters to get white listed, with varying results. Many respond to such requests with a presumption of guilt, making it not only unnecessarily difficult to resolve the issue, but just plain rude as well.

IP whitelisting must be made simple and straightforward.  Vigilantes should recognize that it's far better to let a spammer slip through the prevention system than to risk preventing legitimate people from conducting their business through email.

But they don't.

So we need to take away their ropes and their hangin' trees, and turn their zeal down a few notches to rejoin a fair and just society.

- rg/4w


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