From bogdanoff at me.com  Mon Jan  1 03:39:29 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 00:39:29 -0800
Subject: lineHeight different Mac vs. Windows
In-Reply-To: <612e0810-8e08-ecbe-206b-93b5ee364d9e@warrensweb.us>
References: <0D959DEE-6D90-402C-951C-483FA8AADDAE@me.com>
	<612e0810-8e08-ecbe-206b-93b5ee364d9e@warrensweb.us>
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My page layout is fixed ? no user settings of font face or size. Also the card height doesn?t have room for text fields to get taller. And there was the design decision not to show scroll bars.

Text also often has ?widows? at the bottom of the field when the text was formatted for Mac but is displayed in Windows. Thus my desire to adjust the Windows text to get it to flow similarly to the Mac (where it was authored).

This is an old-school desktop application with serious content! My heritage is the 1990s Voyager Company?s CD-ROM programs where titles were designed to be book-like.

Peter

> On Dec 31, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Warren Samples via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 12/31/2017 03:11 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:
>>  text sometimes flows off the bottom of the field. Changing the font size is too extreme a change and doesn?t fix widows.
>> I?m trying to conceive of a method of somehow creating page metadata that reformats the Windows text?possibly adjusting field width, arbitrary carriage returns to move text, changing the text size of space characters, etc., all in an attempt to make the Windows version text display more of less the same as Mac. But the problem of line height difference is otherwise unfixable by me.
> 
> 
> Linux users also often face the problem where LC developers share stacks where multi-line text wraps below the bottom of fields with fixed height.
> 
> Can you set the field height to the formattedHeight and auto-show scrollbars as necessary when you load the field's contents? That ordinarily solves the problem. I would protest efforts to mess with user font selection, be it fontface or size and suggest you try to make it adaptive. Fontface and size can be elements the user has good reasons to set for himself.
> 
> 
> Warren
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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Jan  1 11:03:28 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 17:03:28 +0100
Subject: Error deleting a stack
Message-ID: <35390127-9E38-40F1-9EC1-8D1D497EED10@mac.com>

Happy New Year to all!

I have a bit of script that says

 delete stack ?myStack?

This runs in a mainstack (not the one I?m trying to delete, ?myStack?, which I?ll call the target), but the path by which this script was invoked was started in a menu item in the target. I get error 377 ?stack locked or object?s script is executing?. The target stack?s ?cantDelete' property is false, its ?destroyStack' and ?destroyWindow' properties are true.

The thing is, this used to work, probably in the LC 7 series. It never went wrong, so presumably something?s changed in the engine. I accept that it doesn?t work now, but I need to get the target stack definitively out of memory, and I don?t think just closing it does that.

Can anyone help with this?

TIA

Graham


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 11:38:54 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 09:38:54 -0700
Subject: Error deleting a stack
In-Reply-To: <35390127-9E38-40F1-9EC1-8D1D497EED10@mac.com>
References: <35390127-9E38-40F1-9EC1-8D1D497EED10@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpkVD-QGio1+VmErBogpvYfJ43RGBmJNc2Q6dji8btT+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Try using a send in time to do the deletion?  Also, with the settings you
currently have, closing the stack SHOULD remove it from memory once any
running scripts are complete.

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 9:03 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Happy New Year to all!
>
> I have a bit of script that says
>
>  delete stack ?myStack?
>
> This runs in a mainstack (not the one I?m trying to delete, ?myStack?,
> which I?ll call the target), but the path by which this script was invoked
> was started in a menu item in the target. I get error 377 ?stack locked or
> object?s script is executing?. The target stack?s ?cantDelete' property is
> false, its ?destroyStack' and ?destroyWindow' properties are true.
>
> The thing is, this used to work, probably in the LC 7 series. It never
> went wrong, so presumably something?s changed in the engine. I accept that
> it doesn?t work now, but I need to get the target stack definitively out of
> memory, and I don?t think just closing it does that.
>
> Can anyone help with this?
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 13:46:43 2018
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 10:46:43 -0800
Subject: Error deleting a stack
In-Reply-To: <35390127-9E38-40F1-9EC1-8D1D497EED10@mac.com>
References: <35390127-9E38-40F1-9EC1-8D1D497EED10@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGc2K0dOXoN3NZVeoBO6+8zj0xCVV2Nyuknv+j_iS8vpg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>The thing is, this used to work, probably in the LC 7 series.

I think that is the error here--it shouldn't be possible to delete the
stack containing a target while that target's script is running.

For my transient stacks, it's

send ("delete stack " & the short name of this stack) to stack "mcp" in 0



(where "mcp" is the main stack with routines, etc.)
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 13:55:40 2018
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 10:55:40 -0800
Subject: screenloc not actually centered after changing scalefactor (was
	Screen Resolution for Desktop Apps)
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxkSiBa64PmwtOVhz=Qk7+uMuPaf5qmVrkX88eyMM8kmdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxkY34qDL+d8wf8wot89mk4jPJvK4oLjFa0bybkiRRbpmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<aebfb277-8069-4688-a14c-7ec5a9fcdc3d@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGeTkxkSiBa64PmwtOVhz=Qk7+uMuPaf5qmVrkX88eyMM8kmdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEdVmHyL9c8=iFELiDGkEeJYxt6-8a7ax=peai81PZkuA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> To do "some calculations", I thought of comparing the loc to the
> scalefactor. So ran the standalone on three devices, but saw no consistent
> corelation between the differing locs and the scalefactor.
>
> I took a stab at it a few years ago, and failed.

I found no coherent relationship between the location on my iMac screen and
what livecode reported once I changed  the scaleFactor of the stack.  With
each 10% increase, the stack seems to move (usually) right, and also up or
down, possibly causing the menubar to be above the screen.

I also see an intermittent issue that livecode things the mouse pointer is
about an inch higher on the screen than it is, but the horizontal seems
correct.  This also seems be be limited to browse rather than select mode.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 14:01:04 2018
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 11:01:04 -0800
Subject: delete the customproperty (of a card)
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxkLjTVS-wojCLQQuzUyqbKd87n2k6BQssc=m1beBfsvSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <515667E1-5ECB-4DC4-B457-EF5ECB9799D1@hyperhh.de>
	<f5fcd005-92c4-565e-037b-1e6c71f2a06f@gmail.com>
	<70ef7d64-960c-97b7-1acc-c97902936b0f@gmail.com>
	<CAGeTkxmVuh+WXE4UGNPczrNq8T7a2Pf+oL39h+J2Zf9n1XytfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGeTkxkLjTVS-wojCLQQuzUyqbKd87n2k6BQssc=m1beBfsvSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGhAeyRbfyXjZjvWmWCmuy8rg7zXj2_vCowq9RU1ediGg@mail.gmail.com>

For removing a single property while leaving the rest intact, I have a
library routine rmProp.

on rmProp prop, tgt

--remove a property from the basic property set

local props

if tgt is empty then

put the long id of me nto tgt

end if

put the customProperties of tgt into props

repeat for each word prp in prop

delete variable props[prp]

end repeat

set the customProperties of tgt to props

end rmProp



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan  1 17:23:58 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 16:23:58 -0600
Subject: lineHeight different Mac vs. Windows
In-Reply-To: <1BA3E3CC-ACC6-4A35-B029-546D0905DBC7@me.com>
References: <0D959DEE-6D90-402C-951C-483FA8AADDAE@me.com>
	<612e0810-8e08-ecbe-206b-93b5ee364d9e@warrensweb.us>
	<1BA3E3CC-ACC6-4A35-B029-546D0905DBC7@me.com>
Message-ID: <c8f01fe5-3866-6313-f258-42cc4314bc60@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/1/18 2:39 AM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:
> My page layout is fixed ? no user settings of font face or size. Also the card height doesn?t have room for text fields to get taller. And there was the design decision not to show scroll bars.
> 
> Text also often has ?widows? at the bottom of the field when the text was formatted for Mac but is displayed in Windows. Thus my desire to adjust the Windows text to get it to flow similarly to the Mac (where it was authored).

The old-school method was to find a font size and textheight that 
matches what you see on Mac, and on preOpenStack, set the text 
properties based on platform.

It used to be that Windows fonts displayed larger and/or wider than the 
same-named Mac fonts. That may have changed recently; my client says 
Windows fonts are smaller now. At any rate, do some experimentation on 
Windows to see if you can adjust the flow using textsize and textheight, 
or by experimenting with different fonts.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From bogdanoff at me.com  Mon Jan  1 18:04:59 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 15:04:59 -0800
Subject: lineHeight different Mac vs. Windows
In-Reply-To: <c8f01fe5-3866-6313-f258-42cc4314bc60@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <0D959DEE-6D90-402C-951C-483FA8AADDAE@me.com>
	<612e0810-8e08-ecbe-206b-93b5ee364d9e@warrensweb.us>
	<1BA3E3CC-ACC6-4A35-B029-546D0905DBC7@me.com>
	<c8f01fe5-3866-6313-f258-42cc4314bc60@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <71F0E421-FEFD-48D5-BBB5-4761F5505679@me.com>

I think that the size difference is related to the specific font used. Georgia is displaying slightly wider in Windows than Mac. Helvetica seems pretty consistent. A Chinese font I use is much smaller in Windows.

Changing Georgia from 16 to 15 is too drastic a change for me, so I need to keep the font size the same.

I can?t set the textHeight since I have to set fixedLineHeight to false so I can display thumbnail images within the text.

I suspect that the space between lines when fixedLineHeight is false is determined by the specific font metrics, something LiveCode can?t or doesn?t want to override. I haven?t done a test of various fonts comparing the Windows vs. Mac ?free? line spacing. Maybe there is a constant among them all?

Peter


> On Jan 1, 2018, at 2:23 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 1/1/18 2:39 AM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:
>> My page layout is fixed ? no user settings of font face or size. Also the card height doesn?t have room for text fields to get taller. And there was the design decision not to show scroll bars.
>> Text also often has ?widows? at the bottom of the field when the text was formatted for Mac but is displayed in Windows. Thus my desire to adjust the Windows text to get it to flow similarly to the Mac (where it was authored).
> 
> The old-school method was to find a font size and textheight that matches what you see on Mac, and on preOpenStack, set the text properties based on platform.
> 
> It used to be that Windows fonts displayed larger and/or wider than the same-named Mac fonts. That may have changed recently; my client says Windows fonts are smaller now. At any rate, do some experimentation on Windows to see if you can adjust the flow using textsize and textheight, or by experimenting with different fonts.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan  1 18:34:26 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 17:34:26 -0600
Subject: screenloc not actually centered after changing scalefactor (was
	Screen Resolution for Desktop Apps)
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxkSiBa64PmwtOVhz=Qk7+uMuPaf5qmVrkX88eyMM8kmdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxkY34qDL+d8wf8wot89mk4jPJvK4oLjFa0bybkiRRbpmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<aebfb277-8069-4688-a14c-7ec5a9fcdc3d@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGeTkxkSiBa64PmwtOVhz=Qk7+uMuPaf5qmVrkX88eyMM8kmdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5cd50ff-20ea-1308-1a1f-31d12085015d@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/31/17 7:31 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode wrote:
> To do "some calculations", I thought of comparing the loc to the
> scalefactor. So ran the standalone on three devices, but saw no consistent
> corelation between the differing locs and the scalefactor.
> 
> So, still no clue what to use for these calculations...

My math skills are terrible so we need someone more clever to fix my 
calculation. But this seems to work for most scalefactors until you get 
down to about 0.6 or lower:

on setloc pScale
   -- pScale = the desired scaleFactor
   put the screenloc into tSLoc
   if pScale <= 1 then
     put 1 + (1-pScale) into tRatio
   else
     put 1/pScale into tRatio
   end if
   put item 1 of tSLoc * tRatio into item 1 of tNewLoc
   put item 2 of tSLoc * tRatio into item 2 of tNewLoc
   set the scalefactor of this stack to pScale
   set the loc of this stack to tNewLoc
end setloc

I'm pretty sure there's a way to calculate the ratio without the "if" 
clause so that it works for both large and small scales and I'm not sure 
why it breaks at about 0.6. Hopefully one of our math gurus can advise.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan  1 18:39:06 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 17:39:06 -0600
Subject: lineHeight different Mac vs. Windows
In-Reply-To: <71F0E421-FEFD-48D5-BBB5-4761F5505679@me.com>
References: <0D959DEE-6D90-402C-951C-483FA8AADDAE@me.com>
	<612e0810-8e08-ecbe-206b-93b5ee364d9e@warrensweb.us>
	<1BA3E3CC-ACC6-4A35-B029-546D0905DBC7@me.com>
	<c8f01fe5-3866-6313-f258-42cc4314bc60@hyperactivesw.com>
	<71F0E421-FEFD-48D5-BBB5-4761F5505679@me.com>
Message-ID: <b867c49b-98f8-b5bd-c78e-2d2ae7147828@hyperactivesw.com>

I wonder if you could figure out a general ratio for the size difference 
and adjust the width of the field to correct the text wrap on Windows. 
That's about all I can think of.

On 1/1/18 5:04 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:
> I think that the size difference is related to the specific font used. Georgia is displaying slightly wider in Windows than Mac. Helvetica seems pretty consistent. A Chinese font I use is much smaller in Windows.
> 
> Changing Georgia from 16 to 15 is too drastic a change for me, so I need to keep the font size the same.
> 
> I can?t set the textHeight since I have to set fixedLineHeight to false so I can display thumbnail images within the text.
> 
> I suspect that the space between lines when fixedLineHeight is false is determined by the specific font metrics, something LiveCode can?t or doesn?t want to override. I haven?t done a test of various fonts comparing the Windows vs. Mac ?free? line spacing. Maybe there is a constant among them all?


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From bogdanoff at me.com  Mon Jan  1 18:54:44 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 15:54:44 -0800
Subject: lineHeight different Mac vs. Windows
In-Reply-To: <b867c49b-98f8-b5bd-c78e-2d2ae7147828@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <0D959DEE-6D90-402C-951C-483FA8AADDAE@me.com>
	<612e0810-8e08-ecbe-206b-93b5ee364d9e@warrensweb.us>
	<1BA3E3CC-ACC6-4A35-B029-546D0905DBC7@me.com>
	<c8f01fe5-3866-6313-f258-42cc4314bc60@hyperactivesw.com>
	<71F0E421-FEFD-48D5-BBB5-4761F5505679@me.com>
	<b867c49b-98f8-b5bd-c78e-2d2ae7147828@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <39D03AFE-A10E-410C-9C3D-C76344E6D065@me.com>

Yes, I am actually adjusting the field width individually for each ?page.? But it doesn?t solve the problem of occasional ?widows? at the bottom. Thus the thought about other formatting work arounds.

Thanks, Jacque.


> On Jan 1, 2018, at 3:39 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if you could figure out a general ratio for the size difference and adjust the width of the field to correct the text wrap on Windows. That's about all I can think of.
> 
> On 1/1/18 5:04 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:
>> I think that the size difference is related to the specific font used. Georgia is displaying slightly wider in Windows than Mac. Helvetica seems pretty consistent. A Chinese font I use is much smaller in Windows.
>> Changing Georgia from 16 to 15 is too drastic a change for me, so I need to keep the font size the same.
>> I can?t set the textHeight since I have to set fixedLineHeight to false so I can display thumbnail images within the text.
>> I suspect that the space between lines when fixedLineHeight is false is determined by the specific font metrics, something LiveCode can?t or doesn?t want to override. I haven?t done a test of various fonts comparing the Windows vs. Mac ?free? line spacing. Maybe there is a constant among them all?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jan  1 22:48:30 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 03:48:30 +0000
Subject: Go in Window (not working)  Go in A window "working"
Message-ID: <6E5F5B5D-AF01-4756-B742-B97593EEBA17@hindu.org>

Mark recommends using "go in window" on Mobile,
saying this closes stack A while going to open stack B

This works on desktop

put ("stack " & quote & gems & quote) into tDestination
go tDestination  # but stack A remains open.


but this fails in a backscript

put ("stack " & quote & gems & quote) into tDestination;
go to tDestination in window

Script error,  though the dictionary seems to indicate this is correct syntax.

so that I test in the msg box?and also passing by ref which we need to do.
the problem is not using "a"

put ("stack " & quote & gems & quote) into tDestination; go tDestination in window # fails
put ("stack " & quote & gems & quote) into tDestination; go tDestination in a window  # works But stack A is still open?(on desktop)

thinking it was because this was being called from a library, text only script (which has no window)

I created a button the top of the main stack

on mouseup
   go to stack "gems" in window
end mouseup

# also fails

on mouseup
   go to stack "gems" in a window  # this worked?but stack A remains open on desktop
end mouseup


but doesn't this entry indicate "a" is optional?

go [invisible] [to] card<lcs,card,> [of stack<lcs,stack,>] [{as mode<lcs,mode,> |in [a] new window|in window}]

and in any case.  the firs stack stays open so the goal of only keeping one stack in memory is "defeated" either way..

so ? back to this:

go cardOrStackObject # e.g go "gems" (or this string) go card 3 of "gems"
wait 100 milliseconds with messages
close stack oStackName
wait 100 milliseconds with messages

Any clues to using Go in window to close stack 1 and open stack 2?











From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jan  2 00:03:06 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2018 21:03:06 -0800
Subject: Go in Window (not working) Go in A window "working"
In-Reply-To: <6E5F5B5D-AF01-4756-B742-B97593EEBA17@hindu.org>
References: <6E5F5B5D-AF01-4756-B742-B97593EEBA17@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <babed4fb-c4f9-5c2d-41eb-86e62205dc4c@sonic.net>

On 01/01/2018 07:48 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Mark recommends using "go in window" on Mobile,
> saying this closes stack A while going to open stack B
> 
> This works on desktop
> 
> put ("stack " & quote & gems & quote) into tDestination
> go tDestination  # but stack A remains open.
> 
> 
> but this fails in a backscript
> 
> put ("stack " & quote & gems & quote) into tDestination;
> go to tDestination in window
> 
> Script error,  though the dictionary seems to indicate this is correct syntax.

Well, the dictionary leaves a bit to the imagination.
It also says

Name: window
Description:
The name or windowID property of any open stack. If a window is
specified, the stack opens in that window, replacing the stack that was
previously displayed in that window.

So I believe what you want (untested) is something more like
go to tDestination in <stackName>
or
go to tDestination in <windowID>

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Jan  2 06:00:06 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 12:00:06 +0100
Subject: Uninstaller question
Message-ID: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>

I?m developing a very simple uninstaller for a Mac app. I have an installer, thanks to DropDMG. 

The uninstallation process isn?t difficult - it?s just a matter of deleting all the involved files (some are slightly tricky to find, like dock aliases, but I guess there?s a way around that). But there?s one issue that I?m unsure about: what to do if the user has not obeyed the installer's instructions to place the app in the Applications folder, or has maybe got a beta copy that wasn?t installed using the installer, or has made a ?spare? copy somewhere on their hard disk which I don?t know about. I can?t see any way to detect these ?rogue? copies - can anyone else think of one? I know there are some big hitters in this area like CleanMyMac that claim to be able to find everything to do with an installed app, but I am not that ambitious - I just don?t want to miss anything obvious.

Any help would be appreciated.

Graham

PS When I crack this, I?ll have to do the same thing for a PC version of the app. But first things first.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 07:45:44 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 14:45:44 +0200
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>
References: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <962622f5-257d-dd5a-20d3-f29d78e9a682@gmail.com>

I suppose you would have to search the end-user's machine for all 
instances of "myStack.livecode", and that seems
a risky business as the end-user might have other LiveCode stacks on 
their machine that are needed to do something else.

Richmond.

On 2/1/2018 1:00 pm, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
> I?m developing a very simple uninstaller for a Mac app. I have an installer, thanks to DropDMG.
>
> The uninstallation process isn?t difficult - it?s just a matter of deleting all the involved files (some are slightly tricky to find, like dock aliases, but I guess there?s a way around that). But there?s one issue that I?m unsure about: what to do if the user has not obeyed the installer's instructions to place the app in the Applications folder, or has maybe got a beta copy that wasn?t installed using the installer, or has made a ?spare? copy somewhere on their hard disk which I don?t know about. I can?t see any way to detect these ?rogue? copies - can anyone else think of one? I know there are some big hitters in this area like CleanMyMac that claim to be able to find everything to do with an installed app, but I am not that ambitious - I just don?t want to miss anything obvious.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Graham
>
> PS When I crack this, I?ll have to do the same thing for a PC version of the app. But first things first.
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From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Jan  2 08:33:36 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 14:33:36 +0100
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <962622f5-257d-dd5a-20d3-f29d78e9a682@gmail.com>
References: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>
	<962622f5-257d-dd5a-20d3-f29d78e9a682@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C75A08A9-8317-4E1A-AE5A-3709BFF46E2B@mac.com>

Yes, that would be a bad strategy. I think anyway I wouldn?t be looking for stacks but for complied applications - the kind of stuff you get in the Applications folder on a Mac. If there were stacks, then for a runnable app they would be in very specific places (application support type folders). No, it?s the rogue executable I?m looking for?

Thanks for the reply

Cheers

Graham

> On 2 Jan 2018, at 13:45, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I suppose you would have to search the end-user's machine for all instances of "myStack.livecode", and that seems
> a risky business as the end-user might have other LiveCode stacks on their machine that are needed to do something else.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 2/1/2018 1:00 pm, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
>> I?m developing a very simple uninstaller for a Mac app. I have an installer, thanks to DropDMG.
>> 
>> The uninstallation process isn?t difficult - it?s just a matter of deleting all the involved files (some are slightly tricky to find, like dock aliases, but I guess there?s a way around that). But there?s one issue that I?m unsure about: what to do if the user has not obeyed the installer's instructions to place the app in the Applications folder, or has maybe got a beta copy that wasn?t installed using the installer, or has made a ?spare? copy somewhere on their hard disk which I don?t know about. I can?t see any way to detect these ?rogue? copies - can anyone else think of one? I know there are some big hitters in this area like CleanMyMac that claim to be able to find everything to do with an installed app, but I am not that ambitious - I just don?t want to miss anything obvious.
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> PS When I crack this, I?ll have to do the same thing for a PC version of the app. But first things first.
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 09:13:17 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 16:13:17 +0200
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <C75A08A9-8317-4E1A-AE5A-3709BFF46E2B@mac.com>
References: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>
	<962622f5-257d-dd5a-20d3-f29d78e9a682@gmail.com>
	<C75A08A9-8317-4E1A-AE5A-3709BFF46E2B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <572a1a8a-1834-8090-5b38-1b22677cd88f@gmail.com>

Well, preumably the "clever" thing to do is to gave your standalone some 
unique name such as  "WildBoar.exe" or somesuch,
rather than a very pedesrian name such as "MyProg.exe" which risks 
having a twin.

Then you'll need a routine to search the end-user's system to find all 
examples of WildBoar.exe and delete them.

As you have pointed out, your executable may have been plonking log and 
pref files in various places: and it shouldn't
really matter where the end-user has stored the original executable; 
they should be in standard places determined by
your executable.

What I think you MUST do is make sure any log, temp and pref files have 
"speicies specific" names so that
your uninstaller can track them down, dlete them, and NOT delete the 
end-user's preferences for their
browser settings or what-have-ye.

--------------------------------

So . . .

1. Make your executable/standalone for whatever operating system(s) you 
are building it.

2. Set up a computer for each target OS with a virgin system and install 
your executable.

3. Find ALL the log, temp, cache and pref files your executable "strews" 
around the system
and write their names down and their usual locations.

4. Go on a 4 week holiday to recover from the large amount of work 
involved in doing that.

Richmond.


On 2/1/2018 3:33 pm, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
> Yes, that would be a bad strategy. I think anyway I wouldn?t be looking for stacks but for complied applications - the kind of stuff you get in the Applications folder on a Mac. If there were stacks, then for a runnable app they would be in very specific places (application support type folders). No, it?s the rogue executable I?m looking for?
>
> Thanks for the reply
>
> Cheers
>
> Graham
>
>> On 2 Jan 2018, at 13:45, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I suppose you would have to search the end-user's machine for all instances of "myStack.livecode", and that seems
>> a risky business as the end-user might have other LiveCode stacks on their machine that are needed to do something else.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> On 2/1/2018 1:00 pm, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I?m developing a very simple uninstaller for a Mac app. I have an installer, thanks to DropDMG.
>>>
>>> The uninstallation process isn?t difficult - it?s just a matter of deleting all the involved files (some are slightly tricky to find, like dock aliases, but I guess there?s a way around that). But there?s one issue that I?m unsure about: what to do if the user has not obeyed the installer's instructions to place the app in the Applications folder, or has maybe got a beta copy that wasn?t installed using the installer, or has made a ?spare? copy somewhere on their hard disk which I don?t know about. I can?t see any way to detect these ?rogue? copies - can anyone else think of one? I know there are some big hitters in this area like CleanMyMac that claim to be able to find everything to do with an installed app, but I am not that ambitious - I just don?t want to miss anything obvious.
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> PS When I crack this, I?ll have to do the same thing for a PC version of the app. But first things first.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Tue Jan  2 10:18:33 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:18:33 -0500
Subject: lineHeight different Mac vs. Windows
In-Reply-To: <39D03AFE-A10E-410C-9C3D-C76344E6D065@me.com>
References: <0D959DEE-6D90-402C-951C-483FA8AADDAE@me.com>	<612e0810-8e08-ecbe-206b-93b5ee364d9e@warrensweb.us>	<1BA3E3CC-ACC6-4A35-B029-546D0905DBC7@me.com>	<c8f01fe5-3866-6313-f258-42cc4314bc60@hyperactivesw.com>	<71F0E421-FEFD-48D5-BBB5-4761F5505679@me.com>	<b867c49b-98f8-b5bd-c78e-2d2ae7147828@hyperactivesw.com>
	<39D03AFE-A10E-410C-9C3D-C76344E6D065@me.com>
Message-ID: <007a01d383dc$f7512390$e5f36ab0$@net>

I have 2 bug reports on this. 12176 and 13551

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net




From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Jan  2 10:38:57 2018
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:38:57 -0500
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>
References: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>

Hi Graham,

Most applications on the Mac do not have uninstaller as
they are usually very easy to uninstall by deleting the
application.  Most users are smart enough to know they
have to delete any aliases in the dock.  They usually know
that the prefs file for the application should be deleted
as well if they run into problems.

Many times a good support webpage with clear instructions
on how to completely delete the app and how to install
the new version correctly is all that is needed.  You can
also remind users how to use the ?Find? File menu option
in the Finder to look for your rogue versions if you feel
it is necessary. 

You can always tag your files with some information which
will always be unique to your program.  If you use the
?Find? File menu option, and then click on options you
will find a whole list of potential meta-data fields you
could exploit to create your unique program profile.

Never recommend Mac Keeper or Mac Cleaner as they
are considered to be Malware/Spyware/Annoyance-ware
and are difficult for some users to eradicate.

Good luck!

Rick






> On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m developing a very simple uninstaller for a Mac app. I have an installer, thanks to DropDMG. 
> 
> The uninstallation process isn?t difficult - it?s just a matter of deleting all the involved files (some are slightly tricky to find, like dock aliases, but I guess there?s a way around that). But there?s one issue that I?m unsure about: what to do if the user has not obeyed the installer's instructions to place the app in the Applications folder, or has maybe got a beta copy that wasn?t installed using the installer, or has made a ?spare? copy somewhere on their hard disk which I don?t know about. I can?t see any way to detect these ?rogue? copies - can anyone else think of one? I know there are some big hitters in this area like CleanMyMac that claim to be able to find everything to do with an installed app, but I am not that ambitious - I just don?t want to miss anything obvious.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Graham
> 
> PS When I crack this, I?ll have to do the same thing for a PC version of the app. But first things first.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 12:20:47 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 19:20:47 +0200
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>
References: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>
	<0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <08fe42fe-aee2-f040-bef5-8e85cc210c6a@gmail.com>



On 2/1/2018 5:38 pm, Rick Harrison via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Graham,
>
> Most applications on the Mac do not have uninstaller as
> they are usually very easy to uninstall by deleting the
> application.  Most users are smart enough to know they
> have to delete any aliases in the dock.  They usually know
> that the prefs file for the application should be deleted
> as well if they run into problems.
>
> Many times a good support webpage with clear instructions
> on how to completely delete the app and how to install
> the new version correctly is all that is needed.  You can
> also remind users how to use the ?Find? File menu option
> in the Finder to look for your rogue versions if you feel
> it is necessary.
>
> You can always tag your files with some information which
> will always be unique to your program.  If you use the
> ?Find? File menu option, and then click on options you
> will find a whole list of potential meta-data fields you
> could exploit to create your unique program profile.
>
> Never recommend Mac Keeper or Mac Cleaner as they
> are considered to be Malware/Spyware/Annoyance-ware
> and are difficult for some users to eradicate.

Indeed: these are terrible, as well as the fact that I get spam windows 
in my browsers for them.

Richmond.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I?m developing a very simple uninstaller for a Mac app. I have an installer, thanks to DropDMG.
>>
>> The uninstallation process isn?t difficult - it?s just a matter of deleting all the involved files (some are slightly tricky to find, like dock aliases, but I guess there?s a way around that). But there?s one issue that I?m unsure about: what to do if the user has not obeyed the installer's instructions to place the app in the Applications folder, or has maybe got a beta copy that wasn?t installed using the installer, or has made a ?spare? copy somewhere on their hard disk which I don?t know about. I can?t see any way to detect these ?rogue? copies - can anyone else think of one? I know there are some big hitters in this area like CleanMyMac that claim to be able to find everything to do with an installed app, but I am not that ambitious - I just don?t want to miss anything obvious.
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> PS When I crack this, I?ll have to do the same thing for a PC version of the app. But first things first.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan  2 12:37:36 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:37:36 -0800
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>
References: <0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <56026313-e347-4aba-fdfe-6dfdd343ea0c@fourthworld.com>

Rick Harrison wrote:

 > Never recommend Mac Keeper or Mac Cleaner as they
 > are considered to be Malware/Spyware/Annoyance-ware
 > and are difficult for some users to eradicate.

Add Kaspersky to that list:

UK cyber security chief warns government against using Kaspersky
<https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/02/uk-cyber-security-kaspersky-warning/>


Kaspersky Lab Antivirus Software Is Ordered Off U.S. Government Computers
<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/kaspersky-lab-antivirus-federal-government.html>


Israeli intelligence warned US of Russian spies using Kaspersky software
<https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/kaspersky-russia-israel-nsa>


Kaspersky Lab Has Been Working With Russian Intelligence
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-11/kaspersky-lab-has-been-working-with-russian-intelligence>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 12:43:28 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 19:43:28 +0200
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <56026313-e347-4aba-fdfe-6dfdd343ea0c@fourthworld.com>
References: <0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>
	<56026313-e347-4aba-fdfe-6dfdd343ea0c@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3c321bac-f741-4ed8-16c3-191be53ae882@gmail.com>

I really wonder what the Russians would do withmy LiveCode files?

They would probably bring down Putin: and in my opinion, at least, that 
might not be a bad thing.

Richmond.

On 2/1/2018 7:37 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Rick Harrison wrote:
>
> > Never recommend Mac Keeper or Mac Cleaner as they
> > are considered to be Malware/Spyware/Annoyance-ware
> > and are difficult for some users to eradicate.
>
> Add Kaspersky to that list:
>
> UK cyber security chief warns government against using Kaspersky
> <https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/02/uk-cyber-security-kaspersky-warning/> 
>
>
>
> Kaspersky Lab Antivirus Software Is Ordered Off U.S. Government Computers
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/kaspersky-lab-antivirus-federal-government.html> 
>
>
>
> Israeli intelligence warned US of Russian spies using Kaspersky software
> <https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/kaspersky-russia-israel-nsa>
>
>
> Kaspersky Lab Has Been Working With Russian Intelligence
> <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-11/kaspersky-lab-has-been-working-with-russian-intelligence> 
>
>



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jan  2 12:46:28 2018
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 17:46:28 +0000
Subject: [off] Apple to unify ios/macos apps next year
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH7zj9OXQNTWPuQXXWMFMK3uXDo=oAppStn7TQcCVoWdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPs=B3rMo3noXHpcGOtkSO7OLBm0ARy+DLeEfu-rbcdbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<336212FB-574D-4E03-BF89-ABD1698426F0@pacifier.com>
	<CANQHZSH7zj9OXQNTWPuQXXWMFMK3uXDo=oAppStn7TQcCVoWdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c4ba34e-b11d-c4d3-99e9-b28acd4dc9ea@cogapp.com>

I'm coming to this late, but it looks to me as if the list got into a 
nightmare mode a bit prematurely. What the article actually talks about is a 
way to create apps which can be used across 'desktop' and mobile operating 
systems - specifically *not* about merging those operating systems.

In short, a very approximate way of describing the idea would be... LiveCode.

We code an app with a text field and a button; on the desktop our users click 
the button with the mouse, on mobile they touch it. On desktop they click into 
the field and start typing on their keyboard; on mobile they touch the field 
and a soft keyboard appears. Apple are just trying to help the rest of the 
developer community catch up with us.

Shouldn't we panic less? Or have I missed something?


On 21/12/2017 01:01, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 3:35 PM, JB via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Is Apple going to have enough intelligence to
>> make the ios compatible with the os desktop
>> or will they do away with the desktop to make
>> the new mac os like the ios?
> 
> 
> *shudder*
> 
> I'd be back on FreeBSD in a couple of days.
> 
> It's Spotlight and the power management on portables that has me using
> mac as my unix platform. OK, and iCloud Drive now.
> 
> Mess with those (and spotlight has seriously regressed over the last
> ten years) and I'm gone.
> 
> 



From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Jan  2 13:32:48 2018
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:32:48 -0800
Subject: [off] Apple to unify ios/macos apps next year
In-Reply-To: <6c4ba34e-b11d-c4d3-99e9-b28acd4dc9ea@cogapp.com>
References: <CADCoycPs=B3rMo3noXHpcGOtkSO7OLBm0ARy+DLeEfu-rbcdbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<336212FB-574D-4E03-BF89-ABD1698426F0@pacifier.com>
	<CANQHZSH7zj9OXQNTWPuQXXWMFMK3uXDo=oAppStn7TQcCVoWdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c4ba34e-b11d-c4d3-99e9-b28acd4dc9ea@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <4DE22B14-EC44-47E9-B88B-AF364E1CCC65@pacifier.com>

And my question was will they have the
intelligence to do it the way you suggest.

Apple did rename OS X to macOS which
suggest changes to the OS but what will
those changes be?

If they do it they way you are thinking it
will be one of the best things they have
in years.

JB


> On Jan 2, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm coming to this late, but it looks to me as if the list got into a nightmare mode a bit prematurely. What the article actually talks about is a way to create apps which can be used across 'desktop' and mobile operating systems - specifically *not* about merging those operating systems.
> 
> In short, a very approximate way of describing the idea would be... LiveCode.
> 
> We code an app with a text field and a button; on the desktop our users click the button with the mouse, on mobile they touch it. On desktop they click into the field and start typing on their keyboard; on mobile they touch the field and a soft keyboard appears. Apple are just trying to help the rest of the developer community catch up with us.
> 
> Shouldn't we panic less? Or have I missed something?
> 
> 
> On 21/12/2017 01:01, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 3:35 PM, JB via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> Is Apple going to have enough intelligence to
>>> make the ios compatible with the os desktop
>>> or will they do away with the desktop to make
>>> the new mac os like the ios?
>> *shudder*
>> I'd be back on FreeBSD in a couple of days.
>> It's Spotlight and the power management on portables that has me using
>> mac as my unix platform. OK, and iCloud Drive now.
>> Mess with those (and spotlight has seriously regressed over the last
>> ten years) and I'm gone.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan  2 13:51:18 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:51:18 -0800
Subject: [off] Apple to unify ios/macos apps next year
In-Reply-To: <6c4ba34e-b11d-c4d3-99e9-b28acd4dc9ea@cogapp.com>
References: <6c4ba34e-b11d-c4d3-99e9-b28acd4dc9ea@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <e45cfe52-b64b-b5f7-4549-10253bfb9bca@fourthworld.com>

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> I'm coming to this late, but it looks to me as if the list got into a
> nightmare mode a bit prematurely. What the article actually talks
> about is a way to create apps which can be used across 'desktop' and
> mobile operating systems - specifically *not* about merging those
> operating systems.

What is an operating system without applications?

The OS is the bedrock; apps are the home built on top in which we live. 
Apps define what we do with our devices.

That Apple would join the effort to define multi-device APIs along with 
Microsoft and Linux is inevitable, as many suggested even before the 
iPad premiered.

After all, what's the difference between a tablet with a docking 
keyboard and a laptop with a detachable touch screen?

As device form factors continue to multiply they continue to overlap in 
use-cases. To maintain an entirely different OS for every device type is 
only slightly less cumbersome than if they were to have a different OS 
for every model.  As use-cases overlap, that's effectively the corner a 
vendor would paint themselves into.  Not at all surprising to see this 
next logical evolutionary step.

While it's validating to see OS vendors adopt a more LiveCode Way of 
working, LC will still hold an advantage over OS-provided tools:

Apple and Microsoft act as though nothing else exists outside their 
walls; as long as you buy gear and tools from one OS vendor they work 
well, but neither has any incentive to prioritize about 
interoperability.  Why should they spend money to strengthen their 
competitor's position?

Meanwhile, people have diverse tastes so the world is naturally 
multi-platform.  A tool that plays nice with others will always provide 
access to more people using more platforms more affordably than any 
OS-exclusive option.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan  2 14:04:25 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 19:04:25 +0000
Subject: [off] Apple to unify ios/macos apps next year
In-Reply-To: <e45cfe52-b64b-b5f7-4549-10253bfb9bca@fourthworld.com>
References: <6c4ba34e-b11d-c4d3-99e9-b28acd4dc9ea@cogapp.com>
	<e45cfe52-b64b-b5f7-4549-10253bfb9bca@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A8A99103-67B6-49EF-81A5-4F5178E25D0D@iotecdigital.com>

A radically slower processor and/or a limited number of expansion ports? Of course you can get cheap laptops too. But your point is taken. Whenever someone asks me, "What computer (or phone or tablet) should I buy?" I always ask, "Why are you wanting to do with it?" I am all in favor of small/inexpensive devices which are limited in their functionality. In fact, that is what the iPhone, and then later the iPad and android based devices actually did for the market. They filled a huge niche where a lot of people (Mom/Dad/Grandparents/School Kids) didn't need a relatively expensive laptop, but there was nothing else available. 

Bob S

> On Jan 2, 2018, at 10:51 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> After all, what's the difference between a tablet with a docking keyboard and a laptop with a detachable touch screen?




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan  2 14:12:18 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 19:12:18 +0000
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <56026313-e347-4aba-fdfe-6dfdd343ea0c@fourthworld.com>
References: <0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>
	<56026313-e347-4aba-fdfe-6dfdd343ea0c@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4B820674-82DE-40C2-A1EB-C3AF43D9DF19@iotecdigital.com>

Not to venture off topic too far, but if Kaspersky products have been communicating with outside entities and passing along information, the real wonder is that there are no present indications in anyone's router logs to indicate it is doing so. In fact there are entire companies that thrive on looking for such compromises, as well as competing companies which would make capital on any such evidence. Intrusion Detection Systems all over the globe monitor for suspicious activity. Many exploits have been discovered through these kinds of systems. I have not heard of any which indicate that Kaspersky products are compromising security. 

As Sherlock Holmes said to Watson on many occasions, "It is always a mistake, my dear Watson, to guess. Invariably you will find yourself attempting to fit the facts to your theories, instead of forming your theories to fit the facts." 

Bob S


> On Jan 2, 2018, at 09:37 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Rick Harrison wrote:
> 
> > Never recommend Mac Keeper or Mac Cleaner as they
> > are considered to be Malware/Spyware/Annoyance-ware
> > and are difficult for some users to eradicate.
> 
> Add Kaspersky to that list:
> 
> UK cyber security chief warns government against using Kaspersky
> <https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/02/uk-cyber-security-kaspersky-warning/>
> 
> 
> Kaspersky Lab Antivirus Software Is Ordered Off U.S. Government Computers
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/kaspersky-lab-antivirus-federal-government.html>
> 
> 
> Israeli intelligence warned US of Russian spies using Kaspersky software
> <https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/kaspersky-russia-israel-nsa>
> 
> 
> Kaspersky Lab Has Been Working With Russian Intelligence
> <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-11/kaspersky-lab-has-been-working-with-russian-intelligence>
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan  2 14:15:26 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 19:15:26 +0000
Subject: lineHeight different Mac vs. Windows
In-Reply-To: <71F0E421-FEFD-48D5-BBB5-4761F5505679@me.com>
References: <0D959DEE-6D90-402C-951C-483FA8AADDAE@me.com>
	<612e0810-8e08-ecbe-206b-93b5ee364d9e@warrensweb.us>
	<1BA3E3CC-ACC6-4A35-B029-546D0905DBC7@me.com>
	<c8f01fe5-3866-6313-f258-42cc4314bc60@hyperactivesw.com>
	<71F0E421-FEFD-48D5-BBB5-4761F5505679@me.com>
Message-ID: <3CCB53CE-6AFA-428A-9F29-5CBE1C4C3267@iotecdigital.com>

I always use web optimized fonts for anything I do that will be cross platform. I don't think that will address your specifit issue, but I think it's a good practice, since these fonts might take more care to be universal in their appearance. 

Bob S


> On Jan 1, 2018, at 15:04 , Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think that the size difference is related to the specific font used. Georgia is displaying slightly wider in Windows than Mac. Helvetica seems pretty consistent. A Chinese font I use is much smaller in Windows.
> 
> Changing Georgia from 16 to 15 is too drastic a change for me, so I need to keep the font size the same.
> 
> I can?t set the textHeight since I have to set fixedLineHeight to false so I can display thumbnail images within the text.
> 
> I suspect that the space between lines when fixedLineHeight is false is determined by the specific font metrics, something LiveCode can?t or doesn?t want to override. I haven?t done a test of various fonts comparing the Windows vs. Mac ?free? line spacing. Maybe there is a constant among them all?
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
>> On Jan 1, 2018, at 2:23 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 1/1/18 2:39 AM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode wrote:
>>> My page layout is fixed ? no user settings of font face or size. Also the card height doesn?t have room for text fields to get taller. And there was the design decision not to show scroll bars.
>>> Text also often has ?widows? at the bottom of the field when the text was formatted for Mac but is displayed in Windows. Thus my desire to adjust the Windows text to get it to flow similarly to the Mac (where it was authored).
>> 
>> The old-school method was to find a font size and textheight that matches what you see on Mac, and on preOpenStack, set the text properties based on platform.
>> 
>> It used to be that Windows fonts displayed larger and/or wider than the same-named Mac fonts. That may have changed recently; my client says Windows fonts are smaller now. At any rate, do some experimentation on Windows to see if you can adjust the flow using textsize and textheight, or by experimenting with different fonts.
>> 
>> -- 
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>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan  2 14:27:05 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 19:27:05 +0000
Subject: Optimizing for small Android devices
In-Reply-To: <D4FF2AA0-9A15-4889-AFF3-A9E606ED2CD7@hindu.org>
References: <3CC4BD95-FEA2-464F-86E8-63D6AD91BCC2@hindu.org>
	<30c1a7b0-6f75-e091-db05-fafe70391c14@fourthworld.com>
	<D4FF2AA0-9A15-4889-AFF3-A9E606ED2CD7@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <00882CA3-4BB0-4A19-8D4B-D62FFB3080C6@iotecdigital.com>

So did Russia BTW. But Germany's problems were not simply that the tanks were more complex and expensive to manufacture. They were suffering from a severe shortage of materials, and also some design problems. The Tiger as I recall had a turret that had to be hand cranked. They were also so heavy and guzzled so much fuel that large supply lines were necessary, and any terrain that was muddy tended to strand them. The battle of the Bulge basically ended when the Germans ran out of fuel. 

Sorry for the OT comment. 

Bob S


> On Dec 29, 2017, at 18:59 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I certainly did not mean to imply by "only" that pointed to the market share of phones with 1 GB ram.
> 
> OT: I was just reading Quora about how US overwhelming Germany with sheer numbers of tanks and jets that had much lower specs than German made tanks/planes. But we won on our sheer industrial power to produce numbers.  




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan  2 14:33:51 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 11:33:51 -0800
Subject: [off] Apple to unify ios/macos apps next year
In-Reply-To: <A8A99103-67B6-49EF-81A5-4F5178E25D0D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A8A99103-67B6-49EF-81A5-4F5178E25D0D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0c10b170-2434-404b-7b8a-b39ac84ef1c9@fourthworld.com>

What model of router has the capacity to store all incoming and outgoing 
traffic?

What did you find when you monitored Kaspersky traffic with Wireshark?

I won't claim to have done the original research on this.  I provided 
multiple links to reasonably reputable sources so the reader can go 
beyond the headlines and decide for themselves.

For myself, when the intelligence agencies of at least three different 
nations are telling me to be wary of Kaspersky, and dozens of news 
articles from papers of record around the world provide details of 
relationships between Kaspersky staff and FSB agents, at a minimum I'm 
inclined to consider other brands for my AV needs.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > Not to venture off topic too far, but if Kaspersky products have been
 > communicating with outside entities and passing along information, the
 > real wonder is that there are no present indications in anyone's
 > router logs to indicate it is doing so. In fact there are entire
 > companies that thrive on looking for such compromises, as well as
 > competing companies which would make capital on any such evidence.
 > Intrusion Detection Systems all over the globe monitor for suspicious
 > activity. Many exploits have been discovered through these kinds of
 > systems. I have not heard of any which indicate that Kaspersky
 > products are compromising security.
 >
 > As Sherlock Holmes said to Watson on many occasions, "It is always a
 > mistake, my dear Watson, to guess. Invariably you will find yourself
 > attempting to fit the facts to your theories, instead of forming your
 > theories to fit the facts."
 >
 > Bob S
 >
 >
 >> On Jan 2, 2018, at 09:37 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 >>
 >> Rick Harrison wrote:
 >>
 >> > Never recommend Mac Keeper or Mac Cleaner as they
 >> > are considered to be Malware/Spyware/Annoyance-ware
 >> > and are difficult for some users to eradicate.
 >>
 >> Add Kaspersky to that list:
 >>
 >> UK cyber security chief warns government against using Kaspersky
 >> 
<https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/02/uk-cyber-security-kaspersky-warning/>
 >>
 >>
 >> Kaspersky Lab Antivirus Software Is Ordered Off U.S. Government 
Computers
 >> 
<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/kaspersky-lab-antivirus-federal-government.html>
 >>
 >>
 >> Israeli intelligence warned US of Russian spies using Kaspersky software
 >> <https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/kaspersky-russia-israel-nsa>
 >>
 >>
 >> Kaspersky Lab Has Been Working With Russian Intelligence
 >> 
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-11/kaspersky-lab-has-been-working-with-russian-intelligence>
 >>






From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan  2 14:52:40 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 19:52:40 +0000
Subject: [off] Apple to unify ios/macos apps next year
In-Reply-To: <0c10b170-2434-404b-7b8a-b39ac84ef1c9@fourthworld.com>
References: <A8A99103-67B6-49EF-81A5-4F5178E25D0D@iotecdigital.com>
	<0c10b170-2434-404b-7b8a-b39ac84ef1c9@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D0B79343-E2A0-4DE5-86AA-862B652123CE@iotecdigital.com>

Can't argue with you there. But many routers are capable of offloading their logs to a log server, and any Government Contractor or agency is likely to be doing so, as well as running IDS, so there's that. 

I'm not saying our hackles shouldn't be raised, I'm simply proposing that if conclusive proof existed which undeniably indicted Kaspersky of this kind of activity, it would result in the demise of Kaspersky as a company, and Russia would lose a key source of Signals Intelligence. 

What I would be more concerned about is not that there is current or past activity, but that there is a "button" that could be pushed to enable the clients to begin transmitting critical intelligence during a conflict, or even worse, to disable devices running their product. The software would have to be decompiled and the code examined to make that determination. I can't believe no one has thought to do so, and perhaps the warnings we are getting are the fruits of that kind of investigation. 

Bob S


> On Jan 2, 2018, at 11:33 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> For myself, when the intelligence agencies of at least three different nations are telling me to be wary of Kaspersky, and dozens of news articles from papers of record around the world provide details of relationships between Kaspersky staff and FSB agents, at a minimum I'm inclined to consider other brands for my AV needs.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan  2 14:59:33 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 13:59:33 -0600
Subject: Go in Window (not working) Go in A window "working"
In-Reply-To: <6E5F5B5D-AF01-4756-B742-B97593EEBA17@hindu.org>
References: <6E5F5B5D-AF01-4756-B742-B97593EEBA17@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <99ae0a27-4ca6-80cd-2ad2-5ef782540125@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/1/18 9:48 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> but this fails in a backscript
> 
> put ("stack " & quote & gems & quote) into tDestination;
> go to tDestination in window
> 

It needs a specific reference, not just the word "window":

   put the windowID of this stack into tID
   go stack <path to stack> in window tID

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan  2 15:09:44 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 12:09:44 -0800
Subject: [off] Apple to unify ios/macos apps next year
In-Reply-To: <D0B79343-E2A0-4DE5-86AA-862B652123CE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <D0B79343-E2A0-4DE5-86AA-862B652123CE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <cc023593-d4c1-bfc5-158c-e3e6d05c376e@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > I'm not saying our hackles shouldn't be raised, I'm simply proposing
 > that if conclusive proof existed which undeniably indicted Kaspersky
 > of this kind of activity,

When you read the details of the reports you'll see the "conclusive 
proof" part is going to be hard to get publicly.  This involves the 
national security of multiple nations, so they're not inclined to 
divulge sources.

I haven't yet read anything from a non-government source confirming 
these claims, but that may not be surprising given the level of 
sophistication possible.  For example, all AV software requires admin 
privileges, and they all update themselves.  So who can say whether the 
copy of Kaspersky I run is the same as what someone would be running 
from a known block of government IP addresses?

There are many ways such software could be difficult for the public to 
get "conclusive proof" about.

If someone wants to install Kaspersky it doesn't matter to me, as long 
as they're neither my employee or contractor.  At least one of my 
clients is a federal contractor, so I have to run a clean ship.

Besides, it's not like there's a shortage of reasonably good AV software 
out there.  I can just use anything that isn't hosted on 
Kremlin-controlled networks.


 > it would result in the demise of Kaspersky as a company,

In progress:

Kaspersky Lab: D.C. office ?no longer viable? and will close
<https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/08/kaspersky-lab-d-c-office-no-longer-viable-and-will-close/>


 > and Russia would lose a key source of Signals Intelligence.

That seems to be the goal.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan  2 16:24:11 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 15:24:11 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
Message-ID: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>

Looks like a nice set:
<https://feathericons.com/>

I like these a little better than the Font Awesome icons because they're 
slimmer.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Jan  2 17:34:46 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 23:34:46 +0100
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>
References: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>
	<0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <4DBD774A-5E90-4C3C-A285-C483885E362E@mac.com>

Thanks Rick for replying. I?m sticking to the original thread here.

The thing is, there are different classes of users: developers / nerds (I guess many on this list count as some species of those - I know I do); people who want to ?just do it?; and a lot of categories in between. In  my experience, teachers, even science teachers, don?t want to know anything about such details as how to install, uninstall or update a program - they just want to use it. So the kind of thing you?re suggesting, while making perfect sense to you and me, will not work for the ?just do it? brigade, who are not even be likely to read any helpful text with ?clear instructions? unless they?re truly desperate. I concede that most Mac users know about putting applications in the trash, but if the app they?ve just binned leaves behind preferences, application support files and the like, they will neither know nor care.

So it?s for these kinds of users that I want create an uninstaller - and, presuming the uninstaller has the sense to notice when there?s nothing to uninstall, I will even attach it to the installation process of my app, so at least there will only be one version in the user?s machine at a time. There will also of course have to be a standalone version, for those that really want the app to vanish without trace rather than be reinstalled.

The truth is I don?t exactly know what happens when you put an app in the trash, but I can?t believe all traces of the program are gone in all circumstances. I know even less about how well a PC?s Control Panel uninstall works, but I suppose I will eventually have to find out.

Cheers

Graham

PS Mac Keeper and Mac Cleaner are indeed at the very least annoying (but probably much worse than that). CleanMyMac however, seems to be to have an honourable history and has never caused me any problems: but YMMV.

> On 2 Jan 2018, at 16:38, Rick Harrison via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
> Most applications on the Mac do not have uninstaller as
> they are usually very easy to uninstall by deleting the
> application.  Most users are smart enough to know they
> have to delete any aliases in the dock.  They usually know
> that the prefs file for the application should be deleted
> as well if they run into problems.
> 
> Many times a good support webpage with clear instructions
> on how to completely delete the app and how to install
> the new version correctly is all that is needed.  You can
> also remind users how to use the ?Find? File menu option
> in the Finder to look for your rogue versions if you feel
> it is necessary. 
> 
> You can always tag your files with some information which
> will always be unique to your program.  If you use the
> ?Find? File menu option, and then click on options you
> will find a whole list of potential meta-data fields you
> could exploit to create your unique program profile.
> 
> Never recommend Mac Keeper or Mac Cleaner as they
> are considered to be Malware/Spyware/Annoyance-ware
> and are difficult for some users to eradicate.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m developing a very simple uninstaller for a Mac app. I have an installer, thanks to DropDMG. 
>> 
>> The uninstallation process isn?t difficult - it?s just a matter of deleting all the involved files (some are slightly tricky to find, like dock aliases, but I guess there?s a way around that). But there?s one issue that I?m unsure about: what to do if the user has not obeyed the installer's instructions to place the app in the Applications folder, or has maybe got a beta copy that wasn?t installed using the installer, or has made a ?spare? copy somewhere on their hard disk which I don?t know about. I can?t see any way to detect these ?rogue? copies - can anyone else think of one? I know there are some big hitters in this area like CleanMyMac that claim to be able to find everything to do with an installed app, but I am not that ambitious - I just don?t want to miss anything obvious.
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> PS When I crack this, I?ll have to do the same thing for a PC version of the app. But first things first.
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jan  2 17:53:51 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 14:53:51 -0800
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <d4229ef2-0256-ddea-83c1-47328bbba2d1@sonic.net>

On 01/02/2018 01:24 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> Looks like a nice set:
> <https://feathericons.com/>
> 
> I like these a little better than the Font Awesome icons because they're 
> slimmer.
> 

Thanks. Those seem rather nice. And MIT-licensed.
The dollar-sign but no euro seems a bit restricted, though.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jan  2 18:03:29 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 23:03:29 +0000
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <d4229ef2-0256-ddea-83c1-47328bbba2d1@sonic.net>
References: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
	<d4229ef2-0256-ddea-83c1-47328bbba2d1@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRb8gEPcm3pWr-5cUdVuRRHNwE432xnrJC=6ZcavHqBd9w@mail.gmail.com>

If willing to swap out a default library, the iconSVG library can be made
to work with these. I?ve submitted a PR with the code to load new
icons/families. I guess I need to add the ability to change the default
family (which would enable easier use in the IDE).

Also check out svg-icon on GitHub... over 10k icons, many with MIT licenses
(leungwensen/svg-icon)
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:54 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 01/02/2018 01:24 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> > Looks like a nice set:
> > <https://feathericons.com/>
> >
> > I like these a little better than the Font Awesome icons because they're
> > slimmer.
> >
>
> Thanks. Those seem rather nice. And MIT-licensed.
> The dollar-sign but no euro seems a bit restricted, though.
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan  2 18:43:59 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 23:43:59 +0000
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <4DBD774A-5E90-4C3C-A285-C483885E362E@mac.com>
References: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>
	<0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>
	<4DBD774A-5E90-4C3C-A285-C483885E362E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E1E4EE08-C0EE-4427-A32E-64D14B5822AB@iotecdigital.com>

PCs use a helper application which "records" all the changes made to the file system and registry. Similar apps have been written for the Mac in the past, mostly to track before and after installation for security purposes. You may want to look up software for MacOS along those lines. 

Bob S


> On Jan 2, 2018, at 14:34 , Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The truth is I don?t exactly know what happens when you put an app in the trash, but I can?t believe all traces of the program are gone in all circumstances. I know even less about how well a PC?s Control Panel uninstall works, but I suppose I will eventually have to find out.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Graham


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan  2 18:45:35 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 23:45:35 +0000
Subject: Uninstaller question
In-Reply-To: <E1E4EE08-C0EE-4427-A32E-64D14B5822AB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <6CC35FAE-A2AA-43EC-9AE1-69C34E5889F5@mac.com>
	<0BE229F1-A30B-4816-8624-7EE0C72BEE5C@all-auctions.com>
	<4DBD774A-5E90-4C3C-A285-C483885E362E@mac.com>
	<E1E4EE08-C0EE-4427-A32E-64D14B5822AB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1C95E21A-8C8F-4020-A42D-795AF82C6DF6@iotecdigital.com>

There is a product called App Cleaner. It's sold in the Mac App Store so it's likely been vetted. 

Bob S


> On Jan 2, 2018, at 15:43 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> PCs use a helper application which "records" all the changes made to the file system and registry. Similar apps have been written for the Mac in the past, mostly to track before and after installation for security purposes. You may want to look up software for MacOS along those lines. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2018, at 14:34 , Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The truth is I don?t exactly know what happens when you put an app in the trash, but I can?t believe all traces of the program are gone in all circumstances. I know even less about how well a PC?s Control Panel uninstall works, but I suppose I will eventually have to find out.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Graham
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan  2 18:51:43 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 17:51:43 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRb8gEPcm3pWr-5cUdVuRRHNwE432xnrJC=6ZcavHqBd9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
	<d4229ef2-0256-ddea-83c1-47328bbba2d1@sonic.net>
	<CA+yhkRb8gEPcm3pWr-5cUdVuRRHNwE432xnrJC=6ZcavHqBd9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d47f8957-bbe6-0ed5-8345-41c17f0c7615@hyperactivesw.com>

As long as we're talking about this, I'd love to see more of the full 
set at once. The current interface is a little tedious. At first I could 
hardly make out the icons due to the lack of contrast, but I notice now 
the transparency has been toned down a bit, which helps. Still, 
scrolling through the whole set looking for something is slow. A window 
full of icons, like the linked web page, would be easier to scan.

Or maybe add a "Show All" button where we could see the whole set in a 
window, and people could choose their view.

Just thinking out loud.

On 1/2/18 5:03 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> If willing to swap out a default library, the iconSVG library can be made
> to work with these. I?ve submitted a PR with the code to load new
> icons/families. I guess I need to add the ability to change the default
> family (which would enable easier use in the IDE).
> 
> Also check out svg-icon on GitHub... over 10k icons, many with MIT licenses
> (leungwensen/svg-icon)
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:54 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 01/02/2018 01:24 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Looks like a nice set:
>>> <https://feathericons.com/>
>>>
>>> I like these a little better than the Font Awesome icons because they're
>>> slimmer.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks. Those seem rather nice. And MIT-licensed.
>> The dollar-sign but no euro seems a bit restricted, though.
>>
>> --
>>    Mark Wieder
>>    ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan  2 18:53:50 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 17:53:50 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <d4229ef2-0256-ddea-83c1-47328bbba2d1@sonic.net>
References: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
	<d4229ef2-0256-ddea-83c1-47328bbba2d1@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1a2b65a2-cdc9-b1d4-5c0a-0034a6034e27@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/2/18 4:53 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 01/02/2018 01:24 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> Looks like a nice set:
>> <https://feathericons.com/>
>>
>> I like these a little better than the Font Awesome icons because 
>> they're slimmer.
>>
> 
> Thanks. Those seem rather nice. And MIT-licensed.
> The dollar-sign but no euro seems a bit restricted, though.
> 

Made in America by Americans. :)

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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan  2 19:05:09 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 18:05:09 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRb8gEPcm3pWr-5cUdVuRRHNwE432xnrJC=6ZcavHqBd9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
	<d4229ef2-0256-ddea-83c1-47328bbba2d1@sonic.net>
	<CA+yhkRb8gEPcm3pWr-5cUdVuRRHNwE432xnrJC=6ZcavHqBd9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90816289-6521-2f2e-f5e4-1d413a5d7233@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/2/18 5:03 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> If willing to swap out a default library, the iconSVG library can be made
> to work with these.

Alas, I can't load these icons into LC. They don't have the usual 
"moveTo" commands. :(

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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan  2 19:18:48 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 18:18:48 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <90816289-6521-2f2e-f5e4-1d413a5d7233@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
	<d4229ef2-0256-ddea-83c1-47328bbba2d1@sonic.net>
	<CA+yhkRb8gEPcm3pWr-5cUdVuRRHNwE432xnrJC=6ZcavHqBd9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<90816289-6521-2f2e-f5e4-1d413a5d7233@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <fe7e0f55-837e-46c7-10ec-77c1fedf7ea1@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/2/18 6:05 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 1/2/18 5:03 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>> If willing to swap out a default library, the iconSVG library can be made
>> to work with these.
> 
> Alas, I can't load these icons into LC. They don't have the usual 
> "moveTo" commands. :(


So I took a screenshot and ran it through an online PNG-SVG converter. 
That works, but it would be nice if LC could read these.

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan  2 19:32:12 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 16:32:12 -0800
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <fe7e0f55-837e-46c7-10ec-77c1fedf7ea1@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fe7e0f55-837e-46c7-10ec-77c1fedf7ea1@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <d73d9a4c-eeb1-6773-1b70-feb64e233037@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

 > On 1/2/18 6:05 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
 >> Alas, I can't load these icons into LC. They don't have the usual
 >> "moveTo" commands. :(
 >
 > So I took a screenshot and ran it through an online PNG-SVG converter.
 > That works, but it would be nice if LC could read these.

Not even v9?

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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jan  2 19:59:30 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 00:59:30 +0000
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <d73d9a4c-eeb1-6773-1b70-feb64e233037@fourthworld.com>
References: <fe7e0f55-837e-46c7-10ec-77c1fedf7ea1@hyperactivesw.com>
	<d73d9a4c-eeb1-6773-1b70-feb64e233037@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZiqZg7YpjzDP23GkMkPMgG-nWvS+Qfyawvc-2trGwt4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Appears so. I?m trying with the drawingSvgCompile and not having luck with
any of the shapes.
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:32 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>  > On 1/2/18 6:05 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>  >> Alas, I can't load these icons into LC. They don't have the usual
>  >> "moveTo" commands. :(
>  >
>  > So I took a screenshot and ran it through an online PNG-SVG converter.
>  > That works, but it would be nice if LC could read these.
>
> Not even v9?
>
> --
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>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Tue Jan  2 21:19:18 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 03:19:18 +0100
Subject: Free SVG icons
Message-ID: <7740F101-5817-4AE1-B4BA-98692A7DA74E@hyperhh.de>

These SVGs are fine.

1. download the zip from github
https://codeload.github.com/leungwensen/svg-icon/zip/master
(29.7 MByte, unpacks to 61.4 MByte)

2. open one of the folders in dist/svg, e.g. dist/svg/flat
3. make a stack with one field and one svg widget:

Script the field as follows

on dragenter
  set the dragaction to "copy"
  put line 1 of the dragdata["files"] into me
  put url("file:"& me) into s
  set linedel to "<path d="
  set itemdel to quote
  put item 2 of line 2 of s into p
  set the iconPath of widget 1 to p
end dragenter

4. drag one of the file icons from the finder to the field.

Works here, for all tested icons, using LC 8 and LC 9.

@JLG: Wrote by a German, also for Americans.
@BM: Thanks for the link to that wonderful repository.




From hh at hyperhh.de  Tue Jan  2 21:26:01 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 03:26:01 +0100
Subject: Free SVG icons
Message-ID: <4EEE901F-111B-4CCB-8DD2-6597F4C48573@hyperhh.de>

There are more complicated ones like below. We have to work harder in LC 9 for these.

dist/svg/flat/chat.svg

<svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="100" height="100"><path fill-rule="evenodd" clip-rule="evenodd" fill="#C0392B" d="M100 58c0 3.313-2.687 6-6 6h-73c-3.313 0-6-2.687-6-6v-52c0-3.313 2.687-6 6-6h73c3.313 0 6 2.687 6 6v52z"/><path fill-rule="evenodd" clip-rule="evenodd" fill="#E74C3C" d="M85 73c0 3.223-2.74 6-6 6h-13c-1.113 0-2 .754-2 2v18c0 .738-.253 1-.917 1-.232 0-.471-.154-.865-.457l-23.967-18.543c-3-2-6.129-2.006-6.129-2.006l-26.22-.002c-3.26 0-5.902-2.613-5.902-5.836v-51.125c0-3.221 2.896-6.047 6-6.031h73c3.562 0 6 2.778 6 6v51z"/><path fill="#fff" d="M58.5 40.072c-1.178.523-2.443.875-3.771 1.035 1.355-.813 2.396-2.102 2.887-3.633-1.268.752-2.674 1.297-4.168 1.594-1.198-1.278-2.904-2.075-4.792-2.075-3.626 0-6.565 2.94-6.565 6.566 0 .512.058 1.016.17 1.497-5.456-.275-10.294-2.889-13.532-6.859-.564.968-.889 2.096-.889 3.298 0 2.28 1.159 4.288 2.921 5.465-1.076-.033-2.089-.33-2.974-.822l-.001.084c0 3.181 2.264 5.834 5.267 6.438-.551.149-1.131.228-1.729.228-.423 0-.835-.038-1.235-.116.835 2.609 3.26 4.507 6.133 4.558-2.248 1.763-5.079 2.813-8.154 2.813-.53 0-1.053-.031-1.566-.095 2.903 1.863 6.354 2.952 10.061 2.952 12.076 0 18.679-10.004 18.679-18.68 0-.284-.006-.568-.018-.85 1.284-.926 2.395-2.081 3.276-3.398z"/></svg>


From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jan  2 21:45:05 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 02:45:05 +0000
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <4EEE901F-111B-4CCB-8DD2-6597F4C48573@hyperhh.de>
References: <4EEE901F-111B-4CCB-8DD2-6597F4C48573@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRY7qnek4_wfCTs165x3R0hTiJUidno0zpubqd04cy+0+g@mail.gmail.com>

Looking at the feather icons, it seems that ?currentColor? is not being
picked up as anything which makes them render blank. If I change that to
?red? then some work. Ones that include ?line? do not draw anything (seems
like a bug since the output is blank). Most use elements other than path,
so they require DP11 for the ones that work (but would not be available for
the icon library).
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:26 PM hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> There are more complicated ones like below. We have to work harder in LC 9
> for these.
>
> dist/svg/flat/chat.svg
>
> <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="100" height="100"><path
> fill-rule="evenodd" clip-rule="evenodd" fill="#C0392B" d="M100 58c0
> 3.313-2.687 6-6 6h-73c-3.313 0-6-2.687-6-6v-52c0-3.313 2.687-6 6-6h73c3.313
> 0 6 2.687 6 6v52z"/><path fill-rule="evenodd" clip-rule="evenodd"
> fill="#E74C3C" d="M85 73c0 3.223-2.74 6-6 6h-13c-1.113 0-2 .754-2 2v18c0
> .738-.253 1-.917 1-.232
> 0-.471-.154-.865-.457l-23.967-18.543c-3-2-6.129-2.006-6.129-2.006l-26.22-.002c-3.26
> 0-5.902-2.613-5.902-5.836v-51.125c0-3.221 2.896-6.047 6-6.031h73c3.562 0 6
> 2.778 6 6v51z"/><path fill="#fff" d="M58.5
> 40.072c-1.178.523-2.443.875-3.771 1.035 1.355-.813 2.396-2.102
> 2.887-3.633-1.268.752-2.674 1.297-4.168
> 1.594-1.198-1.278-2.904-2.075-4.792-2.075-3.626 0-6.565 2.94-6.565 6.566 0
> .512.058 1.016.17 1.497-5.456-.275-10.294-2.889-13.532-6.859-.564.968-.889
> 2.096-.889 3.298 0 2.28 1.159 4.288 2.921
> 5.465-1.076-.033-2.089-.33-2.974-.822l-.001.084c0 3.181 2.264 5.834 5.267
> 6.438-.551.149-1.131.228-1.729.228-.423 0-.835-.038-1.235-.116.835 2.609
> 3.26 4.507 6.133 4.558-2.248 1.763-5.079 2.813-8.154 2.813-.53
> 0-1.053-.031-1.566-.095 2.903 1.863 6.354 2.952 10.061 2.952 12.076 0
> 18.679-10.004 18.679-18.68 0-.284-.006-.568-.018-.85 1.284-.926 2.395-2.081
> 3.276-3.398z"/></svg>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan  2 22:27:43 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 21:27:43 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRY7qnek4_wfCTs165x3R0hTiJUidno0zpubqd04cy+0+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EEE901F-111B-4CCB-8DD2-6597F4C48573@hyperhh.de>
	<CA+yhkRY7qnek4_wfCTs165x3R0hTiJUidno0zpubqd04cy+0+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <160ba0f7398.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

The one I was working with was the calendar icon. There are only line 
commands in it, no moveTo. I don't see a way to deal with that.

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On January 2, 2018 8:47:42 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Looking at the feather icons, it seems that ?currentColor? is not being
> picked up as anything which makes them render blank. If I change that to
> ?red? then some work. Ones that include ?line? do not draw anything (seems
> like a bug since the output is blank). Most use elements other than path,
> so they require DP11 for the ones that work (but would not be available for
> the icon library).
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:26 PM hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> There are more complicated ones like below. We have to work harder in LC 9
>> for these.
>>
>> dist/svg/flat/chat.svg
>>
>> <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="100" height="100"><path
>> fill-rule="evenodd" clip-rule="evenodd" fill="#C0392B" d="M100 58c0
>> 3.313-2.687 6-6 6h-73c-3.313 0-6-2.687-6-6v-52c0-3.313 2.687-6 6-6h73c3.313
>> 0 6 2.687 6 6v52z"/><path fill-rule="evenodd" clip-rule="evenodd"
>> fill="#E74C3C" d="M85 73c0 3.223-2.74 6-6 6h-13c-1.113 0-2 .754-2 2v18c0
>> .738-.253 1-.917 1-.232
>> 0-.471-.154-.865-.457l-23.967-18.543c-3-2-6.129-2.006-6.129-2.006l-26.22-.002c-3.26
>> 0-5.902-2.613-5.902-5.836v-51.125c0-3.221 2.896-6.047 6-6.031h73c3.562 0 6
>> 2.778 6 6v51z"/><path fill="#fff" d="M58.5
>> 40.072c-1.178.523-2.443.875-3.771 1.035 1.355-.813 2.396-2.102
>> 2.887-3.633-1.268.752-2.674 1.297-4.168
>> 1.594-1.198-1.278-2.904-2.075-4.792-2.075-3.626 0-6.565 2.94-6.565 6.566 0
>> .512.058 1.016.17 1.497-5.456-.275-10.294-2.889-13.532-6.859-.564.968-.889
>> 2.096-.889 3.298 0 2.28 1.159 4.288 2.921
>> 5.465-1.076-.033-2.089-.33-2.974-.822l-.001.084c0 3.181 2.264 5.834 5.267
>> 6.438-.551.149-1.131.228-1.729.228-.423 0-.835-.038-1.235-.116.835 2.609
>> 3.26 4.507 6.133 4.558-2.248 1.763-5.079 2.813-8.154 2.813-.53
>> 0-1.053-.031-1.566-.095 2.903 1.863 6.354 2.952 10.061 2.952 12.076 0
>> 18.679-10.004 18.679-18.68 0-.284-.006-.568-.018-.85 1.284-.926 2.395-2.081
>> 3.276-3.398z"/></svg>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan  2 23:09:19 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:09:19 -0800
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <160ba0f7398.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <160ba0f7398.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9f17e68b-78df-b783-9132-fb9191eb02f9@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
 > The one I was working with was the calendar icon. There are only line
 > commands in it, no moveTo. I don't see a way to deal with that.

How do other programs deal with that?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Jan  2 23:55:20 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 04:55:20 +0000
Subject: Go in Window (not working) Go in A window "working"
In-Reply-To: <99ae0a27-4ca6-80cd-2ad2-5ef782540125@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <6E5F5B5D-AF01-4756-B742-B97593EEBA17@hindu.org>
	<99ae0a27-4ca6-80cd-2ad2-5ef782540125@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <996DC382-597D-4FAB-83E5-82C36DDB3A0D@hindu.org>

Hmmm 

how simple. 

       go stack <path to stack> in window tID

needs to be added to the dictionary? as an example? 

I did read the entry text description of the Window param, but missed it, still..

lets see if this helps on Android.

BR


From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan  3 00:03:23 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 05:03:23 +0000
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <9f17e68b-78df-b783-9132-fb9191eb02f9@fourthworld.com>
References: <160ba0f7398.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9f17e68b-78df-b783-9132-fb9191eb02f9@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaXPpMDDGozKhGpXvZ4hpnXtMsARTdy_vR+tBEvoBC72A@mail.gmail.com>

>From what I see, it looks like the SVG icons are just path elements and not
lines/circles/etc. The new code in DP11 adds support for much more of the
SVG spec.

I found why lines are not working... I?ll get a PR together if it isn?t
already corrected. Line 1124 had an extra ?_? in _svgBoxLine that was
causing the issue.
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:10 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>  > The one I was working with was the calendar icon. There are only line
>  > commands in it, no moveTo. I don't see a way to deal with that.
>
> How do other programs deal with that?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan  3 00:30:58 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 23:30:58 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <9f17e68b-78df-b783-9132-fb9191eb02f9@fourthworld.com>
References: <160ba0f7398.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9f17e68b-78df-b783-9132-fb9191eb02f9@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <160ba804668.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

I don't know how other apps handle it but Firefox displays the calendar 
icon okay.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On January 2, 2018 10:11:32 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>  > The one I was working with was the calendar icon. There are only line
>  > commands in it, no moveTo. I don't see a way to deal with that.
>
> How do other programs deal with that?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan  3 00:33:21 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 23:33:21 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRaXPpMDDGozKhGpXvZ4hpnXtMsARTdy_vR+tBEvoBC72A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <160ba0f7398.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9f17e68b-78df-b783-9132-fb9191eb02f9@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+yhkRaXPpMDDGozKhGpXvZ4hpnXtMsARTdy_vR+tBEvoBC72A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <160ba8278e8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Has anyone mentioned how much we appreciate your contributions? :)
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On January 2, 2018 11:05:28 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> From what I see, it looks like the SVG icons are just path elements and not
> lines/circles/etc. The new code in DP11 adds support for much more of the
> SVG spec.
>
> I found why lines are not working... I?ll get a PR together if it isn?t
> already corrected. Line 1124 had an extra ?_? in _svgBoxLine that was
> causing the issue.
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:10 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>  > The one I was working with was the calendar icon. There are only line
>>  > commands in it, no moveTo. I don't see a way to deal with that.
>>
>> How do other programs deal with that?
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Systems
>>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>   ____________________________________________________________________
>>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>
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From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan  3 03:31:27 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 09:31:27 +0100
Subject: Go in Window (not working) Go in A window "working"
In-Reply-To: <996DC382-597D-4FAB-83E5-82C36DDB3A0D@hindu.org>
References: <6E5F5B5D-AF01-4756-B742-B97593EEBA17@hindu.org>
	<99ae0a27-4ca6-80cd-2ad2-5ef782540125@hyperactivesw.com>
	<996DC382-597D-4FAB-83E5-82C36DDB3A0D@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <365c32ac0b47c549820d7cf42298459d@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-03 05:55, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Hmmm
> 
> how simple.
> 
>        go stack <path to stack> in window tID
> 
> needs to be added to the dictionary? as an example?
> 
> I did read the entry text description of the Window param, but missed
> it, still..
> 
> lets see if this helps on Android.

You don't need to indirect through the 'windowId'. You can do:

   go stack "NewStack" in window "OldStack"

i.e. 'window' can either be a stack name, or 'the windowId' of an 
existing stack.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. If you could file a bug about the dictionary deficiency, that would 
be great!

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan  3 03:36:32 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 09:36:32 +0100
Subject: [off] Apple to unify ios/macos apps next year
In-Reply-To: <6c4ba34e-b11d-c4d3-99e9-b28acd4dc9ea@cogapp.com>
References: <CADCoycPs=B3rMo3noXHpcGOtkSO7OLBm0ARy+DLeEfu-rbcdbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<336212FB-574D-4E03-BF89-ABD1698426F0@pacifier.com>
	<CANQHZSH7zj9OXQNTWPuQXXWMFMK3uXDo=oAppStn7TQcCVoWdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c4ba34e-b11d-c4d3-99e9-b28acd4dc9ea@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <c96becd0051ebfda8500bc39c9ee31e1@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-02 18:46, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> I'm coming to this late, but it looks to me as if the list got into a
> nightmare mode a bit prematurely. What the article actually talks
> about is a way to create apps which can be used across 'desktop' and
> mobile operating systems - specifically *not* about merging those
> operating systems.
> 
> In short, a very approximate way of describing the idea would be... 
> LiveCode.
> 
> We code an app with a text field and a button; on the desktop our
> users click the button with the mouse, on mobile they touch it. On
> desktop they click into the field and start typing on their keyboard;
> on mobile they touch the field and a soft keyboard appears. Apple are
> just trying to help the rest of the developer community catch up with
> us.
> 
> Shouldn't we panic less? Or have I missed something?

My take on it is that Apple intend to include a port of 'UIKit' to macOS 
in the next macOS version - meaning that an app written for iOS would 
compile and run on macOS without changes.

A lot of frameworks are already shared between macOS and iOS - e.g. 
CoreGraphics, MapKit, AVFoundation, ... (the list is actually very 
long). The main points of difference (i.e. where you don't get source 
compatibility) between coding for iOS and coding for macOS is UIKit vs 
Cocoa - i.e. the way you interact with the window system - usually 
though its just a few lines (e.g. using a UIView on iOS vs an NSView on 
macOS).

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
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LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan  3 03:47:59 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 09:47:59 +0100
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRaXPpMDDGozKhGpXvZ4hpnXtMsARTdy_vR+tBEvoBC72A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <160ba0f7398.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9f17e68b-78df-b783-9132-fb9191eb02f9@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+yhkRaXPpMDDGozKhGpXvZ4hpnXtMsARTdy_vR+tBEvoBC72A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aab1a659c96611c67f4dfd63095751e1@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-03 06:03, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> From what I see, it looks like the SVG icons are just path elements and 
> not
> lines/circles/etc. The new code in DP11 adds support for much more of 
> the
> SVG spec.

Yes - the calendar icon is a built out of three shapes, and not a simple 
'path' element.

The 'feather' collection of icons seem to differ from things like 
fontAwesome in that they are defined by an arbitrary (simple?) SVG - 
which could use multiple shapes and fills and/or strokes.

Font glyphs (i.e. what font awesome is designed for) can only be a 
single (compound) path.

> I found why lines are not working... I?ll get a PR together if it isn?t
> already corrected. Line 1124 had an extra ?_? in _svgBoxLine that was
> causing the issue.

Good catch :)

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Wed Jan  3 04:32:07 2018
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 09:32:07 +0000
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <d47f8957-bbe6-0ed5-8345-41c17f0c7615@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
	<d4229ef2-0256-ddea-83c1-47328bbba2d1@sonic.net>
	<CA+yhkRb8gEPcm3pWr-5cUdVuRRHNwE432xnrJC=6ZcavHqBd9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d47f8957-bbe6-0ed5-8345-41c17f0c7615@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1gYOish6gWJUGvYuE9A93=MCxdB8sefJCHSiZ3T7jV4Tg@mail.gmail.com>

There has been some work to replace the icon picker with a stack with a
filter field, so once that?s in it should help quite a lot.

On Tue, 2 Jan 2018 at 23:51, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> As long as we're talking about this, I'd love to see more of the full
> set at once. The current interface is a little tedious. At first I could
> hardly make out the icons due to the lack of contrast, but I notice now
> the transparency has been toned down a bit, which helps. Still,
> scrolling through the whole set looking for something is slow. A window
> full of icons, like the linked web page, would be easier to scan.
>
> Or maybe add a "Show All" button where we could see the whole set in a
> window, and people could choose their view.
>
> Just thinking out loud.
>
> On 1/2/18 5:03 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> > If willing to swap out a default library, the iconSVG library can be made
> > to work with these. I?ve submitted a PR with the code to load new
> > icons/families. I guess I need to add the ability to change the default
> > family (which would enable easier use in the IDE).
> >
> > Also check out svg-icon on GitHub... over 10k icons, many with MIT
> licenses
> > (leungwensen/svg-icon)
> > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:54 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 01/02/2018 01:24 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> >>> Looks like a nice set:
> >>> <https://feathericons.com/>
> >>>
> >>> I like these a little better than the Font Awesome icons because
> they're
> >>> slimmer.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thanks. Those seem rather nice. And MIT-licensed.
> >> The dollar-sign but no euro seems a bit restricted, though.
> >>
> >> --
> >>    Mark Wieder
> >>    ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan  3 08:32:05 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 13:32:05 +0000
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1gYOish6gWJUGvYuE9A93=MCxdB8sefJCHSiZ3T7jV4Tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
	<d4229ef2-0256-ddea-83c1-47328bbba2d1@sonic.net>
	<CA+yhkRb8gEPcm3pWr-5cUdVuRRHNwE432xnrJC=6ZcavHqBd9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<d47f8957-bbe6-0ed5-8345-41c17f0c7615@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAJR0Q1gYOish6gWJUGvYuE9A93=MCxdB8sefJCHSiZ3T7jV4Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYLP3s9hHEVM2kO_7VhHcRzVkLRHdaHkEPVdhRTUvrAxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Icon picker would be nice. In addition to a filter field, it should allow
different families to be selected.

I looked briefly for something that could convert SVG to just a path.
Inkscape can do it, but I was more looking for something that could easily
do it in a batch run. Then you could convert the whole set.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:33 AM Ali Lloyd via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> There has been some work to replace the icon picker with a stack with a
> filter field, so once that?s in it should help quite a lot.
>


From hh at hyperhh.de  Wed Jan  3 09:30:49 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 15:30:49 +0100
Subject: Free SVG icons
Message-ID: <27581171-5D5B-4D8A-A3AA-068EB168B025@hyperhh.de>

> BM wrote:
> I looked briefly for something that could convert SVG to just a path.
> Inkscape can do it, but I was more looking for something that could easily
> do it in a batch run. Then you could convert the whole set.

I'm looking for that for months. TMHO opinion inkscape can do that for single
selected shapes only. Even paper.js and also other js or java snippets can't
do such a global flattening-all without loosing some properties.

Please post whenever you find or write such a general "flatten-to-path".



From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan  3 10:16:09 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 16:16:09 +0100
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <27581171-5D5B-4D8A-A3AA-068EB168B025@hyperhh.de>
References: <27581171-5D5B-4D8A-A3AA-068EB168B025@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <fd6b1b1a80bdebbdb3d532b2872c7faa@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-03 15:30, hh via use-livecode wrote:
>> BM wrote:
>> I looked briefly for something that could convert SVG to just a path.
>> Inkscape can do it, but I was more looking for something that could 
>> easily
>> do it in a batch run. Then you could convert the whole set.
> 
> I'm looking for that for months. TMHO opinion inkscape can do that for 
> single
> selected shapes only. Even paper.js and also other js or java snippets 
> can't
> do such a global flattening-all without loosing some properties.
> 
> Please post whenever you find or write such a general 
> "flatten-to-path".

Assuming that 'flatten-to-path' means:

"Produce a compound path which, when filled, produces the same result as 
filling and/or stroking a sequence of paths and/or shapes."

Then, in full generality, this is really quite complex - particularly if 
you want to preserve curves (which is important if you want your 
resulting path to scale arbitrarily).

There are two pieces:

   1) A 'thicken' operation which takes a path and stroke properties as 
input and produces a path which can be filled to produce the stroke. 
(i.e. the 'inside' of the path is the same as the 'inside' of the stroke 
of the original path).

   2) A 'union' operation which takes two arbitrary paths and produces a 
single path which, when filled, produces the same result as filling the 
first path, and then filling and compositing the second path on top of 
it. (i.e. the 'inside' of the path is the same as the union of the 
'insides' of the two input paths).

Neither of these are at all straight-forward in the general case 
unfortunately :(

However, if you restrict yourself to:

   1) polygonal paths and elliptical arcs, sectors and segments

   2) non-overlapping paths which use the same fill rule

Restricting to (1) means it is much easier to generate a thickened path 
from the original - there's no pesky bezier thickening to deal with 
(which is problematic because the curve which is a fixed perpendicular 
distance from a bezier is not a bezier).

Restricting to (2) means that A union B == A concat B - i.e. you append 
the path definition of B to A.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
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LiveCode: Everyone can create apps




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan  3 10:27:30 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 15:27:30 +0000
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <2914DF28-FADD-4D2C-8504-9B4D6E71B72B@iotecdigital.com>

In case anyone needs to convert SVG to PNG or other format: 

Apple has a free app on their store called VisualDesigler, where as you may imagine you can also CREATE SVGs. 

Bob S


> On Jan 2, 2018, at 13:24 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Looks like a nice set:
> <https://feathericons.com/>
> 
> I like these a little better than the Font Awesome icons because they're slimmer.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan  3 10:33:22 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 15:33:22 +0000
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <2914DF28-FADD-4D2C-8504-9B4D6E71B72B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <29cbd60d-89a4-e4a8-cd1e-7e33e730f346@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2914DF28-FADD-4D2C-8504-9B4D6E71B72B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BD1F2556-DCEC-47A8-A9B2-F24A1F0CBEE8@iotecdigital.com>

That would be: VisualDesigner

> On Jan 3, 2018, at 07:27 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> VisualDesigler




From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan  3 11:33:29 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 17:33:29 +0100
Subject: problems with mobilepickphoto
Message-ID: <6041E2BE-F5E2-46E5-A52B-2A720D228F5B@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

I have a strange problem with "mobilepickphoto"!

Here the script:
on mouseUp pMouseButton
lock screen
if the environment = "mobile" then
mobilePickPhoto "library",212,212
if the result is empty then
exit mouseUp
end if

## Works on Device and simulator so far!

else

answer file "Bitte ein Bild ausw?hlen" with type "jpeg, png|jpg,png|"
if IT is empty then
exit mouseUp
end if
import paint from file it
end if

## When on MOBILE, the script stops here without any error?
## Works fine on desktop!

## Not executed on mobile?
 put last image into image "foto-01"

## Same for this line?
set the text of image "foto-01" to the text of last image

delete last img
...

Any hints very welcome, thank you!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Jan  3 11:25:26 2018
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:25:26 +0000
Subject: zip folder of arbitrary size
Message-ID: <d98d4090-994f-d2cf-180e-c5578bd8a1ce@cogapp.com>

I want an app running unattended on a Windows VM to zip up a folder (on a 
regular basis).

I've not used the revZip library before: when I look at it the first thing I 
notice is that first step, according to the Dictionary is:
	Use the revZipOpenArchive command to load a zip archive into memory

It's the "into memory" part that bothers me. The folder is probably around 125 
- 150MB in total; the zip file I'd expect to be 25MB. I know that we sometimes 
run into horrible memory problems on these Windows VMs, so this makes me nervous.

Does anyone have experience of working with this library on Windows, in 
relation to how much memory it uses?  I'm guessing the key formula is related 
to the size of the largest file to be zipped, and the size of the zip package 
itself.

My alternative is probably shelling out to Windows to have the folder zipped 
by an external process. Any tips in relation to this?

TIA,

Ben



From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan  3 11:41:52 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:41:52 +0100
Subject: zip folder of arbitrary size
In-Reply-To: <d98d4090-994f-d2cf-180e-c5578bd8a1ce@cogapp.com>
References: <d98d4090-994f-d2cf-180e-c5578bd8a1ce@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <7b4e7748ee86599f65c58356a7e6d149@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-03 17:25, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
> I want an app running unattended on a Windows VM to zip up a folder
> (on a regular basis).
> 
> I've not used the revZip library before: when I look at it the first
> thing I notice is that first step, according to the Dictionary is:
> Use the revZipOpenArchive command to load a zip archive into memory
> 
> It's the "into memory" part that bothers me. The folder is probably
> around 125 - 150MB in total; the zip file I'd expect to be 25MB. I
> know that we sometimes run into horrible memory problems on these
> Windows VMs, so this makes me nervous.

It doesn't load the whole archive into memory - just the 'central 
directory' - which is the list of files which are present in the zip.

Extracting data from the zip file occurs when you request it - and then 
only the bits you ask for.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan  3 11:46:45 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 17:46:45 +0100
Subject: problems with mobilepickphoto
In-Reply-To: <6041E2BE-F5E2-46E5-A52B-2A720D228F5B@major-k.de>
References: <6041E2BE-F5E2-46E5-A52B-2A720D228F5B@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <AF3F15E5-2FFC-48B5-A62F-ADBE1CDFE792@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

found it!

> Am 03.01.2018 um 17:33 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> I have a strange problem with "mobilepickphoto"!
> 
> Here the script:
> on mouseUp pMouseButton
> lock screen
> if the environment = "mobile" then
> mobilePickPhoto "library",212,212
> ## if the result is empty then

## This way! :-)
if the result = "cancel"
> exit mouseUp
> end if
> 
> ## Works on Device and simulator so far!
> 
> else

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Jan  3 13:02:28 2018
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 18:02:28 +0000
Subject: zip folder of arbitrary size
In-Reply-To: <7b4e7748ee86599f65c58356a7e6d149@livecode.com>
References: <d98d4090-994f-d2cf-180e-c5578bd8a1ce@cogapp.com>
	<7b4e7748ee86599f65c58356a7e6d149@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <c90f39d3-ddf0-9d03-d36a-ecb6fd1118e8@cogapp.com>

Phew - thanks Mark!

On 03/01/2018 16:41, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> On 2018-01-03 17:25, Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode wrote:
>> I want an app running unattended on a Windows VM to zip up a folder
>> (on a regular basis).
>>
>> I've not used the revZip library before: when I look at it the first
>> thing I notice is that first step, according to the Dictionary is:
>> Use the revZipOpenArchive command to load a zip archive into memory
>>
>> It's the "into memory" part that bothers me. The folder is probably
>> around 125 - 150MB in total; the zip file I'd expect to be 25MB. I
>> know that we sometimes run into horrible memory problems on these
>> Windows VMs, so this makes me nervous.
> 
> It doesn't load the whole archive into memory - just the 'central directory' - 
> which is the list of files which are present in the zip.
> 
> Extracting data from the zip file occurs when you request it - and then only 
> the bits you ask for.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan  3 13:10:53 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 18:10:53 +0000
Subject: problems with mobilepickphoto
In-Reply-To: <AF3F15E5-2FFC-48B5-A62F-ADBE1CDFE792@major-k.de>
References: <6041E2BE-F5E2-46E5-A52B-2A720D228F5B@major-k.de>
	<AF3F15E5-2FFC-48B5-A62F-ADBE1CDFE792@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <B905B8B3-6479-4EA2-9F5B-39A57240D6DC@iotecdigital.com>

Yeah I tripped over that when I first began using Answer File/Folder. The result contains "Cancel" if the cancel button is clicked, and is empty if a file/folder is chosen. The it variable contains the absolute file/folder path if one is chosen or empty if the user cancels. It's somewhat counter to the Answer command unless you think about the it variable always containing the information requested. In a simple answer dialog, that would be the button clicked, but in answer file/folder it is the path to the file/folder. 

Bob S



> On Jan 3, 2018, at 08:46 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> found it!
> 
>> Am 03.01.2018 um 17:33 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> I have a strange problem with "mobilepickphoto"!
>> 
>> Here the script:
>> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>> lock screen
>> if the environment = "mobile" then
>> mobilePickPhoto "library",212,212
>> ## if the result is empty then
> 
> ## This way! :-)
> if the result = "cancel"




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan  3 13:26:53 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 20:26:53 +0200
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <7740F101-5817-4AE1-B4BA-98692A7DA74E@hyperhh.de>
References: <7740F101-5817-4AE1-B4BA-98692A7DA74E@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <7ad04936-1645-b1e1-be2e-8f2fca8f194a@gmail.com>

https://pixelbuddha.net/freebie/paticons-Icons-and-ui-patterns

Richmond.




From brahma at hindu.org  Wed Jan  3 13:45:37 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 18:45:37 +0000
Subject: Go in Window (not working) Go in A window "working"
In-Reply-To: <365c32ac0b47c549820d7cf42298459d@livecode.com>
References: <6E5F5B5D-AF01-4756-B742-B97593EEBA17@hindu.org>
	<99ae0a27-4ca6-80cd-2ad2-5ef782540125@hyperactivesw.com>
	<996DC382-597D-4FAB-83E5-82C36DDB3A0D@hindu.org>
	<365c32ac0b47c549820d7cf42298459d@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <A5CA67A6-CA14-426B-8431-92415804C179@hindu.org>

"Something is wrong"  

This works on desktop,  but fails on iOS. Nothing happens at all. it stays on the same, open stack and does not navigate to/open the new stack declared in "go

  put the windowID of stack oStackName into tWindowID  # current open stack 
  go to cardOrStackObject  in window tWindowID

# where "cardOrStackObject" is a string in the form of .e.g
# stack "gems  OR card 2 of stack "gems"  OR card "video" of stack surprise

Since I had made other changes since my last commit? I did commented out my new lines and used the old method and ran the stand alone again and it works

  -- put the windowID of stack oStackName into tWindowID  # current open stack
   
go  cardOrStackObject  # e.g   go "gems" (or this string)  go card 3 of "gems"   
wait 100 milliseconds with messages  
close stack oStackName   
wait 100 milliseconds with messages  
   
  --go to cardOrStackObject  in window tWindowID

# where we open the other, new stack first and *then* close the old one.

On 1/2/18, 10:31 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    On 2018-01-03 05:55, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
    >Hmmm
    >how simple.
    >        go stack <path to stack> in window tID
    >needs to be added to the dictionary? as an example?
    >I did read the entry text description of the Window param, but missed
    >it, still..
    >lets see if this helps on Android.
    
    You don't need to indirect through the 'windowId'. You can do:
    
       go stack "NewStack" in window "OldStack"
    
    i.e. 'window' can either be a stack name, or 'the windowId' of an 
    existing stack.
    
    Warmest Regards,
    
    Mark.
    
    P.S. If you could file a bug about the dictionary deficiency, that would 
    be great!
    
    -- 
    Mark


From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan  3 14:30:25 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 19:30:25 +0000
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <7ad04936-1645-b1e1-be2e-8f2fca8f194a@gmail.com>
References: <7740F101-5817-4AE1-B4BA-98692A7DA74E@hyperhh.de>
	<7ad04936-1645-b1e1-be2e-8f2fca8f194a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYY4vn+Z-KQF1DvV7HTrJ1+_Y=-FvPgjucr7P6VzMBUOg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Richmond... that looks useful.

https://icomoon.io has the ability to bulk convert several icon sets to
paths/fonts. Feather happens to be one of the free sets available. Since it
is originally under MIT, this could be a set that could bundle up as a
family for the icon library.

Here's the calendar path:
"M19 3h-2v-1c0-0.6-0.4-1-1-1s-1 0.4-1 1v1h-6v-1c0-0.6-0.4-1-1-1s-1 0.4-1
1v1h-2c-1.7 0-3 1.3-3 3v14c0 1.7 1.3 3 3 3h14c1.7 0 3-1.3
3-3v-14c0-1.7-1.3-3-3-3zM5 5h2v1c0 0.6 0.4 1 1 1s1-0.4 1-1v-1h6v1c0 0.6 0.4
1 1 1s1-0.4 1-1v-1h2c0.6 0 1 0.4 1 1v3h-16v-3c0-0.6 0.4-1 1-1zM19
21h-14c-0.6 0-1-0.4-1-1v-9h16v9c0 0.6-0.4 1-1 1z"

Thanks,
Brian

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:27 PM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> https://pixelbuddha.net/freebie/paticons-Icons-and-ui-patterns
>
> Richmond.
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan  3 15:10:06 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:10:06 +0200
Subject: Print to PDF
Message-ID: <c1f8d494-a9e6-bc19-585f-aab1c9a90a33@gmail.com>

I wonder why this doesn't work:

onmouseUp

setthelockScreentotrue

settheformatForPrintingofthis stack totrue

openprinting topdf "./sampleOutput"

setthewidthoffld "fff" tothewidthofstack "PDF Printer"

settheheightoffld "fff" totheheightofstack "PDF Printer"

printcard 1

setthewidthoffld "fff" to450

settheheightoffld "fff" to560

setthetopoffld "fff" to20

settheleftoffld "fff" to20

closeprinting

setthelockScreentofalse

endmouseUp


Richmond.



From tom at makeshyft.com  Wed Jan  3 16:00:52 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:00:52 -0500
Subject: Print to PDF
In-Reply-To: <c1f8d494-a9e6-bc19-585f-aab1c9a90a33@gmail.com>
References: <c1f8d494-a9e6-bc19-585f-aab1c9a90a33@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB7+A_uwVwpCeDdMSJHR960niF7N+DtTP5iDqTG5mkjgTg@mail.gmail.com>

let me look up my pdf printing code.....why are all the spaces gone from
your code?

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I wonder why this doesn't work:
>
> onmouseUp
>
> setthelockScreentotrue
>
> settheformatForPrintingofthis stack totrue
>
> openprinting topdf "./sampleOutput"
>
> setthewidthoffld "fff" tothewidthofstack "PDF Printer"
>
> settheheightoffld "fff" totheheightofstack "PDF Printer"
>
> printcard 1
>
> setthewidthoffld "fff" to450
>
> settheheightoffld "fff" to560
>
> setthetopoffld "fff" to20
>
> settheleftoffld "fff" to20
>
> closeprinting
>
> setthelockScreentofalse
>
> endmouseUp
>
>
> Richmond.
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan  3 16:25:41 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 23:25:41 +0200
Subject: Print to PDF
In-Reply-To: <CAEk4XB7+A_uwVwpCeDdMSJHR960niF7N+DtTP5iDqTG5mkjgTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1f8d494-a9e6-bc19-585f-aab1c9a90a33@gmail.com>
	<CAEk4XB7+A_uwVwpCeDdMSJHR960niF7N+DtTP5iDqTG5mkjgTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ef15c4b-246f-5812-f38c-9ee603c84350@gmail.com>

Dunno where all the spaces have gone: I copy-pasted from the 8.1.8 
scriptEditor om Mac OS 10.7.5

Richmond.

On 3/1/2018 11:00 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> let me look up my pdf printing code.....why are all the spaces gone from
> your code?
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I wonder why this doesn't work:
>>
>> onmouseUp
>>
>> setthelockScreentotrue
>>
>> settheformatForPrintingofthis stack totrue
>>
>> openprinting topdf "./sampleOutput"
>>
>> setthewidthoffld "fff" tothewidthofstack "PDF Printer"
>>
>> settheheightoffld "fff" totheheightofstack "PDF Printer"
>>
>> printcard 1
>>
>> setthewidthoffld "fff" to450
>>
>> settheheightoffld "fff" to560
>>
>> setthetopoffld "fff" to20
>>
>> settheleftoffld "fff" to20
>>
>> closeprinting
>>
>> setthelockScreentofalse
>>
>> endmouseUp
>>
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jan  3 23:25:12 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 23:25:12 -0500
Subject: Two new videos about using Navigator with LiveCode
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtovWcAwT+j6jp2UtAXsnxM2QpRTOJ1mExkb-WGtSrwWgw@mail.gmail.com>

I updated my copy of ScreenFlow, so I made two new videos about how to use
Navigator with LiveCode.

Navigator is old -- I mostly finished with it about a dozen years ago --
but I updated it a few years ago to work with behaviors, so if you use
those it can be really helpful. That said, I haven't tested Navigator
extensively with anything more recent than LC 6.7.3, although it seems at
least not to break in LC 8. (Yes, I know, I'm going to try 8 out this week).

There are two new videos:

The Card Menu: https://youtu.be/kkAWisu-3EU
Shows a list of the cards in the displayed stack, and lets you display the
controls in any of them. Can also display all the background-capable (top
level) groups in the stack, whether they have backgroundbehavior set to
true or not.

The Script Menu: https://youtu.be/25q-D8k_z2s
Lets you easily copy and paste scripts into objects. Displays all the
handlers from both an object and its behavior. Select any handler to edit
the script and jump to that handler. Lets you call any handler, function,
getProp, or setProp, including passing in parameters, and for functions and
getProp displays the result/property so you can see/copy it.

Here's a link to all the videos I've created about Navigator: 4 Play all
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkW1QJvgEa0&list=PL6Q9z_3xloyJJ92D-98ZiOB8ySuUW6sZJ>

I'll upload more videos as they're available.

Navigator comes with LiveCode, but get the most recent version here, it's
far better than the included version:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kz3zqi4botzglgq/navigator.zip?dl=0

Navigator is free and open source. If you have any questions, let me know.


From paul at livecode.org  Thu Jan  4 00:47:49 2018
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 21:47:49 -0800
Subject: Print to PDF
In-Reply-To: <2ef15c4b-246f-5812-f38c-9ee603c84350@gmail.com>
References: <c1f8d494-a9e6-bc19-585f-aab1c9a90a33@gmail.com>
	<CAEk4XB7+A_uwVwpCeDdMSJHR960niF7N+DtTP5iDqTG5mkjgTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ef15c4b-246f-5812-f38c-9ee603c84350@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91FC2B96-2F1A-4C06-8A5E-9FC58944B227@livecode.org>

Richmond,

I tried using macOS High Siera version 10.13.2 (17C88) and your script writes a PDF in LC7.1.4 & LC8.2.0 (dp2), but in LC9.0.0 (dp11) it prints the card to my default printer, so it seems the ?to PDF? part is being ignored.

Maybe time for a Bug Report. :)

Paul


> On Jan 3, 2018, at 1:25 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Dunno where all the spaces have gone: I copy-pasted from the 8.1.8 scriptEditor om Mac OS 10.7.5
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 3/1/2018 11:00 pm, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>> let me look up my pdf printing code.....why are all the spaces gone from
>> your code?
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder why this doesn't work:
>>> 
>>> onmouseUp
>>> 
>>> setthelockScreentotrue
>>> 
>>> settheformatForPrintingofthis stack totrue
>>> 
>>> openprinting topdf "./sampleOutput"
>>> 
>>> setthewidthoffld "fff" tothewidthofstack "PDF Printer"
>>> 
>>> settheheightoffld "fff" totheheightofstack "PDF Printer"
>>> 
>>> printcard 1
>>> 
>>> setthewidthoffld "fff" to450
>>> 
>>> settheheightoffld "fff" to560
>>> 
>>> setthetopoffld "fff" to20
>>> 
>>> settheleftoffld "fff" to20
>>> 
>>> closeprinting
>>> 
>>> setthelockScreentofalse
>>> 
>>> endmouseUp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richmond.
>>> 
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Jan  4 00:52:14 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 14:52:14 +0900
Subject: screenloc not actually centered after changing scalefactor (was
	Screen Resolution for Desktop Apps)
In-Reply-To: <d5cd50ff-20ea-1308-1a1f-31d12085015d@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGeTkxkY34qDL+d8wf8wot89mk4jPJvK4oLjFa0bybkiRRbpmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<aebfb277-8069-4688-a14c-7ec5a9fcdc3d@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGeTkxkSiBa64PmwtOVhz=Qk7+uMuPaf5qmVrkX88eyMM8kmdQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<d5cd50ff-20ea-1308-1a1f-31d12085015d@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxkfU9n3hMWDvSKP07UkAi87SZDb8jd2AwzoXfLFSmFYVw@mail.gmail.com>

Jacqueline yet again saves the day. Thank you!

--
N.

On 2 January 2018 at 08:34, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 12/31/17 7:31 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> To do "some calculations", I thought of comparing the loc to the
>> scalefactor. So ran the standalone on three devices, but saw no consistent
>> corelation between the differing locs and the scalefactor.
>>
>> So, still no clue what to use for these calculations...
>>
>
> My math skills are terrible so we need someone more clever to fix my
> calculation. But this seems to work for most scalefactors until you get
> down to about 0.6 or lower:
>
> on setloc pScale
>   -- pScale = the desired scaleFactor
>   put the screenloc into tSLoc
>   if pScale <= 1 then
>     put 1 + (1-pScale) into tRatio
>   else
>     put 1/pScale into tRatio
>   end if
>   put item 1 of tSLoc * tRatio into item 1 of tNewLoc
>   put item 2 of tSLoc * tRatio into item 2 of tNewLoc
>   set the scalefactor of this stack to pScale
>   set the loc of this stack to tNewLoc
> end setloc
>
> I'm pretty sure there's a way to calculate the ratio without the "if"
> clause so that it works for both large and small scales and I'm not sure
> why it breaks at about 0.6. Hopefully one of our math gurus can advise.
>
>
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Thu Jan  4 01:28:42 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 22:28:42 -0800
Subject: Script editor won't compile
Message-ID: <473C545B-50D4-4343-80F2-CCE2E4A89D1F@me.com>

Hi,

LC 8.1.7 Windows
LC 9.1.7 Mac

I worked on a card script in Windows (using Parallels), copied that script, and went to the Mac version, pasted it in the script window. It saves, but won?t compile. My various handlers don?t show on the left panel and clicking Apply doesn?t do anything. And the script definitely doesn?t do anything operational for that card.

Other scripts in the stack work normally and show normally in the script editor.

I tried monkeying around with Windows version in a text editor, changing the line endings, but no success.

Is there something I can do to rescue this card?

Peter Bogdanoff
ArtsInteractive


From bogdanoff at me.com  Thu Jan  4 01:57:30 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 22:57:30 -0800
Subject: Script editor won't compile
In-Reply-To: <473C545B-50D4-4343-80F2-CCE2E4A89D1F@me.com>
References: <473C545B-50D4-4343-80F2-CCE2E4A89D1F@me.com>
Message-ID: <DC95B71D-7379-44EE-9F6E-FBE1F98A0598@me.com>

I tried again, pasted the Windows 10 script into Apple?s TextEdit, copied that into the script editor, and it now works normally.

What I was doing before was:
1. Copying text from the Windows 10 LC script editor and pasting directly into the Mac LC script editor. No compile.
2. Pasting into Tex-Edit Plus and adding carriage returns using that program's tools. Then pasting into the Mac LC script editor. No compile. Interestingly, searching for specific text in the document inside of Tex-Edit Plus always came up empty. So there seems to be a problem/incompatibility with encoding Windows to Mac?

TextEdit was able to fix the text so that the Mac text editor could read it.

Peter


> On Jan 3, 2018, at 10:28 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> LC 8.1.7 Windows
> LC 9.1.7 Mac
> 
> I worked on a card script in Windows (using Parallels), copied that script, and went to the Mac version, pasted it in the script window. It saves, but won?t compile. My various handlers don?t show on the left panel and clicking Apply doesn?t do anything. And the script definitely doesn?t do anything operational for that card.
> 
> Other scripts in the stack work normally and show normally in the script editor.
> 
> I tried monkeying around with Windows version in a text editor, changing the line endings, but no success.
> 
> Is there something I can do to rescue this card?
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff
> ArtsInteractive
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan  4 06:14:55 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 13:14:55 +0200
Subject: Print to PDF needs extending
In-Reply-To: <CAEk4XB7+A_uwVwpCeDdMSJHR960niF7N+DtTP5iDqTG5mkjgTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1f8d494-a9e6-bc19-585f-aab1c9a90a33@gmail.com>
	<CAEk4XB7+A_uwVwpCeDdMSJHR960niF7N+DtTP5iDqTG5mkjgTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <990c47b4-2b36-d231-1473-aa444f1a8875@gmail.com>

I got a bit "Pee-Dee-Effed Off" when I realised that to print the 
contents of a field to PDF
one had to "fool around" with the field so that it fitted the dimensions 
of the card on which
the field resided; because Print to PDF can ONLY print a Card to PDF.

WHY is this?

I believe that a "Print to PDF" extension that allows printing of field 
contents as they are
in the field:

PseudoCode follows:

PrintToPDF field "XXX"

would be a really marvellous boon to everyone.

Richmond.



From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Jan  4 06:30:22 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 12:30:22 +0100
Subject: Mac 64 bit?
Message-ID: <5075FCB1-A551-43D9-9AC9-2B6ED9A96EE9@mac.com>

I notice using LC 8.1.8 (the latest stable release AFAIK) that in the Standalone Application Settings, building for Mac OS X is still described as EXPERIMENTAL. Is this right? Has anyone experienced any gotchas by using this type of build? In reality I don?t know what OSX started to expect 64 bit apps, but it must have been a good few iterations ago.

Graham


From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Jan  4 06:32:11 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 12:32:11 +0100
Subject: Mac 64 bit?
Message-ID: <367EF0EE-8E57-4A61-AEF1-2899002717D0@mac.com>

Oops - I should have said ?building for Mac OS 64 bit?, of course. Sorry.

I wrote just now

> I notice using LC 8.1.8 (the latest stable release AFAIK) that in the Standalone Application Settings, building for Mac OS X is still described as EXPERIMENTAL. Is this right? Has anyone experienced any gotchas by using this type of build? In reality I don?t know what OSX started to expect 64 bit apps, but it must have been a good few iterations ago.

Graham


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan  4 06:56:46 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 13:56:46 +0200
Subject: Mac 64 bit?
In-Reply-To: <5075FCB1-A551-43D9-9AC9-2B6ED9A96EE9@mac.com>
References: <5075FCB1-A551-43D9-9AC9-2B6ED9A96EE9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1e98e41e-4e36-d16b-3207-7ba96cc13cc2@gmail.com>

Dunno: but, both the 32-bit and the 64-bit version of my Devawriter run 
"as they should"
on my Mac OS 10.7.5 imac, for all that that may be worth.

Richmond.

On 4/1/2018 1:30 pm, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
> I notice using LC 8.1.8 (the latest stable release AFAIK) that in the Standalone Application Settings, building for Mac OS X is still described as EXPERIMENTAL. Is this right? Has anyone experienced any gotchas by using this type of build? In reality I don?t know what OSX started to expect 64 bit apps, but it must have been a good few iterations ago.
>
> Graham
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan  4 10:44:12 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 15:44:12 +0000
Subject: Script editor won't compile
In-Reply-To: <DC95B71D-7379-44EE-9F6E-FBE1F98A0598@me.com>
References: <473C545B-50D4-4343-80F2-CCE2E4A89D1F@me.com>
	<DC95B71D-7379-44EE-9F6E-FBE1F98A0598@me.com>
Message-ID: <5C4C3CD8-72D7-47BC-A8C9-18139501CB91@iotecdigital.com>

I have to do that all the time. Otherwise I get double returns. Of course, if the email size limit was raised a bit on the list, we could paste RTF text directly into the email without exceeding that limit. 

Bob S


> On Jan 3, 2018, at 22:57 , Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I tried again, pasted the Windows 10 script into Apple?s TextEdit, copied that into the script editor, and it now works normally.
> 
> What I was doing before was:
> 1. Copying text from the Windows 10 LC script editor and pasting directly into the Mac LC script editor. No compile.
> 2. Pasting into Tex-Edit Plus and adding carriage returns using that program's tools. Then pasting into the Mac LC script editor. No compile. Interestingly, searching for specific text in the document inside of Tex-Edit Plus always came up empty. So there seems to be a problem/incompatibility with encoding Windows to Mac?
> 
> TextEdit was able to fix the text so that the Mac text editor could read it.
> 
> Peter


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan  4 10:45:47 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 15:45:47 +0000
Subject: Mac 64 bit?
In-Reply-To: <367EF0EE-8E57-4A61-AEF1-2899002717D0@mac.com>
References: <367EF0EE-8E57-4A61-AEF1-2899002717D0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <33EBCF48-6567-4062-9EC7-16369C53FC95@iotecdigital.com>

This was discussed a while back. 64 bit works fine. That is all I use. 

Bob S


> On Jan 4, 2018, at 03:32 , Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Oops - I should have said ?building for Mac OS 64 bit?, of course. Sorry.
> 
> I wrote just now
> 
>> I notice using LC 8.1.8 (the latest stable release AFAIK) that in the Standalone Application Settings, building for Mac OS X is still described as EXPERIMENTAL. Is this right? Has anyone experienced any gotchas by using this type of build? In reality I don?t know what OSX started to expect 64 bit apps, but it must have been a good few iterations ago.
> 
> Graham
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Thu Jan  4 11:19:17 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 17:19:17 +0100
Subject: Two new videos about using Navigator with LiveCode
Message-ID: <6DEB620D-AA2A-4519-99F6-878F858065E9@hyperhh.de>

Often "Navigator" works good for me in LC 8 (I stopped developing in LC 9).
It is especially very valuable when working with nested groups.

Why don't you announce the update in the forum (also the link to the
documentation) and publish this very useful stack in "Sample Stacks"/
livecodeshare?
It is there better visible than here or in the plugins menu.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan  4 12:34:26 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 17:34:26 +0000
Subject: Long Launch Time
Message-ID: <EA1DFE97-94EC-4C8F-ACB8-0487936116FC@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I perused the forums but could not find the post and solution to someone who was having difficulty when launching the IDE. It had something to do with clearing some logs somewhere as I recall, but I cannot find it in the forums. Anyone remember?

OS 10.12
LC 8.1.8

Bob S


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jan  4 12:51:53 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 10:51:53 -0700
Subject: Long Launch Time
In-Reply-To: <EA1DFE97-94EC-4C8F-ACB8-0487936116FC@iotecdigital.com>
References: <EA1DFE97-94EC-4C8F-ACB8-0487936116FC@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoWmDoH9b9-t_yhVD9EnNejsu5VeaG+_Hneru+0AqC2zA@mail.gmail.com>

I think this is what you're looking for:
http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Slow-Opening-IDE-td4720805.html


On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I perused the forums but could not find the post and solution to someone
> who was having difficulty when launching the IDE. It had something to do
> with clearing some logs somewhere as I recall, but I cannot find it in the
> forums. Anyone remember?
>
> OS 10.12
> LC 8.1.8
>
> Bob S
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan  4 15:08:38 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 15:08:38 -0500
Subject: Two new videos about using Navigator with LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <6DEB620D-AA2A-4519-99F6-878F858065E9@hyperhh.de>
References: <6DEB620D-AA2A-4519-99F6-878F858065E9@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNPC1EhvxxREHPuuB1p8n7PNvEUgZytXoaQm6_aL8VrRA@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have a repo, too?

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:19 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Often "Navigator" works good for me in LC 8 (I stopped developing in LC 9).
> It is especially very valuable when working with nested groups.
>
> Why don't you announce the update in the forum (also the link to the
> documentation) and publish this very useful stack in "Sample Stacks"/
> livecodeshare?
> It is there better visible than here or in the plugins menu.
>
>
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jan  4 15:10:58 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 21:10:58 +0100
Subject: native iOS button question 
Message-ID: <515E21D8-3748-4C53-8610-8398547E9A84@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

is it true that the "native iOS button" widget will only run on iOS/Simulator?
Or can I also script and test it in the IDE? Looks like it does not react "on mouseup" at all.

Any hints welcome, thanks!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Jan  4 15:43:38 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 15:43:38 -0500
Subject: Two new videos about using Navigator with LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNPC1EhvxxREHPuuB1p8n7PNvEUgZytXoaQm6_aL8VrRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6DEB620D-AA2A-4519-99F6-878F858065E9@hyperhh.de>
	<CADCoycNPC1EhvxxREHPuuB1p8n7PNvEUgZytXoaQm6_aL8VrRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqdpQg+LwuddcAbmai1fXmSssqcNzObK4nGMVizKRtW4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I still use the same source control I used when I started it: an archive
folder with several hundred saved versions. :-)

What's the easiest/expected way to start a repo for it/a LiveCode project?

gc

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Do you have a repo, too?
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:19 AM, hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Often "Navigator" works good for me in LC 8 (I stopped developing in LC
> 9).
> > It is especially very valuable when working with nested groups.
> >
> > Why don't you announce the update in the forum (also the link to the
> > documentation) and publish this very useful stack in "Sample Stacks"/
> > livecodeshare?
> > It is there better visible than here or in the plugins menu.
> >
> >
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>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Jan  4 15:46:30 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 15:46:30 -0500
Subject: Two new videos about using Navigator with LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <6DEB620D-AA2A-4519-99F6-878F858065E9@hyperhh.de>
References: <6DEB620D-AA2A-4519-99F6-878F858065E9@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpNmyMt8QFvif0k0J_WXQc4W0o_mqRZVBXmOaU1ySsMjw@mail.gmail.com>

For anyone who wants, documentation for the (nearly) latest version is
here: https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-documentation/

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:19 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Often "Navigator" works good for me in LC 8 (I stopped developing in LC 9).
> It is especially very valuable when working with nested groups.
>
> Why don't you announce the update in the forum (also the link to the
> documentation) and publish this very useful stack in "Sample Stacks"/
> livecodeshare?
> It is there better visible than here or in the plugins menu.
>
>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan  4 15:54:41 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 20:54:41 +0000
Subject: Message Order Difference different between platforms
Message-ID: <3BAB32DB-B8E2-4F78-83F3-42D8DED11641@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

This may explain some wierdness between different platforms. I have a datagrid in a stack, with a mouseDoubleUp handler and a selectionChanged handler. The first command in each handler is an answer dialog telling which handler is currently running. 

On MacOS if I double click a datagrid row, selectionChanged gets triggered. On Windows, the mouseDoubleUp handler gets triggered. The expected behavior is that selectionChanged gets triggered, at which point some form population routines run, and then mouseDoubleUp gets triggered, after which if the stack is in Search mode (a construction of my own) the stack closes after passing the selected data back to the main stack. 

Because Windows si doing these things in the opposite order, mouseDoubleUp is closing the stack and returning to the main form before selectionChanged gets a chance to run. 

Is this the expected behavior, or is this some kind of anomaly?

Bob S


From paul at livecode.org  Thu Jan  4 15:57:44 2018
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 12:57:44 -0800
Subject: native iOS button question 
In-Reply-To: <515E21D8-3748-4C53-8610-8398547E9A84@major-k.de>
References: <515E21D8-3748-4C53-8610-8398547E9A84@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <3F8DB76C-A829-4268-A9C4-02A9C61B4E45@livecode.org>

According to the MessageWatcher the iOS Native Button doesn?t receive a mouseUp/Down event, but the Android Native Button does, however, they both receive a rawKeyDown message if I scroll while the mouse pointer is over either button.  That suggests something is wrong to me, I would expect them both to react the same.

Paul

> On Jan 4, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> is it true that the "native iOS button" widget will only run on iOS/Simulator?
> Or can I also script and test it in the IDE? Looks like it does not react "on mouseup" at all.
> 
> Any hints welcome, thanks!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan  4 15:58:15 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 20:58:15 +0000
Subject: Long Launch Time
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoWmDoH9b9-t_yhVD9EnNejsu5VeaG+_Hneru+0AqC2zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EA1DFE97-94EC-4C8F-ACB8-0487936116FC@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoWmDoH9b9-t_yhVD9EnNejsu5VeaG+_Hneru+0AqC2zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07406628-3B55-4E08-8F84-3EF028C21740@iotecdigital.com>

Hi Mike thanks that was it. In my case I do not have AV software scanning files, but after deleting the log file the plugins part of the IDE launch executed in a timely manner again. 

Bob S


> On Jan 4, 2018, at 09:51 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I think this is what you're looking for:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Slow-Opening-IDE-td4720805.html
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I perused the forums but could not find the post and solution to someone
>> who was having difficulty when launching the IDE. It had something to do
>> with clearing some logs somewhere as I recall, but I cannot find it in the
>> forums. Anyone remember?
>> 
>> OS 10.12
>> LC 8.1.8




From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jan  4 16:00:19 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:00:19 +0100
Subject: native iOS button question 
In-Reply-To: <3F8DB76C-A829-4268-A9C4-02A9C61B4E45@livecode.org>
References: <515E21D8-3748-4C53-8610-8398547E9A84@major-k.de>
	<3F8DB76C-A829-4268-A9C4-02A9C61B4E45@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <7283DA8C-26E3-4AF3-B25C-AEEC6A444BDA@major-k.de>

Hi Paul,

> Am 04.01.2018 um 21:57 schrieb Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> According to the MessageWatcher the iOS Native Button doesn?t receive a mouseUp/Down event, but the Android Native Button does, however, they both receive a rawKeyDown message if I scroll while the mouse pointer is over either button.  That suggests something is wrong to me, I would expect them both to react the same.

thanks, I already found another solution without native buttons.
But there are some more widgets that do not react "on mouseup" unfortunately.

> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> is it true that the "native iOS button" widget will only run on iOS/Simulator?
>> Or can I also script and test it in the IDE? Looks like it does not react "on mouseup" at all.
>> Any hints welcome, thanks!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From brian at milby7.com  Thu Jan  4 16:06:07 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 21:06:07 +0000
Subject: native iOS button question
In-Reply-To: <7283DA8C-26E3-4AF3-B25C-AEEC6A444BDA@major-k.de>
References: <515E21D8-3748-4C53-8610-8398547E9A84@major-k.de>
	<3F8DB76C-A829-4268-A9C4-02A9C61B4E45@livecode.org>
	<7283DA8C-26E3-4AF3-B25C-AEEC6A444BDA@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRbistN40AbK4UoPF5FMxSSoSXwXGjtHGZNHf9DPx6Cavg@mail.gmail.com>

iOS button widget passes ?mouseUp? using a callback from the OS, so it
would only work on the device. Android actually has the public OnClick
handler to post mouseUp. This could be added to the widget to allow testing
in the IDE I believe.
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:01 PM Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> > Am 04.01.2018 um 21:57 schrieb Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > According to the MessageWatcher the iOS Native Button doesn?t receive a
> mouseUp/Down event, but the Android Native Button does, however, they both
> receive a rawKeyDown message if I scroll while the mouse pointer is over
> either button.  That suggests something is wrong to me, I would expect them
> both to react the same.
>
> thanks, I already found another solution without native buttons.
> But there are some more widgets that do not react "on mouseup"
> unfortunately.
>
> > Paul
> >
> >> On Jan 4, 2018, at 12:10 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi friends,
> >>
> >> is it true that the "native iOS button" widget will only run on
> iOS/Simulator?
> >> Or can I also script and test it in the IDE? Looks like it does not
> react "on mouseup" at all.
> >> Any hints welcome, thanks!
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Jan  4 16:08:50 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 16:08:50 -0500
Subject: Two new videos about using Navigator with LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <6DEB620D-AA2A-4519-99F6-878F858065E9@hyperhh.de>
References: <6DEB620D-AA2A-4519-99F6-878F858065E9@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrNA+0Zg+9ELnxD5upD62jRRXZ5-4imO905VMDTCeDZug@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see a way to publish to http://livecodeshare.runrev.com

I posted to the forums:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=30394

thanks!

gc

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:19 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Often "Navigator" works good for me in LC 8 (I stopped developing in LC 9).
> It is especially very valuable when working with nested groups.
>
> Why don't you announce the update in the forum (also the link to the
> documentation) and publish this very useful stack in "Sample Stacks"/
> livecodeshare?
> It is there better visible than here or in the plugins menu.
>
>
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From runrev at vonfintel.org  Thu Jan  4 16:30:15 2018
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:30:15 +0100
Subject: Parameters for functions and commands
Message-ID: <8c0720a0-d5bc-bc64-a09f-449187f56722@vonfintel.org>

I am well aware that I shouldn't expect *everything* in Livecode to be 
intuitive, but this one bugs me:

Having a handler like

 ?? function DoStuff_1 a, b

 ????? return a

 ?? end DoStuff_1

When you do "put DoStuff_1 (2,3)" the result is 2.

But with

 ?? on DoStuff_2 a, b

 ?????? put a

 ?? end DoStuff_2

The result of DoStuff_2 (2, 3) is 2,3. "put a*b" produces an error.

This means, parameters are passed differently to command handlers and 
function handlers. Right?

Is that the way it should be and why?


Thanks for your patience

Thomas





From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Jan  4 16:57:01 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 16:57:01 -0500
Subject: Parameters for functions and commands
In-Reply-To: <8c0720a0-d5bc-bc64-a09f-449187f56722@vonfintel.org>
References: <8c0720a0-d5bc-bc64-a09f-449187f56722@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <00ae01d385a6$f64cf3e0$e2e6dba0$@net>

T,

Non functions don't need the parens. You are actually are passing 1 parameter of "2,3"
When you do a "put DoStuff_2 (2,3)" LC is looking for a function DoStuff_2 that does not exist.
If you do "DoStuff_2 2,3" you will get the expected results.
Also if a  non function does a "Return somevar" the value of somevar with be in "the result"

Example:

On DoStuff3 a,b
Return A
End DoStuff3

The if you do this in another handler

Dostuff3 2,3
Answer the result

You will see "2"

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 4:30 PM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Thomas von Fintel
Subject: Parameters for functions and commands

I am well aware that I shouldn't expect *everything* in Livecode to be intuitive, but this one bugs me:

Having a handler like

    function DoStuff_1 a, b

       return a

    end DoStuff_1

When you do "put DoStuff_1 (2,3)" the result is 2.

But with

    on DoStuff_2 a, b

        put a

    end DoStuff_2

The result of DoStuff_2 (2, 3) is 2,3. "put a*b" produces an error.

This means, parameters are passed differently to command handlers and function handlers. Right?

Is that the way it should be and why?


Thanks for your patience

Thomas



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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan  4 16:57:09 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 21:57:09 +0000
Subject: Parameters for functions and commands
In-Reply-To: <8c0720a0-d5bc-bc64-a09f-449187f56722@vonfintel.org>
References: <8c0720a0-d5bc-bc64-a09f-449187f56722@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <E9829F78-4252-4A9D-B9BD-9DE7DC38BFF2@iotecdigital.com>

In short, yes. Commands can still pass parameters, and as you may not know CAN ALSO RETURN VALUES. The difference is that functions are called with parenthesis and must be put into a variable. eg. 

function bobtest 1, 2
   -- do some stuff
   return true
   -- do some other stuff
end bobtest

Now I can say:

put bobTest(1, 2) into tBobResult -- if you exclude into tBobResult the result will be put into the message

Commands are simply called and then the result variable contains anything put there by the return command ie. 

on bobtest2 pParam1, pParam2
   -- do some stuff
   return true
   -- do some other stuff
end bobtest2

Now I can say:

bobtest 1,2 -- or dispatch "bobtest" to card 1 with 1,2
put the result into tBobResult

NOTE: when a return command is encountered, either in a command or function, the handler is immediately exited and control is returned to the calling handler. So anything after -- do some other stuff WILL NOT EXECUTE. 

I suppose the difference may be somewhat academic, but as a convention, functions are usually used to get information, process it and return values without actually "doing" anything, like going to a card or putting values into fields etc. Commands actually DO things, but nothing is preventing you from using all commands or all functions. You can see though from the above examples that functions are slightly simpler to code with, requiring one line instead of two to process returned values. It can also make code more readable:

put theInternetDate(the date) into tToday
updateTheRecordDate tToday

Bob S

> On Jan 4, 2018, at 13:30 , Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I am well aware that I shouldn't expect *everything* in Livecode to be intuitive, but this one bugs me:
> 
> Having a handler like
> 
>    function DoStuff_1 a, b
> 
>       return a
> 
>    end DoStuff_1
> 
> When you do "put DoStuff_1 (2,3)" the result is 2.
> 
> But with
> 
>    on DoStuff_2 a, b
> 
>        put a
> 
>    end DoStuff_2
> 
> The result of DoStuff_2 (2, 3) is 2,3. "put a*b" produces an error.
> 
> This means, parameters are passed differently to command handlers and function handlers. Right?
> 
> Is that the way it should be and why?
> 
> 
> Thanks for your patience
> 
> Thomas
> 
> 
> 
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From runrev at vonfintel.org  Thu Jan  4 17:39:18 2018
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 23:39:18 +0100
Subject: Parameters for functions and commands
In-Reply-To: <E9829F78-4252-4A9D-B9BD-9DE7DC38BFF2@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8c0720a0-d5bc-bc64-a09f-449187f56722@vonfintel.org>
	<E9829F78-4252-4A9D-B9BD-9DE7DC38BFF2@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <58580afc-ec7b-8ea3-aa59-b77df6ad91c5@vonfintel.org>

Thanks a lot, Ralph and Bob.

I think, I've got it.

Thomas


Am 04.01.2018 um 22:57 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode:
> In short, yes. Commands can still pass parameters, and as you may not know CAN ALSO RETURN VALUES. The difference is that functions are called with parenthesis and must be put into a variable. eg.
>
> function bobtest 1, 2
>     -- do some stuff
>     return true
>     -- do some other stuff
> end bobtest
>
> Now I can say:
>
> put bobTest(1, 2) into tBobResult -- if you exclude into tBobResult the result will be put into the message
>
> Commands are simply called and then the result variable contains anything put there by the return command ie.
>
> on bobtest2 pParam1, pParam2
>     -- do some stuff
>     return true
>     -- do some other stuff
> end bobtest2
>
> Now I can say:
>
> bobtest 1,2 -- or dispatch "bobtest" to card 1 with 1,2
> put the result into tBobResult
>
> NOTE: when a return command is encountered, either in a command or function, the handler is immediately exited and control is returned to the calling handler. So anything after -- do some other stuff WILL NOT EXECUTE.
>
> I suppose the difference may be somewhat academic, but as a convention, functions are usually used to get information, process it and return values without actually "doing" anything, like going to a card or putting values into fields etc. Commands actually DO things, but nothing is preventing you from using all commands or all functions. You can see though from the above examples that functions are slightly simpler to code with, requiring one line instead of two to process returned values. It can also make code more readable:
>
> put theInternetDate(the date) into tToday
> updateTheRecordDate tToday
>
> Bob S
>
>> On Jan 4, 2018, at 13:30 , Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am well aware that I shouldn't expect *everything* in Livecode to be intuitive, but this one bugs me:
>>
>> Having a handler like
>>
>>     function DoStuff_1 a, b
>>
>>        return a
>>
>>     end DoStuff_1
>>
>> When you do "put DoStuff_1 (2,3)" the result is 2.
>>
>> But with
>>
>>     on DoStuff_2 a, b
>>
>>         put a
>>
>>     end DoStuff_2
>>
>> The result of DoStuff_2 (2, 3) is 2,3. "put a*b" produces an error.
>>
>> This means, parameters are passed differently to command handlers and function handlers. Right?
>>
>> Is that the way it should be and why?
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your patience
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Jan  4 17:40:24 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 23:40:24 +0100
Subject: Mac 64 bit?
In-Reply-To: <33EBCF48-6567-4062-9EC7-16369C53FC95@iotecdigital.com>
References: <367EF0EE-8E57-4A61-AEF1-2899002717D0@mac.com>
	<33EBCF48-6567-4062-9EC7-16369C53FC95@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <2BD8CE18-AAF0-4B7B-89E4-3736CAD4F8F4@mac.com>

Then the mother ship should remove the word EXPERIMENTAL. I will raise it in the quality database.

Thanks for the info

Graham

> On 4 Jan 2018, at 16:45, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> This was discussed a while back. 64 bit works fine. That is all I use. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2018, at 03:32 , Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oops - I should have said ?building for Mac OS 64 bit?, of course. Sorry.
>> 
>> I wrote just now
>> 
>>> I notice using LC 8.1.8 (the latest stable release AFAIK) that in the Standalone Application Settings, building for Mac OS X is still described as EXPERIMENTAL. Is this right? Has anyone experienced any gotchas by using this type of build? In reality I don?t know what OSX started to expect 64 bit apps, but it must have been a good few iterations ago.
>> 
>> Graham
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan  4 17:41:51 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 17:41:51 -0500
Subject: Parameters for functions and commands
In-Reply-To: <E9829F78-4252-4A9D-B9BD-9DE7DC38BFF2@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8c0720a0-d5bc-bc64-a09f-449187f56722@vonfintel.org>
	<E9829F78-4252-4A9D-B9BD-9DE7DC38BFF2@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPjMHPB6WGsyTm=YfKdYkctAitffFGen22GTAKwiER3iw@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that the syntax should be the same.  the parenthesis difference is
annoying
Then there's the way RETURN is handled in functions as opposed to handlers
(vs RETURN FOR VALUE and RETURN FOR ERROR)

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> In short, yes. Commands can still pass parameters, and as you may not know
> CAN ALSO RETURN VALUES. The difference is that functions are called with
> parenthesis and must be put into a variable. eg.
>
> function bobtest 1, 2
>    -- do some stuff
>    return true
>    -- do some other stuff
> end bobtest
>
> Now I can say:
>
> put bobTest(1, 2) into tBobResult -- if you exclude into tBobResult the
> result will be put into the message
>
> Commands are simply called and then the result variable contains anything
> put there by the return command ie.
>
> on bobtest2 pParam1, pParam2
>    -- do some stuff
>    return true
>    -- do some other stuff
> end bobtest2
>
> Now I can say:
>
> bobtest 1,2 -- or dispatch "bobtest" to card 1 with 1,2
> put the result into tBobResult
>
> NOTE: when a return command is encountered, either in a command or
> function, the handler is immediately exited and control is returned to the
> calling handler. So anything after -- do some other stuff WILL NOT EXECUTE.
>
> I suppose the difference may be somewhat academic, but as a convention,
> functions are usually used to get information, process it and return values
> without actually "doing" anything, like going to a card or putting values
> into fields etc. Commands actually DO things, but nothing is preventing you
> from using all commands or all functions. You can see though from the above
> examples that functions are slightly simpler to code with, requiring one
> line instead of two to process returned values. It can also make code more
> readable:
>
> put theInternetDate(the date) into tToday
> updateTheRecordDate tToday
>
> Bob S
>
> > On Jan 4, 2018, at 13:30 , Thomas von Fintel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am well aware that I shouldn't expect *everything* in Livecode to be
> intuitive, but this one bugs me:
> >
> > Having a handler like
> >
> >    function DoStuff_1 a, b
> >
> >       return a
> >
> >    end DoStuff_1
> >
> > When you do "put DoStuff_1 (2,3)" the result is 2.
> >
> > But with
> >
> >    on DoStuff_2 a, b
> >
> >        put a
> >
> >    end DoStuff_2
> >
> > The result of DoStuff_2 (2, 3) is 2,3. "put a*b" produces an error.
> >
> > This means, parameters are passed differently to command handlers and
> function handlers. Right?
> >
> > Is that the way it should be and why?
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your patience
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan  4 17:44:12 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 17:44:12 -0500
Subject: Two new videos about using Navigator with LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrNA+0Zg+9ELnxD5upD62jRRXZ5-4imO905VMDTCeDZug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6DEB620D-AA2A-4519-99F6-878F858065E9@hyperhh.de>
	<CAKCLKtrNA+0Zg+9ELnxD5upD62jRRXZ5-4imO905VMDTCeDZug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycM+82Mcw+V3dfDFfrALDB9tMGerdP9dxzuCRx92NX8fwA@mail.gmail.com>

I'll email you off-list

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I don't see a way to publish to http://livecodeshare.runrev.com
>
> I posted to the forums:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=30394
>
> thanks!
>
> gc
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:19 AM, hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Often "Navigator" works good for me in LC 8 (I stopped developing in LC
> 9).
> > It is especially very valuable when working with nested groups.
> >
> > Why don't you announce the update in the forum (also the link to the
> > documentation) and publish this very useful stack in "Sample Stacks"/
> > livecodeshare?
> > It is there better visible than here or in the plugins menu.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Jan  4 17:46:29 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 23:46:29 +0100
Subject: Finding the 'Applications' folder on a Mac
Message-ID: <6AA27573-6E02-4217-94AF-1436C86E3F20@mac.com>

It looks to me that specialFolderPath doesn?t give a way of finding the /Applications folder on a Mac (or presumably the equivalent on a PC). If one is running a standalone which has been placed in the Applications folder, then it is possible to start with specialFolderPath(?engine?) and work back to the Applications directory, but I suspect this is fraught with uncertainty. Has anyone a solution?

Graham 


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Jan  4 17:54:35 2018
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 23:54:35 +0100
Subject: Finding the 'Applications' folder on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <6AA27573-6E02-4217-94AF-1436C86E3F20@mac.com>
References: <6AA27573-6E02-4217-94AF-1436C86E3F20@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a92c597b-e743-6b2c-1074-5db1f1e609bd@economy-x-talk.com>

On Mac OS X, user applications are in

"~"& $USER & "/Applications"

Global applications are in

/Applications

On Windows, you use specialfolderpath(38).

My book has an appendix with all folder numbers and names.


Op 04-01-18 om 23:46 schreef Graham Samuel via use-livecode:
> It looks to me that specialFolderPath doesn?t give a way of finding the /Applications folder on a Mac (or presumably the equivalent on a PC). If one is running a standalone which has been placed in the Applications folder, then it is possible to start with specialFolderPath(?engine?) and work back to the Applications directory, but I suspect this is fraught with uncertainty. Has anyone a solution?
>
> Graham



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jan  4 17:59:11 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 23:59:11 +0100
Subject: Finding the 'Applications' folder on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <6AA27573-6E02-4217-94AF-1436C86E3F20@mac.com>
References: <6AA27573-6E02-4217-94AF-1436C86E3F20@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5383AA84-CDD8-488C-8846-C4B5180E99FE@major-k.de>

Hi Graham,

> Am 04.01.2018 um 23:46 schrieb Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> It looks to me that specialFolderPath doesn?t give a way of finding the /Applications folder on a Mac (or presumably the equivalent on a PC). If one is running a standalone which has been placed in the Applications folder, then it is possible to start with specialFolderPath(?engine?) and work back to the Applications directory, but I suspect this is fraught with uncertainty. Has anyone a solution?

...
put specialfolderpath("apps") into tApplicationFolder
...

Found this and more gemns here: <http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/tips/file010.htm>

> Graham 

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan  4 19:13:16 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 00:13:16 +0000
Subject: How to tell if it's a datagrid
Message-ID: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>

Given an object reference, how can I tell the object is a datagrid? You might say, get the dgProp ["control type"], but every object contained within a datagrid group will ALSO return "data grid". In fact, EVERY dgProp arguement for every item in a datagrid group will do the same. 

The reason I ask is that I want to get the minimum left/top and maximum right/bottom of every VISIBLE object on a card that is NOT a group but notwithstanding INCLUDING Datagrids, so that I can set the rect of the card containing them in a consistent way. The thing is, groups have margins (I'm not going to set the margins of all my groups to 0) and these are not visible, so could skew the positioning of what IS visible. Datagrids do NOT have margins that I can tell, even though they are groups. For example, if I had a group on the left edge but not on the right edge, the objects on the card would look off center. 

Bob S


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan  4 19:18:00 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 16:18:00 -0800
Subject: Mac 64 bit?
In-Reply-To: <2BD8CE18-AAF0-4B7B-89E4-3736CAD4F8F4@mac.com>
References: <2BD8CE18-AAF0-4B7B-89E4-3736CAD4F8F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <772b2560-dd93-4918-6d81-cca38feece9a@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:
 >>> I notice using LC 8.1.8 (the latest stable release AFAIK) that in
 >>> the Standalone Application Settings, building for Mac OS X is still
 >>> described as EXPERIMENTAL. Is this right? Has anyone experienced any
 >>> gotchas by using this type of build? In reality I don?t know what
 >>> OSX started to expect 64 bit apps, but it must have been a good few
 >>> iterations ago.
...
 > Then the mother ship should remove the word EXPERIMENTAL. I will raise
 > it in the quality database.

One more reason to use the most recent build during development:

In v9 you'll find that's already done: 64-bit is now the default, 
"Experimental" has been removed, as "(Deprecated)" is now added next to 
32-bit.

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  ____________________________________________________________________
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From brian at milby7.com  Thu Jan  4 21:26:15 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 20:26:15 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <7740F101-5817-4AE1-B4BA-98692A7DA74E@hyperhh.de>
References: <7740F101-5817-4AE1-B4BA-98692A7DA74E@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZxM6c0WvJ=BXe6NHs8ptojJyaEu7cBWus=Act0ao5q1g@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a bit of code to handle the feather set when converted by icomoon.io
(which could have multiple path statements):

on dragEnter
  local tFile, tSVG, tIndex, tLine
  set the dragAction to "copy"
  put line 1 of the dragdata["files"] into me
  put url ("file:" & me) into tFile
  set linedel to "<path d="
  set itemdel to quote
  put 0 into tIndex
  repeat for each line tLine in tFile
    add 1 to tIndex
    if tIndex is 1 then next repeat
    put item 2 of tLine after tSVG
  end repeat
  set the iconPath of widget 1 to tSVG
end dragEnter

The feather set worked fine after adding the loop.  (Some, like the
calendar, were already a single path though).  As long as they are just a
sequence of path elements, I'm guessing this should work.

If you want to see the actual SVG, just add another field and "put tFile
into field 2"

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:19 PM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> These SVGs are fine.
>
> 1. download the zip from github
> https://codeload.github.com/leungwensen/svg-icon/zip/master
> (29.7 MByte, unpacks to 61.4 MByte)
>
> 2. open one of the folders in dist/svg, e.g. dist/svg/flat
> 3. make a stack with one field and one svg widget:
>
> Script the field as follows
>
> on dragenter
>   set the dragaction to "copy"
>   put line 1 of the dragdata["files"] into me
>   put url("file:"& me) into s
>   set linedel to "<path d="
>   set itemdel to quote
>   put item 2 of line 2 of s into p
>   set the iconPath of widget 1 to p
> end dragenter
>
> 4. drag one of the file icons from the finder to the field.
>
> Works here, for all tested icons, using LC 8 and LC 9.
>
> @JLG: Wrote by a German, also for Americans.
> @BM: Thanks for the link to that wonderful repository.
>
>
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From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Jan  4 21:38:15 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 02:38:15 +0000
Subject: Go in Window (not working) Go in A window "working"
In-Reply-To: <A5CA67A6-CA14-426B-8431-92415804C179@hindu.org>
References: <6E5F5B5D-AF01-4756-B742-B97593EEBA17@hindu.org>
	<99ae0a27-4ca6-80cd-2ad2-5ef782540125@hyperactivesw.com>
	<996DC382-597D-4FAB-83E5-82C36DDB3A0D@hindu.org>
	<365c32ac0b47c549820d7cf42298459d@livecode.com>
	<A5CA67A6-CA14-426B-8431-92415804C179@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <71A61F95-58A7-4B5F-BBA6-F51DB7C52185@hindu.org>

FWIW:

Seems my error was (not in dict) that I should have been doing 

put the ID of the topstack into tWindowID
go to cardOrStackObject in window id tWindowID

   
Well I've been tinkering testing this for two days? made the mistake of making too many changes, then threw out that branch? went back to a working branch and start just toggling between this

   --    go  cardOrStackObject  # e.g   go "gems" (or this string)  go card 3 of "gems"   
   --    wait 100 milliseconds with messages  
   --    close stack oStackName   
   --    wait 100 milliseconds with messages  

versus this, where the top stack short name is already known by  ourhandler. So we really only need this

    go to cardOrStackObject in window oStackName

And this works on Mobile, in fact it seems a bit more responsive? 

BUT  there is a rendering failure on leaving any stack whose main control is the browser widget? we have "go back" icons that close the stack with the browser widget? and go back ot he stack that "launched'' the view web stack. and the whole bottom navigation group disappears.

It seems like the fullScreenMode "showAll" is only registering the width of the stack but now the height of the stack is now too high? and (I am guessing) the bottom navigation group is below screen.  This "smells" like old issue with the browser rect on mobile?using showAll 

This does not happen if we just (using the above code that is commented out) open the "new" stack and wait 100 milliseconds and *then* close the "old" stack.  but, as already bug reported.. this is failing to render properly also on some Android devices.

which leaves only option to beg/pray for resolution of this bug

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20810


BR  wrote:

    "Something is wrong"  
    
    This works on desktop,  but fails on iOS. Nothing happens at all. it stays on the same, open stack and does not navigate to/open the new stack declared in "go
    
      put the windowID of stack oStackName into tWindowID  # current open stack 
      go to cardOrStackObject  in window tWindowID
    
    # where "cardOrStackObject" is a string in the form of .e.g
    # stack "gems  OR card 2 of stack "gems"  OR card "video" of stack surprise
    



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Jan  4 22:09:53 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 03:09:53 +0000
Subject: Go in Window (not working) Go in A window "working"
In-Reply-To: <71A61F95-58A7-4B5F-BBA6-F51DB7C52185@hindu.org>
References: <6E5F5B5D-AF01-4756-B742-B97593EEBA17@hindu.org>
	<99ae0a27-4ca6-80cd-2ad2-5ef782540125@hyperactivesw.com>
	<996DC382-597D-4FAB-83E5-82C36DDB3A0D@hindu.org>
	<365c32ac0b47c549820d7cf42298459d@livecode.com>
	<A5CA67A6-CA14-426B-8431-92415804C179@hindu.org>
	<71A61F95-58A7-4B5F-BBA6-F51DB7C52185@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaUgmAKMaiogKisBeQg5pX0_RMmQtu11kRq+fQhU2oVFA@mail.gmail.com>

Just a wild guess, but did you attempt to reset the full screen mode in the
new stack? (Can?t tell from the above if you set it in each stack or just
the first)
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:39 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> FWIW:
>
> Seems my error was (not in dict) that I should have been doing
>
> put the ID of the topstack into tWindowID
> go to cardOrStackObject in window id tWindowID
>
>
> Well I've been tinkering testing this for two days? made the mistake of
> making too many changes, then threw out that branch? went back to a working
> branch and start just toggling between this
>
>    --    go  cardOrStackObject  # e.g   go "gems" (or this string)  go
> card 3 of "gems"
>    --    wait 100 milliseconds with messages
>    --    close stack oStackName
>    --    wait 100 milliseconds with messages
>
> versus this, where the top stack short name is already known by
> ourhandler. So we really only need this
>
>     go to cardOrStackObject in window oStackName
>
> And this works on Mobile, in fact it seems a bit more responsive?
>
> BUT  there is a rendering failure on leaving any stack whose main control
> is the browser widget? we have "go back" icons that close the stack with
> the browser widget? and go back ot he stack that "launched'' the view web
> stack. and the whole bottom navigation group disappears.
>
> It seems like the fullScreenMode "showAll" is only registering the width
> of the stack but now the height of the stack is now too high? and (I am
> guessing) the bottom navigation group is below screen.  This "smells" like
> old issue with the browser rect on mobile?using showAll
>
> This does not happen if we just (using the above code that is commented
> out) open the "new" stack and wait 100 milliseconds and *then* close the
> "old" stack.  but, as already bug reported.. this is failing to render
> properly also on some Android devices.
>
> which leaves only option to beg/pray for resolution of this bug
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20810
>
>
> BR  wrote:
>
>     "Something is wrong"
>
>     This works on desktop,  but fails on iOS. Nothing happens at all. it
> stays on the same, open stack and does not navigate to/open the new stack
> declared in "go
>
>       put the windowID of stack oStackName into tWindowID  # current open
> stack
>       go to cardOrStackObject  in window tWindowID
>
>     # where "cardOrStackObject" is a string in the form of .e.g
>     # stack "gems  OR card 2 of stack "gems"  OR card "video" of stack
> surprise
>
>
>
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From james at thehales.id.au  Thu Jan  4 22:34:00 2018
From: james at thehales.id.au (James At The Hale)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 14:34:00 +1100
Subject: Print to PDF needs extending
Message-ID: <A7775D4D-EFFB-41D9-A719-D61F3E637B43@thehales.id.au>

?PDF (Portable Document Format) is a file format that has captured all the elements of a printed document as an electronic image that you can view, navigate, print, or forward to someone else.?

So if PDF is basically a representation of a printed doc, then a pdf of a text field doesn?t actually make sense, in that the text field does not represent what the printed document would like like.

But if you made a card as big as the page you want to print, layout the text field to suit, add anything else you wanted, that would work and make sense.

Hang on. That?s how it works now.







From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Jan  4 22:42:48 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 03:42:48 +0000
Subject: Two new videos about using Navigator with LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtovWcAwT+j6jp2UtAXsnxM2QpRTOJ1mExkb-WGtSrwWgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtovWcAwT+j6jp2UtAXsnxM2QpRTOJ1mExkb-WGtSrwWgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70945F36-B7D1-446B-81EC-41C84313E425@hindu.org>

Geoff

wow this is the tool I've been waiting for!

I just fixed a series of fields on 8 cards that carried that old single blank line script that used to be saved in by default? using Navigator it was so easy.

FYI" the script handler's for a long script on ly stack are being filtered to show only functions.  all the commands to not appear in your handler list.

How do you want bug reports sent?

Do we need to clean up the old navigator? at first the on-board 2.* showed up but then after downloading and putting into my Plug'ss folder the latest 4.5 beta 2 is the default.  But I wonder if some prefs or something might be saved that would block the appearance of commands in the list of handlers.

I can send you the script off list if you want? we have a lot of comments in there? possibly breaking your look up..?

BR

On 1/3/18, 6:26 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Geoff Canyon via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    The Script Menu: https://youtu.be/25q-D8k_z2s
    Lets you easily copy and paste scripts into objects. Displays all the
    handlers from both an object and its behavior. Select any handler to edit
    the script and jump to that handler. Lets you call any handler, function,
    getProp, or setProp, including passing in parameters, and for functions and
    getProp displays the result/property so you can see/copy it.


From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Jan  5 00:06:05 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:06:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: How to tell if it's a datagrid
In-Reply-To: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>
References: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1515128765037-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi.

Can you both check dgProp ["control type"] AND see if the owner of that
control is a group where that property also exists?

Or, and I hesitate to mention it, why not just either name all your DG's a
certain way, or set a custom property for each of them? After all, you had
to have created them in the first place.

Perhaps this exercise comes after the fact?

Craig Newman  



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  5 00:59:54 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 23:59:54 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZxM6c0WvJ=BXe6NHs8ptojJyaEu7cBWus=Act0ao5q1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7740F101-5817-4AE1-B4BA-98692A7DA74E@hyperhh.de>
	<CA+yhkRZxM6c0WvJ=BXe6NHs8ptojJyaEu7cBWus=Act0ao5q1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cacd29ac-0f8b-979b-2f94-af9f0eda6983@hyperactivesw.com>

Very nice, thanks. It took me a bit to figure out the icomoon web app, 
but now I've got the whole feather set and your script works well.

On 1/4/18 8:26 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> Here's a bit of code to handle the feather set when converted by icomoon.io
> (which could have multiple path statements):
> 
> on dragEnter
>    local tFile, tSVG, tIndex, tLine
>    set the dragAction to "copy"
>    put line 1 of the dragdata["files"] into me
>    put url ("file:" & me) into tFile
>    set linedel to "<path d="
>    set itemdel to quote
>    put 0 into tIndex
>    repeat for each line tLine in tFile
>      add 1 to tIndex
>      if tIndex is 1 then next repeat
>      put item 2 of tLine after tSVG
>    end repeat
>    set the iconPath of widget 1 to tSVG
> end dragEnter
> 
> The feather set worked fine after adding the loop.  (Some, like the
> calendar, were already a single path though).  As long as they are just a
> sequence of path elements, I'm guessing this should work.
> 
> If you want to see the actual SVG, just add another field and "put tFile
> into field 2"
> 
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:19 PM, hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> These SVGs are fine.
>>
>> 1. download the zip from github
>> https://codeload.github.com/leungwensen/svg-icon/zip/master
>> (29.7 MByte, unpacks to 61.4 MByte)
>>
>> 2. open one of the folders in dist/svg, e.g. dist/svg/flat
>> 3. make a stack with one field and one svg widget:
>>
>> Script the field as follows
>>
>> on dragenter
>>    set the dragaction to "copy"
>>    put line 1 of the dragdata["files"] into me
>>    put url("file:"& me) into s
>>    set linedel to "<path d="
>>    set itemdel to quote
>>    put item 2 of line 2 of s into p
>>    set the iconPath of widget 1 to p
>> end dragenter
>>
>> 4. drag one of the file icons from the finder to the field.
>>
>> Works here, for all tested icons, using LC 8 and LC 9.
>>
>> @JLG: Wrote by a German, also for Americans.
>> @BM: Thanks for the link to that wonderful repository.
>>
>>
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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Fri Jan  5 05:04:14 2018
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 10:04:14 +0000
Subject: Mac 64 bit?
Message-ID: <26CB3E6D-C866-47B0-AB9C-2038D3412BED@applicationinsight.com>

+1

LC9 is stable as far as I?m concerned and has been for many months, I?m using it for development and deployment

Kind regards

Dave

PS: it?s also a pain to have to delete and reapply widgets when moving back and forth between LC8 and 9?


> One more reason to use the most recent build during development: 
> 
> In v9 you'll find that's already done: 64-bit is now the default, 
> "Experimental" has been removed, as "(Deprecated)" is now added next to 
> 32-bit. 


From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Jan  5 06:08:23 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 12:08:23 +0100
Subject: Finding the 'Applications' folder on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <5383AA84-CDD8-488C-8846-C4B5180E99FE@major-k.de>
References: <6AA27573-6E02-4217-94AF-1436C86E3F20@mac.com>
	<5383AA84-CDD8-488C-8846-C4B5180E99FE@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <EA352F92-C2BB-4BF4-924C-F0CBF226196F@mac.com>

Gems indeed! If they always work, I wonder why the mother ship hasn?t incorporated them into the LC Dictionary. Anyway thanks Klaus, and of course thanks Ken Ray.

Graham


> On 4 Jan 2018, at 23:59, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham,
> 
>> Am 04.01.2018 um 23:46 schrieb Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> It looks to me that specialFolderPath doesn?t give a way of finding the /Applications folder on a Mac (or presumably the equivalent on a PC). If one is running a standalone which has been placed in the Applications folder, then it is possible to start with specialFolderPath(?engine?) and work back to the Applications directory, but I suspect this is fraught with uncertainty. Has anyone a solution?
> 
> ...
> put specialfolderpath("apps") into tApplicationFolder
> ...
> 
> Found this and more gemns here: <http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/tips/file010.htm>
> 
>> Graham 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jan  5 07:11:02 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 13:11:02 +0100
Subject: Lower part of Script Editor (the one with variabels etc.)
	disappeared, how to get it back?
Message-ID: <255393BD-DBBB-4BE4-9A17-AC7A7D130A41@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

the subject says it all.

Out of a sudden*** the lower part of the script editor diappeared
from his machine. The part with the variables, Find etc.
How can we get it back? We really cannot debug this way :-/

He is using a MacBook and LC 2.18.

***We have no idea when and how it disapperaed.

Thanks for any hint!


Best

Klaus
--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  5 07:20:43 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 12:20:43 +0000
Subject: How to tell if it's a datagrid
In-Reply-To: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>
References: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9-T-6m2hp1ZXjLkjz98jrXKySh=DFWYYknLFaapt0HwA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 6:13 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Given an object reference, how can I tell the object is a datagrid?


You could check to see if the long id of your target control is the
dgControl of the target control. If it is then you have a data grid.

- -
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

>


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 07:44:06 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 07:44:06 -0500
Subject: Two new videos about using Navigator with LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <70945F36-B7D1-446B-81EC-41C84313E425@hindu.org>
References: <CAKCLKtovWcAwT+j6jp2UtAXsnxM2QpRTOJ1mExkb-WGtSrwWgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<70945F36-B7D1-446B-81EC-41C84313E425@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <3C300D91-422B-4299-8BF4-51F1D153BFA8@gmail.com>

Email is fine for bug reports; I don't get that many.

gc

> On Jan 4, 2018, at 10:42 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Geoff
> 
> wow this is the tool I've been waiting for!
> 
> I just fixed a series of fields on 8 cards that carried that old single blank line script that used to be saved in by default? using Navigator it was so easy.
> 
> FYI" the script handler's for a long script on ly stack are being filtered to show only functions.  all the commands to not appear in your handler list.
> 
> How do you want bug reports sent?
> 
> Do we need to clean up the old navigator? at first the on-board 2.* showed up but then after downloading and putting into my Plug'ss folder the latest 4.5 beta 2 is the default.  But I wonder if some prefs or something might be saved that would block the appearance of commands in the list of handlers.
> 
> I can send you the script off list if you want? we have a lot of comments in there? possibly breaking your look up..?
> 
> BR
> 
> On 1/3/18, 6:26 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Geoff Canyon via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>    The Script Menu: https://youtu.be/25q-D8k_z2s
>    Lets you easily copy and paste scripts into objects. Displays all the
>    handlers from both an object and its behavior. Select any handler to edit
>    the script and jump to that handler. Lets you call any handler, function,
>    getProp, or setProp, including passing in parameters, and for functions and
>    getProp displays the result/property so you can see/copy it.
> 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  5 08:42:12 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 07:42:12 -0600
Subject: Cancel browser widget navigation?
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG92hDpWVM_qxv=EzZe0ShYeCcYsmFTj92ZnDadA9ucgKA@mail.gmail.com>

Other than injecting javascript into each web page that cancels clicks on
links, is there a way to cancel user clicks on links in a browser widget?

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jan  5 08:48:32 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 08:48:32 -0500
Subject: How to tell if it's a datagrid
In-Reply-To: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>
References: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPPkctc5mbi=M7ejbmbmBEMNQSs7cAcgxs0AikF+TtW2g@mail.gmail.com>

uhhh guessing:  can you check if the object has a parent?  If the parent is
a datagrid, then the object is not a datagrid

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Given an object reference, how can I tell the object is a datagrid? You
> might say, get the dgProp ["control type"], but every object contained
> within a datagrid group will ALSO return "data grid". In fact, EVERY dgProp
> arguement for every item in a datagrid group will do the same.
>
> The reason I ask is that I want to get the minimum left/top and maximum
> right/bottom of every VISIBLE object on a card that is NOT a group but
> notwithstanding INCLUDING Datagrids, so that I can set the rect of the card
> containing them in a consistent way. The thing is, groups have margins (I'm
> not going to set the margins of all my groups to 0) and these are not
> visible, so could skew the positioning of what IS visible. Datagrids do NOT
> have margins that I can tell, even though they are groups. For example, if
> I had a group on the left edge but not on the right edge, the objects on
> the card would look off center.
>
> Bob S
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jan  5 09:05:43 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 09:05:43 -0500
Subject: How to tell if it's a datagrid
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPPkctc5mbi=M7ejbmbmBEMNQSs7cAcgxs0AikF+TtW2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycPPkctc5mbi=M7ejbmbmBEMNQSs7cAcgxs0AikF+TtW2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPQwBLg9cVFFkMEWtF+3sjxBqf7r+gAgHGJuVKqN8hihg@mail.gmail.com>

whoa.  everyone else's replies didn't show up until just now, and they're
all above mine.  weird email glitch this AM.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> uhhh guessing:  can you check if the object has a parent?  If the parent
> is a datagrid, then the object is not a datagrid
>
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 7:13 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Given an object reference, how can I tell the object is a datagrid? You
>> might say, get the dgProp ["control type"], but every object contained
>> within a datagrid group will ALSO return "data grid". In fact, EVERY dgProp
>> arguement for every item in a datagrid group will do the same.
>>
>> The reason I ask is that I want to get the minimum left/top and maximum
>> right/bottom of every VISIBLE object on a card that is NOT a group but
>> notwithstanding INCLUDING Datagrids, so that I can set the rect of the card
>> containing them in a consistent way. The thing is, groups have margins (I'm
>> not going to set the margins of all my groups to 0) and these are not
>> visible, so could skew the positioning of what IS visible. Datagrids do NOT
>> have margins that I can tell, even though they are groups. For example, if
>> I had a group on the left edge but not on the right edge, the objects on
>> the card would look off center.
>>
>> Bob S
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From dave at applicationinsight.com  Fri Jan  5 09:58:20 2018
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 07:58:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: The coming of SVG
In-Reply-To: <1510154220809-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <9b4b2d74e230e7a8c83716d9447f7419@livecode.com>
	<1510154220809-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi - anyone got news on 'VectorIcon' or whatever it's going to be called? I
was thinking it would arrive with LC (dp11) but it didn't

When using Mark's external that he shared on LC Global I can get it working
in the IDE but it's a no-show on an iOS device (amongst other errors I get
"864,7,1 unable to load sag compiler")

Regards

Dave



-----
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Peter M. Brigham 
--
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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Fri Jan  5 10:00:23 2018
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 08:00:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: The coming of SVG
In-Reply-To: <1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <9b4b2d74e230e7a8c83716d9447f7419@livecode.com>
	<1510154220809-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1515164423700-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

he he -  that should be "svg compiler"

Dave



-----
"The first 90% of the task takes 90% of the time, and the last 10% takes the other 90% of the time."
Peter M. Brigham 
--
Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html



From hh at hyperhh.de  Fri Jan  5 10:01:54 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 16:01:54 +0100
Subject: Cancel browser widget navigation?
Message-ID: <36F0CAD9-2D90-4532-B251-058890D6CF0E@hyperhh.de>

> Trevor D. wrote:
> Other than injecting javascript into each web page that cancels clicks on
> links, is there a way to cancel user clicks on links in a browser widget?

1. Cancel while navigating:
Catch the "current" htmltext:

on browserNavigateBegin
     set the currentHTML of me to the htmltext of me
end browserNavigateBegin

Then cancel with
set the htmltext of widget 1 to the currentHTML of widget 1.

If the navigation is fast this is the same as navigating back.

2. Don't do the navigation in the widget but later on in browsers:
Not really from a widget property. But you could use an attribute that the
widget can't do: to open a new window. This works in "hhTextEditBasic".

set the htmltext of widget 1 to
<a href="http://www.screensteps.com" target="_blank">Trevor's Site</a>



From mark at livecode.com  Fri Jan  5 10:03:32 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:03:32 +0100
Subject: The coming of SVG
In-Reply-To: <1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <9b4b2d74e230e7a8c83716d9447f7419@livecode.com>
	<1510154220809-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2ac801c73a0d5fe1698197e0d0b29123@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-05 15:58, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi - anyone got news on 'VectorIcon' or whatever it's going to be 
> called? I
> was thinking it would arrive with LC (dp11) but it didn't

It did - but not in widget form.

There is a script library which compiles an SVG file into a metafile 
format called a 'drawing'.

Then the image object has been prodded so you can set the text of an 
image to said metafile data and it will render the SVG represented by 
it.

Take a look in the dictionary under drawingSvgCompile().

> When using Mark's external that he shared on LC Global I can get it 
> working
> in the IDE but it's a no-show on an iOS device (amongst other errors I 
> get
> "864,7,1 unable to load sag compiler")

Yes - there was an issue with inclusions in extensions - that should be 
fixed in dp11. However, the support for rendering drawings is in the 
engine - so you only need to include the drawing SVG compiler library if 
you want to compile SVGs on the fly.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  5 10:18:13 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 09:18:13 -0600
Subject: Cancel browser widget navigation?
In-Reply-To: <36F0CAD9-2D90-4532-B251-058890D6CF0E@hyperhh.de>
References: <36F0CAD9-2D90-4532-B251-058890D6CF0E@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG82jfy1Fir-=tDC5hovLjv+soDWg8fBSxvDgCJV2Etw0g@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 9:01 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > Trevor D. wrote:
> > Other than injecting javascript into each web page that cancels clicks on
> > links, is there a way to cancel user clicks on links in a browser widget?
>
> 1. Cancel while navigating:
> Catch the "current" htmltext:
>
> on browserNavigateBegin
>      set the currentHTML of me to the htmltext of me
> end browserNavigateBegin
>
> Then cancel with
> set the htmltext of widget 1 to the currentHTML of widget 1.
>
> If the navigation is fast this is the same as navigating back.
>

Thanks for responding.

If I understand what you are suggesting then the problem is that the
vertical scroll of the page would be reset. There is no guarantee that the
page load will happen quickly. The user will most likely see the navigation
occur and then the original page refresh. I want to cancel navigation
before it ever occurs.


> 2. Don't do the navigation in the widget but later on in browsers:
> Not really from a widget property. But you could use an attribute that the
> widget can't do: to open a new window. This works in "hhTextEditBasic".
>
> set the htmltext of widget 1 to
> <a href="http://www.screensteps.com" target="_blank">Trevor's Site</a>
>

The browser widget I?m working with is a Froala editor. The user will be
inserting their own content into the browser widget.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 10:34:16 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 15:34:16 +0000
Subject: Lower part of Script Editor (the one with variabels etc.)
	disappeared, how to get it back?
In-Reply-To: <255393BD-DBBB-4BE4-9A17-AC7A7D130A41@major-k.de>
References: <255393BD-DBBB-4BE4-9A17-AC7A7D130A41@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <096E44D4-59F0-4896-884E-D2ABFFB81851@iotecdigital.com>

At the bottom of the script window there should be 2 horizontal bars about 3/8 inch long. This is the handle for the split pane control. 

Bob S


> On Jan 5, 2018, at 04:11 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> the subject says it all.
> 
> Out of a sudden*** the lower part of the script editor diappeared
> from his machine. The part with the variables, Find etc.
> How can we get it back? We really cannot debug this way :-/
> 
> He is using a MacBook and LC 2.18.
> 
> ***We have no idea when and how it disapperaed.
> 
> Thanks for any hint!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 10:39:21 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 15:39:21 +0000
Subject: How to tell if it's a datagrid
In-Reply-To: <1515128765037-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>
	<1515128765037-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <574C3E58-9267-4F2A-96A7-61785C88690D@iotecdigital.com>

Hi Craig. Thanks for the reply. 

One of the goals of any utility script I write is to make it usable in any circumstance. Using naming conventions violates this principle. However your first comment seems like it would work. There is only one control where the dgProp ["control type"] is "data grid" but not for the owner, and that is the datagrid itself. That might do the trick! I must have been in a coding fog not to think of that yesterday afternoon. It's been getting foggy of late. ;-)

Bob S


> On Jan 4, 2018, at 21:06 , dunbarx via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Can you both check dgProp ["control type"] AND see if the owner of that
> control is a group where that property also exists?
> 
> Or, and I hesitate to mention it, why not just either name all your DG's a
> certain way, or set a custom property for each of them? After all, you had
> to have created them in the first place.
> 
> Perhaps this exercise comes after the fact?
> 
> Craig Newman  




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 10:41:04 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 15:41:04 +0000
Subject: How to tell if it's a datagrid
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPPkctc5mbi=M7ejbmbmBEMNQSs7cAcgxs0AikF+TtW2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycPPkctc5mbi=M7ejbmbmBEMNQSs7cAcgxs0AikF+TtW2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09DEED3A-3CE2-4C25-AA22-B3D5CDCD8749@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks all for the replies. I guess everyone figured it out  but me. :-0

Bob S


> On Jan 5, 2018, at 05:48 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> uhhh guessing:  can you check if the object has a parent?  If the parent is
> a datagrid, then the object is not a datagrid




From hh at hyperhh.de  Fri Jan  5 10:45:17 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 16:45:17 +0100
Subject: Cancel browser widget navigation?
Message-ID: <1D623A0C-D6F3-4630-8E3A-A109AA7F56C2@hyperhh.de>

> > hh wrote:
> > 2. Don't do the navigation in the widget but later on in browsers:
> > Not really from a widget property. But you could use an attribute that the
> > widget can't do: to open a new window. This works in "hhTextEditBasic".
> >
> > set the htmltext of widget 1 to
> > <a href="http://www.screensteps.com" target="_blank">Trevor's Site</a>
> >
> 
> TD wrote:
> The browser widget I?m working with is a Froala editor. The user will be
> inserting their own content into the browser widget.

Then you could add in "onChange" of the editor an insert of target="_blank".
So the links won't work in the widget but in browsers.
I use this in the free hhTextEdit-Full (to appear) that also does editing like
the paid Froala.
May be similar to this (here written with jQuery), preserving on-page-links:

onChange: function(contents, $editable) {
$('a').each(function () {
if ($(this).attr('href').charAt(0) != '#') $(this).attr('target','_blank');});
}




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 10:45:21 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 15:45:21 +0000
Subject: Finding the 'Applications' folder on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <EA352F92-C2BB-4BF4-924C-F0CBF226196F@mac.com>
References: <6AA27573-6E02-4217-94AF-1436C86E3F20@mac.com>
	<5383AA84-CDD8-488C-8846-C4B5180E99FE@major-k.de>
	<EA352F92-C2BB-4BF4-924C-F0CBF226196F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7DEBE1BC-7997-4939-9C5D-AA7F0D33C32C@iotecdigital.com>

That IS handy!

Bob S


> On Jan 5, 2018, at 03:08 , Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> ...
>> put specialfolderpath("apps") into tApplicationFolder
>> ...
>> 
>> Found this and more gemns here: <http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/tips/file010.htm>
>> 
>>> Graham 
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Klaus




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  5 10:59:04 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 09:59:04 -0600
Subject: Cancel browser widget navigation?
In-Reply-To: <1D623A0C-D6F3-4630-8E3A-A109AA7F56C2@hyperhh.de>
References: <1D623A0C-D6F3-4630-8E3A-A109AA7F56C2@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_Xm-Fns2+Lc4nf3a8ed1QhrrAXLoEcJ37nyEOLZ6vV7Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 9:45 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > > hh wrote:
> > > 2. Don't do the navigation in the widget but later on in browsers:
> > > Not really from a widget property. But you could use an attribute that
> the
> > > widget can't do: to open a new window. This works in "hhTextEditBasic".
> > >
> > > set the htmltext of widget 1 to
> > > <a href="http://www.screensteps.com" target="_blank">Trevor's Site</a>
> > >
> >
> > TD wrote:
> > The browser widget I?m working with is a Froala editor. The user will be
> > inserting their own content into the browser widget.
>
> Then you could add in "onChange" of the editor an insert of
> target="_blank".
> So the links won't work in the widget but in browsers.
> I use this in the free hhTextEdit-Full (to appear) that also does editing
> like
> the paid Froala.
> May be similar to this (here written with jQuery), preserving
> on-page-links:
>
> onChange: function(contents, $editable) {
> $('a').each(function () {
> if ($(this).attr('href').charAt(0) != '#') $(this).attr('target','_blank'
> );});
> }
>

Yes, I am aware of how to cancel clicks using JavaScript. Remember that my
original post stated that I was looking for a way to cancel navigation
using a method other than JavaScript (which is the solution I?m currently
using) :-)

Ideally the browser widget would allow us to cancel navigation links using
LCS.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com


From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Jan  5 11:21:16 2018
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Bleiler, Timothy)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 16:21:16 +0000
Subject: The coming of SVG
In-Reply-To: <2ac801c73a0d5fe1698197e0d0b29123@livecode.com>
References: <9b4b2d74e230e7a8c83716d9447f7419@livecode.com>
	<1510154220809-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2ac801c73a0d5fe1698197e0d0b29123@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <62A9C4CF-30CF-4EA5-9E5D-528FD2728676@buffalo.edu>

I?ve been testing this a little and I?ve run into some files that don?t render correctly. 

I?ve attached a simple example I found on the internet  that contains this info about how it was created - Generator: Adobe Illustrator 22.0.1, SVG Export Plug-In . SVG Version: 6.00 Build 0).  

When I tried to display this in the image control as described, I get just an outline of the drawing filled black. I?m using Mac OS with Livecode 9.0.0 (dp 11)

Have I missed a critical part of the process or should this be filed as a bug?



-------------- next part --------------




Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
Instructional Designer, HSIT
University at Buffalo



> On Jan 5, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 2018-01-05 15:58, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi - anyone got news on 'VectorIcon' or whatever it's going to be called? I
>> was thinking it would arrive with LC (dp11) but it didn't
> 
> It did - but not in widget form.
> 
> There is a script library which compiles an SVG file into a metafile format called a 'drawing'.
> 
> Then the image object has been prodded so you can set the text of an image to said metafile data and it will render the SVG represented by it.
> 
> Take a look in the dictionary under drawingSvgCompile().
> 
>> When using Mark's external that he shared on LC Global I can get it working
>> in the IDE but it's a no-show on an iOS device (amongst other errors I get
>> "864,7,1 unable to load sag compiler")
> 
> Yes - there was an issue with inclusions in extensions - that should be fixed in dp11. However, the support for rendering drawings is in the engine - so you only need to include the drawing SVG compiler library if you want to compile SVGs on the fly.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From hh at hyperhh.de  Fri Jan  5 11:23:02 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:23:02 +0100
Subject: Cancel browser widget navigation?
Message-ID: <0BD4C5EF-0715-4402-98D7-442AECEB3AB5@hyperhh.de>

> Yes, I am aware of how to cancel clicks using JavaScript. Remember that my
> original post stated that I was looking for a way to cancel navigation
> using a method other than JavaScript (which is the solution I?m currently
> using) :-)
> 
> Ideally the browser widget would allow us to cancel navigation links using
> LCS.

Assuming you mean "block" with "cancel".

The browser widget doesn't know anything about what you do in the editor.
It has always the original htmltext you used for starting the editor.

So, how should this work without using a lot of JavaScript (eventually changing libbrowser)?


From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Jan  5 11:31:13 2018
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Bleiler, Timothy)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 16:31:13 +0000
Subject: The coming of SVG
In-Reply-To: <62A9C4CF-30CF-4EA5-9E5D-528FD2728676@buffalo.edu>
References: <9b4b2d74e230e7a8c83716d9447f7419@livecode.com>
	<1510154220809-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2ac801c73a0d5fe1698197e0d0b29123@livecode.com>
	<62A9C4CF-30CF-4EA5-9E5D-528FD2728676@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <402DA94C-A977-4410-9EA0-077FC77075AD@buffalo.edu>

Oops, I guess we can?t send attachments to the list.

Here is a link to the file I tested.  

https://lovesvg.com/2018/01/cat-5169/



Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
Instructional Designer, HSIT
University at Buffalo



> On Jan 5, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Bleiler, Timothy via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ve been testing this a little and I?ve run into some files that don?t render correctly. 
> 
> I?ve attached a simple example I found on the internet  that contains this info about how it was created - Generator: Adobe Illustrator 22.0.1, SVG Export Plug-In . SVG Version: 6.00 Build 0).  
> 
> When I tried to display this in the image control as described, I get just an outline of the drawing filled black. I?m using Mac OS with Livecode 9.0.0 (dp 11)
> 
> Have I missed a critical part of the process or should this be filed as a bug?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Bleiler, Ph.D.
> Instructional Designer, HSIT
> University at Buffalo
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2018-01-05 15:58, Dave Kilroy via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi - anyone got news on 'VectorIcon' or whatever it's going to be called? I
>>> was thinking it would arrive with LC (dp11) but it didn't
>> 
>> It did - but not in widget form.
>> 
>> There is a script library which compiles an SVG file into a metafile format called a 'drawing'.
>> 
>> Then the image object has been prodded so you can set the text of an image to said metafile data and it will render the SVG represented by it.
>> 
>> Take a look in the dictionary under drawingSvgCompile().
>> 
>>> When using Mark's external that he shared on LC Global I can get it working
>>> in the IDE but it's a no-show on an iOS device (amongst other errors I get
>>> "864,7,1 unable to load sag compiler")
>> 
>> Yes - there was an issue with inclusions in extensions - that should be fixed in dp11. However, the support for rendering drawings is in the engine - so you only need to include the drawing SVG compiler library if you want to compile SVGs on the fly.
>> 
>> Warmest Regards,
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>> 
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Jan  5 11:32:21 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 09:32:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Lower part of Script Editor (the one with variabels etc.)
	disappeared, how to get it back?
In-Reply-To: <096E44D4-59F0-4896-884E-D2ABFFB81851@iotecdigital.com>
References: <255393BD-DBBB-4BE4-9A17-AC7A7D130A41@major-k.de>
	<096E44D4-59F0-4896-884E-D2ABFFB81851@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1515169941639-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Klaus is new at this.

Be patient with him

Craig



--
Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  5 11:35:55 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 10:35:55 -0600
Subject: Cancel browser widget navigation?
In-Reply-To: <0BD4C5EF-0715-4402-98D7-442AECEB3AB5@hyperhh.de>
References: <0BD4C5EF-0715-4402-98D7-442AECEB3AB5@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9rBN=y27ZkzeZbmW_EMfPn3LfGmz6YLXDyMFndZUO-2A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:23 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The browser widget doesn't know anything about what you do in the editor.
> It has always the original htmltext you used for starting the editor.
>
> So, how should this work without using a lot of JavaScript (eventually
> changing libbrowser)?


The same way that browserLoadRequest works for the iOS mobile browser. If
you don?t pass the message then the url isn?t loaded.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com


From hh at hyperhh.de  Fri Jan  5 11:45:26 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:45:26 +0100
Subject: Cancel browser widget navigation?
Message-ID: <0C949F7A-31DB-47D7-B561-BE3F6FBFA4D0@hyperhh.de>

> > So, how should this work without using a lot of JavaScript (eventually
> > changing libbrowser)?
> 
> The same way that browserLoadRequest works for the iOS mobile browser. If
> you don?t pass the message then the url isn?t loaded.

This works from a WYSIWYG editor?


From mark at livecode.com  Fri Jan  5 11:54:44 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 17:54:44 +0100
Subject: The coming of SVG
In-Reply-To: <62A9C4CF-30CF-4EA5-9E5D-528FD2728676@buffalo.edu>
References: <9b4b2d74e230e7a8c83716d9447f7419@livecode.com>
	<1510154220809-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2ac801c73a0d5fe1698197e0d0b29123@livecode.com>
	<62A9C4CF-30CF-4EA5-9E5D-528FD2728676@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <7a1300ee17880889bcf233fecda323c9@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-05 17:21, Bleiler, Timothy via use-livecode wrote:
> I?ve been testing this a little and I?ve run into some files that
> don?t render correctly.
> 
> I?ve attached a simple example I found on the internet  that contains
> this info about how it was created - Generator: Adobe Illustrator
> 22.0.1, SVG Export Plug-In . SVG Version: 6.00 Build 0).
> 
> When I tried to display this in the image control as described, I get
> just an outline of the drawing filled black. I?m using Mac OS with
> Livecode 9.0.0 (dp 11)
> 
> Have I missed a critical part of the process or should this be filed as 
> a bug?

Please do file a bug with the SVG attached as an example.

In this case, it isn't working correctly because that SVG uses a <style> 
element, and then 'class' attributes on elements to provide their fill 
styles. The SVG compiler doesn't (as yet) understand <style> elements 
(which are embedded CSS style sheets).

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan  5 11:55:23 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 10:55:23 -0600
Subject: Cancel browser widget navigation?
In-Reply-To: <0C949F7A-31DB-47D7-B561-BE3F6FBFA4D0@hyperhh.de>
References: <0C949F7A-31DB-47D7-B561-BE3F6FBFA4D0@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_SSreQqwVuaR0Ovm8LrXqmVHdOQXGfiC_wdi8giTZCsw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:45 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> > > So, how should this work without using a lot of JavaScript (eventually
> > > changing libbrowser)?
> >
> > The same way that browserLoadRequest works for the iOS mobile browser. If
> > you don?t pass the message then the url isn?t loaded.
>
> This works from a WYSIWYG editor?


I assume it would work from any link clicked on in the mobile browser. In
the case of the mobile browser control on iOS webView notifies the instance
when the browser is being asked to load a url. The implementor (LiveCode in
this case) can say yes or no. LiveCode is dispatching the
browserLoadRequest message so that we can determine if the url should be
loaded using LCS. If we define the browserLoadRequest message in LCS but
don?t pass it then LiveCode tells webView not to load the url.

It would be nice to be able to do the same thing using the browser widget.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 12:10:12 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:10:12 +0000
Subject: Function for returning a list of objects on a card
Message-ID: <372A6B40-C126-49FA-92FE-E81524EA6098@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I put together a couple of handlers that will return all the objects on a card in the form of an array whose elements are the objects names as a return delimited list, the Long IDs as a return delimited list and an array of the properties of each object which properties are passed in a parameter. The syntax is:

put getCardObjects(pCardID, "rect,visible,owner") into aCardObjects

Set the second parameter to whatever properties you want returned. But here's the problem. The owner property returns empty. It works fine when I use the message box, but not in the script. That has to be a bug. Here is the code. If someone can verify they have the same problem and it is not an issue with my code, then I will post a bug report with a sample stack. Nothing on the QCC I can find. Put the following in a button on any card with objects: 

on mouseUp pButtonNumber
   put getParentCard(the long id of me) into pCardID
   put getCardObjects(pCardID, "rect,visible,owner") into aCardObjects
   breakpoint
end mouseUp

function getParentCard pObjectID
   put offset("card id", pObjectID) into tStartChar
   put char tStartChar to -1 of pObjectID into tCardID
   return tCardID
end getParentCard

function getCardObjects pCardLongId, pPropList   
   repeat with i = 1 to the num of controls in pCardLongId
      put the long id of control i of pCardLongID into tControl
      put the name of tControl into tControlName
      
      switch
         case the dgProp ["control type"] of tControl is "data grid" and \
               the dgProp ["control type"] of the owner of tControl is "data grid"
         next repeat -- This is a control of a datagrid. We only want the datagrid itself.
         break
      case the dgProp ["control type"] of tControl is "data grid" and \
            not (the dgProp ["control type"] of the owner of tControl is "data grid") 
      -- this is a datagrid
      add 1 to tCounter
      getObjectProps tControl, tControlName, tCounter, pPropList, aObjectData
      put tControlName & cr after tObjectNames
      put tControl & return after tTempObjectList
      next repeat
      break
end switch

-- what remains is a field, button or graphic object
add 1 to tCounter
getObjectProps tControl, tControlName, tCounter, pPropList, aObjectData
put tControlName & cr after tObjectNames
put tControl & return after tTempObjectList
end repeat

put tObjectNames into aObjects ["names"]
put tTempObjectList into aObjects ["IDs"]
put aObjectData into aObjects ["props"]
return aObjects
end getCardObjects

on getObjectProps pControl, pControlName, pIndex, pPropList, @aObjectData
   repeat for each item tProp in pPropList
      put the tProp of pControl into aObjectData [pIndex] [pControlName] [tProp]
   end repeat
end getObjectProps


From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Fri Jan  5 12:15:43 2018
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Bleiler, Timothy)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:15:43 +0000
Subject: The coming of SVG
In-Reply-To: <7a1300ee17880889bcf233fecda323c9@livecode.com>
References: <9b4b2d74e230e7a8c83716d9447f7419@livecode.com>
	<1510154220809-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2ac801c73a0d5fe1698197e0d0b29123@livecode.com>
	<62A9C4CF-30CF-4EA5-9E5D-528FD2728676@buffalo.edu>
	<7a1300ee17880889bcf233fecda323c9@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <FD9115EA-FA02-404F-A723-DB41BC9AFC9E@buffalo.edu>

Thank you, Mark.

This is bug report 20832. I included your response in the description.


> On Jan 5, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 2018-01-05 17:21, Bleiler, Timothy via use-livecode wrote:
>> I?ve been testing this a little and I?ve run into some files that
>> don?t render correctly.
>> I?ve attached a simple example I found on the internet  that contains
>> this info about how it was created - Generator: Adobe Illustrator
>> 22.0.1, SVG Export Plug-In . SVG Version: 6.00 Build 0).
>> When I tried to display this in the image control as described, I get
>> just an outline of the drawing filled black. I?m using Mac OS with
>> Livecode 9.0.0 (dp 11)
>> Have I missed a critical part of the process or should this be filed as a bug?
> 
> Please do file a bug with the SVG attached as an example.
> 
> In this case, it isn't working correctly because that SVG uses a <style> element, and then 'class' attributes on elements to provide their fill styles. The SVG compiler doesn't (as yet) understand <style> elements (which are embedded CSS style sheets).
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jan  5 12:19:17 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 12:19:17 -0500
Subject: How to tell if it's a datagrid
In-Reply-To: <09DEED3A-3CE2-4C25-AA22-B3D5CDCD8749@iotecdigital.com>
References: <89F12174-19FA-4FDB-873C-989A4A85B458@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycPPkctc5mbi=M7ejbmbmBEMNQSs7cAcgxs0AikF+TtW2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<09DEED3A-3CE2-4C25-AA22-B3D5CDCD8749@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOkcE3i7MaPWozKp7QzLYm6+zggm0OyQHTZjf_Q_HkdXQ@mail.gmail.com>

oooooh somebody's building a toy that we're all going to get to play with
soon...

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks all for the replies. I guess everyone figured it out  but me. :-0
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 2018, at 05:48 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > uhhh guessing:  can you check if the object has a parent?  If the parent
> is
> > a datagrid, then the object is not a datagrid
>
>
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jan  5 12:20:24 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 12:20:24 -0500
Subject: Function for returning a list of objects on a card
In-Reply-To: <372A6B40-C126-49FA-92FE-E81524EA6098@iotecdigital.com>
References: <372A6B40-C126-49FA-92FE-E81524EA6098@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPFMx0znO67FWn5r+VBz_Scgbbmz1_GemHtUuMNpN0Ftg@mail.gmail.com>

if you don't want to wait, read the project browser code.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:10 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I put together a couple of handlers that will return all the objects on a
> card in the form of an array whose elements are the objects names as a
> return delimited list, the Long IDs as a return delimited list and an array
> of the properties of each object which properties are passed in a
> parameter. The syntax is:
>
> put getCardObjects(pCardID, "rect,visible,owner") into aCardObjects
>
> Set the second parameter to whatever properties you want returned. But
> here's the problem. The owner property returns empty. It works fine when I
> use the message box, but not in the script. That has to be a bug. Here is
> the code. If someone can verify they have the same problem and it is not an
> issue with my code, then I will post a bug report with a sample stack.
> Nothing on the QCC I can find. Put the following in a button on any card
> with objects:
>
> on mouseUp pButtonNumber
>    put getParentCard(the long id of me) into pCardID
>    put getCardObjects(pCardID, "rect,visible,owner") into aCardObjects
>    breakpoint
> end mouseUp
>
> function getParentCard pObjectID
>    put offset("card id", pObjectID) into tStartChar
>    put char tStartChar to -1 of pObjectID into tCardID
>    return tCardID
> end getParentCard
>
> function getCardObjects pCardLongId, pPropList
>    repeat with i = 1 to the num of controls in pCardLongId
>       put the long id of control i of pCardLongID into tControl
>       put the name of tControl into tControlName
>
>       switch
>          case the dgProp ["control type"] of tControl is "data grid" and \
>                the dgProp ["control type"] of the owner of tControl is
> "data grid"
>          next repeat -- This is a control of a datagrid. We only want the
> datagrid itself.
>          break
>       case the dgProp ["control type"] of tControl is "data grid" and \
>             not (the dgProp ["control type"] of the owner of tControl is
> "data grid")
>       -- this is a datagrid
>       add 1 to tCounter
>       getObjectProps tControl, tControlName, tCounter, pPropList,
> aObjectData
>       put tControlName & cr after tObjectNames
>       put tControl & return after tTempObjectList
>       next repeat
>       break
> end switch
>
> -- what remains is a field, button or graphic object
> add 1 to tCounter
> getObjectProps tControl, tControlName, tCounter, pPropList, aObjectData
> put tControlName & cr after tObjectNames
> put tControl & return after tTempObjectList
> end repeat
>
> put tObjectNames into aObjects ["names"]
> put tTempObjectList into aObjects ["IDs"]
> put aObjectData into aObjects ["props"]
> return aObjects
> end getCardObjects
>
> on getObjectProps pControl, pControlName, pIndex, pPropList, @aObjectData
>    repeat for each item tProp in pPropList
>       put the tProp of pControl into aObjectData [pIndex] [pControlName]
> [tProp]
>    end repeat
> end getObjectProps
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 12:27:54 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:27:54 +0000
Subject: Function for returning a list of objects on a card
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPFMx0znO67FWn5r+VBz_Scgbbmz1_GemHtUuMNpN0Ftg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <372A6B40-C126-49FA-92FE-E81524EA6098@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycPFMx0znO67FWn5r+VBz_Scgbbmz1_GemHtUuMNpN0Ftg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A1E0CBD-210E-4B5B-A4D4-4D1941088BF1@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Mike, but code in which object? The Stack and Card scripts are empty. I know the Search stack displays the owner. I will check that out. 

Bob S


> On Jan 5, 2018, at 09:20 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> if you don't want to wait, read the project browser code.




From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jan  5 12:35:59 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 18:35:59 +0100
Subject: Lower part of Script Editor (the one with variabels etc.)
	disappeared, how to get it back?
In-Reply-To: <096E44D4-59F0-4896-884E-D2ABFFB81851@iotecdigital.com>
References: <255393BD-DBBB-4BE4-9A17-AC7A7D130A41@major-k.de>
	<096E44D4-59F0-4896-884E-D2ABFFB81851@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <3B02FA90-A96B-44A7-8465-C1878CB4EA4D@major-k.de>

Hi Bob,

> Am 05.01.2018 um 16:34 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> At the bottom of the script window there should be 2 horizontal bars about 3/8 inch long. This is the handle for the split pane control. 

thanks,yes, SHOULD be, but isn't! 8-)
We finally trashed the prefs to remoive this inconvenience.

> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2018, at 04:11 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> the subject says it all.
>> 
>> Out of a sudden*** the lower part of the script editor diappeared
>> from his machine. The part with the variables, Find etc.
>> How can we get it back? We really cannot debug this way :-/
>> 
>> He is using a MacBook and LC 2.18.
>> 
>> ***We have no idea when and how it disapperaed.
>> 
>> Thanks for any hint!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jan  5 12:37:37 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 18:37:37 +0100
Subject: Lower part of Script Editor (the one with variabels etc.)
	disappeared, how to get it back?
In-Reply-To: <1515169941639-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <255393BD-DBBB-4BE4-9A17-AC7A7D130A41@major-k.de>
	<096E44D4-59F0-4896-884E-D2ABFFB81851@iotecdigital.com>
	<1515169941639-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2A77DE38-290D-4474-A981-AD45BCE4A3EB@major-k.de>

Hi Craig,

> Am 05.01.2018 um 17:32 schrieb dunbarx via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Klaus is new at this.
> Be patient with him

thank you, you are very kind! 8-)

> Craig

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 12:56:27 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:56:27 +0000
Subject: Function for returning a list of objects on a card
In-Reply-To: <372A6B40-C126-49FA-92FE-E81524EA6098@iotecdigital.com>
References: <372A6B40-C126-49FA-92FE-E81524EA6098@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F0086965-F0F3-4EB2-B29E-16152BF2706D@iotecdigital.com>

Here is a workaround. Replace the getObjectProps function with the following function. I suspect there are other properties that will return empty instead of what they should. Apparently the long id will return empty too:

on getObjectProps pControl, pControlName, pIndex, pPropList, @aObjectData
   repeat for each item tProp in pPropList
      put pControlName into aObjectData [pIndex] ["controlname"]

      if tProp is "long id" then
         put pControl into aObjectData [pIndex] [tProp]
      else if tProp is "owner" then
         set wholeMatches to true
         put wordOffset("of", pControl) into tFoundWord
         if tFoundWord = 0 then
            put empty into aObjectData [pIndex] [tProp]
         else
            put word tFoundWord +1 to -1 of pControl into tOwnerID
            put the name of tOwnerID into aObjectData [pIndex] [tProp]
         end if
      else
         put the tProp of pControl into aObjectData [pIndex] [tProp]
      end if
   end repeat
end getObjectProps

> On Jan 5, 2018, at 09:10 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> I put together a couple of handlers that will return all the objects on a card in the form of an array whose elements are the objects names as a return delimited list, the Long IDs as a return delimited list and an array of the properties of each object which properties are passed in a parameter. The syntax is:
> 
> put getCardObjects(pCardID, "rect,visible,owner") into aCardObjects




From dave at applicationinsight.com  Fri Jan  5 13:11:14 2018
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:11:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: The coming of SVG
In-Reply-To: <2ac801c73a0d5fe1698197e0d0b29123@livecode.com>
References: <9b4b2d74e230e7a8c83716d9447f7419@livecode.com>
	<1510154220809-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2ac801c73a0d5fe1698197e0d0b29123@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <1515175874049-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Brilliant thanks Mark! :)

Kind regards

Dave



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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 14:04:44 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 19:04:44 +0000
Subject: SQL Query not working
Message-ID: <2B54B56D-D777-44DA-9AE2-ADB19D1EB184@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I know I'm missing something here, but this query works in an SQL editor, but does NOT work with revDBExecute():

create table "arraydata"
("recordid" NUMERIC PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL UNIQUE,
"rect" VARCHAR,
"controlname" VARCHAR,
"owner" VARCHAR,
"visible" VARCHAR)

put revOpenDatabase("sqlite", "MEMORY") into tDBID -- verified tDBID returns a number
put revDBExecute(tDBID, tCreateCommand) into tResult -- verified tCreateCommand is EXACTLY what worked in SQL Editor

The error I get in a try/catch construct is 
219,1198,14,revDBExecute

465,1198,14

No very descriptive. 

Any ideas?

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 14:08:36 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 19:08:36 +0000
Subject: SQL Query not working
In-Reply-To: <2B54B56D-D777-44DA-9AE2-ADB19D1EB184@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B54B56D-D777-44DA-9AE2-ADB19D1EB184@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <17A8BD5A-9D3D-4AAE-87C2-0899BE1CC702@iotecdigital.com>

OK So I just determined that I'm a moron. It's not revDBExecute it's revDB_Execute. DOH!

Bob S

> On Jan 5, 2018, at 11:04 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> I know I'm missing something here, but this query works in an SQL editor, but does NOT work with revDBExecute():
> 
> create table "arraydata"
> ("recordid" NUMERIC PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL UNIQUE,
> "rect" VARCHAR,
> "controlname" VARCHAR,
> "owner" VARCHAR,
> "visible" VARCHAR)
> 
> put revOpenDatabase("sqlite", "MEMORY") into tDBID -- verified tDBID returns a number
> put revDBExecute(tDBID, tCreateCommand) into tResult -- verified tCreateCommand is EXACTLY what worked in SQL Editor
> 
> The error I get in a try/catch construct is 
> 219,1198,14,revDBExecute
> 
> 465,1198,14
> 
> No very descriptive. 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Bob S
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 14:41:56 2018
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:41:56 -0800
Subject: SQL Query not working
In-Reply-To: <2B54B56D-D777-44DA-9AE2-ADB19D1EB184@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2B54B56D-D777-44DA-9AE2-ADB19D1EB184@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGaz0UcRrKwZHAsMHt2xyRwh7D9WsyNNM+JrLnLJrP97Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> put revOpenDatabase("sqlite", "MEMORY") into tDBID -- verified tDBID
> returns a number
>
> I think you need ":MEMORY:" rather than "MEMORY"


-- 
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(702) 508-8462


From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Jan  5 15:18:27 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 21:18:27 +0100
Subject: Visibility problem
Message-ID: <D3CCE000-A6E4-4F01-971E-BA719FD4D9EF@mac.com>

I have a substack which is supposed to contain logging data. It?s got a single card and a single scrolling field. Being at an early stage of development, I have this bit of code to be sure it?s working:

put empty into fld "TheLog" of cd "Log" of stack "TheUninstallLog"

set the visible of stack "TheUninstallLog" to true

put the visible of stack "TheUninstallLog"

answer "We should see the log window now! Its visibility is" && (the vis of stack "TheUninstallLog")


Under the IDE, I do indeed see the stack, but in a standalone, I get the ?answer? output showing the visibility to be true, but it remains invisible.

What did I do wrong?

TIA

Graham

From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Jan  5 15:23:24 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 21:23:24 +0100
Subject: Trying to delete a Mac application
Message-ID: <4790BD2A-B4E1-4CC8-811A-031F524A359D@mac.com>

Thanks to Klaus and Ken, I know how to address the Mac Applications folder. But when I try to delete an app (which I take to be a folder of the form xxx.app) by script, I get a result ?can?t delete that file?. But as a user -admittedly with admin privileges - I can move any app into the trash.

What am doing wrong?

Graham


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jan  5 15:29:01 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 15:29:01 -0500
Subject: Visibility problem
In-Reply-To: <D3CCE000-A6E4-4F01-971E-BA719FD4D9EF@mac.com>
References: <D3CCE000-A6E4-4F01-971E-BA719FD4D9EF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNbCfVc8sgVKhpya-j_C9yb20HU-5AnmtXKub9AhtwFFA@mail.gmail.com>

did you bring the stack to the front?

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 3:18 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have a substack which is supposed to contain logging data. It?s got a
> single card and a single scrolling field. Being at an early stage of
> development, I have this bit of code to be sure it?s working:
>
> put empty into fld "TheLog" of cd "Log" of stack "TheUninstallLog"
>
> set the visible of stack "TheUninstallLog" to true
>
> put the visible of stack "TheUninstallLog"
>
> answer "We should see the log window now! Its visibility is" && (the vis
> of stack "TheUninstallLog")
>
>
> Under the IDE, I do indeed see the stack, but in a standalone, I get the
> ?answer? output showing the visibility to be true, but it remains invisible.
>
> What did I do wrong?
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jan  5 15:30:58 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:30:58 +0100
Subject: Trying to delete a Mac application
In-Reply-To: <4790BD2A-B4E1-4CC8-811A-031F524A359D@mac.com>
References: <4790BD2A-B4E1-4CC8-811A-031F524A359D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <15161851-A104-4871-B4CE-378713485A4F@major-k.de>

Hi Graham,

> Am 05.01.2018 um 21:23 schrieb Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thanks to Klaus and Ken, I know how to address the Mac Applications folder. But when I try to delete an app (which I take to be a folder of the form xxx.app) by script, I get a result ?can?t delete that file?. But as a user -admittedly with admin privileges - I can move any app into the trash.
> 
> What am doing wrong?

no idea, sorry.

But did you try an with AppleScript?
#####################################################
tell application "Finder"
  delete file "Application name" of folder "Applications" of startup disk
end tell
#####################################################

> Graham

Best

Klaus

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  5 16:13:13 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 15:13:13 -0600
Subject: Trying to delete a Mac application
In-Reply-To: <4790BD2A-B4E1-4CC8-811A-031F524A359D@mac.com>
References: <4790BD2A-B4E1-4CC8-811A-031F524A359D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <160c82baa28.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

OS X locked down the Application folder a while back. I haven't changed the 
permissions so it still asks for authorization when I try to remove an app. 
This will vary by user. But also, when you delete an app, you are the user 
that may have permission, but when the app does it, I don't think you're 
the user any more, the app is, and it may not have permissions to alter 
that folder.

I don't know if the applescript will work but it's worth a try.
--
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On January 5, 2018 2:25:28 PM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks to Klaus and Ken, I know how to address the Mac Applications folder. 
> But when I try to delete an app (which I take to be a folder of the form 
> xxx.app) by script, I get a result ?can?t delete that file?. But as a user 
> -admittedly with admin privileges - I can move any app into the trash.
>
> What am doing wrong?
>
> Graham
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 16:16:12 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:16:12 +0000
Subject: SQL Insert Syntax
Message-ID: <67D6F873-76BB-4DF0-9C73-B7EFCA177A6F@iotecdigital.com>

Can anyone find anything wrong with this sqLite insert statement? 

INSERT INTO arraydata ("rect","controlname","owner","visible") VALUES ('0,43,500,543','image "fresh_snow.png"','card "Main"','false')

It doesn't generate an error, but neither does it insert anything! There is a primary key column that I don't include because it's supposed to auto increment automatically if no column/value is supplied. 

Bob S





From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jan  5 16:18:56 2018
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:18:56 +0000
Subject: SQL Insert Syntax
In-Reply-To: <67D6F873-76BB-4DF0-9C73-B7EFCA177A6F@iotecdigital.com>
References: <67D6F873-76BB-4DF0-9C73-B7EFCA177A6F@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8F657DAA-96F9-4B4E-B1FE-CF63406432FA@byu.edu>

Bob,

Some SQL dialects accept both single and double quotes as string delimiters. Might that be the problem?

Devin

On Jan 5, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Can anyone find anything wrong with this sqLite insert statement?

INSERT INTO arraydata ("rect","controlname","owner","visible") VALUES ('0,43,500,543','image "fresh_snow.png"','card "Main"','false')

It doesn't generate an error, but neither does it insert anything! There is a primary key column that I don't include because it's supposed to auto increment automatically if no column/value is supplied.

Bob S



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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 16:24:46 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:24:46 +0000
Subject: SQL Insert Syntax
In-Reply-To: <8F657DAA-96F9-4B4E-B1FE-CF63406432FA@byu.edu>
References: <67D6F873-76BB-4DF0-9C73-B7EFCA177A6F@iotecdigital.com>
	<8F657DAA-96F9-4B4E-B1FE-CF63406432FA@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <60D99A81-600A-4D7A-9E2A-7F2AFE014470@iotecdigital.com>

Possibly, but every sqLite reference I've looked at seems to indicate that I should enclose string values with single quotes, and since my text contains double quotes, I thought that would do the trick. I have tried escaling quotes ie. \" but that doesn't work either. 

This BTW is why I use sqlYoga, so I don't have to deal with this syntax crap, but I am writing a function that I want to be universally viable. 

Bob S


> On Jan 5, 2018, at 13:18 , Devin Asay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Some SQL dialects accept both single and double quotes as string delimiters. Might that be the problem?
> 
> Devin




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jan  5 16:32:46 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 14:32:46 -0700
Subject: SQL Insert Syntax
In-Reply-To: <60D99A81-600A-4D7A-9E2A-7F2AFE014470@iotecdigital.com>
References: <67D6F873-76BB-4DF0-9C73-B7EFCA177A6F@iotecdigital.com>
	<8F657DAA-96F9-4B4E-B1FE-CF63406432FA@byu.edu>
	<60D99A81-600A-4D7A-9E2A-7F2AFE014470@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqQOf0jEaH9XOxnQJ=ytSBjOqxEYexnz3AJ=SH4E8nSDA@mail.gmail.com>

Use the placeholder method?
put your data into a numerically keyed array and change the insert to this..
INSERT INTO arraydata ("rect","controlname","owner","visible") VALUES
(:1,:2,:3,:4)

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Possibly, but every sqLite reference I've looked at seems to indicate that
> I should enclose string values with single quotes, and since my text
> contains double quotes, I thought that would do the trick. I have tried
> escaling quotes ie. \" but that doesn't work either.
>
> This BTW is why I use sqlYoga, so I don't have to deal with this syntax
> crap, but I am writing a function that I want to be universally viable.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 2018, at 13:18 , Devin Asay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Some SQL dialects accept both single and double quotes as string
> delimiters. Might that be the problem?
> >
> > Devin
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Jan  5 16:38:46 2018
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:38:46 +0000
Subject: SQL Insert Syntax
In-Reply-To: <60D99A81-600A-4D7A-9E2A-7F2AFE014470@iotecdigital.com>
References: <67D6F873-76BB-4DF0-9C73-B7EFCA177A6F@iotecdigital.com>
	<8F657DAA-96F9-4B4E-B1FE-CF63406432FA@byu.edu>
	<60D99A81-600A-4D7A-9E2A-7F2AFE014470@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <E46BB89A-BDA3-46FC-9E67-FAED449787A9@byu.edu>

Bob,

You could try parameterizing your statements as described in the dictionary. Also, you don?t want to quote your column names.

put 0,43,500,543 into tRect
put ?image ? & quote & ?fresh_now.png? & quote into tObj
put ?card ? & quote & ?Main? & quote into tCard
put false into tVis
revExecuteSQL myID, "insert into arraydata (rect,controlname,owner,visible) values(:1,:2,:3,:4)", ?tRect" ,?tObj?,?tCard?, ?tVis?

This is also best practice, because it protects against SQL injection attacks. (Admittedly more of a concern with network databases.)

HTH

Devin


> On Jan 5, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Possibly, but every sqLite reference I've looked at seems to indicate that I should enclose string values with single quotes, and since my text contains double quotes, I thought that would do the trick. I have tried escaling quotes ie. \" but that doesn't work either. 
> 
> This BTW is why I use sqlYoga, so I don't have to deal with this syntax crap, but I am writing a function that I want to be universally viable. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2018, at 13:18 , Devin Asay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob,
>> 
>> Some SQL dialects accept both single and double quotes as string delimiters. Might that be the problem?
>> 
>> Devin
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan  5 16:52:30 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 15:52:30 -0600
Subject: Visibility problem
In-Reply-To: <D3CCE000-A6E4-4F01-971E-BA719FD4D9EF@mac.com>
References: <D3CCE000-A6E4-4F01-971E-BA719FD4D9EF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5462dd96-6a01-85cb-8eba-4b264431a1f5@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/5/18 2:18 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
> I have a substack which is supposed to contain logging data. It?s got a single card and a single scrolling field. Being at an early stage of development, I have this bit of code to be sure it?s working:
> 
> put empty into fld "TheLog" of cd "Log" of stack "TheUninstallLog"
> 
> set the visible of stack "TheUninstallLog" to true
> 
> put the visible of stack "TheUninstallLog"
> 
> answer "We should see the log window now! Its visibility is" && (the vis of stack "TheUninstallLog")
> 
> 
> Under the IDE, I do indeed see the stack, but in a standalone, I get the ?answer? output showing the visibility to be true, but it remains invisible.
> 
> What did I do wrong?

Is the stack open? A closed stack can have its visible property set to 
true but it doesn't appear until it's opened.

-- 
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Fri Jan  5 16:57:11 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:57:11 +0100
Subject: Lower part of Script Editor (the one with variabels etc.) 
	disappeared, how to get it back?
Message-ID: <0FD9FFA3-E0E1-4A5F-91ED-DD24A7EE1F22@hyperhh.de>

> Klaus wrote:
> He is using a MacBook and LC 2.18.

Hi Klaus,

where can I find LC 2.18? Is this a private edition?



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jan  5 16:57:28 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 16:57:28 -0500
Subject: SQL Insert Syntax
In-Reply-To: <E46BB89A-BDA3-46FC-9E67-FAED449787A9@byu.edu>
References: <67D6F873-76BB-4DF0-9C73-B7EFCA177A6F@iotecdigital.com>
	<8F657DAA-96F9-4B4E-B1FE-CF63406432FA@byu.edu>
	<60D99A81-600A-4D7A-9E2A-7F2AFE014470@iotecdigital.com>
	<E46BB89A-BDA3-46FC-9E67-FAED449787A9@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPJMTTKOsZ8WOwKaB1tJjub802wnC68n78+ZnvHnBuFsA@mail.gmail.com>

the only problem is your quoted column names.

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Devin Asay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> You could try parameterizing your statements as described in the
> dictionary. Also, you don?t want to quote your column names.
>
> put 0,43,500,543 into tRect
> put ?image ? & quote & ?fresh_now.png? & quote into tObj
> put ?card ? & quote & ?Main? & quote into tCard
> put false into tVis
> revExecuteSQL myID, "insert into arraydata (rect,controlname,owner,visible)
> values(:1,:2,:3,:4)", ?tRect" ,?tObj?,?tCard?, ?tVis?
>
> This is also best practice, because it protects against SQL injection
> attacks. (Admittedly more of a concern with network databases.)
>
> HTH
>
> Devin
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Possibly, but every sqLite reference I've looked at seems to indicate
> that I should enclose string values with single quotes, and since my text
> contains double quotes, I thought that would do the trick. I have tried
> escaling quotes ie. \" but that doesn't work either.
> >
> > This BTW is why I use sqlYoga, so I don't have to deal with this syntax
> crap, but I am writing a function that I want to be universally viable.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 5, 2018, at 13:18 , Devin Asay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob,
> >>
> >> Some SQL dialects accept both single and double quotes as string
> delimiters. Might that be the problem?
> >>
> >> Devin
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jan  5 17:01:51 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 23:01:51 +0100
Subject: Lower part of Script Editor (the one with variabels etc.) 
	disappeared, how to get it back?
In-Reply-To: <0FD9FFA3-E0E1-4A5F-91ED-DD24A7EE1F22@hyperhh.de>
References: <0FD9FFA3-E0E1-4A5F-91ED-DD24A7EE1F22@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <E74E10A9-8CA9-4C13-8108-5CC4A081F3DF@major-k.de>

Hi Hermann,

> Am 05.01.2018 um 22:57 schrieb hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
>> Klaus wrote:
>> He is using a MacBook and LC 2.18.
> 
> Hi Klaus,
> 
> where can I find LC 2.18? Is this a private edition?

yes, very private, but its functionality equals to the stock version of Livecode 8.1.8! 
8-)


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 17:28:00 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:28:00 +0000
Subject: SQL Insert Syntax
In-Reply-To: <E46BB89A-BDA3-46FC-9E67-FAED449787A9@byu.edu>
References: <67D6F873-76BB-4DF0-9C73-B7EFCA177A6F@iotecdigital.com>
	<8F657DAA-96F9-4B4E-B1FE-CF63406432FA@byu.edu>
	<60D99A81-600A-4D7A-9E2A-7F2AFE014470@iotecdigital.com>
	<E46BB89A-BDA3-46FC-9E67-FAED449787A9@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <E6D55980-0100-4851-8095-4CFA75F8C070@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks for your help all. 

I think with everyone's help I have it working, but now I am trying to use a memory based database using :MEMORY: for the database name. I ensured all databases are closed using revOpenDatabases() which returns empty. But now each time I attempt to create the database I get the result "table "array data" already exists. I though closing a memory database deletes it from memory. If not, how do you clear a memory database?

Bob S

> On Jan 5, 2018, at 13:38 , Devin Asay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> You could try parameterizing your statements as described in the dictionary. Also, you don?t want to quote your column names.
> 
> put 0,43,500,543 into tRect
> put ?image ? & quote & ?fresh_now.png? & quote into tObj
> put ?card ? & quote & ?Main? & quote into tCard
> put false into tVis
> revExecuteSQL myID, "insert into arraydata (rect,controlname,owner,visible) values(:1,:2,:3,:4)", ?tRect" ,?tObj?,?tCard?, ?tVis?
> 
> This is also best practice, because it protects against SQL injection attacks. (Admittedly more of a concern with network databases.)
> 
> HTH
> 
> Devin


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 17:34:21 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:34:21 +0000
Subject: SQL Insert Syntax
In-Reply-To: <E6D55980-0100-4851-8095-4CFA75F8C070@iotecdigital.com>
References: <67D6F873-76BB-4DF0-9C73-B7EFCA177A6F@iotecdigital.com>
	<8F657DAA-96F9-4B4E-B1FE-CF63406432FA@byu.edu>
	<60D99A81-600A-4D7A-9E2A-7F2AFE014470@iotecdigital.com>
	<E46BB89A-BDA3-46FC-9E67-FAED449787A9@byu.edu>
	<E6D55980-0100-4851-8095-4CFA75F8C070@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B672E8E1-5EC0-433A-8859-454846D91484@iotecdigital.com>

For now I am just dropping the table and recreating it. 

Bob S


> On Jan 5, 2018, at 14:28 , Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your help all. 
> 
> I think with everyone's help I have it working, but now I am trying to use a memory based database using :MEMORY: for the database name. I ensured all databases are closed using revOpenDatabases() which returns empty. But now each time I attempt to create the database I get the result "table "array data" already exists. I though closing a memory database deletes it from memory. If not, how do you clear a memory database?
> 
> Bob S
> 




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan  5 17:49:29 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:49:29 +0000
Subject: SQL Insert Syntax
In-Reply-To: <B672E8E1-5EC0-433A-8859-454846D91484@iotecdigital.com>
References: <67D6F873-76BB-4DF0-9C73-B7EFCA177A6F@iotecdigital.com>
	<8F657DAA-96F9-4B4E-B1FE-CF63406432FA@byu.edu>
	<60D99A81-600A-4D7A-9E2A-7F2AFE014470@iotecdigital.com>
	<E46BB89A-BDA3-46FC-9E67-FAED449787A9@byu.edu>
	<E6D55980-0100-4851-8095-4CFA75F8C070@iotecdigital.com>
	<B672E8E1-5EC0-433A-8859-454846D91484@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C59C0B1E-6542-41ED-942F-957530B7D815@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Here's a new toy for everyone to play with. It takes a numbered array of key/value pairs and converts it to a MEMORY database. Why you ask? So you can query against it of course! 

In my particular case I am getting an array of every object on a card EXCLUDING objects that are elements of a datagrid (that would be way too much data for me to care about) so I can query against it. For instance, given one of the columns is the name of the object and I want all the images, I can query for all image records:

select * from arraydata where name LIKE 'image %'

You can see how handy this would be, rather than iterating through every element of an array to find ONLY the array records you want. 

Here's the code:

function arrayToMemoryDB aArrayData
   put the keys of aArrayData into tArrayKeys
   sort tArrayKeys numeric ascending
   put ":MEMORY:" into tDBFile
   put revOpenDatabase("sqlite", tDBFile) into tDBID
   put "drop table arraydata" into tDropSQL
   
   try
      revExecuteSQL tDBID, tDropSQL
      put  the result into tResult
   catch tError
   end try
   
   -- create the table
   put "create table" && quote & "arraydata" & quote & cr \
         into tCreateCommand
   put "(" & quote & "recordid" & quote && "NUMERIC PRIMARY KEY NOT NULL UNIQUE, " & cr \
         after tCreateCommand
      
      put the keys of aArrayData [1] into tRecordKeyList
      
      repeat for each line tRecordKey in tRecordKeyList
         put quote & tRecordKey & quote && "VARCHAR, " & cr after tCreateCommand
      end repeat
      
      delete char -3 to -1 of tCreateCommand
      put ")" after tCreateCommand
      
      try
         revExecuteSQL tDBID, tCreateCommand 
         put the result into tResult
         if tResult is not 0 then breakpoint
      catch tError
         breakpoint
      end try
      
      -- insert data
      repeat for each line tKey in tArrayKeys
         put aArrayData [tKey] into aRecordData
         put 1 into tCounter
         put "recordid" into item tCounter of tColumns
         put ":" & tCounter into item tCounter of tColumnData
         put tKey into aColumnData [tCounter]
         
         repeat for each line tRecordKey in tRecordKeyList
            add 1 to tCounter
            put tRecordKey into item tCounter of tColumns
            put ":" & tCounter into item tCounter of tColumnData
            put aRecordData [tRecordKey] into aColumnData [tCounter]
         end repeat
         
         put "(" & tColumns & ")" into tColumns
         put "(" & tColumnData & ")" into tColumnData
         put "insert into arraydata" && tColumns && "VALUES" && tColumnData into tInsertSQL
         replace quote with "\" & quote in tInsertSQL
         replace "'" with quote in tInsertSQL
         
         try
            revExecuteSQL tDBID, tInsertSQL, "aColumnData"
            put the result into tResult
            if tResult is not 1 then breakpoint
         catch tError
            breakpoint
         end try
      end repeat
      
      return tDBID
   end arrayToMemoryDB




From hh at hyperhh.de  Fri Jan  5 21:08:31 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 03:08:31 +0100
Subject: HHTextEditFull
Message-ID: <42F4591B-FC6A-45F1-AD3C-729EA747B942@hyperhh.de>

HHTextEditFull v1.3.6 builds upon HHTextEditBasic and

= uses the _livecode.com_ browser widget
= uses the _summernote.org_ editor
= Snippets of Bootstrap3 by _w3schools.com_
= uses the _codemirror.net_ code editor
= uses the _khan.github.io/KaTeX_ TeX engine

Download from "Sample stacks" of the LC toolbar or
http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/861/HHTextEditFull

Help is included in the editor.
There are such a lot of features. I couldn't test all.

Testing results, using LC 8.1.8 and LC 9.0.0-dp11:
= on MacOS 10.13.2: no issues
= on Win 7 and Win 10: rarely (irrelevant) messages from
the browser widget
= linux: Mint173c-32bit and Ubuntu/Xubuntu 16.04-64 bit:
The image dialog for embedding local images (base64 encoded)
doesn't work. I'll work around that in a future version.



From irog at mac.com  Fri Jan  5 23:18:28 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 20:18:28 -0800
Subject: iOS Profile Menu
Message-ID: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>

Hi Folks,

Once again, I?m trying to figure out the Apple maze for developing on iOS. Fat chance, eh?

Can someone please tell me where the items of the Profile menu in the Standalone Application Settings come from? Nothing I do has any effect on that pulldown menu, and I?ve been messing with this for days!!!


TIA,
ROger

From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jan  6 00:43:16 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 05:43:16 +0000
Subject: iOS Profile Menu
In-Reply-To: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>
References: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYKVyiZJWLRyz9sauT4mtDQkJc23MqFDwdDhXCKoPivag@mail.gmail.com>

Are you talking about Property Profiles on the General Tab? Also which
version of LC?

For that, see the ?profile library? association in the dictionary (9.0DP11).
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:19 PM Roger Guay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> Once again, I?m trying to figure out the Apple maze for developing on iOS.
> Fat chance, eh?
>
> Can someone please tell me where the items of the Profile menu in the
> Standalone Application Settings come from? Nothing I do has any effect on
> that pulldown menu, and I?ve been messing with this for days!!!
>
>
> TIA,
> ROger
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan  6 08:07:32 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 08:07:32 -0500
Subject: iOS Profile Menu
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRYKVyiZJWLRyz9sauT4mtDQkJc23MqFDwdDhXCKoPivag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRYKVyiZJWLRyz9sauT4mtDQkJc23MqFDwdDhXCKoPivag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOLFso+A7+f9oFuEr=0=JnYvAaW++KCZTWKDGKZPj9+ww@mail.gmail.com>

Roger,
These come from your apple developer profile.  After you have created your
various app identifiers and profiles, the easiest way to keep them
up-to-date is from within xCode, but xCode tends to add extras, sometimes.
Go into xCode, choose Preferences.  Then pick the second tab, called
"Accounts".  Log in using your AppleID, then hit "Download all profiles".
The next time you start LC, all your ios apps and profiles should appear.

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 12:43 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Are you talking about Property Profiles on the General Tab? Also which
> version of LC?
>
> For that, see the ?profile library? association in the dictionary
> (9.0DP11).
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:19 PM Roger Guay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Once again, I?m trying to figure out the Apple maze for developing on
> iOS.
> > Fat chance, eh?
> >
> > Can someone please tell me where the items of the Profile menu in the
> > Standalone Application Settings come from? Nothing I do has any effect on
> > that pulldown menu, and I?ve been messing with this for days!!!
> >
> >
> > TIA,
> > ROger
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Sat Jan  6 09:20:19 2018
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 07:20:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Visibility problem
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNbCfVc8sgVKhpya-j_C9yb20HU-5AnmtXKub9AhtwFFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D3CCE000-A6E4-4F01-971E-BA719FD4D9EF@mac.com>
	<CADCoycNbCfVc8sgVKhpya-j_C9yb20HU-5AnmtXKub9AhtwFFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1515248419642-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Don't you need to go to the stack after setting the visibility?

go stack



-----
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My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode 


Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk  

PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder.
http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
--
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jan  6 10:01:15 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:01:15 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
Message-ID: <E0562D83-CAEC-462D-B0F9-2038F4282AEA@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

please take a look at this screenshot:
<http://major-k.de/umlauts_in_simulator.jpg>
left: IDE
right: simulator

Maybe someone can explain what I am doing wrong, if at all?
Here is what I did:
1. I created a new stack (for iPhone 5)
2. I created an empty datagrid and entered some german umlauts 
for the LABEL of the only column named "Col 1"
3. I created one field and copied/pasted that LABEL into the field
4. Saved the stack and run it in the simulator

5. I did NOT set any font for the stack, field and datagrid or any other prop!
6. But this is how it looks in the simulator and, as I was told, also on an actual devidce!?

I use LC 8.1.9 RC1 and Xcode 9.2, same with LC 9 DP11.

Thanks for any hints!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Sat Jan  6 11:00:21 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 16:00:21 +0000
Subject: DataGrid error
Message-ID: <20180106160021.Horde.qMQeLSBaHeJmXX9JOGfGEUn@ua850258.serversignin.com>

A published mobile app built using LC8.1.8 that suddenly stopped  
working. It retrieves info from a database and populates a few  
datagrids. I was able to use the Remote Debugger to pinpoint where the  
error is occurring (worth every penny of the upgraded license) and  
found this:

89,79,11
77,79,11
456,79,11
465,79,11
253,79,11
241,35,1,FillInData
353,0,0,button id 1024 of card id 1020 of stack "Data Grid Templates  
1463581868125" of stack  
"/Users/andrew/Library/Developer/CoreSimulator/Devices/A6595259-264B-47AD-A442-E3751D5B5E57/data/Containers/Bundle/Application/2AA2C84D-3833-4BE5-AC0D-7E6CCFB14081/Indiana On Tap.app/Indiana On  
Tap"
675,3169,1,FillInData
253,3169,1
253,3169,1
490,3169,1
253,3169,1
241,3099,1,_list.DrawControlsInRealTime
353,0,0,stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
573,2895,1,_list.DrawControlsInRealTime
253,2895,1
241,2892,1,_list.DrawWithProperties
353,0,0,stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
573,2584,1,_list.DrawWithProperties
587,2584,1
241,2578,1,_DrawListWithProperties
353,0,0,stack "RevDataGridLibraryBehaviorsDataGridButtonBehavior"
573,8201,1,_DrawListWithProperties
253,8201,1

I tried to insert some breakpoints (virtual and hard coded) before the  
script that set the dgText so I could figure out what the bad data was  
but they weren't getting triggered. Can anyone shed some light onto  
this error while I backtrack the changes made recently since this  
worked (yesterday).

--Andrew Bell




From irog at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 11:04:57 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 08:04:57 -0800
Subject: iOS Profile Menu
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOLFso+A7+f9oFuEr=0=JnYvAaW++KCZTWKDGKZPj9+ww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRYKVyiZJWLRyz9sauT4mtDQkJc23MqFDwdDhXCKoPivag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOLFso+A7+f9oFuEr=0=JnYvAaW++KCZTWKDGKZPj9+ww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C6DDCA3-745E-4F8A-AEC1-DCA51AB0D4F2@mac.com>

Thank you, Mike. I had done what you propose and just did it again (except mine gives only the ?Download Manual Profiles?). To no avail! My LC seems to be stuck with 3 profiles from years ago, which I don?t see anywhere else I?ve looked, but I?m not sure where to even look for this?? 

BTW, I?m using LC 8.1.8 and Xcode 9.1 and I do get the green indication in LC Prefs.

Thanks for your help,
Roger


> On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Roger,
> These come from your apple developer profile.  After you have created your
> various app identifiers and profiles, the easiest way to keep them
> up-to-date is from within xCode, but xCode tends to add extras, sometimes.
> Go into xCode, choose Preferences.  Then pick the second tab, called
> "Accounts".  Log in using your AppleID, then hit "Download all profiles".
> The next time you start LC, all your ios apps and profiles should appear.
> 
>> 
>>> Hi Folks,
>>> 
>>> Once again, I?m trying to figure out the Apple maze for developing on
>> iOS.
>>> Fat chance, eh?
>>> 
>>> Can someone please tell me where the items of the Profile menu in the
>>> Standalone Application Settings come from? Nothing I do has any effect on
>>> that pulldown menu, and I?ve been messing with this for days!!!
>>> 



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 11:14:04 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 18:14:04 +0200
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
In-Reply-To: <E0562D83-CAEC-462D-B0F9-2038F4282AEA@major-k.de>
References: <E0562D83-CAEC-462D-B0F9-2038F4282AEA@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <445ef204-16a8-b5fb-a211-17e75f238c41@gmail.com>

set the unicodeText of fld "blahblah" to the unicodeText /of however you 
refer to a column in a datagrid/

?

On 6/1/2018 5:01 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> please take a look at this screenshot:
> <http://major-k.de/umlauts_in_simulator.jpg>
> left: IDE
> right: simulator
>
> Maybe someone can explain what I am doing wrong, if at all?
> Here is what I did:
> 1. I created a new stack (for iPhone 5)
> 2. I created an empty datagrid and entered some german umlauts
> for the LABEL of the only column named "Col 1"
> 3. I created one field and copied/pasted that LABEL into the field
> 4. Saved the stack and run it in the simulator
>
> 5. I did NOT set any font for the stack, field and datagrid or any other prop!
> 6. But this is how it looks in the simulator and, as I was told, also on an actual devidce!?
>
> I use LC 8.1.9 RC1 and Xcode 9.2, same with LC 9 DP11.
>
> Thanks for any hints!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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> use-livecode mailing list
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jan  6 11:19:42 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 17:19:42 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
In-Reply-To: <445ef204-16a8-b5fb-a211-17e75f238c41@gmail.com>
References: <E0562D83-CAEC-462D-B0F9-2038F4282AEA@major-k.de>
	<445ef204-16a8-b5fb-a211-17e75f238c41@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <651185BC-2C56-4EC8-8CC0-F4C8B4DB120F@major-k.de>

Hi Richmond,

> Am 06.01.2018 um 17:14 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> set the unicodeText of fld "blahblah" to the unicodeText /of however you refer to a column in a datagrid/

"unicodetext" etc. have been deprecated since version 7.
Remember version 7: "Unicode, it just works!" :-D

But that is really not my problem I think!
These are just two FIELD object (field and LABEL of column), or not?
If yes, why the difference?

> ?
> 
> On 6/1/2018 5:01 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> please take a look at this screenshot:
>> <http://major-k.de/umlauts_in_simulator.jpg>
>> left: IDE
>> right: simulator
>> 
>> Maybe someone can explain what I am doing wrong, if at all?
>> Here is what I did:
>> 1. I created a new stack (for iPhone 5)
>> 2. I created an empty datagrid and entered some german umlauts
>> for the LABEL of the only column named "Col 1"
>> 3. I created one field and copied/pasted that LABEL into the field
>> 4. Saved the stack and run it in the simulator
>> 
>> 5. I did NOT set any font for the stack, field and datagrid or any other prop!
>> 6. But this is how it looks in the simulator and, as I was told, also on an actual devidce!?
>> 
>> I use LC 8.1.9 RC1 and Xcode 9.2, same with LC 9 DP11.

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From hh at hyperhh.de  Sat Jan  6 11:22:09 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 17:22:09 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
Message-ID: <DC9C1422-9898-49A2-8539-4A0C831C3C92@hyperhh.de>

Assuming you are on Mac you could try:

lock the clipboard
set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
      to textEncode("???????", "UTF-8" ) -- OSX
unlock the clipboard


From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jan  6 11:32:26 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 17:32:26 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
In-Reply-To: <DC9C1422-9898-49A2-8539-4A0C831C3C92@hyperhh.de>
References: <DC9C1422-9898-49A2-8539-4A0C831C3C92@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <A0BC624D-396D-4B5B-8BE0-A06335529CF1@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 06.01.2018 um 17:22 schrieb hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Assuming you are on Mac you could try:
> 
> lock the clipboard
> set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
>      to textEncode("???????", "UTF-8" ) -- OSX
> unlock the clipboard

there is no scripting involved in my stack at all!

I saved the stack the way you can see in in the screenshot and in the sim it looks
like in the screenshot, with wrecked umlauts in the LABEL of the datagrid.

No scripting, no nothing actually :-/

I only set the language of the simulator to GERMAN, but this also happens 
when set to english/default.


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From irog at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 11:53:09 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 08:53:09 -0800
Subject: iOS Profile Menu
In-Reply-To: <0C6DDCA3-745E-4F8A-AEC1-DCA51AB0D4F2@mac.com>
References: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRYKVyiZJWLRyz9sauT4mtDQkJc23MqFDwdDhXCKoPivag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOLFso+A7+f9oFuEr=0=JnYvAaW++KCZTWKDGKZPj9+ww@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C6DDCA3-745E-4F8A-AEC1-DCA51AB0D4F2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <823BE260-4D02-4AE7-A9D9-B3636777AB94@mac.com>

Problem solved . . . I think. I got misdirected by instructions to go to Xcode?s Organizer window where in fact, I think that, one needs to go to the ?Devices and Simulators? window. Alas that did not seem to provide adequate instruction for generating rofiles. I finally went to the Apple Portal and manually developed a profile. Not sure of the details yet, and I?m left with the question of how one generates the "Internal App ID? from Xcode. But, at least I?m up and running.

Thanks to all,

Roger

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Mike. I had done what you propose and just did it again (except mine gives only the ?Download Manual Profiles?). To no avail! My LC seems to be stuck with 3 profiles from years ago, which I don?t see anywhere else I?ve looked, but I?m not sure where to even look for this?? 
> 
> BTW, I?m using LC 8.1.8 and Xcode 9.1 and I do get the green indication in LC Prefs.
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> Roger
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Roger,
>> These come from your apple developer profile.  After you have created your
>> various app identifiers and profiles, the easiest way to keep them
>> up-to-date is from within xCode, but xCode tends to add extras, sometimes.
>> Go into xCode, choose Preferences.  Then pick the second tab, called
>> "Accounts".  Log in using your AppleID, then hit "Download all profiles".
>> The next time you start LC, all your ios apps and profiles should appear.
>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>> 
>>>> Once again, I?m trying to figure out the Apple maze for developing on
>>> iOS.
>>>> Fat chance, eh?
>>>> 
>>>> Can someone please tell me where the items of the Profile menu in the
>>>> Standalone Application Settings come from? Nothing I do has any effect on
>>>> that pulldown menu, and I?ve been messing with this for days!!!
>>>> 
> 
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Sat Jan  6 12:49:57 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 18:49:57 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
Message-ID: <54E56D7D-58F3-4228-BD79-647CEF68A9D2@hyperhh.de>

You use the clipboard with different objects.
These objects may have different default font settings and
different default text encodings.
And these default fonts may have different sets of glyphs missing.

Possibly you mave have also to encode the text that you paste.

> lock the clipboard
> set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
>       to textEncode("???????", "UTF-8" ) -- OSX
> unlock the clipboard



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jan  6 12:57:15 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 18:57:15 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
In-Reply-To: <54E56D7D-58F3-4228-BD79-647CEF68A9D2@hyperhh.de>
References: <54E56D7D-58F3-4228-BD79-647CEF68A9D2@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <BDB99750-C829-45CC-B7E9-D43D3A2E58D7@major-k.de>

Hi Hermann

> Am 06.01.2018 um 18:49 schrieb hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> You use the clipboard with different objects.
> These objects may have different default font settings and
> different default text encodings.
> And these default fonts may have different sets of glyphs missing.
> 
> Possibly you mave have also to encode the text that you paste.
> 
>> lock the clipboard
>> set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
>>      to textEncode("???????", "UTF-8" ) -- OSX
>> unlock the clipboard

not sure I can follow, I did the copy in the IDE!

No scripting, copying, pasting or anything else in the standalone, 
it immediately looks like this way after the app started up in the simulator.

Am I really talking chinese (specivo Mandarin)? :-D

I uploaded the stack here if someone likes to take a look:
<http://major-k.de/test1.livecode.zip>


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jan  6 13:02:40 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:02:40 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
In-Reply-To: <BDB99750-C829-45CC-B7E9-D43D3A2E58D7@major-k.de>
References: <54E56D7D-58F3-4228-BD79-647CEF68A9D2@hyperhh.de>
	<BDB99750-C829-45CC-B7E9-D43D3A2E58D7@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <93C2F852-1CF6-474D-B617-4E46922DA54C@major-k.de>



> Am 06.01.2018 um 18:57 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Hermann
> 
>> Am 06.01.2018 um 18:49 schrieb hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> You use the clipboard with different objects.
>> These objects may have different default font settings and
>> different default text encodings.
>> And these default fonts may have different sets of glyphs missing.
>> 
>> Possibly you mave have also to encode the text that you paste.
>> 
>>> lock the clipboard
>>> set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
>>>     to textEncode("???????", "UTF-8" ) -- OSX
>>> unlock the clipboard
> 
> not sure I can follow, I did the copy in the IDE!

to be precise:
I copied the text of the label of the datagrid column from the appropriate field in the INSPECTOR
and pasted it into the appropriate field of the INSPECTOR for the field. IN THE IDE!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Jan  6 13:03:10 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 18:03:10 +0000
Subject: DataGrid error
In-Reply-To: <20180106160021.Horde.qMQeLSBaHeJmXX9JOGfGEUn@ua850258.serversignin.com>
References: <20180106160021.Horde.qMQeLSBaHeJmXX9JOGfGEUn@ua850258.serversignin.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9qS9V4WEYhQq5XwiF=VgqYXQ=x2dc1gh993yuV6RZ0cA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 10:02 AM Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> A published mobile app built using LC8.1.8 that suddenly stopped
> working. It retrieves info from a database and populates a few
> datagrids. I was able to use the Remote Debugger to pinpoint where the
> error is occurring (worth every penny of the upgraded license) and
> found this:
>
> 89,79,11
> 77,79,11
> 456,79,11
> 465,79,11
> 253,79,11
> 241,35,1,FillInData


Looks like the FillInData handler in your row template script has an error
in it. Maybe some data isn?t what the script expects? Check line 79 and see
if there might be an error there.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

>


From irog at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 13:06:27 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:06:27 -0800
Subject: Play WAV audio clips in iOS
Message-ID: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>

According to my research the Play command should work in iOS. But so far, no luck. I?ve imported (as controls) a few WAV sound files into my stack and I?m using the ?play? command successfully in the IDE as well as Mac Standalones, but not iOS.
What am I missing please? I can?t seem to find anything in the archives about this.

Thanks,
Roger

From iowahengst at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 13:18:11 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 12:18:11 -0600
Subject: Play WAV audio clips in iOS
In-Reply-To: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>
References: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5C062E7F-4350-4D26-9191-69D799E41EB6@mac.com>

Hi Roger,

WAV files do work on iOS. I use them regularly. 

I bring the wav files into the app using the Copy Files tab in the Standalone Applications Settings.

Then when you call the sound with the play command making sure you?ve spelled the name exactly the way you?ve brought it into your app.

upper/lower case in the wav file name matters.

randy
-----
> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> According to my research the Play command should work in iOS. But so far, no luck. I?ve imported (as controls) a few WAV sound files into my stack and I?m using the ?play? command successfully in the IDE as well as Mac Standalones, but not iOS.
> What am I missing please? I can?t seem to find anything in the archives about this.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Sat Jan  6 13:35:02 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:35:02 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
Message-ID: <040D7873-EA61-4AA9-BB20-2FBDBBBE2523@hyperhh.de>

If the font you are using (may be some default) in the IDE

1. is not available in the standalone/simulator or
2. available in the standalone/simulator but not identical
(only same names)

then in both cases the standalone uses a font (in case 1 a fallback)
for the datagrid that has obviously missing glyphs
[or the font in the datagrid is encoded differently from the font
in the IDE].

HTML5 deployment had for three years a fallback font with missing
glyphs (umlauts etc.). The font with same name displayed in the IDE
correctly.




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan  6 13:41:02 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 13:41:02 -0500
Subject: iOS Profile Menu
In-Reply-To: <823BE260-4D02-4AE7-A9D9-B3636777AB94@mac.com>
References: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRYKVyiZJWLRyz9sauT4mtDQkJc23MqFDwdDhXCKoPivag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOLFso+A7+f9oFuEr=0=JnYvAaW++KCZTWKDGKZPj9+ww@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C6DDCA3-745E-4F8A-AEC1-DCA51AB0D4F2@mac.com>
	<823BE260-4D02-4AE7-A9D9-B3636777AB94@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPRw02w9O0BkrGbKbPH1CNcqnTxc=L0eVBYDi=mJOge8g@mail.gmail.com>

Roger,
It's preferences in XCode, not Organizer.
As for your internal app id, it's just what you define so that when you do
installs, etc. ios knows which app you're talking about.  When the user
does a download or an update, it knows which app.  Apple recommends a
reverse-whatever-its-called notation, e.g. com.roger.guay.myAwesomeGame.
Note that it is case-sensitive.


On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Problem solved . . . I think. I got misdirected by instructions to go to
> Xcode?s Organizer window where in fact, I think that, one needs to go to
> the ?Devices and Simulators? window. Alas that did not seem to provide
> adequate instruction for generating rofiles. I finally went to the Apple
> Portal and manually developed a profile. Not sure of the details yet, and
> I?m left with the question of how one generates the "Internal App ID? from
> Xcode. But, at least I?m up and running.
>
> Thanks to all,
>
> Roger
>
> > On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Mike. I had done what you propose and just did it again
> (except mine gives only the ?Download Manual Profiles?). To no avail! My LC
> seems to be stuck with 3 profiles from years ago, which I don?t see
> anywhere else I?ve looked, but I?m not sure where to even look for this??
> >
> > BTW, I?m using LC 8.1.8 and Xcode 9.1 and I do get the green indication
> in LC Prefs.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Roger
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Roger,
> >> These come from your apple developer profile.  After you have created
> your
> >> various app identifiers and profiles, the easiest way to keep them
> >> up-to-date is from within xCode, but xCode tends to add extras,
> sometimes.
> >> Go into xCode, choose Preferences.  Then pick the second tab, called
> >> "Accounts".  Log in using your AppleID, then hit "Download all
> profiles".
> >> The next time you start LC, all your ios apps and profiles should
> appear.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Once again, I?m trying to figure out the Apple maze for developing on
> >>> iOS.
> >>>> Fat chance, eh?
> >>>>
> >>>> Can someone please tell me where the items of the Profile menu in the
> >>>> Standalone Application Settings come from? Nothing I do has any
> effect on
> >>>> that pulldown menu, and I?ve been messing with this for days!!!
> >>>>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 13:45:48 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 10:45:48 -0800
Subject: Play WAV audio clips in iOS
In-Reply-To: <5C062E7F-4350-4D26-9191-69D799E41EB6@mac.com>
References: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>
	<5C062E7F-4350-4D26-9191-69D799E41EB6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <61279060-52A7-4029-A5F9-1D139BC9C96C@mac.com>

Thanks Randy. I missed that! Is this done instead of Importing (them) As Controls, or in addition to Importing As Controls? Or is Importing As Controls useless?

Thanks again,

Roger

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I bring the wav files into the app using the Copy Files tab in the Standalone Applications Settings.



From iowahengst at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 14:12:12 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 13:12:12 -0600
Subject: Play WAV audio clips in iOS
In-Reply-To: <61279060-52A7-4029-A5F9-1D139BC9C96C@mac.com>
References: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>
	<5C062E7F-4350-4D26-9191-69D799E41EB6@mac.com>
	<61279060-52A7-4029-A5F9-1D139BC9C96C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A29BD54C-D79E-431E-806D-3203C0125C2C@mac.com>

The wav file is imported via the Copy File tab?the wav file is not a control.

The path is then listed in the copy files window? for example:
/Users/randyhengst/Desktop/iOS App SOUNDS and ICON folders/FingerGloveCounting ICONS/0.wav

In this case, the name of my wav file is ?0.wav?

So in a control you call the play command? for example:
play specialFolderPath("engine") &"/"& ?0.wav"

 I?ve used buttons, graphic objects, and images as the control.

If you change the location of the wav file or the location of the .livecode file you?re working after importing via the Copy Files tab, you?ll need to change the path or the wav file won?t be found when building your standalone.

In case you?re interested, here is a link to one of my free iOS apps that plays wav files via buttons:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/number-id/id642054717?mt=8

randy

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Randy. I missed that! Is this done instead of Importing (them) As Controls, or in addition to Importing As Controls? Or is Importing As Controls useless?
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I bring the wav files into the app using the Copy Files tab in the Standalone Applications Settings.
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 14:19:36 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 21:19:36 +0200
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
In-Reply-To: <651185BC-2C56-4EC8-8CC0-F4C8B4DB120F@major-k.de>
References: <E0562D83-CAEC-462D-B0F9-2038F4282AEA@major-k.de>
	<445ef204-16a8-b5fb-a211-17e75f238c41@gmail.com>
	<651185BC-2C56-4EC8-8CC0-F4C8B4DB120F@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <a6e6201f-c548-0d24-e074-32f351f07e75@gmail.com>

A datagrid is "a funny composite", and that might be where the secret lies.

Richmond.

On 6/1/2018 6:19 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>> Am 06.01.2018 um 17:14 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> set the unicodeText of fld "blahblah" to the unicodeText /of however you refer to a column in a datagrid/
> "unicodetext" etc. have been deprecated since version 7.
> Remember version 7: "Unicode, it just works!" :-D
>
> But that is really not my problem I think!
> These are just two FIELD object (field and LABEL of column), or not?
> If yes, why the difference?
>
>> ?
>>
>> On 6/1/2018 5:01 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi friends,
>>>
>>> please take a look at this screenshot:
>>> <http://major-k.de/umlauts_in_simulator.jpg>
>>> left: IDE
>>> right: simulator
>>>
>>> Maybe someone can explain what I am doing wrong, if at all?
>>> Here is what I did:
>>> 1. I created a new stack (for iPhone 5)
>>> 2. I created an empty datagrid and entered some german umlauts
>>> for the LABEL of the only column named "Col 1"
>>> 3. I created one field and copied/pasted that LABEL into the field
>>> 4. Saved the stack and run it in the simulator
>>>
>>> 5. I did NOT set any font for the stack, field and datagrid or any other prop!
>>> 6. But this is how it looks in the simulator and, as I was told, also on an actual devidce!?
>>>
>>> I use LC 8.1.9 RC1 and Xcode 9.2, same with LC 9 DP11.
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 14:25:03 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 21:25:03 +0200
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
In-Reply-To: <BDB99750-C829-45CC-B7E9-D43D3A2E58D7@major-k.de>
References: <54E56D7D-58F3-4228-BD79-647CEF68A9D2@hyperhh.de>
	<BDB99750-C829-45CC-B7E9-D43D3A2E58D7@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <fa9c5cd4-bd85-5a09-9192-153ef990fe45@gmail.com>

Well, if it is any comfort at all, it looks OK on Mac OS 10.7.5.

HOW did you paste the text into the Column header? as cannot find that
in the props palette.

Richmond.

On 6/1/2018 7:57 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Hermann
>
>> Am 06.01.2018 um 18:49 schrieb hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> You use the clipboard with different objects.
>> These objects may have different default font settings and
>> different default text encodings.
>> And these default fonts may have different sets of glyphs missing.
>>
>> Possibly you mave have also to encode the text that you paste.
>>
>>> lock the clipboard
>>> set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
>>>       to textEncode("???????", "UTF-8" ) -- OSX
>>> unlock the clipboard
> not sure I can follow, I did the copy in the IDE!
>
> No scripting, copying, pasting or anything else in the standalone,
> it immediately looks like this way after the app started up in the simulator.
>
> Am I really talking chinese (specivo Mandarin)? :-D
>
> I uploaded the stack here if someone likes to take a look:
> <http://major-k.de/test1.livecode.zip>
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 14:34:01 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 11:34:01 -0800
Subject: Play WAV audio clips in iOS
In-Reply-To: <A29BD54C-D79E-431E-806D-3203C0125C2C@mac.com>
References: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>
	<5C062E7F-4350-4D26-9191-69D799E41EB6@mac.com>
	<61279060-52A7-4029-A5F9-1D139BC9C96C@mac.com>
	<A29BD54C-D79E-431E-806D-3203C0125C2C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <05CFC70B-0A0A-4001-91E9-DFF99443F6FD@mac.com>

I really appreciate your patience with me, Randy, but, here is my question: 

Under the File menu of LiveCode, one is offered the option of "Importing As Control? -> ?Audio File?? What?s Up with that and how is that related to your solution?

Thanks,
Roger



> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The wav file is imported via the Copy File tab?the wav file is not a control.
> 
> The path is then listed in the copy files window? for example:
> /Users/randyhengst/Desktop/iOS App SOUNDS and ICON folders/FingerGloveCounting ICONS/0.wav
> 
> In this case, the name of my wav file is ?0.wav?
> 
> So in a control you call the play command? for example:
> play specialFolderPath("engine") &"/"& ?0.wav"
> 
> I?ve used buttons, graphic objects, and images as the control.
> 
> If you change the location of the wav file or the location of the .livecode file you?re working after importing via the Copy Files tab, you?ll need to change the path or the wav file won?t be found when building your standalone.
> 
> In case you?re interested, here is a link to one of my free iOS apps that plays wav files via buttons:
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/number-id/id642054717?mt=8
> 
> randy
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Randy. I missed that! Is this done instead of Importing (them) As Controls, or in addition to Importing As Controls? Or is Importing As Controls useless?
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I bring the wav files into the app using the Copy Files tab in the Standalone Applications Settings.
>> 
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From brahma at hindu.org  Sat Jan  6 14:45:00 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:45:00 +0000
Subject: Local Image Paths in HTML for Browser Widget Fails
Message-ID: <CA7A01C6-225C-4AA5-95A1-33D73601AABC@hindu.org>

I'm trying to send some local html to the browser widget to display a local loading GIF until the page "comes down" from the cloud. This needs to work on mobile too.

the directory structure

main app folder
   /assets
      /img
          /global-icons
              ajax_loader_big.gif"
      /info
            web-loading.html
views
   view_Browser.livecode # Card 1 has the browser widget?

I have this in the preopenstack handler

setWebURL

command setWebURL
       put path_Assets() & "info/web-loading.html" into tLocalPath
       put url ("binfile://" & tLocalPath) into tLoader
       put path_Assets() & "img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif" into imgPath
       replace "##IMAGE-PATH##" with imgPath in tLoader
       set the htmlText of widget "body" to tLoader   # html is set, but img not found
       put tLoader # let's see what we are getting..
end setWebURL

path_Assets() function returns the  specialFolderPath("resources") & "assets/"

it is working for the html itself, but inside html both of these fail

# full URL from "root"  which would translate correctly on mobile to the app package?

<img src="/Users/Brahmanathaswami/Documents/_Siva-Siva-App/assets/img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif" width="128" height="128" alt="ajax_loader_big">

# I manually tried a relative path

<div class="container">
<img src="../assets/img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif" width="128" height="128" alt="ajax_loader_big">
</div>

The html is found because we see in the browser widget the broken image icon with the name "ajax_loader_big" so the path function works, html is set as expected, but the browser widget can't find the image locally.

I can "proof" this locally by moving a copy of web-loading.html into the same folder as the stack..
drag and drop onto a browser from that location, which is the same location as the stack with the browser widget?

both of these work

src="/Users/Brahmanathaswami/Documents/_Siva-Siva-App/assets/img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif"
src="../assets/img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif"

I could have sworn I had this working last year, but not today.  At that time we were working right in the same directory? so I tried this:

views
   /img
       ajax_loader_big.gif
   view_Browser.livecode
   web-loading.html

src="img/ajax_loader_big.gif"  in the html for the browser widget but it still can't find it

What am I missing?  Why can't the browser widget find the image?

BR






From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 15:05:41 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 20:05:41 +0000
Subject: Mac 64 bit?
In-Reply-To: <772b2560-dd93-4918-6d81-cca38feece9a@fourthworld.com>
References: <2BD8CE18-AAF0-4B7B-89E4-3736CAD4F8F4@mac.com>
	<772b2560-dd93-4918-6d81-cca38feece9a@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A13EB886-394A-4C1E-8B1F-FCE5E26F7DEE@mac.com>

OK, I stopped using LC 9 in earlier versions because of instability. Richard, you remind me how long ago all that was? anyway since your email (below) I?ve switch to 9.0.0 DP11. Seems fine, although the Project Browser still seems to update itself in real time.

(Just as an aside, I?m having lots of trouble doing LC things on two monitors (bits of the IDE disappearing, stack windows being relocated off screen etc), but I think the recent LC8 series was much the same. I?ve put in a bug report, but I am worried that the whole issue may be particular to my setup so the mother ship won?t see anything wrong.)

Thanks for the advice

Graham

> On 5 Jan 2018, at 00:18, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Graham Samuel wrote:
> >>> I notice using LC 8.1.8 (the latest stable release AFAIK) that in
> >>> the Standalone Application Settings, building for Mac OS X is still
> >>> described as EXPERIMENTAL. Is this right? Has anyone experienced any
> >>> gotchas by using this type of build? In reality I don?t know what
> >>> OSX started to expect 64 bit apps, but it must have been a good few
> >>> iterations ago.
> ...
> > Then the mother ship should remove the word EXPERIMENTAL. I will raise
> > it in the quality database.
> 
> One more reason to use the most recent build during development:
> 
> In v9 you'll find that's already done: 64-bit is now the default, "Experimental" has been removed, as "(Deprecated)" is now added next to 32-bit.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Sat Jan  6 15:09:37 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 21:09:37 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
Message-ID: <DBD39C69-7FB3-4B18-8892-ACED3A202230@hyperhh.de>

I tested this as follows (what shows that all my presumptions are wrong):

1. Downloaded and installed in the IDE the default iOSFont SF from here
___https://developer.apple.com/fonts/
2. Set the font SF Text Regular for both the field and the dataGrid header
3. Wrote Text (incl. umlauts) directly into the field and directly into
___the contents of the header

So clipboard effects and different default font settings are excluded.

The effect remains exactly the same as you (Klaus) describe.
For me it is now clear that this is a bug of the datagrid.

p.s. Tested only in the simulator but the font is the same on real hardware.




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jan  6 15:15:02 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 13:15:02 -0700
Subject: Local Image Paths in HTML for Browser Widget Fails
In-Reply-To: <CA7A01C6-225C-4AA5-95A1-33D73601AABC@hindu.org>
References: <CA7A01C6-225C-4AA5-95A1-33D73601AABC@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSo9fduaXLMn1RC01cyKPrh-C2uuUFoUEFwWioMSVbVTMw@mail.gmail.com>

It may be easier if you hit the file directly..

Build up your path string to the html file and put it into a variable
(including the file itself)

Then rather than grabbing the contents of the file, first edit and hard
code a relative path to your image in the file itself.

Then load the file as a url appearing like so..

"file:///path/to/your/html/file/myfile.html"

At this point the browser widget has a path location so any relative
addressing should work.


It doesn't work to relative reference when you set the htmltext unless you
give a proper frame of reference.  IE by setting the defaultfolder to the
location of the html file.  (I think it will work that way)  Otherwise the
browser widget has no frame of reference to locate things.

As far as why your line:
put path_Assets() & "img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif" into imgPath
 and then pasting it in, isn't working..  Not sure, seems like it should
work.

After load is complete, have you looked at the htmltext of the widget to
see exactly what is showing up as the src in the img tag?

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to send some local html to the browser widget to display a
> local loading GIF until the page "comes down" from the cloud. This needs to
> work on mobile too.
>
> the directory structure
>
> main app folder
>    /assets
>       /img
>           /global-icons
>               ajax_loader_big.gif"
>       /info
>             web-loading.html
> views
>    view_Browser.livecode # Card 1 has the browser widget?
>
> I have this in the preopenstack handler
>
> setWebURL
>
> command setWebURL
>        put path_Assets() & "info/web-loading.html" into tLocalPath
>        put url ("binfile://" & tLocalPath) into tLoader
>        put path_Assets() & "img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif" into
> imgPath
>        replace "##IMAGE-PATH##" with imgPath in tLoader
>        set the htmlText of widget "body" to tLoader   # html is set, but
> img not found
>        put tLoader # let's see what we are getting..
> end setWebURL
>
> path_Assets() function returns the  specialFolderPath("resources") &
> "assets/"
>
> it is working for the html itself, but inside html both of these fail
>
> # full URL from "root"  which would translate correctly on mobile to the
> app package?
>
> <img src="/Users/Brahmanathaswami/Documents/_Siva-Siva-App/
> assets/img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif" width="128" height="128"
> alt="ajax_loader_big">
>
> # I manually tried a relative path
>
> <div class="container">
> <img src="../assets/img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif" width="128"
> height="128" alt="ajax_loader_big">
> </div>
>
> The html is found because we see in the browser widget the broken image
> icon with the name "ajax_loader_big" so the path function works, html is
> set as expected, but the browser widget can't find the image locally.
>
> I can "proof" this locally by moving a copy of web-loading.html into the
> same folder as the stack..
> drag and drop onto a browser from that location, which is the same
> location as the stack with the browser widget?
>
> both of these work
>
> src="/Users/Brahmanathaswami/Documents/_Siva-Siva-App/
> assets/img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif"
> src="../assets/img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif"
>
> I could have sworn I had this working last year, but not today.  At that
> time we were working right in the same directory? so I tried this:
>
> views
>    /img
>        ajax_loader_big.gif
>    view_Browser.livecode
>    web-loading.html
>
> src="img/ajax_loader_big.gif"  in the html for the browser widget but it
> still can't find it
>
> What am I missing?  Why can't the browser widget find the image?
>
> BR
>
>
>
>
>
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From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Sat Jan  6 15:20:00 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (MWCM)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 15:20:00 -0500
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11694.1515267905.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.11694.1515267905.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5A350478-7951-45CE-AB0C-C63F45D9D44A@midwestcoastmedia.com>


> Looks like the FillInData handler in your row template script has an error
> in it. Maybe some data isn?t what the script expects? Check line 79 and see
> if there might be an error there.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
>> 

Nailed it. I have a sub-routine that tries to use an image thumbnail for each row and this new image had some weird naming issues so it didn?t load properly. I need to wrap a try statement around it and use a fallback. Thank you Trevor!

-Andrew Bell



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Jan  6 15:58:19 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 20:58:19 +0000
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 15
In-Reply-To: <5A350478-7951-45CE-AB0C-C63F45D9D44A@midwestcoastmedia.com>
References: <mailman.11694.1515267905.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<5A350478-7951-45CE-AB0C-C63F45D9D44A@midwestcoastmedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8Pz6zujfBUP7vq3+PRhYQPAE+H39gaWGosu_ENSxaATA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 2:20 PM MWCM via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > Looks like the FillInData handler in your row template script has an
> error
> > in it. Maybe some data isn?t what the script expects? Check line 79 and
> see
> > if there might be an error there.
> >
> > --
> > Trevor DeVore
> > ScreenSteps
> >>
>
> Nailed it. I have a sub-routine that tries to use an image thumbnail for
> each row and this new image had some weird naming issues so it didn?t load
> properly. I need to wrap a try statement around it and use a fallback.
> Thank you Trevor!
>
You?re welcome. Glad you found the problem.


--
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps


From hh at hyperhh.de  Sat Jan  6 16:48:15 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 22:48:15 +0100
Subject: Local Image Paths in HTML for Browser Widget Fails
Message-ID: <D37CE690-0DEB-449B-A663-835E7C27BBFE@hyperhh.de>

Yet another option.

1. Put ONCE the loader into a custom property

on mouseUp
  answer file "input your loader.gif"
  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
  put base64Encode(url("binfile:"&it)) into ii
  replace linefeed with empty in ii
  set the loader of this card to compress(ii)
end mouseUp
-- this has now at about the original size of the gif

2. Display the loader as follows.

on mouseUp
  set the htmltext of widget "browser" to \
        "<img src='data:image/gif;base64," & \
        decompress(the loader of this card) & "'>"
end mouseUp
-- optionally add width and height attributes




From iowahengst at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 16:49:57 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:49:57 -0600
Subject: Play WAV audio clips in iOS
In-Reply-To: <05CFC70B-0A0A-4001-91E9-DFF99443F6FD@mac.com>
References: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>
	<5C062E7F-4350-4D26-9191-69D799E41EB6@mac.com>
	<61279060-52A7-4029-A5F9-1D139BC9C96C@mac.com>
	<A29BD54C-D79E-431E-806D-3203C0125C2C@mac.com>
	<05CFC70B-0A0A-4001-91E9-DFF99443F6FD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0E220DC6-ECA9-4D06-8108-D787B495E50F@mac.com>

Hi Roger,

Sorry, but I have no idea. I?ve only used wav files added via the Copy Files pane for sound. In fact, I can?t even say I remember seeing the audio file under import as control.

randy
-----
> On Jan 6, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I really appreciate your patience with me, Randy, but, here is my question: 
> 
> Under the File menu of LiveCode, one is offered the option of "Importing As Control? -> ?Audio File?? What?s Up with that and how is that related to your solution?
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The wav file is imported via the Copy File tab?the wav file is not a control.
>> 
>> The path is then listed in the copy files window? for example:
>> /Users/randyhengst/Desktop/iOS App SOUNDS and ICON folders/FingerGloveCounting ICONS/0.wav
>> 
>> In this case, the name of my wav file is ?0.wav?
>> 
>> So in a control you call the play command? for example:
>> play specialFolderPath("engine") &"/"& ?0.wav"
>> 
>> I?ve used buttons, graphic objects, and images as the control.
>> 
>> If you change the location of the wav file or the location of the .livecode file you?re working after importing via the Copy Files tab, you?ll need to change the path or the wav file won?t be found when building your standalone.
>> 
>> In case you?re interested, here is a link to one of my free iOS apps that plays wav files via buttons:
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/number-id/id642054717?mt=8
>> 
>> randy
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Randy. I missed that! Is this done instead of Importing (them) As Controls, or in addition to Importing As Controls? Or is Importing As Controls useless?
>>> 
>>> Thanks again,
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I bring the wav files into the app using the Copy Files tab in the Standalone Applications Settings.
>>> 
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 17:08:26 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 14:08:26 -0800
Subject: Play WAV audio clips in iOS
In-Reply-To: <0E220DC6-ECA9-4D06-8108-D787B495E50F@mac.com>
References: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>
	<5C062E7F-4350-4D26-9191-69D799E41EB6@mac.com>
	<61279060-52A7-4029-A5F9-1D139BC9C96C@mac.com>
	<A29BD54C-D79E-431E-806D-3203C0125C2C@mac.com>
	<05CFC70B-0A0A-4001-91E9-DFF99443F6FD@mac.com>
	<0E220DC6-ECA9-4D06-8108-D787B495E50F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55EDD53F-C00D-4C3B-B635-BCEF5E1953A9@mac.com>

Aha, the thought plickens!  BTW, I was able to find all the numbers in your app, so I guess there?s hope?

Thanks for your help.

Roger

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Roger,
> 
> Sorry, but I have no idea. I?ve only used wav files added via the Copy Files pane for sound. In fact, I can?t even say I remember seeing the audio file under import as control.
> 
> randy
> -----
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 1:34 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I really appreciate your patience with me, Randy, but, here is my question: 
>> 
>> Under the File menu of LiveCode, one is offered the option of "Importing As Control? -> ?Audio File?? What?s Up with that and how is that related to your solution?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The wav file is imported via the Copy File tab?the wav file is not a control.
>>> 
>>> The path is then listed in the copy files window? for example:
>>> /Users/randyhengst/Desktop/iOS App SOUNDS and ICON folders/FingerGloveCounting ICONS/0.wav
>>> 
>>> In this case, the name of my wav file is ?0.wav?
>>> 
>>> So in a control you call the play command? for example:
>>> play specialFolderPath("engine") &"/"& ?0.wav"
>>> 
>>> I?ve used buttons, graphic objects, and images as the control.
>>> 
>>> If you change the location of the wav file or the location of the .livecode file you?re working after importing via the Copy Files tab, you?ll need to change the path or the wav file won?t be found when building your standalone.
>>> 
>>> In case you?re interested, here is a link to one of my free iOS apps that plays wav files via buttons:
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/number-id/id642054717?mt=8
>>> 
>>> randy
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Randy. I missed that! Is this done instead of Importing (them) As Controls, or in addition to Importing As Controls? Or is Importing As Controls useless?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> 
>>>> Roger
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I bring the wav files into the app using the Copy Files tab in the Standalone Applications Settings.
>>>> 
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Sat Jan  6 17:15:46 2018
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 23:15:46 +0100
Subject: Play WAV audio clips in iOS
In-Reply-To: <05CFC70B-0A0A-4001-91E9-DFF99443F6FD@mac.com>
References: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>
	<5C062E7F-4350-4D26-9191-69D799E41EB6@mac.com>
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	<A29BD54C-D79E-431E-806D-3203C0125C2C@mac.com>
	<05CFC70B-0A0A-4001-91E9-DFF99443F6FD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <17F5B494-9D3E-424C-A549-D10178C738EF@me.com>

When you import an audio file into the stack as a control you need to use:  play audioClip "the name of your imported sound?, as the imported file becomes an audio clip. The dictionary is somewhat confusing when it comes to support for audio clips om mobile platforms. If you look at audioClip as object, the dictionary states that it is not supported on mobile platforms, but the messages deleteAudioClip and newAudioClip seems to be supported, as is the keyword templateAudioClip.

In my opinion it is always best to use external files for audio and video, and store them in a designated folder where you have write permissions. This makes it easier to update these resources without the need to update the whole application.

Regards 
Tore Nilsen

> 6. jan. 2018 kl. 20:34 skrev Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I really appreciate your patience with me, Randy, but, here is my question: 
> 
> Under the File menu of LiveCode, one is offered the option of "Importing As Control? -> ?Audio File?? What?s Up with that and how is that related to your solution?
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The wav file is imported via the Copy File tab?the wav file is not a control.
>> 
>> The path is then listed in the copy files window? for example:
>> /Users/randyhengst/Desktop/iOS App SOUNDS and ICON folders/FingerGloveCounting ICONS/0.wav
>> 
>> In this case, the name of my wav file is ?0.wav?
>> 
>> So in a control you call the play command? for example:
>> play specialFolderPath("engine") &"/"& ?0.wav"
>> 
>> I?ve used buttons, graphic objects, and images as the control.
>> 
>> If you change the location of the wav file or the location of the .livecode file you?re working after importing via the Copy Files tab, you?ll need to change the path or the wav file won?t be found when building your standalone.
>> 
>> In case you?re interested, here is a link to one of my free iOS apps that plays wav files via buttons:
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/number-id/id642054717?mt=8
>> 
>> randy
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Randy. I missed that! Is this done instead of Importing (them) As Controls, or in addition to Importing As Controls? Or is Importing As Controls useless?
>>> 
>>> Thanks again,
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I bring the wav files into the app using the Copy Files tab in the Standalone Applications Settings.
>>> 
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 17:29:04 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 14:29:04 -0800
Subject: Play WAV audio clips in iOS
In-Reply-To: <17F5B494-9D3E-424C-A549-D10178C738EF@me.com>
References: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>
	<5C062E7F-4350-4D26-9191-69D799E41EB6@mac.com>
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	<17F5B494-9D3E-424C-A549-D10178C738EF@me.com>
Message-ID: <D53DC9D5-E292-4221-86AA-65167BCDAB18@mac.com>

Thank you Tore. That clears up a lot and makes good sense.

Roger

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> When you import an audio file into the stack as a control you need to use:  play audioClip "the name of your imported sound?, as the imported file becomes an audio clip. The dictionary is somewhat confusing when it comes to support for audio clips om mobile platforms. If you look at audioClip as object, the dictionary states that it is not supported on mobile platforms, but the messages deleteAudioClip and newAudioClip seems to be supported, as is the keyword templateAudioClip.
> 
> In my opinion it is always best to use external files for audio and video, and store them in a designated folder where you have write permissions. This makes it easier to update these resources without the need to update the whole application.
> 
> Regards 
> Tore Nilsen
> 
>> 6. jan. 2018 kl. 20:34 skrev Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I really appreciate your patience with me, Randy, but, here is my question: 
>> 
>> Under the File menu of LiveCode, one is offered the option of "Importing As Control? -> ?Audio File?? What?s Up with that and how is that related to your solution?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The wav file is imported via the Copy File tab?the wav file is not a control.
>>> 
>>> The path is then listed in the copy files window? for example:
>>> /Users/randyhengst/Desktop/iOS App SOUNDS and ICON folders/FingerGloveCounting ICONS/0.wav
>>> 
>>> In this case, the name of my wav file is ?0.wav?
>>> 
>>> So in a control you call the play command? for example:
>>> play specialFolderPath("engine") &"/"& ?0.wav"
>>> 
>>> I?ve used buttons, graphic objects, and images as the control.
>>> 
>>> If you change the location of the wav file or the location of the .livecode file you?re working after importing via the Copy Files tab, you?ll need to change the path or the wav file won?t be found when building your standalone.
>>> 
>>> In case you?re interested, here is a link to one of my free iOS apps that plays wav files via buttons:
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/number-id/id642054717?mt=8
>>> 
>>> randy
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Randy. I missed that! Is this done instead of Importing (them) As Controls, or in addition to Importing As Controls? Or is Importing As Controls useless?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> 
>>>> Roger
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I bring the wav files into the app using the Copy Files tab in the Standalone Applications Settings.
>>>> 
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>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan  6 18:46:56 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 17:46:56 -0600
Subject: The coming of SVG
In-Reply-To: <2ac801c73a0d5fe1698197e0d0b29123@livecode.com>
References: <9b4b2d74e230e7a8c83716d9447f7419@livecode.com>
	<1510154220809-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1515164300379-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<2ac801c73a0d5fe1698197e0d0b29123@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <d4e2b9ae-ed44-4447-0e06-d6bc66675d06@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/5/18 9:03 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> Take a look in the dictionary under drawingSvgCompile().

I just read this and, not being very familiar with SVG formats, I'm 
confused. Is there a way to use this to provide a larger hit region 
around an SVG?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From iowahengst at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 18:56:29 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 17:56:29 -0600
Subject: Play WAV audio clips in iOS
In-Reply-To: <D53DC9D5-E292-4221-86AA-65167BCDAB18@mac.com>
References: <333B47EC-8FF2-4D7E-A358-4E8594EF5FEF@mac.com>
	<5C062E7F-4350-4D26-9191-69D799E41EB6@mac.com>
	<61279060-52A7-4029-A5F9-1D139BC9C96C@mac.com>
	<A29BD54C-D79E-431E-806D-3203C0125C2C@mac.com>
	<05CFC70B-0A0A-4001-91E9-DFF99443F6FD@mac.com>
	<17F5B494-9D3E-424C-A549-D10178C738EF@me.com>
	<D53DC9D5-E292-4221-86AA-65167BCDAB18@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F83FC7A0-0B7B-47D0-A663-574BA5657AA8@mac.com>

Yes, Tore, thank you for that from me too?now play audioClip does ring a bell. 

I must have used it at some point. But as I mentioned in an earlier response, now I only use Copy Files? I bet that became my practice when I began developing exclusively for iOS 8-ish years ago.

randy

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Tore. That clears up a lot and makes good sense.
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> When you import an audio file into the stack as a control you need to use:  play audioClip "the name of your imported sound?, as the imported file becomes an audio clip. The dictionary is somewhat confusing when it comes to support for audio clips om mobile platforms. If you look at audioClip as object, the dictionary states that it is not supported on mobile platforms, but the messages deleteAudioClip and newAudioClip seems to be supported, as is the keyword templateAudioClip.
>> 
>> In my opinion it is always best to use external files for audio and video, and store them in a designated folder where you have write permissions. This makes it easier to update these resources without the need to update the whole application.
>> 
>> Regards 
>> Tore Nilsen
>> 
>>> 6. jan. 2018 kl. 20:34 skrev Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> I really appreciate your patience with me, Randy, but, here is my question: 
>>> 
>>> Under the File menu of LiveCode, one is offered the option of "Importing As Control? -> ?Audio File?? What?s Up with that and how is that related to your solution?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The wav file is imported via the Copy File tab?the wav file is not a control.
>>>> 
>>>> The path is then listed in the copy files window? for example:
>>>> /Users/randyhengst/Desktop/iOS App SOUNDS and ICON folders/FingerGloveCounting ICONS/0.wav
>>>> 
>>>> In this case, the name of my wav file is ?0.wav?
>>>> 
>>>> So in a control you call the play command? for example:
>>>> play specialFolderPath("engine") &"/"& ?0.wav"
>>>> 
>>>> I?ve used buttons, graphic objects, and images as the control.
>>>> 
>>>> If you change the location of the wav file or the location of the .livecode file you?re working after importing via the Copy Files tab, you?ll need to change the path or the wav file won?t be found when building your standalone.
>>>> 
>>>> In case you?re interested, here is a link to one of my free iOS apps that plays wav files via buttons:
>>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/number-id/id642054717?mt=8
>>>> 
>>>> randy
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Randy. I missed that! Is this done instead of Importing (them) As Controls, or in addition to Importing As Controls? Or is Importing As Controls useless?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I bring the wav files into the app using the Copy Files tab in the Standalone Applications Settings.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Jan  6 19:01:26 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 16:01:26 -0800
Subject: iOS Profile Menu
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPRw02w9O0BkrGbKbPH1CNcqnTxc=L0eVBYDi=mJOge8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRYKVyiZJWLRyz9sauT4mtDQkJc23MqFDwdDhXCKoPivag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOLFso+A7+f9oFuEr=0=JnYvAaW++KCZTWKDGKZPj9+ww@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C6DDCA3-745E-4F8A-AEC1-DCA51AB0D4F2@mac.com>
	<823BE260-4D02-4AE7-A9D9-B3636777AB94@mac.com>
	<CADCoycPRw02w9O0BkrGbKbPH1CNcqnTxc=L0eVBYDi=mJOge8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D93B6D-A594-4E92-8D16-75CBA570BEFE@mac.com>

Thanks, Mike. I misspoke . . . What I meant to say was that Organizer in Xcode 9.1 has only Archives and Crashes. I had to go to Devices and Simulators under the Window menu to connect my iPad etc. Plus, on my setup, I see only "Download Manual Profiles? (emphasis on Manual) in my Accounts tab of Xcode Prefs.

Roger

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Roger,
> It's preferences in XCode, not Organizer.
> As for your internal app id, it's just what you define so that when you do
> installs, etc. ios knows which app you're talking about.  When the user
> does a download or an update, it knows which app.  Apple recommends a
> reverse-whatever-its-called notation, e.g. com.roger.guay.myAwesomeGame.
> Note that it is case-sensitive.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Problem solved . . . I think. I got misdirected by instructions to go to
>> Xcode?s Organizer window where in fact, I think that, one needs to go to
>> the ?Devices and Simulators? window. Alas that did not seem to provide
>> adequate instruction for generating rofiles. I finally went to the Apple
>> Portal and manually developed a profile. Not sure of the details yet, and
>> I?m left with the question of how one generates the "Internal App ID? from
>> Xcode. But, at least I?m up and running.
>> 
>> Thanks to all,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you, Mike. I had done what you propose and just did it again
>> (except mine gives only the ?Download Manual Profiles?). To no avail! My LC
>> seems to be stuck with 3 profiles from years ago, which I don?t see
>> anywhere else I?ve looked, but I?m not sure where to even look for this??
>>> 
>>> BTW, I?m using LC 8.1.8 and Xcode 9.1 and I do get the green indication
>> in LC Prefs.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Roger,
>>>> These come from your apple developer profile.  After you have created
>> your
>>>> various app identifiers and profiles, the easiest way to keep them
>>>> up-to-date is from within xCode, but xCode tends to add extras,
>> sometimes.
>>>> Go into xCode, choose Preferences.  Then pick the second tab, called
>>>> "Accounts".  Log in using your AppleID, then hit "Download all
>> profiles".
>>>> The next time you start LC, all your ios apps and profiles should
>> appear.
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Once again, I?m trying to figure out the Apple maze for developing on
>>>>> iOS.
>>>>>> Fat chance, eh?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can someone please tell me where the items of the Profile menu in the
>>>>>> Standalone Application Settings come from? Nothing I do has any
>> effect on
>>>>>> that pulldown menu, and I?ve been messing with this for days!!!
>>>>>> 
>>> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan  6 23:21:47 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 23:21:47 -0500
Subject: iOS Profile Menu
In-Reply-To: <45D93B6D-A594-4E92-8D16-75CBA570BEFE@mac.com>
References: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRYKVyiZJWLRyz9sauT4mtDQkJc23MqFDwdDhXCKoPivag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOLFso+A7+f9oFuEr=0=JnYvAaW++KCZTWKDGKZPj9+ww@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C6DDCA3-745E-4F8A-AEC1-DCA51AB0D4F2@mac.com>
	<823BE260-4D02-4AE7-A9D9-B3636777AB94@mac.com>
	<CADCoycPRw02w9O0BkrGbKbPH1CNcqnTxc=L0eVBYDi=mJOge8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D93B6D-A594-4E92-8D16-75CBA570BEFE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNEW3Lq--4vrzLzpaoX=1+gHtbXmkUhLFd+SRtvVXoOrw@mail.gmail.com>

Until Panos or someone else from the mother ship chimes in and corrects
me...
If memory serves me correctly, use the "download manual profiles" button.
I believe that when you create apps and certs on the developer portal you
have to download them manually using xcode (but maybe the act of logging in
to your developer account from xcode loads them - I don't remember off the
top of my head).

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 7:01 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Mike. I misspoke . . . What I meant to say was that Organizer in
> Xcode 9.1 has only Archives and Crashes. I had to go to Devices and
> Simulators under the Window menu to connect my iPad etc. Plus, on my setup,
> I see only "Download Manual Profiles? (emphasis on Manual) in my Accounts
> tab of Xcode Prefs.
>
> Roger
>
> > On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Roger,
> > It's preferences in XCode, not Organizer.
> > As for your internal app id, it's just what you define so that when you
> do
> > installs, etc. ios knows which app you're talking about.  When the user
> > does a download or an update, it knows which app.  Apple recommends a
> > reverse-whatever-its-called notation, e.g. com.roger.guay.myAwesomeGame.
> > Note that it is case-sensitive.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Problem solved . . . I think. I got misdirected by instructions to go to
> >> Xcode?s Organizer window where in fact, I think that, one needs to go to
> >> the ?Devices and Simulators? window. Alas that did not seem to provide
> >> adequate instruction for generating rofiles. I finally went to the Apple
> >> Portal and manually developed a profile. Not sure of the details yet,
> and
> >> I?m left with the question of how one generates the "Internal App ID?
> from
> >> Xcode. But, at least I?m up and running.
> >>
> >> Thanks to all,
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you, Mike. I had done what you propose and just did it again
> >> (except mine gives only the ?Download Manual Profiles?). To no avail!
> My LC
> >> seems to be stuck with 3 profiles from years ago, which I don?t see
> >> anywhere else I?ve looked, but I?m not sure where to even look for
> this??
> >>>
> >>> BTW, I?m using LC 8.1.8 and Xcode 9.1 and I do get the green indication
> >> in LC Prefs.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your help,
> >>> Roger
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger,
> >>>> These come from your apple developer profile.  After you have created
> >> your
> >>>> various app identifiers and profiles, the easiest way to keep them
> >>>> up-to-date is from within xCode, but xCode tends to add extras,
> >> sometimes.
> >>>> Go into xCode, choose Preferences.  Then pick the second tab, called
> >>>> "Accounts".  Log in using your AppleID, then hit "Download all
> >> profiles".
> >>>> The next time you start LC, all your ios apps and profiles should
> >> appear.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Folks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Once again, I?m trying to figure out the Apple maze for developing
> on
> >>>>> iOS.
> >>>>>> Fat chance, eh?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can someone please tell me where the items of the Profile menu in
> the
> >>>>>> Standalone Application Settings come from? Nothing I do has any
> >> effect on
> >>>>>> that pulldown menu, and I?ve been messing with this for days!!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>
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On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From irog at mac.com  Sun Jan  7 01:52:59 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2018 22:52:59 -0800
Subject: iOS Profile Menu
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNEW3Lq--4vrzLzpaoX=1+gHtbXmkUhLFd+SRtvVXoOrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRYKVyiZJWLRyz9sauT4mtDQkJc23MqFDwdDhXCKoPivag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOLFso+A7+f9oFuEr=0=JnYvAaW++KCZTWKDGKZPj9+ww@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C6DDCA3-745E-4F8A-AEC1-DCA51AB0D4F2@mac.com>
	<823BE260-4D02-4AE7-A9D9-B3636777AB94@mac.com>
	<CADCoycPRw02w9O0BkrGbKbPH1CNcqnTxc=L0eVBYDi=mJOge8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D93B6D-A594-4E92-8D16-75CBA570BEFE@mac.com>
	<CADCoycNEW3Lq--4vrzLzpaoX=1+gHtbXmkUhLFd+SRtvVXoOrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1279B2E8-976A-4564-8A4D-6120946B239D@mac.com>

Thanks, Mike. I got it to work but it ain?t pretty!! If I ever get to the point of understanding this process, I?m going to build a tutorial stack with an interactive and linked process flowchart. I won?t hold my breath.

Roger

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:21 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Until Panos or someone else from the mother ship chimes in and corrects
> me...
> If memory serves me correctly, use the "download manual profiles" button.
> I believe that when you create apps and certs on the developer portal you
> have to download them manually using xcode (but maybe the act of logging in
> to your developer account from xcode loads them - I don't remember off the
> top of my head).
> 
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 7:01 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Mike. I misspoke . . . What I meant to say was that Organizer in
>> Xcode 9.1 has only Archives and Crashes. I had to go to Devices and
>> Simulators under the Window menu to connect my iPad etc. Plus, on my setup,
>> I see only "Download Manual Profiles? (emphasis on Manual) in my Accounts
>> tab of Xcode Prefs.
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:41 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Roger,
>>> It's preferences in XCode, not Organizer.
>>> As for your internal app id, it's just what you define so that when you
>> do
>>> installs, etc. ios knows which app you're talking about.  When the user
>>> does a download or an update, it knows which app.  Apple recommends a
>>> reverse-whatever-its-called notation, e.g. com.roger.guay.myAwesomeGame.
>>> Note that it is case-sensitive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Problem solved . . . I think. I got misdirected by instructions to go to
>>>> Xcode?s Organizer window where in fact, I think that, one needs to go to
>>>> the ?Devices and Simulators? window. Alas that did not seem to provide
>>>> adequate instruction for generating rofiles. I finally went to the Apple
>>>> Portal and manually developed a profile. Not sure of the details yet,
>> and
>>>> I?m left with the question of how one generates the "Internal App ID?
>> from
>>>> Xcode. But, at least I?m up and running.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks to all,
>>>> 
>>>> Roger
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you, Mike. I had done what you propose and just did it again
>>>> (except mine gives only the ?Download Manual Profiles?). To no avail!
>> My LC
>>>> seems to be stuck with 3 profiles from years ago, which I don?t see
>>>> anywhere else I?ve looked, but I?m not sure where to even look for
>> this??
>>>>> 
>>>>> BTW, I?m using LC 8.1.8 and Xcode 9.1 and I do get the green indication
>>>> in LC Prefs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger,
>>>>>> These come from your apple developer profile.  After you have created
>>>> your
>>>>>> various app identifiers and profiles, the easiest way to keep them
>>>>>> up-to-date is from within xCode, but xCode tends to add extras,
>>>> sometimes.
>>>>>> Go into xCode, choose Preferences.  Then pick the second tab, called
>>>>>> "Accounts".  Log in using your AppleID, then hit "Download all
>>>> profiles".
>>>>>> The next time you start LC, all your ios apps and profiles should
>>>> appear.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Once again, I?m trying to figure out the Apple maze for developing
>> on
>>>>>>> iOS.
>>>>>>>> Fat chance, eh?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Can someone please tell me where the items of the Profile menu in
>> the
>>>>>>>> Standalone Application Settings come from? Nothing I do has any
>>>> effect on
>>>>>>>> that pulldown menu, and I?ve been messing with this for days!!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  7 03:43:26 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 10:43:26 +0200
Subject: Let's rotate an SVG widget
Message-ID: <dcb99f9b-456c-6e6f-c9cf-e055f619e498@gmail.com>

So, I imported an SVG from Inkscape into an SVG widget . . .

Then I tried to rotate the thing;

it rotated,

it kept "swelling and shrinking" because its bounding box was square.

This is not cutting the mustard.

Richmond.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  7 04:03:15 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 11:03:15 +0200
Subject: Let's rotate an SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <dcb99f9b-456c-6e6f-c9cf-e055f619e498@gmail.com>
References: <dcb99f9b-456c-6e6f-c9cf-e055f619e498@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37aecaf9-4496-300f-2a03-969efac1ad8c@gmail.com>

I went here: https://livecode.com/livecode-widgets-svg-path/

and came across maintainAspectRatio which sounds dead groovy:

setthemaintainAspectRatio ofwidget "hour" totrue
settheangleofwidget "hour" toINC

but it didn't maintain its aspect ratio . . .

Richmond.


On 7/1/2018 10:43 am, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> So, I imported an SVG from Inkscape into an SVG widget . . .
>
> Then I tried to rotate the thing;
>
> it rotated,
>
> it kept "swelling and shrinking" because its bounding box was square.
>
> This is not cutting the mustard.
>
> Richmond.



From hh at hyperhh.de  Sun Jan  7 04:58:45 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 10:58:45 +0100
Subject: Let's rotate an SVG widget
Message-ID: <2BB5AC10-6594-4412-A974-31808D02C971@hyperhh.de>

Maintain aspect ratio is for resizing the svg object
when resizing the widget.

What you want is  probably that the widget resizes its
rectangle *minimally* so that the size of the svg remains
unchanged when rotating. That's not (yet) available in LCB.

But you can compute the needed rectangle and resize the
widget accordingly by LC Script.
(I did that for a rotating text widget).



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  7 05:27:26 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 12:27:26 +0200
Subject: Let's rotate an SVG widget
In-Reply-To: <2BB5AC10-6594-4412-A974-31808D02C971@hyperhh.de>
References: <2BB5AC10-6594-4412-A974-31808D02C971@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <cd5b0ad7-e36a-48f2-89fe-d92cb616b16c@gmail.com>

"But you can compute the needed rectangle and resize the

widget accordingly by LC Script."

Indeed: but that presupposes I'm NOT a lazy slob8-)

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30405

Richmond.


On 7/1/2018 11:58 am, hh via use-livecode wrote:
> Maintain aspect ratio is for resizing the svg object
> when resizing the widget.
>
> What you want is  probably that the widget resizes its
> rectangle *minimally* so that the size of the svg remains
> unchanged when rotating. That's not (yet) available in LCB.
>
> But you can compute the needed rectangle and resize the
> widget accordingly by LC Script.
> (I did that for a rotating text widget).
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Jan  7 07:01:33 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 13:01:33 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
In-Reply-To: <DBD39C69-7FB3-4B18-8892-ACED3A202230@hyperhh.de>
References: <DBD39C69-7FB3-4B18-8892-ACED3A202230@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <7D5BA9F3-6F10-44BF-A6CC-EFD8E5402E50@major-k.de>

Hallo Hermann,

> Am 06.01.2018 um 21:09 schrieb hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I tested this as follows (what shows that all my presumptions are wrong):
> 
> 1. Downloaded and installed in the IDE the default iOSFont SF from here
> ___https://developer.apple.com/fonts/
> 2. Set the font SF Text Regular for both the field and the dataGrid header
> 3. Wrote Text (incl. umlauts) directly into the field and directly into
> ___the contents of the header
> 
> So clipboard effects and different default font settings are excluded.
> 
> The effect remains exactly the same as you (Klaus) describe.
> For me it is now clear that this is a bug of the datagrid.
> 
> p.s. Tested only in the simulator but the font is the same on real hardware.

thanks for testing!

I think I found the culprit:
In the Datagrid Library in the handler -> setprop dgColumnLabel [pColumn] pValue
Line 6094:
...
if the platform is "macos" then put "mac" into theColsA[pColumn]["encoding"]
...

If I change "mac" to "utf8", the header look fine in the simulator!
Did not test the windows encoding, but should surely also read "utf8"

Will file a but report later today.


Best

Klaus

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From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Jan  7 08:44:33 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 14:44:33 +0100
Subject: text encoding problem Mac to iOS?
In-Reply-To: <7D5BA9F3-6F10-44BF-A6CC-EFD8E5402E50@major-k.de>
References: <DBD39C69-7FB3-4B18-8892-ACED3A202230@hyperhh.de>
	<7D5BA9F3-6F10-44BF-A6CC-EFD8E5402E50@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <2B1858C2-6CF0-46D4-8A04-2150FC2C5BA6@major-k.de>

Am 07.01.2018 um 13:01 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hallo Hermann,
> 
>> Am 06.01.2018 um 21:09 schrieb hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> I tested this as follows (what shows that all my presumptions are wrong):
>> 
>> 1. Downloaded and installed in the IDE the default iOSFont SF from here
>> ___https://developer.apple.com/fonts/
>> 2. Set the font SF Text Regular for both the field and the dataGrid header
>> 3. Wrote Text (incl. umlauts) directly into the field and directly into
>> ___the contents of the header
>> 
>> So clipboard effects and different default font settings are excluded.
>> 
>> The effect remains exactly the same as you (Klaus) describe.
>> For me it is now clear that this is a bug of the datagrid.
>> 
>> p.s. Tested only in the simulator but the font is the same on real hardware.
> 
> thanks for testing!
> 
> I think I found the culprit:
> In the Datagrid Library in the handler -> setprop dgColumnLabel [pColumn] pValue
> Line 6094:
> ...
> if the platform is "macos" then put "mac" into theColsA[pColumn]["encoding"]
> ...
> 
> If I change "mac" to "utf8", the header look fine in the simulator!
> Did not test the windows encoding, but should surely also read "utf8"
> 
> Will file a but report later today.

done: <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20836>

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From christer at mindcrea.com  Sun Jan  7 10:32:44 2018
From: christer at mindcrea.com (=?utf-8?Q?Pyyhti=C3=A4_Christer?=)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 17:32:44 +0200
Subject: Object layers
Message-ID: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>

When setting object layers, how do they work actually?

The documentation states the higher the number of an object, the control is higher than the the object it is on.

This means that in case of two objects on top of each other a mouseClick would go first to the object with the higher layer number, yes?

And, it seems to be that not any two objects on a card can exist with the same layer number, if the objects are not in the same group, right?

Now if you have objects grouped, and you ungroup them, how to keep them still above any other layers they are on?  For example, you have a set of game buttons on the board, which you initially group to move them together, and then you need to ungroup them, and with sequential clocks you want to make sure the control is with a single button instead of first hitting the playboard squares, how do you make sure the buttons reside on top of the board.

I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random layers.


Christer Pyyhti?
MindCrea Ltd
christer at mindcrea.com <mailto:christer at mindcrea.com>





From iowahengst at mac.com  Sun Jan  7 10:51:26 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2018 09:51:26 -0600
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
References: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
Message-ID: <72C40B22-CE08-4CED-9952-55288DE98008@mac.com>

What if you set the layer of the group to top before ungrouping?
set the layer of grp "playerGroup" to top

ungroup grp "playerGroup"

But, why do you need to ungroup? 

randy
-----

> On Jan 7, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Pyyhti? Christer via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> When setting object layers, how do they work actually?
> 
> The documentation states the higher the number of an object, the control is higher than the the object it is on.
> 
> This means that in case of two objects on top of each other a mouseClick would go first to the object with the higher layer number, yes?
> 
> And, it seems to be that not any two objects on a card can exist with the same layer number, if the objects are not in the same group, right?
> 
> Now if you have objects grouped, and you ungroup them, how to keep them still above any other layers they are on?  For example, you have a set of game buttons on the board, which you initially group to move them together, and then you need to ungroup them, and with sequential clocks you want to make sure the control is with a single button instead of first hitting the playboard squares, how do you make sure the buttons reside on top of the board.
> 
> I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random layers.
> 
> 
> Christer Pyyhti?
> MindCrea Ltd
> christer at mindcrea.com <mailto:christer at mindcrea.com>
> 
> 
> 
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Sun Jan  7 12:13:17 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 10:13:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
References: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
Message-ID: <1515345197815-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

"I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random
layers. "

First, what Klaus said.

Second, layer order is preserved pretty well in LC. When you set the layer
of the group to top, as Kluas suggests, and then ungroup, all the child
controls take the topmost layers, with their individual order reflecting
their order when they were initially grouped.

Craig Newman



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From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Jan  7 12:21:52 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 18:21:52 +0100
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <1515345197815-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
	<1515345197815-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DB385244-9C9E-432B-9310-ED05525D287C@major-k.de>

Hi Craig,

> Am 07.01.2018 um 18:13 schrieb dunbarx via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> "I have experienced that ungrouping may send the individual objects to random
> layers. "
> 
> First, what Klaus said.
> 
> Second, layer order is preserved pretty well in LC. When you set the layer
> of the group to top, as Kluas

sheesh... 8-)

> suggests, and then ungroup, all the child
> controls take the topmost layers, with their individual order reflecting
> their order when they were initially grouped.

although I am quite active in the forum and here on the list, I did NOT respond
to this thread so far, you mean Randy H. :-)

> Craig Newman

Best

Klaus

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klaus at major-k.de




From dunbarx at aol.com  Sun Jan  7 16:30:16 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 14:30:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <DB385244-9C9E-432B-9310-ED05525D287C@major-k.de>
References: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
	<1515345197815-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DB385244-9C9E-432B-9310-ED05525D287C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1515360616862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Klaus.

I never can figure out who the authors of these posts are. It seems that
each day one user garners all of them. I have no idea how that is managed.
With--over at midnight GMT?

I asked years ago that everyone sign their full names because the list
structure itself is useless.

Craig Newman



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan  7 17:40:22 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2018 16:40:22 -0600
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <1515360616862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
	<1515345197815-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DB385244-9C9E-432B-9310-ED05525D287C@major-k.de>
	<1515360616862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <160d2c82bf0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

It works if you receive the list in email, only the nabble archives do that 
(and maybe some others.) The last person to post is assigned to all posts 
in the archive. It can change minute to minute.

Also, when replying to the list from an email client you may need to adjust 
your reply settings, otherwise the reply goes only to the poster and not to 
the entire list.

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On January 7, 2018 3:32:23 PM dunbarx via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Klaus.
>
> I never can figure out who the authors of these posts are. It seems that
> each day one user garners all of them. I have no idea how that is managed.
> With--over at midnight GMT?
>
> I asked years ago that everyone sign their full names because the list
> structure itself is useless.
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
> --
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From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Jan  7 21:25:47 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 02:25:47 +0000
Subject: Local Image Paths in HTML for Browser Widget Fails
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSo9fduaXLMn1RC01cyKPrh-C2uuUFoUEFwWioMSVbVTMw@mail.gmail.com>
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@ Mike? thanks?

duh! (as he slaps himself on the side of the head)  I was mixing up the props 

the htmltext # with
the url

this is all static content so all that was needed was, 

assets
   /info
      web-loading.html

    <div class="container">
<img src="../img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif" width="128" height="128" alt="ajax_loader_big">
</div> 

and then this

command setWebURL
   put path_Assets() & "info/web-loading.html" into tLocalPath
   set the uirl of widget "body"  to tLocalPath 
end setWebURL


"of course"

@ HH, thanks for the base64 method? I can use that in other instances.

@ All, this really doesn?t get me what I want though, because as soon as we set the URL of the browser widget to the intended remote web page, our local page is of course "disconnected" the loader image is gone and the user is *still* staring at a blank screen waiting.

I must have been working too late and didn't see either of these to things, which, are of course obvious.  I'll start another thread on loading web pages/user notifications.

On 1/6/18, 10:15 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Then load the file as a url appearing like so..
    
    "file:///path/to/your/html/file/myfile.html"
    
    At this point the browser widget has a path location so any relative
    addressing should work.


From dunbarx at aol.com  Sun Jan  7 21:43:56 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 19:43:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <160d2c82bf0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
	<1515345197815-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DB385244-9C9E-432B-9310-ED05525D287C@major-k.de>
	<1515360616862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<160d2c82bf0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1515379436447-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Jacque.

I do receive them as emails, but the text is not well formed, and the thread
is not preserved. So I go to babble to get the context and timing.

It would all be fine if we signed our names.

Craig



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From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Jan  7 22:06:12 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 03:06:12 +0000
Subject: Notifying users of Web Delays in Browser Widget
Message-ID: <32EB7D6D-632F-4490-A65F-4284A191311F@hindu.org>

Where

1) we cannot use TSNet to "listen" to the socket being used by the Browser widget

2) We cannot overlay a browser with any kind of control/dialog on mobile (or desktop)

3) the browser widget takes the whole card screen on mobile phone, except bottom nav bar which is native LC control 50px high

4) it doesn't help to load your own local page with a loader give because this is "supplanted" by the remote URL and the browser widget goes blank while waiting for the remote page to load

5) we want to inform the user after 5 seconds that this is taking a long time and perhaps they may like to abort.

has anyone here wrapped this use case already?

I can think of various scenarios. but I'm loath to mess with the screen too much as we already having issues on Android with the browser widget. if we can hide the browser widget on mobile and we *can* over lay a control then we can load a native LC image with our loader animated GIF.. the it's a no-brainer to use this algorithm

check browserDocumentLoadComplete
on send in time every 500 milliseconds
if elapsed time > 5 seconds then
inform user, offer choices? if complete then hide our image and show the browser widget.

I am already doing the above and raising a small "snackbar" at the bottom of the screen that says "loading"?  that is <50 px high and since that area is not occupied by the browser widget, this works? but I would rather have a more "in your face" dialog for the user who is, say in mangroves of Bengal with Android/3G and is waiting, waiting and waiting for a page to load from some Cloud Flare server in Chennai, Delhi or Bangkok? (no kidding I actually have some users in that context)  my beta tester in Kerala wants some better notification for this situation.

But before I go down this road, I'm wondering what anyone else may have come to for a UI/UX for this that works we on both iOS and Android.

or boil down to a single question: Anyone having issues with hiding/showing the browser widget on Android? and using that space for native controls while it's hidden?

BR

OT: Throttling bandwidth on test devices seems to be a common requirement, if you are stuck with highspeed WIFI.. what to do?  A quick search, yes, lots of hits, but no  easy options? for either iOS or Android. Have you found one? For now I'm just switching to airplane mode, commenting out our "pingForConnection/Abort" handlers in test builds? but this is a nuisance?






From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan  7 22:42:20 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2018 21:42:20 -0600
Subject: Notifying users of Web Delays in Browser Widget
In-Reply-To: <32EB7D6D-632F-4490-A65F-4284A191311F@hindu.org>
References: <32EB7D6D-632F-4490-A65F-4284A191311F@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <160d3dca160.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

If I think a url is taking too long, I just move on. Does the user really 
need a notification?


On January 7, 2018 9:08:20 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> 5) we want to inform the user after 5 seconds that this is taking a long 
> time and perhaps they may like to abort.

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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan  7 23:14:27 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:14:27 -0700
Subject: Local Image Paths in HTML for Browser Widget Fails
In-Reply-To: <2A4B8D4B-A883-4F35-8725-DB5F14FEA8DB@hindu.org>
References: <CA7A01C6-225C-4AA5-95A1-33D73601AABC@hindu.org>
	<CAG1cpSo9fduaXLMn1RC01cyKPrh-C2uuUFoUEFwWioMSVbVTMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A4B8D4B-A883-4F35-8725-DB5F14FEA8DB@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpSw=+fGSOinKHE8cOJixrK0QN+3u83wxuOJyPs-2=eNg@mail.gmail.com>

2 possible options I can see.. either have a 2nd browser widget with that
page in it, and enable/disable hide/show or just move it out of the
screenrect..  Though it sounds like all you're doing is putting an animated
gif that you want to show during page load.   Can't you just pop it into an
image object, and then overlay it however you like on top of the browser
widget. hide/show/enable/disable as needed?

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> @ Mike? thanks?
>
> duh! (as he slaps himself on the side of the head)  I was mixing up the
> props
>
> the htmltext # with
> the url
>
> this is all static content so all that was needed was,
>
> assets
>    /info
>       web-loading.html
>
>     <div class="container">
> <img src="../img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif" width="128"
> height="128" alt="ajax_loader_big">
> </div>
>
> and then this
>
> command setWebURL
>    put path_Assets() & "info/web-loading.html" into tLocalPath
>    set the uirl of widget "body"  to tLocalPath
> end setWebURL
>
>
> "of course"
>
> @ HH, thanks for the base64 method? I can use that in other instances.
>
> @ All, this really doesn?t get me what I want though, because as soon as
> we set the URL of the browser widget to the intended remote web page, our
> local page is of course "disconnected" the loader image is gone and the
> user is *still* staring at a blank screen waiting.
>
> I must have been working too late and didn't see either of these to
> things, which, are of course obvious.  I'll start another thread on loading
> web pages/user notifications.
>
> On 1/6/18, 10:15 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Mike Bonner via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>     Then load the file as a url appearing like so..
>
>     "file:///path/to/your/html/file/myfile.html"
>
>     At this point the browser widget has a path location so any relative
>     addressing should work.
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan  7 23:16:03 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2018 21:16:03 -0700
Subject: Local Image Paths in HTML for Browser Widget Fails
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpSw=+fGSOinKHE8cOJixrK0QN+3u83wxuOJyPs-2=eNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA7A01C6-225C-4AA5-95A1-33D73601AABC@hindu.org>
	<CAG1cpSo9fduaXLMn1RC01cyKPrh-C2uuUFoUEFwWioMSVbVTMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A4B8D4B-A883-4F35-8725-DB5F14FEA8DB@hindu.org>
	<CAG1cpSpSw=+fGSOinKHE8cOJixrK0QN+3u83wxuOJyPs-2=eNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoyHuNN0-8bO96VBtS61dTxMsY5k9Mes=rxOvihmXwBcw@mail.gmail.com>

ok, nevermind, you can't overlay the browser widget I guess.  Is there a
way?

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> 2 possible options I can see.. either have a 2nd browser widget with that
> page in it, and enable/disable hide/show or just move it out of the
> screenrect..  Though it sounds like all you're doing is putting an animated
> gif that you want to show during page load.   Can't you just pop it into an
> image object, and then overlay it however you like on top of the browser
> widget. hide/show/enable/disable as needed?
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 7:25 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> @ Mike? thanks?
>>
>> duh! (as he slaps himself on the side of the head)  I was mixing up the
>> props
>>
>> the htmltext # with
>> the url
>>
>> this is all static content so all that was needed was,
>>
>> assets
>>    /info
>>       web-loading.html
>>
>>     <div class="container">
>> <img src="../img/global-icons/ajax_loader_big.gif" width="128"
>> height="128" alt="ajax_loader_big">
>> </div>
>>
>> and then this
>>
>> command setWebURL
>>    put path_Assets() & "info/web-loading.html" into tLocalPath
>>    set the uirl of widget "body"  to tLocalPath
>> end setWebURL
>>
>>
>> "of course"
>>
>> @ HH, thanks for the base64 method? I can use that in other instances.
>>
>> @ All, this really doesn?t get me what I want though, because as soon as
>> we set the URL of the browser widget to the intended remote web page, our
>> local page is of course "disconnected" the loader image is gone and the
>> user is *still* staring at a blank screen waiting.
>>
>> I must have been working too late and didn't see either of these to
>> things, which, are of course obvious.  I'll start another thread on loading
>> web pages/user notifications.
>>
>> On 1/6/18, 10:15 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Mike Bonner via
>> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>     Then load the file as a url appearing like so..
>>
>>     "file:///path/to/your/html/file/myfile.html"
>>
>>     At this point the browser widget has a path location so any relative
>>     addressing should work.
>>
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>
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From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jan  8 01:03:46 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 00:03:46 -0600
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <cacd29ac-0f8b-979b-2f94-af9f0eda6983@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7740F101-5817-4AE1-B4BA-98692A7DA74E@hyperhh.de>
	<CA+yhkRZxM6c0WvJ=BXe6NHs8ptojJyaEu7cBWus=Act0ao5q1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<cacd29ac-0f8b-979b-2f94-af9f0eda6983@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRY2zCmDgm5u-KZ8XZGf2GKNq6fOwEqnYPnPj+DcHGG4NA@mail.gmail.com>

I started a thread over on the forums with a stack that I'm working on:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30411

It will let you view 80 icons on a card and page though a whole set.  Icons
are imported to the stack directly from a folder of SVG files.

Hope someone finds it useful.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:59 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Very nice, thanks. It took me a bit to figure out the icomoon web app, but
> now I've got the whole feather set and your script works well.
>
>
> On 1/4/18 8:26 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Here's a bit of code to handle the feather set when converted by
>> icomoon.io
>> (which could have multiple path statements):
>>
>> on dragEnter
>>    local tFile, tSVG, tIndex, tLine
>>    set the dragAction to "copy"
>>    put line 1 of the dragdata["files"] into me
>>    put url ("file:" & me) into tFile
>>    set linedel to "<path d="
>>    set itemdel to quote
>>    put 0 into tIndex
>>    repeat for each line tLine in tFile
>>      add 1 to tIndex
>>      if tIndex is 1 then next repeat
>>      put item 2 of tLine after tSVG
>>    end repeat
>>    set the iconPath of widget 1 to tSVG
>> end dragEnter
>>
>> The feather set worked fine after adding the loop.  (Some, like the
>> calendar, were already a single path though).  As long as they are just a
>> sequence of path elements, I'm guessing this should work.
>>
>> If you want to see the actual SVG, just add another field and "put tFile
>> into field 2"
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 8:19 PM, hh via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> These SVGs are fine.
>>>
>>> 1. download the zip from github
>>> https://codeload.github.com/leungwensen/svg-icon/zip/master
>>> (29.7 MByte, unpacks to 61.4 MByte)
>>>
>>> 2. open one of the folders in dist/svg, e.g. dist/svg/flat
>>> 3. make a stack with one field and one svg widget:
>>>
>>> Script the field as follows
>>>
>>> on dragenter
>>>    set the dragaction to "copy"
>>>    put line 1 of the dragdata["files"] into me
>>>    put url("file:"& me) into s
>>>    set linedel to "<path d="
>>>    set itemdel to quote
>>>    put item 2 of line 2 of s into p
>>>    set the iconPath of widget 1 to p
>>> end dragenter
>>>
>>> 4. drag one of the file icons from the finder to the field.
>>>
>>> Works here, for all tested icons, using LC 8 and LC 9.
>>>
>>> @JLG: Wrote by a German, also for Americans.
>>> @BM: Thanks for the link to that wonderful repository.
>>>
>>>
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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Mon Jan  8 04:40:52 2018
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 02:40:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: iOS Profile Menu
In-Reply-To: <1279B2E8-976A-4564-8A4D-6120946B239D@mac.com>
References: <24594FE2-63EA-47C7-BFDE-19B69271E1A3@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRYKVyiZJWLRyz9sauT4mtDQkJc23MqFDwdDhXCKoPivag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOLFso+A7+f9oFuEr=0=JnYvAaW++KCZTWKDGKZPj9+ww@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C6DDCA3-745E-4F8A-AEC1-DCA51AB0D4F2@mac.com>
	<823BE260-4D02-4AE7-A9D9-B3636777AB94@mac.com>
	<CADCoycPRw02w9O0BkrGbKbPH1CNcqnTxc=L0eVBYDi=mJOge8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D93B6D-A594-4E92-8D16-75CBA570BEFE@mac.com>
	<CADCoycNEW3Lq--4vrzLzpaoX=1+gHtbXmkUhLFd+SRtvVXoOrw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1279B2E8-976A-4564-8A4D-6120946B239D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1515404452707-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Roger, I find it saves my sanity (and keeps things tidy) if I zap old
provisioning profiles before getting Xcode to install new ones - you should
find them on your system at the location below:

/Users/[userName]/Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles

Dave



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From hh at hyperhh.de  Mon Jan  8 05:37:22 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 11:37:22 +0100
Subject: Local Image Paths in HTML for Browser Widget Fails
Message-ID: <02194CDC-128B-409A-BEF6-DC95970CB8F2@hyperhh.de>

Yet another option.

For a *true* progress animation (no gif) use
https://github.com/HubSpot/pace
That's what I use with my HTML5 demo pages.

For example (with a selfmade LiveCode theme)
http://hh.on-rev.com/html5/SVG2PNG_HTML5-9.0.0-dp-4hhX.html
Instead you could use your own logo for rotating.




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jan  8 12:39:11 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 09:39:11 -0800
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <1515379436447-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
	<1515345197815-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DB385244-9C9E-432B-9310-ED05525D287C@major-k.de>
	<1515360616862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<160d2c82bf0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1515379436447-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <df727a95-9a3b-de81-2320-f3275c88a666@sonic.net>

Jacque-

Remember that Craig is still using aol.
Nuff said.

-- 
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  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Jan  8 13:51:03 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 11:51:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <df727a95-9a3b-de81-2320-f3275c88a666@sonic.net>
References: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
	<1515345197815-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DB385244-9C9E-432B-9310-ED05525D287C@major-k.de>
	<1515360616862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<160d2c82bf0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1515379436447-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<df727a95-9a3b-de81-2320-f3275c88a666@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <1515437463324-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

I do get a lot of eye rolling about that. Stuck in the past, you see.

Craig



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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jan  8 15:07:02 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 12:07:02 -0800
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <1515437463324-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
	<1515345197815-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DB385244-9C9E-432B-9310-ED05525D287C@major-k.de>
	<1515360616862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<160d2c82bf0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1515379436447-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<df727a95-9a3b-de81-2320-f3275c88a666@sonic.net>
	<1515437463324-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c9fcdb56-77a5-efb5-6471-6ed3003b1ca1@sonic.net>

On 01/08/2018 10:51 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode wrote:
> I do get a lot of eye rolling about that. Stuck in the past, you see.

Heh.

Yeah, but what I had in mind is that aol's email access doesn't handle 
things like threading, so their technology (or rather their not keeping 
up to date with it) puts you at a disadvantage in terms of viewing the 
message order natively without resorting to nabble or something similar.

And aol's not alone in this. I have a similar problem with my yahoo 
account, and gmail isn't much help either. Maybe even worse, since gmail 
insists on not respecting folders. Why I don't use gmail for listservs.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan  8 16:42:47 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 15:42:47 -0600
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <c9fcdb56-77a5-efb5-6471-6ed3003b1ca1@sonic.net>
References: <9965CC1F-EBB2-4F42-86EC-419B30C602A4@mindcrea.com>
	<1515345197815-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<DB385244-9C9E-432B-9310-ED05525D287C@major-k.de>
	<1515360616862-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<160d2c82bf0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1515379436447-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<df727a95-9a3b-de81-2320-f3275c88a666@sonic.net>
	<1515437463324-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<c9fcdb56-77a5-efb5-6471-6ed3003b1ca1@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <fecd4269-d628-5334-66f9-049f47215368@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/8/18 2:07 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> I have a similar problem with my yahoo account, and gmail isn't much 
> help either. Maybe even worse, since gmail insists on not respecting 
> folders.

I have gMail forward all incoming mail to my hyperactivesw address, 
where I read it on my Mac with a real email client. Best of both worlds. 
And Google doesn't store or read those emails so some privacy is retained.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mark at canelasoftware.com  Mon Jan  8 20:05:04 2018
From: mark at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2018 17:05:04 -0800
Subject: Notifying users of Web Delays in Browser Widget
In-Reply-To: <32EB7D6D-632F-4490-A65F-4284A191311F@hindu.org>
References: <32EB7D6D-632F-4490-A65F-4284A191311F@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4AF88114-2174-42DF-AE9E-D84BF8BCB61E@canelasoftware.com>

On Jan 7, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> OT: Throttling bandwidth on test devices seems to be a common requirement, if you are stuck with highspeed WIFI.. what to do?  A quick search, yes, lots of hits, but no  easy options? for either iOS or Android. Have you found one? For now I'm just switching to airplane mode, commenting out our "pingForConnection/Abort" handlers in test builds? but this is a nuisance?

Some routers can throttle the bandwidth. Also, the iOS Simulator should be able to provide varying connection scenarios for testing purposes. The desktop has options as well for adjusting bandwidth and increasing latency.

Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io <http://livecloud.io/>
nursenotes.net <http://nursenotes.net/>
canelasoftware.com <http://www.canelasoftware.com/>



From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 22:01:09 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 12:01:09 +0900
Subject: updating text of a mobile app (newbie)
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxkf98r+R1xZD9miKU3dJYePaWaJ=RinMUx+NWvTFYpNMg@mail.gmail.com>

A goal this year is to get an app (for foreign language learning) on the
Android and iOS stores. To this end, I have begun to re-study LC8's app
building course; LC itself I've been using for decades.

Let's say my original app gets approved. In that app is a datagrid object
list consisting of 10 vocabulary categories, the contents of  which are
read in from a text file in specialFolderPath("documents"). A few months
later, however, I discover more vocabulary categories are needed.

What do I do? Can I somehow "download" a new text file into
specialFolderPath("documents")? Do I have to completely update my app? Or
something else?

In the past what I've done for my desktop Windows standalones is to
download data from my webserver over the internet. But, I imagine mobile
apps must work differently.

Hand holding very much welcome!

--
Nicolas Cueto


From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jan  8 22:16:42 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 03:16:42 +0000
Subject: Local Image Paths in HTML for Browser Widget Fails
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoyHuNN0-8bO96VBtS61dTxMsY5k9Mes=rxOvihmXwBcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA7A01C6-225C-4AA5-95A1-33D73601AABC@hindu.org>
	<CAG1cpSo9fduaXLMn1RC01cyKPrh-C2uuUFoUEFwWioMSVbVTMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A4B8D4B-A883-4F35-8725-DB5F14FEA8DB@hindu.org>
	<CAG1cpSpSw=+fGSOinKHE8cOJixrK0QN+3u83wxuOJyPs-2=eNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoyHuNN0-8bO96VBtS61dTxMsY5k9Mes=rxOvihmXwBcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5B99949-CBC1-4896-AE7C-86FF39FA7E52@hindu.org>

Nope? no way. On mobile, there are major issues with certain mobile controls. e.g. scrolling group becomes a mobile scroller on a phone? this "lies on top of everything" and I believe the browser is also generating a mobile control instance as well. I don't understand it 100% (not even 10%) but my guess is the pixel map for the rect of the display, for some mobile controls, cannot accept input from another object, within those same bounds/coords.

Especially on Android "all hell breaks" loose on the screen. You would have to see some of the bizarre abstract art that suddenly appears on the screen, very wild "early cubist" stuff with squares-tiles of colors and blocks 


On 1/7/18, 6:16 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Mike Bonner via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    ok, nevermind, you can't overlay the browser widget I guess.  Is there a
    way?
    
    


From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jan  8 22:18:36 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 03:18:36 +0000
Subject: updating text of a mobile app (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxkf98r+R1xZD9miKU3dJYePaWaJ=RinMUx+NWvTFYpNMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxkf98r+R1xZD9miKU3dJYePaWaJ=RinMUx+NWvTFYpNMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaGNJbVzqBj2x6x3O_4kuVp=bAW8TPJGWSTimzNB6qOrA@mail.gmail.com>

That path should be safe to download new content. As long as you are just
downloading data, you are within mobile store rules.
On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 9:01 PM Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> A goal this year is to get an app (for foreign language learning) on the
> Android and iOS stores. To this end, I have begun to re-study LC8's app
> building course; LC itself I've been using for decades.
>
> Let's say my original app gets approved. In that app is a datagrid object
> list consisting of 10 vocabulary categories, the contents of  which are
> read in from a text file in specialFolderPath("documents"). A few months
> later, however, I discover more vocabulary categories are needed.
>
> What do I do? Can I somehow "download" a new text file into
> specialFolderPath("documents")? Do I have to completely update my app? Or
> something else?
>
> In the past what I've done for my desktop Windows standalones is to
> download data from my webserver over the internet. But, I imagine mobile
> apps must work differently.
>
> Hand holding very much welcome!
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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From mark at livecode.com  Tue Jan  9 04:44:13 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 10:44:13 +0100
Subject: Free SVG icons
In-Reply-To: <fd6b1b1a80bdebbdb3d532b2872c7faa@livecode.com>
References: <27581171-5D5B-4D8A-A3AA-068EB168B025@hyperhh.de>
	<fd6b1b1a80bdebbdb3d532b2872c7faa@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <1bf9a99a3dbda58ef83f225a218a1ba3@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-03 16:16, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>> Please post whenever you find or write such a general 
>> "flatten-to-path".
> 
> Assuming that 'flatten-to-path' means:
> 
> "Produce a compound path which, when filled, produces the same result
> as filling and/or stroking a sequence of paths and/or shapes."
> 
> Then, in full generality, this is really quite complex - particularly
> if you want to preserve curves (which is important if you want your
> resulting path to scale arbitrarily).
> 
> There are two pieces:
> 
>   1) A 'thicken' operation which takes a path and stroke properties as
> input and produces a path which can be filled to produce the stroke.
> (i.e. the 'inside' of the path is the same as the 'inside' of the
> stroke of the original path).
> 
>   2) A 'union' operation which takes two arbitrary paths and produces
> a single path which, when filled, produces the same result as filling
> the first path, and then filling and compositing the second path on
> top of it. (i.e. the 'inside' of the path is the same as the union of
> the 'insides' of the two input paths).

For what its worth, I found that Skia (in principal) has boolean path 
operation support (i.e. the critical union operation!) - 
https://skia.org/dev/present/pathops.

As we also need something along these lines to support the general 
'clipPath' element in SVG, I had a go at implementing a simple shape 
abstraction.

A shape is basically an expressing where the factors are 
paths/ellipses/rectangles/polygons etc. and the operations are:
   - transform
   - fill (turn the shape into non-intersecting regions relative to a 
fill rule)
   - dash
   - thicken (apply stroke attributes to create the thickened lines which 
are filled to form a stroke)
   - union / intersect / difference / xor

So you can do things like:

   union(fill(thicken(... circle ...), fill(thicken(... square ...))

It seemed to work fine on simple unions/intersections of thickened 
squares circles - as long as there was no collinearity / difficult 
intersections. However, when I tried some of the simple feature icons - 
it did not work so well :(

Basically, the version of the path-ops we have in the version of Skia we 
use seem to suffer from some rather unfortunate collinearity / numerical 
issues - of course, updating Skia *might* fix the problem, however it 
seems that quite a bit has changed since we last updated Skia so that is 
not a 'drop-in replacement' type of thing *sigh*.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. One thing I do need to try is 'fuzzing' the shapes before applying 
the boolean ops - i.e. adding a tiny random delta, small enough that you 
won't notice when rendered, but large enough that it turns any difficult 
intersections into easier ones.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Jan  9 09:06:07 2018
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 07:06:07 -0700
Subject: Custom Combo Box
Message-ID: <B7B533D9-F3A6-4FA8-AACD-FAB089345ECA@mac.com>

Does anyone have the Custom Combo Box sample stack that was created by Jerry Daniels?  It was cited in an old revUp article (Issue 87, March 4, 2010).  I thought I had downloaded it from Jerry when he wrote the article but I could not find it. 

Thanks for your time!

Sent from my iPad


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 09:47:21 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:47:21 +0200
Subject: Custom Combo Box
In-Reply-To: <B7B533D9-F3A6-4FA8-AACD-FAB089345ECA@mac.com>
References: <B7B533D9-F3A6-4FA8-AACD-FAB089345ECA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4776376b-976c-5aa7-2924-b2925bb057f6@gmail.com>

https://web.archive.org/web/20100307235836/http://revmentor.com/tag/combobox

Richmond.

On 9/1/2018 4:06 pm, Charles Szasz via use-livecode wrote:
> Does anyone have the Custom Combo Box sample stack that was created by Jerry Daniels?  It was cited in an old revUp article (Issue 87, March 4, 2010).  I thought I had downloaded it from Jerry when he wrote the article but I could not find it.
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From cszasz at mac.com  Tue Jan  9 10:05:48 2018
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:05:48 -0700
Subject: Custom Combo Box
Message-ID: <4BD7DFBE-39CB-482C-8D04-6DED8D0F07D3@mac.com>

Thanks Richmond!

Sent from my iPad



From paul at smarttsoftware.co.uk  Tue Jan  9 11:46:06 2018
From: paul at smarttsoftware.co.uk (Paul Richards)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 16:46:06 +0000
Subject: Error while saving standalone 8 & 9 
Message-ID: <DB6PR0701MB2807A3F3CB177768A361E857E2100@DB6PR0701MB2807.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Trying to save as standalone using LC 9.0 DP11, using a stack that had been perfectly fine throughout the 8 series.  Attempting to deploy to Android only (although similar errors appear trying to deploy to Windows only)

There was an error while saving the standalone application
91,2026,23
77,2026,23
456,2026,23
572,2026,23
241,2026,1,__LoadStackOnStartup
353,0,0,stack "c:/program files (x86)/Runrev/Livecode Indy 9.0 (dp11)/Toolset/libraries/revsblibrary.livecodescript"
573,2210,1,__LoadStackOnStartup
253,2110,1
490,2110,1
241,2104,1 revSbUpdateDeployParams
353,0,0,stack "c:/program files (x86)/Runrev/Livecode Indy 9.0 (dp11)/Toolset/libraries/revsblibrary.livecodescript"
573,806,1,revSBUpdateDeployParams

I have removed All Widgets that were installed in 8, so the only Widgets showing are the stock installed Livecode ones.  Out of desperation, I deleted ALL existing cards form the stack so that there was just 1 new blank card (in case a card was holding onto a widget) but I still get the same error.  (new stacks are all OK )

If I take the original stack and open in LC 8.x  and try to save as Standalone, I get an error saying "could not open module file" ?!

I have also tried to add the new Map Widget and save as Android, but I get yet another error; "Could not build R.Java"

I appear to be well and truly stuck now, so any help in troubleshooting this would be very much appreciated.




From richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan  9 13:09:51 2018
From: richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net (Richard Burkett)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 10:09:51 -0800
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
Message-ID: <BF402ECC-C11D-4526-82C2-B5267520D414@sbcglobal.net>

Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns. 

If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a way to filter/remove that?

Richard Burkett
richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net





From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Tue Jan  9 13:42:13 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 18:42:13 +0000
Subject: updating text of a mobile app (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1515495605.9375.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20180109184213.Horde.2aQFjDn_5aRC14wffKt0f_W@ua850258.serversignin.com>

> A goal this year is to get an app (for foreign language learning) on the
> Android and iOS stores. To this end, I have begun to re-study LC8's app
> building course; LC itself I've been using for decades.
>
> Let's say my original app gets approved. In that app is a datagrid object
> list consisting of 10 vocabulary categories, the contents of  which are
> read in from a text file in specialFolderPath("documents"). A few months
> later, however, I discover more vocabulary categories are needed.
>
> What do I do? Can I somehow "download" a new text file into
> specialFolderPath("documents")? Do I have to completely update my app? Or
> something else?
>
> In the past what I've done for my desktop Windows standalones is to
> download data from my webserver over the internet. But, I imagine mobile
> apps must work differently.
>
> Hand holding very much welcome!
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto


This is VERY doable. I have a mobile app that "phones home" on every  
launch to see if there is new data. The app goes and fetches a text  
file from my server that has an integer value of the last time the  
data was updated (the seconds) and if that value is greater than the  
value saved in a local preferences file on the device the app knows it  
needs to run a soft update. A quick revQueryDatabase returns an array  
of data that then gets used as the dgData.

I'm by no means an expert, but have a couple mobile apps created in  
LiveCode doing something like this and would be happy to talk you  
through the hoops and share some best practices I've discovered along  
the way. Feel free to message me off list.

--Andrew Bell




From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Tue Jan  9 13:49:54 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 18:49:54 +0000
Subject: LiveCode University bug
Message-ID: <20180109184954.Horde.CQCX_bBBjIk_4SKMlRvHRPi@ua850258.serversignin.com>

I'm getting ready to start a new semester teaching LiveCode using  
LiveCode University. Each time I run this class, I notice some  
discrepancies between LCU and whatever the current version of LC is.  
Devin Asay is listed as the author, but this was purchased through  
RunRev. I started to file a bug report at quality.livecode.com and  
realized that probably isn't the right channel.

Who should bugs be reported to for LiveCode University?

--Andrew Bell




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Jan  9 14:09:39 2018
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 19:09:39 +0000
Subject: LiveCode University bug
In-Reply-To: <20180109184954.Horde.CQCX_bBBjIk_4SKMlRvHRPi@ua850258.serversignin.com>
References: <20180109184954.Horde.CQCX_bBBjIk_4SKMlRvHRPi@ua850258.serversignin.com>
Message-ID: <192B86D9-5426-42D6-9541-91FE8839B7B7@byu.edu>

Andrew,

It?s best just to send them to me; avoids the middleman. :)

I?m in the final stages of creating an updated version that uses much more up-to-date content. Perhaps I can send you a ?DP? status copy and have you take a look at it. I think it?s in pretty good shape except for a final, nagging content update bug that I expect to swat this week.

Regards,

Devin


On Jan 9, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

I'm getting ready to start a new semester teaching LiveCode using LiveCode University. Each time I run this class, I notice some discrepancies between LCU and whatever the current version of LC is. Devin Asay is listed as the author, but this was purchased through RunRev. I started to file a bug report at quality.livecode.com<http://quality.livecode.com> and realized that probably isn't the right channel.

Who should bugs be reported to for LiveCode University?

--Andrew Bell


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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jan  9 14:28:35 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 20:28:35 +0100
Subject: LiveCode University bug
In-Reply-To: <192B86D9-5426-42D6-9541-91FE8839B7B7@byu.edu>
References: <20180109184954.Horde.CQCX_bBBjIk_4SKMlRvHRPi@ua850258.serversignin.com>
	<192B86D9-5426-42D6-9541-91FE8839B7B7@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <80A38E33-D0B2-4378-A0A0-A9B0B0167C3E@m-r-d.de>

Devin,

i am not Andrew, but i would be very happy to test the ?DP" status copy. ;)

Regards,
Matthias

Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?

> Am 09.01.2018 um 20:09 schrieb Devin Asay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Andrew,
> 
> It?s best just to send them to me; avoids the middleman. :)
> 
> I?m in the final stages of creating an updated version that uses much more up-to-date content. Perhaps I can send you a ?DP? status copy and have you take a look at it. I think it?s in pretty good shape except for a final, nagging content update bug that I expect to swat this week.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Devin
> 
> 
> On Jan 9, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com><mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
> 
> I'm getting ready to start a new semester teaching LiveCode using LiveCode University. Each time I run this class, I notice some discrepancies between LCU and whatever the current version of LC is. Devin Asay is listed as the author, but this was purchased through RunRev. I started to file a bug report at quality.livecode.com <http://quality.livecode.com/><http://quality.livecode.com <http://quality.livecode.com/>> and realized that probably isn't the right channel.
> 
> Who should bugs be reported to for LiveCode University?
> 
> --Andrew Bell
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan  9 14:47:34 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 13:47:34 -0600
Subject: Error while saving standalone 8 & 9
In-Reply-To: <DB6PR0701MB2807A3F3CB177768A361E857E2100@DB6PR0701MB2807.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DB6PR0701MB2807A3F3CB177768A361E857E2100@DB6PR0701MB2807.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <b35f54c1-6dcf-34a9-4117-7e1cf45bb25f@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/9/18 10:46 AM, Paul Richards via use-livecode wrote:
> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> 91,2026,23
> 77,2026,23
> 456,2026,23
> 572,2026,23
> 241,2026,1,__LoadStackOnStartup
> 353,0,0,stack "c:/program files (x86)/Runrev/Livecode Indy 9.0 (dp11)/Toolset/libraries/revsblibrary.livecodescript"
> 573,2210,1,__LoadStackOnStartup
> 253,2110,1
> 490,2110,1
> 241,2104,1 revSbUpdateDeployParams
> 353,0,0,stack "c:/program files (x86)/Runrev/Livecode Indy 9.0 (dp11)/Toolset/libraries/revsblibrary.livecodescript"
> 573,806,1,revSBUpdateDeployParams

The first line indicates a low-memory condition. The next few lines show 
at least one script error and a missing object. This is all in the 
standalone builder script, so a bug report is in order.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan  9 14:55:28 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 13:55:28 -0600
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <BF402ECC-C11D-4526-82C2-B5267520D414@sbcglobal.net>
References: <BF402ECC-C11D-4526-82C2-B5267520D414@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <86b0cd64-a494-e1ed-58c8-c7ed814df3a2@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/9/18 12:09 PM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode wrote:
> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
> 
> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a way to filter/remove that?

I don't have a good way to test this, but try:

set the clipboardData to textEncode(the clipboardData,"native")


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan  9 15:02:15 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 14:02:15 -0600
Subject: Local Image Paths in HTML for Browser Widget Fails
In-Reply-To: <D5B99949-CBC1-4896-AE7C-86FF39FA7E52@hindu.org>
References: <CA7A01C6-225C-4AA5-95A1-33D73601AABC@hindu.org>
	<CAG1cpSo9fduaXLMn1RC01cyKPrh-C2uuUFoUEFwWioMSVbVTMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A4B8D4B-A883-4F35-8725-DB5F14FEA8DB@hindu.org>
	<CAG1cpSpSw=+fGSOinKHE8cOJixrK0QN+3u83wxuOJyPs-2=eNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoyHuNN0-8bO96VBtS61dTxMsY5k9Mes=rxOvihmXwBcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D5B99949-CBC1-4896-AE7C-86FF39FA7E52@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <b009f1ca-f3cc-6cd0-dbb8-736cccda2a75@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/8/18 9:16 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Nope? no way. On mobile, there are major issues with certain mobile controls. 

You might be able to use the native "busy" indicator on mobile, which 
doesn't interact with the stack content:

mobileBusyIndicatorStart
mobileBusyIndicatorStop

(There's a handler in the mobileControls library in SivaSiva that 
handles this for both desktop and mobile, actually.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 15:40:43 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:40:43 -0500
Subject: Custom properties of IDE palettes?
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrL1OTByuJFuPROLiMSA9GeCMAN9a0JaqpDbQA=Doxbjw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm exploring the LC 8 IDE. If I type in the message box:

put the customkeys of the mouseStack

and put the pointer over the message box, I press return and see a list of
custom properties:

cREVIntelligenceObject
cREVLeft
cREVTopLeft
etc....

But if I put the pointer over the Tools palette or the Properties palette,
I get nothing. It's not a mouseStack issue; I can put the name of the
mouseStack and get "revPropertyInspector 1". And this doesn't work either:

lock messages;put the customkeys of stack "revPropertyInspector 1"

Any ideas?


From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Tue Jan  9 18:07:46 2018
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2018 23:07:46 +0000
Subject: Custom properties of IDE palettes?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrL1OTByuJFuPROLiMSA9GeCMAN9a0JaqpDbQA=Doxbjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtrL1OTByuJFuPROLiMSA9GeCMAN9a0JaqpDbQA=Doxbjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1jCz5Oe48OVVHP-tY1sfvdQRzzVaGxWMHMS8-bpar3JFw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think they have any custom properties... at least, if they do then
they don't do anything. They are script-only stacks & behaviors that
generate the UI; they don't use custom props for their functionality.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 8:40 PM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm exploring the LC 8 IDE. If I type in the message box:
>
> put the customkeys of the mouseStack
>
> and put the pointer over the message box, I press return and see a list of
> custom properties:
>
> cREVIntelligenceObject
> cREVLeft
> cREVTopLeft
> etc....
>
> But if I put the pointer over the Tools palette or the Properties palette,
> I get nothing. It's not a mouseStack issue; I can put the name of the
> mouseStack and get "revPropertyInspector 1". And this doesn't work either:
>
> lock messages;put the customkeys of stack "revPropertyInspector 1"
>
> Any ideas?
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 20:20:14 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 20:20:14 -0500
Subject: Custom properties of IDE palettes?
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1jCz5Oe48OVVHP-tY1sfvdQRzzVaGxWMHMS8-bpar3JFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtrL1OTByuJFuPROLiMSA9GeCMAN9a0JaqpDbQA=Doxbjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jCz5Oe48OVVHP-tY1sfvdQRzzVaGxWMHMS8-bpar3JFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtobMjDtX4PwNjBBgaNqHStk-46Ew1QXQgaHpWBx=qt1kg@mail.gmail.com>

But they do. Specifically, stack "revPropertyInspector 1" is not a
script-only stack. It has many objects, and it does have custom properties.
For example, this locks the inspector to its current object:

set the cLocked of stack "revPropertyInspector 1" to true



On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I don't think they have any custom properties... at least, if they do then
> they don't do anything. They are script-only stacks & behaviors that
> generate the UI; they don't use custom props for their functionality.
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 8:40 PM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm exploring the LC 8 IDE. If I type in the message box:
> >
> > put the customkeys of the mouseStack
> >
> > and put the pointer over the message box, I press return and see a list
> of
> > custom properties:
> >
> > cREVIntelligenceObject
> > cREVLeft
> > cREVTopLeft
> > etc....
> >
> > But if I put the pointer over the Tools palette or the Properties
> palette,
> > I get nothing. It's not a mouseStack issue; I can put the name of the
> > mouseStack and get "revPropertyInspector 1". And this doesn't work
> either:
> >
> > lock messages;put the customkeys of stack "revPropertyInspector 1"
> >
> > Any ideas?
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 20:22:00 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 20:22:00 -0500
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpO3CTTwnOsi3=sPMq0WibxGcofBuPy+ohUjYQPdw4YZw@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way, given a widget, to find out programmatically what the
relevant properties of the widget are?


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 21:49:10 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:49:10 -0500
Subject: Custom properties of IDE palettes?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtobMjDtX4PwNjBBgaNqHStk-46Ew1QXQgaHpWBx=qt1kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtrL1OTByuJFuPROLiMSA9GeCMAN9a0JaqpDbQA=Doxbjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jCz5Oe48OVVHP-tY1sfvdQRzzVaGxWMHMS8-bpar3JFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtobMjDtX4PwNjBBgaNqHStk-46Ew1QXQgaHpWBx=qt1kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpZJcOBs6iO=jRrFNoXzLuLhBUgaGwAwAGX+oJjvPLYhg@mail.gmail.com>

(I should add that I am using 8.1.8, the community edition, on Mac)

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 8:20 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> But they do. Specifically, stack "revPropertyInspector 1" is not a
> script-only stack. It has many objects, and it does have custom properties.
> For example, this locks the inspector to its current object:
>
> set the cLocked of stack "revPropertyInspector 1" to true
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't think they have any custom properties... at least, if they do then
>> they don't do anything. They are script-only stacks & behaviors that
>> generate the UI; they don't use custom props for their functionality.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 8:40 PM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm exploring the LC 8 IDE. If I type in the message box:
>> >
>> > put the customkeys of the mouseStack
>> >
>> > and put the pointer over the message box, I press return and see a list
>> of
>> > custom properties:
>> >
>> > cREVIntelligenceObject
>> > cREVLeft
>> > cREVTopLeft
>> > etc....
>> >
>> > But if I put the pointer over the Tools palette or the Properties
>> palette,
>> > I get nothing. It's not a mouseStack issue; I can put the name of the
>> > mouseStack and get "revPropertyInspector 1". And this doesn't work
>> either:
>> >
>> > lock messages;put the customkeys of stack "revPropertyInspector 1"
>> >
>> > Any ideas?
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> > subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>


From hh at hyperhh.de  Tue Jan  9 23:25:55 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:25:55 +0100
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
Message-ID: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>

> G.C. wrote:
> Is there a way, given a widget, to find out programmatically what the
> relevant properties of the widget are?

Only the documented ones.
Even the property inspector shows only the "user_visible" ones.
The only possibility I can see is to scan the lcb file (if it is available).

So, if somebody doesn't document the properties and the widget is not "open source" then you get nothing, whether programatically or not.





From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jan  9 23:36:06 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 20:36:06 -0800
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>

On 01/09/2018 08:25 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote:
>> G.C. wrote:
>> Is there a way, given a widget, to find out programmatically what the
>> relevant properties of the widget are?
> 
> Only the documented ones.
> Even the property inspector shows only the "user_visible" ones.
> The only possibility I can see is to scan the lcb file (if it is available).
> 
> So, if somebody doesn't document the properties and the widget is not "open source" then you get nothing, whether programatically or not.

Might be easier to examine the manifest.xml file for the properties.
At least via a script.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From paul at livecode.org  Wed Jan 10 00:41:51 2018
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 21:41:51 -0800
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <86b0cd64-a494-e1ed-58c8-c7ed814df3a2@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BF402ECC-C11D-4526-82C2-B5267520D414@sbcglobal.net>
	<86b0cd64-a494-e1ed-58c8-c7ed814df3a2@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <715D4E62-8350-4B3C-A3EB-BEB662D068C2@livecode.org>

I use a small utility called PopClip, I wouldn?t be without it (although it does have some issues with LC on occasions), but it does allow you to choose to paste plain text if you wish along with lots of other useful copy/paste options. Saves me from some frustration.

It?s available on the App store. More info from pilotmoon.com if that helps.

Paul

> On Jan 9, 2018, at 11:55 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 1/9/18 12:09 PM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode wrote:
>> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
>> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a way to filter/remove that?
> 
> I don't have a good way to test this, but try:
> 
> set the clipboardData to textEncode(the clipboardData,"native")
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 00:45:42 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 00:45:42 -0500
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>

Do the built-in widgets come with manifests?

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 11:36 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> Might be easier to examine the manifest.xml file for the properties.
> At least via a script.


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jan 10 02:52:29 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 23:52:29 -0800
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>

On 01/09/2018 09:45 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> Do the built-in widgets come with manifests?

Yes. Even the built-in widgets. At least for now, until we get 
commercial locked widgets.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan 10 03:56:25 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 09:56:25 +0100
Subject: Custom properties of IDE =?UTF-8?Q?palettes=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtobMjDtX4PwNjBBgaNqHStk-46Ew1QXQgaHpWBx=qt1kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtrL1OTByuJFuPROLiMSA9GeCMAN9a0JaqpDbQA=Doxbjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jCz5Oe48OVVHP-tY1sfvdQRzzVaGxWMHMS8-bpar3JFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtobMjDtX4PwNjBBgaNqHStk-46Ew1QXQgaHpWBx=qt1kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49ce238f129ac71a8132d121a50ec933@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-10 02:20, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> But they do. Specifically, stack "revPropertyInspector 1" is not a
> script-only stack. It has many objects, and it does have custom 
> properties.
> For example, this locks the inspector to its current object:
> 
> set the cLocked of stack "revPropertyInspector 1" to true

The 'cLocked' is a getProp/setProp (virtual) custom property, which is 
why it doesn't appear in the customKeys.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan 10 03:57:05 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 09:57:05 +0100
Subject: Do widgets support =?UTF-8?Q?introspection=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-10 08:52, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 01/09/2018 09:45 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>> Do the built-in widgets come with manifests?
> 
> Yes. Even the built-in widgets. At least for now, until we get
> commercial locked widgets.

Why would 'commercial locked widgets' not have a manifest? (Or some 
other means to describe their public interface...)

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From christer at mindcrea.com  Wed Jan 10 03:59:21 2018
From: christer at mindcrea.com (=?utf-8?Q?Pyyhti=C3=A4_Christer?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:59:21 +0200
Subject: Object layers
Message-ID: <3AC58325-252C-43E7-8946-953CCBACA7F5@mindcrea.com>

Just to respond.

Thank you for the advices - very helpful.  However, experiences with the early versions (say V5-V7) made me avoid the grouping functionality.  Maybe because I could not manage the concept too well.  So I have given it up and manage it (as do with scaling etc) with additional coding - with variable success, though.

There were two surprises in this discussion thread.  First, I did not get any response form the list on answers to my mail.  It would be helpful to get the response as an e-mai to the originator to speed up receiving the information.  How would it become possible?

Second, there is a lot of really *unnecessary* blaah-blaah yadda-yadda mails nothing to do with the subject as a part of the thread (and many other threads as well; if you want to make it efficient, also please leave the pages-long, repeatedly appearing "when someone created the world" kind of poems).  If you do not have anything meaningful to add into the use of LiveCode, please, please get off the list, go to your Facebook.  I'd ask the LiveCode folks to put some discipline into this.

thx
Christer Pyyhti?
MindCrea Ltd
christer at mindcrea.com




From heather at livecode.com  Wed Jan 10 04:38:48 2018
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 09:38:48 +0000
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <3AC58325-252C-43E7-8946-953CCBACA7F5@mindcrea.com>
References: <3AC58325-252C-43E7-8946-953CCBACA7F5@mindcrea.com>
Message-ID: <89757A61-DC38-436D-8390-38A1E028F84D@livecode.com>

Hello Christer.

This list is a community. It is friendly, helpful, and there is a certain amount of chat. When that chat becomes excessive, I do ask members to curtail it, however nothing in this thread in any way contravenes the spirit of this list. You were offered some helpful advice. Another list member asked for assistance in reading the emails and received it. I continue to be amazed and thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness and friendliness in this community, freely given.

This list runs on mailman. Its pretty old software, but many people here prefer it to moving to the forums and reading mail there. As long as mailman continues to function, I imagine the list will continue to be here. It has limitations. Threading doesn't always work well (depending on email client). We are not responsible for third party archives such as nabble or how they behave. Replies to your email may become attached to different threads if the subject is changed or the responder uses a different client/mail sorting method. I'm not sure if you were expecting direct replies to your personal mail? This isn't typically how it works, if you post to the list responses will go to the list, and be available to help other users at a later date.

As always, politics, religion and cheese remain off limits. Please avoid quoting the entire thread when replying to a topic, just retain enough to make sense. Friendly advice on relevant topics is always welcome - and a little bit of chit chat oils the wheels and makes it all more human.

Best Regards to all,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 10 Jan 2018, at 08:59, Pyyhti? Christer via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Just to respond.
> 
> Thank you for the advices - very helpful.  However, experiences with the early versions (say V5-V7) made me avoid the grouping functionality.  Maybe because I could not manage the concept too well.  So I have given it up and manage it (as do with scaling etc) with additional coding - with variable success, though.
> 
> There were two surprises in this discussion thread.  First, I did not get any response form the list on answers to my mail.  It would be helpful to get the response as an e-mai to the originator to speed up receiving the information.  How would it become possible?
> 
> Second, there is a lot of really *unnecessary* blaah-blaah yadda-yadda mails nothing to do with the subject as a part of the thread (and many other threads as well; if you want to make it efficient, also please leave the pages-long, repeatedly appearing "when someone created the world" kind of poems).  If you do not have anything meaningful to add into the use of LiveCode, please, please get off the list, go to your Facebook.  I'd ask the LiveCode folks to put some discipline into this.
> 
> thx
> Christer Pyyhti?
> MindCrea Ltd
> christer at mindcrea.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From dvglasgow at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 04:43:23 2018
From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 09:43:23 +0000
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <89757A61-DC38-436D-8390-38A1E028F84D@livecode.com>
References: <3AC58325-252C-43E7-8946-953CCBACA7F5@mindcrea.com>
	<89757A61-DC38-436D-8390-38A1E028F84D@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <C8490C57-BFED-4A7D-AA62-68DA522D9509@gmail.com>


> . I continue to be amazed and thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness and friendliness in this community, freely given.
> 

Me too.  Nicely put.

David Glasgow




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 05:01:48 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 03:01:48 -0700
Subject: OT: system recommendation
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the off topic question, but this is my most trusted place for
tech knowledge.  Appreciate any tips and advice (for a friend).

My friend is looking to buy or build a pc to do 4k video editing.  I know
the obvious part.. If you can afford more memory, add more memory.

After that, I'm lost.  intel vs amd?  For video, amd or nvidia or something
else?  Is there a synergy between choice of motherboard/cpu make/video
choice?  As for hard drive setup, i'm thinking a 500g ssd boot device and a
single 7200rpm 3tb or greater drive (drive space is CHEAP!)

I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.  I
know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?

Is it acceptable to do the processing on a non 4k monitor?

Unfortunately, cost IS a factor.  I know it boils down to how much cash one
wants to throw at it, but i'm looking for best bang for the buck, 1500 or
less.  (things could be bumped up later by adding mem, better monitor to
view output.

Oh, also, this will not be online editing (Which I assume to mean "live")
and will be video from a gopro so the bitrate won't be as intensive as say
a RED quality camera.

Thanks for any and all suggestions, and helping me provide better
recommendations to my friend.


From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Jan 10 05:04:51 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:04:51 +0000
Subject: Object layers
In-Reply-To: <C8490C57-BFED-4A7D-AA62-68DA522D9509@gmail.com>
References: <3AC58325-252C-43E7-8946-953CCBACA7F5@mindcrea.com>
	<89757A61-DC38-436D-8390-38A1E028F84D@livecode.com>
	<C8490C57-BFED-4A7D-AA62-68DA522D9509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5493F08-E574-4D4E-B9B0-8CD668F385B4@mac.com>

And again. I really could not count the number of times over the years that the good people of this list have dug me out of a LiveCode hole, usually (but not always) of my own making. I literally could not use LiveCode now without knowing the list is there as the first-aid line. One cannot always be asking the mother ship to resolve one?s confusions.
 
Graham

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 09:43, David V Glasgow via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> . I continue to be amazed and thankful for the warm spirit of helpfulness and friendliness in this community, freely given.
>> 
> 
> Me too.  Nicely put.
> 
> David Glasgow
> 



From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 05:30:02 2018
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:30:02 +0100
Subject: How does 'Apple VPP Education' discount work?
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn418y8vUdeakAtotCdVa6Y7xd+EqtEMrTX=S1n8NdJYfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I was asked if i could add my apps to Apple's VPP education program.
I see I have two choices:
1. Available with a volume discount for educational institutions
2. Available with no discount

On this page it says you can enable 50% discount:
https://developer.apple.com/programs/volume/education/

Can anyone explain to me how this discounts works?



greetings,

William


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 05:54:59 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:54:59 +0200
Subject: Externally reffed-off
Message-ID: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>

I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images 
which are stored
in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my 
stack opens it
works its way through the script:

onpreOpenStack
     setitemDelto"/"
     setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
     gotocard "TITLE"
endpreOpenStack

nothing particularly odd there.

each image has "rez/imagename.png"
  set as its source.

AND everything works in the stack.

So would be extremely grateful why, when a Mac standalone is placed in 
exactly
the same relation to the "rez" folder it does not "pick up" the images.

Richmond.



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 06:05:39 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 04:05:39 -0700
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>

Its because of this...

*Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are stored
as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is actually a
folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is inside this folder.
The filename of stack property reports the location of the application
inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For example, if the bundle's file
path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the filename of the application's main
stack might be "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
> which are stored
> in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
> stack opens it
> works its way through the script:
>
> onpreOpenStack
>     setitemDelto"/"
>     setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
>     gotocard "TITLE"
> endpreOpenStack
>
> nothing particularly odd there.
>
> each image has "rez/imagename.png"
>  set as its source.
>
> AND everything works in the stack.
>
> So would be extremely grateful why, when a Mac standalone is placed in
> exactly
> the same relation to the "rez" folder it does not "pick up" the images.
>
> Richmond.
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 06:17:02 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 04:17:02 -0700
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>

Change it to..
set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
stack

and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
straightforward)

You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
development you use the first method, else you use the second.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Its because of this...
>
> *Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are
> stored as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is
> actually a folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is
> inside this folder. The filename of stack property reports the location
> of the application inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For
> example, if the bundle's file path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the
> filename of the application's main stack might be
> "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
>> which are stored
>> in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
>> stack opens it
>> works its way through the script:
>>
>> onpreOpenStack
>>     setitemDelto"/"
>>     setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
>>     gotocard "TITLE"
>> endpreOpenStack
>>
>> nothing particularly odd there.
>>
>> each image has "rez/imagename.png"
>>  set as its source.
>>
>> AND everything works in the stack.
>>
>> So would be extremely grateful why, when a Mac standalone is placed in
>> exactly
>> the same relation to the "rez" folder it does not "pick up" the images.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>


From paul at smarttsoftware.co.uk  Wed Jan 10 06:29:12 2018
From: paul at smarttsoftware.co.uk (Paul Richards)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:29:12 +0000
Subject: Error while saving standalone 8 & 9
In-Reply-To: <b35f54c1-6dcf-34a9-4117-7e1cf45bb25f@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <DB6PR0701MB2807A3F3CB177768A361E857E2100@DB6PR0701MB2807.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<b35f54c1-6dcf-34a9-4117-7e1cf45bb25f@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DB6PR0701MB2807A1A1E9C441BE8956E830E2110@DB6PR0701MB2807.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Thank you so much for the pointer Jacqueline, the good news is that I have traced the issue.

The error message isn't really that helpful as it does in fact relate to a Widget.  The original widget "object" was still attached to a card, so although every widget had been removed using the Extension Manager, it still left traces.  Having removed the object from the card, the App now saves as a standalone.  Phew!



-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Sent: 09 January 2018 19:48
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
Subject: Re: Error while saving standalone 8 & 9

On 1/9/18 10:46 AM, Paul Richards via use-livecode wrote:
> There was an error while saving the standalone application
> 91,2026,23
> 77,2026,23
> 456,2026,23
> 572,2026,23
> 241,2026,1,__LoadStackOnStartup
> 353,0,0,stack "c:/program files (x86)/Runrev/Livecode Indy 9.0 (dp11)/Toolset/libraries/revsblibrary.livecodescript"
> 573,2210,1,__LoadStackOnStartup
> 253,2110,1
> 490,2110,1
> 241,2104,1 revSbUpdateDeployParams
> 353,0,0,stack "c:/program files (x86)/Runrev/Livecode Indy 9.0 (dp11)/Toolset/libraries/revsblibrary.livecodescript"
> 573,806,1,revSBUpdateDeployParams

The first line indicates a low-memory condition. The next few lines show at least one script error and a missing object. This is all in the standalone builder script, so a bug report is in order.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 10 06:32:42 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:32:42 +0100
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>



> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Change it to..
> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
> stack
> 
> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
> straightforward)
> 
> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
> development you use the first method, else you use the second.

Know your Livecode! :-)
...
set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
...

This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in 
the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!

> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Its because of this...
>> 
>> *Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are
>> stored as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is
>> actually a folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is
>> inside this folder. The filename of stack property reports the location
>> of the application inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For
>> example, if the bundle's file path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the
>> filename of the application's main stack might be
>> "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
>>> which are stored
>>> in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
>>> stack opens it
>>> works its way through the script:
>>> 
>>> onpreOpenStack
>>>    setitemDelto"/"
>>>    setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
>>>    gotocard "TITLE"
>>> endpreOpenStack

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From preid at reidit.co.uk  Wed Jan 10 06:44:38 2018
From: preid at reidit.co.uk (Peter Reid)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:44:38 +0000
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11772.1515577131.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.11772.1515577131.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DAE5302F-3779-4469-9A20-94CD8B11E893@reidit.co.uk>

Hi Richard

I found this problem was particularly annoying, especially when trying to extract info from vCards exported from Contacts on the Mac, so I developed a tiny app in LC called vCard Clipper.

I've put together a web page about this app together with download links to a Mac App and the source code.  Here's the link to this web page, help yourself:

https://www.reid-it.co.uk/downloads/downvcclip.htm <https://www.reid-it.co.uk/downloads/downvcclip.htm>

Peter
--
Peter Reid
Loughborough, UK

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 9:38am, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 10:09:51 -0800
> From: Richard Burkett <richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net <mailto:richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net>>
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
> Message-ID: <BF402ECC-C11D-4526-82C2-B5267520D414 at sbcglobal.net <mailto:BF402ECC-C11D-4526-82C2-B5267520D414 at sbcglobal.net>>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
> 
> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns. 
> 
> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a way to filter/remove that?
> 
> Richard Burkett
> richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net <mailto:richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 06:53:07 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:53:07 +0200
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f1fe58d2-85ef-9c1b-06ba-82c1f7d8b0c0@gmail.com>

Thank you very much, that's a great help.

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 1:17 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> Change it to..
> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
> stack
>
> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
> straightforward)
>
> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
> development you use the first method, else you use the second.
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Its because of this...
>>
>> *Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are
>> stored as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is
>> actually a folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is
>> inside this folder. The filename of stack property reports the location
>> of the application inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For
>> example, if the bundle's file path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the
>> filename of the application's main stack might be
>> "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
>>> which are stored
>>> in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
>>> stack opens it
>>> works its way through the script:
>>>
>>> onpreOpenStack
>>>      setitemDelto"/"
>>>      setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
>>>      gotocard "TITLE"
>>> endpreOpenStack
>>>
>>> nothing particularly odd there.
>>>
>>> each image has "rez/imagename.png"
>>>   set as its source.
>>>
>>> AND everything works in the stack.
>>>
>>> So would be extremely grateful why, when a Mac standalone is placed in
>>> exactly
>>> the same relation to the "rez" folder it does not "pick up" the images.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Jan 10 06:54:49 2018
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:54:49 +0100
Subject: AW: How does 'Apple VPP Education' discount work?
In-Reply-To: <CAHFYGn418y8vUdeakAtotCdVa6Y7xd+EqtEMrTX=S1n8NdJYfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHFYGn418y8vUdeakAtotCdVa6Y7xd+EqtEMrTX=S1n8NdJYfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007601d38a09$d1df56d0$759e0470$@kestner.de>

Hi William,

finally every app in the AppStore is enabled for VPP. You don't have to join
the VPP program, only the customer / school has to.

Your set up a sales price of your app in the appStore for everyone and you
can choose with that option you mentioned in the app settings, if a customer
with a VPP contract gets a 50% discount on that standard price or not.
That?s all

The only restriction on VPP is that no inApp purchases are allowed for the
VPP program. (only apps without inApp purchase)

Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von William de Smet via use-livecode
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018 11:30
An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com>
Betreff: How does 'Apple VPP Education' discount work?

Hi there,

I was asked if i could add my apps to Apple's VPP education program.
I see I have two choices:
1. Available with a volume discount for educational institutions 2.
Available with no discount

On this page it says you can enable 50% discount:
https://developer.apple.com/programs/volume/education/

Can anyone explain to me how this discounts works?



greetings,

William
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 06:57:31 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:57:31 +0200
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>

My "problem" Klaus is that I don't know YOUR LiveCode,
but I do know MY LiveCode.

I have a theory that once one has been working inwith a system for many 
years
one's methods and mindset become fixed in a way that may not be very useful.

Best, Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Change it to..
>> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
>> stack
>>
>> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
>> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
>> straightforward)
>>
>> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
>> development you use the first method, else you use the second.
> Know your Livecode! :-)
> ...
> set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
> ...
>
> This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in
> the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!
>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Its because of this...
>>>
>>> *Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are
>>> stored as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is
>>> actually a folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is
>>> inside this folder. The filename of stack property reports the location
>>> of the application inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For
>>> example, if the bundle's file path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the
>>> filename of the application's main stack might be
>>> "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
>>>> which are stored
>>>> in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
>>>> stack opens it
>>>> works its way through the script:
>>>>
>>>> onpreOpenStack
>>>>     setitemDelto"/"
>>>>     setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
>>>>     gotocard "TITLE"
>>>> endpreOpenStack
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 07:00:28 2018
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:00:28 +0100
Subject: How does 'Apple VPP Education' discount work?
In-Reply-To: <007601d38a09$d1df56d0$759e0470$@kestner.de>
References: <CAHFYGn418y8vUdeakAtotCdVa6Y7xd+EqtEMrTX=S1n8NdJYfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<007601d38a09$d1df56d0$759e0470$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn6_9JZ9psWjtOC8kGgnVmCZx5Xk+mt9GHs8rRWZdwjo+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Tiemo,

i thought I could/had to change the discount rating myself.

greetings,

William



2018-01-10 12:54 GMT+01:00 Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:

> Hi William,
>
> finally every app in the AppStore is enabled for VPP. You don't have to
> join
> the VPP program, only the customer / school has to.
>
> Your set up a sales price of your app in the appStore for everyone and you
> can choose with that option you mentioned in the app settings, if a
> customer
> with a VPP contract gets a 50% discount on that standard price or not.
> That?s all
>
> The only restriction on VPP is that no inApp purchases are allowed for the
> VPP program. (only apps without inApp purchase)
>
> Tiemo
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> Auftrag
> von William de Smet via use-livecode
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2018 11:30
> An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com>
> Betreff: How does 'Apple VPP Education' discount work?
>
> Hi there,
>
> I was asked if i could add my apps to Apple's VPP education program.
> I see I have two choices:
> 1. Available with a volume discount for educational institutions 2.
> Available with no discount
>
> On this page it says you can enable 50% discount:
> https://developer.apple.com/programs/volume/education/
>
> Can anyone explain to me how this discounts works?
>
>
>
> greetings,
>
> William
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 10 07:01:44 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:01:44 +0100
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>

Hi Richmond,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:57 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> My "problem" Klaus is that I don't know YOUR LiveCode,

that's why I wrote "Know YOUR Livecode" and not "Know MY Livecode", Sir! :-)

> but I do know MY LiveCode.
> 
> I have a theory that once one has been working inwith a system for many years
> one's methods and mindset become fixed in a way that may not be very useful.

But you know specialfolderpath("resources") and the fact that everything you add to 
your standalone(s) via the "Copy files..." tab in the standalone builder settings can be
found in that sepcialfolderpath in the standalone?

> Best, Richmond.
> 
> On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> 
>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Change it to..
>>> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
>>> stack
>>> 
>>> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
>>> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
>>> straightforward)
>>> 
>>> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
>>> development you use the first method, else you use the second.
>> Know your Livecode! :-)
>> ...
>> set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
>> ...
>> 
>> This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in
>> the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 07:02:17 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:02:17 +0200
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29aae609-d148-1e73-574d-34db3d6a6183@gmail.com>

That did not work, unfortunately.

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 1:17 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> Change it to..
> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
> stack
>
> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
> straightforward)
>
> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
> development you use the first method, else you use the second.
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 4:05 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Its because of this...
>>
>> *Cross-platform note:* On OS X systems, standalone applications are
>> stored as application bundles. A bundle behaves like a file but is
>> actually a folder, and the main stack of a standalone application is
>> inside this folder. The filename of stack property reports the location
>> of the application inside the bundle, not the bundle'slocation. For
>> example, if the bundle's file path is "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/", the
>> filename of the application's main stack might be
>> "/Volumes/Disk/MyApp.app/Contents/MacOS/MyApp".
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am currently working on something that calls a lot of external images
>>> which are stored
>>> in a folder called "rez" in the same location as my stack, and when my
>>> stack opens it
>>> works its way through the script:
>>>
>>> onpreOpenStack
>>>      setitemDelto"/"
>>>      setthedefaultFoldertoitem 1 to-2 of(theeffectivefileNameofthis stack)
>>>      gotocard "TITLE"
>>> endpreOpenStack
>>>
>>> nothing particularly odd there.
>>>
>>> each image has "rez/imagename.png"
>>>   set as its source.
>>>
>>> AND everything works in the stack.
>>>
>>> So would be extremely grateful why, when a Mac standalone is placed in
>>> exactly
>>> the same relation to the "rez" folder it does not "pick up" the images.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
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>>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 07:07:46 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 07:07:46 -0500
Subject: Custom properties of IDE palettes?
In-Reply-To: <49ce238f129ac71a8132d121a50ec933@livecode.com>
References: <CAKCLKtrL1OTByuJFuPROLiMSA9GeCMAN9a0JaqpDbQA=Doxbjw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jCz5Oe48OVVHP-tY1sfvdQRzzVaGxWMHMS8-bpar3JFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtobMjDtX4PwNjBBgaNqHStk-46Ew1QXQgaHpWBx=qt1kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<49ce238f129ac71a8132d121a50ec933@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoGg_gZfWv0hfqYdMEAVOMfV2MLff_hqfomXAtB0oTvqQ@mail.gmail.com>

AHA! (thanks)

gc

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 3:56 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>
> The 'cLocked' is a getProp/setProp (virtual) custom property, which is why
> it doesn't appear in the customKeys.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 07:13:52 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:13:52 +0200
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <14734a52-18cc-a033-f653-6ca230b103cd@gmail.com>

I thought I'd "play a game", so I set up a new stack with 2 buttons:

[Mac OS]

Button 1 contained this script:

onmouseUp
     setthedefaultfoldertospecialfolderpath("resources"
endmouseUp

and Button 2 contained this script:

onmouseUp
   putthedefaultFolder
endmouseUp

I clicked on Button 1 and then on Button 2

and got this in the Message Box:

/Users/richmondmathewson/LiveCode/LiveCode Indy 
8.1.8.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset

So, feeling "really daring" I made a third button, "Button 3" (surely not?)
containing this script:

onmouseUp
     setthedefaultfoldertoitem 1 to-5 oftheeffectivefilenameofthis stack
endmouseUp

then clicked Button 3 followed by Button 2, and got this in the Message Box:

/Users/richmondmathewson/LiveCode/LiveCode Indy 
8.1.8.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset

so, obviously " setthedefaultfoldertoitem 1 to-5 
oftheeffectivefilenameofthis stack"

is useless.

Richmond.


On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 07:20:30 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:20:30 +0200
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>

Well, YOUR LiveCode, MY LiveCode, EVERYONE'S LiveCode: YOUR recipe worked.

Thanks a bucket!

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 2:01 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:57 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> My "problem" Klaus is that I don't know YOUR LiveCode,
> that's why I wrote "Know YOUR Livecode" and not "Know MY Livecode", Sir! :-)
>
>> but I do know MY LiveCode.
>>
>> I have a theory that once one has been working inwith a system for many years
>> one's methods and mindset become fixed in a way that may not be very useful.
> But you know specialfolderpath("resources") and the fact that everything you add to
> your standalone(s) via the "Copy files..." tab in the standalone builder settings can be
> found in that sepcialfolderpath in the standalone?
>
>> Best, Richmond.
>>
>> On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Change it to..
>>>> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
>>>> stack
>>>>
>>>> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
>>>> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
>>>> straightforward)
>>>>
>>>> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
>>>> development you use the first method, else you use the second.
>>> Know your Livecode! :-)
>>> ...
>>> set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
>>> ...
>>>
>>> This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in
>>> the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 10 07:22:17 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:22:17 +0100
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <14734a52-18cc-a033-f653-6ca230b103cd@gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<14734a52-18cc-a033-f653-6ca230b103cd@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F9E6D59-3352-4045-BDD8-2C75FA7FBF7D@major-k.de>

Hi Richmond,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:13 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I thought I'd "play a game", so I set up a new stack with 2 buttons:
> 
> [Mac OS]
> 
> Button 1 contained this script:
> 
> onmouseUp
>    setthedefaultfoldertospecialfolderpath("resources"
> endmouseUp
> 
> and Button 2 contained this script:
> 
> onmouseUp
>  putthedefaultFolder
> endmouseUp
> 
> I clicked on Button 1 and then on Button 2
> 
> and got this in the Message Box:
> 
> /Users/richmondmathewson/LiveCode/LiveCode Indy 8.1.8.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset

sounds like you did not SAVE that stack so far.
If saved specialfolderpath("resources") shoud give you the folder that stack has beeen saved in!

> ...
> Richmond.

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 07:23:27 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:23:27 +0200
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>

And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 2:20 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Well, YOUR LiveCode, MY LiveCode, EVERYONE'S LiveCode: YOUR recipe worked.
>
> Thanks a bucket!
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 10/1/2018 2:01 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Richmond,
>>
>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:57 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>> My "problem" Klaus is that I don't know YOUR LiveCode,
>> that's why I wrote "Know YOUR Livecode" and not "Know MY Livecode", Sir! :-)
>>
>>> but I do know MY LiveCode.
>>>
>>> I have a theory that once one has been working inwith a system for many years
>>> one's methods and mindset become fixed in a way that may not be very useful.
>> But you know specialfolderpath("resources") and the fact that everything you add to
>> your standalone(s) via the "Copy files..." tab in the standalone builder settings can be
>> found in that sepcialfolderpath in the standalone?
>>
>>> Best, Richmond.
>>>
>>> On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Change it to..
>>>>> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
>>>>> stack
>>>>>
>>>>> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
>>>>> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
>>>>> straightforward)
>>>>>
>>>>> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
>>>>> development you use the first method, else you use the second.
>>>> Know your Livecode! :-)
>>>> ...
>>>> set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in
>>>> the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!
>> Best
>>
>> Klaus
>>
>> --
>> Klaus Major
>> http://www.major-k.de
>> klaus at major-k.de
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 10 07:24:43 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:24:43 +0100
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <564BBA58-7B37-471F-B824-4FAC8FD0FC79@major-k.de>

Hi Richmond,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:20 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Well, YOUR LiveCode, MY LiveCode, EVERYONE'S LiveCode:

ah, snappish answers! 
A typical reaction after having been caught! :-D

> YOUR recipe worked.
> Thanks a bucket!

You're welcome!

> Richmond.
> 
> On 10/1/2018 2:01 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Richmond,
>> 
>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:57 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> My "problem" Klaus is that I don't know YOUR LiveCode,
>> that's why I wrote "Know YOUR Livecode" and not "Know MY Livecode", Sir! :-)
>> 
>>> but I do know MY LiveCode.
>>> 
>>> I have a theory that once one has been working inwith a system for many years
>>> one's methods and mindset become fixed in a way that may not be very useful.
>> But you know specialfolderpath("resources") and the fact that everything you add to
>> your standalone(s) via the "Copy files..." tab in the standalone builder settings can be
>> found in that sepcialfolderpath in the standalone?
>> 
>>> Best, Richmond.
>>> 
>>> On 10/1/2018 1:32 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 12:17 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Change it to..
>>>>> set the defaultfolder to item 1 to -5 of the effective filename of this
>>>>> stack
>>>>> 
>>>>> and it should work. I don't have an available mac to test though, so
>>>>> tweakage might be necessary. (not likely though its pretty
>>>>> straightforward)
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can put it in an if block if you want so that if the environment is
>>>>> development you use the first method, else you use the second.
>>>> Know your Livecode! :-)
>>>> ...
>>>> set the defaultfolder to specialfolderpath("resources")
>>>> ...
>>>> 
>>>> This should however not be neccessary since relative pathnames that work in
>>>> the IDE should also work in a standalone and actually do!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 10 07:25:20 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:25:20 +0100
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>
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Hi Richmond,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
> specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?

yes, as stated in the dictionary!

> Richmond.

Best

Klaus
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 07:47:25 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:47:25 -0700
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <CBDCCA8B-8A8D-4E5C-84AC-160AA42FF29A@major-k.de>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
	<8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>
	<CBDCCA8B-8A8D-4E5C-84AC-160AA42FF29A@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpynD4ty-cdyJYq0v_wGQJTCQBgd0MXEsmgHTsW9GDYsQ@mail.gmail.com>

you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond, otherwise
its not able to count items.

Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a folder
that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
doesn't work.

Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in question,
setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example which
is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Richmond,
>
> > Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
> > specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?
>
> yes, as stated in the dictionary!
>
> > Richmond.
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From stephen at barncard.com  Wed Jan 10 10:05:16 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:05:16 +0000
Subject: OT: system recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHLcMFs69a-ocENmEy1u2H_UnOA8i3gAbb_hxDcA-Khpdw@mail.gmail.com>

This is really the wrong place.You can find out all you need on YouTube
videos.
However, due to my own experience, I would consider only a very recent
Macintosh system To work with 4K video. They provide the best bang for the
buck over any PC.  The video ?card? is an Integral part of the computer and
system.
Also your friend really needs to figure out which editing program he?s
going to use FIRST and there are many... by the way, final cut Pro X for
the Mac is what I would suggest.   It?s the best deal at $300

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 02:02 Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the off topic question, but this is my most trusted place for
> tech knowledge.  Appreciate any tips and advice (for a friend).
>
> My friend is looking to buy or build a pc to do 4k video editing.  I know
> the obvious part.. If you can afford more memory, add more memory.
>
> After that, I'm lost.  intel vs amd?  For video, amd or nvidia or something
> else?  Is there a synergy between choice of motherboard/cpu make/video
> choice?  As for hard drive setup, i'm thinking a 500g ssd boot device and a
> single 7200rpm 3tb or greater drive (drive space is CHEAP!)
>
> I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.  I
> know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
> striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?
>
> Is it acceptable to do the processing on a non 4k monitor?
>
> Unfortunately, cost IS a factor.  I know it boils down to how much cash one
> wants to throw at it, but i'm looking for best bang for the buck, 1500 or
> less.  (things could be bumped up later by adding mem, better monitor to
> view output.
>
> Oh, also, this will not be online editing (Which I assume to mean "live")
> and will be video from a gopro so the bitrate won't be as intensive as say
> a RED quality camera.
>
> Thanks for any and all suggestions, and helping me provide better
> recommendations to my friend.
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 10:10:28 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:10:28 -0700
Subject: OT: system recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHLcMFs69a-ocENmEy1u2H_UnOA8i3gAbb_hxDcA-Khpdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLcMFs69a-ocENmEy1u2H_UnOA8i3gAbb_hxDcA-Khpdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrkfVwQAx7TT2rgMk-oVptS6GXP_v7u+t361ijk4W1rBg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This is really the wrong place.You can find out all you need on YouTube
> videos.
> However, due to my own experience, I would consider only a very recent
> Macintosh system To work with 4K video. They provide the best bang for the
> buck over any PC.  The video ?card? is an Integral part of the computer and
> system.
> Also your friend really needs to figure out which editing program he?s
> going to use FIRST and there are many... by the way, final cut Pro X for
> the Mac is what I would suggest.   It?s the best deal at $300
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 02:02 Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Sorry for the off topic question, but this is my most trusted place for
> > tech knowledge.  Appreciate any tips and advice (for a friend).
> >
> > My friend is looking to buy or build a pc to do 4k video editing.  I know
> > the obvious part.. If you can afford more memory, add more memory.
> >
> > After that, I'm lost.  intel vs amd?  For video, amd or nvidia or
> something
> > else?  Is there a synergy between choice of motherboard/cpu make/video
> > choice?  As for hard drive setup, i'm thinking a 500g ssd boot device
> and a
> > single 7200rpm 3tb or greater drive (drive space is CHEAP!)
> >
> > I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.
> I
> > know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
> > striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?
> >
> > Is it acceptable to do the processing on a non 4k monitor?
> >
> > Unfortunately, cost IS a factor.  I know it boils down to how much cash
> one
> > wants to throw at it, but i'm looking for best bang for the buck, 1500 or
> > less.  (things could be bumped up later by adding mem, better monitor to
> > view output.
> >
> > Oh, also, this will not be online editing (Which I assume to mean "live")
> > and will be video from a gopro so the bitrate won't be as intensive as
> say
> > a RED quality camera.
> >
> > Thanks for any and all suggestions, and helping me provide better
> > recommendations to my friend.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 10 10:20:23 2018
From: richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net (Richard Burkett)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 07:20:23 -0800
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
Message-ID: <672F5E7B-A0C9-4BA0-BADC-7624A00D9028@sbcglobal.net>

Thanks for the suggestion, Jacqueline, but it didn?t change anything. Anyone else have a script-based solution to make sure LiveCode pastes only plain text? ASCII, Native, MacRoman - none of those text encodings work. 
Even putting only this line in my script results in the same thing:
set the clipboarddata to ( "blah" & lf & "blah" & lf & "blah" & cr & "blah" & cr & "blah" & return & "blah" )

What?s different about text set in the clipboard in LiveCode from other text copied from other Mac apps?

Richard Burkett
richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net

> On 1/9/18 12:09 PM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode wrote:
>> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
>> 
>> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a way to filter/remove that?
> 
> I don't have a good way to test this, but try:
> 
> set the clipboardData to textEncode(the clipboardData,"native")
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>

From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 10:25:22 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:25:22 -0700
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <672F5E7B-A0C9-4BA0-BADC-7624A00D9028@sbcglobal.net>
References: <672F5E7B-A0C9-4BA0-BADC-7624A00D9028@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpD2qFWSg0PqvvgtJc6_EGNwzqEF5BQiXAw+xCZyU1rvg@mail.gmail.com>

Does this work?

set the clipboarddata["text"] to "whatever text here"

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion, Jacqueline, but it didn?t change anything.
> Anyone else have a script-based solution to make sure LiveCode pastes only
> plain text? ASCII, Native, MacRoman - none of those text encodings work.
> Even putting only this line in my script results in the same thing:
> set the clipboarddata to ( "blah" & lf & "blah" & lf & "blah" & cr &
> "blah" & cr & "blah" & return & "blah" )
>
> What?s different about text set in the clipboard in LiveCode from other
> text copied from other Mac apps?
>
> Richard Burkett
> richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net
>
> > On 1/9/18 12:09 PM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in
> LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each
> line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if
> it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR
> and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also
> writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works.
> It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
> >>
> >> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into
> Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each
> line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is
> there a way to filter/remove that?
> >
> > I don't have a good way to test this, but try:
> >
> > set the clipboardData to textEncode(the clipboardData,"native")
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:
> jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com <
> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 10 11:44:53 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:44:53 +0000
Subject: OT: system recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B86E743B-D4D6-49EB-8D55-7091CDA6E5FE@iotecdigital.com>

If not data is being stored on the raid, and is only being used for post processing, then the more drives you add to a stripe, the faster it can be, with the limitation of the external interface. I hear Thunderbolt interfaces scream but are pricey. 

Also, you will need to have some kind of backup for current projects. Last thing you want is to lose the stripe the day before final rendering. Ask me how I know. Barring that, a RAID 5 may be a better choice, but it's not as fast. 

Bob S


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 02:01 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.  I
> know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
> striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?




From paul at livecode.org  Wed Jan 10 11:53:43 2018
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:53:43 -0800
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <672F5E7B-A0C9-4BA0-BADC-7624A00D9028@sbcglobal.net>
References: <672F5E7B-A0C9-4BA0-BADC-7624A00D9028@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <3CAD9EE5-AE7C-4759-B8FF-E7512EE5B499@livecode.org>

This works for me with LC9.0.0(dp11) on MacOS High Sierra 10.13.2:

   lock the clipBoard
   put the clipboardData["text"] into tClip
   set the clipBoardData to empty
    -- OSX
   set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
         to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" )
   unlock the clipBoard
   -- Now Go Paste in Apple Mail

For an in-depth explanation check the ?rawClipboardData" in the dictionary.

Hope this helps.

Paul


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion, Jacqueline, but it didn?t change anything. Anyone else have a script-based solution to make sure LiveCode pastes only plain text? ASCII, Native, MacRoman - none of those text encodings work. 
> Even putting only this line in my script results in the same thing:
> set the clipboarddata to ( "blah" & lf & "blah" & lf & "blah" & cr & "blah" & cr & "blah" & return & "blah" )
> 
> What?s different about text set in the clipboard in LiveCode from other text copied from other Mac apps?
> 
> Richard Burkett
> richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net
> 
>> On 1/9/18 12:09 PM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
>>> 
>>> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a way to filter/remove that?
>> 
>> I don't have a good way to test this, but try:
>> 
>> set the clipboardData to textEncode(the clipboardData,"native")
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>
> _______________________________________________
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 12:10:13 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:10:13 -0700
Subject: OT: system recommendation
In-Reply-To: <B86E743B-D4D6-49EB-8D55-7091CDA6E5FE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B86E743B-D4D6-49EB-8D55-7091CDA6E5FE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoKajcSsdKgveywbR7T2-vR_UXt3ANeOuuq2-v-rd202w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bob.  Yeah I've already been stressing the need for a backup
strategy. Possibly a combination of a freenas with zfs1 (3 drives, I
already have most of the parts to make it work) and nextcloud as part of
the strategy. (plus offline)  Love freenas.  (now i'm wondering if the
network would be quick enough to work off a share)  So much to learn.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> If not data is being stored on the raid, and is only being used for post
> processing, then the more drives you add to a stripe, the faster it can be,
> with the limitation of the external interface. I hear Thunderbolt
> interfaces scream but are pricey.
>
> Also, you will need to have some kind of backup for current projects. Last
> thing you want is to lose the stripe the day before final rendering. Ask me
> how I know. Barring that, a RAID 5 may be a better choice, but it's not as
> fast.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 2018, at 02:01 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I also don't know how important drive throughput is for vid processing.
> I
> > know it matters, but how fast is fast enough?  Does it pay to set up a
> > striped set of 3 or 5 drives?  Or a hybrid drive?
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jan 10 12:34:02 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 09:34:02 -0800
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>

On 01/10/2018 12:57 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

> Why would 'commercial locked widgets' not have a manifest? (Or some 
> other means to describe their public interface...)

Dunno. It's a mystery to me. I'm just working off Ali's comments in the 
PR. Can you guarantee then that widgets must always be distributed with 
a manifest.xml file? Or equivalent?

https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/commit/397deb26d7c0f93d4461bb36e292f8bafd5b0a5c

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=30264

-- 
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  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Jan 10 12:42:43 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:42:43 -0500
Subject: Creating .ipa now that iTunes has depreciated apps.
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoKajcSsdKgveywbR7T2-vR_UXt3ANeOuuq2-v-rd202w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>	<B86E743B-D4D6-49EB-8D55-7091CDA6E5FE@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoKajcSsdKgveywbR7T2-vR_UXt3ANeOuuq2-v-rd202w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701d38a3a$6df2eed0$49d8cc70$@net>

Well I finally updated iTunes and lost the ability to create an .ipa. I made
a right click context item in finder to get one click .ipa creation back.

If anyone want this:

1) Open up the Automater
2) Create new
3) Select "Run Shell Script" from left pane
4) Change "Pass input:" to "as arguments"
5) Paste in this script

current_path=$(dirname "$1")
cd "$current_path"

for f in "$@"
do
mkdir Payload
cp -r "$f" Payload/
base=$(basename $f)
base2="${base%.*}"
zip -r "$base2".zip Payload/
mv "$base2".zip "$base2".ipa
rm -R Payload/
done


6) Save and name it "Create ipa"


That's it.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net




From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan 10 12:44:52 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:44:52 +0100
Subject: Do widgets support =?UTF-8?Q?introspection=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <3f15db0e22714a04ef906655cc255637@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-10 18:34, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> Dunno. It's a mystery to me. I'm just working off Ali's comments in
> the PR. Can you guarantee then that widgets must always be distributed
> with a manifest.xml file? Or equivalent?
> 
> https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/commit/397deb26d7c0f93d4461bb36e292f8bafd5b0a5c
> 
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=30264

I can't guarantee there will be a separate file in the future 
necessarily, nor something human-readable (the manifest.xml is actually 
generated mechanically from the data in the compiled module file and 
combined with the metadata statements in the source file).

However, as has been highlighted here, we do need to add a nice, simple, 
stable API which returns an array describing a control's public API to 
the IDE library. There is an API which does it in a form suitable for 
the property inspector, but that's not quite as succinct.

So I can guarantee we will add a function 'ideDescribeControl' or some 
such which would return an array listing the controls properties with 
full type information and associated metadata so plugins don't have to 
rely on fettling with internal details.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 12:49:58 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:49:58 -0500
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <3f15db0e22714a04ef906655cc255637@livecode.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<3f15db0e22714a04ef906655cc255637@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtow-WUNrPu_nU2gg9osgTMY0GugHHojAhvNwdwBSqEH6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> There is an API which does it in a form suitable for the property
> inspector, but that's not quite as succinct.
>

?Is this script-accessible, or just engine-accessible??


From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan 10 12:54:41 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:54:41 +0100
Subject: Do widgets support =?UTF-8?Q?introspection=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtow-WUNrPu_nU2gg9osgTMY0GugHHojAhvNwdwBSqEH6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<3f15db0e22714a04ef906655cc255637@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtow-WUNrPu_nU2gg9osgTMY0GugHHojAhvNwdwBSqEH6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a9e97c97adf5d5becfd223d261c6b282@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-10 18:49, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:44 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> There is an API which does it in a form suitable for the property
>> inspector, but that's not quite as succinct.
>> 
> 
> ?Is this script-accessible, or just engine-accessible??

Script accessible - its part of the IDE library.

I chatted to Ali about this first thing this morning...

`revIDEPropertiesInfo pObjectList` returns an array of obj property info 
that is shared between the objects in the list. Although that's in a 
processed form required by the property inspector.

The info will be that required by the property inspector - which is 
probably suitable for Navigator (which I'm assuming is what you are 
looking to update :)).

Adding a non-property-inspector-specific describe API is on the list of 
things to do :)

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan 10 12:56:54 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:56:54 +0100
Subject: Do widgets support =?UTF-8?Q?introspection=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4db99078cf06268e2eae3ffab3f11631@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-10 18:34, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 01/10/2018 12:57 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> Why would 'commercial locked widgets' not have a manifest? (Or some 
>> other means to describe their public interface...)
> 
> Dunno. It's a mystery to me. I'm just working off Ali's comments in
> the PR.

Are you sure you didn't confuse 'source file' with 'manifest' - its 
dealing with no source file in extensions that commit sorts out (also 
why protected extensions need their docs extracted at build time - 
there's no source file in them for the IDE to poke).

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 12:58:31 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:58:31 -0500
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <a9e97c97adf5d5becfd223d261c6b282@livecode.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<3f15db0e22714a04ef906655cc255637@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtow-WUNrPu_nU2gg9osgTMY0GugHHojAhvNwdwBSqEH6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<a9e97c97adf5d5becfd223d261c6b282@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKto_+rQv61uCyoTS876vbxzVdO0Z9agsQNFGNXjT1XZtPg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:


> The info will be that required by the property inspector - which is
> probably suitable for Navigator (which I'm assuming is what you are looking
> to update :)).
>

?Get out of my head! ;-)?


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jan 10 13:03:03 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:03:03 -0800
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <3f15db0e22714a04ef906655cc255637@livecode.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<3f15db0e22714a04ef906655cc255637@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <392e67e0-f932-c43b-e7ec-1b05b998920e@sonic.net>

On 01/10/2018 09:44 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

> I can't guarantee there will be a separate file in the future 
> necessarily, nor something human-readable (the manifest.xml is actually 
> generated mechanically from the data in the compiled module file and 
> combined with the metadata statements in the source file).
> 
> However, as has been highlighted here, we do need to add a nice, simple, 
> stable API which returns an array describing a control's public API to 
> the IDE library. There is an API which does it in a form suitable for 
> the property inspector, but that's not quite as succinct.
> 
> So I can guarantee we will add a function 'ideDescribeControl' or some 
> such which would return an array listing the controls properties with 
> full type information and associated metadata so plugins don't have to 
> rely on fettling with internal details.

I'm currently relying on the manifest.xml file in order to retrieve 
information about widgets that seems unavailable elsewhere (distinction 
between widget and library, svgicon data, etc). I'm trying to stay ahead 
of the game by future-proofing my code, and it's a bit frustrating 
trying to guess at things from PR comments. The existing 
revDocsParseDocFileToLibraryArray function in revDocsParser doesn't 
return much useful information about widgets (no metadata, etc).

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jan 10 13:09:25 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:09:25 -0800
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <4db99078cf06268e2eae3ffab3f11631@livecode.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<4db99078cf06268e2eae3ffab3f11631@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <9a366433-b23b-0cab-5a97-00a68193734c@sonic.net>

On 01/10/2018 09:56 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:

> Are you sure you didn't confuse 'source file' with 'manifest' - its 
> dealing with no source file in extensions that commit sorts out (also 
> why protected extensions need their docs extracted at build time - 
> there's no source file in them for the IDE to poke). 

Yes. I'm looking at the __fetchScriptLibraryData function, which 
attempts to retrieve information from the api.lcdoc file if there's no 
manifest.xml file present. The .lcdoc files for widgets are quite 
different from those for the dictionary (and with good reason), and much 
useful information in the xml file is not present in the lcdoc file. I'm 
guessing that much needs to change for this to work as described.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 13:16:40 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:16:40 -0500
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto_+rQv61uCyoTS876vbxzVdO0Z9agsQNFGNXjT1XZtPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<3f15db0e22714a04ef906655cc255637@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtow-WUNrPu_nU2gg9osgTMY0GugHHojAhvNwdwBSqEH6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<a9e97c97adf5d5becfd223d261c6b282@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKto_+rQv61uCyoTS876vbxzVdO0Z9agsQNFGNXjT1XZtPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoee89XZtsVkwANfoYeScm5+D1KMJ_LDBXF6bYac=EYiw@mail.gmail.com>

I have to admit, having parsed the results of revIDEPropertiesInfo and
looked at   <property name="timeZone" get="optional number" set="optional
number"/>, it took me more than a few tries at:

set the timeZone of widget "clock" to 1
set the timeZone of widget "clock" to 5
set the timeZone of widget "clock" to 9

...etc. before I noticed that the second hand was glitching slightly and
tried

set the timeZone of widget "clock" to 3600

In the words of Gru, "Light bulb."

That said, there doesn't seem to be any info in either place that would
have led me in this direction, or more importantly, to specify acceptable
vs. unacceptable values for something like this. TBD?


From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan 10 13:18:04 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:18:04 +0000
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <9a366433-b23b-0cab-5a97-00a68193734c@sonic.net>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<4db99078cf06268e2eae3ffab3f11631@livecode.com>
	<9a366433-b23b-0cab-5a97-00a68193734c@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYL0z+G6ktpKJMODzdB=UkNjvoGWvHpjZ1LYzKSd_MM4A@mail.gmail.com>

My guess is that will be for livecodescript libraries since they do not end
up with a manifest file.
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:09 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 01/10/2018 09:56 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
>
> > Are you sure you didn't confuse 'source file' with 'manifest' - its
> > dealing with no source file in extensions that commit sorts out (also
> > why protected extensions need their docs extracted at build time -
> > there's no source file in them for the IDE to poke).
>
> Yes. I'm looking at the __fetchScriptLibraryData function, which
> attempts to retrieve information from the api.lcdoc file if there's no
> manifest.xml file present. The .lcdoc files for widgets are quite
> different from those for the dictionary (and with good reason), and much
> useful information in the xml file is not present in the lcdoc file. I'm
> guessing that much needs to change for this to work as described.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 13:50:19 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:50:19 +0200
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpynD4ty-cdyJYq0v_wGQJTCQBgd0MXEsmgHTsW9GDYsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
	<8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>
	<CBDCCA8B-8A8D-4E5C-84AC-160AA42FF29A@major-k.de>
	<CAG1cpSpynD4ty-cdyJYq0v_wGQJTCQBgd0MXEsmgHTsW9GDYsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83dca0aa-b56b-c798-de39-710f3fc40160@gmail.com>

Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 2:47 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond, otherwise
> its not able to count items.
>
> Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a folder
> that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
> standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
> doesn't work.
>
> Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in question,
> setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
> solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example which
> is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Richmond,
>>
>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
>>> specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?
>> yes, as stated in the dictionary!
>>
>>> Richmond.
>> Best
>>
>> Klaus
>> --
>> Klaus Major
>> http://www.major-k.de
>> klaus at major-k.de
>>
>>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 10 13:52:07 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:52:07 +0100
Subject: Browser widget and revbrowserback/revbrowserforward
Message-ID: <635BE4BD-1761-4775-902F-B2C9AB2427AB@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

a user in the forum asked this questio and I would also like to know :-)

With "revbrowser...." we had a simple command to browser the browser
history: revBrowserBack and RevBrowserForward
Is there a similar feature in the Browser Widget?

Thanks for any hint!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From stephen at barncard.com  Wed Jan 10 14:02:46 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 11:02:46 -0800
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <83dca0aa-b56b-c798-de39-710f3fc40160@gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
	<8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>
	<CBDCCA8B-8A8D-4E5C-84AC-160AA42FF29A@major-k.de>
	<CAG1cpSpynD4ty-cdyJYq0v_wGQJTCQBgd0MXEsmgHTsW9GDYsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<83dca0aa-b56b-c798-de39-710f3fc40160@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHL1o6GaRKKP7h8JyZ5V89ncZWQkYTec8HmVH2wTsRMG6w@mail.gmail.com>

We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us are
afraid to ask

 thanks for being here,  grumpy or not

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 10/1/2018 2:47 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond, otherwise
>> its not able to count items.
>>
>> Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a folder
>> that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
>> standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
>> doesn't work.
>>
>> Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in question,
>> setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
>> solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example
>> which
>> is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richmond,
>>>
>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>>>>
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>>> And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
>>>> specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?
>>>>
>>> yes, as stated in the dictionary!
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Klaus
>>> --
>>> Klaus Major
>>> http://www.major-k.de
>>> klaus at major-k.de
>>>
>>>
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>>> subscription preferences:
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jan 10 14:06:47 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:06:47 +0100
Subject: where are Livecode crash logs stored?
Message-ID: <03676602-DD8F-43CB-8BD4-862CD7FB6BA8@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

i need to send a Livecode crash log to a developer of a database driver.
Where do i find that log on Mac OS X?
Calling  revdatafromquery functions freezes Livecode immediately and i am not able to get it back. I need to force quit it in the Finder.

I thought i could find them in ~/Library/Application Support/Runrev/CrashLogs, but that folder is empty.
Is there another place or is no log written because Livecode freezes completely.

Regards,

Matthias 




Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 10 14:13:05 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:13:05 +0100
Subject: where are Livecode crash logs stored?
In-Reply-To: <03676602-DD8F-43CB-8BD4-862CD7FB6BA8@m-r-d.de>
References: <03676602-DD8F-43CB-8BD4-862CD7FB6BA8@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <A501F4F7-4368-41D0-8FD8-D55F0D7B53A8@major-k.de>

Hi Matthias,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:06 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> i need to send a Livecode crash log to a developer of a database driver.
> Where do i find that log on Mac OS X?
> Calling  revdatafromquery functions freezes Livecode immediately and i am not able to get it back. I need to force quit it in the Finder.
> 
> I thought i could find them in ~/Library/Application Support/Runrev/CrashLogs, but that folder is empty.
> Is there another place or is no log written because Livecode freezes completely.

also check: 
~/Library/Logs/RunRev
and
~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports

> Regards,
> 
> Matthias 

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 14:20:27 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 12:20:27 -0700
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <83dca0aa-b56b-c798-de39-710f3fc40160@gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
	<8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>
	<CBDCCA8B-8A8D-4E5C-84AC-160AA42FF29A@major-k.de>
	<CAG1cpSpynD4ty-cdyJYq0v_wGQJTCQBgd0MXEsmgHTsW9GDYsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<83dca0aa-b56b-c798-de39-710f3fc40160@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoQRZ4fW8fHqTFWqrS8Uw_DKv1jHgK7cGaNiJNo-heXTA@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah "/"  exactly like you had it in your posted code. I swear, not
useless. <g>
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?


>
> Richmond.
>
>
>


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jan 10 14:27:28 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:27:28 +0100
Subject: where are Livecode crash logs stored?
In-Reply-To: <A501F4F7-4368-41D0-8FD8-D55F0D7B53A8@major-k.de>
References: <03676602-DD8F-43CB-8BD4-862CD7FB6BA8@m-r-d.de>
	<A501F4F7-4368-41D0-8FD8-D55F0D7B53A8@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <DA7F9E0C-ED7E-4B64-A4FB-E8AF8125A529@m-r-d.de>

Thanks Klaus,

~/Library/Logs/RunRev lists only the 	file LivecodeToolsLog.txt

and  ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is empty.

Matthias
> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:13 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
>> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:06 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> i need to send a Livecode crash log to a developer of a database driver.
>> Where do i find that log on Mac OS X?
>> Calling  revdatafromquery functions freezes Livecode immediately and i am not able to get it back. I need to force quit it in the Finder.
>> 
>> I thought i could find them in ~/Library/Application Support/Runrev/CrashLogs, but that folder is empty.
>> Is there another place or is no log written because Livecode freezes completely.
> 
> also check: 
> ~/Library/Logs/RunRev
> and
> ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports
> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de <http://www.major-k.de/>
> klaus at major-k.de <mailto:klaus at major-k.de>
> 
> 
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 10 14:43:12 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:43:12 +0100
Subject: where are Livecode crash logs stored?
In-Reply-To: <DA7F9E0C-ED7E-4B64-A4FB-E8AF8125A529@m-r-d.de>
References: <03676602-DD8F-43CB-8BD4-862CD7FB6BA8@m-r-d.de>
	<A501F4F7-4368-41D0-8FD8-D55F0D7B53A8@major-k.de>
	<DA7F9E0C-ED7E-4B64-A4FB-E8AF8125A529@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <35882274-4BB9-4414-A2C0-5A9C5F62C382@major-k.de>

Hi Matthias,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:27 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Thanks Klaus,
> ~/Library/Logs/RunRev lists only the 	file LivecodeToolsLog.txt
> and  ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is empty.

hmm, I have some crash logs in my "DiagnosticReports" folder, so this was my first idea.

Please open "Konsole" (im Ordner Dienstprogramme) and see if it lists any LC crash log somewhere.
If yes, right-click on the entry  if possible and select "Show in Finder".

> Matthias

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From brahma at hindu.org  Wed Jan 10 15:02:23 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:02:23 +0000
Subject: OT: Why I  Probably Will Never, Ever Learn HTML%
Message-ID: <58AD3952-9F23-48FF-B929-123CCEAA458A@hindu.org>

Maybe it is just age? or whatever.

But every time I get the idea of "maybe I might see if I will do something in HTML5"

I go to a page like this, I start to get a headache and walk away.

https://reactjs.org/docs/integrating-with-other-libraries.html

BR

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 15:14:44 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:14:44 +0200
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHL1o6GaRKKP7h8JyZ5V89ncZWQkYTec8HmVH2wTsRMG6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
	<8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>
	<CBDCCA8B-8A8D-4E5C-84AC-160AA42FF29A@major-k.de>
	<CAG1cpSpynD4ty-cdyJYq0v_wGQJTCQBgd0MXEsmgHTsW9GDYsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<83dca0aa-b56b-c798-de39-710f3fc40160@gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHL1o6GaRKKP7h8JyZ5V89ncZWQkYTec8HmVH2wTsRMG6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79e02b7f-91fd-e3ca-98c1-329a13f41314@gmail.com>

Although "/" was mentioned in the post to which I replied I have come across
places (not sure where: Windows?) where the itemDelimiter for pathways is
a backslash "\" . . .

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 9:02 pm, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
> We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us are
> afraid to ask
>
>   thanks for being here,  grumpy or not
>
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> mixstream.org
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>>
>> On 10/1/2018 2:47 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond, otherwise
>>> its not able to count items.
>>>
>>> Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a folder
>>> that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
>>> standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
>>> doesn't work.
>>>
>>> Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in question,
>>> setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
>>> solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example
>>> which
>>> is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richmond,
>>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone would
>>>>> specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?
>>>>>
>>>> yes, as stated in the dictionary!
>>>>
>>>> Richmond.
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> Klaus
>>>> --
>>>> Klaus Major
>>>> http://www.major-k.de
>>>> klaus at major-k.de
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
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>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 10 15:21:15 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:21:15 +0100
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <79e02b7f-91fd-e3ca-98c1-329a13f41314@gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
	<8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>
	<CBDCCA8B-8A8D-4E5C-84AC-160AA42FF29A@major-k.de>
	<CAG1cpSpynD4ty-cdyJYq0v_wGQJTCQBgd0MXEsmgHTsW9GDYsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<83dca0aa-b56b-c798-de39-710f3fc40160@gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHL1o6GaRKKP7h8JyZ5V89ncZWQkYTec8HmVH2wTsRMG6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<79e02b7f-91fd-e3ca-98c1-329a13f41314@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C79A9832-96F9-4BBD-B1F7-D6EC1FE682A3@major-k.de>

Hi Richmond,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 21:14 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Although "/" was mentioned in the post to which I replied I have come across
> places (not sure where: Windows?) where the itemDelimiter for pathways is
> a backslash "\" . . .

internally LC uses the SLASH as a pathdelimiter always and on ANY platform!

> Richmond.
> 
> On 10/1/2018 9:02 pm, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
>> We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us are
>> afraid to ask
>> 
>>  thanks for being here,  grumpy or not
>> 
>> --
>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
>> mixstream.org
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 15:22:49 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:22:49 +0200
Subject: OT: Why I Probably Will Never, Ever Learn HTML%
In-Reply-To: <58AD3952-9F23-48FF-B929-123CCEAA458A@hindu.org>
References: <58AD3952-9F23-48FF-B929-123CCEAA458A@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <c66a4d4a-4f3f-8656-3421-033a3b671b41@gmail.com>

Well, that page is like most computer manual pages: written in pompous,
over-jargonised language.

I am 100% sure that what that page actually covers up is fairly straight 
forward.

I just had a look at Danny Goodman's "The Complete HyperCard 2.2" and 
realised
that its 1144 pages could be "boiled down" to about 200: one of the many 
reasons
why I have never managed to read more than a page at a go.

My wife and I have been reading through Plato's Republic recently: now 
there's
a book that is easy to read, contains a lot of sense, and is still valid 
about 2,500
years after it was written.

People who write programming guides should attend writing seminars first 
and
be required to read texts that say what they have to say in a clear way 
that does
not obfuscate everything with fancy words and obscure phrases.

Richmond.

On 10/1/2018 10:02 pm, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Maybe it is just age? or whatever.
>
> But every time I get the idea of "maybe I might see if I will do something in HTML5"
>
> I go to a page like this, I start to get a headache and walk away.
>
> https://reactjs.org/docs/integrating-with-other-libraries.html
>
> BR
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan 10 15:24:43 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:24:43 +0000
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <79e02b7f-91fd-e3ca-98c1-329a13f41314@gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
	<8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>
	<CBDCCA8B-8A8D-4E5C-84AC-160AA42FF29A@major-k.de>
	<CAG1cpSpynD4ty-cdyJYq0v_wGQJTCQBgd0MXEsmgHTsW9GDYsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<83dca0aa-b56b-c798-de39-710f3fc40160@gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHL1o6GaRKKP7h8JyZ5V89ncZWQkYTec8HmVH2wTsRMG6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<79e02b7f-91fd-e3ca-98c1-329a13f41314@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZMuv-JHRmQZ3Ezf0gJ6uqYjbcBw=tZVWDLhVPSUO+tpA@mail.gmail.com>

That is for the shell function.
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:15 PM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Although "/" was mentioned in the post to which I replied I have come
> across
> places (not sure where: Windows?) where the itemDelimiter for pathways is
> a backslash "\" . . .
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 10/1/2018 9:02 pm, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
> > We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us
> are
> > afraid to ask
> >
> >   thanks for being here,  grumpy or not
> >
> > --
> > Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
> > mixstream.org
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?
> >>
> >> Richmond.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/1/2018 2:47 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> >>
> >>> you still need to set the itemdelimiter for it to work Richmond,
> otherwise
> >>> its not able to count items.
> >>>
> >>> Also, I thought part of the issue was that you were referencing a
> folder
> >>> that is NOT in the application bundle using the copy files pane of the
> >>> standalone settings.  This is why using specialfolderpath("resources")
> >>> doesn't work.
> >>>
> >>> Since you said you placed the app bundle next to the folder in
> question,
> >>> setting the itemdelimiter to "/" and then grabbing items 1 to -5 should
> >>> solve the problem.  (You had set the itemdel in your original example
> >>> which
> >>> is why I didn't bother to include it (or the rest of the handler.)
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Richmond,
> >>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 13:23 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> And, IF, I were to try to port the thing to Android or iPad/iPhone
> would
> >>>>> specialfolderpath "do it" over there as well?
> >>>>>
> >>>> yes, as stated in the dictionary!
> >>>>
> >>>> Richmond.
> >>>> Best
> >>>>
> >>>> Klaus
> >>>> --
> >>>> Klaus Major
> >>>> http://www.major-k.de
> >>>> klaus at major-k.de
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>> subscription preferences:
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> >>>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 15:29:56 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:29:56 +0200
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <C79A9832-96F9-4BBD-B1F7-D6EC1FE682A3@major-k.de>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
	<8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>
	<CBDCCA8B-8A8D-4E5C-84AC-160AA42FF29A@major-k.de>
	<CAG1cpSpynD4ty-cdyJYq0v_wGQJTCQBgd0MXEsmgHTsW9GDYsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<83dca0aa-b56b-c798-de39-710f3fc40160@gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHL1o6GaRKKP7h8JyZ5V89ncZWQkYTec8HmVH2wTsRMG6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<79e02b7f-91fd-e3ca-98c1-329a13f41314@gmail.com>
	<C79A9832-96F9-4BBD-B1F7-D6EC1FE682A3@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6dfc25ac-4dde-a124-6403-6af539dee6a0@gmail.com>



On 10/1/2018 10:21 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>> Am 10.01.2018 um 21:14 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Although "/" was mentioned in the post to which I replied I have come across
>> places (not sure where: Windows?) where the itemDelimiter for pathways is
>> a backslash "\" . . .
> internally LC uses the SLASH as a pathdelimiter always and on ANY platform!

That's a great comfort ;-)

Best, Richmond.
>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> On 10/1/2018 9:02 pm, Stephen Barncard via use-livecode wrote:
>>> We can count on you, Richmond to ask the questions that the rest of us are
>>> afraid to ask
>>>
>>>   thanks for being here,  grumpy or not
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
>>> mixstream.org
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Presumably the itemDelimiter should be "/" ?
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
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From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Wed Jan 10 15:37:47 2018
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 20:37:47 +0000
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRYL0z+G6ktpKJMODzdB=UkNjvoGWvHpjZ1LYzKSd_MM4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<4db99078cf06268e2eae3ffab3f11631@livecode.com>
	<9a366433-b23b-0cab-5a97-00a68193734c@sonic.net>
	<CA+yhkRYL0z+G6ktpKJMODzdB=UkNjvoGWvHpjZ1LYzKSd_MM4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1jdRDSNHU95kWtk-gMd_5dwKzZNycBkynVYbYaRGR+WeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Brian is correct, this is a temporary use of the lcdoc stuff for script
libraries to contain info that would be contained in its manifest.

Rather than worrying about what information comes from where, it would
probably be best to use the revIDEExtensions function which returns all the
'metadata' associated with extensions (both lcb and lcs). Although
admittedly that doesn't yet contain information about public handlers in
script library extensions.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 6:18 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> My guess is that will be for livecodescript libraries since they do not end
> up with a manifest file.
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:09 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On 01/10/2018 09:56 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> > > Are you sure you didn't confuse 'source file' with 'manifest' - its
> > > dealing with no source file in extensions that commit sorts out (also
> > > why protected extensions need their docs extracted at build time -
> > > there's no source file in them for the IDE to poke).
> >
> > Yes. I'm looking at the __fetchScriptLibraryData function, which
> > attempts to retrieve information from the api.lcdoc file if there's no
> > manifest.xml file present. The .lcdoc files for widgets are quite
> > different from those for the dictionary (and with good reason), and much
> > useful information in the xml file is not present in the lcdoc file. I'm
> > guessing that much needs to change for this to work as described.
> >
> > --
> >   Mark Wieder
> >   ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan 10 16:03:46 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:03:46 +0000
Subject: Externally reffed-off
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZMuv-JHRmQZ3Ezf0gJ6uqYjbcBw=tZVWDLhVPSUO+tpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f197f162-d1f4-3e29-6150-d52fbb00f367@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpJ69+MCNu7YfRRqeADgyC7L2kfDM40ODPohStUUfx2yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrhiBvXzUfA4s3CUgYv505vpgHsbNLLKRV5oOdw-9C-cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1F2B490-73A6-4C21-BB06-97B73046A76B@major-k.de>
	<e241cd90-174d-38a9-ea20-017ed70e6ccf@gmail.com>
	<0CD29674-D27E-4EAB-BDBE-886ACD5D1F85@major-k.de>
	<b7dc5e0a-789c-6dab-aa9c-6c766e3ffd62@gmail.com>
	<8fe5d4ae-191a-8047-0d8e-2db5a4c0a037@gmail.com>
	<CBDCCA8B-8A8D-4E5C-84AC-160AA42FF29A@major-k.de>
	<CAG1cpSpynD4ty-cdyJYq0v_wGQJTCQBgd0MXEsmgHTsW9GDYsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<83dca0aa-b56b-c798-de39-710f3fc40160@gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHL1o6GaRKKP7h8JyZ5V89ncZWQkYTec8HmVH2wTsRMG6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<79e02b7f-91fd-e3ca-98c1-329a13f41314@gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRZMuv-JHRmQZ3Ezf0gJ6uqYjbcBw=tZVWDLhVPSUO+tpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZoun3n51crFjOmt=WckUHOQU=XaWy-5RCTZkNgmWJpgg@mail.gmail.com>

>From the shell dictionary entry:

*Note:* If you use a file path in the shell command on a Windows system,
the file path must be in Windows form, not the Unix-style file paths that
LiveCode uses internally.


> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:15 PM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Although "/" was mentioned in the post to which I replied I have come
>> across
>> places (not sure where: Windows?) where the itemDelimiter for pathways is
>> a backslash "\" . . .
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>>


From stephen at barncard.com  Wed Jan 10 16:14:11 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:14:11 -0800
Subject: OT: Why I Probably Will Never, Ever Learn HTML%
In-Reply-To: <c66a4d4a-4f3f-8656-3421-033a3b671b41@gmail.com>
References: <58AD3952-9F23-48FF-B929-123CCEAA458A@hindu.org>
	<c66a4d4a-4f3f-8656-3421-033a3b671b41@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJ5XbieJkoVZHR-mxjnd8WavsLeEU93Eyk+vf2b7vfUCw@mail.gmail.com>

Richmond, now you're just grumbling.

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:22 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Well, that page is like most computer manual pages: written in pompous,
> over-jargonised language.
>
> I am 100% sure that what that page actually covers up is fairly straight
> forward.
>
> I just had a look at Danny Goodman's "The Complete HyperCard 2.2" and
> realised
> that its 1144 pages could be "boiled down" to about 200: one of the many
> reasons
> why I have never managed to read more than a page at a go.
>
> My wife and I have been reading through Plato's Republic recently: now
> there's
> a book that is easy to read, contains a lot of sense, and is still valid
> about 2,500
> years after it was written.
>
> People who write programming guides should attend writing seminars first
> and
> be required to read texts that say what they have to say in a clear way
> that does
> not obfuscate everything with fancy words and obscure phrases.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> On 10/1/2018 10:02 pm, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Maybe it is just age? or whatever.
>>
>> But every time I get the idea of "maybe I might see if I will do
>> something in HTML5"
>>
>> I go to a page like this, I start to get a headache and walk away.
>>
>> https://reactjs.org/docs/integrating-with-other-libraries.html
>>
>> BR
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jan 10 16:17:06 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:17:06 -0800
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1jdRDSNHU95kWtk-gMd_5dwKzZNycBkynVYbYaRGR+WeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<4db99078cf06268e2eae3ffab3f11631@livecode.com>
	<9a366433-b23b-0cab-5a97-00a68193734c@sonic.net>
	<CA+yhkRYL0z+G6ktpKJMODzdB=UkNjvoGWvHpjZ1LYzKSd_MM4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jdRDSNHU95kWtk-gMd_5dwKzZNycBkynVYbYaRGR+WeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <073b6b8c-b70d-f11e-4c22-0106e49d58c7@sonic.net>

On 01/10/2018 12:37 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> Brian is correct, this is a temporary use of the lcdoc stuff for script
> libraries to contain info that would be contained in its manifest.
> 
> Rather than worrying about what information comes from where, it would
> probably be best to use the revIDEExtensions function which returns all the
> 'metadata' associated with extensions (both lcb and lcs). Although
> admittedly that doesn't yet contain information about public handlers in
> script library extensions.

Thanks for that! revIDEExtensions() looks almost useful. Is there 
something similar for user extensions? Is this function going to be 
documented some day?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Wed Jan 10 16:52:05 2018
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:52:05 +0000
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <073b6b8c-b70d-f11e-4c22-0106e49d58c7@sonic.net>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<4db99078cf06268e2eae3ffab3f11631@livecode.com>
	<9a366433-b23b-0cab-5a97-00a68193734c@sonic.net>
	<CA+yhkRYL0z+G6ktpKJMODzdB=UkNjvoGWvHpjZ1LYzKSd_MM4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jdRDSNHU95kWtk-gMd_5dwKzZNycBkynVYbYaRGR+WeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<073b6b8c-b70d-f11e-4c22-0106e49d58c7@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1hXOEC9eun3JqWQyTQ68iZ2D6U=XfpSA7u3cB+7vpK4UQ@mail.gmail.com>

revIDEExtensions gives info on all the installed extensions, user or
otherwise (I guess it's the revIDE prefix that makes it sound like it
doesn't).

Yes, it is going to be documented some day! Hopefully when there are more
resources available to sort out documenting the IDE.


On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:17 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 01/10/2018 12:37 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> > Brian is correct, this is a temporary use of the lcdoc stuff for script
> > libraries to contain info that would be contained in its manifest.
> >
> > Rather than worrying about what information comes from where, it would
> > probably be best to use the revIDEExtensions function which returns all
> the
> > 'metadata' associated with extensions (both lcb and lcs). Although
> > admittedly that doesn't yet contain information about public handlers in
> > script library extensions.
>
> Thanks for that! revIDEExtensions() looks almost useful. Is there
> something similar for user extensions? Is this function going to be
> documented some day?
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 10 16:59:06 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 21:59:06 +0000
Subject: OT: system recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoKajcSsdKgveywbR7T2-vR_UXt3ANeOuuq2-v-rd202w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B86E743B-D4D6-49EB-8D55-7091CDA6E5FE@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoKajcSsdKgveywbR7T2-vR_UXt3ANeOuuq2-v-rd202w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6AA08866-C4A1-4CBF-9018-C02D124F2406@iotecdigital.com>

For 4k post production, or even capture I would say that even a gigabit network may not suffice. Typically you would use a fiber channel, or as I said a high speed interface like SCSI or Thunderbolt. Unfortunately, an reliable and economical 4k capture and post production workflow is a contradiction in terms. 

Bob S


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 09:10 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bob.  Yeah I've already been stressing the need for a backup
> strategy. Possibly a combination of a freenas with zfs1 (3 drives, I
> already have most of the parts to make it work) and nextcloud as part of
> the strategy. (plus offline)  Love freenas.  (now i'm wondering if the
> network would be quick enough to work off a share)  So much to learn.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 10 17:02:36 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:02:36 +0000
Subject: OT: Why I Probably Will Never, Ever Learn HTML%
In-Reply-To: <c66a4d4a-4f3f-8656-3421-033a3b671b41@gmail.com>
References: <58AD3952-9F23-48FF-B929-123CCEAA458A@hindu.org>
	<c66a4d4a-4f3f-8656-3421-033a3b671b41@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F3841E8-85FF-4AF7-AB85-9C274F423CE5@iotecdigital.com>

I wouldn't know wht that looked like. ;-)

Bob S


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 12:22 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, that page is like most computer manual pages: written in pompous,
> over-jargonised language.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 10 17:08:29 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:08:29 +0000
Subject: Creating .ipa now that iTunes has depreciated apps.
In-Reply-To: <003701d38a3a$6df2eed0$49d8cc70$@net>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B86E743B-D4D6-49EB-8D55-7091CDA6E5FE@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoKajcSsdKgveywbR7T2-vR_UXt3ANeOuuq2-v-rd202w@mail.gmail.com>
	<003701d38a3a$6df2eed0$49d8cc70$@net>
Message-ID: <4A20EDDB-BF5D-4DF7-9E14-914B95A61576@iotecdigital.com>

I love a balanced IPA. ;-)

Bob S


> On Jan 10, 2018, at 09:42 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Well I finally updated iTunes and lost the ability to create an .ipa. I made
> a right click context item in finder to get one click .ipa creation back.
> 
> If anyone want this:
> 
> 1) Open up the Automater
> 2) Create new
> 3) Select "Run Shell Script" from left pane
> 4) Change "Pass input:" to "as arguments"
> 5) Paste in this script
> 
> current_path=$(dirname "$1")
> cd "$current_path"
> 
> for f in "$@"
> do
> mkdir Payload
> cp -r "$f" Payload/
> base=$(basename $f)
> base2="${base%.*}"
> zip -r "$base2".zip Payload/
> mv "$base2".zip "$base2".ipa
> rm -R Payload/
> done
> 
> 
> 6) Save and name it "Create ipa"
> 
> 
> That's it.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 17:15:04 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 15:15:04 -0700
Subject: OT: system recommendation
In-Reply-To: <6AA08866-C4A1-4CBF-9018-C02D124F2406@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B86E743B-D4D6-49EB-8D55-7091CDA6E5FE@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoKajcSsdKgveywbR7T2-vR_UXt3ANeOuuq2-v-rd202w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6AA08866-C4A1-4CBF-9018-C02D124F2406@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpFRO4uZO-LZiauaLbYi3-7iWsxHSsXjsVoEoX0KxVbMw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks much Bob.  There is a definite adjustment being made in budget on
this.  Throwing money at a system that will "almost" work would be a very
bad thing.  I've been researching 10g ethernet, prices (for used cards, as
well as a couple new) are coming down which is nice, but costs are still
relatively high for us poor folk out here in the middle of nowhere.  I
think between you, and the reading and youtubing I've been doing i'm much
closer to understanding enough to help them decide.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> For 4k post production, or even capture I would say that even a gigabit
> network may not suffice. Typically you would use a fiber channel, or as I
> said a high speed interface like SCSI or Thunderbolt. Unfortunately, an
> reliable and economical 4k capture and post production workflow is a
> contradiction in terms.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 2018, at 09:10 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Bob.  Yeah I've already been stressing the need for a backup
> > strategy. Possibly a combination of a freenas with zfs1 (3 drives, I
> > already have most of the parts to make it work) and nextcloud as part of
> > the strategy. (plus offline)  Love freenas.  (now i'm wondering if the
> > network would be quick enough to work off a share)  So much to learn.
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jan 10 17:24:22 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 23:24:22 +0100
Subject: where are Livecode crash logs stored?
In-Reply-To: <35882274-4BB9-4414-A2C0-5A9C5F62C382@major-k.de>
References: <03676602-DD8F-43CB-8BD4-862CD7FB6BA8@m-r-d.de>
	<A501F4F7-4368-41D0-8FD8-D55F0D7B53A8@major-k.de>
	<DA7F9E0C-ED7E-4B64-A4FB-E8AF8125A529@m-r-d.de>
	<35882274-4BB9-4414-A2C0-5A9C5F62C382@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <3DAD7B17-3CA0-43CC-B1F3-B457F21C0E58@m-r-d.de>

No, nothing. 

Anyway, i am a bit further and do not need a crash log anymore.

Thanks Klaus.

Regards,

Matthias Rebbe
Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?

> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:43 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
>> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:27 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> Thanks Klaus,
>> ~/Library/Logs/RunRev lists only the 	file LivecodeToolsLog.txt
>> and  ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is empty.
> 
> hmm, I have some crash logs in my "DiagnosticReports" folder, so this was my first idea.
> 
> Please open "Konsole" (im Ordner Dienstprogramme) and see if it lists any LC crash log somewhere.
> If yes, right-click on the entry  if possible and select "Show in Finder".
> 
>> Matthias
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de <http://www.major-k.de/>
> klaus at major-k.de <mailto:klaus at major-k.de>
> 
> 
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Tel +49 5741 310000
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Wed Jan 10 17:31:36 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 23:31:36 +0100
Subject: TextEditWidget-Basic v0.9.9
Message-ID: <DDE945B0-AA3F-4926-9F70-04E9B2752AA7@hyperhh.de>

This is a still very basic TextEdit widget for LC 8 (8.1.5 and later).
From several reasons I don't publish a LC 9 version of the widget.
[The widget is the 'widget version' of stack "HHTextEdit-Basic".]

It uses libbrowser and essential handlers of the browser widget source.
It has NO dependencies (i.e. no extern JS libs to download, uses vanilla
JS and CSS3 via libbrowser).

Download the zip-file from here, unzip it and locate it from the
LC Menubar > Tools > Extensions Manager using the plus at top right:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p=162504#p162504

The widget has 40 properties available: Text, Filter (blur, sepia etc.)
and Transforms (rotate3D etc.). You can get/set these props by ordinary
script or in the property inspector.

The widget runs here without problems, even better than the stack
version (that uses the browser widget), on

*** Mac 10.12/Win 7+10/linux (Mint173-32bit and Ubuntu 1604-64bit) ***




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 10 17:38:14 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 16:38:14 -0600
Subject: where are Livecode crash logs stored?
In-Reply-To: <35882274-4BB9-4414-A2C0-5A9C5F62C382@major-k.de>
References: <03676602-DD8F-43CB-8BD4-862CD7FB6BA8@m-r-d.de>
	<A501F4F7-4368-41D0-8FD8-D55F0D7B53A8@major-k.de>
	<DA7F9E0C-ED7E-4B64-A4FB-E8AF8125A529@m-r-d.de>
	<35882274-4BB9-4414-A2C0-5A9C5F62C382@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <6e1e8175-86fd-431c-591c-b7bd52ca4ec5@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/10/18 1:43 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Matthias,
> 
>> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:27 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>
>> Thanks Klaus,
>> ~/Library/Logs/RunRev lists only the 	file LivecodeToolsLog.txt
>> and  ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is empty.
> 
> hmm, I have some crash logs in my "DiagnosticReports" folder, so this was my first idea.
> 
> Please open "Konsole" (im Ordner Dienstprogramme) and see if it lists any LC crash log somewhere.
> If yes, right-click on the entry  if possible and select "Show in Finder".

Sorry to piggyback, I don't have the original post. But a freeze isn't a 
crash, so there won't be a log. The user quit the app manually, even if 
it was a force-quit. It could be the result of LC getting into some kind 
of infinite loop, or somethng in the stack scripts.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jan 10 17:50:46 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:50:46 -0800
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1hXOEC9eun3JqWQyTQ68iZ2D6U=XfpSA7u3cB+7vpK4UQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<4db99078cf06268e2eae3ffab3f11631@livecode.com>
	<9a366433-b23b-0cab-5a97-00a68193734c@sonic.net>
	<CA+yhkRYL0z+G6ktpKJMODzdB=UkNjvoGWvHpjZ1LYzKSd_MM4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jdRDSNHU95kWtk-gMd_5dwKzZNycBkynVYbYaRGR+WeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<073b6b8c-b70d-f11e-4c22-0106e49d58c7@sonic.net>
	<CAJR0Q1hXOEC9eun3JqWQyTQ68iZ2D6U=XfpSA7u3cB+7vpK4UQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a08df547-f2af-fc35-6463-c96eecf093cc@sonic.net>

On 01/10/2018 01:52 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> revIDEExtensions gives info on all the installed extensions, user or
> otherwise (I guess it's the revIDE prefix that makes it sound like it
> doesn't).

Yeah, I got thrown off by that and didn't dig down far enough to see the 
user extensions in the mix. So iterating through

put revIDEExtensions() into tArray
repeat for each element tExtension in tArray
   put tExtension["ide"] into tIsBuiltIn
   ...

will distinguish between built-in and user extensions?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 10 17:56:39 2018
From: richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net (Richard Burkett)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:56:39 -0800
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11787.1515612030.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.11787.1515612030.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDAF81A2-EE24-452F-8725-A7A33F57C77D@sbcglobal.net>

Thank you, Paul!
I finally got this to work in my test stack using the script below. Note that it has the change to ?set the rawClipBoardData to empty? instead of just ?set the ClipBoardData to empty? - that seemed to be necessary at least in LC 8.1.3 with Mac OS X 10.12.8 Sierra which I have to use as my scripts of my main app don?t compile or run correctly at this point with more recent versions of LiveCode (but that?s another issue).

on mouseUp
   put fld "myField" into tClip
   lock the clipBoard
   set the ClipboardData to empty
   set the ClipboardData to tClip
   put the clipboardData["text"] into tClip
   set the rawclipBoardData to empty
   if the platform is "MacOS" then
      set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
            to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" )   -- OSX
   else if the platform is "Linux" then
      set the rawClipboardData["text/plain;charset=utf-8"] \
            to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" ) -- Linux
   else if the platform contains "Win" then
      set the rawClipboardData["CF_UNICODE"] \
            to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-16" ) -- Windows
   end if
   unlock the clipBoard
end mouseUp

Quietly laughing here as I had to copy the script from LC script editor to text edit to avoid having double spacing!

Richard

Richard Burkett
richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net

> On Jan 10, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Paul Hibbert wrote:
> 
> This works for me with LC9.0.0(dp11) on MacOS High Sierra 10.13.2:
> 
>   lock the clipBoard
>   put the clipboardData["text"] into tClip
>   set the clipBoardData to empty
>    -- OSX
>   set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
>         to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" )
>   unlock the clipBoard
>   -- Now Go Paste in Apple Mail
> 
> For an in-depth explanation check the ?rawClipboardData" in the dictionary.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 7:20 AM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the suggestion, Jacqueline, but it didn?t change anything. Anyone else have a script-based solution to make sure LiveCode pastes only plain text? ASCII, Native, MacRoman - none of those text encodings work. 
>> Even putting only this line in my script results in the same thing:
>> set the clipboarddata to ( "blah" & lf & "blah" & lf & "blah" & cr & "blah" & cr & "blah" & return & "blah" )
>> 
>> What?s different about text set in the clipboard in LiveCode from other text copied from other Mac apps?
>> 
>> Richard Burkett
>> richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net <mailto:richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net>
>> 
>>> On 1/9/18 12:09 PM, Richard Burkett via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
>>>> 
>>>> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a way to filter/remove that?
>>> 
>>> I don't have a good way to test this, but try:
>>> 
>>> set the clipboardData to textEncode(the clipboardData,"native")
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com> <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>>
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/ <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>>



From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Wed Jan 10 19:00:37 2018
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 00:00:37 +0000
Subject: Do widgets support introspection?
In-Reply-To: <a08df547-f2af-fc35-6463-c96eecf093cc@sonic.net>
References: <EF8953F8-B0A4-4557-9558-613C737C2083@hyperhh.de>
	<b41a5deb-826b-4ff5-bd78-1b327baa29f5@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtqSF6yQgWbWeeqkh2_GE=LCg+fENhkC-0im6nzQYhbC8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa14d20f-b400-f15e-c5ae-7229c94a2cb3@sonic.net>
	<223fe98935adddaeba9ef9ae894e7512@livecode.com>
	<d2714d1b-9c66-fb04-2111-090297c58a74@sonic.net>
	<4db99078cf06268e2eae3ffab3f11631@livecode.com>
	<9a366433-b23b-0cab-5a97-00a68193734c@sonic.net>
	<CA+yhkRYL0z+G6ktpKJMODzdB=UkNjvoGWvHpjZ1LYzKSd_MM4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jdRDSNHU95kWtk-gMd_5dwKzZNycBkynVYbYaRGR+WeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<073b6b8c-b70d-f11e-4c22-0106e49d58c7@sonic.net>
	<CAJR0Q1hXOEC9eun3JqWQyTQ68iZ2D6U=XfpSA7u3cB+7vpK4UQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<a08df547-f2af-fc35-6463-c96eecf093cc@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1hMjH+gKZSYbwDreKufGRGBV-xeCd_BocGHtM5auXX=nQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yep. At some point it might be good to put add a general filtering
parameter.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 10:50 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 01/10/2018 01:52 PM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode wrote:
> > revIDEExtensions gives info on all the installed extensions, user or
> > otherwise (I guess it's the revIDE prefix that makes it sound like it
> > doesn't).
>
> Yeah, I got thrown off by that and didn't dig down far enough to see the
> user extensions in the mix. So iterating through
>
> put revIDEExtensions() into tArray
> repeat for each element tExtension in tArray
>    put tExtension["ide"] into tIsBuiltIn
>    ...
>
> will distinguish between built-in and user extensions?
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From christer at mindcrea.com  Wed Jan 10 19:05:40 2018
From: christer at mindcrea.com (=?utf-8?Q?Pyyhti=C3=A4_Christer?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 02:05:40 +0200
Subject: mobilePickDate
Message-ID: <8EAE7236-2A81-42F0-8E3F-9C94570017AA@mindcrea.com>

The dictionary states the result from mobilePickDate is in seconds.

The reality with Android the result is in format mm/dd/yy.

Is this known error in documentation?


Christer Pyyhti?
MindCrea Ltd
christer at mindcrea.com




From hlowe at me.com  Wed Jan 10 21:17:41 2018
From: hlowe at me.com (hlowe)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 19:17:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?iTunes_Connect_claims_iOS_app_w?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?asn=E2=80=99t_built_with_the_iOS_11_SDK!?=
Message-ID: <1515637061155-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

We updated our ICD-10-CM-2018 iOS app to support the iPhone X screen
resolution and layout. As we now support the 5.8 Inch iPhone X screen, we
added 5.8 inch iPhone screen shots. On submitting the updated app version
for review we received the message below from iTunes Connect:

"The app previews and screenshots for the iPhone 5.8-Inch display won?t
appear on the App Store because your binary wasn?t built with the iOS 11
SDK."

We are using LC 8.1.9 (rc 1) and Xcode 9.2. In the iOS Standalone
Application Settings we chose 'Build for iOS iPod, iPhone and iPad 10.3 or
later'. The app runs fine on the Xcode iPhone X simulator, so I assume it
was built with the iOS 11 SDK.

Any idea what is up? This presumably means that our app may not be visible
to users running iOS 11?

Looking at the info.plist of the app I see the following:

</array>
	<key>DTCompiler</key>
	<string>com.apple.compilers.llvm.clang.1_0</string>
	<key>DTPlatformBuild</key>
	<string>12B411</string>
	<key>DTPlatformName</key>
	<string>iphoneos</string>
	<key>DTPlatformVersion</key>
	<string>8.1</string>
	<key>DTSDKBuild</key>
	<string>12B411</string>
	<key>DTSDKName</key>
	<string>iphoneos8.1</string>
	<key>DTXcode</key>
	<string>0610</string>
	<key>DTXcodeBuild</key>
	<string>6A1052c</string>
	<key>CFBundleDisplayName</key>
		<string>ICD-10-CM-2018</string>
	<key>MinimumOSVersion</key>
		<string>10.3</string>
	<key>UIDeviceFamily</key>
	<array>
		<integer>1</integer><integer>2</integer>
	</array>

Henry

Ascriva Health Informatics 

https://www.ascriva.com



--
Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html



From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan 10 23:48:28 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 22:48:28 -0600
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <EDAF81A2-EE24-452F-8725-A7A33F57C77D@sbcglobal.net>
References: <mailman.11787.1515612030.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<EDAF81A2-EE24-452F-8725-A7A33F57C77D@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYw0xaaMa5Zkdm3ys0r-S8TjhAVKo34HrHRs+4q7dCx1A@mail.gmail.com>

You may be able to simplify it to this:

*on* stripClipboard

*local* tData

*lock* the clipboard

*put* the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] into tData

*set* the rawClipboardData to empty

*set* the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] to tData

*unlock* the clipboard

*end* stripClipboard


Here is the same thing pasted after calling that handler:

on stripClipboard
   local tData
   lock the clipboard
   put the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] into tData
   set the rawClipboardData to empty
   set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] to tData
   unlock the clipboard
end stripClipboard


I'm not sure how much will come through the list server, but the first
version had colors and looks double spaced (but it is actually paragraph
html tags causing the extra space).  The indents were missing.  The second
one is plain text without any extra space and indents were preserved.  I
selected the script from the LC SE and used cmd-C to copy.  I then used
cmd-V to paste it at the top.  I then went to LC and called the handler.
Next I used cmd-V to paste it the second time.  I'm using Gmail in Chrome
to draft the email.  The code is from LC 9 DP 11 running on Sierra.

I think that the problem is that the clipboard is getting filled with many
different versions of the same text.  Some applications are better about
selecting the best version to paste than others.  The original solution and
mine above essentially force the clipboard to only contain a single version
of the data in our chosen format.

Here's your function modified to use the same principle.  To test, I pasted
the code into the field (so it shows formatted with coloring).  I then
clicked the button and pasted into this email.  I only tested on Mac though.

on mouseUp
   local tClip, tRawType

   if the platform is "MacOS" then
      put "public.utf8-plain-text" into tRawType   -- OSX
   else if the platform is "Linux" then
      put "text/plain;charset=utf-8" into tRawType -- Linux
   else if the platform contains "Win" then
      put "CF_UNICODE" into tRawType -- Windows
   end if

   put fld "myField" into tClip
   lock the clipBoard
   set the ClipboardData to tClip
   put the rawClipboardData[tRawType] into tClip
   set the rawClipboardData to empty
   set the rawClipboardData[tRawType] to tClip
   unlock the clipBoard
end mouseUp

Cheers,
Brian


From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 00:10:05 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 14:10:05 +0900
Subject: updating text of a mobile app (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxkf98r+R1xZD9miKU3dJYePaWaJ=RinMUx+NWvTFYpNMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxkf98r+R1xZD9miKU3dJYePaWaJ=RinMUx+NWvTFYpNMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkx=bOfixzszw7En6zkBW4NcFOpzkTSxKmu7qE_tONfbygg@mail.gmail.com>

Noob again.

This works on the dektop but not on an Android device:

on mouseUp
   put url "http://mysite.com/dir/file.txt" into tTextToDecode
   put textDecode(tTextToDecode,"UTF-8") into field "the text"
end mouseUp

I looked in LC dictionary "put" but only thing was "Note: The Android and
iOS engines do not support 'libUrl' but do allow you to use put in the
background. "



On 9 January 2018 at 12:01, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:

> A goal this year is to get an app (for foreign language learning) on the
> Android and iOS stores. To this end, I have begun to re-study LC8's app
> building course; LC itself I've been using for decades.
>
> Let's say my original app gets approved. In that app is a datagrid object
> list consisting of 10 vocabulary categories, the contents of  which are
> read in from a text file in specialFolderPath("documents"). A few months
> later, however, I discover more vocabulary categories are needed.
>
> What do I do? Can I somehow "download" a new text file into
> specialFolderPath("documents")? Do I have to completely update my app? Or
> something else?
>
> In the past what I've done for my desktop Windows standalones is to
> download data from my webserver over the internet. But, I imagine mobile
> apps must work differently.
>
> Hand holding very much welcome!
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
>


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Jan 11 03:00:47 2018
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (scott at elementarysoftware.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 00:00:47 -0800
Subject: where are Livecode crash logs stored?
In-Reply-To: <6e1e8175-86fd-431c-591c-b7bd52ca4ec5@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <03676602-DD8F-43CB-8BD4-862CD7FB6BA8@m-r-d.de>
	<A501F4F7-4368-41D0-8FD8-D55F0D7B53A8@major-k.de>
	<DA7F9E0C-ED7E-4B64-A4FB-E8AF8125A529@m-r-d.de>
	<35882274-4BB9-4414-A2C0-5A9C5F62C382@major-k.de>
	<6e1e8175-86fd-431c-591c-b7bd52ca4ec5@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <17CBC389-832C-4B96-B9E7-E1AFB384ECF4@elementarysoftware.com>

> On 1/10/18 1:43 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Matthias,
>>> Am 10.01.2018 um 20:27 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Klaus,
>>> ~/Library/Logs/RunRev lists only the 	file LivecodeToolsLog.txt
>>> and  ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports is empty.
>> hmm, I have some crash logs in my "DiagnosticReports" folder, so this was my first idea.
>> Please open "Konsole" (im Ordner Dienstprogramme) and see if it lists any LC crash log somewhere.
>> If yes, right-click on the entry  if possible and select "Show in Finder".
> 
> Sorry to piggyback, I don't have the original post. But a freeze isn't a crash, so there won't be a log. The user quit the app manually, even if it was a force-quit. It could be the result of LC getting into some kind of infinite loop, or somethng in the stack scripts.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

To further hijack this thread? I seem to recall Kevin demonstrating a  keyboard combination for getting LC out of some frozen states (not command - period). This was at a conference a while back (Atlantic City, perhaps) Anyone recall what the keyboard combination was?

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
office     1-800-615-0867
------------------------------------------------------


From christer at mindcrea.com  Thu Jan 11 03:01:49 2018
From: christer at mindcrea.com (=?utf-8?Q?Pyyhti=C3=A4_Christer?=)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:01:49 +0200
Subject: Text fields: text cursor & proper editing
Message-ID: <1E689149-271C-45F9-B9C5-012810D7C7A0@mindcrea.com>

It concerns the apps developed for mobile platforms; here I refer to Android as have no experience on iOS, yet.

First, on the screen the edit location cursor is a vertical line barely visible with high resolution devices.  Is there an option for example a "bold", blinking or coloured cursor?

Second, is there an editor, which allows me to click anywhere in the text in a field, and begin editing from there (with that "visible" cursor), inserting and / or deleting characters (codepoints)?

Would the answers for iOS be different from Android?


Christer Pyyhti?
MindCrea Ltd
christer at mindcrea.com




From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 03:12:55 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 08:12:55 +0000
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_iTunes_Connect_claims_iOS_app_wasn=E2=80=99t_built_wit?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?h_the_iOS_11_SDK=21?=
In-Reply-To: <1515637061155-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1515637061155-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-Fbyx_ectOrr4BLO_2DRU6i=PaT-gd2Hnzb_aMpg=4Pg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Henry,

This looks like a bug in LC. It seems that the plist entries for the
Xcode/sdk version are hardcoded in the plist template, rather than being
generated dynamically based on the actual version of the Xcode/sdk used to
build the standalone.

So in this case, the standalone is actually built with Xcode9.2 / SDK 11.2,
but the plist is not updated properly.

Could you please file a bug report so as we fix it in the next release?

Best,
Panos
--

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:17 AM, hlowe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> We updated our ICD-10-CM-2018 iOS app to support the iPhone X screen
> resolution and layout. As we now support the 5.8 Inch iPhone X screen, we
> added 5.8 inch iPhone screen shots. On submitting the updated app version
> for review we received the message below from iTunes Connect:
>
> "The app previews and screenshots for the iPhone 5.8-Inch display won?t
> appear on the App Store because your binary wasn?t built with the iOS 11
> SDK."
>
> We are using LC 8.1.9 (rc 1) and Xcode 9.2. In the iOS Standalone
> Application Settings we chose 'Build for iOS iPod, iPhone and iPad 10.3 or
> later'. The app runs fine on the Xcode iPhone X simulator, so I assume it
> was built with the iOS 11 SDK.
>
> Any idea what is up? This presumably means that our app may not be visible
> to users running iOS 11?
>
> Looking at the info.plist of the app I see the following:
>
> </array>
>         <key>DTCompiler</key>
>         <string>com.apple.compilers.llvm.clang.1_0</string>
>         <key>DTPlatformBuild</key>
>         <string>12B411</string>
>         <key>DTPlatformName</key>
>         <string>iphoneos</string>
>         <key>DTPlatformVersion</key>
>         <string>8.1</string>
>         <key>DTSDKBuild</key>
>         <string>12B411</string>
>         <key>DTSDKName</key>
>         <string>iphoneos8.1</string>
>         <key>DTXcode</key>
>         <string>0610</string>
>         <key>DTXcodeBuild</key>
>         <string>6A1052c</string>
>         <key>CFBundleDisplayName</key>
>                 <string>ICD-10-CM-2018</string>
>         <key>MinimumOSVersion</key>
>                 <string>10.3</string>
>         <key>UIDeviceFamily</key>
>         <array>
>                 <integer>1</integer><integer>2</integer>
>         </array>
>
> Henry
>
> Ascriva Health Informatics
>
> https://www.ascriva.com
>
>
>
> --
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> Revolution-User-f278306.html
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 03:48:23 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:48:23 +0200
Subject: Creating .ipa now that iTunes has depreciated apps.
In-Reply-To: <4A20EDDB-BF5D-4DF7-9E14-914B95A61576@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B86E743B-D4D6-49EB-8D55-7091CDA6E5FE@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoKajcSsdKgveywbR7T2-vR_UXt3ANeOuuq2-v-rd202w@mail.gmail.com>
	<003701d38a3a$6df2eed0$49d8cc70$@net>
	<4A20EDDB-BF5D-4DF7-9E14-914B95A61576@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <d3ae9659-f0b7-39e1-d6d6-c66231d1c70d@gmail.com>

Give me a good stout any day, as the International

Phonetic Association get on my nerves.


Richmond.


On 11.01.2018 00:08, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I love a balanced IPA. ;-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 09:42 , Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well I finally updated iTunes and lost the ability to create an .ipa. I made
>> a right click context item in finder to get one click .ipa creation back.
>>
>> If anyone want this:
>>
>> 1) Open up the Automater
>> 2) Create new
>> 3) Select "Run Shell Script" from left pane
>> 4) Change "Pass input:" to "as arguments"
>> 5) Paste in this script
>>
>> current_path=$(dirname "$1")
>> cd "$current_path"
>>
>> for f in "$@"
>> do
>> mkdir Payload
>> cp -r "$f" Payload/
>> base=$(basename $f)
>> base2="${base%.*}"
>> zip -r "$base2".zip Payload/
>> mv "$base2".zip "$base2".ipa
>> rm -R Payload/
>> done
>>
>>
>> 6) Save and name it "Create ipa"
>>
>>
>> That's it.
>>
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>
>>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jan 11 05:10:47 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 11:10:47 +0100
Subject: LC Global schedule is online
Message-ID: <E9C3C1C8-74FF-4E26-B305-55F91DD78595@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

 the schedule for the upcoming LC Global is online and it looks promising. :)

https://livecode.com/global/#schedule <https://livecode.com/global/#schedule>

Regards,
Matthias




Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?



From hh at hyperhh.de  Thu Jan 11 06:26:23 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 12:26:23 +0100
Subject: LC Global schedule is online
Message-ID: <972F0828-315E-407C-9FE5-8645902468B7@hyperhh.de>

Great.
Although the speaker "TBA" with always the same subject "Apply to speak"
will be a bit boring ...



From hlowe at me.com  Thu Jan 11 09:46:10 2018
From: hlowe at me.com (hlowe)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 07:46:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_iTunes_Connect_claims_iOS_app?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?_wasn=E2=80=99t_built_with_the_iOS_11_SDK!?=
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq-Fbyx_ectOrr4BLO_2DRU6i=PaT-gd2Hnzb_aMpg=4Pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1515637061155-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CA+JfEq-Fbyx_ectOrr4BLO_2DRU6i=PaT-gd2Hnzb_aMpg=4Pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1515681970083-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks Panos. I have created a bug report:

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20852 - Livecode not updating
iOS app plist entries to reflect Xcode/sdk version 

Henry



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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 09:50:57 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 14:50:57 +0000
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_iTunes_Connect_claims_iOS_app_wasn=E2=80=99t_built_wit?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?h_the_iOS_11_SDK=21?=
In-Reply-To: <1515681970083-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1515637061155-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CA+JfEq-Fbyx_ectOrr4BLO_2DRU6i=PaT-gd2Hnzb_aMpg=4Pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1515681970083-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_XWWrQst4SCeKr4c5SQJjZ7ueKCWBidsZ6cM_uxeO-rQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Henry :)

Best,
Panos
--

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:46 PM, hlowe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks Panos. I have created a bug report:
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20852 - Livecode not updating
> iOS app plist entries to reflect Xcode/sdk version
>
> Henry
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
> Revolution-User-f278306.html
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jan 11 10:32:33 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:32:33 +0100
Subject: Getting datagrid content from other stack in Standalone
Message-ID: <B9A58071-BCBA-44B8-B432-75774F017980@m-r-d.de>

Hi,
i am running into the following problem.
I have a datagrid on card 1 of a substack.
I can fetch this data from the mainstack w/o problems in the LC IDE and also in a standalone if the substacks are included in the executable.

But as soon as i set the  option in standalonebuilder  to "move the substacks into individual stackfiles? ii cannot fetch the data of the datagrid anymore.

What am i missing?


Regards,
Matthias

Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?



From theaford at btinternet.com  Thu Jan 11 11:13:15 2018
From: theaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:13:15 +0000
Subject: Datagrid2
Message-ID: <DDB7E916-4D83-49B2-8635-D5655DC6D5DE@btinternet.com>

I was just trying out LC9 DP11 and noted in the LC Blog that Datagrid2 is available for testing.

I am a little confused because on opening DP11 I could only find the previous Datagrid.

Is DG2 a widget or rolled into the old Datagrid format?

Is DG2 available in the community edition?

Could someone help me understand please so I may try it out.


Thanks

Terry Heaford


From mark at livecode.com  Thu Jan 11 11:20:20 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:20:20 +0100
Subject: Datagrid2
In-Reply-To: <DDB7E916-4D83-49B2-8635-D5655DC6D5DE@btinternet.com>
References: <DDB7E916-4D83-49B2-8635-D5655DC6D5DE@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <584d2311faba25816f843594b4616882@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-11 17:13, Terence Heaford via use-livecode wrote:
> I was just trying out LC9 DP11 and noted in the LC Blog that Datagrid2
> is available for testing.
> 
> I am a little confused because on opening DP11 I could only find the
> previous Datagrid.
> 
> Is DG2 a widget or rolled into the old Datagrid format?

DG2 is a background compatible upgrade to the existing DataGrid - i.e. 
so DataGrids which are used in 9-dp11+ can take advantage of the new 
features.

> Is DG2 available in the community edition?

Yes.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. Documentation on using the new features is still a little 'light' - 
Michael is currently working on some lessons to demonstrate how to use 
them.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From theaford at btinternet.com  Thu Jan 11 11:22:21 2018
From: theaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:22:21 +0000
Subject: Datagrid2
Message-ID: <1C1AC762-9785-41CA-9456-9BE3070F4F98@btinternet.com>


**** Submitted again due to incorrect address **** 
**** Apologies for previous post ****


I was just trying out LC9 DP11 and noted in the LC Blog that Datagrid2 is available for testing.

I am a little confused because on opening DP11 I could only find the previous Datagrid.

Is DG2 a widget or rolled into the old Datagrid format?

Is DG2 available in the community edition?

Could someone help me understand please so I may try it out.


Thanks

Terry Heaford


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Thu Jan 11 11:52:25 2018
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:52:25 +0000
Subject: Using this list
Message-ID: <6620A787-BE00-4556-ACD2-2E70DB9156B0@clearvisiontech.com>

Howdy!   Has anyone written an app to read, manage and reply to posts on this list?   Seems combersome (at least they way I?m doing it).   I get the list as an eMail in my inbox.  If I want to reply, you click ?Reply?.  Then you have to change the name of the eMail, then copy and paste the text from the thread you want to reply to, then you have to spend some time reformatting the text.  There must be a better way.

What are you using to write, read, manage and reply to posts from the use-livecode list?

-Dan


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 11 12:00:39 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 11:00:39 -0600
Subject: Text fields: text cursor & proper editing
In-Reply-To: <1E689149-271C-45F9-B9C5-012810D7C7A0@mindcrea.com>
References: <1E689149-271C-45F9-B9C5-012810D7C7A0@mindcrea.com>
Message-ID: <160e62a92f0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Are you using a native Android field? That's necessary for full editing 
features. The OS controls the appearance of the cursor so you can't change it.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On January 11, 2018 2:03:46 AM Pyyhti? Christer via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It concerns the apps developed for mobile platforms; here I refer to 
> Android as have no experience on iOS, yet.
>
> First, on the screen the edit location cursor is a vertical line barely 
> visible with high resolution devices.  Is there an option for example a 
> "bold", blinking or coloured cursor?
>
> Second, is there an editor, which allows me to click anywhere in the text 
> in a field, and begin editing from there (with that "visible" cursor), 
> inserting and / or deleting characters (codepoints)?
>
> Would the answers for iOS be different from Android?
>
>
> Christer Pyyhti?
> MindCrea Ltd
> christer at mindcrea.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jan 11 12:00:43 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 09:00:43 -0800
Subject: Using this list
In-Reply-To: <6620A787-BE00-4556-ACD2-2E70DB9156B0@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <6620A787-BE00-4556-ACD2-2E70DB9156B0@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <3c5d1de4-aac3-7186-13d1-aa9ab20b881a@sonic.net>

On 01/11/2018 08:52 AM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:
> Howdy!   Has anyone written an app to read, manage and reply to posts on this list?   Seems combersome (at least they way I?m doing it).   I get the list as an eMail in my inbox.  If I want to reply, you click ?Reply?.  Then you have to change the name of the eMail, then copy and paste the text from the thread you want to reply to, then you have to spend some time reformatting the text.  There must be a better way.
> 
> What are you using to write, read, manage and reply to posts from the use-livecode list?

What are you using for an email client?
I'm using Thunderbird.
Email comes in, I click Reply, email goes out.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From thatkeith at mac.com  Thu Jan 11 12:05:25 2018
From: thatkeith at mac.com (Keith Martin)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:05:25 +0000
Subject: Using this list
In-Reply-To: <3c5d1de4-aac3-7186-13d1-aa9ab20b881a@sonic.net>
References: <6620A787-BE00-4556-ACD2-2E70DB9156B0@clearvisiontech.com>
	<3c5d1de4-aac3-7186-13d1-aa9ab20b881a@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <E31839E6-E54D-4495-9B72-BE38B002F4D6@mac.com>

On 11 Jan 2018, at 17:00, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:

> I'm using Thunderbird.
> Email comes in, I click Reply, email goes out.

I use MailMate on my laptop, Mail on my iPhone. Same behaviour for me: 
click reply, type stuff, send.

k



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 12:28:49 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 10:28:49 -0700
Subject: Getting datagrid content from other stack in Standalone
In-Reply-To: <B9A58071-BCBA-44B8-B432-75774F017980@m-r-d.de>
References: <B9A58071-BCBA-44B8-B432-75774F017980@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSo76y0YOD81y-Tca2QcLem=ejaX=cc8iwgd2C9uAZ2hsw@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried something like this?  It works for me.  (though I just set
the folder to the stacks location and use only the filename of the stack)
put the dgdata of grp 1 of stack "path/to/dgstack.livecode" into tDataA


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:32 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> i am running into the following problem.
> I have a datagrid on card 1 of a substack.
> I can fetch this data from the mainstack w/o problems in the LC IDE and
> also in a standalone if the substacks are included in the executable.
>
> But as soon as i set the  option in standalonebuilder  to "move the
> substacks into individual stackfiles? ii cannot fetch the data of the
> datagrid anymore.
>
> What am i missing?
>
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
> Matthias Rebbe
> Tel +49 5741 310000
> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
>
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From merakosp at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 12:49:06 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:49:06 +0000
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_iTunes_Connect_claims_iOS_app_wasn=E2=80=99t_built_wit?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?h_the_iOS_11_SDK=21?=
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_XWWrQst4SCeKr4c5SQJjZ7ueKCWBidsZ6cM_uxeO-rQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1515637061155-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CA+JfEq-Fbyx_ectOrr4BLO_2DRU6i=PaT-gd2Hnzb_aMpg=4Pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1515681970083-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CA+JfEq_XWWrQst4SCeKr4c5SQJjZ7ueKCWBidsZ6cM_uxeO-rQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9q5qK8OzB38vAd4K7d8+ciA_ttyPeBiE57ei=rkbRPPw@mail.gmail.com>

BTW I have added a comment describing a workaround. If anyone could confirm
that it fixes the problem, it would be great :)

Panos
--

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:50 PM, panagiotis merakos <merakosp at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Henry :)
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:46 PM, hlowe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Panos. I have created a bug report:
>>
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20852 - Livecode not updating
>> iOS app plist entries to reflect Xcode/sdk version
>>
>> Henry
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-
>> User-f278306.html
>>
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>
>


From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Jan 11 13:51:28 2018
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:51:28 -0200
Subject: LC Global schedule is online
In-Reply-To: <972F0828-315E-407C-9FE5-8645902468B7@hyperhh.de>
References: <972F0828-315E-407C-9FE5-8645902468B7@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwT=_ewZgwwSJuNKx9bW19+B-32gqK7Y6kXnqjcv01iuHRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Friends,

Just to let you know that I am speaking this year and I would love to have
more people board the "decentralization" train with me :-P

"choo-choo, where we're going, there are no tracks!"

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 9:26 AM, hh via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Great.
> Although the speaker "TBA" with always the same subject "Apply to speak"
> will be a bit boring ...
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jan 11 14:06:39 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:06:39 +0100
Subject: Browser widget and revbrowserback/revbrowserforward
In-Reply-To: <635BE4BD-1761-4775-902F-B2C9AB2427AB@major-k.de>
References: <635BE4BD-1761-4775-902F-B2C9AB2427AB@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <DBC62540-C263-4086-B3E4-E5B5A25B01EE@major-k.de>

Hi Klaus,

> Am 10.01.2018 um 19:52 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> a user in the forum asked this questio and I would also like to know :-)
> 
> With "revbrowser...." we had a simple command to browser the browser
> history: revBrowserBack and RevBrowserForward
> Is there a similar feature in the Browser Widget?
> 
> Thanks for any hint!

...
go forward in widget "el browsero"
...
go back in widget "el browsero"
...


Best

Klaus

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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Jan 11 14:23:29 2018
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:23:29 -0200
Subject: OT: Why I Probably Will Never, Ever Learn HTML%
In-Reply-To: <1F3841E8-85FF-4AF7-AB85-9C274F423CE5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <58AD3952-9F23-48FF-B929-123CCEAA458A@hindu.org>
	<c66a4d4a-4f3f-8656-3421-033a3b671b41@gmail.com>
	<1F3841E8-85FF-4AF7-AB85-9C274F423CE5@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTmwkg+6r4vMxfNTKiZ+JSZ1J0sJdk=ZO5Cm5xLmUpk44g@mail.gmail.com>

Swami,

You choose a topic that is really really advanced. React is not an easy or
lightweight framework, specially when you use it like most advanced web
developers do by using the flow architecture. Once you go through that
path, integration with other frameworks becomes really hard. For example,
React uses a virtual DOM, jQuery does direct DOM manipulation, integrating
them both is quite tricky. React + Flow uses a variation of the SAM pattern
for holding data which is radically different than what we LC are used to,
and also integration with backbone becomes trickier as backbone wants to
manage data.

The Web is basically its own operating system these days, there are easy
frameworks and hard frameworks. The JS community enjoys using a TON of
small libraries piled up like a castle of cards. Knowing how to build these
castles requires some work but it is not hard, it is more tedious than hard.

The good thing is that in JS land there are always alternatives. There are
multiple ways of solving anything, to the point that choosing to adopt a
solution is part of the problem. Personally, I don't enjoy React even
though Mozilla uses it a lot inside the new Firefox. I prefer Mithril JS or
Vue JS, both of which are very advanced but IMHO easier to work with.

One thing that is unique to the Web is that you can go from simple HTML +
CSS without any JS and have something useful that provides value to you and
your audience all the way to something that requires a PhD to understand.
There is space for everyone and the web grows with you.

Thats why LC web deployment (specially with new WASM stuff) will prove
quite a good thing, it will allow many of us to leap into the largest
deployment target ever.

om om
andre

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't know wht that looked like. ;-)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 2018, at 12:22 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, that page is like most computer manual pages: written in pompous,
> > over-jargonised language.
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 11 14:50:53 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 11:50:53 -0800
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <EDAF81A2-EE24-452F-8725-A7A33F57C77D@sbcglobal.net>
References: <EDAF81A2-EE24-452F-8725-A7A33F57C77D@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <9da287fc-7562-f9ff-70bf-a8884c237b0d@fourthworld.com>

Richard Burkett wrote:

 > on mouseUp
 >    put fld "myField" into tClip
 >    lock the clipBoard
 >    set the ClipboardData to empty
 >    set the ClipboardData to tClip
 >    put the clipboardData["text"] into tClip
 >    set the rawclipBoardData to empty
 >    if the platform is "MacOS" then
 >       set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
 >             to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" )   -- OSX
 >    else if the platform is "Linux" then
 >       set the rawClipboardData["text/plain;charset=utf-8"] \
 >             to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" ) -- Linux
 >    else if the platform contains "Win" then
 >       set the rawClipboardData["CF_UNICODE"] \
 >             to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-16" ) -- Windows
 >    end if
 >    unlock the clipBoard
 > end mouseUp

Nice, but not as nice as:

   copy

I appreciate that we have the flexibility to do arcane things with the 
Clipboard when needed, but shouldn't the copy command handle the most 
common cases without requiring new users to research and experiment in 
the hope of arriving at the above block of code?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From heather at livecode.com  Thu Jan 11 15:19:30 2018
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:19:30 +0000
Subject: LC Global schedule is online
In-Reply-To: <972F0828-315E-407C-9FE5-8645902468B7@hyperhh.de>
References: <972F0828-315E-407C-9FE5-8645902468B7@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <5EAF667D-9382-4AB6-B635-24806D251B21@livecode.com>

Well, indeed, Mr TBA is currently overworked. Would anyone like to step up and relieve him of the pressure?

Apply to Speak:

https://livecode.com/global/apply/ <https://livecode.com/global/apply/>

:)

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 11 Jan 2018, at 11:26, hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Great.
> Although the speaker "TBA" with always the same subject "Apply to speak"
> will be a bit boring ...
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Thu Jan 11 15:43:34 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:43:34 +0000
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <9da287fc-7562-f9ff-70bf-a8884c237b0d@fourthworld.com>
References: <EDAF81A2-EE24-452F-8725-A7A33F57C77D@sbcglobal.net>
	<9da287fc-7562-f9ff-70bf-a8884c237b0d@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRahbiHMmR8yR0nOEqbr8p_3Ejtnbj+pYGiOjqiFqL7p+Q@mail.gmail.com>

The problem in this case is the HTML format data (and possibly RTF) on the
clipboard. Testing in Windows, if I just put the LC styled text and plain
text on the clipboard, it works to get plain text outside of LC but retain
formatting inside. If I try to paste the RTF or LC data into Excel, I just
get a beep. HTML gives the double space text. The plain text formats work
as expected. So if the destination application accepts HTML, that is what
it takes.

This does not mean that the clipboard data is necessarily correct right
now. I?m not sure wrapping single spaced text in <P> tags is correct. I?m
not an expert there, so this may be an area that could be improved.
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:51 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Richard Burkett wrote:
>
>  > on mouseUp
>  >    put fld "myField" into tClip
>  >    lock the clipBoard
>  >    set the ClipboardData to empty
>  >    set the ClipboardData to tClip
>  >    put the clipboardData["text"] into tClip
>  >    set the rawclipBoardData to empty
>  >    if the platform is "MacOS" then
>  >       set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
>  >             to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" )   -- OSX
>  >    else if the platform is "Linux" then
>  >       set the rawClipboardData["text/plain;charset=utf-8"] \
>  >             to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" ) -- Linux
>  >    else if the platform contains "Win" then
>  >       set the rawClipboardData["CF_UNICODE"] \
>  >             to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-16" ) -- Windows
>  >    end if
>  >    unlock the clipBoard
>  > end mouseUp
>
> Nice, but not as nice as:
>
>    copy
>
> I appreciate that we have the flexibility to do arcane things with the
> Clipboard when needed, but shouldn't the copy command handle the most
> common cases without requiring new users to research and experiment in
> the hope of arriving at the above block of code?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 11 16:41:38 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:41:38 -0500
Subject: LC Global schedule is online
In-Reply-To: <5EAF667D-9382-4AB6-B635-24806D251B21@livecode.com>
References: <972F0828-315E-407C-9FE5-8645902468B7@hyperhh.de>
	<5EAF667D-9382-4AB6-B635-24806D251B21@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMU4QMVT0Go0YK4vz6FZS_nZYGPpX3yCXjRpFncUyCRDw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a couple of ideas on how to waste an hour of everyone's time, but I
didn't think I could have it done by January, so I'm glad I can
procrastinate a while longer.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Heather Laine via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Well, indeed, Mr TBA is currently overworked. Would anyone like to step up
> and relieve him of the pressure?
>
> Apply to Speak:
>
> https://livecode.com/global/apply/ <https://livecode.com/global/apply/>
>
> :)
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
>
>
>
> > On 11 Jan 2018, at 11:26, hh via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Great.
> > Although the speaker "TBA" with always the same subject "Apply to speak"
> > will be a bit boring ...
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Jan 11 17:22:38 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:22:38 +0000
Subject: Creating .ipa now that iTunes has depreciated apps.
In-Reply-To: <4A20EDDB-BF5D-4DF7-9E14-914B95A61576@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B86E743B-D4D6-49EB-8D55-7091CDA6E5FE@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoKajcSsdKgveywbR7T2-vR_UXt3ANeOuuq2-v-rd202w@mail.gmail.com>
	<003701d38a3a$6df2eed0$49d8cc70$@net>
	<4A20EDDB-BF5D-4DF7-9E14-914B95A61576@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <E1FA3894-9B70-41AB-B3E8-671331A5DF2A@hindu.org>

Or (shameless promotion) 

If you have a select group of registered iOS devices in your profile and you don't want to deal with iTunes connect at all for beta testing 

pay Jacque the reasonable fee for her AirLaunch  "be done with it" 

http://www.hyperactivesw.com/airlaunch/index.html

Then enjoy your IPA while AirLaunch makes Apple's IPA and the web page you send to your beta testers to open on Safari on their phones? "No Apple Corp in between" [sic] 

On 1/10/18, 12:08 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    I love a balanced IPA. ;-)
    
    Bob S


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jan 11 17:47:10 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 23:47:10 +0100
Subject: Creating .ipa now that iTunes has depreciated apps.
In-Reply-To: <E1FA3894-9B70-41AB-B3E8-671331A5DF2A@hindu.org>
References: <CAG1cpSpo5zZ4UPO+n_JKQTBHOeuNtCCBVSoWwqNNQAg=+Abmxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B86E743B-D4D6-49EB-8D55-7091CDA6E5FE@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoKajcSsdKgveywbR7T2-vR_UXt3ANeOuuq2-v-rd202w@mail.gmail.com>
	<003701d38a3a$6df2eed0$49d8cc70$@net>
	<4A20EDDB-BF5D-4DF7-9E14-914B95A61576@iotecdigital.com>
	<E1FA3894-9B70-41AB-B3E8-671331A5DF2A@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <662D3C9F-1873-4EEB-A0BB-A665D63E06A8@m-r-d.de>

I second that. AirLaunch makes it really easy to create and share the .ipa

Matthias


Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?

> Am 11.01.2018 um 23:22 schrieb Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Or (shameless promotion) 
> 
> If you have a select group of registered iOS devices in your profile and you don't want to deal with iTunes connect at all for beta testing 
> 
> pay Jacque the reasonable fee for her AirLaunch  "be done with it" 
> 
> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/airlaunch/index.html <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/airlaunch/index.html>
> 
> Then enjoy your IPA while AirLaunch makes Apple's IPA and the web page you send to your beta testers to open on Safari on their phones? "No Apple Corp in between" [sic] 
> 
> On 1/10/18, 12:08 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com> on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>    I love a balanced IPA. ;-)
> 
>    Bob S
> 
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From warren at warrensweb.us  Thu Jan 11 18:17:15 2018
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:17:15 -0600
Subject: Using this list
In-Reply-To: <6620A787-BE00-4556-ACD2-2E70DB9156B0@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <6620A787-BE00-4556-ACD2-2E70DB9156B0@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <0496322d-ec1a-8b53-147f-722eba66ce3e@warrensweb.us>

On 01/11/2018 10:52 AM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode wrote:
>   I get the list as an eMail in my inbox.  If I want to reply, you click ?Reply?.  Then you have to change the name of the eMail, then copy and paste the text from the thread you want to reply to, then you have to spend some time reformatting the text.  There must be a better way.


It sounds like you're receiving the digest version. That would cause all 
of these difficulties.

I would suggest a better way is to just subscribe to receive individual 
messages as they are posted and have your email client filter them to a 
folder devoted to just this list's messages. Your client probably has a 
facility to group the messages in threads, although between people who 
are responding to a digest post, and people who are too lazy to start a 
new thread when they post a new topic, this is a little hit or miss, 
depending on whether your client looks at the message ID or the message 
subject to sort the messages to threads. At any rate this is a better 
solution and should allow you to simply hit reply and be done and of 
course you can copy relevant text before you reply to save you time 
editing the quoted text that accompanies your reply.

Good Luck,

Warren



From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Jan 11 23:37:55 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:37:55 +0900
Subject: libUrlDownloadToFile: desktop ok, Android no
Message-ID: <CAGeTkx=JXLcNFT71_UpSMYqu=To0C_NzofCTKinKnTX_Uf2+Rg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello.

Below is the script used to download a text file. Which works on the
Windows desktop. But on my Nexus 5, "error" is returned by the  script
commands "log" and "logflushbuffer".

Why oh why ...

Help! please.

---------------------------

BUTTON SCRIPT

on mouseUp
   put empty into the last field
   libUrlDownloadToFile binURL(), specialFolderPath("documents") \
         & slash & "dictionary.txt", "urlDownloadStatus"
   log "started download of" && binURL()
end mouseUp

on urlDownloadStatus pUrl, pStatus
   log pStatus && pUrl
end urlDownloadStatus


CARD SCRIPT

local sLogBuffer
local sLogBuffering="false"

on log pMsg
   put pMsg & return after sLogBuffer
   if not sLogBuffering then logFlushBuffer
end log

on logFlushBuffer
   put sLogBuffer after field "logField"
   put empty into sLogBuffer
   set the vscroll of field "logfield" to 65536
end logFlushBuffer

on clearLog
   put empty into field "logField"
   put empty into sLogBuffer
end clearLog

on logStartBuffer
   put true into sLogBuffering
end logStartBuffer

on logEndBuffer
   logFlushBuffer
   put false into sLogBuffering
end logEndBuffer

--------

on preOpenCard
   if the environment is not "mobile" then
      libUrlSetStatusCallback "urlProgressCallback", the long ID of me
   end if
   pass preOpenCard
end preOpenCard

on closeCard
   if the environment is not "mobile" then
      libUrlSetStatusCallback
   end if
end closeCard

on urlProgressCallback pStatus, pURL
   urlProgress (item 1 of pStatus), pURL, (item 2 of pStatus), (item 3 of
pStatus)
end urlProgressCallback

on urlProgress pURL, pStatus, pRecieved, pTotal
   if pStatus is "loading" then
      logStartBuffer
   else
      logEndBuffer
   end if
   log pStatus && pURL && pRecieved && pTotal
end urlProgress

local sURL = "http://webserver.com/docs/UTF8_file.txt"

function binURL
   return sURL
end binURL


From preid at reidit.co.uk  Fri Jan 12 04:22:30 2018
From: preid at reidit.co.uk (Peter Reid)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:22:30 +0000
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11772.1515577131.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.11772.1515577131.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7CD8C472-4900-48BF-9BE1-215224556E06@reidit.co.uk>

Sorry, forgot to change Subject in previous posting...

Hi Richard

I found this problem was particularly annoying when trying to extract info from vCards exported from Contacts on the Mac, so I developed a tiny app in LC called vCardClipper.

I've put together a web page about this app together with download links to a Mac App and the source code.  Here's the link to this web page, help yourself:

https://www.reid-it.co.uk/downloads/downvcclip.htm

The key is to paste HTML format text into Mail replacing RETURN with "<br>" and replacing spaces with "&nbrsp;". The code is in the following handler (which is in the stack script):

on loadClipboard pPlainText, pPasteMode
   -- pPasteMode: HTML or text
   set itemDelimiter to "."
   put item 1 of the version into tLCversion
   lock the clipboard
   if tLCversion >= "8" then
      -- for LC 8.x or later:
      set the fullClipboardData to empty
      switch pPasteMode
         case "HTML"
            put pPlainText into tHTMLtext
            replace return with "<br>" in tHTMLtext
            replace space with "&nbsp;" in tHTMLtext
            set the fullClipboardData["HTML"] to "<p>" & tHTMLtext & "</p>"
            break
         case "text"
            set the fullClipboardData["text"] to pPlainText
            break
      end switch
   else
      -- for LC 7.x or earlier:
      switch pPasteMode
         case "HTML"
            put pPlainText into tHTMLtext
            replace return with "<br>" in tHTMLtext
            replace space with "&nbsp;" in tHTMLtext
            set the clipboardData["HTML"] to "<p>" & tHTMLtext & "</p>"
            break
         case "text"
            set the clipboardData["text"] to pPlainText
            break
      end switch
   end if
   unlock the clipboard
end loadClipboard


Peter
--
Peter Reid
Loughborough, UK

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 9:38am, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 10:09:51 -0800
> From: Richard Burkett <richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net>
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
> Message-ID: <BF402ECC-C11D-4526-82C2-B5267520D414 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
> 
> Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works. It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns. 
> 
> If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is there a way to filter/remove that?
> 
> Richard Burkett
> richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net





From jbv at souslelogo.com  Fri Jan 12 07:19:52 2018
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:19:52 +0100
Subject: Server-side xml validator anyone ?
Message-ID: <d0415c6a2383e9cbb8a3104cc84e8803.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>

Hi list,
I have several server-side LC scripts that transform text and data
uploaded by end users on web pages into xml to be stored in a database and
used later in other web pages or apps.
The problem is, despite all the correction scripts I have added, that
sometimes the uploaded content corrupts the xml structure. This happens
for instance when some weird UTF-8 text is uploaded.
Is there a ready-to-use piece of code that would check the conformity of
some xml data that I could include in my LC scripts ?

Thanks in advance,
jbv




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan 12 11:08:43 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:08:43 +0000
Subject: Getting datagrid content from other stack in Standalone
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSo76y0YOD81y-Tca2QcLem=ejaX=cc8iwgd2C9uAZ2hsw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9A58071-BCBA-44B8-B432-75774F017980@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSo76y0YOD81y-Tca2QcLem=ejaX=cc8iwgd2C9uAZ2hsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10F1BAED-53AC-4999-B01F-7355ADF229D9@iotecdigital.com>

Don't you mean:

put the dgdata of grp 1 of CARD 1 OF stack "path/to/dgstack.livecode" into tDataA

If you are going to be using full paths for this, I recommend using my fine functions getParentCard() and getParentStack(). 

function getParentCard pObjectID
   put offset("card id", pObjectID) into tStartChar
   put char tStartChar to -1 of pObjectID into tCardID
   return tCardID
end getParentCard

function getParentStack pObjectID
    put offset("stack ", pObjectID) into tStartChar
    put char tStartChar to -1 of pObjectID into tParentStack
    return tParentStack
end getParentStack

As you can see they are very basic. Pass a long id of the calling object and it returns the long card ID or the long name of the parent stack. Now you can do this:

put getParentCard(the long id of me) into tThisCard
put the dgData of grp 1 of tThisCard into tDataA

Bob S


> On Jan 11, 2018, at 09:28 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried something like this?  It works for me.  (though I just set
> the folder to the stacks location and use only the filename of the stack)
> put the dgdata of grp 1 of stack "path/to/dgstack.livecode" into tDataA




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan 12 11:12:40 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 16:12:40 +0000
Subject: Using this list
In-Reply-To: <0496322d-ec1a-8b53-147f-722eba66ce3e@warrensweb.us>
References: <6620A787-BE00-4556-ACD2-2E70DB9156B0@clearvisiontech.com>
	<0496322d-ec1a-8b53-147f-722eba66ce3e@warrensweb.us>
Message-ID: <1A5CEEA2-86CE-4E55-8FE9-B0E3FA6F6030@iotecdigital.com>

> On Jan 11, 2018, at 15:17 , Warren Samples via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>>  I get the list as an eMail in my inbox.  If I want to reply, you click ?Reply?.  Then you have to change the name of the eMail, then copy and paste the text from the thread you want to reply to, then you have to spend some time reformatting the text.  There must be a better way.
> 
> 
> It sounds like you're receiving the digest version. That would cause all of these difficulties.
> 
> I would suggest a better way is to just subscribe to receive individual messages as they are posted and have your email client filter them to a folder devoted to just this list's messages. 


You can do that???!?  ;-0

Bob S




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jan 12 11:54:42 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:54:42 -0700
Subject: Getting datagrid content from other stack in Standalone
In-Reply-To: <10F1BAED-53AC-4999-B01F-7355ADF229D9@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B9A58071-BCBA-44B8-B432-75774F017980@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSo76y0YOD81y-Tca2QcLem=ejaX=cc8iwgd2C9uAZ2hsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<10F1BAED-53AC-4999-B01F-7355ADF229D9@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpuv62SWSxKwCcuRcRzDeif3-+kv6PS=MFFF100_=ueVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Would this work with a stack on disk that hasn't been opened yet?

Definitely stealing your functions thx. :)

Oh, as to the OP, my first thought on why it wasn't working, is that the
stack wasn't open (hence the need to address it's on disk location), but
another thought occurred to me.  I'm wondering if the standalone auto
inclusions can be affected by moving substacks into separate stackfiles
 Perhaps the datagrid support libraries aren't being included?

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Don't you mean:
>
> put the dgdata of grp 1 of CARD 1 OF stack "path/to/dgstack.livecode" into
> tDataA
>
> If you are going to be using full paths for this, I recommend using my
> fine functions getParentCard() and getParentStack().
>
> function getParentCard pObjectID
>    put offset("card id", pObjectID) into tStartChar
>    put char tStartChar to -1 of pObjectID into tCardID
>    return tCardID
> end getParentCard
>
> function getParentStack pObjectID
>     put offset("stack ", pObjectID) into tStartChar
>     put char tStartChar to -1 of pObjectID into tParentStack
>     return tParentStack
> end getParentStack
>
> As you can see they are very basic. Pass a long id of the calling object
> and it returns the long card ID or the long name of the parent stack. Now
> you can do this:
>
> put getParentCard(the long id of me) into tThisCard
> put the dgData of grp 1 of tThisCard into tDataA
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 11, 2018, at 09:28 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Have you tried something like this?  It works for me.  (though I just set
> > the folder to the stacks location and use only the filename of the stack)
> > put the dgdata of grp 1 of stack "path/to/dgstack.livecode" into tDataA
>
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Jan 12 12:42:43 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:42:43 +0000
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <7CD8C472-4900-48BF-9BE1-215224556E06@reidit.co.uk>
References: <mailman.11772.1515577131.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<7CD8C472-4900-48BF-9BE1-215224556E06@reidit.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYsa2w0id-R+_Cu2X2Cw5RLdaQ89MPKpRq=gmTe2A=UfQ@mail.gmail.com>

So there are 2 issues with how LiveCode is handling placing text onto the
clipboard:
- converting plain text to HTML on the clipboard
- using <p> tags for each line break when converting to HTML

I?m not sure of the reasoning behind the first issue. I understand wanting
to have the native LC format for rich text, but if placing plain text on
the clipboard, I think that the user wants plain text and not HTML.

The second issue may take some additional thought/discussion. Looking at
the code, it uses the <p> tag to wrap attributes, so eliminating it
globally isn?t an option. Magic happens here:

fieldhtml.cpp / export_html_emit_paragraphs
fieldh.cpp / MCField::doexport

If it was changed to use <br> for single line breaks and only assuming a
paragraph when there are 2, that would probably take care of it in most
cases. Paragraphs are split by /n here (internal LC styled text
representation):

fieldh.cpp / MCField::texttoparagraphs

Still digging...
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 3:23 AM Peter Reid via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Sorry, forgot to change Subject in previous posting...
>
> Hi Richard
>
> I found this problem was particularly annoying when trying to extract info
> from vCards exported from Contacts on the Mac, so I developed a tiny app in
> LC called vCardClipper.
>
> I've put together a web page about this app together with download links
> to a Mac App and the source code.  Here's the link to this web page, help
> yourself:
>
> https://www.reid-it.co.uk/downloads/downvcclip.htm
>
> The key is to paste HTML format text into Mail replacing RETURN with
> "<br>" and replacing spaces with "&nbrsp;". The code is in the following
> handler (which is in the stack script):
>
> on loadClipboard pPlainText, pPasteMode
>    -- pPasteMode: HTML or text
>    set itemDelimiter to "."
>    put item 1 of the version into tLCversion
>    lock the clipboard
>    if tLCversion >= "8" then
>       -- for LC 8.x or later:
>       set the fullClipboardData to empty
>       switch pPasteMode
>          case "HTML"
>             put pPlainText into tHTMLtext
>             replace return with "<br>" in tHTMLtext
>             replace space with "&nbsp;" in tHTMLtext
>             set the fullClipboardData["HTML"] to "<p>" & tHTMLtext & "</p>"
>             break
>          case "text"
>             set the fullClipboardData["text"] to pPlainText
>             break
>       end switch
>    else
>       -- for LC 7.x or earlier:
>       switch pPasteMode
>          case "HTML"
>             put pPlainText into tHTMLtext
>             replace return with "<br>" in tHTMLtext
>             replace space with "&nbsp;" in tHTMLtext
>             set the clipboardData["HTML"] to "<p>" & tHTMLtext & "</p>"
>             break
>          case "text"
>             set the clipboardData["text"] to pPlainText
>             break
>       end switch
>    end if
>    unlock the clipboard
> end loadClipboard
>
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter Reid
> Loughborough, UK
>
> > On 10 Jan 2018, at 9:38am, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 10:09:51 -0800
> > From: Richard Burkett <richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
> > Message-ID: <BF402ECC-C11D-4526-82C2-B5267520D414 at sbcglobal.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;     charset=utf-8
> >
> > Does anyone have a solution to this problem: I set the clipboard in
> LiveCode to the text of a field or variable that has returns after each
> line. When I paste that into Mac Mail, the text appears double-spaced as if
> it has two returns, but clearly there is just one (or a combination of CR
> and LF?). I?ve tried all the keys for setting the clipboard and also
> writing a script to delete line feeds, or CR characters, but nothing works.
> It?s either no returns, or what appears to be double-spaced returns.
> >
> > If I paste the text first into Text Edit, then copy it, and paste into
> Mac Mail it?s fine - single line spacing. What?s LiveCode adding to each
> line that causes Mac Mail to show the pasted text as double spaced? Is
> there a way to filter/remove that?
> >
> > Richard Burkett
> > richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jan 12 12:55:19 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:55:19 -0800
Subject: LC Global schedule is online
In-Reply-To: <5EAF667D-9382-4AB6-B635-24806D251B21@livecode.com>
References: <972F0828-315E-407C-9FE5-8645902468B7@hyperhh.de>
	<5EAF667D-9382-4AB6-B635-24806D251B21@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <3e92e48f-8aa6-ce9c-5478-d126f47cbc84@sonic.net>

On 01/11/2018 12:19 PM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
> Well, indeed, Mr TBA is currently overworked. Would anyone like to step up and relieve him of the pressure?

I have attended several TBA sessions at various conferences over the 
years, and I can attest to the intriguing and often surprising content. 
I have rarely come away disappointed. Highly recommended.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan 12 17:44:40 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:44:40 +0000
Subject: Getting datagrid content from other stack in Standalone
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpuv62SWSxKwCcuRcRzDeif3-+kv6PS=MFFF100_=ueVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9A58071-BCBA-44B8-B432-75774F017980@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSo76y0YOD81y-Tca2QcLem=ejaX=cc8iwgd2C9uAZ2hsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<10F1BAED-53AC-4999-B01F-7355ADF229D9@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSpuv62SWSxKwCcuRcRzDeif3-+kv6PS=MFFF100_=ueVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CFC4881-26F8-48D8-A015-706E912F2434@iotecdigital.com>

If the script of an object is running, the stack it belongs to is open. If you reference an object in a closed stack (correct me if I am wrong) LC will load the stack the object belongs to into memory. 

Bob S


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 08:54 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Would this work with a stack on disk that hasn't been opened yet?




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan 12 17:48:27 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:48:27 +0000
Subject: Getting datagrid content from other stack in Standalone
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpuv62SWSxKwCcuRcRzDeif3-+kv6PS=MFFF100_=ueVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9A58071-BCBA-44B8-B432-75774F017980@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSo76y0YOD81y-Tca2QcLem=ejaX=cc8iwgd2C9uAZ2hsw@mail.gmail.com>
	<10F1BAED-53AC-4999-B01F-7355ADF229D9@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSpuv62SWSxKwCcuRcRzDeif3-+kv6PS=MFFF100_=ueVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D73229D5-CE91-495F-A9CD-032C5D947A55@iotecdigital.com>

The last one is possible. As far as substacks getting moved and breaking references, the Standalone Builder takes that into account I believe. Also, if the stack files are contained in the folder the SB creates for them, I *believe* that the engine will upon failing to find a stack reference, check that folder, otherwise the SB would have to change the references in the code wherever it found them, and that wouldn't account for stack paths stored as properties. I'm pretty sure the engine resolves those things on the fly. 

Bob S


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 08:54 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh, as to the OP, my first thought on why it wasn't working, is that the
> stack wasn't open (hence the need to address it's on disk location), but
> another thought occurred to me.  I'm wondering if the standalone auto
> inclusions can be affected by moving substacks into separate stackfiles
> Perhaps the datagrid support libraries aren't being included?




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan 12 17:51:12 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 22:51:12 +0000
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRYsa2w0id-R+_Cu2X2Cw5RLdaQ89MPKpRq=gmTe2A=UfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.11772.1515577131.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<7CD8C472-4900-48BF-9BE1-215224556E06@reidit.co.uk>
	<CA+yhkRYsa2w0id-R+_Cu2X2Cw5RLdaQ89MPKpRq=gmTe2A=UfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67B0CE28-47A4-46E2-AF09-7898D58503E1@iotecdigital.com>

Non- starter. Can't make assumptions about the end user's intent. What if what he was copying was SUPPOSED to have double line breaks or carriage returns? The complaint would be that LC was taking liberties with user's data! 

Bob S


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 09:42 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> If it was changed to use <br> for single line breaks and only assuming a
> paragraph when there are 2




From brian at milby7.com  Fri Jan 12 19:26:17 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 00:26:17 +0000
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <67B0CE28-47A4-46E2-AF09-7898D58503E1@iotecdigital.com>
References: <mailman.11772.1515577131.12941.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<7CD8C472-4900-48BF-9BE1-215224556E06@reidit.co.uk>
	<CA+yhkRYsa2w0id-R+_Cu2X2Cw5RLdaQ89MPKpRq=gmTe2A=UfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<67B0CE28-47A4-46E2-AF09-7898D58503E1@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRagTwGzfFwQdA_UBCiDYZmBfVXywP2poNPDcJH14+cRGA@mail.gmail.com>

That is precisely why we are having this conversation.  An assumption was
made that creating an HTML version of plain text was needed for the
clipboard.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Non- starter. Can't make assumptions about the end user's intent. What if
> what he was copying was SUPPOSED to have double line breaks or carriage
> returns? The complaint would be that LC was taking liberties with user's
> data!
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 12, 2018, at 09:42 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > If it was changed to use <br> for single line breaks and only assuming a
> > paragraph when there are 2
>
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From dfepstein at comcast.net  Fri Jan 12 19:48:26 2018
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:48:26 -0500
Subject: Identifying empty lines of text
Message-ID: <2F3D2A6A-5796-4C60-8578-5E21DD21F465@comcast.net>

I use ?the number of words in myString = 0? to test whether a line of text appears empty, since I want a line with only space characters to be understood as empty.
But a line of text I pasted from elsewhere contained an invisible character whose charToNum value is 202, and this was counted as a word by my script.
Is there a better way to test for a line of text that has no visible characters?
Many thanks.

David Epstein


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Jan 12 21:36:12 2018
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:36:12 -0800
Subject: Identifying empty lines of text
In-Reply-To: <2F3D2A6A-5796-4C60-8578-5E21DD21F465@comcast.net>
References: <2F3D2A6A-5796-4C60-8578-5E21DD21F465@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9214b8dd-2cee-0cc1-3f28-aa482314a629@pdslabs.net>

I wonder if the 202 value would disappear if you did this:

    put textDecode(the clipboarddata["text"], "utf8") into field 1

I don't know the answer, just putting it out there.

Phil Davis


On 1/12/18 4:48 PM, David Epstein via use-livecode wrote:
> I use ?the number of words in myString = 0? to test whether a line of text appears empty, since I want a line with only space characters to be understood as empty.
> But a line of text I pasted from elsewhere contained an invisible character whose charToNum value is 202, and this was counted as a word by my script.
> Is there a better way to test for a line of text that has no visible characters?
> Many thanks.
>
> David Epstein
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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-- 
Phil Davis



From hh at hyperhh.de  Sat Jan 13 01:14:41 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:14:41 +0100
Subject: Identifying empty lines of text
Message-ID: <2625BB71-A4EC-45FC-B1D4-2DF7F2C50AFD@hyperhh.de>

You could try to use (respects UCI word boundaries):

if the num of trueWords in myString is 0

Works here in LC 7 and later.

> I use ?the number of words in myString = 0? to test whether
> a line of text appears empty, since I want a line with only
> space characters to be understood as empty.
> But a line of text I pasted from elsewhere contained an
> invisible character whose charToNum value is 202, and this
> was counted as a word by my script.
> Is there a better way to test for a line of text that has no
> visible characters?
> Many thanks.
> 
> David Epstein




From hh at hyperhh.de  Sat Jan 13 01:26:39 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:26:39 +0100
Subject: Identifying empty lines of text
In-Reply-To: <2625BB71-A4EC-45FC-B1D4-2DF7F2C50AFD@hyperhh.de>
References: <2625BB71-A4EC-45FC-B1D4-2DF7F2C50AFD@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <E94876CB-36AC-4C72-8D17-A9BCEDE6DE3D@hyperhh.de>


> hh wrote:
> You could try to use (respects UCI word boundaries):
>     if the num of trueWords in myString is 0
> Works here in LC 7 and later.

Sorry: ICU - International Components for Unicode (not UCI).

>> I use ?the number of words in myString = 0? to test whether
>> a line of text appears empty, since I want a line with only
>> space characters to be understood as empty.
>> But a line of text I pasted from elsewhere contained an
>> invisible character whose charToNum value is 202, and this
>> was counted as a word by my script.
>> Is there a better way to test for a line of text that has no
>> visible characters?
>> Many thanks.
>> 
>> David Epstein




From niconiko at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 02:37:06 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:37:06 +0900
Subject: Android build executable on test device fails
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxmkm7FgNm=eSYX5rFHjOVgfhg9gx33UHkMgVVim3HYHbg@mail.gmail.com>

Testing on an Android device, the "Standalone builder progress" window
shows first "Building classes" and then for a brief moment "Building
executable", after which an error window reads "Unable to build app for
testing: could not open module file".

Searched the forums but no mention at all of this problem.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Sat Jan 13 06:15:37 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (MWCM)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 06:15:37 -0500
Subject: Android build executable on test device fails
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1515841202.10744.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1515841202.10744.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E709B2BF-D460-4124-AD58-03730CBA07E8@midwestcoastmedia.com>


> Testing on an Android device, the "Standalone builder progress" window
> shows first "Building classes" and then for a brief moment "Building
> executable", after which an error window reads "Unable to build app for
> testing: could not open module file".
> 
> Searched the forums but no mention at all of this problem.
> 
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> 

Someone else on the list had this problem within the week, but had a different subject for the thread. I believe their issue was some code or widget lurking around without proper inclusions. 

What version of Livecode are you compiling with? I?ve had the same problem recently with a stack that I?ve tried to compiler in 8.1.8. I fear I opened this in 9dp11 to see the new dataGrid2 in action and saved the stack without backwards compatibility. This isn?t strictly Android as I was building for iOS when the error manifested. 

?Andrew Bell



From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Jan 13 07:14:16 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:14:16 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
Message-ID: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>

Sorry this is a bit long, but it needs an accurate description IMHO.

I?ve already submitted a bug report on some strangeness with using the IDE with LC9.0.0 (dp11) on a two-screen system, with the suspicion that it was me doing something wrong - it was just very muddling. However, today I seem to have found something a bit more generic and I?d like to know if anyone else has seen it, before I start the tedious business of simplifying the issue for a bug report.

This is what I?m seeing, on a MacBook Pro running High Sierra 10.3.2. Attached to the machine is a monitor, in the logical top left position, so the mouse can travel from the Mac screen to the monitor by moving North West, as it were. The MacPro screen is 2560 x 1600 Retina (which AFAIKS means it?s acting like 1280 x 800 for normal display purposes), and the monitor is 1920 x 1080. The system is configured so that the initial Mac menu bar is on the MacPro screen (since we don?t always use the monitor).

If I open LC9, the initial screen comes up on the MacPro, as expected. I open a stack I?m working on and drag the initial display (just the first card of the first stack) to the monitor. Going back to the menu bar on the MacPro display, I open the Project Browser to see the stack details. If I click on the little plus (?+?) sign next to the stack name, the browser display unfolds to show the cards in the stack, exactly as expected. BUT if I move the Project Browser window to the monitor, the plus sign has no effect! I can still close the project browser window but I can?t activate it, whether or not I make sure that LC has the focus by clicking on my card display. If I close the Project Browser, switch to the monitor and activate LiveCode from there (for example by clicking on the mirrored menu for LC which appears at the top of the screen) and then open the Project Browser again so that it initially opens in the monitor, it works OK! If I drag the PB window back to the MacPro display, it goes on working.

This is the essence of the issue - there may be other variants with the Tool palette etc but I?m trying to keep it simple.

Does anyone else see this or know of any report? Can?t find anything in the Quality database.

TIA

Graham


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jan 13 08:08:47 2018
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:08:47 +0100
Subject: Server-side xml validator anyone ?
In-Reply-To: <d0415c6a2383e9cbb8a3104cc84e8803.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
References: <d0415c6a2383e9cbb8a3104cc84e8803.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <aaee7766-12c3-7da1-c3a1-7c05f89f95ee@economy-x-talk.com>

If your XML is UTF8-enconded and your UTF8 data is correct, it will 
work. Your probably isn't invalid XML but either a problem with the 
encoding of the entire file or a particular string.

The best way to validate XML on your server is to install a little 
command line utility and use the shell function.


Op 12-01-18 om 13:19 schreef jbv via use-livecode:
> Hi list,
> I have several server-side LC scripts that transform text and data
> uploaded by end users on web pages into xml to be stored in a database and
> used later in other web pages or apps.
> The problem is, despite all the correction scripts I have added, that
> sometimes the uploaded content corrupts the xml structure. This happens
> for instance when some weird UTF-8 text is uploaded.
> Is there a ready-to-use piece of code that would check the conformity of
> some xml data that I could include in my LC scripts ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> jbv
>




From jbv at souslelogo.com  Sat Jan 13 08:43:10 2018
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:43:10 +0100
Subject: Server-side xml validator anyone ?
In-Reply-To: <aaee7766-12c3-7da1-c3a1-7c05f89f95ee@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <d0415c6a2383e9cbb8a3104cc84e8803.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
	<aaee7766-12c3-7da1-c3a1-7c05f89f95ee@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <580a54e4bd11b559f7caa11d25bd0c9b.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>

On Sat, January 13, 2018 2:08 pm, Mark via use-livecode wrote:
> If your XML is UTF8-enconded and your UTF8 data is correct, it will
> work. Your probably isn't invalid XML but either a problem with the
> encoding of the entire file or a particular string.
>
> The best way to validate XML on your server is to install a little
> command line utility and use the shell function.
>
>

Thanks for your reply.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing : I'm using a small php script
I found on the web; but as the xml can be quite large, I need to
use temporary files, and things get a bit slow at times.
That's why I was hoping for a 100% LC solution.

Best.




From mkoob at rogers.com  Sat Jan 13 09:34:50 2018
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:34:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302

There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.  
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363

It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?

You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.

Martin Koob



--
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Jan 13 09:47:23 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:47:23 +0100
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <326AE1AF-6C0A-4021-98BA-690098027F43@m-r-d.de>

Graham,

i followed your steps here on my system (iMac 5K and Thunderbolt display). It works here without problems.

Maybe it works here, because i have setup that my monitors use different spaces. You can set this in SystemControl->MissionControl. I do not know the exact english expression as i have here a german Mac OS X running.

One of the advantages  of this option is that i can run other programs (in my case DVD-Player) in fullscreen  on one screen and the other screen is still visible and not black. 

Maybe you should try that set this option in mission control too.

Regards,
Matthias




Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?

> Am 13.01.2018 um 13:14 schrieb Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Sorry this is a bit long, but it needs an accurate description IMHO.
> 
> I?ve already submitted a bug report on some strangeness with using the IDE with LC9.0.0 (dp11) on a two-screen system, with the suspicion that it was me doing something wrong - it was just very muddling. However, today I seem to have found something a bit more generic and I?d like to know if anyone else has seen it, before I start the tedious business of simplifying the issue for a bug report.
> 
> This is what I?m seeing, on a MacBook Pro running High Sierra 10.3.2. Attached to the machine is a monitor, in the logical top left position, so the mouse can travel from the Mac screen to the monitor by moving North West, as it were. The MacPro screen is 2560 x 1600 Retina (which AFAIKS means it?s acting like 1280 x 800 for normal display purposes), and the monitor is 1920 x 1080. The system is configured so that the initial Mac menu bar is on the MacPro screen (since we don?t always use the monitor).
> 
> If I open LC9, the initial screen comes up on the MacPro, as expected. I open a stack I?m working on and drag the initial display (just the first card of the first stack) to the monitor. Going back to the menu bar on the MacPro display, I open the Project Browser to see the stack details. If I click on the little plus (?+?) sign next to the stack name, the browser display unfolds to show the cards in the stack, exactly as expected. BUT if I move the Project Browser window to the monitor, the plus sign has no effect! I can still close the project browser window but I can?t activate it, whether or not I make sure that LC has the focus by clicking on my card display. If I close the Project Browser, switch to the monitor and activate LiveCode from there (for example by clicking on the mirrored menu for LC which appears at the top of the screen) and then open the Project Browser again so that it initially opens in the monitor, it works OK! If I drag the PB window back to the MacPro display, it goes on working.
> 
> This is the essence of the issue - there may be other variants with the Tool palette etc but I?m trying to keep it simple.
> 
> Does anyone else see this or know of any report? Can?t find anything in the Quality database.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Jan 13 09:50:03 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:50:03 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>

Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it?s normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn?t turn up anything relevant: maybe I don?t understand how to do searches for unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.

Thanks again

Graham

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
> 
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302
> 
> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.  
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363
> 
> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
> 
> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.
> 
> Martin Koob
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Jan 13 09:53:31 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 14:53:31 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <326AE1AF-6C0A-4021-98BA-690098027F43@m-r-d.de>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<326AE1AF-6C0A-4021-98BA-690098027F43@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <81CCB178-1BE1-41D3-99DA-61ECA7E9C9E6@mac.com>

Hi Matthias

Your solution sounds interesting, but to me it?s just a workaround. I simply want more screen real estate for debugging - so as far as I can see, using different spaces would provide that. After reading what Martin Koob has to say, I?m pretty certain that there really is a bug. Even though it?s holding up some urgent work, I think I have to make a proper examination of this and report it (maybe as additional material on an existing bug report).

Graham

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:47, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> 
> i followed your steps here on my system (iMac 5K and Thunderbolt display). It works here without problems.
> 
> Maybe it works here, because i have setup that my monitors use different spaces. You can set this in SystemControl->MissionControl. I do not know the exact english expression as i have here a german Mac OS X running.
> 
> One of the advantages  of this option is that i can run other programs (in my case DVD-Player) in fullscreen  on one screen and the other screen is still visible and not black. 
> 
> Maybe you should try that set this option in mission control too.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> Tel +49 5741 310000
> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
> 
>> Am 13.01.2018 um 13:14 schrieb Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> Sorry this is a bit long, but it needs an accurate description IMHO.
>> 
>> I?ve already submitted a bug report on some strangeness with using the IDE with LC9.0.0 (dp11) on a two-screen system, with the suspicion that it was me doing something wrong - it was just very muddling. However, today I seem to have found something a bit more generic and I?d like to know if anyone else has seen it, before I start the tedious business of simplifying the issue for a bug report.
>> 
>> This is what I?m seeing, on a MacBook Pro running High Sierra 10.3.2. Attached to the machine is a monitor, in the logical top left position, so the mouse can travel from the Mac screen to the monitor by moving North West, as it were. The MacPro screen is 2560 x 1600 Retina (which AFAIKS means it?s acting like 1280 x 800 for normal display purposes), and the monitor is 1920 x 1080. The system is configured so that the initial Mac menu bar is on the MacPro screen (since we don?t always use the monitor).
>> 
>> If I open LC9, the initial screen comes up on the MacPro, as expected. I open a stack I?m working on and drag the initial display (just the first card of the first stack) to the monitor. Going back to the menu bar on the MacPro display, I open the Project Browser to see the stack details. If I click on the little plus (?+?) sign next to the stack name, the browser display unfolds to show the cards in the stack, exactly as expected. BUT if I move the Project Browser window to the monitor, the plus sign has no effect! I can still close the project browser window but I can?t activate it, whether or not I make sure that LC has the focus by clicking on my card display. If I close the Project Browser, switch to the monitor and activate LiveCode from there (for example by clicking on the mirrored menu for LC which appears at the top of the screen) and then open the Project Browser again so that it initially opens in the monitor, it works OK! If I drag the PB window back to the MacPro display, it goes on working.
>> 
>> This is the essence of the issue - there may be other variants with the Tool palette etc but I?m trying to keep it simple.
>> 
>> Does anyone else see this or know of any report? Can?t find anything in the Quality database.
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Graham
>> _______________________________________________
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From richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 13 10:10:41 2018
From: richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net (Richard Burkett)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:10:41 -0800
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
Message-ID: <11C31CCC-27E3-4690-976A-79E0D933E64B@sbcglobal.net>

Actually, the reason why we?re having this conversation is that I needed to load the clipboard with in what SHOULD be plain text format data via script, data that included plain returns, and it appeared as double spaced when pasted into Mac Mail. There was another user-driven in terms of selecting text. This should probably be a bug in LiveCode (the same thing happens when I copy a script from the editor in LiveCode). 

In any case, I found a script solution which I sent to the list (use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 24, item 5) and it works fine now. Perhaps LiveCode should have a clipBoard key ?plainTextREALLY? that uses that script.

Thanks again for your help with this, Paul Hibbert.

Richard

Richard Burkett
richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net


On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 Brian Milby wrote:

> That is precisely why we are having this conversation.  An assumption was
> made that creating an HTML version of plain text was needed for the
> clipboard.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Non- starter. Can't make assumptions about the end user's intent. What if
>> what he was copying was SUPPOSED to have double line breaks or carriage
>> returns? The complaint would be that LC was taking liberties with user's
>> data!
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 09:42 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If it was changed to use <br> for single line breaks and only assuming a
>>> paragraph when there are 2
>> 
>> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jan 13 10:16:45 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:16:45 +0000
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <11C31CCC-27E3-4690-976A-79E0D933E64B@sbcglobal.net>
References: <11C31CCC-27E3-4690-976A-79E0D933E64B@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRbCaWOGoWfRsgVbWq7cp_EpirZ89ryWkiq7ZnGt5KmZOg@mail.gmail.com>

The text on the clipboard is fine. The problem is that too much is put on
the clipboard. Plain text converted to HTML is likely the real problem.
That is why a trip through a plain text editor fixes the issue. It takes
the plain text from the clipboard and only puts plain text on the
clipboard. There are 2 bug reports on this issue. I?m planning on
submitting a PR but was waiting for any reasoning behind the current method
that I may have overlooked.
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:11 AM Richard Burkett via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Actually, the reason why we?re having this conversation is that I needed
> to load the clipboard with in what SHOULD be plain text format data via
> script, data that included plain returns, and it appeared as double spaced
> when pasted into Mac Mail. There was another user-driven in terms of
> selecting text. This should probably be a bug in LiveCode (the same thing
> happens when I copy a script from the editor in LiveCode).
>
> In any case, I found a script solution which I sent to the list
> (use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 24, item 5) and it works fine now.
> Perhaps LiveCode should have a clipBoard key ?plainTextREALLY? that uses
> that script.
>
> Thanks again for your help with this, Paul Hibbert.
>
> Richard
>
> Richard Burkett
> richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 Brian Milby wrote:
>
> > That is precisely why we are having this conversation.  An assumption was
> > made that creating an HTML version of plain text was needed for the
> > clipboard.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Non- starter. Can't make assumptions about the end user's intent. What
> if
> >> what he was copying was SUPPOSED to have double line breaks or carriage
> >> returns? The complaint would be that LC was taking liberties with user's
> >> data!
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 09:42 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If it was changed to use <br> for single line breaks and only assuming
> a
> >>> paragraph when there are 2
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
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From mark at livecode.com  Sat Jan 13 11:49:32 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 16:49:32 +0000
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRbCaWOGoWfRsgVbWq7cp_EpirZ89ryWkiq7ZnGt5KmZOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11C31CCC-27E3-4690-976A-79E0D933E64B@sbcglobal.net>
	<CA+yhkRbCaWOGoWfRsgVbWq7cp_EpirZ89ryWkiq7ZnGt5KmZOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E7778201-6E91-4710-AEBD-9738E6E60416@livecode.com>

The behaviour should be that if you put plaintext then only plaintext should be on the clipboard...

If you put styled text then plain and rtf should be on the clipboard... HTML maybe - but if that's the format causing the problem (and not rtf - which I think is the main Cocoa style interchange format) then that needs some thought.

A line in a field is a paragraph - you can put vertical tabs in a line to give you hard line breaks (i.e. BR in html). If other apps are interpreting this differently then that causes a 'roundtrip' issue for LiveCode.

Anyway, this is a result of the reworking of the clipboard we did early on in 8 (maybe late 7) - if you have the time to poke around and propose a patch on more than happy to help - it's been on my list to dig into for ages, but hasn't reached the top yet!

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The text on the clipboard is fine. The problem is that too much is put on
> the clipboard. Plain text converted to HTML is likely the real problem.
> That is why a trip through a plain text editor fixes the issue. It takes
> the plain text from the clipboard and only puts plain text on the
> clipboard. There are 2 bug reports on this issue. I?m planning on
> submitting a PR but was waiting for any reasoning behind the current method
> that I may have overlooked.
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:11 AM Richard Burkett via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Actually, the reason why we?re having this conversation is that I needed
>> to load the clipboard with in what SHOULD be plain text format data via
>> script, data that included plain returns, and it appeared as double spaced
>> when pasted into Mac Mail. There was another user-driven in terms of
>> selecting text. This should probably be a bug in LiveCode (the same thing
>> happens when I copy a script from the editor in LiveCode).
>> 
>> In any case, I found a script solution which I sent to the list
>> (use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 24, item 5) and it works fine now.
>> Perhaps LiveCode should have a clipBoard key ?plainTextREALLY? that uses
>> that script.
>> 
>> Thanks again for your help with this, Paul Hibbert.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Richard Burkett
>> richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 Brian Milby wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is precisely why we are having this conversation.  An assumption was
>>> made that creating an HTML version of plain text was needed for the
>>> clipboard.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Non- starter. Can't make assumptions about the end user's intent. What
>> if
>>>> what he was copying was SUPPOSED to have double line breaks or carriage
>>>> returns? The complaint would be that LC was taking liberties with user's
>>>> data!
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 09:42 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If it was changed to use <br> for single line breaks and only assuming
>> a
>>>>> paragraph when there are 2
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 13 11:55:21 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 10:55:21 -0600
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them 
in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of 
the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are 
avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are 
horizontally aligned.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it?s 
> normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the 
> MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn?t turn up 
> anything relevant: maybe I don?t understand how to do searches for 
> unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. 
> Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Graham
>
>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
>>
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302
>>
>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366
>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363
>>
>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
>>
>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.
>>
>> Martin Koob
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: 
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
>>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Jan 13 12:24:14 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 17:24:14 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
	<160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E8BDD5D3-14D2-4C60-A8AE-7DCFE1B010A5@mac.com>

Yes, of course it?s an OS thing really. I think it?s reasonable to want the Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually have. If I don?t do this, I?m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere which the Mac doesn?t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the MacBook, that?s what I?ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.

After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it?s 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will leave that to them.

Graham

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are horizontally aligned.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 
> 
> On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it?s normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn?t turn up anything relevant: maybe I don?t understand how to do searches for unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
>> 
>> Thanks again
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
>>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
>>> 
>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300
>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302
>>> 
>>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366
>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363
>>> 
>>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
>>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
>>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
>>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
>>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
>>> 
>>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.
>>> 
>>> Martin Koob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
>>> 
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>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jan 13 12:27:09 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 17:27:09 +0000
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <E7778201-6E91-4710-AEBD-9738E6E60416@livecode.com>
References: <11C31CCC-27E3-4690-976A-79E0D933E64B@sbcglobal.net>
	<CA+yhkRbCaWOGoWfRsgVbWq7cp_EpirZ89ryWkiq7ZnGt5KmZOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7778201-6E91-4710-AEBD-9738E6E60416@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYr-d1OA=HOnwm7qHXBtHTZijuQEiGe28A+sC0wP1jg6w@mail.gmail.com>

PR just about done actually. It sets the plain text but leaves previous
HTML right now. Should have it done this weekend.
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 10:50 AM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The behaviour should be that if you put plaintext then only plaintext
> should be on the clipboard...
>
> If you put styled text then plain and rtf should be on the clipboard...
> HTML maybe - but if that's the format causing the problem (and not rtf -
> which I think is the main Cocoa style interchange format) then that needs
> some thought.
>
> A line in a field is a paragraph - you can put vertical tabs in a line to
> give you hard line breaks (i.e. BR in html). If other apps are interpreting
> this differently then that causes a 'roundtrip' issue for LiveCode.
>
> Anyway, this is a result of the reworking of the clipboard we did early on
> in 8 (maybe late 7) - if you have the time to poke around and propose a
> patch on more than happy to help - it's been on my list to dig into for
> ages, but hasn't reached the top yet!
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 13 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > The text on the clipboard is fine. The problem is that too much is put on
> > the clipboard. Plain text converted to HTML is likely the real problem.
> > That is why a trip through a plain text editor fixes the issue. It takes
> > the plain text from the clipboard and only puts plain text on the
> > clipboard. There are 2 bug reports on this issue. I?m planning on
> > submitting a PR but was waiting for any reasoning behind the current
> method
> > that I may have overlooked.
> > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:11 AM Richard Burkett via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, the reason why we?re having this conversation is that I needed
> >> to load the clipboard with in what SHOULD be plain text format data via
> >> script, data that included plain returns, and it appeared as double
> spaced
> >> when pasted into Mac Mail. There was another user-driven in terms of
> >> selecting text. This should probably be a bug in LiveCode (the same
> thing
> >> happens when I copy a script from the editor in LiveCode).
> >>
> >> In any case, I found a script solution which I sent to the list
> >> (use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 24, item 5) and it works fine now.
> >> Perhaps LiveCode should have a clipBoard key ?plainTextREALLY? that uses
> >> that script.
> >>
> >> Thanks again for your help with this, Paul Hibbert.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >> Richard Burkett
> >> richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 Brian Milby wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That is precisely why we are having this conversation.  An assumption
> was
> >>> made that creating an HTML version of plain text was needed for the
> >>> clipboard.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Non- starter. Can't make assumptions about the end user's intent. What
> >> if
> >>>> what he was copying was SUPPOSED to have double line breaks or
> carriage
> >>>> returns? The complaint would be that LC was taking liberties with
> user's
> >>>> data!
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob S
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 09:42 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If it was changed to use <br> for single line breaks and only
> assuming
> >> a
> >>>>> paragraph when there are 2
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>> subscription preferences:
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> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode>
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From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jan 13 14:39:48 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:39:48 -0600
Subject: Problem pasting from Livecode to Mac Mail
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRYr-d1OA=HOnwm7qHXBtHTZijuQEiGe28A+sC0wP1jg6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11C31CCC-27E3-4690-976A-79E0D933E64B@sbcglobal.net>
	<CA+yhkRbCaWOGoWfRsgVbWq7cp_EpirZ89ryWkiq7ZnGt5KmZOg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7778201-6E91-4710-AEBD-9738E6E60416@livecode.com>
	<CA+yhkRYr-d1OA=HOnwm7qHXBtHTZijuQEiGe28A+sC0wP1jg6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaJGuhc-ZgL=bBF2enMZQkjEyc50o1wEFuMoFPM=ntfVw@mail.gmail.com>

PR submitted against develop-8.2:
https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6276

Updated MCClipboard::AddText such that is will clear the clipboard and only
place the plain text representations on the clipboard. The clipboard needed
to be cleared to avoid the HTML/RTF from a previous copy being left on the
clipboard which would cause issues when attempting to paste.

This will fix bugs 19206 and 20336.

Bug 18699 is actually due to the inclusion of HTML on the clipboard from my
testing (Mac/Windows).  TextEdit on the Mac places RTF and plain text on
the clipboard and does not suffer from the same issue when pasting into
Excel (which is why people were able to paste there and recopy to get
around the issue).

Have a good weekend everyone!

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:

> PR just about done actually. It sets the plain text but leaves previous
> HTML right now. Should have it done this weekend.
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 10:50 AM Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> The behaviour should be that if you put plaintext then only plaintext
>> should be on the clipboard...
>>
>> If you put styled text then plain and rtf should be on the clipboard...
>> HTML maybe - but if that's the format causing the problem (and not rtf -
>> which I think is the main Cocoa style interchange format) then that needs
>> some thought.
>>
>> A line in a field is a paragraph - you can put vertical tabs in a line to
>> give you hard line breaks (i.e. BR in html). If other apps are interpreting
>> this differently then that causes a 'roundtrip' issue for LiveCode.
>>
>> Anyway, this is a result of the reworking of the clipboard we did early
>> on in 8 (maybe late 7) - if you have the time to poke around and propose a
>> patch on more than happy to help - it's been on my list to dig into for
>> ages, but hasn't reached the top yet!
>>
>> Warmest Regards,
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 13 Jan 2018, at 15:16, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > The text on the clipboard is fine. The problem is that too much is put
>> on
>> > the clipboard. Plain text converted to HTML is likely the real problem.
>> > That is why a trip through a plain text editor fixes the issue. It takes
>> > the plain text from the clipboard and only puts plain text on the
>> > clipboard. There are 2 bug reports on this issue. I?m planning on
>> > submitting a PR but was waiting for any reasoning behind the current
>> method
>> > that I may have overlooked.
>> > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 9:11 AM Richard Burkett via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Actually, the reason why we?re having this conversation is that I
>> needed
>> >> to load the clipboard with in what SHOULD be plain text format data via
>> >> script, data that included plain returns, and it appeared as double
>> spaced
>> >> when pasted into Mac Mail. There was another user-driven in terms of
>> >> selecting text. This should probably be a bug in LiveCode (the same
>> thing
>> >> happens when I copy a script from the editor in LiveCode).
>> >>
>> >> In any case, I found a script solution which I sent to the list
>> >> (use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 24, item 5) and it works fine now.
>> >> Perhaps LiveCode should have a clipBoard key ?plainTextREALLY? that
>> uses
>> >> that script.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks again for your help with this, Paul Hibbert.
>> >>
>> >> Richard
>> >>
>> >> Richard Burkett
>> >> richard.burkett at sbcglobal.net
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 Brian Milby wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> That is precisely why we are having this conversation.  An assumption
>> was
>> >>> made that creating an HTML version of plain text was needed for the
>> >>> clipboard.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Non- starter. Can't make assumptions about the end user's intent.
>> What
>> >> if
>> >>>> what he was copying was SUPPOSED to have double line breaks or
>> carriage
>> >>>> returns? The complaint would be that LC was taking liberties with
>> user's
>> >>>> data!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bob S
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 09:42 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If it was changed to use <br> for single line breaks and only
>> assuming
>> >> a
>> >>>>> paragraph when there are 2
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >>>> subscription preferences:
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>> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode>
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From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jan 13 15:07:03 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 20:07:03 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <E8BDD5D3-14D2-4C60-A8AE-7DCFE1B010A5@mac.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
	<160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E8BDD5D3-14D2-4C60-A8AE-7DCFE1B010A5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaTHdUcGQXg=F6xXHfqkARA5TD=35xLvCqoFVfwCpSdPg@mail.gmail.com>

@Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue,
you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the
problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the
problem doesn?t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something
that is good to know when working on this issue.
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yes, of course it?s an OS thing really. I think it?s reasonable to want
> the Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I
> actually have. If I don?t do this, I?m always trying to make the mouse go
> somewhere which the Mac doesn?t see as part of the screen real estate.
> Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side
> of the MacBook, that?s what I?ve set up in the control panel. The fact that
> this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>
> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was
> raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it?s
> 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I
> will leave that to them.
>
> Graham
>
> > On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange
> them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position
> of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems
> are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are
> horizontally aligned.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it?s
> normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the
> MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn?t turn up
> anything relevant: maybe I don?t understand how to do searches for
> unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention.
> Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
> >>
> >> Thanks again
> >>
> >> Graham
> >>
> >>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book
> Pro
> >>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
> >>>
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302
> >>>
> >>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363
> >>>
> >>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
> >>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the
> Display
> >>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of
> the
> >>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also
> be an
> >>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as
> well?
> >>>
> >>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other
> ones.
> >>>
> >>> Martin Koob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sent from:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
> >>>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 15:45:55 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:45:55 -0700
Subject: Streaming video..
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrNSG3syAr+vbePnu4MN8XfKqGN3PppffaEa7HSedX5jg@mail.gmail.com>

Quick question.. I'm attempting to write a program to work with my
hdhomerun (networked tv streamer) and think i'm on track.. However, i'm not
sure if its possible to tell the player to open a udp connection on port
5000 and wait for the stream to come in. (apparently, I need to have it
ready to receive before I send the command to the hdhr)  Will the player do
this?  If not I'll probably end up using vnc as my player, but it would
sure be nice to have an all LC solution.  (maybe I can use the browser
widget.. hmmm.  )


From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sat Jan 13 18:03:34 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 15:03:34 -0800
Subject: OT: Developer Week SF Bay Area
Message-ID: <a75d77c4-8f2f-ed8a-12c1-a4cb956371a5@sonic.net>

If anyone is planning on coming to Developer Week 2018 in the Bay Area 
(3-7 February), more free OPEN passes have opened up. It's moving to 
Oakland from San Francisco this year, no doubt because nobody can afford 
San Francisco any more.

You must register by 11:59 pm on January 26 (or before we run out) to 
get your free OPEN Pass or SAVE $300 on your PRO Pass.

To register, go to 
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/developerweek-2018-tickets-36162005532?discount=MU2098&utm_campaign=MU2098

Promotional code MU2098, with a $300 discount, will automatically be 
applied to your order making your OPEN Pass completely free -- or use 
the discount towards an all-access PRO Pass.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From niconiko at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 19:15:48 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 09:15:48 +0900
Subject: Android build executable on test device fails
In-Reply-To: <E709B2BF-D460-4124-AD58-03730CBA07E8@midwestcoastmedia.com>
References: <mailman.1.1515841202.10744.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<E709B2BF-D460-4124-AD58-03730CBA07E8@midwestcoastmedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxmjkwQ-bzZxiWBg8DhaRwcSdxzBg3XQZJKrznp9BTmBww@mail.gmail.com>

The problem is on 8.1.8.

Any idea what the subject of that thread was?

--
Nicolas Cueto

On 13 January 2018 at 20:15, MWCM via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > Testing on an Android device, the "Standalone builder progress" window
> > shows first "Building classes" and then for a brief moment "Building
> > executable", after which an error window reads "Unable to build app for
> > testing: could not open module file".
> >
> > Searched the forums but no mention at all of this problem.
> >
> > --
> > Nicolas Cueto
> >
>
> Someone else on the list had this problem within the week, but had a
> different subject for the thread. I believe their issue was some code or
> widget lurking around without proper inclusions.
>
> What version of Livecode are you compiling with? I?ve had the same problem
> recently with a stack that I?ve tried to compiler in 8.1.8. I fear I opened
> this in 9dp11 to see the new dataGrid2 in action and saved the stack
> without backwards compatibility. This isn?t strictly Android as I was
> building for iOS when the error manifested.
>
> ?Andrew Bell
>
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 19:25:35 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 09:25:35 +0900
Subject: Android build executable on test device fails
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxmjkwQ-bzZxiWBg8DhaRwcSdxzBg3XQZJKrznp9BTmBww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1515841202.10744.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<E709B2BF-D460-4124-AD58-03730CBA07E8@midwestcoastmedia.com>
	<CAGeTkxmjkwQ-bzZxiWBg8DhaRwcSdxzBg3XQZJKrznp9BTmBww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxkaOy_rg=7KTUth7+KGwL8WnXDZWwEdPG1Pdu-dKZnd8A@mail.gmail.com>

Found the thread ("Error while saving standalone 8 & 9"), and, yes, widget
problem. But my stack is simply a field and two buttons. No widgets.

So, still stuck.

--
Nicolas Cueto

On 14 January 2018 at 09:15, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:

> The problem is on 8.1.8.
>
> Any idea what the subject of that thread was?
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
>
> On 13 January 2018 at 20:15, MWCM via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> > Testing on an Android device, the "Standalone builder progress" window
>> > shows first "Building classes" and then for a brief moment "Building
>> > executable", after which an error window reads "Unable to build app for
>> > testing: could not open module file".
>> >
>> > Searched the forums but no mention at all of this problem.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Nicolas Cueto
>> >
>>
>> Someone else on the list had this problem within the week, but had a
>> different subject for the thread. I believe their issue was some code or
>> widget lurking around without proper inclusions.
>>
>> What version of Livecode are you compiling with? I?ve had the same
>> problem recently with a stack that I?ve tried to compiler in 8.1.8. I fear
>> I opened this in 9dp11 to see the new dataGrid2 in action and saved the
>> stack without backwards compatibility. This isn?t strictly Android as I was
>> building for iOS when the error manifested.
>>
>> ?Andrew Bell
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
>


From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Sat Jan 13 19:43:27 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (MWCM)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 19:43:27 -0500
Subject: Android build executable on test device fails
Message-ID: <6CB02AB5-10E4-4C3B-BB4C-2E2D5614A39B@midwestcoastmedia.com>


> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 09:15:48 +0900
> From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Android build executable on test device fails
> Message-ID:
>    <CAGeTkxmjkwQ-bzZxiWBg8DhaRwcSdxzBg3XQZJKrznp9BTmBww at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> The problem is on 8.1.8.
> 
> Any idea what the subject of that thread was?
> 

I was hoping I would be able to get something useful as I had a similar problem but the user found the problem object on their own. 

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2018-January/244253.html

--Andrew Bell

From niconiko at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 20:04:52 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 10:04:52 +0900
Subject: Android build executable on test device fails
In-Reply-To: <6CB02AB5-10E4-4C3B-BB4C-2E2D5614A39B@midwestcoastmedia.com>
References: <6CB02AB5-10E4-4C3B-BB4C-2E2D5614A39B@midwestcoastmedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkx==Ax3QzwDKHvFfh3FDwVnw5o24h6V9CXv9BHQxwB4j_w@mail.gmail.com>

And now a new problem. The SDK and JDK paths have disappeared.

Just now installed 8.0.2, pointed it to the SDK root path that worked with
8.1.8, but got the error "chosen folder not a valid Android SDK".

And, opening 8.1.8 to confirm the SDK rooth path, the SDK field there has
become blank and the JDK path has returned to "(none)".

Why?!?  Argh!!!

--
Nicolas Cueto


On 14 January 2018 at 09:43, MWCM via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 09:15:48 +0900
> > From: Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>
> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Subject: Re: Android build executable on test device fails
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CAGeTkxmjkwQ-bzZxiWBg8DhaRwcSdxzBg3XQZJKrznp9BTmBww at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > The problem is on 8.1.8.
> >
> > Any idea what the subject of that thread was?
> >
>
> I was hoping I would be able to get something useful as I had a similar
> problem but the user found the problem object on their own.
>
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2018-January/244253.html
>
> --Andrew Bell
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jan 14 00:25:03 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 23:25:03 -0600
Subject: Announcement: SVG Icon Tool
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZpfsT9Hz+20UZ9Xd+xNzB65Skj+PpCBHsnNwOEHy6b6w@mail.gmail.com>

I've posted an updated version of my SVG Icon Tool to my server with a
large number of icons included (everything from
https://leungwensen.github.io/svg-icon except the flags which needed
color).  I've also included the feather icons that were mentioned.

Direct link to the download:
https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.180113-2301.zip

Latest forum post on the tool:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30411&p=162655#p162655

Once the SVG Icon Library is updated to allow loading other icon families,
this tool can be used to help manage icon sets for applications.  There
should be no reason the LCB file in my PR couldn't be compiled in LC8, but
I've been working on it in LC9DP11 & develop.
It exports encoded LC arrays that are in the format needed for the library.

Thanks,
Brian


From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Jan 14 07:13:28 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 12:13:28 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRaTHdUcGQXg=F6xXHfqkARA5TD=35xLvCqoFVfwCpSdPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
	<160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E8BDD5D3-14D2-4C60-A8AE-7DCFE1B010A5@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRaTHdUcGQXg=F6xXHfqkARA5TD=35xLvCqoFVfwCpSdPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59508357-D800-42C8-8EE0-1B4C69B4018F@mac.com>

Hi Brian

Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card (it?s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the combined display, but it doesn?t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc doesn?t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I?m on a deadline so I can?t look any further just now. Might just have time to restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain?t pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying glass? annoying.

Cheers

Graham

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> 
> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the problem doesn?t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something that is good to know when working on this issue.
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> Yes, of course it?s an OS thing really. I think it?s reasonable to want the Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually have. If I don?t do this, I?m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere which the Mac doesn?t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the MacBook, that?s what I?ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
> 
> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it?s 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will leave that to them.
> 
> Graham
> 
> > On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> >
> > It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are horizontally aligned.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> > On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it?s normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn?t turn up anything relevant: maybe I don?t understand how to do searches for unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
> >>
> >> Thanks again
> >>
> >> Graham
> >>
> >>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
> >>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
> >>>
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300>
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302>
> >>>
> >>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366>
> >>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363>
> >>>
> >>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
> >>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
> >>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
> >>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
> >>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
> >>>
> >>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.
> >>>
> >>> Martin Koob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
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From mark at livecode.com  Sun Jan 14 09:58:50 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:58:50 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <59508357-D800-42C8-8EE0-1B4C69B4018F@mac.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
	<160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E8BDD5D3-14D2-4C60-A8AE-7DCFE1B010A5@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRaTHdUcGQXg=F6xXHfqkARA5TD=35xLvCqoFVfwCpSdPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<59508357-D800-42C8-8EE0-1B4C69B4018F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3F65D8A5-70A6-4D37-8EAB-5F3B1268309E@livecode.com>

I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is causing the problem.

I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, but both you and graham have a mixed setup?

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks isn't working correctly.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian
> 
> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card (it?s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the combined display, but it doesn?t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc doesn?t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I?m on a deadline so I can?t look any further just now. Might just have time to restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain?t pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying glass? annoying.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Graham
> 
>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
>> 
>> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the problem doesn?t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something that is good to know when working on this issue.
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> Yes, of course it?s an OS thing really. I think it?s reasonable to want the Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually have. If I don?t do this, I?m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere which the Mac doesn?t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the MacBook, that?s what I?ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>> 
>> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it?s 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will leave that to them.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are horizontally aligned.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it?s normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn?t turn up anything relevant: maybe I don?t understand how to do searches for unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again
>>>> 
>>>> Graham
>>>> 
>>>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
>>>>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300>
>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302>
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366>
>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363>
>>>>> 
>>>>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
>>>>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
>>>>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
>>>>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
>>>>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
>>>>> 
>>>>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Martin Koob
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html>
>>>>> 
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From mark at livecode.com  Sun Jan 14 10:29:29 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:29:29 +0000
Subject: Streaming video..
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrNSG3syAr+vbePnu4MN8XfKqGN3PppffaEa7HSedX5jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSrNSG3syAr+vbePnu4MN8XfKqGN3PppffaEa7HSedX5jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A59DEDA-89B8-4D55-BF93-4AB4FCDC8AFF@livecode.com>

IIRC, the engine passes 'proper urls' straight through to the OS framework - so if the URL plays in a browser then it should probably work in the engine.

If it doesn't, but does in a browser then you could try using a browser widget instead of a player?

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:45, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Quick question.. I'm attempting to write a program to work with my
> hdhomerun (networked tv streamer) and think i'm on track.. However, i'm not
> sure if its possible to tell the player to open a udp connection on port
> 5000 and wait for the stream to come in. (apparently, I need to have it
> ready to receive before I send the command to the hdhr)  Will the player do
> this?  If not I'll probably end up using vnc as my player, but it would
> sure be nice to have an all LC solution.  (maybe I can use the browser
> widget.. hmmm.  )
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jan 14 11:34:52 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 17:34:52 +0100
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <3F65D8A5-70A6-4D37-8EAB-5F3B1268309E@livecode.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
	<160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E8BDD5D3-14D2-4C60-A8AE-7DCFE1B010A5@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRaTHdUcGQXg=F6xXHfqkARA5TD=35xLvCqoFVfwCpSdPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<59508357-D800-42C8-8EE0-1B4C69B4018F@mac.com>
	<3F65D8A5-70A6-4D37-8EAB-5F3B1268309E@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <AFCA57BD-C94B-4E53-97E0-5A9F1CC340FC@m-r-d.de>

Mark,

i did not wrote that i have to Retina displays. I am using an iMAc 5K and a Apple Thunderbolt Display, which is 2560x1440.
The only difference is that  my displays use different spaces.  That?s an option in Systemcontrol->Mission Control

Matthias



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> Am 14.01.2018 um 15:58 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is causing the problem.
> 
> I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, but both you and graham have a mixed setup?
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks isn't working correctly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian
>> 
>> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card (it?s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the combined display, but it doesn?t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc doesn?t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I?m on a deadline so I can?t look any further just now. Might just have time to restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain?t pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying glass? annoying.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com <mailto:brian at milby7.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the problem doesn?t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something that is good to know when working on this issue.
>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>> Yes, of course it?s an OS thing really. I think it?s reasonable to want the Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually have. If I don?t do this, I?m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere which the Mac doesn?t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the MacBook, that?s what I?ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>>> 
>>> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it?s 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will leave that to them.
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are horizontally aligned.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com> <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>>
>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/ <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it?s normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn?t turn up anything relevant: maybe I don?t understand how to do searches for unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
>>>>>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300> <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300>>
>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302> <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366> <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366>>
>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363> <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
>>>>>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
>>>>>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
>>>>>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
>>>>>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Martin Koob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html> <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html>>
>>>>>> 
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Jan 14 11:39:53 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 16:39:53 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <3F65D8A5-70A6-4D37-8EAB-5F3B1268309E@livecode.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
	<160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E8BDD5D3-14D2-4C60-A8AE-7DCFE1B010A5@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRaTHdUcGQXg=F6xXHfqkARA5TD=35xLvCqoFVfwCpSdPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<59508357-D800-42C8-8EE0-1B4C69B4018F@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <82C217DF-6387-4606-92B7-BA4896FDCE00@mac.com>

Thanks Mark for wading in.

Well, it might be the mixture of screens - in fact I think that may well be it, because I have another development configuration with a non-Retina iMac and a similar monitor to the one I?ve described, and I have never seen a problem. Sadly, that?s about 1000 km South of where I am now, where I?ve got what the Retina MacBook setup. I have had to do what I suggested in an earlier email, which is start the MacBook with the monitor unplugged, and use the Mac in its highest resolution. It?s a bit of a strain on the eyes, but at least I can work. Sure would like to have it fixed, though.

Graham

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 14:58, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is causing the problem.
> 
> I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, but both you and graham have a mixed setup?
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks isn't working correctly.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian
>> 
>> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card (it?s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the combined display, but it doesn?t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc doesn?t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I?m on a deadline so I can?t look any further just now. Might just have time to restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain?t pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying glass? annoying.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the problem doesn?t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something that is good to know when working on this issue.
>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> Yes, of course it?s an OS thing really. I think it?s reasonable to want the Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually have. If I don?t do this, I?m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere which the Mac doesn?t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the MacBook, that?s what I?ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>>> 
>>> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it?s 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will leave that to them.
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are horizontally aligned.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it?s normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn?t turn up anything relevant: maybe I don?t understand how to do searches for unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>> 
>>>>> Graham
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
>>>>>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300>
>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366>
>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
>>>>>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
>>>>>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
>>>>>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
>>>>>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Martin Koob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html>
>>>>>> 
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Jan 14 11:47:52 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 16:47:52 +0000
Subject: Code Signing Blues
Message-ID: <97168F1E-6FD1-490F-8276-C95FC8F9249F@mac.com>

A couple of years ago, I got a lot of advice on this list about code signing Mac apps that are not being distributed via the Mac App Store, and I got some of it working. Trying to revive that knowledge and working with a different computer, I seem to have come unstuck at stage one, which is the generation of a valid certificate. I am a registered Apple developer, but I don?t understand how I ever got a proper Certification Authority to talk to, or indeed what happened to the certificate(s) I had then. There doesn?t seem to be much relevant in my Keychain, and wading through XCode when all you know is LC is a bit like being taught Hungarian as a foreign language (THFL - or the equivalent).

Can anyone give me just a little clue as to how to get my cert? After that, I think I know how to use AppWrapper, and indeed I?ve got a nifty LC script from Trevor deVore that  might do the actual signing - but no certificate, no joy.

I?d appreciate any help.

Graham


From mark at livecode.com  Sun Jan 14 12:01:57 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 17:01:57 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <AFCA57BD-C94B-4E53-97E0-5A9F1CC340FC@m-r-d.de>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
	<160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
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	<59508357-D800-42C8-8EE0-1B4C69B4018F@mac.com>
	<3F65D8A5-70A6-4D37-8EAB-5F3B1268309E@livecode.com>
	<AFCA57BD-C94B-4E53-97E0-5A9F1CC340FC@m-r-d.de>
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Apologies - I misread - actually one thing to check here is what 'the screenRects' returns. This returns a list of rects representing different screens - the first is primary and the rest are relative to that.

Any engine issue will likely be to do with those rects as that is the basis of its display coord to LiveCode coord mapping.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 16:34, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> i did not wrote that i have to Retina displays. I am using an iMAc 5K and a Apple Thunderbolt Display, which is 2560x1440.
> The only difference is that  my displays use different spaces.  That?s an option in Systemcontrol->Mission Control
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
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> 
>> Am 14.01.2018 um 15:58 schrieb Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> I wonder if it is the mix between retina and non-retina screens which is causing the problem.
>> 
>> I notice Mattias mentioned he couldn't reproduce with two retina screens, but both you and graham have a mixed setup?
>> 
>> Warmest Regards,
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
>> P.S. There's clearly a problem here in the engine if hit testing on stacks isn't working correctly.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 14 Jan 2018, at 12:13, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Brian
>>> 
>>> Well I tried to line up the tops of the two displays using the Mac Control Panel and restarted LC. This did have an interesting effect, in that the windows on the monitor are now accepting mouse clicks, but there is still some very weird stuff, in particular I have a substack with single card (it?s for logging). I am 100% sure that the stack is visible, and its rect is well within what I understand to be the available coordinates of the combined display, but it doesn?t show up! Changing its loc to the screenloc doesn?t do anything either. So there is bad stuff going on here. I?m on a deadline so I can?t look any further just now. Might just have time to restart my machine with the monitor off, but debugging on a laptop ain?t pretty. I suppose I could use the full retina resolution and a magnifying glass? annoying.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> 
>>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 20:07, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com <mailto:brian at milby7.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> @Graham, to determine if the 2 are related to the same underlying issue, you should adjust your monitor layout so that the tops align. If the problem goes away, then they are related (even if not identical). If the problem doesn?t go away, then it is a new issue. That will be something that is good to know when working on this issue.
>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:24 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>> Yes, of course it?s an OS thing really. I think it?s reasonable to want the Mac control panel configuration to mimic the physical arrangement I actually have. If I don?t do this, I?m always trying to make the mouse go somewhere which the Mac doesn?t see as part of the screen real estate. Since my physical arrangement is that the monitor is higher and to the side of the MacBook, that?s what I?ve set up in the control panel. The fact that this gives problems has clearly got to be a bug.
>>>> 
>>>> After looking carefully at the bugs Martin has listed (one of which was raised by me, centuries ago!), I decided to submit a new report: it?s 20867. The mother ship may find that they can combine it with 19302, but I will leave that to them.
>>>> 
>>>> Graham
>>>> 
>>>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 16:55, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are horizontally aligned.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com> <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com <mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>>
>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/ <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On January 13, 2018 8:51:59 AM Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Martin - yes I do have a Mac Book Pro Retina, and since it?s normally on my desk with the monitor on a stand, the monitor is above the MacBook as you say. My search for bugs related to this didn?t turn up anything relevant: maybe I don?t understand how to do searches for unresolved bugs in particular areas. Anyway I missed the bugs you mention. Obviously I will now look at them and see what I can contribute.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 14:34, Martin Koob via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have experienced problems with dual monitors attached to my Mac Book Pro
>>>>>>> Retina with LC 8 and posted bugs.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300> <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19300>>
>>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302> <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19302>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There are links on 19302  to other bugs I thought might be related.
>>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366> <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15366>>
>>>>>>> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363> <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18363>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems the issue occurs only when the arrangement is that  secondary
>>>>>>> external monitor is above the Mac Book Pro's monitor.  If in the Display
>>>>>>> Preferences > arrangement I drag the secondary monitor to the side of the
>>>>>>> primary monitor the issues I experienced were resolved.   It may also be an
>>>>>>> issue with my retina display.  Do you have a Mac Book Pro Retina as well?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You should post what you are seeing as a bug and reference these other ones.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Martin Koob
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Sun Jan 14 12:22:24 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 09:22:24 -0800
Subject: Streaming video..
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrNSG3syAr+vbePnu4MN8XfKqGN3PppffaEa7HSedX5jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSrNSG3syAr+vbePnu4MN8XfKqGN3PppffaEa7HSedX5jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06486fc7-42c3-0378-c85d-92b16a6757b6@sonic.net>

On 01/13/2018 12:45 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> Quick question.. I'm attempting to write a program to work with my
> hdhomerun (networked tv streamer) and think i'm on track.. However, i'm not
> sure if its possible to tell the player to open a udp connection on port
> 5000 and wait for the stream to come in. (apparently, I need to have it
> ready to receive before I send the command to the hdhr)  Will the player do
> this?  If not I'll probably end up using vnc as my player, but it would
> sure be nice to have an all LC solution.  (maybe I can use the browser
> widget.. hmmm.  )

I pipe my hdhomerun through a raspberry pi running osmc as my dvr. The 
hdhomerun box itself has open-source drivers, if that helps you out.

https://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/hdhomerun_development.pdf
https://github.com/mharsch/node-hdhomerun
https://github.com/kodi-pvr/pvr.hdhomerun

If I connect to the pi over the osmc web interface I can use a RESTful 
connection over vlc to view live or saved videos. The format is

http://192.168.0.99/stream/channel/<id1>?ticket=<id2>

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but the easiest (and fun) 
thing might be to put a pi on the network, use the hdhomerun driver for 
osmc, and let it do the heavy lifting for you.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 12:38:43 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 10:38:43 -0700
Subject: Streaming video..
In-Reply-To: <06486fc7-42c3-0378-c85d-92b16a6757b6@sonic.net>
References: <CAG1cpSrNSG3syAr+vbePnu4MN8XfKqGN3PppffaEa7HSedX5jg@mail.gmail.com>
	<06486fc7-42c3-0378-c85d-92b16a6757b6@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSr6HZaj9SL-E4RFtxOSiz6qjSE2r4c8Q__UXnv6-qG0uQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ty!  (both marks!)  I have managed to get vlc working, though not in the
manner I had hoped..

http://192.168.254.3:5004/auto/v7.1?transcode=mobile -- this will tune to
channel 7.1.  (I'll be trying your method momentarily)

It also finally clicked in my noggin that plex will work with the
hdhomerun, and now has the ability to stream live.  Since I already have
freenas set up with plex, I'm using that as my dvr/streamer interface for
now.  I'll definitely be looking into a pi setup too. (I have an orange pi
laying around that i'm not doing anything with)

As for passing a url that will work with vlc to the player object instead,
no joy getting that to work so far.

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 01/13/2018 12:45 PM, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Quick question.. I'm attempting to write a program to work with my
>> hdhomerun (networked tv streamer) and think i'm on track.. However, i'm
>> not
>> sure if its possible to tell the player to open a udp connection on port
>> 5000 and wait for the stream to come in. (apparently, I need to have it
>> ready to receive before I send the command to the hdhr)  Will the player
>> do
>> this?  If not I'll probably end up using vnc as my player, but it would
>> sure be nice to have an all LC solution.  (maybe I can use the browser
>> widget.. hmmm.  )
>>
>
> I pipe my hdhomerun through a raspberry pi running osmc as my dvr. The
> hdhomerun box itself has open-source drivers, if that helps you out.
>
> https://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/hdhomerun_development.pdf
> https://github.com/mharsch/node-hdhomerun
> https://github.com/kodi-pvr/pvr.hdhomerun
>
> If I connect to the pi over the osmc web interface I can use a RESTful
> connection over vlc to view live or saved videos. The format is
>
> http://192.168.0.99/stream/channel/<id1>?ticket=<id2>
>
> I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but the easiest (and fun)
> thing might be to put a pi on the network, use the hdhomerun driver for
> osmc, and let it do the heavy lifting for you.
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
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From irog at mac.com  Sun Jan 14 13:24:55 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 11:24:55 -0700
Subject: Standalone Name vs Display Name
Message-ID: <4F793323-37F8-4E3E-9517-2D8AAB582B96@mac.com>

I?m wrapped around the axle again! 

In Standalone Application Settings, can someone tell me the difference between the Standalone Name under the General Tab, and the Display Name under the iOS tab?

Thanks very much.

Roger

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 13:37:14 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:37:14 +0200
Subject: Standalone Name vs Display Name
In-Reply-To: <4F793323-37F8-4E3E-9517-2D8AAB582B96@mac.com>
References: <4F793323-37F8-4E3E-9517-2D8AAB582B96@mac.com>
Message-ID: <ac77d077-ced6-1130-f123-304f024e54f0@gmail.com>

I don't think this is particularly complicated;

it is rather like the fact that you can have a standalone on a desktop 
system called something (e.g. "XXX")
but when the standalone opens it can have something else on its title 
bar (e.g. "Oh, you expected XXX").

Richmond.

On 14/1/2018 8:24 pm, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
> I?m wrapped around the axle again!
>
> In Standalone Application Settings, can someone tell me the difference between the Standalone Name under the General Tab, and the Display Name under the iOS tab?
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Roger
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From irog at mac.com  Sun Jan 14 13:53:55 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 11:53:55 -0700
Subject: Standalone Name vs Display Name
In-Reply-To: <ac77d077-ced6-1130-f123-304f024e54f0@gmail.com>
References: <4F793323-37F8-4E3E-9517-2D8AAB582B96@mac.com>
	<ac77d077-ced6-1130-f123-304f024e54f0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36AB2F6D-3705-4D99-A81B-6790BD490307@mac.com>

Well, in Stack Properties, one is given the opportunity to provide a title. Otherwise the title becomes the name of the stack. Are you saying this title of the stack is one of the subject items? If so, which one? And, would that one supersede any title I might have given my stack in Stack Properties? 

Thanks.

Roger

> On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't think this is particularly complicated;
> 
> it is rather like the fact that you can have a standalone on a desktop system called something (e.g. "XXX")
> but when the standalone opens it can have something else on its title bar (e.g. "Oh, you expected XXX").
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 14/1/2018 8:24 pm, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>> I?m wrapped around the axle again!
>> 
>> In Standalone Application Settings, can someone tell me the difference between the Standalone Name under the General Tab, and the Display Name under the iOS tab?
>> 
>> Thanks very much.
>> 
>> Roger
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 13:58:01 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 20:58:01 +0200
Subject: Knight's Tour
Message-ID: <c82cdefc-8bbb-c25d-97fb-1add75558daf@gmail.com>

It could be fun implementing this in LiveCode:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/weigm15xsi781vp/AAAJxWGLXT3hrm65fOlNh1BDa?dl=0

Richmond.


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Sun Jan 14 14:09:17 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:09:17 -0500
Subject: Standalone Name vs Display Name
In-Reply-To: <4F793323-37F8-4E3E-9517-2D8AAB582B96@mac.com>
References: <4F793323-37F8-4E3E-9517-2D8AAB582B96@mac.com>
Message-ID: <005f01d38d6b$300d9550$9028bff0$@net>

Roger,

The "Standalone Name" is the name of the .app or the .apk(Android) files AND the sequential folder names created in the build folder.

The "Display Name"(iOS) and "Label"(Android) is just the the text under the app icon on the device.
What really makes an app unique on a device is "Internal App ID"(iOS) and "Identifier"(Android).



Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Roger Guay via use-livecode
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 1:25 PM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Roger Guay
Subject: Standalone Name vs Display Name

I?m wrapped around the axle again! 

In Standalone Application Settings, can someone tell me the difference between the Standalone Name under the General Tab, and the Display Name under the iOS tab?

Thanks very much.

Roger
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Sun Jan 14 14:24:11 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:24:11 -0500
Subject: Standalone Name vs Display Name
In-Reply-To: <36AB2F6D-3705-4D99-A81B-6790BD490307@mac.com>
References: <4F793323-37F8-4E3E-9517-2D8AAB582B96@mac.com>	<ac77d077-ced6-1130-f123-304f024e54f0@gmail.com>
	<36AB2F6D-3705-4D99-A81B-6790BD490307@mac.com>
Message-ID: <006301d38d6d$44b460e0$ce1d22a0$@net>

The "Title" in stack properties is only seen in the IDE and desktop apps. On Mobile this is never displayed. You could leave it defaulted to the stack name. I usually make it nice to read and identify so the title bars in the IDE are easy on the eyes.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Roger Guay via use-livecode
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 1:54 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Roger Guay
Subject: Re: Standalone Name vs Display Name

Well, in Stack Properties, one is given the opportunity to provide a title. Otherwise the title becomes the name of the stack. Are you saying this title of the stack is one of the subject items? If so, which one? And, would that one supersede any title I might have given my stack in Stack Properties? 

Thanks.

Roger

> On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't think this is particularly complicated;
> 
> it is rather like the fact that you can have a standalone on a desktop 
> system called something (e.g. "XXX") but when the standalone opens it can have something else on its title bar (e.g. "Oh, you expected XXX").
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 14/1/2018 8:24 pm, Roger Guay via use-livecode wrote:
>> I?m wrapped around the axle again!
>> 
>> In Standalone Application Settings, can someone tell me the difference between the Standalone Name under the General Tab, and the Display Name under the iOS tab?
>> 
>> Thanks very much.
>> 
>> Roger
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From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Jan 14 14:54:19 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 19:54:19 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <840D7E83-FD78-4141-87C8-8A3E709652C9@hindu.org>

BR: I'm late to this party, but FWIW

Graham wrote: Does anyone else see this or know of any report? 

BR: yes, all the time, no recipe but it's so bad I don't *ever* put any liveCode stack on my MacBook Pro monitor -- which is designated as the secondary monitor when hooked up to the 31" curved LG giant display. And screen sharing is a pain because you want to show the small screen, not the big one, but nothing works on the small one.

So often I will try to show some stack or the script editor on the MacBook Pro?(designated as secondary) but typically the main symptom is: it is non-responsive to mouse events? 

Would love to find a solution. 

@ Mark W.

My screen rects are:

0,0,3440,1440
-1440,0,0,900




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 14 15:22:17 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:22:17 -0600
Subject: Android build executable on test device fails
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkx==Ax3QzwDKHvFfh3FDwVnw5o24h6V9CXv9BHQxwB4j_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6CB02AB5-10E4-4C3B-BB4C-2E2D5614A39B@midwestcoastmedia.com>
	<CAGeTkx==Ax3QzwDKHvFfh3FDwVnw5o24h6V9CXv9BHQxwB4j_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7e7b4677-26c1-007f-75e6-19528c458aea@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/13/18 7:04 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode wrote:
> And now a new problem. The SDK and JDK paths have disappeared.
> 
> Just now installed 8.0.2, pointed it to the SDK root path that worked with
> 8.1.8, but got the error "chosen folder not a valid Android SDK".
> 
> And, opening 8.1.8 to confirm the SDK rooth path, the SDK field there has
> become blank and the JDK path has returned to "(none)".
> 
> Why?!?  Argh!!!

I was using Java 6.x (the Apple version) until LC 8.1 where it failed. I 
had to install Java 1.8 to get it to work. LC shares your prefs among 
your installed versions, so you'd need to change the preference setting 
each time you switch to a different LC version.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From paul at livecode.org  Sun Jan 14 15:27:35 2018
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 12:27:35 -0800
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <840D7E83-FD78-4141-87C8-8A3E709652C9@hindu.org>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<840D7E83-FD78-4141-87C8-8A3E709652C9@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CF257539-3DB1-4CAB-99EE-A0FC6C11961A@livecode.org>

Just to add to the mix, I have been using a two monitor system for many years, I now have an iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017) connected to an Eizo ColorEdge CG 241W, the iMac is 4096 x 2304 and the Eizo is 1920 x 1200, both driven by the same Radeon Pro 560 4 GB card. Both monitors are set to default scaling and I do normally keep the top edges aligned with the menubar on the iMac screen.

I didn?t see too many problems until I upgraded the iMac from a 2009 model. With the new iMac, initially I tried using 2 adaptors to connect the 2nd monitor, going from USB-C (Thunderbolt) to Display-Port and then Display-Port to DVI, not surprisingly that didn?t work too well. Now I have an after-market USB-C to DVI adapter and it has improved no end, looking through the reviews on Amazon it seems the quality of the adapter can make a difference. AFAIK Apple don?t produce/sell a USB-C to DVI adapter.

I have seen problems with bad alignment of LC stacks if the tops of the screens are not aligned in the Display Prefs and I had all sorts of minor problems with many different apps if I moved the menu bar to the Eizo or didn?t align the tops of the displays, to the point where I almost gave up using a second monitor.

Now I keep the tops of the displays aligned and the system MenuBar and LC toolbar/toolbox on the iMac and I tend to keep the stack windows on the iMac (although not always), I use the Eizo mainly for the Script Editor and Dictionary along with the Project Browser and I haven?t seen any major problems lately. Occasionally the cursor just disappears, but comes back if I move it to the iMac Display or manage to hit the dock at the bottom of the screen, that?s not just in LC though.

Problems are definitely not limited to LiveCode, some apps will not work well if I attempt to use the second monitor, so I suspect there are some underlying OS issues,  possibly from mixing the two different types of display. One of the worst apps is Flux 7, it?s almost unusable without some major adjustments to the app windows.

After seeing Mark?s last response in this thread I tried a few tests with the display arrangements and switching the MenuBar around, everything was working as expected until I arranged the bottom of both displays and then tried to re-arrange so the tops of the displays aligned (approx the 7th arrangement), then the LC revMenuBar ended up in the middle of the iMac display and I couldn?t see any response from clicking on the stack, LC toolbox/toolbar or any open palette. As soon as I used the message box to reset the position of the revMenuBar everything started working again. Then I re-started LC, the positions were screwed up again, so I trashed the prefs and all is fine again.

My thought are; from my experience this isn?t just a LC issue, the quality/type of adapter may help, keeping the Mac MenuBar on the Mac seems to be more stable and it doesn?t seem to affect the way most apps work AFAICS, keeping the tops of the Displays aligned in the Prefs pane also helps especially in LC, some apps just don?t support dual/multiple monitors well. My final observation is switching the display options around with LC open can really screw up it's prefs!

Paul




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 14 15:33:53 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:33:53 -0600
Subject: Announcement: SVG Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZpfsT9Hz+20UZ9Xd+xNzB65Skj+PpCBHsnNwOEHy6b6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZpfsT9Hz+20UZ9Xd+xNzB65Skj+PpCBHsnNwOEHy6b6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5aaff14-69a5-3199-9fdd-dceb9fd0233b@hyperactivesw.com>

Anyone who hasn't looked at this stack really should. It's what we've 
needed ever since SVG was introduced to LC.

On 1/13/18 11:25 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> I've posted an updated version of my SVG Icon Tool to my server with a
> large number of icons included (everything from
> https://leungwensen.github.io/svg-icon except the flags which needed
> color).  I've also included the feather icons that were mentioned.
> 
> Direct link to the download:
> https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.180113-2301.zip
> 
> Latest forum post on the tool:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30411&p=162655#p162655
> 
> Once the SVG Icon Library is updated to allow loading other icon families,
> this tool can be used to help manage icon sets for applications.  There
> should be no reason the LCB file in my PR couldn't be compiled in LC8, but
> I've been working on it in LC9DP11 & develop.
> It exports encoded LC arrays that are in the format needed for the library.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Sun Jan 14 15:38:20 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (MWCM)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:38:20 -0500
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
Message-ID: <42ED899D-7D8E-4CC9-B1CC-774D3FF6749C@midwestcoastmedia.com>

I have an issue that isn?t exactly the same but may be related. Seldom do I work on two monitors, but my display configuration is constantly changing.  My primary development machine is a 15? Retina MacBook Pro. The main project I work on is a large stack (iPhone 7 native resolution) stack that I work with at a scaleFactor of 0.5 so it fits on my internal Retina display and doesn?t take too much screen real estate on the external. 

When on-the-go, I use the Retina display in the ?almost largest display? setting (not the far right biggest resolution option and not the middle recommended option). 

When in the office I work docked (laptop closed) and connect the laptop to an external keyboard/mouse and external 4K display (via mini DisplayPort) and sometimes also a 1080i (via HDMI). When docked, I NEVER use the built-in display.

Every time I launch that stack, the top of the stack is off the top of my screen. Doesn?t matter what display setup I?m using, I always have to open the stack inspector and change the Y position of the stack so the whole thing appears on my screen. 

--Andrew Bell
--Sent from my iPhone



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 14 16:18:09 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 15:18:09 -0600
Subject: libUrlDownloadToFile: desktop ok, Android no
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkx=JXLcNFT71_UpSMYqu=To0C_NzofCTKinKnTX_Uf2+Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=JXLcNFT71_UpSMYqu=To0C_NzofCTKinKnTX_Uf2+Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c9590fb0-3c18-c18e-96da-f6fac26e4df3@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/11/18 10:37 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode wrote:
> Below is the script used to download a text file. Which works on the
> Windows desktop. But on my Nexus 5, "error" is returned by the  script
> commands "log" and "logflushbuffer".

The most likely reason is that the field needs a complete reference, the 
defaultstack may have changed.

put sLogBuffer after field "logField" of card x of stack y

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Jan 14 18:09:36 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 23:09:36 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <CF257539-3DB1-4CAB-99EE-A0FC6C11961A@livecode.org>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<840D7E83-FD78-4141-87C8-8A3E709652C9@hindu.org>
	<CF257539-3DB1-4CAB-99EE-A0FC6C11961A@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <FC279F64-58EF-48B1-81CB-32B8419BE602@mac.com>

Not to go into detail, but I have not seen any problems using two monitors with a variety of mainstream Mac software, e.g Photoshop Elements, Pages, MS Word, MS Excel, Transmit etc etc. Maybe I?m just lucky, but it?s certainly LC that?s giving me the biggest headache at the moment. Good tip about the prefs - thanks

Graham

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 20:27, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
[snip?]

> My thought are; from my experience this isn?t just a LC issue, the quality/type of adapter may help, keeping the Mac MenuBar on the Mac seems to be more stable and it doesn?t seem to affect the way most apps work AFAICS, keeping the tops of the Displays aligned in the Prefs pane also helps especially in LC, some apps just don?t support dual/multiple monitors well. My final observation is switching the display options around with LC open can really screw up it's prefs!
> 
> Paul




From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Jan 14 20:14:35 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 01:14:35 +0000
Subject: Drag And Drop Rows 
Message-ID: <9AF53C20-04BD-402F-8D90-CBCBBABAA68E@hindu.org>

I was examining the API for Datagrid2 in 9 dp 11

Swiping looks interesting, but I'm also looking for " drag-to-arrange"  for mobile

With similar "cool" UI animation behavior where if you drag a sub-mini-group, which comprises a row of a large vertically or horizontal scrolling parent group, there is some delta which, when entered, if the row being dragged up or down, or left and right, pausem and suddenly the two underlying rows separate and allow you to drop the drag-row to this new location. The better designed ones, the underlying rows are reacting during the drag until the user drops.

Has anyone build such a thing? If so, can you share?

use cases: Like in Spotify, where album covers with titles and artists names are subgroups and these would be on a left to right scrolling group that the user could rearrange. In "My Book Library" data grid is vertical, user wants to re-arrange to manually sort her/his titles vertically. Re-arrange "Favorites"  list (made up of complex subgroups with icons text and other data in a row) etc.  Rearrange an outline, etc? many similar scenarios.

BR





From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Jan 14 21:19:22 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 02:19:22 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <98298AF6-B794-4A98-AEA6-6F4202FC56F3@livecode.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
	<160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E8BDD5D3-14D2-4C60-A8AE-7DCFE1B010A5@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRaTHdUcGQXg=F6xXHfqkARA5TD=35xLvCqoFVfwCpSdPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<59508357-D800-42C8-8EE0-1B4C69B4018F@mac.com>
	<3F65D8A5-70A6-4D37-8EAB-5F3B1268309E@livecode.com>
	<AFCA57BD-C94B-4E53-97E0-5A9F1CC340FC@m-r-d.de>
	<98298AF6-B794-4A98-AEA6-6F4202FC56F3@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <0B121943-D56A-4DFD-8131-0566A77D6B0E@hindu.org>

Mark wrote:

screenRects: the first is primary and the rest are relative to that.  Any engine issue will likely be to do with those rects as that is the basis of its display coord to LiveCode coord mapping.
    
with screenrects at

0,0,3440,1440
-1440,0,0,900

tops are aligned? and ?hmmm? things are working now.

on the MacBook "little" monitor. Let's hope this remains true.   will test later with screens shifted? Or possibly setting screen sharing in SKYPE messes internally with the OS screen coords? 

TBD

BR








On 1/14/18, 7:02 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Mark Waddingham via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:




From niconiko at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 21:32:18 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:32:18 +0900
Subject: Android devpt on Mac OS -- your setup?
Message-ID: <CAGeTkx=+DGh-qTcoBZmE4p7nUtO6NqHOk44iJD7qgwY6HBm3dQ@mail.gmail.com>

I want to configure a new Mac mini running 10.13.2 for Android development.
But, as I've learnt these last two weeks, LC advise can be out-of-date, and
what works on one setup may not on another. At least, that's been the case
on Windows.

So, if you are on a Mac OS ++and++ have succesfully tested a stack on an
Android device -- preferably one using LC's  Internet library -- please
post details about your:

::: Mac OS version :::

::: LC version(s) :::

::: Java JDK :::

About downloading the JDK. Where specifically should I click on the downloading
a JDK <http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html>
webpage
referred to by the LC Lesson "How do I become an Android developer on Mac?
<http://lessons.livecode.com/m/2571/l/27389-how-do-i-become-an-android-developer-on-a-mac%20>"
--- the "JDK Download" button inside table Java SE 8u151/ 8u152?

I ask to be doubly-sure and because recent list messages warn against
updating from 8.0 to 9.0?. Plu

::: Android SDK :::

That LC lesson advices the full Android Studio for LC post-8.1.5. Do you
agree?

::: Android SDK platform :::

Again, that LC lesson advices the Android 4.0.3 package. Yes?


Thank you. I sure would like to get things working well straight out of the
box!

--
Nicolas Cueto


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 23:06:01 2018
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 15:06:01 +1100
Subject: Announcement: SVG Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <e5aaff14-69a5-3199-9fdd-dceb9fd0233b@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZpfsT9Hz+20UZ9Xd+xNzB65Skj+PpCBHsnNwOEHy6b6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5aaff14-69a5-3199-9fdd-dceb9fd0233b@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5ki_grY6ZNexLQeeH-7==8ZMv7RK-5051MyP1XaEGU-+4w@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice! Thank you so much:-)

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 7:33 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Anyone who hasn't looked at this stack really should. It's what we've needed
> ever since SVG was introduced to LC.
>
>
> On 1/13/18 11:25 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>> I've posted an updated version of my SVG Icon Tool to my server with a
>> large number of icons included (everything from
>> https://leungwensen.github.io/svg-icon except the flags which needed
>> color).  I've also included the feather icons that were mentioned.
>>
>> Direct link to the download:
>> https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.180113-2301.zip
>>
>> Latest forum post on the tool:
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30411&p=162655#p162655
>>
>> Once the SVG Icon Library is updated to allow loading other icon families,
>> this tool can be used to help manage icon sets for applications.  There
>> should be no reason the LCB file in my PR couldn't be compiled in LC8, but
>> I've been working on it in LC9DP11 & develop.
>> It exports encoded LC arrays that are in the format needed for the
>> library.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brian
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>
>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 01:20:22 2018
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:20:22 +1100
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kgg-rmzjGStY9mA0wYxsJwTnHmX=hUeYTLpj4sRpXRGjg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:14 PM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> This is the essence of the issue - there may be other variants with the Tool palette etc but I?m trying to keep it simple.
>
After some testing I can confirm it's exactly the same as the Tool
Palette problem related to the tops of monitors not being aligned in
the Display Preference Pane. I typically use 2 additional monitors.

My set up is:

Main screen (middle) 15" MBP Retina set to 1920 x 1200
Left Monitor 21" Samsung SyncMaster set to 1440 x 900 (default)
Right Monitor 24" Benq set to 1920 x 1080 (default)

The MBP is running 10.11.6
I do NOT use the Spaces feature of OS X
LC 9.0.0 dp 11

Graham, when you see this, open the Tool Palette (TP), move it so it's
directly adjacent to the PB with the tops aligned. As you move the
mouse over the TP you'll notice that the wrong icons will highlite. So
for instance in one test I did, I had the mouse over the 'Player'
icon, yet the 'Clock' icon highlited (offset high). In another test I
had the mouse over the 'Pointer tool' yet the 'Check Box' icon
highlited (offset low).  With this knowledge you can easily get the PB
to work. Move the mouse over the TP until an icon horizontally aligned
with the +/- icon (or any of the Tree view objects listed) is
highlited, then move the mouse horizontally into the PB until it's
directly above/below the +/- icon (or any other object listed) and
Click. The offset of where the click actually occurs in comparison to
where the mouse visibly is is exactly the same in the PB as the TP.

Of course this is a silly way to work. The whole lot can be fixed
simply as others have pointed out, align the tops of the monitors in
the Display Preference Pane.

I just wanted to prove it's the same issue.



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 01:34:12 2018
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:34:12 +1100
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgg-rmzjGStY9mA0wYxsJwTnHmX=hUeYTLpj4sRpXRGjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<CA+uh5kgg-rmzjGStY9mA0wYxsJwTnHmX=hUeYTLpj4sRpXRGjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjLgn23--8JYw=8r3s4hZ7e8g_TLQUo_DpdYkuakOoUoA@mail.gmail.com>

I should have also noted that I didn't see the problem with a small
misalignment of the tops in the Display Preference Pane; the tops had
to be quite far apart. Also, what was strange was that just because
the additional monitors may have been set to above the central MBP in
the Display Preference Pane, it didn't always result in an 'offset
high' situation - the Click occurring above the visible position of
the Mouse. Sometimes it was offset high, sometimes low.



From stephen at barncard.com  Mon Jan 15 01:45:52 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 22:45:52 -0800
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjLgn23--8JYw=8r3s4hZ7e8g_TLQUo_DpdYkuakOoUoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<CA+uh5kgg-rmzjGStY9mA0wYxsJwTnHmX=hUeYTLpj4sRpXRGjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kjLgn23--8JYw=8r3s4hZ7e8g_TLQUo_DpdYkuakOoUoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHLxbF4vAFxsGYfcsLOArRjwAbHZRP6U2D1jGxy0x1dorA@mail.gmail.com>

You should see what happens with three monitors on version 9

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:34 PM, Kay C Lan via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I should have also noted that I didn't see the problem with a small
> misalignment of the tops in the Display Preference Pane; the tops had
> to be quite far apart. Also, what was strange was that just because
> the additional monitors may have been set to above the central MBP in
> the Display Preference Pane, it didn't always result in an 'offset
> high' situation - the Click occurring above the visible position of
> the Mouse. Sometimes it was offset high, sometimes low.
>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Jan 15 05:00:38 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:00:38 +0000
Subject: [Somewhat OT] Mac Code Signing - can anyone explain?
Message-ID: <85EAE165-2FE1-4128-9276-00A10CEB24BB@mac.com>

I wrote an earlier mail on this subject. Good thing nobody replied, since I more or less worked it out myself. I have now generated a couple of certificates (app and installer), so I should be able to do the code signing. However, in my Keychain Access under ?My Certificates? I have a lot of folders all with the same name - com.apple.kerberos.kdc - each containing a file (key) with the same name again! How am I supposed to distinguish one from another, or don?t I have to? The Apple Developer Portal warns me to keep copies of my certificates and public and private keys, but I don?t see how to find out which ones I generated just now and which ones are just old.

It would be great to hear from someone who knows.

Graham


From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon Jan 15 05:05:36 2018
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:05:36 +0100
Subject: AW: Code Signing Blues
In-Reply-To: <97168F1E-6FD1-490F-8276-C95FC8F9249F@mac.com>
References: <97168F1E-6FD1-490F-8276-C95FC8F9249F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004501d38de8$63bff550$2b3fdff0$@kestner.de>

Hi Graham,

log into you developer.apple.com account
go to Certificates, Identifiers & Profiles
Select the wanted certificate on the right side (one click)
Click Download

That should do it to get them on you new machine

Tiemo

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Januar 2018 17:48
An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com>
Betreff: Code Signing Blues

A couple of years ago, I got a lot of advice on this list about code signing Mac apps that are not being distributed via the Mac App Store, and I got some of it working. Trying to revive that knowledge and working with a different computer, I seem to have come unstuck at stage one, which is the generation of a valid certificate. I am a registered Apple developer, but I don?t understand how I ever got a proper Certification Authority to talk to, or indeed what happened to the certificate(s) I had then. There doesn?t seem to be much relevant in my Keychain, and wading through XCode when all you know is LC is a bit like being taught Hungarian as a foreign language (THFL - or the equivalent).

Can anyone give me just a little clue as to how to get my cert? After that, I think I know how to use AppWrapper, and indeed I?ve got a nifty LC script from Trevor deVore that  might do the actual signing - but no certificate, no joy.

I?d appreciate any help.

Graham
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon Jan 15 05:13:35 2018
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 11:13:35 +0100
Subject: AW: [Somewhat OT] Mac Code Signing - can anyone explain?
In-Reply-To: <85EAE165-2FE1-4128-9276-00A10CEB24BB@mac.com>
References: <85EAE165-2FE1-4128-9276-00A10CEB24BB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004601d38de9$8114b270$833e1750$@kestner.de>

Sorry my reply was for your first post. For your second post, I am always unsure myself, cause this is a job you only do once a couple of years.
I *think*, you could delete all the messed up certificates and download the one you need once. But this is not a recepie!, just my unproven thoughts. Probably somebody else can confirm or warn of this procedure.
Tiemo


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Gesendet: Montag, 15. Januar 2018 11:01
An: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com>
Betreff: [Somewhat OT] Mac Code Signing - can anyone explain?

I wrote an earlier mail on this subject. Good thing nobody replied, since I more or less worked it out myself. I have now generated a couple of certificates (app and installer), so I should be able to do the code signing. However, in my Keychain Access under ?My Certificates? I have a lot of folders all with the same name - com.apple.kerberos.kdc - each containing a file (key) with the same name again! How am I supposed to distinguish one from another, or don?t I have to? The Apple Developer Portal warns me to keep copies of my certificates and public and private keys, but I don?t see how to find out which ones I generated just now and which ones are just old.

It would be great to hear from someone who knows.

Graham
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From bmmeili at swissonline.ch  Mon Jan 15 07:53:04 2018
From: bmmeili at swissonline.ch (Martin Meili)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:53:04 +0100
Subject: 15. AW: Code Signing Blues (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Message-ID: <24485EDA-CEAF-4F8A-83BF-C4BB9DCBC470@swissonline.ch>

Hi Tiemo
Watch these two videos. As far as for me (not a pro but a real hobbyist), they did the trick. Before following the recipes, I opened KEYCHAIN and deleted any profile having to do with iOs signing and installing. After having "a clean keychain", I managed to execute a Certificate Signing Request and to set up the App ID & Provisioning Profiles. Make also sure you've got the correct xcode-version going with your LC version (you can look this information up on LC site).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3XHj8W8qz5w
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HlRI30F6-Ek

Kind regards
Martin

Von meinem iPad gesendet

From dave at applicationinsight.com  Mon Jan 15 08:17:53 2018
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 06:17:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgg-rmzjGStY9mA0wYxsJwTnHmX=hUeYTLpj4sRpXRGjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<CA+uh5kgg-rmzjGStY9mA0wYxsJwTnHmX=hUeYTLpj4sRpXRGjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1516022273989-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi all - this is how I arrange my screens (also pretty much how they are
physically)
<http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/file/t374234/Screenshot_2018-01-15_12.png> 

I'm running a 2014 15" mbp on High Sierra and my two external monitors are
the special LG 5k ones (with thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapters). No dead spots as
regards mouse movements or clicks

The only thing I find I need to do as regards LC is if I have the big
monitors attached and have previously used LC with only the mbp screen, I
need to right-click the LC icon on the dock, choose options and set the desk
space to 'display 1' before setting it to 'display 3' (where I usually place
my LC). I also need to give the script editor a bit of TLC if the previous
time I opened it was on the mbp screen

set the topleft of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" to 200,200
set the loc of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" to the screenloc

These commands in the message box usually reveal the script editor (in the
mbp screen) which I just then drag over, the next time I open LC the script
editor knows where to be and everything is ok. Err occasionally even message
box stuff won't reveal the script editor, in which case I save the app I'm
working on anyway, close and restart LC and it's sorted itself out.

PS: I don't have the tops of the monitors aligned so that mouse movements
between my mbp screen and the big screens doesn't involve a vertical 'jump'
in screen space 



-----
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From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Mon Jan 15 08:50:50 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 13:50:50 +0000
Subject: Android devpt on Mac OS -- your setup?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1516014001.8521.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20180115135050.Horde.AGCVxX7_Qlb-WTiJi8X4heT@ua850258.serversignin.com>


> ::: Mac OS version :::
10.11.5 on MBP
10.12.6 on iMac
school IT just forced me to update the iMac to 10.13.2 but I haven't  
compiled anything since then (thanks Apple for not backwards applying  
Meltdown/Spectre patches)


> ::: LC version(s) :::
8.1.8 Business until the pesky "could not open module" bug crept into  
my stack. Now I'm using 9dp11 (I feel like this is dg2 related, but  
can't pinpoint that so it may be fake news)


> ::: Java JDK :::
1.8.0_121 on MBP
It's a holiday and the school is closed so I can't comment on the  
iMac, but since that was a clean install about 3 months ago the  
process is pretty fresh. I had to do something funky to get the JDK,  
and I think it was this...  
https://www.ihash.eu/2015/11/how-to-install-java-jre-8-on-mac-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/


> ::: Android SDK :::
>
> That LC lesson advices the full Android Studio for LC post-8.1.5. Do you
> agree?
I'm pretty sure that's the only way now. The old method didn't have a  
flashy interface (not that Android Studio does either, or is  
intuitive) but seemed to work fine for my needs.


> ::: Android SDK platform :::
>
> Again, that LC lesson advices the Android 4.0.3 package. Yes?
I think 4.0.3 is a must, but for some reason I also think that 4.2  
and/or 4.2.2 was a critical breakthrough for me when I first setup  
this system about 2 years ago.


--Andrew Bell





From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jan 15 09:40:37 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:40:37 +0000
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 112
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_A1qC7obwN-Ri0H__9ELKPpuP7gtSciQrYX9muoDj=LA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

        Read issue #112 here: https://goo.gl/KxWK1g

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.


-- 
Panagiotis Merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
LiveCode Software Developer

Everyone Can Create Apps <https://livecode.com>


From andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com  Mon Jan 15 09:58:32 2018
From: andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com (andrew at midwestcoastmedia.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:58:32 +0000
Subject: dg2 performance issues
Message-ID: <20180115145832.Horde._EB6K_zYqMUh0oi-nsdC4gY@ua850258.serversignin.com>

I'm experiencing a big degradation in performance with dg2. I have a  
datagrid with a 224x119 image and two text fields. Slow scrolling  
using dg1 (8.1.8) is silky smooth but slow scrolling using dg2 (9dp11)  
is jittery at slow speeds. This isn't as noticeable with faster whip  
scrolls but looks jerky when just perusing. Am I missing a setting  
somewhere?

Same stack code, compiled with different engines:
https://midwestcoastmedia.com/files/dg1_scroll.mp4
https://midwestcoastmedia.com/files/dg2_scroll.mp4

So I don't seem ungrateful I would like to say that I LOVE that the  
old clunky looking default scroll indicator is gone. Thanks!

--Andrew Bell




From rmetzker at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 13:05:18 2018
From: rmetzker at gmail.com (Ron Metzker)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 10:05:18 -0800
Subject: [Somewhat OT] Mac Code Signing - can anyone explain?
In-Reply-To: <85EAE165-2FE1-4128-9276-00A10CEB24BB@mac.com>
References: <85EAE165-2FE1-4128-9276-00A10CEB24BB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DBBBE7E0-B2A9-42DC-B76D-BF446D647CF0@gmail.com>

Hi Graham,

The keys have a date time stamp in them that is encrypted. That is how it knows which one to use. DO NOT delete your old keys. It uses them in case you have to rebuild an old application that has already been signed.

I have never done this for iOS, so don?t have any knowledge of How iOS works though I can point you to the documents that Apple provides. Xcode takes care of MacOS. 

Code signing

https://developer.apple.com/support/developer-id/

https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Security/Conceptual/CodeSigningGuide/Introduction/Introduction.html

https://developer.apple.com/library/content/technotes/tn2206/_index.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/DTS40007919


Best Regards,
Ron

> On Jan 15, 2018, at 2:00 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I wrote an earlier mail on this subject. Good thing nobody replied, since I more or less worked it out myself. I have now generated a couple of certificates (app and installer), so I should be able to do the code signing. However, in my Keychain Access under ?My Certificates? I have a lot of folders all with the same name - com.apple.kerberos.kdc - each containing a file (key) with the same name again! How am I supposed to distinguish one from another, or don?t I have to? The Apple Developer Portal warns me to keep copies of my certificates and public and private keys, but I don?t see how to find out which ones I generated just now and which ones are just old.
> 
> It would be great to hear from someone who knows.
> 
> Graham
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 14:03:33 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:03:33 +0200
Subject: Naive Question time again
Message-ID: <052fa55f-a60b-04c1-3efb-7b176c65fd01@gmail.com>

When a new version (dp, rc, stable) of LiveCode is released how much of the
change from the previous version resides in the engine and how much in 
the IDE
(i.e. the collection of stacks starting with rev associated with the engine?

Richmond.


From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jan 15 15:43:21 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:43:21 +0000
Subject: Naive Question time again
In-Reply-To: <052fa55f-a60b-04c1-3efb-7b176c65fd01@gmail.com>
References: <052fa55f-a60b-04c1-3efb-7b176c65fd01@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRbvxnPupDKdCC4fzhR2=V8jGd8tHrC2b_P42=SeQM1tuw@mail.gmail.com>

I?m not sure that is an easy one to answer in a short email. In GitHub, the
IDE is a sub-project so most of the changes there are separated out. The
dictionary content is in the main repo though as are the extensions
(widgets/libraries). Some things require updates to both projects like the
SVG compiled drawing support. Some things are just fixed on one side.

I?ve not looked back to the beginning of 9 to see how much was split
between the 2 parts though.

Sounds like something interesting to look at though. I?ll see if I can put
anything meaningful together.
On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:04 PM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> When a new version (dp, rc, stable) of LiveCode is released how much of the
> change from the previous version resides in the engine and how much in
> the IDE
> (i.e. the collection of stacks starting with rev associated with the
> engine?
>
> Richmond.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jan 15 15:49:04 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 14:49:04 -0600
Subject: Naive Question time again
In-Reply-To: <052fa55f-a60b-04c1-3efb-7b176c65fd01@gmail.com>
References: <052fa55f-a60b-04c1-3efb-7b176c65fd01@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ef40589-7d47-d7c6-f646-ad81a14fc819@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/15/18 1:03 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
> When a new version (dp, rc, stable) of LiveCode is released how much of the
> change from the previous version resides in the engine and how much in 
> the IDE
> (i.e. the collection of stacks starting with rev associated with the 
> engine?

That info is in the Release Notes, bugs and additions to the engine and 
IDE are listed in separate sections.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From tom at makeshyft.com  Mon Jan 15 18:07:53 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 18:07:53 -0500
Subject: Naive Question time again
In-Reply-To: <6ef40589-7d47-d7c6-f646-ad81a14fc819@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <052fa55f-a60b-04c1-3efb-7b176c65fd01@gmail.com>
	<6ef40589-7d47-d7c6-f646-ad81a14fc819@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB4du_19j923HzGbuG68NEemZPrtq2yzOqgToyS0=3k+xw@mail.gmail.com>

i'm curious why you need to know that....

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 1/15/18 1:03 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> When a new version (dp, rc, stable) of LiveCode is released how much of
>> the
>> change from the previous version resides in the engine and how much in
>> the IDE
>> (i.e. the collection of stacks starting with rev associated with the
>> engine?
>>
>
> That info is in the Release Notes, bugs and additions to the engine and
> IDE are listed in separate sections.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 18:36:51 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 08:36:51 +0900
Subject: Mac path to Android SDK?
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxna+2Px0ySJed0G1pHcAUiNj=Vx2gi1tf+jA0=mnh4kEw@mail.gmail.com>

To configure Mobile prefs on Mac, where might the Android SDK be?

LC states "The root directory may look something like: ...android-sdk-mac",
so I'll try searching for that in the meantime.

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Jan 15 19:55:25 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 19:55:25 -0500
Subject: Mac path to Android SDK?
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxna+2Px0ySJed0G1pHcAUiNj=Vx2gi1tf+jA0=mnh4kEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxna+2Px0ySJed0G1pHcAUiNj=Vx2gi1tf+jA0=mnh4kEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801d38e64$b6a61d90$23f258b0$@net>

You have to download the SDK and unzip it. Get it here
==>https://developer.android.com/studio/index.html#command-tools
Scroll down to "Get just the command line tools" and download the zip file
for your platform. Unzip it.
Go to the folder and run "SDK Manager" and make sure you have download the
1) Build Tools 2) Platform Tools 3) API 27.
You also need to install JRE and JDK from the Oracle site. JDK 1.8.0 has
been working well for me.

Point LC Mobile Prefs to the folder you unzipped it to.
You should then be able to build an Android app.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 6:37 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Nicolas Cueto
Subject: Mac path to Android SDK?

To configure Mobile prefs on Mac, where might the Android SDK be?

LC states "The root directory may look something like: ...android-sdk-mac",
so I'll try searching for that in the meantime.

Thank you.

--
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jan 15 20:15:13 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 17:15:13 -0800
Subject: Mac path to Android SDK?
In-Reply-To: <000801d38e64$b6a61d90$23f258b0$@net>
References: <CAGeTkxna+2Px0ySJed0G1pHcAUiNj=Vx2gi1tf+jA0=mnh4kEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801d38e64$b6a61d90$23f258b0$@net>
Message-ID: <38e9017c-d863-dfeb-50bb-fb143939874d@sonic.net>

On 01/15/2018 04:55 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

> You also need to install JRE and JDK from the Oracle site. JDK 1.8.0 has
> been working well for me.

Although note that OpenJDK works just as well and avoids the Oracle 
unpleasantness.

http://openjdk.java.net/

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 21:31:03 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 11:31:03 +0900
Subject: Android devpt on Mac OS -- your setup?
In-Reply-To: <20180115135050.Horde.AGCVxX7_Qlb-WTiJi8X4heT@ua850258.serversignin.com>
References: <mailman.1.1516014001.8521.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<20180115135050.Horde.AGCVxX7_Qlb-WTiJi8X4heT@ua850258.serversignin.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxm0CKHgYdUsphxqyuTuy4QWFgfktcC-cJXAkjwww=5Fyg@mail.gmail.com>

Can now test on Android device from Mac. Hooray.

Thanks, Andrew. But went with what LC recommends. Kind of.

--
Nicolas Cueto

On 15 January 2018 at 22:50, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> ::: Mac OS version :::
>>
> 10.11.5 on MBP
> 10.12.6 on iMac
> school IT just forced me to update the iMac to 10.13.2 but I haven't
> compiled anything since then (thanks Apple for not backwards applying
> Meltdown/Spectre patches)
>
>
> ::: LC version(s) :::
>>
> 8.1.8 Business until the pesky "could not open module" bug crept into my
> stack. Now I'm using 9dp11 (I feel like this is dg2 related, but can't
> pinpoint that so it may be fake news)
>
>
> ::: Java JDK :::
>>
> 1.8.0_121 on MBP
> It's a holiday and the school is closed so I can't comment on the iMac,
> but since that was a clean install about 3 months ago the process is pretty
> fresh. I had to do something funky to get the JDK, and I think it was
> this... https://www.ihash.eu/2015/11/how-to-install-java-jre-8-on-ma
> c-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/
>
>
> ::: Android SDK :::
>>
>> That LC lesson advices the full Android Studio for LC post-8.1.5. Do you
>> agree?
>>
> I'm pretty sure that's the only way now. The old method didn't have a
> flashy interface (not that Android Studio does either, or is intuitive) but
> seemed to work fine for my needs.
>
>
> ::: Android SDK platform :::
>>
>> Again, that LC lesson advices the Android 4.0.3 package. Yes?
>>
> I think 4.0.3 is a must, but for some reason I also think that 4.2 and/or
> 4.2.2 was a critical breakthrough for me when I first setup this system
> about 2 years ago.
>
>
> --Andrew Bell
>
>
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jan 15 23:13:16 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 04:13:16 +0000
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRahbiHMmR8yR0nOEqbr8p_3Ejtnbj+pYGiOjqiFqL7p+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EDAF81A2-EE24-452F-8725-A7A33F57C77D@sbcglobal.net>
	<9da287fc-7562-f9ff-70bf-a8884c237b0d@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+yhkRahbiHMmR8yR0nOEqbr8p_3Ejtnbj+pYGiOjqiFqL7p+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaWzuqLCiC+7bg4+gE+aXp7AagrHWyP42UP7Y-Qn3J9Kg@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a function for Windows that will replace <p> with <div> and include
"&nbsp;" for multiple spaces.  It retains the other formatting.  (It won't
catch paragraph level formatting as is though.)  So if you are copying
code, this could be used to clean it for paste as rich text:

*on* mouseUp
   *local* tFormat, tClipboard
   *lock* clipboard
   *put* "HTML Format" into tFormat
   *put* the rawClipboardData[tFormat] into tClipboard
   *replace* "<p>" with "<div>" in tClipboard
   *replace* "</p>" with "</div>" in tClipboard
   *replace* "  " with "&nbsp;&nbsp;" in tClipboard
   *replace* "&nbsp; " with "&nbsp;&nbsp;" in tClipboard
   *set* the itemdel to ":"
   *put* format("%10d", offset("<!--End", tClipboard) - 1) into item 2 of
line 5 of tClipboard
   *put* format("%10d", offset("<!--End", tClipboard) + 32) into item 2 of
line 3 of tClipboard
   *set* the rawClipboardData[tFormat] to tClipboard
   *unlock* clipboard
*end* mouseUp

The code for MacOS is simpler (the 2 put's following the itemdel are not
needed, the format name is "public.html", not sure about Linux).  I copied
the above code in LC and then clicked the button to fix it before pasting
here.

Changing the tags is probably a good thing to do in the engine code.  I'm
not so sure about the spaces though.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:43 PM Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:

> The problem in this case is the HTML format data (and possibly RTF) on the
> clipboard. Testing in Windows, if I just put the LC styled text and plain
> text on the clipboard, it works to get plain text outside of LC but retain
> formatting inside. If I try to paste the RTF or LC data into Excel, I just
> get a beep. HTML gives the double space text. The plain text formats work
> as expected. So if the destination application accepts HTML, that is what
> it takes.
>
> This does not mean that the clipboard data is necessarily correct right
> now. I?m not sure wrapping single spaced text in <P> tags is correct. I?m
> not an expert there, so this may be an area that could be improved.
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:51 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Richard Burkett wrote:
>>
>>  > on mouseUp
>>  >    put fld "myField" into tClip
>>  >    lock the clipBoard
>>  >    set the ClipboardData to empty
>>  >    set the ClipboardData to tClip
>>  >    put the clipboardData["text"] into tClip
>>  >    set the rawclipBoardData to empty
>>  >    if the platform is "MacOS" then
>>  >       set the rawClipboardData["public.utf8-plain-text"] \
>>  >             to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" )   -- OSX
>>  >    else if the platform is "Linux" then
>>  >       set the rawClipboardData["text/plain;charset=utf-8"] \
>>  >             to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-8" ) -- Linux
>>  >    else if the platform contains "Win" then
>>  >       set the rawClipboardData["CF_UNICODE"] \
>>  >             to textEncode(tClip, "UTF-16" ) -- Windows
>>  >    end if
>>  >    unlock the clipBoard
>>  > end mouseUp
>>
>> Nice, but not as nice as:
>>
>>    copy
>>
>> I appreciate that we have the flexibility to do arcane things with the
>> Clipboard when needed, but shouldn't the copy command handle the most
>> common cases without requiring new users to research and experiment in
>> the hope of arriving at the above block of code?
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Systems
>>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>   ____________________________________________________________________
>>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 03:43:03 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 10:43:03 +0200
Subject: Naive Question time again
In-Reply-To: <CAEk4XB4du_19j923HzGbuG68NEemZPrtq2yzOqgToyS0=3k+xw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <052fa55f-a60b-04c1-3efb-7b176c65fd01@gmail.com>
	<6ef40589-7d47-d7c6-f646-ad81a14fc819@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAEk4XB4du_19j923HzGbuG68NEemZPrtq2yzOqgToyS0=3k+xw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b4be8519-3f18-401b-f681-7b80a2b03c37@gmail.com>

Because I want to play "silly games" swapping engines around.

Richmond.


On 16.01.2018 01:07, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> i'm curious why you need to know that....
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 3:49 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/15/18 1:03 PM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> When a new version (dp, rc, stable) of LiveCode is released how much of
>>> the
>>> change from the previous version resides in the engine and how much in
>>> the IDE
>>> (i.e. the collection of stacks starting with rev associated with the
>>> engine?
>>>
>> That info is in the Release Notes, bugs and additions to the engine and
>> IDE are listed in separate sections.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>>
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From mark at livecode.com  Tue Jan 16 06:17:28 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:17:28 +0100
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRaWzuqLCiC+7bg4+gE+aXp7AagrHWyP42UP7Y-Qn3J9Kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EDAF81A2-EE24-452F-8725-A7A33F57C77D@sbcglobal.net>
	<9da287fc-7562-f9ff-70bf-a8884c237b0d@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+yhkRahbiHMmR8yR0nOEqbr8p_3Ejtnbj+pYGiOjqiFqL7p+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRaWzuqLCiC+7bg4+gE+aXp7AagrHWyP42UP7Y-Qn3J9Kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c52490b3e2d11fd78e53f59a1f60ae3b@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-16 05:13, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> The code for MacOS is simpler (the 2 put's following the itemdel are 
> not
> needed, the format name is "public.html", not sure about Linux).  I 
> copied
> the above code in LC and then clicked the button to fix it before 
> pasting
> here.
> 
> Changing the tags is probably a good thing to do in the engine code.  
> I'm
> not so sure about the spaces though.

We can't change the tags for 'htmlText' - i.e. LiveCode's html-like 
styled text representation as many people process it by looking for 'p' 
tags. However, we could add a 'real' HTML converter for the clipboard 
which could use 'div'.

I wonder if the space issue is solved by using an xml:space="preserve" 
attribute?

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From mark at livecode.com  Tue Jan 16 06:25:32 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:25:32 +0100
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 172, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <9da287fc-7562-f9ff-70bf-a8884c237b0d@fourthworld.com>
References: <EDAF81A2-EE24-452F-8725-A7A33F57C77D@sbcglobal.net>
	<9da287fc-7562-f9ff-70bf-a8884c237b0d@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <a00d298489019b3b6029ce104fd5001f@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-11 20:50, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Richard Burkett wrote:
> Nice, but not as nice as:
> 
>   copy
> 
> I appreciate that we have the flexibility to do arcane things with the
> Clipboard when needed, but shouldn't the copy command handle the most
> common cases without requiring new users to research and experiment in
> the hope of arriving at the above block of code?

Indeed - the copy command should.

The fact the above can now be written in LiveCode Script means it is 
much easier to work out how to make the copy command 'do the right 
thing'.

Indeed, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to seriously consider 
implementing most clipboard functionality in script - based around the 
raw clipboard support we have (the clipboardData / fullClipboardData are 
both implemented in terms of the raw clipboard in the engine).

The main missing piece at the moment is the ability to bind the syntax 
to said script handlers, rather than internal C++ engine methods.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
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LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jan 16 09:03:15 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:03:15 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help
Message-ID: <68BF31BB-2610-4D7D-BA0A-783F2BC7C1AF@major-k.de>

Hi freidns,

now I created a new "app" at my Dropbox account and received an 
app ID and an app "secret".

Now I want to simply upload a file to my dropbox but what on earth
has the infamous "pAccessToken" to do with the app ID and app "secret"?

If nothing where can I get my "pAccessToken"?
...
put url("binfile:" & path_to_pdf_file_here) into pData
dropboxUpload ?????????, "name_of_target_file.pdf", "overwrite", "", "", pData
...

As you see, i have no idea so far, any help much appreciated! :-)


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Tue Jan 16 09:09:52 2018
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 07:09:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Dropbox help
In-Reply-To: <68BF31BB-2610-4D7D-BA0A-783F2BC7C1AF@major-k.de>
References: <68BF31BB-2610-4D7D-BA0A-783F2BC7C1AF@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <1516111792392-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Does this help?

https://blogs.dropbox.com/developers/2014/05/generate-an-access-token-for-your-own-account/
<https://blogs.dropbox.com/developers/2014/05/generate-an-access-token-for-your-own-account/>  



-----
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jan 16 09:17:05 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:17:05 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help
In-Reply-To: <1516111792392-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <68BF31BB-2610-4D7D-BA0A-783F2BC7C1AF@major-k.de>
	<1516111792392-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <E35154F0-B33F-4E09-BCD6-3A29DD440D1D@major-k.de>

Hi Andy,

> Am 16.01.2018 um 15:09 schrieb AndyP via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Does this help?
> 
> https://blogs.dropbox.com/developers/2014/05/generate-an-access-token-for-your-own-account/
> <https://blogs.dropbox.com/developers/2014/05/generate-an-access-token-for-your-own-account/>  

yes, thanks a lot!

> -----
> Andy Piddock 

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 16 09:28:49 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 14:28:49 +0000
Subject: Dropbox help
In-Reply-To: <68BF31BB-2610-4D7D-BA0A-783F2BC7C1AF@major-k.de>
References: <68BF31BB-2610-4D7D-BA0A-783F2BC7C1AF@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPDBYCx0a9eHd=WD7uvgQ8kV+hWTYWo-U3cko8cbBbHJA@mail.gmail.com>

Klaus,
The good news is that this is all fairly straightforward.
appKey, appSecret, tokenKey, and tokenSecret are all obsolete and should
not do anything.  You need the ?Generated Access Token?.
1) Go to www.dropbox.com/developers/apps
2) Tap on your app
3) Scroll down to the ?Generated access token? button.  Hit the button,
copy the code
4) This is your oauth2 token that you will use in your code
4.5) I have ?allow implicit grant? set to ?Allow? for several of my apps,
because it makes the process less complicated, but YMMV.  I do not fiddle
with the URL?s, redirects, webhooks, etc.
5) If you?re using 9, use LC?s dropbox library that is built into LC. If
you?re using 8, you can copy it from 9 or you can grab it from my github
repo (I?m a couple commits ahead of LC?s version due to a couple bug
fixes).  www.github.com/macmikey/lcdropboxlibrary
6) Grab Gerard?s dropbox 2 stack either from his repo or from mine so you
can do some testing with something we know works.  His api is slightly
different b/c Monte modified it when he added it to LC, but the syntax is
close enough and the mapping is 1:1.  Gerard has a couple of new features
he just added that have not been integrated into LC?s library, yet.

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 09:04 Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi freidns,
>
> now I created a new "app" at my Dropbox account and received an
> app ID and an app "secret".
>
> Now I want to simply upload a file to my dropbox but what on earth
> has the infamous "pAccessToken" to do with the app ID and app "secret"?
>
> If nothing where can I get my "pAccessToken"?
> ...
> put url("binfile:" & path_to_pdf_file_here) into pData
> dropboxUpload ?????????, "name_of_target_file.pdf", "overwrite", "", "",
> pData
> ...
>
> As you see, i have no idea so far, any help much appreciated! :-)
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Jan 16 13:10:38 2018
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:10:38 +0000
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
Message-ID: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>

I'm aware that there are a couple of libraries floating around for reading 
Excel documents - do any of them allow the formatting of runs of text within 
cells to be read? I want to import some data where some of the text in a cell 
may contain some parts which are in italics or bold. Are there existing 
libraries that support this use?

Many thanks,

Ben



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jan 16 14:23:16 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 20:23:16 +0100
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
In-Reply-To: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
References: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <C5B10D9D-CC68-445A-89FF-5E99CA93FC2D@m-r-d.de>

Ben,

i am uising Spreadlib and Excel Libary. Both do not take care for text format.
At least i am not aware of it.

Regards,
Matthias



Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?

> Am 16.01.2018 um 19:10 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> I'm aware that there are a couple of libraries floating around for reading Excel documents - do any of them allow the formatting of runs of text within cells to be read? I want to import some data where some of the text in a cell may contain some parts which are in italics or bold. Are there existing libraries that support this use?
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Ben
> 
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 15:22:10 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 05:22:10 +0900
Subject: deploying to multiple mobile devices
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxnz+HLgxpzt_7f8wwR1s+bZX_-uVgC2ZdVR6B_=wqOnkg@mail.gmail.com>

Some of my stacks are for a classroom situation, so would like to deploy to
the various smartphones of  class sizes of 3 to 20 students  (1) preferably
cable-free (Wifi?), (2) easily for the end-user, and (3) as simultaneously
as possible.

On Mac and for iOS, it seems the best (only?) choice is Jacqueline Landman
Gay's AirLaunch <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/airlaunch/index.html>,
specially since it does so from withing LC itself.

But for Android? and on Windows?

--
Nicolas Cueto


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 15:32:01 2018
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:32:01 +0100
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
In-Reply-To: <C5B10D9D-CC68-445A-89FF-5E99CA93FC2D@m-r-d.de>
References: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
	<C5B10D9D-CC68-445A-89FF-5E99CA93FC2D@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>

In the Excel Lib, the command XCEL_Range_FontStyle_Get is returning
the style of the whole cell or range. We have no function to read the
style of each char, at this moment.
However, both VBA and AppleScript are offering this possibility, so
this is a function we can add. A possible solution would consist to
explore the style of each chars in a cell, then return the result in
html to have it directly usable in LiveCode. I'm not sure of the
performances of this approach, though. It will depend on how many
cells the sheet have and how many text each cells are containing.

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Ben,
>
> i am uising Spreadlib and Excel Libary. Both do not take care for text format.
> At least i am not aware of it.
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
>
>
>
> Matthias Rebbe
> Tel +49 5741 310000
> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
>
>> Am 16.01.2018 um 19:10 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>>
>> I'm aware that there are a couple of libraries floating around for reading Excel documents - do any of them allow the formatting of runs of text within cells to be read? I want to import some data where some of the text in a cell may contain some parts which are in italics or bold. Are there existing libraries that support this use?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Ben
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 15:42:11 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:42:11 +0200
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
	<C5B10D9D-CC68-445A-89FF-5E99CA93FC2D@m-r-d.de>
	<CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3ff1dca-081c-9a5f-6bf5-4ffb8aad75a1@gmail.com>

It is amazing how many online xls to html converters are available . . . 
if only one could get at their code . . .

This loooks a bit "dicky" as it is either to a barebones html file and a 
load of connected files or to
something called an .mht or .mhtml file.

Here's something else: 
http://www.softinterface.com/Convert-XLS/Features/Convert-XLS-To-HTML-XML.htm

Thinking . . .

Richmond.

On 16/1/2018 10:32 pm, zryip theSlug via use-livecode wrote:
> In the Excel Lib, the command XCEL_Range_FontStyle_Get is returning
> the style of the whole cell or range. We have no function to read the
> style of each char, at this moment.
> However, both VBA and AppleScript are offering this possibility, so
> this is a function we can add. A possible solution would consist to
> explore the style of each chars in a cell, then return the result in
> html to have it directly usable in LiveCode. I'm not sure of the
> performances of this approach, though. It will depend on how many
> cells the sheet have and how many text each cells are containing.
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Ben,
>>
>> i am uising Spreadlib and Excel Libary. Both do not take care for text format.
>> At least i am not aware of it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Tel +49 5741 310000
>> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
>>
>>> Am 16.01.2018 um 19:10 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>>>
>>> I'm aware that there are a couple of libraries floating around for reading Excel documents - do any of them allow the formatting of runs of text within cells to be read? I want to import some data where some of the text in a cell may contain some parts which are in italics or bold. Are there existing libraries that support this use?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jan 16 15:52:11 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:52:11 +0100
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
	<C5B10D9D-CC68-445A-89FF-5E99CA93FC2D@m-r-d.de>
	<CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0EE27E02-FCFD-49D9-BF95-F60DD621A332@m-r-d.de>

As i wrote ? at least i am not aware of it? ;)

good to know. That this is possible.

Btw.: Do you know if it is also possible to read/get the tooltip of a cell of better said of a range of cells?

Regards
Matthias


Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?

> Am 16.01.2018 um 21:32 schrieb zryip theSlug via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> In the Excel Lib, the command XCEL_Range_FontStyle_Get is returning
> the style of the whole cell or range. We have no function to read the
> style of each char, at this moment.
> However, both VBA and AppleScript are offering this possibility, so
> this is a function we can add. A possible solution would consist to
> explore the style of each chars in a cell, then return the result in
> html to have it directly usable in LiveCode. I'm not sure of the
> performances of this approach, though. It will depend on how many
> cells the sheet have and how many text each cells are containing.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> Ben,
>> 
>> i am uising Spreadlib and Excel Libary. Both do not take care for text format.
>> At least i am not aware of it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Tel +49 5741 310000
>> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/> <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/ <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>>?
>> 
>>> Am 16.01.2018 um 19:10 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>>:
>>> 
>>> I'm aware that there are a couple of libraries floating around for reading Excel documents - do any of them allow the formatting of runs of text within cells to be read? I want to import some data where some of the text in a cell may contain some parts which are in italics or bold. Are there existing libraries that support this use?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 15:54:03 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:54:03 +0200
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
	<C5B10D9D-CC68-445A-89FF-5E99CA93FC2D@m-r-d.de>
	<CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a56e55b-e316-12d7-0ef2-f24682f9a375@gmail.com>

Open Office can read Excel files and successfully export them to .html 
preserving ALL formatting!

As Open Office is open source code . . . .

https://www.openoffice.org/

I have just imported a styled .html file exported from an Open Office 
Spreadsheet into a textField in LiveCode 7.1.4

Richmond.

On 16/1/2018 10:32 pm, zryip theSlug via use-livecode wrote:
> In the Excel Lib, the command XCEL_Range_FontStyle_Get is returning
> the style of the whole cell or range. We have no function to read the
> style of each char, at this moment.
> However, both VBA and AppleScript are offering this possibility, so
> this is a function we can add. A possible solution would consist to
> explore the style of each chars in a cell, then return the result in
> html to have it directly usable in LiveCode. I'm not sure of the
> performances of this approach, though. It will depend on how many
> cells the sheet have and how many text each cells are containing.
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Ben,
>>
>> i am uising Spreadlib and Excel Libary. Both do not take care for text format.
>> At least i am not aware of it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Tel +49 5741 310000
>> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
>>
>>> Am 16.01.2018 um 19:10 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>>>
>>> I'm aware that there are a couple of libraries floating around for reading Excel documents - do any of them allow the formatting of runs of text within cells to be read? I want to import some data where some of the text in a cell may contain some parts which are in italics or bold. Are there existing libraries that support this use?
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
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>>> use-livecode mailing list
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 16:32:39 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 23:32:39 +0200
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
In-Reply-To: <2a56e55b-e316-12d7-0ef2-f24682f9a375@gmail.com>
References: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
	<C5B10D9D-CC68-445A-89FF-5E99CA93FC2D@m-r-d.de>
	<CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a56e55b-e316-12d7-0ef2-f24682f9a375@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6da082e-ff51-6219-abbb-9f50146c1bf6@gmail.com>

If you could find a way to export a tab-delimited RTF file from your 
spreadsheet program
you might be laughing.

Richmond.

On 16/1/2018 10:54 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Open Office can read Excel files and successfully export them to .html 
> preserving ALL formatting!
>
> As Open Office is open source code . . . .
>
> https://www.openoffice.org/
>
> I have just imported a styled .html file exported from an Open Office 
> Spreadsheet into a textField in LiveCode 7.1.4
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 16/1/2018 10:32 pm, zryip theSlug via use-livecode wrote:
>> In the Excel Lib, the command XCEL_Range_FontStyle_Get is returning
>> the style of the whole cell or range. We have no function to read the
>> style of each char, at this moment.
>> However, both VBA and AppleScript are offering this possibility, so
>> this is a function we can add. A possible solution would consist to
>> explore the style of each chars in a cell, then return the result in
>> html to have it directly usable in LiveCode. I'm not sure of the
>> performances of this approach, though. It will depend on how many
>> cells the sheet have and how many text each cells are containing.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>  wrote:
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> i am uising Spreadlib and Excel Libary. Both do not take care for text format.
>>> At least i am not aware of it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>> Tel +49 5741 310000
>>> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu  <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
>>>
>>>> Am 16.01.2018 um 19:10 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>>>>
>>>> I'm aware that there are a couple of libraries floating around for reading Excel documents - do any of them allow the formatting of runs of text within cells to be read? I want to import some data where some of the text in a cell may contain some parts which are in italics or bold. Are there existing libraries that support this use?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>>
>



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 16:43:47 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 23:43:47 +0200
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
In-Reply-To: <b6da082e-ff51-6219-abbb-9f50146c1bf6@gmail.com>
References: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
	<C5B10D9D-CC68-445A-89FF-5E99CA93FC2D@m-r-d.de>
	<CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2a56e55b-e316-12d7-0ef2-f24682f9a375@gmail.com>
	<b6da082e-ff51-6219-abbb-9f50146c1bf6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3a5dc17b-05b8-bf46-bac5-f90e15022192@gmail.com>

If you export html from Open Office Calc / Excel, then import it into a 
textfield, and then
move it into a Basic Table Field like this:

set the columnDelimiter to TAB
set the htmlText of fld "fSPREAD" to the text of fld "fTEXT"

where field "fSPREAD" is a table field

all the styling from your original spreadsheet file [ .ods / .xls ] will 
be preserved.

The ONLY problem is that the data is spreas apart over many "cells", but 
that should be capable
of being cleared up comparatively simply.

Richmond.


On 16/1/2018 11:32 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> If you could find a way to export a tab-delimited RTF file from your 
> spreadsheet program
> you might be laughing.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 16/1/2018 10:54 pm, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> Open Office can read Excel files and successfully export them to 
>> .html preserving ALL formatting!
>>
>> As Open Office is open source code . . . .
>>
>> https://www.openoffice.org/
>>
>> I have just imported a styled .html file exported from an Open Office 
>> Spreadsheet into a textField in LiveCode 7.1.4
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> On 16/1/2018 10:32 pm, zryip theSlug via use-livecode wrote:
>>> In the Excel Lib, the command XCEL_Range_FontStyle_Get is returning
>>> the style of the whole cell or range. We have no function to read the
>>> style of each char, at this moment.
>>> However, both VBA and AppleScript are offering this possibility, so
>>> this is a function we can add. A possible solution would consist to
>>> explore the style of each chars in a cell, then return the result in
>>> html to have it directly usable in LiveCode. I'm not sure of the
>>> performances of this approach, though. It will depend on how many
>>> cells the sheet have and how many text each cells are containing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>  wrote:
>>>> Ben,
>>>>
>>>> i am uising Spreadlib and Excel Libary. Both do not take care for text format.
>>>> At least i am not aware of it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>>> Tel +49 5741 310000
>>>> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu  <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
>>>>
>>>>> Am 16.01.2018 um 19:10 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm aware that there are a couple of libraries floating around for reading Excel documents - do any of them allow the formatting of runs of text within cells to be read? I want to import some data where some of the text in a cell may contain some parts which are in italics or bold. Are there existing libraries that support this use?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 16:55:05 2018
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:55:05 +0100
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
In-Reply-To: <0EE27E02-FCFD-49D9-BF95-F60DD621A332@m-r-d.de>
References: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
	<C5B10D9D-CC68-445A-89FF-5E99CA93FC2D@m-r-d.de>
	<CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0EE27E02-FCFD-49D9-BF95-F60DD621A332@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDrVOMrxQdNGAynuWWOb_oj9G+KFigpFVcrGsbWhBM1EVg@mail.gmail.com>

Matthias, if by tooltip, you meant the comment associated to a cell,
yes this is something potentially possible, too.


On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:52 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> As i wrote ? at least i am not aware of it? ;)
>
> good to know. That this is possible.
>
> Btw.: Do you know if it is also possible to read/get the tooltip of a cell of better said of a range of cells?
>
> Regards
> Matthias
>
>
> Matthias Rebbe
> Tel +49 5741 310000
> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
>
>> Am 16.01.2018 um 21:32 schrieb zryip theSlug via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>>
>> In the Excel Lib, the command XCEL_Range_FontStyle_Get is returning
>> the style of the whole cell or range. We have no function to read the
>> style of each char, at this moment.
>> However, both VBA and AppleScript are offering this possibility, so
>> this is a function we can add. A possible solution would consist to
>> explore the style of each chars in a cell, then return the result in
>> html to have it directly usable in LiveCode. I'm not sure of the
>> performances of this approach, though. It will depend on how many
>> cells the sheet have and how many text each cells are containing.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>> Ben,
>>>
>>> i am uising Spreadlib and Excel Libary. Both do not take care for text format.
>>> At least i am not aware of it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>> Tel +49 5741 310000
>>> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/> <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/ <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>>?
>>>
>>>> Am 16.01.2018 um 19:10 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>>:
>>>>
>>>> I'm aware that there are a couple of libraries floating around for reading Excel documents - do any of them allow the formatting of runs of text within cells to be read? I want to import some data where some of the text in a cell may contain some parts which are in italics or bold. Are there existing libraries that support this use?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode <http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode>
>>>
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>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode <http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zryip TheSlug
>> http://www.aslugontheroad.com <http://www.aslugontheroad.com/>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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-- 
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 16 17:30:29 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:30:29 -0600
Subject: deploying to multiple mobile devices
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxnz+HLgxpzt_7f8wwR1s+bZX_-uVgC2ZdVR6B_=wqOnkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxnz+HLgxpzt_7f8wwR1s+bZX_-uVgC2ZdVR6B_=wqOnkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3ae75586-ae63-b327-7b14-455b9fc4a982@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/16/18 2:22 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode wrote:
> Some of my stacks are for a classroom situation, so would like to deploy to
> the various smartphones of  class sizes of 3 to 20 students  (1) preferably
> cable-free (Wifi?), (2) easily for the end-user, and (3) as simultaneously
> as possible.
> 
> On Mac and for iOS, it seems the best (only?) choice is Jacqueline Landman
> Gay's AirLaunch <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/airlaunch/index.html>,
> specially since it does so from withing LC itself.
> 
> But for Android? and on Windows?

Android apps can be downloaded from anywhere if the user has turned on 
the option to download apps from "unknown sources", so all you need to 
do is put the apk file on a server somewhere and give out the link. The 
user goes to the link in a browser on their mobile device and when they 
click it, the app will install. If their device prefs do not allow 
installation from "unknown sousrces", they can turn the option on 
temporarily in the Security section of the Android system settings.

On iOS, no distribution is possible until you have built the app with a 
profile that contains the UUID for each user device. AirLaunch, or any 
other third-party solution, will prepare the app for distribution but 
iOS won't install it without the correct distribution profile. Apple 
provides TestFlight which overcomes some of this limitation but I have 
never used it so I'm not sure exactly how it works. Someone more 
familiar with it would know more.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Tue Jan 16 17:58:16 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 17:58:16 -0500
Subject: deploying to multiple mobile devices
In-Reply-To: <3ae75586-ae63-b327-7b14-455b9fc4a982@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGeTkxnz+HLgxpzt_7f8wwR1s+bZX_-uVgC2ZdVR6B_=wqOnkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3ae75586-ae63-b327-7b14-455b9fc4a982@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <008d01d38f1d$818f92d0$84aeb870$@net>

Copying the apk to the server and sending the email is a manual operation
but could be added to AirLaunch?

Just to add to what JLM said. I ran into this problem last night after a
call from some testers. Installing on the device can now be a little
trickier if the Chrome browser is installed. The Chrome download manager no
longer lets you install an apk. When my users(testers) clicked on the apk on
the Chrome Downloads page the users are now receiving this message "Cant
Open File". That is why some users may need to use a file explorer app("OS
built in" or "ES file explorer" or "Astro") in order to install the app.

At first I thought it was the apk copy to the server or the web server was
at fault until I found out it was Chrome's new security protocol.
 
Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 5:30 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: J. Landman Gay
Subject: Re: deploying to multiple mobile devices

On 1/16/18 2:22 PM, Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode wrote:
> Some of my stacks are for a classroom situation, so would like to 
> deploy to the various smartphones of  class sizes of 3 to 20 students  
> (1) preferably cable-free (Wifi?), (2) easily for the end-user, and 
> (3) as simultaneously as possible.
> 
> On Mac and for iOS, it seems the best (only?) choice is Jacqueline 
> Landman Gay's AirLaunch 
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/airlaunch/index.html>,
> specially since it does so from withing LC itself.
> 
> But for Android? and on Windows?

Android apps can be downloaded from anywhere if the user has turned on the
option to download apps from "unknown sources", so all you need to do is put
the apk file on a server somewhere and give out the link. The user goes to
the link in a browser on their mobile device and when they click it, the app
will install. If their device prefs do not allow installation from "unknown
sousrces", they can turn the option on temporarily in the Security section
of the Android system settings.

On iOS, no distribution is possible until you have built the app with a
profile that contains the UUID for each user device. AirLaunch, or any other
third-party solution, will prepare the app for distribution but iOS won't
install it without the correct distribution profile. Apple provides
TestFlight which overcomes some of this limitation but I have never used it
so I'm not sure exactly how it works. Someone more familiar with it would
know more.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jan 16 19:23:21 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:23:21 -0800
Subject: OT: Idiot UX
Message-ID: <c1b889a6-f5d4-5a03-2e65-8c8303bb7818@sonic.net>

https://boingboing.net/2018/01/16/bad-design-this-is-the-menu-w.html

 From the comments:

* Acronym stew
* Not alphabetized
* No clear separation between ?production? and ?test? messages
* Arbitrary classifications
* Arbitrary word ordering
* No distinction of event severity
* Wall of text (should have bullets or some other separator between records)

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 16 21:40:24 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:40:24 -0800
Subject: Roadmap: "Automated REST API wrapping"?
Message-ID: <90ffd6be-87f3-ab4c-dcf6-d3dd285e41ae@fourthworld.com>

The LC Roadmap at <https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/> includes 
under "Planned":

   Automated REST API wrapping

Sounds enticing.  What is it?

And is there even a loose, no-I-won't-hold-you-to-it-but-just-curious 
target version?

If it's what I think it is it may be a real boon to getting people to 
adopt good REST practices.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 16 22:22:03 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 22:22:03 -0500
Subject: Roadmap: "Automated REST API wrapping"?
In-Reply-To: <90ffd6be-87f3-ab4c-dcf6-d3dd285e41ae@fourthworld.com>
References: <90ffd6be-87f3-ab4c-dcf6-d3dd285e41ae@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPXU+kdWwPtB8qib48zNn-rCcHj_n3FqzQExBMb585qwA@mail.gmail.com>

This was discussed at LCG but I'll get the month wrong - August?

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The LC Roadmap at <https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/> includes
> under "Planned":
>
>   Automated REST API wrapping
>
> Sounds enticing.  What is it?
>
> And is there even a loose, no-I-won't-hold-you-to-it-but-just-curious
> target version?
>
> If it's what I think it is it may be a real boon to getting people to
> adopt good REST practices.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 16 22:29:43 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 19:29:43 -0800
Subject: Roadmap: "Automated REST API wrapping"?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPXU+kdWwPtB8qib48zNn-rCcHj_n3FqzQExBMb585qwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPXU+kdWwPtB8qib48zNn-rCcHj_n3FqzQExBMb585qwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fd9d77ad-9b65-e6db-b935-770a33273afe@fourthworld.com>

Mike Kerner wrote:

 > On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> The LC Roadmap at <https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/> includes
 >> under "Planned":
 >>
 >>   Automated REST API wrapping
 >>
 >> Sounds enticing.  What is it?
 >> And is there even a loose, no-I-won't-hold-you-to-it-but-just-curious
 >> target version?
 >
 > This was discussed at LCG but I'll get the month wrong - August?

I could go hunt it down, but since we're here and for the benefit of 
those who may not have access to those for-fee-only sessions, could 
someone working on that offer at least a brief summary here?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 16 22:38:51 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 19:38:51 -0800
Subject: deploying to multiple mobile devices
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxnz+HLgxpzt_7f8wwR1s+bZX_-uVgC2ZdVR6B_=wqOnkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxnz+HLgxpzt_7f8wwR1s+bZX_-uVgC2ZdVR6B_=wqOnkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8e806f81-b09e-73f5-2ccb-800430904c0e@fourthworld.com>

Nicolas Cueto wrote:

 > Some of my stacks are for a classroom situation, so would like to
 > deploy to the various smartphones of  class sizes of 3 to 20 students
 >  (1) preferably cable-free (Wifi?), (2) easily for the end-user, and
 > (3) as simultaneously as possible.

Is this a classroom you work with directly, or a product for others to 
use in their own classrooms?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Jan 16 22:41:06 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 12:41:06 +0900
Subject: deploying to multiple mobile devices
In-Reply-To: <8e806f81-b09e-73f5-2ccb-800430904c0e@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGeTkxnz+HLgxpzt_7f8wwR1s+bZX_-uVgC2ZdVR6B_=wqOnkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8e806f81-b09e-73f5-2ccb-800430904c0e@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxkacDBz2RyhzxVAwvuBPuFbv01-DDs1fRJErbu9Co9zYQ@mail.gmail.com>

> Is this a classroom you work with directly, or a product for others to
use in their own classrooms?

Directly.


On 17 January 2018 at 12:38, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Nicolas Cueto wrote:
>
> > Some of my stacks are for a classroom situation, so would like to
> > deploy to the various smartphones of  class sizes of 3 to 20 students
> >  (1) preferably cable-free (Wifi?), (2) easily for the end-user, and
> > (3) as simultaneously as possible.
>
> Is this a classroom you work with directly, or a product for others to use
> in their own classrooms?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From christer at mindcrea.com  Wed Jan 17 00:48:58 2018
From: christer at mindcrea.com (=?utf-8?Q?Pyyhti=C3=A4_Christer?=)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 07:48:58 +0200
Subject: Sending from mobile hotspot to WLAN enabled IoTs
Message-ID: <F6EA4311-CADE-4AFC-AFB9-E1E8EBB24EE1@mindcrea.com>

Is there any way in LiveCode to direct the mobile device (Android / iOS) to send calls to WLAN enabled IoT devices.  For example to detect such devices?
 
Christer Pyyhti?
MindCrea Ltd
christer at mindcrea.com




From curry at pair.com  Wed Jan 17 01:34:35 2018
From: curry at pair.com (Curry Kenworthy)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:34:35 -0500
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
In-Reply-To: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
References: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <5A5EEE7B.50904@pair.com>


Ben wrote:

 > I want to import some data where some of the text in a
 > cell may contain some parts which are in italics or bold.

SpreadLib doesn't have styles for IMPORT yet, but SpreadOut already has 
them for EXPORT. Text size, bold/italic/etc, pics. At least my dev 
version does! I need to wrap up this version for public release - I'll 
try to speed that up and get it posted soon.

(Depending on how close they are to completion, FieldTrip may be first 
in line for update, because I had several requests for it and haven't 
forgotten.)

SpreadOut was lucky and got the style features and pics implemented 
first, and it's pretty cool to save stylin' spreadsheets from Livecode. 
I'll have to add those features to the import code in another version. 
Perhaps italic and bold can come sooner than the rest, we'll see.

There's so much that Excel and other spreadsheets can do, really amazing 
and handy. Using the genuine and original SpreadLib library, it's easy 
to import to a LiveCode field or array and use the data to empower all 
sorts of projects.

Best wishes,

Curry Kenworthy

WordLib: Take charge of MS Word and OpenOffice documents
SpreadLib: "Excel-lent" spreadsheet import/export for LC
http://livecodeaddons.com/




From bogdanoff at me.com  Wed Jan 17 03:01:30 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 00:01:30 -0800
Subject: OT: Idiot UX
In-Reply-To: <c1b889a6-f5d4-5a03-2e65-8c8303bb7818@sonic.net>
References: <c1b889a6-f5d4-5a03-2e65-8c8303bb7818@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <D5AADC9F-DDF9-4D3D-9614-8D5E5BBC56EF@me.com>

Bad design? NO design!


> On Jan 16, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> https://boingboing.net/2018/01/16/bad-design-this-is-the-menu-w.html
> 
> From the comments:
> 
> * Acronym stew
> * Not alphabetized
> * No clear separation between ?production? and ?test? messages
> * Arbitrary classifications
> * Arbitrary word ordering
> * No distinction of event severity
> * Wall of text (should have bullets or some other separator between records)
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 04:53:11 2018
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:53:11 +0000
Subject: Activation problem
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VDC6fA-A9NozHdSyQGCd33G-sig6a4G-a2WXZy4NG+WGw@mail.gmail.com>

HI All

Just tried to start work (using 6.7.11) and I got an activation box come up
saying the sessiion has lapsed.

Tried it also on my MAC just in case ... no go.

So I went to my LC9 DP 11 and again "The session has lapsed - try again".
and it wouldn't automatically activate.

So I go to the livecode.com site and it's blank.

The pagesource shows some meddling.


<!DOCTYPE html>
<!--[if IE 8 ]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#" class="ie8">
<![endif]-->
<!--[if IE 9 ]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#" class="ie9">
<![endif]-->
<!--[if gt IE 9]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#"> <![endif]-->
<!--[if !IE]> <!--> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#"> <!--<![endif]-->
<head>
<meta charset="UTF-8" />
<title>LiveCode</title>
<meta content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0" name="viewport">
<link rel="pingback" href="https://livecode.com/xmlrpc.php" />

<link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125.png" /> <link
rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125-2.png" sizes
="114x114" /> <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125-3.png" sizes
="72x72" /> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="
https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/favicon-32x32-1.png">

Now I don't know about you but if I have somerthing that needs activating
and there are no builtin failsafes i am not a happy bunny. - expletives
deleted.

There should be at least 1 or 2 other activation domains on a different
infrastructure - this is only the second time in a couple of years but
short of a nuclear war then it is 2 too many.

There should at least be a domain where we can all download a manual
activation that last at least as long as our subscription - or is that too
much to ask.

Now I know I can install community version - assuming there are no
commercial dependencies but I really do have better things to do as do we
all.

Anyone noticed this or is this just in my area of the world?

Kindest Regards Lagi


From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Wed Jan 17 04:58:28 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:58:28 +0000
Subject: Activation problem
In-Reply-To: <CAG1h1VDC6fA-A9NozHdSyQGCd33G-sig6a4G-a2WXZy4NG+WGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VDC6fA-A9NozHdSyQGCd33G-sig6a4G-a2WXZy4NG+WGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq9fnH8P4EyCv404O4c7Dhjb7jwG=5ZuQV5gGP6wQr-ODQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lagi,

We are working on that. As a workaround, turn off Internet access, launch
LC, and then turn Internet access on again.

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> HI All
>
> Just tried to start work (using 6.7.11) and I got an activation box come up
> saying the sessiion has lapsed.
>
> Tried it also on my MAC just in case ... no go.
>
> So I went to my LC9 DP 11 and again "The session has lapsed - try again".
> and it wouldn't automatically activate.
>
> So I go to the livecode.com site and it's blank.
>
> The pagesource shows some meddling.
>
>
> <!DOCTYPE html>
> <!--[if IE 8 ]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#" class="ie8">
> <![endif]-->
> <!--[if IE 9 ]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#" class="ie9">
> <![endif]-->
> <!--[if gt IE 9]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#"> <![endif]-->
> <!--[if !IE]> <!--> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#"> <!--<![endif]-->
> <head>
> <meta charset="UTF-8" />
> <title>LiveCode</title>
> <meta content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0" name="viewport">
> <link rel="pingback" href="https://livecode.com/xmlrpc.php" />
>
> <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125.png" />
> <link
> rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125-2.png"
> sizes
> ="114x114" /> <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125-3.png"
> sizes
> ="72x72" /> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="
> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/favicon-32x32-1.png">
>
> Now I don't know about you but if I have somerthing that needs activating
> and there are no builtin failsafes i am not a happy bunny. - expletives
> deleted.
>
> There should be at least 1 or 2 other activation domains on a different
> infrastructure - this is only the second time in a couple of years but
> short of a nuclear war then it is 2 too many.
>
> There should at least be a domain where we can all download a manual
> activation that last at least as long as our subscription - or is that too
> much to ask.
>
> Now I know I can install community version - assuming there are no
> commercial dependencies but I really do have better things to do as do we
> all.
>
> Anyone noticed this or is this just in my area of the world?
>
> Kindest Regards Lagi
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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LiveCode Software Developer

Everyone Can Create Apps <https://livecode.com>


From heather.williams11 at btinternet.com  Wed Jan 17 04:58:50 2018
From: heather.williams11 at btinternet.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:58:50 +0000
Subject: Activation problem
In-Reply-To: <CAG1h1VDC6fA-A9NozHdSyQGCd33G-sig6a4G-a2WXZy4NG+WGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VDC6fA-A9NozHdSyQGCd33G-sig6a4G-a2WXZy4NG+WGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64AE3339-77B4-4167-8F83-DA0DEBDC2BC1@btinternet.com>

We are currently having some server issues affecting login. We are working to 
fix this asap. In the meantime, to launch LiveCode disconnect from the 
internet, then launch. LiveCode will switch to offline working and it will no 
longer be affected by the issue. You can reconnect to the internet once you 
have it running.

We will let everyone know when the issue is resolved.

Regards,

Heather


> On 17 Jan 2018, at 09:53, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> HI All
> 
> Just tried to start work (using 6.7.11) and I got an activation box come up
> saying the sessiion has lapsed.
> 
> Tried it also on my MAC just in case ... no go.
> 
> So I went to my LC9 DP 11 and again "The session has lapsed - try again".
> and it wouldn't automatically activate.
> 
> So I go to the livecode.com site and it's blank.
> 
> The pagesource shows some meddling.
> 
> 
> <!DOCTYPE html>
> <!--[if IE 8 ]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#" class="ie8">
> <![endif]-->
> <!--[if IE 9 ]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#" class="ie9">
> <![endif]-->
> <!--[if gt IE 9]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#"> <![endif]-->
> <!--[if !IE]> <!--> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#"> <!--<![endif]-->
> <head>
> <meta charset="UTF-8" />
> <title>LiveCode</title>
> <meta content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0" name="viewport">
> <link rel="pingback" href="https://livecode.com/xmlrpc.php" />
> 
> <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125.png" /> <link
> rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125-2.png" sizes
> ="114x114" /> <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125-3.png" sizes
> ="72x72" /> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="
> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/favicon-32x32-1.png">
> 
> Now I don't know about you but if I have somerthing that needs activating
> and there are no builtin failsafes i am not a happy bunny. - expletives
> deleted.
> 
> There should be at least 1 or 2 other activation domains on a different
> infrastructure - this is only the second time in a couple of years but
> short of a nuclear war then it is 2 too many.
> 
> There should at least be a domain where we can all download a manual
> activation that last at least as long as our subscription - or is that too
> much to ask.
> 
> Now I know I can install community version - assuming there are no
> commercial dependencies but I really do have better things to do as do we
> all.
> 
> Anyone noticed this or is this just in my area of the world?
> 
> Kindest Regards Lagi
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 05:05:29 2018
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:05:29 +0000
Subject: Activation problem
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq9fnH8P4EyCv404O4c7Dhjb7jwG=5ZuQV5gGP6wQr-ODQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VDC6fA-A9NozHdSyQGCd33G-sig6a4G-a2WXZy4NG+WGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+JfEq9fnH8P4EyCv404O4c7Dhjb7jwG=5ZuQV5gGP6wQr-ODQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VCc6UoMn6jgJTZi1oDkcvZfSZ-WeiSE0j7XuvqWx4aaKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ok that worked thanks. Still I think you should have a copy of the server
on a digital ocean drop that's ready to be activated with a switch of ip
addresses - just a thought

Lagi

On 17 January 2018 at 09:58, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Lagi,
>
> We are working on that. As a workaround, turn off Internet access, launch
> LC, and then turn Internet access on again.
>
> Best,
> Panos
> --
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > HI All
> >
> > Just tried to start work (using 6.7.11) and I got an activation box come
> up
> > saying the sessiion has lapsed.
> >
> > Tried it also on my MAC just in case ... no go.
> >
> > So I went to my LC9 DP 11 and again "The session has lapsed - try again".
> > and it wouldn't automatically activate.
> >
> > So I go to the livecode.com site and it's blank.
> >
> > The pagesource shows some meddling.
> >
> >
> > <!DOCTYPE html>
> > <!--[if IE 8 ]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#" class="ie8">
> > <![endif]-->
> > <!--[if IE 9 ]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#" class="ie9">
> > <![endif]-->
> > <!--[if gt IE 9]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#"> <![endif]-->
> > <!--[if !IE]> <!--> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#">
> <!--<![endif]-->
> > <head>
> > <meta charset="UTF-8" />
> > <title>LiveCode</title>
> > <meta content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0" name="viewport">
> > <link rel="pingback" href="https://livecode.com/xmlrpc.php" />
> >
> > <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
> > https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125.png" />
> > <link
> > rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
> > https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125-2.png"
> > sizes
> > ="114x114" /> <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
> > https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125-3.png"
> > sizes
> > ="72x72" /> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="
> > https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/favicon-32x32-1.png">
> >
> > Now I don't know about you but if I have somerthing that needs activating
> > and there are no builtin failsafes i am not a happy bunny. - expletives
> > deleted.
> >
> > There should be at least 1 or 2 other activation domains on a different
> > infrastructure - this is only the second time in a couple of years but
> > short of a nuclear war then it is 2 too many.
> >
> > There should at least be a domain where we can all download a manual
> > activation that last at least as long as our subscription - or is that
> too
> > much to ask.
> >
> > Now I know I can install community version - assuming there are no
> > commercial dependencies but I really do have better things to do as do we
> > all.
> >
> > Anyone noticed this or is this just in my area of the world?
> >
> > Kindest Regards Lagi
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Panagiotis Merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
> LiveCode Software Developer
>
> Everyone Can Create Apps <https://livecode.com>
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From heather at livecode.com  Wed Jan 17 06:58:21 2018
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 11:58:21 +0000
Subject: Activation problem
In-Reply-To: <64AE3339-77B4-4167-8F83-DA0DEBDC2BC1@btinternet.com>
References: <CAG1h1VDC6fA-A9NozHdSyQGCd33G-sig6a4G-a2WXZy4NG+WGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<64AE3339-77B4-4167-8F83-DA0DEBDC2BC1@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <70C4960E-051A-454C-8C88-B88CE1F681E7@livecode.com>

I'm pleased to say the activation issue is now fixed, you should be able to correctly activate LiveCode again both on and offline.

Best Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 17 Jan 2018, at 09:58, Heather Laine via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> We are currently having some server issues affecting login. We are working to 
> fix this asap. In the meantime, to launch LiveCode disconnect from the 
> internet, then launch. LiveCode will switch to offline working and it will no 
> longer be affected by the issue. You can reconnect to the internet once you 
> have it running.
> 
> We will let everyone know when the issue is resolved.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> 
>> On 17 Jan 2018, at 09:53, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> HI All
>> 
>> Just tried to start work (using 6.7.11) and I got an activation box come up
>> saying the sessiion has lapsed.
>> 
>> Tried it also on my MAC just in case ... no go.
>> 
>> So I went to my LC9 DP 11 and again "The session has lapsed - try again".
>> and it wouldn't automatically activate.
>> 
>> So I go to the livecode.com site and it's blank.
>> 
>> The pagesource shows some meddling.
>> 
>> 
>> <!DOCTYPE html>
>> <!--[if IE 8 ]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#" class="ie8">
>> <![endif]-->
>> <!--[if IE 9 ]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#" class="ie9">
>> <![endif]-->
>> <!--[if gt IE 9]> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#"> <![endif]-->
>> <!--[if !IE]> <!--> <html prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#"> <!--<![endif]-->
>> <head>
>> <meta charset="UTF-8" />
>> <title>LiveCode</title>
>> <meta content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0" name="viewport">
>> <link rel="pingback" href="https://livecode.com/xmlrpc.php" />
>> 
>> <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
>> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125.png" /> <link
>> rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
>> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125-2.png" sizes
>> ="114x114" /> <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="
>> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/lc-icon-pro-125-3.png" sizes
>> ="72x72" /> <link rel="shortcut icon" href="
>> https://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/favicon-32x32-1.png">
>> 
>> Now I don't know about you but if I have somerthing that needs activating
>> and there are no builtin failsafes i am not a happy bunny. - expletives
>> deleted.
>> 
>> There should be at least 1 or 2 other activation domains on a different
>> infrastructure - this is only the second time in a couple of years but
>> short of a nuclear war then it is 2 too many.
>> 
>> There should at least be a domain where we can all download a manual
>> activation that last at least as long as our subscription - or is that too
>> much to ask.
>> 
>> Now I know I can install community version - assuming there are no
>> commercial dependencies but I really do have better things to do as do we
>> all.
>> 
>> Anyone noticed this or is this just in my area of the world?
>> 
>> Kindest Regards Lagi
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Wed Jan 17 06:58:45 2018
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 04:58:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Roadmap: "Automated REST API wrapping"?
In-Reply-To: <90ffd6be-87f3-ab4c-dcf6-d3dd285e41ae@fourthworld.com>
References: <90ffd6be-87f3-ab4c-dcf6-d3dd285e41ae@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1516190325541-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

I believe from my take on the discussion at the LCG, that the api wrapping
will be for specific common and widely used api's., so automatic wrapping my
be  little misleading .



-----
Andy Piddock 


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

TinyIDE  a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode 


Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk  

PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder.
http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
--
Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html



From mark at livecode.com  Wed Jan 17 07:10:57 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:10:57 +0100
Subject: Roadmap: "Automated REST API =?UTF-8?Q?wrapping=22=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <fd9d77ad-9b65-e6db-b935-770a33273afe@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycPXU+kdWwPtB8qib48zNn-rCcHj_n3FqzQExBMb585qwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<fd9d77ad-9b65-e6db-b935-770a33273afe@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <bf8785d32db3c850f2ede9627ebdb2ee@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-17 04:29, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Mike Kerner wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> 
>>> The LC Roadmap at <https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/> includes
>>> under "Planned":
>>> 
>>>   Automated REST API wrapping
>>> 
>>> Sounds enticing.  What is it?
>>> And is there even a loose, no-I-won't-hold-you-to-it-but-just-curious
>>> target version?
>> 
>> This was discussed at LCG but I'll get the month wrong - August?
> 
> I could go hunt it down, but since we're here and for the benefit of
> those who may not have access to those for-fee-only sessions, could
> someone working on that offer at least a brief summary here?

This is referring to LiveCode Connect - which I did a prototype for in 
an LCG2017 session...

Its currently pegged for 'completion' in Q2 this year for LC9.1, and 
assuming things align, we will likely have at least one more talk on it 
in LCG2018, if not two (although the latter two things, in particular, 
are subject to change).

LC Connect uses Swagger/OpenAPI specs to generate script libraries which 
wrap the APIs.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 09:17:58 2018
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:17:58 +0000
Subject: Roadmap: "Automated REST API wrapping"?
In-Reply-To: <bf8785d32db3c850f2ede9627ebdb2ee@livecode.com>
References: <CADCoycPXU+kdWwPtB8qib48zNn-rCcHj_n3FqzQExBMb585qwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<fd9d77ad-9b65-e6db-b935-770a33273afe@fourthworld.com>
	<bf8785d32db3c850f2ede9627ebdb2ee@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioOMve3i1t+fMEE=9HjzLNqnHTct12=hTXHXk+-anEyOHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ah - i've been working on that - so would be good to find out more. Will be
doing a hackathon at the end of the month to make it more robust. If there
is something planned that we can use instead of build from scratch that
would be good. Ours is a docker based open source implementation.

On 17 January 2018 at 12:10, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2018-01-17 04:29, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Mike Kerner wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>
>>> The LC Roadmap at <https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/> includes
>>>> under "Planned":
>>>>
>>>>   Automated REST API wrapping
>>>>
>>>> Sounds enticing.  What is it?
>>>> And is there even a loose, no-I-won't-hold-you-to-it-but-just-curious
>>>> target version?
>>>>
>>>
>>> This was discussed at LCG but I'll get the month wrong - August?
>>>
>>
>> I could go hunt it down, but since we're here and for the benefit of
>> those who may not have access to those for-fee-only sessions, could
>> someone working on that offer at least a brief summary here?
>>
>
> This is referring to LiveCode Connect - which I did a prototype for in an
> LCG2017 session...
>
> Its currently pegged for 'completion' in Q2 this year for LC9.1, and
> assuming things align, we will likely have at least one more talk on it in
> LCG2018, if not two (although the latter two things, in particular, are
> subject to change).
>
> LC Connect uses Swagger/OpenAPI specs to generate script libraries which
> wrap the APIs.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> --
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 17 10:59:38 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 15:59:38 +0000
Subject: Identifying empty lines of text
In-Reply-To: <2F3D2A6A-5796-4C60-8578-5E21DD21F465@comcast.net>
References: <2F3D2A6A-5796-4C60-8578-5E21DD21F465@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7E7E2BD0-35CF-4C70-BA13-D908E1290779@iotecdigital.com>

I have a simple function which will return a string with all non-allowed characters stripped from it. 

function cleanASCII pString, pModeList, pCustomList
   /*
   pModeList is a comma delimited list that may contain the following values:
   "lowercase,uppercase,numbers,tabs,newlines,returns,spaces,symbols,custom"
   If custom is used, then a third paramaeter containing allowed characters must be supplied. 
   */
   if pModeList is empty then
      put " 0-9a-zA-Z" into tAllowedChars
   end if
   
   repeat for each item pMode in pModeList
      put word 1 of pMode into pMode
      
      switch
            break
         case "tabs" is in pMode
            put "\t" after tAllowedChars
            break
         case "newlines" is in pMode
            put "\n" before tAllowedChars
            break
         case "returns" is in pMode
            put "\r" before tAllowedChars -- currently not working
            break
         case "spaces" is in pMode
            put " " after tAllowedChars
            break
         case "numbers" is in pMode
            put "0-9" after tAllowedChars
            break
         case "lowercase" is in pMode
            put "a-z" after tAllowedChars
            break
         case "uppercase" is in pMode
            put "A-Z" after tAllowedChars
            break
         case "symbols" is in pMode
            put "!#$%&'()*+,./:;<=>?@[\\_`{|}~^-" after tAllowedChars
            break
         case pMode is "custom"
            put pCustomList after tAllowedChars
            break
      end switch
   end repeat
   
   put "[" & tAllowedChars & "]" into tMatchText
   
   repeat for each character  theChar in pString
      if matchtext(theChar, tMatchText) is true then
         put theChar after cleanString
      end if
   end repeat
   
   return cleanString
end cleanASCII

Bob S


> On Jan 12, 2018, at 16:48 , David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I use ?the number of words in myString = 0? to test whether a line of text appears empty, since I want a line with only space characters to be understood as empty.
> But a line of text I pasted from elsewhere contained an invisible character whose charToNum value is 202, and this was counted as a word by my script.
> Is there a better way to test for a line of text that has no visible characters?
> Many thanks.
> 
> David Epstein


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 17 11:08:06 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:08:06 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <42ED899D-7D8E-4CC9-B1CC-774D3FF6749C@midwestcoastmedia.com>
References: <42ED899D-7D8E-4CC9-B1CC-774D3FF6749C@midwestcoastmedia.com>
Message-ID: <D4A838AB-391B-4839-9EB9-41FD665ACAD7@iotecdigital.com>

I believe this is a known issue. A workaround is to set the rect of your stack to the screenRect on preOpenStack in the card script of the first card. 

Bob S


> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:38 , MWCM via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have an issue that isn?t exactly the same but may be related. Seldom do I work on two monitors, but my display configuration is constantly changing.  My primary development machine is a 15? Retina MacBook Pro. The main project I work on is a large stack (iPhone 7 native resolution) stack that I work with at a scaleFactor of 0.5 so it fits on my internal Retina display and doesn?t take too much screen real estate on the external. 
> 
> When on-the-go, I use the Retina display in the ?almost largest display? setting (not the far right biggest resolution option and not the middle recommended option). 
> 
> When in the office I work docked (laptop closed) and connect the laptop to an external keyboard/mouse and external 4K display (via mini DisplayPort) and sometimes also a 1080i (via HDMI). When docked, I NEVER use the built-in display.
> 
> Every time I launch that stack, the top of the stack is off the top of my screen. Doesn?t matter what display setup I?m using, I always have to open the stack inspector and change the Y position of the stack so the whole thing appears on my screen. 
> 
> --Andrew Bell
> --Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 17 11:12:13 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:12:13 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
	<160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7498C3AE-7041-4A49-B12E-5CAF3401ABC9@iotecdigital.com>

That is my experience as well, although it takes some getting used to when moving the mouse from one monitor to the other, because the mouse and anything you are dragging doesn't appear where you expect it naturally should. It bugged me so much that I wrote handlers to record the stack positions each time a stack was closed, and then restored them next time they were opened. I also have a Center Window menu option on a custom development menu I made. 

Bob S


> On Jan 13, 2018, at 08:55 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are horizontally aligned.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From merakosp at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 11:18:13 2018
From: merakosp at gmail.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:18:13 +0000
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <7498C3AE-7041-4A49-B12E-5CAF3401ABC9@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A7EA7B1A-0008-4906-8711-6C6496D9FFB7@mac.com>
	<1515854090583-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3BABB7BA-9155-4621-B188-BD475ABB79F1@mac.com>
	<160f07274a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7498C3AE-7041-4A49-B12E-5CAF3401ABC9@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_y-4pUbBOBFtjXdEtsoavej=b-7zUaYeUEv1H1oYrTEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just to add that when you change the arrangement of the two monitors in the
System Prefs so as their tops are aligned, it might be worth to reset your
LC Prefs as well after that, as it might be the case that some stacks have
kept their *old* rect Prefs (i.e. *before* the monitors' arrangement
changed), so they might now appear offscreen.

Best,
Panos
--

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 4:12 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That is my experience as well, although it takes some getting used to when
> moving the mouse from one monitor to the other, because the mouse and
> anything you are dragging doesn't appear where you expect it naturally
> should. It bugged me so much that I wrote handlers to record the stack
> positions each time a stack was closed, and then restored them next time
> they were opened. I also have a Center Window menu option on a custom
> development menu I made.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 13, 2018, at 08:55 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > It isn't the physical position of the monitors, it's how you arrange
> them in the Mac control panel. This allows you to set the virtual position
> of the two displays relative to each other. If I remember right, problems
> are avoided if you drag the two monitor images so that the tops are
> horizontally aligned.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 17 11:34:06 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 17:34:06 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPDBYCx0a9eHd=WD7uvgQ8kV+hWTYWo-U3cko8cbBbHJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68BF31BB-2610-4D7D-BA0A-783F2BC7C1AF@major-k.de>
	<CADCoycPDBYCx0a9eHd=WD7uvgQ8kV+hWTYWo-U3cko8cbBbHJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B024E08-8B15-455E-A2EE-CE48636C9796@major-k.de>

Hi Mike,

> Am 16.01.2018 um 15:28 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Klaus,
> The good news is that this is all fairly straightforward.
> appKey, appSecret, tokenKey, and tokenSecret are all obsolete and should
> not do anything.  You need the ?Generated Access Token?.
> 1) Go to www.dropbox.com/developers/apps
> 2) Tap on your app
> 3) Scroll down to the ?Generated access token? button.  Hit the button,
> copy the code
> 4) This is your oauth2 token that you will use in your code
> 4.5) I have ?allow implicit grant? set to ?Allow? for several of my apps,
> because it makes the process less complicated, but YMMV.  I do not fiddle
> with the URL?s, redirects, webhooks, etc.
> 5) If you?re using 9, use LC?s dropbox library that is built into LC. If
> you?re using 8, you can copy it from 9 or you can grab it from my github
> repo (I?m a couple commits ahead of LC?s version due to a couple bug
> fixes).  www.github.com/macmikey/lcdropboxlibrary
> 6) Grab Gerard?s dropbox 2 stack either from his repo or from mine so you
> can do some testing with something we know works.  His api is slightly
> different b/c Monte modified it when he added it to LC, but the syntax is
> close enough and the mapping is 1:1.  Gerard has a couple of new features
> he just added that have not been integrated into LC?s library, yet.

thanks a lot!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 17 11:34:35 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:34:35 +0000
Subject: OT: Idiot UX
In-Reply-To: <D5AADC9F-DDF9-4D3D-9614-8D5E5BBC56EF@me.com>
References: <c1b889a6-f5d4-5a03-2e65-8c8303bb7818@sonic.net>
	<D5AADC9F-DDF9-4D3D-9614-8D5E5BBC56EF@me.com>
Message-ID: <652ACA9A-8446-46A9-A2DD-338187E14547@iotecdigital.com>

We should write a Livecode stack for that! 


on mouseUp
   put "This will drive all Hawaiians into a state of cold stark panic. Some may commit suicide. " & \
   Others will merely be mentally scarred for life. Are you sure you want to do this??" into mmsg

   answer warning mmsg with "Oh Shit No!" or "We're All Gonna Die!!!!!"
   if it is "We're All Gonna Die!!!!!" then exit to top -- it won't matter anyway
end mouseUp


From paul at researchware.com  Wed Jan 17 11:36:39 2018
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 11:36:39 -0500
Subject: Adding an icon to an EXE file via Livecode script
Message-ID: <6a31006c-f827-571a-eb66-10514f38879b@researchware.com>

Has anyone done this or does anyone know how to copy and icon from and
.ico file to a .exe file and set its resource ID using LiveCode Script?

I have an on standalonesaved handler that automates much of my post
standalone build process, but my app has a number of different document
types each with their own icons. For OSX this is as easy as copying the
additional icons to the .app folder/bundle and updating the plist file's
XML to reference them

For Windows, this becomes a manual process of using a tool (I use one
called Resource Editor) to add the icon files to the standalone EXE.

I'd like to put this into my post build script if there is some way to
do it. Any advice out there?




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 17 12:33:07 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:33:07 -0800
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <CA+JfEq_y-4pUbBOBFtjXdEtsoavej=b-7zUaYeUEv1H1oYrTEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_y-4pUbBOBFtjXdEtsoavej=b-7zUaYeUEv1H1oYrTEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e187e78f-0a65-9f0b-5b19-1d2bb953d5e2@fourthworld.com>

panagiotis merakos wrote:

 > Just to add that when you change the arrangement of the two monitors
 > in the System Prefs so as their tops are aligned, it might be worth to
 > reset your LC Prefs as well after that, as it might be the case that
 > some stacks have kept their *old* rect Prefs (i.e. *before* the
 > monitors' arrangement changed), so they might now appear offscreen.

Is this known issue being addressed in the IDE?  If not currently, 
should someone here who's experienced this submit a bug report?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 17 12:37:34 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:37:34 -0800
Subject: deploying to multiple mobile devices
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxkacDBz2RyhzxVAwvuBPuFbv01-DDs1fRJErbu9Co9zYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxkacDBz2RyhzxVAwvuBPuFbv01-DDs1fRJErbu9Co9zYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e6d91d39-b224-a84c-6d2d-7d970cf4c724@fourthworld.com>

Nicolas Cueto wrote:

 > On 17 January 2018 at 12:38, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> Nicolas Cueto wrote:
 >> > Some of my stacks are for a classroom situation, so would like to
 >> > deploy to the various smartphones of  class sizes of 3 to 20
 >> > students (1) preferably cable-free (Wifi?), (2) easily for the
 >> > end-user, and (3) as simultaneously as possible.
 >>
 >> Is this a classroom you work with directly, or a product for others
 >> to use in their own classrooms?
 >
 > Directly.

I'm thinking don't even bother making standalones for every stack.  It 
just complicates installation and replicates the storage overhead of 
attaching the same engine to each one.

Instead, you could make one app that can download and run stack files 
from a server.  Easy enough, and with just one extra step you can use 
LC's built-in compression for even faster transfer.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 17 13:12:16 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:12:16 -0800
Subject: Roadmap: "Automated REST API wrapping"?
In-Reply-To: <bf8785d32db3c850f2ede9627ebdb2ee@livecode.com>
References: <bf8785d32db3c850f2ede9627ebdb2ee@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <faf10e6a-a275-c458-9725-e7c433ccffd1@fourthworld.com>

Mark Waddingham wrote:

 > On 2018-01-17 04:29, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
 >>> The LC Roadmap at <https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/> includes
 >>> under "Planned":
 >>>
 >>>   Automated REST API wrapping
 >>>
 >>> Sounds enticing.  What is it?
 >
 > This is referring to LiveCode Connect - which I did a prototype for in
 > an LCG2017 session...
 >
 > Its currently pegged for 'completion' in Q2 this year for LC9.1, and
 > assuming things align, we will likely have at least one more talk on
 > it in LCG2018, if not two (although the latter two things, in
 > particular, are subject to change).
 >
 > LC Connect uses Swagger/OpenAPI specs to generate script libraries
 > which wrap the APIs.

Sounds very cool.  What is the "automatic" part?  How does it map 
actions and endpoints to my schema?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Jan 17 13:11:51 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:11:51 +0100
Subject: Anyone else got two-monitor issues with LC9 on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <e187e78f-0a65-9f0b-5b19-1d2bb953d5e2@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+JfEq_y-4pUbBOBFtjXdEtsoavej=b-7zUaYeUEv1H1oYrTEQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<e187e78f-0a65-9f0b-5b19-1d2bb953d5e2@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <39558ADB-CEDF-41B0-AC42-8FC31E9A65F4@mac.com>

There are several reports, which Panos has now combined into one (18363). The idea of changing the arrangement of the two monitors in the System Prefs so that the tops are aligned is a pretty sad workaround, because of course the System Prefs settings are supposed to reflect the monitor positions in the real world, and there are many arrangements where the tops wouldn?t be aligned (typically a laptop on a desk with an external monitor on a stand, so naturally higher). If the settings don?t mimic the real world, it?s really hard to move the mouse around from screen to screen in a realistic way. So I really hope it gets fixed soon.

Graham

> On 17 Jan 2018, at 18:33, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> panagiotis merakos wrote:
> 
> > Just to add that when you change the arrangement of the two monitors
> > in the System Prefs so as their tops are aligned, it might be worth to
> > reset your LC Prefs as well after that, as it might be the case that
> > some stacks have kept their *old* rect Prefs (i.e. *before* the
> > monitors' arrangement changed), so they might now appear offscreen.
> 
> Is this known issue being addressed in the IDE?  If not currently, should someone here who's experienced this submit a bug report?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
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From stephen at barncard.com  Wed Jan 17 13:00:56 2018
From: stephen at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:00:56 -0800
Subject: deploying to multiple mobile devices
In-Reply-To: <e6d91d39-b224-a84c-6d2d-7d970cf4c724@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGeTkxkacDBz2RyhzxVAwvuBPuFbv01-DDs1fRJErbu9Co9zYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<e6d91d39-b224-a84c-6d2d-7d970cf4c724@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+uNCJFRMkrvSZUL9dAtZufuJ5rAJtefJtoga93jZptfg@mail.gmail.com>

I built one of those years ago, based on Ken Ray's stackrunner.rev.
Even datagrids can be accommodated.

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA -
mixstream.org

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Nicolas Cueto wrote:
>
> > On 17 January 2018 at 12:38, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >> Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> >> > Some of my stacks are for a classroom situation, so would like to
> >> > deploy to the various smartphones of  class sizes of 3 to 20
> >> > students (1) preferably cable-free (Wifi?), (2) easily for the
> >> > end-user, and (3) as simultaneously as possible.
> >>
> >> Is this a classroom you work with directly, or a product for others
> >> to use in their own classrooms?
> >
> > Directly.
>
> I'm thinking don't even bother making standalones for every stack.  It
> just complicates installation and replicates the storage overhead of
> attaching the same engine to each one.
>
> Instead, you could make one app that can download and run stack files from
> a server.  Easy enough, and with just one extra step you can use LC's
> built-in compression for even faster transfer.
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 17 14:59:09 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:59:09 -0600
Subject: Identifying empty lines of text
In-Reply-To: <7E7E2BD0-35CF-4C70-BA13-D908E1290779@iotecdigital.com>
References: <2F3D2A6A-5796-4C60-8578-5E21DD21F465@comcast.net>
	<7E7E2BD0-35CF-4C70-BA13-D908E1290779@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5dd1c3a2-e958-4020-7075-a57af1d1f112@hyperactivesw.com>

> On Jan 12, 2018, at 16:48 , David Epstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I use ?the number of words in myString = 0? to test whether a line of text appears empty, since I want a line with only space characters to be understood as empty.
> But a line of text I pasted from elsewhere contained an invisible character whose charToNum value is 202, and this was counted as a word by my script.
> Is there a better way to test for a line of text that has no visible characters?

Here's where the "trueword" keyword comes in handy:

    put the number of truewords in line x of fld y

It will ignore invisible and whitespace characters.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Wed Jan 17 17:25:52 2018
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 23:25:52 +0100
Subject: How do I delete cloned images with the same name all at once?
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn5zii4q+2a3MsF+hd1HOvmxKya_ChXuNHF67=2OkFJE6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

I have several cloned images and all have the same name: ticket.
Of course there ID is different.
On close card I want to delete them.
How do I delete them all at once?
Wat is wrong with this code?

on mouseup
repeat with x= 1 to the number of images of this card
if the name of image x is "ticket" then put the ID of image x into GONE
end repeat
send ("delete GONE") to me in 0 ticks
end mouseup




greetings,

William


From tore.nilsen at me.com  Wed Jan 17 17:42:28 2018
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 23:42:28 +0100
Subject: How do I delete cloned images with the same name all at once?
In-Reply-To: <CAHFYGn5zii4q+2a3MsF+hd1HOvmxKya_ChXuNHF67=2OkFJE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHFYGn5zii4q+2a3MsF+hd1HOvmxKya_ChXuNHF67=2OkFJE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A80D7D0F-CCE9-4D6D-AF53-3C0DC411C55D@me.com>

The property ?name? refers to more than ?ticket?, it also includes the description of the control, in your case the name will be ?image ticket?.
You also will need to count down from the number of images in order to delete all of them, otherwise you will run into a situation where x is higher than the number of images still on your card
Use short name instead of name, this will script  will work:

on mouseUp
put the number of images of this card into tImages
repeat with x = tImages down to 1
  if the short name of image x = ?ticket? then  
     delete image x 
  end if
end repeat
end mouseUp

> 17. jan. 2018 kl. 23:25 skrev William de Smet via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I have several cloned images and all have the same name: ticket.
> Of course there ID is different.
> On close card I want to delete them.
> How do I delete them all at once?
> Wat is wrong with this code?
> 
> on mouseup
> repeat with x= 1 to the number of images of this card
> if the name of image x is "ticket" then put the ID of image x into GONE
> end repeat
> send ("delete GONE") to me in 0 ticks
> end mouseup
> 
> 
> 
> 
> greetings,
> 
> William
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jan 17 18:13:58 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 15:13:58 -0800
Subject: How do I delete cloned images with the same name all at once?
In-Reply-To: <A80D7D0F-CCE9-4D6D-AF53-3C0DC411C55D@me.com>
References: <CAHFYGn5zii4q+2a3MsF+hd1HOvmxKya_ChXuNHF67=2OkFJE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<A80D7D0F-CCE9-4D6D-AF53-3C0DC411C55D@me.com>
Message-ID: <6f9d70e3-ea7e-81c2-a31d-49e11c4e62bb@sonic.net>

On 01/17/2018 02:42 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:

> Use short name instead of name, this will script  will work:

Additionally, the way I deal with this is to create a group, then create 
the control *in the group*. That way all I have to do is delete the 
group and all the child controls are gone.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jan 17 21:30:56 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 18:30:56 -0800
Subject: gradient selectors
Message-ID: <e8a4a1dc-bc60-5822-b219-b95cbbc31765@sonic.net>

Before I log a bug report on this, can anyone confirm that the gradient 
selectors are working in LC9? Launching either of the selectors from the 
PI I get a long hang time and no visual feedback. I did manage to get 
something out of the fill gradient selector once, but the stroke 
gradient selector does nothing. Even its controls are nonresponsive.

The hang time is particularly annoying since it hangs my whole desktop. 
Not sure if this is just me or just linux or if it's systemic.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From paul at livecode.org  Wed Jan 17 22:43:20 2018
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:43:20 -0800
Subject: gradient selectors
In-Reply-To: <e8a4a1dc-bc60-5822-b219-b95cbbc31765@sonic.net>
References: <e8a4a1dc-bc60-5822-b219-b95cbbc31765@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <39FFD546-B826-4CEF-B874-A9E00B49ECD4@livecode.org>

Both fill and stroke gradients work fine on Mac High Sierra, no delays that I can see and definitely no hang, so it may be a Linux related bug.

Anybody tested Windows?

Paul


> On Jan 17, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Before I log a bug report on this, can anyone confirm that the gradient selectors are working in LC9? Launching either of the selectors from the PI I get a long hang time and no visual feedback. I did manage to get something out of the fill gradient selector once, but the stroke gradient selector does nothing. Even its controls are nonresponsive.
> 
> The hang time is particularly annoying since it hangs my whole desktop. Not sure if this is just me or just linux or if it's systemic.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan 17 22:45:33 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 21:45:33 -0600
Subject: Announcement: SVG Icon Tool
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5ki_grY6ZNexLQeeH-7==8ZMv7RK-5051MyP1XaEGU-+4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRZpfsT9Hz+20UZ9Xd+xNzB65Skj+PpCBHsnNwOEHy6b6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5aaff14-69a5-3199-9fdd-dceb9fd0233b@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CA+uh5ki_grY6ZNexLQeeH-7==8ZMv7RK-5051MyP1XaEGU-+4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRa=5Lq3Cj3XphCZPu-sA-V8oSAiBsB8a4SXc3Q2=BkHUQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've updated the version with a couple of minor fixes:
https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.180114-1700.zip

Thanks,
Brian

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:06 PM, Kay C Lan via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Very nice! Thank you so much:-)
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 7:33 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > Anyone who hasn't looked at this stack really should. It's what we've
> needed
> > ever since SVG was introduced to LC.
> >
> >
> > On 1/13/18 11:25 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:
> >>
> >> I've posted an updated version of my SVG Icon Tool to my server with a
> >> large number of icons included (everything from
> >> https://leungwensen.github.io/svg-icon except the flags which needed
> >> color).  I've also included the feather icons that were mentioned.
> >>
> >> Direct link to the download:
> >> https://milby.us/lc/SvgIconTool.180113-2301.zip
> >>
> >> Latest forum post on the tool:
> >> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=30411&p=162655#p162655
> >>
> >> Once the SVG Icon Library is updated to allow loading other icon
> families,
> >> this tool can be used to help manage icon sets for applications.  There
> >> should be no reason the LCB file in my PR couldn't be compiled in LC8,
> but
> >> I've been working on it in LC9DP11 & develop.
> >> It exports encoded LC arrays that are in the format needed for the
> >> library.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brian
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> >
> >
> > --
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> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
> >
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 05:51:53 2018
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:51:53 +0100
Subject: How do I delete cloned images with the same name all at once?
In-Reply-To: <6f9d70e3-ea7e-81c2-a31d-49e11c4e62bb@sonic.net>
References: <CAHFYGn5zii4q+2a3MsF+hd1HOvmxKya_ChXuNHF67=2OkFJE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<A80D7D0F-CCE9-4D6D-AF53-3C0DC411C55D@me.com>
	<6f9d70e3-ea7e-81c2-a31d-49e11c4e62bb@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn5P3jXmM56G5Lkgf-y09OTGZqoL_XH4+-dAuTZeYcW7SA@mail.gmail.com>

@Tore and @Mark

Thanks!
Works fine now.


greetings,

William



2018-01-18 0:13 GMT+01:00 Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:

> On 01/17/2018 02:42 PM, Tore Nilsen via use-livecode wrote:
>
> Use short name instead of name, this will script  will work:
>>
>
> Additionally, the way I deal with this is to create a group, then create
> the control *in the group*. That way all I have to do is delete the group
> and all the child controls are gone.
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
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From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 06:08:35 2018
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:08:35 +0000
Subject: How do I delete cloned images with the same name all at once?
In-Reply-To: <CAHFYGn5zii4q+2a3MsF+hd1HOvmxKya_ChXuNHF67=2OkFJE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHFYGn5zii4q+2a3MsF+hd1HOvmxKya_ChXuNHF67=2OkFJE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VA14yMOK+Dag0ayk8bv9nrxXKSbxWVY3OV6knz1RjM8GA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi William

First off - the send is outside the repeat but I assume that's an error in
transcribing to the email.

but this works

on mouseUp
   local gone, x
   repeat with x= 1 to the number of images of this card
      if the short name of image x is "ticket" then
         put the id of image x into gone
        delete image ID gone
      end if
   end repeat
end mouseUp

the  name gives "image ticket" so it will never succeed.

Lagi


On 17 January 2018 at 22:25, William de Smet via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I have several cloned images and all have the same name: ticket.
> Of course there ID is different.
> On close card I want to delete them.
> How do I delete them all at once?
> Wat is wrong with this code?
>
> on mouseup
> repeat with x= 1 to the number of images of this card
> if the name of image x is "ticket" then put the ID of image x into GONE
> end repeat
> send ("delete GONE") to me in 0 ticks
> end mouseup
>
>
>
>
> greetings,
>
> William
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From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 06:40:15 2018
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:40:15 +0000
Subject: accessing 2 databases in 1 sql query
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VAP=0X9U_E19Xd1PAYEw9GpwxzC6-z5yc2L=adQr2uBBw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Sorry if this counts as a double post but I thought I'd cast my net Wieder
after no bytes in the forums (both puns intended).

https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30481

Basically I want to copy (migrate) a table in 1 database to another with
exactly the same number of records and same primary key but the new table
has a few extra fields which will be empty.

I can do it with a cut and paste in sqlitestudio - but I've written a
migration script for all the other tables which are not only smaller  but
it's a straight insert using a cursor.

I've thought of at least 4 ways of doing this - all will probably be slower
than this more direct route, but I'm thinking in the future using
mysql/postgres where I might(will?) need inner or outer joins from external
databases to do syncing - and yes  know I can do those as well with some
sql magic but I like SQL 1 liners ever since it was introduced in Foxpro
(for DOS)  over 25 years ago.

I can do this in Foxpro, VB, PHP  and any myriad of other languages but for
the life off me I can't think how this can be done using the calling
methods used within LC, since we pass the database "handle" outside the
query string how can we qualify a column as to the database it comes from.

If the answer is it can't be done then I'll have to do it in a  slower less
succinct way.

Thanks Lagi


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jan 18 07:28:19 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:28:19 +0100
Subject: post to httpS?
Message-ID: <61B481CE-D2C1-4AB4-BFBD-F25493E18AF0@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

I did not POST something to an URL for a long time, so what is the current state, 
can we POST to HTTPS urls with LC 8/9?

Thanks for any hint!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Jan 18 08:06:37 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:06:37 +0100
Subject: post to httpS?
In-Reply-To: <61B481CE-D2C1-4AB4-BFBD-F25493E18AF0@major-k.de>
References: <61B481CE-D2C1-4AB4-BFBD-F25493E18AF0@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <314C5546-812A-43F2-878F-E0B395739E6C@m-r-d.de>

Klaus,

just tried it here with LC9 DP11 (tsNet) with success. 

Regards,
Matthias


Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?

> Am 18.01.2018 um 13:28 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> I did not POST something to an URL for a long time, so what is the current state, 
> can we POST to HTTPS urls with LC 8/9?
> 
> Thanks for any hint!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de <http://www.major-k.de/>
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jan 18 08:13:07 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:13:07 +0100
Subject: post to httpS?
In-Reply-To: <314C5546-812A-43F2-878F-E0B395739E6C@m-r-d.de>
References: <61B481CE-D2C1-4AB4-BFBD-F25493E18AF0@major-k.de>
	<314C5546-812A-43F2-878F-E0B395739E6C@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <FE158D73-1018-42DC-8139-0247D8000E2F@major-k.de>

Hi Matthias,

> Am 18.01.2018 um 14:06 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Klaus,
> 
> just tried it here with LC9 DP11 (tsNet) with success. 

ah, yes tsNet, thank you!

Anyone remembers what to set (to false) BEFORE we post something to an HTTPS in version 5.02?

> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> Tel +49 5741 310000
> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
> 
>> Am 18.01.2018 um 13:28 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> I did not POST something to an URL for a long time, so what is the current state, 
>> can we POST to HTTPS urls with LC 8/9?
>> 
>> Thanks for any hint!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From paul at smarttsoftware.co.uk  Thu Jan 18 08:18:31 2018
From: paul at smarttsoftware.co.uk (Paul Richards)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 13:18:31 +0000
Subject: post to httpS?
In-Reply-To: <FE158D73-1018-42DC-8139-0247D8000E2F@major-k.de>
References: <61B481CE-D2C1-4AB4-BFBD-F25493E18AF0@major-k.de>
	<314C5546-812A-43F2-878F-E0B395739E6C@m-r-d.de>
	<FE158D73-1018-42DC-8139-0247D8000E2F@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <DB4PR07MB2514E0079531E76C30B7313E2E80@DB4PR07MB251.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I think you might be looking for:   libURLSetSSLVerification false

regards, 
Paul 

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Klaus major-k via use-livecode
Sent: 18 January 2018 13:13
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Cc: Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de>
Subject: Re: post to httpS?

Hi Matthias,

> Am 18.01.2018 um 14:06 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Klaus,
> 
> just tried it here with LC9 DP11 (tsNet) with success. 

ah, yes tsNet, thank you!

Anyone remembers what to set (to false) BEFORE we post something to an HTTPS in version 5.02?

> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> Tel +49 5741 310000
> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
> 
>> Am 18.01.2018 um 13:28 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> I did not POST something to an URL for a long time, so what is the 
>> current state, can we POST to HTTPS urls with LC 8/9?
>> 
>> Thanks for any hint!

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de


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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jan 18 08:20:48 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:20:48 +0100
Subject: post to httpS?
In-Reply-To: <DB4PR07MB2514E0079531E76C30B7313E2E80@DB4PR07MB251.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <61B481CE-D2C1-4AB4-BFBD-F25493E18AF0@major-k.de>
	<314C5546-812A-43F2-878F-E0B395739E6C@m-r-d.de>
	<FE158D73-1018-42DC-8139-0247D8000E2F@major-k.de>
	<DB4PR07MB2514E0079531E76C30B7313E2E80@DB4PR07MB251.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7EF2A0EF-F5B5-4AEC-B1A0-C994FEC7C0A2@major-k.de>

Hi Paul,

> Am 18.01.2018 um 14:18 schrieb Paul Richards via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I think you might be looking for:   libURLSetSSLVerification false

YES, that was it, thank you! :-)

> regards, 
> Paul 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Klaus major-k via use-livecode
> Sent: 18 January 2018 13:13
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de>
> Subject: Re: post to httpS?
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
>> Am 18.01.2018 um 14:06 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Klaus,
>> 
>> just tried it here with LC9 DP11 (tsNet) with success. 
> 
> ah, yes tsNet, thank you!
> 
> Anyone remembers what to set (to false) BEFORE we post something to an HTTPS in version 5.02?
> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>>> Am 18.01.2018 um 13:28 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>>> 
>>> Hi friends,
>>> 
>>> I did not POST something to an URL for a long time, so what is the 
>>> current state, can we POST to HTTPS urls with LC 8/9?

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 09:14:45 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 07:14:45 -0700
Subject: accessing 2 databases in 1 sql query
In-Reply-To: <CAG1h1VAP=0X9U_E19Xd1PAYEw9GpwxzC6-z5yc2L=adQr2uBBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VAP=0X9U_E19Xd1PAYEw9GpwxzC6-z5yc2L=adQr2uBBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpx+sRy50Gre541cn70g5ZUndxAwjkJOc4HxLmqpxkvWg@mail.gmail.com>

Does this help?  http://www.sqlitetutorial.net/sqlite-attach-database/

Short version.. attach database lets you attach another db file to the
current connection.  So if you have db "contacts" open, and you attach a
file AS contacts2 (which is an alias defined during the attach) then you
can address a specific table from the first db with "contacts.tablename"
and the second with "contacts2.tablename"

At which point you can most likely do something like..

INSERT INTO CONTACTS2.TABLENAME(fieldname1, fieldname2) SELECT
fieldname1, fieldname2 FROM CONTACTS.TABLENAME;

Alternatively, you might just create a copy of the table from the first db,
to create a table in the second db and then alter the table to add the
missing columns.  Not sure which would be better/more efficient.


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 4:40 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Sorry if this counts as a double post but I thought I'd cast my net Wieder
> after no bytes in the forums (both puns intended).
>
> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30481
>
> Basically I want to copy (migrate) a table in 1 database to another with
> exactly the same number of records and same primary key but the new table
> has a few extra fields which will be empty.
>
> I can do it with a cut and paste in sqlitestudio - but I've written a
> migration script for all the other tables which are not only smaller  but
> it's a straight insert using a cursor.
>
> I've thought of at least 4 ways of doing this - all will probably be slower
> than this more direct route, but I'm thinking in the future using
> mysql/postgres where I might(will?) need inner or outer joins from external
> databases to do syncing - and yes  know I can do those as well with some
> sql magic but I like SQL 1 liners ever since it was introduced in Foxpro
> (for DOS)  over 25 years ago.
>
> I can do this in Foxpro, VB, PHP  and any myriad of other languages but for
> the life off me I can't think how this can be done using the calling
> methods used within LC, since we pass the database "handle" outside the
> query string how can we qualify a column as to the database it comes from.
>
> If the answer is it can't be done then I'll have to do it in a  slower less
> succinct way.
>
> Thanks Lagi
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From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Thu Jan 18 09:35:35 2018
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 14:35:35 +0000
Subject: accessing 2 databases in 1 sql query
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpx+sRy50Gre541cn70g5ZUndxAwjkJOc4HxLmqpxkvWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VAP=0X9U_E19Xd1PAYEw9GpwxzC6-z5yc2L=adQr2uBBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpx+sRy50Gre541cn70g5ZUndxAwjkJOc4HxLmqpxkvWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VAj9-j9HGo4T7Z2cgdsn3aRzfJcP71cF77TrKNYOW84Jg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thanks MIke

Your a saviour - I read about attach over a year or so  ago when I was
looking at how pragma works and other stuff like that but had no need till
now so totally forgot .

Thanks again

Lagi



On 18 January 2018 at 14:14, Mike Bonner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Does this help?  http://www.sqlitetutorial.net/sqlite-attach-database/
>
> Short version.. attach database lets you attach another db file to the
> current connection.  So if you have db "contacts" open, and you attach a
> file AS contacts2 (which is an alias defined during the attach) then you
> can address a specific table from the first db with "contacts.tablename"
> and the second with "contacts2.tablename"
>
> At which point you can most likely do something like..
>
> INSERT INTO CONTACTS2.TABLENAME(fieldname1, fieldname2) SELECT
> fieldname1, fieldname2 FROM CONTACTS.TABLENAME;
>
> Alternatively, you might just create a copy of the table from the first db,
> to create a table in the second db and then alter the table to add the
> missing columns.  Not sure which would be better/more efficient.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 4:40 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Sorry if this counts as a double post but I thought I'd cast my net
> Wieder
> > after no bytes in the forums (both puns intended).
> >
> > https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=30481
> >
> > Basically I want to copy (migrate) a table in 1 database to another with
> > exactly the same number of records and same primary key but the new table
> > has a few extra fields which will be empty.
> >
> > I can do it with a cut and paste in sqlitestudio - but I've written a
> > migration script for all the other tables which are not only smaller  but
> > it's a straight insert using a cursor.
> >
> > I've thought of at least 4 ways of doing this - all will probably be
> slower
> > than this more direct route, but I'm thinking in the future using
> > mysql/postgres where I might(will?) need inner or outer joins from
> external
> > databases to do syncing - and yes  know I can do those as well with some
> > sql magic but I like SQL 1 liners ever since it was introduced in Foxpro
> > (for DOS)  over 25 years ago.
> >
> > I can do this in Foxpro, VB, PHP  and any myriad of other languages but
> for
> > the life off me I can't think how this can be done using the calling
> > methods used within LC, since we pass the database "handle" outside the
> > query string how can we qualify a column as to the database it comes
> from.
> >
> > If the answer is it can't be done then I'll have to do it in a  slower
> less
> > succinct way.
> >
> > Thanks Lagi
> > _______________________________________________
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan 18 10:44:09 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:44:09 +0000
Subject: How do I delete cloned images with the same name all at once?
In-Reply-To: <A80D7D0F-CCE9-4D6D-AF53-3C0DC411C55D@me.com>
References: <CAHFYGn5zii4q+2a3MsF+hd1HOvmxKya_ChXuNHF67=2OkFJE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<A80D7D0F-CCE9-4D6D-AF53-3C0DC411C55D@me.com>
Message-ID: <A84D52E1-1EBB-48BC-A2C9-E35B042D67A4@iotecdigital.com>

Rather use the long id. Just the id means your statement resolves to "delete 456" or some such thing. 

The other thing you can do is rename the clones as soon as you create them so you can reference them later. 

Bob S

> On Jan 17, 2018, at 14:42 , Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The property ?name? refers to more than ?ticket?, it also includes the description of the control, in your case the name will be ?image ticket?.
> You also will need to count down from the number of images in order to delete all of them, otherwise you will run into a situation where x is higher than the number of images still on your card
> Use short name instead of name, this will script  will work:
> 
> on mouseUp
> put the number of images of this card into tImages
> repeat with x = tImages down to 1
>  if the short name of image x = ?ticket? then  
>     delete image x 
>  end if
> end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 
>> 17. jan. 2018 kl. 23:25 skrev William de Smet via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> I have several cloned images and all have the same name: ticket.
>> Of course there ID is different.
>> On close card I want to delete them.
>> How do I delete them all at once?
>> Wat is wrong with this code?
>> 
>> on mouseup
>> repeat with x= 1 to the number of images of this card
>> if the name of image x is "ticket" then put the ID of image x into GONE
>> end repeat
>> send ("delete GONE") to me in 0 ticks
>> end mouseup
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> greetings,
>> 
>> William
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> 
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Thu Jan 18 11:32:09 2018
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:32:09 +0100
Subject: How do I delete cloned images with the same name all at once?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1h1VA14yMOK+Dag0ayk8bv9nrxXKSbxWVY3OV6knz1RjM8GA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHFYGn5zii4q+2a3MsF+hd1HOvmxKya_ChXuNHF67=2OkFJE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VA14yMOK+Dag0ayk8bv9nrxXKSbxWVY3OV6knz1RjM8GA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69664257-0854-4D58-BAF4-23A119B47D30@me.com>

You do need to count down to 1, otherwise the counter x will become greater than the number of images you have on the card, halfway through the repeat loop. There is also no need to get the ID (neither the long or short ID) as you can simply refer to the image by its number (the counter x). The best solution is the suggestion from Mark Wieder, to place the cloned images in a group and just delte the whole group in one go. Then there is no need for looping or checking names or IDs.

If for any reason you cannot place the images in a group, you should take the advice from Bob Sneidar and rename each clone as you create them. The easiest way is to add a number to the name, storing the latest number in a variabel if the clones are not made within a repeat lopp with a counter. This script will then work:


local sImageNum

on cloneImage
clone image ?ticket?
add 1 to sImageNum
set name of last image to ?ticket? & sImageNum
end cloneImage


on deleteImage
put the number of images of this card into tImages
repeat with x = sImages down to 1
if last char of the short name of image x is an integer then ? you will then keep the image you use as basis for the clones
delete image x
end if
end repeat
repeat with x 


Best regards
Tore Nilsen





> 18. jan. 2018 kl. 12:08 skrev Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi William
> 
> First off - the send is outside the repeat but I assume that's an error in
> transcribing to the email.
> 
> but this works
> 
> on mouseUp
>   local gone, x
>   repeat with x= 1 to the number of images of this card
>      if the short name of image x is "ticket" then
>         put the id of image x into gone
>        delete image ID gone
>      end if
>   end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 
> the  name gives "image ticket" so it will never succeed.
> 
> Lagi
> 
> 
> On 17 January 2018 at 22:25, William de Smet via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> I have several cloned images and all have the same name: ticket.
>> Of course there ID is different.
>> On close card I want to delete them.
>> How do I delete them all at once?
>> Wat is wrong with this code?
>> 
>> on mouseup
>> repeat with x= 1 to the number of images of this card
>> if the name of image x is "ticket" then put the ID of image x into GONE
>> end repeat
>> send ("delete GONE") to me in 0 ticks
>> end mouseup
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> greetings,
>> 
>> William
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Thu Jan 18 11:35:42 2018
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:35:42 +0100
Subject: How do I delete cloned images with the same name all at once?
In-Reply-To: <69664257-0854-4D58-BAF4-23A119B47D30@me.com>
References: <CAHFYGn5zii4q+2a3MsF+hd1HOvmxKya_ChXuNHF67=2OkFJE6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VA14yMOK+Dag0ayk8bv9nrxXKSbxWVY3OV6knz1RjM8GA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69664257-0854-4D58-BAF4-23A119B47D30@me.com>
Message-ID: <5EE50015-D748-4796-98F9-5E79EA59CC1B@me.com>

Correction of previous script:

on deleteImage
put the number of images of this card into tImages
repeat with x = sImages down to 1
if last char of the short name of image x is an integer then ? you will then keep the image you use as basis for the clones
delete image x
end if
end repeat
end deleteImage

> 18. jan. 2018 kl. 17:32 skrev Tore Nilsen via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> on deleteImage
> put the number of images of this card into tImages
> repeat with x = sImages down to 1
> if last char of the short name of image x is an integer then ? you will then keep the image you use as basis for the clones
> delete image x
> end if
> end repeat
> repeat with x 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 18 12:12:43 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 09:12:43 -0800
Subject: Roadmap: "Automated REST API wrapping"?
In-Reply-To: <bf8785d32db3c850f2ede9627ebdb2ee@livecode.com>
References: <bf8785d32db3c850f2ede9627ebdb2ee@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <58b737b6-211f-2acf-1cb3-de5e4a85e21e@fourthworld.com>

Mark Waddingham wrote:

 > On 2018-01-17 04:29, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
 >> The LC Roadmap at <https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/> includes
 >> under "Planned":
 >>
 >>   Automated REST API wrapping
 >>
 >> Sounds enticing.  What is it?
 >
 > This is referring to LiveCode Connect - which I did a prototype for in
 > an LCG2017 session...

Where can I access the LG2017 sessions?

I couldn't find a link on the public site or on my account page.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Jan 18 12:26:25 2018
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:26:25 +0000
Subject: Reading from xls or xlsx - with style
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDrVOMrxQdNGAynuWWOb_oj9G+KFigpFVcrGsbWhBM1EVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <71c345c8-8abb-dead-7925-b59d13ee6d5e@cogapp.com>
	<C5B10D9D-CC68-445A-89FF-5E99CA93FC2D@m-r-d.de>
	<CANbzFDoT8t1sDhUCaSx5-d0N9zrpN3i0drXif9OBm+Gjae2MaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0EE27E02-FCFD-49D9-BF95-F60DD621A332@m-r-d.de>
	<CANbzFDrVOMrxQdNGAynuWWOb_oj9G+KFigpFVcrGsbWhBM1EVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2e225748-867a-083b-1df4-c066fd843942@cogapp.com>

Thanks all for the suggestions.

In fact I found that although the docs for xlsx (aka OpenXML aka ECMA-376 aka 
ISO/IEC 29500) are a dense nightmare*, simply taking a close look at the 
format shows it's pretty simple to parse by reading the files directly, at 
least for my needs (just text and other literal values, in some cases with 
style, not caring about formulas, charts etc).

(If I wanted a more straightforward life, and was prepared to do some manual 
work on each file before processing it, and I/my client didn't have concerns 
about sharing internal data with Google, I did before getting this far 
establish that the easiest solution would be to import the spreadsheet into 
Google Sheets, which has a nice straightforward API for getting the data.)

So, thanks all - and if a visitor from the future is reading this thread 
because they have a similar requirement, my suggestion is to either run it 
through Google Sheets, or hack the xslx directly.

Ben

*Part 1 of the reference is a 5,036 page document. I didn't bother downloading 
the following parts...

On 16/01/2018 21:55, zryip theSlug via use-livecode wrote:
> Matthias, if by tooltip, you meant the comment associated to a cell,
> yes this is something potentially possible, too.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:52 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> As i wrote ? at least i am not aware of it? ;)
>>
>> good to know. That this is possible.
>>
>> Btw.: Do you know if it is also possible to read/get the tooltip of a cell of better said of a range of cells?
>>
>> Regards
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Tel +49 5741 310000
>> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
>>
>>> Am 16.01.2018 um 21:32 schrieb zryip theSlug via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>>>
>>> In the Excel Lib, the command XCEL_Range_FontStyle_Get is returning
>>> the style of the whole cell or range. We have no function to read the
>>> style of each char, at this moment.
>>> However, both VBA and AppleScript are offering this possibility, so
>>> this is a function we can add. A possible solution would consist to
>>> explore the style of each chars in a cell, then return the result in
>>> html to have it directly usable in LiveCode. I'm not sure of the
>>> performances of this approach, though. It will depend on how many
>>> cells the sheet have and how many text each cells are containing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
>>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>>>> Ben,
>>>>
>>>> i am uising Spreadlib and Excel Libary. Both do not take care for text format.
>>>> At least i am not aware of it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Matthias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>>> Tel +49 5741 310000
>>>> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/> <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/ <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>>?
>>>>
>>>>> Am 16.01.2018 um 19:10 schrieb Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm aware that there are a couple of libraries floating around for reading Excel documents - do any of them allow the formatting of runs of text within cells to be read? I want to import some data where some of the text in a cell may contain some parts which are in italics or bold. Are there existing libraries that support this use?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 18 15:03:13 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 15:03:13 -0500
Subject: Roadmap: "Automated REST API wrapping"?
In-Reply-To: <58b737b6-211f-2acf-1cb3-de5e4a85e21e@fourthworld.com>
References: <bf8785d32db3c850f2ede9627ebdb2ee@livecode.com>
	<58b737b6-211f-2acf-1cb3-de5e4a85e21e@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPLudVd+HviMpW=E00nSrg-ANWx3gc1is5AR95HoE=yDQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think it was part of a two-fer that Mark and Kevin were doing during the
keynote in either July or August or September or October or November

On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Mark Waddingham wrote:
>
> > On 2018-01-17 04:29, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> >> The LC Roadmap at <https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/> includes
> >> under "Planned":
> >>
> >>   Automated REST API wrapping
> >>
> >> Sounds enticing.  What is it?
> >
> > This is referring to LiveCode Connect - which I did a prototype for in
> > an LCG2017 session...
>
> Where can I access the LG2017 sessions?
>
> I couldn't find a link on the public site or on my account page.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
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On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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And God said, "This is good."


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jan 18 15:11:38 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 12:11:38 -0800
Subject: Roadmap: "Automated REST API wrapping"?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPLudVd+HviMpW=E00nSrg-ANWx3gc1is5AR95HoE=yDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPLudVd+HviMpW=E00nSrg-ANWx3gc1is5AR95HoE=yDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1bcf5a7b-c795-7515-1f14-6149830fb015@fourthworld.com>

Thanks, Mike.  Where do I find the LG 2017 videos?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems

Mike Kerner wrote:
> I think it was part of a two-fer that Mark and Kevin were doing during the
> keynote in either July or August or September or October or November
> 
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mark Waddingham wrote:
>>
>> > On 2018-01-17 04:29, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> >> The LC Roadmap at <https://livecode.com/resources/roadmap/> includes
>> >> under "Planned":
>> >>
>> >>   Automated REST API wrapping
>> >>
>> >> Sounds enticing.  What is it?
>> >
>> > This is referring to LiveCode Connect - which I did a prototype for in
>> > an LCG2017 session...
>>
>> Where can I access the LG2017 sessions?
>>
>> I couldn't find a link on the public site or on my account page.
>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin

-- 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 18 18:46:25 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 17:46:25 -0600
Subject: Changes to Google Play submissions
Message-ID: <85c23d24-9ddf-7f8b-b77f-ffadcec24c6e@hyperactivesw.com>

 From the blog:
"We?re giving Android developers a heads up about changes coming to 
Google Play to increase app security and performance. In the second half 
of 2018, new apps and app updates will be required to target a recent 
API level. In 2019, new apps and app updates with native libraries must 
provide 64-bit versions in addition to their 32-bit versions."

More here:

<https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/12/improving-app-security-and-performance.html>

How will this affect our Android apps? Are we 64-bit? Is there a way to 
"target" a version? I only see a way to select a minimum version in 
standalone settings, though I guess we could provide a custom manifest.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jan 18 21:05:45 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:05:45 -0800
Subject: gradient selectors
In-Reply-To: <39FFD546-B826-4CEF-B874-A9E00B49ECD4@livecode.org>
References: <e8a4a1dc-bc60-5822-b219-b95cbbc31765@sonic.net>
	<39FFD546-B826-4CEF-B874-A9E00B49ECD4@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <96940015-ce12-3772-3c6a-3aff6d774d77@sonic.net>

On 01/17/2018 07:43 PM, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode wrote:
> Both fill and stroke gradients work fine on Mac High Sierra, no delays that I can see and definitely no hang, so it may be a Linux related bug.

Thanks for checking, Paul. Yeah, I just confirmed they're working on OSX 
as well. And not working on linux in LC8 and LC9.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jan 18 21:52:50 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 18:52:50 -0800
Subject: gradient selectors
In-Reply-To: <96940015-ce12-3772-3c6a-3aff6d774d77@sonic.net>
References: <e8a4a1dc-bc60-5822-b219-b95cbbc31765@sonic.net>
	<39FFD546-B826-4CEF-B874-A9E00B49ECD4@livecode.org>
	<96940015-ce12-3772-3c6a-3aff6d774d77@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <51402f0b-a66d-cd81-c960-df00d8043f91@sonic.net>

Bug report 20885 submitted.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From niconiko at gmail.com  Fri Jan 19 01:34:22 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 15:34:22 +0900
Subject: resizing and rescaling an object: Is this math/logic ok?
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxnhzNUfda0p6d_8PcMSsiyfgiZ4WuPeeOCJ6VSHfNKzFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Given these values...

original STACK-width is tOSW
original stack-height is tOSH

resized stack-width is tRSW
resized stack-height of stack is tRSH

original  OBJECT rect is tOOR  (i.e., left,top,right,bottom)

... and assuming I'm right that ...

ratio of stack's width change is tRSWC and equals
round(tRSW / tOSW,2)

ratio of stack's height change is tRSHC and equals
round(tRSH / tOSH,2)




... then how (further?) wrong am I in assuming that, if I want the original
object resized and repositioned to scale on the new stack size, the NEW
RECT of that object therefore equals ...

round(item 1 of tOOR * tRSWC,0) , round(item 2 of tOOR * tRSHC,0) ,
round(item 3 of tOOR * tRSWC,0), round(item 4 of tOOR * tRSHC,0)


Sorry if that was painful. For what it's worth, I'm embarassed posting it,
but...

--
Nicolas Cueto


From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Fri Jan 19 04:38:28 2018
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 09:38:28 +0000
Subject: Changes to Google Play submissions
In-Reply-To: <85c23d24-9ddf-7f8b-b77f-ffadcec24c6e@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <85c23d24-9ddf-7f8b-b77f-ffadcec24c6e@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1iL7d7UJrQxvJLnp_kdWKTDhoe4xTaByhtQ460Ci+qpUg@mail.gmail.com>

A quick update on these things from the tech team point of view:
We have made a a start towards both these things - firstly we have
identified a number of issues that need to be fixed in order to increase
the target sdk version. As you say, we probably need to add target sdk
version to the settings.
We also have an outstanding PR adding 64 bit Android support to the engine,
so there?s a bit of work to add support in the standalone builder.

On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 at 23:46, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>  From the blog:
> "We?re giving Android developers a heads up about changes coming to
> Google Play to increase app security and performance. In the second half
> of 2018, new apps and app updates will be required to target a recent
> API level. In 2019, new apps and app updates with native libraries must
> provide 64-bit versions in addition to their 32-bit versions."
>
> More here:
>
> <
> https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/12/improving-app-security-and-performance.html
> >
>
> How will this affect our Android apps? Are we 64-bit? Is there a way to
> "target" a version? I only see a way to select a minimum version in
> standalone settings, though I guess we could provide a custom manifest.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jan 19 09:50:32 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 09:50:32 -0500
Subject: resizing and rescaling an object: Is this math/logic ok?
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxnhzNUfda0p6d_8PcMSsiyfgiZ4WuPeeOCJ6VSHfNKzFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxnhzNUfda0p6d_8PcMSsiyfgiZ4WuPeeOCJ6VSHfNKzFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01d39134$df42cbe0$9dc863a0$@net>

This was my first attempt also. I found that precision errors crept in. The
first resize on the mobile device worked OK but change from portrait to
landscape a few times and the precision errors become very apparent. I
rolled my own my LC resize handler that positions controls based on the
current screen rect and their relationship to other controls. LC now offers
solutions that I have not used that others have had good success with.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 1:34 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Nicolas Cueto
Subject: resizing and rescaling an object: Is this math/logic ok?

Given these values...

original STACK-width is tOSW
original stack-height is tOSH

resized stack-width is tRSW
resized stack-height of stack is tRSH

original  OBJECT rect is tOOR  (i.e., left,top,right,bottom)

... and assuming I'm right that ...

ratio of stack's width change is tRSWC and equals round(tRSW / tOSW,2)

ratio of stack's height change is tRSHC and equals round(tRSH / tOSH,2)




... then how (further?) wrong am I in assuming that, if I want the original
object resized and repositioned to scale on the new stack size, the NEW RECT
of that object therefore equals ...

round(item 1 of tOOR * tRSWC,0) , round(item 2 of tOOR * tRSHC,0) ,
round(item 3 of tOOR * tRSWC,0), round(item 4 of tOOR * tRSHC,0)


Sorry if that was painful. For what it's worth, I'm embarassed posting it,
but...

--
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Fri Jan 19 09:53:03 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 09:53:03 -0500
Subject: sample stacks from conference?
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB72+kLy56EY_guX5rdvQxD+28k=rGzO+Qi9yvN_=bBZew@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know where the sample stacks from the LC Global Conference can
be found?

Cheers


From heather at livecode.com  Fri Jan 19 10:19:59 2018
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 15:19:59 +0000
Subject: sample stacks from conference?
In-Reply-To: <CAEk4XB72+kLy56EY_guX5rdvQxD+28k=rGzO+Qi9yvN_=bBZew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEk4XB72+kLy56EY_guX5rdvQxD+28k=rGzO+Qi9yvN_=bBZew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1DCCCC7C-34D2-4E64-85FD-45B8CAD63C5F@livecode.com>

Check your mail...

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 19 Jan 2018, at 14:53, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know where the sample stacks from the LC Global Conference can
> be found?
> 
> Cheers
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From brian at milby7.com  Fri Jan 19 10:53:39 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 15:53:39 +0000
Subject: resizing and rescaling an object: Is this math/logic ok?
In-Reply-To: <001f01d39134$df42cbe0$9dc863a0$@net>
References: <CAGeTkxnhzNUfda0p6d_8PcMSsiyfgiZ4WuPeeOCJ6VSHfNKzFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01d39134$df42cbe0$9dc863a0$@net>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYc2y34nvrHw94xieYkLS1W-0wUutCgihHZqepHkFM10w@mail.gmail.com>

The calculations that you are making are sound, but as Ralph said, after
repeated changes it may end up "off".

The type of positioning that you are doing is one of the things that the
current Geometry Manager (GM) Property Inspector (PI) will not allow (when
you resize a control, the left/top can only be fixed to the card edge and
not proportional).  But, the method that the GM uses is helpful to know.

The GM avoids the cumulative error problem by storing positioning as fixed
numbers in the GM custom properties.  It will either store absolute pixel
positions or relative % of card dimension positions.  Positions are based
on either a card edge or another control edge.  So for your situation, you
would want to calculate the offset % for each side and then just use the
new card dimensions to calculate the new control rect.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan 19 11:26:15 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:26:15 +0000
Subject: resizing and rescaling an object: Is this math/logic ok?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRYc2y34nvrHw94xieYkLS1W-0wUutCgihHZqepHkFM10w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxnhzNUfda0p6d_8PcMSsiyfgiZ4WuPeeOCJ6VSHfNKzFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01d39134$df42cbe0$9dc863a0$@net>
	<CA+yhkRYc2y34nvrHw94xieYkLS1W-0wUutCgihHZqepHkFM10w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14E485B2-45F5-47E9-B76C-333C60F82554@iotecdigital.com>

To demonstrate, the following formula:

5 * 3 * .5 * .66 = 4.95 (not 5)

hence the need to store a base size and always work your math from that. 

Bob S


> On Jan 19, 2018, at 07:53 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> The calculations that you are making are sound, but as Ralph said, after
> repeated changes it may end up "off".
> 
> The type of positioning that you are doing is one of the things that the
> current Geometry Manager (GM) Property Inspector (PI) will not allow (when
> you resize a control, the left/top can only be fixed to the card edge and
> not proportional).  But, the method that the GM uses is helpful to know.
> 
> The GM avoids the cumulative error problem by storing positioning as fixed
> numbers in the GM custom properties.  It will either store absolute pixel
> positions or relative % of card dimension positions.  Positions are based
> on either a card edge or another control edge.  So for your situation, you
> would want to calculate the offset % for each side and then just use the
> new card dimensions to calculate the new control rect.




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Jan 19 15:46:00 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 21:46:00 +0100
Subject: What for can i use the new Vector Icon Widget in LC9DP11?
Message-ID: <2B6E140D-24F3-4DFD-B1A1-B2C73C2C64B9@m-r-d.de>

Hi,
can i use the Vector Icon Widget  as Icon for a button? I think i?ve seen somewhere that this is possible. But i am not totally sure and i may be wrong.

Matthias




Matthias Rebbe
Tel +49 5741 310000
?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?



From brian at milby7.com  Fri Jan 19 17:45:30 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 22:45:30 +0000
Subject: What for can i use the new Vector Icon Widget in LC9DP11?
In-Reply-To: <2B6E140D-24F3-4DFD-B1A1-B2C73C2C64B9@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B6E140D-24F3-4DFD-B1A1-B2C73C2C64B9@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRapyM66pGjL6u=p01bcdUjHKc=HDZnib9aSqVkN=xeuiQ@mail.gmail.com>

The vector icon widget from late last year is not needed. You can use the
new compiled drawing format directly as the image text. Then the image can
be used just like any other (mostly... some SVG drawings will not scale).
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 2:47 PM Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> can i use the Vector Icon Widget  as Icon for a button? I think i?ve seen
> somewhere that this is possible. But i am not totally sure and i may be
> wrong.
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
>
> Matthias Rebbe
> Tel +49 5741 310000
> ?https://matthiasrebbe.eu <https://matthiasrebbe.eu/>?
>
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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 06:10:35 2018
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 12:10:35 +0100
Subject: Width and height image gets bigger on changing angle
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn7BYB4-Ja22F57G5tJDipxGoMV0sptn7aNLP1noAhuUbg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

When I add an image as a control to a new stack it gets bigger when I set
an angle of 270.

---
on mouseup
set the angle of me to 270
clone me
set the angle of me to 0
end mouseup
---

Width and height are changed by 1 px.
Is that normal behaviour?
How do I prevent this?

LC 8.1.8




greetings,

William


From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 06:14:56 2018
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 12:14:56 +0100
Subject: Width and height image gets bigger on changing angle
In-Reply-To: <CAHFYGn7BYB4-Ja22F57G5tJDipxGoMV0sptn7aNLP1noAhuUbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHFYGn7BYB4-Ja22F57G5tJDipxGoMV0sptn7aNLP1noAhuUbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn5tRCTAT0QSWNnRJ7daLn-_KA3ivrK=CrmiX-HkEvw5fg@mail.gmail.com>

Answering my own question:
it works fine when you use 'rotate by -90'

groeten,

William



2018-01-20 12:10 GMT+01:00 William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com>:

> Hi,
>
> When I add an image as a control to a new stack it gets bigger when I set
> an angle of 270.
>
> ---
> on mouseup
> set the angle of me to 270
> clone me
> set the angle of me to 0
> end mouseup
> ---
>
> Width and height are changed by 1 px.
> Is that normal behaviour?
> How do I prevent this?
>
> LC 8.1.8
>
>
>
>
> greetings,
>
> William
>
>
>


From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jan 20 13:42:04 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 19:42:04 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help 2
Message-ID: <B0C040C3-4BC2-4F23-94D1-85281B00EF69@major-k.de>

Hi Friends,

what is wrong with this script?

Anything to INTI before using "dropboxupload"?
Or anything else I forgot?

LC 9 dp 11, macOS 10.13.2.

...
put url("binfile:/Volumes/HD500/Dokumente2/test1.livecode") into pData
## a small stack of 27 KB
put "My personal Access token as generated from Dropbox here" into pAccessToken
dropboxUpload pAccessToken, "dropboxtestlc1.rev", "overwrite", FALSE, FALSE, pData
put it into fld 1
## I waited for hours, but fld 1 remains empty? No error, nada...
...

Thanks a lot in advance!


Best

Klaus
--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jan 20 13:44:29 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 19:44:29 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help 2
In-Reply-To: <B0C040C3-4BC2-4F23-94D1-85281B00EF69@major-k.de>
References: <B0C040C3-4BC2-4F23-94D1-85281B00EF69@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <9547F1F8-F050-42AF-A7DC-0C27EE7425BC@major-k.de>

Am 20.01.2018 um 19:42 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Friends,
> 
> ...
> Anything to INTI before using "dropboxupload"?

sorry, I meant INIT.


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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 20 14:58:15 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 13:58:15 -0600
Subject: Dropbox help 2
In-Reply-To: <B0C040C3-4BC2-4F23-94D1-85281B00EF69@major-k.de>
References: <B0C040C3-4BC2-4F23-94D1-85281B00EF69@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <457896be-f931-7ba6-5f74-d24ef167da40@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/20/18 12:42 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Friends,
> 
> what is wrong with this script?
> 
> Anything to INTI before using "dropboxupload"?
> Or anything else I forgot?
> 
> LC 9 dp 11, macOS 10.13.2.
> 
> ...
> put url("binfile:/Volumes/HD500/Dokumente2/test1.livecode") into pData
> ## a small stack of 27 KB
> put "My personal Access token as generated from Dropbox here" into pAccessToken
> dropboxUpload pAccessToken, "dropboxtestlc1.rev", "overwrite", FALSE, FALSE, pData
> put it into fld 1
> ## I waited for hours, but fld 1 remains empty? No error, nada...
> ...

Try checking the result too.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jan 20 15:11:58 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 21:11:58 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help 2
In-Reply-To: <457896be-f931-7ba6-5f74-d24ef167da40@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <B0C040C3-4BC2-4F23-94D1-85281B00EF69@major-k.de>
	<457896be-f931-7ba6-5f74-d24ef167da40@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0FF72120-565F-4E93-A3DB-AA5E4A08B957@major-k.de>

Hi Jaques,

> Am 20.01.2018 um 20:58 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> On 1/20/18 12:42 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hi Friends,
>> what is wrong with this script?
>> Anything to INTI before using "dropboxupload"?
>> Or anything else I forgot?
>> LC 9 dp 11, macOS 10.13.2.
>> ...
>> put url("binfile:/Volumes/HD500/Dokumente2/test1.livecode") into pData
>> ## a small stack of 27 KB
>> put "My personal Access token as generated from Dropbox here" into pAccessToken
>> dropboxUpload pAccessToken, "dropboxtestlc1.rev", "overwrite", FALSE, FALSE, pData
>> put it into fld 1
>> ## I waited for hours, but fld 1 remains empty? No error, nada...
>> ...
> 
> Try checking the result too.

ah, yes, sure! 8-)

I get -> tsneterr: HTTP response code 400 returned from server

According to the Dropbox API docs this means -> Bad input parameter.
(if the LC dropbox library uses the HTTP protocol!)

So what parameter in my script may be wrong, if this is the actual problem?

Thank you!

> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jan 20 15:22:10 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 21:22:10 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help 2
In-Reply-To: <0FF72120-565F-4E93-A3DB-AA5E4A08B957@major-k.de>
References: <B0C040C3-4BC2-4F23-94D1-85281B00EF69@major-k.de>
	<457896be-f931-7ba6-5f74-d24ef167da40@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0FF72120-565F-4E93-A3DB-AA5E4A08B957@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <9B473E44-B603-4C6F-BC45-1CE2A32C25DD@major-k.de>

HA! Found it! :-)

I had to add a SLASH at the beginning og the PATH parameter:
...
dropboxUpload pAccessToken, "/dropboxtestlc1.rev", "overwrite", FALSE, FALSE, pData
...

> Am 20.01.2018 um 21:11 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Jaques,
> 
>> Am 20.01.2018 um 20:58 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> On 1/20/18 12:42 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote:
>>> Hi Friends,
>>> what is wrong with this script?
>>> Anything to INTI before using "dropboxupload"?
>>> Or anything else I forgot?
>>> LC 9 dp 11, macOS 10.13.2.
>>> ...
>>> put url("binfile:/Volumes/HD500/Dokumente2/test1.livecode") into pData
>>> ## a small stack of 27 KB
>>> put "My personal Access token as generated from Dropbox here" into pAccessToken
>>> dropboxUpload pAccessToken, "dropboxtestlc1.rev", "overwrite", FALSE, FALSE, pData
>>> put it into fld 1
>>> ## I waited for hours, but fld 1 remains empty? No error, nada...
>>> ...
>> 
>> Try checking the result too.
> 
> ah, yes, sure! 8-)
> 
> I get -> tsneterr: HTTP response code 400 returned from server
> 
> According to the Dropbox API docs this means -> Bad input parameter.
> (if the LC dropbox library uses the HTTP protocol!)
> 
> So what parameter in my script may be wrong, if this is the actual problem?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 17:51:44 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 14:51:44 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>

This page http://livecode.wikia.com/wiki/Behavior describes "chained"
behaviors, saying that button 1 can have button 2 as its behavior, and if
button 2 has button 3 as *its* behavior, then button 1 will have access to
the handlers in both button 2 and button 3.

This seems to work in LC 8.1.8, although chained behaviors seem to be
somewhat brittle -- I'm seeing that sometimes closing and opening a stack
causes button 1 in the above example to inherit from button 2, but not from
button 3.

SO: is there a way to support this for script-only stacks? As far as I
know, script-only stacks only support defining the name and script of the
stack, and no properties at all, i.e. no ability to set a behavior for the
script-only stack. So in the above example, button 3 could be replaced by a
script-only stack, but button 2 could not (without losing the inheritance
from button 3).

Is that correct?

gc


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan 20 18:52:31 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 18:52:31 -0500
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>

I believe they do, because I think Trevor is doing this with Levure.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This page http://livecode.wikia.com/wiki/Behavior describes "chained"
> behaviors, saying that button 1 can have button 2 as its behavior, and if
> button 2 has button 3 as *its* behavior, then button 1 will have access to
> the handlers in both button 2 and button 3.
>
> This seems to work in LC 8.1.8, although chained behaviors seem to be
> somewhat brittle -- I'm seeing that sometimes closing and opening a stack
> causes button 1 in the above example to inherit from button 2, but not from
> button 3.
>
> SO: is there a way to support this for script-only stacks? As far as I
> know, script-only stacks only support defining the name and script of the
> stack, and no properties at all, i.e. no ability to set a behavior for the
> script-only stack. So in the above example, button 3 could be replaced by a
> script-only stack, but button 2 could not (without losing the inheritance
> from button 3).
>
> Is that correct?
>
> gc
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Jan 20 19:14:55 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 00:14:55 +0000
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:53 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I believe they do, because I think Trevor is doing this with Levure.


You can?t specify the behavior property of a script only stack in the
script only stack itself. You have to assign the behavior of the script
only stack using code after the stack has been loaded into memory. The
behavior property setting won?t persist however.

Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

>


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 19:43:04 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 16:43:04 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>

Well that's too bad for anyone who's currently using chained behaviors and
wants to use source control (i.e. convert to script-only stacks).


From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Sat Jan 20 20:12:50 2018
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 01:12:50 +0000
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1jVEXy9oQNmzRaf28Fq2xNBxbViSHs2mNpQkQ04pMComA@mail.gmail.com>

There are also plenty of examples in the IDE - most of the palettes have
their own specific behavior chained to the generic palette behavior.

Most of them do something like the following handler:
on setAsBehavior pTarget dispatch "setAsBehavior" to stack
revIDEFrameBehavior() with the long id of this me set the behavior of
pTarget to the long id of this me end setAsBehavior

They then call the setAsBehavior handler on preOpenStack.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:14 AM Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:53 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I believe they do, because I think Trevor is doing this with Levure.
>
>
> You can?t specify the behavior property of a script only stack in the
> script only stack itself. You have to assign the behavior of the script
> only stack using code after the stack has been loaded into memory. The
> behavior property setting won?t persist however.
>
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
>
> >
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Jan 20 20:15:28 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 01:15:28 +0000
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 6:43 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well that's too bad for anyone who's currently using chained behaviors and
> wants to use source control (i.e. convert to script-only stacks).
>
Yes it is.

For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only stacks that
require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in order to
manage the scripts with source control.

Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps


From ali.lloyd at livecode.com  Sat Jan 20 20:18:17 2018
From: ali.lloyd at livecode.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 01:18:17 +0000
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1jVEXy9oQNmzRaf28Fq2xNBxbViSHs2mNpQkQ04pMComA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJR0Q1jVEXy9oQNmzRaf28Fq2xNBxbViSHs2mNpQkQ04pMComA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1iVi0SdsuiVw61d=GUg1xp_LP1bmy37wU4wPWFqXg4LKw@mail.gmail.com>

I should clarify: say you want stack 1 to have behavior stack 2 which has
behavior stack 3.

In the IDE we commonly do:
Stack 1:

on preOpenStack
   dispatch "setAsBehavior" to stack "Stack 2" with the long id of me
end preOpenStack

Stack 2:
on setAsBehavior pTarget
   dispatch "setAsBehavior" to stack "Stack 3" with the long id of this me
   set the behavior of pTarget to the long id of this me
end setAsBehavior

Stack 3:
on setAsBehavior pTarget
   set the behavior of pTarget to the long id of this me
end setAsBehavior

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 1:12 AM Ali Lloyd <ali.lloyd at livecode.com> wrote:

> There are also plenty of examples in the IDE - most of the palettes have
> their own specific behavior chained to the generic palette behavior.
>
> Most of them do something like the following handler:
> on setAsBehavior pTarget dispatch "setAsBehavior" to stack
> revIDEFrameBehavior() with the long id of this me set the behavior of
> pTarget to the long id of this me end setAsBehavior
>
> They then call the setAsBehavior handler on preOpenStack.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:14 AM Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:53 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I believe they do, because I think Trevor is doing this with Levure.
>>
>>
>> You can?t specify the behavior property of a script only stack in the
>> script only stack itself. You have to assign the behavior of the script
>> only stack using code after the stack has been loaded into memory. The
>> behavior property setting won?t persist however.
>>
>> Trevor DeVore
>> ScreenSteps
>>
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Jan 20 20:25:53 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 17:25:53 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqzu03m0M_Rm+eyvEG60L-Ndk8=6ew-6qYD6y=o1FgP1A@mail.gmail.com>

I get that it can be done, I just hesitate to start monkeying with people's
scripts like that in Navigator (which is going to have a conversion
function in the next update). For now I'm thinking that I just skip
anything with chained behaviors, unless someone has a better suggestion.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only stacks that
> require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in order to
> manage the scripts with source control.
>
>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan 20 22:16:00 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 22:16:00 -0500
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqzu03m0M_Rm+eyvEG60L-Ndk8=6ew-6qYD6y=o1FgP1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
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Dumb question, Geoff, are you going to embed/call Scriptifier to achieve
that or are you going to do something else?

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I get that it can be done, I just hesitate to start monkeying with people's
> scripts like that in Navigator (which is going to have a conversion
> function in the next update). For now I'm thinking that I just skip
> anything with chained behaviors, unless someone has a better suggestion.
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only stacks that
> > require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in order to
> > manage the scripts with source control.
> >
> >
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 02:01:42 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 23:01:42 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycN0G+pCP9zYjPqpG3pF9=uFMoyKq6oHxGgTbvTjyFWp5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
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I built my own, for several reasons, among them:

1. In the context of Navigator, I needed to support creating stack
behaviors for an arbitrary collection of controls, rather than recursing
through a stack.
2. I figured that Monte and I would approach the task differently, and we
did on several fronts.
3. I thought it would be fun to code. (and it was, I royally borked my
first implementation in the product definition phase)

I just ran my first test, and it seems to be working.

I'm going to build some more tests for it, then release it with stern
warnings that anyone using it on a non-backed-up project is foolish, and I
am not responsible for the horrible things they do with it. It should be
available sometime tomorrow.

gc

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Dumb question, Geoff, are you going to embed/call Scriptifier to achieve
> that or are you going to do something else?
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I get that it can be done, I just hesitate to start monkeying with
> people's
> > scripts like that in Navigator (which is going to have a conversion
> > function in the next update). For now I'm thinking that I just skip
> > anything with chained behaviors, unless someone has a better suggestion.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only stacks
> that
> > > require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in order
> to
> > > manage the scripts with source control.
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 02:28:45 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2018 23:28:45 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqk34wkN+Rm7cVzUxXPAtSGwXLzzW16-sDuO4pXyM0TVQ@mail.gmail.com>
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At a fundamental level (unless I'm misreading it) Scriptifier parses a
whole stack and looks for objects with a script and no behavior, and turns
them into an object with no script and a script-only stack behavior.
Navigator will work on whatever controls you tell it to, and will look for
objects with a script and no behavior, and turn them into an object with no
script and a script-only stack behavior, but it will also find objects with
a button behavior (that does not itself have a behavior), and create a
script-only stack with that button's script, and set those objects'
behavior to the resulting stacks (and the original button, so if there are
unconverted controls, they'll still work. I'm definitely going to have to
add an "and enclosed controls" option in Navigator. There are several other
differences, as there always will be when two different people look at a
problem.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> I built my own, for several reasons, among them:
>
> 1. In the context of Navigator, I needed to support creating stack
> behaviors for an arbitrary collection of controls, rather than recursing
> through a stack.
> 2. I figured that Monte and I would approach the task differently, and we
> did on several fronts.
> 3. I thought it would be fun to code. (and it was, I royally borked my
> first implementation in the product definition phase)
>
> I just ran my first test, and it seems to be working.
>
> I'm going to build some more tests for it, then release it with stern
> warnings that anyone using it on a non-backed-up project is foolish, and I
> am not responsible for the horrible things they do with it. It should be
> available sometime tomorrow.
>
> gc
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Dumb question, Geoff, are you going to embed/call Scriptifier to achieve
>> that or are you going to do something else?
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I get that it can be done, I just hesitate to start monkeying with
>> people's
>> > scripts like that in Navigator (which is going to have a conversion
>> > function in the next update). For now I'm thinking that I just skip
>> > anything with chained behaviors, unless someone has a better suggestion.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only stacks
>> that
>> > > require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in order
>> to
>> > > manage the scripts with source control.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> > subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>    and did a little diving.
>> And God said, "This is good."
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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>
>


From mkoob at rogers.com  Sun Jan 21 09:08:52 2018
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 07:08:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: How I learned to love and use auto quotes & parentheses with LC 9 DP11
Message-ID: <1516543732161-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Maybe I am the last person to know this but if you don't this may be helpful.

I was getting frustrated with the new feature that automatically puts the
end quote when you type the initial  quote.  

It works fine if you are typing the initial quote first and then the text
contained within the quote.
i.e. if I wanted to type myCleverFunction("my string")

when I type

  myCleverFunction(
  
script editor would complete the parentheses  to give you 

   myCleverFunction()

with the cursor between the parentheses.  

Then when I type an initial quote and I would get 

myCleverFunction("") 

with my cursor between the quotes so I could type the text in the quotes. So
that works great.

What would drive me nuts was if I had to go back in a line of script after
it had been typed and add quotes or parentheses around some text already
there.   

If I typed an initial quote I would get this: 

 ""put in quotes

Instead of what I wanted:

 "put in quotes

So I would have to delete one of the quotes then put my cursor at the end of
the string and type the quote and again get this.

 "put in quotes""

Again I have to delete one of the quotes.

Then by accident I found how you are actually supposed to do it.  

Select the text  'put in quotes' then type the quote and the quotes will be
put at the beginning and end of the selection.

The same works for open parenthesis '(' and open square bracket '['.  

That saves a keystroke and some mousing around to get the second quote
insertion point over the old way with out the auto complete.

I did a quick search but could not find this in the documentation so thought
I would post that epiphany here.

Happy quoting. 

Martin Koob




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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jan 21 10:39:23 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 15:39:23 +0000
Subject: How I learned to love and use auto quotes & parentheses with LC 9
	DP11
In-Reply-To: <1516543732161-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1516543732161-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaFewkR_zY7k3s7OyBOCAfvy2E=p=VtBXAC63piTHAVRA@mail.gmail.com>

One other useful tidbit is that it will skip over the ending quote if you
type it... so when you type ? and get ?|?, you can type ?text|? and then
the next quote will skip over the automatically added one. (?|? is the
insertion point)
On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:09 AM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Maybe I am the last person to know this but if you don't this may be
> helpful.
>
> I was getting frustrated with the new feature that automatically puts the
> end quote when you type the initial  quote.
>
> It works fine if you are typing the initial quote first and then the text
> contained within the quote.
> i.e. if I wanted to type myCleverFunction("my string")
>
> when I type
>
>   myCleverFunction(
>
> script editor would complete the parentheses  to give you
>
>    myCleverFunction()
>
> with the cursor between the parentheses.
>
> Then when I type an initial quote and I would get
>
> myCleverFunction("")
>
> with my cursor between the quotes so I could type the text in the quotes.
> So
> that works great.
>
> What would drive me nuts was if I had to go back in a line of script after
> it had been typed and add quotes or parentheses around some text already
> there.
>
> If I typed an initial quote I would get this:
>
>  ""put in quotes
>
> Instead of what I wanted:
>
>  "put in quotes
>
> So I would have to delete one of the quotes then put my cursor at the end
> of
> the string and type the quote and again get this.
>
>  "put in quotes""
>
> Again I have to delete one of the quotes.
>
> Then by accident I found how you are actually supposed to do it.
>
> Select the text  'put in quotes' then type the quote and the quotes will be
> put at the beginning and end of the selection.
>
> The same works for open parenthesis '(' and open square bracket '['.
>
> That saves a keystroke and some mousing around to get the second quote
> insertion point over the old way with out the auto complete.
>
> I did a quick search but could not find this in the documentation so
> thought
> I would post that epiphany here.
>
> Happy quoting.
>
> Martin Koob
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jan 21 10:39:23 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 15:39:23 +0000
Subject: How I learned to love and use auto quotes & parentheses with LC 9
	DP11
In-Reply-To: <1516543732161-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1516543732161-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaFewkR_zY7k3s7OyBOCAfvy2E=p=VtBXAC63piTHAVRA@mail.gmail.com>

One other useful tidbit is that it will skip over the ending quote if you
type it... so when you type ? and get ?|?, you can type ?text|? and then
the next quote will skip over the automatically added one. (?|? is the
insertion point)
On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 8:09 AM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Maybe I am the last person to know this but if you don't this may be
> helpful.
>
> I was getting frustrated with the new feature that automatically puts the
> end quote when you type the initial  quote.
>
> It works fine if you are typing the initial quote first and then the text
> contained within the quote.
> i.e. if I wanted to type myCleverFunction("my string")
>
> when I type
>
>   myCleverFunction(
>
> script editor would complete the parentheses  to give you
>
>    myCleverFunction()
>
> with the cursor between the parentheses.
>
> Then when I type an initial quote and I would get
>
> myCleverFunction("")
>
> with my cursor between the quotes so I could type the text in the quotes.
> So
> that works great.
>
> What would drive me nuts was if I had to go back in a line of script after
> it had been typed and add quotes or parentheses around some text already
> there.
>
> If I typed an initial quote I would get this:
>
>  ""put in quotes
>
> Instead of what I wanted:
>
>  "put in quotes
>
> So I would have to delete one of the quotes then put my cursor at the end
> of
> the string and type the quote and again get this.
>
>  "put in quotes""
>
> Again I have to delete one of the quotes.
>
> Then by accident I found how you are actually supposed to do it.
>
> Select the text  'put in quotes' then type the quote and the quotes will be
> put at the beginning and end of the selection.
>
> The same works for open parenthesis '(' and open square bracket '['.
>
> That saves a keystroke and some mousing around to get the second quote
> insertion point over the old way with out the auto complete.
>
> I did a quick search but could not find this in the documentation so
> thought
> I would post that epiphany here.
>
> Happy quoting.
>
> Martin Koob
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jan 21 11:02:30 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 17:02:30 +0100
Subject: How I learned to love and use auto quotes & parentheses with LC 9
	DP11
In-Reply-To: <1516543732161-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1516543732161-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BB560172-425F-4A27-B2C5-0A722BB0814F@m-r-d.de>

Martin,

thanks for this information. Helps me to like this completion option much more.

Matthias




> Am 21.01.2018 um 15:08 schrieb Martin Koob via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Maybe I am the last person to know this but if you don't this may be helpful.
> 
> I was getting frustrated with the new feature that automatically puts the
> end quote when you type the initial  quote.  
> 
> It works fine if you are typing the initial quote first and then the text
> contained within the quote.
> i.e. if I wanted to type myCleverFunction("my string")
> 
> when I type
> 
>  myCleverFunction(
> 
> script editor would complete the parentheses  to give you 
> 
>   myCleverFunction()
> 
> with the cursor between the parentheses.  
> 
> Then when I type an initial quote and I would get 
> 
> myCleverFunction("") 
> 
> with my cursor between the quotes so I could type the text in the quotes. So
> that works great.
> 
> What would drive me nuts was if I had to go back in a line of script after
> it had been typed and add quotes or parentheses around some text already
> there.   
> 
> If I typed an initial quote I would get this: 
> 
> ""put in quotes
> 
> Instead of what I wanted:
> 
> "put in quotes
> 
> So I would have to delete one of the quotes then put my cursor at the end of
> the string and type the quote and again get this.
> 
> "put in quotes""
> 
> Again I have to delete one of the quotes.
> 
> Then by accident I found how you are actually supposed to do it.  
> 
> Select the text  'put in quotes' then type the quote and the quotes will be
> put at the beginning and end of the selection.
> 
> The same works for open parenthesis '(' and open square bracket '['.  
> 
> That saves a keystroke and some mousing around to get the second quote
> insertion point over the old way with out the auto complete.
> 
> I did a quick search but could not find this in the documentation so thought
> I would post that epiphany here.
> 
> Happy quoting. 
> 
> Martin Koob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html <http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html>
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 11:09:07 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 18:09:07 +0200
Subject: Switcheroo
Message-ID: <bcdaa9e5-dd4b-06a7-baf1-67d90dc73da6@gmail.com>

I have a list field where each line may contain a number or be empty.

I need a SWITCH statement that checks the state of each line . . .

This is throwing a "bluey":

switch line number of fld "MM" is empty

Where am I going wrong?

Richmond.


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 11:35:32 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 09:35:32 -0700
Subject: Switcheroo
In-Reply-To: <bcdaa9e5-dd4b-06a7-baf1-67d90dc73da6@gmail.com>
References: <bcdaa9e5-dd4b-06a7-baf1-67d90dc73da6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoUSEJ2KcqtnEDpka24Z9Uy3rTz=tjFinm3GfeC_uAdVA@mail.gmail.com>

You aren't actually providing a line number.  Try this..

repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in field "mm"
switch (line i of fld "mm" is empty)
   case true

   break
   case false

   break
end switch
end repeat

Though if you have a LOT of lines you'd be better off adjusting it to use
repeat for each and running a separate counter...

put 1 into tCounter
repeat for each line tLine in field "mm
     switch (tLine is empty)
           case true
               -- the line is empty, tcounter contains the number of the
line
           break
           case false
                -- the line is NOT empty, tcounter contains the number of
the line
           break
end switch
add 1 to tCounter -- increment to keep tCounter in sync with the line number
end repeat

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have a list field where each line may contain a number or be empty.
>
> I need a SWITCH statement that checks the state of each line . . .
>
> This is throwing a "bluey":
>
> switch line number of fld "MM" is empty
>
> Where am I going wrong?
>
> Richmond.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 21 11:39:09 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 10:39:09 -0600
Subject: How I learned to love and use auto quotes & parentheses with LC 9
	DP11
In-Reply-To: <1516543732161-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1516543732161-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <16119967be0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Speaking of auto-insertions, is there something in 9dp11 that blocks 
cmd-shift-space? A custom insertion I use no longer works.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On January 21, 2018 8:11:09 AM Martin Koob via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Maybe I am the last person to know this but if you don't this may be helpful.
>
> I was getting frustrated with the new feature that automatically puts the
> end quote when you type the initial  quote.
>
> It works fine if you are typing the initial quote first and then the text
> contained within the quote.
> i.e. if I wanted to type myCleverFunction("my string")
>
> when I type
>
>   myCleverFunction(
>
> script editor would complete the parentheses  to give you
>
>    myCleverFunction()
>
> with the cursor between the parentheses.
>
> Then when I type an initial quote and I would get
>
> myCleverFunction("")
>
> with my cursor between the quotes so I could type the text in the quotes. So
> that works great.
>
> What would drive me nuts was if I had to go back in a line of script after
> it had been typed and add quotes or parentheses around some text already
> there.
>
> If I typed an initial quote I would get this:
>
>  ""put in quotes
>
> Instead of what I wanted:
>
>  "put in quotes
>
> So I would have to delete one of the quotes then put my cursor at the end of
> the string and type the quote and again get this.
>
>  "put in quotes""
>
> Again I have to delete one of the quotes.
>
> Then by accident I found how you are actually supposed to do it.
>
> Select the text  'put in quotes' then type the quote and the quotes will be
> put at the beginning and end of the selection.
>
> The same works for open parenthesis '(' and open square bracket '['.
>
> That saves a keystroke and some mousing around to get the second quote
> insertion point over the old way with out the auto complete.
>
> I did a quick search but could not find this in the documentation so thought
> I would post that epiphany here.
>
> Happy quoting.
>
> Martin Koob
>
>
>
>
> --
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 11:57:17 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 18:57:17 +0200
Subject: Switcheroo
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoUSEJ2KcqtnEDpka24Z9Uy3rTz=tjFinm3GfeC_uAdVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcdaa9e5-dd4b-06a7-baf1-67d90dc73da6@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoUSEJ2KcqtnEDpka24Z9Uy3rTz=tjFinm3GfeC_uAdVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d4d7f78-edd3-6716-4047-86e4160f97f7@gmail.com>

Thank you very much: I'll get back to work.

Richmond.

On 21/1/2018 6:35 pm, Mike Bonner via use-livecode wrote:
> You aren't actually providing a line number.  Try this..
>
> repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in field "mm"
> switch (line i of fld "mm" is empty)
>     case true
>
>     break
>     case false
>
>     break
> end switch
> end repeat
>
> Though if you have a LOT of lines you'd be better off adjusting it to use
> repeat for each and running a separate counter...
>
> put 1 into tCounter
> repeat for each line tLine in field "mm
>       switch (tLine is empty)
>             case true
>                 -- the line is empty, tcounter contains the number of the
> line
>             break
>             case false
>                  -- the line is NOT empty, tcounter contains the number of
> the line
>             break
> end switch
> add 1 to tCounter -- increment to keep tCounter in sync with the line number
> end repeat
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:09 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a list field where each line may contain a number or be empty.
>>
>> I need a SWITCH statement that checks the state of each line . . .
>>
>> This is throwing a "bluey":
>>
>> switch line number of fld "MM" is empty
>>
>> Where am I going wrong?
>>
>> Richmond.
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 21 16:34:16 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 16:34:16 -0500
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
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As long as you're at it, it would be cool if you added an option to
organize the SOS's the way Levure would.  I was working on Scriptifier to
do the same thing, but I haven't gotten around to finishing it.  If
Navigator does it, then I can just stop fiddling with my hack.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> At a fundamental level (unless I'm misreading it) Scriptifier parses a
> whole stack and looks for objects with a script and no behavior, and turns
> them into an object with no script and a script-only stack behavior.
> Navigator will work on whatever controls you tell it to, and will look for
> objects with a script and no behavior, and turn them into an object with no
> script and a script-only stack behavior, but it will also find objects with
> a button behavior (that does not itself have a behavior), and create a
> script-only stack with that button's script, and set those objects'
> behavior to the resulting stacks (and the original button, so if there are
> unconverted controls, they'll still work. I'm definitely going to have to
> add an "and enclosed controls" option in Navigator. There are several other
> differences, as there always will be when two different people look at a
> problem.
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I built my own, for several reasons, among them:
> >
> > 1. In the context of Navigator, I needed to support creating stack
> > behaviors for an arbitrary collection of controls, rather than recursing
> > through a stack.
> > 2. I figured that Monte and I would approach the task differently, and we
> > did on several fronts.
> > 3. I thought it would be fun to code. (and it was, I royally borked my
> > first implementation in the product definition phase)
> >
> > I just ran my first test, and it seems to be working.
> >
> > I'm going to build some more tests for it, then release it with stern
> > warnings that anyone using it on a non-backed-up project is foolish, and
> I
> > am not responsible for the horrible things they do with it. It should be
> > available sometime tomorrow.
> >
> > gc
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dumb question, Geoff, are you going to embed/call Scriptifier to achieve
> >> that or are you going to do something else?
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I get that it can be done, I just hesitate to start monkeying with
> >> people's
> >> > scripts like that in Navigator (which is going to have a conversion
> >> > function in the next update). For now I'm thinking that I just skip
> >> > anything with chained behaviors, unless someone has a better
> suggestion.
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only stacks
> >> that
> >> > > require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in
> order
> >> to
> >> > > manage the scripts with source control.
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>    and did a little diving.
> >> And God said, "This is good."
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From monte at appisle.net  Sun Jan 21 18:30:58 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 10:30:58 +1100
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
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Cool, scriptifier was/is just a tool I wrote because it took about the same about of time to write as to tediously scriptify a stack so I thought it would be a win in the end. If anyone is keen to make it more robust or start from scratch then have at it. FWIW it would probably be a good idea to check scriptified scripts for the conditional messages that are only sent if an object has them (idle, mouseStillDown etc) and warn about scriptifying those. We got caught with idle in an old script in an IDE stack once.

Cheers

Monte

> On 21 Jan 2018, at 6:28 pm, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> At a fundamental level (unless I'm misreading it) Scriptifier parses a
> whole stack and looks for objects with a script and no behavior, and turns
> them into an object with no script and a script-only stack behavior.
> Navigator will work on whatever controls you tell it to, and will look for
> objects with a script and no behavior, and turn them into an object with no
> script and a script-only stack behavior, but it will also find objects with
> a button behavior (that does not itself have a behavior), and create a
> script-only stack with that button's script, and set those objects'
> behavior to the resulting stacks (and the original button, so if there are
> unconverted controls, they'll still work. I'm definitely going to have to
> add an "and enclosed controls" option in Navigator. There are several other
> differences, as there always will be when two different people look at a
> problem.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I built my own, for several reasons, among them:
>> 
>> 1. In the context of Navigator, I needed to support creating stack
>> behaviors for an arbitrary collection of controls, rather than recursing
>> through a stack.
>> 2. I figured that Monte and I would approach the task differently, and we
>> did on several fronts.
>> 3. I thought it would be fun to code. (and it was, I royally borked my
>> first implementation in the product definition phase)
>> 
>> I just ran my first test, and it seems to be working.
>> 
>> I'm going to build some more tests for it, then release it with stern
>> warnings that anyone using it on a non-backed-up project is foolish, and I
>> am not responsible for the horrible things they do with it. It should be
>> available sometime tomorrow.
>> 
>> gc
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dumb question, Geoff, are you going to embed/call Scriptifier to achieve
>>> that or are you going to do something else?
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I get that it can be done, I just hesitate to start monkeying with
>>> people's
>>>> scripts like that in Navigator (which is going to have a conversion
>>>> function in the next update). For now I'm thinking that I just skip
>>>> anything with chained behaviors, unless someone has a better suggestion.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only stacks
>>> that
>>>>> require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in order
>>> to
>>>>> manage the scripts with source control.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>   and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
>> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 01:15:09 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:15:09 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <DC3C9048-7340-466C-83CB-9A0EB724E557@appisle.net>
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That's a nice idea about the warnings.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:30 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Cool, scriptifier was/is just a tool I wrote because it took about the
> same about of time to write as to tediously scriptify a stack so I thought
> it would be a win in the end. If anyone is keen to make it more robust or
> start from scratch then have at it. FWIW it would probably be a good idea
> to check scriptified scripts for the conditional messages that are only
> sent if an object has them (idle, mouseStillDown etc) and warn about
> scriptifying those. We got caught with idle in an old script in an IDE
> stack once.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
>
> > On 21 Jan 2018, at 6:28 pm, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > At a fundamental level (unless I'm misreading it) Scriptifier parses a
> > whole stack and looks for objects with a script and no behavior, and
> turns
> > them into an object with no script and a script-only stack behavior.
> > Navigator will work on whatever controls you tell it to, and will look
> for
> > objects with a script and no behavior, and turn them into an object with
> no
> > script and a script-only stack behavior, but it will also find objects
> with
> > a button behavior (that does not itself have a behavior), and create a
> > script-only stack with that button's script, and set those objects'
> > behavior to the resulting stacks (and the original button, so if there
> are
> > unconverted controls, they'll still work. I'm definitely going to have to
> > add an "and enclosed controls" option in Navigator. There are several
> other
> > differences, as there always will be when two different people look at a
> > problem.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I built my own, for several reasons, among them:
> >>
> >> 1. In the context of Navigator, I needed to support creating stack
> >> behaviors for an arbitrary collection of controls, rather than recursing
> >> through a stack.
> >> 2. I figured that Monte and I would approach the task differently, and
> we
> >> did on several fronts.
> >> 3. I thought it would be fun to code. (and it was, I royally borked my
> >> first implementation in the product definition phase)
> >>
> >> I just ran my first test, and it seems to be working.
> >>
> >> I'm going to build some more tests for it, then release it with stern
> >> warnings that anyone using it on a non-backed-up project is foolish,
> and I
> >> am not responsible for the horrible things they do with it. It should be
> >> available sometime tomorrow.
> >>
> >> gc
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dumb question, Geoff, are you going to embed/call Scriptifier to
> achieve
> >>> that or are you going to do something else?
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I get that it can be done, I just hesitate to start monkeying with
> >>> people's
> >>>> scripts like that in Navigator (which is going to have a conversion
> >>>> function in the next update). For now I'm thinking that I just skip
> >>>> anything with chained behaviors, unless someone has a better
> suggestion.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only stacks
> >>> that
> >>>>> require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in order
> >>> to
> >>>>> manage the scripts with source control.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>   and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 01:16:42 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:16:42 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPVkfRKXMuSywwRzHj4ZTDzrjhRo=ybsuOpotkt7=t0yA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqzu03m0M_Rm+eyvEG60L-Ndk8=6ew-6qYD6y=o1FgP1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN0G+pCP9zYjPqpG3pF9=uFMoyKq6oHxGgTbvTjyFWp5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqk34wkN+Rm7cVzUxXPAtSGwXLzzW16-sDuO4pXyM0TVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrFk607ovBoOg8DVFQ_1jixyF0NCmNnKD-HtnHpPGrS4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPVkfRKXMuSywwRzHj4ZTDzrjhRo=ybsuOpotkt7=t0yA@mail.gmail.com>
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How does Levure organize SOS's? The present setup already allows the user
to specify a target folder into which to place the newly created stacks,
and correctly sets the relative path in the stackfiles property.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> As long as you're at it, it would be cool if you added an option to
> organize the SOS's the way Levure would.  I was working on Scriptifier to
> do the same thing, but I haven't gotten around to finishing it.  If
> Navigator does it, then I can just stop fiddling with my hack.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > At a fundamental level (unless I'm misreading it) Scriptifier parses a
> > whole stack and looks for objects with a script and no behavior, and
> turns
> > them into an object with no script and a script-only stack behavior.
> > Navigator will work on whatever controls you tell it to, and will look
> for
> > objects with a script and no behavior, and turn them into an object with
> no
> > script and a script-only stack behavior, but it will also find objects
> with
> > a button behavior (that does not itself have a behavior), and create a
> > script-only stack with that button's script, and set those objects'
> > behavior to the resulting stacks (and the original button, so if there
> are
> > unconverted controls, they'll still work. I'm definitely going to have to
> > add an "and enclosed controls" option in Navigator. There are several
> other
> > differences, as there always will be when two different people look at a
> > problem.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 11:01 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I built my own, for several reasons, among them:
> > >
> > > 1. In the context of Navigator, I needed to support creating stack
> > > behaviors for an arbitrary collection of controls, rather than
> recursing
> > > through a stack.
> > > 2. I figured that Monte and I would approach the task differently, and
> we
> > > did on several fronts.
> > > 3. I thought it would be fun to code. (and it was, I royally borked my
> > > first implementation in the product definition phase)
> > >
> > > I just ran my first test, and it seems to be working.
> > >
> > > I'm going to build some more tests for it, then release it with stern
> > > warnings that anyone using it on a non-backed-up project is foolish,
> and
> > I
> > > am not responsible for the horrible things they do with it. It should
> be
> > > available sometime tomorrow.
> > >
> > > gc
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dumb question, Geoff, are you going to embed/call Scriptifier to
> achieve
> > >> that or are you going to do something else?
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I get that it can be done, I just hesitate to start monkeying with
> > >> people's
> > >> > scripts like that in Navigator (which is going to have a conversion
> > >> > function in the next update). For now I'm thinking that I just skip
> > >> > anything with chained behaviors, unless someone has a better
> > suggestion.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> > >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only
> stacks
> > >> that
> > >> > > require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in
> > order
> > >> to
> > >> > > manage the scripts with source control.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >>    and did a little diving.
> > >> And God said, "This is good."
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>
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> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 01:19:54 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:19:54 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>

It occurs to me that this isn't as much of a problem as I thought -- any
button being converted to a stack is highly unlikely to have an openstack
handler already in it, and therefore it would be safe to add one and
include setting the behavior of the script-only stack to the appropriate
stack up the chain. If there were already an openstack handler in the
chain, then the conversion process could stop at that point, or perhaps log
the error to the user. Unless I'm missing something?

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 6:43 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well that's too bad for anyone who's currently using chained behaviors
> and
> > wants to use source control (i.e. convert to script-only stacks).
> >
> Yes it is.
>
> For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only stacks that
> require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in order to
> manage the scripts with source control.
>
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 01:22:51 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:22:51 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoxPm9qVyoq=+G4VXGToLqQA5PL6ErwUO57NwKQw=4Aww@mail.gmail.com>

Also, status update: grr. I'm finding that the answer dialog I'm using to
warn the user that the script conversion process is dangerous and to work
on a backup is causing my script to die, no warning, and no error message.
The exact same script *not* running in Navigator works fine. Answer dialogs
in other Navigator handlers also work fine. I have zero idea why this might
be. Other than this I'd be testing away and releasing :-(

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 10:19 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> It occurs to me that this isn't as much of a problem as I thought -- any
> button being converted to a stack is highly unlikely to have an openstack
> handler already in it, and therefore it would be safe to add one and
> include setting the behavior of the script-only stack to the appropriate
> stack up the chain. If there were already an openstack handler in the
> chain, then the conversion process could stop at that point, or perhaps log
> the error to the user. Unless I'm missing something?
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 6:43 PM Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Well that's too bad for anyone who's currently using chained behaviors
>> and
>> > wants to use source control (i.e. convert to script-only stacks).
>> >
>> Yes it is.
>>
>> For now I just set the chained behaviors for any script only stacks that
>> require them when the app starts up. Not ideal, but worth it in order to
>> manage the scripts with source control.
>>
>> Trevor DeVore
>> ScreenSteps
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 01:35:52 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:35:52 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoxPm9qVyoq=+G4VXGToLqQA5PL6ErwUO57NwKQw=4Aww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoxPm9qVyoq=+G4VXGToLqQA5PL6ErwUO57NwKQw=4Aww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoddWm4ev1KwhhozoN1z-_76KBVPemYOGvfth0YnYc+-A@mail.gmail.com>

Double-grrr. I put the warning dialogs in the menuPick handler instead of
the conversion handler, and it works fine. That's *not* where the warnings
should be, since it means that it's possible to call the conversion handler
and receive no warnings. I'm testing further. Once I'm comfortable enough
to try it on (a copy of) Navigator itself, I'll post an update.

gc

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, status update: grr. I'm finding that the answer dialog I'm using to
> warn the user that the script conversion process is dangerous and to work
> on a backup is causing my script to die, no warning, and no error message.
> The exact same script *not* running in Navigator works fine. Answer dialogs
> in other Navigator handlers also work fine. I have zero idea why this might
> be. Other than this I'd be testing away and releasing :-(
>


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 01:42:26 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 22:42:26 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <DC3C9048-7340-466C-83CB-9A0EB724E557@appisle.net>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqzu03m0M_Rm+eyvEG60L-Ndk8=6ew-6qYD6y=o1FgP1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN0G+pCP9zYjPqpG3pF9=uFMoyKq6oHxGgTbvTjyFWp5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqk34wkN+Rm7cVzUxXPAtSGwXLzzW16-sDuO4pXyM0TVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrFk607ovBoOg8DVFQ_1jixyF0NCmNnKD-HtnHpPGrS4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC3C9048-7340-466C-83CB-9A0EB724E557@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqVxOdKV3_iKPXL5D7YWSfJ=niRj9E-AHtqjAS_rKf+TA@mail.gmail.com>

Another key difference in our implementations that I find fascinating: you
create script-only stacks by creating the stacks, then saving the stacks. I
created them by constructing a variable with the text contents of the
stacks, then writing that out to files with put into url etc.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:30 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Cool, scriptifier was/is just a tool I wrote because it took about the
> same about of time to write as to tediously scriptify a stack so I thought
> it would be a win in the end. If anyone is keen to make it more robust or
> start from scratch then have at it. FWIW it would probably be a good idea
> to check scriptified scripts for the conditional messages that are only
> sent if an object has them (idle, mouseStillDown etc) and warn about
> scriptifying those. We got caught with idle in an old script in an IDE
> stack once.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 02:00:03 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 23:00:03 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoddWm4ev1KwhhozoN1z-_76KBVPemYOGvfth0YnYc+-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoxPm9qVyoq=+G4VXGToLqQA5PL6ErwUO57NwKQw=4Aww@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoddWm4ev1KwhhozoN1z-_76KBVPemYOGvfth0YnYc+-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoA7y_HjaYWZSeGX3y+x4F_xgVNaA8oxc7wKugw_OKSLw@mail.gmail.com>

Heisenbug -- as far as I remember the last twenty minutes, the sequence of
edits was:

1. Answer commands die without warning
2. Wrap the problematic answer commands in a try...catch structure.
3. Run the command; get no error from the try, and the command runs all the
way through.
4. Comment out the try...catch structure, leaving the answer commands in
place.
5. Run the command; no errors, everything works fine.

So...something changed, obviously, but I have no idea what. Testing now...

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 10:35 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Double-grrr. I put the warning dialogs in the menuPick handler instead of
> the conversion handler, and it works fine. That's *not* where the warnings
> should be, since it means that it's possible to call the conversion handler
> and receive no warnings. I'm testing further. Once I'm comfortable enough
> to try it on (a copy of) Navigator itself, I'll post an update.
>
> gc
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Also, status update: grr. I'm finding that the answer dialog I'm using to
>> warn the user that the script conversion process is dangerous and to work
>> on a backup is causing my script to die, no warning, and no error message.
>> The exact same script *not* running in Navigator works fine. Answer dialogs
>> in other Navigator handlers also work fine. I have zero idea why this might
>> be. Other than this I'd be testing away and releasing :-(
>>
>


From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Jan 22 06:04:35 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:04:35 +0100
Subject: Anyone using a third-party update tool for LC-originated desktop apps?
Message-ID: <3BE53860-CE30-4104-A553-4C9B53931CB6@mac.com>

Nowadays it?s customary for quite modest apps after launching to notify the user of an update being available, with the possibility of carrying out the update there and then, or refusing. A succession of dialog boxes guides the user through the updating process and shows progress. The update somehow bypasses the normal installation process, accepts existing license data, and simply replaces the app. If the app has a document open, then the new copy of the app re-opens it.

I was about to embark on coding all this in LC for an app that runs on Mac and PC desktops, when I realised that there are third-party tools out there that do it for you. At this stage I have not at all looked at the API of these things, or indeed checked if any of them are cross-platform. Before I go down one or more of these rabbit holes, I?d like to know if anyone on this list is already using one or more of these tools, and can give any guidance, including what to avoid, gotchas etc.

TIA for any input.

Graham


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 22 06:38:58 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 05:38:58 -0600
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHg3tG-hWx1mvDBNMnMzrTDt7pkCwe7L7HVT-Jk4Avc9fZNk-g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:20 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It occurs to me that this isn't as much of a problem as I thought -- any
> button being converted to a stack is highly unlikely to have an openstack
> handler already in it, and therefore it would be safe to add one and
> include setting the behavior of the script-only stack to the appropriate
> stack up the chain. If there were already an openstack handler in the
> chain, then the conversion process could stop at that point, or perhaps log
> the error to the user. Unless I'm missing something?


Geoff,

Keep in mind that script only stacks that are loaded into memory by the
engine because they are referenced in the stackfiles of another stack won?t
be sent any messages.

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18223

You have to complete the behavior chain in the openStack handler of the
stack that is being opened. I think in your case you would process the
openStack message in the stack you are setting the stackFiles on.

Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

>


From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jan 22 08:30:18 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:30:18 +0000
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 113
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq8QAuWXpOzMEiMszhi85q6EGeL6Q6mOm7X4vDG-vofnqg@mail.gmail.com>

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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 22 09:10:21 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:10:21 -0500
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
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Geoff,
Since Trevor didn't answer the Levure question,
The way he suggested structuring the projects was putting the ui elements
and their behaviors into /ui/stackName (and then the behaviors for that
stack into /ui/stackName/behaviors/).  As for naming the stacks,
Scriptifier does it one (long) way in an attempt to make all the names
unique.  Trevor had suggested objectType<sp>objectName<sp>"behavior", but
of course there is no reason why you would would have to be held to that.

It's not that you can't have scripts all over the Levure project, because
you will with libraries, components, etc. but those aren't the major PITA,
and that isn't what you're trying to address with Navigator.

SO, if I was going to convert a stack automagically, I would want to
1) make a copy of the stackfile, placing it in the /ui/stackname folder and
work on the copy
2) pull the various behaviors and put them in the /ui/stackfile/behaviors
folder
>From there, we can argue a lot about the structure of the behaviors
folder.  On the one hand, if you keep everything in there together, then
you can kind-of use the names to keep everything straight, because as long
as you don't change the names of the SOS's, it doesn't matter if you move
the objects they are tied to from one card to another.  It's just that the
/behaviors folder can become the storage for hundreds of SOS's.  On the
other, it might be good to give the developer an option to have subfolders
for each card, but as soon as they move an object from one card to another
you have a gigantic mess of the developer wanting the SOS's to move, but
that will break the references, etc.

I'm glad you're working on this!  Now I can stop thinking about working on
it and go do something else.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:38 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:20 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > It occurs to me that this isn't as much of a problem as I thought -- any
> > button being converted to a stack is highly unlikely to have an openstack
> > handler already in it, and therefore it would be safe to add one and
> > include setting the behavior of the script-only stack to the appropriate
> > stack up the chain. If there were already an openstack handler in the
> > chain, then the conversion process could stop at that point, or perhaps
> log
> > the error to the user. Unless I'm missing something?
>
>
> Geoff,
>
> Keep in mind that script only stacks that are loaded into memory by the
> engine because they are referenced in the stackfiles of another stack won?t
> be sent any messages.
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18223
>
> You have to complete the behavior chain in the openStack handler of the
> stack that is being opened. I think in your case you would process the
> openStack message in the stack you are setting the stackFiles on.
>
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
>
> >
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 22 10:06:11 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 09:06:11 -0600
Subject: Anyone using a third-party update tool for LC-originated desktop
	apps?
In-Reply-To: <3BE53860-CE30-4104-A553-4C9B53931CB6@mac.com>
References: <3BE53860-CE30-4104-A553-4C9B53931CB6@mac.com>
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On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 5:04 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Nowadays it?s customary for quite modest apps after launching to notify
> the user of an update being available, with the possibility of carrying out
> the update there and then, or refusing. A succession of dialog boxes guides
> the user through the updating process and shows progress. The update
> somehow bypasses the normal installation process, accepts existing license
> data, and simply replaces the app. If the app has a document open, then the
> new copy of the app re-opens it.


Graham,

There are a lot of different approaches to this in the community. Here is
my take on it. Currently I'm using the code in the following repository for
automated updates. It is a Helper that I use with the Levure framework and
I haven't documented it at all.

https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-app_updater

It is a combination of Sparkle for macOS (Monte wrapped this up in an
external for me) and LCS for Windows that I've been using over the years.
Both macOS and Windows download an entirely new application. On macOS the
app is zipped up and Sparkle downloads the zip archive, unzips it, and
installs it. If the update requires authentication that is handled. On
Windows the updater just downloads the Windows installer executable that is
used for installing the app for the first time. This is an installer built
using Inno Setup which will prompt the user for administrative permissions
if need be.

I prefer to replace the entire application when I do updates. My apps are
installed in a number of different environments. I would often get reports
of problems when trying to update the app in pieces inside of corporations.
Plus if you don't update the exe on Windows then the version number of your
app won't be reported properly in the File Properties dialog. When I
switched to downloading and running a full installer on Windows the reports
of issues after running the updater dropped to 0.

In my ideal world the Windows side would use WinSparkle as it would be nice
to leverage the work of a 3rd party. I like using code that is being tested
by a lot of other people and which is entirely focused on automatic
updates. I didn't want to create an external around it, however, so I've
been waiting for the LCB to DLL interface in the engine to mature. I
imagine WinSparkle could probably be wrapped using LCB now.

https://winsparkle.org

I would like to see the LC community have a standard automatic update
solution available that is easy to use and is very reliable in all
environments. To me it makes the most sense to leverage the work done by
others who are focused on automatic update.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 10:16:53 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 07:16:53 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
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That's disappointing.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 3:38 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>
> Keep in mind that script only stacks that are loaded into memory by the
> engine because they are referenced in the stackfiles of another stack won?t
> be sent any messages.
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18223
>
> You have to complete the behavior chain in the openStack handler of the
> stack that is being opened. I think in your case you would process the
> openStack message in the stack you are setting the stackFiles on.


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 10:28:23 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 07:28:23 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
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I'm leaving the "make a copy" step to the user (with a stern warning to do
so).

I'm using the stack name, the control type, the control name, the control
id, and "Behavior" as the SoS name, something like:

SoS_Test_Thing_2_button_Behavior_Source_1011_Behavior

I think that alone guarantees uniqueness, but I'm also tracking:

1. The file names already in the folder
2. All open stack names
3. All created stacks as I do the conversion

And if there is ever a collision, I use an indexing function to avoid it,
adding a 2, 3, 4, etc. if necessary. So I'm pretty confident there will be
no collisions.

The user gets to select which controls to convert, so apart from the fact
that it's not trivial to select only controls with a behavior, I'm calling
it done for now on that front. There used to be a setting in Navigator to
show only objects with scripts, but (in the UI at least) that seems to have
gone away at some point. There is the filter command, and this works just
fine to show only objects with scripts or behaviors in the list:

the behavior of tID is not empty or the script of tID is not empty

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Geoff,
> Since Trevor didn't answer the Levure question,
> The way he suggested structuring the projects was putting the ui elements
> and their behaviors into /ui/stackName (and then the behaviors for that
> stack into /ui/stackName/behaviors/).  As for naming the stacks,
> Scriptifier does it one (long) way in an attempt to make all the names
> unique.  Trevor had suggested objectType<sp>objectName<sp>"behavior", but
> of course there is no reason why you would would have to be held to that.
>
> It's not that you can't have scripts all over the Levure project, because
> you will with libraries, components, etc. but those aren't the major PITA,
> and that isn't what you're trying to address with Navigator.
>
> SO, if I was going to convert a stack automagically, I would want to
> 1) make a copy of the stackfile, placing it in the /ui/stackname folder and
> work on the copy
> 2) pull the various behaviors and put them in the /ui/stackfile/behaviors
> folder
> From there, we can argue a lot about the structure of the behaviors
> folder.  On the one hand, if you keep everything in there together, then
> you can kind-of use the names to keep everything straight, because as long
> as you don't change the names of the SOS's, it doesn't matter if you move
> the objects they are tied to from one card to another.  It's just that the
> /behaviors folder can become the storage for hundreds of SOS's.  On the
> other, it might be good to give the developer an option to have subfolders
> for each card, but as soon as they move an object from one card to another
> you have a gigantic mess of the developer wanting the SOS's to move, but
> that will break the references, etc.
>
> I'm glad you're working on this!  Now I can stop thinking about working on
> it and go do something else.
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:38 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:20 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It occurs to me that this isn't as much of a problem as I thought --
> any
> > > button being converted to a stack is highly unlikely to have an
> openstack
> > > handler already in it, and therefore it would be safe to add one and
> > > include setting the behavior of the script-only stack to the
> appropriate
> > > stack up the chain. If there were already an openstack handler in the
> > > chain, then the conversion process could stop at that point, or perhaps
> > log
> > > the error to the user. Unless I'm missing something?
> >
> >
> > Geoff,
> >
> > Keep in mind that script only stacks that are loaded into memory by the
> > engine because they are referenced in the stackfiles of another stack
> won?t
> > be sent any messages.
> >
> > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18223
> >
> > You have to complete the behavior chain in the openStack handler of the
> > stack that is being opened. I think in your case you would process the
> > openStack message in the stack you are setting the stackFiles on.
> >
> > Trevor DeVore
> > ScreenSteps
> >
> > >
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> >
>
>
>
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 22 10:41:42 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 10:41:42 -0500
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
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One of the things I was going to add to Scriptifier that it would be cool
to have in Navigator is giving the user the option to change the naming
convention/template, so for instance if I want spaces instead of
underscores or I want to change the order of the components of the name I
can.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I'm leaving the "make a copy" step to the user (with a stern warning to do
> so).
>
> I'm using the stack name, the control type, the control name, the control
> id, and "Behavior" as the SoS name, something like:
>
> SoS_Test_Thing_2_button_Behavior_Source_1011_Behavior
>
> I think that alone guarantees uniqueness, but I'm also tracking:
>
> 1. The file names already in the folder
> 2. All open stack names
> 3. All created stacks as I do the conversion
>
> And if there is ever a collision, I use an indexing function to avoid it,
> adding a 2, 3, 4, etc. if necessary. So I'm pretty confident there will be
> no collisions.
>
> The user gets to select which controls to convert, so apart from the fact
> that it's not trivial to select only controls with a behavior, I'm calling
> it done for now on that front. There used to be a setting in Navigator to
> show only objects with scripts, but (in the UI at least) that seems to have
> gone away at some point. There is the filter command, and this works just
> fine to show only objects with scripts or behaviors in the list:
>
> the behavior of tID is not empty or the script of tID is not empty
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Geoff,
> > Since Trevor didn't answer the Levure question,
> > The way he suggested structuring the projects was putting the ui elements
> > and their behaviors into /ui/stackName (and then the behaviors for that
> > stack into /ui/stackName/behaviors/).  As for naming the stacks,
> > Scriptifier does it one (long) way in an attempt to make all the names
> > unique.  Trevor had suggested objectType<sp>objectName<sp>"behavior",
> but
> > of course there is no reason why you would would have to be held to that.
> >
> > It's not that you can't have scripts all over the Levure project, because
> > you will with libraries, components, etc. but those aren't the major
> PITA,
> > and that isn't what you're trying to address with Navigator.
> >
> > SO, if I was going to convert a stack automagically, I would want to
> > 1) make a copy of the stackfile, placing it in the /ui/stackname folder
> and
> > work on the copy
> > 2) pull the various behaviors and put them in the /ui/stackfile/behaviors
> > folder
> > From there, we can argue a lot about the structure of the behaviors
> > folder.  On the one hand, if you keep everything in there together, then
> > you can kind-of use the names to keep everything straight, because as
> long
> > as you don't change the names of the SOS's, it doesn't matter if you move
> > the objects they are tied to from one card to another.  It's just that
> the
> > /behaviors folder can become the storage for hundreds of SOS's.  On the
> > other, it might be good to give the developer an option to have
> subfolders
> > for each card, but as soon as they move an object from one card to
> another
> > you have a gigantic mess of the developer wanting the SOS's to move, but
> > that will break the references, etc.
> >
> > I'm glad you're working on this!  Now I can stop thinking about working
> on
> > it and go do something else.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:38 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:20 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It occurs to me that this isn't as much of a problem as I thought --
> > any
> > > > button being converted to a stack is highly unlikely to have an
> > openstack
> > > > handler already in it, and therefore it would be safe to add one and
> > > > include setting the behavior of the script-only stack to the
> > appropriate
> > > > stack up the chain. If there were already an openstack handler in the
> > > > chain, then the conversion process could stop at that point, or
> perhaps
> > > log
> > > > the error to the user. Unless I'm missing something?
> > >
> > >
> > > Geoff,
> > >
> > > Keep in mind that script only stacks that are loaded into memory by the
> > > engine because they are referenced in the stackfiles of another stack
> > won?t
> > > be sent any messages.
> > >
> > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18223
> > >
> > > You have to complete the behavior chain in the openStack handler of the
> > > stack that is being opened. I think in your case you would process the
> > > openStack message in the stack you are setting the stackFiles on.
> > >
> > > Trevor DeVore
> > > ScreenSteps
> > >
> > > >
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> >
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> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 11:13:48 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 08:13:48 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
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I definitely considered that, but I put it off for 2.0.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 7:41 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> One of the things I was going to add to Scriptifier that it would be cool
> to have in Navigator is giving the user the option to change the naming
> convention/template, so for instance if I want spaces instead of
> underscores or I want to change the order of the components of the name I
> can.
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm leaving the "make a copy" step to the user (with a stern warning to
> do
> > so).
> >
> > I'm using the stack name, the control type, the control name, the control
> > id, and "Behavior" as the SoS name, something like:
> >
> > SoS_Test_Thing_2_button_Behavior_Source_1011_Behavior
> >
> > I think that alone guarantees uniqueness, but I'm also tracking:
> >
> > 1. The file names already in the folder
> > 2. All open stack names
> > 3. All created stacks as I do the conversion
> >
> > And if there is ever a collision, I use an indexing function to avoid it,
> > adding a 2, 3, 4, etc. if necessary. So I'm pretty confident there will
> be
> > no collisions.
> >
> > The user gets to select which controls to convert, so apart from the fact
> > that it's not trivial to select only controls with a behavior, I'm
> calling
> > it done for now on that front. There used to be a setting in Navigator to
> > show only objects with scripts, but (in the UI at least) that seems to
> have
> > gone away at some point. There is the filter command, and this works just
> > fine to show only objects with scripts or behaviors in the list:
> >
> > the behavior of tID is not empty or the script of tID is not empty
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Geoff,
> > > Since Trevor didn't answer the Levure question,
> > > The way he suggested structuring the projects was putting the ui
> elements
> > > and their behaviors into /ui/stackName (and then the behaviors for that
> > > stack into /ui/stackName/behaviors/).  As for naming the stacks,
> > > Scriptifier does it one (long) way in an attempt to make all the names
> > > unique.  Trevor had suggested objectType<sp>objectName<sp>"behavior",
> > but
> > > of course there is no reason why you would would have to be held to
> that.
> > >
> > > It's not that you can't have scripts all over the Levure project,
> because
> > > you will with libraries, components, etc. but those aren't the major
> > PITA,
> > > and that isn't what you're trying to address with Navigator.
> > >
> > > SO, if I was going to convert a stack automagically, I would want to
> > > 1) make a copy of the stackfile, placing it in the /ui/stackname folder
> > and
> > > work on the copy
> > > 2) pull the various behaviors and put them in the
> /ui/stackfile/behaviors
> > > folder
> > > From there, we can argue a lot about the structure of the behaviors
> > > folder.  On the one hand, if you keep everything in there together,
> then
> > > you can kind-of use the names to keep everything straight, because as
> > long
> > > as you don't change the names of the SOS's, it doesn't matter if you
> move
> > > the objects they are tied to from one card to another.  It's just that
> > the
> > > /behaviors folder can become the storage for hundreds of SOS's.  On the
> > > other, it might be good to give the developer an option to have
> > subfolders
> > > for each card, but as soon as they move an object from one card to
> > another
> > > you have a gigantic mess of the developer wanting the SOS's to move,
> but
> > > that will break the references, etc.
> > >
> > > I'm glad you're working on this!  Now I can stop thinking about working
> > on
> > > it and go do something else.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:38 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:20 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It occurs to me that this isn't as much of a problem as I thought
> --
> > > any
> > > > > button being converted to a stack is highly unlikely to have an
> > > openstack
> > > > > handler already in it, and therefore it would be safe to add one
> and
> > > > > include setting the behavior of the script-only stack to the
> > > appropriate
> > > > > stack up the chain. If there were already an openstack handler in
> the
> > > > > chain, then the conversion process could stop at that point, or
> > perhaps
> > > > log
> > > > > the error to the user. Unless I'm missing something?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Geoff,
> > > >
> > > > Keep in mind that script only stacks that are loaded into memory by
> the
> > > > engine because they are referenced in the stackfiles of another stack
> > > won?t
> > > > be sent any messages.
> > > >
> > > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18223
> > > >
> > > > You have to complete the behavior chain in the openStack handler of
> the
> > > > stack that is being opened. I think in your case you would process
> the
> > > > openStack message in the stack you are setting the stackFiles on.
> > > >
> > > > Trevor DeVore
> > > > ScreenSteps
> > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >    and did a little diving.
> > > And God said, "This is good."
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> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Jan 22 12:32:04 2018
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 18:32:04 +0100
Subject: Anyone using a third-party update tool for LC-originated desktop
	apps?
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG88OjMFtZvcs2EQTbS=dBmPXnYr8MK2L1kf7S3vYD4-1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3BE53860-CE30-4104-A553-4C9B53931CB6@mac.com>
	<CAHg3tG88OjMFtZvcs2EQTbS=dBmPXnYr8MK2L1kf7S3vYD4-1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3858256-87C5-49C6-BBBD-4393F27D68B2@mac.com>

Trevor, this is great stuff! I will now study it very carefully. I absolutely agree that there should be some kind of standard solution offered to LC developers. I?ve been saying for a long time that deployment is really the big issue for developers who have signed up to, and wish to depend on, LiveCode. Other topics under this heading include:

- code signing;
- installer production
- uninstallers to get rid of hidden files (neither the Mac nor the Windows built-in uninstall processes do a good job, not sure about mobile)
- workaround advice for users faced with aggressive anti-malware software that threatens to reject anything new
- uploading to servers using FTP clients

I?ve had to tackle all these, and I know there?s more, for example submission to the various app stores out there..

Anyway I?m about to start another chapter of my education!

Thanks again

Graham



> On 22 Jan 2018, at 16:06, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 5:04 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Nowadays it?s customary for quite modest apps after launching to notify
>> the user of an update being available, with the possibility of carrying out
>> the update there and then, or refusing. A succession of dialog boxes guides
>> the user through the updating process and shows progress. The update
>> somehow bypasses the normal installation process, accepts existing license
>> data, and simply replaces the app. If the app has a document open, then the
>> new copy of the app re-opens it.
> 
> 
> Graham,
> 
> There are a lot of different approaches to this in the community. Here is
> my take on it. Currently I'm using the code in the following repository for
> automated updates. It is a Helper that I use with the Levure framework and
> I haven't documented it at all.
> 
> https://github.com/trevordevore/levurehelper-app_updater
> 
> It is a combination of Sparkle for macOS (Monte wrapped this up in an
> external for me) and LCS for Windows that I've been using over the years.
> Both macOS and Windows download an entirely new application. On macOS the
> app is zipped up and Sparkle downloads the zip archive, unzips it, and
> installs it. If the update requires authentication that is handled. On
> Windows the updater just downloads the Windows installer executable that is
> used for installing the app for the first time. This is an installer built
> using Inno Setup which will prompt the user for administrative permissions
> if need be.
> 
> I prefer to replace the entire application when I do updates. My apps are
> installed in a number of different environments. I would often get reports
> of problems when trying to update the app in pieces inside of corporations.
> Plus if you don't update the exe on Windows then the version number of your
> app won't be reported properly in the File Properties dialog. When I
> switched to downloading and running a full installer on Windows the reports
> of issues after running the updater dropped to 0.
> 
> In my ideal world the Windows side would use WinSparkle as it would be nice
> to leverage the work of a 3rd party. I like using code that is being tested
> by a lot of other people and which is entirely focused on automatic
> updates. I didn't want to create an external around it, however, so I've
> been waiting for the LCB to DLL interface in the engine to mature. I
> imagine WinSparkle could probably be wrapped using LCB now.
> 
> https://winsparkle.org
> 
> I would like to see the LC community have a standard automatic update
> solution available that is easy to use and is very reliable in all
> environments. To me it makes the most sense to leverage the work done by
> others who are focused on automatic update.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
> www.screensteps.com
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 13:28:52 2018
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 10:28:52 -0800
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycN3=kBSWnkpACbO5w_azJ5oAX5a8iJJk=615mdNqdjJmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> The way he suggested structuring the projects was putting the ui elements
> and their behaviors into /ui/stackName (and then the behaviors for that
> stack into /ui/stackName/behaviors/).


How about something similar to the unix convention of  indicating the shell
to use in the first line of a text executable (e.g., #!/bin/tcsh ) as a
comment?

so the first line starting with, perhaps, "--#" would indicate that  what
follows is an expression which evaluates to a button or other stack that is
to be the behavior of the stack?

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 22 14:27:43 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 14:27:43 -0500
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
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@Geoff, well, then my work here is done!
@Dr Hawk, do you mean in general?  That would require a change in LC, too,
and if we were going to do that, then I'd want it to be more LC-like,
perhaps with a handler.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > The way he suggested structuring the projects was putting the ui elements
> > and their behaviors into /ui/stackName (and then the behaviors for that
> > stack into /ui/stackName/behaviors/).
>
>
> How about something similar to the unix convention of  indicating the shell
> to use in the first line of a text executable (e.g., #!/bin/tcsh ) as a
> comment?
>
> so the first line starting with, perhaps, "--#" would indicate that  what
> follows is an expression which evaluates to a button or other stack that is
> to be the behavior of the stack?
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 22 14:42:13 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:42:13 -0600
Subject: Anyone using a third-party update tool for LC-originated desktop
	apps?
In-Reply-To: <A3858256-87C5-49C6-BBBD-4393F27D68B2@mac.com>
References: <3BE53860-CE30-4104-A553-4C9B53931CB6@mac.com>
	<CAHg3tG88OjMFtZvcs2EQTbS=dBmPXnYr8MK2L1kf7S3vYD4-1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A3858256-87C5-49C6-BBBD-4393F27D68B2@mac.com>
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On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Trevor, this is great stuff! I will now study it very carefully. I
> absolutely agree that there should be some kind of standard solution
> offered to LC developers. I?ve been saying for a long time that deployment
> is really the big issue for developers who have signed up to, and wish to
> depend on, LiveCode.


Yes, deployment can be quite time consuming if you don't have an automated
process. For my uses cases Levure makes the process rather straight forward.


> Other topics under this heading include:
>
> - code signing;
>

Levure will take care of this on macOS (assuming you have your signing
certificate installed).


> - installer production
>

Levure has Helpers for DropDMG and Inno Setup. It can package up for the
Apple Store out of the box. When building on macOS a DMG can be created
using DropDMG. A file that can be loaded into Inno Setup can be created as
well. Inno Setup will sign your application when building the installer
(assuming you have your signing certificate installed on your Windows
machine).

https://github.com/trevordevore/levure/wiki/Building-Installers


> - uninstallers to get rid of hidden files (neither the Mac nor the Windows
> built-in uninstall processes do a good job, not sure about mobile)
>

Personally I don't worry about this on macOS. On Windows the uninstaller
create by Inno Setup can remove any files you specify in the Inno Setup
configuration file.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 15:20:38 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:20:38 -0800
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any reason script-only stacks had to be implemented in the engine?

Is there any reason *not* to implement their equivalent in about five lines
of code in the mainstack of a project? i.e.,

on loadTextStack tFilePath
    put url ("file:/" & tFilePath) into tStackData
    put line 1 of tStackData into tStackName
    create invisible stack tStackName
    set the script of stack tStackName to line 2 to -1 of tStackData
    send "openStack" to stack tStackName
end loadTextStack

This would immediately fix the issue of chained behaviors, and allow for
the incremental implementation of a far richer format for text-based stack
storage, leading to gains in project-definition source control.

Given that Bug 10275 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10275> is
over five years and several versions old, am I barking up a tree with this,
or making sense?

with no clue,

Geoff


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 22 15:47:36 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 14:47:36 -0600
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_Cw0+iV9Hz65T7LDMJz6g+D7_hD=gbqF+JswWJbtbEzQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Is there any reason script-only stacks had to be implemented in the engine?
>

It is nice that you can store the scripts for controls in a UI stack
alongside of the ui stack file. You just set the stackfiles property of the
UI stack and then opening the UI stack opens up all of the behavior stacks
that the UI stack requires without any extra effort on the part of the
developer.


> Is there any reason *not* to implement their equivalent in about five lines
> of code in the mainstack of a project? i.e.,


For some cases dispatching a message can be useful. I don't think I would
use `openStack`, however, as that doesn't describe the event that is
occurring. You are just loading the stack into memory. A script only stack
can create a UI and may expect the `openStack` message to be dispatched at
the proper time and in the proper sequence relative to other messages that
are sent when actually opening a stack.

I wouldn't load all of my script only stacks that way, however. I use
script only stacks in a variety of ways. For libraryStacks they already get
a `libraryStack` message. If I'm using them as behaviors for controls in a
UI stack then they are automatically loaded by the engine for me as
described above. In the majority of cases that doesn't require any extra
work. In the Levure framework you can specify that a stack file will be use
specifically as a behavior. In the case Levure will dispatch a
`LoadBehavior` message to the stack and it can assign itself a behavior.

My preference is for the ability to set a script only stack behavior in the
script only stack itself.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com


From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jan 22 15:56:40 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:56:40 +0000
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4083FA34-312A-469A-8E15-64C5C1AEBAF0@hindu.org>

Not barking up the wrong tree at all, with multi-stack apps very much in the wind?a subject of interest indeed. Agreed with Igor, (ala bug 10275_) not having and a RCS for the binary stacks themselves is a nuisance. But your 5 liner doesn't solve that either.

But how does creating a stack and setting it's script to a text file different from adding a stack to your framework and then setting the behavior of that stack to the text only script?  

Or put another way, what advantage would it have over the behavior of the stack?  And since your newly created stack has no controls, those would all need to be created by script and this is exactly what LiveCode provides: WSIWG layout environment (albeit needs a lot of work to get to 2018 standards ) 

A case can be made for treating the binary stacks as a "view" Typically there is a split in the team between design and code. This is also happening universally where designers are doing UI/UX prototypes in InVision Or Zeplin.. (no code)  and push these over to the code team. 

We have such stacks in the SivaSivaApp. where there is almost no code in the stack at all. We use "the target" ?in the text only behavior stacks? this is working pretty well as once the eye candy and UX is locked in, we are not touching that too much, if anyone is, it's usually just one person, so pulling and pushing the binary from GIT is not that big a deal? conflict wise? of course if some others on the team *do* want to touch the UI, then it gets messy

BR

On 1/22/18, 10:21 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Geoff Canyon via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    Is there any reason script-only stacks had to be implemented in the engine?
    
    Is there any reason *not* to implement their equivalent in about five lines
    of code in the mainstack of a project? i.e.,
    
    on loadTextStack tFilePath
        put url ("file:/" & tFilePath) into tStackData
        put line 1 of tStackData into tStackName
        create invisible stack tStackName
        set the script of stack tStackName to line 2 to -1 of tStackData
        send "openStack" to stack tStackName
    end loadTextStack
    
    This would immediately fix the issue of chained behaviors, and allow for
    the incremental implementation of a far richer format for text-based stack
    storage, leading to gains in project-definition source control.
    
    Given that Bug 10275 <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10275> is
    over five years and several versions old, am I barking up a tree with this,
    or making sense?
    
    with no clue,
    
    Geoff


From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jan 22 16:14:42 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 21:14:42 +0000
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOVx86ArUKDWGF4Xrk0fc-O9wX-GCM3TiMxA=ZvPye07w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-hWx1mvDBNMnMzrTDt7pkCwe7L7HVT-Jk4Avc9fZNk-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN3=kBSWnkpACbO5w_azJ5oAX5a8iJJk=615mdNqdjJmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGFoX551Wdu1VhNn++LQ1K+s3dN7oBeGWNuV8j7CNhX2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOVx86ArUKDWGF4Xrk0fc-O9wX-GCM3TiMxA=ZvPye07w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRa-MSeTPBaQOnizU-3v9a2BA7QE-RJYqX0pJpgbMMBD9Q@mail.gmail.com>

First line comment is not legal for script only stacks.
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:29 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> @Geoff, well, then my work here is done!
> @Dr Hawk, do you mean in general?  That would require a change in LC, too,
> and if we were going to do that, then I'd want it to be more LC-like,
> perhaps with a handler.
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The way he suggested structuring the projects was putting the ui
> elements
> > > and their behaviors into /ui/stackName (and then the behaviors for that
> > > stack into /ui/stackName/behaviors/).
> >
> >
> > How about something similar to the unix convention of  indicating the
> shell
> > to use in the first line of a text executable (e.g., #!/bin/tcsh ) as a
> > comment?
> >
> > so the first line starting with, perhaps, "--#" would indicate that  what
> > follows is an expression which evaluates to a button or other stack that
> is
> > to be the behavior of the stack?
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> > (702) 508-8462
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jan 22 16:22:59 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 21:22:59 +0000
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRa-MSeTPBaQOnizU-3v9a2BA7QE-RJYqX0pJpgbMMBD9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-hWx1mvDBNMnMzrTDt7pkCwe7L7HVT-Jk4Avc9fZNk-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN3=kBSWnkpACbO5w_azJ5oAX5a8iJJk=615mdNqdjJmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGFoX551Wdu1VhNn++LQ1K+s3dN7oBeGWNuV8j7CNhX2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOVx86ArUKDWGF4Xrk0fc-O9wX-GCM3TiMxA=ZvPye07w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRa-MSeTPBaQOnizU-3v9a2BA7QE-RJYqX0pJpgbMMBD9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 To be more clear, after the BOM, the first word must be ?script? followed
by a space and the stack name. The code to skip comment lines is not in the
source for .livecodescript files. This was adjusted when opening files with
a BOM over the internet was fixed.
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 3:14 PM Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:

> First line comment is not legal for script only stacks.
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:29 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> @Geoff, well, then my work here is done!
>> @Dr Hawk, do you mean in general?  That would require a change in LC, too,
>> and if we were going to do that, then I'd want it to be more LC-like,
>> perhaps with a handler.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:10 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > The way he suggested structuring the projects was putting the ui
>> elements
>> > > and their behaviors into /ui/stackName (and then the behaviors for
>> that
>> > > stack into /ui/stackName/behaviors/).
>> >
>> >
>> > How about something similar to the unix convention of  indicating the
>> shell
>> > to use in the first line of a text executable (e.g., #!/bin/tcsh ) as a
>> > comment?
>> >
>> > so the first line starting with, perhaps, "--#" would indicate that
>> what
>> > follows is an expression which evaluates to a button or other stack
>> that is
>> > to be the behavior of the stack?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
>> > (702) 508-8462
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> > subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>    and did a little diving.
>> And God said, "This is good."
>> _______________________________________________
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jan 22 16:57:00 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 21:57:00 +0000
Subject: Switcheroo
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoUSEJ2KcqtnEDpka24Z9Uy3rTz=tjFinm3GfeC_uAdVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcdaa9e5-dd4b-06a7-baf1-67d90dc73da6@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoUSEJ2KcqtnEDpka24Z9Uy3rTz=tjFinm3GfeC_uAdVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16B2B6BF-7266-4300-895C-81D18A3431AF@iotecdigital.com>

Not a biggie but I like to simply add 1 to tCounter at the top of the loop

-- put 1 into tCounter (don't need this here)
repeat for each line tLine in field "mm
    add 1 to tCounter -- put it here instead. It creates the variable on the fly
    switch (tLine is empty)
...

Bob S


> On Jan 21, 2018, at 08:35 , Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> put 1 into tCounter
> repeat for each line tLine in field "mm
>     switch (tLine is empty)




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jan 22 16:58:26 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:58:26 -0800
Subject: more unicode than you want
Message-ID: <618be9e0-5759-5b1d-f3ad-48c5d8d20fea@sonic.net>

https://unicode-table.com/en/#control-character

I had no idea, for instance, there was a CJK character for sodomy.
Or a technical character for 'right angle with downwards zigzag arrow'

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jan 22 17:02:47 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:02:47 +0000
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E5621E4A-18A1-411F-857B-28443936B73C@iotecdigital.com>

A script only stack has no place to hold properties which is what setting behaviors uses to "remember". (correct me if I am wrong)

Bob S


> On Jan 20, 2018, at 16:43 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Well that's too bad for anyone who's currently using chained behaviors and
> wants to use source control (i.e. convert to script-only stacks).




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 22 17:33:33 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:33:33 -0500
Subject: Do script-only stacks support "chained" behaviors?
In-Reply-To: <E5621E4A-18A1-411F-857B-28443936B73C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E5621E4A-18A1-411F-857B-28443936B73C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOv16e3yet=Q3gQUOOKtGWrMpUfU5nmPeTNxVb=yH5VEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Brian,
That can of worms is why I was thinking that a handler similar to
"libraryStack" might be appropriate - like "behaviorStack"


On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> A script only stack has no place to hold properties which is what setting
> behaviors uses to "remember". (correct me if I am wrong)
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 20, 2018, at 16:43 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well that's too bad for anyone who's currently using chained behaviors
> and
> > wants to use source control (i.e. convert to script-only stacks).
>
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 22 17:44:26 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 17:44:26 -0500
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <4083FA34-312A-469A-8E15-64C5C1AEBAF0@hindu.org>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4083FA34-312A-469A-8E15-64C5C1AEBAF0@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPPxWO-XZMtqKeuK90qbWT6mr0FafroFhUP=VWgHvq7-w@mail.gmail.com>

We are starting to get a bit afield, but as long as we are, the issues with
the layout editor bring us to the same place as the issues with the script
editor:  Why exert so much effort on the editor instead of writing plugins
for third-party OSS editors, that have a much larger user base and
developers who are actively working on them (and designers developing
interface elements and themes)?

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 3:56 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Not barking up the wrong tree at all, with multi-stack apps very much in
> the wind?a subject of interest indeed. Agreed with Igor, (ala bug 10275_)
> not having and a RCS for the binary stacks themselves is a nuisance. But
> your 5 liner doesn't solve that either.
>
> But how does creating a stack and setting it's script to a text file
> different from adding a stack to your framework and then setting the
> behavior of that stack to the text only script?
>
> Or put another way, what advantage would it have over the behavior of the
> stack?  And since your newly created stack has no controls, those would all
> need to be created by script and this is exactly what LiveCode provides:
> WSIWG layout environment (albeit needs a lot of work to get to 2018
> standards )
>
> A case can be made for treating the binary stacks as a "view" Typically
> there is a split in the team between design and code. This is also
> happening universally where designers are doing UI/UX prototypes in
> InVision Or Zeplin.. (no code)  and push these over to the code team.
>
> We have such stacks in the SivaSivaApp. where there is almost no code in
> the stack at all. We use "the target" ?in the text only behavior stacks?
> this is working pretty well as once the eye candy and UX is locked in, we
> are not touching that too much, if anyone is, it's usually just one person,
> so pulling and pushing the binary from GIT is not that big a deal? conflict
> wise? of course if some others on the team *do* want to touch the UI, then
> it gets messy
>
> BR
>
> On 1/22/18, 10:21 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Geoff Canyon via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>     Is there any reason script-only stacks had to be implemented in the
> engine?
>
>     Is there any reason *not* to implement their equivalent in about five
> lines
>     of code in the mainstack of a project? i.e.,
>
>     on loadTextStack tFilePath
>         put url ("file:/" & tFilePath) into tStackData
>         put line 1 of tStackData into tStackName
>         create invisible stack tStackName
>         set the script of stack tStackName to line 2 to -1 of tStackData
>         send "openStack" to stack tStackName
>     end loadTextStack
>
>     This would immediately fix the issue of chained behaviors, and allow
> for
>     the incremental implementation of a far richer format for text-based
> stack
>     storage, leading to gains in project-definition source control.
>
>     Given that Bug 10275 <http://quality.livecode.com/
> show_bug.cgi?id=10275> is
>     over five years and several versions old, am I barking up a tree with
> this,
>     or making sense?
>
>     with no clue,
>
>     Geoff
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 18:24:27 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:24:27 -0800
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG_Cw0+iV9Hz65T7LDMJz6g+D7_hD=gbqF+JswWJbtbEzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_Cw0+iV9Hz65T7LDMJz6g+D7_hD=gbqF+JswWJbtbEzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtq6C-kriMOoqxGeLXre5kVH=30xj-8U0u8mcbNVRvhDxQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that having the ability to use stacks (script-only in particular)
for behaviors is nice -- it lets developers easily put all their code under
source control. But the implementation is flawed, as we've discussed,
because it doesn't support (native, transparent) chaining of behaviors, and
so is a feature-deficient replacement for button behaviors.

In looking at the bug for this -- which is a year and a half old -- I
thought of the idea that app layout could also be under version control if
it, too, had text-based alternative. There's a bug for (roughly) that --
and it is over five years old. So what I'm suggesting is that it seems
unlikely that either of these issues will be fixed in the engine anytime
soon, and further that it doesn't necessarily have to be an engine change
that addresses it.

The code library to make this happen would be almost trivial to write an
MVP for. A simple format (I'd suggest JSON, but newline support seems to be
an issue) would allow starting with a really basic definition, just enough
to support stacks with scripts and properties, which would get us the
equivalent of script-only stacks with chained behaviors. Beyond that it
would quickly be possible to include cards, groups, and controls, with many
(most?) properties, in external files, and voila, source control over the
interface for many projects.

I'm probably under-thinking the complexity, and overthinking the
possibility/need, but I definitely want a standardized way of handling
chained behaviors in source control, and I'd hate to wait another year and
a half to get that one thing.

And: yeah, openstack is a bad idea for the initialization message. It would
be much better to use a custom message -- behaviorStack?

gc

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Is there any reason script-only stacks had to be implemented in the
> engine?
> >
>
> It is nice that you can store the scripts for controls in a UI stack
> alongside of the ui stack file. You just set the stackfiles property of the
> UI stack and then opening the UI stack opens up all of the behavior stacks
> that the UI stack requires without any extra effort on the part of the
> developer.
>
>
> > Is there any reason *not* to implement their equivalent in about five
> lines
> > of code in the mainstack of a project? i.e.,
>
>
> For some cases dispatching a message can be useful. I don't think I would
> use `openStack`, however, as that doesn't describe the event that is
> occurring. You are just loading the stack into memory. A script only stack
> can create a UI and may expect the `openStack` message to be dispatched at
> the proper time and in the proper sequence relative to other messages that
> are sent when actually opening a stack.
>
> I wouldn't load all of my script only stacks that way, however. I use
> script only stacks in a variety of ways. For libraryStacks they already get
> a `libraryStack` message. If I'm using them as behaviors for controls in a
> UI stack then they are automatically loaded by the engine for me as
> described above. In the majority of cases that doesn't require any extra
> work. In the Levure framework you can specify that a stack file will be use
> specifically as a behavior. In the case Levure will dispatch a
> `LoadBehavior` message to the stack and it can assign itself a behavior.
>
> My preference is for the ability to set a script only stack behavior in the
> script only stack itself.
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
> www.screensteps.com
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 18:30:46 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:30:46 -0800
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <4083FA34-312A-469A-8E15-64C5C1AEBAF0@hindu.org>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah, the five-liner is intended only as a way of implementing script-only
stacks with behavior chaining in code rather than the engine (since that
doesn't seem forthcoming. It seem many people are doing something very like
this, at a basic level I'm just proposing that standardizing would be
useful. But the next step would be to support something more robust than
just "line 2 through -1 is the script of the stack". It wouldn't take much
to be able to put much more of a project into source control. But I agree
that there is far more need for the already-available source control of
scripts.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Not barking up the wrong tree at all, with multi-stack apps very much in
> the wind?a subject of interest indeed. Agreed with Igor, (ala bug 10275_)
> not having and a RCS for the binary stacks themselves is a nuisance. But
> your 5 liner doesn't solve that either.
>
> But how does creating a stack and setting it's script to a text file
> different from adding a stack to your framework and then setting the
> behavior of that stack to the text only script?
>
> Or put another way, what advantage would it have over the behavior of the
> stack?  And since your newly created stack has no controls, those would all
> need to be created by script and this is exactly what LiveCode provides:
> WSIWG layout environment (albeit needs a lot of work to get to 2018
> standards )
>
> A case can be made for treating the binary stacks as a "view" Typically
> there is a split in the team between design and code. This is also
> happening universally where designers are doing UI/UX prototypes in
> InVision Or Zeplin.. (no code)  and push these over to the code team.
>
> We have such stacks in the SivaSivaApp. where there is almost no code in
> the stack at all. We use "the target" ?in the text only behavior stacks?
> this is working pretty well as once the eye candy and UX is locked in, we
> are not touching that too much, if anyone is, it's usually just one person,
> so pulling and pushing the binary from GIT is not that big a deal? conflict
> wise? of course if some others on the team *do* want to touch the UI, then
> it gets messy
>
> BR
>
> On 1/22/18, 10:21 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Geoff Canyon via
> use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>     Is there any reason script-only stacks had to be implemented in the
> engine?
>
>     Is there any reason *not* to implement their equivalent in about five
> lines
>     of code in the mainstack of a project? i.e.,
>
>     on loadTextStack tFilePath
>         put url ("file:/" & tFilePath) into tStackData
>         put line 1 of tStackData into tStackName
>         create invisible stack tStackName
>         set the script of stack tStackName to line 2 to -1 of tStackData
>         send "openStack" to stack tStackName
>     end loadTextStack
>
>     This would immediately fix the issue of chained behaviors, and allow
> for
>     the incremental implementation of a far richer format for text-based
> stack
>     storage, leading to gains in project-definition source control.
>
>     Given that Bug 10275 <http://quality.livecode.com/
> show_bug.cgi?id=10275> is
>     over five years and several versions old, am I barking up a tree with
> this,
>     or making sense?
>
>     with no clue,
>
>     Geoff
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Jan 22 19:31:32 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 01:31:32 +0100
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
Message-ID: <10E30DBA-1BF7-4564-A638-BF2B8BDABA67@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

so this goes to the Linux experts on this list.

I have here an old Asus EeePC 1000H which currently runs with Windows XP and which is not used very often.
It has an Intel Atom N270 CPU, 1GB ram and a 160GB harddisk.

What Linux OS do you recommend for this machine? Best would be, if it could be used also with Livecode.
I am planning to give it away to someone here in the neighbourhood who just want to use it for some writing and ?Livecoding?.

What do you think?

Regards,
Matthias


From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 20:05:44 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:05:44 +0900
Subject: resizing and rescaling an object: Is this math/logic ok?
In-Reply-To: <14E485B2-45F5-47E9-B76C-333C60F82554@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGeTkxnhzNUfda0p6d_8PcMSsiyfgiZ4WuPeeOCJ6VSHfNKzFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01d39134$df42cbe0$9dc863a0$@net>
	<CA+yhkRYc2y34nvrHw94xieYkLS1W-0wUutCgihHZqepHkFM10w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14E485B2-45F5-47E9-B76C-333C60F82554@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxnLU6e-4+L=x90YkepOc5=HhWqY0-Ujmx-VvLY+DAiDBg@mail.gmail.com>

Brian Milby wrote:

The GM avoids the cumulative error problem by storing positioning as fixed
numbers in the GM custom properties.  It will either store absolute pixel
positions or relative % of card dimension positions.  Positions are based
on either a card edge or another control edge.  So for your situation, you
would want to calculate the offset % for each side and then just use the
new card dimensions to calculate the new control rect.

Took days to figures out and test but that worked! Thank you, Brian.

Thank you Brian too for your stack "MobileProfile", which I found on a
forum thread
<http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=30018&p=159472&hilit=full+screen+mobile#p159472>
when
searching for anything having to do with rescaling/resizing. That stack
(which is way over my head), besides a source of ideas for resizing, was
also my first introduction to "profiles".

BTW and OTT, Brian, about your use of "profiles" in that stack, I was
especially and idiotically mesmerized by how those three graphic objects
become not only repositioned but colored in when in landscape profile, as
oposed to transparent when in portrait profile. Not knowing diddly-squat
about "profiles", I thought I might use LC's "Find & replace" to find
somehow a refence (by object name or background color) to those three
graphic objects, and thereby hit upon the contents of your stack's
"profiles". But, like I say, diddly-squat. Perhaps a few pointers about
"profiles", especially how they're used in "MobileProfile", when you have a
few spare moments? Sorry to ask directly, but, as I say, how your stack
works seems magical to these eyes.

Anyway, thank you all for the help. Now, onto the other recaling problems,
such as text size.

--
Nicolas Cueto

On 20 January 2018 at 01:26, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> To demonstrate, the following formula:
>
> 5 * 3 * .5 * .66 = 4.95 (not 5)
>
> hence the need to store a base size and always work your math from that.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 19, 2018, at 07:53 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > The calculations that you are making are sound, but as Ralph said, after
> > repeated changes it may end up "off".
> >
> > The type of positioning that you are doing is one of the things that the
> > current Geometry Manager (GM) Property Inspector (PI) will not allow
> (when
> > you resize a control, the left/top can only be fixed to the card edge and
> > not proportional).  But, the method that the GM uses is helpful to know.
> >
> > The GM avoids the cumulative error problem by storing positioning as
> fixed
> > numbers in the GM custom properties.  It will either store absolute pixel
> > positions or relative % of card dimension positions.  Positions are based
> > on either a card edge or another control edge.  So for your situation,
> you
> > would want to calculate the offset % for each side and then just use the
> > new card dimensions to calculate the new control rect.
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jan 22 21:07:43 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 18:07:43 -0800
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <10E30DBA-1BF7-4564-A638-BF2B8BDABA67@m-r-d.de>
References: <10E30DBA-1BF7-4564-A638-BF2B8BDABA67@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <ef4b01e6-0ffa-7eec-4905-74af4e716fc5@sonic.net>

On 01/22/2018 04:31 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> so this goes to the Linux experts on this list.
> 
> I have here an old Asus EeePC 1000H which currently runs with Windows XP and which is not used very often.
> It has an Intel Atom N270 CPU, 1GB ram and a 160GB harddisk.
> 
> What Linux OS do you recommend for this machine? Best would be, if it could be used also with Livecode.
> I am planning to give it away to someone here in the neighbourhood who just want to use it for some writing and ?Livecoding?.
> 
> What do you think?

This is one of those religious questions.
Far be it from me to consider myself an 'expert', but...

The liner notes list four flavors of linux that are 'officially' 
supported. If you want to stay the most compatible with LiveCode I'd 
recommend going with Ubuntu 16 LTS. I supported Fedora at work until 
Gnome3 came along and messed up the desktop. I had some hiccups with 
LiveCode and Debian, which finally got resolved to a glibc version 
issue. But ask any three linux users and you'll get half a dozen 
different answers.

Be prepared to do some handholding. LiveCode and linux have a platonic 
relationship.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 22 22:13:13 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:13:13 -0500
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpBhD_zen6Gj0ppdaFTt225pzS5UGBfryuAuUtMu9N+=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4083FA34-312A-469A-8E15-64C5C1AEBAF0@hindu.org>
	<CAKCLKtpBhD_zen6Gj0ppdaFTt225pzS5UGBfryuAuUtMu9N+=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycORxQyAbJZVBNZThHbG8SBWG5_GRFq6hn6ew6Cfp3gaJA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think age of the QR means anything except someone was ahead of
their time.  If the mothership suddenly says "aha" then we get "aha"

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Yeah, the five-liner is intended only as a way of implementing script-only
> stacks with behavior chaining in code rather than the engine (since that
> doesn't seem forthcoming. It seem many people are doing something very like
> this, at a basic level I'm just proposing that standardizing would be
> useful. But the next step would be to support something more robust than
> just "line 2 through -1 is the script of the stack". It wouldn't take much
> to be able to put much more of a project into source control. But I agree
> that there is far more need for the already-available source control of
> scripts.
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 12:56 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
> use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Not barking up the wrong tree at all, with multi-stack apps very much in
> > the wind?a subject of interest indeed. Agreed with Igor, (ala bug 10275_)
> > not having and a RCS for the binary stacks themselves is a nuisance. But
> > your 5 liner doesn't solve that either.
> >
> > But how does creating a stack and setting it's script to a text file
> > different from adding a stack to your framework and then setting the
> > behavior of that stack to the text only script?
> >
> > Or put another way, what advantage would it have over the behavior of the
> > stack?  And since your newly created stack has no controls, those would
> all
> > need to be created by script and this is exactly what LiveCode provides:
> > WSIWG layout environment (albeit needs a lot of work to get to 2018
> > standards )
> >
> > A case can be made for treating the binary stacks as a "view" Typically
> > there is a split in the team between design and code. This is also
> > happening universally where designers are doing UI/UX prototypes in
> > InVision Or Zeplin.. (no code)  and push these over to the code team.
> >
> > We have such stacks in the SivaSivaApp. where there is almost no code in
> > the stack at all. We use "the target" ?in the text only behavior stacks?
> > this is working pretty well as once the eye candy and UX is locked in, we
> > are not touching that too much, if anyone is, it's usually just one
> person,
> > so pulling and pushing the binary from GIT is not that big a deal?
> conflict
> > wise? of course if some others on the team *do* want to touch the UI,
> then
> > it gets messy
> >
> > BR
> >
> > On 1/22/18, 10:21 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Geoff Canyon via
> > use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >     Is there any reason script-only stacks had to be implemented in the
> > engine?
> >
> >     Is there any reason *not* to implement their equivalent in about five
> > lines
> >     of code in the mainstack of a project? i.e.,
> >
> >     on loadTextStack tFilePath
> >         put url ("file:/" & tFilePath) into tStackData
> >         put line 1 of tStackData into tStackName
> >         create invisible stack tStackName
> >         set the script of stack tStackName to line 2 to -1 of tStackData
> >         send "openStack" to stack tStackName
> >     end loadTextStack
> >
> >     This would immediately fix the issue of chained behaviors, and allow
> > for
> >     the incremental implementation of a far richer format for text-based
> > stack
> >     storage, leading to gains in project-definition source control.
> >
> >     Given that Bug 10275 <http://quality.livecode.com/
> > show_bug.cgi?id=10275> is
> >     over five years and several versions old, am I barking up a tree with
> > this,
> >     or making sense?
> >
> >     with no clue,
> >
> >     Geoff
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> > subscription preferences:
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 22:22:34 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:22:34 +0900
Subject: The "Property Profile Pane" -- where's it gone to? -- or, should
	profiles be avoided completely?
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxmEd=jmwk_4aWL8D2V_0hhSRRPbkAHJiPf-PhQReqpFLA@mail.gmail.com>

Did not know until a week ago anything about the concept of LC profiles, as
in revSetCardProfile, revSetStackProfile, or revSetStackFileProfile.

So, looked at the LC doc and found this: "You create a profile for an
object, and give it a name, using the PROPERTY PROFILES PANE in the
object's PROPERTY INSPECTOR."

However, even with the example on the LC wiki of an image showing this pane
<http://livecode.wikia.com/wiki/Property_profile?file=Profile.png> ,
neither on Mac or Windows 8.1.8, and neither in the Property Inspector or
any other LC menu couId see anything called PROPERTY PROFILES PANE or
resembling what that image shows.

Then, searching the LC forum, in the thread Creating property profiles
<http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18904&p=95314&hilit=property+profiles+pane#p95314>
(2014.01.25),
Jacque wrote "The "create profiles automatically" option is in LIVECODE
PREFERENCE in the PROFILES PANE."

However, not only does Jacque's profile pane look nothing like the Wiki
image's, but the former only allows naming the "master profile" and has a
checkbox for "Create profiles automatically".

Is this a LC version problem? Or is it it simply that I don't know how to
work with profiles?

If the latter, I'd sure appreciate detailed examples of how to create a
couple of profiles, and then implement them.

On the other hand, in the LC forum thread Property Profiles and
revSetStackFileProfile
<http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5234&p=23573&hilit=property+profile#p23573>
(2010.04.23),
Klaus warns against using profiles and instead use CustomProperties and
CustomPropertySets. He even offers a sample stack
<http://www.major-k.de/staxx/cp-sets1.mc.zip> "CP-Sets1" (scroll down the
page) showing how that works.

So, my other question is, avoid profiles completely?

--
Nicolas Cueto


From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jan 22 23:58:01 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 04:58:01 +0000
Subject: The "Property Profile Pane" -- where's it gone to? -- or, should
	profiles be avoided completely?
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxmEd=jmwk_4aWL8D2V_0hhSRRPbkAHJiPf-PhQReqpFLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxmEd=jmwk_4aWL8D2V_0hhSRRPbkAHJiPf-PhQReqpFLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZbu-viOaG8GbrONQ9DF-v+6dcZD3nr2fk84U=tOmpUYw@mail.gmail.com>

I'll tackle a couple of your questions:
- The profile pane that Jacque was referring to is located in the LiveCode
preferences (currently labeled "Property Profiles")
- The profile pane displayed in the Wiki is part of the Property Inspector
and is not available in LC8/9.
- Currently, profiles have to be created via commands in code (I used the
message box)
- I would not suggest the use of profiles to change languages (much better
to use custom properties or some other method to take care of that).  This
is the point Klaus was making.
- If you think that the Geometry Manager will work for your stack, Profiles
seem to be a good option to take care of handling a different layout based
on mobile device orientation.  The "Mobile Profile" demo that I put
together shows how this can work.
- When working with anything that has the ability to reposition controls
automatically, I strongly suggest that backups are made often (and multiple
copies kept).  This is both for custom resize handlers and GM/PM.

Thanks,
Brian

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 9:22 PM Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Did not know until a week ago anything about the concept of LC profiles, as
> in revSetCardProfile, revSetStackProfile, or revSetStackFileProfile.
>
> So, looked at the LC doc and found this: "You create a profile for an
> object, and give it a name, using the PROPERTY PROFILES PANE in the
> object's PROPERTY INSPECTOR."
>
> However, even with the example on the LC wiki of an image showing this pane
> <http://livecode.wikia.com/wiki/Property_profile?file=Profile.png> ,
> neither on Mac or Windows 8.1.8, and neither in the Property Inspector or
> any other LC menu couId see anything called PROPERTY PROFILES PANE or
> resembling what that image shows.
>
> Then, searching the LC forum, in the thread Creating property profiles
> <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18904&p=95314&hilit=property+profiles+pane#p95314
> >
> (2014.01.25),
> Jacque wrote "The "create profiles automatically" option is in LIVECODE
> PREFERENCE in the PROFILES PANE."
>
> However, not only does Jacque's profile pane look nothing like the Wiki
> image's, but the former only allows naming the "master profile" and has a
> checkbox for "Create profiles automatically".
>
> Is this a LC version problem? Or is it it simply that I don't know how to
> work with profiles?
>
> If the latter, I'd sure appreciate detailed examples of how to create a
> couple of profiles, and then implement them.
>
> On the other hand, in the LC forum thread Property Profiles and
> revSetStackFileProfile
> <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5234&p=23573&hilit=property+profile#p23573
> >
> (2010.04.23),
> Klaus warns against using profiles and instead use CustomProperties and
> CustomPropertySets. He even offers a sample stack
> <http://www.major-k.de/staxx/cp-sets1.mc.zip> "CP-Sets1" (scroll down the
> page) showing how that works.
>
> So, my other question is, avoid profiles completely?
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 00:35:36 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:35:36 +0900
Subject: how to refer to a custom prop that is a multidimensional array
Message-ID: <CAGeTkx=yH1X_wiKMiOXW1XKzn78q1p3cHgQS=Mvi=tO130GqzA@mail.gmail.com>

My stack has a custom prop "cKweto" which has various elements. For now,
elements (arrays?) are single. But next I want to add multidimensional
elements (arrays?). The proble is I do not how to refer to those
multidimendional elements, say within a button script.

For single elements, no problem. E.g., a value (360) is returned when my
script has:

put the cKweto["height_landscape_default"] of this stack

But when I try ...
put the cKweto["landscape","height"] of this stack
... or
put the cKweto["landscape"]["height"] of this stack
.. no values are retrieved, even though I can see them in the Property
Inspector.

What should I be doing?

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jan 23 00:53:59 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 05:53:59 +0000
Subject: resizing and rescaling an object: Is this math/logic ok?
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxnLU6e-4+L=x90YkepOc5=HhWqY0-Ujmx-VvLY+DAiDBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxnhzNUfda0p6d_8PcMSsiyfgiZ4WuPeeOCJ6VSHfNKzFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01d39134$df42cbe0$9dc863a0$@net>
	<CA+yhkRYc2y34nvrHw94xieYkLS1W-0wUutCgihHZqepHkFM10w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14E485B2-45F5-47E9-B76C-333C60F82554@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAGeTkxnLU6e-4+L=x90YkepOc5=HhWqY0-Ujmx-VvLY+DAiDBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZxe=21aj92j-rnfTcOJ83WW1TpGNKM1P7LUoiN9QBCEQ@mail.gmail.com>

That stack was a demo/proof of concept that GM and PM could work on
Mobile.  Before LC9DP11, those script libraries were not available by
default when creating an app for iOS/Android.  The demo stack actually
includes the library code to make them work.  All of the movements/changes
to the controls is done via either GM or PM.  GM controlls the changes
based on the size of the device.  PM controlls the layout for the
orientation changes.

The default profile is "Master".  Even if you do rename it, the actual
property names will still refer to themselves as "Master" in the
background.  As long as the 2 globals are set properly, creating a new
profile is as simple as changing to it.  I will agree that working with
profiles in 8/9 are going to be much more difficult than in 7 since
everything has to be done via typed commands.

My demo has 3 profiles, but going forward I would not do it that way.  If
starting a new project, I would have the main aspect ratio that I wanted to
support retain the "Master" designation and only add one additional profile
for the other.  I would experiment with renaming the master profile.

Here was my general though process when setting up the demo.

First, I decided that I wanted it to work on a small iPhone.  I set my
stack up using those dimensions.  I placed all of the controls and used the
GM to make them resize/move as needed for other device sizes.  I always
(and only) saved the stack in the smallest configuration.  I was also sure
to save before doing any testing with resizing or switching/creating
profiles.

Make sure gRevAutoCreateProfiles is true and gRevProfileReadOnly is false
(these are global variables that control profile).

Issue "revSetCardProfile profileName" command to create/switch to a new
profile (assuming the stack you are working on is the top stack).  When you
first create the new card profile, all of the objects on the card will also
get the new profile.  If you add an object later, you may need to manually
add the profile to that object (for me it actually took several switches to
get it to "take")

At this point, any changes that you make to objects will be in the new
profile.  Switching back to master should take everything back to the way
it was before and will actually save the changes into the profile that you
left (assuming gRevProfileReadOnly is false).

I would also suggest reading the dictionary entries for everything in the
"profile library" association in LC9DP11.  Even if not using that version
to develop, some of those docs were tweaked for the DP11 release.

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 7:06 PM Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Brian Milby wrote:
>
> The GM avoids the cumulative error problem by storing positioning as fixed
> numbers in the GM custom properties.  It will either store absolute pixel
> positions or relative % of card dimension positions.  Positions are based
> on either a card edge or another control edge.  So for your situation, you
> would want to calculate the offset % for each side and then just use the
> new card dimensions to calculate the new control rect.
>
> Took days to figures out and test but that worked! Thank you, Brian.
>
> Thank you Brian too for your stack "MobileProfile", which I found on a
> forum thread
> <
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=30018&p=159472&hilit=full+screen+mobile#p159472
> >
> when
> searching for anything having to do with rescaling/resizing. That stack
> (which is way over my head), besides a source of ideas for resizing, was
> also my first introduction to "profiles".
>
> BTW and OTT, Brian, about your use of "profiles" in that stack, I was
> especially and idiotically mesmerized by how those three graphic objects
> become not only repositioned but colored in when in landscape profile, as
> oposed to transparent when in portrait profile. Not knowing diddly-squat
> about "profiles", I thought I might use LC's "Find & replace" to find
> somehow a refence (by object name or background color) to those three
> graphic objects, and thereby hit upon the contents of your stack's
> "profiles". But, like I say, diddly-squat. Perhaps a few pointers about
> "profiles", especially how they're used in "MobileProfile", when you have a
> few spare moments? Sorry to ask directly, but, as I say, how your stack
> works seems magical to these eyes.
>
> Anyway, thank you all for the help. Now, onto the other recaling problems,
> such as text size.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
>
> On 20 January 2018 at 01:26, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > To demonstrate, the following formula:
> >
> > 5 * 3 * .5 * .66 = 4.95 (not 5)
> >
> > hence the need to store a base size and always work your math from that.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 19, 2018, at 07:53 , Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > The calculations that you are making are sound, but as Ralph said,
> after
> > > repeated changes it may end up "off".
> > >
> > > The type of positioning that you are doing is one of the things that
> the
> > > current Geometry Manager (GM) Property Inspector (PI) will not allow
> > (when
> > > you resize a control, the left/top can only be fixed to the card edge
> and
> > > not proportional).  But, the method that the GM uses is helpful to
> know.
> > >
> > > The GM avoids the cumulative error problem by storing positioning as
> > fixed
> > > numbers in the GM custom properties.  It will either store absolute
> pixel
> > > positions or relative % of card dimension positions.  Positions are
> based
> > > on either a card edge or another control edge.  So for your situation,
> > you
> > > would want to calculate the offset % for each side and then just use
> the
> > > new card dimensions to calculate the new control rect.
> >
> >
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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jan 23 00:57:10 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 05:57:10 +0000
Subject: how to refer to a custom prop that is a multidimensional array
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkx=yH1X_wiKMiOXW1XKzn78q1p3cHgQS=Mvi=tO130GqzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=yH1X_wiKMiOXW1XKzn78q1p3cHgQS=Mvi=tO130GqzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaRr_JnQXLv9r8f1FRvzu8emVq_xbVgy-Ev-KVPBu+D-A@mail.gmail.com>

put the cKweto["landscape"] of this stack into sLandscape
put sLandscape["height"] into ...

I don't think you can retrieve array elements like you were trying to do.
If I'm wrong, someone more versed will surely correct me soon enough though
:)

Thanks,
Brian

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:36 PM Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> My stack has a custom prop "cKweto" which has various elements. For now,
> elements (arrays?) are single. But next I want to add multidimensional
> elements (arrays?). The proble is I do not how to refer to those
> multidimendional elements, say within a button script.
>
> For single elements, no problem. E.g., a value (360) is returned when my
> script has:
>
> put the cKweto["height_landscape_default"] of this stack
>
> But when I try ...
> put the cKweto["landscape","height"] of this stack
> ... or
> put the cKweto["landscape"]["height"] of this stack
> .. no values are retrieved, even though I can see them in the Property
> Inspector.
>
> What should I be doing?
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 23 02:07:09 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 23:07:09 -0800
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <ef4b01e6-0ffa-7eec-4905-74af4e716fc5@sonic.net>
References: <ef4b01e6-0ffa-7eec-4905-74af4e716fc5@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4e8ca179-d2af-b0ed-007b-fc0cc0212857@fourthworld.com>

Matthias Rebbe wrote:

 > I have here an old Asus EeePC 1000H which currently runs with Windows
 > XP and which is not used very often.
 > It has an Intel Atom N270 CPU, 1GB ram and a 160GB harddisk.
 >
 > What Linux OS do you recommend for this machine? Best would be, if it
 > could be used also with Livecode.

I like Ubuntu, and as the leading desktop Linux it's a good choice for 
the wide range of support materials available.

But the Atom N270 isn't exactly new, and it wasn't a serious workhorse 
when it premiered in '08.  I like the chip, and have a nettop in my 
office still running with it even now; it collates and processes the 
feeds shown in LiveNet (among many other things, including being one of 
my Nextcloud servers, remote backup manager, occasional UI stress 
tester, and more).

Old machines can be very useful, esp. with a power-miser chip like the 
Atom line.  But you'll want to consider relative performance when 
choosing a distro, looking for one with minimal graphics requirements 
and not very taxing on the CPU.

I did a lot of reading about low-resource Linux distros a while back 
when I first converted my N270 box from Windows to Linux, and again a 
couple years ago.

Bottom line: Lubuntu.

It's a lightweight flavor of Ubuntu designed specifically for modest 
hardware.  It uses a very lean window manager and desktop environment 
that's more Windows-like than Ubuntu's Unity UI may be consider 
Mac-like, but it's quite usable and very stable.

There's also Xubuntu, and outside of Ubuntu derivatives many others. 
But few can match Lubuntu's lean system requirements.

And it comes with an extra bonus for LiveCode folks: Both Alejandro and 
myself are experienced using LiveCode in Lubuntu, so if you run into any 
snags you have at least two more sources of support. :)

Have fun.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From hh at hyperhh.de  Tue Jan 23 02:10:05 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 08:10:05 +0100
Subject: how to refer to a custom prop that is a multidimensional array
Message-ID: <A0BC9F76-60B6-4124-B9C7-7070CD586073@hyperhh.de>

> N.C. wrote:
> What should I be doing?

There is a good tutorial
Step-By-Step Guides To Tasks In LiveCode - Custom Properties

http://lessons.livecode.com/m/4071/c/16763



From mark at livecode.com  Tue Jan 23 04:49:29 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:49:29 +0100
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-22 21:20, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> Is there any reason script-only stacks had to be implemented in the 
> engine?

Yes - otherwise direct stack references or 'stackfiles' indirected 
references wouldn't work. You'd need a binary 'launcher' stack for each 
script, which would then be a bane for version control (which would have 
defeated their purpose).

The reason script-only stacks came about was to solve a very real 
problem we had internally. Whilst we were working on 7, we were still 
evolving 6 as well. Every couple of months we needed to update the s/b 
scripts for iOS (due to SDK updates), and that was becoming a real PITA 
as it was too easy to lose changes in the binary stackfiles causing 
bugs, regressions and lots of headaches.

Now, as it turned out, the core iOS s/b scripts were just a script in a 
stack - i.e. a pure library - so I added a new serialization of a stack 
object which was just the text of the script and moved the library to 
the engine repository. That way, all changes merged generally merged 
cleanly - we only had to make the changes in the earliest version and 
then merge upwards.

An important thing to remember about script-only-stacks is that, 
morally, they are script objects - nothing more. The fact they are 
embodied as a stack object is an implementation detail (one which fits 
in well with the existing notion of library stacks - i.e. start using). 
Implementing them as a restricted storage form for stacks meant that no 
further infrastructure internally was needed.

i.e. There is a very good reason why the first line of SOS's is 'script 
<name>' and not 'stack <name>' :)

I do see general version control of UI elements as a very much a 
separate problem (and probably one far better done in LCS, rather than 
the engine - see Levure!).

In terms of behaviors, then they are another example of script objects - 
indeed, the object the script is attached to has little to do with any 
semantics of behaviors (although we did add 'this me', to allow resource 
resolution relative to the behavior object - I'd suggest not using it 
for anything else other than that ;)).

Now since the behavior of an object could be considered to be a property 
of the script of the object, and not the object itself (behaviors have 
no interaction at all with anything other than script concerns) it is 
entirely reasonable to propose to allow the behavior reference to be 
specified in the format of the SOS.

I'd propose the following:

   script <script-name> with behavior <behavior-name>

Where <behavior-name> is resolved as a stack reference.

The reason to restrict this to a stack reference here is that anything 
other than stack references do not work well with dVCS due to the need 
to use an id reference, and if you are using control scripts as 
behaviors you probably aren't going to get very far with dVCS usage 
anyway, which kinda negates the point of using a SOS (it is also simpler 
and cleaner, both externally and internally).

> Given that Bug 10275 
> <http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10275> is
> over five years and several versions old, am I barking up a tree with 
> this,
> or making sense?

There have been several attempts to do dVCS on arbitrary LiveCode stacks 
- but it isn't really possible in any sane way which preserves the kind 
of interaction with dVCS's which everyone expects (in particular 
services such as Bitbucket and Github).

Levure type models (and what we have been doing with the IDE - moving 
things to script only stacks) is a much better solution for those sorts 
of tools.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 05:06:05 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:06:05 +0200
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <10E30DBA-1BF7-4564-A638-BF2B8BDABA67@m-r-d.de>
References: <10E30DBA-1BF7-4564-A638-BF2B8BDABA67@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <23f08489-fa4b-4bc7-6f87-2586b9c42835@gmail.com>

I run Xubuntu 16.04 on machines with significantly lower specifications
with no trouble at all.

Richmond.

On 23/1/2018 2:31 am, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi,
>
> so this goes to the Linux experts on this list.
>
> I have here an old Asus EeePC 1000H which currently runs with Windows XP and which is not used very often.
> It has an Intel Atom N270 CPU, 1GB ram and a 160GB harddisk.
>
> What Linux OS do you recommend for this machine? Best would be, if it could be used also with Livecode.
> I am planning to give it away to someone here in the neighbourhood who just want to use it for some writing and ?Livecoding?.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards,
> Matthias
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Tue Jan 23 05:39:29 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:39:29 +0100
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
Message-ID: <D3AC3CF6-4810-4D33-9817-D60630890AEE@hyperhh.de>

Matthias,

sometimes I use a nearly identical netbook (for example when there is not enough
space for a modern laptop).

I had installed Lubuntu for several months. That *OS* is optimally suited for such
a netbook. But I removed it. Why?

The problem is LiveCode: The Linux version of LiveCode has essential bugs or missing
features (browser widget, video, sound). So I would recommend to install Windows 7
(and the Firefox browser).

I did it. Now LiveCode is working as it should.

Hermann

p.s. Lubuntu is also a good OS for Raspi 2/3 (running LiveCode 6.5.1 - raspi edition)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 06:40:29 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 13:40:29 +0200
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <D3AC3CF6-4810-4D33-9817-D60630890AEE@hyperhh.de>
References: <D3AC3CF6-4810-4D33-9817-D60630890AEE@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <7098d1f9-6939-0e73-6b09-7b749ad212ef@gmail.com>

That only is of value IFF you care about what the Linux version of 
LiveCode is missing.

AND more people should be badgering LiveCode to get their Linux version 
up to par.

Richmond.

On 23/1/2018 12:39 pm, hh via use-livecode wrote:
> Matthias,
>
> sometimes I use a nearly identical netbook (for example when there is not enough
> space for a modern laptop).
>
> I had installed Lubuntu for several months. That *OS* is optimally suited for such
> a netbook. But I removed it. Why?
>
> The problem is LiveCode: The Linux version of LiveCode has essential bugs or missing
> features (browser widget, video, sound). So I would recommend to install Windows 7
> (and the Firefox browser).
>
> I did it. Now LiveCode is working as it should.
>
> Hermann
>
> p.s. Lubuntu is also a good OS for Raspi 2/3 (running LiveCode 6.5.1 - raspi edition)
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jan 23 08:00:42 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:00:42 +0100
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <7098d1f9-6939-0e73-6b09-7b749ad212ef@gmail.com>
References: <D3AC3CF6-4810-4D33-9817-D60630890AEE@hyperhh.de>
	<7098d1f9-6939-0e73-6b09-7b749ad212ef@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFA7443C-5B02-41C8-87AC-B1105683D3F2@m-r-d.de>

Thanks to all for your thoughts and comments. 

My first try now was Lubuntu 17.10.1, Installation was quick and easy, but unfortunately there seems to be a bug in it which affects my graphic card
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639 <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639>

Problem is that after startup 80% of the screen are shown black. I need to hibernate the system and wake it up again to get the whole screen shown. 

In a next step and when i have again some spare time i will try 16.04, if this is also not working then i will again ?say good bye? to Linux as i did already some years ago and will move on with Mac OS X and Windows.
At least for some time.  Linux and me - some kind of a love-hate. ;)

Matthias



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jan 23 08:28:29 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:28:29 +0100
Subject: good tutorial about connecting LC desktop apps to MySQL without
	exposing the database
Message-ID: <56A52905-12FA-4C05-A791-F3522619FD5A@m-r-d.de>

Hi,
i?ve posted this already as a comment to a topic in the Livecode forums, but i thought, this could be also of interest for the people here, especially for the ones who do not visit the forums.

At the Hostm site  there is a good tutorial about how your LC desktop apps can communicate with a MySQL/MariaDB without the need to expose your database by using an api.
The tutorial even includes an api, written completely in livecode server script, which can be downloaded for free. 
You?ll find it here https://www.hostm.com/tutorials/livecode/api-mariadb-mysql <https://www.hostm.com/tutorials/livecode/api-mariadb-mysql>

Matthias

From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 08:58:49 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 06:58:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: how to refer to a custom prop that is a multidimensional array
In-Reply-To: <A0BC9F76-60B6-4124-B9C7-7070CD586073@hyperhh.de>
References: <CAGeTkx=yH1X_wiKMiOXW1XKzn78q1p3cHgQS=Mvi=tO130GqzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A0BC9F76-60B6-4124-B9C7-7070CD586073@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <1516715929830-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi.

I am not sure I understand your question. What is different about this:

on mouseUp
   put 6 into myArray["x"]["a"]
   put 7 into myArray["x"]["b"]
   put 8 into myArray["x"]["c"]
   
   answer myArray["x"][any char of "abc"]
end mouseUp

Craig Newman



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From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 09:02:02 2018
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 07:02:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: how to refer to a custom prop that is a multidimensional array
In-Reply-To: <A0BC9F76-60B6-4124-B9C7-7070CD586073@hyperhh.de>
References: <CAGeTkx=yH1X_wiKMiOXW1XKzn78q1p3cHgQS=Mvi=tO130GqzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A0BC9F76-60B6-4124-B9C7-7070CD586073@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <1516716122139-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Oh.  Now I see. You want to retrieve "interior" elements of an array directly
from a single call to a custom property. As said, I think you have to
retrieve the property, and then retrieve the element. Two lines of code.

Craig



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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 09:08:38 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 07:08:38 -0700
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <BFA7443C-5B02-41C8-87AC-B1105683D3F2@m-r-d.de>
References: <D3AC3CF6-4810-4D33-9817-D60630890AEE@hyperhh.de>
	<7098d1f9-6939-0e73-6b09-7b749ad212ef@gmail.com>
	<BFA7443C-5B02-41C8-87AC-B1105683D3F2@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSo-ynpA4xwc=mw2b+ZhQMtDCk1Xa8yi31zS422HdZpXOA@mail.gmail.com>

If you can switch to the 4.15 kernel the screen issue may be fixed,
alternatively..
If you can get to a terminal screen with lubuntu, it looks like you can do
the following to fix the display problem.. (works for some, not all it
seems)

sudo nano /etc/default/grub

Simple editor 'nano' will open.
Add line
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text
at the end of file.

Save file and exit from nano.

issue command:

sudo update-grub

reboot.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:00 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Thanks to all for your thoughts and comments.
>
> My first try now was Lubuntu 17.10.1, Installation was quick and easy, but
> unfortunately there seems to be a bug in it which affects my graphic card
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639 <
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639>
>
> Problem is that after startup 80% of the screen are shown black. I need to
> hibernate the system and wake it up again to get the whole screen shown.
>
> In a next step and when i have again some spare time i will try 16.04, if
> this is also not working then i will again ?say good bye? to Linux as i did
> already some years ago and will move on with Mac OS X and Windows.
> At least for some time.  Linux and me - some kind of a love-hate. ;)
>
> Matthias
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jan 23 09:59:11 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 15:59:11 +0100
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSo-ynpA4xwc=mw2b+ZhQMtDCk1Xa8yi31zS422HdZpXOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D3AC3CF6-4810-4D33-9817-D60630890AEE@hyperhh.de>
	<7098d1f9-6939-0e73-6b09-7b749ad212ef@gmail.com>
	<BFA7443C-5B02-41C8-87AC-B1105683D3F2@m-r-d.de>
	<CAG1cpSo-ynpA4xwc=mw2b+ZhQMtDCk1Xa8yi31zS422HdZpXOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F804A45-C6CC-4C4B-B116-B070FE6E4AED@m-r-d.de>

adding that line to grub fixed it. Thanks for that.

Matthias


> Am 23.01.2018 um 15:08 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> If you can switch to the 4.15 kernel the screen issue may be fixed,
> alternatively..
> If you can get to a terminal screen with lubuntu, it looks like you can do
> the following to fix the display problem.. (works for some, not all it
> seems)
> 
> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
> 
> Simple editor 'nano' will open.
> Add line
> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text
> at the end of file.
> 
> Save file and exit from nano.
> 
> issue command:
> 
> sudo update-grub
> 
> reboot.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:00 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks to all for your thoughts and comments.
>> 
>> My first try now was Lubuntu 17.10.1, Installation was quick and easy, but
>> unfortunately there seems to be a bug in it which affects my graphic card
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639 <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639> <
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639 <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639>>
>> 
>> Problem is that after startup 80% of the screen are shown black. I need to
>> hibernate the system and wake it up again to get the whole screen shown.
>> 
>> In a next step and when i have again some spare time i will try 16.04, if
>> this is also not working then i will again ?say good bye? to Linux as i did
>> already some years ago and will move on with Mac OS X and Windows.
>> At least for some time.  Linux and me - some kind of a love-hate. ;)
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 11:21:58 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 08:21:58 -0800
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:49 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2018-01-22 21:20, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Is there any reason script-only stacks had to be implemented in the
>> engine?
>>
>
> Yes - otherwise direct stack references or 'stackfiles' indirected
> references wouldn't work. You'd need a binary 'launcher' stack for each
> script, which would then be a bane for version control (which would have
> defeated their purpose).
>

?Yep, I get that I was proposing a hack, non-100% solution.? Hence "Crazy"
in the subject line ;-)


>
> In terms of behaviors, then they are another example of script objects -
> indeed, the object the script is attached to has little to do with any
> semantics of behaviors (although we did add 'this me', to allow resource
> resolution relative to the behavior object - I'd suggest not using it for
> anything else other than that ;)).
>

?This actually raises another point (and I'm sure this is a discussion that
happened without me several years ago, but as long as we're here) is there
a reason to use "this me" which seems terribly awkward, over "the behavior
of me" which is to my ear far more straightforward? (it didn't require any
additional code or syntax) if a bit more verbose?


> I'd propose the following:
>
>   script <script-name> with behavior <behavior-name>
>
> Where <behavior-name> is resolved as a stack reference.
>

?Sure, that sounds perfect?.

gc


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan 23 11:23:39 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:23:39 +0000
Subject: good tutorial about connecting LC desktop apps to MySQL without
	exposing the database
In-Reply-To: <56A52905-12FA-4C05-A791-F3522619FD5A@m-r-d.de>
References: <56A52905-12FA-4C05-A791-F3522619FD5A@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <4934114F-2E89-4694-B6D0-0E7398FCD0C6@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks a TON Matthias! This has been gnawing at my conscience for some time. While I store important data in encrypted format using a seed only I know, the data in transit and in storage is not encrypted. There is nothing critical there anyone would want, but still... this is something I definitely want to implement as soon as possible, although it will require a refactoring of my database connection and query routines. 

Trevor Devore mention a few months back some possibility of updating sqlYoga to use this kind of connection. Since my routines are entirely dependent on sqlYoga, this would be important for me, otherwise I would have to essentially recreate some of his routines for getting cursors into arrays or text and back again. 

Bob S


> On Jan 23, 2018, at 05:28 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> i?ve posted this already as a comment to a topic in the Livecode forums, but i thought, this could be also of interest for the people here, especially for the ones who do not visit the forums.
> 
> At the Hostm site  there is a good tutorial about how your LC desktop apps can communicate with a MySQL/MariaDB without the need to expose your database by using an api.
> The tutorial even includes an api, written completely in livecode server script, which can be downloaded for free. 
> You?ll find it here https://www.hostm.com/tutorials/livecode/api-mariadb-mysql <https://www.hostm.com/tutorials/livecode/api-mariadb-mysql>
> 
> Matthias
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan 23 11:24:19 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:24:19 +0000
Subject: good tutorial about connecting LC desktop apps to MySQL without
	exposing the database
In-Reply-To: <4934114F-2E89-4694-B6D0-0E7398FCD0C6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <56A52905-12FA-4C05-A791-F3522619FD5A@m-r-d.de>
	<4934114F-2E89-4694-B6D0-0E7398FCD0C6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CBC333C2-EA76-4872-B523-29C325A96C3B@iotecdigital.com>

I should have said the REST of the data in transit...

Bob S


> On Jan 23, 2018, at 08:23 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> While I store important data in encrypted format using a seed only I know, the data in transit




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan 23 11:33:14 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:33:14 +0000
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F91DBFF-56E0-4EE9-AED4-1C0D95FE6D62@iotecdigital.com>

This Me refers to the behavior object itself, not the object using the behavior. That is so that scripts referring to Me can be ported to a behavior without modification (I assume) and Me will still refer to the calling object. I suppose they could have used Real Me or some such thing. 

I have never actually had a need to refer to the behavior object itself in one of it's handlers. The only use case I can imagine is if you wanted to send or dispatch to call a handler in the behavior, but it's already in the front of message heirarchy for the calling object. 

Bob S


> On Jan 23, 2018, at 08:21 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> <snip> is there a reason to use "this me" which seems terribly awkward, over "the behavior of me" which is to my ear far more straightforward? (it didn't require any additional code or syntax) if a bit more verbose?


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan 23 11:35:21 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:35:21 +0000
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <ef4b01e6-0ffa-7eec-4905-74af4e716fc5@sonic.net>
References: <10E30DBA-1BF7-4564-A638-BF2B8BDABA67@m-r-d.de>
	<ef4b01e6-0ffa-7eec-4905-74af4e716fc5@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <5255BE38-32D5-44D9-BE9D-F26620BEADF4@iotecdigital.com>

Hah! I always say, ask 5 psychiatrists and you'll get 10 different opinions. :-)

Bob S


> On Jan 22, 2018, at 18:07 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> But ask any three linux users and you'll get half a dozen different answers.




From hh at hyperhh.de  Tue Jan 23 11:49:13 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:49:13 +0100
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
Message-ID: <A5012808-7E9A-4247-874A-4784D0A22FED@hyperhh.de>

> R.M. wrote:
> That [these issues] only is of value IFF you care about what the
> Linux version of LiveCode is missing.
> AND more people should be badgering LiveCode to get their Linux
> version up to par. 

The people using LiveCode with Linux I know (also seen from all the
responses here) have special characteristics

= they have a high level of scripting abilities
= they are also interested in other OSes
= they are passionate lovers of LiveCode 
= they are able to use LiveCode in agony without crying.

I use Lubuntu/Xubuntu on my Raspis and have moreover my fastest
machine running with Mint-Cinnamon.
But I work with LiveCode only on Mac or Win. Whenever I make a widget
or use widgets I try for several hours to arrive at workarounds for
the linux version. Only that is a lot of pain -- the upper limit for me. 

>> hh wrote:
>> [netbook] ... The problem is LiveCode: The Linux version of LiveCode
>> has essential bugs or missing features (browser widget, video, sound).
>> So I would recommend to install Windows 7 (and the Firefox browser).
>> I did it. Now LiveCode is working as it should.



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 11:49:31 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 08:49:31 -0800
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <8F91DBFF-56E0-4EE9-AED4-1C0D95FE6D62@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8F91DBFF-56E0-4EE9-AED4-1C0D95FE6D62@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpFgAj_+W9svcq306qkrdSS_L7ms7N7f55S97rSXVT91w@mail.gmail.com>

I just checked, and yeah, this me is portable between object scripts and
behavior scripts, but it seems highly unlikely that the concept itself
would be portable. i.e. it's far more often the case that a reference to
me/this me from an object's script *should* be a reference to the control
itself, not the behavior, and copy-pasting it into a behavior script would
be an error. "the behavior of me" accomplishes the same thing as "this me"
in a behavior script, and is far more clear besides.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This Me refers to the behavior object itself, not the object using the
> behavior. That is so that scripts referring to Me can be ported to a
> behavior without modification (I assume) and Me will still refer to the
> calling object. I suppose they could have used Real Me or some such thing.
>
> I have never actually had a need to refer to the behavior object itself in
> one of it's handlers. The only use case I can imagine is if you wanted to
> send or dispatch to call a handler in the behavior, but it's already in the
> front of message heirarchy for the calling object.
>
> Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan 23 11:56:12 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:56:12 +0000
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpFgAj_+W9svcq306qkrdSS_L7ms7N7f55S97rSXVT91w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<8F91DBFF-56E0-4EE9-AED4-1C0D95FE6D62@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAKCLKtpFgAj_+W9svcq306qkrdSS_L7ms7N7f55S97rSXVT91w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55730128-79EC-46B4-B3C2-079BC76EAF48@iotecdigital.com>

It isn't This Me that is portable (Mark indicated it shouldn't be used anywhere but in a behavior script itself if I recall) but it is simple Me that is portable. Me will always refer to the object USING a behavior (or not as the case may be) and not the behavior itself. 

Bob S


> On Jan 23, 2018, at 08:49 , Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I just checked, and yeah, this me is portable between object scripts and
> behavior scripts, but it seems highly unlikely that the concept itself
> would be portable. i.e. it's far more often the case that a reference to
> me/this me from an object's script *should* be a reference to the control
> itself, not the behavior, and copy-pasting it into a behavior script would
> be an error. "the behavior of me" accomplishes the same thing as "this me"
> in a behavior script, and is far more clear besides.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 23 12:23:28 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:23:28 -0800
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpFgAj_+W9svcq306qkrdSS_L7ms7N7f55S97rSXVT91w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpFgAj_+W9svcq306qkrdSS_L7ms7N7f55S97rSXVT91w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e6d370db-851e-d21c-4a04-f55c9797b9f8@fourthworld.com>

Geoff Canyon wrote:
 > "the behavior of me" accomplishes the same thing as "this me"
 > in a behavior script, and is far more clear besides.

Agreed, and there was a looooong thread about alternatives back when 
"this me" was proposed, but it's been around so long now that I doubt 
it's going away.

I feel similarly about "behavior" vs "parentScript".  The former is so 
generic that one needs to be very mindful of context when using it, to 
avoid confusion with other behaviors in the more common sense. 
ParentScript is geekier, but intentionally so: it's an invented work to 
describe a very specific thing, and as such avoids ambiguity while being 
more inherently communicative.

But much like "destroyStack" for a non-destructive behavior, or allowing 
property syntax for some function calls (but not others), or 
"playLoudness" for what the world calls "soundVolume", these are among 
the charms of our dialect that keep consultants employed. ;)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 23 12:29:50 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:29:50 -0800
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <A5012808-7E9A-4247-874A-4784D0A22FED@hyperhh.de>
References: <A5012808-7E9A-4247-874A-4784D0A22FED@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <3c545657-a040-15bb-4b76-ad9c489cf81d@fourthworld.com>

hh wrote:

 > I use Lubuntu/Xubuntu on my Raspis and have moreover my fastest
 > machine running with Mint-Cinnamon.
 > But I work with LiveCode only on Mac or Win. Whenever I make a widget
 > or use widgets I try for several hours to arrive at workarounds for
 > the linux version. Only that is a lot of pain -- the upper limit for
 > me.

That sounds painful.  What do those widgets do?

I use LC daily on Ubuntu, occasionally dipping into macOS or Windows 
depending on what I'm working on.  The browser widget has gone though 
several iterations that have been hit-and-miss (current miss in v9 but 
anticipated to be resolved before Stable), and audio and video playback 
have gotten so progressively worse since that last worked in MetaCard as 
to be currently unusable (though the funded Player revision will 
presumably address that when the Linux version catches up with the Mac 
and Win versions that are already done).

But in my own experience those are the only two areas I've experienced 
limitations with LC on Linux. Pretty much everything else I can think of 
works well here.

It would be helpful to know where you're encountering issue so we can 
help steward those bug reports to completion.

Linux isn't going away, and while it's not a direct revenue generator 
for the company it plays a strong strategic role I'm sure they don't 
want to conceded to other tools.  Let's see what's needed to bring LC's 
Linux version up to par to keep it competitive in that growing space.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From mark at livecode.com  Tue Jan 23 12:42:07 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 18:42:07 +0100
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0a32ffe40c5d469daf9f4ca41b6b226d@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-23 17:21, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> ?This actually raises another point (and I'm sure this is a discussion 
> that
> happened without me several years ago, but as long as we're here) is 
> there
> a reason to use "this me" which seems terribly awkward, over "the 
> behavior
> of me" which is to my ear far more straightforward? (it didn't require 
> any
> additional code or syntax) if a bit more verbose?

There's a longish thread on the engine forum about this...

The 'behavior of me' works fine as long as you aren't using a chained 
behavior - in the latter case, it would only give you the behavior 
object directly attached to 'me' (i.e. the object the behavior's are 
acting on).

The need to actually get the object a behavior's script resides in is 
really quite a rare operation (the only reason I think it is useful at 
all in the context of script-only stacks being used for behaviors is for 
resolving paths to resources relative to the behavior script file) so in 
the end I plumped for something simple to add which wasn't going to 
cause any difficulties in implementation or potential ambiguities - its 
strangeness helps reinforce the fact 'are you sure you need to do this' 
as well :)

In actual fact, I wonder whether it is really needed at all for 
behaviors expressed as script only stacks - you can use 'the filename of 
stack <name of behavior>' - which is more verbose but means you can 
avoid 'this me'. (Given that if you change the name of a behavior, any 
references to it break, you are forced to choose your behavior names 
wisely - hence why we use reverse-dns notation in the IDE).

Pondering slightly, if we codify the notion of a script object (i.e. 
something which is just a script), then perhaps we could have:

   - this object (me): the object currently executing

   - this script (this me): the script currently executing

Perhaps something to consider in the future (I've not spent any time 
considering whether 'this script' might have a more useful 
connotation!).

>> I'd propose the following:
>> 
>>   script <script-name> with behavior <behavior-name>
>> 
>> Where <behavior-name> is resolved as a stack reference.
>> 
> 
> ?Sure, that sounds perfect?.

I did a patch for this whilst having coffee this morning:

    https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6290

It garnered some discussion internally - mainly whether the idea of a 
'loadStack' message would be better. I think it was decided that 
'loadStack' (i.e. a message sent after a stack is loaded, but before 
opened - something which happens whenever you reference a stack via a 
chunk without a go/open verb) was an orthogonal thing (and a fair bit 
more difficult to implement!).

Still needs some tests and generally checking around the idea - but as 
it stands at the moment it seems like a reasonable addition.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 23 12:45:45 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 09:45:45 -0800
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <1F804A45-C6CC-4C4B-B116-B070FE6E4AED@m-r-d.de>
References: <1F804A45-C6CC-4C4B-B116-B070FE6E4AED@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <79fad32a-a1bc-4dd3-f7c9-bf70631acb19@fourthworld.com>

I'm glad that worked out, Matthias.

Linux can be every bit as easy to work with as other OSes when you get 
it like we get other OSes: pre-installed with the computer you 
purchased, with all the necessary drivers and configs set up for that 
particular hardware.

Dell, Acer, System 76, ZaReason, and others sell some nice machines with 
Linux pre-installed.

The challenge with Linux is when we ask it to do something we never ask 
of other OSes, to run on a machine designed specifically to run a 
different OS.

Trying to install macOS on a PC not designed for it is as frustrating as 
it is illegal.  And even though most PCs are designed specifically to 
Microsoft's specs, I've seen more than a few cases where installing a 
stock version rather than using the restore disk becomes DLL hell.

I've been lucky with Linux, in that all but one of my installs went 
swimmingly right out of the box.  And for that one, Ubuntu discovered 
the need for a driver for me, and prompted me to click a button to 
install it.

In your case a one-line change to the boot config fixed it.  I find most 
install issues are about that small, if one is the sort who doesn't mind 
a few minutes looking up an answer and typing it in Terminal.

And if you're looking for a simpler out-of-the-box solution, for PCs 
with modest resources you could also try Xubuntu or other lightweight 
distros.  The chances of at least one of those working well on a stock 
Asus with N270 is pretty good.

By expecting Linux to run on everything we throw at it, we're asking it 
to work much harder than we ask of any other OS.  It's a testimony to 
the teams that make it that it generally does.

And with Linux having become the de facto standard of modern computing 
in all areas beyond the desktop, time spent learning it is a good 
investment in the 21st century.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> adding that line to grub fixed it. Thanks for that.
> 
> Matthias
>
>> Am 23.01.2018 um 15:08 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>> 
>> If you can switch to the 4.15 kernel the screen issue may be fixed,
>> alternatively..
>> If you can get to a terminal screen with lubuntu, it looks like you can do
>> the following to fix the display problem.. (works for some, not all it
>> seems)
>> 
>> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
>> 
>> Simple editor 'nano' will open.
>> Add line
>> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text
>> at the end of file.
>> 
>> Save file and exit from nano.
>> 
>> issue command:
>> 
>> sudo update-grub
>> 
>> reboot.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:00 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks to all for your thoughts and comments.
>>> 
>>> My first try now was Lubuntu 17.10.1, Installation was quick and easy, but
>>> unfortunately there seems to be a bug in it which affects my graphic card
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639 <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639> <
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639 <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639>>
>>> 
>>> Problem is that after startup 80% of the screen are shown black. I need to
>>> hibernate the system and wake it up again to get the whole screen shown.
>>> 
>>> In a next step and when i have again some spare time i will try 16.04, if
>>> this is also not working then i will again ?say good bye? to Linux as i did
>>> already some years ago and will move on with Mac OS X and Windows.
>>> At least for some time.  Linux and me - some kind of a love-hate. ;)
>>> 
>>> Matthias




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 23 13:13:34 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:13:34 -0600
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
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There was a long and amusing discussion about what to call the object that 
actually holds the behavior script. When behaviors were first implemented, 
only buttons could be used as the container. In some cases it was necessary 
to refer to the container button itself, for example, to get a property. 
Since "me" always refers to the control using the behavior we needed a 
specifier. "This me" was eventually suggested as a joke but no one could 
think of a better term, and it fit very well with existing LC syntax. I 
still smile when I have to use it, which has happened only once when the 
button stored different custom property sets for use on different platforms.

Behaviors in buttons are still supported, which I hope never changes, 
because there are advantages. Script only stacks cannot be debugged using 
remote debugging, which makes developing on mobile devices very difficult. 
Buttons travel with the stack, eliminating sometimes dozens of extra files 
in the app directory, and there's no need to keep the stackfiles updated. 
And you can store a lot more info in a button besides just a script. Your 
Navigator could probably be more compact if you stored behaviors in hidden 
buttons, and you wouldn't have to worry about installation of external files.

Script only stacks are very useful for git, but if I'm not using that I 
still prefer buttons. I've used both methods and each has its purpose.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On January 23, 2018 10:52:04 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I just checked, and yeah, this me is portable between object scripts and
> behavior scripts, but it seems highly unlikely that the concept itself
> would be portable. i.e. it's far more often the case that a reference to
> me/this me from an object's script *should* be a reference to the control
> itself, not the behavior, and copy-pasting it into a behavior script would
> be an error. "the behavior of me" accomplishes the same thing as "this me"
> in a behavior script, and is far more clear besides.
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> This Me refers to the behavior object itself, not the object using the
>> behavior. That is so that scripts referring to Me can be ported to a
>> behavior without modification (I assume) and Me will still refer to the
>> calling object. I suppose they could have used Real Me or some such thing.
>>
>> I have never actually had a need to refer to the behavior object itself in
>> one of it's handlers. The only use case I can imagine is if you wanted to
>> send or dispatch to call a handler in the behavior, but it's already in the
>> front of message heirarchy for the calling object.
>>
>> Bob S
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 13:21:43 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:21:43 -0800
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
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On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2018-01-23 17:21, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> ?This actually raises another point (and I'm sure this is a discussion
>> that
>> happened without me several years ago, but as long as we're here) is there
>> a reason to use "this me" which seems terribly awkward, over "the behavior
>> of me" which is to my ear far more straightforward? (it didn't require any
>> additional code or syntax) if a bit more verbose?
>>
>
> There's a longish thread on the engine forum about this...
>
> The 'behavior of me' works fine as long as you aren't using a chained
> behavior - in the latter case, it would only give you the behavior object
> directly attached to 'me' (i.e. the object the behavior's are acting on).
>

?Yeah, agreed, in this circumstance "the behavior of me" would be lacking.
?

>
> The need to actually get the object a behavior's script resides in is
> really quite a rare operation (the only reason I think it is useful at all
> in the context of script-only stacks being used for behaviors is for
> resolving paths to resources relative to the behavior script file) so in
> the end I plumped for something simple to add which wasn't going to cause
> any difficulties in implementation or potential ambiguities - its
> strangeness helps reinforce the fact 'are you sure you need to do this' as
> well :)
>

?Class variables are a fairly defined thing in the OO world, and this seems
equivalent to those.
?

>
> In actual fact, I wonder whether it is really needed at all for behaviors
> expressed as script only stacks - you can use 'the filename of stack <name
> of behavior>' - which is more verbose but means you can avoid 'this me'.
> (Given that if you change the name of a behavior, any references to it
> break, you are forced to choose your behavior names wisely - hence why we
> use reverse-dns notation in the IDE).
>
> Pondering slightly, if we codify the notion of a script object (i.e.
> something which is just a script), then perhaps we could have:
>
>   - this object (me): the object currently executing
>
>   - this script (this me): the script currently executing
>
> Perhaps something to consider in the future (I've not spent any time
> considering whether 'this script' might have a more useful connotation!).
>
> I'd propose the following:
>>>
>>>   script <script-name> with behavior <behavior-name>
>>>
>>> Where <behavior-name> is resolved as a stack reference.
>>>
>>>
>> ?Sure, that sounds perfect?.
>>
>
> I did a patch for this whilst having coffee this morning:
>
>    https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6290
>
> It garnered some discussion internally - mainly whether the idea of a
> 'loadStack' message would be better. I think it was decided that
> 'loadStack' (i.e. a message sent after a stack is loaded, but before opened
> - something which happens whenever you reference a stack via a chunk
> without a go/open verb) was an orthogonal thing (and a fair bit more
> difficult to implement!).
>
> Still needs some tests and generally checking around the idea - but as it
> stands at the moment it seems like a reasonable addition.
>
> ?Woot!?


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 13:26:14 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 10:26:14 -0800
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <1612439a8b0.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
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	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
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	<8F91DBFF-56E0-4EE9-AED4-1C0D95FE6D62@iotecdigital.com>
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Navigator has used buttons on the second (never shown) card for a couple
years now. I'm currently testing a convert to SoS function in Navigator,
the first practical use of which will be to convert Navigator. I'm looking
forward to GitHub, and not having a directory listing like this hiding on
my computer:

Navigator 5.0 alpha 2.zip
gSB latest 4.5.1 Navigator.rev 28.zip
Navigator.rev 27.zip
5.0a1 Navigator.rev 26.zip
Navigator.rev 25.zip
Navigator.rev 24.zip
Navigator.rev 23.zip
Navigator.rev 22.zip
Navigator.rev 21.zip
Navigator.rev 20.zip
etc...

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 10:13 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> There was a long and amusing discussion about what to call the object that
> actually holds the behavior script. When behaviors were first implemented,
> only buttons could be used as the container. In some cases it was necessary
> to refer to the container button itself, for example, to get a property.
> Since "me" always refers to the control using the behavior we needed a
> specifier. "This me" was eventually suggested as a joke but no one could
> think of a better term, and it fit very well with existing LC syntax. I
> still smile when I have to use it, which has happened only once when the
> button stored different custom property sets for use on different platforms.
>
> Behaviors in buttons are still supported, which I hope never changes,
> because there are advantages. Script only stacks cannot be debugged using
> remote debugging, which makes developing on mobile devices very difficult.
> Buttons travel with the stack, eliminating sometimes dozens of extra files
> in the app directory, and there's no need to keep the stackfiles updated.
> And you can store a lot more info in a button besides just a script. Your
> Navigator could probably be more compact if you stored behaviors in hidden
> buttons, and you wouldn't have to worry about installation of external
> files.
>
> Script only stacks are very useful for git, but if I'm not using that I
> still prefer buttons. I've used both methods and each has its purpose.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
>
>
> On January 23, 2018 10:52:04 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> I just checked, and yeah, this me is portable between object scripts and
>> behavior scripts, but it seems highly unlikely that the concept itself
>> would be portable. i.e. it's far more often the case that a reference to
>> me/this me from an object's script *should* be a reference to the control
>> itself, not the behavior, and copy-pasting it into a behavior script would
>> be an error. "the behavior of me" accomplishes the same thing as "this me"
>> in a behavior script, and is far more clear besides.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> This Me refers to the behavior object itself, not the object using the
>>> behavior. That is so that scripts referring to Me can be ported to a
>>> behavior without modification (I assume) and Me will still refer to the
>>> calling object. I suppose they could have used Real Me or some such
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> I have never actually had a need to refer to the behavior object itself
>>> in
>>> one of it's handlers. The only use case I can imagine is if you wanted to
>>> send or dispatch to call a handler in the behavior, but it's already in
>>> the
>>> front of message heirarchy for the calling object.
>>>
>>> Bob S
>>>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 23 13:27:23 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 13:27:23 -0500
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
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@JLG I thought with "breaktpoint" you could debug SOS behaviors

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:21 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2018-01-23 17:21, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> >
> >> ?This actually raises another point (and I'm sure this is a discussion
> >> that
> >> happened without me several years ago, but as long as we're here) is
> there
> >> a reason to use "this me" which seems terribly awkward, over "the
> behavior
> >> of me" which is to my ear far more straightforward? (it didn't require
> any
> >> additional code or syntax) if a bit more verbose?
> >>
> >
> > There's a longish thread on the engine forum about this...
> >
> > The 'behavior of me' works fine as long as you aren't using a chained
> > behavior - in the latter case, it would only give you the behavior object
> > directly attached to 'me' (i.e. the object the behavior's are acting on).
> >
>
> ?Yeah, agreed, in this circumstance "the behavior of me" would be lacking.
> ?
>
> >
> > The need to actually get the object a behavior's script resides in is
> > really quite a rare operation (the only reason I think it is useful at
> all
> > in the context of script-only stacks being used for behaviors is for
> > resolving paths to resources relative to the behavior script file) so in
> > the end I plumped for something simple to add which wasn't going to cause
> > any difficulties in implementation or potential ambiguities - its
> > strangeness helps reinforce the fact 'are you sure you need to do this'
> as
> > well :)
> >
>
> ?Class variables are a fairly defined thing in the OO world, and this seems
> equivalent to those.
> ?
>
> >
> > In actual fact, I wonder whether it is really needed at all for behaviors
> > expressed as script only stacks - you can use 'the filename of stack
> <name
> > of behavior>' - which is more verbose but means you can avoid 'this me'.
> > (Given that if you change the name of a behavior, any references to it
> > break, you are forced to choose your behavior names wisely - hence why we
> > use reverse-dns notation in the IDE).
> >
> > Pondering slightly, if we codify the notion of a script object (i.e.
> > something which is just a script), then perhaps we could have:
> >
> >   - this object (me): the object currently executing
> >
> >   - this script (this me): the script currently executing
> >
> > Perhaps something to consider in the future (I've not spent any time
> > considering whether 'this script' might have a more useful connotation!).
> >
> > I'd propose the following:
> >>>
> >>>   script <script-name> with behavior <behavior-name>
> >>>
> >>> Where <behavior-name> is resolved as a stack reference.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> ?Sure, that sounds perfect?.
> >>
> >
> > I did a patch for this whilst having coffee this morning:
> >
> >    https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/6290
> >
> > It garnered some discussion internally - mainly whether the idea of a
> > 'loadStack' message would be better. I think it was decided that
> > 'loadStack' (i.e. a message sent after a stack is loaded, but before
> opened
> > - something which happens whenever you reference a stack via a chunk
> > without a go/open verb) was an orthogonal thing (and a fair bit more
> > difficult to implement!).
> >
> > Still needs some tests and generally checking around the idea - but as it
> > stands at the moment it seems like a reasonable addition.
> >
> > ?Woot!?
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jan 23 13:42:37 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 13:42:37 -0500
Subject: good tutorial about connecting LC desktop apps to MySQL without
	exposing the database
In-Reply-To: <CBC333C2-EA76-4872-B523-29C325A96C3B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <56A52905-12FA-4C05-A791-F3522619FD5A@m-r-d.de>
	<4934114F-2E89-4694-B6D0-0E7398FCD0C6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CBC333C2-EA76-4872-B523-29C325A96C3B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB6D5F3k3i9Jfp7Y4qzWtF5vBLFOrZ8DTR9Ao=d+QXuGCA@mail.gmail.com>

This is a great resource... thank you.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:24 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I should have said the REST of the data in transit...
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 23, 2018, at 08:23 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > While I store important data in encrypted format using a seed only I
> know, the data in transit
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan 23 14:09:25 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 19:09:25 +0000
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <79fad32a-a1bc-4dd3-f7c9-bf70631acb19@fourthworld.com>
References: <1F804A45-C6CC-4C4B-B116-B070FE6E4AED@m-r-d.de>
	<79fad32a-a1bc-4dd3-f7c9-bf70631acb19@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B1BAE555-7931-4F71-B6A7-CE12AEFC0799@iotecdigital.com>

Mainly because the OS is specifically written to prevent it. If it weren't, there would be no problem. The OS is compiled for a chipset, and as far as I know it's the same in all respects as a "Windows" PC. 

> On Jan 23, 2018, at 09:45 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Trying to install macOS on a PC not designed for it is as frustrating as it is illegal.  




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 14:30:51 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 21:30:51 +0200
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <B1BAE555-7931-4F71-B6A7-CE12AEFC0799@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1F804A45-C6CC-4C4B-B116-B070FE6E4AED@m-r-d.de>
	<79fad32a-a1bc-4dd3-f7c9-bf70631acb19@fourthworld.com>
	<B1BAE555-7931-4F71-B6A7-CE12AEFC0799@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <dbdd73c4-cd21-1ca8-53ea-aa5428f2ae78@gmail.com>

"illegal": that's funny, I thought EULA thingies were not legally binding.

Although, to be honest, spending "all that bother" installing Mac OS on 
a machine that isn't designed for it seems
a bit pointless when Linux works on almost any machine you can throw at it.

Richmond.

On 23/1/2018 9:09 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Mainly because the OS is specifically written to prevent it. If it weren't, there would be no problem. The OS is compiled for a chipset, and as far as I know it's the same in all respects as a "Windows" PC.
>
>> On Jan 23, 2018, at 09:45 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Trying to install macOS on a PC not designed for it is as frustrating as it is illegal.
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Tue Jan 23 14:49:08 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:49:08 -0800
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <79fad32a-a1bc-4dd3-f7c9-bf70631acb19@fourthworld.com>
References: <1F804A45-C6CC-4C4B-B116-B070FE6E4AED@m-r-d.de>
	<79fad32a-a1bc-4dd3-f7c9-bf70631acb19@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0fb169bc-d481-f43b-13e0-97a42ccb1d10@sonic.net>

On 01/23/2018 09:45 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:

> I've been lucky with Linux, in that all but one of my installs went 
> swimmingly right out of the box.? And for that one, Ubuntu discovered 
> the need for a driver for me, and prompted me to click a button to 
> install it.

I even have Ubuntu running on one of the original OLPC computers.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 23 15:19:11 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 12:19:11 -0800
Subject: OT - What linux do you recommend for older PCs?
In-Reply-To: <dbdd73c4-cd21-1ca8-53ea-aa5428f2ae78@gmail.com>
References: <dbdd73c4-cd21-1ca8-53ea-aa5428f2ae78@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da5fea9b-1699-4de9-7935-45c64423ecab@fourthworld.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

 > "illegal": that's funny, I thought EULA thingies were not legally
 > binding.

In what jurisdiction?

 > Although, to be honest, spending "all that bother" installing Mac OS
 > on  a machine that isn't designed for it seems a bit pointless when
 > Linux works on almost any machine you can throw at it.

And infinitely tinkerable. Customization on macOS is a choice between 
blue or grey selection highlights. ;)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 23 16:15:12 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 15:15:12 -0600
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPOyuiksm780kAqq77GKG7tLK0vP=BsbaDNmz0EimD2xw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0a32ffe40c5d469daf9f4ca41b6b226d@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtp3mrov=kQ0XsDOaPr511cXCBAta+Y1jAvLe0H+m=4+Ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPOyuiksm780kAqq77GKG7tLK0vP=BsbaDNmz0EimD2xw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a8cdb24e-51cd-9a19-d3c1-980517c8b758@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/23/18 12:27 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
> @JLG I thought with "breaktpoint" you could debug SOS behaviors

I haven't actually tried that yet. It would be more difficult to avoid 
debugging when you just want to run the stack normally but would be 
better than nothing. I suppose you'd need to remember to remove all the 
breakpoint commands from the SOS files at some point. Have you tried it yet?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bogdanoff at me.com  Tue Jan 23 16:25:32 2018
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 13:25:32 -0800
Subject: Particular behavior
Message-ID: <882BDB2B-5CDA-4072-BAB0-00A9372E8E4F@me.com>

Hi,

With all the discussion of behaviors? I haven?t used behaviors yet, but am wondering if that will work in this scenario:

I have a stack ?PlayerFoo? containing a player, the player has callbacks set.
When the player plays, I want the callbacks to be handled by a card script in another stack.

I could have a card script in the same card that has the player. This card script could have a handler doCallback containing the command:

	send ?doCallback? to card ?CardFoo" of stack ?StackFoo? with tCallback

where the callback is then acted on.

Is there a way to apply behaviors to this scenario?

Peter Bogdanoff
ArtsInteractive


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 23 16:26:07 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:26:07 -0500
Subject: regex deconstructor
Message-ID: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know of a regex deconstructor?  I've looked but haven't found
one.
I've found lots of evaluators and ones that will throw sample text at a
regex but not one that breaks one down and sort-of explains what it does.

Similarly, going the other way, a regex builder would also be nice, but I
can't seem to find one of those, either

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 23 16:28:56 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:28:56 -0500
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <a8cdb24e-51cd-9a19-d3c1-980517c8b758@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0a32ffe40c5d469daf9f4ca41b6b226d@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtp3mrov=kQ0XsDOaPr511cXCBAta+Y1jAvLe0H+m=4+Ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPOyuiksm780kAqq77GKG7tLK0vP=BsbaDNmz0EimD2xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8cdb24e-51cd-9a19-d3c1-980517c8b758@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOPW87HvZhSPsH+UDNOE7oyxPmEOK2KyczP7LP4fORYtQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have not.  I broke the remote debugger and haven't played with it in a
month or more.  What I was thinking of doing was having a breakpoint
wrapper that only fires if I have a variable or property set, e.g. a global
called "debug", or having my "execute" debug method, that gives me an
answer box, lets me type in any LC statement I want, and then "do"es it
fire a breakpoint

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 4:15 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 1/23/18 12:27 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> @JLG I thought with "breaktpoint" you could debug SOS behaviors
>>
>
> I haven't actually tried that yet. It would be more difficult to avoid
> debugging when you just want to run the stack normally but would be better
> than nothing. I suppose you'd need to remember to remove all the breakpoint
> commands from the SOS files at some point. Have you tried it yet?
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From mkoob at rogers.com  Tue Jan 23 18:12:44 2018
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:12:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Richard.

I found this site https://regexr.com when I was trying to make a regex
expression that I could use to find GLX calls I used in my stacks excluding
ones that I had already knew I used like glxAppSetProp, glxAppGetProp,
glxAppSetPref, glxAppGetPref.  This was to gauge what I would need to do to
transfer to Levure.


I think this may do some of the things need. As you mouse over parts of the
expression it will explain what it does.  You can also paste sample text to
test your expression on.

BTW Through several rounds of trial and error I came up with this.

(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[Pp]ref\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]ref\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]etPref\b)(\bglx)

This found the the only other GLX handlers I was using were

  glxapp_savePrefs
  glxApp_updateAvailable

Now I have to figure out how to get change these to calls to Levure
equivalents.

Martin





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From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 18:30:52 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:30:52 +0900
Subject: how to refer to a custom prop that is a multidimensional array
In-Reply-To: <1516716122139-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAGeTkx=yH1X_wiKMiOXW1XKzn78q1p3cHgQS=Mvi=tO130GqzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A0BC9F76-60B6-4124-B9C7-7070CD586073@hyperhh.de>
	<1516716122139-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxmobH6hx=BdgK6HaNK1sonuJh1pRr+q+toZs8cv=VQ6tg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Brian and Craig.

Two lines of code? Then, I'll skip using multidimensional custom props.

--
Nicolas Cueto

On 23 January 2018 at 23:02, dunbarx via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Oh.  Now I see. You want to retrieve "interior" elements of an array
> directly
> from a single call to a custom property. As said, I think you have to
> retrieve the property, and then retrieve the element. Two lines of code.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jan 23 19:23:16 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 00:23:16 +0000
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRafKkYhf=gPLUiMFB3vY8149sNz+CreD=U_86RPp2Ai7g@mail.gmail.com>

You could cut it down a bit more...
[GgSs] would replace 2 lines

Could also probably use...
r(ef|op)

(?!glx[Aa]pp_[GgSs]et[Pp]r(ef|op)\(.*\))


On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 5:13 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Richard.
>
> I found this site https://regexr.com when I was trying to make a regex
> expression that I could use to find GLX calls I used in my stacks excluding
> ones that I had already knew I used like glxAppSetProp, glxAppGetProp,
> glxAppSetPref, glxAppGetPref.  This was to gauge what I would need to do to
> transfer to Levure.
>
>
> I think this may do some of the things need. As you mouse over parts of the
> expression it will explain what it does.  You can also paste sample text to
> test your expression on.
>
> BTW Through several rounds of trial and error I came up with this.
>
>
> (?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[Pp]ref\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]ref\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]etPref\b)(\bglx)
>
> This found the the only other GLX handlers I was using were
>
>   glxapp_savePrefs
>   glxApp_updateAvailable
>
> Now I have to figure out how to get change these to calls to Levure
> equivalents.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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From brian at milby7.com  Tue Jan 23 19:23:16 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 00:23:16 +0000
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRafKkYhf=gPLUiMFB3vY8149sNz+CreD=U_86RPp2Ai7g@mail.gmail.com>

You could cut it down a bit more...
[GgSs] would replace 2 lines

Could also probably use...
r(ef|op)

(?!glx[Aa]pp_[GgSs]et[Pp]r(ef|op)\(.*\))


On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 5:13 PM Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Richard.
>
> I found this site https://regexr.com when I was trying to make a regex
> expression that I could use to find GLX calls I used in my stacks excluding
> ones that I had already knew I used like glxAppSetProp, glxAppGetProp,
> glxAppSetPref, glxAppGetPref.  This was to gauge what I would need to do to
> transfer to Levure.
>
>
> I think this may do some of the things need. As you mouse over parts of the
> expression it will explain what it does.  You can also paste sample text to
> test your expression on.
>
> BTW Through several rounds of trial and error I came up with this.
>
>
> (?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[Pp]ref\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]ref\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]etPref\b)(\bglx)
>
> This found the the only other GLX handlers I was using were
>
>   glxapp_savePrefs
>   glxApp_updateAvailable
>
> Now I have to figure out how to get change these to calls to Levure
> equivalents.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
>
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From martyknappster at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 19:34:38 2018
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 16:34:38 -0800
Subject: LC Toolbar
Message-ID: <42825fb7-cc5b-8c5a-aefc-949304d8fd0a@knappstersolutions.com>

So I just installed LC 8.1.8 on my Mac and the toolbar always displays 
whether or not LC is the active app. Is this a "feature?" I tried 
disabling all plugins, etc. What am I missing? Thanks.

Marty K



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 23 21:00:28 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 21:00:28 -0500
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>

well that might do it.
And don't call me "Richard".

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Richard.
>
> I found this site https://regexr.com when I was trying to make a regex
> expression that I could use to find GLX calls I used in my stacks excluding
> ones that I had already knew I used like glxAppSetProp, glxAppGetProp,
> glxAppSetPref, glxAppGetPref.  This was to gauge what I would need to do to
> transfer to Levure.
>
>
> I think this may do some of the things need. As you mouse over parts of the
> expression it will explain what it does.  You can also paste sample text to
> test your expression on.
>
> BTW Through several rounds of trial and error I came up with this.
>
> (?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[Pp]ref\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]ref\
> (.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[
> Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]etPref\b)(\bglx)
>
> This found the the only other GLX handlers I was using were
>
>   glxapp_savePrefs
>   glxApp_updateAvailable
>
> Now I have to figure out how to get change these to calls to Levure
> equivalents.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Revolution-User-f278306.html
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From htorrado at networkdreams.es  Tue Jan 23 21:01:21 2018
From: htorrado at networkdreams.es (Heriberto Torrado)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 21:01:21 -0500
Subject: use SSL inside Mysql connection
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGFoX551Wdu1VhNn++LQ1K+s3dN7oBeGWNuV8j7CNhX2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-hWx1mvDBNMnMzrTDt7pkCwe7L7HVT-Jk4Avc9fZNk-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN3=kBSWnkpACbO5w_azJ5oAX5a8iJJk=615mdNqdjJmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGFoX551Wdu1VhNn++LQ1K+s3dN7oBeGWNuV8j7CNhX2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f27becf2-4986-be8f-ff1d-cb0a417d1510@networkdreams.es>

Hi,

I'm going crazy trying to make a SSL mysql connection from a Livecode Stack.
I was searching information in Livecode dictionary and Livecode guides, 
but there's not much information about that.

I'm developing a small application for a customer.

This applications will be run inside my customer's premises.

I don't want to build a middleware between that database and the 
applications because we don't have the time and resources.

Well, my mysql connection is this:

put revOpenDatabase("MySQL", tserver, tDatabaseName, tuser, tpass, 
useSSL=true, autoReconnect) into tResult

But SSL seems not to work.

My questions are:

Is my string database connection well done?
Where do I have to put the client certificates for my MYSQL database?
Could you please send me a couple of small samples?

Thank you very much in advance.






From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jan 23 22:26:36 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 22:26:36 -0500
Subject: use SSL inside Mysql connection
In-Reply-To: <f27becf2-4986-be8f-ff1d-cb0a417d1510@networkdreams.es>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-hWx1mvDBNMnMzrTDt7pkCwe7L7HVT-Jk4Avc9fZNk-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN3=kBSWnkpACbO5w_azJ5oAX5a8iJJk=615mdNqdjJmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGFoX551Wdu1VhNn++LQ1K+s3dN7oBeGWNuV8j7CNhX2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<f27becf2-4986-be8f-ff1d-cb0a417d1510@networkdreams.es>
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB4ykmx7vTvMG-3CbagqV4JwQQyj5667K8utshwjQ5DMMQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've seen this addressed somewhere ..... have you searched the forum?....
my actual question is does it have to be mysql?

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm going crazy trying to make a SSL mysql connection from a Livecode
> Stack.
> I was searching information in Livecode dictionary and Livecode guides,
> but there's not much information about that.
>
> I'm developing a small application for a customer.
>
> This applications will be run inside my customer's premises.
>
> I don't want to build a middleware between that database and the
> applications because we don't have the time and resources.
>
> Well, my mysql connection is this:
>
> put revOpenDatabase("MySQL", tserver, tDatabaseName, tuser, tpass,
> useSSL=true, autoReconnect) into tResult
>
> But SSL seems not to work.
>
> My questions are:
>
> Is my string database connection well done?
> Where do I have to put the client certificates for my MYSQL database?
> Could you please send me a couple of small samples?
>
> Thank you very much in advance.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jan 23 23:21:06 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 22:21:06 -0600
Subject: LC Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <42825fb7-cc5b-8c5a-aefc-949304d8fd0a@knappstersolutions.com>
References: <42825fb7-cc5b-8c5a-aefc-949304d8fd0a@knappstersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <15f6eae1-f185-1926-10df-8ba47dcf7f7a@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/23/18 6:34 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
> So I just installed LC 8.1.8 on my Mac and the toolbar always displays 
> whether or not LC is the active app. Is this a "feature?" I tried 
> disabling all plugins, etc. What am I missing? Thanks.

Well, it's a separate document window so if you bring one window of 
another app to the front the LC toolbar will still show. The same thing 
happens with any OS X app. I can't remember now if the toolbar used to 
be a palette, it would disappear if so.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 24 01:15:13 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 22:15:13 -0800
Subject: mobile: pick image without importing?
Message-ID: <23f3a15a-a293-9baa-0559-ffe8c19d2acd@fourthworld.com>

Do we have a way to obtain a file path for an image on mobile?

I see mobilePickImage, but it insists on importing a copy of the image, 
and what I'm really after is a reference to the image file.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jbv at souslelogo.com  Wed Jan 24 07:15:34 2018
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:15:34 +0100
Subject: PHP vs LC server + 504 Gateway Timeout
Message-ID: <91237e5cdafe057e521b26eeb12d9d2e.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>

Hi list

On my on-rev account I have a LC script that calls a php script via the
shell, and the php dumps the content of a mySQL db. Then another LC script
(triggered later by another cgi request) builds a zip archive (using
revzip) of the dump + a few small files.
This scripts have been running for years without problem, even if the size
of the db dump was constantly growing.
Then suddenly a couple of days ago, the 2nd script (building the zip
archive) started returning a "504 gateway timeout" error.

As a solution, I modified the 1st script (php) to dump & gzip the db
content in one single pass. And to my surprise, this didn't return any
error, but is also twice faster than the 2nd LC script that was only
zipping the content of the dump.
This was a surprise because I thought that dumping + zipping would be a
heavier task than zipping only, and would take more time...

Any rational explanation for that ?

Thanks in advance
jbv




From mkoob at rogers.com  Wed Jan 24 07:24:31 2018
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 05:24:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1516796671281-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Sorry Mike.   

To reply to the list I use the Nabble site 

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html

It displays the wrong author for the posts (the most recent author who
posted to the list for all the posts) so I just looked at who Nabble
indicated the author was rather than check with the list on the runrev.com
site that show the correct author but which don't allow you to reply to the
list.

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/

I need to be more careful in future.

Martin.











--
Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html



From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 08:36:31 2018
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:36:31 +0000
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike (Shirley? ;-))

I bought this years ago - it's brilliant and it builds a tree of what
everything does

https://www.regexbuddy.com/benefits.html

click on the iamge on the right

Kindest Regards Lagi

On 24 January 2018 at 02:00, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> well that might do it.
> And don't call me "Richard".
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Richard.
> >
> > I found this site https://regexr.com when I was trying to make a regex
> > expression that I could use to find GLX calls I used in my stacks
> excluding
> > ones that I had already knew I used like glxAppSetProp, glxAppGetProp,
> > glxAppSetPref, glxAppGetPref.  This was to gauge what I would need to do
> to
> > transfer to Levure.
> >
> >
> > I think this may do some of the things need. As you mouse over parts of
> the
> > expression it will explain what it does.  You can also paste sample text
> to
> > test your expression on.
> >
> > BTW Through several rounds of trial and error I came up with this.
> >
> > (?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[Pp]ref\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]ref\
> > (.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[
> > Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]etPref\b)(\bglx)
> >
> > This found the the only other GLX handlers I was using were
> >
> >   glxapp_savePrefs
> >   glxApp_updateAvailable
> >
> > Now I have to figure out how to get change these to calls to Levure
> > equivalents.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
> > Revolution-User-f278306.html
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan 24 08:48:11 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:48:11 -0500
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>

@Lagi, yes, exactly.
I found another one last night: regex101.com/  That one is interesting
because it seems to support some expressions that the others do not.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike (Shirley? ;-))
>
> I bought this years ago - it's brilliant and it builds a tree of what
> everything does
>
> https://www.regexbuddy.com/benefits.html
>
> click on the iamge on the right
>
> Kindest Regards Lagi
>
> On 24 January 2018 at 02:00, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > well that might do it.
> > And don't call me "Richard".
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Richard.
> > >
> > > I found this site https://regexr.com when I was trying to make a regex
> > > expression that I could use to find GLX calls I used in my stacks
> > excluding
> > > ones that I had already knew I used like glxAppSetProp, glxAppGetProp,
> > > glxAppSetPref, glxAppGetPref.  This was to gauge what I would need to
> do
> > to
> > > transfer to Levure.
> > >
> > >
> > > I think this may do some of the things need. As you mouse over parts of
> > the
> > > expression it will explain what it does.  You can also paste sample
> text
> > to
> > > test your expression on.
> > >
> > > BTW Through several rounds of trial and error I came up with this.
> > >
> > > (?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[Pp]ref\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]ref\
> > > (.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[
> > > Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]etPref\b)(\bglx)
> > >
> > > This found the the only other GLX handlers I was using were
> > >
> > >   glxapp_savePrefs
> > >   glxApp_updateAvailable
> > >
> > > Now I have to figure out how to get change these to calls to Levure
> > > equivalents.
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
> > > Revolution-User-f278306.html
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan 24 08:58:28 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 08:58:28 -0500
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOBKJGVgSyhnQxtH1eirUwcehY1mBx5bFQ+Lxa932=nVA@mail.gmail.com>

It's amazing how much work it takes to learn enough about this topic to do
something moderately dangerous.  This is my nth attempt to fix the
indenting of LC in Atom and ST.  This time I got some help from King Keith
at ST, but trying to make heads or tails of what he offered (that works
better but not perfectly) is...challenging.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:48 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> @Lagi, yes, exactly.
> I found another one last night: regex101.com/  That one is interesting
> because it seems to support some expressions that the others do not.
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike (Shirley? ;-))
>>
>> I bought this years ago - it's brilliant and it builds a tree of what
>> everything does
>>
>> https://www.regexbuddy.com/benefits.html
>>
>> click on the iamge on the right
>>
>> Kindest Regards Lagi
>>
>> On 24 January 2018 at 02:00, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > well that might do it.
>> > And don't call me "Richard".
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Martin Koob via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Richard.
>> > >
>> > > I found this site https://regexr.com when I was trying to make a
>> regex
>> > > expression that I could use to find GLX calls I used in my stacks
>> > excluding
>> > > ones that I had already knew I used like glxAppSetProp, glxAppGetProp,
>> > > glxAppSetPref, glxAppGetPref.  This was to gauge what I would need to
>> do
>> > to
>> > > transfer to Levure.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I think this may do some of the things need. As you mouse over parts
>> of
>> > the
>> > > expression it will explain what it does.  You can also paste sample
>> text
>> > to
>> > > test your expression on.
>> > >
>> > > BTW Through several rounds of trial and error I came up with this.
>> > >
>> > > (?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[Pp]ref\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]ref\
>> > > (.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]et[Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Gg]et[
>> > > Pp]rop\(.*\))(?!glx[Aa]pp_[Ss]etPref\b)(\bglx)
>> > >
>> > > This found the the only other GLX handlers I was using were
>> > >
>> > >   glxapp_savePrefs
>> > >   glxApp_updateAvailable
>> > >
>> > > Now I have to figure out how to get change these to calls to Levure
>> > > equivalents.
>> > >
>> > > Martin
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Sent from: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/
>> > > Revolution-User-f278306.html
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > use-livecode mailing list
>> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> > > subscription preferences:
>> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >    and did a little diving.
>> > And God said, "This is good."
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> > subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan 24 09:53:50 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:53:50 -0500
Subject: LC Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <15f6eae1-f185-1926-10df-8ba47dcf7f7a@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42825fb7-cc5b-8c5a-aefc-949304d8fd0a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<15f6eae1-f185-1926-10df-8ba47dcf7f7a@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMX8YTUfj8xfeXwrCono-vueUsc=UMSJUHzbqjAwi_y9A@mail.gmail.com>

sounds like it's time for another ide hack and PR...

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:21 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 1/23/18 6:34 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> So I just installed LC 8.1.8 on my Mac and the toolbar always displays
>> whether or not LC is the active app. Is this a "feature?" I tried disabling
>> all plugins, etc. What am I missing? Thanks.
>>
>
> Well, it's a separate document window so if you bring one window of
> another app to the front the LC toolbar will still show. The same thing
> happens with any OS X app. I can't remember now if the toolbar used to be a
> palette, it would disappear if so.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 24 10:36:14 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:36:14 +0000
Subject: use SSL inside Mysql connection
In-Reply-To: <f27becf2-4986-be8f-ff1d-cb0a417d1510@networkdreams.es>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-hWx1mvDBNMnMzrTDt7pkCwe7L7HVT-Jk4Avc9fZNk-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN3=kBSWnkpACbO5w_azJ5oAX5a8iJJk=615mdNqdjJmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGFoX551Wdu1VhNn++LQ1K+s3dN7oBeGWNuV8j7CNhX2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<f27becf2-4986-be8f-ff1d-cb0a417d1510@networkdreams.es>
Message-ID: <F26120DA-AE02-425D-BC1D-2C71E63BA520@iotecdigital.com>

Which version of mySQL? The Windows community version does not support OpenSSL because of licensing restrictions. It uses some other flavor of SSL, which I was never able to get to work. 

Bob S


> On Jan 23, 2018, at 18:01 , Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm going crazy trying to make a SSL mysql connection from a Livecode Stack.
> I was searching information in Livecode dictionary and Livecode guides, but there's not much information about that.
> 
> I'm developing a small application for a customer.
> 
> This applications will be run inside my customer's premises.
> 
> I don't want to build a middleware between that database and the applications because we don't have the time and resources.
> 
> Well, my mysql connection is this:
> 
> put revOpenDatabase("MySQL", tserver, tDatabaseName, tuser, tpass, useSSL=true, autoReconnect) into tResult
> 
> But SSL seems not to work.
> 
> My questions are:
> 
> Is my string database connection well done?
> Where do I have to put the client certificates for my MYSQL database?
> Could you please send me a couple of small samples?
> 
> Thank you very much in advance.




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Jan 24 10:50:24 2018
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:50:24 +0000
Subject: use SSL inside Mysql connection
In-Reply-To: <CAEk4XB4ykmx7vTvMG-3CbagqV4JwQQyj5667K8utshwjQ5DMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-hWx1mvDBNMnMzrTDt7pkCwe7L7HVT-Jk4Avc9fZNk-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN3=kBSWnkpACbO5w_azJ5oAX5a8iJJk=615mdNqdjJmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGFoX551Wdu1VhNn++LQ1K+s3dN7oBeGWNuV8j7CNhX2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<f27becf2-4986-be8f-ff1d-cb0a417d1510@networkdreams.es>
	<CAEk4XB4ykmx7vTvMG-3CbagqV4JwQQyj5667K8utshwjQ5DMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84B1AD1E-C098-452B-B382-FFEC5D5C1293@byu.edu>

Heribito,

Your revOpenDatabase call is incorrectly formed. The useSSL and autoReconnect parameters should be booleans, like this:

put revOpenDatabase(?mysql?, tServer, tDatabaseName, tUser, tPass,true,,,true) into tConnectionID

Note also that you have to put the values into the correct parameter sequence, leaving empty items for params you are not using.

Hope this helps,

Devin



On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com<mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I'm going crazy trying to make a SSL mysql connection from a Livecode
Stack.
I was searching information in Livecode dictionary and Livecode guides,
but there's not much information about that.

I'm developing a small application for a customer.

This applications will be run inside my customer's premises.

I don't want to build a middleware between that database and the
applications because we don't have the time and resources.

Well, my mysql connection is this:

put revOpenDatabase("MySQL", tserver, tDatabaseName, tuser, tpass,
useSSL=true, autoReconnect) into tResult

But SSL seems not to work.

My questions are:

Is my string database connection well done?
Where do I have to put the client certificates for my MYSQL database?
Could you please send me a couple of small samples?

Thank you very much in advance.

Devin Asay
Director
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University


From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 11:33:51 2018
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 16:33:51 +0000
Subject: Bug: in 8.18 Stable and 9 Dp11 legacy stack import
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VD7eVfd+ve1Z44D+pPn7_XWgudxnRiAnxduSZOj3CC4aw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I have just spent a good few hours "playing" - I wished - with the Text
formatting of field.

Specifically It was on LC9 but I then installed 8.1.8 and the problem is on
there as well.
The problem was that all new fields (and old fields) a card had the "BOLD"
textstyle try as I might I couldn't switch off the bold unless I ticked
underline or italic or any other textstyle - There isnt a Plain button as
in version 6 anymore - or I cant find it.
If I press fixedline height and click on italic i can then switch off bold
and italic but it comes back on when i switch fixedline height off.

Anyway I did some more testing and it seems it was because this stack was
originally created in v6.11 - and I moved onto 9 when I got a corruption
that kept coming back - yes I know backups - I had MAXVs backup plugin
running and dropbox version history but they were saving the corrupted
stack although it was all fine and dandy in the IDE.

So the upshot is (I think) one of loading a legacy stack.

On a related note the corrupted stack was "losing" a substack used for
reporting  and a library stack but not alwayat the same time when I was
rebuilding from a working backup. - Lost days.

I wrote a little binary loader and managed to get the code for both stacks
back - so they were both still in the stack but were not showing in the
projectbrowser.

Can someone point me to the file where this loading of stacks is done and
the structure because I think we need some sort of stack loader for some
such instances in the future

Regards Lagi


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 24 13:51:48 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 10:51:48 -0800
Subject: use SSL inside Mysql connection
In-Reply-To: <F26120DA-AE02-425D-BC1D-2C71E63BA520@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F26120DA-AE02-425D-BC1D-2C71E63BA520@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <468ce7c5-4379-3314-e306-e32d03c86312@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:
 > Which version of mySQL? The Windows community version does not support
 > OpenSSL because of licensing restrictions. It uses some other flavor
 > of SSL, which I was never able to get to work.

Why would licensing affect only Windows but not other proprietary OSes?

-- 
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  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan 24 13:52:59 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 18:52:59 +0000
Subject: Bug: in 8.18 Stable and 9 Dp11 legacy stack import
In-Reply-To: <CAG1h1VD7eVfd+ve1Z44D+pPn7_XWgudxnRiAnxduSZOj3CC4aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VD7eVfd+ve1Z44D+pPn7_XWgudxnRiAnxduSZOj3CC4aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZ0qbF2=fqdVP3bzFDBFqF0U2D+HybmdnWv1ObSg72=BQ@mail.gmail.com>

Are you talking about the binary format of a stack file?
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:35 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have just spent a good few hours "playing" - I wished - with the Text
> formatting of field.
>
> Specifically It was on LC9 but I then installed 8.1.8 and the problem is on
> there as well.
> The problem was that all new fields (and old fields) a card had the "BOLD"
> textstyle try as I might I couldn't switch off the bold unless I ticked
> underline or italic or any other textstyle - There isnt a Plain button as
> in version 6 anymore - or I cant find it.
> If I press fixedline height and click on italic i can then switch off bold
> and italic but it comes back on when i switch fixedline height off.
>
> Anyway I did some more testing and it seems it was because this stack was
> originally created in v6.11 - and I moved onto 9 when I got a corruption
> that kept coming back - yes I know backups - I had MAXVs backup plugin
> running and dropbox version history but they were saving the corrupted
> stack although it was all fine and dandy in the IDE.
>
> So the upshot is (I think) one of loading a legacy stack.
>
> On a related note the corrupted stack was "losing" a substack used for
> reporting  and a library stack but not alwayat the same time when I was
> rebuilding from a working backup. - Lost days.
>
> I wrote a little binary loader and managed to get the code for both stacks
> back - so they were both still in the stack but were not showing in the
> projectbrowser.
>
> Can someone point me to the file where this loading of stacks is done and
> the structure because I think we need some sort of stack loader for some
> such instances in the future
>
> Regards Lagi
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 24 13:53:51 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 10:53:51 -0800
Subject: PHP vs LC server + 504 Gateway Timeout
In-Reply-To: <91237e5cdafe057e521b26eeb12d9d2e.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
References: <91237e5cdafe057e521b26eeb12d9d2e.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <2a95471d-199e-cec0-5338-0333e76b09fd@fourthworld.com>

jbv wrote:
 > On my on-rev account I have a LC script that calls a php script via
 > the shell, and the php dumps the content of a mySQL db. Then another
 > LC script (triggered later by another cgi request) builds a zip
 > archive (using revzip) of the dump + a few small files.
 > This scripts have been running for years without problem, even if the
 > size of the db dump was constantly growing.
 > Then suddenly a couple of days ago, the 2nd script (building the zip
 > archive) started returning a "504 gateway timeout" error.
 >
 > As a solution, I modified the 1st script (php) to dump & gzip the db
 > content in one single pass. And to my surprise, this didn't return any
 > error, but is also twice faster than the 2nd LC script that was only
 > zipping the content of the dump.
 > This was a surprise because I thought that dumping + zipping would be
 > a heavier task than zipping only, and would take more time...

Two tasks would seem to take longer than either one of them.

 > Any rational explanation for that ?

If the difference is the language, maybe PHP is dramatically faster than 
LC for that task.

-- 
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  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan 24 14:06:32 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 19:06:32 +0000
Subject: mobile: pick image without importing?
In-Reply-To: <23f3a15a-a293-9baa-0559-ffe8c19d2acd@fourthworld.com>
References: <23f3a15a-a293-9baa-0559-ffe8c19d2acd@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYa1AP58H5oiYdO--qLttFPoFjF4fXREVzWT3eczpEGBw@mail.gmail.com>

I?m not sure this is possible... due to the sandbox you can only see paths
of files in a restricted subset of the file system. You should be able to
roll your own for the places you can see from the app.

Thanks,
Brian
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:16 AM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Do we have a way to obtain a file path for an image on mobile?
>
> I see mobilePickImage, but it insists on importing a copy of the image,
> and what I'm really after is a reference to the image file.
>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 14:14:58 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:14:58 -0800
Subject: Particular behavior
In-Reply-To: <882BDB2B-5CDA-4072-BAB0-00A9372E8E4F@me.com>
References: <882BDB2B-5CDA-4072-BAB0-00A9372E8E4F@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKto-6f9cCj+Fs6a=SADqZQpVXJVO92FyhCf0_kk6+WzAZw@mail.gmail.com>

If I'm understanding correctly, then sure, given the caveat that only
buttons and script-only stacks (and maybe regular stacks?) can be
behaviors. So either:

Put the callback handler(s) that are currently in card ?CardFoo" of stack
?StackFoo? into a button. Set the button as the behavior of the player.

or:

Create a script-only stack. Put the callback handler(s) that are currently
in card ?CardFoo" of stack ?StackFoo? into the script of that stack. Save
the stack someplace relevant to your project, for example, right next to
your project, or in a folder called something like "behaviors" that is
right next to your project. Then set the stack as the behavior for your
player, and remember to set the stackfiles property of the stack the player
is in to include a reference to the new script-only stack.

Work on a copy, or just be careful to document exactly what you do so you
can roll it back if needed.

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 1:25 PM, Peter Bogdanoff via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> With all the discussion of behaviors? I haven?t used behaviors yet, but am
> wondering if that will work in this scenario:
>
> I have a stack ?PlayerFoo? containing a player, the player has callbacks
> set.
> When the player plays, I want the callbacks to be handled by a card script
> in another stack.
>
> I could have a card script in the same card that has the player. This card
> script could have a handler doCallback containing the command:
>
>         send ?doCallback? to card ?CardFoo" of stack ?StackFoo? with
> tCallback
>
> where the callback is then acted on.
>
> Is there a way to apply behaviors to this scenario?
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
> ArtsInteractive
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 14:26:44 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:26:44 -0800
Subject: Navigator now supports converting controls to script-only stack
	behaviors
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>

I now have an alpha version of Navigator that is built entirely using
script-only stack behaviors, and it includes the function I used to do it.
You can download Navigator 5 here
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/bcqxxriwzzjcm45/navigator_5.zip?dl=1>. The full
documentation is here
<https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-documentation/#updates-for-5.0>,
but briefly:

You can highlight any controls in Navigator, including bookmarked controls,
and select Convert to Script-only Stack Behaviors on the Script menu.
Navigator will convert all the scripts of the objects you selected to
script-only behaviors, and update appropriately all the behavior settings
and stackfiles to make it work. You can select the folder you want to
create the new stackfiles in. Navigator offers to put a log of exactly what
it did in the message box, and if there are any chained behaviors included,
Navigator will include the lines of script you need to run to make them
work whenever you load the project. Navigator will optionally work on
controls with empty scripts, so you can "pre-behavior" a project before
starting to script it.

I think this is completely functional and safe to use. BUT I've only tested
on local projects that I created (including Navigator). Use at your own
risk, always work on a copy, etc., etc.

TBD:

Recursive conversion, so you can select a group, card, or stack, and just
say, "Convert everything in here."

Customizable stack names for the script-only stacks. Currently it's stack
name, control name, control id, and an index if there is a collision.

If you have any feedback or questions, let me know.

gc


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 14:34:09 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:34:09 -0800
Subject: Chained behavior performance seems fine
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtq-K+CgU7L36esPetF85BfaRnHS7dfY1AjFoiP95WUVww@mail.gmail.com>

I was curious about the performance of chained behaviors, so I created a
stack to time them. I compared a button with a behavior to a button with a
chain of 100 behaviors, with the code in the very last button.

The performance diving through 99 extra behavior links was pretty decent --
I was calling this simple function:

function test100
    return 100
end test100

Calling it 1,000,000 times through one behavior took about 1.0 seconds,
calling it the same number of times through 100 behaviors took about 2.4
seconds.

Given that 100 behaviors is an absurd depth to go to, that seems perfectly
reasonable.


From martyknappster at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 14:43:45 2018
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:43:45 -0800
Subject: LC Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMX8YTUfj8xfeXwrCono-vueUsc=UMSJUHzbqjAwi_y9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42825fb7-cc5b-8c5a-aefc-949304d8fd0a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<15f6eae1-f185-1926-10df-8ba47dcf7f7a@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycMX8YTUfj8xfeXwrCono-vueUsc=UMSJUHzbqjAwi_y9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f00c2a2-740c-7a17-975e-27e9236e4e5a@knappstersolutions.com>

But it isn't like this in LC 6.6.5 (didn't use anything in between). If 
I'm in the Finder the top LC toolbar obscures anything behind it on the 
desktop and I am unable to access folders and files I have there. Maybe 
I haven't explained myself well. Here's a screenshot of the top of my 
screen while LC is launched but Finder is at the front:

<http://martyknapp.on-rev.com/test/LC_Toolbar.png>

This is happening on both my iMac and MacbookPro. If it's a feature, can 
I change it? If it's a bug I'll file a report. I'm just surprised nobody 
else is seeing this or finding it annoying. I shouldn't have to quit LC 
to get to folders at the top of my screen. For now I've set my "View" to 
"Toolbar Text" only (no icons) - that narrows it enough that I can 
access stuff at the top of my screen.

Marty
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:21 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/23/18 6:34 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>>
>>> So I just installed LC 8.1.8 on my Mac and the toolbar always displays
>>> whether or not LC is the active app. Is this a "feature?" I tried disabling
>>> all plugins, etc. What am I missing? Thanks.
>>>
>> Well, it's a separate document window so if you bring one window of
>> another app to the front the LC toolbar will still show. The same thing
>> happens with any OS X app. I can't remember now if the toolbar used to be a
>> palette, it would disappear if so.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 24 15:09:44 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 14:09:44 -0600
Subject: LC Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <6f00c2a2-740c-7a17-975e-27e9236e4e5a@knappstersolutions.com>
References: <42825fb7-cc5b-8c5a-aefc-949304d8fd0a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<15f6eae1-f185-1926-10df-8ba47dcf7f7a@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycMX8YTUfj8xfeXwrCono-vueUsc=UMSJUHzbqjAwi_y9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f00c2a2-740c-7a17-975e-27e9236e4e5a@knappstersolutions.com>
Message-ID: <9075ce12-7ffd-b9d2-1607-dbcb077e23ef@hyperactivesw.com>

I get the same thing, but it hasn't bothered me. If LC is frontmost and 
you click on the desktop, the toolbar remains as you describe. But if 
you click on the Finder icon in the dock, or use Cmd-tab to cycle to 
another app, the toolbar is moved behind the frontmost app. Since I use 
Cmd-tab a lot, I've hardly noticed.

Basically any command the brings an app completely to the front will 
remove the toolbar from view. If you use OS X's ability to intersperse 
app windows, then the toolbar remains since it's a window like any other.

On 1/24/18 1:43 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
> But it isn't like this in LC 6.6.5 (didn't use anything in between). If 
> I'm in the Finder the top LC toolbar obscures anything behind it on the 
> desktop and I am unable to access folders and files I have there. Maybe 
> I haven't explained myself well. Here's a screenshot of the top of my 
> screen while LC is launched but Finder is at the front:
> 
> <http://martyknapp.on-rev.com/test/LC_Toolbar.png>
> 
> This is happening on both my iMac and MacbookPro. If it's a feature, can 
> I change it? If it's a bug I'll file a report. I'm just surprised nobody 
> else is seeing this or finding it annoying. I shouldn't have to quit LC 
> to get to folders at the top of my screen. For now I've set my "View" to 
> "Toolbar Text" only (no icons) - that narrows it enough that I can 
> access stuff at the top of my screen.
> 
> Marty
>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:21 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/23/18 6:34 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>>>
>>>> So I just installed LC 8.1.8 on my Mac and the toolbar always displays
>>>> whether or not LC is the active app. Is this a "feature?" I tried 
>>>> disabling
>>>> all plugins, etc. What am I missing? Thanks.
>>>>
>>> Well, it's a separate document window so if you bring one window of
>>> another app to the front the LC toolbar will still show. The same thing
>>> happens with any OS X app. I can't remember now if the toolbar used 
>>> to be a
>>> palette, it would disappear if so.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay???????? |???? jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software?????????? |???? http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>
> 
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 15:16:52 2018
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 22:16:52 +0200
Subject: LC Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <9075ce12-7ffd-b9d2-1607-dbcb077e23ef@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42825fb7-cc5b-8c5a-aefc-949304d8fd0a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<15f6eae1-f185-1926-10df-8ba47dcf7f7a@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycMX8YTUfj8xfeXwrCono-vueUsc=UMSJUHzbqjAwi_y9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f00c2a2-740c-7a17-975e-27e9236e4e5a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<9075ce12-7ffd-b9d2-1607-dbcb077e23ef@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <d7ede8f5-6e0c-1b80-e0cd-f61bef868dec@gmail.com>

I am getting this thing on Mac OS 10.7.5 and I like it as I don't have 
to keep
fossicking around down on the Dock to find the relevant LC/RR icon
(I've currently got 9 different ones on my Dock) if Im switching back 
and forth
between GIMP and LiveCode (my 2 favourite apps regardless of platform).

Richmond.

On 24/1/2018 10:09 pm, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> I get the same thing, but it hasn't bothered me. If LC is frontmost 
> and you click on the desktop, the toolbar remains as you describe. But 
> if you click on the Finder icon in the dock, or use Cmd-tab to cycle 
> to another app, the toolbar is moved behind the frontmost app. Since I 
> use Cmd-tab a lot, I've hardly noticed.
>
> Basically any command the brings an app completely to the front will 
> remove the toolbar from view. If you use OS X's ability to intersperse 
> app windows, then the toolbar remains since it's a window like any other.
>
> On 1/24/18 1:43 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>> But it isn't like this in LC 6.6.5 (didn't use anything in between). 
>> If I'm in the Finder the top LC toolbar obscures anything behind it 
>> on the desktop and I am unable to access folders and files I have 
>> there. Maybe I haven't explained myself well. Here's a screenshot of 
>> the top of my screen while LC is launched but Finder is at the front:
>>
>> <http://martyknapp.on-rev.com/test/LC_Toolbar.png>
>>
>> This is happening on both my iMac and MacbookPro. If it's a feature, 
>> can I change it? If it's a bug I'll file a report. I'm just surprised 
>> nobody else is seeing this or finding it annoying. I shouldn't have 
>> to quit LC to get to folders at the top of my screen. For now I've 
>> set my "View" to "Toolbar Text" only (no icons) - that narrows it 
>> enough that I can access stuff at the top of my screen.
>>
>> Marty
>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:21 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/23/18 6:34 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So I just installed LC 8.1.8 on my Mac and the toolbar always 
>>>>> displays
>>>>> whether or not LC is the active app. Is this a "feature?" I tried 
>>>>> disabling
>>>>> all plugins, etc. What am I missing? Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, it's a separate document window so if you bring one window of
>>>> another app to the front the LC toolbar will still show. The same 
>>>> thing
>>>> happens with any OS X app. I can't remember now if the toolbar used 
>>>> to be a
>>>> palette, it would disappear if so.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software           | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>
>>
>>
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Wed Jan 24 15:18:31 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 21:18:31 +0100
Subject: LC Toolbar
Message-ID: <49701F15-9BD0-472A-AAA6-E3B837625E58@hyperhh.de>

TMHO it as a feature. Another comfort way to bring LC to front:
Click on a pixel between the toolbar sections (I use "Toolbar Text" only).

** 1. You have the option to hide the "Toolbar":

[a] by script: hide stack "revMenubar"
[b] use Menu View: uncheck "Toolbar Text" and uncheck "Toolbar icons"

** 2. Yet another option is (to have the LC 6 behavior):

set style of stack "revMenubar" to "palette"
(issue once after each LC's startup).




From paul at livecode.org  Wed Jan 24 15:19:13 2018
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:19:13 -0800
Subject: LC Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <9075ce12-7ffd-b9d2-1607-dbcb077e23ef@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <42825fb7-cc5b-8c5a-aefc-949304d8fd0a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<15f6eae1-f185-1926-10df-8ba47dcf7f7a@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycMX8YTUfj8xfeXwrCono-vueUsc=UMSJUHzbqjAwi_y9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f00c2a2-740c-7a17-975e-27e9236e4e5a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<9075ce12-7ffd-b9d2-1607-dbcb077e23ef@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9FA1BD27-7796-42E7-A0D3-018D7B79987D@livecode.org>

LiveCode isn?t the only app to leave windows visible, so I?ve become used to typing Cmd-Alt-H if I switch to another app or the finder and there?s something in the way that doesn?t belong to the app in front.

 Cmd-Alt-H is a system wide short-cut to ?Hide Others?, so it should work in most apps and normally shows under the app menu.

Paul

> On Jan 24, 2018, at 12:09 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I get the same thing, but it hasn't bothered me. If LC is frontmost and you click on the desktop, the toolbar remains as you describe. But if you click on the Finder icon in the dock, or use Cmd-tab to cycle to another app, the toolbar is moved behind the frontmost app. Since I use Cmd-tab a lot, I've hardly noticed.
> 
> Basically any command the brings an app completely to the front will remove the toolbar from view. If you use OS X's ability to intersperse app windows, then the toolbar remains since it's a window like any other.
> 
> On 1/24/18 1:43 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>> But it isn't like this in LC 6.6.5 (didn't use anything in between). If I'm in the Finder the top LC toolbar obscures anything behind it on the desktop and I am unable to access folders and files I have there. Maybe I haven't explained myself well. Here's a screenshot of the top of my screen while LC is launched but Finder is at the front:
>> <http://martyknapp.on-rev.com/test/LC_Toolbar.png>
>> This is happening on both my iMac and MacbookPro. If it's a feature, can I change it? If it's a bug I'll file a report. I'm just surprised nobody else is seeing this or finding it annoying. I shouldn't have to quit LC to get to folders at the top of my screen. For now I've set my "View" to "Toolbar Text" only (no icons) - that narrows it enough that I can access stuff at the top of my screen.
>> Marty
>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:21 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 1/23/18 6:34 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> So I just installed LC 8.1.8 on my Mac and the toolbar always displays
>>>>> whether or not LC is the active app. Is this a "feature?" I tried disabling
>>>>> all plugins, etc. What am I missing? Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>> Well, it's a separate document window so if you bring one window of
>>>> another app to the front the LC toolbar will still show. The same thing
>>>> happens with any OS X app. I can't remember now if the toolbar used to be a
>>>> palette, it would disappear if so.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> 
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> 
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> 
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Wed Jan 24 15:36:54 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 21:36:54 +0100
Subject: LC Toolbar
Message-ID: <C649123B-495C-4368-B037-9910E76E3758@hyperhh.de>

> TMHO it is a feature. Another comfort way to bring LC to front:
> Click on a pixel between the toolbar sections (I use "Toolbar Text" only).
> 
> ** 1. You have the option to hide the "Toolbar":
> 
> [a] by script: hide stack "revMenubar"
> [b] use Menu View: uncheck "Toolbar Text" and uncheck "Toolbar icons"
> 
> ** 2. Yet another option is (to have the LC 6 behavior):
> 
> set style of stack "revMenubar" to "palette"
> (issue once after each LC's startup).

Forgot to say: The above 1. and 2. works always, not only on MacOS.
So you can use it for your cross-platform-thingies.



From martyknappster at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 15:43:34 2018
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:43:34 -0800
Subject: LC Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <C649123B-495C-4368-B037-9910E76E3758@hyperhh.de>
References: <C649123B-495C-4368-B037-9910E76E3758@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <29089f20-bc4c-680d-51d3-2603bcd52695@knappstersolutions.com>

I had resorted to the "Toolbar Text" only option but I will try setting 
the revMenubar to palette - I have a stack that automatically opens when 
LC boots and I'll stick that in there.

Thanks all for your input.

Marty
>> TMHO it is a feature. Another comfort way to bring LC to front:
>> Click on a pixel between the toolbar sections (I use "Toolbar Text" only).
>>
>> ** 1. You have the option to hide the "Toolbar":
>>
>> [a] by script: hide stack "revMenubar"
>> [b] use Menu View: uncheck "Toolbar Text" and uncheck "Toolbar icons"
>>
>> ** 2. Yet another option is (to have the LC 6 behavior):
>>
>> set style of stack "revMenubar" to "palette"
>> (issue once after each LC's startup).
> Forgot to say: The above 1. and 2. works always, not only on MacOS.
> So you can use it for your cross-platform-thingies.
>
> ___




From hh at hyperhh.de  Wed Jan 24 15:53:48 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 21:53:48 +0100
Subject: mobile: pick image without importing?
Message-ID: <34E7CDF1-E13D-47AC-B1CC-DB406298B8D4@hyperhh.de>

> Do we have a way to obtain a file path for an image on mobile?
> I see mobilePickImage, but it insists on importing a copy of the
> image, and what I'm really after is a reference to the image file. 

Why not set the defaultFolder and use "the files"?
Or use the files(<targetFolder>)?



From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan 24 15:59:11 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 20:59:11 +0000
Subject: Chained behavior performance seems fine
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtq-K+CgU7L36esPetF85BfaRnHS7dfY1AjFoiP95WUVww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtq-K+CgU7L36esPetF85BfaRnHS7dfY1AjFoiP95WUVww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRamAdQNvYFWkHO=WDA8eHpu8LTheP8VOCs2mQ2e2vm8Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, I hope you scripted setting up that test...
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:35 PM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I was curious about the performance of chained behaviors, so I created a
> stack to time them. I compared a button with a behavior to a button with a
> chain of 100 behaviors, with the code in the very last button.
>
> The performance diving through 99 extra behavior links was pretty decent --
> I was calling this simple function:
>
> function test100
>     return 100
> end test100
>
> Calling it 1,000,000 times through one behavior took about 1.0 seconds,
> calling it the same number of times through 100 behaviors took about 2.4
> seconds.
>
> Given that 100 behaviors is an absurd depth to go to, that seems perfectly
> reasonable.
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From rmetzker at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 16:00:02 2018
From: rmetzker at gmail.com (Ron Metzker)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:00:02 -0800
Subject: LC Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <9FA1BD27-7796-42E7-A0D3-018D7B79987D@livecode.org>
References: <42825fb7-cc5b-8c5a-aefc-949304d8fd0a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<15f6eae1-f185-1926-10df-8ba47dcf7f7a@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycMX8YTUfj8xfeXwrCono-vueUsc=UMSJUHzbqjAwi_y9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f00c2a2-740c-7a17-975e-27e9236e4e5a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<9075ce12-7ffd-b9d2-1607-dbcb077e23ef@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9FA1BD27-7796-42E7-A0D3-018D7B79987D@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <153D38CD-F5ED-4B83-BFB1-D5E770DA6114@gmail.com>

You can also just hide LiveCode windows before you leave it. Very similar command to what Paul mentions here. Just use Cmd-H and it will hide all of LiveCodes windows without hiding anything else. If you want a completely clear desktop and other apps are open, just do what Paul suggests and hide everything but the finder by Cmd-Alt-H. To get back to LiveCode, you can either Cmd-Tab to it or click the icon in the dock.

Ron 

> On Jan 24, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> LiveCode isn?t the only app to leave windows visible, so I?ve become used to typing Cmd-Alt-H if I switch to another app or the finder and there?s something in the way that doesn?t belong to the app in front.
> 
> Cmd-Alt-H is a system wide short-cut to ?Hide Others?, so it should work in most apps and normally shows under the app menu.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 12:09 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I get the same thing, but it hasn't bothered me. If LC is frontmost and you click on the desktop, the toolbar remains as you describe. But if you click on the Finder icon in the dock, or use Cmd-tab to cycle to another app, the toolbar is moved behind the frontmost app. Since I use Cmd-tab a lot, I've hardly noticed.
>> 
>> Basically any command the brings an app completely to the front will remove the toolbar from view. If you use OS X's ability to intersperse app windows, then the toolbar remains since it's a window like any other.
>> 
>> On 1/24/18 1:43 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>>> But it isn't like this in LC 6.6.5 (didn't use anything in between). If I'm in the Finder the top LC toolbar obscures anything behind it on the desktop and I am unable to access folders and files I have there. Maybe I haven't explained myself well. Here's a screenshot of the top of my screen while LC is launched but Finder is at the front:
>>> <http://martyknapp.on-rev.com/test/LC_Toolbar.png>
>>> This is happening on both my iMac and MacbookPro. If it's a feature, can I change it? If it's a bug I'll file a report. I'm just surprised nobody else is seeing this or finding it annoying. I shouldn't have to quit LC to get to folders at the top of my screen. For now I've set my "View" to "Toolbar Text" only (no icons) - that narrows it enough that I can access stuff at the top of my screen.
>>> Marty
>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:21 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/23/18 6:34 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I just installed LC 8.1.8 on my Mac and the toolbar always displays
>>>>>> whether or not LC is the active app. Is this a "feature?" I tried disabling
>>>>>> all plugins, etc. What am I missing? Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, it's a separate document window so if you bring one window of
>>>>> another app to the front the LC toolbar will still show. The same thing
>>>>> happens with any OS X app. I can't remember now if the toolbar used to be a
>>>>> palette, it would disappear if so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From brian at milby7.com  Wed Jan 24 16:01:27 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 21:01:27 +0000
Subject: Navigator now supports converting controls to script-only stack
	behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaQ1op7xqj+m8eim2kV1=2Gk+k=521z1GTNLma6E7M7=w@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds very cool. Can?t wait to take it for a test drive.
On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:27 PM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I now have an alpha version of Navigator that is built entirely using
> script-only stack behaviors, and it includes the function I used to do it.
> You can download Navigator 5 here
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/bcqxxriwzzjcm45/navigator_5.zip?dl=1>. The full
> documentation is here
> <https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-documentation/#updates-for-5.0>,
> but briefly:
>
> You can highlight any controls in Navigator, including bookmarked controls,
> and select Convert to Script-only Stack Behaviors on the Script menu.
> Navigator will convert all the scripts of the objects you selected to
> script-only behaviors, and update appropriately all the behavior settings
> and stackfiles to make it work. You can select the folder you want to
> create the new stackfiles in. Navigator offers to put a log of exactly what
> it did in the message box, and if there are any chained behaviors included,
> Navigator will include the lines of script you need to run to make them
> work whenever you load the project. Navigator will optionally work on
> controls with empty scripts, so you can "pre-behavior" a project before
> starting to script it.
>
> I think this is completely functional and safe to use. BUT I've only tested
> on local projects that I created (including Navigator). Use at your own
> risk, always work on a copy, etc., etc.
>
> TBD:
>
> Recursive conversion, so you can select a group, card, or stack, and just
> say, "Convert everything in here."
>
> Customizable stack names for the script-only stacks. Currently it's stack
> name, control name, control id, and an index if there is a collision.
>
> If you have any feedback or questions, let me know.
>
> gc
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 24 16:01:47 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:01:47 -0600
Subject: mobile: pick image without importing?
In-Reply-To: <34E7CDF1-E13D-47AC-B1CC-DB406298B8D4@hyperhh.de>
References: <34E7CDF1-E13D-47AC-B1CC-DB406298B8D4@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <d4d964ca-f592-695d-d93e-11768c949e29@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/24/18 2:53 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote:
>> Do we have a way to obtain a file path for an image on mobile?
>> I see mobilePickImage, but it insists on importing a copy of the
>> image, and what I'm really after is a reference to the image file.
> 
> Why not set the defaultFolder and use "the files"?
> Or use the files(<targetFolder>)?

That's the usual way, but on mobile you can only access the files in 
your app's sandbox. MobilePickImage allows the user to access external 
images via the OS API but as far as I know it does not share file 
locations with the calling app for security reasons.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 24 16:03:16 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 22:03:16 +0100
Subject: LC Toolbar
In-Reply-To: <153D38CD-F5ED-4B83-BFB1-D5E770DA6114@gmail.com>
References: <42825fb7-cc5b-8c5a-aefc-949304d8fd0a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<15f6eae1-f185-1926-10df-8ba47dcf7f7a@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycMX8YTUfj8xfeXwrCono-vueUsc=UMSJUHzbqjAwi_y9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f00c2a2-740c-7a17-975e-27e9236e4e5a@knappstersolutions.com>
	<9075ce12-7ffd-b9d2-1607-dbcb077e23ef@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9FA1BD27-7796-42E7-A0D3-018D7B79987D@livecode.org>
	<153D38CD-F5ED-4B83-BFB1-D5E770DA6114@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E886F86B-8655-4FC7-9B86-8B882751BE61@major-k.de>

Or just get used to ALT-Click in the FINDER/desktop or any other icon in the Dock. :-)

> Am 24.01.2018 um 22:00 schrieb Ron Metzker via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> You can also just hide LiveCode windows before you leave it. Very similar command to what Paul mentions here. Just use Cmd-H and it will hide all of LiveCodes windows without hiding anything else. If you want a completely clear desktop and other apps are open, just do what Paul suggests and hide everything but the finder by Cmd-Alt-H. To get back to LiveCode, you can either Cmd-Tab to it or click the icon in the dock.
> 
> Ron 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 12:19 PM, Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> LiveCode isn?t the only app to leave windows visible, so I?ve become used to typing Cmd-Alt-H if I switch to another app or the finder and there?s something in the way that doesn?t belong to the app in front.
>> 
>> Cmd-Alt-H is a system wide short-cut to ?Hide Others?, so it should work in most apps and normally shows under the app menu.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2018, at 12:09 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I get the same thing, but it hasn't bothered me. If LC is frontmost and you click on the desktop, the toolbar remains as you describe. But if you click on the Finder icon in the dock, or use Cmd-tab to cycle to another app, the toolbar is moved behind the frontmost app. Since I use Cmd-tab a lot, I've hardly noticed.
>>> 
>>> Basically any command the brings an app completely to the front will remove the toolbar from view. If you use OS X's ability to intersperse app windows, then the toolbar remains since it's a window like any other.
>>> 
>>> On 1/24/18 1:43 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> But it isn't like this in LC 6.6.5 (didn't use anything in between). If I'm in the Finder the top LC toolbar obscures anything behind it on the desktop and I am unable to access folders and files I have there. Maybe I haven't explained myself well. Here's a screenshot of the top of my screen while LC is launched but Finder is at the front:
>>>> <http://martyknapp.on-rev.com/test/LC_Toolbar.png>
>>>> This is happening on both my iMac and MacbookPro. If it's a feature, can I change it? If it's a bug I'll file a report. I'm just surprised nobody else is seeing this or finding it annoying. I shouldn't have to quit LC to get to folders at the top of my screen. For now I've set my "View" to "Toolbar Text" only (no icons) - that narrows it enough that I can access stuff at the top of my screen.
>>>> Marty
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 11:21 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/23/18 6:34 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I just installed LC 8.1.8 on my Mac and the toolbar always displays
>>>>>>> whether or not LC is the active app. Is this a "feature?" I tried disabling
>>>>>>> all plugins, etc. What am I missing? Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, it's a separate document window so if you bring one window of
>>>>>> another app to the front the LC toolbar will still show. The same thing
>>>>>> happens with any OS X app. I can't remember now if the toolbar used to be a
>>>>>> palette, it would disappear if so.

Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 24 16:04:51 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 21:04:51 +0000
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>

That's because there are several flavors of RegEx. Nice huh?

RegEx is in my opinion the top choice for inducing insanity. I have a utility where you type in what you start with and what you want to end up with and it tries to figure out the regex for it. It's less than perfect as you can imagine. 

While RegEx is really handy when you need it, my feeling is to avoid it if at all possible. 

Bob S


> On Jan 24, 2018, at 05:48 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> @Lagi, yes, exactly.
> I found another one last night: regex101.com/  That one is interesting
> because it seems to support some expressions that the others do not.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 24 16:07:31 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 21:07:31 +0000
Subject: use SSL inside Mysql connection
In-Reply-To: <468ce7c5-4379-3314-e306-e32d03c86312@fourthworld.com>
References: <F26120DA-AE02-425D-BC1D-2C71E63BA520@iotecdigital.com>
	<468ce7c5-4379-3314-e306-e32d03c86312@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BB1C2A55-64D5-4BF9-A090-58E62B2BC851@iotecdigital.com>

It doesn't. It's the community version that cannot bind OpenSSL. The Mac version that comes with OS X Server is not the community version and therefore supports OpenSSL. That is why I mentioned Windows. If he is running a MacOS X Server, SSL should just work. 

Bob S


> On Jan 24, 2018, at 10:51 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > Which version of mySQL? The Windows community version does not support
> > OpenSSL because of licensing restrictions. It uses some other flavor
> > of SSL, which I was never able to get to work.
> 
> Why would licensing affect only Windows but not other proprietary OSes?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 24 16:10:45 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 21:10:45 +0000
Subject: Bug: in 8.18 Stable and 9 Dp11 legacy stack import
In-Reply-To: <CAG1h1VD7eVfd+ve1Z44D+pPn7_XWgudxnRiAnxduSZOj3CC4aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VD7eVfd+ve1Z44D+pPn7_XWgudxnRiAnxduSZOj3CC4aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <047E83A3-82C9-41EB-8201-FD01E717B906@iotecdigital.com>

Have you tried setting the font, size and textstyle of the stack itself? That is where new fields get there properties, and old fields will use the stacks properties if nothing specific is set for a specific field. 

Try typing "put  the textstyle of the mainstack" into the message box and see what you get. 

Bob S



> On Jan 24, 2018, at 08:33 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I have just spent a good few hours "playing" - I wished - with the Text
> formatting of field.
> 
> Specifically It was on LC9 but I then installed 8.1.8 and the problem is on
> there as well.
> The problem was that all new fields (and old fields) a card had the "BOLD"
> textstyle try as I might I couldn't switch off the bold unless I ticked
> underline or italic or any other textstyle - There isnt a Plain button as
> in version 6 anymore - or I cant find it.
> If I press fixedline height and click on italic i can then switch off bold
> and italic but it comes back on when i switch fixedline height off.




From htorrado at networkdreams.es  Wed Jan 24 17:13:53 2018
From: htorrado at networkdreams.es (Heriberto Torrado)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:13:53 -0500
Subject: use SSL inside Mysql connection
In-Reply-To: <CAEk4XB4ykmx7vTvMG-3CbagqV4JwQQyj5667K8utshwjQ5DMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpDz4_vNfOaNqXWHd0Ni7pOG8g3h++Edh2y8PzPqe1chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMr4b79_9W5MD19JWBqGCK_2q-hM7u_yQYWeE5iTS0sdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-fQYACMeO9a-Vv+g_uJbtGQdgf_sXS-jdmrYM_BvM6Yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoXb0D+FFbtTqYSE8tjxqEeEMjYFEv1Cwr1QaOg8c=GoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_kM9Qk3AZtOPDA-AGh-dJ_rys3K0x3VUWdzj8ObSA4zA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpH-vBZ8pTin-Tw5z13MGw7RULnKZnuHv0ee3eHE-Pttw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-hWx1mvDBNMnMzrTDt7pkCwe7L7HVT-Jk4Avc9fZNk-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN3=kBSWnkpACbO5w_azJ5oAX5a8iJJk=615mdNqdjJmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGFoX551Wdu1VhNn++LQ1K+s3dN7oBeGWNuV8j7CNhX2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<f27becf2-4986-be8f-ff1d-cb0a417d1510@networkdreams.es>
	<CAEk4XB4ykmx7vTvMG-3CbagqV4JwQQyj5667K8utshwjQ5DMMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ad9d2a0-beab-ef4a-64d2-be034cebd684@networkdreams.es>

Hi Tom,

No, I did not search in the forum.
I will do that.

Our project is with Mysql and we don't have the time to switch to 
another database (PostreSQL).
We have a lot of data and queries running with Mysql.

Thanks a lot.


On 01/23/2018 10:26 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> I've seen this addressed somewhere ..... have you searched the forum?....
> my actual question is does it have to be mysql?
>
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm going crazy trying to make a SSL mysql connection from a Livecode
>> Stack.
>> I was searching information in Livecode dictionary and Livecode guides,
>> but there's not much information about that.
>>
>> I'm developing a small application for a customer.
>>
>> This applications will be run inside my customer's premises.
>>
>> I don't want to build a middleware between that database and the
>> applications because we don't have the time and resources.
>>
>> Well, my mysql connection is this:
>>
>> put revOpenDatabase("MySQL", tserver, tDatabaseName, tuser, tpass,
>> useSSL=true, autoReconnect) into tResult
>>
>> But SSL seems not to work.
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> Is my string database connection well done?
>> Where do I have to put the client certificates for my MYSQL database?
>> Could you please send me a couple of small samples?
>>
>> Thank you very much in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From hh at hyperhh.de  Wed Jan 24 17:27:30 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:27:30 +0100
Subject: mobile: pick image without importing?
Message-ID: <3093D99F-2A71-4B40-9CB3-24218215F656@hyperhh.de>

Of course sandboxed files only. Getting file locations (or listings) outside
of that is violating privacy. Who is interested in that?



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jan 24 18:07:56 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:07:56 -0600
Subject: mobile: pick image without importing?
In-Reply-To: <3093D99F-2A71-4B40-9CB3-24218215F656@hyperhh.de>
References: <3093D99F-2A71-4B40-9CB3-24218215F656@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <82b40fdb-740e-ed07-4679-4ae62fe45cc6@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/24/18 4:27 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote:
> Of course sandboxed files only. Getting file locations (or listings) outside
> of that is violating privacy. Who is interested in that?

:) I'm amazed how many people leave their security webcams unprotected.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 24 18:12:42 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:12:42 +0000
Subject: mobile: pick image without importing?
In-Reply-To: <82b40fdb-740e-ed07-4679-4ae62fe45cc6@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <3093D99F-2A71-4B40-9CB3-24218215F656@hyperhh.de>
	<82b40fdb-740e-ed07-4679-4ae62fe45cc6@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <27C515D3-F4A4-4449-BA0D-4E11593D27DA@iotecdigital.com>

Oh crap! (looks frantically for a roll of masking tape)

Bob S


> On Jan 24, 2018, at 15:07 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 1/24/18 4:27 PM, hh via use-livecode wrote:
>> Of course sandboxed files only. Getting file locations (or listings) outside
>> of that is violating privacy. Who is interested in that?
> 
> :) I'm amazed how many people leave their security webcams unprotected.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 24 18:25:31 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:25:31 -0800
Subject: mobile: pick image without importing?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRYa1AP58H5oiYdO--qLttFPoFjF4fXREVzWT3eczpEGBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRYa1AP58H5oiYdO--qLttFPoFjF4fXREVzWT3eczpEGBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c386a741-9e6f-cb96-7921-1bec93c19aa7@fourthworld.com>

Brian Milby wrote:

 > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:16 AM Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> Do we have a way to obtain a file path for an image on mobile?
 >>
 >> I see mobilePickImage, but it insists on importing a copy of the
 >> image, and what I'm really after is a reference to the image file.
 >
 > I?m not sure this is possible... due to the sandbox you can only see
 > paths of files in a restricted subset of the file system.

I figured as much, but it seems odd to allow file paths for audio and 
video files, yet not for images.

(Then again, I can't say for sure mobilePickMedia works at all since it 
only returns empty on Android in v9dp11).

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 24 18:28:02 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:28:02 -0800
Subject: mobile: pick image without importing?
In-Reply-To: <3093D99F-2A71-4B40-9CB3-24218215F656@hyperhh.de>
References: <3093D99F-2A71-4B40-9CB3-24218215F656@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <09e080ac-70e2-8292-a94a-7d1930744305@fourthworld.com>

hh wrote:

 > Of course sandboxed files only. Getting file locations (or listings)
 > outside of that is violating privacy. Who is interested in that?

App developers who ask the user's permission for access, just like we do 
for audio and video files which (thankfully) can be referenced without 
requiring a wasteful copy just to display.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 24 18:56:00 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:56:00 +0000
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
Message-ID: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I want to prevent going to a modal login stack when I save as standalone, or at least not go modally. Right now I have to change the login stack to TopLevel each and every time I save as standalone and it opens. Is there some environment variable that gets set when this is happening? 

Bob S




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 24 19:58:29 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 00:58:29 +0000
Subject: RevQueryDatabase error in standalone
Message-ID: <050E4205-6386-4587-AFCD-55475F01E786@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

In dev mode I create a memory database, populate it, query it everythign works fine. In a standalone however, the app throws an error when I call revQueryDatabase. I have verified all the inclusions are included for sqLite and database operations. Any known issues? sqlYoga works fine with a mySQL database, and it has to be using the Database API too, so it has to be an issue with using a memory based database in a standalone. 

Bob S


From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Jan 24 19:59:55 2018
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 00:59:55 +0000
Subject: problem with fullscreen option on HTML5 apps
Message-ID: <1C073C94-A5E8-49AF-8D8F-205D667827C4@unimelb.edu.au>

I?ve been trying out the fullscreen option (via the checkbox on the automatically generated HTML page) on a couple of interactive learning apps I?m working on, and while they display nicely it seems to muck up the object coordinates (9.0.0 dp 10/11 ? Mac, any browser) so that clicking or dragging an object is a hit and miss affair (or doesn?t work at all). Does anyone have any insights on whether it is possible to work around this issue, or if it?s a known bug (couldn?t find anything in the QA centre) whether it?s likely to get some attention in the near future?

Terry...

From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Wed Jan 24 20:26:52 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:26:52 -0800
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>

On 01/24/2018 03:56 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> I want to prevent going to a modal login stack when I save as standalone, or at least not go modally. Right now I have to change the login stack to TopLevel each and every time I save as standalone and it opens. Is there some environment variable that gets set when this is happening?

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that. Can you explain what you want to 
happen and what's happening instead? Is this an IDE problem or a problem 
with your stack?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 24 22:30:56 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 19:30:56 -0800
Subject: Good pinch-to-zoom in image object?
Message-ID: <28d782d6-8f8e-840f-9734-105c15a4e1c8@fourthworld.com>

There's a Lesson at the LC site on doing pinch-to-zoom with images, but 
it's kinda wonky (zooms okay, but at object center rather than 
touchpoint), and as I hunt around I see most people just give up an use 
a browser object.

I have an app in which I'd rather not add the overhead of embedding an 
entire browser process with my process just to get a good pinch-to-zoom, 
so if there's a script out there that handles that well in an image 
object I'd be grateful for the time saved.

TIA -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From brian at milby7.com  Thu Jan 25 00:48:59 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 05:48:59 +0000
Subject: Good pinch-to-zoom in image object?
In-Reply-To: <28d782d6-8f8e-840f-9734-105c15a4e1c8@fourthworld.com>
References: <28d782d6-8f8e-840f-9734-105c15a4e1c8@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZ08sw7Mi1-17HGg+_pku_KBjnG8bAoH+xxh1muyrjhjg@mail.gmail.com>

I started looking for some examples and found some JS code that could
probably be adapted.  I would take a crack at it, but won't have time
probably until the weekend.  Here's the link:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/PhoneGap/QpXAzVo_Fi8

Mulling it over in my head, I wonder if it may be good to use a timer
though so we don't try to redraw faster than a decent refresh rate.
Something like when we get the touch start, set a flag and send an
UpdateImage message every x ticks.  Then the touchmove handlers would just
be updating the latest finger positions.  When the touch ends, clear the
flag (so the UpdateImages won't reactivate itself).  If moving faster than
the screen refresh, it would save some of the position math (especially in
the code referenced above).

I'm probably explaining that horribly, but it is late :)

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 9:32 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> There's a Lesson at the LC site on doing pinch-to-zoom with images, but
> it's kinda wonky (zooms okay, but at object center rather than
> touchpoint), and as I hunt around I see most people just give up an use
> a browser object.
>
> I have an app in which I'd rather not add the overhead of embedding an
> entire browser process with my process just to get a good pinch-to-zoom,
> so if there's a script out there that handles that well in an image
> object I'd be grateful for the time saved.
>
> TIA -
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 04:34:48 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 01:34:48 -0800
Subject: Navigator now supports converting controls to script-only stack
	behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqro=sXjZjgt0hdkqsxoihSTz=GmBR=Ckv5uoWP0KykRA@mail.gmail.com>

I found one bug: if you try to save the script-only stacks in the same
folder as any of the stacks containing the objects you're converting, the
conversion process will hang partway through. The hang should occur before
anything has been changed, but still: Don't Do This.

I have a fix coded, but I'm in the middle of another update, so I will
update the whole thing tomorrow morning. (This is the sort of thing GitHub
is supposed to be good for, right? Heh -- need to figure that out...)


From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 06:53:22 2018
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 11:53:22 +0000
Subject: Bug: in 8.18 Stable and 9 Dp11 legacy stack import
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZ0qbF2=fqdVP3bzFDBFqF0U2D+HybmdnWv1ObSg72=BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VD7eVfd+ve1Z44D+pPn7_XWgudxnRiAnxduSZOj3CC4aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRZ0qbF2=fqdVP3bzFDBFqF0U2D+HybmdnWv1ObSg72=BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VCUF1rguMaSLkaZCF=PDyuv9bjrrLMBzpF6W-HkRWL=hQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian

Yes I am. It was a very insidious problem - at first I thought it was
Dropbox playing up because all the versions were faulty - but when I had it
backing up on the desktop as well using Max's plugin and checking for the
first 5 or six updates and all ok then 2 hours or more of work all bad -
not once but 3 times I then looked at the code and at the end of the stack
script there were some extraneous  characters specifically : ??IDM??

If I removed and saved I would get a stack corruption on next load , if I
left them in after some changes - I would assume additions to the main
stack I'm not sure the stack would load saying it couldn't find 2
substacks. When I loaded the stack as a binary the full stack scripts of
both substacks were there but they could not be seen in the PB.

As I say a simple loader that could search for a "stack" and save it as a
single stack file would be a real boon - It doesn't happen often (now)
thank god but when it does it can save hours of time.

Regards Lagi

On 24 January 2018 at 18:52, Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:

> Are you talking about the binary format of a stack file?
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 10:35 AM Lagi Pittas via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have just spent a good few hours "playing" - I wished - with the Text
>> formatting of field.
>>
>> Specifically It was on LC9 but I then installed 8.1.8 and the problem is
>> on
>> there as well.
>> The problem was that all new fields (and old fields) a card had the "BOLD"
>> textstyle try as I might I couldn't switch off the bold unless I ticked
>> underline or italic or any other textstyle - There isnt a Plain button as
>> in version 6 anymore - or I cant find it.
>> If I press fixedline height and click on italic i can then switch off bold
>> and italic but it comes back on when i switch fixedline height off.
>>
>> Anyway I did some more testing and it seems it was because this stack was
>> originally created in v6.11 - and I moved onto 9 when I got a corruption
>> that kept coming back - yes I know backups - I had MAXVs backup plugin
>> running and dropbox version history but they were saving the corrupted
>> stack although it was all fine and dandy in the IDE.
>>
>> So the upshot is (I think) one of loading a legacy stack.
>>
>> On a related note the corrupted stack was "losing" a substack used for
>> reporting  and a library stack but not alwayat the same time when I was
>> rebuilding from a working backup. - Lost days.
>>
>> I wrote a little binary loader and managed to get the code for both stacks
>> back - so they were both still in the stack but were not showing in the
>> projectbrowser.
>>
>> Can someone point me to the file where this loading of stacks is done and
>> the structure because I think we need some sort of stack loader for some
>> such instances in the future
>>
>> Regards Lagi
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From mark at livecode.com  Thu Jan 25 07:00:07 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 13:00:07 +0100
Subject: Bug: in 8.18 Stable and 9 Dp11 legacy stack import
In-Reply-To: <CAG1h1VCUF1rguMaSLkaZCF=PDyuv9bjrrLMBzpF6W-HkRWL=hQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VD7eVfd+ve1Z44D+pPn7_XWgudxnRiAnxduSZOj3CC4aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRZ0qbF2=fqdVP3bzFDBFqF0U2D+HybmdnWv1ObSg72=BQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VCUF1rguMaSLkaZCF=PDyuv9bjrrLMBzpF6W-HkRWL=hQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d2a8550dd687fd2a12e19dbe2f4063b5@livecode.com>

Hi Lagi,

If you could file a bug describing how you reproduce the stack 
corruption, and send us the stack to use to reproduce we'll look into 
it.

It sounds like there is a problem somewhere with loading of pre-7 stacks 
with certain field content - we'd obviously like to fix this :)

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Jan 25 08:40:33 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 13:40:33 +0000
Subject: Navigator now supports converting controls to script-only stack
	behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqro=sXjZjgt0hdkqsxoihSTz=GmBR=Ckv5uoWP0KykRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqro=sXjZjgt0hdkqsxoihSTz=GmBR=Ckv5uoWP0KykRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_XR7hsBtWfQvy54sd_JzE5Nze4uknGGSGHLMfBFxpUjA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:36 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> I have a fix coded, but I'm in the middle of another update, so I will
> update the whole thing tomorrow morning. (This is the sort of thing GitHub
> is supposed to be good for, right? Heh -- need to figure that out...)


A couple of quick tips. Some of the vocabulary may be new. Just google each
concept and you will find lots of info. Git is really confusing at first
and then one day it isn?t and you wonder how you ever lived without it.

Look into branching. A simple approach for an individual is that your
master branch has the stable version of your app. You work on each feature
in a separate branch that you then merge into master when it is ready.

Whenever you want to make a new public release of your app tag the commit
in master that has the release version. This allows you to easily check out
a branch with that exact version of your app if you need to in the future.

If you want to keep your master branch clean when merging other branches in
(not too many commits) look into interactive rebasing. Interactive rebasing
can be used to squash a bunch of commits in a branch down to one (or more).
That way when you merge a feature branch into master it only appears as one
commit, even if you made 30 commits while working on the feature.

Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

>


From iphonelagi at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 08:54:19 2018
From: iphonelagi at gmail.com (Lagi Pittas)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 13:54:19 +0000
Subject: Bug: in 8.18 Stable and 9 Dp11 legacy stack import
In-Reply-To: <d2a8550dd687fd2a12e19dbe2f4063b5@livecode.com>
References: <CAG1h1VD7eVfd+ve1Z44D+pPn7_XWgudxnRiAnxduSZOj3CC4aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRZ0qbF2=fqdVP3bzFDBFqF0U2D+HybmdnWv1ObSg72=BQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VCUF1rguMaSLkaZCF=PDyuv9bjrrLMBzpF6W-HkRWL=hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<d2a8550dd687fd2a12e19dbe2f4063b5@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1h1VB32bTDdDYZ+7ELQL0ucq+RHvedTL_RXHZ0WiOKD8EJKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,

I have rethunked overnight and I'm not sure whether the stack was "sort of
corrupted" but working and  might have something to do with it. I am under
pressure with some deadlines till the middle of next week but I will take
out an older version of the stack that was not corrupted and see if that
has the same import problem - and get you a version with the problem as
well.

It might ...  heck - I just loaded  a very old version from last year into
lC9 and  the bold switches on and off ok ,  but It brought up a problem I
had with version 9 (maybe 8) before that had me stumped then  and now for a
good few minutes..

To recreate this "problem" created a new stack in 9 that is 1290 wide by
2048 (that wasn't the size of the stack which runs on different tablets and
phones and I automatically resize  but these sizes work to show the bug).

If you set the scalefactor  to 0.35 or 0.4 or 0.5 etc and its location is
more than a few 100 pixels from the left edge of the screen you can't drag
and drop any of the controls onto the card/stack in fact if I drop the
control onto the desktop it will then be placed on the card/stack. It gets
even more bizarre  if you have a second stack on the screen not even
selected but more to the left - the control that will not drop onto the
"selected stack" if when I drop it on the target stack will show up on the
other stack - in fact you can see it changing to the blue color. Even more
weird In fact when a control drops onto the stack it's not even  close to
where you placed it - this does not happen on the 6.xx series. In fact you
can drop controls on the stack by dropping them to the right of it ON THE
DESKTOP.

Anyway I've wasted a good couple of hours this morning "playing" but I will
get something together for next week and maybe a video as my ramblings are
probably incoherent.

Regards Lagi




On 25 January 2018 at 12:00, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Lagi,
>
> If you could file a bug describing how you reproduce the stack corruption,
> and send us the stack to use to reproduce we'll look into it.
>
> It sounds like there is a problem somewhere with loading of pre-7 stacks
> with certain field content - we'd obviously like to fix this :)
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> --
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> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jan 25 11:06:52 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 08:06:52 -0800
Subject: Bug: in 8.18 Stable and 9 Dp11 legacy stack import
In-Reply-To: <CAG1h1VCUF1rguMaSLkaZCF=PDyuv9bjrrLMBzpF6W-HkRWL=hQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VD7eVfd+ve1Z44D+pPn7_XWgudxnRiAnxduSZOj3CC4aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRZ0qbF2=fqdVP3bzFDBFqF0U2D+HybmdnWv1ObSg72=BQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VCUF1rguMaSLkaZCF=PDyuv9bjrrLMBzpF6W-HkRWL=hQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56ba2287-c84a-88be-175b-4de2d0591987@sonic.net>

Lagi-

> If I removed and saved I would get a stack corruption on next load , if I
> left them in after some changes - I would assume additions to the main
> stack I'm not sure the stack would load saying it couldn't find 2
> substacks. When I loaded the stack as a binary the full stack scripts of
> both substacks were there but they could not be seen in the PB.

Do send a corrupted version of the stack to Mark. I had a similar 
problem last week with dp11 saving in legacy format and sent him a 
corrupted stack to examine. More data points would be good.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan 25 11:17:54 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:17:54 +0000
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Mark. 

I have a mainstack called Forms Generator. In the openStack handler in the card script of that stack, I open modally another substack called Login. This is so that no one can access the app without logging in first. 

When I Save As Standalone, this Login stack opens (why I do not know, I assume the Standalone Builder is "walking" through the scripts) and when it does, the Standalone Builder stops dead in it's tracks waiting for the Login (opened modally if you recall) is dismissed. 

Some months ago, Jacque I believe, told me I can ctrl-cmd-shift-right-click the stack and change the stack mode to Top Level, which effectively releases the deadlock, and the Standalone Builder proceeds as normal. 

I attempted to trap the savingStandalone message, setting a global, then having my code check that global to determine how to open the Login stack (modally or normally) but that did not work. Either the message hasn't been sent at that point, or else something else in the Save As Standalone process is opening that stack AS MODAL for reasons I cannot fathom. 

I verified the Float Above option was not checked for that stack. It is a plain ordinary substack, but when my code opens it, it does so modally for reasons I explained earlier. No other substack seems to open. I was hoping to check for some environment global variable that gets set as soon as the Standalone Builder gets called so I can modify my code to prevent opening the Login stack modally during this process. 

I reported this behavior a whaaay back. It was sometime during v7 (I think don't quote me) that this behavior began. Prior to that Standalone Building was never an issue. At the same time, I also noted that I could no longer build for two platforms at once because the builder would complain that there were stacks in memory with the same name (presumably because the builder no longer closed the copies of the stacks it created for the standalones). That problem ALSO still persists. 

Sending a sample stack is difficult because my stack is dependent on a number of things to function, and it is quite large. Attempts to send this in the past have met with size limits, and iCloud and dropbox links did not seem to work for some reason. (May have timed out). 

Bob S


> On Jan 24, 2018, at 17:26 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> I want to prevent going to a modal login stack when I save as standalone, or at least not go modally. Right now I have to change the login stack to TopLevel each and every time I save as standalone and it opens. Is there some environment variable that gets set when this is happening?
> 
> Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that. Can you explain what you want to happen and what's happening instead? Is this an IDE problem or a problem with your stack?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jan 25 11:38:12 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 08:38:12 -0800
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>

On 01/25/2018 08:17 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks Mark.
> 
> I have a mainstack called Forms Generator. In the openStack handler in the card script of that stack, I open modally another substack called Login. This is so that no one can access the app without logging in first.
> 
> When I Save As Standalone, this Login stack opens (why I do not know, I assume the Standalone Builder is "walking" through the scripts) and when it does, the Standalone Builder stops dead in it's tracks waiting for the Login (opened modally if you recall) is dismissed.

Ah! This sounds familiar.
Do you have an openStack or preOpenStack handler in your login stack 
script? Those should go into the script of the first card instead.
It sounds like your login stack is receiving an initialization message 
from the Standalone Builder.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan 25 11:48:41 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:48:41 +0000
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>

I did. I moved them to the card script. Issue persists. And it doesn't explain why it's opening modally, which can only happen if my openStack handler in the card script of the MAINSTACK is executing. IMHO the standalone builder should not be executing any scripts, unless by doing so it finds all the dependencies, but if that is the case, that is a helluva way to go about it. 

The MainStack does not have preOpenStack or openStack handlers in it's stack script. 

Bob S

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 08:38 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Mark.
>> I have a mainstack called Forms Generator. In the openStack handler in the card script of that stack, I open modally another substack called Login. This is so that no one can access the app without logging in first.
>> When I Save As Standalone, this Login stack opens (why I do not know, I assume the Standalone Builder is "walking" through the scripts) and when it does, the Standalone Builder stops dead in it's tracks waiting for the Login (opened modally if you recall) is dismissed.
> 
> Ah! This sounds familiar.
> Do you have an openStack or preOpenStack handler in your login stack script? Those should go into the script of the first card instead.
> It sounds like your login stack is receiving an initialization message from the Standalone Builder.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com




From hh at hyperhh.de  Thu Jan 25 12:12:35 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 18:12:35 +0100
Subject: problem with fullscreen option on HTML5 apps
Message-ID: <56833A0A-9ECF-4502-A49B-5C3B47C44DBB@hyperhh.de>

"Fullscreen" never worked for me (other than getting a scaled display).
It was probably not reported since HTML5 deployment is still experimental
(means: It's easier to list what's working than what's not working).

> T.J. wrote:
> I?ve been trying out the fullscreen option (via the checkbox on the
> automatically generated HTML page) on a couple of interactive learning
> apps I?m working on, and while they display nicely it seems to muck up
> the object coordinates (9.0.0 dp 10/11 ? Mac, any browser) so that clicking
> or dragging an object is a hit and miss affair (or doesn?t work at all).
> Does anyone have any insights on whether it is possible to work around this
> issue, or if it?s a known bug (couldn?t find anything in the QA centre)
> whether it?s likely to get some attention in the near future? 



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 25 14:03:09 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:03:09 -0500
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately I'm trying to fix the indenting in ST, so I'm stuck with it.
Then I asked for help.  The help is definitely better than what I came up
with, but I have a couple of things I want to fix.  The help disappeared,
and I'm having a hell of a time reading this because it uses some advanced
magic.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> That's because there are several flavors of RegEx. Nice huh?
>
> RegEx is in my opinion the top choice for inducing insanity. I have a
> utility where you type in what you start with and what you want to end up
> with and it tries to figure out the regex for it. It's less than perfect as
> you can imagine.
>
> While RegEx is really handy when you need it, my feeling is to avoid it if
> at all possible.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jan 24, 2018, at 05:48 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > @Lagi, yes, exactly.
> > I found another one last night: regex101.com/  That one is interesting
> > because it seems to support some expressions that the others do not.
>
>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 14:53:04 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 11:53:04 -0800
Subject: Navigator now supports converting controls to script-only stack
	behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG_XR7hsBtWfQvy54sd_JzE5Nze4uknGGSGHLMfBFxpUjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqro=sXjZjgt0hdkqsxoihSTz=GmBR=Ckv5uoWP0KykRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_XR7hsBtWfQvy54sd_JzE5Nze4uknGGSGHLMfBFxpUjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqKq9WEcZngG=Ui=TSLo64WcVF0GnXbVtNqudiM3XYKJA@mail.gmail.com>

Any suggestions where to go to figure this out? At the most basic level,
all I need is:

1. A "current released version" of Navigator on GitHub.
2. A work-in-progress version on my computer, in my LiveCode installation.
3. The ability to merge my copy into the GitHub version.

And obviously, have multiple dev versions, release versions, etc., but for
now I just need dev and release, and even that seems beyond the ability of
any web page to explain simply. Nothing I've read seems to even come close
to explaining how to do that. Or am I just completely misunderstanding how
git works? Even basic tutorials seem to start with literally no description
of what the actual workflow of git is, and simply dive into various git
commands using undefined terminology. <grrr>

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 5:40 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:36 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have a fix coded, but I'm in the middle of another update, so I will
> > update the whole thing tomorrow morning. (This is the sort of thing
> GitHub
> > is supposed to be good for, right? Heh -- need to figure that out...)
>
>
> A couple of quick tips. Some of the vocabulary may be new. Just google each
> concept and you will find lots of info. Git is really confusing at first
> and then one day it isn?t and you wonder how you ever lived without it.
>
> Look into branching. A simple approach for an individual is that your
> master branch has the stable version of your app. You work on each feature
> in a separate branch that you then merge into master when it is ready.
>
> Whenever you want to make a new public release of your app tag the commit
> in master that has the release version. This allows you to easily check out
> a branch with that exact version of your app if you need to in the future.
>
> If you want to keep your master branch clean when merging other branches in
> (not too many commits) look into interactive rebasing. Interactive rebasing
> can be used to squash a bunch of commits in a branch down to one (or more).
> That way when you merge a feature branch into master it only appears as one
> commit, even if you made 30 commits while working on the feature.
>
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
>
> >
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From jbv at souslelogo.com  Thu Jan 25 15:02:32 2018
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 21:02:32 +0100
Subject: get URL problem on on-rev account
Message-ID: <c02991fa22a10a765f8883201e4bf2ba.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>

Hi list,
I have a problem on my on-rev account for which I am awaiting an answer
from the support; but since I haven't got it yet, I am asking this list.
In an LC script I have 3 successive requests in the form :

	get URL "http://www.mydomain.fr/irev/myscript.lc?0_4"

	get URL ("http://www.mydomain.fr/irev/myscript.lc?0_1_" & it)

	get URL "http://www.mydomain.fr/irev/myscript.lc?0_0"

The domain is the same as the one running the main script containing these
requests. This script has been running perfectly for years. But suddenly,
a few days ago, the second and third requests started to returned empty.
The first one returns the expected result though. The rest of the script
doesn't crash, but the results are flawn because some data is obviously
missing. I checked the logs of the server, but the 2nd and 3rd requests
don't appear in the logs, as if they were never sent.
On the other hand, when I send each request from a browser, it works fine
and returns a consistent result.
I tried to replace the second request in the same script with :
	get URL "http://www.mydomain.fr"
and it works fine and returns the html code of the home page.

Last but not least, I have the same scripts running on the same server,
but in another account and with a different domain, and everything's ok.

Needless to say I'm puzzled... Whet could be the problem, and what should
I look at ?

Thanks in advance,
jbv




From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 15:07:24 2018
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 21:07:24 +0100
Subject: Bold textStyle on 'Header Bar' widget?
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn4AE+jOmU5x1wWLc0DksAjHC_BnJUGYawzdbdsp88cGTA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

How do I set the label of a 'Header Bar' widget to bold?

greetings,

William


From mark at livecode.com  Thu Jan 25 15:28:50 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 20:28:50 +0000
Subject: get URL problem on on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <c02991fa22a10a765f8883201e4bf2ba.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
References: <c02991fa22a10a765f8883201e4bf2ba.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <2C086558-2571-4A78-8592-DB6C62C855FE@livecode.com>

Try checking 'the result' after each get URL line and see if it gives an error indication - that might help work out what the problem is.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Jan 2018, at 20:02, jbv via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> I have a problem on my on-rev account for which I am awaiting an answer
> from the support; but since I haven't got it yet, I am asking this list.
> In an LC script I have 3 successive requests in the form :
> 
>    get URL "http://www.mydomain.fr/irev/myscript.lc?0_4"
> 
>    get URL ("http://www.mydomain.fr/irev/myscript.lc?0_1_" & it)
> 
>    get URL "http://www.mydomain.fr/irev/myscript.lc?0_0"
> 
> The domain is the same as the one running the main script containing these
> requests. This script has been running perfectly for years. But suddenly,
> a few days ago, the second and third requests started to returned empty.
> The first one returns the expected result though. The rest of the script
> doesn't crash, but the results are flawn because some data is obviously
> missing. I checked the logs of the server, but the 2nd and 3rd requests
> don't appear in the logs, as if they were never sent.
> On the other hand, when I send each request from a browser, it works fine
> and returns a consistent result.
> I tried to replace the second request in the same script with :
>    get URL "http://www.mydomain.fr"
> and it works fine and returns the html code of the home page.
> 
> Last but not least, I have the same scripts running on the same server,
> but in another account and with a different domain, and everything's ok.
> 
> Needless to say I'm puzzled... Whet could be the problem, and what should
> I look at ?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> jbv
> 
> 
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From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Jan 25 15:29:31 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:29:31 -0500
Subject: RevQueryDatabase error in standalone
In-Reply-To: <050E4205-6386-4587-AFCD-55475F01E786@iotecdigital.com>
References: <050E4205-6386-4587-AFCD-55475F01E786@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB7N=oAvzxFji-7ScB4yBwCFOm+56+jO92cNuQEyFJyY9w@mail.gmail.com>

whats the error? ... i use sqlite with standalones as files and in memory
..without problems.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> In dev mode I create a memory database, populate it, query it everythign
> works fine. In a standalone however, the app throws an error when I call
> revQueryDatabase. I have verified all the inclusions are included for
> sqLite and database operations. Any known issues? sqlYoga works fine with a
> mySQL database, and it has to be using the Database API too, so it has to
> be an issue with using a memory based database in a standalone.
>
> Bob S
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 25 16:57:35 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:57:35 -0600
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>

You could try it a different way. Save/keep the login stack as toplevel 
all the time, then in the handler that opens the login stack:

if the environment is not "development" then modal "login"
else go stack "login"


On 1/25/18 10:48 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I did. I moved them to the card script. Issue persists. And it doesn't explain why it's opening modally, which can only happen if my openStack handler in the card script of the MAINSTACK is executing. IMHO the standalone builder should not be executing any scripts, unless by doing so it finds all the dependencies, but if that is the case, that is a helluva way to go about it.
> 
> The MainStack does not have preOpenStack or openStack handlers in it's stack script.
> 
> Bob S
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 08:38 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Mark.
>>> I have a mainstack called Forms Generator. In the openStack handler in the card script of that stack, I open modally another substack called Login. This is so that no one can access the app without logging in first.
>>> When I Save As Standalone, this Login stack opens (why I do not know, I assume the Standalone Builder is "walking" through the scripts) and when it does, the Standalone Builder stops dead in it's tracks waiting for the Login (opened modally if you recall) is dismissed.
>>
>> Ah! This sounds familiar.
>> Do you have an openStack or preOpenStack handler in your login stack script? Those should go into the script of the first card instead.
>> It sounds like your login stack is receiving an initialization message from the Standalone Builder.
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> 
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From jbv at souslelogo.com  Thu Jan 25 17:35:34 2018
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 23:35:34 +0100
Subject: get URL problem on on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <2C086558-2571-4A78-8592-DB6C62C855FE@livecode.com>
References: <c02991fa22a10a765f8883201e4bf2ba.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
	<2C086558-2571-4A78-8592-DB6C62C855FE@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <2091d6b33c5b3f5d7e2044aee3de4c35.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>

On Thu, January 25, 2018 9:28 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> Try checking 'the result' after each get URL line and see if it gives an
> error indication - that might help work out what the problem is.
>

I did that, but the result is always empty; both requests just don't go
through...

jbv




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 17:54:41 2018
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:54:41 -0700
Subject: get URL problem on on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <2091d6b33c5b3f5d7e2044aee3de4c35.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
References: <c02991fa22a10a765f8883201e4bf2ba.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
	<2C086558-2571-4A78-8592-DB6C62C855FE@livecode.com>
	<2091d6b33c5b3f5d7e2044aee3de4c35.squirrel@sage.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSre24tafHb6CG1sOb-syccUa85z9p7auMUqwnFxrnkzLA@mail.gmail.com>

is it only the url calls that don't work?  Meaning, if you do a simple: put
"after url # <br>" following each attempt, do THOSE work? If so, then i'm
not sure what to say, especially since you mentioned that the logs don't
show the requests.   If any of the following "puts" fail, it might help you
track down where its broke.

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:35 PM, jbv via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Thu, January 25, 2018 9:28 pm, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote:
> > Try checking 'the result' after each get URL line and see if it gives an
> > error indication - that might help work out what the problem is.
> >
>
> I did that, but the result is always empty; both requests just don't go
> through...
>
> jbv
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jan 25 18:26:43 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:26:43 -0800
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9546f25a-2027-33e9-0f11-1532754af214@sonic.net>

On 01/25/2018 01:57 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> You could try it a different way. Save/keep the login stack as toplevel 
> all the time, then in the handler that opens the login stack:
> 
> if the environment is not "development" then modal "login"
> else go stack "login"

I was just about to post something similar. My take on this (if I can 
paraphrase Bob here) (and I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong) is 
that Bob wants the login stack to open modally first when the standalone 
is launched. And the problem is that the standalone builder is saving 
the stack and relaunching it, which opens the login stack. So yeah, I'd 
say check the environment before launching the stack. I don't think the 
else clause is necessary, but otherwise that should do the trick.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan 25 18:28:33 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 23:28:33 +0000
Subject: RevQueryDatabase error in standalone
In-Reply-To: <CAEk4XB7N=oAvzxFji-7ScB4yBwCFOm+56+jO92cNuQEyFJyY9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <050E4205-6386-4587-AFCD-55475F01E786@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB7N=oAvzxFji-7ScB4yBwCFOm+56+jO92cNuQEyFJyY9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A272F827-5604-4D88-9E74-648F7AECDC1F@iotecdigital.com>

Unfortunately, the error comes from the standalone CTD dialog, and it only provides the command that failed. I verified that it was in fact that command by putting an answer dialog just before and just after the query command. I got the first but not the second answer dialog. 

I can put the command inside a try/catch and see what I get. 

Bob S

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 12:29 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> whats the error? ... i use sqlite with standalones as files and in memory
> ..without problems.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan 25 18:31:37 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 23:31:37 +0000
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>

Trouble is I DO want to open the login stack modally in development, because it pulls setup information for each user from the Login database, such as custom settings (like local file paths, recent customers list, access level etc). The only time I do NOT want to open that stack is when I am saving as standalone. 

It's not killing me to set the stack mode to top level each time, it's just irritating. 

Bob S


> On Jan 25, 2018, at 13:57 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> You could try it a different way. Save/keep the login stack as toplevel all the time, then in the handler that opens the login stack:
> 
> if the environment is not "development" then modal "login"
> else go stack "login"




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 25 18:44:38 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:44:38 -0600
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <9546f25a-2027-33e9-0f11-1532754af214@sonic.net>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9546f25a-2027-33e9-0f11-1532754af214@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <683372aa-2dae-ba97-08be-4d7f0b9ae323@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/25/18 5:26 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 01/25/2018 01:57 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> You could try it a different way. Save/keep the login stack as 
>> toplevel all the time, then in the handler that opens the login stack:
>>
>> if the environment is not "development" then modal "login"
>> else go stack "login"
> 
> I was just about to post something similar. My take on this (if I can 
> paraphrase Bob here) (and I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong) is 
> that Bob wants the login stack to open modally first when the standalone 
> is launched. And the problem is that the standalone builder is saving 
> the stack and relaunching it, which opens the login stack. So yeah, I'd 
> say check the environment before launching the stack. I don't think the 
> else clause is necessary, but otherwise that should do the trick.
> 

I figured the stack wouldn't open in the IDE if he didn't issue a "go", 
but that assumes login is a substack.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Jan 25 19:13:19 2018
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:13:19 -0800
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <f0d5337d-cfcc-33e1-22ce-314f0c1de5a8@pdslabs.net>

Bob,

Is the problem that at app-login time, the app doesn't know whether its 
opening was caused by the standalone builder or by the user? If so, 
maybe something this would work:

on standaloneSaved
 ??? put true into url (specialFolderPath("temp") & "/saved"
end standaloneSaved


on appLogin -- in card script of login stack
 ??? if there is a file ( specialFolderPath("temp") & "/saved" ) then
 ??????? delete file ( specialFolderPath("temp") & "/saved" )
 ??? else
 ??????? modal the owner of me -- or whatever mode you want
 ??? end if
end appLogin


It's crude but would probably work. Of course it's always possible I'm 
solving the wrong problem. :-)

Phil Davis



On 1/25/18 3:31 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Trouble is I DO want to open the login stack modally in development, because it pulls setup information for each user from the Login database, such as custom settings (like local file paths, recent customers list, access level etc). The only time I do NOT want to open that stack is when I am saving as standalone.
>
> It's not killing me to set the stack mode to top level each time, it's just irritating.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 13:57 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> You could try it a different way. Save/keep the login stack as toplevel all the time, then in the handler that opens the login stack:
>>
>> if the environment is not "development" then modal "login"
>> else go stack "login"
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Thu Jan 25 19:16:22 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 00:16:22 +0000
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
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Is that the same stuff that Atom uses? I?m not that good at writing RegEx
from scratch, but wouldn?t mind taking a look. I don?t have ST, so I
wouldn?t be able to test there.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately I'm trying to fix the indenting in ST, so I'm stuck with it.
> Then I asked for help.  The help is definitely better than what I came up
> with, but I have a couple of things I want to fix.  The help disappeared,
> and I'm having a hell of a time reading this because it uses some advanced
> magic.
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > That's because there are several flavors of RegEx. Nice huh?
> >
> > RegEx is in my opinion the top choice for inducing insanity. I have a
> > utility where you type in what you start with and what you want to end up
> > with and it tries to figure out the regex for it. It's less than perfect
> as
> > you can imagine.
> >
> > While RegEx is really handy when you need it, my feeling is to avoid it
> if
> > at all possible.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 24, 2018, at 05:48 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > @Lagi, yes, exactly.
> > > I found another one last night: regex101.com/  That one is interesting
> > > because it seems to support some expressions that the others do not.
> >
> >
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From paul at livecode.org  Thu Jan 25 19:17:39 2018
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:17:39 -0800
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <3355F27E-0C4F-496A-907C-EDA1F58FB0E5@livecode.org>

A couple more ideas:

in the Stack script?

on savingStandalone
   processLogin "false"
   pass savingStandalone
end savingStandalone

command processLogin pLogin
   if pLogin = "false" then exit processLogin
   modal stack "Login"
end processLogin

I tested this, but I?m not 100% sure it would be successful in your case, it seemed to work OK here.

Or simply holding the alt key down while making the standalone with:

if not the altKey is down then modal stack ?login? # within the appropriate handler of course

I tried this on a simple stack and the alt key doesn?t seem to interfere with the build process, but you would need to test with your setup.

Paul


> On Jan 25, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Trouble is I DO want to open the login stack modally in development, because it pulls setup information for each user from the Login database, such as custom settings (like local file paths, recent customers list, access level etc). The only time I do NOT want to open that stack is when I am saving as standalone. 
> 
> It's not killing me to set the stack mode to top level each time, it's just irritating. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 13:57 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You could try it a different way. Save/keep the login stack as toplevel all the time, then in the handler that opens the login stack:
>> 
>> if the environment is not "development" then modal "login"
>> else go stack "login"
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Thu Jan 25 19:22:12 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 00:22:12 +0000
Subject: Navigator now supports converting controls to script-only stack
	behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqKq9WEcZngG=Ui=TSLo64WcVF0GnXbVtNqudiM3XYKJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqro=sXjZjgt0hdkqsxoihSTz=GmBR=Ckv5uoWP0KykRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_XR7hsBtWfQvy54sd_JzE5Nze4uknGGSGHLMfBFxpUjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqKq9WEcZngG=Ui=TSLo64WcVF0GnXbVtNqudiM3XYKJA@mail.gmail.com>
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The files on GitHub and your workstation should be pretty much the same.
Like Trevor was saying, you would have a develop branch that contained your
in progress code. The master branch would be the release. Every beta could
be a commit in the dev branch. When ready for a final release, the code is
merged up to master.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 1:54 PM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Any suggestions where to go to figure this out? At the most basic level,
> all I need is:
>
> 1. A "current released version" of Navigator on GitHub.
> 2. A work-in-progress version on my computer, in my LiveCode installation.
> 3. The ability to merge my copy into the GitHub version.
>
> And obviously, have multiple dev versions, release versions, etc., but for
> now I just need dev and release, and even that seems beyond the ability of
> any web page to explain simply. Nothing I've read seems to even come close
> to explaining how to do that. Or am I just completely misunderstanding how
> git works? Even basic tutorials seem to start with literally no description
> of what the actual workflow of git is, and simply dive into various git
> commands using undefined terminology. <grrr>
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 5:40 AM, Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:36 AM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I have a fix coded, but I'm in the middle of another update, so I will
> > > update the whole thing tomorrow morning. (This is the sort of thing
> > GitHub
> > > is supposed to be good for, right? Heh -- need to figure that out...)
> >
> >
> > A couple of quick tips. Some of the vocabulary may be new. Just google
> each
> > concept and you will find lots of info. Git is really confusing at first
> > and then one day it isn?t and you wonder how you ever lived without it.
> >
> > Look into branching. A simple approach for an individual is that your
> > master branch has the stable version of your app. You work on each
> feature
> > in a separate branch that you then merge into master when it is ready.
> >
> > Whenever you want to make a new public release of your app tag the commit
> > in master that has the release version. This allows you to easily check
> out
> > a branch with that exact version of your app if you need to in the
> future.
> >
> > If you want to keep your master branch clean when merging other branches
> in
> > (not too many commits) look into interactive rebasing. Interactive
> rebasing
> > can be used to squash a bunch of commits in a branch down to one (or
> more).
> > That way when you merge a feature branch into master it only appears as
> one
> > commit, even if you made 30 commits while working on the feature.
> >
> > Trevor DeVore
> > ScreenSteps
> >
> > >
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 25 19:24:25 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 18:24:25 -0600
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1612fd9e6a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

Regardless of the stack mode, why wouldn't it retrieve info? As the 
developer you'd know not to click elsewhere until the data is there, right?

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On January 25, 2018 5:33:27 PM Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Trouble is I DO want to open the login stack modally in development, 
> because it pulls setup information for each user from the Login database, 
> such as custom settings (like local file paths, recent customers list, 
> access level etc). The only time I do NOT want to open that stack is when I 
> am saving as standalone.
>
> It's not killing me to set the stack mode to top level each time, it's just 
> irritating.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 13:57 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> You could try it a different way. Save/keep the login stack as toplevel all 
>> the time, then in the handler that opens the login stack:
>>
>> if the environment is not "development" then modal "login"
>> else go stack "login"
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jan 25 19:28:20 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:28:20 -0800
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <88316c32-5443-66a5-eed1-307774c291ba@sonic.net>

On 01/25/2018 03:31 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Trouble is I DO want to open the login stack modally in development, because it pulls setup information for each user from the Login database, such as custom settings (like local file paths, recent customers list, access level etc). The only time I do NOT want to open that stack is when I am saving as standalone.
> 
> It's not killing me to set the stack mode to top level each time, it's just irritating.

Heretical idea:

Put a 'Cancel' button on the modal stack.
If it's clicked, toplevel the stack and move on.
Only make the button visible if in development mode.

on preOpenStack
   if the environment is "development" then
     show button 'btnCancel'
   else
     hide button 'btnCancel'
   end if
end preOpenStack

-- in the button itself
on mouseUp
   toplevel this stack
end mouseUp

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jan 25 19:41:25 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:41:25 -0800
Subject: Navigator now supports converting controls to script-only stack
	behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqKq9WEcZngG=Ui=TSLo64WcVF0GnXbVtNqudiM3XYKJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqro=sXjZjgt0hdkqsxoihSTz=GmBR=Ckv5uoWP0KykRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_XR7hsBtWfQvy54sd_JzE5Nze4uknGGSGHLMfBFxpUjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqKq9WEcZngG=Ui=TSLo64WcVF0GnXbVtNqudiM3XYKJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb22a093-b85c-f974-4573-d6e1890c77ef@sonic.net>


On 01/25/2018 11:53 AM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
 > Any suggestions where to go to figure this out? At the most basic level,
 > all I need is:
 >
 > 1. A "current released version" of Navigator on GitHub.
 > 2. A work-in-progress version on my computer, in my LiveCode 
installation.
 > 3. The ability to merge my copy into the GitHub version.
 >
 > And obviously, have multiple dev versions, release versions, etc., 
but for
 > now I just need dev and release, and even that seems beyond the 
ability of
 > any web page to explain simply. Nothing I've read seems to even come 
close
 > to explaining how to do that. Or am I just completely 
misunderstanding how
 > git works? Even basic tutorials seem to start with literally no 
description
 > of what the actual workflow of git is, and simply dive into various git
 > commands using undefined terminology. <grrr>

start with this:
install git
navigate to the Navigator lievcodescript directory
type 'git init'

that will initialize the directory by creating a few invisible files.
then you will tell git you want to track your livecodescript files.
type 'git add *.livecodescript'

that's it. now after you make changes
type 'git add *.livecodescript'

to see the current file status:
type 'git status'

that doesn't connect you to github yet, but that's your local storage, 
and that's the first step to getting it onto github.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan 25 19:43:55 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 19:43:55 -0500
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRbjbzhkRf0n-u41QDf1hn5nXr9Mo4PbqJ6NB8w1ix5VZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbjbzhkRf0n-u41QDf1hn5nXr9Mo4PbqJ6NB8w1ix5VZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>

It's similar.  It takes a bit of massaging to get one into the other,
especially once you get into the more advanced regex because there are
features that one supports and the other doesn't.  ST's regex engine is
customized more than Atom's is.

Here's the proposed not-quite-final indent rules file:


<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>name</key>
<string>LiveCode Script Indentation</string>
<key>scope</key>
<string>source.livecode</string>
<key>settings</key>
<!-- documenation found at
http://docs.sublimetext.info/en/latest/reference/metadata.html?highlight=indentation
-->
<dict>
<key>increaseIndentPattern</key>
<string><![CDATA[(?x)
(?<comment>\s*(?:\#|--|/\*)){0}
(?<eol_or_comment>\g<comment>|\s*\\?$){0}
^\s*
(
(on\s)
| (private\s+)?(command|function)\s+
| (else\g<eol_or_comment>)
| (else\s+)?
(if\s+.+?)?
\bthen\g<eol_or_comment>
| repeat\s
| switch\s
| case\s
| default\b
| try\b
| catch\b
| finally\b
)
]]></string>
<key>decreaseIndentPattern</key>
<string>(?x)
^\s*
(
end\s+.
| case\s+.
| default\b
| catch\b
| finally\b
)
</string>
<key>unIndentedLinePattern</key>
<!-- ignore any lines matching this pattern when computing the next line's
indent level -->
<string>^\s*(?:#|--|/\*)</string><!-- i.e. any comments -->
</dict>
</dict>
</plist>

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Is that the same stuff that Atom uses? I?m not that good at writing RegEx
> from scratch, but wouldn?t mind taking a look. I don?t have ST, so I
> wouldn?t be able to test there.
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately I'm trying to fix the indenting in ST, so I'm stuck with
> it.
> > Then I asked for help.  The help is definitely better than what I came up
> > with, but I have a couple of things I want to fix.  The help disappeared,
> > and I'm having a hell of a time reading this because it uses some
> advanced
> > magic.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > That's because there are several flavors of RegEx. Nice huh?
> > >
> > > RegEx is in my opinion the top choice for inducing insanity. I have a
> > > utility where you type in what you start with and what you want to end
> up
> > > with and it tries to figure out the regex for it. It's less than
> perfect
> > as
> > > you can imagine.
> > >
> > > While RegEx is really handy when you need it, my feeling is to avoid it
> > if
> > > at all possible.
> > >
> > > Bob S
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jan 24, 2018, at 05:48 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > @Lagi, yes, exactly.
> > > > I found another one last night: regex101.com/  That one is
> interesting
> > > > because it seems to support some expressions that the others do not.
> > >
> > >
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan 25 19:57:14 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 00:57:14 +0000
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <f0d5337d-cfcc-33e1-22ce-314f0c1de5a8@pdslabs.net>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
	<f0d5337d-cfcc-33e1-22ce-314f0c1de5a8@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <4EC95DA7-DE4A-4F89-B055-FC974600D3F1@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Phil. It's actually the opposite. At App Builder time, the login stack does not know that the app builder was what opened it, or rather called the script that opens it as a modal window. 

Bob S


> On Jan 25, 2018, at 16:13 , Phil Davis via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Is the problem that at app-login time, the app doesn't know whether its opening was caused by the standalone builder or by the user? If so, maybe something this would work:




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan 25 20:00:18 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 01:00:18 +0000
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <3355F27E-0C4F-496A-907C-EDA1F58FB0E5@livecode.org>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
	<3355F27E-0C4F-496A-907C-EDA1F58FB0E5@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <A85C959B-5129-4B3A-AC28-638B8147D9F2@iotecdigital.com>

Tried this. I used savingStandalone to set a global that I check when opening the Login Stack. It seems the message does not get sent until the standalone *actually* gets around to saving it. The Login stack gets opened while the standalone builder is in the process of gathering information about the application, but before the actual save takes place. 

I am not sure what changed in the Standalone Builder process when we went from v6 to v7, but as I said it never had this issue before that. (It might have been around v8 come to think of it. I didn't stick around much in v7). 

Bob S


> On Jan 25, 2018, at 16:17 , Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> A couple more ideas:
> 
> in the Stack script?
> 
> on savingStandalone
>   processLogin "false"
>   pass savingStandalone
> end savingStandalone


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan 25 20:02:09 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 01:02:09 +0000
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <1612fd9e6a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1612fd9e6a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A4CC2986-BC5C-484C-8AF7-20E671132731@iotecdigital.com>

I assume because it's opened modally, and the builder obviously needs to open another stack but can't because the modal stack is blocking the progress of the script that told my app to open it. (I know it's confisung but that is how modality works I guess). 

Bob S


> On Jan 25, 2018, at 16:24 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Regardless of the stack mode, why wouldn't it retrieve info? As the developer you'd know not to click elsewhere until the data is there, right?
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jan 25 20:03:09 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 01:03:09 +0000
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <88316c32-5443-66a5-eed1-307774c291ba@sonic.net>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
	<88316c32-5443-66a5-eed1-307774c291ba@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <8222590D-560E-4A26-9834-180684740A4E@iotecdigital.com>

Oh how the pure have fallen! ;-) That would work but it's soooo dirty! 

Bob S


> On Jan 25, 2018, at 16:28 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Heretical idea:
> 
> Put a 'Cancel' button on the modal stack.
> If it's clicked, toplevel the stack and move on.
> Only make the button visible if in development mode.




From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Jan 25 20:06:58 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 20:06:58 -0500
Subject: RevQueryDatabase error in standalone
In-Reply-To: <A272F827-5604-4D88-9E74-648F7AECDC1F@iotecdigital.com>
References: <050E4205-6386-4587-AFCD-55475F01E786@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB7N=oAvzxFji-7ScB4yBwCFOm+56+jO92cNuQEyFJyY9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A272F827-5604-4D88-9E74-648F7AECDC1F@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB5jnDVX+QtMKst=q_DKGtzh8oEpVwRjsXQ8m8vdW-eYDQ@mail.gmail.com>

ya you have to look at the error.....sometimes its not what you'd expect
expect.

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, the error comes from the standalone CTD dialog, and it only
> provides the command that failed. I verified that it was in fact that
> command by putting an answer dialog just before and just after the query
> command. I got the first but not the second answer dialog.
>
> I can put the command inside a try/catch and see what I get.
>
> Bob S
>
> > On Jan 25, 2018, at 12:29 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > whats the error? ... i use sqlite with standalones as files and in memory
> > ..without problems.
>
>
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From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jan 25 20:19:43 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:19:43 -0800
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <8222590D-560E-4A26-9834-180684740A4E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
	<88316c32-5443-66a5-eed1-307774c291ba@sonic.net>
	<8222590D-560E-4A26-9834-180684740A4E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <80454d1f-2029-5173-cc06-935f32e19524@sonic.net>

On 01/25/2018 05:03 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Oh how the pure have fallen! ;-) That would work but it's soooo dirty!

True, but your stack isn't exactly living in HelloWorldLand.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 20:23:27 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:23:27 -0800
Subject: Navigator now supports converting controls to script-only stack
	behaviors
In-Reply-To: <fb22a093-b85c-f974-4573-d6e1890c77ef@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqro=sXjZjgt0hdkqsxoihSTz=GmBR=Ckv5uoWP0KykRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_XR7hsBtWfQvy54sd_JzE5Nze4uknGGSGHLMfBFxpUjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqKq9WEcZngG=Ui=TSLo64WcVF0GnXbVtNqudiM3XYKJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb22a093-b85c-f974-4573-d6e1890c77ef@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrsKy=gapS-HziXXSg_G+KOopu7Co=nH8PhBRFG_Hijgg@mail.gmail.com>

I think I have it figured out -- Mikey suggested GitKraken, and that seems
to work pretty well. I got the hang of how the branch/commit process works
with a test directory and some simple text files. I'm thinking of making a
"seriously, for beginners" video of that process. The one remaining
stumbling block was that I had cloned the Navigator repository to an
incorrectly-named folder on my local drive because I didn't notice the
option to name the target folder for the clone. Noticed that, re-cloned,
and all was (I think) well.

Thanks all for the input!

gc


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Jan 25 20:25:26 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:25:26 -0800
Subject: Navigator now supports converting controls to script-only stack
	behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrsKy=gapS-HziXXSg_G+KOopu7Co=nH8PhBRFG_Hijgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqro=sXjZjgt0hdkqsxoihSTz=GmBR=Ckv5uoWP0KykRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_XR7hsBtWfQvy54sd_JzE5Nze4uknGGSGHLMfBFxpUjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqKq9WEcZngG=Ui=TSLo64WcVF0GnXbVtNqudiM3XYKJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb22a093-b85c-f974-4573-d6e1890c77ef@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtrsKy=gapS-HziXXSg_G+KOopu7Co=nH8PhBRFG_Hijgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrjqDUn4_H4tWFptfzpq7t-nF3Fy00egiP7w_BxLWcqdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Also: the bug has been fixed. GitHub and the download on my Navigator page
have been updated. I also have a separate branch where I'm improving the
handlers menu. Woot!


From tom at makeshyft.com  Thu Jan 25 20:32:00 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 20:32:00 -0500
Subject: Chained behavior performance seems fine
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRamAdQNvYFWkHO=WDA8eHpu8LTheP8VOCs2mQ2e2vm8Vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtq-K+CgU7L36esPetF85BfaRnHS7dfY1AjFoiP95WUVww@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRamAdQNvYFWkHO=WDA8eHpu8LTheP8VOCs2mQ2e2vm8Vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB6Qv0NcYbLY0vMavHdi5uhXTY-Ff4OFLjBq3if0dBxWeg@mail.gmail.com>

cool thanks for sharing that little test. solves that curiosity.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:59 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Wow, I hope you scripted setting up that test...
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:35 PM Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I was curious about the performance of chained behaviors, so I created a
> > stack to time them. I compared a button with a behavior to a button with
> a
> > chain of 100 behaviors, with the code in the very last button.
> >
> > The performance diving through 99 extra behavior links was pretty decent
> --
> > I was calling this simple function:
> >
> > function test100
> >     return 100
> > end test100
> >
> > Calling it 1,000,000 times through one behavior took about 1.0 seconds,
> > calling it the same number of times through 100 behaviors took about 2.4
> > seconds.
> >
> > Given that 100 behaviors is an absurd depth to go to, that seems
> perfectly
> > reasonable.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jan 25 21:32:56 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 20:32:56 -0600
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <A4CC2986-BC5C-484C-8AF7-20E671132731@iotecdigital.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1612fd9e6a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A4CC2986-BC5C-484C-8AF7-20E671132731@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <95a1f072-892b-cd18-1ff2-244674bde51a@hyperactivesw.com>

I might not have been clear. You'd keep the login stack a toplevel stack 
all the time. In whatever handler actually launches that stack, you'd 
check the environment and only open it as modal if the environment is 
"standalone".

During development the login stack is toplevel. It should be able to 
retrieve db info normally in that mode. The reason you want a modal is 
so that users can't click away until the data loads, but as the 
developer you'd know not to do that. You'd just wait for the data and 
then proceed normally.

Seems like the simplest solution to me. A toplevel stack won't hinder 
development or standalone builds, and it will show up as modal if the 
environment is "standalone" (or if it's not "development", or whatever 
other test you want to apply.)

On 1/25/18 7:02 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> I assume because it's opened modally, and the builder obviously needs to open another stack but can't because the modal stack is blocking the progress of the script that told my app to open it. (I know it's confisung but that is how modality works I guess).
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 16:24 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Regardless of the stack mode, why wouldn't it retrieve info? As the developer you'd know not to click elsewhere until the data is there, right?
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Thu Jan 25 21:48:33 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 18:48:33 -0800
Subject: Navigator now supports converting controls to script-only stack
	behaviors
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrjqDUn4_H4tWFptfzpq7t-nF3Fy00egiP7w_BxLWcqdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqA6PLzCmT8pAzjjiJVXE2ykkmW5_gvmZ5i80bPYMX+Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqro=sXjZjgt0hdkqsxoihSTz=GmBR=Ckv5uoWP0KykRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG_XR7hsBtWfQvy54sd_JzE5Nze4uknGGSGHLMfBFxpUjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqKq9WEcZngG=Ui=TSLo64WcVF0GnXbVtNqudiM3XYKJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb22a093-b85c-f974-4573-d6e1890c77ef@sonic.net>
	<CAKCLKtrsKy=gapS-HziXXSg_G+KOopu7Co=nH8PhBRFG_Hijgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrjqDUn4_H4tWFptfzpq7t-nF3Fy00egiP7w_BxLWcqdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c8739ec-6ac8-2992-6630-c09a772d0b6e@sonic.net>

On 01/25/2018 05:25 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode wrote:
> Also: the bug has been fixed. GitHub and the download on my Navigator page
> have been updated. I also have a separate branch where I'm improving the
> handlers menu. Woot!

Woot indeed. Sounds like you're on a roll.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 02:54:04 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 23:54:04 -0800
Subject: Navigator saves stackfiles, script menu supports unlimited behaviors
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrogSrBBb-rq4DRDOJstGqewanuEXpDqz06cfncw8NEjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Added a "Save StackFiles" menu item to the popup menu when right-clicking
on a stack or multiple stacks. This is especially useful for stacks using
script-only behaviors. With one command it saves all the stacks referenced
in the stack's stackfiles property. This is particularly useful for stacks
that use a large number of behaviors (like Navigator). Note: this does not
save the stack itself -- use the existing "Save" menu item for that.

The Scripts menu now supports unlimited chained behaviors. It will display
the handlers in all chained behaviors in submenus under each behavior's
name, with the object's own handlers, if any, at the bottom of the menu.
The Send... menu is organized similarly, and can send any public on,
command, function, getprop or setprop handlers.

Source control is awesome.


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jan 26 06:41:45 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 12:41:45 +0100
Subject: "clear" a command?
Message-ID: <6F6DA0EA-4004-4124-A1EF-4DF3F27D0476@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

I just saw a code snippet in the german LC forum,
did not believe it would work, tested it and in fact it DID?

Here the line in question:
...
clear the last word in field 1
...
That actually deletes the last word of a field!? Holy Moses!

According to the docs "clear" is just one of the many INK blendmodes.
I'm completely puzzled! 

Any comment appreciated. :-)


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch  Fri Jan 26 07:15:32 2018
From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:15:32 +0100
Subject: Question about script-only stacks
Message-ID: <D13C9371-8834-4C02-89E1-A7FF3C8E6AE2@id.uzh.ch>

There seems a lot of hype recently about script-only stacks.
I agree that they are cool vor GIT and work perfectly, but
it came to my mind - how are you go about it when you want to
protect your scripts.

Are they also encrypted by a password when you compile a stack,
and if not what would be the best way to d it ?

Cheers
Rolf



From hh at hyperhh.de  Fri Jan 26 07:43:52 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:43:52 +0100
Subject: "clear" a command?
Message-ID: <4FE6FA8D-AB58-491D-8E94-21A2C47243E5@hyperhh.de>

According to dictionary:
"clear chunk" is a synonym to "delete chunk".




From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jan 26 07:46:13 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:46:13 +0100
Subject: "clear" a command?
In-Reply-To: <4FE6FA8D-AB58-491D-8E94-21A2C47243E5@hyperhh.de>
References: <4FE6FA8D-AB58-491D-8E94-21A2C47243E5@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <3B27C9A0-F2D9-4CE4-AF70-535941CA3516@major-k.de>

Hi Hermann,

> Am 26.01.2018 um 13:43 schrieb hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> According to dictionary:
> "clear chunk" is a synonym to "delete chunk".

ah, yes, sorry, I only looked for "clear".
Thanks for the hint!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From hh at hyperhh.de  Fri Jan 26 07:51:19 2018
From: hh at hyperhh.de (hh)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:51:19 +0100
Subject: "clear" a command?
Message-ID: <FE7C2572-844C-41D1-96C3-1A16820FE15A@hyperhh.de>

Klaus wrote: ... I only looked for "clear".

You never used that?
This is a symptom for ... (forgot the name of that disease).





From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jan 26 07:55:32 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:55:32 +0100
Subject: "clear" a command?
In-Reply-To: <FE7C2572-844C-41D1-96C3-1A16820FE15A@hyperhh.de>
References: <FE7C2572-844C-41D1-96C3-1A16820FE15A@hyperhh.de>
Message-ID: <F4E77018-2729-4DD7-A731-13A027DC44FE@major-k.de>

Hi Hermann,

> Am 26.01.2018 um 13:51 schrieb hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Klaus wrote: ... I only looked for "clear".
> 
> You never used that?

no, never even heard of that in the last 18 years of using MC and Rev and LC.

> This is a symptom for ... (forgot the name of that disease).

"Malmsheimer", like in Jochen M., the german cabaret artist, I think...? 8-)


Best

Klaus (or was it Shirley?)
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Jan 26 08:49:22 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:49:22 +0000
Subject: Question about script-only stacks
In-Reply-To: <D13C9371-8834-4C02-89E1-A7FF3C8E6AE2@id.uzh.ch>
References: <D13C9371-8834-4C02-89E1-A7FF3C8E6AE2@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG94MTTXCaKHbOOxF6ZcmhWAxOSwsqh9Jn9qzvt30Xh-ZA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 6:16 AM Rolf Kocherhans via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> There seems a lot of hype recently about script-only stacks.
> I agree that they are cool vor GIT and work perfectly, but
> it came to my mind - how are you go about it when you want to
> protect your scripts.
>
> Are they also encrypted by a password when you compile a stack,
> and if not what would be the best way to d it ?


You would need to convert the script only stacks to regular stacks and set
the password when you deploy your app.

The Levure framework packager will perform this conversion for you when you
build standalones with it. This gives you the benefit of source control
while you develop but password protection when you distribute.

Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps

>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan 26 10:43:18 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:43:18 +0000
Subject: What Env Variable set when saving standalone?
In-Reply-To: <95a1f072-892b-cd18-1ff2-244674bde51a@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <464A69E6-D29A-4BAE-BA31-417CBD94FAB4@iotecdigital.com>
	<3a392582-c3df-c5ba-49aa-914acf870e7d@sonic.net>
	<3066875F-ED23-448B-9511-34EFD2206260@iotecdigital.com>
	<ca793aab-b57b-835c-1927-0ae527394197@sonic.net>
	<01C361F0-1CD3-4B5A-AE5B-0C4EB60BF4BA@iotecdigital.com>
	<a51d5553-d423-810e-bdfa-8d5a8acc4adb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9B14CFF6-0069-4446-92EA-0630A0FF46E3@iotecdigital.com>
	<1612fd9e6a8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A4CC2986-BC5C-484C-8AF7-20E671132731@iotecdigital.com>
	<95a1f072-892b-cd18-1ff2-244674bde51a@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AC900906-3C07-4E1A-A40E-AA3622BD582D@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Jacque. I'm sure I could do some kind of workaround like that, but I actually use the app while in dev mode, which is the main way I debug it, and need the login stack to open modally in that environment to get what I need to function. Maybe what I will do is check for a modifier key like the optionKey down to open modally in dev env. 

Bob S


> On Jan 25, 2018, at 18:32 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I might not have been clear. You'd keep the login stack a toplevel stack all the time. In whatever handler actually launches that stack, you'd check the environment and only open it as modal if the environment is "standalone".
> 
> During development the login stack is toplevel. It should be able to retrieve db info normally in that mode. The reason you want a modal is so that users can't click away until the data loads, but as the developer you'd know not to do that. You'd just wait for the data and then proceed normally.
> 
> Seems like the simplest solution to me. A toplevel stack won't hinder development or standalone builds, and it will show up as modal if the environment is "standalone" (or if it's not "development", or whatever other test you want to apply.)
> 
> On 1/25/18 7:02 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> I assume because it's opened modally, and the builder obviously needs to open another stack but can't because the modal stack is blocking the progress of the script that told my app to open it. (I know it's confisung but that is how modality works I guess).
>> Bob S
>>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 16:24 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Regardless of the stack mode, why wouldn't it retrieve info? As the developer you'd know not to click elsewhere until the data is there, right?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan 26 10:46:53 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:46:53 +0000
Subject: "clear" a command?
In-Reply-To: <F4E77018-2729-4DD7-A731-13A027DC44FE@major-k.de>
References: <FE7C2572-844C-41D1-96C3-1A16820FE15A@hyperhh.de>
	<F4E77018-2729-4DD7-A731-13A027DC44FE@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <8A304EA1-596A-4089-AD37-31591200EE53@iotecdigital.com>

I used to play the Cabaret in high school. ;-)

Bob S


> On Jan 26, 2018, at 04:55 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Hermann,
> 
>> Am 26.01.2018 um 13:51 schrieb hh via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Klaus wrote: ... I only looked for "clear".
>> 
>> You never used that?
> 
> no, never even heard of that in the last 18 years of using MC and Rev and LC.
> 
>> This is a symptom for ... (forgot the name of that disease).
> 
> "Malmsheimer", like in Jochen M., the german cabaret artist, I think...? 8-)
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus (or was it Shirley?)
> --
> Klaus Major




From irog at mac.com  Fri Jan 26 10:56:29 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:56:29 -0700
Subject: Preserving Detailed Field Content
Message-ID: <74052F79-268A-480B-91E0-E17B869A86C1@mac.com>

I have a multiple line field with some lines of different color and strikeout textStyle. If I set the custom property, the cContent, of that field to the field itself, the textColor and TextStyle of each line is lost. Is there a simple way to capture the contents of a field with varied textColor and textStyle preserved?

Sorry if this sounds confusing.

Thanks very much,

Roger

From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jan 26 11:00:22 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:00:22 -0500
Subject: Preserving Detailed Field Content
In-Reply-To: <74052F79-268A-480B-91E0-E17B869A86C1@mac.com>
References: <74052F79-268A-480B-91E0-E17B869A86C1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d396be$c8b62810$5a227830$@net>

Roger,

The htmltext will preserve all of that.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
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Of Roger Guay via use-livecode
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 10:56 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Roger Guay
Subject: Preserving Detailed Field Content

I have a multiple line field with some lines of different color and
strikeout textStyle. If I set the custom property, the cContent, of that
field to the field itself, the textColor and TextStyle of each line is lost.
Is there a simple way to capture the contents of a field with varied
textColor and textStyle preserved?

Sorry if this sounds confusing.

Thanks very much,

Roger
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jan 26 10:59:06 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:59:06 +0100
Subject: Preserving Detailed Field Content
In-Reply-To: <74052F79-268A-480B-91E0-E17B869A86C1@mac.com>
References: <74052F79-268A-480B-91E0-E17B869A86C1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <00787442-C943-40B2-B371-FAD2F8CFC572@major-k.de>

Hi Roger,

> Am 26.01.2018 um 16:56 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I have a multiple line field with some lines of different color and strikeout textStyle. If I set the custom property, the cContent, of that field to the field itself, the textColor and TextStyle of each line is lost. Is there a simple way to capture the contents of a field with varied textColor and textStyle preserved?
> 
> Sorry if this sounds confusing.

it doesn't! :-)

Just set the custom property to the HTMLTEXT of the field!
And restore THAT later.

> Thanks very much,
> 
> Roger

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jan 26 11:00:08 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:00:08 +0000
Subject: Preserving Detailed Field Content
In-Reply-To: <74052F79-268A-480B-91E0-E17B869A86C1@mac.com>
References: <74052F79-268A-480B-91E0-E17B869A86C1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8C133089-3D35-4F44-A2AF-FF689890F4D7@iotecdigital.com>

Get and set the rtftext of the field. 

Bob S


> On Jan 26, 2018, at 07:56 , Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a multiple line field with some lines of different color and strikeout textStyle. If I set the custom property, the cContent, of that field to the field itself, the textColor and TextStyle of each line is lost. Is there a simple way to capture the contents of a field with varied textColor and textStyle preserved?
> 
> Sorry if this sounds confusing.
> 
> Thanks very much,
> 
> Roger




From irog at mac.com  Fri Jan 26 11:01:27 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 09:01:27 -0700
Subject: Preserving Detailed Field Content
In-Reply-To: <8C133089-3D35-4F44-A2AF-FF689890F4D7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <74052F79-268A-480B-91E0-E17B869A86C1@mac.com>
	<8C133089-3D35-4F44-A2AF-FF689890F4D7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <65018296-290C-406A-9612-E1411C1F3987@mac.com>

And thanks to you too, Bob.

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Get and set the rtftext of the field. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 07:56 , Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a multiple line field with some lines of different color and strikeout textStyle. If I set the custom property, the cContent, of that field to the field itself, the textColor and TextStyle of each line is lost. Is there a simple way to capture the contents of a field with varied textColor and textStyle preserved?
>> 
>> Sorry if this sounds confusing.
>> 
>> Thanks very much,
>> 
>> Roger
> 
> 
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From irog at mac.com  Fri Jan 26 11:08:32 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 09:08:32 -0700
Subject: Preserving Detailed Field Content
In-Reply-To: <65018296-290C-406A-9612-E1411C1F3987@mac.com>
References: <74052F79-268A-480B-91E0-E17B869A86C1@mac.com>
	<8C133089-3D35-4F44-A2AF-FF689890F4D7@iotecdigital.com>
	<65018296-290C-406A-9612-E1411C1F3987@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F6377F26-B1F2-47C7-8FA4-21F76C54B93F@mac.com>

Don?t mean to clutter this list, but I want to be sure to thank Ralph and Klaus and Bob for responses within 5 minutes of my posting.

What a great resource this list is!!

Roger

> On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> And thanks to you too, Bob.
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Get and set the rtftext of the field. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 07:56 , Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a multiple line field with some lines of different color and strikeout textStyle. If I set the custom property, the cContent, of that field to the field itself, the textColor and TextStyle of each line is lost. Is there a simple way to capture the contents of a field with varied textColor and textStyle preserved?
>>> 
>>> Sorry if this sounds confusing.
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much,
>>> 
>>> Roger
>> 
>> 
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From paul at livecode.org  Fri Jan 26 12:16:08 2018
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 09:16:08 -0800
Subject: "clear" a command?
In-Reply-To: <6F6DA0EA-4004-4124-A1EF-4DF3F27D0476@major-k.de>
References: <6F6DA0EA-4004-4124-A1EF-4DF3F27D0476@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <B042F62D-D0AA-4EDE-B80C-83E4AF8C511F@livecode.org>

Because ?clear? is also a synonym of ?delete?. :-)

Paul



> On Jan 26, 2018, at 3:41 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> I just saw a code snippet in the german LC forum,
> did not believe it would work, tested it and in fact it DID?
> 
> Here the line in question:
> ...
> clear the last word in field 1
> ...
> That actually deletes the last word of a field!? Holy Moses!
> 
> According to the docs "clear" is just one of the many INK blendmodes.
> I'm completely puzzled! 
> 
> Any comment appreciated. :-)
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jan 26 12:20:24 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 18:20:24 +0100
Subject: "clear" a command?
In-Reply-To: <B042F62D-D0AA-4EDE-B80C-83E4AF8C511F@livecode.org>
References: <6F6DA0EA-4004-4124-A1EF-4DF3F27D0476@major-k.de>
	<B042F62D-D0AA-4EDE-B80C-83E4AF8C511F@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <7479EF05-204B-43EE-82DB-D8B2F6AFFD56@major-k.de>

Hi Paul,

> Am 26.01.2018 um 18:16 schrieb Paul Hibbert via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Because ?clear? is also a synonym of ?delete?. :-)

I came to exact the same conclusion! :-D

> Paul
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2018, at 3:41 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> I just saw a code snippet in the german LC forum,
>> did not believe it would work, tested it and in fact it DID?
>> Here the line in question:
>> ...
>> clear the last word in field 1
>> ...
>> That actually deletes the last word of a field!? Holy Moses!
>> According to the docs "clear" is just one of the many INK blendmodes.

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From tom at makeshyft.com  Fri Jan 26 12:50:57 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 12:50:57 -0500
Subject: is it safe to rely on the hash of a livecode variable from a
	character encoding standpoint?
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB64U9FDci1pbcVhi6EXDVC0Lm9GsL2YqbXNtnefOa97vw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I want to ask how likely it is that at some point in the future some change
in character encoding could start producing a different hash for the same
sentence? just thinking about the nightmare scenarios facing a project that
heavily uses hashing to verify and address content......in international
characters......to boot.

Any thoughts on this would really help me out to not make a mistake in my
approach.

Thanks,

Tom


From mark at livecode.com  Fri Jan 26 13:31:37 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 19:31:37 +0100
Subject: is it safe to rely on the hash of a livecode variable from a
	character encoding =?UTF-8?Q?standpoint=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAEk4XB64U9FDci1pbcVhi6EXDVC0Lm9GsL2YqbXNtnefOa97vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEk4XB64U9FDci1pbcVhi6EXDVC0Lm9GsL2YqbXNtnefOa97vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <160c79cdb98dc9c01c2e175abfc68e0d@livecode.com>

On 2018-01-26 18:50, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I want to ask how likely it is that at some point in the future some 
> change
> in character encoding could start producing a different hash for the 
> same
> sentence? just thinking about the nightmare scenarios facing a project 
> that
> heavily uses hashing to verify and address content......in 
> international
> characters......to boot.

The hash/digest functions (e.g. sha1Digest) operate on binary data. So 
if you do:

   put sha1Digest("foobar")

Then "foobar" is first converted to binary data using the native 
encoding (i.e. the backwards-compatibility rule we have), then that is 
hashed.

In every case where you produce a hash you have to explicitly choose an 
encoding - so pick you favourite (unicode friendly!) encoding and do:

   get sha1Digest(textEncode(tMyString, tMyEncoding))

If you are generating hashes of strings to send to existing things, then 
it should say *somewhere* in the docs of the thing you are sending what 
encoding to use before applying the hash.

Also be aware that unicode allows the 'same' string to be encoded in 
multiple ways - so its probably wise to choose a normalization form 
first too (see normalizeText) - otherwise you could have two strings 
which look the same (e.g. e,acute / e-acute) but hash to a different 
value.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jan 26 14:11:14 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:11:14 -0800
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <a8cdb24e-51cd-9a19-d3c1-980517c8b758@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0a32ffe40c5d469daf9f4ca41b6b226d@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtp3mrov=kQ0XsDOaPr511cXCBAta+Y1jAvLe0H+m=4+Ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPOyuiksm780kAqq77GKG7tLK0vP=BsbaDNmz0EimD2xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8cdb24e-51cd-9a19-d3c1-980517c8b758@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <22da619d-dcc2-4cfa-0334-fbc133773401@sonic.net>

On 01/23/2018 01:15 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> On 1/23/18 12:27 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>> @JLG I thought with "breaktpoint" you could debug SOS behaviors
> 
> I haven't actually tried that yet. It would be more difficult to avoid 
> debugging when you just want to run the stack normally but would be 
> better than nothing. I suppose you'd need to remember to remove all the 
> breakpoint commands from the SOS files at some point. Have you tried it 
> yet?
> 

I can't say anything definitive about the Business-level remote 
debugging mechanism, but I can say that with PowerDebug you can ship a 
standalone app with breakpoints intact without problems. Breakpoints 
have (almost) no effect in standalone apps unless there is a debugger 
waiting around to catch the traceBreak etc messages. (The 'almost' in 
that sentence is because each invocation of a breakpoint command will 
issue a traceBreak message, but the effect is the same as dispatching 
any message that doesn't get handled, and is too small to be measured. 
Since the built-in remote debugger works in a similar fashion over a 
socket connection, I can't imagine there would be any difference.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From tom at makeshyft.com  Fri Jan 26 14:55:59 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 14:55:59 -0500
Subject: is it safe to rely on the hash of a livecode variable from a
	character encoding standpoint?
In-Reply-To: <160c79cdb98dc9c01c2e175abfc68e0d@livecode.com>
References: <CAEk4XB64U9FDci1pbcVhi6EXDVC0Lm9GsL2YqbXNtnefOa97vw@mail.gmail.com>
	<160c79cdb98dc9c01c2e175abfc68e0d@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB6VZThUHkJovqpySC5LUmgLwXfKWm=5dxRp38bx7rF_xQ@mail.gmail.com>

wow i am glad I asked..thanks for the detailed answer Mark.

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 1:31 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 2018-01-26 18:50, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I want to ask how likely it is that at some point in the future some
>> change
>> in character encoding could start producing a different hash for the same
>> sentence? just thinking about the nightmare scenarios facing a project
>> that
>> heavily uses hashing to verify and address content......in international
>> characters......to boot.
>>
>
> The hash/digest functions (e.g. sha1Digest) operate on binary data. So if
> you do:
>
>   put sha1Digest("foobar")
>
> Then "foobar" is first converted to binary data using the native encoding
> (i.e. the backwards-compatibility rule we have), then that is hashed.
>
> In every case where you produce a hash you have to explicitly choose an
> encoding - so pick you favourite (unicode friendly!) encoding and do:
>
>   get sha1Digest(textEncode(tMyString, tMyEncoding))
>
> If you are generating hashes of strings to send to existing things, then
> it should say *somewhere* in the docs of the thing you are sending what
> encoding to use before applying the hash.
>
> Also be aware that unicode allows the 'same' string to be encoded in
> multiple ways - so its probably wise to choose a normalization form first
> too (see normalizeText) - otherwise you could have two strings which look
> the same (e.g. e,acute / e-acute) but hash to a different value.
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Mark.
>
> --
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 15:29:47 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 12:29:47 -0800
Subject: Reloading script-only stacks
Message-ID: <AAA1D3E2-C9B7-43EF-BD63-661EBFD75476@gmail.com>

With version control, switching branches switches out SoS files. Is it best/necessary to then run through the stackfiles and set the destroystack of each to true and close/reopen them? Or is there a better way?

gc


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 26 15:42:10 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 14:42:10 -0600
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <22da619d-dcc2-4cfa-0334-fbc133773401@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0a32ffe40c5d469daf9f4ca41b6b226d@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtp3mrov=kQ0XsDOaPr511cXCBAta+Y1jAvLe0H+m=4+Ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPOyuiksm780kAqq77GKG7tLK0vP=BsbaDNmz0EimD2xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8cdb24e-51cd-9a19-d3c1-980517c8b758@hyperactivesw.com>
	<22da619d-dcc2-4cfa-0334-fbc133773401@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <390be2a6-4839-251f-4816-a7a0dcf711cb@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/26/18 1:11 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 01/23/2018 01:15 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
>> On 1/23/18 12:27 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode wrote:
>>> @JLG I thought with "breaktpoint" you could debug SOS behaviors
>>
>> I haven't actually tried that yet. It would be more difficult to avoid 
>> debugging when you just want to run the stack normally but would be 
>> better than nothing. I suppose you'd need to remember to remove all 
>> the breakpoint commands from the SOS files at some point. Have you 
>> tried it yet?
>>
> 
> I can't say anything definitive about the Business-level remote 
> debugging mechanism, but I can say that with PowerDebug you can ship a 
> standalone app with breakpoints intact without problems. Breakpoints 
> have (almost) no effect in standalone apps unless there is a debugger 
> waiting around to catch the traceBreak etc messages. (The 'almost' in 
> that sentence is because each invocation of a breakpoint command will 
> issue a traceBreak message, but the effect is the same as dispatching 
> any message that doesn't get handled, and is too small to be measured. 
> Since the built-in remote debugger works in a similar fashion over a 
> socket connection, I can't imagine there would be any difference.
> 

The deal is, if the standalone is anywhere near a running copy of the 
IDE, remote debugging will kick in and stop the script (assuming the 
"breakpoint" command works as expected.) To avoid that, you'd need to 
either quit LC, or restart it and refuse the remote connection.

If you're just using red-dot breakpoints then it isn't as difficult to 
remove them, you can just use the "remove all breakpoints" menu item.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Fri Jan 26 16:27:29 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:27:29 -0800
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <390be2a6-4839-251f-4816-a7a0dcf711cb@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0a32ffe40c5d469daf9f4ca41b6b226d@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtp3mrov=kQ0XsDOaPr511cXCBAta+Y1jAvLe0H+m=4+Ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPOyuiksm780kAqq77GKG7tLK0vP=BsbaDNmz0EimD2xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8cdb24e-51cd-9a19-d3c1-980517c8b758@hyperactivesw.com>
	<22da619d-dcc2-4cfa-0334-fbc133773401@sonic.net>
	<390be2a6-4839-251f-4816-a7a0dcf711cb@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <dfe8e8b3-f598-63b5-6cc8-b632b152875c@sonic.net>

On 01/26/2018 12:42 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:

> The deal is, if the standalone is anywhere near a running copy of the 
> IDE, remote debugging will kick in and stop the script (assuming the 
> "breakpoint" command works as expected.) To avoid that, you'd need to 
> either quit LC, or restart it and refuse the remote connection.

Yes, that's the way it's supposed to work. So maybe I misunderstood... 
you want a standalone app that's launched in the same subnet where 
there's a running IDE? How about if you just disable Script Debug Mode 
from the menubar? That *should* (fingers crossed) cause breakpoints to 
be ignored. It does here, but then again I don't have the Business 
remote debugger.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jan 26 17:20:36 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:20:36 -0600
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <dfe8e8b3-f598-63b5-6cc8-b632b152875c@sonic.net>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0a32ffe40c5d469daf9f4ca41b6b226d@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtp3mrov=kQ0XsDOaPr511cXCBAta+Y1jAvLe0H+m=4+Ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPOyuiksm780kAqq77GKG7tLK0vP=BsbaDNmz0EimD2xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8cdb24e-51cd-9a19-d3c1-980517c8b758@hyperactivesw.com>
	<22da619d-dcc2-4cfa-0334-fbc133773401@sonic.net>
	<390be2a6-4839-251f-4816-a7a0dcf711cb@hyperactivesw.com>
	<dfe8e8b3-f598-63b5-6cc8-b632b152875c@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <ae62152e-f5e4-800a-792f-8e7a81f076e8@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/26/18 3:27 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
> On 01/26/2018 12:42 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> The deal is, if the standalone is anywhere near a running copy of the 
>> IDE, remote debugging will kick in and stop the script (assuming the 
>> "breakpoint" command works as expected.) To avoid that, you'd need to 
>> either quit LC, or restart it and refuse the remote connection.
> 
> Yes, that's the way it's supposed to work. So maybe I misunderstood... 
> you want a standalone app that's launched in the same subnet where 
> there's a running IDE? How about if you just disable Script Debug Mode 
> from the menubar? That *should* (fingers crossed) cause breakpoints to 
> be ignored. It does here, but then again I don't have the Business 
> remote debugger.
> 

I forgot about the menu item. You're right, that would be the solution.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From brahma at hindu.org  Fri Jan 26 18:04:03 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 23:04:03 +0000
Subject: Crazy script-only stack question
In-Reply-To: <390be2a6-4839-251f-4816-a7a0dcf711cb@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAKCLKtpukupA=app7hsmBkwLexj6Z=n_QzL5WkYTdWKeo++vog@mail.gmail.com>
	<4470762ccddf1d5170d6d16ac6d3e7a3@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtoMHosTc1Q-98dAe5axzkFi1NFROPK5mMntu5eQgWewTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0a32ffe40c5d469daf9f4ca41b6b226d@livecode.com>
	<CAKCLKtp3mrov=kQ0XsDOaPr511cXCBAta+Y1jAvLe0H+m=4+Ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPOyuiksm780kAqq77GKG7tLK0vP=BsbaDNmz0EimD2xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<a8cdb24e-51cd-9a19-d3c1-980517c8b758@hyperactivesw.com>
	<22da619d-dcc2-4cfa-0334-fbc133773401@sonic.net>
	<390be2a6-4839-251f-4816-a7a0dcf711cb@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <89C51662-9EA3-4F4D-BEF8-706695C1CFA8@hindu.org>

Jacque wrote:

    If you're just using red-dot breakpoints then it isn't as difficult to 
    remove them, you can just use the "remove all breakpoints" menu item.

I wonder if a case could be made for the IDE to also search and line in any script that = 

breakpoint

and either comment or delete it out?

BR


From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Jan 27 03:19:13 2018
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 09:19:13 +0100
Subject: Print cards difference between Mac and Win
Message-ID: <5896E8CD-38A6-45D8-B87F-0AFB58316C6E@laposte.net>

Hello,

I?ve made a stack (on macos) that print a card in pdf.
I set the printMargins to 0,0,0,0
I print the card "into 0,0,595,842" (the rect of the card)

To test i set the printCardBorders to true

On a mac, it?s perfect, the borders are at the limit of the ? pdf paper ?, if i create a standalone and open it on Windows and ? print ? the card in pdf, the right border is 1 cm from the edge and the lower border is not visible on the paper.

what did I miss?

Thanks in advance !

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan 27 11:17:55 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 11:17:55 -0500
Subject: Reloading script-only stacks
In-Reply-To: <AAA1D3E2-C9B7-43EF-BD63-661EBFD75476@gmail.com>
References: <AAA1D3E2-C9B7-43EF-BD63-661EBFD75476@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNqCrGRxF9Qcs37s3tOKxvvqv6gOY1b9Cy4BeeP4rFdwg@mail.gmail.com>

Check with Trevor - in Levure he waits for a signal on a port that ST sends
when there is a save and then magically reloads.

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> With version control, switching branches switches out SoS files. Is it
> best/necessary to then run through the stackfiles and set the destroystack
> of each to true and close/reopen them? Or is there a better way?
>
> gc
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jan 27 13:26:12 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:26:12 -0600
Subject: Good pinch-to-zoom in image object?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZ08sw7Mi1-17HGg+_pku_KBjnG8bAoH+xxh1muyrjhjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28d782d6-8f8e-840f-9734-105c15a4e1c8@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+yhkRZ08sw7Mi1-17HGg+_pku_KBjnG8bAoH+xxh1muyrjhjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRY=xddt7H487ffdhLFSKHER2ZsNnT=Uc6mos7RhhEZUyw@mail.gmail.com>

Here's what I came up with.  It is a little slow though.  It's pretty much
a port of the code that I linked.  I had to adapt to the way move events
are issued in LC (particularly that a touch start does not include
coordinates).  I also added the ability to continue moving when a zoom
stops (only one touch ended).  I initially was calling the "updateImage"
handler using send in time (and checking pending messages to avoid calling
multiple times), but the code is fast enough to not benefit from that
(adding delay made it less smooth, the "updateImage" handler always seemed
to finish before another move event was queued).

I put the code in the graphic.  I called the "initGraphic" handler from the
card preOpenCard handler.


local panning, \
      zooming, \
      startX0, startY0, \
      startX1, startY1, \
      endX0, endY0, \
      endX1, endY1, \
      startDistanceBetweenFingers, \
      endDistanceBetweenFingers, \
      pinchRatio, \
      imgWidth, imgHeight, \
      currentContinuousZoom, \
      currentOffsetX, currentOffsetY, \
      currentWidth, currentHeight, \
      newContinuousZoom, \
      newHeight, newWidth, \
      newOffsetX, newOffsetY, \
      centerPointStartX, centerPointStartY, \
      centerPointEndX, centerPointEndY, \
      translateFromZoomingX, translateFromZoomingY, \
      translateFromTranslatingX, translateFromTranslatingY, \
      translateTotalX, translateTotalY, \
      percentageOfImageAtPinchPointX, \
      percentageOfImageAtPinchPointY, \
      sTouchArray, sTouch0, sTouch1

on initGraphic
   local tLoc
   put the width of graphic "square" into imgWidth
   put the height of graphic "square" into imgHeight
   put 1.0 into currentContinuousZoom
   put the left of graphic "square" into currentOffsetX
   put the top of graphic "square" into currentOffsetY
   put imgWidth into currentWidth
   put imgHeight into currentHeight
end initGraphic

on touchMove pID, pX, pY
   -- capture current position
   put pX into sTouchArray[pID]["x"]
   put pY into sTouchArray[pID]["y"]

   -- since the touch start doesn't include location, need to handle
   -- the calculations here
   if sTouchArray[pID]["started"] is empty then
      put true into sTouchArray[pID]["started"]
      if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 1 then
         put pID into sTouch0
         put pX into startX0
         put pY into startY0
      else if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 2 then
         put pID into sTouch1
         put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["x"] into startX0
         put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["y"] into startY0
         put pX into startX1
         put pY into startY1
         put ((startX0 + startX1) / 2.0) into centerPointStartX
         put ((startY0 + startY1) / 2.0) into centerPointStartY
         put (centerPointStartX - currentOffsetX) / currentWidth \
               into percentageOfImageAtPinchPointX
         put (centerPointStartY - currentOffsetY) / currentHeight \
               into percentageOfImageAtPinchPointY
         put sqrt((startX1-startX0)^2 + (startY1-startY0)^2) \
               into startDistanceBetweenFingers
      end if
      updatePanZoomState
      exit touchMove
   end if

   -- record the end touch locations for the move
   if panning then
      put pX into endX0
      put pY into endY0
   else if zooming then
      put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["x"] into endX0
      put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["y"] into endY0
      put sTouchArray[sTouch1]["x"] into endX1
      put sTouchArray[sTouch1]["y"] into endY1
   end if

   updateImage
end touchMove

on touchEnd pID
   put true into sTouchArray[pID]["ended"]
   updateImage
end touchEnd

on updateImage
   lock screen
   if panning then
      put endX0 - startX0 into translateFromTranslatingX
      put endY0 - startY0 into translateFromTranslatingY
      put currentOffsetX + translateFromTranslatingX into newOffsetX
      put currentOffsetY + translateFromTranslatingY into newOffsetY
   else if zooming then
      -- Calculate current distance between points to get new-to-old pinch
      -- ratio and calc width and height
      put sqrt((endX1-endX0)^2 + (endY1-endY0)^2) \
            into endDistanceBetweenFingers
      put endDistanceBetweenFingers/startDistanceBetweenFingers into
pinchRatio
      put pinchRatio * currentContinuousZoom into newContinuousZoom
      put imgWidth * newContinuousZoom into newWidth
      put imgHeight * newContinuousZoom into newHeight

      -- Get the point between the two touches, relative to upper-left
corner of image
      put ((endX0 + endX1) / 2.0) into centerPointEndX
      put ((endY0 + endY1) / 2.0) into centerPointEndY

      -- This is the translation due to pinch-zooming
      put (currentWidth - newWidth) * percentageOfImageAtPinchPointX into
translateFromZoomingX
      put (currentHeight - newHeight) * percentageOfImageAtPinchPointY into
translateFromZoomingY

      -- And this is the translation due to translation of the centerpoint
between the two fingers
      put centerPointEndX - centerPointStartX into translateFromTranslatingX
      put centerPointEndY - centerPointStartY into translateFromTranslatingY

      -- Total translation is from two components:
      --    (1) changing height and width from zooming and
      --    (2) from the two fingers translating in unity
      put translateFromZoomingX + translateFromTranslatingX into
translateTotalX
      put translateFromZoomingY + translateFromTranslatingY into
translateTotalY

      -- the new offset is the old/current one plus the total translation
component
      put currentOffsetX + translateTotalX into newOffsetX
      put currentOffsetY + translateTotalY into newOffsetY

      -- Set the image attributes on the card
      set the width of graphic "square" to newWidth
      set the height of graphic "square" to newHeight
   end if
   set the left of graphic "square" to newOffsetX
   set the top of graphic "square" to newOffsetY

   -- clear touch array for ended touches after updating
   repeat for each key tKey in sTouchArray
      if sTouchArray[tKey]["ended"] then
         if tKey is sTouch0 then
            put sTouch1 into sTouch0
            put endX1 into endX0
            put endY1 into endY0
         end if
         if panning or zooming then
            put newOffsetX into currentOffsetX
            put newOffsetY into currentOffsetY
         end if
         if zooming then
            put newWidth into currentWidth
            put newHeight into currentHeight
            put newContinuousZoom into currentContinuousZoom
            put endX0 into startX0
            put endY0 into startY0
         end if
         delete variable sTouchArray[tKey]
      end if
   end repeat
   updatePanZoomState
   unlock screen
end updateImage

on updatePanZoomState
   put false into panning
   put false into zooming
   if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 1 then
      put true into panning
   else if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 2 then
      put true into zooming
   end if
end updatePanZoomState


From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jan 27 14:06:16 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 19:06:16 +0000
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
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	<CA+yhkRbjbzhkRf0n-u41QDf1hn5nXr9Mo4PbqJ6NB8w1ix5VZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRY5fZ0MM_h8_9zz=A7ZpzsCCY40wTZhDJ0Rj70UWbv6uQ@mail.gmail.com>

On first look, I see the same terms in the increase and decrease RegEx.
I?ll need to figure out where the Atom data is and look at it in my seat.

Do you have any specific recipes that are not acting correctly that I could
walk through?
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 6:44 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It's similar.  It takes a bit of massaging to get one into the other,
> especially once you get into the more advanced regex because there are
> features that one supports and the other doesn't.  ST's regex engine is
> customized more than Atom's is.
>
> Here's the proposed not-quite-final indent rules file:
>
>
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <plist version="1.0">
> <dict>
> <key>name</key>
> <string>LiveCode Script Indentation</string>
> <key>scope</key>
> <string>source.livecode</string>
> <key>settings</key>
> <!-- documenation found at
>
> http://docs.sublimetext.info/en/latest/reference/metadata.html?highlight=indentation
> -->
> <dict>
> <key>increaseIndentPattern</key>
> <string><![CDATA[(?x)
> (?<comment>\s*(?:\#|--|/\*)){0}
> (?<eol_or_comment>\g<comment>|\s*\\?$){0}
> ^\s*
> (
> (on\s)
> | (private\s+)?(command|function)\s+
> | (else\g<eol_or_comment>)
> | (else\s+)?
> (if\s+.+?)?
> \bthen\g<eol_or_comment>
> | repeat\s
> | switch\s
> | case\s
> | default\b
> | try\b
> | catch\b
> | finally\b
> )
> ]]></string>
> <key>decreaseIndentPattern</key>
> <string>(?x)
> ^\s*
> (
> end\s+.
> | case\s+.
> | default\b
> | catch\b
> | finally\b
> )
> </string>
> <key>unIndentedLinePattern</key>
> <!-- ignore any lines matching this pattern when computing the next line's
> indent level -->
> <string>^\s*(?:#|--|/\*)</string><!-- i.e. any comments -->
> </dict>
> </dict>
> </plist>
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 7:16 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Is that the same stuff that Atom uses? I?m not that good at writing RegEx
> > from scratch, but wouldn?t mind taking a look. I don?t have ST, so I
> > wouldn?t be able to test there.
> > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Unfortunately I'm trying to fix the indenting in ST, so I'm stuck with
> > it.
> > > Then I asked for help.  The help is definitely better than what I came
> up
> > > with, but I have a couple of things I want to fix.  The help
> disappeared,
> > > and I'm having a hell of a time reading this because it uses some
> > advanced
> > > magic.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's because there are several flavors of RegEx. Nice huh?
> > > >
> > > > RegEx is in my opinion the top choice for inducing insanity. I have a
> > > > utility where you type in what you start with and what you want to
> end
> > up
> > > > with and it tries to figure out the regex for it. It's less than
> > perfect
> > > as
> > > > you can imagine.
> > > >
> > > > While RegEx is really handy when you need it, my feeling is to avoid
> it
> > > if
> > > > at all possible.
> > > >
> > > > Bob S
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jan 24, 2018, at 05:48 , Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> > > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > @Lagi, yes, exactly.
> > > > > I found another one last night: regex101.com/  That one is
> > interesting
> > > > > because it seems to support some expressions that the others do
> not.
> > > >
> > > >
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 27 14:31:45 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 13:31:45 -0600
Subject: Print cards difference between Mac and Win
In-Reply-To: <5896E8CD-38A6-45D8-B87F-0AFB58316C6E@laposte.net>
References: <5896E8CD-38A6-45D8-B87F-0AFB58316C6E@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <3352aa8d-f28e-ce35-4178-183e2add5ef9@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/27/18 2:19 AM, Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I?ve made a stack (on macos) that print a card in pdf.
> I set the printMargins to 0,0,0,0
> I print the card "into 0,0,595,842" (the rect of the card)
> 
> To test i set the printCardBorders to true
> 
> On a mac, it?s perfect, the borders are at the limit of the ? pdf paper ?, if i create a standalone and open it on Windows and ? print ? the card in pdf, the right border is 1 cm from the edge and the lower border is not visible on the paper.
> 
> what did I miss?

The printout (both paper and PDF) uses the local printer setup 
parameters to determine how to position the page. Probably the Windows 
default printer settings are different from those on the Mac. Many/most 
printers cannot print within a certain margin from the page edges 
(usually about 1/8 to 1/4 inch) so it sounds like the current page setup 
for the default Windows printer is doing that. At any rate, compare the 
Mac page setup dialog with the one on Windows to see if you can spot 
differences.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 27 14:47:50 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 11:47:50 -0800
Subject: Good pinch-to-zoom in image object?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRY=xddt7H487ffdhLFSKHER2ZsNnT=Uc6mos7RhhEZUyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRY=xddt7H487ffdhLFSKHER2ZsNnT=Uc6mos7RhhEZUyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7320344c-2930-e31d-d810-4b60e2081894@fourthworld.com>

Brian Milby wrote:

 > Here's what I came up with.  It is a little slow though.  It's pretty
 > much a port of the code that I linked.  I had to adapt to the way move
 > events are issued in LC (particularly that a touch start does not
 > include coordinates).  I also added the ability to continue moving
 > when a zoom stops (only one touch ended).  I initially was calling the
 > "updateImage" handler using send in time (and checking pending
 > messages to avoid calling multiple times), but the code is fast enough
 > to not benefit from that (adding delay made it less smooth, the
 > "updateImage" handler always seemed to finish before another move
 > event was queued).
 >
 > I put the code in the graphic.  I called the "initGraphic" handler
 > from the card preOpenCard handler.

Very kind of you, Brian.  Thanks!  Much obliged.

I just gave it a whirl and it seems to work rather well.  MUCH better 
for me than embedding an entire browser app inside my app just to get a 
good pinch.

Since I was working on an image rather than a graphic, I modded the 
script to use a script-local object specifier rather than the hard-wired 
graphic reference, then added a mouseDown handler to trigger your init 
so I could test it easily.

While I was at it I re-wrapped a few things to hopefully fit better here 
for others to easily copy-n-paste.

Thanks again - it's nicely done.

@Michael Doub:  another candidate for MasterLib?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


------


local panning, \
       zooming, \
       startX0, startY0, \
       startX1, startY1, \
       endX0, endY0, \
       endX1, endY1, \
       startDistanceBetweenFingers, \
       endDistanceBetweenFingers, \
       pinchRatio, \
       imgWidth, imgHeight, \
       currentContinuousZoom, \
       currentOffsetX, currentOffsetY, \
       currentWidth, currentHeight, \
       newContinuousZoom, \
       newHeight, newWidth, \
       newOffsetX, newOffsetY, \
       centerPointStartX, centerPointStartY, \
       centerPointEndX, centerPointEndY, \
       translateFromZoomingX, translateFromZoomingY, \
       translateFromTranslatingX, translateFromTranslatingY, \
       translateTotalX, translateTotalY, \
       percentageOfImageAtPinchPointX, \
       percentageOfImageAtPinchPointY, \
       sTouchArray, sTouch0, sTouch1

local sZoomObj

on mouseDown
    put the long id of me into sZoomObj -- Change this to specify object
    initGraphic
end mouseDown


on initGraphic
    local tLoc
    put the width of sZoomObj into imgWidth
    put the height of sZoomObj into imgHeight
    put 1.0 into currentContinuousZoom
    put the left of sZoomObj into currentOffsetX
    put the top of sZoomObj into currentOffsetY
    put imgWidth into currentWidth
    put imgHeight into currentHeight
end initGraphic

on touchMove pID, pX, pY
    -- capture current position
    put pX into sTouchArray[pID]["x"]
    put pY into sTouchArray[pID]["y"]

    -- since the touch start doesn't include location, need to handle
    -- the calculations here
    if sTouchArray[pID]["started"] is empty then
       put true into sTouchArray[pID]["started"]
       if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 1 then
          put pID into sTouch0
          put pX into startX0
          put pY into startY0
       else if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 2 then
          put pID into sTouch1
          put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["x"] into startX0
          put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["y"] into startY0
          put pX into startX1
          put pY into startY1
          put ((startX0 + startX1) / 2.0) into centerPointStartX
          put ((startY0 + startY1) / 2.0) into centerPointStartY
          put (centerPointStartX - currentOffsetX) / currentWidth \
                into percentageOfImageAtPinchPointX
          put (centerPointStartY - currentOffsetY) / currentHeight \
                into percentageOfImageAtPinchPointY
          put sqrt((startX1-startX0)^2 + (startY1-startY0)^2) \
                into startDistanceBetweenFingers
       end if
       updatePanZoomState
       exit touchMove
    end if

    -- record the end touch locations for the move
    if panning then
       put pX into endX0
       put pY into endY0
    else if zooming then
       put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["x"] into endX0
       put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["y"] into endY0
       put sTouchArray[sTouch1]["x"] into endX1
       put sTouchArray[sTouch1]["y"] into endY1
    end if

    updateImage
end touchMove

on touchEnd pID
    put true into sTouchArray[pID]["ended"]
    updateImage
end touchEnd

on updateImage
    lock screen
    if panning then
       put endX0 - startX0 into translateFromTranslatingX
       put endY0 - startY0 into translateFromTranslatingY
       put currentOffsetX + translateFromTranslatingX into newOffsetX
       put currentOffsetY + translateFromTranslatingY into newOffsetY
    else if zooming then
       -- Calculate current distance between points to get new-to-old
       -- pinch ratio and calc width and height
       put sqrt((endX1-endX0)^2 + (endY1-endY0)^2) \
             into endDistanceBetweenFingers
       put endDistanceBetweenFingers/startDistanceBetweenFingers \
          into pinchRatio
       put pinchRatio * currentContinuousZoom into newContinuousZoom
       put imgWidth * newContinuousZoom into newWidth
       put imgHeight * newContinuousZoom into newHeight

       -- Get the point between the two touches, relative to upper-left
       -- corner of image
       put ((endX0 + endX1) / 2.0) into centerPointEndX
       put ((endY0 + endY1) / 2.0) into centerPointEndY

       -- This is the translation due to pinch-zooming
       put (currentWidth - newWidth) * percentageOfImageAtPinchPointX \
          into translateFromZoomingX
       put (currentHeight - newHeight) * percentageOfImageAtPinchPointY \
          into translateFromZoomingY

       -- And this is the translation due to translation of the
       -- centerpoint between the two fingers
       put centerPointEndX - centerPointStartX into \
         translateFromTranslatingX
       put centerPointEndY - centerPointStartY into \
         translateFromTranslatingY

       -- Total translation is from two components:
       --    (1) changing height and width from zooming and
       --    (2) from the two fingers translating in unity
       put translateFromZoomingX + translateFromTranslatingX \
	 into translateTotalX
       put translateFromZoomingY + translateFromTranslatingY \
	 into translateTotalY

       -- the new offset is the old/current one plus the total
       -- translation component
       put currentOffsetX + translateTotalX into newOffsetX
       put currentOffsetY + translateTotalY into newOffsetY

       -- Set the image attributes on the card
       set the width of sZoomObj to newWidth
       set the height of sZoomObj to newHeight
    end if
    set the left of sZoomObj to newOffsetX
    set the top of sZoomObj to newOffsetY

    -- clear touch array for ended touches after updating
    repeat for each key tKey in sTouchArray
       if sTouchArray[tKey]["ended"] then
          if tKey is sTouch0 then
             put sTouch1 into sTouch0
             put endX1 into endX0
             put endY1 into endY0
          end if
          if panning or zooming then
             put newOffsetX into currentOffsetX
             put newOffsetY into currentOffsetY
          end if
          if zooming then
             put newWidth into currentWidth
             put newHeight into currentHeight
             put newContinuousZoom into currentContinuousZoom
             put endX0 into startX0
             put endY0 into startY0
          end if
          delete variable sTouchArray[tKey]
       end if
    end repeat
    updatePanZoomState
    unlock screen
end updateImage

on updatePanZoomState
    put false into panning
    put false into zooming
    if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 1 then
       put true into panning
    else if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 2 then
       put true into zooming
    end if
end updatePanZoomState






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 27 16:00:08 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 13:00:08 -0800
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
Message-ID: <2bd0e745-d040-d101-1c73-93f758bad57c@fourthworld.com>

I have the orientation on my phone locked to portrait. I'm sure I'm not 
the only person in the world who locks their orientation.

LiveCode is the only app on my phone that doesn't respect a locked 
orientation, freely jiggling around as I rotate my phone.

I can lock the orientation within my app, but I shouldn't have to.

And if I did, how could I know which orientation a user has locked to?

I can't find anything in the Dictionary that suggests how to resolve 
this, so I'm thinking of either of two Bugzilla submissions:

a) mobileActuallAllowedOrientations (or some more graceful name),
    a proposed function which returns the actual orientations the device
    is currently set to allow.

b) Bug report that LC doesn't respect the device's orientation lock.

Which do you folks feel is the better option?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Sat Jan 27 16:14:45 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:14:45 -0500
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <2bd0e745-d040-d101-1c73-93f758bad57c@fourthworld.com>
References: <2bd0e745-d040-d101-1c73-93f758bad57c@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>

Richard,

LC apps in iOS do respect the lock. This an Android only problem.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 4:00 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Richard Gaskin
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?

I have the orientation on my phone locked to portrait. I'm sure I'm not the
only person in the world who locks their orientation.

LiveCode is the only app on my phone that doesn't respect a locked
orientation, freely jiggling around as I rotate my phone.

I can lock the orientation within my app, but I shouldn't have to.

And if I did, how could I know which orientation a user has locked to?

I can't find anything in the Dictionary that suggests how to resolve this,
so I'm thinking of either of two Bugzilla submissions:

a) mobileActuallAllowedOrientations (or some more graceful name),
    a proposed function which returns the actual orientations the device
    is currently set to allow.

b) Bug report that LC doesn't respect the device's orientation lock.

Which do you folks feel is the better option?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com

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From hlowe at me.com  Sat Jan 27 16:28:09 2018
From: hlowe at me.com (hlowe)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 14:28:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <2bd0e745-d040-d101-1c73-93f758bad57c@fourthworld.com>
References: <2bd0e745-d040-d101-1c73-93f758bad57c@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1517088489086-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Richard,

Our iOS app works in both portrait and landscape modes on the iPhone and
iPad. With the device's software-based rotation lock (iOS Control Center)
set to 'on' the app's display is locked in portrait mode and will not switch
to landscape mode if the device (iPhone 6S and 10.5-inch iPad Pro) is
rotated. Using LC 8.1.9 (rc 1) and iOS 11.2.2

Perhaps I am misunderstanding the issue?

Henry

Ascriva Health Informatics
https://www.ascriva.com



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 27 16:43:56 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 13:43:56 -0800
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
References: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
Message-ID: <79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>

Thanks, Ralph.  Looks like a bug then - reported:
http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20916

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


Ralph DiMola wrote:
> Richard,
> 
> LC apps in iOS do respect the lock. This an Android only problem.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> I have the orientation on my phone locked to portrait. I'm sure I'm not the
> only person in the world who locks their orientation.
> 
> LiveCode is the only app on my phone that doesn't respect a locked
> orientation, freely jiggling around as I rotate my phone.
> 
> I can lock the orientation within my app, but I shouldn't have to.
> 
> And if I did, how could I know which orientation a user has locked to?
> 
> I can't find anything in the Dictionary that suggests how to resolve this,
> so I'm thinking of either of two Bugzilla submissions:
> 
> a) mobileActuallAllowedOrientations (or some more graceful name),
>     a proposed function which returns the actual orientations the device
>     is currently set to allow.
> 
> b) Bug report that LC doesn't respect the device's orientation lock.
> 
> Which do you folks feel is the better option?




From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jan 27 17:11:02 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 22:11:02 +0000
Subject: Good pinch-to-zoom in image object?
In-Reply-To: <7320344c-2930-e31d-d810-4b60e2081894@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+yhkRY=xddt7H487ffdhLFSKHER2ZsNnT=Uc6mos7RhhEZUyw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7320344c-2930-e31d-d810-4b60e2081894@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaiNy+0gAa+L5EveaM660YJxNk=ohqmDKyd4z5dC8M=Bw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks!

I guess it is time to set up a GitHub repo for stuff I work on. I think
this would be a good thing to post as a behavior stack only script.
On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 1:48 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Brian Milby wrote:
>
>  > Here's what I came up with.  It is a little slow though.  It's pretty
>  > much a port of the code that I linked.  I had to adapt to the way move
>  > events are issued in LC (particularly that a touch start does not
>  > include coordinates).  I also added the ability to continue moving
>  > when a zoom stops (only one touch ended).  I initially was calling the
>  > "updateImage" handler using send in time (and checking pending
>  > messages to avoid calling multiple times), but the code is fast enough
>  > to not benefit from that (adding delay made it less smooth, the
>  > "updateImage" handler always seemed to finish before another move
>  > event was queued).
>  >
>  > I put the code in the graphic.  I called the "initGraphic" handler
>  > from the card preOpenCard handler.
>
> Very kind of you, Brian.  Thanks!  Much obliged.
>
> I just gave it a whirl and it seems to work rather well.  MUCH better
> for me than embedding an entire browser app inside my app just to get a
> good pinch.
>
> Since I was working on an image rather than a graphic, I modded the
> script to use a script-local object specifier rather than the hard-wired
> graphic reference, then added a mouseDown handler to trigger your init
> so I could test it easily.
>
> While I was at it I re-wrapped a few things to hopefully fit better here
> for others to easily copy-n-paste.
>
> Thanks again - it's nicely done.
>
> @Michael Doub:  another candidate for MasterLib?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>
>
> ------
>
>
> local panning, \
>        zooming, \
>        startX0, startY0, \
>        startX1, startY1, \
>        endX0, endY0, \
>        endX1, endY1, \
>        startDistanceBetweenFingers, \
>        endDistanceBetweenFingers, \
>        pinchRatio, \
>        imgWidth, imgHeight, \
>        currentContinuousZoom, \
>        currentOffsetX, currentOffsetY, \
>        currentWidth, currentHeight, \
>        newContinuousZoom, \
>        newHeight, newWidth, \
>        newOffsetX, newOffsetY, \
>        centerPointStartX, centerPointStartY, \
>        centerPointEndX, centerPointEndY, \
>        translateFromZoomingX, translateFromZoomingY, \
>        translateFromTranslatingX, translateFromTranslatingY, \
>        translateTotalX, translateTotalY, \
>        percentageOfImageAtPinchPointX, \
>        percentageOfImageAtPinchPointY, \
>        sTouchArray, sTouch0, sTouch1
>
> local sZoomObj
>
> on mouseDown
>     put the long id of me into sZoomObj -- Change this to specify object
>     initGraphic
> end mouseDown
>
>
> on initGraphic
>     local tLoc
>     put the width of sZoomObj into imgWidth
>     put the height of sZoomObj into imgHeight
>     put 1.0 into currentContinuousZoom
>     put the left of sZoomObj into currentOffsetX
>     put the top of sZoomObj into currentOffsetY
>     put imgWidth into currentWidth
>     put imgHeight into currentHeight
> end initGraphic
>
> on touchMove pID, pX, pY
>     -- capture current position
>     put pX into sTouchArray[pID]["x"]
>     put pY into sTouchArray[pID]["y"]
>
>     -- since the touch start doesn't include location, need to handle
>     -- the calculations here
>     if sTouchArray[pID]["started"] is empty then
>        put true into sTouchArray[pID]["started"]
>        if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 1 then
>           put pID into sTouch0
>           put pX into startX0
>           put pY into startY0
>        else if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 2 then
>           put pID into sTouch1
>           put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["x"] into startX0
>           put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["y"] into startY0
>           put pX into startX1
>           put pY into startY1
>           put ((startX0 + startX1) / 2.0) into centerPointStartX
>           put ((startY0 + startY1) / 2.0) into centerPointStartY
>           put (centerPointStartX - currentOffsetX) / currentWidth \
>                 into percentageOfImageAtPinchPointX
>           put (centerPointStartY - currentOffsetY) / currentHeight \
>                 into percentageOfImageAtPinchPointY
>           put sqrt((startX1-startX0)^2 + (startY1-startY0)^2) \
>                 into startDistanceBetweenFingers
>        end if
>        updatePanZoomState
>        exit touchMove
>     end if
>
>     -- record the end touch locations for the move
>     if panning then
>        put pX into endX0
>        put pY into endY0
>     else if zooming then
>        put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["x"] into endX0
>        put sTouchArray[sTouch0]["y"] into endY0
>        put sTouchArray[sTouch1]["x"] into endX1
>        put sTouchArray[sTouch1]["y"] into endY1
>     end if
>
>     updateImage
> end touchMove
>
> on touchEnd pID
>     put true into sTouchArray[pID]["ended"]
>     updateImage
> end touchEnd
>
> on updateImage
>     lock screen
>     if panning then
>        put endX0 - startX0 into translateFromTranslatingX
>        put endY0 - startY0 into translateFromTranslatingY
>        put currentOffsetX + translateFromTranslatingX into newOffsetX
>        put currentOffsetY + translateFromTranslatingY into newOffsetY
>     else if zooming then
>        -- Calculate current distance between points to get new-to-old
>        -- pinch ratio and calc width and height
>        put sqrt((endX1-endX0)^2 + (endY1-endY0)^2) \
>              into endDistanceBetweenFingers
>        put endDistanceBetweenFingers/startDistanceBetweenFingers \
>           into pinchRatio
>        put pinchRatio * currentContinuousZoom into newContinuousZoom
>        put imgWidth * newContinuousZoom into newWidth
>        put imgHeight * newContinuousZoom into newHeight
>
>        -- Get the point between the two touches, relative to upper-left
>        -- corner of image
>        put ((endX0 + endX1) / 2.0) into centerPointEndX
>        put ((endY0 + endY1) / 2.0) into centerPointEndY
>
>        -- This is the translation due to pinch-zooming
>        put (currentWidth - newWidth) * percentageOfImageAtPinchPointX \
>           into translateFromZoomingX
>        put (currentHeight - newHeight) * percentageOfImageAtPinchPointY \
>           into translateFromZoomingY
>
>        -- And this is the translation due to translation of the
>        -- centerpoint between the two fingers
>        put centerPointEndX - centerPointStartX into \
>          translateFromTranslatingX
>        put centerPointEndY - centerPointStartY into \
>          translateFromTranslatingY
>
>        -- Total translation is from two components:
>        --    (1) changing height and width from zooming and
>        --    (2) from the two fingers translating in unity
>        put translateFromZoomingX + translateFromTranslatingX \
>          into translateTotalX
>        put translateFromZoomingY + translateFromTranslatingY \
>          into translateTotalY
>
>        -- the new offset is the old/current one plus the total
>        -- translation component
>        put currentOffsetX + translateTotalX into newOffsetX
>        put currentOffsetY + translateTotalY into newOffsetY
>
>        -- Set the image attributes on the card
>        set the width of sZoomObj to newWidth
>        set the height of sZoomObj to newHeight
>     end if
>     set the left of sZoomObj to newOffsetX
>     set the top of sZoomObj to newOffsetY
>
>     -- clear touch array for ended touches after updating
>     repeat for each key tKey in sTouchArray
>        if sTouchArray[tKey]["ended"] then
>           if tKey is sTouch0 then
>              put sTouch1 into sTouch0
>              put endX1 into endX0
>              put endY1 into endY0
>           end if
>           if panning or zooming then
>              put newOffsetX into currentOffsetX
>              put newOffsetY into currentOffsetY
>           end if
>           if zooming then
>              put newWidth into currentWidth
>              put newHeight into currentHeight
>              put newContinuousZoom into currentContinuousZoom
>              put endX0 into startX0
>              put endY0 into startY0
>           end if
>           delete variable sTouchArray[tKey]
>        end if
>     end repeat
>     updatePanZoomState
>     unlock screen
> end updateImage
>
> on updatePanZoomState
>     put false into panning
>     put false into zooming
>     if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 1 then
>        put true into panning
>     else if the number of lines of the keys of sTouchArray is 2 then
>        put true into zooming
>     end if
> end updatePanZoomState
>
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 27 17:51:22 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 14:51:22 -0800
Subject: Good pinch-to-zoom in image object?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRaiNy+0gAa+L5EveaM660YJxNk=ohqmDKyd4z5dC8M=Bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+yhkRaiNy+0gAa+L5EveaM660YJxNk=ohqmDKyd4z5dC8M=Bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d56efa1b-800e-686e-e339-bd8422f4c0d3@fourthworld.com>

All this has me wondering:  Have you ever seen a mobile app that 
displays images but *doesn't* support pinch-to-zoom?

I'm grateful Brian stepped up to the plate here, but what if a newcomer 
to the language wanted this very common feature and didn't know to ask here?

How long would it take someone new to the language to figure out how to 
write that?

Or more to the point:

Would it make sense if allowing an image to support pinch-to-zoom were 
as easy and fun as so much of LiveCode, perhaps driven by a property?

    set the zoomable of img 1 to true

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 27 18:12:47 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 17:12:47 -0600
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
References: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
	<79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <ef7d8e5a-d5ec-69a6-ed68-4d348c92bc0e@hyperactivesw.com>

Ralph DiMola wrote:
>
> LC apps in iOS do respect the lock. This an Android only problem. 

I'm curious, if the app only supports landscape and the phone is locked 
to portrait, what does iOS display? On Android you get a tiny 
representation that reaches across the width of the phone with large 
blank areas above and below.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 27 18:18:48 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 17:18:48 -0600
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
References: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
	<79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <fec53fd6-0eb9-cc0d-5799-ee96959c7046@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/27/18 3:43 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> Thanks, Ralph.? Looks like a bug then - reported:
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20916
> 

I'd have to think about this. If the alternative is to only have a tiny 
misrepresentation of a landscape-only stack, do we want the behavior 
changed? How do other apps, like some games, handle this situation?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jan 27 18:49:26 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 23:49:26 +0000
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRY5fZ0MM_h8_9zz=A7ZpzsCCY40wTZhDJ0Rj70UWbv6uQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbjbzhkRf0n-u41QDf1hn5nXr9Mo4PbqJ6NB8w1ix5VZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRY5fZ0MM_h8_9zz=A7ZpzsCCY40wTZhDJ0Rj70UWbv6uQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYkhnEuYNik-ca5+Fbezpn2Ws6sfSy6Os-4wBbtbN8Y=g@mail.gmail.com>

I did take a look at Atom and is also has some duplicates in the
increase/decrease sections.  It seems to work to out dent the line.  For
example, if you type ?switch? the next line will start indented one level.
When you type ?case? it moves that line out and the next one is indented.
This actually works fine in normal use.  In the middle of the case block
you are already indented.  Starting a new case will push that line out.
The down side is that you have to manually indent the first case after it
gets pushed out.


From alex at tweedly.net  Sat Jan 27 19:01:16 2018
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 00:01:16 +0000
Subject: Good pinch-to-zoom in image object?
In-Reply-To: <d56efa1b-800e-686e-e339-bd8422f4c0d3@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+yhkRaiNy+0gAa+L5EveaM660YJxNk=ohqmDKyd4z5dC8M=Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<d56efa1b-800e-686e-e339-bd8422f4c0d3@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <29aef4ca-b839-81b6-d492-ee2f3e036c39@tweedly.net>

On 27/01/2018 22:51, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> All this has me wondering:? Have you ever seen a mobile app that 
> displays images but *doesn't* support pinch-to-zoom?
>
Ummm - on IOS I can think of? (I've just re-tested these to be certain):
Facebook
WhatsApp
kind of ... Instagram
 ??? (it zooms - but then shrinks back as soon as you release, so it's 
barely usable, unlike other apps which hold the zoom level and allow you 
to move the zoomed image around)

and also I believe, Amazon App (I can't retest it now - I was so 
annoyed/disappointed with the app that I deleted it for various reasons 
- but I am sure inability to zoom properly was one of them). Now, on IOS 
I only use Amazon through Safari? - and even then Amazon doesn't show 
all the info available on a laptop, unless you specifically tell 
Safari/IOS to pretend to be desktop version).

But - yes, I absolutely agree - 'zoomable' would be a useful property.
-- Alex.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 27 19:16:36 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:16:36 -0800
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <fec53fd6-0eb9-cc0d-5799-ee96959c7046@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fec53fd6-0eb9-cc0d-5799-ee96959c7046@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <67ab0358-1d7c-903e-b8a4-452ce5500198@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

 > On 1/27/18 3:43 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
 >> Thanks, Ralph.  Looks like a bug then - reported:
 >> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20916
 >>
 >
 > I'd have to think about this. If the alternative is to only have a
 > tiny misrepresentation of a landscape-only stack, do we want the
 > behavior changed?
 >
 > How do other apps, like some games, handle this situation?

Good question.  You can check out some on your phone, but a quick check 
here:

- YouTube: respect my preference until I fullscreen a video, then
   the video fills the screen in landscape until I return from
   fullscreen.

- Netflix: respects the locked orientation until playing a video,
   then goes to fullscreen landscape until I stop the video.

- HBO Now: same as Netflix.

- Amazon: always respects locked orientation, unless playing
   video, then acts as Netflix does.

I guess I don't have a lot of apps that are landscape-only.

IIRC I did once have a game on this phone, and it opened full-screen in 
landscape regardless of my orientation lock.  Seems reasonable, because 
as you say that app experience wouldn't make sense in portrait.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From brian at milby7.com  Sat Jan 27 19:17:12 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 18:17:12 -0600
Subject: Good pinch-to-zoom in image object?
In-Reply-To: <29aef4ca-b839-81b6-d492-ee2f3e036c39@tweedly.net>
References: <CA+yhkRaiNy+0gAa+L5EveaM660YJxNk=ohqmDKyd4z5dC8M=Bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<d56efa1b-800e-686e-e339-bd8422f4c0d3@fourthworld.com>
	<29aef4ca-b839-81b6-d492-ee2f3e036c39@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRa+S0bOsUM8ZNVb+iQX6CvR_UBJHcrV-h1oTHPj0f3kjQ@mail.gmail.com>

That would be really cool (zoomable property)!  It could be wired to do
pan, zoom, and rotate (possibly as separate properties).

I put this on GitHub:
https://github.com/bwmilby/lc-misc/tree/master/PinchZoom

My first go was trying to use more arrays, but renaming the variable on the
fly got to be too much of a pain.  I may go back and make them more in line
with LC best practices (and really could use one large array).

I posted it as a script only stack, but I couldn't get it to work that
way.  I copied it into a button and set that as the behavior and it worked
fine.  I'm sure it is just a problem with the way I'm trying to do it.
It's mostly what Richard posted, but I changed it to a `touchStart` message
(and just wrapped the init code directly).  What was really cool though is
that I was zooming a compiled SVG drawing in an image.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On 27/01/2018 22:51, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> All this has me wondering:  Have you ever seen a mobile app that displays
>> images but *doesn't* support pinch-to-zoom?
>>
>> Ummm - on IOS I can think of  (I've just re-tested these to be certain):
> Facebook
> WhatsApp
> kind of ... Instagram
>     (it zooms - but then shrinks back as soon as you release, so it's
> barely usable, unlike other apps which hold the zoom level and allow you to
> move the zoomed image around)
>
> and also I believe, Amazon App (I can't retest it now - I was so
> annoyed/disappointed with the app that I deleted it for various reasons -
> but I am sure inability to zoom properly was one of them). Now, on IOS I
> only use Amazon through Safari  - and even then Amazon doesn't show all the
> info available on a laptop, unless you specifically tell Safari/IOS to
> pretend to be desktop version).
>
> But - yes, I absolutely agree - 'zoomable' would be a useful property.
> -- Alex.
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jan 27 19:24:53 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:24:53 -0800
Subject: Good pinch-to-zoom in image object?
In-Reply-To: <29aef4ca-b839-81b6-d492-ee2f3e036c39@tweedly.net>
References: <29aef4ca-b839-81b6-d492-ee2f3e036c39@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <bf16568d-9f9b-6181-3176-eea8fc835d1a@fourthworld.com>

Alex Tweedly wrote:

 > On 27/01/2018 22:51, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
 >> All this has me wondering:  Have you ever seen a mobile app that
 >> displays images but *doesn't* support pinch-to-zoom?
 >>
 > Ummm - on IOS I can think of  (I've just re-tested these to be
 > certain):
 > Facebook
 > WhatsApp
 > kind of ... Instagram
 >      (it zooms - but then shrinks back as soon as you release, so it's
 > barely usable, unlike other apps which hold the zoom level and allow
 > you to move the zoomed image around)
 >
 > and also I believe, Amazon App (I can't retest it now - I was so
 > annoyed/disappointed with the app that I deleted it for various
 > reasons - but I am sure inability to zoom properly was one of them).

We're way OT on this, but FWIW FB does support zooming if you tap the 
link below the image labeled something like "See Full Image".

Similarly, Amazon does but only after you tap on the image so it opens 
the image viewer.

And yes, Instagram's snap-back is super-annoying.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From brahma at hindu.org  Sat Jan 27 21:34:43 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 02:34:43 +0000
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <fec53fd6-0eb9-cc0d-5799-ee96959c7046@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
	<79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
	<fec53fd6-0eb9-cc0d-5799-ee96959c7046@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <46374A78-DB1A-42E2-A06A-416F2A28B4F5@hindu.org>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

    If the alternative is to only have a tiny 
    misrepresentation of a landscape-only stack, do we want the behavior 
    changed? How do other apps, like some games, handle this situation?

What Ralph said: Android bug? I think the question then becomes  "how do other apps, like some games, handle this situation on Android?" My guess is (to say the obvious) they will render "sideways"  at the time they are opened and regardless of orientation. 

Confirmed here with our puzzle on iOS. I just locked my phone to portrait. tapped on the link to open the puzzle and it auto set to full landscape (0,0 at lower left corner) and rendered vertically with the left side of the stack on the bottom of the screen.  And yes, on my pixel, it renders left to right in a "tiny" form.. until you actually turn your phone sideways.

@Richard, I confirmed at bug 20916, 

BR




    
    


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jan 27 23:14:16 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 22:14:16 -0600
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <67ab0358-1d7c-903e-b8a4-452ce5500198@fourthworld.com>
References: <fec53fd6-0eb9-cc0d-5799-ee96959c7046@hyperactivesw.com>
	<67ab0358-1d7c-903e-b8a4-452ce5500198@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1613af909d8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

On January 27, 2018 6:18:34 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> IIRC I did once have a game on this phone, and it opened full-screen in
> landscape regardless of my orientation lock.  Seems reasonable, because
> as you say that app experience wouldn't make sense in portrait.

That's what I was talking about. In some cases you do want the app to force 
an orientation regardless of the user lock. If LC always forces compliance 
we'll just have a different problem.

Maybe we need some kind of override property.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com





From iowahengst at mac.com  Sun Jan 28 09:12:06 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 08:12:06 -0600
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <ef7d8e5a-d5ec-69a6-ed68-4d348c92bc0e@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
	<79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
	<ef7d8e5a-d5ec-69a6-ed68-4d348c92bc0e@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3639CB78-8375-49B9-8D65-296D663D30C0@mac.com>

All of my apps are iOS only. And virtually all are landscape only. When the iPhone is set to portrait lock, my apps still open as landscape orientation? that?s how they were designed. I wouldn?t want the user to have to take the extra steps to unlock the orientation.

II do have a couple apps that are in portrait orientation only. When the user has the device in landscape, the app still opens as portrait.

be well,
randy
classroomFocusedSoftware
-----
> On Jan 27, 2018, at 5:12 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> 
>> LC apps in iOS do respect the lock. This an Android only problem. 
> 
> I'm curious, if the app only supports landscape and the phone is locked to portrait, what does iOS display? On Android you get a tiny representation that reaches across the width of the phone with large blank areas above and below.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Sun Jan 28 12:59:21 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 11:59:21 -0600
Subject: iOS Submission -- Invalid Binary
Message-ID: <007EF884-9F23-4C89-935F-B693C0E3D26E@mac.com>

Hi All,

I?ve just submitted an iPad-only iOS app using
MacOS 10.12.6 
LC 8.1.3
Xcode 8.2.1.

I received this from Apple:
----------
Dear developer,

We have discovered one or more issues with your recent delivery for "Finger Glove COUNTING". To process your delivery, the following issues must be corrected:

Invalid Binary - The app contains one or more corrupted binaries. Rebuild the app and resubmit.

----------

Does that mean I need to change my LC/Xcode combination used for the build?

As I reviewed list comments, I saw a reference to using Xcode 9.2 when submitted for the new iPhone X? this app doesn?t do that.

Thanks for any thoughts.


be well,
randy
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com




From mark at livecode.com  Sun Jan 28 13:38:24 2018
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 18:38:24 +0000
Subject: iOS Submission -- Invalid Binary
In-Reply-To: <007EF884-9F23-4C89-935F-B693C0E3D26E@mac.com>
References: <007EF884-9F23-4C89-935F-B693C0E3D26E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1A703EE4-3750-478C-BA56-FF5D55A94299@livecode.com>

Hi Randy,

Yes - you need to use a more recent version of 8.1 - the current maintenance release is 8.1.8.

Apple tightened there analysis of binaries recently which caught a mis-written field in 64-bit parts of iOS binaries. Not something which ever caused a problem at runtime - but falls foul of whatever checks the AppStore upload process does.

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Jan 2018, at 17:59, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I?ve just submitted an iPad-only iOS app using
> MacOS 10.12.6 
> LC 8.1.3
> Xcode 8.2.1.
> 
> I received this from Apple:
> ----------
> Dear developer,
> 
> We have discovered one or more issues with your recent delivery for "Finger Glove COUNTING". To process your delivery, the following issues must be corrected:
> 
> Invalid Binary - The app contains one or more corrupted binaries. Rebuild the app and resubmit.
> 
> ----------
> 
> Does that mean I need to change my LC/Xcode combination used for the build?
> 
> As I reviewed list comments, I saw a reference to using Xcode 9.2 when submitted for the new iPhone X? this app doesn?t do that.
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts.
> 
> 
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
> 
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jan 28 13:49:31 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 18:49:31 +0000
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <3639CB78-8375-49B9-8D65-296D663D30C0@mac.com>
References: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
	<79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
	<ef7d8e5a-d5ec-69a6-ed68-4d348c92bc0e@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3639CB78-8375-49B9-8D65-296D663D30C0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRaXOtYG=+K3tni3WETJB35k9MoxxJ43m5u+G8niDdZvGQ@mail.gmail.com>

This should be pretty easy... if the app is built to support multiple
orientations the it respects the lock. If it is built to only support one
orientation, it should override the lock. From the thread it seems iOS
already works this way. I don?t think the app should have to do any
checking for this, it should just work.
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:12 AM Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> All of my apps are iOS only. And virtually all are landscape only. When
> the iPhone is set to portrait lock, my apps still open as landscape
> orientation? that?s how they were designed. I wouldn?t want the user to
> have to take the extra steps to unlock the orientation.
>
> II do have a couple apps that are in portrait orientation only. When the
> user has the device in landscape, the app still opens as portrait.
>
> be well,
> randy
> classroomFocusedSoftware
> -----
> > On Jan 27, 2018, at 5:12 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ralph DiMola wrote:
> >>
> >> LC apps in iOS do respect the lock. This an Android only problem.
> >
> > I'm curious, if the app only supports landscape and the phone is locked
> to portrait, what does iOS display? On Android you get a tiny
> representation that reaches across the width of the phone with large blank
> areas above and below.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sun Jan 28 14:06:53 2018
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:06:53 +0100
Subject: Print cards difference between Mac and Win
In-Reply-To: <3352aa8d-f28e-ce35-4178-183e2add5ef9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5896E8CD-38A6-45D8-B87F-0AFB58316C6E@laposte.net>
	<3352aa8d-f28e-ce35-4178-183e2add5ef9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <645ED0A2-621D-4E5B-AD5F-0EA1D8CB7BAB@laposte.net>


> Le 27 janv. 2018 ? 20:31, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> a ?crit :
> 
> On 1/27/18 2:19 AM, Ludovic THEBAULT via use-livecode wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I?ve made a stack (on macos) that print a card in pdf.
>> I set the printMargins to 0,0,0,0
>> I print the card "into 0,0,595,842" (the rect of the card)
>> To test i set the printCardBorders to true
>> On a mac, it?s perfect, the borders are at the limit of the ? pdf paper ?, if i create a standalone and open it on Windows and ? print ? the card in pdf, the right border is 1 cm from the edge and the lower border is not visible on the paper.
>> what did I miss?
> 
> The printout (both paper and PDF) uses the local printer setup parameters to determine how to position the page. Probably the Windows default printer settings are different from those on the Mac. Many/most printers cannot print within a certain margin from the page edges (usually about 1/8 to 1/4 inch) so it sounds like the current page setup for the default Windows printer is doing that. At any rate, compare the Mac page setup dialog with the one on Windows to see if you can spot differences.

Thanks.

I set the printPaperSize to ? 595,842" and it?s ok now.


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Sun Jan 28 14:50:25 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 14:50:25 -0500
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <1613af909d8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <fec53fd6-0eb9-cc0d-5799-ee96959c7046@hyperactivesw.com>	<67ab0358-1d7c-903e-b8a4-452ce5500198@fourthworld.com>
	<1613af909d8.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <003701d39871$40e0ff50$c2a2fdf0$@net>

That's what I was think of...

Here's the deal in order to give any UI experience using LCS:

1) We need a property called "overideDeviceOrientationLock" (or whatever you
want to call it).
   a) if true then apps can allow any orientation regardless of the devices
settings.
   B) If false the app is locked into the device's settings.
2) If your app is open and the device is changed to lock into orientation
"A". If the app's "overideDeviceOrientationLock" is false, if the app is not
currently in orientation "A" then the screen is rotated to orientation "A"
and the standard orientationchanged and resizestack messages are sent. 
3) If the device is in orientation "A" and the LCS orientations allowed is
set to "B" and either the device is not locked in a specific orientation OR
"overideDeviceOrientationLock" is set to true then screen is rotated to
orientation "B" and the standard orientationchanged and resizestack messages
are sent.
4) Forcing an app to change orientation via LCS(using allowed orientations)
works only iPhones but not for iPads or Android. If your iPhone is in
orientation "A" and LCS changes the allowed orientation is set to "B", the
screen will rotate and the appropriate messages are sent, but like I said
not on iPads or Android.

If we implement #1 and fix #4 and LC uses rules #2 and #3, then all options
are available.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 11:14 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: J. Landman Gay
Subject: Re: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?

On January 27, 2018 6:18:34 PM Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> IIRC I did once have a game on this phone, and it opened full-screen 
> in landscape regardless of my orientation lock.  Seems reasonable, 
> because as you say that app experience wouldn't make sense in portrait.

That's what I was talking about. In some cases you do want the app to force
an orientation regardless of the user lock. If LC always forces compliance
we'll just have a different problem.

Maybe we need some kind of override property.

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



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From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Jan 28 15:04:36 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:04:36 +0000
Subject: Artifacts on screen from closed stacks on Android
Message-ID: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>

We are getting reports (and screen shot and screen videos) from some Android users that show artifacts from a previously opened Stack A, when opening Stack B

where

Stack A is explicitly closed and has both destroyStack and destroyWindow set to true.

In the absence of being able to reproduce these residual closed-destroyed stack artifacts issues on my Pixel (and HQ can't either) I am wondering if there is some hack, that will not affect performance too much, to forcibly clear out the pixels of the previously opened stack?  Details below:

There is bug report on this already

http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20810

You can see screen shots there from a Galaxy A7 (2017) running Nougat? this is not an underpowered phone..

but it's hanging  under "Pending Followup" --  this was a mid-holiday report? so perhaps now that we are all "back at it" we ca work on this.

Two examples are

1) least offensive scenario:

Stack A may have a background image set 1028 X 1028? a lo-res image, centered so that regardless of the device width or height, using fullScreenMode, this background will fill..

Then we open a stack that has no such background and is constrained to 414 wide? if the device screen ration is a bit off then this will be pillar boxed? some stripes, left and right? and these are filled with the image of the previous stack A. Even Though Stack A, and it's window is destroyed.

2) worst case scenario

Entire image map of Stack B is not fully rendered.. even get some bizarre tiles or squares with odd colors or image data from Stack A, and only one area of Stack B is rendered like some weird inlay or overlay on top of the pixel map of Stack A.

Again, all stacks have their stack and window set to destroy and are explicitly closed after Stack B is opened. You must have a stack open and visible on Mobile or the app will crash, so that's why we leave Stack A open and only close it *after* Stack B is opened.

I have no recipe for this, and so HQ is at a loss. we also don't see this on our Pixel. Though I think I did occasionally see #1 above, but never #2.

I have yet to issue an update using "go in window" which Mark W. has recommended. But apparently we still need to explicitly close Stack A even if we "go  "Stack B" in window "Stack A"  and rather than issue this update, only to find it doesn't help.. I was fishing for a "clean up the video display ram" solution?

And side question:

What is the difference between destroyStack and destroyWindow. From the dictionary definitions, they appear to do the same thing, but we have them as separate props in the PI, so I presume they are not synonyms but have separate functions. Mute, because I set both to true for all stacks.. but still wondering the difference?

BR







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From iowahengst at mac.com  Sun Jan 28 15:13:32 2018
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 14:13:32 -0600
Subject: iOS Submission -- Invalid Binary
In-Reply-To: <1A703EE4-3750-478C-BA56-FF5D55A94299@livecode.com>
References: <007EF884-9F23-4C89-935F-B693C0E3D26E@mac.com>
	<1A703EE4-3750-478C-BA56-FF5D55A94299@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <2A66EED4-FEF6-47D9-A1E1-EE8683C82FDC@mac.com>

Thank you, Mark.

I?ll give that a go.

be well,
randy
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com


> On Jan 28, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Randy,
> 
> Yes - you need to use a more recent version of 8.1 - the current maintenance release is 8.1.8.
> 
> Apple tightened there analysis of binaries recently which caught a mis-written field in 64-bit parts of iOS binaries. Not something which ever caused a problem at runtime - but falls foul of whatever checks the AppStore upload process does.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Jan 2018, at 17:59, Randy Hengst via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I?ve just submitted an iPad-only iOS app using
>> MacOS 10.12.6 
>> LC 8.1.3
>> Xcode 8.2.1.
>> 
>> I received this from Apple:
>> ----------
>> Dear developer,
>> 
>> We have discovered one or more issues with your recent delivery for "Finger Glove COUNTING". To process your delivery, the following issues must be corrected:
>> 
>> Invalid Binary - The app contains one or more corrupted binaries. Rebuild the app and resubmit.
>> 
>> ----------
>> 
>> Does that mean I need to change my LC/Xcode combination used for the build?
>> 
>> As I reviewed list comments, I saw a reference to using Xcode 9.2 when submitted for the new iPhone X? this app doesn?t do that.
>> 
>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>> 
>> 
>> be well,
>> randy
>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>> 
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 28 15:16:51 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 14:16:51 -0600
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRaXOtYG=+K3tni3WETJB35k9MoxxJ43m5u+G8niDdZvGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
	<79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
	<ef7d8e5a-d5ec-69a6-ed68-4d348c92bc0e@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3639CB78-8375-49B9-8D65-296D663D30C0@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRaXOtYG=+K3tni3WETJB35k9MoxxJ43m5u+G8niDdZvGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1613e6a5338.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>

My thoughts exactly. So the Android bug is that it doesn't do that.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



On January 28, 2018 12:51:30 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode 
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This should be pretty easy... if the app is built to support multiple
> orientations the it respects the lock. If it is built to only support one
> orientation, it should override the lock. From the thread it seems iOS
> already works this way. I don?t think the app should have to do any
> checking for this, it should just work.
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:12 AM Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> All of my apps are iOS only. And virtually all are landscape only. When
>> the iPhone is set to portrait lock, my apps still open as landscape
>> orientation? that?s how they were designed. I wouldn?t want the user to
>> have to take the extra steps to unlock the orientation.
>>
>> II do have a couple apps that are in portrait orientation only. When the
>> user has the device in landscape, the app still opens as portrait.
>>
>> be well,
>> randy
>> classroomFocusedSoftware
>> -----
>> > On Jan 27, 2018, at 5:12 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> >>
>> >> LC apps in iOS do respect the lock. This an Android only problem.
>> >
>> > I'm curious, if the app only supports landscape and the phone is locked
>> to portrait, what does iOS display? On Android you get a tiny
>> representation that reaches across the width of the phone with large blank
>> areas above and below.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> >
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jan 28 15:35:07 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 20:35:07 +0000
Subject: Artifacts on screen from closed stacks on Android
In-Reply-To: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>
References: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZfV+TzsmHdCjq6vLeHbqgM2adMZ_oMi7=exhhA6VMdrA@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried a blank background image on stack B to explicitly overwrite
the buffer for areas outside of the stack? That may help problem 1 but
probably won?t help problem 2.
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:05 PM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> We are getting reports (and screen shot and screen videos) from some
> Android users that show artifacts from a previously opened Stack A, when
> opening Stack B
>
> where
>
> Stack A is explicitly closed and has both destroyStack and destroyWindow
> set to true.
>
> In the absence of being able to reproduce these residual closed-destroyed
> stack artifacts issues on my Pixel (and HQ can't either) I am wondering if
> there is some hack, that will not affect performance too much, to forcibly
> clear out the pixels of the previously opened stack?  Details below:
>
> There is bug report on this already
>
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20810
>
> You can see screen shots there from a Galaxy A7 (2017) running Nougat?
> this is not an underpowered phone..
>
> but it's hanging  under "Pending Followup" --  this was a mid-holiday
> report? so perhaps now that we are all "back at it" we ca work on this.
>
> Two examples are
>
> 1) least offensive scenario:
>
> Stack A may have a background image set 1028 X 1028? a lo-res image,
> centered so that regardless of the device width or height, using
> fullScreenMode, this background will fill..
>
> Then we open a stack that has no such background and is constrained to 414
> wide? if the device screen ration is a bit off then this will be pillar
> boxed? some stripes, left and right? and these are filled with the image of
> the previous stack A. Even Though Stack A, and it's window is destroyed.
>
> 2) worst case scenario
>
> Entire image map of Stack B is not fully rendered.. even get some bizarre
> tiles or squares with odd colors or image data from Stack A, and only one
> area of Stack B is rendered like some weird inlay or overlay on top of the
> pixel map of Stack A.
>
> Again, all stacks have their stack and window set to destroy and are
> explicitly closed after Stack B is opened. You must have a stack open and
> visible on Mobile or the app will crash, so that's why we leave Stack A
> open and only close it *after* Stack B is opened.
>
> I have no recipe for this, and so HQ is at a loss. we also don't see this
> on our Pixel. Though I think I did occasionally see #1 above, but never #2.
>
> I have yet to issue an update using "go in window" which Mark W. has
> recommended. But apparently we still need to explicitly close Stack A even
> if we "go  "Stack B" in window "Stack A"  and rather than issue this
> update, only to find it doesn't help.. I was fishing for a "clean up the
> video display ram" solution?
>
> And side question:
>
> What is the difference between destroyStack and destroyWindow. From the
> dictionary definitions, they appear to do the same thing, but we have them
> as separate props in the PI, so I presume they are not synonyms but have
> separate functions. Mute, because I set both to true for all stacks.. but
> still wondering the difference?
>
> BR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Svasti Astu, Be Well
> Brahmanathaswami
> www.himalayanacademy.com<http://www.himalayanacademy.com> Get SivaSiva
> App Today--It's Free!
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jan 28 16:08:01 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:08:01 +0000
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <1613e6a5338.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
	<79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
	<ef7d8e5a-d5ec-69a6-ed68-4d348c92bc0e@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3639CB78-8375-49B9-8D65-296D663D30C0@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRaXOtYG=+K3tni3WETJB35k9MoxxJ43m5u+G8niDdZvGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1613e6a5338.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZwP1xwUatFZq4par2AyB0wL3WXCyMf3-TpaPH-tq3AOg@mail.gmail.com>

Some of this is already available at least on iPhone. If you set the only
allowed orientation (mobileSetAllowedOrientations) to landscape then the
app will immediately switch regardless of the device lock setting.

I did not see a way to query whether the use has their orientation locked,
but that really shouldn?t matter. If the app requires a different
orientation the it should switch to it just like many video apps do when
showing video.
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:17 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> My thoughts exactly. So the Android bug is that it doesn't do that.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
>
> On January 28, 2018 12:51:30 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > This should be pretty easy... if the app is built to support multiple
> > orientations the it respects the lock. If it is built to only support one
> > orientation, it should override the lock. From the thread it seems iOS
> > already works this way. I don?t think the app should have to do any
> > checking for this, it should just work.
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:12 AM Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> All of my apps are iOS only. And virtually all are landscape only. When
> >> the iPhone is set to portrait lock, my apps still open as landscape
> >> orientation? that?s how they were designed. I wouldn?t want the user to
> >> have to take the extra steps to unlock the orientation.
> >>
> >> II do have a couple apps that are in portrait orientation only. When the
> >> user has the device in landscape, the app still opens as portrait.
> >>
> >> be well,
> >> randy
> >> classroomFocusedSoftware
> >> -----
> >> > On Jan 27, 2018, at 5:12 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ralph DiMola wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> LC apps in iOS do respect the lock. This an Android only problem.
> >> >
> >> > I'm curious, if the app only supports landscape and the phone is
> locked
> >> to portrait, what does iOS display? On Android you get a tiny
> >> representation that reaches across the width of the phone with large
> blank
> >> areas above and below.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> >
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jan 28 16:12:39 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:12:39 +0000
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZwP1xwUatFZq4par2AyB0wL3WXCyMf3-TpaPH-tq3AOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
	<79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
	<ef7d8e5a-d5ec-69a6-ed68-4d348c92bc0e@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3639CB78-8375-49B9-8D65-296D663D30C0@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRaXOtYG=+K3tni3WETJB35k9MoxxJ43m5u+G8niDdZvGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1613e6a5338.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CA+yhkRZwP1xwUatFZq4par2AyB0wL3WXCyMf3-TpaPH-tq3AOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRbWY1bR-LPLKd5OsXa+9sHyugxe5eBR_+jC8UsBr2mZjQ@mail.gmail.com>

JLG... are you getting those pillow boxes with mobileSetAllowedOrientations
set to only landscape?
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 3:08 PM Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:

> Some of this is already available at least on iPhone. If you set the only
> allowed orientation (mobileSetAllowedOrientations) to landscape then the
> app will immediately switch regardless of the device lock setting.
>
> I did not see a way to query whether the use has their orientation locked,
> but that really shouldn?t matter. If the app requires a different
> orientation the it should switch to it just like many video apps do when
> showing video.
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 2:17 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> My thoughts exactly. So the Android bug is that it doesn't do that.
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On January 28, 2018 12:51:30 PM Brian Milby via use-livecode
>> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> > This should be pretty easy... if the app is built to support multiple
>> > orientations the it respects the lock. If it is built to only support
>> one
>> > orientation, it should override the lock. From the thread it seems iOS
>> > already works this way. I don?t think the app should have to do any
>> > checking for this, it should just work.
>> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 8:12 AM Randy Hengst via use-livecode <
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> All of my apps are iOS only. And virtually all are landscape only. When
>> >> the iPhone is set to portrait lock, my apps still open as landscape
>> >> orientation? that?s how they were designed. I wouldn?t want the user to
>> >> have to take the extra steps to unlock the orientation.
>> >>
>> >> II do have a couple apps that are in portrait orientation only. When
>> the
>> >> user has the device in landscape, the app still opens as portrait.
>> >>
>> >> be well,
>> >> randy
>> >> classroomFocusedSoftware
>> >> -----
>> >> > On Jan 27, 2018, at 5:12 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> LC apps in iOS do respect the lock. This an Android only problem.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm curious, if the app only supports landscape and the phone is
>> locked
>> >> to portrait, what does iOS display? On Android you get a tiny
>> >> representation that reaches across the width of the phone with large
>> blank
>> >> areas above and below.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> >> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 28 16:23:54 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:23:54 -0600
Subject: Artifacts on screen from closed stacks on Android
In-Reply-To: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>
References: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <d374fd8f-6798-77e0-bb61-97c35c033629@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/28/18 2:04 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> Entire image map of Stack B is not fully rendered.. even get some bizarre tiles or squares with odd colors or image data from Stack A, and only one area of Stack B is rendered like some weird inlay or overlay on top of the pixel map of Stack A.
> 
> Again, all stacks have their stack and window set to destroy and are explicitly closed after Stack B is opened. You must have a stack open and visible on Mobile or the app will crash, so that's why we leave Stack A open and only close it*after*  Stack B is opened.
> 
> I have no recipe for this, and so HQ is at a loss.

This issue has been around a very long time, and the simplest way to 
reproduce it is to open the stack on any device that has a different 
screen ratio than the one set during development. For example, in your 
app which was set to accomodate iPhone 6 Plus, I see the problem when I 
open the app on a Nexus 7 tablet.

To save processing time and power, LC only redraws the area inside the 
card rectangle. It does not redraw any part of objects that lie outside 
that area. We really do need a "redraw card" command, but for now you 
can force a redraw by either hiding and then showing the offending 
object, or by resetting it. Since your object is an image, you can reset 
it with: set the imagdata of img x to the imagedata of img x. Or, if 
it's a referenced image, just set its filepath again.

I have a header group in another app that extends far beyond the width 
of the original card in order to accomodate any screen ratio. For this, 
I hide the header group on closecard and re-show it on preOpenCard for 
those cards that use the header.

We shouldn't need to do this, but I understand why LC doesn't deal with 
areas that lie outside the card boundaries. Maybe we need a property 
that instructs LC whether or not to redraw everything regardless of 
object positioning.

I suppose another way to avoid the problem would be to just make every 
stack square and let fullscreenMode noBorder clip the edges.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 28 16:28:19 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:28:19 -0600
Subject: Artifacts on screen from closed stacks on Android
In-Reply-To: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>
References: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <1045c11e-a4a7-4162-05e0-c1ade582ff84@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/28/18 2:04 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> 2) worst case scenario
> 
> Entire image map of Stack B is not fully rendered.. even get some bizarre tiles or squares with odd colors or image data from Stack A, and only one area of Stack B is rendered like some weird inlay or overlay on top of the pixel map of Stack A.

BTW, I see this when I've changed cards multiple times and the remnants 
of the previous card edges are drawn over other remnants from even 
earlier cards. With enough card or stack changes, the overlapping effect 
begins to look like modern art.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Jan 28 17:23:45 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 17:23:45 -0500
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRYkhnEuYNik-ca5+Fbezpn2Ws6sfSy6Os-4wBbtbN8Y=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbjbzhkRf0n-u41QDf1hn5nXr9Mo4PbqJ6NB8w1ix5VZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRY5fZ0MM_h8_9zz=A7ZpzsCCY40wTZhDJ0Rj70UWbv6uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYkhnEuYNik-ca5+Fbezpn2Ws6sfSy6Os-4wBbtbN8Y=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPK_18PE5X9+eshs_NVcskXFmVeGqMkw=m5gcU4Qpn=AQ@mail.gmail.com>

@Brian,
Which attempt are you talking about?  We have two:  The one I posted a
couple of days ago is the proposed new one from King Keith at the ST
newsgroup.  The other is the one I wrote back in March and is in the
livecode-sublimetext repo.

The one for Atom is also one that I wrote after I finished the one for ST.

Both the new and old ST ones have issues.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 6:49 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I did take a look at Atom and is also has some duplicates in the
> increase/decrease sections.  It seems to work to out dent the line.  For
> example, if you type ?switch? the next line will start indented one level.
> When you type ?case? it moves that line out and the next one is indented.
> This actually works fine in normal use.  In the middle of the case block
> you are already indented.  Starting a new case will push that line out.
> The down side is that you have to manually indent the first case after it
> gets pushed out.
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jan 28 17:39:48 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:39:48 +0000
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPK_18PE5X9+eshs_NVcskXFmVeGqMkw=m5gcU4Qpn=AQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMoU2cNQSGr3_pZ40zyK6SMYDDWZv+vBfvFUZdsRpCmLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1516749164589-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMo6R4wYwsYqPv09sefDDYDqLvT8za1Ofs07piXB2+9yA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbjbzhkRf0n-u41QDf1hn5nXr9Mo4PbqJ6NB8w1ix5VZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRY5fZ0MM_h8_9zz=A7ZpzsCCY40wTZhDJ0Rj70UWbv6uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYkhnEuYNik-ca5+Fbezpn2Ws6sfSy6Os-4wBbtbN8Y=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPK_18PE5X9+eshs_NVcskXFmVeGqMkw=m5gcU4Qpn=AQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRYhpkqxjop4HgNHsYFJni7K1Hbs7SmjQeK_LKSukEifVQ@mail.gmail.com>

I?ve only looked at the ST in this thread and the Atom version that is
available inside the app.

I?ve tried a little but have not seen clear documentation on how the
various indent rules are handled. From how it works, if a RegEx is in both
indent and unindent then the current line is pushed left and next line is
indented.

What issues are you trying to fix? It is somewhat complicated since it only
looks at one line at a time.
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 4:25 PM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> @Brian,
> Which attempt are you talking about?  We have two:  The one I posted a
> couple of days ago is the proposed new one from King Keith at the ST
> newsgroup.  The other is the one I wrote back in March and is in the
> livecode-sublimetext repo.
>
> The one for Atom is also one that I wrote after I finished the one for ST.
>
> Both the new and old ST ones have issues.
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 6:49 PM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > I did take a look at Atom and is also has some duplicates in the
> > increase/decrease sections.  It seems to work to out dent the line.  For
> > example, if you type ?switch? the next line will start indented one
> level.
> > When you type ?case? it moves that line out and the next one is indented.
> > This actually works fine in normal use.  In the middle of the case block
> > you are already indented.  Starting a new case will push that line out.
> > The down side is that you have to manually indent the first case after it
> > gets pushed out.
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From brian at milby7.com  Sun Jan 28 18:08:07 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 23:08:07 +0000
Subject: Feature proposal: mobileActualAllowedOrientations?
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZwP1xwUatFZq4par2AyB0wL3WXCyMf3-TpaPH-tq3AOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003501d397b3$de48a7c0$9ad9f740$@net>
	<79c7231d-d9d7-05f0-4fea-72a864e64c77@fourthworld.com>
	<ef7d8e5a-d5ec-69a6-ed68-4d348c92bc0e@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3639CB78-8375-49B9-8D65-296D663D30C0@mac.com>
	<CA+yhkRaXOtYG=+K3tni3WETJB35k9MoxxJ43m5u+G8niDdZvGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1613e6a5338.285b.5e131b4e58299f54a9f0b9c05d4f07f9@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CA+yhkRZwP1xwUatFZq4par2AyB0wL3WXCyMf3-TpaPH-tq3AOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRbiQt=1M_i-uEB87PPHa4Sfb-y9oaN6o7Yuw_DCw+fdEw@mail.gmail.com>

I was able to run a test in the simulator for an iPad and got the same
results except that I could not lock the orientation (same on iPhone).  If
landscape is the only allowed orientation then it switches immediately even
when the physical orientation does not match.

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 3:08 PM Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com> wrote:

> Some of this is already available at least on iPhone. If you set the only
> allowed orientation (mobileSetAllowedOrientations) to landscape then the
> app will immediately switch regardless of the device lock setting.
>
> I did not see a way to query whether the use has their orientation locked,
> but that really shouldn?t matter. If the app requires a different
> orientation the it should switch to it just like many video apps do when
> showing video.


From monte at appisle.net  Sun Jan 28 18:13:06 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 10:13:06 +1100
Subject: Reloading script-only stacks
In-Reply-To: <AAA1D3E2-C9B7-43EF-BD63-661EBFD75476@gmail.com>
References: <AAA1D3E2-C9B7-43EF-BD63-661EBFD75476@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93D66FD7-D339-4706-9B18-160CDBD02768@appisle.net>

It?s always going to be safest to close LiveCode, checkout a different branch and then reopen LiveCode but just like people setup stuff so they can use external code editors you could add a git hook that notified the IDE that the worktree had changed and to reload things.

> On 27 Jan 2018, at 7:29 am, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> With version control, switching branches switches out SoS files. Is it best/necessary to then run through the stackfiles and set the destroystack of each to true and close/reopen them? Or is there a better way?



From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun Jan 28 18:47:14 2018
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 16:47:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRYhpkqxjop4HgNHsYFJni7K1Hbs7SmjQeK_LKSukEifVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbjbzhkRf0n-u41QDf1hn5nXr9Mo4PbqJ6NB8w1ix5VZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRY5fZ0MM_h8_9zz=A7ZpzsCCY40wTZhDJ0Rj70UWbv6uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYkhnEuYNik-ca5+Fbezpn2Ws6sfSy6Os-4wBbtbN8Y=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPK_18PE5X9+eshs_NVcskXFmVeGqMkw=m5gcU4Qpn=AQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYhpkqxjop4HgNHsYFJni7K1Hbs7SmjQeK_LKSukEifVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1517183234150-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

There are nice tests for indentation on Git for Livecode

https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/tree/develop/tests/scripteditor/_indentation_tests

especially the if variants are mind boggling

Kind regards

Bernd



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From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Jan 28 21:25:05 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 02:25:05 +0000
Subject: Artifacts on screen from closed stacks on Android
In-Reply-To: <d374fd8f-6798-77e0-bb61-97c35c033629@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>
	<d374fd8f-6798-77e0-bb61-97c35c033629@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C49BE223-EEB0-4128-900E-D13CEB90BBE7@hindu.org>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

    We really do need a "redraw card" command, but for now you 
    can force a redraw by either hiding and then showing the offending 
    object, or by resetting it. 


BR: But we are talking about entire stacks? and the offending object wants to disappear completely across the entire screen, not be redrawn

This works on desktop, but there's a serious performance it..

   lock screen
   hide stack oStackName
   go to cardOrStackObject in window oStackName
   close stack oStackName
   show the topstack
   unlock screen

vs this which is relatively fast ( but leaves artifacts on android)

   go  cardOrStackObject  # e.g   go "gems" (or this string)  go card 3 of "gems"   
   wait 100 milliseconds with messages  
   close stack oStackName   
   wait 100 milliseconds with messages  

This is also very fast on desktop

   go to cardOrStackObject in window oStackName
           # would this possibly eliminate artifacts?
           # downside is user might see a "scary Picasso" briefly 
   hide stack oStackName  # hopeful the amazing abstract will go away?
   close stack oStackName

If it does not crash my pixel (because there are no waits) I'll do a beta test for Aravind to test on his Galaxy..

BR





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jan 28 22:06:08 2018
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:06:08 -0600
Subject: Artifacts on screen from closed stacks on Android
In-Reply-To: <C49BE223-EEB0-4128-900E-D13CEB90BBE7@hindu.org>
References: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>
	<d374fd8f-6798-77e0-bb61-97c35c033629@hyperactivesw.com>
	<C49BE223-EEB0-4128-900E-D13CEB90BBE7@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <d92f98b6-8e8c-0eb9-1dce-bbb54063f582@hyperactivesw.com>

On 1/28/18 8:25 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
> BR: But we are talking about entire stacks? and the offending object wants to disappear completely across the entire screen, not be redrawn

I think the problem in SivaSiva is the background image in most cases, 
the one that extends beyond the card width. So I'd try hiding that image 
on closestack and showing it on preopenstack.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 28 23:22:44 2018
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 04:22:44 +0000
Subject: Treeview widget - setting scroll?
Message-ID: <HK2PR03MB17139112BB90E0DFA3297115A5E50@HK2PR03MB1713.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Is it possible to get and/or set the scroll of a treeview widget?

It doesn't look like it, but perhaps someone has a work-around? Or is there some hidden property perhaps?

Thanks for any pointers!

cheers

Alan


From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jan 29 06:42:30 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 11:42:30 +0000
Subject: [ANN] This Week in LiveCode 114
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq-V6rTf80ZE_6Ba-3qSUjkVpmLD7dn65cmfnGmZyJTpiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source
community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter!

        Read issue #114 here: https://goo.gl/aZAYfF

This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been
going on in and around the open source project. New issues will be
released weekly on Mondays. We have a dedicated mailing list that will
deliver each issue directly to you e-mail, so you don't miss any!

If you have anything you'd like mentioned (a project, a discussion
somewhere, an upcoming event) then please get in touch.


-- 
Panagiotis Merakos <panos.merakos at livecode.com>
LiveCode Software Developer

Everyone Can Create Apps <https://livecode.com>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 29 09:20:59 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:20:59 -0500
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <1517183234150-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbjbzhkRf0n-u41QDf1hn5nXr9Mo4PbqJ6NB8w1ix5VZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRY5fZ0MM_h8_9zz=A7ZpzsCCY40wTZhDJ0Rj70UWbv6uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYkhnEuYNik-ca5+Fbezpn2Ws6sfSy6Os-4wBbtbN8Y=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPK_18PE5X9+eshs_NVcskXFmVeGqMkw=m5gcU4Qpn=AQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYhpkqxjop4HgNHsYFJni7K1Hbs7SmjQeK_LKSukEifVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1517183234150-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPkir3HNojLG3Znb7-M+boON0+U9Ey9veapeeAfmuqneA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure why they have some of those the way they have them.  The
indent regex in ST is not well documented (that I can find).  For example,
I don't think "<" is a reserved character in regex, but ST requires you to
treat it as you would in html, i.e. "&lt;"

The first thing that I'm trying to do with this new set of indent rules is
add a "block", so that we can do code folding using arbitrary structures.
I have been using a commented HTML-type tag to designate a block.
For example
#<populate db>
...
#</populate db>

The contents of the commented tag are not important to the indenting, nor
is ensuring that the comment at the top and the bottom are the same.  What
I am trying to get is an indent following #<...> and an unindent at
#</...>.  Also, I don't really care if the comment begins with #.  It could
also begin with -- or // since other folks might like those comment
delimiters better than #.



FWIW, the (buggy) one that I came up with looks like this:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>name</key>
<string>LiveCode Script Indentation</string>
<key>scope</key>
<string>source.livecode</string>
<key>settings</key>
<!-- documenation found at
http://docs.sublimetext.info/en/latest/reference/metadata.html?highlight=indentation
-->
<dict>
<key>increaseIndentPattern</key>
<string>^\s*?((on\s+?.+)|((private\s)?((command|function)\s+?.+))|((else?\s*)?(if\s+?.+then\s*?)((#|--).*?)?$)|(else\s*?((#|--).*?)?$)|(repeat\s+?.+)|(switch\s?.+)|(case\s+?.+)|(default.*)|(try\s*?.*)|(catch\s+?.+)|(finally\s?.*)|((#|--|)\s*?&lt;\s*?[^/].*?&gt;))</string>
<key>decreaseIndentPattern</key>
<string>^\s*((end\s+?.+)|(case\s+?.+)|(default\s*?.*)|(else.*)|(catch\s+?.+)|(finally\s*?.*)|((#|--|)\s*?&lt;/.*?&gt;))</string>
<key>disableIndentNextLinePattern</key>
<!-- rules for when then next line would not be indented further -->
<string>^\s*?(if\s+?.+?then\s+?.+)</string>
<key>bracketIndentNextLinePattern</key>
<!-- if current line matches then next line (and only next line) indented 1
level further -->
<string></string>
<key>unIndentedLinePattern</key>
<!-- ignore any lines matching this pattern when computing the next line's
indent level -->
<string></string>
</dict>
</dict>
</plist>


And the rationale file that I wrote so I could figure out wth I was
thinking is:
RegEx can be complicated, so here is the rationale for the regex for the
various sections in the tab settings:

increaseIndentPattern:
^\s*? Begin the line with 0..n whitespace characters due to indents or
other things
(
(on\s+?.+) "on", followed by at least one space, then a handler name - e.g.
"on myHandler"

|((private\s)?((command|function)\s+?.+)) Either "private" and a space or
neither, then either "command" or "function",
then a space, a function name and perhaps parameters, e.g. "private
function myFunction a, b" or "function myFunction a, b"
|((else?\s*?)?(if\s+?.+then\s*?)((#|--).*?)?$) Either "else" and a space or
neither, then "if", a space, some condition,
"then", and possibly some spaces (but nothing else, i.e. no other
commands/functions) following.  The line can end with a comment, either
beginning with "#" or "--".  e.g. "if x then", or "if x then #this is why",
or "else if x then --perhaps nothing".  The goal is to distinguish between
if-then{-else} blocks and single-line if-then{-else} statements - the
latter do not get indented.

|(else\s*?((#|--).*?)?$) "else", then spaces (or not), but no other
statements.  The line can end with a
comment, either beginning with "#" or "--".  e.g. "else", or "else #we have
work to do" or "else -- i forget".

|(repeat\s+?.+) "repeat", then at least one space, and the rest of the
statement, e.g. "repeat
100 times" or "repeat with i = 1 to 10" or "repeat for each x in y"

|(switch\s+?.+) "switch", then at least 1 space, and the rest of the
expression, e.g. "switch x"
See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default.

|(case\s+?.+) "case", then at least one space, then the value or condition,
e.g. "case 1".
See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default

|(default\s*?.+) "default" and whatever after it.  I didn't bother to use
the indent rules to
enforce default syntax, because I can't think of any time other than in a
"switch" where "default" would be used, and if the user screws up the
syntax, the linter should complain.  At any rate, the line could still end
with a comment, legitimately.  e.g. "default", "default -- something", or
"default #nothing else matters".
See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default

|(try\s*?.+) "try" and whatever follows.  Linter can enforce syntax, but I
want to make sure
we allow the user to put a comment at the end of the line, thus adding the
".+"
e.g. "try" or "try #something"

|(catch\s+?.+) "catch", then a space, and the error variable, e.g. "catch a"

|(finally\s*?.*) "finally", and if desired, some whitespace, and maybe a
comment, e.g.
"finally", or "finally #we're done".  Let the linter catch if something
else was put at the end of the line, where I am recognizing that there
might be a comment, instead.

|((#|--|)\s*?&lt;\s*?[^/].*&gt;)) Mikey's favorite custom construct, the
block.  The block is not something that
LC handles any differently than any other bit of code, but we can have ST
indent it, which means I can fold it.  Heh.  Heh.  Heh.  It's a comment
with a tag that I use to mark a section of code without having to write a
handler and deal with variable scope issues.
"#" or "--" then perhaps one or more spaces, then "<", then perhaps more
spaces, then anything that isn't a slash "/", then more text, then ">".
e.g. "#<v. 3.0>", or "# <loads the documents>".  The reason for excluding
the "/" is because that is an end tag - it will mark the end of the block,
and we will unindent at that point.
)

NOTE:  Switch and case are set to indent and unindent the way they are b/c
you cannot force a double-back indent.  Consider
switch x
case 1
beep
case 2
beep
default
beep
At this point we are two tab levels in.  There is no way to get "end case"
to move us back two levels, only one.  Therefore, in the
decreaseIndentPattern, we have "case" and "default", to get the indent to
be at the same level as "switch".
switch x
case 1
beep
case 2
beep
default
beep
end case



decreaseIndentPattern
^\s* Line may or may not begin with whitespace
(
(end\s+?.+) "end", then whitespace, then the handler name, e.g. "end
mouseUp"
|(case\s+?.+) "case", then at least one space, then the value or condition,
e.g. "case 1".
See above for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
|(default\s*?.*) "default" and whatever after it.  I didn't bother to use
the indent rules to
enforce default syntax, because I can't think of any time other than in a
"switch" where "default" would be used, and if the user screws up the
syntax, the linter should complain.  At any rate, the line could still end
with a comment, legitimately.  e.g. "default", "default -- something", or
"default #nothing else matter".
See above for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
|(else.*) "else" and then whatever.  Every "else" line needs to pull back
one indent,
whether it is a straight "else", or "else if x=y then"
|(catch\s+?.+) "catch", then a space, and the error variable, e.g. "catch a"
|(finally\s*?.*) "finally", and if desired, some whitespace, and maybe a
comment, e.g.
"finally", or "finally #we're done".  Let the linter catch if something
else was put at the end of the line, where I am recognizing that there
might be a comment, instead.
|((#|--|)\s*?&lt;/.*&gt;.*) End of a block (see above for discussion of a
block)
"#" or "--" then perhaps one or more spaces, then "<", then perhaps more
spaces, then a slash "/", then more text, then ">".
e.g. "#</v. 3.0>", or "# </loads the documents>".
)



disableIndentNextLinePattern
^\s*?(if\s+?.+?then\s+?.+) whitespace, perhaps, then "if", then whitespace,
then the condition, "then",
at least one space, and more text.  e.g. "if x=y then beep".
I'm trying to make sure we catch single-line if-then and if-then-else
statements, as those are NOT going to have indented code below them.  Note
that this regex will also match the if/then that has a comment on the end
(e.g. "if x=y then #make sure we notify the user"), BUT, in that case, the
indent will override the "do nothing" rule.


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 29 09:46:58 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:46:58 -0500
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPkir3HNojLG3Znb7-M+boON0+U9Ey9veapeeAfmuqneA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbjbzhkRf0n-u41QDf1hn5nXr9Mo4PbqJ6NB8w1ix5VZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRY5fZ0MM_h8_9zz=A7ZpzsCCY40wTZhDJ0Rj70UWbv6uQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADCoycMf9BJ4Q6wQUSTF7-_b4to0w-Fv8_J2b4k2GarVkAK_MA@mail.gmail.com>

It's also not clear from the documentation what triggers the current line
to unindent.  If you are typing "end repeat" for instance, the line will
unindent, but the documentation states that the _next_ line will unindent.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> I'm not sure why they have some of those the way they have them.  The
> indent regex in ST is not well documented (that I can find).  For example,
> I don't think "<" is a reserved character in regex, but ST requires you to
> treat it as you would in html, i.e. "&lt;"
>
> The first thing that I'm trying to do with this new set of indent rules is
> add a "block", so that we can do code folding using arbitrary structures.
> I have been using a commented HTML-type tag to designate a block.
> For example
> #<populate db>
> ...
> #</populate db>
>
> The contents of the commented tag are not important to the indenting, nor
> is ensuring that the comment at the top and the bottom are the same.  What
> I am trying to get is an indent following #<...> and an unindent at
> #</...>.  Also, I don't really care if the comment begins with #.  It could
> also begin with -- or // since other folks might like those comment
> delimiters better than #.
>
>
>
> FWIW, the (buggy) one that I came up with looks like this:
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <plist version="1.0">
> <dict>
> <key>name</key>
> <string>LiveCode Script Indentation</string>
> <key>scope</key>
> <string>source.livecode</string>
> <key>settings</key>
> <!-- documenation found at http://docs.sublimetext.info/
> en/latest/reference/metadata.html?highlight=indentation -->
> <dict>
> <key>increaseIndentPattern</key>
> <string>^\s*?((on\s+?.+)|((private\s)?((command|function)
> \s+?.+))|((else?\s*)?(if\s+?.+then\s*?)((#|--).*?)?$)|(else\
> s*?((#|--).*?)?$)|(repeat\s+?.+)|(switch\s?.+)|(case\s+?.+)|
> (default.*)|(try\s*?.*)|(catch\s+?.+)|(finally\s?.*)|((
> #|--|)\s*?&lt;\s*?[^/].*?&gt;))</string>
> <key>decreaseIndentPattern</key>
> <string>^\s*((end\s+?.+)|(case\s+?.+)|(default\s*?.*)|(
> else.*)|(catch\s+?.+)|(finally\s*?.*)|((#|--|)\s*?&lt;/.*?&gt;))</string>
> <key>disableIndentNextLinePattern</key>
> <!-- rules for when then next line would not be indented further -->
> <string>^\s*?(if\s+?.+?then\s+?.+)</string>
> <key>bracketIndentNextLinePattern</key>
> <!-- if current line matches then next line (and only next line) indented
> 1 level further -->
> <string></string>
> <key>unIndentedLinePattern</key>
> <!-- ignore any lines matching this pattern when computing the next line's
> indent level -->
> <string></string>
> </dict>
> </dict>
> </plist>
>
>
> And the rationale file that I wrote so I could figure out wth I was
> thinking is:
> RegEx can be complicated, so here is the rationale for the regex for the
> various sections in the tab settings:
>
> increaseIndentPattern:
> ^\s*? Begin the line with 0..n whitespace characters due to indents or
> other things
> (
> (on\s+?.+) "on", followed by at least one space, then a handler name -
> e.g. "on myHandler"
>
> |((private\s)?((command|function)\s+?.+)) Either "private" and a space or
> neither, then either "command" or "function",
> then a space, a function name and perhaps parameters, e.g. "private
> function myFunction a, b" or "function myFunction a, b"
> |((else?\s*?)?(if\s+?.+then\s*?)((#|--).*?)?$) Either "else" and a space
> or neither, then "if", a space, some condition,
> "then", and possibly some spaces (but nothing else, i.e. no other
> commands/functions) following.  The line can end with a comment, either
> beginning with "#" or "--".  e.g. "if x then", or "if x then #this is why",
> or "else if x then --perhaps nothing".  The goal is to distinguish between
> if-then{-else} blocks and single-line if-then{-else} statements - the
> latter do not get indented.
>
> |(else\s*?((#|--).*?)?$) "else", then spaces (or not), but no other
> statements.  The line can end with a
> comment, either beginning with "#" or "--".  e.g. "else", or "else #we
> have work to do" or "else -- i forget".
>
> |(repeat\s+?.+) "repeat", then at least one space, and the rest of the
> statement, e.g. "repeat
> 100 times" or "repeat with i = 1 to 10" or "repeat for each x in y"
>
> |(switch\s+?.+) "switch", then at least 1 space, and the rest of the
> expression, e.g. "switch x"
> See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default.
>
> |(case\s+?.+) "case", then at least one space, then the value or
> condition, e.g. "case 1".
> See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
>
> |(default\s*?.+) "default" and whatever after it.  I didn't bother to use
> the indent rules to
> enforce default syntax, because I can't think of any time other than in a
> "switch" where "default" would be used, and if the user screws up the
> syntax, the linter should complain.  At any rate, the line could still end
> with a comment, legitimately.  e.g. "default", "default -- something", or
> "default #nothing else matters".
> See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
>
> |(try\s*?.+) "try" and whatever follows.  Linter can enforce syntax, but
> I want to make sure
> we allow the user to put a comment at the end of the line, thus adding the
> ".+"
> e.g. "try" or "try #something"
>
> |(catch\s+?.+) "catch", then a space, and the error variable, e.g. "catch
> a"
>
> |(finally\s*?.*) "finally", and if desired, some whitespace, and maybe a
> comment, e.g.
> "finally", or "finally #we're done".  Let the linter catch if something
> else was put at the end of the line, where I am recognizing that there
> might be a comment, instead.
>
> |((#|--|)\s*?&lt;\s*?[^/].*&gt;)) Mikey's favorite custom construct, the
> block.  The block is not something that
> LC handles any differently than any other bit of code, but we can have ST
> indent it, which means I can fold it.  Heh.  Heh.  Heh.  It's a comment
> with a tag that I use to mark a section of code without having to write a
> handler and deal with variable scope issues.
> "#" or "--" then perhaps one or more spaces, then "<", then perhaps more
> spaces, then anything that isn't a slash "/", then more text, then ">".
> e.g. "#<v. 3.0>", or "# <loads the documents>".  The reason for excluding
> the "/" is because that is an end tag - it will mark the end of the block,
> and we will unindent at that point.
> )
>
> NOTE:  Switch and case are set to indent and unindent the way they are b/c
> you cannot force a double-back indent.  Consider
> switch x
> case 1
> beep
> case 2
> beep
> default
> beep
> At this point we are two tab levels in.  There is no way to get "end case"
> to move us back two levels, only one.  Therefore, in the
> decreaseIndentPattern, we have "case" and "default", to get the indent to
> be at the same level as "switch".
> switch x
> case 1
> beep
> case 2
> beep
> default
> beep
> end case
>
>
>
> decreaseIndentPattern
> ^\s* Line may or may not begin with whitespace
> (
> (end\s+?.+) "end", then whitespace, then the handler name, e.g. "end
> mouseUp"
> |(case\s+?.+) "case", then at least one space, then the value or
> condition, e.g. "case 1".
> See above for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
> |(default\s*?.*) "default" and whatever after it.  I didn't bother to use
> the indent rules to
> enforce default syntax, because I can't think of any time other than in a
> "switch" where "default" would be used, and if the user screws up the
> syntax, the linter should complain.  At any rate, the line could still end
> with a comment, legitimately.  e.g. "default", "default -- something", or
> "default #nothing else matter".
> See above for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
> |(else.*) "else" and then whatever.  Every "else" line needs to pull back
> one indent,
> whether it is a straight "else", or "else if x=y then"
> |(catch\s+?.+) "catch", then a space, and the error variable, e.g. "catch
> a"
> |(finally\s*?.*) "finally", and if desired, some whitespace, and maybe a
> comment, e.g.
> "finally", or "finally #we're done".  Let the linter catch if something
> else was put at the end of the line, where I am recognizing that there
> might be a comment, instead.
> |((#|--|)\s*?&lt;/.*&gt;.*) End of a block (see above for discussion of a
> block)
> "#" or "--" then perhaps one or more spaces, then "<", then perhaps more
> spaces, then a slash "/", then more text, then ">".
> e.g. "#</v. 3.0>", or "# </loads the documents>".
> )
>
>
>
> disableIndentNextLinePattern
> ^\s*?(if\s+?.+?then\s+?.+) whitespace, perhaps, then "if", then
> whitespace, then the condition, "then",
> at least one space, and more text.  e.g. "if x=y then beep".
> I'm trying to make sure we catch single-line if-then and if-then-else
> statements, as those are NOT going to have indented code below them.  Note
> that this regex will also match the if/then that has a comment on the end
> (e.g. "if x=y then #make sure we notify the user"), BUT, in that case, the
> indent will override the "do nothing" rule.
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From irog at mac.com  Mon Jan 29 10:14:50 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:14:50 -0700
Subject: Saving Changes in iOS
Message-ID: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>

I know I?m out to lunch again, but I notice that one cannot use the ol? Launcher+MainStack method in iOS to save user changes. What?s up with that? How does one save user changes in iOS?

Thanks,

Roger

From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Jan 29 10:18:10 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 16:18:10 +0100
Subject: Saving Changes in iOS
In-Reply-To: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>
References: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2C7FF8D0-067D-45AA-8DC0-A5A6E2BC940F@major-k.de>

Hi Roger,

> Am 29.01.2018 um 16:14 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I know I?m out to lunch again, but I notice that one cannot use the ol? Launcher+MainStack method in iOS to save user changes. What?s up with that? How does one save user changes in iOS?

copy your MAIN stack to the users documents folder on first launch 
and open and save it from there!

> Thanks,
> 
> Roger

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From panos.merakos at livecode.com  Mon Jan 29 10:26:18 2018
From: panos.merakos at livecode.com (panagiotis merakos)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 15:26:18 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Release 8.1.9 RC-2
Message-ID: <CA+JfEq_BQhnUmvgFw8TGOKTLbNJBhBaeQ_ws=BtP1n+WVQE0iw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.9 RC-2.

Getting the Release
===================
You can get the release at https://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/ or via
the automatic updater.


Release Contents
================

LiveCode 8.1.9 RC-2 contains important bugfixes and improvements, including:

- Bug 20884 - AppStore submission error when min target is iOS 11 or more
- Bug 20858 - Add iOS App Store Icon to the Standalone Application Settings
- Bug 20852 - Livecode not updating iOS app plist entries to reflect
correct Xcode/sdk version


Since the last stable version (8.1.8), more than 25 bugs have been fixed.


The full release notes are available from:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/8_1_9/LiveCodeNotes-8_1_9_rc_2.pdf


Feedback
========
Please report any bugs encountered on our BugZilla at
http://quality.livecode.com/


Have fun!
The LiveCode Team
--


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Jan 29 10:30:00 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 10:30:00 -0500
Subject: Saving Changes in iOS
In-Reply-To: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>
References: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003801d39916$0973a360$1c5aea20$@net>

Roger,

On Android and iOS "the engine folder" is read only. Any files/stacks you want to save/modify must be moved to "the documents folder" or "the temporary folder" before they can be modified/saved.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Roger Guay via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:15 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Cc: Roger Guay
Subject: Saving Changes in iOS

I know I?m out to lunch again, but I notice that one cannot use the ol? Launcher+MainStack method in iOS to save user changes. What?s up with that? How does one save user changes in iOS?

Thanks,

Roger
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From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jan 29 10:53:35 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 15:53:35 +0000
Subject: regex deconstructor
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It kind of makes sense for the unindent to apply to the current line.
Usually I think of the end of a block being at the same level as the start.

I?ll take a look at the RegEx you provided. I read through it over the
weekend and understand most of it. Stuff that is missing is the double
indent for line continuation, but I?m not sure that is possible with this.
On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 8:48 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It's also not clear from the documentation what triggers the current line
> to unindent.  If you are typing "end repeat" for instance, the line will
> unindent, but the documentation states that the _next_ line will unindent.
>
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure why they have some of those the way they have them.  The
> > indent regex in ST is not well documented (that I can find).  For
> example,
> > I don't think "<" is a reserved character in regex, but ST requires you
> to
> > treat it as you would in html, i.e. "&lt;"
> >
> > The first thing that I'm trying to do with this new set of indent rules
> is
> > add a "block", so that we can do code folding using arbitrary structures.
> > I have been using a commented HTML-type tag to designate a block.
> > For example
> > #<populate db>
> > ...
> > #</populate db>
> >
> > The contents of the commented tag are not important to the indenting, nor
> > is ensuring that the comment at the top and the bottom are the same.
> What
> > I am trying to get is an indent following #<...> and an unindent at
> > #</...>.  Also, I don't really care if the comment begins with #.  It
> could
> > also begin with -- or // since other folks might like those comment
> > delimiters better than #.
> >
> >
> >
> > FWIW, the (buggy) one that I came up with looks like this:
> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> > <plist version="1.0">
> > <dict>
> > <key>name</key>
> > <string>LiveCode Script Indentation</string>
> > <key>scope</key>
> > <string>source.livecode</string>
> > <key>settings</key>
> > <!-- documenation found at http://docs.sublimetext.info/
> > en/latest/reference/metadata.html?highlight=indentation -->
> > <dict>
> > <key>increaseIndentPattern</key>
> > <string>^\s*?((on\s+?.+)|((private\s)?((command|function)
> > \s+?.+))|((else?\s*)?(if\s+?.+then\s*?)((#|--).*?)?$)|(else\
> > s*?((#|--).*?)?$)|(repeat\s+?.+)|(switch\s?.+)|(case\s+?.+)|
> > (default.*)|(try\s*?.*)|(catch\s+?.+)|(finally\s?.*)|((
> > #|--|)\s*?&lt;\s*?[^/].*?&gt;))</string>
> > <key>decreaseIndentPattern</key>
> > <string>^\s*((end\s+?.+)|(case\s+?.+)|(default\s*?.*)|(
> > else.*)|(catch\s+?.+)|(finally\s*?.*)|((#|--|)\s*?&lt;/.*?&gt;))</string>
> > <key>disableIndentNextLinePattern</key>
> > <!-- rules for when then next line would not be indented further -->
> > <string>^\s*?(if\s+?.+?then\s+?.+)</string>
> > <key>bracketIndentNextLinePattern</key>
> > <!-- if current line matches then next line (and only next line) indented
> > 1 level further -->
> > <string></string>
> > <key>unIndentedLinePattern</key>
> > <!-- ignore any lines matching this pattern when computing the next
> line's
> > indent level -->
> > <string></string>
> > </dict>
> > </dict>
> > </plist>
> >
> >
> > And the rationale file that I wrote so I could figure out wth I was
> > thinking is:
> > RegEx can be complicated, so here is the rationale for the regex for the
> > various sections in the tab settings:
> >
> > increaseIndentPattern:
> > ^\s*? Begin the line with 0..n whitespace characters due to indents or
> > other things
> > (
> > (on\s+?.+) "on", followed by at least one space, then a handler name -
> > e.g. "on myHandler"
> >
> > |((private\s)?((command|function)\s+?.+)) Either "private" and a space or
> > neither, then either "command" or "function",
> > then a space, a function name and perhaps parameters, e.g. "private
> > function myFunction a, b" or "function myFunction a, b"
> > |((else?\s*?)?(if\s+?.+then\s*?)((#|--).*?)?$) Either "else" and a space
> > or neither, then "if", a space, some condition,
> > "then", and possibly some spaces (but nothing else, i.e. no other
> > commands/functions) following.  The line can end with a comment, either
> > beginning with "#" or "--".  e.g. "if x then", or "if x then #this is
> why",
> > or "else if x then --perhaps nothing".  The goal is to distinguish
> between
> > if-then{-else} blocks and single-line if-then{-else} statements - the
> > latter do not get indented.
> >
> > |(else\s*?((#|--).*?)?$) "else", then spaces (or not), but no other
> > statements.  The line can end with a
> > comment, either beginning with "#" or "--".  e.g. "else", or "else #we
> > have work to do" or "else -- i forget".
> >
> > |(repeat\s+?.+) "repeat", then at least one space, and the rest of the
> > statement, e.g. "repeat
> > 100 times" or "repeat with i = 1 to 10" or "repeat for each x in y"
> >
> > |(switch\s+?.+) "switch", then at least 1 space, and the rest of the
> > expression, e.g. "switch x"
> > See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default.
> >
> > |(case\s+?.+) "case", then at least one space, then the value or
> > condition, e.g. "case 1".
> > See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
> >
> > |(default\s*?.+) "default" and whatever after it.  I didn't bother to use
> > the indent rules to
> > enforce default syntax, because I can't think of any time other than in a
> > "switch" where "default" would be used, and if the user screws up the
> > syntax, the linter should complain.  At any rate, the line could still
> end
> > with a comment, legitimately.  e.g. "default", "default -- something", or
> > "default #nothing else matters".
> > See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
> >
> > |(try\s*?.+) "try" and whatever follows.  Linter can enforce syntax, but
> > I want to make sure
> > we allow the user to put a comment at the end of the line, thus adding
> the
> > ".+"
> > e.g. "try" or "try #something"
> >
> > |(catch\s+?.+) "catch", then a space, and the error variable, e.g. "catch
> > a"
> >
> > |(finally\s*?.*) "finally", and if desired, some whitespace, and maybe a
> > comment, e.g.
> > "finally", or "finally #we're done".  Let the linter catch if something
> > else was put at the end of the line, where I am recognizing that there
> > might be a comment, instead.
> >
> > |((#|--|)\s*?&lt;\s*?[^/].*&gt;)) Mikey's favorite custom construct, the
> > block.  The block is not something that
> > LC handles any differently than any other bit of code, but we can have ST
> > indent it, which means I can fold it.  Heh.  Heh.  Heh.  It's a comment
> > with a tag that I use to mark a section of code without having to write a
> > handler and deal with variable scope issues.
> > "#" or "--" then perhaps one or more spaces, then "<", then perhaps more
> > spaces, then anything that isn't a slash "/", then more text, then ">".
> > e.g. "#<v. 3.0>", or "# <loads the documents>".  The reason for excluding
> > the "/" is because that is an end tag - it will mark the end of the
> block,
> > and we will unindent at that point.
> > )
> >
> > NOTE:  Switch and case are set to indent and unindent the way they are
> b/c
> > you cannot force a double-back indent.  Consider
> > switch x
> > case 1
> > beep
> > case 2
> > beep
> > default
> > beep
> > At this point we are two tab levels in.  There is no way to get "end
> case"
> > to move us back two levels, only one.  Therefore, in the
> > decreaseIndentPattern, we have "case" and "default", to get the indent to
> > be at the same level as "switch".
> > switch x
> > case 1
> > beep
> > case 2
> > beep
> > default
> > beep
> > end case
> >
> >
> >
> > decreaseIndentPattern
> > ^\s* Line may or may not begin with whitespace
> > (
> > (end\s+?.+) "end", then whitespace, then the handler name, e.g. "end
> > mouseUp"
> > |(case\s+?.+) "case", then at least one space, then the value or
> > condition, e.g. "case 1".
> > See above for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
> > |(default\s*?.*) "default" and whatever after it.  I didn't bother to use
> > the indent rules to
> > enforce default syntax, because I can't think of any time other than in a
> > "switch" where "default" would be used, and if the user screws up the
> > syntax, the linter should complain.  At any rate, the line could still
> end
> > with a comment, legitimately.  e.g. "default", "default -- something", or
> > "default #nothing else matter".
> > See above for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
> > |(else.*) "else" and then whatever.  Every "else" line needs to pull back
> > one indent,
> > whether it is a straight "else", or "else if x=y then"
> > |(catch\s+?.+) "catch", then a space, and the error variable, e.g. "catch
> > a"
> > |(finally\s*?.*) "finally", and if desired, some whitespace, and maybe a
> > comment, e.g.
> > "finally", or "finally #we're done".  Let the linter catch if something
> > else was put at the end of the line, where I am recognizing that there
> > might be a comment, instead.
> > |((#|--|)\s*?&lt;/.*&gt;.*) End of a block (see above for discussion of a
> > block)
> > "#" or "--" then perhaps one or more spaces, then "<", then perhaps more
> > spaces, then a slash "/", then more text, then ">".
> > e.g. "#</v. 3.0>", or "# </loads the documents>".
> > )
> >
> >
> >
> > disableIndentNextLinePattern
> > ^\s*?(if\s+?.+?then\s+?.+) whitespace, perhaps, then "if", then
> > whitespace, then the condition, "then",
> > at least one space, and more text.  e.g. "if x=y then beep".
> > I'm trying to make sure we catch single-line if-then and if-then-else
> > statements, as those are NOT going to have indented code below them.
> Note
> > that this regex will also match the if/then that has a comment on the end
> > (e.g. "if x=y then #make sure we notify the user"), BUT, in that case,
> the
> > indent will override the "do nothing" rule.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jan 29 10:54:23 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 15:54:23 +0000
Subject: Artifacts on screen from closed stacks on Android
In-Reply-To: <d92f98b6-8e8c-0eb9-1dce-bbb54063f582@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>
	<d374fd8f-6798-77e0-bb61-97c35c033629@hyperactivesw.com>
	<C49BE223-EEB0-4128-900E-D13CEB90BBE7@hindu.org>
	<d92f98b6-8e8c-0eb9-1dce-bbb54063f582@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A0B16FC2-5BBC-455C-9D3C-7BC808A6623D@iotecdigital.com>

I hide background images and then set the background fill of the card to that image id. Not sure if that would help. 

Bob S


> On Jan 28, 2018, at 19:06 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> On 1/28/18 8:25 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
>> BR: But we are talking about entire stacks? and the offending object wants to disappear completely across the entire screen, not be redrawn
> 
> I think the problem in SivaSiva is the background image in most cases, the one that extends beyond the card width. So I'd try hiding that image on closestack and showing it on preopenstack.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com


From irog at mac.com  Mon Jan 29 11:17:12 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:17:12 -0700
Subject: Saving Changes in iOS
In-Reply-To: <003801d39916$0973a360$1c5aea20$@net>
References: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>
	<003801d39916$0973a360$1c5aea20$@net>
Message-ID: <0DC38027-DBEA-4CB8-B5D3-4D79177CE6EB@mac.com>

Sorry Klaus and Ralph, but I?m not getting it. How/where do I find the "the documents folder" or "the temporary folder??

(Preparing right hand for dope-slap)

Thanks,
Roger

> On Jan 29, 2018, at 8:30 AM, Ralph DiMola <rdimola at evergreeninfo.net> wrote:
> 
> Roger,
> 
> On Android and iOS "the engine folder" is read only. Any files/stacks you want to save/modify must be moved to "the documents folder" or "the temporary folder" before they can be modified/saved.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Roger Guay via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:15 AM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Cc: Roger Guay
> Subject: Saving Changes in iOS
> 
> I know I?m out to lunch again, but I notice that one cannot use the ol? Launcher+MainStack method in iOS to save user changes. What?s up with that? How does one save user changes in iOS?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roger
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Jan 29 11:21:41 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 17:21:41 +0100
Subject: Saving Changes in iOS
In-Reply-To: <0DC38027-DBEA-4CB8-B5D3-4D79177CE6EB@mac.com>
References: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>
	<003801d39916$0973a360$1c5aea20$@net>
	<0DC38027-DBEA-4CB8-B5D3-4D79177CE6EB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <953132FA-E95F-4467-AA61-E973B21337FE@major-k.de>

Hi Roger,

> Am 29.01.2018 um 17:17 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Sorry Klaus and Ralph, but I?m not getting it. How/where do I find the "the documents folder" or "the temporary folder??

You already named it:
the documents folder
the temporary folder

Is equivalent to:
specialfolderpath("documents")
specialfolderpath("temporary")

> (Preparing right hand for dope-slap)
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 8:30 AM, Ralph DiMola <rdimola at evergreeninfo.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Roger,
>> On Android and iOS "the engine folder" is read only. Any files/stacks you want to save/modify must be moved to "the documents folder" or "the temporary folder" before they can be modified/saved.

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 29 11:57:00 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 11:57:00 -0500
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRYSU88DAP8a17FVUZFZ5Vf5rDzYAfrcWiJ6g6QZzUiTfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycP17HEoLFXkbDJZmV=gHz8zZAsKTNomUN1q1RWoW3Gorw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRbjbzhkRf0n-u41QDf1hn5nXr9Mo4PbqJ6NB8w1ix5VZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRY5fZ0MM_h8_9zz=A7ZpzsCCY40wTZhDJ0Rj70UWbv6uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYkhnEuYNik-ca5+Fbezpn2Ws6sfSy6Os-4wBbtbN8Y=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPK_18PE5X9+eshs_NVcskXFmVeGqMkw=m5gcU4Qpn=AQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYhpkqxjop4HgNHsYFJni7K1Hbs7SmjQeK_LKSukEifVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1517183234150-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycPkir3HNojLG3Znb7-M+boON0+U9Ey9veapeeAfmuqneA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMf9BJ4Q6wQUSTF7-_b4to0w-Fv8_J2b4k2GarVkAK_MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYSU88DAP8a17FVUZFZ5Vf5rDzYAfrcWiJ6g6QZzUiTfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO7B0=mv0Oc7BC+yqrpjAf0+rS5fTZ8_uwOFyNT6aVXnw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think you can double-indent, and you can't double-unindent, either,
so the case/switch structure for instance is a bit of a hack that we had to
compromise on.
The problem with the indent/unindent applying to the current line is that
the docs say that they apply to the _next_ line.  It would make sense for
the unindent (but not indent) to apply to the current line, but that isn't
the way the docs are written.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It kind of makes sense for the unindent to apply to the current line.
> Usually I think of the end of a block being at the same level as the start.
>
> I?ll take a look at the RegEx you provided. I read through it over the
> weekend and understand most of it. Stuff that is missing is the double
> indent for line continuation, but I?m not sure that is possible with this.
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 8:48 AM Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > It's also not clear from the documentation what triggers the current line
> > to unindent.  If you are typing "end repeat" for instance, the line will
> > unindent, but the documentation states that the _next_ line will
> unindent.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not sure why they have some of those the way they have them.  The
> > > indent regex in ST is not well documented (that I can find).  For
> > example,
> > > I don't think "<" is a reserved character in regex, but ST requires you
> > to
> > > treat it as you would in html, i.e. "&lt;"
> > >
> > > The first thing that I'm trying to do with this new set of indent rules
> > is
> > > add a "block", so that we can do code folding using arbitrary
> structures.
> > > I have been using a commented HTML-type tag to designate a block.
> > > For example
> > > #<populate db>
> > > ...
> > > #</populate db>
> > >
> > > The contents of the commented tag are not important to the indenting,
> nor
> > > is ensuring that the comment at the top and the bottom are the same.
> > What
> > > I am trying to get is an indent following #<...> and an unindent at
> > > #</...>.  Also, I don't really care if the comment begins with #.  It
> > could
> > > also begin with -- or // since other folks might like those comment
> > > delimiters better than #.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > FWIW, the (buggy) one that I came up with looks like this:
> > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> > > <plist version="1.0">
> > > <dict>
> > > <key>name</key>
> > > <string>LiveCode Script Indentation</string>
> > > <key>scope</key>
> > > <string>source.livecode</string>
> > > <key>settings</key>
> > > <!-- documenation found at http://docs.sublimetext.info/
> > > en/latest/reference/metadata.html?highlight=indentation -->
> > > <dict>
> > > <key>increaseIndentPattern</key>
> > > <string>^\s*?((on\s+?.+)|((private\s)?((command|function)
> > > \s+?.+))|((else?\s*)?(if\s+?.+then\s*?)((#|--).*?)?$)|(else\
> > > s*?((#|--).*?)?$)|(repeat\s+?.+)|(switch\s?.+)|(case\s+?.+)|
> > > (default.*)|(try\s*?.*)|(catch\s+?.+)|(finally\s?.*)|((
> > > #|--|)\s*?&lt;\s*?[^/].*?&gt;))</string>
> > > <key>decreaseIndentPattern</key>
> > > <string>^\s*((end\s+?.+)|(case\s+?.+)|(default\s*?.*)|(
> > > else.*)|(catch\s+?.+)|(finally\s*?.*)|((#|--|)\s*?&
> lt;/.*?&gt;))</string>
> > > <key>disableIndentNextLinePattern</key>
> > > <!-- rules for when then next line would not be indented further -->
> > > <string>^\s*?(if\s+?.+?then\s+?.+)</string>
> > > <key>bracketIndentNextLinePattern</key>
> > > <!-- if current line matches then next line (and only next line)
> indented
> > > 1 level further -->
> > > <string></string>
> > > <key>unIndentedLinePattern</key>
> > > <!-- ignore any lines matching this pattern when computing the next
> > line's
> > > indent level -->
> > > <string></string>
> > > </dict>
> > > </dict>
> > > </plist>
> > >
> > >
> > > And the rationale file that I wrote so I could figure out wth I was
> > > thinking is:
> > > RegEx can be complicated, so here is the rationale for the regex for
> the
> > > various sections in the tab settings:
> > >
> > > increaseIndentPattern:
> > > ^\s*? Begin the line with 0..n whitespace characters due to indents or
> > > other things
> > > (
> > > (on\s+?.+) "on", followed by at least one space, then a handler name -
> > > e.g. "on myHandler"
> > >
> > > |((private\s)?((command|function)\s+?.+)) Either "private" and a
> space or
> > > neither, then either "command" or "function",
> > > then a space, a function name and perhaps parameters, e.g. "private
> > > function myFunction a, b" or "function myFunction a, b"
> > > |((else?\s*?)?(if\s+?.+then\s*?)((#|--).*?)?$) Either "else" and a
> space
> > > or neither, then "if", a space, some condition,
> > > "then", and possibly some spaces (but nothing else, i.e. no other
> > > commands/functions) following.  The line can end with a comment, either
> > > beginning with "#" or "--".  e.g. "if x then", or "if x then #this is
> > why",
> > > or "else if x then --perhaps nothing".  The goal is to distinguish
> > between
> > > if-then{-else} blocks and single-line if-then{-else} statements - the
> > > latter do not get indented.
> > >
> > > |(else\s*?((#|--).*?)?$) "else", then spaces (or not), but no other
> > > statements.  The line can end with a
> > > comment, either beginning with "#" or "--".  e.g. "else", or "else #we
> > > have work to do" or "else -- i forget".
> > >
> > > |(repeat\s+?.+) "repeat", then at least one space, and the rest of the
> > > statement, e.g. "repeat
> > > 100 times" or "repeat with i = 1 to 10" or "repeat for each x in y"
> > >
> > > |(switch\s+?.+) "switch", then at least 1 space, and the rest of the
> > > expression, e.g. "switch x"
> > > See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default.
> > >
> > > |(case\s+?.+) "case", then at least one space, then the value or
> > > condition, e.g. "case 1".
> > > See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
> > >
> > > |(default\s*?.+) "default" and whatever after it.  I didn't bother to
> use
> > > the indent rules to
> > > enforce default syntax, because I can't think of any time other than
> in a
> > > "switch" where "default" would be used, and if the user screws up the
> > > syntax, the linter should complain.  At any rate, the line could still
> > end
> > > with a comment, legitimately.  e.g. "default", "default -- something",
> or
> > > "default #nothing else matters".
> > > See below for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
> > >
> > > |(try\s*?.+) "try" and whatever follows.  Linter can enforce syntax,
> but
> > > I want to make sure
> > > we allow the user to put a comment at the end of the line, thus adding
> > the
> > > ".+"
> > > e.g. "try" or "try #something"
> > >
> > > |(catch\s+?.+) "catch", then a space, and the error variable, e.g.
> "catch
> > > a"
> > >
> > > |(finally\s*?.*) "finally", and if desired, some whitespace, and maybe
> a
> > > comment, e.g.
> > > "finally", or "finally #we're done".  Let the linter catch if something
> > > else was put at the end of the line, where I am recognizing that there
> > > might be a comment, instead.
> > >
> > > |((#|--|)\s*?&lt;\s*?[^/].*&gt;)) Mikey's favorite custom construct,
> the
> > > block.  The block is not something that
> > > LC handles any differently than any other bit of code, but we can have
> ST
> > > indent it, which means I can fold it.  Heh.  Heh.  Heh.  It's a comment
> > > with a tag that I use to mark a section of code without having to
> write a
> > > handler and deal with variable scope issues.
> > > "#" or "--" then perhaps one or more spaces, then "<", then perhaps
> more
> > > spaces, then anything that isn't a slash "/", then more text, then ">".
> > > e.g. "#<v. 3.0>", or "# <loads the documents>".  The reason for
> excluding
> > > the "/" is because that is an end tag - it will mark the end of the
> > block,
> > > and we will unindent at that point.
> > > )
> > >
> > > NOTE:  Switch and case are set to indent and unindent the way they are
> > b/c
> > > you cannot force a double-back indent.  Consider
> > > switch x
> > > case 1
> > > beep
> > > case 2
> > > beep
> > > default
> > > beep
> > > At this point we are two tab levels in.  There is no way to get "end
> > case"
> > > to move us back two levels, only one.  Therefore, in the
> > > decreaseIndentPattern, we have "case" and "default", to get the indent
> to
> > > be at the same level as "switch".
> > > switch x
> > > case 1
> > > beep
> > > case 2
> > > beep
> > > default
> > > beep
> > > end case
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > decreaseIndentPattern
> > > ^\s* Line may or may not begin with whitespace
> > > (
> > > (end\s+?.+) "end", then whitespace, then the handler name, e.g. "end
> > > mouseUp"
> > > |(case\s+?.+) "case", then at least one space, then the value or
> > > condition, e.g. "case 1".
> > > See above for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
> > > |(default\s*?.*) "default" and whatever after it.  I didn't bother to
> use
> > > the indent rules to
> > > enforce default syntax, because I can't think of any time other than
> in a
> > > "switch" where "default" would be used, and if the user screws up the
> > > syntax, the linter should complain.  At any rate, the line could still
> > end
> > > with a comment, legitimately.  e.g. "default", "default -- something",
> or
> > > "default #nothing else matter".
> > > See above for a note on the indenting of switch/case/default
> > > |(else.*) "else" and then whatever.  Every "else" line needs to pull
> back
> > > one indent,
> > > whether it is a straight "else", or "else if x=y then"
> > > |(catch\s+?.+) "catch", then a space, and the error variable, e.g.
> "catch
> > > a"
> > > |(finally\s*?.*) "finally", and if desired, some whitespace, and maybe
> a
> > > comment, e.g.
> > > "finally", or "finally #we're done".  Let the linter catch if something
> > > else was put at the end of the line, where I am recognizing that there
> > > might be a comment, instead.
> > > |((#|--|)\s*?&lt;/.*&gt;.*) End of a block (see above for discussion
> of a
> > > block)
> > > "#" or "--" then perhaps one or more spaces, then "<", then perhaps
> more
> > > spaces, then a slash "/", then more text, then ">".
> > > e.g. "#</v. 3.0>", or "# </loads the documents>".
> > > )
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > disableIndentNextLinePattern
> > > ^\s*?(if\s+?.+?then\s+?.+) whitespace, perhaps, then "if", then
> > > whitespace, then the condition, "then",
> > > at least one space, and more text.  e.g. "if x=y then beep".
> > > I'm trying to make sure we catch single-line if-then and if-then-else
> > > statements, as those are NOT going to have indented code below them.
> > Note
> > > that this regex will also match the if/then that has a comment on the
> end
> > > (e.g. "if x=y then #make sure we notify the user"), BUT, in that case,
> > the
> > > indent will override the "do nothing" rule.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 29 11:58:11 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 11:58:11 -0500
Subject: Reloading script-only stacks
In-Reply-To: <93D66FD7-D339-4706-9B18-160CDBD02768@appisle.net>
References: <AAA1D3E2-C9B7-43EF-BD63-661EBFD75476@gmail.com>
	<93D66FD7-D339-4706-9B18-160CDBD02768@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOmCgqtUg+HWyN8_4+5qtgNQr5M2h3zVLWxDCVz1EER=g@mail.gmail.com>

oooh.  I didn't think of doing that with git...

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> It?s always going to be safest to close LiveCode, checkout a different
> branch and then reopen LiveCode but just like people setup stuff so they
> can use external code editors you could add a git hook that notified the
> IDE that the worktree had changed and to reload things.
>
> > On 27 Jan 2018, at 7:29 am, Geoff Canyon via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > With version control, switching branches switches out SoS files. Is it
> best/necessary to then run through the stackfiles and set the destroystack
> of each to true and close/reopen them? Or is there a better way?
>
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Jan 29 12:25:11 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:25:11 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help 3 (OAuth app authorization flow?)
Message-ID: <E1661A06-28CB-445A-92D9-FFBDBE9D8E84@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

OK, now I'm able to uplod files to my dropbox, but if I want to publish the app, 
I need to implement the "OAuth app authorization flow" of Dropbox into my app!? 

The user will only be able to print to a PDF and then upload this PDF to his Dropbox, 
so nothing fancy, just upload a file to his dropbox.

After reading teh Dropbox API docs, I have a basic understanding how this works, 
but have no idea how to practically implement this into Livecode.

Any hints highly appreciated, thank you!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jan 29 12:33:31 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 17:33:31 +0000
Subject: regex deconstructor
In-Reply-To: <CA+yhkRZ77NOU8_pmG9kHHHoNOAyHockp6g546K767CfSJtdahw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1h1VC+4=1go3mkaeEyGSwJzhW1An5vrNNKgzkSB2Wn1j+1LA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<B9635DB3-5D2D-46BF-825A-529E6C3E6376@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOEObkO-Zf_Y0a1vCitqOLpL0GP5d_t+vYN1BiUjWXbLg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CADCoycMOG=5Au2=94sL8Ac0yzKxAqyWb2AE3OyVbBs1i9P2dhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRY5fZ0MM_h8_9zz=A7ZpzsCCY40wTZhDJ0Rj70UWbv6uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYkhnEuYNik-ca5+Fbezpn2Ws6sfSy6Os-4wBbtbN8Y=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycPK_18PE5X9+eshs_NVcskXFmVeGqMkw=m5gcU4Qpn=AQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+yhkRYhpkqxjop4HgNHsYFJni7K1Hbs7SmjQeK_LKSukEifVQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1517183234150-0.post@n4.nabble.com>
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	<CA+yhkRYSU88DAP8a17FVUZFZ5Vf5rDzYAfrcWiJ6g6QZzUiTfA@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Based on how it works, indent applies to the next line and unindent
> applies to the current line (in Atom).


From irog at mac.com  Mon Jan 29 12:41:10 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 10:41:10 -0700
Subject: Saving Changes in iOS
In-Reply-To: <953132FA-E95F-4467-AA61-E973B21337FE@major-k.de>
References: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>
	<003801d39916$0973a360$1c5aea20$@net>
	<0DC38027-DBEA-4CB8-B5D3-4D79177CE6EB@mac.com>
	<953132FA-E95F-4467-AA61-E973B21337FE@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <334F1CD9-3EA3-4BFE-8524-392D81DE64CC@mac.com>

Hi Klaus,

So are you saying that I create a folder called "specialfolderpath("documents?)?, add this folder to the ?Copy Files? of the Standalone Application Settings, and put my MainStack into it?

Thanks,
Roger

> On Jan 29, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> You already named it:
> the documents folder
> the temporary folder
> 
> Is equivalent to:
> specialfolderpath("documents")
> specialfolderpath("temporary")
> 
> 



From irog at mac.com  Mon Jan 29 12:56:05 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 10:56:05 -0700
Subject: Open stack "MyStack" Not working
Message-ID: <BB879164-4326-47FE-8F0E-26D19C927890@mac.com>

All of a sudden, today, 

open stack ?myStack?

Does not work. I results in this error:

Message execution error:

Error description: Handler: error in statement

Hint: message


So far, I?ve tried restarting my Mac (OS 10.13.2) a number of times and I?ve tried ditching the prefs, all to no avail. I get the same result on LC 7.1.3, 8.1.7 and 8.1.8.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Roger





From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Jan 29 12:57:03 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:57:03 +0100
Subject: Saving Changes in iOS
In-Reply-To: <334F1CD9-3EA3-4BFE-8524-392D81DE64CC@mac.com>
References: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>
	<003801d39916$0973a360$1c5aea20$@net>
	<0DC38027-DBEA-4CB8-B5D3-4D79177CE6EB@mac.com>
	<953132FA-E95F-4467-AA61-E973B21337FE@major-k.de>
	<334F1CD9-3EA3-4BFE-8524-392D81DE64CC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B64A3376-1947-4FEC-8023-E31EF08927C6@major-k.de>

Hi Roger,

> Am 29.01.2018 um 18:41 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Klaus,
> 
> So are you saying that I create a folder called "specialfolderpath("documents?)?, add this folder to the ?Copy Files? of the Standalone Application Settings, and put my MainStack into it?

no, I'm not saying this! :-)
Please read up the specialfolderpath() section in the dictionary.

1. specialfolderpath("documents?) is the folder inside of the application bundle where we have write permissions!
It is already there, do NOT try to create it!

2. Add your "main" stack via the "Copy files" to your app.

3. Then do this when the app (launcher) starts (preopenstack or openstack)
...
## Stack in users docs folder, where we have write permissions, means where we can SAVE that stack:
put specialfoderpath("documents") & "/your mainstack here.livecode" into tTargetStack

## This is the stack you added via "Copy files":
put specialfoderpath("resources") & "/your mainstack here.livecode" into tSourceStack

## check if the app had already been opened before:
if there is NOT a file tTargetStack then
  put url("binfile:" & tSourceStack) into url("binfile:" & tTargetStack)
end if

## Now open that new stack in the users docs folder and save it later without problems:
go stack tTargetStack
...

And don't forget to add:
...
start using this stack
...
to your LAUNCHER Stack before opening other stacks, so your separate "main" stack can use 
all of its scripts, libraries, externals etc.

> Thanks,
> Roger

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Jan 29 13:00:29 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:00:29 +0100
Subject: Saving Changes in iOS
In-Reply-To: <B64A3376-1947-4FEC-8023-E31EF08927C6@major-k.de>
References: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>
	<003801d39916$0973a360$1c5aea20$@net>
	<0DC38027-DBEA-4CB8-B5D3-4D79177CE6EB@mac.com>
	<953132FA-E95F-4467-AA61-E973B21337FE@major-k.de>
	<334F1CD9-3EA3-4BFE-8524-392D81DE64CC@mac.com>
	<B64A3376-1947-4FEC-8023-E31EF08927C6@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <13262724-6C3B-4EBF-97A4-A1D47192B1D3@major-k.de>



> Am 29.01.2018 um 18:57 schrieb Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> Hi Roger,
> 
>> Am 29.01.2018 um 18:41 schrieb Roger Guay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>> 
>> Hi Klaus,
>> 
>> So are you saying that I create a folder called "specialfolderpath("documents?)?, add this folder to the ?Copy Files? of the Standalone Application Settings, and put my MainStack into it?
> 
> no, I'm not saying this! :-)
> Please read up the specialfolderpath() section in the dictionary.
> 
> 1. specialfolderpath("documents?) is the folder inside of the application bundle where we have write permissions!
> It is already there, do NOT try to create it!

Addition, this only applies to iOS and Android!

On desktop, the documents folder is on oyur hard disk, to see it on your machine, use the message box:
answer specialfolderpath("documents")

> 2. Add your "main" stack via the "Copy files" to your app.
> 
> 3. Then do this when the app (launcher) starts (preopenstack or openstack)
> ...
> ## Stack in users docs folder, where we have write permissions, means where we can SAVE that stack:
> put specialfoderpath("documents") & "/your mainstack here.livecode" into tTargetStack
> 
> ## This is the stack you added via "Copy files":
> put specialfoderpath("resources") & "/your mainstack here.livecode" into tSourceStack
> 
> ## check if the app had already been opened before:
> if there is NOT a file tTargetStack then
>  put url("binfile:" & tSourceStack) into url("binfile:" & tTargetStack)
> end if
> 
> ## Now open that new stack in the users docs folder and save it later without problems:
> go stack tTargetStack
> ...
> 
> And don't forget to add:
> ...
> start using this stack
> ...
> to your LAUNCHER Stack before opening other stacks, so your separate "main" stack can use 
> all of its scripts, libraries, externals etc.
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Jan 29 13:04:28 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 13:04:28 -0500
Subject: Saving Changes in iOS
In-Reply-To: <334F1CD9-3EA3-4BFE-8524-392D81DE64CC@mac.com>
References: <4A82A95C-8B02-4ED5-85A1-A1FCAAC740EF@mac.com>	<003801d39916$0973a360$1c5aea20$@net>	<0DC38027-DBEA-4CB8-B5D3-4D79177CE6EB@mac.com>	<953132FA-E95F-4467-AA61-E973B21337FE@major-k.de>
	<334F1CD9-3EA3-4BFE-8524-392D81DE64CC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004b01d3992b$9d9c3560$d8d4a020$@net>

The folders already exists. You can of course create sub-folders. In iOS "the Documents folder" is automatically backed up but "the Temporary Folder" is not. Apple reviewers will get upset if you put too much into the documents folder. You will be required to either move files to the temporary folder or mark them as "No Backup". Using iphoneDoNotBackupFile.

Example:

Put URL("File:"&the engine folder&slash&"MyDatabase.db") into url ("File:"&the documents folder&slash&"MyDatabase.db")
put revOpenDatabase("sqlite", the documents folder&slash&"MyDatabase.db"), , ,) into tDatabaseID

You would put MyDatabase.db in the copy file pane of the standalone settings.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Roger Guay via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 12:41 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Roger Guay
Subject: Re: Saving Changes in iOS

Hi Klaus,

So are you saying that I create a folder called "specialfolderpath("documents?)?, add this folder to the ?Copy Files? of the Standalone Application Settings, and put my MainStack into it?

Thanks,
Roger

> On Jan 29, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> You already named it:
> the documents folder
> the temporary folder
> 
> Is equivalent to:
> specialfolderpath("documents")
> specialfolderpath("temporary")
> 
> 

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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Jan 29 13:32:46 2018
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 12:32:46 -0600
Subject: Reloading script-only stacks
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNqCrGRxF9Qcs37s3tOKxvvqv6gOY1b9Cy4BeeP4rFdwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAA1D3E2-C9B7-43EF-BD63-661EBFD75476@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycNqCrGRxF9Qcs37s3tOKxvvqv6gOY1b9Cy4BeeP4rFdwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG81c8Zeow4DyXBZzEFBKudxD7h6RiHRNh+QAHwQeHD_4g@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Check with Trevor - in Levure he waits for a signal on a port that ST sends
> when there is a save and then magically reloads.


The way the Levure/SublimeText integration works is as follows:

- If the LiveCode language plugin for Sublime Text is installed a Sublime
Text project can be configured to send a notification over a local port
every time a LiveCode file is saved in Sublime Text. The notification
includes the stack name as well as the stack file path.
- A plugin running in LiveCode listens for notifications on the local port.
When a notification is received the plugin checks to see if a stack with a
matching name and file path is loaded in memory. If it is then the stack
script is reloaded.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 29 13:55:50 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 13:55:50 -0500
Subject: Dropbox help 3 (OAuth app authorization flow?)
In-Reply-To: <E1661A06-28CB-445A-92D9-FFBDBE9D8E84@major-k.de>
References: <E1661A06-28CB-445A-92D9-FFBDBE9D8E84@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycProP-gM9abQzODYD5=3CcfK62rzq+VuJ7Jp5rbsd6fZw@mail.gmail.com>

What specifically would you like to know, Klaus?
use dropboxUpload to do an upload.

Check out Gerard's Dropbox API v2 stack for a stack you can use to play so
you can understand what's going on.
I don't think he has his own repo, so you can download it from mine:
https://github.com/macMikey/dropboxapi_v2
The api is slightly different than LC's library, because when Monte wrote
LC's he made changes to Gerard's code to support things like asynchronous
calls, but they map 1:1.
Don't forget that unlike in the phx library, you have to add a slash on the
front of all your paths in both Gerard's and LC's libraries.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> OK, now I'm able to uplod files to my dropbox, but if I want to publish
> the app,
> I need to implement the "OAuth app authorization flow" of Dropbox into my
> app!?
>
> The user will only be able to print to a PDF and then upload this PDF to
> his Dropbox,
> so nothing fancy, just upload a file to his dropbox.
>
> After reading teh Dropbox API docs, I have a basic understanding how this
> works,
> but have no idea how to practically implement this into Livecode.
>
> Any hints highly appreciated, thank you!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jan 29 14:01:43 2018
From: brahma at hindu.org (Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:01:43 +0000
Subject: Artifacts on screen from closed stacks on Android
In-Reply-To: <A0B16FC2-5BBC-455C-9D3C-7BC808A6623D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <19838860-06F1-4D8F-9271-24EF495EF786@hindu.org>
	<d374fd8f-6798-77e0-bb61-97c35c033629@hyperactivesw.com>
	<C49BE223-EEB0-4128-900E-D13CEB90BBE7@hindu.org>
	<d92f98b6-8e8c-0eb9-1dce-bbb54063f582@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A0B16FC2-5BBC-455C-9D3C-7BC808A6623D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F1142ADD-9741-45EA-A9CD-DE9829A50EAA@hindu.org>

Unfortunately, it is worse than that? see these screenshots from the Galaxy A7 running Nougat

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/20171227_104835.jpg


The entire "portal" stack remains rendered in the background, in this case, on card "home" even though 

a) it was closed

b) destroyStack/destroyWindow (what's the difference?) are set to true

c) Stack "surprise" opens to card 3 which has a background texture with an image overlayed? only the image object from what is now the "topstack"  is rendered. The rest of the card is not.

similar case here where stack "gems" was closed and stack "Surprise" is opened but only the image object on the card renders while the entirely of the card of the close stack remains on screen in the background.

http://wiki.hindu.org/uploads/20171227_095851.jpg


 

On 1/29/18, 5:54 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode" <use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com on behalf of use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

    I hide background images and then set the background fill of the card to that image id. Not sure if that would help. 
    
    Bob S
    
    
    >On Jan 28, 2018, at 19:06 , J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
    >On 1/28/18 8:25 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote:
    >>BR: But we are talking about entire stacks? and the offending object wants to disappear completely across the entire screen, not be redrawn
    >I think the problem in SivaSiva is the background image in most cases, the one that extends beyond the card width. So I'd try hiding that image on closestack and showing it on preopenstack.


From theaford at btinternet.com  Mon Jan 29 14:01:59 2018
From: theaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:01:59 +0000
Subject: DataGrid Horizontal Scrollbar
Message-ID: <8BD2107B-2D3C-4070-A08C-3F7C348D9904@btinternet.com>

When I have a DataGrid with the show horizontal scrollbar set to auto the scrollbar is hidden when the DataGrid contains no rows.

On the face of it this seems correct but when the DataGrid header is wider than the window the scrollbar is still not visible and hence it is not possible to see the header contents
without enlarging the window.

Is this the intended method?



Thanks

Terry





From beofonemind at gmail.com  Mon Jan 29 14:29:23 2018
From: beofonemind at gmail.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 14:29:23 -0500
Subject: DataGrid Horizontal Scrollbar
In-Reply-To: <8BD2107B-2D3C-4070-A08C-3F7C348D9904@btinternet.com>
References: <8BD2107B-2D3C-4070-A08C-3F7C348D9904@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAEk4XB5D1isCg9EZ+U1vPzYy6o8Kphhwyq++ww-zmQiJ72imhg@mail.gmail.com>

probably but if you were to look at the datagrid library i'm sure you can

set the disabled of the scrollbar to false once you find the name of it.



On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Terence Heaford via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> When I have a DataGrid with the show horizontal scrollbar set to auto the
> scrollbar is hidden when the DataGrid contains no rows.
>
> On the face of it this seems correct but when the DataGrid header is wider
> than the window the scrollbar is still not visible and hence it is not
> possible to see the header contents
> without enlarging the window.
>
> Is this the intended method?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Terry
>
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Jan 29 14:39:20 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:39:20 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help 3 (OAuth app authorization flow?)
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycProP-gM9abQzODYD5=3CcfK62rzq+VuJ7Jp5rbsd6fZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1661A06-28CB-445A-92D9-FFBDBE9D8E84@major-k.de>
	<CADCoycProP-gM9abQzODYD5=3CcfK62rzq+VuJ7Jp5rbsd6fZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B64CBEE2-31E5-4424-9274-8972EBD89955@major-k.de>

Hi Mike,

> Am 29.01.2018 um 19:55 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> What specifically would you like to know, Klaus?
> use dropboxUpload to do an upload.

yes, sure, that works on my machine, but not on other user computers and/or
mobile devices! 

Therefore my question for the "OAuth app authorization flow" of Dropbox
and how to implement this in Livecode.

> Check out Gerard's Dropbox API v2 stack for a stack you can use to play so
> you can understand what's going on.
> I don't think he has his own repo, so you can download it from mine:
> https://github.com/macMikey/dropboxapi_v2
> The api is slightly different than LC's library, because when Monte wrote
> LC's he made changes to Gerard's code to support things like asynchronous
> calls, but they map 1:1.
> Don't forget that unlike in the phx library, you have to add a slash on the
> front of all your paths in both Gerard's and LC's libraries.

yes, thanks, already been bitten by that one :-D

Thank you, will look at the above mentioned library!

> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> OK, now I'm able to uplod files to my dropbox, but if I want to publish
>> the app,
>> I need to implement the "OAuth app authorization flow" of Dropbox into my
>> app!?
>> 
>> The user will only be able to print to a PDF and then upload this PDF to
>> his Dropbox,
>> so nothing fancy, just upload a file to his dropbox.
>> 
>> After reading teh Dropbox API docs, I have a basic understanding how this
>> works,
>> but have no idea how to practically implement this into Livecode.
>> 
>> Any hints highly appreciated, thank you!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 29 15:11:16 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 15:11:16 -0500
Subject: Dropbox help 3 (OAuth app authorization flow?)
In-Reply-To: <B64CBEE2-31E5-4424-9274-8972EBD89955@major-k.de>
References: <E1661A06-28CB-445A-92D9-FFBDBE9D8E84@major-k.de>
	<CADCoycProP-gM9abQzODYD5=3CcfK62rzq+VuJ7Jp5rbsd6fZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B64CBEE2-31E5-4424-9274-8972EBD89955@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPiOT3iK7KCM+mhMZ9Ad6kA_cZ950DZD2nZCTsqvgFONQ@mail.gmail.com>

What is failing on mobile or other machines?  Are you getting an error?
That reminds me, I have a more recent version of the LC dropbox library
that does more complete error reporting.  If I remember correctly Monte is
going to integrate this version in an upcoming LC but I don't remember when
or if it's in 9 DP11
Attach this as a substack.  The error reporting will be more descriptive:
https://github.com/macMikey/LCDropboxLibrary

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 2:39 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> > Am 29.01.2018 um 19:55 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> >
> > What specifically would you like to know, Klaus?
> > use dropboxUpload to do an upload.
>
> yes, sure, that works on my machine, but not on other user computers and/or
> mobile devices!
>
> Therefore my question for the "OAuth app authorization flow" of Dropbox
> and how to implement this in Livecode.
>
> > Check out Gerard's Dropbox API v2 stack for a stack you can use to play
> so
> > you can understand what's going on.
> > I don't think he has his own repo, so you can download it from mine:
> > https://github.com/macMikey/dropboxapi_v2
> > The api is slightly different than LC's library, because when Monte wrote
> > LC's he made changes to Gerard's code to support things like asynchronous
> > calls, but they map 1:1.
> > Don't forget that unlike in the phx library, you have to add a slash on
> the
> > front of all your paths in both Gerard's and LC's libraries.
>
> yes, thanks, already been bitten by that one :-D
>
> Thank you, will look at the above mentioned library!
>
> > On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:25 PM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi friends,
> >>
> >> OK, now I'm able to uplod files to my dropbox, but if I want to publish
> >> the app,
> >> I need to implement the "OAuth app authorization flow" of Dropbox into
> my
> >> app!?
> >>
> >> The user will only be able to print to a PDF and then upload this PDF to
> >> his Dropbox,
> >> so nothing fancy, just upload a file to his dropbox.
> >>
> >> After reading teh Dropbox API docs, I have a basic understanding how
> this
> >> works,
> >> but have no idea how to practically implement this into Livecode.
> >>
> >> Any hints highly appreciated, thank you!
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Jan 29 16:57:58 2018
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 08:57:58 +1100
Subject: Open stack "MyStack" Not working
In-Reply-To: <BB879164-4326-47FE-8F0E-26D19C927890@mac.com>
References: <BB879164-4326-47FE-8F0E-26D19C927890@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kiW=fEzU86=+e5u1H-2=DLA5r9kxobv6n2H9AJ7nV9o0g@mail.gmail.com>

What is the line before your "open stack" line?
Is there any chance that the stack "myStack" has accidently had it's
name changed: " myStack", "myStack ", " myStack " or "my Stack" - note
the spaces
What happens when you enter the command into the Message Box, does
that open the Stack? If not, can you use the command to open some
other Stack? If so, does "myStack" really still exist?

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:56 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> All of a sudden, today,
>
> open stack ?myStack?
>
> Does not work. I results in this error:
>
> Message execution error:
>
> Error description: Handler: error in statement
>
> Hint: message
>
>
> So far, I?ve tried restarting my Mac (OS 10.13.2) a number of times and I?ve tried ditching the prefs, all to no avail. I get the same result on LC 7.1.3, 8.1.7 and 8.1.8.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jan 29 18:48:02 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 23:48:02 +0000
Subject: RevQueryDatabase error in standalone
In-Reply-To: <CAEk4XB5jnDVX+QtMKst=q_DKGtzh8oEpVwRjsXQ8m8vdW-eYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <050E4205-6386-4587-AFCD-55475F01E786@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB7N=oAvzxFji-7ScB4yBwCFOm+56+jO92cNuQEyFJyY9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A272F827-5604-4D88-9E74-648F7AECDC1F@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB5jnDVX+QtMKst=q_DKGtzh8oEpVwRjsXQ8m8vdW-eYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0E287EC-CB3F-48CC-B610-40F0D4936090@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

Now I'm not even getting to the revOpenDatabase call. Mind you this ONLY happens when I run the standalone. Not in the IDE. This is what I get when I send an email from the crash dialog:

Executing at 3:40:49 PM on Monday, January 29, 2018
Type: Object: card id 1002 of stack '//Mac/Home/Documents/Livecode Projects/Forms Generator 8/Forms Generator/Forms Generator.exe'
Error: 361,0,0
241,10,1,openStack
353,0,0,card id 1002 of stack '//Mac/Home/Documents/Livecode Projects/Forms Generator 8/Forms Generator/Forms Generator.exe'

The card script has a total of 261 lines of code. 241 is a comment. Not sure this is at all a helpful error report. 

Bob S

 
> On Jan 25, 2018, at 17:06 , Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> ya you have to look at the error.....sometimes its not what you'd expect
> expect.




From ahsoftware at sonic.net  Mon Jan 29 20:21:26 2018
From: ahsoftware at sonic.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 17:21:26 -0800
Subject: RevQueryDatabase error in standalone
In-Reply-To: <D0E287EC-CB3F-48CC-B610-40F0D4936090@iotecdigital.com>
References: <050E4205-6386-4587-AFCD-55475F01E786@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB7N=oAvzxFji-7ScB4yBwCFOm+56+jO92cNuQEyFJyY9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A272F827-5604-4D88-9E74-648F7AECDC1F@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB5jnDVX+QtMKst=q_DKGtzh8oEpVwRjsXQ8m8vdW-eYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0E287EC-CB3F-48CC-B610-40F0D4936090@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <e76411a6-9af7-c6a4-72bb-a1cd2916808c@sonic.net>

On 01/29/2018 03:48 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> Now I'm not even getting to the revOpenDatabase call. Mind you this ONLY happens when I run the standalone. Not in the IDE. This is what I get when I send an email from the crash dialog:
> 
> Executing at 3:40:49 PM on Monday, January 29, 2018
> Type: Object: card id 1002 of stack '//Mac/Home/Documents/Livecode Projects/Forms Generator 8/Forms Generator/Forms Generator.exe'
> Error: 361,0,0
> 241,10,1,openStack
> 353,0,0,card id 1002 of stack '//Mac/Home/Documents/Livecode Projects/Forms Generator 8/Forms Generator/Forms Generator.exe'
> 
> The card script has a total of 261 lines of code. 241 is a comment. Not sure this is at all a helpful error report.

I don't have the context for this anymore but...
um...
you're trying to run a exe file on a Mac?

Aside from that, runtime error 361 is "Object: can't set that property"
and your error is at line 10 in the openStack handler.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 29 20:21:40 2018
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 01:21:40 +0000
Subject: multiple cameraControls possible?
Message-ID: <HK2PR03MB171397492F2396897BE0D9EEA5E40@HK2PR03MB1713.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>

I've been testing out the cameraControl a bit more and trying to make more than 1 at a time. It is possible but only seems to have one of them active at a time (i.e. updating). Though if the second one is then deleted, the first one becomes active again.

Is it possible to have more than 1 active? i.e. to have both front + rear cameras updating?

Additionally, I have an external (thermal) camera and would like to use that, but it didn't appear in the devices available to the cameraControl. I was assuming it should - is this a bug or just expected? Or do I need to allow access to the external camera for my app perhaps?

Thanks for any help!

cheers

Alan




From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Jan 29 21:15:58 2018
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi))
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 02:15:58 +0000
Subject: multiple cameraControls possible?
In-Reply-To: <HK2PR03MB171397492F2396897BE0D9EEA5E40@HK2PR03MB1713.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <HK2PR03MB171397492F2396897BE0D9EEA5E40@HK2PR03MB1713.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSSS9kchVhSBWabtNtrrVaZYu=vt=0Tg2XHoEKbcdfZqLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alan. Is this for iOS, Android or desktop? Based on the dev api for both
iOS and Roid it should be possible to access both cameras simultaneously.
It doesn't appear to be so simple with external cameras. Desktop is a
different story. Either way, cameraControl would need modifying to enable
it.

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On 30 January 2018 at 01:21, Alan via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I've been testing out the cameraControl a bit more and trying to make more
> than 1 at a time. It is possible but only seems to have one of them active
> at a time (i.e. updating). Though if the second one is then deleted, the
> first one becomes active again.
>
> Is it possible to have more than 1 active? i.e. to have both front + rear
> cameras updating?
>
> Additionally, I have an external (thermal) camera and would like to use
> that, but it didn't appear in the devices available to the cameraControl. I
> was assuming it should - is this a bug or just expected? Or do I need to
> allow access to the external camera for my app perhaps?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> cheers
>
> Alan
>
>
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From brian at milby7.com  Mon Jan 29 21:47:01 2018
From: brian at milby7.com (Brian Milby)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 02:47:01 +0000
Subject: Treeview widget - setting scroll?
In-Reply-To: <HK2PR03MB17139112BB90E0DFA3297115A5E50@HK2PR03MB1713.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <HK2PR03MB17139112BB90E0DFA3297115A5E50@HK2PR03MB1713.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+yhkRZpqtt3UbwE-2i1UwcCCDsusYu-zoVsE2y63XdVWTqV6Q@mail.gmail.com>

You do not have the ability to get/set a position by line number/position
percentage but you can get/set the selected line using a path (see the
dictionary for specifics). It is probably possible to extend the widget to
get a position, setting would also be possible I imagine.
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 10:23 PM Alan via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Is it possible to get and/or set the scroll of a treeview widget?
>
> It doesn't look like it, but perhaps someone has a work-around? Or is
> there some hidden property perhaps?
>
> Thanks for any pointers!
>
> cheers
>
> Alan
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From irog at mac.com  Mon Jan 29 22:05:03 2018
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:05:03 -0700
Subject: Open stack "MyStack" Not working
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kiW=fEzU86=+e5u1H-2=DLA5r9kxobv6n2H9AJ7nV9o0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BB879164-4326-47FE-8F0E-26D19C927890@mac.com>
	<CA+uh5kiW=fEzU86=+e5u1H-2=DLA5r9kxobv6n2H9AJ7nV9o0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39853891-C1A1-4DD5-90C2-FB9F5C1100D5@mac.com>

Hi Kay C,

Thanks for your help . . . this is really perplexing, but I think I may have fixed it. Trouble is, I?m not sure how.

The first thing I did was clean out my LC prefs
Then I deleted and reloaded LC 8.1.8

These two did not seem to fix the problem of not being able to open a stack by script, either in the Message Box or in an OpenStack script. So?

I chose to "Save As...? all the stacks that would not open by script with the same title and that seems to do it. 

Keeping my fingers crossed and my confusion at bay . . . at least for now

Thanks very much for keeping me company.

Roger




> On Jan 29, 2018, at 2:57 PM, Kay C Lan via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> What is the line before your "open stack" line?
> Is there any chance that the stack "myStack" has accidently had it's
> name changed: " myStack", "myStack ", " myStack " or "my Stack" - note
> the spaces
> What happens when you enter the command into the Message Box, does
> that open the Stack? If not, can you use the command to open some
> other Stack? If so, does "myStack" really still exist?
> 
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 4:56 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode
> <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> All of a sudden, today,
>> 
>> open stack ?myStack?
>> 
>> Does not work. I results in this error:
>> 
>> Message execution error:
>> 
>> Error description: Handler: error in statement
>> 
>> Hint: message
>> 
>> 
>> So far, I?ve tried restarting my Mac (OS 10.13.2) a number of times and I?ve tried ditching the prefs, all to no avail. I get the same result on LC 7.1.3, 8.1.7 and 8.1.8.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jan 29 23:07:48 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 20:07:48 -0800
Subject: making DG2 usable
Message-ID: <fc4d4c1f-e8c1-1a0a-f7e1-858b34f65a86@fourthworld.com>

The new DG2 has some great features, but on my phone its performance 
makes it unusable.  Scrolling is painfully slow, the reordering and 
deleting slow enough to feel wonky.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Is there some special combination of 
acceleratedRendering and/or other features I should be setting with the DG?

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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jan 30 07:57:59 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 13:57:59 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help 3 (OAuth app authorization flow?)
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPiOT3iK7KCM+mhMZ9Ad6kA_cZ950DZD2nZCTsqvgFONQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1661A06-28CB-445A-92D9-FFBDBE9D8E84@major-k.de>
	<CADCoycProP-gM9abQzODYD5=3CcfK62rzq+VuJ7Jp5rbsd6fZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B64CBEE2-31E5-4424-9274-8972EBD89955@major-k.de>
	<CADCoycPiOT3iK7KCM+mhMZ9Ad6kA_cZ950DZD2nZCTsqvgFONQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98F0D183-E6FE-4280-9641-F8AFF09212DA@major-k.de>

Hi Mike,

> Am 29.01.2018 um 21:11 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> What is failing on mobile or other machines?  Are you getting an error?

I can use MY accesstoken on MY machine, but that will not work on other machines.

On other machines I need to implement the "OAuth app authorization flow" of Dropbox
as described here: <https://www.dropbox.com/developers/reference/oauth-guide>

And I have no idea how that should look/be done in Livecode.

Can this be scripted completely or does the user really need to copy a token at Dropbox 
and enter in my application? That is the part I really don't get...

> That reminds me, I have a more recent version of the LC dropbox library
> that does more complete error reporting.  If I remember correctly Monte is
> going to integrate this version in an upcoming LC but I don't remember when
> or if it's in 9 DP11
> Attach this as a substack.  The error reporting will be more descriptive:
> https://github.com/macMikey/LCDropboxLibrary

Best

Klaus

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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 30 09:58:34 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 09:58:34 -0500
Subject: Dropbox help 3 (OAuth app authorization flow?)
In-Reply-To: <98F0D183-E6FE-4280-9641-F8AFF09212DA@major-k.de>
References: <E1661A06-28CB-445A-92D9-FFBDBE9D8E84@major-k.de>
	<CADCoycProP-gM9abQzODYD5=3CcfK62rzq+VuJ7Jp5rbsd6fZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B64CBEE2-31E5-4424-9274-8972EBD89955@major-k.de>
	<CADCoycPiOT3iK7KCM+mhMZ9Ad6kA_cZ950DZD2nZCTsqvgFONQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<98F0D183-E6FE-4280-9641-F8AFF09212DA@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMxEyEJj6XMRHERt266uGPQqz+15KkmOQnu2M1eGAQupQ@mail.gmail.com>

I forgot that Gerard has a repo up, now.  It's at
https://github.com/gmcrev/DropBoxAPI2livecode.  Grab that.  There's a
button for documentation or something like that at the top.  That takes you
to a second card that describes what you have to do.  I am not aware of any
code that completely automates the process.


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jan 30 10:02:02 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:02:02 +0100
Subject: Dropbox help 3 (OAuth app authorization flow?)
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMxEyEJj6XMRHERt266uGPQqz+15KkmOQnu2M1eGAQupQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1661A06-28CB-445A-92D9-FFBDBE9D8E84@major-k.de>
	<CADCoycProP-gM9abQzODYD5=3CcfK62rzq+VuJ7Jp5rbsd6fZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B64CBEE2-31E5-4424-9274-8972EBD89955@major-k.de>
	<CADCoycPiOT3iK7KCM+mhMZ9Ad6kA_cZ950DZD2nZCTsqvgFONQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<98F0D183-E6FE-4280-9641-F8AFF09212DA@major-k.de>
	<CADCoycMxEyEJj6XMRHERt266uGPQqz+15KkmOQnu2M1eGAQupQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44B085DE-CDB4-4C97-B643-3EC85FECA31C@major-k.de>

Hi Mike,

> Am 30.01.2018 um 15:58 schrieb Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
> 
> I forgot that Gerard has a repo up, now.  It's at
> https://github.com/gmcrev/DropBoxAPI2livecode.  Grab that.  There's a
> button for documentation or something like that at the top.  That takes you
> to a second card that describes what you have to do.  I am not aware of any
> code that completely automates the process.

thank you, will take a look at that library!


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan 30 10:14:58 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 15:14:58 +0000
Subject: RevQueryDatabase error in standalone
In-Reply-To: <e76411a6-9af7-c6a4-72bb-a1cd2916808c@sonic.net>
References: <050E4205-6386-4587-AFCD-55475F01E786@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB7N=oAvzxFji-7ScB4yBwCFOm+56+jO92cNuQEyFJyY9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A272F827-5604-4D88-9E74-648F7AECDC1F@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB5jnDVX+QtMKst=q_DKGtzh8oEpVwRjsXQ8m8vdW-eYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0E287EC-CB3F-48CC-B610-40F0D4936090@iotecdigital.com>
	<e76411a6-9af7-c6a4-72bb-a1cd2916808c@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <2FDBDEA3-6762-40BB-9132-1ED7CDA6E086@iotecdigital.com>

Yeah that particular error came from having moved on recommendation, my preOpenStack and openStack handlers to the card script of my Login stack. Once I moved them back this particular error disappeared. Now I am getting invalid database id when I attempt to query the database. I will check the result after revOpenDatabase. Odd thing is it works perfectly in dev mode but not as a standalone, and other database functions work fine. It's just when I attempt to open a memory database. 

Bob S


> On Jan 29, 2018, at 17:21 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't have the context for this anymore but...
> um...
> you're trying to run a exe file on a Mac?
> 
> Aside from that, runtime error 361 is "Object: can't set that property"
> and your error is at line 10 in the openStack handler.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jan 30 10:30:02 2018
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:30:02 +0100
Subject: RevQueryDatabase error in standalone
In-Reply-To: <2FDBDEA3-6762-40BB-9132-1ED7CDA6E086@iotecdigital.com>
References: <050E4205-6386-4587-AFCD-55475F01E786@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB7N=oAvzxFji-7ScB4yBwCFOm+56+jO92cNuQEyFJyY9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A272F827-5604-4D88-9E74-648F7AECDC1F@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB5jnDVX+QtMKst=q_DKGtzh8oEpVwRjsXQ8m8vdW-eYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0E287EC-CB3F-48CC-B610-40F0D4936090@iotecdigital.com>
	<e76411a6-9af7-c6a4-72bb-a1cd2916808c@sonic.net>
	<2FDBDEA3-6762-40BB-9132-1ED7CDA6E086@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <063A7366-B11C-4AB2-AB82-BC04E8762254@m-r-d.de>

Bob,

is it possible that you have SaveStackRequest handler in one of your stacks or cards  and forgot to add 'pass savestackrequest' as the last line to it?

I remember  that i once had a similar problem  and in my case i had forgotten to add that line. 
The result was i could save the standalone and although the db externals were included into it i was not able to do any database communication.

Just a thought?.

Regards,
Matthias


> Am 30.01.2018 um 16:14 schrieb Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
> 
> Yeah that particular error came from having moved on recommendation, my preOpenStack and openStack handlers to the card script of my Login stack. Once I moved them back this particular error disappeared. Now I am getting invalid database id when I attempt to query the database. I will check the result after revOpenDatabase. Odd thing is it works perfectly in dev mode but not as a standalone, and other database functions work fine. It's just when I attempt to open a memory database. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 17:21 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't have the context for this anymore but...
>> um...
>> you're trying to run a exe file on a Mac?
>> 
>> Aside from that, runtime error 361 is "Object: can't set that property"
>> and your error is at line 10 in the openStack handler.
>> 
>> -- 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jan 30 11:51:02 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:51:02 +0000
Subject: RevQueryDatabase error in standalone
In-Reply-To: <063A7366-B11C-4AB2-AB82-BC04E8762254@m-r-d.de>
References: <050E4205-6386-4587-AFCD-55475F01E786@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB7N=oAvzxFji-7ScB4yBwCFOm+56+jO92cNuQEyFJyY9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<A272F827-5604-4D88-9E74-648F7AECDC1F@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAEk4XB5jnDVX+QtMKst=q_DKGtzh8oEpVwRjsXQ8m8vdW-eYDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0E287EC-CB3F-48CC-B610-40F0D4936090@iotecdigital.com>
	<e76411a6-9af7-c6a4-72bb-a1cd2916808c@sonic.net>
	<2FDBDEA3-6762-40BB-9132-1ED7CDA6E086@iotecdigital.com>
	<063A7366-B11C-4AB2-AB82-BC04E8762254@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <710E9307-CDBC-49E3-8B39-DEC069474DFA@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Matthias. I did a search on the main stack and substacks and got no hits. Good to know though. 

Bob S


> On Jan 30, 2018, at 07:30 , Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> is it possible that you have SaveStackRequest handler in one of your stacks or cards  and forgot to add 'pass savestackrequest' as the last line to it?
> 
> I remember  that i once had a similar problem  and in my case i had forgotten to add that line. 
> The result was i could save the standalone and although the db externals were included into it i was not able to do any database communication.
> 
> Just a thought?.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias


From mkoob at rogers.com  Tue Jan 30 14:29:25 2018
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 12:29:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: multiple cameraControls possible?
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSSS9kchVhSBWabtNtrrVaZYu=vt=0Tg2XHoEKbcdfZqLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <HK2PR03MB171397492F2396897BE0D9EEA5E40@HK2PR03MB1713.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>
	<CABRqQSSS9kchVhSBWabtNtrrVaZYu=vt=0Tg2XHoEKbcdfZqLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1517340565999-0.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Alan

On Mac and Windows desktop I have tested in in LC 9 and had two instances
instances of cameraControls which could preview and recording
simultaneously.

On iOS it appears it is restricted so an app could only access one camera at
a time.  
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39385103/iphone-7-plus-avfoundation-dual-camera/39684655#39684655

I would be interested in finding out if a LiveCode cameraControl instance
can be created on iOS using an external camera.  Has anyone tried that? 
Wonder if you could have an instance with an internal camera and an instance
with an external camera.  

Martin




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From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 30 19:23:44 2018
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 00:23:44 +0000
Subject: multiple cameraControls possible?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1517310007.30066.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1517310007.30066.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <HK2PR03MB1713A075AA0FEC48B54242E7A5FB0@HK2PR03MB1713.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Sean

Thanks for the feedback - ideally it's for all 3 but have been testing it on iOS.

As I said, I can create 2 controls, though only 1 of them is "active" - i.e. updating - at one time. As soon as I delete the 2nd control, the 1st one again becomes active. This is the same whether I use a different camera (front/back) for each or not.

Wonder if Monte has any ideas about this? Does mergAV allow more than 1 control active at a time?

cheers

Alan

> On 30 Jan 2018, at 9:30 pm, <sean at pidigital.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan. Is this for iOS, Android or desktop? Based on the dev api for both
> iOS and Roid it should be possible to access both cameras simultaneously.
> It doesn't appear to be so simple with external cameras. Desktop is a
> different story. Either way, cameraControl would need modifying to enable
> it.
> 
> Sean Cole
> *Pi Digital Productions Ltd*
> www.pidigital.co.uk
> +44(1634)402193
> +44(7702)116447
> 'Don't try to think outside the box. Just remember the truth: There is no
> box!'
> 'For then you realise it is not the box you are trying to look outside of,
> but it is yourself!'
> 
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> Productions Ltd is a UK registered limited company, no. 5255609
> 
> On 30 January 2018 at 01:21, Alan via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've been testing out the cameraControl a bit more and trying to make more
>> than 1 at a time. It is possible but only seems to have one of them active
>> at a time (i.e. updating). Though if the second one is then deleted, the
>> first one becomes active again.
>> 
>> Is it possible to have more than 1 active? i.e. to have both front + rear
>> cameras updating?
>> 
>> Additionally, I have an external (thermal) camera and would like to use
>> that, but it didn't appear in the devices available to the cameraControl. I
>> was assuming it should - is this a bug or just expected? Or do I need to
>> allow access to the external camera for my app perhaps?
>> 
>> Thanks for any help!
>> 
>> cheers
>> 
>> Alan




From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 30 19:27:25 2018
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 00:27:25 +0000
Subject: Treeview widget - setting scroll?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1517310007.30066.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1517310007.30066.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <HK2PR03MB1713FE9A6025E72310D76019A5FB0@HK2PR03MB1713.apcprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Brian

Thanks for the info. I was mostly interested in setting the scroll for using on mobile. Of course on further investigation I also realise we don't have something like the "formattedHeight" of the widget so pretty hard to make an adaptable mobile scroller for it. Or am I missing something basic?

Anyone used the treeview on mobile yet? Can we use a normal mobile scroller with it?

cheers

Alan

> On 30 Jan 2018, at 9:30 pm, <brian at milby7.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Brian Milby <brian at milby7.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Cc: Alan <alanstenhouse at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Treeview widget - setting scroll?
> Message-ID:
> 	<CA+yhkRZpqtt3UbwE-2i1UwcCCDsusYu-zoVsE2y63XdVWTqV6Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> You do not have the ability to get/set a position by line number/position
> percentage but you can get/set the selected line using a path (see the
> dictionary for specifics). It is probably possible to extend the widget to
> get a position, setting would also be possible I imagine.
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 10:23 PM Alan via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is it possible to get and/or set the scroll of a treeview widget?
>> 
>> It doesn't look like it, but perhaps someone has a work-around? Or is
>> there some hidden property perhaps?
>> 
>> Thanks for any pointers!
>> 
>> cheers
>> 
>> Alan




From tom at makeshyft.com  Tue Jan 30 20:03:52 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 20:03:52 -0500
Subject: making DG2 usable
In-Reply-To: <fc4d4c1f-e8c1-1a0a-f7e1-858b34f65a86@fourthworld.com>
References: <fc4d4c1f-e8c1-1a0a-f7e1-858b34f65a86@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLLt7mZgXbkdB+-yH1vMMvwyPpFYdiM5rM_xpTtw5-cLDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Richard did you hear Kevin's interview with Mark during the global
conference? in it he mentioned the difficulties in documenting how the
accelerated rendering works .... so there will be a "debug" mode that helps
developers to visually see what is working with accelerated rendering and
what isn't.

Its not an answer, but its what I know so far.

On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> The new DG2 has some great features, but on my phone its performance makes
> it unusable.  Scrolling is painfully slow, the reordering and deleting slow
> enough to feel wonky.
>
> Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Is there some special combination of
> acceleratedRendering and/or other features I should be setting with the DG?
>
> --
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jan 30 22:07:10 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 19:07:10 -0800
Subject: making DG2 usable
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLLt7mZgXbkdB+-yH1vMMvwyPpFYdiM5rM_xpTtw5-cLDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLLt7mZgXbkdB+-yH1vMMvwyPpFYdiM5rM_xpTtw5-cLDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0314a7eb-576d-a543-f443-59a252255739@fourthworld.com>

Good to hear about anything that improves overall rendering performance.

But as for DG2, am I the only one who finds it too wonky to use?

I hope so.  It's pretty cool, but too stuttery to foist on end-users. 
I'd like to believe it's just something in my setup, and that there's a 
way to use it that's as cool as its feature set.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems


Tom Glod wrote:

> Hey Richard did you hear Kevin's interview with Mark during the global
> conference? in it he mentioned the difficulties in documenting how the
> accelerated rendering works .... so there will be a "debug" mode that helps
> developers to visually see what is working with accelerated rendering and
> what isn't.
> 
> Its not an answer, but its what I know so far.
> 
> On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 11:07 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> The new DG2 has some great features, but on my phone its performance makes
>> it unusable.  Scrolling is painfully slow, the reordering and deleting slow
>> enough to feel wonky.
>>
>> Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Is there some special combination of
>> acceleratedRendering and/or other features I should be setting with the DG?




From monte at appisle.net  Tue Jan 30 22:13:39 2018
From: monte at appisle.net (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:13:39 +1100
Subject: making DG2 usable
In-Reply-To: <0314a7eb-576d-a543-f443-59a252255739@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAPzQJLLt7mZgXbkdB+-yH1vMMvwyPpFYdiM5rM_xpTtw5-cLDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0314a7eb-576d-a543-f443-59a252255739@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <67ED69A5-5794-47A2-9C5D-7F82A6761CA8@appisle.net>



> On 31 Jan 2018, at 2:07 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Good to hear about anything that improves overall rendering performance.
> 
> But as for DG2, am I the only one who finds it too wonky to use?

DG2 is a multi-part project and there?s still some work to be done on the accelerated rendering required so the nested groups in the datagrid are able to use a scrolling layer mode.

Cheers

Monte

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 30 22:18:58 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 22:18:58 -0500
Subject: making DG2 usable
In-Reply-To: <67ED69A5-5794-47A2-9C5D-7F82A6761CA8@appisle.net>
References: <CAPzQJLLt7mZgXbkdB+-yH1vMMvwyPpFYdiM5rM_xpTtw5-cLDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0314a7eb-576d-a543-f443-59a252255739@fourthworld.com>
	<67ED69A5-5794-47A2-9C5D-7F82A6761CA8@appisle.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPvzGCCiOKtq=dB52GC_rFXG3mXCg4j3D+E8v7=0Rxn6w@mail.gmail.com>

So is that an RC1 thing or a 9.1 thing?

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On 31 Jan 2018, at 2:07 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Good to hear about anything that improves overall rendering performance.
> >
> > But as for DG2, am I the only one who finds it too wonky to use?
>
> DG2 is a multi-part project and there?s still some work to be done on the
> accelerated rendering required so the nested groups in the datagrid are
> able to use a scrolling layer mode.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
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And God said, "This is good."


From theaford at btinternet.com  Wed Jan 31 03:18:03 2018
From: theaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 08:18:03 +0000
Subject: DataGrid Horizontal Scrollbar
In-Reply-To: <CAEk4XB5D1isCg9EZ+U1vPzYy6o8Kphhwyq++ww-zmQiJ72imhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8BD2107B-2D3C-4070-A08C-3F7C348D9904@btinternet.com>
	<CAEk4XB5D1isCg9EZ+U1vPzYy6o8Kphhwyq++ww-zmQiJ72imhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <498BA1C7-919A-4FE7-9AD8-B54E64AA100F@btinternet.com>


> On 29 Jan 2018, at 19:29, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> set the disabled of the scrollbar to false once you find the name of it.


Yes, that?s certainly possible but surely defeats the point of the auto setting.


All the best

Terry

From tom at makeshyft.com  Wed Jan 31 10:46:14 2018
From: tom at makeshyft.com (Tom Glod)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:46:14 -0500
Subject: DataGrid Horizontal Scrollbar
In-Reply-To: <498BA1C7-919A-4FE7-9AD8-B54E64AA100F@btinternet.com>
References: <8BD2107B-2D3C-4070-A08C-3F7C348D9904@btinternet.com>
	<CAEk4XB5D1isCg9EZ+U1vPzYy6o8Kphhwyq++ww-zmQiJ72imhg@mail.gmail.com>
	<498BA1C7-919A-4FE7-9AD8-B54E64AA100F@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAPzQJLJJLQSe-aD-R+a1_buquHQ+8oi2_AVXpHSV5EbA4HnNSQ@mail.gmail.com>

i just thought you needed the ability to scroll the header while there is
no data in the grid...... so it doesn't defeat the purpose just over-rides
it .....maybe i mis-understood what you wanted

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 3:18 AM, Terence Heaford via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> > On 29 Jan 2018, at 19:29, Tom Glod via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > set the disabled of the scrollbar to false once you find the name of it.
>
>
> Yes, that?s certainly possible but surely defeats the point of the auto
> setting.
>
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan 31 10:46:12 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:46:12 -0500
Subject: making DG2 usable
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPvzGCCiOKtq=dB52GC_rFXG3mXCg4j3D+E8v7=0Rxn6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPzQJLLt7mZgXbkdB+-yH1vMMvwyPpFYdiM5rM_xpTtw5-cLDQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0314a7eb-576d-a543-f443-59a252255739@fourthworld.com>
	<67ED69A5-5794-47A2-9C5D-7F82A6761CA8@appisle.net>
	<CADCoycPvzGCCiOKtq=dB52GC_rFXG3mXCg4j3D+E8v7=0Rxn6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNcZ=HEkGVCd42r_YgvsXEqCgk8DvpxVkzFyaaN4qo--A@mail.gmail.com>

@Richard have you tried Bernd's modTableField as an alternative?  I'm
deploying it in my second project, and it's pretty darn cool.  And fast.

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> So is that an RC1 thing or a 9.1 thing?
>
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On 31 Jan 2018, at 2:07 pm, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Good to hear about anything that improves overall rendering performance.
>> >
>> > But as for DG2, am I the only one who finds it too wonky to use?
>>
>> DG2 is a multi-part project and there?s still some work to be done on the
>> accelerated rendering required so the nested groups in the datagrid are
>> able to use a scrolling layer mode.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Monte
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>
>
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 31 11:25:00 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 17:25:00 +0100
Subject: post to cgi, JSON in Headers?
Message-ID: <0977D3D7-69D1-43F2-97CD-BF377C4F0226@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

I am scripting a routine to upload a PDF file to a server.
So far, so good-> libURLMultipartFormData() is my friend.

but now the developer of the API send me two TOKENs for authentification and said: 
"...and make sure you're posting the HTTP header data (the tokens) as application/json."
???
Now he is not available for the next hours. :-(

Anyone knows what he is talking about and how I can add this to my scripts?
Thanks a lot in advance!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jan 31 12:07:44 2018
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 09:07:44 -0800
Subject: making DG2 usable
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNcZ=HEkGVCd42r_YgvsXEqCgk8DvpxVkzFyaaN4qo--A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNcZ=HEkGVCd42r_YgvsXEqCgk8DvpxVkzFyaaN4qo--A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b0f61e58-4aaf-f9b3-5d7c-4c2c3e5a9b1e@fourthworld.com>

Mike Kerner wrote:

 > > On 31 Jan 2018, at 2:07 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 > >
 > > But as for DG2, am I the only one who finds it too wonky to use?
 >
 > @Richard have you tried Bernd's modTableField as an alternative?  I'm
 > deploying it in my second project, and it's pretty darn cool.  And
 > fast.

Indeed it is.  Bernd does great work, and his modTableField is no exception.

I used to maintain a similar single-field+header solution before DG1 
premiered, but DG generally does what I need so I stopped working so hard.

The thing with DG2 is that it's nicely designed for mobile use, if only 
the performance was as good as its design.  The delete and re-ordering 
are well thought out, and in theory will be delightful to use.

Monte's note that they're working on it is promising, seems worth 
waiting for.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Jan 31 14:04:14 2018
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:04:14 +0100
Subject: closestackrequest in iOS Simulator
Message-ID: <5BDC7943-9A14-44DD-8816-6C2F1E558281@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

Xcode 9.2, LC 9 dp11 and LC 8.1.9 RC2

Out of a sudden, "closestackrequest" and "closestack" 
do not seem to get sent to the stack in the simulator anymore?

I created a new empty stack with only this stackscript:
-----------------------------------------------------------
on closestackrequest
answer "closestack REQUEST!"
pass closestackrequest
end closestackrequest

on closestack
answer "closestack"
end closestack
-------------------------------------------------------------
I see both dialogs when I close the stack in the IDE, but in the simulator
(iPhone 5s - 11.2) I do not see any dialog when pressing the "Home" button?

What gives? Thanks for any hint.


Best

Klaus

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From theaford at btinternet.com  Wed Jan 31 14:29:30 2018
From: theaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 19:29:30 +0000
Subject: DataGrid Horizontal Scrollbar
In-Reply-To: <CAPzQJLJJLQSe-aD-R+a1_buquHQ+8oi2_AVXpHSV5EbA4HnNSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8BD2107B-2D3C-4070-A08C-3F7C348D9904@btinternet.com>
	<CAEk4XB5D1isCg9EZ+U1vPzYy6o8Kphhwyq++ww-zmQiJ72imhg@mail.gmail.com>
	<498BA1C7-919A-4FE7-9AD8-B54E64AA100F@btinternet.com>
	<CAPzQJLJJLQSe-aD-R+a1_buquHQ+8oi2_AVXpHSV5EbA4HnNSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38687181-46FE-430E-B8BF-661D9F5C96CD@btinternet.com>


> On 31 Jan 2018, at 15:46, Tom Glod via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> i just thought you needed the ability to scroll the header while there is
> no data in the grid...... so it doesn't defeat the purpose just over-rides
> it .....maybe i mis-understood what you wanted



I just thought the correct way for this to work (auto with the horizontal scrollbar) should depend
on the width of the header rather than whether the table contains data and the width of the header.


Thanks

Terry

From pystcat at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 16:01:28 2018
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 16:01:28 -0500
Subject: making DG2 usable
In-Reply-To: <b0f61e58-4aaf-f9b3-5d7c-4c2c3e5a9b1e@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycNcZ=HEkGVCd42r_YgvsXEqCgk8DvpxVkzFyaaN4qo--A@mail.gmail.com>
	<b0f61e58-4aaf-f9b3-5d7c-4c2c3e5a9b1e@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A5AF683B-D0E7-4104-A256-8C20FA1A7071@gmail.com>

Is it possible get the demo file the Mothership did in the email that showed off the new features..?  I would love to see that.

> On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Mike Kerner wrote:
> 
> > > On 31 Jan 2018, at 2:07 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> > >
> > > But as for DG2, am I the only one who finds it too wonky to use?
> >
> > @Richard have you tried Bernd's modTableField as an alternative?  I'm
> > deploying it in my second project, and it's pretty darn cool.  And
> > fast.
> 
> Indeed it is.  Bernd does great work, and his modTableField is no exception.
> 
> I used to maintain a similar single-field+header solution before DG1 premiered, but DG generally does what I need so I stopped working so hard.
> 
> The thing with DG2 is that it's nicely designed for mobile use, if only the performance was as good as its design.  The delete and re-ordering are well thought out, and in theory will be delightful to use.
> 
> Monte's note that they're working on it is promising, seems worth waiting for.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> 
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan 31 16:29:16 2018
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 16:29:16 -0500
Subject: making DG2 usable
In-Reply-To: <A5AF683B-D0E7-4104-A256-8C20FA1A7071@gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNcZ=HEkGVCd42r_YgvsXEqCgk8DvpxVkzFyaaN4qo--A@mail.gmail.com>
	<b0f61e58-4aaf-f9b3-5d7c-4c2c3e5a9b1e@fourthworld.com>
	<A5AF683B-D0E7-4104-A256-8C20FA1A7071@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNBeSMQRwdpYoQMJXPjz2-Xer651nSVmymkYgqy1aj3sQ@mail.gmail.com>

Was it a file?  I don't remember seeing a file.  I just remember the webex
session.

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:01 PM, PystCat via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Is it possible get the demo file the Mothership did in the email that
> showed off the new features..?  I would love to see that.
>
> > On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mike Kerner wrote:
> >
> > > > On 31 Jan 2018, at 2:07 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > But as for DG2, am I the only one who finds it too wonky to use?
> > >
> > > @Richard have you tried Bernd's modTableField as an alternative?  I'm
> > > deploying it in my second project, and it's pretty darn cool.  And
> > > fast.
> >
> > Indeed it is.  Bernd does great work, and his modTableField is no
> exception.
> >
> > I used to maintain a similar single-field+header solution before DG1
> premiered, but DG generally does what I need so I stopped working so hard.
> >
> > The thing with DG2 is that it's nicely designed for mobile use, if only
> the performance was as good as its design.  The delete and re-ordering are
> well thought out, and in theory will be delightful to use.
> >
> > Monte's note that they're working on it is promising, seems worth
> waiting for.
> >
> > --
> > Richard Gaskin
> > Fourth World Systems
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From pystcat at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 16:32:14 2018
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 16:32:14 -0500
Subject: making DG2 usable
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNBeSMQRwdpYoQMJXPjz2-Xer651nSVmymkYgqy1aj3sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNcZ=HEkGVCd42r_YgvsXEqCgk8DvpxVkzFyaaN4qo--A@mail.gmail.com>
	<b0f61e58-4aaf-f9b3-5d7c-4c2c3e5a9b1e@fourthworld.com>
	<A5AF683B-D0E7-4104-A256-8C20FA1A7071@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycNBeSMQRwdpYoQMJXPjz2-Xer651nSVmymkYgqy1aj3sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D266C09D-6544-4729-BFC2-83ABA265BCCE@gmail.com>

It was an email announcing some of the new features and it showed a web clip of it in action.  It was WAY cool showing the drag and sort along with the swipe to delete? AND this was on a desktop.

> On Jan 31, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Was it a file?  I don't remember seeing a file.  I just remember the webex
> session.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:01 PM, PystCat via use-livecode <
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is it possible get the demo file the Mothership did in the email that
>> showed off the new features..?  I would love to see that.
>> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mike Kerner wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> On 31 Jan 2018, at 2:07 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> But as for DG2, am I the only one who finds it too wonky to use?
>>>> 
>>>> @Richard have you tried Bernd's modTableField as an alternative?  I'm
>>>> deploying it in my second project, and it's pretty darn cool.  And
>>>> fast.
>>> 
>>> Indeed it is.  Bernd does great work, and his modTableField is no
>> exception.
>>> 
>>> I used to maintain a similar single-field+header solution before DG1
>> premiered, but DG generally does what I need so I stopped working so hard.
>>> 
>>> The thing with DG2 is that it's nicely designed for mobile use, if only
>> the performance was as good as its design.  The delete and re-ordering are
>> well thought out, and in theory will be delightful to use.
>>> 
>>> Monte's note that they're working on it is promising, seems worth
>> waiting for.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Systems
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 17:38:27 2018
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 23:38:27 +0100
Subject: making DG2 usable
In-Reply-To: <D266C09D-6544-4729-BFC2-83ABA265BCCE@gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycNcZ=HEkGVCd42r_YgvsXEqCgk8DvpxVkzFyaaN4qo--A@mail.gmail.com>
	<b0f61e58-4aaf-f9b3-5d7c-4c2c3e5a9b1e@fourthworld.com>
	<A5AF683B-D0E7-4104-A256-8C20FA1A7071@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycNBeSMQRwdpYoQMJXPjz2-Xer651nSVmymkYgqy1aj3sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D266C09D-6544-4729-BFC2-83ABA265BCCE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDq-YYTgB0g9oRpuK3VqL_BZYdNj-uaiWzrAaBSC4wVK=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know, but you can create quickly and easily something similar,
for a test.

1. Create a new datagrid form

2. Populate it with some data, by using the inspector

3. By adding this script in a button, turn the datagrid in edit mode.

set the dgEditMode of grp "datagrid 1" to true

4. You can disable / enable the animation by using the "animate
actions" property:

set the dgProps["animate actions"] of grp "datagrid 1" to false

5. And the property "enable swipe" will give you the possibility to
turn on / off the swipe gesture.

set the dgProps["enable swipe"] of grp "datagrid 1" to false

On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:32 PM, PystCat via use-livecode
<use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> It was an email announcing some of the new features and it showed a web clip of it in action.  It was WAY cool showing the drag and sort along with the swipe to delete? AND this was on a desktop.
>
>> On Jan 31, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Was it a file?  I don't remember seeing a file.  I just remember the webex
>> session.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:01 PM, PystCat via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is it possible get the demo file the Mothership did in the email that
>>> showed off the new features..?  I would love to see that.
>>>
>>>> On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mike Kerner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> On 31 Jan 2018, at 2:07 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But as for DG2, am I the only one who finds it too wonky to use?
>>>>>
>>>>> @Richard have you tried Bernd's modTableField as an alternative?  I'm
>>>>> deploying it in my second project, and it's pretty darn cool.  And
>>>>> fast.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed it is.  Bernd does great work, and his modTableField is no
>>> exception.
>>>>
>>>> I used to maintain a similar single-field+header solution before DG1
>>> premiered, but DG generally does what I need so I stopped working so hard.
>>>>
>>>> The thing with DG2 is that it's nicely designed for mobile use, if only
>>> the performance was as good as its design.  The delete and re-ordering are
>>> well thought out, and in theory will be delightful to use.
>>>>
>>>> Monte's note that they're working on it is promising, seems worth
>>> waiting for.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Richard Gaskin
>>>> Fourth World Systems
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>   and did a little diving.
>> And God said, "This is good."
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 17:56:44 2018
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:56:44 -0800
Subject: Navigator update: better conversion to behaviors, better property
	editing, better version control, and send to private commands
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpjGHtpqPfhJFAUZm453nk+nPGtVG88ABM4RSTj4=dbPQ@mail.gmail.com>

I updated the 5.1 alpha of Navigator. You can download Navigator 5 here
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/bcqxxriwzzjcm45/navigator_5.zip?dl=1>. The full
documentation is here
<https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-documentation/#updates-for-5.0>,
and there is a description in detail of how conversion to script-only stack
behaviors works here
<https://gcanyon.wordpress.com/navigator-convert-to-behaviors-details/>.

New features:

 -- Use your own naming convention for script-only stack files. Whatever
you can do in a line of LC script, you can use to name your stacks.
 -- A "Restore from Behaviors" command. This will do unhelpful things
(duplicate
scripts) for complex, chained behaviors, but I've used it about half a
dozen times with Navigator to restore and re-export Navigator's code using
the new naming feature.
 -- The Custom Properties menu now supports deleting properties and
property sets.
 -- The Property Editor now supports custom properties.
 -- The Property Editor now highlights values that aren't the same for all
the controls selected.
 -- The Property Editor now has a popup menu that displays each of the
values for the property for the selected controls -- these two make finding
and syncing discrepancies easy.
 -- The contextual menu for stacks now supports updating all script-only
stacks from disk, making it unnecessary to quit and restart LiveCode after
changing branches in source control.
 -- The Scripts menu now supports sending to private commands and functions
for testing.


From niconiko at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 18:23:32 2018
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:23:32 +0900
Subject: discrepancy between official device metric and LC stack size
Message-ID: <CAGeTkxkiWN4fdOOG3t+j2fsTj9cUC-H98pHwDVMxdarcpDWVgQ@mail.gmail.com>

I test my mobile stacks on a Nexus 5, and, in portrait orientation, many
bottom pixels are offscreen, even though for width and height I follow
exactly the numbers given in dp at the website Device Metrics
<https://material.io/devices/> .

Why is it cut off? And how can I avoid this? Is there an LC keyword, like
"effective" or "working", that I should be including.... if so, how?

Thanks.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jan 31 19:16:27 2018
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 00:16:27 +0000
Subject: post to cgi, JSON in Headers?
In-Reply-To: <0977D3D7-69D1-43F2-97CD-BF377C4F0226@major-k.de>
References: <0977D3D7-69D1-43F2-97CD-BF377C4F0226@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <526EAAAF-F19D-4EBD-B041-383157B6285A@iotecdigital.com>

As a file, or to a SQL database? I successfully store PDFs in a mySQL database as large blobs. For PDFs that are not large, a medium BLOB would probably be fine. I open the PDF for binary read, then read until EOF. But my PDFs are one or at most two page fillable forms. 

Bob S


> On Jan 31, 2018, at 08:25 , Klaus major-k via use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> I am scripting a routine to upload a PDF file to a server.
> So far, so good-> libURLMultipartFormData() is my friend.
> 
> but now the developer of the API send me two TOKENs for authentification and said: 
> "...and make sure you're posting the HTTP header data (the tokens) as application/json."
> ???
> Now he is not available for the next hours. :-(
> 
> Anyone knows what he is talking about and how I can add this to my scripts?
> Thanks a lot in advance!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major




From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Jan 31 20:18:51 2018
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:18:51 -0500
Subject: discrepancy between official device metric and LC stack size
In-Reply-To: <CAGeTkxkiWN4fdOOG3t+j2fsTj9cUC-H98pHwDVMxdarcpDWVgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGeTkxkiWN4fdOOG3t+j2fsTj9cUC-H98pHwDVMxdarcpDWVgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01d39afa$a19d2bd0$e4d78370$@net>

Nicolas,

Does that device have "old hardware keys" soft buttons on the bottom? On
some devices this is shown if the manifest does not include some key that
says your app no longer needs the "old hardware keys". Android has been
phasing the hardware keys out. Setting this key in the manifests not an
option on the Android standalone setting. Looking at my code I see I use
"the rect of this card" to account for the soft keys but not the keyboard.
To account for the keyboard and soft "old hardware keys":

put 0 into tLeft

put 0 into tTop

put item 3 of the effective working screenrect - item 1 of the effective
working screenrect into tRight

put item 4 of the effective working screenrect - item 2 of the effective
working screenrect into tBottom

This has been working for me on both iOS and Android.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
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Of Nicolas Cueto via use-livecode
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:24 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Nicolas Cueto
Subject: discrepancy between official device metric and LC stack size

I test my mobile stacks on a Nexus 5, and, in portrait orientation, many
bottom pixels are offscreen, even though for width and height I follow
exactly the numbers given in dp at the website Device Metrics
<https://material.io/devices/> .

Why is it cut off? And how can I avoid this? Is there an LC keyword, like
"effective" or "working", that I should be including.... if so, how?

Thanks.

--
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From dfepstein at comcast.net  Wed Jan 31 20:31:11 2018
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:31:11 -0500
Subject: FormattedHeight of a field and its contents
Message-ID: <78577703-BF0D-444F-B987-557A2ED41891@comcast.net>

Is there somewhere an explanation of how a field?s textSize, borderWidth, margins, and formattedHeight interact?  

According to the dictionary entry for ?formattedHeight?, a field?s formattedHeight is calculated ?including top and bottom margins?, while the formattedHeight of a chunk is calculated ?disregarding margins.?

That does not seem consistent with these results for a field whose textSize is 16 and whose margin is 4:

the formattedHeight of line 1 of fld 1                 19
the formattedHeight of line 1 to 2 of fld 1          38
the formattedHeight of fld 1                               15  if there?s one line of text
the formattedHeight of fld 1                               34  if there are two lines of text.

Even though there are top and bottom margins of 4, the field?s formattedHeight is smaller, rather than larger, than the formattedHeight of its contents.

A perhaps related question:  Why does a field margin of zero clip the visible text at the top and left?

Many thanks.

David Epstein