windows defender issues? & other AV issues

Curry Kenworthy curry at
Thu Jan 17 02:46:48 EST 2019

Thanks Richard and Jacque for the enthusiastic support of my opening 

"it's quite possible to save data in stack file(s) if you do it

Yes, that holds true. :)

But as a responsible advisor to people in the community at large, I must 
discourage stack files as first choice to save data from installed apps. 
People who follow that route often have trouble.

Not talking about any particular dry academic "best practices" that 
someone wrote, someone else read, a third parroted. Nor tradition. 
Simply real LC cases right here in our community - I find a good 
correlation between people with problems and people who save to stacks. 
Few do it properly. It's a problem here.

When people have bad habits, I actually get more business. So maybe I 
should be encouraging people to use stacks first and foremost for data 
storage, among other things! Ha ha. But there's no way I'd ever do that; 
I care about people and I want them to have fewer problems in their code.

Using stacks to save data, "It's very tempting to try and save data to 
the distribution folder, or to mix data and user interface together!" 
The medium does have some effect on the transaction and the people 
involved, also depending on what experience people are coming from.

Since stacks normally hold UI and LC code, it's a very small step to mix 
data and UI together. And that's exactly what people tend to do. From 
there, they tend to save directly to the app folder, another tiny step 
that often involves just one word of code. Not to mention a few other 
gotchas of stacks compared to other files if used wrongly. It's a quick 
route to trouble, and I've been called to rescue many a ship that was 
following that siren call....

I provided a quick fix for those in that situation. And it's also 
possible to use stack files the "right" way for saving data. For that 
matter stacks can hold almost any type of data, and almost any type of 
data file can hold stacks and UI. Anything is possible.

But most people will be better served keeping these things separated for 
easy understanding and building solid habits. Stacks (or properly 
designated flat files) for UI and code, another type of file or a 
database for data. App in Program Files or Applications, data in the 
proper place per OS and purpose. A standard installer, or else even more 
care (not less) in app awareness and data handling. Sign your app if 
needed, or provide some installation FAQ for users, and be cautious 
about accessing files to minimize AV issues and system issues.

These tend to steer people in the right direction, and mixing things 
together often leads people astray. I'm sorry that's the case, it 
doesn't have to be, but often it is. Real people, real stacks; reality 
talking. Of course, stack-data aficionados that know their stuff can do 
their thing; I'm probably not reaching a ghostly hand out of your email 
Inbox to stop you. (Just make sure that it works as well as you think! 
I've seen some notable exceptions.)

So that's my PSA on data files. It's pretty much win-win-win because 
either the tip helps people and they avoid problems, or if they take 
another road and have trouble I'll likely have the chance to help them 
out later, while those who really know the ropes can feel even more 
empowered using stacks for data and piling on greater support for my 
opening observation. Take care and good night! :D

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
"Better Methods, Better Results"
LiveCode Training and Consulting

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