non-blocking http ... will tsnet end up in community?

Tom Glod tom at makeshyft.com
Tue Dec 19 21:50:11 EST 2017


Hi Alex, thats interesting  thanks for that bit of information.  I'm going
to have to educate myself on this some more, maybe take a moment and write
to kevin to find out from the boss.

Cheers

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I think that, unfortunately, it's not going to be possible.
>
> I am 99% sure that I remember, either in the initial announcement or
> closely related to it, that Kevin mentioned that they (Livecode Ltd) pay a
> per-user (i.e. per-licence) fee to the third party for each tsNet - which
> means they have no way to be able to release it under the Community
> agreements.
>
> Alex.
>
>
>
> On 19/12/2017 20:13, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>
>> Hi Matthias... thank you for your thoughts.
>>
>> I think my post was less about my own needs for that feature .... but in
>> general I'm seeing that Web API's are getting more and more capable and
>> will be more and more used by developers going forward.  So being unable
>> to
>> send more than one asyncronoys request to the same server is highly
>> limiting.
>>
>> So if livecode has any hope that their platform will ever be used for a
>> serious and extensive open source project, this is a deal breaker.
>>
>> As for me, I think I can work around this for my needs. .... for now.
>> Like
>> I said, I have no choice in using the community version, so I'm not
>> conflicted as to what to do .... just gotta go forward.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts and Cheers,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:45 AM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tom, please excuse for using the wrong name.
>>>
>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>>
>>> Am 19.12.2017 um 13:13 schrieb Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode <
>>>>
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>:
>>>
>>>> Todd,
>>>> i understand your desire to have such a feature in the Community
>>>>
>>> Edition, but I don´t think this will happen in near future.
>>>
>>>> If i understood correctly then tsNET is a 3rd party product which
>>>>
>>> Livecode Ltd. has acquired or however this is called. So they have paid
>>> money for that.
>>>
>>>> The tsNet external is really a big win for us and i think it is just
>>>>
>>> fair that this is only included in the commercial licenses.
>>>
>>>> Why? Because there must be a difference between a free license and a
>>>>
>>> paid license otherwise everyone would use the free one.
>>>
>>>> And there must be  a feature difference between different Indy and
>>>>
>>> Business license t for the same reason.
>>>
>>>> Btw. Xojo does it the same.  The more you pay, the more you´ll get. With
>>>>
>>> one exception, they are not offering a free version.
>>>
>>>> LibURL does and did its job more or less well for years. So at least
>>>>
>>> there is the possibility to do asnynchronous operations.
>>>
>>>> Although i am a 1-man company and my revenues are less than $500,000 a
>>>>
>>> year and although i have a lifetime Indy license  i
>>>
>>>> have subscribed for a business license just because of its features and
>>>>
>>> the possibility to get priority support if ever needed.
>>>
>>>> The indy license btw.allows only 1 seat per organisation. A Seat
>>>>
>>> (regardless if Indy or Business) are for one named developer and
>>>
>>>> cannot be shared. If you need more seats you have to purchase a business
>>>>
>>> license with the appropriate number of seats.
>>>
>>>> It seems not all customers are/were aware of these terms in the past.
>>>>
>>> Otherwise Livecode Ltd. would not have sent out an email in October to
>>> all
>>>
>>>> Indy/Business customers with some information about the license terms
>>>>
>>> and the requirement to sign a digital license agreement.
>>>
>>>> What i would vote for is to add SFTP (synchronous) feature to the
>>>>
>>> Community Edition to allow secure FTP transfers.
>>>
>>>> Matthias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 19.12.2017 um 00:50 schrieb Tom Glod via use-livecode <
>>>>>
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I use the Community version for project, and recently I've been working
>>>>> with the LibURL Library to get some asynchronous server client
>>>>> communication going ...and if you've ever worked with that ...... its
>>>>>
>>>> clear
>>>
>>>> there is much room for improvement there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though I have no choice what version to use, so I can only wait in
>>>>> patience, but I think for the long term health of the platform and to
>>>>>
>>>> give
>>>
>>>> it the modern robustness it needs, the tsnet library is going to have to
>>>>> become part of the community version.  Otherwise it will always lag
>>>>>
>>>> behind
>>>
>>>> from being able to use modern internet APIs in combination.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this something we would have to crowd fund?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there anything legally preventing that from happening?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any thoughts
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