LC Server style survey: co-mingle code w/HTML?

Simon Smith hello at simonsmith.co
Tue Dec 5 19:22:01 EST 2017


Personally I do prefer to mix HTML / code together.

I don't think it right to say it is a PHP way to do things though :) -  PHP
does not encourage one to go this route for what I think is usually called
spaghetti code.

While some platforms, like WordPress have done quiet a bit to encourage
this style of coding with it's plugins and theme development  - there are
many PHP developers who are very public in their dislike for such
"barbaric" coding practices and also numerous frameworks that don't
support/encourage mixing html/php either.

Personally I think it is one of the reasons that lead to the popularity of
WordPress as it makes certain tasks very easy to, even if you don't have
much coding experience.

Yes it does depend on what I am doing, but for the most part, I don't have
any issues mixing code and HTML together.




Carpe diem

*Simon Smith*
m. +27 83 306 7862

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I have some tools I developed for server apps, which allow me to develop
> and test both client and server within the same local LC IDE instance. As
> you can imagine, this has improved development efficiency by orders of
> magnitude.
>
> It's much a much more xTalk-like way of working, and once you use it
> having to be tied to a server for every little test feels like building a
> ship in a bottle with tweezers while wearing a blindfold.
>
> When I started making these tools I was using standalones exclusively for
> server work, partly because it reflects my habits gained from using LC as a
> CGI for many years before LC Server existed, and partly because I have no
> need to co-mingle code in HTML like PHP does, except a few cases where the
> merge function works quite nicely.
>
> Thinking about this more recently, it seems these tools need not be
> limited to server deployments using standalones, and may be modified to
> provide the same server emulation for deployments that will use LC Server.
>
> However, because the desktop version of LC has no means of executing LC
> Server scripts (due to the HTML wrapped around any code), the ability to
> enjoy such a fluid workflow is limited to those server apps where the .lc
> scripts contain only directives to load standard LC Script libraries.
>
> That limitation fits my own work, including current work for one client.
> But does it fit yours?
>
> How many of you using LC Server rely on its PHP-like model that encourages
> mixing HTML with LC code?
>
> Or maybe the better question might be:
>
> How many of you have server systems that already separate HTML from server
> code like most non-PHP solutions do, or could affordably transition to that
> model if it could simplify your development workflow significantly?
>
> Side question for the dev team if they see this:
>
> Would it be reasonable/affordable to add some means of enhancing desktop
> LC so that it can at least parse and attempt to execute LC scripts embedded
> in HTML?  I can emulate environment variables and the like, but the
> incompatibility between LC and .lc has been a real development bottleneck.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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