From dvglasgow at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 05:37:05 2018
From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 10:37:05 +0100
Subject: Tessellated hexagonal grid?
In-Reply-To: <3FF562B7-1B81-4A7E-8C66-D0491DA6F168@hyperhh.de>
References: <3FF562B7-1B81-4A7E-8C66-D0491DA6F168@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <33D60956-0BF1-44B5-AFB2-3AE4F97439A6@gmail.com>

Most excellent!

> On 30 Jun 2018, at 1:26 am, hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> A simple hexagonal grid creating stack:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=168657#p168657
> 
> You choose the number of rows and columns and, for "scaling",
> the horizontal radius and vertical radius of the circumellipses.
> 
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From christer at mindcrea.com  Sun Jul  1 06:21:42 2018
From: christer at mindcrea.com (=?utf-8?Q?Pyyhti=C3=A4_Christer?=)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 13:21:42 +0300
Subject: Filed entry cursor
Message-ID: <B8E4B11D-AD56-4488-B3EE-2C85BD507B09@mindcrea.com>

Using different devices I have not found out how to make a well visible text field entry pointing cursor. What is seen is typically a very faint vertical line, which barely can be seen. I remember having seen a nice vertical tile, blinking on the location you can do your entry. How owuld one be able to make it with LiveCode text field entry, blinking and possibly utilising colour with it to improve the detectability?

rgds

Christer Pyyhti?
MindCrea Ltd
christer at mindcrea.com




From hh at hyperhh.de  Sun Jul  1 07:21:16 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 13:21:16 +0200
Subject: Filed entry cursor
Message-ID: <57FD26B3-48D5-40AB-9A29-877EE497F549@hyperhh.de>

This is a stack for making cursor images:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=129211#p129211

You can set the color, size and transparency of the cursor image.
Don't forget to set the hotspot adjusted to the cursor's size.

Just copy your cursor image to your stack and set the cursor
(or the defaultcursor) for your fiels on mouseEnter and mouseLeave .

The stack also show's how to create cursor's on the fly (for example
to use cursor the cursor as progress indicator).






From tfabacher at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 07:43:44 2018
From: tfabacher at gmail.com (Todd Fabacher)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 07:43:44 -0400
Subject: WooCommerce API Manager & Livecode
Message-ID: <CACjPeOSfwmcGK+LKURmQ1D-f3LKQfowuQJNnjpYRO2M_hD3dbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Peter,

Yes, Digital Pomegranate created an interfaced with WooCommerce several
times via the WP RestAPI.

Here is the documentation:
https://woocommerce.github.io/woocommerce-rest-api-docs/

You can get the LiveCode-WP RestAPI script here:
https://github.com/digitalpomegranate/livecode-wp-restapi

Just be aware you are going to need a WP OAuth plugin to connect. Before
Woo had their own API, but they now fully support the standard API.

Email if you have any questions. I am traveling this week, so give me a day
or two to respond.

--Todd


From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Jul  1 11:19:34 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 15:19:34 +0000
Subject: Mastering TS Net
Message-ID: <C6F79403-FF07-419F-B3A0-02DFA04847D6@hindu.org>

I really need to get my head around TSNet, so began experiments.

This is the documentation for tsNetGetFile

" local tHeaders, tResult

put tsNetGetFile("1", "/path/to/downloaded/file.dat", \
"ftp://user:pass at ftp.example.com/file.dat", tHeaders, \
"transferComplete") into tResult

on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
	local tData, tHeaders
	if pCurlCode is not 0 then
		answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
	else
	a	nswer "File has been downloaded"
	end if
	tsNetCloseConn pID
end transferComplete

# but my first attempt to "get it" ... ran into this error. 

Are there any good lessons on all TSNet functions?
 I am not looking forward to wading into this blind as a bat.

# variable watcher

tResult      --        tsneterr: ID already in use

what is strange is this, the IDE gives the error even before tracing the mouseup.

So I did not even get off home plate.

############
local tHeaders, tResult

on mouseup 
# put a break here... the IDE show an error *before* stepping into the next statement
# I can't even close the connection with:
   tsNetCloseConn "1"
   put empty into tResult
   put fld aURL into pURL
   put empty into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
   put empty  into fld "tHTMLfield"
   set the itemDel to "/" 
   put item -1 of pURL into tFileName
   put ("~/Desktop/"&tFileName) into tLocalFile
   put tsNetGetFile("1",tLocalFile,pURL,tHeaders,"transferComplete") into tResult
 
   --  put libURLLastHTTPHeaders() into fld "fldHTTPHeader" 
end mouseup

on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
   if pCurlCode is not 0 then
      answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
   else
      answer "File has been downloaded"
      put tHeaders into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
   end if
   tsNetCloseConn pID
end transferComplete

BR



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul  1 12:39:10 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 11:39:10 -0500
Subject: Filed entry cursor
In-Reply-To: <B8E4B11D-AD56-4488-B3EE-2C85BD507B09@mindcrea.com>
References: <B8E4B11D-AD56-4488-B3EE-2C85BD507B09@mindcrea.com>
Message-ID: <16456b65fb0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I think the appearance of the insertion point is controlled by the OS. You 
could submit a report to see if it is possible to change it. That may be 
allowed on some platforms.

If you are talking about mobile devices, I've seen that LC fields sometimes 
don't display an insertion point at all, and show very erratic behavior 
during text entry. The solution is to use a native field, but I'm not sure 
the insertion point can be altered there either. It wouldn't hurt to submit 
a feature request though.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 1, 2018 5:25:17 AM Pyyhti? Christer via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Using different devices I have not found out how to make a well visible 
> text field entry pointing cursor. What is seen is typically a very faint 
> vertical line, which barely can be seen. I remember having seen a nice 
> vertical tile, blinking on the location you can do your entry. How owuld 
> one be able to make it with LiveCode text field entry, blinking and 
> possibly utilising colour with it to improve the detectability?
>
> rgds
>
> Christer Pyyhti?
> MindCrea Ltd
> christer at mindcrea.com
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul  1 14:00:44 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 13:00:44 -0500
Subject: Mastering TS Net
In-Reply-To: <C6F79403-FF07-419F-B3A0-02DFA04847D6@hindu.org>
References: <C6F79403-FF07-419F-B3A0-02DFA04847D6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <16457010ce0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Does TSNet even work with local files? For local files use the read/write 
commands or "get/put url".

With a commercial license you shouldn't need to deal with the lower level 
functions for internet communication. The basic put, post, and get commands 
should do it.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 1, 2018 10:21:38 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I really need to get my head around TSNet, so began experiments.
>
> This is the documentation for tsNetGetFile
>
> " local tHeaders, tResult
>
> put tsNetGetFile("1", "/path/to/downloaded/file.dat", \
> "ftp://user:pass at ftp.example.com/file.dat", tHeaders, \
> "transferComplete") into tResult
>
> on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
> local tData, tHeaders
> if pCurlCode is not 0 then
> 	answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
> else
> a	nswer "File has been downloaded"
> end if
> tsNetCloseConn pID
> end transferComplete
>
> # but my first attempt to "get it" ... ran into this error.
>
> Are there any good lessons on all TSNet functions?
> I am not looking forward to wading into this blind as a bat.
>
> # variable watcher
>
> tResult      --        tsneterr: ID already in use
>
> what is strange is this, the IDE gives the error even before tracing the 
> mouseup.
>
> So I did not even get off home plate.
>
> ############
> local tHeaders, tResult
>
> on mouseup
> # put a break here... the IDE show an error *before* stepping into the next 
> statement
> # I can't even close the connection with:
>   tsNetCloseConn "1"
>   put empty into tResult
>   put fld aURL into pURL
>   put empty into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>   put empty  into fld "tHTMLfield"
>   set the itemDel to "/"
>   put item -1 of pURL into tFileName
>   put ("~/Desktop/"&tFileName) into tLocalFile
>   put tsNetGetFile("1",tLocalFile,pURL,tHeaders,"transferComplete") into tResult
>
>   --  put libURLLastHTTPHeaders() into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
> end mouseup
>
> on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
>   if pCurlCode is not 0 then
>      answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
>   else
>      answer "File has been downloaded"
>      put tHeaders into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>   end if
>   tsNetCloseConn pID
> end transferComplete
>
> BR
>
>
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Sun Jul  1 16:20:52 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 13:20:52 -0700
Subject: WooCommerce API Manager & Livecode
In-Reply-To: <CACjPeOSfwmcGK+LKURmQ1D-f3LKQfowuQJNnjpYRO2M_hD3dbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACjPeOSfwmcGK+LKURmQ1D-f3LKQfowuQJNnjpYRO2M_hD3dbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D53C28C7-2C1C-4D85-8D08-7C261EF040B5@me.com>

Todd,

Thanks for this!

Peter


> On Jul 1, 2018, at 4:43 AM, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Peter,
> 
> Yes, Digital Pomegranate created an interfaced with WooCommerce several
> times via the WP RestAPI.
> 
> Here is the documentation:
> https://woocommerce.github.io/woocommerce-rest-api-docs/
> 
> You can get the LiveCode-WP RestAPI script here:
> https://github.com/digitalpomegranate/livecode-wp-restapi
> 
> Just be aware you are going to need a WP OAuth plugin to connect. Before
> Woo had their own API, but they now fully support the standard API.
> 
> Email if you have any questions. I am traveling this week, so give me a day
> or two to respond.
> 
> --Todd
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From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Sun Jul  1 21:40:13 2018
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 11:40:13 +1000
Subject: Mastering TS Net
In-Reply-To: <C6F79403-FF07-419F-B3A0-02DFA04847D6@hindu.org>
References: <C6F79403-FF07-419F-B3A0-02DFA04847D6@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <EDA5723B-6AE3-4F5B-863E-7B9A03443FB9@techstrategies.com.au>

Hi BR,

There are a series of lessons on tsNet on the LiveCode website:

http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/c/235433

If you are looking for an example of how to download something direct to a file, the lesson called ?How to asynchronously download via SFTP directly a file? should help.

The same concepts apply for downloading to a file regardless of the protocol being used.

If you can?t quite find an example lesson that answers what you need, let me know and I will get one organised.

Regards,

Charles

> On 2 Jul 2018, at 1:19 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I really need to get my head around TSNet, so began experiments.
> 
> This is the documentation for tsNetGetFile
> 
> " local tHeaders, tResult
> 
> put tsNetGetFile("1", "/path/to/downloaded/file.dat", \
> "ftp://user:pass at ftp.example.com/file.dat", tHeaders, \
> "transferComplete") into tResult
> 
> on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
>    local tData, tHeaders
>    if pCurlCode is not 0 then
>        answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
>    else
>    a    nswer "File has been downloaded"
>    end if
>    tsNetCloseConn pID
> end transferComplete
> 
> # but my first attempt to "get it" ... ran into this error. 
> 
> Are there any good lessons on all TSNet functions?
> I am not looking forward to wading into this blind as a bat.
> 
> # variable watcher
> 
> tResult      --        tsneterr: ID already in use
> 
> what is strange is this, the IDE gives the error even before tracing the mouseup.
> 
> So I did not even get off home plate.
> 
> ############
> local tHeaders, tResult
> 
> on mouseup 
> # put a break here... the IDE show an error *before* stepping into the next statement
> # I can't even close the connection with:
>   tsNetCloseConn "1"
>   put empty into tResult
>   put fld aURL into pURL
>   put empty into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>   put empty  into fld "tHTMLfield"
>   set the itemDel to "/" 
>   put item -1 of pURL into tFileName
>   put ("~/Desktop/"&tFileName) into tLocalFile
>   put tsNetGetFile("1",tLocalFile,pURL,tHeaders,"transferComplete") into tResult
> 
>   --  put libURLLastHTTPHeaders() into fld "fldHTTPHeader" 
> end mouseup
> 
> on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
>   if pCurlCode is not 0 then
>      answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
>   else
>      answer "File has been downloaded"
>      put tHeaders into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>   end if
>   tsNetCloseConn pID
> end transferComplete
> 
> BR
> 
> 
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Jul  2 00:45:43 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 00:45:43 -0400
Subject: Sort IP List
In-Reply-To: <72729fb4-8d1f-df9d-df75-0cdca049ddc0@sonic.net>
References: <9E7ABF92-E604-443F-BE90-C92294279584@uni-wh.de>	<CAPzQJL+NjsJaV1Xejig5F_P2NFd5mtik5XbxVHTTHiBy5RPF5w@mail.gmail.com>	<001801d410d3$ac64fb70$052ef250$@net>
	<72729fb4-8d1f-df9d-df75-0cdca049ddc0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <000001d411bf$8bc3aeb0$a34b0c10$@net>

I agree "mind-bogglingly nonsensical"

Something is very odd. If I open the stack with fresh start of the IDE I
start getting results closer to what I would expect. The by ref is about 5
to 10% faster. NOW.... Every so often when I open the message box things
start getting weird and I get those crazy results. If I close msg then it is
different weird. When I say different I mean that another step in the
process starts taking longer. Close LC and restart and things are back to
normal until I open the message box a few times. No pattern as of yet. But I
do know if you don't open the message box it never goes crazy. I'm going to
dig in and see what's happening here. If I can get a recipe I'm going to
send it off to Panos.

Win 10 VM
LC 9

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Wieder via use-livecode
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 11:05 PM
To: Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
Cc: Mark Wieder
Subject: Re: Sort IP List

Ralph-

Not that I'm doubting your findings, but those both seem mind-bogglingly
nonsensical to me. Can you post your test code?

--
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com

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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jul  2 09:29:42 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 14:29:42 +0100
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 135
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8z1jHUqEN92bSKcEpn6WfqmkWmO1OH3BAqrnXvbwE4sg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

        Read issue #135 here: https://goo.gl/pqKtJ8

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.



-- 
Panagiotis Merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
LiveCode Software Developer

Everyone Can Create Apps <https://livecode.com>


From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jul  2 09:36:00 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 13:36:00 +0000
Subject: Mastering TS Net
In-Reply-To: <EDA5723B-6AE3-4F5B-863E-7B9A03443FB9@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <C6F79403-FF07-419F-B3A0-02DFA04847D6@hindu.org>
	<EDA5723B-6AE3-4F5B-863E-7B9A03443FB9@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <B484F851-DF76-4E62-BBC1-F5EA7EC20C1D@hindu.org>

@Charles: Thanks, I look into lessons.

But, using the dictionary example
Why do we get the 

> # variable watcher
    > 
    > tResult      --        tsneterr: ID already in use

Even *before* the trace the script? I have break 

On mouseup

But it gives this error even before starting the trace?

@ Jacqueline: why use TSNet:
1) because the "libURLLastRHHeaders()" are only available to desktop. And I want to see them on mobile
2) because we are working with the "cloud" and async download means I can pass array to TSNet to open connection to download several files at once; like "load" but with more control... ( I think. I have yet to study it out) and get the headers.

Brahmanathaswami
 

?On 7/1/18, 3:40 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Charles Warwick via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Hi BR,
    
    There are a series of lessons on tsNet on the LiveCode website:
    
    http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/c/235433
    
    If you are looking for an example of how to download something direct to a file, the lesson called ?How to asynchronously download via SFTP directly a file? should help.
    
    The same concepts apply for downloading to a file regardless of the protocol being used.
    
    If you can?t quite find an example lesson that answers what you need, let me know and I will get one organised.
    
    Regards,
    
    Charles
    
    > On 2 Jul 2018, at 1:19 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    > 
    > I really need to get my head around TSNet, so began experiments.
    > 
    > This is the documentation for tsNetGetFile
    > 
    > " local tHeaders, tResult
    > 
    > put tsNetGetFile("1", "/path/to/downloaded/file.dat", \
    > "ftp://user:pass at ftp.example.com/file.dat", tHeaders, \
    > "transferComplete") into tResult
    > 
    > on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
    >    local tData, tHeaders
    >    if pCurlCode is not 0 then
    >        answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
    >    else
    >    a    nswer "File has been downloaded"
    >    end if
    >    tsNetCloseConn pID
    > end transferComplete
    > 
    > # but my first attempt to "get it" ... ran into this error. 
    > 
    > Are there any good lessons on all TSNet functions?
    > I am not looking forward to wading into this blind as a bat.
    > 
    > # variable watcher
    > 
    > tResult      --        tsneterr: ID already in use
    > 
    > what is strange is this, the IDE gives the error even before tracing the mouseup.
    > 
    > So I did not even get off home plate.
    > 
    > ############
    > local tHeaders, tResult
    > 
    > on mouseup 
    > # put a break here... the IDE show an error *before* stepping into the next statement
    > # I can't even close the connection with:
    >   tsNetCloseConn "1"
    >   put empty into tResult
    >   put fld aURL into pURL
    >   put empty into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
    >   put empty  into fld "tHTMLfield"
    >   set the itemDel to "/" 
    >   put item -1 of pURL into tFileName
    >   put ("~/Desktop/"&tFileName) into tLocalFile
    >   put tsNetGetFile("1",tLocalFile,pURL,tHeaders,"transferComplete") into tResult
    > 
    >   --  put libURLLastHTTPHeaders() into fld "fldHTTPHeader" 
    > end mouseup
    > 
    > on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
    >   if pCurlCode is not 0 then
    >      answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
    >   else
    >      answer "File has been downloaded"
    >      put tHeaders into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
    >   end if
    >   tsNetCloseConn pID
    > end transferComplete
    > 
    > BR
    > 
    > 
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jul  2 09:59:12 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 09:59:12 -0400
Subject: Sort IP List
In-Reply-To: <000001d411bf$8bc3aeb0$a34b0c10$@net>
References: <9E7ABF92-E604-443F-BE90-C92294279584@uni-wh.de>
	<CAPzQJL+NjsJaV1Xejig5F_P2NFd5mtik5XbxVHTTHiBy5RPF5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d410d3$ac64fb70$052ef250$@net>
	<72729fb4-8d1f-df9d-df75-0cdca049ddc0@sonic.net>
	<000001d411bf$8bc3aeb0$a34b0c10$@net>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJwzRrdJ8aRnUt8_8aoNxquJGQJRriTES2Ja-Vvc-wNWw@mail.gmail.com>

oh yes..... message box makes LC slow to a crawl..I've noticed that. i can
confirm that. Win 10 LC 9 too.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 12:45 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I agree "mind-bogglingly nonsensical"
>
> Something is very odd. If I open the stack with fresh start of the IDE I
> start getting results closer to what I would expect. The by ref is about 5
> to 10% faster. NOW.... Every so often when I open the message box things
> start getting weird and I get those crazy results. If I close msg then it
> is
> different weird. When I say different I mean that another step in the
> process starts taking longer. Close LC and restart and things are back to
> normal until I open the message box a few times. No pattern as of yet. But
> I
> do know if you don't open the message box it never goes crazy. I'm going to
> dig in and see what's happening here. If I can get a recipe I'm going to
> send it off to Panos.
>
> Win 10 VM
> LC 9
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Mark Wieder via use-livecode
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 11:05 PM
> To: Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
> Cc: Mark Wieder
> Subject: Re: Sort IP List
>
> Ralph-
>
> Not that I'm doubting your findings, but those both seem mind-bogglingly
> nonsensical to me. Can you post your test code?
>
> --
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>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jul  2 10:16:28 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 14:16:28 +0000
Subject: Mastering TS Net
In-Reply-To: <B484F851-DF76-4E62-BBC1-F5EA7EC20C1D@hindu.org>
References: <C6F79403-FF07-419F-B3A0-02DFA04847D6@hindu.org>
	<EDA5723B-6AE3-4F5B-863E-7B9A03443FB9@techstrategies.com.au>
	<B484F851-DF76-4E62-BBC1-F5EA7EC20C1D@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <B4A0CFDC-A0B8-44E3-A808-B4F9DEFF9F54@hindu.org>

Charles: Mysteries

I booted Livecode fresh the morning, and used the same script. But I no longer get 

tResult      --        tsneterr: ID already in use.

Dictionary script works as expected "File downloaded" 

local tHeaders, tResult

on mouseup
   tsNetCloseConn "1"
   put empty into tResult
   put fld aURL into pURL
   put empty into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
   put empty  into fld "tHTMLfield"
   set the itemDel to "/" 
   put item -1 of pURL into tFileName
   put ("/Users/brahmanathaswami/Desktop/"&tFileName) into tLocalFile
   put tsNetGetFile("1",tLocalFile,pURL,tHeaders,"transferComplete") into tResult
  
   --  put libURLLastHTTPHeaders() into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
   
end mouseup

on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
   
   if pCurlCode is not 0 then
      answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
   else
      answer "File has been downloaded"
      put tHeaders into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
   end if
   tsNetCloseConn pID
end transferComplete

    ># variable watcher
        > 
        > tResult      --        tsneterr: ID already in use


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jul  2 10:56:38 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 07:56:38 -0700
Subject: Sort IP List
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJwzRrdJ8aRnUt8_8aoNxquJGQJRriTES2Ja-Vvc-wNWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E7ABF92-E604-443F-BE90-C92294279584@uni-wh.de>
	<CAPzQJL+NjsJaV1Xejig5F_P2NFd5mtik5XbxVHTTHiBy5RPF5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d410d3$ac64fb70$052ef250$@net>
	<72729fb4-8d1f-df9d-df75-0cdca049ddc0@sonic.net>
	<000001d411bf$8bc3aeb0$a34b0c10$@net>
	<CAPzQJLJwzRrdJ8aRnUt8_8aoNxquJGQJRriTES2Ja-Vvc-wNWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9eaed3a3-4de3-3301-5ae2-91645a6db73a@sonic.net>

On 07/02/2018 06:59 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> oh yes..... message box makes LC slow to a crawl..I've noticed that. i can
> confirm that. Win 10 LC 9 too.

I've seen that too, especially when spewing debugging statements to the 
messagebox. But not all the time, and nothing I can get a recipe for.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jul  2 11:19:11 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:19:11 +0000
Subject: Mastering TS Net
In-Reply-To: <EDA5723B-6AE3-4F5B-863E-7B9A03443FB9@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <C6F79403-FF07-419F-B3A0-02DFA04847D6@hindu.org>
	<EDA5723B-6AE3-4F5B-863E-7B9A03443FB9@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <A94DD673-44D0-4A13-A7C4-B1B997133B12@hindu.org>

I looked at the lesson. Quite good!

I think one more lesson may be useful. 

In my case I will use a "slide show"  as a use case.

(But there others, thinking of streaming music playlist)

1) Assume you have the URLs for a slideshow; 
2) you fetch this by calling JSON/Text file with the urls for a slide show which exists on the server.
3) Let say you have 100 slides/URLs
4) Galleria (our web app jquery/html5) uses "lazyload 3" parameter, which asynchronously loads the next the 3 slides (besides the one you are viewing) in the background, then users view the next slide (already downloaded) -there is no delay.

So, with TSNetGet

How would set this up Livecode?

You don't want to "overwhelm" the phone with async calls to 100 connections/slide. (Galleria suggests "3")

But there is the advantage of taking the call back message,  get 3 at a time, store them in the documents folder, finally the user has the slides show on his phone, later he can view it off line. 

At the retrieval of the 100th slide, then we informed the user "Slideshow is download complete."

It the user "bails" on slide 36, when he comes back again. TSNetGet starts over but the only which slide 37.

That last part may not want to part of your lessons. Though it would be easy enough to check "these is a file" and if it is true, then TSGetNet, so "next repeat" without downloading.

I could work this out myself, but is such a common use case, everyone would benefit from it.

Brahmanathaswami
 

?On 7/1/18, 3:40 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Charles Warwick via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    If you can?t quite find an example lesson that answers what you need, let me know and I will get one organised.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  2 12:17:38 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 11:17:38 -0500
Subject: Sort IP List
In-Reply-To: <9eaed3a3-4de3-3301-5ae2-91645a6db73a@sonic.net>
References: <9E7ABF92-E604-443F-BE90-C92294279584@uni-wh.de>
	<CAPzQJL+NjsJaV1Xejig5F_P2NFd5mtik5XbxVHTTHiBy5RPF5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d410d3$ac64fb70$052ef250$@net>
	<72729fb4-8d1f-df9d-df75-0cdca049ddc0@sonic.net>
	<000001d411bf$8bc3aeb0$a34b0c10$@net>
	<CAPzQJLJwzRrdJ8aRnUt8_8aoNxquJGQJRriTES2Ja-Vvc-wNWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9eaed3a3-4de3-3301-5ae2-91645a6db73a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1645bc900e8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

There used to be a barrage of pending messages generated by the IDE that 
were updating in the message box. Look at the messages pane and set it to 
auto-update, see if they're still there

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 2, 2018 9:58:40 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 07/02/2018 06:59 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>> oh yes..... message box makes LC slow to a crawl..I've noticed that. i can
>> confirm that. Win 10 LC 9 too.
>
> I've seen that too, especially when spewing debugging statements to the
> messagebox. But not all the time, and nothing I can get a recipe for.
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jul  2 12:36:19 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 12:36:19 -0400
Subject: Sort IP List
In-Reply-To: <1645bc900e8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9E7ABF92-E604-443F-BE90-C92294279584@uni-wh.de>
	<CAPzQJL+NjsJaV1Xejig5F_P2NFd5mtik5XbxVHTTHiBy5RPF5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d410d3$ac64fb70$052ef250$@net>
	<72729fb4-8d1f-df9d-df75-0cdca049ddc0@sonic.net>
	<000001d411bf$8bc3aeb0$a34b0c10$@net>
	<CAPzQJLJwzRrdJ8aRnUt8_8aoNxquJGQJRriTES2Ja-Vvc-wNWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9eaed3a3-4de3-3301-5ae2-91645a6db73a@sonic.net>
	<1645bc900e8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+mT2QyRYAYqLUp=a4HJjxNdE2jZmoHtbDke4vuzmNrgw@mail.gmail.com>

ok i will try to provide more info on this from my stack when it happens
next.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 12:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> There used to be a barrage of pending messages generated by the IDE that
> were updating in the message box. Look at the messages pane and set it to
> auto-update, see if they're still there
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
> On July 2, 2018 9:58:40 AM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> On 07/02/2018 06:59 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> oh yes..... message box makes LC slow to a crawl..I've noticed that. i
>>> can
>>> confirm that. Win 10 LC 9 too.
>>>
>>
>> I've seen that too, especially when spewing debugging statements to the
>> messagebox. But not all the time, and nothing I can get a recipe for.
>>
>> --
>>  Mark Wieder
>>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
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From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Mon Jul  2 12:53:34 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2018 16:53:34 +0000
Subject: Mastering TS Net
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1530525602.30476.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20180702165334.Horde.N5B_XJ2YpN6FYzWuu7qVCgD@ua850258.serversignin.com>

Like Jacque mentioned, I don't think you need to bother with tsNet for  
local files since they should be almost instantly loaded.

I too struggled with tsNet when I first tried to implement it, but  
this website helped me more than the LiveCode pages:  
https://www.techstrategies.com.au/tsnet-resources/

The problem you are encountering is that you can only have one unique  
ID referenced at a time (first parameter). If you try to make another  
call using that ID before the first call is returned then you'll get  
an error. Once a call with the ID has been finished (successful or  
not), that ID is recycled and available for use again.

The documentation doesn't explain well (in my initial understanding)  
that this doesn't have to be "1" or even a number. I experimented with  
random(10000) as my pID before encountering that same "ID already in  
use" error and discovered that for most of my uses I could just  
hard-code a text based ID that made more sense to me when  
troubleshooting like "get new image" or "check for updates" or even  
some variable with a unique value (like your tFileName).

--Andrew Bell


> Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 15:19:34 +0000
> From: Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami <brahma at hindu.org>
> To: How LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Mastering TS Net
> Message-ID: <C6F79403-FF07-419F-B3A0-02DFA04847D6 at hindu.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I really need to get my head around TSNet, so began experiments.
>
> This is the documentation for tsNetGetFile
>
> " local tHeaders, tResult
>
> put tsNetGetFile("1", "/path/to/downloaded/file.dat", \
> "ftp://user:pass at ftp.example.com/file.dat", tHeaders, \
> "transferComplete") into tResult
>
> on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
> 	local tData, tHeaders
> 	if pCurlCode is not 0 then
> 		answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
> 	else
> 	a	nswer "File has been downloaded"
> 	end if
> 	tsNetCloseConn pID
> end transferComplete
>
> # but my first attempt to "get it" ... ran into this error.
>
> Are there any good lessons on all TSNet functions?
>  I am not looking forward to wading into this blind as a bat.
>
> # variable watcher
>
> tResult      --        tsneterr: ID already in use
>
> what is strange is this, the IDE gives the error even before tracing  
> the mouseup.
>
> So I did not even get off home plate.
>
> ############
> local tHeaders, tResult
>
> on mouseup
> # put a break here... the IDE show an error *before* stepping into  
> the next statement
> # I can't even close the connection with:
>    tsNetCloseConn "1"
>    put empty into tResult
>    put fld aURL into pURL
>    put empty into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>    put empty  into fld "tHTMLfield"
>    set the itemDel to "/"
>    put item -1 of pURL into tFileName
>    put ("~/Desktop/"&tFileName) into tLocalFile
>    put tsNetGetFile("1",tLocalFile,pURL,tHeaders,"transferComplete")  
> into tResult
>
>    --  put libURLLastHTTPHeaders() into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
> end mouseup
>
> on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
>    if pCurlCode is not 0 then
>       answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
>    else
>       answer "File has been downloaded"
>       put tHeaders into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>    end if
>    tsNetCloseConn pID
> end transferComplete
>
> BR
>
>
> Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2018 13:00:44 -0500
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Mastering TS Net
> Message-ID:
> 	<16457010ce0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9 at hyperactivesw.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Does TSNet even work with local files? For local files use the read/write
> commands or "get/put url".
>
> With a commercial license you shouldn't need to deal with the lower level
> functions for internet communication. The basic put, post, and get commands
> should do it.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On July 1, 2018 10:21:38 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> tResult      --        tsneterr: ID already in use
>>
>> what is strange is this, the IDE gives the error even before tracing the
>> mouseup.
>>
>> So I did not even get off home plate.
>>
>> ############
>> local tHeaders, tResult
>>
>> on mouseup
>> # put a break here... the IDE show an error *before* stepping into the next
>> statement
>> # I can't even close the connection with:
>>   tsNetCloseConn "1"
>>   put empty into tResult
>>   put fld aURL into pURL
>>   put empty into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>>   put empty  into fld "tHTMLfield"
>>   set the itemDel to "/"
>>   put item -1 of pURL into tFileName
>>   put ("~/Desktop/"&tFileName) into tLocalFile
>>   put tsNetGetFile("1",tLocalFile,pURL,tHeaders,"transferComplete")  
>> into tResult
>>
>>   --  put libURLLastHTTPHeaders() into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>> end mouseup
>>
>> on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
>>   if pCurlCode is not 0 then
>>      answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
>>   else
>>      answer "File has been downloaded"
>>      put tHeaders into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>>   end if
>>   tsNetCloseConn pID
>> end transferComplete
>>
>> BR
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 11:40:13 +1000
> From: Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Mastering TS Net
> Message-ID:
> 	<EDA5723B-6AE3-4F5B-863E-7B9A03443FB9 at techstrategies.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> Hi BR,
>
> There are a series of lessons on tsNet on the LiveCode website:
>
> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/c/235433
>
> If you are looking for an example of how to download something  
> direct to a file, the lesson called ?How to asynchronously download  
> via SFTP directly a file? should help.
>
> The same concepts apply for downloading to a file regardless of the  
> protocol being used.
>
> If you can?t quite find an example lesson that answers what you  
> need, let me know and I will get one organised.
>
> Regards,
>
> Charles
>
>> On 2 Jul 2018, at 1:19 am, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via  
>> use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I really need to get my head around TSNet, so began experiments.
>>
>> This is the documentation for tsNetGetFile
>>
>> " local tHeaders, tResult
>>
>> put tsNetGetFile("1", "/path/to/downloaded/file.dat", \
>> "ftp://user:pass at ftp.example.com/file.dat", tHeaders, \
>> "transferComplete") into tResult
>>
>> on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
>>    local tData, tHeaders
>>    if pCurlCode is not 0 then
>>        answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
>>    else
>>    a    nswer "File has been downloaded"
>>    end if
>>    tsNetCloseConn pID
>> end transferComplete
>>
>> # but my first attempt to "get it" ... ran into this error.
>>
>> Are there any good lessons on all TSNet functions?
>> I am not looking forward to wading into this blind as a bat.
>>
>> # variable watcher
>>
>> tResult      --        tsneterr: ID already in use
>>
>> what is strange is this, the IDE gives the error even before  
>> tracing the mouseup.
>>
>> So I did not even get off home plate.
>>
>> ############
>> local tHeaders, tResult
>>
>> on mouseup
>> # put a break here... the IDE show an error *before* stepping into  
>> the next statement
>> # I can't even close the connection with:
>>   tsNetCloseConn "1"
>>   put empty into tResult
>>   put fld aURL into pURL
>>   put empty into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>>   put empty  into fld "tHTMLfield"
>>   set the itemDel to "/"
>>   put item -1 of pURL into tFileName
>>   put ("~/Desktop/"&tFileName) into tLocalFile
>>   put tsNetGetFile("1",tLocalFile,pURL,tHeaders,"transferComplete")  
>> into tResult
>>
>>   --  put libURLLastHTTPHeaders() into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>> end mouseup
>>
>> on transferComplete pID, pResult, pBytes, pCurlCode
>>   if pCurlCode is not 0 then
>>      answer tsNetRetrError(pID)
>>   else
>>      answer "File has been downloaded"
>>      put tHeaders into fld "fldHTTPHeader"
>>   end if
>>   tsNetCloseConn pID
>> end transferComplete
>>
>> BR
>>
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 00:45:43 -0400
> From: "Ralph DiMola" <rdimola at evergreeninfo.net>
> To: "'How to use LiveCode'" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: RE: Sort IP List
> Message-ID: <000001d411bf$8bc3aeb0$a34b0c10$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> I agree "mind-bogglingly nonsensical"
>
> Something is very odd. If I open the stack with fresh start of the IDE I
> start getting results closer to what I would expect. The by ref is about 5
> to 10% faster. NOW.... Every so often when I open the message box things
> start getting weird and I get those crazy results. If I close msg then it is
> different weird. When I say different I mean that another step in the
> process starts taking longer. Close LC and restart and things are back to
> normal until I open the message box a few times. No pattern as of yet. But I
> do know if you don't open the message box it never goes crazy. I'm going to
> dig in and see what's happening here. If I can get a recipe I'm going to
> send it off to Panos.
>
> Win 10 VM
> LC 9
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Mark Wieder via use-livecode
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 11:05 PM
> To: Ralph DiMola via use-livecode
> Cc: Mark Wieder
> Subject: Re: Sort IP List
>
> Ralph-
>
> Not that I'm doubting your findings, but those both seem mind-bogglingly
> nonsensical to me. Can you post your test code?
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  2 13:05:57 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:05:57 +0000
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. I nailed this down, and it is indeed as someone surmised, that even though the script editor variable watcher indicated that script local variables had the correct values, it was showing me the BEHAVIOR's script local variable values, and NOT those for the STACK, which were in fact still empty (not initialized). 

This is likely going to bite others in the butt in the future, who use the same script local variables in their behaviors as they do in their parent script. Who knows, maybe I'm going to be the only one in the history of LC to try this, but I just thought I'd toss that out there, in case anyone else gets obscure bugs where a statement ought to work and doesn't. 

Bob S


> On Jun 27, 2018, at 15:50 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> I'm getting heavily into behaviors and script only stacks now (in preparation for Levure Framework) because my project has become complex enough to make it almost inevitable. I have perhaps 20 or so substacks in a mainstack. All the substacks have quite a bit of shared behavior, so I created a button with the common code for all the stacks, then set the behavior of each stack to the long ID of that button. So far so good. It works famously. 
> 
> But I also took the non-common code for each stack, and saved each one as a .livecode script only stack but have yet to set the behavior of the substacks to them. I will eventually do the same for the common code behavior mentioned above. 
> 
> Now I want to nest the behaviors in such a way so that each stack can avail itself of both behaviors. So the first question is, Which behavior should be the first behavior I set the stack to, or does it matter? The next is, how do I nest behaviors of script only stacks? I know I can set the behavior of one button to the behavior of another whose behavior is that of another etc. But how do I do that with script only stack files? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  2 13:35:42 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:35:42 +0000
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B2E41FF7-B598-4B3A-80AE-B957B6508E00@iotecdigital.com>

Whoops! Wrong thread. 

Bob S


> On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:05 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I nailed this down, and it is indeed as someone surmised, that even though the script editor variable watcher indicated that script local variables had the correct values, it was showing me the BEHAVIOR's script local variable values, and NOT those for the STACK, which were in fact still empty (not initialized). 
> 
> This is likely going to bite others in the butt in the future, who use the same script local variables in their behaviors as they do in their parent script. Who knows, maybe I'm going to be the only one in the history of LC to try this, but I just thought I'd toss that out there, in case anyone else gets obscure bugs where a statement ought to work and doesn't. 
> 
> Bob S




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  2 14:42:43 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 18:42:43 +0000
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>

Okay, so apparently I cannot use script local variables in a behavior. Setting the variables in a handler in a behavior script does not retain the values when that handler exits, like they do in a normal object script. Should they? 

The workaround for me is to simply get the custom property of each stack (an array in each stack containing all the values I need) and then reference the array values directly instead of trying to set script local values. The downside to this is I have to get the array in every handler in the behavior script. Not a big deal, but I was trying to be efficient by only having to initialize the values once upon every openStack. 

Bob S


> On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:05 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I nailed this down, and it is indeed as someone surmised, that even though the script editor variable watcher indicated that script local variables had the correct values, it was showing me the BEHAVIOR's script local variable values, and NOT those for the STACK, which were in fact still empty (not initialized). 
> 
> This is likely going to bite others in the butt in the future, who use the same script local variables in their behaviors as they do in their parent script. Who knows, maybe I'm going to be the only one in the history of LC to try this, but I just thought I'd toss that out there, in case anyone else gets obscure bugs where a statement ought to work and doesn't. 
> 
> Bob S




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  2 15:17:42 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 14:17:42 -0500
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>

They do retain independent values, one set of script locals for each 
instance. For example, if you have two buttons that use the same 
behavior, button 1 will retain its script local values and button 2 will 
retain its own (different) set of values.

On 7/2/18 1:42 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Okay, so apparently I cannot use script local variables in a behavior. Setting the variables in a handler in a behavior script does not retain the values when that handler exits, like they do in a normal object script. Should they?
> 
> The workaround for me is to simply get the custom property of each stack (an array in each stack containing all the values I need) and then reference the array values directly instead of trying to set script local values. The downside to this is I have to get the array in every handler in the behavior script. Not a big deal, but I was trying to be efficient by only having to initialize the values once upon every openStack.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:05 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. I nailed this down, and it is indeed as someone surmised, that even though the script editor variable watcher indicated that script local variables had the correct values, it was showing me the BEHAVIOR's script local variable values, and NOT those for the STACK, which were in fact still empty (not initialized).
>>
>> This is likely going to bite others in the butt in the future, who use the same script local variables in their behaviors as they do in their parent script. Who knows, maybe I'm going to be the only one in the history of LC to try this, but I just thought I'd toss that out there, in case anyone else gets obscure bugs where a statement ought to work and doesn't.
>>
>> Bob S
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  2 15:33:08 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 14:33:08 -0500
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3f288eb1-89bc-cb12-ce4b-363ba18b6771@hyperactivesw.com>

Actually, do you mean you want to set the script locals for the behavior 
object itself? You can do that, but it will only apply to that 
particular control. The magic word is "this me" : "set the sLocal of 
this me to xxx".

If you want the script locals of the behavior object to be shared for 
every other object that uses the behavior, you need global variables. 
Behaviors act like they are the actual script of an object. Setting a 
script local for button 1 wouldn't share that value with button 2.

On 7/2/18 2:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> They do retain independent values, one set of script locals for each 
> instance. For example, if you have two buttons that use the same 
> behavior, button 1 will retain its script local values and button 2 will 
> retain its own (different) set of values.
> 
> On 7/2/18 1:42 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Okay, so apparently I cannot use script local variables in a behavior. 
>> Setting the variables in a handler in a behavior script does not 
>> retain the values when that handler exits, like they do in a normal 
>> object script. Should they?
>>
>> The workaround for me is to simply get the custom property of each 
>> stack (an array in each stack containing all the values I need) and 
>> then reference the array values directly instead of trying to set 
>> script local values. The downside to this is I have to get the array 
>> in every handler in the behavior script. Not a big deal, but I was 
>> trying to be efficient by only having to initialize the values once 
>> upon every openStack.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:05 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all. I nailed this down, and it is indeed as someone surmised, 
>>> that even though the script editor variable watcher indicated that 
>>> script local variables had the correct values, it was showing me the 
>>> BEHAVIOR's script local variable values, and NOT those for the STACK, 
>>> which were in fact still empty (not initialized).
>>>
>>> This is likely going to bite others in the butt in the future, who 
>>> use the same script local variables in their behaviors as they do in 
>>> their parent script. Who knows, maybe I'm going to be the only one in 
>>> the history of LC to try this, but I just thought I'd toss that out 
>>> there, in case anyone else gets obscure bugs where a statement ought 
>>> to work and doesn't.
>>>
>>> Bob S
>>
>>
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jul  2 17:55:38 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:55:38 -0400
Subject: When I assume .....
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLLPHLgKVAoerp6CEQ2qYrk347am6Yi6o+NOVU6uXTbMaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I've been with LC for 5 years now ...I use the send in time format alot
because i want to keep my interface unblocked.

In this code ...


on mouseUp
   local test_array

   put "a" into test_array["1"]
   put "b" into test_array["2"]
   put "c" into test_array["3"]

   send "TestCommand test_array" to me in 0 milliseconds (1)
   TestCommand test_array (2)
end mouseUp

on TestCommand IncomingArray
   answer the keys of IncomingArray &&  IncomingArray["1"]
end TestCommand


I had no idea that both these methods work the same way..... (1), (2)

I always assumed that the send in quotes version would treat the variable
name as a string not as a variable that it is.

I decided to do a test today and sure enough ... the behavior is identical.

I built and optimized many workarounds to this 'problem'

had I only done a simple test ...I would have saved alot of time.

moral of the story ....test...don't assume.


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jul  2 18:10:45 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:10:45 -0700
Subject: When I assume .....
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLLPHLgKVAoerp6CEQ2qYrk347am6Yi6o+NOVU6uXTbMaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLLPHLgKVAoerp6CEQ2qYrk347am6Yi6o+NOVU6uXTbMaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41a6adac-234c-46d4-4fbc-db410b4e85c0@sonic.net>

On 07/02/2018 02:55 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:

> I decided to do a test today and sure enough ... the behavior is identical.

They're not identical. The immediate version will invoke TestCommand 
during the execution of mouseUp. The 'send in time' version will invoke 
TestCommand after the mouseUp handler is done. That's the purpose of 
sending a command in time: even with an interval of 0 milliseconds 
you're delaying the sent action until the current handler has finished.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jul  2 18:21:24 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 18:21:24 -0400
Subject: When I assume .....
In-Reply-To: <41a6adac-234c-46d4-4fbc-db410b4e85c0@sonic.net>
References: <CAPzQJLLPHLgKVAoerp6CEQ2qYrk347am6Yi6o+NOVU6uXTbMaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<41a6adac-234c-46d4-4fbc-db410b4e85c0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKvM6Tqk35v+Gei0v6SGL9u+m==qBuZADBiwwR3eX26dg@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, I meant that the command I am calling is able to receive the array
variable via parameter.... like i said .. i assumed variable name was being
sent as string ..not as variable array and its data.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 6:10 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 07/02/2018 02:55 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>
> I decided to do a test today and sure enough ... the behavior is identical.
>>
>
> They're not identical. The immediate version will invoke TestCommand
> during the execution of mouseUp. The 'send in time' version will invoke
> TestCommand after the mouseUp handler is done. That's the purpose of
> sending a command in time: even with an interval of 0 milliseconds you're
> delaying the sent action until the current handler has finished.
>
> --
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>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  2 19:12:38 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 23:12:38 +0000
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <84A3D3FA-8EA3-4777-BEB9-3B6BB65112C0@iotecdigital.com>

Yes, but I am not talking about the child object's script. That works fine. What doesn't work are script locals in the behavior itself. 

Bob S


> On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:17 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> They do retain independent values, one set of script locals for each instance. For example, if you have two buttons that use the same behavior, button 1 will retain its script local values and button 2 will retain its own (different) set of values.
> 
> On 7/2/18 1:42 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Okay, so apparently I cannot use script local variables in a behavior. Setting the variables in a handler in a behavior script does not retain the values when that handler exits, like they do in a normal object script. Should they?
>> The workaround for me is to simply get the custom property of each stack (an array in each stack containing all the values I need) and then reference the array values directly instead of trying to set script local values. The downside to this is I have to get the array in every handler in the behavior script. Not a big deal, but I was trying to be efficient by only having to initialize the values once upon every openStack.
>> Bob S




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  2 19:16:14 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 23:16:14 +0000
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <3f288eb1-89bc-cb12-ce4b-363ba18b6771@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f288eb1-89bc-cb12-ce4b-363ba18b6771@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B358A1F8-E296-4B4F-BCE5-90DF3915AE24@iotecdigital.com>

oic. Well getting the stacks custom property and referencing that is working for me. It's curious then if you can use the sLocal of this me, could you also use the sLocal of button x or stack y?? That would be very cool! That would mean you could get and set the script locals of another object. 

Bob S


> On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:33 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, do you mean you want to set the script locals for the behavior object itself? You can do that, but it will only apply to that particular control. The magic word is "this me" : "set the sLocal of this me to xxx".
> 
> If you want the script locals of the behavior object to be shared for every other object that uses the behavior, you need global variables. Behaviors act like they are the actual script of an object. Setting a script local for button 1 wouldn't share that value with button 2.
> 
> On 7/2/18 2:17 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> They do retain independent values, one set of script locals for each instance. For example, if you have two buttons that use the same behavior, button 1 will retain its script local values and button 2 will retain its own (different) set of values.
>> On 7/2/18 1:42 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Okay, so apparently I cannot use script local variables in a behavior. Setting the variables in a handler in a behavior script does not retain the values when that handler exits, like they do in a normal object script. Should they?
>>> 
>>> The workaround for me is to simply get the custom property of each stack (an array in each stack containing all the values I need) and then reference the array values directly instead of trying to set script local values. The downside to this is I have to get the array in every handler in the behavior script. Not a big deal, but I was trying to be efficient by only having to initialize the values once upon every openStack.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:05 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. I nailed this down, and it is indeed as someone surmised, that even though the script editor variable watcher indicated that script local variables had the correct values, it was showing me the BEHAVIOR's script local variable values, and NOT those for the STACK, which were in fact still empty (not initialized).
>>>> 
>>>> This is likely going to bite others in the butt in the future, who use the same script local variables in their behaviors as they do in their parent script. Who knows, maybe I'm going to be the only one in the history of LC to try this, but I just thought I'd toss that out there, in case anyone else gets obscure bugs where a statement ought to work and doesn't.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
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From monte at appisle.net  Mon Jul  2 20:02:56 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 10:02:56 +1000
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <B358A1F8-E296-4B4F-BCE5-90DF3915AE24@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f288eb1-89bc-cb12-ce4b-363ba18b6771@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B358A1F8-E296-4B4F-BCE5-90DF3915AE24@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <059A532C-DD92-4116-A8F2-95CA286B6629@appisle.net>



> On 3 Jul 2018, at 9:16 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> That would be very cool! That would mean you could get and set the script locals of another object. 

No it really wouldn?t. It would make them worse than globals? eek.

Cheers

Monte

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jul  2 20:27:19 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 17:27:19 -0700
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <B358A1F8-E296-4B4F-BCE5-90DF3915AE24@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f288eb1-89bc-cb12-ce4b-363ba18b6771@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B358A1F8-E296-4B4F-BCE5-90DF3915AE24@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <c3344c70-b752-ecb3-9623-61416500b0a9@sonic.net>

On 07/02/2018 04:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> oic. Well getting the stacks custom property and referencing that is working for me. It's curious then if you can use the sLocal of this me, could you also use the sLocal of button x or stack y?? That would be very cool! That would mean you could get and set the script locals of another object.

Ick

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 21:04:02 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 19:04:02 -0600
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <c3344c70-b752-ecb3-9623-61416500b0a9@sonic.net>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f288eb1-89bc-cb12-ce4b-363ba18b6771@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B358A1F8-E296-4B4F-BCE5-90DF3915AE24@iotecdigital.com>
	<c3344c70-b752-ecb3-9623-61416500b0a9@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoQyX-q5ebqwVFvu5fLE06PrYKzEeTpOBW-ht252aA41A@mail.gmail.com>

Curious if this would be useful.  It occurred to me that one could use
getters and setters in the behavior if one wanted a "central" location for
data for objects using that behavior.

Not as easy as just using an actual property set, but might end up being
faster?

To test I put the following into a button to use as a behavior..
local sOhBehaveLocalA

on mouseup
   -- sets a value in the local of the behavior object
   -- based on the long id of the object using the behavior
   set the setter[(the long id of me)] of (the behavior of me) to
random(4000)

   -- grabs the whole array from the behavior object
   put the getter of (the behavior of me) into tArray

   -- shows the value assigned to the array entry for the
   -- object using the behavior keyed by long id
   put tArray[the long id of me] & cr

   --cycles through all keys in the array returned by getter
   -- and shows values for all objects tracked by the getter/setter in the
behavior object
   put the keys of tArray into tKeys
   repeat for each line tLine in tKeys
      put tLine & ":" & tArray[tLine] & cr after msg
   end repeat

end mouseup

Then assigned the behavior to several buttons and it works well enough.
LIke I said, i'm not sure there is actually a point to this since there are
so many other ways the same objective could be reached, but thought I'd
toss it out there.  (sorry for the ugly code and silly example) I think I
read somewhere that setting a variable is faster than setting a property,
but.. /shrug

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 6:27 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 07/02/2018 04:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> > oic. Well getting the stacks custom property and referencing that is
> working for me. It's curious then if you can use the sLocal of this me,
> could you also use the sLocal of button x or stack y?? That would be very
> cool! That would mean you could get and set the script locals of another
> object.
>
> Ick
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
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From waprothero at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 23:37:47 2018
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 20:37:47 -0700
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>

Folks:
I?ve been working on a sample stack to demonstrate encryption, best practices (as far as I can determine).
The online lessons are not adequate for a robust solution to this vital security issue. I?ve posted a demo stack at: http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/ <http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/>  This stack has benefited from feedback and ideas from folks on this list. Feedback is welcome.

This stack generates a random iv vector and uses AES-256 encryption to encode an array containing commands for interaction with a mySQL server. The server side php script that decodes the data and encodes the returned response is included.

On thing I am still unsure about is the best way to generate a random string of characters that I use for the random IV (initialization vector) that is used for the encryption. I?ve included some code below, which is used to encrypt and decrypt the data sent and returned from the server. The encode and decode scripts are put into the launcher, or stack that is created when a standalone or mobile version is built.

Here are the handlers. The encryption key will be more secure if it is obfuscated by putting it in as a property of a control or hidden in some way. I am wondering if the generation of the random seed is optimum.

Feedback welcome.

local theRandomSeed

function randomChrs n
   if theRandomSeed = "" then
      setRandomSeed
   end if
   put "" into tChars
   repeat with i=1 to n
      put random(256) into nChar
      put numToNativeChar(nChar) after tChars
   end repeat
   return tChars
end randomChrs

on setRandomSeed
   put (the milliseconds) into tMS
   put trunc(tMs/10000000) into tDiv
   put tMS mod tDiv into theRandomSeed
   set the randomseed to theRandomSeed
end setRandomSeed

function theRandomIV
   if theRandomSeed = "" then
      setRandomSeed
   end if
   put randomChrs(16) into tIVBytes
   return tIVBytes
end theRandomIV

--This handler encodes the data. First it generates a random
--initialization vector (iv), then encrypts the data and puts
--adds iv to the encoded data.
--tArray is an array that controls the action of the php script.
function theEncoded tArray
   put  theRandomIV() into tIV
   put base64Encode(tIV) into tB64IV
   put ArrayToJSON(tArray,"string?,?") into tJson
   put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
   put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
   encrypt tJson using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
   put base64encode(it) into tDataToSend
   --comment out next statement if iv not included in data
   put tB64IV&tDataToSend into tDataToSend
   return tDataToSend
end theEncoded

--This decodes the data that is returned by the php on the
--remote server.
--The iv is expected as the first 24 bytes of the returned data.
function theDecoded tData
   put byte 1 to 24 of tData into tIVB64
   put base64decode(tIVB64) into tIV
   put the number of bytes in tData into n
   put byte 25 to n of tData into tRetB64Data
   put base64decode(tRetB64Data) into tRetData
   put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
   put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
   decrypt tRetData using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
   put it into tReturn
   return tReturn
end theDecoded
-- End of handlers that should be in the main stack



From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul  3 00:57:17 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 23:57:17 -0500
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>

I would suggest using "randombytes" instead of "random" on desktop/server
(according to dictionary is isn't available in mobile, but I have not
actually verified).  That uses the openssl library to generate random
numbers.  The problem with using an IV based on a pseudorandom number
generator seeded from something derived from the time means that it is
potentially predictable.

I was playing around with a function to generate an IV that is guaranteed
to not repeat.  The middle 4 bytes are the seconds, so it reduces the
randomness by 4 bytes.  I'm not sure how much of an issue that would be.
It does avoid the birthday problem (which should not really be an issue
with a good random number generator I would guess).  Maintaining your own
counter would be another option.  Ensuring uniqueness and unpredictability
is the goal.

One other thing that I was reading is that we should also include a (H)MAC
after the encryption to ensure that the payload is not tampered with.  We
would then only decrypt if the message had not been changed (and the IV
would be included in the MAC calculation).

Below is the code that I was experimenting with:

function generateIV pLength
   local tSeconds, tBytes

   put randomBytes(6) into tBytes
   put the seconds into tSeconds
   repeat until tSeconds < 256
      put numToByte(tSeconds mod 256) after tBytes
      put tSeconds div 256 into tSeconds
   end repeat
   put numToByte(tSeconds) after tBytes

   if pLength is empty then put 16 into pLength
   subtract length(tBytes) from pLength
   if pLength < 0 then
      delete byte 1 to (- pLength) of tBytes
   else
      put randomBytes(pLength) after tBytes
   end if
   return tBytes
end generateIV

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:37 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Folks:
> I?ve been working on a sample stack to demonstrate encryption, best
> practices (as far as I can determine).
> The online lessons are not adequate for a robust solution to this vital
> security issue. I?ve posted a demo stack at:
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/ <http://
> earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/>  This stack has
> benefited from feedback and ideas from folks on this list. Feedback is
> welcome.
>
> This stack generates a random iv vector and uses AES-256 encryption to
> encode an array containing commands for interaction with a mySQL server.
> The server side php script that decodes the data and encodes the returned
> response is included.
>
> On thing I am still unsure about is the best way to generate a random
> string of characters that I use for the random IV (initialization vector)
> that is used for the encryption. I?ve included some code below, which is
> used to encrypt and decrypt the data sent and returned from the server. The
> encode and decode scripts are put into the launcher, or stack that is
> created when a standalone or mobile version is built.
>
> Here are the handlers. The encryption key will be more secure if it is
> obfuscated by putting it in as a property of a control or hidden in some
> way. I am wondering if the generation of the random seed is optimum.
>
> Feedback welcome.
>
> local theRandomSeed
>
> function randomChrs n
>    if theRandomSeed = "" then
>       setRandomSeed
>    end if
>    put "" into tChars
>    repeat with i=1 to n
>       put random(256) into nChar
>       put numToNativeChar(nChar) after tChars
>    end repeat
>    return tChars
> end randomChrs
>
> on setRandomSeed
>    put (the milliseconds) into tMS
>    put trunc(tMs/10000000) into tDiv
>    put tMS mod tDiv into theRandomSeed
>    set the randomseed to theRandomSeed
> end setRandomSeed
>
> function theRandomIV
>    if theRandomSeed = "" then
>       setRandomSeed
>    end if
>    put randomChrs(16) into tIVBytes
>    return tIVBytes
> end theRandomIV
>
> --This handler encodes the data. First it generates a random
> --initialization vector (iv), then encrypts the data and puts
> --adds iv to the encoded data.
> --tArray is an array that controls the action of the php script.
> function theEncoded tArray
>    put  theRandomIV() into tIV
>    put base64Encode(tIV) into tB64IV
>    put ArrayToJSON(tArray,"string?,?") into tJson
>    put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
>    put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
>    encrypt tJson using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
>    put base64encode(it) into tDataToSend
>    --comment out next statement if iv not included in data
>    put tB64IV&tDataToSend into tDataToSend
>    return tDataToSend
> end theEncoded
>
> --This decodes the data that is returned by the php on the
> --remote server.
> --The iv is expected as the first 24 bytes of the returned data.
> function theDecoded tData
>    put byte 1 to 24 of tData into tIVB64
>    put base64decode(tIVB64) into tIV
>    put the number of bytes in tData into n
>    put byte 25 to n of tData into tRetB64Data
>    put base64decode(tRetB64Data) into tRetData
>    put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
>    put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
>    decrypt tRetData using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
>    put it into tReturn
>    return tReturn
> end theDecoded
> -- End of handlers that should be in the main stack
>
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul  3 00:57:58 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 00:57:58 -0400
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJxa=o1NuLbpmHPK5MGpc9MLnGHppjcO4AuE4o9E8d7EA@mail.gmail.com>

i will be looking at this thank you William.

On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:37 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Folks:
> I?ve been working on a sample stack to demonstrate encryption, best
> practices (as far as I can determine).
> The online lessons are not adequate for a robust solution to this vital
> security issue. I?ve posted a demo stack at:
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/ <http://
> earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/>  This stack has
> benefited from feedback and ideas from folks on this list. Feedback is
> welcome.
>
> This stack generates a random iv vector and uses AES-256 encryption to
> encode an array containing commands for interaction with a mySQL server.
> The server side php script that decodes the data and encodes the returned
> response is included.
>
> On thing I am still unsure about is the best way to generate a random
> string of characters that I use for the random IV (initialization vector)
> that is used for the encryption. I?ve included some code below, which is
> used to encrypt and decrypt the data sent and returned from the server. The
> encode and decode scripts are put into the launcher, or stack that is
> created when a standalone or mobile version is built.
>
> Here are the handlers. The encryption key will be more secure if it is
> obfuscated by putting it in as a property of a control or hidden in some
> way. I am wondering if the generation of the random seed is optimum.
>
> Feedback welcome.
>
> local theRandomSeed
>
> function randomChrs n
>    if theRandomSeed = "" then
>       setRandomSeed
>    end if
>    put "" into tChars
>    repeat with i=1 to n
>       put random(256) into nChar
>       put numToNativeChar(nChar) after tChars
>    end repeat
>    return tChars
> end randomChrs
>
> on setRandomSeed
>    put (the milliseconds) into tMS
>    put trunc(tMs/10000000) into tDiv
>    put tMS mod tDiv into theRandomSeed
>    set the randomseed to theRandomSeed
> end setRandomSeed
>
> function theRandomIV
>    if theRandomSeed = "" then
>       setRandomSeed
>    end if
>    put randomChrs(16) into tIVBytes
>    return tIVBytes
> end theRandomIV
>
> --This handler encodes the data. First it generates a random
> --initialization vector (iv), then encrypts the data and puts
> --adds iv to the encoded data.
> --tArray is an array that controls the action of the php script.
> function theEncoded tArray
>    put  theRandomIV() into tIV
>    put base64Encode(tIV) into tB64IV
>    put ArrayToJSON(tArray,"string?,?") into tJson
>    put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
>    put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
>    encrypt tJson using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
>    put base64encode(it) into tDataToSend
>    --comment out next statement if iv not included in data
>    put tB64IV&tDataToSend into tDataToSend
>    return tDataToSend
> end theEncoded
>
> --This decodes the data that is returned by the php on the
> --remote server.
> --The iv is expected as the first 24 bytes of the returned data.
> function theDecoded tData
>    put byte 1 to 24 of tData into tIVB64
>    put base64decode(tIVB64) into tIV
>    put the number of bytes in tData into n
>    put byte 25 to n of tData into tRetB64Data
>    put base64decode(tRetB64Data) into tRetData
>    put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
>    put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
>    decrypt tRetData using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
>    put it into tReturn
>    return tReturn
> end theDecoded
> -- End of handlers that should be in the main stack
>
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From waprothero at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 01:56:54 2018
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 22:56:54 -0700
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>

Brian, thanks for the feedback.

I started by using random bytes, which was ok, but the php base64encode would only encode characters. So, I couldn?t get the return message to decode in LC correctly. I forget, it could have been the LC decode step, but the upshot was that I decided to go with valid ascii characters for iv because of this.

I don?t understand the problem with using the milliseconds to generate the random seed, though. The least significant digits of the milliseconds only depends on the random time the user first initiates the query. I assumed the milliseconds counts up to some maximum integer number, then repeats. Hmm, maybe I need to investigate how the counting goes. I had assumed it was just an integer number that counted until it overflowed, then started again from zero. I can investigate this.

What would the H(MAC) consist of? I haven?t heard of it.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 2, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest using "randombytes" instead of "random" on desktop/server (according to dictionary is isn't available in mobile, but I have not actually verified).  That uses the openssl library to generate random numbers.  The problem with using an IV based on a pseudorandom number generator seeded from something derived from the time means that it is potentially predictable.
> 
> I was playing around with a function to generate an IV that is guaranteed to not repeat.  The middle 4 bytes are the seconds, so it reduces the randomness by 4 bytes.  I'm not sure how much of an issue that would be.  It does avoid the birthday problem (which should not really be an issue with a good random number generator I would guess).  Maintaining your own counter would be another option.  Ensuring uniqueness and unpredictability is the goal.
> 
> One other thing that I was reading is that we should also include a (H)MAC after the encryption to ensure that the payload is not tampered with.  We would then only decrypt if the message had not been changed (and the IV would be included in the MAC calculation).
> 
> Below is the code that I was experimenting with:
> 
> function generateIV pLength
>    local tSeconds, tBytes
>    
>    put randomBytes(6) into tBytes
>    put the seconds into tSeconds
>    repeat until tSeconds < 256
>       put numToByte(tSeconds mod 256) after tBytes
>       put tSeconds div 256 into tSeconds
>    end repeat
>    put numToByte(tSeconds) after tBytes
>    
>    if pLength is empty then put 16 into pLength
>    subtract length(tBytes) from pLength
>    if pLength < 0 then
>       delete byte 1 to (- pLength) of tBytes
>    else
>       put randomBytes(pLength) after tBytes
>    end if
>    return tBytes
> end generateIV
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:37 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Folks:
>> I?ve been working on a sample stack to demonstrate encryption, best practices (as far as I can determine).
>> The online lessons are not adequate for a robust solution to this vital security issue. I?ve posted a demo stack at: http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/ <http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/>  This stack has benefited from feedback and ideas from folks on this list. Feedback is welcome.
>> 
>> This stack generates a random iv vector and uses AES-256 encryption to encode an array containing commands for interaction with a mySQL server. The server side php script that decodes the data and encodes the returned response is included.
>> 
>> On thing I am still unsure about is the best way to generate a random string of characters that I use for the random IV (initialization vector) that is used for the encryption. I?ve included some code below, which is used to encrypt and decrypt the data sent and returned from the server. The encode and decode scripts are put into the launcher, or stack that is created when a standalone or mobile version is built.
>> 
>> Here are the handlers. The encryption key will be more secure if it is obfuscated by putting it in as a property of a control or hidden in some way. I am wondering if the generation of the random seed is optimum.
>> 
>> Feedback welcome.
>> 
>> local theRandomSeed
>> 
>> function randomChrs n
>>    if theRandomSeed = "" then
>>       setRandomSeed
>>    end if
>>    put "" into tChars
>>    repeat with i=1 to n
>>       put random(256) into nChar
>>       put numToNativeChar(nChar) after tChars
>>    end repeat
>>    return tChars
>> end randomChrs
>> 
>> on setRandomSeed
>>    put (the milliseconds) into tMS
>>    put trunc(tMs/10000000) into tDiv
>>    put tMS mod tDiv into theRandomSeed
>>    set the randomseed to theRandomSeed
>> end setRandomSeed
>> 
>> function theRandomIV
>>    if theRandomSeed = "" then
>>       setRandomSeed
>>    end if
>>    put randomChrs(16) into tIVBytes
>>    return tIVBytes
>> end theRandomIV
>> 
>> --This handler encodes the data. First it generates a random
>> --initialization vector (iv), then encrypts the data and puts
>> --adds iv to the encoded data.
>> --tArray is an array that controls the action of the php script.
>> function theEncoded tArray
>>    put  theRandomIV() into tIV
>>    put base64Encode(tIV) into tB64IV
>>    put ArrayToJSON(tArray,"string?,?") into tJson
>>    put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
>>    put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
>>    encrypt tJson using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
>>    put base64encode(it) into tDataToSend
>>    --comment out next statement if iv not included in data
>>    put tB64IV&tDataToSend into tDataToSend
>>    return tDataToSend
>> end theEncoded
>> 
>> --This decodes the data that is returned by the php on the
>> --remote server.
>> --The iv is expected as the first 24 bytes of the returned data.
>> function theDecoded tData
>>    put byte 1 to 24 of tData into tIVB64
>>    put base64decode(tIVB64) into tIV
>>    put the number of bytes in tData into n
>>    put byte 25 to n of tData into tRetB64Data
>>    put base64decode(tRetB64Data) into tRetData
>>    put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
>>    put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
>>    decrypt tRetData using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
>>    put it into tReturn
>>    return tReturn
>> end theDecoded
>> -- End of handlers that should be in the main stack
>> 
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From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Tue Jul  3 02:08:36 2018
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 23:08:36 -0700
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
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I found a reference to the HMAC encryption. I?m thinking that the use of a random iv guards against the kind of attack it was designed to avoid. I?m thinking AES is more modern, making HMAC less useful.

I may be wrong, but it?s worth looking into, I think.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 2, 2018, at 10:56 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Brian, thanks for the feedback.
> 
> I started by using random bytes, which was ok, but the php base64encode would only encode characters. So, I couldn?t get the return message to decode in LC correctly. I forget, it could have been the LC decode step, but the upshot was that I decided to go with valid ascii characters for iv because of this.
> 
> I don?t understand the problem with using the milliseconds to generate the random seed, though. The least significant digits of the milliseconds only depends on the random time the user first initiates the query. I assumed the milliseconds counts up to some maximum integer number, then repeats. Hmm, maybe I need to investigate how the counting goes. I had assumed it was just an integer number that counted until it overflowed, then started again from zero. I can investigate this.
> 
> What would the H(MAC) consist of? I haven?t heard of it.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> 
>> On Jul 2, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I would suggest using "randombytes" instead of "random" on desktop/server (according to dictionary is isn't available in mobile, but I have not actually verified).  That uses the openssl library to generate random numbers.  The problem with using an IV based on a pseudorandom number generator seeded from something derived from the time means that it is potentially predictable.
>> 
>> I was playing around with a function to generate an IV that is guaranteed to not repeat.  The middle 4 bytes are the seconds, so it reduces the randomness by 4 bytes.  I'm not sure how much of an issue that would be.  It does avoid the birthday problem (which should not really be an issue with a good random number generator I would guess).  Maintaining your own counter would be another option.  Ensuring uniqueness and unpredictability is the goal.
>> 
>> One other thing that I was reading is that we should also include a (H)MAC after the encryption to ensure that the payload is not tampered with.  We would then only decrypt if the message had not been changed (and the IV would be included in the MAC calculation).
>> 
>> Below is the code that I was experimenting with:
>> 
>> function generateIV pLength
>>   local tSeconds, tBytes
>> 
>>   put randomBytes(6) into tBytes
>>   put the seconds into tSeconds
>>   repeat until tSeconds < 256
>>      put numToByte(tSeconds mod 256) after tBytes
>>      put tSeconds div 256 into tSeconds
>>   end repeat
>>   put numToByte(tSeconds) after tBytes
>> 
>>   if pLength is empty then put 16 into pLength
>>   subtract length(tBytes) from pLength
>>   if pLength < 0 then
>>      delete byte 1 to (- pLength) of tBytes
>>   else
>>      put randomBytes(pLength) after tBytes
>>   end if
>>   return tBytes
>> end generateIV
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:37 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Folks:
>>> I?ve been working on a sample stack to demonstrate encryption, best practices (as far as I can determine).
>>> The online lessons are not adequate for a robust solution to this vital security issue. I?ve posted a demo stack at: http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/ <http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/>  This stack has benefited from feedback and ideas from folks on this list. Feedback is welcome.
>>> 
>>> This stack generates a random iv vector and uses AES-256 encryption to encode an array containing commands for interaction with a mySQL server. The server side php script that decodes the data and encodes the returned response is included.
>>> 
>>> On thing I am still unsure about is the best way to generate a random string of characters that I use for the random IV (initialization vector) that is used for the encryption. I?ve included some code below, which is used to encrypt and decrypt the data sent and returned from the server. The encode and decode scripts are put into the launcher, or stack that is created when a standalone or mobile version is built.
>>> 
>>> Here are the handlers. The encryption key will be more secure if it is obfuscated by putting it in as a property of a control or hidden in some way. I am wondering if the generation of the random seed is optimum.
>>> 
>>> Feedback welcome.
>>> 
>>> local theRandomSeed
>>> 
>>> function randomChrs n
>>>   if theRandomSeed = "" then
>>>      setRandomSeed
>>>   end if
>>>   put "" into tChars
>>>   repeat with i=1 to n
>>>      put random(256) into nChar
>>>      put numToNativeChar(nChar) after tChars
>>>   end repeat
>>>   return tChars
>>> end randomChrs
>>> 
>>> on setRandomSeed
>>>   put (the milliseconds) into tMS
>>>   put trunc(tMs/10000000) into tDiv
>>>   put tMS mod tDiv into theRandomSeed
>>>   set the randomseed to theRandomSeed
>>> end setRandomSeed
>>> 
>>> function theRandomIV
>>>   if theRandomSeed = "" then
>>>      setRandomSeed
>>>   end if
>>>   put randomChrs(16) into tIVBytes
>>>   return tIVBytes
>>> end theRandomIV
>>> 
>>> --This handler encodes the data. First it generates a random
>>> --initialization vector (iv), then encrypts the data and puts
>>> --adds iv to the encoded data.
>>> --tArray is an array that controls the action of the php script.
>>> function theEncoded tArray
>>>   put  theRandomIV() into tIV
>>>   put base64Encode(tIV) into tB64IV
>>>   put ArrayToJSON(tArray,"string?,?") into tJson
>>>   put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
>>>   put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
>>>   encrypt tJson using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
>>>   put base64encode(it) into tDataToSend
>>>   --comment out next statement if iv not included in data
>>>   put tB64IV&tDataToSend into tDataToSend
>>>   return tDataToSend
>>> end theEncoded
>>> 
>>> --This decodes the data that is returned by the php on the
>>> --remote server.
>>> --The iv is expected as the first 24 bytes of the returned data.
>>> function theDecoded tData
>>>   put byte 1 to 24 of tData into tIVB64
>>>   put base64decode(tIVB64) into tIV
>>>   put the number of bytes in tData into n
>>>   put byte 25 to n of tData into tRetB64Data
>>>   put base64decode(tRetB64Data) into tRetData
>>>   put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
>>>   put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
>>>   decrypt tRetData using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
>>>   put it into tReturn
>>>   return tReturn
>>> end theDecoded
>>> -- End of handlers that should be in the main stack
>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul  3 10:52:32 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:52:32 +0000
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <059A532C-DD92-4116-A8F2-95CA286B6629@appisle.net>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f288eb1-89bc-cb12-ce4b-363ba18b6771@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B358A1F8-E296-4B4F-BCE5-90DF3915AE24@iotecdigital.com>
	<059A532C-DD92-4116-A8F2-95CA286B6629@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <7C9CE302-2D41-434D-9AD0-D4B8D51BEF21@iotecdigital.com>

Not if you had to reference them the way Jacque says you can reference a behavior's script locals ie. the sLocal of THIS ME. I have a lot of objects (my SearchBar is a good example) where I store information in scrip locals (the old dgData and hilited record of a datagrid before performing a hot search so I can revert if canceled for instance) and it would be convenient to be able to reference them from another object sometimes. Of course I can use properties. 

Bob S


> On Jul 2, 2018, at 17:02 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 3 Jul 2018, at 9:16 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That would be very cool! That would mean you could get and set the script locals of another object. 
> 
> No it really wouldn?t. It would make them worse than globals? eek.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte


From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul  3 11:05:17 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 11:05:17 -0400
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <7C9CE302-2D41-434D-9AD0-D4B8D51BEF21@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f288eb1-89bc-cb12-ce4b-363ba18b6771@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B358A1F8-E296-4B4F-BCE5-90DF3915AE24@iotecdigital.com>
	<059A532C-DD92-4116-A8F2-95CA286B6629@appisle.net>
	<7C9CE302-2D41-434D-9AD0-D4B8D51BEF21@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <e05244b7-631c-4d41-b8ff-3bf8ba7b86ea@Spark>

Can?t we already do that with a custom getprop/setprop?
On Jul 3, 2018, 10:53 AM -0400, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> Not if you had to reference them the way Jacque says you can reference a behavior's script locals ie. the sLocal of THIS ME. I have a lot of objects (my SearchBar is a good example) where I store information in scrip locals (the old dgData and hilited record of a datagrid before performing a hot search so I can revert if canceled for instance) and it would be convenient to be able to reference them from another object sometimes. Of course I can use properties.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 2018, at 17:02 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 3 Jul 2018, at 9:16 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > That would be very cool! That would mean you could get and set the script locals of another object.
> >
> > No it really wouldn?t. It would make them worse than globals? eek.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Monte
>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 12:02:40 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 17:02:40 +0100
Subject: Deploying to Android from Linux
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_hYooYf+SCevY61Dy3u7pL1bg+7-RYOTjQHxq-J2Cspg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello folks,

Spent some time on this today, so I post it here in case anyone sees the
same problem:

I wanted to deploy to my Android device from Linux. My device was shown as
"Android ???????" in the "Test Target" menu. I ignored this and chose it
and clicked Test.

The S/B was stuck to the "Installing app to device" dialog.

I used "adb logcat" in the terminal and instead of seeing the log from my
device there was just a "Insufficient permissions" message.

I tried several suggestions from the web, including killing and restarting
the adb server with sudo, but this did not work.

What finally worked was:

1. disable USB debugging in the device
2. Choose to use the device for "File Transfers" <?? THIS IS THE CRUCIAL
STEP
3. enable USB debugging again

Before that, I had tried steps 1+3 only, which did not fix the problem.

After doing all steps 1-3, my device was correctly shown in the Test Target
menu ("Android FA034GT5654376" instead of "Android ????????"), the adb
logcat command was showing logs from my device and I was able to install
the app in the device.

Cheers,
Panos
--


From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul  3 12:31:46 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 12:31:46 -0400
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>

I just put the PHP on my server and it was able to handle the randombytes IV without issue.

The demo does not generate a new IV for the returned data which it really should in production.

From a security perspective, you assume that an attacker has access to the code. From the encrypted message, an attacker could figure out your next IV.
On Jul 3, 2018, 1:56 AM -0400, William Prothero <waprothero at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Brian, thanks for the feedback.
>
> I started by using random bytes, which was ok, but the php base64encode would only encode characters. So, I couldn?t get the return message to decode in LC correctly. I forget, it could have been the LC decode step, but the upshot was that I decided to go with valid ascii characters for iv because of this.
>
> I don?t understand the problem with using the milliseconds to generate the random seed, though. The least significant digits of the milliseconds only depends on the random time the user first initiates the query. I assumed the milliseconds counts up to some maximum integer number, then repeats. Hmm, maybe I need to investigate how the counting goes. I had assumed it was just an integer number that counted until it overflowed, then started again from zero. I can investigate this.
>
> What would the H(MAC) consist of? I haven?t heard of it.
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> On Jul 2, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
>
> > I would suggest using "randombytes" instead of "random" on desktop/server (according to dictionary is isn't available in mobile, but I have not actually verified).? That uses the openssl library to generate random numbers.? The problem with using an IV based on a pseudorandom number generator seeded from something derived from the time means that it is potentially predictable.
> >
> > I was playing around with a function to generate an IV that is guaranteed to not repeat.? The middle 4 bytes are the seconds, so it reduces the randomness by 4 bytes.? I'm not sure how much of an issue that would be.? It does avoid the birthday problem (which should not really be an issue with a good random number generator I would guess).? Maintaining your own counter would be another option.? Ensuring uniqueness and unpredictability is the goal.
> >
> > One other thing that I was reading is that we should also include a (H)MAC after the encryption to ensure that the payload is not tampered with.? We would then only decrypt if the message had not been changed (and the IV would be included in the MAC calculation).
> >
> > Below is the code that I was experimenting with:
> >
> > function generateIV pLength
> > ? ?local tSeconds, tBytes
> >
> > ? ?put randomBytes(6) into tBytes
> > ? ?put the seconds into tSeconds
> > ? ?repeat until tSeconds < 256
> > ? ? ? put numToByte(tSeconds mod 256) after tBytes
> > ? ? ? put tSeconds div 256 into tSeconds
> > ? ?end repeat
> > ? ?put numToByte(tSeconds) after tBytes
> >
> > ? ?if pLength is empty then put 16 into pLength
> > ? ?subtract length(tBytes) from pLength
> > ? ?if pLength < 0 then
> > ? ? ? delete byte 1 to (- pLength) of tBytes
> > ? ?else
> > ? ? ? put randomBytes(pLength) after tBytes
> > ? ?end if
> > ? ?return tBytes
> > end generateIV
> >
> > > On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:37 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > Folks:
> > > > I?ve been working on a sample stack to demonstrate encryption, best practices (as far as I can determine).
> > > > The online lessons are not adequate for a robust solution to this vital security issue. I?ve posted a demo stack at: http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/ <http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/>? This stack has benefited from feedback and ideas from folks on this list. Feedback is welcome.
> > > >
> > > > This stack generates a random iv vector and uses AES-256 encryption to encode an array containing commands for interaction with a mySQL server. The server side php script that decodes the data and encodes the returned response is included.
> > > >
> > > > On thing I am still unsure about is the best way to generate a random string of characters that I use for the random IV (initialization vector) that is used for the encryption. I?ve included some code below, which is used to encrypt and decrypt the data sent and returned from the server. The encode and decode scripts are put into the launcher, or stack that is created when a standalone or mobile version is built.
> > > >
> > > > Here are the handlers. The encryption key will be more secure if it is obfuscated by putting it in as a property of a control or hidden in some way. I am wondering if the generation of the random seed is optimum.
> > > >
> > > > Feedback welcome.
> > > >
> > > > local theRandomSeed
> > > >
> > > > function randomChrs n
> > > > ? ?if theRandomSeed = "" then
> > > > ? ? ? setRandomSeed
> > > > ? ?end if
> > > > ? ?put "" into tChars
> > > > ? ?repeat with i=1 to n
> > > > ? ? ? put random(256) into nChar
> > > > ? ? ? put numToNativeChar(nChar) after tChars
> > > > ? ?end repeat
> > > > ? ?return tChars
> > > > end randomChrs
> > > >
> > > > on setRandomSeed
> > > > ? ?put (the milliseconds) into tMS
> > > > ? ?put trunc(tMs/10000000) into tDiv
> > > > ? ?put tMS mod tDiv into theRandomSeed
> > > > ? ?set the randomseed to theRandomSeed
> > > > end setRandomSeed
> > > >
> > > > function theRandomIV
> > > > ? ?if theRandomSeed = "" then
> > > > ? ? ? setRandomSeed
> > > > ? ?end if
> > > > ? ?put randomChrs(16) into tIVBytes
> > > > ? ?return tIVBytes
> > > > end theRandomIV
> > > >
> > > > --This handler encodes the data. First it generates a random
> > > > --initialization vector (iv), then encrypts the data and puts
> > > > --adds iv to the encoded data.
> > > > --tArray is an array that controls the action of the php script.
> > > > function theEncoded tArray
> > > > ? ?put? theRandomIV() into tIV
> > > > ? ?put base64Encode(tIV) into tB64IV
> > > > ? ?put ArrayToJSON(tArray,"string?,?") into tJson
> > > > ? ?put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
> > > > ? ?put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
> > > > ? ?encrypt tJson using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
> > > > ? ?put base64encode(it) into tDataToSend
> > > > ? ?--comment out next statement if iv not included in data
> > > > ? ?put tB64IV&tDataToSend into tDataToSend
> > > > ? ?return tDataToSend
> > > > end theEncoded
> > > >
> > > > --This decodes the data that is returned by the php on the
> > > > --remote server.
> > > > --The iv is expected as the first 24 bytes of the returned data.
> > > > function theDecoded tData
> > > > ? ?put byte 1 to 24 of tData into tIVB64
> > > > ? ?put base64decode(tIVB64) into tIV
> > > > ? ?put the number of bytes in tData into n
> > > > ? ?put byte 25 to n of tData into tRetB64Data
> > > > ? ?put base64decode(tRetB64Data) into tRetData
> > > > ? ?put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
> > > > ? ?put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
> > > > ? ?decrypt tRetData using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
> > > > ? ?put it into tReturn
> > > > ? ?return tReturn
> > > > end theDecoded
> > > > -- End of handlers that should be in the main stack
> > > >
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Jul  3 13:23:52 2018
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 13:23:52 -0400
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <078FE029-A82F-40A3-AF2D-82793FF3C429@all-auctions.com>

Hi Brian,

I think it would be pretty hard to do based on the time.
One would have to do the calculation in advance and
hope that the program caught the server at exactly
the correct millisecond.  As you also pointed out the
hacker would also have to have access to the code.

If you generate your own random seed with a counter
it should not count by 1?s.  The step count ideally should
be random as well.

Good discussion!

Thanks,

Rick


> On Jul 3, 2018, at 12:57 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The problem with using an IV based on a pseudorandom number
> generator seeded from something derived from the time means that it is
> potentially predictable.



From waprothero at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 14:02:43 2018
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 11:02:43 -0700
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
	<2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
Message-ID: <EE1BE090-3860-4B4C-8ACC-EF4FF87A4734@gmail.com>

Brian,
Good suggestion.

Easy-peasy. Php has a nice function to generate random iv vectors, so I?ll put it in.  Thanks for the suggestion!

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> 
> I just put the PHP on my server and it was able to handle the randombytes IV without issue.
> 
> The demo does not generate a new IV for the returned data which it really should in production.
> 
> From a security perspective, you assume that an attacker has access to the code. From the encrypted message, an attacker could figure out your next IV.
>> On Jul 3, 2018, 1:56 AM -0400, William Prothero <waprothero at gmail.com>, wrote:
>> Brian, thanks for the feedback.
>> 
>> I started by using random bytes, which was ok, but the php base64encode would only encode characters. So, I couldn?t get the return message to decode in LC correctly. I forget, it could have been the LC decode step, but the upshot was that I decided to go with valid ascii characters for iv because of this.
>> 
>> I don?t understand the problem with using the milliseconds to generate the random seed, though. The least significant digits of the milliseconds only depends on the random time the user first initiates the query. I assumed the milliseconds counts up to some maximum integer number, then repeats. Hmm, maybe I need to investigate how the counting goes. I had assumed it was just an integer number that counted until it overflowed, then started again from zero. I can investigate this.
>> 
>> What would the H(MAC) consist of? I haven?t heard of it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I would suggest using "randombytes" instead of "random" on desktop/server (according to dictionary is isn't available in mobile, but I have not actually verified).  That uses the openssl library to generate random numbers.  The problem with using an IV based on a pseudorandom number generator seeded from something derived from the time means that it is potentially predictable.
>>> 
>>> I was playing around with a function to generate an IV that is guaranteed to not repeat.  The middle 4 bytes are the seconds, so it reduces the randomness by 4 bytes.  I'm not sure how much of an issue that would be.  It does avoid the birthday problem (which should not really be an issue with a good random number generator I would guess).  Maintaining your own counter would be another option.  Ensuring uniqueness and unpredictability is the goal.
>>> 
>>> One other thing that I was reading is that we should also include a (H)MAC after the encryption to ensure that the payload is not tampered with.  We would then only decrypt if the message had not been changed (and the IV would be included in the MAC calculation).
>>> 
>>> Below is the code that I was experimenting with:
>>> 
>>> function generateIV pLength
>>>    local tSeconds, tBytes
>>>    
>>>    put randomBytes(6) into tBytes
>>>    put the seconds into tSeconds
>>>    repeat until tSeconds < 256
>>>       put numToByte(tSeconds mod 256) after tBytes
>>>       put tSeconds div 256 into tSeconds
>>>    end repeat
>>>    put numToByte(tSeconds) after tBytes
>>>    
>>>    if pLength is empty then put 16 into pLength
>>>    subtract length(tBytes) from pLength
>>>    if pLength < 0 then
>>>       delete byte 1 to (- pLength) of tBytes
>>>    else
>>>       put randomBytes(pLength) after tBytes
>>>    end if
>>>    return tBytes
>>> end generateIV
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:37 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> Folks:
>>>> I?ve been working on a sample stack to demonstrate encryption, best practices (as far as I can determine).
>>>> The online lessons are not adequate for a robust solution to this vital security issue. I?ve posted a demo stack at: http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/ <http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/>  This stack has benefited from feedback and ideas from folks on this list. Feedback is welcome.
>>>> 
>>>> This stack generates a random iv vector and uses AES-256 encryption to encode an array containing commands for interaction with a mySQL server. The server side php script that decodes the data and encodes the returned response is included.
>>>> 
>>>> On thing I am still unsure about is the best way to generate a random string of characters that I use for the random IV (initialization vector) that is used for the encryption. I?ve included some code below, which is used to encrypt and decrypt the data sent and returned from the server. The encode and decode scripts are put into the launcher, or stack that is created when a standalone or mobile version is built.
>>>> 
>>>> Here are the handlers. The encryption key will be more secure if it is obfuscated by putting it in as a property of a control or hidden in some way. I am wondering if the generation of the random seed is optimum.
>>>> 
>>>> Feedback welcome.
>>>> 
>>>> local theRandomSeed
>>>> 
>>>> function randomChrs n
>>>>    if theRandomSeed = "" then
>>>>       setRandomSeed
>>>>    end if
>>>>    put "" into tChars
>>>>    repeat with i=1 to n
>>>>       put random(256) into nChar
>>>>       put numToNativeChar(nChar) after tChars
>>>>    end repeat
>>>>    return tChars
>>>> end randomChrs
>>>> 
>>>> on setRandomSeed
>>>>    put (the milliseconds) into tMS
>>>>    put trunc(tMs/10000000) into tDiv
>>>>    put tMS mod tDiv into theRandomSeed
>>>>    set the randomseed to theRandomSeed
>>>> end setRandomSeed
>>>> 
>>>> function theRandomIV
>>>>    if theRandomSeed = "" then
>>>>       setRandomSeed
>>>>    end if
>>>>    put randomChrs(16) into tIVBytes
>>>>    return tIVBytes
>>>> end theRandomIV
>>>> 
>>>> --This handler encodes the data. First it generates a random
>>>> --initialization vector (iv), then encrypts the data and puts
>>>> --adds iv to the encoded data.
>>>> --tArray is an array that controls the action of the php script.
>>>> function theEncoded tArray
>>>>    put  theRandomIV() into tIV
>>>>    put base64Encode(tIV) into tB64IV
>>>>    put ArrayToJSON(tArray,"string?,?") into tJson
>>>>    put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
>>>>    put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
>>>>    encrypt tJson using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
>>>>    put base64encode(it) into tDataToSend
>>>>    --comment out next statement if iv not included in data
>>>>    put tB64IV&tDataToSend into tDataToSend
>>>>    return tDataToSend
>>>> end theEncoded
>>>> 
>>>> --This decodes the data that is returned by the php on the
>>>> --remote server.
>>>> --The iv is expected as the first 24 bytes of the returned data.
>>>> function theDecoded tData
>>>>    put byte 1 to 24 of tData into tIVB64
>>>>    put base64decode(tIVB64) into tIV
>>>>    put the number of bytes in tData into n
>>>>    put byte 25 to n of tData into tRetB64Data
>>>>    put base64decode(tRetB64Data) into tRetData
>>>>    put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
>>>>    put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
>>>>    decrypt tRetData using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
>>>>    put it into tReturn
>>>>    return tReturn
>>>> end theDecoded
>>>> -- End of handlers that should be in the main stack
>>>> 
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul  3 14:17:05 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:17:05 -0400
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <EE1BE090-3860-4B4C-8ACC-EF4FF87A4734@gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
	<2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
	<EE1BE090-3860-4B4C-8ACC-EF4FF87A4734@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJGnAC=m=mhTCfwMN2PJjvkWfgV6x0arv-TF4SdKpSXdA@mail.gmail.com>

any chance this could go on github?

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:02 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Brian,
> Good suggestion.
>
> Easy-peasy. Php has a nice function to generate random iv vectors, so I?ll
> put it in.  Thanks for the suggestion!
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> >
> > I just put the PHP on my server and it was able to handle the
> randombytes IV without issue.
> >
> > The demo does not generate a new IV for the returned data which it
> really should in production.
> >
> > From a security perspective, you assume that an attacker has access to
> the code. From the encrypted message, an attacker could figure out your
> next IV.
> >> On Jul 3, 2018, 1:56 AM -0400, William Prothero <waprothero at gmail.com>,
> wrote:
> >> Brian, thanks for the feedback.
> >>
> >> I started by using random bytes, which was ok, but the php base64encode
> would only encode characters. So, I couldn?t get the return message to
> decode in LC correctly. I forget, it could have been the LC decode step,
> but the upshot was that I decided to go with valid ascii characters for iv
> because of this.
> >>
> >> I don?t understand the problem with using the milliseconds to generate
> the random seed, though. The least significant digits of the milliseconds
> only depends on the random time the user first initiates the query. I
> assumed the milliseconds counts up to some maximum integer number, then
> repeats. Hmm, maybe I need to investigate how the counting goes. I had
> assumed it was just an integer number that counted until it overflowed,
> then started again from zero. I can investigate this.
> >>
> >> What would the H(MAC) consist of? I haven?t heard of it.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> William Prothero
> >> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> >>
> >> On Jul 2, 2018, at 9:57 PM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I would suggest using "randombytes" instead of "random" on
> desktop/server (according to dictionary is isn't available in mobile, but I
> have not actually verified).  That uses the openssl library to generate
> random numbers.  The problem with using an IV based on a pseudorandom
> number generator seeded from something derived from the time means that it
> is potentially predictable.
> >>>
> >>> I was playing around with a function to generate an IV that is
> guaranteed to not repeat.  The middle 4 bytes are the seconds, so it
> reduces the randomness by 4 bytes.  I'm not sure how much of an issue that
> would be.  It does avoid the birthday problem (which should not really be
> an issue with a good random number generator I would guess).  Maintaining
> your own counter would be another option.  Ensuring uniqueness and
> unpredictability is the goal.
> >>>
> >>> One other thing that I was reading is that we should also include a
> (H)MAC after the encryption to ensure that the payload is not tampered
> with.  We would then only decrypt if the message had not been changed (and
> the IV would be included in the MAC calculation).
> >>>
> >>> Below is the code that I was experimenting with:
> >>>
> >>> function generateIV pLength
> >>>    local tSeconds, tBytes
> >>>
> >>>    put randomBytes(6) into tBytes
> >>>    put the seconds into tSeconds
> >>>    repeat until tSeconds < 256
> >>>       put numToByte(tSeconds mod 256) after tBytes
> >>>       put tSeconds div 256 into tSeconds
> >>>    end repeat
> >>>    put numToByte(tSeconds) after tBytes
> >>>
> >>>    if pLength is empty then put 16 into pLength
> >>>    subtract length(tBytes) from pLength
> >>>    if pLength < 0 then
> >>>       delete byte 1 to (- pLength) of tBytes
> >>>    else
> >>>       put randomBytes(pLength) after tBytes
> >>>    end if
> >>>    return tBytes
> >>> end generateIV
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 10:37 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>> Folks:
> >>>> I?ve been working on a sample stack to demonstrate encryption, best
> practices (as far as I can determine).
> >>>> The online lessons are not adequate for a robust solution to this
> vital security issue. I?ve posted a demo stack at:
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/ <http://
> earthlearningsolutions.org/google-static-maps-demo/>  This stack has
> benefited from feedback and ideas from folks on this list. Feedback is
> welcome.
> >>>>
> >>>> This stack generates a random iv vector and uses AES-256 encryption
> to encode an array containing commands for interaction with a mySQL server.
> The server side php script that decodes the data and encodes the returned
> response is included.
> >>>>
> >>>> On thing I am still unsure about is the best way to generate a random
> string of characters that I use for the random IV (initialization vector)
> that is used for the encryption. I?ve included some code below, which is
> used to encrypt and decrypt the data sent and returned from the server. The
> encode and decode scripts are put into the launcher, or stack that is
> created when a standalone or mobile version is built.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here are the handlers. The encryption key will be more secure if it
> is obfuscated by putting it in as a property of a control or hidden in some
> way. I am wondering if the generation of the random seed is optimum.
> >>>>
> >>>> Feedback welcome.
> >>>>
> >>>> local theRandomSeed
> >>>>
> >>>> function randomChrs n
> >>>>    if theRandomSeed = "" then
> >>>>       setRandomSeed
> >>>>    end if
> >>>>    put "" into tChars
> >>>>    repeat with i=1 to n
> >>>>       put random(256) into nChar
> >>>>       put numToNativeChar(nChar) after tChars
> >>>>    end repeat
> >>>>    return tChars
> >>>> end randomChrs
> >>>>
> >>>> on setRandomSeed
> >>>>    put (the milliseconds) into tMS
> >>>>    put trunc(tMs/10000000) into tDiv
> >>>>    put tMS mod tDiv into theRandomSeed
> >>>>    set the randomseed to theRandomSeed
> >>>> end setRandomSeed
> >>>>
> >>>> function theRandomIV
> >>>>    if theRandomSeed = "" then
> >>>>       setRandomSeed
> >>>>    end if
> >>>>    put randomChrs(16) into tIVBytes
> >>>>    return tIVBytes
> >>>> end theRandomIV
> >>>>
> >>>> --This handler encodes the data. First it generates a random
> >>>> --initialization vector (iv), then encrypts the data and puts
> >>>> --adds iv to the encoded data.
> >>>> --tArray is an array that controls the action of the php script.
> >>>> function theEncoded tArray
> >>>>    put  theRandomIV() into tIV
> >>>>    put base64Encode(tIV) into tB64IV
> >>>>    put ArrayToJSON(tArray,"string?,?") into tJson
> >>>>    put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
> >>>>    put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
> >>>>    encrypt tJson using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
> >>>>    put base64encode(it) into tDataToSend
> >>>>    --comment out next statement if iv not included in data
> >>>>    put tB64IV&tDataToSend into tDataToSend
> >>>>    return tDataToSend
> >>>> end theEncoded
> >>>>
> >>>> --This decodes the data that is returned by the php on the
> >>>> --remote server.
> >>>> --The iv is expected as the first 24 bytes of the returned data.
> >>>> function theDecoded tData
> >>>>    put byte 1 to 24 of tData into tIVB64
> >>>>    put base64decode(tIVB64) into tIV
> >>>>    put the number of bytes in tData into n
> >>>>    put byte 25 to n of tData into tRetB64Data
> >>>>    put base64decode(tRetB64Data) into tRetData
> >>>>    put "AES-256-CTR" into tCipher
> >>>>    put "AFBDDFCFBDBBDDCCFFACGHDFFFFEEDCC" into tEncryptionKey
> >>>>    decrypt tRetData using tCipher with key tEncryptionKey and iV tIV
> >>>>    put it into tReturn
> >>>>    return tReturn
> >>>> end theDecoded
> >>>> -- End of handlers that should be in the main stack
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> >>>
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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul  3 14:20:58 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 14:20:58 -0400
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJGnAC=m=mhTCfwMN2PJjvkWfgV6x0arv-TF4SdKpSXdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
	<2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
	<EE1BE090-3860-4B4C-8ACC-EF4FF87A4734@gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLJGnAC=m=mhTCfwMN2PJjvkWfgV6x0arv-TF4SdKpSXdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef012748-3cc9-4948-8bc5-fd5e4b82a71e@Spark>

I?ll volunteer to add it to my community repo if desired.

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 3, 2018, 2:17 PM -0400, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> any chance this could go on github?
>


From waprothero at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 14:39:24 2018
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 11:39:24 -0700
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
	<2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
Message-ID: <F798E205-80D5-45F3-8C79-C8EE268AAACE@gmail.com>

Brian,
Thank you for your wisdom on this issue. I?m very interested in your recommendations and they are inspiring me to do more Internet research.

Just asking...
You said that the attacker could figure out the next iv. Since I append the iv to the front of the encrypted data, the attacker will always know the iv, correct? As I understand, the iv is used to obfuscate the encrypted data so it is more difficult for the attacker to decrypt the AES encrypted data. A random iv is used so the attacker can?t get the key by entering specific patterns of data and using the results.

Darn, this is complicated! I can see why there are so many opinions. I read that some folks recommend that the iv be secret and others don?t. When I look at the online discussions on stackoverflow, every comment is responded to with a different suggestion, and I have no idea whether the commenter knows what he/she is talking about. There is also out of date information to contend with. I also remember the horrible bug found in ssh encryption. AES was developed and released November, 2001 and a lot of the discussions are older.

I think the basic thing we hope for is that the attacker doesn?t have the key, and we need to do everything possible to keep it from determining the key. The attacker can still decrypt with a brute force method that tries all possible keys, but that?s probably rare in most cases, but possible.

I will modify the php to generate a new iv for the return data and look into the way I set the randomseed using the milliseconds.

Thanks again,
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> 
> I just put the PHP on my server and it was able to handle the randombytes IV without issue.
> 
> The demo does not generate a new IV for the returned data which it really should in production.
> 
> From a security perspective, you assume that an attacker has access to the code. From the encrypted message, an attacker could figure out your next IV.
>>> 



From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Tue Jul  3 14:44:10 2018
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 11:44:10 -0700
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <ef012748-3cc9-4948-8bc5-fd5e4b82a71e@Spark>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
	<2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
	<EE1BE090-3860-4B4C-8ACC-EF4FF87A4734@gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLJGnAC=m=mhTCfwMN2PJjvkWfgV6x0arv-TF4SdKpSXdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ef012748-3cc9-4948-8bc5-fd5e4b82a71e@Spark>
Message-ID: <A8E460CC-57D6-49B9-9867-0EBB241BEB44@earthlearningsolutions.org>

I haven?t spent the time to get familiar with github, but after I modify the php to use a random iv for the return data, I?m happy with any way to disseminate it for others. 

I?ll post a new link, when I?m done. Probably later today. I will also remove the link to my server. Then, I invite you to post it to github.

Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 3, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ll volunteer to add it to my community repo if desired.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
>> On Jul 3, 2018, 2:17 PM -0400, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>> any chance this could go on github?
>> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul  3 15:07:32 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:07:32 -0400
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <F798E205-80D5-45F3-8C79-C8EE268AAACE@gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
	<2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
	<F798E205-80D5-45F3-8C79-C8EE268AAACE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aae6b6fb-3968-4f6b-9d50-057ef967d538@Spark>

I think the IV vulnerability that I?m talking about is more theoretical than an actual concern. From what I?ve read the attacker needs to be able to control/influence what is being encrypted for knowledge of the next IV to help (so they can use a known plain text to test their key hypothesis).

And yes, the IV does make each encrypted message different even for the same plain text.

I didn?t fully work out the IV vulnerability but it did make sense how it would work.

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 3, 2018, 2:39 PM -0400, William Prothero <waprothero at gmail.com>, wrote:
> Brian,
> Thank you for your wisdom on this issue. I?m very interested in your recommendations and they are inspiring me to do more Internet research.
>
> Just asking...
> You said that the attacker could figure out the next iv. Since I append the iv to the front of the encrypted data, the attacker will always know the iv, correct? As I understand, the iv is used to obfuscate the encrypted data so it is more difficult for the attacker to decrypt the AES encrypted data. A random iv is used so the attacker can?t get the key by entering specific patterns of data and using the results.
>
> Darn, this is complicated! I can see why there are so many opinions. I read that some folks recommend that the iv be secret and others don?t. When I look at the online discussions on stackoverflow, every comment is responded to with a different suggestion, and I have no idea whether the commenter knows what he/she is talking about. There is also out of date information to contend with. I also remember the horrible bug found in ssh encryption. AES was developed and released November, 2001 and a lot of the discussions are older.
>
> I think the basic thing we hope for is that the attacker doesn?t have the key, and we need to do everything possible to keep it from determining the key. The attacker can still decrypt with a brute force method that tries all possible keys, but that?s probably rare in most cases, but possible.
>
> I will modify the php to generate a new iv for the return data and look into the way I set the randomseed using the milliseconds.
>
> Thanks again,
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
> > On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> >
> > I just put the PHP on my server and it was able to handle the randombytes IV without issue.
> >
> > The demo does not generate a new IV for the returned data which it really should in production.
> >
> > From a security perspective, you assume that an attacker has access to the code. From the encrypted message, an attacker could figure out your next IV.
> > > >


From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul  3 15:27:42 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <aae6b6fb-3968-4f6b-9d50-057ef967d538@Spark>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
	<2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
	<F798E205-80D5-45F3-8C79-C8EE268AAACE@gmail.com>
	<aae6b6fb-3968-4f6b-9d50-057ef967d538@Spark>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKCBViAtjTLNy8=zyMfb1tO+voo7E1PoQgNh7oV+HMudA@mail.gmail.com>

thank you for this .....I'm willing to post it too....was just thinking if
the goal is to nail down a best practice ..... then there may be a few
suggestions from a few people and maybe a few revisits, so keeping up with
the mailing list or your personal site is not ideal for something that is
being worked on in community.  unfortunately i cannot add anything to the
code except test it myself when the time comes.  great job everyone this
can be very helpful to a lot of livecode developers.



On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think the IV vulnerability that I?m talking about is more theoretical
> than an actual concern. From what I?ve read the attacker needs to be able
> to control/influence what is being encrypted for knowledge of the next IV
> to help (so they can use a known plain text to test their key hypothesis).
>
> And yes, the IV does make each encrypted message different even for the
> same plain text.
>
> I didn?t fully work out the IV vulnerability but it did make sense how it
> would work.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
> On Jul 3, 2018, 2:39 PM -0400, William Prothero <waprothero at gmail.com>,
> wrote:
> > Brian,
> > Thank you for your wisdom on this issue. I?m very interested in your
> recommendations and they are inspiring me to do more Internet research.
> >
> > Just asking...
> > You said that the attacker could figure out the next iv. Since I append
> the iv to the front of the encrypted data, the attacker will always know
> the iv, correct? As I understand, the iv is used to obfuscate the encrypted
> data so it is more difficult for the attacker to decrypt the AES encrypted
> data. A random iv is used so the attacker can?t get the key by entering
> specific patterns of data and using the results.
> >
> > Darn, this is complicated! I can see why there are so many opinions. I
> read that some folks recommend that the iv be secret and others don?t. When
> I look at the online discussions on stackoverflow, every comment is
> responded to with a different suggestion, and I have no idea whether the
> commenter knows what he/she is talking about. There is also out of date
> information to contend with. I also remember the horrible bug found in ssh
> encryption. AES was developed and released November, 2001 and a lot of the
> discussions are older.
> >
> > I think the basic thing we hope for is that the attacker doesn?t have
> the key, and we need to do everything possible to keep it from determining
> the key. The attacker can still decrypt with a brute force method that
> tries all possible keys, but that?s probably rare in most cases, but
> possible.
> >
> > I will modify the php to generate a new iv for the return data and look
> into the way I set the randomseed using the milliseconds.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Bill
> >
> > William Prothero
> > http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> >
> > > On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just put the PHP on my server and it was able to handle the
> randombytes IV without issue.
> > >
> > > The demo does not generate a new IV for the returned data which it
> really should in production.
> > >
> > > From a security perspective, you assume that an attacker has access to
> the code. From the encrypted message, an attacker could figure out your
> next IV.
> > > > >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul  3 16:00:44 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:00:44 -0500
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLKCBViAtjTLNy8=zyMfb1tO+voo7E1PoQgNh7oV+HMudA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
	<2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
	<F798E205-80D5-45F3-8C79-C8EE268AAACE@gmail.com>
	<aae6b6fb-3968-4f6b-9d50-057ef967d538@Spark>
	<CAPzQJLKCBViAtjTLNy8=zyMfb1tO+voo7E1PoQgNh7oV+HMudA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRb_ZKEEQhU3VCbU5NvYobhqOis=S1th48emcBd944uuZg@mail.gmail.com>

Initial code is posted here:
https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-community/tree/master/AES_Demo

I'll update it later today with an updated version of the PHP that uses a
different IV for the return data.

The good thing about how I've posted it is that PRs can be submitted and
integrated with edits to just the code (and I'll merge them into the stack
itself).  If you do submit a PR, do not include the stack itself.  Hold off
until v2 is posted though (I'm integrating an updated stack).

After I post v2, I'm going to update the README with links to these threads
for reference.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> thank you for this .....I'm willing to post it too....was just thinking if
> the goal is to nail down a best practice ..... then there may be a few
> suggestions from a few people and maybe a few revisits, so keeping up with
> the mailing list or your personal site is not ideal for something that is
> being worked on in community.  unfortunately i cannot add anything to the
> code except test it myself when the time comes.  great job everyone this
> can be very helpful to a lot of livecode developers.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I think the IV vulnerability that I?m talking about is more theoretical
> > than an actual concern. From what I?ve read the attacker needs to be able
> > to control/influence what is being encrypted for knowledge of the next IV
> > to help (so they can use a known plain text to test their key
> hypothesis).
> >
> > And yes, the IV does make each encrypted message different even for the
> > same plain text.
> >
> > I didn?t fully work out the IV vulnerability but it did make sense how it
> > would work.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> > On Jul 3, 2018, 2:39 PM -0400, William Prothero <waprothero at gmail.com>,
> > wrote:
> > > Brian,
> > > Thank you for your wisdom on this issue. I?m very interested in your
> > recommendations and they are inspiring me to do more Internet research.
> > >
> > > Just asking...
> > > You said that the attacker could figure out the next iv. Since I append
> > the iv to the front of the encrypted data, the attacker will always know
> > the iv, correct? As I understand, the iv is used to obfuscate the
> encrypted
> > data so it is more difficult for the attacker to decrypt the AES
> encrypted
> > data. A random iv is used so the attacker can?t get the key by entering
> > specific patterns of data and using the results.
> > >
> > > Darn, this is complicated! I can see why there are so many opinions. I
> > read that some folks recommend that the iv be secret and others don?t.
> When
> > I look at the online discussions on stackoverflow, every comment is
> > responded to with a different suggestion, and I have no idea whether the
> > commenter knows what he/she is talking about. There is also out of date
> > information to contend with. I also remember the horrible bug found in
> ssh
> > encryption. AES was developed and released November, 2001 and a lot of
> the
> > discussions are older.
> > >
> > > I think the basic thing we hope for is that the attacker doesn?t have
> > the key, and we need to do everything possible to keep it from
> determining
> > the key. The attacker can still decrypt with a brute force method that
> > tries all possible keys, but that?s probably rare in most cases, but
> > possible.
> > >
> > > I will modify the php to generate a new iv for the return data and look
> > into the way I set the randomseed using the milliseconds.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > William Prothero
> > > http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> > >
> > > > On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just put the PHP on my server and it was able to handle the
> > randombytes IV without issue.
> > > >
> > > > The demo does not generate a new IV for the returned data which it
> > really should in production.
> > > >
> > > > From a security perspective, you assume that an attacker has access
> to
> > the code. From the encrypted message, an attacker could figure out your
> > next IV.
> > > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul  3 16:19:23 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 16:19:23 -0400
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRb_ZKEEQhU3VCbU5NvYobhqOis=S1th48emcBd944uuZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB6EA652-CF11-4D4A-B69B-15794D45E9AC@gmail.com>
	<2f8541c6-7705-40ee-8f82-2e5430d343fc@Spark>
	<F798E205-80D5-45F3-8C79-C8EE268AAACE@gmail.com>
	<aae6b6fb-3968-4f6b-9d50-057ef967d538@Spark>
	<CAPzQJLKCBViAtjTLNy8=zyMfb1tO+voo7E1PoQgNh7oV+HMudA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRb_ZKEEQhU3VCbU5NvYobhqOis=S1th48emcBd944uuZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJmG6R+=i+OuyRh3OqMdOVLAiuV490vOvAPdx0zuYmydQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Brian. Thanks everyone. This is great a big time saver for me.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Initial code is posted here:
> https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-community/tree/master/AES_Demo
>
> I'll update it later today with an updated version of the PHP that uses a
> different IV for the return data.
>
> The good thing about how I've posted it is that PRs can be submitted and
> integrated with edits to just the code (and I'll merge them into the stack
> itself).  If you do submit a PR, do not include the stack itself.  Hold off
> until v2 is posted though (I'm integrating an updated stack).
>
> After I post v2, I'm going to update the README with links to these threads
> for reference.
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:27 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > thank you for this .....I'm willing to post it too....was just thinking
> if
> > the goal is to nail down a best practice ..... then there may be a few
> > suggestions from a few people and maybe a few revisits, so keeping up
> with
> > the mailing list or your personal site is not ideal for something that is
> > being worked on in community.  unfortunately i cannot add anything to the
> > code except test it myself when the time comes.  great job everyone this
> > can be very helpful to a lot of livecode developers.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I think the IV vulnerability that I?m talking about is more theoretical
> > > than an actual concern. From what I?ve read the attacker needs to be
> able
> > > to control/influence what is being encrypted for knowledge of the next
> IV
> > > to help (so they can use a known plain text to test their key
> > hypothesis).
> > >
> > > And yes, the IV does make each encrypted message different even for the
> > > same plain text.
> > >
> > > I didn?t fully work out the IV vulnerability but it did make sense how
> it
> > > would work.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Brian
> > > On Jul 3, 2018, 2:39 PM -0400, William Prothero <waprothero at gmail.com
> >,
> > > wrote:
> > > > Brian,
> > > > Thank you for your wisdom on this issue. I?m very interested in your
> > > recommendations and they are inspiring me to do more Internet research.
> > > >
> > > > Just asking...
> > > > You said that the attacker could figure out the next iv. Since I
> append
> > > the iv to the front of the encrypted data, the attacker will always
> know
> > > the iv, correct? As I understand, the iv is used to obfuscate the
> > encrypted
> > > data so it is more difficult for the attacker to decrypt the AES
> > encrypted
> > > data. A random iv is used so the attacker can?t get the key by entering
> > > specific patterns of data and using the results.
> > > >
> > > > Darn, this is complicated! I can see why there are so many opinions.
> I
> > > read that some folks recommend that the iv be secret and others don?t.
> > When
> > > I look at the online discussions on stackoverflow, every comment is
> > > responded to with a different suggestion, and I have no idea whether
> the
> > > commenter knows what he/she is talking about. There is also out of date
> > > information to contend with. I also remember the horrible bug found in
> > ssh
> > > encryption. AES was developed and released November, 2001 and a lot of
> > the
> > > discussions are older.
> > > >
> > > > I think the basic thing we hope for is that the attacker doesn?t have
> > > the key, and we need to do everything possible to keep it from
> > determining
> > > the key. The attacker can still decrypt with a brute force method that
> > > tries all possible keys, but that?s probably rare in most cases, but
> > > possible.
> > > >
> > > > I will modify the php to generate a new iv for the return data and
> look
> > > into the way I set the randomseed using the milliseconds.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again,
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > William Prothero
> > > > http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> > > >
> > > > > On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just put the PHP on my server and it was able to handle the
> > > randombytes IV without issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > The demo does not generate a new IV for the returned data which it
> > > really should in production.
> > > > >
> > > > > From a security perspective, you assume that an attacker has access
> > to
> > > the code. From the encrypted message, an attacker could figure out your
> > > next IV.
> > > > > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
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> > subscription preferences:
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From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Tue Jul  3 16:34:22 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 20:34:22 +0000
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2163.1530045686.4609.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20180703203422.Horde.XtS7WrzF12iezw-nlOdzeFE@ua850258.serversignin.com>

Had my first customer complaint about the app not working on their  
device running the iOS 12 beta. Luckily I was able to point to a blog  
post about how Fortnite also crashes under iOS 12 and explained how  
their development budget is WAY larger to buy some time ;)

Has the mothership had a chance to investigate this and/or should I  
submit a report to bugzilla?

--Andrew Bell

> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:45:42 +0100
> From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
> Message-ID:
> 	<CA+JfEq8+1PtDYwsVsa0Xk6aSrdCQNrK8v+9XtBYod5UFdyVG-g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> oh what fun!
>
> I will install iOS 12 beta in one of our office devices and investigate
> tomorrow. After a quick google search it seems that other non-LC apps crash
> on startup on iOS 12 beta, so probably Apple has changed something.
>
> BTW what version of LC / MacOS/ Xcode did you use to build the
> standalone(s)?
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --





From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 16:52:54 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 21:52:54 +0100
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <20180703203422.Horde.XtS7WrzF12iezw-nlOdzeFE@ua850258.serversignin.com>
References: <mailman.2163.1530045686.4609.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180703203422.Horde.XtS7WrzF12iezw-nlOdzeFE@ua850258.serversignin.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9ufxJqF5oP+NKjMhnhw=C1cfugN0oXVb9YaaSddes52g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Andrew,

No we did not have a chance to look at it yet, but we are aware of the
issue. I think I had filed a bug report a week ago, I'll double check and
let you know.

Best
Panos
--

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 21:34 Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Had my first customer complaint about the app not working on their
> device running the iOS 12 beta. Luckily I was able to point to a blog
> post about how Fortnite also crashes under iOS 12 and explained how
> their development budget is WAY larger to buy some time ;)
>
> Has the mothership had a chance to investigate this and/or should I
> submit a report to bugzilla?
>
> --Andrew Bell
>
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:45:42 +0100
> > From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Cc: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com
> > Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
> > Message-ID:
> >       <
> CA+JfEq8+1PtDYwsVsa0Xk6aSrdCQNrK8v+9XtBYod5UFdyVG-g at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > oh what fun!
> >
> > I will install iOS 12 beta in one of our office devices and investigate
> > tomorrow. After a quick google search it seems that other non-LC apps
> crash
> > on startup on iOS 12 beta, so probably Apple has changed something.
> >
> > BTW what version of LC / MacOS/ Xcode did you use to build the
> > standalone(s)?
> >
> > Best,
> > Panos
> > --
>
>
>
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 18:16:34 2018
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:16:34 -0700
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9ufxJqF5oP+NKjMhnhw=C1cfugN0oXVb9YaaSddes52g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2163.1530045686.4609.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180703203422.Horde.XtS7WrzF12iezw-nlOdzeFE@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9ufxJqF5oP+NKjMhnhw=C1cfugN0oXVb9YaaSddes52g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANOMaqPg=rx4hHgUiYSZYD+mruXRP1TTj7zyCZ2A530F==oEHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Skype also crashes. With Adobe AIR apps a current app crashes, but one from
four years ago doesn?t. Hopefully Apple will fix things.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:53 PM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello Andrew,
>
> No we did not have a chance to look at it yet, but we are aware of the
> issue. I think I had filed a bug report a week ago, I'll double check and
> let you know.
>
> Best
> Panos
> --
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 21:34 Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Had my first customer complaint about the app not working on their
> > device running the iOS 12 beta. Luckily I was able to point to a blog
> > post about how Fortnite also crashes under iOS 12 and explained how
> > their development budget is WAY larger to buy some time ;)
> >
> > Has the mothership had a chance to investigate this and/or should I
> > submit a report to bugzilla?
> >
> > --Andrew Bell
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:45:42 +0100
> > > From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Cc: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com
> > > Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
> > > Message-ID:
> > >       <
> > CA+JfEq8+1PtDYwsVsa0Xk6aSrdCQNrK8v+9XtBYod5UFdyVG-g at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Hi Andrew,
> > >
> > > oh what fun!
> > >
> > > I will install iOS 12 beta in one of our office devices and investigate
> > > tomorrow. After a quick google search it seems that other non-LC apps
> > crash
> > > on startup on iOS 12 beta, so probably Apple has changed something.
> > >
> > > BTW what version of LC / MacOS/ Xcode did you use to build the
> > > standalone(s)?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Panos
> > > --
> >
> >
> >
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> > subscription preferences:
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From monte at appisle.net  Tue Jul  3 18:48:28 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 08:48:28 +1000
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <7C9CE302-2D41-434D-9AD0-D4B8D51BEF21@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f288eb1-89bc-cb12-ce4b-363ba18b6771@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B358A1F8-E296-4B4F-BCE5-90DF3915AE24@iotecdigital.com>
	<059A532C-DD92-4116-A8F2-95CA286B6629@appisle.net>
	<7C9CE302-2D41-434D-9AD0-D4B8D51BEF21@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0F64534F-A646-4A00-BD4F-BA322410F437@appisle.net>



> On 4 Jul 2018, at 12:52 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Jacque says you can reference a behavior's script locals ie. the sLocal of THIS ME

Well you can?t actually do that so maybe Jacque is being misquoted?

Cheers

Monte

From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Jul  3 20:33:40 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 00:33:40 +0000
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <A41087BD-51F3-4F10-9A07-9317DE1F837E@hindu.org>

Just a side note, that for "parent" behaviors which have been "nested" as the behavior of multiple "children" ... we are "blinded sided" to this, as the designation is in the first comment of the script with doesn't appear in the IDE, SE

The only other place to see it is in the PB in 9+, that is obscure and is shows a "dot" nothing more.

If you are using text editor, no problem. But I have taken a convention for every child behavior, to make the first comment on the script declare:

-> ## this script has a parent: behavior_ListenUI  

So I can see it in IDE script editor

Coming to the "script local" problem. Jacque was misquoted. She  said scripts that are not attached to an object (there is no "this me"....) globals are required.

One solution is to use a single global as an array..

Global sConfigA # with keys needed

This doesn?t solve the problem of "who set that value" when tracing; but I found it convenient to have a single global to check out at any point this I want to use it. And the keys are like "custom properties" of global array.

 Still, if could lead to "untraceable" code if I  used that one array for too much.

Would be nice to solve it somehow. I found myself using  a "setter" command  from  parent script creating a child local script local.  And then a function to called that back...into parent.  Then a few days, later, thinking 

"I need that local value in this other child..... geez - this backwards! Parent has to check "down the message path"?....The parent script wants to have everything!  UhOH! I'm on the edge of snake pit here. Maybe I should not go down that road?"

So I put plans for all the cool stuff I could do in "parent script" (of other children which actually have object) aside for now.  Mostly use for UI stuff, like keep a mouseup handler, and if wanted it called from the child, just pass it in the child

On mouseUp
  pass mouseUp 
# goes to parent behavior_ListenUI
# because it has to have an object in the UI
# it will *not* be passed in the message path...unless you do this. 
End mouseup

BR

"I too am still trying to figure it out"

? Bob Sneidar wrote:

    I'm getting heavily into behaviors and script only stacks now (in preparation for Levure Framework) because my project has become complex enough to make it almost inevitable. I have perhaps 20 or so substacks in a mainstack. 


From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul  3 22:02:15 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 21:02:15 -0500
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <078FE029-A82F-40A3-AF2D-82793FF3C429@all-auctions.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<078FE029-A82F-40A3-AF2D-82793FF3C429@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaJeqb0EkJ-nzb-JGgXY4A6a3NGt53ktOoq=giXEwD7MA@mail.gmail.com>

 The problem is that with a known IV and the code, the next IV can be
predicted if using the random function. If the generator was reseeded every
time an IV was generated, that would remove the advance prediction issue. I
didn't mean that the first IV could be guessed.  Exploitation would be
difficult and I believe even requires the attacker to be able to inject
plain text to be encrypted.

On Jul 3, 2018, 1:24 PM -0400, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:

Hi Brian,

I think it would be pretty hard to do based on the time.
One would have to do the calculation in advance and
hope that the program caught the server at exactly
the correct millisecond. As you also pointed out the
hacker would also have to have access to the code.

If you generate your own random seed with a counter
it should not count by 1?s. The step count ideally should
be random as well.

Good discussion!

Thanks,

Rick


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul  3 23:07:50 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 22:07:50 -0500
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <0F64534F-A646-4A00-BD4F-BA322410F437@appisle.net>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f6e83bab-0e20-d481-18f9-9f5ad008e4cf@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f288eb1-89bc-cb12-ce4b-363ba18b6771@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B358A1F8-E296-4B4F-BCE5-90DF3915AE24@iotecdigital.com>
	<059A532C-DD92-4116-A8F2-95CA286B6629@appisle.net>
	<7C9CE302-2D41-434D-9AD0-D4B8D51BEF21@iotecdigital.com>
	<0F64534F-A646-4A00-BD4F-BA322410F437@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <4edcb549-e7e2-97ad-27b7-bf293d82e76c@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/3/18 5:48 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 4 Jul 2018, at 12:52 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Jacque says you can reference a behavior's script locals ie. the sLocal of THIS ME
> 
> Well you can?t actually do that so maybe Jacque is being misquoted?

I think I misquoted myself. "Me" is an object, and an object can't have 
a script local, so you were being generous in not saying outright I was 
wrong. My brain did a little twist, and the example I gave used property 
syntax, which a "me" can have.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From waprothero at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 01:41:46 2018
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 22:41:46 -0700
Subject: AES-256 Encryption Best Practices
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRaJeqb0EkJ-nzb-JGgXY4A6a3NGt53ktOoq=giXEwD7MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<070CEC05-C600-46C1-9C17-904950F26A46@iotecdigital.com>
	<F81EEE7F-D808-4DFB-8245-55456134B4C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1FB51483-9ACD-435F-AB7D-0E7060B833A0@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbDonZiOK+qJ=UpcdfcwCH11Qxz6UfnM=nHxvF2-HcTAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<078FE029-A82F-40A3-AF2D-82793FF3C429@all-auctions.com>
	<CA+yhkRaJeqb0EkJ-nzb-JGgXY4A6a3NGt53ktOoq=giXEwD7MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2876FB18-95A5-403D-B8CC-1B3C7A899E7C@gmail.com>

Brian:
Ahhh, ok, I get it. It?s easy to re-seed every time it?s called, using the milliseconds. That assumes that the user of the program initiates the action at a random time. 

I?ll change the code so it re-seeds every time.

Best,
Bill

> On Jul 3, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The problem is that with a known IV and the code, the next IV can be
> predicted if using the random function. If the generator was reseeded every
> time an IV was generated, that would remove the advance prediction issue. I
> didn't mean that the first IV could be guessed.  Exploitation would be
> difficult and I believe even requires the attacker to be able to inject
> plain text to be encrypted.
> 
> On Jul 3, 2018, 1:24 PM -0400, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> I think it would be pretty hard to do based on the time.
> One would have to do the calculation in advance and
> hope that the program caught the server at exactly
> the correct millisecond. As you also pointed out the
> hacker would also have to have access to the code.
> 
> If you generate your own random seed with a counter
> it should not count by 1?s. The step count ideally should
> be random as well.
> 
> Good discussion!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 05:16:55 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:16:55 +0100
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <CANOMaqPg=rx4hHgUiYSZYD+mruXRP1TTj7zyCZ2A530F==oEHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2163.1530045686.4609.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180703203422.Horde.XtS7WrzF12iezw-nlOdzeFE@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9ufxJqF5oP+NKjMhnhw=C1cfugN0oXVb9YaaSddes52g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANOMaqPg=rx4hHgUiYSZYD+mruXRP1TTj7zyCZ2A530F==oEHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9qPO2LFnDVpS8pPMAjxYD_wKb0GwERt93C8+ZODhdiog@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the update @Colin

For anyone interested, I just filed a bug report:

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21396

Best,
Panos
--

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Skype also crashes. With Adobe AIR apps a current app crashes, but one from
> four years ago doesn?t. Hopefully Apple will fix things.
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:53 PM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Andrew,
> >
> > No we did not have a chance to look at it yet, but we are aware of the
> > issue. I think I had filed a bug report a week ago, I'll double check and
> > let you know.
> >
> > Best
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 21:34 Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Had my first customer complaint about the app not working on their
> > > device running the iOS 12 beta. Luckily I was able to point to a blog
> > > post about how Fortnite also crashes under iOS 12 and explained how
> > > their development budget is WAY larger to buy some time ;)
> > >
> > > Has the mothership had a chance to investigate this and/or should I
> > > submit a report to bugzilla?
> > >
> > > --Andrew Bell
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:45:42 +0100
> > > > From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> > > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > > Cc: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com
> > > > Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > >       <
> > > CA+JfEq8+1PtDYwsVsa0Xk6aSrdCQNrK8v+9XtBYod5UFdyVG-g at mail.gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > > >
> > > > Hi Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > oh what fun!
> > > >
> > > > I will install iOS 12 beta in one of our office devices and
> investigate
> > > > tomorrow. After a quick google search it seems that other non-LC apps
> > > crash
> > > > on startup on iOS 12 beta, so probably Apple has changed something.
> > > >
> > > > BTW what version of LC / MacOS/ Xcode did you use to build the
> > > > standalone(s)?
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Panos
> > > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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From General.2018 at outlook.com  Wed Jul  4 08:25:06 2018
From: General.2018 at outlook.com (General 2018)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:25:06 +0000
Subject: Future support for Serial Coms
Message-ID: <CWLP265MB03881DD6CE5467836E6F30E28F410@CWLP265MB0388.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi ,

I have seen questions raised over platform support for Serial Com ports and cannot seem to find a conclusive answer for Android  and IOS.

On Windows I use serial data over USB and Bluetooth , this all works fine with LC.

I want to migrate to Android - so with LC is serial over USB and Bluetooth possible ?
Many Android apps currently us this but need LC too.

The only option for IOS is WIFI connection.

Regards 
Camm


From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jul  4 12:01:02 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 11:01:02 -0500
Subject: Future support for Serial Coms
In-Reply-To: <CWLP265MB03881DD6CE5467836E6F30E28F410@CWLP265MB0388.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CWLP265MB03881DD6CE5467836E6F30E28F410@CWLP265MB0388.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRan69PsKqPcQjVuVVs0suAudf-E_K8v8zUFGOvixE=a_A@mail.gmail.com>

There is not currently a library available that does what you want.  With
LCB, you could package your own.  There are a couple of packages with code
that interfaces with USB deices, but I don't know enough about Android to
build them in a way that works with LCB.

Here are a couple:
https://github.com/felHR85/UsbSerial
https://github.com/mik3y/usb-serial-for-android

Here is an example of using the first one:
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/projects/communicate-with-your-arduino-through-android/


On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:25 AM, General 2018 via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi ,
>
> I have seen questions raised over platform support for Serial Com ports
> and cannot seem to find a conclusive answer for Android  and IOS.
>
> On Windows I use serial data over USB and Bluetooth , this all works fine
> with LC.
>
> I want to migrate to Android - so with LC is serial over USB and Bluetooth
> possible ?
> Many Android apps currently us this but need LC too.
>
> The only option for IOS is WIFI connection.
>
> Regards
> Camm
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 13:24:28 2018
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 10:24:28 -0700
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9qPO2LFnDVpS8pPMAjxYD_wKb0GwERt93C8+ZODhdiog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2163.1530045686.4609.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180703203422.Horde.XtS7WrzF12iezw-nlOdzeFE@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9ufxJqF5oP+NKjMhnhw=C1cfugN0oXVb9YaaSddes52g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANOMaqPg=rx4hHgUiYSZYD+mruXRP1TTj7zyCZ2A530F==oEHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq9qPO2LFnDVpS8pPMAjxYD_wKb0GwERt93C8+ZODhdiog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18C07201-41AC-474E-BB3A-FE4F63D74BEF@gmail.com>

Beta 3 of iOS 12 came out today. Apps still crash.


> On Jul 4, 2018, at 2:16 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the update @Colin
> 
> For anyone interested, I just filed a bug report:
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21396 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21396>
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> Skype also crashes. With Adobe AIR apps a current app crashes, but one from
> four years ago doesn?t. Hopefully Apple will fix things.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:53 PM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Andrew,
> >
> > No we did not have a chance to look at it yet, but we are aware of the
> > issue. I think I had filed a bug report a week ago, I'll double check and
> > let you know.
> >
> > Best
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 21:34 Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Had my first customer complaint about the app not working on their
> > > device running the iOS 12 beta. Luckily I was able to point to a blog
> > > post about how Fortnite also crashes under iOS 12 and explained how
> > > their development budget is WAY larger to buy some time ;)
> > >
> > > Has the mothership had a chance to investigate this and/or should I
> > > submit a report to bugzilla?
> > >
> > > --Andrew Bell
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:45:42 +0100
> > > > From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com <mailto:merakosp at gmail.com>>
> > > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> > > > Cc: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com <mailto:andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > >       <
> > > CA+JfEq8+1PtDYwsVsa0Xk6aSrdCQNrK8v+9XtBYod5UFdyVG-g at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CA%2BJfEq8%2B1PtDYwsVsa0Xk6aSrdCQNrK8v%2B9XtBYod5UFdyVG-g at mail.gmail.com>>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > > >
> > > > Hi Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > oh what fun!
> > > >
> > > > I will install iOS 12 beta in one of our office devices and investigate
> > > > tomorrow. After a quick google search it seems that other non-LC apps
> > > crash
> > > > on startup on iOS 12 beta, so probably Apple has changed something.
> > > >
> > > > BTW what version of LC / MacOS/ Xcode did you use to build the
> > > > standalone(s)?
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Panos
> > > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jul  4 19:00:29 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 18:00:29 -0500
Subject: WebDocMaker / Online Dictionary
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaMN-B8D_VQw2=N6qU2xRkZnwenFN9oEHmLRUa16apUWg@mail.gmail.com>

I've finally updated my online version of the dictionary to the LC 9.0
release.  In the process, I've posted the stack to my GitHub repo.

https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-misc/tree/master/WebDocMaker

The dictionary is available at:
https://milby.us/lc/docs/api.html

The guides are available at:
https://milby.us/lc/docs/guide.html

The files are probably much more appropriate to be self-hosted on a local
network though.

I have not tried to make it work better on small/mobile screens yet.  I did
put the code in that allows it work on iOS to at least select dictionary
entries.

For those of us in the USA, Happy 4th of July!

Brian


From mfluka at videotron.ca  Wed Jul  4 20:38:24 2018
From: mfluka at videotron.ca (Michel F. Lukawecki)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 20:38:24 -0400
Subject: WebDocMaker / Online Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <aqlIfXSt4ZTRAaqlKfnYCP@videotron.ca>
References: <aqlIfXSt4ZTRAaqlKfnYCP@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <4981FE3E-D171-4746-8CBC-2CF97212F52D@videotron.ca>

Hi all.

Being a newbie, I?m easily confused.

Brian, is there a difference between your ?online version of the dictionary to the LC 9.0 release? and what I find at Livecode Community/Contents/Tools/Documentation/pdf/LiveCode User Guide (9.0.0)?

Thanks!
________________
Michel F. Lukawecki
Longueuil, Canada

> On 2018-Jul-4, at 19:00, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I've finally updated my online version of the dictionary to the LC 9.0
> release.  In the process, I've posted the stack to my GitHub repo.
> 
> https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-misc/tree/master/WebDocMaker
> 
> The dictionary is available at:
> https://milby.us/lc/docs/api.html
> 
> The guides are available at:
> https://milby.us/lc/docs/guide.html
> 
> The files are probably much more appropriate to be self-hosted on a local
> network though.
> 
> I have not tried to make it work better on small/mobile screens yet.  I did
> put the code in that allows it work on iOS to at least select dictionary
> entries.
> 
> For those of us in the USA, Happy 4th of July!
> 
> Brian
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jul  4 20:43:38 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 20:43:38 -0400
Subject: WebDocMaker / Online Dictionary
In-Reply-To: <4981FE3E-D171-4746-8CBC-2CF97212F52D@videotron.ca>
References: <aqlIfXSt4ZTRAaqlKfnYCP@videotron.ca>
	<4981FE3E-D171-4746-8CBC-2CF97212F52D@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <e905e515-877e-426d-9bcf-43a552eecbc0@Spark>

No difference in the content. I made it mainly so I could have the dictionary available on my iPad in a searchable format. There is now an app available and Dash which provides the same type of thing.

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 4, 2018, 8:41 PM -0400, Michel F. Lukawecki via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Being a newbie, I?m easily confused.
>
> Brian, is there a difference between your ?online version of the dictionary to the LC 9.0 release? and what I find at Livecode Community/Contents/Tools/Documentation/pdf/LiveCode User Guide (9.0.0)?
>
> Thanks!
> ________________
> Michel F. Lukawecki
> Longueuil, Canada
>
> > On 2018-Jul-4, at 19:00, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've finally updated my online version of the dictionary to the LC 9.0
> > release. In the process, I've posted the stack to my GitHub repo.
> >
> > https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-misc/tree/master/WebDocMaker
> >
> > The dictionary is available at:
> > https://milby.us/lc/docs/api.html
> >
> > The guides are available at:
> > https://milby.us/lc/docs/guide.html
> >
> > The files are probably much more appropriate to be self-hosted on a local
> > network though.
> >
> > I have not tried to make it work better on small/mobile screens yet. I did
> > put the code in that allows it work on iOS to at least select dictionary
> > entries.
> >
> > For those of us in the USA, Happy 4th of July!
> >
> > Brian
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From dougr at telus.net  Thu Jul  5 10:36:21 2018
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas Ruisaard)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 07:36:21 -0700
Subject: Future support for Serial Coms
In-Reply-To: b13gfBtV0LzLib13kfYneO
References: b13gfBtV0LzLib13kfYneO
Message-ID: <07bd01d4146d$8c638470$a52a8d50$@net>

Cam .. you mention that you have Windows working with LC "over USB and *Bluetooth*" ...???  Really?  Can you describe more details about using Bluetooth / Windows / LC?  As far as I know, the ONLY implementation for Bluetooth from LC is Monte Goulding's "mergBLE" which exclusively runs on iOS.  If, on the other hand, you are actually talking about using serial / USB (likely via a USB-to-serial module/adaptor like an FT232) on Windows or Mac, then LC sees these devices as simple "COM" ports and works perfectly well.  But Bluetooth... NO.  So, I'm VERY interested if you have a Bluetooth - LC working combination on Windows!

Serial/USB functionality on iOS is so complicated, it's a joke!  After submitting some sort of detailed "review" of your needs to Apple, they might "sell" you a customized chip which you must integrate into your receiving device.... if your implementation meets their stringent criteria.  No ... I'm NOT kidding!  And then you're still on your own to find a way to integrate the necessary Xcode into LC... good luck with THAT!!

But, hey, I'm not bitter!

LC development *might* consider developing a Bluetooth library for Android if someone (like the LC community, for example) pays them to do so.  I have no problem with that.... other than the price tag for a one-man-show.  According to Iain Morrison from LC:

"... I am truly sorry to inform you that we will not be able to help on this occasion for this work. Our team are completely tied up at the moment on multiple projects and for the foreseeable future I don't think they will be working on any projects of value less than $1,000 per day. Perhaps you could get in touch with a few of the LC developers that you mentioned to see if they would be interested in crowd funding the work, if you can let me know and I will get one of the devs to have a look at a specification and price. As it stands I would probably put a guide price on it of $5k...."

I don't have the wherewithal to implement a KickStarter (or some other crowd-funding methodology) campaign... but I'd *sure* would be interested and contribute to one for this purpose.  I see the lack of Bluetooth support as being a huge gap in LC's functionality.

I have offered (and do so again) for anyone from THIS community with expertise in Android and LC external code integration to consider a project involving either USB/Serial and/or BlueTooth implementation on Android.  I have a full Java library from Adafruit for Android for a specific BLE module which needs integration into LC.  I am, sorry-to-say, completely Java ignorant so I can't even get to first base with this, myself.

I'd invite the rest of this community to consider the possibility of funding the development of a Bluetooth library for Android and voice their opinions on the matter.  I'd also like to hear if anyone would be willing to initiate a crowd-funding campaign for such a venture and what the level of interest is for this functionality. At approx $5,000 it would only take 50 of us contributing $100 to reach such a goal.  Sounds reasonable.

Douglas Ruisaard
Trilogy Software
(250) 573-3935

> ------------------------------
> 
> There is not currently a library available that does what you want.  With
> LCB, you could package your own.  There are a couple of packages with code
> that interfaces with USB deices, but I don't know enough about Android to
> build them in a way that works with LCB.
> 
> Here are a couple:
> https://github.com/felHR85/UsbSerial
> https://github.com/mik3y/usb-serial-for-android
> 
> Here is an example of using the first one:
> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/projects/communicate-with-your-arduino-through-android/
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:25 AM, General 2018 via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi ,
> >
> > I have seen questions raised over platform support for Serial Com ports
> > and cannot seem to find a conclusive answer for Android  and IOS.
> >
> > On Windows I use serial data over USB and Bluetooth , this all works fine
> > with LC.
> >
> > I want to migrate to Android - so with LC is serial over USB and Bluetooth
> > possible ?
> > Many Android apps currently us this but need LC too.
> >
> > The only option for IOS is WIFI connection.
> >
> > Regards
> > Camm




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul  5 10:38:17 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 14:38:17 +0000
Subject: Script Only Stack Behaviors and Nesting
In-Reply-To: <A41087BD-51F3-4F10-9A07-9317DE1F837E@hindu.org>
References: <8D9FBEAF-072F-409E-9BA0-5545B4F8DB11@iotecdigital.com>
	<A41087BD-51F3-4F10-9A07-9317DE1F837E@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <F7CE681C-B74A-41BF-ADF7-D817B26D98C9@iotecdigital.com>

Not misquoted, but misunderstood. 

> On Jul 2, 2018, at 12:33 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, do you mean you want to set the script locals for the behavior object itself? You can do that, but it will only apply to that particular control. The magic word is "this me" : "set the sLocal of this me to xxx".

Bob S




From General.2018 at outlook.com  Thu Jul  5 10:59:54 2018
From: General.2018 at outlook.com (General 2018)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 14:59:54 +0000
Subject: Future support for Serial Coms
In-Reply-To: <07bd01d4146d$8c638470$a52a8d50$@net>
References: b13gfBtV0LzLib13kfYneO,<07bd01d4146d$8c638470$a52a8d50$@net>
Message-ID: <LO2P265MB039947FE8DC35CCC084A3B878F400@LO2P265MB0399.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Douglas ,

Serial over Bluetooth on all Windows with LC - Yes , but as you say it is seen as a Com port.

I have a Bluetooth device that needs serial commands - Windows sees this as a Bluetooth device (in the loaded driver VCP should be ticked) I then pair it and use LC with the standard com port commands.

I second all your other points and we can only hope that LC gets this for Android.


Regards Camm

> On 5 Jul 2018, at 15:36, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Cam .. you mention that you have Windows working with LC "over USB and *Bluetooth*" ...???  Really?  Can you describe more details about using Bluetooth / Windows / LC?  As far as I know, the ONLY implementation for Bluetooth from LC is Monte Goulding's "mergBLE" which exclusively runs on iOS.  If, on the other hand, you are actually talking about using serial / USB (likely via a USB-to-serial module/adaptor like an FT232) on Windows or Mac, then LC sees these devices as simple "COM" ports and works perfectly well.  But Bluetooth... NO.  So, I'm VERY interested if you have a Bluetooth - LC working combination on Windows!
> 
> Serial/USB functionality on iOS is so complicated, it's a joke!  After submitting some sort of detailed "review" of your needs to Apple, they might "sell" you a customized chip which you must integrate into your receiving device.... if your implementation meets their stringent criteria.  No ... I'm NOT kidding!  And then you're still on your own to find a way to integrate the necessary Xcode into LC... good luck with THAT!!
> 
> But, hey, I'm not bitter!
> 
> LC development *might* consider developing a Bluetooth library for Android if someone (like the LC community, for example) pays them to do so.  I have no problem with that.... other than the price tag for a one-man-show.  According to Iain Morrison from LC:
> 
> "... I am truly sorry to inform you that we will not be able to help on this occasion for this work. Our team are completely tied up at the moment on multiple projects and for the foreseeable future I don't think they will be working on any projects of value less than $1,000 per day. Perhaps you could get in touch with a few of the LC developers that you mentioned to see if they would be interested in crowd funding the work, if you can let me know and I will get one of the devs to have a look at a specification and price. As it stands I would probably put a guide price on it of $5k...."
> 
> I don't have the wherewithal to implement a KickStarter (or some other crowd-funding methodology) campaign... but I'd *sure* would be interested and contribute to one for this purpose.  I see the lack of Bluetooth support as being a huge gap in LC's functionality.
> 
> I have offered (and do so again) for anyone from THIS community with expertise in Android and LC external code integration to consider a project involving either USB/Serial and/or BlueTooth implementation on Android.  I have a full Java library from Adafruit for Android for a specific BLE module which needs integration into LC.  I am, sorry-to-say, completely Java ignorant so I can't even get to first base with this, myself.
> 
> I'd invite the rest of this community to consider the possibility of funding the development of a Bluetooth library for Android and voice their opinions on the matter.  I'd also like to hear if anyone would be willing to initiate a crowd-funding campaign for such a venture and what the level of interest is for this functionality. At approx $5,000 it would only take 50 of us contributing $100 to reach such a goal.  Sounds reasonable.
> 
> Douglas Ruisaard
> Trilogy Software
> (250) 573-3935
> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> There is not currently a library available that does what you want.  With
>> LCB, you could package your own.  There are a couple of packages with code
>> that interfaces with USB deices, but I don't know enough about Android to
>> build them in a way that works with LCB.
>> 
>> Here are a couple:
>> https://github.com/felHR85/UsbSerial
>> https://github.com/mik3y/usb-serial-for-android
>> 
>> Here is an example of using the first one:
>> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/projects/communicate-with-your-arduino-through-android/
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:25 AM, General 2018 via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi ,
>>> 
>>> I have seen questions raised over platform support for Serial Com ports
>>> and cannot seem to find a conclusive answer for Android  and IOS.
>>> 
>>> On Windows I use serial data over USB and Bluetooth , this all works fine
>>> with LC.
>>> 
>>> I want to migrate to Android - so with LC is serial over USB and Bluetooth
>>> possible ?
>>> Many Android apps currently us this but need LC too.
>>> 
>>> The only option for IOS is WIFI connection.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Camm
> 
> 
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From General.2018 at outlook.com  Thu Jul  5 13:41:10 2018
From: General.2018 at outlook.com (General 2018)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 17:41:10 +0000
Subject: Future support for Serial Coms
In-Reply-To: <LO2P265MB039947FE8DC35CCC084A3B878F400@LO2P265MB0399.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: b13gfBtV0LzLib13kfYneO, <07bd01d4146d$8c638470$a52a8d50$@net>,
	<LO2P265MB039947FE8DC35CCC084A3B878F400@LO2P265MB0399.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CWLP265MB038827684EC31A3AE8B654AD8F400@CWLP265MB0388.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Just to add , 

LC works with Bluetooth on Windows using the Bluetooth SPP (Serial Port Profile). 
Bluetooth was originally designed to replace wired serial coms.
So on LC Windows just treats it as a serial comport - wired or not !

Regards
Camm

> On 5 Jul 2018, at 16:00, General 2018 via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Douglas ,
> 
> Serial over Bluetooth on all Windows with LC - Yes , but as you say it is seen as a Com port.
> 
> I have a Bluetooth device that needs serial commands - Windows sees this as a Bluetooth device (in the loaded driver VCP should be ticked) I then pair it and use LC with the standard com port commands.
> 
> I second all your other points and we can only hope that LC gets this for Android.
> 
> 
> Regards Camm
> 
>> On 5 Jul 2018, at 15:36, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Cam .. you mention that you have Windows working with LC "over USB and *Bluetooth*" ...???  Really?  Can you describe more details about using Bluetooth / Windows / LC?  As far as I know, the ONLY implementation for Bluetooth from LC is Monte Goulding's "mergBLE" which exclusively runs on iOS.  If, on the other hand, you are actually talking about using serial / USB (likely via a USB-to-serial module/adaptor like an FT232) on Windows or Mac, then LC sees these devices as simple "COM" ports and works perfectly well.  But Bluetooth... NO.  So, I'm VERY interested if you have a Bluetooth - LC working combination on Windows!
>> 
>> Serial/USB functionality on iOS is so complicated, it's a joke!  After submitting some sort of detailed "review" of your needs to Apple, they might "sell" you a customized chip which you must integrate into your receiving device.... if your implementation meets their stringent criteria.  No ... I'm NOT kidding!  And then you're still on your own to find a way to integrate the necessary Xcode into LC... good luck with THAT!!
>> 
>> But, hey, I'm not bitter!
>> 
>> LC development *might* consider developing a Bluetooth library for Android if someone (like the LC community, for example) pays them to do so.  I have no problem with that.... other than the price tag for a one-man-show.  According to Iain Morrison from LC:
>> 
>> "... I am truly sorry to inform you that we will not be able to help on this occasion for this work. Our team are completely tied up at the moment on multiple projects and for the foreseeable future I don't think they will be working on any projects of value less than $1,000 per day. Perhaps you could get in touch with a few of the LC developers that you mentioned to see if they would be interested in crowd funding the work, if you can let me know and I will get one of the devs to have a look at a specification and price. As it stands I would probably put a guide price on it of $5k...."
>> 
>> I don't have the wherewithal to implement a KickStarter (or some other crowd-funding methodology) campaign... but I'd *sure* would be interested and contribute to one for this purpose.  I see the lack of Bluetooth support as being a huge gap in LC's functionality.
>> 
>> I have offered (and do so again) for anyone from THIS community with expertise in Android and LC external code integration to consider a project involving either USB/Serial and/or BlueTooth implementation on Android.  I have a full Java library from Adafruit for Android for a specific BLE module which needs integration into LC.  I am, sorry-to-say, completely Java ignorant so I can't even get to first base with this, myself.
>> 
>> I'd invite the rest of this community to consider the possibility of funding the development of a Bluetooth library for Android and voice their opinions on the matter.  I'd also like to hear if anyone would be willing to initiate a crowd-funding campaign for such a venture and what the level of interest is for this functionality. At approx $5,000 it would only take 50 of us contributing $100 to reach such a goal.  Sounds reasonable.
>> 
>> Douglas Ruisaard
>> Trilogy Software
>> (250) 573-3935
>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> 
>>> There is not currently a library available that does what you want.  With
>>> LCB, you could package your own.  There are a couple of packages with code
>>> that interfaces with USB deices, but I don't know enough about Android to
>>> build them in a way that works with LCB.
>>> 
>>> Here are a couple:
>>> https://github.com/felHR85/UsbSerial
>>> https://github.com/mik3y/usb-serial-for-android
>>> 
>>> Here is an example of using the first one:
>>> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/projects/communicate-with-your-arduino-through-android/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:25 AM, General 2018 via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi ,
>>>> 
>>>> I have seen questions raised over platform support for Serial Com ports
>>>> and cannot seem to find a conclusive answer for Android  and IOS.
>>>> 
>>>> On Windows I use serial data over USB and Bluetooth , this all works fine
>>>> with LC.
>>>> 
>>>> I want to migrate to Android - so with LC is serial over USB and Bluetooth
>>>> possible ?
>>>> Many Android apps currently us this but need LC too.
>>>> 
>>>> The only option for IOS is WIFI connection.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> Camm
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Jul  5 13:45:31 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 17:45:31 +0000
Subject: Mastering TS Net
In-Reply-To: <A94DD673-44D0-4A13-A7C4-B1B997133B12@hindu.org>
References: <C6F79403-FF07-419F-B3A0-02DFA04847D6@hindu.org>
	<EDA5723B-6AE3-4F5B-863E-7B9A03443FB9@techstrategies.com.au>
	<A94DD673-44D0-4A13-A7C4-B1B997133B12@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <6749FA63-1C0C-4BDD-B041-BCA41C1362A6@hindu.org>

With TSGetNet, is it possible to just get the "status code" ("200" is good, "404" it bad, among other things)

Of a file on a webserver, *before* you download it? If it is a 404 you "bail on the operation", in form the user "Not Found"  but if it is 200, continue to stream it?

Brahmanathaswami
 

?On 7/2/18, 5:19 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    I looked at the lesson. Quite good!
    
    I think one more lesson may be useful. 
    
    In my case I will use a "slide show"  as a use case.
    
    (But there others, thinking of streaming music playlist)
    
    1) Assume you have the URLs for a slideshow; 
    2) you fetch this by calling JSON/Text file with the urls for a slide show which exists on the server.
    3) Let say you have 100 slides/URLs
    4) Galleria (our web app jquery/html5) uses "lazyload 3" parameter, which asynchronously loads the next the 3 slides (besides the one you are viewing) in the background, then users view the next slide (already downloaded) -there is no delay.
    
    So, with TSNetGet
    
    How would set this up Livecode?
    
    You don't want to "overwhelm" the phone with async calls to 100 connections/slide. (Galleria suggests "3")
    
    But there is the advantage of taking the call back message,  get 3 at a time, store them in the documents folder, finally the user has the slides show on his phone, later he can view it off line. 
    
    At the retrieval of the 100th slide, then we informed the user "Slideshow is download complete."
    
    It the user "bails" on slide 36, when he comes back again. TSNetGet starts over but the only which slide 37.
    
    That last part may not want to part of your lessons. Though it would be easy enough to check "these is a file" and if it is true, then TSGetNet, so "next repeat" without downloading.
    
    I could work this out myself, but is such a common use case, everyone would benefit from it.
    
    Brahmanathaswami
     
    
    On 7/1/18, 3:40 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Charles Warwick via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    
        If you can?t quite find an example lesson that answers what you need, let me know and I will get one organised.
    
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Jul  5 23:43:12 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 23:43:12 -0400
Subject: Capture Keystrokes & MouseMovements without being in focus?
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJ53E0ja50Naf2H4U1iKx02HuYEyLhiQ_qBGZtnXt3dww@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

Is it possible to still trigger the rawKey message or the mousemove
message? when the LC stack is not in focus?

I know can can sort of create my own mousemove message by tracking the
absolute (or is it relative) location of the mouse

but the rawkey up message seems like a no go for any kind of workaround

is there something i don't know about?

on rawup

I want to add 1 to MyStats["Keystrokes"]

end rawup

I'm afraid the answer is no....so unless by some miracle ...

Thank you.


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 00:23:16 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 22:23:16 -0600
Subject: Capture Keystrokes & MouseMovements without being in focus?
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJ53E0ja50Naf2H4U1iKx02HuYEyLhiQ_qBGZtnXt3dww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJ53E0ja50Naf2H4U1iKx02HuYEyLhiQ_qBGZtnXt3dww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoVd6C_2OFNsDYYT=CE7Jrdpz6itbNEQAcAiP9ropV4iQ@mail.gmail.com>

The only way I know of is to start a relatively fast send loop and check
the keysdown().  For some things it works fine but for most other things
its not a good answer since you can see if a key is down, but not how long
its down, or tell if it has been pressed, then pressed again before the
next loop cycle. All you can do is see that the key IS down.

If you wanted to say.. Have a loop processing something in the background,
you could have it check the keysdown for <whatever keys you want here> and
if they're present, use revspeak to say how far along the process is.  If
you want to do a real, accurate logging of keys though, I'd say its a no go.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:43 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Is it possible to still trigger the rawKey message or the mousemove
> message? when the LC stack is not in focus?
>
> I know can can sort of create my own mousemove message by tracking the
> absolute (or is it relative) location of the mouse
>
> but the rawkey up message seems like a no go for any kind of workaround
>
> is there something i don't know about?
>
> on rawup
>
> I want to add 1 to MyStats["Keystrokes"]
>
> end rawup
>
> I'm afraid the answer is no....so unless by some miracle ...
>
> Thank you.
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Fri Jul  6 00:53:29 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 00:53:29 -0400
Subject: Capture Keystrokes & MouseMovements without being in focus?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoVd6C_2OFNsDYYT=CE7Jrdpz6itbNEQAcAiP9ropV4iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJ53E0ja50Naf2H4U1iKx02HuYEyLhiQ_qBGZtnXt3dww@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoVd6C_2OFNsDYYT=CE7Jrdpz6itbNEQAcAiP9ropV4iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+_Uy59nhBVT-bY-9M41WmftokDsrBkmvgratp3QuSmKA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike, actually the main problem I was facing is getting a hotkey press
detected when another stack is in focus ....I think this function will
allow me to do that.

The keystroke counter was  something i wanted to do but can live without.
Thanks, I will try this tomorrow ...i don't see why it wouldn't work for
what I need.

there is always an answer i guess. this community rocks.

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:23 AM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The only way I know of is to start a relatively fast send loop and check
> the keysdown().  For some things it works fine but for most other things
> its not a good answer since you can see if a key is down, but not how long
> its down, or tell if it has been pressed, then pressed again before the
> next loop cycle. All you can do is see that the key IS down.
>
> If you wanted to say.. Have a loop processing something in the background,
> you could have it check the keysdown for <whatever keys you want here> and
> if they're present, use revspeak to say how far along the process is.  If
> you want to do a real, accurate logging of keys though, I'd say its a no
> go.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:43 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Is it possible to still trigger the rawKey message or the mousemove
> > message? when the LC stack is not in focus?
> >
> > I know can can sort of create my own mousemove message by tracking the
> > absolute (or is it relative) location of the mouse
> >
> > but the rawkey up message seems like a no go for any kind of workaround
> >
> > is there something i don't know about?
> >
> > on rawup
> >
> > I want to add 1 to MyStats["Keystrokes"]
> >
> > end rawup
> >
> > I'm afraid the answer is no....so unless by some miracle ...
> >
> > Thank you.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 02:23:22 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 00:23:22 -0600
Subject: Capture Keystrokes & MouseMovements without being in focus?
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+_Uy59nhBVT-bY-9M41WmftokDsrBkmvgratp3QuSmKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJ53E0ja50Naf2H4U1iKx02HuYEyLhiQ_qBGZtnXt3dww@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoVd6C_2OFNsDYYT=CE7Jrdpz6itbNEQAcAiP9ropV4iQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJL+_Uy59nhBVT-bY-9M41WmftokDsrBkmvgratp3QuSmKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSo6CXhpTc02-MqJ4jwc+8U2_XC8wxdcy0cayuWBp=D5Dw@mail.gmail.com>

Cool, yep.  For that purpose it should work great.

Its interesting when using this method for a game.. One can be typing code
into the script editor, and the game does interesting things because its
still looping.  Not that I have ever inadvertently done such a thing...

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:53 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike, actually the main problem I was facing is getting a hotkey press
> detected when another stack is in focus ....I think this function will
> allow me to do that.
>
> The keystroke counter was  something i wanted to do but can live without.
> Thanks, I will try this tomorrow ...i don't see why it wouldn't work for
> what I need.
>
> there is always an answer i guess. this community rocks.
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:23 AM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > The only way I know of is to start a relatively fast send loop and check
> > the keysdown().  For some things it works fine but for most other things
> > its not a good answer since you can see if a key is down, but not how
> long
> > its down, or tell if it has been pressed, then pressed again before the
> > next loop cycle. All you can do is see that the key IS down.
> >
> > If you wanted to say.. Have a loop processing something in the
> background,
> > you could have it check the keysdown for <whatever keys you want here>
> and
> > if they're present, use revspeak to say how far along the process is.  If
> > you want to do a real, accurate logging of keys though, I'd say its a no
> > go.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:43 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > Is it possible to still trigger the rawKey message or the mousemove
> > > message? when the LC stack is not in focus?
> > >
> > > I know can can sort of create my own mousemove message by tracking the
> > > absolute (or is it relative) location of the mouse
> > >
> > > but the rawkey up message seems like a no go for any kind of workaround
> > >
> > > is there something i don't know about?
> > >
> > > on rawup
> > >
> > > I want to add 1 to MyStats["Keystrokes"]
> > >
> > > end rawup
> > >
> > > I'm afraid the answer is no....so unless by some miracle ...
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
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From dougr at telus.net  Fri Jul  6 10:52:20 2018
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas Ruisaard)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 07:52:20 -0700
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 178, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: bNXGfvr1m2nwVbNXLf9hJz
References: bNXGfvr1m2nwVbNXLf9hJz
Message-ID: <082301d41538$f2ef2de0$d8cd89a0$@net>

Cam ... would you please provide the specifics on the serial to Bluetooth device you're referring to?  Make / model/ etc.  for my needs, it has to be a serial to BLE device ... which there is at least one from:

http://www.usconverters.com/bluetooth-smart-low-energy-rs232-serial

I'm designing a BLE-enabled Arduino project using an Adafruit BLE module.  Since this topic is moving off of the LC aspect, you are welcome to contact me via email dougr at telus.net

Douglas Ruisaard
Trilogy Software
(250) 573-3935

> Douglas ,
> 
> Serial over Bluetooth on all Windows with LC - Yes , but as you say it is seen as a Com port.
> 
> I have a Bluetooth device that needs serial commands - Windows sees this as a Bluetooth device (in the
> loaded driver VCP should be ticked) I then pair it and use LC with the standard com port commands.
> 
> I second all your other points and we can only hope that LC gets this for Android.
> 
> 
> Regards Camm
> 




From dougr at telus.net  Fri Jul  6 10:55:37 2018
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas Ruisaard)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 07:55:37 -0700
Subject: Future support for Serial Coms
References: bNXGfvr1m2nwVbNXLf9hJz 
Message-ID: <082401d41539$67bfa8c0$373efa40$@net>

Sorry, I sent the previous message with the WRONG subject line.... please replace it with this one...
 
 Cam ... would you please provide the specifics on the serial to Bluetooth device you're referring to?
 Make / model/ etc.  for my needs, it has to be a serial to BLE device ... which there is at least one
 from:
 
http://www.usconverters.com/bluetooth-smart-low-energy-rs232-serial

 I'm designing a BLE-enabled Arduino project using an Adafruit BLE module.  Since this topic is moving
 off of the LC aspect, you are welcome to contact me via email dougr at telus.net

 Douglas Ruisaard
 Trilogy Software
 (250) 573-3935
 
> > Douglas ,
> >
> > Serial over Bluetooth on all Windows with LC - Yes , but as you say it is seen as a Com port.
> >
> > I have a Bluetooth device that needs serial commands - Windows sees
> > this as a Bluetooth device (in the loaded driver VCP should be ticked) I then pair it and use LC
> with the standard com port commands.
> >
> > I second all your other points and we can only hope that LC gets this for Android.
> >
> >
> > Regards Camm
> >




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul  6 12:06:19 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 12:06:19 -0400
Subject: odbc "information type out of range"
Message-ID: <CADCoycPc_6AqojncK5KCJfR=k+ZV7M4LZmyZKQHJi-MiueGomg@mail.gmail.com>

I've got an odbc database that I'm trying to write to.  From a tool like
valentina it works fine, but in LC I'm getting "Information type out of
range" from the driver.
The line that fails is
insert into employee (empno) values (-1)

employee is defined as a double.  Again, that very same line in
valentina works.
I'm using LC 9.0

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul  6 12:14:07 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 12:14:07 -0400
Subject: odbc "information type out of range"
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPc_6AqojncK5KCJfR=k+ZV7M4LZmyZKQHJi-MiueGomg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPc_6AqojncK5KCJfR=k+ZV7M4LZmyZKQHJi-MiueGomg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPTh4c=5iF_p4NAvwBEDU2QP0x4QwCX==uCUAKcSa8G1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm.  How about this:  The insert is actually succeeding, but I'm getting
the error.

select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 0
insert into employee (empno) values (-1) -> "revdberr,[Microsoft][ODBC
Driver Manager] Information type out of range"
select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 1
delete from employee where empno = -1 -> "revdberr,[Microsoft][ODBC Driver
Manager] Information type out of range"
select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 0


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul  6 12:46:36 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 12:46:36 -0400
Subject: odbc "information type out of range"
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPc_6AqojncK5KCJfR=k+ZV7M4LZmyZKQHJi-MiueGomg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPc_6AqojncK5KCJfR=k+ZV7M4LZmyZKQHJi-MiueGomg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003601d41548$ea475900$bed60b00$@net>

Mike,

What DB engine and odbc driver version are you using? Mac, Windows, Mobile?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
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Of Mike Kerner via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2018 12:06 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Mike Kerner
Subject: odbc "information type out of range"

I've got an odbc database that I'm trying to write to.  From a tool like
valentina it works fine, but in LC I'm getting "Information type out of
range" from the driver.
The line that fails is
insert into employee (empno) values (-1)

employee is defined as a double.  Again, that very same line in valentina
works.
I'm using LC 9.0

--
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day,
God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul  6 12:49:31 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 16:49:31 +0000
Subject: odbc "information type out of range"
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPc_6AqojncK5KCJfR=k+ZV7M4LZmyZKQHJi-MiueGomg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPc_6AqojncK5KCJfR=k+ZV7M4LZmyZKQHJi-MiueGomg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBE4730F-5DA3-4088-8A3B-D4DC1615F1DC@iotecdigital.com>

Is empno an auto incrementing column? 

Bob S


> On Jul 6, 2018, at 09:06 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I've got an odbc database that I'm trying to write to.  From a tool like
> valentina it works fine, but in LC I'm getting "Information type out of
> range" from the driver.
> The line that fails is
> insert into employee (empno) values (-1)




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 13:04:06 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 11:04:06 -0600
Subject: odbc "information type out of range"
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPTh4c=5iF_p4NAvwBEDU2QP0x4QwCX==uCUAKcSa8G1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPc_6AqojncK5KCJfR=k+ZV7M4LZmyZKQHJi-MiueGomg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPTh4c=5iF_p4NAvwBEDU2QP0x4QwCX==uCUAKcSa8G1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpatuWUwujxBoOgkJkomsLknOdjwwZVkZZ_N0oXpFfVXQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have no way to test it, but if you change your insert to..
insert into employee (empno) values (double(-1))

Does it make a difference?


On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 10:14 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hmmm.  How about this:  The insert is actually succeeding, but I'm getting
> the error.
>
> select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 0
> insert into employee (empno) values (-1) -> "revdberr,[Microsoft][ODBC
> Driver Manager] Information type out of range"
> select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 1
> delete from employee where empno = -1 -> "revdberr,[Microsoft][ODBC Driver
> Manager] Information type out of range"
> select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 0
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From gwjapp at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 15:48:03 2018
From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabe J)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 14:48:03 -0500
Subject: LiveCode 6.6.3 crashing and saving only part of a stack file
Message-ID: <CADJRyz1f8taim=i0df7RWoRkOHv9rdxmBE47ztmFQrQEP1zkPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We have a recurring problem where on one of our computers, LiveCode 6.6.3
crashes (segmentation fault, signal 11) while saving a stack file, and only
writes part of the file. The crash report says the last function called is
a C function called getfontattsnew(). From what I understand of the crash
report, it looks to me it looks like LiveCode was trying to get font info
for a field, and then crashes. It only happens on one computer, which leads
us to believe that there might be a font on that computer that is crashing
LiveCode.

Has anyone else had an issue with a font (or something font-related)
crashing LiveCode during saving, and how we might go about debugging this?
(I've compiled LiveCode 6.6.3 with some custom output related to
getfontattsnew()/the saving process that might be able to tell us some
more, but I'm wondering if anyone else has had this problem).

Thanks,

Gabe


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul  6 17:35:14 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 17:35:14 -0400
Subject: odbc "information type out of range"
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpatuWUwujxBoOgkJkomsLknOdjwwZVkZZ_N0oXpFfVXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPc_6AqojncK5KCJfR=k+ZV7M4LZmyZKQHJi-MiueGomg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPTh4c=5iF_p4NAvwBEDU2QP0x4QwCX==uCUAKcSa8G1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpatuWUwujxBoOgkJkomsLknOdjwwZVkZZ_N0oXpFfVXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMtGk_6d=e+onTf1tr2S6x2M5xug+Cn9zRsKczqQERShQ@mail.gmail.com>

The bizarre parts are
a) No errors returned from Valentina
b) The operations succeed but I get an error, almost like LC is sending
something extra to the ODBC driver.

Ralph:
Windows, connecting to Marxmeier's SQL/R (which is connecting to eloquence,
a legacy mainframe environment for HP).

Bob
No

mike,
That gives me

revdberr,[Marxmeier][SQL/R ODBC Server]37000 - Unexpected symbol (#1)

syntax error near "("


Unexpected symbol or invalid SQL/R language statement.


On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:04 PM Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have no way to test it, but if you change your insert to..
> insert into employee (empno) values (double(-1))
>
> Does it make a difference?
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 10:14 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hmmm.  How about this:  The insert is actually succeeding, but I'm
> getting
> > the error.
> >
> > select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 0
> > insert into employee (empno) values (-1) -> "revdberr,[Microsoft][ODBC
> > Driver Manager] Information type out of range"
> > select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 1
> > delete from employee where empno = -1 -> "revdberr,[Microsoft][ODBC
> Driver
> > Manager] Information type out of range"
> > select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 0
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 17:52:01 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 15:52:01 -0600
Subject: odbc "information type out of range"
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMtGk_6d=e+onTf1tr2S6x2M5xug+Cn9zRsKczqQERShQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPc_6AqojncK5KCJfR=k+ZV7M4LZmyZKQHJi-MiueGomg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPTh4c=5iF_p4NAvwBEDU2QP0x4QwCX==uCUAKcSa8G1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpatuWUwujxBoOgkJkomsLknOdjwwZVkZZ_N0oXpFfVXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMtGk_6d=e+onTf1tr2S6x2M5xug+Cn9zRsKczqQERShQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrhaXo0=OPOgP9Ez2KRi7yiAEc49U_Rrf5OXeqhkJGLEw@mail.gmail.com>

Ah k. was hoping.

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 3:36 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The bizarre parts are
> a) No errors returned from Valentina
> b) The operations succeed but I get an error, almost like LC is sending
> something extra to the ODBC driver.
>
> Ralph:
> Windows, connecting to Marxmeier's SQL/R (which is connecting to eloquence,
> a legacy mainframe environment for HP).
>
> Bob
> No
>
> mike,
> That gives me
>
> revdberr,[Marxmeier][SQL/R ODBC Server]37000 - Unexpected symbol (#1)
>
> syntax error near "("
>
>
> Unexpected symbol or invalid SQL/R language statement.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:04 PM Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I have no way to test it, but if you change your insert to..
> > insert into employee (empno) values (double(-1))
> >
> > Does it make a difference?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 10:14 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hmmm.  How about this:  The insert is actually succeeding, but I'm
> > getting
> > > the error.
> > >
> > > select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 0
> > > insert into employee (empno) values (-1) -> "revdberr,[Microsoft][ODBC
> > > Driver Manager] Information type out of range"
> > > select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 1
> > > delete from employee where empno = -1 -> "revdberr,[Microsoft][ODBC
> > Driver
> > > Manager] Information type out of range"
> > > select count (*) from employee where empno=-1 -> 0
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Jul  7 19:15:39 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 19:15:39 -0400
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption going up on stack
	that isn't doing much?
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKB46XoTT=J=S37-iRrYczOBsxiwRuNtKaA1CeMHFi7qw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I have a stack that has 2 or 3 self perpetuating messages which do a few
checks and the like....they run every 250 milliseconds or so.

There is no input data into the program unless I specifically send it there.

but while my program is sitting there ....repeating its loops and checks
for incoming input ...... the memory consumption is steadily going up by .1
megabytes at a time.

I have watched my global variables , there is nothing being added to them
and most handlers have local variables that clear out when the handler
finishes.

This happens in IDE and standalone.

This app is made to stay in memory so this is not acceptable, because after
2 days it will get up to 2gb or whatever....so i cannot let this remain.

maybe if i let it sit there it will eventually clear out ..but i haven't
seen that happen yet.

I just don't know where to look.  maybe i just found a memory leak
....Thanks for any input


From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Jul  7 19:20:51 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 19:20:51 -0400
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption going up on
	stack that isn't doing much?
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLKB46XoTT=J=S37-iRrYczOBsxiwRuNtKaA1CeMHFi7qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKB46XoTT=J=S37-iRrYczOBsxiwRuNtKaA1CeMHFi7qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+ubyfovf1S6YzUFHE_3g7py_jzpGsaQBm00udyHjHo8A@mail.gmail.com>

So i've been watching this running standalone a while .... and it seems to
have stopped for now...I'm going to keep it running and see how high up it
gets.

Its like the engine is caching system events or something .... I'll post
again in a few hours to see if its gotten any higher than this.....

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:15 PM, Tom Glod <tom at makeshyft.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I have a stack that has 2 or 3 self perpetuating messages which do a few
> checks and the like....they run every 250 milliseconds or so.
>
> There is no input data into the program unless I specifically send it
> there.
>
> but while my program is sitting there ....repeating its loops and checks
> for incoming input ...... the memory consumption is steadily going up by .1
> megabytes at a time.
>
> I have watched my global variables , there is nothing being added to them
> and most handlers have local variables that clear out when the handler
> finishes.
>
> This happens in IDE and standalone.
>
> This app is made to stay in memory so this is not acceptable, because
> after 2 days it will get up to 2gb or whatever....so i cannot let this
> remain.
>
> maybe if i let it sit there it will eventually clear out ..but i haven't
> seen that happen yet.
>
> I just don't know where to look.  maybe i just found a memory leak
> ....Thanks for any input
>
>
>


From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jul  7 20:09:54 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 20:09:54 -0400
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption going up
	on stack that isn't doing much?
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+ubyfovf1S6YzUFHE_3g7py_jzpGsaQBm00udyHjHo8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKB46XoTT=J=S37-iRrYczOBsxiwRuNtKaA1CeMHFi7qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJL+ubyfovf1S6YzUFHE_3g7py_jzpGsaQBm00udyHjHo8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d8b976f-4632-4a05-8a21-55ebe550ed52@Spark>

Is it possible that multiple overlapping messages are being spawned?

You mention that the checks happen every 250ms... are you doing a send in time at the end of the check or at the start?

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 7, 2018, 7:21 PM -0400, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> So i've been watching this running standalone a while .... and it seems to
> have stopped for now...I'm going to keep it running and see how high up it
> gets.
>
> Its like the engine is caching system events or something .... I'll post
> again in a few hours to see if its gotten any higher than this.....
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:15 PM, Tom Glod <tom at makeshyft.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I have a stack that has 2 or 3 self perpetuating messages which do a few
> > checks and the like....they run every 250 milliseconds or so.
> >
> > There is no input data into the program unless I specifically send it
> > there.
> >
> > but while my program is sitting there ....repeating its loops and checks
> > for incoming input ...... the memory consumption is steadily going up by .1
> > megabytes at a time.
> >
> > I have watched my global variables , there is nothing being added to them
> > and most handlers have local variables that clear out when the handler
> > finishes.
> >
> > This happens in IDE and standalone.
> >
> > This app is made to stay in memory so this is not acceptable, because
> > after 2 days it will get up to 2gb or whatever....so i cannot let this
> > remain.
> >
> > maybe if i let it sit there it will eventually clear out ..but i haven't
> > seen that happen yet.
> >
> > I just don't know where to look. maybe i just found a memory leak
> > ....Thanks for any input
> >
> >
> >
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From brahma at hindu.org  Sat Jul  7 21:28:01 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 01:28:01 +0000
Subject: Standalone in IDE Test Works; But Not From SA 
Message-ID: <BC10988B-065B-4996-9A91-BC4A867C49A0@hindu.org>

LC 8.1.10 
iOS 11.4 on the iPhone

1) I can been able to push update from the IDE

  Develop
         Test
                myIphone   # it works on the phone

2) So know to go to SA build to create a version.
    Xcode
         Devices
              Select My Phone 
                     Add the App

  It crashed the moment it is launched.

Xcode says

"Could not locate support files)
This iPhone 7 (Model 1661,784,1785,1786) is running iOS 11.3(15F79), which many not be SSupported by this verSions of Xcode."

So, it builds from the IDE Test menu, but on Standalone Builder

Why?

BR


From dougr at telus.net  Sun Jul  8 12:42:20 2018
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas Ruisaard)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 09:42:20 -0700
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption ...
In-Reply-To: c6UGfbvsMIZDac6ULf4yqS
References: c6UGfbvsMIZDac6ULf4yqS
Message-ID: <08dd01d416da$a4b9d230$ee2d7690$@net>

To help determine if Brian's suggestion is occurring, you could put the following line in your "self perpetuating" code (assuming you're not running the code on a Mobile device which have no "messsage box") just before the "send... in x time ":

put the pendingmessages

If you see ANY output, then you've got multiple overlapping messages ... again, this assumes you only have ONE "loop" running.  Perhaps you can send the "offending" section of code for analysis?

Douglas Ruisaard
Trilogy Software
(250) 573-3935
> 
> Is it possible that multiple overlapping messages are being spawned?
> 
> You mention that the checks happen every 250ms... are you doing a send in time at the end of the check
> or at the start?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> On Jul 7, 2018, 7:21 PM -0400, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> > So i've been watching this running standalone a while .... and it
> > seems to have stopped for now...I'm going to keep it running and see
> > how high up it gets.
> >
> > Its like the engine is caching system events or something .... I'll
> > post again in a few hours to see if its gotten any higher than this.....
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 7:15 PM, Tom Glod <tom at makeshyft.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > I have a stack that has 2 or 3 self perpetuating messages which do a
> > > few checks and the like....they run every 250 milliseconds or so.
> > >
> > > There is no input data into the program unless I specifically send
> > > it there.
> > >
> > > but while my program is sitting there ....repeating its loops and
> > > checks for incoming input ...... the memory consumption is steadily
> > > going up by .1 megabytes at a time.
> > >
> > > I have watched my global variables , there is nothing being added to
> > > them and most handlers have local variables that clear out when the
> > > handler finishes.
> > >
> > > This happens in IDE and standalone.
> > >
> > > This app is made to stay in memory so this is not acceptable,
> > > because after 2 days it will get up to 2gb or whatever....so i
> > > cannot let this remain.
> > >
> > > maybe if i let it sit there it will eventually clear out ..but i
> > > haven't seen that happen yet.
> > >
> > > I just don't know where to look. maybe i just found a memory leak
> > > ....Thanks for any input
> > >




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 13:06:14 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 11:06:14 -0600
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption ...
In-Reply-To: <08dd01d416da$a4b9d230$ee2d7690$@net>
References: <08dd01d416da$a4b9d230$ee2d7690$@net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoiqK0_OpUe_wduEs2WAuB4EfV89_vJTO79SZHDrdQBkw@mail.gmail.com>

Or alternatively, check the pendingmessages and only send if there is not
already a message for the handler in question in queue.

I've had situations (in my case, bad coding) where I thought I was starting
a looping handler once ,but had left a call to that handler elsewhere
accidentally during the re-think process.  In those cases, even if it is a
seldom run handler that has the mistake, every time it is called, a new
instance of the loop starts.  In my case, (since I have trouble tracking
details as complexity grows beyond a certain point.. Small scale I'm great,
large scale, not so much) I've just made it a habit to always do the
pendingmessage check before sending again.  (I have lots of little rules
like this to help me manage my own personal limitations in a consistent
way.. Like always including a way to exit a tight repeat loop during
development at least, to avoid issues with runaways.)

Hmm. I tend to run on about things lately don't I?  Feel free to ignore any
extraneous blab.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:42 AM Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> To help determine if Brian's suggestion is occurring, you could put the
> following line in your "self perpetuating" code (assuming you're not
> running the code on a Mobile device which have no "messsage box") just
> before the "send... in x time ":
>
> put the pendingmessages
>
> If you see ANY output, then you've got multiple overlapping messages ...
> again, this assumes you only have ONE "loop" running.  Perhaps you can send
> the "offending" section of code for analysis?
>
>
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul  8 15:05:11 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 14:05:11 -0500
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption ...
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoiqK0_OpUe_wduEs2WAuB4EfV89_vJTO79SZHDrdQBkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <08dd01d416da$a4b9d230$ee2d7690$@net>
	<CAG1cpSoiqK0_OpUe_wduEs2WAuB4EfV89_vJTO79SZHDrdQBkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <301f0336-6b0f-cf0a-c13b-18be7ea566cc@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/8/18 12:06 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> Or alternatively, check the pendingmessages and only send if there is not
> already a message for the handler in question in queue.

Like you, this is something I always do:

if "myMsg" is not in the pendingMessages then
   send "myMsg" to me in 250 milliseconds
end if

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From christer at mindcrea.com  Mon Jul  9 07:04:25 2018
From: christer at mindcrea.com (=?utf-8?Q?Pyyhti=C3=A4_Christer?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:04:25 +0300
Subject: ScreenRect
Message-ID: <0F0E3A71-3A96-4795-B9BC-B689194B406A@mindcrea.com>

Using LiveCode 9.0GM on Android 8.0.0, the screenRect gives 1080 x 2031, but the phone (Samsung Galaxy Note 8) has 1440 x 2960.  What do I do wrong?

Using LC command 

	set the pixelScale to the systemPixelscale

kills the app in the Android device.  Removing this command makes it run with no problem.

rgds

Christer Pyyhti?
MindCrea Ltd
christer at mindcrea.com




From merakosp at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 08:43:22 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:43:22 +0100
Subject: Standalone in IDE Test Works; But Not From SA
In-Reply-To: <BC10988B-065B-4996-9A91-BC4A867C49A0@hindu.org>
References: <BC10988B-065B-4996-9A91-BC4A867C49A0@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_Os9axsTggUe53=sjpE5vywJyTTfZs=LeQJwk3jsfcZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brahmanathaswami,

This does sound strange. I would expect either to successfully install the
app to your phone in both cases, or to fail in both, as the "Test" button
uses mergDeploy to install the app, which essentially does what Xcode does,
but all in one button.

Does the device log from Xcode show anything useful the moment the app
crashes?

Best,
Panos
--

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> LC 8.1.10
> iOS 11.4 on the iPhone
>
> 1) I can been able to push update from the IDE
>
>   Develop
>          Test
>                 myIphone   # it works on the phone
>
> 2) So know to go to SA build to create a version.
>     Xcode
>          Devices
>               Select My Phone
>                      Add the App
>
>   It crashed the moment it is launched.
>
> Xcode says
>
> "Could not locate support files)
> This iPhone 7 (Model 1661,784,1785,1786) is running iOS 11.3(15F79), which
> many not be SSupported by this verSions of Xcode."
>
> So, it builds from the IDE Test menu, but on Standalone Builder
>
> Why?
>
> BR
>
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jul  9 09:00:27 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:00:27 +0100
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 136
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8yHc+y=6dYDmPXGR5cwxKYRRsAc6fo+uUNVO3KYUwe_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

        Read issue #136 here: https://goo.gl/5GBXt7

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.


-- 
Panagiotis Merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
LiveCode Software Developer

Everyone Can Create Apps <https://livecode.com>


From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jul  9 10:13:53 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 10:13:53 -0400
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption ...
In-Reply-To: <301f0336-6b0f-cf0a-c13b-18be7ea566cc@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <08dd01d416da$a4b9d230$ee2d7690$@net>
	<CAG1cpSoiqK0_OpUe_wduEs2WAuB4EfV89_vJTO79SZHDrdQBkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<301f0336-6b0f-cf0a-c13b-18be7ea566cc@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLLg=mYLToXHg7b+Mp5G6Hcq7iwCFcp+Ukzwng79yzsnCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Douglas and Jaquie.... thank you for your input..I have double checked
my code and indeed my loop is safe from overlapping messages....I've been
working with schedulers for a while...  still not sure what could be
causing it..but it doesn't seem to get out of hand and clears itself out
periodically and returns to its base consumption (assuming no input).

thanks again

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 3:05 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 7/8/18 12:06 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Or alternatively, check the pendingmessages and only send if there is not
>> already a message for the handler in question in queue.
>>
>
> Like you, this is something I always do:
>
> if "myMsg" is not in the pendingMessages then
>   send "myMsg" to me in 250 milliseconds
> end if
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Mon Jul  9 10:16:35 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:16:35 -0400
Subject: Standalone in IDE Test Works; But Not From SA
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_Os9axsTggUe53=sjpE5vywJyTTfZs=LeQJwk3jsfcZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BC10988B-065B-4996-9A91-BC4A867C49A0@hindu.org>
	<CA+JfEq_Os9axsTggUe53=sjpE5vywJyTTfZs=LeQJwk3jsfcZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3CEB52FB-835E-4D86-9ACE-614BACA2C062@mac.com>

Hi Brahmanathaswami

I?ve seen similar messages in the past. All I did was drag the app a second time immediately after the error message and it loaded onto my iPad. 

There was one time that trick didn?t win. But I don?t remember the specific circumstances. 

be well,
randy
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com

> On Jul 9, 2018, at 8:43 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brahmanathaswami,
> 
> This does sound strange. I would expect either to successfully install the
> app to your phone in both cases, or to fail in both, as the "Test" button
> uses mergDeploy to install the app, which essentially does what Xcode does,
> but all in one button.
> 
> Does the device log from Xcode show anything useful the moment the app
> crashes?
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> LC 8.1.10
>> iOS 11.4 on the iPhone
>> 
>> 1) I can been able to push update from the IDE
>> 
>>  Develop
>>         Test
>>                myIphone   # it works on the phone
>> 
>> 2) So know to go to SA build to create a version.
>>    Xcode
>>         Devices
>>              Select My Phone
>>                     Add the App
>> 
>>  It crashed the moment it is launched.
>> 
>> Xcode says
>> 
>> "Could not locate support files)
>> This iPhone 7 (Model 1661,784,1785,1786) is running iOS 11.3(15F79), which
>> many not be SSupported by this verSions of Xcode."
>> 
>> So, it builds from the IDE Test menu, but on Standalone Builder
>> 
>> Why?
>> 
>> BR
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jul  9 10:24:20 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 10:24:20 -0400
Subject: ScreenRect
In-Reply-To: <0F0E3A71-3A96-4795-B9BC-B689194B406A@mindcrea.com>
References: <0F0E3A71-3A96-4795-B9BC-B689194B406A@mindcrea.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLLBcJQRsZwKF=4pbvFMtb=tmft0C7LcLqiVubffCggOtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I'm sorry I cannot help you in this regard, I'm sure someone else will
be able to help with the pixel scaling issue. you have.

but FYI.....I did try to send you an email in regards to your work with LC
and it bounced back.

Address not found
Your message wasn't delivered to *crister at mindcrea.com*because the address
couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail.
Thanks,

Tom

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 7:04 AM, Pyyhti? Christer via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Using LiveCode 9.0GM on Android 8.0.0, the screenRect gives 1080 x 2031,
> but the phone (Samsung Galaxy Note 8) has 1440 x 2960.  What do I do wrong?
>
> Using LC command
>
>         set the pixelScale to the systemPixelscale
>
> kills the app in the Android device.  Removing this command makes it run
> with no problem.
>
> rgds
>
> Christer Pyyhti?
> MindCrea Ltd
> christer at mindcrea.com
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  9 11:04:42 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:04:42 +0000
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption going up on
	stack	that isn't doing much?
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLKB46XoTT=J=S37-iRrYczOBsxiwRuNtKaA1CeMHFi7qw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKB46XoTT=J=S37-iRrYczOBsxiwRuNtKaA1CeMHFi7qw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F291C38-02F5-4D3A-A782-988FAEACAE3E@iotecdigital.com>

It may help to put a wait x milliseconds with messages in the repeat loop. This will give the engine a chance to do housecleaning. 

Bob S


> On Jul 7, 2018, at 16:15 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> I have a stack that has 2 or 3 self perpetuating messages which do a few
> checks and the like....they run every 250 milliseconds or so.
> 
> There is no input data into the program unless I specifically send it there.
> 
> but while my program is sitting there ....repeating its loops and checks
> for incoming input ...... the memory consumption is steadily going up by .1
> megabytes at a time.
> 
> I have watched my global variables , there is nothing being added to them
> and most handlers have local variables that clear out when the handler
> finishes.
> 
> This happens in IDE and standalone.
> 
> This app is made to stay in memory so this is not acceptable, because after
> 2 days it will get up to 2gb or whatever....so i cannot let this remain.
> 
> maybe if i let it sit there it will eventually clear out ..but i haven't
> seen that happen yet.
> 
> I just don't know where to look.  maybe i just found a memory leak
> ....Thanks for any input
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jul  9 11:30:13 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:30:13 -0400
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption going up on
	stack that isn't doing much?
In-Reply-To: <2F291C38-02F5-4D3A-A782-988FAEACAE3E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKB46XoTT=J=S37-iRrYczOBsxiwRuNtKaA1CeMHFi7qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2F291C38-02F5-4D3A-A782-988FAEACAE3E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+QTfrTrLNRrQ88VX6LdTpverZPDTt80i_n1Pk3KUtfRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Bob....I rarely do anything without waiting 0 milliseconds. :P

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It may help to put a wait x milliseconds with messages in the repeat loop.
> This will give the engine a chance to do housecleaning.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 2018, at 16:15 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I have a stack that has 2 or 3 self perpetuating messages which do a few
> > checks and the like....they run every 250 milliseconds or so.
> >
> > There is no input data into the program unless I specifically send it
> there.
> >
> > but while my program is sitting there ....repeating its loops and checks
> > for incoming input ...... the memory consumption is steadily going up by
> .1
> > megabytes at a time.
> >
> > I have watched my global variables , there is nothing being added to them
> > and most handlers have local variables that clear out when the handler
> > finishes.
> >
> > This happens in IDE and standalone.
> >
> > This app is made to stay in memory so this is not acceptable, because
> after
> > 2 days it will get up to 2gb or whatever....so i cannot let this remain.
> >
> > maybe if i let it sit there it will eventually clear out ..but i haven't
> > seen that happen yet.
> >
> > I just don't know where to look.  maybe i just found a memory leak
> > ....Thanks for any input
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  9 11:57:12 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:57:12 +0000
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption going up on
	stack that isn't doing much?
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+QTfrTrLNRrQ88VX6LdTpverZPDTt80i_n1Pk3KUtfRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKB46XoTT=J=S37-iRrYczOBsxiwRuNtKaA1CeMHFi7qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2F291C38-02F5-4D3A-A782-988FAEACAE3E@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAPzQJL+QTfrTrLNRrQ88VX6LdTpverZPDTt80i_n1Pk3KUtfRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5B51268-4F35-4F99-8C1E-E807727C3EA6@iotecdigital.com>

:-)


> On Jul 9, 2018, at 08:30 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Bob....I rarely do anything without waiting 0 milliseconds. :P




From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jul  9 12:34:32 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:34:32 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1.


Getting the Release
===================
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents
================
LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1 comes with more than 90 bugfixes. Several long standing
and annoying bugs have been fixed - including - but not limited to:

- several inconsistencies, partial screen updates, incorrect screen
redraws, "black screen" issues and crashes when acceleratedRendering is
true are now fixed
- the crash when reopening an app that was terminated with the "quit"
command on Android no longer occurs
- the performance of the IDE on Windows is significantly improved
- a couple of issues with breakpoints are now fixed

In addition, LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1 includes several new features:

- support for building with Xcode 9.4.x, using iOS 11.4 SDK
- new tsNet and mergExt builds
- new stereo panning properties added to MacOS Player Object
- support for Option Menus on Android

Known issues
================
- The Browser widget's native layer is not shown in some Linux distros with
Cinnamon window manager.
- The use of the Browser widget is not supported on Ubuntu 18.04 64 bit LTS
yet.

The full release notes are available from:

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/9_0_1/LiveCodeNotes-9_0_1_rc_1.pdf


Feedback
========
Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/

We have a forum available for discussing LiveCode Builder at
http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=93


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team
--


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  9 14:11:46 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 18:11:46 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
Message-ID: <B2672540-4779-473E-9566-E6EB6ABF75E0@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I'm finally taking the plunge with nested behaviors with datagrids. Essentially, I have a button named "modulegrids" whose behavior is set to stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior" (the new default behavior of a datagrid). I then set the behavior of a datagrid to the long id of that button. The behaviors are triggering alright, but selectionChanged is not *actually" changing the selection, and calls to the library such as the dgHiliedIndex of the datagrid return empty. 

So my question is, can behaviors be nested for datagrids? 

Bob S




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:26:03 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:26:03 +0300
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC 8.1.4
	and above
In-Reply-To: <bug-19998-1089-ZiRJDPG9Mp@https.quality.livecode.com/>
References: <bug-19998-1089@https.quality.livecode.com/>
	<bug-19998-1089-ZiRJDPG9Mp@https.quality.livecode.com/>
Message-ID: <6cdc8b43-c089-4c45-78c4-3f6074b94441@gmail.com>

It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix this 
problem
for those of us confined to systems that cannot work with LC 9.

Richmond.

On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-daemon at meg.on-rev.com wrote:
> Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> changed bug 19998 
> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998>
> What 	Removed 	Added
> Status 	AWAITING_RELEASE 	RESOLVED
> Resolution 	--- 	FIXED
>
> *Comment # 5 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998#c5> 
> on bug 19998 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998> from 
> Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> *
> Hi all,
>
> This bug is now fixed in LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1:
>
> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
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> You are receiving this mail because:
>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 15:34:37 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 20:34:37 +0100
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC 8.1.4
	and above
In-Reply-To: <6cdc8b43-c089-4c45-78c4-3f6074b94441@gmail.com>
References: <bug-19998-1089@https.quality.livecode.com/>
	<bug-19998-1089-ZiRJDPG9Mp@https.quality.livecode.com/>
	<6cdc8b43-c089-4c45-78c4-3f6074b94441@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-1fhXh7GQ=NRuCBqok=mey1t9J8qVOFnZXP32SnRJpPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Richmond,

LC 8.x is now EOLed, but regarding this specific bug fix, you can apply the
fix locally to your install of LC 8.x, as it includes changes only in the
IDE code.

Best,
Panos
--

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix this
> problem
> for those of us confined to systems that cannot work with LC 9.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-daemon at meg.on-rev.com wrote:
>
>> Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> changed bug 19998 <
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998>
>> What    Removed         Added
>> Status  AWAITING_RELEASE        RESOLVED
>> Resolution      ---     FIXED
>>
>> *Comment # 5 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998#c5> on
>> bug 19998 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998> from
>> Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> *
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This bug is now fixed in LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1:
>>
>> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>>
>> Best,
>> Panos
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> You are receiving this mail because:
>>
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>>   * You reported the bug.
>>
>>
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jul  9 15:47:00 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:47:00 -0400
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption going up on
	stack that isn't doing much?
In-Reply-To: <B5B51268-4F35-4F99-8C1E-E807727C3EA6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKB46XoTT=J=S37-iRrYczOBsxiwRuNtKaA1CeMHFi7qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2F291C38-02F5-4D3A-A782-988FAEACAE3E@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAPzQJL+QTfrTrLNRrQ88VX6LdTpverZPDTt80i_n1Pk3KUtfRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5B51268-4F35-4F99-8C1E-E807727C3EA6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJOvh0PN=x_AKXduk-YMB7Jte4CC-WU+pjKf58twE90Yw@mail.gmail.com>

update on this .... the memory consumption is definately to do with one of
the messages that checks for changes in the clipboard every 333
milliseconds...... but does not retain what it finds.

there is nothing else going on the computer and as far as i know the
clipboard ISN't changing....does the system make changes to the clipboard
even if ctrl c is not used? ..

.I use the "fullclipboard" data function to identify a change by comparing
it to the last known array from the fullcllipboarddata

is there a faster way of detecting a change in clipboard??????, but have
full data when i do detect it?

the fullclipboard data has been  a little buggy.....and i have some bug
reports to make..... but its probably partly me doing it me doing it
wrong.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> :-)
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 2018, at 08:30 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Bob....I rarely do anything without waiting 0 milliseconds. :P
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  9 15:59:49 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 14:59:49 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63799556-101a-e667-9046-5d5d5123b4b2@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/18 11:34 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> - several inconsistencies, partial screen updates, incorrect screen
> redraws, "black screen" issues and crashes when acceleratedRendering is
> true are now fixed
> - the crash when reopening an app that was terminated with the "quit"
> command on Android no longer occurs

This is great news, thanks to the whole team! These issues have been a 
problem for a very long time.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Mon Jul  9 16:23:26 2018
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 21:23:26 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <63799556-101a-e667-9046-5d5d5123b4b2@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<63799556-101a-e667-9046-5d5d5123b4b2@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1gb70FTiQjqQ5rwrjYAu32i8aL3=ejcTUG_Jav9QfW8ow@mail.gmail.com>

By the way, we forgot to add to the 'highlights' the fact that we have
updated the target sdk of the android build to API 26, and added a fixed
target SDK version to the template manifest. This should mean that apps
built with 9.0.1-rc-1 will be accepted into the Google Play store without
any warnings about target SDK version.

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:59 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 7/9/18 11:34 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> > - several inconsistencies, partial screen updates, incorrect screen
> > redraws, "black screen" issues and crashes when acceleratedRendering is
> > true are now fixed
> > - the crash when reopening an app that was terminated with the "quit"
> > command on Android no longer occurs
>
> This is great news, thanks to the whole team! These issues have been a
> problem for a very long time.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  9 16:38:12 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:38:12 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1gb70FTiQjqQ5rwrjYAu32i8aL3=ejcTUG_Jav9QfW8ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<63799556-101a-e667-9046-5d5d5123b4b2@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAJR0Q1gb70FTiQjqQ5rwrjYAu32i8aL3=ejcTUG_Jav9QfW8ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43b70817-9add-ad54-c452-acc95332eeec@hyperactivesw.com>

That was one of the first things I checked. :)

I had some trouble getting LC to recognize my phone until I realized 
that my SDK in mobile prefs had been removed. Android devs should note 
that you need to have SDK 8 or higher installed (the informative 
notification dialog was a big help here.) I installed 7, 8, and 8.1 and 
LC then allowed me to re-select the SDK in preferences, the phone showed 
up in the Target menu, and I could do a test build.

The working option button is a cool addition, that was something I 
didn't expect.

On 7/9/18 3:23 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> By the way, we forgot to add to the 'highlights' the fact that we have
> updated the target sdk of the android build to API 26, and added a fixed
> target SDK version to the template manifest. This should mean that apps
> built with 9.0.1-rc-1 will be accepted into the Google Play store without
> any warnings about target SDK version.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:59 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/9/18 11:34 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>>> - several inconsistencies, partial screen updates, incorrect screen
>>> redraws, "black screen" issues and crashes when acceleratedRendering is
>>> true are now fixed
>>> - the crash when reopening an app that was terminated with the "quit"
>>> command on Android no longer occurs
>>
>> This is great news, thanks to the whole team! These issues have been a
>> problem for a very long time.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul  9 16:41:32 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:41:32 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>

Panos wrote:
 > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1.

Here (Los Angeles) the download is estimated to take three hours. Could 
this be a repeat of the CDN issue you'd corrected a few weeks ago?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jul  9 17:09:48 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:09:48 -0500
Subject: What are possible reasons for memory consumption going up
	on stack that isn't doing much?
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJOvh0PN=x_AKXduk-YMB7Jte4CC-WU+pjKf58twE90Yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKB46XoTT=J=S37-iRrYczOBsxiwRuNtKaA1CeMHFi7qw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2F291C38-02F5-4D3A-A782-988FAEACAE3E@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAPzQJL+QTfrTrLNRrQ88VX6LdTpverZPDTt80i_n1Pk3KUtfRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5B51268-4F35-4F99-8C1E-E807727C3EA6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAPzQJLJOvh0PN=x_AKXduk-YMB7Jte4CC-WU+pjKf58twE90Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <276ef5c1-9176-4df9-aeb5-07057df12f09@Spark>

Pulling the fullclipboarddata could end up doing a bit of work depending on what is on it. You would probably be better off using the rawclipboarddata to avoid LC doing any processing just so you can detect changes.

Under normal circumstances, the various flavors of content will reflect the same thing. If concerned with style changes, then html may be the best one to check. If you are not, then a plain text variant would be simpler (I.e. shorter) to check.
On Jul 9, 2018, 2:47 PM -0500, Tom Glod via use-livecode , wrote:
> update on this .... the memory consumption is definately to do with one of
> the messages that checks for changes in the clipboard every 333
> milliseconds...... but does not retain what it finds.
>
> there is nothing else going on the computer and as far as i know the
> clipboard ISN't changing....does the system make changes to the clipboard
> even if ctrl c is not used? ..
>
> .I use the "fullclipboard" data function to identify a change by comparing
> it to the last known array from the fullcllipboarddata
>
> is there a faster way of detecting a change in clipboard??????, but have
> full data when i do detect it?
>
> the fullclipboard data has been a little buggy.....and i have some bug
> reports to make..... but its probably partly me doing it me doing it
> wrong.
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 9, 2018, at 08:30 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Bob....I rarely do anything without waiting 0 milliseconds. :P
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jul  9 18:11:19 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:11:19 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>

On 07/09/2018 01:41 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Panos wrote:
>  > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1.
> 
> Here (Los Angeles) the download is estimated to take three hours. Could 
> this be a repeat of the CDN issue you'd corrected a few weeks ago?
> 

Here it actually took only about 45 minutes.
That's about 8 megabytes / minute, or 132kbytes / second.
Better than a dialup modem, eh?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Mon Jul  9 18:21:29 2018
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:21:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1531174889530-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thank you all LiveCode staffers - appreciate the many Android bug fixes 

Kind regards

Dave



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  9 18:27:00 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:27:00 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
	<82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/9/18 5:11 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 07/09/2018 01:41 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> Panos wrote:
>> ?> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1.
>>
>> Here (Los Angeles) the download is estimated to take three hours. 
>> Could this be a repeat of the CDN issue you'd corrected a few weeks ago?
>>
> 
> Here it actually took only about 45 minutes.
> That's about 8 megabytes / minute, or 132kbytes / second.
> Better than a dialup modem, eh?
> 

Here in the Northland, downloading from the web page, it took about five 
minutes.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Jul  9 18:40:01 2018
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:40:01 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
	<82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>
	<975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <eb3aed00-b58b-9619-b28a-97c1563905f4@pdslabs.net>

Whoa! Here in the Pacific Northwest (Portland area) I downloaded the 
Indy version in 1:43. That's one minute and change.

Phil Davis


On 7/9/18 3:27 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/9/18 5:11 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 07/09/2018 01:41 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Panos wrote:
>>> ?> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1.
>>>
>>> Here (Los Angeles) the download is estimated to take three hours. 
>>> Could this be a repeat of the CDN issue you'd corrected a few weeks 
>>> ago?
>>>
>>
>> Here it actually took only about 45 minutes.
>> That's about 8 megabytes / minute, or 132kbytes / second.
>> Better than a dialup modem, eh?
>>
>
> Here in the Northland, downloading from the web page, it took about 
> five minutes.
>

-- 
Phil Davis




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jul  9 18:41:51 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:41:51 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
	<82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>
	<975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <84ea4a4c-14e0-7b3d-d09f-8d1ffe1de9ee@sonic.net>

On 07/09/2018 03:27 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/9/18 5:11 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 07/09/2018 01:41 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Panos wrote:
>>> ?> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1.
>>>
>>> Here (Los Angeles) the download is estimated to take three hours. 
>>> Could this be a repeat of the CDN issue you'd corrected a few weeks ago?
>>>
>>
>> Here it actually took only about 45 minutes.
>> That's about 8 megabytes / minute, or 132kbytes / second.
>> Better than a dialup modem, eh?
>>
> 
> Here in the Northland, downloading from the web page, it took about five 
> minutes.
> 

Well, sure... at a higher latitude the electrons don't have as far to go.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  9 18:45:11 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 22:45:11 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <84ea4a4c-14e0-7b3d-d09f-8d1ffe1de9ee@sonic.net>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
	<82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>
	<975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>
	<84ea4a4c-14e0-7b3d-d09f-8d1ffe1de9ee@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4EA42165-155D-40A8-8A5B-917A5D63D705@iotecdigital.com>

It's the quarks that don't have as far to go, on account of their travelling faster than light. Electrons are the pedestrians of the space time continuum. 

Bob S


> On Jul 9, 2018, at 15:41 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Here in the Northland, downloading from the web page, it took about five minutes.
> 
> Well, sure... at a higher latitude the electrons don't have as far to go.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com




From tore.nilsen at me.com  Mon Jul  9 18:45:12 2018
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 00:45:12 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <84ea4a4c-14e0-7b3d-d09f-8d1ffe1de9ee@sonic.net>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
	<82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>
	<975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>
	<84ea4a4c-14e0-7b3d-d09f-8d1ffe1de9ee@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BFD9660A-65C3-4C2B-8A43-CE8519C09CB4@me.com>


> 10. jul. 2018 kl. 00:41 skrev Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Well, sure... at a higher latitude the electrons don't have as far to go.

That must be why I can report even better times (approx 1:30) than Phil Davis. I am at sea level, but on the west coast of Norway, so not very far from Scotland.

Tore Nilsen

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  9 19:06:01 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 18:06:01 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <84ea4a4c-14e0-7b3d-d09f-8d1ffe1de9ee@sonic.net>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
	<82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>
	<975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>
	<84ea4a4c-14e0-7b3d-d09f-8d1ffe1de9ee@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <164814b6ba8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

You're welcome to come by and download from here.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 9, 2018 5:43:43 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 07/09/2018 03:27 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 7/9/18 5:11 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On 07/09/2018 01:41 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Panos wrote:
>>>>  > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1.
>>>>
>>>> Here (Los Angeles) the download is estimated to take three hours.
>>>> Could this be a repeat of the CDN issue you'd corrected a few weeks ago?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Here it actually took only about 45 minutes.
>>> That's about 8 megabytes / minute, or 132kbytes / second.
>>> Better than a dialup modem, eh?
>>>
>>
>> Here in the Northland, downloading from the web page, it took about five
>> minutes.
>>
>
> Well, sure... at a higher latitude the electrons don't have as far to go.
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From waprothero at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 19:26:48 2018
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:26:48 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <164814b6ba8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
	<82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>
	<975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>
	<84ea4a4c-14e0-7b3d-d09f-8d1ffe1de9ee@sonic.net>
	<164814b6ba8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <08156505-3CAB-4206-A9CA-DEE2756C90BD@gmail.com>

A speedy 6hrs estimated here in White Salmon, Washington.
Guess I?ll have to wait until later this evening. 
Bill


> On Jul 9, 2018, at 4:06 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> You're welcome to come by and download from here.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> On July 9, 2018 5:43:43 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 07/09/2018 03:27 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>> On 7/9/18 5:11 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> On 07/09/2018 01:41 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> Panos wrote:
>>>>> > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here (Los Angeles) the download is estimated to take three hours.
>>>>> Could this be a repeat of the CDN issue you'd corrected a few weeks ago?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Here it actually took only about 45 minutes.
>>>> That's about 8 megabytes / minute, or 132kbytes / second.
>>>> Better than a dialup modem, eh?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here in the Northland, downloading from the web page, it took about five
>>> minutes.
>>> 
>> 
>> Well, sure... at a higher latitude the electrons don't have as far to go.
>> 
>> --
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jul  9 19:48:18 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:48:18 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <08156505-3CAB-4206-A9CA-DEE2756C90BD@gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
	<82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>
	<975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>
	<84ea4a4c-14e0-7b3d-d09f-8d1ffe1de9ee@sonic.net>
	<164814b6ba8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<08156505-3CAB-4206-A9CA-DEE2756C90BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f0399de-f4d9-b2e3-a7f2-668d9af11a7f@sonic.net>

On 07/09/2018 04:26 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode wrote:
> A speedy 6hrs estimated here in White Salmon, Washington.
> Guess I?ll have to wait until later this evening.

Yah. Once those electrons get hot and swell up not as many of them can 
fit through the internet tubes any more. Good idea to let them cool down 
in the evening.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 04:33:42 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:33:42 +0300
Subject: Boiling over with excitement . . .
Message-ID: <4f9b7253-79bb-0318-ffe9-635ca68b1bd2@gmail.com>

Before anyone gets over-excited by the fact that the LiveCode team have, 
finally,

sorted out the silly invisible polygon graphic object in LiveCode 
(a.k.a. Polly-Gone) in 9.0.1 rc 1:


*1.* I think it is extremely shabby that LiveCode 8 was EOLed without 
that being sorted out.

*2.* Choose a Polygon Graphic from the menu, get into its properties 
palette and give it

a unique name, set up a listField with a set of non-trivial points

(e.g. 100,100

 ???????? 100,200

 ???????? 200,200

 ???????? 200,100

 ???????? 100,100)


crack open the Message box and type something of this order:

*set the points of grc "zzz" to fld "scl"*

and your polygon graphic will? "magically" manifest itself 'right there' 
on the stack.


Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 04:43:32 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:43:32 +0300
Subject: doMenu
Message-ID: <1309da58-d8d3-3c18-f9f2-e4d674879de4@gmail.com>

Is it possible to send a *doMenu* command to a menu item several levels 
down?

Such as *Object/New Control/Radio Button* ?

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 04:44:39 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:44:39 +0300
Subject: Boiling over with excitement . . .
Message-ID: <79a8ef56-e4d7-1055-1981-423659555146@gmail.com>

Before anyone gets over-excited by the fact that the LiveCode team have, 
finally,

sorted out the silly invisible polygon graphic object in LiveCode 
(a.k.a. Polly-Gone) in 9.0.1 rc 1:


*1.* I think it is extremely shabby that LiveCode 8 was EOLed without 
that being sorted out.

*2.* Choose a Polygon Graphic from the menu, get into its properties 
palette and give it

a unique name, set up a listField with a set of non-trivial points

(e.g. 100,100

 ???????? 100,200

 ???????? 200,200

 ???????? 200,100

 ???????? 100,100)


crack open the Message box and type something of this order:

*set the points of grc "zzz" to fld "scl"*

and your polygon graphic will? "magically" manifest itself 'right there' 
on the stack.


Richmond.


From tore.nilsen at me.com  Tue Jul 10 05:07:02 2018
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:07:02 +0200
Subject: doMenu
In-Reply-To: <1309da58-d8d3-3c18-f9f2-e4d674879de4@gmail.com>
References: <1309da58-d8d3-3c18-f9f2-e4d674879de4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A14F18AD-B64B-4EB5-882B-D4E67A303E44@me.com>


> 10. jul. 2018 kl. 10:43 skrev Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Is it possible to send a *doMenu* command to a menu item several levels down?
> 
> Such as *Object/New Control/Radio Button* ?
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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I cannot answer your question about the sending of doMenu to items in a hierarchy, but this seems to me to be a situation where you would be better off placing the actual handler for what you would like to do in the stack script. Then all it takes is a call to this handler, be it from the menu item or from somewhere else. This way you do not need to send a doMenu command at all. This is how I teach my students to structure their code.

Regards
Tore Nilsen

From merakosp at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 05:23:52 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 10:23:52 +0100
Subject: Boiling over with excitement . . .
In-Reply-To: <79a8ef56-e4d7-1055-1981-423659555146@gmail.com>
References: <79a8ef56-e4d7-1055-1981-423659555146@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8vC=VCMCpphNY0_z6w4_O6wPB97fqnePgs1keR8_t4CA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Richmond,

This fix can easily be applied to your local install of LC 8.x:

1. Navigate to LiveCode
8.x.y.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/resources/supporting_files/property_definitions/
2. Find file "com.livecode.interface.classic.PolygonGraphic.tsv" and rename
it to "OLD_com.livecode.interface.classic.PolygonGraphic.tsv"
3. Download this patched file:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/montegoulding/livecode-ide/d30e00360273dd5d00030b61c9fd4841440d4fd3/Toolset/resources/supporting_files/property_definitions/com.livecode.interface.classic.PolygonGraphic.tsv
(Choose "File -> Save as" in your browser menu, and make sure you save it
as "com.livecode.interface.classic.PolygonGraphic.tsv")
4. Place the file you saved in step 3 at LiveCode
8.x.y.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/resources/supporting_files/property_definitions/
5. Quit and reopen LC 8.x

Notes:

With this patch, the default points of the regular polygon are
"0,0\n100,100", which looks like a line graphic. You can change that in the
PI.
However, you can modify this file and add the default points of your
choice, for example if you want it to look as the one in your previous
post, in this file replace:

0,0\n100,100

with

100,100\n100,200\n200,200\n200,100

I hope this helps.

Best regards,
Panos
?


On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Richmond via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Before anyone gets over-excited by the fact that the LiveCode team have,
> finally,
>
> sorted out the silly invisible polygon graphic object in LiveCode (a.k.a.
> Polly-Gone) in 9.0.1 rc 1:
>
>
> *1.* I think it is extremely shabby that LiveCode 8 was EOLed without that
> being sorted out.
>
> *2.* Choose a Polygon Graphic from the menu, get into its properties
> palette and give it
>
> a unique name, set up a listField with a set of non-trivial points
>
> (e.g. 100,100
>
>          100,200
>
>          200,200
>
>          200,100
>
>          100,100)
>
>
> crack open the Message box and type something of this order:
>
> *set the points of grc "zzz" to fld "scl"*
>
> and your polygon graphic will  "magically" manifest itself 'right there'
> on the stack.
>
>
> Richmond.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Jul 10 05:37:23 2018
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 02:37:23 -0700
Subject: Boiling over with excitement . . .
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8vC=VCMCpphNY0_z6w4_O6wPB97fqnePgs1keR8_t4CA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79a8ef56-e4d7-1055-1981-423659555146@gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq8vC=VCMCpphNY0_z6w4_O6wPB97fqnePgs1keR8_t4CA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6819DCC1-86FF-4AC0-9D00-975054BB1AD0@elementarysoftware.com>

Thank you, Panos.

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
booth     1-800-615-0867
------------------------------------------------------



> On Jul 10, 2018, at 2:23 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Richmond,
> 
> This fix can easily be applied to your local install of LC 8.x:
> 
> 1. Navigate to LiveCode
> 8.x.y.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/resources/supporting_files/property_definitions/
> 2. Find file "com.livecode.interface.classic.PolygonGraphic.tsv" and rename
> it to "OLD_com.livecode.interface.classic.PolygonGraphic.tsv"
> 3. Download this patched file:
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/montegoulding/livecode-ide/d30e00360273dd5d00030b61c9fd4841440d4fd3/Toolset/resources/supporting_files/property_definitions/com.livecode.interface.classic.PolygonGraphic.tsv
> (Choose "File -> Save as" in your browser menu, and make sure you save it
> as "com.livecode.interface.classic.PolygonGraphic.tsv")
> 4. Place the file you saved in step 3 at LiveCode
> 8.x.y.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/resources/supporting_files/property_definitions/
> 5. Quit and reopen LC 8.x
> 
> Notes:
> 
> With this patch, the default points of the regular polygon are
> "0,0\n100,100", which looks like a line graphic. You can change that in the
> PI.
> However, you can modify this file and add the default points of your
> choice, for example if you want it to look as the one in your previous
> post, in this file replace:
> 
> 0,0\n100,100
> 
> with
> 
> 100,100\n100,200\n200,200\n200,100
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Best regards,
> Panos
> ?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Richmond via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Before anyone gets over-excited by the fact that the LiveCode team have,
>> finally,
>> 
>> sorted out the silly invisible polygon graphic object in LiveCode (a.k.a.
>> Polly-Gone) in 9.0.1 rc 1:
>> 
>> 
>> *1.* I think it is extremely shabby that LiveCode 8 was EOLed without that
>> being sorted out.
>> 
>> *2.* Choose a Polygon Graphic from the menu, get into its properties
>> palette and give it
>> 
>> a unique name, set up a listField with a set of non-trivial points
>> 
>> (e.g. 100,100
>> 
>>         100,200
>> 
>>         200,200
>> 
>>         200,100
>> 
>>         100,100)
>> 
>> 
>> crack open the Message box and type something of this order:
>> 
>> *set the points of grc "zzz" to fld "scl"*
>> 
>> and your polygon graphic will  "magically" manifest itself 'right there'
>> on the stack.
>> 
>> 
>> Richmond.
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 06:32:16 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:32:16 +0300
Subject: doMenu
In-Reply-To: <A14F18AD-B64B-4EB5-882B-D4E67A303E44@me.com>
References: <1309da58-d8d3-3c18-f9f2-e4d674879de4@gmail.com>
	<A14F18AD-B64B-4EB5-882B-D4E67A303E44@me.com>
Message-ID: <af3ca35b-ed4e-3c3e-4b84-66ba37174c7f@gmail.com>

Thanks Tore,

This is alright if one knows what the actual handler sparked by the menu 
item is.

on mouseUp
    set the style of the templateGraphic to polygon
    create graphic "zzz"
    set the points of grc "zzz" to fld "PTZ"
end mouseUp

Richmond.

On 10/7/2018 12:07 pm, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:
>> 10. jul. 2018 kl. 10:43 skrev Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Is it possible to send a *doMenu* command to a menu item several levels down?
>>
>> Such as *Object/New Control/Radio Button* ?
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> I cannot answer your question about the sending of doMenu to items in a hierarchy, but this seems to me to be a situation where you would be better off placing the actual handler for what you would like to do in the stack script. Then all it takes is a call to this handler, be it from the menu item or from somewhere else. This way you do not need to send a doMenu command at all. This is how I teach my students to structure their code.
>
> Regards
> Tore Nilsen
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Tue Jul 10 06:50:17 2018
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:50:17 +0200
Subject: doMenu
In-Reply-To: <af3ca35b-ed4e-3c3e-4b84-66ba37174c7f@gmail.com>
References: <1309da58-d8d3-3c18-f9f2-e4d674879de4@gmail.com>
	<A14F18AD-B64B-4EB5-882B-D4E67A303E44@me.com>
	<af3ca35b-ed4e-3c3e-4b84-66ba37174c7f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9489F8F1-14AC-4854-B961-BFECA68737A4@me.com>

If you are writing all of the code yourself, then it should not be a problem knowing what the handler sparked by the menu item should do.Here is how I teach my students to structure their code when they want the user to be able to perform the same action from various controls:

In the stack script:

on makeNewGraphic
  set the style of the templateGraphic to polygon
  create graphic "zzz"
  set the points of grc ?zzz" to fld "PTZ"
end makeNewGraphic


Script in the button:

on mouseUp
    makeNewGraphic
end mouseUp


Script in the menu:

on menuPick pItem
  switch pItem
    case ?Make new graphic?
	makeNewGraphic
        break
    default  #or other cases
        Do something else
        break
end menuPick

This way you only need to know what you would like the button or the menu item to do, and call the appropriate handler for this.

Regards
Tore


> 10. jul. 2018 kl. 12:32 skrev Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thanks Tore,
> 
> This is alright if one knows what the actual handler sparked by the menu item is.
> 
> on mouseUp
>   set the style of the templateGraphic to polygon
>   create graphic "zzz"
>   set the points of grc "zzz" to fld "PTZ"
> end mouseUp
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 10/7/2018 12:07 pm, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:
>>> 10. jul. 2018 kl. 10:43 skrev Richmond via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to send a *doMenu* command to a menu item several levels down?
>>> 
>>> Such as *Object/New Control/Radio Button* ?
>>> 
>>> Richmond.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> I cannot answer your question about the sending of doMenu to items in a hierarchy, but this seems to me to be a situation where you would be better off placing the actual handler for what you would like to do in the stack script. Then all it takes is a call to this handler, be it from the menu item or from somewhere else. This way you do not need to send a doMenu command at all. This is how I teach my students to structure their code.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tore Nilsen
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 09:00:39 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarxx)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 06:00:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: doMenu
In-Reply-To: <1309da58-d8d3-3c18-f9f2-e4d674879de4@gmail.com>
References: <1309da58-d8d3-3c18-f9f2-e4d674879de4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1531227639192-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi.

I would go to the forums and read this all the way to the end:

doMenu not finding the menu
<http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=30802&hilit=domenu#p165533>  

Craig Newman



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From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Jul 10 09:37:07 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:37:07 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <43b70817-9add-ad54-c452-acc95332eeec@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<63799556-101a-e667-9046-5d5d5123b4b2@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAJR0Q1gb70FTiQjqQ5rwrjYAu32i8aL3=ejcTUG_Jav9QfW8ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<43b70817-9add-ad54-c452-acc95332eeec@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <932BF868-23B8-4ECD-AF39-C9B3C7F5AB59@hindu.org>

Where is the documentation how to do this correctly?

For a Mac Android developer

??


J. Landman 
    Android devs should note 
    that you need to have SDK 8 or higher installed (the informative 
    notification dialog was a big help here.) I installed 7, 8, and 8.1 and 
    LC then allowed me to re-select the SDK in preferences, the phone showed 
    up in the Target menu, and I could do a test build.


From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Jul 10 09:49:35 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:49:35 +0000
Subject: Preferences --> Project Browser --> Sort stack by 
Message-ID: <5A4E508A-D5F4-4386-A998-1415377249D4@hindu.org>

Anyone else getting the old bug in 9.01. RC1?. In preferences, we want to set the sort stacks to "Layer"

Sort stack by: [Name] [Ascending]
But each time I choose

Sort stack by: [Layer] [Ascending]

It reverts to Name

Not that I using the Project Browser all at all anymore.
I can't tell you how much Geoff 's Navigator has speeded ups dev.

BR

From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Jul 10 09:52:22 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 13:52:22 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9DD0B6E4-FD87-4784-9155-6A5BE65C5C54@hindu.org>

Congratulations to the team for all the hard work!

This is a big day for us. 

India, Malaysia, indeed, all South Asian is now "open for [Android] business" 

Brahmanathaswami
 
panagiotis merakos 

    Dear list members,
    
    We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1.
    
    
    


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 10 10:46:19 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:46:19 +0000
Subject: doMenu
In-Reply-To: <A14F18AD-B64B-4EB5-882B-D4E67A303E44@me.com>
References: <1309da58-d8d3-3c18-f9f2-e4d674879de4@gmail.com>
	<A14F18AD-B64B-4EB5-882B-D4E67A303E44@me.com>
Message-ID: <3FA8C787-E065-40C1-AE3C-0C00D6F36E41@iotecdigital.com>

I agree Tor. The problem with doMenu is, what happens when you want to create your own menu group? None of the doMenu calls to the standard menus will work anymore. 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2018, at 02:07 , Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I cannot answer your question about the sending of doMenu to items in a hierarchy, but this seems to me to be a situation where you would be better off placing the actual handler for what you would like to do in the stack script. Then all it takes is a call to this handler, be it from the menu item or from somewhere else. This way you do not need to send a doMenu command at all. This is how I teach my students to structure their code.
> 
> Regards
> Tore Nilsen




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 10 10:54:08 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:54:08 +0000
Subject: doMenu
In-Reply-To: <9489F8F1-14AC-4854-B961-BFECA68737A4@me.com>
References: <1309da58-d8d3-3c18-f9f2-e4d674879de4@gmail.com>
	<A14F18AD-B64B-4EB5-882B-D4E67A303E44@me.com>
	<af3ca35b-ed4e-3c3e-4b84-66ba37174c7f@gmail.com>
	<9489F8F1-14AC-4854-B961-BFECA68737A4@me.com>
Message-ID: <5159C8A9-7F37-4CB8-8D98-A29C05E04929@iotecdigital.com>

What do the open and closing double angle brackets do?

For nested menus, in a custom File menu script:

case "New|Stack"

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2018, at 03:50 , Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>    case ?Make new graphic?


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 10 10:55:11 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:55:11 +0000
Subject: doMenu
In-Reply-To: <3FA8C787-E065-40C1-AE3C-0C00D6F36E41@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1309da58-d8d3-3c18-f9f2-e4d674879de4@gmail.com>
	<A14F18AD-B64B-4EB5-882B-D4E67A303E44@me.com>
	<3FA8C787-E065-40C1-AE3C-0C00D6F36E41@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <EBDB4E6E-007E-4EC8-90C5-31C030994177@iotecdigital.com>

Tore even. 

> On Jul 10, 2018, at 07:46 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree Tor. 




From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Jul 10 11:46:53 2018
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:46:53 +0000
Subject: Mobile Launch Camera
Message-ID: <6BAF92B1-5213-4C1F-86B2-F6F860D6EAF4@clearvisiontech.com>

Greeting!

Is it possible to launch the camera app on mobile?     I have a button in an app that when tapped, should launch the [native] camera app and select ?Video?.  Another button should launch the camera app and select ?Photo?.   Is that possible?  If so, how?   Perhaps some variation of the launch command?

I am aware of mobilePickPhoto and mobilePickMedia.  I don?t want to import content, I want to physically open the camera app on the user?s device.

Thank you in advance,
-Dan

From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Jul 10 14:00:22 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:00:22 +0000
Subject: 9.01 RC-1 Standalone Builder
Message-ID: <4E88D6EC-10E9-4B10-9F25-F9D91F7625A4@hindu.org>

I take to Trevor's  method of keep a second instance of LC open, and using it to build standalone.

That way we avoid


  1.  Making changes in  scripts.
  2.  Saving them
  3.  Have to "old versions" magically re-appear after building a standalone.

I have got around to a recipe. But it go so "bad" in 9.0 that I stopped development.

Now:  The PDF of Release Notes for 9.01.RC-1  give the following "breaking change"

Do in now solve the above problem?


Standalone Building

The standalone builder has always needed to close the stacks it builds for reasons pretty deeply

ingrained in the code. However this causes a few problems, for example:

values in script locals become empty

behaviors are broken when the parent script is on / in a stack which closes

As an attempt to improve this situation, the code that locks messages when closing and opening

stacks for standalone builds has been removed. This means that where previously mainstacks

LiveCode 9.0.1-rc-1 Release Notes 7/9/18

2

would not receive openStack and closeStack messages during standalone build, they now do.

If this causes problems for your stack, you can exit from the handler if standalone building is in

progress:

on closeStack

if the mode of stack "revStandaloneProgress" > 0 then

exit closesStack

end if

end closeStack

LiveCode

Standalone Building

The standalone builder has always needed to close the stacks it builds for reasons pretty deeply

ingrained in the code. However this causes a few problems, for example:

values in script locals become empty

behaviors are broken when the parent script is on / in a stack which closes

As an attempt to improve this situation, the code that locks messages when closing and opening

stacks for standalone builds has been removed. This means that where previously mainstacks

LiveCode 9.0.1-rc-1 Release Notes 7/9/18

2

would not receive openStack and closeStack messages during standalone build, they now do.

If this causes problems for your stack, you can exit from the handler if standalone building is in

progress:

on closeStack

if the mode of stack "revStandaloneProgress" > 0 then

exit closesStack

end if

end closeStack

LiveCode


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 14:18:33 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:18:33 -0600
Subject: Docker
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>

Hoping someone can help me shortcut this..
If I start with an alpine image, what things do I need to add so that LC
executables will run?  (using the -ui flag)
Or would I be better off starting with another base?   I'm looking to end
up with smallest possible docker that can do the job.


From paul at researchware.com  Tue Jul 10 14:20:37 2018
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 14:20:37 -0400
Subject: Transitioning to LiveCode 9...
Message-ID: <5ade64ae-bd46-1e32-1910-acb52899bf33@researchware.com>

First, I love all the things added to LiveCode 9 and, while I haven;t
had a chance to download 9.0.1 yet, I am sure it (and 9.0.2, etc.) will
just keep getting better.

However, I must vent that transitioning old stack to LC9 is now always
easy. In some ways (text handling) I find the degree of compatibility
amazing, but in others I run into a lot of code to change.

I am transitioning a large app built under LC6.7.11 and ran into the
following:

In LC6.7.11 you could say 'set the effective label of button X to Y' and
it worked (it essentially ignored the 'effective' keyword and set the
label property). Now this is not sound syntax and I have no idea why the
code (which has had many developers work on it) used the 'effective'
keyword in a set statement. I suspect "Copy and Paste" was the cuprit.
Irregardless, it works in LC6.7.11

In LC9.0.0, the same line, 'set the effective label of button X to Y'
throws a syntax error (probably rightly so!). However, it does mean I
now have to change what seems like a zillion instances of 'set the
effective label ...' to just 'set the label ...'

Uggh!




From dougr at telus.net  Tue Jul 10 15:06:48 2018
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas Ruisaard)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 12:06:48 -0700
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: cdQSfwqHPr9R7cdQXfPvrI
References: cdQSfwqHPr9R7cdQXfPvrI
Message-ID: <097501d41881$2850f8b0$78f2ea10$@net>

Sorry if I missed something.. but, Richmond (or anyone, for that matter), could you elucidate on the specifics of which systems confine you to LC v8?  Or at least which systems YOU employ which are not compatible with LC v9...

If there are such systems or a list of known incompatibilities regarding LC v9, other than those listed in the release notes, I (and I suspect the community) would appreciate knowing about them and have them encapsulated in one place.

Are they OS issues or specific application restrictions? ... or reported bugs?

Douglas Ruisaard
Trilogy Software
(250) 573-3935

> 
> It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix this problem for those of us
> confined to systems that cannot work with LC 9.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-daemon at meg.on-rev.com wrote:
> > Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> changed bug 19998
> > <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998>
> > What 	Removed 	Added
> > Status 	AWAITING_RELEASE 	RESOLVED
> > Resolution 	--- 	FIXED
> >
> > *Comment # 5 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998#c5>
> > on bug 19998 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998> from
> > Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> * Hi all,
> >
> > This bug is now fixed in LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1:
> >
> > https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> >
> > Best,
> > Panos




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 15:26:20 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 22:26:20 +0300
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <097501d41881$2850f8b0$78f2ea10$@net>
References: <097501d41881$2850f8b0$78f2ea10$@net>
Message-ID: <af4cad3f-059e-4615-7b17-9f5dcf262dfe@gmail.com>

"elucidation" might be too posh a word for a few simple facts:

1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be 
upgraded above 10.7.5

2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.

Richmond.

On 10/7/2018 10:06 pm, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> Sorry if I missed something.. but, Richmond (or anyone, for that matter), could you elucidate on the specifics of which systems confine you to LC v8?  Or at least which systems YOU employ which are not compatible with LC v9...
>
> If there are such systems or a list of known incompatibilities regarding LC v9, other than those listed in the release notes, I (and I suspect the community) would appreciate knowing about them and have them encapsulated in one place.
>
> Are they OS issues or specific application restrictions? ... or reported bugs?
>
> Douglas Ruisaard
> Trilogy Software
> (250) 573-3935
>
>> It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix this problem for those of us
>> confined to systems that cannot work with LC 9.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-daemon at meg.on-rev.com wrote:
>>> Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> changed bug 19998
>>> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998>
>>> What 	Removed 	Added
>>> Status 	AWAITING_RELEASE 	RESOLVED
>>> Resolution 	--- 	FIXED
>>>
>>> *Comment # 5 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998#c5>
>>> on bug 19998 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998> from
>>> Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> * Hi all,
>>>
>>> This bug is now fixed in LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1:
>>>
>>> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Panos
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 10 16:09:59 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:09:59 -0500
Subject: Transitioning to LiveCode 9...
In-Reply-To: <5ade64ae-bd46-1e32-1910-acb52899bf33@researchware.com>
References: <5ade64ae-bd46-1e32-1910-acb52899bf33@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <16485d099f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Use the Find and Replace dialog (Edit menu) and you can change them all 
with a single click.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 10, 2018 1:23:04 PM Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> First, I love all the things added to LiveCode 9 and, while I haven;t
> had a chance to download 9.0.1 yet, I am sure it (and 9.0.2, etc.) will
> just keep getting better.
>
> However, I must vent that transitioning old stack to LC9 is now always
> easy. In some ways (text handling) I find the degree of compatibility
> amazing, but in others I run into a lot of code to change.
>
> I am transitioning a large app built under LC6.7.11 and ran into the
> following:
>
> In LC6.7.11 you could say 'set the effective label of button X to Y' and
> it worked (it essentially ignored the 'effective' keyword and set the
> label property). Now this is not sound syntax and I have no idea why the
> code (which has had many developers work on it) used the 'effective'
> keyword in a set statement. I suspect "Copy and Paste" was the cuprit.
> Irregardless, it works in LC6.7.11
>
> In LC9.0.0, the same line, 'set the effective label of button X to Y'
> throws a syntax error (probably rightly so!). However, it does mean I
> now have to change what seems like a zillion instances of 'set the
> effective label ...' to just 'set the label ...'
>
> Uggh!
>
>
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From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Jul 10 16:13:11 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 20:13:11 +0000
Subject: 9.01 RC-1 Standalone Builder
In-Reply-To: <4E88D6EC-10E9-4B10-9F25-F9D91F7625A4@hindu.org>
References: <4E88D6EC-10E9-4B10-9F25-F9D91F7625A4@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <731300E5-363F-43FC-8B67-7EFD6070C4CC@hindu.org>

[Responding to my memo which has too many typos]    
  
With 9.0,  using it to build a standalone.

  1.  Making changes in  scripts.
  2.  Saving them
  3.  Having  "old versions" magically re-appear after building a standalone.

I never got around to finding a recipe. It was like: 

standalone builder "caches" old scripts and "re-constitutes" them  over newly save scripts.

But it go so "bad" in 9.0 that I stopped development and went with 8.1.10

Now:  The PDF of Release Notes for 9.01.RC-1  gives the following "breaking change"

Does this now solve the above problem? 

Till then, I'm back using Trevor method of keep a second instance of LC open for SA's
==========
Standalone Building

The standalone builder has always needed to close the stacks it builds for reasons pretty deeply
ingrained in the code. However this causes a few problems, for example:
values in script locals become empty
behaviors are broken when the parent script is on / in a stack which closes
As an attempt to improve this situation, the code that locks messages when closing and opening
stacks for standalone builds has been removed. This means that where previously mainstacks
would not receive openStack and closeStack messages during standalone build, they now do.
If this causes problems for your stack, you can exit from the handler if standalone building is in

progress:

on closeStack
if the mode of stack "revStandaloneProgress" > 0 then
exit closesStack
end if
end closeStack
LiveCode




From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Tue Jul 10 16:29:02 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 20:29:02 +0000
Subject: Mobile Launch Camera
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2655.1531253406.4609.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20180710202902.Horde.MhNFjSDkG2t0NteEXA0M6pL@ua850258.serversignin.com>

mobilePickPhoto will launch the device camera, but not actually open  
the OS based Camera app. There is a nice lesson available @  
http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4069/l/30490-how-do-i-capture-images-in-livecode-mobile

--Andrew Bell

> From: Dan Friedman <dan at clearvisiontech.com>
> To: "use-livecode at lists.runrev.com" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Mobile Launch Camera
> Message-ID: <6BAF92B1-5213-4C1F-86B2-F6F860D6EAF4 at clearvisiontech.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Greeting!
>
> Is it possible to launch the camera app on mobile?     I have a  
> button in an app that when tapped, should launch the [native] camera  
> app and select ?Video?.  Another button should launch the camera app  
> and select ?Photo?.   Is that possible?  If so, how?   Perhaps some  
> variation of the launch command?
>
> I am aware of mobilePickPhoto and mobilePickMedia.  I don?t want to  
> import content, I want to physically open the camera app on the  
> user?s device.
>
> Thank you in advance,
> -Dan





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 10 16:31:18 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 20:31:18 +0000
Subject: Transitioning to LiveCode 9...
In-Reply-To: <5ade64ae-bd46-1e32-1910-acb52899bf33@researchware.com>
References: <5ade64ae-bd46-1e32-1910-acb52899bf33@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <9C6B4238-69BD-4F6C-804B-60DD50A4763B@iotecdigital.com>

Well you will be glad to know the search (and replace) feature has been so vastly improved that what used to take over a minute to search all substacks for, now takes 3 or 4 seconds. The replace function is just as fast. You could search for "the effective label" and replace it with "the label" with I think, complete confidence, in all your scripts all at once. 

I wouldn't try globally replacing variables beginning with "the" with "t" of course, that would be disastrous. :-)

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2018, at 11:20 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> In LC6.7.11 you could say 'set the effective label of button X to Y' and
> it worked (it essentially ignored the 'effective' keyword and set the
> label property). Now this is not sound syntax and I have no idea why the
> code (which has had many developers work on it) used the 'effective'
> keyword in a set statement. I suspect "Copy and Paste" was the cuprit.
> Irregardless, it works in LC6.7.11
> 
> In LC9.0.0, the same line, 'set the effective label of button X to Y'
> throws a syntax error (probably rightly so!). However, it does mean I
> now have to change what seems like a zillion instances of 'set the
> effective label ...' to just 'set the label ...'
> 
> Uggh!




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 10 16:31:51 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 20:31:51 +0000
Subject: Transitioning to LiveCode 9...
In-Reply-To: <16485d099f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5ade64ae-bd46-1e32-1910-acb52899bf33@researchware.com>
	<16485d099f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7A3C7613-CB91-401E-9BE1-DD76BC878DD8@iotecdigital.com>

My way of saying it sounded better. More words. ;-)

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2018, at 13:09 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Use the Find and Replace dialog (Edit menu) and you can change them all with a single click.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul 10 16:38:19 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:38:19 -0400
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>

mike i'm really curious about what you are building to be running LC as a
(web?) service?  I've done some tests with that but i have yet to gain
complete clarity that I can use it the way I want ..... I've done some very
basic testing on a centos box on digital ocean.  my bash code loooked like
this before i got to the service

yum -y install fontconfig freetype freetype-devel fontconfig-devel libstdc++
yum -y install wget
yum install monit

thats all i needed to run it and i had successful connections....,(I
think....I also tested locally so i can't be sur)  but ran into trouble
when the requests went over a certain size then even my local running
standalone couldn't get the data that the request included. i was using the
httd library to accept and reply to requests.

so i'm curious about your experience with that when you get to it.



On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hoping someone can help me shortcut this..
> If I start with an alpine image, what things do I need to add so that LC
> executables will run?  (using the -ui flag)
> Or would I be better off starting with another base?   I'm looking to end
> up with smallest possible docker that can do the job.
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul 10 16:40:58 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:40:58 -0400
Subject: Transitioning to LiveCode 9...
In-Reply-To: <7A3C7613-CB91-401E-9BE1-DD76BC878DD8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5ade64ae-bd46-1e32-1910-acb52899bf33@researchware.com>
	<16485d099f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7A3C7613-CB91-401E-9BE1-DD76BC878DD8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLLQmjrLQ1DHe1odXFuWSrrEwcH0cGxF3tpiLYeFdhPKAg@mail.gmail.com>

wonder how that optimization happened .... big improvement.  might go look
into the ide code.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 4:31 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> My way of saying it sounded better. More words. ;-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 2018, at 13:09 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Use the Find and Replace dialog (Edit menu) and you can change them all
> with a single click.
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 10 16:55:14 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:55:14 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <932BF868-23B8-4ECD-AF39-C9B3C7F5AB59@hindu.org>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<63799556-101a-e667-9046-5d5d5123b4b2@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAJR0Q1gb70FTiQjqQ5rwrjYAu32i8aL3=ejcTUG_Jav9QfW8ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<43b70817-9add-ad54-c452-acc95332eeec@hyperactivesw.com>
	<932BF868-23B8-4ECD-AF39-C9B3C7F5AB59@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <5e42584a-1a1b-ac5d-4a1f-10f24aa12762@hyperactivesw.com>

It isn't so much a LC issue, you need to update via the SDK manager. On 
my Mac, I double-click the "android" file at 
/android-sdk-macosx/tools/android. That launches the SDK manager where 
you can choose the updates you want to install.

I'm still using the old command line tools, but I believe there is a way 
to get the same thing in Android Studio also.

On 7/10/18 8:37 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Where is the documentation how to do this correctly?
> 
> For a Mac Android developer
> 
> ??
> 
> 
> J. Landman
>      Android devs should note
>      that you need to have SDK 8 or higher installed (the informative
>      notification dialog was a big help here.) I installed 7, 8, and 8.1 and
>      LC then allowed me to re-select the SDK in preferences, the phone showed
>      up in the Target menu, and I could do a test build.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From paul at researchware.com  Tue Jul 10 17:15:10 2018
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:15:10 -0400
Subject: Transitioning to LiveCode 9...
In-Reply-To: <5ade64ae-bd46-1e32-1910-acb52899bf33@researchware.com>
References: <5ade64ae-bd46-1e32-1910-acb52899bf33@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <8e9739c6-df72-d25e-95f4-b00ee5d12243@researchware.com>

Thanks all!

I had given up on using find and replace in the IDE many version ago.
The performance and assorted glitchy issues just led me to keep a text
file with the all my scripts and search that with a text editor and then
go open the specific object script in the IDE to change something.

With the endorsements of LC9's find and replace and made a back up of
the app and gave it a try. You are 100% right, super fast and super
accurate!




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 17:40:29 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:40:29 -0600
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>

Mostly i'm looking to learn how things work, but the end goal is to a) have
a front lc based controller (httpd) that can hand off jobs to a pool of
docker "processors," and getting a handle on how to dynamically spin up
more instances based on demand.  (kubernetes?)  I don't know enough yet to
use the right words.  I could do all this exploration without lc, but it is
so much easier to put together whatever processors I want in lc, so that I
can spend most of my (limited) energy focusing on the docker side.

One thing I may try to set up..  I have an old HP z800, with 24 possible
threads, and I also have most of the (english) files from project
gutenberg. I'd like to process and index all those files into a searchable
database, using 24 docker images at once, each assigned to a core.  IE take
advantage of my knowledge of LC, while at the same time, bypassing its
single thread limitations.

I have a similar goal with a bunch of climate data from
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/datatools that I want to use to calculate
worldwide temperature trends.  (Both of these things, as well as all the
docker stuff are over my head right now, but maybe I can close that gap.)


On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:38 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> mike i'm really curious about what you are building to be running LC as a
> (web?) service?  I've done some tests with that but i have yet to gain
> complete clarity that I can use it the way I want ..... I've done some very
> basic testing on a centos box on digital ocean.  my bash code loooked like
> this before i got to the service
>
> yum -y install fontconfig freetype freetype-devel fontconfig-devel
> libstdc++
> yum -y install wget
> yum install monit
>
> thats all i needed to run it and i had successful connections....,(I
> think....I also tested locally so i can't be sur)  but ran into trouble
> when the requests went over a certain size then even my local running
> standalone couldn't get the data that the request included. i was using the
> httd library to accept and reply to requests.
>
> so i'm curious about your experience with that when you get to it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hoping someone can help me shortcut this..
> > If I start with an alpine image, what things do I need to add so that LC
> > executables will run?  (using the -ui flag)
> > Or would I be better off starting with another base?   I'm looking to end
> > up with smallest possible docker that can do the job.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> > subscription preferences:
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From dougr at telus.net  Tue Jul 10 19:20:05 2018
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas Ruisaard)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:20:05 -0700
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: cyxnfMgdf2nwVcyxsfYlBJ
References: cyxnfMgdf2nwVcyxsfYlBJ
Message-ID: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>

Ah... I feel your pain... Of course, a little bird has told me that the "HackIntosh" approach is WAY cheaper than original Apple hardware and "rumor" has it that such implementations run up to High Sierra perfectly on ridiculously inexpensive platforms.  Naturally, these are all just vicious rumors meant to undermine Apple's sterling and well defended market share ... justifying costs beyond those of normal human budgets... so you never heard it from me!  Apple rules!

Douglas Ruisaard
Trilogy Software
(250) 573-3935

> Subject: Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
> Message-ID: <af4cad3f-059e-4615-7b17-9f5dcf262dfe at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> "elucidation" might be too posh a word for a few simple facts:
> 
> 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be upgraded above 10.7.5
> 
> 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 10/7/2018 10:06 pm, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> > Sorry if I missed something.. but, Richmond (or anyone, for that matter), could you elucidate on the
> specifics of which systems confine you to LC v8?  Or at least which systems YOU employ which are not
> compatible with LC v9...
> >
> > If there are such systems or a list of known incompatibilities regarding LC v9, other than those
> listed in the release notes, I (and I suspect the community) would appreciate knowing about them and
> have them encapsulated in one place.
> >
> > Are they OS issues or specific application restrictions? ... or reported bugs?
> >
> > Douglas Ruisaard
> > Trilogy Software
> > (250) 573-3935
> >
> >> It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix
> >> this problem for those of us confined to systems that cannot work with LC 9.
> >>
> >> Richmond.
> >>
> >> On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-daemon at meg.on-rev.com wrote:
> >>> Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> changed bug 19998
> >>> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998>
> >>> What 	Removed 	Added
> >>> Status 	AWAITING_RELEASE 	RESOLVED
> >>> Resolution 	--- 	FIXED
> >>>
> >>> *Comment # 5 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998#c5>
> >>> on bug 19998 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998>
> >>> from Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> * Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> This bug is now fixed in LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1:
> >>>
> >>> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Panos
> >
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jul 10 19:42:13 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 16:42:13 -0700
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>

On 07/10/2018 02:40 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> Mostly i'm looking to learn how things work, but the end goal is to a) have
> a front lc based controller (httpd) that can hand off jobs to a pool of
> docker "processors," and getting a handle on how to dynamically spin up
> more instances based on demand.  (kubernetes?)  I don't know enough yet to

Kubernetes for sure.
This should get you started:

https://deis.com/blog/2016/kubernetes-illustrated-guide/

or if you prefer the video version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ht22ReBjno

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 20:00:08 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:00:08 -0600
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSodCg29xFcR3Zd4o5dk0dpBNix+e-fxePzfAwAhXWxykA@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you!

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 5:42 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 07/10/2018 02:40 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> > Mostly i'm looking to learn how things work, but the end goal is to a)
> have
> > a front lc based controller (httpd) that can hand off jobs to a pool of
> > docker "processors," and getting a handle on how to dynamically spin up
> > more instances based on demand.  (kubernetes?)  I don't know enough yet
> to
>
> Kubernetes for sure.
> This should get you started:
>
> https://deis.com/blog/2016/kubernetes-illustrated-guide/
>
> or if you prefer the video version:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ht22ReBjno
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 20:01:49 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:01:49 -0600
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSodCg29xFcR3Zd4o5dk0dpBNix+e-fxePzfAwAhXWxykA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<CAG1cpSodCg29xFcR3Zd4o5dk0dpBNix+e-fxePzfAwAhXWxykA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSq9nQnfY5XAUh8N7gej8j5t=EDvqMSARmMtJ4iAn+eAPg@mail.gmail.com>

Love that its a childrens guide. Definitely my speed.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 6:00 PM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you!
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 5:42 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/10/2018 02:40 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>> > Mostly i'm looking to learn how things work, but the end goal is to a)
>> have
>> > a front lc based controller (httpd) that can hand off jobs to a pool of
>> > docker "processors," and getting a handle on how to dynamically spin up
>> > more instances based on demand.  (kubernetes?)  I don't know enough yet
>> to
>>
>> Kubernetes for sure.
>> This should get you started:
>>
>> https://deis.com/blog/2016/kubernetes-illustrated-guide/
>>
>> or if you prefer the video version:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ht22ReBjno
>>
>> --
>>   Mark Wieder
>>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
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From stephen at barncard.com  Tue Jul 10 20:42:35 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:42:35 -0700
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJUhUmDtg2RZ7QiroxLLdysCkvmr4ewDw6n=zZz956njg@mail.gmail.com>

In the end Hacks require creation of a boot rom from unsupported sources.
Copyright?
it's also a bit of work.



--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Ah... I feel your pain... Of course, a little bird has told me that the
> "HackIntosh" approach is WAY cheaper than original Apple hardware and
> "rumor" has it that such implementations run up to High Sierra perfectly on
> ridiculously inexpensive platforms.  Naturally, these are all just vicious
> rumors meant to undermine Apple's sterling and well defended market share
> ... justifying costs beyond those of normal human budgets... so you never
> heard it from me!  Apple rules!
>
> Douglas Ruisaard
> Trilogy Software
> (250) 573-3935
>
> > Subject: Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
> > Message-ID: <af4cad3f-059e-4615-7b17-9f5dcf262dfe at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >
> > "elucidation" might be too posh a word for a few simple facts:
> >
> > 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be
> upgraded above 10.7.5
> >
> > 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
> > On 10/7/2018 10:06 pm, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Sorry if I missed something.. but, Richmond (or anyone, for that
> matter), could you elucidate on the
> > specifics of which systems confine you to LC v8?  Or at least which
> systems YOU employ which are not
> > compatible with LC v9...
> > >
> > > If there are such systems or a list of known incompatibilities
> regarding LC v9, other than those
> > listed in the release notes, I (and I suspect the community) would
> appreciate knowing about them and
> > have them encapsulated in one place.
> > >
> > > Are they OS issues or specific application restrictions? ... or
> reported bugs?
> > >
> > > Douglas Ruisaard
> > > Trilogy Software
> > > (250) 573-3935
> > >
> > >> It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix
> > >> this problem for those of us confined to systems that cannot work
> with LC 9.
> > >>
> > >> Richmond.
> > >>
> > >> On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-daemon at meg.on-rev.com wrote:
> > >>> Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> changed bug 19998
> > >>> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998>
> > >>> What      Removed         Added
> > >>> Status    AWAITING_RELEASE        RESOLVED
> > >>> Resolution        ---     FIXED
> > >>>
> > >>> *Comment # 5 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998#c5>
> > >>> on bug 19998 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998>
> > >>> from Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> * Hi all,
> > >>>
> > >>> This bug is now fixed in LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1:
> > >>>
> > >>> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>> Panos
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 11 00:04:42 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:04:42 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <08156505-3CAB-4206-A9CA-DEE2756C90BD@gmail.com>
References: <08156505-3CAB-4206-A9CA-DEE2756C90BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c71b1294-1557-ffce-9aca-b4d78c1e4cce@fourthworld.com>

William Prothero wrote:

 > On 07/09/2018 01:41 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
 >> Here (Los Angeles) the download is estimated to take three hours.
 >> Could this be a repeat of the CDN issue you'd corrected a few weeks
 >> ago?
 >
 > A speedy 6hrs estimated here in White Salmon, Washington.
 > Guess I?ll have to wait until later this evening.

Last time the CDN was doing selective regional throttling my workaround 
was to log into a server in a very different area (one of my VPSes is in 
New Jersey), use wget to download it there, and then download to my 
local machine from my VPS.  Sure, it was a couple extra steps, but it 
cut download time from hours to minutes.

If you have a remote VPS sufficiently far away may be worth trying until 
Cloudflare sorts itself out.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 11 00:08:30 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:08:30 -0700
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35fb7bf3-0d65-e46a-df7a-f6ebd5ed4a23@fourthworld.com>

https://hub.docker.com/r/techstrategies/livecode/

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Wed Jul 11 00:17:48 2018
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:17:48 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <c71b1294-1557-ffce-9aca-b4d78c1e4cce@fourthworld.com>
References: <08156505-3CAB-4206-A9CA-DEE2756C90BD@gmail.com>
	<c71b1294-1557-ffce-9aca-b4d78c1e4cce@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A11ADA74-5465-485C-993A-27A3AA456E23@earthlearningsolutions.org>

Richard,
Got it. Took overnight.
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 10, 2018, at 9:04 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> William Prothero wrote:
> 
> > On 07/09/2018 01:41 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Here (Los Angeles) the download is estimated to take three hours.
> >> Could this be a repeat of the CDN issue you'd corrected a few weeks
> >> ago?
> >
> > A speedy 6hrs estimated here in White Salmon, Washington.
> > Guess I?ll have to wait until later this evening.
> 
> Last time the CDN was doing selective regional throttling my workaround was to log into a server in a very different area (one of my VPSes is in New Jersey), use wget to download it there, and then download to my local machine from my VPS.  Sure, it was a couple extra steps, but it cut download time from hours to minutes.
> 
> If you have a remote VPS sufficiently far away may be worth trying until Cloudflare sorts itself out.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 11 00:18:44 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:18:44 -0700
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
Message-ID: <26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

 > 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be
 > upgraded above 10.7.5
 >
 > 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.

FWIW I've found good deals on used Mac Minis on eBay.

Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware 
obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained 
apparently their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jul 11 00:46:26 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 21:46:26 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <4EA42165-155D-40A8-8A5B-917A5D63D705@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<c3409362-82e3-0591-244f-0d1677254fcc@fourthworld.com>
	<82a178e0-6377-11cd-2a1a-ea62b9aa4600@sonic.net>
	<975c66ef-7741-466d-808f-91acdf5ee1b0@hyperactivesw.com>
	<84ea4a4c-14e0-7b3d-d09f-8d1ffe1de9ee@sonic.net>
	<4EA42165-155D-40A8-8A5B-917A5D63D705@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8a451558-1e73-906c-4447-39fcf43975f0@sonic.net>

On 07/09/2018 03:45 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> It's the quarks that don't have as far to go, on account of their travelling faster than light. Electrons are the pedestrians of the space time continuum.

...bartender says "we don't serve tachyons in here"

A tachyon walks into a bar...

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 11 01:32:37 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 22:32:37 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <8a451558-1e73-906c-4447-39fcf43975f0@sonic.net>
References: <8a451558-1e73-906c-4447-39fcf43975f0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <b77e900e-ec8b-4dae-e0b1-ad1aaee4c637@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
 > ...bartender says "we don't serve tachyons in here"
 >
 > A tachyon walks into a bar...

That sounds like a UDP joke, but maybe you didn't get it.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Wed Jul 11 01:51:42 2018
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 22:51:42 -0700
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
	<26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <37B5D8C9-B6AB-44A3-8F45-8CA10CE15A0E@earthlearningsolutions.org>

I wonder if, rather than buying a new computer, running Linux on a VMware, Parallels, or even boot camp. But then, can a Linux version create Mac standalone?
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 10, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Richmond wrote:
> 
> > 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be
> > upgraded above 10.7.5
> >
> > 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.
> 
> FWIW I've found good deals on used Mac Minis on eBay.
> 
> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jul 11 02:06:28 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 23:06:28 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <b77e900e-ec8b-4dae-e0b1-ad1aaee4c637@fourthworld.com>
References: <8a451558-1e73-906c-4447-39fcf43975f0@sonic.net>
	<b77e900e-ec8b-4dae-e0b1-ad1aaee4c637@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <720edb74-56a8-e025-ade1-91616199f282@sonic.net>

On 07/10/2018 10:32 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>  > ...bartender says "we don't serve tachyons in here"
>  >
>  > A tachyon walks into a bar...
> 
> That sounds like a UDP joke, but maybe you didn't get it.
> 

<groan>

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 03:39:37 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:39:37 +0300
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHJUhUmDtg2RZ7QiroxLLdysCkvmr4ewDw6n=zZz956njg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
	<CAFmQfHJUhUmDtg2RZ7QiroxLLdysCkvmr4ewDw6n=zZz956njg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6bfe9044-cbd3-c5ac-315b-4c4e06cd021a@gmail.com>

Frankly my morals are a bit "flexible" in the area of Hackintoshes, but 
my laziness tells me that
I'd be far better to get my Linux box sorted out . . . as:

1. Although Macintoshes are "jolly pretty" and easy to use, I have, to 
be honest,
got past the stage of playing with plastic ducks in the bathtub, and the 
rigidity of the
Macintosh family of operating systems does get on my nerves.

2. For about $100 I can get a Linux system that "beats the cr*p" out of 
a Macintosh.

3. After the Hackintosh suggestion I spent 15 minutes looking at how to 
set up a Mac system on non-Mac
hardware and I really wondered what would happen pumping diesel into my 
two-stroke moped.

4. The ONLY reason I reverted to Macintosh (1993-2005 Macs, 2005-2016 
Linux, 2016-2018 Macs)
was that I was able to lay my sweaty paws on some rather groovy 
Polycarbonate 2006 iMacs.

These iMacs are super as far as they go. But with LiveCode 9 they don't go.

----------

There was a time when standalones for Macintosh pumped out of LiveCode 
running on Linux would
not behave themselves on Macintosh: it would help me greatly if someone 
could let me know if
that is still the case.

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 3:42 am, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
> In the end Hacks require creation of a boot rom from unsupported sources.
> Copyright?
> it's also a bit of work.
>
>
>
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Ah... I feel your pain... Of course, a little bird has told me that the
>> "HackIntosh" approach is WAY cheaper than original Apple hardware and
>> "rumor" has it that such implementations run up to High Sierra perfectly on
>> ridiculously inexpensive platforms.  Naturally, these are all just vicious
>> rumors meant to undermine Apple's sterling and well defended market share
>> ... justifying costs beyond those of normal human budgets... so you never
>> heard it from me!  Apple rules!
>>
>> Douglas Ruisaard
>> Trilogy Software
>> (250) 573-3935
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
>>> Message-ID: <af4cad3f-059e-4615-7b17-9f5dcf262dfe at gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>
>>> "elucidation" might be too posh a word for a few simple facts:
>>>
>>> 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be
>> upgraded above 10.7.5
>>> 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>> On 10/7/2018 10:06 pm, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Sorry if I missed something.. but, Richmond (or anyone, for that
>> matter), could you elucidate on the
>>> specifics of which systems confine you to LC v8?  Or at least which
>> systems YOU employ which are not
>>> compatible with LC v9...
>>>> If there are such systems or a list of known incompatibilities
>> regarding LC v9, other than those
>>> listed in the release notes, I (and I suspect the community) would
>> appreciate knowing about them and
>>> have them encapsulated in one place.
>>>> Are they OS issues or specific application restrictions? ... or
>> reported bugs?
>>>> Douglas Ruisaard
>>>> Trilogy Software
>>>> (250) 573-3935
>>>>
>>>>> It would be LOVELY if there were to be a version 8.1.11 just to fix
>>>>> this problem for those of us confined to systems that cannot work
>> with LC 9.
>>>>> Richmond.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/7/2018 9:05 pm, bugzilla-daemon at meg.on-rev.com wrote:
>>>>>> Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> changed bug 19998
>>>>>> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998>
>>>>>> What      Removed         Added
>>>>>> Status    AWAITING_RELEASE        RESOLVED
>>>>>> Resolution        ---     FIXED
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Comment # 5 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998#c5>
>>>>>> on bug 19998 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19998>
>>>>>> from Panos Merakos <mailto:panos.merakos at livecode.com> * Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This bug is now fixed in LiveCode 9.0.1 RC-1:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Panos
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
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>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 03:41:03 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:41:03 +0300
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
	<26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <056ed3f6-578f-634d-d689-f871eb9a7826@gmail.com>

There's 2 good bits of advice.

Thanks.

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 7:18 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
> > 1. I use LiveCode, mainly, on a Macintosh computer that cannot be
> > upgraded above 10.7.5
> >
> > 2. I have no money to buy a newer machine.
>
> FWIW I've found good deals on used Mac Minis on eBay.
>
> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware 
> obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained 
> apparently their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Wed Jul 11 07:15:32 2018
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:15:32 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
Message-ID: <00b301d41908$7ca33310$75e99930$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
 > ...bartender says "we don't serve tachyons in here"
 >
 > A tachyon walks into a bar...

I don't have time for tachyon jokes :)

Hugh Senior
FLCo




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 07:36:05 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:36:05 +0300
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <00b301d41908$7ca33310$75e99930$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <00b301d41908$7ca33310$75e99930$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <1bc70f13-90b5-740e-846c-7feb43f1756c@gmail.com>

Oh, yeah?

Next you'll be telling me that all your Quarks are charmed!

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 2:15 pm, FlexibleLearning.com via use-livecode wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>   > ...bartender says "we don't serve tachyons in here"
>   >
>   > A tachyon walks into a bar...
>
> I don't have time for tachyon jokes :)
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Wed Jul 11 09:38:57 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:38:57 -0400
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <35fb7bf3-0d65-e46a-df7a-f6ebd5ed4a23@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<35fb7bf3-0d65-e46a-df7a-f6ebd5ed4a23@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLLqhwCvVkyaHLGtkGF43WonVgP3agvJ3_mcgtW=pc4UdA@mail.gmail.com>

Way cool Mike....I hope you share your findings and experiments with us.

On a similar wavelength.....

I am preparing a demo on multi-core processing with LC for the september
conference.  Of course its not true multi-core processing ..... but hoping
to get good speed-ups results on a variety of tasks. Like search, api calls
& requests, and anything that can maximize cpu usage.  i need it for my own
work so its a great way of getting things done.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:08 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> https://hub.docker.com/r/techstrategies/livecode/
>
> --
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>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 11 10:36:34 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:36:34 +0000
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
	<26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>

Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a device. But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer device is obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current software. But a third level of Obsolecense can be concieved as when a device can no longer perform it's function for which it was obtained. 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 11 10:38:51 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:38:51 +0000
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78D717D1-80B2-45B3-AD3F-319F4FBA280C@iotecdigital.com>

You may want to reserve a couple cores for the OS. 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2018, at 14:40 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Mostly i'm looking to learn how things work, but the end goal is to a) have
> a front lc based controller (httpd) that can hand off jobs to a pool of
> docker "processors," and getting a handle on how to dynamically spin up
> more instances based on demand.  (kubernetes?)  I don't know enough yet to
> use the right words.  I could do all this exploration without lc, but it is
> so much easier to put together whatever processors I want in lc, so that I
> can spend most of my (limited) energy focusing on the docker side.
> 
> One thing I may try to set up..  I have an old HP z800, with 24 possible
> threads, and I also have most of the (english) files from project
> gutenberg. I'd like to process and index all those files into a searchable
> database, using 24 docker images at once, each assigned to a core.  IE take
> advantage of my knowledge of LC, while at the same time, bypassing its
> single thread limitations.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 11 10:52:02 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:52:02 +0000
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>

Cute. Sounds like sandboxing for clone processes. 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2018, at 16:42 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Kubernetes for sure.
> This should get you started:
> 
> https://deis.com/blog/2016/kubernetes-illustrated-guide/




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 10:59:42 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:59:42 +0300
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
	<26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
	<EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <b12b2e93-242f-0fe3-4216-03b97801d91a@gmail.com>

Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t 
list with reasons why:

1. EOL.  I use Bryce 7 for producing 3D models even thought it was "EOL" 
10 years ago (and ( was able to buy it for $10).
                I use LiveCode 7.1.4 on a regular basis as its interface 
is a lot less cluttered than the subsequent versions of LiveCode;
                and I like coloured icons.

2. Obsolete.

2.1.  Currently composing electronic music on a BBC Model B from 1981 
and saving the programs onto a cassette recorder.
2.2.  Running Hypercard and other PPC-only software on a G5 
polycarbonate iMac.
2.3.  Always check my Maths on a British Thornton Sliderule that Mum and 
Dad gave me for my 13th birthday in 1975.
2.4.  Have an iSight WebCam connected via the Firewire port on my 2006 
Intel polycarbonate imac as it is a lot more
          flexible than the rather silly built-in camera on the front of 
the iMac.
2.5.  Use Belkin Nostromo 50 and 52 gamepads as controller devices when 
programming with LiveCode.
2.6.  My EFL school uses a whole host of "obsolete" PCs to deliver 
content reinforcement software I have written with LiveCode
          via various versions of Xubuntu: the youngest machine is about 
12 years old.
2.7.  Use a pair of polycarbonate iMacs (2006) in my school to allow 
children to have fun remotely programming various floor robots
          via Bluetooth.
2.8.  Use a polycarbonate iMac (2006) (as does my wife) with a second 
monitor as my "main man" for almost everything.

2.9.  I use a hand-drill my great-aunt gave my grandfather as a present 
when he came back to Glasgow after the first World War
for all those needs for which a power drill is just a pain-in-the-bum 
and too much bother.

2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my 
great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).

2.11.  My raincoat was something my Uncle picked up when he worked for 
Aquascutum in 1972.

2.12. I cut my bread with a knife made from part of the front wheel 
cover of a 1932 Fordson tractor made for
           me as a present by a farmer in Orkney in 1983.

3. Upgrade.

I am sure that about 90% of this is commercial push.

4. Update.

quod erat demonstrandum

4.1. Some pillock tried to tell me that Latin was obsolete the other day 
. . .

As far as I can see the ONLY reason to get hold of something new is if 
that new thing will allow you to a vast number of things
that the thing it is set to replace is unable to do.

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 5:36 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a device. But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer device is obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current software. But a third level of Obsolecense can be concieved as when a device can no longer perform it's function for which it was obtained.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
>>
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>
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> use-livecode mailing list
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 11 11:06:18 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:06:18 +0000
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <b12b2e93-242f-0fe3-4216-03b97801d91a@gmail.com>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
	<26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
	<EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>
	<b12b2e93-242f-0fe3-4216-03b97801d91a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <055FC371-0BA0-4285-AE79-2C53C3E0ABED@iotecdigital.com>

And may I point out that the Colt 1911 .45 caliber handgun made in that same year is far from obsolete. :-)

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 07:59 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).




From brahma at hindu.org  Wed Jul 11 11:08:11 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:08:11 +0000
Subject: 9.0.1 "Become An Android Developer"
Message-ID: <CE01E500-A1A5-476C-B5C5-31CD777F9199@hindu.org>

["not a Livecode issue" -- I still think that a lesson on this in needed, and that it be maintained for each change required for us to develop on Android, and be detailed as much as possible}

OK, I tried by my best,

1) /Users/brahmanathaswami/OneDrive/App-Development/android-sdk-macosx/tools/android
2) Clicked --> a whole lot of options appear. I don't know I am doing, so it is a fishing expedition...
3) I chose Android 8.0.0 (API 26); check the SDK Platform, uncheck the rest (TV, Wear, Pac, Google API, and Source for Android SDK)
4) install packages....(takes some time)
5) go to 9.0.1 rc1 preferences
6) install Android: recognized: jdk1.8.0_171.jdk
7) IDE Test: Yep... I see my device.
8) build for android.... it hangs on installing to device.
9) I have reboot Livecode
10) go to terminal... 
Brahmanathaswamis-MacBook-Pro:platform-tools brahmanathaswami$ ./adb devices
List of devices attached
FA6990304414	connecting

What am I missing?

BR


    J. Landman 
        Android devs should note 
        that you need to have SDK 8 or higher installed (the informative 
        notification dialog was a big help here.) I installed 7, 8, and 8.1 and 
        LC then allowed me to re-select the SDK in preferences, the phone showed 
        up in the Target menu, and I could do a test build.
    
    


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 11:11:08 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:11:08 +0300
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <055FC371-0BA0-4285-AE79-2C53C3E0ABED@iotecdigital.com>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
	<26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
	<EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>
	<b12b2e93-242f-0fe3-4216-03b97801d91a@gmail.com>
	<055FC371-0BA0-4285-AE79-2C53C3E0ABED@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <b06cebfd-ee65-04b0-72e9-4d9994f5db80@gmail.com>

Just don't shoot me until after I've brushed my hair (and changed my 
underpants).

[and before the comments roll: I buy new underpants about twice a year: 
no 1911 long-johns for me.]

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 6:06 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> And may I point out that the Colt 1911 .45 caliber handgun made in that same year is far from obsolete. :-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 11, 2018, at 07:59 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).
>
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From brahma at hindu.org  Wed Jul 11 11:27:17 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:27:17 +0000
Subject: 9.0.1 "Become An Android Developer"
In-Reply-To: <CE01E500-A1A5-476C-B5C5-31CD777F9199@hindu.org>
References: <CE01E500-A1A5-476C-B5C5-31CD777F9199@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <2050719D-BCF2-47BA-858E-23A5C3315145@hindu.org>

Well, I rebooted the photo. That fixed it... seems it need to see the newly installed SDK.

Brahmanathaswami
 

?On 7/11/18, 5:11 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    ["not a Livecode issue" -- I still think that a lesson on this in needed, and that it be maintained for each change required for us to develop on Android, and be detailed as much as possible}
    
    OK, I tried by my best,
    
    1) /Users/brahmanathaswami/OneDrive/App-Development/android-sdk-macosx/tools/android
    2) Clicked --> a whole lot of options appear. I don't know I am doing, so it is a fishing expedition...
    3) I chose Android 8.0.0 (API 26); check the SDK Platform, uncheck the rest (TV, Wear, Pac, Google API, and Source for Android SDK)
    4) install packages....(takes some time)
    5) go to 9.0.1 rc1 preferences
    6) install Android: recognized: jdk1.8.0_171.jdk
    7) IDE Test: Yep... I see my device.
    8) build for android.... it hangs on installing to device.
    9) I have reboot Livecode
    10) go to terminal... 
    Brahmanathaswamis-MacBook-Pro:platform-tools brahmanathaswami$ ./adb devices
    List of devices attached
    FA6990304414	connecting
    
    What am I missing?
    
    BR


From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Wed Jul 11 11:37:55 2018
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 08:37:55 -0700
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <b12b2e93-242f-0fe3-4216-03b97801d91a@gmail.com>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
	<26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
	<EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>
	<b12b2e93-242f-0fe3-4216-03b97801d91a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D621311-4E9D-473B-A988-5997564827B7@earthlearningsolutions.org>

Richmond,
Just wondering how you have time to do all that you do!
I?m awed!
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t list with reasons why:
> 
> 1. EOL.  I use Bryce 7 for producing 3D models even thought it was "EOL" 10 years ago (and ( was able to buy it for $10).
>               I use LiveCode 7.1.4 on a regular basis as its interface is a lot less cluttered than the subsequent versions of LiveCode;
>               and I like coloured icons.
> 
> 2. Obsolete.
> 
> 2.1.  Currently composing electronic music on a BBC Model B from 1981 and saving the programs onto a cassette recorder.
> 2.2.  Running Hypercard and other PPC-only software on a G5 polycarbonate iMac.
> 2.3.  Always check my Maths on a British Thornton Sliderule that Mum and Dad gave me for my 13th birthday in 1975.
> 2.4.  Have an iSight WebCam connected via the Firewire port on my 2006 Intel polycarbonate imac as it is a lot more
>         flexible than the rather silly built-in camera on the front of the iMac.
> 2.5.  Use Belkin Nostromo 50 and 52 gamepads as controller devices when programming with LiveCode.
> 2.6.  My EFL school uses a whole host of "obsolete" PCs to deliver content reinforcement software I have written with LiveCode
>         via various versions of Xubuntu: the youngest machine is about 12 years old.
> 2.7.  Use a pair of polycarbonate iMacs (2006) in my school to allow children to have fun remotely programming various floor robots
>         via Bluetooth.
> 2.8.  Use a polycarbonate iMac (2006) (as does my wife) with a second monitor as my "main man" for almost everything.
> 
> 2.9.  I use a hand-drill my great-aunt gave my grandfather as a present when he came back to Glasgow after the first World War
> for all those needs for which a power drill is just a pain-in-the-bum and too much bother.
> 
> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).
> 
> 2.11.  My raincoat was something my Uncle picked up when he worked for Aquascutum in 1972.
> 
> 2.12. I cut my bread with a knife made from part of the front wheel cover of a 1932 Fordson tractor made for
>          me as a present by a farmer in Orkney in 1983.
> 
> 3. Upgrade.
> 
> I am sure that about 90% of this is commercial push.
> 
> 4. Update.
> 
> quod erat demonstrandum
> 
> 4.1. Some pillock tried to tell me that Latin was obsolete the other day . . .
> 
> As far as I can see the ONLY reason to get hold of something new is if that new thing will allow you to a vast number of things
> that the thing it is set to replace is unable to do.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
>> On 11/7/2018 5:36 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a device. But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer device is obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current software. But a third level of Obsolecense can be concieved as when a device can no longer perform it's function for which it was obtained.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Systems
>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From stephen at barncard.com  Wed Jul 11 12:10:14 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:10:14 -0700
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <b12b2e93-242f-0fe3-4216-03b97801d91a@gmail.com>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>
	<26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>
	<EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>
	<b12b2e93-242f-0fe3-4216-03b97801d91a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+rBd1e3uGfhdEC=F=6SYkHD+P_dgPRZU-xo8cfgTKqtg@mail.gmail.com>

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

sqb

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 7:59 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Here are some rude words and phrases that come pretty high on my sh*t list
> with reasons why:
>
> 1. EOL.  I use Bryce 7 for producing 3D models even thought it was "EOL"
> 10 years ago (and ( was able to buy it for $10).
>                I use LiveCode 7.1.4 on a regular basis as its interface is
> a lot less cluttered than the subsequent versions of LiveCode;
>                and I like coloured icons.
>
> 2. Obsolete.
>
> 2.1.  Currently composing electronic music on a BBC Model B from 1981 and
> saving the programs onto a cassette recorder.
> 2.2.  Running Hypercard and other PPC-only software on a G5 polycarbonate
> iMac.
> 2.3.  Always check my Maths on a British Thornton Sliderule that Mum and
> Dad gave me for my 13th birthday in 1975.
> 2.4.  Have an iSight WebCam connected via the Firewire port on my 2006
> Intel polycarbonate imac as it is a lot more
>          flexible than the rather silly built-in camera on the front of
> the iMac.
> 2.5.  Use Belkin Nostromo 50 and 52 gamepads as controller devices when
> programming with LiveCode.
> 2.6.  My EFL school uses a whole host of "obsolete" PCs to deliver content
> reinforcement software I have written with LiveCode
>          via various versions of Xubuntu: the youngest machine is about 12
> years old.
> 2.7.  Use a pair of polycarbonate iMacs (2006) in my school to allow
> children to have fun remotely programming various floor robots
>          via Bluetooth.
> 2.8.  Use a polycarbonate iMac (2006) (as does my wife) with a second
> monitor as my "main man" for almost everything.
>
> 2.9.  I use a hand-drill my great-aunt gave my grandfather as a present
> when he came back to Glasgow after the first World War
> for all those needs for which a power drill is just a pain-in-the-bum and
> too much bother.
>
> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my
> great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).
>
> 2.11.  My raincoat was something my Uncle picked up when he worked for
> Aquascutum in 1972.
>
> 2.12. I cut my bread with a knife made from part of the front wheel cover
> of a 1932 Fordson tractor made for
>           me as a present by a farmer in Orkney in 1983.
>
> 3. Upgrade.
>
> I am sure that about 90% of this is commercial push.
>
> 4. Update.
>
> quod erat demonstrandum
>
> 4.1. Some pillock tried to tell me that Latin was obsolete the other day .
> . .
>
> As far as I can see the ONLY reason to get hold of something new is if
> that new thing will allow you to a vast number of things
> that the thing it is set to replace is unable to do.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 11/7/2018 5:36 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Obsolete is a strong word. There are different levels. I had a friend who
>> firmly held that Obsolete meant when something newer could replace a
>> device. But it can be argued, and I take this position, that a computer
>> device is obsolete when it no longer is capable of running current
>> software. But a third level of Obsolecense can be concieved as when a
>> device can no longer perform it's function for which it was obtained.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable hardware
>>> obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's safely maintained apparently
>>> their guidance is to stop using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Systems
>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>>
>>
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Jul 11 12:19:42 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:19:42 -0400
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <055FC371-0BA0-4285-AE79-2C53C3E0ABED@iotecdigital.com>
References: <098901d418a4$8a96aa60$9fc3ff20$@net>	<26ff2a93-21b3-8997-791a-4c384d05eb82@fourthworld.com>	<EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>	<b12b2e93-242f-0fe3-4216-03b97801d91a@gmail.com>
	<055FC371-0BA0-4285-AE79-2C53C3E0ABED@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <003701d41932$fc68c1d0$f53a4570$@net>

The 1911 is newer than that... It was first manufactured in 1912. All
kidding aside it is as fine a piece of machinery now as it was then.

I run a raid array served up by OpenVMS via SMB. The server has not been
re-booted in a year. No wait I'm wrong not quite a year==> "OpenVMS V7.3-2
on node EISVM1  11-JUL-2018 11:55:06.83  Uptime  254 06:27:50". As the virus
Nazi says "No crypto locker for you OpenVMS". I waste 2 hours that I never
get back every 2 weeks to re-boot my Win 10 host, VMs and Mac to keep
everything running fast. It seems that VMS and non-Mac Linux are by far more
stable and don't need re-boots nearly as often.

I like new tech but I don't dismiss old tech out-of-hand. I would feel much
safer if the FAA airport control towers were still running DOS, Win 3.1 or
preferably some custom OS on custom HW served up by IBM mainframes using
leased private com lines rather than any Windows system connected to the
internet. There's a good idea, connect airport control towers to the
internet, can't see anything going wrong there.

The landfills are filled with millions of Pentium PCs that could be running
tons of useful apps. But no, the world went to bloated OSs(started with XP
SP3) that obsoleted the HW and not only created another environmental
disaster in the landfills(euphemism for un-regulated garbage dump) but also
all the energy needed to manufacture and deliver new PCs.

Sometimes old-school is new-school

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2018 11:06 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Bob Sneidar
Subject: Re: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC

And may I point out that the Colt 1911 .45 caliber handgun made in that same
year is far from obsolete. :-)

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 07:59 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 2.10.  I brush my hair every morning with a pair of hairbrushes my
great-grandfather gave my grandfather on his 14th birthday (1911).


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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 12:24:10 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:24:10 -0600
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>

If I make any real progress, I'll definitely write things down.

Honestly, not sure how far I'll get, seems that every time I feel good
enough to resume working on projects, the bad health truck parks on my face
again. *grins from underneath a wheel* Wow what a morning I've been having.

Sorry for the whine.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:52 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Cute. Sounds like sandboxing for clone processes.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 10, 2018, at 16:42 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kubernetes for sure.
> > This should get you started:
> >
> > https://deis.com/blog/2016/kubernetes-illustrated-guide/
>
>
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Wed Jul 11 13:33:01 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:33:01 -0400
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>

I understand Mike .... wish you all the best in health and happiness....
and success with LC second.  Maybe there are things you can do .... invite
new ideas ... to try to help.   I study metaphysics and I've seen some very
unexpected connections between our physical health and the thoughts we
believe in .... I have had personal experience with that. Big subject, not
the right place.  email me if you are curious.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If I make any real progress, I'll definitely write things down.
>
> Honestly, not sure how far I'll get, seems that every time I feel good
> enough to resume working on projects, the bad health truck parks on my face
> again. *grins from underneath a wheel* Wow what a morning I've been having.
>
> Sorry for the whine.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:52 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Cute. Sounds like sandboxing for clone processes.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 10, 2018, at 16:42 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kubernetes for sure.
> > > This should get you started:
> > >
> > > https://deis.com/blog/2016/kubernetes-illustrated-guide/
> >
> >
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 11 14:30:14 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:30:14 -0500
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/11/18 12:33 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> Sorry for the whine.

You've been here long enough that you're entitled to a whine. I believe 
there's a participation quotient for those.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 11 14:32:07 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:32:07 -0500
Subject: 9.0.1 "Become An Android Developer"
In-Reply-To: <2050719D-BCF2-47BA-858E-23A5C3315145@hindu.org>
References: <CE01E500-A1A5-476C-B5C5-31CD777F9199@hindu.org>
	<2050719D-BCF2-47BA-858E-23A5C3315145@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4c1860b2-680c-7b00-746b-f1551e6840d4@hyperactivesw.com>

I can't remember exactly now, but I think I restarted LC. I probably 
also reset the adb server in Terminal. In any case, the key seems to be 
forcing LC to forget the phone and then re-connect.

On 7/11/18 10:27 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Well, I rebooted the photo. That fixed it... seems it need to see the newly installed SDK.
> 
> Brahmanathaswami
>   
> 
> ?On 7/11/18, 5:11 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>      ["not a Livecode issue" -- I still think that a lesson on this in needed, and that it be maintained for each change required for us to develop on Android, and be detailed as much as possible}
>      
>      OK, I tried by my best,
>      
>      1) /Users/brahmanathaswami/OneDrive/App-Development/android-sdk-macosx/tools/android
>      2) Clicked --> a whole lot of options appear. I don't know I am doing, so it is a fishing expedition...
>      3) I chose Android 8.0.0 (API 26); check the SDK Platform, uncheck the rest (TV, Wear, Pac, Google API, and Source for Android SDK)
>      4) install packages....(takes some time)
>      5) go to 9.0.1 rc1 preferences
>      6) install Android: recognized: jdk1.8.0_171.jdk
>      7) IDE Test: Yep... I see my device.
>      8) build for android.... it hangs on installing to device.
>      9) I have reboot Livecode
>      10) go to terminal...
>      Brahmanathaswamis-MacBook-Pro:platform-tools brahmanathaswami$ ./adb devices
>      List of devices attached
>      FA6990304414	connecting
>      
>      What am I missing?
>      
>      BR
> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 14:39:16 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:39:16 -0600
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>

Someone needs to make a list..  How soon can one start to whine, or
obfuscate, or speak of cheese.  But I'm not sure how it would apply to
those who are temporally advantaged with access to the lost sock quark
gate.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:30 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 7/11/18 12:33 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> > Sorry for the whine.
>
> You've been here long enough that you're entitled to a whine. I believe
> there's a participation quotient for those.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 11 15:52:45 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:52:45 -0500
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b7fe864-9ce8-2325-1a5a-889883d79ad7@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm not sure about the rest of it, but the temporally advantaged are not 
eligible unless they actually find and deliver a lost sock. 
Unfortunately that's a catch-22 because the list does not accept 
enclosures, which is something I'd whine about if I had the chance.

On 7/11/18 1:39 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> Someone needs to make a list..  How soon can one start to whine, or
> obfuscate, or speak of cheese.  But I'm not sure how it would apply to
> those who are temporally advantaged with access to the lost sock quark
> gate.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:30 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/11/18 12:33 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Sorry for the whine.
>>
>> You've been here long enough that you're entitled to a whine. I believe
>> there's a participation quotient for those.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


-- 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 16:16:19 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:16:19 -0600
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <2b7fe864-9ce8-2325-1a5a-889883d79ad7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b7fe864-9ce8-2325-1a5a-889883d79ad7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpfuUOREcno0rXjgxJ5Mgef5NfvezQm9y_C9TMKeo38Dw@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like there is a need for a new Dropsock service so that socks can be
posted and shared freely. Or perhaps a bitSock system where those who are
advantaged can solve sock chain transactions, but it would require everyone
to set up a digital hamper to store any earned sock currency.   Next thing
we know, people will be daisy chaining dryer elements to increase their
sockchain computing power, pricing the rest of us out of the market.  Wet
sock wearing will be on the rise.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 1:53 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure about the rest of it, but the temporally advantaged are not
> eligible unless they actually find and deliver a lost sock.
> Unfortunately that's a catch-22 because the list does not accept
> enclosures, which is something I'd whine about if I had the chance.
>
> On 7/11/18 1:39 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> > Someone needs to make a list..  How soon can one start to whine, or
> > obfuscate, or speak of cheese.  But I'm not sure how it would apply to
> > those who are temporally advantaged with access to the lost sock quark
> > gate.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:30 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/11/18 12:33 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> Sorry for the whine.
> >>
> >> You've been here long enough that you're entitled to a whine. I believe
> >> there's a participation quotient for those.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 11 16:43:29 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 13:43:29 -0700
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4ff80fc9-334f-d3da-6097-e2d99c55a5a1@fourthworld.com>

Bob S wrote:

 >> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>
 >> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable
 >> hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's
 >> safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop
 >> using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
 >
 > Obsolete is a strong word.

Yes, it is.

When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known 
exploits, it's no longer safe to use.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 16:48:37 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:48:37 +0300
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3d7967c-2b7e-f156-6004-7123871f40d4@gmail.com>

I'd far rather make a list with a glass of wine in my hand rather than
a mouthful of whines.

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 9:39 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> Someone needs to make a list..  How soon can one start to whine, or
> obfuscate, or speak of cheese.  But I'm not sure how it would apply to
> those who are temporally advantaged with access to the lost sock quark
> gate.
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:30 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/11/18 12:33 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Sorry for the whine.
>> You've been here long enough that you're entitled to a whine. I believe
>> there's a participation quotient for those.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 16:50:05 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:50:05 +0300
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <4ff80fc9-334f-d3da-6097-e2d99c55a5a1@fourthworld.com>
References: <EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>
	<4ff80fc9-334f-d3da-6097-e2d99c55a5a1@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <e333c7ab-a057-b82f-9859-70ffdcab636c@gmail.com>

"it's no longer safe to use"

I wonder how many people actually believe that?

Richmond.

On 11/7/2018 11:43 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Bob S wrote:
>
> >> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable
> >> hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's
> >> safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop
> >> using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
> >
> > Obsolete is a strong word.
>
> Yes, it is.
>
> When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known 
> exploits, it's no longer safe to use.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 11 17:08:54 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:08:54 -0700
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <e333c7ab-a057-b82f-9859-70ffdcab636c@gmail.com>
References: <e333c7ab-a057-b82f-9859-70ffdcab636c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bee1c60d-2045-0856-1c8b-bab6e599807a@fourthworld.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> "it's no longer safe to use"
> 
> I wonder how many people actually believe that?

Judging from cases we read about regularly, not enough.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 11 17:27:37 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 21:27:37 +0000
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpfuUOREcno0rXjgxJ5Mgef5NfvezQm9y_C9TMKeo38Dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
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	<2b7fe864-9ce8-2325-1a5a-889883d79ad7@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSpfuUOREcno0rXjgxJ5Mgef5NfvezQm9y_C9TMKeo38Dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1EE32CD7-3C1C-461E-BFD7-8E3C3951FADD@iotecdigital.com>

That is a GREAT idea! Imagine a place where you can get money for all your one sock pairs! They send you a box, shipping is free, and then dwarves managed by troll overlords can match up as best they can all the socks they get! 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:16 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like there is a need for a new Dropsock service so that socks can be
> posted and shared freely. Or perhaps a bitSock system where those who are
> advantaged can solve sock chain transactions, but it would require everyone
> to set up a digital hamper to store any earned sock currency.   Next thing
> we know, people will be daisy chaining dryer elements to increase their
> sockchain computing power, pricing the rest of us out of the market.  Wet
> sock wearing will be on the rise.




From tom at makeshyft.com  Wed Jul 11 17:31:07 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:31:07 -0400
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <1EE32CD7-3C1C-461E-BFD7-8E3C3951FADD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
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	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b7fe864-9ce8-2325-1a5a-889883d79ad7@hyperactivesw.com>
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	<1EE32CD7-3C1C-461E-BFD7-8E3C3951FADD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKSJCC5X8zaAGdv-KPqshBUOJPn1pkwbZDS5tiD=TD3Zg@mail.gmail.com>

The sock monster is real ....my family has been devastated by it for
years.  I don't find the subject particularly funny.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That is a GREAT idea! Imagine a place where you can get money for all your
> one sock pairs! They send you a box, shipping is free, and then dwarves
> managed by troll overlords can match up as best they can all the socks they
> get!
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:16 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like there is a need for a new Dropsock service so that socks can
> be
> > posted and shared freely. Or perhaps a bitSock system where those who are
> > advantaged can solve sock chain transactions, but it would require
> everyone
> > to set up a digital hamper to store any earned sock currency.   Next
> thing
> > we know, people will be daisy chaining dryer elements to increase their
> > sockchain computing power, pricing the rest of us out of the market.  Wet
> > sock wearing will be on the rise.
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 11 17:32:18 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 21:32:18 +0000
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <4ff80fc9-334f-d3da-6097-e2d99c55a5a1@fourthworld.com>
References: <EEEA66E9-52DF-4FDD-ACCF-AD71EB5391B0@iotecdigital.com>
	<4ff80fc9-334f-d3da-6097-e2d99c55a5a1@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <155FBF53-D819-4C58-9702-42CAE98D1112@iotecdigital.com>

I think it depends on what you use it for. I have yet to see a MacOS "exploit" that didn't require the end user do something they ought not to do, and/or authenticate an action they didn't initiate. And by exploit, I mean access the OS via network protocol and bypass protections in place to prevent it without user action or intervention. 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:43 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob S wrote:
> 
> >> On Jul 10, 2018, at 21:18 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> Beyond that, given Apple's OS strategy which render usable
> >> hardware obsolete prematurely, if you want an OS that's
> >> safely maintained apparently their guidance is to stop
> >> using macOS and upgrade to Linux.
> >
> > Obsolete is a strong word.
> 
> Yes, it is.
> 
> When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known exploits, it's no longer safe to use.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jul 11 17:44:30 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:44:30 -0700
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <1EE32CD7-3C1C-461E-BFD7-8E3C3951FADD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1EE32CD7-3C1C-461E-BFD7-8E3C3951FADD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <ce5e6689-05c8-b5a0-4f4b-bb9783b9dbc8@sonic.net>

On 07/11/2018 02:27 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> That is a GREAT idea! Imagine a place where you can get money for all your one sock pairs! They send you a box, shipping is free, and then dwarves managed by troll overlords can match up as best they can all the socks they get!

Still to be solved, though, is the conundrum of a sockchain concensus 
mechanism, i.e., the Byzantine Generals problem. You wouldn't want to 
receive someone else's socks, or worse, a mixed pair.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 11 18:08:43 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 22:08:43 +0000
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <ce5e6689-05c8-b5a0-4f4b-bb9783b9dbc8@sonic.net>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<ce5e6689-05c8-b5a0-4f4b-bb9783b9dbc8@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <0F35FC42-489D-4B26-BB4C-ACA435724CEF@iotecdigital.com>

OIC! Dwarves, being generally mischievous, and trolls color blind, I can see how you could run into some QC issues. 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 14:44 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 07/11/2018 02:27 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> That is a GREAT idea! Imagine a place where you can get money for all your one sock pairs! They send you a box, shipping is free, and then dwarves managed by troll overlords can match up as best they can all the socks they get!
> 
> Still to be solved, though, is the conundrum of a sockchain concensus mechanism, i.e., the Byzantine Generals problem. You wouldn't want to receive someone else's socks, or worse, a mixed pair.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com




From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Wed Jul 11 18:15:12 2018
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 15:15:12 -0700
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <0F35FC42-489D-4B26-BB4C-ACA435724CEF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<0F35FC42-489D-4B26-BB4C-ACA435724CEF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <DDCECB3E-8013-4425-90E3-47545EF25092@earthlearningsolutions.org>

Sock-re-Bleu, this is an odd thread.

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 3:08 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> OIC! Dwarves, being generally mischievous, and trolls color blind, I can see how you could run into some QC issues. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2018, at 14:44 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 07/11/2018 02:27 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>> That is a GREAT idea! Imagine a place where you can get money for all your one sock pairs! They send you a box, shipping is free, and then dwarves managed by troll overlords can match up as best they can all the socks they get!
>> 
>> Still to be solved, though, is the conundrum of a sockchain concensus mechanism, i.e., the Byzantine Generals problem. You wouldn't want to receive someone else's socks, or worse, a mixed pair.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 11 18:18:36 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 22:18:36 +0000
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <DDCECB3E-8013-4425-90E3-47545EF25092@earthlearningsolutions.org>
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	<0F35FC42-489D-4B26-BB4C-ACA435724CEF@iotecdigital.com>
	<DDCECB3E-8013-4425-90E3-47545EF25092@earthlearningsolutions.org>
Message-ID: <46EC24DE-6F44-467D-8139-FBFA17AEDB7A@iotecdigital.com>

I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two of my three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only person who drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure I haven't entered some alternate universe or something. 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 15:15 , prothero--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Sock-re-Bleu, this is an odd thread.
> 
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org




From jerry at jhjensen.com  Wed Jul 11 19:16:06 2018
From: jerry at jhjensen.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 16:16:06 -0700
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <46EC24DE-6F44-467D-8139-FBFA17AEDB7A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
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Probably the same person who breaks into my car every night and turns the radio volume way up.
.Jerry

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two of my three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only person who drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure I haven't entered some alternate universe or something. 




From irog at mac.com  Wed Jul 11 19:27:13 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:27:13 -0600
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <46EC24DE-6F44-467D-8139-FBFA17AEDB7A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BD931526-0F90-40D3-8DFA-07FBD6695BC7@mac.com>

Uh oh. And, how old are you, Bob?

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two of my three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only person who drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure I haven't entered some alternate universe or something. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2018, at 15:15 , prothero--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sock-re-Bleu, this is an odd thread.
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> 
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jul 11 20:09:07 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:09:07 -0700
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <46EC24DE-6F44-467D-8139-FBFA17AEDB7A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<46EC24DE-6F44-467D-8139-FBFA17AEDB7A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <ee2373fe-7aa8-724d-03cf-f56213440318@sonic.net>

On 07/11/2018 03:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two of my three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only person who drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure I haven't entered some alternate universe or something.

That's easy. You got into someone else's unlocked car.
They're gonna be annoyed if you change those presets.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 20:16:21 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:16:21 -0600
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <ee2373fe-7aa8-724d-03cf-f56213440318@sonic.net>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpJiMc36eKcwyFNV16ExCJ9S-Vv=+7paU++j0iep_jz-w@mail.gmail.com>

They'll be more annoyed that their car isn't where they left it.  Of course
if they understand sock science, maybe they'll go look for it in the dryer.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 6:09 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 07/11/2018 03:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> > I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two
> of my three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only
> person who drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure
> I haven't entered some alternate universe or something.
>
> That's easy. You got into someone else's unlocked car.
> They're gonna be annoyed if you change those presets.
>
>
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 11 20:54:51 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:54:51 -0700
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <155FBF53-D819-4C58-9702-42CAE98D1112@iotecdigital.com>
References: <155FBF53-D819-4C58-9702-42CAE98D1112@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <b9e0536f-953a-955f-5536-41edcf1b830a@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:43 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known
 >> exploits, it's no longer safe to use.
 >
 > I think it depends on what you use it for.

True. If you unplug the power and use it as a doorstop, it's completely 
safe. Anything else involves varying degrees of risk. :)

Running outdated software is one of the leading reasons 80% of American 
businesses have experienced at least one form of hack or another.


 > I have yet to see a MacOS "exploit" that didn't require the end user
 > do something they ought not to do, and/or authenticate an action they
 > didn't initiate. And by exploit, I mean access the OS via network
 > protocol and bypass protections in place to prevent it without user
 > action or intervention.

That's true of most OSes.  But look deeper.  They're rarer, but they exist.

And even those that require user action, those actions may seem 
innocuous to many users who do not understand the implications, or can 
use exploits in other software to gain elevated privileges which can 
then be used with exploits requiring admin.

The deeper you look, the murkier things get.

Sometimes even authentication itself becomes vulnerable:

    Passwords are stored in the Mac's Keychain, which typically
    requires a master login password to access the vault.

    But Wardle has shown that the vulnerability allows an attacker
    to grab and steal every password in plain-text using an unsigned
    app downloaded from the internet, without needing that password.
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-macos-high-sierra-password-vulnerable-to-password-stealing-hack/>

And we can't forget everyone's favorite, the Meltdown flaw in Intel 
chips like those in systems that run macOS 10.7:
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre-heres-what-intel-apple-microsoft-others-are-doing-about-it/>

A partial list of vulnerabilities specific to macOS 10.7.5 is here:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-156/version_id-143035/Apple-Mac-Os-X-10.7.5.html>

That list contains only OS vulnerabilities; other searches can turn up 
additional vulnerabilities against the versions of Safari, Apache, 
rsync, and other programs included in the system which have their own 
lengthy lists of known vulnerabilities.  Combining vulnerabilities 
multiplies threats.

Consider which of the 900+ CVEs against Safari may be used in 
combination with other exploits:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-2935/Apple-Safari.html>


Ultimately, security is a matter of subjective sense of comfort.  The 
sort of person who goes into the shopping mall with they keys left in 
their car will probably feel right at home running an OS where the only 
system patches are being delivered by organized crime rings and hostile 
nation state actors.

After all, not every car with the keys left in it gets stolen, so why 
not? ;)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jul 11 20:56:43 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:56:43 -0700
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpJiMc36eKcwyFNV16ExCJ9S-Vv=+7paU++j0iep_jz-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f64f85dc-9259-1781-6237-7ffae3ee5fb0@sonic.net>

On 07/11/2018 05:16 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> They'll be more annoyed that their car isn't where they left it.  Of course
> if they understand sock science, maybe they'll go look for it in the dryer.

Shouldn't be a problem.
They can just take Bob's car and wonder why the presets got changed.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From tom at makeshyft.com  Wed Jul 11 23:22:09 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:22:09 -0400
Subject: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table
In-Reply-To: <e69563ba-d49b-39df-a549-89faffeda69b@researchware.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJ=vqf4GaTAvDnAVUBy71xzB1iPFa03JC45U0BHEyN0oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<53FC4350-88AC-4C92-BF91-00AFAF16DD38@all-auctions.com>
	<e69563ba-d49b-39df-a549-89faffeda69b@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>

Update on this ......  I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to cut it
for my needs in applications where performance matters.  Datagrid is built
using custom properties.  which are way way way slower than accessing
variables  i haven't tested in a while but last i did it was orrders of
magnitude slower. that is its major bottleneck, and i think i have to move
away from moving the LC grid for my needs.

So i think i need to make my own grid solution that covers both different
sized rows, better performance, and no without all the duplication of data..



On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 6/19/2018 4:52 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I haven?t done much of anything with the datagrid, but I am
> > wondering what happens if one of the cells in your row
> > has an image in it? Will the row resize to be able to show
> > the minimum height of the image?  If so, that might be
> > a work around for you.
> >
>  Unfortunately, the Datagrid row height in "Table" mode does not resize
> with contents whether a cell contains an Image, text, or whatever. Rows
> are all of equal height in pixels that can be set by the developer.
>
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jul 11 23:38:47 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 22:38:47 -0500
Subject: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJ=vqf4GaTAvDnAVUBy71xzB1iPFa03JC45U0BHEyN0oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<53FC4350-88AC-4C92-BF91-00AFAF16DD38@all-auctions.com>
	<e69563ba-d49b-39df-a549-89faffeda69b@researchware.com>
	<CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8e9c5ab4-aef7-4dd7-950b-23ad063ad07c@Spark>

Wondering if a widget would work for this. The tree widget doesn?t to a great job with extremely large data sets though.

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 11, 2018, 10:22 PM -0500, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> Update on this ...... I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to cut it
> for my needs in applications where performance matters. Datagrid is built
> using custom properties. which are way way way slower than accessing
> variables i haven't tested in a while but last i did it was orrders of
> magnitude slower. that is its major bottleneck, and i think i have to move
> away from moving the LC grid for my needs.
>
> So i think i need to make my own grid solution that covers both different
> sized rows, better performance, and no without all the duplication of data..
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On 6/19/2018 4:52 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > I haven?t done much of anything with the datagrid, but I am
> > > wondering what happens if one of the cells in your row
> > > has an image in it? Will the row resize to be able to show
> > > the minimum height of the image? If so, that might be
> > > a work around for you.
> > >
> > Unfortunately, the Datagrid row height in "Table" mode does not resize
> > with contents whether a cell contains an Image, text, or whatever. Rows
> > are all of equal height in pixels that can be set by the developer.
> >
> >
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul 12 00:14:40 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 21:14:40 -0700
Subject: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ee13c0b-4baf-1dac-909b-60c9349371b0@fourthworld.com>

Tom Glod wrote:

 > Update on this ......  I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to
 > cut it for my needs in applications where performance matters.
 >  Datagrid is built using custom properties.  which are way way way
 > slower than accessing variables  i haven't tested in a while but last
 > i did it was orrders of magnitude slower.

I would be interested in seeing those tests.  Vars are much faster than 
fields, and still faster than custom props but much less so.

I would imagine the bigger bottleneck is with rendering so many nested 
groups of objects.

All that said, if you know your total size will not exceed 32k px it's 
easy enough to use one group populated with row groups copied in as needed.

But if you need to go beyond 32k px you'll find the geometry becomes 
unpredictable with the integer limit.  For that you'd need to replicate 
Trevor's hard work in virtualizing what's on screen vs what's in memory, 
and handling the scrollbar via script rather than letting the engine 
handle it.  With all that work it may be simple to fork the existing DG 
if needed.

But either is a bit of work, so I would think time spent isolating the 
true bottleneck first would be time well spent.

Please let us know what you find.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Jul 12 01:00:50 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 00:00:50 -0500
Subject: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table
In-Reply-To: <8ee13c0b-4baf-1dac-909b-60c9349371b0@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8ee13c0b-4baf-1dac-909b-60c9349371b0@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZ+eVQ8y=g1XYJLTjivZ=htkBm0x-tda+Nm0drFbosRBA@mail.gmail.com>

And don't forget that the last piece of the AR improvement hasn't landed
yet which will also improve DG performance.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tom Glod wrote:
>
> > Update on this ......  I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to
> > cut it for my needs in applications where performance matters.
> >  Datagrid is built using custom properties.  which are way way way
> > slower than accessing variables  i haven't tested in a while but last
> > i did it was orrders of magnitude slower.
>
> I would be interested in seeing those tests.  Vars are much faster than
> fields, and still faster than custom props but much less so.
>
> I would imagine the bigger bottleneck is with rendering so many nested
> groups of objects.
>
> All that said, if you know your total size will not exceed 32k px it's
> easy enough to use one group populated with row groups copied in as needed.
>
> But if you need to go beyond 32k px you'll find the geometry becomes
> unpredictable with the integer limit.  For that you'd need to replicate
> Trevor's hard work in virtualizing what's on screen vs what's in memory,
> and handling the scrollbar via script rather than letting the engine handle
> it.  With all that work it may be simple to fork the existing DG if needed.
>
> But either is a bit of work, so I would think time spent isolating the
> true bottleneck first would be time well spent.
>
> Please let us know what you find.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 01:32:13 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 08:32:13 +0300
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <b9e0536f-953a-955f-5536-41edcf1b830a@fourthworld.com>
References: <155FBF53-D819-4C58-9702-42CAE98D1112@iotecdigital.com>
	<b9e0536f-953a-955f-5536-41edcf1b830a@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <fec49601-4037-4796-9fb1-dede639dd41c@gmail.com>

Well, aren't I glad I don't run an American business. 8-)

I just run an EFL school that is not dependent on computers connected to 
the interweb

and do funny things with Sanskrit.

Richmond.

On 12/7/2018 3:54 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
> > On Jul 11, 2018, at 13:43 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >> When a computer's OS no longer receives critical patches for known
> >> exploits, it's no longer safe to use.
> >
> > I think it depends on what you use it for.
>
> True. If you unplug the power and use it as a doorstop, it's 
> completely safe. Anything else involves varying degrees of risk. :)
>
> Running outdated software is one of the leading reasons 80% of 
> American businesses have experienced at least one form of hack or 
> another.
>
>
> > I have yet to see a MacOS "exploit" that didn't require the end user
> > do something they ought not to do, and/or authenticate an action they
> > didn't initiate. And by exploit, I mean access the OS via network
> > protocol and bypass protections in place to prevent it without user
> > action or intervention.
>
> That's true of most OSes.  But look deeper.  They're rarer, but they 
> exist.
>
> And even those that require user action, those actions may seem 
> innocuous to many users who do not understand the implications, or can 
> use exploits in other software to gain elevated privileges which can 
> then be used with exploits requiring admin.
>
> The deeper you look, the murkier things get.
>
> Sometimes even authentication itself becomes vulnerable:
>
>    Passwords are stored in the Mac's Keychain, which typically
>    requires a master login password to access the vault.
>
>    But Wardle has shown that the vulnerability allows an attacker
>    to grab and steal every password in plain-text using an unsigned
>    app downloaded from the internet, without needing that password.
> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-macos-high-sierra-password-vulnerable-to-password-stealing-hack/> 
>
>
> And we can't forget everyone's favorite, the Meltdown flaw in Intel 
> chips like those in systems that run macOS 10.7:
> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/01/meltdown-and-spectre-heres-what-intel-apple-microsoft-others-are-doing-about-it/> 
>
>
> A partial list of vulnerabilities specific to macOS 10.7.5 is here:
> <https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-156/version_id-143035/Apple-Mac-Os-X-10.7.5.html> 
>
>
> That list contains only OS vulnerabilities; other searches can turn up 
> additional vulnerabilities against the versions of Safari, Apache, 
> rsync, and other programs included in the system which have their own 
> lengthy lists of known vulnerabilities.  Combining vulnerabilities 
> multiplies threats.
>
> Consider which of the 900+ CVEs against Safari may be used in 
> combination with other exploits:
> <https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-2935/Apple-Safari.html> 
>
>
>
> Ultimately, security is a matter of subjective sense of comfort. The 
> sort of person who goes into the shopping mall with they keys left in 
> their car will probably feel right at home running an OS where the 
> only system patches are being delivered by organized crime rings and 
> hostile nation state actors.
>
> After all, not every car with the keys left in it gets stolen, so why 
> not? ;)
>



From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 12 07:42:23 2018
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 07:42:23 -0400
Subject: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJ=vqf4GaTAvDnAVUBy71xzB1iPFa03JC45U0BHEyN0oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<53FC4350-88AC-4C92-BF91-00AFAF16DD38@all-auctions.com>
	<e69563ba-d49b-39df-a549-89faffeda69b@researchware.com>
	<CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8833799f-ee59-813e-c5e5-4734bae2431b@researchware.com>

Thanks for looking into the matter.

We currently use a control to allow the user to adjust the DataGrid row
height (which of course changes all rows heights). While inelegant, it
does let the user expand the view of a row where one or more cells have
a lot of content. Variable row height would have been a more elegant
addition. Perhaps LC will add it to the DataGrid for "DataGrid 3" some day.

On 7/11/2018 11:22 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> Update on this ......  I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to cut it
> for my needs in applications where performance matters.  Datagrid is built
> using custom properties.  which are way way way slower than accessing
> variables  i haven't tested in a while but last i did it was orrders of
> magnitude slower. that is its major bottleneck, and i think i have to move
> away from moving the LC grid for my needs.
>
> So i think i need to make my own grid solution that covers both different
> sized rows, better performance, and no without all the duplication of data..
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/19/2018 4:52 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> I haven?t done much of anything with the datagrid, but I am
>>> wondering what happens if one of the cells in your row
>>> has an image in it? Will the row resize to be able to show
>>> the minimum height of the image?  If so, that might be
>>> a work around for you.
>>>
>>  Unfortunately, the Datagrid row height in "Table" mode does not resize
>> with contents whether a cell contains an Image, text, or whatever. Rows
>> are all of equal height in pixels that can be set by the developer.
>>
>>
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Jul 12 09:24:42 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 09:24:42 -0400
Subject: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table
In-Reply-To: <8833799f-ee59-813e-c5e5-4734bae2431b@researchware.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJ=vqf4GaTAvDnAVUBy71xzB1iPFa03JC45U0BHEyN0oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<53FC4350-88AC-4C92-BF91-00AFAF16DD38@all-auctions.com>
	<e69563ba-d49b-39df-a549-89faffeda69b@researchware.com>
	<CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8833799f-ee59-813e-c5e5-4734bae2431b@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+6aGK5_1TCa21idzdiQtmYUEfzKV0_aFf5Ae=8y357Hw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks, thanks for all your input.   Just to be clear, I am not
re-creating a whole datagrid solution.  .... Trevors DG solution is so
awesome and flexible and works really great for so many things ... but its
awesomeness came at a cost.  For me I have very few things to think about
.... the biggest challenge will be the handler to handle off-screen drawing
and scrolling...but I have some good ideas there I hope.    I have
particular advantages in my case

1, the upcoming the AR Rendering improvements for nested groups
2. not using custom properties
3. no copying of data .... all read directly from variables
4. 3 or 4 columns per row max
5. <  8 - 10 controls max per row (only 1 or 2 text)
6. The dg sends a lot of messages and sets and gets a lot of properties in
order to be a general solution with all of its awesome features. No need
for that here..
7.it does not have to be a general solution applicable to other things.
just the content types present in my application.  It will work for other
things and other developers, but I don't have to build features for them to
be able to adapt it.

Cheers





On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 7:42 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for looking into the matter.
>
> We currently use a control to allow the user to adjust the DataGrid row
> height (which of course changes all rows heights). While inelegant, it
> does let the user expand the view of a row where one or more cells have
> a lot of content. Variable row height would have been a more elegant
> addition. Perhaps LC will add it to the DataGrid for "DataGrid 3" some day.
>
> On 7/11/2018 11:22 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> > Update on this ......  I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to cut
> it
> > for my needs in applications where performance matters.  Datagrid is
> built
> > using custom properties.  which are way way way slower than accessing
> > variables  i haven't tested in a while but last i did it was orrders of
> > magnitude slower. that is its major bottleneck, and i think i have to
> move
> > away from moving the LC grid for my needs.
> >
> > So i think i need to make my own grid solution that covers both different
> > sized rows, better performance, and no without all the duplication of
> data..
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:16 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/19/2018 4:52 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> Hi Tom,
> >>>
> >>> I haven?t done much of anything with the datagrid, but I am
> >>> wondering what happens if one of the cells in your row
> >>> has an image in it? Will the row resize to be able to show
> >>> the minimum height of the image?  If so, that might be
> >>> a work around for you.
> >>>
> >>  Unfortunately, the Datagrid row height in "Table" mode does not resize
> >> with contents whether a cell contains an Image, text, or whatever. Rows
> >> are all of equal height in pixels that can be set by the developer.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 11:09:35 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:09:35 +0000
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <b9e0536f-953a-955f-5536-41edcf1b830a@fourthworld.com>
References: <155FBF53-D819-4C58-9702-42CAE98D1112@iotecdigital.com>
	<b9e0536f-953a-955f-5536-41edcf1b830a@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A02EE344-0E57-4A3C-BF08-A3E8C169C965@iotecdigital.com>

Each of these Mac OS exploits require that the end user install something on their computer, or allow it. As far as the doorstop comparison, well that comment is a bit of a red herring now isn't it? Brand new computers with current AV definitions and a completely updated OS involves "some degree of risk". 

My point is that if you use a computer in such a way that it performs it's job as it always has, an internal SQL server with no exposure to the internet for example, then all other things being equal, it's not obsolete by a certain definition. 

I guess I am saying that what different people mean by obsolete varies depending on the application. A developer who wants to continue using a workstation that no longer runs the current version of LC, but that developer wants the new features of said current version, could be said to be running an obsolete OS. If he doesn't need those new features, the device can be said to be viable. 

Bob S

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 17:54 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>   But Wardle has shown that the vulnerability allows an attacker
>   to grab and steal every password in plain-text using an unsigned
>   app downloaded from the internet, without needing that password.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 11:13:26 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:13:26 +0000
Subject: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics in LC
In-Reply-To: <b9e0536f-953a-955f-5536-41edcf1b830a@fourthworld.com>
References: <155FBF53-D819-4C58-9702-42CAE98D1112@iotecdigital.com>
	<b9e0536f-953a-955f-5536-41edcf1b830a@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D12134D6-525D-47DF-8B50-7CC868DB79BE@iotecdigital.com>

>From the keychain exploit article:

"MacOS is designed to be secure by default, and Gatekeeper warns users against installing unsigned apps, like the one shown in this proof of concept, and prevents them from launching the app without explicit approval. We encourage users to download software only from trusted sources like the Mac App Store, and to pay careful attention to security dialogs that macOS presents."

I think that saying this makes the mac inherently insecure is like clicking the link in the email and then complaining that Windows allowed your computer to be hacked. 

Bob S

> On Jul 11, 2018, at 17:54 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>   But Wardle has shown that the vulnerability allows an attacker
>   to grab and steal every password in plain-text using an unsigned
>   app downloaded from the internet, without needing that password.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 11:15:34 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:15:34 +0000
Subject: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table
In-Reply-To: <8ee13c0b-4baf-1dac-909b-60c9349371b0@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8ee13c0b-4baf-1dac-909b-60c9349371b0@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <87922ECA-0649-4176-8EE6-376183F14D3D@iotecdigital.com>

Yes I agree, before updating a datagrid, lock the screen. Performance is much improved. Also make sure no property inspectors, script editor or message box is open while benchmarking. 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 21:14 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom Glod wrote:
> 
> > Update on this ......  I'm coming to realize that dg isn't going to
> > cut it for my needs in applications where performance matters.
> >  Datagrid is built using custom properties.  which are way way way
> > slower than accessing variables  i haven't tested in a while but last
> > i did it was orrders of magnitude slower.
> 
> I would be interested in seeing those tests.  Vars are much faster than fields, and still faster than custom props but much less so.
> 
> I would imagine the bigger bottleneck is with rendering so many nested groups of objects.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 11:16:40 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:16:40 +0000
Subject: Must have flexible row height for Datagrid Table
In-Reply-To: <8833799f-ee59-813e-c5e5-4734bae2431b@researchware.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJ=vqf4GaTAvDnAVUBy71xzB1iPFa03JC45U0BHEyN0oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<53FC4350-88AC-4C92-BF91-00AFAF16DD38@all-auctions.com>
	<e69563ba-d49b-39df-a549-89faffeda69b@researchware.com>
	<CAPzQJL+-yut3fUQLgxO-a8-spZs3NsHdfWR-=EzMiQ_J+HBQ5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8833799f-ee59-813e-c5e5-4734bae2431b@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CB29B824-1D0F-455B-8C46-55349100138F@iotecdigital.com>

Or use a form datagrid! The only place this is an issue is with table grids. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2018, at 04:42 , Paul Dupuis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for looking into the matter.
> 
> We currently use a control to allow the user to adjust the DataGrid row
> height (which of course changes all rows heights). While inelegant, it
> does let the user expand the view of a row where one or more cells have
> a lot of content. Variable row height would have been a more elegant
> addition. Perhaps LC will add it to the DataGrid for "DataGrid 3" some day.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 11:18:05 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:18:05 +0000
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <ee2373fe-7aa8-724d-03cf-f56213440318@sonic.net>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLK8wVoK=Ew8dWymdPfyg-LJSbP4BdHFY-kN4Z=uScjPhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpSNM9R8ZODHQcvoZb+qxJdLAO2iGY=m692Q7OrbTp-fQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b7fe864-9ce8-2325-1a5a-889883d79ad7@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSpfuUOREcno0rXjgxJ5Mgef5NfvezQm9y_C9TMKeo38Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1EE32CD7-3C1C-461E-BFD7-8E3C3951FADD@iotecdigital.com>
	<ce5e6689-05c8-b5a0-4f4b-bb9783b9dbc8@sonic.net>
	<0F35FC42-489D-4B26-BB4C-ACA435724CEF@iotecdigital.com>
	<DDCECB3E-8013-4425-90E3-47545EF25092@earthlearningsolutions.org>
	<46EC24DE-6F44-467D-8139-FBFA17AEDB7A@iotecdigital.com>
	<ee2373fe-7aa8-724d-03cf-f56213440318@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BC6D7024-6294-4EBB-AEB0-0B3CAB483A3E@iotecdigital.com>

Yeah, and they are gonna want their car back! 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 17:09 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 07/11/2018 03:18 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> I'm in a strange mood. I got into my car last Sunday and discovered two of my three radio programmable buttons had changed stations. I'm the only person who drives my car, and I always lock it wherever I go. I'm not sure I haven't entered some alternate universe or something.
> 
> That's easy. You got into someone else's unlocked car.
> They're gonna be annoyed if you change those presets.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 11:19:03 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:19:03 +0000
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <f64f85dc-9259-1781-6237-7ffae3ee5fb0@sonic.net>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<287cc7b0-6f37-094c-41d8-8d4f0c6c5d2f@sonic.net>
	<0A531CD6-C537-4DBC-8EA3-6D4901D941A6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b7fe864-9ce8-2325-1a5a-889883d79ad7@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSpfuUOREcno0rXjgxJ5Mgef5NfvezQm9y_C9TMKeo38Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1EE32CD7-3C1C-461E-BFD7-8E3C3951FADD@iotecdigital.com>
	<ce5e6689-05c8-b5a0-4f4b-bb9783b9dbc8@sonic.net>
	<0F35FC42-489D-4B26-BB4C-ACA435724CEF@iotecdigital.com>
	<DDCECB3E-8013-4425-90E3-47545EF25092@earthlearningsolutions.org>
	<46EC24DE-6F44-467D-8139-FBFA17AEDB7A@iotecdigital.com>
	<ee2373fe-7aa8-724d-03cf-f56213440318@sonic.net>
	<CAG1cpSpJiMc36eKcwyFNV16ExCJ9S-Vv=+7paU++j0iep_jz-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<f64f85dc-9259-1781-6237-7ffae3ee5fb0@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4728EB59-3A12-4925-9A8F-F26B13B723CB@iotecdigital.com>

Well then the real mystery is why someone moved all my stuff into someone elses car! 

Bob S


> On Jul 11, 2018, at 17:56 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 07/11/2018 05:16 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>> They'll be more annoyed that their car isn't where they left it.  Of course
>> if they understand sock science, maybe they'll go look for it in the dryer.
> 
> Shouldn't be a problem.
> They can just take Bob's car and wonder why the presets got changed.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 11:43:46 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:43:46 +0300
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <4728EB59-3A12-4925-9A8F-F26B13B723CB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b7fe864-9ce8-2325-1a5a-889883d79ad7@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSpfuUOREcno0rXjgxJ5Mgef5NfvezQm9y_C9TMKeo38Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1EE32CD7-3C1C-461E-BFD7-8E3C3951FADD@iotecdigital.com>
	<ce5e6689-05c8-b5a0-4f4b-bb9783b9dbc8@sonic.net>
	<0F35FC42-489D-4B26-BB4C-ACA435724CEF@iotecdigital.com>
	<DDCECB3E-8013-4425-90E3-47545EF25092@earthlearningsolutions.org>
	<46EC24DE-6F44-467D-8139-FBFA17AEDB7A@iotecdigital.com>
	<ee2373fe-7aa8-724d-03cf-f56213440318@sonic.net>
	<CAG1cpSpJiMc36eKcwyFNV16ExCJ9S-Vv=+7paU++j0iep_jz-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<f64f85dc-9259-1781-6237-7ffae3ee5fb0@sonic.net>
	<4728EB59-3A12-4925-9A8F-F26B13B723CB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <465889de-40fa-d565-e0c0-c1b28b0ed604@gmail.com>

It is possible that, in the night, you were in some sort of fugue state,
hopped into your car and changed the radio stations . . .

. . . similar to when  get out of bed in the morning and find LiveCode 
stacks that I
didn't make littering my desktop. ;-)

Richmond.

On 12/7/2018 6:19 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Well then the real mystery is why someone moved all my stuff into someone elses car!
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 11, 2018, at 17:56 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 07/11/2018 05:16 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>>> They'll be more annoyed that their car isn't where they left it.  Of course
>>> if they understand sock science, maybe they'll go look for it in the dryer.
>> Shouldn't be a problem.
>> They can just take Bob's car and wonder why the presets got changed.
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 12:20:20 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 16:20:20 +0000
Subject: Docker
In-Reply-To: <465889de-40fa-d565-e0c0-c1b28b0ed604@gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpqFZj-hnmToxp0snXoPay7tnPvRgyt2xboKiLa9AGmeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSphJA1msaNfKVSD15fko=FJ-t1PpM0LiyGNPHa6T903yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPzQJLKJT-PWBehf-s-D12bmv5cpsm08yfsaMLjsKDjv=dBMVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3a61f071-9ea4-af50-cd02-c675d8b90a49@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqx1i6Z9y4N6h8UahoJcwQ+0GpZfxn5fS9t8+HYTLuTCg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b7fe864-9ce8-2325-1a5a-889883d79ad7@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSpfuUOREcno0rXjgxJ5Mgef5NfvezQm9y_C9TMKeo38Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1EE32CD7-3C1C-461E-BFD7-8E3C3951FADD@iotecdigital.com>
	<ce5e6689-05c8-b5a0-4f4b-bb9783b9dbc8@sonic.net>
	<0F35FC42-489D-4B26-BB4C-ACA435724CEF@iotecdigital.com>
	<DDCECB3E-8013-4425-90E3-47545EF25092@earthlearningsolutions.org>
	<46EC24DE-6F44-467D-8139-FBFA17AEDB7A@iotecdigital.com>
	<ee2373fe-7aa8-724d-03cf-f56213440318@sonic.net>
	<CAG1cpSpJiMc36eKcwyFNV16ExCJ9S-Vv=+7paU++j0iep_jz-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<f64f85dc-9259-1781-6237-7ffae3ee5fb0@sonic.net>
	<4728EB59-3A12-4925-9A8F-F26B13B723CB@iotecdigital.com>
	<465889de-40fa-d565-e0c0-c1b28b0ed604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9BC81447-3EC7-48D5-A611-830283A38B90@iotecdigital.com>

Anything is possible, which is why I think color blind trolls and mischievous dwarves not too far fetched. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2018, at 08:43 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It is possible that, in the night, you were in some sort of fugue state,
> hopped into your car and changed the radio stations . . .
> 
> . . . similar to when  get out of bed in the morning and find LiveCode stacks that I
> didn't make littering my desktop. ;-)
> 
> Richmond.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 13:31:32 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:31:32 +0000
Subject: Sender of send in time
Message-ID: <070396E7-EB4D-48F5-8E6E-1B41359093CD@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I have a sticky problem here, or I should say a slippery one. Something in my scripts is sending a selectionChanged message in time to a specific datagrid when it shouldn't. How do I determine the sender of a send in time message? The pendingMessages and executionContexts are cleared by that time. 

Bob S




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 13:42:30 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:42:30 +0000
Subject: Sender of send in time
In-Reply-To: <070396E7-EB4D-48F5-8E6E-1B41359093CD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <070396E7-EB4D-48F5-8E6E-1B41359093CD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <D1A24B7D-598B-4AD8-A3D1-86BE47FB2D16@iotecdigital.com>

Nevermind I found it. But it's a good question. I had to search for "send selectionChanged" and breakpoint each statement until I hit on the correct one. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2018, at 10:31 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> I have a sticky problem here, or I should say a slippery one. Something in my scripts is sending a selectionChanged message in time to a specific datagrid when it shouldn't. How do I determine the sender of a send in time message? The pendingMessages and executionContexts are cleared by that time. 
> 
> Bob S




From dunbarx at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 13:45:36 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarxx)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 10:45:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Sender of send in time
In-Reply-To: <D1A24B7D-598B-4AD8-A3D1-86BE47FB2D16@iotecdigital.com>
References: <070396E7-EB4D-48F5-8E6E-1B41359093CD@iotecdigital.com>
	<D1A24B7D-598B-4AD8-A3D1-86BE47FB2D16@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1531417536862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi.

Would the "executionContexts" be of use here?

Craig



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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 13:54:17 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 17:54:17 +0000
Subject: Sender of send in time
In-Reply-To: <1531417536862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <070396E7-EB4D-48F5-8E6E-1B41359093CD@iotecdigital.com>
	<D1A24B7D-598B-4AD8-A3D1-86BE47FB2D16@iotecdigital.com>
	<1531417536862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5D435CB8-D722-4926-AB7D-7108C9478D4E@iotecdigital.com>

Hi Craig. 

No, because send in time allows for messages sent prior to complete execution, so whatever send in time is no longer executing. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2018, at 10:45 , dunbarxx via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Would the "executionContexts" be of use here?
> 
> Craig




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul 12 14:33:43 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:33:43 -0700
Subject: OS EOL (was: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics
	in LC)
In-Reply-To: <A02EE344-0E57-4A3C-BF08-A3E8C169C965@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A02EE344-0E57-4A3C-BF08-A3E8C169C965@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <898b71f7-8c63-f541-5c09-9ee840730b4b@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > Each of these Mac OS exploits require that the end user install
 > something on their computer, or allow it. As far as the doorstop
 > comparison, well that comment is a bit of a red herring now isn't it?
 > Brand new computers with current AV definitions and a completely
 > updated OS involves "some degree of risk".
 >
 > My point is that if you use a computer in such a way that it performs
 > it's job as it always has, an internal SQL server with no exposure to
 > the internet for example, then all other things being equal, it's not
 > obsolete by a certain definition.

How often do computer vendors advertise their network-capable products 
as not being fit for use on networks?

I suppose we could slice and dice to come up with all sorts of 
definitions.  Here's where I'm coming from:

Somehow this conversation became mistaken for one of brand advocacy.  I 
mentioned macOS 10.7.5 only because that's the version Richmond isn't 
allowed to upgrade beyond. Those who've been on this list a while have 
seen me use the phrase "not safe to use" for any brand of OS that has 
reached end-of-life (EOL).

If this has to be about one brand, I think there's an argument to be 
made that Apple does a better job in some (but not all) areas of 
security.  But they're not a magic pony.  There is no magic pony.  Even 
the best software is just imperfect humans making imperfect systems 
riddled with flaws waiting to by found by someone with an IQ north of 
160 who devotes their life to finding such things.  And they do, new 
ones every week.

If the phrases "safe to use" and its corollary "not safe to use" are 
uncomfortable, I got nothing for that.  I come across them frequently in 
discussions of OS EOL.  Given how many exploits are made possible by 
unpatched systems, the more I read on the subject the more I come across 
those phrases.

In this context, "obsolete" refers to a product comprised of hardware 
and software where the software half of it has reached what the vendor 
has determined is "end of life".

True, it's possible to extend the useful life of a computer by limiting 
oneself to a much narrower range of tasks than the product was 
originally designed for.

Another option is to replace the EOL'd software half of the product with 
something that's kept current. Given the cost, ease of updating, and 
well-published EOL dates for most distros, Linux makes a logical choice 
for that, since it supports a much broader range of hardware than any 
other OS.  But even that isn't brand advocacy (if it were I'd be 
suggesting that everyone replace their OS before the vendor EOLs it 
<g>), but merely pragmatism for those cases where the vendor provides no 
upgrade path for the now-EOL'd OS.

But neither of those options, viable as they may be for some users, are 
part of the product offering as sold.  Once the software half of a 
product no longer has an option to remain current with critical patches, 
the product as originally offered is no longer fit to serve the role it 
was designed for.  One word commonly used to describe a product beyond 
end-of-life is "obsolete".

Knowingly running unpatched systems is kind of a problem.  I don't feel 
at all uncomfortable encouraging folks to aim a bit higher than an Oingo 
Boingo security policy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpjHW4mr6qo

;)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul 12 14:57:11 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:57:11 -0700
Subject: Sender of send in time
In-Reply-To: <070396E7-EB4D-48F5-8E6E-1B41359093CD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <070396E7-EB4D-48F5-8E6E-1B41359093CD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <a2ee1671-4024-b5a6-a17a-99494eacc6eb@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > I have a sticky problem here, or I should say a slippery one.
 > Something in my scripts is sending a selectionChanged message in time
 > to a specific datagrid when it shouldn't. How do I determine the
 > sender of a send in time message? The pendingMessages and
 > executionContexts are cleared by that time.

I don't believe the LC engine maintains awareness of the sender of 
timers.  If it does, I don't know of a way that's exposed to scripters.

Where timers are used sparingly, it may be practical as a workaround to 
search for those instances and add a param to sent messages to track that.

Alternatively, when using "send...in <time>" then "the result" will 
contain the ID of the newly created timer.  You could use that as the 
key in an array which stores any info you need about the caller, being 
mindful of course to clear entries as they fire so the array doesn't 
grow beyond reasonable bounds.

May also be useful to submit an enhancement request for that info, 
though I have no suggestions as to how this should be handled, except 
perhaps by adding a new item to the pendingMessages entry which would 
contain the long id of the sender, if that's sufficient.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 15:59:49 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 19:59:49 +0000
Subject: Sender of send in time
In-Reply-To: <a2ee1671-4024-b5a6-a17a-99494eacc6eb@fourthworld.com>
References: <070396E7-EB4D-48F5-8E6E-1B41359093CD@iotecdigital.com>
	<a2ee1671-4024-b5a6-a17a-99494eacc6eb@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BE6CFE63-DD11-4A98-8743-375D02635B63@iotecdigital.com>

I wonder if the target would return the sender or the sender. I'll check it out. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2018, at 11:57 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
> > I have a sticky problem here, or I should say a slippery one.
> > Something in my scripts is sending a selectionChanged message in time
> > to a specific datagrid when it shouldn't. How do I determine the
> > sender of a send in time message? The pendingMessages and
> > executionContexts are cleared by that time.
> 
> I don't believe the LC engine maintains awareness of the sender of timers.  If it does, I don't know of a way that's exposed to scripters.
> 
> Where timers are used sparingly, it may be practical as a workaround to search for those instances and add a param to sent messages to track that.
> 
> Alternatively, when using "send...in <time>" then "the result" will contain the ID of the newly created timer.  You could use that as the key in an array which stores any info you need about the caller, being mindful of course to clear entries as they fire so the array doesn't grow beyond reasonable bounds.
> 
> May also be useful to submit an enhancement request for that info, though I have no suggestions as to how this should be handled, except perhaps by adding a new item to the pendingMessages entry which would contain the long id of the sender, if that's sufficient.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 12 16:02:32 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 20:02:32 +0000
Subject: Sender of send in time
In-Reply-To: <BE6CFE63-DD11-4A98-8743-375D02635B63@iotecdigital.com>
References: <070396E7-EB4D-48F5-8E6E-1B41359093CD@iotecdigital.com>
	<a2ee1671-4024-b5a6-a17a-99494eacc6eb@fourthworld.com>
	<BE6CFE63-DD11-4A98-8743-375D02635B63@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <E4F68DD1-5F02-478D-9227-A3F86F9208C8@iotecdigital.com>

Unfortunately it's the sendee. The object receiving the message. 

Bob S


> On Jul 12, 2018, at 12:59 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if the target would return the sender or the sender. I'll check it out. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2018, at 11:57 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a sticky problem here, or I should say a slippery one.
>>> Something in my scripts is sending a selectionChanged message in time
>>> to a specific datagrid when it shouldn't. How do I determine the
>>> sender of a send in time message? The pendingMessages and
>>> executionContexts are cleared by that time.
>> 
>> I don't believe the LC engine maintains awareness of the sender of timers.  If it does, I don't know of a way that's exposed to scripters.
>> 
>> Where timers are used sparingly, it may be practical as a workaround to search for those instances and add a param to sent messages to track that.
>> 
>> Alternatively, when using "send...in <time>" then "the result" will contain the ID of the newly created timer.  You could use that as the key in an array which stores any info you need about the caller, being mindful of course to clear entries as they fire so the array doesn't grow beyond reasonable bounds.
>> 
>> May also be useful to submit an enhancement request for that info, though I have no suggestions as to how this should be handled, except perhaps by adding a new item to the pendingMessages entry which would contain the long id of the sender, if that's sufficient.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
> 
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Fri Jul 13 04:26:38 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 10:26:38 +0200
Subject: Sender of send in time
Message-ID: <C54BDE9C-1728-4A9A-8EAC-E76D30B1959E@hyperhh.de>

> Bob S. wrote:
> Something in my scripts is sending a selectionChanged message in
> time to a specific datagrid when it shouldn't. How do I determine 
> the sender of a send in time message?

Simply use a a parameter:

send "selectionChanged <yourParam>" to <target> in <time>

where <yourParam> identifies the sender.



From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Fri Jul 13 06:23:39 2018
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 03:23:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_ysnegYaVonWHQgFk5rcYkpCU5Sjbvi_XP2aPsRaLK6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1531477419908-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Big thank you to the team for this.

LiveCode on Windows is now usable! No lag when the message box and the
Project Browser are is use.

Just tried /set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to "true"/ in an
Android project and no black screen and the quit command works as expected.

Great work!!!




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My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode 


Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk  

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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sat Jul 14 19:07:29 2018
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 16:07:29 -0700
Subject: Sender of send in time
In-Reply-To: <C54BDE9C-1728-4A9A-8EAC-E76D30B1959E@hyperhh.de>
References: <C54BDE9C-1728-4A9A-8EAC-E76D30B1959E@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <DFA8A77B-84ED-4B96-9BC1-86543CAE34AB@mail.com>



> On Jul 13, 2018, at 1:26 AM, hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Bob S. wrote:
>> Something in my scripts is sending a selectionChanged message in
>> time to a specific datagrid when it shouldn't. How do I determine 
>> the sender of a send in time message?
> 
> Simply use a a parameter:
> 
> send "selectionChanged <yourParam>" to <target> in <time>
> 
> where <yourParam> identifies the sender.
> 

Or, if you don?t want to create such parameters to identify your senders, you could use the executionContexts:

    send "selectionChanged item 2 of line -1 of the executionContexts" to <target> in <time>

Or, if you want to reduce clutter in your many senders, you could just:

    send "selectionChanged the executionContexts" to <target> in <time>

? Dick




From curry at pair.com  Sat Jul 14 21:29:20 2018
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 21:29:20 -0400
Subject: OS EOL (was: [Bug 19998] The non-appearance of Polygon graphics
	in LC)
In-Reply-To: <898b71f7-8c63-f541-5c09-9ee840730b4b@fourthworld.com>
References: <898b71f7-8c63-f541-5c09-9ee840730b4b@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5B4AA370.7040705@pair.com>


An older system offline could be useful for many things. People have 
used old computers even to get paralyzed people back in the game with 
speech. It could also run special projects, education or a kiosk. Be 
careful though.

A new system fully patched still could be risky online if people always 
trust the status quo and what's popular, without thinking it through.

Some things (like security patches) are popular for very good reasons. 
But other things not so much. The powers that be can only protect you to 
an extent - and sometimes we need protection from the powers that be. To 
survive and thrive, we need independent thinking too.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/



From curry at pair.com  Sat Jul 14 21:34:11 2018
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 21:34:11 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Release 9.0.1 RC-1
In-Reply-To: <1531477419908-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1531477419908-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5B4AA493.7030204@pair.com>


Andy:
> LiveCode on Windows is now usable! No lag when the message box
> and the Project Browser are is use.

Wow, I'm going to try it in a few days when I have a chance! About time 
too - a little less Winphobia and Windistance goes a looong way and 
helps keep in touch with a huge portion of our end users. Great news. :)

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/



From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jul 15 11:04:38 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 10:04:38 -0500
Subject: Browser Widget on Android
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZ8zBKRKaGeAr0_23QOT6sYz+U=xpx47J_b8eh=2azJBg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a question/small favor to ask someone that develops on Android.

When you place a browser widget on a stack and deploy to iOS, the content
inside the widget is always at native resolution.  If you use a resize
handler or the GM to position the rect and a FullScreenMode of noScale,
everything works as expected.  If you select any other FullScreenMode, then
the rect of the widget is adjust proportionally based on the mode, but the
content stays the native size (it doesn't get stretched/squished like other
native LiveCode controls).

To see this in action, you can use the MobileProfile stack I created (you
will need a splash image set for the actual size of the device for it to
work properly on iOS, not sure about Android).  The top grey circle will
show the browser widget.  The widget hides when an orientation change is
detected.

Here's a link to the stack.  I can post it elsewhere if needed.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tt81fn3jw8utmc6/MobileProfile.livecode?dl=0

My question is how does this work on Android?  My guess is that it would be
similar in that the content inside the browser widget would remain native
and just the LiveCode controls outside of it would get scaled.

Thanks,
Brian


From tom at makeshyft.com  Sun Jul 15 14:44:20 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 14:44:20 -0400
Subject: 64 bit LC
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks, am I correct to assume that a 64 bit build of livecode will
enable the engine to do more precise math?  I want to build a tool that
requires precise division  with really small decimals and multiplication of
large numbers I want to know the number of digits is can reliably count on
on both sides of 0, and get 100% accurate result every time.

Thank you for any clarification on this subject. I defer to your greater
wisdom.

I can't test LC linux on right now, and I don't have a mac ..or i would
test this myself. :)


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 15 17:20:32 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 16:20:32 -0500
Subject: Browser Widget on Android
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZ8zBKRKaGeAr0_23QOT6sYz+U=xpx47J_b8eh=2azJBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZ8zBKRKaGeAr0_23QOT6sYz+U=xpx47J_b8eh=2azJBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83ed1c88-e582-fb6a-9f6d-2eded11cbf90@hyperactivesw.com>

I tried your test stack but I don't think I know how to use it. The 
existing URL in the browser widget (your site) returns an error: Webpage 
not available, net::ERR_CACHE_MISS. I changed it to google.com and got 
the same thing.

At any rate, changing the fullscreenMode re-wrapped the text in the 
widget content as needed.

When I rotated the device everything went screwy. The previously black 
and (sort of) white center graphics controls fill colors. Once rotated 
to landscape it would never go back to portrait. When changing the 
fullescreenMode (in portrait,) remnants of the previous layout were 
visible underneath the new layout.

More instruction would be good, feel free to write me privately. I 
didn't examine the scripts.

On 7/15/18 10:04 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> I have a question/small favor to ask someone that develops on Android.
> 
> When you place a browser widget on a stack and deploy to iOS, the content
> inside the widget is always at native resolution.  If you use a resize
> handler or the GM to position the rect and a FullScreenMode of noScale,
> everything works as expected.  If you select any other FullScreenMode, then
> the rect of the widget is adjust proportionally based on the mode, but the
> content stays the native size (it doesn't get stretched/squished like other
> native LiveCode controls).
> 
> To see this in action, you can use the MobileProfile stack I created (you
> will need a splash image set for the actual size of the device for it to
> work properly on iOS, not sure about Android).  The top grey circle will
> show the browser widget.  The widget hides when an orientation change is
> detected.
> 
> Here's a link to the stack.  I can post it elsewhere if needed.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tt81fn3jw8utmc6/MobileProfile.livecode?dl=0
> 
> My question is how does this work on Android?  My guess is that it would be
> similar in that the content inside the browser widget would remain native
> and just the LiveCode controls outside of it would get scaled.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 15 17:31:02 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 16:31:02 -0500
Subject: Why you should sanitize input data
Message-ID: <38a9f428-d160-febd-6580-e18331aeff87@hyperactivesw.com>

I suspect the paranoid among us already know this, but I didn't realize 
it was quite so easy:

https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/how-to/use-command-injection-pop-reverse-shell-web-server-0185760/

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jul 15 18:43:20 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:43:20 -0500
Subject: Browser Widget on Android
In-Reply-To: <83ed1c88-e582-fb6a-9f6d-2eded11cbf90@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZ8zBKRKaGeAr0_23QOT6sYz+U=xpx47J_b8eh=2azJBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<83ed1c88-e582-fb6a-9f6d-2eded11cbf90@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaJnQPnrobuDPxLcZC6CzraxEAGS_7AF1+8dCkvSnzX6w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for doing a test.  I'll need to get some videos together to really
show what it does.  I'll need to wait until after LCG though... I'm such a
procrastinator :)

The stack was built as a proof of concept that the GM and PM could work
effectively on mobile.  The stack works fully on iOS.  From the above,
there are obviously some issues on the Android side.

The buttons on the left set the FullScreenMode of the stack.  It defaults
to noScale.  As long as the app is build with a splash image that matches
the device resolution (on iOS), then it should work for all.

The buttons on the right set the resolution of the stack.  If the stack
does not fill the screen, then artifacts of the full screen will remain for
"blank" areas except for showAll which on my devices does show gray.

By using different combinations of the 2 settings, you can examine how much
of the stack will be cut off or how the zooming will look.

Tapping the top circle will replace the bottom portion of the screen with a
web browser widget (currently set to my web site).  It hides when the
device is rotated.

The bottom of the card displays a log of orientation changes and resize
events.  I did notice that while in the orientationChanged handler, the
rect is still reported as the previous size.  I use a send in time 0 to be
sure it is updated properly.  On iOS, the only resize events triggered are
during startup when the profiles are updated (revSetStackProfile takes care
of the changes after that).

Oh, the color changes to the shapes is intentional.  That was mainly to
show that by using profiles you can do things other that just reposition
controls.

Thanks,
Brian

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:20 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I tried your test stack but I don't think I know how to use it. The
> existing URL in the browser widget (your site) returns an error: Webpage
> not available, net::ERR_CACHE_MISS. I changed it to google.com and got
> the same thing.
>
> At any rate, changing the fullscreenMode re-wrapped the text in the widget
> content as needed.
>
> When I rotated the device everything went screwy. The previously black and
> (sort of) white center graphics controls fill colors. Once rotated to
> landscape it would never go back to portrait. When changing the
> fullescreenMode (in portrait,) remnants of the previous layout were visible
> underneath the new layout.
>
> More instruction would be good, feel free to write me privately. I didn't
> examine the scripts.
>
>
> On 7/15/18 10:04 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> I have a question/small favor to ask someone that develops on Android.
>>
>> When you place a browser widget on a stack and deploy to iOS, the content
>> inside the widget is always at native resolution.  If you use a resize
>> handler or the GM to position the rect and a FullScreenMode of noScale,
>> everything works as expected.  If you select any other FullScreenMode,
>> then
>> the rect of the widget is adjust proportionally based on the mode, but the
>> content stays the native size (it doesn't get stretched/squished like
>> other
>> native LiveCode controls).
>>
>> To see this in action, you can use the MobileProfile stack I created (you
>> will need a splash image set for the actual size of the device for it to
>> work properly on iOS, not sure about Android).  The top grey circle will
>> show the browser widget.  The widget hides when an orientation change is
>> detected.
>>
>> Here's a link to the stack.  I can post it elsewhere if needed.
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tt81fn3jw8utmc6/MobileProfile.livecode?dl=0
>>
>> My question is how does this work on Android?  My guess is that it would
>> be
>> similar in that the content inside the browser widget would remain native
>> and just the LiveCode controls outside of it would get scaled.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From 1anmldr1 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 09:27:28 2018
From: 1anmldr1 at gmail.com (Linda Miller, DVM)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:27:28 -0500
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1531735201.12615.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531735201.12615.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <836F8096-648B-417A-BD1B-BF39E7A015F5@gmail.com>

I used to create apps and ebooks years and years ago for PDAs.  The only reason that I closed my business was Apple.  Let me explain.  I would contract with authors of books to publish an electronic version of their book. This was a new thing back then.  I also had a website where I sold the apps and eBooks.  I would get about 15% of the sale of every copy of books that I was publishing for Palm's and Pocket PC's.

Then came the iPhone and Apple's app store.  They charged 30% for the sale of everything.  I was not making that much and I was the creator of the apps and the publisher of the eBooks.  I could not make it with those amounts.  There was a way around this that I could see for the eBooks.  

SkyScape was a publisher of medical eBooks while mine were for veterinarians.  They provided a free app.  The customer would purchase eBooks on SkyScape's website. The customer would install the app on their device through Apple's AppStore and then either on their computer or their iPhone, they could go to SkyScape.com and purchase a book. Within the app, they had instructions for how to download their purchase. There was then a registration number depending on the device's IMEI(??) number or something that was specific to that customer.

SkyScape did not have to pay Apple the 30%. They were selling the eBooks outside of the Apple environment. I could have had a great business and it would have continued to this day.  I spent a LOT of time and money developing a similar app.  It was great.  It was primarily an eBook reader but there were other functions in the app as well.  It could read .txt, ePub, .pdf, HTML, and maybe others, I don't remember.  The steps for purchasing, installing and registering eBooks was similar to what SkyScape had done.

No matter how many changes I made, Apple kept refusing the app because I was selling the eBooks outside of their AppStore. 

SkyScape's business continues. Mine, I closed.  Our businesses were not competitors.  I even sold a few of their products through my website. I would buy a certain number at a discount and sell them at the regular price to the customer.

I never could figure out how to get around whatever it was that made Apple not accept my free app on the AppStore and yet a similar product they are allowing to this day.

I need help in figuring this out.  I have found LiveCode that I can use for development of apps on the different platforms.  I don't have to learn Xcode again.  But, I need to try to decide what to start developing.

Any suggestions?

If you want to see the process, if I have not explained it well enough, download the SkyScape app for Android or iOS to your device (I have not done it recently).  There should be some free eBooks to install either through the app or on their website.  This may give you an idea.

Linda


From kee.nethery at elloco.com  Mon Jul 16 09:41:47 2018
From: kee.nethery at elloco.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:41:47 -0700
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <836F8096-648B-417A-BD1B-BF39E7A015F5@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531735201.12615.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<836F8096-648B-417A-BD1B-BF39E7A015F5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3222901F-54DE-4E1D-AF8E-EAB37E195431@elloco.com>

First you develop a business selling ebooks that does not utilize the AppStore.

You sell online and the ebooks are useable on macOS, Windows, Android, web browser. 

Once that is fully functional, you add yet another reader, one for iOS. People who have already purchased content via some other mechanism, can view that content on iOS.

Selling content outside the AppStore via your iOS app raises all sorts of red flags.

Kee Nethery


On Jul 16, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Linda Miller, DVM via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I used to create apps and ebooks years and years ago for PDAs.  The only reason that I closed my business was Apple.  Let me explain.  I would contract with authors of books to publish an electronic version of their book. This was a new thing back then.  I also had a website where I sold the apps and eBooks.  I would get about 15% of the sale of every copy of books that I was publishing for Palm's and Pocket PC's.
> 
> Then came the iPhone and Apple's app store.  They charged 30% for the sale of everything.  I was not making that much and I was the creator of the apps and the publisher of the eBooks.  I could not make it with those amounts.  There was a way around this that I could see for the eBooks.  
> 
> SkyScape was a publisher of medical eBooks while mine were for veterinarians.  They provided a free app.  The customer would purchase eBooks on SkyScape's website. The customer would install the app on their device through Apple's AppStore and then either on their computer or their iPhone, they could go to SkyScape.com and purchase a book. Within the app, they had instructions for how to download their purchase. There was then a registration number depending on the device's IMEI(??) number or something that was specific to that customer.
> 
> SkyScape did not have to pay Apple the 30%. They were selling the eBooks outside of the Apple environment. I could have had a great business and it would have continued to this day.  I spent a LOT of time and money developing a similar app.  It was great.  It was primarily an eBook reader but there were other functions in the app as well.  It could read .txt, ePub, .pdf, HTML, and maybe others, I don't remember.  The steps for purchasing, installing and registering eBooks was similar to what SkyScape had done.
> 
> No matter how many changes I made, Apple kept refusing the app because I was selling the eBooks outside of their AppStore. 
> 
> SkyScape's business continues. Mine, I closed.  Our businesses were not competitors.  I even sold a few of their products through my website. I would buy a certain number at a discount and sell them at the regular price to the customer.
> 
> I never could figure out how to get around whatever it was that made Apple not accept my free app on the AppStore and yet a similar product they are allowing to this day.
> 
> I need help in figuring this out.  I have found LiveCode that I can use for development of apps on the different platforms.  I don't have to learn Xcode again.  But, I need to try to decide what to start developing.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> If you want to see the process, if I have not explained it well enough, download the SkyScape app for Android or iOS to your device (I have not done it recently).  There should be some free eBooks to install either through the app or on their website.  This may give you an idea.
> 
> Linda
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jul 16 10:01:15 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 15:01:15 +0100
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 137
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_yJKq50D+Y+UpMBJJsGWLK=kMUOOx-ZYHGfdVLvyEdEg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

        Read issue #137 here: https://goo.gl/udrjpg

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.


-- 
Panagiotis Merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
LiveCode Software Developer

Everyone Can Create Apps <https://livecode.com>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 16 10:50:43 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 14:50:43 +0000
Subject: Why you should sanitize input data
In-Reply-To: <38a9f428-d160-febd-6580-e18331aeff87@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <38a9f428-d160-febd-6580-e18331aeff87@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DACD1D24-3CD8-495E-A320-F68DA8E0322C@iotecdigital.com>

Judging by this, simply putting an SQL server behind a web server does not really protect the SQL server like some propose. Maybe I'm oversimplifying the issue, but it seems they are saying that using this method, shell commands can be executed, and that means access to the sql database can be had. 

Bob S


> On Jul 15, 2018, at 14:31 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I suspect the paranoid among us already know this, but I didn't realize it was quite so easy:
> 
> https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/how-to/use-command-injection-pop-reverse-shell-web-server-0185760/
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jul 16 11:52:43 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:52:43 -0500
Subject: Why you should sanitize input data
In-Reply-To: <DACD1D24-3CD8-495E-A320-F68DA8E0322C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <38a9f428-d160-febd-6580-e18331aeff87@hyperactivesw.com>
	<DACD1D24-3CD8-495E-A320-F68DA8E0322C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <fbc6d6e9-6df8-4dde-a32f-e735b43f359d@Spark>

It is all about input validation. Access to a SQL server is reasonable. Access to the shell is something that probably should be avoided. In either case you need to be sure the user/hacker cannot send requests that you do not allow.

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 16, 2018, 9:51 AM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> Judging by this, simply putting an SQL server behind a web server does not really protect the SQL server like some propose. Maybe I'm oversimplifying the issue, but it seems they are saying that using this method, shell commands can be executed, and that means access to the sql database can be had.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 15, 2018, at 14:31 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I suspect the paranoid among us already know this, but I didn't realize it was quite so easy:
> >
> > https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/how-to/use-command-injection-pop-reverse-shell-web-server-0185760/
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From kee.nethery at elloco.com  Mon Jul 16 14:50:24 2018
From: kee.nethery at elloco.com (kee nethery)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:50:24 -0700
Subject: Why you should sanitize input data
In-Reply-To: <38a9f428-d160-febd-6580-e18331aeff87@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <38a9f428-d160-febd-6580-e18331aeff87@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <343B1E49-F2A8-4F5B-A2AE-8745DD6FB8CD@elloco.com>

We had a system interface between a public web server and a SQL database that ran pre-formed SQL commands.

The table was specified, the variables were typed, the output was processed by XSLT, etc. 

The public server called a function that included the variables and got back whatever the XSLT produced. Each variable was checked to make sure it conformed to the type of data that variable could contain. Integer, Float, String, Boolean, etc. Strings were not allowed to have quotes in them, and some strings were optionally length limited.

We had a SQL table with these canned queries and an internal interface for building them. Each command also had a sample output so that if someone was using the command as part of a test, it would reply with the desired test data and not actually affect the SQL database.

SQL injection is just amazing to watch. Once saw a demonstration of a bank in India. In the login, they added SQL to the password field and got back a list of all the tables in the database. Very scary.

Kee

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:31 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I suspect the paranoid among us already know this, but I didn't realize it was quite so easy:
> 
> https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/how-to/use-command-injection-pop-reverse-shell-web-server-0185760/
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Jul 16 15:34:32 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:34:32 +0200
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the value
	field
Message-ID: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>

Hi,
is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough, especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right. Why was that changed.

Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That would be awesome.

Regards

Matthias Rebbe





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 16 16:06:51 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:06:51 +0000
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value	field
In-Reply-To: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
References: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <3E9C1AE6-3FC0-4DA3-BAC6-CE352C635798@iotecdigital.com>

I believe if you expand the entire property inspector pallette, the properties panel will expand. 

Bob S


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:34 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough, especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
> Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right. Why was that changed.
> 
> Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That would be awesome.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Matthias Rebbe




From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jul 16 16:07:31 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:07:31 -0400
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
References: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+OACsTKZWVhVzU8dvfMR+mP16Aien8QazYJwvOc_ov1Q@mail.gmail.com>

The PI has a lot of issues in 9.0 this is one of the more annoying ones.  I
really should record a video and demonstrate them all to the team.  not
great for new users.

I would say its a bug.  a workaround would be sending messages to the
property inspector. and try to automate the resizing.

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the
> Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough,
> especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
> Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right. Why
> was that changed.
>
> Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That
> would be awesome.
>
> Regards
>
> Matthias Rebbe
>
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 16 16:10:30 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:10:30 +0000
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+OACsTKZWVhVzU8dvfMR+mP16Aien8QazYJwvOc_ov1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
	<CAPzQJL+OACsTKZWVhVzU8dvfMR+mP16Aien8QazYJwvOc_ov1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0C0F894-8027-4674-8DF2-6B5917E7DEC8@iotecdigital.com>

Well since we are talking about it, I find that when I create a new property, or a new element in an existing property, having th click on the property, then on the name of the property is annoying. The same thing holds true for the property inspector and datagrids. You have to add a column, then CLICK on the colomn, then name the column, then click it again (sometimes reselect it) then you can change the label. GAH!!!

Bob S


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 13:07 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The PI has a lot of issues in 9.0 this is one of the more annoying ones.  I
> really should record a video and demonstrate them all to the team.  not
> great for new users.
> 
> I would say its a bug.  a workaround would be sending messages to the
> property inspector. and try to automate the resizing.




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Jul 16 16:11:15 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:11:15 +0200
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value	field
In-Reply-To: <3E9C1AE6-3FC0-4DA3-BAC6-CE352C635798@iotecdigital.com>
References: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
	<3E9C1AE6-3FC0-4DA3-BAC6-CE352C635798@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8D96B4C5-62E9-40C0-8999-E770C14185D2@m-r-d.de>

Bob, that doesn?t work. The list field of the custom properties expands, but the value field at the bottom still keeps its size and there is no way to resize it.

> Am 16.07.2018 um 22:06 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I believe if you expand the entire property inspector pallette, the properties panel will expand. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:34 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough, especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
>> Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right. Why was that changed.
>> 
>> Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That would be awesome.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Matthias Rebbe
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 16 16:12:11 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:12:11 +0000
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value	field
In-Reply-To: <8D96B4C5-62E9-40C0-8999-E770C14185D2@m-r-d.de>
References: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
	<3E9C1AE6-3FC0-4DA3-BAC6-CE352C635798@iotecdigital.com>
	<8D96B4C5-62E9-40C0-8999-E770C14185D2@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <028B41C9-F64D-4705-8DF3-B9198191CE3A@iotecdigital.com>

Sorry I misunderstood you. 

Bob S


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 13:11 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob, that doesn?t work. The list field of the custom properties expands, but the value field at the bottom still keeps its size and there is no way to resize it.
> 
> 


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 16 16:15:49 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:15:49 +0000
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <A0C0F894-8027-4674-8DF2-6B5917E7DEC8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
	<CAPzQJL+OACsTKZWVhVzU8dvfMR+mP16Aien8QazYJwvOc_ov1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<A0C0F894-8027-4674-8DF2-6B5917E7DEC8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <E4FCBF09-173C-4C62-9793-7CF04466A951@iotecdigital.com>

And since we are talking about it some more, open a property inspector pallet. Expand the pallet size so that the property pane gross. Now resize again only this time smaller. The property pane does NOT shrink with the pallet, but instead introduces scroll bars. That is a bit irritating too. I am constantly closing the pallets to reset them. Seems the property pane ought to shrink to a minimum height, THEN switch to scrolling if needed. But it's a small matter. 

Bob S


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 13:10 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Well since we are talking about it, I find that when I create a new property, or a new element in an existing property, having th click on the property, then on the name of the property is annoying. The same thing holds true for the property inspector and datagrids. You have to add a column, then CLICK on the colomn, then name the column, then click it again (sometimes reselect it) then you can change the label. GAH!!!
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2018, at 13:07 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The PI has a lot of issues in 9.0 this is one of the more annoying ones.  I
>> really should record a video and demonstrate them all to the team.  not
>> great for new users.
>> 
>> I would say its a bug.  a workaround would be sending messages to the
>> property inspector. and try to automate the resizing.
> 




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Jul 16 16:34:01 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:34:01 +0200
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJL+OACsTKZWVhVzU8dvfMR+mP16Aien8QazYJwvOc_ov1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
	<CAPzQJL+OACsTKZWVhVzU8dvfMR+mP16Aien8QazYJwvOc_ov1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9AD20BC5-C1F5-4905-8B9B-686056A2C46C@m-r-d.de>

Tom, 
so you are also living with this? In LC 8.1.10 it?s even not possible to maximize the height of the Property Inspector. And the value field also displays only 3 lines of text.
I can?t believe that this was not  noticed by one of the LC Team. Are they not using the PI?
I noticed it already in LC8 and lived with it instead of filing a bug.  

But i?ve done so now <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21423>.

Matthias

> Am 16.07.2018 um 22:07 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> The PI has a lot of issues in 9.0 this is one of the more annoying ones.  I
> really should record a video and demonstrate them all to the team.  not
> great for new users.
> 
> I would say its a bug.  a workaround would be sending messages to the
> property inspector. and try to automate the resizing.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the
>> Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough,
>> especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
>> Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right. Why
>> was that changed.
>> 
>> Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That
>> would be awesome.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 17:00:18 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:00:18 +0100
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <9AD20BC5-C1F5-4905-8B9B-686056A2C46C@m-r-d.de>
References: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
	<CAPzQJL+OACsTKZWVhVzU8dvfMR+mP16Aien8QazYJwvOc_ov1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<9AD20BC5-C1F5-4905-8B9B-686056A2C46C@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8BJTe4ppAnyRwEdUVPCAsQsDZ9_gZkwHFoscqDJnGKdw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thank you for the feedback.

We are aware of this problematic behavior. There is a bug report about it:
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20701

Best,
Panos
--





On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Tom,
> so you are also living with this? In LC 8.1.10 it?s even not possible to
> maximize the height of the Property Inspector. And the value field also
> displays only 3 lines of text.
> I can?t believe that this was not  noticed by one of the LC Team. Are they
> not using the PI?
> I noticed it already in LC8 and lived with it instead of filing a bug.
>
> But i?ve done so now <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21423>.
>
> Matthias
>
> > Am 16.07.2018 um 22:07 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > The PI has a lot of issues in 9.0 this is one of the more annoying
> ones.  I
> > really should record a video and demonstrate them all to the team.  not
> > great for new users.
> >
> > I would say its a bug.  a workaround would be sending messages to the
> > property inspector. and try to automate the resizing.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> is there a way to resize  the value field for custom properties in the
> >> Property Inspector? It just shows 3 lines. I think that is not enough,
> >> especially if one wants to store larger text files there.
> >> Older versions of LC allowed to resize that field if i remember right.
> Why
> >> was that changed.
> >>
> >> Anyway, does anyone know how to increase the height of that field? That
> >> would be awesome.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Matthias Rebbe
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 16 17:32:42 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:32:42 -0500
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <836F8096-648B-417A-BD1B-BF39E7A015F5@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531735201.12615.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<836F8096-648B-417A-BD1B-BF39E7A015F5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3dd1f666-9542-acef-9c9e-aa49fa3ee706@hyperactivesw.com>

The Steam gaming service was rejected for the same reason, but Apple 
recently changed their policy to allow purchases done from a browser to 
be downloaded via an iOS app.

<https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/5/17430532/apple-app-store-rules-valve-steam-link-game-streaming>

I don't know if this would apply to your app but if you search for 
"Steam app iOS rejection" you might find more info.

On 7/16/18 8:27 AM, Linda Miller, DVM via use-livecode wrote:
> I used to create apps and ebooks years and years ago for PDAs.  The only reason that I closed my business was Apple.  Let me explain.  I would contract with authors of books to publish an electronic version of their book. This was a new thing back then.  I also had a website where I sold the apps and eBooks.  I would get about 15% of the sale of every copy of books that I was publishing for Palm's and Pocket PC's.
> 
> Then came the iPhone and Apple's app store.  They charged 30% for the sale of everything.  I was not making that much and I was the creator of the apps and the publisher of the eBooks.  I could not make it with those amounts.  There was a way around this that I could see for the eBooks.
> 
> SkyScape was a publisher of medical eBooks while mine were for veterinarians.  They provided a free app.  The customer would purchase eBooks on SkyScape's website. The customer would install the app on their device through Apple's AppStore and then either on their computer or their iPhone, they could go to SkyScape.com and purchase a book. Within the app, they had instructions for how to download their purchase. There was then a registration number depending on the device's IMEI(??) number or something that was specific to that customer.
> 
> SkyScape did not have to pay Apple the 30%. They were selling the eBooks outside of the Apple environment. I could have had a great business and it would have continued to this day.  I spent a LOT of time and money developing a similar app.  It was great.  It was primarily an eBook reader but there were other functions in the app as well.  It could read .txt, ePub, .pdf, HTML, and maybe others, I don't remember.  The steps for purchasing, installing and registering eBooks was similar to what SkyScape had done.
> 
> No matter how many changes I made, Apple kept refusing the app because I was selling the eBooks outside of their AppStore.
> 
> SkyScape's business continues. Mine, I closed.  Our businesses were not competitors.  I even sold a few of their products through my website. I would buy a certain number at a discount and sell them at the regular price to the customer.
> 
> I never could figure out how to get around whatever it was that made Apple not accept my free app on the AppStore and yet a similar product they are allowing to this day.
> 
> I need help in figuring this out.  I have found LiveCode that I can use for development of apps on the different platforms.  I don't have to learn Xcode again.  But, I need to try to decide what to start developing.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> If you want to see the process, if I have not explained it well enough, download the SkyScape app for Android or iOS to your device (I have not done it recently).  There should be some free eBooks to install either through the app or on their website.  This may give you an idea.
> 
> Linda
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From 1anmldr1 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 17:46:45 2018
From: 1anmldr1 at gmail.com (Linda Miller, DVM)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:46:45 -0500
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.80.1531774822.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.80.1531774822.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <23279077-513F-473C-9CD4-6BB4D9CB981E@gmail.com>

>First you develop a business selling ebooks that does not utilize the AppStore.
>You sell online and the ebooks are useable on macOS, Windows, Android, web browser. 

Your proposal sounds as if I should spend many years developing a company and selling products for platforms that I am not really interested in (Windows and Mac OS)...and then and only then offer an iOS version. Why? Why not just iOS and Android?

I did have a thriving business for about 10 years.  The eBooks and apps were first for the Palm OS.  Then when Pocket PC's came out and Windows Mobile, etc. SkyScape and I were in the same sort of business.  It's original founder and I were developing apps at the same time and emailing each other occasionally. At the time, I had no interest in developing for desktop computers.

I even went to different veterinary schools and conventions promoting the use of handheld computers in veterinary medicine. It was fun.

Anyway, both SkyScape and I both had businesses selling eBooks that did not utilize the AppStore.

Here is a "proof" that I once had a business selling software that I created or was reselling...
http://www.anmldr.com/cart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=7 

I first started developing for the iPhone when only web pages were the "apps" that were used. There was no AppStore. Then most people had Apple products or Blackberries and not so much Androids--it had not taken off at that time. I stopped selling software and closed my (hobby) business as Palms and Pocket PCs, etc. faded out and since Apple would not approve my app.

>Selling content outside the AppStore via your iOS app raises all sorts of red flags.

I don't know why you are thinking that there should be red flags about my request though. SkyScape's app came out only a short time before mine was finished.  The same sort of verification process that they used was used in my app.  Theirs was approved and mine never was no matter how many times I updated it.

It was a hobby for me for my profession (I am a veterinarian).  Now, I am retired (early) due to vision problems and would like to start up my hobby again. I have not kept up with it all and so I asked for some theoretical help.

Thank you,
Linda


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 4:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:41:47 -0700
> From: Kee Nethery <kee.nethery at elloco.com <mailto:kee.nethery at elloco.com>>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> Subject: Re: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
> Message-ID: <3222901F-54DE-4E1D-AF8E-EAB37E195431 at elloco.com <mailto:3222901F-54DE-4E1D-AF8E-EAB37E195431 at elloco.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
> 
> First you develop a business selling ebooks that does not utilize the AppStore.
> 
> You sell online and the ebooks are useable on macOS, Windows, Android, web browser. 
> 
> Once that is fully functional, you add yet another reader, one for iOS. People who have already purchased content via some other mechanism, can view that content on iOS.
> 
> Selling content outside the AppStore via your iOS app raises all sorts of red flags.
> 
> Kee Nethery



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 16 18:15:28 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 17:15:28 -0500
Subject: Browser Widget on Android
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRaJnQPnrobuDPxLcZC6CzraxEAGS_7AF1+8dCkvSnzX6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZ8zBKRKaGeAr0_23QOT6sYz+U=xpx47J_b8eh=2azJBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<83ed1c88-e582-fb6a-9f6d-2eded11cbf90@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CA+yhkRaJnQPnrobuDPxLcZC6CzraxEAGS_7AF1+8dCkvSnzX6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8e0bbb10-6473-9be5-4e2f-ac7e44411025@hyperactivesw.com>

> As long as the app is build with a splash image that matches
> the device resolution (on iOS), then it should work for all.

Android doesn't use this. The stack is always sized to the screenRect 
and resolution is calculated automatically. (I thought the same was true 
for iOS, but it's been a while since I built for that.)

> The buttons on the right set the resolution of the stack.  If the stack
> does not fill the screen, then artifacts of the full screen will remain for
> "blank" areas except for showAll which on my devices does show gray.

This issue was fixed when changing cards in showAll mode but I don't 
think it resets anything when the stack size changes on the same card. 
You can force a redraw with "set the backcolor of this stack to the 
backcolor of this stack".

On Android, just changing the fullscreenMode is enough to see what gets 
cropped, since the stack will always fill the screen.

> By using different combinations of the 2 settings, you can examine how much
> of the stack will be cut off or how the zooming will look.

I'm not sure this is doable as-is, at least on Android, but a new 
"mobileSetFullScreenRectForOrientations" command was introduced to allow 
you to set the default sizes of a stack when the device is rotated. This 
is to allow for changes in layout between portrait and landscape, which 
is what you're doing.

> I did notice that while in the orientationChanged handler, the
> rect is still reported as the previous size.  I use a send in time 0 to be
> sure it is updated properly.  On iOS, the only resize events triggered are
> during startup when the profiles are updated (revSetStackProfile takes care
> of the changes after that).

OrientationChanged is sent before the redraw, so the dimensions aren't 
yet changed (as you noted.) A resizeStack message is sent after the 
rotation which is where layouts can be changed. But resizeStack isn't 
sent when fullScreenMode is in effect, so the "send in time" method is 
better there.

I have the feeling that fullScreenMode and manual layouts aren't 
entirely compatible. Manual layout is the old method and uses 
resizeStack to reset the layout. You could use geometry and profiles for 
that if you like. FullScreenMode was implemented to help us avoid that 
and pretty much works automatically without any extra effort. The one 
exception is if you need different card rects for portrait and 
landscape; in that case you specify 
mobileSetFullScreenRectForOrientations. Unfortunately the dictionary 
entry has missing words and is not very explanatory.


On 7/15/18 5:43 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for doing a test.  I'll need to get some videos together to really
> show what it does.  I'll need to wait until after LCG though... I'm such a
> procrastinator :)
> 
> The stack was built as a proof of concept that the GM and PM could work
> effectively on mobile.  The stack works fully on iOS.  From the above,
> there are obviously some issues on the Android side.
> 
> The buttons on the left set the FullScreenMode of the stack.  It defaults
> to noScale.  As long as the app is build with a splash image that matches
> the device resolution (on iOS), then it should work for all.
> 
> The buttons on the right set the resolution of the stack.  If the stack
> does not fill the screen, then artifacts of the full screen will remain for
> "blank" areas except for showAll which on my devices does show gray.
> 
> By using different combinations of the 2 settings, you can examine how much
> of the stack will be cut off or how the zooming will look.
> 
> Tapping the top circle will replace the bottom portion of the screen with a
> web browser widget (currently set to my web site).  It hides when the
> device is rotated.
> 
> The bottom of the card displays a log of orientation changes and resize
> events.  I did notice that while in the orientationChanged handler, the
> rect is still reported as the previous size.  I use a send in time 0 to be
> sure it is updated properly.  On iOS, the only resize events triggered are
> during startup when the profiles are updated (revSetStackProfile takes care
> of the changes after that).
> 
> Oh, the color changes to the shapes is intentional.  That was mainly to
> show that by using profiles you can do things other that just reposition
> controls.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> 
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 4:20 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I tried your test stack but I don't think I know how to use it. The
>> existing URL in the browser widget (your site) returns an error: Webpage
>> not available, net::ERR_CACHE_MISS. I changed it to google.com and got
>> the same thing.
>>
>> At any rate, changing the fullscreenMode re-wrapped the text in the widget
>> content as needed.
>>
>> When I rotated the device everything went screwy. The previously black and
>> (sort of) white center graphics controls fill colors. Once rotated to
>> landscape it would never go back to portrait. When changing the
>> fullescreenMode (in portrait,) remnants of the previous layout were visible
>> underneath the new layout.
>>
>> More instruction would be good, feel free to write me privately. I didn't
>> examine the scripts.
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/18 10:04 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question/small favor to ask someone that develops on Android.
>>>
>>> When you place a browser widget on a stack and deploy to iOS, the content
>>> inside the widget is always at native resolution.  If you use a resize
>>> handler or the GM to position the rect and a FullScreenMode of noScale,
>>> everything works as expected.  If you select any other FullScreenMode,
>>> then
>>> the rect of the widget is adjust proportionally based on the mode, but the
>>> content stays the native size (it doesn't get stretched/squished like
>>> other
>>> native LiveCode controls).
>>>
>>> To see this in action, you can use the MobileProfile stack I created (you
>>> will need a splash image set for the actual size of the device for it to
>>> work properly on iOS, not sure about Android).  The top grey circle will
>>> show the browser widget.  The widget hides when an orientation change is
>>> detected.
>>>
>>> Here's a link to the stack.  I can post it elsewhere if needed.
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tt81fn3jw8utmc6/MobileProfile.livecode?dl=0
>>>
>>> My question is how does this work on Android?  My guess is that it would
>>> be
>>> similar in that the content inside the browser widget would remain native
>>> and just the LiveCode controls outside of it would get scaled.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
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>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jul 16 19:33:22 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 16:33:22 -0700
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8BJTe4ppAnyRwEdUVPCAsQsDZ9_gZkwHFoscqDJnGKdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
	<CAPzQJL+OACsTKZWVhVzU8dvfMR+mP16Aien8QazYJwvOc_ov1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<9AD20BC5-C1F5-4905-8B9B-686056A2C46C@m-r-d.de>
	<CA+JfEq8BJTe4ppAnyRwEdUVPCAsQsDZ9_gZkwHFoscqDJnGKdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2acef5d9-0c7f-475c-18ee-5f354005ab89@sonic.net>

On 07/16/2018 02:00 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Thank you for the feedback.
> 
> We are aware of this problematic behavior. There is a bug report about it:
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20701

Also
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19880
and by reference
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21289
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21088

Here's how I currently deal with the annoyance:

open the property inspector
select Custom from the menubar
resize the property inspector to its minimum size
now you can embiggen it to whatever size you like

-- 
-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Mon Jul 16 20:39:22 2018
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:39:22 -0400
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <23279077-513F-473C-9CD4-6BB4D9CB981E@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.80.1531774822.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<23279077-513F-473C-9CD4-6BB4D9CB981E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F850D26F-AC99-4340-B984-1C3310B510EF@all-auctions.com>

Hi Linda,

Just so you can understand the process
I?m talking about, I want you to download
a book from https://www.gutenberg.org <https://www.gutenberg.org/> 
on your iOS device. (Just get a free book
from them to try, and download it as a .pdf file.

The strategy you can then use is:

Turn your books into .pdf files.
Have people buy them from your website.
Have your website sell the book to them.
Use PayPal or a similar solution.

There are also other websites out there
already set up to sell your books for you.

You don?t need an app then, and you
don?t need apple either.

It should work fine.

The downside is that you won?t be uploading
your book to apple.  The upside is that they
won?t be taking 30% from you either.

Good luck!

Rick



> On Jul 16, 2018, at 5:46 PM, Linda Miller, DVM via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> First you develop a business selling ebooks that does not utilize the AppStore.
>> You sell online and the ebooks are useable on macOS, Windows, Android, web browser. 
> 
> Your proposal sounds as if I should spend many years developing a company and selling products for platforms that I am not really interested in (Windows and Mac OS)...and then and only then offer an iOS version. Why? Why not just iOS and Android?
> 
> I did have a thriving business for about 10 years.  The eBooks and apps were first for the Palm OS.  Then when Pocket PC's came out and Windows Mobile, etc. SkyScape and I were in the same sort of business.  It's original founder and I were developing apps at the same time and emailing each other occasionally. At the time, I had no interest in developing for desktop computers.
> 
> I even went to different veterinary schools and conventions promoting the use of handheld computers in veterinary medicine. It was fun.
> 
> Anyway, both SkyScape and I both had businesses selling eBooks that did not utilize the AppStore.
> 
> Here is a "proof" that I once had a business selling software that I created or was reselling...
> http://www.anmldr.com/cart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=7 
> 
> I first started developing for the iPhone when only web pages were the "apps" that were used. There was no AppStore. Then most people had Apple products or Blackberries and not so much Androids--it had not taken off at that time. I stopped selling software and closed my (hobby) business as Palms and Pocket PCs, etc. faded out and since Apple would not approve my app.
> 
>> Selling content outside the AppStore via your iOS app raises all sorts of red flags.
> 
> I don't know why you are thinking that there should be red flags about my request though. SkyScape's app came out only a short time before mine was finished.  The same sort of verification process that they used was used in my app.  Theirs was approved and mine never was no matter how many times I updated it.
> 
> It was a hobby for me for my profession (I am a veterinarian).  Now, I am retired (early) due to vision problems and would like to start up my hobby again. I have not kept up with it all and so I asked for some theoretical help.
> 
> Thank you,
> Linda
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2018, at 4:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:41:47 -0700
>> From: Kee Nethery <kee.nethery at elloco.com <mailto:kee.nethery at elloco.com>>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
>> Message-ID: <3222901F-54DE-4E1D-AF8E-EAB37E195431 at elloco.com <mailto:3222901F-54DE-4E1D-AF8E-EAB37E195431 at elloco.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> First you develop a business selling ebooks that does not utilize the AppStore.
>> 
>> You sell online and the ebooks are useable on macOS, Windows, Android, web browser. 
>> 
>> Once that is fully functional, you add yet another reader, one for iOS. People who have already purchased content via some other mechanism, can view that content on iOS.
>> 
>> Selling content outside the AppStore via your iOS app raises all sorts of red flags.
>> 
>> Kee Nethery
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From bogdanoff at me.com  Mon Jul 16 21:53:42 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 18:53:42 -0700
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <F850D26F-AC99-4340-B984-1C3310B510EF@all-auctions.com>
References: <mailman.80.1531774822.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<23279077-513F-473C-9CD4-6BB4D9CB981E@gmail.com>
	<F850D26F-AC99-4340-B984-1C3310B510EF@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <04B8BD99-76E6-4A46-ADF6-D1474296BA38@me.com>

This would assume that Linda?s books don?t need an app?they aren?t interactive.

Peter


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Linda,
> 
> Just so you can understand the process
> I?m talking about, I want you to download
> a book from https://www.gutenberg.org <https://www.gutenberg.org/> 
> on your iOS device. (Just get a free book
> from them to try, and download it as a .pdf file.
> 
> The strategy you can then use is:
> 
> Turn your books into .pdf files.
> Have people buy them from your website.
> Have your website sell the book to them.
> Use PayPal or a similar solution.
> 
> There are also other websites out there
> already set up to sell your books for you.
> 
> You don?t need an app then, and you
> don?t need apple either.
> 
> It should work fine.
> 
> The downside is that you won?t be uploading
> your book to apple.  The upside is that they
> won?t be taking 30% from you either.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2018, at 5:46 PM, Linda Miller, DVM via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> First you develop a business selling ebooks that does not utilize the AppStore.
>>> You sell online and the ebooks are useable on macOS, Windows, Android, web browser. 
>> 
>> Your proposal sounds as if I should spend many years developing a company and selling products for platforms that I am not really interested in (Windows and Mac OS)...and then and only then offer an iOS version. Why? Why not just iOS and Android?
>> 
>> I did have a thriving business for about 10 years.  The eBooks and apps were first for the Palm OS.  Then when Pocket PC's came out and Windows Mobile, etc. SkyScape and I were in the same sort of business.  It's original founder and I were developing apps at the same time and emailing each other occasionally. At the time, I had no interest in developing for desktop computers.
>> 
>> I even went to different veterinary schools and conventions promoting the use of handheld computers in veterinary medicine. It was fun.
>> 
>> Anyway, both SkyScape and I both had businesses selling eBooks that did not utilize the AppStore.
>> 
>> Here is a "proof" that I once had a business selling software that I created or was reselling...
>> http://www.anmldr.com/cart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=7 
>> 
>> I first started developing for the iPhone when only web pages were the "apps" that were used. There was no AppStore. Then most people had Apple products or Blackberries and not so much Androids--it had not taken off at that time. I stopped selling software and closed my (hobby) business as Palms and Pocket PCs, etc. faded out and since Apple would not approve my app.
>> 
>>> Selling content outside the AppStore via your iOS app raises all sorts of red flags.
>> 
>> I don't know why you are thinking that there should be red flags about my request though. SkyScape's app came out only a short time before mine was finished.  The same sort of verification process that they used was used in my app.  Theirs was approved and mine never was no matter how many times I updated it.
>> 
>> It was a hobby for me for my profession (I am a veterinarian).  Now, I am retired (early) due to vision problems and would like to start up my hobby again. I have not kept up with it all and so I asked for some theoretical help.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Linda
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2018, at 4:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 06:41:47 -0700
>>> From: Kee Nethery <kee.nethery at elloco.com <mailto:kee.nethery at elloco.com>>
>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
>>> Message-ID: <3222901F-54DE-4E1D-AF8E-EAB37E195431 at elloco.com <mailto:3222901F-54DE-4E1D-AF8E-EAB37E195431 at elloco.com>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>>> 
>>> First you develop a business selling ebooks that does not utilize the AppStore.
>>> 
>>> You sell online and the ebooks are useable on macOS, Windows, Android, web browser. 
>>> 
>>> Once that is fully functional, you add yet another reader, one for iOS. People who have already purchased content via some other mechanism, can view that content on iOS.
>>> 
>>> Selling content outside the AppStore via your iOS app raises all sorts of red flags.
>>> 
>>> Kee Nethery
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jul 16 22:51:12 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 02:51:12 +0000
Subject: Browser Widget on Android
In-Reply-To: <8e0bbb10-6473-9be5-4e2f-ac7e44411025@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZ8zBKRKaGeAr0_23QOT6sYz+U=xpx47J_b8eh=2azJBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<83ed1c88-e582-fb6a-9f6d-2eded11cbf90@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CA+yhkRaJnQPnrobuDPxLcZC6CzraxEAGS_7AF1+8dCkvSnzX6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8e0bbb10-6473-9be5-4e2f-ac7e44411025@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <46ABAFE9-8F23-4191-ABF1-3B54B0FA5AFC@hindu.org>

9.0.1 RC1 I don't think this is working, OR, I don't know how it works.

go stack url "http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/Tester-Landscape-TsNet.livecode"

(you have seen in before) 

I can't get the browser  (widget "body) to change its rect, no matter what I do.

I have a support request in on my business license to "tell me what I am doing wrong" 

OR 

They will determine it is a bug.

BR

 J. Landman Gay wrote:

    I'm not sure this is doable as-is, at least on Android, but a new 
    "mobileSetFullScreenRectForOrientations" command was introduced to allow 
    you to set the default sizes of a stack when the device is rotated. This 
    is to allow for changes in layout between portrait and landscape, which 
    is what you're doing.


From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jul 16 23:23:49 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 22:23:49 -0500
Subject: Browser Widget on Android
In-Reply-To: <46ABAFE9-8F23-4191-ABF1-3B54B0FA5AFC@hindu.org>
References: <CA+yhkRZ8zBKRKaGeAr0_23QOT6sYz+U=xpx47J_b8eh=2azJBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<83ed1c88-e582-fb6a-9f6d-2eded11cbf90@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CA+yhkRaJnQPnrobuDPxLcZC6CzraxEAGS_7AF1+8dCkvSnzX6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8e0bbb10-6473-9be5-4e2f-ac7e44411025@hyperactivesw.com>
	<46ABAFE9-8F23-4191-ABF1-3B54B0FA5AFC@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaMFAp0UCX-NTurZfUyoGz5X7G3hdCftzXC+JVBcLWp2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I can't do the testing right now, but I think that your "portrainUI"
handler is causing the issue.  In there you restrict the orientations to
portrait only.  If you are doing that to force the device to rotate, you
probably need to add another one at the end that unlocks the device so that
it can be in any of the 4 orientations.


On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:51 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> 9.0.1 RC1 I don't think this is working, OR, I don't know how it works.
>
> go stack url "http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/Tester-Landscape-
> TsNet.livecode"
>
> (you have seen in before)
>
> I can't get the browser  (widget "body) to change its rect, no matter what
> I do.
>
> I have a support request in on my business license to "tell me what I am
> doing wrong"
>
> OR
>
> They will determine it is a bug.
>
> BR
>
>  J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>     I'm not sure this is doable as-is, at least on Android, but a new
>     "mobileSetFullScreenRectForOrientations" command was introduced to
> allow
>     you to set the default sizes of a stack when the device is rotated.
> This
>     is to allow for changes in layout between portrait and landscape,
> which
>     is what you're doing.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Mon Jul 16 23:45:45 2018
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 23:45:45 -0400
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <04B8BD99-76E6-4A46-ADF6-D1474296BA38@me.com>
References: <mailman.80.1531774822.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<23279077-513F-473C-9CD4-6BB4D9CB981E@gmail.com>
	<F850D26F-AC99-4340-B984-1C3310B510EF@all-auctions.com>
	<04B8BD99-76E6-4A46-ADF6-D1474296BA38@me.com>
Message-ID: <C9693F54-5C02-4EE5-890A-70F9956317DF@all-auctions.com>

Hi Peter,

Yes that is the assumption.  If they were
originally made for Palm OS it is doubtful
they would have been interactive in the
first place. Although, PDF files can still 
have hyperlinks to other websites which 
could then provide additional interactive
functionality fo the book.

I hope the information is helpful. 

Rick


> On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:53 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> This would assume that Linda?s books don?t need an app?they aren?t interactive.
> 
> Peter



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 17 01:24:05 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 00:24:05 -0500
Subject: Browser Widget on Android
In-Reply-To: <46ABAFE9-8F23-4191-ABF1-3B54B0FA5AFC@hindu.org>
References: <CA+yhkRZ8zBKRKaGeAr0_23QOT6sYz+U=xpx47J_b8eh=2azJBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<83ed1c88-e582-fb6a-9f6d-2eded11cbf90@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CA+yhkRaJnQPnrobuDPxLcZC6CzraxEAGS_7AF1+8dCkvSnzX6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<8e0bbb10-6473-9be5-4e2f-ac7e44411025@hyperactivesw.com>
	<46ABAFE9-8F23-4191-ABF1-3B54B0FA5AFC@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <164a6b21108.2761.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I got your stack to work last week but my email to you bounced and then I 
got distracted. I'll get it to you tomorrow when I'm at the Mac. If anyone 
on the list is interested I'll post a link here too.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 16, 2018 9:53:09 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> 9.0.1 RC1 I don't think this is working, OR, I don't know how it works.
>
> go stack url "http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/Tester-Landscape-TsNet.livecode"
>
> (you have seen in before)
>
> I can't get the browser  (widget "body) to change its rect, no matter what 
> I do.
>
> I have a support request in on my business license to "tell me what I am 
> doing wrong"
>
> OR
>
> They will determine it is a bug.
>
> BR
>
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>    I'm not sure this is doable as-is, at least on Android, but a new
>    "mobileSetFullScreenRectForOrientations" command was introduced to allow
>    you to set the default sizes of a stack when the device is rotated. This
>    is to allow for changes in layout between portrait and landscape, which
>    is what you're doing.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode






From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jul 17 02:43:17 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:43:17 +0200
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <2acef5d9-0c7f-475c-18ee-5f354005ab89@sonic.net>
References: <0E7C5256-B906-4B69-A685-9F6BCE6844F5@m-r-d.de>
	<CAPzQJL+OACsTKZWVhVzU8dvfMR+mP16Aien8QazYJwvOc_ov1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<9AD20BC5-C1F5-4905-8B9B-686056A2C46C@m-r-d.de>
	<CA+JfEq8BJTe4ppAnyRwEdUVPCAsQsDZ9_gZkwHFoscqDJnGKdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2acef5d9-0c7f-475c-18ee-5f354005ab89@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <92F1321B-09A1-492F-97DB-A3100937DC20@m-r-d.de>

Mark,
but even then the ?value? field still shows 3 lines of text and cannot be resized

> Am 17.07.2018 um 01:33 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 07/16/2018 02:00 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Thank you for the feedback.
>> We are aware of this problematic behavior. There is a bug report about it:
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20701
> 
> Also
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19880
> and by reference
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21289
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21088
> 
> Here's how I currently deal with the annoyance:
> 
> open the property inspector
> select Custom from the menubar
> resize the property inspector to its minimum size
> now you can embiggen it to whatever size you like
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Tue Jul 17 05:01:35 2018
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:01:35 +0100
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <836F8096-648B-417A-BD1B-BF39E7A015F5@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531735201.12615.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<836F8096-648B-417A-BD1B-BF39E7A015F5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0BF0F824-8C50-4F55-BFE3-7CEA57313D30@pidigital.co.uk>

Similar to Kee?s example is that of Amazon Prime Video while still respecting the example given of the likes of Valve and Sony PlayStation streamers. 

With Prime Video, users cannot purchase either a subscription or any content directly (or indirectly via a link) from the apps for iPad, iPhone or AppleTV. They are ?instructed? to purchase from the website (which they can do ironically in Safari on their iPad or iPhone). They cannot even purchase the content from the Amazon Shopping app staying simply ?This item is not available to purchase from your device? (while you can from the sister apps on Android devices). 


> On 16 Jul 2018, at 14:27, Linda Miller, DVM via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I used to create apps and ebooks years and years ago for PDAs.  The only reason that I closed my business was Apple.  Let me explain.  I would contract with authors of books to publish an electronic version of their book. This was a new thing back then.  I also had a website where I sold the apps and eBooks.  I would get about 15% of the sale of every copy of books that I was publishing for Palm's and Pocket PC's.
> 
> Then came the iPhone and Apple's app store.  They charged 30% for the sale of everything.  I was not making that much and I was the creator of the apps and the publisher of the eBooks.  I could not make it with those amounts.  There was a way around this that I could see for the eBooks.  
> 
> SkyScape was a publisher of medical eBooks while mine were for veterinarians.  They provided a free app.  The customer would purchase eBooks on SkyScape's website. The customer would install the app on their device through Apple's AppStore and then either on their computer or their iPhone, they could go to SkyScape.com and purchase a book. Within the app, they had instructions for how to download their purchase. There was then a registration number depending on the device's IMEI(??) number or something that was specific to that customer.
> 
> SkyScape did not have to pay Apple the 30%. They were selling the eBooks outside of the Apple environment. I could have had a great business and it would have continued to this day.  I spent a LOT of time and money developing a similar app.  It was great.  It was primarily an eBook reader but there were other functions in the app as well.  It could read .txt, ePub, .pdf, HTML, and maybe others, I don't remember.  The steps for purchasing, installing and registering eBooks was similar to what SkyScape had done.
> 
> No matter how many changes I made, Apple kept refusing the app because I was selling the eBooks outside of their AppStore. 
> 
> SkyScape's business continues. Mine, I closed.  Our businesses were not competitors.  I even sold a few of their products through my website. I would buy a certain number at a discount and sell them at the regular price to the customer.
> 
> I never could figure out how to get around whatever it was that made Apple not accept my free app on the AppStore and yet a similar product they are allowing to this day.
> 
> I need help in figuring this out.  I have found LiveCode that I can use for development of apps on the different platforms.  I don't have to learn Xcode again.  But, I need to try to decide what to start developing.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> If you want to see the process, if I have not explained it well enough, download the SkyScape app for Android or iOS to your device (I have not done it recently).  There should be some free eBooks to install either through the app or on their website.  This may give you an idea.
> 
> Linda
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From curry at pair.com  Tue Jul 17 06:59:34 2018
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 06:59:34 -0400
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <A0C0F894-8027-4674-8DF2-6B5917E7DEC8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A0C0F894-8027-4674-8DF2-6B5917E7DEC8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5B4DCC16.8070305@pair.com>


Bob:
 > I find that when I create a new property, or a new element
 > in an existing property, having th click on the property, then
 > on the name of the property is annoying.

Absolutely, and it's actually training people to learn and use 
inefficient actions. Conceptually and with muscle memory! It's a pity so 
many well-honed, valuable time-saving features of the IDE were discarded 
and forgotten when updating it. An interface should be efficient to use 
hands-on. Improvements don't reduce efficiency. It'll be a good thing 
when the IDE regains some of the strengths it had.

Please QA this if you can - there are many such IDE issues but I haven't 
had time. I'll add my vote. I'm usually working on a tight deadline when 
I notice this stuff. There's another custom prop editor bug (an actual 
bug that makes it easy to lose the edited text) but I forget the trigger 
until I work with it again.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

Custom Software Development
LiveCode Training and Consulting
http://livecodeconsulting.com/



From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Jul 17 10:47:47 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 16:47:47 +0200
Subject: iOS and video mirroring
Message-ID: <F91FBCA4-D1F0-44AD-96CE-A31830F97709@mac.com>

Those of us who use iOS devices to watch video sometimes want to see stuff on a big screen. One way of doing this is to buy a (very expensive) Apple Lightning to HDMi connector and connect your device (iPhone or iPad) to an HD TV using an HDMI cable. Bingo! Only sometimes it doesn?t work? it?s OK for example with Netflix,  but there are other apps (NowTV in the UK for example) that report that the connection is not allowed. This seems to imply that Apple have an API for this feature that is somehow restricted - maybe you have to pay Apple to implement such a link. I was thinking of doing something like this in LC, but I need to understand this restriction first.

Is there anyone here that understands Apple?s arcane rules sufficiently to explain what?s going on?

TIA

Graham


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 17 10:51:05 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 14:51:05 +0000
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <5B4DCC16.8070305@pair.com>
References: <A0C0F894-8027-4674-8DF2-6B5917E7DEC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<5B4DCC16.8070305@pair.com>
Message-ID: <5AD5FDA4-1FB2-4FF8-A45E-5E549E20C61B@iotecdigital.com>

You may be referring to the issue when setting the value of a custom prop, if you click away, like to another stack or tool after editing in the value field, the prop will not retain the value you entered. Also clicking on another property will not retain the value. You have to tab out or click some other object in the property inspector. I've gotten into the habit of always tabbing out of the value field. This is the same for creating datagrid columns, which suffers from many of the same anomalies. 

Bob S


> On Jul 17, 2018, at 03:59 , Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> There's another custom prop editor bug (an actual bug that makes it easy to lose the edited text) but I forget the trigger until I work with it again.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Curry Kenworthy




From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul 17 10:52:24 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:52:24 -0500
Subject: iOS and video mirroring
In-Reply-To: <F91FBCA4-D1F0-44AD-96CE-A31830F97709@mac.com>
References: <F91FBCA4-D1F0-44AD-96CE-A31830F97709@mac.com>
Message-ID: <b1cbdfda-57cb-4302-961b-54c53894fc43@Spark>

It is much more simple... it is up to the app author. If they don?t want you to display on an external screen they disable the ability.

I have my internet through the cable company. They have an app that shows live local stations. They don?t allow it to be shown on a big screen unless you subscribe to the cable service.

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 17, 2018, 9:48 AM -0500, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> Those of us who use iOS devices to watch video sometimes want to see stuff on a big screen. One way of doing this is to buy a (very expensive) Apple Lightning to HDMi connector and connect your device (iPhone or iPad) to an HD TV using an HDMI cable. Bingo! Only sometimes it doesn?t work? it?s OK for example with Netflix, but there are other apps (NowTV in the UK for example) that report that the connection is not allowed. This seems to imply that Apple have an API for this feature that is somehow restricted - maybe you have to pay Apple to implement such a link. I was thinking of doing something like this in LC, but I need to understand this restriction first.
>
> Is there anyone here that understands Apple?s arcane rules sufficiently to explain what?s going on?
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 17 10:57:35 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:57:35 -0700
Subject: Why you should sanitize input data
In-Reply-To: <DACD1D24-3CD8-495E-A320-F68DA8E0322C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <DACD1D24-3CD8-495E-A320-F68DA8E0322C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <a7b738df-9d56-ad98-54e9-e2be1f0113d4@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > Judging by this, simply putting an SQL server behind a web server does
 > not really protect the SQL server like some propose. Maybe I'm
 > oversimplifying the issue, but it seems they are saying that using
 > this method, shell commands can be executed, and that means access to
 > the sql database can be had.

Everything is hackable.

But the more elements we put into place, the smaller the system's attack 
surface becomes.

Simply hiring a security guard will do nothing to protect your business. 
  But working with a well trained guard to examine your facility's 
layout, identify entrances and exits, and establish a comprehensive plan 
for patrolling and mitigating unauthorized entry will stop most would-be 
burglars.

Same with server middleware.  The mere existence of 
PHP/Perl/Python/LiveCode/etc. by itself won't do much.  Smart of use of 
those, however, represents common best practice for protecting the full 
scope of MySQL's rich feature set from the open Internet.

While it's possible to mitigate many risks by using especially strong 
passwords (using modern best practices favoring length over yesteryear's 
fixation on complexity) along with stored procedures and other MySQL 
features, the belt-and-suspenders approach with using middleware has 
become the common best practice for good reason, allowing an additional 
layer of fine-grained control over the details of handling requests that 
are beyond the scope of MySQL's design.

Extra bonus points that crafting APIs with middleware can also greatly 
accelerate client development, esp. where client implementation covers 
different access options (native client as well as browser, for 
example), and helps factor storage from model to allow changes to either 
in ways that minimize impact on other elements.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From 1anmldr1 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 11:20:59 2018
From: 1anmldr1 at gmail.com (Linda Miller, DVM)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:20:59 -0500
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1531821602.21931.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531821602.21931.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <832460D2-1853-4E68-968D-B2B1014DB46B@gmail.com>

Thank you, Sean and J. Landman Gay.

I have not kept up with Apple's policy's since I closed the business.  Using both Sean and J. Landman Gay's info, I think that I can make it work! I am excited and relieved. 

All of the eBooks would not be interactive other than using HTML, JavaScript and CSS.  I would start to create actual apps (again) and pay Apple their cut for those.  It is the eBooks that I could not have a business model that Apple makes 30% and me my cut, then the authors would not be making as much as they deserve.

Linda

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 11:47:05 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 18:47:05 +0300
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <5B4DCC16.8070305@pair.com>
References: <A0C0F894-8027-4674-8DF2-6B5917E7DEC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<5B4DCC16.8070305@pair.com>
Message-ID: <e4415a19-3624-5bbc-ebda-f73cd5f6efae@gmail.com>

Having worked with LiveCode 8 extensively now I can say
that the Property palette is far far more awkward to use thatn the 
LiveCode 7 one,
and I wish there were an easy way to revert to that property palette.

Richmond.

On 17/7/2018 1:59 pm, Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode wrote:
>
> Bob:
> > I find that when I create a new property, or a new element
> > in an existing property, having th click on the property, then
> > on the name of the property is annoying.
>
> Absolutely, and it's actually training people to learn and use 
> inefficient actions. Conceptually and with muscle memory! It's a pity 
> so many well-honed, valuable time-saving features of the IDE were 
> discarded and forgotten when updating it. An interface should be 
> efficient to use hands-on. Improvements don't reduce efficiency. It'll 
> be a good thing when the IDE regains some of the strengths it had.
>
> Please QA this if you can - there are many such IDE issues but I 
> haven't had time. I'll add my vote. I'm usually working on a tight 
> deadline when I notice this stuff. There's another custom prop editor 
> bug (an actual bug that makes it easy to lose the edited text) but I 
> forget the trigger until I work with it again.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Curry Kenworthy
>
> Custom Software Development
> LiveCode Training and Consulting
> http://livecodeconsulting.com/
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 11:49:24 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 18:49:24 +0300
Subject: Property inspector / custom properties - how can i resize the
	value field
In-Reply-To: <5AD5FDA4-1FB2-4FF8-A45E-5E549E20C61B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A0C0F894-8027-4674-8DF2-6B5917E7DEC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<5B4DCC16.8070305@pair.com>
	<5AD5FDA4-1FB2-4FF8-A45E-5E549E20C61B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <69b4425e-34a5-9b22-40ff-eeb9fe8b9cd5@gmail.com>

That is a really silly problem which meant that I had to set 12 custom 
props 4 times before I worked
out how to do something that should be rather more intuitive.

Richmond.

On 17/7/2018 5:51 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> You may be referring to the issue when setting the value of a custom prop, if you click away, like to another stack or tool after editing in the value field, the prop will not retain the value you entered. Also clicking on another property will not retain the value. You have to tab out or click some other object in the property inspector. I've gotten into the habit of always tabbing out of the value field. This is the same for creating datagrid columns, which suffers from many of the same anomalies.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 03:59 , Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> There's another custom prop editor bug (an actual bug that makes it easy to lose the edited text) but I forget the trigger until I work with it again.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Curry Kenworthy
>
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 13:05:00 2018
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:05:00 -0700
Subject: iOS and video mirroring
In-Reply-To: <F91FBCA4-D1F0-44AD-96CE-A31830F97709@mac.com>
References: <F91FBCA4-D1F0-44AD-96CE-A31830F97709@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7FFE7D25-AE55-4BBF-8F94-E6EE8718B77C@gmail.com>

HDMI itself has DRM, and I can imagine there are cables that work for non-DRM content, but won?t work for DRM content.

Here?s an article on the issue, and some suggested fixes:

https://www.howtogeek.com/208917/htg-explains-how-hdcp-breaks-your-hdtv-and-how-to-fix-it/


From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Tue Jul 17 14:44:34 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 18:44:34 +0000
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.80.1531774822.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20180717184434.Horde.Yem47Tz3yhsJvWfyDtKKZme@ua850258.serversignin.com>

One method is to offer things for sale outside of things for sale to  
the outside world that then unlock content in your app. I have a  
client that a made an app for that is free to download, but  
functionally crippled without an existing account from them (login  
credentials unlock access to certain desirable features).

They sell their service online from their website (using wooCommerce),  
then their customers download the free app to enter their account  
credentials giving them access to the goodies. This sort of works as a  
DRM since the goodies can't be procured or shared outside of the app.   
End user is paying for a privilege, but that privilege is really only  
available from inside the app.

--Andrew Bell


> From: "Linda Miller, DVM" <1anmldr1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
> Message-ID: <836F8096-648B-417A-BD1B-BF39E7A015F5 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I used to create apps and ebooks years and years ago for PDAs.  The  
> only reason that I closed my business was Apple.  Let me explain.  I  
> would contract with authors of books to publish an electronic  
> version of their book. This was a new thing back then.  I also had a  
> website where I sold the apps and eBooks.  I would get about 15% of  
> the sale of every copy of books that I was publishing for Palm's and  
> Pocket PC's.
>
> Then came the iPhone and Apple's app store.  They charged 30% for  
> the sale of everything.  I was not making that much and I was the  
> creator of the apps and the publisher of the eBooks.  I could not  
> make it with those amounts.  There was a way around this that I  
> could see for the eBooks.
>
> SkyScape was a publisher of medical eBooks while mine were for  
> veterinarians.  They provided a free app.  The customer would  
> purchase eBooks on SkyScape's website. The customer would install  
> the app on their device through Apple's AppStore and then either on  
> their computer or their iPhone, they could go to SkyScape.com and  
> purchase a book. Within the app, they had instructions for how to  
> download their purchase. There was then a registration number  
> depending on the device's IMEI(??) number or something that was  
> specific to that customer.
>
> SkyScape did not have to pay Apple the 30%. They were selling the  
> eBooks outside of the Apple environment. I could have had a great  
> business and it would have continued to this day.  I spent a LOT of  
> time and money developing a similar app.  It was great.  It was  
> primarily an eBook reader but there were other functions in the app  
> as well.  It could read .txt, ePub, .pdf, HTML, and maybe others, I  
> don't remember.  The steps for purchasing, installing and  
> registering eBooks was similar to what SkyScape had done.
>
> No matter how many changes I made, Apple kept refusing the app  
> because I was selling the eBooks outside of their AppStore.
>
> SkyScape's business continues. Mine, I closed.  Our businesses were  
> not competitors.  I even sold a few of their products through my  
> website. I would buy a certain number at a discount and sell them at  
> the regular price to the customer.
>
> I never could figure out how to get around whatever it was that made  
> Apple not accept my free app on the AppStore and yet a similar  
> product they are allowing to this day.
>
> I need help in figuring this out.  I have found LiveCode that I can  
> use for development of apps on the different platforms.  I don't  
> have to learn Xcode again.  But, I need to try to decide what to  
> start developing.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> If you want to see the process, if I have not explained it well  
> enough, download the SkyScape app for Android or iOS to your device  
> (I have not done it recently).  There should be some free eBooks to  
> install either through the app or on their website.  This may give  
> you an idea.
>
> Linda






From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 17 17:40:20 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:40:20 +0000
Subject: Nesting Behaviors with Datagrids Bug
Message-ID: <26DADEDD-FA05-4830-99C5-98766A4EF046@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I just posted Bug 21427 - Cannot nest datagrid behavior on the QCC. It's a very simple stack demonstrating the problem. Maybe I do not understand what nested behaviors are, but if I do then so far as I can see they do not work with datagrid behaviors. 

Bob S




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jul 17 18:20:51 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 00:20:51 +0200
Subject: How to create a QR Code Version 14 (73x73modules)
Message-ID: <A6F20FB0-20C6-40C5-A16A-5AA8883E9DFC@m-r-d.de>

Hi.

My app needs to create qr codes. This is not a problem so far, as Splash21?s  qrCode library is now included in Livecode.

My problem is that i need to create qr Codes with exact version 14, which has a matrix size of 73 x 73. The customer needs exact that kind of code. The codes are scanned by a parcel service and the tech papers of the parcel service note exact those requirements.

As the  qrCode library in LC automatically decides according to the number and types of the characters, what version is used for creation, i am not sure if this is even possible. But is there a way to create just version 14 codes regardless of the number of character? Maybe with a modified library?

Regards,

Matthias




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 17 19:00:38 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:00:38 +0000
Subject: Property Inspector Development
Message-ID: <0A86F4AA-96EE-4822-AF50-46DE0D854DE3@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Since a lot of people felt pretty much the same way about the property inspector I thought I would have a go at it. I got so far as determining that the main control in the propery inspector pallet is a widget! Ok, if I can get into the widget I might be able to see what it does, and maybe contribute to the open source by submitting the changes. I suspect however, someone is going to tell me a widget is written in c. 

Bob S




From monte at appisle.net  Tue Jul 17 19:29:36 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:29:36 +1000
Subject: How to create a QR Code Version 14 (73x73modules)
In-Reply-To: <A6F20FB0-20C6-40C5-A16A-5AA8883E9DFC@m-r-d.de>
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Hi Matthias

This looks like a relatively easy patch to make. Probably adding min version and max version optional parameters which default to 1 and 40 then using those in the loop to find the min version at line 1525 of the script. Then you just use 14,14 for the parameters.

It would be great if you would open an enhancement report and if so inclined contribute the patch in case others hit the same requirement.

Cheers

Monte

> On 18 Jul 2018, at 8:20 am, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> My app needs to create qr codes. This is not a problem so far, as Splash21?s  qrCode library is now included in Livecode.
> 
> My problem is that i need to create qr Codes with exact version 14, which has a matrix size of 73 x 73. The customer needs exact that kind of code. The codes are scanned by a parcel service and the tech papers of the parcel service note exact those requirements.
> 
> As the  qrCode library in LC automatically decides according to the number and types of the characters, what version is used for creation, i am not sure if this is even possible. But is there a way to create just version 14 codes regardless of the number of character? Maybe with a modified library?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jul 17 20:13:19 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 02:13:19 +0200
Subject: How to create a QR Code Version 14 (73x73modules)
In-Reply-To: <814BB568-3AEE-4BD3-8BDF-F24F76F550CE@appisle.net>
References: <A6F20FB0-20C6-40C5-A16A-5AA8883E9DFC@m-r-d.de>
	<814BB568-3AEE-4BD3-8BDF-F24F76F550CE@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <EF2C9D2C-6DBF-4D68-AEAA-2F163A960563@m-r-d.de>

Monte,

you are my hero. :)

I?ve changed line 1486 to 
command qrCreate pImg, pData, pECC, pSize, pMask, pMinVersion, pMaxVersion

and changed the line 1525  from 
repeat with tVersion = 1 to 40
to
 if pMinVersion is empty then put 1 into pMinVersion
 if pMaxVersion is empty then put 40 into pMaxVersion
 repeat with tVersion = pMinVersion to pMaxVersion

It?s working! ! ! 

I will open an enhancement report tomorrow afternoon and will add my patch after i?ve added some additional code for error handling in case pMinVersion is greater than pMaxVersion or if pMaxVersion >40 and so on.

Thank you very much. 

Matthias


> Am 18.07.2018 um 01:29 schrieb Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Matthias
> 
> This looks like a relatively easy patch to make. Probably adding min version and max version optional parameters which default to 1 and 40 then using those in the loop to find the min version at line 1525 of the script. Then you just use 14,14 for the parameters.
> 
> It would be great if you would open an enhancement report and if so inclined contribute the patch in case others hit the same requirement.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 8:20 am, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> My app needs to create qr codes. This is not a problem so far, as Splash21?s  qrCode library is now included in Livecode.
>> 
>> My problem is that i need to create qr Codes with exact version 14, which has a matrix size of 73 x 73. The customer needs exact that kind of code. The codes are scanned by a parcel service and the tech papers of the parcel service note exact those requirements.
>> 
>> As the  qrCode library in LC automatically decides according to the number and types of the characters, what version is used for creation, i am not sure if this is even possible. But is there a way to create just version 14 codes regardless of the number of character? Maybe with a modified library?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 17 20:47:20 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 19:47:20 -0500
Subject: How to create a QR Code Version 14 (73x73modules)
In-Reply-To: <EF2C9D2C-6DBF-4D68-AEAA-2F163A960563@m-r-d.de>
References: <A6F20FB0-20C6-40C5-A16A-5AA8883E9DFC@m-r-d.de>
	<814BB568-3AEE-4BD3-8BDF-F24F76F550CE@appisle.net>
	<EF2C9D2C-6DBF-4D68-AEAA-2F163A960563@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <164aadb0dc0.2761.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

He's my hero too. He just fixed a JSON crasher that only happened on 
Android 6.x. Clever.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
On July 17, 2018 7:15:04 PM Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Monte,
>
> you are my hero. :)






From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Tue Jul 17 23:51:29 2018
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:51:29 +0000
Subject: Browser widget on iOS
Message-ID: <AD28FA0F-5FDB-4F49-B0EE-3D2D123435B3@unimelb.edu.au>

Hi - is there some magic for getting the browser widget to work on iOS?

Most of the time it displays nothing in either the simulator or on an actual device (the URL is definitely set) and when it does (not sure what gets the display to work in these situations), it doesn?t scroll and none of the links are active.

It works more reliably in the IDE (Mac) although it still fails to show any content sometimes.

I?m just trying to load a single URL and display the page so nothing fancy.

I?m using LC 8.2 DP2 at the moment but have tried 8.1.10 and 9.0.0 with similar results.

Any ideas?

Terry...

From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jul 18 00:13:57 2018
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 04:13:57 +0000
Subject: Browser widget on iOS
In-Reply-To: <AD28FA0F-5FDB-4F49-B0EE-3D2D123435B3@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <AD28FA0F-5FDB-4F49-B0EE-3D2D123435B3@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <DA335FE2-7FC8-4F9C-8CD0-3D434327EDAA@unimelb.edu.au>

OK ? looks like there is some interaction with other components on the card going on (iOS scrollers maybe?) that is stopping it displaying as a new browser object on a card without any scrollers seems to work just fine. I?ll poke around some more I guess.

Terry...

From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of Terry Judd via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Reply-To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Wednesday, 18 July 2018 1:52 pm
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Terry Judd <terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Browser widget on iOS

Hi - is there some magic for getting the browser widget to work on iOS?

Most of the time it displays nothing in either the simulator or on an actual device (the URL is definitely set) and when it does (not sure what gets the display to work in these situations), it doesn?t scroll and none of the links are active.

It works more reliably in the IDE (Mac) although it still fails to show any content sometimes.

I?m just trying to load a single URL and display the page so nothing fancy.

I?m using LC 8.2 DP2 at the moment but have tried 8.1.10 and 9.0.0 with similar results.

Any ideas?

Terry...
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From 1anmldr1 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 01:28:28 2018
From: 1anmldr1 at gmail.com (Linda Miller, DVM)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 00:28:28 -0500
Subject: Apple's 30%--anyway around it?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1531821602.21931.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531821602.21931.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
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This is close to what my original app would do and it was turned down by Apple (way back when).  However, the app was not crippled.  I offered a fair amount of free content and so it worked fine for those eBooks.  The free eBooks did not have a "registration" or verification process. It was a free app and they could download and read whatever I provided for free and they could also install documents of their own in the app through iTunes and "document sharing" or whatever it was called in iTunes. Documents like .epub, .pdf, html.

I am hoping that things have changes slightly at Apple then and I will go ahead with my plans.

Thanks everyone. I have some ideas now to work with.
Linda


> One method is to offer things for sale outside of things for sale to  
> the outside world that then unlock content in your app. I have a  
> client that a made an app for that is free to download, but  
> functionally crippled without an existing account from them (login  
> credentials unlock access to certain desirable features).
> 
> They sell their service online from their website (using wooCommerce),  
> then their customers download the free app to enter their account  
> credentials giving them access to the goodies. This sort of works as a  
> DRM since the goodies can't be procured or shared outside of the app.   
> End user is paying for a privilege, but that privilege is really only  
> available from inside the app.
> 
> --Andrew Bell






From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 03:37:41 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:37:41 +0100
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <18C07201-41AC-474E-BB3A-FE4F63D74BEF@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2163.1530045686.4609.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180703203422.Horde.XtS7WrzF12iezw-nlOdzeFE@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9ufxJqF5oP+NKjMhnhw=C1cfugN0oXVb9YaaSddes52g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANOMaqPg=rx4hHgUiYSZYD+mruXRP1TTj7zyCZ2A530F==oEHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq9qPO2LFnDVpS8pPMAjxYD_wKb0GwERt93C8+ZODhdiog@mail.gmail.com>
	<18C07201-41AC-474E-BB3A-FE4F63D74BEF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_-ZWp3NFwE4NTNfJ4w6xdPwQ-Rrqe6nMNf0911iLCubA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

iOS 12 beta 4 is out today. I will install it on our test device and have a
play tomorrow. If anyone tries it sooner, please post your results here :)

Best regards,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Beta 3 of iOS 12 came out today. Apps still crash.
>
>
> > On Jul 4, 2018, at 2:16 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the update @Colin
> >
> > For anyone interested, I just filed a bug report:
> >
> > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21396 <
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21396>
> >
> > Best,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
> > Skype also crashes. With Adobe AIR apps a current app crashes, but one
> from
> > four years ago doesn?t. Hopefully Apple will fix things.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:53 PM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Andrew,
> > >
> > > No we did not have a chance to look at it yet, but we are aware of the
> > > issue. I think I had filed a bug report a week ago, I'll double check
> and
> > > let you know.
> > >
> > > Best
> > > Panos
> > > --
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 21:34 Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Had my first customer complaint about the app not working on their
> > > > device running the iOS 12 beta. Luckily I was able to point to a blog
> > > > post about how Fortnite also crashes under iOS 12 and explained how
> > > > their development budget is WAY larger to buy some time ;)
> > > >
> > > > Has the mothership had a chance to investigate this and/or should I
> > > > submit a report to bugzilla?
> > > >
> > > > --Andrew Bell
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:45:42 +0100
> > > > > From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com <mailto:
> merakosp at gmail.com>>
> > > > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> > > > > Cc: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com <mailto:andrew@
> midwestcoastmedia.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
> > > > > Message-ID:
> > > > >       <
> > > > CA+JfEq8+1PtDYwsVsa0Xk6aSrdCQNrK8v+9XtBYod5UFdyVG-g at mail.gmail.com
> <mailto:CA%2BJfEq8%2B1PtDYwsVsa0Xk6aSrdCQNrK8v%
> 2B9XtBYod5UFdyVG-g at mail.gmail.com>>
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Andrew,
> > > > >
> > > > > oh what fun!
> > > > >
> > > > > I will install iOS 12 beta in one of our office devices and
> investigate
> > > > > tomorrow. After a quick google search it seems that other non-LC
> apps
> > > > crash
> > > > > on startup on iOS 12 beta, so probably Apple has changed something.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW what version of LC / MacOS/ Xcode did you use to build the
> > > > > standalone(s)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Panos
> > > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 04:14:14 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:14:14 +0100
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_-ZWp3NFwE4NTNfJ4w6xdPwQ-Rrqe6nMNf0911iLCubA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2163.1530045686.4609.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180703203422.Horde.XtS7WrzF12iezw-nlOdzeFE@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9ufxJqF5oP+NKjMhnhw=C1cfugN0oXVb9YaaSddes52g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANOMaqPg=rx4hHgUiYSZYD+mruXRP1TTj7zyCZ2A530F==oEHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq9qPO2LFnDVpS8pPMAjxYD_wKb0GwERt93C8+ZODhdiog@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9-ZbO8exFBJuovYsTQKQk4oqENJhCDNJw-Vpeow-Z9_w@mail.gmail.com>

BTW Fortnite app seems to have suffered from a similar problem on iOS 12,
and a user on Reddit said that this was fixed on iOS 12 beta 4. Fingers
crossed :)

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:37 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> iOS 12 beta 4 is out today. I will install it on our test device and have
> a play tomorrow. If anyone tries it sooner, please post your results here :)
>
> Best regards,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Beta 3 of iOS 12 came out today. Apps still crash.
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 4, 2018, at 2:16 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks for the update @Colin
>> >
>> > For anyone interested, I just filed a bug report:
>> >
>> > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21396 <
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21396>
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Panos
>> > --
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>> > Skype also crashes. With Adobe AIR apps a current app crashes, but one
>> from
>> > four years ago doesn?t. Hopefully Apple will fix things.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:53 PM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello Andrew,
>> > >
>> > > No we did not have a chance to look at it yet, but we are aware of the
>> > > issue. I think I had filed a bug report a week ago, I'll double check
>> and
>> > > let you know.
>> > >
>> > > Best
>> > > Panos
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 21:34 Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Had my first customer complaint about the app not working on their
>> > > > device running the iOS 12 beta. Luckily I was able to point to a
>> blog
>> > > > post about how Fortnite also crashes under iOS 12 and explained how
>> > > > their development budget is WAY larger to buy some time ;)
>> > > >
>> > > > Has the mothership had a chance to investigate this and/or should I
>> > > > submit a report to bugzilla?
>> > > >
>> > > > --Andrew Bell
>> > > >
>> > > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:45:42 +0100
>> > > > > From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com <mailto:
>> merakosp at gmail.com>>
>> > > > > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> > > > > Cc: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com <mailto:andrew at midwestcoastmed
>> ia.com>
>> > > > > Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
>> > > > > Message-ID:
>> > > > >       <
>> > > > CA+JfEq8+1PtDYwsVsa0Xk6aSrdCQNrK8v+9XtBYod5UFdyVG-g at mail.gmail.com
>> <mailto:CA%2BJfEq8%2B1PtDYwsVsa0Xk6aSrdCQNrK8v%2B9XtBYod5UFd
>> yVG-g at mail.gmail.com>>
>> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hi Andrew,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > oh what fun!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I will install iOS 12 beta in one of our office devices and
>> investigate
>> > > > > tomorrow. After a quick google search it seems that other non-LC
>> apps
>> > > > crash
>> > > > > on startup on iOS 12 beta, so probably Apple has changed
>> something.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > BTW what version of LC / MacOS/ Xcode did you use to build the
>> > > > > standalone(s)?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Best,
>> > > > > Panos
>> > > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > _______________________________________________
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 18 05:51:43 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:51:43 +0200
Subject: how to refresh LC IDE dictionary after i changed a api.lcdoc file?
Message-ID: <FC700325-D050-4292-879B-00D6C2172D3A@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

i changed some information in an api.lcdoc file of an extension. In my case i added some additional examples. Each new example with a leading  ?Example:? tag.  
How do i get that new information displayed in the dictionary. Even after a restart of LC i just see the old information, but not the updated one.
Do i have to refresh the dictionary cache or what ever in some way?

Regards,

Matthias




From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 06:21:02 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:21:02 +0100
Subject: how to refresh LC IDE dictionary after i changed a api.lcdoc file?
In-Reply-To: <FC700325-D050-4292-879B-00D6C2172D3A@m-r-d.de>
References: <FC700325-D050-4292-879B-00D6C2172D3A@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8xNpN93vEHJrkdKescJY_q3B96=04CetyR7tQGo1SNFA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Matthias,

Not sure if this will work, but try deleting the Documentation Cache folder
of the LC version you modified:

/Users/<username>/Library/Application Support/RunRev/Documentation Cache/ ..

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:51 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i changed some information in an api.lcdoc file of an extension. In my
> case i added some additional examples. Each new example with a leading
> ?Example:? tag.
> How do i get that new information displayed in the dictionary. Even after
> a restart of LC i just see the old information, but not the updated one.
> Do i have to refresh the dictionary cache or what ever in some way?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 18 08:07:11 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 14:07:11 +0200
Subject: How to create a QR Code Version 14 (73x73modules)
In-Reply-To: <EF2C9D2C-6DBF-4D68-AEAA-2F163A960563@m-r-d.de>
References: <A6F20FB0-20C6-40C5-A16A-5AA8883E9DFC@m-r-d.de>
	<814BB568-3AEE-4BD3-8BDF-F24F76F550CE@appisle.net>
	<EF2C9D2C-6DBF-4D68-AEAA-2F163A960563@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <402621C8-B349-403D-8250-37B15F1BEBB1@m-r-d.de>

I?ve filed an enhancement request now <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21428> and attached the patched library file and an updated api.lcdoc  with 2 additional examples to the request.


Matthias




> Am 18.07.2018 um 02:13 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Monte,
> 
> you are my hero. :)
> 
> I?ve changed line 1486 to 
> command qrCreate pImg, pData, pECC, pSize, pMask, pMinVersion, pMaxVersion
> 
> and changed the line 1525  from 
> repeat with tVersion = 1 to 40
> to
> if pMinVersion is empty then put 1 into pMinVersion
> if pMaxVersion is empty then put 40 into pMaxVersion
> repeat with tVersion = pMinVersion to pMaxVersion
> 
> It?s working! ! ! 
> 
> I will open an enhancement report tomorrow afternoon and will add my patch after i?ve added some additional code for error handling in case pMinVersion is greater than pMaxVersion or if pMaxVersion >40 and so on.
> 
> Thank you very much. 
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 18.07.2018 um 01:29 schrieb Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi Matthias
>> 
>> This looks like a relatively easy patch to make. Probably adding min version and max version optional parameters which default to 1 and 40 then using those in the loop to find the min version at line 1525 of the script. Then you just use 14,14 for the parameters.
>> 
>> It would be great if you would open an enhancement report and if so inclined contribute the patch in case others hit the same requirement.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Monte
>> 
>>> On 18 Jul 2018, at 8:20 am, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> My app needs to create qr codes. This is not a problem so far, as Splash21?s  qrCode library is now included in Livecode.
>>> 
>>> My problem is that i need to create qr Codes with exact version 14, which has a matrix size of 73 x 73. The customer needs exact that kind of code. The codes are scanned by a parcel service and the tech papers of the parcel service note exact those requirements.
>>> 
>>> As the  qrCode library in LC automatically decides according to the number and types of the characters, what version is used for creation, i am not sure if this is even possible. But is there a way to create just version 14 codes regardless of the number of character? Maybe with a modified library?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Wed Jul 18 10:32:38 2018
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:32:38 -0400
Subject: TextAlign not working in fields
Message-ID: <ae84176b-2459-3201-0005-44cd78236554@researchware.com>

LC Community:

I filed a bug yesterday: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21426

This seems to me to be a pretty serious bug, however, Panos enlightened
me that there is a nearly identical bug from 2013 (see
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11345). This bug - namely
if you have a long line of text in a field, whether wrap is on or off,
scrolling does not work as expected when the text is center or right
aligned. You can not scroll to see all the text. It is rendered outside
the boundaries of the scrollable areas of the field!

This bug has apparently been present since at least version 6.7.11 and
perhaps earlier and yet is still present in LiveCode 9.

Without starting a general thread on how good or not good LiveCode is at
fixing bugs (personally I think they do a fine job with limited
resources), I am asking whether others have run into these bugs and what
you may have done for a work-around?

In my specific case, we are creating a "frequency" cloud (or work cloud)
where certain words/phrases are shown in larger text relative to how
offten they occur. This looks best when the text is one long lone,
wrapped and centered. If you look at the sample stack for bug 21426 with
the text centered (there is a button for that) and resize large so all
the text fits, you'll see what it (should) look like.

Does any one else need this bug fixed?





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 18 10:59:36 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 14:59:36 +0000
Subject: How to create a QR Code Version 14 (73x73modules)
In-Reply-To: <164aadb0dc0.2761.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <A6F20FB0-20C6-40C5-A16A-5AA8883E9DFC@m-r-d.de>
	<814BB568-3AEE-4BD3-8BDF-F24F76F550CE@appisle.net>
	<EF2C9D2C-6DBF-4D68-AEAA-2F163A960563@m-r-d.de>
	<164aadb0dc0.2761.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <FA6C9A19-DEF1-4868-896C-1CF4E3F200D4@iotecdigital.com>

And the Brits thought THEY were the clever ones! 

Bob S


> On Jul 17, 2018, at 17:47 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> He's my hero too. He just fixed a JSON crasher that only happened on Android 6.x. Clever.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Wed Jul 18 13:28:37 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 17:28:37 +0000
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility (panagiotis merakos)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1531908002.14118.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20180718172837.Horde.hcV4yaGaH2d0ac86VvDRiAo@ua850258.serversignin.com>

Based on the fact that my apps are still crashing on load in iOS 12  
beta 4 (16A5327f) I can only assume that Fortnite was NOT written in  
Livecode ;)

--Andrew Bell


> From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
> Message-ID:
> 	<CA+JfEq9-ZbO8exFBJuovYsTQKQk4oqENJhCDNJw-Vpeow-Z9_w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> BTW Fortnite app seems to have suffered from a similar problem on iOS 12,
> and a user on Reddit said that this was fixed on iOS 12 beta 4. Fingers
> crossed :)
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:37 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> iOS 12 beta 4 is out today. I will install it on our test device and have
>> a play tomorrow. If anyone tries it sooner, please post your results here :)
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Panos
>> --




From dunbarx at aol.com  Wed Jul 18 14:13:27 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarxx)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 13:13:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: TextAlign not working in fields
In-Reply-To: <ae84176b-2459-3201-0005-44cd78236554@researchware.com>
References: <ae84176b-2459-3201-0005-44cd78236554@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <1531937607638-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi.

I made a field with lots of long lines of text in it. I set the align all
over the place. Both vertical and horizontal scrolling seem to work smoothly
all the way from beginning to end.

I read the bug report. Can you give an explicit recipe?

Mac OS 10.13  LC 8.1.9

Craig Newman



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From tom at makeshyft.com  Wed Jul 18 15:07:51 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 15:07:51 -0400
Subject: TextAlign not working in fields
In-Reply-To: <1531937607638-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <ae84176b-2459-3201-0005-44cd78236554@researchware.com>
	<1531937607638-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+4J+Es75RdWx_qTGKr5F_qn9zhTFCb-7CiqpxU05znDQ@mail.gmail.com>

i tested the sample stack and it seemed to work fine in 9 ...alignment
worked as expected. win 10 / lc 9.0... hope it gets fixed soon seems like a
major one for some people.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 2:13 PM, dunbarxx via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I made a field with lots of long lines of text in it. I set the align all
> over the place. Both vertical and horizontal scrolling seem to work
> smoothly
> all the way from beginning to end.
>
> I read the bug report. Can you give an explicit recipe?
>
> Mac OS 10.13  LC 8.1.9
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
> Revolution-User-f278306.html
>
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From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Jul 18 18:49:19 2018
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:49:19 +0000
Subject: TextAlign not working in fields
Message-ID: <E11CE478-126A-46C1-8686-6CC7289550A5@uni-wh.de>

Hi Paul,

I hope that Edinburgh will fix the problem.

In the meantime you could try this workaround for your sample stack from QCC.

make a button with this script and use it whenever you change  textAlign or width of field "Cloud"

Here I assume you are using margins of 8.

-----------------------------------------------
on mouseUp
   lock screen
   set the margins of field "Cloud" to 8
   set the hScroll of field "Cloud" to 0
   put the left of field "Cloud" into tLeft
   put the leftMargin of field "Cloud" into tLeftM
   put the formattedRect of line 1 to -1 of field "Cloud" into tRect
   if item 1 of tRect < tLeft + tLeftM then
      subtract tLeft from item 1 of tRect
      set the leftMargin of field "Cloud" to item 1 of tRect * -1 + tLeftM * 2
      set the rightMargin of field "Cloud" to item 1 of tRect
   end if
   unlock screen
end mouseUp
-----------------------------------------------

I know it sounds weird but it worked for your sample stack.

Kind regards
Bernd


Paul Dupuis wrote:

I filed a bug yesterday: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21426

This seems to me to be a pretty serious bug, however, Panos enlightened
me that there is a nearly identical bug from 2013 (see
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11345). This bug - namely
if you have a long line of text in a field, whether wrap is on or off,
scrolling does not work as expected when the text is center or right
aligned. You can not scroll to see all the text. It is rendered outside
the boundaries of the scrollable areas of the field!



From tom at makeshyft.com  Wed Jul 18 20:10:57 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 20:10:57 -0400
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <B2672540-4779-473E-9566-E6EB6ABF75E0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B2672540-4779-473E-9566-E6EB6ABF75E0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJy636JZdAT=D4y=nv9jaHt5WveTop8pcrSMFh=3Ocdhg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bob, If you really wanna make things interesting ..... try putting a
grid inside a grid..... lol..... it almost works.  Which means to me that
"self referencing" is imperfect in the grid library.  that might pertain to
the problems you experience ....and without the ability to debug the grid
library...its tough going.  But i think I have learned that sometimes when
i find i can't just get something right....i end up finding a way easier
way later..hope thats the case for you,

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I'm finally taking the plunge with nested behaviors with datagrids.
> Essentially, I have a button named "modulegrids" whose behavior is set to
> stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior" (the new
> default behavior of a datagrid). I then set the behavior of a datagrid to
> the long id of that button. The behaviors are triggering alright, but
> selectionChanged is not *actually" changing the selection, and calls to the
> library such as the dgHiliedIndex of the datagrid return empty.
>
> So my question is, can behaviors be nested for datagrids?
>
> Bob S
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jul 19 01:17:06 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:17:06 -0700
Subject: android heads up
Message-ID: <586c700e-4a83-1c1a-d4c8-be9f8d9a54e9@sonic.net>

FYI:

I just got notice in another usegroup that Google has restricted the use 
of "android" as part of the package name. If you are using the "android" 
as part of your package name or thinking about it for an new app, you 
probably want to change it now.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul 19 01:28:56 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:28:56 -0700
Subject: android heads up
In-Reply-To: <586c700e-4a83-1c1a-d4c8-be9f8d9a54e9@sonic.net>
References: <586c700e-4a83-1c1a-d4c8-be9f8d9a54e9@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <35be2b97-7f97-b113-8adb-616818ee5cde@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

 > I just got notice in another usegroup that Google has restricted the
 > use of "android" as part of the package name. If you are using the
 > "android" as part of your package name or thinking about it for an new
 > app, you probably want to change it now.

Damn!  I was about to launch my new malware app, "Android OS Update".

I guess I'll have to figure out some other nefarious plan to take over 
the world....

;)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jul 19 02:28:14 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 23:28:14 -0700
Subject: android heads up
In-Reply-To: <35be2b97-7f97-b113-8adb-616818ee5cde@fourthworld.com>
References: <586c700e-4a83-1c1a-d4c8-be9f8d9a54e9@sonic.net>
	<35be2b97-7f97-b113-8adb-616818ee5cde@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <d84df407-a3ac-9f55-51db-e8fcc4a33bd5@sonic.net>

On 07/18/2018 10:28 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

> Damn!? I was about to launch my new malware app, "Android OS Update".
> 
> I guess I'll have to figure out some other nefarious plan to take over 
> the world....
> 
> ;)
> 

I'm sure you'll think of something. <g>

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From keith.clarke at me.com  Thu Jul 19 03:01:41 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:01:41 +0100
Subject: LiveCode server IDE - the current state of the art?
Message-ID: <4980E5F5-51EE-45E3-8A88-7884467AC4BA@me.com>

Hi folks,
I?m attempting to engage with LiveCode Server after a couple of years since I last played - when the approach was to roll your own IDE (i.e. pick a text editor) and optionally use the RevIgnitor framework.

I?d be obliged if anyone could please update me on the current state of the art and share their personal tool-belt preference (target environment is a Linux VPS).
Thanks & regards
Keith 


From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 04:51:46 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:51:46 +0100
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility (panagiotis merakos)
In-Reply-To: <20180718172837.Horde.hcV4yaGaH2d0ac86VvDRiAo@ua850258.serversignin.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531908002.14118.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180718172837.Horde.hcV4yaGaH2d0ac86VvDRiAo@ua850258.serversignin.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq__BcHc7ggT0xyTsPfeuVMDE2r-NoPouACCFG1cBrYa-A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andrew. I just upgraded the test device to iOS 12 beta 4 and I
confirm apps still crash on startup. Sigh :(

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Based on the fact that my apps are still crashing on load in iOS 12 beta 4
> (16A5327f) I can only assume that Fortnite was NOT written in Livecode ;)
>
> --Andrew Bell
>
>
> From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
>> Message-ID:
>>         <CA+JfEq9-ZbO8exFBJuovYsTQKQk4oqENJhCDNJw-Vpeow-Z9_w at mail.
>> gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> BTW Fortnite app seems to have suffered from a similar problem on iOS 12,
>> and a user on Reddit said that this was fixed on iOS 12 beta 4. Fingers
>> crossed :)
>>
>> Best,
>> Panos
>> --
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:37 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> iOS 12 beta 4 is out today. I will install it on our test device and have
>>> a play tomorrow. If anyone tries it sooner, please post your results
>>> here :)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>>
>>
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Jul 19 07:55:07 2018
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:55:07 +0100
Subject: LiveCode server IDE - the current state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <4980E5F5-51EE-45E3-8A88-7884467AC4BA@me.com>
References: <4980E5F5-51EE-45E3-8A88-7884467AC4BA@me.com>
Message-ID: <c79f2054-5cc3-5f8c-1f95-2819e9fedfcb@tweedly.net>

I have no idea if this is state of the art or not :-) - but here's what 
I do ...


Short answer : the Livecode IDE plus an FTP client (Filezilla).

Longer answer :

99% of what I write for the LC server is standard LC - scriptonly 
stacks, used as library stacks.

I have about 20 lines of LCS - just enough to look around and "start 
using" the relevant librarystacks, and then invoke the top-level 
handler. (This is actually in a revIgniter controller because I use 
revIgniter, but the same thing would work even if I didn't).

This lets me develop and test most of it in a convenient environment 
(the IDE, on my own laptop). I keep a copy of the scripts locally, along 
with enough of the database to do testing. I have a small "test-harness" 
app that lets me set parameters as though from the URL.

All output is done through my own handlers - which then either output on 
LC Server, or output to log/status/output fields and a browser widget in 
the test app. All DB access is done through a shim layer which uses 
Andre's DBLib + sqlite on the laptop and revIgniter's DB Lib + MySQL on 
the server.

I don't use revIgniter's "Views" - I have my own library which provides 
the equivalent functionality in a way that lets me give website 
maintainers access to it, without giving them access to anything within 
revIgniter's 'system' folder.? (This also lets me test on the IDE).

I have a variety of ancillary files which I edit with other editors 
(currently trying out Atom for small changes, but falling back to emacs 
when there are larger or complex changes to do).

Only problem I've run into with this approach is that sometimes I will 
edit and test a file (or a number of files)? locally, and forget to 
upload one or some :-(? So I have a small 'sync' app which runs on the 
laptop, and uses a LC Server script on the website, to flag up any 
differences in the 'should be identical' files.

Alex.



On 19/07/2018 08:01, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I?m attempting to engage with LiveCode Server after a couple of years since I last played - when the approach was to roll your own IDE (i.e. pick a text editor) and optionally use the RevIgnitor framework.
>
> I?d be obliged if anyone could please update me on the current state of the art and share their personal tool-belt preference (target environment is a Linux VPS).
> Thanks & regards
> Keith
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 19 10:38:39 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:38:39 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJy636JZdAT=D4y=nv9jaHt5WveTop8pcrSMFh=3Ocdhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2672540-4779-473E-9566-E6EB6ABF75E0@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAPzQJLJy636JZdAT=D4y=nv9jaHt5WveTop8pcrSMFh=3Ocdhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F5D213-1114-42C5-9E1F-FE3B9A3B1CE8@iotecdigital.com>

Hi Tom. 

I usually find a way around things myself, but in this case, not. I have a main form, where all the datagrids behave the same way on doubleMouseUp, selectionChanged etc. I then have what I call subForms (substacks that detail a given table and it's dependent tables like devices and accessories for example) that behave in a different way, but all subForm datagrids have the same behavior, different from the main form. 

I was hoping to be able to insert a special behavior between the datagrids and the default behaviors. I also tried what apparently used to work, copying the datagrid behavior to a button then setting the datagrid behavior to the new button. That also does not work. 

Bob S


> On Jul 18, 2018, at 17:10 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob, If you really wanna make things interesting ..... try putting a
> grid inside a grid..... lol..... it almost works.  Which means to me that
> "self referencing" is imperfect in the grid library.  that might pertain to
> the problems you experience ....and without the ability to debug the grid
> library...its tough going.  But i think I have learned that sometimes when
> i find i can't just get something right....i end up finding a way easier
> way later..hope thats the case for you,




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 19 10:39:42 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 14:39:42 +0000
Subject: android heads up
In-Reply-To: <35be2b97-7f97-b113-8adb-616818ee5cde@fourthworld.com>
References: <586c700e-4a83-1c1a-d4c8-be9f8d9a54e9@sonic.net>
	<35be2b97-7f97-b113-8adb-616818ee5cde@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D2FA586A-E600-4068-B7E1-CF34CFE866D0@iotecdigital.com>

What, the one we were beta testing?????

Bob S


> On Jul 18, 2018, at 22:28 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
> > I just got notice in another usegroup that Google has restricted the
> > use of "android" as part of the package name. If you are using the
> > "android" as part of your package name or thinking about it for an new
> > app, you probably want to change it now.
> 
> Damn!  I was about to launch my new malware app, "Android OS Update".
> 
> I guess I'll have to figure out some other nefarious plan to take over the world....
> 
> ;)
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 19 10:41:39 2018
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 10:41:39 -0400
Subject: TextAlign not working in fields
In-Reply-To: <E11CE478-126A-46C1-8686-6CC7289550A5@uni-wh.de>
References: <E11CE478-126A-46C1-8686-6CC7289550A5@uni-wh.de>
Message-ID: <4abb2db3-e8a6-a801-e0b1-c6bc04345096@researchware.com>

Bernd,

Thank you.

For others following this thread, this fix works!


On 7/18/2018 6:49 PM, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> I hope that Edinburgh will fix the problem.
>
> In the meantime you could try this workaround for your sample stack from QCC.
>
> make a button with this script and use it whenever you change  textAlign or width of field "Cloud"
>
> Here I assume you are using margins of 8.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> on mouseUp
>    lock screen
>    set the margins of field "Cloud" to 8
>    set the hScroll of field "Cloud" to 0
>    put the left of field "Cloud" into tLeft
>    put the leftMargin of field "Cloud" into tLeftM
>    put the formattedRect of line 1 to -1 of field "Cloud" into tRect
>    if item 1 of tRect < tLeft + tLeftM then
>       subtract tLeft from item 1 of tRect
>       set the leftMargin of field "Cloud" to item 1 of tRect * -1 + tLeftM * 2
>       set the rightMargin of field "Cloud" to item 1 of tRect
>    end if
>    unlock screen
> end mouseUp
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> I know it sounds weird but it worked for your sample stack.
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
> Paul Dupuis wrote:
>
> I filed a bug yesterday: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21426
>
> This seems to me to be a pretty serious bug, however, Panos enlightened
> me that there is a nearly identical bug from 2013 (see
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11345). This bug - namely
> if you have a long line of text in a field, whether wrap is on or off,
> scrolling does not work as expected when the text is center or right
> aligned. You can not scroll to see all the text. It is rendered outside
> the boundaries of the scrollable areas of the field!
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 19 11:00:49 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 15:00:49 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <45F5D213-1114-42C5-9E1F-FE3B9A3B1CE8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B2672540-4779-473E-9566-E6EB6ABF75E0@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAPzQJLJy636JZdAT=D4y=nv9jaHt5WveTop8pcrSMFh=3Ocdhg@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F5D213-1114-42C5-9E1F-FE3B9A3B1CE8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <672E58AA-E449-40EF-AF32-4E60B0AA74BE@iotecdigital.com>

Actually Tom, I think I figured out a way around this. I've already put my stack scripts for the subModules into behaviors. By adding a selectionChanged handler in that behavior and checking to see if the dgControl of the target is empty, I can pass selectionChanged for fields and handle it for datagrids. Word 5 to -1 of the dgControl is the long id of the datagrid. 

The only bugaboo will be when I send selectionChanged. The target will not be a control of the datagrid, but I can work that out easily enough. 

Thanks for kicking my mind in the butt. 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2018, at 07:38 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tom. 
> 
> I usually find a way around things myself, but in this case, not. I have a main form, where all the datagrids behave the same way on doubleMouseUp, selectionChanged etc. I then have what I call subForms (substacks that detail a given table and it's dependent tables like devices and accessories for example) that behave in a different way, but all subForm datagrids have the same behavior, different from the main form. 
> 
> I was hoping to be able to insert a special behavior between the datagrids and the default behaviors. I also tried what apparently used to work, copying the datagrid behavior to a button then setting the datagrid behavior to the new button. That also does not work. 
> 
> Bob S




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 19 11:09:06 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 15:09:06 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <672E58AA-E449-40EF-AF32-4E60B0AA74BE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B2672540-4779-473E-9566-E6EB6ABF75E0@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAPzQJLJy636JZdAT=D4y=nv9jaHt5WveTop8pcrSMFh=3Ocdhg@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F5D213-1114-42C5-9E1F-FE3B9A3B1CE8@iotecdigital.com>
	<672E58AA-E449-40EF-AF32-4E60B0AA74BE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C70AB661-57AB-4C44-8F1D-2681CE9FA18D@iotecdigital.com>

Correction the target is still the datagrid. I thought for some reason the target would be the sender. 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2018, at 08:00 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The only bugaboo will be when I send selectionChanged. The target will not be a control of the datagrid, but I can work that out easily enough. 




From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 19 11:58:50 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:58:50 +0200
Subject: line 1 of the volumes
Message-ID: <E9501BC9-EB68-478E-80FC-06F46F572EB2@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

this came up in the forum: Can we rely on the fact that 
-> line 1 of the volumes
is always the BOOT volume?

Thanks in advance!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Jul 19 12:05:19 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:05:19 -0400
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <C70AB661-57AB-4C44-8F1D-2681CE9FA18D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B2672540-4779-473E-9566-E6EB6ABF75E0@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAPzQJLJy636JZdAT=D4y=nv9jaHt5WveTop8pcrSMFh=3Ocdhg@mail.gmail.com>
	<45F5D213-1114-42C5-9E1F-FE3B9A3B1CE8@iotecdigital.com>
	<672E58AA-E449-40EF-AF32-4E60B0AA74BE@iotecdigital.com>
	<C70AB661-57AB-4C44-8F1D-2681CE9FA18D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJL+Xr72pZ_sPLQ6-1P87Ep05JzTCmeAdhDTQqTbgs9jYSA@mail.gmail.com>

One of the many reasons I love livecode...control references and message
path work so well together ... giving us endless variety of approaches to
any task.  nice job. see ya bob

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Correction the target is still the datagrid. I thought for some reason the
> target would be the sender.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 19, 2018, at 08:00 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > The only bugaboo will be when I send selectionChanged. The target will
> not be a control of the datagrid, but I can work that out easily enough.
>
>
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From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Jul 19 13:35:27 2018
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:35:27 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1531994402.23756.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531994402.23756.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <586D8555-9A5F-4D05-8CC3-12EFB435F2D8@uni-wh.de>

Bob,

if you want to use a a behavior for the datagrids make a button with 

on mouseDoubleUp
   put the long name of the target
end mouseDoubleUp

and then set the behavior of your datagrids like this

set the behavior of the behavior of the behavior of group "datagrid 1" to the long id of button "myButtonName"


this will put the "new" behavior at the top of the two behaviors of the datagrid group. Obviously that will not work with editable fields.

Kind regards
Bernd


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jul 19 13:37:12 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 19:37:12 +0200
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
Message-ID: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

at the moment i am using a special barcode font ?2of5interleaved? to draw/create a Code25/2of5interleaved  barcode. 
The code itself is calcualted by script and then displayed using that barcode font

The font only has 4 characters  2 black bars (1one them is twice the width of the other) and 2 blank bars(also 1 twice the width of the other)
When printed, the smaller bars should have a width of at least  0,5mm  and the wider one at least 1mm. 

How would i create the bars? Should i use vertical lines or SVGs?
Did anyone have done something similar already?

Regards,
Matthias


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Thu Jul 19 14:13:37 2018
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 18:13:37 +0000
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
Message-ID: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>

Hello!

Using LC 9.0.1 (rc1), on android only, if I have acceleratedRendering on, the effect is not applied when doing this:

lock screen for visual effect
 //do something
unlock screen with visual effect wipe left //any effect fails

However, if acceleratedRendering is off, the visual effect is applied.

Any thoughts?


-Dan


From dunbarx at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 16:30:14 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarxx)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 15:30:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi.

Curious.

So you are creating your own barcode, er, code? That is, you are, say,
making three thin lines with thin spaces, and then three thick lines with
thick spaces, and storing that pattern somewhere?

And then you read that pattern and look up what it refers to?

Craig



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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 19 16:44:44 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 20:44:44 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <586D8555-9A5F-4D05-8CC3-12EFB435F2D8@uni-wh.de>
References: <mailman.1.1531994402.23756.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<586D8555-9A5F-4D05-8CC3-12EFB435F2D8@uni-wh.de>
Message-ID: <F899ACE9-F7C7-4888-84BB-4EDAFE5884FD@iotecdigital.com>

Bernd, you are a genius. I apparently have the heirarchy of behaviors backwards. I would have thought that this would set the behavior of ALL datagrids to include the button script. That of course would be disasterous. 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2018, at 10:35 , Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> if you want to use a a behavior for the datagrids make a button with 
> 
> on mouseDoubleUp
>   put the long name of the target
> end mouseDoubleUp
> 
> and then set the behavior of your datagrids like this
> 
> set the behavior of the behavior of the behavior of group "datagrid 1" to the long id of button "myButtonName"
> 
> 
> this will put the "new" behavior at the top of the two behaviors of the datagrid group. Obviously that will not work with editable fields.
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 19 17:00:41 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 21:00:41 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <F899ACE9-F7C7-4888-84BB-4EDAFE5884FD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531994402.23756.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<586D8555-9A5F-4D05-8CC3-12EFB435F2D8@uni-wh.de>
	<F899ACE9-F7C7-4888-84BB-4EDAFE5884FD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <53A62F28-21A2-446C-8A8A-CECE7DCD7F7E@iotecdigital.com>

Come to think of it, this IS backwards, but it works. 

The behavior of group datagrid 1 is by default button id 1005 of stack "revDataGridLibrary"
the behavior of button id 1005 of stack "revDataGridLibrary" is stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"

so what your statement *should* be doing is setting the behavior of stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior" to a button in another stack! That is WAAAY convoluted, that it actually inserts the behavior at the TOP of the message path. 

What I did (which actually makes a LOT more sense) is I set the behavior of the button to the behavior of the datagrid, then I set the behavior of the datagrid to the long id of the button. That broke it. 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2018, at 13:44 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bernd, you are a genius. I apparently have the heirarchy of behaviors backwards. I would have thought that this would set the behavior of ALL datagrids to include the button script. That of course would be disasterous. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> set the behavior of the behavior of the behavior of group "datagrid 1" to the long id of button "myButtonName"
>> 
>> 
>> this will put the "new" behavior at the top of the two behaviors of the datagrid group. Obviously that will not work with editable fields.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Bernd




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jul 19 18:06:50 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 00:06:50 +0200
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>

Currently i am using a special 2of5i barcode font. The font .has only four characters (bars) in its set.
The code displays a
narrow space (blank) bar when the character is n
narrow black bar when N 
wide space when w 
wide black bar when W 

The code can only display a pair number of digits. You cannot display a number with 23 digits.
So to display the number  590848500010000294926452
i have to enter the followingNnNnWnNwWnNwNnNwNnWnWwNnNwNnWnNwWnWnNnWwNwNnNnNnWwWwNnWnNnNwNwWnNnNnWwWwNnNnNwWnWnNwNnWnNwWnNwNnWwNnWnNwNnWnWwNnNwWnNwWnNnNwWnN
into the field.  There is a special algorithm how to calculate the correct combination of the different bars, but that is not my problem.

 What i want is to draw the code myself without using the  font.  So that?s why i asked if someone already has done this.

Btw: the code for calculation the code looks like this, i case someone is interested

function createBarcode tBarcode

if the number of chars of tBarcode is not 24

then

answer error "Fehler beim Erzeugen des Barcodes"

exit to top

end if

put "NNWWN" into t0

put "WNNNW" into t1

put "NWNNW" into t2

put "WWNNN" into t3

put "NNWNW" into t4

put "WNWNN" into t5

put "NWWNN" into t6

put "NNNWW" into t7

put "WNNWN" into t8

put "NWNWN" into t9

put "" into tNewBarcode

repeat with i = 1 to 23 step 2

put char i to (i+1) of tBarcode into tPair

replace 1 with t1 in tPair

replace 2 with t2 in tPair

replace 3 with t3 in tPAir

replace 4 with t4 in tPair

replace 5 with t5 in tPair

replace 6 with t6 in tPair

replace 7 with t7 in tPair

replace 8 with t8 in tPair

replace 9 with t9 in tPair

replace 0 with t0 in tPair

put char 1 to 5 of tPair & toLower(char 6 to 10 of tPAir) into tPair

put "" into tNewPAir

repeat with j = 1 to 5

put char j of tPair &char j+5 of tPair after tNewPair

end repeat

put tnewPair after tNewBarcode

end repeat

return tNewBarcode
end createBarcode


Regards,

Matthias


> Am 19.07.2018 um 22:30 schrieb dunbarxx via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Curious.
> 
> So you are creating your own barcode, er, code? That is, you are, say,
> making three thin lines with thin spaces, and then three thick lines with
> thick spaces, and storing that pattern somewhere?
> 
> And then you read that pattern and look up what it refers to?
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 19 18:29:54 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 22:29:54 +0000
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>

I think the trick will be drawing large graphics one at a time and properly spaced at several times their finished size, perhaps off screen, then getting a snapshot of the result and scaling it down. Not sure how picky the readers will be. 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2018, at 15:06 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Currently i am using a special 2of5i barcode font. The font .has only four characters (bars) in its set.
> The code displays a
> narrow space (blank) bar when the character is n
> narrow black bar when N 
> wide space when w 
> wide black bar when W 




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul 19 18:44:43 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 15:44:43 -0700
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <53A62F28-21A2-446C-8A8A-CECE7DCD7F7E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <53A62F28-21A2-446C-8A8A-CECE7DCD7F7E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0106577c-cb2a-00f4-eb57-abb82ebee21a@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:
 > What I did (which actually makes a LOT more sense) is I set the
 > behavior of the button to the behavior of the datagrid, then I set the
 > behavior of the datagrid to the long id of the button. That broke it.

Your way sounds better to me.

If I understand correctly, what you're doing is:

      [ DataGrid ]
           |
           V
   [ Custom Behavior ]
           |
           V
[ Standard DB Behavior ]

That seems best, because it allows you control over the scope of your 
custom behavior.

If the last two were swapped then all DGs would inherit whatever's in 
your custom script.

Why didn't that work?  Did you pass all relevant messages?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 19 18:48:52 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 22:48:52 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <0106577c-cb2a-00f4-eb57-abb82ebee21a@fourthworld.com>
References: <53A62F28-21A2-446C-8A8A-CECE7DCD7F7E@iotecdigital.com>
	<0106577c-cb2a-00f4-eb57-abb82ebee21a@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0B90C6AC-37E6-46E0-B7A5-4FB500EA7973@iotecdigital.com>

I have been thinking about it, and if you accept that when you set a behavior it's like inserting the script of the behavior object in front of the target (or by your diagram on TOP of the target). So syntactically, it's the complete opposite of what *actually* happens, but in terms of the message path, it's correct. 

When I attempted to do this the way I suggested, the datagrid "broke" that is nothing about the datagrid functioned as such. Clicking a row did not halite the row. SelectionChanged was never sent when clicking any populated row. 

By doing it the way Bernd suggested, it worked as expected. I think there was some discussion about this when nested behaviors first came out. 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2018, at 15:44 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > What I did (which actually makes a LOT more sense) is I set the
> > behavior of the button to the behavior of the datagrid, then I set the
> > behavior of the datagrid to the long id of the button. That broke it.
> 
> Your way sounds better to me.
> 
> If I understand correctly, what you're doing is:
> 
>     [ DataGrid ]
>          |
>          V
>  [ Custom Behavior ]
>          |
>          V
> [ Standard DB Behavior ]
> 
> That seems best, because it allows you control over the scope of your custom behavior.
> 
> If the last two were swapped then all DGs would inherit whatever's in your custom script.
> 
> Why didn't that work?  Did you pass all relevant messages?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 19 18:58:16 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 22:58:16 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <0B90C6AC-37E6-46E0-B7A5-4FB500EA7973@iotecdigital.com>
References: <53A62F28-21A2-446C-8A8A-CECE7DCD7F7E@iotecdigital.com>
	<0106577c-cb2a-00f4-eb57-abb82ebee21a@fourthworld.com>
	<0B90C6AC-37E6-46E0-B7A5-4FB500EA7973@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <82686C55-403C-493F-8F7E-1056F1E34A65@iotecdigital.com>

Just one more note: I think this syntax would have been preferrable:

insert the script of button "myButton" {in front of | before} group "myDatagrid". 

The parser would have to determine what the object was that was already in front of the datagrid, if there was any, and "plug in" the new bahavior between them. That would mean however that the behaviors for all objects would have to be saved with each object, but I suspect it has to do that now. Another forseeable advantage is that you could possibly have the ability to insert a script BEHIND an object as well, effectively having object based front and back scripts. 

Not sure how handy this would be, but the syntax at least would be understandable. 

Bob S




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jul 19 18:59:59 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 00:59:59 +0200
Subject: Property Inspector, Text Formatting, Text style ->Plain Button?
Message-ID: <0ED68183-605F-452E-9952-B71DB313E2F8@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

just noticed again that in the property inspector under text formating there is not the ?plain? button/icon anymore to set the text to plain. In LC 6 this button is still there.

Is this a bug or are there reasons why this button is not there anymore?

What do you think?

Regards,

Matthias




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 19:01:06 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 17:01:06 -0600
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if it will work for your purpose, but as a test I created for
graphic lines, 1 narrow black, 1 wider black, duplicated them and set the
blendlevel of the copies so that they're transparent.

Grcs are named narrowB, wideB, narrowC and wideC (b for black, c for clear)

Then used the following code (and your example string from above with the
WWnNw stuff) to generate a barcode.

on mouseup
   put empty into tLast
   put field 1 into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
   set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
   repeat for each char tChar in tChars
      switch tChar
         case "N" -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
                        --if its the first time through, places it at a
start location
                        -- then uses the id of the most recent bar for
placement purposes
            clone grc "narrowB"
            if tLast is empty then
               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
            else
               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
tLast
            end if
            break
         case "n"
            clone grc "narrowC"
            if tLast is empty then
               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
            else
               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
tLast
            end if
            break
         case "W"
            clone grc "wideB"
            if tLast is empty then
               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
            else
               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
tLast
            end if
            break
         case "w"
            clone grc "widec"
            if tLast is empty then
               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
            else
               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
tLast
            end if
            break

      end switch
      put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
recently placed bar
   end repeat
end mouseup

Spacing and line size might need to be tweaked, but it seems like this
would be relatively straight forward.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:30 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think the trick will be drawing large graphics one at a time and
> properly spaced at several times their finished size, perhaps off screen,
> then getting a snapshot of the result and scaling it down. Not sure how
> picky the readers will be.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 19, 2018, at 15:06 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Currently i am using a special 2of5i barcode font. The font .has only
> four characters (bars) in its set.
> > The code displays a
> > narrow space (blank) bar when the character is n
> > narrow black bar when N
> > wide space when w
> > wide black bar when W
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 19 19:04:10 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 23:04:10 +0000
Subject: Property Inspector, Text Formatting, Text style ->Plain Button?
In-Reply-To: <0ED68183-605F-452E-9952-B71DB313E2F8@m-r-d.de>
References: <0ED68183-605F-452E-9952-B71DB313E2F8@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <72AD86DF-6020-4A59-BF45-898D7A434FB4@iotecdigital.com>

I mentioned a day or two ago that the bit of the property inspector that does all the actual dirty work is a tree widget! I think when RunRev switched over to using a tree widget, they lost other functionality in the bargain. 

Not that the functionality HAD to be lost, but I think they just rewrote the property manager altogether, and got it to a certain level of functionality. It may help to think of the new property manager as a completely different animal, and then develop as such. 

I am at a point where I think I will look into how widgets are made and registered, so I can get into the nuts and bolts of how the engine communicates with them. 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2018, at 15:59 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> just noticed again that in the property inspector under text formating there is not the ?plain? button/icon anymore to set the text to plain. In LC 6 this button is still there.
> 
> Is this a bug or are there reasons why this button is not there anymore?
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias


From monte at appisle.net  Thu Jul 19 19:54:00 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 09:54:00 +1000
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>

Hi Dan

This looks like a regression from the large number of acceleratedRendering related patches that went into 9.0.1 rc 1. I am looking into it as it will be a blocker for 9.0.1-rc-2.

Cheers

Monte

> On 20 Jul 2018, at 4:13 am, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Using LC 9.0.1 (rc1), on android only, if I have acceleratedRendering on, the effect is not applied when doing this:
> 
> lock screen for visual effect
> //do something
> unlock screen with visual effect wipe left //any effect fails
> 
> However, if acceleratedRendering is off, the visual effect is applied.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> 
> -Dan
> 
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From monte at appisle.net  Thu Jul 19 20:17:46 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 10:17:46 +1000
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
	<385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>

Hi Dan

A little update. 

The bug report is here: 
https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434>

The PR for the fix is here:
https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610 <https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610>

Cheers

Monte

> On 20 Jul 2018, at 9:54 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Dan
> 
> This looks like a regression from the large number of acceleratedRendering related patches that went into 9.0.1 rc 1. I am looking into it as it will be a blocker for 9.0.1-rc-2.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 4:13 am, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello!
>> 
>> Using LC 9.0.1 (rc1), on android only, if I have acceleratedRendering on, the effect is not applied when doing this:
>> 
>> lock screen for visual effect
>> //do something
>> unlock screen with visual effect wipe left //any effect fails
>> 
>> However, if acceleratedRendering is off, the visual effect is applied.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> -Dan
>> 
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>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From keith.clarke at me.com  Fri Jul 20 02:58:23 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 07:58:23 +0100
Subject: LiveCode server IDE - the current state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.272.1532034052.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.272.1532034052.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2373F5FA-F56C-433A-8198-1A19D08B26D8@me.com>

Thanks for describing your setup, Alex. 

I like the ?work locally as usual, then upload? approach - coupled with the essential 'Did everything synch?' check utility! :-)

The lightweight LCS hub is very appealing (probably without RevIgniter to avoid any additional complexity) to get the basic plumbing connected.

Time to hit the LCS lessons to see if I can replicate what you're achieving with 20-lines, methinks! :-)
Best,
Keith

> From: Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: LiveCode server IDE - the current state of the art?
> Message-ID: <c79f2054-5cc3-5f8c-1f95-2819e9fedfcb at tweedly.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> I have no idea if this is state of the art or not :-) - but here's what 
> I do ...
> 
> 
> Short answer : the Livecode IDE plus an FTP client (Filezilla).
> 
> Longer answer :
> 
> 99% of what I write for the LC server is standard LC - scriptonly 
> stacks, used as library stacks.
> 
> I have about 20 lines of LCS - just enough to look around and "start 
> using" the relevant librarystacks, and then invoke the top-level 
> handler. (This is actually in a revIgniter controller because I use 
> revIgniter, but the same thing would work even if I didn't).
> 
> This lets me develop and test most of it in a convenient environment 
> (the IDE, on my own laptop). I keep a copy of the scripts locally, along 
> with enough of the database to do testing. I have a small "test-harness" 
> app that lets me set parameters as though from the URL.
> 
> All output is done through my own handlers - which then either output on 
> LC Server, or output to log/status/output fields and a browser widget in 
> the test app. All DB access is done through a shim layer which uses 
> Andre's DBLib + sqlite on the laptop and revIgniter's DB Lib + MySQL on 
> the server.
> 
> I don't use revIgniter's "Views" - I have my own library which provides 
> the equivalent functionality in a way that lets me give website 
> maintainers access to it, without giving them access to anything within 
> revIgniter's 'system' folder.? (This also lets me test on the IDE).
> 
> I have a variety of ancillary files which I edit with other editors 
> (currently trying out Atom for small changes, but falling back to emacs 
> when there are larger or complex changes to do).
> 
> Only problem I've run into with this approach is that sometimes I will 
> edit and test a file (or a number of files)? locally, and forget to 
> upload one or some :-(? So I have a small 'sync' app which runs on the 
> laptop, and uses a LC Server script on the website, to flag up any 
> differences in the 'should be identical' files.
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 19/07/2018 08:01, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> I?m attempting to engage with LiveCode Server after a couple of years since I last played - when the approach was to roll your own IDE (i.e. pick a text editor) and optionally use the RevIgnitor framework.
>> 
>> I?d be obliged if anyone could please update me on the current state of the art and share their personal tool-belt preference (target environment is a Linux VPS).
>> Thanks & regards
>> Keith
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From heather at livecode.com  Fri Jul 20 04:46:05 2018
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 09:46:05 +0100
Subject: Trying to track down the reason for slow downloads
Message-ID: <3604F092-6320-497E-92E6-5B14CBFD237C@livecode.com>

Dear List Folks,

There appears to be a strange glitch with slow downloads from downloads.livecode.com <http://downloads.livecode.com/>, which only affects a select handful of people. We are trying to track this down - it may be simply a random internet glitch that we can do nothing about, but we are suspicious. It seems to affect the same people, over a long period of time, which is not consistent with a random glitch.

We need more data. If you have been affected by slow downloads of LiveCode more than once, over a period of time separated by weeks or months, please email support at livecode.com <mailto:support at livecode.com> with the following information:

Your IP address
Your browser including version number
Your OS including version number
Your location (state, country)
Your ISP
When you tried (roughly), what you were downloading and how often you have been affected

Please, don't send this information to the list :). Direct to support at livecode.com <mailto:support at livecode.com>.

Thanks so much for your assistance!

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com





From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul 20 05:24:49 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 11:24:49 +0200
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>

Mike

you?re awesome. That is already an almost complete solution to my question. Never had expected that. Thank you very much.
I?ve made some little changes. One among of them is:
To have all the separate bars of the barcode in a group, i changed the lines where the grc is cloned
to for example        copy grc ?narrowB? to grp ?barcode2of5?

Here?s now my code to convert the nNnNN?. string to Barcode

local tLast
on mouseup
   if there is a grp "barcode2of5" then delete grp "barcode2of5"
   -- now change the width of the template graphics
   put "2" into tNarrow
   put "4" into tWide
   set the width of grc "narrowC" to tNarrow
   set the width of grc "narrowB" to tNarrow
   set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
   set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
   put "0" into tHorAdjust -- allows to put a gap beween the separate bars.
   put "60,286" into tBarTopLeft -- defines where the first bar is placed
   put empty into tLast
   put fld "2of5" into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
   set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
   create grp "barcode2of5"
   repeat for each char tChar in tChars
      switch tChar
         case "N"
            -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
            --if its the first time through, places it at astart location
            -- then uses the id of the most recent bar forplacement purposes
            --clone grc "narrowB"
            copy grc "narrowB" to grp "barcode2of5"
            if tLast is empty then
               set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
            else
               set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
            end if
            break
         case "n"
            --clone grc "narrowC"
            copy grc "narrowC" to grp "barcode2of5"
            if tLast is empty then
               set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
            else
               set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
            end if
            break
         case "W"
            --clone grc "wideB"
            copy grc "wideB" to grp "barcode2of5"
            if tLast is empty then
               set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
            else
               set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
            end if
            break
         case "w"
            --clone grc "widec"
            copy grc "widec" to grp "barcode2of5"
            if tLast is empty then
               set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
            else
               set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
            end if
            break
      end switch
      put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most recently placed bar
   end repeat
   set the height of grp "barcode2of5" to 69
   set the width of grp "barcode2of5" to 360   
end mouseup

--This function allows a horizontal adjustment of the single bars.
function horAdjust tHorAdjust
   put the topright of grc id tLast into tTMP
   set the itemdelimiter to ","
   add tHorAdjust to item 1 of tTMP
   return tTMP
end horAdjust

Again, thank you very much for your help.

Regards,

Matthias


> Am 20.07.2018 um 01:01 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Not sure if it will work for your purpose, but as a test I created for
> graphic lines, 1 narrow black, 1 wider black, duplicated them and set the
> blendlevel of the copies so that they're transparent.
> 
> Grcs are named narrowB, wideB, narrowC and wideC (b for black, c for clear)
> 
> Then used the following code (and your example string from above with the
> WWnNw stuff) to generate a barcode.
> 
> on mouseup
>   put empty into tLast
>   put field 1 into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
>   set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
>   repeat for each char tChar in tChars
>      switch tChar
>         case "N" -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
>                        --if its the first time through, places it at a
> start location
>                        -- then uses the id of the most recent bar for
> placement purposes
>            clone grc "narrowB"
>            if tLast is empty then
>               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>            else
>               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
> tLast
>            end if
>            break
>         case "n"
>            clone grc "narrowC"
>            if tLast is empty then
>               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>            else
>               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
> tLast
>            end if
>            break
>         case "W"
>            clone grc "wideB"
>            if tLast is empty then
>               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>            else
>               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
> tLast
>            end if
>            break
>         case "w"
>            clone grc "widec"
>            if tLast is empty then
>               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>            else
>               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
> tLast
>            end if
>            break
> 
>      end switch
>      put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
> recently placed bar
>   end repeat
> end mouseup
> 
> Spacing and line size might need to be tweaked, but it seems like this
> would be relatively straight forward.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:30 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think the trick will be drawing large graphics one at a time and
>> properly spaced at several times their finished size, perhaps off screen,
>> then getting a snapshot of the result and scaling it down. Not sure how
>> picky the readers will be.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 15:06 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Currently i am using a special 2of5i barcode font. The font .has only
>> four characters (bars) in its set.
>>> The code displays a
>>> narrow space (blank) bar when the character is n
>>> narrow black bar when N
>>> wide space when w
>>> wide black bar when W
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 05:31:43 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 03:31:43 -0600
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
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Very cool!  Does it actually produce a code that can be scanned?

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 3:25 AM Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mike
>
> you?re awesome. That is already an almost complete solution to my
> question. Never had expected that. Thank you very much.
> I?ve made some little changes. One among of them is:
> To have all the separate bars of the barcode in a group, i changed the
> lines where the grc is cloned
> to for example        copy grc ?narrowB? to grp ?barcode2of5?
>
> Here?s now my code to convert the nNnNN?. string to Barcode
>
> local tLast
> on mouseup
>    if there is a grp "barcode2of5" then delete grp "barcode2of5"
>    -- now change the width of the template graphics
>    put "2" into tNarrow
>    put "4" into tWide
>    set the width of grc "narrowC" to tNarrow
>    set the width of grc "narrowB" to tNarrow
>    set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
>    set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
>    put "0" into tHorAdjust -- allows to put a gap beween the separate bars.
>    put "60,286" into tBarTopLeft -- defines where the first bar is placed
>    put empty into tLast
>    put fld "2of5" into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
>    set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
>    create grp "barcode2of5"
>    repeat for each char tChar in tChars
>       switch tChar
>          case "N"
>             -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
>             --if its the first time through, places it at astart location
>             -- then uses the id of the most recent bar forplacement
> purposes
>             --clone grc "narrowB"
>             copy grc "narrowB" to grp "barcode2of5"
>             if tLast is empty then
>                set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>             else
>                set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>             end if
>             break
>          case "n"
>             --clone grc "narrowC"
>             copy grc "narrowC" to grp "barcode2of5"
>             if tLast is empty then
>                set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>             else
>                set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>             end if
>             break
>          case "W"
>             --clone grc "wideB"
>             copy grc "wideB" to grp "barcode2of5"
>             if tLast is empty then
>                set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>             else
>                set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>             end if
>             break
>          case "w"
>             --clone grc "widec"
>             copy grc "widec" to grp "barcode2of5"
>             if tLast is empty then
>                set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>             else
>                set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>             end if
>             break
>       end switch
>       put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
> recently placed bar
>    end repeat
>    set the height of grp "barcode2of5" to 69
>    set the width of grp "barcode2of5" to 360
> end mouseup
>
> --This function allows a horizontal adjustment of the single bars.
> function horAdjust tHorAdjust
>    put the topright of grc id tLast into tTMP
>    set the itemdelimiter to ","
>    add tHorAdjust to item 1 of tTMP
>    return tTMP
> end horAdjust
>
> Again, thank you very much for your help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
> > Am 20.07.2018 um 01:01 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Not sure if it will work for your purpose, but as a test I created for
> > graphic lines, 1 narrow black, 1 wider black, duplicated them and set the
> > blendlevel of the copies so that they're transparent.
> >
> > Grcs are named narrowB, wideB, narrowC and wideC (b for black, c for
> clear)
> >
> > Then used the following code (and your example string from above with the
> > WWnNw stuff) to generate a barcode.
> >
> > on mouseup
> >   put empty into tLast
> >   put field 1 into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
> >   set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
> >   repeat for each char tChar in tChars
> >      switch tChar
> >         case "N" -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
> >                        --if its the first time through, places it at a
> > start location
> >                        -- then uses the id of the most recent bar for
> > placement purposes
> >            clone grc "narrowB"
> >            if tLast is empty then
> >               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
> >            else
> >               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
> > tLast
> >            end if
> >            break
> >         case "n"
> >            clone grc "narrowC"
> >            if tLast is empty then
> >               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
> >            else
> >               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
> > tLast
> >            end if
> >            break
> >         case "W"
> >            clone grc "wideB"
> >            if tLast is empty then
> >               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
> >            else
> >               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
> > tLast
> >            end if
> >            break
> >         case "w"
> >            clone grc "widec"
> >            if tLast is empty then
> >               set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
> >            else
> >               set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
> > tLast
> >            end if
> >            break
> >
> >      end switch
> >      put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
> > recently placed bar
> >   end repeat
> > end mouseup
> >
> > Spacing and line size might need to be tweaked, but it seems like this
> > would be relatively straight forward.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:30 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think the trick will be drawing large graphics one at a time and
> >> properly spaced at several times their finished size, perhaps off
> screen,
> >> then getting a snapshot of the result and scaling it down. Not sure how
> >> picky the readers will be.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 15:06 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Currently i am using a special 2of5i barcode font. The font .has only
> >> four characters (bars) in its set.
> >>> The code displays a
> >>> narrow space (blank) bar when the character is n
> >>> narrow black bar when N
> >>> wide space when w
> >>> wide black bar when W
> >>
> >>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 20 05:42:42 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 11:42:42 +0200
Subject: line 1 of the volumes
In-Reply-To: <E9501BC9-EB68-478E-80FC-06F46F572EB2@major-k.de>
References: <E9501BC9-EB68-478E-80FC-06F46F572EB2@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <DD34D4D8-8F36-4D2F-A019-79C0420869A2@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 19.07.2018 um 17:58 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> this came up in the forum: Can we rely on the fact that 
> -> line 1 of the volumes
> is always the BOOT volume?

noone for a quick YES or NO?


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jul 20 07:31:42 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:31:42 +0200
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
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References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSprqejDZ2ukvH1ijgLv-F3OQLiSRh+G_9ODcV18mTOB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>

We tried here with iPhone and also with an USB scanner. Both devices scanned the code successfully.

I have just finished a program for shipment. It fetches customer and invoice data from the accounting software and creates then the shipment labels including a Code25i barcode and a QR code. The carrier is Trans-o-Flex. I need to send some sample labels to their IT department. They will check if the labels are readable by their scanners. But i am now confident, that this will work on their side also.

Thanks again.

Matthias



> Am 20.07.2018 um 11:31 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Very cool!  Does it actually produce a code that can be scanned?
> 
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 3:25 AM Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> you?re awesome. That is already an almost complete solution to my
>> question. Never had expected that. Thank you very much.
>> I?ve made some little changes. One among of them is:
>> To have all the separate bars of the barcode in a group, i changed the
>> lines where the grc is cloned
>> to for example        copy grc ?narrowB? to grp ?barcode2of5?
>> 
>> Here?s now my code to convert the nNnNN?. string to Barcode
>> 
>> local tLast
>> on mouseup
>>   if there is a grp "barcode2of5" then delete grp "barcode2of5"
>>   -- now change the width of the template graphics
>>   put "2" into tNarrow
>>   put "4" into tWide
>>   set the width of grc "narrowC" to tNarrow
>>   set the width of grc "narrowB" to tNarrow
>>   set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
>>   set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
>>   put "0" into tHorAdjust -- allows to put a gap beween the separate bars.
>>   put "60,286" into tBarTopLeft -- defines where the first bar is placed
>>   put empty into tLast
>>   put fld "2of5" into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
>>   set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
>>   create grp "barcode2of5"
>>   repeat for each char tChar in tChars
>>      switch tChar
>>         case "N"
>>            -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
>>            --if its the first time through, places it at astart location
>>            -- then uses the id of the most recent bar forplacement
>> purposes
>>            --clone grc "narrowB"
>>            copy grc "narrowB" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>            if tLast is empty then
>>               set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>            else
>>               set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>            end if
>>            break
>>         case "n"
>>            --clone grc "narrowC"
>>            copy grc "narrowC" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>            if tLast is empty then
>>               set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>            else
>>               set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>            end if
>>            break
>>         case "W"
>>            --clone grc "wideB"
>>            copy grc "wideB" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>            if tLast is empty then
>>               set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>            else
>>               set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>            end if
>>            break
>>         case "w"
>>            --clone grc "widec"
>>            copy grc "widec" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>            if tLast is empty then
>>               set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>            else
>>               set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>            end if
>>            break
>>      end switch
>>      put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
>> recently placed bar
>>   end repeat
>>   set the height of grp "barcode2of5" to 69
>>   set the width of grp "barcode2of5" to 360
>> end mouseup
>> 
>> --This function allows a horizontal adjustment of the single bars.
>> function horAdjust tHorAdjust
>>   put the topright of grc id tLast into tTMP
>>   set the itemdelimiter to ","
>>   add tHorAdjust to item 1 of tTMP
>>   return tTMP
>> end horAdjust
>> 
>> Again, thank you very much for your help.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 20.07.2018 um 01:01 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Not sure if it will work for your purpose, but as a test I created for
>>> graphic lines, 1 narrow black, 1 wider black, duplicated them and set the
>>> blendlevel of the copies so that they're transparent.
>>> 
>>> Grcs are named narrowB, wideB, narrowC and wideC (b for black, c for
>> clear)
>>> 
>>> Then used the following code (and your example string from above with the
>>> WWnNw stuff) to generate a barcode.
>>> 
>>> on mouseup
>>>  put empty into tLast
>>>  put field 1 into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
>>>  set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
>>>  repeat for each char tChar in tChars
>>>     switch tChar
>>>        case "N" -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
>>>                       --if its the first time through, places it at a
>>> start location
>>>                       -- then uses the id of the most recent bar for
>>> placement purposes
>>>           clone grc "narrowB"
>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>           else
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>> tLast
>>>           end if
>>>           break
>>>        case "n"
>>>           clone grc "narrowC"
>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>           else
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>> tLast
>>>           end if
>>>           break
>>>        case "W"
>>>           clone grc "wideB"
>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>           else
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>> tLast
>>>           end if
>>>           break
>>>        case "w"
>>>           clone grc "widec"
>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>           else
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>> tLast
>>>           end if
>>>           break
>>> 
>>>     end switch
>>>     put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
>>> recently placed bar
>>>  end repeat
>>> end mouseup
>>> 
>>> Spacing and line size might need to be tweaked, but it seems like this
>>> would be relatively straight forward.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:30 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think the trick will be drawing large graphics one at a time and
>>>> properly spaced at several times their finished size, perhaps off
>> screen,
>>>> then getting a snapshot of the result and scaling it down. Not sure how
>>>> picky the readers will be.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 15:06 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Currently i am using a special 2of5i barcode font. The font .has only
>>>> four characters (bars) in its set.
>>>>> The code displays a
>>>>> narrow space (blank) bar when the character is n
>>>>> narrow black bar when N
>>>>> wide space when w
>>>>> wide black bar when W
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Jul 20 08:58:31 2018
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 14:58:31 +0200
Subject: AW: line 1 of the volumes
In-Reply-To: <DD34D4D8-8F36-4D2F-A019-79C0420869A2@major-k.de>
References: <E9501BC9-EB68-478E-80FC-06F46F572EB2@major-k.de>
	<DD34D4D8-8F36-4D2F-A019-79C0420869A2@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <009101d42029$5d343ec0$179cbc40$@kestner.de>

LC 9.0, Win10: C:
For me, yes. In gerneral?
Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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von Klaus major-k via use-livecode
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An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de>
Betreff: Re: line 1 of the volumes

Hi all,

> Am 19.07.2018 um 17:58 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> this came up in the forum: Can we rely on the fact that 
> -> line 1 of the volumes
> is always the BOOT volume?

noone for a quick YES or NO?


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de


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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 20 09:04:10 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 15:04:10 +0200
Subject: line 1 of the volumes
In-Reply-To: <009101d42029$5d343ec0$179cbc40$@kestner.de>
References: <E9501BC9-EB68-478E-80FC-06F46F572EB2@major-k.de>
	<DD34D4D8-8F36-4D2F-A019-79C0420869A2@major-k.de>
	<009101d42029$5d343ec0$179cbc40$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <A7577526-D2DA-4058-91CE-BB8ADF0D8EC1@major-k.de>

Hi Tiemo,

> Am 20.07.2018 um 14:58 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> LC 9.0, Win10: C:
> For me, yes.

for me, too.

> In general?

Well, that was my question. :-)

> Tiemo
> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> this came up in the forum: Can we rely on the fact that 
>> -> line 1 of the volumes
>> is always the BOOT volume?

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Fri Jul 20 09:27:29 2018
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:27:29 +0000
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
	<385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
	<C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <3B0A3A5A-3140-45A9-81E5-CE30131B57F0@clearvisiontech.com>

Monte,

Thanks!   I have a client waiting? should I revert back to 9.0.0?  Or is there a 9.0.1 rc2 coming SOON?

-Dan


On 7/19/18, 5:17 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Hi Dan
    
    A little update. 
    
    The bug report is here: 
    https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434>
    
    The PR for the fix is here:
    https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610 <https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610>
    
    Cheers
    
    Monte
    
    > On 20 Jul 2018, at 9:54 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    > 
    > Hi Dan
    > 
    > This looks like a regression from the large number of acceleratedRendering related patches that went into 9.0.1 rc 1. I am looking into it as it will be a blocker for 9.0.1-rc-2.
    > 
    > Cheers
    > 
    > Monte
    > 
    >> On 20 Jul 2018, at 4:13 am, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    >> 
    >> Hello!
    >> 
    >> Using LC 9.0.1 (rc1), on android only, if I have acceleratedRendering on, the effect is not applied when doing this:
    >> 
    >> lock screen for visual effect
    >> //do something
    >> unlock screen with visual effect wipe left //any effect fails
    >> 
    >> However, if acceleratedRendering is off, the visual effect is applied.
    >> 
    >> Any thoughts?
    >> 
    >> 
    >> -Dan
    >> 
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Fri Jul 20 10:51:01 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 10:51:01 -0400
Subject: line 1 of the volumes
In-Reply-To: <E9501BC9-EB68-478E-80FC-06F46F572EB2@major-k.de>
References: <E9501BC9-EB68-478E-80FC-06F46F572EB2@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJyuZX4X4W3qbWguxhXv7EOZO1w4di2C9NKTEJa0YxKYA@mail.gmail.com>

My guess would be yes since the OS should always report that as the first
drive...but I can't be sure.  the only way to know for sure is to ask
someone with intimate knowledge of the C++ behind the function.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> this came up in the forum: Can we rely on the fact that
> -> line 1 of the volumes
> is always the BOOT volume?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
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> klaus at major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 20 10:53:25 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 16:53:25 +0200
Subject: line 1 of the volumes
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJyuZX4X4W3qbWguxhXv7EOZO1w4di2C9NKTEJa0YxKYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E9501BC9-EB68-478E-80FC-06F46F572EB2@major-k.de>
	<CAPzQJLJyuZX4X4W3qbWguxhXv7EOZO1w4di2C9NKTEJa0YxKYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A1F81DF6-05E1-4A29-BAF1-2FE4154E6C39@major-k.de>

Hi Tom,

> Am 20.07.2018 um 16:51 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> My guess would be yes since the OS should always report that as the first
> drive...but I can't be sure.  the only way to know for sure is to ask
> someone with intimate knowledge of the C++ behind the function.

yes, sure, I was hoping Panos or even Mark W. would answer this. 8-)

> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> this came up in the forum: Can we rely on the fact that
>> -> line 1 of the volumes
>> is always the BOOT volume?

Best

Klaus

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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jul 20 10:57:49 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 09:57:49 -0500
Subject: Help with Bug #19550: Add support for symlinks to standalone builder
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8XQh01Ugm15n1v-jfTQX9QSVkMEwLsKEGGeXwL75q8TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I?m writing this email to see if there is someone who can pitch in and
implement a fix for bug 19550 [1]. The issue is that the the copy folder
command that the LC standalone builder uses does not support symlinks.
While this hasn?t been a significant problem in the past, it has now become
one because LiveCode Builder (LCB) code can link to .frameworks on macOS
using the Foreign Function Interface (FFI) feature in LiveCode 9.

As an example, I?ve been working on an LCB wrapper around Sparkle [2] and
on another around MASShortcut [3]. In both cases the .framework needs to be
distributed with the LCB library. The Standalone Builder does not create a
proper copy of the .framework and the code will fail in a standalone.

Here is a link to the source code on GitHub that needs to be updated:

https://github.com/livecode/livecode/blob/e6955bb9dc517ba4c5c2da422deb5e16627ebf1f/ide-support/revsblibrary.livecodescript#L215

If someone is able to step in and modify the existing code to support
symlinks then others would be able to start distributing extensions that
use .frameworks on macOS. I haven?t verified whether or not this affects
iOS but it may.

[1] https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19550
[2] https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-sparkle
[3] https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-masshortcut

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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 20 11:41:54 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 11:41:54 -0400
Subject: Help with Bug #19550: Add support for symlinks to standalone
	builder
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8XQh01Ugm15n1v-jfTQX9QSVkMEwLsKEGGeXwL75q8TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHg3tG8XQh01Ugm15n1v-jfTQX9QSVkMEwLsKEGGeXwL75q8TQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPHCAuj9FUqXR+QOvQ6u-EnoRQmMau9QG4g4K9Hs+AFDw@mail.gmail.com>

A couple of thoughts:
1) There might be cases where symlinks should not be traversed, so there
probably should be an option to traverse or not
2) There are probably going to be cases where the symlinks are recursive.
I think there should definitely be an option to resolve those.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I?m writing this email to see if there is someone who can pitch in and
> implement a fix for bug 19550 [1]. The issue is that the the copy folder
> command that the LC standalone builder uses does not support symlinks.
> While this hasn?t been a significant problem in the past, it has now become
> one because LiveCode Builder (LCB) code can link to .frameworks on macOS
> using the Foreign Function Interface (FFI) feature in LiveCode 9.
>
> As an example, I?ve been working on an LCB wrapper around Sparkle [2] and
> on another around MASShortcut [3]. In both cases the .framework needs to be
> distributed with the LCB library. The Standalone Builder does not create a
> proper copy of the .framework and the code will fail in a standalone.
>
> Here is a link to the source code on GitHub that needs to be updated:
>
>
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode/blob/e6955bb9dc517ba4c5c2da422deb5e16627ebf1f/ide-support/revsblibrary.livecodescript#L215
>
> If someone is able to step in and modify the existing code to support
> symlinks then others would be able to start distributing extensions that
> use .frameworks on macOS. I haven?t verified whether or not this affects
> iOS but it may.
>
> [1] https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19550
> [2] https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-sparkle
> [3] https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-masshortcut
>
> --
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From keith.clarke at me.com  Fri Jul 20 12:11:33 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 17:11:33 +0100
Subject: OAuth2 Library troubleshooting
Message-ID: <53394CF2-7F20-4CC7-B58C-C8687AB69C98@me.com>

Hi folks,
I?m trying to access the Salesforce.com <http://salesforce.com/> REST API from LiveCode via their UserAgent flow https://developer.salesforce.com/docs/atlas.en-us.api_rest.meta/api_rest/intro_understanding_user_agent_oauth_flow.htm <https://developer.salesforce.com/docs/atlas.en-us.api_rest.meta/api_rest/intro_understanding_user_agent_oauth_flow.htm>

...but am struggling with seeding the OAuth2 library to get an authorisation page returned that isn?t blank. 

I?m not getting any error messages - just silent failures. I did discover that the redirect_url needed to be secure and so have configured https://localhost <https://localhost/> on my Mac but am now deep in guesswork-land.

The docs are light regarding the OAuth2 library beyond definitions and a single example - and there?s little on the forums. I started a forum thread a few days ago - https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31291&p=169196#p169196 <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31291&p=169196#p169196> but I?m guessing this subject is either dead easy (and hence I?m being a numpty!) or very unpopular! :-D

Any clues how I can approach debugging would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks & regards,
Keith

 

From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Fri Jul 20 13:11:17 2018
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 18:11:17 +0100
Subject: OAuth2 Library troubleshooting
In-Reply-To: <53394CF2-7F20-4CC7-B58C-C8687AB69C98@me.com>
References: <53394CF2-7F20-4CC7-B58C-C8687AB69C98@me.com>
Message-ID: <4BED5928-821E-4F0C-A26B-D3E4D7E95871@pidigital.co.uk>

Hi Keith

It is not recommended to use localhost as a redirect. What I tend to do is set up a blank php or jsp on my website and use that as the redirectURL. This url is used to send the token to in a browser request. If the page fails or does not exist then that token is never received. The guide on Salesforce site (the one you linked to) says:
> Salesforce appends access token information to the redirect URL with the following values:
And will look like this:
1 
https://www.mysite.com/user_callback.jsp#access_token=00Dx0000000BV7z%21AR8
2
AQBM8J_xr9kLqmZIRyQxZgLcM4HVi41aGtW0qW3JCzf5xdTGGGSoVim8FfJkZEqxbjaFbberKGk
3
8v8AnYrvChG4qJbQo8&refresh_token=5Aep8614iLM.Dq661ePDmPEgaAW9Oh_L3JKkDpB4xR
4
eb54_pZfVti1dPEk8aimw4Hr9ne7VXXVSIQ%3D%3D&expires_in=7200&state=mystate

I hope this helps

Sean Cole
Pi Digital

> On 20 Jul 2018, at 17:11, Keith Clarke via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> I?m trying to access the Salesforce.com <http://salesforce.com/> REST API from LiveCode via their UserAgent flow https://developer.salesforce.com/docs/atlas.en-us.api_rest.meta/api_rest/intro_understanding_user_agent_oauth_flow.htm <https://developer.salesforce.com/docs/atlas.en-us.api_rest.meta/api_rest/intro_understanding_user_agent_oauth_flow.htm>
> 
> ...but am struggling with seeding the OAuth2 library to get an authorisation page returned that isn?t blank. 
> 
> I?m not getting any error messages - just silent failures. I did discover that the redirect_url needed to be secure and so have configured https://localhost <https://localhost/> on my Mac but am now deep in guesswork-land.
> 
> The docs are light regarding the OAuth2 library beyond definitions and a single example - and there?s little on the forums. I started a forum thread a few days ago - https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31291&p=169196#p169196 <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31291&p=169196#p169196> but I?m guessing this subject is either dead easy (and hence I?m being a numpty!) or very unpopular! :-D
> 
> Any clues how I can approach debugging would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks & regards,
> Keith
> 
> 
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 13:49:14 2018
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 10:49:14 -0700
Subject: iOS 12 testing
Message-ID: <F6B63083-CF19-4F66-BDD1-84E6BEE91EED@gmail.com>

I tested at app on iOS 12 beta 4, and the Console details of the crash are below. I wanted to compare what it would be like when it works, so tried to test on an iOS 11 iPhone. But, it?s a new device, and my provisioning profiles have changed.

Under LC 7.1.4 I couldn?t see my profile listed. There were lots of other ones. Under 8.1.7 I choose see and choose the new profile, but LC wasn?t happy with my Xcode, which has SDK 11.4 and doesn?t have 11.0. Under LC 9.0.1 rc1 I could only see at entry for Team Provisioning. So, it was happy with my Xcode but couldn?t show me any profiles, let alone my new one.

Which just meant I couldn?t test a working version. Here?s what Console had to say about the test on my iPad, which was already under my old profile:

default	10:13:19.994329 -0700	SpringBoard	Bootstrapping Untitled-1 with intent foreground-interactive
default	10:13:19.995979 -0700	kernel	AMFI: '/private/var/containers/Bundle/Application/2A113E7E-870A-4463-8877-E9281D952845/Untitled-1.app/Untitled-1' does not pass CT evaluation, result: 0x80008
default	10:13:19.996347 -0700	kernel	AMFI: '/private/var/containers/Bundle/Application/2A113E7E-870A-4463-8877-E9281D952845/Untitled-1.app/Untitled-1': Unrecoverable CT signature issue, bailing out.
default	10:13:20.025970 -0700	assertiond	Submitting new job for "Untitled-1" on behalf of <BKProcess: 0x12bd25c20; SpringBoard; com.apple.springboard; pid: 53; agency: SystemShell; visibility: foreground; task: running>
default	10:13:20.026078 -0700	assertiond	Submitted job with label: UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63]
default	10:13:20.026316 -0700	assertiond	Unable to get pid for 'UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63]': No such process (3)
error	10:13:20.026768 -0700	SpringBoard	[Untitled-1] Bootstrap failed with error: <NSError: 0x28121b930; domain: BKSProcessErrorDomain; code: 1 (bootstrap-failed); reason: "Failed to start job">
error	10:13:20.026822 -0700	SpringBoard	Bootstrapping failed for <FBApplicationProcess: 0x103af1870; Untitled-1; pid: -1> with error: Error Domain=BKSProcessErrorDomain Code=1 "Unable to bootstrap process with bundleID Untitled-1" UserInfo={NSLocalizedDescription=Unable to bootstrap process with bundleID Untitled-1, BKSProcessExitReason=0, NSLocalizedFailureReason=Failed to start job, NSUnderlyingError=0x2812199e0 {Error Domain=NSPOSIXErrorDomain Code=3 "No such process" UserInfo={BKLaunchdOperation=launch_get_running_pid_4SB, NSLocalizedDescription=Unable to get pid for label UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63], BKLaunchdJobLabel=UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63], NSLocalizedFailureReason=No such process}}, BKSProcessJobLabel=UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63], BSErrorCodeDescription=bootstrap-failed}
default	10:13:20.026916 -0700	SpringBoard	Adding: <FBApplicationProcess: 0x103af1870; Untitled-1; pid: -1>
default	10:13:20.026997 -0700	SpringBoard	<FBApplicationProcess: 0x103af1870; Untitled-1; pid: -1> exited.
default	10:13:20.027946 -0700	SpringBoard	Removing: <FBApplicationProcess: 0x103af1870; Untitled-1; pid: -1>
default	10:13:20.032999 -0700	SpringBoard	Application process state changed for Untitled-1: <SBApplicationProcessState: 0x2807a8800; pid: -1; taskState: Not Running; visibility: Unknown>
default	10:13:20.033138 -0700	SpringBoard	Process exited: <FBApplicationProcess: 0x103af1870; Untitled-1; pid: -1> -> <FBApplicationProcessExitContext: 0x28121bc90; exitReason: (none); terminationReason: (none)> {
    stateAtExit = <FBProcessState: 0x280649e60; pid: -1; taskState: Unknown; visibility: Unknown>;
}
default	10:13:20.033257 -0700	SpringBoard	Application process state changed for Untitled-1: (null)
error	10:13:20.034136 -0700	assertiond	Failed to start job with error <NSError: 0x12bf7c6a0; domain: NSPOSIXErrorDomain; code: 3; reason: "No such process"> {
    description = "Unable to get pid for label UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63]";
    failureReason = "No such process";
    userInfo = {
        BKLaunchdJobLabel = UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63];
        BKLaunchdOperation = launch_get_running_pid_4SB;
    }
}
default	10:13:20.034175 -0700	assertiond	Deleted job with label: UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63]
default	10:13:20.623005 -0700	SpringBoard	Front display did change: <SBApplication: 0x283e5d950; Untitled-1>




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 14:43:32 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 18:43:32 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <82686C55-403C-493F-8F7E-1056F1E34A65@iotecdigital.com>
References: <53A62F28-21A2-446C-8A8A-CECE7DCD7F7E@iotecdigital.com>
	<0106577c-cb2a-00f4-eb57-abb82ebee21a@fourthworld.com>
	<0B90C6AC-37E6-46E0-B7A5-4FB500EA7973@iotecdigital.com>
	<82686C55-403C-493F-8F7E-1056F1E34A65@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5290F215-2C62-46B1-B389-FB233D161483@iotecdigital.com>

I believe I may have mispoken in this thread. Setting the behavior of an object does NOT insert the behavior script in FRONT of the object in the message path. It inserts it in BACK. I know this because I have a selectionChanged handler in both the object and it's behavior, and a breakpoint in each handler. The breakpoint is triggered in the object handler, and NOT in the behavior handler, as you might expect! 

The front would have been handier because then you could leave a duplicate handler in both places, and then tested each by simply setting the behavior back and forth. As is, you have to REMOVE the object's handler before you can test the behavior! Oh well. 

<Semi-but-not-reall-ranting>
So this means this syntax makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!

set the behavior of the behavior of the behavior of group "dgSites" to the long id of button "maingrids" of card "behaviors". 

What *actually* happens is something like:

set the behavior of the long id of button "maingrids" of card "behaviors" to the behavior of group "dgSites"
set the behavior of group "dgSites" to the long id of button "maingrids" of card "behaviors"

but the second method won't work. So long as people doing nested behaviors are aware of this syntactical anomaly and the effect it has on the message path, all is well. 
<end faux-rant>

Bob S


From keith.clarke at me.com  Fri Jul 20 15:01:33 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:01:33 +0100
Subject: OAuth2 Library troubleshooting
In-Reply-To: <4BED5928-821E-4F0C-A26B-D3E4D7E95871@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <53394CF2-7F20-4CC7-B58C-C8687AB69C98@me.com>
	<4BED5928-821E-4F0C-A26B-D3E4D7E95871@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D0E4D6D3-0A15-467D-88CE-806888262398@me.com>

Hi Sean, 
Thanks for the response - here and in the forum post.

The process is failing at step one before any attempt to return the token, so I think it?s a LiveCode OAuth library/documentation issue - as the parameters that open a blank browser dialogue in LC work fine in Postman?s token request form to get a login page returned.

Time to revisit the web viewer and attempt to roll my own.
Thanks
Keith 

> On 20 Jul 2018, at 18:11, Pi Digital via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith
> 
> It is not recommended to use localhost as a redirect. What I tend to do is set up a blank php or jsp on my website and use that as the redirectURL. This url is used to send the token to in a browser request. If the page fails or does not exist then that token is never received. The guide on Salesforce site (the one you linked to) says:
>> Salesforce appends access token information to the redirect URL with the following values:
> And will look like this:
> 1 
> https://www.mysite.com/user_callback.jsp#access_token=00Dx0000000BV7z%21AR8
> 2
> AQBM8J_xr9kLqmZIRyQxZgLcM4HVi41aGtW0qW3JCzf5xdTGGGSoVim8FfJkZEqxbjaFbberKGk
> 3
> 8v8AnYrvChG4qJbQo8&refresh_token=5Aep8614iLM.Dq661ePDmPEgaAW9Oh_L3JKkDpB4xR
> 4
> eb54_pZfVti1dPEk8aimw4Hr9ne7VXXVSIQ%3D%3D&expires_in=7200&state=mystate
> 
> I hope this helps
> 
> Sean Cole
> Pi Digital
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2018, at 17:11, Keith Clarke via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I?m trying to access the Salesforce.com <http://salesforce.com/> REST API from LiveCode via their UserAgent flow https://developer.salesforce.com/docs/atlas.en-us.api_rest.meta/api_rest/intro_understanding_user_agent_oauth_flow.htm <https://developer.salesforce.com/docs/atlas.en-us.api_rest.meta/api_rest/intro_understanding_user_agent_oauth_flow.htm>
>> 
>> ...but am struggling with seeding the OAuth2 library to get an authorisation page returned that isn?t blank. 
>> 
>> I?m not getting any error messages - just silent failures. I did discover that the redirect_url needed to be secure and so have configured https://localhost <https://localhost/> on my Mac but am now deep in guesswork-land.
>> 
>> The docs are light regarding the OAuth2 library beyond definitions and a single example - and there?s little on the forums. I started a forum thread a few days ago - https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31291&p=169196#p169196 <https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=31291&p=169196#p169196> but I?m guessing this subject is either dead easy (and hence I?m being a numpty!) or very unpopular! :-D
>> 
>> Any clues how I can approach debugging would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks & regards,
>> Keith
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Jul 20 15:19:36 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 14:19:36 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <5290F215-2C62-46B1-B389-FB233D161483@iotecdigital.com>
References: <53A62F28-21A2-446C-8A8A-CECE7DCD7F7E@iotecdigital.com>
	<0106577c-cb2a-00f4-eb57-abb82ebee21a@fourthworld.com>
	<0B90C6AC-37E6-46E0-B7A5-4FB500EA7973@iotecdigital.com>
	<82686C55-403C-493F-8F7E-1056F1E34A65@iotecdigital.com>
	<5290F215-2C62-46B1-B389-FB233D161483@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <becf94e8-dd7b-41fd-a662-cfd95cc36699@Spark>

Check out ?before? and ?after? in the dictionary (control structure). They allow what you are wanting.
On Jul 20, 2018, 1:44 PM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> I believe I may have mispoken in this thread. Setting the behavior of an object does NOT insert the behavior script in FRONT of the object in the message path. It inserts it in BACK. I know this because I have a selectionChanged handler in both the object and it's behavior, and a breakpoint in each handler. The breakpoint is triggered in the object handler, and NOT in the behavior handler, as you might expect!
>
> The front would have been handier because then you could leave a duplicate handler in both places, and then tested each by simply setting the behavior back and forth. As is, you have to REMOVE the object's handler before you can test the behavior! Oh well.
>
> <Semi-but-not-reall-ranting>
> So this means this syntax makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
>
> set the behavior of the behavior of the behavior of group "dgSites" to the long id of button "maingrids" of card "behaviors".
>
> What *actually* happens is something like:
>
> set the behavior of the long id of button "maingrids" of card "behaviors" to the behavior of group "dgSites"
> set the behavior of group "dgSites" to the long id of button "maingrids" of card "behaviors"
>
> but the second method won't work. So long as people doing nested behaviors are aware of this syntactical anomaly and the effect it has on the message path, all is well.
> <end faux-rant>
>
> Bob S
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 20 16:26:32 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:26:32 -0700
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <5290F215-2C62-46B1-B389-FB233D161483@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5290F215-2C62-46B1-B389-FB233D161483@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <f7d532ef-1564-30ce-cb1a-9c94b5c69da6@fourthworld.com>

I just realized why the method most useful for controlling scope won't 
actually work.

For scoping, we want only some DGs to have custom behavior, so this 
would seem most desirable:

       [ DataGrid ]
            |
            V
    [ Custom Behavior ]
            |
            V
[ Standard DG Behavior ]


Useful as that it for limiting scope, the problem is that much of the DG 
code refers to objects within "me", and in this setup "me" refers to the 
Custom Behavior object rather than the original DG group.  No subgroups, 
fields, or anything else the DG expects to find are present in the 
Custom Behavior object, resulting in script errors.

So the only way I can see this working at all is to toss scope control 
out the door and swap the Custom Behavior to be the behavior object for 
the Standard DG Behavior, as I believe Panos had suggested earlier.

Brian's suggestion of "before" and "after" handlers may help for some 
aspects of message ordering, but all handlers in the Custom Behavior 
object will affect all DGs once the Custom Behavior object is assigned 
as the behavior for the global Standard DG Behavior.

At the risk of drifting toward OOPness, I wonder if this situation may 
prompt us to consider some more refined method of having nested 
controls, so that we can insert a custom behavior script in between a 
global-scope behavior script and a subset of the controls it's assigned to.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Fri Jul 20 16:40:39 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 16:40:39 -0400
Subject: Autocomplete in 9.0.1 RC1
Message-ID: <45994A44-BA79-414D-875F-8053A109FE5F@madmansoft.com>

Hi All,

Maybe I?m missing something, but Autocomplete in the 9.0.1 RC1 doesn?t seem to work? I try selecting the appropriate pop up from the list with the right arrow key, but it doesn?t complete and just stays there.

TIA,

Steve MacLean

9.0.1 RC1 Business





From colinholgate at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 16:47:21 2018
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:47:21 -0700
Subject: Autocomplete in 9.0.1 RC1
In-Reply-To: <45994A44-BA79-414D-875F-8053A109FE5F@madmansoft.com>
References: <45994A44-BA79-414D-875F-8053A109FE5F@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <97E40E1B-B1BB-4D66-BC6E-257D6E4F26D6@gmail.com>

I think it?s a convention issue. Normally autocomplete is triggered with the tab key. You can right arrow down the list and then press tab, and it will do the line you were on.

You could argue that enter/return should work as well, but then you don?t have a way to indicate that you don?t want autocomplete at all, you really wanted to call your handler ?on moused?.


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 1:40 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Maybe I?m missing something, but Autocomplete in the 9.0.1 RC1 doesn?t seem to work? I try selecting the appropriate pop up from the list with the right arrow key, but it doesn?t complete and just stays there.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Steve MacLean
> 
> 9.0.1 RC1 Business
> 
> 
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 20 16:48:36 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:48:36 -0700
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <5290F215-2C62-46B1-B389-FB233D161483@iotecdigital.com>
References: <53A62F28-21A2-446C-8A8A-CECE7DCD7F7E@iotecdigital.com>
	<0106577c-cb2a-00f4-eb57-abb82ebee21a@fourthworld.com>
	<0B90C6AC-37E6-46E0-B7A5-4FB500EA7973@iotecdigital.com>
	<82686C55-403C-493F-8F7E-1056F1E34A65@iotecdigital.com>
	<5290F215-2C62-46B1-B389-FB233D161483@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <d0d85170-05b6-8971-baef-8aa500039ea5@sonic.net>

On 07/20/2018 11:43 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I believe I may have mispoken in this thread. Setting the behavior of an object does NOT insert the behavior script in FRONT of the object in the message path. It inserts it in BACK. I know this because I have a selectionChanged handler in both the object and it's behavior, and a breakpoint in each handler. The breakpoint is triggered in the object handler, and NOT in the behavior handler, as you might expect!

That's the way object-oriented programming works. You set the default 
operation in the behavior script and then you can override it in the 
object if needed. I think of behavior scripts more or less as private 
backscripts of an object.

Otherwise, just follow Brian's suggestion.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Fri Jul 20 16:50:22 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 16:50:22 -0400
Subject: Autocomplete in 9.0.1 RC1
In-Reply-To: <97E40E1B-B1BB-4D66-BC6E-257D6E4F26D6@gmail.com>
References: <45994A44-BA79-414D-875F-8053A109FE5F@madmansoft.com>
	<97E40E1B-B1BB-4D66-BC6E-257D6E4F26D6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <421F8434-B023-4F90-8643-E6F8B5D6D07F@madmansoft.com>

Thanks Colin, thought I had tried tab as well? lol, guess I hadn?t!

> On Jul 20, 2018, at 4:47 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think it?s a convention issue. Normally autocomplete is triggered with the tab key. You can right arrow down the list and then press tab, and it will do the line you were on.
> 
> You could argue that enter/return should work as well, but then you don?t have a way to indicate that you don?t want autocomplete at all, you really wanted to call your handler ?on moused?.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2018, at 1:40 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Maybe I?m missing something, but Autocomplete in the 9.0.1 RC1 doesn?t seem to work? I try selecting the appropriate pop up from the list with the right arrow key, but it doesn?t complete and just stays there.
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> Steve MacLean
>> 
>> 9.0.1 RC1 Business
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 17:05:03 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 21:05:03 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <f7d532ef-1564-30ce-cb1a-9c94b5c69da6@fourthworld.com>
References: <5290F215-2C62-46B1-B389-FB233D161483@iotecdigital.com>
	<f7d532ef-1564-30ce-cb1a-9c94b5c69da6@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <536F0A7F-1EF2-4499-86CD-08A90110D8D9@iotecdigital.com>

So far as I have been able to ascertain, "me" always refers to the original object, and NOT the behavior. As Jacques so helpfully pointed out, "this me" refers to the behavior's own script. So "me" might be thought of as a synonym for "the target" (insofar as I have been able to work it out). 

I've been working with nested behaviors for a datagrid the better part of this day, since discovering how to do it, (thank you Bernd for your input on this) and the datagrid default behavior seems to be working as advertised, and behaving exactly as your diagram describes.  

Bob S


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 13:26 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I just realized why the method most useful for controlling scope won't actually work.
> 
> For scoping, we want only some DGs to have custom behavior, so this would seem most desirable:
> 
>      [ DataGrid ]
>           |
>           V
>   [ Custom Behavior ]
>           |
>           V
> [ Standard DG Behavior ]
> 
> 
> Useful as that it for limiting scope, the problem is that much of the DG code refers to objects within "me", and in this setup "me" refers to the Custom Behavior object rather than the original DG group.  No subgroups, fields, or anything else the DG expects to find are present in the Custom Behavior object, resulting in script errors.
> 
> So the only way I can see this working at all is to toss scope control out the door and swap the Custom Behavior to be the behavior object for the Standard DG Behavior, as I believe Panos had suggested earlier.




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 20 17:08:14 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 14:08:14 -0700
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSprqejDZ2ukvH1ijgLv-F3OQLiSRh+G_9ODcV18mTOB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <3de226d6-a780-2c24-d54a-24457e5dd490@sonic.net>

On 07/20/2018 04:31 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> We tried here with iPhone and also with an USB scanner. Both devices scanned the code successfully.
> 
> I have just finished a program for shipment. It fetches customer and invoice data from the accounting software and creates then the shipment labels including a Code25i barcode and a QR code. The carrier is Trans-o-Flex. I need to send some sample labels to their IT department. They will check if the labels are readable by their scanners. But i am now confident, that this will work on their side also.

Cool. I played around with Mattias' version of Mike's excellent code a 
bit. Here's my take. Note that you really only need one graphic image to 
work with - here's how to do it with a single invisible filled rectangle 
graphic (I kept the name "narrowB"). This takes a string of numbers and 
generates the intermediate string and bar code.

-- 2of5 barcode

constant kBarCodeHeight = 69
constant kBarCodeWidth = 360
constant kInitialTopLeft = "60,286" -- defines where the first bar is placed
constant kGapBetweenBars = 0
constant kBarCodeGroupName = "barcode2of5"

local sLast
local sWideWidth

on mouseUp
    local tNumberString
    local tConvertedNumberString
    local tBarWidth

    set the height of graphic "narrowB" to kBarCodeHeight
    put field "barcodeNumber" into tNumberString

    -- need a checksum as the last digit?
    -- put checksumFrom (field "barcodeNumber") after tNumberString

    -- calculate the expected bar widths
    put convertNumberString(tNumberString) into tConvertedNumberString
    put barWidthFrom(tConvertedNumberString) into tBarWidth
    set the width of graphic "narrowB" to tBarWidth
    put tBarWidth * 2 into sWideWidth
    makeBarCodeFrom tConvertedNumberString
    -- add the number string to the barcode if it's not already on the form
    displayBarCodeNumber
end mouseUp

function barWidthFrom pNumberString
    local tHowManyChars
    local tTestString

    put pNumberString into tTestString
    replace "n" with empty in tTestString
    put length (tTestString) + length (pNumberString) into tHowManyChars
    return kBarCodeWidth / tHowManyChars
end barWidthFrom

on makeBarCodeFrom pChars
    local tIsFilled

    lock screen
    if there is a group kBarCodeGroupName then
       delete group kBarCodeGroupName
    end if
    put empty into sLast

    create group kBarCodeGroupName
    set the height of group kBarCodeGroupName to kBarCodeHeight
    set the width of group kBarCodeGroupName to kBarCodeWidth
    put true into tIsFilled
    repeat for each char tChar in pChars
       copy graphic "narrowB" to group kBarCodeGroupName
       switch tChar
          case "w"
             set the width of the last graphic to sWideWidth
             break
       end switch
       if tIsFilled then
          set the visible of the last graphic to true
       end if
       put not tIsFilled into tIsFilled
       if sLast is empty then
          set the topleft of the last graphic to kInitialTopLeft
       else
          set the topleft of the last graphic to horAdjust(kGapBetweenBars)
       end if
       put the short id of the last graphic into sLast -- the id of the 
most recently placed bar
    end repeat

    unlock screen
end makeBarCodeFrom

command displayBarCodeNumber
    copy field "barCodeNumber" to group kBarCodeGroupName
    set the opaque of the last field to false
    set the showborder of the last field to false
    set the textalign of the last field to "center"
    set the top of the last field to the bottom of group kBarCodeGroupName
    set the width of the last field to the width of group kBarCodeGroupName
    set the left of the last field to item 1 of kInitialTopLeft
end displayBarCodeNumber

function horAdjust pGap
    local tGap

    put the topright of graphic id sLast into tGap
    set the itemdelimiter to ","
    add pGap to item 1 of tGap
    return tGap
end horAdjust

local sConversionArray

command initializeConversionArray
    put "nnWWn" into sConversionArray["0"]
    put "WnnnW" into sConversionArray["1"]
    put "nWnnW" into sConversionArray["2"]
    put "WWnnn" into sConversionArray["3"]
    put "nnWnW" into sConversionArray["4"]
    put "WnWnn" into sConversionArray["5"]
    put "nWWnn" into sConversionArray["6"]
    put "nnnWW" into sConversionArray["7"]
    put "WnnWn" into sConversionArray["8"]
    put "nWnWn" into sConversionArray["9"]
end initializeConversionArray

function convertNumberString pNumberString
    local tWidthString
    local tString1, tString2
    local x, y

    initializeConversionArray
    put "nnnn" into tWidthString -- four-bar start code
    if the number of chars in pNumberString mod 2 is 1 then
       put "0" before pNumberString
    end if
    -- need to interleave two chars at a time
    repeat with x=1 to length (pNumberString) step 2
       put sConversionArray[char x of pNumberString] into tString1
       put sConversionArray[char x+1 of pNumberString] into tString2
       repeat with y=1 to 5
          put char y of tString1 & char y of tString2 after tWidthString
       end repeat
    end repeat
    put "wnn" after tWidthString -- three-bar stop code
    return tWidthString
end convertNumberString

function checksumFrom pNumberString
    local tEvenNumbers, tOddNumbers
    local tChecksum
    local tResult

    repeat with x=1 to length (pNumberString) step 2
       add char x of pNumberString to tOddNumbers
       add char x+1 of pNumberString to tEvenNumbers
    end repeat
    put tOddNumbers * 3 + tEvenNumbers into tChecksum
    switch tChecksum mod 10
       case 10
          put 0 into tResult
          break
       default
          put 10 - (tChecksum mod 10) into tResult
    end switch
    return tResult
end checksumFrom

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 17:19:47 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 21:19:47 +0000
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <3de226d6-a780-2c24-d54a-24457e5dd490@sonic.net>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSprqejDZ2ukvH1ijgLv-F3OQLiSRh+G_9ODcV18mTOB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>
	<3de226d6-a780-2c24-d54a-24457e5dd490@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <84A0BEF7-F6FB-4A46-91B9-DC94CBCFBB0A@iotecdigital.com>



> On Jul 20, 2018, at 14:08 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 07/20/2018 04:31 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
>> We tried here with iPhone and also with an USB scanner. Both devices scanned the code successfully.
>> I have just finished a program for shipment. It fetches customer and invoice data from the accounting software and creates then the shipment labels including a Code25i barcode and a QR code. The carrier is Trans-o-Flex. I need to send some sample labels to their IT department. They will check if the labels are readable by their scanners. But i am now confident, that this will work on their side also.
> 
> Cool. I played around with Mattias' version of Mike's excellent code a bit. Here's my take. Note that you really only need one graphic image to work with - here's how to do it with a single invisible filled rectangle graphic (I kept the name "narrowB"). This takes a string of numbers and generates the intermediate string and bar code.
> <snip>

THIS is one for the master library!

Bob S





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 18:22:05 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 16:22:05 -0600
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <3de226d6-a780-2c24-d54a-24457e5dd490@sonic.net>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSprqejDZ2ukvH1ijgLv-F3OQLiSRh+G_9ODcV18mTOB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>
	<3de226d6-a780-2c24-d54a-24457e5dd490@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoV=4OMwmpO5uDY6fcUcPCxEcXwe6rgu+wgn8ScaUfxXw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mark (or anyone?)
Feel like writing up a widget for this (with lots of comments) as an
instructional? (Plus the fact that it'd be a very useful widget in its own
right)

BTW wow.  I toss out a short little ugly hunk of code and you all make it
into something so much better.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 3:08 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 07/20/2018 04:31 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> > We tried here with iPhone and also with an USB scanner. Both devices
> scanned the code successfully.
> >
> > I have just finished a program for shipment. It fetches customer and
> invoice data from the accounting software and creates then the shipment
> labels including a Code25i barcode and a QR code. The carrier is
> Trans-o-Flex. I need to send some sample labels to their IT department.
> They will check if the labels are readable by their scanners. But i am now
> confident, that this will work on their side also.
>
> Cool. I played around with Mattias' version of Mike's excellent code a
> bit. Here's my take. Note that you really only need one graphic image to
> work with - here's how to do it with a single invisible filled rectangle
> graphic (I kept the name "narrowB"). This takes a string of numbers and
> generates the intermediate string and bar code.
>
> -- 2of5 barcode
>
> constant kBarCodeHeight = 69
> constant kBarCodeWidth = 360
> constant kInitialTopLeft = "60,286" -- defines where the first bar is
> placed
> constant kGapBetweenBars = 0
> constant kBarCodeGroupName = "barcode2of5"
>
> local sLast
> local sWideWidth
>
> on mouseUp
>     local tNumberString
>     local tConvertedNumberString
>     local tBarWidth
>
>     set the height of graphic "narrowB" to kBarCodeHeight
>     put field "barcodeNumber" into tNumberString
>
>     -- need a checksum as the last digit?
>     -- put checksumFrom (field "barcodeNumber") after tNumberString
>
>     -- calculate the expected bar widths
>     put convertNumberString(tNumberString) into tConvertedNumberString
>     put barWidthFrom(tConvertedNumberString) into tBarWidth
>     set the width of graphic "narrowB" to tBarWidth
>     put tBarWidth * 2 into sWideWidth
>     makeBarCodeFrom tConvertedNumberString
>     -- add the number string to the barcode if it's not already on the form
>     displayBarCodeNumber
> end mouseUp
>
> function barWidthFrom pNumberString
>     local tHowManyChars
>     local tTestString
>
>     put pNumberString into tTestString
>     replace "n" with empty in tTestString
>     put length (tTestString) + length (pNumberString) into tHowManyChars
>     return kBarCodeWidth / tHowManyChars
> end barWidthFrom
>
> on makeBarCodeFrom pChars
>     local tIsFilled
>
>     lock screen
>     if there is a group kBarCodeGroupName then
>        delete group kBarCodeGroupName
>     end if
>     put empty into sLast
>
>     create group kBarCodeGroupName
>     set the height of group kBarCodeGroupName to kBarCodeHeight
>     set the width of group kBarCodeGroupName to kBarCodeWidth
>     put true into tIsFilled
>     repeat for each char tChar in pChars
>        copy graphic "narrowB" to group kBarCodeGroupName
>        switch tChar
>           case "w"
>              set the width of the last graphic to sWideWidth
>              break
>        end switch
>        if tIsFilled then
>           set the visible of the last graphic to true
>        end if
>        put not tIsFilled into tIsFilled
>        if sLast is empty then
>           set the topleft of the last graphic to kInitialTopLeft
>        else
>           set the topleft of the last graphic to horAdjust(kGapBetweenBars)
>        end if
>        put the short id of the last graphic into sLast -- the id of the
> most recently placed bar
>     end repeat
>
>     unlock screen
> end makeBarCodeFrom
>
> command displayBarCodeNumber
>     copy field "barCodeNumber" to group kBarCodeGroupName
>     set the opaque of the last field to false
>     set the showborder of the last field to false
>     set the textalign of the last field to "center"
>     set the top of the last field to the bottom of group kBarCodeGroupName
>     set the width of the last field to the width of group kBarCodeGroupName
>     set the left of the last field to item 1 of kInitialTopLeft
> end displayBarCodeNumber
>
> function horAdjust pGap
>     local tGap
>
>     put the topright of graphic id sLast into tGap
>     set the itemdelimiter to ","
>     add pGap to item 1 of tGap
>     return tGap
> end horAdjust
>
> local sConversionArray
>
> command initializeConversionArray
>     put "nnWWn" into sConversionArray["0"]
>     put "WnnnW" into sConversionArray["1"]
>     put "nWnnW" into sConversionArray["2"]
>     put "WWnnn" into sConversionArray["3"]
>     put "nnWnW" into sConversionArray["4"]
>     put "WnWnn" into sConversionArray["5"]
>     put "nWWnn" into sConversionArray["6"]
>     put "nnnWW" into sConversionArray["7"]
>     put "WnnWn" into sConversionArray["8"]
>     put "nWnWn" into sConversionArray["9"]
> end initializeConversionArray
>
> function convertNumberString pNumberString
>     local tWidthString
>     local tString1, tString2
>     local x, y
>
>     initializeConversionArray
>     put "nnnn" into tWidthString -- four-bar start code
>     if the number of chars in pNumberString mod 2 is 1 then
>        put "0" before pNumberString
>     end if
>     -- need to interleave two chars at a time
>     repeat with x=1 to length (pNumberString) step 2
>        put sConversionArray[char x of pNumberString] into tString1
>        put sConversionArray[char x+1 of pNumberString] into tString2
>        repeat with y=1 to 5
>           put char y of tString1 & char y of tString2 after tWidthString
>        end repeat
>     end repeat
>     put "wnn" after tWidthString -- three-bar stop code
>     return tWidthString
> end convertNumberString
>
> function checksumFrom pNumberString
>     local tEvenNumbers, tOddNumbers
>     local tChecksum
>     local tResult
>
>     repeat with x=1 to length (pNumberString) step 2
>        add char x of pNumberString to tOddNumbers
>        add char x+1 of pNumberString to tEvenNumbers
>     end repeat
>     put tOddNumbers * 3 + tEvenNumbers into tChecksum
>     switch tChecksum mod 10
>        case 10
>           put 0 into tResult
>           break
>        default
>           put 10 - (tChecksum mod 10) into tResult
>     end switch
>     return tResult
> end checksumFrom
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 18:33:54 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 22:33:54 +0000
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoV=4OMwmpO5uDY6fcUcPCxEcXwe6rgu+wgn8ScaUfxXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSprqejDZ2ukvH1ijgLv-F3OQLiSRh+G_9ODcV18mTOB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>
	<3de226d6-a780-2c24-d54a-24457e5dd490@sonic.net>
	<CAG1cpSoV=4OMwmpO5uDY6fcUcPCxEcXwe6rgu+wgn8ScaUfxXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A493C57-3444-46EF-B0E9-764169C323B6@iotecdigital.com>

Ugly is beautiful. A quality all it's own. :-)

Bob S


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 15:22 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> BTW wow.  I toss out a short little ugly hunk of code and you all make it
> into something so much better.




From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 20 18:45:56 2018
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 23:45:56 +0100
Subject: LiveCode server IDE - the current state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <2373F5FA-F56C-433A-8198-1A19D08B26D8@me.com>
References: <mailman.272.1532034052.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<2373F5FA-F56C-433A-8198-1A19D08B26D8@me.com>
Message-ID: <6e540a4f-ade6-ebce-6f51-55763d042354@tweedly.net>

Hi Keith,

what I do in the 20 lines isn't very much - most of the work is done 
elsewhere.

I do have a couple of places I don't use revIgniter. Here's a sanitized 
version of what I use there as LC Server script (NB I have sanitized it 
before sending, so there could be typos here - I haven't test it in 
exactly this form)

As you'll see, I keep my standard libraries in a folder 
"libraryscripts", and then individual sites can over-ride those in a 
folder "user/libraryscripts", and can have additional scripts in 
"user/scripts". In an? earlier version I loaded all scripts found in 
these folders; for now I specify which ones I want, but I think I might 
at some point go back to loading every script I find as a librarystack.

I'll have a look at the synch utility to see if it can be similarly 
sanitized and shared.

-- Alex.

<?lc
-- DO NOT USE include OR in-line STATEMENTS or you will lose ability to 
use IDE Tester App
-- NB include siteConfig.lc for site specific content

if there is a file ("user/libraryscripts/main_script.livecode") then
 ? put ("user/libraryscripts/main_script.livecode") into tt
else
 ? put ("libraryscripts/main_script.livecode") into tt
end if
start using stack tt

repeat for each word W in "common forms arrayjson" -- the libraries I 
always need
 ? put W & "_script.livecode" into tFile
 ? if there is a file ("user/libraryscripts" & tFile) then
 ??? put ("user/libraryscripts/" & tFile) into tt
 ? else
 ??? put ("libraryscripts/" & tFile) into tt
 ? end if
 ? start using stack tt
end repeat

put "user/scripts/siteConfig.lc" into tt
if there is a file tt then
 ? start using stack tt
 ? siteConfig
end if

-- and do the command
--?? NB Usage ... www.mydomain.com/standalone.lc?command=dosomething&...
put $_GET["command"] into tCommand
do tCommand



On 20/07/2018 07:58, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks for describing your setup, Alex.
>
> I like the ?work locally as usual, then upload? approach - coupled with the essential 'Did everything synch?' check utility! :-)
>
> The lightweight LCS hub is very appealing (probably without RevIgniter to avoid any additional complexity) to get the basic plumbing connected.
>
> Time to hit the LCS lessons to see if I can replicate what you're achieving with 20-lines, methinks! :-)
> Best,
> Keith
>
>> From: Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Subject: Re: LiveCode server IDE - the current state of the art?
>> Message-ID: <c79f2054-5cc3-5f8c-1f95-2819e9fedfcb at tweedly.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> I have no idea if this is state of the art or not :-) - but here's what
>> I do ...
>>
>>
>> Short answer : the Livecode IDE plus an FTP client (Filezilla).
>>
>> Longer answer :
>>
>> 99% of what I write for the LC server is standard LC - scriptonly
>> stacks, used as library stacks.
>>
>> I have about 20 lines of LCS - just enough to look around and "start
>> using" the relevant librarystacks, and then invoke the top-level
>> handler. (This is actually in a revIgniter controller because I use
>> revIgniter, but the same thing would work even if I didn't).
>>
>> This lets me develop and test most of it in a convenient environment
>> (the IDE, on my own laptop). I keep a copy of the scripts locally, along
>> with enough of the database to do testing. I have a small "test-harness"
>> app that lets me set parameters as though from the URL.
>>
>> All output is done through my own handlers - which then either output on
>> LC Server, or output to log/status/output fields and a browser widget in
>> the test app. All DB access is done through a shim layer which uses
>> Andre's DBLib + sqlite on the laptop and revIgniter's DB Lib + MySQL on
>> the server.
>>
>> I don't use revIgniter's "Views" - I have my own library which provides
>> the equivalent functionality in a way that lets me give website
>> maintainers access to it, without giving them access to anything within
>> revIgniter's 'system' folder.? (This also lets me test on the IDE).
>>
>> I have a variety of ancillary files which I edit with other editors
>> (currently trying out Atom for small changes, but falling back to emacs
>> when there are larger or complex changes to do).
>>
>> Only problem I've run into with this approach is that sometimes I will
>> edit and test a file (or a number of files)? locally, and forget to
>> upload one or some :-(? So I have a small 'sync' app which runs on the
>> laptop, and uses a LC Server script on the website, to flag up any
>> differences in the 'should be identical' files.
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>> On 19/07/2018 08:01, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I?m attempting to engage with LiveCode Server after a couple of years since I last played - when the approach was to roll your own IDE (i.e. pick a text editor) and optionally use the RevIgnitor framework.
>>>
>>> I?d be obliged if anyone could please update me on the current state of the art and share their personal tool-belt preference (target environment is a Linux VPS).
>>> Thanks & regards
>>> Keith
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 20 19:12:48 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 16:12:48 -0700
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoV=4OMwmpO5uDY6fcUcPCxEcXwe6rgu+wgn8ScaUfxXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSprqejDZ2ukvH1ijgLv-F3OQLiSRh+G_9ODcV18mTOB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>
	<3de226d6-a780-2c24-d54a-24457e5dd490@sonic.net>
	<CAG1cpSoV=4OMwmpO5uDY6fcUcPCxEcXwe6rgu+wgn8ScaUfxXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61350087-e55f-eec5-feb0-5c56657af52d@sonic.net>

On 07/20/2018 03:22 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> Hey Mark (or anyone?)
> Feel like writing up a widget for this (with lots of comments) as an
> instructional? (Plus the fact that it'd be a very useful widget in its own
> right)

Heh. I've got a UPC barcode widget, unfortunately there's no way to 
share them via revOnline or whatever. I actually started out modifying 
it to generate 2of5 barcodes as well, but the code ended up being much 
messier than the LCS version, so I stopped.

Seems to happen every time I go down the widget road. Either there's
a) a better, easier way to do it in LCS or
b) a brick wall I run into where LCB isn't up to the task.

So LCS,LCB,LCD,LSD... gotta flip a coin.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 20 18:31:38 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 15:31:38 -0700
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <536F0A7F-1EF2-4499-86CD-08A90110D8D9@iotecdigital.com>
References: <536F0A7F-1EF2-4499-86CD-08A90110D8D9@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <f9a3c348-2ef0-db38-5850-cd23a2f94517@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:
 > So far as I have been able to ascertain, "me" always refers to the
 > original object, and NOT the behavior. As Jacques so helpfully pointed
 > out, "this me" refers to the behavior's own script. So "me" might be
 > thought of as a synonym for "the target" (insofar as I have been able
 > to work it out).

Useful when that's what you want to do, but not something that can help 
for overloading an existing behavior script which expects to able to 
address controls relative to "me".


 > I've been working with nested behaviors for a datagrid the better part
 > of this day, since discovering how to do it, (thank you Bernd for your
 > input on this) and the datagrid default behavior seems to be working
 > as advertised, and behaving exactly as your diagram describes.

IIRC Bernd's suggestion was for global scope only, yes?  That is, it 
swaps the positions of the two bottom scripts shown below, and affects 
all DGs running in the session.

I can't think of another way to do it, but it would be nice to be able 
to overload some DGs while leaving others alone.


 >> On Jul 20, 2018, at 13:26 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>
 >> I just realized why the method most useful for controlling scope 
won't actually work.
 >>
 >> For scoping, we want only some DGs to have custom behavior, so this 
would seem most desirable:
 >>
 >>      [ DataGrid ]
 >>           |
 >>           V
 >>   [ Custom Behavior ]
 >>           |
 >>           V
 >> [ Standard DG Behavior ]
 >>
 >>
 >> Useful as that it for limiting scope, the problem is that much of the
 >> DG code refers to objects within "me", and in this setup "me" refers
 >> to the Custom Behavior object rather than the original DG group.  No
 >> subgroups, fields, or anything else the DG expects to find are
 >> present in the Custom Behavior object, resulting in script errors.
 >>
 >> So the only way I can see this working at all is to toss scope
 >> control out the door and swap the Custom Behavior to be the behavior
 >> object for the Standard DG Behavior, as I believe Panos had suggested
 >> earlier.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 19:34:34 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 23:34:34 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <f9a3c348-2ef0-db38-5850-cd23a2f94517@fourthworld.com>
References: <536F0A7F-1EF2-4499-86CD-08A90110D8D9@iotecdigital.com>
	<f9a3c348-2ef0-db38-5850-cd23a2f94517@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>



> On Jul 20, 2018, at 15:31 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> IIRC Bernd's suggestion was for global scope only, yes?  That is, it swaps the positions of the two bottom scripts shown below, and affects all DGs running in the session. 

Actually no that is why I was saying the syntax was the complete opposite of what you'd expect. Bernd's solution actually produces the results you see in your diagram. The custom behavior is inserted between the datagrid and the default behavior. Odd, huh? But I've spent the better part of the afternoon updating each datagrid in my main form to use a one custom behavior with code common to each, while still preserving the default datagrid behavior. And, until I do that for each datagrid, it's own handlers are still in effect. I tested that by putting a breakpoint at the beginning of each selectionChanged handler, the behavior and the grid. Until I "inserted" the custom behavior, the datagrid verson of selectionChanged is what triggered. 

> I can't think of another way to do it, but it would be nice to be able to overload some DGs while leaving others alone.

See above. :-)

Bob S




From brian at milby7.com  Fri Jul 20 20:02:27 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:02:27 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
References: <536F0A7F-1EF2-4499-86CD-08A90110D8D9@iotecdigital.com>
	<f9a3c348-2ef0-db38-5850-cd23a2f94517@fourthworld.com>
	<6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRahCQwbWbf9ua=qewcAL9O63JH2boD9kYOaWSW99M5u9w@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried a simple test.  I created a stack, added a DG and a button.  I
used the example at the top of this thread to set the behavior.  I then
added another DG to the card.  Now when I double click on either DG, the
new behavior is used.  Is that what you are seeing and what you are
intending?

I saved the stack and quit / restarted LC.

I reopened the test stack.  Now, the new behavior is not applied.
I created a button to apply the behavior and did so (to make the test
easier to replicate).
Again, both DG's get the behavior.

I then created a new stack and added a DG.  It also responded to the added
behavior.  It seems like the scope of that statement is global to me.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2018, at 15:31 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > IIRC Bernd's suggestion was for global scope only, yes?  That is, it
> swaps the positions of the two bottom scripts shown below, and affects all
> DGs running in the session.
>
> Actually no that is why I was saying the syntax was the complete opposite
> of what you'd expect. Bernd's solution actually produces the results you
> see in your diagram. The custom behavior is inserted between the datagrid
> and the default behavior. Odd, huh? But I've spent the better part of the
> afternoon updating each datagrid in my main form to use a one custom
> behavior with code common to each, while still preserving the default
> datagrid behavior. And, until I do that for each datagrid, it's own
> handlers are still in effect. I tested that by putting a breakpoint at the
> beginning of each selectionChanged handler, the behavior and the grid.
> Until I "inserted" the custom behavior, the datagrid verson of
> selectionChanged is what triggered.
>
> > I can't think of another way to do it, but it would be nice to be able
> to overload some DGs while leaving others alone.
>
> See above. :-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 20 20:13:01 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 17:13:01 -0700
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
References: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 >> On Jul 20, 2018, at 15:31 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>
 >> IIRC Bernd's suggestion was for global scope only, yes?  That is, it
 >> swaps the positions of the two bottom scripts shown below, and
 >> affects all DGs running in the session.
 >
 > Actually no that is why I was saying the syntax was the complete
 > opposite of what you'd expect. Bernd's solution actually produces the
 > results you see in your diagram. The custom behavior is inserted
 > between the datagrid and the default behavior. Odd, huh?

Quite, because here's what I found in Bernd's post:

    set the behavior of the behavior of the behavior of group \
      "datagrid 1" to the long id of button "myButtonName"

<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2018-July/248461.html>


This is a normal setup:

      [ DataGrid ]
            |
            V
[ Standard DG Behavior ]


The behavior of grp "DataGrid 1" is the standard LC-supplied DG script.

If we set the behavior of the LC-supplied DG script, we get the opposite 
of my diagram:

      [ DataGrid ]
            |
            V
[ Standard DG Behavior ]
            |
            V
    [ Custom Behavior ]


That would produce an overloading of global scope, since the Standard DG 
behavior drives all DGs, and adding a custom behavior to it would then 
also apply to all DGs.

For reference, here's the diagram I've been using to show the desired 
outcome of limited scope:

       [ DataGrid ]
            |
            V
    [ Custom Behavior ]
            |
            V
[ Standard DG Behavior ]


What am I missing?

Are we talking about the same thing, but I'm writing this where the 
message path flows down and you're missing the arrows and 
conceptualizing this as messages flowing up?

If not that, what is it I'm not seeing?

---

On further consideration, there's something even odder in my 
understanding of Bernd's script.  Let me rewrite it with line breaks for 
clarity:

command:    set the behavior \
obj3:          of the behavior \
obj2:          of the behavior \
obj1:          of group "datagrid 1" \
value:            to the long id of button "myButtonName"

That's a three-deep nesting where AFAIK there are only two objects.

A group named "DataGrid 1" is obj1 there.

It's original behavior is the LC-supplied "Standard DG Behavior" - 
that's obj2.

What is obj3, the object assigned as the behavior to the "Standard DG 
Behavior"?

Can't decide if I've had too much coffee here or too little. :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 20:17:40 2018
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 10:17:40 +1000
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>

Surprised that no one has replied to this so I'll just offer a bit of
advice.  Whilst on the surface your assumption is correct, 64bit will
allow more accuracy than 32 bit, what you need to be aware of is the
same gotchas still apply to 64 bit LC as 32 bit LC.  Try this in the
msg box:

put 283.67-150.00-133.67

you should get 0. Now try this in the msg box:

put 283.67-150.00-133.67=0

You will get 'false' when you know you wanted true;  whether in 32bit
or 64 bit LC (Python, JBScript and some other languages) in some cases
you don't get the answer you know is correct.

The answer can be found in the Dictionary entry for NumberFormat:

Note: Since LiveCode does not use decimal numbers for its internal
calculations (for reasons of speed), the decimal representation of a
number is sometimes slightly off the correct number. For example,
10^-1 is equal to 0.1, but is calculated (to eighteen decimal places)
as 0.100000000000000006. Because of this, setting the numberFormat to
specify many decimal places after the decimal point may produce
unexpected results in a statement that tests for an exact number. To
prevent this, either avoid setting the numberFormat to a value more
precise than you need, or use the abs function instead of the =
operator to test equality:

put abs(283.67-150.00-133.67)=0

but we still don't get the answer we are expecting.

NumberFormat is not the only LC property/command/function that is
effected by the use of 'decimal representation'; trunc is another that
comes to mind.  But as can be seen by my example ALL math within LC is
effected by the way LC treats decimal values.

If you do a search of this mailing list for 'decimal floating point'
you will find plenty of examples of people who have been caught out by
this 'computing gotcha' - again it is not just LC that suffers from
this.  For any and all 'precision' math within LC, be it 32 or 64 bit,
special attention will need to be made to account for these fringe
cases.

Good luck.

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 4:44 AM, Tom Glod via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Hi folks, am I correct to assume that a 64 bit build of livecode will
> enable the engine to do more precise math?  I want to build a tool that
> requires precise division  with really small decimals and multiplication of
> large numbers I want to know the number of digits is can reliably count on
> on both sides of 0, and get 100% accurate result every time.
>
> Thank you for any clarification on this subject. I defer to your greater
> wisdom.
>
> I can't test LC linux on right now, and I don't have a mac ..or i would
> test this myself. :)
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 20 21:20:04 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 18:20:04 -0700
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d7936fc8-3dea-0a43-fee1-bfb3d1740ce9@sonic.net>

I'm surprised there wasn't an answer before this as well. This subject 
comes up every few years.

The engine bitness won't affect math results. The standard library used 
for math will fail beyond the scope at both ends and you'll end up doing 
the math yourself with strings if you need more accuracy.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 21:23:17 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 01:23:17 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
References: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
	<19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <75418E19-060F-49A0-83F6-425E3FE42D6F@iotecdigital.com>

There are three objects including the custom behavior button. 

Bob S


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 17:13 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On further consideration, there's something even odder in my understanding of Bernd's script.  Let me rewrite it with line breaks for clarity:
> 
> command:    set the behavior \
> obj3:          of the behavior \
> obj2:          of the behavior \
> obj1:          of group "datagrid 1" \
> value:            to the long id of button "myButtonName"
> 
> That's a three-deep nesting where AFAIK there are only two objects.




From paul at researchware.com  Fri Jul 20 21:26:00 2018
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 21:26:00 -0400
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <d7936fc8-3dea-0a43-fee1-bfb3d1740ce9@sonic.net>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
	<d7936fc8-3dea-0a43-fee1-bfb3d1740ce9@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4f14dcd4-790b-8bfd-ff15-125e5393025e@researchware.com>

On 7/20/2018 9:20 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> I'm surprised there wasn't an answer before this as well. This subject
> comes up every few years.
>
> The engine bitness won't affect math results. The standard library
> used for math will fail beyond the scope at both ends and you'll end
> up doing the math yourself with strings if you need more accuracy.
>

There have been enhancement requests in the past (I think) for a more
precise math library that the IEEE or to add Binary Coded Decimal (BCD)
math to LC. I can't seem to find them in the Quality Center just now though.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 21:26:53 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 01:26:53 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
References: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
	<19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <97A1D8E4-05F6-4502-9358-523724BF1226@iotecdigital.com>

The first "behavior" is a reference to the script of the button to be inserted. The other two are because LC moved the datagrid behavior to a script only file, but left the old button (now empty) in the message path. I was thinking that if you inserted a behavior after THAT button but BEFORE the script only stack, THAT would be global. 

Bob S


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 17:13 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>   set the behavior of the behavior of the behavior of group \
>     "datagrid 1" to the long id of button "myButtonName"




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 21:30:24 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 01:30:24 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
References: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
	<19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>

This is NOT the current normal behavior. 

> On Jul 20, 2018, at 17:13 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> This is a normal setup:
> 
>     [ DataGrid ]
>           |
>           V
> [ Standard DG Behavior ]


THIS is:

>     [ DataGrid ]
>           |
>           V
> [ Old behavior button (now empty) ]
>           |
>           V
> [ new behavior script only stack (now with the old script) ]




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 21:32:38 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 01:32:38 +0000
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <828ED697-CBAF-4F73-B180-193DD031A92D@iotecdigital.com>

Wouldn't it be great if we could forgo the speed in lieu of accuracy? I mean, how could you develop an accounting application you could trust with this caveat?

Bob S


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 17:17 , Kay C Lan via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Surprised that no one has replied to this so I'll just offer a bit of
> advice.  Whilst on the surface your assumption is correct, 64bit will
> allow more accuracy than 32 bit, what you need to be aware of is the
> same gotchas still apply to 64 bit LC as 32 bit LC.  Try this in the
> msg box:
> 
> put 283.67-150.00-133.67
> 
> you should get 0. Now try this in the msg box:
> 
> put 283.67-150.00-133.67=0
> 
> You will get 'false' when you know you wanted true;  whether in 32bit
> or 64 bit LC (Python, JBScript and some other languages) in some cases
> you don't get the answer you know is correct.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 21:41:21 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 01:41:21 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
	<19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
	<B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <FC8B0C39-8513-4B6E-AFA3-21BC8E3B3597@iotecdigital.com>

OKAY HUGE BUG ALERT!!! 

It seems that even though I save the stack after setting this behavior, Livecode RESETS THE DATAGRID BEHAVIOR TO THE DEFAULT!!!!!

What the EFF? Of course I can get around it with a custom openCard handler that resets them, (and in the words of Malthesar when discovering that the Historical Records they have based their entire civilization on were all lies), but WHYYYYY?

Bob S




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 21:42:23 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 01:42:23 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <FC8B0C39-8513-4B6E-AFA3-21BC8E3B3597@iotecdigital.com>
References: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
	<19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
	<B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<FC8B0C39-8513-4B6E-AFA3-21BC8E3B3597@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5F5F93B1-2056-4793-B053-408DBDA429DF@iotecdigital.com>

I should have said, after closing the stack, and quitting/relaunching Livecode.

Bob S


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 18:41 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It seems that even though I save the stack after setting this behavior, Livecode RESETS THE DATAGRID BEHAVIOR TO THE DEFAULT!!!!!




From paul at researchware.com  Fri Jul 20 21:45:59 2018
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 21:45:59 -0400
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <d7936fc8-3dea-0a43-fee1-bfb3d1740ce9@sonic.net>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
	<d7936fc8-3dea-0a43-fee1-bfb3d1740ce9@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <db3a1866-ac83-7c60-051b-1abcb7d3b319@researchware.com>

On 7/20/2018 9:20 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> I'm surprised there wasn't an answer before this as well. This subject
> comes up every few years.
>
> The engine bitness won't affect math results. The standard library
> used for math will fail beyond the scope at both ends and you'll end
> up doing the math yourself with strings if you need more accuracy.
>
Found it. By the LC CTO himself.

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9349




From paul at researchware.com  Fri Jul 20 21:47:58 2018
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 21:47:58 -0400
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <d7936fc8-3dea-0a43-fee1-bfb3d1740ce9@sonic.net>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
	<d7936fc8-3dea-0a43-fee1-bfb3d1740ce9@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <0e91a2b8-0e82-4d03-1cee-60bdf98d3ba8@researchware.com>

On 7/20/2018 9:20 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> I'm surprised there wasn't an answer before this as well. This subject
> comes up every few years.
>
> The engine bitness won't affect math results. The standard library
> used for math will fail beyond the scope at both ends and you'll end
> up doing the math yourself with strings if you need more accuracy.
>
And this one: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12440




From tom at makeshyft.com  Fri Jul 20 21:54:45 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 21:54:45 -0400
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <828ED697-CBAF-4F73-B180-193DD031A92D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
	<828ED697-CBAF-4F73-B180-193DD031A92D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKRzKdgV5GXvSgkXXmiCnxObBsSmcqshaiuQ5AyUtKO6w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Kay for your detailed answer and everyone who chimed in
afterwards..... will have to read it all a couple of times.... ..... i
definitely have to do some tests in this regard and see how many decimal
points i really need......., but I'm not surprised that the answer is not
straight forward ..... lol...... i wish i could explain the use case
better, but i have some way to go before i can explain it . seems like lots
of workarounds available, so i think the coast is clear.





On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 9:32 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Wouldn't it be great if we could forgo the speed in lieu of accuracy? I
> mean, how could you develop an accounting application you could trust with
> this caveat?
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2018, at 17:17 , Kay C Lan via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Surprised that no one has replied to this so I'll just offer a bit of
> > advice.  Whilst on the surface your assumption is correct, 64bit will
> > allow more accuracy than 32 bit, what you need to be aware of is the
> > same gotchas still apply to 64 bit LC as 32 bit LC.  Try this in the
> > msg box:
> >
> > put 283.67-150.00-133.67
> >
> > you should get 0. Now try this in the msg box:
> >
> > put 283.67-150.00-133.67=0
> >
> > You will get 'false' when you know you wanted true;  whether in 32bit
> > or 64 bit LC (Python, JBScript and some other languages) in some cases
> > you don't get the answer you know is correct.
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 22:05:11 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 02:05:11 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <FC8B0C39-8513-4B6E-AFA3-21BC8E3B3597@iotecdigital.com>
References: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
	<19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
	<B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<FC8B0C39-8513-4B6E-AFA3-21BC8E3B3597@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <35209414-E81A-436E-A835-98F5983895CD@iotecdigital.com>

Okay my workaround is to have a custom property with the name of all the datagrids on a card in a custom property. Then in the openStack handler of the card I have:

setMainCardBehaviors

In the same script I have:

on setMainCardBehaviors
   put the long id of me into tParentCard
   put the gridnames of this card into tGridList
   
   repeat for each item tGridName in tGridList
      if not there is a group tGridName of tParentCard then next repeat
      put the long id of group tGridName of tParentCard into tGridID
      set the behavior of the behavior of the behavior of tGridID \
            to the long id of button "maingrids" of card "Behaviors" of this stack
   end repeat
end setMainCardBehaviors

Essentially I have to set the custom behavior of every grid on a card the first time I open it. I think this is a bug, but it may be the intended behavior. Only the LC overseers can answer that. 

Bob S


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 18:41 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> OKAY HUGE BUG ALERT!!! 
> 
> It seems that even though I save the stack after setting this behavior, Livecode RESETS THE DATAGRID BEHAVIOR TO THE DEFAULT!!!!!
> 
> What the EFF? Of course I can get around it with a custom openCard handler that resets them, (and in the words of Malthesar when discovering that the Historical Records they have based their entire civilization on were all lies), but WHYYYYY?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 20 22:15:34 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 02:15:34 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <35209414-E81A-436E-A835-98F5983895CD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
	<19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
	<B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<FC8B0C39-8513-4B6E-AFA3-21BC8E3B3597@iotecdigital.com>
	<35209414-E81A-436E-A835-98F5983895CD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8127AF80-8AD6-4815-AE40-897638966DAD@iotecdigital.com>

<Sigh> belay all that. Apparently I have to get the behavior of the behavior of the ehavior of the datagrid. THAT seems to correctly return the id of the custom button. But the datagrids do not seem to work after a close and reopen of the stack, unless I use this workaround. So there is still something wrong with the nested behavior of a datagrid. 

Bob S


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 19:05 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Okay my workaround is to have a custom property with the name of all the datagrids on a card in a custom property. Then in the openStack handler of the card I have:
> 
> setMainCardBehaviors
> 
> In the same script I have:
> 
> on setMainCardBehaviors
>   put the long id of me into tParentCard
>   put the gridnames of this card into tGridList
> 
>   repeat for each item tGridName in tGridList
>      if not there is a group tGridName of tParentCard then next repeat
>      put the long id of group tGridName of tParentCard into tGridID
>      set the behavior of the behavior of the behavior of tGridID \
>            to the long id of button "maingrids" of card "Behaviors" of this stack
>   end repeat
> end setMainCardBehaviors
> 
> Essentially I have to set the custom behavior of every grid on a card the first time I open it. I think this is a bug, but it may be the intended behavior. Only the LC overseers can answer that. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2018, at 18:41 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> OKAY HUGE BUG ALERT!!! 
>> 
>> It seems that even though I save the stack after setting this behavior, Livecode RESETS THE DATAGRID BEHAVIOR TO THE DEFAULT!!!!!
>> 
>> What the EFF? Of course I can get around it with a custom openCard handler that resets them, (and in the words of Malthesar when discovering that the Historical Records they have based their entire civilization on were all lies), but WHYYYYY?
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Jul 20 22:28:18 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 21:28:18 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <8127AF80-8AD6-4815-AE40-897638966DAD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <6FD9811D-C8A3-4DEF-A2A6-BEC8B4330299@iotecdigital.com>
	<19c30ea3-7dd5-b281-d8d2-676e164db3ed@fourthworld.com>
	<B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<FC8B0C39-8513-4B6E-AFA3-21BC8E3B3597@iotecdigital.com>
	<35209414-E81A-436E-A835-98F5983895CD@iotecdigital.com>
	<8127AF80-8AD6-4815-AE40-897638966DAD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYjQZPiZ1tEE4-2QKh7K7AWqQVDCKgiVFMVnehRHJJq3w@mail.gmail.com>

It is not a bug.  You can't save a behavior on a script only stack, they
much be added after they loaded.  There is a new syntax to make it
automatic, but that wouldn't help here.

In the IDE, enable "Show IDE stacks in lists", open the Project Browser.
Find revdatagridlibrarybehaviorsdatagridbuttonbehavior and notice the extra
number beside it
Open the PI for the stack and go to the advanced tab.
I'm guessing you will see the long ID of the button there.
(Or you could click on the number in the oval and see your script)

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 9:15 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> <Sigh> belay all that. Apparently I have to get the behavior of the
> behavior of the ehavior of the datagrid. THAT seems to correctly return the
> id of the custom button. But the datagrids do not seem to work after a
> close and reopen of the stack, unless I use this workaround. So there is
> still something wrong with the nested behavior of a datagrid.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2018, at 19:05 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Okay my workaround is to have a custom property with the name of all the
> datagrids on a card in a custom property. Then in the openStack handler of
> the card I have:
> >
> > setMainCardBehaviors
> >
> > In the same script I have:
> >
> > on setMainCardBehaviors
> >   put the long id of me into tParentCard
> >   put the gridnames of this card into tGridList
> >
> >   repeat for each item tGridName in tGridList
> >      if not there is a group tGridName of tParentCard then next repeat
> >      put the long id of group tGridName of tParentCard into tGridID
> >      set the behavior of the behavior of the behavior of tGridID \
> >            to the long id of button "maingrids" of card "Behaviors" of
> this stack
> >   end repeat
> > end setMainCardBehaviors
> >
> > Essentially I have to set the custom behavior of every grid on a card
> the first time I open it. I think this is a bug, but it may be the intended
> behavior. Only the LC overseers can answer that.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 20, 2018, at 18:41 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> OKAY HUGE BUG ALERT!!!
> >>
> >> It seems that even though I save the stack after setting this behavior,
> Livecode RESETS THE DATAGRID BEHAVIOR TO THE DEFAULT!!!!!
> >>
> >> What the EFF? Of course I can get around it with a custom openCard
> handler that resets them, (and in the words of Malthesar when discovering
> that the Historical Records they have based their entire civilization on
> were all lies), but WHYYYYY?
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
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From jerry at jhjensen.com  Fri Jul 20 22:39:41 2018
From: jerry at jhjensen.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 19:39:41 -0700
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <828ED697-CBAF-4F73-B180-193DD031A92D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
	<828ED697-CBAF-4F73-B180-193DD031A92D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BD618326-A71B-4082-9C4D-6A8F7E1504C4@jhjensen.com>

Just whip out your HP-35. It gets right answers!
.Jerry

> On Jul 20, 2018, at 6:32 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't it be great if we could forgo the speed in lieu of accuracy? I mean, how could you develop an accounting application you could trust with this caveat?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2018, at 17:17 , Kay C Lan via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Surprised that no one has replied to this so I'll just offer a bit of
>> advice.  Whilst on the surface your assumption is correct, 64bit will
>> allow more accuracy than 32 bit, what you need to be aware of is the
>> same gotchas still apply to 64 bit LC as 32 bit LC.  Try this in the
>> msg box:
>> 
>> put 283.67-150.00-133.67
>> 
>> you should get 0. Now try this in the msg box:
>> 
>> put 283.67-150.00-133.67=0
>> 
>> You will get 'false' when you know you wanted true;  whether in 32bit
>> or 64 bit LC (Python, JBScript and some other languages) in some cases
>> you don't get the answer you know is correct.





From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 20 23:03:05 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:03:05 -0700
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <0e91a2b8-0e82-4d03-1cee-60bdf98d3ba8@researchware.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
	<d7936fc8-3dea-0a43-fee1-bfb3d1740ce9@sonic.net>
	<0e91a2b8-0e82-4d03-1cee-60bdf98d3ba8@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <c0091a46-5b64-5335-74f9-b62120d990ae@sonic.net>

On 07/20/2018 06:47 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:

> And this one: https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12440

I'm not sure what a status of 'hibernated' means.
Probably waiting until after something freezes over.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 20 23:06:37 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:06:37 -0700
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <db3a1866-ac83-7c60-051b-1abcb7d3b319@researchware.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
	<d7936fc8-3dea-0a43-fee1-bfb3d1740ce9@sonic.net>
	<db3a1866-ac83-7c60-051b-1abcb7d3b319@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <37a83e29-d43e-d502-2ed6-299b5b7ad884@sonic.net>

On 07/20/2018 06:45 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode wrote:
> On 7/20/2018 9:20 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
>> I'm surprised there wasn't an answer before this as well. This subject
>> comes up every few years.
>>
>> The engine bitness won't affect math results. The standard library
>> used for math will fail beyond the scope at both ends and you'll end
>> up doing the math yourself with strings if you need more accuracy.
>>
> Found it. By the LC CTO himself.
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9349

Ah... from seven years ago.
Not that Rev 4.6.0-dp2 really brings back any memories.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 20 23:12:25 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:12:25 -0700
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <d89d8a62-29e2-1053-85ce-ee196d14df7f@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > This is NOT the current normal behavior.
 >
 >> On Jul 20, 2018, at 17:13 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>
 >> This is a normal setup:
 >>
 >>     [ DataGrid ]
 >>           |
 >>           V
 >> [ Standard DG Behavior ]
 >
 >
 > THIS is:
 >
 >>     [ DataGrid ]
 >>           |
 >>           V
 >> [ Old behavior button (now empty) ]
 >>           |
 >>           V
 >> [ new behavior script only stack (now with the old script) ]

Thank you, Bob. Sad to see another confusing legacy element creep into a 
system designed for ease of use, but understandable under the circumstances.

With that mystery solved, I'm still at a loss to understand how 
attaching a behavior further out in the message path doesn't affect 
everything attached to the behavior before it.

Given this setup with multiple data grids, in which we want custom 
behavior for DG 1 and DG 2:

      [ DG 1 ]    [ DG 2 ]    [ DG 3 ]
          \           |         /
           V          V        V
      [ Old behavior button (now empty) ]
                      |
                      V
[ new behavior script only stack (now with the old script) ]
                      |
                      V
           [ Custom Behavior Script ]


...how can the Custom Behavior Script affect only DG 1 and DG 2 but not 
DG 3?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From kee.nethery at elloco.com  Fri Jul 20 23:38:46 2018
From: kee.nethery at elloco.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:38:46 -0700
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <BD618326-A71B-4082-9C4D-6A8F7E1504C4@jhjensen.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
	<828ED697-CBAF-4F73-B180-193DD031A92D@iotecdigital.com>
	<BD618326-A71B-4082-9C4D-6A8F7E1504C4@jhjensen.com>
Message-ID: <43A8B5F5-E03F-4E67-BF10-09A82B118F75@elloco.com>

On Jul 20, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Jerry Jensen via wrote:
> 
> Just whip out your HP-35. It gets right answers!
> .Jerry

Long ago I sat on a bus at a conference next to the product manager for the HP-35. He said that they ran out of a part that was no longer made and had to re-design the board to use new modern components. The new processor was of course faster and so when it did it?s calculations it just instantly gave you the answer. The people that bought the new version, which looked just like the old version, didn?t trust it because it didn?t spend the time that it needed to do the calculations. Obviously there was something wrong. 

It was such a big support problem that they had to re-design it and have it mimic the old version where it sits there and looks like it?s thinking for a while before it gave you the answer. 

They swapped all of the brand new fast ones for the new slow ones and everyone was happy. 

Mine is many many decades old and about a decade ago it stopped working so I called the support number just to see if anyone would answer and sure enough there was someone who answered that phone number. The number was probably four decades old and they figured out what my problem was. That?s a pretty successful product.

Kee Nethery 



From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jul 21 00:26:52 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 23:26:52 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <d89d8a62-29e2-1053-85ce-ee196d14df7f@fourthworld.com>
References: <B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<d89d8a62-29e2-1053-85ce-ee196d14df7f@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRY-ho_xgr4SqiBCepjVDx-1O4KsUpmksF7KQkAXVus0ow@mail.gmail.com>

@Richard,
That is precisely what I saw when I did my test.  (And DG3 was in a
different stack.)
I tried manually replacing the old button with one in the stack and that
completely broke the DG.

@Bob
Another option to get script in front of the library would be to set the
script of:
button id 1005 of stack "revDataGridLibrary"
That still wouldn't save with the stack though.



On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
> > This is NOT the current normal behavior.
> >
> >> On Jul 20, 2018, at 17:13 , Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> This is a normal setup:
> >>
> >>     [ DataGrid ]
> >>           |
> >>           V
> >> [ Standard DG Behavior ]
> >
> >
> > THIS is:
> >
> >>     [ DataGrid ]
> >>           |
> >>           V
> >> [ Old behavior button (now empty) ]
> >>           |
> >>           V
> >> [ new behavior script only stack (now with the old script) ]
>
> Thank you, Bob. Sad to see another confusing legacy element creep into a
> system designed for ease of use, but understandable under the circumstances.
>
> With that mystery solved, I'm still at a loss to understand how attaching
> a behavior further out in the message path doesn't affect everything
> attached to the behavior before it.
>
> Given this setup with multiple data grids, in which we want custom
> behavior for DG 1 and DG 2:
>
>      [ DG 1 ]    [ DG 2 ]    [ DG 3 ]
>          \           |         /
>           V          V        V
>      [ Old behavior button (now empty) ]
>                      |
>                      V
> [ new behavior script only stack (now with the old script) ]
>                      |
>                      V
>           [ Custom Behavior Script ]
>
>
> ...how can the Custom Behavior Script affect only DG 1 and DG 2 but not DG
> 3?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Jul 21 00:50:22 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 21:50:22 -0700
Subject: 64 bit LC
In-Reply-To: <43A8B5F5-E03F-4E67-BF10-09A82B118F75@elloco.com>
References: <CAPzQJLJU9DFaun+RnKyKhiSn7pMOCjwv3wMYy1W=V9bKdQkjGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgZjjFFJBJvH4+HqyuoQF+o1ZAV0iq+EB6ZgTwJto6spg@mail.gmail.com>
	<828ED697-CBAF-4F73-B180-193DD031A92D@iotecdigital.com>
	<BD618326-A71B-4082-9C4D-6A8F7E1504C4@jhjensen.com>
	<43A8B5F5-E03F-4E67-BF10-09A82B118F75@elloco.com>
Message-ID: <ff6f4078-9d4f-7761-9be5-1387069d2c78@sonic.net>

HP was designing these things before there was math.
Sad what has happened to the company. I'd like to blame Fiorina for the 
mess but she only took a bad thing and made it worse.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sat Jul 21 07:42:33 2018
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 11:42:33 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
Message-ID: <41454024-0F54-4DB6-B086-9FF1620110AC@uni-wh.de>

Bob,

I also found that changing the behavior of group "dataGrid x" does not stick and after restart you have to set it again.

However if you want to use the convenience of a behavior you could set in your case as far as user interaction via doubleMouseUp is concerned you could set the behavior of group "dgListMask" of group "dataGrid x" to the button of your mouseDoubleUp handler. That will save the behavior with the specific group "dataGrid x" and you would only have to assign this  once to that group. If you want to go that route be careful to choose a control inside a specific dataGrid that has not already a behavior assigned.
e.g. group "dgList" of group "dataGrid x" already has a behavior assigned. In my testing this works for mouseDoubleUp

-----------------------
on mouseDoubleUp
   put the long name of the target into tTarget
   if tTarget begins with "field" then put the text of tTarget & cr & tTarget
   else put tTarget -- does not trigger
   pass mouseDoubleUp
end mouseDoubleUp
----------------------- 

Maybe that is an easier way to solve the global scope problem you get when modifiying the behaviors of the group "dataGrid x" and also of "stickiness"

Kind regards
Bernd


From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Jul 21 09:31:34 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 09:31:34 -0400
Subject: adding a Shared (Background) Group after the fact
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLK8Dafac4NcO_xxO8nAFrmQWedH9=hno6wiJ4zGwk1-2A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks, I failed to think my stack through ahead of time and forgot to
add a shared group to my first card before I made the other cards.....

Is there a way to do that afterwards? and have a new group shared on all
the cards?

Copying a shared group to existing cards doesn't seem to create an
instance.

Thank you


From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jul 21 09:34:10 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 08:34:10 -0500
Subject: adding a Shared (Background) Group after the fact
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLK8Dafac4NcO_xxO8nAFrmQWedH9=hno6wiJ4zGwk1-2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLK8Dafac4NcO_xxO8nAFrmQWedH9=hno6wiJ4zGwk1-2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebbc6684-e2e8-4228-812f-1ed4242fea60@Spark>

>From the object menu, select place group.
It can be done in code if you have too many to do by hand.
On Jul 21, 2018, 8:32 AM -0500, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> Hi Folks, I failed to think my stack through ahead of time and forgot to
> add a shared group to my first card before I made the other cards.....
>
> Is there a way to do that afterwards? and have a new group shared on all
> the cards?
>
> Copying a shared group to existing cards doesn't seem to create an
> instance.
>
> Thank you
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jul 21 09:37:17 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 15:37:17 +0200
Subject: adding a Shared (Background) Group after the fact
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLK8Dafac4NcO_xxO8nAFrmQWedH9=hno6wiJ4zGwk1-2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLK8Dafac4NcO_xxO8nAFrmQWedH9=hno6wiJ4zGwk1-2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53F800B1-C4C2-408D-B3C8-B38EC0B95EE0@major-k.de>

Hi Tom,

> Am 21.07.2018 um 15:31 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Folks, I failed to think my stack through ahead of time and forgot to
> add a shared group to my first card before I made the other cards.....
> 
> Is there a way to do that afterwards? and have a new group shared on all
> the cards?
> 
> Copying a shared group to existing cards doesn't seem to create an
> instance.

No, that will produce a COPY of the group, as the name "copying" suggests :-)

Go to your first card and then select menu: 
Object -> Place Group -> Name of your group

That's it.

You can also do this by script:
...
place bg "name of your group here" onto card 1
...

> Thank you

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From tom at makeshyft.com  Sat Jul 21 09:52:36 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 09:52:36 -0400
Subject: adding a Shared (Background) Group after the fact
In-Reply-To: <53F800B1-C4C2-408D-B3C8-B38EC0B95EE0@major-k.de>
References: <CAPzQJLK8Dafac4NcO_xxO8nAFrmQWedH9=hno6wiJ4zGwk1-2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<53F800B1-C4C2-408D-B3C8-B38EC0B95EE0@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJDC+b5zj6-_jtomer7tOOdbz-J+xBr_20saX2OH7tepA@mail.gmail.com>

thank you gentlemen!

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> > Am 21.07.2018 um 15:31 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Hi Folks, I failed to think my stack through ahead of time and forgot to
> > add a shared group to my first card before I made the other cards.....
> >
> > Is there a way to do that afterwards? and have a new group shared on all
> > the cards?
> >
> > Copying a shared group to existing cards doesn't seem to create an
> > instance.
>
> No, that will produce a COPY of the group, as the name "copying" suggests
> :-)
>
> Go to your first card and then select menu:
> Object -> Place Group -> Name of your group
>
> That's it.
>
> You can also do this by script:
> ...
> place bg "name of your group here" onto card 1
> ...
>
> > Thank you
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jul 21 11:24:39 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 10:24:39 -0500
Subject: Help with Bug #19550: Add support for symlinks to standalone
	builder
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPHCAuj9FUqXR+QOvQ6u-EnoRQmMau9QG4g4K9Hs+AFDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHg3tG8XQh01Ugm15n1v-jfTQX9QSVkMEwLsKEGGeXwL75q8TQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPHCAuj9FUqXR+QOvQ6u-EnoRQmMau9QG4g4K9Hs+AFDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZW3jjhv6=0YrS3LtDJfiEyYonh85Qz+iL8BojiPTGcpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Doing a little digging on this.

I'm pretty sure this impacts iOS in the same was as MacOS.

private command __revSBCopyFolder
User and group is copied if MacOS, but not Linux

private command __revSBCopyFile
Probably good that links are handled as files, because they technically are.

Prior to line 351 (probably 348), some code will be needed to determine if
we are currently dealing with a symbolic link.  On Linux, aliasReference
seems to work properly where on MacOS it only works for an actual alias
(returns empty for a symbolic link).  On MacOS, I'm seeing the type is
actually "rhapslnk" for symbolic links and "MACSalis" for an alias (if
others can confirm, I can use my code below).  Not sure about Windows.  So
something like this:

put (the platform is "macos" and (tFileType is "rhapslnk" or tFileType is
"MACSalis") \
    or (the platform is "linux" and aliasReference(pSourceFile) is not
pSourceFile) into tFileIsLink
    -- this does count on pSourceFile being an absolute link

I think that the problem is that LC is attempting to copy links like it
would a binary file which is what is causing the issue.  Lines 351-396 need
to be wrapped in another if statement that properly handles symbolic links.

if tFileIsLink then
   -- handle link
else
   -- existing code from 351-396
end if

The easy way would be to just copy the symbolic link directly without
validation.  For relative symbolic links within the copied folder
structure, this should be fine.  If the symbolic links point outside of the
copied structure (i.e. they are absolute to somewhere else in the file
system), then there could be an issue with the distributed app.  The
problem is that at the point of the copy, you don't have the full path of
the destination application (just the file itself), so we can't check and
be sure that the link points inside the app (unless pSettings is an array
that has that info).  We could check to be sure it is on the same volume
fairly easily.  I think it would be good to just flag it as a warning
instead of an error that halts the build, but would need to dig a bit to
see if/how that is possible.

@Mike
I don't think the links should be traversed at all, but maintained in the
destination app.

@Trevor
If I put together an updated file, could you test to see if my solution
works for you?  I just need to make sure I'm copying the link correctly and
also figure out what to do on Windows.

Thanks,
Brian


On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> A couple of thoughts:
> 1) There might be cases where symlinks should not be traversed, so there
> probably should be an option to traverse or not
> 2) There are probably going to be cases where the symlinks are recursive.
> I think there should definitely be an option to resolve those.
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I?m writing this email to see if there is someone who can pitch in and
> > implement a fix for bug 19550 [1]. The issue is that the the copy folder
> > command that the LC standalone builder uses does not support symlinks.
> > While this hasn?t been a significant problem in the past, it has now
> become
> > one because LiveCode Builder (LCB) code can link to .frameworks on macOS
> > using the Foreign Function Interface (FFI) feature in LiveCode 9.
> >
> > As an example, I?ve been working on an LCB wrapper around Sparkle [2] and
> > on another around MASShortcut [3]. In both cases the .framework needs to
> be
> > distributed with the LCB library. The Standalone Builder does not create
> a
> > proper copy of the .framework and the code will fail in a standalone.
> >
> > Here is a link to the source code on GitHub that needs to be updated:
> >
> >
> > https://github.com/livecode/livecode/blob/e6955bb9dc517ba4c5c2da422deb5e
> 16627ebf1f/ide-support/revsblibrary.livecodescript#L215
> >
> > If someone is able to step in and modify the existing code to support
> > symlinks then others would be able to start distributing extensions that
> > use .frameworks on macOS. I haven?t verified whether or not this affects
> > iOS but it may.
> >
> > [1] https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19550
> > [2] https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-sparkle
> > [3] https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-masshortcut
> >
> > --
> > Trevor DeVore
> > ScreenSteps
> > www.screensteps.com
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>
>
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Jul 21 11:58:36 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 08:58:36 -0700
Subject: Help with Bug #19550: Add support for symlinks to standalone
	builder
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZW3jjhv6=0YrS3LtDJfiEyYonh85Qz+iL8BojiPTGcpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHg3tG8XQh01Ugm15n1v-jfTQX9QSVkMEwLsKEGGeXwL75q8TQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPHCAuj9FUqXR+QOvQ6u-EnoRQmMau9QG4g4K9Hs+AFDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRZW3jjhv6=0YrS3LtDJfiEyYonh85Qz+iL8BojiPTGcpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01152d19-a69f-1f41-f81c-ecc7b8b30f95@sonic.net>

Brian-

Here's the code I use in PowerTools to determine in a cross-platform way 
whether a filespec is a file or a folder. The Windows code is pretty 
stupid, just looking at the file extension, but I couldn't think of a 
better way to figure it out. HTH.

/**
* ----------------------------------------
* IsFolder
*
* Determine whether the given filespec is a folder (true) or a file (false)
* @pFileSpec : path reference to a folder or file
* ----------------------------------------
*/
private function isFolder pFileSpec
    local tIsFolder
    local tFile, tFiles
    local tTarget
    local tData
    local tAlias
    local tDefaultFolder

    put false into tIsFolder
    if there is a folder pFileSpec then
       -- see if it's an LC8 extension
       put FilesOfFolder(pFileSpec) into tFiles
       filter tFiles with "*.lcm"
       if tFiles is empty then
          -- not an extension, it's a real folder
          put true into tIsFolder
       end if
    else
       -- must be a file reference
       put aliasreference(pFileSpec) into tAlias
       switch the platform
          case "Win32"
             -- aliasreference returns empty on OSX, filespec on linux
             if tAlias is not empty and tAlias is not pFileSpec then
                if IsFolder(tAlias) then
                   put true into tIsFolder
                else
                   put false into tIsFolder
                end if
             end if
             break
          case "MacOS"
             -- ignore Windows link files
             if char -4 to -1 of pFileSpec is ".lnk" then
                put false into tIsFolder
             end if
             break
          case "linux"
             -- ignore Windows link files
             if char -4 to -1 of pFileSpec is ".lnk" then
                put false into tIsFolder
             else
                put shell("ls -l" && quote & pFileSpec & quote) into tFile
                if char 1 of tFile is "l" then
                   set the itemdelimiter to ">"
                   put item -1 of tFile into tTarget
                   if the number of lines in tTarget > 1 then
                      put true into tIsFolder
                   end if
                end if
             end if
       end switch
    end if
    return tIsFolder
end isFolder

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Jul 21 11:59:42 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 10:59:42 -0500
Subject: Help with Bug #19550: Add support for symlinks to standalone
	builder
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZW3jjhv6=0YrS3LtDJfiEyYonh85Qz+iL8BojiPTGcpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHg3tG8XQh01Ugm15n1v-jfTQX9QSVkMEwLsKEGGeXwL75q8TQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPHCAuj9FUqXR+QOvQ6u-EnoRQmMau9QG4g4K9Hs+AFDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRZW3jjhv6=0YrS3LtDJfiEyYonh85Qz+iL8BojiPTGcpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG-ZjT=4wNWs+VLW0zgWD9XqpYeVz7sa=cxMeJPGOgkLbA@mail.gmail.com>

Brian,

I can definitely test it out. I wouldn?t worry about symbolic links outside
the folder right now. I don?t believe it affects .frameworks.

-- 
Trevor DeVore

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:24 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Doing a little digging on this.
>
> I'm pretty sure this impacts iOS in the same was as MacOS.
>
> private command __revSBCopyFolder
> User and group is copied if MacOS, but not Linux
>
> private command __revSBCopyFile
> Probably good that links are handled as files, because they technically
> are.
>
> Prior to line 351 (probably 348), some code will be needed to determine if
> we are currently dealing with a symbolic link.  On Linux, aliasReference
> seems to work properly where on MacOS it only works for an actual alias
> (returns empty for a symbolic link).  On MacOS, I'm seeing the type is
> actually "rhapslnk" for symbolic links and "MACSalis" for an alias (if
> others can confirm, I can use my code below).  Not sure about Windows.  So
> something like this:
>
> put (the platform is "macos" and (tFileType is "rhapslnk" or tFileType is
> "MACSalis") \
>     or (the platform is "linux" and aliasReference(pSourceFile) is not
> pSourceFile) into tFileIsLink
>     -- this does count on pSourceFile being an absolute link
>
> I think that the problem is that LC is attempting to copy links like it
> would a binary file which is what is causing the issue.  Lines 351-396 need
> to be wrapped in another if statement that properly handles symbolic links.
>
> if tFileIsLink then
>    -- handle link
> else
>    -- existing code from 351-396
> end if
>
> The easy way would be to just copy the symbolic link directly without
> validation.  For relative symbolic links within the copied folder
> structure, this should be fine.  If the symbolic links point outside of the
> copied structure (i.e. they are absolute to somewhere else in the file
> system), then there could be an issue with the distributed app.  The
> problem is that at the point of the copy, you don't have the full path of
> the destination application (just the file itself), so we can't check and
> be sure that the link points inside the app (unless pSettings is an array
> that has that info).  We could check to be sure it is on the same volume
> fairly easily.  I think it would be good to just flag it as a warning
> instead of an error that halts the build, but would need to dig a bit to
> see if/how that is possible.
>
> @Mike
> I don't think the links should be traversed at all, but maintained in the
> destination app.
>
> @Trevor
> If I put together an updated file, could you test to see if my solution
> works for you?  I just need to make sure I'm copying the link correctly and
> also figure out what to do on Windows.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > A couple of thoughts:
> > 1) There might be cases where symlinks should not be traversed, so there
> > probably should be an option to traverse or not
> > 2) There are probably going to be cases where the symlinks are recursive.
> > I think there should definitely be an option to resolve those.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I?m writing this email to see if there is someone who can pitch in and
> > > implement a fix for bug 19550 [1]. The issue is that the the copy
> folder
> > > command that the LC standalone builder uses does not support symlinks.
> > > While this hasn?t been a significant problem in the past, it has now
> > become
> > > one because LiveCode Builder (LCB) code can link to .frameworks on
> macOS
> > > using the Foreign Function Interface (FFI) feature in LiveCode 9.
> > >
> > > As an example, I?ve been working on an LCB wrapper around Sparkle [2]
> and
> > > on another around MASShortcut [3]. In both cases the .framework needs
> to
> > be
> > > distributed with the LCB library. The Standalone Builder does not
> create
> > a
> > > proper copy of the .framework and the code will fail in a standalone.
> > >
> > > Here is a link to the source code on GitHub that needs to be updated:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode/blob/e6955bb9dc517ba4c5c2da422deb5e
> > 16627ebf1f/ide-support/revsblibrary.livecodescript#L215
> > >
> > > If someone is able to step in and modify the existing code to support
> > > symlinks then others would be able to start distributing extensions
> that
> > > use .frameworks on macOS. I haven?t verified whether or not this
> affects
> > > iOS but it may.
> > >
> > > [1] https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19550
> > > [2] https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-sparkle
> > > [3] https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-masshortcut
> > >
> > > --
> > > Trevor DeVore
> > > ScreenSteps
> > > www.screensteps.com
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> >
> >
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> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Sat Jul 21 14:29:17 2018
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 18:29:17 +0000
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <3B0A3A5A-3140-45A9-81E5-CE30131B57F0@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
	<385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
	<C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>
	<3B0A3A5A-3140-45A9-81E5-CE30131B57F0@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <403DA403-DBCB-4B00-A425-121F18BFBFE3@clearvisiontech.com>

So, I tried to revert back to 9.0.0 because my client is pretty pissed that we?ve missed our deadline.  Unfortunately, when I save as standalone in 9.0.0, and try to install it on a device, the device reports that ?the package appears to be corrupt?.  I tried changing the build number (as Jacque suggested in a related thread (https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=29624)), but that did not solve the problem.   Is there something I need to do to the stack to revert back to 9.0.0 from 9.0.1?  

FYI, I did all the obvious things like reset the standalone settings, uninstall the old app on the phone, etc.

At this point, I would be grateful for ANY advice.

-Dan
 

On 7/20/18, 6:27 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Monte,
    
    Thanks!   I have a client waiting? should I revert back to 9.0.0?  Or is there a 9.0.1 rc2 coming SOON?
    
    -Dan
    
    
    On 7/19/18, 5:17 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    
        Hi Dan
        
        A little update. 
        
        The bug report is here: 
        https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434>
        
        The PR for the fix is here:
        https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610 <https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610>
        
        Cheers
        
        Monte
        
        > On 20 Jul 2018, at 9:54 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
        > 
        > Hi Dan
        > 
        > This looks like a regression from the large number of acceleratedRendering related patches that went into 9.0.1 rc 1. I am looking into it as it will be a blocker for 9.0.1-rc-2.
        > 
        > Cheers
        > 
        > Monte
        > 
        >> On 20 Jul 2018, at 4:13 am, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
        >> 
        >> Hello!
        >> 
        >> Using LC 9.0.1 (rc1), on android only, if I have acceleratedRendering on, the effect is not applied when doing this:
        >> 
        >> lock screen for visual effect
        >> //do something
        >> unlock screen with visual effect wipe left //any effect fails
        >> 
        >> However, if acceleratedRendering is off, the visual effect is applied.
        >> 
        >> Any thoughts?
        >> 
        >> 
        >> -Dan
        >> 
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From RayHorsley at mail.com  Sat Jul 21 15:32:34 2018
From: RayHorsley at mail.com (Ray)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 15:32:34 -0400
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <403DA403-DBCB-4B00-A425-121F18BFBFE3@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
	<385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
	<C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>
	<3B0A3A5A-3140-45A9-81E5-CE30131B57F0@clearvisiontech.com>
	<403DA403-DBCB-4B00-A425-121F18BFBFE3@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <b3a899d5-c42b-4f9a-a0b8-b435163144e0@mail.com>

Are you having this problem only on other users' Macs?? If so then 
you've run into the same Apple induced problem I posted about a month 
ago.? It only happens when you distribute to others using MacOS 10.12 or 
higher.


On 7/21/2018 2:29 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:
> So, I tried to revert back to 9.0.0 because my client is pretty pissed that we?ve missed our deadline.  Unfortunately, when I save as standalone in 9.0.0, and try to install it on a device, the device reports that ?the package appears to be corrupt?.  I tried changing the build number (as Jacque suggested in a related thread (https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=29624)), but that did not solve the problem.   Is there something I need to do to the stack to revert back to 9.0.0 from 9.0.1?
>
> FYI, I did all the obvious things like reset the standalone settings, uninstall the old app on the phone, etc.
>
> At this point, I would be grateful for ANY advice.
>
> -Dan
>   
>
> On 7/20/18, 6:27 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>      Monte,
>      
>      Thanks!   I have a client waiting? should I revert back to 9.0.0?  Or is there a 9.0.1 rc2 coming SOON?
>      
>      -Dan
>      
>      
>      On 7/19/18, 5:17 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>      
>          Hi Dan
>          
>          A little update.
>          
>          The bug report is here:
>          https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434 <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434>
>          
>          The PR for the fix is here:
>          https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610 <https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610>
>          
>          Cheers
>          
>          Monte
>          
>          > On 20 Jul 2018, at 9:54 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>          >
>          > Hi Dan
>          >
>          > This looks like a regression from the large number of acceleratedRendering related patches that went into 9.0.1 rc 1. I am looking into it as it will be a blocker for 9.0.1-rc-2.
>          >
>          > Cheers
>          >
>          > Monte
>          >
>          >> On 20 Jul 2018, at 4:13 am, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>          >>
>          >> Hello!
>          >>
>          >> Using LC 9.0.1 (rc1), on android only, if I have acceleratedRendering on, the effect is not applied when doing this:
>          >>
>          >> lock screen for visual effect
>          >> //do something
>          >> unlock screen with visual effect wipe left //any effect fails
>          >>
>          >> However, if acceleratedRendering is off, the visual effect is applied.
>          >>
>          >> Any thoughts?
>          >>
>          >>
>          >> -Dan
>          >>
>          >> _______________________________________________
>          >> use-livecode mailing list
>          >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>          >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>          >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>          >
>          >
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 15:45:10 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 20:45:10 +0100
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <b3a899d5-c42b-4f9a-a0b8-b435163144e0@mail.com>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
	<385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
	<C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>
	<3B0A3A5A-3140-45A9-81E5-CE30131B57F0@clearvisiontech.com>
	<403DA403-DBCB-4B00-A425-121F18BFBFE3@clearvisiontech.com>
	<b3a899d5-c42b-4f9a-a0b8-b435163144e0@mail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8Va=sbY+R3zopS7D1HKOBX-mvF2dDi1prCh6gcX29Evg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dan,

What is the version of Android the device is running? I am wondering if you
get this error because of the value of the targetSdkVersion set in the
manifest.

Best,
Panos

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 20:32 Ray via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Are you having this problem only on other users' Macs?  If so then
> you've run into the same Apple induced problem I posted about a month
> ago.  It only happens when you distribute to others using MacOS 10.12 or
> higher.
>
>
> On 7/21/2018 2:29 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:
> > So, I tried to revert back to 9.0.0 because my client is pretty pissed
> that we?ve missed our deadline.  Unfortunately, when I save as standalone
> in 9.0.0, and try to install it on a device, the device reports that ?the
> package appears to be corrupt?.  I tried changing the build number (as
> Jacque suggested in a related thread (
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=29624)), but that did not
> solve the problem.   Is there something I need to do to the stack to revert
> back to 9.0.0 from 9.0.1?
> >
> > FYI, I did all the obvious things like reset the standalone settings,
> uninstall the old app on the phone, etc.
> >
> > At this point, I would be grateful for ANY advice.
> >
> > -Dan
> >
> >
> > On 7/20/18, 6:27 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >      Monte,
> >
> >      Thanks!   I have a client waiting? should I revert back to 9.0.0?
> Or is there a 9.0.1 rc2 coming SOON?
> >
> >      -Dan
> >
> >
> >      On 7/19/18, 5:17 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >          Hi Dan
> >
> >          A little update.
> >
> >          The bug report is here:
> >          https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434 <
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434>
> >
> >          The PR for the fix is here:
> >          https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610 <
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610>
> >
> >          Cheers
> >
> >          Monte
> >
> >          > On 20 Jul 2018, at 9:54 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >          >
> >          > Hi Dan
> >          >
> >          > This looks like a regression from the large number of
> acceleratedRendering related patches that went into 9.0.1 rc 1. I am
> looking into it as it will be a blocker for 9.0.1-rc-2.
> >          >
> >          > Cheers
> >          >
> >          > Monte
> >          >
> >          >> On 20 Jul 2018, at 4:13 am, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >          >>
> >          >> Hello!
> >          >>
> >          >> Using LC 9.0.1 (rc1), on android only, if I have
> acceleratedRendering on, the effect is not applied when doing this:
> >          >>
> >          >> lock screen for visual effect
> >          >> //do something
> >          >> unlock screen with visual effect wipe left //any effect fails
> >          >>
> >          >> However, if acceleratedRendering is off, the visual effect
> is applied.
> >          >>
> >          >> Any thoughts?
> >          >>
> >          >>
> >          >> -Dan
> >          >>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 15:53:52 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 20:53:52 +0100
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8Va=sbY+R3zopS7D1HKOBX-mvF2dDi1prCh6gcX29Evg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
	<385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
	<C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>
	<3B0A3A5A-3140-45A9-81E5-CE30131B57F0@clearvisiontech.com>
	<403DA403-DBCB-4B00-A425-121F18BFBFE3@clearvisiontech.com>
	<b3a899d5-c42b-4f9a-a0b8-b435163144e0@mail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_yP=LBHGYkZS+AZR+AMayeKYuZdDWQWOnx4WE2UyFPmw@mail.gmail.com>

Can you try setting the app identifier in the standalone settings to
something unique that definitely is not already installed in the device? Is
it possible that you have installed an app with the same identifier
(com.yourcompany.yourapp) in the device, which was built with 9.0.1 rc1?

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 20:45 panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> What is the version of Android the device is running? I am wondering if
> you get this error because of the value of the targetSdkVersion set in the
> manifest.
>
> Best,
> Panos
>
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 20:32 Ray via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you having this problem only on other users' Macs?  If so then
>> you've run into the same Apple induced problem I posted about a month
>> ago.  It only happens when you distribute to others using MacOS 10.12 or
>> higher.
>>
>>
>> On 7/21/2018 2:29 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:
>> > So, I tried to revert back to 9.0.0 because my client is pretty pissed
>> that we?ve missed our deadline.  Unfortunately, when I save as standalone
>> in 9.0.0, and try to install it on a device, the device reports that ?the
>> package appears to be corrupt?.  I tried changing the build number (as
>> Jacque suggested in a related thread (
>> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=29624)), but that did not
>> solve the problem.   Is there something I need to do to the stack to revert
>> back to 9.0.0 from 9.0.1?
>> >
>> > FYI, I did all the obvious things like reset the standalone settings,
>> uninstall the old app on the phone, etc.
>> >
>> > At this point, I would be grateful for ANY advice.
>> >
>> > -Dan
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/20/18, 6:27 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via
>> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >      Monte,
>> >
>> >      Thanks!   I have a client waiting? should I revert back to 9.0.0?
>> Or is there a 9.0.1 rc2 coming SOON?
>> >
>> >      -Dan
>> >
>> >
>> >      On 7/19/18, 5:17 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via
>> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >          Hi Dan
>> >
>> >          A little update.
>> >
>> >          The bug report is here:
>> >          https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434 <
>> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434>
>> >
>> >          The PR for the fix is here:
>> >          https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610 <
>> https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610>
>> >
>> >          Cheers
>> >
>> >          Monte
>> >
>> >          > On 20 Jul 2018, at 9:54 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >          >
>> >          > Hi Dan
>> >          >
>> >          > This looks like a regression from the large number of
>> acceleratedRendering related patches that went into 9.0.1 rc 1. I am
>> looking into it as it will be a blocker for 9.0.1-rc-2.
>> >          >
>> >          > Cheers
>> >          >
>> >          > Monte
>> >          >
>> >          >> On 20 Jul 2018, at 4:13 am, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >          >>
>> >          >> Hello!
>> >          >>
>> >          >> Using LC 9.0.1 (rc1), on android only, if I have
>> acceleratedRendering on, the effect is not applied when doing this:
>> >          >>
>> >          >> lock screen for visual effect
>> >          >> //do something
>> >          >> unlock screen with visual effect wipe left //any effect
>> fails
>> >          >>
>> >          >> However, if acceleratedRendering is off, the visual effect
>> is applied.
>> >          >>
>> >          >> Any thoughts?
>> >          >>
>> >          >>
>> >          >> -Dan
>> >          >>
>> >          >> _______________________________________________
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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Sat Jul 21 16:05:56 2018
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 20:05:56 +0000
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_yP=LBHGYkZS+AZR+AMayeKYuZdDWQWOnx4WE2UyFPmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
	<385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
	<C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>
	<3B0A3A5A-3140-45A9-81E5-CE30131B57F0@clearvisiontech.com>
	<403DA403-DBCB-4B00-A425-121F18BFBFE3@clearvisiontech.com>
	<b3a899d5-c42b-4f9a-a0b8-b435163144e0@mail.com>
	<CA+JfEq8Va=sbY+R3zopS7D1HKOBX-mvF2dDi1prCh6gcX29Evg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq_yP=LBHGYkZS+AZR+AMayeKYuZdDWQWOnx4WE2UyFPmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD51D5B8-5254-41E3-A425-82629E63FBBA@clearvisiontech.com>

Odd? I uninstalled the app from the Android phone and re-installed it.   Now it installed.   Go figure.

-Dan


On 7/21/18, 12:53 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Can you try setting the app identifier in the standalone settings to
    something unique that definitely is not already installed in the device? Is
    it possible that you have installed an app with the same identifier
    (com.yourcompany.yourapp) in the device, which was built with 9.0.1 rc1?
    
    On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 20:45 panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com> wrote:
    
    > Hello Dan,
    >
    > What is the version of Android the device is running? I am wondering if
    > you get this error because of the value of the targetSdkVersion set in the
    > manifest.
    >
    > Best,
    > Panos
    >
    > On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 20:32 Ray via use-livecode <
    > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Are you having this problem only on other users' Macs?  If so then
    >> you've run into the same Apple induced problem I posted about a month
    >> ago.  It only happens when you distribute to others using MacOS 10.12 or
    >> higher.
    >>
    >>
    >> On 7/21/2018 2:29 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:
    >> > So, I tried to revert back to 9.0.0 because my client is pretty pissed
    >> that we?ve missed our deadline.  Unfortunately, when I save as standalone
    >> in 9.0.0, and try to install it on a device, the device reports that ?the
    >> package appears to be corrupt?.  I tried changing the build number (as
    >> Jacque suggested in a related thread (
    >> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=29624)), but that did not
    >> solve the problem.   Is there something I need to do to the stack to revert
    >> back to 9.0.0 from 9.0.1?
    >> >
    >> > FYI, I did all the obvious things like reset the standalone settings,
    >> uninstall the old app on the phone, etc.
    >> >
    >> > At this point, I would be grateful for ANY advice.
    >> >
    >> > -Dan
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > On 7/20/18, 6:27 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via
    >> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
    >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >      Monte,
    >> >
    >> >      Thanks!   I have a client waiting? should I revert back to 9.0.0?
    >> Or is there a 9.0.1 rc2 coming SOON?
    >> >
    >> >      -Dan
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >      On 7/19/18, 5:17 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte Goulding via
    >> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
    >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >          Hi Dan
    >> >
    >> >          A little update.
    >> >
    >> >          The bug report is here:
    >> >          https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434 <
    >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434>
    >> >
    >> >          The PR for the fix is here:
    >> >          https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610 <
    >> https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610>
    >> >
    >> >          Cheers
    >> >
    >> >          Monte
    >> >
    >> >          > On 20 Jul 2018, at 9:54 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
    >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    >> >          >
    >> >          > Hi Dan
    >> >          >
    >> >          > This looks like a regression from the large number of
    >> acceleratedRendering related patches that went into 9.0.1 rc 1. I am
    >> looking into it as it will be a blocker for 9.0.1-rc-2.
    >> >          >
    >> >          > Cheers
    >> >          >
    >> >          > Monte
    >> >          >
    >> >          >> On 20 Jul 2018, at 4:13 am, Dan Friedman via use-livecode <
    >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    >> >          >>
    >> >          >> Hello!
    >> >          >>
    >> >          >> Using LC 9.0.1 (rc1), on android only, if I have
    >> acceleratedRendering on, the effect is not applied when doing this:
    >> >          >>
    >> >          >> lock screen for visual effect
    >> >          >> //do something
    >> >          >> unlock screen with visual effect wipe left //any effect
    >> fails
    >> >          >>
    >> >          >> However, if acceleratedRendering is off, the visual effect
    >> is applied.
    >> >          >>
    >> >          >> Any thoughts?
    >> >          >>
    >> >          >>
    >> >          >> -Dan
    >> >          >>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 16:09:24 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 21:09:24 +0100
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <CD51D5B8-5254-41E3-A425-82629E63FBBA@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
	<385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
	<C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>
	<3B0A3A5A-3140-45A9-81E5-CE30131B57F0@clearvisiontech.com>
	<403DA403-DBCB-4B00-A425-121F18BFBFE3@clearvisiontech.com>
	<b3a899d5-c42b-4f9a-a0b8-b435163144e0@mail.com>
	<CA+JfEq8Va=sbY+R3zopS7D1HKOBX-mvF2dDi1prCh6gcX29Evg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq_yP=LBHGYkZS+AZR+AMayeKYuZdDWQWOnx4WE2UyFPmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CD51D5B8-5254-41E3-A425-82629E63FBBA@clearvisiontech.com>
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Ok nice, I know what happened. I will post a detailed msg in a while as I
am not in a computer now.

Best,
Panos

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 21:05 Dan Friedman <dan at clearvisiontech.com> wrote:

> Odd? I uninstalled the app from the Android phone and re-installed it.
>  Now it installed.   Go figure.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> On 7/21/18, 12:53 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>     Can you try setting the app identifier in the standalone settings to
>     something unique that definitely is not already installed in the
> device? Is
>     it possible that you have installed an app with the same identifier
>     (com.yourcompany.yourapp) in the device, which was built with 9.0.1
> rc1?
>
>     On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 20:45 panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>     > Hello Dan,
>     >
>     > What is the version of Android the device is running? I am wondering
> if
>     > you get this error because of the value of the targetSdkVersion set
> in the
>     > manifest.
>     >
>     > Best,
>     > Panos
>     >
>     > On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, 20:32 Ray via use-livecode <
>     > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>     >
>     >> Are you having this problem only on other users' Macs?  If so then
>     >> you've run into the same Apple induced problem I posted about a
> month
>     >> ago.  It only happens when you distribute to others using MacOS
> 10.12 or
>     >> higher.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On 7/21/2018 2:29 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:
>     >> > So, I tried to revert back to 9.0.0 because my client is pretty
> pissed
>     >> that we?ve missed our deadline.  Unfortunately, when I save as
> standalone
>     >> in 9.0.0, and try to install it on a device, the device reports
> that ?the
>     >> package appears to be corrupt?.  I tried changing the build number
> (as
>     >> Jacque suggested in a related thread (
>     >> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=29624)), but that did
> not
>     >> solve the problem.   Is there something I need to do to the stack
> to revert
>     >> back to 9.0.0 from 9.0.1?
>     >> >
>     >> > FYI, I did all the obvious things like reset the standalone
> settings,
>     >> uninstall the old app on the phone, etc.
>     >> >
>     >> > At this point, I would be grateful for ANY advice.
>     >> >
>     >> > -Dan
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> > On 7/20/18, 6:27 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via
>     >> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>     >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> >      Monte,
>     >> >
>     >> >      Thanks!   I have a client waiting? should I revert back to
> 9.0.0?
>     >> Or is there a 9.0.1 rc2 coming SOON?
>     >> >
>     >> >      -Dan
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >> >      On 7/19/18, 5:17 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Monte
> Goulding via
>     >> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>     >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>     >> >
>     >> >          Hi Dan
>     >> >
>     >> >          A little update.
>     >> >
>     >> >          The bug report is here:
>     >> >          https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434 <
>     >> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21434>
>     >> >
>     >> >          The PR for the fix is here:
>     >> >          https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610 <
>     >> https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6610>
>     >> >
>     >> >          Cheers
>     >> >
>     >> >          Monte
>     >> >
>     >> >          > On 20 Jul 2018, at 9:54 am, Monte Goulding via
> use-livecode <
>     >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>     >> >          >
>     >> >          > Hi Dan
>     >> >          >
>     >> >          > This looks like a regression from the large number of
>     >> acceleratedRendering related patches that went into 9.0.1 rc 1. I am
>     >> looking into it as it will be a blocker for 9.0.1-rc-2.
>     >> >          >
>     >> >          > Cheers
>     >> >          >
>     >> >          > Monte
>     >> >          >
>     >> >          >> On 20 Jul 2018, at 4:13 am, Dan Friedman via
> use-livecode <
>     >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>     >> >          >>
>     >> >          >> Hello!
>     >> >          >>
>     >> >          >> Using LC 9.0.1 (rc1), on android only, if I have
>     >> acceleratedRendering on, the effect is not applied when doing this:
>     >> >          >>
>     >> >          >> lock screen for visual effect
>     >> >          >> //do something
>     >> >          >> unlock screen with visual effect wipe left //any
> effect
>     >> fails
>     >> >          >>
>     >> >          >> However, if acceleratedRendering is off, the visual
> effect
>     >> is applied.
>     >> >          >>
>     >> >          >> Any thoughts?
>     >> >          >>
>     >> >          >>
>     >> >          >> -Dan
>     >> >          >>
>     >> >          >> _______________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul 21 16:21:15 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 15:21:15 -0500
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <403DA403-DBCB-4B00-A425-121F18BFBFE3@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
	<385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
	<C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>
	<3B0A3A5A-3140-45A9-81E5-CE30131B57F0@clearvisiontech.com>
	<403DA403-DBCB-4B00-A425-121F18BFBFE3@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <66905fe8-c21f-6f8f-4dc5-d5ebb1b4f00e@hyperactivesw.com>

It could be because 9.0.1 sets the target version in the manifest to 26 
and 9.0 sets it to the same version as the one you select in the 
dropdown menu in standalone settings. If you've truly removed the old 
app completely I wouldn't think it would matter, but apparently Android 
stores some record of previous installations.

Move the manifest from 9.0.1 into the 9.0 runtime folder temporarily and 
see if that helps.

On 7/21/18 1:29 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:
> So, I tried to revert back to 9.0.0 because my client is pretty pissed that we?ve missed our deadline.  Unfortunately, when I save as standalone in 9.0.0, and try to install it on a device, the device reports that ?the package appears to be corrupt?.  I tried changing the build number (as Jacque suggested in a related thread (https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?t=29624)), but that did not solve the problem.   Is there something I need to do to the stack to revert back to 9.0.0 from 9.0.1?
> 
> FYI, I did all the obvious things like reset the standalone settings, uninstall the old app on the phone, etc.
> 
> At this point, I would be grateful for ANY advice.
> 
> -Dan


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From merakosp at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 17:50:25 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 22:50:25 +0100
Subject: Android, acceleratedRendering and visual effect
In-Reply-To: <66905fe8-c21f-6f8f-4dc5-d5ebb1b4f00e@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <31195BC5-0FC1-4060-B0D1-8F37C9C1EFED@clearvisiontech.com>
	<385E31A7-57AF-4302-8A7E-20D4B40E833F@appisle.net>
	<C2387DAD-A3C5-4527-AAC0-FA4814086ADD@appisle.net>
	<3B0A3A5A-3140-45A9-81E5-CE30131B57F0@clearvisiontech.com>
	<403DA403-DBCB-4B00-A425-121F18BFBFE3@clearvisiontech.com>
	<66905fe8-c21f-6f8f-4dc5-d5ebb1b4f00e@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9M92TUUt=mgWjYSV41RRq31eeGzpSkjvbozcTEKnoxRA@mail.gmail.com>

What Jacque said;

Originally you had built the standalone with LC 9.0.1 rc1 (and installed it
in the device), so its manifest had targetSDKversion=26.
Then you built a new one with LC 9.0.0, so it had its targetSDKversion
equal to the minSDKversion, as specified in the standalone settings, and
probably lower than 26.

Android does not allow you to push an "update" of an app to the device,
that has a lower targetSDKversion than the original installed app.

So the problem was resolved once you deleted the old app.

Panos
--

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 9:21 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It could be because 9.0.1 sets the target version in the manifest to 26
> and 9.0 sets it to the same version as the one you select in the dropdown
> menu in standalone settings. If you've truly removed the old app completely
> I wouldn't think it would matter, but apparently Android stores some record
> of previous installations.
>
> Move the manifest from 9.0.1 into the 9.0 runtime folder temporarily and
> see if that helps.
>
> On 7/21/18 1:29 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> So, I tried to revert back to 9.0.0 because my client is pretty pissed
>> that we?ve missed our deadline.  Unfortunately, when I save as standalone
>> in 9.0.0, and try to install it on a device, the device reports that ?the
>> package appears to be corrupt?.  I tried changing the build number (as
>> Jacque suggested in a related thread (https://forums.livecode.com/v
>> iewtopic.php?t=29624)), but that did not solve the problem.   Is there
>> something I need to do to the stack to revert back to 9.0.0 from 9.0.1?
>>
>> FYI, I did all the obvious things like reset the standalone settings,
>> uninstall the old app on the phone, etc.
>>
>> At this point, I would be grateful for ANY advice.
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jul 21 23:31:01 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 22:31:01 -0500
Subject: Help with Bug #19550: Add support for symlinks to standalone
	builder
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG-ZjT=4wNWs+VLW0zgWD9XqpYeVz7sa=cxMeJPGOgkLbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHg3tG8XQh01Ugm15n1v-jfTQX9QSVkMEwLsKEGGeXwL75q8TQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Finally working on the actual code in the IDE and discovered that there is
a failure in a different spot than I thought.  "there is a file" returns
false on symbolic links.  So my initial solution is going to need some more
work.

Also, file copy failures are not propagated up the call chain.  First issue
is that the __revSBCopyFile handler just "returns" tResult instead of using
"for error".  But it doesn't really matter since when you go up a couple
levels, it isn't passed further.

And lastly, there is a "move" that takes place somewhere else that is
causing an issue.  I've got the initial copy working, but when this next
step happens it messes up folder symbolic links (files links remain).  This
is on the Mac... I have not testing in Linux yet (not to mention figuring
out the Windows side).  Not sure why it copies to /Contents/MacOS and then
moves it to /Contents/Resources/_MacOS.  I'm just testing with a folder
that I put in the "copy files" section of the builder.

I should be able to sort it out, but will take a little longer than I
thought.

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Brian,
>
> I can definitely test it out. I wouldn?t worry about symbolic links outside
> the folder right now. I don?t believe it affects .frameworks.
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
>
> On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 10:24 AM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Doing a little digging on this.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure this impacts iOS in the same was as MacOS.
> >
> > private command __revSBCopyFolder
> > User and group is copied if MacOS, but not Linux
> >
> > private command __revSBCopyFile
> > Probably good that links are handled as files, because they technically
> > are.
> >
> > Prior to line 351 (probably 348), some code will be needed to determine
> if
> > we are currently dealing with a symbolic link.  On Linux, aliasReference
> > seems to work properly where on MacOS it only works for an actual alias
> > (returns empty for a symbolic link).  On MacOS, I'm seeing the type is
> > actually "rhapslnk" for symbolic links and "MACSalis" for an alias (if
> > others can confirm, I can use my code below).  Not sure about Windows.
> So
> > something like this:
> >
> > put (the platform is "macos" and (tFileType is "rhapslnk" or tFileType is
> > "MACSalis") \
> >     or (the platform is "linux" and aliasReference(pSourceFile) is not
> > pSourceFile) into tFileIsLink
> >     -- this does count on pSourceFile being an absolute link
> >
> > I think that the problem is that LC is attempting to copy links like it
> > would a binary file which is what is causing the issue.  Lines 351-396
> need
> > to be wrapped in another if statement that properly handles symbolic
> links.
> >
> > if tFileIsLink then
> >    -- handle link
> > else
> >    -- existing code from 351-396
> > end if
> >
> > The easy way would be to just copy the symbolic link directly without
> > validation.  For relative symbolic links within the copied folder
> > structure, this should be fine.  If the symbolic links point outside of
> the
> > copied structure (i.e. they are absolute to somewhere else in the file
> > system), then there could be an issue with the distributed app.  The
> > problem is that at the point of the copy, you don't have the full path of
> > the destination application (just the file itself), so we can't check and
> > be sure that the link points inside the app (unless pSettings is an array
> > that has that info).  We could check to be sure it is on the same volume
> > fairly easily.  I think it would be good to just flag it as a warning
> > instead of an error that halts the build, but would need to dig a bit to
> > see if/how that is possible.
> >
> > @Mike
> > I don't think the links should be traversed at all, but maintained in the
> > destination app.
> >
> > @Trevor
> > If I put together an updated file, could you test to see if my solution
> > works for you?  I just need to make sure I'm copying the link correctly
> and
> > also figure out what to do on Windows.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > A couple of thoughts:
> > > 1) There might be cases where symlinks should not be traversed, so
> there
> > > probably should be an option to traverse or not
> > > 2) There are probably going to be cases where the symlinks are
> recursive.
> > > I think there should definitely be an option to resolve those.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:58 AM Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I?m writing this email to see if there is someone who can pitch in
> and
> > > > implement a fix for bug 19550 [1]. The issue is that the the copy
> > folder
> > > > command that the LC standalone builder uses does not support
> symlinks.
> > > > While this hasn?t been a significant problem in the past, it has now
> > > become
> > > > one because LiveCode Builder (LCB) code can link to .frameworks on
> > macOS
> > > > using the Foreign Function Interface (FFI) feature in LiveCode 9.
> > > >
> > > > As an example, I?ve been working on an LCB wrapper around Sparkle [2]
> > and
> > > > on another around MASShortcut [3]. In both cases the .framework needs
> > to
> > > be
> > > > distributed with the LCB library. The Standalone Builder does not
> > create
> > > a
> > > > proper copy of the .framework and the code will fail in a standalone.
> > > >
> > > > Here is a link to the source code on GitHub that needs to be updated:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > https://github.com/livecode/livecode/blob/e6955bb9dc517ba4c5c2da422deb5e
> > > 16627ebf1f/ide-support/revsblibrary.livecodescript#L215
> > > >
> > > > If someone is able to step in and modify the existing code to support
> > > > symlinks then others would be able to start distributing extensions
> > that
> > > > use .frameworks on macOS. I haven?t verified whether or not this
> > affects
> > > > iOS but it may.
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19550
> > > > [2] https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-sparkle
> > > > [3] https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-masshortcut
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Trevor DeVore
> > > > ScreenSteps
> > > > www.screensteps.com
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> > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >    and did a little diving.
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jul 22 00:25:44 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 23:25:44 -0500
Subject: Help with Bug #19550: Add support for symlinks to standalone
	builder
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRb8v3bur6LWhNQvx_iOoPRbxJsaXZXtYd0c8BWMHymmGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHg3tG8XQh01Ugm15n1v-jfTQX9QSVkMEwLsKEGGeXwL75q8TQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPHCAuj9FUqXR+QOvQ6u-EnoRQmMau9QG4g4K9Hs+AFDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRZW3jjhv6=0YrS3LtDJfiEyYonh85Qz+iL8BojiPTGcpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-ZjT=4wNWs+VLW0zgWD9XqpYeVz7sa=cxMeJPGOgkLbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRb8v3bur6LWhNQvx_iOoPRbxJsaXZXtYd0c8BWMHymmGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZWuxMVU==ovEpoaoHRvshJ39r+EJyU2zrUtyQ9EiFSMA@mail.gmail.com>

Found something very interesting and I think it may be a bug (at least an
anomaly)...

if you rename a symbolic link to a folder, the folder that is pointed to is
renamed vice the link

consider the following (-> denotes a symbolic link)
~/tmp/
~/tmp2 -> ./tmp/

rename "~/tmp2" "~/tmp3"

results in

~/tmp2 -> (broken link, still points to ./tmp/ which does not exist)
~/tmp3/

I checked on MacOS and Linux.
The call causing this problem is in "revRedirectMacOSResourcesRecurse"

This particular issue won't impact ".bundle", ".app", nor ".framework"
folders since they are not relocated.


From keith.clarke at me.com  Sun Jul 22 05:02:29 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 10:02:29 +0100
Subject: LiveCode server IDE - the current state of the art?
In-Reply-To: <6e540a4f-ade6-ebce-6f51-55763d042354@tweedly.net>
References: <mailman.272.1532034052.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<2373F5FA-F56C-433A-8198-1A19D08B26D8@me.com>
	<6e540a4f-ade6-ebce-6f51-55763d042354@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5F515B74-9026-4CD1-A54D-F5F7791A61BE@me.com>

Hi Alex,
Thanks for sharing this structure - really useful to help visualise the ?skeleton' of the required architecture.

I just need to get LC server installed on our VPS (?cue ominous sound of another can of worms creaking open!) and start building-out.
Best,
Keith

> On 20 Jul 2018, at 23:45, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> what I do in the 20 lines isn't very much - most of the work is done elsewhere.
> 
> I do have a couple of places I don't use revIgniter. Here's a sanitized version of what I use there as LC Server script (NB I have sanitized it before sending, so there could be typos here - I haven't test it in exactly this form)
> 
> As you'll see, I keep my standard libraries in a folder "libraryscripts", and then individual sites can over-ride those in a folder "user/libraryscripts", and can have additional scripts in "user/scripts". In an  earlier version I loaded all scripts found in these folders; for now I specify which ones I want, but I think I might at some point go back to loading every script I find as a librarystack.
> 
> I'll have a look at the synch utility to see if it can be similarly sanitized and shared.
> 
> -- Alex.
> 
> <?lc
> -- DO NOT USE include OR in-line STATEMENTS or you will lose ability to use IDE Tester App
> -- NB include siteConfig.lc for site specific content
> 
> if there is a file ("user/libraryscripts/main_script.livecode") then
>   put ("user/libraryscripts/main_script.livecode") into tt
> else
>   put ("libraryscripts/main_script.livecode") into tt
> end if
> start using stack tt
> 
> repeat for each word W in "common forms arrayjson" -- the libraries I always need
>   put W & "_script.livecode" into tFile
>   if there is a file ("user/libraryscripts" & tFile) then
>     put ("user/libraryscripts/" & tFile) into tt
>   else
>     put ("libraryscripts/" & tFile) into tt
>   end if
>   start using stack tt
> end repeat
> 
> put "user/scripts/siteConfig.lc" into tt
> if there is a file tt then
>   start using stack tt
>   siteConfig
> end if
> 
> -- and do the command
> --   NB Usage ... www.mydomain.com/standalone.lc?command=dosomething&...
> put $_GET["command"] into tCommand
> do tCommand
> 
> 
> 
> On 20/07/2018 07:58, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
>> Thanks for describing your setup, Alex.
>> 
>> I like the ?work locally as usual, then upload? approach - coupled with the essential 'Did everything synch?' check utility! :-)
>> 
>> The lightweight LCS hub is very appealing (probably without RevIgniter to avoid any additional complexity) to get the basic plumbing connected.
>> 
>> Time to hit the LCS lessons to see if I can replicate what you're achieving with 20-lines, methinks! :-)
>> Best,
>> Keith
>> 
>>> From: Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>
>>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Subject: Re: LiveCode server IDE - the current state of the art?
>>> Message-ID: <c79f2054-5cc3-5f8c-1f95-2819e9fedfcb at tweedly.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>> 
>>> I have no idea if this is state of the art or not :-) - but here's what
>>> I do ...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Short answer : the Livecode IDE plus an FTP client (Filezilla).
>>> 
>>> Longer answer :
>>> 
>>> 99% of what I write for the LC server is standard LC - scriptonly
>>> stacks, used as library stacks.
>>> 
>>> I have about 20 lines of LCS - just enough to look around and "start
>>> using" the relevant librarystacks, and then invoke the top-level
>>> handler. (This is actually in a revIgniter controller because I use
>>> revIgniter, but the same thing would work even if I didn't).
>>> 
>>> This lets me develop and test most of it in a convenient environment
>>> (the IDE, on my own laptop). I keep a copy of the scripts locally, along
>>> with enough of the database to do testing. I have a small "test-harness"
>>> app that lets me set parameters as though from the URL.
>>> 
>>> All output is done through my own handlers - which then either output on
>>> LC Server, or output to log/status/output fields and a browser widget in
>>> the test app. All DB access is done through a shim layer which uses
>>> Andre's DBLib + sqlite on the laptop and revIgniter's DB Lib + MySQL on
>>> the server.
>>> 
>>> I don't use revIgniter's "Views" - I have my own library which provides
>>> the equivalent functionality in a way that lets me give website
>>> maintainers access to it, without giving them access to anything within
>>> revIgniter's 'system' folder.? (This also lets me test on the IDE).
>>> 
>>> I have a variety of ancillary files which I edit with other editors
>>> (currently trying out Atom for small changes, but falling back to emacs
>>> when there are larger or complex changes to do).
>>> 
>>> Only problem I've run into with this approach is that sometimes I will
>>> edit and test a file (or a number of files)? locally, and forget to
>>> upload one or some :-(? So I have a small 'sync' app which runs on the
>>> laptop, and uses a LC Server script on the website, to flag up any
>>> differences in the 'should be identical' files.
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> On 19/07/2018 08:01, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> I?m attempting to engage with LiveCode Server after a couple of years since I last played - when the approach was to roll your own IDE (i.e. pick a text editor) and optionally use the RevIgnitor framework.
>>>> 
>>>> I?d be obliged if anyone could please update me on the current state of the art and share their personal tool-belt preference (target environment is a Linux VPS).
>>>> Thanks & regards
>>>> Keith
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jul 22 17:18:40 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 23:18:40 +0200
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
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I have to add something.

As I wrote, we were able to successfully scan the labels. This is true as long as we print the labels with a laser printer.

If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear ones.

So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.

 put ?3" into tNarrow
 put ?6" into tWide
 set the width of grc "narrowC" to (tNarrow - 2)
 set the width of grc "narrowB" to (tNarrow -3)
 set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
 set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide

Regards,

Matthias Rebbe


> Am 20.07.2018 um 13:31 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> We tried here with iPhone and also with an USB scanner. Both devices scanned the code successfully.
> 
> I have just finished a program for shipment. It fetches customer and invoice data from the accounting software and creates then the shipment labels including a Code25i barcode and a QR code. The carrier is Trans-o-Flex. I need to send some sample labels to their IT department. They will check if the labels are readable by their scanners. But i am now confident, that this will work on their side also.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 20.07.2018 um 11:31 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Very cool!  Does it actually produce a code that can be scanned?
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 3:25 AM Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> you?re awesome. That is already an almost complete solution to my
>>> question. Never had expected that. Thank you very much.
>>> I?ve made some little changes. One among of them is:
>>> To have all the separate bars of the barcode in a group, i changed the
>>> lines where the grc is cloned
>>> to for example        copy grc ?narrowB? to grp ?barcode2of5?
>>> 
>>> Here?s now my code to convert the nNnNN?. string to Barcode
>>> 
>>> local tLast
>>> on mouseup
>>>  if there is a grp "barcode2of5" then delete grp "barcode2of5"
>>>  -- now change the width of the template graphics
>>>  put "2" into tNarrow
>>>  put "4" into tWide
>>>  set the width of grc "narrowC" to tNarrow
>>>  set the width of grc "narrowB" to tNarrow
>>>  set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
>>>  set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
>>>  put "0" into tHorAdjust -- allows to put a gap beween the separate bars.
>>>  put "60,286" into tBarTopLeft -- defines where the first bar is placed
>>>  put empty into tLast
>>>  put fld "2of5" into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
>>>  set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
>>>  create grp "barcode2of5"
>>>  repeat for each char tChar in tChars
>>>     switch tChar
>>>        case "N"
>>>           -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
>>>           --if its the first time through, places it at astart location
>>>           -- then uses the id of the most recent bar forplacement
>>> purposes
>>>           --clone grc "narrowB"
>>>           copy grc "narrowB" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>           else
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>           end if
>>>           break
>>>        case "n"
>>>           --clone grc "narrowC"
>>>           copy grc "narrowC" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>           else
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>           end if
>>>           break
>>>        case "W"
>>>           --clone grc "wideB"
>>>           copy grc "wideB" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>           else
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>           end if
>>>           break
>>>        case "w"
>>>           --clone grc "widec"
>>>           copy grc "widec" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>           else
>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>           end if
>>>           break
>>>     end switch
>>>     put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
>>> recently placed bar
>>>  end repeat
>>>  set the height of grp "barcode2of5" to 69
>>>  set the width of grp "barcode2of5" to 360
>>> end mouseup
>>> 
>>> --This function allows a horizontal adjustment of the single bars.
>>> function horAdjust tHorAdjust
>>>  put the topright of grc id tLast into tTMP
>>>  set the itemdelimiter to ","
>>>  add tHorAdjust to item 1 of tTMP
>>>  return tTMP
>>> end horAdjust
>>> 
>>> Again, thank you very much for your help.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Am 20.07.2018 um 01:01 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure if it will work for your purpose, but as a test I created for
>>>> graphic lines, 1 narrow black, 1 wider black, duplicated them and set the
>>>> blendlevel of the copies so that they're transparent.
>>>> 
>>>> Grcs are named narrowB, wideB, narrowC and wideC (b for black, c for
>>> clear)
>>>> 
>>>> Then used the following code (and your example string from above with the
>>>> WWnNw stuff) to generate a barcode.
>>>> 
>>>> on mouseup
>>>> put empty into tLast
>>>> put field 1 into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
>>>> set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
>>>> repeat for each char tChar in tChars
>>>>    switch tChar
>>>>       case "N" -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
>>>>                      --if its the first time through, places it at a
>>>> start location
>>>>                      -- then uses the id of the most recent bar for
>>>> placement purposes
>>>>          clone grc "narrowB"
>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>          else
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>> tLast
>>>>          end if
>>>>          break
>>>>       case "n"
>>>>          clone grc "narrowC"
>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>          else
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>> tLast
>>>>          end if
>>>>          break
>>>>       case "W"
>>>>          clone grc "wideB"
>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>          else
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>> tLast
>>>>          end if
>>>>          break
>>>>       case "w"
>>>>          clone grc "widec"
>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>          else
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>> tLast
>>>>          end if
>>>>          break
>>>> 
>>>>    end switch
>>>>    put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
>>>> recently placed bar
>>>> end repeat
>>>> end mouseup
>>>> 
>>>> Spacing and line size might need to be tweaked, but it seems like this
>>>> would be relatively straight forward.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:30 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I think the trick will be drawing large graphics one at a time and
>>>>> properly spaced at several times their finished size, perhaps off
>>> screen,
>>>>> then getting a snapshot of the result and scaling it down. Not sure how
>>>>> picky the readers will be.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob S
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 15:06 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Currently i am using a special 2of5i barcode font. The font .has only
>>>>> four characters (bars) in its set.
>>>>>> The code displays a
>>>>>> narrow space (blank) bar when the character is n
>>>>>> narrow black bar when N
>>>>>> wide space when w
>>>>>> wide black bar when W
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>>> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jul 22 17:43:42 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 23:43:42 +0200
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
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Of course i meant

So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels when printed with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.

> Am 22.07.2018 um 23:18 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I have to add something.
> 
> As I wrote, we were able to successfully scan the labels. This is true as long as we print the labels with a laser printer.
> 
> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear ones.
> 
> So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.
> 
> put ?3" into tNarrow
> put ?6" into tWide
> set the width of grc "narrowC" to (tNarrow - 2)
> set the width of grc "narrowB" to (tNarrow -3)
> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> 
> 
>> Am 20.07.2018 um 13:31 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> We tried here with iPhone and also with an USB scanner. Both devices scanned the code successfully.
>> 
>> I have just finished a program for shipment. It fetches customer and invoice data from the accounting software and creates then the shipment labels including a Code25i barcode and a QR code. The carrier is Trans-o-Flex. I need to send some sample labels to their IT department. They will check if the labels are readable by their scanners. But i am now confident, that this will work on their side also.
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 20.07.2018 um 11:31 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Very cool!  Does it actually produce a code that can be scanned?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 3:25 AM Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> you?re awesome. That is already an almost complete solution to my
>>>> question. Never had expected that. Thank you very much.
>>>> I?ve made some little changes. One among of them is:
>>>> To have all the separate bars of the barcode in a group, i changed the
>>>> lines where the grc is cloned
>>>> to for example        copy grc ?narrowB? to grp ?barcode2of5?
>>>> 
>>>> Here?s now my code to convert the nNnNN?. string to Barcode
>>>> 
>>>> local tLast
>>>> on mouseup
>>>> if there is a grp "barcode2of5" then delete grp "barcode2of5"
>>>> -- now change the width of the template graphics
>>>> put "2" into tNarrow
>>>> put "4" into tWide
>>>> set the width of grc "narrowC" to tNarrow
>>>> set the width of grc "narrowB" to tNarrow
>>>> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
>>>> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
>>>> put "0" into tHorAdjust -- allows to put a gap beween the separate bars.
>>>> put "60,286" into tBarTopLeft -- defines where the first bar is placed
>>>> put empty into tLast
>>>> put fld "2of5" into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
>>>> set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
>>>> create grp "barcode2of5"
>>>> repeat for each char tChar in tChars
>>>>    switch tChar
>>>>       case "N"
>>>>          -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
>>>>          --if its the first time through, places it at astart location
>>>>          -- then uses the id of the most recent bar forplacement
>>>> purposes
>>>>          --clone grc "narrowB"
>>>>          copy grc "narrowB" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>>          else
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>>          end if
>>>>          break
>>>>       case "n"
>>>>          --clone grc "narrowC"
>>>>          copy grc "narrowC" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>>          else
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>>          end if
>>>>          break
>>>>       case "W"
>>>>          --clone grc "wideB"
>>>>          copy grc "wideB" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>>          else
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>>          end if
>>>>          break
>>>>       case "w"
>>>>          --clone grc "widec"
>>>>          copy grc "widec" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>>          else
>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>>          end if
>>>>          break
>>>>    end switch
>>>>    put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
>>>> recently placed bar
>>>> end repeat
>>>> set the height of grp "barcode2of5" to 69
>>>> set the width of grp "barcode2of5" to 360
>>>> end mouseup
>>>> 
>>>> --This function allows a horizontal adjustment of the single bars.
>>>> function horAdjust tHorAdjust
>>>> put the topright of grc id tLast into tTMP
>>>> set the itemdelimiter to ","
>>>> add tHorAdjust to item 1 of tTMP
>>>> return tTMP
>>>> end horAdjust
>>>> 
>>>> Again, thank you very much for your help.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Matthias
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 20.07.2018 um 01:01 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not sure if it will work for your purpose, but as a test I created for
>>>>> graphic lines, 1 narrow black, 1 wider black, duplicated them and set the
>>>>> blendlevel of the copies so that they're transparent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Grcs are named narrowB, wideB, narrowC and wideC (b for black, c for
>>>> clear)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then used the following code (and your example string from above with the
>>>>> WWnNw stuff) to generate a barcode.
>>>>> 
>>>>> on mouseup
>>>>> put empty into tLast
>>>>> put field 1 into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
>>>>> set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
>>>>> repeat for each char tChar in tChars
>>>>>   switch tChar
>>>>>      case "N" -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
>>>>>                     --if its the first time through, places it at a
>>>>> start location
>>>>>                     -- then uses the id of the most recent bar for
>>>>> placement purposes
>>>>>         clone grc "narrowB"
>>>>>         if tLast is empty then
>>>>>            set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>>         else
>>>>>            set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>>> tLast
>>>>>         end if
>>>>>         break
>>>>>      case "n"
>>>>>         clone grc "narrowC"
>>>>>         if tLast is empty then
>>>>>            set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>>         else
>>>>>            set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>>> tLast
>>>>>         end if
>>>>>         break
>>>>>      case "W"
>>>>>         clone grc "wideB"
>>>>>         if tLast is empty then
>>>>>            set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>>         else
>>>>>            set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>>> tLast
>>>>>         end if
>>>>>         break
>>>>>      case "w"
>>>>>         clone grc "widec"
>>>>>         if tLast is empty then
>>>>>            set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>>         else
>>>>>            set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>>> tLast
>>>>>         end if
>>>>>         break
>>>>> 
>>>>>   end switch
>>>>>   put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
>>>>> recently placed bar
>>>>> end repeat
>>>>> end mouseup
>>>>> 
>>>>> Spacing and line size might need to be tweaked, but it seems like this
>>>>> would be relatively straight forward.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:30 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think the trick will be drawing large graphics one at a time and
>>>>>> properly spaced at several times their finished size, perhaps off
>>>> screen,
>>>>>> then getting a snapshot of the result and scaling it down. Not sure how
>>>>>> picky the readers will be.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 15:06 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Currently i am using a special 2of5i barcode font. The font .has only
>>>>>> four characters (bars) in its set.
>>>>>>> The code displays a
>>>>>>> narrow space (blank) bar when the character is n
>>>>>>> narrow black bar when N
>>>>>>> wide space when w
>>>>>>> wide black bar when W
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jul 22 20:46:25 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 19:46:25 -0500
Subject: Help with Bug #19550: Add support for symlinks to standalone
	builder
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PR 6611 created for this issue on develop-9.0
https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6611

The submitted change will preserve symbolic links.  Relative links that go
outside of the included directory will probably break.  Absolute links may
not work on other machines.  All framework links should be self-contained
and work fine.

Ended up using "mv" on Mac/Linux to rename the files to preserve directory
symbolic links.

Something interesting that I discovered, if you use a symbolic link as the
folder to include, it already would resolve that link and copy the actual
linked directory into the app.  At the top of __revSBCopyFolder,
"revSBReadLink" turns the pSource into the actual path of the contents.  I
can't see a way to actually do this in the IDE though (if you choose a
symbolic link, then the referenced folder is what is added).

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:

> Found something very interesting and I think it may be a bug (at least an
> anomaly)...
>
> if you rename a symbolic link to a folder, the folder that is pointed to
> is renamed vice the link
>
> consider the following (-> denotes a symbolic link)
> ~/tmp/
> ~/tmp2 -> ./tmp/
>
> rename "~/tmp2" "~/tmp3"
>
> results in
>
> ~/tmp2 -> (broken link, still points to ./tmp/ which does not exist)
> ~/tmp3/
>
> I checked on MacOS and Linux.
> The call causing this problem is in "revRedirectMacOSResourcesRecurse"
>
> This particular issue won't impact ".bundle", ".app", nor ".framework"
> folders since they are not relocated.
>
>


From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jul 23 07:13:12 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 12:13:12 +0100
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 138
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9SfrYQgJ69OAtD6qiLwkrUZ5wKxtwcz6riO6m5R_Z3NQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

        Read issue #138 here: https://goo.gl/TpJVrX

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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Mon Jul 23 08:27:19 2018
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 12:27:19 +0000
Subject: LCARS controls as LC widget - Is it possible?
Message-ID: <DM3PR14MB06661FE2A0F573E115F2DA83AF560@DM3PR14MB0666.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>


http://lcarssdk.org

LCARS SDK<http://lcarssdk.org/>
lcarssdk.org
LCARS SDK | A Functional Implementation of the LCARS Methodology.








From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 23 11:08:30 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:08:30 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRY-ho_xgr4SqiBCepjVDx-1O4KsUpmksF7KQkAXVus0ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B982EC0A-85EB-4559-BB51-6797863BB1DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<d89d8a62-29e2-1053-85ce-ee196d14df7f@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+yhkRY-ho_xgr4SqiBCepjVDx-1O4KsUpmksF7KQkAXVus0ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5278D4FD-E070-4A82-AFC3-42A061CD263F@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

With a clearer head I have discovered that indeed setting the behavior in the way prescribed sets it GLOBALLY for ALL grids! That will not do for my purposes, because the grids in my substacks operate a bit differently than the one in the mainstack. 

Well my workaround before was to put the special handlers for those grids in the respective card or stack scripts. It looks like I will have to go back to that. Curious though that setting the behavior of a datagrid to a custom button, then setting the behavior of the button to the old datagrid behavior button fails. I think that is the real bug, and I have submitted a request to look at that. Othewise we have to say that nested behaviors are not presently fully supported with datagrids. 

Bob S


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 21:26 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> @Richard,
> That is precisely what I saw when I did my test.  (And DG3 was in a
> different stack.)
> I tried manually replacing the old button with one in the stack and that
> completely broke the DG.
> 
> @Bob
> Another option to get script in front of the library would be to set the
> script of:
> button id 1005 of stack "revDataGridLibrary"
> That still wouldn't save with the stack though.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 23 11:29:58 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 08:29:58 -0700
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <5278D4FD-E070-4A82-AFC3-42A061CD263F@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5278D4FD-E070-4A82-AFC3-42A061CD263F@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8efb895e-76bb-44d4-d24e-78e22569d160@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > With a clearer head I have discovered that indeed setting the behavior
 > in the way prescribed sets it GLOBALLY for ALL grids! That will not do
 > for my purposes, because the grids in my substacks operate a bit
 > differently than the one in the mainstack.
 >
 > Well my workaround before was to put the special handlers for those
 > grids in the respective card or stack scripts. It looks like I will
 > have to go back to that. Curious though that setting the behavior of
 > a datagrid to a custom button, then setting the behavior of the button
 > to the old datagrid behavior button fails. I think that is the real
 > bug, and I have submitted a request to look at that. Othewise we have
 > to say that nested behaviors are not presently fully supported with
 > datagrids.

Was your request submitted through Support or the bug DB?  If the 
latter, do you have the bug report ID?

The more I've explored this the more subclassing by inserting a custom 
behavior in between a custom control and its original behavior should 
work.  It's curious that it doesn't here.

What exactly were the errors you encountered?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 23 12:30:18 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:30:18 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <8efb895e-76bb-44d4-d24e-78e22569d160@fourthworld.com>
References: <5278D4FD-E070-4A82-AFC3-42A061CD263F@iotecdigital.com>
	<8efb895e-76bb-44d4-d24e-78e22569d160@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <70B22FC5-66E2-4228-904C-B89560C523E1@iotecdigital.com>

The Datagrid no longer behaves as such. SelectionChanged never gets triggered. Data doesn't populate. In short, none of the custom props messages seem to arrive at the datagrid library. 

Bob S


> On Jul 23, 2018, at 08:29 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Was your request submitted through Support or the bug DB?  If the latter, do you have the bug report ID?
> 
> The more I've explored this the more subclassing by inserting a custom behavior in between a custom control and its original behavior should work.  It's curious that it doesn't here.
> 
> What exactly were the errors you encountered?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Jul 23 14:02:11 2018
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:02:11 -0700
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <445F86E5-2D9D-4805-8BF4-F8396EB44E50@m-r-d.de>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSprqejDZ2ukvH1ijgLv-F3OQLiSRh+G_9ODcV18mTOB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>
	<A94BA20C-5791-4C62-A29C-35721A804A6F@m-r-d.de>
	<445F86E5-2D9D-4805-8BF4-F8396EB44E50@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <cd0326e1-d3c0-afcf-d93d-0c65164a9289@pdslabs.net>

I wonder what would happen if you turned the bar code by 90 degrees and 
then printed it? Could it be scanned then?

Just a wild thought...

Phil Davis


On 7/22/18 2:43 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Of course i meant
>
> So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels when printed with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.
>
>> Am 22.07.2018 um 23:18 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> I have to add something.
>>
>> As I wrote, we were able to successfully scan the labels. This is true as long as we print the labels with a laser printer.
>>
>> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
>> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear ones.
>>
>> So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.
>>
>> put ?3" into tNarrow
>> put ?6" into tWide
>> set the width of grc "narrowC" to (tNarrow - 2)
>> set the width of grc "narrowB" to (tNarrow -3)
>> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
>> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthias Rebbe
>>
>>
>>> Am 20.07.2018 um 13:31 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>> We tried here with iPhone and also with an USB scanner. Both devices scanned the code successfully.
>>>
>>> I have just finished a program for shipment. It fetches customer and invoice data from the accounting software and creates then the shipment labels including a Code25i barcode and a QR code. The carrier is Trans-o-Flex. I need to send some sample labels to their IT department. They will check if the labels are readable by their scanners. But i am now confident, that this will work on their side also.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 20.07.2018 um 11:31 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Very cool!  Does it actually produce a code that can be scanned?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 3:25 AM Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> you?re awesome. That is already an almost complete solution to my
>>>>> question. Never had expected that. Thank you very much.
>>>>> I?ve made some little changes. One among of them is:
>>>>> To have all the separate bars of the barcode in a group, i changed the
>>>>> lines where the grc is cloned
>>>>> to for example        copy grc ?narrowB? to grp ?barcode2of5?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here?s now my code to convert the nNnNN?. string to Barcode
>>>>>
>>>>> local tLast
>>>>> on mouseup
>>>>> if there is a grp "barcode2of5" then delete grp "barcode2of5"
>>>>> -- now change the width of the template graphics
>>>>> put "2" into tNarrow
>>>>> put "4" into tWide
>>>>> set the width of grc "narrowC" to tNarrow
>>>>> set the width of grc "narrowB" to tNarrow
>>>>> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
>>>>> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
>>>>> put "0" into tHorAdjust -- allows to put a gap beween the separate bars.
>>>>> put "60,286" into tBarTopLeft -- defines where the first bar is placed
>>>>> put empty into tLast
>>>>> put fld "2of5" into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
>>>>> set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
>>>>> create grp "barcode2of5"
>>>>> repeat for each char tChar in tChars
>>>>>     switch tChar
>>>>>        case "N"
>>>>>           -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
>>>>>           --if its the first time through, places it at astart location
>>>>>           -- then uses the id of the most recent bar forplacement
>>>>> purposes
>>>>>           --clone grc "narrowB"
>>>>>           copy grc "narrowB" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>>>           else
>>>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>>>           end if
>>>>>           break
>>>>>        case "n"
>>>>>           --clone grc "narrowC"
>>>>>           copy grc "narrowC" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>>>           else
>>>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>>>           end if
>>>>>           break
>>>>>        case "W"
>>>>>           --clone grc "wideB"
>>>>>           copy grc "wideB" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>>>           else
>>>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>>>           end if
>>>>>           break
>>>>>        case "w"
>>>>>           --clone grc "widec"
>>>>>           copy grc "widec" to grp "barcode2of5"
>>>>>           if tLast is empty then
>>>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to tBarTopLeft
>>>>>           else
>>>>>              set the topleft of the last grc to horAdjust(tHorAdjust)
>>>>>           end if
>>>>>           break
>>>>>     end switch
>>>>>     put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
>>>>> recently placed bar
>>>>> end repeat
>>>>> set the height of grp "barcode2of5" to 69
>>>>> set the width of grp "barcode2of5" to 360
>>>>> end mouseup
>>>>>
>>>>> --This function allows a horizontal adjustment of the single bars.
>>>>> function horAdjust tHorAdjust
>>>>> put the topright of grc id tLast into tTMP
>>>>> set the itemdelimiter to ","
>>>>> add tHorAdjust to item 1 of tTMP
>>>>> return tTMP
>>>>> end horAdjust
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, thank you very much for your help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 20.07.2018 um 01:01 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> Not sure if it will work for your purpose, but as a test I created for
>>>>>> graphic lines, 1 narrow black, 1 wider black, duplicated them and set the
>>>>>> blendlevel of the copies so that they're transparent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grcs are named narrowB, wideB, narrowC and wideC (b for black, c for
>>>>> clear)
>>>>>> Then used the following code (and your example string from above with the
>>>>>> WWnNw stuff) to generate a barcode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on mouseup
>>>>>> put empty into tLast
>>>>>> put field 1 into tChars -- the field with your wNnnW string
>>>>>> set the casesensitive to true -- to differentiate case of course
>>>>>> repeat for each char tChar in tChars
>>>>>>    switch tChar
>>>>>>       case "N" -- checks the char, and clones the matching bar.
>>>>>>                      --if its the first time through, places it at a
>>>>>> start location
>>>>>>                      -- then uses the id of the most recent bar for
>>>>>> placement purposes
>>>>>>          clone grc "narrowB"
>>>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>>>          else
>>>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>>>> tLast
>>>>>>          end if
>>>>>>          break
>>>>>>       case "n"
>>>>>>          clone grc "narrowC"
>>>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>>>          else
>>>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>>>> tLast
>>>>>>          end if
>>>>>>          break
>>>>>>       case "W"
>>>>>>          clone grc "wideB"
>>>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>>>          else
>>>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>>>> tLast
>>>>>>          end if
>>>>>>          break
>>>>>>       case "w"
>>>>>>          clone grc "widec"
>>>>>>          if tLast is empty then
>>>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to 10,50
>>>>>>          else
>>>>>>             set the topleft of the last grc to the topright of grc id
>>>>>> tLast
>>>>>>          end if
>>>>>>          break
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    end switch
>>>>>>    put the short id of the last grc into tLast -- the id of the most
>>>>>> recently placed bar
>>>>>> end repeat
>>>>>> end mouseup
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spacing and line size might need to be tweaked, but it seems like this
>>>>>> would be relatively straight forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:30 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the trick will be drawing large graphics one at a time and
>>>>>>> properly spaced at several times their finished size, perhaps off
>>>>> screen,
>>>>>>> then getting a snapshot of the result and scaling it down. Not sure how
>>>>>>> picky the readers will be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2018, at 15:06 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Currently i am using a special 2of5i barcode font. The font .has only
>>>>>>> four characters (bars) in its set.
>>>>>>>> The code displays a
>>>>>>>> narrow space (blank) bar when the character is n
>>>>>>>> narrow black bar when N
>>>>>>>> wide space when w
>>>>>>>> wide black bar when W
>>>>>>>
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From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Jul 23 14:23:59 2018
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:23:59 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
Message-ID: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>

The problem Bob Sneidar ran into by changing the order of the behaviors of a dataGrid is due to the initialization process of the dataGrid at start-up.

The behavior looks for a resourceStack by means of this handler.

private function _ResourceStack
   local theStack, theCharNo
   put the behavior of me into theStack
   if theStack is not empty then
      put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo  <-- looks only at first behavior which is in Bob's case the wrong stack
      delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
   end if

   return theStack
end _ResourceStack


In Bob's case the function returns the stack the button his newly assembled behavior is placed on instead of stack "revdatagridlibrary.rev".
Then the initialization trys to set again behaviors of specific elements of the datagrid to scripts of the "correct" _ResourceStack.

This fails obviously and is the reason for Bob's approach to fail.

Further details of this on request, I don't want to bother the list with them.

Kind regards

Bernd






Richard Gaskin wrote:

The more I've explored this the more subclassing by inserting a custom behavior in between a custom control and its original behavior should work. It's curious that it doesn't here.

What exactly were the errors you encountered?




From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jul 23 17:01:02 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:01:02 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
Message-ID: <af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>

So that is something that could be fixed pretty easily. I?m thinking a script local to store the value which will offset the additional work to figure it out the first time.

Logic would be to check for some key object and if not found then move up the behavior chain a level and look. Could either decide that only one could be there or just keep going until there are no more. There is no error checking now, so it could fail in the same manner.

A side effect would be that the call would be faster for every other use since it would only be checking that the script local wasn?t empty and returning the value.

Another option would be to just initialize the variable in _Initialize and use it for the 10 places the function is currently used. That would be even faster since it would eliminate the function call completely.

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 23, 2018, 1:24 PM -0500, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> The problem Bob Sneidar ran into by changing the order of the behaviors of a dataGrid is due to the initialization process of the dataGrid at start-up.
>
> The behavior looks for a resourceStack by means of this handler.
>
> private function _ResourceStack
> local theStack, theCharNo
> put the behavior of me into theStack
> if theStack is not empty then
> put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo <-- looks only at first behavior which is in Bob's case the wrong stack
> delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
> end if
>
> return theStack
> end _ResourceStack
>
>
> In Bob's case the function returns the stack the button his newly assembled behavior is placed on instead of stack "revdatagridlibrary.rev".
> Then the initialization trys to set again behaviors of specific elements of the datagrid to scripts of the "correct" _ResourceStack.
>
> This fails obviously and is the reason for Bob's approach to fail.
>
> Further details of this on request, I don't want to bother the list with them.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Bernd
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
> The more I've explored this the more subclassing by inserting a custom behavior in between a custom control and its original behavior should work. It's curious that it doesn't here.
>
> What exactly were the errors you encountered?
>
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 23 17:50:56 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 21:50:56 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
Message-ID: <88305DA8-C32B-4304-AFE7-BF6EED130B01@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks for looking into this all. Leave it to me to attempt some edge case scenario. I'm curious how Trevor handles this in his levure framework. There's no way I can see to move current custom code to a stack only script for datagrids. 

Bob S


> On Jul 23, 2018, at 14:01 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> So that is something that could be fixed pretty easily. I?m thinking a script local to store the value which will offset the additional work to figure it out the first time.
> 
> Logic would be to check for some key object and if not found then move up the behavior chain a level and look. Could either decide that only one could be there or just keep going until there are no more. There is no error checking now, so it could fail in the same manner.
> 
> A side effect would be that the call would be faster for every other use since it would only be checking that the script local wasn?t empty and returning the value.
> 
> Another option would be to just initialize the variable in _Initialize and use it for the 10 places the function is currently used. That would be even faster since it would eliminate the function call completely.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> On Jul 23, 2018, 1:24 PM -0500, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>> The problem Bob Sneidar ran into by changing the order of the behaviors of a dataGrid is due to the initialization process of the dataGrid at start-up.
>> 
>> The behavior looks for a resourceStack by means of this handler.
>> 
>> private function _ResourceStack
>> local theStack, theCharNo
>> put the behavior of me into theStack
>> if theStack is not empty then
>> put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo <-- looks only at first behavior which is in Bob's case the wrong stack
>> delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
>> end if
>> 
>> return theStack
>> end _ResourceStack
>> 
>> 
>> In Bob's case the function returns the stack the button his newly assembled behavior is placed on instead of stack "revdatagridlibrary.rev".
>> Then the initialization trys to set again behaviors of specific elements of the datagrid to scripts of the "correct" _ResourceStack.
>> 
>> This fails obviously and is the reason for Bob's approach to fail.
>> 
>> Further details of this on request, I don't want to bother the list with them.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Bernd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> 
>> The more I've explored this the more subclassing by inserting a custom behavior in between a custom control and its original behavior should work. It's curious that it doesn't here.
>> 
>> What exactly were the errors you encountered?

From davros at bellaliant.net  Mon Jul 23 17:57:41 2018
From: davros at bellaliant.net (John McKenzie)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:57:41 -0300
Subject: Data Persistence
Message-ID: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>



 Hello, all.

 I am new to Livecode development but not computing. When I heard of
something that was inspired by Hypercard I had to know more. Used
Livecode to make a little app on my phone for work but the level of
interest this app generated now make me want to finish it, and maybe
even share and/or sell it. Livecode is pretty cool and I am looking
forward to learning how to use it and do stuff with it.

 So my first (and I sadly suspect not last) question to the list is
about persistence on the Android platform.

 My job is in the aviation industry. For now I want to get it working.
Then I will polish it off, beta test it, etc. One airline rep gave me
his card and said to call him about it if I wanted to sell it.

 The get it working part is where I need your help. I was unclear on
what Livecode could and could not do so I emailed them and a very
helpful person named Heather educated me a bit. Now that I know it
might work for my application I would appreciate your help in getting
it working.

 Right now it will be an Android app. iOS app later probably.

 The app is to help me record times and other facts about plane
landings (like when the plane landed and how much fuel is requested by
the Captain). At the end of a flight I can press a button and an email
addressed to our operations centre is auto-populated in the body of the
text with these numbers. For example if I press the button labelled
"ATA" (actual time of arrival) it places the current time in the text
field next to the ATA button. I can touch the text field and edit the
time if need be.

 What I need help with is the issue of persistence. If I get an SMS
message, a phone call or an alarm goes off the data will be wiped out
when I return to the app. Sometimes if I leave the app to check
something else and come back the data is there and other times the text
fields are all blank. Tried saving the data in a text file and having
the app load it up each time it starts. Most of the time this does not
work. Usually when I start the app up again at the beginning of the
next shift it starts up with the times of yesterday's flight.


 So I would like to know how to properly hold the data so the entries
in the text fields are still there when I go to another app then come
back to mine. looking to have basic persistence in my app.

 Guidance on the (or one of the) proper way(s) to accomplish this
would be most appreciated.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 23 18:01:29 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:01:29 +0000
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <A94BA20C-5791-4C62-A29C-35721A804A6F@m-r-d.de>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSprqejDZ2ukvH1ijgLv-F3OQLiSRh+G_9ODcV18mTOB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>
	<A94BA20C-5791-4C62-A29C-35721A804A6F@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <AE565B65-9B75-4D7F-8689-981798B4F7F9@iotecdigital.com>

Out of curiosity, does printed barcodes from the laserwriter still work with these settings?

Bob S


> On Jul 22, 2018, at 14:18 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have to add something.
> 
> As I wrote, we were able to successfully scan the labels. This is true as long as we print the labels with a laser printer.
> 
> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear ones.
> 
> So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.
> 
> put ?3" into tNarrow
> put ?6" into tWide
> set the width of grc "narrowC" to (tNarrow - 2)
> set the width of grc "narrowB" to (tNarrow -3)
> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias Rebbe


From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jul 23 18:21:08 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:21:08 -0500
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
References: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
Message-ID: <e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>

I built a time tracking app that had the same type of persistence requirement. I used a text file for the data store. Each time any field had a change, the data was saved again. When loading the app it would import the current data. Data was only cleared on request (and I would only allow that after it was emailed). When cleared, I deleted the file.

As you have discovered, on mobile your app can be terminated at any time and you may not be given a chance to save data before then.

My test was on iOS but it should work the same on Android.

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 23, 2018, 4:58 PM -0500, John McKenzie via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>
>
> Hello, all.
>
> I am new to Livecode development but not computing. When I heard of
> something that was inspired by Hypercard I had to know more. Used
> Livecode to make a little app on my phone for work but the level of
> interest this app generated now make me want to finish it, and maybe
> even share and/or sell it. Livecode is pretty cool and I am looking
> forward to learning how to use it and do stuff with it.
>
> So my first (and I sadly suspect not last) question to the list is
> about persistence on the Android platform.
>
> My job is in the aviation industry. For now I want to get it working.
> Then I will polish it off, beta test it, etc. One airline rep gave me
> his card and said to call him about it if I wanted to sell it.
>
> The get it working part is where I need your help. I was unclear on
> what Livecode could and could not do so I emailed them and a very
> helpful person named Heather educated me a bit. Now that I know it
> might work for my application I would appreciate your help in getting
> it working.
>
> Right now it will be an Android app. iOS app later probably.
>
> The app is to help me record times and other facts about plane
> landings (like when the plane landed and how much fuel is requested by
> the Captain). At the end of a flight I can press a button and an email
> addressed to our operations centre is auto-populated in the body of the
> text with these numbers. For example if I press the button labelled
> "ATA" (actual time of arrival) it places the current time in the text
> field next to the ATA button. I can touch the text field and edit the
> time if need be.
>
> What I need help with is the issue of persistence. If I get an SMS
> message, a phone call or an alarm goes off the data will be wiped out
> when I return to the app. Sometimes if I leave the app to check
> something else and come back the data is there and other times the text
> fields are all blank. Tried saving the data in a text file and having
> the app load it up each time it starts. Most of the time this does not
> work. Usually when I start the app up again at the beginning of the
> next shift it starts up with the times of yesterday's flight.
>
>
> So I would like to know how to properly hold the data so the entries
> in the text fields are still there when I go to another app then come
> back to mine. looking to have basic persistence in my app.
>
> Guidance on the (or one of the) proper way(s) to accomplish this
> would be most appreciated.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Jul 23 18:22:39 2018
From: Bernd.Niggemann at uni-wh.de (Niggemann, Bernd)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:22:39 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
Message-ID: <7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>

my solution would be to change private function _ResourceStack of stack RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior to

private function _ResourceStack
  local theStack, theCharNo
  put the behavior of me into theStack

  repeat
     if trueWord - 1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is empty then
        exit repeat
     else
        put the behavior of theStack into theStack
     end if
  end repeat

  if theStack is not empty then
     put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
     delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
  end if

  return theStack
end _ResourceStack


as far as speed is concerned it is probably slower than Brian's suggestion but one has only to change one handler. Then again it is only during initialization of the dataGrid

That way one could use Bob's setup

modified behavior button
|
|
existing behavior 1
|
|
existing behavior 2

and set the behavior of group "dataGrid x" to the long id of button "modified behavior button"

And all other instances of the dataGrid would use their default behaviors.

Kind regards

Bernd



> Am 23.07.2018 um 23:01 schrieb Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com>:
> 
> So that is something that could be fixed pretty easily. I?m thinking a script local to store the value which will offset the additional work to figure it out the first time.
> 
> Logic would be to check for some key object and if not found then move up the behavior chain a level and look. Could either decide that only one could be there or just keep going until there are no more. There is no error checking now, so it could fail in the same manner.
> 
> A side effect would be that the call would be faster for every other use since it would only be checking that the script local wasn?t empty and returning the value.
> 
> Another option would be to just initialize the variable in _Initialize and use it for the 10 places the function is currently used. That would be even faster since it would eliminate the function call completely.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> On Jul 23, 2018, 1:24 PM -0500, Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>> The problem Bob Sneidar ran into by changing the order of the behaviors of a dataGrid is due to the initialization process of the dataGrid at start-up.
>> 
>> The behavior looks for a resourceStack by means of this handler.
>> 
>> private function _ResourceStack
>> local theStack, theCharNo
>> put the behavior of me into theStack
>> if theStack is not empty then
>> put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo <-- looks only at first behavior which is in Bob's case the wrong stack
>> delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
>> end if
>> 
>> return theStack
>> end _ResourceStack
>> 
>> 
>> In Bob's case the function returns the stack the button his newly assembled behavior is placed on instead of stack "revdatagridlibrary.rev".
>> Then the initialization trys to set again behaviors of specific elements of the datagrid to scripts of the "correct" _ResourceStack.
>> 
>> This fails obviously and is the reason for Bob's approach to fail.
>> 
>> Further details of this on request, I don't want to bother the list with them.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Bernd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> 
>> The more I've explored this the more subclassing by inserting a custom behavior in between a custom control and its original behavior should work. It's curious that it doesn't here.
>> 
>> What exactly were the errors you encountered?
>> 
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From jiml at netrin.com  Mon Jul 23 18:34:56 2018
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:34:56 -0700
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <mailman.494.1532384566.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.494.1532384566.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2F5AD704-4447-4AA6-AD40-8FD0C67385E4@netrin.com>

> Matthias wrote:
> 
> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear ones.


I wonder if it would make a difference to print snapshots of the graphic group rather then the group itself?

Jim Lambert


From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jul 23 18:39:55 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:39:55 -0400
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
References: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
	<e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLK1rKx14tX0979+uDO=YYHHbfn43dC9HsSKSZ1zd_gZ=g@mail.gmail.com>

welcome john.....just as a tip....arrayencode is very handy for saving
whatever you need....you can always also use a sqlite database to store
data and load / refresh whenever you need....it also also works as
in-memory database.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I built a time tracking app that had the same type of persistence
> requirement. I used a text file for the data store. Each time any field had
> a change, the data was saved again. When loading the app it would import
> the current data. Data was only cleared on request (and I would only allow
> that after it was emailed). When cleared, I deleted the file.
>
> As you have discovered, on mobile your app can be terminated at any time
> and you may not be given a chance to save data before then.
>
> My test was on iOS but it should work the same on Android.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
> On Jul 23, 2018, 4:58 PM -0500, John McKenzie via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello, all.
> >
> > I am new to Livecode development but not computing. When I heard of
> > something that was inspired by Hypercard I had to know more. Used
> > Livecode to make a little app on my phone for work but the level of
> > interest this app generated now make me want to finish it, and maybe
> > even share and/or sell it. Livecode is pretty cool and I am looking
> > forward to learning how to use it and do stuff with it.
> >
> > So my first (and I sadly suspect not last) question to the list is
> > about persistence on the Android platform.
> >
> > My job is in the aviation industry. For now I want to get it working.
> > Then I will polish it off, beta test it, etc. One airline rep gave me
> > his card and said to call him about it if I wanted to sell it.
> >
> > The get it working part is where I need your help. I was unclear on
> > what Livecode could and could not do so I emailed them and a very
> > helpful person named Heather educated me a bit. Now that I know it
> > might work for my application I would appreciate your help in getting
> > it working.
> >
> > Right now it will be an Android app. iOS app later probably.
> >
> > The app is to help me record times and other facts about plane
> > landings (like when the plane landed and how much fuel is requested by
> > the Captain). At the end of a flight I can press a button and an email
> > addressed to our operations centre is auto-populated in the body of the
> > text with these numbers. For example if I press the button labelled
> > "ATA" (actual time of arrival) it places the current time in the text
> > field next to the ATA button. I can touch the text field and edit the
> > time if need be.
> >
> > What I need help with is the issue of persistence. If I get an SMS
> > message, a phone call or an alarm goes off the data will be wiped out
> > when I return to the app. Sometimes if I leave the app to check
> > something else and come back the data is there and other times the text
> > fields are all blank. Tried saving the data in a text file and having
> > the app load it up each time it starts. Most of the time this does not
> > work. Usually when I start the app up again at the beginning of the
> > next shift it starts up with the times of yesterday's flight.
> >
> >
> > So I would like to know how to properly hold the data so the entries
> > in the text fields are still there when I go to another app then come
> > back to mine. looking to have basic persistence in my app.
> >
> > Guidance on the (or one of the) proper way(s) to accomplish this
> > would be most appreciated.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 23 18:46:53 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:46:53 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
Message-ID: <389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>

I tried this, I apparently don't have permission to save the file once edited. It's probably in the Livecode APP bundle. I'll poke around and test this later. 

Bob S


> On Jul 23, 2018, at 15:22 , Niggemann, Bernd via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> my solution would be to change private function _ResourceStack of stack RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior to
> 
> private function _ResourceStack
>  local theStack, theCharNo
>  put the behavior of me into theStack
> 
>  repeat
>     if trueWord - 1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is empty then
>        exit repeat
>     else
>        put the behavior of theStack into theStack
>     end if
>  end repeat
> 
>  if theStack is not empty then
>     put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
>     delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
>  end if
> 
>  return theStack
> end _ResourceStack




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 23 19:03:34 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 23:03:34 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>

I found and made a copy of the datagrid library stack on my desktop. I still cannot save the modification you proposed to the script of the datagrid button in this stack. It says it can't open stack script file. 

Well my workaround is functional, so I'm sticking with that. If the devs want to take your patch and bundle it in with the next release that would be great. I have no idea how to make that happen. 

Bob S


> On Jul 23, 2018, at 15:46 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I tried this, I apparently don't have permission to save the file once edited. It's probably in the Livecode APP bundle. I'll poke around and test this later. 
> 
> Bob S




From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jul 23 19:53:59 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:53:59 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
	<163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>

What OS are you using? It will be inside the IDE, but will get copied into your app as well. You will probably need admin rights to edit. I would do it in an external editor too.

It probably would be an enhancement request (therefore 9.1), but I would be happy to submit a PR against a BZ report.
On Jul 23, 2018, 6:04 PM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> I found and made a copy of the datagrid library stack on my desktop. I still cannot save the modification you proposed to the script of the datagrid button in this stack. It says it can't open stack script file.
>
> Well my workaround is functional, so I'm sticking with that. If the devs want to take your patch and bundle it in with the next release that would be great. I have no idea how to make that happen.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 2018, at 15:46 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I tried this, I apparently don't have permission to save the file once edited. It's probably in the Livecode APP bundle. I'll poke around and test this later.
> >
> > Bob S
>
>
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Jul 24 00:33:22 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 23:33:22 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <88305DA8-C32B-4304-AFE7-BF6EED130B01@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<88305DA8-C32B-4304-AFE7-BF6EED130B01@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8XiNCAtGnvJonUbB_NzCgXnzYC_3V7pVhrYabw0ZsUEQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:51 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for looking into this all. Leave it to me to attempt some edge case
> scenario. I'm curious how Trevor handles this in his levure framework.
> There's no way I can see to move current custom code to a stack only script
> for datagrids.
>

Well, I don't use Data Grids very often anymore so it isn't a problem. I
have a DataView control similar to a Data Grid Form. The way it is designed
you can assign a custom script to the behavior of the DataView group and
then assign the original DataView group behavior as the behavior of the
custom behavior. Using the new "with behavior" syntax the first line of my
custom behavior script only stack looks like this:

```
script "Article Editor Dataview Behavior" with behavior "DataView Group
Behavior"
...
```

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com


From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul 24 01:12:18 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 00:12:18 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
	<163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>

Here is my slight modification to the suggestion:

local sResourceStack
private function _ResourceStack
   local theStack, theCharNo

   if sResourceStack is empty then
      put the behavior of me into theStack

      repeat
         if trueWord -1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is
empty then
            exit repeat
         else
            put the behavior of theStack into theStack
         end if
      end repeat

      if theStack is not empty then
         put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
         delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
      end if
      put theStack into sResourceStack
   end if

   return sResourceStack
end _ResourceStack


I also noticed that there are extra "stack" references in the code (stack
_ResourceStack instead of just _ResourceStack 4/10 uses).

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:

> What OS are you using? It will be inside the IDE, but will get copied into
> your app as well. You will probably need admin rights to edit. I would do
> it in an external editor too.
>
> It probably would be an enhancement request (therefore 9.1), but I would
> be happy to submit a PR against a BZ report.
> On Jul 23, 2018, 6:04 PM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>
> I found and made a copy of the datagrid library stack on my desktop. I
> still cannot save the modification you proposed to the script of the
> datagrid button in this stack. It says it can't open stack script file.
>
> Well my workaround is functional, so I'm sticking with that. If the devs
> want to take your patch and bundle it in with the next release that would
> be great. I have no idea how to make that happen.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2018, at 15:46 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I tried this, I apparently don't have permission to save the file once
> edited. It's probably in the Livecode APP bundle. I'll poke around and test
> this later.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Tue Jul 24 03:20:19 2018
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 02:20:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2672540-4779-473E-9566-E6EB6ABF75E0@iotecdigital.com>
	<E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
	<163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>
	<CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1532416819513-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Brian
That is a nice modification, makes it faster and is still only in one place.


>I also noticed that there are extra "stack" references in the code (stack
>_ResourceStack instead of just _ResourceStack 4/10 uses).

to my surprise both versions work.

Kind regards
Bernd


Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote
> Here is my slight modification to the suggestion:
> 
> local sResourceStack
> private function _ResourceStack
>    local theStack, theCharNo
> 
>    if sResourceStack is empty then
>       put the behavior of me into theStack
> 
>       repeat
>          if trueWord -1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is
> empty then
>             exit repeat
>          else
>             put the behavior of theStack into theStack
>          end if
>       end repeat
> 
>       if theStack is not empty then
>          put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
>          delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
>       end if
>       put theStack into sResourceStack
>    end if
> 
>    return sResourceStack
> end _ResourceStack
> 
> 
> I also noticed that there are extra "stack" references in the code (stack
> _ResourceStack instead of just _ResourceStack 4/10 uses).
> 
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Brian Milby &lt;

> brian@

> &gt; wrote:
> 
>> What OS are you using? It will be inside the IDE, but will get copied
>> into
>> your app as well. You will probably need admin rights to edit. I would do
>> it in an external editor too.
>>
>> It probably would be an enhancement request (therefore 9.1), but I would
>> be happy to submit a PR against a BZ report.
>> On Jul 23, 2018, 6:04 PM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> 

> use-livecode at .runrev

>>, wrote:
>>
>> I found and made a copy of the datagrid library stack on my desktop. I
>> still cannot save the modification you proposed to the script of the
>> datagrid button in this stack. It says it can't open stack script file.
>>
>> Well my workaround is functional, so I'm sticking with that. If the devs
>> want to take your patch and bundle it in with the next release that would
>> be great. I have no idea how to make that happen.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 15:46 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> 

> use-livecode at .runrev

>> wrote:
>>
>> I tried this, I apparently don't have permission to save the file once
>> edited. It's probably in the Livecode APP bundle. I'll poke around and
>> test
>> this later.
>>
>> Bob S





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From keith.clarke at me.com  Tue Jul 24 04:15:56 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:15:56 +0100
Subject: Example of Livecode function settings array syntax?
Message-ID: <9588A949-82D6-4B04-9EF7-03E66B9C1722@me.com>

Hi folks,
I?m trying to add username & password to the pSettings parameter in the tsNetPost function but have no clue on the correct syntax for settings parameter arrays.

Unfortunately, the documentation is not helpful in this regard for the infrequent user - no brief syntax description, code examples or cross-references.

I?d be obliged if anyone could please point me at a dictionary entry containing a worked example or lesson showing correct function settings array syntax?
Thanks & regards,
Keith

 





From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Tue Jul 24 04:27:56 2018
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 18:27:56 +1000
Subject: Example of Livecode function settings array syntax?
In-Reply-To: <9588A949-82D6-4B04-9EF7-03E66B9C1722@me.com>
References: <9588A949-82D6-4B04-9EF7-03E66B9C1722@me.com>
Message-ID: <34A9F6D2-8219-4A30-8E4A-904AE63EED80@techstrategies.com.au>

Hi Keith,

If you take a look at the following LC lesson for uploading a file via FTP with tsNet, it shows how to add a username and password to the settings parameter of a tsNet function (which in the example is the tsNetUploadSync command).

http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/851756-how-to-upload-a-file-using-FTP

The same method works for all tsNet functions that accept a settings parameter.

Please let me know if that answers your question,

Regards,

Charles

> On 24 Jul 2018, at 6:15 pm, Keith Clarke via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> I?m trying to add username & password to the pSettings parameter in the tsNetPost function but have no clue on the correct syntax for settings parameter arrays.
> 
> Unfortunately, the documentation is not helpful in this regard for the infrequent user - no brief syntax description, code examples or cross-references.
> 
> I?d be obliged if anyone could please point me at a dictionary entry containing a worked example or lesson showing correct function settings array syntax?
> Thanks & regards,
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From keith.clarke at me.com  Tue Jul 24 04:43:31 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:43:31 +0100
Subject: Example of Livecode function settings array syntax?
In-Reply-To: <34A9F6D2-8219-4A30-8E4A-904AE63EED80@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <9588A949-82D6-4B04-9EF7-03E66B9C1722@me.com>
	<34A9F6D2-8219-4A30-8E4A-904AE63EED80@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <E8E88F63-1F11-4BD4-A212-96BF97D935EE@me.com>

Hi Charles, 
Many thanks that?s exactly the cross-reference needed in the docs and has me over that hurdle
?and I?m onto a whole new set of error messages now! :-)
Best,
Keith

> On 24 Jul 2018, at 09:27, Charles Warwick via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> If you take a look at the following LC lesson for uploading a file via FTP with tsNet, it shows how to add a username and password to the settings parameter of a tsNet function (which in the example is the tsNetUploadSync command).
> 
> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/851756-how-to-upload-a-file-using-FTP
> 
> The same method works for all tsNet functions that accept a settings parameter.
> 
> Please let me know if that answers your question,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Charles
> 
>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 6:15 pm, Keith Clarke via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> I?m trying to add username & password to the pSettings parameter in the tsNetPost function but have no clue on the correct syntax for settings parameter arrays.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, the documentation is not helpful in this regard for the infrequent user - no brief syntax description, code examples or cross-references.
>> 
>> I?d be obliged if anyone could please point me at a dictionary entry containing a worked example or lesson showing correct function settings array syntax?
>> Thanks & regards,
>> Keith
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 24 10:53:26 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:53:26 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
	<163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>
	<CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11ECA1F9-C349-440E-B701-C97C52320EE9@iotecdigital.com>

I did so. I get this when opening my test stack:

91,260,123
62,260,123
77,260,123
456,260,57
534,260,123
253,260,123
241,236,1,_Initialize
353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Community 9.0.1 (rc 1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/palettes/revdatagridlibrary/behaviorsdatagridbuttonbehavior.livecodescript"
573,188,1,_Initialize

I'll poke around later. 

Bob S


> On Jul 23, 2018, at 22:12 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> local sResourceStack
> private function _ResourceStack
>   local theStack, theCharNo
> 
>   if sResourceStack is empty then
>      put the behavior of me into theStack
> 
>      repeat
>         if trueWord -1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is
> empty then
>            exit repeat
>         else
>            put the behavior of theStack into theStack
>         end if
>      end repeat
> 
>      if theStack is not empty then
>         put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
>         delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
>      end if
>      put theStack into sResourceStack
>   end if
> 
>   return sResourceStack
> end _ResourceStack




From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul 24 10:57:37 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:57:37 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <11ECA1F9-C349-440E-B701-C97C52320EE9@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
	<163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>
	<CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<11ECA1F9-C349-440E-B701-C97C52320EE9@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <e320cd3c-e6f7-4d34-80e9-afdeda371c9d@Spark>

I?ll put something together tonight. The code in the library has to be updated before opening a card with a DG that has the adjusted behavior chain. I have an idea on how to do it in script, but need to test it out to verify it will work.
On Jul 24, 2018, 9:54 AM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> I did so. I get this when opening my test stack:
>
> 91,260,123
> 62,260,123
> 77,260,123
> 456,260,57
> 534,260,123
> 253,260,123
> 241,236,1,_Initialize
> 353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Community 9.0.1 (rc 1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/palettes/revdatagridlibrary/behaviorsdatagridbuttonbehavior.livecodescript"
> 573,188,1,_Initialize
>
> I'll poke around later.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 2018, at 22:12 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > local sResourceStack
> > private function _ResourceStack
> > local theStack, theCharNo
> >
> > if sResourceStack is empty then
> > put the behavior of me into theStack
> >
> > repeat
> > if trueWord -1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is
> > empty then
> > exit repeat
> > else
> > put the behavior of theStack into theStack
> > end if
> > end repeat
> >
> > if theStack is not empty then
> > put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
> > delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
> > end if
> > put theStack into sResourceStack
> > end if
> >
> > return sResourceStack
> > end _ResourceStack
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 24 11:03:07 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 15:03:07 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <e320cd3c-e6f7-4d34-80e9-afdeda371c9d@Spark>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
	<163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>
	<CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<11ECA1F9-C349-440E-B701-C97C52320EE9@iotecdigital.com>
	<e320cd3c-e6f7-4d34-80e9-afdeda371c9d@Spark>
Message-ID: <8914AF5C-FC55-42E0-8A80-D33380F11A03@iotecdigital.com>

Never mind Brian, it works. I had the behavior of the custom button set the the behavior STACK and NOT the reDataGridLibrary stack button (now empty). 

Once I got the behavior of the custom button set to the old behavior button, the datagrid now works! You guys are freaking geniuses! 

Bob S


> On Jul 24, 2018, at 07:57 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ll put something together tonight. The code in the library has to be updated before opening a card with a DG that has the adjusted behavior chain. I have an idea on how to do it in script, but need to test it out to verify it will work.
> On Jul 24, 2018, 9:54 AM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>> I did so. I get this when opening my test stack:
>> 
>> 91,260,123
>> 62,260,123
>> 77,260,123
>> 456,260,57
>> 534,260,123
>> 253,260,123
>> 241,236,1,_Initialize
>> 353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Community 9.0.1 (rc 1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/palettes/revdatagridlibrary/behaviorsdatagridbuttonbehavior.livecodescript"
>> 573,188,1,_Initialize
>> 
>> I'll poke around later.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 22:12 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> local sResourceStack
>>> private function _ResourceStack
>>> local theStack, theCharNo
>>> 
>>> if sResourceStack is empty then
>>> put the behavior of me into theStack
>>> 
>>> repeat
>>> if trueWord -1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is
>>> empty then
>>> exit repeat
>>> else
>>> put the behavior of theStack into theStack
>>> end if
>>> end repeat
>>> 
>>> if theStack is not empty then
>>> put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
>>> delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
>>> end if
>>> put theStack into sResourceStack
>>> end if
>>> 
>>> return sResourceStack
>>> end _ResourceStack
>> 
>> 
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From smk at anvic.net  Tue Jul 24 11:44:30 2018
From: smk at anvic.net (Simon Knight)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 16:44:30 +0100
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
Message-ID: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>

Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.

best wishes

Simon K.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 24 12:14:39 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 16:14:39 +0000
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
Message-ID: <9C16C7ED-DDCA-45C7-9D83-99EA7A2D6929@iotecdigital.com>

I have a custom control group with a series of buttons, each with an enabled icon and a disabled icon. I have this if the group script, which should give you some idea how to proceed:

on newBackground
   -- Relink buttons to graphics as they all have different ID's now
   set the icon of button "btnNew" to the short id of image "imgNew"
   set the disabledIcon of button "btnNew" to the short id of image "imgNewDisabled"
   set the icon of button "btnDelete" to the short id of image "imgDelete"
   set the disabledIcon of button "btnDelete" to the short id of image "imgDeleteDisabled"
   set the icon of button "btnEdit" to the short id of image "imgEdit"
   set the disabledIcon of button "btnEdit" to the short id of image "imgEditDisabled"
   set the icon of button "btnCancel" to the short id of image "imgCancel"
   set the disabledIcon of button "btnCancel" to the short id of image "imgCancelDisabled"
   set the icon of button "btnSave" to the short id of image "imgSave"
   set the disabledIcon of button "btnSave" to the short id of image "imgSaveDisabled"
   set the icon of button "btnHome" to the short id of image "imgHome"
   set the disabledIcon of button "btnHome" to the short id of image "imgHomeDisabled"
   pass newBackground
end newBackground

In retrospect I should have created a loop, but that would depend on the image names being predictable. As you can see I have named all my icons in such a way so as to reflect the name of the button itself. If you do that, this could be made into a generic handler that would work for any group with buttons next to their icon images, and you wouldn't need to use literals. 

Bob S


> On Jul 24, 2018, at 08:44 , Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Simon K.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 24 12:35:31 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 16:35:31 +0000
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <9C16C7ED-DDCA-45C7-9D83-99EA7A2D6929@iotecdigital.com>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<9C16C7ED-DDCA-45C7-9D83-99EA7A2D6929@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BD41BF59-D5D5-4710-89BC-A8416B79302A@iotecdigital.com>

No sooner said than done. Keep in mind this method depends on four things: 

1. Your main group consists of a number of child groups composed of three controls: a button, an icon image and a disabledIcon image
2. Your button names begin with "btn" and your images begin with "img" eg. "btnNew"
3. Your "icon" images are named like your buttons, excluding the first three characters eg. "imgNew"
4. Your "disabledIcon" images are named like your buttons, excluding the first three characters, and ending in "Disabled" eg. "imgNewDisabled"

on newBackground
   put the childcontrolNames of me into tGroupList
   
   repeat for each line tGroup in tGroupList
      put the childControlNames of group tGroup into tControlList
      filter tControlList with "btn*"
      
      repeat for each line tButtonName in tControlList
         put char 4 to -1 of tButtonName into tControlName
         put "img" & tControlName into tEnabledImage
         put "img" & tControlName into tDisabledImage
         set the icon of button tButtonName to the short id of image tEnabledImage
         set the disabledIcon of button tButtonName to the short id of image tDisabledImage
      end repeat
   end repeat
   pass newBackground
end newBackground
  

> On Jul 24, 2018, at 09:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a custom control group with a series of buttons, each with an enabled icon and a disabled icon. I have this if the group script, which should give you some idea how to proceed:
> 
> on newBackground
>   -- Relink buttons to graphics as they all have different ID's now
>   set the icon of button "btnNew" to the short id of image "imgNew"
>   set the disabledIcon of button "btnNew" to the short id of image "imgNewDisabled"
>   set the icon of button "btnDelete" to the short id of image "imgDelete"
>   set the disabledIcon of button "btnDelete" to the short id of image "imgDeleteDisabled"
>   set the icon of button "btnEdit" to the short id of image "imgEdit"
>   set the disabledIcon of button "btnEdit" to the short id of image "imgEditDisabled"
>   set the icon of button "btnCancel" to the short id of image "imgCancel"
>   set the disabledIcon of button "btnCancel" to the short id of image "imgCancelDisabled"
>   set the icon of button "btnSave" to the short id of image "imgSave"
>   set the disabledIcon of button "btnSave" to the short id of image "imgSaveDisabled"
>   set the icon of button "btnHome" to the short id of image "imgHome"
>   set the disabledIcon of button "btnHome" to the short id of image "imgHomeDisabled"
>   pass newBackground
> end newBackground
> 
> In retrospect I should have created a loop, but that would depend on the image names being predictable. As you can see I have named all my icons in such a way so as to reflect the name of the button itself. If you do that, this could be made into a generic handler that would work for any group with buttons next to their icon images, and you wouldn't need to use literals. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 08:44 , Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.
>> 
>> best wishes
>> 
>> Simon K.
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 24 12:43:59 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 16:43:59 +0000
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <BD41BF59-D5D5-4710-89BC-A8416B79302A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<9C16C7ED-DDCA-45C7-9D83-99EA7A2D6929@iotecdigital.com>
	<BD41BF59-D5D5-4710-89BC-A8416B79302A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <244FFD6E-F8D1-47EE-860D-1FB4D3BC3AA7@iotecdigital.com>

Hmmm just tested. Doesn't seem to work. I'll have to investigate why. The old script works though I pasted it numerous times. 

Bob S


> On Jul 24, 2018, at 09:35 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> No sooner said than done. Keep in mind this method depends on four things: 
> 
> 1. Your main group consists of a number of child groups composed of three controls: a button, an icon image and a disabledIcon image
> 2. Your button names begin with "btn" and your images begin with "img" eg. "btnNew"
> 3. Your "icon" images are named like your buttons, excluding the first three characters eg. "imgNew"
> 4. Your "disabledIcon" images are named like your buttons, excluding the first three characters, and ending in "Disabled" eg. "imgNewDisabled"
> 
> on newBackground
>   put the childcontrolNames of me into tGroupList
> 
>   repeat for each line tGroup in tGroupList
>      put the childControlNames of group tGroup into tControlList
>      filter tControlList with "btn*"
> 
>      repeat for each line tButtonName in tControlList
>         put char 4 to -1 of tButtonName into tControlName
>         put "img" & tControlName into tEnabledImage
>         put "img" & tControlName into tDisabledImage
>         set the icon of button tButtonName to the short id of image tEnabledImage
>         set the disabledIcon of button tButtonName to the short id of image tDisabledImage
>      end repeat
>   end repeat
>   pass newBackground
> end newBackground
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 09:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a custom control group with a series of buttons, each with an enabled icon and a disabled icon. I have this if the group script, which should give you some idea how to proceed:
>> 
>> on newBackground
>>  -- Relink buttons to graphics as they all have different ID's now
>>  set the icon of button "btnNew" to the short id of image "imgNew"
>>  set the disabledIcon of button "btnNew" to the short id of image "imgNewDisabled"
>>  set the icon of button "btnDelete" to the short id of image "imgDelete"
>>  set the disabledIcon of button "btnDelete" to the short id of image "imgDeleteDisabled"
>>  set the icon of button "btnEdit" to the short id of image "imgEdit"
>>  set the disabledIcon of button "btnEdit" to the short id of image "imgEditDisabled"
>>  set the icon of button "btnCancel" to the short id of image "imgCancel"
>>  set the disabledIcon of button "btnCancel" to the short id of image "imgCancelDisabled"
>>  set the icon of button "btnSave" to the short id of image "imgSave"
>>  set the disabledIcon of button "btnSave" to the short id of image "imgSaveDisabled"
>>  set the icon of button "btnHome" to the short id of image "imgHome"
>>  set the disabledIcon of button "btnHome" to the short id of image "imgHomeDisabled"
>>  pass newBackground
>> end newBackground
>> 
>> In retrospect I should have created a loop, but that would depend on the image names being predictable. As you can see I have named all my icons in such a way so as to reflect the name of the button itself. If you do that, this could be made into a generic handler that would work for any group with buttons next to their icon images, and you wouldn't need to use literals. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 08:44 , Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.
>>> 
>>> best wishes
>>> 
>>> Simon K.
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 24 12:56:42 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 16:56:42 +0000
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <244FFD6E-F8D1-47EE-860D-1FB4D3BC3AA7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<9C16C7ED-DDCA-45C7-9D83-99EA7A2D6929@iotecdigital.com>
	<BD41BF59-D5D5-4710-89BC-A8416B79302A@iotecdigital.com>
	<244FFD6E-F8D1-47EE-860D-1FB4D3BC3AA7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5C9C2D3F-43DF-493D-B983-6C183E2E75CE@iotecdigital.com>

Never mind I figured out why it wasn't working when I tested it. I was copy/pasting the custom control group into a stack on the desktop, but my images were relatively linked to png's in a subfolder in one of my project folders! LOL! 

It works fine. 

Bob S


> On Jul 24, 2018, at 09:43 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmmm just tested. Doesn't seem to work. I'll have to investigate why. The old script works though I pasted it numerous times. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 09:35 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> No sooner said than done. Keep in mind this method depends on four things: 
>> 
>> 1. Your main group consists of a number of child groups composed of three controls: a button, an icon image and a disabledIcon image
>> 2. Your button names begin with "btn" and your images begin with "img" eg. "btnNew"
>> 3. Your "icon" images are named like your buttons, excluding the first three characters eg. "imgNew"
>> 4. Your "disabledIcon" images are named like your buttons, excluding the first three characters, and ending in "Disabled" eg. "imgNewDisabled"
>> 
>> on newBackground
>>  put the childcontrolNames of me into tGroupList
>> 
>>  repeat for each line tGroup in tGroupList
>>     put the childControlNames of group tGroup into tControlList
>>     filter tControlList with "btn*"
>> 
>>     repeat for each line tButtonName in tControlList
>>        put char 4 to -1 of tButtonName into tControlName
>>        put "img" & tControlName into tEnabledImage
>>        put "img" & tControlName into tDisabledImage
>>        set the icon of button tButtonName to the short id of image tEnabledImage
>>        set the disabledIcon of button tButtonName to the short id of image tDisabledImage
>>     end repeat
>>  end repeat
>>  pass newBackground
>> end newBackground
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 09:14 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a custom control group with a series of buttons, each with an enabled icon and a disabled icon. I have this if the group script, which should give you some idea how to proceed:
>>> 
>>> on newBackground
>>> -- Relink buttons to graphics as they all have different ID's now
>>> set the icon of button "btnNew" to the short id of image "imgNew"
>>> set the disabledIcon of button "btnNew" to the short id of image "imgNewDisabled"
>>> set the icon of button "btnDelete" to the short id of image "imgDelete"
>>> set the disabledIcon of button "btnDelete" to the short id of image "imgDeleteDisabled"
>>> set the icon of button "btnEdit" to the short id of image "imgEdit"
>>> set the disabledIcon of button "btnEdit" to the short id of image "imgEditDisabled"
>>> set the icon of button "btnCancel" to the short id of image "imgCancel"
>>> set the disabledIcon of button "btnCancel" to the short id of image "imgCancelDisabled"
>>> set the icon of button "btnSave" to the short id of image "imgSave"
>>> set the disabledIcon of button "btnSave" to the short id of image "imgSaveDisabled"
>>> set the icon of button "btnHome" to the short id of image "imgHome"
>>> set the disabledIcon of button "btnHome" to the short id of image "imgHomeDisabled"
>>> pass newBackground
>>> end newBackground
>>> 
>>> In retrospect I should have created a loop, but that would depend on the image names being predictable. As you can see I have named all my icons in such a way so as to reflect the name of the button itself. If you do that, this could be made into a generic handler that would work for any group with buttons next to their icon images, and you wouldn't need to use literals. 
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 08:44 , Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.
>>>> 
>>>> best wishes
>>>> 
>>>> Simon K.
>>> 
>>> 
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jul 24 14:20:49 2018
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 19:20:49 +0100
Subject: Oauth2 (Dropbox) on iOS
Message-ID: <73fec49e-0b91-7395-5fce-a7da20f5e2ae@cogapp.com>

I feel I've been through this before, but I've not been on it for a while, and 
I'm still (again) stuck.

Using Oauth2 to connect an app to the Dropbox API works fine on desktop.

On iOS, I get the overlay; with the Dropbox log-in; I sign in, and it then 
shows the message that this app would like access to the files in Dropbox, 
with buttons (from Dropbox) Cancel or Allow (and a link "Learn more").

However, neither the Cancel nor Allow buttons do anything. Fortunately there 
is now an LC 'cancel' button at the bottom of the overlay (thanks Monte! 
https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6315).

But something's not happening which should (I assume) happen when the user 
touches "Allow". (There is a tiny bit of visible feedback.)

I know on a previous occasion I solved my issue with inclusions, but I don't 
think that's the problem this time. I have (manual inclusions) the Browser 
widget, the JSON and Oauth2 libraries, and the internet library. The call to 
Oauth2 is wrapped in a try block, and I'm not seeing a catch (can't be sure 
that I would, but when I use the new emergency cancel, my script just reports 
"Not authorised" where if I drop the Oauth2 library, I get a dialog reporting 
the catch).

What am I missing? Is anyone else able to succesfully connect to Dropbox using 
the Oauth2 library on LC 9.0.0, iOS 9.3 (or any similar environments)?

TIA,

Ben




From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Tue Jul 24 17:22:36 2018
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 22:22:36 +0100
Subject: Oauth2 (Dropbox) on iOS
In-Reply-To: <73fec49e-0b91-7395-5fce-a7da20f5e2ae@cogapp.com>
References: <73fec49e-0b91-7395-5fce-a7da20f5e2ae@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <529B8EAE-D814-454B-8E24-77FEA35741A3@pidigital.co.uk>

Open a console with either the device connected or the simulator and see what calls are made when the allow button is pressed


> On 24 Jul 2018, at 19:20, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I feel I've been through this before, but I've not been on it for a while, and I'm still (again) stuck.
> 
> Using Oauth2 to connect an app to the Dropbox API works fine on desktop.
> 
> On iOS, I get the overlay; with the Dropbox log-in; I sign in, and it then shows the message that this app would like access to the files in Dropbox, with buttons (from Dropbox) Cancel or Allow (and a link "Learn more").
> 
> However, neither the Cancel nor Allow buttons do anything. Fortunately there is now an LC 'cancel' button at the bottom of the overlay (thanks Monte! https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6315).
> 
> But something's not happening which should (I assume) happen when the user touches "Allow". (There is a tiny bit of visible feedback.)
> 
> I know on a previous occasion I solved my issue with inclusions, but I don't think that's the problem this time. I have (manual inclusions) the Browser widget, the JSON and Oauth2 libraries, and the internet library. The call to Oauth2 is wrapped in a try block, and I'm not seeing a catch (can't be sure that I would, but when I use the new emergency cancel, my script just reports "Not authorised" where if I drop the Oauth2 library, I get a dialog reporting the catch).
> 
> What am I missing? Is anyone else able to succesfully connect to Dropbox using the Oauth2 library on LC 9.0.0, iOS 9.3 (or any similar environments)?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Jul 24 17:54:41 2018
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:54:41 -0700
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
Message-ID: <20D6EE75-F1D4-4105-A9E5-6F31E469797B@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Simon,
When you say "compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder? it suggests two very different ways of organizing your source images. If you are taking advantage of LiveCode?s automagical ability to pick the correct resolution image then you need to have the images in your project be ?referenced? controls. You can tell if they are referenced because when you examine them with the object inspector they will have a file path. (tip: the folder containing the images should be in the same folder as the mainStack of the project. Use the ?Copy Files? tab in the Standalone Application Settings to attach it to your standalone. Also, in the object inspector, change the file path of the images to a relative paths. For example on Mac a file path might be: < /Users/yourname/someFolder/yourProjectFolder/images/myCustomButton.png > and you would change this to: < ./images/myCustomButton.png >

I store the images inside of LiveCode in different locations depending on the design of the app


Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
booth     1-800-615-0867

------------------------------------------------------

> On Jul 24, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Simon K.
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Jul 24 18:36:04 2018
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 15:36:04 -0700
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
Message-ID: <0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Simon,
I see I probably misunderstood what you were trying to do. With a custom control I might be tempted to store the images in a customProp if I wanted multiple resolutions to travel with the group object. Then do something like setting the imageData of the image.
?
Scott

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
booth     1-800-615-0867

> On Jul 24, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Simon K.
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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul 24 19:31:06 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 18:31:06 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <8914AF5C-FC55-42E0-8A80-D33380F11A03@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
	<163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>
	<CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<11ECA1F9-C349-440E-B701-C97C52320EE9@iotecdigital.com>
	<e320cd3c-e6f7-4d34-80e9-afdeda371c9d@Spark>
	<8914AF5C-FC55-42E0-8A80-D33380F11A03@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRayFJ2Qoa_1QO__BuiMy-5ehyv2z5kaxHP2pewqvJCnoA@mail.gmail.com>

PR submitted on Bug 21427.
https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/1987

Since it is a full PR, I went ahead and switched over to using a script
local everywhere and initialize it when the DG is initialized.  I also
looked for an object in the DG resource stack instead of hard coding the
stack name.  I'm thinking about posting a stack that can make the temporary
modifications necessary to allow this functionality while waiting on the
code to make it to production.  The temp mods will be much closer to what
was posted in this thread.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Never mind Brian, it works. I had the behavior of the custom button set
> the the behavior STACK and NOT the reDataGridLibrary stack button (now
> empty).
>
> Once I got the behavior of the custom button set to the old behavior
> button, the datagrid now works! You guys are freaking geniuses!
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 24, 2018, at 07:57 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I?ll put something together tonight. The code in the library has to be
> updated before opening a card with a DG that has the adjusted behavior
> chain. I have an idea on how to do it in script, but need to test it out to
> verify it will work.
> > On Jul 24, 2018, 9:54 AM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> >> I did so. I get this when opening my test stack:
> >>
> >> 91,260,123
> >> 62,260,123
> >> 77,260,123
> >> 456,260,57
> >> 534,260,123
> >> 253,260,123
> >> 241,236,1,_Initialize
> >> 353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Community 9.0.1 (rc
> 1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/palettes/revdatagridlibrary/
> behaviorsdatagridbuttonbehavior.livecodescript"
> >> 573,188,1,_Initialize
> >>
> >> I'll poke around later.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 22:12 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> local sResourceStack
> >>> private function _ResourceStack
> >>> local theStack, theCharNo
> >>>
> >>> if sResourceStack is empty then
> >>> put the behavior of me into theStack
> >>>
> >>> repeat
> >>> if trueWord -1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is
> >>> empty then
> >>> exit repeat
> >>> else
> >>> put the behavior of theStack into theStack
> >>> end if
> >>> end repeat
> >>>
> >>> if theStack is not empty then
> >>> put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
> >>> delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
> >>> end if
> >>> put theStack into sResourceStack
> >>> end if
> >>>
> >>> return sResourceStack
> >>> end _ResourceStack
> >>
> >>
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jul 25 00:12:43 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 23:12:43 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRayFJ2Qoa_1QO__BuiMy-5ehyv2z5kaxHP2pewqvJCnoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
	<163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>
	<CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<11ECA1F9-C349-440E-B701-C97C52320EE9@iotecdigital.com>
	<e320cd3c-e6f7-4d34-80e9-afdeda371c9d@Spark>
	<8914AF5C-FC55-42E0-8A80-D33380F11A03@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+yhkRayFJ2Qoa_1QO__BuiMy-5ehyv2z5kaxHP2pewqvJCnoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYxfXRqqN87eALgpRgeCpcw6T2VnFGT+-nbnUWuHrQNmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Posted a demo stack showing a DG with a behavior button in front of the DG
library behavior.
https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-misc/tree/master/NestedDGBehavior

There is an image of the stack uploaded as well.  The preOpenStack handler
will update the script (LC9) which will then be available until LC restarts.


From smk at anvic.net  Wed Jul 25 02:05:59 2018
From: smk at anvic.net (Simon Knight)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 07:05:59 +0100
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <CB4C0C8F-8DE0-4535-B4C1-E6028CCF0769@anvic.net>

Hi Scott,

Thank you for your replies.  I apologise for my question, I should have been clearer.  However, I have copied your response to my ?hints and tips? document for reference in the future as it seems like a useful workflow to know.

To clarify my question; I have created a simple custom control that uses two list fields and some buttons.  I will probably want to use the control in the future so I am seeking a method of saving the control ready to be used in the future.  At the moment the png images, I use to "skin" the buttons, are stored on a card on a sub-stack named assets.  I do this because I am following some advice that Trevor Devore gave in a video some years ago and I know no better.  

The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has components stored in different locations and they may well become separated sometime in the future.
Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and Mark W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I realise that one answer might be ?write a widget? but I don?t really want to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to recreate a control that I already have.

I had not thought of using a customProp to store images and in truth I did not know it was an option so I will do some research and see what I can learn.

Thanks again and best wishes

Simon
> On 24 Jul 2018, at 23:36, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> I see I probably misunderstood what you were trying to do. With a custom control I might be tempted to store the images in a customProp if I wanted multiple resolutions to travel with the group object. Then do something like setting the imageData of the image.
> ?
> Scott
> 
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
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> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> booth     1-800-615-0867
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.
>> 
>> best wishes
>> 
>> Simon K.
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 05:43:02 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 10:43:02 +0100
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility (panagiotis merakos)
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq__BcHc7ggT0xyTsPfeuVMDE2r-NoPouACCFG1cBrYa-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531908002.14118.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180718172837.Horde.hcV4yaGaH2d0ac86VvDRiAo@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq__BcHc7ggT0xyTsPfeuVMDE2r-NoPouACCFG1cBrYa-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9khG=BCNt5DyzPeaRXnjARfFn6aoBsoM_9xpuZKc+ODw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

It seems the crash is related to screen updates, and adding this to the
preopenstack handler prevents the app from crashing:

<set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to true>

Could you please confirm?

Best,
Panos
--

PS: We are still investigating.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:51 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Andrew. I just upgraded the test device to iOS 12 beta 4 and I
> confirm apps still crash on startup. Sigh :(
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Based on the fact that my apps are still crashing on load in iOS 12 beta
>> 4 (16A5327f) I can only assume that Fortnite was NOT written in Livecode ;)
>>
>> --Andrew Bell
>>
>>
>> From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
>>> Message-ID:
>>>         <CA+JfEq9-ZbO8exFBJuovYsTQKQk4oqENJhCDNJw-Vpeow-Z9_w at mail.gm
>>> ail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>
>>> BTW Fortnite app seems to have suffered from a similar problem on iOS 12,
>>> and a user on Reddit said that this was fixed on iOS 12 beta 4. Fingers
>>> crossed :)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:37 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> iOS 12 beta 4 is out today. I will install it on our test device and
>>>> have
>>>> a play tomorrow. If anyone tries it sooner, please post your results
>>>> here :)
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Panos
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Jul 25 07:37:17 2018
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Eller, Roger)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:37:17 +0000
Subject: [OT] Funnay
Message-ID: <DM3PR14MB06665955ED0963534369C26AAF540@DM3PR14MB0666.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/humor/shoot-self-in-foot.html

Shooting yourself in the foot in various programming languages<http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/humor/shoot-self-in-foot.html>
www.toodarkpark.org
370 JCL You send your foot down to MIS and include a 300-page document explaining exactly how you want it to be shot. Two years later, your foot comes back deep-fried.






From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Jul 25 08:22:01 2018
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 07:22:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <CB4C0C8F-8DE0-4535-B4C1-E6028CCF0769@anvic.net>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
	<CB4C0C8F-8DE0-4535-B4C1-E6028CCF0769@anvic.net>
Message-ID: <1532521321628-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Simon,

I think the easiest way would be to copy the images your custom control uses
to the custom controls. 
then add this code to the group (it is for one button "bOne" and two images
"greenRound" and "redQMark"

on newGroup
   resolve image "redQMark" relative to button "bOne" of me
   if it is not empty then 
      set the hilitedIcon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
   end if
   resolve image "greenRound" relative to button "bOne" of me
   if it is not empty then 
      set the icon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
   end if
end newGroup

"NewGroup" is a message that the custom control gets when you paste it.
That way the custom control is self contained and when you paste it into a
new stack it will assign the ids of the images to your buttons.

Kind regards
Bernd

That way they are contained in your custom control and the custom control
can be self contained, i.e. can be reused in a different stack.


Simon Knight via use-livecode wrote
> Hi Scott,
> 
> Thank you for your replies.  I apologise for my question, I should have
> been clearer.  However, I have copied your response to my ?hints and tips?
> document for reference in the future as it seems like a useful workflow to
> know.
> 
> To clarify my question; I have created a simple custom control that uses
> two list fields and some buttons.  I will probably want to use the control
> in the future so I am seeking a method of saving the control ready to be
> used in the future.  At the moment the png images, I use to "skin" the
> buttons, are stored on a card on a sub-stack named assets.  I do this
> because I am following some advice that Trevor Devore gave in a video some
> years ago and I know no better.  
> 
> The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has
> components stored in different locations and they may well become
> separated sometime in the future.
> Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the
> prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and Mark
> W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when
> version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to
> Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I
> realise that one answer might be ?write a widget? but I don?t really want
> to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to recreate
> a control that I already have.
> 
> I had not thought of using a customProp to store images and in truth I did
> not know it was an option so I will do some research and see what I can
> learn.
> 
> Thanks again and best wishes
> 
> Simon





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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Jul 25 08:38:42 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 08:38:42 -0400
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <2F5AD704-4447-4AA6-AD40-8FD0C67385E4@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.494.1532384566.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<2F5AD704-4447-4AA6-AD40-8FD0C67385E4@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMTeT3DBPhczPEbt3XdUyWs1Hj4s0=hg+dwXb6J2rzC5A@mail.gmail.com>

What up Matthias?
You're using 2 of 5, right?
TT can be a little messy depending on how small you try to make the
barcodes, and that Zebra isn't going to help.  Start with proportionally
jacking the widths and then see if you can scan.
I meant to ask you this before, but since you got it running I was leaving
it alone.  Is there any reason to not use a 2 of 5 font?  That would at
least remove one potential issue from your setup.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:35 PM Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Matthias wrote:
> >
> > If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code
> cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
> > We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to
> increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear
> ones.
>
>
> I wonder if it would make a difference to print snapshots of the graphic
> group rather then the group itself?
>
> Jim Lambert
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Wed Jul 25 09:11:18 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:11:18 +0000
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20180725131118.Horde.p4Uo4YCg-bZASgL3NncTOMz@ua850258.serversignin.com>

Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the  
app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app  
directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message)  
so I had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back  
to 12 (public beta 3) to test.

I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
  1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app  
(between the openStack and openCard it seems)
  2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from  
card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)

I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for  
#2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into  
this!

--Andrew Bell


> From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility (panagiotis merakos)
> Message-ID:
> 	<CA+JfEq9khG=BCNt5DyzPeaRXnjARfFn6aoBsoM_9xpuZKc+ODw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hi all,
>
> It seems the crash is related to screen updates, and adding this to the
> preopenstack handler prevents the app from crashing:
>
> <set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to true>
>
> Could you please confirm?
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> PS: We are still investigating.
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:51 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Andrew. I just upgraded the test device to iOS 12 beta 4 and I
>> confirm apps still crash on startup. Sigh :(
>>
>> Best,
>> Panos
>> --
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Based on the fact that my apps are still crashing on load in iOS 12 beta
>>> 4 (16A5327f) I can only assume that Fortnite was NOT written in Livecode ;)
>>>
>>> --Andrew Bell
>>>
>>>
>>> From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>         <CA+JfEq9-ZbO8exFBJuovYsTQKQk4oqENJhCDNJw-Vpeow-Z9_w at mail.gm
>>>> ail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>
>>>> BTW Fortnite app seems to have suffered from a similar problem on iOS 12,
>>>> and a user on Reddit said that this was fixed on iOS 12 beta 4. Fingers
>>>> crossed :)
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Panos
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:37 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> iOS 12 beta 4 is out today. I will install it on our test device and
>>>>> have
>>>>> a play tomorrow. If anyone tries it sooner, please post your results
>>>>> here :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Panos
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 09:36:15 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 14:36:15 +0100
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <20180725131118.Horde.p4Uo4YCg-bZASgL3NncTOMz@ua850258.serversignin.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180725131118.Horde.p4Uo4YCg-bZASgL3NncTOMz@ua850258.serversignin.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8jd5_PqWG784u_Vn1kD+zNprP=Hu5iJtfrg9QtfsBYpg@mail.gmail.com>

@Andrew thanks for checking.

Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2 might be
already fixed.

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the app
> to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app directly to
> the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message) so I had to
> uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12 (public
> beta 3) to test.
>
> I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
>  1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app (between the
> openStack and openCard it seems)
>  2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from card to
> card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
>
> I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for #2
> just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into this!
>
> --Andrew Bell
>
>
> From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Cc: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility (panagiotis merakos)
>> Message-ID:
>>         <CA+JfEq9khG=BCNt5DyzPeaRXnjARfFn6aoBsoM_9xpuZKc+ODw at mail.gm
>> ail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It seems the crash is related to screen updates, and adding this to the
>> preopenstack handler prevents the app from crashing:
>>
>> <set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to true>
>>
>> Could you please confirm?
>>
>> Best,
>> Panos
>> --
>>
>> PS: We are still investigating.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:51 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Andrew. I just upgraded the test device to iOS 12 beta 4 and I
>>> confirm apps still crash on startup. Sigh :(
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Based on the fact that my apps are still crashing on load in iOS 12 beta
>>>> 4 (16A5327f) I can only assume that Fortnite was NOT written in
>>>> Livecode ;)
>>>>
>>>> --Andrew Bell
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>         <CA+JfEq9-ZbO8exFBJuovYsTQKQk4oqENJhCDNJw-Vpeow-Z9_w at mail.gm
>>>>> ail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW Fortnite app seems to have suffered from a similar problem on iOS
>>>>> 12,
>>>>> and a user on Reddit said that this was fixed on iOS 12 beta 4. Fingers
>>>>> crossed :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Panos
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:37 AM, panagiotis merakos <
>>>>> merakosp at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iOS 12 beta 4 is out today. I will install it on our test device and
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> a play tomorrow. If anyone tries it sooner, please post your results
>>>>>> here :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Panos
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Jul 25 09:56:30 2018
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 14:56:30 +0100
Subject: Oauth2 (Dropbox) on iOS
In-Reply-To: <529B8EAE-D814-454B-8E24-77FEA35741A3@pidigital.co.uk>
References: <73fec49e-0b91-7395-5fce-a7da20f5e2ae@cogapp.com>
	<529B8EAE-D814-454B-8E24-77FEA35741A3@pidigital.co.uk>
Message-ID: <c337ed04-6af4-e5d5-3364-52dbf9bc83f7@cogapp.com>

Aha! Thanks Sean, that was a good tip: I now understand the problem.

On simulator, my cut-down test app worked fine.

On device, console shows:
> App Transport Security has blocked a cleartext HTTP (http://) resource load since it is insecure. Temporary exceptions can be configured via your app's Info.plist file.

The Oauth2 library requires the redirect URL to be of the form 
`http://127.0.0.1:port` - you pass the port number to the library, it assumes 
the `http://127.0.0.1`.

The Dropbox app setup allows you to specify an HTTP redirect (but only for 
localhost redirect URLs). So this is all good - except it appears that iOS is 
not so happy! Not sure why an http connection to localhost should be insecure, 
but there you go. (Or indeed why ATS doesn't kick in on the simulator?)

I've posted a report in the QCC (#21442) to extend Oauth2 command to in some 
way allow the redirect URL to be HTTPs.

In the meantime, I resigned myself to doing a custom info.plist, but found 
something that I'd not spotted before in the iOS Standalone Spp Settings: "App 
URL Query Whitelist" - which I thought might be exactly what I needed. 
Although I couldn't find any documentation for it.

I still don't know what it does - but it doesn't do this! Does anyone know 
what it does do?

There is also a checkbox "Disable ATS" - checking this displays a dire 
warning, doubtless correctly; but does indeed provide an easier way to solve 
the problem, at least for development. What it would do to your chances of 
getting an app into the App Store is another question.

I've also added a report in the QC (#21444) - I thought I'd done this before, 
but maybe I just whinged on the mailing lists - for the Standalone Builder to 
support generic additions to the info.plist rather than requiring a completely 
separate one for anything unsupported.

Ben

On 24/07/2018 22:22, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:
> Open a console with either the device connected or the simulator and see what calls are made when the allow button is pressed
> 
> 
>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 19:20, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I feel I've been through this before, but I've not been on it for a while, and I'm still (again) stuck.
>>
>> Using Oauth2 to connect an app to the Dropbox API works fine on desktop.
>>
>> On iOS, I get the overlay; with the Dropbox log-in; I sign in, and it then shows the message that this app would like access to the files in Dropbox, with buttons (from Dropbox) Cancel or Allow (and a link "Learn more").
>>
>> However, neither the Cancel nor Allow buttons do anything. Fortunately there is now an LC 'cancel' button at the bottom of the overlay (thanks Monte! https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6315).
>>
>> But something's not happening which should (I assume) happen when the user touches "Allow". (There is a tiny bit of visible feedback.)
>>
>> I know on a previous occasion I solved my issue with inclusions, but I don't think that's the problem this time. I have (manual inclusions) the Browser widget, the JSON and Oauth2 libraries, and the internet library. The call to Oauth2 is wrapped in a try block, and I'm not seeing a catch (can't be sure that I would, but when I use the new emergency cancel, my script just reports "Not authorised" where if I drop the Oauth2 library, I get a dialog reporting the catch).
>>
>> What am I missing? Is anyone else able to succesfully connect to Dropbox using the Oauth2 library on LC 9.0.0, iOS 9.3 (or any similar environments)?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 10:16:43 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 15:16:43 +0100
Subject: Oauth2 (Dropbox) on iOS
In-Reply-To: <c337ed04-6af4-e5d5-3364-52dbf9bc83f7@cogapp.com>
References: <73fec49e-0b91-7395-5fce-a7da20f5e2ae@cogapp.com>
	<529B8EAE-D814-454B-8E24-77FEA35741A3@pidigital.co.uk>
	<c337ed04-6af4-e5d5-3364-52dbf9bc83f7@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-uxKiGkabDMgeFtPu_gi58+M6rsr1Vo5gsrFkmAK+Pjg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ben,

The "App URL Query Whitelist" field is for specifying a list of custom url
schemes that the standalone can launch (using the "launch URL
custom_url_scheme" command) on iOS 9+.

See bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18687 for more details.

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Aha! Thanks Sean, that was a good tip: I now understand the problem.
>
> On simulator, my cut-down test app worked fine.
>
> On device, console shows:
>
>> App Transport Security has blocked a cleartext HTTP (http://) resource
>> load since it is insecure. Temporary exceptions can be configured via your
>> app's Info.plist file.
>>
>
> The Oauth2 library requires the redirect URL to be of the form
> `http://127.0.0.1:port` - you pass the port number to the library, it
> assumes the `http://127.0.0.1`.
>
> The Dropbox app setup allows you to specify an HTTP redirect (but only for
> localhost redirect URLs). So this is all good - except it appears that iOS
> is not so happy! Not sure why an http connection to localhost should be
> insecure, but there you go. (Or indeed why ATS doesn't kick in on the
> simulator?)
>
> I've posted a report in the QCC (#21442) to extend Oauth2 command to in
> some way allow the redirect URL to be HTTPs.
>
> In the meantime, I resigned myself to doing a custom info.plist, but found
> something that I'd not spotted before in the iOS Standalone Spp Settings:
> "App URL Query Whitelist" - which I thought might be exactly what I needed.
> Although I couldn't find any documentation for it.
>
> I still don't know what it does - but it doesn't do this! Does anyone know
> what it does do?
>
> There is also a checkbox "Disable ATS" - checking this displays a dire
> warning, doubtless correctly; but does indeed provide an easier way to
> solve the problem, at least for development. What it would do to your
> chances of getting an app into the App Store is another question.
>
> I've also added a report in the QC (#21444) - I thought I'd done this
> before, but maybe I just whinged on the mailing lists - for the Standalone
> Builder to support generic additions to the info.plist rather than
> requiring a completely separate one for anything unsupported.
>
> Ben
>
>
> On 24/07/2018 22:22, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Open a console with either the device connected or the simulator and see
>> what calls are made when the allow button is pressed
>>
>>
>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 19:20, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I feel I've been through this before, but I've not been on it for a
>>> while, and I'm still (again) stuck.
>>>
>>> Using Oauth2 to connect an app to the Dropbox API works fine on desktop.
>>>
>>> On iOS, I get the overlay; with the Dropbox log-in; I sign in, and it
>>> then shows the message that this app would like access to the files in
>>> Dropbox, with buttons (from Dropbox) Cancel or Allow (and a link "Learn
>>> more").
>>>
>>> However, neither the Cancel nor Allow buttons do anything. Fortunately
>>> there is now an LC 'cancel' button at the bottom of the overlay (thanks
>>> Monte! https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6315).
>>>
>>> But something's not happening which should (I assume) happen when the
>>> user touches "Allow". (There is a tiny bit of visible feedback.)
>>>
>>> I know on a previous occasion I solved my issue with inclusions, but I
>>> don't think that's the problem this time. I have (manual inclusions) the
>>> Browser widget, the JSON and Oauth2 libraries, and the internet library.
>>> The call to Oauth2 is wrapped in a try block, and I'm not seeing a catch
>>> (can't be sure that I would, but when I use the new emergency cancel, my
>>> script just reports "Not authorised" where if I drop the Oauth2 library, I
>>> get a dialog reporting the catch).
>>>
>>> What am I missing? Is anyone else able to succesfully connect to Dropbox
>>> using the Oauth2 library on LC 9.0.0, iOS 9.3 (or any similar environments)?
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 10:21:29 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 15:21:29 +0100
Subject: Oauth2 (Dropbox) on iOS
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-uxKiGkabDMgeFtPu_gi58+M6rsr1Vo5gsrFkmAK+Pjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <73fec49e-0b91-7395-5fce-a7da20f5e2ae@cogapp.com>
	<529B8EAE-D814-454B-8E24-77FEA35741A3@pidigital.co.uk>
	<c337ed04-6af4-e5d5-3364-52dbf9bc83f7@cogapp.com>
	<CA+JfEq-uxKiGkabDMgeFtPu_gi58+M6rsr1Vo5gsrFkmAK+Pjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_pQFOhV=GBM-WTrgQe=VwopFerfW80nf7Njr=0RwhjyA@mail.gmail.com>

BTW if you want to add a whitelist for ATS in the plist, here are some more
details on which keys/values you need and how to add them:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28294

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 3:16 PM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Ben,
>
> The "App URL Query Whitelist" field is for specifying a list of custom
> url schemes that the standalone can launch (using the "launch URL
> custom_url_scheme" command) on iOS 9+.
>
> See bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18687 for more
> details.
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Aha! Thanks Sean, that was a good tip: I now understand the problem.
>>
>> On simulator, my cut-down test app worked fine.
>>
>> On device, console shows:
>>
>>> App Transport Security has blocked a cleartext HTTP (http://) resource
>>> load since it is insecure. Temporary exceptions can be configured via your
>>> app's Info.plist file.
>>>
>>
>> The Oauth2 library requires the redirect URL to be of the form
>> `http://127.0.0.1:port` - you pass the port number to the library, it
>> assumes the `http://127.0.0.1`.
>>
>> The Dropbox app setup allows you to specify an HTTP redirect (but only
>> for localhost redirect URLs). So this is all good - except it appears that
>> iOS is not so happy! Not sure why an http connection to localhost should be
>> insecure, but there you go. (Or indeed why ATS doesn't kick in on the
>> simulator?)
>>
>> I've posted a report in the QCC (#21442) to extend Oauth2 command to in
>> some way allow the redirect URL to be HTTPs.
>>
>> In the meantime, I resigned myself to doing a custom info.plist, but
>> found something that I'd not spotted before in the iOS Standalone Spp
>> Settings: "App URL Query Whitelist" - which I thought might be exactly what
>> I needed. Although I couldn't find any documentation for it.
>>
>> I still don't know what it does - but it doesn't do this! Does anyone
>> know what it does do?
>>
>> There is also a checkbox "Disable ATS" - checking this displays a dire
>> warning, doubtless correctly; but does indeed provide an easier way to
>> solve the problem, at least for development. What it would do to your
>> chances of getting an app into the App Store is another question.
>>
>> I've also added a report in the QC (#21444) - I thought I'd done this
>> before, but maybe I just whinged on the mailing lists - for the Standalone
>> Builder to support generic additions to the info.plist rather than
>> requiring a completely separate one for anything unsupported.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On 24/07/2018 22:22, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> Open a console with either the device connected or the simulator and see
>>> what calls are made when the allow button is pressed
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 19:20, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I feel I've been through this before, but I've not been on it for a
>>>> while, and I'm still (again) stuck.
>>>>
>>>> Using Oauth2 to connect an app to the Dropbox API works fine on desktop.
>>>>
>>>> On iOS, I get the overlay; with the Dropbox log-in; I sign in, and it
>>>> then shows the message that this app would like access to the files in
>>>> Dropbox, with buttons (from Dropbox) Cancel or Allow (and a link "Learn
>>>> more").
>>>>
>>>> However, neither the Cancel nor Allow buttons do anything. Fortunately
>>>> there is now an LC 'cancel' button at the bottom of the overlay (thanks
>>>> Monte! https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6315).
>>>>
>>>> But something's not happening which should (I assume) happen when the
>>>> user touches "Allow". (There is a tiny bit of visible feedback.)
>>>>
>>>> I know on a previous occasion I solved my issue with inclusions, but I
>>>> don't think that's the problem this time. I have (manual inclusions) the
>>>> Browser widget, the JSON and Oauth2 libraries, and the internet library.
>>>> The call to Oauth2 is wrapped in a try block, and I'm not seeing a catch
>>>> (can't be sure that I would, but when I use the new emergency cancel, my
>>>> script just reports "Not authorised" where if I drop the Oauth2 library, I
>>>> get a dialog reporting the catch).
>>>>
>>>> What am I missing? Is anyone else able to succesfully connect to
>>>> Dropbox using the Oauth2 library on LC 9.0.0, iOS 9.3 (or any similar
>>>> environments)?
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 25 10:35:50 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 14:35:50 +0000
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRayFJ2Qoa_1QO__BuiMy-5ehyv2z5kaxHP2pewqvJCnoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
	<163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>
	<CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<11ECA1F9-C349-440E-B701-C97C52320EE9@iotecdigital.com>
	<e320cd3c-e6f7-4d34-80e9-afdeda371c9d@Spark>
	<8914AF5C-FC55-42E0-8A80-D33380F11A03@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+yhkRayFJ2Qoa_1QO__BuiMy-5ehyv2z5kaxHP2pewqvJCnoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3EA8ED2-59DB-4060-93E0-C2ABB3A88819@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Brian. There IS no better development community in the world than this one. This all began with Hypercard communities and their spirit of sharing and mutual support. We seem to be the last bastion. 

Bob S


> On Jul 24, 2018, at 16:31 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> PR submitted on Bug 21427.
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/1987
> 
> Since it is a full PR, I went ahead and switched over to using a script
> local everywhere and initialize it when the DG is initialized.  I also
> looked for an object in the DG resource stack instead of hard coding the
> stack name.  I'm thinking about posting a stack that can make the temporary
> modifications necessary to allow this functionality while waiting on the
> code to make it to production.  The temp mods will be much closer to what
> was posted in this thread.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Never mind Brian, it works. I had the behavior of the custom button set
>> the the behavior STACK and NOT the reDataGridLibrary stack button (now
>> empty).
>> 
>> Once I got the behavior of the custom button set to the old behavior
>> button, the datagrid now works! You guys are freaking geniuses!
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 07:57 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?ll put something together tonight. The code in the library has to be
>> updated before opening a card with a DG that has the adjusted behavior
>> chain. I have an idea on how to do it in script, but need to test it out to
>> verify it will work.
>>> On Jul 24, 2018, 9:54 AM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>>>> I did so. I get this when opening my test stack:
>>>> 
>>>> 91,260,123
>>>> 62,260,123
>>>> 77,260,123
>>>> 456,260,57
>>>> 534,260,123
>>>> 253,260,123
>>>> 241,236,1,_Initialize
>>>> 353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Community 9.0.1 (rc
>> 1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/palettes/revdatagridlibrary/
>> behaviorsdatagridbuttonbehavior.livecodescript"
>>>> 573,188,1,_Initialize
>>>> 
>>>> I'll poke around later.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 22:12 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> local sResourceStack
>>>>> private function _ResourceStack
>>>>> local theStack, theCharNo
>>>>> 
>>>>> if sResourceStack is empty then
>>>>> put the behavior of me into theStack
>>>>> 
>>>>> repeat
>>>>> if trueWord -1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is
>>>>> empty then
>>>>> exit repeat
>>>>> else
>>>>> put the behavior of theStack into theStack
>>>>> end if
>>>>> end repeat
>>>>> 
>>>>> if theStack is not empty then
>>>>> put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
>>>>> delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
>>>>> end if
>>>>> put theStack into sResourceStack
>>>>> end if
>>>>> 
>>>>> return sResourceStack
>>>>> end _ResourceStack
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 25 10:45:46 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 14:45:46 +0000
Subject: [OT] Funnay
In-Reply-To: <DM3PR14MB06665955ED0963534369C26AAF540@DM3PR14MB0666.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM3PR14MB06665955ED0963534369C26AAF540@DM3PR14MB0666.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <AF79CE2A-F4C6-4ED1-9912-D0DE11BA0CB0@iotecdigital.com>

In Livecode Script:

dispatch SHOOT to group FOOT with the myGun of me, the bullets of me

Bob S


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 04:37 , Eller, Roger via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/humor/shoot-self-in-foot.html
> 
> Shooting yourself in the foot in various programming languages<http://www.toodarkpark.org/computers/humor/shoot-self-in-foot.html>
> www.toodarkpark.org
> 370 JCL You send your foot down to MIS and include a 300-page document explaining exactly how you want it to be shot. Two years later, your foot comes back deep-fried.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 25 10:49:10 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 14:49:10 +0000
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMTeT3DBPhczPEbt3XdUyWs1Hj4s0=hg+dwXb6J2rzC5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.494.1532384566.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<2F5AD704-4447-4AA6-AD40-8FD0C67385E4@netrin.com>
	<CADCoycMTeT3DBPhczPEbt3XdUyWs1Hj4s0=hg+dwXb6J2rzC5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7F45A9E-6458-4427-A67A-B9F6773DAE65@iotecdigital.com>

I kind of was referring to this in my prior post. Figure out the minimum resolution you are printing to, then make your bars and white spaces in some increment of that, then screenshot and scale as necessary. We have ERP software that prints barcode labels for inventory, but the barcode readers that use the iPhone camera don't read them well, probably because the barcodes are printed with a thermal printer and the resolution kinda sucks. 

Bob S


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 05:38 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What up Matthias?
> You're using 2 of 5, right?
> TT can be a little messy depending on how small you try to make the
> barcodes, and that Zebra isn't going to help.  Start with proportionally
> jacking the widths and then see if you can scan.
> I meant to ask you this before, but since you got it running I was leaving
> it alone.  Is there any reason to not use a 2 of 5 font?  That would at
> least remove one potential issue from your setup.




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Jul 25 10:54:03 2018
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 15:54:03 +0100
Subject: Oauth2 (Dropbox) on iOS
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_pQFOhV=GBM-WTrgQe=VwopFerfW80nf7Njr=0RwhjyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <73fec49e-0b91-7395-5fce-a7da20f5e2ae@cogapp.com>
	<529B8EAE-D814-454B-8E24-77FEA35741A3@pidigital.co.uk>
	<c337ed04-6af4-e5d5-3364-52dbf9bc83f7@cogapp.com>
	<CA+JfEq-uxKiGkabDMgeFtPu_gi58+M6rsr1Vo5gsrFkmAK+Pjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq_pQFOhV=GBM-WTrgQe=VwopFerfW80nf7Njr=0RwhjyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eabf3caa-0cfa-5e10-70d3-e5de9c39ce1f@cogapp.com>

Hi Panos,

Thanks for looking this up for me.

I've been trying with some variations of this - so far without success!

QC #21444 would also help!

best regards,

Ben

On 25/07/2018 15:21, panagiotis merakos wrote:
> BTW if you want to add a whitelist for ATS in the plist, here are some more 
> details on which keys/values you need and how to add them:
> 
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28294
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 3:16 PM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com 
> <mailto:merakosp at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Ben,
> 
>     The "App URL Query Whitelist" field is for specifying a list of custom url
>     schemes that the standalone can launch (using the "launch URL
>     custom_url_scheme" command) on iOS 9+.
> 
>     See bug https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18687
>     <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18687> for more details.
> 
>     Best,
>     Panos
>     --
> 
>     On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
>     <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>         Aha! Thanks Sean, that was a good tip: I now understand the problem.
> 
>         On simulator, my cut-down test app worked fine.
> 
>         On device, console shows:
> 
>             App Transport Security has blocked a cleartext HTTP (http://)
>             resource load since it is insecure. Temporary exceptions can be
>             configured via your app's Info.plist file.
> 
> 
>         The Oauth2 library requires the redirect URL to be of the form
>         `http://127.0.0.1:port` - you pass the port number to the library, it
>         assumes the `http://127.0.0.1`.
> 
>         The Dropbox app setup allows you to specify an HTTP redirect (but only
>         for localhost redirect URLs). So this is all good - except it appears
>         that iOS is not so happy! Not sure why an http connection to localhost
>         should be insecure, but there you go. (Or indeed why ATS doesn't kick
>         in on the simulator?)
> 
>         I've posted a report in the QCC (#21442) to extend Oauth2 command to
>         in some way allow the redirect URL to be HTTPs.
> 
>         In the meantime, I resigned myself to doing a custom info.plist, but
>         found something that I'd not spotted before in the iOS Standalone Spp
>         Settings: "App URL Query Whitelist" - which I thought might be exactly
>         what I needed. Although I couldn't find any documentation for it.
> 
>         I still don't know what it does - but it doesn't do this! Does anyone
>         know what it does do?
> 
>         There is also a checkbox "Disable ATS" - checking this displays a dire
>         warning, doubtless correctly; but does indeed provide an easier way to
>         solve the problem, at least for development. What it would do to your
>         chances of getting an app into the App Store is another question.
> 
>         I've also added a report in the QC (#21444) - I thought I'd done this
>         before, but maybe I just whinged on the mailing lists - for the
>         Standalone Builder to support generic additions to the info.plist
>         rather than requiring a completely separate one for anything unsupported.
> 
>         Ben
> 
> 
>         On 24/07/2018 22:22, Pi Digital via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>             Open a console with either the device connected or the simulator
>             and see what calls are made when the allow button is pressed
> 
> 
>                 On 24 Jul 2018, at 19:20, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode
>                 <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>                 <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>                 I feel I've been through this before, but I've not been on it
>                 for a while, and I'm still (again) stuck.
> 
>                 Using Oauth2 to connect an app to the Dropbox API works fine
>                 on desktop.
> 
>                 On iOS, I get the overlay; with the Dropbox log-in; I sign in,
>                 and it then shows the message that this app would like access
>                 to the files in Dropbox, with buttons (from Dropbox) Cancel or
>                 Allow (and a link "Learn more").
> 
>                 However, neither the Cancel nor Allow buttons do anything.
>                 Fortunately there is now an LC 'cancel' button at the bottom
>                 of the overlay (thanks Monte!
>                 https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6315
>                 <https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6315>).
> 
>                 But something's not happening which should (I assume) happen
>                 when the user touches "Allow". (There is a tiny bit of visible
>                 feedback.)
> 
>                 I know on a previous occasion I solved my issue with
>                 inclusions, but I don't think that's the problem this time. I
>                 have (manual inclusions) the Browser widget, the JSON and
>                 Oauth2 libraries, and the internet library. The call to Oauth2
>                 is wrapped in a try block, and I'm not seeing a catch (can't
>                 be sure that I would, but when I use the new emergency cancel,
>                 my script just reports "Not authorised" where if I drop the
>                 Oauth2 library, I get a dialog reporting the catch).
> 
>                 What am I missing? Is anyone else able to succesfully connect
>                 to Dropbox using the Oauth2 library on LC 9.0.0, iOS 9.3 (or
>                 any similar environments)?
> 
>                 TIA,
> 
>                 Ben
> 
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 25 11:20:05 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:20:05 +0200
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <AE565B65-9B75-4D7F-8689-981798B4F7F9@iotecdigital.com>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSprqejDZ2ukvH1ijgLv-F3OQLiSRh+G_9ODcV18mTOB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>
	<A94BA20C-5791-4C62-A29C-35721A804A6F@m-r-d.de>
	<AE565B65-9B75-4D7F-8689-981798B4F7F9@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C3ECB284-CF66-405B-B5B7-660D90AD9227@m-r-d.de>

Yes, with iPhone and our USB scanners we are able to scan that ?wider? bars, but i am not sure the highspeed scanners of the carrier can.
The packages are scanned by  high speed scanners while they are carried and sorted on a?tractor tapes?. Btw, us tractor tape the correct expression?

If the thermal transfer labels are accepted by the carrier then i will  add an option for the user to switch between laser and thermal printing. The app will use different settings for laser and thermal printing.
So in case the TT printer is broken, they can switch over the laser printer.



> Am 24.07.2018 um 00:01 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Out of curiosity, does printed barcodes from the laserwriter still work with these settings?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2018, at 14:18 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have to add something.
>> 
>> As I wrote, we were able to successfully scan the labels. This is true as long as we print the labels with a laser printer.
>> 
>> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
>> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear ones.
>> 
>> So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.
>> 
>> put ?3" into tNarrow
>> put ?6" into tWide
>> set the width of grc "narrowC" to (tNarrow - 2)
>> set the width of grc "narrowB" to (tNarrow -3)
>> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
>> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias Rebbe
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 25 11:40:50 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:40:50 +0200
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <D7F45A9E-6458-4427-A67A-B9F6773DAE65@iotecdigital.com>
References: <mailman.494.1532384566.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<2F5AD704-4447-4AA6-AD40-8FD0C67385E4@netrin.com>
	<CADCoycMTeT3DBPhczPEbt3XdUyWs1Hj4s0=hg+dwXb6J2rzC5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<D7F45A9E-6458-4427-A67A-B9F6773DAE65@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0FEC7D6F-4836-453F-BDC7-80D255A8CA3F@m-r-d.de>

Our thermal prints, both qrcodes and barcodes, are scannable w/o problems with our iOS devices. So resolutions is not a problem.

Although we were able to successfully print the labels and are awaiting a positive confirmation from the carrier, i will try to import a snapshot of the barcode and will check if that prints look better.

Regards,

Matthias 

> Am 25.07.2018 um 16:49 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I kind of was referring to this in my prior post. Figure out the minimum resolution you are printing to, then make your bars and white spaces in some increment of that, then screenshot and scale as necessary. We have ERP software that prints barcode labels for inventory, but the barcode readers that use the iPhone camera don't read them well, probably because the barcodes are printed with a thermal printer and the resolution kinda sucks. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 05:38 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What up Matthias?
>> You're using 2 of 5, right?
>> TT can be a little messy depending on how small you try to make the
>> barcodes, and that Zebra isn't going to help.  Start with proportionally
>> jacking the widths and then see if you can scan.
>> I meant to ask you this before, but since you got it running I was leaving
>> it alone.  Is there any reason to not use a 2 of 5 font?  That would at
>> least remove one potential issue from your setup.
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 25 11:41:26 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:41:26 +0200
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMTeT3DBPhczPEbt3XdUyWs1Hj4s0=hg+dwXb6J2rzC5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.494.1532384566.25695.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<2F5AD704-4447-4AA6-AD40-8FD0C67385E4@netrin.com>
	<CADCoycMTeT3DBPhczPEbt3XdUyWs1Hj4s0=hg+dwXb6J2rzC5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D70FAB46-5362-4A82-A809-1B1EC09E5A90@m-r-d.de>

We are waiting  for the result of the check of the carrier Trans-o-Flex.



> Am 25.07.2018 um 14:38 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> What up Matthias?
> You're using 2 of 5, right?
Yes, 2of5 interleaved.

> TT can be a little messy depending on how small you try to make the
> barcodes, and that Zebra isn't going to help.  Start with proportionally
> jacking the widths and then see if you can scan.

As i wrote,
we had to increase the width of the black bar bars and reduce the clear ones. 

> I meant to ask you this before, but since you got it running I was leaving

> it alone.  Is there any reason to not use a 2 of 5 font?  That would at
> least remove one potential issue from your setup.
> 

I found one called ?Dobson2of5i? or so, but the size of the wide black bar was not double but triple. The laser printer prints were readable by the usb scanner, but not the thermal ones.
I?ve then created my own with fontographer but with the wider bar double in size of the narrow one. With that font both the laser and the thermal prints were readable by the scanner.
But the narrow clear bars  had not always the exact width on the thermal prints. So that a barcode showed the narrow clear bars in differents width. Thats why we decided to create the barcode with graphics.

Just out of interest i will try the following the next days: I create a barcode  with the font and also with the graphics, then import a snapshot of them and  print and scan them.
I will try both with and w/o defining the dpi of the snapshot. Maybe i have to set it to 203 for thermal printing. We?ll see.

Anyway. This barcode stuff was an interesting distraction from the normal work.

Regards,

Matthias

> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:35 PM Jim Lambert via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>>> Matthias wrote:
>>> 
>>> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code
>> cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
>>> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to
>> increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear
>> ones.
>> 
>> 
>> I wonder if it would make a difference to print snapshots of the graphic
>> group rather then the group itself?
>> 
>> Jim Lambert
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Wed Jul 25 12:13:08 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 16:13:08 +0000
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>

I've been using 9.0.0.

When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my  
navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.

When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff  
like my navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at  
app launch.

--Andrew Bell

------------------

@Andrew thanks for checking.

Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of  
acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2  
might be already fixed.

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode  
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

     Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow  
the app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the  
app directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error"  
message) so I had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then  
upgrade back to 12 (public beta 3) to test.

     I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
      1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app  
(between the openStack and openCard it seems)
      2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get  
from card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)

     I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around  
for #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking  
into this!

     --Andrew Bell




From stephen at barncard.com  Wed Jul 25 12:25:56 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 09:25:56 -0700
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
In-Reply-To: <C3ECB284-CF66-405B-B5B7-660D90AD9227@m-r-d.de>
References: <3C6EA987-D98D-487B-AA47-E452D99C6F8D@m-r-d.de>
	<1532032214042-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<A1178F62-AEA5-410F-9139-2C2B64630D0B@m-r-d.de>
	<6AB8D188-CB0C-49EC-A041-BB02623FDA14@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSov-b=xpoompFe7Oztd9WeXSt8MC3MX5GGMx1Y_R=2vsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BBD346-CBB8-475F-8C23-87385CE2AE8F@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSprqejDZ2ukvH1ijgLv-F3OQLiSRh+G_9ODcV18mTOB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0297D5F9-CF22-4B0A-A4E3-E9661DEE9A16@m-r-d.de>
	<A94BA20C-5791-4C62-A29C-35721A804A6F@m-r-d.de>
	<AE565B65-9B75-4D7F-8689-981798B4F7F9@iotecdigital.com>
	<C3ECB284-CF66-405B-B5B7-660D90AD9227@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHLs2ZhopgvfzL+KuasdGQRW6jKCNjCQLRRvKfy4YJ8c7w@mail.gmail.com>

"Btw, us tractor tape the correct expression?"

I could see how 'conveyor belt' could be easily lost in translation.

sqb

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yes, with iPhone and our USB scanners we are able to scan that ?wider?
> bars, but i am not sure the highspeed scanners of the carrier can.
> The packages are scanned by  high speed scanners while they are carried
> and sorted on a?tractor tapes?. Btw, us tractor tape the correct expression?
>
> If the thermal transfer labels are accepted by the carrier then i will
> add an option for the user to switch between laser and thermal printing.
> The app will use different settings for laser and thermal printing.
> So in case the TT printer is broken, they can switch over the laser
> printer.
>
>
>
> > Am 24.07.2018 um 00:01 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > Out of curiosity, does printed barcodes from the laserwriter still work
> with these settings?
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 22, 2018, at 14:18 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have to add something.
> >>
> >> As I wrote, we were able to successfully scan the labels. This is true
> as long as we print the labels with a laser printer.
> >>
> >> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code
> cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
> >> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to
> increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear
> ones.
> >>
> >> So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels
> with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.
> >>
> >> put ?3" into tNarrow
> >> put ?6" into tWide
> >> set the width of grc "narrowC" to (tNarrow - 2)
> >> set the width of grc "narrowB" to (tNarrow -3)
> >> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
> >> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Matthias Rebbe
> >
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 12:52:15 2018
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 09:52:15 -0700
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility (panagiotis merakos)
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9khG=BCNt5DyzPeaRXnjARfFn6aoBsoM_9xpuZKc+ODw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1531908002.14118.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180718172837.Horde.hcV4yaGaH2d0ac86VvDRiAo@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq__BcHc7ggT0xyTsPfeuVMDE2r-NoPouACCFG1cBrYa-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq9khG=BCNt5DyzPeaRXnjARfFn6aoBsoM_9xpuZKc+ODw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FEC1CE3B-5318-4C1B-9783-01EBB6CD0C44@gmail.com>

From 9.0.1 (rc 1) I can get an app to run on iOS 12, with the acceleratedRendering set to true.


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It seems the crash is related to screen updates, and adding this to the
> preopenstack handler prevents the app from crashing:
> 
> <set the acceleratedRendering of this stack to true>
> 
> Could you please confirm?
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> PS: We are still investigating.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:51 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Andrew. I just upgraded the test device to iOS 12 beta 4 and I
>> confirm apps still crash on startup. Sigh :(
>> 
>> Best,
>> Panos
>> --
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Based on the fact that my apps are still crashing on load in iOS 12 beta
>>> 4 (16A5327f) I can only assume that Fortnite was NOT written in Livecode ;)
>>> 
>>> --Andrew Bell
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>        <CA+JfEq9-ZbO8exFBJuovYsTQKQk4oqENJhCDNJw-Vpeow-Z9_w at mail.gm
>>>> ail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>> 
>>>> BTW Fortnite app seems to have suffered from a similar problem on iOS 12,
>>>> and a user on Reddit said that this was fixed on iOS 12 beta 4. Fingers
>>>> crossed :)
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Panos
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:37 AM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> iOS 12 beta 4 is out today. I will install it on our test device and
>>>>> have
>>>>> a play tomorrow. If anyone tries it sooner, please post your results
>>>>> here :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Panos
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Wed Jul 25 14:35:40 2018
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:35:40 -0700
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <1532521321628-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
	<CB4C0C8F-8DE0-4535-B4C1-E6028CCF0769@anvic.net>
	<1532521321628-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <858D3CF4-8739-4BE5-B776-9D01C7094050@elementarysoftware.com>

Neat! I didn?t know about resolve image.


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 AM, BNig via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> I think the easiest way would be to copy the images your custom control uses
> to the custom controls. 
> then add this code to the group (it is for one button "bOne" and two images
> "greenRound" and "redQMark"
> 
> on newGroup
>   resolve image "redQMark" relative to button "bOne" of me
>   if it is not empty then 
>      set the hilitedIcon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
>   end if
>   resolve image "greenRound" relative to button "bOne" of me
>   if it is not empty then 
>      set the icon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
>   end if
> end newGroup
> 
> "NewGroup" is a message that the custom control gets when you paste it.
> That way the custom control is self contained and when you paste it into a
> new stack it will assign the ids of the images to your buttons.
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> That way they are contained in your custom control and the custom control
> can be self contained, i.e. can be reused in a different stack.
> 
> 
> Simon Knight via use-livecode wrote
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> Thank you for your replies.  I apologise for my question, I should have
>> been clearer.  However, I have copied your response to my ?hints and tips?
>> document for reference in the future as it seems like a useful workflow to
>> know.
>> 
>> To clarify my question; I have created a simple custom control that uses
>> two list fields and some buttons.  I will probably want to use the control
>> in the future so I am seeking a method of saving the control ready to be
>> used in the future.  At the moment the png images, I use to "skin" the
>> buttons, are stored on a card on a sub-stack named assets.  I do this
>> because I am following some advice that Trevor Devore gave in a video some
>> years ago and I know no better.  
>> 
>> The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has
>> components stored in different locations and they may well become
>> separated sometime in the future.
>> Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the
>> prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and Mark
>> W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when
>> version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to
>> Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I
>> realise that one answer might be ?write a widget? but I don?t really want
>> to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to recreate
>> a control that I already have.
>> 
>> I had not thought of using a customProp to store images and in truth I did
>> not know it was an option so I will do some research and see what I can
>> learn.
>> 
>> Thanks again and best wishes
>> 
>> Simon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From smk at anvic.net  Wed Jul 25 16:18:57 2018
From: smk at anvic.net (Simon Knight)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:18:57 +0100
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <68CD8042-5F63-4AC8-8B54-F5A2910ABBC5@anvic.net>

Well I tried using custom props but did not get very far with them.  My solution is to add the image files to the group and hide them behind other controls.  I have added the attached handler that sets the button icons to the values of the images in the group.  The handler should be called when the original control is duplicated but.  

I used the array to ensure that the handler only finds images that are part of the group:

on newgroup
   -- set the icons for the buttons
  
   --build an array of refs to images in the group
   repeat with x=1 to the number of images of me
      put the ID of image x into tID
      put the short name of image x into tName
      put tID into ImageA[tName]
   end repeat
   
   --now set the icons
   set the icon of button "add" of me to ImageA["imgPlus"]
   set the icon of button "SortA" of me to ImageA["imgSort"]
   set the icon of button "Delete" of me to ImageA["imgBin"]
   
   set the icon of button "SortB" of me to ImageA["imgSort"]
   set the icon of button "Remove" of me to ImageA["imgLeftArrow"]
   set the icon of button "Use" of me to ImageA["imgLeftArrow"]   
end newgroup
> On 24 Jul 2018, at 23:36, scott--- via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> I see I probably misunderstood what you were trying to do. With a custom control I might be tempted to store the images in a customProp if I wanted multiple resolutions to travel with the group object. Then do something like setting the imageData of the image.
> ?
> Scott
> 
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> booth     1-800-615-0867
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom control?  I have tried adding the images to the custom control group but the buttons in copies of the first group refer back to the first group so there is no advantage when compared to storing the images on a card or in a folder.
>> 
>> best wishes
>> 
>> Simon K.
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From smk at anvic.net  Wed Jul 25 16:20:59 2018
From: smk at anvic.net (Simon Knight)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:20:59 +0100
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <1532521321628-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
	<CB4C0C8F-8DE0-4535-B4C1-E6028CCF0769@anvic.net>
	<1532521321628-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <140A7D6E-4EDA-46FB-9533-E5E905809624@anvic.net>

Hi Bernd,

Unfortunately when I tried your code the copies referred back to the original.

best wishes

Simon
> On 25 Jul 2018, at 13:22, BNig via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> I think the easiest way would be to copy the images your custom control uses
> to the custom controls. 
> then add this code to the group (it is for one button "bOne" and two images
> "greenRound" and "redQMark"
> 
> on newGroup
>   resolve image "redQMark" relative to button "bOne" of me
>   if it is not empty then 
>      set the hilitedIcon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
>   end if
>   resolve image "greenRound" relative to button "bOne" of me
>   if it is not empty then 
>      set the icon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
>   end if
> end newGroup
> 
> "NewGroup" is a message that the custom control gets when you paste it.
> That way the custom control is self contained and when you paste it into a
> new stack it will assign the ids of the images to your buttons.
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> That way they are contained in your custom control and the custom control
> can be self contained, i.e. can be reused in a different stack.
> 
> 
> Simon Knight via use-livecode wrote
>> Hi Scott,
>> 
>> Thank you for your replies.  I apologise for my question, I should have
>> been clearer.  However, I have copied your response to my ?hints and tips?
>> document for reference in the future as it seems like a useful workflow to
>> know.
>> 
>> To clarify my question; I have created a simple custom control that uses
>> two list fields and some buttons.  I will probably want to use the control
>> in the future so I am seeking a method of saving the control ready to be
>> used in the future.  At the moment the png images, I use to "skin" the
>> buttons, are stored on a card on a sub-stack named assets.  I do this
>> because I am following some advice that Trevor Devore gave in a video some
>> years ago and I know no better.  
>> 
>> The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has
>> components stored in different locations and they may well become
>> separated sometime in the future.
>> Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the
>> prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and Mark
>> W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when
>> version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to
>> Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I
>> realise that one answer might be ?write a widget? but I don?t really want
>> to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to recreate
>> a control that I already have.
>> 
>> I had not thought of using a customProp to store images and in truth I did
>> not know it was an option so I will do some research and see what I can
>> learn.
>> 
>> Thanks again and best wishes
>> 
>> Simon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> 
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From stephen at barncard.com  Wed Jul 25 16:41:17 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:41:17 -0700
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <140A7D6E-4EDA-46FB-9533-E5E905809624@anvic.net>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
	<CB4C0C8F-8DE0-4535-B4C1-E6028CCF0769@anvic.net>
	<1532521321628-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<140A7D6E-4EDA-46FB-9533-E5E905809624@anvic.net>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHL+X2P0e9PXWC4UfKe08uYjEY=AxQnWFD3no5CvbKb9Jw@mail.gmail.com>

lose the quotes inside the brackets??

sqb

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Simon Knight via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Bernd,
>
> Unfortunately when I tried your code the copies referred back to the
> original.
>
> best wishes
>
> Simon
> > On 25 Jul 2018, at 13:22, BNig via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > I think the easiest way would be to copy the images your custom control
> uses
> > to the custom controls.
> > then add this code to the group (it is for one button "bOne" and two
> images
> > "greenRound" and "redQMark"
> >
> > on newGroup
> >   resolve image "redQMark" relative to button "bOne" of me
> >   if it is not empty then
> >      set the hilitedIcon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
> >   end if
> >   resolve image "greenRound" relative to button "bOne" of me
> >   if it is not empty then
> >      set the icon of button "bOne" to the short id of it
> >   end if
> > end newGroup
> >
> > "NewGroup" is a message that the custom control gets when you paste it.
> > That way the custom control is self contained and when you paste it into
> a
> > new stack it will assign the ids of the images to your buttons.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Bernd
> >
> > That way they are contained in your custom control and the custom control
> > can be self contained, i.e. can be reused in a different stack.
> >
> >
> > Simon Knight via use-livecode wrote
> >> Hi Scott,
> >>
> >> Thank you for your replies.  I apologise for my question, I should have
> >> been clearer.  However, I have copied your response to my ?hints and
> tips?
> >> document for reference in the future as it seems like a useful workflow
> to
> >> know.
> >>
> >> To clarify my question; I have created a simple custom control that uses
> >> two list fields and some buttons.  I will probably want to use the
> control
> >> in the future so I am seeking a method of saving the control ready to be
> >> used in the future.  At the moment the png images, I use to "skin" the
> >> buttons, are stored on a card on a sub-stack named assets.  I do this
> >> because I am following some advice that Trevor Devore gave in a video
> some
> >> years ago and I know no better.
> >>
> >> The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has
> >> components stored in different locations and they may well become
> >> separated sometime in the future.
> >> Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the
> >> prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and
> Mark
> >> W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when
> >> version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to
> >> Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I
> >> realise that one answer might be ?write a widget? but I don?t really
> want
> >> to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to
> recreate
> >> a control that I already have.
> >>
> >> I had not thought of using a customProp to store images and in truth I
> did
> >> not know it was an option so I will do some research and see what I can
> >> learn.
> >>
> >> Thanks again and best wishes
> >>
> >> Simon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
> Revolution-User-f278306.html
> >
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 17:22:35 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 22:22:35 +0100
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9TtvoZajwYmLS34B-BgiWCDjY8JDMjqh8WBPfqFzooqA@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)

If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally a
sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
upcoming release.

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com> wrote:

> I've been using 9.0.0.
>
> When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
> navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
>
> When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff like my
> navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app launch.
>
> --Andrew Bell
>
> ------------------
>
>
> @Andrew thanks for checking.
>
> Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
> acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2 might be
> already fixed.
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>     Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
> app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
> directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message) so I
> had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
> (public beta 3) to test.
>
>     I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
>      1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app (between
> the openStack and openCard it seems)
>      2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
> card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
>
>     I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
> #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into this!
>
>     --Andrew Bell
>
>


From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Jul 25 17:22:55 2018
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 16:22:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <68CD8042-5F63-4AC8-8B54-F5A2910ABBC5@anvic.net>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
	<68CD8042-5F63-4AC8-8B54-F5A2910ABBC5@anvic.net>
Message-ID: <1532553775596-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Simon,

try to add "of me" like below

 repeat with x=1 to the number of images of me 
      put the ID of image x of me into tID 
      put the short name of image x of me into tName 
      put tID into ImageA[tName] 
   end repeat 

Kind regards

Bernd


scott--- via use-livecode wrote
> Well I tried using custom props but did not get very far with them.  My
> solution is to add the image files to the group and hide them behind other
> controls.  I have added the attached handler that sets the button icons to
> the values of the images in the group.  The handler should be called when
> the original control is duplicated but.  
> 
> I used the array to ensure that the handler only finds images that are
> part of the group:
> 
> on newgroup
>    -- set the icons for the buttons
>   
>    --build an array of refs to images in the group
>    repeat with x=1 to the number of images of me
>       put the ID of image x into tID
>       put the short name of image x into tName
>       put tID into ImageA[tName]
>    end repeat
>    
>    --now set the icons
>    set the icon of button "add" of me to ImageA["imgPlus"]
>    set the icon of button "SortA" of me to ImageA["imgSort"]
>    set the icon of button "Delete" of me to ImageA["imgBin"]
>    
>    set the icon of button "SortB" of me to ImageA["imgSort"]
>    set the icon of button "Remove" of me to ImageA["imgLeftArrow"]
>    set the icon of button "Use" of me to ImageA["imgLeftArrow"]   
> end newgroup
>> On 24 Jul 2018, at 23:36, scott--- via use-livecode &lt;

> use-livecode at .runrev

> &gt; wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Simon,
>> I see I probably misunderstood what you were trying to do. With a custom
>> control I might be tempted to store the images in a customProp if I
>> wanted multiple resolutions to travel with the group object. Then do
>> something like setting the imageData of the image.
>> ?
>> Scott
> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 8:44 AM, Simon Knight via use-livecode &lt;

> use-livecode at .runrev

> &gt; wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there an elegant method of storing images for use by a custom
>>> control?  I have tried adding the images to the custom control group but
>>> the buttons in copies of the first group refer back to the first group
>>> so there is no advantage when compared to storing the images on a card
>>> or in a folder.
>>> 
>>> best wishes
>>> 
>>> Simon K.





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From iowahengst at mac.com  Wed Jul 25 17:43:13 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:43:13 -0400
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9TtvoZajwYmLS34B-BgiWCDjY8JDMjqh8WBPfqFzooqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9TtvoZajwYmLS34B-BgiWCDjY8JDMjqh8WBPfqFzooqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E291208-2309-4A00-B44D-485525F325A8@mac.com>

Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS apps will break when iOS 12 comes out?

be well,
randy
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
> 
> If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally a
> sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
> upcoming release.
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I've been using 9.0.0.
>> 
>> When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
>> navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
>> 
>> When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff like my
>> navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app launch.
>> 
>> --Andrew Bell
>> 
>> ------------------
>> 
>> 
>> @Andrew thanks for checking.
>> 
>> Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
>> acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2 might be
>> already fixed.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Panos
>> --
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>    Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
>> app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
>> directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message) so I
>> had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
>> (public beta 3) to test.
>> 
>>    I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
>>     1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app (between
>> the openStack and openCard it seems)
>>     2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
>> card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
>> 
>>    I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
>> #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into this!
>> 
>>    --Andrew Bell
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 25 17:47:20 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:47:20 +0000
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <140A7D6E-4EDA-46FB-9533-E5E905809624@anvic.net>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
	<CB4C0C8F-8DE0-4535-B4C1-E6028CCF0769@anvic.net>
	<1532521321628-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<140A7D6E-4EDA-46FB-9533-E5E905809624@anvic.net>
Message-ID: <303BF96E-C7FE-4DA9-A926-40F7F2C3E1F5@iotecdigital.com>

About saving images: I learned a long time ago, both with graphics and publications development, as well as software development, to have copies of resources in a subfolder of a main project folder. This has a couple advantages: First of all, graphics applications can often auto-resolve references if you do that. Second, in case you want to skin your app, you can keep sets of graphics in other folders, then do a simple folder rename kabuke dance and voila! You just reskinned your app! 

As far as the technique of grouping buttons with their image objects (I hide my image objects and put them behind the button they belong to) and then grouping all the control groups as one, this is a great method, and allows you to programmatically dynamically update the controls as needed. 

Finally, as I mentioned, naming the images and buttons so that knowing the button name makes the image name predictable eliminates the need to store everything in an array for access later, although I'm sure that is a workable solution as well. 

I have no problem having multiple copies of an image in my application, at least for MacOS and Windows apps. They shouldn't take up too much space if designed right, and the convenience of keeping the images with the buttons that need them ensures my forms will ALWAYS display correctly. 

Bob S


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 13:20 , Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>>> The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has
>>> components stored in different locations and they may well become
>>> separated sometime in the future.
>>> Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the
>>> prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and Mark
>>> W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when
>>> version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to
>>> Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I
>>> realise that one answer might be ?write a widget? but I don?t really want
>>> to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to recreate
>>> a control that I already have.


From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 18:00:27 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 23:00:27 +0100
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <8E291208-2309-4A00-B44D-485525F325A8@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9TtvoZajwYmLS34B-BgiWCDjY8JDMjqh8WBPfqFzooqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E291208-2309-4A00-B44D-485525F325A8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8Fn8dQm_ayTp0BQ9zbDgCZbsLNx0JK=Ttwbrdejj9R+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Randy,

Yes, but we will have fixed this issue before iOS 12 goes public. Currently
iOS 12 is in beta, so more or less these issues are expected. This is the
purpose of beta releases anyway.

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:43 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS apps
> will break when iOS 12 comes out?
>
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>
> > On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
> >
> > If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally a
> > sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
> > upcoming release.
> >
> > Best,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been using 9.0.0.
> >>
> >> When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
> >> navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
> >>
> >> When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff like
> my
> >> navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app
> launch.
> >>
> >> --Andrew Bell
> >>
> >> ------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> @Andrew thanks for checking.
> >>
> >> Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
> >> acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2
> might be
> >> already fixed.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Panos
> >> --
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>    Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
> >> app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
> >> directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message) so
> I
> >> had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
> >> (public beta 3) to test.
> >>
> >>    I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first
> place:
> >>     1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app
> (between
> >> the openStack and openCard it seems)
> >>     2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
> >> card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
> >>
> >>    I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
> >> #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into
> this!
> >>
> >>    --Andrew Bell
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From monte at appisle.net  Wed Jul 25 18:53:20 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 08:53:20 +1000
Subject: Oauth2 (Dropbox) on iOS
In-Reply-To: <eabf3caa-0cfa-5e10-70d3-e5de9c39ce1f@cogapp.com>
References: <73fec49e-0b91-7395-5fce-a7da20f5e2ae@cogapp.com>
	<529B8EAE-D814-454B-8E24-77FEA35741A3@pidigital.co.uk>
	<c337ed04-6af4-e5d5-3364-52dbf9bc83f7@cogapp.com>
	<CA+JfEq-uxKiGkabDMgeFtPu_gi58+M6rsr1Vo5gsrFkmAK+Pjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq_pQFOhV=GBM-WTrgQe=VwopFerfW80nf7Njr=0RwhjyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<eabf3caa-0cfa-5e10-70d3-e5de9c39ce1f@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <B8E6D7F1-D076-4A3A-B69A-C3A14E35E78D@appisle.net>



> On 26 Jul 2018, at 12:54 am, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been trying with some variations of this - so far without success!

Hi Ben

As I just commented on the bug report you should be able to resolve this using the following plist entry:

<key>NSAppTransportSecurity</key>
<dict>
   <key>NSAllowsLocalNetworking</key>
   <true/>
</dict>

This is actually a general issue for anyone wanting to run a little in app HTTP server like the OAuth2 lib or the httpd lib. So we need a checkbox on standalone settings and then including either of those libs should force the setting.

In the meantime a custom plist template should keep you going.

Cheers

Monte


From colinholgate at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 18:56:18 2018
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 15:56:18 -0700
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <8E291208-2309-4A00-B44D-485525F325A8@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9TtvoZajwYmLS34B-BgiWCDjY8JDMjqh8WBPfqFzooqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E291208-2309-4A00-B44D-485525F325A8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2066DA1D-B2E3-4638-A305-84A412AFC202@gmail.com>

Did you mean all iOS apps, or LC ones in particular? I know that Skype crashes for example. If you have an app in the store I could test it for you.


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS apps will break when iOS 12 comes out?
> 
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
>> 
>> If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally a
>> sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
>> upcoming release.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Panos
>> --
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been using 9.0.0.
>>> 
>>> When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
>>> navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
>>> 
>>> When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff like my
>>> navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app launch.
>>> 
>>> --Andrew Bell
>>> 
>>> ------------------
>>> 
>>> 
>>> @Andrew thanks for checking.
>>> 
>>> Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
>>> acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2 might be
>>> already fixed.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
>>> app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
>>> directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message) so I
>>> had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
>>> (public beta 3) to test.
>>> 
>>>   I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
>>>    1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app (between
>>> the openStack and openCard it seems)
>>>    2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
>>> card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
>>> 
>>>   I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
>>> #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into this!
>>> 
>>>   --Andrew Bell
>>> 
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Jul 25 19:12:09 2018
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 18:12:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
In-Reply-To: <1532521321628-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <677CF4D5-9FEC-4046-801E-B8D636089094@anvic.net>
	<0F67A1BB-5C39-48CA-9FBE-55D883659B10@elementarysoftware.com>
	<CB4C0C8F-8DE0-4535-B4C1-E6028CCF0769@anvic.net>
	<1532521321628-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1532560329811-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

I am sorry to say that my solution does not work if you paste the group on
the same card. 

However Simons solution works when "of me" is added in the repeat loop 

resolve image is not granular enough to distinguish between groups. Once you
paste the group onto a different card or stack then it works.


It could also be simplified to the following code since the images for icons
of the custom control are known

on newGroup
   set the hilitedIcon of button "bOne" of me to the short id of image
"redQMark" of me
   set the icon of button "bOne" of me to the short id of image "greenRound"
of me
end newGroup

Kind regards



bnig--- via use-livecode wrote
> Hi Simon,
> 
> I think the easiest way would be to copy the images your custom control
> uses
> to the custom controls. 
> then add this code to the group (it is for one button "bOne" and two
> images
> "greenRound" and "redQMark"
> 
> on newGroup
>    resolve image "redQMark" relative to button "bOne" of me
>    if it is not empty then 
>       set the hilitedIcon of button "bOne" of me to the short id of it
>    end if
>    resolve image "greenRound" relative to button "bOne" of me
>    if it is not empty then 
>       set the icon of button "bOne" of me to the short id of it
>    end if
> end newGroup
> 
> "NewGroup" is a message that the custom control gets when you paste it.
> That way the custom control is self contained and when you paste it into a
> new stack it will assign the ids of the images to your buttons.
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> That way they are contained in your custom control and the custom control
> can be self contained, i.e. can be reused in a different stack.





--
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Wed Jul 25 19:19:03 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:19:03 -0400
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <2066DA1D-B2E3-4638-A305-84A412AFC202@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9TtvoZajwYmLS34B-BgiWCDjY8JDMjqh8WBPfqFzooqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E291208-2309-4A00-B44D-485525F325A8@mac.com>
	<2066DA1D-B2E3-4638-A305-84A412AFC202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <099EB476-3070-4A84-9455-8BCEB2D3ACB0@mac.com>

LC apps. I should have been more specific. 

be well,
randy
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Did you mean all iOS apps, or LC ones in particular? I know that Skype crashes for example. If you have an app in the store I could test it for you.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS apps will break when iOS 12 comes out?
>> 
>> be well,
>> randy
>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
>>> 
>>> If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally a
>>> sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
>>> upcoming release.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've been using 9.0.0.
>>>> 
>>>> When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
>>>> navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
>>>> 
>>>> When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff like my
>>>> navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app launch.
>>>> 
>>>> --Andrew Bell
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> @Andrew thanks for checking.
>>>> 
>>>> Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
>>>> acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2 might be
>>>> already fixed.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Panos
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
>>>> app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
>>>> directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message) so I
>>>> had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
>>>> (public beta 3) to test.
>>>> 
>>>>  I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
>>>>   1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app (between
>>>> the openStack and openCard it seems)
>>>>   2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
>>>> card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
>>>> 
>>>>  I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
>>>> #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into this!
>>>> 
>>>>  --Andrew Bell
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 
> 
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From stephen at barncard.com  Wed Jul 25 19:28:29 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 16:28:29 -0700
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <099EB476-3070-4A84-9455-8BCEB2D3ACB0@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9TtvoZajwYmLS34B-BgiWCDjY8JDMjqh8WBPfqFzooqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E291208-2309-4A00-B44D-485525F325A8@mac.com>
	<2066DA1D-B2E3-4638-A305-84A412AFC202@gmail.com>
	<099EB476-3070-4A84-9455-8BCEB2D3ACB0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJArNGxUaDTJRGY21kVUicgYg5GWocqWoE_P6k9RaEwpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Beautiful work, Randy

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 16:19 Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> LC apps. I should have been more specific.
>
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>
> > On Jul 25, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Did you mean all iOS apps, or LC ones in particular? I know that Skype
> crashes for example. If you have an app in the store I could test it for
> you.
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS
> apps will break when iOS 12 comes out?
> >>
> >> be well,
> >> randy
> >> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> >>
> >>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
> >>>
> >>> If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally
> a
> >>> sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
> >>> upcoming release.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Panos
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I've been using 9.0.0.
> >>>>
> >>>> When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
> >>>> navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
> >>>>
> >>>> When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff
> like my
> >>>> navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app
> launch.
> >>>>
> >>>> --Andrew Bell
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> @Andrew thanks for checking.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
> >>>> acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2
> might be
> >>>> already fixed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Panos
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
> >>>> app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
> >>>> directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message)
> so I
> >>>> had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
> >>>> (public beta 3) to test.
> >>>>
> >>>>  I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first
> place:
> >>>>   1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app
> (between
> >>>> the openStack and openCard it seems)
> >>>>   2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
> >>>> card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
> >>>>
> >>>>  I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
> >>>> #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into
> this!
> >>>>
> >>>>  --Andrew Bell
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
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mixstream.org


From waprothero at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 20:12:45 2018
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:12:45 -0700
Subject: Trouble getting Browser Widget to work on iOS
In-Reply-To: <8E291208-2309-4A00-B44D-485525F325A8@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9TtvoZajwYmLS34B-BgiWCDjY8JDMjqh8WBPfqFzooqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E291208-2309-4A00-B44D-485525F325A8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <81A470EE-9E63-488C-8066-0FB1FDAE9ADE@gmail.com>

I?ve been having trouble getting the browser widget to work in ios. I?m in livecode 9.0.0 Business edition. It works fine in the IDE, but won?t load on the iPhone.

I?m wondering if I could have left out any required inclusions. No help in the dictionary for that, tho. I?ve added everything that seems related to internet access.

If anybody has any ideas on this, I?d appreciate it. I haven?t tried going back tot he cef browser, but will unless somebody has a great idea of what I could be missing.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org



From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jul 25 20:25:50 2018
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 00:25:50 +0000
Subject: Trouble getting Browser Widget to work on iOS
In-Reply-To: <81A470EE-9E63-488C-8066-0FB1FDAE9ADE@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<CA+JfEq9TtvoZajwYmLS34B-BgiWCDjY8JDMjqh8WBPfqFzooqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E291208-2309-4A00-B44D-485525F325A8@mac.com>
	<81A470EE-9E63-488C-8066-0FB1FDAE9ADE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10D66667-D0ED-4BF4-9E91-BBB3D02BBE87@unimelb.edu.au>

Hi Bill - I had similar problems last week. Assuming you have the browser widget inclusion checked then the other thing to look for is whether there are any mobile scrollers on the screen that overlap with the location of the widget as they appear to interfere with it being rendered. If this is the case (and you are effectively hiding and showing the browser) then set the visible of the scroller to false when the browser is active and back to true when you?re no longer using it.

HTH,

Terry

From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of William Prothero via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Reply-To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Date: Thursday, 26 July 2018 10:13 am
To: Use-livecode Use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: William Prothero <waprothero at gmail.com>
Subject: Trouble getting Browser Widget to work on iOS

I?ve been having trouble getting the browser widget to work in ios. I?m in livecode 9.0.0 Business edition. It works fine in the IDE, but won?t load on the iPhone.

I?m wondering if I could have left out any required inclusions. No help in the dictionary for that, tho. I?ve added everything that seems related to internet access.

If anybody has any ideas on this, I?d appreciate it. I haven?t tried going back tot he cef browser, but will unless somebody has a great idea of what I could be missing.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
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From prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org  Wed Jul 25 20:28:42 2018
From: prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org (prothero at earthlearningsolutions.org)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:28:42 -0700
Subject: Trouble getting Browser Widget to work on iOS
In-Reply-To: <10D66667-D0ED-4BF4-9E91-BBB3D02BBE87@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180725161308.Horde.Fz3R8CzkDbWDj-xrt5gRdGx@ua850258.serversignin.com>
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Ahh, that could be it. I have a scroller control that I use to adjust the size of the browser farms.

Thanks!
Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:25 PM, Terry Judd via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill - I had similar problems last week. Assuming you have the browser widget inclusion checked then the other thing to look for is whether there are any mobile scrollers on the screen that overlap with the location of the widget as they appear to interfere with it being rendered. If this is the case (and you are effectively hiding and showing the browser) then set the visible of the scroller to false when the browser is active and back to true when you?re no longer using it.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Terry
> 
> From: use-livecode <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of William Prothero via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Reply-To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thursday, 26 July 2018 10:13 am
> To: Use-livecode Use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: William Prothero <waprothero at gmail.com>
> Subject: Trouble getting Browser Widget to work on iOS
> 
> I?ve been having trouble getting the browser widget to work in ios. I?m in livecode 9.0.0 Business edition. It works fine in the IDE, but won?t load on the iPhone.
> 
> I?m wondering if I could have left out any required inclusions. No help in the dictionary for that, tho. I?ve added everything that seems related to internet access.
> 
> If anybody has any ideas on this, I?d appreciate it. I haven?t tried going back tot he cef browser, but will unless somebody has a great idea of what I could be missing.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org<http://earthlearningsolutions.org>
> 
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 20:40:42 2018
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:40:42 -0700
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <099EB476-3070-4A84-9455-8BCEB2D3ACB0@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
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I had tried some in the past, and so re-downloaded those, and also downloaded other free ones. Think I have five now. All of them settle on the splash screen, flash briefly to a black screen, do the 3D spin, then either went to a black screen and stayed there, or quit out to the iOS home screen. They get a lot further than my test app before I did the acceleratedRendering fix.

I think you should find a device that you can test iOS 12 on.

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> LC apps. I should have been more specific. 
> 
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Did you mean all iOS apps, or LC ones in particular? I know that Skype crashes for example. If you have an app in the store I could test it for you.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS apps will break when iOS 12 comes out?
>>> 
>>> be well,
>>> randy
>>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
>>>> 
>>>> If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally a
>>>> sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
>>>> upcoming release.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Panos
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been using 9.0.0.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
>>>>> navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff like my
>>>>> navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app launch.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Andrew Bell
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> @Andrew thanks for checking.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
>>>>> acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2 might be
>>>>> already fixed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Panos
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
>>>>> app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
>>>>> directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message) so I
>>>>> had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
>>>>> (public beta 3) to test.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
>>>>>  1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app (between
>>>>> the openStack and openCard it seems)
>>>>>  2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
>>>>> card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
>>>>> #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into this!
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Andrew Bell
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Wed Jul 25 21:13:11 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:13:11 -0400
Subject: iOS 12 compatibility
In-Reply-To: <259047E3-1869-4949-87BD-B179E3747EAE@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1532512801.18309.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
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Thank you for taking the time and sharing the feedback. Here?s hoping I don?t have to resubmit them all. I?ll look into get a machine to test 12 on. 

be well,
randy
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I had tried some in the past, and so re-downloaded those, and also downloaded other free ones. Think I have five now. All of them settle on the splash screen, flash briefly to a black screen, do the 3D spin, then either went to a black screen and stayed there, or quit out to the iOS home screen. They get a lot further than my test app before I did the acceleratedRendering fix.
> 
> I think you should find a device that you can test iOS 12 on.
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> LC apps. I should have been more specific. 
>> 
>> be well,
>> randy
>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you mean all iOS apps, or LC ones in particular? I know that Skype crashes for example. If you have an app in the store I could test it for you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS apps will break when iOS 12 comes out?
>>>> 
>>>> be well,
>>>> randy
>>>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally a
>>>>> sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
>>>>> upcoming release.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Panos
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been using 9.0.0.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
>>>>>> navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff like my
>>>>>> navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app launch.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --Andrew Bell
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> @Andrew thanks for checking.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
>>>>>> acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2 might be
>>>>>> already fixed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Panos
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
>>>>>> app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
>>>>>> directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message) so I
>>>>>> had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
>>>>>> (public beta 3) to test.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
>>>>>> 1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app (between
>>>>>> the openStack and openCard it seems)
>>>>>> 2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
>>>>>> card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
>>>>>> #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into this!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --Andrew Bell
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jul 25 23:06:30 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 22:06:30 -0500
Subject: Datagrids and Nested Behaviors
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References: <E7C1F1FD-3CE8-4A0C-A98A-5390804A406B@uni-wh.de>
	<af80368d-00f5-46cf-9d1f-adf879a96be6@Spark>
	<7CC8A8C7-594B-40FA-A42F-209C4BCDD547@uni-wh.de>
	<389AF25C-56A0-475F-B249-0A6643FF8B46@iotecdigital.com>
	<163EB093-1DAB-438E-9E72-FAD0DDA1CECF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52e9d768-1769-48f1-9013-d7beb9365e0e@Spark>
	<CA+yhkRZybAomZUq9s5i89U3a620_TvbH8PPt-QUFG41wiGsB-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<11ECA1F9-C349-440E-B701-C97C52320EE9@iotecdigital.com>
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	<8914AF5C-FC55-42E0-8A80-D33380F11A03@iotecdigital.com>
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You are welcome!  Of course Bernd is the one who provided the key piece of
information.

I updated my GitHub repo with a README (trying to figure out how to do
them).  So now when you go to the link, it will pull in the image and
provides links to this thread, the PR, and the individual scripts.

https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-misc/tree/master/NestedDGBehavior


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks Brian. There IS no better development community in the world than
> this one. This all began with Hypercard communities and their spirit of
> sharing and mutual support. We seem to be the last bastion.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 24, 2018, at 16:31 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > PR submitted on Bug 21427.
> > https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/1987
> >
> > Since it is a full PR, I went ahead and switched over to using a script
> > local everywhere and initialize it when the DG is initialized.  I also
> > looked for an object in the DG resource stack instead of hard coding the
> > stack name.  I'm thinking about posting a stack that can make the
> temporary
> > modifications necessary to allow this functionality while waiting on the
> > code to make it to production.  The temp mods will be much closer to what
> > was posted in this thread.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Never mind Brian, it works. I had the behavior of the custom button set
> >> the the behavior STACK and NOT the reDataGridLibrary stack button (now
> >> empty).
> >>
> >> Once I got the behavior of the custom button set to the old behavior
> >> button, the datagrid now works! You guys are freaking geniuses!
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 24, 2018, at 07:57 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I?ll put something together tonight. The code in the library has to be
> >> updated before opening a card with a DG that has the adjusted behavior
> >> chain. I have an idea on how to do it in script, but need to test it
> out to
> >> verify it will work.
> >>> On Jul 24, 2018, 9:54 AM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> >>>> I did so. I get this when opening my test stack:
> >>>>
> >>>> 91,260,123
> >>>> 62,260,123
> >>>> 77,260,123
> >>>> 456,260,57
> >>>> 534,260,123
> >>>> 253,260,123
> >>>> 241,236,1,_Initialize
> >>>> 353,0,0,stack "/Applications/LiveCode Community 9.0.1 (rc
> >> 1).app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/palettes/revdatagridlibrary/
> >> behaviorsdatagridbuttonbehavior.livecodescript"
> >>>> 573,188,1,_Initialize
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll poke around later.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob S
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 22:12 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> local sResourceStack
> >>>>> private function _ResourceStack
> >>>>> local theStack, theCharNo
> >>>>>
> >>>>> if sResourceStack is empty then
> >>>>> put the behavior of me into theStack
> >>>>>
> >>>>> repeat
> >>>>> if trueWord -1 of theStack is "revDataGridLibrary" or theStack is
> >>>>> empty then
> >>>>> exit repeat
> >>>>> else
> >>>>> put the behavior of theStack into theStack
> >>>>> end if
> >>>>> end repeat
> >>>>>
> >>>>> if theStack is not empty then
> >>>>> put offset(" of stack", theStack) into theCharNo
> >>>>> delete char 1 to (theCharNo + 3) of theStack
> >>>>> end if
> >>>>> put theStack into sResourceStack
> >>>>> end if
> >>>>>
> >>>>> return sResourceStack
> >>>>> end _ResourceStack
> >>>>
> >>>>
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From beugelaar at solidit.nl  Wed Jul 25 23:57:45 2018
From: beugelaar at solidit.nl (Erik Beugelaar)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 05:57:45 +0200
Subject: ANN: *** targetSdkVersion requirements Android ***
Message-ID: <005701d42494$d0f03570$72d0a050$@solidit.nl>

Hi All,

 

Starting from August 2018 for new apps and November 2018 for existing apps,
Google will force developers to set the targetSdkVersion to 26+:
<https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/12/improving-app-security-an
d-performance.html>
https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/12/improving-app-security-and
-performance.html

 

Cheers,

Erik



From colinholgate at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 00:02:05 2018
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:02:05 -0700
Subject: ANN: *** targetSdkVersion requirements Android ***
In-Reply-To: <005701d42494$d0f03570$72d0a050$@solidit.nl>
References: <005701d42494$d0f03570$72d0a050$@solidit.nl>
Message-ID: <F6C67475-A5F6-4011-8E17-DD299ECE5FBC@gmail.com>

One problem this may introduce is that from Android 6 onwards you?re expected to only ask permission to use features at the time the user reaches that part of your app, like it has always been on iOS. I wrote about publishing to Android before Android 6, I?m not sure how that gets handled. Are there features in LiveCode to cover the difficulty of asking for permission at runtime instead of when the app is installed?


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 8:57 PM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> 
> Starting from August 2018 for new apps and November 2018 for existing apps,
> Google will force developers to set the targetSdkVersion to 26+:
> <https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/12/improving-app-security-an
> d-performance.html>
> https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/12/improving-app-security-and
> -performance.html
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Erik
> 
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From waprothero at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 00:27:22 2018
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:27:22 -0700
Subject: Browser Widget question
In-Reply-To: <81A470EE-9E63-488C-8066-0FB1FDAE9ADE@gmail.com>
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I am using the browser widget on iOS. I can load and display one URL. But, if I set another URL, it doesn?t load. Are there commands I should give to unset the old URL and refresh to the new one? I have it working in the IDE, but on IOS, only the first URL will load. Another one has now effect.

I wonder, will the browser load http: URL?s? It works in the IDE, but in iOS, I need to use https.

Thanks for any hints on this. I?ve spend enough time dicking around.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org



From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 03:08:23 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 08:08:23 +0100
Subject: Browser Widget question
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Hi Bill,

On iOS http URL are blocked by ATS (App Transport Security). You can
disable ATS in the iOS standalone settings, but it is not recommended.
Another way is to add  a whitelist of URLs that should not be blocked by
ATS. This requires using a custom plist.

Best,
Panos
--

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 5:27 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I am using the browser widget on iOS. I can load and display one URL. But,
> if I set another URL, it doesn?t load. Are there commands I should give to
> unset the old URL and refresh to the new one? I have it working in the IDE,
> but on IOS, only the first URL will load. Another one has now effect.
>
> I wonder, will the browser load http: URL?s? It works in the IDE, but in
> iOS, I need to use https.
>
> Thanks for any hints on this. I?ve spend enough time dicking around.
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> William A. Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>
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From smk at anvic.net  Thu Jul 26 04:52:33 2018
From: smk at anvic.net (Simon Knight)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:52:33 +0100
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
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Bob,

The reason I went for the array rather than a naming convention such as you suggest is because I have no idea how Livecode resolves the names.  I have an impression that it looks at the stack and works its way up through the images in ID order.  The upshot is that a button in a copy of the first group may well be using images from other groups.

I tried all sorts of syntax along the lines of image ?ImgPlusButton? of this group but any attempts to specify the location were rejected.  My code associates the local image of the required name that is within the group container with its ID number which is allocated when the group is created.  I believe that the stack wide naming/ID list is also where Bernd?s code fails; images are indeed found but there is no guarantee that they are the images that are members of the group or as in one of my tests even on the same stack.

best wishes

Simon

> On 25 Jul 2018, at 22:47, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> About saving images: I learned a long time ago, both with graphics and publications development, as well as software development, to have copies of resources in a subfolder of a main project folder. This has a couple advantages: First of all, graphics applications can often auto-resolve references if you do that. Second, in case you want to skin your app, you can keep sets of graphics in other folders, then do a simple folder rename kabuke dance and voila! You just reskinned your app! 
> 
> As far as the technique of grouping buttons with their image objects (I hide my image objects and put them behind the button they belong to) and then grouping all the control groups as one, this is a great method, and allows you to programmatically dynamically update the controls as needed. 
> 
> Finally, as I mentioned, naming the images and buttons so that knowing the button name makes the image name predictable eliminates the need to store everything in an array for access later, although I'm sure that is a workable solution as well. 
> 
> I have no problem having multiple copies of an image in my application, at least for MacOS and Windows apps. They shouldn't take up too much space if designed right, and the convenience of keeping the images with the buttons that need them ensures my forms will ALWAYS display correctly. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 13:20 , Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> The problem with this storage solution is that my custom control has
>>>> components stored in different locations and they may well become
>>>> separated sometime in the future.
>>>> Initially, I searched the Livecode forum and found a thread where the
>>>> prospect of better encapsulation of custom controls was discussed and Mark
>>>> W. wrote that he was thinking  about it.  This was a few years ago when
>>>> version 6 was current and I wondered if any features have been added to
>>>> Livecode to enable fully encapsulated custom controls to be written.  I
>>>> realise that one answer might be ?write a widget? but I don?t really want
>>>> to take time learning a new language and process in an attempt to recreate
>>>> a control that I already have.
> 
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From smk at anvic.net  Thu Jul 26 08:12:42 2018
From: smk at anvic.net (Simon Knight)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 13:12:42 +0100
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
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Hi Stephen,

Why lose the quotes, the texts are literals and not variables.

Simon

> On 25 Jul 2018, at 21:41, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ose the quotes inside the brackets??
> 
> sqb
> 
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -



From waprothero at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 10:07:36 2018
From: waprothero at gmail.com (William Prothero)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:07:36 -0700
Subject: Browser Widget question
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Panos:
Thanks, that cleared up one of my problems. 

I have two buttons, each of which launches a different URL. The http one launches first. This works as expected when I, for test purposes, block ATS. The second button launches an https site, but when I do ?set the URL of widget ?Browser? to ?https://myURL <https://myurl/>here?, it fails to load. I get the ?browserdocumentloadbegin? message, but the site doesn?t load. It works fine in the IDE, though.

Best,
Bill

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 12:08 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> On iOS http URL are blocked by ATS (App Transport Security). You can
> disable ATS in the iOS standalone settings, but it is not recommended.
> Another way is to add  a whitelist of URLs that should not be blocked by
> ATS. This requires using a custom plist.
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 5:27 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am using the browser widget on iOS. I can load and display one URL. But,
>> if I set another URL, it doesn?t load. Are there commands I should give to
>> unset the old URL and refresh to the new one? I have it working in the IDE,
>> but on IOS, only the first URL will load. Another one has now effect.
>> 
>> I wonder, will the browser load http: URL?s? It works in the IDE, but in
>> iOS, I need to use https.
>> 
>> Thanks for any hints on this. I?ve spend enough time dicking around.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
>> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 26 10:40:19 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:40:19 +0200
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
Message-ID: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

can we possibly "mis-"use tsNet somehow to check if the 
current machine has a valid internet connection? 
And to check if a given URL is valid?

Thanks for any hints!


Best

Klaus
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klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 26 12:47:22 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:47:22 +0000
Subject: Storing Images for use by Custom Controls
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Yes that is exactly it. And because of that, if LC does not "see" that first group before the copy, then the images will not display correctly. If the images are in the same stack, then there is no problem, you can make copies of the group as much as you want, but suppose you copied the group from one stack to another, like a new substack in the same mainstack, or a completely different mainstack? Well then, BIG problem! 

That is why I came up with the naming method. It makes the group completely portable. I could have gotten around the issue of the file links not being found by using absolute file references instead of relative ones ie. 

/Users/bobsneidar/Documents/Livecode Projects/Forms Generator 8/Images/PlusDisabled.png 

instead of 

./Images/PlusDisabled.png

and then I could use a cetral image repository, but then the idea of skinning the app would not have worked without replacing the images in the central repository, which would affect ALL your projects that used them. 

Bob S


> On Jul 26, 2018, at 01:52 , Simon Knight via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> The reason I went for the array rather than a naming convention such as you suggest is because I have no idea how Livecode resolves the names.  I have an impression that it looks at the stack and works its way up through the images in ID order.  The upshot is that a button in a copy of the first group may well be using images from other groups.




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jul 26 16:32:44 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 16:32:44 -0400
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
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It doesn't surprise me that the optical scanning on the iphone is
performing differently than the ccd or laser scanner on the conveyor are.
The laser/ccd is only going to scan in the 600-650 nm wavelength, which is
both good and bad.  The overall width of the barcode shouldn't matter to
the scanner within the range that you will be dealing with.  It's not
unusual for 1D barcodes to be the full width of an AIAG label.
I just googled "free 2 of 5 font" and found a bunch of entries.  I'm not
using 2 of 5 so I can't speak to how good any of them are.


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:26 PM Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> "Btw, us tractor tape the correct expression?"
>
> I could see how 'conveyor belt' could be easily lost in translation.
>
> sqb
>
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, with iPhone and our USB scanners we are able to scan that ?wider?
> > bars, but i am not sure the highspeed scanners of the carrier can.
> > The packages are scanned by  high speed scanners while they are carried
> > and sorted on a?tractor tapes?. Btw, us tractor tape the correct
> expression?
> >
> > If the thermal transfer labels are accepted by the carrier then i will
> > add an option for the user to switch between laser and thermal printing.
> > The app will use different settings for laser and thermal printing.
> > So in case the TT printer is broken, they can switch over the laser
> > printer.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Am 24.07.2018 um 00:01 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> > >
> > > Out of curiosity, does printed barcodes from the laserwriter still work
> > with these settings?
> > >
> > > Bob S
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Jul 22, 2018, at 14:18 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I have to add something.
> > >>
> > >> As I wrote, we were able to successfully scan the labels. This is true
> > as long as we print the labels with a laser printer.
> > >>
> > >> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code
> > cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
> > >> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to
> > increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear
> > ones.
> > >>
> > >> So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels
> > with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.
> > >>
> > >> put ?3" into tNarrow
> > >> put ?6" into tWide
> > >> set the width of grc "narrowC" to (tNarrow - 2)
> > >> set the width of grc "narrowB" to (tNarrow -3)
> > >> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
> > >> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Matthias Rebbe
> > >
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 16:47:34 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 23:47:34 +0300
Subject: drawing a Barcode without a Barcode font
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I was extremely lucky to spend 3 days as the guest of Dr Agnes and Dr 
Jackson He at their home in Long Island about 10 weeks ago:

http://spie.org/profile/Duanfeng.He-10918?SSO=1

Jackson is best described as the "Barcode King".

Richmond.

On 26/7/2018 11:32 pm, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> It doesn't surprise me that the optical scanning on the iphone is
> performing differently than the ccd or laser scanner on the conveyor are.
> The laser/ccd is only going to scan in the 600-650 nm wavelength, which is
> both good and bad.  The overall width of the barcode shouldn't matter to
> the scanner within the range that you will be dealing with.  It's not
> unusual for 1D barcodes to be the full width of an AIAG label.
> I just googled "free 2 of 5 font" and found a bunch of entries.  I'm not
> using 2 of 5 so I can't speak to how good any of them are.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:26 PM Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> "Btw, us tractor tape the correct expression?"
>>
>> I could see how 'conveyor belt' could be easily lost in translation.
>>
>> sqb
>>
>> --
>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
>> mixstream.org
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, with iPhone and our USB scanners we are able to scan that ?wider?
>>> bars, but i am not sure the highspeed scanners of the carrier can.
>>> The packages are scanned by  high speed scanners while they are carried
>>> and sorted on a?tractor tapes?. Btw, us tractor tape the correct
>> expression?
>>> If the thermal transfer labels are accepted by the carrier then i will
>>> add an option for the user to switch between laser and thermal printing.
>>> The app will use different settings for laser and thermal printing.
>>> So in case the TT printer is broken, they can switch over the laser
>>> printer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 24.07.2018 um 00:01 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> Out of curiosity, does printed barcodes from the laserwriter still work
>>> with these settings?
>>>> Bob S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2018, at 14:18 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> I have to add something.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I wrote, we were able to successfully scan the labels. This is true
>>> as long as we print the labels with a laser printer.
>>>>> If we print the labels with a thermo printer (203 dpi) then the code
>>> cannot be scanned with the values i posted before.
>>>>> We  had set the line thickness of the rectangles to 0 and had to
>>> increase the width of the black bars and decrease the width of the clear
>>> ones.
>>>>> So the code below shows the settings which allow us to scan the labels
>>> with a Toshiba B-EV4D and a Zebra LP 2844.
>>>>> put ?3" into tNarrow
>>>>> put ?6" into tWide
>>>>> set the width of grc "narrowC" to (tNarrow - 2)
>>>>> set the width of grc "narrowB" to (tNarrow -3)
>>>>> set the width of grc "wideC" to tWide
>>>>> set the width of grc "wideB" to tWide
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthias Rebbe
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From keith.clarke at me.com  Fri Jul 27 12:06:28 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:06:28 +0100
Subject: OT: On-Rev cPanel (port 2083) access blocked by BT Smart Hub router?
Message-ID: <4A782128-E68F-4C2D-A32B-C5BD636C7C58@me.com>

Hi folks,
Apologies for OT thread - but I?m hoping there may be a UK-based fellow on-rev hosting user, with BT Broadband + Smart Hub, who can confirm whether any router tweaks are needed to access port 2083 (for on-rev cPanel), which seems to be blocked from any device on my home network (BT Broadband & Smart Hub)?

I?m no router/network expert but think it?s my router configuration, as:
I can reach the cPanel page using my phone?s mobile hotspot - i.e. avoiding my home router & ISP
The mothership?s hosting support team confirm that other on-rev users - and they themselves - are getting to cPanel OK via BT broadband services

Checking the Smart Hub router?s fairly limited settings (even in the ?advanced? area), there are no outbound blocking firewall settings in play and indeed, no outbound port management facility that I can find. 

I even experimented with port-forwarding 2083 direct to my Mac but that didn?t work - not that I expect it to, as my understanding of port-forwarding is for inbound traffic anyway.

Any ideas gratefully received.
Keith

From mark at livecode.com  Fri Jul 27 12:13:34 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 18:13:34 +0200
Subject: ANN: *** targetSdkVersion requirements Android ***
In-Reply-To: <F6C67475-A5F6-4011-8E17-DD299ECE5FBC@gmail.com>
References: <005701d42494$d0f03570$72d0a050$@solidit.nl>
	<F6C67475-A5F6-4011-8E17-DD299ECE5FBC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c658ccb3baf22f46269775913947241@livecode.com>

On 2018-07-26 06:02, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
> One problem this may introduce is that from Android 6 onwards you?re
> expected to only ask permission to use features at the time the user
> reaches that part of your app, like it has always been on iOS. I wrote
> about publishing to Android before Android 6, I?m not sure how that
> gets handled. Are there features in LiveCode to cover the difficulty
> of asking for permission at runtime instead of when the app is
> installed?

9.0.1-rc-1 changes the engine to build against the appropriate minimum 
now so
we are almost there.

However, we had noticed the above - admittedly due to a regression in 
9.0.1-rc-1 with
regards to the camera - so we have (well Panos) has been working hard to
resolve that.

We're putting implicit permission requests in all the places that need 
them
(which parallels how iOS has been since around iOS8), and are intending 
on
adding a new android-specific command so you can request appropriate 
permissions
at any point before needing them to ensure apps can be designed to work 
nicely
regardless of what the user wants access to.

So thanks for the heads-up - we are working on it!

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. We could look into doing something similar with iOS with regards 
explicitly
being able to ask for permission for things - in a similar way proposed 
above. If
people feel there is a need for it, please file an enhancement request 
and we'll
see what we can do. (At the moment we propose to add an 
androidRequestPermission
command - but we could add an iphone one too at some point, and then 
perhaps a
cross-platform one which tries to do its best to map the permission 
groups on android
to the similar things on iOS).

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 27 12:23:10 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 09:23:10 -0700
Subject: OT: On-Rev cPanel (port 2083) access blocked by BT Smart Hub
	router?
In-Reply-To: <4A782128-E68F-4C2D-A32B-C5BD636C7C58@me.com>
References: <4A782128-E68F-4C2D-A32B-C5BD636C7C58@me.com>
Message-ID: <cc78efd3-bc12-341d-bd19-482f006c9c88@sonic.net>

On 07/27/2018 09:06 AM, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Apologies for OT thread - but I?m hoping there may be a UK-based fellow on-rev hosting user, with BT Broadband + Smart Hub, who can confirm whether any router tweaks are needed to access port 2083 (for on-rev cPanel), which seems to be blocked from any device on my home network (BT Broadband & Smart Hub)?

Don't know if this will help, but apparently you're not alone in not 
being able to access port 2083. If your router allows you to set proxy 
subdomains then this might work.

https://forums.cpanel.net/threads/how-to-login-when-port-2083-is-blocked.553551/
-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 27 12:32:47 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 18:32:47 +0200
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
References: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <C1DFBCC5-DD16-4EED-A841-CB77F75F9445@major-k.de>


> Am 26.07.2018 um 16:40 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> can we possibly "mis-"use tsNet somehow to check if the 
> current machine has a valid internet connection? 
> And to check if a given URL is valid?
> 
> Thanks for any hints!

Cheese anyone? 8-)

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 27 12:44:09 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 09:44:09 -0700
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <C1DFBCC5-DD16-4EED-A841-CB77F75F9445@major-k.de>
References: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
	<C1DFBCC5-DD16-4EED-A841-CB77F75F9445@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <62f72041-b1e4-e3d2-85ee-e5294b23e11b@sonic.net>

On 07/27/2018 09:32 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> Am 26.07.2018 um 16:40 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> can we possibly "mis-"use tsNet somehow to check if the
>> current machine has a valid internet connection?
>> And to check if a given URL is valid?
>>
>> Thanks for any hints!
> 
> Cheese anyone? 8-)

Yum. Cheese.
Define "valid"...

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 27 12:48:31 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 18:48:31 +0200
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <62f72041-b1e4-e3d2-85ee-e5294b23e11b@sonic.net>
References: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
	<C1DFBCC5-DD16-4EED-A841-CB77F75F9445@major-k.de>
	<62f72041-b1e4-e3d2-85ee-e5294b23e11b@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <B35E4BFC-4B6C-4388-B2E9-B8296465A330@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Am 27.07.2018 um 18:44 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 07/27/2018 09:32 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Am 26.07.2018 um 16:40 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi friends,
>>> 
>>> can we possibly "mis-"use tsNet somehow to check if the
>>> current machine has a valid internet connection?
>>> And to check if a given URL is valid?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any hints!
>> Cheese anyone? 8-)
> 
> Yum. Cheese.

I KNEW this would get some attention! :-)

> Define "valid"...

Sorry, I meant if the machine is currently connected to the internet.
And if an URL actually does exist = "valid".

> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 27 12:51:29 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 09:51:29 -0700
Subject: OT: Looking for a new programming language?
Message-ID: <467fed03-392b-95d8-6776-e4d56869a038@sonic.net>


"But why?
Mainly because if we make Rockstar a real (and completely pointless) 
programming language, then recruiters and hiring managers won't be able 
to talk about 'rockstar developers' any more."

https://boingboing.net/2018/07/25/hello-cleveland-world.html
https://github.com/dylanbeattie/rockstar

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From keith.clarke at me.com  Fri Jul 27 12:58:53 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:58:53 +0100
Subject: OT: On-Rev cPanel (port 2083) access blocked by BT Smart Hub
	router?
In-Reply-To: <cc78efd3-bc12-341d-bd19-482f006c9c88@sonic.net>
References: <4A782128-E68F-4C2D-A32B-C5BD636C7C58@me.com>
	<cc78efd3-bc12-341d-bd19-482f006c9c88@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <94EF86E0-73BE-4262-A90D-7A582AF5DFB9@me.com>

Thanks Mark, I had found that thread but unfortunately that sits at the WHM server-level of cPanel to which only the mothership team have keys - for some reason we don?t get to play with server-wide config as on-rev shared hosting users ;-)

I doubt that on-rev support would be too keen to update server settings that could affect all users just because my router or ISP has blocked a port.

I?ll try a different router not supplied by my ISP, just in case they are restricting the router's menu.
Thanks
Keith   

> On 27 Jul 2018, at 17:23, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 07/27/2018 09:06 AM, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> Apologies for OT thread - but I?m hoping there may be a UK-based fellow on-rev hosting user, with BT Broadband + Smart Hub, who can confirm whether any router tweaks are needed to access port 2083 (for on-rev cPanel), which seems to be blocked from any device on my home network (BT Broadband & Smart Hub)?
> 
> Don't know if this will help, but apparently you're not alone in not being able to access port 2083. If your router allows you to set proxy subdomains then this might work.
> 
> https://forums.cpanel.net/threads/how-to-login-when-port-2083-is-blocked.553551/
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 27 13:05:00 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:05:00 -0700
Subject: OT: On-Rev cPanel (port 2083) access blocked by BT Smart Hub
	router?
In-Reply-To: <94EF86E0-73BE-4262-A90D-7A582AF5DFB9@me.com>
References: <4A782128-E68F-4C2D-A32B-C5BD636C7C58@me.com>
	<cc78efd3-bc12-341d-bd19-482f006c9c88@sonic.net>
	<94EF86E0-73BE-4262-A90D-7A582AF5DFB9@me.com>
Message-ID: <5ff6446c-a39d-38f9-c65c-896cdb099567@sonic.net>

On 07/27/2018 09:58 AM, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks Mark, I had found that thread but unfortunately that sits at the WHM server-level of cPanel to which only the mothership team have keys - for some reason we don?t get to play with server-wide config as on-rev shared hosting users ;-)
> 
> I doubt that on-rev support would be too keen to update server settings that could affect all users just because my router or ISP has blocked a port.
> 
> I?ll try a different router not supplied by my ISP, just in case they are restricting the router's menu.

Yeah, I was afraid this would get down to cPanel configs.
If you've got a fancy router you could possibly write a rule to forward 
port 443 to 2083 for the cPanel url only and that might have a chance of 
working...

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 27 13:11:44 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:11:44 -0700
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <B35E4BFC-4B6C-4388-B2E9-B8296465A330@major-k.de>
References: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
	<C1DFBCC5-DD16-4EED-A841-CB77F75F9445@major-k.de>
	<62f72041-b1e4-e3d2-85ee-e5294b23e11b@sonic.net>
	<B35E4BFC-4B6C-4388-B2E9-B8296465A330@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1e092528-70e1-b810-04b2-79979bcc0213@sonic.net>

On 07/27/2018 09:48 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:

> Sorry, I meant if the machine is currently connected to the internet.
> And if an URL actually does exist = "valid".

So an active ethernet connection won't do the trick.
And a valid address won't work either.
I don't know of any way to validate that an address outside your local 
subnet exists other than trying to connect to it.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 27 13:16:36 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 19:16:36 +0200
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <1e092528-70e1-b810-04b2-79979bcc0213@sonic.net>
References: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
	<C1DFBCC5-DD16-4EED-A841-CB77F75F9445@major-k.de>
	<62f72041-b1e4-e3d2-85ee-e5294b23e11b@sonic.net>
	<B35E4BFC-4B6C-4388-B2E9-B8296465A330@major-k.de>
	<1e092528-70e1-b810-04b2-79979bcc0213@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <5A7FDBB7-F1C1-4172-AD9D-0B544E2A5797@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Am 27.07.2018 um 19:11 schrieb Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> On 07/27/2018 09:48 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Sorry, I meant if the machine is currently connected to the internet.
>> And if an URL actually does exist = "valid".
> So an active ethernet connection won't do the trick.
> And a valid address won't work either.
> I don't know of any way to validate that an address outside your local subnet exists other than trying to connect to it.

too bad, thanks for the clarification!

So back to trying to load GOOGLE and checking for an error...

> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From stephen at barncard.com  Fri Jul 27 13:24:10 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:24:10 -0700
Subject: OT: Looking for a new programming language?
In-Reply-To: <467fed03-392b-95d8-6776-e4d56869a038@sonic.net>
References: <467fed03-392b-95d8-6776-e4d56869a038@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHKRk1w1w_bg_C8+2LKOwYEEj3gtgLnwFPVvZWB22go7dA@mail.gmail.com>

No! Not another name change!
I still remember Runtime Revolution

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 09:52 Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> "But why?
> Mainly because if we make Rockstar a real (and completely pointless)
> programming language, then recruiters and hiring managers won't be able
> to talk about 'rockstar developers' any more."
>
> https://boingboing.net/2018/07/25/hello-cleveland-world.html
> https://github.com/dylanbeattie/rockstar
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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mixstream.org


From davros at bellaliant.net  Fri Jul 27 13:47:02 2018
From: davros at bellaliant.net (John McKenzie)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 14:47:02 -0300
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
References: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
	<e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
Message-ID: <20180727144702.4d39a484@poseidon>


 Tom, thank you for welcoming me. Much different than some online
programming groups. :-)


 Brian and Tom thank you for your replies about my Android data
persistence problem. An SQLite database seems like extreme overkill but
I will give it a try if it is needed to get the app to work. Does this
require me to pre-install any sort of database software?

 Brian, I gathered from your post that the only way to work with a text
file as data storage on Android is to save every time a field is
changed? How would I do this in such a way that it knows to save when
"1421" is typed as a time of day as opposed to the app trying to save
it after "1" is typed, then again when "2" is typed, etc. Or perhaps
there is no way and I have to re-save every time a character it typed.


  I am super duper busy this week, especially this weekend. Will really
get back to the problem in earnest next week.




From brahma at hindu.org  Fri Jul 27 13:48:07 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:48:07 +0000
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
References: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <29FDCD0C-63BE-4939-8AAC-5C08D179D221@hindu.org>

I just went through  this in my app. Like Mark said, you do need to connect to "something"

I put a "ping.txt" on the server. It has one word "true".  Apple does the same thing. Though they call it something else  "serviceAvailable" or something like that and it has one word in it "available"

===
But with TSNet you can just "ping" for the url you are trying  get. By using tsNetHeadSync, you don't have to down load the whole file. It will return headers.

 It is very fast, so with so much music and online links books  and youTube videos, with users going in and out of wi-fi, they forgot their phone on airport mode etc.  There is no way of knowing the user context. 

So I just implemented this in one of my main backscripts and call it *every* time when try to connect. Turn out the was easy them expected. I only take a few millisecond to get status. Charles did say that tsNetHeadSync was probably the best way to go.

=========
function checkURLAvailable pSelectedURL     
 put  tsNetHeadSync(pSelectedURL, tSentHeaders, tResult, tBytes)  into tHeaders  # into tHeaders
  
   ## get url pSelectedURL
   if  (tResult < 400) then
      return true
   else
      internetConnectionDown
      return false
   end if
end checkURLAvailable

command internetConnectionDown
   dialog_CustomMsg "Offline or Low Bandwidth"
   exit top
end internetConnectionDown
========

If you don't have 

a) a ping 
b) you want test without a URL

Just use  "https://www.google.com"

function checkURLAvailable "https://www.google.com"

 put  tsNetHeadSync(pSelectedURL, tSentHeaders, tResult, tBytes)  into tHeaders  
  
   ## get url pSelectedURL header

   if  (tResult < 400) then
      return true
   else
      return false
   end if
end checkURLAvailable

if Google down, so is the whole internet. (smile)

Almond cheese, please.

BR


?On 7/26/18, 4:40 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Klaus major-k via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    can we possibly "mis-"use tsNet somehow to check if the 
    current machine has a valid internet connection? 
    And to check if a given URL is valid?


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 27 13:52:06 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 19:52:06 +0200
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <20180727144702.4d39a484@poseidon>
References: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
	<e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
	<20180727144702.4d39a484@poseidon>
Message-ID: <3300437E-513E-4669-B35A-1AEFF0ED54DB@major-k.de>

Hi John,

> Am 27.07.2018 um 19:47 schrieb John McKenzie via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Tom, thank you for welcoming me. Much different than some online
> programming groups. :-)
> 
> Brian and Tom thank you for your replies about my Android data
> persistence problem. An SQLite database seems like extreme overkill but
> I will give it a try if it is needed to get the app to work. Does this
> require me to pre-install any sort of database software?

nope, unlike batteries, everything is included in LC! :-)

> Brian, I gathered from your post that the only way to work with a text
> file as data storage on Android is to save every time a field is
> changed? How would I do this in such a way that it knows to save when
> "1421" is typed as a time of day as opposed to the app trying to save
> it after "1" is typed, then again when "2" is typed, etc. Or perhaps
> there is no way and I have to re-save every time a character it typed.

Save "on closefield", means when the user has finished typing and "leaves" the field.

>  I am super duper busy this week, especially this weekend. Will really
> get back to the problem in earnest next week.

Whatever... :-)


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 27 13:53:42 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:53:42 -0700
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <B35E4BFC-4B6C-4388-B2E9-B8296465A330@major-k.de>
References: <B35E4BFC-4B6C-4388-B2E9-B8296465A330@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <79b2b55d-6d57-9025-a5c7-a37f960fd002@fourthworld.com>

Klaus wrote:

 >> Define "valid"...
 >
 > Sorry, I meant if the machine is currently connected to the internet.
 > And if an URL actually does exist = "valid".

Assuming the protocol in question is HTTP/S, a request to a non-existent 
resource should return "404" in the error string provided in "the 
result".   If "the result" is empty the resource was retrieved as expected.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 27 13:54:54 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 19:54:54 +0200
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <29FDCD0C-63BE-4939-8AAC-5C08D179D221@hindu.org>
References: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
	<29FDCD0C-63BE-4939-8AAC-5C08D179D221@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <F0786BFD-AB54-4411-BCEB-7FA53A106762@major-k.de>

Hi Swami,

> Am 27.07.2018 um 19:48 schrieb Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I just went through  this in my app. Like Mark said, you do need to connect to "something"
> I put a "ping.txt" on the server. It has one word "true".  Apple does the same thing. Though they call it something else  "serviceAvailable" or something like that and it has one word in it "available"

OK, that will work for your own server, but not in general.

> ===
> But with TSNet you can just "ping" for the url you are trying  get. By using tsNetHeadSync, you don't have to down load the whole file. It will return headers.
> 
> It is very fast, so with so much music and online links books  and youTube videos, with users going in and out of wi-fi, they forgot their phone on airport mode etc.  There is no way of knowing the user context. 
> 
> So I just implemented this in one of my main backscripts and call it *every* time when try to connect. Turn out the was easy them expected. I only take a few millisecond to get status. Charles did say that tsNetHeadSync was probably the best way to go.
> 
> =========
> function checkURLAvailable pSelectedURL     
> put  tsNetHeadSync(pSelectedURL, tSentHeaders, tResult, tBytes)  into tHeaders  # into tHeaders
> 
>   ## get url pSelectedURL
>   if  (tResult < 400) then
>      return true
>   else
>      internetConnectionDown
>      return false
>   end if
> end checkURLAvailable
> 
> command internetConnectionDown
>   dialog_CustomMsg "Offline or Low Bandwidth"
>   exit top
> end internetConnectionDown
> ========
> 
> If you don't have 
> 
> a) a ping 
> b) you want test without a URL
> 
> Just use  "https://www.google.com"
> 
> function checkURLAvailable "https://www.google.com"
> 
> put  tsNetHeadSync(pSelectedURL, tSentHeaders, tResult, tBytes)  into tHeaders  
> 
>   ## get url pSelectedURL header
> 
>   if  (tResult < 400) then
>      return true
>   else
>      return false
>   end if
> end checkURLAvailable
> 
> if Google down, so is the whole internet. (smile)
> 
> Almond cheese, please.

:-D

Cool, thanks a lot for thi info!
Please tell Mark W. about it, too! 8-)

> BR
> 
> ?On 7/26/18, 4:40 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Klaus major-k via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>    can we possibly "mis-"use tsNet somehow to check if the 
>    current machine has a valid internet connection? 
>    And to check if a given URL is valid?

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 27 13:56:39 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 19:56:39 +0200
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <79b2b55d-6d57-9025-a5c7-a37f960fd002@fourthworld.com>
References: <B35E4BFC-4B6C-4388-B2E9-B8296465A330@major-k.de>
	<79b2b55d-6d57-9025-a5c7-a37f960fd002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D5EDDE28-5EAB-4C96-9AE6-B592E5B7908C@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Am 27.07.2018 um 19:53 schrieb Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Klaus wrote:
> >> Define "valid"...
> >
> > Sorry, I meant if the machine is currently connected to the internet.
> > And if an URL actually does exist = "valid".
> Assuming the protocol in question is HTTP/S,

yes.

> a request to a non-existent resource should return "404" in the error string provided in "the result".  
> If "the result" is empty the resource was retrieved as expected.

I treid with a non-existing url and got:
tsneterr: (6) Could not resolve host: www.ghghgtztztuoouummmb.com

No 404, but it is OK for me!

> -- 
> Richard Gaskin

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 27 14:12:07 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 11:12:07 -0700
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <20180727144702.4d39a484@poseidon>
References: <20180727144702.4d39a484@poseidon>
Message-ID: <c316f5f9-0c03-bd37-e9cf-5a074b066273@fourthworld.com>

John McKenzie wrote:

 > An SQLite database seems like extreme overkill but I will give it
 > a try if it is needed to get the app to work.

SQLite is very feature-rich, but if you don't need the relationality 
provided by a full-featured RDBMS it can be like swatting flies with a 
grenade launcher.

Persistence can be provided by any format that can be written to disk. 
You may be surprised by how many programs use simple flat text files. 
And in LC, arrays are easy and efficient to work with, and can be 
serialized to disk with arrayEncode (resulting in files I affectionately 
call "LSON", a LiveCode-optimized alternative to the 
JavaScript-optimized JSON).

Indeed, many who use an RDBMS write code to return the result of queries 
in the form of an LC array.  If you don't need the relationality, and if 
your data is of a size that fits comfortably in RAM, using an array 
directly is about as simple as it can be.

If your data does not fit comfortably in RAM, you may find that breaking 
it into multiple LSON files can work quite nicely.


 > Does this require me to pre-install any sort of database software?

Selecting the SQLite driver in the Standalone Build should be all that's 
needed.


 >  Brian, I gathered from your post that the only way to work with a
 > text file as data storage on Android is to save every time a field
 > is changed? How would I do this in such a way that it knows to save
 > when "1421" is typed as a time of day as opposed to the app trying
 > to save it after "1" is typed, then again when "2" is typed, etc.
 > Or perhaps there is no way and I have to re-save every time a
 > character it typed.

Finding appropriate auto-save triggers is the third hard thing in 
computing (the first two being cache invalidation and naming things <g>).

Saving on every keystroke may be overkill. Saving on closeField may 
suffice when the contents of each field do not contain much data.  If 
you have a long field in which a user may spend significant time, you 
may consider a periodic timer for saving as a middle path between 
closeField and textChanged.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From brahma at hindu.org  Fri Jul 27 14:35:21 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 18:35:21 +0000
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
References: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
Message-ID: <3BEB85EC-18D4-4446-8AEE-436292E86482@hindu.org>

Welcome John!

You will need this, I would endorse Tom's arrayEncode.  

If you have not: Learn to array code RIGHT NOW, before going further with Livecode. I resisted array for years, and it bought me a boat load of silly coding of text files. And 100 of lines of unnecessary code.... then I  are learned about arrays. I broke my head of the desk.. saying "oh wow is me!.... I have could have saved thousand of hours and lines of codes if use arrays from the beginning!" (ha)

  (rough draft code)


Local sTempParamArray # may good to save a local, 

Command saveTempParams

		Put fld "fuelNeed" into  pTempParamArray["fuelNeeded'} 
		Put fld "timeToArrival" into  pTempParamArray["timeToArrival""
		# etc.
		Put pTempParamArray into sTempParamArray
		storeTempParams pTempParamArray

End saveTempParams

command storeTempParams pTempParamArray 

	put   specialFolderPath("documents") & "/tempSavedParams" into  tSavedPath
	put sTempParamArray into url ("binfile:" & tSavedPath)

end storeTempParams

# you will have some trigger get them back, I don't know what that would be:

Function getTempSavedParams

	Put   specialFolderPath("documents") & "/tempSavedParams" into  tSavedPath
	put url ("binfile:" & tSavedPath) into pTempParamArray
	put pTempParamArray into sTempParamArray
	return pTempParamArray

end getTempSavedParams

command reLoadSettings

 	put getTempSavesParams() into pLastParams
	put pLastParams["fuelNeeded"] into # whatever
	put pLastParams["timeToArrival"] into # whatever
	# etc.

End reLoadSettings

# code is a little verbose but easy to debug later.
# other wizards can improve on my baby xTalk
 
BR 

?On 7/23/18, 11:57 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of John McKenzie via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    What I need help with is the issue of persistence. 


From davros at bellaliant.net  Fri Jul 27 14:37:56 2018
From: davros at bellaliant.net (John McKenzie)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 15:37:56 -0300
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
References: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
	<e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
Message-ID: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>


 Thanks for the extra comments everyone. Glad my thought process was
correct, databse is overkill, saving every text change is too much,
etc, etc.

 As I said I will not be able to really do anything until next week.

 Thanks for mentioning the closeField command guys. I will check it
out, but the name sounds like it explains it, loose focus on the field,
field is closed, handling activated.

 Because I like word play I might make my own text file format, the
"Extended Livecode Optimized Serialized Object Notation" format or
ELSON. It adds just enough features to LSON to make identical to JSON.
Being stupid and redundant it will be the hot new buzzword in the
computing industry.


 Using arrays intigues me, especially if I can just keep it in RAM (It
is a small amount of data for sure).

 Thanks for your continued help everyone. Off to super busy weekend
planning and working on an event for Sunday. Will update you/ask
follow-ups next week.






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 27 15:17:34 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 12:17:34 -0700
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
Message-ID: <4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>

John McKenzie wrote:
 >  Because I like word play I might make my own text file format, the
 > "Extended Livecode Optimized Serialized Object Notation" format or
 > ELSON. It adds just enough features to LSON to make identical to JSON.
 > Being stupid and redundant it will be the hot new buzzword in the
 > computing industry.

Buzzwords are important.  If you don't use enough of them you'll never 
find adequate funding. :)


 >  Using arrays intigues me, especially if I can just keep it in RAM (It
 > is a small amount of data for sure).

One great thing about LC's built-in support for arrays is that it's 
built-in.

JSON has become used in so many other languages that we've forgotten why 
it was invented:  to serialize JavaScript objects as simply and 
efficiently as possible using features already built into the JavaScript 
interpreter.

LSON is that for us, as much a with-the-grain approach to data handling 
in LiveCode as JSON is for JavaScript.

ELSON and any number of other variants can be fun, but what will you do 
with the deserialized native form as you work with it in your program? 
If that native form is an array, there may be no need to do anything 
more than what LC already gives us straight out of the box.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 27 15:26:06 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 12:26:06 -0700
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <3BEB85EC-18D4-4446-8AEE-436292E86482@hindu.org>
References: <3BEB85EC-18D4-4446-8AEE-436292E86482@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <b2b2c45e-f635-50ee-49ca-9c965f83b215@fourthworld.com>

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

 >   (rough draft code)
 >
 > Local sTempParamArray # may good to save a local,
 >
 > Command saveTempParams
 >
 > 		Put fld "fuelNeed" into  pTempParamArray["fuelNeeded'}
 > 		Put fld "timeToArrival" into  pTempParamArray["timeToArrival""
 > 		# etc.
 > 		Put pTempParamArray into sTempParamArray
 > 		storeTempParams pTempParamArray
 >
 > End saveTempParams
 >
 > command storeTempParams pTempParamArray
 >
 > 	put   specialFolderPath("documents") & "/tempSavedParams" into 
tSavedPath
 > 	put sTempParamArray into url ("binfile:" & tSavedPath)
 >
 > end storeTempParams

A good outline, but missing a key step:  arrays are collections of 
pointers and in their native form are not a contiguous bytestream, so 
attempting to write one to disk directly with yield an empty file.

This is where serialization comes in, collecting all the disparate 
pointer contents and packing them into a bytestream that can be saved or 
transported, using arrayEncode:

command storeTempParams pTempParamArray
   put specialFolderPath("documents") & "/tempSavedParams" into \
      tSavedPath
   put arrayEncode(sTempParamArray) into url ("binfile:" & tSavedPath)
end storeTempParams


And because arrayDecode will throw a fatal error if you attempt to use 
it with anything other than actual LSON data, we can't just check "the 
result" afterward; better to wrap it in a try/catch:

Function getTempSavedParams
   Put specialFolderPath("documents") & "/tempSavedParams" into \
      tSavedPath
   put url ("binfile:" & tSavedPath) into pTempParamArray
   -- Always check I/O for errors:
   if the result is empty then
      return "Error in getTempSavedParams: "& the result for error
    end if
    -- Try as LSON:
    try
      put arrayDecode(pTempParamArray) into pTempParamArray
    catch tErr
      return "Not a valid array file: "& tSavedPath for error
    end try
    --
    return pTempParamArray
end getTempSavedParams


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 27 15:52:59 2018
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:52:59 +0100
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>

On 27/07/2018 20:17, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

>
> >? Using arrays intigues me, especially if I can just keep it in RAM (It
> > is a small amount of data for sure).
>
> One great thing about LC's built-in support for arrays is that it's 
> built-in.
>
> JSON has become used in so many other languages that we've forgotten 
> why it was invented:? to serialize JavaScript objects as simply and 
> efficiently as possible using features already built into the 
> JavaScript interpreter.
>
> LSON is that for us, as much a with-the-grain approach to data 
> handling in LiveCode as JSON is for JavaScript.
I just wish there was a human-readable, human-editable-in-a-text-editor 
variant of LSON :-)

Someday, when I have some spare time, ...

-- Alex.





From brahma at hindu.org  Fri Jul 27 16:18:06 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:18:06 +0000
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <b2b2c45e-f635-50ee-49ca-9c965f83b215@fourthworld.com>
References: <3BEB85EC-18D4-4446-8AEE-436292E86482@hindu.org>
	<b2b2c45e-f635-50ee-49ca-9c965f83b215@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4CCA99B8-7768-4276-9748-000D1A4F54A4@hindu.org>

Richard Gaskin 
    This is where serialization comes in, collecting all the disparate 
    pointer contents and packing them into a bytestream that can be saved or 
    transported, using arrayEncode:

Ha! I knew that would bring out something useful... thanks for upgrading the handlers.

Richard wrote " If that native form is an array, there may be no need to do anything
more than what LC already gives us straight out of the box."

I have been toying with this for some time, but like Alex said..

"I just wish there was a human-readable, human-editable-in-a-text-editor
variant of LSON :-)"

Keeps me in JSON

BR



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 27 17:38:53 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 16:38:53 -0500
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <20180727144702.4d39a484@poseidon>
References: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
	<e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
	<20180727144702.4d39a484@poseidon>
Message-ID: <778aff21-2686-91eb-92a0-dd08638cfc48@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/27/18 12:47 PM, John McKenzie via use-livecode wrote:
>   Tom, thank you for welcoming me. Much different than some online
> programming groups. :-)

We love new users, it's more brains for the collective. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 27 17:56:01 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 21:56:01 +0000
Subject: ANN: *** targetSdkVersion requirements Android ***
In-Reply-To: <4c658ccb3baf22f46269775913947241@livecode.com>
References: <005701d42494$d0f03570$72d0a050$@solidit.nl>
	<F6C67475-A5F6-4011-8E17-DD299ECE5FBC@gmail.com>
	<4c658ccb3baf22f46269775913947241@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <F9588ACC-E168-4964-B0C4-0C6228F7AD68@iotecdigital.com>

Another regression I noticed is that I am back to red dot breakpoints clearing after a script save/compile. The dots are there but the script does not break. Unsetting and resetting causes the debugger to break again. 

Bob S


> On Jul 27, 2018, at 09:13 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 2018-07-26 06:02, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> One problem this may introduce is that from Android 6 onwards you?re
>> expected to only ask permission to use features at the time the user
>> reaches that part of your app, like it has always been on iOS. I wrote
>> about publishing to Android before Android 6, I?m not sure how that
>> gets handled. Are there features in LiveCode to cover the difficulty
>> of asking for permission at runtime instead of when the app is
>> installed?
> 
> 9.0.1-rc-1 changes the engine to build against the appropriate minimum now so
> we are almost there.
> 
> However, we had noticed the above - admittedly due to a regression in 9.0.1-rc-1 with
> regards to the camera - so we have (well Panos) has been working hard to
> resolve that.


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 17:58:47 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 15:58:47 -0600
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <778aff21-2686-91eb-92a0-dd08638cfc48@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
	<e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
	<20180727144702.4d39a484@poseidon>
	<778aff21-2686-91eb-92a0-dd08638cfc48@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpkrT_Gf3XR60CPoGBHCu53hw6v1q=sUYrAfBNgqCigAg@mail.gmail.com>

Your Braiiiinssss. will be assimilated. (borg zombies FTW)

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 3:39 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 7/27/18 12:47 PM, John McKenzie via use-livecode wrote:
> >   Tom, thank you for welcoming me. Much different than some online
> > programming groups. :-)
>
> We love new users, it's more brains for the collective. :)
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 27 18:06:21 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 22:06:21 +0000
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <79b2b55d-6d57-9025-a5c7-a37f960fd002@fourthworld.com>
References: <B35E4BFC-4B6C-4388-B2E9-B8296465A330@major-k.de>
	<79b2b55d-6d57-9025-a5c7-a37f960fd002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <75A18E15-B4B4-4C19-B662-9EA664CE0A2B@iotecdigital.com>

And don't forget my telnet technique. Telnet will tell you if there is a basic connection without "actually" connecting with a protocol of any sort. So it doesn't suffer from any of the built in timeouts that web protocols must have to work properly. 

Bob S


> On Jul 27, 2018, at 10:53 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Klaus wrote:
> 
> >> Define "valid"...
> >
> > Sorry, I meant if the machine is currently connected to the internet.
> > And if an URL actually does exist = "valid".
> 
> Assuming the protocol in question is HTTP/S, a request to a non-existent resource should return "404" in the error string provided in "the result".   If "the result" is empty the resource was retrieved as expected.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 27 18:10:47 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 22:10:47 +0000
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
	<dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>

I tried reading an "LSON" format, but it's not straight forward. It's easier to simply arrayDecode the LSON and work with the array. And since you can convert the array to a memory sqLite database and back again with my handy dandy handlers, everybody wins! 

Bob S


> On Jul 27, 2018, at 12:52 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 27/07/2018 20:17, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> 
>> >  Using arrays intigues me, especially if I can just keep it in RAM (It
>> > is a small amount of data for sure).
>> 
>> One great thing about LC's built-in support for arrays is that it's built-in.
>> 
>> JSON has become used in so many other languages that we've forgotten why it was invented:  to serialize JavaScript objects as simply and efficiently as possible using features already built into the JavaScript interpreter.
>> 
>> LSON is that for us, as much a with-the-grain approach to data handling in LiveCode as JSON is for JavaScript.
> I just wish there was a human-readable, human-editable-in-a-text-editor variant of LSON :-)
> 
> Someday, when I have some spare time, ...
> 
> -- Alex.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 27 18:13:02 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:13:02 -0500
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <b2b2c45e-f635-50ee-49ca-9c965f83b215@fourthworld.com>
References: <3BEB85EC-18D4-4446-8AEE-436292E86482@hindu.org>
	<b2b2c45e-f635-50ee-49ca-9c965f83b215@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4d57d14c-9413-f577-c35a-06ecd51dcd53@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/27/18 2:26 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> if the result is empty then
>  ? return "Error in getTempSavedParams: "& the result for error
> end if

I believe you had a thinko: "not empty", yes?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 18:19:54 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 16:19:54 -0600
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
	<dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
	<25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>

On the subject of sqLite/memory databases and preferences/data persistence,
rather than using an array, and doing the encode/decode stuff, would it
make sense to do the following..
1. open an empty in memory database
2. attach a disk based database
3. copy the required table(s) from disk base to memory base

At this point, for data reads you have a super fast sqlite in memory
database.  For updates, do a double update, both in memory, and disk.

It seems like this would be more efficient than re-encoding an array every
time there is an update and writing the whole thing out to disk each time,
rather than updating just whatever small change might need to be made to
sqlite.

The affects and requirements would be similar. Update the array, (1 update)
ecode and write to disk (second update)  vs update in mem sqlite, and
update attached sqlite database.

Does my thinking make sense?

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:11 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I tried reading an "LSON" format, but it's not straight forward. It's
> easier to simply arrayDecode the LSON and work with the array. And since
> you can convert the array to a memory sqLite database and back again with
> my handy dandy handlers, everybody wins!
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 27, 2018, at 12:52 , Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 27/07/2018 20:17, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> >  Using arrays intigues me, especially if I can just keep it in RAM (It
> >> > is a small amount of data for sure).
> >>
> >> One great thing about LC's built-in support for arrays is that it's
> built-in.
> >>
> >> JSON has become used in so many other languages that we've forgotten
> why it was invented:  to serialize JavaScript objects as simply and
> efficiently as possible using features already built into the JavaScript
> interpreter.
> >>
> >> LSON is that for us, as much a with-the-grain approach to data handling
> in LiveCode as JSON is for JavaScript.
> > I just wish there was a human-readable, human-editable-in-a-text-editor
> variant of LSON :-)
> >
> > Someday, when I have some spare time, ...
> >
> > -- Alex.
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 27 18:40:25 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 15:40:25 -0700
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
References: <dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <c1e968d5-9324-ad26-1752-3d75a0a9ef4c@fourthworld.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:

> On 27/07/2018 20:17, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> >  Using arrays intigues me, especially if I can just keep it in RAM (It
>> > is a small amount of data for sure).
>>
>> One great thing about LC's built-in support for arrays is that it's 
>> built-in.
>>
>> JSON has become used in so many other languages that we've forgotten 
>> why it was invented:  to serialize JavaScript objects as simply and 
>> efficiently as possible using features already built into the 
>> JavaScript interpreter.
>>
>> LSON is that for us, as much a with-the-grain approach to data 
>> handling in LiveCode as JSON is for JavaScript.
> I just wish there was a human-readable, human-editable-in-a-text-editor 
> variant of LSON :-)

True, LSON is even closer to BSON ("Binary JSON") than JSON itself, with 
all the machine-parsing efficiencies inherent in a binary format.

The world wanted a human-readable/writable form of JSON too, so YAML was 
invented. :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 27 18:43:39 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 15:43:39 -0700
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <4CCA99B8-7768-4276-9748-000D1A4F54A4@hindu.org>
References: <4CCA99B8-7768-4276-9748-000D1A4F54A4@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <ce4b01aa-d37d-6723-f1e0-c907baf28921@fourthworld.com>

Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote:

 > Richard wrote " If that native form is an array, there may be no need
 > to do anything more than what LC already gives us straight out of the
 > box."
 >
 > I have been toying with this for some time, but like Alex said..
 >
 > "I just wish there was a human-readable, human-editable-in-a-text-
 > editor variant of LSON :-)"
 >
 > Keeps me in JSON

How often do you hand-edit array data?

Even JSON was found too cumbersome for efficient human reading/writing, 
so YAML came along to fill that gap where human editing of raw data is a 
priority.

One of the great things about computing in the 21st century is that we 
have so many options to choose from, selecting the best fit for the 
balance of human editing vs runtime efficiency as a given project requires.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 27 18:44:17 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 15:44:17 -0700
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <29FDCD0C-63BE-4939-8AAC-5C08D179D221@hindu.org>
References: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
	<29FDCD0C-63BE-4939-8AAC-5C08D179D221@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <0045a8f7-17ce-68c6-c1a3-b46c660d823a@sonic.net>

On 07/27/2018 10:48 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:

>     if  (tResult < 400) then
>        return true
>     else
>        return false
>     end if

I'd be a little wary of that "< 400" result though. You may (or may not) 
want to follow redirects, and if you get a 418 you may want a cuppa <g>.

and due to the extra hops involved, I probably wouldn't try for 
"https://www.google.com". DNS resolution will add tens to over a hundred 
milliseconds to a web command, so if you're going to go that route 
instead of opening a socket I'd go straight to "http://8.8.8.8:53".

curl -v --trace-time 8.8.8.8:53
20 milliseconds

curl -v --trace-time www.google.com
50 milliseconds

But otherwise, yes... there is no way of checking for the internet 
without connecting to the internet.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From brian at milby7.com  Fri Jul 27 18:45:26 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:45:26 -0500
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <c1e968d5-9324-ad26-1752-3d75a0a9ef4c@fourthworld.com>
References: <dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
	<c1e968d5-9324-ad26-1752-3d75a0a9ef4c@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZ6ZaJ0aDT2HAN-WEkxP2+dTt1zs3_cFAF=1tKbYe+ZqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Use case is a major driver though.  If you have no need to hand edit a
file, then LSON is an efficient and easy way to store the data.  It also
has the benefit of being able to easily store binary data if needed.

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 5:40 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
> On 27/07/2018 20:17, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> >  Using arrays intigues me, especially if I can just keep it in RAM (It
>>> > is a small amount of data for sure).
>>>
>>> One great thing about LC's built-in support for arrays is that it's
>>> built-in.
>>>
>>> JSON has become used in so many other languages that we've forgotten why
>>> it was invented:  to serialize JavaScript objects as simply and efficiently
>>> as possible using features already built into the JavaScript interpreter.
>>>
>>> LSON is that for us, as much a with-the-grain approach to data handling
>>> in LiveCode as JSON is for JavaScript.
>>>
>> I just wish there was a human-readable, human-editable-in-a-text-editor
>> variant of LSON :-)
>>
>
> True, LSON is even closer to BSON ("Binary JSON") than JSON itself, with
> all the machine-parsing efficiencies inherent in a binary format.
>
> The world wanted a human-readable/writable form of JSON too, so YAML was
> invented. :)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 27 18:45:35 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 15:45:35 -0700
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <4d57d14c-9413-f577-c35a-06ecd51dcd53@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4d57d14c-9413-f577-c35a-06ecd51dcd53@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3aaef6bd-b546-f793-a8d2-15f7a0275918@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
 > On 7/27/18 2:26 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
 >> if the result is empty then
 >>    return "Error in getTempSavedParams: "& the result for error
 >> end if
 >
 > I believe you had a thinko: "not empty", yes?

Indeed I did - thanks.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 27 18:47:05 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 15:47:05 -0700
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
References: <25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <042f7be2-56ae-2c58-f624-6dbb5408905e@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > I tried reading an "LSON" format, but it's not straight forward. It's
 > easier to simply arrayDecode the LSON and work with the array.

I think there's a misunderstanding here:  LSON *is* the standard LC 
encoded array.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 27 18:55:22 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 15:55:22 -0700
Subject: ANN: *** targetSdkVersion requirements Android ***
In-Reply-To: <4c658ccb3baf22f46269775913947241@livecode.com>
References: <005701d42494$d0f03570$72d0a050$@solidit.nl>
	<F6C67475-A5F6-4011-8E17-DD299ECE5FBC@gmail.com>
	<4c658ccb3baf22f46269775913947241@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <9bc07476-1c84-6afe-88ba-f41397ba00eb@sonic.net>

On 07/27/2018 09:13 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

> P.S. We could look into doing something similar with iOS with regards 
> explicitly
> being able to ask for permission for things - in a similar way proposed 
> above. If
> people feel there is a need for it, please file an enhancement request 
> and we'll
> see what we can do. (At the moment we propose to add an 
> androidRequestPermission
> command - but we could add an iphone one too at some point, and then 
> perhaps a
> cross-platform one which tries to do its best to map the permission 
> groups on android
> to the similar things on iOS).
> 

Q: Why would it not make sense to add a mobileRequestPermission command 
instead at this point and have it work on Android now with the option of 
also having it work on iOS later on? This rather than two different 
commands and *then* later on make a cross-platform one? If necessary for 
engine code compartmentalization there could be two non-exported 
commands for the different platforms and only export the mobile one.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 27 18:56:44 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 15:56:44 -0700
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpkrT_Gf3XR60CPoGBHCu53hw6v1q=sUYrAfBNgqCigAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
	<e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
	<20180727144702.4d39a484@poseidon>
	<778aff21-2686-91eb-92a0-dd08638cfc48@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSpkrT_Gf3XR60CPoGBHCu53hw6v1q=sUYrAfBNgqCigAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c43c16a6-5ab3-b2bd-121b-7cb2f9ed61bc@sonic.net>

On 07/27/2018 02:58 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> Your Braiiiinssss. will be assimilated. (borg zombies FTW)

Yes. More brains please.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 27 19:09:02 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 16:09:02 -0700
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4951d19c-d12b-71a8-5a59-6403dcdcd505@fourthworld.com>

Mike Bonner wrote:

 > On the subject of sqLite/memory databases and preferences/data
 > persistence, rather than using an array, and doing the encode/decode
 > stuff, would it make sense to do the following..
 > 1. open an empty in memory database
 > 2. attach a disk based database
 > 3. copy the required table(s) from disk base to memory base
 >
 > At this point, for data reads you have a super fast sqlite in memory
 > database.  For updates, do a double update, both in memory, and disk.

Whether using LC-native LSON or going through the externals interface to 
manage the SQLite RDBMS, getting any data from disk always has 
tradeoffs, sometimes favoring one method over another.

ArrayEncode is a single function call, so it's not like it's onerous to use.

SQLite's b-tree is a good one, so while the steps needed internally to 
traverse it are vastly more complex than the steps needed to traverse an 
array's hash, both are handled in machine-compiled C so it's not a big 
deal either way.

This reiterates the point I'd made earlier:
 > It seems like this would be more efficient than re-encoding an array
 > every time there is an update and writing the whole thing out to disk
 > each time, rather than updating just whatever small change might need
 > to be made to sqlite.

This is the upside of an RDBMS's complex b-tree: disk paging.  As I'd 
written earlier, if the data size is large enough that LC's machine-code 
serialization is slower than SQLite's SQL parsing + machine-code b-tree 
traversal, then SQLite would be the winner in that instance where raw 
performance may offset the additional requirement mixing SQL scripting 
with LC Script, and of no longer having a completely self-contained EXE 
(only Mac embeds externals and drivers within the bundle; Win and Linux 
at that point require use of an installer to install the multiple parts 
where the standalone can find them and the user won't mess with them).

You'd be surprised how fast LC is for many things, though. I've written 
routines using flat files that were able to do simple queries in LC 
Script about 20% faster than SQLite.

But even there, it's about project requirement.  If you need richer 
querying relying on relationality, nothing scripted in LC will come 
close in raw performance to the well-honed relational engine in SQLite.

But also, remember that the file system itself is a b-tree-based storage 
system, well optimized for general use, automatically ACID (in journaled 
file systems), and super easy to use.  Clustering as with Canela's 
LiveCloud DB, or even as separate file per document/record, can be quite 
efficient for some needs.

SQLite is a wonderful toolkit.  But with so many ways to store, 
retrieve, and work with data, we can pick and choose for the task at hand.

At a certain point, discussions about "SQL vs <your favorite non-SQL 
solution here>" are too similar to those of the NoSQL world last decade 
when those started taking off.  None of the many passionate arguments 
have managed to rid the world of MongoDB, CouchDB, Neo4J, or any other 
non-SQL storage system, nor have they displaced the valuable role of a 
good RDBMS where relationality is needed.  We have more options today 
than ever before, so we can pick whatever gets the job done.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From mark at livecode.com  Fri Jul 27 19:12:34 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 00:12:34 +0100
Subject: ANN: *** targetSdkVersion requirements Android ***
In-Reply-To: <9bc07476-1c84-6afe-88ba-f41397ba00eb@sonic.net>
References: <005701d42494$d0f03570$72d0a050$@solidit.nl>
	<F6C67475-A5F6-4011-8E17-DD299ECE5FBC@gmail.com>
	<4c658ccb3baf22f46269775913947241@livecode.com>
	<9bc07476-1c84-6afe-88ba-f41397ba00eb@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <912B15AD-BACA-407C-A499-D2A208BFE0B1@livecode.com>

Because before you can have a cross platform anything (which is tied to specific OS features) you need the things to call which perform the appropriate action on the individual platforms.

The patterns for 'getting user consent' on android and iOS are similar (because they are both about 'getting user consent') but not identical.

The immediate issue is android so we implement that now.

It may or may not be useful on iOS - that is yet to be determined.

If it is then we add iphoneRequestPermission...

And then mobileRequestPermission can be an LCS handler which maps whatever universal permission groups exist from universal names to platform specific names.

The bit which must be in a lower level language at present goes in the engine - the bit which doesn't need to be, goes in LCS.

Platform dependent stuff has to be done from the bottom up to have any chance of being correct (essentially) - and it's better to expose the lower level features that build cross platform support and build the cross platform aspect in a language where iteration to get it right is far far easier (i.e. LCS). [ And, indeed more accessible to anyone who knows LCS ].

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. Given that requesting user permissions is a UI interaction the overhead of LCS here is entirely irrelevant.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Jul 2018, at 23:55, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 07/27/2018 09:13 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>> P.S. We could look into doing something similar with iOS with regards explicitly
>> being able to ask for permission for things - in a similar way proposed above. If
>> people feel there is a need for it, please file an enhancement request and we'll
>> see what we can do. (At the moment we propose to add an androidRequestPermission
>> command - but we could add an iphone one too at some point, and then perhaps a
>> cross-platform one which tries to do its best to map the permission groups on android
>> to the similar things on iOS).
> 
> Q: Why would it not make sense to add a mobileRequestPermission command instead at this point and have it work on Android now with the option of also having it work on iOS later on? This rather than two different commands and *then* later on make a cross-platform one? If necessary for engine code compartmentalization there could be two non-exported commands for the different platforms and only export the mobile one.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jul 27 20:21:34 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 17:21:34 -0700
Subject: ANN: *** targetSdkVersion requirements Android ***
In-Reply-To: <912B15AD-BACA-407C-A499-D2A208BFE0B1@livecode.com>
References: <005701d42494$d0f03570$72d0a050$@solidit.nl>
	<F6C67475-A5F6-4011-8E17-DD299ECE5FBC@gmail.com>
	<4c658ccb3baf22f46269775913947241@livecode.com>
	<9bc07476-1c84-6afe-88ba-f41397ba00eb@sonic.net>
	<912B15AD-BACA-407C-A499-D2A208BFE0B1@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <b110937d-df36-c5e5-a324-a81a875d6bb3@sonic.net>

On 07/27/2018 04:12 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> Because before you can have a cross platform anything (which is tied to specific OS features) you need the things to call which perform the appropriate action on the individual platforms.

Not necessarily. I often stub out functions and then flesh them out as I 
go. I realize you're going to do it your way anyway, just was curious 
about the reasoning. No worries.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From brahma at hindu.org  Fri Jul 27 22:11:51 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 02:11:51 +0000
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <0045a8f7-17ce-68c6-c1a3-b46c660d823a@sonic.net>
References: <594AB363-89EA-4C84-BF42-5AD370ADE36E@major-k.de>
	<29FDCD0C-63BE-4939-8AAC-5C08D179D221@hindu.org>
	<0045a8f7-17ce-68c6-c1a3-b46c660d823a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <0093CB4B-138F-4950-B066-156C15AC3D2B@hindu.org>

Well the use case differences are obvious, but to say the obvious

I am connecting with

a) our own server
b) YouTube

that?s it. 

AND I want to know if the URL in the app is correct (silly typo in a JSON in the app OR misfiled media on out server...etc), so I would always to get the header of the actual media being called. We can traps errors, send to the MotherShip the URL that failed and fix it... etc.

That different from (Klaus's ?) "am I connected or not"

BR

?On 7/27/18, 12:44 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Mark Wieder via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    >     if  (tResult < 400) then
    >        return true
    >     else
    >        return false
    >     end if
    
    I'd be a little wary of that "< 400" result though. You may (or may not) 
    want to follow redirects, and if you get a 418 you may want a cuppa <g>.
    
    and due to the extra hops involved, I probably wouldn't try for 
    "https://www.google.com". DNS resolution will add tens to over a hundred 
    milliseconds to a web command, so if you're going to go that route 
    instead of opening a socket I'd go straight to "http://8.8.8.8:53".
    
    curl -v --trace-time 8.8.8.8:53
    20 milliseconds
    
    curl -v --trace-time www.google.com
    50 milliseconds
    
    But otherwise, yes... there is no way of checking for the internet 
    without connecting to the internet.


From monte at appisle.net  Fri Jul 27 22:18:09 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 12:18:09 +1000
Subject: OT: Looking for a new programming language?
In-Reply-To: <467fed03-392b-95d8-6776-e4d56869a038@sonic.net>
References: <467fed03-392b-95d8-6776-e4d56869a038@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <BB3065C1-AC80-4293-95F3-1CC60F6E842D@appisle.net>

Ahaha? are you doing the LiveCode implementation?

> On 28 Jul 2018, at 2:51 am, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> "But why?
> Mainly because if we make Rockstar a real (and completely pointless) programming language, then recruiters and hiring managers won't be able to talk about 'rockstar developers' any more."
> 
> https://boingboing.net/2018/07/25/hello-cleveland-world.html
> https://github.com/dylanbeattie/rockstar
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From stephen at barncard.com  Fri Jul 27 23:05:52 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 20:05:52 -0700
Subject: OT: Looking for a new programming language?
In-Reply-To: <BB3065C1-AC80-4293-95F3-1CC60F6E842D@appisle.net>
References: <467fed03-392b-95d8-6776-e4d56869a038@sonic.net>
	<BB3065C1-AC80-4293-95F3-1CC60F6E842D@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJsjmio60YAOyMaVK322fffJcdVnkiUo3piskt8on+YTA@mail.gmail.com>

And does that violate the terms of service!?

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 19:18 Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Ahaha? are you doing the LiveCode implementation?
>
> > On 28 Jul 2018, at 2:51 am, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "But why?
> > Mainly because if we make Rockstar a real (and completely pointless)
> programming language, then recruiters and hiring managers won't be able to
> talk about 'rockstar developers' any more."
> >
> > https://boingboing.net/2018/07/25/hello-cleveland-world.html
> > https://github.com/dylanbeattie/rockstar
> >
> > --
> > Mark Wieder
> > ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >
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From keith.clarke at me.com  Sat Jul 28 06:39:03 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 11:39:03 +0100
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
Message-ID: <C4D9D601-0D14-48DD-8B88-290C9B1F3822@me.com>

Hi Folks,
Is anyone running LS Server on CentOS 6? 
I notice that only version 7 is officially supported and not being a Linux expert, I?d like to know if this server OS would need to be upgraded before attempting anything with LC server on it.
TIA
Keith


From dougr at telus.net  Sat Jul 28 12:42:32 2018
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas Ruisaard)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 09:42:32 -0700
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
Message-ID: <0f6601d42691$fc85af40$f5910dc0$@net>

Bob...

Wondering if you would post the windows-version of this technique again... or copy it to this forum, ideally?

The dropbox entry I can find is expired.


>  Subject: Re: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
>
> And don't forget my telnet technique. Telnet will tell you if there is a basic connection without "actually" connecting with a 
> protocol of any sort. So it doesn't suffer from any of the built in timeouts that web protocols must have to work properly. 

> Bob S


Douglas Ruisaard
Trilogy Software
(250) 573-3935






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 28 14:14:13 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 11:14:13 -0700
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
In-Reply-To: <C4D9D601-0D14-48DD-8B88-290C9B1F3822@me.com>
References: <C4D9D601-0D14-48DD-8B88-290C9B1F3822@me.com>
Message-ID: <0c1bb7e6-650c-2efd-c154-82e351b69334@fourthworld.com>

Keith Clarke wrote:

 > Is anyone running LS Server on CentOS 6?
 > I notice that only version 7 is officially supported and not being a
 > Linux expert, I?d like to know if this server OS would need to be
 > upgraded before attempting anything with LC server on it.

"Officially Supported" only designates the distros the LC core dev team 
is dedicated to testing on and maintaining for.  The others are 
community supported, and since LC's requirements are so light it 
generally works on most modern distros.

Give it a whirl and let us know how it goes.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bob at bobhall.net  Sat Jul 28 15:06:09 2018
From: bob at bobhall.net (bob at bobhall.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 15:06:09 -0400
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <0f6601d42691$fc85af40$f5910dc0$@net>
References: <0f6601d42691$fc85af40$f5910dc0$@net>
Message-ID: <046621D4-CC94-49C9-88D1-441C4891DB69@bobhall.net>

A little late to the respond on this but I?d send a HTTP HEAD request. You will get a 200 response back with no data if you have an http connection to the url you specify. You could use your own server to send the request to but it is common to use a well known service such as google to send the HEAD request to also.

The Liveocde lesson at the link below shows how you can send a DELETE request using tsNetCustomSync. You?ll have to modify the script slightly to work for the HEAD request.

http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/856543-how-to-send-a-custom-http-request-using-the-tsnet-external <http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/l/856543-how-to-send-a-custom-http-request-using-the-tsnet-external>

Bob Hall

> On Jul 28, 2018, at 12:42 PM, Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob...
> 
> Wondering if you would post the windows-version of this technique again... or copy it to this forum, ideally?
> 
> The dropbox entry I can find is expired.
> 
> 
>> Subject: Re: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
>> 
>> And don't forget my telnet technique. Telnet will tell you if there is a basic connection without "actually" connecting with a 
>> protocol of any sort. So it doesn't suffer from any of the built in timeouts that web protocols must have to work properly. 
> 
>> Bob S
> 
> 
> Douglas Ruisaard
> Trilogy Software
> (250) 573-3935
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sat Jul 28 16:41:09 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 16:41:09 -0400
Subject: Problem saving image for file
Message-ID: <D6065D05-ED6B-42A5-A73C-CCC9DCF7087B@madmansoft.com>

Hi All,

Been a long time since I?ve done file work with LC, but I?m having an issue saving an image to a file:

# set the defaultFolder to the folder containing the stackfile

set the itemDelimiter to slash

get the effective filename of this stack

set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of it

put tTempCrop into URL "binfile:/tempMedia/testimage.jpg"


results in a ?Can?t open file? error.

Trying to save to a folder called ?tempMedia? that is in the same directory as the stack.

Mac OS 10.12.6, 9.01 RC1 Business.

TIA,

Steve MacLean

From brahma at hindu.org  Sat Jul 28 17:37:27 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 21:37:27 +0000
Subject: Failed to Build iOS Versions in 9.0.1 RC1
Message-ID: <19D7F2BE-81B9-414F-999E-C5A13B59C0AA@hindu.org>

1) Since working with 9.0.1. RC1 I have not been able to get a home screen icon to show.  I get something generic... Everything is set in the SA settings?

Well, I kept on with development, saying "I'll worry about the icon later" 

Then today I added some devices to my Apple Developer Profile and downloaded the new provisioning profile. 

Nothing has changed (that I can see).

Now I am getting a new error..

=======
Unable to build for device : codesigning failed with
/private/var/folders/t8 snip]/SivaSiva.app:errSecInternalComponent.

OK
+++++++++++

So I took a look at the /private folder .... went digging ...it did not fine the error. But I do find

tmp.12344.OXz0SohK
   / AppIcon.appiconset
		Contents.json
		Icon-App-57x57 at 1x.png
		Icon-App-57x57 at 2x.png
		Icon-App-60x60 at 2x.png
		Icon-App-60x60 at 3x.png
		Icon-App-72x72 at 1x.png
		Icon-App-72x72 at 2x.png
		Icon-App-76x76 at 1x.png
		Icon-App-76x76 at 2x.png
		Icon-App-83.5x83.5 at 2x.png
		ItunesArtwork at 2x.png

I really don't know if the latest error on iOS build is related or not... but something myterious in going on?

I can see what so many developers opt out of building for iOS are all!  Too much pain with Apple...

BR


From bogdanoff at me.com  Sat Jul 28 17:37:59 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 14:37:59 -0700
Subject: Problem saving image for file
In-Reply-To: <D6065D05-ED6B-42A5-A73C-CCC9DCF7087B@madmansoft.com>
References: <D6065D05-ED6B-42A5-A73C-CCC9DCF7087B@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <669A7555-7F99-4B7D-B869-15DBB5A4A91F@me.com>

Hi,

Try using this syntax:
export image "tImage"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as JPEG

I think you need binfile to read but not to write.
Peter


> On Jul 28, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Been a long time since I?ve done file work with LC, but I?m having an issue saving an image to a file:
> 
> # set the defaultFolder to the folder containing the stackfile
> 
> set the itemDelimiter to slash
> 
> get the effective filename of this stack
> 
> set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of it
> 
> put tTempCrop into URL "binfile:/tempMedia/testimage.jpg"
> 
> 
> results in a ?Can?t open file? error.
> 
> Trying to save to a folder called ?tempMedia? that is in the same directory as the stack.
> 
> Mac OS 10.12.6, 9.01 RC1 Business.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Steve MacLean
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Sat Jul 28 17:39:58 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 14:39:58 -0700
Subject: Problem saving image for file
In-Reply-To: <669A7555-7F99-4B7D-B869-15DBB5A4A91F@me.com>
References: <D6065D05-ED6B-42A5-A73C-CCC9DCF7087B@madmansoft.com>
	<669A7555-7F99-4B7D-B869-15DBB5A4A91F@me.com>
Message-ID: <93258E4B-B377-4476-BDE3-452EAE45861D@me.com>

That is (or use variables for the filename):
> export image "testimage.jpg"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as JPEG




> On Jul 28, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Try using this syntax:
> export image "tImage"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as JPEG
> 
> I think you need binfile to read but not to write.
> Peter
> 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Been a long time since I?ve done file work with LC, but I?m having an issue saving an image to a file:
>> 
>> # set the defaultFolder to the folder containing the stackfile
>> 
>> set the itemDelimiter to slash
>> 
>> get the effective filename of this stack
>> 
>> set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of it
>> 
>> put tTempCrop into URL "binfile:/tempMedia/testimage.jpg"
>> 
>> 
>> results in a ?Can?t open file? error.
>> 
>> Trying to save to a folder called ?tempMedia? that is in the same directory as the stack.
>> 
>> Mac OS 10.12.6, 9.01 RC1 Business.
>> 
>> TIA,
>> 
>> Steve MacLean
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 17:52:07 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 15:52:07 -0600
Subject: Problem saving image for file
In-Reply-To: <93258E4B-B377-4476-BDE3-452EAE45861D@me.com>
References: <D6065D05-ED6B-42A5-A73C-CCC9DCF7087B@madmansoft.com>
	<669A7555-7F99-4B7D-B869-15DBB5A4A91F@me.com>
	<93258E4B-B377-4476-BDE3-452EAE45861D@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSq9k+w=rLfmw_geKRiLCbUV-vX5pfY0AQY8FQPtTaDiSg@mail.gmail.com>

If you use the path /tempMedia.... that forces it to the root of the
filesystem and if there isn't a folder /tempmedia, it'll fail.  Either
leave off the preceding slash, or prepend it with a . <--(a dot) which
designates the current directory.

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:40 PM Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That is (or use variables for the filename):
> > export image "testimage.jpg"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as JPEG
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Try using this syntax:
> > export image "tImage"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as JPEG
> >
> > I think you need binfile to read but not to write.
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Been a long time since I?ve done file work with LC, but I?m having an
> issue saving an image to a file:
> >>
> >> # set the defaultFolder to the folder containing the stackfile
> >>
> >> set the itemDelimiter to slash
> >>
> >> get the effective filename of this stack
> >>
> >> set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of it
> >>
> >> put tTempCrop into URL "binfile:/tempMedia/testimage.jpg"
> >>
> >>
> >> results in a ?Can?t open file? error.
> >>
> >> Trying to save to a folder called ?tempMedia? that is in the same
> directory as the stack.
> >>
> >> Mac OS 10.12.6, 9.01 RC1 Business.
> >>
> >> TIA,
> >>
> >> Steve MacLean
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Sat Jul 28 17:56:25 2018
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Pi Digital)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 22:56:25 +0100
Subject: Problem saving image for file
In-Reply-To: <D6065D05-ED6B-42A5-A73C-CCC9DCF7087B@madmansoft.com>
References: <D6065D05-ED6B-42A5-A73C-CCC9DCF7087B@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <1B73EEA1-4D5D-46B6-AA39-F34F47449C7F@pidigital.co.uk>

Hi Steve

First, a quick way to the stack or standalone folder is specialfolderpath(?resources?). 

Check that your folders permissions are ok. 

export snapshot from rect 0,0,100,100 of this card to url ("binfile:"&specialFolderPath("resources")&"/Pic.jpg") as JPEG

See if this helps when using your put tTempCrop into url(). 

> On 28 Jul 2018, at 21:41, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Been a long time since I?ve done file work with LC, but I?m having an issue saving an image to a file:
> 
> # set the defaultFolder to the folder containing the stackfile
> 
> set the itemDelimiter to slash
> 
> get the effective filename of this stack
> 
> set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of it
> 
> put tTempCrop into URL "binfile:/tempMedia/testimage.jpg"
> 
> 
> results in a ?Can?t open file? error.
> 
> Trying to save to a folder called ?tempMedia? that is in the same directory as the stack.
> 
> Mac OS 10.12.6, 9.01 RC1 Business.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Steve MacLean
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sat Jul 28 22:44:35 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 22:44:35 -0400
Subject: Problem saving image for file
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSq9k+w=rLfmw_geKRiLCbUV-vX5pfY0AQY8FQPtTaDiSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D6065D05-ED6B-42A5-A73C-CCC9DCF7087B@madmansoft.com>
	<669A7555-7F99-4B7D-B869-15DBB5A4A91F@me.com>
	<93258E4B-B377-4476-BDE3-452EAE45861D@me.com>
	<CAG1cpSq9k+w=rLfmw_geKRiLCbUV-vX5pfY0AQY8FQPtTaDiSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53E35BFE-CFBD-49AF-BCE4-F6996306C7DB@madmansoft.com>

Thank you to all who replied! 

Adding the ?.? solved the problem and the file saved where it was supposed to.

Confusing, because you would think that setting the defaultFolder would allow you to specify the next sub folder like I did? and it?s not mentioned, that I saw, in the docs.

Thanks again!

Steve

> On Jul 28, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> If you use the path /tempMedia.... that forces it to the root of the
> filesystem and if there isn't a folder /tempmedia, it'll fail.  Either
> leave off the preceding slash, or prepend it with a . <--(a dot) which
> designates the current directory.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:40 PM Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> That is (or use variables for the filename):
>>> export image "testimage.jpg"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as JPEG
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Try using this syntax:
>>> export image "tImage"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as JPEG
>>> 
>>> I think you need binfile to read but not to write.
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> Been a long time since I?ve done file work with LC, but I?m having an
>> issue saving an image to a file:
>>>> 
>>>> # set the defaultFolder to the folder containing the stackfile
>>>> 
>>>> set the itemDelimiter to slash
>>>> 
>>>> get the effective filename of this stack
>>>> 
>>>> set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of it
>>>> 
>>>> put tTempCrop into URL "binfile:/tempMedia/testimage.jpg"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> results in a ?Can?t open file? error.
>>>> 
>>>> Trying to save to a folder called ?tempMedia? that is in the same
>> directory as the stack.
>>>> 
>>>> Mac OS 10.12.6, 9.01 RC1 Business.
>>>> 
>>>> TIA,
>>>> 
>>>> Steve MacLean
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 23:02:05 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 21:02:05 -0600
Subject: Problem saving image for file
In-Reply-To: <53E35BFE-CFBD-49AF-BCE4-F6996306C7DB@madmansoft.com>
References: <D6065D05-ED6B-42A5-A73C-CCC9DCF7087B@madmansoft.com>
	<669A7555-7F99-4B7D-B869-15DBB5A4A91F@me.com>
	<93258E4B-B377-4476-BDE3-452EAE45861D@me.com>
	<CAG1cpSq9k+w=rLfmw_geKRiLCbUV-vX5pfY0AQY8FQPtTaDiSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53E35BFE-CFBD-49AF-BCE4-F6996306C7DB@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpYQqM0DvuZh8nSbBjxOno4hXoCAKbo63qDYZFUV_24xg@mail.gmail.com>

It's just how file systems work.  If the beginning character is / that
means it starts at the root of the file system.  Since you had already set
the defaultfolder, and wanted to go relative to there, you would just
specify the folder name/filename.  Or as I said, pre-pend a dot.   In fact,
2 dots .. stands for the next folder towards the root so you can do weird
things like dir ../../..  which will list the contents of a folder 3 levels
above the current.

You also don't need to actually set the defaultfolder, you could do as in
your example...

set the itemDelimiter to slash
get the effective filename of this stack
put tTempCrop into URL "binfile:" & item 1 to - 2 of it &
"/tempMedia/testimage.jpg"

In the case of the above you DO need the slash before tempMedia because
there is no trailing slash when you get item 1 to -2 of it.  But, item 1 to
-2 of it is a path starting from the root so you end up with an absolute
path rather than a relative path.  IE it would be something like
/home/username/desktop/mystackfolder/tempMedia/testimage.jpg



On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 8:45 PM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thank you to all who replied!
>
> Adding the ?.? solved the problem and the file saved where it was supposed
> to.
>
> Confusing, because you would think that setting the defaultFolder would
> allow you to specify the next sub folder like I did? and it?s not
> mentioned, that I saw, in the docs.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Steve
>
> > On Jul 28, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you use the path /tempMedia.... that forces it to the root of the
> > filesystem and if there isn't a folder /tempmedia, it'll fail.  Either
> > leave off the preceding slash, or prepend it with a . <--(a dot) which
> > designates the current directory.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:40 PM Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That is (or use variables for the filename):
> >>> export image "testimage.jpg"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as
> JPEG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Try using this syntax:
> >>> export image "tImage"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as JPEG
> >>>
> >>> I think you need binfile to read but not to write.
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Been a long time since I?ve done file work with LC, but I?m having an
> >> issue saving an image to a file:
> >>>>
> >>>> # set the defaultFolder to the folder containing the stackfile
> >>>>
> >>>> set the itemDelimiter to slash
> >>>>
> >>>> get the effective filename of this stack
> >>>>
> >>>> set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of it
> >>>>
> >>>> put tTempCrop into URL "binfile:/tempMedia/testimage.jpg"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> results in a ?Can?t open file? error.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trying to save to a folder called ?tempMedia? that is in the same
> >> directory as the stack.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mac OS 10.12.6, 9.01 RC1 Business.
> >>>>
> >>>> TIA,
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve MacLean
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sat Jul 28 23:12:30 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 23:12:30 -0400
Subject: Problem saving image for file
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpYQqM0DvuZh8nSbBjxOno4hXoCAKbo63qDYZFUV_24xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D6065D05-ED6B-42A5-A73C-CCC9DCF7087B@madmansoft.com>
	<669A7555-7F99-4B7D-B869-15DBB5A4A91F@me.com>
	<93258E4B-B377-4476-BDE3-452EAE45861D@me.com>
	<CAG1cpSq9k+w=rLfmw_geKRiLCbUV-vX5pfY0AQY8FQPtTaDiSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53E35BFE-CFBD-49AF-BCE4-F6996306C7DB@madmansoft.com>
	<CAG1cpSpYQqM0DvuZh8nSbBjxOno4hXoCAKbo63qDYZFUV_24xg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6340EDE6-875C-410E-BE0D-FE5FE77E6361@madmansoft.com>

Thanks Mike, I like your code, cleaner, smaller and easier to understand.

And thanks for the explanation? I get it:)

Again, thanks to all who responded!


> On Jul 28, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It's just how file systems work.  If the beginning character is / that
> means it starts at the root of the file system.  Since you had already set
> the defaultfolder, and wanted to go relative to there, you would just
> specify the folder name/filename.  Or as I said, pre-pend a dot.   In fact,
> 2 dots .. stands for the next folder towards the root so you can do weird
> things like dir ../../..  which will list the contents of a folder 3 levels
> above the current.
> 
> You also don't need to actually set the defaultfolder, you could do as in
> your example...
> 
> set the itemDelimiter to slash
> get the effective filename of this stack
> put tTempCrop into URL "binfile:" & item 1 to - 2 of it &
> "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg"
> 
> In the case of the above you DO need the slash before tempMedia because
> there is no trailing slash when you get item 1 to -2 of it.  But, item 1 to
> -2 of it is a path starting from the root so you end up with an absolute
> path rather than a relative path.  IE it would be something like
> /home/username/desktop/mystackfolder/tempMedia/testimage.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 8:45 PM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you to all who replied!
>> 
>> Adding the ?.? solved the problem and the file saved where it was supposed
>> to.
>> 
>> Confusing, because you would think that setting the defaultFolder would
>> allow you to specify the next sub folder like I did? and it?s not
>> mentioned, that I saw, in the docs.
>> 
>> Thanks again!
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 5:52 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you use the path /tempMedia.... that forces it to the root of the
>>> filesystem and if there isn't a folder /tempmedia, it'll fail.  Either
>>> leave off the preceding slash, or prepend it with a . <--(a dot) which
>>> designates the current directory.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 3:40 PM Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That is (or use variables for the filename):
>>>>> export image "testimage.jpg"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as
>> JPEG
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Try using this syntax:
>>>>> export image "tImage"  to file "/tempMedia/testimage.jpg" as JPEG
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think you need binfile to read but not to write.
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Been a long time since I?ve done file work with LC, but I?m having an
>>>> issue saving an image to a file:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> # set the defaultFolder to the folder containing the stackfile
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> set the itemDelimiter to slash
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> get the effective filename of this stack
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of it
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> put tTempCrop into URL "binfile:/tempMedia/testimage.jpg"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> results in a ?Can?t open file? error.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Trying to save to a folder called ?tempMedia? that is in the same
>>>> directory as the stack.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mac OS 10.12.6, 9.01 RC1 Business.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve MacLean
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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From warren at warrensweb.us  Sun Jul 29 03:06:14 2018
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 02:06:14 -0500
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
In-Reply-To: <C4D9D601-0D14-48DD-8B88-290C9B1F3822@me.com>
References: <C4D9D601-0D14-48DD-8B88-290C9B1F3822@me.com>
Message-ID: <01d3283a-6ffc-8976-536b-f24d9e0d6878@warrensweb.us>

On 07/28/2018 05:39 AM, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> Is anyone running LS Server on CentOS 6?
> I notice that only version 7 is officially supported and not being a Linux expert, I?d like to know if this server OS would need to be upgraded before attempting anything with LC server on it.
> TIA
> Keith

The release notes say glibc 2.13 or later is needed to run LC 8 and 9 in 
Linux. You can check the installed version in a shell locally, or using 
ssh on a remote machine, with this command:

          ldd --version

The first line it returns tells you the version. On my desktop it 
returns this, showing glibc is version 2.27:

ldd (GNU libc) 2.27
Copyright (C) 2018 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is 
NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR 
PURPOSE.
Written by Roland McGrath and Ulrich Drepper.

I have a CentOS 7 server running glibc 2.17 and LC server works there. 
It looks like CentOS 6 ships with 2.12 which won't work.

Good luck!

Warren



From keith.clarke at me.com  Sun Jul 29 06:28:08 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 11:28:08 +0100
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
In-Reply-To: <01d3283a-6ffc-8976-536b-f24d9e0d6878@warrensweb.us>
References: <C4D9D601-0D14-48DD-8B88-290C9B1F3822@me.com>
	<01d3283a-6ffc-8976-536b-f24d9e0d6878@warrensweb.us>
Message-ID: <CF45A90B-BA50-46BD-B7E8-FC15203A6946@me.com>

Thanks Warren (& Richard) - this probably is the blocker, as this particular VPS is definitely running 2.12

Google suggests that I can?t (or at least shouldn't attempt to) upgrade CentOS 6 with a later glibc version, given its central role.

Apparently there are workarounds to install an additional, later version of glibc - as an option, alongside the OS version - in such a way that it gets called session by session, when needed (i.e. for LC Server use). However, after failing to complete a couple of these, it's clear but that this is way beyond my Linux chops to sort.

So, it looks like server migration / rebuild will need to be on the critical path or it?s a dead-end for experimenting with LC Server for this particular project.

Thanks
Keith    

> On 29 Jul 2018, at 08:06, Warren Samples via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 07/28/2018 05:39 AM, Keith Clarke via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Folks,
>> Is anyone running LS Server on CentOS 6?
>> I notice that only version 7 is officially supported and not being a Linux expert, I?d like to know if this server OS would need to be upgraded before attempting anything with LC server on it.
>> TIA
>> Keith
> 
> The release notes say glibc 2.13 or later is needed to run LC 8 and 9 in Linux. You can check the installed version in a shell locally, or using ssh on a remote machine, with this command:
> 
>         ldd --version
> 
> The first line it returns tells you the version. On my desktop it returns this, showing glibc is version 2.27:
> 
> ldd (GNU libc) 2.27
> Copyright (C) 2018 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
> Written by Roland McGrath and Ulrich Drepper.
> 
> I have a CentOS 7 server running glibc 2.17 and LC server works there. It looks like CentOS 6 ships with 2.12 which won't work.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Warren
> 
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From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sun Jul 29 12:28:50 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 12:28:50 -0400
Subject: set the filename of image bug?
Message-ID: <DE3B933C-4A66-4F1A-B19C-0590A5913AF7@madmansoft.com>

Hi All,

I?m having an issue with the ?set the filename of img?.

This line:

set the filename of img "checkImg" of cd "cropImg" stack "imgEngine" to imgURL


Works as expected when using ?http?. When using ?https?, it fails to get the image. No error is returned, but the image is blank.

https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg <https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg> is the test image I?m using.


Don?t see any reports of issues, but wanted to know if anyone else has run into this.

Thanks,

Steve MacLean

From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Jul 29 12:34:05 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 18:34:05 +0200
Subject: set the filename of image bug?
In-Reply-To: <DE3B933C-4A66-4F1A-B19C-0590A5913AF7@madmansoft.com>
References: <DE3B933C-4A66-4F1A-B19C-0590A5913AF7@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <EC823A79-1E15-47E2-8858-FA273D365B17@major-k.de>

Hi Steve,

> Am 29.07.2018 um 18:28 schrieb Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I?m having an issue with the ?set the filename of img?.
> This line: set the filename of img "checkImg" of cd "cropImg" stack "imgEngine" to imgURL
> Works as expected when using ?http?. When using ?https?, it fails to get the image. No error is returned, but the image is blank.
> https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg <https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg> is the test image I?m using. Don?t see any reports of issues, but wanted to know if anyone else has run into this.

just tested, works right out of the box in the IDE, by setting the filename in the inspector and also via script!
macOS 10.13.6, LC 9

> Thanks,
> 
> Steve MacLean

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sun Jul 29 12:38:39 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 12:38:39 -0400
Subject: set the filename of image bug?
In-Reply-To: <EC823A79-1E15-47E2-8858-FA273D365B17@major-k.de>
References: <DE3B933C-4A66-4F1A-B19C-0590A5913AF7@madmansoft.com>
	<EC823A79-1E15-47E2-8858-FA273D365B17@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6D5B1668-1262-4496-B6DF-A5AF401F64CB@madmansoft.com>

HI Klaus,

Wow, ok? I will have to check 9.0.0. Currently using 9.0.1 RC1 on 10.12.6. It fails for me in both script and the inspector.

Thanks for testing!

Best,

Steve

> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
>> Am 29.07.2018 um 18:28 schrieb Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I?m having an issue with the ?set the filename of img?.
>> This line: set the filename of img "checkImg" of cd "cropImg" stack "imgEngine" to imgURL
>> Works as expected when using ?http?. When using ?https?, it fails to get the image. No error is returned, but the image is blank.
>> https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg <https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg> is the test image I?m using. Don?t see any reports of issues, but wanted to know if anyone else has run into this.
> 
> just tested, works right out of the box in the IDE, by setting the filename in the inspector and also via script!
> macOS 10.13.6, LC 9
> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Steve MacLean
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 13:00:35 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 11:00:35 -0600
Subject: set the filename of image bug?
In-Reply-To: <6D5B1668-1262-4496-B6DF-A5AF401F64CB@madmansoft.com>
References: <DE3B933C-4A66-4F1A-B19C-0590A5913AF7@madmansoft.com>
	<EC823A79-1E15-47E2-8858-FA273D365B17@major-k.de>
	<6D5B1668-1262-4496-B6DF-A5AF401F64CB@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpDUkFriszPM6qjU4-8TvoxGhGeNaHfnvNtEpstOoji1w@mail.gmail.com>

If it works for Klaus, and fails for you, it makes me wonder if something
has gotten munged in the imgUrl variable.

You might try putting an "answer imgUrl" (or use the variable inspector) to
confirm that everything looks right.

(worked fine for me too)

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 10:39 AM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> HI Klaus,
>
> Wow, ok? I will have to check 9.0.0. Currently using 9.0.1 RC1 on 10.12.6.
> It fails for me in both script and the inspector.
>
> Thanks for testing!
>
> Best,
>
> Steve
>
> > On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> >> Am 29.07.2018 um 18:28 schrieb Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I?m having an issue with the ?set the filename of img?.
> >> This line: set the filename of img "checkImg" of cd "cropImg" stack
> "imgEngine" to imgURL
> >> Works as expected when using ?http?. When using ?https?, it fails to
> get the image. No error is returned, but the image is blank.
> >>
> https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg
> <
> https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg>
> is the test image I?m using. Don?t see any reports of issues, but wanted to
> know if anyone else has run into this.
> >
> > just tested, works right out of the box in the IDE, by setting the
> filename in the inspector and also via script!
> > macOS 10.13.6, LC 9
> >
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Steve MacLean
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Klaus
> >
> > --
> > Klaus Major
> > http://www.major-k.de
> > klaus at major-k.de
> >
> >
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From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sun Jul 29 13:03:00 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 13:03:00 -0400
Subject: set the filename of image bug?
In-Reply-To: <6D5B1668-1262-4496-B6DF-A5AF401F64CB@madmansoft.com>
References: <DE3B933C-4A66-4F1A-B19C-0590A5913AF7@madmansoft.com>
	<EC823A79-1E15-47E2-8858-FA273D365B17@major-k.de>
	<6D5B1668-1262-4496-B6DF-A5AF401F64CB@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <39338564-4C3E-4A44-AA4D-7B1A3658BC5B@madmansoft.com>

Ok, very strange? I created a test project to run in both 9.0.1 RC1 and 9.0.0? and it works fine, yet doesn?t work in the image that I have in my engine stack in either version.

Even renaming the old one and dragging a new image out and trying that doesn?t work. Ugh!

I?m at a loss.

I?m running business in case that matters.

Thanks,

Steve

> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> HI Klaus,
> 
> Wow, ok? I will have to check 9.0.0. Currently using 9.0.1 RC1 on 10.12.6. It fails for me in both script and the inspector.
> 
> Thanks for testing!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Steve
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Steve,
>> 
>>> Am 29.07.2018 um 18:28 schrieb Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I?m having an issue with the ?set the filename of img?.
>>> This line: set the filename of img "checkImg" of cd "cropImg" stack "imgEngine" to imgURL
>>> Works as expected when using ?http?. When using ?https?, it fails to get the image. No error is returned, but the image is blank.
>>> https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg <https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg> is the test image I?m using. Don?t see any reports of issues, but wanted to know if anyone else has run into this.
>> 
>> just tested, works right out of the box in the IDE, by setting the filename in the inspector and also via script!
>> macOS 10.13.6, LC 9
>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Steve MacLean
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> --
>> Klaus Major
>> http://www.major-k.de
>> klaus at major-k.de
>> 
>> 
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From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sun Jul 29 13:24:39 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 13:24:39 -0400
Subject: set the filename of image bug?
In-Reply-To: <39338564-4C3E-4A44-AA4D-7B1A3658BC5B@madmansoft.com>
References: <DE3B933C-4A66-4F1A-B19C-0590A5913AF7@madmansoft.com>
	<EC823A79-1E15-47E2-8858-FA273D365B17@major-k.de>
	<6D5B1668-1262-4496-B6DF-A5AF401F64CB@madmansoft.com>
	<39338564-4C3E-4A44-AA4D-7B1A3658BC5B@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <E5A71FCE-0EAB-4D50-A2D3-382E64AC88E6@madmansoft.com>

Some other weirdness i?m noticing? When I copied a new image to that card, it gave it a very high numbered ID that corresponded with one of the icons in the image library.

I think I?m dealing with some kind of corruption here.

I?m going to rebuild this and give that a try. Thankfully it?s mostly script with just a few cards and graphics for doing things.

> On Jul 29, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, very strange? I created a test project to run in both 9.0.1 RC1 and 9.0.0? and it works fine, yet doesn?t work in the image that I have in my engine stack in either version.
> 
> Even renaming the old one and dragging a new image out and trying that doesn?t work. Ugh!
> 
> I?m at a loss.
> 
> I?m running business in case that matters.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> HI Klaus,
>> 
>> Wow, ok? I will have to check 9.0.0. Currently using 9.0.1 RC1 on 10.12.6. It fails for me in both script and the inspector.
>> 
>> Thanks for testing!
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Steve,
>>> 
>>>> Am 29.07.2018 um 18:28 schrieb Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> I?m having an issue with the ?set the filename of img?.
>>>> This line: set the filename of img "checkImg" of cd "cropImg" stack "imgEngine" to imgURL
>>>> Works as expected when using ?http?. When using ?https?, it fails to get the image. No error is returned, but the image is blank.
>>>> https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg <https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg> is the test image I?m using. Don?t see any reports of issues, but wanted to know if anyone else has run into this.
>>> 
>>> just tested, works right out of the box in the IDE, by setting the filename in the inspector and also via script!
>>> macOS 10.13.6, LC 9
>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Steve MacLean
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Klaus
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Klaus Major
>>> http://www.major-k.de
>>> klaus at major-k.de
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 13:28:49 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 11:28:49 -0600
Subject: set the filename of image bug?
In-Reply-To: <E5A71FCE-0EAB-4D50-A2D3-382E64AC88E6@madmansoft.com>
References: <DE3B933C-4A66-4F1A-B19C-0590A5913AF7@madmansoft.com>
	<EC823A79-1E15-47E2-8858-FA273D365B17@major-k.de>
	<6D5B1668-1262-4496-B6DF-A5AF401F64CB@madmansoft.com>
	<39338564-4C3E-4A44-AA4D-7B1A3658BC5B@madmansoft.com>
	<E5A71FCE-0EAB-4D50-A2D3-382E64AC88E6@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrya2TPwi543qSHf4mup5qHe=SK7iR1DYxE6FNrFKncUg@mail.gmail.com>

If you think the stack is corrupted, you might send it to
support at livecode.com so they can look at it, and/or post a bug report and
include the stack there so that it can be looked at. (assuming there is
nothing sensitive in the stack)

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 11:24 AM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Some other weirdness i?m noticing? When I copied a new image to that card,
> it gave it a very high numbered ID that corresponded with one of the icons
> in the image library.
>
> I think I?m dealing with some kind of corruption here.
>
> I?m going to rebuild this and give that a try. Thankfully it?s mostly
> script with just a few cards and graphics for doing things.
>
> > On Jul 29, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, very strange? I created a test project to run in both 9.0.1 RC1 and
> 9.0.0? and it works fine, yet doesn?t work in the image that I have in my
> engine stack in either version.
> >
> > Even renaming the old one and dragging a new image out and trying that
> doesn?t work. Ugh!
> >
> > I?m at a loss.
> >
> > I?m running business in case that matters.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> HI Klaus,
> >>
> >> Wow, ok? I will have to check 9.0.0. Currently using 9.0.1 RC1 on
> 10.12.6. It fails for me in both script and the inspector.
> >>
> >> Thanks for testing!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Steve,
> >>>
> >>>> Am 29.07.2018 um 18:28 schrieb Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>> I?m having an issue with the ?set the filename of img?.
> >>>> This line: set the filename of img "checkImg" of cd "cropImg" stack
> "imgEngine" to imgURL
> >>>> Works as expected when using ?http?. When using ?https?, it fails to
> get the image. No error is returned, but the image is blank.
> >>>>
> https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg
> <
> https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg>
> is the test image I?m using. Don?t see any reports of issues, but wanted to
> know if anyone else has run into this.
> >>>
> >>> just tested, works right out of the box in the IDE, by setting the
> filename in the inspector and also via script!
> >>> macOS 10.13.6, LC 9
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve MacLean
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> Klaus
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Klaus Major
> >>> http://www.major-k.de
> >>> klaus at major-k.de
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
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From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sun Jul 29 14:01:57 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 14:01:57 -0400
Subject: set the filename of image bug?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrya2TPwi543qSHf4mup5qHe=SK7iR1DYxE6FNrFKncUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DE3B933C-4A66-4F1A-B19C-0590A5913AF7@madmansoft.com>
	<EC823A79-1E15-47E2-8858-FA273D365B17@major-k.de>
	<6D5B1668-1262-4496-B6DF-A5AF401F64CB@madmansoft.com>
	<39338564-4C3E-4A44-AA4D-7B1A3658BC5B@madmansoft.com>
	<E5A71FCE-0EAB-4D50-A2D3-382E64AC88E6@madmansoft.com>
	<CAG1cpSrya2TPwi543qSHf4mup5qHe=SK7iR1DYxE6FNrFKncUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88B7793B-A598-4E56-BDDC-719828B8E79E@madmansoft.com>

Still more weirdness:

I removed the old sub-stack from my main stack, renamed it, saved it, quit LC and now it works fine.

Still, in the meantime, I?m rebuilding it from scratch and leaving outside the main stack, loading it as needed. If that goes well, I?ll do that for all my library stacks.

So I?m at a total loss here, nothing really to send now, I?m just scratching my head. I?ll play around with all this a bit more and see if I can re-create it. Otherwise I?ll just have to chalk it up some LC weirdness that I can?t reproduce.

Thanks again!

Steve

> On Jul 29, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> If you think the stack is corrupted, you might send it to
> support at livecode.com so they can look at it, and/or post a bug report and
> include the stack there so that it can be looked at. (assuming there is
> nothing sensitive in the stack)
> 
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 11:24 AM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Some other weirdness i?m noticing? When I copied a new image to that card,
>> it gave it a very high numbered ID that corresponded with one of the icons
>> in the image library.
>> 
>> I think I?m dealing with some kind of corruption here.
>> 
>> I?m going to rebuild this and give that a try. Thankfully it?s mostly
>> script with just a few cards and graphics for doing things.
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, very strange? I created a test project to run in both 9.0.1 RC1 and
>> 9.0.0? and it works fine, yet doesn?t work in the image that I have in my
>> engine stack in either version.
>>> 
>>> Even renaming the old one and dragging a new image out and trying that
>> doesn?t work. Ugh!
>>> 
>>> I?m at a loss.
>>> 
>>> I?m running business in case that matters.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> HI Klaus,
>>>> 
>>>> Wow, ok? I will have to check 9.0.0. Currently using 9.0.1 RC1 on
>> 10.12.6. It fails for me in both script and the inspector.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for testing!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Am 29.07.2018 um 18:28 schrieb Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I?m having an issue with the ?set the filename of img?.
>>>>>> This line: set the filename of img "checkImg" of cd "cropImg" stack
>> "imgEngine" to imgURL
>>>>>> Works as expected when using ?http?. When using ?https?, it fails to
>> get the image. No error is returned, but the image is blank.
>>>>>> 
>> https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg
>> <
>> https://pixfeeds.com/images/usa-travel/1280-589451788-statue-of-liberty-full-base.jpg>
>> is the test image I?m using. Don?t see any reports of issues, but wanted to
>> know if anyone else has run into this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> just tested, works right out of the box in the IDE, by setting the
>> filename in the inspector and also via script!
>>>>> macOS 10.13.6, LC 9
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Steve MacLean
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best
>>>>> 
>>>>> Klaus
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Klaus Major
>>>>> http://www.major-k.de
>>>>> klaus at major-k.de
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sun Jul 29 16:31:47 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 16:31:47 -0400
Subject: Local images and the browser widget
Message-ID: <70106D17-445B-4929-BC11-6DF3F057C9CA@madmansoft.com>

Almost afraid to ask this because I feel like it?s a path issue with Relative vs Absolute? Remote images display fine in a browser widget, but local image files don?t seem to.

This works (displays the image) in script and in the message box:
put "<img src=" & "http://www.trumbull-ct.gov/images/BoyScouts.jpg" & ">" into tHTML

set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML


This does not (Image not displayed) in script or the message box:
put "<img src=" & "file:///Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg" & ">" into tHTML

set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML


Sorry about bombarding the list!

Thanks,

Steve

From bogdanoff at me.com  Sun Jul 29 16:58:10 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 13:58:10 -0700
Subject: Local images and the browser widget
In-Reply-To: <70106D17-445B-4929-BC11-6DF3F057C9CA@madmansoft.com>
References: <70106D17-445B-4929-BC11-6DF3F057C9CA@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <65574836-5C2C-42CA-87FD-15921E0EE3E3@me.com>

It is very probably the file path.

Is:
ITB%20pubEngine <file:///Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg>
the actual name of the folder?

Peter


> On Jul 29, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg <file:///Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg>" & ">" into tHTML



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 17:03:24 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 15:03:24 -0600
Subject: Local images and the browser widget
In-Reply-To: <70106D17-445B-4929-BC11-6DF3F057C9CA@madmansoft.com>
References: <70106D17-445B-4929-BC11-6DF3F057C9CA@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpB8=Lwxx4pi1Qo1g7JVcyGQqYjfjQbpMH_0WotwGEUNw@mail.gmail.com>

If you just need to see the image, you can do it by changing your method..

Instead of setting the htmltext, it should work to set the url to  "
http://Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/99578
6d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"

I'm not expert, but I think there is some type of cross-domain security
thing interfering here.  A web page shouldn't be able to force access to a
file on your system due to security, unless the page originates with you.
And I THINK that directly setting the html basically means there is no base
domain, so it will refuse to show the image.  Again, not an expert, so i'm
just making a wag.
If you need more control, you can likely create an html file on the fly and
point your url to that, at which point you can use relative addressing for
your pictures.  So, if you created the html file with your code in the same
folder as your stack, you could then place.. <img src=tempMedia/ 99578
6d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg> into the file and it will likely work.

Another thing you might look into is running your own simple http server
(which LC now makes easy) so that you can set up a simple server and set
the url to http://localhost:8080/index.html  (or whatever port number you
wish, and again, use relative pathing.

Either of these 2 methods is easier than using long, easily mangled
absolute paths.   I haven't delved into the self run server yet, but I
suspect you can do interesting things with it. (Or use the old revhttpd
stack which I HAVE used, and know that it works really well and can do
awesome stuff too)



On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 2:32 PM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Almost afraid to ask this because I feel like it?s a path issue with
> Relative vs Absolute? Remote images display fine in a browser widget, but
> local image files don?t seem to.
>
> This works (displays the image) in script and in the message box:
> put "<img src=" & "http://www.trumbull-ct.gov/images/BoyScouts.jpg" & ">"
> into tHTML
>
> set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML
>
>
> This does not (Image not displayed) in script or the message box:
> put "<img src=" &
> "file:///Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"
> & ">" into tHTML
>
> set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML
>
>
> Sorry about bombarding the list!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 17:04:48 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 15:04:48 -0600
Subject: Local images and the browser widget
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpB8=Lwxx4pi1Qo1g7JVcyGQqYjfjQbpMH_0WotwGEUNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70106D17-445B-4929-BC11-6DF3F057C9CA@madmansoft.com>
	<CAG1cpSpB8=Lwxx4pi1Qo1g7JVcyGQqYjfjQbpMH_0WotwGEUNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSq8p2=rUDPOaS9EOyuzucyJ2WsrEz=hhkz5sdSAYPocyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, that should have been.. Set the url to   "file
:///Users/steve/Dropbox/I <http://users/steve/Dropbox/I>
TB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 3:03 PM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you just need to see the image, you can do it by changing your method..
>
> Instead of setting the htmltext, it should work to set the url to  "
> http://Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/99578
> 6d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"
>
> I'm not expert, but I think there is some type of cross-domain security
> thing interfering here.  A web page shouldn't be able to force access to a
> file on your system due to security, unless the page originates with you.
> And I THINK that directly setting the html basically means there is no base
> domain, so it will refuse to show the image.  Again, not an expert, so i'm
> just making a wag.
> If you need more control, you can likely create an html file on the fly
> and point your url to that, at which point you can use relative addressing
> for your pictures.  So, if you created the html file with your code in the
> same folder as your stack, you could then place.. <img src=tempMedia/
> 995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg> into the file and it will
> likely work.
>
> Another thing you might look into is running your own simple http server
> (which LC now makes easy) so that you can set up a simple server and set
> the url to http://localhost:8080/index.html  (or whatever port number you
> wish, and again, use relative pathing.
>
> Either of these 2 methods is easier than using long, easily mangled
> absolute paths.   I haven't delved into the self run server yet, but I
> suspect you can do interesting things with it. (Or use the old revhttpd
> stack which I HAVE used, and know that it works really well and can do
> awesome stuff too)
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 2:32 PM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Almost afraid to ask this because I feel like it?s a path issue with
>> Relative vs Absolute? Remote images display fine in a browser widget, but
>> local image files don?t seem to.
>>
>> This works (displays the image) in script and in the message box:
>> put "<img src=" & "http://www.trumbull-ct.gov/images/BoyScouts.jpg" &
>> ">" into tHTML
>>
>> set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML
>>
>>
>> This does not (Image not displayed) in script or the message box:
>> put "<img src=" &
>> "file:///Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"
>> & ">" into tHTML
>>
>> set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML
>>
>>
>> Sorry about bombarding the list!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>


From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sun Jul 29 17:06:03 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 17:06:03 -0400
Subject: Local images and the browser widget
In-Reply-To: <65574836-5C2C-42CA-87FD-15921E0EE3E3@me.com>
References: <70106D17-445B-4929-BC11-6DF3F057C9CA@madmansoft.com>
	<65574836-5C2C-42CA-87FD-15921E0EE3E3@me.com>
Message-ID: <F74E0F83-4254-4044-AE77-B0B6D6621260@madmansoft.com>

No, the Folder is "ITB pubEngine?. The %20 is an URL escape for a space.

I was trying to avoid the relative path problems by giving it an absolute path, but that doesn?t seem to work.

Best,
Steve

> On Jul 29, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It is very probably the file path.
> 
> Is:
> ITB%20pubEngine <file:///Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg>
> the actual name of the folder?
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg <file:///Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg>" & ">" into tHTML
> 
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From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sun Jul 29 17:20:53 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 17:20:53 -0400
Subject: Local images and the browser widget
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpB8=Lwxx4pi1Qo1g7JVcyGQqYjfjQbpMH_0WotwGEUNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70106D17-445B-4929-BC11-6DF3F057C9CA@madmansoft.com>
	<CAG1cpSpB8=Lwxx4pi1Qo1g7JVcyGQqYjfjQbpMH_0WotwGEUNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF542B7C-EDB4-43EC-BF08-C2AA23D054F6@madmansoft.com>

Thanks Mike, yes that does work for just displaying the image.

I?m building HTML on the fly and wanted to include the local image if there was one, for testing. This will be a moot point for production as everything will be served via a web server, but I was hoping to see this for testing.

I will be looking to the new http server LC has as I will need it anyway for doing some API things with this engine.

Thanks again to all!

Best,
Steve

> On Jul 29, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> If you just need to see the image, you can do it by changing your method..
> 
> Instead of setting the htmltext, it should work to set the url to  "
> http://Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/99578
> 6d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"
> 
> I'm not expert, but I think there is some type of cross-domain security
> thing interfering here.  A web page shouldn't be able to force access to a
> file on your system due to security, unless the page originates with you.
> And I THINK that directly setting the html basically means there is no base
> domain, so it will refuse to show the image.  Again, not an expert, so i'm
> just making a wag.
> If you need more control, you can likely create an html file on the fly and
> point your url to that, at which point you can use relative addressing for
> your pictures.  So, if you created the html file with your code in the same
> folder as your stack, you could then place.. <img src=tempMedia/ 99578
> 6d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg> into the file and it will likely work.
> 
> Another thing you might look into is running your own simple http server
> (which LC now makes easy) so that you can set up a simple server and set
> the url to http://localhost:8080/index.html  (or whatever port number you
> wish, and again, use relative pathing.
> 
> Either of these 2 methods is easier than using long, easily mangled
> absolute paths.   I haven't delved into the self run server yet, but I
> suspect you can do interesting things with it. (Or use the old revhttpd
> stack which I HAVE used, and know that it works really well and can do
> awesome stuff too)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 2:32 PM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Almost afraid to ask this because I feel like it?s a path issue with
>> Relative vs Absolute? Remote images display fine in a browser widget, but
>> local image files don?t seem to.
>> 
>> This works (displays the image) in script and in the message box:
>> put "<img src=" & "http://www.trumbull-ct.gov/images/BoyScouts.jpg" & ">"
>> into tHTML
>> 
>> set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML
>> 
>> 
>> This does not (Image not displayed) in script or the message box:
>> put "<img src=" &
>> "file:///Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"
>> & ">" into tHTML
>> 
>> set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry about bombarding the list!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Steve
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 29 18:30:07 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 17:30:07 -0500
Subject: iOS multi-line input field
Message-ID: <904e9632-7e4c-ca1c-512f-af98fb80a5ac@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm looking at a stack with a multi-line input field in the iOS 
simulator. A handler shows a group and creates a multi-line input in the 
correct location, but as soon as I tap into the field to type the group 
is hidden.

There is only one command anywhere in the stack that hides the group and 
it is in a keyboardDeactivated handler. But the keyboard never activates 
in the first place, so that handler never triggers.

Is this a simulator issue? Here are the settings for the multi-line input:

   show grp "noteEntry"
   put calcInputControlPadding(8) into tInputRect -- calcs a display rect
   mobileControlCreate "multiline","usernote"
   mobileControlSet "usernote","rect",tInputRect
   mobileControlSet "usernote","opaque",false
   mobileControlSet "usernote","visible","true"
   mobileControlSet "usernote","editable","true"
   if the platform = "iPhone" then
     mobileControlSet "usernote","backgroundcolor","255,255,255,0" -- 
transparent
     mobileControlSet "usernote","delayTouches","true"
   end if


LC 9.0.1 (rc 1), Mac 10.13.4, XCode 9.4.1, simulator iPhone 7 (11.4).

Another issue:
If I make script changes, set breakpoints, save the stack, and test, the 
remote debugger triggers but the script that is shown is older and 
doesn't include the new changes. I have to quit and re-launch LC to 
debug the changes. Is there a way to force the remote debugger to 
recognize the altered script?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 20:02:59 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 18:02:59 -0600
Subject: Local images and the browser widget
In-Reply-To: <BF542B7C-EDB4-43EC-BF08-C2AA23D054F6@madmansoft.com>
References: <70106D17-445B-4929-BC11-6DF3F057C9CA@madmansoft.com>
	<CAG1cpSpB8=Lwxx4pi1Qo1g7JVcyGQqYjfjQbpMH_0WotwGEUNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BF542B7C-EDB4-43EC-BF08-C2AA23D054F6@madmansoft.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrSDNy+_Zb+b3pwau0bznkFA7R0Mf6BBZGUe=t76_d_Yg@mail.gmail.com>

Decided to try using the httpd library, and it seems to work pretty
nicely.  If you want to set up a very simple web picture viewer (VERY
simple) the following code is a working but minimal start.

local sBaseDir
on mouseup
   httpdstart "newrequest",8888,"My Picture Server" --start the server on
port 8888
   put specialfolderpath("desktop") & "/pics" into sBaseDir -- Set this to
the folder that contains your pictures
end mouseup

on newRequest pSocketId,pRequest -- handle requests
   if pRequest["resource"] is "/" then -- if the request has no filename,
give the directory index of jpg files. (I only coded for jpegs)
      put files(sBaseDir) into tFiles
      repeat for each line tLIne in tFiles
         put merge("<a href=[[tLine]]>[[tLine]]</a><br>") & cr after tData
-- build up the response data for each file
      end repeat
      httpdresponse pSocketId,200,tData -- send the index
   else
      put "Content-Type: image/jpeg ;" into pHeader -- set the content type
to jpeg
      put URL("binfile:" & sBaseDir & pRequest["resource"]) into tData --
read the image file and pop it into tData (binary mode)
      httpdresponse pSocketId,200,tData,pHeader -- send the picture data,
200 ok code, and set the correct header for picture data
   end if
end newRequest

If your filenames/paths have spaces, you'd have to jump through some hoops
to get it to work, and your base path has that space in it, so not sure how
to get it working. Actually, nevermind.  If you change spaces in your
baseurl to "\ " it may work?  I couldn't make it work here (on windows)
despite trying a whole bunch of ideas, so I cheated and made sure there
were no spaces.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 3:21 PM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mike, yes that does work for just displaying the image.
>
> I?m building HTML on the fly and wanted to include the local image if
> there was one, for testing. This will be a moot point for production as
> everything will be served via a web server, but I was hoping to see this
> for testing.
>
> I will be looking to the new http server LC has as I will need it anyway
> for doing some API things with this engine.
>
> Thanks again to all!
>
> Best,
> Steve
>
> > On Jul 29, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > If you just need to see the image, you can do it by changing your
> method..
> >
> > Instead of setting the htmltext, it should work to set the url to  "
> > http://Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/99578
> > 6d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"
> >
> > I'm not expert, but I think there is some type of cross-domain security
> > thing interfering here.  A web page shouldn't be able to force access to
> a
> > file on your system due to security, unless the page originates with you.
> > And I THINK that directly setting the html basically means there is no
> base
> > domain, so it will refuse to show the image.  Again, not an expert, so
> i'm
> > just making a wag.
> > If you need more control, you can likely create an html file on the fly
> and
> > point your url to that, at which point you can use relative addressing
> for
> > your pictures.  So, if you created the html file with your code in the
> same
> > folder as your stack, you could then place.. <img src=tempMedia/ 99578
> > 6d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg> into the file and it will likely
> work.
> >
> > Another thing you might look into is running your own simple http server
> > (which LC now makes easy) so that you can set up a simple server and set
> > the url to http://localhost:8080/index.html  (or whatever port number
> you
> > wish, and again, use relative pathing.
> >
> > Either of these 2 methods is easier than using long, easily mangled
> > absolute paths.   I haven't delved into the self run server yet, but I
> > suspect you can do interesting things with it. (Or use the old revhttpd
> > stack which I HAVE used, and know that it works really well and can do
> > awesome stuff too)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 2:32 PM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Almost afraid to ask this because I feel like it?s a path issue with
> >> Relative vs Absolute? Remote images display fine in a browser widget,
> but
> >> local image files don?t seem to.
> >>
> >> This works (displays the image) in script and in the message box:
> >> put "<img src=" & "http://www.trumbull-ct.gov/images/BoyScouts.jpg" &
> ">"
> >> into tHTML
> >>
> >> set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML
> >>
> >>
> >> This does not (Image not displayed) in script or the message box:
> >> put "<img src=" &
> >>
> "file:///Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"
> >> & ">" into tHTML
> >>
> >> set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML
> >>
> >>
> >> Sorry about bombarding the list!
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Steve
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul 29 20:56:26 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 17:56:26 -0700
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
In-Reply-To: <CF45A90B-BA50-46BD-B7E8-FC15203A6946@me.com>
References: <CF45A90B-BA50-46BD-B7E8-FC15203A6946@me.com>
Message-ID: <1cc74cd0-3922-bb0c-10d7-ab594b6e1a48@fourthworld.com>

Keith Clarke wrote:

 > Thanks Warren (& Richard) - this probably is the blocker, as this
 > particular VPS is definitely running 2.12
 >
 > Google suggests that I can?t (or at least shouldn't attempt to)
 > upgrade CentOS 6 with a later glibc version, given its central role.
 >
 > Apparently there are workarounds to install an additional, later
 > version of glibc - as an option, alongside the OS version - in such a
 > way that it gets called session by session, when needed (i.e. for LC
 > Server use). However, after failing to complete a couple of these,
 > it's clear but that this is way beyond my Linux chops to sort.
 >
 > So, it looks like server migration / rebuild will need to be on the
 > critical path or it?s a dead-end for experimenting with LC Server for
 > this particular project.

First question (an admittedly ignorant one, but I haven't spent much 
time in the CentOS community):  Why does their package manager not 
automatically keep system components current?

Second question: If the first question cannot be resolved easily, what 
is the advantage of CentOS for this project over Ubuntu or Debian?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From smaclean at madmansoft.com  Sun Jul 29 21:46:59 2018
From: smaclean at madmansoft.com (Stephen MacLean)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 21:46:59 -0400
Subject: Local images and the browser widget
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrSDNy+_Zb+b3pwau0bznkFA7R0Mf6BBZGUe=t76_d_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70106D17-445B-4929-BC11-6DF3F057C9CA@madmansoft.com>
	<CAG1cpSpB8=Lwxx4pi1Qo1g7JVcyGQqYjfjQbpMH_0WotwGEUNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BF542B7C-EDB4-43EC-BF08-C2AA23D054F6@madmansoft.com>
	<CAG1cpSrSDNy+_Zb+b3pwau0bznkFA7R0Mf6BBZGUe=t76_d_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BF22FB5-DA4A-45BF-A2E0-494B60FF8D2A@madmansoft.com>

Hi Mike,

Thanks for that! I was doing the same thing at the same time:)

My code for setting up the server:

local sTempMedia


command setTempMedia

### Set the location of the tempMedia folder

# set the defaultFolder to the folder containing the stackfile

set the itemDelimiter to slash

get the effective filename of this stack

#set tempMedia folder location

put item 1 to - 2 of it & "/tempMedia" into sTempMedia

end setTempMedia


on startHTTPServer

# Launch httpd server to serve local images

setTempMedia

httpdStart "NewRequest", 8090, "imgEngine Server"

end startHTTPServer


on stopHTTPServer

httpdStop 8090

end stopHTTPServer


on NewRequest pSocketID, pRequest

local tPath

put sTempMedia & pRequest["resource"] into of tPath

if there is a file tPath then

local tData

put url ("binfile:" & tPath) into tData

httpdResponse pSocketID, 200, tData

else

-- not found

httpdResponse pSocketID, 404

end if

end NewRequest


My code for embedding it:
# tFileName is just the name of the file. i.e. MyFile.jpg
put "http://localhost:8090/" & (tFileName) into tHero

# other code would follow to meld tHero into my html

and works just amazingly well!!

Thanks again for all your help!

I sure hope this helps someone else as well!

Best,

Steve

> On Jul 29, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Decided to try using the httpd library, and it seems to work pretty
> nicely.  If you want to set up a very simple web picture viewer (VERY
> simple) the following code is a working but minimal start.
> 
> local sBaseDir
> on mouseup
>   httpdstart "newrequest",8888,"My Picture Server" --start the server on
> port 8888
>   put specialfolderpath("desktop") & "/pics" into sBaseDir -- Set this to
> the folder that contains your pictures
> end mouseup
> 
> on newRequest pSocketId,pRequest -- handle requests
>   if pRequest["resource"] is "/" then -- if the request has no filename,
> give the directory index of jpg files. (I only coded for jpegs)
>      put files(sBaseDir) into tFiles
>      repeat for each line tLIne in tFiles
>         put merge("<a href=[[tLine]]>[[tLine]]</a><br>") & cr after tData
> -- build up the response data for each file
>      end repeat
>      httpdresponse pSocketId,200,tData -- send the index
>   else
>      put "Content-Type: image/jpeg ;" into pHeader -- set the content type
> to jpeg
>      put URL("binfile:" & sBaseDir & pRequest["resource"]) into tData --
> read the image file and pop it into tData (binary mode)
>      httpdresponse pSocketId,200,tData,pHeader -- send the picture data,
> 200 ok code, and set the correct header for picture data
>   end if
> end newRequest
> 
> If your filenames/paths have spaces, you'd have to jump through some hoops
> to get it to work, and your base path has that space in it, so not sure how
> to get it working. Actually, nevermind.  If you change spaces in your
> baseurl to "\ " it may work?  I couldn't make it work here (on windows)
> despite trying a whole bunch of ideas, so I cheated and made sure there
> were no spaces.
> 
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 3:21 PM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Mike, yes that does work for just displaying the image.
>> 
>> I?m building HTML on the fly and wanted to include the local image if
>> there was one, for testing. This will be a moot point for production as
>> everything will be served via a web server, but I was hoping to see this
>> for testing.
>> 
>> I will be looking to the new http server LC has as I will need it anyway
>> for doing some API things with this engine.
>> 
>> Thanks again to all!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Steve
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you just need to see the image, you can do it by changing your
>> method..
>>> 
>>> Instead of setting the htmltext, it should work to set the url to  "
>>> http://Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/99578
>>> 6d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"
>>> 
>>> I'm not expert, but I think there is some type of cross-domain security
>>> thing interfering here.  A web page shouldn't be able to force access to
>> a
>>> file on your system due to security, unless the page originates with you.
>>> And I THINK that directly setting the html basically means there is no
>> base
>>> domain, so it will refuse to show the image.  Again, not an expert, so
>> i'm
>>> just making a wag.
>>> If you need more control, you can likely create an html file on the fly
>> and
>>> point your url to that, at which point you can use relative addressing
>> for
>>> your pictures.  So, if you created the html file with your code in the
>> same
>>> folder as your stack, you could then place.. <img src=tempMedia/ 99578
>>> 6d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg> into the file and it will likely
>> work.
>>> 
>>> Another thing you might look into is running your own simple http server
>>> (which LC now makes easy) so that you can set up a simple server and set
>>> the url to http://localhost:8080/index.html  (or whatever port number
>> you
>>> wish, and again, use relative pathing.
>>> 
>>> Either of these 2 methods is easier than using long, easily mangled
>>> absolute paths.   I haven't delved into the self run server yet, but I
>>> suspect you can do interesting things with it. (Or use the old revhttpd
>>> stack which I HAVE used, and know that it works really well and can do
>>> awesome stuff too)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 2:32 PM Stephen MacLean via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Almost afraid to ask this because I feel like it?s a path issue with
>>>> Relative vs Absolute? Remote images display fine in a browser widget,
>> but
>>>> local image files don?t seem to.
>>>> 
>>>> This works (displays the image) in script and in the message box:
>>>> put "<img src=" & "http://www.trumbull-ct.gov/images/BoyScouts.jpg" &
>> ">"
>>>> into tHTML
>>>> 
>>>> set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This does not (Image not displayed) in script or the message box:
>>>> put "<img src=" &
>>>> 
>> "file:///Users/steve/Dropbox/ITB%20pubEngine/tempMedia/995786d6-4429-4821-8b21-8e811289e12c.jpg"
>>>> & ">" into tHTML
>>>> 
>>>> set the htmlText of widget "finished_html_content" to tHTML
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry about bombarding the list!
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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From keith.clarke at me.com  Mon Jul 30 02:40:18 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 07:40:18 +0100
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
In-Reply-To: <1cc74cd0-3922-bb0c-10d7-ab594b6e1a48@fourthworld.com>
References: <CF45A90B-BA50-46BD-B7E8-FC15203A6946@me.com>
	<1cc74cd0-3922-bb0c-10d7-ab594b6e1a48@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <661F2FF3-95AC-4C24-9C18-21F8022DEA29@me.com>


> First question (an admittedly ignorant one, but I haven't spent much time in the CentOS community):  Why does their package manager not automatically keep system components current?

CentOS 6 is not the latest version (and will be unsupported from 2020), so I guess there are dependencies that require moving to CentOS 7 for more recent components.

> Second question: If the first question cannot be resolved easily, what is the advantage of CentOS for this project over Ubuntu or Debian?

Convenience - it just happens to be the OS of the VPS hosting a Wordpress website, with capacity & a wildcard SSL certificate on the domain, where I was thinking about using LC to add some web services in a subdomain. 

Apparently the VPS can be destroyed and recreated on CentOS 7 but I have no confidence I can ensure any backup of the existing config & services will magically come back to life on CentOS 7 core seamlessly.

Best,
Keith




From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jul 30 07:41:28 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 06:41:28 -0500
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
In-Reply-To: <661F2FF3-95AC-4C24-9C18-21F8022DEA29@me.com>
References: <CF45A90B-BA50-46BD-B7E8-FC15203A6946@me.com>
	<1cc74cd0-3922-bb0c-10d7-ab594b6e1a48@fourthworld.com>
	<661F2FF3-95AC-4C24-9C18-21F8022DEA29@me.com>
Message-ID: <3e181efb-1942-4d90-a282-b6740ecae33a@Spark>

Last migration that I had was pretty seamless. They migrated everything to a new VPS for me to check out before flipping the switch to migrate to the upgrade. May be worth checking out if they do the same sort of thing.

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 30, 2018, 1:41 AM -0500, Keith Clarke via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
>
> > First question (an admittedly ignorant one, but I haven't spent much time in the CentOS community): Why does their package manager not automatically keep system components current?
>
> CentOS 6 is not the latest version (and will be unsupported from 2020), so I guess there are dependencies that require moving to CentOS 7 for more recent components.
>
> > Second question: If the first question cannot be resolved easily, what is the advantage of CentOS for this project over Ubuntu or Debian?
>
> Convenience - it just happens to be the OS of the VPS hosting a Wordpress website, with capacity & a wildcard SSL certificate on the domain, where I was thinking about using LC to add some web services in a subdomain.
>
> Apparently the VPS can be destroyed and recreated on CentOS 7 but I have no confidence I can ensure any backup of the existing config & services will magically come back to life on CentOS 7 core seamlessly.
>
> Best,
> Keith
>
>
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jul 30 10:10:29 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:10:29 +0000
Subject: Home Screen Icon Not Rendered on iOS
Message-ID: <5BC9F109-4EB8-4E4B-B445-DA99365712D8@hindu.org>

Apple continues to give us grief?Anyone else have this context.

Mac OS High Sierra 10.13.6
LC: 9.0.1 RC1
Xcode 9.4.1
iOS (on phone) 11.4.1

No matter what I do, I can't get the Home screen icon to render on the phone. It always "generic"

All icons are entered into SA at correct dimensions. Whether  we use "prerendered" on not, still doesn't work.
No entitlements issues, build goes through with no error. Just no proper icon.

Previously, in Xcode 9.3 this same problem was solved by saying  "Yes" to Apple's Dialog on Xcode start up

"Do You Want to Install Additional Components?"

After that, restarting Xcode, restart LC and the icon rendered.

But Xcode 9.3 will not build for iOS 11.4.1. AND XCode 9.4.1. invokes no dialog for "Additional Components"  -- it opens "silently" and on Apple's developer site there are no additional component for 9.4.1? (in downloads) I tried manually adding the 9.3 Components (little applications that I put the Xcode applications folder). but still no go?

I am stumped.

I can still build and get my beta testers to check the app - minus a proper home screen icons. But sure would be nice to solve this one.

BR

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 30 10:44:51 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:44:51 +0000
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
	<dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
	<25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50BC0EE1-5C75-48A9-A9A9-691FCF43682E@iotecdigital.com>

Wait, you can attach a disk based database to a memory database??

Bob S


> On Jul 27, 2018, at 15:19 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On the subject of sqLite/memory databases and preferences/data persistence,
> rather than using an array, and doing the encode/decode stuff, would it
> make sense to do the following..
> 1. open an empty in memory database
> 2. attach a disk based database
> 3. copy the required table(s) from disk base to memory base




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 30 10:47:41 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:47:41 +0000
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <042f7be2-56ae-2c58-f624-6dbb5408905e@fourthworld.com>
References: <25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
	<042f7be2-56ae-2c58-f624-6dbb5408905e@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B7D6C079-3F6C-4E82-A3BB-C1603886F231@iotecdigital.com>

I know. I actually saved an arrayEncoded livecode array to file, then see if I could parse it for the purposes of creating a searchable array handler. I had to give up because as I sair, the format is not straightforward. 

Bob S


> On Jul 27, 2018, at 15:47 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
> > I tried reading an "LSON" format, but it's not straight forward. It's
> > easier to simply arrayDecode the LSON and work with the array.
> 
> I think there's a misunderstanding here:  LSON *is* the standard LC encoded array.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 10:51:27 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 08:51:27 -0600
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <50BC0EE1-5C75-48A9-A9A9-691FCF43682E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
	<dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
	<25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC0EE1-5C75-48A9-A9A9-691FCF43682E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoOogi-nQ-Wwf6zMy_aKNv1OnaJbJguXfTZoNh0GpMNfw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes
<Wait, you can attach a disk based database to a memory database??

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:45 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Wait, you can attach a disk based database to a memory database??
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 27, 2018, at 15:19 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On the subject of sqLite/memory databases and preferences/data
> persistence,
> > rather than using an array, and doing the encode/decode stuff, would it
> > make sense to do the following..
> > 1. open an empty in memory database
> > 2. attach a disk based database
> > 3. copy the required table(s) from disk base to memory base
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 10:55:32 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 08:55:32 -0600
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoOogi-nQ-Wwf6zMy_aKNv1OnaJbJguXfTZoNh0GpMNfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
	<dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
	<25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC0EE1-5C75-48A9-A9A9-691FCF43682E@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoOogi-nQ-Wwf6zMy_aKNv1OnaJbJguXfTZoNh0GpMNfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpmsGcCZz4AOjAw8eQbeR8GKVq3dkMBuK_tYAp4FwxK9A@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry.. To elaborate, yes you can attach a disk based db to a memory db.
Then you use dot notation to specify which database you're working on.

So it would be a regular attach-- attach pathtodatabase.db as dbname
Then any place you would specify a table name it would be dbname.tablename



On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:51 AM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes
> <Wait, you can attach a disk based database to a memory database??
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:45 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Wait, you can attach a disk based database to a memory database??
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 27, 2018, at 15:19 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On the subject of sqLite/memory databases and preferences/data
>> persistence,
>> > rather than using an array, and doing the encode/decode stuff, would it
>> > make sense to do the following..
>> > 1. open an empty in memory database
>> > 2. attach a disk based database
>> > 3. copy the required table(s) from disk base to memory base
>>
>>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 30 11:01:40 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:01:40 -0400
Subject: Home Screen Icon Not Rendered on iOS
In-Reply-To: <5BC9F109-4EB8-4E4B-B445-DA99365712D8@hindu.org>
References: <5BC9F109-4EB8-4E4B-B445-DA99365712D8@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPO6J=grfM+W6JydTExncStKj=SdO-MKOF6Fp5KJbasQA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I've had a similar problem, but I haven't figured it out.  I went back
and found a couple of icons we had used several years ago.  They do work,
so I'm also baffled.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:11 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Apple continues to give us grief?Anyone else have this context.
>
> Mac OS High Sierra 10.13.6
> LC: 9.0.1 RC1
> Xcode 9.4.1
> iOS (on phone) 11.4.1
>
> No matter what I do, I can't get the Home screen icon to render on the
> phone. It always "generic"
>
> All icons are entered into SA at correct dimensions. Whether  we use
> "prerendered" on not, still doesn't work.
> No entitlements issues, build goes through with no error. Just no proper
> icon.
>
> Previously, in Xcode 9.3 this same problem was solved by saying  "Yes" to
> Apple's Dialog on Xcode start up
>
> "Do You Want to Install Additional Components?"
>
> After that, restarting Xcode, restart LC and the icon rendered.
>
> But Xcode 9.3 will not build for iOS 11.4.1. AND XCode 9.4.1. invokes no
> dialog for "Additional Components"  -- it opens "silently" and on Apple's
> developer site there are no additional component for 9.4.1? (in downloads)
> I tried manually adding the 9.3 Components (little applications that I put
> the Xcode applications folder). but still no go?
>
> I am stumped.
>
> I can still build and get my beta testers to check the app - minus a
> proper home screen icons. But sure would be nice to solve this one.
>
> BR
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 30 11:06:03 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:06:03 -0400
Subject: iOS multi-line input field
In-Reply-To: <904e9632-7e4c-ca1c-512f-af98fb80a5ac@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <904e9632-7e4c-ca1c-512f-af98fb80a5ac@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOJRH+v6subPzV6M-Np1KoA=FebOEt7qfHbFd14kvYGQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Second one:  I've had a similar problem.  I think there's a QR for it
First one:  Try moving your handler to inputEndEditing, just for giggles

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 6:30 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm looking at a stack with a multi-line input field in the iOS
> simulator. A handler shows a group and creates a multi-line input in the
> correct location, but as soon as I tap into the field to type the group
> is hidden.
>
> There is only one command anywhere in the stack that hides the group and
> it is in a keyboardDeactivated handler. But the keyboard never activates
> in the first place, so that handler never triggers.
>
> Is this a simulator issue? Here are the settings for the multi-line input:
>
>    show grp "noteEntry"
>    put calcInputControlPadding(8) into tInputRect -- calcs a display rect
>    mobileControlCreate "multiline","usernote"
>    mobileControlSet "usernote","rect",tInputRect
>    mobileControlSet "usernote","opaque",false
>    mobileControlSet "usernote","visible","true"
>    mobileControlSet "usernote","editable","true"
>    if the platform = "iPhone" then
>      mobileControlSet "usernote","backgroundcolor","255,255,255,0" --
> transparent
>      mobileControlSet "usernote","delayTouches","true"
>    end if
>
>
> LC 9.0.1 (rc 1), Mac 10.13.4, XCode 9.4.1, simulator iPhone 7 (11.4).
>
> Another issue:
> If I make script changes, set breakpoints, save the stack, and test, the
> remote debugger triggers but the script that is shown is older and
> doesn't include the new changes. I have to quit and re-launch LC to
> debug the changes. Is there a way to force the remote debugger to
> recognize the altered script?
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 11:19:12 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 09:19:12 -0600
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpmsGcCZz4AOjAw8eQbeR8GKVq3dkMBuK_tYAp4FwxK9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
	<dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
	<25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC0EE1-5C75-48A9-A9A9-691FCF43682E@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoOogi-nQ-Wwf6zMy_aKNv1OnaJbJguXfTZoNh0GpMNfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpmsGcCZz4AOjAw8eQbeR8GKVq3dkMBuK_tYAp4FwxK9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpAAiUuUvThO3z=53-M2UaQro6Dj_TnvT8yUxyT=nF6Zg@mail.gmail.com>

Doh. Been a bit since I did it. Its-- ATTACH DATABASE pathtodb.db as dbname

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:55 AM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry.. To elaborate, yes you can attach a disk based db to a memory db.
> Then you use dot notation to specify which database you're working on.
>
> So it would be a regular attach-- attach pathtodatabase.db as dbname
> Then any place you would specify a table name it would be dbname.tablename
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:51 AM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes
>> <Wait, you can attach a disk based database to a memory database??
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:45 AM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wait, you can attach a disk based database to a memory database??
>>>
>>> Bob S
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jul 27, 2018, at 15:19 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On the subject of sqLite/memory databases and preferences/data
>>> persistence,
>>> > rather than using an array, and doing the encode/decode stuff, would it
>>> > make sense to do the following..
>>> > 1. open an empty in memory database
>>> > 2. attach a disk based database
>>> > 3. copy the required table(s) from disk base to memory base
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 30 11:29:03 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:29:03 +0000
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <0f6601d42691$fc85af40$f5910dc0$@net>
References: <0f6601d42691$fc85af40$f5910dc0$@net>
Message-ID: <9BE6BF94-683C-4726-B6A4-8B0D27705847@iotecdigital.com>

It's simple: Shell this command:

telnet <yourserverorip> <25>

eg:

telnet smtp.gmail.com 25

You should get a response. SMTP servers will respond with information about the SMTP server. Other connections will simply reply that you are connected. If you get nothing, there is nothing listening at that IP on that port. 

Another thing you can do is open a socket, then check the openSockets. Pretty much the same thing, but no data is returned. (that I know of)

I open a socket then check the openSockets every second for 5 seconds, exiting upon success. Afterwards I alert the user and give them a chance to remedy the situation and try again, or else bail out. 

If I understand this, the first method, telnet, is blocking so you have to wait for a timeout. The second is non blocking, hence the 5 second loop. Usually if my server is available I get an open socket right away. I call this function every time I attempt a connection the the SQL database. Otherwise, if I don't properly close the last connection, I can get these 1 minute delays while the SQL database times out. 

Bob S


> On Jul 28, 2018, at 09:42 , Douglas Ruisaard via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob...
> 
> Wondering if you would post the windows-version of this technique again... or copy it to this forum, ideally?
> 
> The dropbox entry I can find is expired.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 30 11:30:09 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:30:09 +0000
Subject: Checking if internet is connected using tsNet?
In-Reply-To: <9BE6BF94-683C-4726-B6A4-8B0D27705847@iotecdigital.com>
References: <0f6601d42691$fc85af40$f5910dc0$@net>
	<9BE6BF94-683C-4726-B6A4-8B0D27705847@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <95F7B838-4CD4-4C8C-83BB-1D3900FEA9E2@iotecdigital.com>

That should read:

> telnet <yourserverorip> <yourserverportnumber>

Bob S

> On Jul 30, 2018, at 08:29 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> It's simple: Shell this command:
> 
> telnet <yourserverorip> <25>




From merakosp at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 11:52:40 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:52:40 +0100
Subject: Home Screen Icon Not Rendered on iOS
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPO6J=grfM+W6JydTExncStKj=SdO-MKOF6Fp5KJbasQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5BC9F109-4EB8-4E4B-B445-DA99365712D8@hindu.org>
	<CADCoycPO6J=grfM+W6JydTExncStKj=SdO-MKOF6Fp5KJbasQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8qZC0HPjWFEjfyP9PFLV_FsRhFB8X8n64mQu1vbhNr4w@mail.gmail.com>

Do the icons have an alpha channel? I *think* they are not allowed to have
one.

Best,
Panos
--


On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:01 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yes, I've had a similar problem, but I haven't figured it out.  I went back
> and found a couple of icons we had used several years ago.  They do work,
> so I'm also baffled.
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:11 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Apple continues to give us grief?Anyone else have this context.
> >
> > Mac OS High Sierra 10.13.6
> > LC: 9.0.1 RC1
> > Xcode 9.4.1
> > iOS (on phone) 11.4.1
> >
> > No matter what I do, I can't get the Home screen icon to render on the
> > phone. It always "generic"
> >
> > All icons are entered into SA at correct dimensions. Whether  we use
> > "prerendered" on not, still doesn't work.
> > No entitlements issues, build goes through with no error. Just no proper
> > icon.
> >
> > Previously, in Xcode 9.3 this same problem was solved by saying  "Yes" to
> > Apple's Dialog on Xcode start up
> >
> > "Do You Want to Install Additional Components?"
> >
> > After that, restarting Xcode, restart LC and the icon rendered.
> >
> > But Xcode 9.3 will not build for iOS 11.4.1. AND XCode 9.4.1. invokes no
> > dialog for "Additional Components"  -- it opens "silently" and on Apple's
> > developer site there are no additional component for 9.4.1? (in
> downloads)
> > I tried manually adding the 9.3 Components (little applications that I
> put
> > the Xcode applications folder). but still no go?
> >
> > I am stumped.
> >
> > I can still build and get my beta testers to check the app - minus a
> > proper home screen icons. But sure would be nice to solve this one.
> >
> > BR
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jul 30 12:16:23 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:16:23 +0100
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 139
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9Hc6As77KORx5=jfB8zEUOYJRL7CK_EY=DTQrkwb5PvA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

        Read issue #139 here: https://goo.gl/TwJhD7

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.


-- 
Panagiotis Merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
LiveCode Software Developer

Everyone Can Create Apps <https://livecode.com>


From colinholgate at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 13:24:35 2018
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 10:24:35 -0700
Subject: Home Screen Icon Not Rendered on iOS
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8qZC0HPjWFEjfyP9PFLV_FsRhFB8X8n64mQu1vbhNr4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5BC9F109-4EB8-4E4B-B445-DA99365712D8@hindu.org>
	<CADCoycPO6J=grfM+W6JydTExncStKj=SdO-MKOF6Fp5KJbasQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq8qZC0HPjWFEjfyP9PFLV_FsRhFB8X8n64mQu1vbhNr4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8B4710A-81B7-4AB9-A92C-6E97719EDB05@gmail.com>

Do you all know about the Assets.car requirement in iOS 11? Instead of including individual icons (which you have to do to support older iOS), you now include an Assets.car file, that has all of the icon sizes. It would be an included file.

It is possible to make the file using Xcode, but I found that some icon sizes were being left out, and Apple rejects apps like that. Fortunately someone made an online tool, you give it your 1024x1024 icon, it gives you back the Assets.car file:

http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php

It also makes the needed Android icons.


> On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:52 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Do the icons have an alpha channel? I *think* they are not allowed to have
> one.
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:01 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I've had a similar problem, but I haven't figured it out.  I went back
>> and found a couple of icons we had used several years ago.  They do work,
>> so I'm also baffled.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:11 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
>> use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apple continues to give us grief?Anyone else have this context.
>>> 
>>> Mac OS High Sierra 10.13.6
>>> LC: 9.0.1 RC1
>>> Xcode 9.4.1
>>> iOS (on phone) 11.4.1
>>> 
>>> No matter what I do, I can't get the Home screen icon to render on the
>>> phone. It always "generic"
>>> 
>>> All icons are entered into SA at correct dimensions. Whether  we use
>>> "prerendered" on not, still doesn't work.
>>> No entitlements issues, build goes through with no error. Just no proper
>>> icon.
>>> 
>>> Previously, in Xcode 9.3 this same problem was solved by saying  "Yes" to
>>> Apple's Dialog on Xcode start up
>>> 
>>> "Do You Want to Install Additional Components?"
>>> 
>>> After that, restarting Xcode, restart LC and the icon rendered.
>>> 
>>> But Xcode 9.3 will not build for iOS 11.4.1. AND XCode 9.4.1. invokes no
>>> dialog for "Additional Components"  -- it opens "silently" and on Apple's
>>> developer site there are no additional component for 9.4.1? (in
>> downloads)
>>> I tried manually adding the 9.3 Components (little applications that I
>> put
>>> the Xcode applications folder). but still no go?
>>> 
>>> I am stumped.
>>> 
>>> I can still build and get my beta testers to check the app - minus a
>>> proper home screen icons. But sure would be nice to solve this one.
>>> 
>>> BR
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>   and did a little diving.
>> And God said, "This is good."
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 30 14:25:36 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:25:36 -0400
Subject: Home Screen Icon Not Rendered on iOS
In-Reply-To: <B8B4710A-81B7-4AB9-A92C-6E97719EDB05@gmail.com>
References: <5BC9F109-4EB8-4E4B-B445-DA99365712D8@hindu.org>
	<CADCoycPO6J=grfM+W6JydTExncStKj=SdO-MKOF6Fp5KJbasQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq8qZC0HPjWFEjfyP9PFLV_FsRhFB8X8n64mQu1vbhNr4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<B8B4710A-81B7-4AB9-A92C-6E97719EDB05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOvpBexk3e6cMaHPCMyW3s-MTD0EvvTQgMkNFU3K+ei_w@mail.gmail.com>

The problem I've had is that older icons work (from a couple of years ago),
but newer icons that were working before this situation started happening
do not work.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 1:24 PM Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Do you all know about the Assets.car requirement in iOS 11? Instead of
> including individual icons (which you have to do to support older iOS), you
> now include an Assets.car file, that has all of the icon sizes. It would be
> an included file.
>
> It is possible to make the file using Xcode, but I found that some icon
> sizes were being left out, and Apple rejects apps like that. Fortunately
> someone made an online tool, you give it your 1024x1024 icon, it gives you
> back the Assets.car file:
>
> http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php
>
> It also makes the needed Android icons.
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:52 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Do the icons have an alpha channel? I *think* they are not allowed to
> have
> > one.
> >
> > Best,
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:01 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, I've had a similar problem, but I haven't figured it out.  I went
> back
> >> and found a couple of icons we had used several years ago.  They do
> work,
> >> so I'm also baffled.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:11 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> >> use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Apple continues to give us grief?Anyone else have this context.
> >>>
> >>> Mac OS High Sierra 10.13.6
> >>> LC: 9.0.1 RC1
> >>> Xcode 9.4.1
> >>> iOS (on phone) 11.4.1
> >>>
> >>> No matter what I do, I can't get the Home screen icon to render on the
> >>> phone. It always "generic"
> >>>
> >>> All icons are entered into SA at correct dimensions. Whether  we use
> >>> "prerendered" on not, still doesn't work.
> >>> No entitlements issues, build goes through with no error. Just no
> proper
> >>> icon.
> >>>
> >>> Previously, in Xcode 9.3 this same problem was solved by saying  "Yes"
> to
> >>> Apple's Dialog on Xcode start up
> >>>
> >>> "Do You Want to Install Additional Components?"
> >>>
> >>> After that, restarting Xcode, restart LC and the icon rendered.
> >>>
> >>> But Xcode 9.3 will not build for iOS 11.4.1. AND XCode 9.4.1. invokes
> no
> >>> dialog for "Additional Components"  -- it opens "silently" and on
> Apple's
> >>> developer site there are no additional component for 9.4.1? (in
> >> downloads)
> >>> I tried manually adding the 9.3 Components (little applications that I
> >> put
> >>> the Xcode applications folder). but still no go?
> >>>
> >>> I am stumped.
> >>>
> >>> I can still build and get my beta testers to check the app - minus a
> >>> proper home screen icons. But sure would be nice to solve this one.
> >>>
> >>> BR
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>   and did a little diving.
> >> And God said, "This is good."
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From mkoob at rogers.com  Mon Jul 30 14:37:53 2018
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:37:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
In-Reply-To: <C4D9D601-0D14-48DD-8B88-290C9B1F3822@me.com>
References: <C4D9D601-0D14-48DD-8B88-290C9B1F3822@me.com>
Message-ID: <1532975873074-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Keith

I have been running LC server on CentOS 6 on a VPS for a few years now.  It
runs the api for a cloud based application I have.  I am not sure of the LC
version but  I am pretty sure it is 6.x...

I don't know the details of the set up at the moment but If you want I can
check into it further.

I am looking to upgrade to CentOS 7 and a more recent version of LC OS,
Hopefully LC9.  Haven't tried this out yet though.  On the todo list.

Martin



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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jul 30 14:43:05 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 18:43:05 +0000
Subject: Home Screen Icon Not Rendered on iOS
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq8qZC0HPjWFEjfyP9PFLV_FsRhFB8X8n64mQu1vbhNr4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5BC9F109-4EB8-4E4B-B445-DA99365712D8@hindu.org>
	<CADCoycPO6J=grfM+W6JydTExncStKj=SdO-MKOF6Fp5KJbasQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq8qZC0HPjWFEjfyP9PFLV_FsRhFB8X8n64mQu1vbhNr4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B67AD33B-709B-4538-B4E4-028500C0D9C2@hindu.org>

All the icons have RGB change, Red, Green, Blue

I found one (1024x1024) that was set to "index" 
I re-exported from Illustrator, 

Still did  help

Brahmanathaswami
 

?On 7/30/18, 5:53 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Do the icons have an alpha channel? I *think* they are not allowed to have
    one.
    
    


From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jul 30 15:49:52 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 20:49:52 +0100
Subject: Home Screen Icon Not Rendered on iOS
In-Reply-To: <B67AD33B-709B-4538-B4E4-028500C0D9C2@hindu.org>
References: <5BC9F109-4EB8-4E4B-B445-DA99365712D8@hindu.org>
	<CADCoycPO6J=grfM+W6JydTExncStKj=SdO-MKOF6Fp5KJbasQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq8qZC0HPjWFEjfyP9PFLV_FsRhFB8X8n64mQu1vbhNr4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<B67AD33B-709B-4538-B4E4-028500C0D9C2@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8RBixhgtZD12qMm4qvGFbyNMJxL-A2zfdCD4ibL8n7Ng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Could you attach a couple of icons that don't work for you, in this bug
report?

https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21451

If the icons are confidential feel free to send them to panos (dot) merakos
at livecode (dot) com

Best,
Panos
--

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> All the icons have RGB change, Red, Green, Blue
>
> I found one (1024x1024) that was set to "index"
> I re-exported from Illustrator,
>
> Still did  help
>
> Brahmanathaswami
>
>
> ?On 7/30/18, 5:53 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of panagiotis merakos via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>     Do the icons have an alpha channel? I *think* they are not allowed to
> have
>     one.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



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LiveCode Software Developer

Everyone Can Create Apps <https://livecode.com>


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Mon Jul 30 16:06:13 2018
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 22:06:13 +0200
Subject: Quicktime on PC stuttering during Video displays
Message-ID: <13E76137-A032-4EC6-A336-9FEE402D7711@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

Running LiveCode 5.5 on my Macs for many years with several
very successful conversions to a PC platform (Windows 7)
Apart  from some field parameters and choice of "more PC"
oriented character sets, I could convert in no time. Happy Bunny ! 
However, some of my Apple Livecode stacks use Quicktime to play
my audio and video tracks. For MP3, Happy Bunny once more ! 
With .MP4 (et alia), I get glitches during replay.
I've seen warnings about Quicktime on PC but I ignored them as my
video use was very limited. I put the problem on the back-burner.

Recently I use much more video, and have to solve the problem.
Google searches invited me to use VLC or KMPlayer.

What modifications must I apply to choose a good solution ?
LiveCode Help on the internet is obtuse !
Does using the "dontuseQT" command solve this problem (sounds far
too easy, even for LiveCode ?.. !)

I hope that  my LiveCode status of 5.5 (can't afford LiveCode updates)
is not going to restrict me in any way.

I have a feeling that Klaus could help me out here ! (thanks for the music)

Thanks for any help

-Francis


From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Mon Jul 30 16:10:19 2018
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:10:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
Message-ID: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi all.
I have a global array containing the value 4. It's stored in
gTSsettings["teamcount"]
The bizarre thing is when I do value comparisons, gTSsettings["teamcount"]
does not equal 4.
This first occurred in a repeat loop, but I can reproduce it in the message
box, too.
put gTSsettings["teamcount"]4put gTSsettings["teamcount"] = 4false
This seems way to fundamental to be an undiscovered bug. So, what am I
missing?
I'm using LC 8.1.10 Build 14072 Indy on a MacBook Pro.
Thanks!
Tom B.



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From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Mon Jul 30 16:14:59 2018
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:14:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Oops, my formatting got lost...

Message box experiment:

put gTSsettings["teamcount"]
4

put gTSsettings["teamcount"] = 4
false

Thx,
Tom



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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 16:15:04 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:15:04 -0600
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqfhgjE8otuppLny6qx2hJmQnSPQXqRstK6MHdL_EPYVQ@mail.gmail.com>

You have to declare it as a global in every script where you use it.   It
sounds like thats whats going on here.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:10 PM tbodine via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
> I have a global array containing the value 4. It's stored in
> gTSsettings["teamcount"]
> The bizarre thing is when I do value comparisons, gTSsettings["teamcount"]
> does not equal 4.
> This first occurred in a repeat loop, but I can reproduce it in the message
> box, too.
> put gTSsettings["teamcount"]4put gTSsettings["teamcount"] = 4false
> This seems way to fundamental to be an undiscovered bug. So, what am I
> missing?
> I'm using LC 8.1.10 Build 14072 Indy on a MacBook Pro.
> Thanks!
> Tom B.
>
>
>
> --
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jul 30 16:27:50 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:27:50 -0700
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>

put 4 into gTSsettings["teamcount"]; put gTSsettings["teamcount"] & 
(gTSsettings["teamcount"]=4)

works here in the message box.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jul 30 16:36:19 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:36:19 -0700
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <7056053e-18e2-64fd-e859-c52935bbe7a3@sonic.net>

On 07/30/2018 01:27 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> put 4 into gTSsettings["teamcount"]; put gTSsettings["teamcount"] & 
> (gTSsettings["teamcount"]=4)
> 
> works here in the message box.
> 

ah... global...

global gTSsettings; put 4 into gTSsettings["teamcount"]; put 
gTSsettings["teamcount"] & (gTSsettings["teamcount"]=4)

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Mon Jul 30 16:43:43 2018
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:43:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1532983423731-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Nope, not it. 

The global is declared at the top of a group script containing numerous
handlers that use that and other global vars.

(Unless there was a change from LC 7 to LC 8 that requires declaration of
variables in each handler? I am porting a LC 7 project into LC 8.)

Tom



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From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Jul 30 17:04:28 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarxx)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:04:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <1532983423731-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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	<1532983423731-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Going down the declaration path further, do you have "strict compilation"
set?

Craig Newman



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From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Mon Jul 30 17:17:53 2018
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:17:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <1532984668265-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
	<1532983423731-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532984668265-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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No, strict compilation is off. 
Variable preservation is on.

So are LC 7 and 8 the same in terms of how variables are declared and
accessed? That's been my assumption.

Tom



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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Mon Jul 30 17:32:57 2018
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 23:32:57 +0200
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <1532985473179-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
	<1532983423731-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532984668265-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532985473179-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C516E0D8-F7D6-4F71-A932-63DEAE3E9986@me.com>

I have not encountered any differences in how variables are declared from LC 7 to LC 8 or LC 9. It works fine here both in LC 8.1.8 and  in LC 9.0.1 (RC) with MacOS 10.14 Beta

Best regards
Tore Nilsen

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> 30. jul. 2018 kl. 23:17 skrev tbodine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> No, strict compilation is off. 
> Variable preservation is on.
> 
> So are LC 7 and 8 the same in terms of how variables are declared and
> accessed? That's been my assumption.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 17:36:58 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 22:36:58 +0100
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <C516E0D8-F7D6-4F71-A932-63DEAE3E9986@me.com>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
	<1532983423731-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532984668265-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532985473179-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C516E0D8-F7D6-4F71-A932-63DEAE3E9986@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9=WtOM+NsThXHv_1KUWRD5uM=-Ym8WMo6TnUkyfZxfPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Tom,

What is the output of:

global gTSsettings["teamcount"]; put gTSsettings["teamcount"] - 4

Best,
Panos
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:32 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have not encountered any differences in how variables are declared from
> LC 7 to LC 8 or LC 9. It works fine here both in LC 8.1.8 and  in LC 9.0.1
> (RC) with MacOS 10.14 Beta
>
> Best regards
> Tore Nilsen
>
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>
>
>
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>
> > 30. jul. 2018 kl. 23:17 skrev tbodine via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > No, strict compilation is off.
> > Variable preservation is on.
> >
> > So are LC 7 and 8 the same in terms of how variables are declared and
> > accessed? That's been my assumption.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul 30 17:46:16 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:46:16 +0000
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpAAiUuUvThO3z=53-M2UaQro6Dj_TnvT8yUxyT=nF6Zg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
	<dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
	<25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC0EE1-5C75-48A9-A9A9-691FCF43682E@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoOogi-nQ-Wwf6zMy_aKNv1OnaJbJguXfTZoNh0GpMNfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpmsGcCZz4AOjAw8eQbeR8GKVq3dkMBuK_tYAp4FwxK9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpAAiUuUvThO3z=53-M2UaQro6Dj_TnvT8yUxyT=nF6Zg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <186C5EE7-5039-4BF5-A9B2-40EE18979B28@iotecdigital.com>

Interesting... does it load the file database into memory?

Bob S


> On Jul 30, 2018, at 08:19 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Doh. Been a bit since I did it. Its-- ATTACH DATABASE pathtodb.db as dbname




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 30 17:59:56 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:59:56 -0500
Subject: iOS multi-line input field
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOJRH+v6subPzV6M-Np1KoA=FebOEt7qfHbFd14kvYGQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <904e9632-7e4c-ca1c-512f-af98fb80a5ac@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycOJRH+v6subPzV6M-Np1KoA=FebOEt7qfHbFd14kvYGQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7628f332-846b-fc42-5d41-b15c9e8db773@hyperactivesw.com>

Moving the "close" command elsewhere did the trick. This is a stack 
created almost 5 years ago and it used to work, so something changed.

Thanks Mike.

On 7/30/18 10:06 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> Second one:  I've had a similar problem.  I think there's a QR for it
> First one:  Try moving your handler to inputEndEditing, just for giggles
> 
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 6:30 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm looking at a stack with a multi-line input field in the iOS
>> simulator. A handler shows a group and creates a multi-line input in the
>> correct location, but as soon as I tap into the field to type the group
>> is hidden.
>>
>> There is only one command anywhere in the stack that hides the group and
>> it is in a keyboardDeactivated handler. But the keyboard never activates
>> in the first place, so that handler never triggers.
>>
>> Is this a simulator issue? Here are the settings for the multi-line input:
>>
>>     show grp "noteEntry"
>>     put calcInputControlPadding(8) into tInputRect -- calcs a display rect
>>     mobileControlCreate "multiline","usernote"
>>     mobileControlSet "usernote","rect",tInputRect
>>     mobileControlSet "usernote","opaque",false
>>     mobileControlSet "usernote","visible","true"
>>     mobileControlSet "usernote","editable","true"
>>     if the platform = "iPhone" then
>>       mobileControlSet "usernote","backgroundcolor","255,255,255,0" --
>> transparent
>>       mobileControlSet "usernote","delayTouches","true"
>>     end if
>>
>>
>> LC 9.0.1 (rc 1), Mac 10.13.4, XCode 9.4.1, simulator iPhone 7 (11.4).
>>
>> Another issue:
>> If I make script changes, set breakpoints, save the stack, and test, the
>> remote debugger triggers but the script that is shown is older and
>> doesn't include the new changes. I have to quit and re-launch LC to
>> debug the changes. Is there a way to force the remote debugger to
>> recognize the altered script?
>>
>> --
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>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Mon Jul 30 18:10:36 2018
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 17:10:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9=WtOM+NsThXHv_1KUWRD5uM=-Ym8WMo6TnUkyfZxfPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
	<1532983423731-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532984668265-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532985473179-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C516E0D8-F7D6-4F71-A932-63DEAE3E9986@me.com>
	<CA+JfEq9=WtOM+NsThXHv_1KUWRD5uM=-Ym8WMo6TnUkyfZxfPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1532988636752-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi,

>>global gTSsettings["teamcount"]; put gTSsettings["teamcount"] - 4

The global is just gTSsettings, so I modified your command as...

global gTSsettings; put gTSsettings["teamcount"] - 4

RESULT:

-0.497436

???

Thanks,
Tom



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From bogdanoff at me.com  Mon Jul 30 18:10:58 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:10:58 -0700
Subject: Quicktime on PC stuttering during Video displays
In-Reply-To: <13E76137-A032-4EC6-A336-9FEE402D7711@wanadoo.fr>
References: <13E76137-A032-4EC6-A336-9FEE402D7711@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <D7CA00F8-02FC-4D45-A576-A621F2A5F55C@me.com>

Hi Francis,

Is it Windows 10 that you?re having trouble playing video on?

Apple stopped supporting QT with that version and the latest version of QT won?t work on Windows 10. However, a previous version should install and work. I happen to have it:

http://artsinteractive-products.s3.amazonaws.com/MITA/QuickTimeInstaller.exe <http://artsinteractive-products.s3.amazonaws.com/MITA/QuickTimeInstaller.exe>

?dontuseQT? otherwise won?t help you.

Peter

> On Jul 30, 2018, at 1:06 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
> 
> Running LiveCode 5.5 on my Macs for many years with several
> very successful conversions to a PC platform (Windows 7)
> Apart  from some field parameters and choice of "more PC"
> oriented character sets, I could convert in no time. Happy Bunny ! 
> However, some of my Apple Livecode stacks use Quicktime to play
> my audio and video tracks. For MP3, Happy Bunny once more ! 
> With .MP4 (et alia), I get glitches during replay.
> I've seen warnings about Quicktime on PC but I ignored them as my
> video use was very limited. I put the problem on the back-burner.
> 
> Recently I use much more video, and have to solve the problem.
> Google searches invited me to use VLC or KMPlayer.
> 
> What modifications must I apply to choose a good solution ?
> LiveCode Help on the internet is obtuse !
> Does using the "dontuseQT" command solve this problem (sounds far
> too easy, even for LiveCode ?.. !)
> 
> I hope that  my LiveCode status of 5.5 (can't afford LiveCode updates)
> is not going to restrict me in any way.
> 
> I have a feeling that Klaus could help me out here ! (thanks for the music)
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
> -Francis
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 18:14:03 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:14:03 -0600
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <186C5EE7-5039-4BF5-A9B2-40EE18979B28@iotecdigital.com>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
	<dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
	<25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC0EE1-5C75-48A9-A9A9-691FCF43682E@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoOogi-nQ-Wwf6zMy_aKNv1OnaJbJguXfTZoNh0GpMNfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpmsGcCZz4AOjAw8eQbeR8GKVq3dkMBuK_tYAp4FwxK9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpAAiUuUvThO3z=53-M2UaQro6Dj_TnvT8yUxyT=nF6Zg@mail.gmail.com>
	<186C5EE7-5039-4BF5-A9B2-40EE18979B28@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqG-C7W+obWU0gDhLkqpbb_fBqvVTtHN8XUHbox0Ovnzg@mail.gmail.com>

No, the memory db is in memory, the file db is still a file.  Also forgot,
you should probably quote the filename 'pathtofile.db' otherwise it gets
confused (unless you use a file with no extension.

The nice thing about this is you can have your nice persistent file db,
open a memory db, then do a create table main.tablename as select * from
attachedtable.tablename at which point you have the speed benefits of using
an in memory database.  Just gotta keep both updated if you make changes
that need to be persistent, but thats no different than loading an array,
and having to keep the disk based encoded array up to date with changes.
Faster if anything since you don't have to write the whole thing every time.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 3:46 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Interesting... does it load the file database into memory?
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 2018, at 08:19 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Doh. Been a bit since I did it. Its-- ATTACH DATABASE pathtodb.db as
> dbname
>
>
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From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 30 20:22:42 2018
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 00:22:42 +0000
Subject: Camera on iPad error?
Message-ID: <SINPR03MB225393EF050E780CBC4D4CFAA52E0@SINPR03MB2253.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>

I've submitted an app update to the Apple store and have been rejected with the following error:

"We discovered one or more bugs in your app when reviewed on iPad running iOS 11.4.1 on Wi-Fi connected to an IPv6 network.

Specifically, when tapping on the camera button, no further action took place."

I'm using mobilePickPhoto to call up the camera with LC 9.0 - has anyone else seen this problem?

cheers

Alan





From monte at appisle.net  Mon Jul 30 20:25:25 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:25:25 +1000
Subject: Camera on iPad error?
In-Reply-To: <SINPR03MB225393EF050E780CBC4D4CFAA52E0@SINPR03MB2253.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SINPR03MB225393EF050E780CBC4D4CFAA52E0@SINPR03MB2253.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A1E1BFCD-F45E-483E-857C-96C6817823C1@appisle.net>

Very odd that it would be IPv6 related. Are you doing anything with sockets?

> On 31 Jul 2018, at 10:22 am, Alan via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I've submitted an app update to the Apple store and have been rejected with the following error:
> 
> "We discovered one or more bugs in your app when reviewed on iPad running iOS 11.4.1 on Wi-Fi connected to an IPv6 network.
> 
> Specifically, when tapping on the camera button, no further action took place."
> 
> I'm using mobilePickPhoto to call up the camera with LC 9.0 - has anyone else seen this problem?
> 
> cheers
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
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From mark at livecode.com  Tue Jul 31 01:38:50 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 07:38:50 +0200
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's =?UTF-8?Q?wrong=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <1532988636752-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
	<1532983423731-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532984668265-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532985473179-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C516E0D8-F7D6-4F71-A932-63DEAE3E9986@me.com>
	<CA+JfEq9=WtOM+NsThXHv_1KUWRD5uM=-Ym8WMo6TnUkyfZxfPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1532988636752-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3ddaea63f2e4868a7375341d1d018c85@livecode.com>

Hi Tom,

What code sets gTSsettings["teamcount], and more critically, are you 
using 'numberFormat' anywhere?

It sounds like the value of gTSsettings["teamcount"] is *actually* 
3.502564, and wherever you saw it is '4' was somewhere where 
numberFormat was truncating/rounding.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

On 2018-07-31 00:10, tbodine via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>>> global gTSsettings["teamcount"]; put gTSsettings["teamcount"] - 4
> 
> The global is just gTSsettings, so I modified your command as...
> 
> global gTSsettings; put gTSsettings["teamcount"] - 4
> 
> RESULT:
> 
> -0.497436
> 
> ???
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
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From keith.clarke at me.com  Tue Jul 31 06:34:43 2018
From: keith.clarke at me.com (Keith Clarke)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:34:43 +0100
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
In-Reply-To: <1532975873074-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <C4D9D601-0D14-48DD-8B88-290C9B1F3822@me.com>
	<1532975873074-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3C22A388-D737-40BD-A6FF-CEB7F56726D6@me.com>

Thanks Martin (& Brian). It transpires that the VPS in question only has CentOS 6 OS option, even if recreated - so the OS is a given for the short term, pending replacement / upgrade discussions with the hosting provider, which are not my call.

One option to get underway might be to deploy an earlier version of LC Server that can both:
Run happily under Linux with GLIBC at 2.12
Use LC9-compatible stacks - so I can develop on my desktop and deploy.

I just hope these criteria aren?t mutually exclusive!

I?m not sure when stack change hit LC server or where to discover that. 

Before I start working backwards through server downloads to read the release notes, could anyone please perhaps nominate a likely contender release to target first?

Thanks & regards,
Keith         

> On 30 Jul 2018, at 19:37, Martin Koob via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith
> 
> I have been running LC server on CentOS 6 on a VPS for a few years now.  It
> runs the api for a cloud based application I have.  I am not sure of the LC
> version but  I am pretty sure it is 6.x...
> 
> I don't know the details of the set up at the moment but If you want I can
> check into it further.
> 
> I am looking to upgrade to CentOS 7 and a more recent version of LC OS,
> Hopefully LC9.  Haven't tried this out yet though.  On the todo list.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jul 31 06:50:13 2018
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:50:13 +0100
Subject: Oauth2 (Dropbox) on iOS
In-Reply-To: <B8E6D7F1-D076-4A3A-B69A-C3A14E35E78D@appisle.net>
References: <73fec49e-0b91-7395-5fce-a7da20f5e2ae@cogapp.com>
	<529B8EAE-D814-454B-8E24-77FEA35741A3@pidigital.co.uk>
	<c337ed04-6af4-e5d5-3364-52dbf9bc83f7@cogapp.com>
	<CA+JfEq-uxKiGkabDMgeFtPu_gi58+M6rsr1Vo5gsrFkmAK+Pjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq_pQFOhV=GBM-WTrgQe=VwopFerfW80nf7Njr=0RwhjyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<eabf3caa-0cfa-5e10-70d3-e5de9c39ce1f@cogapp.com>
	<B8E6D7F1-D076-4A3A-B69A-C3A14E35E78D@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <faa611b5-8ad7-51ff-e525-e9187529702d@cogapp.com>

Thanks Monte.

 > As I just commented on the bug report you should be able to resolve this 
using the following plist entry:

That solution does work, but only on iOS 10 or later, so prevents apps from 
earlier working.

 > This is actually a general issue for anyone wanting to run a little in app 
HTTP server like the OAuth2 lib or the httpd lib.

Not that this is necessarily a priority, but can I check whether there's a 
theoretical capability to run such a server accepting HTTPS connections? Or is 
the only solution to keep using HTTP, and limit the apps to iOS > 10?

Many thanks,

Ben



On 25/07/2018 23:53, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2018, at 12:54 am, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've been trying with some variations of this - so far without success!
> 
> Hi Ben
> 
> As I just commented on the bug report you should be able to resolve this using the following plist entry:
> 
> <key>NSAppTransportSecurity</key>
> <dict>
>     <key>NSAllowsLocalNetworking</key>
>     <true/>
> </dict>
> 
> This is actually a general issue for anyone wanting to run a little in app HTTP server like the OAuth2 lib or the httpd lib. So we need a checkbox on standalone settings and then including either of those libs should force the setting.
> 
> In the meantime a custom plist template should keep you going.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
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From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Tue Jul 31 11:16:18 2018
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:16:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <3ddaea63f2e4868a7375341d1d018c85@livecode.com>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
	<1532983423731-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532984668265-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532985473179-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C516E0D8-F7D6-4F71-A932-63DEAE3E9986@me.com>
	<CA+JfEq9=WtOM+NsThXHv_1KUWRD5uM=-Ym8WMo6TnUkyfZxfPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1532988636752-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3ddaea63f2e4868a7375341d1d018c85@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <1533050178692-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

 Panos' test and Mark's insight have me on the right path.

I am not using "numberFormat" anywhere, but I am setting the value of
gTSsettings["teamcount] from a mouseup script on a scrollbar. Since my
scrollbar output is apparently coming out as a floating point value, I need
to add rounding to it.

Not sure how the scrollbar was able to generate floating point values, as
Start/End/Current values are all integers. Is "scroll distance on bar click"
actually used in the result calculation? That was set to .9ish.  I thought
the scroll distance setting was more of a UI setting that allowed the user
to not have to hit the exact tick on the scrollbar. 

Thanks to all for your help on this.
Tom B.



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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul 31 11:26:16 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:26:16 +0200
Subject: Quicktime on PC stuttering during Video displays
In-Reply-To: <13E76137-A032-4EC6-A336-9FEE402D7711@wanadoo.fr>
References: <13E76137-A032-4EC6-A336-9FEE402D7711@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <E51B7C06-FE26-4B92-8D54-440F765EFE3A@major-k.de>

Hi Francis,

> Am 30.07.2018 um 22:06 schrieb Francis Nugent Dixon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi from Beautiful Brittany,
> 
> Running LiveCode 5.5 on my Macs for many years with several
> very successful conversions to a PC platform (Windows 7)
> Apart  from some field parameters and choice of "more PC"
> oriented character sets, I could convert in no time. Happy Bunny ! 
> However, some of my Apple Livecode stacks use Quicktime to play
> my audio and video tracks. For MP3, Happy Bunny once more ! 
> With .MP4 (et alia), I get glitches during replay.
> I've seen warnings about Quicktime on PC but I ignored them as my
> video use was very limited. I put the problem on the back-burner.
> 
> Recently I use much more video, and have to solve the problem.
> Google searches invited me to use VLC or KMPlayer.
> 
> What modifications must I apply to choose a good solution ?
> LiveCode Help on the internet is obtuse !
> Does using the "dontuseQT" command solve this problem (sounds far
> too easy, even for LiveCode ?.. !)

if you: set the dontuseqt to TRUE
then you will only be able to ONLY play MPG (1), SOME AVI and MOV files with 
"ancient" codecs in LC via: play vc "path/to/videofile.mp"

> I hope that  my LiveCode status of 5.5 (can't afford LiveCode updates)
> is not going to restrict me in any way.

I'm afraid it does.

> I have a feeling that Klaus could help me out here ! (thanks for the music)

Thank you for your confidence, but sorry, I cannot be of help here.

QT and Windows were never good companions, so you are out of luck because LC 5.5
will always use QT for multimedia playback on Windows.

> Thanks for any help
> 
> -Francis

Best

Klaus

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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 31 12:22:27 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 16:22:27 +0000
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqG-C7W+obWU0gDhLkqpbb_fBqvVTtHN8XUHbox0Ovnzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
	<dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
	<25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC0EE1-5C75-48A9-A9A9-691FCF43682E@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoOogi-nQ-Wwf6zMy_aKNv1OnaJbJguXfTZoNh0GpMNfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpmsGcCZz4AOjAw8eQbeR8GKVq3dkMBuK_tYAp4FwxK9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpAAiUuUvThO3z=53-M2UaQro6Dj_TnvT8yUxyT=nF6Zg@mail.gmail.com>
	<186C5EE7-5039-4BF5-A9B2-40EE18979B28@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG-C7W+obWU0gDhLkqpbb_fBqvVTtHN8XUHbox0Ovnzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2525FF5A-3C84-49EA-AB68-9FE402D2B379@iotecdigital.com>

That's an interesting strategy. I'm gonna mull over this and see if I can find an application for it. The first thing that comes to my mind is that when I am in the field, I sometimes cannot connect to my database, because the customer network is heavily firewalled, and my cell phone can't get a good connection to be used as a hotspot. 

I have thought about adding a "Work Offline" option, and taking all the data I currently have queried, and migrating it to memory databases, then synching up later might be an option. I'd have to lock writes somehow on the offline records in the parent DB, so I don't have to deal with conflicts, and I'd have to prevent certain operations while offline, but it's doable. 

Bob S


> On Jul 30, 2018, at 15:14 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> No, the memory db is in memory, the file db is still a file.  Also forgot,
> you should probably quote the filename 'pathtofile.db' otherwise it gets
> confused (unless you use a file with no extension.
> 
> The nice thing about this is you can have your nice persistent file db,
> open a memory db, then do a create table main.tablename as select * from
> attachedtable.tablename at which point you have the speed benefits of using
> an in memory database.  Just gotta keep both updated if you make changes
> that need to be persistent, but thats no different than loading an array,
> and having to keep the disk based encoded array up to date with changes.
> Faster if anything since you don't have to write the whole thing every time.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 31 12:27:27 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 16:27:27 +0000
Subject: Too fundamental to be a bug, so what's wrong?
In-Reply-To: <1533050178692-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1532981419662-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532981699084-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<d34a0087-bc92-5587-4056-7d31457f5b04@sonic.net>
	<1532983423731-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532984668265-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1532985473179-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C516E0D8-F7D6-4F71-A932-63DEAE3E9986@me.com>
	<CA+JfEq9=WtOM+NsThXHv_1KUWRD5uM=-Ym8WMo6TnUkyfZxfPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1532988636752-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3ddaea63f2e4868a7375341d1d018c85@livecode.com>
	<1533050178692-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CF010BC5-7F92-4D28-B375-B33D9469D7E1@iotecdigital.com>

I can imagine a scenario where you could produce floating point values in the scrollbar output. Suppose your screen is a retina display. The LC point is much coarser than the retina pixel, so one LC point might be 8.72654 *actual* pixels, because the scrollbar has to be smooth visually, so it scrolls by retina pixels (so to speak). 

Bob S


> On Jul 31, 2018, at 08:16 , tbodine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Panos' test and Mark's insight have me on the right path.
> 
> I am not using "numberFormat" anywhere, but I am setting the value of
> gTSsettings["teamcount] from a mouseup script on a scrollbar. Since my
> scrollbar output is apparently coming out as a floating point value, I need
> to add rounding to it.
> 
> Not sure how the scrollbar was able to generate floating point values, as
> Start/End/Current values are all integers. Is "scroll distance on bar click"
> actually used in the result calculation? That was set to .9ish.  I thought
> the scroll distance setting was more of a UI setting that allowed the user
> to not have to hit the exact tick on the scrollbar. 
> 
> Thanks to all for your help on this.
> Tom B.




From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul 31 13:22:32 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:22:32 -0500
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <2525FF5A-3C84-49EA-AB68-9FE402D2B379@iotecdigital.com>
References: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
	<4befbdb6-f2ce-a3ec-0fea-29d9193cdb95@fourthworld.com>
	<dba39e68-c78c-aa06-922a-109b02754242@tweedly.net>
	<25441402-FF05-4AFE-ADC6-E0A78CA83983@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSr7kWRUGrg_q=KuCr5vRuGvxsb9a4a0Ft55EZJ7MpG3vg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50BC0EE1-5C75-48A9-A9A9-691FCF43682E@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoOogi-nQ-Wwf6zMy_aKNv1OnaJbJguXfTZoNh0GpMNfw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpmsGcCZz4AOjAw8eQbeR8GKVq3dkMBuK_tYAp4FwxK9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpAAiUuUvThO3z=53-M2UaQro6Dj_TnvT8yUxyT=nF6Zg@mail.gmail.com>
	<186C5EE7-5039-4BF5-A9B2-40EE18979B28@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG-C7W+obWU0gDhLkqpbb_fBqvVTtHN8XUHbox0Ovnzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2525FF5A-3C84-49EA-AB68-9FE402D2B379@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4b4076de-1993-48b2-9748-d8e79330dfb6@Spark>

And don?t forget about the way mobile can dump everything at any time too. So you would end up with mobile disk and memory as the cache for the upstream DB server.
On Jul 31, 2018, 11:23 AM -0500, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> That's an interesting strategy. I'm gonna mull over this and see if I can find an application for it. The first thing that comes to my mind is that when I am in the field, I sometimes cannot connect to my database, because the customer network is heavily firewalled, and my cell phone can't get a good connection to be used as a hotspot.
>
> I have thought about adding a "Work Offline" option, and taking all the data I currently have queried, and migrating it to memory databases, then synching up later might be an option. I'd have to lock writes somehow on the offline records in the parent DB, so I don't have to deal with conflicts, and I'd have to prevent certain operations while offline, but it's doable.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 30, 2018, at 15:14 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > No, the memory db is in memory, the file db is still a file. Also forgot,
> > you should probably quote the filename 'pathtofile.db' otherwise it gets
> > confused (unless you use a file with no extension.
> >
> > The nice thing about this is you can have your nice persistent file db,
> > open a memory db, then do a create table main.tablename as select * from
> > attachedtable.tablename at which point you have the speed benefits of using
> > an in memory database. Just gotta keep both updated if you make changes
> > that need to be persistent, but thats no different than loading an array,
> > and having to keep the disk based encoded array up to date with changes.
> > Faster if anything since you don't have to write the whole thing every time.
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 31 12:31:36 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 09:31:36 -0700
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
In-Reply-To: <3C22A388-D737-40BD-A6FF-CEB7F56726D6@me.com>
References: <3C22A388-D737-40BD-A6FF-CEB7F56726D6@me.com>
Message-ID: <197a828d-ce89-88ae-0da7-7c8677eb0adc@fourthworld.com>

Keith Clarke wrote:

 > Thanks Martin (& Brian). It transpires that the VPS in question only
 > has CentOS 6 OS option, even if recreated - so the OS is a given for
 > the short term, pending replacement / upgrade discussions with the
 > hosting provider, which are not my call.
 >
 > One option to get underway might be to deploy an earlier version of LC
 > Server that can both:
 > Run happily under Linux with GLIBC at 2.12
 > Use LC9-compatible stacks - so I can develop on my desktop and deploy.
 >
 > I just hope these criteria aren?t mutually exclusive!

Apparently glibc has a very conservative version numbering scheme - 
v2.12 was from 2010:
https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Glibc%20Timeline

LC 9's native format is the same as with v8.1, so I checked the Release 
Notes for that version and apparently it requires glibc 2.13 or later.

Oddly, looking back to LC v7.0 the glibc required versions were *higher* 
than they are in later versions - from the v7 release notes:

   Requirements for 32-bit Intel/AMD:
       glibc 2.3.6 or later
   Requirements for 64-bit Intel/AMD:
       glibc 2.15 or later

Even odder is that support for the older 32-bit architecture requires a 
much newer version (?).

In fact, I went back as far as LC v4.5 and found the glibc required 
version listed as "glibc 2.3.2 or later".

This is confusing to me, so it seems we could benefit from some guidance 
from Mark Waddingham or one of the Linux-savvy team members.

I wonder how difficult it would be to recompile LC 9.0.1 with glibc 2.12...

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jul 31 14:01:38 2018
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 19:01:38 +0100
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
References: <20180723185741.0e593aff@poseidon>
	<e17b91d4-ba6f-430f-b347-959c56aa0a21@Spark>
	<20180727153756.46d93489@poseidon>
Message-ID: <6833c71a-6621-de52-6304-a317321c12b5@cogapp.com>

Hi John, welcome to the gang.

FWIW, if your needs are super-simple, saving the values of various fields - 
and especially if those fields are not going to have multi-line values, you 
may want to check out the keywords 'combine' and 'split'.

Combine takes a (simple, not nested) array and combines it into flat text with 
the delimiters you specify for keys and records; split does the reverse.

So what I've done for this kind of case - simple mobile app, storing some 
simple values in case it gets backgrounded - is keep all the data in an array; 
update the array when the data changes (e.g. user edits a field, or some other 
event) - and then calling a command along these lines:

	command storeSettings
	   global gaSettings
	   local tPath, tFlat
	   put gaSettings into tFlat
	   combine tFlat using return and tab
	   put format("file://%s/settings.txt", prefsFolder()) into tPath
	   put tFlat into URL tPath
	end storeSettings

The advantage over arrayEncode is that the file is very readable - with the 
above delimiters, each line is an entry from the array, in the format 
<key><tab><value>.  I know Richard questions why one would ever want to read 
"LSON": my answer is that during development it can be helpful, either 
directly when developing on desktop, or attaching to error reports once the 
app has moved onto a device.

The disadvantage is that you need a couple of characters that you know won't 
be included in either key or value. It doesn't have to be tab and return; you 
could use "?" and "?" - but if you have any doubts of what your users might 
ever need to enter, this is an issue.

HTH,

Ben


On 27/07/2018 19:37, John McKenzie via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>   Thanks for the extra comments everyone. Glad my thought process was
> correct, databse is overkill, saving every text change is too much,
> etc, etc.
> 
>   As I said I will not be able to really do anything until next week.
> 
>   Thanks for mentioning the closeField command guys. I will check it
> out, but the name sounds like it explains it, loose focus on the field,
> field is closed, handling activated.
> 
>   Because I like word play I might make my own text file format, the
> "Extended Livecode Optimized Serialized Object Notation" format or
> ELSON. It adds just enough features to LSON to make identical to JSON.
> Being stupid and redundant it will be the hot new buzzword in the
> computing industry.
> 
> 
>   Using arrays intigues me, especially if I can just keep it in RAM (It
> is a small amount of data for sure).
> 
>   Thanks for your continued help everyone. Off to super busy weekend
> planning and working on an event for Sunday. Will update you/ask
> follow-ups next week.
> 



From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul 31 14:02:57 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 13:02:57 -0500
Subject: LiveCode Server on CentOS 6?
In-Reply-To: <197a828d-ce89-88ae-0da7-7c8677eb0adc@fourthworld.com>
References: <3C22A388-D737-40BD-A6FF-CEB7F56726D6@me.com>
	<197a828d-ce89-88ae-0da7-7c8677eb0adc@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYsZnB0JgT_JvVJHg5sVUOoCN=vrTbuyq0+cV+uKUVt=A@mail.gmail.com>

In addition to bug fixes, I found this in the release notes for glibc 2.13:

New optimized string functions for x86-64: strnlen (SSE2),
  strcasecmp (SSE2, SSSE3, SSE4.2), strncasecmp (SSE2, SSSE3, SSE4.2)
  Implemented by Ulrich Drepper.


This is something that is probably beneficial to string functions in LC.
The ABI comparison that I found started with 2.13 so it doesn't show the
symbol changes from the previous version.

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Keith Clarke wrote:
>
> > Thanks Martin (& Brian). It transpires that the VPS in question only
> > has CentOS 6 OS option, even if recreated - so the OS is a given for
> > the short term, pending replacement / upgrade discussions with the
> > hosting provider, which are not my call.
> >
> > One option to get underway might be to deploy an earlier version of LC
> > Server that can both:
> > Run happily under Linux with GLIBC at 2.12
> > Use LC9-compatible stacks - so I can develop on my desktop and deploy.
> >
> > I just hope these criteria aren?t mutually exclusive!
>
> Apparently glibc has a very conservative version numbering scheme - v2.12
> was from 2010:
> https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Glibc%20Timeline
>
> LC 9's native format is the same as with v8.1, so I checked the Release
> Notes for that version and apparently it requires glibc 2.13 or later.
>
> Oddly, looking back to LC v7.0 the glibc required versions were *higher*
> than they are in later versions - from the v7 release notes:
>
>   Requirements for 32-bit Intel/AMD:
>       glibc 2.3.6 or later
>   Requirements for 64-bit Intel/AMD:
>       glibc 2.15 or later
>
> Even odder is that support for the older 32-bit architecture requires a
> much newer version (?).
>
> In fact, I went back as far as LC v4.5 and found the glibc required
> version listed as "glibc 2.3.2 or later".
>
> This is confusing to me, so it seems we could benefit from some guidance
> from Mark Waddingham or one of the Linux-savvy team members.
>
> I wonder how difficult it would be to recompile LC 9.0.1 with glibc 2.12...
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul 31 14:03:01 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:03:01 -0400
Subject: sending javascript to browser widget?
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKgGptTEs+WuVM9CX1A0D2ZAoQ1VcpYy+9YBD6aE4qgRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peeps, can anyone clarify for me if its possible to have a browser
widget on a card and send javascript commands to it?

Can I for example put text (login & password) into fields on the page if I
know the names of the field controls?

Can I trigger the login button?

Looking for workarounds for the lack of cookie support in the browser
widget. (so i'm trying to do auto login)

Unless it does support cookies?!?!!? Will it ever?

Thank you.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 31 14:56:24 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 18:56:24 +0000
Subject: sending javascript to browser widget?
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLKgGptTEs+WuVM9CX1A0D2ZAoQ1VcpYy+9YBD6aE4qgRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKgGptTEs+WuVM9CX1A0D2ZAoQ1VcpYy+9YBD6aE4qgRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5C0714B-1A21-4CAE-AC6A-97CE29ED6E39@iotecdigital.com>

I'm going to say that Javascript is written to prevent you from doing that. Javascript sandboxes their commands and functions so that only certain ones are visible from outside the applications "sandbox". They call it Scope and Context. 

Here is a good article on it which helped me understand why I could not access certain commands and functions outside Acrobat: 

http://ryanmorr.com/understanding-scope-and-context-in-javascript/

If you can set a username and password in a web page javascript control, then you can probably GET them too. The reason why plugins like password managers work is because they operate inside the context of the browser application itself. Of course, all of my posts are subject to scrutiny and correction. 

Bob S


> On Jul 31, 2018, at 11:03 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peeps, can anyone clarify for me if its possible to have a browser
> widget on a card and send javascript commands to it?
> 
> Can I for example put text (login & password) into fields on the page if I
> know the names of the field controls?
> 
> Can I trigger the login button?
> 
> Looking for workarounds for the lack of cookie support in the browser
> widget. (so i'm trying to do auto login)
> 
> Unless it does support cookies?!?!!? Will it ever?
> 
> Thank you.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 31 15:03:40 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:03:40 -0700
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <6833c71a-6621-de52-6304-a317321c12b5@cogapp.com>
References: <6833c71a-6621-de52-6304-a317321c12b5@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <7348875e-9608-c7af-b9ed-e84daf074de7@fourthworld.com>

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

 > FWIW, if your needs are super-simple, saving the values of various
 > fields -  and especially if those fields are not going to have
 > multi-line values, you may want to check out the keywords 'combine'
 > and 'split'.
 > The advantage over arrayEncode is that the file is very readable -
 > with the above delimiters, each line is an entry from the array, in
 > the format <key><tab><value>.

An excellent option for single-line name-value pairs.


 > I know Richard questions why one would
 > ever want to read "LSON": my answer is that during development it can
 > be helpful, either directly when developing on desktop, or attaching
 > to error reports once the app has moved onto a device.

To clarify, my only one-size-fits-all rule on this is that there is no 
one-size-fits-all-rule for any of this. :)

What's best for a given circumstance depends on the given circumstance.

I use a format I call ISHI for my CMS and a growing range of other 
things.  I'll get around to documenting it later, but it's little more 
than a slightly-augmented use of split and combine.  As such, it gives 
me blinding speed in CGI environments where every millisecond matters, 
while retaining the flexible ease of plain text that can be written 
anywhere in anything, a valuable trait for a system based around textual 
content authoring.


Uses cases where LSON (LC's binary output from arrayEncode) is favorable 
have different requirements, such as array depth.  I use LSON in systems 
where I need the flexibility of a schema-free format and the ability to 
employ any level of depth to keep document internals separate from one 
another for instant parsing.

Humans are very good at handling one- and two-dimensional writing; e.g., 
strings and tables.  Easy to conceptualize, easy to maintain.

Once you add a third dimension things get murky, increasing cognitive 
load for writing and machine load for parsing.

With 3 or more dimensions, it's often more productive to craft a UI to 
edit the data, something that's super-easy to do in a tool like LiveCode.

And once you've made a UI for that, the storage format no longer 
matters, so there's no downside to keeping it in LC's native binary LSON 
format.

There are probably dozens of other use cases favoring different formats; 
these are just a couple examples.  None are hard to work with, so we can 
pick and choose each according to the needs of the task at hand.

With LC v9.0.1 being able to examine raw array data during development 
has never been easier, thanks to the recently-fixed tree widget: drop 
one on a card, toss an array into it, see and edit everything easily.



 > The disadvantage is that you need a couple of characters that you know
 > won't be included in either key or value. It doesn't have to be tab
 > and return; you could use "?" and "?" - but if you have any doubts of
 > what your users might ever need to enter, this is an issue.

Aye, and there's the rub: now you've created another format standard. :)

https://xkcd.com/927/

Split and combine work naturally on tabular data where either the first 
column is a key or a sequential integer series can be good keys.

And as long as the data associated with each key is single line it'll 
work wonderfully.

But once element data includes returns, it becomes three dimensional. 
Not too onerous, reasonably efficient, provided you keep in mind a few 
things of the sort you mentioned here, about making sure your delimiters 
will never occur in the data itself, lest you need to escape those 
delimiters, which may at times require a means to escape the escapes.

I spent some much time poking fun at the most common form of that a 
while back, Comma-Separated Values, here:
http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/csv-must-die.html

It's a generally dismissible article unless you enjoy the comically 
strident tone, but the note toward the end may be helpful for choosing 
delimiters at least matching those in fairly common use.


The challenge with any plain-text expression of multidimensional data 
becomes more evident the moment you need more depth beyond three.

And that's why serialization formats were created.

XML led the pack for a long time, offering not only richly hierarchical 
data expression in a universal standard, but with nice extras like 
element attributes.

But the closing and ending tag pairs are cumbersome to write and add 
bulk to every element and sub-element.

So some clever soul decided to come up with a more compact serialization 
that just happened to be parseable using the existing JavaScript engine 
(arguably the most common use case since browsers are where API data is 
most often consumed), and thus JSON was born.

Along the way, MongoDB came up with BSON (Binary JSON) as a means of 
enjoying much of the schema-free flexibility of JSON, but in a binary 
format that was both more compact and much quicker for machines to 
parse, an excellent choice for large-scale storage in a system like 
Mongo (and in some ways the closest match to LC's LSON).

For all of JSON's JS-friendly compactness over XML, hand-writing it can 
be tedious and error-prone, so YAML was invented as the answer for those 
cases where human-writability is a stronger need than parsing efficiency 
(all the rules about white space make it luxuriously readable to humans 
at a minor cost to machines to wade through all that).  YAML is most 
often use for configuration where settings may lend themselves to data 
that might need hierachically-ordered sets deeper than a two-dimentional 
table.

Lots of choices, litte dogma.  Just use whatever works well for what you 
need to do in the moment.

And if you factor data storage through accessors, you can completely 
change the underlying storage format at any time without affecting 
anything else in your code base. Pass in arrays, expect arrays back, and 
what happens in between becomes a black box whose storage details don't 
matter. Go wild, try them all. :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com




From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Jul 31 16:02:49 2018
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:02:49 +0100
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <7348875e-9608-c7af-b9ed-e84daf074de7@fourthworld.com>
References: <6833c71a-6621-de52-6304-a317321c12b5@cogapp.com>
	<7348875e-9608-c7af-b9ed-e84daf074de7@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <11f1aa9b-251c-53fb-14f3-e8847a44fe00@tweedly.net>

On 31/07/2018 20:03, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> For all of JSON's JS-friendly compactness over XML, hand-writing it 
> can be tedious and error-prone, so YAML was invented as the answer for 
> those cases where human-writability is a stronger need than parsing 
> efficiency (all the rules about white space make it luxuriously 
> readable to humans at a minor cost to machines to wade through all 
> that).? YAML is most often use for configuration where settings may 
> lend themselves to data that might need hierachically-ordered sets 
> deeper than a two-dimentional table.
Does anyone have a library to do? array <---> YAML ?

I couldn't find one with Google "livecode YAML" (and various similar 
searches :-)

Thanks
Alex.



From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul 31 16:06:27 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 16:06:27 -0400
Subject: sending javascript to browser widget?
In-Reply-To: <B5C0714B-1A21-4CAE-AC6A-97CE29ED6E39@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKgGptTEs+WuVM9CX1A0D2ZAoQ1VcpYy+9YBD6aE4qgRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5C0714B-1A21-4CAE-AC6A-97CE29ED6E39@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJ6V0h-yzvsw2iyL9B-jM=g-XWrwvFOFejT1wr5VJAARw@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah..... cool.....thanks for that .....I figured as much ,,,,,, it would
make sense why these kinds of protections would exist........ but imagine
what could be done without them...lol....

So how bout those cookies? for the browser?  is there any possible
workaround to log into twitter or facebook using the browser ? and not be
asked the password each time?

I know that accessing  api is the next option....but I actually wanted the
actual sites in a lc browser widget without having to log in every time.

Yeah.... maybe i will do a more detailed search to see what has been posted
on the subject of browser cookies.

maybe its a lc 10 feature ... local storage for browser widgets.  can't a
cookie be a custom property of a browser widget? :D :D :D





On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm going to say that Javascript is written to prevent you from doing
> that. Javascript sandboxes their commands and functions so that only
> certain ones are visible from outside the applications "sandbox". They call
> it Scope and Context.
>
> Here is a good article on it which helped me understand why I could not
> access certain commands and functions outside Acrobat:
>
> http://ryanmorr.com/understanding-scope-and-context-in-javascript/
>
> If you can set a username and password in a web page javascript control,
> then you can probably GET them too. The reason why plugins like password
> managers work is because they operate inside the context of the browser
> application itself. Of course, all of my posts are subject to scrutiny and
> correction.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 31, 2018, at 11:03 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peeps, can anyone clarify for me if its possible to have a browser
> > widget on a card and send javascript commands to it?
> >
> > Can I for example put text (login & password) into fields on the page if
> I
> > know the names of the field controls?
> >
> > Can I trigger the login button?
> >
> > Looking for workarounds for the lack of cookie support in the browser
> > widget. (so i'm trying to do auto login)
> >
> > Unless it does support cookies?!?!!? Will it ever?
> >
> > Thank you.
>
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jul 31 16:30:53 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 16:30:53 -0400
Subject: sending javascript to browser widget?
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJ6V0h-yzvsw2iyL9B-jM=g-XWrwvFOFejT1wr5VJAARw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLKgGptTEs+WuVM9CX1A0D2ZAoQ1VcpYy+9YBD6aE4qgRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5C0714B-1A21-4CAE-AC6A-97CE29ED6E39@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAPzQJLJ6V0h-yzvsw2iyL9B-jM=g-XWrwvFOFejT1wr5VJAARw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLKo9R158S7+pe6G_YBRKbpmtst=UC-gSd77edCmShcm2A@mail.gmail.com>

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Browser-Widget-HTML5-LC-Integration-td4712003.html

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Tom Glod <tom at makeshyft.com> wrote:

> Yeah..... cool.....thanks for that .....I figured as much ,,,,,, it would
> make sense why these kinds of protections would exist........ but imagine
> what could be done without them...lol....
>
> So how bout those cookies? for the browser?  is there any possible
> workaround to log into twitter or facebook using the browser ? and not be
> asked the password each time?
>
> I know that accessing  api is the next option....but I actually wanted the
> actual sites in a lc browser widget without having to log in every time.
>
> Yeah.... maybe i will do a more detailed search to see what has been
> posted on the subject of browser cookies.
>
> maybe its a lc 10 feature ... local storage for browser widgets.  can't a
> cookie be a custom property of a browser widget? :D :D :D
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to say that Javascript is written to prevent you from doing
>> that. Javascript sandboxes their commands and functions so that only
>> certain ones are visible from outside the applications "sandbox". They call
>> it Scope and Context.
>>
>> Here is a good article on it which helped me understand why I could not
>> access certain commands and functions outside Acrobat:
>>
>> http://ryanmorr.com/understanding-scope-and-context-in-javascript/
>>
>> If you can set a username and password in a web page javascript control,
>> then you can probably GET them too. The reason why plugins like password
>> managers work is because they operate inside the context of the browser
>> application itself. Of course, all of my posts are subject to scrutiny and
>> correction.
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 31, 2018, at 11:03 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Peeps, can anyone clarify for me if its possible to have a browser
>> > widget on a card and send javascript commands to it?
>> >
>> > Can I for example put text (login & password) into fields on the page
>> if I
>> > know the names of the field controls?
>> >
>> > Can I trigger the login button?
>> >
>> > Looking for workarounds for the lack of cookie support in the browser
>> > widget. (so i'm trying to do auto login)
>> >
>> > Unless it does support cookies?!?!!? Will it ever?
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>


From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jul 31 16:48:43 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 15:48:43 -0500
Subject: Data Persistence
In-Reply-To: <11f1aa9b-251c-53fb-14f3-e8847a44fe00@tweedly.net>
References: <6833c71a-6621-de52-6304-a317321c12b5@cogapp.com>
	<7348875e-9608-c7af-b9ed-e84daf074de7@fourthworld.com>
	<11f1aa9b-251c-53fb-14f3-e8847a44fe00@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <1177226c-bd47-4b6c-941b-0beafa0e29a7@Spark>

Here is one direction...

yamlFileToArray
https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/blob/master/framework/levure.livecodescript

Thanks,
Brian
On Jul 31, 2018, 3:03 PM -0500, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> On 31/07/2018 20:03, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> > For all of JSON's JS-friendly compactness over XML, hand-writing it
> > can be tedious and error-prone, so YAML was invented as the answer for
> > those cases where human-writability is a stronger need than parsing
> > efficiency (all the rules about white space make it luxuriously
> > readable to humans at a minor cost to machines to wade through all
> > that).? YAML is most often use for configuration where settings may
> > lend themselves to data that might need hierachically-ordered sets
> > deeper than a two-dimentional table.
> Does anyone have a library to do? array <---> YAML ?
>
> I couldn't find one with Google "livecode YAML" (and various similar
> searches :-)
>
> Thanks
> Alex.
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 31 18:16:29 2018
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:16:29 +0000
Subject: Camera on iPad error?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1533031203.24940.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1533031203.24940.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <HKXPR03MB2246E75E8292D909C924C3DCA52E0@HKXPR03MB2246.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>

No, nothing to do with sockets from me. Any other ideas? I'm presuming that WiFi + IP6 isn't relevant to camera operation.

cheers

Alan

> On 31 Jul 2018, at 3:00 am, Monte via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Very odd that it would be IPv6 related. Are you doing anything with sockets?
> 
>> On 31 Jul 2018, at 10:22 am, Alan via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I've submitted an app update to the Apple store and have been rejected with the following error:
>> 
>> "We discovered one or more bugs in your app when reviewed on iPad running iOS 11.4.1 on Wi-Fi connected to an IPv6 network.
>> 
>> Specifically, when tapping on the camera button, no further action took place."
>> 
>> I'm using mobilePickPhoto to call up the camera with LC 9.0 - has anyone else seen this problem?
>> 
>> cheers
>> 
>> Alan




From dougr at telus.net  Tue Jul 31 18:31:04 2018
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas Ruisaard)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 15:31:04 -0700
Subject: datagrid form question
Message-ID: <106f01d4291e$2c58ecd0$850ac670$@net>

Using LC v8.1.9 on Windows 7 pro

"Where" do I send a "mouseup" message on a datagrid form which has scrolled lines... i.e.:

send "mouseUp 1" to xxxx

I know it sounds like a ridiculously simple question (and likely is) but a datagrid form seems to create a "Row Template" group for each populated row... i.e. "Row Template 0001", "Row Template 0002"... etc. UNTIL it reaches a row which is outside of the visible rows.... it then starts to create "duplicate" templates. For example, if there are 6 populated rows and the DataGrid is sized to only show 3 rows at a time, upon the initialization of the Datagrid, the Row templates groups are named:

row 1:  "Row Template 0001" 
row 2:  "Row Template 0002"
row 3:  "Row Template 0003"
row 4:  "Row Template 0004"
row 5:  "Row Template 0005"
row 6:  "Row Template 0001"
row 7:  "Row Template 0002"
row 8:  "Row Template 0003"

this is demonstrated by putting a "put me" in the Behavior Script within a MouseUp handler.

So... the "simple" issue is that if I "manufacture" the Row Template name based on the row to which I want to send the "mouseUp" command it works perfectly for the "visible" rows... even the next 2 rows (which I have scrolled into view via:
 set the dgHilitedLines of group "DataGrid 1" to y
 put the dgIndexOfLine[y] of group "DataGrid 1" into x

where "x" and "y" are throw-away variables ... which scrolls the appropriate row into view (for some reason)) ... if I try:

 dispatch "ScrollLineIntoView" to group "DataGrid 1" with pLine" 

... my row data doesn't populate properly ... which I may ask about another time.

BUT, for the 6th and subsequent lines I have to "wrap" the group names according to the pattern above.  i.e. for the sixth line, I manufacture "Row Template 0001", etc.

Since this "wrap-point" changes based on the "amount" of the datagrid I "expose", this doesn't lend itself to a very nice supportable project.

No doubt I'm approaching this wrong but I'm trying to teach myself datagrids and it's a struggle for this old brain!

Douglas Ruisaard
Trilogy Software
(250) 573-3935






From dougr at telus.net  Tue Jul 31 20:57:08 2018
From: dougr at telus.net (Douglas Ruisaard)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 17:57:08 -0700
Subject: datagrid form question
Message-ID: <107601d42932$93f11160$bbd33420$@net>

I realized belatedly that I didn't do a very good job (at all) of describing what one of the row's in my grid looks like... it may be relevant to a solution.

Each row has 1 checkbox, 3 fields and 2 buttons.
One of the buttons (the one I need assistance with), named "Query" calls a "tsnet" function to query a remote WiFi module (esp8266) to return the status of one of the IO pins on the wifi module.  Works like a charm on ALL rows, scrolled or not... becuse (I reckon) the button is actually *IN* the grid, so there's no issue with the group name.. it is always "me".

I also want to "automate" the queries (there are 8 such wifi modules involved).  So I have a button outside of the datagrid which selects each row of the populated datagrid and sends the "mouseUp 1" message to the datagrid (described in my previous message under this subject)

It is THAT loop which manufactures the Row Template group names.  It is THAT loop which has to know (at this time) which line/row it needs to "wrap" the group name back to "...0001"

Douglas Ruisaard
Trilogy Software
(250) 573-3935






From james at thehales.id.au  Tue Jul 31 21:03:28 2018
From: james at thehales.id.au (James At The Hale)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 11:03:28 +1000
Subject: Quicktime on PC stuttering during Video displays
Message-ID: <9261AB3B-571D-4971-AEA0-7434C58B9344@thehales.id.au>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> I hope that  my LiveCode status of 5.5 (can't afford LiveCode updates)
> is not going to restrict me in any way.

Unless you want your stacks/apps to be closed source you can use the latest community release. The license payment is only required if you want to lock up your code. Apps made with the community version can still be sold they only require you make the source code available.

James