Livecode Content Management System
david.bovill at gmail.com
Fri Dec 1 10:28:26 EST 2017
I code in LC and use the debugger testing revIgnitor controllers locally,
then upload them to the revIgniter site to test remotely. This happens all
within the script editor. I use stacks as libraries both locally and with
revIgnitor. That way I feel you get the best of both worlds. It works by
using a two way mapping between the revIgnitor controller and a Livecode
stack that is dynamically created from the controller.
What I’d be interested in is adding to this static site generation and
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 at 15:14, Robert Brenstein via use-livecode <
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> I have been using LC to generate complete websites but I use LC only as
> a generator of HTML pages from data files and database content, using
> CSS for theming and HTML hierarchical template files that call LC
> functions through merge. I believe that Richard Gaskin is still selling
> a commercial product that does this in a more generic way.
> I have been thinking for a while to convert my setup into a more proper
> CMS but gave up at the planning stage once I realized how much effort
> that is. I also started playing with revIgniter and am really impressed
> with what it offers, but I came to a similar conclusion like you.
> I actually had a real CMS developed in MetaCard years ago. It was
> developed as a special-purpose product for a client and not a generic
> CMS. It broke because at the time I did not use proper modularizing and
> abstraction layers and keeping it compatible with the database engine
> became impossible at some point.
> BTW, wasn’t there a commercial CMS produced in LC (or whatever it was
> called at the time)? I think its name was Hemingway or sth like that.
> On 1 Dec 2017, at 2:56, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > I'm looking for (initial) interest, previous experience, comments,
> > etc.
> > Every few [ = 4 to 8] months for the last few [= 2 to 3] years, I've
> > been either building a new website for someone, or making significant
> > changes/enhancements to an existing one. Almost every time, unless the
> > changes are very small, I've decided that I really *should* convert it
> > to use a 'proper' CMS - e.g. Wordpress.
> > And I've tried - but every time I've foundered on not being able to
> > get the site to be what I want, or realizing (believing?) that to do
> > what I want requires real development skills within WP - and therefore
> > too much of a learning curve and/or too much PHP. Or, I've decided
> > that to make it a bearable experience I need to use multiple add-ons
> > (plugins, themes, etc.) and then found that the plugins I spent hours
> > investigating and choosing were incompatible. Or were just not well
> > enough documented.
> > [ I won't tell you how often I've found a (video) tutorial, wasted an
> > entire hour or more watching it - then realized that it was for an
> > out-of-date version of the plugin, or an old version of Wordpress, and
> > that all the helpful screenshots showed me how to modify settings /
> > actions that didn't exist, or had no obvious equivalent, in the
> > current versions. ]
> > Twice, having run into brick walls with Wordpress, I've tried other
> > CMSs (Concrete5 and ??Dolphin??) with similar results - poor /
> > out-of-date docs have left me stranded - 80% of the way towards doing
> > what I wanted and unable to get any further.
> > So in every case until now, I've given up, made tweaks / extensions to
> > my own "home-grown" web site tool(s), and - so far - completed my
> > enhancements in less time than I had wasted trying the "real" CMS.
> > I put that down to:
> > - the power of Livecode
> > - the power of revIgniter (thank you ! again, Ralf)
> > - my impatience in trying to learn new tools
> > But now I have a new, bigger opportunity / challenge - I've been asked
> > to build a web site (actually two unrelated web sites) which are
> > bigger and more complex, and for which I absolutely do not want to
> > become the de facto on-going (content) maintainer.
> > So, I've decided to build LCMS - a Livecode Content Management System.
> > It will be (very loosely) based on what I think are the useful ideas
> > in Wordpress (but without any tendency towards blogs). It will be
> > relatively simple.
> > It won't be:
> > - smooth, slick and all-powerful like WP
> > - able to support (initially, and for some time) real independent
> > development of themes, plugins, auto-loading and updating, etc. etc.
> > (yada, yada, yada ...) - that might be done in a few [= 2 to 20 years]
> > It will be :
> > - based on Livecode (and extensible in LC)
> > - (I hope) simple and easy (for a LC developer) to understand, use
> > and extend
> > - complete with at least one complete theme (based on Botstrap)
> > - (at some point) open source, on github, etc. under MIT liceense
> > - documented in some old-fashioned way (i.e. written, searchable,
> > skimmable tutorials - few or no Youtube videos to waste your time)
> > OK - enough of the advertising pitch :-)
> > Here are the requests for input ....
> > 1. has anyone tried this before ? and did you succeed ? or why did
> > you stop ? any foreseeable problems to contend with ?
> > 2. am I just tilting at windmills and I should just go back to
> > studying WP and its plugins ?
> > 3. the current prototype is based on (or rather 'is written over'
> > revIgniter).
> > I have very conflicting opinions of revIgniter
> > + it's wonderful, it has a huge quantity of things it "just
> > does" (in a well documented, well tested, etc. way) so that I don't
> > need to think or learn about them, etc. - I love it.
> > - (a) it is intimately tied to LC server, with heavy dependency
> > on 'include' so it's impossible to (as I would want to do) test 99% of
> > my code in the IDE, with debugging etc. help.
> > - (b) I *really* dislike the "rigLoadView" scheme - it forces
> > (or seems to force) far too much co-mingling of code and content
> > within the view files, and has no clear way to use "themes"
> > The current version of LCMS simply ignores the 'View' (and 'Model')
> > part of revIgniter, and generates all its output based on ''pages'
> > and 'themes' (and 'menus') - but it sill benefits from all the other
> > parts of revIgniter).
> > do you think it would be worth the (considerable) effort needed to
> > remove the dependency on rvIgniter in the hope of benefiting from the
> > reduced complexity, hopefully lower overhead, easier debugging a
> > higher percentage within the Ide, etc. ?
> > Thanks for any suggestions, input, etc.
> > Alex.
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