Livecode Content Management System

David Bovill david.bovill at
Fri Dec 1 06:29:08 EST 2017

Hi Alex, I'm working on this too in the coming weeks. I'd be happy to work
on it with you if it were on GitHub. I'm working on the following aspects:

   1. Static site generation and integration with relevant tool chains
   2. Integration with revIgniter
   3. Docker based hosting infrastructure

On 1 December 2017 at 01:56, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode <
use-livecode at> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I'm looking for (initial) interest, previous experience, comments, etc.
> Every few [ = 4 to 8] months for the last few [= 2 to 3] years, I've been
> either building a new website for someone, or making significant
> changes/enhancements to an existing one. Almost every time, unless the
> changes are very small, I've decided that I really *should* convert it to
> use a 'proper' CMS - e.g. Wordpress.
> And I've tried - but every time I've foundered on not being able to get
> the site to be what I want, or realizing (believing?) that to do what I
> want requires real development skills within WP - and therefore too much of
> a learning curve and/or too much PHP.  Or, I've decided that to make it a
> bearable experience I need to use multiple add-ons (plugins, themes, etc.)
> and then found that the plugins I spent hours investigating and choosing
> were incompatible. Or were just not well enough documented.
> [ I won't tell you how often I've found a (video) tutorial, wasted an
> entire hour or more watching it - then realized that it was for an
> out-of-date version of the plugin, or an old version of Wordpress, and that
> all the helpful screenshots showed me how to modify settings / actions that
> didn't exist, or had no obvious equivalent, in the current versions. ]
> Twice, having run into brick walls with Wordpress, I've tried other CMSs
> (Concrete5 and ??Dolphin??) with similar results - poor / out-of-date docs
> have left me stranded - 80% of the way towards doing what I wanted and
> unable to get any further.
> So in every case until now, I've given up, made tweaks / extensions to my
> own "home-grown" web site tool(s), and - so far - completed my enhancements
> in less time than I had wasted trying the "real" CMS.
> I put that down to:
>  - the power of Livecode
>  - the power of revIgniter  (thank you ! again, Ralf)
>  - my impatience in trying to learn new tools
> But now I have a new, bigger opportunity / challenge - I've been asked to
> build a web site (actually two unrelated web sites) which are bigger and
> more complex, and for which I absolutely do not want to become the de facto
> on-going (content) maintainer.
> So, I've decided to build LCMS - a Livecode Content Management System.
> It will be (very loosely) based on what I think are the useful ideas in
> Wordpress (but without any tendency towards blogs). It will be relatively
> simple.
> It won't be:
>  - smooth, slick and all-powerful like WP
>  - able to support (initially, and for some time) real independent
> development of themes, plugins, auto-loading and updating, etc. etc. (yada,
> yada, yada ...) - that might be done in a few [= 2 to 20 years]
> It will be :
>  - based on Livecode (and extensible in LC)
>  - (I hope) simple and easy (for a LC developer) to understand, use and
> extend
>  - complete with at least one complete theme (based on Botstrap)
>  - (at some point) open source, on github, etc. under MIT liceense
>  - documented in some old-fashioned way (i.e. written, searchable,
> skimmable tutorials - few or no Youtube videos to waste your time)
> OK - enough of the advertising pitch :-)
> Here are the requests for input ....
> 1.  has anyone tried this before ? and did you succeed ?  or why did you
> stop ? any foreseeable problems to contend with ?
> 2. am I just tilting at windmills and I should just go back to studying WP
> and its plugins ?
> 3. the current prototype is based on (or rather 'is written over'
> revIgniter).
> I have very conflicting opinions of revIgniter
>     + it's wonderful, it has a huge quantity of things it "just does" (in
> a well documented, well tested, etc. way)  so that I don't need to think or
> learn about them, etc. - I love it.
>     - (a) it is intimately tied to LC server, with heavy dependency on
> 'include' so it's impossible to (as I would want to do) test 99% of my code
> in the IDE, with debugging etc. help.
>     - (b) I *really* dislike the "rigLoadView" scheme - it forces (or
> seems to force) far too much co-mingling of code and content within the
> view files, and has no clear way to use "themes"
> The current version of LCMS simply ignores the 'View' (and 'Model') part
> of revIgniter, and generates all its output based on  ''pages' and
> 'themes'  (and 'menus') - but it sill benefits from all the other parts of
> revIgniter).
> do you think it would be worth the (considerable) effort needed to remove
> the dependency on rvIgniter in the hope of benefiting from the reduced
> complexity, hopefully lower overhead, easier debugging a higher percentage
> within the Ide, etc. ?
> Thanks for any suggestions, input, etc.
> Alex.
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