From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 05:44:06 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:44:06 +0800
Subject: How to Teach Coding
In-Reply-To: <5592E358.2080502@pdslabs.net>
References: <9dfca3dd1bc609e4d1878faf17fd86c2.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
	<14e4581b34a-287b-2aed1@webprd-m50.mail.aol.com>
	<5592D913.10208@pdslabs.net> <5592E358.2080502@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khnAJ26LWm_LiP7=_F2C5rMRrLLoXNS0O-AdiUm0Fmesw@mail.gmail.com>

My children give me feedback on my failures all the time ;-( But I think
you are right, Richmond's are very effective. Well done Richmond, my wife
(a professional educator) would support you 100%; your devotion to teaching
and focusing on the children, not the content, is to be commended. Those
children don't know how lucky they are.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Richmond, I love your "feedback loop" with the kids correcting your coding
> - brilliant! And most certainly effective.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> On 6/30/15 10:59 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> A while back, I took Larry Walker's "follow me" approach with two of my
>> grandsons (ages 6 and 7 at the time):
>>
>> http://www.philofwestlinn.com/2013/11/17/follow-me-programming/
>>     http://www.philofwestlinn.com/2013/12/04/our-time-machine-app/
>>
>> They loved it! Of course I had the luxury (and challenge) of working with
>> them at their kitchen table.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/15 10:26 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>
>>> A nice thing you are doing.
>>>
>>>
>>> I take a slightly different approach. I put a few controls on the
>>> screen, and then move the mouse around, asking what sort of things (events)
>>> might be occurring. Nobody gets what I mean at first, until I explain that
>>> I am sending messages to the machine when, say, I simply move the cursor
>>> (mouseMove).
>>>
>>>
>>> Most will see that something happens when I click the mouse, and if I
>>> say that the machine "knows" where a button is, it also knows when the
>>> cursor crosses that threshold (mouseEnter). From there I get several
>>> responses, like when the mouse leaves. Nobody ever gets "mouseStillDown">
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, from there I can start to show how if I send a message, I can
>>> trap a message, and the rest is easy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, not necessarily easy...
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig Newman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jana Doughty <jana.doughty at livecode.com>
>>> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2015 11:15 am
>>> Subject: How to Teach Coding
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi LiveCode Community,
>>>
>>> Hope you're well and having a good week so far. We
>>> have a great blog post
>>> from our very own Richmond Mathewson on the blog today.
>>> He tells us about
>>> how he's teaching kids to code this
>>> summer:
>>>
>>> http://livecode.com/how-to-teach-coding/
>>>
>>> Check it out and tell
>>> Richmond how great he is!
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Jana
>>> Doughty
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul  1 06:13:15 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:13:15 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

it seems i am doing something wrong.
I copied the file to the plugins folder and i can see my iOS device in the LC ide under Development->Test target.
I selected the device, but pressing the Test button only let me select a folder where the standalone shall be saved.
The standalone is saved in the selected folder, but nothing is installed on my iPhone.

So what am i doing wrong? 

Regards,

Matthias

> Am 30.06.2015 um 06:50 schrieb Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>:
> 
> Hi LiveCoders
> 
> One thing I?ve wanted for a long time is for the Test button to deploy to iOS devices in the same way that it does on Android. mergTestApp was part of the way there but I?ve gone the rest of the way with a new plugin called mergDeploy. Just install the stack and associated external in your plugins folder and LiveCode will recognise when you plugin an iOS device and list it in the Test Targets submenu. You can then click the Test button and it will install onto your device. Great for rapidly testing on a device where it counts.
> 
> This new plugin is available from mergExt.com <http://mergext.com/> for $9 or bundled in mergExt Complete which is now $940 worth of products for $299.
> 
> See http://mergext.com/plugins/mergdeploy/ <http://mergext.com/plugins/mergdeploy/> for more info.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
> --
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> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Jul  1 06:17:52 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 20:17:52 +1000
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
	<A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <BE44F63D-D64D-45A4-87F2-89A5F2CC54EA@sweattechnologies.com>


> On 1 Jul 2015, at 8:13 pm, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> 
> So what am i doing wrong? 

That?s a good question. Do you have the provisioning profile set correctly?

Cheers

Monte

--
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Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul  1 06:31:41 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:31:41 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <BE44F63D-D64D-45A4-87F2-89A5F2CC54EA@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
	<A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>
	<BE44F63D-D64D-45A4-87F2-89A5F2CC54EA@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <8AE9DB66-1BA5-4D8A-8369-29A9B022CA81@m-r-d.de>

Monte,

thanks that was it. Had still the distribution profile set.

Seems i had too little sleep.

This tool is really a time saver.

And even if i repeat here like a mantra from time to time, but subscribing to your mergExt suite was one of the best decisions I?ve made.

Regards,

Matthias

> Am 01.07.2015 um 12:17 schrieb Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>:
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jul 2015, at 8:13 pm, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
>> 
>> So what am i doing wrong? 
> 
> That?s a good question. Do you have the provisioning profile set correctly?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
> --
> M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/> 
> Software development services
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> 
> mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!
> 
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From dvglasgow at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 08:16:45 2015
From: dvglasgow at gmail.com (David V Glasgow)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 13:16:45 +0100
Subject: Revmail problems on Windows 8
Message-ID: <28A5E603-72F1-4209-8125-645E44E6DA4C@gmail.com>

I originally sent this a couple of days ago, but it has never appeared on the list.  Apologies if it ends up a double post?.


Based on the advice received when I posted this issue, I checked the result immediately after the revmail line was executed.

Interestingly, the result-put line was not executed where revmail failed.  Where it succeeded, in dev and on mac it was executed and the result was empty.  So it seems clear there is a problem, but sadly I have no specific error to report because when it arises, the script terminates.

The good news is that using the launch url workaround recommended by Richard (below) worked fine.  So anyone encountering the same issue can take this route.  Thanks Richard.

Why Revmail should fail in the way I have described is beyond me.  Maybe brighter coders can take it from here.


> On 21 Jun 2015, at 3:15 pm, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com <mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:
> 
> One simple workaround is to just use "mailto:" directly with "launch url:", e.g.:
> 
>   put "someaddy at somedomain.com <mailto:someaddy at somedomain.com>" into tAddress
>   put "Some Subject Line" into tSubject
>   put "This is the body of the email" into tBody
>   put "mailto:"& tAddress &"?subject="& tSubject &"&body="& tBody \
>       into tURL
>  launch url tURL

Best Wishes,

David Glasgow

 <http://www.i-psych.co.uk/>i-psych.co.uk <http://www.i-psych.co.uk/>

From sebastien.nouat at livecode.com  Wed Jul  1 09:28:42 2015
From: sebastien.nouat at livecode.com (Sebastien Nouat)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:28:42 +0100
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
Message-ID: <5593EB0A.8010707@livecode.com>

Dear List Members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.6 and 7.0.6 
Stable. This release is a stable release, in which all the bugs fixed in 
the .6 versions are now stable. The list of bugs fixed in those versions 
can be found in the Release Notes (in the RC 1, RC 2 and RC 3-specific 
bug fixes).

*Getting the Release*
To get the release please select "check for updates" from the "help" 
menu in the product or download the installer directly at: 
http://downloads.livecode.com

*6.7.7 RC 1 / 7.0.7 RC 1 *
The release of the next maintenance build is planned to be done in the 
course of next week.

You can follow our release schedule on our GitHub repository 
<https://github.com/runrev/livecode/milestones>.

Warm regards,

The LiveCode Team


From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Jul  1 09:44:54 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:44:54 +0200
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
Message-ID: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>

Hello,

I am using the strict compilation mode. When working over longer time on a
project it regularly happens that I have orphaned local variable
declarations.

Actually they don't hurt, but I like to keep my code clean and wonder if
there is any hidden feature, which checks for not any more needed local
declarations (beside scripting a check myself)?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Jul  1 09:48:39 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:48:39 +0200
Subject: AW: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>
References: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <001501d0b404$a34e7040$e9eb50c0$@kestner.de>

I am talking only about locals WITHIN a handler.

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Tiemo Hollmann TB
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Juli 2015 15:45
An: LiveCode User Liste senden
Betreff: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?

Hello,

I am using the strict compilation mode. When working over longer time on a
project it regularly happens that I have orphaned local variable
declarations.

Actually they don't hurt, but I like to keep my code clean and wonder if
there is any hidden feature, which checks for not any more needed local
declarations (beside scripting a check myself)?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 

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From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Jul  1 10:15:00 2015
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 16:15:00 +0200
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <5593EB0A.8010707@livecode.com>
References: <5593EB0A.8010707@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <8561483F-5EB1-4170-8696-83590F6F913B@mac.com>

Sebastien - from where I am, it is NOT TRUE that this update can be obtained by ?check for updates?, at least not from the Mac version of LC 7.0.6 (rc1) on Yosemite 10.10.3. I think this problem existed for the last update as well.

What?s going on?

Graham

> On 1 Jul 2015, at 15:28, Sebastien Nouat <sebastien.nouat at livecode.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear List Members,
> 
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.6 and 7.0.6 Stable. This release is a stable release, in which all the bugs fixed in the .6 versions are now stable. The list of bugs fixed in those versions can be found in the Release Notes (in the RC 1, RC 2 and RC 3-specific bug fixes).
> 
> *Getting the Release*
> To get the release please select "check for updates" from the "help" menu in the product or download the installer directly at: http://downloads.livecode.com
> 
> *6.7.7 RC 1 / 7.0.7 RC 1 *
> The release of the next maintenance build is planned to be done in the course of next week.
> 
> You can follow our release schedule on our GitHub repository <https://github.com/runrev/livecode/milestones>.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> The LiveCode Team
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Wed Jul  1 10:30:27 2015
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 09:30:27 -0500
Subject: Detecting Multiple Clicks
In-Reply-To: <7F7B2F63-D4F7-4F92-83F6-04B9863183CC@livecode.org>
References: <D1B84414.69374%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<7F7B2F63-D4F7-4F92-83F6-04B9863183CC@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <64A12669-4140-40E4-B2A3-DF586AFC57BF@mac.com>

Yes, thank you Scott.

be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com


> On Jun 30, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
> Nice share.
> 
> Thank you Scott.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2015, at 13:03, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thought folks might find the following useful...
>> 
>> I currently have a situation where I need to detect multiple clicks on an
>> object and differentiate between the number of click sets (i.e.
>> single-click, double-click, triple-click, etc).  The following seems to
>> work well, detecting a 50-click event, after which point I got tired of
>> clicking :-)
>> 
>> -----
>> 
>> constant theClickThreshold = 300
>> local theClickCount, theClickID
>> 
>> on mouseDown
>>  if lineOffset("countClicks",pendingMessages()) = 0 then
>>     put 0 into theClickCount
>>  else cancel theClickID
>>  add 1 to theClickCount
>>  send "countClicks" to me in theClickThreshold millisecs
>>  put the result into theClickID
>> end mouseDown
>> 
>> command countClicks
>>  put theClickCount && millisecs() -- SHOW CLICK COUNT
>>  put 0 into theClickCount -- RESET
>> end countClicks
>> 
>> -----
>> 
>> 
>> The click threshold can be adjusted but seems to work well at 300
>> milliseconds.  Change "on mouseDown" to "before mouseDown" to implement as
>> a behavior.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  1 10:31:19 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 07:31:19 -0700
Subject: Revmail problems on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <28A5E603-72F1-4209-8125-645E44E6DA4C@gmail.com>
References: <28A5E603-72F1-4209-8125-645E44E6DA4C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5593F9B7.5060203@fourthworld.com>

David V Glasgow wrote:

 > The good news is that using the launch url workaround recommended by
 > Richard (below) worked fine.  So anyone encountering the same issue
 > can take this route.  Thanks Richard.
 >
 > Why Revmail should fail in the way I have described is beyond me.
 > Maybe brighter coders can take it from here.

This is just a hunch, written in complete ignorance since I haven't read 
that part of the IDE's library, but ignorance hasn't stopped me from 
posting here before so here's my hunch:

IIRC you'd experienced this on Windows only, yes?

I believe revMail predates the engine's implementation of "launch url". 
  If so, and if revMail hasn't been updated to use "launch url", it may 
be that it's using the older method of attempting shell calls for stuff 
"launch url" now does with more robust lower-level API calls.

Windows shell options have undergone many changes since Vista forward, 
but Microsoft has a good reputation for maintaining backward 
compatibility for their lower-level APIs.

If you have time to submit a bug report for this that would be very 
helpful, so they can update whatever's going on in that library to make 
sure it uses the engine's "launch url" call as smartly as you can do 
yourself.

Once again, the old adage applies:

Know the engine
Trust the engine
Use the engine

Rather than seeing this as a workaround, I see it as using a newer 
feature that operates just a little closer to the OS.  Any time we can 
reduce the distance between our scripts and the underlying OS we 
generally benefit.

"launch url" not only makes a great replacement for revMail, but will 
handle any protocol that the system is set up to handle, including other 
common ones like "ftp" and "http" but also custom URL schemes as well.



 >> On 21 Jun 2015, at 3:15 pm, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>
 >> One simple workaround is to just use "mailto:" directly with "launch 
url:", e.g.:
 >>
 >>   put "someaddy at somedomain.com <mailto:someaddy at 
somedomain.com>" into tAddress
 >>   put "Some Subject Line" into tSubject
 >>   put "This is the body of the email" into tBody
 >>   put "mailto:"& tAddress &"?subject="& tSubject &"&body="& tBody \
 >>       into tURL
 >>  launch url tURL


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From skip at magicgate.com  Wed Jul  1 11:27:43 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 11:27:43 -0400
Subject: Retrieve email and attachments from Exchange Server
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4Nac9PzsDr2HLRTcaL8AqZZ7ia8aTWHFatczSsKXFp0RQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning / afternoon,

I need the ability to tap into an Exchange Server account and grab text /
attachments from emails sitting in that account.

Can anybody think of a way to do that via LC?  I know it is a stretch...
hoping for a creative solution.

Thank you for your input!

SKIP


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  1 11:46:54 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:46:54 -0700
Subject: Retrieve email and attachments from Exchange Server
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4Nac9PzsDr2HLRTcaL8AqZZ7ia8aTWHFatczSsKXFp0RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4Nac9PzsDr2HLRTcaL8AqZZ7ia8aTWHFatczSsKXFp0RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55940B6E.5040207@fourthworld.com>

Skip Kimpel wrote:

 > I need the ability to tap into an Exchange Server account and grab
 > text / attachments from emails sitting in that account.
 >
 > Can anybody think of a way to do that via LC?

I don't have an answer but I might have a clue:  Since Vista, Windows 
has become increasingly interesting in enabling interoperability through 
its PowerShell scripting language.

There may be a way to dig up relevant PowerShell scripts and call them 
from LiveCode with the shell function.

Please let us know what you find.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From skip at magicgate.com  Wed Jul  1 11:52:11 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 11:52:11 -0400
Subject: Retrieve email and attachments from Exchange Server
In-Reply-To: <55940B6E.5040207@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4Nac9PzsDr2HLRTcaL8AqZZ7ia8aTWHFatczSsKXFp0RQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55940B6E.5040207@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4N66Cz8Rg8UjKdN1QrYncJ5nWiCKyOmVQi_t=iaE47Eqg@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting... never thought of going that route but probably the most
likely approach.  Richard, thanks for giving me something to go on.

SKIP

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Skip Kimpel wrote:
>
> > I need the ability to tap into an Exchange Server account and grab
> > text / attachments from emails sitting in that account.
> >
> > Can anybody think of a way to do that via LC?
>
> I don't have an answer but I might have a clue:  Since Vista, Windows has
> become increasingly interesting in enabling interoperability through its
> PowerShell scripting language.
>
> There may be a way to dig up relevant PowerShell scripts and call them
> from LiveCode with the shell function.
>
> Please let us know what you find.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul  1 11:58:45 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:58:45 +0000
Subject: [OT] Gravatars?
In-Reply-To: <55921BAF.4000006@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5591A876.9090604@gmail.com> <55920615.2070502@ahsoftware.net>
	<0F992E18-E5CE-4449-9907-4FD3E357890B@jhj.com>
	<55921BAF.4000006@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <32A142FC-D1C2-4398-84CA-3C46AF85990D@iotecdigital.com>

THAT is a NICE RACK!

Bob S


> On Jun 29, 2015, at 21:31 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> On 06/29/2015 08:05 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:
> 
>> Geez, guys, now I had to look up portmanteau too. I?m no wiser - adding a photo to a coat rack has me baffled.
> 
> Here's a photo of a goat rack for you.
> You're welcome.
> 
> http://www.cookeryonline.com/goats/Goatcuts%20.html
> 
> -- 
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> ahsoftware at gmail.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 13:04:01 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:04:01 +0300
Subject: [OT] Gravatars?
In-Reply-To: <32A142FC-D1C2-4398-84CA-3C46AF85990D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5591A876.9090604@gmail.com>
	<55920615.2070502@ahsoftware.net>	<0F992E18-E5CE-4449-9907-4FD3E357890B@jhj.com>	<55921BAF.4000006@ahsoftware.net>
	<32A142FC-D1C2-4398-84CA-3C46AF85990D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <55941D81.6000505@gmail.com>

On 01/07/15 18:58, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> THAT is a NICE RACK!

A wee bit "in yer face" for vegetarians.

Richmond.
>
> Bob S
>
>
>> On Jun 29, 2015, at 21:31 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 06/29/2015 08:05 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:
>>
>>> Geez, guys, now I had to look up portmanteau too. I?m no wiser - adding a photo to a coat rack has me baffled.
>> Here's a photo of a goat rack for you.
>> You're welcome.
>>
>> http://www.cookeryonline.com/goats/Goatcuts%20.html
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul  1 16:42:44 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:42:44 +0000
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm assuming some folks out there got the same email as me regarding the
increase in Indy license pricing.

>From that email, it seems that the Community Edition will no longer have
all the same features as the fee-based versions of Livecode.

Comments?

Pete


From dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 17:22:03 2015
From: dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com (Dirk prive)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 23:22:03 +0200
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD3H57Za2-u44Mh1CrXTzh9tO7Z5x66UzP-aXMNV2nSzKpSejQ@mail.gmail.com>

All I can say is to send feedback to Kevin.
I already did and they are listening.
Dirk cleenwerck.
On Jul 1, 2015 23:15, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I'm assuming some folks out there got the same email as me regarding the
> increase in Indy license pricing.
>
> From that email, it seems that the Community Edition will no longer have
> all the same features as the fee-based versions of Livecode.
>
> Comments?
>
> Pete
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul  1 17:47:23 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 21:47:23 +0000
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>
References: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <C9BCC15B-5897-4AD0-8084-ED35C3550C55@iotecdigital.com>

Seems you could write a handler to do it pretty easily. 

<pseudocode>
? get stack script
? find ?local ?
? get word 2 of found line
? filter with ?*? & word 2 of found line & ?*?
? count number of lines. if only 1 then delete that line
? get list of cards
? repeat for every card
? get card script
? what I just said
? get list of objects on card
? repeat for every object on card
? get script of object
? do I have to repeat myself again?? 
</pseudocode>

It might be a little more complicated if you have multiple local variable declarations, but not much. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 06:44 , Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am using the strict compilation mode. When working over longer time on a
> project it regularly happens that I have orphaned local variable
> declarations.
> 
> Actually they don't hurt, but I like to keep my code clean and wonder if
> there is any hidden feature, which checks for not any more needed local
> declarations (beside scripting a check myself)?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul  1 17:55:28 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 21:55:28 +0000
Subject: Revmail problems on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <5593F9B7.5060203@fourthworld.com>
References: <28A5E603-72F1-4209-8125-645E44E6DA4C@gmail.com>
	<5593F9B7.5060203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <DCE9AA3B-2B82-4E4A-881B-27312D2778D5@iotecdigital.com>

To which I might add,

Don?t put bad gas in the engine
Don?t over rev the engine
Don?t try to pull the engine apart, then put it back together ?more better?

I?ll leave it up to everyone?s imaginations to determine what the coding correlations for these are. It?s only my intent to seem wise.

Bob S


On Jul 1, 2015, at 07:31 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

Once again, the old adage applies:

Know the engine
Trust the engine
Use the engine


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 17:56:50 2015
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:56:50 -0400
Subject: Reordering cards?
In-Reply-To: <558E366C.7060208@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <558C418C.3020109@gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrH12ZFP8G_Swujf=FM3zNKzuON9zqm5kXdS_Q9GOu1cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<558C5157.8060604@hyperactivesw.com> <558C58FC.1090707@gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpEnOkRCLJvLdGnxPGyyVoVM3KDtjuG5f+QK-rsrKgH2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<558CCE9F.3030906@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAAT6EXOWjzpgtZCJ2K54EecC1Ffa=j8pRPR78GVSr++VOcKVuA@mail.gmail.com>
	<558D2F95.1020600@gmail.com> <558E1453.5010507@hindu.org>
	<D1B36EAB.6915E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<558E366C.7060208@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtr1cfTQi8CQLfcSVP_FdVvZAVt74UezzCfJrLxcHXN2Hg@mail.gmail.com>

Disappointing that they're almost synonyms. I just checked and noticed the
difference -- that "number" can be used to refer to stacks in a file, while
"layer" apparently can't.

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:36 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 6/26/2015 11:08 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> And again there is also the number property (used by old timers like
>> Jacque and myself) showing the multiple ways of accomplishing the same
>> task:
>>
>
> And if you look up "layer" in the dictionary, the "see also" refers to
> "number" as the first suggestion. If you look up "number," a see-also is
> "layer". Which I didn't realize until I looked it up just now.
>
> Just making sure this horse is really dead. :)
>
> --
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> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul  1 17:59:28 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 21:59:28 +0000
Subject: Retrieve email and attachments from Exchange Server
In-Reply-To: <55940B6E.5040207@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4Nac9PzsDr2HLRTcaL8AqZZ7ia8aTWHFatczSsKXFp0RQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55940B6E.5040207@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0BDC178F-7CF7-44DA-BCD1-4102D602FFA1@iotecdigital.com>

You would think that, but you might be mistaken. The contact management Act has specifically stated that in order to get the Act Outlook plugin to work with Outlook, the end user <MUST> be an administrator. This was not true for older versions of Outlook but it is now. This is because Microsoft way upped the ante on Outlook security specifically to prevent an application from doing exactly what you are trying to do. 

If the developers of Act cannot find a way around the present restrictions, it is doubtful you will find a way. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 08:46 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Skip Kimpel wrote:
> 
> > I need the ability to tap into an Exchange Server account and grab
> > text / attachments from emails sitting in that account.
> >
> > Can anybody think of a way to do that via LC?
> 
> I don't have an answer but I might have a clue:  Since Vista, Windows has become increasingly interesting in enabling interoperability through its PowerShell scripting language.
> 
> There may be a way to dig up relevant PowerShell scripts and call them from LiveCode with the shell function.
> 
> Please let us know what you find.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul  1 18:05:37 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 22:05:37 +0000
Subject: Retrieve email and attachments from Exchange Server
In-Reply-To: <0BDC178F-7CF7-44DA-BCD1-4102D602FFA1@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4Nac9PzsDr2HLRTcaL8AqZZ7ia8aTWHFatczSsKXFp0RQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55940B6E.5040207@fourthworld.com>
	<0BDC178F-7CF7-44DA-BCD1-4102D602FFA1@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <28609754-FEFA-4525-B0B5-641E1F9A0E82@iotecdigital.com>

There is this, but it requires user interaction, specifically with a powershelgl authentication dialog. It also has some other pre-requisites that would become insurmountable obstacles if you did not have administrative access to the Exchange server or the workstation executing the powershell. 

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj984289%28v=exchg.150%29.aspx

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 14:59 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> You would think that, but you might be mistaken. The contact management Act has specifically stated that in order to get the Act Outlook plugin to work with Outlook, the end user <MUST> be an administrator. This was not true for older versions of Outlook but it is now. This is because Microsoft way upped the ante on Outlook security specifically to prevent an application from doing exactly what you are trying to do. 
> 
> If the developers of Act cannot find a way around the present restrictions, it is doubtful you will find a way. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 08:46 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Skip Kimpel wrote:
>> 
>>> I need the ability to tap into an Exchange Server account and grab
>>> text / attachments from emails sitting in that account.
>>> 
>>> Can anybody think of a way to do that via LC?
>> 
>> I don't have an answer but I might have a clue:  Since Vista, Windows has become increasingly interesting in enabling interoperability through its PowerShell scripting language.
>> 
>> There may be a way to dig up relevant PowerShell scripts and call them from LiveCode with the shell function.
>> 
>> Please let us know what you find.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> ____________________________________________________________________
>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul  1 18:50:10 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 22:50:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>

Peter Haworth <pete at ...> writes:

> 
> I'm assuming some folks out there got the same email as me regarding the
> increase in Indy license pricing.
> 
> From that email, it seems that the Community Edition will no longer have
> all the same features as the fee-based versions of Livecode.
> 
> Comments?

Been dealt with very nicely by Kevin:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24729&start=15

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 19:24:50 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:24:50 -0600
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrsnN62-ExWPgG_7XghAo2LYr6s29-STxfXd=CqYjuGKg@mail.gmail.com>

And boom goes the forum.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Peter Haworth <pete at ...> writes:
>
> >
> > I'm assuming some folks out there got the same email as me regarding the
> > increase in Indy license pricing.
> >
> > From that email, it seems that the Community Edition will no longer have
> > all the same features as the fee-based versions of Livecode.
> >
> > Comments?
>
> Been dealt with very nicely by Kevin:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24729&start=15
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jul  1 19:51:22 2015
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 16:51:22 -0700
Subject: Revmail problems on Windows 8
In-Reply-To: <DCE9AA3B-2B82-4E4A-881B-27312D2778D5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <28A5E603-72F1-4209-8125-645E44E6DA4C@gmail.com>
	<5593F9B7.5060203@fourthworld.com>
	<DCE9AA3B-2B82-4E4A-881B-27312D2778D5@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+RsyNim1BDXfzTvO2TLcCtnaVjZfMHEKEROjdT9HY5og@mail.gmail.com>

Bless the engine, my son.

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> To which I might add,
>
> Don?t put bad gas in the engine
> Don?t over rev the engine
> Don?t try to pull the engine apart, then put it back together ?more better?
>
> I?ll leave it up to everyone?s imaginations to determine what the coding
> correlations for these are. It?s only my intent to seem wise.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Jul 1, 2015, at 07:31 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> <mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:
>
> Once again, the old adage applies:
>
> Know the engine
> Trust the engine
> Use the engine
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Jul  1 19:56:39 2015
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 16:56:39 -0700
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrsnN62-ExWPgG_7XghAo2LYr6s29-STxfXd=CqYjuGKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSrsnN62-ExWPgG_7XghAo2LYr6s29-STxfXd=CqYjuGKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHKj_7_GQ2DhSV-WMgNtOMz12ruz-wFNf_j0=wmEAb3dcg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> And boom goes the forum.
>

I thought it was my provider.  It appears we are still in the networking
middle ages.

--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul  1 20:01:17 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 00:01:17 +0000
Subject: Combo Box Display Oddity
Message-ID: <CC93DC8A-533D-4512-BFDE-4880F7AFD828@iotecdigital.com>

Here?s an odd one. An opaque combo box becomes transparent when disabled and the background shows through. The quick fix is to set the blending to srcOrReverse, but why should I have to? Not complaining just asking if anyone else can reproduce this, and is this the desired behavior?

Bob S



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Jul  1 20:04:19 2015
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:04:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrsnN62-ExWPgG_7XghAo2LYr6s29-STxfXd=CqYjuGKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSrsnN62-ExWPgG_7XghAo2LYr6s29-STxfXd=CqYjuGKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1435795459326-4693537.post@n4.nabble.com>

Not just the forum, all of livecode.com

So far my on-rev sites are ok <crosses fingers> 

Anyone able to tell if the problem is a ddos or one of their servers falling
over?


Mike Bonner wrote
> And boom goes the forum.





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From paul at livecode.org  Wed Jul  1 20:54:30 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:54:30 -0700
Subject: Combo Box Display Oddity
In-Reply-To: <CC93DC8A-533D-4512-BFDE-4880F7AFD828@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CC93DC8A-533D-4512-BFDE-4880F7AFD828@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <9158584F-4120-456B-A2F2-1FF22B09116B@livecode.org>

I?m not seeing this on Yosemite with LC 7.0.6 (rc3), what LC version and system are you seeing this on?

FWIW, I don?t see this as desired behaviour.

Paul

> On Jul 1, 2015, at 17:01, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Here?s an odd one. An opaque combo box becomes transparent when disabled and the background shows through. The quick fix is to set the blending to srcOrReverse, but why should I have to? Not complaining just asking if anyone else can reproduce this, and is this the desired behavior?
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
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From jhj at jhj.com  Wed Jul  1 20:56:47 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:56:47 -0700
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <1435795459326-4693537.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSrsnN62-ExWPgG_7XghAo2LYr6s29-STxfXd=CqYjuGKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1435795459326-4693537.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3CF245CD-A7FB-406D-A805-EF578BB3675A@jhj.com>

Diesel is serving web pages. On-rev email is working (IMAP, I don?t use SMTP).
livecode.com no . downloads.livecode.com no . on-rev.com no (!)(I guess it isn?t really in the on-rev hosting)

> On Jul 1, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com> wrote:
> 
> Not just the forum, all of livecode.com
> 
> So far my on-rev sites are ok <crosses fingers> 
> 
> Anyone able to tell if the problem is a ddos or one of their servers falling
> over?
> 
> 
> Mike Bonner wrote
>> And boom goes the forum.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul  1 21:21:59 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:21:59 -0700
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrsnN62-ExWPgG_7XghAo2LYr6s29-STxfXd=CqYjuGKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSrsnN62-ExWPgG_7XghAo2LYr6s29-STxfXd=CqYjuGKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55949237.3080704@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/01/2015 04:24 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> And boom goes the forum.

Well, let's see... from memory...

Kevin said something about how if they had done this a while back they 
could have avoided the service errors that affected "a small number of 
users".

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From skiplondon at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 21:31:57 2015
From: skiplondon at gmail.com (Skip Kimpel)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 21:31:57 -0400
Subject: Retrieve email and attachments from Exchange Server
In-Reply-To: <28609754-FEFA-4525-B0B5-641E1F9A0E82@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4Nac9PzsDr2HLRTcaL8AqZZ7ia8aTWHFatczSsKXFp0RQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55940B6E.5040207@fourthworld.com>
	<0BDC178F-7CF7-44DA-BCD1-4102D602FFA1@iotecdigital.com>
	<28609754-FEFA-4525-B0B5-641E1F9A0E82@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <3FACB4B0-E40C-48C1-8946-EB1069B3ACD0@gmail.com>

Bob, 

The good news is I do have administrator rights and what I am writing is an internal business tool and not for public consumption. However, before I invest a significant amount of time playing with this unknown method let me ask the question in a different way.....

Let's say I create a rule to forward that email to a different email system. Is there a way to do what I am looking to do via Gmail, for instance?  Other email service?

SKIP



> On Jul 1, 2015, at 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> There is this, but it requires user interaction, specifically with a powershelgl authentication dialog. It also has some other pre-requisites that would become insurmountable obstacles if you did not have administrative access to the Exchange server or the workstation executing the powershell. 
> 
> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj984289%28v=exchg.150%29.aspx
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 14:59 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You would think that, but you might be mistaken. The contact management Act has specifically stated that in order to get the Act Outlook plugin to work with Outlook, the end user <MUST> be an administrator. This was not true for older versions of Outlook but it is now. This is because Microsoft way upped the ante on Outlook security specifically to prevent an application from doing exactly what you are trying to do. 
>> 
>> If the developers of Act cannot find a way around the present restrictions, it is doubtful you will find a way. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 08:46 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Skip Kimpel wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I need the ability to tap into an Exchange Server account and grab
>>>> text / attachments from emails sitting in that account.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anybody think of a way to do that via LC?
>>> 
>>> I don't have an answer but I might have a clue:  Since Vista, Windows has become increasingly interesting in enabling interoperability through its PowerShell scripting language.
>>> 
>>> There may be a way to dig up relevant PowerShell scripts and call them from LiveCode with the shell function.
>>> 
>>> Please let us know what you find.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Systems
>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>> ____________________________________________________________________
>>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>> 
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From skiplondon at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 21:38:00 2015
From: skiplondon at gmail.com (Skip Kimpel)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 21:38:00 -0400
Subject: Retrieve email and attachments from Exchange Server
In-Reply-To: <3FACB4B0-E40C-48C1-8946-EB1069B3ACD0@gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4Nac9PzsDr2HLRTcaL8AqZZ7ia8aTWHFatczSsKXFp0RQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55940B6E.5040207@fourthworld.com>
	<0BDC178F-7CF7-44DA-BCD1-4102D602FFA1@iotecdigital.com>
	<28609754-FEFA-4525-B0B5-641E1F9A0E82@iotecdigital.com>
	<3FACB4B0-E40C-48C1-8946-EB1069B3ACD0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBAD7370-2BAA-4730-93A4-1107B709D32E@gmail.com>

Maybe the Gmail API method?
https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/

A quick look at that shows to be a RESTful API so I might have a shot at it that way.

SKIP



> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Skip Kimpel <skiplondon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob, 
> 
> The good news is I do have administrator rights and what I am writing is an internal business tool and not for public consumption. However, before I invest a significant amount of time playing with this unknown method let me ask the question in a different way.....
> 
> Let's say I create a rule to forward that email to a different email system. Is there a way to do what I am looking to do via Gmail, for instance?  Other email service?
> 
> SKIP
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There is this, but it requires user interaction, specifically with a powershelgl authentication dialog. It also has some other pre-requisites that would become insurmountable obstacles if you did not have administrative access to the Exchange server or the workstation executing the powershell. 
>> 
>> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj984289%28v=exchg.150%29.aspx
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 14:59 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You would think that, but you might be mistaken. The contact management Act has specifically stated that in order to get the Act Outlook plugin to work with Outlook, the end user <MUST> be an administrator. This was not true for older versions of Outlook but it is now. This is because Microsoft way upped the ante on Outlook security specifically to prevent an application from doing exactly what you are trying to do. 
>>> 
>>> If the developers of Act cannot find a way around the present restrictions, it is doubtful you will find a way. 
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 08:46 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Skip Kimpel wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I need the ability to tap into an Exchange Server account and grab
>>>>> text / attachments from emails sitting in that account.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can anybody think of a way to do that via LC?
>>>> 
>>>> I don't have an answer but I might have a clue:  Since Vista, Windows has become increasingly interesting in enabling interoperability through its PowerShell scripting language.
>>>> 
>>>> There may be a way to dig up relevant PowerShell scripts and call them from LiveCode with the shell function.
>>>> 
>>>> Please let us know what you find.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Richard Gaskin
>>>> Fourth World Systems
>>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>>> ____________________________________________________________________
>>>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>>> 
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul  1 21:52:11 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 01:52:11 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>

I've struggled with using the showName property of a menu button pretty
much ever since I started using LC and beginning to wonder if I'm missing
something.

The showName property needs to be true for the the user's selected choice
from, for example, an option menu to be displayed.  First problem - that's
the label not the name. But if the text of the menu happens to be empty,
its name is displayed instead of empty which normally isn't something you
want to happen.

The dictionary says "If the object
<https://inbox.google.com/u/1/glossary/o/329.xml> has a *label* property
<https://inbox.google.com/u/1/glossary/p/391.xml>, the label
<https://inbox.google.com/u/1/dictionary/property/2173.xml> is displayed
instead of the name." but I have not found that to be the case.  If a menu
button has non-empty text and label and you set the text to empty, its name
is displayed, not the label.

A good number of my menus are populated in a mouseDown handler with dynamic
content which may be empty.  My workaround has been to check for empty and
either set the button text to space, or set the showName property to false
and be sure to set it to true in the menu's menuPick handler.

This isn't a huge deal but am I missing something obvious?  Wouldn't be the
first time.


From dunbarx at aol.com  Wed Jul  1 23:23:23 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 23:23:23 -0400
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14e4cca4d12-3a0-310d9@webprd-a108.mail.aol.com>


I am misunderstanding. In an option menu, if I have, say, the second line of the text of the button as empty, I get empty in the selected choice. This has nothing to do with the name of the button itself, which  does not show itself, nor the state of the show name.


This is the behavior of an ordinary button, where if the label is not empty, then that label is shown as the "name" of the button, taking the place of the actual name.


What am I missing?


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2015 9:52 pm
Subject: menu buttons and showname


I've struggled with using the showName property of a menu button pretty
much
ever since I started using LC and beginning to wonder if I'm
missing
something.

The showName property needs to be true for the the user's
selected choice
from, for example, an option menu to be displayed.  First
problem - that's
the label not the name. But if the text of the menu happens to
be empty,
its name is displayed instead of empty which normally isn't something
you
want to happen.

The dictionary says "If the
object
<https://inbox.google.com/u/1/glossary/o/329.xml> has a *label*
property
<https://inbox.google.com/u/1/glossary/p/391.xml>, the
label
<https://inbox.google.com/u/1/dictionary/property/2173.xml> is
displayed
instead of the name." but I have not found that to be the case.  If a
menu
button has non-empty text and label and you set the text to empty, its
name
is displayed, not the label.

A good number of my menus are populated in
a mouseDown handler with dynamic
content which may be empty.  My workaround has
been to check for empty and
either set the button text to space, or set the
showName property to false
and be sure to set it to true in the menu's menuPick
handler.

This isn't a huge deal but am I missing something obvious?  Wouldn't
be the
first
time.
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Jul  2 00:19:23 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:19:23 +1000
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <8AE9DB66-1BA5-4D8A-8369-29A9B022CA81@m-r-d.de>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
	<A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>
	<BE44F63D-D64D-45A4-87F2-89A5F2CC54EA@sweattechnologies.com>
	<8AE9DB66-1BA5-4D8A-8369-29A9B022CA81@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <E9895E33-8477-4B7B-9F31-4A3A51C2D2CD@sweattechnologies.com>


> On 1 Jul 2015, at 8:31 pm, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> 
> And even if i repeat here like a mantra from time to time, but subscribing to your mergExt suite was one of the best decisions I?ve made.

You can say that as often as you like Matthias

Cheers

--
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Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  2 00:40:37 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 04:40:37 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <14e4cca4d12-3a0-310d9@webprd-a108.mail.aol.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
	<14e4cca4d12-3a0-310d9@webprd-a108.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMb_mVps1fJQNdGb3d1dSpGZ=Qji6MgJ6w+iAeyBCm+dw@mail.gmail.com>

This happens when the complete text of an option menu is empty, not when a
line of the text is empty.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015, 8:23 PM  <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

>
> I am misunderstanding. In an option menu, if I have, say, the second line
> of the text of the button as empty, I get empty in the selected choice.
> This has nothing to do with the name of the button itself, which  does not
> show itself, nor the state of the show name.
>
>
> This is the behavior of an ordinary button, where if the label is not
> empty, then that label is shown as the "name" of the button, taking the
> place of the actual name.
>
>
> What am I missing?
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2015 9:52 pm
> Subject: menu buttons and showname
>
>
> I've struggled with using the showName property of a menu button pretty
> much
> ever since I started using LC and beginning to wonder if I'm
> missing
> something.
>
> The showName property needs to be true for the the user's
> selected choice
> from, for example, an option menu to be displayed.  First
> problem - that's
> the label not the name. But if the text of the menu happens to
> be empty,
> its name is displayed instead of empty which normally isn't something
> you
> want to happen.
>
> The dictionary says "If the
> object
> <https://inbox.google.com/u/1/glossary/o/329.xml> has a *label*
> property
> <https://inbox.google.com/u/1/glossary/p/391.xml>, the
> label
> <https://inbox.google.com/u/1/dictionary/property/2173.xml> is
> displayed
> instead of the name." but I have not found that to be the case.  If a
> menu
> button has non-empty text and label and you set the text to empty, its
> name
> is displayed, not the label.
>
> A good number of my menus are populated in
> a mouseDown handler with dynamic
> content which may be empty.  My workaround has
> been to check for empty and
> either set the button text to space, or set the
> showName property to false
> and be sure to set it to true in the menu's menuPick
> handler.
>
> This isn't a huge deal but am I missing something obvious?  Wouldn't
> be the
> first
> time.
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> list
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 00:52:11 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:52:11 +0800
Subject: Is there a shorter way?
Message-ID: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>

I?m accessing objects in another stack with code like this:

	put "First Group" into Field "Company" of card "CompanyData" of stack "ShareAnalysis" 
   	send textChanged to Field "Company" of card "CompanyData" of stack ?ShareAnalysis"

Is there a shorter way of achieving this? 

Even better, is there a way I can store a reference to the Field in a variable and use that instead of Field of Card of Stack?

Regards

Peter




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jul  2 00:57:41 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 21:57:41 -0700
Subject: Is there a shorter way?
In-Reply-To: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>
References: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1BA12C2.694F9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Is there a reason you can't use the long id of the field?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/1/15, 9:52 PM, "Peter W A Wood" <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:

>I?m accessing objects in another stack with code like this:
>
>	put "First Group" into Field "Company" of card "CompanyData" of stack
>"ShareAnalysis" 
>   	send textChanged to Field "Company" of card "CompanyData" of stack
>?ShareAnalysis"
>
>Is there a shorter way of achieving this?
>
>Even better, is there a way I can store a reference to the Field in a
>variable and use that instead of Field of Card of Stack?
>
>Regards
>
>Peter
>
>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 01:43:09 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:43:09 +0800
Subject: [OT] Gravatars?
In-Reply-To: <55941D81.6000505@gmail.com>
References: <5591A876.9090604@gmail.com> <55920615.2070502@ahsoftware.net>
	<0F992E18-E5CE-4449-9907-4FD3E357890B@jhj.com>
	<55921BAF.4000006@ahsoftware.net>
	<32A142FC-D1C2-4398-84CA-3C46AF85990D@iotecdigital.com>
	<55941D81.6000505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kiiyTZO+xYOisqF3U_ZNqX6z7z5FRQ=qX411_LRzSd8rw@mail.gmail.com>

OK, we'll try and remember Richmond's into melons, not racks. ;-)

Hope your money is in a bank other than Eurobank. I understand that 28% of
Bulgarian deposits are backed by the Greeks :-(

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 01/07/15 18:58, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>> THAT is a NICE RACK!
>>
>
> A wee bit "in yer face" for vegetarians.
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 02:09:17 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:09:17 +0800
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <C9BCC15B-5897-4AD0-8084-ED35C3550C55@iotecdigital.com>
References: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>
	<C9BCC15B-5897-4AD0-8084-ED35C3550C55@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjvU1Mg_NC9iVu8xw=E2KVF6wZFy68YSqJHc1kiXF1n-g@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, I think you would need to remove the astrisks otherwise if you have
single letter variables (many use them as counters in repeat loops) or
words that may appear in other words - lStart, lStartSearch - you could
easy miss some.



On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> Seems you could write a handler to do it pretty easily.
>
> <pseudocode>
> ? get stack script
> ? find ?local ?
> ? get word 2 of found line
> ? filter with ?*? & word 2 of found line & ?*?
> ? count number of lines. if only 1 then delete that line
> ? get list of cards
> ? repeat for every card
> ? get card script
> ? what I just said
> ? get list of objects on card
> ? repeat for every object on card
> ? get script of object
> ? do I have to repeat myself again??
> </pseudocode>
>
> It might be a little more complicated if you have multiple local variable
> declarations, but not much.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2015, at 06:44 , Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am using the strict compilation mode. When working over longer time on
> a
> > project it regularly happens that I have orphaned local variable
> > declarations.
> >
> > Actually they don't hurt, but I like to keep my code clean and wonder if
> > there is any hidden feature, which checks for not any more needed local
> > declarations (beside scripting a check myself)?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul  2 02:17:45 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 01:17:45 -0500
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5594D789.4020002@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/1/2015 8:52 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> The showName property needs to be true for the the user's selected choice
> from, for example, an option menu to be displayed.  First problem - that's
> the label not the name. But if the text of the menu happens to be empty,
> its name is displayed instead of empty which normally isn't something you
> want to happen.

The general rule is as the dictionary says: if showname is true and the 
object has a label, the label is displayed. Otherwise the name is displayed.

But option button have dynamic labels that change to reflect the current 
selection. If there is no text in the button at all, then there can be 
no selection and therefore there can be no label. Since there is no 
label, its name is displayed.

You'd think combo boxes would do the same thing, but those are a sort of 
hybrid field/button object and the so-called "label" portion responds 
like a field, where empty really can be empty.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 02:28:52 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:28:52 +0800
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kgUKouAaBdsK6HSGPSR0OEFudUF1WSQqyVT2yvN9SSRug@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

I agree with the other here that the behaviour is as I'd expect and works
the way I want it to.

Can you better explain what it is you are after? Is it you have a button
named "Make a Choice" and it's dynamically filled with 0 to umpteen
choices, but regardless of whats in there, OR what a user chooses, you
always want the button to return back to "Make a Choice" displayed?


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 02:52:33 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:52:33 +0800
Subject: Is there a shorter way?
In-Reply-To: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>
References: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khNOxT8QdNjx1DZUxOcL3Mffb0agmE=D61xOzo++T1APA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Is there a shorter way of achieving this?
>

The smart-alec answer would be text file or as you seem to be referring to
a large amount of data, a database ;-)

In the Model View Controller way of doing things the data (model) is all in
one location so as to avoid the problems you are facing. It wouldn't matter
which field (view) was in which group (view) of whatever stack (view), the
call (controller) to get the data would be exactly the same. It's why I
moved to dbs a long time ago, even simple stacks I use a sqLite db; avoids
all these hassles plus you get a host of db bonus features thrown if for
free.

Probably not what you wanted to hear ;-(


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Jul  2 03:12:11 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:12:11 +0200
Subject: Is there a shorter way?
In-Reply-To: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>
References: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5594E44B.70209@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Peter,

// put the long id into a variable
put "First Group" into Field "Company" of card "CompanyData" of stack 
"ShareAnalysis" into myLongID
put the text of myLongID into mySomeText
send "textChanged" to myLongID
set the text of myLongID to mySomeText

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On 7/2/2015 06:52, Peter W A Wood wrote:
> I?m accessing objects in another stack with code like this:
>
> 	put "First Group" into Field "Company" of card "CompanyData" of stack "ShareAnalysis"
>     	send textChanged to Field "Company" of card "CompanyData" of stack ?ShareAnalysis"
>
> Is there a shorter way of achieving this?
>
> Even better, is there a way I can store a reference to the Field in a variable and use that instead of Field of Card of Stack?
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
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From skiplondon at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 06:10:02 2015
From: skiplondon at gmail.com (Skip Kimpel)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:10:02 -0400
Subject: Pull down to refresh swipe gesture
Message-ID: <A5BCEC89-1D0F-49F8-B3FB-8DACA54410F9@gmail.com>

Good morning,

Has anybody created the "pull down to refresh" swipe gesture?  I have an app where there is a refresh button on it but during testing I keep seeing users trying to pull down on the screen to achieve the function of refreshing the data.

I am assuming it would need to be simulated and would not be native functionality, correct?

SKIP





From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Jul  2 06:20:20 2015
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:20:20 +0200
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
Message-ID: <6FE8C379-F29E-4A27-9280-4DA072C4D7D8@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany (where it is raining, and there is a cool breeze,
while the rest of France is in the high 30?s  :>))

In the same vein,

I declare all my variables ?global" in two ways ; the first which will remain
when testing is finished (i.e.. passing info outside the script); the others
which will be commented out after testing. If I return to this stack at a
later date to modify it, I remove the comments until I have finished testing
again. Whenever I ?invent? a variable, I always declare it global, either permanent
or temporary, and so I cannot end up have unused variables.
Declaring all variables as global, especially when I have some math in my
scripts, running step by step (debug mode) helps check out my math
easily and efficiently.
All my variable names begin with ?GV" or ?LV? which helps me not to make
mistakes. Its the stupid mistakes which add to development time.

Oh ! I forgot ! I sleep little, and so during the night, I plan out my stack
development, even to script layout, Next morning I code, and find that I
have done much of the debugging in my head, diring the night.

Anybody out there got any strange quirks like mine ? (more than 50 years
of programming leaves deep scars ?. !!!).

-Francis


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 07:09:38 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 19:09:38 +0800
Subject: Is there a shorter way?
In-Reply-To: <5594E44B.70209@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>
	<5594E44B.70209@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <F88EAD4B-66D9-49F5-8671-B46D056F8F74@gmail.com>


> On 2 Jul 2015, at 15:12, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> // put the long id into a variable
> put "First Group" into Field "Company" of card "CompanyData" of stack "ShareAnalysis" into myLongID
> put the text of myLongID into mySomeText
> send "textChanged" to myLongID
> set the text of myLongID to mySomeText
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille

Many thanks Mark.


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 07:10:13 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 19:10:13 +0800
Subject: Is there a shorter way?
In-Reply-To: <D1BA12C2.694F9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>
	<D1BA12C2.694F9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <848DA727-76DD-4C2D-B432-8951076A5E20@gmail.com>


> On 2 Jul 2015, at 12:57, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a reason you can't use the long id of the field?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 

Thanks for the hint Scott.



From peterwawood at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 07:13:53 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 19:13:53 +0800
Subject: Is there a shorter way?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5khNOxT8QdNjx1DZUxOcL3Mffb0agmE=D61xOzo++T1APA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5khNOxT8QdNjx1DZUxOcL3Mffb0agmE=D61xOzo++T1APA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <914760FF-2CF0-455C-8B27-FA9EEC227C05@gmail.com>

Kay

Thanks for the input. I perhaps should have explained more. I am writing a stack to test a stack. The code that I posted was setting a field in the UI of the stack being tested and then activating its on changeText handler.

Regards

Peter


> On 2 Jul 2015, at 14:52, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Is there a shorter way of achieving this?
>> 
> 
> The smart-alec answer would be text file or as you seem to be referring to
> a large amount of data, a database ;-)
> 
> In the Model View Controller way of doing things the data (model) is all in
> one location so as to avoid the problems you are facing. It wouldn't matter
> which field (view) was in which group (view) of whatever stack (view), the
> call (controller) to get the data would be exactly the same. It's why I
> moved to dbs a long time ago, even simple stacks I use a sqLite db; avoids
> all these hassles plus you get a host of db bonus features thrown if for
> free.
> 
> Probably not what you wanted to hear ;-(
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From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul  2 10:06:38 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:06:38 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <E9895E33-8477-4B7B-9F31-4A3A51C2D2CD@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
	<A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>
	<BE44F63D-D64D-45A4-87F2-89A5F2CC54EA@sweattechnologies.com>
	<8AE9DB66-1BA5-4D8A-8369-29A9B022CA81@m-r-d.de>
	<E9895E33-8477-4B7B-9F31-4A3A51C2D2CD@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioPvaRt842KnMepJEBEEyL5OgGgVsWbUtaUvoOoyX7C07Q@mail.gmail.com>

On this topic - what is the best way to get an entire class of learners to
be able to put an app they create together onto their tablet / smartphone?

On 2 July 2015 at 06:19, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:

>
> > On 1 Jul 2015, at 8:31 pm, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <
> matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> >
> > And even if i repeat here like a mantra from time to time, but
> subscribing to your mergExt suite was one of the best decisions I?ve made.
>
> You can say that as often as you like Matthias
>
> Cheers
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  2 10:46:11 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:46:11 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgUKouAaBdsK6HSGPSR0OEFudUF1WSQqyVT2yvN9SSRug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgUKouAaBdsK6HSGPSR0OEFudUF1WSQqyVT2yvN9SSRug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eP8P9UAswZhDu5uQqbAcptn3U1zNTYtSmaSrUJW+WrCqw@mail.gmail.com>

No, I simply want an option menu with empty text display an empty label,
not its name property. As mentioned in the original post, I do that now by
setting showname to false if the text is empty.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015, 11:29 PM Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I agree with the other here that the behaviour is as I'd expect and works
> the way I want it to.
>
> Can you better explain what it is you are after? Is it you have a button
> named "Make a Choice" and it's dynamically filled with 0 to umpteen
> choices, but regardless of whats in there, OR what a user chooses, you
> always want the button to return back to "Make a Choice" displayed?
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  2 10:52:52 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:52:52 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <5594D789.4020002@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
	<5594D789.4020002@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>

So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty is the
only way round this?

Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try setting
the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to set its
label to some value.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015, 11:18 PM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 7/1/2015 8:52 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > The showName property needs to be true for the the user's selected choice
> > from, for example, an option menu to be displayed.  First problem -
> that's
> > the label not the name. But if the text of the menu happens to be empty,
> > its name is displayed instead of empty which normally isn't something you
> > want to happen.
>
> The general rule is as the dictionary says: if showname is true and the
> object has a label, the label is displayed. Otherwise the name is
> displayed.
>
> But option button have dynamic labels that change to reflect the current
> selection. If there is no text in the button at all, then there can be
> no selection and therefore there can be no label. Since there is no
> label, its name is displayed.
>
> You'd think combo boxes would do the same thing, but those are a sort of
> hybrid field/button object and the so-called "label" portion responds
> like a field, where empty really can be empty.
>
> --
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Thu Jul  2 10:53:32 2015
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:53:32 -0500
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eP8P9UAswZhDu5uQqbAcptn3U1zNTYtSmaSrUJW+WrCqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgUKouAaBdsK6HSGPSR0OEFudUF1WSQqyVT2yvN9SSRug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eP8P9UAswZhDu5uQqbAcptn3U1zNTYtSmaSrUJW+WrCqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14D14DA5-1B59-455F-B576-95779C772409@mac.com>

Have you tried adding a blank line to the list of options? I?ve done it that way before? then just set the menuHistory of that option button to the line that is blank.

be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com


> On Jul 2, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> No, I simply want an option menu with empty text display an empty label,
> not its name property. As mentioned in the original post, I do that now by
> setting showname to false if the text is empty.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015, 11:29 PM Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Peter,
>> 
>> I agree with the other here that the behaviour is as I'd expect and works
>> the way I want it to.
>> 
>> Can you better explain what it is you are after? Is it you have a button
>> named "Make a Choice" and it's dynamically filled with 0 to umpteen
>> choices, but regardless of whats in there, OR what a user chooses, you
>> always want the button to return back to "Make a Choice" displayed?
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  2 10:58:57 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:58:57 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <14D14DA5-1B59-455F-B576-95779C772409@mac.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNGUXmbdoAcL+w5QzCEpSuu9VT_RNCRjoX_3OdhRVHaog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgUKouAaBdsK6HSGPSR0OEFudUF1WSQqyVT2yvN9SSRug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eP8P9UAswZhDu5uQqbAcptn3U1zNTYtSmaSrUJW+WrCqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14D14DA5-1B59-455F-B576-95779C772409@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOf-afYxziKnjL6V-UZj3fvbe+H+u=WKXcLv6HgWKhZsg@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, that's one of the things I've done.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015, 7:54 AM Randy Hengst <iowahengst at mac.com> wrote:

> Have you tried adding a blank line to the list of options? I?ve done it
> that way before? then just set the menuHistory of that option button to the
> line that is blank.
>
> be well,
> randy
>
> Randy Hengst
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >
> > No, I simply want an option menu with empty text display an empty label,
> > not its name property. As mentioned in the original post, I do that now
> by
> > setting showname to false if the text is empty.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015, 11:29 PM Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Peter,
> >>
> >> I agree with the other here that the behaviour is as I'd expect and
> works
> >> the way I want it to.
> >>
> >> Can you better explain what it is you are after? Is it you have a button
> >> named "Make a Choice" and it's dynamically filled with 0 to umpteen
> >> choices, but regardless of whats in there, OR what a user chooses, you
> >> always want the button to return back to "Make a Choice" displayed?
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul  2 11:28:31 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 08:28:31 -0700
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>

Peter Haworth wrote:

> So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty is the
> only way round this?
>
> Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try setting
> the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to set its
> label to some value.

With the OS X HIGs not nearly as complete as they used to be I can no 
longer find the relevant section on this, but I believe most HIGs 
suggest that we avoid giving the user the impression the control may be 
broken by replacing empty items with some explanation of why it's empty, 
or perhaps a disabled item simply saying "None".

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  2 11:47:14 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:47:14 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>

Good point. For lots of reasons, the names of my option menus aren't
suitable for display to a user. Maybe the cleanest thing to do then is, if
the text of the menu is empty, set its label as suggested by Richard. I
like that. Most of the menus in question are under the control of a
behavior so this is easy to implement.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015, 8:28 AM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> > So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty is the
> > only way round this?
> >
> > Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try
> setting
> > the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to set its
> > label to some value.
>
> With the OS X HIGs not nearly as complete as they used to be I can no
> longer find the relevant section on this, but I believe most HIGs
> suggest that we avoid giving the user the impression the control may be
> broken by replacing empty items with some explanation of why it's empty,
> or perhaps a disabled item simply saying "None".
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
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>
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From paul at livecode.org  Thu Jul  2 12:28:53 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:28:53 -0700
Subject: Pull down to refresh swipe gesture
In-Reply-To: <A5BCEC89-1D0F-49F8-B3FB-8DACA54410F9@gmail.com>
References: <A5BCEC89-1D0F-49F8-B3FB-8DACA54410F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1E9A9F4-A608-4948-B3AC-4FADE0D2573A@livecode.org>

Skip,

http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4069/l/29603-creating-a-simple-stock-control-application-for-the-ipad (scroll down to "Using Swipe Gestures?).

I?ve adapted the LC lesson (link above) for something similar. Of course if you are testing for swipes left and right also, you may need a little more tweaking, but here?s the basics of the script?

local  sCoordinateArray

on touchStart pID 
   ## When the user touches the screen     
   put empty into sCoordinateArray["start"] 
   put empty into sCoordinateArray["end"]
end touchStart

on touchMove pID, x y 
   if sCoordinateArray["start"] is empty then        
      put y into sCoordinateArray["start"] 
   else        
      put y into sCoordinateArray["end"] 
   end if
end touchMove

on touchEnd 
   put sCoordinateArray["start"] into tStart 
   put sCoordinateArray["end"] into tEnd
   ## Compare the x coordinates of the start and end point     
   ## This tells us the direction of the movement    
   if tStart is not empty and tEnd is not empty then 
      if tStart < tEnd and tEnd - tStart > 100 then
         swipeDown
      else if tStart > tEnd and tStart - tEnd > 100 then
         swipeUp
      end if 
   end if    
   put empty into sCoordinateArray["start"]
   put empty into sCoordinateArray["end"] 
end touchEnd

on swipeDown
   answer "Swipe Down!"
end swipeDown

on swipeUp
   answer "Swipe Up!"
end swipeUp

Paul

> On Jul 2, 2015, at 03:10, Skip Kimpel <skiplondon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> Has anybody created the "pull down to refresh" swipe gesture?  I have an app where there is a refresh button on it but during testing I keep seeing users trying to pull down on the screen to achieve the function of refreshing the data.
> 
> I am assuming it would need to be simulated and would not be native functionality, correct?
> 
> SKIP
> 
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jul  2 12:58:21 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:58:21 -0700
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Often, this type of control has a call to action such as "Choose an item",
as opposed an indication "No selection".  It depends on the context of
your control.  If a selection is required in your set up, the call to
action is more communicative. Otherwise, if "No selection" is a valid
selection then that type of message should work.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/2/15, 8:47 AM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

>Good point. For lots of reasons, the names of my option menus aren't
>suitable for display to a user. Maybe the cleanest thing to do then is, if
>the text of the menu is empty, set its label as suggested by Richard. I
>like that. Most of the menus in question are under the control of a
>behavior so this is easy to implement.
>
>On Thu, Jul 2, 2015, 8:28 AM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Peter Haworth wrote:
>>
>> > So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty is
>>the
>> > only way round this?
>> >
>> > Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try
>> setting
>> > the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to set
>>its
>> > label to some value.
>>
>> With the OS X HIGs not nearly as complete as they used to be I can no
>> longer find the relevant section on this, but I believe most HIGs
>> suggest that we avoid giving the user the impression the control may be
>> broken by replacing empty items with some explanation of why it's empty,
>> or perhaps a disabled item simply saying "None".
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Systems
>>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>   ____________________________________________________________________
>>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul  2 13:35:22 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 10:35:22 -0700
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <5595765A.6060903@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:

 > Often, this type of control has a call to action such as "Choose an
 > item", as opposed an indication "No selection".  It depends on the
 > context of your control.

It does, and I wish more Web designers understood that. ;)

<rant>
This became popular with form designers where they need to avoid having 
a default answer, indicating that some action must be taken for a 
control that requires a value.

But over the years I've seen many forms where that lead-in entry is used 
instead of a having any descriptive label next to it, and often without 
error-checking to ensure some other value was chosen anyway so they've 
made it useless in spite of themselves.
</rant>


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  2 15:59:06 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 19:59:06 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting observation Scott.  Makes me wonder if I'm actually using the
correct type of menu.

For example, I might have an option menu which lists the names of tables in
a database and another one that lists the columns in the selected table.
There's no "call to action" in that situation (other than to pick a table
and a column), so is an option menu the correct type of control according
to HIG?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:00 AM Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Often, this type of control has a call to action such as "Choose an item",
> as opposed an indication "No selection".  It depends on the context of
> your control.  If a selection is required in your set up, the call to
> action is more communicative. Otherwise, if "No selection" is a valid
> selection then that type of message should work.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
> On 7/2/15, 8:47 AM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> >Good point. For lots of reasons, the names of my option menus aren't
> >suitable for display to a user. Maybe the cleanest thing to do then is, if
> >the text of the menu is empty, set its label as suggested by Richard. I
> >like that. Most of the menus in question are under the control of a
> >behavior so this is easy to implement.
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 2, 2015, 8:28 AM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Peter Haworth wrote:
> >>
> >> > So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty is
> >>the
> >> > only way round this?
> >> >
> >> > Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try
> >> setting
> >> > the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to set
> >>its
> >> > label to some value.
> >>
> >> With the OS X HIGs not nearly as complete as they used to be I can no
> >> longer find the relevant section on this, but I believe most HIGs
> >> suggest that we avoid giving the user the impression the control may be
> >> broken by replacing empty items with some explanation of why it's empty,
> >> or perhaps a disabled item simply saying "None".
> >>
> >> --
> >>   Richard Gaskin
> >>   Fourth World Systems
> >>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> >>   ____________________________________________________________________
> >>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> >>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jul  2 16:17:33 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 13:17:33 -0700
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>

As far as there being a "correct type of control", that's open to endless
debate. :-)

>From what you describe, there doesn't seem to be a need for a call to
action -- this was suggested simply to address the case that a selection
MUST be made for things to work.  Since this doesn't seem to be relevant
in your situation, I would imagine you'd display a default option as the
control label.

The bigger issue is why you have an empty option at all.  If that's a
setting that a user can implement, the option should read something like
"<no selection>" or "<empty>" or similar.  If the empty value is something
pulled from a table that can't be acted upon, there's no need to include
it in the list of options.

As always, I may be missing something. :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/2/15, 12:59 PM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

>Interesting observation Scott.  Makes me wonder if I'm actually using the
>correct type of menu.
>
>For example, I might have an option menu which lists the names of tables
>in
>a database and another one that lists the columns in the selected table.
>There's no "call to action" in that situation (other than to pick a table
>and a column), so is an option menu the correct type of control according
>to HIG?
>
>On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:00 AM Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Often, this type of control has a call to action such as "Choose an
>>item",
>> as opposed an indication "No selection".  It depends on the context of
>> your control.  If a selection is required in your set up, the call to
>> action is more communicative. Otherwise, if "No selection" is a valid
>> selection then that type of message should work.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/2/15, 8:47 AM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Good point. For lots of reasons, the names of my option menus aren't
>> >suitable for display to a user. Maybe the cleanest thing to do then
>>is, if
>> >the text of the menu is empty, set its label as suggested by Richard. I
>> >like that. Most of the menus in question are under the control of a
>> >behavior so this is easy to implement.
>> >
>> >On Thu, Jul 2, 2015, 8:28 AM Richard Gaskin
>><ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Peter Haworth wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty
>>is
>> >>the
>> >> > only way round this?
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try
>> >> setting
>> >> > the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to
>>set
>> >>its
>> >> > label to some value.
>> >>
>> >> With the OS X HIGs not nearly as complete as they used to be I can no
>> >> longer find the relevant section on this, but I believe most HIGs
>> >> suggest that we avoid giving the user the impression the control may
>>be
>> >> broken by replacing empty items with some explanation of why it's
>>empty,
>> >> or perhaps a disabled item simply saying "None".
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>   Richard Gaskin
>> >>   Fourth World Systems
>> >>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the
>>Web
>> >>   
>>____________________________________________________________________
>> >>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com
>>http://www.FourthWorld.com
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> use-livecode mailing list
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  2 16:35:22 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:35:22 -0700
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>
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Don't think you're missing anything.  The example of table/column menus
doesn't illustrate the original question I had since it's pretty much
impossible to have a db without tables or a table without column.

Maybe a better example of the empty menu might be one menu with a list of
customers and a second menu of invoice numbers for the selected customer.
It's possible that the selected customer would not have any invoices yet so
the second menu would be empty.  Once again, no call to action but I like
the idea of displaying "No invoices" or something similar.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> As far as there being a "correct type of control", that's open to endless
> debate. :-)
>
> From what you describe, there doesn't seem to be a need for a call to
> action -- this was suggested simply to address the case that a selection
> MUST be made for things to work.  Since this doesn't seem to be relevant
> in your situation, I would imagine you'd display a default option as the
> control label.
>
> The bigger issue is why you have an empty option at all.  If that's a
> setting that a user can implement, the option should read something like
> "<no selection>" or "<empty>" or similar.  If the empty value is something
> pulled from a table that can't be acted upon, there's no need to include
> it in the list of options.
>
> As always, I may be missing something. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
> On 7/2/15, 12:59 PM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> >Interesting observation Scott.  Makes me wonder if I'm actually using the
> >correct type of menu.
> >
> >For example, I might have an option menu which lists the names of tables
> >in
> >a database and another one that lists the columns in the selected table.
> >There's no "call to action" in that situation (other than to pick a table
> >and a column), so is an option menu the correct type of control according
> >to HIG?
> >
> >On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:00 AM Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Often, this type of control has a call to action such as "Choose an
> >>item",
> >> as opposed an indication "No selection".  It depends on the context of
> >> your control.  If a selection is required in your set up, the call to
> >> action is more communicative. Otherwise, if "No selection" is a valid
> >> selection then that type of message should work.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Scott Rossi
> >> Creative Director
> >> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/2/15, 8:47 AM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Good point. For lots of reasons, the names of my option menus aren't
> >> >suitable for display to a user. Maybe the cleanest thing to do then
> >>is, if
> >> >the text of the menu is empty, set its label as suggested by Richard. I
> >> >like that. Most of the menus in question are under the control of a
> >> >behavior so this is easy to implement.
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, Jul 2, 2015, 8:28 AM Richard Gaskin
> >><ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Peter Haworth wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty
> >>is
> >> >>the
> >> >> > only way round this?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try
> >> >> setting
> >> >> > the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to
> >>set
> >> >>its
> >> >> > label to some value.
> >> >>
> >> >> With the OS X HIGs not nearly as complete as they used to be I can no
> >> >> longer find the relevant section on this, but I believe most HIGs
> >> >> suggest that we avoid giving the user the impression the control may
> >>be
> >> >> broken by replacing empty items with some explanation of why it's
> >>empty,
> >> >> or perhaps a disabled item simply saying "None".
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>   Richard Gaskin
> >> >>   Fourth World Systems
> >> >>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the
> >>Web
> >> >>
> >>____________________________________________________________________
> >> >>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com
> >>http://www.FourthWorld.com
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> use-livecode mailing list
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul  2 17:03:21 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:03:21 +0000
Subject: Combo Box Display Oddity
In-Reply-To: <9158584F-4120-456B-A2F2-1FF22B09116B@livecode.org>
References: <CC93DC8A-533D-4512-BFDE-4880F7AFD828@iotecdigital.com>
	<9158584F-4120-456B-A2F2-1FF22B09116B@livecode.org>
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6.7.2 on 10.10.3. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 17:54 , Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
> I?m not seeing this on Yosemite with LC 7.0.6 (rc3), what LC version and system are you seeing this on?
> 
> FWIW, I don?t see this as desired behaviour.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 17:01, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Here?s an odd one. An opaque combo box becomes transparent when disabled and the background shows through. The quick fix is to set the blending to srcOrReverse, but why should I have to? Not complaining just asking if anyone else can reproduce this, and is this the desired behavior?
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul  2 17:10:40 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:10:40 +0000
Subject: Retrieve email and attachments from Exchange Server
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The problem is encryption. You can shell this, but you need to read up on how to use the command line to telnet into an exchange server, and to complicate things, Microsoft made some significant changes in how to communicate with SMTP over telnet, so there are articles strewn about the internet that are outdated. Also, Microsoft recently deprecated some older ciphers. 

The quick fix is to set up an SMTP relay on a server (or workstation) that you do control, then configure that relay?s outside connection to use TLS, and leave the inside open. Then you can communicate with the internal relay without any problem or fear of security issues. This does not prevent someone on your LAN however, from intercepting your non-encrypted traffic with your relay, so this would not be a good choice, say for a medical application. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 18:31 , Skip Kimpel <skiplondon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob, 
> 
> The good news is I do have administrator rights and what I am writing is an internal business tool and not for public consumption. However, before I invest a significant amount of time playing with this unknown method let me ask the question in a different way.....
> 
> Let's say I create a rule to forward that email to a different email system. Is there a way to do what I am looking to do via Gmail, for instance?  Other email service?
> 
> SKIP
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 6:05 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> There is this, but it requires user interaction, specifically with a powershelgl authentication dialog. It also has some other pre-requisites that would become insurmountable obstacles if you did not have administrative access to the Exchange server or the workstation executing the powershell. 
>> 
>> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj984289%28v=exchg.150%29.aspx
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 14:59 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You would think that, but you might be mistaken. The contact management Act has specifically stated that in order to get the Act Outlook plugin to work with Outlook, the end user <MUST> be an administrator. This was not true for older versions of Outlook but it is now. This is because Microsoft way upped the ante on Outlook security specifically to prevent an application from doing exactly what you are trying to do. 
>>> 
>>> If the developers of Act cannot find a way around the present restrictions, it is doubtful you will find a way. 
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 08:46 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Skip Kimpel wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I need the ability to tap into an Exchange Server account and grab
>>>>> text / attachments from emails sitting in that account.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can anybody think of a way to do that via LC?
>>>> 
>>>> I don't have an answer but I might have a clue:  Since Vista, Windows has become increasingly interesting in enabling interoperability through its PowerShell scripting language.
>>>> 
>>>> There may be a way to dig up relevant PowerShell scripts and call them from LiveCode with the shell function.
>>>> 
>>>> Please let us know what you find.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul  2 17:13:29 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:13:29 +0000
Subject: [OT] Gravatars?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kiiyTZO+xYOisqF3U_ZNqX6z7z5FRQ=qX411_LRzSd8rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5591A876.9090604@gmail.com> <55920615.2070502@ahsoftware.net>
	<0F992E18-E5CE-4449-9907-4FD3E357890B@jhj.com>
	<55921BAF.4000006@ahsoftware.net>
	<32A142FC-D1C2-4398-84CA-3C46AF85990D@iotecdigital.com>
	<55941D81.6000505@gmail.com>
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One world banking system anyone? I seem to recall reading about how this might come about somewhere?

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 22:43 , Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> OK, we'll try and remember Richmond's into melons, not racks. ;-)
> 
> Hope your money is in a bank other than Eurobank. I understand that 28% of
> Bulgarian deposits are backed by the Greeks :-(
> 
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 01/07/15 18:58, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> 
>>> THAT is a NICE RACK!
>>> 
>> 
>> A wee bit "in yer face" for vegetarians.
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul  2 17:18:52 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:18:52 +0000
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjvU1Mg_NC9iVu8xw=E2KVF6wZFy68YSqJHc1kiXF1n-g@mail.gmail.com>
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If you remove the asterisks, you would fail to find any code that uses the variable. Only lines containing *JUST* the variable name would be found, which wouldn?t work. You could add code to analyze the line by replacing ?(? and ?) with space, then filter for ?*? && variableName && ?*?. Words at the end of the line would not be found however, so you would have to also filter for ?*? && variableName. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 23:09 , Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob, I think you would need to remove the astrisks otherwise if you have
> single letter variables (many use them as counters in repeat loops) or
> words that may appear in other words - lStart, lStartSearch - you could
> easy miss some.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Seems you could write a handler to do it pretty easily.
>> 
>> <pseudocode>
>> ? get stack script
>> ? find ?local ?
>> ? get word 2 of found line
>> ? filter with ?*? & word 2 of found line & ?*?
>> ? count number of lines. if only 1 then delete that line
>> ? get list of cards
>> ? repeat for every card
>> ? get card script
>> ? what I just said
>> ? get list of objects on card
>> ? repeat for every object on card
>> ? get script of object
>> ? do I have to repeat myself again??
>> </pseudocode>
>> 
>> It might be a little more complicated if you have multiple local variable
>> declarations, but not much.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 06:44 , Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I am using the strict compilation mode. When working over longer time on
>> a
>>> project it regularly happens that I have orphaned local variable
>>> declarations.
>>> 
>>> Actually they don't hurt, but I like to keep my code clean and wonder if
>>> there is any hidden feature, which checks for not any more needed local
>>> declarations (beside scripting a check myself)?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Tiemo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Jul  2 17:22:07 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:22:07 -0700
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <6FE8C379-F29E-4A27-9280-4DA072C4D7D8@wanadoo.fr>
References: <6FE8C379-F29E-4A27-9280-4DA072C4D7D8@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <5595AB7F.5000501@fourthworld.com>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

 > I sleep little, and so during the night, I plan out my stack
 > development, even to script layout, Next morning I code, and
 > find that I have done much of the debugging in my head, during
 > the night.
 >
 > Anybody out there got any strange quirks like mine ?

I've had surprisingly good luck with that myself.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul  2 17:30:18 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:30:18 +0000
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <6FE8C379-F29E-4A27-9280-4DA072C4D7D8@wanadoo.fr>
References: <6FE8C379-F29E-4A27-9280-4DA072C4D7D8@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <4F2FC915-C9A2-49C7-8448-A3300A58239A@iotecdigital.com>

Globals are problematic for me as I design stacks and cards to be modular, so two stacks with the same utility card for example, would be sharing globals. Instead, if I need persistent data, I use properties. I also do not use strict compilation. I have a naming system that prevents my ever using the same variable twice for different things in the same handler. Even in loops that use a counter, the counter variable is very specifically named. 

That being said, it occurs to me that the GLX2 script editor knows what is a variable because it color codes them, and also keeps track of them for the clairvoyance feature. Crack that code open to see how they do it, and that should give you a great way of tracking them yourself. 

Bob S


> On Jul 2, 2015, at 03:20 , Francis Nugent Dixon <effendi at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> 
> Hi from Beautiful Brittany (where it is raining, and there is a cool breeze,
> while the rest of France is in the high 30?s  :>))
> 
> In the same vein,
> 
> I declare all my variables ?global" in two ways ; the first which will remain
> when testing is finished (i.e.. passing info outside the script); the others
> which will be commented out after testing. If I return to this stack at a
> later date to modify it, I remove the comments until I have finished testing
> again. Whenever I ?invent? a variable, I always declare it global, either permanent
> or temporary, and so I cannot end up have unused variables.
> Declaring all variables as global, especially when I have some math in my
> scripts, running step by step (debug mode) helps check out my math
> easily and efficiently.
> All my variable names begin with ?GV" or ?LV? which helps me not to make
> mistakes. Its the stupid mistakes which add to development time.
> 
> Oh ! I forgot ! I sleep little, and so during the night, I plan out my stack
> development, even to script layout, Next morning I code, and find that I
> have done much of the debugging in my head, diring the night.
> 
> Anybody out there got any strange quirks like mine ? (more than 50 years
> of programming leaves deep scars ?. !!!).
> 
> -Francis
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul  2 17:31:50 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:31:50 +0000
Subject: Is there a shorter way?
In-Reply-To: <914760FF-2CF0-455C-8B27-FA9EEC227C05@gmail.com>
References: <EE35F580-E34D-40A4-814F-5067A666AC59@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5khNOxT8QdNjx1DZUxOcL3Mffb0agmE=D61xOzo++T1APA@mail.gmail.com>
	<914760FF-2CF0-455C-8B27-FA9EEC227C05@gmail.com>
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You mean textChanged don?t you? Probably just a typo.

Bob S


On Jul 2, 2015, at 04:13 , Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com<mailto:peterwawood at gmail.com>> wrote:

then activating its on changeText handler


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul  2 17:36:11 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:36:11 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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What might be handy is some kind of ?useTooltipIfEmpty? property. Then the end user would not need to parse the text to eliminate the ?call to action? from the real data before working with it, t hen adding the ?call to action? back when done. 

Bob S


> On Jul 2, 2015, at 08:28 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter Haworth wrote:
> 
>> So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty is the
>> only way round this?
>> 
>> Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try setting
>> the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to set its
>> label to some value.
> 
> With the OS X HIGs not nearly as complete as they used to be I can no longer find the relevant section on this, but I believe most HIGs suggest that we avoid giving the user the impression the control may be broken by replacing empty items with some explanation of why it's empty, or perhaps a disabled item simply saying "None".
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
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> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul  2 17:38:36 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 21:38:36 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>
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Because if you don?t set the label to empty, then the name of the control is displayed as the default choice. It looks like crap, and irritated me, so as a quick fix, I set mine to empty as well. There are times when there is no default choice, that any choice is as viable as the rest. 

Bob S


> On Jul 2, 2015, at 13:17 , Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
> As far as there being a "correct type of control", that's open to endless
> debate. :-)
> 
> From what you describe, there doesn't seem to be a need for a call to
> action -- this was suggested simply to address the case that a selection
> MUST be made for things to work.  Since this doesn't seem to be relevant
> in your situation, I would imagine you'd display a default option as the
> control label.
> 
> The bigger issue is why you have an empty option at all.  If that's a
> setting that a user can implement, the option should read something like
> "<no selection>" or "<empty>" or similar.  If the empty value is something
> pulled from a table that can't be acted upon, there's no need to include
> it in the list of options.
> 
> As always, I may be missing something. :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/2/15, 12:59 PM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
>> Interesting observation Scott.  Makes me wonder if I'm actually using the
>> correct type of menu.
>> 
>> For example, I might have an option menu which lists the names of tables
>> in
>> a database and another one that lists the columns in the selected table.
>> There's no "call to action" in that situation (other than to pick a table
>> and a column), so is an option menu the correct type of control according
>> to HIG?
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 10:00 AM Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Often, this type of control has a call to action such as "Choose an
>>> item",
>>> as opposed an indication "No selection".  It depends on the context of
>>> your control.  If a selection is required in your set up, the call to
>>> action is more communicative. Otherwise, if "No selection" is a valid
>>> selection then that type of message should work.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 7/2/15, 8:47 AM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Good point. For lots of reasons, the names of my option menus aren't
>>>> suitable for display to a user. Maybe the cleanest thing to do then
>>> is, if
>>>> the text of the menu is empty, set its label as suggested by Richard. I
>>>> like that. Most of the menus in question are under the control of a
>>>> behavior so this is easy to implement.
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015, 8:28 AM Richard Gaskin
>>> <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Haworth wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty
>>> is
>>>>> the
>>>>>> only way round this?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try
>>>>> setting
>>>>>> the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to
>>> set
>>>>> its
>>>>>> label to some value.
>>>>> 
>>>>> With the OS X HIGs not nearly as complete as they used to be I can no
>>>>> longer find the relevant section on this, but I believe most HIGs
>>>>> suggest that we avoid giving the user the impression the control may
>>> be
>>>>> broken by replacing empty items with some explanation of why it's
>>> empty,
>>>>> or perhaps a disabled item simply saying "None".
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>>>  Fourth World Systems
>>>>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the
>>> Web
>>>>> 
>>> ____________________________________________________________________
>>>>>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com
>>> http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>>>> 
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Jul  2 19:13:28 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:13:28 +1000
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPvaRt842KnMepJEBEEyL5OgGgVsWbUtaUvoOoyX7C07Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
	<A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>
	<BE44F63D-D64D-45A4-87F2-89A5F2CC54EA@sweattechnologies.com>
	<8AE9DB66-1BA5-4D8A-8369-29A9B022CA81@m-r-d.de>
	<E9895E33-8477-4B7B-9F31-4A3A51C2D2CD@sweattechnologies.com>
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> On 3 Jul 2015, at 12:06 am, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> On this topic - what is the best way to get an entire class of learners to
> be able to put an app they create together onto their tablet / smartphone?

If they are on android you can just put it in dropbox and share the url

--
M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/> 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul  2 19:41:23 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 23:41:23 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <EC86090C-40F7-4377-B068-B5AA0549053E@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
	<A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>
	<BE44F63D-D64D-45A4-87F2-89A5F2CC54EA@sweattechnologies.com>
	<8AE9DB66-1BA5-4D8A-8369-29A9B022CA81@m-r-d.de>
	<E9895E33-8477-4B7B-9F31-4A3A51C2D2CD@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAGASioPvaRt842KnMepJEBEEyL5OgGgVsWbUtaUvoOoyX7C07Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC86090C-40F7-4377-B068-B5AA0549053E@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <69D7A224-FA71-497D-AC22-09D475FF2813@iotecdigital.com>

In which case all your data are belonging to us. ;-)

Bob S


> On Jul 2, 2015, at 16:13 , Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 3 Jul 2015, at 12:06 am, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>> 
>> On this topic - what is the best way to get an entire class of learners to
>> be able to put an app they create together onto their tablet / smartphone?
> 
> If they are on android you can just put it in dropbox and share the url
> 
> --
> M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/> 
> Software development services
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> 
> mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!
> 
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From paul at livecode.org  Thu Jul  2 20:22:14 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:22:14 -0700
Subject: Combo Box Display Oddity
In-Reply-To: <A0997415-09F9-44D1-95B1-E89DF28E0784@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CC93DC8A-533D-4512-BFDE-4880F7AFD828@iotecdigital.com>
	<9158584F-4120-456B-A2F2-1FF22B09116B@livecode.org>
	<A0997415-09F9-44D1-95B1-E89DF28E0784@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F79F4143-D243-45BF-9F73-44CBC3250759@livecode.org>

Just tried on LC 6.7.6 and OS X 10.10.4 and with a little deeper testing I now see what you mean.

Originally I placed a Combo Box Button over an orange coloured graphic and the ?Box? part stayed white while the ?Tip? went partially transparent when disabled, that didn?t look too bad, but, now I just tried applying a green colour to the card and even though the Combo Box Button was over the top of the orange graphic, the text area now takes on the green colour of the card when it is disabled, that does look odd.

On the plus side, if you apply a white fill colour to the Combo Box Button the problem goes away.

I?m not too sure LC will see it as a bug, but I think it is, it also happens in LC 7.0.6 (rc3), so it?s worth reporting, if you don?t want to, just let me know and I?ll upload my test stack.

Paul

> On Jul 2, 2015, at 14:03, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> 6.7.2 on 10.10.3. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 17:54 , Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m not seeing this on Yosemite with LC 7.0.6 (rc3), what LC version and system are you seeing this on?
>> 
>> FWIW, I don?t see this as desired behaviour.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 17:01, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here?s an odd one. An opaque combo box becomes transparent when disabled and the background shows through. The quick fix is to set the blending to srcOrReverse, but why should I have to? Not complaining just asking if anyone else can reproduce this, and is this the desired behavior?
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Jul  2 20:53:54 2015
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:53:54 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <5BF3E657-8B82-4F25-AD7D-7C4C64100C33@elementarysoftware.com>

Monte,

The amount of time (and mouseclicks) mergdeploy has saved me in just one day is fantastic! I?m with Matthias. Subscribing to your mergExt collection is a decision I continue to be very pleased with. Thanks.

?
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
office     1-800-615-0867
------------------------------------------------------


> On 1 Jul 2015, at 8:31 pm, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> And even if i repeat here like a mantra from time to time, but subscribing to your mergExt suite was one of the best decisions I?ve made.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2015, at 9:50 PM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>> <snip>
> 
>> You can then click the Test button and it will install onto your device. Great for rapidly testing on a device where it counts.
>> 
>> This new plugin is available from mergExt.com <http://mergext.com/> for $9 or bundled in mergExt Complete which is now $940 worth of products for $299.
>> 
>> See http://mergext.com/plugins/mergdeploy/ <http://mergext.com/plugins/mergdeploy/> for more info.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Monte
>> 
>> --
>> M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/> 
>> Software development services
>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>> 
>> mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Jul  2 20:58:05 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 10:58:05 +1000
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <5BF3E657-8B82-4F25-AD7D-7C4C64100C33@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
	<5BF3E657-8B82-4F25-AD7D-7C4C64100C33@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <FE8D678E-AE28-4F05-AFC7-8CC055997445@sweattechnologies.com>


> On 3 Jul 2015, at 10:53 am, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> The amount of time (and mouseclicks) mergdeploy has saved me in just one day is fantastic! I?m with Matthias. Subscribing to your mergExt collection is a decision I continue to be very pleased with. Thanks.

Cheers Scott, if you are doing heavy testing of something that must be on a device to test then yes it can easily save you a billable amount of time.

Cheers

Monte

--
M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/> 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 23:07:10 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:07:10 +0800
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <553309B4-DE54-45A5-8165-16AFB6C0372A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<553309B4-DE54-45A5-8165-16AFB6C0372A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kgQHk3ni_1e3bjCZKa1ViV7HuNM9ptbO_fs=SNB43LEAw@mail.gmail.com>

I still can't invisage a situation where you'd want an empty option button.

If in Peter's example the first btn was a list of customers, and the second
button was a list of their invoices, if a customer has no invoices their
name shouldn't appear in the first button.

If on the the other hand the first btn is a list of customers and the
second btn has the possible options; invoices, email, phone, address which
then displays the relevant info in a fld. In this case if the customer has
no invoices then that is removed from the choices and Email happens to be
the displayed choice; if necessary the user chooses phone or address if
that's really what they want - if there is no obvious default choice the it
doesn't matter what you choose to display. Again, if the customer had no
invoices, no email, no phone and no address what kind of custromer are
they?? Either they should NOT appear in the first btn to start with, or the
2nd button choices should change to Enter Email, Enter Phone, Enter Address
for any instance where the info doesn't exist so again you wouldn't end up
with a button that is empty.

An empty btn, even if it's disabled, seems just wrong to me. If it really
is empty, set it to invisible.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 23:20:40 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:20:40 +0800
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <68A05D7B-9479-4415-8791-B70104F871B6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>
	<C9BCC15B-5897-4AD0-8084-ED35C3550C55@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kjvU1Mg_NC9iVu8xw=E2KVF6wZFy68YSqJHc1kiXF1n-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<68A05D7B-9479-4415-8791-B70104F871B6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjm+F3pPcDaQ=jGeKXUykmAZ7KD=_JLkHCDvo8qZZ-Zbw@mail.gmail.com>

Which proves the point that it isn't as easy as you first made out. As you
say, cracking the GLX2 code is probably the easiest route to take and I'd
be surprise if that code wasn't developed over a long period of time of
'discovering' odd edge cases cropping up here and there, that Jerry never
envisage in a single session of coding.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:18 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> If you remove the asterisks, you would fail to find any code that uses the
> variable. Only lines containing *JUST* the variable name would be found,
> which wouldn?t work. You could add code to analyze the line by replacing
> ?(? and ?) with space, then filter for ?*? && variableName && ?*?. Words at
> the end of the line would not be found however, so you would have to also
> filter for ?*? && variableName.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2015, at 23:09 , Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Bob, I think you would need to remove the astrisks otherwise if you have
> > single letter variables (many use them as counters in repeat loops) or
> > words that may appear in other words - lStart, lStartSearch - you could
> > easy miss some.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Seems you could write a handler to do it pretty easily.
> >>
> >> <pseudocode>
> >> ? get stack script
> >> ? find ?local ?
> >> ? get word 2 of found line
> >> ? filter with ?*? & word 2 of found line & ?*?
> >> ? count number of lines. if only 1 then delete that line
> >> ? get list of cards
> >> ? repeat for every card
> >> ? get card script
> >> ? what I just said
> >> ? get list of objects on card
> >> ? repeat for every object on card
> >> ? get script of object
> >> ? do I have to repeat myself again??
> >> </pseudocode>
> >>
> >> It might be a little more complicated if you have multiple local
> variable
> >> declarations, but not much.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 06:44 , Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I am using the strict compilation mode. When working over longer time
> on
> >> a
> >>> project it regularly happens that I have orphaned local variable
> >>> declarations.
> >>>
> >>> Actually they don't hurt, but I like to keep my code clean and wonder
> if
> >>> there is any hidden feature, which checks for not any more needed local
> >>> declarations (beside scripting a check myself)?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Tiemo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul  3 02:36:10 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 23:36:10 -0700
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjm+F3pPcDaQ=jGeKXUykmAZ7KD=_JLkHCDvo8qZZ-Zbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>	<C9BCC15B-5897-4AD0-8084-ED35C3550C55@iotecdigital.com>	<CA+uh5kjvU1Mg_NC9iVu8xw=E2KVF6wZFy68YSqJHc1kiXF1n-g@mail.gmail.com>	<68A05D7B-9479-4415-8791-B70104F871B6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kjm+F3pPcDaQ=jGeKXUykmAZ7KD=_JLkHCDvo8qZZ-Zbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55962D5A.5020702@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/02/2015 08:20 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
> Which proves the point that it isn't as easy as you first made out. As you
> say, cracking the GLX2 code is probably the easiest route to take and I'd
> be surprise if that code wasn't developed over a long period of time of
> 'discovering' odd edge cases cropping up here and there, that Jerry never
> envisage in a single session of coding.

Well, here's the easy part from glx2:

-- gather the script local variables
function getLocals pScript
   local tTemp, tLocals

   filter pScript with "local *"
   repeat for each line tLine in pScript
     put word 2 to -1 of tLine & cr after tTemp
   end repeat
   -- allow for multiple declarations in one line
   replace "," with cr in tTemp
   repeat for each line tLine in tTemp
     put word 1 of tLine & cr after tLocals
   end repeat
   chomp tLocals -- chomp is in the frontscript, removes trailing cr
   set the tLocals of this card to tLocals
end getLocals

-- here's the part that looks at usage (watch the lineWrap)

   --theHandler here could be the entire script of a single handler
   repeat for each line theLine in theHandler
     if word 1 to 3 of theLine is "repeat for each" then
       put word 5 of theLine into theWord
       if theTemps is empty then
         put theWord into theTemps
       else
         if theWord is not among the lines of theTemps then
           put cr & theWord after theTemps
         end if
       end if
       next repeat
     end if
     if "into" is among the words of theLine or "after" is among the 
words of theLine or "before" is among the words of theLine or word 1 of 
theLine is "repeat then
       put 0 into tWordNum
       repeat for each word theWord in theLine
         add 1 to tWordNum
         if char 1 of theWord is "#" or char 1 to 2 of theWord is "--" then
           exit repeat
         end if
         if char 1 of theWord is quote then
           if theTemps is empty then
             put theWord into theTemps
           else
             if theWord is not among the lines of theTemps then
               put cr & theWord after theTemps
             end if
           end if
           next repeat
         end if
         if theWord is among the items of "each,with,into,after,before" then
	  put word tWordNum+1 of theLine into theNextWord
           if "(" is in theNextWord then
             next repeat
           end if
           put token 1 of theNextWord into theNextWord
           if theNextWord is not among the lines of theTokens and 
theNExtWord is not empty then
             if "[" is in theNextWord then
               replace "[" with cr in theNextWord
               replace "]" with "" in theNextWord
             end if
             if theTemps is empty then
               put theNextWord into theTemps
             else
               if theNextWord is not among the lines of theTemps then
                 put cr & theNextWord after theTemps
               end if
             end if
           end if
         end if
       end repeat
     end if
   end repeat

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From david at viral.academy  Fri Jul  3 03:08:51 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:08:51 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <EC86090C-40F7-4377-B068-B5AA0549053E@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
	<A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>
	<BE44F63D-D64D-45A4-87F2-89A5F2CC54EA@sweattechnologies.com>
	<8AE9DB66-1BA5-4D8A-8369-29A9B022CA81@m-r-d.de>
	<E9895E33-8477-4B7B-9F31-4A3A51C2D2CD@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAGASioPvaRt842KnMepJEBEEyL5OgGgVsWbUtaUvoOoyX7C07Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC86090C-40F7-4377-B068-B5AA0549053E@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioO5Tf9HHN6JtCxY85U_Qzi+9swGTM0ur1rMPq_iof_BJw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Monte - what about for iOS. What is the latest on TestFlight and
their ilk?

On 3 July 2015 at 01:13, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:

>
> > On 3 Jul 2015, at 12:06 am, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> >
> > On this topic - what is the best way to get an entire class of learners
> to
> > be able to put an app they create together onto their tablet /
> smartphone?
>
> If they are on android you can just put it in dropbox and share the url
>
> --
> M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/>
> Software development services
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!
>
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From dfepstein at comcast.net  Fri Jul  3 08:25:49 2015
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 08:25:49 -0400
Subject: menu buttons and showname
Message-ID: <68C33F0B-C9F3-401B-9559-EFF72E09376F@comcast.net>

?Set the label of button myBtn to space? makes an option button appear blank but does not interfere with a user?s subsequent choice of an option.
While disabling the button or hiding the button are other ways of making clear that no option is in effect, an able but blank option button means that an option can be put into effect in one step, not requiring some other action that enables or shows the button.

David Epstein


From warren at warrensweb.us  Fri Jul  3 11:42:33 2015
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 10:42:33 -0500
Subject: atom editor and livecode server files syntax package available
Message-ID: <5596AD69.2040609@warrensweb.us>

For those of you who don't participate in the forums for whatever 
reason, but are interested in livecode server, forum user ghettocottage 
has converted the TextMate revigniter-livecode syntax module for the 
cross-platform Atom Text Editor and made it available to all. You can 
install it directly from Atom under Preferences>>Install (search 
packages "revigniter-livecode").

More information regarding Atom can be found here:

https://atom.io/

Warren



From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Jul  3 14:11:28 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:11:28 -0700
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <55962D5A.5020702@ahsoftware.net>
References: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>
	<C9BCC15B-5897-4AD0-8084-ED35C3550C55@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kjvU1Mg_NC9iVu8xw=E2KVF6wZFy68YSqJHc1kiXF1n-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<68A05D7B-9479-4415-8791-B70104F871B6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kjm+F3pPcDaQ=jGeKXUykmAZ7KD=_JLkHCDvo8qZZ-Zbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<55962D5A.5020702@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNmCH8uE1Vw5RFT8dtGr2y4G1vE=D=EyqZPj_+EJ6h4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Nice!  Only thing I don't see is dealing with block comments - the things
surrounded by "/*" and "*/" and possibly spanning several lines.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> On 07/02/2015 08:20 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>
>> Which proves the point that it isn't as easy as you first made out. As you
>> say, cracking the GLX2 code is probably the easiest route to take and I'd
>> be surprise if that code wasn't developed over a long period of time of
>> 'discovering' odd edge cases cropping up here and there, that Jerry never
>> envisage in a single session of coding.
>>
>
> Well, here's the easy part from glx2:
>
> -- gather the script local variables
> function getLocals pScript
>   local tTemp, tLocals
>
>   filter pScript with "local *"
>   repeat for each line tLine in pScript
>     put word 2 to -1 of tLine & cr after tTemp
>   end repeat
>   -- allow for multiple declarations in one line
>   replace "," with cr in tTemp
>   repeat for each line tLine in tTemp
>     put word 1 of tLine & cr after tLocals
>   end repeat
>   chomp tLocals -- chomp is in the frontscript, removes trailing cr
>   set the tLocals of this card to tLocals
> end getLocals
>
> -- here's the part that looks at usage (watch the lineWrap)
>
>   --theHandler here could be the entire script of a single handler
>   repeat for each line theLine in theHandler
>     if word 1 to 3 of theLine is "repeat for each" then
>       put word 5 of theLine into theWord
>       if theTemps is empty then
>         put theWord into theTemps
>       else
>         if theWord is not among the lines of theTemps then
>           put cr & theWord after theTemps
>         end if
>       end if
>       next repeat
>     end if
>     if "into" is among the words of theLine or "after" is among the words
> of theLine or "before" is among the words of theLine or word 1 of theLine
> is "repeat then
>       put 0 into tWordNum
>       repeat for each word theWord in theLine
>         add 1 to tWordNum
>         if char 1 of theWord is "#" or char 1 to 2 of theWord is "--" then
>           exit repeat
>         end if
>         if char 1 of theWord is quote then
>           if theTemps is empty then
>             put theWord into theTemps
>           else
>             if theWord is not among the lines of theTemps then
>               put cr & theWord after theTemps
>             end if
>           end if
>           next repeat
>         end if
>         if theWord is among the items of "each,with,into,after,before" then
>           put word tWordNum+1 of theLine into theNextWord
>           if "(" is in theNextWord then
>             next repeat
>           end if
>           put token 1 of theNextWord into theNextWord
>           if theNextWord is not among the lines of theTokens and
> theNExtWord is not empty then
>             if "[" is in theNextWord then
>               replace "[" with cr in theNextWord
>               replace "]" with "" in theNextWord
>             end if
>             if theTemps is empty then
>               put theNextWord into theTemps
>             else
>               if theNextWord is not among the lines of theTemps then
>                 put cr & theNextWord after theTemps
>               end if
>             end if
>           end if
>         end if
>       end repeat
>     end if
>   end repeat
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul  3 14:53:33 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 11:53:33 -0700
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNmCH8uE1Vw5RFT8dtGr2y4G1vE=D=EyqZPj_+EJ6h4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>	<C9BCC15B-5897-4AD0-8084-ED35C3550C55@iotecdigital.com>	<CA+uh5kjvU1Mg_NC9iVu8xw=E2KVF6wZFy68YSqJHc1kiXF1n-g@mail.gmail.com>	<68A05D7B-9479-4415-8791-B70104F871B6@iotecdigital.com>	<CA+uh5kjm+F3pPcDaQ=jGeKXUykmAZ7KD=_JLkHCDvo8qZZ-Zbw@mail.gmail.com>	<55962D5A.5020702@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eNmCH8uE1Vw5RFT8dtGr2y4G1vE=D=EyqZPj_+EJ6h4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5596DA2D.4090806@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/03/2015 11:11 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Nice!  Only thing I don't see is dealing with block comments - the things
> surrounded by "/*" and "*/" and possibly spanning several lines.

There's some DRY cleanup that could be done as well.
Feel free to make it better and submit the changes.
It's all on bitbucket, and unfortunately it's a LiveCode stack rather 
than text files so you can't submit git pull requests, but drop me a 
note or create an issue.

https://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2/wiki/Home

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Jul  3 15:04:00 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:04:00 -0700
Subject: Datagrid Form
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>

Can't believe I haven't used a datagrid form before but trying one for the
first time this morning, following the instructions in the dg manual.

Set the dg type to "form"
Edited the row template to include a couple of fields and a check box
Added a button that sets up an array keyed by the field/checkbox names with
some data in each key and sets the dgData of the dg
Edited the FillInData of the row behavior get the data and put it into the
fields/set the hilite of the checkbox
Clicked the button to populate the dg

Nothing.

Set a breakpoint at the start of the FillInData handler and tried again.

At the start of the handler, my fields and checkbox show up in the datagrid
with no data in them.  As each line is executed to put the data into them,
nothing shows in the datagrid.  Each line looks something like:

put pDataArray["Company"] into field "Company" of me

pDataArray has the correct values in each key

Continued stepping through and next comes the LayoutControl handler. I
haven't changed that yet.  Step through each line, nothing changes in the
datagrid.  After stepping over the end LayoutControl, my fields/checkbox
all disappear and no more code is executed.

LC 6.6.5, OSX 10.10




Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Jul  3 18:21:06 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 08:21:06 +1000
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioO5Tf9HHN6JtCxY85U_Qzi+9swGTM0ur1rMPq_iof_BJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>
	<A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>
	<BE44F63D-D64D-45A4-87F2-89A5F2CC54EA@sweattechnologies.com>
	<8AE9DB66-1BA5-4D8A-8369-29A9B022CA81@m-r-d.de>
	<E9895E33-8477-4B7B-9F31-4A3A51C2D2CD@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAGASioPvaRt842KnMepJEBEEyL5OgGgVsWbUtaUvoOoyX7C07Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC86090C-40F7-4377-B068-B5AA0549053E@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAGASioO5Tf9HHN6JtCxY85U_Qzi+9swGTM0ur1rMPq_iof_BJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0519868-3625-4732-AFAD-A53D2C0D4DD6@sweattechnologies.com>

I haven't played with test flight since apple ruined it. Maybe look at test fairy?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Jul 2015, at 5:08 pm, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Monte - what about for iOS. What is the latest on TestFlight and
> their ilk?



From sritcp at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 20:09:35 2015
From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 17:09:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Datagrid Form
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1435968575494-4693598.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Pete:

I'd like to see the code (stripped down version).

Also, did you try to manually refresh the datagrid and see (after stepping
over some code)?

Regards,
Sri




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From dochawk at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 20:54:29 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 17:54:29 -0700
Subject: "save as" of stack file from a script
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFCHpjgU+Mer=ZSiWymAo_nKG-eC8hVpYJLN4TVRJND=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Odd as it sounds, I want to do a "save as" of my stack from code, rather
than hitting a dialog box.

I have a prepCmpl routine to get the stack ready for building a
standalone.  I've previously set things up so that the various standalone
options are set to what I want based on the file name (primarily
versioning).

Now, I want to have stack mystack.150703a.livecode get renamed to
mystic.150703a.to_compile.livecode, at which point I'll start deleting
extraneous stacks and copying in a couple that it needs.

This was driven by shared routines as I'm writing the server, and the
moving of my custom dialog stack out of the mainstack.  When the
environment is "development", it loads the most recent version and uses it
as a library.  By being loaded, it can also call the dialog stack.

Oh, "open hidden stack something.someplace.livecode" seems to work,
although it's not in the dictionary.

Anyway, if anyone knows where "save as" goes so that I can set its options
and call it, it would be a great help.

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul  3 20:56:25 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:56:25 -0700
Subject: "save as" of stack file from a script
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFCHpjgU+Mer=ZSiWymAo_nKG-eC8hVpYJLN4TVRJND=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFCHpjgU+Mer=ZSiWymAo_nKG-eC8hVpYJLN4TVRJND=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55972F39.8090101@fourthworld.com>

Dr. Hawkins wrote:

 > Anyway, if anyone knows where "save as" goes so that I can set its
 > options and call it, it would be a great help.

A mainstack has a filename property, which can be set from the value 
returned from "ask file".  Follow that with a save command and you're done.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Jul  3 21:10:18 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 01:10:18 +0000
Subject: Datagrid Form
In-Reply-To: <1435968575494-4693598.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1435968575494-4693598.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN8bsN-4vxRCWgseMRWtDTibN5qiOPwBmLgGK=OwyDVHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sri,
Yes  I tried a refresh (from the Inspector palette for the datagrid),
didn't make any difference.

Here's my FillIInData code.

on FillInData pDataArray

   put pDataArray["Company Name"] into field "Company Name" of me
   put pDataArray["Address"] into field "Address" of me
   set the hilite of button "Customer" of me to pDataArray["Customer"]

end FillInData

As mentioned, pDataArray has the expected values in it's keys.

Here's my LayoutControl code.  I didn't reposition any of the controls but
left that one line in there since I wasn't sure if it was needed or not.

on LayoutControl pControlRect

   set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to pControlRect
end LayoutControl

Here's the code in my button to populate the datagrid.

on mouseUp

   local tData

   put "lcSQL Software" into tData[1]["Company Name"]
   put "PO Box 123" & return & "Soquel" & return & "CA 95073" & return &
"USA" into tData[1]["Address"]
   put true into tData[1]["Customer"]

   put "Mollys Revenge" into tData[2]["Company Name"]
   put "123 Some Street" & return & "Somewehere" & return & "OH 12345" &
return & "USA" into tData[2]["Address"]
   put false into tData[2]["Customer"]

   set the dgData of group "dgForm" to tData

end mouseUp


I can't attach screen shots (?) but as mentioned before, at the start of
the FIllInData handler, I see all the controls turn up in the datagrid so
I'm taking that to mean my customization of the row template is correct.
But I never see the data turn up as I step though each line in FillInData
and the controls all disappear when the "end LayoutControl" command is
executed.

I should also say that even the dgData I send to the datagrid has two sets
of data in it and I see FillInData called for both sets, I only ever see
one set of controls before the datagrid is celared.


On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:32 PM Sri <sritcp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Pete:
>
> I'd like to see the code (stripped down version).
>
> Also, did you try to manually refresh the datagrid and see (after stepping
> over some code)?
>
> Regards,
> Sri
>
>
>
>
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> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-Form-tp4693596p4693598.html
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Jul  3 21:13:53 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 01:13:53 +0000
Subject: "save as" of stack file from a script
In-Reply-To: <55972F39.8090101@fourthworld.com>
References: <CANQHZSFCHpjgU+Mer=ZSiWymAo_nKG-eC8hVpYJLN4TVRJND=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<55972F39.8090101@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNp5KpSnRZPJxVVW0RJkTsiLfs6CafyZzPGY1_KVb6=HA@mail.gmail.com>

What Richard said, except sounds like you know the filepath so just set the
filename to it.  Also be aware that when you "save as" the saved as version
of the file becomes the one you are working on not the version that was in
memory.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:56 PM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>
>  > Anyway, if anyone knows where "save as" goes so that I can set its
>  > options and call it, it would be a great help.
>
> A mainstack has a filename property, which can be set from the value
> returned from "ask file".  Follow that with a save command and you're done.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 22:31:29 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 20:31:29 -0600
Subject: Datagrid Form
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eN8bsN-4vxRCWgseMRWtDTibN5qiOPwBmLgGK=OwyDVHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1435968575494-4693598.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eN8bsN-4vxRCWgseMRWtDTibN5qiOPwBmLgGK=OwyDVHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrxJO0h=2QdGxTA2kovxZintgGDjH-OX2=Np7RtLoZw+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Silly question, but do you have the "cache controls" box checked in the
inspector for the datagrid?  If you uncheck it, and click the refresh
datagrid button, does the data show up?

If so, is there anywhere that you are manually telling the datagrid to
refresh in your code after the dg is populated?

Strangely, if Ihave "fixed control height" unchecked, and "cache controls"
checked, and refresh the datagrid, the datagrid will suddenly appear empty.
 checking fixed control height, or unchecking cache controls, will make it
show back up. (7.0.5)  But if I populate it using the button, it doesn't
seem to matter what is checked and what isn't, right up until a refresh is
done, hence the question about doing a refresh in your code somewhere.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Hi Sri,
> Yes  I tried a refresh (from the Inspector palette for the datagrid),
> didn't make any difference.
>
> Here's my FillIInData code.
>
> on FillInData pDataArray
>
>    put pDataArray["Company Name"] into field "Company Name" of me
>    put pDataArray["Address"] into field "Address" of me
>    set the hilite of button "Customer" of me to pDataArray["Customer"]
>
> end FillInData
>
> As mentioned, pDataArray has the expected values in it's keys.
>
> Here's my LayoutControl code.  I didn't reposition any of the controls but
> left that one line in there since I wasn't sure if it was needed or not.
>
> on LayoutControl pControlRect
>
>    set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to pControlRect
> end LayoutControl
>
> Here's the code in my button to populate the datagrid.
>
> on mouseUp
>
>    local tData
>
>    put "lcSQL Software" into tData[1]["Company Name"]
>    put "PO Box 123" & return & "Soquel" & return & "CA 95073" & return &
> "USA" into tData[1]["Address"]
>    put true into tData[1]["Customer"]
>
>    put "Mollys Revenge" into tData[2]["Company Name"]
>    put "123 Some Street" & return & "Somewehere" & return & "OH 12345" &
> return & "USA" into tData[2]["Address"]
>    put false into tData[2]["Customer"]
>
>    set the dgData of group "dgForm" to tData
>
> end mouseUp
>
>
> I can't attach screen shots (?) but as mentioned before, at the start of
> the FIllInData handler, I see all the controls turn up in the datagrid so
> I'm taking that to mean my customization of the row template is correct.
> But I never see the data turn up as I step though each line in FillInData
> and the controls all disappear when the "end LayoutControl" command is
> executed.
>
> I should also say that even the dgData I send to the datagrid has two sets
> of data in it and I see FillInData called for both sets, I only ever see
> one set of controls before the datagrid is celared.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:32 PM Sri <sritcp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Pete:
> >
> > I'd like to see the code (stripped down version).
> >
> > Also, did you try to manually refresh the datagrid and see (after
> stepping
> > over some code)?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> >
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-Form-tp4693596p4693598.html
> > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul  3 22:41:33 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 21:41:33 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Super quick and easy deployment to plugged in iOS devices
In-Reply-To: <D0519868-3625-4732-AFAD-A53D2C0D4DD6@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <E9ECD329-6F31-4829-B147-B880D3E3E945@sweattechnologies.com>	<A3C75A74-D5D0-4633-A845-DA6ACAA74240@m-r-d.de>	<BE44F63D-D64D-45A4-87F2-89A5F2CC54EA@sweattechnologies.com>	<8AE9DB66-1BA5-4D8A-8369-29A9B022CA81@m-r-d.de>	<E9895E33-8477-4B7B-9F31-4A3A51C2D2CD@sweattechnologies.com>	<CAGASioPvaRt842KnMepJEBEEyL5OgGgVsWbUtaUvoOoyX7C07Q@mail.gmail.com>	<EC86090C-40F7-4377-B068-B5AA0549053E@sweattechnologies.com>	<CAGASioO5Tf9HHN6JtCxY85U_Qzi+9swGTM0ur1rMPq_iof_BJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0519868-3625-4732-AFAD-A53D2C0D4DD6@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <559747DD.1060005@hyperactivesw.com>

On 3 Jul 2015, at 5:08 pm, David Bovill<david at viral.academy>  wrote:
>
>Thanks Monte - what about for iOS. What is the latest on TestFlight and
>their ilk?

I hesitate to suggest AirLaunch because I don't know how it would work 
with Apple's new personal testing mode. But if you're willing to have an 
Apple developer account and submit all the UUIDs for your student 
devices, it would work. That may be more than you want to mess with though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Jul  3 22:48:42 2015
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 19:48:42 -0700
Subject: Datagrid Form
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eN8bsN-4vxRCWgseMRWtDTibN5qiOPwBmLgGK=OwyDVHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>	<1435968575494-4693598.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eN8bsN-4vxRCWgseMRWtDTibN5qiOPwBmLgGK=OwyDVHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5597498A.5090904@pdslabs.net>

Hi Pete,

Try commenting out all the code inside your 'LayoutControl' handler and 
see if that changes your outcomes. Using the code you posted here, I was 
able to build a DG and populate two rows, but I commented out the 
layoutControl code for the test.

Best -
Phil Davis


On 7/3/15 6:10 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Hi Sri,
> Yes  I tried a refresh (from the Inspector palette for the datagrid),
> didn't make any difference.
>
> Here's my FillIInData code.
>
> on FillInData pDataArray
>
>     put pDataArray["Company Name"] into field "Company Name" of me
>     put pDataArray["Address"] into field "Address" of me
>     set the hilite of button "Customer" of me to pDataArray["Customer"]
>
> end FillInData
>
> As mentioned, pDataArray has the expected values in it's keys.
>
> Here's my LayoutControl code.  I didn't reposition any of the controls but
> left that one line in there since I wasn't sure if it was needed or not.
>
> on LayoutControl pControlRect
>
>     set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to pControlRect
> end LayoutControl
>
> Here's the code in my button to populate the datagrid.
>
> on mouseUp
>
>     local tData
>
>     put "lcSQL Software" into tData[1]["Company Name"]
>     put "PO Box 123" & return & "Soquel" & return & "CA 95073" & return &
> "USA" into tData[1]["Address"]
>     put true into tData[1]["Customer"]
>
>     put "Mollys Revenge" into tData[2]["Company Name"]
>     put "123 Some Street" & return & "Somewehere" & return & "OH 12345" &
> return & "USA" into tData[2]["Address"]
>     put false into tData[2]["Customer"]
>
>     set the dgData of group "dgForm" to tData
>
> end mouseUp
>
>
> I can't attach screen shots (?) but as mentioned before, at the start of
> the FIllInData handler, I see all the controls turn up in the datagrid so
> I'm taking that to mean my customization of the row template is correct.
> But I never see the data turn up as I step though each line in FillInData
> and the controls all disappear when the "end LayoutControl" command is
> executed.
>
> I should also say that even the dgData I send to the datagrid has two sets
> of data in it and I see FillInData called for both sets, I only ever see
> one set of controls before the datagrid is celared.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:32 PM Sri <sritcp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pete:
>>
>> I'd like to see the code (stripped down version).
>>
>> Also, did you try to manually refresh the datagrid and see (after stepping
>> over some code)?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-Form-tp4693596p4693598.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 23:24:03 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 20:24:03 -0700
Subject: "save as" of stack file from a script
In-Reply-To: <55972F39.8090101@fourthworld.com>
References: <CANQHZSFCHpjgU+Mer=ZSiWymAo_nKG-eC8hVpYJLN4TVRJND=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<55972F39.8090101@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGghfpNtWVoy9NKtsoQdxfJUPX4NsWx9yDhS6dxKu4heA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> A mainstack has a filename property, which can be set from the value
> returned from "ask file".  Follow that with a save command and you're done.


Wow.  That easy.  And it turns out that save can even take a filename
argument . . .

So it now slices & dices quite nicely.

I then made two more procedures to help update/move along.

My files end up with path/names like

someBaseDir/yymm/yymmdd/baseProgName.yymmdda.livecode


where the "a" in the advancing letter subversion.

So this procedure now bumps the version without leaving the ice


*on* bmpVrsn

   *--bump the version by a letter*



   *local* oldFlNm, newFlNm

   *save* this stack


   *put* the filename of stack (the mainstack of this stack ) into newFlNm

   *put* numToChar(charToNum(char -10 of newFlNm)+1) into char -10 of
newFlNm

   *save* this stack as newFlNm



*end* bmpVrsn


and this one is for when it opens, to see if it's new day, and to make any
needed directories and but the name:

*on* ckVersDat

   *--to be used when opening.   Change the file if it is not from today*



   *local* today, year, month, day

   *local* oldYear, oldMonth, oldDay

   *local* oldFilNm, newFilNm



   *put* the long date into today

   *convert* today to dateitems



   *put* char 3 to 4 of the first item of today into year

   *put*  char -2 to -1 of ("0" & item 2 of today) into month

   *put* char -2 to -1 of ("0" & item 3 of today) into day



   *put* year & month & day into today



   *put* the fileName of stack (the mainStack of this stack) into oldFilNm



   *--figure out the old file dates*

   *set* the itemDel to "/"



   *if* item -2 of oldFilNm = today *then*

      *--it is the same day*

     * exit ckVersDat*

   *end* *if*





   *put* char 1 to 2 of item -2 of oldFilNm into oldYear

   *put* char 3 to 4 item -2 of oldFilNm into oldMonth

   *put* char 5 to 6 of item -2 of oldFilNm into oldDay



   *put* item 1 to -4 of oldFilNm & "/" & year & month into newFilNm

   *if* there is not a folder newFilNm *then*

      *create* folder newFilNm

   *end* *if*



   *put* "/" & today after newFilNm

   *if* there is not a folder newFilNm *then*

      *create* folder newFilNm

   *end* *if*



   *put* "/" & char 1 to -17 of item -1 of oldFilNm & today & "a.livecode"
after newFilNm

   *if* there is not a file newFilNm *then*

      *save* this stack as newFilNm

   *else*

      *get* dhbkAnswr ("There is already a file", newFilNm)

   *end* *if*

*end* ckVersDat


Now I just need to find the routine to cause a standalone to compile . . .

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 03:56:15 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:56:15 +0300
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <5593EB0A.8010707@livecode.com>
References: <5593EB0A.8010707@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <5597919F.10306@gmail.com>

On 01/07/15 16:28, Sebastien Nouat wrote:
> Dear List Members,
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.6 and 7.0.6 
> Stable. This release is a stable release, in which all the bugs fixed 
> in the .6 versions are now stable. The list of bugs fixed in those 
> versions can be found in the Release Notes (in the RC 1, RC 2 and RC 
> 3-specific bug fixes).
>

Pleased or not, 6.7.6 final does NOT run on my 32 bit Linux box:

Xubuntu 32 bit, 15.04, 6 GB RAM

Installed 6.7.6 as "You Only"

Richmond.



From t.heaford at icloud.com  Sat Jul  4 04:06:21 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 09:06:21 +0100
Subject: SQLite total vs sum
Message-ID: <82A8E3EA-6C96-4069-A972-01BDD6DE4DB1@icloud.com>

I have come across this situation in an app and the solution seems to be to use total(X) rather than sum(X).

Comments on the correct way forward from any sqlite aficionados please. I suppose if necessary I could test the value returned by sum(X) but it does seem easier to use total(X).

The reason for the question is because in the sqlite blurb refers to total(X) as non-standard.

"sum(X)
total(X)
The sum() and total() aggregate functions return sum of all non-NULL values in the group. If there are no non-NULL input rows then sum() returns NULL but total() returns 0.0. NULL is not normally a helpful result for the sum of no rows but the SQL standard requires it and most other SQL database engines implement sum() that way so SQLite does it in the same way in order to be compatible. The non-standard total() function is provided as a convenient way to work around this design problem in the SQL language.

The result of total() is always a floating point value. The result of sum() is an integer value if all non-NULL inputs are integers. If any input to sum() is neither an integer or a NULL then sum() returns a floating point value which might be an approximation to the true sum.
Sum() will throw an "integer overflow" exception if all inputs are integers or NULL and an integer overflow occurs at any point during the computation. Total() never throws an integer overflow."


All the best

Terry


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 04:47:38 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:47:38 +0300
Subject: Jumping Jack Flash
Message-ID: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com>

One of the children on my Summer course was having 'problems' with 
animating a 'person'
to jump [ think "Super Mario"].

Well, I don't know what he is doing this weekend, but it took me all of 
15 minutes to knock together a basic walker-cum-jumper:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tyt4o1md51bfair/AABThCCgJkqLQvz1e-NRQGg7a?dl=0 File: 
Walker.zip

HOWEVER, there is a slight snag insofar as that having been bashing the 
left arrowKey, when I bash the up arrowKey (to generate a jump),
the character jumps, but then continues to execute the code stored from 
my pressing the left or right key for far too long than is
necessary.

The same thing happens if I press the left key repeatedly, then the 
right key once.

SO, what I need is some sort of INTERRUPT code so that when I press a 
new arrowKey all previous information fed by my key bashing gets lost.

Richmond.



From paul at researchware.com  Sat Jul  4 08:10:15 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 08:10:15 -0400
Subject: Jumping Jack Flash
In-Reply-To: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com>
References: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>

On 7/4/2015 4:47 AM, Richmond wrote:
> One of the children on my Summer course was having 'problems' with
> animating a 'person'
> to jump [ think "Super Mario"].
>
> Well, I don't know what he is doing this weekend, but it took me all
> of 15 minutes to knock together a basic walker-cum-jumper:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tyt4o1md51bfair/AABThCCgJkqLQvz1e-NRQGg7a?dl=0
> File: Walker.zip
>
> HOWEVER, there is a slight snag insofar as that having been bashing
> the left arrowKey, when I bash the up arrowKey (to generate a jump),
> the character jumps, but then continues to execute the code stored
> from my pressing the left or right key for far too long than is
> necessary.
>
> The same thing happens if I press the left key repeatedly, then the
> right key once.
>
> SO, what I need is some sort of INTERRUPT code so that when I press a
> new arrowKey all previous information fed by my key bashing gets lost.

flush the pendingMessages of the queued arrowKey messages you no longer
want (see 'the pendingMessages' and 'cancel' entries in the dictionary)




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 09:04:09 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 07:04:09 -0600
Subject: Jumping Jack Flash
In-Reply-To: <5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>
References: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com>
	<5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp5Bwe76yfaj0J_9rtTS-7gCZ02FPn1M87hFzZdfp4KjA@mail.gmail.com>

Heres an alternate method if you're interested.  It removes the need to
worry about repeat rates and overqueued messages.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/Walker.livecode

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:

> On 7/4/2015 4:47 AM, Richmond wrote:
> > One of the children on my Summer course was having 'problems' with
> > animating a 'person'
> > to jump [ think "Super Mario"].
> >
> > Well, I don't know what he is doing this weekend, but it took me all
> > of 15 minutes to knock together a basic walker-cum-jumper:
> >
> >
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tyt4o1md51bfair/AABThCCgJkqLQvz1e-NRQGg7a?dl=0
> > File: Walker.zip
> >
> > HOWEVER, there is a slight snag insofar as that having been bashing
> > the left arrowKey, when I bash the up arrowKey (to generate a jump),
> > the character jumps, but then continues to execute the code stored
> > from my pressing the left or right key for far too long than is
> > necessary.
> >
> > The same thing happens if I press the left key repeatedly, then the
> > right key once.
> >
> > SO, what I need is some sort of INTERRUPT code so that when I press a
> > new arrowKey all previous information fed by my key bashing gets lost.
>
> flush the pendingMessages of the queued arrowKey messages you no longer
> want (see 'the pendingMessages' and 'cancel' entries in the dictionary)
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 09:05:28 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 07:05:28 -0600
Subject: Jumping Jack Flash
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSp5Bwe76yfaj0J_9rtTS-7gCZ02FPn1M87hFzZdfp4KjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com> <5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>
	<CAG1cpSp5Bwe76yfaj0J_9rtTS-7gCZ02FPn1M87hFzZdfp4KjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpbsSqc4pU0XiToVzucjxgi==KiBgc6pHrctnNO4nDffw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh.  The button at the top is a toggle to turn things on and off.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Heres an alternate method if you're interested.  It removes the need to
> worry about repeat rates and overqueued messages.
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/Walker.livecode
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/4/2015 4:47 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> > One of the children on my Summer course was having 'problems' with
>> > animating a 'person'
>> > to jump [ think "Super Mario"].
>> >
>> > Well, I don't know what he is doing this weekend, but it took me all
>> > of 15 minutes to knock together a basic walker-cum-jumper:
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tyt4o1md51bfair/AABThCCgJkqLQvz1e-NRQGg7a?dl=0
>> > File: Walker.zip
>> >
>> > HOWEVER, there is a slight snag insofar as that having been bashing
>> > the left arrowKey, when I bash the up arrowKey (to generate a jump),
>> > the character jumps, but then continues to execute the code stored
>> > from my pressing the left or right key for far too long than is
>> > necessary.
>> >
>> > The same thing happens if I press the left key repeatedly, then the
>> > right key once.
>> >
>> > SO, what I need is some sort of INTERRUPT code so that when I press a
>> > new arrowKey all previous information fed by my key bashing gets lost.
>>
>> flush the pendingMessages of the queued arrowKey messages you no longer
>> want (see 'the pendingMessages' and 'cancel' entries in the dictionary)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 09:08:36 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:08:36 +0300
Subject: Jumping Jack Flash
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSp5Bwe76yfaj0J_9rtTS-7gCZ02FPn1M87hFzZdfp4KjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com>	<5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>
	<CAG1cpSp5Bwe76yfaj0J_9rtTS-7gCZ02FPn1M87hFzZdfp4KjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5597DAD4.50605@gmail.com>

On 04/07/15 16:04, Mike Bonner wrote:
> Heres an alternate method if you're interested.  It removes the need to
> worry about repeat rates and overqueued messages.
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/Walker.livecode
>
>

That's clever stuff.

In fact a bit too clever for something I can lob back to a kid who is on 
his 4th week of programming :/

Thank you very much.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 09:09:19 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:09:19 +0300
Subject: Jumping Jack Flash
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpbsSqc4pU0XiToVzucjxgi==KiBgc6pHrctnNO4nDffw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com>
	<5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>	<CAG1cpSp5Bwe76yfaj0J_9rtTS-7gCZ02FPn1M87hFzZdfp4KjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpbsSqc4pU0XiToVzucjxgi==KiBgc6pHrctnNO4nDffw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5597DAFF.3010107@gmail.com>

On 04/07/15 16:05, Mike Bonner wrote:
> Oh.  The button at the top is a toggle to turn things on and off.
>
>

So I discovered.

As I said; very clever.

Richmond.



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 09:29:01 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 07:29:01 -0600
Subject: Jumping Jack Flash
In-Reply-To: <5597DAD4.50605@gmail.com>
References: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com> <5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>
	<CAG1cpSp5Bwe76yfaj0J_9rtTS-7gCZ02FPn1M87hFzZdfp4KjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5597DAD4.50605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqsvbxRJa+bJDASRKYDjFp6kH2VSy7Muz3Zyqv1bF6jaQ@mail.gmail.com>

It actually seems simpler to me, but that's just familiarity. If you can
figure out a good way to teach your students to grok gameloops, they are
pretty handy.

Pauls answer is probably best, do what you can to clear the
pendingmessages.

Good luck, if I think of a simple way to solve the problem, i'll post it.


On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 7:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 04/07/15 16:04, Mike Bonner wrote:
>
>> Heres an alternate method if you're interested.  It removes the need to
>> worry about repeat rates and overqueued messages.
>>
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/Walker.livecode
>>
>>
>>
> That's clever stuff.
>
> In fact a bit too clever for something I can lob back to a kid who is on
> his 4th week of programming :/
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 11:11:54 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 18:11:54 +0300
Subject: Jumping Jack Flash
In-Reply-To: <5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>
References: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com> <5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5597F7BA.4040202@gmail.com>

On 04/07/15 15:10, Paul Dupuis wrote:
> On 7/4/2015 4:47 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> One of the children on my Summer course was having 'problems' with
>> animating a 'person'
>> to jump [ think "Super Mario"].
>>
>> Well, I don't know what he is doing this weekend, but it took me all
>> of 15 minutes to knock together a basic walker-cum-jumper:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tyt4o1md51bfair/AABThCCgJkqLQvz1e-NRQGg7a?dl=0
>> File: Walker.zip
>>
>> HOWEVER, there is a slight snag insofar as that having been bashing
>> the left arrowKey, when I bash the up arrowKey (to generate a jump),
>> the character jumps, but then continues to execute the code stored
>> from my pressing the left or right key for far too long than is
>> necessary.
>>
>> The same thing happens if I press the left key repeatedly, then the
>> right key once.
>>
>> SO, what I need is some sort of INTERRUPT code so that when I press a
>> new arrowKey all previous information fed by my key bashing gets lost.
> flush the pendingMessages of the queued arrowKey messages you no longer
> want (see 'the pendingMessages' and 'cancel' entries in the dictionary)
>
>
>

Well, I tried flushEvents("all"), flushEvents("keyDown"), 
flushEvents("autoKey")
to no effect . . .

Mind you, I am not sure if I can understand what the dictionary says 
about flushEvents,
or maybe the fact is that the entry really isn't comprehensive.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 11:14:30 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 18:14:30 +0300
Subject: Jumping Jack Flash
In-Reply-To: <5597F7BA.4040202@gmail.com>
References: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com> <5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>
	<5597F7BA.4040202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5597F856.5000107@gmail.com>

On 04/07/15 18:11, Richmond wrote:
> On 04/07/15 15:10, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>> On 7/4/2015 4:47 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>> One of the children on my Summer course was having 'problems' with
>>> animating a 'person'
>>> to jump [ think "Super Mario"].
>>>
>>> Well, I don't know what he is doing this weekend, but it took me all
>>> of 15 minutes to knock together a basic walker-cum-jumper:
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tyt4o1md51bfair/AABThCCgJkqLQvz1e-NRQGg7a?dl=0 
>>>
>>> File: Walker.zip
>>>
>>> HOWEVER, there is a slight snag insofar as that having been bashing
>>> the left arrowKey, when I bash the up arrowKey (to generate a jump),
>>> the character jumps, but then continues to execute the code stored
>>> from my pressing the left or right key for far too long than is
>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> The same thing happens if I press the left key repeatedly, then the
>>> right key once.
>>>
>>> SO, what I need is some sort of INTERRUPT code so that when I press a
>>> new arrowKey all previous information fed by my key bashing gets lost.
>> flush the pendingMessages of the queued arrowKey messages you no longer
>> want (see 'the pendingMessages' and 'cancel' entries in the dictionary)
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well, I tried flushEvents("all"), flushEvents("keyDown"), 
> flushEvents("autoKey")
> to no effect . . .
>
> Mind you, I am not sure if I can understand what the dictionary says 
> about flushEvents,
> or maybe the fact is that the entry really isn't comprehensive.
>
> Richmond.

Here I go again - replying to my own posting.

I think that what I really need is a way to stop the arrowKeys from 
auto-repeating [ hmm; what's flushEvents("autoKey") for? ].

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 11:20:40 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 18:20:40 +0300
Subject: Jumping Jack Flash
In-Reply-To: <5597F856.5000107@gmail.com>
References: <55979DAA.6050404@gmail.com> <5597CD27.2020606@researchware.com>
	<5597F7BA.4040202@gmail.com> <5597F856.5000107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5597F9C8.2020507@gmail.com>

On 04/07/15 18:14, Richmond wrote:
> On 04/07/15 18:11, Richmond wrote:
>> On 04/07/15 15:10, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>>> On 7/4/2015 4:47 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>>> One of the children on my Summer course was having 'problems' with
>>>> animating a 'person'
>>>> to jump [ think "Super Mario"].
>>>>
>>>> Well, I don't know what he is doing this weekend, but it took me all
>>>> of 15 minutes to knock together a basic walker-cum-jumper:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tyt4o1md51bfair/AABThCCgJkqLQvz1e-NRQGg7a?dl=0 
>>>>
>>>> File: Walker.zip
>>>>
>>>> HOWEVER, there is a slight snag insofar as that having been bashing
>>>> the left arrowKey, when I bash the up arrowKey (to generate a jump),
>>>> the character jumps, but then continues to execute the code stored
>>>> from my pressing the left or right key for far too long than is
>>>> necessary.
>>>>
>>>> The same thing happens if I press the left key repeatedly, then the
>>>> right key once.
>>>>
>>>> SO, what I need is some sort of INTERRUPT code so that when I press a
>>>> new arrowKey all previous information fed by my key bashing gets lost.
>>> flush the pendingMessages of the queued arrowKey messages you no longer
>>> want (see 'the pendingMessages' and 'cancel' entries in the dictionary)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, I tried flushEvents("all"), flushEvents("keyDown"), 
>> flushEvents("autoKey")
>> to no effect . . .
>>
>> Mind you, I am not sure if I can understand what the dictionary says 
>> about flushEvents,
>> or maybe the fact is that the entry really isn't comprehensive.
>>
>> Richmond.
>
> Here I go again - replying to my own posting.
>
> I think that what I really need is a way to stop the arrowKeys from 
> auto-repeating [ hmm; what's flushEvents("autoKey") for? ].
>
> Richmond.

I AM a SLOW LEARNER!

I put "pass arrowKey" into all my loops, and "Bingo" . . . .

Of course it does mean that any game-player using the thing will get 
repetitive finger syndrome.

Richmond.



From peter.brett at livecode.com  Sat Jul  4 11:43:00 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 17:43:00 +0200
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <5597919F.10306@gmail.com>
References: <5593EB0A.8010707@livecode.com> <5597919F.10306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7062b3bd1a4753b11ecb20fc4827ce6d@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-04 09:56, Richmond wrote:
> On 01/07/15 16:28, Sebastien Nouat wrote:
>> Dear List Members,
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.6 and 7.0.6 
>> Stable. This release is a stable release, in which all the bugs fixed 
>> in the .6 versions are now stable. The list of bugs fixed in those 
>> versions can be found in the Release Notes (in the RC 1, RC 2 and RC 
>> 3-specific bug fixes).
>> 
> 
> Pleased or not, 6.7.6 final does NOT run on my 32 bit Linux box:
> 
> Xubuntu 32 bit, 15.04, 6 GB RAM
> 
> Installed 6.7.6 as "You Only"
> 

Hi Richmond,

I'm sorry to hear that you're having trouble.

To make sure that this problem doesn't get lost in the backlog over the 
weekend, could you please file a bug report?  One of the team will then 
look into it on Monday.  If we find a problem, we can make sure that a 
fix makes it into 6.7.7 RC 1.

Have a great weekend,

                             Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Jul  4 12:18:58 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:18:58 +0000
Subject: SQLite total vs sum
In-Reply-To: <82A8E3EA-6C96-4069-A972-01BDD6DE4DB1@icloud.com>
References: <82A8E3EA-6C96-4069-A972-01BDD6DE4DB1@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMU1ghFs9gvZJfDRfHu6XRy83khS_=+H45C6qh54ZaDiQ@mail.gmail.com>

I lot depends on your application and whether you might want to move to
another SQL implementation in the future.  If you think you might move, I
would define a default value of zero for the columns you plan on summing
and use (sum).  That still leaves the issue of integer overflow but you can
probably work out if that is likely to be an issue for your application.

If you're 100% sure you won;t move to another SQL implementation, I'd go
with total().


On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 1:06 AM Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:

> I have come across this situation in an app and the solution seems to be
> to use total(X) rather than sum(X).
>
> Comments on the correct way forward from any sqlite aficionados please. I
> suppose if necessary I could test the value returned by sum(X) but it does
> seem easier to use total(X).
>
> The reason for the question is because in the sqlite blurb refers to
> total(X) as non-standard.
>
> "sum(X)
> total(X)
> The sum() and total() aggregate functions return sum of all non-NULL
> values in the group. If there are no non-NULL input rows then sum() returns
> NULL but total() returns 0.0. NULL is not normally a helpful result for the
> sum of no rows but the SQL standard requires it and most other SQL database
> engines implement sum() that way so SQLite does it in the same way in order
> to be compatible. The non-standard total() function is provided as a
> convenient way to work around this design problem in the SQL language.
>
> The result of total() is always a floating point value. The result of
> sum() is an integer value if all non-NULL inputs are integers. If any input
> to sum() is neither an integer or a NULL then sum() returns a floating
> point value which might be an approximation to the true sum.
> Sum() will throw an "integer overflow" exception if all inputs are
> integers or NULL and an integer overflow occurs at any point during the
> computation. Total() never throws an integer overflow."
>
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Jul  4 12:23:43 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:23:43 +0000
Subject: "save as" of stack file from a script
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGghfpNtWVoy9NKtsoQdxfJUPX4NsWx9yDhS6dxKu4heA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFCHpjgU+Mer=ZSiWymAo_nKG-eC8hVpYJLN4TVRJND=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<55972F39.8090101@fourthworld.com>
	<CANQHZSGghfpNtWVoy9NKtsoQdxfJUPX4NsWx9yDhS6dxKu4heA@mail.gmail.com>
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*dispatch* "revSaveAsStandalone" to stack "revSaveAsStandalone" with
"<yourstackname>"

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 8:24 PM Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > A mainstack has a filename property, which can be set from the value
> > returned from "ask file".  Follow that with a save command and you're
> done.
>
>
> Wow.  That easy.  And it turns out that save can even take a filename
> argument . . .
>
> So it now slices & dices quite nicely.
>
> I then made two more procedures to help update/move along.
>
> My files end up with path/names like
>
> someBaseDir/yymm/yymmdd/baseProgName.yymmdda.livecode
>
>
> where the "a" in the advancing letter subversion.
>
> So this procedure now bumps the version without leaving the ice
>
>
> *on* bmpVrsn
>
>    *--bump the version by a letter*
>
>
>
>    *local* oldFlNm, newFlNm
>
>    *save* this stack
>
>
>    *put* the filename of stack (the mainstack of this stack ) into newFlNm
>
>    *put* numToChar(charToNum(char -10 of newFlNm)+1) into char -10 of
> newFlNm
>
>    *save* this stack as newFlNm
>
>
>
> *end* bmpVrsn
>
>
> and this one is for when it opens, to see if it's new day, and to make any
> needed directories and but the name:
>
> *on* ckVersDat
>
>    *--to be used when opening.   Change the file if it is not from today*
>
>
>
>    *local* today, year, month, day
>
>    *local* oldYear, oldMonth, oldDay
>
>    *local* oldFilNm, newFilNm
>
>
>
>    *put* the long date into today
>
>    *convert* today to dateitems
>
>
>
>    *put* char 3 to 4 of the first item of today into year
>
>    *put*  char -2 to -1 of ("0" & item 2 of today) into month
>
>    *put* char -2 to -1 of ("0" & item 3 of today) into day
>
>
>
>    *put* year & month & day into today
>
>
>
>    *put* the fileName of stack (the mainStack of this stack) into oldFilNm
>
>
>
>    *--figure out the old file dates*
>
>    *set* the itemDel to "/"
>
>
>
>    *if* item -2 of oldFilNm = today *then*
>
>       *--it is the same day*
>
>      * exit ckVersDat*
>
>    *end* *if*
>
>
>
>
>
>    *put* char 1 to 2 of item -2 of oldFilNm into oldYear
>
>    *put* char 3 to 4 item -2 of oldFilNm into oldMonth
>
>    *put* char 5 to 6 of item -2 of oldFilNm into oldDay
>
>
>
>    *put* item 1 to -4 of oldFilNm & "/" & year & month into newFilNm
>
>    *if* there is not a folder newFilNm *then*
>
>       *create* folder newFilNm
>
>    *end* *if*
>
>
>
>    *put* "/" & today after newFilNm
>
>    *if* there is not a folder newFilNm *then*
>
>       *create* folder newFilNm
>
>    *end* *if*
>
>
>
>    *put* "/" & char 1 to -17 of item -1 of oldFilNm & today & "a.livecode"
> after newFilNm
>
>    *if* there is not a file newFilNm *then*
>
>       *save* this stack as newFilNm
>
>    *else*
>
>       *get* dhbkAnswr ("There is already a file", newFilNm)
>
>    *end* *if*
>
> *end* ckVersDat
>
>
> Now I just need to find the routine to cause a standalone to compile . . .
>
> --
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> (702) 508-8462
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Jul  4 12:26:10 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:26:10 +0000
Subject: Datagrid Form
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References: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1435968575494-4693598.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eN8bsN-4vxRCWgseMRWtDTibN5qiOPwBmLgGK=OwyDVHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrxJO0h=2QdGxTA2kovxZintgGDjH-OX2=Np7RtLoZw+Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Cache controls is off and I'm not refreshing the datagrid anywhere in my
code.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 7:31 PM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Silly question, but do you have the "cache controls" box checked in the
> inspector for the datagrid?  If you uncheck it, and click the refresh
> datagrid button, does the data show up?
>
> If so, is there anywhere that you are manually telling the datagrid to
> refresh in your code after the dg is populated?
>
> Strangely, if Ihave "fixed control height" unchecked, and "cache controls"
> checked, and refresh the datagrid, the datagrid will suddenly appear empty.
>  checking fixed control height, or unchecking cache controls, will make it
> show back up. (7.0.5)  But if I populate it using the button, it doesn't
> seem to matter what is checked and what isn't, right up until a refresh is
> done, hence the question about doing a refresh in your code somewhere.
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sri,
> > Yes  I tried a refresh (from the Inspector palette for the datagrid),
> > didn't make any difference.
> >
> > Here's my FillIInData code.
> >
> > on FillInData pDataArray
> >
> >    put pDataArray["Company Name"] into field "Company Name" of me
> >    put pDataArray["Address"] into field "Address" of me
> >    set the hilite of button "Customer" of me to pDataArray["Customer"]
> >
> > end FillInData
> >
> > As mentioned, pDataArray has the expected values in it's keys.
> >
> > Here's my LayoutControl code.  I didn't reposition any of the controls
> but
> > left that one line in there since I wasn't sure if it was needed or not.
> >
> > on LayoutControl pControlRect
> >
> >    set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to pControlRect
> > end LayoutControl
> >
> > Here's the code in my button to populate the datagrid.
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >
> >    local tData
> >
> >    put "lcSQL Software" into tData[1]["Company Name"]
> >    put "PO Box 123" & return & "Soquel" & return & "CA 95073" & return &
> > "USA" into tData[1]["Address"]
> >    put true into tData[1]["Customer"]
> >
> >    put "Mollys Revenge" into tData[2]["Company Name"]
> >    put "123 Some Street" & return & "Somewehere" & return & "OH 12345" &
> > return & "USA" into tData[2]["Address"]
> >    put false into tData[2]["Customer"]
> >
> >    set the dgData of group "dgForm" to tData
> >
> > end mouseUp
> >
> >
> > I can't attach screen shots (?) but as mentioned before, at the start of
> > the FIllInData handler, I see all the controls turn up in the datagrid so
> > I'm taking that to mean my customization of the row template is correct.
> > But I never see the data turn up as I step though each line in FillInData
> > and the controls all disappear when the "end LayoutControl" command is
> > executed.
> >
> > I should also say that even the dgData I send to the datagrid has two
> sets
> > of data in it and I see FillInData called for both sets, I only ever see
> > one set of controls before the datagrid is celared.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:32 PM Sri <sritcp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Pete:
> > >
> > > I'd like to see the code (stripped down version).
> > >
> > > Also, did you try to manually refresh the datagrid and see (after
> > stepping
> > > over some code)?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Sri
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> > >
> >
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-Form-tp4693596p4693598.html
> > > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 12:27:24 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:27:24 +0300
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <7062b3bd1a4753b11ecb20fc4827ce6d@livecode.com>
References: <5593EB0A.8010707@livecode.com> <5597919F.10306@gmail.com>
	<7062b3bd1a4753b11ecb20fc4827ce6d@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <5598096C.3060208@gmail.com>

On 04/07/15 18:43, Peter TB Brett wrote:
> On 2015-07-04 09:56, Richmond wrote:
>> On 01/07/15 16:28, Sebastien Nouat wrote:
>>> Dear List Members,
>>>
>>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.6 and 7.0.6 
>>> Stable. This release is a stable release, in which all the bugs 
>>> fixed in the .6 versions are now stable. The list of bugs fixed in 
>>> those versions can be found in the Release Notes (in the RC 1, RC 2 
>>> and RC 3-specific bug fixes).
>>>
>>
>> Pleased or not, 6.7.6 final does NOT run on my 32 bit Linux box:
>>
>> Xubuntu 32 bit, 15.04, 6 GB RAM
>>
>> Installed 6.7.6 as "You Only"
>>
>
> Hi Richmond,
>
> I'm sorry to hear that you're having trouble.
>
> To make sure that this problem doesn't get lost in the backlog over 
> the weekend, could you please file a bug report?  One of the team will 
> then look into it on Monday.  If we find a problem, we can make sure 
> that a fix makes it into 6.7.7 RC 1.
>
> Have a great weekend,
>
>                             Peter
>

Bug report 15574

Hope your weekend is also relatively bug free.

Richmond.



From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Jul  4 12:37:35 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:37:35 +0000
Subject: Datagrid Form
In-Reply-To: <5597498A.5090904@pdslabs.net>
References: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1435968575494-4693598.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eN8bsN-4vxRCWgseMRWtDTibN5qiOPwBmLgGK=OwyDVHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5597498A.5090904@pdslabs.net>
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Hi Phil,
I commented out the LayoutControl code but still no joy.  Wonder why it
works for you.  Would you mind sending me your version of the stack
offline?

I think the problems start before LayoutControl since even when I step thru
the code with debugger, none of the data values turn up in the dg fields.

The only thing left is perhaps an issue with how I set up the row
template.  Its structure looks like this:

group "Row Template"
   graphic "Background"
   field "Company Name"
   field "Address"
   button "Customer"


Looks different than the template for a dg table but I think that's
expected.  I also checked it against the row template for the Datagrid
Sampler stack that's in one of the online lessons for datagrids and it
looks exactly the same except for the fact the the group is named "Record
Template" not "Row Template" but I doubt that makes any difference.

One thing I did notice is that the default template had a field named
"Label" which was referenced in a couple of places in the behavior script.
I removed it and commented out all references to it in the script since it
didn't seem to serve any purpose.  In fact, I'm not sure why a template
behavior script would include a reference to any field, especially by name.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 7:49 PM Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Hi Pete,
>
> Try commenting out all the code inside your 'LayoutControl' handler and
> see if that changes your outcomes. Using the code you posted here, I was
> able to build a DG and populate two rows, but I commented out the
> layoutControl code for the test.
>
> Best -
> Phil Davis
>
>
> On 7/3/15 6:10 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > Hi Sri,
> > Yes  I tried a refresh (from the Inspector palette for the datagrid),
> > didn't make any difference.
> >
> > Here's my FillIInData code.
> >
> > on FillInData pDataArray
> >
> >     put pDataArray["Company Name"] into field "Company Name" of me
> >     put pDataArray["Address"] into field "Address" of me
> >     set the hilite of button "Customer" of me to pDataArray["Customer"]
> >
> > end FillInData
> >
> > As mentioned, pDataArray has the expected values in it's keys.
> >
> > Here's my LayoutControl code.  I didn't reposition any of the controls
> but
> > left that one line in there since I wasn't sure if it was needed or not.
> >
> > on LayoutControl pControlRect
> >
> >     set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to pControlRect
> > end LayoutControl
> >
> > Here's the code in my button to populate the datagrid.
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >
> >     local tData
> >
> >     put "lcSQL Software" into tData[1]["Company Name"]
> >     put "PO Box 123" & return & "Soquel" & return & "CA 95073" & return &
> > "USA" into tData[1]["Address"]
> >     put true into tData[1]["Customer"]
> >
> >     put "Mollys Revenge" into tData[2]["Company Name"]
> >     put "123 Some Street" & return & "Somewehere" & return & "OH 12345" &
> > return & "USA" into tData[2]["Address"]
> >     put false into tData[2]["Customer"]
> >
> >     set the dgData of group "dgForm" to tData
> >
> > end mouseUp
> >
> >
> > I can't attach screen shots (?) but as mentioned before, at the start of
> > the FIllInData handler, I see all the controls turn up in the datagrid so
> > I'm taking that to mean my customization of the row template is correct.
> > But I never see the data turn up as I step though each line in FillInData
> > and the controls all disappear when the "end LayoutControl" command is
> > executed.
> >
> > I should also say that even the dgData I send to the datagrid has two
> sets
> > of data in it and I see FillInData called for both sets, I only ever see
> > one set of controls before the datagrid is celared.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:32 PM Sri <sritcp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Pete:
> >>
> >> I'd like to see the code (stripped down version).
> >>
> >> Also, did you try to manually refresh the datagrid and see (after
> stepping
> >> over some code)?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sri
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-Form-tp4693596p4693598.html
> >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
> Phil Davis
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  4 13:57:21 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:57:21 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <5598096C.3060208@gmail.com>
References: <5593EB0A.8010707@livecode.com>
	<5597919F.10306@gmail.com>	<7062b3bd1a4753b11ecb20fc4827ce6d@livecode.com>
	<5598096C.3060208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55981E81.4050800@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/04/2015 09:27 AM, Richmond wrote:

> Bug report 15574

I tried to add info to the bug report, but the quality center is down 
right now. I managed to launch both commercial and community 6.7.6 
builds on my 64-bit linux Mint 17 system. I've never been able to launch 
from the installer window, and I've rather given up trying. I have 
noticed that the first launch after install always fails, and hangs with 
the symptom you described, and then the second launch works properly.

I also noticed, and when the quality center returns from the dead I'll 
file a bug report on this, that both versions of 6.7.6 load *all* the 
livecode stacks in my home directory into memory. This is new behavior, 
as 6.7.5 doesn't do this, and I can't think of a reason why this would 
be desirable behavior.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  4 14:06:35 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:06:35 -0700
Subject: stackfileversion
Message-ID: <559820AB.2070808@ahsoftware.net>

Could someone with a working LC 8.x tell me what the latest 
stackfileversion is? I'm attempting to future-proof some code and LC 8.0 
is non-functional on linux. The Release Notes.pdf that comes with LC 8.0 
is amusing in a nostalgic sort of way but otherwise not much help.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From vclement at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 14:08:27 2015
From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:08:27 -0700
Subject: Datagrid Form
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP6oXhZLpPiGZNEWe7qB0bbeWVTbJMZFDc0fPS43s1En5y9_eg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pete

Aren't you using datagrids in the SQLMagic interface? I have DataGrid
Helper and it greatly helped building DataGrids.

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

On Target Solutions LLC (Support)
On Target Solutions LLC Website: http://www.ontargetsolutions.biz
Email: ontargetsolutions at yahoo.com
Skype: vaughn.clement

FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
Ph. 928-254-9062


On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Can't believe I haven't used a datagrid form before but trying one for the
> first time this morning, following the instructions in the dg manual.
>
> Set the dg type to "form"
> Edited the row template to include a couple of fields and a check box
> Added a button that sets up an array keyed by the field/checkbox names with
> some data in each key and sets the dgData of the dg
> Edited the FillInData of the row behavior get the data and put it into the
> fields/set the hilite of the checkbox
> Clicked the button to populate the dg
>
> Nothing.
>
> Set a breakpoint at the start of the FillInData handler and tried again.
>
> At the start of the handler, my fields and checkbox show up in the datagrid
> with no data in them.  As each line is executed to put the data into them,
> nothing shows in the datagrid.  Each line looks something like:
>
> put pDataArray["Company"] into field "Company" of me
>
> pDataArray has the correct values in each key
>
> Continued stepping through and next comes the LayoutControl handler. I
> haven't changed that yet.  Step through each line, nothing changes in the
> datagrid.  After stepping over the end LayoutControl, my fields/checkbox
> all disappear and no more code is executed.
>
> LC 6.6.5, OSX 10.10
>
>
>
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jul  4 14:15:14 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 20:15:14 +0200
Subject: stackfileversion
In-Reply-To: <559820AB.2070808@ahsoftware.net>
References: <559820AB.2070808@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <76BDB46B-9F8B-4F22-8C90-D337E279A3A9@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Am 04.07.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>:
> 
> Could someone with a working LC 8.x tell me what the latest stackfileversion is? I'm attempting to future-proof some code and LC 8.0 is non-functional on linux. The Release Notes.pdf that comes with LC 8.0 is amusing in a nostalgic sort of way but otherwise not much help.

according to TextEdit it is still REVO7000 with LC 8 dp 2.

> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Jul  4 14:20:58 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 20:20:58 +0200
Subject: stackfileversion
In-Reply-To: <76BDB46B-9F8B-4F22-8C90-D337E279A3A9@major-k.de>
References: <559820AB.2070808@ahsoftware.net>
	<76BDB46B-9F8B-4F22-8C90-D337E279A3A9@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <997E383D-2B3E-41CA-8CF9-E7F9C13D7305@major-k.de>


> Am 04.07.2015 um 20:15 schrieb Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de>:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
>> Am 04.07.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>:
>> 
>> Could someone with a working LC 8.x tell me what the latest stackfileversion is? I'm attempting to future-proof some code and LC 8.0 is non-functional on linux. The Release Notes.pdf that comes with LC 8.0 is amusing in a nostalgic sort of way but otherwise not much help.
> 
> according to TextEdit it is still REVO7000 with LC 8 dp 2.

Oppps, sory, stackfileversion is also still -> 7.0

>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 14:32:53 2015
From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 14:32:53 -0400
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
Message-ID: <CAGV_Z3AM2GRi7tOF79q42zv8Cr+ORfC6pt0qXV2XnyQagsv4Rw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm looking for any open-source software that helps to manage wiki pages
and a wiki site with LiveCode.

A long time ago there was a tiny bit of chatter about someone working to
make an interface or something that would allow for plugging content into
wikis via LiveCode.

I have to make 200+ new wiki home pages for our camper kids and would love
to have a script that was done in LiveCode to talk with the wiki server.

Perhaps it is simple, but not so much for me.

Thanks for the pointers, if they exist.

--
Ta.


Mark Rauterkus       Mark at Rauterkus.com
PPS Summer Dreamers' Swim & Water Polo Camp Executive Coach
Varsity Boys Swim Coach, Pittsburgh Obama Academy
Recent Head Water Polo Coach, Carnegie Mellon University Women's Club Team
Pittsburgh Combined Water Polo Team

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412 298 3432 = cell


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 14:46:35 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 21:46:35 +0300
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <55981E81.4050800@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5593EB0A.8010707@livecode.com> <5597919F.10306@gmail.com>
	<7062b3bd1a4753b11ecb20fc4827ce6d@livecode.com>
	<5598096C.3060208@gmail.com> <55981E81.4050800@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <55982A0B.3050101@gmail.com>

On 04/07/15 20:57, Mark Wieder wrote:
> On 07/04/2015 09:27 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Bug report 15574
>
> I tried to add info to the bug report, but the quality center is down 
> right now. I managed to launch both commercial and community 6.7.6 
> builds on my 64-bit linux Mint 17 system. I've never been able to 
> launch from the installer window, and I've rather given up trying. I 
> have noticed that the first launch after install always fails, and 
> hangs with the symptom you described, and then the second launch works 
> properly.

I have noticed that as well. However, I tried 6.7.6 about 10 times with 
the same result.

Oddly enough my slobbishness in not upgrading to 64 bit Linux has paid 
off . . . at least in terms of bug-spotting.
>
> I also noticed, and when the quality center returns from the dead I'll 
> file a bug report on this, that both versions of 6.7.6 load *all* the 
> livecode stacks in my home directory into memory. This is new 
> behavior, as 6.7.5 doesn't do this, and I can't think of a reason why 
> this would be desirable behavior.
>

That sounds awful: especially if one is trying to run 6.7.6 on a machine 
with limited RAM.

I am having no such problems with 7.0.6

------------------------------------------------

Now for a fairly naive question, but possibly not half as daft as it seems:

What is the point of the 6.7 series when the 7.0 series is 
up-and-running smoothly?

Are there features in the 6.7 series that have not yet been incorporated 
into the 7.0 series? (seems unlikely and slightly odd).

-------------------------------------------------

I have been recently extremely impressed in the way Unicode is handled 
in the 7.0 series having been teaching children how to
build "typewriters" for no-Latin writing systems: 
https://www.facebook.com/RMLCclasses

To the extent that I cannot understand why anybody wanting to leverage 
the Unicode writing system would bother
with any version of LiveCode before the 7.0 series.

--------------------------------------------------

Richmond.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 14:47:56 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 21:47:56 +0300
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
Message-ID: <55982A5C.6010602@gmail.com>

Seems to be 'down' or stuck, or something, "Me dears".

Richmond.



From gagsoft at iafrica.com  Sat Jul  4 15:00:33 2015
From: gagsoft at iafrica.com (Peter Gagiano)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 21:00:33 +0200
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
In-Reply-To: <55982A5C.6010602@gmail.com>
References: <55982A5C.6010602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC3A052C-091C-46DA-96BE-EA0BF8AF19C1@iafrica.com>

It does not open on my side either.
I thought I had a slow connection.

Peter G




> On 04 Jul 2015, at 8:47 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Seems to be 'down' or stuck, or something, "Me dears".
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Jul  4 15:05:10 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:05:10 +0000
Subject: Datagrid Form
In-Reply-To: <CAP6oXhZLpPiGZNEWe7qB0bbeWVTbJMZFDc0fPS43s1En5y9_eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP6oXhZLpPiGZNEWe7qB0bbeWVTbJMZFDc0fPS43s1En5y9_eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOVNCNtkQjJYn+JVSEEb+25_EgrEjuNY5wxp0D4UmRQXw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, but only tables so far.  Looking into adding support for forms.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 11:08 AM Vaughn Clement <vclement at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Pete
>
> Aren't you using datagrids in the SQLMagic interface? I have DataGrid
> Helper and it greatly helped building DataGrids.
>
> Thank you
>
> Vaughn Clement
>
> On Target Solutions LLC (Support)
> On Target Solutions LLC Website: http://www.ontargetsolutions.biz
> Email: ontargetsolutions at yahoo.com
> Skype: vaughn.clement
>
> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
> Ph. 928-254-9062
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > Can't believe I haven't used a datagrid form before but trying one for
> the
> > first time this morning, following the instructions in the dg manual.
> >
> > Set the dg type to "form"
> > Edited the row template to include a couple of fields and a check box
> > Added a button that sets up an array keyed by the field/checkbox names
> with
> > some data in each key and sets the dgData of the dg
> > Edited the FillInData of the row behavior get the data and put it into
> the
> > fields/set the hilite of the checkbox
> > Clicked the button to populate the dg
> >
> > Nothing.
> >
> > Set a breakpoint at the start of the FillInData handler and tried again.
> >
> > At the start of the handler, my fields and checkbox show up in the
> datagrid
> > with no data in them.  As each line is executed to put the data into
> them,
> > nothing shows in the datagrid.  Each line looks something like:
> >
> > put pDataArray["Company"] into field "Company" of me
> >
> > pDataArray has the correct values in each key
> >
> > Continued stepping through and next comes the LayoutControl handler. I
> > haven't changed that yet.  Step through each line, nothing changes in the
> > datagrid.  After stepping over the end LayoutControl, my fields/checkbox
> > all disappear and no more code is executed.
> >
> > LC 6.6.5, OSX 10.10
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > _______________________________________________
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  4 15:23:06 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 12:23:06 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <55982A0B.3050101@gmail.com>
References: <5593EB0A.8010707@livecode.com>
	<5597919F.10306@gmail.com>	<7062b3bd1a4753b11ecb20fc4827ce6d@livecode.com>	<5598096C.3060208@gmail.com>
	<55981E81.4050800@ahsoftware.net> <55982A0B.3050101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5598329A.5000008@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/04/2015 11:46 AM, Richmond wrote:

> Now for a fairly naive question, but possibly not half as daft as it seems:
>
> What is the point of the 6.7 series when the 7.0 series is
> up-and-running smoothly?

Just my experience, but I find the 7.0 releases slow and buggy on linux. 
The binaries are huge and by extension create huge standalone apps. 
While it's nice to have 64-bit binaries because they run much faster 
than their 32-bit equivalents, I just roll my own 64-bit versions of the 
6.x builds and I'm happy.

>
> Are there features in the 6.7 series that have not yet been incorporated
> into the 7.0 series? (seems unlikely and slightly odd).

No, quite the opposite. I *am* annoyed that some of the additions I've 
contributed to the engine have not made it into the 6.7 branch.

> I have been recently extremely impressed in the way Unicode is handled
> in the 7.0 series having been teaching children how to
> build "typewriters" for no-Latin writing systems:
> https://www.facebook.com/RMLCclasses

If you need the unicode enhancements, then there's no choice... 7.x is 
the way to go.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul  4 15:25:01 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 12:25:01 -0700
Subject: stackfileversion
In-Reply-To: <997E383D-2B3E-41CA-8CF9-E7F9C13D7305@major-k.de>
References: <559820AB.2070808@ahsoftware.net>	<76BDB46B-9F8B-4F22-8C90-D337E279A3A9@major-k.de>
	<997E383D-2B3E-41CA-8CF9-E7F9C13D7305@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <5598330D.2060509@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/04/2015 11:20 AM, Klaus major-k wrote:

>> according to TextEdit it is still REVO7000 with LC 8 dp 2.
>
> Oppps, sory, stackfileversion is also still -> 7.0

Thanks. Yeah, I had opened a stack with 0xEd and seen the header, but I 
wasn't sure if the stackfileversion was staying the same as well.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From jiml at netrin.com  Sat Jul  4 16:17:03 2015
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:17:03 -0700
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5881.1436037905.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.5881.1436037905.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8A6C7A9C-7755-4C1F-B0FB-8C1B95DC4B2A@netrin.com>

Down here (LA) too.
Jim Lambert



From paul at researchware.com  Sat Jul  4 16:45:37 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:45:37 -0400
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
In-Reply-To: <8A6C7A9C-7755-4C1F-B0FB-8C1B95DC4B2A@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.5881.1436037905.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<8A6C7A9C-7755-4C1F-B0FB-8C1B95DC4B2A@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <559845F1.5040206@researchware.com>

On 7/4/2015 4:17 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:
> Down here (LA) too.
> Jim Lambert
livecode.com is working fine for me as of this email (US Northeast)



From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Jul  4 16:50:55 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 20:50:55 +0000
Subject: Datagrid Form [Solved]
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePp0dO=SGW3k17O9pnm8J56Q8huGyAf8LQYgxOYzX9_rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP7=9hxCxWQ=v6stb1g4G7cFF-TN-ni8pKW6HjsD2KHyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1435968575494-4693598.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eN8bsN-4vxRCWgseMRWtDTibN5qiOPwBmLgGK=OwyDVHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrxJO0h=2QdGxTA2kovxZintgGDjH-OX2=Np7RtLoZw+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePp0dO=SGW3k17O9pnm8J56Q8huGyAf8LQYgxOYzX9_rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNjy3PPBJf15hLQJi+kMgec4DWHywDeOCh_-8HMO+v42w@mail.gmail.com>

OK, mystery solved.  I had to set the "empty row height" property of the
datagrid (in the Inspector) to the height of the row template.  As soon as
I did that, all works fine.

I'm not sure why I needed to do that.  The Datagrid manual includes this in
its description of the dgProps["row height"]:

  "If this property is not set for a form whose 'fixed control height' is
true then the record template group height is used."
 Anyway, I'm happy now.

Pete

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:26 AM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Cache controls is off and I'm not refreshing the datagrid anywhere in my
> code.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 7:31 PM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Silly question, but do you have the "cache controls" box checked in the
>> inspector for the datagrid?  If you uncheck it, and click the refresh
>> datagrid button, does the data show up?
>>
>> If so, is there anywhere that you are manually telling the datagrid to
>> refresh in your code after the dg is populated?
>>
>> Strangely, if Ihave "fixed control height" unchecked, and "cache controls"
>> checked, and refresh the datagrid, the datagrid will suddenly appear
>> empty.
>>  checking fixed control height, or unchecking cache controls, will make it
>> show back up. (7.0.5)  But if I populate it using the button, it doesn't
>> seem to matter what is checked and what isn't, right up until a refresh is
>> done, hence the question about doing a refresh in your code somewhere.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Sri,
>> > Yes  I tried a refresh (from the Inspector palette for the datagrid),
>> > didn't make any difference.
>> >
>> > Here's my FillIInData code.
>> >
>> > on FillInData pDataArray
>> >
>> >    put pDataArray["Company Name"] into field "Company Name" of me
>> >    put pDataArray["Address"] into field "Address" of me
>> >    set the hilite of button "Customer" of me to pDataArray["Customer"]
>> >
>> > end FillInData
>> >
>> > As mentioned, pDataArray has the expected values in it's keys.
>> >
>> > Here's my LayoutControl code.  I didn't reposition any of the controls
>> but
>> > left that one line in there since I wasn't sure if it was needed or not.
>> >
>> > on LayoutControl pControlRect
>> >
>> >    set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to pControlRect
>> > end LayoutControl
>> >
>> > Here's the code in my button to populate the datagrid.
>> >
>> > on mouseUp
>> >
>> >    local tData
>> >
>> >    put "lcSQL Software" into tData[1]["Company Name"]
>> >    put "PO Box 123" & return & "Soquel" & return & "CA 95073" & return &
>> > "USA" into tData[1]["Address"]
>> >    put true into tData[1]["Customer"]
>> >
>> >    put "Mollys Revenge" into tData[2]["Company Name"]
>> >    put "123 Some Street" & return & "Somewehere" & return & "OH 12345" &
>> > return & "USA" into tData[2]["Address"]
>> >    put false into tData[2]["Customer"]
>> >
>> >    set the dgData of group "dgForm" to tData
>> >
>> > end mouseUp
>> >
>> >
>> > I can't attach screen shots (?) but as mentioned before, at the start of
>> > the FIllInData handler, I see all the controls turn up in the datagrid
>> so
>> > I'm taking that to mean my customization of the row template is correct.
>> > But I never see the data turn up as I step though each line in
>> FillInData
>> > and the controls all disappear when the "end LayoutControl" command is
>> > executed.
>> >
>> > I should also say that even the dgData I send to the datagrid has two
>> sets
>> > of data in it and I see FillInData called for both sets, I only ever see
>> > one set of controls before the datagrid is celared.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 5:32 PM Sri <sritcp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Pete:
>> > >
>> > > I'd like to see the code (stripped down version).
>> > >
>> > > Also, did you try to manually refresh the datagrid and see (after
>> > stepping
>> > > over some code)?
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Sri
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > View this message in context:
>> > >
>> >
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Datagrid-Form-tp4693596p4693598.html
>> > > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> > >
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Sat Jul  4 17:03:34 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 22:03:34 +0100
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
In-Reply-To: <559845F1.5040206@researchware.com>
References: <mailman.5881.1436037905.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>,
	<8A6C7A9C-7755-4C1F-B0FB-8C1B95DC4B2A@netrin.com>,
	<559845F1.5040206@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W140FA3F406ED2FE4E45CF1AED950@phx.gbl>

livecode.com is down in the UK

> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:45:37 -0400
> From: paul at researchware.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
> 
> On 7/4/2015 4:17 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:
> > Down here (LA) too.
> > Jim Lambert
> livecode.com is working fine for me as of this email (US Northeast)
> 
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Sat Jul  4 17:05:19 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 22:05:19 +0100
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W140FA3F406ED2FE4E45CF1AED950@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.5881.1436037905.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, ,
	<8A6C7A9C-7755-4C1F-B0FB-8C1B95DC4B2A@netrin.com>, ,
	<559845F1.5040206@researchware.com>,
	<DUB114-W140FA3F406ED2FE4E45CF1AED950@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W1400C3A49EEF8FBB68D95DAED950@phx.gbl>

the forum too...

> From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: RE: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 22:03:34 +0100
> 
> livecode.com is down in the UK
> 
> > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 16:45:37 -0400
> > From: paul at researchware.com
> > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Subject: Re: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
> > 
> > On 7/4/2015 4:17 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:
> > > Down here (LA) too.
> > > Jim Lambert
> > livecode.com is working fine for me as of this email (US Northeast)
> > 
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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sat Jul  4 16:27:54 2015
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:27:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
In-Reply-To: <559845F1.5040206@researchware.com>
References: <55982A5C.6010602@gmail.com>
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livecode.com has been a bit of a yo-yo for the last day or so - up, down, up,
down, up - and currently, down

Dave



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From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Jul  4 18:38:41 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 22:38:41 +0000
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
In-Reply-To: <1436041674300-4693639.post@n4.nabble.com>
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I don't think I've been involved with Livecode long enough to know the
answer to this but why did Livecode get into the web hosting business?  I
hope it's profitable for them because it seems to cause them a lot of
problems.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
wrote:

> livecode.com has been a bit of a yo-yo for the last day or so - up, down,
> up,
> down, up - and currently, down
>
> Dave
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Jul  4 20:48:08 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 02:48:08 +0200
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO+fEjWgZm+13jHmcTqsG10TnthUSMJJsjqdh-KOBLmqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55982A5C.6010602@gmail.com>	<8A6C7A9C-7755-4C1F-B0FB-8C1B95DC4B2A@netrin.com>	<559845F1.5040206@researchware.com>	<1436041674300-4693639.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Hi Peter,

There was a time when LiveCode server was only available as part of the 
LiveCode hosting package. It looks like RunRev wanted to find out if 
this was a money maker. It also looks like it wasn't.

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On 7/5/2015 00:38, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I don't think I've been involved with Livecode long enough to know the
> answer to this but why did Livecode get into the web hosting business?  I
> hope it's profitable for them because it seems to cause them a lot of
> problems.
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
> wrote:
>
>> livecode.com has been a bit of a yo-yo for the last day or so - up, down,
>> up,
>> down, up - and currently, down
>>
>> Dave




From t.heaford at icloud.com  Sun Jul  5 03:02:24 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 08:02:24 +0100
Subject: SQLite total vs sum
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMU1ghFs9gvZJfDRfHu6XRy83khS_=+H45C6qh54ZaDiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <82A8E3EA-6C96-4069-A972-01BDD6DE4DB1@icloud.com>
	<CAGDT7eMU1ghFs9gvZJfDRfHu6XRy83khS_=+H45C6qh54ZaDiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33FAD45C-72E5-44E9-82CF-D56E3E367238@icloud.com>

Thanks for your observations. Will stick with total() for now.

All the best

Terry

> On 4 Jul 2015, at 17:18, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> I lot depends on your application and whether you might want to move to
> another SQL implementation in the future.  If you think you might move, I
> would define a default value of zero for the columns you plan on summing
> and use (sum).  That still leaves the issue of integer overflow but you can
> probably work out if that is likely to be an issue for your application.
> 
> If you're 100% sure you won;t move to another SQL implementation, I'd go
> with total().



From peterwawood at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 04:46:36 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 16:46:36 +0800
Subject: Problem with arrayDecode
Message-ID: <795E4B79-182F-4D5F-A979-211582082D4B@gmail.com>

I am having problems with encoding and decoding an array when I save the encoded data to a file and read it back. Here is a simple LiveCode Server script that shows the issue:

	#coding:utf-8

	set the outputLineEndings to ?lf?					# OS X
	set the outputTextEncoding to ?utf8?				# OS X

	put "data.db" into preferences["database?]
	put arrayEncode(preferences) into URL ?file:temp.txt"
	put URL "file:temp.txt" into encodedPrefs 
	if encodedPrefs is not empty then 
		put arrayDecode(encodedPrefs) into prefs
		put "The decoded data contains:" && prefs["database"] & return
	end if

	put "data2.db" into preferences["database?]
	put arrayEncode(preferences) into encodedPrefs
	put arrayDecode(encodedPrefs) into prefs
	put "The decoded data contains:" && prefs["database"] & return

This is what the script outputs:

peter$ test/test.lc
The decoded data contains: 
The decoded data contains: data2.db
peter$ 

Any suggestions to what I?m getting wrong or is it a bug?

Regards

Peter


From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul  5 07:09:44 2015
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 12:09:44 +0100
Subject: Problem with arrayDecode
In-Reply-To: <795E4B79-182F-4D5F-A979-211582082D4B@gmail.com>
References: <795E4B79-182F-4D5F-A979-211582082D4B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55991078.8000501@tweedly.net>

You would need to use  a binary file (e.g. "binfile:temp.txt")  for the 
result of arrayencode
(so I might therefore chose  different extension :-)

Alex.


On 05/07/2015 09:46, Peter W A Wood wrote:
> I am having problems with encoding and decoding an array when I save the encoded data to a file and read it back. Here is a simple LiveCode Server script that shows the issue:
>
> 	#coding:utf-8
>
> 	set the outputLineEndings to ?lf?					# OS X
> 	set the outputTextEncoding to ?utf8?				# OS X
>
> 	put "data.db" into preferences["database?]
> 	put arrayEncode(preferences) into URL ?file:temp.txt"
> 	put URL "file:temp.txt" into encodedPrefs
> 	if encodedPrefs is not empty then
> 		put arrayDecode(encodedPrefs) into prefs
> 		put "The decoded data contains:" && prefs["database"] & return
> 	end if
>
> 	put "data2.db" into preferences["database?]
> 	put arrayEncode(preferences) into encodedPrefs
> 	put arrayDecode(encodedPrefs) into prefs
> 	put "The decoded data contains:" && prefs["database"] & return
>
> This is what the script outputs:
>
> peter$ test/test.lc
> The decoded data contains:
> The decoded data contains: data2.db
> peter$
>
> Any suggestions to what I?m getting wrong or is it a bug?
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 09:34:47 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 21:34:47 +0800
Subject: Problem with arrayDecode
In-Reply-To: <55991078.8000501@tweedly.net>
References: <795E4B79-182F-4D5F-A979-211582082D4B@gmail.com>
	<55991078.8000501@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <38671CA3-6745-4B5F-9FA9-123F5100BDA6@gmail.com>

Thanks Alex. That fixed it.

Regards

Peter

> On 5 Jul 2015, at 19:09, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
> 
> You would need to use  a binary file (e.g. "binfile:temp.txt")  for the result of arrayencode
> (so I might therefore chose  different extension :-)
> 
> Alex.
> 
> 
> On 05/07/2015 09:46, Peter W A Wood wrote:
>> I am having problems with encoding and decoding an array when I save the encoded data to a file and read it back. Here is a simple LiveCode Server script that shows the issue:
>> 
>> 	#coding:utf-8
>> 
>> 	set the outputLineEndings to ?lf?					# OS X
>> 	set the outputTextEncoding to ?utf8?				# OS X
>> 
>> 	put "data.db" into preferences["database?]
>> 	put arrayEncode(preferences) into URL ?file:temp.txt"
>> 	put URL "file:temp.txt" into encodedPrefs
>> 	if encodedPrefs is not empty then
>> 		put arrayDecode(encodedPrefs) into prefs
>> 		put "The decoded data contains:" && prefs["database"] & return
>> 	end if
>> 
>> 	put "data2.db" into preferences["database?]
>> 	put arrayEncode(preferences) into encodedPrefs
>> 	put arrayDecode(encodedPrefs) into prefs
>> 	put "The decoded data contains:" && prefs["database"] & return
>> 
>> This is what the script outputs:
>> 
>> peter$ test/test.lc
>> The decoded data contains:
>> The decoded data contains: data2.db
>> peter$
>> 
>> Any suggestions to what I?m getting wrong or is it a bug?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 11:18:26 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 08:18:26 -0700
Subject: where does "startup" message go when in IDE
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGo0sag+mL-DW0zWA3-J+uWzbpR7OxTVx3LJmLOpLA1gQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've found the startup message, to be sent to the first stack opened.

It seems useful, but I haven't been able to trap it in the IDE.

In particular, I found an incantation to hide the stack or some such for
use at the command line.

Is it going to an IDE card?  Could I simulate it with a

if the environment is "development" then

dispatch "startup" to me

end if

as the first item of preOpenStack of the main stack (hmm, I suppose in
beforePreOpenStack . . .)

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dunbarx at aol.com  Sun Jul  5 12:23:56 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 12:23:56 -0400
Subject: where does "startup" message go when in IDE
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGo0sag+mL-DW0zWA3-J+uWzbpR7OxTVx3LJmLOpLA1gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSGo0sag+mL-DW0zWA3-J+uWzbpR7OxTVx3LJmLOpLA1gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14e5f080003-56bd-38b93@webprd-m82.mail.aol.com>

Hi.


The dictionary says the message goes to the first stack in a new session. But I think the reason you are not trapping it if you place a handler in the stack script, and open that stack in a new session, is that other stacks open before the one you, say, double click on in the finder.


Or I am wrong about that.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 5, 2015 11:19 am
Subject: where does "startup" message go when in IDE


I've found the startup message, to be sent to the first stack opened.

It
seems useful, but I haven't been able to trap it in the IDE.

In particular, I
found an incantation to hide the stack or some such for
use at the command
line.

Is it going to an IDE card?  Could I simulate it with a

if the
environment is "development" then

dispatch "startup" to me

end if

as
the first item of preOpenStack of the main stack (hmm, I suppose
in
beforePreOpenStack . . .)

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702)
508-8462
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From iowahengst at mac.com  Sun Jul  5 12:57:26 2015
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 11:57:26 -0500
Subject: where does "startup" message go when in IDE
In-Reply-To: <14e5f080003-56bd-38b93@webprd-m82.mail.aol.com>
References: <CANQHZSGo0sag+mL-DW0zWA3-J+uWzbpR7OxTVx3LJmLOpLA1gQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<14e5f080003-56bd-38b93@webprd-m82.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CC25C3DC-80A5-44C7-8329-55A1955D4DDC@mac.com>

I?m happy to be wrong on this, but it?s my understanding that startUp is only seen by a standalone? and that "Handle the startup message <applewebdata://77C7FDE9-8161-4549-92CB-9651D225E54F/dictionary/keyword/1549.xml> if you want to do initialization or other tasks when the application <applewebdata://77C7FDE9-8161-4549-92CB-9651D225E54F/glossary/a/23.xml>? in the dictionary is literal.

I?m currently just building for iOS? so, I place the startUp handler in the stack script and include the ?mobile? only things like:
  iphoneSetAllowedOrientations "landscape left,landscape right"
 
   
  Or, when I load sounds (thank you Scott Rossi) as the app opens:

   put specialFolderPath("engine") &"/"& "tm_btn_eletro_23.wav" into gNumberButtonSound
   mobileSetSoundChannelVolume "Ch1","0" -- sets the volume to mute
   mobilePlaySoundOnChannel gNumberButtonSound, "Ch1","now"

My projects are only one stack? so, if I put dispatch in the openStack handler, it sees the startUp handler and throws an error:

on openStack 
   dispatch "startUp"
end openStack


be well,
randy

Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com


> On Jul 5, 2015, at 11:23 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> The dictionary says the message goes to the first stack in a new session. But I think the reason you are not trapping it if you place a handler in the stack script, and open that stack in a new session, is that other stacks open before the one you, say, double click on in the finder.
> 
> 
> Or I am wrong about that.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 5, 2015 11:19 am
> Subject: where does "startup" message go when in IDE
> 
> 
> I've found the startup message, to be sent to the first stack opened.
> 
> It
> seems useful, but I haven't been able to trap it in the IDE.
> 
> In particular, I
> found an incantation to hide the stack or some such for
> use at the command
> line.
> 
> Is it going to an IDE card?  Could I simulate it with a
> 
> if the
> environment is "development" then
> 
> dispatch "startup" to me
> 
> end if
> 
> as
> the first item of preOpenStack of the main stack (hmm, I suppose
> in
> beforePreOpenStack . . .)
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702)
> 508-8462
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From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Jul  5 12:57:55 2015
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 18:57:55 +0200
Subject: where does "startup" message go when in IDE
In-Reply-To: <14e5f080003-56bd-38b93@webprd-m82.mail.aol.com>
References: <CANQHZSGo0sag+mL-DW0zWA3-J+uWzbpR7OxTVx3LJmLOpLA1gQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<14e5f080003-56bd-38b93@webprd-m82.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <FF31AD23-9A24-454B-B124-D3BCBBB1647A@mac.com>

I think the startup message actually goes to the first card of the first stack to be opened. In effect it gets swallowed in the IDE which has its own first card, opened long before your script starts executing (well, I think that?s what?s happening). For a long time now I have used this fact deliberately. I have a ?startup? handler in the appropriate card, but it doesn?t fire by itself. Instead, when I want to test, I execute

send ?startup? to card 1 of stack ?myInitialStack?

and then the program starts up the way it would in a standalone; but only when I want it to.

HTH

Graham

> On 5 Jul 2015, at 18:23, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> The dictionary says the message goes to the first stack in a new session. But I think the reason you are not trapping it if you place a handler in the stack script, and open that stack in a new session, is that other stacks open before the one you, say, double click on in the finder.
> 
> 
> Or I am wrong about that.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 5, 2015 11:19 am
> Subject: where does "startup" message go when in IDE
> 
> 
> I've found the startup message, to be sent to the first stack opened.
> 
> It
> seems useful, but I haven't been able to trap it in the IDE.
> 
> In particular, I
> found an incantation to hide the stack or some such for
> use at the command
> line.
> 
> Is it going to an IDE card?  Could I simulate it with a
> 
> if the
> environment is "development" then
> 
> dispatch "startup" to me
> 
> end if
> 
> as
> the first item of preOpenStack of the main stack (hmm, I suppose
> in
> beforePreOpenStack . . .)
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702)
> 508-8462
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> list
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul  5 13:01:10 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:01:10 -0700
Subject: where does "startup" message go when in IDE
In-Reply-To: <14e5f080003-56bd-38b93@webprd-m82.mail.aol.com>
References: <14e5f080003-56bd-38b93@webprd-m82.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <559962D6.2000607@fourthworld.com>

It's helpful to remember that the IDE is just a collection of stacks, 
which are run automatically whenever the development engine is launched.

So the Dictionary's explanation is correct, and the recipient of the 
startup message when running the IDE will be the IDE.

To initialize stacks simply and robustly in both development and at 
runtime, I use a preOpenStack handler in the script of the first card of 
the mainstack I'll later use to build the standalone from.

I don't think I've used the startup message since HyperCard.  HC never 
had any "pre" messages, and its IDE was written in a language other than 
its own, so the startup message was useful if not necessary there in 
ways that LC offers us much more control over.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



dunbarx wrote:
>
> The dictionary says the message goes to the first stack in a new session. But I think the reason you are not trapping it if you place a handler in the stack script, and open that stack in a new session, is that other stacks open before the one you, say, double click on in the finder.
>
>
> Or I am wrong about that.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com>
>
> I've found the startup message, to be sent to the first stack opened.
>
> It
> seems useful, but I haven't been able to trap it in the IDE.
>
> In particular, I
> found an incantation to hide the stack or some such for
> use at the command
> line.
>
> Is it going to an IDE card?  Could I simulate it with a
>
> if the
> environment is "development" then
>
> dispatch "startup" to me
>
> end if
>
> as
> the first item of preOpenStack of the main stack (hmm, I suppose
> in
> beforePreOpenStack . . .)
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702)
> 508-8462




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul  5 13:08:04 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:08:04 -0700
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
In-Reply-To: <55982A5C.6010602@gmail.com>
References: <55982A5C.6010602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55996474.50309@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:
> Seems to be 'down' or stuck, or something, "Me dears".

It appears that the servers have been under intermittent DDoS attack for 
the last several days.

The team has been implementing safeguards against it, but now and then 
the attack changes apparent origin so the safeguards have to be updated.

At the moment this list archive, the forums, RQCC, and the main site all 
appear to be working efficiently.
-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul  5 13:10:45 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:10:45 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <5598329A.5000008@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5598329A.5000008@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <55996515.4070804@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

> On 07/04/2015 11:46 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> Are there features in the 6.7 series that have not yet been incorporated
>> into the 7.0 series? (seems unlikely and slightly odd).
>
> No, quite the opposite. I *am* annoyed that some of the additions I've
> contributed to the engine have not made it into the 6.7 branch.

Are your pull requests specific to v6.x, or also applicable to v7 as well?

Anything specific to v6 is increasingly unlikely to occupy the team's 
time, since like v5 and v4 etc. we can anticipate it will be EOL'd in 
the foreseeable future.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From david at viral.academy  Sun Jul  5 13:13:17 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 19:13:17 +0200
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CAGV_Z3AM2GRi7tOF79q42zv8Cr+ORfC6pt0qXV2XnyQagsv4Rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3AM2GRi7tOF79q42zv8Cr+ORfC6pt0qXV2XnyQagsv4Rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioP7tzjcVtwoDOXGXBvoMmDgOfsSAN54PQ9SpnA9eD8eyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Can you tell me what wiki softtware you are using - MediaWiki?

On Saturday, July 4, 2015, Mark Rauterkus <mark.rauterkus at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for any open-source software that helps to manage wiki pages
> and a wiki site with LiveCode.
>
> A long time ago there was a tiny bit of chatter about someone working to
> make an interface or something that would allow for plugging content into
> wikis via LiveCode.
>
> I have to make 200+ new wiki home pages for our camper kids and would love
> to have a script that was done in LiveCode to talk with the wiki server.
>
> Perhaps it is simple, but not so much for me.
>
> Thanks for the pointers, if they exist.
>
> --
> Ta.
>
>
> Mark Rauterkus       Mark at Rauterkus.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 13:15:49 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 20:15:49 +0300
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <55996515.4070804@fourthworld.com>
References: <5598329A.5000008@ahsoftware.net>
	<55996515.4070804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <55996645.2060500@gmail.com>

On 05/07/15 20:10, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> On 07/04/2015 11:46 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>> Are there features in the 6.7 series that have not yet been 
>>> incorporated
>>> into the 7.0 series? (seems unlikely and slightly odd).
>>
>> No, quite the opposite. I *am* annoyed that some of the additions I've
>> contributed to the engine have not made it into the 6.7 branch.
>
> Are your pull requests specific to v6.x, or also applicable to v7 as 
> well?
>
> Anything specific to v6 is increasingly unlikely to occupy the team's 
> time, since like v5 and v4 etc. we can anticipate it will be EOL'd in 
> the foreseeable future.
>

If that is so why do new versions of the increasingly redundant 6.7 
series keep appearing?

Wouldn't the developers who are working on those be better employed 
ironing out the bugs in the 7.0 series?

Richmond.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul  5 13:18:48 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:18:48 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <55981E81.4050800@ahsoftware.net>
References: <55981E81.4050800@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <559966F8.9020205@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

 > On 07/04/2015 09:27 AM, Richmond wrote:
 >
 >> Bug report 15574
 >
 > I tried to add info to the bug report, but the quality center is down
 > right now. I managed to launch both commercial and community 6.7.6
 > builds on my 64-bit linux Mint 17 system.

I believe both the RQCC being down and the bug itself may be related to 
the recent DDoS attack.  I'm unable to reproduce this issue this morning 
under Ubuntu 14.10.  I would try again while the servers appear to be 
working well.


 > I've never been able to launch from the installer window, and I've
 > rather given up trying.

This was fixed several months ago with some of the GDK improvements 
Fraser implemented in v7.

Please keep in mind that v6 will remain a subset of v7, and going 
forward that subset will get ever smaller as work continues at a good 
clip on v7 and later.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Jul  5 13:22:01 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:22:01 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <55996645.2060500@gmail.com>
References: <55996645.2060500@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <559967B9.5040005@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

> On 05/07/15 20:10, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Mark Wieder wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/04/2015 11:46 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>>> Are there features in the 6.7 series that have not yet been
>>>> incorporated
>>>> into the 7.0 series? (seems unlikely and slightly odd).
>>>
>>> No, quite the opposite. I *am* annoyed that some of the additions I've
>>> contributed to the engine have not made it into the 6.7 branch.
>>
>> Are your pull requests specific to v6.x, or also applicable to v7 as
>> well?
>>
>> Anything specific to v6 is increasingly unlikely to occupy the team's
>> time, since like v5 and v4 etc. we can anticipate it will be EOL'd in
>> the foreseeable future.
>>
>
> If that is so why do new versions of the increasingly redundant 6.7
> series keep appearing?

Because v6.x hasn't been EOL'd yet.  We know it will just as all other 
earlier versions before it have been, and as v7 becomes increasingly 
robust and efficient that day gets ever closer.  But at this time the 
team has not yet announced the EOL date for v6.


> Wouldn't the developers who are working on those be better employed
> ironing out the bugs in the 7.0 series?

Yes, which is why it's useful for all of us to use to v7 if we want to 
take advantage of bug fixes and enhancements going forward.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 13:23:23 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 20:23:23 +0300
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <559966F8.9020205@fourthworld.com>
References: <55981E81.4050800@ahsoftware.net>
	<559966F8.9020205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5599680B.1030002@gmail.com>

On 05/07/15 20:18, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > On 07/04/2015 09:27 AM, Richmond wrote:
> >
> >> Bug report 15574
> >
> > I tried to add info to the bug report, but the quality center is down
> > right now. I managed to launch both commercial and community 6.7.6
> > builds on my 64-bit linux Mint 17 system.
>
> I believe both the RQCC being down and the bug itself may be related 
> to the recent DDoS attack.  I'm unable to reproduce this issue this 
> morning under Ubuntu 14.10.  I would try again while the servers 
> appear to be working well.

This is a load of nonsense: see my new notes over at the bug report.

Richmond.

>
>
> > I've never been able to launch from the installer window, and I've
> > rather given up trying.
>
> This was fixed several months ago with some of the GDK improvements 
> Fraser implemented in v7.
>
> Please keep in mind that v6 will remain a subset of v7, and going 
> forward that subset will get ever smaller as work continues at a good 
> clip on v7 and later.
>




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 13:25:55 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 20:25:55 +0300
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <559967B9.5040005@fourthworld.com>
References: <55996645.2060500@gmail.com> <559967B9.5040005@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <559968A3.5010202@gmail.com>

On 05/07/15 20:22, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 05/07/15 20:10, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> Mark Wieder wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/04/2015 11:46 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>>>> Are there features in the 6.7 series that have not yet been
>>>>> incorporated
>>>>> into the 7.0 series? (seems unlikely and slightly odd).
>>>>
>>>> No, quite the opposite. I *am* annoyed that some of the additions I've
>>>> contributed to the engine have not made it into the 6.7 branch.
>>>
>>> Are your pull requests specific to v6.x, or also applicable to v7 as
>>> well?
>>>
>>> Anything specific to v6 is increasingly unlikely to occupy the team's
>>> time, since like v5 and v4 etc. we can anticipate it will be EOL'd in
>>> the foreseeable future.
>>>
>>
>> If that is so why do new versions of the increasingly redundant 6.7
>> series keep appearing?
>
> Because v6.x hasn't been EOL'd yet.  We know it will just as all other 
> earlier versions before it have been, and as v7 becomes increasingly 
> robust and efficient that day gets ever closer.  But at this time the 
> team has not yet announced the EOL date for v6.
>
>
>> Wouldn't the developers who are working on those be better employed
>> ironing out the bugs in the 7.0 series?
>
> Yes, which is why it's useful for all of us to use to v7 if we want to 
> take advantage of bug fixes and enhancements going forward.
>

Well, I have given up on all releases per 7.0.5, and just installed 
6.7.6 "because it was there" - and, in fact, it wasn't "there" as
you will see from my bug report.

The changes re Unicode handling in the 7.0 series are absolutely 
marvellous: I've no real intention in looking backwards.

Richmond.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul  5 13:42:32 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:42:32 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <559966F8.9020205@fourthworld.com>
References: <55981E81.4050800@ahsoftware.net>
	<559966F8.9020205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <55996C88.8020706@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/05/2015 10:18 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>  > I've never been able to launch from the installer window, and I've
>  > rather given up trying.
>
> This was fixed several months ago with some of the GDK improvements
> Fraser implemented in v7.

But hasn't been backported to LC6, i.e., it still doesn't work.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul  5 13:43:51 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:43:51 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <55996515.4070804@fourthworld.com>
References: <5598329A.5000008@ahsoftware.net>
	<55996515.4070804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <55996CD7.8060002@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/05/2015 10:10 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Are your pull requests specific to v6.x, or also applicable to v7 as well?

They're generic, as in the addition of floor() and ceil().
And submitted as pull requests against the develop branch, as requested.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Jul  5 13:50:21 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:50:21 -0700
Subject: where does "startup" message go when in IDE
In-Reply-To: <FF31AD23-9A24-454B-B124-D3BCBBB1647A@mac.com>
References: <CANQHZSGo0sag+mL-DW0zWA3-J+uWzbpR7OxTVx3LJmLOpLA1gQ@mail.gmail.com>	<14e5f080003-56bd-38b93@webprd-m82.mail.aol.com>
	<FF31AD23-9A24-454B-B124-D3BCBBB1647A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55996E5D.3000908@ahsoftware.net>

Yup. Graham nailed it here.

The startup message is really only useful in a standalone app.

I have used it to take care of some setup stuff that's only really 
useful in a standalone and not in the IDE. As Richard noted, once the 
IDE is running it's already loaded several system stacks, most notably 
the home stack, so the startup message will not get sent to any 
subsequent stacks that are loaded.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 13:55:46 2015
From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 13:55:46 -0400
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
Message-ID: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>

David asked what software?

YES. I am using WikiMedia software. It is on the server of course.

I have a couple of wikis at wikia.com and then I do have it working on my
virtual server too, so one day i might depart the wikia platform or mirror
-- for extra control.

I just made about 200 wiki pages by hand. I know that there must be ways to
have LiveCode help to automate things on the wiki.
Log in.
Go to this page.
Put VAR_text into these pages.
Save.


--
Ta.


Mark Rauterkus       Mark at Rauterkus.com


From david at viral.academy  Sun Jul  5 14:00:36 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 20:00:36 +0200
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>

Yes there is. I'm in the middle of nowhere and just been professionaaly
pickpocketed by a possy from Naples - but when I get settled at the
symposium I should be able to help as I have a bunch of Mediawiki handlers
in a proto-library. I'm working on it at the moment so it's good timing :)

On Sunday, July 5, 2015, Mark Rauterkus <mark.rauterkus at gmail.com> wrote:

> David asked what software?
>
> YES. I am using WikiMedia software. It is on the server of course.
>
> I have a couple of wikis at wikia.com and then I do have it working on my
> virtual server too, so one day i might depart the wikia platform or mirror
> -- for extra control.
>
> I just made about 200 wiki pages by hand. I know that there must be ways to
> have LiveCode help to automate things on the wiki.
> Log in.
> Go to this page.
> Put VAR_text into these pages.
> Save.
>
>
> --
> Ta.
>
>
> Mark Rauterkus       Mark at Rauterkus.com
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From pystcat at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 14:49:39 2015
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 14:49:39 -0400
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>

Ok... You need to elaborate on that "pickpocket possy from Naples..."  I have a feeling it's a good story that must be shared.



> On Jul 5, 2015, at 2:00 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> Yes there is. I'm in the middle of nowhere and just been professionaaly
> pickpocketed by a possy from Naples - but when I get settled at the
> symposium I should be able to help as I have a bunch of Mediawiki handlers
> in a proto-library. I'm working on it at the moment so it's good timing :)
> 
>> On Sunday, July 5, 2015, Mark Rauterkus <mark.rauterkus at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> David asked what software?
>> 
>> YES. I am using WikiMedia software. It is on the server of course.
>> 
>> I have a couple of wikis at wikia.com and then I do have it working on my
>> virtual server too, so one day i might depart the wikia platform or mirror
>> -- for extra control.
>> 
>> I just made about 200 wiki pages by hand. I know that there must be ways to
>> have LiveCode help to automate things on the wiki.
>> Log in.
>> Go to this page.
>> Put VAR_text into these pages.
>> Save.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Ta.
>> 
>> 
>> Mark Rauterkus       Mark at Rauterkus.com
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Sun Jul  5 17:38:27 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:38:27 +0100
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <55996CD7.8060002@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5598329A.5000008@ahsoftware.net>
	<55996515.4070804@fourthworld.com> <55996CD7.8060002@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <e5b43e29da853758b94d2ce541fd4ae2@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-05 18:43, Mark Wieder wrote:
> On 07/05/2015 10:10 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Are your pull requests specific to v6.x, or also applicable to v7 as 
>> well?
> 
> They're generic, as in the addition of floor() and ceil().
> And submitted as pull requests against the develop branch, as 
> requested.

Hi Mark,

At the moment we're trying not to add new engine features to the 
LiveCode 6.7.6 or LiveCode 7.0.x releases, unless they're particularly 
critical.  This is in order to try and ensure that LiveCode 6.7 and 7.0 
remain stable, and to try to ensure that any problems or 
incompatibilities introduced by new features are contained within the 
experimental 8.0 branch (i.e. the "develop" branch on Github).

                                      Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From alex at tweedly.net  Sun Jul  5 19:04:49 2015
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 00:04:49 +0100
Subject: Is it just me? The LiveCode website.
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO+fEjWgZm+13jHmcTqsG10TnthUSMJJsjqdh-KOBLmqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55982A5C.6010602@gmail.com>	<8A6C7A9C-7755-4C1F-B0FB-8C1B95DC4B2A@netrin.com>	<559845F1.5040206@researchware.com>	<1436041674300-4693639.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eO+fEjWgZm+13jHmcTqsG10TnthUSMJJsjqdh-KOBLmqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5599B811.7080601@tweedly.net>


I don't know, but I'm happy to make guesses - especially when it gives 
me a chance to rant a bit as well :-)

Runrev had a first attempt at tackling "the web" with revlets - which 
worked well, but stumbled and failed because by then it was becoming 
impossible to get anyone to install a player.

So they had to try a different approach, and LCServer was the right 
answer (IMO). (Of course the HTML5 project is an even more right answer, 
but this pre-dated HTML/CSS having enough capabilities to think about that).

The problem was, in those days before Open Source and Community Version, 
it was going to be a hard sell to get people to try LC as a server 
scripting language. Of coure, it was an easy sell into the existing user 
base - but that wasn't big enough, hey had to extend their user base.

Fortunately, they had some advantages of being able to invent language 
features without any legacy hold-ups. But even more than that, they had 
one "killer feature" - live, remote debugging of server scripts. What 
software developer wouldn't want that - server scripting but using the 
tools of today (IDE/intelligent debugger) rather than relying on 
debugging/logging code (like it was the 1980s again - which AFAIK it is 
for all other scripting languages).

Unfortunately (as I understand it), enabling the debugging involves 
significant modificaitons to a standard Apache installation - so not 
something that a casual "let's give it a try" user would be able to, or 
even be interested to, handle for themselves. Hence, a bundled web 
hosting package which allowed Runrev to set everything up, and to try 
out the features, in a controlled environment.

So - IMHO - providing a web hosting offering was a good idea.
And, IMHO, it was a failure, due to inadequate resources and development 
for the on-rev client.

It lacked many basic features that could, and should, have been there to 
make it really feel like a modern IDE-style environment. I could rant 
for hours about it :-), but I'll restrain myself. It was inadequately 
specced, and then on top of that it was slow, buggy and unsupported.

(And of course, it should never have been an 'on-rev client', it should 
have been a "remote LCServer IDE" which provided editing with full 
colouring, etc. plus file/directory mirroring with rsync and/or ftp 
upload and pluggable editors (to  allow open source editors for other 
languages - and it should hve done all that for any LC Server, and 
allowec debugging for any hosting service that allowed it - i.e. on-rev 
initially, and others if demand required it.

So anyway, the opportunities that came from providing their own web 
hosting service were never realized.

Whether or not it is profitable as it is, I have no idea. But I know it 
could have been much more than it is/was.

Alex.

On 04/07/2015 23:38, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I don't think I've been involved with Livecode long enough to know the
> answer to this but why did Livecode get into the web hosting business?  I
> hope it's profitable for them because it seems to cause them a lot of
> problems.
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:22 PM Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
> wrote:
>
>> livecode.com has been a bit of a yo-yo for the last day or so - up, down,
>> up,
>> down, up - and currently, down
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
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From tate83 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 04:19:31 2015
From: tate83 at gmail.com (Pascal Lehner)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:19:31 +0200
Subject: Database Input Validation
Message-ID: <CANi4YQYLdEKvWjXFjSdDV_c-hvFR2CCpwAPdEArhTRMZr68GVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am working on a desktop app that is running a SQLite database and might
well end up as a HTML5 server version with MySQL in the not-so-far future.
For this I want to have some sort of input validation to avoid security and
XSS incidents.

Does anyone have a library or function to "sanitize" any sql statement
before running it against the database? Or how do you do this?

Thanks,

Pascal


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul  6 13:11:33 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 10:11:33 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <5599680B.1030002@gmail.com>
References: <5599680B.1030002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <559AB6C5.5000909@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

 > On 05/07/15 20:18, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>
 >> I believe both the RQCC being down and the bug itself may be related
 >> to the recent DDoS attack.  I'm unable to reproduce this issue this
 >> morning under Ubuntu 14.10.  I would try again while the servers
 >> appear to be working well.
 >
 > This is a load of nonsense: see my new notes over at the bug report.
 >
 > Richmond.

I was volunteering time away from business and personal things on a 
holiday weekend to try to help you, and that's how you respond?

Maybe your keyboard got stuck when you were trying to type "Thanks for 
trying, but that doesn't resolve the issue."

My suggestion was based on the following:

- The LiveCode servers had been under periodic DDoS attacks over the
   previous few days.

- The LiveCode IDE makes some calls to their servers to verify accounts
   for opt-in features like the Dictionary comments and RevOnline.

- I was unable to reproduce the problem you'd reported on Xubuntu while
   I was running Ubuntu and Lubuntu, which are similar enough to Xubuntu
   be relevant here.

- You noted LiveCode was able to run but stopped at a point well after
   engine initialization, suggesting something script-related rather than
   compatibility of the engine with your OS config.

- The DDoS attacks had stopped at the time I was unable to reproduce
   the issue.

- My reply here was before you'd posted your follow-up to that report.


Given all this, although apparently I didn't guess correctly it wasn't a 
bad first stab at a diagnosis.

I did read the comment there you'd posted later, and by now I trust 
you've also read Hanson's:

    that is odd. We test all the installers for installation and
    execution before they get shipped. I also just tested the
    installation again, just in case we had missed something, but
    it installs just fine for "You only" on a non-root account.

    As Richard suggests, have you been able to install other versions
    of LiveCode on the machine you are trying to install 6.7.6?

The report is currently marked "Pending Awaiting Follow-Up", and with 
any luck as you provide the information the team needs to reproduce this 
they'll be able to find a solution for you.

In the meantime, when someone goes out of their way to try to help you 
and you don't understand their methods, what you have is a question, not 
a reason to dismiss their help as "nonsense".

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 14:31:57 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:31:57 +0300
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <559AB6C5.5000909@fourthworld.com>
References: <5599680B.1030002@gmail.com> <559AB6C5.5000909@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <559AC99D.7010806@gmail.com>

On 06/07/15 20:11, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
> > On 05/07/15 20:18, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe both the RQCC being down and the bug itself may be related
> >> to the recent DDoS attack.  I'm unable to reproduce this issue this
> >> morning under Ubuntu 14.10.  I would try again while the servers
> >> appear to be working well.
> >
> > This is a load of nonsense: see my new notes over at the bug report.
> >
> > Richmond.
>
> I was volunteering time away from business and personal things on a 
> holiday weekend to try to help you, and that's how you respond?

I'm sorry: all sorts of things were happening at once.

AS I had tried starting 6.7.6 up while my machine was disconnected from 
the internet it obviously had nothing at all to do with DDoS attacks.

Now, at work today I installed 6.7.6 on 3 machines which are never 
connected to the internet [they had their Xubuntu 14.04 systems installed
from one of those DVDs one can use so one doesn't need internet access.

A very similar situation.

>
> Maybe your keyboard got stuck when you were trying to type "Thanks for 
> trying, but that doesn't resolve the issue."

No, my keyboard did not get stuck; I was in a filthy mood for all sorts 
of reasons, 6.7.6 being just one of them, and as I was installing it
from an installer I had downloaded rather than using LiveCode's in-built 
upgrader the stuff about DDoS was 'nonsense', like it or not.

>
> My suggestion was based on the following:
>
> - The LiveCode servers had been under periodic DDoS attacks over the
>   previous few days.
>
> - The LiveCode IDE makes some calls to their servers to verify accounts
>   for opt-in features like the Dictionary comments and RevOnline.

Not if it is installed on a machine that has NO internet access.

I, successfully, installed 7.0.6 on several of my never-had-internet 
machines at school today.

>
> - I was unable to reproduce the problem you'd reported on Xubuntu while
>   I was running Ubuntu and Lubuntu, which are similar enough to Xubuntu
>   be relevant here.
>
> - You noted LiveCode was able to run but stopped at a point well after
>   engine initialization, suggesting something script-related rather than
>   compatibility of the engine with your OS config.
>
> - The DDoS attacks had stopped at the time I was unable to reproduce
>   the issue.
>
> - My reply here was before you'd posted your follow-up to that report.
>
>
> Given all this, although apparently I didn't guess correctly it wasn't 
> a bad first stab at a diagnosis.
>
> I did read the comment there you'd posted later, and by now I trust 
> you've also read Hanson's:
>
>    that is odd. We test all the installers for installation and
>    execution before they get shipped. I also just tested the
>    installation again, just in case we had missed something, but
>    it installs just fine for "You only" on a non-root account.
>
>    As Richard suggests, have you been able to install other versions
>    of LiveCode on the machine you are trying to install 6.7.6?
>
> The report is currently marked "Pending Awaiting Follow-Up", and with 
> any luck as you provide the information the team needs to reproduce 
> this they'll be able to find a solution for you.
>
> In the meantime, when someone goes out of their way to try to help you 
> and you don't understand their methods, what you have is a question, 
> not a reason to dismiss their help as "nonsense".
>

I would not have dismissed something as nonsense had I been able to see 
some sense in it.

As very many people have used far stronger language at me in the past, 
I, personally would never be offended by 'nonsense';

water off a duck's back!

I DO appreciate ALL that you do for LiveCode, unremunerated. And I, from 
time-to-time do a bit as well: some of which
has been rubbished in far stronger terms that 'nonsense' - and I am 
sufficiently thick-skinned that that does not fuss me.

So, while I am sorry that I miffed you, I do stand by my assessment of 
DDoS as the possible cause of this problem.

Best [really!], Richmond.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 14:35:55 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:35:55 +0300
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <559AB6C5.5000909@fourthworld.com>
References: <5599680B.1030002@gmail.com> <559AB6C5.5000909@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <559ACA8B.4030202@gmail.com>

AND, real or imaginary insults aside, unfortunately, the Quality Control 
Center, along
with all the other bits of RunRev's site seem to be "down the tubes" 
again, whether because
of DDoS or something else, I don't know.

Which is a very great pity as I was going to add some more info about 
bug 15574.

Richmond.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  6 15:33:51 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:33:51 -0500
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <559ACA8B.4030202@gmail.com>
References: <5599680B.1030002@gmail.com> <559AB6C5.5000909@fourthworld.com>
	<559ACA8B.4030202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <559AD81F.8010408@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/6/2015 1:35 PM, Richmond wrote:
> unfortunately, the Quality Control Center, along
> with all the other bits of RunRev's site seem to be "down the tubes"
> again, whether because
> of DDoS or something else, I don't know.

Yeah, I noticed that too while trying to update a bug report. I think 
it's been down for some time.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 15:36:02 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:36:02 +0000
Subject: Open Socket With Messages
Message-ID: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I am trying to use open socket like this:

         put aConnection["dbhost"] & ":" & aConnection["dbport"] into theSocket
         open secure socket to theSocket with message socketConnected
         wait for messages
         put the openSockets into theOpenSockets
         close socket theSocket

I have this handler in the same script:
on socketConnected
   -- callBack for open socket commands
   put "connected!"
end socketConnected

The problem is, socketConnected never gets called. The connection works because theOpenSockets contains the connection as it should, but I never get the callback. What am I missing? 

Bob S





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 15:37:46 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:37:46 +0300
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <559AD81F.8010408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5599680B.1030002@gmail.com> <559AB6C5.5000909@fourthworld.com>
	<559ACA8B.4030202@gmail.com> <559AD81F.8010408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <559AD90A.1040709@gmail.com>

On 06/07/15 22:33, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 7/6/2015 1:35 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> unfortunately, the Quality Control Center, along
>> with all the other bits of RunRev's site seem to be "down the tubes"
>> again, whether because
>> of DDoS or something else, I don't know.
>
> Yeah, I noticed that too while trying to update a bug report. I think 
> it's been down for some time.
>

Having said that, I have just managed to get in there and add what I 
wanted to Bug 15574.

Love, Richmond.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 15:55:02 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:55:02 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgQHk3ni_1e3bjCZKa1ViV7HuNM9ptbO_fs=SNB43LEAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<553309B4-DE54-45A5-8165-16AFB6C0372A@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kgQHk3ni_1e3bjCZKa1ViV7HuNM9ptbO_fs=SNB43LEAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77375E9F-ED17-4AF9-A18D-357D895181BF@iotecdigital.com>

New copier device. Popup menu of manufacturers. I want user to explicitly pick a manufacturer, not just ignore the manufacturer that is there. I set it to empty and then check for empty before saving the data.

Bob S


On Jul 2, 2015, at 20:07 , Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com<mailto:lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>> wrote:

I still can't invisage a situation where you'd want an empty option button.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 15:57:38 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:57:38 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <68C33F0B-C9F3-401B-9559-EFF72E09376F@comcast.net>
References: <68C33F0B-C9F3-401B-9559-EFF72E09376F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7A4B4E32-90B2-48DD-BBA3-768ACD8A3075@iotecdigital.com>

There are all kinds of workarounds for this. What is being discussed is why we need workarounds in the first place. 

Bob S


> On Jul 3, 2015, at 05:25 , David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Set the label of button myBtn to space? makes an option button appear blank but does not interfere with a user?s subsequent choice of an option.
> While disabling the button or hiding the button are other ways of making clear that no option is in effect, an able but blank option button means that an option can be put into effect in one step, not requiring some other action that enables or shows the button.
> 
> David Epstein
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Mon Jul  6 15:59:02 2015
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:59:02 -0700
Subject: Open Socket With Messages
In-Reply-To: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
References: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <DF97FFAD-5B25-4DAC-9B2F-AFC1207E9DF9@canelasoftware.com>

Did you accept connection on port aConnection["deport?]?

I think it?s possible for the open socket to remain in the openSockets list until the connection times out. Grab message socketTimeout pSocketID to see if it?s timing out without connecting.

Eric

On Jul 6, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> Hi all. 
> 
> I am trying to use open socket like this:
> 
>        put aConnection["dbhost"] & ":" & aConnection["dbport"] into theSocket
>        open secure socket to theSocket with message socketConnected
>        wait for messages
>        put the openSockets into theOpenSockets
>        close socket theSocket
> 
> I have this handler in the same script:
> on socketConnected
>  -- callBack for open socket commands
>  put "connected!"
> end socketConnected
> 
> The problem is, socketConnected never gets called. The connection works because theOpenSockets contains the connection as it should, but I never get the callback. What am I missing? 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul  6 15:59:38 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:59:38 -0500
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <559AD90A.1040709@gmail.com>
References: <5599680B.1030002@gmail.com>
	<559AB6C5.5000909@fourthworld.com>	<559ACA8B.4030202@gmail.com>
	<559AD81F.8010408@hyperactivesw.com> <559AD90A.1040709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <559ADE2A.5090608@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/6/2015 2:37 PM, Richmond wrote:
> On 06/07/15 22:33, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> On 7/6/2015 1:35 PM, Richmond wrote:
>>> unfortunately, the Quality Control Center, along
>>> with all the other bits of RunRev's site seem to be "down the tubes"
>>> again, whether because
>>> of DDoS or something else, I don't know.
>>
>> Yeah, I noticed that too while trying to update a bug report. I think
>> it's been down for some time.
>>
>
> Having said that, I have just managed to get in there and add what I
> wanted to Bug 15574.

Me too, thanks to your heads-up. Seems to be an on-off sort of thing; 
yesterday someone else reported that he submitted a report but later in 
the day I couldn't get in.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 15:59:50 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:59:50 -0600
Subject: Open Socket With Messages
In-Reply-To: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
References: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSos2BfQZ3Dc-GZqOmeazZEF=g16y3Q_78QKeG-icYqm4Q@mail.gmail.com>

A couple things.. Remove the wait for messages, its not needed and is
probably a bad idea.

Then, since you're opening a secure socket, you might need to specify with,
or without verification (depending on your needs of course)

Also, there is a parameter that is passed along with the message that
contains the socket id.

So on socketConnected should be "on socketConnected pSocketId"
at which point you know which socket has completed.  (Since multiple
sockets can be open, this way you know WHICH one just finished opening)
I'd recommend looking at internet_chat.rev if you haven't.  YOu can get it
by going to resources (button on the LC bar) and on the left under sample
projects, there it is.

I think the biggest issue though is wait for messages.  It'd just sit there
waiting for something, but it has no clue what.


On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I am trying to use open socket like this:
>
>          put aConnection["dbhost"] & ":" & aConnection["dbport"] into
> theSocket
>          open secure socket to theSocket with message socketConnected
>          wait for messages
>          put the openSockets into theOpenSockets
>          close socket theSocket
>
> I have this handler in the same script:
> on socketConnected
>    -- callBack for open socket commands
>    put "connected!"
> end socketConnected
>
> The problem is, socketConnected never gets called. The connection works
> because theOpenSockets contains the connection as it should, but I never
> get the callback. What am I missing?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 16:00:50 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:00:50 +0000
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <5596DA2D.4090806@ahsoftware.net>
References: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>
	<C9BCC15B-5897-4AD0-8084-ED35C3550C55@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kjvU1Mg_NC9iVu8xw=E2KVF6wZFy68YSqJHc1kiXF1n-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<68A05D7B-9479-4415-8791-B70104F871B6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kjm+F3pPcDaQ=jGeKXUykmAZ7KD=_JLkHCDvo8qZZ-Zbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<55962D5A.5020702@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eNmCH8uE1Vw5RFT8dtGr2y4G1vE=D=EyqZPj_+EJ6h4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5596DA2D.4090806@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C06100DD-0FD7-461F-BDE9-83A2CA756CB5@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Mark. The code to get the script locals looks suspiciously like what I suggested. Are you sure Jerry didn?t use Jacques Time Travel stack to steal my code??

Bob S


> On Jul 3, 2015, at 11:53 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> On 07/03/2015 11:11 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> Nice!  Only thing I don't see is dealing with block comments - the things
>> surrounded by "/*" and "*/" and possibly spanning several lines.
> 
> There's some DRY cleanup that could be done as well.
> Feel free to make it better and submit the changes.
> It's all on bitbucket, and unfortunately it's a LiveCode stack rather than text files so you can't submit git pull requests, but drop me a note or create an issue.
> 
> https://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2/wiki/Home
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jul  6 16:04:08 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:04:08 -0700
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <77375E9F-ED17-4AF9-A18D-357D895181BF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<553309B4-DE54-45A5-8165-16AFB6C0372A@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kgQHk3ni_1e3bjCZKa1ViV7HuNM9ptbO_fs=SNB43LEAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<77375E9F-ED17-4AF9-A18D-357D895181BF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <D1C02CA8.696C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi Bob:

I would propose that empty is not an informative value for a user.
Something like "<no selection>" or a call to action "Select an option" is
going to be more helpful than an empty line.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/6/15, 12:55 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

>New copier device. Popup menu of manufacturers. I want user to explicitly
>pick a manufacturer, not just ignore the manufacturer that is there. I
>set it to empty and then check for empty before saving the data.
>
>Bob S
>
>
>On Jul 2, 2015, at 20:07 , Kay C Lan
><lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com<mailto:lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>I still can't invisage a situation where you'd want an empty option
>button.
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 16:12:21 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:12:21 +0000
Subject: Database Input Validation
In-Reply-To: <CANi4YQYLdEKvWjXFjSdDV_c-hvFR2CCpwAPdEArhTRMZr68GVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANi4YQYLdEKvWjXFjSdDV_c-hvFR2CCpwAPdEArhTRMZr68GVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E5B81B16-9994-4727-B5A9-1C79C8E5D4F9@iotecdigital.com>

One way I used in the past was to get the schema of the table, and for each column I would be updating I would check type, length, limits etc. to make sure my data fell within the constraints of the column. Another way involves using the error messages SQL sends back when a query fails to determine what went wrong, and then alert the end user about what they need to do to fix it. To do this, you would put your insert/updates into try/catch loops and in the catch section call some command you write passing it the first parameter from the catch section. i.e.

try
  <some sql here>
catch theError
  processSQLError theError
end try

Bob S


> On Jul 6, 2015, at 01:19 , Pascal Lehner <tate83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am working on a desktop app that is running a SQLite database and might
> well end up as a HTML5 server version with MySQL in the not-so-far future.
> For this I want to have some sort of input validation to avoid security and
> XSS incidents.
> 
> Does anyone have a library or function to "sanitize" any sql statement
> before running it against the database? Or how do you do this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pascal
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 16:13:04 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:13:04 +0000
Subject: Database Input Validation
In-Reply-To: <E5B81B16-9994-4727-B5A9-1C79C8E5D4F9@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CANi4YQYLdEKvWjXFjSdDV_c-hvFR2CCpwAPdEArhTRMZr68GVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E5B81B16-9994-4727-B5A9-1C79C8E5D4F9@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <96A72B11-5C6A-4F95-BF61-40A06B02190F@iotecdigital.com>

Sorry try/catch is not a loop. :-)

Bob S


> On Jul 6, 2015, at 13:12 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> One way I used in the past was to get the schema of the table, and for each column I would be updating I would check type, length, limits etc. to make sure my data fell within the constraints of the column. Another way involves using the error messages SQL sends back when a query fails to determine what went wrong, and then alert the end user about what they need to do to fix it. To do this, you would put your insert/updates into try/catch loops and in the catch section call some command you write passing it the first parameter from the catch section. i.e.
> 
> try
>  <some sql here>
> catch theError
>  processSQLError theError
> end try
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2015, at 01:19 , Pascal Lehner <tate83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am working on a desktop app that is running a SQLite database and might
>> well end up as a HTML5 server version with MySQL in the not-so-far future.
>> For this I want to have some sort of input validation to avoid security and
>> XSS incidents.
>> 
>> Does anyone have a library or function to "sanitize" any sql statement
>> before running it against the database? Or how do you do this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Pascal
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 16:21:51 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:21:51 +0000
Subject: Open Socket With Messages
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSos2BfQZ3Dc-GZqOmeazZEF=g16y3Q_78QKeG-icYqm4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSos2BfQZ3Dc-GZqOmeazZEF=g16y3Q_78QKeG-icYqm4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F05109EB-30F8-40EF-8C07-60171BB99F61@iotecdigital.com>

It doesn?t wait. It passes the wait for messages just fine. I am using wait for messages because that is what the dictionary says I should be doing if I need to wait for the connection to be made before proceeding, otherwise the script will just keep going, which is precisely what I do NOT want it to do.

Now if *ANY* livecode message will cause it to pass muster, then that is bad, because livecode is sending messages all the time.

In this case, I am only opening one socket so I don?t need to check which one.

I already went on to try getting the parameter and putting that instead of the literal ?connected!?. Still the callback handler is not getting triggered. That is really the issue here. The result is empty indicating that there is no error, yet the callback handler is not getting triggered.

Bob S


On Jul 6, 2015, at 12:59 , Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com<mailto:bonnmike at gmail.com>> wrote:

A couple things.. Remove the wait for messages, its not needed and is
probably a bad idea.

Then, since you're opening a secure socket, you might need to specify with,
or without verification (depending on your needs of course)

Also, there is a parameter that is passed along with the message that
contains the socket id.

So on socketConnected should be "on socketConnected pSocketId"
at which point you know which socket has completed.  (Since multiple
sockets can be open, this way you know WHICH one just finished opening)
I'd recommend looking at internet_chat.rev if you haven't.  YOu can get it
by going to resources (button on the LC bar) and on the left under sample
projects, there it is.

I think the biggest issue though is wait for messages.  It'd just sit there
waiting for something, but it has no clue what.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 16:23:06 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:23:06 +0000
Subject: Open Socket With Messages
In-Reply-To: <DF97FFAD-5B25-4DAC-9B2F-AFC1207E9DF9@canelasoftware.com>
References: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
	<DF97FFAD-5B25-4DAC-9B2F-AFC1207E9DF9@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20CB8CB2-4D47-43F4-8A14-5E25CE2EE822@iotecdigital.com>

I am connecting to a mySQL server so I do not need to manage the host.

Bob S


On Jul 6, 2015, at 12:59 , Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com<mailto:eric at canelasoftware.com>> wrote:

Did you accept connection on port aConnection["deport?]?

I think it?s possible for the open socket to remain in the openSockets list until the connection times out. Grab message socketTimeout pSocketID to see if it?s timing out without connecting.

Eric

On Jul 6, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:





From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Jul  6 16:32:10 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:32:10 -0400
Subject: put url web service timeout
In-Reply-To: <D1C02CA8.696C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>	<D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<553309B4-DE54-45A5-8165-16AFB6C0372A@iotecdigital.com>	<CA+uh5kgQHk3ni_1e3bjCZKa1ViV7HuNM9ptbO_fs=SNB43LEAw@mail.gmail.com>	<77375E9F-ED17-4AF9-A18D-357D895181BF@iotecdigital.com>
	<D1C02CA8.696C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <007001d0b82a$d5d24990$8176dcb0$@net>

I created a web service with a "wait 30 seconds" before I return data.
When I access my web service from a browser the browser hangs for 30 seconds
and returned data is as expected.
When I do a ===>put url
("http://myaccount.on-rev.com/myservice.lc?info1=blah) into MyVar<== it
times out in about 9 or 10 seconds and MyVar is empty. 
I tried doing a ==>set the httpheaders to "Timeout: 100000"<== with no joy.
If I reduce the wait in the server code to a 5 seconds then MyVar contains
the expected data(after a 5 seconds wait) Anyone know what I am missing? The
reason I am testing long delays is to debug why my sendmail request to the
web service was returning empty. Sendmail on the server is taking 11 seconds
to finish so I never received a return status.


Thank You!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 16:38:43 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:38:43 +0000
Subject: menu buttons and showname
In-Reply-To: <D1C02CA8.696C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<553309B4-DE54-45A5-8165-16AFB6C0372A@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kgQHk3ni_1e3bjCZKa1ViV7HuNM9ptbO_fs=SNB43LEAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<77375E9F-ED17-4AF9-A18D-357D895181BF@iotecdigital.com>
	<D1C02CA8.696C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <FF558887-A2E8-477E-9A25-033C0C03F1A0@iotecdigital.com>

Agreed. Which brings me back to the point that when the label of a popup menu is empty there ought to be some default behavior like displaying the tootTip or a property containing a value the developer can set. I think we are all agreed that what it ought NOT to do is display the object name. Workarounds are plentiful, but as I stated before this is not about a workaround, it is about a control that doesn?t need workarounds to function as you might expect.

Bob S


On Jul 6, 2015, at 13:04 , Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com<mailto:scott at tactilemedia.com>> wrote:

Hi Bob:

I would propose that empty is not an informative value for a user.
Something like "<no selection>" or a call to action "Select an option" is
going to be more helpful than an empty line.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 16:46:09 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:46:09 +0000
Subject: Open Socket With Messages
In-Reply-To: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
References: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <ED2C35F9-EEEA-40E0-AB1C-64048F965E7D@iotecdigital.com>

Out of curiosity, would having these handlers in a frontscript be a problem?

Bob S





From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Jul  6 16:49:22 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 20:49:22 +0000
Subject: Database Input Validation
In-Reply-To: <CANi4YQYLdEKvWjXFjSdDV_c-hvFR2CCpwAPdEArhTRMZr68GVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANi4YQYLdEKvWjXFjSdDV_c-hvFR2CCpwAPdEArhTRMZr68GVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMqvP7CJdWCXxNjNT5g6UEfRAbodE_p1b61idXtq1kDuw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pascal,
I assume you're referring to SQL injection attacks.

You can avoid them by using the varslist/arrayname parameter of
revDataFromQuery/revQueryDatabase/revExecute SQL.  See the dictionary for
more details but it involves using placeholders in your SQL statements and
loading the values for those placeholders into separate variables or a
numerically keyed array.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:20 AM Pascal Lehner <tate83 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am working on a desktop app that is running a SQLite database and might
> well end up as a HTML5 server version with MySQL in the not-so-far future.
> For this I want to have some sort of input validation to avoid security and
> XSS incidents.
>
> Does anyone have a library or function to "sanitize" any sql statement
> before running it against the database? Or how do you do this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pascal
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 16:54:20 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:54:20 -0600
Subject: Open Socket With Messages
In-Reply-To: <ED2C35F9-EEEA-40E0-AB1C-64048F965E7D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
	<ED2C35F9-EEEA-40E0-AB1C-64048F965E7D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoTRF9aVWacCwv5qR=VOBdi_eymmP0ghLxpOz8Li-Su1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm. YOu might check socketError

Also, in 7.0.5, I just tried this in a button.

on mouseUp
   put "www.google.com:443" into theSocket
   open secure socket to theSocket with message socketConnected
   wait for messages
   put  "HI!" & cr
end mouseUp
on socketConnected pSocket
   -- callBack for open socket commands
   put the openSockets into theOpenSockets
   put merge("Connected to socket: [[pSocket & cr]]") after msg
   close socket pSocket

   put merge("Socket [[pSocket]] now closed") after msg
end socketConnected

I left the "wait for messages" in just to test something.

Interestingly, the "HI!" is put into the message box first, which kinda
indicates another message is making it pop before the socketConnected
fires.

But I figure, moving the stuff that you don't want to run into the handler
specified using "with message" makes it so that it won't run until the
connection is complete anyway.  Having said that, no clue why its not
working for you, though I seem to recall Dr H having trouble with "secure"
connections in the past, and there having been a bug of some type.  What
version of LC are you using?

The dictionary does says the "wait for messages" form will trigger from any
message. And the way the message box is populated it seems to confirm.  HI
shows up, then "connected, then "disconnected"

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> Out of curiosity, would having these handlers in a frontscript be a
> problem?
>
> Bob S
>
>
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Jul  6 17:01:04 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:01:04 +0000
Subject: [OT] SQLite/Unicode
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePUGugsGAxfTdLyTA1BcDiMVqzOgkn-KLfLzo+Ws=Yu0w@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you wanting to use Unicode with an SQLite database, I came
across this on the SQLite list:

https://bitbucket.org/alekseyt/nunicode#markdown-header-sqlite3-extension

Livecode 7 makes it very easy to insert and retrieve Unicode data to/from
an SQlite database but there are some functions within SQlite that don't
work correctly with Unicode, specifically upper(), lower(), COLLATE and X
LIKE Y.

The above sqlite extension makes those function work.  It's a library that
is loadable at runtime.

To load a runtime extension from Livecode:

- use the "extensions" keyword of the revOpendatabase sqliteoptions
parameter

- use the SQLite load_extension() function to load the library.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 17:15:05 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:15:05 +0000
Subject: Open Socket With Messages
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoTRF9aVWacCwv5qR=VOBdi_eymmP0ghLxpOz8Li-Su1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
	<ED2C35F9-EEEA-40E0-AB1C-64048F965E7D@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoTRF9aVWacCwv5qR=VOBdi_eymmP0ghLxpOz8Li-Su1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54DB6473-B0D6-4F0C-8AEE-360E2397D872@iotecdigital.com>

I figured it out. First, wait for messages is just this side of useless. *ANY* message that comes through will do, not just messages from the open socket command. Secondly, I just set up my own wait loop that exits when the socket is in the openSockets or else times out after 10 seconds. This will work for me. 

I went back to the dictionary and read more thoroughly what wait for messages does, and while it is working as advertised, it is fairly worthless in it?s present form unless you find a way to trap for *ALL* messages and only respond to the callback, which is way more involved than it ought to be. 

Bob S


> On Jul 6, 2015, at 13:54 , Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmm. YOu might check socketError
> 


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 17:37:22 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:37:22 +0300
Subject: Using GIMP to make buttons
Message-ID: <559AF512.3040106@gmail.com>

My tutorial is now available:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tyt4o1md51bfair/AABThCCgJkqLQvz1e-NRQGg7a?dl=0 File: 
GB.zip

If you like it please go here:  https://www.facebook.com/RMLCclasses

and click "Like".

Richmond.



From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 19:14:14 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:14:14 -0700
Subject: including a library in a standalone
Message-ID: <CANQHZSH86=KXhpGYz5SFG0+Jnv9SnsVhMzePMYnhAu1vOodZfg@mail.gmail.com>

I happily managed to get the library stack working for shared routines in
pretty much a matter of minutes.

I've got my routine to prepare for compile copying the library stack to the
project stack.

However, I assumed "library stack libStackName" would work in a standalone,
but it creates errors error 91 and 568 (can't find stack).

I very much do not want to have a stack hanging around to potentially have
its routine's called, password protected or not; I want a monolithic app.

Is inserting as a back script there way to go?  And if so, would I be
better off doing the same in the IDE rather than as a library?

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From sc at sahores-conseil.com  Mon Jul  6 19:29:49 2015
From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 01:29:49 +0200
Subject: put url web service timeout
In-Reply-To: <007001d0b82a$d5d24990$8176dcb0$@net>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<553309B4-DE54-45A5-8165-16AFB6C0372A@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kgQHk3ni_1e3bjCZKa1ViV7HuNM9ptbO_fs=SNB43LEAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<77375E9F-ED17-4AF9-A18D-357D895181BF@iotecdigital.com>
	<D1C02CA8.696C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<007001d0b82a$d5d24990$8176dcb0$@net>
Message-ID: <0E8B7A3E-CEBE-4682-A635-CCE4146C8846@sahores-conseil.com>

Should this sendmail script helps ?

function emailLC7 pTo, pSub, pMsg, pFrom, pFromName
   local tMsg
   put "From:" && pFromName && "<" & pFrom & ">" & cr & "To:" && pTo & cr & "Subject:" && pSub & cr & "Content-Type: text/html; charset=" & setQuote("utf-8") & cr & cr & pMsg into tMsg
   put the tempName into tFile
   put tMsg into url ("binfile:" & tFile)
   put "/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -t -f" && setQuote(escapeShellArg("<" & tFromEmail & ">")) && "<" && setQuote(escapeShellArg(tFile)) into tCmd
   put shell(tCmd) into tOutput
   delete file tFile
end emailLC7

function escapeShellArg pString
   repeat for each char tChar in ("\`!$" & quote)
      replace tChar with ("\" & tChar) in pString
   end repeat
   return pString
end escapeShellArg

function setQuote texte
	return quote & texte & quote
end setQuote

Works fine against LC Server 7

note : pTo param can handle multiple emails in using ? , ? as the itemdelimiter
--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com

> Le 6 juil. 2015 ? 22:32, Ralph DiMola <rdimola at evergreeninfo.net> a ?crit :
> 
> The
> reason I am testing long delays is to debug why my sendmail request to the
> web service was returning empty. Sendmail on the server is taking 11 seconds
> to finish so I never received a return status.




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 19:41:09 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 17:41:09 -0600
Subject: including a library in a standalone
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH86=KXhpGYz5SFG0+Jnv9SnsVhMzePMYnhAu1vOodZfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSH86=KXhpGYz5SFG0+Jnv9SnsVhMzePMYnhAu1vOodZfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrKw4z6MXuzGimo7iEy1Mc7rwVQz3YUnUJvKuzsa8+f5g@mail.gmail.com>

The library stack is a substack of the mainstack I assume?  If so, make
sure you haven''t set things so that it breaks out substacks into separate
stackfiles.  (at which point its no longer monolithic) If the library stack
isn't a substack, you should make it so that it is.(in code, set the
mainstack of stack "librarystack" to "NameOfTheMainstack")

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> I happily managed to get the library stack working for shared routines in
> pretty much a matter of minutes.
>
> I've got my routine to prepare for compile copying the library stack to the
> project stack.
>
> However, I assumed "library stack libStackName" would work in a standalone,
> but it creates errors error 91 and 568 (can't find stack).
>
> I very much do not want to have a stack hanging around to potentially have
> its routine's called, password protected or not; I want a monolithic app.
>
> Is inserting as a back script there way to go?  And if so, would I be
> better off doing the same in the IDE rather than as a library?
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Jul  6 19:56:35 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 23:56:35 +0000
Subject: [OT] OpenSSL GUI
Message-ID: <DF3BC138-56E1-416C-9ECB-AD64171687E0@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all. 

I have struggled all day long with generating a self-signed SSL cert following exact instructions from several different sites. As usual, people post as though it?s a cinch, but when following their instructions, what I run into is a series of errors that OpenSSL generates as it repeatedly fails to do what I am telling to do. 

What I really need (and what ought to be part of the openssl download) is a Graphical User Interface that takes care of all the details for me. Anyone know where I can dl one? I googled this but of course I get a lot of crap that takes me just about anywhere *except* where they say they are taking me. 

Bob S



From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 20:05:23 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 17:05:23 -0700
Subject: "save as" of stack file from a script
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eN2r7Pr-dyjbH2j6gZ1h1+eJhLsSB7W+iDrc30L-0Sgug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFCHpjgU+Mer=ZSiWymAo_nKG-eC8hVpYJLN4TVRJND=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<55972F39.8090101@fourthworld.com>
	<CANQHZSGghfpNtWVoy9NKtsoQdxfJUPX4NsWx9yDhS6dxKu4heA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eN2r7Pr-dyjbH2j6gZ1h1+eJhLsSB7W+iDrc30L-0Sgug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGa+XKk2XO=HzHkE9Z-K7Y-UYRQKiMAXG9ROx6vmr14-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> *dispatch* "revSaveAsStandalone" to stack "revSaveAsStandalone" with
> "<yourstackname>"
>

This worked wonderfully.

At least after I fixed the way the save folder gets automatically set to
match my new changes.


-- 
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(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 20:08:15 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 17:08:15 -0700
Subject: including a library in a standalone
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrKw4z6MXuzGimo7iEy1Mc7rwVQz3YUnUJvKuzsa8+f5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSH86=KXhpGYz5SFG0+Jnv9SnsVhMzePMYnhAu1vOodZfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrKw4z6MXuzGimo7iEy1Mc7rwVQz3YUnUJvKuzsa8+f5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSE+J3KPUM6_jOLbiWE0wcHR8ELDyvOuKVEG1AJLZU5Y9g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> The library stack is a substack of the mainstack I assume?  If so, make
> sure you haven''t set things so that it breaks out substacks into separate
> stackfiles.  (at which point its no longer monolithic) If the library stack
> isn't a substack, you should make it so that it is.(in code, set the
> mainstack of stack "librarystack" to "NameOfTheMainstack")
>

It's a fresh substack.

My prepCmpl routine copies the entire file, deletes extraneous stacks, and
then adds a couple of stacks from the library back in, and then it compiles.

A quick "answer exists(stack "dhLib")" confirmed that the stack was indeed
in the standalone, but "library dhLib" fails.

And now I'm back to the very long compile times; I think it's been at it
over ten minutes . . .


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Jul  6 20:44:08 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:44:08 +0000
Subject: including a library in a standalone
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSE+J3KPUM6_jOLbiWE0wcHR8ELDyvOuKVEG1AJLZU5Y9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSH86=KXhpGYz5SFG0+Jnv9SnsVhMzePMYnhAu1vOodZfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrKw4z6MXuzGimo7iEy1Mc7rwVQz3YUnUJvKuzsa8+f5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSE+J3KPUM6_jOLbiWE0wcHR8ELDyvOuKVEG1AJLZU5Y9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePF4dtDj44eE9S1V7KojuKVfYyYsXKHfuK3_qci_kxS0Q@mail.gmail.com>

I've only used the "start using" synonym for "library" but with it you have
to include the word library so maybe library stack "dhLib" will work.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:08 PM Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The library stack is a substack of the mainstack I assume?  If so, make
> > sure you haven''t set things so that it breaks out substacks into
> separate
> > stackfiles.  (at which point its no longer monolithic) If the library
> stack
> > isn't a substack, you should make it so that it is.(in code, set the
> > mainstack of stack "librarystack" to "NameOfTheMainstack")
> >
>
> It's a fresh substack.
>
> My prepCmpl routine copies the entire file, deletes extraneous stacks, and
> then adds a couple of stacks from the library back in, and then it
> compiles.
>
> A quick "answer exists(stack "dhLib")" confirmed that the stack was indeed
> in the standalone, but "library dhLib" fails.
>
> And now I'm back to the very long compile times; I think it's been at it
> over ten minutes . . .
>
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 22:18:06 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:18:06 -0700
Subject: Open Socket With Messages
In-Reply-To: <54DB6473-B0D6-4F0C-8AEE-360E2397D872@iotecdigital.com>
References: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
	<ED2C35F9-EEEA-40E0-AB1C-64048F965E7D@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoTRF9aVWacCwv5qR=VOBdi_eymmP0ghLxpOz8Li-Su1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<54DB6473-B0D6-4F0C-8AEE-360E2397D872@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHdn+S=bCYvomaiUoVYqJjJPeBmK2YCYAaqW1ORPVBiqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> I went back to the dictionary and read more thoroughly what wait for
> messages does, and while it is working as advertised, it is fairly
> worthless in it?s present form unless you find a way to trap for *ALL*
> messages and only respond to the callback, which is way more involved than
> it ought to be.
>

I have ended up with a "wait 0 for messages".  It allows things to happen,
without waiting for them..


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Jul  6 22:32:46 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:32:46 -0400
Subject: put url web service timeout
In-Reply-To: <0E8B7A3E-CEBE-4682-A635-CCE4146C8846@sahores-conseil.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>	<D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<553309B4-DE54-45A5-8165-16AFB6C0372A@iotecdigital.com>	<CA+uh5kgQHk3ni_1e3bjCZKa1ViV7HuNM9ptbO_fs=SNB43LEAw@mail.gmail.com>	<77375E9F-ED17-4AF9-A18D-357D895181BF@iotecdigital.com>	<D1C02CA8.696C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<007001d0b82a$d5d24990$8176dcb0$@net>
	<0E8B7A3E-CEBE-4682-A635-CCE4146C8846@sahores-conseil.com>
Message-ID: <008f01d0b85d$35ad8d20$a108a760$@net>

Pierre,

Thanks! I am doing the same thing (even the same escapeShellArg and setQuote). The big delay is when I send mail to other domains than on-rev.com. I would think that the 10 second timeout in the LC client should be able to be increased somehow.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
Cell: 518-796-9332


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Sahores
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:30 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: put url web service timeout

Should this sendmail script helps ?

function emailLC7 pTo, pSub, pMsg, pFrom, pFromName
   local tMsg
   put "From:" && pFromName && "<" & pFrom & ">" & cr & "To:" && pTo & cr & "Subject:" && pSub & cr & "Content-Type: text/html; charset=" & setQuote("utf-8") & cr & cr & pMsg into tMsg
   put the tempName into tFile
   put tMsg into url ("binfile:" & tFile)
   put "/usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -t -f" && setQuote(escapeShellArg("<" & tFromEmail & ">")) && "<" && setQuote(escapeShellArg(tFile)) into tCmd
   put shell(tCmd) into tOutput
   delete file tFile
end emailLC7

function escapeShellArg pString
   repeat for each char tChar in ("\`!$" & quote)
      replace tChar with ("\" & tChar) in pString
   end repeat
   return pString
end escapeShellArg

function setQuote texte
	return quote & texte & quote
end setQuote

Works fine against LC Server 7

note : pTo param can handle multiple emails in using ? , ? as the itemdelimiter
--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com

> Le 6 juil. 2015 ? 22:32, Ralph DiMola <rdimola at evergreeninfo.net> a ?crit :
> 
> The
> reason I am testing long delays is to debug why my sendmail request to 
> the web service was returning empty. Sendmail on the server is taking 
> 11 seconds to finish so I never received a return status.


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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul  7 00:58:08 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 23:58:08 -0500
Subject: including a library in a standalone
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH86=KXhpGYz5SFG0+Jnv9SnsVhMzePMYnhAu1vOodZfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSH86=KXhpGYz5SFG0+Jnv9SnsVhMzePMYnhAu1vOodZfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <559B5C60.5050103@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/6/2015 6:14 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

> Is inserting as a back script there way to go?  And if so, would I be
> better off doing the same in the IDE rather than as a library?
>

Unless something has changed since I last heard, the only difference 
between "start using" and "insert <script> into back" is the position in 
the backscripts layering. A stack in use is inserted before the Home 
script in the IDE (for HC compatibility,) whereas a backscript comes 
after the Home script. In a standalone, the first mainstack opened is 
"home" and I assume the layering will be the same there.

In general, unless you have same-named handlers in the home stack, 
backscripts and stacks in use are pretty much interchangeable.

I've never had a substack fail to be found so I'm not sure why yours 
aren't. But try "start using" and see if that makes a difference.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Jul  7 04:12:28 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:12:28 +0200
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
Message-ID: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>

Hello,

I have an option file, which should be read/writable for all users.

The only path I found is specialFolderPath("sdat"), which is e.g. on Win 7
"C:\ProgramData"

But this directory has write restrictions and usually, when updating a file
in this directory it gets virtualized since Win Vista in:
"C:\Users\<MyUser>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\ProgramData" which results in
that behavior, that every user has it's own copy of the original file. This
happens though I am logged on as a user belonging to the admin group.

On the other hand I have seen files which are being update in
"C:\programData" without being virtualized and I don't know the difference,
when the virtualization happens.

1.     Where do you put files, write accessable for all users on win?

2.     How do you handle this nasty virtualization?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 



From tate83 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 04:19:23 2015
From: tate83 at gmail.com (Pascal Lehner)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:19:23 +0200
Subject: Database Input Validation
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMqvP7CJdWCXxNjNT5g6UEfRAbodE_p1b61idXtq1kDuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANi4YQYLdEKvWjXFjSdDV_c-hvFR2CCpwAPdEArhTRMZr68GVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMqvP7CJdWCXxNjNT5g6UEfRAbodE_p1b61idXtq1kDuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANi4YQbr=DyO5L2=j3j5Sa7Vw_sN_DJgFzfp+U7YNQ7sPfEhSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter and Bob,

Thanks for your ideas.
I think I found a good way by doing a input check for the user fields on
closeField to avoid totally wrong information and then I will store this
unicode encoded in the database.
This should avoid quite a few problems from the start.

Regards,
Pascal

2015-07-06 22:49 GMT+02:00 Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>:

> Hi Pascal,
> I assume you're referring to SQL injection attacks.
>
> You can avoid them by using the varslist/arrayname parameter of
> revDataFromQuery/revQueryDatabase/revExecute SQL.  See the dictionary for
> more details but it involves using placeholders in your SQL statements and
> loading the values for those placeholders into separate variables or a
> numerically keyed array.
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:20 AM Pascal Lehner <tate83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am working on a desktop app that is running a SQLite database and might
> > well end up as a HTML5 server version with MySQL in the not-so-far
> future.
> > For this I want to have some sort of input validation to avoid security
> and
> > XSS incidents.
> >
> > Does anyone have a library or function to "sanitize" any sql statement
> > before running it against the database? Or how do you do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Pascal
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Tue Jul  7 04:51:43 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:51:43 +0200
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <55996C88.8020706@ahsoftware.net>
References: <55981E81.4050800@ahsoftware.net>
	<559966F8.9020205@fourthworld.com> <55996C88.8020706@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <ea704415524dbfd6340b59023bf84897@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-05 19:42, Mark Wieder wrote:
> On 07/05/2015 10:18 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>>  > I've never been able to launch from the installer window, and I've
>>  > rather given up trying.
>> 
>> This was fixed several months ago with some of the GDK improvements
>> Fraser implemented in v7.
> 
> But hasn't been backported to LC6, i.e., it still doesn't work.

Hi Mark,

I've briefly spoken to Fraser about your e-mail this morning, and I'm 
afraid that we've determined that it's not feasible to backport the 
Linux desktop integration refactor project (including the port to GDK).  
It depends heavily on many of the other enhancements that have been 
added to LiveCode 7, so a "backport" would in fact mean "do the entire 
project again in a different and incompatible way".  I'm afraid we're 
unlikely to have the resources for this in the foreseeable future.

Is there a bug report for the "can't launch from installer" issue?  I 
had a search in BugZilla and couldn't spot it.  Thank you for filing 
15575 BTW.

                                      Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team



From gWolfgang at gaich.de  Tue Jul  7 04:52:39 2015
From: gWolfgang at gaich.de (G.W.Gaich)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:52:39 +0200
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
In-Reply-To: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <559B9357.5010506@gaich.de>

Hello Tiemo,

you can use the public folder . Have a look here:
http://www.7tutorials.com/what-public-folder-how-use-it

(e.g. specialFolderPath("0x002E") is C:/Users/Public/Documents

Best
G?nter


Am 07.07.2015 um 10:12 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB:
> Hello,
>
> I have an option file, which should be read/writable for all users.
>
> The only path I found is specialFolderPath("sdat"), which is e.g. on Win 7
> "C:\ProgramData"
>
> But this directory has write restrictions and usually, when updating a file
> in this directory it gets virtualized since Win Vista in:
> "C:\Users\<MyUser>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\ProgramData" which results in
> that behavior, that every user has it's own copy of the original file. This
> happens though I am logged on as a user belonging to the admin group.
>
> On the other hand I have seen files which are being update in
> "C:\programData" without being virtualized and I don't know the difference,
> when the virtualization happens.
>
> 1.     Where do you put files, write accessable for all users on win?
>
> 2.     How do you handle this nasty virtualization?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tiemo
>
>   
>
>   
>
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Tue Jul  7 05:42:46 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 11:42:46 +0200
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
	=?UTF-8?Q?users=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-07 10:12, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> I have an option file, which should be read/writable for all users.

Hi Tiemo,

Please note that this goes against security best practice.  
Configuration files that are readable by all users should only be 
writable to privileged users, i.e. administrators.  If all users can 
read and write a single configuration file, this is very often an 
exploitable security flaw.

If at all possible, I recommend to design your software so that each 
user gets his or her own configuration file.  The "virtualisation" that 
you are complaining about is actually a security *feature* in Windows in 
order to work around flaws in older software that attempts to use a 
single, "all users" configuration file!

                                         Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Jul  7 05:54:20 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 11:54:20 +0200
Subject: AW: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
In-Reply-To: <559B9357.5010506@gaich.de>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
	<559B9357.5010506@gaich.de>
Message-ID: <00d801d0b89a$e5d5e8e0$b181baa0$@kestner.de>

Hello G?nter,

I'm not sure, if the intention of this folder is to put application option
data into it. At least on my machine, no software is using this public path
for app data. So there is supposed to be another place to put such data.
But thanks for the hint, it could be at least a workaround.
Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von G.W.Gaich
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 10:53
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
users?

Hello Tiemo,

you can use the public folder . Have a look here:
http://www.7tutorials.com/what-public-folder-how-use-it

(e.g. specialFolderPath("0x002E") is C:/Users/Public/Documents

Best
G?nter


Am 07.07.2015 um 10:12 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB:
> Hello,
>
> I have an option file, which should be read/writable for all users.
>
> The only path I found is specialFolderPath("sdat"), which is e.g. on 
> Win 7 "C:\ProgramData"
>
> But this directory has write restrictions and usually, when updating a 
> file in this directory it gets virtualized since Win Vista in:
> "C:\Users\<MyUser>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\ProgramData" which 
> results in that behavior, that every user has it's own copy of the 
> original file. This happens though I am logged on as a user belonging to
the admin group.
>
> On the other hand I have seen files which are being update in 
> "C:\programData" without being virtualized and I don't know the 
> difference, when the virtualization happens.
>
> 1.     Where do you put files, write accessable for all users on win?
>
> 2.     How do you handle this nasty virtualization?
>
> Thanks
>
> Tiemo
>
>   
>
>   
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Jul  7 06:08:38 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:08:38 +0200
Subject: AW: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all	users?
In-Reply-To: <a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>

Hi Peter,

hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.

Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my option
file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the software should look
automatically for updates. If I think about schools, where different users
can log in the same computer, that?s why I wanted to keep one option file
for all users.
But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file into an
"admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the admin and a
"user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a single
options file which works in multi-user environments as on a private
single-user computer?
Tiemo


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von Peter TB Brett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 11:43
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
users?

On 2015-07-07 10:12, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> I have an option file, which should be read/writable for all users.

Hi Tiemo,

Please note that this goes against security best practice.  
Configuration files that are readable by all users should only be writable
to privileged users, i.e. administrators.  If all users can read and write a
single configuration file, this is very often an exploitable security flaw.

If at all possible, I recommend to design your software so that each user
gets his or her own configuration file.  The "virtualisation" that you are
complaining about is actually a security *feature* in Windows in order to
work around flaws in older software that attempts to use a single, "all
users" configuration file!

                                         Peter

--
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Tue Jul  7 06:17:21 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 11:17:21 +0100
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for
	=?UTF-8?Q?all=09users=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>
	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-07 11:08, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
> 
> Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my option
> file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the software should 
> look
> automatically for updates. If I think about schools, where different 
> users
> can log in the same computer, that?s why I wanted to keep one option 
> file
> for all users.
> 
> But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file into 
> an
> "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the admin and a
> "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
> 
> Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a 
> single
> options file which works in multi-user environments as on a private
> single-user computer?

Yes, that would be exactly the way I would recommend to structure 
things.  You could think of it as follows:

1. Settings that relate to the way the program is installed on the 
system (e.g. the video files' path, or whether to install updates) -- 
these are the "per-system" settings and should be controlled by the 
administrator only.

2. Settings that relate to the way the program is used (e.g. "enable the 
colour scheme for colour-blind users") -- these are the "per-user" 
settings and should be controlled (and stored) by each user.

It is sometimes a little bit difficult to think about at first.   
However, dividing the settings in this way means that one user can't 
mess things up for another user, or interfere with settings that the 
system administrator has put in for a good reason. :-)

The separation of "user" and "system" settings is the recommended way to 
structure things on most systems nowadays, especially Windows and Linux.

Don't forget that when you have a single-user computer, you can just 
treat it as a multi-user computer with one user!

                                Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From david at viral.academy  Tue Jul  7 06:21:18 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:21:18 +0200
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioMQ96khdab862VF5zYxxCphsC2U99StEON946H8bbb-WQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just turned up at Naples and transferred from bus to train. On route I
got surrounded by a team - someone slowed down from front, someone tapped
on my shoulder claiming dirt on my jacket and someone else pick-pocketed me
from the side - it was all done in the best possible taste.


I'm going to need a new phone.


On 5 July 2015 at 20:49, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok... You need to elaborate on that "pickpocket possy from Naples..."  I
> have a feeling it's a good story that must be shared.
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 2015, at 2:00 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> >
> > Yes there is. I'm in the middle of nowhere and just been professionaaly
> > pickpocketed by a possy from Naples - but when I get settled at the
> > symposium I should be able to help as I have a bunch of Mediawiki
> handlers
> > in a proto-library. I'm working on it at the moment so it's good timing
> :)
> >
> >> On Sunday, July 5, 2015, Mark Rauterkus <mark.rauterkus at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> David asked what software?
> >>
> >> YES. I am using WikiMedia software. It is on the server of course.
> >>
> >> I have a couple of wikis at wikia.com and then I do have it working on
> my
> >> virtual server too, so one day i might depart the wikia platform or
> mirror
> >> -- for extra control.
> >>
> >> I just made about 200 wiki pages by hand. I know that there must be
> ways to
> >> have LiveCode help to automate things on the wiki.
> >> Log in.
> >> Go to this page.
> >> Put VAR_text into these pages.
> >> Save.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ta.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mark Rauterkus       Mark at Rauterkus.com
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Jul  7 06:30:05 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:30:05 +0200
Subject: AW: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for	all	users?
In-Reply-To: <fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>

Thank you for your helpful thoughts.

How would I differentiate the access to these two different option sets? On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an admin I would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending on the log-in the appropriate options. But I never have seen a chance in LiveCode to ask for the user privileges (on Win and Mac) to be able to differentiate it. How is this usually be done?
Tiemo

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 12:17
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?

On 2015-07-07 11:08, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
> 
> Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my 
> option file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the software 
> should look automatically for updates. If I think about schools, where 
> different users can log in the same computer, that?s why I wanted to 
> keep one option file for all users.
> 
> But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file into 
> an "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the admin and a 
> "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
> 
> Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a 
> single options file which works in multi-user environments as on a 
> private single-user computer?

Yes, that would be exactly the way I would recommend to structure things.  You could think of it as follows:

1. Settings that relate to the way the program is installed on the system (e.g. the video files' path, or whether to install updates) -- these are the "per-system" settings and should be controlled by the administrator only.

2. Settings that relate to the way the program is used (e.g. "enable the colour scheme for colour-blind users") -- these are the "per-user" 
settings and should be controlled (and stored) by each user.

It is sometimes a little bit difficult to think about at first.   
However, dividing the settings in this way means that one user can't mess things up for another user, or interfere with settings that the system administrator has put in for a good reason. :-)

The separation of "user" and "system" settings is the recommended way to structure things on most systems nowadays, especially Windows and Linux.

Don't forget that when you have a single-user computer, you can just treat it as a multi-user computer with one user!

                                Peter

--
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Tue Jul  7 06:37:47 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 11:37:47 +0100
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users
In-Reply-To: <011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
References: "\"<00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>"
	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>"
	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>
	<011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <be0c27a735c60f8c3c80d346ebe8f7fc@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-07 11:30, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
> 
> How would I differentiate the access to these two different option
> sets? On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an
> admin I would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending
> on the log-in the appropriate options. But I never have seen a chance
> in LiveCode to ask for the user privileges (on Win and Mac) to be able
> to differentiate it. How is this usually be done?

The easiest way would be to check whether the current user is *able* to 
write to the "system" configuration file.  If they can, then show the 
administration options.  Otherwise, show a message saying that they need 
to re-run the program "as administrator".

Alternatively, you could use "open elevated process". 
http://livecode.com/resources/api/#livecode_script/open_process

I'm not actually sure what is the "right" to implement this pattern in 
LiveCode, so I would be very interested to hear about your solution...

                                  Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From david at viral.academy  Tue Jul  7 06:39:05 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:39:05 +0200
Subject: Using Shell
Message-ID: <CAGASioM7jta34G-Eqy9rfPq98T-mU7CGZkXUEAOYvpc6GSNrmg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi I've had a strange problem with using the shell command. everything
works as normal:

put shell ("ls -la")

But I have a shell command which works on the command line but not with
using the LiveCode shell command. So:

ipfs version

Works fine and returns:

ipfs version 0.3.2

Note the syntax is not "ipfs --version" or "ipfs -v". And the follwoing
command in LiveCode:

put shell ("ipfs version")

returns:

Error: Expected 0 arguments, got 1

Use 'ipfs version --help' for information about this command

So it seems that Livecode is treating the second word in a different way to
the actual shell.

Any ideas what to do?


From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Jul  7 07:28:12 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 13:28:12 +0200
Subject: AW: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users
In-Reply-To: <be0c27a735c60f8c3c80d346ebe8f7fc@livecode.com>
References: "\"<00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>"	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>"	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>	<011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
	<be0c27a735c60f8c3c80d346ebe8f7fc@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <011701d0b8a8$02f3c110$08db4330$@kestner.de>

Thank you for your input!

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Peter TB Brett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 12:38
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users

On 2015-07-07 11:30, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
> 
> How would I differentiate the access to these two different option 
> sets? On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an 
> admin I would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending 
> on the log-in the appropriate options. But I never have seen a chance 
> in LiveCode to ask for the user privileges (on Win and Mac) to be able 
> to differentiate it. How is this usually be done?

The easiest way would be to check whether the current user is *able* to
write to the "system" configuration file.  If they can, then show the
administration options.  Otherwise, show a message saying that they need to
re-run the program "as administrator".

Alternatively, you could use "open elevated process". 
http://livecode.com/resources/api/#livecode_script/open_process

I'm not actually sure what is the "right" to implement this pattern in
LiveCode, so I would be very interested to hear about your solution...

                                  Peter

--
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 08:24:59 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 06:24:59 -0600
Subject: Using Shell
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioM7jta34G-Eqy9rfPq98T-mU7CGZkXUEAOYvpc6GSNrmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioM7jta34G-Eqy9rfPq98T-mU7CGZkXUEAOYvpc6GSNrmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoyO9QjKYbkY2Dc54naEcvo3Pd_9CdpFSA0ibAPoeceDQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious, if you do
which ipfs
from the command line, vs from livecode shell, are they the same?

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:39 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> Hi I've had a strange problem with using the shell command. everything
> works as normal:
>
> put shell ("ls -la")
>
> But I have a shell command which works on the command line but not with
> using the LiveCode shell command. So:
>
> ipfs version
>
> Works fine and returns:
>
> ipfs version 0.3.2
>
> Note the syntax is not "ipfs --version" or "ipfs -v". And the follwoing
> command in LiveCode:
>
> put shell ("ipfs version")
>
> returns:
>
> Error: Expected 0 arguments, got 1
>
> Use 'ipfs version --help' for information about this command
>
> So it seems that Livecode is treating the second word in a different way to
> the actual shell.
>
> Any ideas what to do?
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Jul  7 08:52:49 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 13:52:49 +0100
Subject: livecode forums down ?
Message-ID: <DUB114-W66984156F7CF25FB18DCBED920@phx.gbl>

The title says it all... !?
 		 	   		  

From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul  7 08:54:38 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:54:38 +0200
Subject: livecode forums down ?
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W66984156F7CF25FB18DCBED920@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W66984156F7CF25FB18DCBED920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <98F265FA-CC17-4F57-A20D-D484D80D59AD@major-k.de>

Hi John,

> Am 07.07.2015 um 14:52 schrieb John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk>:
> 
> The title says it all... !?

looks like an Up and Down every 20 minutes in the last couple of days!
I was just writing a repsonse when BOOM the whole thing diappeared (again) :-/


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul  7 09:18:00 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 06:18:00 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <ea704415524dbfd6340b59023bf84897@livecode.com>
References: <ea704415524dbfd6340b59023bf84897@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <559BD188.8040902@fourthworld.com>

Peter TB Brett wrote:
 > Is there a bug report for the "can't launch from installer" issue?

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12876

Hanson notes there that this was fixed in v6.7rc3, but in my experience 
this has been fixed in v7.x only.  Maybe that was a typo on Hanson's 
part; either way is okay with me since I don't expect many fixes to be 
added to v6.x at this point.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 09:23:45 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 06:23:45 -0700
Subject: Using Shell
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioM7jta34G-Eqy9rfPq98T-mU7CGZkXUEAOYvpc6GSNrmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioM7jta34G-Eqy9rfPq98T-mU7CGZkXUEAOYvpc6GSNrmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSH8v2NBaah_JCrhEcEidYtnw145E2Yi6TYKk-UUSCAprA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 3:39 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> Any ideas what to do?
>

could it be finding a different program with the same name?  try "which
ipfs" from the shell and live code.  Also, what happens if you shell the
command it suggests?



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 08:47:06 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 06:47:06 -0600
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
In-Reply-To: <011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>
	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>
	<011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>

you might try specialfolderpath("0x0023") which is the common app data
folder. (app data for all users).  I can't test on xp.  On vista/7 the
directory is c:\ProgramData
On xp it should be c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ApplicationData

You'll probably want to create a subfolder for your app of course.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
wrote:

> Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
>
> How would I differentiate the access to these two different option sets?
> On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an admin I
> would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending on the log-in
> the appropriate options. But I never have seen a chance in LiveCode to ask
> for the user privileges (on Win and Mac) to be able to differentiate it.
> How is this usually be done?
> Tiemo
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 12:17
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
> users?
>
> On 2015-07-07 11:08, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
> >
> > Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my
> > option file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the software
> > should look automatically for updates. If I think about schools, where
> > different users can log in the same computer, that?s why I wanted to
> > keep one option file for all users.
> >
> > But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file into
> > an "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the admin and a
> > "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
> >
> > Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a
> > single options file which works in multi-user environments as on a
> > private single-user computer?
>
> Yes, that would be exactly the way I would recommend to structure things.
> You could think of it as follows:
>
> 1. Settings that relate to the way the program is installed on the system
> (e.g. the video files' path, or whether to install updates) -- these are
> the "per-system" settings and should be controlled by the administrator
> only.
>
> 2. Settings that relate to the way the program is used (e.g. "enable the
> colour scheme for colour-blind users") -- these are the "per-user"
> settings and should be controlled (and stored) by each user.
>
> It is sometimes a little bit difficult to think about at first.
> However, dividing the settings in this way means that one user can't mess
> things up for another user, or interfere with settings that the system
> administrator has put in for a good reason. :-)
>
> The separation of "user" and "system" settings is the recommended way to
> structure things on most systems nowadays, especially Windows and Linux.
>
> Don't forget that when you have a single-user computer, you can just treat
> it as a multi-user computer with one user!
>
>                                 Peter
>
> --
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> LiveCode Engine Development Team
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul  7 09:37:17 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 06:37:17 -0700
Subject: livecode forums down ?
In-Reply-To: <98F265FA-CC17-4F57-A20D-D484D80D59AD@major-k.de>
References: <98F265FA-CC17-4F57-A20D-D484D80D59AD@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <559BD60D.6090703@fourthworld.com>

Klaus major-k wrote:

 > looks like an Up and Down every 20 minutes in the last couple of days!
 > I was just writing a repsonse when BOOM the whole thing diappeared
 > (again) :-/

As I've noted here before, it seems the domain is under DDoS attack. 
The team is aware of it and fighting it as best they can, but the 
problem with a smartly executed DDoS is that it'll use a rented botnet, 
making the traffic practically indistinguishable from legitimate visitors.

What I can't figure out is who's so annoyed with a high-level 
multi-platform development tool to rent a botnet?

@Mark Wieder: WWKD - "What would Kyle do?"

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul  7 09:38:01 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:38:01 +0200
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>
	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>
	<011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
	<CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC6EF6EF-DE69-49B2-A5C4-DDA24A622FB0@major-k.de>

HI Tiemo,

my reference for avaiable specialfolderpaths: 
<http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/livecode/tips/file010.htm>

The rest of the site isn?t bad either :-)

> Am 07.07.2015 um 14:47 schrieb Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>:
> 
> you might try specialfolderpath("0x0023") which is the common app data
> folder. (app data for all users).  I can't test on xp.  On vista/7 the
> directory is c:\ProgramData
> On xp it should be c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ApplicationData
> 
> You'll probably want to create a subfolder for your app of course.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
>> 
>> How would I differentiate the access to these two different option sets?
>> On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an admin I
>> would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending on the log-in
>> the appropriate options. But I never have seen a chance in LiveCode to ask
>> for the user privileges (on Win and Mac) to be able to differentiate it.
>> How is this usually be done?
>> Tiemo

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From pystcat at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 09:40:22 2015
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 09:40:22 -0400
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioMQ96khdab862VF5zYxxCphsC2U99StEON946H8bbb-WQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMQ96khdab862VF5zYxxCphsC2U99StEON946H8bbb-WQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB2ABE63-1DD7-45BA-9ECF-4211C3EC1D0F@gmail.com>

Wow... I've seen that done on TV but never knew anyone that had it done to them.  I hope you're alright and may you have a safer and uneventful journey.



> On Jul 7, 2015, at 6:21 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> I just turned up at Naples and transferred from bus to train. On route I
> got surrounded by a team - someone slowed down from front, someone tapped
> on my shoulder claiming dirt on my jacket and someone else pick-pocketed me
> from the side - it was all done in the best possible taste.
> 
> 
> I'm going to need a new phone.
> 
> 
>> On 5 July 2015 at 20:49, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok... You need to elaborate on that "pickpocket possy from Naples..."  I
>> have a feeling it's a good story that must be shared.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2015, at 2:00 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes there is. I'm in the middle of nowhere and just been professionaaly
>>> pickpocketed by a possy from Naples - but when I get settled at the
>>> symposium I should be able to help as I have a bunch of Mediawiki
>> handlers
>>> in a proto-library. I'm working on it at the moment so it's good timing
>> :)
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, July 5, 2015, Mark Rauterkus <mark.rauterkus at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> David asked what software?
>>>> 
>>>> YES. I am using WikiMedia software. It is on the server of course.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a couple of wikis at wikia.com and then I do have it working on
>> my
>>>> virtual server too, so one day i might depart the wikia platform or
>> mirror
>>>> -- for extra control.
>>>> 
>>>> I just made about 200 wiki pages by hand. I know that there must be
>> ways to
>>>> have LiveCode help to automate things on the wiki.
>>>> Log in.
>>>> Go to this page.
>>>> Put VAR_text into these pages.
>>>> Save.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Ta.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark Rauterkus       Mark at Rauterkus.com
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From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul  7 09:40:27 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:40:27 +0200
Subject: livecode forums down ?
In-Reply-To: <559BD60D.6090703@fourthworld.com>
References: <98F265FA-CC17-4F57-A20D-D484D80D59AD@major-k.de>
	<559BD60D.6090703@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D69DA979-E79C-49EB-BBCC-805828BDBDAE@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Am 07.07.2015 um 15:37 schrieb Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>:
> 
> Klaus major-k wrote:
> 
> > looks like an Up and Down every 20 minutes in the last couple of days!
> > I was just writing a repsonse when BOOM the whole thing diappeared
> > (again) :-/
> 
> As I've noted here before, it seems the domain is under DDoS attack. The team is aware of it and fighting it as best they can, but the problem with a smartly executed DDoS is that it'll use a rented botnet, making the traffic practically indistinguishable from legitimate visitors.
> 
> What I can't figure out is who's so annoyed with a high-level multi-platform development tool to rent a botnet?

yep, or try to sell UGG Boots etc? to developers :-D

> @Mark Wieder: WWKD - "What would Kyle do??

Who is Kyle?
i only know WWJD :-)

> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul  7 10:15:08 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 07:15:08 -0700
Subject: livecode forums down ?
In-Reply-To: <D69DA979-E79C-49EB-BBCC-805828BDBDAE@major-k.de>
References: <D69DA979-E79C-49EB-BBCC-805828BDBDAE@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <559BDEEC.5030507@fourthworld.com>

Klaus major-k wrote:

 >> Am 07.07.2015 um 15:37 schrieb Richard Gaskin:
 >> @Mark Wieder: WWKD - "What would Kyle do??
 >
 > Who is Kyle?
 > i only know WWJD :-)

Mark has the privilege of working with Kyle Rankin, distinguished author 
and Linux expert:
<http://www.linuxjournal.com/users/kyle-rankin>
<http://www.oreilly.com/pub/au/1849>

His Ubuntu Server book, Linux Journal column, and other works have 
taught me half of everything I've learned about that platform.

He's working on a pair of books I can't wait to see released, both on 
security with one aimed at system admins and the other at end-users.

He's also an accomplished brewer (if you've ever tried your hand at 
making beer you know how challenging it can be), and has used his Linux 
skills to control his refrigerator temperature for the optimal 
fermentation temperature, described in this fun article:
<http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10809>

Whenever he speaks at the SoCal Linux Expo I make sure to attend his 
sessions, always well rewarded with gems like this talk on using routers 
as an exercise in penetration testing:
<https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/presentations/practice-penetration-testing-your-home-router.html>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul  7 10:30:01 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 16:30:01 +0200
Subject: livecode forums down ?
In-Reply-To: <559BDEEC.5030507@fourthworld.com>
References: <D69DA979-E79C-49EB-BBCC-805828BDBDAE@major-k.de>
	<559BDEEC.5030507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C7EEED64-E0D9-4070-92E7-D0FBB8DDC1E3@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Am 07.07.2015 um 16:15 schrieb Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>:
> 
> Klaus major-k wrote:
> 
> >> Am 07.07.2015 um 15:37 schrieb Richard Gaskin:
> >> @Mark Wieder: WWKD - "What would Kyle do??
> >
> > Who is Kyle?
> > i only know WWJD :-)
> 
> Mark has the privilege of working with Kyle Rankin, distinguished author and Linux expert:
> <http://www.linuxjournal.com/users/kyle-rankin>
> <http://www.oreilly.com/pub/au/1849>
> 
> His Ubuntu Server book, Linux Journal column, and other works have taught me half of everything I've learned about that platform.
> 
> He's working on a pair of books I can't wait to see released, both on security with one aimed at system admins and the other at end-users.
> 
> He's also an accomplished brewer (if you've ever tried your hand at making beer you know how challenging it can be), and has used his Linux skills to control his refrigerator temperature for the optimal fermentation temperature, described in this fun article:
> <http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10809>
> 
> Whenever he speaks at the SoCal Linux Expo I make sure to attend his sessions, always well rewarded with gems like this talk on using routers as an exercise in penetration testing:
> <https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x/presentations/practice-penetration-testing-your-home-router.html>

AHA! Thanks :-)

> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Jul  7 10:30:16 2015
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:30:16 +0200
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
Message-ID: <0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>

Hi

Although my experience of LiveCode scripting and the production of standalones is pretty extensive, I have never used any manifestation of LiveCode Server, but now I want to back a web site with in effect some LiveCode functionality and to communicate with users of the site (for example respond to a form a user may have filled in by emailing the user with derived data, while somehow retaining the info the user put into the form - I am hoping against hope that this doesn?t mean using a database as I don?t know anything about those either). 

The learning problem seems to me that this is a moving target in that quite big changes have been made to this incarnation of LiveCode over the years. Looking at the LC web site, the variety of dates of the tutorial info about this is quite worrying - there doesn?t seem to me to be a modern (i.e less than a year old) tutorial about how to set up a server that runs LC stacks, plus an explanation of what can and can?t be done after the install has happened. Also I sense that On-Rev (I have access) is the simplest way of doing this as a lot of stuff is pre-installed, but if I have server space elsewhere (I do) what I have to do to get a robust implementation?

You can probably tell from the above that I don?t even know the correct jargon to use when talking about these issues.

Can anyone point me at a tutorial or any other method of getting familiar with this stuff, as I really need it?

TIA

Graham


From paul at smarttsoftware.co.uk  Tue Jul  7 10:38:47 2015
From: paul at smarttsoftware.co.uk (Paul Richards)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:38:47 +0000
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>
References: <0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F3ABC538EAE4E44A98F3F8EAB2E2840324B09DBD@exch-mbx10.email.local>

Hi Graham, 

The  HTML project is probably what you are looking for

http://livecode.com/ready-html5-deployment-for-livecode-announced/ 

Regards
Paul  

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Graham Samuel
Sent: 07 July 2015 15:30
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?

Hi

Although my experience of LiveCode scripting and the production of standalones is pretty extensive, I have never used any manifestation of LiveCode Server, but now I want to back a web site with in effect some LiveCode functionality and to communicate with users of the site (for example respond to a form a user may have filled in by emailing the user with derived data, while somehow retaining the info the user put into the form - I am hoping against hope that this doesn?t mean using a database as I don?t know anything about those either). 

The learning problem seems to me that this is a moving target in that quite big changes have been made to this incarnation of LiveCode over the years. Looking at the LC web site, the variety of dates of the tutorial info about this is quite worrying - there doesn?t seem to me to be a modern (i.e less than a year old) tutorial about how to set up a server that runs LC stacks, plus an explanation of what can and can?t be done after the install has happened. Also I sense that On-Rev (I have access) is the simplest way of doing this as a lot of stuff is pre-installed, but if I have server space elsewhere (I do) what I have to do to get a robust implementation?

You can probably tell from the above that I don?t even know the correct jargon to use when talking about these issues.

Can anyone point me at a tutorial or any other method of getting familiar with this stuff, as I really need it?

TIA

Graham
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Jul  7 11:20:54 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 17:20:54 +0200
Subject: how to get an option button with a full size icon?
Message-ID: <012f01d0b8c8$84f827d0$8ee87770$@kestner.de>

Hello,

I tested to get an option button 80x20 with an full size icon 80x20 and the
text (the selected option) shown.

To get the icon over the full size of the button, I have to set the margins
to 0 and align the text to left or right. But this causes also that the text
margin is 0, so that the text is right at the edge.

IS it a wanted behavior, that the margins affect also the icon, or is this a
"bug"? My only solution up to now is to rebuild my own option button with a
button and a field, controlled by myself. Any other idea?

Tiemo

 

 

 



From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Jul  7 11:23:07 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 17:23:07 +0200
Subject: AW: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>	<011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
	<CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013401d0b8c8$d3eb5650$7bc202f0$@kestner.de>

Thanks Mike fort he hint
Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bonner
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 14:47
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?

you might try specialfolderpath("0x0023") which is the common app data folder. (app data for all users).  I can't test on xp.  On vista/7 the directory is c:\ProgramData On xp it should be c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ApplicationData

You'll probably want to create a subfolder for your app of course.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
wrote:

> Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
>
> How would I differentiate the access to these two different option sets?
> On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an admin 
> I would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending on the 
> log-in the appropriate options. But I never have seen a chance in 
> LiveCode to ask for the user privileges (on Win and Mac) to be able to differentiate it.
> How is this usually be done?
> Tiemo
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im 
> Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 12:17
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all 
> users?
>
> On 2015-07-07 11:08, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
> >
> > Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my 
> > option file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the software 
> > should look automatically for updates. If I think about schools, 
> > where different users can log in the same computer, that?s why I 
> > wanted to keep one option file for all users.
> >
> > But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file 
> > into an "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the admin 
> > and a "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
> >
> > Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a 
> > single options file which works in multi-user environments as on a 
> > private single-user computer?
>
> Yes, that would be exactly the way I would recommend to structure things.
> You could think of it as follows:
>
> 1. Settings that relate to the way the program is installed on the 
> system (e.g. the video files' path, or whether to install updates) -- 
> these are the "per-system" settings and should be controlled by the 
> administrator only.
>
> 2. Settings that relate to the way the program is used (e.g. "enable 
> the colour scheme for colour-blind users") -- these are the "per-user"
> settings and should be controlled (and stored) by each user.
>
> It is sometimes a little bit difficult to think about at first.
> However, dividing the settings in this way means that one user can't 
> mess things up for another user, or interfere with settings that the 
> system administrator has put in for a good reason. :-)
>
> The separation of "user" and "system" settings is the recommended way 
> to structure things on most systems nowadays, especially Windows and Linux.
>
> Don't forget that when you have a single-user computer, you can just 
> treat it as a multi-user computer with one user!
>
>                                 Peter
>
> --
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> LiveCode Engine Development 
> Team
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul  7 11:39:18 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 08:39:18 -0700
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>
References: <0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <559BF2A6.3060603@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

 > Although my experience of LiveCode scripting and the production of
 > standalones is pretty extensive, I have never used any manifestation
 > of LiveCode Server, but now I want to back a web site with in effect
 > some LiveCode functionality and to communicate with users of the site
 > (for example respond to a form a user may have filled in by emailing
 > the user with derived data, while somehow retaining the info the user
 > put into the form - I am hoping against hope that this doesn?t mean
 > using a database as I don?t know anything about those either).
 >
 > The learning problem seems to me that this is a moving target in that
 > quite big changes have been made to this incarnation of LiveCode over
 > the years. Looking at the LC web site, the variety of dates of the
 > tutorial info about this is quite worrying

Ignore the dates - Common Gateway Interface (CGI) is a truly common 
convention that hasn't changed in a long time, so any tutorial will 
likely be as useful today as the day it was written. Whether using Perl, 
Python, PHP, LiveCode, or anything else as a CGI, the basic setup is 
essentially the same.

The only weakness I've seen with the tutorials I've come across is that 
they do a good job with the "what", but don't spend enough time on the 
"why".  The "why" can be important because server configurations vary, 
but if you understand how the pieces fit together you can figure out 
just about anything.

A brief orientation to get you started:

A Web server is just an app that listens on port 80, and when it gets a 
request for a resource it interprets the request and returns the 
requested data.  Most commonly this app will be Apache (though there are 
other good ones as well).

Most requests are for files, so most of a Web server's work is really 
just as a glorified file server.

But serving static files isn't very interesting, so Apache and most 
others support CGI, which allows any app that can be run from the 
command line to be used as an augmentation to the Web server for any 
special processing you like.

The key is to let Apache know that it should use your app for some 
requests, and the method you'll use to let Apache know will differ 
depending on whether you control the server or are just renting a single 
account there.

For dedicated servers and VPSes, you can specify CGI settings in the 
Apache config file.  That can be safely skipped for newcomers, because 
if you know enough to harden and maintain a server you can probably 
figure out how to configure CGI.

For shared hosting accounts (the kind most of the readers here use 
because they're quite adequate for many sites and are very cheap) you 
won't be able to modify the server config directly, since that would 
alter Apache's behavior for all users on the machine.  So instead, 
Apache includes a mechanism for communicating settings info for a single 
Web site, using a file named .htaccess.

The meat of the .htaccess instructions boils down to two things: letting 
Apache know that you're adding a special handler for a given file type, 
and where to find the app that will take action when that file type is 
encountered:

     AddHandler livecode-script .lc
     Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-server

In that example "livecode-script" is just an arbitrary label, used in 
the first line to identify that special handling is needed for files 
ending in .lc, and the second line defines the action to be taken as 
launching the LiveCode Server executable.

Once set up, Apache will get the request, launch LC Server and hand the 
request off to it, where you can process the request however you like 
and hand the data back to Apache before closing, where Apache can then 
send the data back to the client.

That the entire runtime life cycle takes place during each request seems 
like it should be prohibitively time consuming, that's because we're 
used to running LC on our desktops where its boot time is mostly spent 
on GUI stuff.  When run from the command line without a GUI LC launches 
almost instantly, and consumes very little RAM (about 1.5 MBs for simple 
scripts).


Hopefully that brief orientation will help you use this tutorial with 
confidence:
<http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4070/l/36655-how-do-i-install-livecode-server-with-apache-via-htaccess>

Please feel free to write back if any of that setup doesn't work as you 
expected.

Even better, if you're passing through Pasadena I have a standing 
invitation for anyone attending our LiveCode User Group meetings:  bring 
a laptop with FTP access to your site and I'll stay after the meeting to 
install LC Server for you.   I always enjoy your company; it's been a 
long time since Malta.


 > - there doesn?t seem to me to be a modern (i.e less than a year old)
 > tutorial about how to set up a server that runs LC stacks, plus an
 > explanation of what can and can?t be done after the install has
 > happened.

LC Server is very flexible, and in recent versions can even be used to 
generate custom images.  It may be simpler to turn the question around, 
so instead of asking what it can't do, tell us what you'd like to do.


 > Also I sense that On-Rev (I have access) is the simplest way of doing
 > this as a lot of stuff is pre-installed, but if I have server space
 > elsewhere (I do) what I have to do to get a robust implementation?

Hostm.com also provides LC Server preinstalled, but the setup is a 
one-time thing that takes only a couple minutes once you get the hang of 
it so just about any hosting company will do.  I use Dreamhost and 
InterServer, and will soon be adding another to the mix.  LC Server 
works well on both, and others here have successfully installed it on 
HostGator, JaguarPC, TierraNet, Bluehost, DigitalOcean, and more.

The only thing I would suggest when looking for a host is that they 
provide SSH support.  TierraNet doesn't, and I no longer use them for 
that reason, but I believe the others I noted here do, as do most these 
days.

For many tasks (uploading files, setting permissions, etc.) FTP will get 
the job done easily enough.  But sometimes it's invaluable to be able to 
log into the machine directly to do things FTP doesn't handle, like kill 
a runaway process because you forgot to close a repeat, or measure 
performance, or monitor memory usage, etc.  With secure shell access 
it's almost like having the machine on your desk, but without it trying 
to manage a server can be very frustrating and mystifying.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Jul  7 12:24:21 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:24:21 +0000
Subject: Database Input Validation
In-Reply-To: <CANi4YQbr=DyO5L2=j3j5Sa7Vw_sN_DJgFzfp+U7YNQ7sPfEhSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANi4YQYLdEKvWjXFjSdDV_c-hvFR2CCpwAPdEArhTRMZr68GVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMqvP7CJdWCXxNjNT5g6UEfRAbodE_p1b61idXtq1kDuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANi4YQbr=DyO5L2=j3j5Sa7Vw_sN_DJgFzfp+U7YNQ7sPfEhSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOcz43M3+T--XBnanzduqaJea=Q6SbUWU9_JzYkT0ijeA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Pascal,
Sounds like I may have misunderstood your original question.

I'm a firm believer in putting data validation functionality into your
database schema.  There are several SQL DDL features that allow you to do
that and several advantages to having the database handle it for you
instead of writing your own code.  A couple of weeks ago, I did a webinar
as part of the Create It With Livecode program that included information
about this.  You can get the presentation slides at my web site
www.lcsql.com on the Free Stuff page.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:20 AM Pascal Lehner <tate83 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter and Bob,
>
> Thanks for your ideas.
> I think I found a good way by doing a input check for the user fields on
> closeField to avoid totally wrong information and then I will store this
> unicode encoded in the database.
> This should avoid quite a few problems from the start.
>
> Regards,
> Pascal
>
> 2015-07-06 22:49 GMT+02:00 Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>:
>
> > Hi Pascal,
> > I assume you're referring to SQL injection attacks.
> >
> > You can avoid them by using the varslist/arrayname parameter of
> > revDataFromQuery/revQueryDatabase/revExecute SQL.  See the dictionary for
> > more details but it involves using placeholders in your SQL statements
> and
> > loading the values for those placeholders into separate variables or a
> > numerically keyed array.
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:20 AM Pascal Lehner <tate83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am working on a desktop app that is running a SQLite database and
> might
> > > well end up as a HTML5 server version with MySQL in the not-so-far
> > future.
> > > For this I want to have some sort of input validation to avoid security
> > and
> > > XSS incidents.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a library or function to "sanitize" any sql statement
> > > before running it against the database? Or how do you do this?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Pascal
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From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Jul  7 12:41:33 2015
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:41:33 +0200
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <F3ABC538EAE4E44A98F3F8EAB2E2840324B09DBD@exch-mbx10.email.local>
References: <0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>
	<F3ABC538EAE4E44A98F3F8EAB2E2840324B09DBD@exch-mbx10.email.local>
Message-ID: <6CC07B53-8B60-4426-8879-A6413501A0A0@mac.com>

Well, no, since I have been planning to implement this since April, and already regard the delay (entirely caused by me so far) as pretty bad news. I will love HTML5 deployment when it comes out, but it would not be sensible to hold my breath on that one; and even then I may need intensive tutorials about how to code a web site using tools that don?t take me too far out of my comfort zone. I have had some experience of such tools and have retreated to using very very simple web site construction software where the height of sophistication is a PayPal ?Buy Now? button.

Cheers

Graham


> On 7 Jul 2015, at 16:38, Paul Richards <paul at smarttsoftware.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Graham, 
> 
> The  HTML project is probably what you are looking for
> 
> http://livecode.com/ready-html5-deployment-for-livecode-announced/ 
> 
> Regards
> Paul  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Graham Samuel
> Sent: 07 July 2015 15:30
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
> 
> Hi
> 
> Although my experience of LiveCode scripting and the production of standalones is pretty extensive, I have never used any manifestation of LiveCode Server, but now I want to back a web site with in effect some LiveCode functionality and to communicate with users of the site (for example respond to a form a user may have filled in by emailing the user with derived data, while somehow retaining the info the user put into the form - I am hoping against hope that this doesn?t mean using a database as I don?t know anything about those either). 
> 
> The learning problem seems to me that this is a moving target in that quite big changes have been made to this incarnation of LiveCode over the years. Looking at the LC web site, the variety of dates of the tutorial info about this is quite worrying - there doesn?t seem to me to be a modern (i.e less than a year old) tutorial about how to set up a server that runs LC stacks, plus an explanation of what can and can?t be done after the install has happened. Also I sense that On-Rev (I have access) is the simplest way of doing this as a lot of stuff is pre-installed, but if I have server space elsewhere (I do) what I have to do to get a robust implementation?
> 
> You can probably tell from the above that I don?t even know the correct jargon to use when talking about these issues.
> 
> Can anyone point me at a tutorial or any other method of getting familiar with this stuff, as I really need it?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 12:43:50 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 19:43:50 +0300
Subject: Using GIMP to make buttons
In-Reply-To: <559AF512.3040106@gmail.com>
References: <559AF512.3040106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <559C01C6.2010204@gmail.com>

On 07/07/15 00:37, Richmond wrote:
> My tutorial is now available:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tyt4o1md51bfair/AABThCCgJkqLQvz1e-NRQGg7a?dl=0 
> File: GB.zip
>
> If you like it please go here: https://www.facebook.com/RMLCclasses
>
> and click "Like".
>
> Richmond.

The second half of my tutorial is also now available: same place, File: 
LB.zip

Richmond.



From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Jul  7 12:45:36 2015
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:45:36 +0200
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <559BF2A6.3060603@fourthworld.com>
References: <0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>
	<559BF2A6.3060603@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <38F458C6-ED95-467D-A13F-6B8625872C79@mac.com>

Richard, you are always so generous with your advice and your time! Thanks, that helps a lot. I still  need to understand a lot more, but it?s a flying start.

Pasadena, eh? I was not so far from there last September, but another trip to the States will have to wait a year or two - if I haven?t dropped off my perch by then. Yes, it was a great pleasure to meet you in Malta - I did go to the last Edinburgh conf but of course it was just a step for me.

Thanks again - and I can?t help feeling I?ll be back with more questions!

Graham

> On 7 Jul 2015, at 17:39, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Graham Samuel wrote:
> 
> > Although my experience of LiveCode scripting and the production of
> > standalones is pretty extensive, I have never used any manifestation
> > of LiveCode Server, but now I want to back a web site with in effect
> > some LiveCode functionality and to communicate with users of the site
> > (for example respond to a form a user may have filled in by emailing
> > the user with derived data, while somehow retaining the info the user
> > put into the form - I am hoping against hope that this doesn?t mean
> > using a database as I don?t know anything about those either).
> >
> > The learning problem seems to me that this is a moving target in that
> > quite big changes have been made to this incarnation of LiveCode over
> > the years. Looking at the LC web site, the variety of dates of the
> > tutorial info about this is quite worrying
> 
> Ignore the dates - Common Gateway Interface (CGI) is a truly common convention that hasn't changed in a long time, so any tutorial will likely be as useful today as the day it was written. Whether using Perl, Python, PHP, LiveCode, or anything else as a CGI, the basic setup is essentially the same.
> 
> The only weakness I've seen with the tutorials I've come across is that they do a good job with the "what", but don't spend enough time on the "why".  The "why" can be important because server configurations vary, but if you understand how the pieces fit together you can figure out just about anything.
> 
> A brief orientation to get you started:
> 
> A Web server is just an app that listens on port 80, and when it gets a request for a resource it interprets the request and returns the requested data.  Most commonly this app will be Apache (though there are other good ones as well).
> 
> Most requests are for files, so most of a Web server's work is really just as a glorified file server.
> 
> But serving static files isn't very interesting, so Apache and most others support CGI, which allows any app that can be run from the command line to be used as an augmentation to the Web server for any special processing you like.
> 
> The key is to let Apache know that it should use your app for some requests, and the method you'll use to let Apache know will differ depending on whether you control the server or are just renting a single account there.
> 
> For dedicated servers and VPSes, you can specify CGI settings in the Apache config file.  That can be safely skipped for newcomers, because if you know enough to harden and maintain a server you can probably figure out how to configure CGI.
> 
> For shared hosting accounts (the kind most of the readers here use because they're quite adequate for many sites and are very cheap) you won't be able to modify the server config directly, since that would alter Apache's behavior for all users on the machine.  So instead, Apache includes a mechanism for communicating settings info for a single Web site, using a file named .htaccess.
> 
> The meat of the .htaccess instructions boils down to two things: letting Apache know that you're adding a special handler for a given file type, and where to find the app that will take action when that file type is encountered:
> 
>    AddHandler livecode-script .lc
>    Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-server
> 
> In that example "livecode-script" is just an arbitrary label, used in the first line to identify that special handling is needed for files ending in .lc, and the second line defines the action to be taken as launching the LiveCode Server executable.
> 
> Once set up, Apache will get the request, launch LC Server and hand the request off to it, where you can process the request however you like and hand the data back to Apache before closing, where Apache can then send the data back to the client.
> 
> That the entire runtime life cycle takes place during each request seems like it should be prohibitively time consuming, that's because we're used to running LC on our desktops where its boot time is mostly spent on GUI stuff.  When run from the command line without a GUI LC launches almost instantly, and consumes very little RAM (about 1.5 MBs for simple scripts).
> 
> 
> Hopefully that brief orientation will help you use this tutorial with confidence:
> <http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4070/l/36655-how-do-i-install-livecode-server-with-apache-via-htaccess>
> 
> Please feel free to write back if any of that setup doesn't work as you expected.
> 
> Even better, if you're passing through Pasadena I have a standing invitation for anyone attending our LiveCode User Group meetings:  bring a laptop with FTP access to your site and I'll stay after the meeting to install LC Server for you.   I always enjoy your company; it's been a long time since Malta.
> 
> 
> > - there doesn?t seem to me to be a modern (i.e less than a year old)
> > tutorial about how to set up a server that runs LC stacks, plus an
> > explanation of what can and can?t be done after the install has
> > happened.
> 
> LC Server is very flexible, and in recent versions can even be used to generate custom images.  It may be simpler to turn the question around, so instead of asking what it can't do, tell us what you'd like to do.
> 
> 
> > Also I sense that On-Rev (I have access) is the simplest way of doing
> > this as a lot of stuff is pre-installed, but if I have server space
> > elsewhere (I do) what I have to do to get a robust implementation?
> 
> Hostm.com also provides LC Server preinstalled, but the setup is a one-time thing that takes only a couple minutes once you get the hang of it so just about any hosting company will do.  I use Dreamhost and InterServer, and will soon be adding another to the mix.  LC Server works well on both, and others here have successfully installed it on HostGator, JaguarPC, TierraNet, Bluehost, DigitalOcean, and more.
> 
> The only thing I would suggest when looking for a host is that they provide SSH support.  TierraNet doesn't, and I no longer use them for that reason, but I believe the others I noted here do, as do most these days.
> 
> For many tasks (uploading files, setting permissions, etc.) FTP will get the job done easily enough.  But sometimes it's invaluable to be able to log into the machine directly to do things FTP doesn't handle, like kill a runaway process because you forgot to close a repeat, or measure performance, or monitor memory usage, etc.  With secure shell access it's almost like having the machine on your desk, but without it trying to manage a server can be very frustrating and mystifying.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul  7 13:32:39 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 12:32:39 -0500
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <38F458C6-ED95-467D-A13F-6B8625872C79@mac.com>
References: <0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>	<559BF2A6.3060603@fourthworld.com>
	<38F458C6-ED95-467D-A13F-6B8625872C79@mac.com>
Message-ID: <559C0D37.4030609@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/7/2015 11:45 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> Richard, you are always so generous with your advice and your time!
> Thanks, that helps a lot. I still  need to understand a lot more, but
> it?s a flying start.

Actually, knowing your situation, LC server can't be used because there 
is no commercial version. You'll need to implement the old-style CGI 
system. I'll write to you privately, but wanted to short-stop any 
efforts before you spent too much time on it. LC server is a wonderful 
utility but in this case the lack of commercial support is a blocker for 
you.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From peter.brett at livecode.com  Tue Jul  7 15:44:35 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 21:44:35 +0200
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to =?UTF-8?Q?start=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <559C0D37.4030609@hyperactivesw.com>
References: " <0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>"
	<559BF2A6.3060603@fourthworld.com>
	<38F458C6-ED95-467D-A13F-6B8625872C79@mac.com>
	<559C0D37.4030609@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <038189427c9cb09ea2109e9bb4cc34ea@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-07 19:32, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 7/7/2015 11:45 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> Richard, you are always so generous with your advice and your time!
>> Thanks, that helps a lot. I still  need to understand a lot more, but
>> it?s a flying start.
> 
> Actually, knowing your situation, LC server can't be used because
> there is no commercial version. You'll need to implement the old-style
> CGI system. I'll write to you privately, but wanted to short-stop any
> efforts before you spent too much time on it. LC server is a wonderful
> utility but in this case the lack of commercial support is a blocker
> for you.

There is, in fact, a commercial version of LiveCode server available.  
Please contact LiveCode support with the details of your subscriber 
account; they'll be able to hook you up.

                               Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Tue Jul  7 17:01:01 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 17:01:01 -0400
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <038189427c9cb09ea2109e9bb4cc34ea@livecode.com>
References: "
	<0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>"	<559BF2A6.3060603@fourthworld.com>	<38F458C6-ED95-467D-A13F-6B8625872C79@mac.com>	<559C0D37.4030609@hyperactivesw.com>
	<038189427c9cb09ea2109e9bb4cc34ea@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <004a01d0b8f8$08074a00$1815de00$@net>

I you go to the classic account page the commercial server download link is there along with the username and password. I just downloaded it a month ago so I could use password protected library stacks.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter TB Brett
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 3:45 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: LiveCode Server - where to start?

On 2015-07-07 19:32, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 7/7/2015 11:45 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> Richard, you are always so generous with your advice and your time!
>> Thanks, that helps a lot. I still  need to understand a lot more, but 
>> it?s a flying start.
> 
> Actually, knowing your situation, LC server can't be used because 
> there is no commercial version. You'll need to implement the old-style 
> CGI system. I'll write to you privately, but wanted to short-stop any 
> efforts before you spent too much time on it. LC server is a wonderful 
> utility but in this case the lack of commercial support is a blocker 
> for you.

There is, in fact, a commercial version of LiveCode server available.  
Please contact LiveCode support with the details of your subscriber account; they'll be able to hook you up.

                               Peter

--
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> LiveCode Engine Development Team


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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul  7 17:25:06 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 21:25:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: livecode forums down ?
References: <98F265FA-CC17-4F57-A20D-D484D80D59AD@major-k.de>
	<559BD60D.6090703@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150707T231718-726@post.gmane.org>

Richard Gaskin <ambassador at ...> writes:

> As I've noted here before, it seems the domain is under DDoS attack. 
> The team is aware of it and fighting it as best they can, but the 
> problem with a smartly executed DDoS is that it'll use a rented botnet, 
> making the traffic practically indistinguishable from legitimate visitors.

Well, normally DDoS attacks would be mitigated at the colo level by someone
like Cloudflare, who would redirect traffic off to a scrubber. And that should
be the end of things. But it seems pretty obvious that runrev has gone with
the lowest-cost option instead and is having to deal on their own with
things like attacks, backups, etc.

OTOH, maybe we've hit the bigtime if someone thinks we're worthy
of that level of attack. Go team!

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From david at viral.academy  Tue Jul  7 17:41:16 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 23:41:16 +0200
Subject: Using Shell
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH8v2NBaah_JCrhEcEidYtnw145E2Yi6TYKk-UUSCAprA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioM7jta34G-Eqy9rfPq98T-mU7CGZkXUEAOYvpc6GSNrmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSH8v2NBaah_JCrhEcEidYtnw145E2Yi6TYKk-UUSCAprA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioNtY0onJ9um+QrZ8ywdvUPQkO2B3MAp=o5v87dEW=Y2_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Both commands give the same.

On 7 July 2015 at 15:23, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 3:39 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>
> > Any ideas what to do?
> >
>
> could it be finding a different program with the same name?  try "which
> ipfs" from the shell and live code.  Also, what happens if you shell the
> command it suggests?
>
>
>
> --
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> (702) 508-8462
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Jul  7 18:27:28 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:27:28 -0700
Subject: Windows 8 Image pixellation
Message-ID: <3F029EAC-8A7F-4C36-A43D-97C54AAA01E6@earthednet.org>

Folks:
I have a desktop application that I?ve tested on MacOSX and Windows 7. I don?t have a copy of Windows 8 and before I do, I wonder if you could look at the two images and give me some hints about what might be going on in Windows 9. First, I see huge pixellation in the Windows 8 image. Second, the fonts are way off in the plot at the bottom, not to mention the huge pixellation problem. The map image is a much larger jpg that is reduced to the shown size and then screen captured. The shown map image is the captured image on top of the basic image. I do the screen capture so I can draw symbols into a reduced size image, which is much faster. Both the map image and the lower plot image are screen captures. So, the problem could be either in the original image display and reduction, or in the screen capture action..

The Macintosh (good) image is at:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0zvntz7jjsylgxj/Explorer on MacOSX.pdf?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/0zvntz7jjsylgxj/Explorer%20on%20MacOSX.pdf?dl=0>
The Windows 8 version is at:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer in Windows 8.1.pdf?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer%20in%20Windows%208.1.pdf?dl=0>

I expect that I?ve left out some critical factor that applies to Windows 8 computers. This occurs on 2 students using Windows 8. One of the students is in Japan, the other is not. I don?t have any information on the students? computers yet, and I haven?t got Windows 8 to start debuging, yet. So, just asking for ideas at this stage.

Thanks a bunch,
Bill


William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://es.earthednet.org/
my new project link <http://earthednet.org/ptExplorer/Cover.html>




From skip at magicgate.com  Tue Jul  7 18:31:18 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 18:31:18 -0400
Subject: Font issue with Win8 and LC
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4M7GMJSkDyBFhXee2OM0w7N=py0AL4QjbYhm0_QE6mRDQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a strange issue where when I go to print a card, some of the text
fields get truncated. This only seems to happen when the fields are right
justified.  I have tried a few things to "fudge" alignment but in the end,
that is really not how I need to do it.

Anybody experienced this before?  I am using Windows 8 and LC 7.0.6

SKIP


From skip at magicgate.com  Tue Jul  7 18:34:15 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 18:34:15 -0400
Subject: Windows 8 Image pixellation
In-Reply-To: <3F029EAC-8A7F-4C36-A43D-97C54AAA01E6@earthednet.org>
References: <3F029EAC-8A7F-4C36-A43D-97C54AAA01E6@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4NzJ9OPZd8OA6iVxjZJZnZ2RWh0zRAjT6dKrswgX53qDA@mail.gmail.com>

I JUST posted another Win 8 font issue... maybe it is related.  What
version of LC are you using?

SKIP

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:27 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org>
wrote:

> Folks:
> I have a desktop application that I?ve tested on MacOSX and Windows 7. I
> don?t have a copy of Windows 8 and before I do, I wonder if you could look
> at the two images and give me some hints about what might be going on in
> Windows 9. First, I see huge pixellation in the Windows 8 image. Second,
> the fonts are way off in the plot at the bottom, not to mention the huge
> pixellation problem. The map image is a much larger jpg that is reduced to
> the shown size and then screen captured. The shown map image is the
> captured image on top of the basic image. I do the screen capture so I can
> draw symbols into a reduced size image, which is much faster. Both the map
> image and the lower plot image are screen captures. So, the problem could
> be either in the original image display and reduction, or in the screen
> capture action..
>
> The Macintosh (good) image is at:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0zvntz7jjsylgxj/Explorer on MacOSX.pdf?dl=0 <
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0zvntz7jjsylgxj/Explorer%20on%20MacOSX.pdf?dl=0>
> The Windows 8 version is at:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer in Windows
> 8.1.pdf?dl=0 <
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer%20in%20Windows%208.1.pdf?dl=0
> >
>
> I expect that I?ve left out some critical factor that applies to Windows 8
> computers. This occurs on 2 students using Windows 8. One of the students
> is in Japan, the other is not. I don?t have any information on the
> students? computers yet, and I haven?t got Windows 8 to start debuging,
> yet. So, just asking for ideas at this stage.
>
> Thanks a bunch,
> Bill
>
>
> William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
> University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> http://es.earthednet.org/
> my new project link <http://earthednet.org/ptExplorer/Cover.html>
>
>
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Jul  7 19:09:22 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 16:09:22 -0700
Subject: Windows 8 Image pixellation
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4NzJ9OPZd8OA6iVxjZJZnZ2RWh0zRAjT6dKrswgX53qDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3F029EAC-8A7F-4C36-A43D-97C54AAA01E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAO8Ty4NzJ9OPZd8OA6iVxjZJZnZ2RWh0zRAjT6dKrswgX53qDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD4479A0-68D2-47CF-9B5A-5891A17FF293@earthednet.org>

Skip:
Hmm.. I compiled the project on March 28, whatever version of LC was current at that time. Probably 7.0.3.  Sorry, the problem just came up and I probably can see what version compiled it, but I don?t know how. 
Bill

> On Jul 7, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <skip at magicgate.com> wrote:
> 
> I JUST posted another Win 8 font issue... maybe it is related.  What
> version of LC are you using?
> 
> SKIP
> 
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:27 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Folks:
>> I have a desktop application that I?ve tested on MacOSX and Windows 7. I
>> don?t have a copy of Windows 8 and before I do, I wonder if you could look
>> at the two images and give me some hints about what might be going on in
>> Windows 9. First, I see huge pixellation in the Windows 8 image. Second,
>> the fonts are way off in the plot at the bottom, not to mention the huge
>> pixellation problem. The map image is a much larger jpg that is reduced to
>> the shown size and then screen captured. The shown map image is the
>> captured image on top of the basic image. I do the screen capture so I can
>> draw symbols into a reduced size image, which is much faster. Both the map
>> image and the lower plot image are screen captures. So, the problem could
>> be either in the original image display and reduction, or in the screen
>> capture action..
>> 
>> The Macintosh (good) image is at:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0zvntz7jjsylgxj/Explorer on MacOSX.pdf?dl=0 <
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0zvntz7jjsylgxj/Explorer%20on%20MacOSX.pdf?dl=0>
>> The Windows 8 version is at:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer in Windows
>> 8.1.pdf?dl=0 <
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer%20in%20Windows%208.1.pdf?dl=0
>>> 
>> 
>> I expect that I?ve left out some critical factor that applies to Windows 8
>> computers. This occurs on 2 students using Windows 8. One of the students
>> is in Japan, the other is not. I don?t have any information on the
>> students? computers yet, and I haven?t got Windows 8 to start debuging,
>> yet. So, just asking for ideas at this stage.
>> 
>> Thanks a bunch,
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
>> University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>> my new project link <http://earthednet.org/ptExplorer/Cover.html>
>> 
>> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul  7 20:27:59 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:27:59 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.6 / 7.0.6
In-Reply-To: <ea704415524dbfd6340b59023bf84897@livecode.com>
References: <55981E81.4050800@ahsoftware.net>	<559966F8.9020205@fourthworld.com>
	<55996C88.8020706@ahsoftware.net>
	<ea704415524dbfd6340b59023bf84897@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <559C6E8F.20707@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/07/2015 01:51 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote:

> I've briefly spoken to Fraser about your e-mail this morning, and I'm
> afraid that we've determined that it's not feasible to backport the
> Linux desktop integration refactor project (including the port to GDK).
> It depends heavily on many of the other enhancements that have been
> added to LiveCode 7, so a "backport" would in fact mean "do the entire
> project again in a different and incompatible way".  I'm afraid we're
> unlikely to have the resources for this in the foreseeable future.

No worries. As I mentioned, I no longer even try.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul  7 20:30:05 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:30:05 -0700
Subject: [OT] OpenSSL GUI
In-Reply-To: <DF3BC138-56E1-416C-9ECB-AD64171687E0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <DF3BC138-56E1-416C-9ECB-AD64171687E0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <559C6F0D.6000004@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/06/2015 04:56 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> What I really need (and what ought to be part of the openssl download) is a Graphical User Interface that takes care of all the details for me. Anyone know where I can dl one?

https://letsencrypt.org/

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From tate83 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 03:52:42 2015
From: tate83 at gmail.com (Pascal Lehner)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 09:52:42 +0200
Subject: Database Input Validation
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOcz43M3+T--XBnanzduqaJea=Q6SbUWU9_JzYkT0ijeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANi4YQYLdEKvWjXFjSdDV_c-hvFR2CCpwAPdEArhTRMZr68GVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMqvP7CJdWCXxNjNT5g6UEfRAbodE_p1b61idXtq1kDuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANi4YQbr=DyO5L2=j3j5Sa7Vw_sN_DJgFzfp+U7YNQ7sPfEhSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eOcz43M3+T--XBnanzduqaJea=Q6SbUWU9_JzYkT0ijeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANi4YQZm5YvKtULRweWNuj+QBpisAf_HJFJPnKFQVexRsDRPkg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter

Thanks for the link, your webinar stuff does provide some valuable
information :-)
I saw your work on SQLMagic.. is there any ETA?

Best,
Pascal


2015-07-07 18:24 GMT+02:00 Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>:

> Hi Pascal,
> Sounds like I may have misunderstood your original question.
>
> I'm a firm believer in putting data validation functionality into your
> database schema.  There are several SQL DDL features that allow you to do
> that and several advantages to having the database handle it for you
> instead of writing your own code.  A couple of weeks ago, I did a webinar
> as part of the Create It With Livecode program that included information
> about this.  You can get the presentation slides at my web site
> www.lcsql.com on the Free Stuff page.
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:20 AM Pascal Lehner <tate83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter and Bob,
> >
> > Thanks for your ideas.
> > I think I found a good way by doing a input check for the user fields on
> > closeField to avoid totally wrong information and then I will store this
> > unicode encoded in the database.
> > This should avoid quite a few problems from the start.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Pascal
> >
> > 2015-07-06 22:49 GMT+02:00 Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>:
> >
> > > Hi Pascal,
> > > I assume you're referring to SQL injection attacks.
> > >
> > > You can avoid them by using the varslist/arrayname parameter of
> > > revDataFromQuery/revQueryDatabase/revExecute SQL.  See the dictionary
> for
> > > more details but it involves using placeholders in your SQL statements
> > and
> > > loading the values for those placeholders into separate variables or a
> > > numerically keyed array.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:20 AM Pascal Lehner <tate83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I am working on a desktop app that is running a SQLite database and
> > might
> > > > well end up as a HTML5 server version with MySQL in the not-so-far
> > > future.
> > > > For this I want to have some sort of input validation to avoid
> security
> > > and
> > > > XSS incidents.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have a library or function to "sanitize" any sql
> statement
> > > > before running it against the database? Or how do you do this?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Pascal
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Jul  8 03:59:27 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 09:59:27 +0200
Subject: AW: how to get an option button with a full size icon?
In-Reply-To: <012f01d0b8c8$84f827d0$8ee87770$@kestner.de>
References: <012f01d0b8c8$84f827d0$8ee87770$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <004c01d0b954$034a0b40$09de21c0$@kestner.de>

For anybody who will get into this in future, I found the solution.
Setting the margin (which is a text property) to 0, aligns the icon to the
button border. Setting the borderWidth (which is an icon property) to x gets
the text again off the border. A bit paradox, but the result counts.
Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von Tiemo Hollmann TB
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 17:21
An: LiveCode User Liste senden
Betreff: how to get an option button with a full size icon?

Hello,

I tested to get an option button 80x20 with an full size icon 80x20 and the
text (the selected option) shown.

To get the icon over the full size of the button, I have to set the margins
to 0 and align the text to left or right. But this causes also that the text
margin is 0, so that the text is right at the edge.

IS it a wanted behavior, that the margins affect also the icon, or is this a
"bug"? My only solution up to now is to rebuild my own option button with a
button and a field, controlled by myself. Any other idea?

Tiemo

 

 

 

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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 05:43:52 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 17:43:52 +0800
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
Message-ID: <A7EB20A1-320E-4DCD-A003-C51EB5AC43F5@gmail.com>

At the moment I?m checking the lockText property to distinguish a Label Field. Is there a better or more reliable way?

Regards

Peter


From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Wed Jul  8 06:09:45 2015
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 11:09:45 +0100
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
Message-ID: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Hi Peter

As you will have gathered, there is no "label" property as such, simply a
field with pre-defined attributes including lockText. It depends what you
are trying to do and why you need to identify them, but if you need to
regularly test the easiest way may be to manually specify a customProperty
for each label field so that...

If the cLabelStyle of the target = true then [etc]

Best regards

Hugh Senior
FLCo



> -----Original Message-----
> At the moment I?m checking the lockText property to distinguish a Label
> Field. Is there a better or more reliable way?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter




From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 06:27:08 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 18:27:08 +0800
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
In-Reply-To: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>

Thanks, Hugh

I?m trying to find the best way to clear all the fields in which data can be entered on a card. At the moment I use this code:

repeat with y = 1 to the number of fields of this card
    if not the lockText of Field y then
      put empty into Field y
    end if
  end repeat

It works for my simple program but using a customProperty would be safer.

Regards

Peter


> On 8 Jul 2015, at 18:09, FlexibleLearning.com <admin at FlexibleLearning.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter
> 
> As you will have gathered, there is no "label" property as such, simply a
> field with pre-defined attributes including lockText. It depends what you
> are trying to do and why you need to identify them, but if you need to
> regularly test the easiest way may be to manually specify a customProperty
> for each label field so that...
> 
> If the cLabelStyle of the target = true then [etc]
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> At the moment I?m checking the lockText property to distinguish a Label
>> Field. Is there a better or more reliable way?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
> 
> 
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From skip at magicgate.com  Wed Jul  8 07:44:20 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 07:44:20 -0400
Subject: Struggling with native iOS text input
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4M6DhHqpgOJ_+wfi5aYqhn+XogOu0N7koTNCKQF2YvV7A@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning LC'ers,

I am struggling with native iOS text input fields.  Can anybody lead me to
some working examples so I can get my app cranking?

I took a look at a resource online but it does not seem to work.
http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4069/l/29112-how-do-i-use-native-text-controls-on-mobile

As a matter of fact, it seems to have some of the same issues that I have
when trying to implement the native text field through tmControl2.  Maybe
something to do with a newer release of LC and some different coding I need
to do?

Using LC 7.0.6

Any guidance is ALWAYS appreciated!

SKIP


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 09:11:37 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 07:11:37 -0600
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
In-Reply-To: <618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqa6XKNTOO=YDyRi447=FWjsgqzXEOZZisSP7ugCLmung@mail.gmail.com>

I name my fields with a trailing L or F which lets you do the same thing as
using a custom prop.

   repeat with i = 1 to the number of fields of this card
      if (the last char of the short name of field i is "F") then put
random(1525434) into field i
   end repeat

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:27 AM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, Hugh
>
> I?m trying to find the best way to clear all the fields in which data can
> be entered on a card. At the moment I use this code:
>
> repeat with y = 1 to the number of fields of this card
>     if not the lockText of Field y then
>       put empty into Field y
>     end if
>   end repeat
>
> It works for my simple program but using a customProperty would be safer.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
> > On 8 Jul 2015, at 18:09, FlexibleLearning.com <admin at FlexibleLearning.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter
> >
> > As you will have gathered, there is no "label" property as such, simply a
> > field with pre-defined attributes including lockText. It depends what you
> > are trying to do and why you need to identify them, but if you need to
> > regularly test the easiest way may be to manually specify a
> customProperty
> > for each label field so that...
> >
> > If the cLabelStyle of the target = true then [etc]
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Hugh Senior
> > FLCo
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> At the moment I?m checking the lockText property to distinguish a Label
> >> Field. Is there a better or more reliable way?
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Peter
> >
> >
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 09:26:56 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 21:26:56 +0800
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqa6XKNTOO=YDyRi447=FWjsgqzXEOZZisSP7ugCLmung@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqa6XKNTOO=YDyRi447=FWjsgqzXEOZZisSP7ugCLmung@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8E647E7-B6B5-498B-B3D9-6515DAAF669E@gmail.com>

That?s a good tip. Thanks Mike

> On 8 Jul 2015, at 21:11, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I name my fields with a trailing L or F which lets you do the same thing as
> using a custom prop.
> 
>   repeat with i = 1 to the number of fields of this card
>      if (the last char of the short name of field i is "F") then put
> random(1525434) into field i
>   end repeat

Regards

Peter




From peter.brett at livecode.com  Wed Jul  8 10:07:56 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:07:56 +0200
Subject: atom editor and livecode server files syntax package available
In-Reply-To: <5596AD69.2040609@warrensweb.us>
References: <5596AD69.2040609@warrensweb.us>
Message-ID: <2d4879a5f81f5d60f62dea794e347457@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-03 17:42, Warren Samples wrote:
> For those of you who don't participate in the forums for whatever
> reason, but are interested in livecode server, forum user
> ghettocottage has converted the TextMate revigniter-livecode syntax
> module for the cross-platform Atom Text Editor and made it available
> to all. You can install it directly from Atom under
> Preferences>>Install (search packages "revigniter-livecode").
> 
> More information regarding Atom can be found here:
> 
> https://atom.io/

Hi Warren,

Thanks for the heads-up about this!  I've contacted ghettocottage to see 
if it's feasible to combine both packages into one, so that you can 
install language-livecode and get support for both server scripts and 
LCB.

                            Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  8 10:24:41 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 07:24:41 -0700
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqa6XKNTOO=YDyRi447=FWjsgqzXEOZZisSP7ugCLmung@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqa6XKNTOO=YDyRi447=FWjsgqzXEOZZisSP7ugCLmung@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <559D32A9.2040107@fourthworld.com>

Mike Bonner wrote:

 > I name my fields with a trailing L or F which lets you do the same
 > thing as using a custom prop.

Same here.  The first three letters are "lbl", and if I don't need to 
handle them in a resizeStack message that's usually their whole name. 
But if I do need to identify them individually, then it's "lbl" & the 
short name of whatever field they relate to.

This simple mnemonic convention keeps fields used as labels distinct 
from editable fields, even if an editable field may be momentarily 
disabled, and also allows for uniquely identifying them if needed for 
layout handling.
-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul  8 10:58:48 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:58:48 -0500
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
In-Reply-To: <618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33DC2125-EE8D-49F8-8CAD-5BCA92C018D2@hyperactivesw.com>

I do something similar by naming the field with either a suffix "-lbl" or just "lbl" alone. Then the field scan can just check whether the name contains "lbl". 


On July 8, 2015 5:27:08 AM CDT, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
>Thanks, Hugh
>
>I?m trying to find the best way to clear all the fields in which data
>can be entered on a card. At the moment I use this code:
>
>repeat with y = 1 to the number of fields of this card
>    if not the lockText of Field y then
>      put empty into Field y
>    end if
>  end repeat
>
>It works for my simple program but using a customProperty would be
>safer.
>
>Regards
>
>Peter
>
>
>> On 8 Jul 2015, at 18:09, FlexibleLearning.com
><admin at FlexibleLearning.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter
>> 
>> As you will have gathered, there is no "label" property as such,
>simply a
>> field with pre-defined attributes including lockText. It depends what
>you
>> are trying to do and why you need to identify them, but if you need
>to
>> regularly test the easiest way may be to manually specify a
>customProperty
>> for each label field so that...
>> 
>> If the cLabelStyle of the target = true then [etc]
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Hugh Senior
>> FLCo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> At the moment I?m checking the lockText property to distinguish a
>Label
>>> Field. Is there a better or more reliable way?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Peter
>> 
>> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul  8 11:16:51 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 08:16:51 -0700
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
In-Reply-To: <559D32A9.2040107@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqa6XKNTOO=YDyRi447=FWjsgqzXEOZZisSP7ugCLmung@mail.gmail.com>
	<559D32A9.2040107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <559D3EE3.9030205@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/08/2015 07:24 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Same here.  The first three letters are "lbl", and if I don't need to
> handle them in a resizeStack message that's usually their whole name.
> But if I do need to identify them individually, then it's "lbl" & the
> short name of whatever field they relate to.

That's exactly what I do as well.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul  8 11:34:10 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 17:34:10 +0200
Subject: Multitouch displays and Livecode?
Message-ID: <A66AE17D-4C6A-44BF-8CD0-31576231F9A6@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

today i was asked by a Director developer if LiveCode supports Multitouch screens/displays on Windows 8.

He needs to track 1-finger and 2-finger touches. 1-finger touches i would assume are normal mouse clicks, but
what about 2-finger touches. Is this possible with LC? 

Regards,

Matthias




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  8 11:45:20 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 08:45:20 -0700
Subject: Multitouch displays and Livecode?
In-Reply-To: <A66AE17D-4C6A-44BF-8CD0-31576231F9A6@m-r-d.de>
References: <A66AE17D-4C6A-44BF-8CD0-31576231F9A6@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <559D4590.8000701@fourthworld.com>

Matthias Rebbe wrote:

 > today i was asked by a Director developer if LiveCode supports
 > Multitouch screens/displays on Windows 8.
 >
 > He needs to track 1-finger and 2-finger touches. 1-finger touches
 > i would assume are normal mouse clicks, but what about 2-finger
 > touches. Is this possible with LC?

Ubuntu also has a touch layer I'd love to be able to take advantage of, 
but at this time the desktop LiveCode engine doesn't support multitouch 
input.

I submitted a request for this some time ago:
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8446

Given the ever-larger variety of systems that use multitouch I hope this 
will be able to be reevaluated in the priority queue.  They have the 
syntax and core support, and now we need to map those to the relevant 
desktop APIs as has already been done for tablets and phones.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul  8 12:03:45 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 18:03:45 +0200
Subject: Multitouch displays and Livecode?
In-Reply-To: <559D4590.8000701@fourthworld.com>
References: <A66AE17D-4C6A-44BF-8CD0-31576231F9A6@m-r-d.de>
	<559D4590.8000701@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <64A000DD-DA1D-40B7-A5E2-B8D61777F9DC@m-r-d.de>

Richard,

i see your request is from 2009. How can be reactivate that request. I fear it?s forgotten at Livecode.

Matthias





> Am 08.07.2015 um 17:45 schrieb Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>:
> 
> Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> 
> > today i was asked by a Director developer if LiveCode supports
> > Multitouch screens/displays on Windows 8.
> >
> > He needs to track 1-finger and 2-finger touches. 1-finger touches
> > i would assume are normal mouse clicks, but what about 2-finger
> > touches. Is this possible with LC?
> 
> Ubuntu also has a touch layer I'd love to be able to take advantage of, but at this time the desktop LiveCode engine doesn't support multitouch input.
> 
> I submitted a request for this some time ago:
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8446
> 
> Given the ever-larger variety of systems that use multitouch I hope this will be able to be reevaluated in the priority queue.  They have the syntax and core support, and now we need to map those to the relevant desktop APIs as has already been done for tablets and phones.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  8 12:28:28 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:28:28 -0700
Subject: Multitouch displays and Livecode?
In-Reply-To: <64A000DD-DA1D-40B7-A5E2-B8D61777F9DC@m-r-d.de>
References: <64A000DD-DA1D-40B7-A5E2-B8D61777F9DC@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <559D4FAC.8020901@fourthworld.com>

Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> i see your request is from 2009. How can be reactivate that request. I fear it?s forgotten at Livecode.

Feature requests not marked as "Closed" are still open.  There's no 
guarantee of course that all feature requests will be implemented 
immediately, and given the many priorities for features they're already 
publicly committed to it's understandable that other new features may 
remain in queue longer than we might prefer.

That said, since that request was originally submitted the business 
landscape has changed, and today Apple is the only company pursuing a 
bifurcated OS strategy while Windows, Ubuntu, and others are pursuing a 
unified strategy across all device types (and given that there are 
effectively few differences in use cases between a tablet with a docking 
keyboard and a slender laptop with a detachable touch screen, I feel 
it's reasonable to expect Apple will announce a unified OS strategy 
within another couple years at the outside).

So if you want to add your business use case to the comments there that 
may help raise awareness for the request, though please keep in mind 
that they also have requests from others in our community so there's no 
guarantee they'll stop work on other requested features to jump on this one:

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8446

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Jul  8 13:24:49 2015
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:24:49 -0400
Subject: How can I strip away formatting from an RTF file?
Message-ID: <A253FE08-C3AF-462F-9266-72D07AB60D98@videotron.ca>

Hi everyone,

I imported an RTF file and put it into a field using

   set the RTFText of field "File Text" to url ("file:" & longFileName)

Of course, the text in the field is formatted as in the file that was imported. How can I import the text while stripping away the formatting, which I do not need?

Gregory



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Jul  8 13:31:53 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 17:31:53 +0000
Subject: How can I strip away formatting from an RTF file?
In-Reply-To: <A253FE08-C3AF-462F-9266-72D07AB60D98@videotron.ca>
References: <A253FE08-C3AF-462F-9266-72D07AB60D98@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <5C099075-599E-449A-B715-4B4B5EC411F9@byu.edu>


On Jul 8, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I imported an RTF file and put it into a field using
> 
>   set the RTFText of field "File Text" to url ("file:" & longFileName)
> 
> Of course, the text in the field is formatted as in the file that was imported. How can I import the text while stripping away the formatting, which I do not need?
> 
> Gregory

Gregory,

Just ?put? the text of the field into another field or variable:

  put fld ?myRTF? into fld ?myText?

Putting text never preserves formatting. 

Another trick I?ve learned (unless it?s been changed recently) is that using ?replace? on a field strips formatting.

  replace space with space in fld ?myRTF?

HTH


Devin


Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From gbojsza at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 13:35:52 2015
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 13:35:52 -0400
Subject: Using sudo in shell
Message-ID: <CACW8NbBnxW19KLcpdB7cgoLZ=NEirnXbrZ1Fs-CAgAzCzk0Aeg@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if there is a way to do a shell that has sudo in it?

On the first attempt (Note dart is an internal application)

put shell ("sudo dart")

I get the following error message

sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified

Is there any way to run sudo from the shell?

thanks,

Glen


From th.douez at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 13:36:27 2015
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 19:36:27 +0200
Subject: How can I strip away formatting from an RTF file?
In-Reply-To: <A253FE08-C3AF-462F-9266-72D07AB60D98@videotron.ca>
References: <A253FE08-C3AF-462F-9266-72D07AB60D98@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO7-MA49xNOwV30-AYeWKWq+xmVV8=ZDnAay5myxYcn0AA@mail.gmail.com>

2015-07-08 19:24 GMT+02:00 Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I imported an RTF file and put it into a field using
>
>    set the RTFText of field "File Text" to url ("file:" & longFileName)

after your line of code, do:

      put fld "File Text" into fld "File Text"

HTH,

Thierry



From th.douez at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 13:54:50 2015
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 19:54:50 +0200
Subject: Using sudo in shell
In-Reply-To: <CACW8NbBnxW19KLcpdB7cgoLZ=NEirnXbrZ1Fs-CAgAzCzk0Aeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbBnxW19KLcpdB7cgoLZ=NEirnXbrZ1Fs-CAgAzCzk0Aeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO7-Q4dpX+iWbKO159cowbtngsY3Bw0gAAbgAjKaFDGtiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Glen,

Not knowing your context, this might not be what you are looking for.
but as a start?

http://superuser.com/questions/256981/non-interactive-ssh-sudo-prompts-for-the-password-in-plain-text

Regards,

Thierry

------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYtext2speech - sunnYrex


2015-07-08 19:35 GMT+02:00 Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com>:
> I was wondering if there is a way to do a shell that has sudo in it?
>
> On the first attempt (Note dart is an internal application)
>
> put shell ("sudo dart")
>
> I get the following error message
>
> sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
>
> Is there any way to run sudo from the shell?
>
> thanks,
>
> Glen



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  8 13:58:15 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 10:58:15 -0700
Subject: How can I strip away formatting from an RTF file?
In-Reply-To: <5C099075-599E-449A-B715-4B4B5EC411F9@byu.edu>
References: <5C099075-599E-449A-B715-4B4B5EC411F9@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <559D64B7.3030907@fourthworld.com>

Devin Asay wrote:
 > On Jul 8, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
 >>
 >> I imported an RTF file and put it into a field using
 >>
 >>   set the RTFText of field "File Text" to url ("file:" &
 >> longFileName)
 >>
 >> Of course, the text in the field is formatted as in the file that
 >> was imported. How can I import the text while stripping away the
 >> formatting, which I do not need?
 >
 > Just ?put? the text of the field into another field or variable:
 >
 >   put fld ?myRTF? into fld ?myText?
 >
 > Putting text never preserves formatting.
 >
 > Another trick I?ve learned (unless it?s been changed recently) is
 > that using ?replace? on a field strips formatting.
 >
 >   replace space with space in fld ?myRTF?

Setting the field's contents as with your first example would be the way 
I would recommend.

Replacing a single character should ideally only affect the text style 
for that character, even if it occurs in multiple places, so personally 
I would consider the second example a bug if it strips all styles from 
unaffected portions of the text.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From gbojsza at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 14:09:16 2015
From: gbojsza at gmail.com (Glen Bojsza)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 14:09:16 -0400
Subject: Using sudo in shell
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO7-Q4dpX+iWbKO159cowbtngsY3Bw0gAAbgAjKaFDGtiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbBnxW19KLcpdB7cgoLZ=NEirnXbrZ1Fs-CAgAzCzk0Aeg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8ucO7-Q4dpX+iWbKO159cowbtngsY3Bw0gAAbgAjKaFDGtiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACW8NbA1TbmqNJudKcXeqQ64PrPZZdHp3z-9fsOd8wOk+NwR4w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thierry,

I already can modify my system so I won't be prompted for a password as
noted in your link but I need something so it will work on systems that are
not modified.

Since this is being done locally on the machine the ssh -t option won't
help.

regards,

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Glen,
>
> Not knowing your context, this might not be what you are looking for.
> but as a start?
>
>
> http://superuser.com/questions/256981/non-interactive-ssh-sudo-prompts-for-the-password-in-plain-text
>
> Regards,
>
> Thierry
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYtext2speech - sunnYrex
>
>
> 2015-07-08 19:35 GMT+02:00 Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com>:
> > I was wondering if there is a way to do a shell that has sudo in it?
> >
> > On the first attempt (Note dart is an internal application)
> >
> > put shell ("sudo dart")
> >
> > I get the following error message
> >
> > sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
> >
> > Is there any way to run sudo from the shell?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Glen
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul  8 14:20:24 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:20:24 -0500
Subject: How can I strip away formatting from an RTF file?
In-Reply-To: <5C099075-599E-449A-B715-4B4B5EC411F9@byu.edu>
References: <A253FE08-C3AF-462F-9266-72D07AB60D98@videotron.ca>
	<5C099075-599E-449A-B715-4B4B5EC411F9@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <559D69E8.1080802@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/8/2015 12:31 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> Another trick I?ve learned (unless it?s been changed recently) is
> thatusing ?replace? on a field strips formatting.
>
>    replace space with space in fld ?myRTF?
>

I usually skip the intermediary and just do:

  set the RTFText of field "File Text" to url ("file:" & longFileName)
  put fld "File Text" into fld "File Text"

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul  8 14:24:56 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 13:24:56 -0500
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <004a01d0b8f8$08074a00$1815de00$@net>
References: "	<0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>"	<559BF2A6.3060603@fourthworld.com>	<38F458C6-ED95-467D-A13F-6B8625872C79@mac.com>	<559C0D37.4030609@hyperactivesw.com>	<038189427c9cb09ea2109e9bb4cc34ea@livecode.com>
	<004a01d0b8f8$08074a00$1815de00$@net>
Message-ID: <559D6AF8.9020402@hyperactivesw.com>

Thanks, both of you. I almost never log into my account, I always 
download directly from the public download page, so I assumed all 
available builds were there. It's odd that the commercial edition of the 
IDE/engine is listed there but not the commercial edition of server.

On 7/7/2015 4:01 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> I you go to the classic account page the commercial server download link is there along with the username and password. I just downloaded it a month ago so I could use password protected library stacks.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter TB Brett
> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 3:45 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: LiveCode Server - where to start?
>
> On 2015-07-07 19:32, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> On 7/7/2015 11:45 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>>> Richard, you are always so generous with your advice and your time!
>>> Thanks, that helps a lot. I still  need to understand a lot more, but
>>> it?s a flying start.
>>
>> Actually, knowing your situation, LC server can't be used because
>> there is no commercial version. You'll need to implement the old-style
>> CGI system. I'll write to you privately, but wanted to short-stop any
>> efforts before you spent too much time on it. LC server is a wonderful
>> utility but in this case the lack of commercial support is a blocker
>> for you.
>
> There is, in fact, a commercial version of LiveCode server available.
> Please contact LiveCode support with the details of your subscriber account; they'll be able to hook you up.
>
>                                 Peter
>
> --
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> LiveCode Engine Development Team
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Jul  8 14:28:02 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 18:28:02 +0000
Subject: How can I strip away formatting from an RTF file?
In-Reply-To: <559D64B7.3030907@fourthworld.com>
References: <5C099075-599E-449A-B715-4B4B5EC411F9@byu.edu>
	<559D64B7.3030907@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2450C0EF-8338-4D80-BCEE-7AB3E518361C@byu.edu>


On Jul 8, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Replacing a single character should ideally only affect the text style for that character, even if it occurs in multiple places, so personally I would consider the second example a bug if it strips all styles from unaffected portions of the text.

This comment appears in the dictionary entry for replace:

"Important! You can use the replace command on a field, but doing so removes any formatting (fonts, styles, colors, and sizes) in the field. To work around this limitation, use the field's htmlText property as the source for replacement instead of using the field itself as the source.?

So it?s intentional. I suspect that speed is the issue here. Replace is dang fast, and I wouldn?t want it to be slowed down by forcing it to consider formatting. Especially when there are simple workarounds like the htmlText trick above or using replaceText().

Devin


Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Jul  8 14:29:27 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 18:29:27 +0000
Subject: How can I strip away formatting from an RTF file?
In-Reply-To: <559D69E8.1080802@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <A253FE08-C3AF-462F-9266-72D07AB60D98@videotron.ca>
	<5C099075-599E-449A-B715-4B4B5EC411F9@byu.edu>
	<559D69E8.1080802@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <EC9D4D0A-3D28-4B01-9F2D-2769325F9629@byu.edu>


On Jul 8, 2015, at 12:20 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

I usually skip the intermediary and just do:
> 
> set the RTFText of field "File Text" to url ("file:" & longFileName)
> put fld "File Text" into fld "File Text?

Right, that works, and is the least messy way if you don?t need to hang on to the original, formatted text.

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Jul  8 14:31:56 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 18:31:56 +0000
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <559D6AF8.9020402@hyperactivesw.com>
References: "	<0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>"
	<559BF2A6.3060603@fourthworld.com>
	<38F458C6-ED95-467D-A13F-6B8625872C79@mac.com>
	<559C0D37.4030609@hyperactivesw.com>
	<038189427c9cb09ea2109e9bb4cc34ea@livecode.com>
	<004a01d0b8f8$08074a00$1815de00$@net>
	<559D6AF8.9020402@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4CBFC05B-A974-47BD-84E1-B1C5E8E82D3B@byu.edu>


On Jul 8, 2015, at 12:24 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Thanks, both of you. I almost never log into my account, I always download directly from the public download page, so I assumed all available builds were there. It's odd that the commercial edition of the IDE/engine is listed there but not the commercial edition of server.

Perhaps because there is no license validation step when installing Server. So LC restricts download access to users with a current subscription.

D

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  8 14:54:26 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:54:26 -0700
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <559D6AF8.9020402@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <559D6AF8.9020402@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <559D71E2.6090809@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

 > I almost never log into my account, I always download directly
 > from the public download page, so I assumed all available builds
 > were there. It's odd that the commercial edition of the
 > IDE/engine is listed there but not the commercial edition of server.

I'd guess it's just a matter of ROI:  most uses cases for LC Server are 
well satisfied by the Community edition, and since Server is a 
command-line-only app, they'd need to come up with some special scheme 
in that engine build to handle licence enforcement.  So instead they 
just put the license enforcement in the Web site's account page, and 
only a very small handful of people ever need it anyway so it seems a 
prudent use of their time.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul  8 15:08:45 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 14:08:45 -0500
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <4CBFC05B-A974-47BD-84E1-B1C5E8E82D3B@byu.edu>
References: "	<0B4FFC75-CAEE-409F-8A2A-5260348119B7@mac.com>"	<559BF2A6.3060603@fourthworld.com>	<38F458C6-ED95-467D-A13F-6B8625872C79@mac.com>	<559C0D37.4030609@hyperactivesw.com>	<038189427c9cb09ea2109e9bb4cc34ea@livecode.com>	<004a01d0b8f8$08074a00$1815de00$@net>	<559D6AF8.9020402@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4CBFC05B-A974-47BD-84E1-B1C5E8E82D3B@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <559D753D.7000000@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/8/2015 1:31 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
> On Jul 8, 2015, at 12:24 PM, J. Landman Gay
> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, both of you. I almost never log into my account, I always
>> download directly from the public download page, so I assumed all
>> available builds were there. It's odd that the commercial edition
>> of the IDE/engine is listed there but not the commercial edition of
>> server.
>
> Perhaps because there is no license validation step when installing
> Server. So LC restricts download access to users with a current
> subscription.

That makes sense. You and Richard both came up with the same thought so 
it must be true. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul  8 15:24:54 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 12:24:54 -0700
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <559D753D.7000000@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <559D753D.7000000@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <559D7906.7060600@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

 > You and Richard both came up with the same thought so
 > it must be true. :)

By itself that's no indicator of truth.  After all, Devin and I have a 
few crazy ideas in common. :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul  8 15:28:30 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 19:28:30 +0000
Subject: LiveCode Server - where to start?
In-Reply-To: <559D7906.7060600@fourthworld.com>
References: <559D753D.7000000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<559D7906.7060600@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNkjtxpEXKaLvc1OMPtRbnsUT0qQ3dwpkXBZhKyc4-50A@mail.gmail.com>

Crazy ideas can be true too :-)

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:25 PM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>  > You and Richard both came up with the same thought so
>  > it must be true. :)
>
> By itself that's no indicator of truth.  After all, Devin and I have a
> few crazy ideas in common. :)
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 16:52:19 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 14:52:19 -0600
Subject: Using sudo in shell
In-Reply-To: <CACW8NbA1TbmqNJudKcXeqQ64PrPZZdHp3z-9fsOd8wOk+NwR4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbBnxW19KLcpdB7cgoLZ=NEirnXbrZ1Fs-CAgAzCzk0Aeg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8ucO7-Q4dpX+iWbKO159cowbtngsY3Bw0gAAbgAjKaFDGtiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACW8NbA1TbmqNJudKcXeqQ64PrPZZdHp3z-9fsOd8wOk+NwR4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpeOH7uKKvK3qAGd=AjAOPWZYRHXYrT3FLRCFJEeh8UJg@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if this will work for what you need, but can you just "open
elevated process.. " to start your process with privileges?  The user would
have to be able to provide a password of course.

Alternatively, and NOT recommended (because its asking for trouble)  you
can do this..
echo passwordhere |sudo -S commandHere
the -S means to read from stdin, so the echo gets popped in for the
password prompt.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Thierry,
>
> I already can modify my system so I won't be prompted for a password as
> noted in your link but I need something so it will work on systems that are
> not modified.
>
> Since this is being done locally on the machine the ssh -t option won't
> help.
>
> regards,
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Glen,
> >
> > Not knowing your context, this might not be what you are looking for.
> > but as a start?
> >
> >
> >
> http://superuser.com/questions/256981/non-interactive-ssh-sudo-prompts-for-the-password-in-plain-text
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Thierry
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> > sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYtext2speech - sunnYrex
> >
> >
> > 2015-07-08 19:35 GMT+02:00 Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com>:
> > > I was wondering if there is a way to do a shell that has sudo in it?
> > >
> > > On the first attempt (Note dart is an internal application)
> > >
> > > put shell ("sudo dart")
> > >
> > > I get the following error message
> > >
> > > sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
> > >
> > > Is there any way to run sudo from the shell?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > Glen
> >
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Jul  8 17:38:43 2015
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 17:38:43 -0400
Subject: How can I strip away formatting from an RTF file?
Message-ID: <A7A18D90-B83B-431D-9448-EAA0C9BAD509@videotron.ca>

Thanks everyone! Paste the RTF field into another field: formatting gone.

	Gregory



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul  8 17:49:16 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:49:16 -0500
Subject: Stacks that won't delete
Message-ID: <559D9ADC.1020501@hyperactivesw.com>

Has anyone seen an issue where the "delete this stack" command in a 
script doesn't remove the stack from RAM?

I have an auto-build tool that creates a lot of stacks and issues that 
command after each one is saved to disk. For a couple of years now it's 
worked fine. Suddenly it stopped working intermittently. The first stack 
that gets built is always deleted correctly, but none of the remainder 
are. At the end of the script there are dozens of stacks left in RAM 
(though not open.)

The destroystack property of the stacks is false. Up until now the LC 
pref concerning destroyStack has always been set to "don't close the 
file" (the default) but a scripted command was always honored anyway. I 
had them change the preference to "close the file" and the files did get 
removed. But that setting interferes with other stacks that need to 
remain open so it isn't a solution.

So they changed the prefs back to "don't close the file" and ran the 
build tool again. All the stacks were removed from RAM correctly as 
before. We were puzzled but happy.

Today they ran the build tool again on the same set of stacks and all 
but the first are no longer deleted from RAM. It seems to come and go.

What's the deal?

We're using LC 6.6.5 because the stacks aren't yet compatible with 7.0.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul  8 18:37:07 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 22:37:07 +0000
Subject: Stacks that won't delete
In-Reply-To: <559D9ADC.1020501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <559D9ADC.1020501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNnJC4Bi_gDtc++NHHhGiuGaLTmoY7xkhzG2MTgwG9prg@mail.gmail.com>

Probably not helpful, but I've had issues for a long time with delete stack
not removing it from RAM, over several releases of LC.  It usually
manifests itself when I "save as", followed by a "delete stack", followed
by opening the original stack, at which point I get the dreaded message
about "duplicate stack names and what do I want to do" message.  The only
way I was able to get round it was to set the destroyStack property of the
stack about to be deleted to true.  Since I didn't save it before deleting
it, that was a temporary change but it ensured the stack was removed from
memory.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:49 PM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> Has anyone seen an issue where the "delete this stack" command in a
> script doesn't remove the stack from RAM?
>
> I have an auto-build tool that creates a lot of stacks and issues that
> command after each one is saved to disk. For a couple of years now it's
> worked fine. Suddenly it stopped working intermittently. The first stack
> that gets built is always deleted correctly, but none of the remainder
> are. At the end of the script there are dozens of stacks left in RAM
> (though not open.)
>
> The destroystack property of the stacks is false. Up until now the LC
> pref concerning destroyStack has always been set to "don't close the
> file" (the default) but a scripted command was always honored anyway. I
> had them change the preference to "close the file" and the files did get
> removed. But that setting interferes with other stacks that need to
> remain open so it isn't a solution.
>
> So they changed the prefs back to "don't close the file" and ran the
> build tool again. All the stacks were removed from RAM correctly as
> before. We were puzzled but happy.
>
> Today they ran the build tool again on the same set of stacks and all
> but the first are no longer deleted from RAM. It seems to come and go.
>
> What's the deal?
>
> We're using LC 6.6.5 because the stacks aren't yet compatible with 7.0.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 13:15:03 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 13:15:03 -0400
Subject: how to check for unnecessary local declarations?
In-Reply-To: <C06100DD-0FD7-461F-BDE9-83A2CA756CB5@iotecdigital.com>
References: <001001d0b404$1d43dd00$57cb9700$@kestner.de>
	<C9BCC15B-5897-4AD0-8084-ED35C3550C55@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kjvU1Mg_NC9iVu8xw=E2KVF6wZFy68YSqJHc1kiXF1n-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<68A05D7B-9479-4415-8791-B70104F871B6@iotecdigital.com>
	<CA+uh5kjm+F3pPcDaQ=jGeKXUykmAZ7KD=_JLkHCDvo8qZZ-Zbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<55962D5A.5020702@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eNmCH8uE1Vw5RFT8dtGr2y4G1vE=D=EyqZPj_+EJ6h4ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5596DA2D.4090806@ahsoftware.net>
	<C06100DD-0FD7-461F-BDE9-83A2CA756CB5@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <44D24683-3302-4057-838D-1CD804B9B186@gmail.com>

Late to the party, but here's another approach (not fully tested). Iterate the function over the full list of stacks/cards/controls of your stacks.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

---------------

function findUnusedLocals pObjRef
   -- returns a cr-delimited list of handlerName, tLocal
   --    where tLocal is a declared local not used in the handler handlerName
   put the revAvailableHandlers of pObjRef into hList
   delete word 5 to -1 of line 1 of hList
   -- to cope with the odd format of revAvailableHandlers
   repeat for each line h in hList
      put word 1 to 2 of h into hName
      put caseSwitch(word 1 of hName,"F=function","M=command","G=getprop","S=setprop","*=*") \
            into tType
      put tType into word 1 of hName
      put getHandlerFromScript(pObjRef,word 2 of hName, tType) into thisHandler
      put thisHandler into theLocals
      filter theLocals with "   local *"
      replace "   local " with empty in theLocals
      replace comma & space with cr in theLocals
      replace comma with cr in theLocals
      filter thisHandler without "   local *"
      repeat for each line L in theLocals
         if L is among the words of thisHandler then next repeat
         put hName & comma && L & cr after orphanedList
      end repeat
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of orphanedList
   return pObjRef & cr & orphanedList
end findUnusedLocals

function getHandlerFromScript pObjRef, pHandlerName, pType
   -- returns the specified handler from the script of pObjRef
   -- pHandlerName should be the bare name of the handler
   -- if you have duplicate handler names, eg, a function and a command with
   --    the same name, or getprop and setprop handlers with the same name,
   --    then both/all will be returned, unless you specify the optional pType
   --       as "function" or "command" or "getprop" or "setprop"
   -- if not found, returns "no such handler:" && pType && pHandlerName
   -- by Peter M. Brigham, pmbrig at gmail.com ? freeware,
   --    based on a discussion on the use-LC list
   -- requires caseSwitch()
   
   put the script of pObjRef into tScript
   put the revAvailableHandlers of pObjRef into hList
   delete word 5 to -1 of line 1 of hList
   -- to cope with the odd format of revAvailableHandlers
   filter hList with "* " & pHandlerName & " *"
   -- now we have all lines with the handlerName
   put caseSwitch(pType,"function=F","command=M","getprop=G","setprop=S","*=*") \
         into tType
   if tType <> empty then
      -- get only the line with the correct type
      put cr before hList
      set the casesensitive to true
      replace cr & "P" with cr in hList
      filter hList with tType & " *"
   end if
   if hList = empty then
      put "no such handler:" && pType && pHandlerName into tError
      replace "  " with space in tError -- in case pType is empty
      return tError
   end if
   repeat for each line h in hList
      put line (word 3 of h) to (word 4 of h) of tScript & cr & cr after outScript
   end repeat
   delete char -2 to -1 of outScript
   return outScript
end getHandlerFromScript

function caseSwitch
   -- does a quick inline switch/case
   -- param 1 is checkValue
   -- params 2+ are in the form matchValue(s)=returnValue
   --    separate multiple matchValues with commas
   --    and enclose each matchValue=returnValue pair in quotes
   -- if checkValue matches one or more items in matchValue(s),
   --    returns returnValue
   -- use a matchValue of "*" to specify a default value,
   --    to be returned if no matches found in the list
   --    if the default is "*=*" then no match returns the original checkValue
   --    if no match and no default value specified, then returns empty
   -- examples:
   --    put caseSwitch(len(tZip),"5=zip","10=zip+4","*=not a zip code") \
      --             into zipCodeType
   --    put caseSwitch(item 1 of the abbr date,"Sat,Sun=weekend","*=weekday") \
      --             into dayType
   -- from Ken Ray, use-LC list, originally named stsSwitch()
   -- revised by Peter M. Brigham, pmbrig at gmail.com
   --    to allow for an empty checkValue, eg "=no input"
   --    or ",4,5=other" or "4,,5=other" or "4,5,=other"
   --    meaning, if checkValue is 4 or 5 or empty, return "other"
   
   put param(1) into tCheckValue
   set the itemDel to "="
   repeat with x = 2 to the paramCount
      put param(x) into tCheck
      put item 1 of tCheck into tMatch
      put item 2 of tCheck into tRetVal
      replace "," with "=" in tMatch
      -- to avoid having to switch itemdelimiters
      if tCheckValue = empty and tMatch = empty then return tRetVal
      if tCheckValue = empty and (char 1 of tMatch = "=" or char -1 of tMatch = "=" \
            or "==" is in tMatch) then return tRetVal
      if tCheckValue is among the items of tMatch then return tRetVal
      if tMatch = "*" then
         if tRetVal = "*" then
            put tCheckValue into tDefault
         else
            put tRetVal into tDefault
         end if
         return tDefault
      end if
   end repeat
end caseSwitch

On Jul 6, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Thanks Mark. The code to get the script locals looks suspiciously like what I suggested. Are you sure Jerry didn?t use Jacques Time Travel stack to steal my code??
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2015, at 11:53 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>> 
>> On 07/03/2015 11:11 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>> Nice!  Only thing I don't see is dealing with block comments - the things
>>> surrounded by "/*" and "*/" and possibly spanning several lines.
>> 
>> There's some DRY cleanup that could be done as well.
>> Feel free to make it better and submit the changes.
>> It's all on bitbucket, and unfortunately it's a LiveCode stack rather than text files so you can't submit git pull requests, but drop me a note or create an issue.
>> 
>> https://bitbucket.org/mwieder/glx2/wiki/Home
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 22:47:39 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 19:47:39 -0700
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
In-Reply-To: <618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHzJo_6OJ-fyjLA=7kgejJei294DXrZ4XQS1duq-Fo7SA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 3:27 AM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I?m trying to find the best way to clear all the fields in which data can
> be entered on a card. At the moment I use this code:
>

Situation dependent, of course, but I have sections with things like

switch

case fldNam="Label Field"

case char 1 to 4 of fldNam="lbl_"

case char 1 to 4 of fldNam = "ctr_" --nondata control fields
...

--it's not a live field
next repeat
break

...

end switch


thee are in one-time loops when the version number changes.  At the end of
the loop, a custom property with the "live" fields is set, so

on close field

if fldNam is among the words of the datFields of this card

--do something
...


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Jul  9 01:07:16 2015
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:07:16 -0700
Subject: Struggling with native iOS text input
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4M6DhHqpgOJ_+wfi5aYqhn+XogOu0N7koTNCKQF2YvV7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4M6DhHqpgOJ_+wfi5aYqhn+XogOu0N7koTNCKQF2YvV7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71058F8D-644D-4917-B402-7FAA9EA2F890@elementarysoftware.com>

I?m not sure what issue that you are having with tmControl2. Can you provide us with some code that isn?t working correctly. Maybe we can spot something.
?
Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
office     1-800-615-0867
------------------------------------------------------
(Hmm, I just looked at the lesson you referenced and realized I probably didn?t provide you with any help.)
> On Jul 8, 2015, at 4:44 AM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <skip at magicgate.com> wrote:
> 
> Good morning LC'ers,
> 
> I am struggling with native iOS text input fields.  Can anybody lead me to
> some working examples so I can get my app cranking?
> 
> I took a look at a resource online but it does not seem to work.
> http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4069/l/29112-how-do-i-use-native-text-controls-on-mobile
> 
> As a matter of fact, it seems to have some of the same issues that I have
> when trying to implement the native text field through tmControl2.  Maybe
> something to do with a newer release of LC and some different coding I need
> to do?
> 
> Using LC 7.0.6
> 
> Any guidance is ALWAYS appreciated!
> 
> SKIP
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From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Jul  9 01:20:16 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 19:20:16 -1000
Subject: OT: Looking to Hire
Message-ID: <559E0490.9090100@hindu.org>

I'm looking to hire someone to help with our RevIgniter web site and we 
server.

http://www.himalayanacademy.com

[side note... is there some kind of job exchange thing over on the 
forums? I don't see it, but I want to post over there too... if so what 
is the best forum to use?]

This is not a full time job.

Benefits:

1) I pay by the hour, you work, invoice for the month, we pay for 
whatever hours have accrued. If you only worked a few yours you can let 
the invoice roll for another month. Up to you. I never quibble over 
things like you having to refactor your code because you/we make new 
decisions, or it turned into spaghetti over time and we know we really 
should refactor and get the structure back up to best practice. etc. You 
will always get paid for your time. No difficult client-developer 
scenarios as long as I can trust you will do your best and be focused 
when you work, I will pay you, even for some trial and error. You will 
never get stiffed, ever.  I you want a reference, contact Andre Garzia. 
We have been working together since 2005.

That said I cannot pay you for your learning curve or deep "trial and 
error" experiments. If you get a brilliant idea, that I may not feel is 
essential, that requires you to spend the mid night hours doing 
research, writing, testing...go for it, but that's on your time/dime.

2) Skype calls and strategy discussions are also billable hours. I don't 
work by email other than occasional "when can we talk" and a minimum of 
brainstorming. Otherwise we talk, I pay you for the talk, you work and 
document what you do in our ticket system and in your code and we keep 
going. Ergo, the relationship does not come with another email burden 
eating up your time with non-billable time writing emails. If you are 
unavailable Skype and I cannot easily define requirements in the ticket 
system. I just wait... no emails....

3) Any code you write or that we develop together is free to be used 
wherever you like. I don't do "proprietary" anything.

4) You will on occasion also work with Andre Garzia where projects may 
involve him. Very busy right now. But he is a fun guy and has a great 
vision for the right way to do things. I would be no where without 
having him to help me with strategy.

5) We are not developing enterprise that is on some commercial deadline 
that puts anyone in a pressure cooker. We don't live like that. Assuming 
you will actually put in the time on a reasonable schedule then if you 
have a job assignment, you do it when you can... I rarely, almost 
*never* ask you do something " in the next three days or else!"  If you 
get sick or need to go on a trip... just tell me. I'm patient.  As long 
as you are productive of a 30 period, you do it  on your schedule.

OTOH: if something is really broken, we may need to team up and fix it 
asap. (very rare)

This job requires a broad range of skills. I'm looking to cultivate a 
long term relationship with someone who can become familiar with our 
platform (linux/livecode server/revIgniter) and help us, especially if 
you also know mobile and responsive web enough to understand what it 
means to set some div to 100% so that it works on a small device.

a) solve problems
b) drive our web development goals forward.

If you have mobile app skills and the relationship is positive, this 
could roll over to a lot more paid hours as I'm beginning to work on 
apps and also need help there too.

CONS:

I don't have a big budget, if you want > $80.00+ an hour don't apply. We 
pay you with OPM -- Other People's Money (donations)... and our web site 
has zero revenue stream... but this could be a fun side job for you.

Qualifications:

ESSENTIAL

1) should be familiar with Linux web server admin. We are currently on 
Ubuntu 14.01 LTS
      -- able to use the command line .e.g if you don't know what "tail 
-fn 100" means  don't apply.
      -- if you don't know what SSH keys are, don't apply
      -- if you don't know how to install a package... don't apply
      -- knows how to debug problems as they arise, e.g. monitor logs on 
the cmd line, if needed (rare, but you should be competent enough to dig 
if you have to)
      -- know how to install stuff on Ubuntu (e.g. imageMagick) and how 
to use bash scripts.

2) Have strong understanding of the http protocol / html validation, 
"semantic" html code (CSS does the presentation layer.....) If this is 
beginning to sound like Greek to you, don't apply.

2) Have a deep understanding of LiveCode server, best practices, server 
side scripting for web, how the basic web protocols are implemented in 
LC (xml, POST, GET)

SEMI-ESSENTIAL

You don't have to have world domination class expertise here, but some 
facility will be needed in:

3) If you already know RevIgniter, great. If not, but you have # 2 above 
(deep LC expertise) then I'm willing to let you go through your 
RevIgniter learning curve with us. It's more fun that surfing. And a lot 
less dangerous. if you know LC, it will take you about 30 minutes to 
understand the framework.

3) Be familiar with CSS, although deep expertise is not expected as the 
base design is already done. but we do need to extend things now. But if 
don't even understand what a selector is and what a style sheet looks 
like don't apply. A good understanding of precedence (how one CSS rule 
"takes charge") will help, though we can mentor you there if needed.

3) Javascript: some ability to edit... again, no deep expertise is 
required, but you must at least be able to run pages and determine from 
the console if there are errors and in which JS script etc.  Again, this 
is not a big requirement... but you must have at least some experience. 
But if you don't even know how to load a page with developer tools 
loaded in Firefox or Chrome and identify JS errors in the console: don't 
apply. If you do have strong JS skills, great!  While we do LC, we will 
also hope to do some HTML5 along the way... RevIgniter is very flexible.


Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com



From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jul  9 07:34:23 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:34:23 +0200
Subject: AW: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>	<011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
	<CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301d0ba3b$348b5e10$9da21a30$@kestner.de>

Hi Mike,
just noticed, that specialfolderpath("0x0023") is the same as my up to now used specialfolderpath("35"), which was on XP C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ApplicationData. On Win Vista and above this path doesn't exists anymore and now is C:\ProgramData, which obviously hasn't write permission anymore on all users and gets virtualized, when trying to write to it.
So probably what Peter said, following the windows security guidelines, there isn't anymore any "all users" write directory for app data,.
Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bonner
Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 14:47
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?

you might try specialfolderpath("0x0023") which is the common app data folder. (app data for all users).  I can't test on xp.  On vista/7 the directory is c:\ProgramData On xp it should be c:\Documents and Settings\All Users\ApplicationData

You'll probably want to create a subfolder for your app of course.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
wrote:

> Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
>
> How would I differentiate the access to these two different option sets?
> On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an admin 
> I would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending on the 
> log-in the appropriate options. But I never have seen a chance in 
> LiveCode to ask for the user privileges (on Win and Mac) to be able to differentiate it.
> How is this usually be done?
> Tiemo
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im 
> Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 12:17
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all 
> users?
>
> On 2015-07-07 11:08, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
> >
> > Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my 
> > option file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the software 
> > should look automatically for updates. If I think about schools, 
> > where different users can log in the same computer, that?s why I 
> > wanted to keep one option file for all users.
> >
> > But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file 
> > into an "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the admin 
> > and a "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
> >
> > Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a 
> > single options file which works in multi-user environments as on a 
> > private single-user computer?
>
> Yes, that would be exactly the way I would recommend to structure things.
> You could think of it as follows:
>
> 1. Settings that relate to the way the program is installed on the 
> system (e.g. the video files' path, or whether to install updates) -- 
> these are the "per-system" settings and should be controlled by the 
> administrator only.
>
> 2. Settings that relate to the way the program is used (e.g. "enable 
> the colour scheme for colour-blind users") -- these are the "per-user"
> settings and should be controlled (and stored) by each user.
>
> It is sometimes a little bit difficult to think about at first.
> However, dividing the settings in this way means that one user can't 
> mess things up for another user, or interfere with settings that the 
> system administrator has put in for a good reason. :-)
>
> The separation of "user" and "system" settings is the recommended way 
> to structure things on most systems nowadays, especially Windows and Linux.
>
> Don't forget that when you have a single-user computer, you can just 
> treat it as a multi-user computer with one user!
>
>                                 Peter
>
> --
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> LiveCode Engine Development 
> Team
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 08:01:29 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:01:29 -0600
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
In-Reply-To: <003301d0ba3b$348b5e10$9da21a30$@kestner.de>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>
	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>
	<011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
	<CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301d0ba3b$348b5e10$9da21a30$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSo7e9BVfcTai9q6PT_a+HLZ3k8czNW-JShg+a9ZLWjV2A@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm, did you try to write to it?  Its writeable to me from LC.  I set the
folder to the specialfolder path, and popped some data into a file and it
worked fine.  From my reading, that that is the folders purpose.

If you notice when you check the properties of the folder, the "read only"
is a greyed out (ok, blue'd out) box, not a check.  (DON'T change it!)
meaning the folder itself is read only so you can't change it,but is
actually writable.  If its checked, that sets the contents of the folder to
read only.
If the folder has been messed with, the only way to fix it is take the
check out (so that the contents are not read only) and then set the read
only attribute on the folder itself from the command line.

By default though, the folder is set up correctly to be writable.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> just noticed, that specialfolderpath("0x0023") is the same as my up to now
> used specialfolderpath("35"), which was on XP C:\Documents and Settings\All
> Users\ApplicationData. On Win Vista and above this path doesn't exists
> anymore and now is C:\ProgramData, which obviously hasn't write permission
> anymore on all users and gets virtualized, when trying to write to it.
> So probably what Peter said, following the windows security guidelines,
> there isn't anymore any "all users" write directory for app data,.
> Tiemo
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> Auftrag von Mike Bonner
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 14:47
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
> users?
>
> you might try specialfolderpath("0x0023") which is the common app data
> folder. (app data for all users).  I can't test on xp.  On vista/7 the
> directory is c:\ProgramData On xp it should be c:\Documents and
> Settings\All Users\ApplicationData
>
> You'll probably want to create a subfolder for your app of course.
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
> >
> > How would I differentiate the access to these two different option sets?
> > On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an admin
> > I would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending on the
> > log-in the appropriate options. But I never have seen a chance in
> > LiveCode to ask for the user privileges (on Win and Mac) to be able to
> differentiate it.
> > How is this usually be done?
> > Tiemo
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> > Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 12:17
> > An: How to use LiveCode
> > Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
> > users?
> >
> > On 2015-07-07 11:08, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
> > >
> > > Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my
> > > option file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the software
> > > should look automatically for updates. If I think about schools,
> > > where different users can log in the same computer, that?s why I
> > > wanted to keep one option file for all users.
> > >
> > > But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file
> > > into an "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the admin
> > > and a "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
> > >
> > > Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a
> > > single options file which works in multi-user environments as on a
> > > private single-user computer?
> >
> > Yes, that would be exactly the way I would recommend to structure things.
> > You could think of it as follows:
> >
> > 1. Settings that relate to the way the program is installed on the
> > system (e.g. the video files' path, or whether to install updates) --
> > these are the "per-system" settings and should be controlled by the
> > administrator only.
> >
> > 2. Settings that relate to the way the program is used (e.g. "enable
> > the colour scheme for colour-blind users") -- these are the "per-user"
> > settings and should be controlled (and stored) by each user.
> >
> > It is sometimes a little bit difficult to think about at first.
> > However, dividing the settings in this way means that one user can't
> > mess things up for another user, or interfere with settings that the
> > system administrator has put in for a good reason. :-)
> >
> > The separation of "user" and "system" settings is the recommended way
> > to structure things on most systems nowadays, especially Windows and
> Linux.
> >
> > Don't forget that when you have a single-user computer, you can just
> > treat it as a multi-user computer with one user!
> >
> >                                 Peter
> >
> > --
> > Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> LiveCode Engine Development
> > Team
> >
> >
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 08:03:39 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 06:03:39 -0600
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSo7e9BVfcTai9q6PT_a+HLZ3k8czNW-JShg+a9ZLWjV2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>
	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>
	<011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
	<CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301d0ba3b$348b5e10$9da21a30$@kestner.de>
	<CAG1cpSo7e9BVfcTai9q6PT_a+HLZ3k8czNW-JShg+a9ZLWjV2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoNKz_ndu6gA6y4qom9MFGbtUR8J2ncP+tzGcUkGVyfQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, and that folder DOES exist, and is not visualized, but its hidden
attribute is set.  One of the first things I do on my windows machines is
change settings so that extensions show, and hidden files show.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 6:01 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm, did you try to write to it?  Its writeable to me from LC.  I set the
> folder to the specialfolder path, and popped some data into a file and it
> worked fine.  From my reading, that that is the folders purpose.
>
> If you notice when you check the properties of the folder, the "read only"
> is a greyed out (ok, blue'd out) box, not a check.  (DON'T change it!)
> meaning the folder itself is read only so you can't change it,but is
> actually writable.  If its checked, that sets the contents of the folder to
> read only.
> If the folder has been messed with, the only way to fix it is take the
> check out (so that the contents are not read only) and then set the read
> only attribute on the folder itself from the command line.
>
> By default though, the folder is set up correctly to be writable.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>> just noticed, that specialfolderpath("0x0023") is the same as my up to
>> now used specialfolderpath("35"), which was on XP C:\Documents and
>> Settings\All Users\ApplicationData. On Win Vista and above this path
>> doesn't exists anymore and now is C:\ProgramData, which obviously hasn't
>> write permission anymore on all users and gets virtualized, when trying to
>> write to it.
>> So probably what Peter said, following the windows security guidelines,
>> there isn't anymore any "all users" write directory for app data,.
>> Tiemo
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
>> Auftrag von Mike Bonner
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 14:47
>> An: How to use LiveCode
>> Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
>> users?
>>
>> you might try specialfolderpath("0x0023") which is the common app data
>> folder. (app data for all users).  I can't test on xp.  On vista/7 the
>> directory is c:\ProgramData On xp it should be c:\Documents and
>> Settings\All Users\ApplicationData
>>
>> You'll probably want to create a subfolder for your app of course.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
>> >
>> > How would I differentiate the access to these two different option sets?
>> > On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an admin
>> > I would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending on the
>> > log-in the appropriate options. But I never have seen a chance in
>> > LiveCode to ask for the user privileges (on Win and Mac) to be able to
>> differentiate it.
>> > How is this usually be done?
>> > Tiemo
>> >
>> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
>> > Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
>> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 12:17
>> > An: How to use LiveCode
>> > Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
>> > users?
>> >
>> > On 2015-07-07 11:08, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>> > > Hi Peter,
>> > >
>> > > hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
>> > >
>> > > Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my
>> > > option file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the software
>> > > should look automatically for updates. If I think about schools,
>> > > where different users can log in the same computer, that?s why I
>> > > wanted to keep one option file for all users.
>> > >
>> > > But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file
>> > > into an "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the admin
>> > > and a "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
>> > >
>> > > Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a
>> > > single options file which works in multi-user environments as on a
>> > > private single-user computer?
>> >
>> > Yes, that would be exactly the way I would recommend to structure
>> things.
>> > You could think of it as follows:
>> >
>> > 1. Settings that relate to the way the program is installed on the
>> > system (e.g. the video files' path, or whether to install updates) --
>> > these are the "per-system" settings and should be controlled by the
>> > administrator only.
>> >
>> > 2. Settings that relate to the way the program is used (e.g. "enable
>> > the colour scheme for colour-blind users") -- these are the "per-user"
>> > settings and should be controlled (and stored) by each user.
>> >
>> > It is sometimes a little bit difficult to think about at first.
>> > However, dividing the settings in this way means that one user can't
>> > mess things up for another user, or interfere with settings that the
>> > system administrator has put in for a good reason. :-)
>> >
>> > The separation of "user" and "system" settings is the recommended way
>> > to structure things on most systems nowadays, especially Windows and
>> Linux.
>> >
>> > Don't forget that when you have a single-user computer, you can just
>> > treat it as a multi-user computer with one user!
>> >
>> >                                 Peter
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> LiveCode Engine Development
>> > Team
>> >
>> >
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jul  9 08:35:58 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:35:58 +0200
Subject: AW: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSo7e9BVfcTai9q6PT_a+HLZ3k8czNW-JShg+a9ZLWjV2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>	<011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>	<CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>	<003301d0ba3b$348b5e10$9da21a30$@kestner.de>
	<CAG1cpSo7e9BVfcTai9q6PT_a+HLZ3k8czNW-JShg+a9ZLWjV2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101d0ba43$cf1269d0$6d373d70$@kestner.de>

Hi Mike,
you are right, today and most times in the past I can write to this directory too without getting virtualized. From time to time I wonder, why changes to my option file in this directory doesn't come into effect. Searching for the reason, I find this file from time to time being virtualized in the windows virtualStore, where windows has put my changes to.
But as I said, right now, after testing it doesn't got virtualized. I have no idea, what causes windows to virtualize the same file or not from day to day (with the same user).
Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Bonner
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2015 14:01
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?

Hmm, did you try to write to it?  Its writeable to me from LC.  I set the folder to the specialfolder path, and popped some data into a file and it worked fine.  From my reading, that that is the folders purpose.

If you notice when you check the properties of the folder, the "read only"
is a greyed out (ok, blue'd out) box, not a check.  (DON'T change it!) meaning the folder itself is read only so you can't change it,but is actually writable.  If its checked, that sets the contents of the folder to read only.
If the folder has been messed with, the only way to fix it is take the check out (so that the contents are not read only) and then set the read only attribute on the folder itself from the command line.

By default though, the folder is set up correctly to be writable.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> just noticed, that specialfolderpath("0x0023") is the same as my up to 
> now used specialfolderpath("35"), which was on XP C:\Documents and 
> Settings\All Users\ApplicationData. On Win Vista and above this path 
> doesn't exists anymore and now is C:\ProgramData, which obviously 
> hasn't write permission anymore on all users and gets virtualized, when trying to write to it.
> So probably what Peter said, following the windows security 
> guidelines, there isn't anymore any "all users" write directory for app data,.
> Tiemo
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im 
> Auftrag von Mike Bonner
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 14:47
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all 
> users?
>
> you might try specialfolderpath("0x0023") which is the common app data 
> folder. (app data for all users).  I can't test on xp.  On vista/7 the 
> directory is c:\ProgramData On xp it should be c:\Documents and 
> Settings\All Users\ApplicationData
>
> You'll probably want to create a subfolder for your app of course.
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB 
> <toolbook at kestner.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
> >
> > How would I differentiate the access to these two different option sets?
> > On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an 
> > admin I would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending 
> > on the log-in the appropriate options. But I never have seen a 
> > chance in LiveCode to ask for the user privileges (on Win and Mac) 
> > to be able to
> differentiate it.
> > How is this usually be done?
> > Tiemo
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im 
> > Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 12:17
> > An: How to use LiveCode
> > Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for 
> > all users?
> >
> > On 2015-07-07 11:08, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
> > >
> > > Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my 
> > > option file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the 
> > > software should look automatically for updates. If I think about 
> > > schools, where different users can log in the same computer, 
> > > that?s why I wanted to keep one option file for all users.
> > >
> > > But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file 
> > > into an "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the 
> > > admin and a "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
> > >
> > > Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a 
> > > single options file which works in multi-user environments as on a 
> > > private single-user computer?
> >
> > Yes, that would be exactly the way I would recommend to structure things.
> > You could think of it as follows:
> >
> > 1. Settings that relate to the way the program is installed on the 
> > system (e.g. the video files' path, or whether to install updates) 
> > -- these are the "per-system" settings and should be controlled by 
> > the administrator only.
> >
> > 2. Settings that relate to the way the program is used (e.g. "enable 
> > the colour scheme for colour-blind users") -- these are the "per-user"
> > settings and should be controlled (and stored) by each user.
> >
> > It is sometimes a little bit difficult to think about at first.
> > However, dividing the settings in this way means that one user can't 
> > mess things up for another user, or interfere with settings that the 
> > system administrator has put in for a good reason. :-)
> >
> > The separation of "user" and "system" settings is the recommended 
> > way to structure things on most systems nowadays, especially Windows 
> > and
> Linux.
> >
> > Don't forget that when you have a single-user computer, you can just 
> > treat it as a multi-user computer with one user!
> >
> >                                 Peter
> >
> > --
> > Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> LiveCode Engine 
> > Development Team
> >
> >
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From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Thu Jul  9 11:49:40 2015
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 08:49:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: AW: how to get an option button with a full size icon?
In-Reply-To: <004c01d0b954$034a0b40$09de21c0$@kestner.de>
References: <012f01d0b8c8$84f827d0$8ee87770$@kestner.de>
	<004c01d0b954$034a0b40$09de21c0$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <1436456980204-4693795.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks for sharing that solution. I probably would have spent half a day
trying to sort that out.
Tom Bodine



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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  9 13:01:43 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:01:43 +0000
Subject: Autofill a web page
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am currently filling out a form several times a day to report aircraft
noise incidents.  The form requires me to complete a number of fields that
end up with the same value every time with others that are specific to each
instance of the form.


Would it be possible for me to write a Livecode app that would prefill
certain fields with default values from preferences so all I have to do is
fill the other fields manually?


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jul  9 13:09:55 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:09:55 +0000
Subject: Autofill a web page
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D7AB980-3F76-4A57-B565-7645AA60C4A2@byu.edu>


On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I am currently filling out a form several times a day to report aircraft
> noise incidents.  The form requires me to complete a number of fields that
> end up with the same value every time with others that are specific to each
> instance of the form.
> 
> 
> Would it be possible for me to write a Livecode app that would prefill
> certain fields with default values from preferences so all I have to do is
> fill the other fields manually?

Probably not, if you?re talking about sending the fill-in values to the web browser page from another app. (I?m no expert in that; others may have ideas.)

But what you may be able to do is recreate the web form in a LiveCode stack and use the stack to submit the form contents to the web service. It would involve examining the code for the web page and finding the <form> tag. I describe the process here for GET method forms:

http://livecode.byu.edu/internet/getMethodSteps.php

And here for PUT method forms:

http://livecode.byu.edu/internet/postMethodSteps.php

If the forms are basic html, and it sounds like they might be given the lack of sophistication (i.e., no pre-fill or remembering past inputs), it may be relatively simple.

Devin


Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  9 13:15:38 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:15:38 +0000
Subject: Autofill a web page
In-Reply-To: <2D7AB980-3F76-4A57-B565-7645AA60C4A2@byu.edu>
References: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D7AB980-3F76-4A57-B565-7645AA60C4A2@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN1q2bgyCMAX6zqpB9K97HRsNkwfkjXbUX2poCwGt-HEA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Devin.  I was meaning I wanted to do this in a Livecode app so
sounds like there is hope.  I will check out the links you sent.

Another complication is that the form includes a Captcha code so that will
have to be supplied manually.  Off topic, but am I the only one that finds
the majority of these Captcha codes pretty much unreadable, especially on
tablets/phones?  I guess there are different types of code, I'm referring
to the ones that are blurry photos of house numbers/street names.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:10 AM Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

>
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > I am currently filling out a form several times a day to report aircraft
> > noise incidents.  The form requires me to complete a number of fields
> that
> > end up with the same value every time with others that are specific to
> each
> > instance of the form.
> >
> >
> > Would it be possible for me to write a Livecode app that would prefill
> > certain fields with default values from preferences so all I have to do
> is
> > fill the other fields manually?
>
> Probably not, if you?re talking about sending the fill-in values to the
> web browser page from another app. (I?m no expert in that; others may have
> ideas.)
>
> But what you may be able to do is recreate the web form in a LiveCode
> stack and use the stack to submit the form contents to the web service. It
> would involve examining the code for the web page and finding the <form>
> tag. I describe the process here for GET method forms:
>
> http://livecode.byu.edu/internet/getMethodSteps.php
>
> And here for PUT method forms:
>
> http://livecode.byu.edu/internet/postMethodSteps.php
>
> If the forms are basic html, and it sounds like they might be given the
> lack of sophistication (i.e., no pre-fill or remembering past inputs), it
> may be relatively simple.
>
> Devin
>
>
> Devin Asay
> Office of Digital Humanities
> Brigham Young University
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jul  9 13:15:42 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:15:42 +0000
Subject: Autofill a web page
In-Reply-To: <2D7AB980-3F76-4A57-B565-7645AA60C4A2@byu.edu>
References: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D7AB980-3F76-4A57-B565-7645AA60C4A2@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4664DB1B-5249-4714-8FDE-7DEC65DF7E9C@byu.edu>


On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am currently filling out a form several times a day to report aircraft
>> noise incidents.  The form requires me to complete a number of fields that
>> end up with the same value every time with others that are specific to each
>> instance of the form.
>> 
>> 
>> Would it be possible for me to write a Livecode app that would prefill
>> certain fields with default values from preferences so all I have to do is
>> fill the other fields manually?
> 
> Probably not, if you?re talking about sending the fill-in values to the web browser page from another app. (I?m no expert in that; others may have ideas.)
> 
> But what you may be able to do is recreate the web form in a LiveCode stack and use the stack to submit the form contents to the web service. It would involve examining the code for the web page and finding the <form> tag. I describe the process here for GET method forms:
> 
> http://livecode.byu.edu/internet/getMethodSteps.php
> 
> And here for PUT method forms:
> 
> http://livecode.byu.edu/internet/postMethodSteps.php
> 
> If the forms are basic html, and it sounds like they might be given the lack of sophistication (i.e., no pre-fill or remembering past inputs), it may be relatively simple.

I should have added, once the form is recreated in your stack you have complete control over auto-filling fields; I?m sure you can work that part out on your own.

D

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Jul  9 13:25:11 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:25:11 +0000
Subject: Autofill a web page
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eN1q2bgyCMAX6zqpB9K97HRsNkwfkjXbUX2poCwGt-HEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D7AB980-3F76-4A57-B565-7645AA60C4A2@byu.edu>
	<CAGDT7eN1q2bgyCMAX6zqpB9K97HRsNkwfkjXbUX2poCwGt-HEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D91E91E-BE7D-4603-BEBE-633EBFDAE368@byu.edu>


On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Thanks Devin.  I was meaning I wanted to do this in a Livecode app so
> sounds like there is hope.  I will check out the links you sent.
> 
> Another complication is that the form includes a Captcha code so that will
> have to be supplied manually.  Off topic, but am I the only one that finds
> the majority of these Captcha codes pretty much unreadable, especially on
> tablets/phones?  I guess there are different types of code, I'm referring
> to the ones that are blurry photos of house numbers/street names.

I haven?t ever had to deal with Captcha images, but it might be as straightforward as finding image data in the web form and rendering it in a LC image object. It might be an interesting exercise.

D


Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From dochawk at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 13:27:13 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:27:13 -0700
Subject: can't select text of field with traversalOn and lockText set to true
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHCHJ-9HZFYxgXKQ+s-4uhc1hngeNKMLkdizp6YV6-tMw@mail.gmail.com>

According to the dictionary,

If a field's traversalOn and lockText properties are both set to true, the
user can select text, but not change it, and can scroll within the field
using the keyboard.

However, I have a pair of fields with these set to true where I can't
select the text .  Could this be related to opening the stack as modal?
(it's an error dialog, and I want to be a able to cut & paste!)



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  9 13:29:25 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:29:25 +0000
Subject: Autofill a web page
In-Reply-To: <4D91E91E-BE7D-4603-BEBE-633EBFDAE368@byu.edu>
References: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D7AB980-3F76-4A57-B565-7645AA60C4A2@byu.edu>
	<CAGDT7eN1q2bgyCMAX6zqpB9K97HRsNkwfkjXbUX2poCwGt-HEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D91E91E-BE7D-4603-BEBE-633EBFDAE368@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePSfZq6+_gYMLBm5g2Fo0BwjZQtE_QHM52yuN=x4dJfsA@mail.gmail.com>

My initial thought on this was to render the web page URL in an LC browser
object, fill in the form's fields with some sort of LC scripting, and send
a mouse click action to the form's Submit button.  Is that impractical?

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:25 AM Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

>
> On Jul 9, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Devin.  I was meaning I wanted to do this in a Livecode app so
> > sounds like there is hope.  I will check out the links you sent.
> >
> > Another complication is that the form includes a Captcha code so that
> will
> > have to be supplied manually.  Off topic, but am I the only one that
> finds
> > the majority of these Captcha codes pretty much unreadable, especially on
> > tablets/phones?  I guess there are different types of code, I'm referring
> > to the ones that are blurry photos of house numbers/street names.
>
> I haven?t ever had to deal with Captcha images, but it might be as
> straightforward as finding image data in the web form and rendering it in a
> LC image object. It might be an interesting exercise.
>
> D
>
>
> Devin Asay
> Office of Digital Humanities
> Brigham Young University
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul  9 13:32:44 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:32:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Autofill a web page
References: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D7AB980-3F76-4A57-B565-7645AA60C4A2@byu.edu>
	<CAGDT7eN1q2bgyCMAX6zqpB9K97HRsNkwfkjXbUX2poCwGt-HEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150709T192930-51@post.gmane.org>

Peter Haworth <pete at ...> writes:

> Another complication is that the form includes a Captcha code so that will
> have to be supplied manually.  Off topic, but am I the only one that finds
> the majority of these Captcha codes pretty much unreadable, especially on
> tablets/phones?  I guess there are different types of code, I'm referring
> to the ones that are blurry photos of house numbers/street names.

Google has a nice service you can tie into via api for a captcha alternative.
it presents a dozen or so images and asks something like
"select all the hamburgers" or
"select all the street signs"

We use that for rate limiting to prevent brute-force password checking.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul  9 13:48:44 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 12:48:44 -0500
Subject: Autofill a web page
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It's not a LiveCode solution, but most browsers have an auto fill feature. You could add the field names to your profile and have the browser fill them in for you. 


On July 9, 2015 12:29:25 PM CDT, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>My initial thought on this was to render the web page URL in an LC
>browser
>object, fill in the form's fields with some sort of LC scripting, and
>send
>a mouse click action to the form's Submit button.  Is that impractical?

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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  9 14:23:40 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:23:40 +0000
Subject: Autofill a web page
In-Reply-To: <62370C67-9A73-4EA2-B4A5-E4D58F6842AB@hyperactivesw.com>
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Right, I'm currently using that in Chrome to fill in my name/address info
but there are some other fields that are unique to this web site.  Is there
a way to have any field auto filled via a profile then?


On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:49 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> It's not a LiveCode solution, but most browsers have an auto fill feature.
> You could add the field names to your profile and have the browser fill
> them in for you.
>
>
> On July 9, 2015 12:29:25 PM CDT, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >My initial thought on this was to render the web page URL in an LC
> >browser
> >object, fill in the form's fields with some sort of LC scripting, and
> >send
> >a mouse click action to the form's Submit button.  Is that impractical?
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul  9 14:24:58 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:24:58 -0500
Subject: Stacks that won't delete
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNnJC4Bi_gDtc++NHHhGiuGaLTmoY7xkhzG2MTgwG9prg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <559D9ADC.1020501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eNnJC4Bi_gDtc++NHHhGiuGaLTmoY7xkhzG2MTgwG9prg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 7/8/2015 5:37 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Probably not helpful, but I've had issues for a long time with delete stack
> not removing it from RAM, over several releases of LC.  It usually
> manifests itself when I "save as", followed by a "delete stack", followed
> by opening the original stack, at which point I get the dreaded message
> about "duplicate stack names and what do I want to do" message.

That may be a clue. I set the filename of the newly created stack, save 
it to disk, and then delete it, which is what "save as" does too. So 
maybe it's linked to that.

The odd part is that it has worked for 2 years and suddenly stopped 
working, even though the script hasn't changed and the LC version is the 
same. Also, if we step through the process in the debugger, the stacks 
are removed correctly. It's only when the script runs without pause that 
it fails, and even then only sporadically.

I'll try saving the stack earlier in the process and see if that makes a 
difference. Maybe it only gets removed from RAM if the OS has had time 
to register the new file in its database. That sounds like a stretch to 
me, but it's all I can think of.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  9 14:26:24 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:26:24 +0000
Subject: Autofill a web page
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150709T192930-51@post.gmane.org>
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Right, I've seen several variations of the captcha images including the one
you mentioned.  I've also seen a variation where you're required to supply
the answer to a simple math question.  Maybe it's my tired old eyes but
anything would be better than the blurry images!

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:33 AM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Peter Haworth <pete at ...> writes:
>
> > Another complication is that the form includes a Captcha code so that
> will
> > have to be supplied manually.  Off topic, but am I the only one that
> finds
> > the majority of these Captcha codes pretty much unreadable, especially on
> > tablets/phones?  I guess there are different types of code, I'm referring
> > to the ones that are blurry photos of house numbers/street names.
>
> Google has a nice service you can tie into via api for a captcha
> alternative.
> it presents a dozen or so images and asks something like
> "select all the hamburgers" or
> "select all the street signs"
>
> We use that for rate limiting to prevent brute-force password checking.
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  9 14:29:09 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:29:09 +0000
Subject: Stacks that won't delete
In-Reply-To: <559EBC7A.5020508@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <559D9ADC.1020501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eNnJC4Bi_gDtc++NHHhGiuGaLTmoY7xkhzG2MTgwG9prg@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, I seem to remember the result was time sensitive too and that it
worked OK when stepping through with debug, which also extends the time
between operations of course.  Only difference is that I have experienced
this off and on over several years whereas it seems your script has worked
OK until recently.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:25 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 7/8/2015 5:37 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > Probably not helpful, but I've had issues for a long time with delete
> stack
> > not removing it from RAM, over several releases of LC.  It usually
> > manifests itself when I "save as", followed by a "delete stack", followed
> > by opening the original stack, at which point I get the dreaded message
> > about "duplicate stack names and what do I want to do" message.
>
> That may be a clue. I set the filename of the newly created stack, save
> it to disk, and then delete it, which is what "save as" does too. So
> maybe it's linked to that.
>
> The odd part is that it has worked for 2 years and suddenly stopped
> working, even though the script hasn't changed and the LC version is the
> same. Also, if we step through the process in the debugger, the stacks
> are removed correctly. It's only when the script runs without pause that
> it fails, and even then only sporadically.
>
> I'll try saving the stack earlier in the process and see if that makes a
> difference. Maybe it only gets removed from RAM if the OS has had time
> to register the new file in its database. That sounds like a stretch to
> me, but it's all I can think of.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul  9 14:41:36 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:41:36 -0500
Subject: Autofill a web page
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I'm not sure, I use FireFox. It remembers most things but there is also 
a plugin for FF that lets you set up autofill for any field containing 
any type of content. I see a couple of similar extensions in the Chrome 
store, maybe one of those would work?


On 7/9/2015 1:23 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Right, I'm currently using that in Chrome to fill in my name/address info
> but there are some other fields that are unique to this web site.  Is there
> a way to have any field auto filled via a profile then?
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:49 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It's not a LiveCode solution, but most browsers have an auto fill feature.
>> You could add the field names to your profile and have the browser fill
>> them in for you.
>>
>>
>> On July 9, 2015 12:29:25 PM CDT, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>>> My initial thought on this was to render the web page URL in an LC
>>> browser
>>> object, fill in the form's fields with some sort of LC scripting, and
>>> send
>>> a mouse click action to the form's Submit button.  Is that impractical?
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Thu Jul  9 15:03:47 2015
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 12:03:47 -0700
Subject: can't select text of field with traversalOn and lockText set to
	true
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The field?s autoHilite also must be true to edit text.

Peter

On Jul 9, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> According to the dictionary,
> 
> If a field's traversalOn and lockText properties are both set to true, the
> user can select text, but not change it, and can scroll within the field
> using the keyboard.
> 
> However, I have a pair of fields with these set to true where I can't
> select the text .  Could this be related to opening the stack as modal?
> (it's an error dialog, and I want to be a able to cut & paste!)
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> (702) 508-8462
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul  9 17:13:03 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:13:03 +0000
Subject: Autofill a web page
In-Reply-To: <559EC060.5000504@hyperactivesw.com>
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Thanks, I'll take a look.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:41 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> I'm not sure, I use FireFox. It remembers most things but there is also
> a plugin for FF that lets you set up autofill for any field containing
> any type of content. I see a couple of similar extensions in the Chrome
> store, maybe one of those would work?
>
>
> On 7/9/2015 1:23 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > Right, I'm currently using that in Chrome to fill in my name/address info
> > but there are some other fields that are unique to this web site.  Is
> there
> > a way to have any field auto filled via a profile then?
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:49 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It's not a LiveCode solution, but most browsers have an auto fill
> feature.
> >> You could add the field names to your profile and have the browser fill
> >> them in for you.
> >>
> >>
> >> On July 9, 2015 12:29:25 PM CDT, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >>> My initial thought on this was to render the web page URL in an LC
> >>> browser
> >>> object, fill in the form's fields with some sort of LC scripting, and
> >>> send
> >>> a mouse click action to the form's Submit button.  Is that impractical?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 18:03:22 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 16:03:22 -0600
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all users?
In-Reply-To: <004101d0ba43$cf1269d0$6d373d70$@kestner.de>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>
	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
	<fd10664adbfa2805d8ad893e4aa337ae@livecode.com>
	<011601d0b89f$e451eeb0$acf5cc10$@kestner.de>
	<CAG1cpSqFHpprU_MgJMu5=zN-+fi_o2U8EUxjwi88n9Va8EXqyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301d0ba3b$348b5e10$9da21a30$@kestner.de>
	<CAG1cpSo7e9BVfcTai9q6PT_a+HLZ3k8czNW-JShg+a9ZLWjV2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<004101d0ba43$cf1269d0$6d373d70$@kestner.de>
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I don't understand even half of everything I know about windows.
Especially when things that weren't broke to begin with get "fixed" and
things that need to be fixed in a real way get yet more layers of duct tape
patchwork workaround fixes.

Despite everything though, windows works surprisingly well most of the
time.  These random gotchas are REALLY annoying though.  Wish I knew what
was going on.

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> you are right, today and most times in the past I can write to this
> directory too without getting virtualized. From time to time I wonder, why
> changes to my option file in this directory doesn't come into effect.
> Searching for the reason, I find this file from time to time being
> virtualized in the windows virtualStore, where windows has put my changes
> to.
> But as I said, right now, after testing it doesn't got virtualized. I have
> no idea, what causes windows to virtualize the same file or not from day to
> day (with the same user).
> Tiemo
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> Auftrag von Mike Bonner
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Juli 2015 14:01
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
> users?
>
> Hmm, did you try to write to it?  Its writeable to me from LC.  I set the
> folder to the specialfolder path, and popped some data into a file and it
> worked fine.  From my reading, that that is the folders purpose.
>
> If you notice when you check the properties of the folder, the "read only"
> is a greyed out (ok, blue'd out) box, not a check.  (DON'T change it!)
> meaning the folder itself is read only so you can't change it,but is
> actually writable.  If its checked, that sets the contents of the folder to
> read only.
> If the folder has been messed with, the only way to fix it is take the
> check out (so that the contents are not read only) and then set the read
> only attribute on the folder itself from the command line.
>
> By default though, the folder is set up correctly to be writable.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:34 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike,
> > just noticed, that specialfolderpath("0x0023") is the same as my up to
> > now used specialfolderpath("35"), which was on XP C:\Documents and
> > Settings\All Users\ApplicationData. On Win Vista and above this path
> > doesn't exists anymore and now is C:\ProgramData, which obviously
> > hasn't write permission anymore on all users and gets virtualized, when
> trying to write to it.
> > So probably what Peter said, following the windows security
> > guidelines, there isn't anymore any "all users" write directory for app
> data,.
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> > Auftrag von Mike Bonner
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 14:47
> > An: How to use LiveCode
> > Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
> > users?
> >
> > you might try specialfolderpath("0x0023") which is the common app data
> > folder. (app data for all users).  I can't test on xp.  On vista/7 the
> > directory is c:\ProgramData On xp it should be c:\Documents and
> > Settings\All Users\ApplicationData
> >
> > You'll probably want to create a subfolder for your app of course.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:30 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB
> > <toolbook at kestner.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you for your helpful thoughts.
> > >
> > > How would I differentiate the access to these two different option
> sets?
> > > On a private computer where the user usually is logged in as an
> > > admin I would have to offer both option sets. In a school, depending
> > > on the log-in the appropriate options. But I never have seen a
> > > chance in LiveCode to ask for the user privileges (on Win and Mac)
> > > to be able to
> > differentiate it.
> > > How is this usually be done?
> > > Tiemo
> > >
> > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> > > Auftrag von Peter TB Brett
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 12:17
> > > An: How to use LiveCode
> > > Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for
> > > all users?
> > >
> > > On 2015-07-07 11:08, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > > > Hi Peter,
> > > >
> > > > hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
> > > >
> > > > Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my
> > > > option file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the
> > > > software should look automatically for updates. If I think about
> > > > schools, where different users can log in the same computer,
> > > > that?s why I wanted to keep one option file for all users.
> > > >
> > > > But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file
> > > > into an "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the
> > > > admin and a "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
> > > >
> > > > Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a
> > > > single options file which works in multi-user environments as on a
> > > > private single-user computer?
> > >
> > > Yes, that would be exactly the way I would recommend to structure
> things.
> > > You could think of it as follows:
> > >
> > > 1. Settings that relate to the way the program is installed on the
> > > system (e.g. the video files' path, or whether to install updates)
> > > -- these are the "per-system" settings and should be controlled by
> > > the administrator only.
> > >
> > > 2. Settings that relate to the way the program is used (e.g. "enable
> > > the colour scheme for colour-blind users") -- these are the "per-user"
> > > settings and should be controlled (and stored) by each user.
> > >
> > > It is sometimes a little bit difficult to think about at first.
> > > However, dividing the settings in this way means that one user can't
> > > mess things up for another user, or interfere with settings that the
> > > system administrator has put in for a good reason. :-)
> > >
> > > The separation of "user" and "system" settings is the recommended
> > > way to structure things on most systems nowadays, especially Windows
> > > and
> > Linux.
> > >
> > > Don't forget that when you have a single-user computer, you can just
> > > treat it as a multi-user computer with one user!
> > >
> > >                                 Peter
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> LiveCode Engine
> > > Development Team
> > >
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 18:09:08 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 16:09:08 -0600
Subject: Autofill a web page
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNrSM0hCtV=GnsdXuqLWnfFxeq6hMiqKX3Co4NJ5fO8cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2D7AB980-3F76-4A57-B565-7645AA60C4A2@byu.edu>
	<CAGDT7eN1q2bgyCMAX6zqpB9K97HRsNkwfkjXbUX2poCwGt-HEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D91E91E-BE7D-4603-BEBE-633EBFDAE368@byu.edu>
	<CAGDT7ePSfZq6+_gYMLBm5g2Fo0BwjZQtE_QHM52yuN=x4dJfsA@mail.gmail.com>
	<62370C67-9A73-4EA2-B4A5-E4D58F6842AB@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7ePtUk2thXBx=Gus=sK5fuL1NNVgS4zG=ky60+8XBkSA8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<559EC060.5000504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eNrSM0hCtV=GnsdXuqLWnfFxeq6hMiqKX3Co4NJ5fO8cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpwLZhKeWPt0Z-Q9CPT-v96ETiCNdZiucs8V8YUeer+kA@mail.gmail.com>

As peter said, if you use the rev browser to load the page, then you can
use revbrowserexecutescript and some javascript to fill in the form (most
likely).

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Thanks, I'll take a look.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 11:41 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure, I use FireFox. It remembers most things but there is also
> > a plugin for FF that lets you set up autofill for any field containing
> > any type of content. I see a couple of similar extensions in the Chrome
> > store, maybe one of those would work?
> >
> >
> > On 7/9/2015 1:23 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > > Right, I'm currently using that in Chrome to fill in my name/address
> info
> > > but there are some other fields that are unique to this web site.  Is
> > there
> > > a way to have any field auto filled via a profile then?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:49 AM J. Landman Gay <
> jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> It's not a LiveCode solution, but most browsers have an auto fill
> > feature.
> > >> You could add the field names to your profile and have the browser
> fill
> > >> them in for you.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On July 9, 2015 12:29:25 PM CDT, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
> wrote:
> > >>> My initial thought on this was to render the web page URL in an LC
> > >>> browser
> > >>> object, fill in the form's fields with some sort of LC scripting, and
> > >>> send
> > >>> a mouse click action to the form's Submit button.  Is that
> impractical?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > >> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> > >>
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul  9 18:21:13 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 18:21:13 -0400
Subject: Determining the active email client on OSX and Windows...
Message-ID: <559EF3D9.8050408@researchware.com>

Does anyone out there have reliable scripts for determining the active
email client on OSX and/or Windows? Including and especialy if the user
is using GMail?

The issue is that when you use revMail (i.e. revMail address,
[ccAddress, [mailSubject, [messageBody]]] ) it appears that Google GMail
has a character limit on the length of a message that can be passed to
it. I'd like to adjust some code I have that crafts a less detailed
message for GMail users while retaining the more lengthy information for
users of any other email client, but to do that I need to detect what
client the user has set as their primary email client.

Any known good solutions to this would be very much appreciated,





From simon at asato-media.com  Thu Jul  9 23:32:59 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 20:32:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: livecode forums down ?
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150707T231718-726@post.gmane.org>
References: <DUB114-W66984156F7CF25FB18DCBED920@phx.gbl>
	<98F265FA-CC17-4F57-A20D-D484D80D59AD@major-k.de>
	<559BD60D.6090703@fourthworld.com>
	<loom.20150707T231718-726@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1436499179430-4693815.post@n4.nabble.com>

Poor livecode.com, down again tonight July 9th.

Simon



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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 08:59:25 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 08:59:25 -0400
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
In-Reply-To: <618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6479E94-24F3-4A8A-B6C1-DD06499C5886@gmail.com>

Still catching up on my list emails, so a little behind again. I use a virtual property "writable" to identify user input fields. It test not just for locktext but also for traversalon and autohilite.

getprop writable
   ----  a virtual field property  ----
   -- writable = true if locktext = false, traversalon = true, autohilite = true
   --     ie, user can enter text
   -- place this handler in a library stack,
   --     where it will be available everywhere
   -- I usually put the following into a mouseup handler in a library script:
   --    if the commandkey is down and the shiftkey is down \
      --             and the target begins with "field" then
   --       set the writable of the target to not the writable of the target
   --    end if
   -- by Peter M. Brigham, pmbrig at gmail.com ? freeware
   
   if not (the target begins with "field") then return empty
   put the locktext of the target into L
   put the traversalon of the target into T
   put the autohilite of the target into A
   if T and A and not L then return true
   return false
end writable

setprop writable tf
   ----  a virtual field property  ----
   -- writable = true: set locktext = false, traversalon = true, autohilite = true
   --     ie, user can enter text
   -- writable = false: set locktext = true, traversalon = false, autohilite = false
   -- place this handler in a library stack,
   --     where it will be available everywhere
   -- I usually put the following into a mouseup handler in a library script:
   --    if the commandkey is down and the shiftkey is down \
      --             and the target begins with "field" then
   --       set the writable of the target to not the writable of the target
   --    end if
   -- by Peter M. Brigham, pmbrig at gmail.com ? freeware
   
   if not (the target begins with "field") then exit writable
   set the locktext of the target to not tf
   set the traversalon of the target to tf
   set the autohilite of the target to tf
end writable

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Jul 8, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:

> Thanks, Hugh
> 
> I?m trying to find the best way to clear all the fields in which data can be entered on a card. At the moment I use this code:
> 
> repeat with y = 1 to the number of fields of this card
>    if not the lockText of Field y then
>      put empty into Field y
>    end if
>  end repeat
> 
> It works for my simple program but using a customProperty would be safer.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
>> On 8 Jul 2015, at 18:09, FlexibleLearning.com <admin at FlexibleLearning.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter
>> 
>> As you will have gathered, there is no "label" property as such, simply a
>> field with pre-defined attributes including lockText. It depends what you
>> are trying to do and why you need to identify them, but if you need to
>> regularly test the easiest way may be to manually specify a customProperty
>> for each label field so that...
>> 
>> If the cLabelStyle of the target = true then [etc]
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Hugh Senior
>> FLCo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> At the moment I?m checking the lockText property to distinguish a Label
>>> Field. Is there a better or more reliable way?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Peter
>> 
>> 
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul 10 09:58:36 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:58:36 -0400
Subject: Diesel is down
In-Reply-To: <E6479E94-24F3-4A8A-B6C1-DD06499C5886@gmail.com>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
	<E6479E94-24F3-4A8A-B6C1-DD06499C5886@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701d0bb18$84b1abf0$8e1503d0$@net>

I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?

Thanks

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net




From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Jul 10 10:30:31 2015
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:30:31 +0900
Subject: Diesel is down
In-Reply-To: <001701d0bb18$84b1abf0$8e1503d0$@net>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
	<E6479E94-24F3-4A8A-B6C1-DD06499C5886@gmail.com>
	<001701d0bb18$84b1abf0$8e1503d0$@net>
Message-ID: <559FD707.1090905@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Down here, too.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan



On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Jul 10 10:32:53 2015
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:32:53 +0900
Subject: Diesel is down
In-Reply-To: <001701d0bb18$84b1abf0$8e1503d0$@net>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
	<E6479E94-24F3-4A8A-B6C1-DD06499C5886@gmail.com>
	<001701d0bb18$84b1abf0$8e1503d0$@net>
Message-ID: <559FD795.9040505@tkf.att.ne.jp>

The website/domains on diesel are working though. Pages being 
served....

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan



On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul 10 10:47:02 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:47:02 -0400
Subject: Diesel is down
In-Reply-To: <559FD795.9040505@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>	<E6479E94-24F3-4A8A-B6C1-DD06499C5886@gmail.com>	<001701d0bb18$84b1abf0$8e1503d0$@net>
	<559FD795.9040505@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <002301d0bb1f$48d78ad0$da86a070$@net>

Saw that. Thanks! It also looks like it's all back up now. I can log into
cPanel and access MySQL server

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Tim Selander
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 10:33 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Diesel is down

The website/domains on diesel are working though. Pages being served....

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan



On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
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From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Fri Jul 10 10:50:56 2015
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:50:56 +0900
Subject: Diesel is down
In-Reply-To: <001701d0bb18$84b1abf0$8e1503d0$@net>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
	<E6479E94-24F3-4A8A-B6C1-DD06499C5886@gmail.com>
	<001701d0bb18$84b1abf0$8e1503d0$@net>
Message-ID: <559FDBD0.6000100@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Seems to be back up.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


On 2015/07/10 22:58, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> I can't get to diesel or the server status page. Can anyone else verify?
>
> Thanks
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
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From david at viral.academy  Fri Jul 10 12:09:19 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:09:19 +0100
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <DB2ABE63-1DD7-45BA-9ECF-4211C3EC1D0F@gmail.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMQ96khdab862VF5zYxxCphsC2U99StEON946H8bbb-WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB2ABE63-1DD7-45BA-9ECF-4211C3EC1D0F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioPnD-hO7y8eD_M-+q+2=_hTmJW6yBYFq=vZ6KJANS1ZHA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks - arrived home safely. Less one uninsured iPhone. Thinking of
getting myself an Android - any recommendations for Livecode use?

On 7 July 2015 at 14:40, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow... I've seen that done on TV but never knew anyone that had it done to
> them.  I hope you're alright and may you have a safer and uneventful
> journey.
>
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 2015, at 6:21 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> >
> > I just turned up at Naples and transferred from bus to train. On route I
> > got surrounded by a team - someone slowed down from front, someone tapped
> > on my shoulder claiming dirt on my jacket and someone else pick-pocketed
> me
> > from the side - it was all done in the best possible taste.
> >
> >
> > I'm going to need a new phone.
> >
> >
> >> On 5 July 2015 at 20:49, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok... You need to elaborate on that "pickpocket possy from Naples..."  I
> >> have a feeling it's a good story that must be shared.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 5, 2015, at 2:00 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes there is. I'm in the middle of nowhere and just been professionaaly
> >>> pickpocketed by a possy from Naples - but when I get settled at the
> >>> symposium I should be able to help as I have a bunch of Mediawiki
> >> handlers
> >>> in a proto-library. I'm working on it at the moment so it's good timing
> >> :)
> >>>
> >>>> On Sunday, July 5, 2015, Mark Rauterkus <mark.rauterkus at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> David asked what software?
> >>>>
> >>>> YES. I am using WikiMedia software. It is on the server of course.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a couple of wikis at wikia.com and then I do have it working
> on
> >> my
> >>>> virtual server too, so one day i might depart the wikia platform or
> >> mirror
> >>>> -- for extra control.
> >>>>
> >>>> I just made about 200 wiki pages by hand. I know that there must be
> >> ways to
> >>>> have LiveCode help to automate things on the wiki.
> >>>> Log in.
> >>>> Go to this page.
> >>>> Put VAR_text into these pages.
> >>>> Save.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Ta.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark Rauterkus       Mark at Rauterkus.com
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 12:28:21 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:28:21 +0000
Subject: Open Socket With Messages
In-Reply-To: <54DB6473-B0D6-4F0C-8AEE-360E2397D872@iotecdigital.com>
References: <904EBBE7-565E-4C0D-AAED-9F4770C0D2A9@iotecdigital.com>
	<ED2C35F9-EEEA-40E0-AB1C-64048F965E7D@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSoTRF9aVWacCwv5qR=VOBdi_eymmP0ghLxpOz8Li-Su1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<54DB6473-B0D6-4F0C-8AEE-360E2397D872@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <216659A0-3018-42F1-9B9B-261ACF8FC219@iotecdigital.com>

Aye, but that wasn?t my goal. I wanted to wait until a specific callback event was triggered. The trouble is, open socket to mySQL, when it fails, seems to fail silently. No callback, no error message. 

To work around this I created my own timing loop which keeps trying every second for ten seconds, checking the openSockets property and bailing on the loop after success or timeout. 

Now my problem is, it seems every other time I try to open a socket to a perfectly good mySQL installation, the socket connection fails. I am not sure why. I am wondering if this is an issue with mySQL security or not. 

Bob S


> On Jul 6, 2015, at 14:15 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> I figured it out. First, wait for messages is just this side of useless. *ANY* message that comes through will do, not just messages from the open socket command. Secondly, I just set up my own wait loop that exits when the socket is in the openSockets or else times out after 10 seconds. This will work for me. 
> 
> I went back to the dictionary and read more thoroughly what wait for messages does, and while it is working as advertised, it is fairly worthless in it?s present form unless you find a way to trap for *ALL* messages and only respond to the callback, which is way more involved than it ought to be. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2015, at 13:54 , Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. YOu might check socketError
>> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 12:32:00 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:32:00 +0000
Subject: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all	users?
In-Reply-To: <011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
References: <00cd01d0b88c$ab15cfd0$01416f70$@kestner.de>
	<a732029374e9ac3b4bffd42963a14fe3@livecode.com>
	<011501d0b89c$e53ca430$afb5ec90$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <BBC23960-B53A-4255-A8EB-82E7A1C6B64C@iotecdigital.com>

Why not save your options as properties in the stack?

Bob S


> On Jul 7, 2015, at 03:08 , Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> hmmm, never thought about that it could be a design fault.
> 
> Beside real user based options I keep some general options in my option
> file, like the path to video files, or a flag if the software should look
> automatically for updates. If I think about schools, where different users
> can log in the same computer, that's why I wanted to keep one option file
> for all users.
> But if I follow your hint, I would have to split this option file into an
> "admin-options-file", which is only accessible for the admin and a
> "user-options-file", which is stored in the user files.
> Would you agree to this approach or do you see a chance to keep a single
> options file which works in multi-user environments as on a private
> single-user computer?
> Tiemo
> 
> 
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
> von Peter TB Brett
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 11:43
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Where to put on windows an option file accessable for all
> users?
> 
> On 2015-07-07 10:12, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
>> I have an option file, which should be read/writable for all users.
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> Please note that this goes against security best practice.  
> Configuration files that are readable by all users should only be writable
> to privileged users, i.e. administrators.  If all users can read and write a
> single configuration file, this is very often an exploitable security flaw.
> 
> If at all possible, I recommend to design your software so that each user
> gets his or her own configuration file.  The "virtualisation" that you are
> complaining about is actually a security *feature* in Windows in order to
> work around flaws in older software that attempts to use a single, "all
> users" configuration file!
> 
>                                         Peter
> 
> --
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> 
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From jana.doughty at livecode.com  Fri Jul 10 12:37:47 2015
From: jana.doughty at livecode.com (Jana Doughty)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:37:47 +0200
Subject: How to Design an App for Android
Message-ID: <6753606d08ea72bef1a9e9db3d428fb4.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>

Hi LiveCode Community,

TGIF! What better way to spend the weekend than playing with an Android UI?

Georgia shows us how to design an app for Android here:
http://livecode.com/how-to-design-an-app-for-android/

If you like it, give it a try and show your friends!

Happy Weekend!

Jana Doughty




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 12:37:56 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:37:56 +0000
Subject: [OT] OpenSSL GUI
In-Reply-To: <559C6F0D.6000004@ahsoftware.net>
References: <DF3BC138-56E1-416C-9ECB-AD64171687E0@iotecdigital.com>
	<559C6F0D.6000004@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <00E2E191-7ACC-44F4-8A4B-D4D80CCF318C@iotecdigital.com>

Huh. I?ll have a look see at that when it comes out. 

Bob S


> On Jul 7, 2015, at 17:30 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> On 07/06/2015 04:56 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
>> What I really need (and what ought to be part of the openssl download) is a Graphical User Interface that takes care of all the details for me. Anyone know where I can dl one?
> 
> https://letsencrypt.org/
> 
> -- 
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> ahsoftware at gmail.com
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 12:41:46 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:41:46 +0000
Subject: Database Input Validation
In-Reply-To: <CANi4YQbr=DyO5L2=j3j5Sa7Vw_sN_DJgFzfp+U7YNQ7sPfEhSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANi4YQYLdEKvWjXFjSdDV_c-hvFR2CCpwAPdEArhTRMZr68GVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMqvP7CJdWCXxNjNT5g6UEfRAbodE_p1b61idXtq1kDuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANi4YQbr=DyO5L2=j3j5Sa7Vw_sN_DJgFzfp+U7YNQ7sPfEhSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1300414C-BB53-419F-9606-63F950075A25@iotecdigital.com>

IMHO, there are times when validating on closeField is useful, but if it is the only way you validate, it can also be a frustration to the end user. Lets say the user enters the name in an email address, but forgets what the domain part is. He goes to navigate to his email program, and Livecode barks at him about not having the correctly formatted email address. On the other hand, I use closeField to populate other fields as in my IP Calculator.

Also, be sure to skip validation for empty fields so the user has a way to get out of the field.

Bob S


On Jul 7, 2015, at 01:19 , Pascal Lehner <tate83 at gmail.com<mailto:tate83 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Peter and Bob,

Thanks for your ideas.
I think I found a good way by doing a input check for the user fields on
closeField to avoid totally wrong information and then I will store this
unicode encoded in the database.
This should avoid quite a few problems from the start.

Regards,
Pascal



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Jul 10 12:42:23 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:42:23 +0200
Subject: How to Design an App for Android
In-Reply-To: <6753606d08ea72bef1a9e9db3d428fb4.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
References: <6753606d08ea72bef1a9e9db3d428fb4.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <7452739C-532F-49F7-830E-D50B666AE217@major-k.de>

HI Jana,

> Am 10.07.2015 um 18:37 schrieb Jana Doughty <jana.doughty at livecode.com>:
> 
> Hi LiveCode Community,
> 
> TGIF! What better way to spend the weekend than playing with an Android UI?

this is a trick question, isn?t it? :-D

> Georgia shows us how to design an app for Android here:
> http://livecode.com/how-to-design-an-app-for-android/

well done, thank you!

> If you like it, give it a try and show your friends!
> 
> Happy Weekend!
> 
> Jana Doughty

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From prothero at earthednet.org  Fri Jul 10 14:14:53 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:14:53 -0700
Subject: OSX Standalone Question
Message-ID: <59BB6560-1646-4E5D-B6C9-A44BCACA7CF6@earthednet.org>

Folks:
Dumb question, but can?t find an answer anywhere. The OSX standalone settings has a box for ?Signature? which is filled with ???? by default. I assume this is my name that I use as a developer? TRUE? 

Then, to get a code signed version of the standalone app, I need to use AppWrapper 3? I don?t see any descriptions of how to actually get the app signature applied to the app. Xcode can generate a certificate, but then I need to get it onto my app. AppWrapper indicates that the bundle is broken. I?m using LC 7.0.5 (haven?t downloaded with xCode 6.4.  Haven?t downloaded LC 7.0.6 yet.

Any link to help would be appreciated.

Regards,
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 10 14:21:38 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:21:38 -0500
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
Message-ID: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm not sure what this means but it probably deserves a heads-up. I 
received three emails today that appeared to be replies to the three 
list posts I made yesterday. They were all from the same person, whose 
name I do not recognize. The entire text of the message was:

     This registration used a hijacked email address!

followed by a quoted copy of my post. There was no other text.

When I first saw these on my Android tablet they each included an 
enclosure of different lengths. That was the tip-off to check the 
headers, since this list does not allow enclosures. The headers of a 
real list mail include "on-rev.com", these had no mention of the on-rev 
domain. They all came from a private user domain via Quest.

I then retrieved the email on my Mac and there are no enclosures listed 
for any of the three. I'm not sure where they went, I didn't open them. 
They may have been copies of the quoted posts but I'm not sure.

At any rate, something odd is going on so keep an eye out.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 14:27:51 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:27:51 +0300
Subject: Diesel is down
In-Reply-To: <559FDBD0.6000100@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
	<E6479E94-24F3-4A8A-B6C1-DD06499C5886@gmail.com>
	<001701d0bb18$84b1abf0$8e1503d0$@net> <559FDBD0.6000100@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <55A00EA7.10107@gmail.com>

Face facts, RunRev's web system: servers, web-pages are totally 
compromised at present, and  unless RunRev gets
its act together really quickly they are going to end up with both mud 
on their faces and a major loss of faith on the
half of their loyal installed base.

It is pretty telling that RunRev are NOT making any sort of obvious 
effort to keep us informed about what is going one, and what
they are doing (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh 
and dithering in the hope that things will just go away) to
rectify what is an extremely bad situation.

Of course cynical types might line up the situation with the servers and 
the website with the fact that they obviously hired a
bloody bad company to do their web-design (about whom they were crowing 
about 2 years ago) resulting in an un-navigable
pig's breakfast . . .

Malice in Wonderland? or

plain incompetence in certain areas which highly skilled software 
developers should not have to concern themselves
and should be taken care of by competent web-designers?  or

some deeper seated malaise? or

a crisis of will?

I don't know what is going on,

BUT, what I do know is that a company that have produced what I believ 
to be one of the most innovative programming environments
that very successfully strikes the balance between "traditional" 
programming languages and the "MIckey Mouse brigade" seems to have
lost a very large part of the plot somewhere . . .

. . . blame DDoS attacks if you want . . . but that will only keep 
people off your backs for so long . . . and makes bloody bad advertising 
copy.

-------------------------

If one wants to get personal, I was informed that RunRev were going to 
run a feature about my LiveCode classes in my school in
Bulgaria, and was sent a sort of questionnaire . . .

What is the result?

Some thing that does me NO favours at all, is obviously just cobbled 
together out of the answers to my questionnaire coupled
with 2 of the least useful images from my FaceBook page and presented as 
if I had written the thing.

I would NEVER have written something so illiterate and plain bloody bad!

I have worked as a University lecturer in 5 Universities world-wide, and 
that sort of article would not stand up to anything of
that sort for 5 minutes and makes me look like some sort of schoolboy 
hobbyist, which I can quite assure you I am not.

Had I known that the answers to the questionnaire were to be presented 
as an article by myself I would have sat down and spent
at least a day, and probably longer, to produce a credible piece, 
complete with Bibliography, that did justice to what I was doing, instead of
what it ended up as: a squib giving the impression that I was 
dumbing-down programming for a load of dopey children: far from the truth!

I will, after the dust has settled, and my temper [which is UTTERLY 
FILTHY at present] has returned to something like an even keel, write
a PROPER explanation of what I am doing [probably a summary of the paper 
I will be presenting to an academic conference in September]
which I shall append as an appendix to the farcical "How to teach 
coding" thing in the BLOG.

-------------------

Aye wrang, aye wrang, aye wrang.

An I for yin am fair forjeskit anent ilka o RunRev's recent 
"initiatives". An aiblins I'll be awa fae here eftir 14-15 towmonds forbye,
as aa is a richt scunner juist now.

Richmond.



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Fri Jul 10 14:38:41 2015
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:38:41 -0400
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPnD-hO7y8eD_M-+q+2=_hTmJW6yBYFq=vZ6KJANS1ZHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMQ96khdab862VF5zYxxCphsC2U99StEON946H8bbb-WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB2ABE63-1DD7-45BA-9ECF-4211C3EC1D0F@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioPnD-hO7y8eD_M-+q+2=_hTmJW6yBYFq=vZ6KJANS1ZHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3555261F-8769-4554-B3DE-6DA214020C27@all-auctions.com>

Hi David,

Did you try using  - Locate my iPhone in time and contact the authorities with the location?

I would just like to see you have a better outcome than giving the thieves a clear win.

Cheers,

Rick

> On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:09 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> Thanks - arrived home safely. Less one uninsured iPhone. Thinking of
> getting myself an Android - any recommendations for Livecode use?



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 10 14:40:41 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:40:41 -0500
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <55A011A9.1000608@hyperactivesw.com>

I checked my tablet, the enclosures were just html copies of the 
original text. So I'm not sure what that warning means, since there was 
no spam or phising links or anything besides the one-sentence warning 
that did not come from the listserve.

On 7/10/2015 1:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> I'm not sure what this means but it probably deserves a heads-up. I
> received three emails today that appeared to be replies to the three
> list posts I made yesterday. They were all from the same person, whose
> name I do not recognize. The entire text of the message was:
>
>      This registration used a hijacked email address!
>
> followed by a quoted copy of my post. There was no other text.
>
> When I first saw these on my Android tablet they each included an
> enclosure of different lengths. That was the tip-off to check the
> headers, since this list does not allow enclosures. The headers of a
> real list mail include "on-rev.com", these had no mention of the on-rev
> domain. They all came from a private user domain via Quest.
>
> I then retrieved the email on my Mac and there are no enclosures listed
> for any of the three. I'm not sure where they went, I didn't open them.
> They may have been copies of the quoted posts but I'm not sure.
>
> At any rate, something odd is going on so keep an eye out.
>


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 10 14:56:07 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:56:07 -0500
Subject: OSX Standalone Question
In-Reply-To: <59BB6560-1646-4E5D-B6C9-A44BCACA7CF6@earthednet.org>
References: <59BB6560-1646-4E5D-B6C9-A44BCACA7CF6@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <55A01547.2020008@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/10/2015 1:14 PM, William Prothero wrote:
> Folks: Dumb question, but can?t find an answer anywhere. The OSX
> standalone settings has a box for ?Signature? which is filled with
> ???? by default. I assume this is my name that I use as a developer?
> TRUE?

No, this is called the "creator code signature" and is a unique series 
of exactly four characters that identifies your app to Apple. It was 
required in OS 9 and is still accepted in OS X, but I don't know if it 
is entirely necessary any more. To get a creator code signature, you 
need to go to Apple's web site and try different combinations until you 
find one that has not yet been used. Apple will then enter it into their 
database and your app will be the only one that can use it. Generally 
the creator code signature is marginally related to the name of your 
app. For example, I have registered "Casey's Solitaire" with a creator 
code of "cSOL".

If you have not registered a creator signature, the four question marks 
are the default and you should leave them there. If you do want to 
ensure a unique signature for your app, you can get one here:

<https://developer.apple.com/datatype/creatorcode.php>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 10 14:58:01 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:58:01 -0500
Subject: OSX Standalone Question
In-Reply-To: <55A01547.2020008@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <59BB6560-1646-4E5D-B6C9-A44BCACA7CF6@earthednet.org>
	<55A01547.2020008@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <55A015B9.8090701@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/10/2015 1:56 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 7/10/2015 1:14 PM, William Prothero wrote:
>> Folks: Dumb question, but can?t find an answer anywhere. The OSX
>> standalone settings has a box for ?Signature? which is filled with
>> ???? by default. I assume this is my name that I use as a developer?
>> TRUE?
>
> No, this is called the "creator code signature" and is a unique series
> of exactly four characters that identifies your app to Apple. It was
> required in OS 9 and is still accepted in OS X, but I don't know if it
> is entirely necessary any more. To get a creator code signature, you
> need to go to Apple's web site and try different combinations until you
> find one that has not yet been used. Apple will then enter it into their
> database and your app will be the only one that can use it. Generally
> the creator code signature is marginally related to the name of your
> app. For example, I have registered "Casey's Solitaire" with a creator
> code of "cSOL".
>
> If you have not registered a creator signature, the four question marks
> are the default and you should leave them there. If you do want to
> ensure a unique signature for your app, you can get one here:
>
> <https://developer.apple.com/datatype/creatorcode.php>
>

Addendum: I just saw that creator codes are now ignored by OS X after 
Snow Leopard. So you probably don't need one.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 10 15:03:22 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:03:22 -0700
Subject: Diesel is down
In-Reply-To: <55A00EA7.10107@gmail.com>
References: <55A00EA7.10107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A016FA.4060205@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

 > Face facts, RunRev's web system: servers, web-pages are totally
 > compromised at present

To say the web pages are "compromised" normally suggests the site was 
hacked, and intruders have control of it.  I haven't seen anything like 
that.

What evidence have you seen of that?

Or did you mean to write something else?


 > It is pretty telling that RunRev are NOT making any sort of obvious
 > effort to keep us informed about what is going one

A few of us have mentioned this almost daily.  Do you read the 
use-livecode list?


 > (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh and
 > dithering in the hope that things will just go away)

Of course not, as I've written before.  But since your strong opinions 
on this certainly aren't merely random bad manners, could you kindly 
share with us the benefit of your experience and let us know what you'd 
recommend they do?


 > I don't know what is going on

No argument here.  ;)


 > . . . blame DDoS attacks if you want

Seems a reasonable thing do to when faced with a DDoS attack.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Jul 10 15:06:35 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:06:35 +0000
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>

I got the same type of emails delivered to my personal email address, both
from Jim McConnell. Sure sounds like the mailing membership has been hacked
somehow.  Could this part of the ddos attacks on the forum that have been
mentioned recently?



On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:22 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> I'm not sure what this means but it probably deserves a heads-up. I
> received three emails today that appeared to be replies to the three
> list posts I made yesterday. They were all from the same person, whose
> name I do not recognize. The entire text of the message was:
>
>      This registration used a hijacked email address!
>
> followed by a quoted copy of my post. There was no other text.
>
> When I first saw these on my Android tablet they each included an
> enclosure of different lengths. That was the tip-off to check the
> headers, since this list does not allow enclosures. The headers of a
> real list mail include "on-rev.com", these had no mention of the on-rev
> domain. They all came from a private user domain via Quest.
>
> I then retrieved the email on my Mac and there are no enclosures listed
> for any of the three. I'm not sure where they went, I didn't open them.
> They may have been copies of the quoted posts but I'm not sure.
>
> At any rate, something odd is going on so keep an eye out.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 10 15:17:18 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:17:18 -0500
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A01A3E.7070302@hyperactivesw.com>

Mine were from Jim McConnell too. I wonder if he (or someone) has got 
some kind of malware that's doing this.

The list archives are reproduced at both Gmane and Nabble, so it could 
also be a bot that scans one of those and sends this out. The odd thing 
is that it doesn't actually do anything, there aren't any links or 
enclosures.

On 7/10/2015 2:06 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I got the same type of emails delivered to my personal email address, both
> from Jim McConnell. Sure sounds like the mailing membership has been hacked
> somehow.  Could this part of the ddos attacks on the forum that have been
> mentioned recently?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:22 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what this means but it probably deserves a heads-up. I
>> received three emails today that appeared to be replies to the three
>> list posts I made yesterday. They were all from the same person, whose
>> name I do not recognize. The entire text of the message was:
>>
>>       This registration used a hijacked email address!
>>
>> followed by a quoted copy of my post. There was no other text.
>>
>> When I first saw these on my Android tablet they each included an
>> enclosure of different lengths. That was the tip-off to check the
>> headers, since this list does not allow enclosures. The headers of a
>> real list mail include "on-rev.com", these had no mention of the on-rev
>> domain. They all came from a private user domain via Quest.
>>
>> I then retrieved the email on my Mac and there are no enclosures listed
>> for any of the three. I'm not sure where they went, I didn't open them.
>> They may have been copies of the quoted posts but I'm not sure.
>>
>> At any rate, something odd is going on so keep an eye out.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul 10 15:21:02 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:21:02 -0400
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <55A011A9.1000608@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<55A011A9.1000608@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <001101d0bb45$8fad9640$af08c2c0$@net>

As I've said for the last few years "Live by the internet...Die by the
internet" Look US OPM hack, Home Depot, Target.... Seems awfully
coincidental that the NYSE, Airline and WSJ went down the same day with very
fuzzy explanations. We had an employee get Crypto Locker 3.0 last night. The
Crypto thing in out in full force.

Don't open any email that even looks sketchy. Only go to YourBank.com or
sears.com.... And it goes without saying no FREE or XXX searching.

I would not blame this on on-rev as much as the hackers trying to shut down
the world. I had current anti-virus/malware on that computer and still due
to an employee's carless surfing Crypto got thru.

PS: I feel bad when I even catch a mouse in a trap and don't believe in the
death penalty or torture but I'm ashamed to say I would not have a problem
with giving these hackers a sign that says "Bikers screw their mothers" and
tossing them into a biker bar.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of J. Landman Gay
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 2:41 PM
To: LiveCode Mailing List
Subject: Re: Unusual list spam - caution

I checked my tablet, the enclosures were just html copies of the original
text. So I'm not sure what that warning means, since there was no spam or
phising links or anything besides the one-sentence warning that did not come
from the listserve.

On 7/10/2015 1:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> I'm not sure what this means but it probably deserves a heads-up. I 
> received three emails today that appeared to be replies to the three 
> list posts I made yesterday. They were all from the same person, whose 
> name I do not recognize. The entire text of the message was:
>
>      This registration used a hijacked email address!
>
> followed by a quoted copy of my post. There was no other text.
>
> When I first saw these on my Android tablet they each included an 
> enclosure of different lengths. That was the tip-off to check the 
> headers, since this list does not allow enclosures. The headers of a 
> real list mail include "on-rev.com", these had no mention of the 
> on-rev domain. They all came from a private user domain via Quest.
>
> I then retrieved the email on my Mac and there are no enclosures 
> listed for any of the three. I'm not sure where they went, I didn't open
them.
> They may have been copies of the quoted posts but I'm not sure.
>
> At any rate, something odd is going on so keep an eye out.
>


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Jul 10 15:20:46 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:20:46 +0000
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <55A01A3E.7070302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A01A3E.7070302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePz6dyNjVaT+QtqH6E0Ju1ixuiJsSgxv0ee9Qx+EJKPdg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I thought that was strange too.  Nevertheless, gMail now directs them
straight to my Spam folder.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:17 PM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> Mine were from Jim McConnell too. I wonder if he (or someone) has got
> some kind of malware that's doing this.
>
> The list archives are reproduced at both Gmane and Nabble, so it could
> also be a bot that scans one of those and sends this out. The odd thing
> is that it doesn't actually do anything, there aren't any links or
> enclosures.
>
> On 7/10/2015 2:06 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > I got the same type of emails delivered to my personal email address,
> both
> > from Jim McConnell. Sure sounds like the mailing membership has been
> hacked
> > somehow.  Could this part of the ddos attacks on the forum that have been
> > mentioned recently?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:22 AM J. Landman Gay <
> jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not sure what this means but it probably deserves a heads-up. I
> >> received three emails today that appeared to be replies to the three
> >> list posts I made yesterday. They were all from the same person, whose
> >> name I do not recognize. The entire text of the message was:
> >>
> >>       This registration used a hijacked email address!
> >>
> >> followed by a quoted copy of my post. There was no other text.
> >>
> >> When I first saw these on my Android tablet they each included an
> >> enclosure of different lengths. That was the tip-off to check the
> >> headers, since this list does not allow enclosures. The headers of a
> >> real list mail include "on-rev.com", these had no mention of the on-rev
> >> domain. They all came from a private user domain via Quest.
> >>
> >> I then retrieved the email on my Mac and there are no enclosures listed
> >> for any of the three. I'm not sure where they went, I didn't open them.
> >> They may have been copies of the quoted posts but I'm not sure.
> >>
> >> At any rate, something odd is going on so keep an eye out.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 10 15:25:07 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:25:07 -0500
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <001101d0bb45$8fad9640$af08c2c0$@net>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>	<55A011A9.1000608@hyperactivesw.com>
	<001101d0bb45$8fad9640$af08c2c0$@net>
Message-ID: <55A01C13.2010407@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/10/2015 2:21 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> I would not blame this on on-rev

I don't, not at all. The headers clearly show that the mail doesn't even 
touch the on-rev listserve, it's coming from elsewhere.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jmac at consensustech.com  Fri Jul 10 15:49:55 2015
From: jmac at consensustech.com (Jim MacConnell)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:49:55 -0700
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01f801d0bb49$98ba0940$ca2e1bc0$@consensustech.com>

That was my fault. Someone used my email to sign up for mailing lists,
sites, etc. I got emails asking for email verification or just informing me
that "I" had joined roughly 4,000 lists in a couple of hours and it was
continuing. Used an email rule to respond with a "Not Me" notice and delete
the emails BUT I inadvertently applied the rule to existing emails instead
of only new ones coming in. that means even lists I want to be on got
notices... Dman.
Sorry for the noise.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Haworth [mailto:pete at lcsql.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:07 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Unusual list spam - caution

I got the same type of emails delivered to my personal email address, both
from Jim McConnell. Sure sounds like the mailing membership has been hacked
somehow.  Could this part of the ddos attacks on the forum that have been
mentioned recently?



On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:22 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> I'm not sure what this means but it probably deserves a heads-up. I 
> received three emails today that appeared to be replies to the three 
> list posts I made yesterday. They were all from the same person, whose 
> name I do not recognize. The entire text of the message was:
>
>      This registration used a hijacked email address!
>
> followed by a quoted copy of my post. There was no other text.
>
> When I first saw these on my Android tablet they each included an 
> enclosure of different lengths. That was the tip-off to check the 
> headers, since this list does not allow enclosures. The headers of a 
> real list mail include "on-rev.com", these had no mention of the 
> on-rev domain. They all came from a private user domain via Quest.
>
> I then retrieved the email on my Mac and there are no enclosures 
> listed for any of the three. I'm not sure where they went, I didn't open
them.
> They may have been copies of the quoted posts but I'm not sure.
>
> At any rate, something odd is going on so keep an eye out.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 15:59:12 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:59:12 +0300
Subject: Diesel is down
In-Reply-To: <55A016FA.4060205@fourthworld.com>
References: <55A00EA7.10107@gmail.com> <55A016FA.4060205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <55A02410.1030206@gmail.com>

On 10/07/15 22:03, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
> > Face facts, RunRev's web system: servers, web-pages are totally
> > compromised at present
>
> To say the web pages are "compromised" normally suggests the site was 
> hacked, and intruders have control of it.  I haven't seen anything 
> like that.
>
> What evidence have you seen of that?
>
> Or did you mean to write something else?
>
>
> > It is pretty telling that RunRev are NOT making any sort of obvious
> > effort to keep us informed about what is going one
>
> A few of us have mentioned this almost daily.  Do you read the 
> use-livecode list?

I understood, Richard Gaskin, that your good offices [which are, indeed, 
very good], were offered on a voluntary basis,
not as part of any official RunRev thing.

A service provider (and that is what RunRev now is) that wanted people 
to believe it really cared would be pumping out
hourly bulletins on what it was doing anent its DDos (or whatever it 
really is????).

>
>
> > (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh and
> > dithering in the hope that things will just go away)
>
> Of course not, as I've written before.  But since your strong opinions 
> on this certainly aren't merely random bad manners,

NO, most definitely not.

Often, my concern runs away with itself and it comes across as bad 
manners, but it is real concern about a programming
suite/language/IDE/RAD/whatever that I care desperateyly about, and have 
invested the last 15 years in learning how to use.

If calling a spade "a spade" rather than an "earth relocation 
instrument" is bad manners; then I'm bad mannered.

But being mealy-mouthed only seems to get so far.

> could you kindly share with us the benefit of your experience and let 
> us know what you'd recommend they do?

Well:

1. Sort out the website so that it has some sort of logical hierarchy 
and is east to navigate and find what one wants.

2. Ensure that web-pages don't disappear without any warning, and that 
some links don't lead to dead ends.

3. Start marketing LiveCode as if they mean it: get it onto CDs attached 
to mags, get it onto TV shows, radio shows, Windows fan websites,
Mac fan websites, Linux fan websites.

4. Get stuff out to ministries of education all across Europe and the 
Americas, Australasia, and, why not? the rest of the world.

5. Set up some sort of certification for training courses so people 
teaching the language don't just give their students pretty certificates
that have no external validity.

6. Stuff the website with nearly every single example of commercial 
software produced using LiveCode so website readers can see
just exactly how wide a range of stuff can be produced using LiveCode.

7. Have special sections of the website where people can see stuff 
produced for iOS and Android with LiveCode; possibly with embedded movies
so they can see them in action.

8. Mirror its services so that a DDoS attack wouldn't have much of an 
effect at all as a backup mirror would kick into place.

9. Listen to the large number of "grumps" that have appeared with 
increasing frequency, demonstrate that listening is going on,
and respond within as rapid time-frame as possible to those grumps.

10. End of the week, and I am tired, as I'm sure almost everybody else 
is; but I am sure the list could get longer and some folk might like to
help lengthen it.

>
>
> > I don't know what is going on
>
> No argument here.  ;)
>
>
> > . . . blame DDoS attacks if you want
>
> Seems a reasonable thing do to when faced with a DDoS attack.

However, many websites that do suffer DDoS attacks seem to get things up 
and running again remarkably quickly . . .

The thing that is a real pity is that Runtime Revolution LiveCode has 
got "it", the magical thingy that makes for a programming environment which,
while allowing "babies" to start producing functional stuff very quickly 
indeed [I have seen that these last few weeks], also has unbelievable
high-level capabilities, and yet it is floating around like some fort of 
flounder at the bottom of the sea when it should be like a shark or a
barracuda up "there" ripping sh*t out of all the other programming 
languages. It isn't, and I think if we are all honest we have a fairly 
good idea why.

Kevin and his team are brilliant programmers, but their public face is 
just not up to scratch.

I may sing like Caruso, but because my face is like a pig's bottom I am 
just not going to get engagements at La Scala and so on.

Richmond.





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 16:06:39 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:06:39 +0000
Subject: Using sudo in shell
In-Reply-To: <CACW8NbBnxW19KLcpdB7cgoLZ=NEirnXbrZ1Fs-CAgAzCzk0Aeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW8NbBnxW19KLcpdB7cgoLZ=NEirnXbrZ1Fs-CAgAzCzk0Aeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D21230D6-7E05-44B3-A8B8-B1BC4F5B680E@iotecdigital.com>

Not without passing the current administrator password in cleartext. I have done this before by simply creating a multiline shell script in a variable. It will act as though a user was typing in each line and hitting return. Sudo only needs to be authenticated once per terminal session, so take care that you don?t put the password after every sudo command. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2015, at 10:35 , Glen Bojsza <gbojsza at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if there is a way to do a shell that has sudo in it?
> 
> On the first attempt (Note dart is an internal application)
> 
> put shell ("sudo dart")
> 
> I get the following error message
> 
> sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
> 
> Is there any way to run sudo from the shell?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Glen
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From david at viral.academy  Fri Jul 10 16:10:29 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:10:29 +0100
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <3555261F-8769-4554-B3DE-6DA214020C27@all-auctions.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMQ96khdab862VF5zYxxCphsC2U99StEON946H8bbb-WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB2ABE63-1DD7-45BA-9ECF-4211C3EC1D0F@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioPnD-hO7y8eD_M-+q+2=_hTmJW6yBYFq=vZ6KJANS1ZHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<3555261F-8769-4554-B3DE-6DA214020C27@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioMV_-MC2ZRa=EghtS93SLijku9jFifgbyQ=PDasO5P1qA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes - I did. And wiped it remotely which was oddly satisfying.

On 10 July 2015 at 19:38, Rick Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Did you try using  - Locate my iPhone in time and contact the authorities
> with the location?
>
> I would just like to see you have a better outcome than giving the thieves
> a clear win.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rick
>
> > On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:09 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks - arrived home safely. Less one uninsured iPhone. Thinking of
> > getting myself an Android - any recommendations for Livecode use?
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 10 16:23:12 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:23:12 -0500
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <01f801d0bb49$98ba0940$ca2e1bc0$@consensustech.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>	<CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>
	<01f801d0bb49$98ba0940$ca2e1bc0$@consensustech.com>
Message-ID: <55A029B0.6020107@hyperactivesw.com>

Thanks very much for the explanation, it was a puzzle. I know someone 
else who got signed up to lists that way, it was a horror. Took him 
weeks to get it all straightened out. What a mess.

I'm really sorry it happened to you.

On 7/10/2015 2:49 PM, Jim MacConnell wrote:
> That was my fault. Someone used my email to sign up for mailing lists,
> sites, etc. I got emails asking for email verification or just informing me
> that "I" had joined roughly 4,000 lists in a couple of hours and it was
> continuing. Used an email rule to respond with a "Not Me" notice and delete
> the emails BUT I inadvertently applied the rule to existing emails instead
> of only new ones coming in. that means even lists I want to be on got
> notices... Dman.
> Sorry for the noise.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Haworth [mailto:pete at lcsql.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:07 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Unusual list spam - caution
>
> I got the same type of emails delivered to my personal email address, both
> from Jim McConnell. Sure sounds like the mailing membership has been hacked
> somehow.  Could this part of the ddos attacks on the forum that have been
> mentioned recently?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:22 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what this means but it probably deserves a heads-up. I
>> received three emails today that appeared to be replies to the three
>> list posts I made yesterday. They were all from the same person, whose
>> name I do not recognize. The entire text of the message was:
>>
>>       This registration used a hijacked email address!
>>
>> followed by a quoted copy of my post. There was no other text.
>>
>> When I first saw these on my Android tablet they each included an
>> enclosure of different lengths. That was the tip-off to check the
>> headers, since this list does not allow enclosures. The headers of a
>> real list mail include "on-rev.com", these had no mention of the
>> on-rev domain. They all came from a private user domain via Quest.
>>
>> I then retrieved the email on my Mac and there are no enclosures
>> listed for any of the three. I'm not sure where they went, I didn't open
> them.
>> They may have been copies of the quoted posts but I'm not sure.
>>
>> At any rate, something odd is going on so keep an eye out.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Jul 10 16:29:37 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:29:37 +0000
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <01f801d0bb49$98ba0940$ca2e1bc0$@consensustech.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>
	<01f801d0bb49$98ba0940$ca2e1bc0$@consensustech.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO433BxLKAPLX=dUsN=pnLgYkJVhFTWd0+FOMpgGYcOnA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for letting us know Jim.  I was frightened to reply for all the
usual hacker reasons.  I'll take you off my spam list now!

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:50 PM Jim MacConnell <jmac at consensustech.com>
wrote:

> That was my fault. Someone used my email to sign up for mailing lists,
> sites, etc. I got emails asking for email verification or just informing me
> that "I" had joined roughly 4,000 lists in a couple of hours and it was
> continuing. Used an email rule to respond with a "Not Me" notice and delete
> the emails BUT I inadvertently applied the rule to existing emails instead
> of only new ones coming in. that means even lists I want to be on got
> notices... Dman.
> Sorry for the noise.
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Haworth [mailto:pete at lcsql.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:07 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Unusual list spam - caution
>
> I got the same type of emails delivered to my personal email address, both
> from Jim McConnell. Sure sounds like the mailing membership has been hacked
> somehow.  Could this part of the ddos attacks on the forum that have been
> mentioned recently?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:22 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what this means but it probably deserves a heads-up. I
> > received three emails today that appeared to be replies to the three
> > list posts I made yesterday. They were all from the same person, whose
> > name I do not recognize. The entire text of the message was:
> >
> >      This registration used a hijacked email address!
> >
> > followed by a quoted copy of my post. There was no other text.
> >
> > When I first saw these on my Android tablet they each included an
> > enclosure of different lengths. That was the tip-off to check the
> > headers, since this list does not allow enclosures. The headers of a
> > real list mail include "on-rev.com", these had no mention of the
> > on-rev domain. They all came from a private user domain via Quest.
> >
> > I then retrieved the email on my Mac and there are no enclosures
> > listed for any of the three. I'm not sure where they went, I didn't open
> them.
> > They may have been copies of the quoted posts but I'm not sure.
> >
> > At any rate, something odd is going on so keep an eye out.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Jul 10 16:32:35 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:32:35 +0000
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioMV_-MC2ZRa=EghtS93SLijku9jFifgbyQ=PDasO5P1qA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMQ96khdab862VF5zYxxCphsC2U99StEON946H8bbb-WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB2ABE63-1DD7-45BA-9ECF-4211C3EC1D0F@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioPnD-hO7y8eD_M-+q+2=_hTmJW6yBYFq=vZ6KJANS1ZHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<3555261F-8769-4554-B3DE-6DA214020C27@all-auctions.com>
	<CAGASioMV_-MC2ZRa=EghtS93SLijku9jFifgbyQ=PDasO5P1qA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN0iH5PG+p9whogmeioStxLSjeD3qQCawpncFHDY4=bEw@mail.gmail.com>

My wife had her passport stolen by a pickpocket on the Rome metro earlier
this year.  Fortunately, we were on our way to Naples and there is a
consulate there.  We had no idea what would be involved in getting a new
passport but it turned out to be an easy process and she got a temporary
passport within a couple of hours.

We are always very careful about keeping our valuables safe but the
pickpockets over there are very adept!


On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 1:10 PM David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> Yes - I did. And wiped it remotely which was oddly satisfying.
>
> On 10 July 2015 at 19:38, Rick Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Did you try using  - Locate my iPhone in time and contact the authorities
> > with the location?
> >
> > I would just like to see you have a better outcome than giving the
> thieves
> > a clear win.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > > On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:09 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks - arrived home safely. Less one uninsured iPhone. Thinking of
> > > getting myself an Android - any recommendations for Livecode use?
> >
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> > subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 16:53:03 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:53:03 +0000
Subject: can't select text of field with traversalOn and lockText set to
	true
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHCHJ-9HZFYxgXKQ+s-4uhc1hngeNKMLkdizp6YV6-tMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHCHJ-9HZFYxgXKQ+s-4uhc1hngeNKMLkdizp6YV6-tMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C4E73E0-2095-488C-A2C2-0296EA32920E@iotecdigital.com>

My experience is that cut and paste will not work with traversalOn set to false. Personally I would like it much better if you could. Almost everywhere in applications you can select text, you can at least copy it. 

Bob S


> On Jul 9, 2015, at 10:27 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> According to the dictionary,
> 
> If a field's traversalOn and lockText properties are both set to true, the
> user can select text, but not change it, and can scroll within the field
> using the keyboard.
> 
> However, I have a pair of fields with these set to true where I can't
> select the text .  Could this be related to opening the stack as modal?
> (it's an error dialog, and I want to be a able to cut & paste!)
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 17:04:16 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:04:16 +0000
Subject: Autofill a web page
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOd7FB6pWPvuvRWMKA1vqYxauq3GZK5vgXe8HMyFvWrmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B46C43C-66BC-4DE5-A1BF-ED67CFAB89EB@iotecdigital.com>

I have an app that auto fills PDF fillable forms. Uses mySQL or sqLite on the back end. Web forms, not so much. I?ve often wondered if it were possible to analyze a web page for field controls, then fill in the values and reload the page with the new html. The problem is, most web forms these days are java based and the underlying controls are (necessarily) not exposed. 

You may want to examine the HTML behind the web form to see if it is a ?classic? style web form and proceed accordingly. Send me a link and I can have a look. 

Bob S


> On Jul 9, 2015, at 10:01 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> I am currently filling out a form several times a day to report aircraft
> noise incidents.  The form requires me to complete a number of fields that
> end up with the same value every time with others that are specific to each
> instance of the form.
> 
> 
> Would it be possible for me to write a Livecode app that would prefill
> certain fields with default values from preferences so all I have to do is
> fill the other fields manually?
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 17:11:31 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:11:31 +0000
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eN0iH5PG+p9whogmeioStxLSjeD3qQCawpncFHDY4=bEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMQ96khdab862VF5zYxxCphsC2U99StEON946H8bbb-WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB2ABE63-1DD7-45BA-9ECF-4211C3EC1D0F@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioPnD-hO7y8eD_M-+q+2=_hTmJW6yBYFq=vZ6KJANS1ZHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<3555261F-8769-4554-B3DE-6DA214020C27@all-auctions.com>
	<CAGASioMV_-MC2ZRa=EghtS93SLijku9jFifgbyQ=PDasO5P1qA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eN0iH5PG+p9whogmeioStxLSjeD3qQCawpncFHDY4=bEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35527783-6716-4EFB-9911-C118FEC6F758@iotecdigital.com>

They will need their agility in the lowest depths of hell where they are all heading. 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2015, at 13:32 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> My wife had her passport stolen by a pickpocket on the Rome metro earlier
> this year.  Fortunately, we were on our way to Naples and there is a
> consulate there.  We had no idea what would be involved in getting a new
> passport but it turned out to be an easy process and she got a temporary
> passport within a couple of hours.
> 
> We are always very careful about keeping our valuables safe but the
> pickpockets over there are very adept!
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 1:10 PM David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
>> Yes - I did. And wiped it remotely which was oddly satisfying.
>> 
>> On 10 July 2015 at 19:38, Rick Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Did you try using  - Locate my iPhone in time and contact the authorities
>>> with the location?
>>> 
>>> I would just like to see you have a better outcome than giving the
>> thieves
>>> a clear win.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:09 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks - arrived home safely. Less one uninsured iPhone. Thinking of
>>>> getting myself an Android - any recommendations for Livecode use?
>>> 
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>>> subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 17:16:49 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:16:49 +0000
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <55A029B0.6020107@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>
	<01f801d0bb49$98ba0940$ca2e1bc0$@consensustech.com>
	<55A029B0.6020107@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F8CA23A1-B6FB-4A22-AA92-612E7E656C20@iotecdigital.com>

There was a crazy kid (over 18 but still living with his mother) and I mean crazy, who decided he would harass our pastor. He kept finding out any new email we set up for him, then signing him up for every list in existence. Lists are supposed to provide a verification and unsubscribe mechanism, but how do you police such things? It was so bad he had 5 different elders in his sights at one time. We tried reporting him to the authorities, but the FBI says he has to do more than 5,000 in damage before they will even look at the case, and they only look into something like 3% of the worst ones. Eventually it stopped. I think he pissed off the wrong crowd. 

Bob S


> On Jul 10, 2015, at 13:23 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks very much for the explanation, it was a puzzle. I know someone else who got signed up to lists that way, it was a horror. Took him weeks to get it all straightened out. What a mess.
> 
> I'm really sorry it happened to you.
> 
> On 7/10/2015 2:49 PM, Jim MacConnell wrote:
>> That was my fault. Someone used my email to sign up for mailing lists,
>> sites, etc. I got emails asking for email verification or just informing me
>> that "I" had joined roughly 4,000 lists in a couple of hours and it was
>> continuing. Used an email rule to respond with a "Not Me" notice and delete
>> the emails BUT I inadvertently applied the rule to existing emails instead
>> of only new ones coming in. that means even lists I want to be on got
>> notices... Dman.
>> Sorry for the noise.
>> Jim
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Haworth [mailto:pete at lcsql.com]
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 12:07 PM
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Subject: Re: Unusual list spam - caution
>> 
>> I got the same type of emails delivered to my personal email address, both
>> from Jim McConnell. Sure sounds like the mailing membership has been hacked
>> somehow.  Could this part of the ddos attacks on the forum that have been
>> mentioned recently?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:22 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not sure what this means but it probably deserves a heads-up. I
>>> received three emails today that appeared to be replies to the three
>>> list posts I made yesterday. They were all from the same person, whose
>>> name I do not recognize. The entire text of the message was:
>>> 
>>>      This registration used a hijacked email address!
>>> 
>>> followed by a quoted copy of my post. There was no other text.
>>> 
>>> When I first saw these on my Android tablet they each included an
>>> enclosure of different lengths. That was the tip-off to check the
>>> headers, since this list does not allow enclosures. The headers of a
>>> real list mail include "on-rev.com", these had no mention of the
>>> on-rev domain. They all came from a private user domain via Quest.
>>> 
>>> I then retrieved the email on my Mac and there are no enclosures
>>> listed for any of the three. I'm not sure where they went, I didn't open
>> them.
>>> They may have been copies of the quoted posts but I'm not sure.
>>> 
>>> At any rate, something odd is going on so keep an eye out.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 17:17:59 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:17:59 +0000
Subject: Diesel is down
In-Reply-To: <55A016FA.4060205@fourthworld.com>
References: <55A00EA7.10107@gmail.com> <55A016FA.4060205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C42C5324-E377-42F8-A6E4-BDC5A8BCB57F@iotecdigital.com>

Stop it. I can?t grin any harder! ;-)))

Bob S


On Jul 10, 2015, at 12:03 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

> (if they are doing anything beyond sitting in Edinburgh and
> dithering in the hope that things will just go away)

Of course not, as I've written before.  But since your strong opinions on this certainly aren't merely random bad manners, could you kindly share with us the benefit of your experience and let us know what you'd recommend they do?


> I don't know what is going on

No argument here.  ;)


> . . . blame DDoS attacks if you want

Seems a reasonable thing do to when faced with a DDoS attack.

--
Richard Gaskin


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 17:25:14 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:25:14 +0000
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
In-Reply-To: <618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <124FBF7B-9276-405D-858A-E60ECABD55A9@iotecdigital.com>

I go one better. I label all my fields ?fold? and the name of the database table column I want to associate with it. I then have 2 commands: Populate and Extract. Populate will take the array passed to it and fill all the fields on the card with the matching data from the array. Extract, as you can imagine, will do the opposite. I have it working for virtually all kinds of fields and buttons. I can even pass an sqlYoga record array (which cannot be modified directly without screwing up the record object) and it will properly update those as well. 

Bob S


> On Jul 8, 2015, at 03:27 , Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Hugh
> 
> I?m trying to find the best way to clear all the fields in which data can be entered on a card. At the moment I use this code:
> 
> repeat with y = 1 to the number of fields of this card
>    if not the lockText of Field y then
>      put empty into Field y
>    end if
>  end repeat
> 
> It works for my simple program but using a customProperty would be safer.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
>> On 8 Jul 2015, at 18:09, FlexibleLearning.com <admin at FlexibleLearning.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter
>> 
>> As you will have gathered, there is no "label" property as such, simply a
>> field with pre-defined attributes including lockText. It depends what you
>> are trying to do and why you need to identify them, but if you need to
>> regularly test the easiest way may be to manually specify a customProperty
>> for each label field so that...
>> 
>> If the cLabelStyle of the target = true then [etc]
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Hugh Senior
>> FLCo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> At the moment I?m checking the lockText property to distinguish a Label
>>> Field. Is there a better or more reliable way?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Peter
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 10 19:08:26 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:08:26 +0000
Subject: Best way to check if a Field is a label?
In-Reply-To: <124FBF7B-9276-405D-858A-E60ECABD55A9@iotecdigital.com>
References: <004101d0b966$37d87600$a7896200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<618F3586-2FF5-4401-A0BE-DAC6D1B61514@gmail.com>
	<124FBF7B-9276-405D-858A-E60ECABD55A9@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <10BF5D8B-DB90-4188-805D-9AC632F12D55@iotecdigital.com>

HAH! Fold. Seriously. I hate auto correct. It?s ?fld?.

Bob S


On Jul 10, 2015, at 14:25 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

I label all my fields ?fold? and the name of the database table column I want to associate with it.


From simon at asato-media.com  Fri Jul 10 20:21:04 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
Message-ID: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi,
I had thought it was 50 GB but my ftp is telling me it's full at 24.2055 GB.

Thanks,
Simon



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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 20:57:16 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:57:16 -0600
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>

I just looked up the promotional email I got from way back when and it says
this:


   - Get quality hosting
   <http://www.on-rev.com/hosting/features-chart/?id=G0042P03853>, 100GB
   storage, 500GB bandwidth/month with a range of top end hosting features.


On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Simon <simon at asato-media.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I had thought it was 50 GB but my ftp is telling me it's full at 24.2055
> GB.
>
> Thanks,
> Simon
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 20:59:17 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:59:17 -0600
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSr1B2pV+6BhjgnS1_sqtQu5xzTDiuVrZW9xp_UcDpUgqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm yep, and it shows my cap at 50, so a) its not the 100 promised by the
deal, and if you're getting less than 50, thats even worse.



On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just looked up the promotional email I got from way back when and it
> says this:
>
>
>    - Get quality hosting
>    <http://www.on-rev.com/hosting/features-chart/?id=G0042P03853>, 100GB
>    storage, 500GB bandwidth/month with a range of top end hosting features.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Simon <simon at asato-media.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I had thought it was 50 GB but my ftp is telling me it's full at 24.2055
>> GB.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Simon
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Has-the-founders-on-rev-package-been-reduced-to-25-GB-tp4693856.html
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From simon at asato-media.com  Fri Jul 10 20:43:47 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSr1B2pV+6BhjgnS1_sqtQu5xzTDiuVrZW9xp_UcDpUgqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSr1B2pV+6BhjgnS1_sqtQu5xzTDiuVrZW9xp_UcDpUgqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1436575427164-4693859.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks Mike,
And there I was blaming owncloud for deleting a bunch of my local files
grrr...  I stopped using owncloud and switched to upload only syncing, but
if was just a sudden reduction in available disk space that would explain
it.

Do you think this is Urgent enough to wake up David?

Simon




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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 21:19:48 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:19:48 -0600
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1436575427164-4693859.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSr1B2pV+6BhjgnS1_sqtQu5xzTDiuVrZW9xp_UcDpUgqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1436575427164-4693859.post@n4.nabble.com>
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A sudden reduction, nuking files would be rather upsetting.  I suspect
you're right about the reason.  Yeah, you might pop a message towards
Scottland.  And if you would, you might mention that founders are supposed
to have 100g. Not 50.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Simon <simon at asato-media.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mike,
> And there I was blaming owncloud for deleting a bunch of my local files
> grrr...  I stopped using owncloud and switched to upload only syncing, but
> if was just a sudden reduction in available disk space that would explain
> it.
>
> Do you think this is Urgent enough to wake up David?
>
> Simon
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Has-the-founders-on-rev-package-been-reduced-to-25-GB-tp4693856p4693859.html
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Fri Jul 10 21:26:51 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:26:51 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSr1B2pV+6BhjgnS1_sqtQu5xzTDiuVrZW9xp_UcDpUgqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSr1B2pV+6BhjgnS1_sqtQu5xzTDiuVrZW9xp_UcDpUgqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <427A2A78-3E3A-4339-8C1B-373787C8D8A8@pacifier.com>

If they are screwing the on-rev founders which I am a
on-rev founder, then when you lock in the low price of
the Indie License forever

you should expect to be screwed in the near future.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm yep, and it shows my cap at 50, so a) its not the 100 promised by the
> deal, and if you're getting less than 50, thats even worse.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 6:57 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I just looked up the promotional email I got from way back when and it
>> says this:
>> 
>> 
>>   - Get quality hosting
>>   <http://www.on-rev.com/hosting/features-chart/?id=G0042P03853>, 100GB
>>   storage, 500GB bandwidth/month with a range of top end hosting features.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Simon <simon at asato-media.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I had thought it was 50 GB but my ftp is telling me it's full at 24.2055
>>> GB.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Simon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Has-the-founders-on-rev-package-been-reduced-to-25-GB-tp4693856.html
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From bruceap at comcast.net  Fri Jul 10 21:26:27 2015
From: bruceap at comcast.net (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:26:27 -0400
Subject: Livecode and "Extended Validation" SSL certificates
In-Reply-To: <35527783-6716-4EFB-9911-C118FEC6F758@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMQ96khdab862VF5zYxxCphsC2U99StEON946H8bbb-WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB2ABE63-1DD7-45BA-9ECF-4211C3EC1D0F@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioPnD-hO7y8eD_M-+q+2=_hTmJW6yBYFq=vZ6KJANS1ZHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<3555261F-8769-4554-B3DE-6DA214020C27@all-auctions.com>
	<CAGASioMV_-MC2ZRa=EghtS93SLijku9jFifgbyQ=PDasO5P1qA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eN0iH5PG+p9whogmeioStxLSjeD3qQCawpncFHDY4=bEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<35527783-6716-4EFB-9911-C118FEC6F758@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <6818BE63-A66C-4686-B40A-C5465637D73D@comcast.net>

I market a desktop app for Mac and Windows that uses https queries to obtain information from the European Patent Office?s ?Open Patent Services? system. Those queries are generally to obtain information about European patents. The EPO likes to have regular users of the OPS system register with them, and doing so gets you 2.5 Gb/week of free bandwidth. My app uses the registration credentials that the EPO provides a user to obtain an access token that it then sends with each query. The access token is good for about 20 minutes, after which the app requests a new one. Follow me so far?

Recently, the app's requests for the access token kept resulting in an error message. I tried a lot of differnt work-arounds. Nothing helped.

I finally posted my problem to an EPO forum for OPS users, and included the error message which at the time made no sense to me. From the response I received from OPS support, they had recently changed from conventional SSL certificates to new ?Extended Validation? SSL certificates. Could there be something about the Livecode implementation of https that is not compatible with these EV certificates? Does that make sense? Here is the error message:
---
error -Error with certificate at depth: 1 issuer = /OU=GlobalSign Root CA - R2/O=GlobalSign/CN=GlobalSign subject = /C=BE/O=GlobalSign nv-sa/CN=GlobalSign Extended Validation CA - SHA256 - G2 err 7:certificate signature failure
?
Once I knew this to be related to SSL, I added "libURLSetSSLVerification false? to the scripts. No more errors and the app receives the access token without any problem. However, I felt it might be useful to put this issue in front of this knowledgeable group as both a warning and as a seed for discusion. Why did Livecode work fine with the old SSL certificates, but does not with the EV certificates?

Regards,

Bruce Pokras



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul 10 21:29:09 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:29:09 -0400
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>

I'm a founder and cPanel has me at:

Disk Space Usage	xxxxx GB / 97.66 GB
Monthly Bandwidth Transfer	xxxxxGB / 488.28 GB

My guess is that with all the server shuffling you got reduced by mistake.
If your banging up against the limit wakeup David if not send a support
request.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Bonner
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 8:57 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?

I just looked up the promotional email I got from way back when and it says
this:


   - Get quality hosting
   <http://www.on-rev.com/hosting/features-chart/?id=G0042P03853>, 100GB
   storage, 500GB bandwidth/month with a range of top end hosting features.


On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Simon <simon at asato-media.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I had thought it was 50 GB but my ftp is telling me it's full at 
> 24.2055 GB.
>
> Thanks,
> Simon
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Has-the-founders-on-rev
> -package-been-reduced-to-25-GB-tp4693856.html
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From simon at asato-media.com  Fri Jul 10 21:15:33 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:15:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
Message-ID: <1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>

Ralph DiMola wrote
> I'm a founder and cPanel has me at:
> 
> Disk Space Usage	xxxxx GB / 97.66 GB
> Monthly Bandwidth Transfer	xxxxxGB / 488.28 GB

Wow 97? 
Mine is showing me
Disk Space Usage	552.96 KB / 48.83 GB
Monthly Bandwidth Transfer	5.52 GB / 488.28 GB
But because of that 552.96 I never believed that cPanel home page was
reliable.  I used the Disk Space Usage thingy and that showed me the 24 GB

Simon



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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 22:20:21 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:20:21 -0600
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure its an accident too.  For me, not critical, I'm not using much
space, but it would be nice to know it was there like its supposed to be.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Simon <simon at asato-media.com> wrote:

> Ralph DiMola wrote
> > I'm a founder and cPanel has me at:
> >
> > Disk Space Usage      xxxxx GB / 97.66 GB
> > Monthly Bandwidth Transfer    xxxxxGB / 488.28 GB
>
> Wow 97?
> Mine is showing me
> Disk Space Usage        552.96 KB / 48.83 GB
> Monthly Bandwidth Transfer      5.52 GB / 488.28 GB
> But because of that 552.96 I never believed that cPanel home page was
> reliable.  I used the Disk Space Usage thingy and that showed me the 24 GB
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Has-the-founders-on-rev-package-been-reduced-to-25-GB-tp4693856p4693864.html
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Fri Jul 10 22:30:21 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:30:21 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>

I am not using any space but I have no reason to
trust the Indie License forever price if forever has
a limited meaning to the LiveCode Team.  Even so
I was more interestested in the Business License
so they do not need to worry about it.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 10, 2015, at 7:20 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm sure its an accident too.  For me, not critical, I'm not using much
> space, but it would be nice to know it was there like its supposed to be.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Simon <simon at asato-media.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ralph DiMola wrote
>>> I'm a founder and cPanel has me at:
>>> 
>>> Disk Space Usage      xxxxx GB / 97.66 GB
>>> Monthly Bandwidth Transfer    xxxxxGB / 488.28 GB
>> 
>> Wow 97?
>> Mine is showing me
>> Disk Space Usage        552.96 KB / 48.83 GB
>> Monthly Bandwidth Transfer      5.52 GB / 488.28 GB
>> But because of that 552.96 I never believed that cPanel home page was
>> reliable.  I used the Disk Space Usage thingy and that showed me the 24 GB
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Has-the-founders-on-rev-package-been-reduced-to-25-GB-tp4693856p4693864.html
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 10 22:32:11 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:32:11 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55A0802B.4000203@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/10/2015 06:15 PM, Simon wrote:

> Wow 97?
> Mine is showing me
> Disk Space Usage	552.96 KB / 48.83 GB
> Monthly Bandwidth Transfer	5.52 GB / 488.28 GB
> But because of that 552.96 I never believed that cPanel home page was
> reliable.  I used the Disk Space Usage thingy and that showed me the 24 GB

OK - that made me look.
I'm showing Disk Space Usage   250.27MB / 48.83 GB
and a good half of my usage is in the .spamassassin folder

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 10 23:21:54 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:21:54 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
References: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <55A08BD2.3080107@fourthworld.com>

JB wrote:

 > I am not using any space but I have no reason to
 > trust the Indie License forever price if forever has
 > a limited meaning to the LiveCode Team.

Using "if" like that is really cool, as it allows us to say things 
without being accountable to them.  Let me try:  "If JB eats kittens, 
surely we have no reason to trust him with any pets." Yep, good fun.

Did you actually get a notice from the LiveCode team in which they've 
attempted to unilaterally alter some contractual agreement with you, or 
are you just making stuff up?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
  ____________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com





From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Jul 11 01:09:35 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:09:35 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <55A08BD2.3080107@fourthworld.com>
References: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<55A08BD2.3080107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>

No Richard,  it means if I eat kittens I like
to eat pissy.

I ddi not start this conversation about the
size limits being changed.  I stated that I
am a on-rev founder and that I am not at
this time using any of the space allocated
to me.  I did not check the space so I said
IF they changed the space and made it lower
then I personally have no reason to believe
the Indie license with its forever price will be
forever.  Yes I received that from LIveCode
and any lifetime agreements that are not to
be honored for your lifetime make me think
a Forever agreement will not last either.

I said IF because I do not know for sure and I
gave them a small benefit of the doubt.  But it
sounded to me like the space was lowered and
if I remember correctly they talked about doing
that in the past so it made me think they actually
did lower it but I do not know so it remains IF.

I see you failed to provide evidence to prove it
one way off another and yet attacked me for
saying IF they lowered the space.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> JB wrote:
> 
> > I am not using any space but I have no reason to
> > trust the Indie License forever price if forever has
> > a limited meaning to the LiveCode Team.
> 
> Using "if" like that is really cool, as it allows us to say things without being accountable to them.  Let me try:  "If JB eats kittens, surely we have no reason to trust him with any pets." Yep, good fun.
> 
> Did you actually get a notice from the LiveCode team in which they've attempted to unilaterally alter some contractual agreement with you, or are you just making stuff up?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
> ____________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 




From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat Jul 11 01:43:54 2015
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:43:54 -0700
Subject: [fan boy] Re: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>
References: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<55A08BD2.3080107@fourthworld.com>
	<F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <0595E834-6FFD-4CB0-9633-4AB21A769FC5@elementarysoftware.com>

If I had paid ahead for an enterprise license many years into the future and then the company went open source and licensing schemes changed and different products became available and I still continued to get a commercial license for everything, then I would tend to trust the Indy offer. And hey, that?s exactly what has happened!  And my On-Rev Founders account shows me allocated 97.66 GB.

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
office     1-800-615-0867
------------------------------------------------------

> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:09 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
> 
> No Richard,  it means if I eat kittens I like
> to eat pissy.
> 
> I ddi not start this conversation about the
> size limits being changed.  I stated that I
> am a on-rev founder and that I am not at
> this time using any of the space allocated
> to me.  I did not check the space so I said
> IF they changed the space and made it lower
> then I personally have no reason to believe
> the Indie license with its forever price will be
> forever.  Yes I received that from LIveCode
> and any lifetime agreements that are not to
> be honored for your lifetime make me think
> a Forever agreement will not last either.
> 
> I said IF because I do not know for sure and I
> gave them a small benefit of the doubt.  But it
> sounded to me like the space was lowered and
> if I remember correctly they talked about doing
> that in the past so it made me think they actually
> did lower it but I do not know so it remains IF.
> 
> I see you failed to provide evidence to prove it
> one way off another and yet attacked me for
> saying IF they lowered the space.
> 
> John Balgenorth
> 
> 
> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> JB wrote:
>> 
>>> I am not using any space but I have no reason to
>>> trust the Indie License forever price if forever has
>>> a limited meaning to the LiveCode Team.
>> 
>> Using "if" like that is really cool, as it allows us to say things without being accountable to them.  Let me try:  "If JB eats kittens, surely we have no reason to trust him with any pets." Yep, good fun.
>> 
>> Did you actually get a notice from the LiveCode team in which they've attempted to unilaterally alter some contractual agreement with you, or are you just making stuff up?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode










From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Jul 11 02:10:57 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:10:57 -0700
Subject: [fan boy] Re: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to
	25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <0595E834-6FFD-4CB0-9633-4AB21A769FC5@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<55A08BD2.3080107@fourthworld.com>
	<F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>
	<0595E834-6FFD-4CB0-9633-4AB21A769FC5@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <F756DEC5-69FB-427A-AB5A-B79D89A12B4F@pacifier.com>

They have made a lot of changes.  My Enterprise license
is Forever.

I am glad to hear you have the correct amount of space
and I hope everyone else does too.  I am not using any
of my space.  I also have a large amount of space with my
internet provider that I am not using.  Anytime I want I can
use all the space i need for free.  The Indy offer does not
interest me because I have reason to believe the program
I am going to sell will exceed the Indy limits.  That is why I
said I am more interested in the business license.  I am
developing that program with Revolution so all of my work
falls within my Enterprise license.  Recently there were post
about developing commercial products without a commercial
license.  What ever the rules are I am legally writing my code.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:43 PM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:

> If I had paid ahead for an enterprise license many years into the future and then the company went open source and licensing schemes changed and different products became available and I still continued to get a commercial license for everything, then I would tend to trust the Indy offer. And hey, that?s exactly what has happened!  And my On-Rev Founders account shows me allocated 97.66 GB.
> 
> Scott Morrow
> 
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> office     1-800-615-0867
> ------------------------------------------------------
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:09 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> No Richard,  it means if I eat kittens I like
>> to eat pissy.
>> 
>> I ddi not start this conversation about the
>> size limits being changed.  I stated that I
>> am a on-rev founder and that I am not at
>> this time using any of the space allocated
>> to me.  I did not check the space so I said
>> IF they changed the space and made it lower
>> then I personally have no reason to believe
>> the Indie license with its forever price will be
>> forever.  Yes I received that from LIveCode
>> and any lifetime agreements that are not to
>> be honored for your lifetime make me think
>> a Forever agreement will not last either.
>> 
>> I said IF because I do not know for sure and I
>> gave them a small benefit of the doubt.  But it
>> sounded to me like the space was lowered and
>> if I remember correctly they talked about doing
>> that in the past so it made me think they actually
>> did lower it but I do not know so it remains IF.
>> 
>> I see you failed to provide evidence to prove it
>> one way off another and yet attacked me for
>> saying IF they lowered the space.
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> JB wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I am not using any space but I have no reason to
>>>> trust the Indie License forever price if forever has
>>>> a limited meaning to the LiveCode Team.
>>> 
>>> Using "if" like that is really cool, as it allows us to say things without being accountable to them.  Let me try:  "If JB eats kittens, surely we have no reason to trust him with any pets." Yep, good fun.
>>> 
>>> Did you actually get a notice from the LiveCode team in which they've attempted to unilaterally alter some contractual agreement with you, or are you just making stuff up?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Systems
>>> Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat Jul 11 02:35:15 2015
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:35:15 -0700
Subject: [fan boy] Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <F756DEC5-69FB-427A-AB5A-B79D89A12B4F@pacifier.com>
References: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<55A08BD2.3080107@fourthworld.com>
	<F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>
	<0595E834-6FFD-4CB0-9633-4AB21A769FC5@elementarysoftware.com>
	<F756DEC5-69FB-427A-AB5A-B79D89A12B4F@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <1067696A-E4DA-40C9-9C9D-2FFF66EAB755@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello John,
Just out of curiosity, if you have a ?Forever" Enterprise license then are you interested in the Indy license for other members of a team?
--
Scott Morrow

> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:10 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
> 
> They have made a lot of changes.  My Enterprise license
> is Forever.
> 
> I am glad to hear you have the correct amount of space
> and I hope everyone else does too.  I am not using any
> of my space.  I also have a large amount of space with my
> internet provider that I am not using.  Anytime I want I can
> use all the space i need for free.  The Indy offer does not
> interest me because I have reason to believe the program
> I am going to sell will exceed the Indy limits.  That is why I
> said I am more interested in the business license.  I am
> developing that program with Revolution so all of my work
> falls within my Enterprise license.  Recently there were post
> about developing commercial products without a commercial
> license.  What ever the rules are I am legally writing my code.
> 
> John Balgenorth
> 
> 
> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:43 PM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:
> 
>> If I had paid ahead for an enterprise license many years into the future and then the company went open source and licensing schemes changed and different products became available and I still continued to get a commercial license for everything, then I would tend to trust the Indy offer. And hey, that?s exactly what has happened!  And my On-Rev Founders account shows me allocated 97.66 GB.
>> 
>> Scott Morrow
>> 
>> Elementary Software
>> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
>> web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
>> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
>> office     1-800-615-0867
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:09 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No Richard,  it means if I eat kittens I like
>>> to eat pissy.
>>> 
>>> I ddi not start this conversation about the
>>> size limits being changed.  I stated that I
>>> am a on-rev founder and that I am not at
>>> this time using any of the space allocated
>>> to me.  I did not check the space so I said
>>> IF they changed the space and made it lower
>>> then I personally have no reason to believe
>>> the Indie license with its forever price will be
>>> forever.  Yes I received that from LIveCode
>>> and any lifetime agreements that are not to
>>> be honored for your lifetime make me think
>>> a Forever agreement will not last either.
>>> 
>>> I said IF because I do not know for sure and I
>>> gave them a small benefit of the doubt.  But it
>>> sounded to me like the space was lowered and
>>> if I remember correctly they talked about doing
>>> that in the past so it made me think they actually
>>> did lower it but I do not know so it remains IF.
>>> 
>>> I see you failed to provide evidence to prove it
>>> one way off another and yet attacked me for
>>> saying IF they lowered the space.
>>> 
>>> John Balgenorth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> JB wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am not using any space but I have no reason to
>>>>> trust the Indie License forever price if forever has
>>>>> a limited meaning to the LiveCode Team.
>>>> 
>>>> Using "if" like that is really cool, as it allows us to say things without being accountable to them.  Let me try:  "If JB eats kittens, surely we have no reason to trust him with any pets." Yep, good fun.
>>>> 
>>>> Did you actually get a notice from the LiveCode team in which they've attempted to unilaterally alter some contractual agreement with you, or are you just making stuff up?
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Richard Gaskin
>>>> Fourth World Systems
>>>> Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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> 
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Jul 11 02:49:45 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:49:45 -0700
Subject: [fan boy] Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1067696A-E4DA-40C9-9C9D-2FFF66EAB755@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<55A08BD2.3080107@fourthworld.com>
	<F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>
	<0595E834-6FFD-4CB0-9633-4AB21A769FC5@elementarysoftware.com>
	<F756DEC5-69FB-427A-AB5A-B79D89A12B4F@pacifier.com>
	<1067696A-E4DA-40C9-9C9D-2FFF66EAB755@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <419C7652-C0AF-4F15-A59F-DC60879F2C7A@pacifier.com>

I am the team!  The program is
80 to 90 percent done and do
not need anyone else at this
point.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:35 PM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:

> Hello John,
> Just out of curiosity, if you have a ?Forever" Enterprise license then are you interested in the Indy license for other members of a team?
> --
> Scott Morrow
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:10 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> They have made a lot of changes.  My Enterprise license
>> is Forever.
>> 
>> I am glad to hear you have the correct amount of space
>> and I hope everyone else does too.  I am not using any
>> of my space.  I also have a large amount of space with my
>> internet provider that I am not using.  Anytime I want I can
>> use all the space i need for free.  The Indy offer does not
>> interest me because I have reason to believe the program
>> I am going to sell will exceed the Indy limits.  That is why I
>> said I am more interested in the business license.  I am
>> developing that program with Revolution so all of my work
>> falls within my Enterprise license.  Recently there were post
>> about developing commercial products without a commercial
>> license.  What ever the rules are I am legally writing my code.
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:43 PM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> If I had paid ahead for an enterprise license many years into the future and then the company went open source and licensing schemes changed and different products became available and I still continued to get a commercial license for everything, then I would tend to trust the Indy offer. And hey, that?s exactly what has happened!  And my On-Rev Founders account shows me allocated 97.66 GB.
>>> 
>>> Scott Morrow
>>> 
>>> Elementary Software
>>> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
>>> web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
>>> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
>>> office     1-800-615-0867
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:09 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No Richard,  it means if I eat kittens I like
>>>> to eat pissy.
>>>> 
>>>> I ddi not start this conversation about the
>>>> size limits being changed.  I stated that I
>>>> am a on-rev founder and that I am not at
>>>> this time using any of the space allocated
>>>> to me.  I did not check the space so I said
>>>> IF they changed the space and made it lower
>>>> then I personally have no reason to believe
>>>> the Indie license with its forever price will be
>>>> forever.  Yes I received that from LIveCode
>>>> and any lifetime agreements that are not to
>>>> be honored for your lifetime make me think
>>>> a Forever agreement will not last either.
>>>> 
>>>> I said IF because I do not know for sure and I
>>>> gave them a small benefit of the doubt.  But it
>>>> sounded to me like the space was lowered and
>>>> if I remember correctly they talked about doing
>>>> that in the past so it made me think they actually
>>>> did lower it but I do not know so it remains IF.
>>>> 
>>>> I see you failed to provide evidence to prove it
>>>> one way off another and yet attacked me for
>>>> saying IF they lowered the space.
>>>> 
>>>> John Balgenorth
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> JB wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am not using any space but I have no reason to
>>>>>> trust the Indie License forever price if forever has
>>>>>> a limited meaning to the LiveCode Team.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using "if" like that is really cool, as it allows us to say things without being accountable to them.  Let me try:  "If JB eats kittens, surely we have no reason to trust him with any pets." Yep, good fun.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did you actually get a notice from the LiveCode team in which they've attempted to unilaterally alter some contractual agreement with you, or are you just making stuff up?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Richard Gaskin
>>>>> Fourth World Systems
>>>>> Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat Jul 11 03:02:31 2015
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:02:31 -0700
Subject: [fan boy] Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <419C7652-C0AF-4F15-A59F-DC60879F2C7A@pacifier.com>
References: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<55A08BD2.3080107@fourthworld.com>
	<F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>
	<0595E834-6FFD-4CB0-9633-4AB21A769FC5@elementarysoftware.com>
	<F756DEC5-69FB-427A-AB5A-B79D89A12B4F@pacifier.com>
	<1067696A-E4DA-40C9-9C9D-2FFF66EAB755@elementarysoftware.com>
	<419C7652-C0AF-4F15-A59F-DC60879F2C7A@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <54613072-13B8-4D1D-8500-FF27B8D347AC@elementarysoftware.com>

That?s the same boat that most of us are in, I think. One person driving the entire operation. I?m always interested in how a multi-person LiveCode team would operate. Actually, I?m even more interested in how other individuals operate. Most of us work without being able to observe the workflow of our peers (Hence the recent string of posts on "Best way to check if a Field is a label??) Which is really a sort of best practice conversation.

?
Scott Morrow

> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:49 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
> 
> I am the team!  The program is
> 80 to 90 percent done and do
> not need anyone else at this
> point.
> 
> John Balgenorth
> 
> 
> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:35 PM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello John,
>> Just out of curiosity, if you have a ?Forever" Enterprise license then are you interested in the Indy license for other members of a team?
>> --
>> Scott Morrow
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:10 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> They have made a lot of changes.  My Enterprise license
>>> is Forever.
>>> 
>>> I am glad to hear you have the correct amount of space
>>> and I hope everyone else does too.  I am not using any
>>> of my space.  I also have a large amount of space with my
>>> internet provider that I am not using.  Anytime I want I can
>>> use all the space i need for free.  The Indy offer does not
>>> interest me because I have reason to believe the program
>>> I am going to sell will exceed the Indy limits.  That is why I
>>> said I am more interested in the business license.  I am
>>> developing that program with Revolution so all of my work
>>> falls within my Enterprise license.  Recently there were post
>>> about developing commercial products without a commercial
>>> license.  What ever the rules are I am legally writing my code.
>>> 
>>> John Balgenorth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:43 PM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> If I had paid ahead for an enterprise license many years into the future and then the company went open source and licensing schemes changed and different products became available and I still continued to get a commercial license for everything, then I would tend to trust the Indy offer. And hey, that?s exactly what has happened!  And my On-Rev Founders account shows me allocated 97.66 GB.
>>>> 
>>>> Scott Morrow
>>>> 
>>>> Elementary Software
>>>> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
>>>> web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
>>>> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
>>>> office     1-800-615-0867
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:09 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> No Richard,  it means if I eat kittens I like
>>>>> to eat pissy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I ddi not start this conversation about the
>>>>> size limits being changed.  I stated that I
>>>>> am a on-rev founder and that I am not at
>>>>> this time using any of the space allocated
>>>>> to me.  I did not check the space so I said
>>>>> IF they changed the space and made it lower
>>>>> then I personally have no reason to believe
>>>>> the Indie license with its forever price will be
>>>>> forever.  Yes I received that from LIveCode
>>>>> and any lifetime agreements that are not to
>>>>> be honored for your lifetime make me think
>>>>> a Forever agreement will not last either.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I said IF because I do not know for sure and I
>>>>> gave them a small benefit of the doubt.  But it
>>>>> sounded to me like the space was lowered and
>>>>> if I remember correctly they talked about doing
>>>>> that in the past so it made me think they actually
>>>>> did lower it but I do not know so it remains IF.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I see you failed to provide evidence to prove it
>>>>> one way off another and yet attacked me for
>>>>> saying IF they lowered the space.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John Balgenorth
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> JB wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am not using any space but I have no reason to
>>>>>>> trust the Indie License forever price if forever has
>>>>>>> a limited meaning to the LiveCode Team.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Using "if" like that is really cool, as it allows us to say things without being accountable to them.  Let me try:  "If JB eats kittens, surely we have no reason to trust him with any pets." Yep, good fun.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Did you actually get a notice from the LiveCode team in which they've attempted to unilaterally alter some contractual agreement with you, or are you just making stuff up?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Richard Gaskin
>>>>>> Fourth World Systems
>>>>>> Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Jul 11 03:19:42 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:19:42 -0700
Subject: [fan boy] Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <54613072-13B8-4D1D-8500-FF27B8D347AC@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<55A08BD2.3080107@fourthworld.com>
	<F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>
	<0595E834-6FFD-4CB0-9633-4AB21A769FC5@elementarysoftware.com>
	<F756DEC5-69FB-427A-AB5A-B79D89A12B4F@pacifier.com>
	<1067696A-E4DA-40C9-9C9D-2FFF66EAB755@elementarysoftware.com>
	<419C7652-C0AF-4F15-A59F-DC60879F2C7A@pacifier.com>
	<54613072-13B8-4D1D-8500-FF27B8D347AC@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <59068CE3-F781-428B-8A5A-55C81BDE179E@pacifier.com>

I was an electrical contractor and did all of that
by myself too.  People say they want work but
it was impossible for me to find someone who
I could depend on.  They think one job can be
a career.  It would take me longer to teach a
new person in the industry than it would to do
the job myself.  A large contractor has the money
and workers to weed them out and keep good
workers.

I have been programming by myself since the Vic
20, commodore 64 and Apple //e.

I would not know how to run team.  That speaks
very highly of Kevin Miller.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 11, 2015, at 12:02 AM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:

> That?s the same boat that most of us are in, I think. One person driving the entire operation. I?m always interested in how a multi-person LiveCode team would operate. Actually, I?m even more interested in how other individuals operate. Most of us work without being able to observe the workflow of our peers (Hence the recent string of posts on "Best way to check if a Field is a label??) Which is really a sort of best practice conversation.
> 
> ?
> Scott Morrow
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:49 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am the team!  The program is
>> 80 to 90 percent done and do
>> not need anyone else at this
>> point.
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:35 PM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello John,
>>> Just out of curiosity, if you have a ?Forever" Enterprise license then are you interested in the Indy license for other members of a team?
>>> --
>>> Scott Morrow
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 11:10 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> They have made a lot of changes.  My Enterprise license
>>>> is Forever.
>>>> 
>>>> I am glad to hear you have the correct amount of space
>>>> and I hope everyone else does too.  I am not using any
>>>> of my space.  I also have a large amount of space with my
>>>> internet provider that I am not using.  Anytime I want I can
>>>> use all the space i need for free.  The Indy offer does not
>>>> interest me because I have reason to believe the program
>>>> I am going to sell will exceed the Indy limits.  That is why I
>>>> said I am more interested in the business license.  I am
>>>> developing that program with Revolution so all of my work
>>>> falls within my Enterprise license.  Recently there were post
>>>> about developing commercial products without a commercial
>>>> license.  What ever the rules are I am legally writing my code.
>>>> 
>>>> John Balgenorth
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:43 PM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If I had paid ahead for an enterprise license many years into the future and then the company went open source and licensing schemes changed and different products became available and I still continued to get a commercial license for everything, then I would tend to trust the Indy offer. And hey, that?s exactly what has happened!  And my On-Rev Founders account shows me allocated 97.66 GB.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott Morrow
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elementary Software
>>>>> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
>>>>> web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
>>>>> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
>>>>> office     1-800-615-0867
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 10:09 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No Richard,  it means if I eat kittens I like
>>>>>> to eat pissy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I ddi not start this conversation about the
>>>>>> size limits being changed.  I stated that I
>>>>>> am a on-rev founder and that I am not at
>>>>>> this time using any of the space allocated
>>>>>> to me.  I did not check the space so I said
>>>>>> IF they changed the space and made it lower
>>>>>> then I personally have no reason to believe
>>>>>> the Indie license with its forever price will be
>>>>>> forever.  Yes I received that from LIveCode
>>>>>> and any lifetime agreements that are not to
>>>>>> be honored for your lifetime make me think
>>>>>> a Forever agreement will not last either.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I said IF because I do not know for sure and I
>>>>>> gave them a small benefit of the doubt.  But it
>>>>>> sounded to me like the space was lowered and
>>>>>> if I remember correctly they talked about doing
>>>>>> that in the past so it made me think they actually
>>>>>> did lower it but I do not know so it remains IF.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I see you failed to provide evidence to prove it
>>>>>> one way off another and yet attacked me for
>>>>>> saying IF they lowered the space.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John Balgenorth
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:21 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> JB wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am not using any space but I have no reason to
>>>>>>>> trust the Indie License forever price if forever has
>>>>>>>> a limited meaning to the LiveCode Team.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Using "if" like that is really cool, as it allows us to say things without being accountable to them.  Let me try:  "If JB eats kittens, surely we have no reason to trust him with any pets." Yep, good fun.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Did you actually get a notice from the LiveCode team in which they've attempted to unilaterally alter some contractual agreement with you, or are you just making stuff up?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Richard Gaskin
>>>>>>> Fourth World Systems
>>>>>>> Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
>>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From ray at linkit.com  Sat Jul 11 04:54:54 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:54:54 +0100
Subject: Custom Ask File Dialogs
In-Reply-To: <A30063BE-FCF8-4442-B37A-0A95FEEFD8C8@pacifier.com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A30063BE-FCF8-4442-B37A-0A95FEEFD8C8@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <55A0D9DE.1030304@LinkIt.Com>

Greetings,

I'd like to solicit three things from my users in one window.  The main 
thing is a new file name and location.  I normally use "ask file" for 
this, but that only solicits a file name and location.  It does not let 
me solicit the other two things.  I then have to present a second dialog 
with some check boxes and radio buttons to solicit the other two pieces 
of info from my users.

Does anybody know of a way to duplicate Livecode's "Ask File" dialog 
window and customize it?  I suppose I could build up my own Ask File 
dialog window from scratch but it would be a lot of work and I'm not 
sure how I would include things like Favorites and the many different 
views the Ask File dialog window has.

In my research so far I've experimented unsuccessfully with the sheet 
command.  I've also set the "systemFileSelector" property to true in 
order to use Livecode's built-in dialog box.  I'm just not sure where to 
go to duplicate it so I can customize it.

Much appreciated,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Jul 11 05:17:41 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 11:17:41 +0200
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <36A86CA3-5FF7-413A-9E1B-02ED17F7B458@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

we have three founder packages here and all show 100GB in cPanel.  If yours does not, then just drop support on-rev at runrev.com an email. I am sure they will fix it.

I think this ?downgrade" happened when accounts where moved to newer servers.  I am pretty sure it was not intended.

Matthias


> Am 11.07.2015 um 02:21 schrieb Simon <simon at asato-media.com>:
> 
> Hi,
> I had thought it was 50 GB but my ftp is telling me it's full at 24.2055 GB.
> 
> Thanks,
> Simon
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Has-the-founders-on-rev-package-been-reduced-to-25-GB-tp4693856.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From ray at linkit.com  Sat Jul 11 05:36:52 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:36:52 +0100
Subject: Custom Ask File Dialogs
In-Reply-To: <55A0D9DE.1030304@LinkIt.Com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A30063BE-FCF8-4442-B37A-0A95FEEFD8C8@pacifier.com>
	<55A0D9DE.1030304@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <55A0E3B4.1030300@LinkIt.Com>

I need to correct my own post.  I meant to say I set the 
systemFileSelector to "false" in order to use Livecode's built-in file 
selector, but it's the much friendlier "system" file selector, not 
Livecode's built-in file selector, that I'm trying to duplicate and 
customize.  Sounds like a pretty tall order.  Any ideas?

On 7/11/15 9:54 AM, Ray wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I'd like to solicit three things from my users in one window.  The 
> main thing is a new file name and location.  I normally use "ask file" 
> for this, but that only solicits a file name and location. It does not 
> let me solicit the other two things.  I then have to present a second 
> dialog with some check boxes and radio buttons to solicit the other 
> two pieces of info from my users.
>
> Does anybody know of a way to duplicate Livecode's "Ask File" dialog 
> window and customize it?  I suppose I could build up my own Ask File 
> dialog window from scratch but it would be a lot of work and I'm not 
> sure how I would include things like Favorites and the many different 
> views the Ask File dialog window has.
>
> In my research so far I've experimented unsuccessfully with the sheet 
> command.  I've also set the "systemFileSelector" property to true in 
> order to use Livecode's built-in dialog box.  I'm just not sure where 
> to go to duplicate it so I can customize it.
>
> Much appreciated,
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Software




From mark.rauterkus at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 06:54:31 2015
From: mark.rauterkus at gmail.com (Mark Rauterkus)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:54:31 -0400
Subject: Anyone here have an Android security app such as Find my iPad?
Message-ID: <CAGV_Z3BUyoDXfbmwW7KoKiwjLEMEQRPxUUd5TL26VsJtFTYSjg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Has anyone done an app in LiveCode that helps to prevent the loss or
theft of an Android device?

Wondering.

Thanks

Mark at Rauterkus.com


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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 11 09:05:12 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:05:12 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>
References: <F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <55A11488.3080000@fourthworld.com>

JB wrote:

> I ddi not start this conversation about the
> size limits being changed.

True, but while the others have expressed their confidence that any 
apparent change isn't intentional, your post not only suggested it may 
have been, but then also went further to suggest that such unilateral 
changes to contractual obligations may be something they're doing with 
other agreements as well.

Moreover, Mark Wieder offered the sound reminder that many factors can 
affect apparent disk usage, such as spam bins which have been 
overflowing with the recent rise in global spam activity, so it may not 
even be a mistake on their part but just a spam bin that needs to be 
emptied.

Exactly why Simon's disk usage appears lower than he expected is still 
unknown, but the one thing we do know is that the people at LiveCode 
Ltd. have consistently honored their license agreements.   They've 
frequently posted here confirming this when questions arise, and I've 
seen nothing to the contrary in my 18 years of doing business with them.

Please stop and think about it for a minute:  for any party to attempt 
to unilaterally alter contractual terms in ways that favor themselves to 
the detriment of the other party would be a breach of contract in most 
jurisdictions, and unethical in all of them.

That's a very serious allegation, even if raised behind the 
accountability dodge of "if".

It boils down to raising unfair questions of character, and if you're 
going to question the character of any of my friends, whether it's Kevin 
or Klaus or Scott Rossi or Mark Wieder or anyone else, you will meet 
with an equally strong response.

If you're unhappy with the response to what you've written, next time 
consider writing something different.


> I said IF because I do not know for sure and I
> gave them a small benefit of the doubt.

We seem to be in agreement that you don't know what happened with 
Simon's account, which leaves this reader wondering why you expanded the 
scope of the discussion to include license agreements no one was talking 
about.

If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt maybe that was a post 
that didn't need to be sent at all, and just wait until Monday when 
they'll likely chime in here.

I'll wager that when they do they'll once again confirm their commitment 
to honoring their license and service agreements, as they've 
consistently done over the years.



TL/DR: It would be not only more pleasant but also more productive if we 
could kindly refrain from random conjecture and instead solve problems 
by focusing on known facts, and asking appropriate sources of 
information for any facts needed.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 11 09:26:07 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:26:07 -0700
Subject: Livecode and "Extended Validation" SSL certificates
In-Reply-To: <6818BE63-A66C-4686-B40A-C5465637D73D@comcast.net>
References: <6818BE63-A66C-4686-B40A-C5465637D73D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <55A1196F.9050301@fourthworld.com>

Bruce Pokras wrote:

 > Recently, the app's requests for the access token kept resulting in
 > an error message. I tried a lot of differnt work-arounds. Nothing
 > helped.
 >
 > I finally posted my problem to an EPO forum for OPS users, and
 > included the error message which at the time made no sense to me.
 > From the response I received from OPS support, they had recently
 > changed from conventional SSL certificates to new ?Extended
 > Validation? SSL certificates. Could there be something about the
 > Livecode implementation of https that is not compatible with these EV
 > certificates? Does that make sense? Here is the error message:
 > ---
 > error -Error with certificate at depth: 1 issuer = /OU=GlobalSign
 > Root CA - R2/O=GlobalSign/CN=GlobalSign subject = /C=BE/O=GlobalSign
 > nv-sa/CN=GlobalSign Extended Validation CA - SHA256 - G2 err
 > 7:certificate signature failure
 > ?
 > Once I knew this to be related to SSL, I added
 > "libURLSetSSLVerification false? to the scripts. No more errors and
 > the app receives the access token without any problem. However, I
 > felt it might be useful to put this issue in front of this
 > knowledgeable group as both a warning and as a seed for discusion.
 > Why did Livecode work fine with the old SSL certificates, but does
 > not with the EV certificates?

Thank you for posting that, Bruce.

I've seen a similar issue with an app I make that uses a similar cert on 
the server we use for storage,  but here the problem is intermittent so 
I've been reluctant to file a bug report until I can pin down a reliable 
recipe.

Is this issue consistently reproducible for you?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 11 09:36:05 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:36:05 -0700
Subject: Custom Ask File Dialogs
In-Reply-To: <55A0D9DE.1030304@LinkIt.Com>
References: <55A0D9DE.1030304@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <55A11BC5.9010604@fourthworld.com>

Ray wrote:

 > Does anybody know of a way to duplicate Livecode's "Ask File" dialog
 > window and customize it?  I suppose I could build up my own Ask File
 > dialog window from scratch but it would be a lot of work and I'm not
 > sure how I would include things like Favorites and the many different
 > views the Ask File dialog window has.
 >
 > In my research so far I've experimented unsuccessfully with the sheet
 > command.  I've also set the "systemFileSelector" property to true in
 > order to use Livecode's built-in dialog box.  I'm just not sure where
 > to go to duplicate it so I can customize it.

For the "answer file" command LiveCode uses the OS-provided dialog on 
all platforms.

They used to use a custom dialog for Unix, and still provide it as an 
option in the Linux standalone settings so it's in there somewhere, but 
it's not nearly as nice as the OS version that's now very well supported 
with Fraser Gordon's excellent GDK integration for that platform, and 
their custom dialog looks especially bad on OS X or Windows where it was 
never designed to be used.

It's been a while since I've looked into the OS APIs for extending the 
file selector dialog, and even then it was for Mac Classic so it would 
likely be of no use today even on OS X.

But I would imagine that a similar set of hooks remain in modern APIs, 
and that it may be possible to write an external for v7 that could 
extend that dialog, or wait until v8 and use the built-in support for 
calling OS APIs from LiveCode Builder.

For the here-and-now, when I need additional options for special file 
handling I'll usually just use a sequence of two dialogs:

1. answer file to pick the file
2. Display the selected file in a second custom modal that provides the 
other options I need.

I might be a bit smoother to have it all in one window, but apparently 
customizing the file selector dialog isn't the easiest thing to do, 
since I see at good many apps use a two-dialog sequence for such things 
- at least we're in good company.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 11 09:52:16 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:52:16 -0700
Subject: [fan boy] Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <54613072-13B8-4D1D-8500-FF27B8D347AC@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <54613072-13B8-4D1D-8500-FF27B8D347AC@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <55A11F90.1020909@fourthworld.com>

Scott Morrow wrote:

 > I?m always interested in how a multi-person LiveCode team would
 > operate.

The largest team I ever managed was using Sybase Gain Momentum, and 
excellent xTalk from yesteryear which has since changed hands so many 
times I don't know who owns it today.

The team had about two dozen people modifying stack files:  for 
programmers writing production tools, and the rest of the staff would 
use those point-and-click tools to build courseware.

Gain had a stack-level check-in/check-out system that was a very good 
fit for most of the work I did then and since.

There are a few ad hoc solutions of that sort members of this community 
have build for various projects, and Chipp Walters once released a tool 
called Magic Carpet as a more generalized solution.  I've been told that 
Magic Carpet was re-released as open source a few years ago, but I can't 
find it this morning (the old altuit.com site doesn't seem reachable 
from here).

In more recent years the focus has shifted to a more granular approach 
that allows line-by-line comparison and merging, most popularly done via 
GitHub.

Designed for traditional languages in which an app is comprised of 
hundreds of tiny text files, GitHub has been a challenging solution to 
attempt to use with LiveCode's binary stack files.

The LiveCode team implemented text-file stacks that can be used as 
libraries a few versions ago, so now at least those can be used with 
GitHub seamlessly.

They're also working on other methods of altering the file format for 
better integration with GitHub, but I don't think any of that will land 
in a release version until at least v8.1.

In the meantime, most of the projects I work on have between three and 
five developers, and we generally favor factoring the architecture into 
separate logically-organized stack files anyway, so it's a small matter 
to assign owners for each of those across the team according to the team 
member's strengths and interests.

This can work well with small teams (it kept the MetaCard IDE project 
alive for many years, to this date the longest-running open source 
project in our community), but in today's open source world we need to 
support an unknowable number of contributors so I've been experimenting 
with versioning and merging tools that work directly on the binary stack 
files.   Hopefully I'll get more time between client projects later this 
year so I can bring those to completion and share them as open source 
themselves, so they're not only useful to others but also become a test 
bed for the very workflows they aim to support.



 > Actually, I?m even more interested in how other individuals
 > operate. Most of us work without being able to observe the workflow
 > of our peers (Hence the recent string of posts on "Best way to check
 > if a Field is a label??) Which is really a sort of best practice
 > conversation.

Yes, this is a great community that way.  I'm always picking up new 
tricks here.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Sat Jul 11 09:53:00 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:53:00 -0400
Subject: Custom Ask File Dialogs
In-Reply-To: <55A11BC5.9010604@fourthworld.com>
References: <55A0D9DE.1030304@LinkIt.Com>
	<55A11BC5.9010604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXOxvdGDYzsj=gmBPiUzyUauiRVxTN53n6m+Ork0jrAjBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Jul 11, 2015 9:36 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:
>
> For the "answer file" command LiveCode uses the OS-provided dialog on all
platforms.
>
> ... and their custom dialog looks especially bad on OS X or Windows where
it was never designed to be used.
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com

In my earliest experience with LiveCode, aka Revolution 1.1.1, we were
using it on the irix variant of unix.  Our users were so accustomed to the
file dialogs that when we migrated to Windows, I enabled the UNIX file
selector to ease their painful transition.  Eventually, like 3 years later,
I turned it off and went native.  They were not pleased, but adapted anyway.

~Roger


From tedennis at softwaredetails.com  Sat Jul 11 09:47:04 2015
From: tedennis at softwaredetails.com (TEDennis)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:47:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1436622424762-4693885.post@n4.nabble.com>

I also have the founder package, running on diesel.

My FTP is failing during uploads, but I can use CPANEL to upload files.


My "disk space usage" report shows the following in the top section:

/9,857.63 MB total disk space used.
50,000.00 MB quota limit (0.00 MB used)./


The bottom section of the "disk space usage" report shows:

/9842.01 MB/


I expected to see a quota limit of 100,000.00 MB (100GB).

Why it's failing when I'm not even close to that limit is a mystery.


I have a circumvent (use File Manager instead of FTP), so it's not a big
deal (currently).

However, I can't circumvent the frequent down times on a system that brags:

"/Ultra reliable web hosting/" and "/Reliable redundant connectivity/"

Grrrr ...

TED



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul 11 10:15:09 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:15:09 -0500
Subject: Custom Ask File Dialogs
In-Reply-To: <55A11BC5.9010604@fourthworld.com>
References: <55A0D9DE.1030304@LinkIt.Com> <55A11BC5.9010604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D07A04BF-83CD-4C57-A6EB-4C75E41ACBEB@hyperactivesw.com>

On July 11, 2015 8:36:05 AM CDT, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>For the here-and-now, when I need additional options for special file 
>handling I'll usually just use a sequence of two dialogs:
>
>1. answer file to pick the file
>2. Display the selected file in a second custom modal that provides the other options I need.

I do a variation on that. I put up a modeless window with all the options, one of which is a button that calls "answer file". The reason it's modeless is because it can cause issues if you call a modal from within a modal. 

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jiml at netrin.com  Sat Jul 11 10:27:37 2015
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 07:27:37 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1436608802.27797.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1436608802.27797.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4B32EA40-D6E7-4E97-B8E3-3A21F8FE12BE@netrin.com>

I?m an on-rev founder and my cPanel says:

Disk Space Usage    1.5 GB / ?

Delicious.
To Infinity and beyond!

Jim Lambert


From tedennis at softwaredetails.com  Sat Jul 11 10:07:16 2015
From: tedennis at softwaredetails.com (TEDennis)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 07:07:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <4B32EA40-D6E7-4E97-B8E3-3A21F8FE12BE@netrin.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4B32EA40-D6E7-4E97-B8E3-3A21F8FE12BE@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <1436623636749-4693888.post@n4.nabble.com>

re: To Infinity and beyond!

Would you mind sharing some of that excess capacity?

I don't mean the 'infinity" stuff.

I mean the "beyond" stuff.

I'm wondering ... does "beyond" still use a binary system?

TED



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul 11 10:33:55 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:33:55 -0500
Subject: Livecode and "Extended Validation" SSL certificates
In-Reply-To: <55A1196F.9050301@fourthworld.com>
References: <6818BE63-A66C-4686-B40A-C5465637D73D@comcast.net>
	<55A1196F.9050301@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E52C0EC7-0DD0-4F4E-8710-8C5398C44B04@hyperactivesw.com>

On July 11, 2015 8:26:07 AM CDT, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>I've seen a similar issue with an app I make that uses a similar cert
>on 
>the server we use for storage,  but here the problem is intermittent so
>
>I've been reluctant to file a bug report until I can pin down a
>reliable 
>recipe.
>
>Is this issue consistently reproducible for you?

I had the same intermittent problem and I've seen it from others over the years. The only resolution is to turn off verification checking. As I understand it, the failure happens because the user's SSL certificate can't be validated against the server's, so failures will occur with some users and not others. 

The failure can happen at any point in the chain. Level 1 is the certificate on the user's machine. We sometimes saw failures at levels 2 or 3, which would be the certs on servers somewhere in the intermediate hops. That meant the failure was sometimes intermittent for the same user depending on the path the request took to the server. 

My knowledge of this stuff is rudimentary so someone else may be better qualified to answer, but I believe that's the layman's explanation. 
-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sat Jul 11 10:18:03 2015
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 07:18:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1436623636749-4693888.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4B32EA40-D6E7-4E97-B8E3-3A21F8FE12BE@netrin.com>
	<1436623636749-4693888.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1436624283344-4693890.post@n4.nabble.com>

I'm also on 97.66GB disk usage

...and I also give Kevin the benefit of the doubt, he's earned it...



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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 10:46:06 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:46:06 -0600
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1436624283344-4693890.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4B32EA40-D6E7-4E97-B8E3-3A21F8FE12BE@netrin.com>
	<1436623636749-4693888.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1436624283344-4693890.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoja-cyQyT1M0KMi9yoCteN5KbaN_BrRWL=nE+QeJFL0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Everyone I've ever met or spoke to at runrev has been great, and as a
group, I think I trust them more than any other group of corporate people
i've ever dealt with.

Like most, I chalk this sort of thing up to an "oops." Unfortunately
growing pains can indeed be painful, and nobody can deny RR has been going
through some rather large changes.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
wrote:

> I'm also on 97.66GB disk usage
>
> ...and I also give Kevin the benefit of the doubt, he's earned it...
>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul 11 11:18:38 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:18:38 -0500
Subject: Anyone here have an Android security app such as Find my iPad?
In-Reply-To: <CAGV_Z3BUyoDXfbmwW7KoKiwjLEMEQRPxUUd5TL26VsJtFTYSjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3BUyoDXfbmwW7KoKiwjLEMEQRPxUUd5TL26VsJtFTYSjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16D8803F-0DB7-4FEE-9490-193E50C4A102@hyperactivesw.com>

On July 11, 2015 5:54:31 AM CDT, Mark Rauterkus <mark.rauterkus at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Has anyone done an app in LiveCode that helps to prevent the loss or
>theft of an Android device?

Prevention is tricky, though there are bluetooth solutions that tell you if you accidentally leave your phone on a table at a restaurant. 

Google has the same type of "find my phone" service as Apple with the same options to locate it on a map, remote lock, or wipe. Some manufacturers offer their own (Samsung for one) and there are many older third party offerings in the Play Store. So on Android it's a fairly saturated field. 

Most of the third party apps fell by the wayside once Google set up their own. You need a Google account to run an Android device, and so everyone is automatically covered now. 
-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Jul 11 12:24:36 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:24:36 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <55A11488.3080000@fourthworld.com>
References: <F0B55A3A-60E9-4514-9369-BA88E499C0E5@pacifier.com>
	<55A11488.3080000@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <78225F98-DCB2-453C-9FF2-894C8080BC5D@pacifier.com>

I am reasonably happy with my statements.  The
only apology I have is I spelled pussy wrong.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:05 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> JB wrote:
> 
>> I ddi not start this conversation about the
>> size limits being changed.
> 
> True, but while the others have expressed their confidence that any apparent change isn't intentional, your post not only suggested it may have been, but then also went further to suggest that such unilateral changes to contractual obligations may be something they're doing with other agreements as well.
> 
> Moreover, Mark Wieder offered the sound reminder that many factors can affect apparent disk usage, such as spam bins which have been overflowing with the recent rise in global spam activity, so it may not even be a mistake on their part but just a spam bin that needs to be emptied.
> 
> Exactly why Simon's disk usage appears lower than he expected is still unknown, but the one thing we do know is that the people at LiveCode Ltd. have consistently honored their license agreements.   They've frequently posted here confirming this when questions arise, and I've seen nothing to the contrary in my 18 years of doing business with them.
> 
> Please stop and think about it for a minute:  for any party to attempt to unilaterally alter contractual terms in ways that favor themselves to the detriment of the other party would be a breach of contract in most jurisdictions, and unethical in all of them.
> 
> That's a very serious allegation, even if raised behind the accountability dodge of "if".
> 
> It boils down to raising unfair questions of character, and if you're going to question the character of any of my friends, whether it's Kevin or Klaus or Scott Rossi or Mark Wieder or anyone else, you will meet with an equally strong response.
> 
> If you're unhappy with the response to what you've written, next time consider writing something different.
> 
> 
>> I said IF because I do not know for sure and I
>> gave them a small benefit of the doubt.
> 
> We seem to be in agreement that you don't know what happened with Simon's account, which leaves this reader wondering why you expanded the scope of the discussion to include license agreements no one was talking about.
> 
> If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt maybe that was a post that didn't need to be sent at all, and just wait until Monday when they'll likely chime in here.
> 
> I'll wager that when they do they'll once again confirm their commitment to honoring their license and service agreements, as they've consistently done over the years.
> 
> 
> 
> TL/DR: It would be not only more pleasant but also more productive if we could kindly refrain from random conjecture and instead solve problems by focusing on known facts, and asking appropriate sources of information for any facts needed.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 15:51:37 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:51:37 +0300
Subject: Table field
Message-ID: <55A173C9.2060904@gmail.com>

I have a table field containing some data I copy pasted from a spreadsheet

[being unable to find a reliable way to import data directly from a 
spreadsheet]

that runs across 3 columns.

When I tried this:

put column 2 of line 3 of fld "XXX"

I had no joy.

I would be grateful if someone could tell me how to extract data from 
individual cells in a table field.

Richmond.



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 15:57:40 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:57:40 -0600
Subject: Table field
In-Reply-To: <55A173C9.2060904@gmail.com>
References: <55A173C9.2060904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSreAjEs_X1q7W-zifgteyaukZv_aGH4C88tSx2FzzJbRw@mail.gmail.com>

Its tab and cr delimited data, so set the itemdelimiter to tab and get item
2 o fline 3 of field "xxx"

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a table field containing some data I copy pasted from a spreadsheet
>
> [being unable to find a reliable way to import data directly from a
> spreadsheet]
>
> that runs across 3 columns.
>
> When I tried this:
>
> put column 2 of line 3 of fld "XXX"
>
> I had no joy.
>
> I would be grateful if someone could tell me how to extract data from
> individual cells in a table field.
>
> Richmond.
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 15:58:47 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:58:47 +0300
Subject: Table field
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSreAjEs_X1q7W-zifgteyaukZv_aGH4C88tSx2FzzJbRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A173C9.2060904@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSreAjEs_X1q7W-zifgteyaukZv_aGH4C88tSx2FzzJbRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A17577.6020301@gmail.com>

On 11/07/15 22:57, Mike Bonner wrote:
> Its tab and cr delimited data, so set the itemdelimiter to tab and get item
> 2 o fline 3 of field "xxx"

Smashing: Thanks for a rapid and intelligible answer: you're the Man!

Richmond.
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have a table field containing some data I copy pasted from a spreadsheet
>>
>> [being unable to find a reliable way to import data directly from a
>> spreadsheet]
>>
>> that runs across 3 columns.
>>
>> When I tried this:
>>
>> put column 2 of line 3 of fld "XXX"
>>
>> I had no joy.
>>
>> I would be grateful if someone could tell me how to extract data from
>> individual cells in a table field.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
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From ray at linkit.com  Sat Jul 11 16:10:27 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:10:27 +0100
Subject: Custom Ask File Dialogs
In-Reply-To: <D07A04BF-83CD-4C57-A6EB-4C75E41ACBEB@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55A0D9DE.1030304@LinkIt.Com> <55A11BC5.9010604@fourthworld.com>
	<D07A04BF-83CD-4C57-A6EB-4C75E41ACBEB@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <55A17833.7080800@LinkIt.Com>

These replies are kind of what I thought the case was.  I'm going to put 
this task on hold until Livecode 8 stable at which time I'd like to look 
into Livecode Builder.

Thanks all!

On 7/11/15 3:15 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On July 11, 2015 8:36:05 AM CDT, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>> For the here-and-now, when I need additional options for special file
>> handling I'll usually just use a sequence of two dialogs:
>>
>> 1. answer file to pick the file
>> 2. Display the selected file in a second custom modal that provides the other options I need.
> I do a variation on that. I put up a modeless window with all the options, one of which is a button that calls "answer file". The reason it's modeless is because it can cause issues if you call a modal from within a modal.
>




From bruceap at comcast.net  Sat Jul 11 16:58:20 2015
From: bruceap at comcast.net (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:58:20 -0400
Subject: Livecode and "Extended Validation" SSL certificates
In-Reply-To: <55A1196F.9050301@fourthworld.com>
References: <6818BE63-A66C-4686-B40A-C5465637D73D@comcast.net>
	<55A1196F.9050301@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B1DAA1D1-5860-4454-85F4-BB8E1346816D@comcast.net>


> On Jul 11, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Richard Gaskin <Ambassador at FourthWorld.com> wrote:
> 
> Bruce Pokras wrote:
> 
>> Recently, the app's requests for the access token kept resulting in
>> an error message. I tried a lot of differnt work-arounds. Nothing
>> helped.
>> 
>> I finally posted my problem to an EPO forum for OPS users, and
>> included the error message which at the time made no sense to me.
>> From the response I received from OPS support, they had recently
>> changed from conventional SSL certificates to new ?Extended
>> Validation? SSL certificates. Could there be something about the
>> Livecode implementation of https that is not compatible with these EV
>> certificates? Does that make sense? Here is the error message:
>> ---
>> error -Error with certificate at depth: 1 issuer = /OU=GlobalSign
>> Root CA - R2/O=GlobalSign/CN=GlobalSign subject = /C=BE/O=GlobalSign
>> nv-sa/CN=GlobalSign Extended Validation CA - SHA256 - G2 err
>> 7:certificate signature failure
>> ?
>> Once I knew this to be related to SSL, I added
>> "libURLSetSSLVerification false? to the scripts. No more errors and
>> the app receives the access token without any problem. However, I
>> felt it might be useful to put this issue in front of this
>> knowledgeable group as both a warning and as a seed for discusion.
>> Why did Livecode work fine with the old SSL certificates, but does
>> not with the EV certificates?
> 
> Thank you for posting that, Bruce.
> 
> I've seen a similar issue with an app I make that uses a similar cert on the server we use for storage,  but here the problem is intermittent so I've been reluctant to file a bug report until I can pin down a reliable recipe.
> 
> Is this issue consistently reproducible for you?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 

Over the past week there were a couple of short periods of time (about 5 minutes each) during which I was receiving the desired access token instead of the error. In fact, right now with multiple attempts with libURLSetSSLVerification set to ?true? it worked fine all but one time. Of course, I do not want to risk having even one failure when the fix is as easy as setting libURLSetSSLVerification to ?false?. (Oops, spoke too soon! Am now consistently getting the error again when libURLSetSSLVerification is set to ?true?).

One list member who e-mailed me directly suggested that it might be a Livecode version issue with 7.0.5 giving the error because it was using an older openssl but 7.0.6 was working fine. I am a dinosaur still using 6.0.2. I will see if 7.0.6 makes any difference for me.


From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Jul 11 18:35:08 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:35:08 +0000
Subject: Table field
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSreAjEs_X1q7W-zifgteyaukZv_aGH4C88tSx2FzzJbRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A173C9.2060904@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSreAjEs_X1q7W-zifgteyaukZv_aGH4C88tSx2FzzJbRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOsn-ZrE6VGV4PwJrs1FvZz2FjXrYhP6sPC++_qFfR6GQ@mail.gmail.com>

What Mike said.  It's somewhat confusing since there is a "columndelimiter"
property which is set to tab by default but it seems to only be used in
conjunction with the split command.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:57 PM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Its tab and cr delimited data, so set the itemdelimiter to tab and get item
> 2 o fline 3 of field "xxx"
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a table field containing some data I copy pasted from a
> spreadsheet
> >
> > [being unable to find a reliable way to import data directly from a
> > spreadsheet]
> >
> > that runs across 3 columns.
> >
> > When I tried this:
> >
> > put column 2 of line 3 of fld "XXX"
> >
> > I had no joy.
> >
> > I would be grateful if someone could tell me how to extract data from
> > individual cells in a table field.
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Sat Jul 11 19:45:34 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:45:34 -0400
Subject: Table field
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOsn-ZrE6VGV4PwJrs1FvZz2FjXrYhP6sPC++_qFfR6GQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14e7f827a09-1733-4804@webprd-a66.mail.aol.com>

The colunDelimiter will not. in and of itself, extract, say, the third item of all the lines in a tab and return formatted dataSet. DataGrids have this sort of functionality built-in, but that is still constructed from standard LC techniques.
As per the above, if you wanted that third item all down the table, you have to loop through each line and dig it out, as others have already said.


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: Table field


What Mike said.  It's somewhat confusing since there is a
"columndelimiter"
property which is set to tab by default but it seems to only
be used in
conjunction with the split command.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:57
PM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Its tab and cr delimited data,
so set the itemdelimiter to tab and get item
> 2 o fline 3 of field "xxx"
>
>
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>
wrote:
>
> > I have a table field containing some data I copy pasted from a
>
spreadsheet
> >
> > [being unable to find a reliable way to import data
directly from a
> > spreadsheet]
> >
> > that runs across 3 columns.
> >
>
> When I tried this:
> >
> > put column 2 of line 3 of fld "XXX"
> >
> > I
had no joy.
> >
> > I would be grateful if someone could tell me how to
extract data from
> > individual cells in a table field.
> >
> > Richmond.
>
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing
list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe,
unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> >
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Jul 11 19:56:30 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:56:30 -0700
Subject: Table field
In-Reply-To: <14e7f827a09-1733-4804@webprd-a66.mail.aol.com>
References: <14e7f827a09-1733-4804@webprd-a66.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C27A85E2-B270-41E6-A858-70554D288971@pacifier.com>

If you want to get all the items in a column
Richard Gaskin wrote a excellent function
specifically for that.  Like all of his code it
is fast.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 11, 2015, at 4:45 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:

> The colunDelimiter will not. in and of itself, extract, say, the third item of all the lines in a tab and return formatted dataSet. DataGrids have this sort of functionality built-in, but that is still constructed from standard LC techniques.
> As per the above, if you wanted that third item all down the table, you have to loop through each line and dig it out, as others have already said.
> 
> 
> Craig Newman
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 6:36 pm
> Subject: Re: Table field
> 
> 
> What Mike said.  It's somewhat confusing since there is a
> "columndelimiter"
> property which is set to tab by default but it seems to only
> be used in
> conjunction with the split command.
> 
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:57
> PM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Its tab and cr delimited data,
> so set the itemdelimiter to tab and get item
>> 2 o fline 3 of field "xxx"
>> 
>> 
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>> 
> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a table field containing some data I copy pasted from a
>> 
> spreadsheet
>>> 
>>> [being unable to find a reliable way to import data
> directly from a
>>> spreadsheet]
>>> 
>>> that runs across 3 columns.
>>> 
>> 
>> When I tried this:
>>> 
>>> put column 2 of line 3 of fld "XXX"
>>> 
>>> I
> had no joy.
>>> 
>>> I would be grateful if someone could tell me how to
> extract data from
>>> individual cells in a table field.
>>> 
>>> Richmond.
>> 
>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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> list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe,
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From simon at asato-media.com  Sun Jul 12 00:29:41 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:29:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>

Ok I do have to admit that during the HTML5 crowdfunding I went with the
"Lifetime Pro" and there was in the fine print that it meant 10 years. Now
for me that indicated some sort of legal speak and that there was probably
some enforceable case that 10 years could be deemed a lifetime. But then
there is also the case of when I found the Enterprise edition was for $500K
(or 50K? some revenue cap) or less on the website. Heather quickly had that
fixed.  So that fine print may have been wrong.

Anyways, I like LiveCode Ltd. so not a big problem.

I wonder about the people who have 100 GB storage because though I can't
find it, there was a post by Kevin when this came up before (during the move
to France) that said we would retain our 50 GB and he'd get right on it.


Simon



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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 07:05:03 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 07:05:03 -0400
Subject: Table field
In-Reply-To: <C27A85E2-B270-41E6-A858-70554D288971@pacifier.com>
References: <14e7f827a09-1733-4804@webprd-a66.mail.aol.com>
	<C27A85E2-B270-41E6-A858-70554D288971@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <56184874-FE24-4FCA-8AFE-30D29E4B7831@gmail.com>

Here's a general function for extracting a column or columns from a tab-del table, based on a handler by Mike Doub for deleting columns. IIRC there was an exchange in this list re bug checking and generally tuning it up, and the handler I saved in my library came out of that discussion.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

---------------

function getColumns pData, pColNbrs, pDelim
   -- Extract specified columns from a table in order
   --    pData: a tab-delimited table (delim may be overridden with pDelim)
   --    pColNbrs: A comma separated list of columns or column ranges
   --       to be returned in the order indicated, for example "2,7,5"
   --       or an ascending column range: "3-5"
   --       or a descending column range: "5-3"
   --       or a combination "7,4-5,2,11-9"
   -- based on deleteColumns() by Michael Doub et. al., use-LC list
   
   if pColNbrs = empty then return pData
   if pDelim = empty then put tab into pDelim
   -- first expand column ranges
   repeat for each item pCol in pColNbrs
      put offset("-",pCol) into dashPos
      if dashPos = 0 then
         put pCol & comma after tColsToReturn
      else if dashPos = 1 then
         -- for column numbers like -1, -2, etc.
         put howMany(pDelim,line 1 of pData) + 1 into nbrItems
         put pCol + 1 + nbrItems & comma after tColsToReturn
      else
         -- a column range
         put char 1 to dashPos-1 of pCol into firstColNbr
         put char dashPos+1 to -1 of pCol into lastColNbr
         if firstColNbr < lastColNbr then
            repeat with i = firstColNbr to lastColNbr
               put i & comma after tColsToReturn
            end repeat
         else
            repeat with i = firstColNbr down to lastColNbr
               put i & comma after tColsToReturn
            end repeat
         end if  
      end if       
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of tColsToReturn
   -- then extract columns in order
   set the columnDelimiter to pDelim
   split pData by column
   repeat for each item n in tColsToReturn
      add 1 to x
      put pData[n] into rData[x]
   end repeat
   combine rData by column
   return rData
end getColumns


On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:56 PM, JB wrote:

> If you want to get all the items in a column
> Richard Gaskin wrote a excellent function
> specifically for that.  Like all of his code it
> is fast.
> 
> John Balgenorth
> 
> 
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 4:45 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> The colunDelimiter will not. in and of itself, extract, say, the third item of all the lines in a tab and return formatted dataSet. DataGrids have this sort of functionality built-in, but that is still constructed from standard LC techniques.
>> As per the above, if you wanted that third item all down the table, you have to loop through each line and dig it out, as others have already said.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig Newman
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 6:36 pm
>> Subject: Re: Table field
>> 
>> 
>> What Mike said.  It's somewhat confusing since there is a
>> "columndelimiter"
>> property which is set to tab by default but it seems to only
>> be used in
>> conjunction with the split command.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:57
>> PM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Its tab and cr delimited data,
>> so set the itemdelimiter to tab and get item
>>> 2 o fline 3 of field "xxx"
>>> 
>>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>> 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have a table field containing some data I copy pasted from a
>>> 
>> spreadsheet
>>>> 
>>>> [being unable to find a reliable way to import data
>> directly from a
>>>> spreadsheet]
>>>> 
>>>> that runs across 3 columns.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> When I tried this:
>>>> 
>>>> put column 2 of line 3 of fld "XXX"
>>>> 
>>>> I
>> had no joy.
>>>> 
>>>> I would be grateful if someone could tell me how to
>> extract data from
>>>> individual cells in a table field.
>>>> 
>>>> Richmond.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing
>> list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe,
>> unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> 
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 07:12:15 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 19:12:15 +0800
Subject: [OT] SQLite/Unicode
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePUGugsGAxfTdLyTA1BcDiMVqzOgkn-KLfLzo+Ws=Yu0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePUGugsGAxfTdLyTA1BcDiMVqzOgkn-KLfLzo+Ws=Yu0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjJkFqmL+kSqg6tNhskv_rm8fJLBBwN6gcOJB1=A7aoxw@mail.gmail.com>

Very useful. Thanks for posting that.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 5:01 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> For those of you wanting to use Unicode with an SQLite database, I came
> across this on the SQLite list:
>
> https://bitbucket.org/alekseyt/nunicode#markdown-header-sqlite3-extension
>
> Livecode 7 makes it very easy to insert and retrieve Unicode data to/from
> an SQlite database but there are some functions within SQlite that don't
> work correctly with Unicode, specifically upper(), lower(), COLLATE and X
> LIKE Y.
>
> The above sqlite extension makes those function work.  It's a library that
> is loadable at runtime.
>
> To load a runtime extension from Livecode:
>
> - use the "extensions" keyword of the revOpendatabase sqliteoptions
> parameter
>
> - use the SQLite load_extension() function to load the library.
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Jul 12 07:17:32 2015
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:17:32 -0700
Subject: mobileControl and TextEncode / TextDecode
Message-ID: <E5D49D50-C8E9-436B-AEF4-1840A792D27A@elementarysoftware.com>

I?m wondering if there is a a ?correct? or best practice for getting unicode in and out of an iOS UITextField under LiveCode 7. Specifically, is TextEncode and TextDecode necessary or advisable?

So far, this seems to work for me:

 put mobileControlGet (sEmailFieldID, "unicodeText") into fld ?Email"


But is there some situation where this might be more advisable as a general solution:

 put TextDecode(mobileControlGet (sEmailFieldID, "unicodeText?),"UTF-16") into fld ?Email?

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From sundown at pacifier.com  Sun Jul 12 07:42:51 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 04:42:51 -0700
Subject: Table field
In-Reply-To: <56184874-FE24-4FCA-8AFE-30D29E4B7831@gmail.com>
References: <14e7f827a09-1733-4804@webprd-a66.mail.aol.com>
	<C27A85E2-B270-41E6-A858-70554D288971@pacifier.com>
	<56184874-FE24-4FCA-8AFE-30D29E4B7831@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C271F24-71D4-4674-AB14-767542837D84@pacifier.com>

That?s nice, thank you!
I am saving it.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 12, 2015, at 4:05 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a general function for extracting a column or columns from a tab-del table, based on a handler by Mike Doub for deleting columns. IIRC there was an exchange in this list re bug checking and generally tuning it up, and the handler I saved in my library came out of that discussion.
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
> 
> ---------------
> 
> function getColumns pData, pColNbrs, pDelim
>   -- Extract specified columns from a table in order
>   --    pData: a tab-delimited table (delim may be overridden with pDelim)
>   --    pColNbrs: A comma separated list of columns or column ranges
>   --       to be returned in the order indicated, for example "2,7,5"
>   --       or an ascending column range: "3-5"
>   --       or a descending column range: "5-3"
>   --       or a combination "7,4-5,2,11-9"
>   -- based on deleteColumns() by Michael Doub et. al., use-LC list
> 
>   if pColNbrs = empty then return pData
>   if pDelim = empty then put tab into pDelim
>   -- first expand column ranges
>   repeat for each item pCol in pColNbrs
>      put offset("-",pCol) into dashPos
>      if dashPos = 0 then
>         put pCol & comma after tColsToReturn
>      else if dashPos = 1 then
>         -- for column numbers like -1, -2, etc.
>         put howMany(pDelim,line 1 of pData) + 1 into nbrItems
>         put pCol + 1 + nbrItems & comma after tColsToReturn
>      else
>         -- a column range
>         put char 1 to dashPos-1 of pCol into firstColNbr
>         put char dashPos+1 to -1 of pCol into lastColNbr
>         if firstColNbr < lastColNbr then
>            repeat with i = firstColNbr to lastColNbr
>               put i & comma after tColsToReturn
>            end repeat
>         else
>            repeat with i = firstColNbr down to lastColNbr
>               put i & comma after tColsToReturn
>            end repeat
>         end if  
>      end if       
>   end repeat
>   delete char -1 of tColsToReturn
>   -- then extract columns in order
>   set the columnDelimiter to pDelim
>   split pData by column
>   repeat for each item n in tColsToReturn
>      add 1 to x
>      put pData[n] into rData[x]
>   end repeat
>   combine rData by column
>   return rData
> end getColumns
> 
> 
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:56 PM, JB wrote:
> 
>> If you want to get all the items in a column
>> Richard Gaskin wrote a excellent function
>> specifically for that.  Like all of his code it
>> is fast.
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 4:45 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> The colunDelimiter will not. in and of itself, extract, say, the third item of all the lines in a tab and return formatted dataSet. DataGrids have this sort of functionality built-in, but that is still constructed from standard LC techniques.
>>> As per the above, if you wanted that third item all down the table, you have to loop through each line and dig it out, as others have already said.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig Newman
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 6:36 pm
>>> Subject: Re: Table field
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What Mike said.  It's somewhat confusing since there is a
>>> "columndelimiter"
>>> property which is set to tab by default but it seems to only
>>> be used in
>>> conjunction with the split command.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:57
>>> PM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Its tab and cr delimited data,
>>> so set the itemdelimiter to tab and get item
>>>> 2 o fline 3 of field "xxx"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have a table field containing some data I copy pasted from a
>>>> 
>>> spreadsheet
>>>>> 
>>>>> [being unable to find a reliable way to import data
>>> directly from a
>>>>> spreadsheet]
>>>>> 
>>>>> that runs across 3 columns.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> When I tried this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> put column 2 of line 3 of fld "XXX"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I
>>> had no joy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would be grateful if someone could tell me how to
>>> extract data from
>>>>> individual cells in a table field.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richmond.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing
>>> list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe,
>>> unsubscribe and manage your
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> 




From mikedoub at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 08:14:31 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 08:14:31 -0400
Subject: Table field
In-Reply-To: <56184874-FE24-4FCA-8AFE-30D29E4B7831@gmail.com>
References: <14e7f827a09-1733-4804@webprd-a66.mail.aol.com>	<C27A85E2-B270-41E6-A858-70554D288971@pacifier.com>
	<56184874-FE24-4FCA-8AFE-30D29E4B7831@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A25A27.60701@gmail.com>

Thanks Peter.   I just added it to the MasterLibrary.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0

Regards,
    Mike


On 7/12/15 7:05 AM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
> Here's a general function for extracting a column or columns from a tab-del table, based on a handler by Mike Doub for deleting columns. IIRC there was an exchange in this list re bug checking and generally tuning it up, and the handler I saved in my library came out of that discussion.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
> ---------------
>
> function getColumns pData, pColNbrs, pDelim
>     -- Extract specified columns from a table in order
>     --    pData: a tab-delimited table (delim may be overridden with pDelim)
>     --    pColNbrs: A comma separated list of columns or column ranges
>     --       to be returned in the order indicated, for example "2,7,5"
>     --       or an ascending column range: "3-5"
>     --       or a descending column range: "5-3"
>     --       or a combination "7,4-5,2,11-9"
>     -- based on deleteColumns() by Michael Doub et. al., use-LC list
>     
>     if pColNbrs = empty then return pData
>     if pDelim = empty then put tab into pDelim
>     -- first expand column ranges
>     repeat for each item pCol in pColNbrs
>        put offset("-",pCol) into dashPos
>        if dashPos = 0 then
>           put pCol & comma after tColsToReturn
>        else if dashPos = 1 then
>           -- for column numbers like -1, -2, etc.
>           put howMany(pDelim,line 1 of pData) + 1 into nbrItems
>           put pCol + 1 + nbrItems & comma after tColsToReturn
>        else
>           -- a column range
>           put char 1 to dashPos-1 of pCol into firstColNbr
>           put char dashPos+1 to -1 of pCol into lastColNbr
>           if firstColNbr < lastColNbr then
>              repeat with i = firstColNbr to lastColNbr
>                 put i & comma after tColsToReturn
>              end repeat
>           else
>              repeat with i = firstColNbr down to lastColNbr
>                 put i & comma after tColsToReturn
>              end repeat
>           end if
>        end if
>     end repeat
>     delete char -1 of tColsToReturn
>     -- then extract columns in order
>     set the columnDelimiter to pDelim
>     split pData by column
>     repeat for each item n in tColsToReturn
>        add 1 to x
>        put pData[n] into rData[x]
>     end repeat
>     combine rData by column
>     return rData
> end getColumns
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:56 PM, JB wrote:
>
>> If you want to get all the items in a column
>> Richard Gaskin wrote a excellent function
>> specifically for that.  Like all of his code it
>> is fast.
>>
>> John Balgenorth
>>
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 4:45 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> The colunDelimiter will not. in and of itself, extract, say, the third item of all the lines in a tab and return formatted dataSet. DataGrids have this sort of functionality built-in, but that is still constructed from standard LC techniques.
>>> As per the above, if you wanted that third item all down the table, you have to loop through each line and dig it out, as others have already said.
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig Newman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2015 6:36 pm
>>> Subject: Re: Table field
>>>
>>>
>>> What Mike said.  It's somewhat confusing since there is a
>>> "columndelimiter"
>>> property which is set to tab by default but it seems to only
>>> be used in
>>> conjunction with the split command.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:57
>>> PM Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Its tab and cr delimited data,
>>> so set the itemdelimiter to tab and get item
>>>> 2 o fline 3 of field "xxx"
>>>>
>>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> I have a table field containing some data I copy pasted from a
>>> spreadsheet
>>>>> [being unable to find a reliable way to import data
>>> directly from a
>>>>> spreadsheet]
>>>>>
>>>>> that runs across 3 columns.
>>>>>
>>>> When I tried this:
>>>>> put column 2 of line 3 of fld "XXX"
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>> had no joy.
>>>>> I would be grateful if someone could tell me how to
>>> extract data from
>>>>> individual cells in a table field.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richmond.
>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> list
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 09:28:20 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:28:20 +0800
Subject: Wiki software, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <35527783-6716-4EFB-9911-C118FEC6F758@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGV_Z3DMby4igz=cRXEQMaP7Y1gTrPtg+3JLAMXgK29-=cAXDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMS5C-zrSvjr3vp-RQtY5Rh3QFq3uQRF87mpT2COQgs6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<41AB97C9-3ACC-4584-B4A4-70B15E477712@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMQ96khdab862VF5zYxxCphsC2U99StEON946H8bbb-WQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB2ABE63-1DD7-45BA-9ECF-4211C3EC1D0F@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioPnD-hO7y8eD_M-+q+2=_hTmJW6yBYFq=vZ6KJANS1ZHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<3555261F-8769-4554-B3DE-6DA214020C27@all-auctions.com>
	<CAGASioMV_-MC2ZRa=EghtS93SLijku9jFifgbyQ=PDasO5P1qA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eN0iH5PG+p9whogmeioStxLSjeD3qQCawpncFHDY4=bEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<35527783-6716-4EFB-9911-C118FEC6F758@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjsp1yCX=-P2dMmt7B9RW3qeoFE5Hd0j0FhTuAcYsAwoA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 5:11 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> They will need their agility in the lowest depths of hell where they are
> all heading.
>
> Bob S
>
> Hmmm, I'd like to post something but we all know cheese, cheese and
cheese should never be discussed at the table.

David, I must commend you in the light hearted way you portrayed an
experience that no one would wish upon anyone. If you have children I hope
they learn from your example and can be less fervent and more calm and
level headed like you when life's many set-backs beset them.


From prothero at earthednet.org  Fri Jul 10 23:54:28 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:54:28 -0700
Subject: Code signing a standAlone App Confusion
Message-ID: <65E45BF2-84EE-4CC4-AF09-BAE7B3301B1C@earthednet.org>

Folks:
Is there a ?Tutorial for Dummies? that walks one through the process of creating and code-signing a Livecode stand-alone application? The Apple Developers website does this, but between XCode and the Developer?s web site, and downloading and uploading certificates and provisioning profiles, with all of the settings that have to match up, I?m really confused. Perhaps it?s just the end of the day. 

If there is a good tutorial, please reply with a link. If not, I?ll yank up my shorts, take a deep breath and start in on the Apple Documentation (which, by the way, isn?t always the way that will work with Livecode. I found that out with iOS apps).

ALSO: has anybody successfully used AppWrapper 3 with LC 7.0.6, XCode 6.4, on OSX 10.
10.4?

Thanks in advance for any info, encouragement, etc.

Best,
Bill Prothero

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/



From sundown at pacifier.com  Sun Jul 12 14:55:45 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 11:55:45 -0700
Subject: Code signing a standAlone App Confusion
In-Reply-To: <65E45BF2-84EE-4CC4-AF09-BAE7B3301B1C@earthednet.org>
References: <65E45BF2-84EE-4CC4-AF09-BAE7B3301B1C@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <973E6047-7E05-417C-B9C6-040F634C79D2@pacifier.com>

If you figure it put please
post the steps.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:54 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Folks:
> Is there a ?Tutorial for Dummies? that walks one through the process of creating and code-signing a Livecode stand-alone application? The Apple Developers website does this, but between XCode and the Developer?s web site, and downloading and uploading certificates and provisioning profiles, with all of the settings that have to match up, I?m really confused. Perhaps it?s just the end of the day. 
> 
> If there is a good tutorial, please reply with a link. If not, I?ll yank up my shorts, take a deep breath and start in on the Apple Documentation (which, by the way, isn?t always the way that will work with Livecode. I found that out with iOS apps).
> 
> ALSO: has anybody successfully used AppWrapper 3 with LC 7.0.6, XCode 6.4, on OSX 10.
> 10.4?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any info, encouragement, etc.
> 
> Best,
> Bill Prothero
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org/
> 
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From jiml at netrin.com  Sun Jul 12 15:57:30 2015
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:57:30 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1436695201.14059.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1436695201.14059.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <94AC1884-6A35-4BB6-A44F-61A505DEA27F@netrin.com>


> TEDennis wrote:
> 
> re: To Infinity and beyond!
> 
> Would you mind sharing some of that excess capacity?
> 
> I don't mean the 'infinity" stuff.
> 
> I mean the "beyond" stuff.
> 
> I'm wondering ... does "beyond" still use a binary system?

Only in the world of ?Toy Story?, the film from which the quote is taken.

I?m curious does anyone else see the infinity symbol as the maximum storage limit for your on-rev accountl?

Jim Lambert



From paul at livecode.org  Sun Jul 12 16:43:14 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:43:14 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <94AC1884-6A35-4BB6-A44F-61A505DEA27F@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.1.1436695201.14059.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<94AC1884-6A35-4BB6-A44F-61A505DEA27F@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <DE0582F3-A96C-498F-9668-4853ADDF3882@livecode.org>

I don?t see the infinity symbol, but out of curiosity I opened the ?Disk Space Usage' in the ?Files? panel of cPanel and it reports:

   3,241.86 MB total disk space used.
   50,000.00 MB quota limit (0.00 MB used).

However, the summary in the ?Stats? panel on the left shows:

   Disk Space Usage 0 bytes / 48.83 GB

So it appears to me that the quota limit shown in cPanel is not being used.

Paul


> On Jul 12, 2015, at 12:57, Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> TEDennis wrote:
>> 
>> re: To Infinity and beyond!
>> 
>> Would you mind sharing some of that excess capacity?
>> 
>> I don't mean the 'infinity" stuff.
>> 
>> I mean the "beyond" stuff.
>> 
>> I'm wondering ... does "beyond" still use a binary system?
> 
> Only in the world of ?Toy Story?, the film from which the quote is taken.
> 
> I?m curious does anyone else see the infinity symbol as the maximum storage limit for your on-rev accountl?
> 
> Jim Lambert
> 
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Jul 12 17:06:35 2015
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:06:35 -0700
Subject: Code signing a standAlone App Confusion
In-Reply-To: <65E45BF2-84EE-4CC4-AF09-BAE7B3301B1C@earthednet.org>
References: <65E45BF2-84EE-4CC4-AF09-BAE7B3301B1C@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <413840CB-8069-47E2-9F87-E02B509A1A19@elementarysoftware.com>

Trevor DeVore has a tutorial here:

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/s/revolution/m/10695>

> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:54 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> Is there a ?Tutorial for Dummies? that walks one through the process of creating and code-signing a Livecode stand-alone application? The Apple Developers website does this, but between XCode and the Developer?s web site, and downloading and uploading certificates and provisioning profiles, with all of the settings that have to match up, I?m really confused. Perhaps it?s just the end of the day. 
> 
> If there is a good tutorial, please reply with a link. If not, I?ll yank up my shorts, take a deep breath and start in on the Apple Documentation (which, by the way, isn?t always the way that will work with Livecode. I found that out with iOS apps).
> 
> ALSO: has anybody successfully used AppWrapper 3 with LC 7.0.6, XCode 6.4, on OSX 10.
> 10.4?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any info, encouragement, etc.
> 
> Best,
> Bill Prothero
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From sundown at pacifier.com  Sun Jul 12 17:17:32 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:17:32 -0700
Subject: Code signing a standAlone App Confusion
In-Reply-To: <413840CB-8069-47E2-9F87-E02B509A1A19@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <65E45BF2-84EE-4CC4-AF09-BAE7B3301B1C@earthednet.org>
	<413840CB-8069-47E2-9F87-E02B509A1A19@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <22791FA8-DF11-4463-BE74-EBDD5485CA0E@pacifier.com>

Thank you Scott and Trevor!

John Balgenorth


On Jul 12, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:

> Trevor DeVore has a tutorial here:
> 
> <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/s/revolution/m/10695>
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:54 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> Is there a ?Tutorial for Dummies? that walks one through the process of creating and code-signing a Livecode stand-alone application? The Apple Developers website does this, but between XCode and the Developer?s web site, and downloading and uploading certificates and provisioning profiles, with all of the settings that have to match up, I?m really confused. Perhaps it?s just the end of the day. 
>> 
>> If there is a good tutorial, please reply with a link. If not, I?ll yank up my shorts, take a deep breath and start in on the Apple Documentation (which, by the way, isn?t always the way that will work with Livecode. I found that out with iOS apps).
>> 
>> ALSO: has anybody successfully used AppWrapper 3 with LC 7.0.6, XCode 6.4, on OSX 10.
>> 10.4?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any info, encouragement, etc.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill Prothero
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 20:35:40 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 17:35:40 -0700
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <55A01A3E.7070302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A01A3E.7070302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSF6fW=4w18oSs9zAYD0H3ZW_e7EZOZb01D+o0KgAX+7JQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:17 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> Mine were from Jim McConnell too. I wonder if he (or someone) has got some
> kind of malware that's doing this.
>

his server farm.

Yes, Jim McDonnell has a farm.
And on that farm there is s spam.
EI-EI-O

:)


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Jul 13 01:04:49 2015
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 02:04:49 -0300
Subject: Custom Ask File Dialogs
Message-ID: <55A346F1.80807@howsoft.com>

Hi Ray,

The chooser widgets at the following link are certainly customizable:

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/runrev_stacks_index.htm

However, the coding of these widgets is quite complex, and when it is 
not your own, making alterations and extensions is not always that easy.

It might be worth a look though.

Regards,

Bob Warren




From runrev at vonfintel.org  Mon Jul 13 03:40:23 2015
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 09:40:23 +0200
Subject: Livecode server at Dreamhost
Message-ID: <81B0D2DC-5C08-40FC-BD40-898A0D0AB20C@vonfintel.org>

I have a working playground site on nosupportlinuxhosting.com that I want to transfer to a Dreamhost account.
The setup is:

|- lc
  |- test.lc
  |- .htaccess
|- cgi-bin
  |- livecode-community-server
  |- drivers
    |- ...
  |- externals
    |- ...

The .htaccess contains:
Options +ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
AddHandler livecode-script .lc
Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server

Permissions have been checked more than once.

I tried 64-bit and 32-bit versions of the server.

All I get is: 
"Not Found
The requested URL /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server/lc/test.lc was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."

What am I doing wrong?


Thanks for any hints
Thomas



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Mon Jul 13 04:06:14 2015
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:06:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Unusual list spam - caution
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSF6fW=4w18oSs9zAYD0H3ZW_e7EZOZb01D+o0KgAX+7JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A00D32.3040408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eOhtevy0s5kRHHzDjLSzp10YaFxwSXJimKw7+Sct6Jibg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A01A3E.7070302@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSF6fW=4w18oSs9zAYD0H3ZW_e7EZOZb01D+o0KgAX+7JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1436774774138-4693918.post@n4.nabble.com>

:)


Dr. Hawkins wrote
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:17 PM, J. Landman Gay &lt;

> jacque@

> &gt;
> wrote:
> 
>> Mine were from Jim McConnell too. I wonder if he (or someone) has got
>> some
>> kind of malware that's doing this.
>>
> 
> his server farm.
> 
> Yes, Jim McDonnell has a farm.
> And on that farm there is s spam.
> EI-EI-O
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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> use-livecode at .runrev

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From jana.doughty at livecode.com  Mon Jul 13 05:50:42 2015
From: jana.doughty at livecode.com (Jana Doughty)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:50:42 +0200
Subject: In Case You Missed It
Message-ID: <84dbbbd0f48a8bf5bb924a16857054a7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>

Hi LiveCode Community,

In case you missed it in your TGIF dance, here is a great blog post for
all the Android fans out there:

How to Design an App for Android:
http://livecode.com/how-to-design-an-app-for-android/

Thanks!

Jana




From sundown at pacifier.com  Mon Jul 13 14:53:57 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 11:53:57 -0700
Subject: In Case You Missed It
In-Reply-To: <84dbbbd0f48a8bf5bb924a16857054a7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
References: <84dbbbd0f48a8bf5bb924a16857054a7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4F14D5BE-4BA2-4B6B-AD41-0054046FFC9D@pacifier.com>

It looks good!  Thank you.

I have not developed any mobile apps
yet and this will really help a lot.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 13, 2015, at 2:50 AM, Jana Doughty <jana.doughty at livecode.com> wrote:

> Hi LiveCode Community,
> 
> In case you missed it in your TGIF dance, here is a great blog post for
> all the Android fans out there:
> 
> How to Design an App for Android:
> http://livecode.com/how-to-design-an-app-for-android/
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jana
> 
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Mon Jul 13 17:28:06 2015
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:28:06 -0400
Subject: UDP and livecode
Message-ID: <B4D786E9-15C5-474A-A3B6-E33C1B0AF688@siphonophore.com>

Hi folks,

I need to try out some UDP for communication with an AMX systems controller. HTTP posts are sometimes being processed very slowly by the AMX and hoping that the UDP might be faster.

Is there anywhere in the Livecode documentation that talks about UDP more directly? all ive found are some antidotal bits with socket commands. I realize its very similar, but would be helpful to see something that address all the various UDP stuff together with Livecode to make sure im not missing something here!

thanks mucho,

Jeff


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 19:35:24 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:35:24 +0800
Subject: Memory Management in LiveCode
Message-ID: <6B697E10-ED18-4B30-972D-54B95C105DA9@gmail.com>

The User Guide states the Memory Management is automatic but doesn?t explain how the engine actually manages memory. Does anybody know if it uses a type of reference counting or a garbage collector?

Regards

Peter




From alex at tweedly.org  Mon Jul 13 19:42:46 2015
From: alex at tweedly.org (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 00:42:46 +0100
Subject: UDP and livecode
In-Reply-To: <B4D786E9-15C5-474A-A3B6-E33C1B0AF688@siphonophore.com>
References: <B4D786E9-15C5-474A-A3B6-E33C1B0AF688@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <55A44CF6.9000709@tweedly.org>

Not exactly what you asked for, but I did a sample "UDP echo client" and 
"UDP echo server" sample stacks some years ago.

You can get them form
http://www.tweedly.org/showpage.lc?page=samples

(not been looked at (by me), far less re-tested on recent version of LC  
for years, so if you do run into any issues, please drop me an email).

-- Alex

On 13/07/2015 22:28, Jeff Reynolds wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I need to try out some UDP for communication with an AMX systems controller. HTTP posts are sometimes being processed very slowly by the AMX and hoping that the UDP might be faster.
>
> Is there anywhere in the Livecode documentation that talks about UDP more directly? all ive found are some antidotal bits with socket commands. I realize its very similar, but would be helpful to see something that address all the various UDP stuff together with Livecode to make sure im not missing something here!
>
> thanks mucho,
>
> Jeff
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From bruceap at comcast.net  Mon Jul 13 22:23:36 2015
From: bruceap at comcast.net (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:23:36 -0400
Subject: Livecode and "Extended Validation" SSL certificates and
	recursionlimit mystery!
In-Reply-To: <B1DAA1D1-5860-4454-85F4-BB8E1346816D@comcast.net>
References: <6818BE63-A66C-4686-B40A-C5465637D73D@comcast.net>
	<55A1196F.9050301@fourthworld.com>
	<B1DAA1D1-5860-4454-85F4-BB8E1346816D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C671401F-D149-4796-A54C-5F171DFF44F3@comcast.net>


> On Jul 11, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Bruce Pokras <bruceap at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 9:26 AM, Richard Gaskin <Ambassador at FourthWorld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Bruce Pokras wrote:
>> 
>>> Recently, the app's requests for the access token kept resulting in
>>> an error message. I tried a lot of differnt work-arounds. Nothing
>>> helped.
>>> 
>>> I finally posted my problem to an EPO forum for OPS users, and
>>> included the error message which at the time made no sense to me.
>>> From the response I received from OPS support, they had recently
>>> changed from conventional SSL certificates to new ?Extended
>>> Validation? SSL certificates. Could there be something about the
>>> Livecode implementation of https that is not compatible with these EV
>>> certificates? Does that make sense? Here is the error message:
>>> ---
>>> error -Error with certificate at depth: 1 issuer = /OU=GlobalSign
>>> Root CA - R2/O=GlobalSign/CN=GlobalSign subject = /C=BE/O=GlobalSign
>>> nv-sa/CN=GlobalSign Extended Validation CA - SHA256 - G2 err
>>> 7:certificate signature failure
>>> ?
>>> Once I knew this to be related to SSL, I added
>>> "libURLSetSSLVerification false? to the scripts. No more errors and
>>> the app receives the access token without any problem. However, I
>>> felt it might be useful to put this issue in front of this
>>> knowledgeable group as both a warning and as a seed for discusion.
>>> Why did Livecode work fine with the old SSL certificates, but does
>>> not with the EV certificates?
>> 
>> Thank you for posting that, Bruce.
>> 
>> I've seen a similar issue with an app I make that uses a similar cert on the server we use for storage,  but here the problem is intermittent so I've been reluctant to file a bug report until I can pin down a reliable recipe.
>> 
>> Is this issue consistently reproducible for you?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> ____________________________________________________________________
>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>> 
> 
> Over the past week there were a couple of short periods of time (about 5 minutes each) during which I was receiving the desired access token instead of the error. In fact, right now with multiple attempts with libURLSetSSLVerification set to ?true? it worked fine all but one time. Of course, I do not want to risk having even one failure when the fix is as easy as setting libURLSetSSLVerification to ?false?. (Oops, spoke too soon! Am now consistently getting the error again when libURLSetSSLVerification is set to ?true?).
> 
> One list member who e-mailed me directly suggested that it might be a Livecode version issue with 7.0.5 giving the error because it was using an older openssl but 7.0.6 was working fine. I am a dinosaur still using 6.0.2. I will see if 7.0.6 makes any difference for me.
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I started using 7.0.6 and with libURLSetSSLVerification is set to ?true? I have not received a single certificate error. In fact, I just did an almost simultaneous test of 6.0.2 and 7.0.6 and 6.0.2 gave the certificate error with every attempt to obtain an access token, while 7.0.6 successfully retrieved an access token on every attempt. So it looks like I am upgrading!

However, here is another mystery. The first time I opened the stack in 7.0.6 that had been developed under 6.0.2 I received an error message related to the ?openstack? command in the stack script. It said that the value to which I had set the recursionlimit property ?is not a number.? The value I used was 20000000. Looks like a number to me! (I am on a Mac, so the Windows issue does not effect me). I tried various numbers until I finally narrowed it down. Attempting to set the recursionlimit property to any number greater than 65535 gives me an error that that value is not a number. Also, setting the recursionlimit to a low number like 40 does not work as expected. After setting the recursionlimit property to 40 I typed ?put the recursionlimit? into the message box and hit ?return.? The number that it returned was in the high 30-thousands!

I checked the bug reports and nothing like the above to anomalies has been reported. At one time I needed a much higher recursionlimit than the default 400000, so that is why I am using such a high number. Is anyone else seeing this issue?

Regards,

Bruce Pokras
Blazing Dawn Software
www.blazingdawn.com


From heather at livecode.com  Tue Jul 14 04:12:58 2015
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:12:58 +0100
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>

Dear list folks,

Just to put this one to bed - the Founders package always was and will remain, 100GB storage. If you do not see that in your Founders account then there is either a reporting error or a setup error, both of which we will be happy to correct for you if you email us at the support address for on-rev: support at on-rev.com <mailto:support at on-rev.com> (or on-rev at runrev.com <mailto:on-rev at runrev.com> will also work). 

I do not think cPanel is reporting space usage correctly by the sound of it.

Regards,

Heather


Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 12 Jul 2015, at 05:29, Simon <simon at asato-media.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok I do have to admit that during the HTML5 crowdfunding I went with the
> "Lifetime Pro" and there was in the fine print that it meant 10 years. Now
> for me that indicated some sort of legal speak and that there was probably
> some enforceable case that 10 years could be deemed a lifetime. But then
> there is also the case of when I found the Enterprise edition was for $500K
> (or 50K? some revenue cap) or less on the website. Heather quickly had that
> fixed.  So that fine print may have been wrong.
> 
> Anyways, I like LiveCode Ltd. so not a big problem.
> 
> I wonder about the people who have 100 GB storage because though I can't
> find it, there was a post by Kevin when this came up before (during the move
> to France) that said we would retain our 50 GB and he'd get right on it.
> 
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Tue Jul 14 04:53:52 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:53:52 +0200
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] "language-livecode" 0.5.0 for Atom Editor
Message-ID: <fa170e6cc696d167740131ffe13f3cb0@livecode.com>

Hi all,

       == Atom language-livecode package 0.5.0 ==

The "language-livecode" package for the Atom editor (https://atom.io/) 
provides syntax highlighting and indentation support for editing 
LiveCode Builder (.lcb) and LiveCode Server (.lc / .irev) source files.

== Installation

Install the "language-livecode" package from the Atom user interface.

== Notable changes in 0.5.0

* Merged with the "revigniter-livecode" package for Atom
   * Added support for LiveCode server script files (`.lc` and `.irev`)

Thanks to Adam Robertson for converting LiveCode server support from the
original TextMate grammars.

== Reporting issues

Please report issues to 
https://github.com/peter-b/atom-language-livecode/issues




From peter.brett at livecode.com  Tue Jul 14 05:02:36 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 11:02:36 +0200
Subject: Memory Management in LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <6B697E10-ED18-4B30-972D-54B95C105DA9@gmail.com>
References: <6B697E10-ED18-4B30-972D-54B95C105DA9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1545c3c4a496490aeceafe54fbca20fe@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-14 01:35, Peter W A Wood wrote:
> The User Guide states the Memory Management is automatic but doesn?t
> explain how the engine actually manages memory. Does anybody know if
> it uses a type of reference counting or a garbage collector?

Hi Peter,

The engine uses automatic reference counting to manage memory.  There's 
no garbage collection.

                                              Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From david at viral.academy  Tue Jul 14 05:10:07 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:10:07 +0100
Subject: Persona Login in Livecode embedded browser?
Message-ID: <CAGASioMdKgd9zZV9_CKw3THoarxdNPbh5tt6UqzMDNiok_0TZA@mail.gmail.com>

I want to be able to login to a web site that uses Mozilla Persona using
Livecode Browser.

The problem I have is that the Persona login opens another frame, and when
I click on the login button in Livecode broswer I don't get any messages
sent I can trap for. The href="#" link on the persona-login-btn would
appear to be handled by a Javascript library.

This opens a new tab that handles the login, before this tab is closed and
the session cookie is set. It's hard to debug with all the jumping around,
but i don't really need to go into the details - what I need to do is be
able to get the Livecode browser to sign in - then I have the cookie and I
am good to go.

For that I need to handle the window opening and allow Persona to log me in
from Livecode browser.

Has anyone done this, or have any tips with regard to similar issues?


The only message I can get is:

browserBeforeNavigateFrame "1","
https://login.persona.org/communication_iframe"

NB - my aim is to grab the session cookie at the end of the login process
to enable me to make authenticated calls from Livecode to automate certain
interaction through http calls.


From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Tue Jul 14 07:09:31 2015
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 04:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] "language-livecode" 0.5.0 for Atom Editor
In-Reply-To: <fa170e6cc696d167740131ffe13f3cb0@livecode.com>
References: <fa170e6cc696d167740131ffe13f3cb0@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <1436872171411-4693929.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Peter,

Fantastic news, thanks.

All we need now is a way to hook the Atom editor into LiveCode for live
editing and debugging.
 



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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 07:17:21 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:17:21 +0800
Subject: Memory Management in LiveCode
Message-ID: <j5twvwrdheupvpnbxsmyi7fb.1436872641668@email.android.com>

Many thanks Peter. That's a big plus for LiveCode in the mobile market. I wonder why it isn't stressed on the website?

Regards

Peter

Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:

>On 2015-07-14 01:35, Peter W A Wood wrote:
>> The User Guide states the Memory Management is automatic but doesn?t
>> explain how the engine actually manages memory. Does anybody know if
>> it uses a type of reference counting or a garbage collector?
>
>Hi Peter,
>
>The engine uses automatic reference counting to manage memory.? There's 
>no garbage collection.
>
>????????????????????????????????????????????? Peter
>
>-- 
>Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
>LiveCode Engine Development Team
>
>
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Jul 14 09:13:31 2015
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:13:31 +0200
Subject: Proxies driving me crazy...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1436608802.27797.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1436608802.27797.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5828D7BE-A654-4820-BFE0-6422CBD8E538@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

I just came back from a client where an app of mine is forced to either communicate through a proxy, or not, depending on the URL that is being provided.

While this used to work in previous versions of the engine under windows, it no longer does:

? quotes are taken over by email client. are always upper quotes
set the httpProxy to empty
get URL "http://idonotneedaproxy.com <http://idonotneedaproxy.com/>?
set the httpProxy to tProxy ? defined elsewhere and valid
get URL ?http://ineedaproxy.com <ttp://ineedaproxy.com>?

With a (semi) current engine (6.7.3) this fails. it always tries to communicate through the proxy. However if I do something like this:

set the httpProxy to ?127.0.0.1:80"
get URL "http://idonotneedaproxy.com <http://idonotneedaproxy.com/>?
set the httpProxy to empty
get URL "http://idonotneedaproxy.com <http://idonotneedaproxy.com/>?
set the httpProxy to tProxy ? defined elsewhere and valid
get URL ? <ttp://ineedaproxy.com>http://ineedaproxy.com? <http://ineedaproxy.com%e2%80%9c/>

It works??? The first get with 127.0.0.1:80 as a proxy fails, but then the empty one works???

Can somebody please enlighten me why? I know some version of libURL introduced automatic picking up from the registry on Win, however that seems to fail, as the exceptions defined there are not honoured? This is really causing me a lot of lost hair.

Best,

Malte



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 14 11:05:34 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:05:34 +0000
Subject: mySql to sqLite conversion
Message-ID: <F9212A37-E2AA-42C5-9608-1A4F3038F8A1@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all.

I came across this: http://livecode.byu.edu/database/mysql-sqliteExport.php

Having a need to do this, I am wondering if this is done via a livecode stack, or some other way. If a livecode stack, is it something I can get access to? I am attempting an offline mode for my application as often I need to access my database in places that are strictly locked down. The idea would be to load a subset of the data I need before going onsite, then move that data to a temporary sqLite database, and sync back when I am done. 

Bob S





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 11:38:03 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:38:03 -0600
Subject: Proxies driving me crazy...
In-Reply-To: <5828D7BE-A654-4820-BFE0-6422CBD8E538@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.3.1436608802.27797.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<5828D7BE-A654-4820-BFE0-6422CBD8E538@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrEfpjiXXK0FA+yE=vx27Ad9P3ZTK83jc=RKYXBeHAQ8g@mail.gmail.com>

If a system wide proxy is set, using the newer method (if I recall
correctly) setting the httpProxy to empty should override the use of the
system proxy.
The thing is, I don't remember if setting the httpProxy is one of those..
"It works for this handler then resets" types of settings.  If thats the
case, you might try breaking out your calls into "need a proxy" and "don't
need a proxy" handlers.
Then dispatch a message to whichever you need and set the httpproxy in the
"don't need" to empty.

The other leave alone and see if it will pick up the system proxy. If
setting the httpProxy is persistent, then you'd have to set the proxy for
each type. Empty (as you are in your last example) and to the correct
setting for the other.

Setting it to 127.0.0.1:80 shouldn't work unless your have the local system
set up as a proxy server. If not, it'd have no clue what to do with it.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 7:13 AM, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just came back from a client where an app of mine is forced to either
> communicate through a proxy, or not, depending on the URL that is being
> provided.
>
> While this used to work in previous versions of the engine under windows,
> it no longer does:
>
> ? quotes are taken over by email client. are always upper quotes
> set the httpProxy to empty
> get URL "http://idonotneedaproxy.com <http://idonotneedaproxy.com/>?
> set the httpProxy to tProxy ? defined elsewhere and valid
> get URL ?http://ineedaproxy.com <ttp://ineedaproxy.com>?
>
> With a (semi) current engine (6.7.3) this fails. it always tries to
> communicate through the proxy. However if I do something like this:
>
> set the httpProxy to ?127.0.0.1:80"
> get URL "http://idonotneedaproxy.com <http://idonotneedaproxy.com/>?
> set the httpProxy to empty
> get URL "http://idonotneedaproxy.com <http://idonotneedaproxy.com/>?
> set the httpProxy to tProxy ? defined elsewhere and valid
> get URL ? <ttp://ineedaproxy.com>http://ineedaproxy.com? <
> http://ineedaproxy.com%e2%80%9c/>
>
> It works??? The first get with 127.0.0.1:80 as a proxy fails, but then
> the empty one works???
>
> Can somebody please enlighten me why? I know some version of libURL
> introduced automatic picking up from the registry on Win, however that
> seems to fail, as the exceptions defined there are not honoured? This is
> really causing me a lot of lost hair.
>
> Best,
>
> Malte
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 11:47:51 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 09:47:51 -0600
Subject: Persona Login in Livecode embedded browser?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioMdKgd9zZV9_CKw3THoarxdNPbh5tt6UqzMDNiok_0TZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioMdKgd9zZV9_CKw3THoarxdNPbh5tt6UqzMDNiok_0TZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpLSnZzQsBGcJHg_Rb_ygEHUSOSB12UunUctNaZScAMEg@mail.gmail.com>

You might look here:
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23100&p=119778&hilit=browsernewurlwindow#p119778

Ite talks about using revbrowsernewurlwindow at first, but thenends up
using browserbefornavigate to get the job done. Hope this helps.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 3:10 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> I want to be able to login to a web site that uses Mozilla Persona using
> Livecode Browser.
>
> The problem I have is that the Persona login opens another frame, and when
> I click on the login button in Livecode broswer I don't get any messages
> sent I can trap for. The href="#" link on the persona-login-btn would
> appear to be handled by a Javascript library.
>
> This opens a new tab that handles the login, before this tab is closed and
> the session cookie is set. It's hard to debug with all the jumping around,
> but i don't really need to go into the details - what I need to do is be
> able to get the Livecode browser to sign in - then I have the cookie and I
> am good to go.
>
> For that I need to handle the window opening and allow Persona to log me in
> from Livecode browser.
>
> Has anyone done this, or have any tips with regard to similar issues?
>
>
> The only message I can get is:
>
> browserBeforeNavigateFrame "1","
> https://login.persona.org/communication_iframe"
>
> NB - my aim is to grab the session cookie at the end of the login process
> to enable me to make authenticated calls from Livecode to automate certain
> interaction through http calls.
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Jul 14 11:54:23 2015
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:54:23 +0200
Subject: Proxies driving me crazy...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6648.1436889149.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.6648.1436889149.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CE3F9A40-1B26-47A4-A896-D3449C6DC840@derbrill.de>

Hi Mike,

thanks for your reply.

I tried leaving it alone first. Then the engine picks up the proxy from somewhere but it does not pick up the exceptions it seems, at least not from the registry entry I looked at. Maybe I am looking at the wrong thing. It would be helpful if it were documented how it works. Maybe it is and I am unable to find that too... Setting to empty has no effect, unless I first do the 127.0.0.1:80 thing which is rather strange. After that however, setting the proxy to empty works just fine, as if there was some magic switch that got triggered.

That said, I wonder why empty and an explicit proxy setting is not honoured. Clearly the machine does not do what I tell it. :-( Maybe empty confuses the automatic picking up, but then maybe we need a new keyword like none, so we can switch under scripted control?

The crux is I seldomly get access to the machines the software runs on, as this is a governmental institution and appointments shall be made with the almighty admin, who always is a little suspicios of the stuff that is executed on the machines?

*sigh*

Thanks anyway!

Malte


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Jul 14 11:56:13 2015
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:56:13 +0000
Subject: mySql to sqLite conversion
In-Reply-To: <F9212A37-E2AA-42C5-9608-1A4F3038F8A1@iotecdigital.com>
References: <F9212A37-E2AA-42C5-9608-1A4F3038F8A1@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8531F302-060F-4EBD-A999-87EF696E318B@byu.edu>


On Jul 14, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I came across this: http://livecode.byu.edu/database/mysql-sqliteExport.php
> 
> Having a need to do this, I am wondering if this is done via a livecode stack, or some other way. If a livecode stack, is it something I can get access to? I am attempting an offline mode for my application as often I need to access my database in places that are strictly locked down. The idea would be to load a subset of the data I need before going onsite, then move that data to a temporary sqLite database, and sync back when I am done. 

Bob,

It?s just a description of the manual process I have used to export a database from MySQL and import it into SQLite, compiled for the benefit of my students when they were learning about online vs. local database management systems. It?s not perfect, and I have no doubt that others out there have come up with better, more automated ways to do it. 

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From runrev at vonfintel.org  Tue Jul 14 14:42:39 2015
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:42:39 +0200
Subject: Livecode server at Dreamhost
In-Reply-To: <81B0D2DC-5C08-40FC-BD40-898A0D0AB20C@vonfintel.org>
References: <81B0D2DC-5C08-40FC-BD40-898A0D0AB20C@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <74021D90-37B4-4B12-8A42-36AD79A980C7@vonfintel.org>

Fiddling with things I finally found a solution. 

In case someone is interested, the new setup is (The numbers in brackets show permissions):

|- cgi-bin (775)
   |- .htaccess (644)
   |- test.lc (644)
   |- livecode-community-server.cgi (775)
   |- drivers (755)
       |- ... (664)
   |- externals (775)
       |- ... (664)

The .htaccess now contains:

AddHandler livecode-script .lc
Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server.cgi

Now http://mydomain.com/cgi-bin/test.lc returns the right output of test.lc
This works with livecode-community-server 7.0.5

I didn't try every combination, but it seems I had to change three things:

1. Put a ".cgi" after the engines name, change the .htaccess file accordingly.
2. Put the script test.lc into the cgi-bin folder.
3. Drop the first line of the .htaccess file


Is it necessary to put the script into the cgi-bin folder? How can you put it into another folder to avoid clutter?
I wonder ...
 
Thomas



Am 13.07.2015 um 09:40 schrieb Thomas von Fintel:

> I have a working playground site on nosupportlinuxhosting.com that I want to transfer to a Dreamhost account.
> The setup is:
> 
> |- lc
>  |- test.lc
>  |- .htaccess
> |- cgi-bin
>  |- livecode-community-server
>  |- drivers
>    |- ...
>  |- externals
>    |- ...
> 
> The .htaccess contains:
> Options +ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
> AddHandler livecode-script .lc
> Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server
> 
> Permissions have been checked more than once.
> 
> I tried 64-bit and 32-bit versions of the server.
> 
> All I get is: 
> "Not Found
> The requested URL /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server/lc/test.lc was not found on this server.
> 
> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> 
> Thanks for any hints
> Thomas
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 14 14:57:59 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:57:59 -0500
Subject: Livecode and "Extended Validation" SSL certificates and
	recursionlimit mystery!
In-Reply-To: <C671401F-D149-4796-A54C-5F171DFF44F3@comcast.net>
References: <6818BE63-A66C-4686-B40A-C5465637D73D@comcast.net>	<55A1196F.9050301@fourthworld.com>	<B1DAA1D1-5860-4454-85F4-BB8E1346816D@comcast.net>
	<C671401F-D149-4796-A54C-5F171DFF44F3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <55A55BB7.9030407@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/13/2015 9:23 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:
> The first time I opened the stack in 7.0.6 that had been developed
> under 6.0.2 I received an error message related to the ?openstack?
> command in the stack script. It said that the value to which I had
> set the recursionlimit property ?is not a number.? The value I used
> was 20000000. Looks like a number to me! (I am on a Mac, so the
> Windows issue does not effect me). I tried various numbers until I
> finally narrowed it down. Attempting to set the recursionlimit
> property to any number greater than 65535 gives me an error that that
> value is not a number. Also, setting the recursionlimit to a low
> number like 40 does not work as expected. After setting the
> recursionlimit property to 40 I typed ?put the recursionlimit? into
> the message box and hit ?return.? The number that it returned was in
> the high 30-thousands!


I'm not sure about the 30,000 issue, but 65535 is the upper limit for a 
16-bit number. It may be that earlier versions of LC just didn't throw 
any errors if you exceeded that.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/65535_(number)>
"65535 occurs frequently in the field of computing because it is the 
highest number which can be represented by an unsigned 16-bit binary 
number. Some computer programming environments may have predefined 
constant values representing 65535, with names like MAX_UNSIGNED_SHORT."


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Jul 14 15:47:27 2015
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:47:27 -0700
Subject: Livecode server at Dreamhost
In-Reply-To: <74021D90-37B4-4B12-8A42-36AD79A980C7@vonfintel.org>
References: <81B0D2DC-5C08-40FC-BD40-898A0D0AB20C@vonfintel.org>
	<74021D90-37B4-4B12-8A42-36AD79A980C7@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+6O7z3QV6bUHUD7E5aJPG1aM036M4u_5wumM4bn34-DQ@mail.gmail.com>

sorry, I should have responded earlier.

you should not have to put any scripts into the cgi folder, and they would
not be usable from web pages.

in my configuration, I've used TWO .htaccess files

this one at domain root (top of web space)

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Options +ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
AddHandler livecode-script .lc .irev
DirectoryIndex index.irev index.lc index.php index.html
Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-server/livecode-server
-------------------------------------------------------------------

this one inside the cgi-bin directory

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Options ExecCGI
SetHandler cgi-script
-------------------------------------------------------------------

permissions must be set in a certain way and downloaded zips may not be
when extracted.
this works for me at Dreamhost. Note that this allows PHP and Livecode
scripts to co-exist, just use the appropriate suffix and code according to
the languages' requirements.

LIVECODE SERVER PERMISSIONS THAT WORK AT DREAMHOST
<http://media.barncard.com/downloads/LIVECODE_SERVER_SETUP.pdf>



--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Thomas von Fintel <runrev at vonfintel.org>
wrote:

> Fiddling with things I finally found a solution.
>
> In case someone is interested, the new setup is (The numbers in brackets
> show permissions):
>
> |- cgi-bin (775)
>    |- .htaccess (644)
>    |- test.lc (644)
>    |- livecode-community-server.cgi (775)
>    |- drivers (755)
>        |- ... (664)
>    |- externals (775)
>        |- ... (664)
>
> The .htaccess now contains:
>
> AddHandler livecode-script .lc
> Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server.cgi
>
> Now http://mydomain.com/cgi-bin/test.lc returns the right output of
> test.lc
> This works with livecode-community-server 7.0.5
>
> I didn't try every combination, but it seems I had to change three things:
>
> 1. Put a ".cgi" after the engines name, change the .htaccess file
> accordingly.
> 2. Put the script test.lc into the cgi-bin folder.
> 3. Drop the first line of the .htaccess file
>
>
> Is it necessary to put the script into the cgi-bin folder? How can you put
> it into another folder to avoid clutter?
> I wonder ...
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
> Am 13.07.2015 um 09:40 schrieb Thomas von Fintel:
>
> > I have a working playground site on nosupportlinuxhosting.com that I
> want to transfer to a Dreamhost account.
> > The setup is:
> >
> > |- lc
> >  |- test.lc
> >  |- .htaccess
> > |- cgi-bin
> >  |- livecode-community-server
> >  |- drivers
> >    |- ...
> >  |- externals
> >    |- ...
> >
> > The .htaccess contains:
> > Options +ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
> > AddHandler livecode-script .lc
> > Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server
> >
> > Permissions have been checked more than once.
> >
> > I tried 64-bit and 32-bit versions of the server.
> >
> > All I get is:
> > "Not Found
> > The requested URL /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server/lc/test.lc was not
> found on this server.
> >
> > Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use
> an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
> >
> > What am I doing wrong?
> >
> >
> > Thanks for any hints
> > Thomas
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Jul 14 16:54:08 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 13:54:08 -0700
Subject: Code signing a standAlone App Confusion
In-Reply-To: <413840CB-8069-47E2-9F87-E02B509A1A19@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <65E45BF2-84EE-4CC4-AF09-BAE7B3301B1C@earthednet.org>
	<413840CB-8069-47E2-9F87-E02B509A1A19@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <CBDF8F49-86DE-4B1F-B56F-88D7178CC923@earthednet.org>

Doublethanks,
Bill

> On Jul 12, 2015, at 2:06 PM, Scott Morrow <scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> Trevor DeVore has a tutorial here:
> 
> <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/s/revolution/m/10695>
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2015, at 8:54 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> Is there a ?Tutorial for Dummies? that walks one through the process of creating and code-signing a Livecode stand-alone application? The Apple Developers website does this, but between XCode and the Developer?s web site, and downloading and uploading certificates and provisioning profiles, with all of the settings that have to match up, I?m really confused. Perhaps it?s just the end of the day. 
>> 
>> If there is a good tutorial, please reply with a link. If not, I?ll yank up my shorts, take a deep breath and start in on the Apple Documentation (which, by the way, isn?t always the way that will work with Livecode. I found that out with iOS apps).
>> 
>> ALSO: has anybody successfully used AppWrapper 3 with LC 7.0.6, XCode 6.4, on OSX 10.
>> 10.4?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any info, encouragement, etc.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill Prothero
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>> 
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From david at viral.academy  Tue Jul 14 18:33:50 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:33:50 +0100
Subject: Persona Login in Livecode embedded browser?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpLSnZzQsBGcJHg_Rb_ygEHUSOSB12UunUctNaZScAMEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioMdKgd9zZV9_CKw3THoarxdNPbh5tt6UqzMDNiok_0TZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpLSnZzQsBGcJHg_Rb_ygEHUSOSB12UunUctNaZScAMEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioM768+RQtk0AqzYp9DzzdWmppURQZtnLxiTonze+yxPqw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mike - but I'm not getting any of those messages - nor can I right
click on the browser and get a menu (CEF).

On 14 July 2015 at 16:47, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> You might look here:
>
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23100&p=119778&hilit=browsernewurlwindow#p119778
>
> Ite talks about using revbrowsernewurlwindow at first, but thenends up
> using browserbefornavigate to get the job done. Hope this helps.
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 3:10 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>
> > I want to be able to login to a web site that uses Mozilla Persona using
> > Livecode Browser.
> >
> > The problem I have is that the Persona login opens another frame, and
> when
> > I click on the login button in Livecode broswer I don't get any messages
> > sent I can trap for. The href="#" link on the persona-login-btn would
> > appear to be handled by a Javascript library.
> >
> > This opens a new tab that handles the login, before this tab is closed
> and
> > the session cookie is set. It's hard to debug with all the jumping
> around,
> > but i don't really need to go into the details - what I need to do is be
> > able to get the Livecode browser to sign in - then I have the cookie and
> I
> > am good to go.
> >
> > For that I need to handle the window opening and allow Persona to log me
> in
> > from Livecode browser.
> >
> > Has anyone done this, or have any tips with regard to similar issues?
> >
> >
> > The only message I can get is:
> >
> > browserBeforeNavigateFrame "1","
> > https://login.persona.org/communication_iframe"
> >
> > NB - my aim is to grab the session cookie at the end of the login process
> > to enable me to make authenticated calls from Livecode to automate
> certain
> > interaction through http calls.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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> >
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From david at viral.academy  Tue Jul 14 18:38:42 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 23:38:42 +0100
Subject: revHHTP
In-Reply-To: <CAF3jwTnR2b+_1DNuajU3o6+be5o412epXb4J6kxP6EkC92qaTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEA0Pwyzaa8yyjzL8_tU7VcF1KMF8tKTewX-VUuSSce_7HCrGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<545661ED.1050708@fourthworld.com>
	<CAEA0PwwefCUNeoO+Q=EKCQbjG-fEt+6OgPeqcXNUN9Eb-GMGXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioM+Xf9k5PHacPbLv3TOLdXutHYR2zB_FHX_SKNeh+vogQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEA0Pwz7dC9ys0=uOvaUcUsag3WhLK6O0km_+HwtGLcO=cW=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioO=C2=4O1qaxXLJFgQBfHgKy7HftA7h85oWgBwAq_wNNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEA0Pwy93d=HSE5GzqPA5gKJwArS+wFZT6iM+qg6BEBoEExgOQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioNLHOpKHHTyAwDmpQ-3t6-843wLvrn-41jWT8tMP9Lxhg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEA0PwzGvojkRRXiUJ0UUyjmjcHwAh8QRJiknfeQnUFFNqhV3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEA0PwyebkKyRuH+v5b+2SXb1yOREwNbxGK5xSe5nD2HhzTsvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5DEDFBB6-2338-4C92-B855-4178066B48B2@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAF3jwTnR2b+_1DNuajU3o6+be5o412epXb4J6kxP6EkC92qaTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioPioGbPNYrJP74qe6vSABTw8UfM=PoucVBNKZY0UNWO7w@mail.gmail.com>

OK - I've been experimenting most of the day with running Livecode as a
server daemon (not as a cgi). It's a bit problematic and I am trying to
track down bugs.

One issue is that the server does not seem to respond well when it is in
the background - so when I move over to a browser and ping the server it
freezes until I bring the server-stack to the front.

Any thoughts? Did this happen with earlier versions?


On 6 November 2014 at 21:37, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:

> Friends,
>
> I haven't touched this in ages. I have a couple gigs on a folder called
> "RunRev Source" here and there was a RevHTTP folder there. There is a lot
> of non-working half baked goodies in that folder but I think that the main
> httpd.rev file should work ok.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0636wl30z4btg1u/RevHTTP.zip?dl=0
>
> Have fun and send me feedback.
>
> Also, a disclaimer: You should not host any public facing thing using this
> server. Its a research, hobbie, toy thing. It can't answer more than one
> request at a time and this will kill things for public access. Even so,
> people have used this or variations of this source in production for their
> internal stuff and were happy with it.
>
> My advise: Go with nginx + livecodeserver.
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Monte Goulding <
> monte at sweattechnologies.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > On 5 Nov 2014, at 7:02 am, Todd Geist <todd at geistinteractive.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I put the code on github
> > >
> > > https://github.com/toddgeist/lchttpd
> >
> > Yay for another FOSS lcVCS project on GitHub! If we keep this up the
> Ohloh
> > folks might eventually get around to merging in my pull request adding
> > livecode as a recognised language ;-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Monte
> >
> > --
> > M E R Goulding
> > Software development services
> > Bespoke application development for vertical markets
> >
> > mergExt - There's an external for that!
> >
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>
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 18:47:25 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:47:25 -0600
Subject: Persona Login in Livecode embedded browser?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioM768+RQtk0AqzYp9DzzdWmppURQZtnLxiTonze+yxPqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioMdKgd9zZV9_CKw3THoarxdNPbh5tt6UqzMDNiok_0TZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpLSnZzQsBGcJHg_Rb_ygEHUSOSB12UunUctNaZScAMEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioM768+RQtk0AqzYp9DzzdWmppURQZtnLxiTonze+yxPqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoLVE2Wt22Jso35sjvHbk2SCMMWCTpwMiR4iheGY1wPrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, but you do get the message mentioned.. Does it work to pop up a stack
and open a browser instance using the passed URL, which should (I think)
set your cookie and session information.  At which point you can close the
secondary instance and (probably) be good to go. (Just a guess, i'm reading
up on persona now. )  I don't know if it will work across browser
instances, while ignoring the fact that its trying to pop up an iframe.
All you can do is try.

If I had a site to test it on, i'd set up persona here.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 4:33 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> Thanks Mike - but I'm not getting any of those messages - nor can I right
> click on the browser and get a menu (CEF).
>
> On 14 July 2015 at 16:47, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You might look here:
> >
> >
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23100&p=119778&hilit=browsernewurlwindow#p119778
> >
> > Ite talks about using revbrowsernewurlwindow at first, but thenends up
> > using browserbefornavigate to get the job done. Hope this helps.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 3:10 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I want to be able to login to a web site that uses Mozilla Persona
> using
> > > Livecode Browser.
> > >
> > > The problem I have is that the Persona login opens another frame, and
> > when
> > > I click on the login button in Livecode broswer I don't get any
> messages
> > > sent I can trap for. The href="#" link on the persona-login-btn would
> > > appear to be handled by a Javascript library.
> > >
> > > This opens a new tab that handles the login, before this tab is closed
> > and
> > > the session cookie is set. It's hard to debug with all the jumping
> > around,
> > > but i don't really need to go into the details - what I need to do is
> be
> > > able to get the Livecode browser to sign in - then I have the cookie
> and
> > I
> > > am good to go.
> > >
> > > For that I need to handle the window opening and allow Persona to log
> me
> > in
> > > from Livecode browser.
> > >
> > > Has anyone done this, or have any tips with regard to similar issues?
> > >
> > >
> > > The only message I can get is:
> > >
> > > browserBeforeNavigateFrame "1","
> > > https://login.persona.org/communication_iframe"
> > >
> > > NB - my aim is to grab the session cookie at the end of the login
> process
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From bruceap at comcast.net  Tue Jul 14 20:06:16 2015
From: bruceap at comcast.net (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:06:16 -0400
Subject: recursionlimit mystery!
In-Reply-To: <55A55BB7.9030407@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <6818BE63-A66C-4686-B40A-C5465637D73D@comcast.net>
	<55A1196F.9050301@fourthworld.com>
	<B1DAA1D1-5860-4454-85F4-BB8E1346816D@comcast.net>
	<C671401F-D149-4796-A54C-5F171DFF44F3@comcast.net>
	<55A55BB7.9030407@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <33603BA7-48DC-4A59-B95E-7E0AB3B88667@comcast.net>


> On Jul 14, 2015, at 2:57 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/13/2015 9:23 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:
>> The first time I opened the stack in 7.0.6 that had been developed
>> under 6.0.2 I received an error message related to the ?openstack?
>> command in the stack script. It said that the value to which I had
>> set the recursionlimit property ?is not a number.? The value I used
>> was 20000000. Looks like a number to me! (I am on a Mac, so the
>> Windows issue does not effect me). I tried various numbers until I
>> finally narrowed it down. Attempting to set the recursionlimit
>> property to any number greater than 65535 gives me an error that that
>> value is not a number. Also, setting the recursionlimit to a low
>> number like 40 does not work as expected. After setting the
>> recursionlimit property to 40 I typed ?put the recursionlimit? into
>> the message box and hit ?return.? The number that it returned was in
>> the high 30-thousands!
> 
> 
> I'm not sure about the 30,000 issue, but 65535 is the upper limit for a 16-bit number. It may be that earlier versions of LC just didn't throw any errors if you exceeded that.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/65535_(number)>
> "65535 occurs frequently in the field of computing because it is the highest number which can be represented by an unsigned 16-bit binary number. Some computer programming environments may have predefined constant values representing 65535, with names like MAX_UNSIGNED_SHORT."
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 

Jacque, the default value of the recursionlimit property is 400000. So it can be more than 65535 so long as you do not try to set it separately. I know from experience, when I created an app that maxed out the default 400000 due to too much recursion, that setting it higher (20000000 in my case) actually did do something. The app worked fine after that.

I?m going to submit a bug report and see what happens (if anything).


From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Jul 14 20:10:03 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:10:03 -0400
Subject: recursionlimit mystery!
In-Reply-To: <33603BA7-48DC-4A59-B95E-7E0AB3B88667@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <14e8f0bf983-7aac-f418@webprd-m52.mail.aol.com>

I thought the recursion limit was 40,000, not 400,000.


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Pokras <bruceap at comcast.net>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 14, 2015 8:07 pm
Subject: Re: recursionlimit mystery!



> On Jul 14, 2015, at 2:57 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:
> 
> On 7/13/2015 9:23 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:
>> The first time I opened
the stack in 7.0.6 that had been developed
>> under 6.0.2 I received an error
message related to the ?openstack?
>> command in the stack script. It said that
the value to which I had
>> set the recursionlimit property ?is not a number.?
The value I used
>> was 20000000. Looks like a number to me! (I am on a Mac, so
the
>> Windows issue does not effect me). I tried various numbers until I
>>
finally narrowed it down. Attempting to set the recursionlimit
>> property to
any number greater than 65535 gives me an error that that
>> value is not a
number. Also, setting the recursionlimit to a low
>> number like 40 does not
work as expected. After setting the
>> recursionlimit property to 40 I typed
?put the recursionlimit? into
>> the message box and hit ?return.? The number
that it returned was in
>> the high 30-thousands!
> 
> 
> I'm not sure about the
30,000 issue, but 65535 is the upper limit for a 16-bit number. It may be that
earlier versions of LC just didn't throw any errors if you exceeded that.
> 
>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/65535_(number)>
> "65535 occurs frequently in the
field of computing because it is the highest number which can be represented by
an unsigned 16-bit binary number. Some computer programming environments may
have predefined constant values representing 65535, with names like
MAX_UNSIGNED_SHORT."
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |    
jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |    
http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 

Jacque, the default value of the
recursionlimit property is 400000. So it can be more than 65535 so long as you
do not try to set it separately. I know from experience, when I created an app
that maxed out the default 400000 due to too much recursion, that setting it
higher (20000000 in my case) actually did do something. The app worked fine
after that.

I?m going to submit a bug report and see what happens (if
anything).
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 20:23:55 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:23:55 +0800
Subject: Programatically complete an answer dialog ?
Message-ID: <45F53588-0F50-42FB-81E4-1B54ABCED749@gmail.com>

I have a stack which requests the user to enter some text into an answer dialog. I am trying to test that stack from another stack. Is there a way to programatically enter text into an answer dialog?

Another way of asking this question is: Is an answer dialog simply a stack? If so, does anybody know the name of the stack and the name of the text field? (I can guess the name of the button would be the label displayed on them).

Regards

Peter


From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Jul 14 20:45:36 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 20:45:36 -0400
Subject: Programatically complete an answer dialog ?
In-Reply-To: <45F53588-0F50-42FB-81E4-1B54ABCED749@gmail.com>
References: <45F53588-0F50-42FB-81E4-1B54ABCED749@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14e8f2c86b0-7aac-f6a3@webprd-m52.mail.aol.com>

Yep, everything is a stack. The answer dialog is:



revanswerdialog.rev


Make a new card. Put a button and a field on it. In the button script:


on mouseUp
   answer "Hmmm"
end mouseUp


on mouseEnter
   put the stacks into fld 1
end mouseEnter


Open the message watcher, and for heaven's sake, suppress IDE messages. Click the button, and move the mouse around a bit, including into and out of the dialog and back to the card and its controls 


Now I don't know why "mouseEnter" and "mouseLeave" are sent in this condition, that is, with the dialog open, and almost nothing else is. Well, I do know. It is because that is the way the thing is built.


But maybe there is a clue here?


Craig Newman




-----Original Message-----

From: Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 14, 2015 8:24 pm
Subject: Programatically complete an answer dialog ?


I have a stack which requests the user to enter some text into an answer dialog.
I am trying to test that stack from another stack. Is there a way to
programatically enter text into an answer dialog?

Another way of asking this
question is: Is an answer dialog simply a stack? If so, does anybody know the
name of the stack and the name of the text field? (I can guess the name of the
button would be the label displayed on
them).

Regards

Peter
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 14 22:35:00 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 19:35:00 -0700
Subject: recursionlimit mystery!
In-Reply-To: <33603BA7-48DC-4A59-B95E-7E0AB3B88667@comcast.net>
References: <33603BA7-48DC-4A59-B95E-7E0AB3B88667@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <55A5C6D4.1040101@fourthworld.com>

Bruce, I'm curious: what are you doing that requires so much recursion?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
  ____________________________________________________________
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 01:21:59 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 13:21:59 +0800
Subject: [BUG] HTMLText <H5> incorrectly converted
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kgO2FZWkvJodo5Sc4vWc9YpTH2NQF+D9R6r2PnjgK5Tqg@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

I recently added bug 15599 which reads as:

-----------------------

Create a New Stack
Place a Scrolling Field (7.0.6) or Text Area (8.0 dp2) on it and enlarge it
to fill the stack.
In the Message Box enter:

set the textFont of fld 1 to "Arial" --must use a font with italics
set the fixedLineHeight of fld 1 to false
repeat with x = 1 to 6
put "<H" & x & ">" into tHead
put "</H" & x & ">" into tTail
set the htmlText of line x of fld 1 to tHead & "This is Heading " & x &
tTail
end repeat
put the htmlText of fld 1

You'll note that in the field only Heading 5 is in italics and if you check
the HTMLText output Heading 5 is the only one to include the <i></i> tags.

When converting <H5> to LCs <p><b><font size... equivalent, the <i></i>
tags should not be included.

-----------------------

As usual the mothership responded swiftly but slightly differently than
expected. Mark indicated that <H5> has always converted to italics and so
has closed the report. No I don't know if 'always' means always for
Revolution, always back to MetaCard, always back to HyperCard or always for
xTalk languages. So I'm just wondering if anyone here would know the
history about this and why only <H5> has been singled out to appear
differently in LC than it does in a Browser.

I assume changing it now would have consequences for some people's legacy
code.

I added a comment that maybe the Dictionary needs to highlight this anomaly.

If you consider <H5> in LC should look like <H5> in a Browser then you may
wish to add comments to 15599.

For me, I just need to write a little handler for <H5> that will go back
and remove the <i></i> tags so that my LC field is identical to the Browser
equivalent. Not a hard thing to do in LC ;-)


From runrev at vonfintel.org  Wed Jul 15 01:56:34 2015
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:56:34 +0200
Subject: Livecode server at Dreamhost
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfH+6O7z3QV6bUHUD7E5aJPG1aM036M4u_5wumM4bn34-DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <81B0D2DC-5C08-40FC-BD40-898A0D0AB20C@vonfintel.org>
	<74021D90-37B4-4B12-8A42-36AD79A980C7@vonfintel.org>
	<CAFmQfH+6O7z3QV6bUHUD7E5aJPG1aM036M4u_5wumM4bn34-DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1C140A9C-F1D4-4582-98C5-7F4EA982820D@vonfintel.org>

Thanks a lot!

What I missed was the part of having different htaccess files in root and cgi directory.

Thomas


Am 14.07.2015 um 21:47 schrieb stephen barncard:

> sorry, I should have responded earlier.
> 
> you should not have to put any scripts into the cgi folder, and they would
> not be usable from web pages.
> 
> in my configuration, I've used TWO .htaccess files
> 
> this one at domain root (top of web space)
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Options +ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
> AddHandler livecode-script .lc .irev
> DirectoryIndex index.irev index.lc index.php index.html
> Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-server/livecode-server
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> this one inside the cgi-bin directory
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Options ExecCGI
> SetHandler cgi-script
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> permissions must be set in a certain way and downloaded zips may not be
> when extracted.
> this works for me at Dreamhost. Note that this allows PHP and Livecode
> scripts to co-exist, just use the appropriate suffix and code according to
> the languages' requirements.
> 
> LIVECODE SERVER PERMISSIONS THAT WORK AT DREAMHOST
> <http://media.barncard.com/downloads/LIVECODE_SERVER_SETUP.pdf>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words
> 
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Thomas von Fintel <runrev at vonfintel.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Fiddling with things I finally found a solution.
>> 
>> In case someone is interested, the new setup is (The numbers in brackets
>> show permissions):
>> 
>> |- cgi-bin (775)
>>   |- .htaccess (644)
>>   |- test.lc (644)
>>   |- livecode-community-server.cgi (775)
>>   |- drivers (755)
>>       |- ... (664)
>>   |- externals (775)
>>       |- ... (664)
>> 
>> The .htaccess now contains:
>> 
>> AddHandler livecode-script .lc
>> Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server.cgi
>> 
>> Now http://mydomain.com/cgi-bin/test.lc returns the right output of
>> test.lc
>> This works with livecode-community-server 7.0.5
>> 
>> I didn't try every combination, but it seems I had to change three things:
>> 
>> 1. Put a ".cgi" after the engines name, change the .htaccess file
>> accordingly.
>> 2. Put the script test.lc into the cgi-bin folder.
>> 3. Drop the first line of the .htaccess file
>> 
>> 
>> Is it necessary to put the script into the cgi-bin folder? How can you put
>> it into another folder to avoid clutter?
>> I wonder ...
>> 
>> Thomas
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 13.07.2015 um 09:40 schrieb Thomas von Fintel:
>> 
>>> I have a working playground site on nosupportlinuxhosting.com that I
>> want to transfer to a Dreamhost account.
>>> The setup is:
>>> 
>>> |- lc
>>> |- test.lc
>>> |- .htaccess
>>> |- cgi-bin
>>> |- livecode-community-server
>>> |- drivers
>>>   |- ...
>>> |- externals
>>>   |- ...
>>> 
>>> The .htaccess contains:
>>> Options +ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
>>> AddHandler livecode-script .lc
>>> Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server
>>> 
>>> Permissions have been checked more than once.
>>> 
>>> I tried 64-bit and 32-bit versions of the server.
>>> 
>>> All I get is:
>>> "Not Found
>>> The requested URL /cgi-bin/livecode-community-server/lc/test.lc was not
>> found on this server.
>>> 
>>> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use
>> an ErrorDocument to handle the request."
>>> 
>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any hints
>>> Thomas
>>> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jul 15 05:51:27 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 11:51:27 +0200
Subject: [BUG] HTMLText <H5> incorrectly converted
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgO2FZWkvJodo5Sc4vWc9YpTH2NQF+D9R6r2PnjgK5Tqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kgO2FZWkvJodo5Sc4vWc9YpTH2NQF+D9R6r2PnjgK5Tqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A62D1F.4030700@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Kay,

I'd think there are at least two valid reasons why your bug report 
should not have been closed without a fix.

Browsers don't render the h5 tag as italic. The h5 tag is a valid tag 
and should be dealt with correctly. LiveCode doesn't honour any HTML 
standard, but I still believe that the h5 tag should be rendered 
correctly, since all other h* tags do.

There was a time when the syntax 'beep 2' beeped only once. After many 
years, RunRev decided to fix the bug. They didn't close the bug report 
saying it had always been like this.

If Mark Waddingham still thinks it should be closed, I hope he can 
provide a different explanation. I should add that the difference 
between h4, h5 and h6 might be too small to notice, without additional 
style tags.

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On 7/15/2015 07:21, Kay C Lan wrote:
> Folks,
>
> I recently added bug 15599 which reads as:
>
> -----------------------
>
> Create a New Stack
> Place a Scrolling Field (7.0.6) or Text Area (8.0 dp2) on it and enlarge it
> to fill the stack.
> In the Message Box enter:
>
> set the textFont of fld 1 to "Arial" --must use a font with italics
> set the fixedLineHeight of fld 1 to false
> repeat with x = 1 to 6
> put "<H" & x & ">" into tHead
> put "</H" & x & ">" into tTail
> set the htmlText of line x of fld 1 to tHead & "This is Heading " & x &
> tTail
> end repeat
> put the htmlText of fld 1
>
> You'll note that in the field only Heading 5 is in italics and if you check
> the HTMLText output Heading 5 is the only one to include the <i></i> tags.
>
> When converting <H5> to LCs <p><b><font size... equivalent, the <i></i>
> tags should not be included.
>
> -----------------------
>
> As usual the mothership responded swiftly but slightly differently than
> expected. Mark indicated that <H5> has always converted to italics and so
> has closed the report. No I don't know if 'always' means always for
> Revolution, always back to MetaCard, always back to HyperCard or always for
> xTalk languages. So I'm just wondering if anyone here would know the
> history about this and why only <H5> has been singled out to appear
> differently in LC than it does in a Browser.
>
> I assume changing it now would have consequences for some people's legacy
> code.
>
> I added a comment that maybe the Dictionary needs to highlight this anomaly.
>
> If you consider <H5> in LC should look like <H5> in a Browser then you may
> wish to add comments to 15599.
>
> For me, I just need to write a little handler for <H5> that will go back
> and remove the <i></i> tags so that my LC field is identical to the Browser
> equivalent. Not a hard thing to do in LC ;-)
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From david at viral.academy  Wed Jul 15 06:08:50 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 11:08:50 +0100
Subject: Chrome, lchttpd and a possible Livecode socket bug?
Message-ID: <CAGASioOC8sOF3c70fYYuMLfR7d3FA=xAfxxjxjjC1J3yc47p8Q@mail.gmail.com>

First off where do we report bugs now? Bugzilla or Github issues?

@andre - dropbox is no longer public. I'd love to check out your old server
stacks.
@todd - I'm hacking away pretty radically at your minimal server
@monte - yes it would be good to use github for version control. I'll take
a look at lcVCS, and also modify lchttpd to use script only libraries for
behaviors and libraries.

Update on  - it seems that the background problem is an issue with hanging
ports - that is ports that the modified lchttpd is not closing. So I am
trying to get my head back around http/connections/sockets and so forth.

It seems that (looking at the openssockets during a request) that a single
GET request results in 2 connections and 3 entries in the opensockets:

8082
> 127.0.0.1:62291
> 127.0.0.1:62293


However depending on which client is making the http calls we get a
different number of "newconnection" messages - the issue seems to be with
Chrome - anyone have an idea why???


*Firefox, Safari and Livecode*
With Safari, Firefox or Livecode sending an http GET request to
localhost:8082 (ie in Livecode - put url "http://localhost:8082/somePath")
we only trigger *a single newConnection message*.

You can see from the following logs created when Chrome connects to the
Livecode server - http://pastebin.com/x2cNKdK4

Similarly as the Livecode server includes the line:

   *write* it to socket theSocket with message "closeConnection"


We also then only get *a single closeConnection message *(send as a param
while writing back to the client), which we handle to close the socket -
everything is good.


*Chrome*
You can see from the following logs created when Chrome connects to the
Livecode server - http://pastebin.com/WfqzRwrW

When Chrome is used to connect to the Livecode server two newConnect
messages are send, and as a result the second connection is not closed -
either by the our LiveCode script (the closeConnection message is only
triggered once).

The Chrome server then hangs waiting for further data and keeps the second
connection open. Manually closing this connection in Livecode fixes the
problem, and allows the browser to complete it's request.

*A fix?*
I'm going to take a look at how to associate this open socket with Chrome,
and close it in LiveCode in a script. The problem is that a web page often
fires of several requests at once, or even another client can hit the
server, and so just closing all connections results in other client
connections getting broken - any ideas?




On 14 July 2015 at 23:38, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> OK - I've been experimenting most of the day with running Livecode as a
> server daemon (not as a cgi). It's a bit problematic and I am trying to
> track down bugs.
>
> One issue is that the server does not seem to respond well when it is in
> the background - so when I move over to a browser and ping the server it
> freezes until I bring the server-stack to the front.
>
> Any thoughts? Did this happen with earlier versions?
>
>
> On 6 November 2014 at 21:37, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
>
>> Friends,
>>
>> I haven't touched this in ages. I have a couple gigs on a folder called
>> "RunRev Source" here and there was a RevHTTP folder there. There is a lot
>> of non-working half baked goodies in that folder but I think that the main
>> httpd.rev file should work ok.
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0636wl30z4btg1u/RevHTTP.zip?dl=0
>>
>> Have fun and send me feedback.
>>
>> Also, a disclaimer: You should not host any public facing thing using this
>> server. Its a research, hobbie, toy thing. It can't answer more than one
>> request at a time and this will kill things for public access. Even so,
>> people have used this or variations of this source in production for their
>> internal stuff and were happy with it.
>>
>> My advise: Go with nginx + livecodeserver.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Monte Goulding <
>> monte at sweattechnologies.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > On 5 Nov 2014, at 7:02 am, Todd Geist <todd at geistinteractive.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I put the code on github
>> > >
>> > > https://github.com/toddgeist/lchttpd
>> >
>> > Yay for another FOSS lcVCS project on GitHub! If we keep this up the
>> Ohloh
>> > folks might eventually get around to merging in my pull request adding
>> > livecode as a recognised language ;-)
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Monte
>> >
>> > --
>> > M E R Goulding
>> > Software development services
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Wed Jul 15 06:16:34 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 12:16:34 +0200
Subject: Chrome, lchttpd and a possible Livecode socket =?UTF-8?Q?bug=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOC8sOF3c70fYYuMLfR7d3FA=xAfxxjxjjC1J3yc47p8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOC8sOF3c70fYYuMLfR7d3FA=xAfxxjxjjC1J3yc47p8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <776e71fc88d76fac997dc8211c4b6556@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-15 12:08, David Bovill wrote:
> First off where do we report bugs now? Bugzilla or Github issues?
> 

Bugzilla, please, for LiveCode engine bugs. http://quality.runrev.com/

                                    Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 15 10:21:14 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:21:14 -0700
Subject: Livecode server at Dreamhost
In-Reply-To: <1C140A9C-F1D4-4582-98C5-7F4EA982820D@vonfintel.org>
References: <1C140A9C-F1D4-4582-98C5-7F4EA982820D@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <55A66C5A.5020101@fourthworld.com>

Thomas von Fintel wrote:

 > stephen barncard wrote:
...
 >> this one inside the cgi-bin directory
 >>
 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
 >> Options ExecCGI
 >> SetHandler cgi-script
 >> ----------------------
 >
 > Thanks a lot!
 >
 > What I missed was the part of having different htaccess files in root
 > and cgi directory.

I believe the .htaccess inside the cgi-bin folder is only needed on some 
server configurations like Dreamhost's when the executable file does not 
end in ".cgi".  Those two lines allow other executables not otherwise 
accounted for in the server's Apache config file to be executed.

Testing your original hunch here about renaming LC Server to have ".cgi" 
at the end allows me to use the same setup I've used for a while but 
without the .htaccess file in cgi-bin.

This suggests that adding that file won't fix your "file not found" 
error.  If it does I'm mystified, but if not we'll still need to look at 
the paths in your main .htaccess file and make sure they point to the 
right place, and double-check permissions.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jbv at souslelogo.com  Wed Jul 15 10:38:19 2015
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:38:19 +0300
Subject: A question for Windows specialists
Message-ID: <5ec014d01763de6edfe76ed995d6c3c0.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>

Hello list

One of my clients has a recurring problem with a standalone I built for them.
At startup a serie of lists of various data are loaded from a remote
server and
a progress bar shows the loading. And then these data are used in various
ways
in the app.
For a couple of weeks, at startup the progressbar speeds up much faster than
usual and most of the lists of data aren't loaded. Actually a couple of
them only
are randomly loaded. This happens on 2 PCs (Win 7 and XP) connected to the
same adsl line. Other people use the same app on similar versions of windows
in different offices and with different internet connexions and never met
the problem.
I did myself several tests on Win 7 and XP and everything runs fine.
The client is located 500 km away, so every ettempt to fix is done by phone.
We have disabled the antivirus software, checked for a firewall, restarted
the PCs
several times, but to no avail...
So finally here's the question : what else should we check ?
Thanks in advance for any wise suggestion.
jbv




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 15 11:21:43 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:21:43 -0700
Subject: Chrome, lchttpd and a possible Livecode socket bug?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOC8sOF3c70fYYuMLfR7d3FA=xAfxxjxjjC1J3yc47p8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOC8sOF3c70fYYuMLfR7d3FA=xAfxxjxjjC1J3yc47p8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A67A87.8030206@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

 > @andre - dropbox is no longer public. I'd love to check out your old
 > server

Andre's been immersed in the Firefox project, and doesn't frequent this 
list as he used to.  Back when he did he wrote at least two lengthy 
posts here about why he stopped development of his httpd stack, and why 
he doesn't recommend using it for Web servers.

In short, serving browser clients is especially challenging in a 
non-threaded and non-forking engine like LiveCode, because what we think 
of as a single transaction is often a dozen or more - in addition to the 
HTML page it'll often include links to CSS, JavaScript, and any number 
of images files, resulting in many requests for a single page.

Because the engine is single-threaded and non-forking, all requests are 
effectively queued.  Network I/O is somewhat non-blocking, but 
everything else the engine does, such as file I/O, is blocking, so 
handling things like Web pages with their multiple requests becomes more 
onerous than just using any of the apps already doing a good job for 
that, like Apache, NGineX, etc.

Using LC as a CGI under Apache is a reasonably good use case, as it 
allows concurrency under Apache's forking.  But replacing Apache with LC 
is perhaps more trouble than it's worth, at least until we can do 
forking ourselves.


That said, I do believe there's good value in exploring LiveCode daemons 
for other uses beyond Web servers.

Application-specific servers, where transactions will be a single 
request rather than a dozen or more as is common with Web pages, can be 
very good fit for LiveCode.  Even better when the client is also made 
with LC, so we can take advantage of things like compressed encoded 
arrays for much more efficient throughput than translating to/from JSON.

In that sense, whether we use port 80 with HTTP conventions or make a 
protocol of our own over another port, we're making a simple socket 
server, and in my tests LC does well with that sort of thing.

One of my favorite examples along these lines is EVE Online, since it's 
one of the world's most popular MMOGs and is served by a single Python 
engine instance.

In all fairness, though, since Python is like LiveCode in that it 
doesn't support true concurrency, a special build of Python was needed, 
CPython, which includes support for "green threads" that provide 
concurrency but with less overhead than system-managed threads.

A similar enhancement could be made with LiveCode, and I hope it comes 
about some day since it would allow us to do everything Python can do.

But in the here-and-now, few of us need to solve a C10k problem, and 
with reasonable traffic a single LiveCode daemon can do well.

If traffic grows beyond what a single instance can handle, the 
bottlenecks can be distributed among any number of other LC instances 
managed by the daemon via local sockets, as we've discussed here before.


To explore the potential for building socket servers with LC, I've found 
two projects especially helpful: mchttp and the chat example.

mchttp
------
Both Andre and Todd started their httpd projects as forks of Scott 
Raney's mchttpd.  Dr. Raney's original stack no longer works because 
most browsers today have stricter requirements for header info than his 
  script provided, but with his permission I added only Andre's header 
fix to Raney's original script and the result is available under MIT 
license here:
<http://fourthworld.net/lc/mchttpd-4W.zip>

Andre's and Todd's enhancements are likely very useful; I'm providing 
the link to Raney's fixed original only because if there seems to be an 
issue in how the engine is handling sockets this simpler script may make 
diagnosis easier.

chat
----
The chat client and server code in this lesson is about as simple as it 
gets, making it a good starting point for expansion since it was part of 
a client deliverable and is known to work well:
<http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4071/l/12924-how-to-communicate-with-other-applications-using-sockets>

While the mchttp stack is a good example of simple transaction handling 
in which a single client makes a request that is returned only to that 
client, the chat example illustrates broadcasting in which any data 
coming in from any client is broadcast to all of them.

Between these two models we have a nice foundation for a great many 
possible types of interesting and useful client-server applications.


With the socket issue you've seen, it may be useful to apply the logging 
you have to either mchttpd or the chat example and see what you find.

I've spent very little time with mchttpd, but I did some stress testing 
on the chat server a while back and it held up admirably: I had three 
separate client computers throwing as many requests as they could to the 
daemon running on one of my VPSes for two minutes, monitoring progress 
in htop as it ran.  The daemon never used more than 25% of the CPU, and 
when the barrage ended it reclaimed all memory and dropped back to zero CPU.

Hopefully you'll find a quick fix in one of the scripts, and if it does 
indeed turn out to be an engine issue your bug report to the RQCC is 
much appreciated.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From david at viral.academy  Wed Jul 15 11:59:43 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:59:43 +0100
Subject: Chrome, lchttpd and a possible Livecode socket bug?
In-Reply-To: <55A67A87.8030206@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGASioOC8sOF3c70fYYuMLfR7d3FA=xAfxxjxjjC1J3yc47p8Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A67A87.8030206@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioOzfxnbXg0y2o+YUmTCU-3-1YOsabyWAmWNsvX-o5aR-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the comprehensive reply Richard.

The prototype I am working on is to create a Livecode daemon/server that
has the follewoing functions:

   1. Drop dead easy to set up for local use on a laptop, or to serve a LAN
   in a teaching / workshop scenario
   2. Fast and minimal REST API provider.
   3. Deployable behind a load balancing server
   4. Plays well with Node, Nginx, Apache in a load balancing production
   environment.

My understanding is that it should be possible to script the deployment of
custom servers in an environment like Linode in a few minutes - whether
that be a single Livecode server or several of them behind a load-balancing
proxy.

I'm also interested in moving beyond using libraries and front and back
scripts to exploring the use of chained behaviors in this architecture.
Finally I'm wandering about an architecture which allows you to deploy
standalone servers that speak to each other via (as you say) custom binary
protocols.

I'm going to have a whole bunch of questions I am sure - the first one is
whether running a daemon on a cloud based server can be achieved using
LiveCode server?

On 15 July 2015 at 16:21, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> David Bovill wrote:
>
> > @andre - dropbox is no longer public. I'd love to check out your old
> > server
>
> Andre's been immersed in the Firefox project, and doesn't frequent this
> list as he used to.  Back when he did he wrote at least two lengthy posts
> here about why he stopped development of his httpd stack, and why he
> doesn't recommend using it for Web servers.
>
> In short, serving browser clients is especially challenging in a
> non-threaded and non-forking engine like LiveCode, because what we think of
> as a single transaction is often a dozen or more - in addition to the HTML
> page it'll often include links to CSS, JavaScript, and any number of images
> files, resulting in many requests for a single page.
>
> Because the engine is single-threaded and non-forking, all requests are
> effectively queued.  Network I/O is somewhat non-blocking, but everything
> else the engine does, such as file I/O, is blocking, so handling things
> like Web pages with their multiple requests becomes more onerous than just
> using any of the apps already doing a good job for that, like Apache,
> NGineX, etc.
>
> Using LC as a CGI under Apache is a reasonably good use case, as it allows
> concurrency under Apache's forking.  But replacing Apache with LC is
> perhaps more trouble than it's worth, at least until we can do forking
> ourselves.
>
>
> That said, I do believe there's good value in exploring LiveCode daemons
> for other uses beyond Web servers.
>
> Application-specific servers, where transactions will be a single request
> rather than a dozen or more as is common with Web pages, can be very good
> fit for LiveCode.  Even better when the client is also made with LC, so we
> can take advantage of things like compressed encoded arrays for much more
> efficient throughput than translating to/from JSON.
>
> In that sense, whether we use port 80 with HTTP conventions or make a
> protocol of our own over another port, we're making a simple socket server,
> and in my tests LC does well with that sort of thing.
>
> One of my favorite examples along these lines is EVE Online, since it's
> one of the world's most popular MMOGs and is served by a single Python
> engine instance.
>
> In all fairness, though, since Python is like LiveCode in that it doesn't
> support true concurrency, a special build of Python was needed, CPython,
> which includes support for "green threads" that provide concurrency but
> with less overhead than system-managed threads.
>
> A similar enhancement could be made with LiveCode, and I hope it comes
> about some day since it would allow us to do everything Python can do.
>
> But in the here-and-now, few of us need to solve a C10k problem, and with
> reasonable traffic a single LiveCode daemon can do well.
>
> If traffic grows beyond what a single instance can handle, the bottlenecks
> can be distributed among any number of other LC instances managed by the
> daemon via local sockets, as we've discussed here before.
>
>
> To explore the potential for building socket servers with LC, I've found
> two projects especially helpful: mchttp and the chat example.
>
> mchttp
> ------
> Both Andre and Todd started their httpd projects as forks of Scott Raney's
> mchttpd.  Dr. Raney's original stack no longer works because most browsers
> today have stricter requirements for header info than his  script provided,
> but with his permission I added only Andre's header fix to Raney's original
> script and the result is available under MIT license here:
> <http://fourthworld.net/lc/mchttpd-4W.zip>
>
> Andre's and Todd's enhancements are likely very useful; I'm providing the
> link to Raney's fixed original only because if there seems to be an issue
> in how the engine is handling sockets this simpler script may make
> diagnosis easier.
>
> chat
> ----
> The chat client and server code in this lesson is about as simple as it
> gets, making it a good starting point for expansion since it was part of a
> client deliverable and is known to work well:
> <
> http://lessons.runrev.com/m/4071/l/12924-how-to-communicate-with-other-applications-using-sockets
> >
>
> While the mchttp stack is a good example of simple transaction handling in
> which a single client makes a request that is returned only to that client,
> the chat example illustrates broadcasting in which any data coming in from
> any client is broadcast to all of them.
>
> Between these two models we have a nice foundation for a great many
> possible types of interesting and useful client-server applications.
>
>
> With the socket issue you've seen, it may be useful to apply the logging
> you have to either mchttpd or the chat example and see what you find.
>
> I've spent very little time with mchttpd, but I did some stress testing on
> the chat server a while back and it held up admirably: I had three separate
> client computers throwing as many requests as they could to the daemon
> running on one of my VPSes for two minutes, monitoring progress in htop as
> it ran.  The daemon never used more than 25% of the CPU, and when the
> barrage ended it reclaimed all memory and dropped back to zero CPU.
>
> Hopefully you'll find a quick fix in one of the scripts, and if it does
> indeed turn out to be an engine issue your bug report to the RQCC is much
> appreciated.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 12:13:15 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:13:15 -0600
Subject: A question for Windows specialists
In-Reply-To: <5ec014d01763de6edfe76ed995d6c3c0.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
References: <5ec014d01763de6edfe76ed995d6c3c0.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp4-6TjuJDCSoTrqkTfffk=3-UmExBB+w=KUwZ0RRkisQ@mail.gmail.com>

Since you're loading from a remote server, if your requests are http
requests, say in the form of "
http://my.server.com/getData.php?param1=value&param2=value"  can you tack
on a "&requestrefresh=(the seconds)" .. In this way, each hit will always
be new and any weird caching issues should be sidestepped.

How are you requesting the lists?  get URL "address to url", load, or
post?  You should check for errors on each request of course, and log them
if possible. Check the result of course, also liburlerrordata.

Since its 2 machines on the same network, the first idea might solve it, if
there is a munged cache between them and the remote server.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:38 AM, <jbv at souslelogo.com> wrote:

> Hello list
>
> One of my clients has a recurring problem with a standalone I built for
> them.
> At startup a serie of lists of various data are loaded from a remote
> server and
> a progress bar shows the loading. And then these data are used in various
> ways
> in the app.
> For a couple of weeks, at startup the progressbar speeds up much faster
> than
> usual and most of the lists of data aren't loaded. Actually a couple of
> them only
> are randomly loaded. This happens on 2 PCs (Win 7 and XP) connected to the
> same adsl line. Other people use the same app on similar versions of
> windows
> in different offices and with different internet connexions and never met
> the problem.
> I did myself several tests on Win 7 and XP and everything runs fine.
> The client is located 500 km away, so every ettempt to fix is done by
> phone.
> We have disabled the antivirus software, checked for a firewall, restarted
> the PCs
> several times, but to no avail...
> So finally here's the question : what else should we check ?
> Thanks in advance for any wise suggestion.
> jbv
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jul 15 12:30:44 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 18:30:44 +0200
Subject: A question for Windows specialists
In-Reply-To: <5ec014d01763de6edfe76ed995d6c3c0.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
References: <5ec014d01763de6edfe76ed995d6c3c0.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <55A68AB4.5040103@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi JBV,

Do you give the standalone sufficient time to complete the start-up? For 
slightly bigger projects, I do this:

on preOpenStack
   hide this stack
   send "initiateProject" to me in 2 seconds
end preOpenStack

on initateProject
   // do everything else here,
   // e.g. loading data from a server
end inititateProject

The message may often be sent in 0 seconds, but sometimes it is useful 
to wait a short time before continuing the start-up sequence.

Once the start-up sequence has finished, you may want to check that 
libUrl is available.

function libUrlAvailable
   put the backscripts into myScripts
   repeat for each line myButton in myScripts
     if the short name of myButton contains "revLibUrl" then
       return true
     end if
     end repeat
   return false
end libUrlAvailable

If libUrlAvailable is false, you know where the culprit is. If 
libUrlAvailable is true, you can still check the result after each put 
URL request.

put url myUrl into myData
put the result into rslt
put it into myData
if rslt is not empty then
   been
   answer error rslt
end if

All the above should at least give some clues about whether the problem 
is in the standalone or with the internet connection.

It is also a very good idea to handle errors:

on errorDialog theErr
   answer error theErr
end errorDialog

You could parse theErr if you like, e.g. with errorLib, but usually the 
numbers already give a clue as to where to look for the problem.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
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http://qery.us/468

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On 7/15/2015 16:38, jbv at souslelogo.com wrote:
> Hello list
>
> One of my clients has a recurring problem with a standalone I built for them.
> At startup a serie of lists of various data are loaded from a remote
> server and
> a progress bar shows the loading. And then these data are used in various
> ways
> in the app.
> For a couple of weeks, at startup the progressbar speeds up much faster than
> usual and most of the lists of data aren't loaded. Actually a couple of
> them only
> are randomly loaded. This happens on 2 PCs (Win 7 and XP) connected to the
> same adsl line. Other people use the same app on similar versions of windows
> in different offices and with different internet connexions and never met
> the problem.
> I did myself several tests on Win 7 and XP and everything runs fine.
> The client is located 500 km away, so every ettempt to fix is done by phone.
> We have disabled the antivirus software, checked for a firewall, restarted
> the PCs
> several times, but to no avail...
> So finally here's the question : what else should we check ?
> Thanks in advance for any wise suggestion.
> jbv
>
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 15 13:04:31 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:04:31 -0700
Subject: Chrome, lchttpd and a possible Livecode socket bug?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOzfxnbXg0y2o+YUmTCU-3-1YOsabyWAmWNsvX-o5aR-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOzfxnbXg0y2o+YUmTCU-3-1YOsabyWAmWNsvX-o5aR-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A6929F.2070706@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

 > The prototype I am working on is to create a Livecode daemon/server
 > that has the follewoing functions:
 >
 >    1. Drop dead easy to set up for local use on a laptop, or to serve
 >       a LAN in a teaching / workshop scenario
 >    2. Fast and minimal REST API provider.
 >    3. Deployable behind a load balancing server
 >    4. Plays well with Node, Nginx, Apache in a load balancing
 >       production environment.

In that setup, what is the relationship between the LC daemon and the 
NgineX and Node daemons?


 > My understanding is that it should be possible to script the
 > deployment of custom servers in an environment like Linode in a
 > few minutes - whether that be a single Livecode server or several
 > of them behind a load-balancing proxy.

Linode has a good reputation, and I've also had good luck with VPSes 
from InterServer and Chunkhost.


 > I'm also interested in moving beyond using libraries and front and
 > back scripts to exploring the use of chained behaviors in this
 > architecture.

Interesting.  I've used behaviors extensively for UI things, but hadn't 
considered them for server use.  What is the advantage there?


 > Finally I'm wandering about an architecture which allows you to deploy
 > standalone servers that speak to each other via (as you say) custom
 > binary protocols.
 >
 > I'm going to have a whole bunch of questions I am sure - the first
 > one is whether running a daemon on a cloud based server can be
 > achieved using LiveCode server?

I can't say.  I've never tried using LC Server as a daemon, and I don't 
even use it as a CGI in production work, only for testing to help others.

I use Linux standalones run facelessly with -ui for all server apps, 
mostly because it allows me to run and test everything in the IDE with 
close to zero behavioral differences over runtime.

LC Server is a very good choice if you're accustomed to PHP-style 
wokflows, but even when delivering Web pages I don't normally mix much 
LC and HTML in the same file so calling the merge function explicitly is 
as good for me as LC Server's implicit merge.

For non-HTML output, such as the binary data you're describing, either 
the LC Server or desktop engines may do well with that (provided the 
event and socket handling in Server is as good as it is in the desktop 
engine), but using a standalone will allow the system to be MUCH more 
easily testable.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Jul 15 13:16:11 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 13:16:11 -0400
Subject: put url web service timeout
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>	<D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<553309B4-DE54-45A5-8165-16AFB6C0372A@iotecdigital.com>	<CA+uh5kgQHk3ni_1e3bjCZKa1ViV7HuNM9ptbO_fs=SNB43LEAw@mail.gmail.com>	<77375E9F-ED17-4AF9-A18D-357D895181BF@iotecdigital.com>	<D1C02CA8.696C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<007001d0b82a$d5d24990$8176dcb0$@net>
	<0E8B7A3E-CEBE-4682-A635-CCE4146C8846@sahores-conseil.com> 
Message-ID: <002001d0bf21$f2d33ba0$d879b2e0$@net>

I was having a problem with timeouts using ==>put url("https://fdsfsd.on-rev.com/test.lc")<==. Some of these request took some time to complete.

I found even in the IDE the socketTimeout message does not get sent when a web request times out. I set the socketTimeoutInterval to 20000 and on the desktop the url request no longer timed out. But would it work on mobile? I needed this for a mobile app. The Dictionary says the socketTimeoutInterval is not supported on mobile but I tried it anyway. To my joy it works on mobile!!

I want to pass this little gem along and find out what is the best way to report errors in the LC Dictionary.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net




From runrev at vonfintel.org  Wed Jul 15 13:25:29 2015
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:25:29 +0200
Subject: Livecode server at Dreamhost
In-Reply-To: <55A66C5A.5020101@fourthworld.com>
References: <1C140A9C-F1D4-4582-98C5-7F4EA982820D@vonfintel.org>
	<55A66C5A.5020101@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <26F6170B-682F-4A30-B3D2-F73856D43580@vonfintel.org>

It seems I have a working setup.

Following Stephen's suggestion I reordered the files a bit. I'll try to make the description as detailed as possible. Maybe someone else could use this. (The numbers in brackets show permissions):

|- .htaccess (644)
|- lc (755)
    |- test.lc (644)
|- cgi-bin (775)
    |- .htaccess (644)
    |- livecode-server
        |- livecode-community-server (775)
        |- drivers (755)
            |- dbmysql.so (664)
            |- dbodbc.so (664)
            |- dbpostgresql.so (664)
            |- dbsqlite.so (664)
        |- externals (775)
            |- revdb.so (664)
            |- revxml.so (664)
            |- revzip.so (664)


The .htaccess file on root level contains:

Options +ExecCGI FollowSymLinks
AddHandler livecode-script .lc .irev
DirectoryIndex index.irev index.lc index.php index.html
Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-server/livecode-community-server

The .htaccess file in the cgi-bin folder:

Options ExecCGI
SetHandler cgi-script


If I put a ".cgi" after the server's name both in the .htaccess file and in the file name itself, the setup still works. But if I remove the .htaccess file in the cgi-bin folder I get an error no matter if there is a ".cgi" or not. I think it is actually this second .htaccess that makes the difference.



Thanks to you both
Thomas






Am 15.07.2015 um 16:21 schrieb Richard Gaskin:

> Thomas von Fintel wrote:
> 
> > stephen barncard wrote:
> ...
> >> this one inside the cgi-bin directory
> >>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Options ExecCGI
> >> SetHandler cgi-script
> >> ----------------------
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > What I missed was the part of having different htaccess files in root
> > and cgi directory.
> 
> I believe the .htaccess inside the cgi-bin folder is only needed on some server configurations like Dreamhost's when the executable file does not end in ".cgi".  Those two lines allow other executables not otherwise accounted for in the server's Apache config file to be executed.
> 
> Testing your original hunch here about renaming LC Server to have ".cgi" at the end allows me to use the same setup I've used for a while but without the .htaccess file in cgi-bin.
> 
> This suggests that adding that file won't fix your "file not found" error.  If it does I'm mystified, but if not we'll still need to look at the paths in your main .htaccess file and make sure they point to the right place, and double-check permissions.
> 
> -- 
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From jbv at souslelogo.com  Wed Jul 15 13:34:15 2015
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:34:15 +0300
Subject: A question for Windows specialists
In-Reply-To: <55A68AB4.5040103@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <5ec014d01763de6edfe76ed995d6c3c0.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
	<55A68AB4.5040103@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <d9f1b9b0e13119d611ad1eb1c65f1a2d.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>

Hi Mark & Mike

Thanks for your replies.
To be more specific about my request, I don't suspect any problem
with the app, since it's been working fine in this very office (as well
as in others) for more than 2 years. Problems started sporadically
only 10 days ago and in only one office.
Apart from windows settings, I think other parameters such as the
quality of the adsl connexion, possible glitches in the wi-fi, etc.
need to be checked as well.
Things would be easier if I were on location, but as said before,
these ppl are 500km away...
The socketTimeoutInterval is set to 20000 (20 sec) which IMO is
more than enough...
I have also checked the successive requests sent to the server at
startup when loading the data; the app sends the right requests,
and the server responds accordingly; the only thing is that at times
the app gets empty as a response to the requests (even if the right
data were sent)...
My original question was actually something like "what in windows
could interfere between an app and a remote server" and what is
worth checking ?
Thanks.
jbv

> Hi JBV,
>
> Do you give the standalone sufficient time to complete the start-up? For
> slightly bigger projects, I do this:
>
> on preOpenStack
>    hide this stack
>    send "initiateProject" to me in 2 seconds
> end preOpenStack
>
> on initateProject
>    // do everything else here,
>    // e.g. loading data from a server
> end inititateProject
>
> The message may often be sent in 0 seconds, but sometimes it is useful
> to wait a short time before continuing the start-up sequence.
>
> Once the start-up sequence has finished, you may want to check that
> libUrl is available.
>
> function libUrlAvailable
>    put the backscripts into myScripts
>    repeat for each line myButton in myScripts
>      if the short name of myButton contains "revLibUrl" then
>        return true
>      end if
>      end repeat
>    return false
> end libUrlAvailable
>
> If libUrlAvailable is false, you know where the culprit is. If
> libUrlAvailable is true, you can still check the result after each put
> URL request.
>
> put url myUrl into myData
> put the result into rslt
> put it into myData
> if rslt is not empty then
>    been
>    answer error rslt
> end if
>
> All the above should at least give some clues about whether the problem
> is in the standalone or with the internet connection.
>
> It is also a very good idea to handle errors:
>
> on errorDialog theErr
>    answer error theErr
> end errorDialog
>
> You could parse theErr if you like, e.g. with errorLib, but usually the
> numbers already give a clue as to where to look for the problem.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
> On 7/15/2015 16:38, jbv at souslelogo.com wrote:
>> Hello list
>>
>> One of my clients has a recurring problem with a standalone I built for
>> them.
>> At startup a serie of lists of various data are loaded from a remote
>> server and
>> a progress bar shows the loading. And then these data are used in
>> various
>> ways
>> in the app.
>> For a couple of weeks, at startup the progressbar speeds up much faster
>> than
>> usual and most of the lists of data aren't loaded. Actually a couple of
>> them only
>> are randomly loaded. This happens on 2 PCs (Win 7 and XP) connected to
>> the
>> same adsl line. Other people use the same app on similar versions of
>> windows
>> in different offices and with different internet connexions and never
>> met
>> the problem.
>> I did myself several tests on Win 7 and XP and everything runs fine.
>> The client is located 500 km away, so every ettempt to fix is done by
>> phone.
>> We have disabled the antivirus software, checked for a firewall,
>> restarted
>> the PCs
>> several times, but to no avail...
>> So finally here's the question : what else should we check ?
>> Thanks in advance for any wise suggestion.
>> jbv
>>
>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 15 13:40:27 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:40:27 -0700
Subject: Livecode server at Dreamhost
In-Reply-To: <26F6170B-682F-4A30-B3D2-F73856D43580@vonfintel.org>
References: <26F6170B-682F-4A30-B3D2-F73856D43580@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <55A69B0B.6080609@fourthworld.com>

Thomas von Fintel wrote:

 > If I put a ".cgi" after the server's name both in the .htaccess file
 > and in the file name itself, the setup still works. But if I remove
 > the .htaccess file in the cgi-bin folder I get an error no matter if
 > there is a ".cgi" or not. I think it is actually this second
 > .htaccess that makes the difference.

When I tested this morning on my Dreamhost server before posting here, I 
was able to omit the .htaccess in cgi-in by renaming the LC Server exe 
to include .cgi, and update the main .htaccess to match.

But the main thing is you have a setup that work for you, so it doesn't 
matter much either way.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From colinholgate at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 14:06:35 2015
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 14:06:35 -0400
Subject: [Ben] HTML5 preloading suggestion...
Message-ID: <180ED9E3-0B22-4EA2-9BC2-1DBEAE6A9102@gmail.com>

I looked at the HTML5 example pages, and they take a while to load. I?ve seen that sort of slowness before, where it took a while to download a lot of graphics. In that particular case each download was completed before the next one starts. The problem was completely solved by allowing more connections at the same time.

So, if the current version is also assuming one connection at a time, change it to allow six at once.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 15 14:10:18 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 13:10:18 -0500
Subject: [BUG] HTMLText <H5> incorrectly converted
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgO2FZWkvJodo5Sc4vWc9YpTH2NQF+D9R6r2PnjgK5Tqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kgO2FZWkvJodo5Sc4vWc9YpTH2NQF+D9R6r2PnjgK5Tqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A6A20A.80607@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/15/2015 12:21 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:
> Mark indicated that <H5> has always converted to italics and so
> has closed the report. No I don't know if 'always' means always for
> Revolution, always back to MetaCard, always back to HyperCard or always for
> xTalk languages. So I'm just wondering if anyone here would know the
> history about this and why only <H5> has been singled out to appear
> differently in LC than it does in a Browser.

I doesn't go back to HyperCard, since HC had no native html 
capabilities. It does go back to MetaCard, and I vaguely recall some of 
the header level tags being italic back then. I suspect this was 
modelled on the most common browser interpretations at the time, which 
has changed quite a bit since then. It's been, what, 20 years?

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From runrev at vonfintel.org  Wed Jul 15 14:12:33 2015
From: runrev at vonfintel.org (Thomas von Fintel)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:12:33 +0200
Subject: Livecode server at Dreamhost
In-Reply-To: <55A69B0B.6080609@fourthworld.com>
References: <26F6170B-682F-4A30-B3D2-F73856D43580@vonfintel.org>
	<55A69B0B.6080609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5A343209-D0E5-4B9E-85C0-E1C8D2F03B70@vonfintel.org>


Am 15.07.2015 um 19:40 schrieb Richard Gaskin:
> ...
> When I tested this morning on my Dreamhost server before posting here, I was able to omit the .htaccess in cgi-in by renaming the LC Server exe to include .cgi, and update the main .htaccess to match.

That is different in my case. Doing that results in:
"Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/livecode-server/livecode-community-server.cgi/lc/test2.lc on this server."

Maybe there is a permission issue somewhere that makes a difference.

> 
> But the main thing is you have a setup that work for you, so it doesn't matter much either way.

Yes, but I really like a bit of reliability or, should I say, computability.

Thomas



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 15 14:23:01 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 11:23:01 -0700
Subject: Livecode server at Dreamhost
In-Reply-To: <5A343209-D0E5-4B9E-85C0-E1C8D2F03B70@vonfintel.org>
References: <5A343209-D0E5-4B9E-85C0-E1C8D2F03B70@vonfintel.org>
Message-ID: <55A6A505.1040002@fourthworld.com>

Thomas von Fintel wrote:
 > Am 15.07.2015 um 19:40 schrieb Richard Gaskin:
 >> ...
 >> When I tested this morning on my Dreamhost server before posting
 >> here, I was able to omit the .htaccess in cgi-in by renaming the
 >> LC Server exe to include .cgi, and update the main .htaccess to
 >> match.
 >
 > That is different in my case. Doing that results in:
 > "Forbidden
 >
 > You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/livecode-server/livecode-
 > community-server.cgi/lc/test2.lc on this server."
 >
 > Maybe there is a permission issue somewhere that makes a difference.

Looks like you found it.  I never put scripts in cgi-bin, just the 
engine file.  I suspect if you moved the .lc files out of cgi-bin you'd 
be able to run them anywhere else that isn't protected the way cgi-bin is.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bruceap at comcast.net  Wed Jul 15 18:42:44 2015
From: bruceap at comcast.net (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 18:42:44 -0400
Subject: recursionlimit mystery!
In-Reply-To: <55A5C6D4.1040101@fourthworld.com>
References: <33603BA7-48DC-4A59-B95E-7E0AB3B88667@comcast.net>
	<55A5C6D4.1040101@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <9730E55F-1EB2-4932-9BF4-F8E85325E027@comcast.net>

I have an app called ?Forward Citation Generator" that looks for so-called ?forward citations? of a patent, i.e., patents that issue _after_ the target patent that cite the target patent. It looks for forward citations of the target patent, then looks for forward citations of that 1st generation of forward citations, and then looks for foward citations of the second generation of forward citations, etc. until it gets to the present day patents and there are no further forward citations. Sometimes that can be 18-20 generations. I started getting a ?too much recursion? error with the default 400000, so I increased it to 20000000 and did not get the error again. It is mostly the 1st generation forward citations that are a measure of the importance of an invention. However, I decided ?why stop there??

I filed Bug Report 15602 on the inability to set the recursionlimit > 65535 via script.


> On Jul 14, 2015, at 10:35 PM, Richard Gaskin <Ambassador at FourthWorld.com> wrote:
> 
> Bruce, I'm curious: what are you doing that requires so much recursion?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Jul 15 20:35:43 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 10:35:43 +1000
Subject: [Ben] HTML5 preloading suggestion...
In-Reply-To: <180ED9E3-0B22-4EA2-9BC2-1DBEAE6A9102@gmail.com>
References: <180ED9E3-0B22-4EA2-9BC2-1DBEAE6A9102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <436D5462-029C-4B3B-94DE-A81F6951274C@sweattechnologies.com>


> On 16 Jul 2015, at 4:06 am, Colin Holgate <colinholgate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I looked at the HTML5 example pages, and they take a while to load. I?ve seen that sort of slowness before, where it took a while to download a lot of graphics. In that particular case each download was completed before the next one starts. The problem was completely solved by allowing more connections at the same time.
> 
> So, if the current version is also assuming one connection at a time, change it to allow six at once.

It looks like it?s just one file:
http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.js <http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.js>

I?m hoping that rather than deploy standalones we have the option to deploy stacks and an engine to run them with the engine pulled from a common CDN and cached.

Cheers

Monte

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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 20:50:34 2015
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:50:34 -0400
Subject: [Ben] HTML5 preloading suggestion...
In-Reply-To: <436D5462-029C-4B3B-94DE-A81F6951274C@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <180ED9E3-0B22-4EA2-9BC2-1DBEAE6A9102@gmail.com>
	<436D5462-029C-4B3B-94DE-A81F6951274C@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <2F2F330E-3ED8-448C-A21A-0ED4FE35E82F@gmail.com>

If that one stack has all the media inside a binary, then yes. If it?s exported as regular HTML5, a lot of media will be individual files.

Those will get cached by HTML5 anyway, but for the first time user if you can download 6 items at the same time, it?s dramatically faster than downloading one at a time.

The number 6 comes from the abilities of the worse browsers by the way. Ironically, IE is the best, with it being able to download 11 things at once.

> On Jul 15, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 4:06 am, Colin Holgate <colinholgate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I looked at the HTML5 example pages, and they take a while to load. I?ve seen that sort of slowness before, where it took a while to download a lot of graphics. In that particular case each download was completed before the next one starts. The problem was completely solved by allowing more connections at the same time.
>> 
>> So, if the current version is also assuming one connection at a time, change it to allow six at once.
> 
> It looks like it?s just one file:
> http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.js <http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.js>
> 
> I?m hoping that rather than deploy standalones we have the option to deploy stacks and an engine to run them with the engine pulled from a common CDN and cached.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
> --
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Jul 15 21:08:10 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:08:10 +1000
Subject: [Ben] HTML5 preloading suggestion...
In-Reply-To: <2F2F330E-3ED8-448C-A21A-0ED4FE35E82F@gmail.com>
References: <180ED9E3-0B22-4EA2-9BC2-1DBEAE6A9102@gmail.com>
	<436D5462-029C-4B3B-94DE-A81F6951274C@sweattechnologies.com>
	<2F2F330E-3ED8-448C-A21A-0ED4FE35E82F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F429833-506C-4342-9A80-72B8FCE12950@sweattechnologies.com>


> On 16 Jul 2015, at 10:50 am, Colin Holgate <colinholgate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Those will get cached by HTML5 anyway, but for the first time user if you can download 6 items at the same time, it?s dramatically faster than downloading one at a time.

I think it?s just the one file though. There does appear to be a reference to a standalone-community.data file that might also get downloaded by standalone-community.js but it?s not all that readable?

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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 21:18:50 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 09:18:50 +0800
Subject: [Ben] HTML5 preloading suggestion...
In-Reply-To: <6F429833-506C-4342-9A80-72B8FCE12950@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <180ED9E3-0B22-4EA2-9BC2-1DBEAE6A9102@gmail.com>
	<436D5462-029C-4B3B-94DE-A81F6951274C@sweattechnologies.com>
	<2F2F330E-3ED8-448C-A21A-0ED4FE35E82F@gmail.com>
	<6F429833-506C-4342-9A80-72B8FCE12950@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <382A330E-F216-4CE0-B330-024712ADCFF5@gmail.com>

By checking with Firebug, it seems the calculator ?page? initially makes 67 HTTP GET requests and then another 3 HTTP requests before the calculator is displayed.

One of these subsequent requests is http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.html.mem <http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.html.mem> which weighs in at 4.7 MB.

Regards

Peter


> On 16 Jul 2015, at 09:08, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 10:50 am, Colin Holgate <colinholgate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Those will get cached by HTML5 anyway, but for the first time user if you can download 6 items at the same time, it?s dramatically faster than downloading one at a time.
> 
> I think it?s just the one file though. There does appear to be a reference to a standalone-community.data file that might also get downloaded by standalone-community.js but it?s not all that readable?
> 
> --
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> 
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From david at viral.academy  Wed Jul 15 22:16:21 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:16:21 +0100
Subject: Livecode Javascript Compiler
Message-ID: <CAGASioOh47gaUHfR_N4mhPH6NLyfRgLcx8tUC=rahrxudwRg2w@mail.gmail.com>

I've a question regarding the roll-out, and eventual functionality of
Livecode HTML5. In the recent roadmap blogpost there was an indication that
compiling the Livecode language to Javascript was achieved relatively
quickly, but that the harder part was the rendering of the interface to the
Canvas object and appropriate bindings together with the message hierarchy.

So why not release a limited Livecode script to Javascript compiler -
something that we can use to create libraries for HTML5 front-ends that are
created without any reference to interface elements. Surely this alone
would be fantastically useful. It would enable faceless libraries that
already exist to be ported to Javascript.

It would seem to me that such a move would achieve the following:

   1. A useful addition to the Livecode community (even when the full HTML5
   export is available)
   2. Early testing of the Javascript compilation engine.
   3. Improved integration with mainstream languages and frameworks

Why wait for the whole and not release and test useful parts early?


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Jul 15 22:46:33 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:46:33 +1000
Subject: [Ben] HTML5 preloading suggestion...
In-Reply-To: <382A330E-F216-4CE0-B330-024712ADCFF5@gmail.com>
References: <180ED9E3-0B22-4EA2-9BC2-1DBEAE6A9102@gmail.com>
	<436D5462-029C-4B3B-94DE-A81F6951274C@sweattechnologies.com>
	<2F2F330E-3ED8-448C-A21A-0ED4FE35E82F@gmail.com>
	<6F429833-506C-4342-9A80-72B8FCE12950@sweattechnologies.com>
	<382A330E-F216-4CE0-B330-024712ADCFF5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64B40140-C505-467A-90DC-EEA0992F8902@sweattechnologies.com>


> On 16 Jul 2015, at 11:18 am, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> One of these subsequent requests is http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.html.mem <http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.html.mem><http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.html.mem <http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.html.mem>> which weighs in at 4.7 MB.


Hmm? it must download a couple more files, I could only see standalone-community.data in the standalone-community.js download which is a huge blob of incomprehensible JS? Anyway it?s all early days I guess I?m just hoping the engine can be cached at least.

Cheers

Monte

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From jhj at jhj.com  Wed Jul 15 23:06:29 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 20:06:29 -0700
Subject: Diesel
Message-ID: <77756DFF-5D0D-4B65-B4A3-100F9532EDBC@jhj.com>

Oh, poor diesel. Having another conniption fit?
Emergency support request sent.




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Jul 16 01:19:19 2015
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 22:19:19 -0700
Subject: Diesel
In-Reply-To: <77756DFF-5D0D-4B65-B4A3-100F9532EDBC@jhj.com>
References: <77756DFF-5D0D-4B65-B4A3-100F9532EDBC@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <55A73ED7.1080204@pdslabs.net>

My pingdom.com notifications tell me it was apparently down from 6:58 PM 
to 8:48 PM Pacific time.

Phil

On 7/15/15 8:06 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:
> Oh, poor diesel. Having another conniption fit?
> Emergency support request sent.
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 01:31:18 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 08:31:18 +0300
Subject: [OT] Leaving Bulgaria?
Message-ID: <55A741A6.2020406@gmail.com>

Having been in Bulgaria, and run a successful EFL school for 10 years I 
feel the need of a change and am
looking for work in Scotland [or the north of England]. I will make my 
CV available within the next few days.

Anyone looking for a competent LiveCode developer and/or instructor 
should contact me.

Richmond Mathewson.



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 01:50:16 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:50:16 +0800
Subject: [BUG] HTMLText <H5> incorrectly converted
In-Reply-To: <55A6A20A.80607@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+uh5kgO2FZWkvJodo5Sc4vWc9YpTH2NQF+D9R6r2PnjgK5Tqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A6A20A.80607@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khUFhT3O-i5-jz=nqysABP64ANKMuDfJf6AGCrLnZKw1A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 2:10 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> I suspect this was modelled on the most common browser interpretations at
> the time, which has changed quite a bit since then. It's been, what, 20
> years?


Which begs the question should LC be sticking to a 20 y/o model or
implementing the current standard.

I notice Richard and Matthias have both commented on the bug suggesting the
<i></i> should be removed.

We'll see what happens.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 02:24:58 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:24:58 +0800
Subject: [OT] Leaving Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <55A741A6.2020406@gmail.com>
References: <55A741A6.2020406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjyrcGa6W_qBy=fqDGA05DK+r9DsGFyerMk5JMXurO1XQ@mail.gmail.com>

What? And I was just planning to visit ;-)

Flying home from Europe 3 days ago the inflight air map thingy had us
flying over Sofia and down towards Istanbul. As we crossed into Bulgaria I
thought "I know someone who lives here" and had a look outside and am
pretty sure we went over Plovdiv. A nice looking city and country - from
33,000ft.

After crossing into Turkey the plane turned due east and tracked across the
Black Sea - a bit too close to Ukraine for my liking.

Good luck with the move.

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Having been in Bulgaria, and run a successful EFL school for 10 years I
> feel the need of a change and am
> looking for work in Scotland [or the north of England]. I will make my CV
> available within the next few days.
>
> Anyone looking for a competent LiveCode developer and/or instructor should
> contact me.
>
> Richmond Mathewson.
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 02:56:30 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 09:56:30 +0300
Subject: [OT] Leaving Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjyrcGa6W_qBy=fqDGA05DK+r9DsGFyerMk5JMXurO1XQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A741A6.2020406@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kjyrcGa6W_qBy=fqDGA05DK+r9DsGFyerMk5JMXurO1XQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A7559E.4020203@gmail.com>

On 16/07/15 09:24, Kay C Lan wrote:
> What? And I was just planning to visit ;-)
>
> Flying home from Europe 3 days ago the inflight air map thingy had us
> flying over Sofia and down towards Istanbul. As we crossed into Bulgaria I
> thought "I know someone who lives here" and had a look outside and am
> pretty sure we went over Plovdiv. A nice looking city and country - from
> 33,000ft.

Almost any country looks good at 33,000 feet.

There is nothing wrong with Bulgaria, as such,

[even if it does have the highest level of corruption in the European 
Union - most
of which is at a high level and does not touch people in their 
day-to-day lives.]

but 10 years is a long time (both in terms of being in one country
and being in one job) and both my wife and I are ready for a change.

Richmond.

>
> After crossing into Turkey the plane turned due east and tracked across the
> Black Sea - a bit too close to Ukraine for my liking.
>
> Good luck with the move.
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Having been in Bulgaria, and run a successful EFL school for 10 years I
>> feel the need of a change and am
>> looking for work in Scotland [or the north of England]. I will make my CV
>> available within the next few days.
>>
>> Anyone looking for a competent LiveCode developer and/or instructor should
>> contact me.
>>
>> Richmond Mathewson.
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 02:58:43 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 09:58:43 +0300
Subject: [OT] Leaving Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjyrcGa6W_qBy=fqDGA05DK+r9DsGFyerMk5JMXurO1XQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A741A6.2020406@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kjyrcGa6W_qBy=fqDGA05DK+r9DsGFyerMk5JMXurO1XQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A75623.3080407@gmail.com>

My Curriculum Vitae is here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c1siq7susx9fvwd/AADUyQ-zRpAr5atu3-gZ4Yjla?dl=0

Richmond Mathewson.



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Thu Jul 16 03:22:42 2015
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 00:22:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Biggest thing since mobile was added to LiveCode
Message-ID: <1437031362135-4693983.post@n4.nabble.com>

In case any of you didn't get a recent email from LiveCode with the news -
the exciting development from Edinburgh is that the HTML5 eagle has landed!
http://livecode.com/ready-html5-deployment-reveals-its-first-preview/

Well it's almost landed - the blog shows off a couple of running HTML5
LiveCode apps (nice trick!) - HTML5-enabled versions of LiveCode still due
in August...

:)

Dave



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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Thu Jul 16 04:39:31 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 10:39:31 +0200
Subject: Livecode Javascript Compiler
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOh47gaUHfR_N4mhPH6NLyfRgLcx8tUC=rahrxudwRg2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOh47gaUHfR_N4mhPH6NLyfRgLcx8tUC=rahrxudwRg2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88cece6c259654d7932c637c77191e6c@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-16 04:16, David Bovill wrote:
> I've a question regarding the roll-out, and eventual functionality of
> Livecode HTML5. In the recent roadmap blogpost there was an indication 
> that
> compiling the Livecode language to Javascript was achieved relatively
> quickly, but that the harder part was the rendering of the interface to 
> the
> Canvas object and appropriate bindings together with the message 
> hierarchy.

Hi David,

We don't compile the LiveCode language to JavaScript -- we compile the 
engine's C++ code to JavaScript, and then use that to run LiveCode 
scripts in the normal way.

> So why not release a limited Livecode script to Javascript compiler

I'm afraid such a thing does not exist, and isn't currently on our 
roadmap.  Sorry to disappoint!

                                     Peter

-- 
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LiveCode Engine Development Team




From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 16 04:53:16 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 09:53:16 +0100
Subject: Chrome, lchttpd and a possible Livecode socket bug?
In-Reply-To: <55A6929F.2070706@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGASioOzfxnbXg0y2o+YUmTCU-3-1YOsabyWAmWNsvX-o5aR-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A6929F.2070706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioOBotSg5Bge9ukaKoZft7wkg=Q_NtQMAhA88o0+J9Hgmw@mail.gmail.com>

Essentially (see below) the idea is that two functional requirements can
(somewhat counter-intuitively) be combined into one software application.
Flexible ease of use and scalable production use.

The first use is a simple minimal scriptable server that I can customise
for my own needs and run in low load situations on a LAN, and the second is
to take exactly the same code and server and scale it using multiple cheap
load balancing servers.

The one thing we don't try to do is serve large or complex HTML sites -
leave that to the existing robust multi-threaded servers. This is more of a
Node type single-threaded, role-your-won, specialist server philosophy.

Thanks for taking your time to answer - as the more heads on this the
better I think it will be. I spent yesterday refactoring Andr?'s stack,
(based largely on mchttp), and also Todd's work. I see the server much
closer to Todd's Node-like approach, but need to add some of the
input-reading loop of revHttp. I also want to add support for POST / PUT /
DELETE etc

Let's call this thing a catchy name = LiveDaemon?

On 15 July 2015 at 18:04, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> David Bovill wrote:
>
> > The prototype I am working on is to create a Livecode daemon/server
> > that has the follewoing functions:
> >
> >    1. Drop dead easy to set up for local use on a laptop, or to serve
> >       a LAN in a teaching / workshop scenario
> >    2. Fast and minimal REST API provider.
> >    3. Deployable behind a load balancing server
> >    4. Plays well with Node, Nginx, Apache in a load balancing
> >       production environment.
>
> In that setup, what is the relationship between the LC daemon and the
> NgineX and Node daemons?


I'm not too familiar with NgineX, but the principle is to use routing /
load-balancing to let existing servers do what they do well at scale, and
fit LiveDaemon into that Mix in flexible ways. By flexible I mean under
Livecode script control. I want to be able to go from "this works on my
Desktop - let me add it in this scaleable way to my server(s)".



> > My understanding is that it should be possible to script the
> > deployment of custom servers in an environment like Linode in a
> > few minutes - whether that be a single Livecode server or several
> > of them behind a load-balancing proxy.
>
> Linode has a good reputation, and I've also had good luck with VPSes from
> InterServer and Chunkhost.


I'll take a look at those. The requirement for me is that they expose all
their functionality via an API, so that we can script deployment in
Livecode. It is amazing to pop up a server in under a minute under script
control, shut it down again and only pay $0.007 for an hours deployment.

The interesting thing I want to explore is scripting the load-balancing /
routing in Livecode.


> I'm also interested in moving beyond using libraries and front and
> > back scripts to exploring the use of chained behaviors in this
> > architecture.
>
> Interesting.  I've used behaviors extensively for UI things, but hadn't
> considered them for server use.  What is the advantage there?


 Essentially it is the combination of avoiding pollution of a global
name-space, and secondly allowing mixin-type construction of libraries.

I have a lot of libraries open - and if I distribute them I have to name
the handlers in awkward syntax to avoid possible name-clashes - and even
then there is no guarantee. Refactoring my libraries into behaviours helps.
I can take a stack and add as many chained behaviour scripts as i want,
then use the stack and I have a custom library. That is especially useful
to take out generic handlers that are shared between several other
libraries.

For instance for LiveDaemon, I abstracted the logging code into it's own
script-only stack, and the core server code into another script-only stack.
If I want a library I set the behavior of a used stack to both behaviors
chained together. If I want the button based server architecture of Todd
and Andre - I just set the behaviors of the button.

> Finally I'm wandering about an architecture which allows you to deploy
> > standalone servers that speak to each other via (as you say) custom
> > binary protocols.
> >
> > I'm going to have a whole bunch of questions I am sure - the first
> > one is whether running a daemon on a cloud based server can be
> > achieved using LiveCode server?
>
> I can't say.  I've never tried using LC Server as a daemon, and I don't
> even use it as a CGI in production work, only for testing to help others.
>
> I use Linux standalones run facelessly with -ui for all server apps,
> mostly because it allows me to run and test everything in the IDE with
> close to zero behavioral differences over runtime.
>

OK - that sounds good. I'll try that. There used to be annoying
requirements for the server to have certain interface related libraries
installed with mc - is this good to go with the standard Ubuntu server side
set up?


> LC Server is a very good choice if you're accustomed to PHP-style
> wokflows, but even when delivering Web pages I don't normally mix much LC
> and HTML in the same file so calling the merge function explicitly is as
> good for me as LC Server's implicit merge.
>

Yes.


> For non-HTML output, such as the binary data you're describing, either the
> LC Server or desktop engines may do well with that (provided the event and
> socket handling in Server is as good as it is in the desktop engine), but
> using a standalone will allow the system to be MUCH more easily testable.


OK - but since the Livecode cgi-based server runs stacks - would it not be
possible to simply get it to run the same stacks??? I wander if it allows
you to use sockets?

One thing I noted in a test is that trying to use normal libURL calls while
serving over sockets failed - I was forced to use shell and curl.


From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 16 05:05:04 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 10:05:04 +0100
Subject: Livecode Javascript Compiler
In-Reply-To: <88cece6c259654d7932c637c77191e6c@livecode.com>
References: <CAGASioOh47gaUHfR_N4mhPH6NLyfRgLcx8tUC=rahrxudwRg2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<88cece6c259654d7932c637c77191e6c@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioOUEQrmc0aG4Y48WZmouFjX0JpAYOwmpn+dhA1=bmnD7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter. What i am keen to get a grip on is how we can interface
Livecode exported Javascritp with existing Javascript in a web page. Are we
going to be stuck with an isolated blob of all Livecode-Javascript in a
page? Or can I make Livecode-Javascript widget that talk to existing pages?

My thought would be if the core Livecode C++ engine has now been refactored
so that the language element - separate from all the GUI and even message
stuff - and that this bit was easy and fast to get exported - then that
would be what we need to create interface independent Javascript libraries
- let's say a library that takes some JSON and exports some JSON with the
webpage handling all the rest of the interactions?

How well will these exported Livecode-Javascript apps play within a web
page - what sort of bi-directional communication is being looked at?

On 16 July 2015 at 09:39, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:

> On 2015-07-16 04:16, David Bovill wrote:
>
>> I've a question regarding the roll-out, and eventual functionality of
>> Livecode HTML5. In the recent roadmap blogpost there was an indication
>> that
>> compiling the Livecode language to Javascript was achieved relatively
>> quickly, but that the harder part was the rendering of the interface to
>> the
>> Canvas object and appropriate bindings together with the message
>> hierarchy.
>>
>
> Hi David,
>
> We don't compile the LiveCode language to JavaScript -- we compile the
> engine's C++ code to JavaScript, and then use that to run LiveCode scripts
> in the normal way.
>
>  So why not release a limited Livecode script to Javascript compiler
>>
>
> I'm afraid such a thing does not exist, and isn't currently on our
> roadmap.  Sorry to disappoint!
>
>                                     Peter
>
> --
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> LiveCode Engine Development Team
>
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From jana.doughty at livecode.com  Thu Jul 16 05:20:27 2015
From: jana.doughty at livecode.com (Jana Doughty)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:20:27 +0200
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
Message-ID: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>

Hi LiveCode Community,

We have a preview of HTML5 Deployment and two demos to share with you!

http://livecode.com/ready-html5-deployment-reveals-its-first-preview/

Enjoy!

Jana




From peter.brett at livecode.com  Thu Jul 16 06:53:21 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:53:21 +0200
Subject: Livecode Javascript Compiler
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOUEQrmc0aG4Y48WZmouFjX0JpAYOwmpn+dhA1=bmnD7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOh47gaUHfR_N4mhPH6NLyfRgLcx8tUC=rahrxudwRg2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<88cece6c259654d7932c637c77191e6c@livecode.com>
	<CAGASioOUEQrmc0aG4Y48WZmouFjX0JpAYOwmpn+dhA1=bmnD7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe67d59149db84c906e3dfae80aaa2b0@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-16 11:05, David Bovill wrote:
> Thanks Peter. What i am keen to get a grip on is how we can interface
> Livecode exported Javascritp with existing Javascript in a web page. 
> Are we
> going to be stuck with an isolated blob of all Livecode-Javascript in a
> page? Or can I make Livecode-Javascript widget that talk to existing 
> pages?
> 
> My thought would be if the core Livecode C++ engine has now been 
> refactored
> so that the language element - separate from all the GUI and even 
> message
> stuff - and that this bit was easy and fast to get exported - then that
> would be what we need to create interface independent Javascript 
> libraries
> - let's say a library that takes some JSON and exports some JSON with 
> the
> webpage handling all the rest of the interactions?
> 
> How well will these exported Livecode-Javascript apps play within a web
> page - what sort of bi-directional communication is being looked at?

Hi David,

We're not actively working towards any of these things at the moment.  
*In principle*, they're all ideas that we'd love to get working!  In 
practice, at the moment we're just trying to get stacks to run properly, 
and we're going to think about branching out to these other exciting 
possibilities once we get towards that point.

I'm personally quite keen on the idea of figuring out how to compile 
LiveCode Builder programs directly to JavaScript, for example!

This is definitely the sort of thing that enthusiastic community members 
could play with, once we release the Community edition of HTML5 support.

                                        Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From kevin at livecode.com  Thu Jul 16 07:02:06 2015
From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:02:06 +0100
Subject: Livecode Javascript Compiler
In-Reply-To: <fe67d59149db84c906e3dfae80aaa2b0@livecode.com>
References: <CAGASioOh47gaUHfR_N4mhPH6NLyfRgLcx8tUC=rahrxudwRg2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<88cece6c259654d7932c637c77191e6c@livecode.com>
	<CAGASioOUEQrmc0aG4Y48WZmouFjX0JpAYOwmpn+dhA1=bmnD7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<fe67d59149db84c906e3dfae80aaa2b0@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <D1CD4CFF.88645%kevin@livecode.com>

This is definitely an area we?re looking at - its on the strategy list.
Just can?t say yet whether it will be during the initial beta cycle or in
a v ?1.1? as it were. It will certainly be early in the evolution of this
technology.

In terms of LCB, remember we designed that from the start to capable
(eventually) of compiling directly to JavaScript. That opens up the
possibility of doing some lighter weight HTML5 specific frameworks down
the line. Right now though as Peter said, the priority for the first
version is to get as much as possible of the platform we already have
working.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps




On 16/07/2015 11:53, "Peter TB Brett" <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:

>On 2015-07-16 11:05, David Bovill wrote:
>> Thanks Peter. What i am keen to get a grip on is how we can interface
>> Livecode exported Javascritp with existing Javascript in a web page.
>> Are we
>> going to be stuck with an isolated blob of all Livecode-Javascript in a
>> page? Or can I make Livecode-Javascript widget that talk to existing
>> pages?
>> 
>> My thought would be if the core Livecode C++ engine has now been
>> refactored
>> so that the language element - separate from all the GUI and even
>> message
>> stuff - and that this bit was easy and fast to get exported - then that
>> would be what we need to create interface independent Javascript
>> libraries
>> - let's say a library that takes some JSON and exports some JSON with
>> the
>> webpage handling all the rest of the interactions?
>> 
>> How well will these exported Livecode-Javascript apps play within a web
>> page - what sort of bi-directional communication is being looked at?
>
>Hi David,
>
>We're not actively working towards any of these things at the moment.
>*In principle*, they're all ideas that we'd love to get working!  In
>practice, at the moment we're just trying to get stacks to run properly,
>and we're going to think about branching out to these other exciting
>possibilities once we get towards that point.
>
>I'm personally quite keen on the idea of figuring out how to compile
>LiveCode Builder programs directly to JavaScript, for example!
>
>This is definitely the sort of thing that enthusiastic community members
>could play with, once we release the Community edition of HTML5 support.
>
>                                        Peter
>
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Thu Jul 16 07:08:42 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:08:42 +0200
Subject: [Ben] HTML5 preloading suggestion...
In-Reply-To: <436D5462-029C-4B3B-94DE-A81F6951274C@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <180ED9E3-0B22-4EA2-9BC2-1DBEAE6A9102@gmail.com>
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On 2015-07-16 02:35, Monte Goulding wrote:
>> On 16 Jul 2015, at 4:06 am, Colin Holgate <colinholgate at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I looked at the HTML5 example pages, and they take a while to load. 
>> I?ve seen that sort of slowness before, where it took a while to 
>> download a lot of graphics. In that particular case each download was 
>> completed before the next one starts. The problem was completely 
>> solved by allowing more connections at the same time.
>> 
>> So, if the current version is also assuming one connection at a time, 
>> change it to allow six at once.
> 
> It looks like it?s just one file:
> http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.js
> <http://livecode.com/demo/html5/calculator/standalone-community.js>
> 
> I?m hoping that rather than deploy standalones we have the option to
> deploy stacks and an engine to run them with the engine pulled from a
> common CDN and cached.

At the moment -- and I'm working on changing that right now -- the demo 
standalones consist of three files:

* standalone-community.js is the engine itself.  It is the same for all 
stacks.
* standalone-community.html.mem is the initial memory image for the 
engine.  As above.
* standalone-community.data is a file system image that contains the 
stack file(s) and other essential resources.

At the moment, we are expecting that people who deploy standalones will 
configure their web servers to ask browsers to cache the engine and 
initial memory image.

If I was designing a larger app using HTML5 support, I would probably 
put a "splash screen" stack in the standalone, and then get the splash 
screen to download additional stacks and resources using "get url", 
while giving progress feedback.

                                        Peter

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LiveCode Engine Development Team




From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 16 08:20:44 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:20:44 +0100
Subject: Livecode Javascript Compiler
In-Reply-To: <D1CD4CFF.88645%kevin@livecode.com>
References: <CAGASioOh47gaUHfR_N4mhPH6NLyfRgLcx8tUC=rahrxudwRg2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<88cece6c259654d7932c637c77191e6c@livecode.com>
	<CAGASioOUEQrmc0aG4Y48WZmouFjX0JpAYOwmpn+dhA1=bmnD7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<fe67d59149db84c906e3dfae80aaa2b0@livecode.com>
	<D1CD4CFF.88645%kevin@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioNORXZu1bs4QXwsiuNon+bvn4pASSjyzZcf9geFOBo-TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Kevin and Peter - its very useful to have a soft indication of the
direction you are heading.

So my understanding now is that Livecode Builder - being the robust
strongly typed language that compilers like - lends to being something that
could be run through the compiler chain you are creating to export
Javascript. For instance a Livecode Builder library - would be the sort of
thing that could be compiled into a Javascript library that would then be
called by standard HTML5/Javascript on a web page. This would be the same
as emsripten ports of other languages like perl -
https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki/Porting-Examples-and-Demos

However as your priority is to create a full export of stacks to the web -
creating a Livecode Builder library export tool chain is something that
we'd need to do as a community project or wait :)

The one thing I would like to understand is how you would expose interfaces
to the resulting exported JS code - are there any links to how you would do
this / any thoughts regarding how Livecode.js exports would do this? Here I
can see how you can expose C functions:

   -
   http://kripken.github.io/emscripten-site/docs/api_reference/preamble.js.html#calling-compiled-c-functions-from-javascript

So my question would be how is this extended so that a handler in Livecode
Builder is exposed?


On 16 July 2015 at 12:02, Kevin Miller <kevin at livecode.com> wrote:

> This is definitely an area we?re looking at - its on the strategy list.
> Just can?t say yet whether it will be during the initial beta cycle or in
> a v ?1.1? as it were. It will certainly be early in the evolution of this
> technology.
>
> In terms of LCB, remember we designed that from the start to capable
> (eventually) of compiling directly to JavaScript. That opens up the
> possibility of doing some lighter weight HTML5 specific frameworks down
> the line. Right now though as Peter said, the priority for the first
> version is to get as much as possible of the platform we already have
> working.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>
>
>
>
> On 16/07/2015 11:53, "Peter TB Brett" <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2015-07-16 11:05, David Bovill wrote:
> >> Thanks Peter. What i am keen to get a grip on is how we can interface
> >> Livecode exported Javascritp with existing Javascript in a web page.
> >> Are we
> >> going to be stuck with an isolated blob of all Livecode-Javascript in a
> >> page? Or can I make Livecode-Javascript widget that talk to existing
> >> pages?
> >>
> >> My thought would be if the core Livecode C++ engine has now been
> >> refactored
> >> so that the language element - separate from all the GUI and even
> >> message
> >> stuff - and that this bit was easy and fast to get exported - then that
> >> would be what we need to create interface independent Javascript
> >> libraries
> >> - let's say a library that takes some JSON and exports some JSON with
> >> the
> >> webpage handling all the rest of the interactions?
> >>
> >> How well will these exported Livecode-Javascript apps play within a web
> >> page - what sort of bi-directional communication is being looked at?
> >
> >Hi David,
> >
> >We're not actively working towards any of these things at the moment.
> >*In principle*, they're all ideas that we'd love to get working!  In
> >practice, at the moment we're just trying to get stacks to run properly,
> >and we're going to think about branching out to these other exciting
> >possibilities once we get towards that point.
> >
> >I'm personally quite keen on the idea of figuring out how to compile
> >LiveCode Builder programs directly to JavaScript, for example!
> >
> >This is definitely the sort of thing that enthusiastic community members
> >could play with, once we release the Community edition of HTML5 support.
> >
> >                                        Peter
> >
> >--
> >Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> >LiveCode Engine Development Team
> >
> >
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From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 16 08:46:50 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:46:50 +0100
Subject: Drag and Drop with HTML5 Export?
Message-ID: <CAGASioPga+ZZEOjBCm+FZ-Ks5H=Ew7QYk0BZtP+HQWVm=BG4eA@mail.gmail.com>

Is this something that looks like it will be part of the first alpha? Have
any test been done with drag and drop - or are we a way off establishing
whether this will work?


From peter.brett at livecode.com  Thu Jul 16 08:54:36 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:54:36 +0200
Subject: Drag and Drop with HTML5 =?UTF-8?Q?Export=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPga+ZZEOjBCm+FZ-Ks5H=Ew7QYk0BZtP+HQWVm=BG4eA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioPga+ZZEOjBCm+FZ-Ks5H=Ew7QYk0BZtP+HQWVm=BG4eA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ea75432464c1563b3ad22adde8080dc@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-16 14:46, David Bovill wrote:
> Is this something that looks like it will be part of the first alpha? 
> Have
> any test been done with drag and drop - or are we a way off 
> establishing
> whether this will work?

We do not currently plan to enable drag and drop in time for the first 
prototype release.

                                        Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 16 09:23:25 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:23:25 +0100
Subject: Drag and Drop with HTML5 Export?
In-Reply-To: <2ea75432464c1563b3ad22adde8080dc@livecode.com>
References: <CAGASioPga+ZZEOjBCm+FZ-Ks5H=Ew7QYk0BZtP+HQWVm=BG4eA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ea75432464c1563b3ad22adde8080dc@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioNd1=rk7wf5h2EfakXkm=a1v_vSynYL5VQg475ssxMk4g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the head-up Peter.

On 16 July 2015 at 13:54, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:

> On 2015-07-16 14:46, David Bovill wrote:
>
>> Is this something that looks like it will be part of the first alpha? Have
>> any test been done with drag and drop - or are we a way off establishing
>> whether this will work?
>>
>
> We do not currently plan to enable drag and drop in time for the first
> prototype release.
>
>                                        Peter
>
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> LiveCode Engine Development Team
>
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Jul 16 09:33:20 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 09:33:20 -0400
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
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On my Galaxy S4 the word "Calculator" is overlapping the web page path and I
get an "Exception thrown, see JavaScript console" in the bottom area.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Jana Doughty
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 5:20 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!

Hi LiveCode Community,

We have a preview of HTML5 Deployment and two demos to share with you!

http://livecode.com/ready-html5-deployment-reveals-its-first-preview/

Enjoy!

Jana


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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Thu Jul 16 09:39:18 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:39:18 +0200
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <004e01d0bfcb$fb175120$f145f360$@net>
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On 2015-07-16 15:33, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> On my Galaxy S4 the word "Calculator" is overlapping the web page path 
> and I
> get an "Exception thrown, see JavaScript console" in the bottom area.

Which browser are you using?

                                  Peter

-- 
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LiveCode Engine Development Team




From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 16 09:41:22 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:41:22 +0200
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <1b67228897c7783d8a4c16422de3ed8c@livecode.com>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
	<004e01d0bfcb$fb175120$f145f360$@net>
	<1b67228897c7783d8a4c16422de3ed8c@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <962E882F-060C-4ABE-8087-9FD05A118E3C@major-k.de>

Hi all,

> Am 16.07.2015 um 15:39 schrieb Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>:
> 
> On 2015-07-16 15:33, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> On my Galaxy S4 the word "Calculator" is overlapping the web page path and I
>> get an "Exception thrown, see JavaScript console" in the bottom area.
> Which browser are you using?

same here on my desktop MacMini with Safari 8.04, OS X 10.10.4.

I could click ONE button in the calculator and that was it. 8-)

> Peter
> -- 
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> LiveCode Engine Development Team

Best

Klaus

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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Thu Jul 16 09:51:14 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:51:14 +0200
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <962E882F-060C-4ABE-8087-9FD05A118E3C@major-k.de>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
	<004e01d0bfcb$fb175120$f145f360$@net>
	<1b67228897c7783d8a4c16422de3ed8c@livecode.com>
	<962E882F-060C-4ABE-8087-9FD05A118E3C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <16ed1b6869e241a1497aa2cca0d8f5b2@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-16 15:41, Klaus major-k wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>> Am 16.07.2015 um 15:39 schrieb Peter TB Brett 
>> <peter.brett at livecode.com>:
>> 
>> On 2015-07-16 15:33, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>>> On my Galaxy S4 the word "Calculator" is overlapping the web page 
>>> path and I
>>> get an "Exception thrown, see JavaScript console" in the bottom area.
>> Which browser are you using?
> 
> same here on my desktop MacMini with Safari 8.04, OS X 10.10.4.
> 
> I could click ONE button in the calculator and that was it. 8-)

As it says on the web page, you must currently be using the latest 
version of Chrome, Firefox or Safari in order to run the demos.

For Safari, you should therefore upgrade to 8.07.  See 
<https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204416>.

                                           Peter

-- 
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LiveCode Engine Development Team




From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Thu Jul 16 09:55:52 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 09:55:52 -0400
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <16ed1b6869e241a1497aa2cca0d8f5b2@livecode.com>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
	<004e01d0bfcb$fb175120$f145f360$@net>
	<1b67228897c7783d8a4c16422de3ed8c@livecode.com>
	<962E882F-060C-4ABE-8087-9FD05A118E3C@major-k.de>
	<16ed1b6869e241a1497aa2cca0d8f5b2@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXMrARO0y+GurYDU+H-P1p1562mEGjBpPRDQ4pb6FH=2Vw@mail.gmail.com>

So the latest Chrome or Firefox for Android is supported too?  The note
doesn't say Desktop only.


On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
wrote:

> As it says on the web page, you must currently be using the latest version
> of Chrome, Firefox or Safari in order to run the demos.
>                                           Peter
>
> --
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> LiveCode Engine Development Team
>


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Jul 16 09:59:35 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:59:35 +0200
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
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	<004e01d0bfcb$fb175120$f145f360$@net>
	<1b67228897c7783d8a4c16422de3ed8c@livecode.com>
	<962E882F-060C-4ABE-8087-9FD05A118E3C@major-k.de>
	<16ed1b6869e241a1497aa2cca0d8f5b2@livecode.com>
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> Am 16.07.2015 um 15:51 schrieb Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>:
> 
> On 2015-07-16 15:41, Klaus major-k wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>> Am 16.07.2015 um 15:39 schrieb Peter TB Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>:
>>> On 2015-07-16 15:33, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>>>> On my Galaxy S4 the word "Calculator" is overlapping the web page path and I
>>>> get an "Exception thrown, see JavaScript console" in the bottom area.
>>> Which browser are you using?
>> same here on my desktop MacMini with Safari 8.04, OS X 10.10.4.
>> I could click ONE button in the calculator and that was it. 8-)
> 
> As it says on the web page, you must currently be using the latest version of Chrome, Firefox or Safari in order to run the demos.
> 
> For Safari, you should therefore upgrade to 8.07.  See <https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204416>.

sorry, my fault, I wear glasses 8-)
I AM actually using Safari 8.0.7.

> Peter
> 
> -- 
> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> LiveCode Engine Development Team

Best

Klaus

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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Jul 16 10:01:21 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 10:01:21 -0400
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <1b67228897c7783d8a4c16422de3ed8c@livecode.com>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>	<004e01d0bfcb$fb175120$f145f360$@net>
	<1b67228897c7783d8a4c16422de3ed8c@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <005501d0bfcf$e54bf400$afe3dc00$@net>

Built in browser==> Java Exception
Chrome==>Runs but right side is cut off and you can't slide it into view and
a 9 is in the result when started
Firefox==>Runs but right side is cut off and you can't slide it into view
and a 9 is in the result when started
Dolphin==> Locks up.


Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 9:39 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: RE: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!

On 2015-07-16 15:33, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> On my Galaxy S4 the word "Calculator" is overlapping the web page path 
> and I get an "Exception thrown, see JavaScript console" in the bottom 
> area.

Which browser are you using?

                                  Peter

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From mkoob at rogers.com  Thu Jul 16 10:02:10 2015
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 07:02:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <962E882F-060C-4ABE-8087-9FD05A118E3C@major-k.de>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
	<004e01d0bfcb$fb175120$f145f360$@net>
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Good to see progress is being made.

With Safari version 8.02 on a Mac Mini OS X 10.10.1 both demos load and
work. 
On a Mac with the latest version of Chrome Version 43.0.2357.134 (64-bit) 
works as well.

I can click more than one button and perform all the operations on the
calculator.

However, one thing I noticed with the calculator though is if you click the
same number several times quickly the second click will not register but the
third and subsequent ones will.  i.e. click '7' button  5 times in a row
quickly you will get 4 7's. 

Should such bugs be reported through livecode QA?

Martin



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	<CAG1cpSrQYmtTiYTFsWY2mfZ716mZiYFugyHX1U6MaKYUcFZmQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<552FDEB9.4080509@LinkIt.Com>
	<CAG1cpSr1Tsk_jLfT0s5qf36dO9iLRAAq3uHtYE3oV3UAGR8f4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSo+02R3Bi9G1r0tak7ks-=PdKf_O0q8xR5RaYUK_DHFGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5530142E.2090301@LinkIt.Com>
	<74C1A3CB-FECE-4A00-9BA5-63BC50CC7A77@major-k.de>
	<553022ED.6070206@LinkIt.Com>
	<2207EE84-F2CC-4FF7-9B64-6FE7025F8AE0@major-k.de>
	<CAG1cpSozUiBUhvQAvgsStk4KqhiYmwcRoP22fhW5_iMvgSffbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55302788.4080207@LinkIt.Com>
	<CAG1cpSpeRyaoPjGJ7jQZ68kG+ahAwJUGrX4SZqy7dHhu-1yzvQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSotRcEhtc2o=GnkJLeyfYmnEYMXqJGGF55Yq-QfjPOdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55302E97.4030101@LinkIt.Com>
	<CAG1cpSoL69BYr3jotKwc4WAwjSEdr8-CA+R9QaEyhctUhqaf3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<5530F512.6070502@LinkIt.Com> <55350D08.2010904@LinkIt.Com>
	<55352FCF.60805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A8110D.3000501@LinkIt.Com>

I'd love to control letterbox as a setting for fullScreenMode on mobile, 
set how wide the margins are, specify a color for them instead of black 
and maybe even using an image for the margins instead of a solid color.

Does anybody have any experience with this?



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 16 16:24:59 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:24:59 -0500
Subject: put url web service timeout
In-Reply-To: <002001d0bf21$f2d33ba0$d879b2e0$@net>
References: <CAGDT7ePhiVrSbe9=ojfDEaih_8To_b0OAs6maixRhz7PhUjJzQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5595589F.9000007@fourthworld.com>	<CAGDT7eOqNViDvKaG9cZBjP5rmsgAYsDj=+6JMiS639sg6Owjug@mail.gmail.com>	<D1BABAF3.69546%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<CAGDT7ePAfYqjJL3JTk3R=fcSVra1XuwEPhivOGQNKgfWomMiuw@mail.gmail.com>	<D1BAE798.69593%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<553309B4-DE54-45A5-8165-16AFB6C0372A@iotecdigital.com>	<CA+uh5kgQHk3ni_1e3bjCZKa1ViV7HuNM9ptbO_fs=SNB43LEAw@mail.gmail.com>	<77375E9F-ED17-4AF9-A18D-357D895181BF@iotecdigital.com>	<D1C02CA8.696C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<007001d0b82a$d5d24990$8176dcb0$@net>	<0E8B7A3E-CEBE-4682-A635-CCE4146C8846@sahores-conseil.com>
	<002001d0bf21$f2d33ba0$d879b2e0$@net>
Message-ID: <55A8131B.9010703@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/15/2015 12:16 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> The Dictionary says the socketTimeoutInterval is not supported on
> mobile but I tried it anyway. To my joy it works on mobile!!
>
> I want to pass this little gem along and find out what is the best
> way to report errors in the LC Dictionary.

Use the QCC to enter a bug report as usual. Prefix the subject with 
"[Docs]" so it gets attention from the right person.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 16 16:39:48 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:39:48 +0100
Subject: Filing Bugs is so hard - bugzilla is buggy
Message-ID: <CAGASioMiKG0RUhBEbL4qOo_nee=i=LXxWTkAbNMurFXdTDXvgA@mail.gmail.com>

I'd love to file a bug. I'm getting a crash when I set a behavior. I've
tried logging in - no joy. So resetting password (3 times) - no email sent
as far as I can tell.

Can we not now finally move over to Github for filing issues - and move
into the 21st century?


From prothero at earthednet.org  Thu Jul 16 17:07:56 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:07:56 -0700
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
Message-ID: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>

Folks:
I have an application that is being used by a class of Earth Science students and get failure reports from two who use Windows 8. One lives in Australia and one lives in Japan. The app works fine on Macintosh. I?ve also tested it on my own installation of both Windows 8.1 and 7, 32 bit and 64 bit versions. I can?t get the reported pixellation of the map and screen. 

I?m wondering if it is something related to foreign installations. The symptom is extreme pixellation of images captured with the "export snapshot? command. I live in the US.

So, I wonder if somebody with Windows 8 would be willing to download the app and try it, and perhaps give me an idea of what might be going on. If it?s a bug in ?snapshot?, it would be important to be reported and fixed. Otherwise, I?m pretty stuck on figuring out what is going on. 

Here are links:
Windows zip file of the app:? <https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsn087vrhstxvg4/PT_Explorer-Windows.zip?dl=0>
Pixellated Image sent by a student <https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer%20in%20Windows%208.1.pdf?dl=0>

Thanks for any help or feedback you can give me. 

Regards,
Bill


William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Jul 16 19:58:22 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:58:22 +1000
Subject: [Ben] HTML5 preloading suggestion...
In-Reply-To: <9904e4edcf8d259f71dc71aa43c9e840@livecode.com>
References: <180ED9E3-0B22-4EA2-9BC2-1DBEAE6A9102@gmail.com>
	<436D5462-029C-4B3B-94DE-A81F6951274C@sweattechnologies.com>
	<9904e4edcf8d259f71dc71aa43c9e840@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <ECC9A393-16BF-4547-B2FA-DA39807C3387@sweattechnologies.com>

Thanks for the input Peter

> At the moment -- and I'm working on changing that right now -- the demo standalones consist of three files:
> 
> * standalone-community.js is the engine itself.  It is the same for all stacks.
> * standalone-community.html.mem is the initial memory image for the engine.  As above.
> * standalone-community.data is a file system image that contains the stack file(s) and other essential resources.


Do all three files need to be in the same directory? It seems to me it would be nice to deliver the first two files from some common repository so we are all caching the engine for each other.

Cheers

Monte

--
M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/> 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 16 21:46:57 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:46:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150717T034542-670@post.gmane.org>

Jana Doughty <jana.doughty at ...> writes:

> We have a preview of HTML5 Deployment and two demos to share with you!

Wow.
A calculator on a website.
Welcome to 1995, folks.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 16 22:13:28 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:13:28 -0500
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150717T034542-670@post.gmane.org>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
	<loom.20150717T034542-670@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <D2588021-D3B1-44BB-8207-D4ECD69E4C72@hyperactivesw.com>

On July 16, 2015 8:46:57 PM CDT, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>Jana Doughty <jana.doughty at ...> writes:
>
>> We have a preview of HTML5 Deployment and two demos to share with
>you!
>
>Wow.
>A calculator on a website.
>Welcome to 1995, folks.

Next time it's your turn to translate the entire engine. 
-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 16 23:11:09 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:11:09 -0700
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <D2588021-D3B1-44BB-8207-D4ECD69E4C72@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>	<loom.20150717T034542-670@post.gmane.org>
	<D2588021-D3B1-44BB-8207-D4ECD69E4C72@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <55A8724D.2000701@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/16/2015 07:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Next time it's your turn to translate the entire engine.

Heh.

But here's the thing...
If I were trying to wow folks with a preview of what's coming, I 
wouldn't try to do it with a rehash of something we used to do 20 years 
ago in not many lines of javascript onClick() handlers.

The bouncy balls thing is a bit better, although I almost gave up on 
waiting for the download to happen.

But not much better, considering the things I can do with a few lines of 
javascript with a library such as famous.

I love the 3d physics engine here.
http://famous.org/

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From jhj at jhj.com  Thu Jul 16 23:14:17 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:14:17 -0700
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150717T034542-670@post.gmane.org>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
	<loom.20150717T034542-670@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <11670A0F-198D-4FA8-BDEB-EE8A0135AE47@jhj.com>


> On Jul 16, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> Jana Doughty <jana.doughty at ...> writes:
> 
>> We have a preview of HTML5 Deployment and two demos to share with you!
> 
> Wow.
> A calculator on a website.
> Welcome to 1995, folks.

In the ?70?s in Seattle (and maybe other places), somebody marketed ?telecalc?, a service that would make your touch-tone phone into a speaking calculator. It didn?t last long. Just for grins, I divided by 0 and it hung up the phone.
.Jerry





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 17 00:17:13 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:17:13 -0700
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <11670A0F-198D-4FA8-BDEB-EE8A0135AE47@jhj.com>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>	<loom.20150717T034542-670@post.gmane.org>
	<11670A0F-198D-4FA8-BDEB-EE8A0135AE47@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <55A881C9.1070502@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/16/2015 08:14 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:

> Just for grins, I divided by 0 and it hung up the phone.

Hee. That was the first thing I tried with this one too.
It just ignored me.

So then I tried overflowing.
Did fine with big numbers, except that they were wrong.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul 17 01:02:31 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 01:02:31 -0400
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <11670A0F-198D-4FA8-BDEB-EE8A0135AE47@jhj.com>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>	<loom.20150717T034542-670@post.gmane.org>
	<11670A0F-198D-4FA8-BDEB-EE8A0135AE47@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <009301d0c04d$c97d9610$5c78c230$@net>

I wrote user i/o for FP numbers on a custom super computer. I took care of every case I could imagine...11, 1.23, 1. E-10, 33 e2, 000.0001.... The person I demoed it for typed "+0". The entire super computer crashed faster than......

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Jensen
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:14 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!


> On Jul 16, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> Jana Doughty <jana.doughty at ...> writes:
> 
>> We have a preview of HTML5 Deployment and two demos to share with you!
> 
> Wow.
> A calculator on a website.
> Welcome to 1995, folks.

In the ?70?s in Seattle (and maybe other places), somebody marketed ?telecalc?, a service that would make your touch-tone phone into a speaking calculator. It didn?t last long. Just for grins, I divided by 0 and it hung up the phone.
.Jerry



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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 17 01:12:35 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:12:35 -0700
Subject: Catch a Glimpse of HTML5!
In-Reply-To: <009301d0c04d$c97d9610$5c78c230$@net>
References: <94f39d1281d870cc137f70d1aa0b69b7.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>	<loom.20150717T034542-670@post.gmane.org>	<11670A0F-198D-4FA8-BDEB-EE8A0135AE47@jhj.com>
	<009301d0c04d$c97d9610$5c78c230$@net>
Message-ID: <55A88EC3.3010301@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/16/2015 10:02 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> I wrote user i/o for FP numbers on a custom super computer. I took care of every case I could imagine...11, 1.23, 1. E-10, 33 e2, 000.0001.... The person I demoed it for typed "+0". The entire super computer crashed faster than......

Users... can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em...

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From david at viral.academy  Fri Jul 17 03:57:24 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:57:24 +0100
Subject: Famously Off Topic
Message-ID: <CAGASioO3CnfMurfSmvPG5cymwx7bmKQROgrcwvZ16bjMW9MyAg@mail.gmail.com>

Famous.org - that's a new one to me - it looks really great thanks for the
link Mark.

*OT*
The thing for me is this. We're an island and we should be a hub.

In particular Livecode needs to take real advantage of advances in browser
technology. There are so many cool Javascript projects coming out - but we
can't benefit from them - properly. That's the killer.

Most of the pieces are there - just not quite. The browser object is nearly
right. The HTML5 export is nearly right. It's just this all-in-one-thing.

There seems to be this overriding idea that Livecode is a self-contained
ecosystem, and everything has to be made within Livecode. That Livecode is
only valuable to users as a drop-dead easy, do-everything environment. I
suspect the market research of the existing customer base reinforces this
somewhat.

That logic means - don't deliver pieces, deliver entire environments. It
means treating other languages as threats and competition, rather than
partners in a collaborative ecosystem of tools.

How about reversing this logic?

What would we get if we started with the existing Livecode tool chain.
Asked ourselves what works what's really valuable and unique, but then
focussed on building something simple focussing on step-by-step integration
with the best tools and frameworks out there?

Rough thoughts:

   - Start with a minimal IDE - more like a stack-runner
   - Make it beautiful. Forget clunky half-right interfaces.
   - Tell stories with video and sound.
   - Strengthen the multimedia support by integrating with the best
   opensource tool chains for audio and video production. Involve artists.
   - Build out towards the best projects, using integration with API's and
   command line, sockets, embedded browser
   - Plan for full integration with widgets and LCB
   - Reconfigure sharing, community and IDE to look out towards external
   communities.
   - Use the network - think NPM not DMG
   - Concentrate on the value of prototypes, and flexible tool chain
   integration hubs - not stand-alone-building.

I think we need a fork.


On 17 July 2015 at 04:11, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> On 07/16/2015 07:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>  Next time it's your turn to translate the entire engine.
>>
>
> Heh.
>
> But here's the thing...
> If I were trying to wow folks with a preview of what's coming, I wouldn't
> try to do it with a rehash of something we used to do 20 years ago in not
> many lines of javascript onClick() handlers.
>
> The bouncy balls thing is a bit better, although I almost gave up on
> waiting for the download to happen.
>
> But not much better, considering the things I can do with a few lines of
> javascript with a library such as famous.
>
> I love the 3d physics engine here.
> http://famous.org/
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Fri Jul 17 04:11:33 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:11:33 +0200
Subject: [Ben] HTML5 preloading suggestion...
In-Reply-To: <ECC9A393-16BF-4547-B2FA-DA39807C3387@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <180ED9E3-0B22-4EA2-9BC2-1DBEAE6A9102@gmail.com>
	<436D5462-029C-4B3B-94DE-A81F6951274C@sweattechnologies.com>
	<9904e4edcf8d259f71dc71aa43c9e840@livecode.com>
	<ECC9A393-16BF-4547-B2FA-DA39807C3387@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <4d3ca70b925168ff7b2b1b1912748719@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-17 01:58, Monte Goulding wrote:
> Thanks for the input Peter
> 
>> At the moment -- and I'm working on changing that right now -- the 
>> demo standalones consist of three files:
>> 
>> * standalone-community.js is the engine itself.  It is the same for 
>> all stacks.
>> * standalone-community.html.mem is the initial memory image for the 
>> engine.  As above.
>> * standalone-community.data is a file system image that contains the 
>> stack file(s) and other essential resources.
> 
> 
> Do all three files need to be in the same directory? It seems to me it
> would be nice to deliver the first two files from some common
> repository so we are all caching the engine for each other.

At the moment, they need to be accessible at the same URL path.  But 
don't forget that you could just use a HTTP "302 Redirect" response to 
redirect requests to wherever you like.

                                 Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From sebastien.nouat at livecode.com  Fri Jul 17 05:50:35 2015
From: sebastien.nouat at livecode.com (Sebastien Nouat)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:50:35 +0100
Subject: Release 6.7.7 RC 1 / 7.1.0 DP 1
Message-ID: <55A8CFEB.1020405@livecode.com>

Dear List Members,

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.7 RC 1 and 7.1.0 
DP 1. Up to that point, LiveCode 6.7 and LiveCode 7.0 maintenance 
versions have been kept in synchronisation, to make the link between the 
bug fixes easier; but with the introduction of new features in LiveCode 
7, the new release is no longer a maintenance release, and has a new 
version number: LiveCode 7.1

Nonetheless, all the bugs fixed in LiveCode 6.7.7 onwards will continue 
to be merged up into LiveCode 7.1, following the former fashion.

**6.7.7 RC 1**
6.7.7 RC 1 is a maintenance release which contains bug fixes; the list 
can be found in the Release Notes.


**7.1.0 DP 1**
7.1.0 DP 1 is a development release which contains bug fixes and the 
introduction of new features: the ability to use sockets on mobile 
platforms, and the function /mobileLaunchData/.

More explanations about the new features can be found in the Release 
Notes, in the Engine Changes section.


*Getting the Release*
To get the release please download the installer directly at: 
http://downloads.livecode.com
*

***6.7.7 RC 2 / 7.1.0 DP 2* *
The release of the next builds is planned to be done in the course of 
next week. In case the new features are not bringing any issue in the 
engine, the next release for LiveCode 7.1.0 will be 7.1.0 RC 1.

You can follow our release schedule on our GitHub repository 
<https://github.com/runrev/livecode/milestones>.

Warm regards,

The LiveCode Team


From david at viral.academy  Fri Jul 17 06:28:37 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:28:37 +0100
Subject: OT: No More Servers
Message-ID: <CAGASioOncrepwwvpww3ow36Lv2F5ZQBQE2kwpQjF4AMCSytfQA@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone on this list interested in topics of decentralised architecture?
I've a long standing interest in them, and there are some very interesting
new tools that I feel are of deep relevance to Livecode and the Livecode
community.

A decentralised architecture is one without servers - communication is P2P.
Federated architectures are also interesting, and a mix of both is even
better.

There are a number of advantages for the Livecode community:

   - Stacks and assets are served without a central server
   - No centralised bandwidth and hosting costs
   - No classical denai-of-service attack issues
   - New non-web tool chains posible
   - New authentication and security models

The last two are interesting. Classic web client-server architectures are
very mature on other platforms. A huge amount of this infrastructure is
involved in scaling, and managing users. So web servers, caching, proxies,
user management, sessions, authentication etc

If you take a close look at code bases of major projects, a great deal of
it is taken up by managing this basic stuff, and surprisingly little on the
actual application. All these areas are also the very areas that Livecode
is weakest on. We don't have oAuth libraries, robust servers and so on. So
we tend to play in this environment as second class citizens.

With P2P architectures this is different. Stacks and files are simply
served by the architecture in a scalable way. Session and user management
is often completely different, often using public key infrastructure, and
sometimes taken care for you by the platform itself.

Another thing makes it of particular interest to Livecode. Many of these
architectures are no scripted in python / ruby / php etc. They are in C/C++
or Go. Livecode plays much better with these low level languages. LCB will
allow us to extend Livecode to be a full integrated citizen in these
architectures.

If anyone is interested in exploring this area - I'm starting a *research
group* looking into using Livecode in decentralised environments. I'm going
to start weekly Hangouts and make recordings - much like the Livecode TV
sessions I started a few years back - but with a bit different technology.

Hangout this Sunday anyone?


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 06:52:06 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:52:06 +0300
Subject: Totally Loopy
Message-ID: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>

I am animating a series of images like this:

on animaSHun
    set the vis of img "M1" to true
    set the vis of img "M4" to false
    wait 4 ticks
     set the vis of img "M2" to true
    set the vis of img "M1" to false
    wait 4 ticks
     set the vis of img "M3" to true
    set the vis of img "M2" to false
    wait 4 ticks
    set the vis of img "M4" to true
    set the vis of img "M3" to false
    wait 4 ticks
    animaSHun
end animaSHun

and there I was feeling proud of myself for having been "so" clever, BUT 
I was wrong . . .

Now in the same cardScript I have an "on arrowKey" script to let me move 
the animation
around the card with the arrow keys on my keyboard . . .

But that "animaSHun" routine goes round and round (as, indeed, it 
should) and the arrowKeys
are quite unable to "get a word in edgeways"; in fact the only way to 
stop the thing
is by crashing LiveCode.

I would be grateful if anyone could tell me how to get a word in 
edgeways while keeping the animation going.

Yup: I know I could just use an animated GIF image . . . but, call me 
bloody-minded, I have my
reasons for not using one.

Richmond.



From peter.brett at livecode.com  Fri Jul 17 06:57:58 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 12:57:58 +0200
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <836ecc16b0a5876b10f2de80830f0f5a@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-17 12:52, Richmond wrote:
> I am animating a series of images like this:
> 
> on animaSHun
>    set the vis of img "M1" to true
>    set the vis of img "M4" to false
>    wait 4 ticks
>     set the vis of img "M2" to true
>    set the vis of img "M1" to false
>    wait 4 ticks
>     set the vis of img "M3" to true
>    set the vis of img "M2" to false
>    wait 4 ticks
>    set the vis of img "M4" to true
>    set the vis of img "M3" to false
>    wait 4 ticks
>    animaSHun
> end animaSHun


You need to:

     wait 4 ticks with messages

Using "with messages" means that the engine can process clicks, key 
presses, etc. while waiting.  See also 
<http://livecode.com/resources/api/#livecode_script/wait>.

                            Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Jul 17 06:58:00 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:58:00 +0100
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W627984CE5AA342CACE38C5ED980@phx.gbl>

Use a wait with messages in your handler...

wait 0 seconds with messages

Then liveCode will have a look to see what else is going on...

> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:52:06 +0300
> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Totally Loopy
> 
> I am animating a series of images like this:
> 
> on animaSHun
>     set the vis of img "M1" to true
>     set the vis of img "M4" to false
>     wait 4 ticks
>      set the vis of img "M2" to true
>     set the vis of img "M1" to false
>     wait 4 ticks
>      set the vis of img "M3" to true
>     set the vis of img "M2" to false
>     wait 4 ticks
>     set the vis of img "M4" to true
>     set the vis of img "M3" to false
>     wait 4 ticks
>     animaSHun
> end animaSHun
> 
> and there I was feeling proud of myself for having been "so" clever, BUT 
> I was wrong . . .
> 
> Now in the same cardScript I have an "on arrowKey" script to let me move 
> the animation
> around the card with the arrow keys on my keyboard . . .
> 
> But that "animaSHun" routine goes round and round (as, indeed, it 
> should) and the arrowKeys
> are quite unable to "get a word in edgeways"; in fact the only way to 
> stop the thing
> is by crashing LiveCode.
> 
> I would be grateful if anyone could tell me how to get a word in 
> edgeways while keeping the animation going.
> 
> Yup: I know I could just use an animated GIF image . . . but, call me 
> bloody-minded, I have my
> reasons for not using one.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 07:13:16 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:13:16 +0300
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <836ecc16b0a5876b10f2de80830f0f5a@livecode.com>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
	<836ecc16b0a5876b10f2de80830f0f5a@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <55A8E34C.8060303@gmail.com>



On 07/17/2015 01:57 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:
> On 2015-07-17 12:52, Richmond wrote:
>> I am animating a series of images like this:
>>
>> on animaSHun
>>    set the vis of img "M1" to true
>>    set the vis of img "M4" to false
>>    wait 4 ticks
>>     set the vis of img "M2" to true
>>    set the vis of img "M1" to false
>>    wait 4 ticks
>>     set the vis of img "M3" to true
>>    set the vis of img "M2" to false
>>    wait 4 ticks
>>    set the vis of img "M4" to true
>>    set the vis of img "M3" to false
>>    wait 4 ticks
>>    animaSHun
>> end animaSHun
>
>
> You need to:
>
>     wait 4 ticks with messages
>
> Using "with messages" means that the engine can process clicks, key 
> presses, etc. while waiting.  See also 
> <http://livecode.com/resources/api/#livecode_script/wait>.
>
>                            Peter
>

Thanks a lot! Just what the doctor ordered!

Richmond.



From dwilliams at livecode.com  Fri Jul 17 07:46:45 2015
From: dwilliams at livecode.com (David Williams)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 12:46:45 +0100
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.x1w1n7cdpz0qr8@dickbutt-pc.lan>

Hi Richmond,

The way to do this is to wait with messages - so 'wait 4 ticks' becomes  
'wait 4 ticks with messages'. This form of the command allows other  
messages to be passed while it's executing, making it a non-blocking wait.

Regards,

-David

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:52:06 +0100, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> I am animating a series of images like this:
>
> on animaSHun
>     set the vis of img "M1" to true
>     set the vis of img "M4" to false
>     wait 4 ticks
>      set the vis of img "M2" to true
>     set the vis of img "M1" to false
>     wait 4 ticks
>      set the vis of img "M3" to true
>     set the vis of img "M2" to false
>     wait 4 ticks
>     set the vis of img "M4" to true
>     set the vis of img "M3" to false
>     wait 4 ticks
>     animaSHun
> end animaSHun
>
> and there I was feeling proud of myself for having been "so" clever, BUT  
> I was wrong . . .
>
> Now in the same cardScript I have an "on arrowKey" script to let me move  
> the animation
> around the card with the arrow keys on my keyboard . . .
>
> But that "animaSHun" routine goes round and round (as, indeed, it  
> should) and the arrowKeys
> are quite unable to "get a word in edgeways"; in fact the only way to  
> stop the thing
> is by crashing LiveCode.
>
> I would be grateful if anyone could tell me how to get a word in  
> edgeways while keeping the animation going.
>
> Yup: I know I could just use an animated GIF image . . . but, call me  
> bloody-minded, I have my
> reasons for not using one.
>
> Richmond.
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From dwilliams at livecode.com  Fri Jul 17 07:52:30 2015
From: dwilliams at livecode.com (David Williams)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 12:52:30 +0100
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <op.x1w1n7cdpz0qr8@dickbutt-pc.lan>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com> <op.x1w1n7cdpz0qr8@dickbutt-pc.lan>
Message-ID: <op.x1w1xs2ppz0qr8@dickbutt-pc.lan>

Disregard that - as soon as I hit send, my mail client fetched the other  
responses :)

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 12:46:45 +0100, David Williams  
<dwilliams at livecode.com> wrote:

> Hi Richmond,
>
> The way to do this is to wait with messages - so 'wait 4 ticks' becomes  
> 'wait 4 ticks with messages'. This form of the command allows other  
> messages to be passed while it's executing, making it a non-blocking  
> wait.
>
> Regards,
>
> -David
>
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:52:06 +0100, Richmond  
> <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am animating a series of images like this:
>>
>> on animaSHun
>>     set the vis of img "M1" to true
>>     set the vis of img "M4" to false
>>     wait 4 ticks
>>      set the vis of img "M2" to true
>>     set the vis of img "M1" to false
>>     wait 4 ticks
>>      set the vis of img "M3" to true
>>     set the vis of img "M2" to false
>>     wait 4 ticks
>>     set the vis of img "M4" to true
>>     set the vis of img "M3" to false
>>     wait 4 ticks
>>     animaSHun
>> end animaSHun
>>
>> and there I was feeling proud of myself for having been "so" clever,  
>> BUT I was wrong . . .
>>
>> Now in the same cardScript I have an "on arrowKey" script to let me  
>> move the animation
>> around the card with the arrow keys on my keyboard . . .
>>
>> But that "animaSHun" routine goes round and round (as, indeed, it  
>> should) and the arrowKeys
>> are quite unable to "get a word in edgeways"; in fact the only way to  
>> stop the thing
>> is by crashing LiveCode.
>>
>> I would be grateful if anyone could tell me how to get a word in  
>> edgeways while keeping the animation going.
>>
>> Yup: I know I could just use an animated GIF image . . . but, call me  
>> bloody-minded, I have my
>> reasons for not using one.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 17 09:22:41 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 09:22:41 -0400
Subject: OT: No More Servers
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOncrepwwvpww3ow36Lv2F5ZQBQE2kwpQjF4AMCSytfQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOncrepwwvpww3ow36Lv2F5ZQBQE2kwpQjF4AMCSytfQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycN3Ew5Ny6HCQj8xxFhKqzDJHDTMs=ADwfWAPL_m4CohKA@mail.gmail.com>

Most definitely, and doing it, now, with new apps, and think it's of
critical importance.  I'm not as server-detatched as I want to be, so I'm
all ears.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:28 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> Is anyone on this list interested in topics of decentralised architecture?
> I've a long standing interest in them, and there are some very interesting
> new tools that I feel are of deep relevance to Livecode and the Livecode
> community.
>
> A decentralised architecture is one without servers - communication is P2P.
> Federated architectures are also interesting, and a mix of both is even
> better.
>
> There are a number of advantages for the Livecode community:
>
>    - Stacks and assets are served without a central server
>    - No centralised bandwidth and hosting costs
>    - No classical denai-of-service attack issues
>    - New non-web tool chains posible
>    - New authentication and security models
>
> The last two are interesting. Classic web client-server architectures are
> very mature on other platforms. A huge amount of this infrastructure is
> involved in scaling, and managing users. So web servers, caching, proxies,
> user management, sessions, authentication etc
>
> If you take a close look at code bases of major projects, a great deal of
> it is taken up by managing this basic stuff, and surprisingly little on the
> actual application. All these areas are also the very areas that Livecode
> is weakest on. We don't have oAuth libraries, robust servers and so on. So
> we tend to play in this environment as second class citizens.
>
> With P2P architectures this is different. Stacks and files are simply
> served by the architecture in a scalable way. Session and user management
> is often completely different, often using public key infrastructure, and
> sometimes taken care for you by the platform itself.
>
> Another thing makes it of particular interest to Livecode. Many of these
> architectures are no scripted in python / ruby / php etc. They are in C/C++
> or Go. Livecode plays much better with these low level languages. LCB will
> allow us to extend Livecode to be a full integrated citizen in these
> architectures.
>
> If anyone is interested in exploring this area - I'm starting a *research
> group* looking into using Livecode in decentralised environments. I'm going
> to start weekly Hangouts and make recordings - much like the Livecode TV
> sessions I started a few years back - but with a bit different technology.
>
> Hangout this Sunday anyone?
> _______________________________________________
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And God said, "This is good."


From david at viral.academy  Fri Jul 17 09:27:23 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:27:23 +0100
Subject: OT: No More Servers
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycN3Ew5Ny6HCQj8xxFhKqzDJHDTMs=ADwfWAPL_m4CohKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOncrepwwvpww3ow36Lv2F5ZQBQE2kwpQjF4AMCSytfQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN3Ew5Ny6HCQj8xxFhKqzDJHDTMs=ADwfWAPL_m4CohKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioOt-NjPXpwXfQ2+Ax5dpEjpnrTeDdcHO887JgAt6iWDFQ@mail.gmail.com>

What time / day of the week would be good for you Mike?

On 17 July 2015 at 14:22, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> Most definitely, and doing it, now, with new apps, and think it's of
> critical importance.  I'm not as server-detatched as I want to be, so I'm
> all ears.
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:28 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>
> > Is anyone on this list interested in topics of decentralised
> architecture?
> > I've a long standing interest in them, and there are some very
> interesting
> > new tools that I feel are of deep relevance to Livecode and the Livecode
> > community.
> >
> > A decentralised architecture is one without servers - communication is
> P2P.
> > Federated architectures are also interesting, and a mix of both is even
> > better.
> >
> > There are a number of advantages for the Livecode community:
> >
> >    - Stacks and assets are served without a central server
> >    - No centralised bandwidth and hosting costs
> >    - No classical denai-of-service attack issues
> >    - New non-web tool chains posible
> >    - New authentication and security models
> >
> > The last two are interesting. Classic web client-server architectures are
> > very mature on other platforms. A huge amount of this infrastructure is
> > involved in scaling, and managing users. So web servers, caching,
> proxies,
> > user management, sessions, authentication etc
> >
> > If you take a close look at code bases of major projects, a great deal of
> > it is taken up by managing this basic stuff, and surprisingly little on
> the
> > actual application. All these areas are also the very areas that Livecode
> > is weakest on. We don't have oAuth libraries, robust servers and so on.
> So
> > we tend to play in this environment as second class citizens.
> >
> > With P2P architectures this is different. Stacks and files are simply
> > served by the architecture in a scalable way. Session and user management
> > is often completely different, often using public key infrastructure, and
> > sometimes taken care for you by the platform itself.
> >
> > Another thing makes it of particular interest to Livecode. Many of these
> > architectures are no scripted in python / ruby / php etc. They are in
> C/C++
> > or Go. Livecode plays much better with these low level languages. LCB
> will
> > allow us to extend Livecode to be a full integrated citizen in these
> > architectures.
> >
> > If anyone is interested in exploring this area - I'm starting a *research
> > group* looking into using Livecode in decentralised environments. I'm
> going
> > to start weekly Hangouts and make recordings - much like the Livecode TV
> > sessions I started a few years back - but with a bit different
> technology.
> >
> > Hangout this Sunday anyone?
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
>
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From david at viral.academy  Fri Jul 17 09:35:26 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:35:26 +0100
Subject: Coding in Livecode in the browser (with Emscripten)
Message-ID: <CAGASioNwa5A5VDT_iL8TZMMVNLTJiBf0c3zRkd6D7NH3eAMgmA@mail.gmail.com>

So what would it take for Livecode to join this set of languages, all
running in the browser, in an open source emulator:

   - Python
   - Ruby
   - PHP
   - Sceme
   - Lua
   - Java
   - Lolcode
   - FORTH
   - Many others <http://repl.it/languages>


The languages are compiled down to Javascript using Emscripten and run
locally on you machine. So we should be able to do this with Livecode - or
Livecode server? Great for teaching.

On 16 July 2015 at 13:20, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> Thanks Kevin and Peter - its very useful to have a soft indication of the
> direction you are heading.
>
> So my understanding now is that Livecode Builder - being the robust
> strongly typed language that compilers like - lends to being something that
> could be run through the compiler chain you are creating to export
> Javascript. For instance a Livecode Builder library - would be the sort of
> thing that could be compiled into a Javascript library that would then be
> called by standard HTML5/Javascript on a web page. This would be the same
> as emsripten ports of other languages like perl -
> https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki/Porting-Examples-and-Demos
>
> However as your priority is to create a full export of stacks to the web -
> creating a Livecode Builder library export tool chain is something that
> we'd need to do as a community project or wait :)
>
> The one thing I would like to understand is how you would expose
> interfaces to the resulting exported JS code - are there any links to how
> you would do this / any thoughts regarding how Livecode.js exports would do
> this? Here I can see how you can expose C functions:
>
>    -
>    http://kripken.github.io/emscripten-site/docs/api_reference/preamble.js.html#calling-compiled-c-functions-from-javascript
>
> So my question would be how is this extended so that a handler in Livecode
> Builder is exposed?
>
>
> On 16 July 2015 at 12:02, Kevin Miller <kevin at livecode.com> wrote:
>
>> This is definitely an area we?re looking at - its on the strategy list.
>> Just can?t say yet whether it will be during the initial beta cycle or in
>> a v ?1.1? as it were. It will certainly be early in the evolution of this
>> technology.
>>
>> In terms of LCB, remember we designed that from the start to capable
>> (eventually) of compiling directly to JavaScript. That opens up the
>> possibility of doing some lighter weight HTML5 specific frameworks down
>> the line. Right now though as Peter said, the priority for the first
>> version is to get as much as possible of the platform we already have
>> working.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/07/2015 11:53, "Peter TB Brett" <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2015-07-16 11:05, David Bovill wrote:
>> >> Thanks Peter. What i am keen to get a grip on is how we can interface
>> >> Livecode exported Javascritp with existing Javascript in a web page.
>> >> Are we
>> >> going to be stuck with an isolated blob of all Livecode-Javascript in a
>> >> page? Or can I make Livecode-Javascript widget that talk to existing
>> >> pages?
>> >>
>> >> My thought would be if the core Livecode C++ engine has now been
>> >> refactored
>> >> so that the language element - separate from all the GUI and even
>> >> message
>> >> stuff - and that this bit was easy and fast to get exported - then that
>> >> would be what we need to create interface independent Javascript
>> >> libraries
>> >> - let's say a library that takes some JSON and exports some JSON with
>> >> the
>> >> webpage handling all the rest of the interactions?
>> >>
>> >> How well will these exported Livecode-Javascript apps play within a web
>> >> page - what sort of bi-directional communication is being looked at?
>> >
>> >Hi David,
>> >
>> >We're not actively working towards any of these things at the moment.
>> >*In principle*, they're all ideas that we'd love to get working!  In
>> >practice, at the moment we're just trying to get stacks to run properly,
>> >and we're going to think about branching out to these other exciting
>> >possibilities once we get towards that point.
>> >
>> >I'm personally quite keen on the idea of figuring out how to compile
>> >LiveCode Builder programs directly to JavaScript, for example!
>> >
>> >This is definitely the sort of thing that enthusiastic community members
>> >could play with, once we release the Community edition of HTML5 support.
>> >
>> >                                        Peter
>> >
>> >--
>> >Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
>> >LiveCode Engine Development Team
>> >
>> >
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 09:47:29 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:47:29 -0600
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <op.x1w1xs2ppz0qr8@dickbutt-pc.lan>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com> <op.x1w1n7cdpz0qr8@dickbutt-pc.lan>
	<op.x1w1xs2ppz0qr8@dickbutt-pc.lan>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoapTsuKjB+Eywy1kJhh8TUWDVB2oc8oF6uyhuTZ_WMzw@mail.gmail.com>

You could also use a send loop and keep track of which image is currently
visible, switch to the next frame, loop again.  And then use "the keysdown"
within the loop itself to check for the arrow keys. (As I did in the other
animation you asked about)

Off the top of my head, something like..

on animaSHun
-- sCounter would have been initialized to 1
switch sCounter
case 1
   set the vis of img "M1" to true
   set the vis of img "M4" to false
   put 2 into sCounter
   break

case 2
    set the vis of img "M2" to true
   set the vis of img "M1" to false
   put 3 into sCounter
   break
case 3
    set the vis of img "M3" to true
   set the vis of img "M2" to false
   put 4 into sCounter
   break
case 4
   set the vis of img "M4" to true
   set the vis of img "M3" to false
   put 1 into sCounter
   break
end switch
if the keysdown is not empty then
   if "65361" is among the items of the keysdown then
      -- the code for the left arrow key
   end if
   if "65363" is among the items of the keysdown then
        -- the code for the right arrow key
   end if
end if
send "animaSHun" to me in 4 ticks
end animaSHun


You could of course then break things into smaller chunks to make
management of code easier. (you can still do this, loop method doesn't
really matter, rather than send you could put a single wait with messages
in there for the same effect, then directly call the handler again)

on animaSHun
   animateIt -- the hander to do the animaSHun
   processKeys -- the handler to ... handle the keysdown
   send "animaSHun" to me in 4 ticks
end animaSHun


On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:52 AM, David Williams <dwilliams at livecode.com>
wrote:

> Disregard that - as soon as I hit send, my mail client fetched the other
> responses :)
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 12:46:45 +0100, David Williams <dwilliams at livecode.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi Richmond,
>>
>> The way to do this is to wait with messages - so 'wait 4 ticks' becomes
>> 'wait 4 ticks with messages'. This form of the command allows other
>> messages to be passed while it's executing, making it a non-blocking wait.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -David
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:52:06 +0100, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  I am animating a series of images like this:
>>>
>>> on animaSHun
>>>     set the vis of img "M1" to true
>>>     set the vis of img "M4" to false
>>>     wait 4 ticks
>>>      set the vis of img "M2" to true
>>>     set the vis of img "M1" to false
>>>     wait 4 ticks
>>>      set the vis of img "M3" to true
>>>     set the vis of img "M2" to false
>>>     wait 4 ticks
>>>     set the vis of img "M4" to true
>>>     set the vis of img "M3" to false
>>>     wait 4 ticks
>>>     animaSHun
>>> end animaSHun
>>>
>>> and there I was feeling proud of myself for having been "so" clever, BUT
>>> I was wrong . . .
>>>
>>> Now in the same cardScript I have an "on arrowKey" script to let me move
>>> the animation
>>> around the card with the arrow keys on my keyboard . . .
>>>
>>> But that "animaSHun" routine goes round and round (as, indeed, it
>>> should) and the arrowKeys
>>> are quite unable to "get a word in edgeways"; in fact the only way to
>>> stop the thing
>>> is by crashing LiveCode.
>>>
>>> I would be grateful if anyone could tell me how to get a word in
>>> edgeways while keeping the animation going.
>>>
>>> Yup: I know I could just use an animated GIF image . . . but, call me
>>> bloody-minded, I have my
>>> reasons for not using one.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
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From fraser.gordon at livecode.com  Fri Jul 17 10:15:29 2015
From: fraser.gordon at livecode.com (Fraser Gordon)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 15:15:29 +0100
Subject: Coding in Livecode in the browser (with Emscripten)
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioNwa5A5VDT_iL8TZMMVNLTJiBf0c3zRkd6D7NH3eAMgmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNwa5A5VDT_iL8TZMMVNLTJiBf0c3zRkd6D7NH3eAMgmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B6ABAE0-A7C3-4BB4-A3B9-C3A1DB6EC3B2@livecode.com>

That?s exactly what we?re doing ? the LiveCode engine is compiled into JavaScript using Emscripten.

Like those other languages, we?re not converting LiveCode Script to JavaScript directly; it is the engine that runs those languages that has been compiled to JavaScript.

Fraser


On 17 Jul 2015, at 14:35, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> So what would it take for Livecode to join this set of languages, all
> running in the browser, in an open source emulator:
> 
>   - Python
>   - Ruby
>   - PHP
>   - Sceme
>   - Lua
>   - Java
>   - Lolcode
>   - FORTH
>   - Many others <http://repl.it/languages>
> 
> 
> The languages are compiled down to Javascript using Emscripten and run
> locally on you machine. So we should be able to do this with Livecode - or
> Livecode server? Great for teaching.
> 
> On 16 July 2015 at 13:20, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Kevin and Peter - its very useful to have a soft indication of the
>> direction you are heading.
>> 
>> So my understanding now is that Livecode Builder - being the robust
>> strongly typed language that compilers like - lends to being something that
>> could be run through the compiler chain you are creating to export
>> Javascript. For instance a Livecode Builder library - would be the sort of
>> thing that could be compiled into a Javascript library that would then be
>> called by standard HTML5/Javascript on a web page. This would be the same
>> as emsripten ports of other languages like perl -
>> https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki/Porting-Examples-and-Demos
>> 
>> However as your priority is to create a full export of stacks to the web -
>> creating a Livecode Builder library export tool chain is something that
>> we'd need to do as a community project or wait :)
>> 
>> The one thing I would like to understand is how you would expose
>> interfaces to the resulting exported JS code - are there any links to how
>> you would do this / any thoughts regarding how Livecode.js exports would do
>> this? Here I can see how you can expose C functions:
>> 
>>   -
>>   http://kripken.github.io/emscripten-site/docs/api_reference/preamble.js.html#calling-compiled-c-functions-from-javascript
>> 
>> So my question would be how is this extended so that a handler in Livecode
>> Builder is exposed?
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 July 2015 at 12:02, Kevin Miller <kevin at livecode.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> This is definitely an area we?re looking at - its on the strategy list.
>>> Just can?t say yet whether it will be during the initial beta cycle or in
>>> a v ?1.1? as it were. It will certainly be early in the evolution of this
>>> technology.
>>> 
>>> In terms of LCB, remember we designed that from the start to capable
>>> (eventually) of compiling directly to JavaScript. That opens up the
>>> possibility of doing some lighter weight HTML5 specific frameworks down
>>> the line. Right now though as Peter said, the priority for the first
>>> version is to get as much as possible of the platform we already have
>>> working.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>>> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 16/07/2015 11:53, "Peter TB Brett" <peter.brett at livecode.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2015-07-16 11:05, David Bovill wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Peter. What i am keen to get a grip on is how we can interface
>>>>> Livecode exported Javascritp with existing Javascript in a web page.
>>>>> Are we
>>>>> going to be stuck with an isolated blob of all Livecode-Javascript in a
>>>>> page? Or can I make Livecode-Javascript widget that talk to existing
>>>>> pages?
>>>>> 
>>>>> My thought would be if the core Livecode C++ engine has now been
>>>>> refactored
>>>>> so that the language element - separate from all the GUI and even
>>>>> message
>>>>> stuff - and that this bit was easy and fast to get exported - then that
>>>>> would be what we need to create interface independent Javascript
>>>>> libraries
>>>>> - let's say a library that takes some JSON and exports some JSON with
>>>>> the
>>>>> webpage handling all the rest of the interactions?
>>>>> 
>>>>> How well will these exported Livecode-Javascript apps play within a web
>>>>> page - what sort of bi-directional communication is being looked at?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi David,
>>>> 
>>>> We're not actively working towards any of these things at the moment.
>>>> *In principle*, they're all ideas that we'd love to get working!  In
>>>> practice, at the moment we're just trying to get stacks to run properly,
>>>> and we're going to think about branching out to these other exciting
>>>> possibilities once we get towards that point.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm personally quite keen on the idea of figuring out how to compile
>>>> LiveCode Builder programs directly to JavaScript, for example!
>>>> 
>>>> This is definitely the sort of thing that enthusiastic community members
>>>> could play with, once we release the Community edition of HTML5 support.
>>>> 
>>>>                                       Peter
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
>>>> LiveCode Engine Development Team
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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From david at viral.academy  Fri Jul 17 10:57:15 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 15:57:15 +0100
Subject: Coding in Livecode in the browser (with Emscripten)
In-Reply-To: <0B6ABAE0-A7C3-4BB4-A3B9-C3A1DB6EC3B2@livecode.com>
References: <CAGASioNwa5A5VDT_iL8TZMMVNLTJiBf0c3zRkd6D7NH3eAMgmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B6ABAE0-A7C3-4BB4-A3B9-C3A1DB6EC3B2@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioNGQ6jZL63yshyxSntHBeY3+Pfm2Kmg1g3XqA5bwe92vw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes - that's the point.

These other languages are available to run in a browser window via an
emulated terminal. It would be great to add Livecode to this list of
languages, whil ewe wait for the intricacies of event handling and GUI
rendering - we could have Livecode in a terminal (used in a teaching
scenario) - and as something which would create Javascript Libraries that
can be embedded in web pages.


On 17 July 2015 at 15:15, Fraser Gordon <fraser.gordon at livecode.com> wrote:

> That?s exactly what we?re doing ? the LiveCode engine is compiled into
> JavaScript using Emscripten.
>
> Like those other languages, we?re not converting LiveCode Script to
> JavaScript directly; it is the engine that runs those languages that has
> been compiled to JavaScript.
>
> Fraser
>
>
> On 17 Jul 2015, at 14:35, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>
> > So what would it take for Livecode to join this set of languages, all
> > running in the browser, in an open source emulator:
> >
> >   - Python
> >   - Ruby
> >   - PHP
> >   - Sceme
> >   - Lua
> >   - Java
> >   - Lolcode
> >   - FORTH
> >   - Many others <http://repl.it/languages>
> >
> >
> > The languages are compiled down to Javascript using Emscripten and run
> > locally on you machine. So we should be able to do this with Livecode -
> or
> > Livecode server? Great for teaching.
> >
> > On 16 July 2015 at 13:20, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Kevin and Peter - its very useful to have a soft indication of
> the
> >> direction you are heading.
> >>
> >> So my understanding now is that Livecode Builder - being the robust
> >> strongly typed language that compilers like - lends to being something
> that
> >> could be run through the compiler chain you are creating to export
> >> Javascript. For instance a Livecode Builder library - would be the sort
> of
> >> thing that could be compiled into a Javascript library that would then
> be
> >> called by standard HTML5/Javascript on a web page. This would be the
> same
> >> as emsripten ports of other languages like perl -
> >> https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki/Porting-Examples-and-Demos
> >>
> >> However as your priority is to create a full export of stacks to the
> web -
> >> creating a Livecode Builder library export tool chain is something that
> >> we'd need to do as a community project or wait :)
> >>
> >> The one thing I would like to understand is how you would expose
> >> interfaces to the resulting exported JS code - are there any links to
> how
> >> you would do this / any thoughts regarding how Livecode.js exports
> would do
> >> this? Here I can see how you can expose C functions:
> >>
> >>   -
> >>
> http://kripken.github.io/emscripten-site/docs/api_reference/preamble.js.html#calling-compiled-c-functions-from-javascript
> >>
> >> So my question would be how is this extended so that a handler in
> Livecode
> >> Builder is exposed?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 16 July 2015 at 12:02, Kevin Miller <kevin at livecode.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is definitely an area we?re looking at - its on the strategy list.
> >>> Just can?t say yet whether it will be during the initial beta cycle or
> in
> >>> a v ?1.1? as it were. It will certainly be early in the evolution of
> this
> >>> technology.
> >>>
> >>> In terms of LCB, remember we designed that from the start to capable
> >>> (eventually) of compiling directly to JavaScript. That opens up the
> >>> possibility of doing some lighter weight HTML5 specific frameworks down
> >>> the line. Right now though as Peter said, the priority for the first
> >>> version is to get as much as possible of the platform we already have
> >>> working.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards,
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> >>> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 16/07/2015 11:53, "Peter TB Brett" <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2015-07-16 11:05, David Bovill wrote:
> >>>>> Thanks Peter. What i am keen to get a grip on is how we can interface
> >>>>> Livecode exported Javascritp with existing Javascript in a web page.
> >>>>> Are we
> >>>>> going to be stuck with an isolated blob of all Livecode-Javascript
> in a
> >>>>> page? Or can I make Livecode-Javascript widget that talk to existing
> >>>>> pages?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My thought would be if the core Livecode C++ engine has now been
> >>>>> refactored
> >>>>> so that the language element - separate from all the GUI and even
> >>>>> message
> >>>>> stuff - and that this bit was easy and fast to get exported - then
> that
> >>>>> would be what we need to create interface independent Javascript
> >>>>> libraries
> >>>>> - let's say a library that takes some JSON and exports some JSON with
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> webpage handling all the rest of the interactions?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How well will these exported Livecode-Javascript apps play within a
> web
> >>>>> page - what sort of bi-directional communication is being looked at?
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi David,
> >>>>
> >>>> We're not actively working towards any of these things at the moment.
> >>>> *In principle*, they're all ideas that we'd love to get working!  In
> >>>> practice, at the moment we're just trying to get stacks to run
> properly,
> >>>> and we're going to think about branching out to these other exciting
> >>>> possibilities once we get towards that point.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm personally quite keen on the idea of figuring out how to compile
> >>>> LiveCode Builder programs directly to JavaScript, for example!
> >>>>
> >>>> This is definitely the sort of thing that enthusiastic community
> members
> >>>> could play with, once we release the Community edition of HTML5
> support.
> >>>>
> >>>>                                       Peter
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
> >>>> LiveCode Engine Development Team
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 17 11:06:47 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:06:47 -0400
Subject: OT: No More Servers
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOt-NjPXpwXfQ2+Ax5dpEjpnrTeDdcHO887JgAt6iWDFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOncrepwwvpww3ow36Lv2F5ZQBQE2kwpQjF4AMCSytfQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycN3Ew5Ny6HCQj8xxFhKqzDJHDTMs=ADwfWAPL_m4CohKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioOt-NjPXpwXfQ2+Ax5dpEjpnrTeDdcHO887JgAt6iWDFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycN8VanaXC3d00SBimpZ6EsMMrCuY_YxQLVacuq-tdJM-A@mail.gmail.com>

First, let's see who else is interested, and then second, after we see,
let's take this off-list until we have something interesting to share with
everyone else.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:27 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> What time / day of the week would be good for you Mike?
>
> On 17 July 2015 at 14:22, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> > Most definitely, and doing it, now, with new apps, and think it's of
> > critical importance.  I'm not as server-detatched as I want to be, so I'm
> > all ears.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:28 AM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Is anyone on this list interested in topics of decentralised
> > architecture?
> > > I've a long standing interest in them, and there are some very
> > interesting
> > > new tools that I feel are of deep relevance to Livecode and the
> Livecode
> > > community.
> > >
> > > A decentralised architecture is one without servers - communication is
> > P2P.
> > > Federated architectures are also interesting, and a mix of both is even
> > > better.
> > >
> > > There are a number of advantages for the Livecode community:
> > >
> > >    - Stacks and assets are served without a central server
> > >    - No centralised bandwidth and hosting costs
> > >    - No classical denai-of-service attack issues
> > >    - New non-web tool chains posible
> > >    - New authentication and security models
> > >
> > > The last two are interesting. Classic web client-server architectures
> are
> > > very mature on other platforms. A huge amount of this infrastructure is
> > > involved in scaling, and managing users. So web servers, caching,
> > proxies,
> > > user management, sessions, authentication etc
> > >
> > > If you take a close look at code bases of major projects, a great deal
> of
> > > it is taken up by managing this basic stuff, and surprisingly little on
> > the
> > > actual application. All these areas are also the very areas that
> Livecode
> > > is weakest on. We don't have oAuth libraries, robust servers and so on.
> > So
> > > we tend to play in this environment as second class citizens.
> > >
> > > With P2P architectures this is different. Stacks and files are simply
> > > served by the architecture in a scalable way. Session and user
> management
> > > is often completely different, often using public key infrastructure,
> and
> > > sometimes taken care for you by the platform itself.
> > >
> > > Another thing makes it of particular interest to Livecode. Many of
> these
> > > architectures are no scripted in python / ruby / php etc. They are in
> > C/C++
> > > or Go. Livecode plays much better with these low level languages. LCB
> > will
> > > allow us to extend Livecode to be a full integrated citizen in these
> > > architectures.
> > >
> > > If anyone is interested in exploring this area - I'm starting a
> *research
> > > group* looking into using Livecode in decentralised environments. I'm
> > going
> > > to start weekly Hangouts and make recordings - much like the Livecode
> TV
> > > sessions I started a few years back - but with a bit different
> > technology.
> > >
> > > Hangout this Sunday anyone?
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> >
> >
> >
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> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Fri Jul 17 11:23:33 2015
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Improving "Bug Reports" feature of standalones
Message-ID: <1437146613353-4694032.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi all.

I use the built-in "Bug Reports" feature of the standalone builder, which
provides basic info. via email when a user hits an error. Problem is these
reports omit basic, key details, such as the platform and my codebase
version number. And users never include those in their comments.

A typical bug report sends this info:
Executing at [timestamp]
Type: [ex.: Chunk: can't find stack]
Object: [ex.: a stack name]
Line Num: 366
Hint: [ex.: a handler name]
Comments: 

Is there a way to tweak the contents of the error report to add a product
version number and platform stored in a global? 

Thanks,
Tom





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From prothero at earthednet.org  Fri Jul 17 11:30:48 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 08:30:48 -0700
Subject: Improving "Bug Reports" feature of standalones
In-Reply-To: <1437146613353-4694032.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1437146613353-4694032.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <E89FBE8A-ED5F-4B5B-AB59-48FDF46AA7D3@earthednet.org>

Tom:
I second that. Without this info, the bug report is pretty useless to me. I assume all bugs are caused by my code, and may be platform dependent, so this info is critical.
Bill

> On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:23 AM, tbodine <bodine at bodinetraininggames.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> I use the built-in "Bug Reports" feature of the standalone builder, which
> provides basic info. via email when a user hits an error. Problem is these
> reports omit basic, key details, such as the platform and my codebase
> version number. And users never include those in their comments.
> 
> A typical bug report sends this info:
> Executing at [timestamp]
> Type: [ex.: Chunk: can't find stack]
> Object: [ex.: a stack name]
> Line Num: 366
> Hint: [ex.: a handler name]
> Comments: 
> 
> Is there a way to tweak the contents of the error report to add a product
> version number and platform stored in a global? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Jul 17 13:50:46 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:50:46 -1000
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F4629962-F2F9-4CAE-9F43-120ECCA0CEAF@tactilemedia.com>

In addition to the wait(/send?) options proposed, you might consider displaying your animation more efficiently. Showing an image and hiding another requires two steps and is inefficient.  You can use a transparent button to display your "frames" by setting the icon property of the button to the ID of each of your images in succession, without having to hide any image. Plus it's much easier to move the animation around the card since you only need to move the button and don't need to concern yourself with the locations of the images.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media UX/UI Design

> On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:52 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am animating a series of images like this:
> 
> on animaSHun
>   set the vis of img "M1" to true
>   set the vis of img "M4" to false
>   wait 4 ticks
>    set the vis of img "M2" to true
>   set the vis of img "M1" to false
>   wait 4 ticks
>    set the vis of img "M3" to true
>   set the vis of img "M2" to false
>   wait 4 ticks
>   set the vis of img "M4" to true
>   set the vis of img "M3" to false
>   wait 4 ticks
>   animaSHun
> end animaSHun
> 
> and there I was feeling proud of myself for having been "so" clever, BUT I was wrong . . .
> 
> Now in the same cardScript I have an "on arrowKey" script to let me move the animation
> around the card with the arrow keys on my keyboard . . .
> 
> But that "animaSHun" routine goes round and round (as, indeed, it should) and the arrowKeys
> are quite unable to "get a word in edgeways"; in fact the only way to stop the thing
> is by crashing LiveCode.
> 
> I would be grateful if anyone could tell me how to get a word in edgeways while keeping the animation going.
> 
> Yup: I know I could just use an animated GIF image . . . but, call me bloody-minded, I have my
> reasons for not using one.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From jiml at netrin.com  Fri Jul 17 14:16:25 2015
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:16:25 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.7 RC 1 / 7.1.0 DP 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1437127201.6641.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1437127201.6641.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F6560832-381A-4061-8CA3-565BAF806BE1@netrin.com>

I am unable to launch either 6.7.7 (rc 1) or 7.1.0 (dp 1) on OS X 10.10.4.
Get a hard crash just before the Start Center window should appear.
Previous version launch fin.

Anyone else seeing this?

Thanks,
Jim Lambert



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Jul 17 14:17:55 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 14:17:55 -0400
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <F4629962-F2F9-4CAE-9F43-120ECCA0CEAF@tactilemedia.com>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
	<F4629962-F2F9-4CAE-9F43-120ECCA0CEAF@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXPoe+kB0mqhd=29crZNMoC10=29t73cM5yt9r2V5v_Y9g@mail.gmail.com>

I have also found that toggling the blendLevel from 100 to 0 is very quick
and efficient, compared to hide/show.

~Roger


On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> In addition to the wait(/send?) options proposed, you might consider
> displaying your animation more efficiently. Showing an image and hiding
> another requires two steps and is inefficient.  You can use a transparent
> button to display your "frames" by setting the icon property of the button
> to the ID of each of your images in succession, without having to hide any
> image. Plus it's much easier to move the animation around the card since
> you only need to move the button and don't need to concern yourself with
> the locations of the images.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media UX/UI Design
>
>


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Fri Jul 17 15:14:18 2015
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 21:14:18 +0200
Subject: [OT] Leaving Bulgaria?
Message-ID: <ABD71010-816D-4DAE-9CE7-A8360A29C8EA@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

Richmond, After 10 years, you either return home, or you never
return home. After 45 years, I must admit that I am solidly 
entrenched in France - children and grandchildren make it hard
to go back - and why indeed would you go back, ??. unless ...,
I remember what it was like many years ago, when I asked myself
the question ?Do I stay or do I go?. ?.. And I stayed ?...
You have decided to return to ?chez toi?, which I know without a
doubt, to be the most beautiful country I have ever been to ?.
(OK  ! - Brazil - comes a close second !)

So go back to  where your roots are, and remember the places you
lived in for many years, with so many good memories, drink a whisky,
and be glad finally that you found your way home.

As the French would say, ?Bon Vent? in your future enterprise.

Best wishes

-Francis


From jbv at souslelogo.com  Fri Jul 17 15:23:11 2015
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 22:23:11 +0300
Subject: [OT] Leaving Bulgaria?
In-Reply-To: <ABD71010-816D-4DAE-9CE7-A8360A29C8EA@wanadoo.fr>
References: <ABD71010-816D-4DAE-9CE7-A8360A29C8EA@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <86839d4f22cfb5ea15d01c276bbd419e.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>

Actually the French would rather say "bonne route"...
"bon vent" has a kind of unfriendly side... That's something you say
when you're happy to get rid of someone...

jbv

>
> As the French would say, ?Bon Vent? in your future enterprise.
>





From jiml at netrin.com  Fri Jul 17 16:39:05 2015
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:39:05 -0700
Subject: Release 6.7.7 RC 1 / 7.1.0 DP 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1437127201.6641.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1437127201.6641.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EB28F168-FEA3-46F6-87C0-66E4FF20D169@netrin.com>

I wrote:
> I am unable to launch either 6.7.7 (rc 1) or 7.1.0 (dp 1) on OS X 10.10.4.
> Get a hard crash just before the Start Center window should appear.

FYI, once I removed NativeSoft?s Data Tree 2.0 from the plugins folder both versions of LC launch properly.

Jim Lambert

From prothero at earthednet.org  Fri Jul 17 16:48:50 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:48:50 -0700
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <5405380A-C8D5-484C-A9DA-47802BD9B803@earthednet.org>

PS: 
The app I am developing is targeted at high school and college introductory Earth Science classes and is focussed on getting a range of data that supports the theory of Plate Tectonics into student hands. These data support realistic scientific investigations and science writing. Some of these tools will be incorporated into future versions. The app is unique in that it allows easy access to a wide range of Earth data that otherwise students have to get from various other web sites, which takes away time they might spend on thinking about the meaning of the data. I have used a version of this software written in Adobe Director, in large introductory Earth Science courses at the University of California, Santa Barbara, to anchor science writing and peer review activities. My web site contains links to publications describing my activities.

This app will be free to all and I would love to have a few teachers who are willing to work with me on it. 

If you are willing to look at the app and potentially use it in your classroom, I will inform you of new versions and future plans. Also, I will welcome (whether you are a teacher or now) suggestions and ideas for improvement.

Best regards,
Bill Prothero

William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://es.earthednet.org/
my new project link <http://earthednet.org/ptExplorer/Cover.html>


> On Jul 16, 2015, at 2:07 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> I have an application that is being used by a class of Earth Science students and get failure reports from two who use Windows 8. One lives in Australia and one lives in Japan. The app works fine on Macintosh. I?ve also tested it on my own installation of both Windows 8.1 and 7, 32 bit and 64 bit versions. I can?t get the reported pixellation of the map and screen. 
> 
> I?m wondering if it is something related to foreign installations. The symptom is extreme pixellation of images captured with the "export snapshot? command. I live in the US.
> 
> So, I wonder if somebody with Windows 8 would be willing to download the app and try it, and perhaps give me an idea of what might be going on. If it?s a bug in ?snapshot?, it would be important to be reported and fixed. Otherwise, I?m pretty stuck on figuring out what is going on. 
> 
> Here are links:
> Windows zip file of the app:  <https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsn087vrhstxvg4/PT_Explorer-Windows.zip?dl=0>
> Pixellated Image sent by a student <https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer%20in%20Windows%208.1.pdf?dl=0>
> 
> Thanks for any help or feedback you can give me. 
> 
> Regards,
> Bill
> 
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org/
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 17 18:19:06 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 15:19:06 -0700
Subject: Filing Bugs is so hard - bugzilla is buggy
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioMiKG0RUhBEbL4qOo_nee=i=LXxWTkAbNMurFXdTDXvgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioMiKG0RUhBEbL4qOo_nee=i=LXxWTkAbNMurFXdTDXvgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A97F5A.3020107@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

 > I'd love to file a bug. I'm getting a crash when I set a behavior.
 > I've tried logging in - no joy. So resetting password (3 times) -
 > no email sent as far as I can tell.

Do you have livecode.com whitelisted in your spam system?


 > Can we not now finally move over to Github for filing issues
 >- and move into the 21st century?

Bugzilla is a current project, used by thousands of sites.

There are many good alternatives, but most of them have the same email 
confirmation requirements Bugzilla does.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 17 20:51:49 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 17:51:49 -0700
Subject: OT: No More Servers
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOncrepwwvpww3ow36Lv2F5ZQBQE2kwpQjF4AMCSytfQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOncrepwwvpww3ow36Lv2F5ZQBQE2kwpQjF4AMCSytfQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A9A325.8040809@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

 > Is anyone on this list interested in topics of decentralised
 > architecture? I've a long standing interest in them, and there
 > are some very interesting new tools that I feel are of deep
 > relevance to Livecode and the Livecode community.
 >
 > A decentralised architecture is one without servers - communication
 > is P2P. Federated architectures are also interesting, and a mix of
 > both is even better.

There was a good conversation about P2P in the forums a while back:
<http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18594>

One of the challenges identified in that discussion was the need for UDP 
hole punching - here's the request cited in the fourth comment:
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5097<

Seems like it would be a relatively small change to make in the engine, no?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 17 22:26:47 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 02:26:47 +0000
Subject: The width and height of a stack
Message-ID: <FABD9A8E-0467-4026-B69F-12C2D892DFF1@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all.

I have these two handlers in each of 3 cards of a stack:

on openCard
   lock screen



   -- set the size of the stack
   set the width of this stack to the lastWidth of me
   set the height of this stack to the lastHeight of me
   set the loc of this stack to the lastLoc of me
end openCard

on closeCard
   set the lastHeight of me to the height of this stack
   set the lastWidth of me to the width of this stack
   set the lastLoc of me to the loc of this stack
end closeCard

I check the properties and each have been updated fine for each card this is called from. However, the openCard handler, while it compiles fine, exits as soon as I try to set the width of the stack in the openStack handler.

If I swap the width and height statements in the openCard handler, the height gets set but the width does not, but *ONLY* on this one card!!!!! Apparently I seem to be in some condition where the width of a stack is read only but only with this one card! Whaaaaaa?????

OS X 10.10.3    LC 6.7.2

Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 17 22:32:27 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 02:32:27 +0000
Subject: The width and height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <FABD9A8E-0467-4026-B69F-12C2D892DFF1@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FABD9A8E-0467-4026-B69F-12C2D892DFF1@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C2452806-92E6-4874-8E71-42D5E3796AE4@iotecdigital.com>

What is even weirder, is that if I set a breakpoint after the height or width statement in the openCard handler, whichever is first, the command completes and executes the first sizing statement but then the script crashes! If I put a breakpoint after the first sizing statement, it never reaches the breakpoint. 

I am going to try opening a copy of the stack in the latest 6.7 version and see what happens. 

Bob S

 
> On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:26 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. 
> 
> I have these two handlers in each of 3 cards of a stack:
> 
> on openCard
>    lock screen
>    
>    -- set the size of the stack
>    set the width of this stack to the lastWidth of me
>    set the height of this stack to the lastHeight of me
>    set the loc of this stack to the lastLoc of me
> end openCard
> 
> on closeCard
>    set the lastHeight of me to the height of this stack
>    set the lastWidth of me to the width of this stack
>    set the lastLoc of me to the loc of this stack
> end closeCard
> 
> I check the properties and each have been updated fine for each card this is called from. However, the openCard handler, while it compiles fine, exits as soon as I try to set the width of the stack in the openStack handler. 
> 
> If I swap the width and height statements in the openCard handler, the height gets set but the width does not, but *ONLY* on this one card!!!!! Apparently I seem to be in some condition where the width of a stack is read only but only with this one card! Whaaaaaa?????
> 
> OS X 10.10.3    LC 6.7.2
> 
> Bob S




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Jul 17 22:48:25 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 02:48:25 +0000
Subject: The width and height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <C2452806-92E6-4874-8E71-42D5E3796AE4@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FABD9A8E-0467-4026-B69F-12C2D892DFF1@iotecdigital.com>
	<C2452806-92E6-4874-8E71-42D5E3796AE4@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <169B274E-D88C-403A-9C42-40B9BC471DDC@iotecdigital.com>

Same thing with 6.7.6. I guess I can try a version of 7? I don?t think anything is going to change. 

Bob S


> On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:32 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> What is even weirder, is that if I set a breakpoint after the height or width statement in the openCard handler, whichever is first, the command completes and executes the first sizing statement but then the script crashes! If I put a breakpoint after the first sizing statement, it never reaches the breakpoint. 
> 
> I am going to try opening a copy of the stack in the latest 6.7 version and see what happens. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:26 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. 
>> 
>> I have these two handlers in each of 3 cards of a stack:
>> 
>> on openCard
>>   lock screen
>> 
>>   -- set the size of the stack
>>   set the width of this stack to the lastWidth of me
>>   set the height of this stack to the lastHeight of me
>>   set the loc of this stack to the lastLoc of me
>> end openCard
>> 
>> on closeCard
>>   set the lastHeight of me to the height of this stack
>>   set the lastWidth of me to the width of this stack
>>   set the lastLoc of me to the loc of this stack
>> end closeCard
>> 
>> I check the properties and each have been updated fine for each card this is called from. However, the openCard handler, while it compiles fine, exits as soon as I try to set the width of the stack in the openStack handler. 
>> 
>> If I swap the width and height statements in the openCard handler, the height gets set but the width does not, but *ONLY* on this one card!!!!! Apparently I seem to be in some condition where the width of a stack is read only but only with this one card! Whaaaaaa?????
>> 
>> OS X 10.10.3    LC 6.7.2
>> 
>> Bob S
> 


From paul at livecode.org  Sat Jul 18 00:26:16 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 21:26:16 -0700
Subject: The width and height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <169B274E-D88C-403A-9C42-40B9BC471DDC@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FABD9A8E-0467-4026-B69F-12C2D892DFF1@iotecdigital.com>
	<C2452806-92E6-4874-8E71-42D5E3796AE4@iotecdigital.com>
	<169B274E-D88C-403A-9C42-40B9BC471DDC@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5D7967FE-E462-4A67-9416-217ACE55E0B5@livecode.org>

Seems to be working fine here (including breakpoints) with LC 7.1.0 (dp1), LC 6.7.6, LC7.6.4 and LC 5.5.5 on OS X 10.10.4

Simple test stack is on DBx if it?s any use?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3tu8fuja2oekfpp/Bob%20Script%20Test%205.livecode?dl=0

Paul

> On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:48, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Same thing with 6.7.6. I guess I can try a version of 7? I don?t think anything is going to change. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:32 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What is even weirder, is that if I set a breakpoint after the height or width statement in the openCard handler, whichever is first, the command completes and executes the first sizing statement but then the script crashes! If I put a breakpoint after the first sizing statement, it never reaches the breakpoint. 
>> 
>> I am going to try opening a copy of the stack in the latest 6.7 version and see what happens. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:26 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. 
>>> 
>>> I have these two handlers in each of 3 cards of a stack:
>>> 
>>> on openCard
>>>  lock screen
>>> 
>>>  -- set the size of the stack
>>>  set the width of this stack to the lastWidth of me
>>>  set the height of this stack to the lastHeight of me
>>>  set the loc of this stack to the lastLoc of me
>>> end openCard
>>> 
>>> on closeCard
>>>  set the lastHeight of me to the height of this stack
>>>  set the lastWidth of me to the width of this stack
>>>  set the lastLoc of me to the loc of this stack
>>> end closeCard
>>> 
>>> I check the properties and each have been updated fine for each card this is called from. However, the openCard handler, while it compiles fine, exits as soon as I try to set the width of the stack in the openStack handler. 
>>> 
>>> If I swap the width and height statements in the openCard handler, the height gets set but the width does not, but *ONLY* on this one card!!!!! Apparently I seem to be in some condition where the width of a stack is read only but only with this one card! Whaaaaaa?????
>>> 
>>> OS X 10.10.3    LC 6.7.2
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>> 
> 
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Regards,

Paul Hibbert
paul at livecode.org






From david at viral.academy  Sat Jul 18 02:36:44 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 07:36:44 +0100
Subject: OT: No More Servers
In-Reply-To: <55A9A325.8040809@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGASioOncrepwwvpww3ow36Lv2F5ZQBQE2kwpQjF4AMCSytfQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A9A325.8040809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioN3wdFHP3+GEa-TzbR0tMSHqy78v=MJkfQP7ktku9iQCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes good feature request.

My approach with Livecode and p2p is not to implement everything in
Livecode. If we did that we would be back to the same problems we have with
Livecode and the web stack - I want to integrate the new p2p tools into the
Livecode tool chain using a combination of command line, C/C++/etc
Livcecode Builder extensions, and/or REST calls to a p2p server running on
localhost.

By the way I think I'm not paying enough attention to the Forum's - there
is an API / Livecode stack for interfacing with information there? Also do
we have a chat / irc channel or equivalent? Not the lovely chatrev -
something that developers in other languages can easily hop into and out of?


On 18 July 2015 at 01:51, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> David Bovill wrote:
>
> > Is anyone on this list interested in topics of decentralised
> > architecture? I've a long standing interest in them, and there
> > are some very interesting new tools that I feel are of deep
> > relevance to Livecode and the Livecode community.
> >
> > A decentralised architecture is one without servers - communication
> > is P2P. Federated architectures are also interesting, and a mix of
> > both is even better.
>
> There was a good conversation about P2P in the forums a while back:
> <http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=18594>
>
> One of the challenges identified in that discussion was the need for UDP
> hole punching - here's the request cited in the fourth comment:
> <http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5097<
>
> Seems like it would be a relatively small change to make in the engine, no?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From david at viral.academy  Sat Jul 18 02:47:26 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 07:47:26 +0100
Subject: Before and after Livecode
Message-ID: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone been using the "before" and "after" handlers in Livecode? If so
what for?

I'm very impressed with them. Together with chain-able behaviors I this we
have some great opportunities for code collaboration without the usual name
space collisions you get with global libraries.

If anyone has any pointers to documentation / architectures that can help
structure these features - that would be great. I've been using MVC type
architectures for a while - dispatching messages from one layer to another
- but it seems that I can do much of the same by routing behaviors, and
using the "before" and "after" features.

I'm not quite sure what to call these message path patterns - are clear
there equivalents in other coding paradigms?


From david at viral.academy  Sat Jul 18 02:48:51 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 07:48:51 +0100
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPoe+kB0mqhd=29crZNMoC10=29t73cM5yt9r2V5v_Y9g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
	<F4629962-F2F9-4CAE-9F43-120ECCA0CEAF@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAAT6EXPoe+kB0mqhd=29crZNMoC10=29t73cM5yt9r2V5v_Y9g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioPDEDuSTa3pPYiJbvKV7Dck4faBqwwUHB8LLwgJHPon0w@mail.gmail.com>

Now that make no sense :)

On 17 July 2015 at 19:17, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:

> I have also found that toggling the blendLevel from 100 to 0 is very quick
> and efficient, compared to hide/show.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> wrote:
>
> > In addition to the wait(/send?) options proposed, you might consider
> > displaying your animation more efficiently. Showing an image and hiding
> > another requires two steps and is inefficient.  You can use a transparent
> > button to display your "frames" by setting the icon property of the
> button
> > to the ID of each of your images in succession, without having to hide
> any
> > image. Plus it's much easier to move the animation around the card since
> > you only need to move the button and don't need to concern yourself with
> > the locations of the images.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Scott Rossi
> > Creative Director
> > Tactile Media UX/UI Design
> >
> >
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From david at viral.academy  Sat Jul 18 02:52:32 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 07:52:32 +0100
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <5405380A-C8D5-484C-A9DA-47802BD9B803@earthednet.org>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
	<5405380A-C8D5-484C-A9DA-47802BD9B803@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAGASioPFvd3XN84OHyc-990yt7nEPKxsbZA2v+_LC=F24DW8kg@mail.gmail.com>

William - thanks for the link. Please add me to the list. I'd be interested
in using this material in teaching, and help with any code. It is a subject
that I am very interested in. Great work!

On 17 July 2015 at 21:48, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> PS:
> The app I am developing is targeted at high school and college
> introductory Earth Science classes and is focussed on getting a range of
> data that supports the theory of Plate Tectonics into student hands. These
> data support realistic scientific investigations and science writing. Some
> of these tools will be incorporated into future versions. The app is unique
> in that it allows easy access to a wide range of Earth data that otherwise
> students have to get from various other web sites, which takes away time
> they might spend on thinking about the meaning of the data. I have used a
> version of this software written in Adobe Director, in large introductory
> Earth Science courses at the University of California, Santa Barbara, to
> anchor science writing and peer review activities. My web site contains
> links to publications describing my activities.
>
> This app will be free to all and I would love to have a few teachers who
> are willing to work with me on it.
>
> If you are willing to look at the app and potentially use it in your
> classroom, I will inform you of new versions and future plans. Also, I will
> welcome (whether you are a teacher or now) suggestions and ideas for
> improvement.
>
> Best regards,
> Bill Prothero
>
> William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
> University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> http://es.earthednet.org/
> my new project link <http://earthednet.org/ptExplorer/Cover.html>
>
>
> > On Jul 16, 2015, at 2:07 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Folks:
> > I have an application that is being used by a class of Earth Science
> students and get failure reports from two who use Windows 8. One lives in
> Australia and one lives in Japan. The app works fine on Macintosh. I?ve
> also tested it on my own installation of both Windows 8.1 and 7, 32 bit and
> 64 bit versions. I can?t get the reported pixellation of the map and screen.
> >
> > I?m wondering if it is something related to foreign installations. The
> symptom is extreme pixellation of images captured with the "export
> snapshot? command. I live in the US.
> >
> > So, I wonder if somebody with Windows 8 would be willing to download the
> app and try it, and perhaps give me an idea of what might be going on. If
> it?s a bug in ?snapshot?, it would be important to be reported and fixed.
> Otherwise, I?m pretty stuck on figuring out what is going on.
> >
> > Here are links:
> > Windows zip file of the app:  <
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsn087vrhstxvg4/PT_Explorer-Windows.zip?dl=0>
> > Pixellated Image sent by a student <
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer%20in%20Windows%208.1.pdf?dl=0
> >
> >
> > Thanks for any help or feedback you can give me.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > William A. Prothero
> > http://es.earthednet.org/
> >
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 03:32:19 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 10:32:19 +0300
Subject: Before and after Livecode
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AA0103.2080108@gmail.com>

On 18/07/15 09:47, David Bovill wrote:
> Has anyone been using the "before" and "after" handlers in Livecode? If so
> what for?
>
> I'm very impressed with them. Together with chain-able behaviors I this we
> have some great opportunities for code collaboration without the usual name
> space collisions you get with global libraries.

Well, Yes, but probably not in the way you mean:

put "a" after fld "XYZ"

put "a" before fld "XYZ"

fairly babyish stuff.

Richmond.

>
> If anyone has any pointers to documentation / architectures that can help
> structure these features - that would be great. I've been using MVC type
> architectures for a while - dispatching messages from one layer to another
> - but it seems that I can do much of the same by routing behaviors, and
> using the "before" and "after" features.
>
> I'm not quite sure what to call these message path patterns - are clear
> there equivalents in other coding paradigms?
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 03:33:24 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 10:33:24 +0300
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPDEDuSTa3pPYiJbvKV7Dck4faBqwwUHB8LLwgJHPon0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
	<F4629962-F2F9-4CAE-9F43-120ECCA0CEAF@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAAT6EXPoe+kB0mqhd=29crZNMoC10=29t73cM5yt9r2V5v_Y9g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioPDEDuSTa3pPYiJbvKV7Dck4faBqwwUHB8LLwgJHPon0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AA0144.7050301@gmail.com>

On 18/07/15 09:48, David Bovill wrote:
> Now that make no sense :)

It does seem odd that that would be better than SET THE VIS or HIDE / SHOW.

Richmond.

>
> On 17 July 2015 at 19:17, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:
>
>> I have also found that toggling the blendLevel from 100 to 0 is very quick
>> and efficient, compared to hide/show.
>>
>> ~Roger
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to the wait(/send?) options proposed, you might consider
>>> displaying your animation more efficiently. Showing an image and hiding
>>> another requires two steps and is inefficient.  You can use a transparent
>>> button to display your "frames" by setting the icon property of the
>> button
>>> to the ID of each of your images in succession, without having to hide
>> any
>>> image. Plus it's much easier to move the animation around the card since
>>> you only need to move the button and don't need to concern yourself with
>>> the locations of the images.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media UX/UI Design
>>>
>>>
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sat Jul 18 05:24:20 2015
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 02:24:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Before and after Livecode
In-Reply-To: <55AA0103.2080108@gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AA0103.2080108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1437211460353-4694053.post@n4.nabble.com>

Richmond I think David is probably referring to the 'before' and 'after'
control structures - as in:

"before mouseUp
  answer "before mouse up received"
end resizeStack"

David, no sorry I've never used them (and yes they are interesting...)




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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 06:09:04 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 13:09:04 +0300
Subject: Before and after Livecode
In-Reply-To: <1437211460353-4694053.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AA0103.2080108@gmail.com> <1437211460353-4694053.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55AA25C0.2000405@gmail.com>

On 18/07/15 12:24, Dave Kilroy wrote:
> Richmond I think David is probably referring to the 'before' and 'after'
> control structures - as in:
>
> "before mouseUp
>    answer "before mouse up received"
> end resizeStack"
>
> David, no sorry I've never used them (and yes they are interesting...)
>
I'm sure you are right.

Richmond.
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 18 10:18:06 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 07:18:06 -0700
Subject: OT: No More Servers
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioN3wdFHP3+GEa-TzbR0tMSHqy78v=MJkfQP7ktku9iQCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioN3wdFHP3+GEa-TzbR0tMSHqy78v=MJkfQP7ktku9iQCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AA601E.4070102@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

 > By the way I think I'm not paying enough attention to the Forum's
 > - there is an API / Livecode stack for interfacing with information
 > there?

I just use a Web browser, though I also have a process that grabs and 
distills the RSS feed periodically throughout the day.

For browsing, I've bookmarked the "New Posts" link so when I arrive I 
see only the most recent activity.

For RSS, the options are very flexible.  Every section of the forums has 
their own RSS feed, and there's a master feed for the forums as a whole 
in the upper-right of the page:
<http://forums.livecode.com/feed.php>

There's also an email subscription option, but I haven't used it so if 
that's of interest we'll have to rely on the experience of others here 
who have.

There may be other options as well. The forums use PHPBB, which is 
fairly robust and reasonably flexible.


 > Also do we have a chat / irc channel or equivalent? Not the lovely
 > chatrev - something that developers in other languages can easily
 > hop into and out of?

Most FOSS projects I know use IRC extensively, but that doesn't seem a 
popular option in our community.  Never too late to start, though. 
There are many IRC clients, though surprisingly few attractive ones. 
But even the ones readily available aren't entirely unusable, and IRC 
itself is very useful.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Jul 18 12:12:17 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 16:12:17 +0000
Subject: OT: No More Servers
In-Reply-To: <55AA601E.4070102@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGASioN3wdFHP3+GEa-TzbR0tMSHqy78v=MJkfQP7ktku9iQCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AA601E.4070102@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMxLPmQZjrOP5bg3C6zv0eMyLbPrGqh-5rCdjP6XtqT7A@mail.gmail.com>

I get a daily digest of the forum postings by email.  It works quite well
with a one line summary of each post at the top which you can click on to
get to the post further down the email.  The email also has links to the
post on the forum itself.

The only downside I've found is that if there are a lot of posts, the one
line list shows them all but the some of the later posts are not in the
email.  That could be a function of how I read my emails (Google Inbox)
rather a forum issue.

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 7:18 AM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> David Bovill wrote:
>
>  > By the way I think I'm not paying enough attention to the Forum's
>  > - there is an API / Livecode stack for interfacing with information
>  > there?
>
> I just use a Web browser, though I also have a process that grabs and
> distills the RSS feed periodically throughout the day.
>
> For browsing, I've bookmarked the "New Posts" link so when I arrive I
> see only the most recent activity.
>
> For RSS, the options are very flexible.  Every section of the forums has
> their own RSS feed, and there's a master feed for the forums as a whole
> in the upper-right of the page:
> <http://forums.livecode.com/feed.php>
>
> There's also an email subscription option, but I haven't used it so if
> that's of interest we'll have to rely on the experience of others here
> who have.
>
> There may be other options as well. The forums use PHPBB, which is
> fairly robust and reasonably flexible.
>
>
>  > Also do we have a chat / irc channel or equivalent? Not the lovely
>  > chatrev - something that developers in other languages can easily
>  > hop into and out of?
>
> Most FOSS projects I know use IRC extensively, but that doesn't seem a
> popular option in our community.  Never too late to start, though.
> There are many IRC clients, though surprisingly few attractive ones.
> But even the ones readily available aren't entirely unusable, and IRC
> itself is very useful.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 18 12:33:52 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:33:52 -0700
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <55AA0144.7050301@gmail.com>
References: <55AA0144.7050301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AA7FF0.8060000@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

 >> On 17 July 2015 at 19:17, Roger Eller wrote:
 >>
 >>> I have also found that toggling the blendLevel from 100 to 0 is
 >>> very quick and efficient, compared to hide/show.
 >>
 > On 18/07/15 09:48, David Bovill wrote:
 >> Now that make no sense :)
 >
 > It does seem odd that that would be better than SET THE VIS or HIDE /
 > SHOW.

I haven't benchmarked so I can't say, and I've found hide/show so fast 
it would never have occurred to me to experiment with an alternative.

But I'd guess that any measurable difference may be attributable to 
blend level not requiring a change to the hit-testing queue.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul 18 13:16:44 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 10:16:44 -0700
Subject: Improving "Bug Reports" feature of standalones
In-Reply-To: <1437146613353-4694032.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1437146613353-4694032.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55AA89FC.5000406@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/17/2015 08:23 AM, tbodine wrote:

> I use the built-in "Bug Reports" feature of the standalone builder, which
> provides basic info. via email when a user hits an error. Problem is these
> reports omit basic, key details, such as the platform and my codebase
> version number. And users never include those in their comments.
>
> A typical bug report sends this info:
> Executing at [timestamp]
> Type: [ex.: Chunk: can't find stack]
> Object: [ex.: a stack name]
> Line Num: 366
> Hint: [ex.: a handler name]
> Comments:
>
> Is there a way to tweak the contents of the error report to add a product
> version number and platform stored in a global?

Tom-

Look at the substack revErrorReport of stack revStandaloneSettings

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Jul 18 13:41:24 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 10:41:24 -0700
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPFvd3XN84OHyc-990yt7nEPKxsbZA2v+_LC=F24DW8kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
	<5405380A-C8D5-484C-A9DA-47802BD9B803@earthednet.org>
	<CAGASioPFvd3XN84OHyc-990yt7nEPKxsbZA2v+_LC=F24DW8kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA13FB75-C202-4580-89E0-AEF98B2CAB1A@earthednet.org>

David:
Thank you for your interest. I have your xxxx at viral.academy <mailto:xxxx at viral.academy> email from your posting. If you?d like another, please contact me offlist at prothero at earthednet.org <mailto:prothero at earthednet.org>.

My biggest problem right now is figuring out why two foreign students using Windows 8 had problems. The Japanese student had pixellation problems that seemed to appear on the screen captured image. Another found a crash that I can?t duplicate, but he described what happened and it may be able to be fixed if I do more error testing in my code.

If you have any suggestions on how to get this tested without using/abusing students in classes, please let me know.

In the future, I hope you can give me some feedback on the kind of student management that would be useful. The version that is being used right now was a very preliminary one. I am going to set up so I get a log of each student?s computer and OS type when they log in, and a better bug reporting system. Also, I will implement some kind of system that will bundle and send a student?s homework to a specified teacher. This kind of login for a specific class will be a separate module that will let me reconfigure the software easily for different applications.


Regards,
Bill Prothero

> On Jul 17, 2015, at 11:52 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> William - thanks for the link. Please add me to the list. I'd be interested
> in using this material in teaching, and help with any code. It is a subject
> that I am very interested in. Great work!
> 
> On 17 July 2015 at 21:48, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
>> PS:
>> The app I am developing is targeted at high school and college
>> introductory Earth Science classes and is focussed on getting a range of
>> data that supports the theory of Plate Tectonics into student hands. These
>> data support realistic scientific investigations and science writing. Some
>> of these tools will be incorporated into future versions. The app is unique
>> in that it allows easy access to a wide range of Earth data that otherwise
>> students have to get from various other web sites, which takes away time
>> they might spend on thinking about the meaning of the data. I have used a
>> version of this software written in Adobe Director, in large introductory
>> Earth Science courses at the University of California, Santa Barbara, to
>> anchor science writing and peer review activities. My web site contains
>> links to publications describing my activities.
>> 
>> This app will be free to all and I would love to have a few teachers who
>> are willing to work with me on it.
>> 
>> If you are willing to look at the app and potentially use it in your
>> classroom, I will inform you of new versions and future plans. Also, I will
>> welcome (whether you are a teacher or now) suggestions and ideas for
>> improvement.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Bill Prothero
>> 
>> William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
>> University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>> my new project link <http://earthednet.org/ptExplorer/Cover.html>
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 2:07 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Folks:
>>> I have an application that is being used by a class of Earth Science
>> students and get failure reports from two who use Windows 8. One lives in
>> Australia and one lives in Japan. The app works fine on Macintosh. I?ve
>> also tested it on my own installation of both Windows 8.1 and 7, 32 bit and
>> 64 bit versions. I can?t get the reported pixellation of the map and screen.
>>> 
>>> I?m wondering if it is something related to foreign installations. The
>> symptom is extreme pixellation of images captured with the "export
>> snapshot? command. I live in the US.
>>> 
>>> So, I wonder if somebody with Windows 8 would be willing to download the
>> app and try it, and perhaps give me an idea of what might be going on. If
>> it?s a bug in ?snapshot?, it would be important to be reported and fixed.
>> Otherwise, I?m pretty stuck on figuring out what is going on.
>>> 
>>> Here are links:
>>> Windows zip file of the app:  <
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsn087vrhstxvg4/PT_Explorer-Windows.zip?dl=0>
>>> Pixellated Image sent by a student <
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer%20in%20Windows%208.1.pdf?dl=0
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help or feedback you can give me.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> William A. Prothero
>>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>>> 
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Jul 18 13:47:49 2015
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 19:47:49 +0200
Subject: Oh ! So completely OT ......( All about CPU allocation !)
Message-ID: <824F6C0D-B834-4974-BD15-6C472DD8EAD1@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

I was brought up in the era of IBM 360/370  main-Frame computers,
where the Operating Systems used a dynamic CPU allocation, based
upon the the CPU requirements. For the novice, in this era, it seemed
strange to allocate CPU time in an ?apparent? reverse order of logic, 
ie  : The Input/Output bound programs had a higher priority than CPU
bound programs. This worked well for several decades, based upon
the simple precept that the highest priority program would go rapidly
into a wait state, while the I/O device did its transfer relatively slowly,
thus allowing the lower priority programs to sponge up the maximum
CPU time for their Nitty-Gritty CPU-bound activities. It worked well !

Now we come to todays problem. Today, on my latest Mac computers, I
launch long-duration data transfers (of many gb?s - no longer I/O bound
 ?cos of the fantastic data transfer speeds, and find that my request to do
a simple Google lookup is now taking eons to execute, because of the
extremely high data-transfer rates (and low wait time) of the Data Transfer
functions.

I?ve lost touch with Operating Systems over the years, but I wonder if
anybody out there has any knowledge of CPU allocation techniques
on the latest micro-computers, using giga-bit data-transfer rates. It 
may be ?round-robin? techniques as with old IBM-MFT systems. but it
is giving me pains (like now, I never risk launching a long-standing
I/O disk copy if I want to get back into my computer quickly) ?..

Just a tad perplexed ??

-Francis

?Nothing should ever be done for the first time !?




From colinholgate at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 13:55:15 2015
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 13:55:15 -0400
Subject: Oh ! So completely OT ......( All about CPU allocation !)
In-Reply-To: <824F6C0D-B834-4974-BD15-6C472DD8EAD1@wanadoo.fr>
References: <824F6C0D-B834-4974-BD15-6C472DD8EAD1@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <25D8DA83-9030-4816-B0A8-C3214BEB1793@gmail.com>

In the Unix world you would be talking about renice. It works for Mac OS too:

http://www.andrewhazelden.com/blog/2011/03/using-renice-to-control-cpu-usage/ <http://www.andrewhazelden.com/blog/2011/03/using-renice-to-control-cpu-usage/>




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul 18 14:48:00 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 11:48:00 -0700
Subject: Filing Bugs is so hard - bugzilla is buggy
In-Reply-To: <55A97F5A.3020107@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGASioMiKG0RUhBEbL4qOo_nee=i=LXxWTkAbNMurFXdTDXvgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A97F5A.3020107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <55AA9F60.7040801@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/17/2015 03:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Bugzilla is a current project, used by thousands of sites.

Sad but true.

Are there limitations to what can be attached to an LC bug report?
I've been trying to attach valgrind output to bug 15617 investigating 
why LC7 is so slow on linux, and bugzilla helpfully just stares at me. 
Doesn't matter if it's gzipped or not.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 18 15:00:20 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 12:00:20 -0700
Subject: Filing Bugs is so hard - bugzilla is buggy
In-Reply-To: <55AA9F60.7040801@ahsoftware.net>
References: <55AA9F60.7040801@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <55AAA244.40807@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

 > On 07/17/2015 03:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> Bugzilla is a current project, used by thousands of sites.
 >
 > Sad but true.

Some pretty nice projects on this list, including KDE and LibreOffice:
https://www.bugzilla.org/installation-list/

(And yes, I recently submitted LC to be included there).

I used to find it annoying, but after the last two modifications the 
team put into place I've grown to like it.


 > Are there limitations to what can be attached to an LC bug report?
 > I've been trying to attach valgrind output to bug 15617 investigating
 > why LC7 is so slow on linux, and bugzilla helpfully just stares at
 > me.
 > Doesn't matter if it's gzipped or not.

If it's because of the file size that should be an adjustable setting. 
Hopefully your note in that report will prompt them to raise it.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From david at viral.academy  Sat Jul 18 15:28:34 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 20:28:34 +0100
Subject: Before and after Livecode
In-Reply-To: <55AA25C0.2000405@gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AA0103.2080108@gmail.com>
	<1437211460353-4694053.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<55AA25C0.2000405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioP_fAvSZhWB328=0wYmLGcQdv3RWLShqBKfAT6PJeDE-Q@mail.gmail.com>

An example of how I used them to solve a problem that's bugged me for years
- logging / debugging things like servers. You can write a server in a tiny
bit of code, but to see what is going on / wrong you want to log things at
every step - or at least the important bits - and your code ends up with
lot's of loggin bits everywhere - even if you use a library for the actual
logging code.

Now with before / after handlers - no logging code in the server - it's so
clean and simple it is gorgeous. When I want logging I add the behavior
which includes all the efore / after handlers that havve acess to all the
data and just do the logging. When I don;t want them I remove the behavior.
Nice.

On 18 July 2015 at 11:09, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 18/07/15 12:24, Dave Kilroy wrote:
>
>> Richmond I think David is probably referring to the 'before' and 'after'
>> control structures - as in:
>>
>> "before mouseUp
>>    answer "before mouse up received"
>> end resizeStack"
>>
>> David, no sorry I've never used them (and yes they are interesting...)
>>
>>  I'm sure you are right.
>
> Richmond.
>
>>
>>
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>> - Albert Einstein
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From peter.brett at livecode.com  Sat Jul 18 15:32:41 2015
From: peter.brett at livecode.com (Peter TB Brett)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 20:32:41 +0100
Subject: Filing Bugs is so hard - bugzilla is buggy
In-Reply-To: <55AA9F60.7040801@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAGASioMiKG0RUhBEbL4qOo_nee=i=LXxWTkAbNMurFXdTDXvgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A97F5A.3020107@fourthworld.com> <55AA9F60.7040801@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <133501b9f42abdedae0c786175274558@livecode.com>

On 2015-07-18 19:48, Mark Wieder wrote:
> On 07/17/2015 03:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Bugzilla is a current project, used by thousands of sites.
> 
> Sad but true.
> 
> Are there limitations to what can be attached to an LC bug report?
> I've been trying to attach valgrind output to bug 15617 investigating
> why LC7 is so slow on linux, and bugzilla helpfully just stares at me.
> Doesn't matter if it's gzipped or not.

That's a bit odd -- and, understandably, really frustrating.  
Unfortunately, I'm not sure we can do anything about it over the 
weekend.  Hopefully, one of the team will be able to sort it out on 
Monday.

                                             Peter

-- 
Dr Peter Brett <peter.brett at livecode.com>
LiveCode Engine Development Team




From rjb at robelko.com  Sat Jul 18 19:45:33 2015
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 01:45:33 +0200
Subject: Before and after Livecode
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioP_fAvSZhWB328=0wYmLGcQdv3RWLShqBKfAT6PJeDE-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AA0103.2080108@gmail.com>	<1437211460353-4694053.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<55AA25C0.2000405@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioP_fAvSZhWB328=0wYmLGcQdv3RWLShqBKfAT6PJeDE-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240855d1d0952cbb00@[192.168.1.94]>

On 18.07.2015 at 20:28 Uhr +0100 David Bovill apparently wrote:
>
>Now with before / after handlers - no logging code in the server - it's so
>clean and simple it is gorgeous. When I want logging I add the behavior
>which includes all the efore / after handlers that havve acess to all the
>data and just do the logging. When I don;t want them I remove the behavior.
>Nice.

Indeed. I wonder whether before/after could be used to populate 
popup/pulldown lists in buttons dynamically (upon mouse click) or 
store field selection before it looses focus.

RObert



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Jul 18 21:19:30 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 18:19:30 -0700
Subject: Before and after Livecode
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioP_fAvSZhWB328=0wYmLGcQdv3RWLShqBKfAT6PJeDE-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>	<55AA0103.2080108@gmail.com>	<1437211460353-4694053.post@n4.nabble.com>	<55AA25C0.2000405@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioP_fAvSZhWB328=0wYmLGcQdv3RWLShqBKfAT6PJeDE-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AAFB22.3040909@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/18/2015 12:28 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> Now with before / after handlers - no logging code in the server - it's so
> clean and simple it is gorgeous. When I want logging I add the behavior
> which includes all the efore / after handlers that havve acess to all the
> data and just do the logging. When I don;t want them I remove the behavior.
> Nice.

Brilliant.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sun Jul 19 04:27:54 2015
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 01:27:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Before and after Livecode
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioP_fAvSZhWB328=0wYmLGcQdv3RWLShqBKfAT6PJeDE-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AA0103.2080108@gmail.com>
	<1437211460353-4694053.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<55AA25C0.2000405@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioP_fAvSZhWB328=0wYmLGcQdv3RWLShqBKfAT6PJeDE-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1437294474355-4694068.post@n4.nabble.com>

Ah that's clever! Thank you, I'll try that next time I need logging :)


David Bovill-3 wrote
> An example of how I used them to solve a problem that's bugged me for
> years
> - logging / debugging things like servers. You can write a server in a
> tiny
> bit of code, but to see what is going on / wrong you want to log things at
> every step - or at least the important bits - and your code ends up with
> lot's of loggin bits everywhere - even if you use a library for the actual
> logging code.
> 
> Now with before / after handlers - no logging code in the server - it's so
> clean and simple it is gorgeous. When I want logging I add the behavior
> which includes all the efore / after handlers that havve acess to all the
> data and just do the logging. When I don;t want them I remove the
> behavior.
> Nice.





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From jbv at souslelogo.com  Sun Jul 19 08:21:11 2015
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 15:21:11 +0300
Subject: [semi OT] htaccess file question
Message-ID: <14fd44c57736928cc120f4d212c2e4ab.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>

Hello list
I have different apps used by clients that make requests to LC scripts on
a server. All this stuff is a few years old and all scripts urls are in
the .irev format. I would like to use instead new .lc scripts without
having to rewrite, recompile and redistribute the apps.
Can I use the htaccess file to have all url requests ending with .irev
triggering the .lc scripts instead (similar scripts but using the most
recent engine) ?
If yes, how to ?
The main reason behind that is that I've been told that .irev scripts use
the legacy engine, which is plagued with random bugs...

Thanks in advance
jbv




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 09:07:53 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:07:53 -0400
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
Message-ID: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>

I have a list field in one stack that isn't behaving properly. List fields are supposed to allow up and down arrowkeys to move the hilited line. From the dictionary: "If a field's listBehavior property is set to true, and the user clicks a line, the entire line is highlighted. The Up and Down arrow keys move the selection up or down." I have a similar field in another stack that works exactly as expected. The two fields both have their listbehavior set to true -- in fact, AFAICS all their basic properties are the same. I have no arrowkey handlers in any scripts in the misbehaving stack.

Ideas?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 10:12:59 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:12:59 -0600
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if this is what you're seeing, but if you are using tab to enter
the next field, then using arrow keys to navigate up and down, it doesn't
work. (6.7.6) When you tab into a list field, the hilite remains, but there
is no selection in the field. IE no insertion point, so the arrow keys
don't work.

I've found that if you select the hilited line as you tab into the field it
solves this problem.

If this is the problem you are seeing, clicking a line in the recalcitrant
field should make the arrow keys start working, because the click selects a
line.

Another direction to solve it would be to catch the arrowkey message in the
field, and if there is a hilite, but no lines selected, select the hilited
line then pass arrowkey. If there are no lines selected, and no hilites,
select and hilite the first line.  If I understand correctly, the second
part should only be necessary if you have toggle hilites turned on.
(because otherwise when you tab into the field, a line is selected.)

I just noticed another interesting thing (Still in 6.7.6)

Selecting "click to toggle" in the inspector puts a checkmark into
mutli-line and non-contiguous (as it should?) but clicking away and coming
back to the object, only click to toggle is still selected.

Oh, and final note on this, if you have multiline non-contiguous selected
you'd have to account for that too.

Check the focused object when the arrow keys aren't working. If the correct
field is focused, check the selectedline to see if there is one. If not,
the arrow keys fail to work.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a list field in one stack that isn't behaving properly. List fields
> are supposed to allow up and down arrowkeys to move the hilited line. From
> the dictionary: "If a field's listBehavior property is set to true, and the
> user clicks a line, the entire line is highlighted. The Up and Down arrow
> keys move the selection up or down." I have a similar field in another
> stack that works exactly as expected. The two fields both have their
> listbehavior set to true -- in fact, AFAICS all their basic properties are
> the same. I have no arrowkey handlers in any scripts in the misbehaving
> stack.
>
> Ideas?
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
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From david at viral.academy  Sun Jul 19 10:37:38 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 15:37:38 +0100
Subject: Before and after Livecode
In-Reply-To: <55AAFB22.3040909@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AA0103.2080108@gmail.com>
	<1437211460353-4694053.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<55AA25C0.2000405@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioP_fAvSZhWB328=0wYmLGcQdv3RWLShqBKfAT6PJeDE-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AAFB22.3040909@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAGASioON1E-NU8T70M1ddN=3-Rt_Yj6b8YxsjJWdKads=hfaqg@mail.gmail.com>

Oh wow - it get's better.

Say you have a handler - that processes some information from a request and
then sends out a response. In my case the server bundles useful stuff into
a requestArray, and after it has been routed a handler processes it and
sends back a reply to the browser. The handler looks like this:

*command* process_UnGot socketID, requestArray
>    *put* requestArray ["someInput"] && "is flexible!" into someMessage
>    daemon_SendJSON socketID, someMessage
>    *return* "An ungot url path"
> *end* process_UnGot


So let's say we want to modify this processing in some way - but not touch
the code. We can override the handler, by using the same "process_UnGot" -
but what if we want to just modify the data and let the existing code do
it's thing. how can we put stuff into the requestArray without altering the
existing code?

Well damned me if you can't use the following before handler in another
script:

before process_UnGot socketID, @requestArray
>    *put* "rubbish" into requestArray ["test"]
> *end* process_UnGot


Note the "@" - it's not in the original handler - but it still works!
Inject anything you want into any existing handler without messing with
your existing code. Middleware just got sexy.


On 19 July 2015 at 02:19, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> On 07/18/2015 12:28 PM, David Bovill wrote:
>
>  Now with before / after handlers - no logging code in the server - it's so
>> clean and simple it is gorgeous. When I want logging I add the behavior
>> which includes all the efore / after handlers that havve acess to all the
>> data and just do the logging. When I don;t want them I remove the
>> behavior.
>> Nice.
>>
>
> Brilliant.
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 10:40:07 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:40:07 -0600
Subject: [semi OT] htaccess file question
In-Reply-To: <14fd44c57736928cc120f4d212c2e4ab.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
References: <14fd44c57736928cc120f4d212c2e4ab.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqN1H5ePKHd+31vxBX7KD9u5pG3L_gF9+UmSoetvH6mPQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think you can override the behavior using an htaccess so that your irev
files use the new server.  (assuming you can the system is set up to allow
overrides)  The problem is, knowing where the correct engine is located so
that you can set up your htaccess to point to it.  To find this out, I set
up an lc script that checks some environmental info.

SCRIPT_NAME: /cgi-bin/livecode-server
SCRIPT_FILENAME: /usr/local/cpanel/cgi-sys/livecode-server-6.6.2


So.  Hopefully, if you set up an .htaccess file something like the
following, it will work.

    Options ExecCGI
    AddHandler livecode-script .irev
    Action livecode-script /cgi-bin/livecode-server


I just did a quick test by changing livecode-server (in an htaccess I
just created) to something nonsensical, and it fails as I'd expect, so
overrides are indeed allowed.



Just did a test.  Gong from lc scripts down to the old server would
require changes to your pages (because the <?lc is not recognized) but
going the other direction works fine. I set up an .irev file, changed
my .htaccess as above, and it works like a champ.

This is my test script..


<?rev
put the version & "<br><pre>"
repeat for each key tKey in $_SERVER
put merge("[[tKey]]: [[ $_SERVER[tkey] ]] [[cr]]")
end repeat
put "</pre>"

?>


On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 6:21 AM, <jbv at souslelogo.com> wrote:

> Hello list
> I have different apps used by clients that make requests to LC scripts on
> a server. All this stuff is a few years old and all scripts urls are in
> the .irev format. I would like to use instead new .lc scripts without
> having to rewrite, recompile and redistribute the apps.
> Can I use the htaccess file to have all url requests ending with .irev
> triggering the .lc scripts instead (similar scripts but using the most
> recent engine) ?
> If yes, how to ?
> The main reason behind that is that I've been told that .irev scripts use
> the legacy engine, which is plagued with random bugs...
>
> Thanks in advance
> jbv
>
>
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 11:15:06 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:15:06 -0700
Subject: Thoughts on designing for postgres server performance
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGfZZ2B6PWU8CGoad1NU-hOM-R1+cPD+eTeqUEdFEXGVw@mail.gmail.com>

My application runs on the loss computer (and eventually tablet) and uses
multiple :memory: SQLite tables for data.  Periodically (every few seconds)
a synchronization to postgres server occurs.  Each of my customer's
clients/debtors ends up in a single file on the server.

Currently, the application generates an SQLite command, and feeds the
server a command to stash this, and recovers any commands since the last
sync.

As livecode can't open an SSL connection to postgres, and can't handle
compound commands to mySQL (even I was willing to risk data with it, which
I'm not), I'm forced to write a simple server.

One possibility is to continue as I am now, stating the commands.  The
other is to actually save the values (there are half a dozen per entry for
a couple of tables, and a few dozen/entry for the other)

The serious value in the program to the customer is handling the
dependencies and calculations in the data.  If I had data rather than
commands on the server, the server could do some of these calculations, and
send data back.  The more I think of it, though, this is suboptimal, at
least for a computer:  the local machine can do this near instantly, while
there would be an unacceptable delay waiting for data.  On a tablet, delay
right e more tolerable, but I think any modern iPad has the punch to handle
it.

So now that I seem to have convinced myself anyway, the *real* question
that brought me here . . .

If I have, varyingly, a few or dozens of columns per datapoint/record, it's
going to be a significantly lower load on the server (thus less servers) if
I stash/recover a string with a key, timestamp,and userstamp than if I give
it values to play in various columns?  the more I think of itI can't see
how this could not be the case, even though the string might be 2-10 times
the data storage (still not much) and larger data to sling back and forth .
. .\

It would also make it far easier to rewrite the server in something other
than livecode . . .
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 11:20:51 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:20:51 -0700
Subject: Before and after Livecode
In-Reply-To: <p06240855d1d0952cbb00@192.168.1.94>
References: <CAGASioNRWE6G=4j+51Hr4OFHuvL0_LF7NAr7ayDHBWa2+QBLsQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AA0103.2080108@gmail.com>
	<1437211460353-4694053.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<55AA25C0.2000405@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioP_fAvSZhWB328=0wYmLGcQdv3RWLShqBKfAT6PJeDE-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240855d1d0952cbb00@192.168.1.94>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSG2HiDAdxsTuLVZunWC9zX3oOUARQ6jGPqgVOuHm14c3w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:

> Indeed. I wonder whether before/after could be used to populate
> popup/pulldown lists in buttons dynamically (upon mouse click) or store
> field selection before it looses focus.
>
>
For saving valuesNot following the advantage here ? it seems that things
worked fine using closeField. Similarly, on mouseDown can load the images
or items from button. Where would be the vantage be?


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 11:29:25 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 08:29:25 -0700
Subject: Oh ! So completely OT ......( All about CPU allocation !)
In-Reply-To: <25D8DA83-9030-4816-B0A8-C3214BEB1793@gmail.com>
References: <824F6C0D-B834-4974-BD15-6C472DD8EAD1@wanadoo.fr>
	<25D8DA83-9030-4816-B0A8-C3214BEB1793@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGggWHFwGShO1mshELpX6aOpL3ELi-yW85k5hfiaDPQfg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Colin Holgate <colinholgate at gmail.com>
wrote:

> In the Unix world you would be talking about renice. It works for Mac OS
> too:
>

renice is wonderful; I used to use it all the time.

Today however I don't have anything that spikes the CPU other than building
livecode standalones, and all my machines are multi core.

Okay, and Wuala is just plain a pig. I suppose that is because it is
written in Java. It sucks huge amounts of energy even when it has nothing
to synchronize, but there is only one alternative (spideroak) for keeping
machines synchronized that does the encryption at the user end instead of
the server.  In my quad-core i7 macbook retina, it keeps my fans running
even at idle.   It seems better behaved the new macbook.
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jul 19 11:39:22 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 17:39:22 +0200
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <55ABC4AA.7000408@economy-x-talk.com>

Bill,

I had a look at your app. There is no "export snapshot" button or menu 
item. Please, provide instructions as brief as possible.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Installer Maker for LiveCode:
http://qery.us/468

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http://qery.us/3fi

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On 7/16/2015 23:07, William Prothero wrote:
> Folks:
> I have an application that is being used by a class of Earth Science students and get failure reports from two who use Windows 8. One lives in Australia and one lives in Japan. The app works fine on Macintosh. I?ve also tested it on my own installation of both Windows 8.1 and 7, 32 bit and 64 bit versions. I can?t get the reported pixellation of the map and screen.
>
> I?m wondering if it is something related to foreign installations. The symptom is extreme pixellation of images captured with the "export snapshot? command. I live in the US.
>
> So, I wonder if somebody with Windows 8 would be willing to download the app and try it, and perhaps give me an idea of what might be going on. If it?s a bug in ?snapshot?, it would be important to be reported and fixed. Otherwise, I?m pretty stuck on figuring out what is going on.
>
> Here are links:
> Windows zip file of the app:  <https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsn087vrhstxvg4/PT_Explorer-Windows.zip?dl=0>
> Pixellated Image sent by a student <https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer%20in%20Windows%208.1.pdf?dl=0>
>
> Thanks for any help or feedback you can give me.
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
>
> William A. Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org/
>
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Jul 19 13:09:05 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <55ABC4AA.7000408@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
	<55ABC4AA.7000408@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <7D688C6B-0EB8-4704-A6A1-1625B4593233@earthednet.org>

Mark:
Thanks for looking at the app. 

Instructions:
1. launch app
2. Click on ?Begin? button with option key down.
3. At Welcome screen, click on ?Go To Map? button
4. At Map screen, select ?Quakes? form the dropdown labeled ?Select data to be plotted?
5. Click on ?Save Map Image? (optional)
6. Click on the ?+? magnifier button, move the mouse over the map, and then click. The magnifier symbol should move with the mouse.
7. Make an elevation plot by first clicking on the ?Make A Profile? checkbox, then drag the mouse across a segment of the map image.

The snapshot is taken whenever the map screen changes. Symbol data are drawn into the snapshot image data. The map is a very large jpeg, which is reduced, then the snapshot is taken. When the map is magnified (by increments of a factor of 2), or moved, a new snapshot is taken. 

It appears that the pixellation occurs at the snapshot step. There is a region below the map (initially grey) that holds the data plots. This plot is created by creating the various graphic elements (fields, boxes, lines), then a snapshot taken, and then the plot elements deleted. The plot image is then the snapshot. This was also shown as pixellated (by the student with the problem), so I think it is most likely a snapshot problem. 

Thanks so much for looking at this, Mark!! I have not been able to duplicate this problem on my Parallels hosted Windows 8.1 system.

Best regards,
Bill

> On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I had a look at your app. There is no "export snapshot" button or menu item. Please, provide instructions as brief as possible.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
> 
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
> 
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> 




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jul 19 14:10:27 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 20:10:27 +0200
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <7D688C6B-0EB8-4704-A6A1-1625B4593233@earthednet.org>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>	<55ABC4AA.7000408@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7D688C6B-0EB8-4704-A6A1-1625B4593233@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <55ABE813.3080606@economy-x-talk.com>

Bill,

I performed step 1 till 7. What are the steps to check if anything 
relevant is extremely pixelated?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Installer Maker for LiveCode:
http://qery.us/468

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 7/19/2015 19:09, William Prothero wrote:
> Mark:
> Thanks for looking at the app.
>
> Instructions:
> 1. launch app
> 2. Click on ?Begin? button with option key down.
> 3. At Welcome screen, click on ?Go To Map? button
> 4. At Map screen, select ?Quakes? form the dropdown labeled ?Select data to be plotted?
> 5. Click on ?Save Map Image? (optional)
> 6. Click on the ?+? magnifier button, move the mouse over the map, and then click. The magnifier symbol should move with the mouse.
> 7. Make an elevation plot by first clicking on the ?Make A Profile? checkbox, then drag the mouse across a segment of the map image.
>
> The snapshot is taken whenever the map screen changes. Symbol data are drawn into the snapshot image data. The map is a very large jpeg, which is reduced, then the snapshot is taken. When the map is magnified (by increments of a factor of 2), or moved, a new snapshot is taken.
>
> It appears that the pixellation occurs at the snapshot step. There is a region below the map (initially grey) that holds the data plots. This plot is created by creating the various graphic elements (fields, boxes, lines), then a snapshot taken, and then the plot elements deleted. The plot image is then the snapshot. This was also shown as pixellated (by the student with the problem), so I think it is most likely a snapshot problem.
>
> Thanks so much for looking at this, Mark!! I have not been able to duplicate this problem on my Parallels hosted Windows 8.1 system.
>
> Best regards,
> Bill
>
>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I had a look at your app. There is no "export snapshot" button or menu item. Please, provide instructions as brief as possible.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>> http://qery.us/468
>>
>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>
>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>
>
>
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sun Jul 19 14:56:29 2015
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 20:56:29 +0200
Subject: Oh ! So completely OT ......( All about CPU allocation !)
Message-ID: <2FAB6F3A-5961-41F4-9605-BAEFDD5D7CA4@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful Brittany,

Colin Holgate wrote :

> In the Unix world you would be talking about renice. It works for Mac OS too:

Thanks Colin

Thought for the day : ?Windows is a pane ! ??."


From t.heaford at icloud.com  Sun Jul 19 15:36:48 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 20:36:48 +0100
Subject: windowShape
Message-ID: <F436AE98-17A8-454E-9EFA-C79B0D5A2C23@icloud.com>

I have been messing about with applying windowShape and although I can get the shape to work it does not take the colour of the image.

Should it? and how do I do it please?

I have taken a screen shot of the window being used as a palette with the original image beneath.

It can be seen here:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png

The original image is a png with alpha and shows as blue.

The palette window is grey.

How do I apply the blue colour of the image?

Thanks

Terry




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jul 19 15:41:43 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 21:41:43 +0200
Subject: windowShape
In-Reply-To: <F436AE98-17A8-454E-9EFA-C79B0D5A2C23@icloud.com>
References: <F436AE98-17A8-454E-9EFA-C79B0D5A2C23@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <55ABFD77.6030904@economy-x-talk.com>

Terence,

Set the visible of the image to true and position it correctly :-)

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Installer Maker for LiveCode:
http://qery.us/468

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On 7/19/2015 21:36, Terence Heaford wrote:
> I have been messing about with applying windowShape and although I can get the shape to work it does not take the colour of the image.
>
> Should it? and how do I do it please?
>
> I have taken a screen shot of the window being used as a palette with the original image beneath.
>
> It can be seen here:
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png
>
> The original image is a png with alpha and shows as blue.
>
> The palette window is grey.
>
> How do I apply the blue colour of the image?
>
> Thanks
>
> Terry
>
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sun Jul 19 15:42:41 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 21:42:41 +0200
Subject: [semi OT] htaccess file question
In-Reply-To: <14fd44c57736928cc120f4d212c2e4ab.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
References: <14fd44c57736928cc120f4d212c2e4ab.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <A731CA1B-C476-4DF6-9604-6660C840CB6D@m-r-d.de>

Hi jbv,


try the following in your .htaccess file:

RewriteEngine on 
RewriteRule ^(.*).irev$ $1.lc [L]


Regards,

Matthias



> Am 19.07.2015 um 14:21 schrieb jbv at souslelogo.com:
> 
> Hello list
> I have different apps used by clients that make requests to LC scripts on
> a server. All this stuff is a few years old and all scripts urls are in
> the .irev format. I would like to use instead new .lc scripts without
> having to rewrite, recompile and redistribute the apps.
> Can I use the htaccess file to have all url requests ending with .irev
> triggering the .lc scripts instead (similar scripts but using the most
> recent engine) ?
> If yes, how to ?
> The main reason behind that is that I've been told that .irev scripts use
> the legacy engine, which is plagued with random bugs...
> 
> Thanks in advance
> jbv
> 
> 
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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Sun Jul 19 15:52:44 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 20:52:44 +0100
Subject: windowShape
In-Reply-To: <55ABFD77.6030904@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <F436AE98-17A8-454E-9EFA-C79B0D5A2C23@icloud.com>
	<55ABFD77.6030904@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <09A0B0A6-2940-4C60-989D-56841E61D224@icloud.com>


> On 19 Jul 2015, at 20:41, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
> Set the visible of the image to true and position it correctly :-)

Obvious really :-)

but I was storing the image in another stack until your comment.

Thanks

Terry




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jul 19 16:05:59 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 22:05:59 +0200
Subject: windowShape
In-Reply-To: <09A0B0A6-2940-4C60-989D-56841E61D224@icloud.com>
References: <F436AE98-17A8-454E-9EFA-C79B0D5A2C23@icloud.com>	<55ABFD77.6030904@economy-x-talk.com>
	<09A0B0A6-2940-4C60-989D-56841E61D224@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <55AC0327.9050206@economy-x-talk.com>

Obvious, but I can understand that you think this way, because sometimes 
you may want to use a window shape with a simple background colour or 
pattern. Btw you might want to set the cantSelect of the image to true 
after positioning it. That will save you some frustrations while 
building the interface of your stack.

--
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Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

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http://qery.us/3fi

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On 7/19/2015 21:52, Terence Heaford wrote:
>
>> On 19 Jul 2015, at 20:41, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>
>> Set the visible of the image to true and position it correctly :-)
>
> Obvious really :-)
>
> but I was storing the image in another stack until your comment.
>
> Thanks
>
> Terry
>
>
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 16:28:16 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 13:28:16 -0700
Subject: Totally Loopy
In-Reply-To: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
References: <55A8DE56.3090600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHysRYgcn+EbT2254d60J1QAsxX_RoUwj3ngj-+MNKe_Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

>  wait 4 ticks
>    animaSHun
> end animaSHun
>

This part is going to cause a nesting problem . . . the first invocation of
animaSHun never completes, then the second, and eventually you hit the
limits.

Try

   send animaSHun to me in 4 ti ks
> end animaSHun
>

also, as the others mention, all of your wait should be "with messages" so
that other things can happen

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Sun Jul 19 17:06:09 2015
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:06:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Improving "Bug Reports" feature of standalones
In-Reply-To: <55AA89FC.5000406@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1437146613353-4694032.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<55AA89FC.5000406@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1437339969428-4694087.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks Mark!



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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Jul 19 17:42:44 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:42:44 -0700
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <55ABE813.3080606@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
	<55ABC4AA.7000408@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7D688C6B-0EB8-4704-A6A1-1625B4593233@earthednet.org>
	<55ABE813.3080606@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <2E1755B8-B2FD-42D5-A225-647A7EF083B7@earthednet.org>

Mark:
The pixellation should show up on the steps you took. 

However, I don?t see it and another LiveCoder who downloaded it and played it on Windows 8 doesn?t see it. Lowering the screen resolution shows the effect, but that would show the entire window pixellated, and that isn?t what is shown on the image. Only the part that is snapshot?d shows the pixellation. It really stumps me. I?m wondering if there could be some kind of jpg difference between countries. I could understand possible font differences, but the problem is the snapshot area(s).

I?m wondering if there could be some timing problem, rarely seen, where the snapshot is taken before the underlying image is fully updated. The map image is a big one, with its size and location changed, but the data plot is just a group of lines and fields which is displayed, then snapshot?d.

Debugging this seems hopeless without being able to reproduce the effect, though.

At this stage,  unless there is something about Windows and ?png? files in Japan, perhaps with a different language, I don?t know how to debug it. It?s very hard to get students to give feedback, after the assignment is over and they are onto other things. Probably also unfair to ask them to participate in debugging. So, I only ask once.

One of my debugging strategies is to ask grad students at the UCSB geology dept. to try the program and I pay them $20 for feedback. I may try that strategy and if they see it, and I could get hold of their computer, something might pop out.

BTW: I put the apps and problem images on my web site at:
lhttp://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html <http://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html>

Very odd.
Bill

> On Jul 19, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I performed step 1 till 7. What are the steps to check if anything relevant is extremely pixelated?
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
> 
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
> 
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> 
> On 7/19/2015 19:09, William Prothero wrote:
>> Mark:
>> Thanks for looking at the app.
>> 
>> Instructions:
>> 1. launch app
>> 2. Click on ?Begin? button with option key down.
>> 3. At Welcome screen, click on ?Go To Map? button
>> 4. At Map screen, select ?Quakes? form the dropdown labeled ?Select data to be plotted?
>> 5. Click on ?Save Map Image? (optional)
>> 6. Click on the ?+? magnifier button, move the mouse over the map, and then click. The magnifier symbol should move with the mouse.
>> 7. Make an elevation plot by first clicking on the ?Make A Profile? checkbox, then drag the mouse across a segment of the map image.
>> 
>> The snapshot is taken whenever the map screen changes. Symbol data are drawn into the snapshot image data. The map is a very large jpeg, which is reduced, then the snapshot is taken. When the map is magnified (by increments of a factor of 2), or moved, a new snapshot is taken.
>> 
>> It appears that the pixellation occurs at the snapshot step. There is a region below the map (initially grey) that holds the data plots. This plot is created by creating the various graphic elements (fields, boxes, lines), then a snapshot taken, and then the plot elements deleted. The plot image is then the snapshot. This was also shown as pixellated (by the student with the problem), so I think it is most likely a snapshot problem.
>> 
>> Thanks so much for looking at this, Mark!! I have not been able to duplicate this problem on my Parallels hosted Windows 8.1 system.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bill,
>>> 
>>> I had a look at your app. There is no "export snapshot" button or menu item. Please, provide instructions as brief as possible.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark Schonewille
>>> 
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>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>> KvK: 50277553
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>> 
>> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Jul 19 17:53:26 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 11:53:26 -1000
Subject: windowShape
In-Reply-To: <09A0B0A6-2940-4C60-989D-56841E61D224@icloud.com>
References: <F436AE98-17A8-454E-9EFA-C79B0D5A2C23@icloud.com>
	<55ABFD77.6030904@economy-x-talk.com>
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You can reference an image in a substack for example, and in addition to setting the windowShape of the stack to the ID of the image, set the backPattern of the card of your mainstack to the same image ID.  You don?t need to worry about aligning/positioning images, and you will likely get better blending at the edges of the window. 

If you have any variable translucency in your source image, you?ll need to play with the backColor of the stack as this can ?show through? the translucency of the card.

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

> On Jul 19, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 19 Jul 2015, at 20:41, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Set the visible of the image to true and position it correctly :-)
> 
> Obvious really :-)
> 
> but I was storing the image in another stack until your comment.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Terry
> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jul 19 18:23:46 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 00:23:46 +0200
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
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_Where_ and _when_ should the pixelation show up exactly?

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On 7/19/2015 23:42, William Prothero wrote:
> Mark:
> The pixellation should show up on the steps you took.
>
> However, I don?t see it and another LiveCoder who downloaded it and played it on Windows 8 doesn?t see it. Lowering the screen resolution shows the effect, but that would show the entire window pixellated, and that isn?t what is shown on the image. Only the part that is snapshot?d shows the pixellation. It really stumps me. I?m wondering if there could be some kind of jpg difference between countries. I could understand possible font differences, but the problem is the snapshot area(s).
>
> I?m wondering if there could be some timing problem, rarely seen, where the snapshot is taken before the underlying image is fully updated. The map image is a big one, with its size and location changed, but the data plot is just a group of lines and fields which is displayed, then snapshot?d.
>
> Debugging this seems hopeless without being able to reproduce the effect, though.
>
> At this stage,  unless there is something about Windows and ?png? files in Japan, perhaps with a different language, I don?t know how to debug it. It?s very hard to get students to give feedback, after the assignment is over and they are onto other things. Probably also unfair to ask them to participate in debugging. So, I only ask once.
>
> One of my debugging strategies is to ask grad students at the UCSB geology dept. to try the program and I pay them $20 for feedback. I may try that strategy and if they see it, and I could get hold of their computer, something might pop out.
>
> BTW: I put the apps and problem images on my web site at:
> lhttp://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html <http://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html>
>
> Very odd.
> Bill
>
>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I performed step 1 till 7. What are the steps to check if anything relevant is extremely pixelated?
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>> http://qery.us/468
>>
>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>
>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>
>> On 7/19/2015 19:09, William Prothero wrote:
>>> Mark:
>>> Thanks for looking at the app.
>>>
>>> Instructions:
>>> 1. launch app
>>> 2. Click on ?Begin? button with option key down.
>>> 3. At Welcome screen, click on ?Go To Map? button
>>> 4. At Map screen, select ?Quakes? form the dropdown labeled ?Select data to be plotted?
>>> 5. Click on ?Save Map Image? (optional)
>>> 6. Click on the ?+? magnifier button, move the mouse over the map, and then click. The magnifier symbol should move with the mouse.
>>> 7. Make an elevation plot by first clicking on the ?Make A Profile? checkbox, then drag the mouse across a segment of the map image.
>>>
>>> The snapshot is taken whenever the map screen changes. Symbol data are drawn into the snapshot image data. The map is a very large jpeg, which is reduced, then the snapshot is taken. When the map is magnified (by increments of a factor of 2), or moved, a new snapshot is taken.
>>>
>>> It appears that the pixellation occurs at the snapshot step. There is a region below the map (initially grey) that holds the data plots. This plot is created by creating the various graphic elements (fields, boxes, lines), then a snapshot taken, and then the plot elements deleted. The plot image is then the snapshot. This was also shown as pixellated (by the student with the problem), so I think it is most likely a snapshot problem.
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for looking at this, Mark!! I have not been able to duplicate this problem on my Parallels hosted Windows 8.1 system.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I had a look at your app. There is no "export snapshot" button or menu item. Please, provide instructions as brief as possible.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>
>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>
>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>
>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>
>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Jul 19 18:43:00 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 15:43:00 -0700
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <55AC2372.6000104@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
	<55ABC4AA.7000408@economy-x-talk.com>
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	<55ABE813.3080606@economy-x-talk.com>
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Mark:
Keeping in mind that the info I got was from my teacher/collaborator, Sabina Thomas, and her info was during an online video chat with one of her students in Japan, what I understand is that the pixellation showed up after opening the MAP part of the application, doing a profile plot, then plotting Quakes from the ?Select Data To Be Plotted? dropdown menu. That?s the information I have.

I hope you don?t waste too much time on this because there is so little available information to help in debugging the situation. At this point, my solution is to try to get as many folks as possible to try it on Win8, and if the problem occurs again, beg, pay, whatever to get them to provide more detailed information about their computer and its settings. I think if you have any hunches or WIn8 idiosyncrasy info that could affect this, I could explore that further, but ?..

I?m reluctant to bug Sabina?s student further about this. BUT, I am wondering if there is an app she might download that could send me information about her computer, that would help. Just thinking aloud. She might be willing to do that.

Thanks for looking at this. I really appreciate it. 
Best,
Bill

> On Jul 19, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
> _Where_ and _when_ should the pixelation show up exactly?
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
> 
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
> 
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> 
> On 7/19/2015 23:42, William Prothero wrote:
>> Mark:
>> The pixellation should show up on the steps you took.
>> 
>> However, I don?t see it and another LiveCoder who downloaded it and played it on Windows 8 doesn?t see it. Lowering the screen resolution shows the effect, but that would show the entire window pixellated, and that isn?t what is shown on the image. Only the part that is snapshot?d shows the pixellation. It really stumps me. I?m wondering if there could be some kind of jpg difference between countries. I could understand possible font differences, but the problem is the snapshot area(s).
>> 
>> I?m wondering if there could be some timing problem, rarely seen, where the snapshot is taken before the underlying image is fully updated. The map image is a big one, with its size and location changed, but the data plot is just a group of lines and fields which is displayed, then snapshot?d.
>> 
>> Debugging this seems hopeless without being able to reproduce the effect, though.
>> 
>> At this stage,  unless there is something about Windows and ?png? files in Japan, perhaps with a different language, I don?t know how to debug it. It?s very hard to get students to give feedback, after the assignment is over and they are onto other things. Probably also unfair to ask them to participate in debugging. So, I only ask once.
>> 
>> One of my debugging strategies is to ask grad students at the UCSB geology dept. to try the program and I pay them $20 for feedback. I may try that strategy and if they see it, and I could get hold of their computer, something might pop out.
>> 
>> BTW: I put the apps and problem images on my web site at:
>> lhttp://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html <http://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html>
>> 
>> Very odd.
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bill,
>>> 
>>> I performed step 1 till 7. What are the steps to check if anything relevant is extremely pixelated?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark Schonewille
>>> 
>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>> KvK: 50277553
>>> 
>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>> http://qery.us/468
>>> 
>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>> 
>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>> 
>>> On 7/19/2015 19:09, William Prothero wrote:
>>>> Mark:
>>>> Thanks for looking at the app.
>>>> 
>>>> Instructions:
>>>> 1. launch app
>>>> 2. Click on ?Begin? button with option key down.
>>>> 3. At Welcome screen, click on ?Go To Map? button
>>>> 4. At Map screen, select ?Quakes? form the dropdown labeled ?Select data to be plotted?
>>>> 5. Click on ?Save Map Image? (optional)
>>>> 6. Click on the ?+? magnifier button, move the mouse over the map, and then click. The magnifier symbol should move with the mouse.
>>>> 7. Make an elevation plot by first clicking on the ?Make A Profile? checkbox, then drag the mouse across a segment of the map image.
>>>> 
>>>> The snapshot is taken whenever the map screen changes. Symbol data are drawn into the snapshot image data. The map is a very large jpeg, which is reduced, then the snapshot is taken. When the map is magnified (by increments of a factor of 2), or moved, a new snapshot is taken.
>>>> 
>>>> It appears that the pixellation occurs at the snapshot step. There is a region below the map (initially grey) that holds the data plots. This plot is created by creating the various graphic elements (fields, boxes, lines), then a snapshot taken, and then the plot elements deleted. The plot image is then the snapshot. This was also shown as pixellated (by the student with the problem), so I think it is most likely a snapshot problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks so much for looking at this, Mark!! I have not been able to duplicate this problem on my Parallels hosted Windows 8.1 system.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had a look at your app. There is no "export snapshot" button or menu item. Please, provide instructions as brief as possible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>> 
>>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>> 
>>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>> 
>>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>> 
>>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jul 19 19:12:44 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 01:12:44 +0200
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
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References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>	<55ABC4AA.7000408@economy-x-talk.com>	<7D688C6B-0EB8-4704-A6A1-1625B4593233@earthednet.org>	<55ABE813.3080606@economy-x-talk.com>	<2E1755B8-B2FD-42D5-A225-647A7EF083B7@earthednet.org>	<55AC2372.6000104@economy-x-talk.com>
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Okay. With this info, I'm unable to see any pixelation.
I have tested the app on a 2.2 Ghz laptop with 4 GB built-in memory 
running Windows 8.1, i.e. nothing fancy and your students probably have 
a similar or better configuration. The sytem is Dutch.

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Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Installer Maker for LiveCode:
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Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

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On 7/20/2015 00:43, William Prothero wrote:
> Mark:
> Keeping in mind that the info I got was from my teacher/collaborator, Sabina Thomas, and her info was during an online video chat with one of her students in Japan, what I understand is that the pixellation showed up after opening the MAP part of the application, doing a profile plot, then plotting Quakes from the ?Select Data To Be Plotted? dropdown menu. That?s the information I have.
>
> I hope you don?t waste too much time on this because there is so little available information to help in debugging the situation. At this point, my solution is to try to get as many folks as possible to try it on Win8, and if the problem occurs again, beg, pay, whatever to get them to provide more detailed information about their computer and its settings. I think if you have any hunches or WIn8 idiosyncrasy info that could affect this, I could explore that further, but ?..
>
> I?m reluctant to bug Sabina?s student further about this. BUT, I am wondering if there is an app she might download that could send me information about her computer, that would help. Just thinking aloud. She might be willing to do that.
>
> Thanks for looking at this. I really appreciate it.
> Best,
> Bill
>
>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>
>> _Where_ and _when_ should the pixelation show up exactly?
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>> http://qery.us/468
>>
>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>
>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>
>> On 7/19/2015 23:42, William Prothero wrote:
>>> Mark:
>>> The pixellation should show up on the steps you took.
>>>
>>> However, I don?t see it and another LiveCoder who downloaded it and played it on Windows 8 doesn?t see it. Lowering the screen resolution shows the effect, but that would show the entire window pixellated, and that isn?t what is shown on the image. Only the part that is snapshot?d shows the pixellation. It really stumps me. I?m wondering if there could be some kind of jpg difference between countries. I could understand possible font differences, but the problem is the snapshot area(s).
>>>
>>> I?m wondering if there could be some timing problem, rarely seen, where the snapshot is taken before the underlying image is fully updated. The map image is a big one, with its size and location changed, but the data plot is just a group of lines and fields which is displayed, then snapshot?d.
>>>
>>> Debugging this seems hopeless without being able to reproduce the effect, though.
>>>
>>> At this stage,  unless there is something about Windows and ?png? files in Japan, perhaps with a different language, I don?t know how to debug it. It?s very hard to get students to give feedback, after the assignment is over and they are onto other things. Probably also unfair to ask them to participate in debugging. So, I only ask once.
>>>
>>> One of my debugging strategies is to ask grad students at the UCSB geology dept. to try the program and I pay them $20 for feedback. I may try that strategy and if they see it, and I could get hold of their computer, something might pop out.
>>>
>>> BTW: I put the apps and problem images on my web site at:
>>> lhttp://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html <http://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html>
>>>
>>> Very odd.
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I performed step 1 till 7. What are the steps to check if anything relevant is extremely pixelated?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>
>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>
>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>
>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>
>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>
>>>> On 7/19/2015 19:09, William Prothero wrote:
>>>>> Mark:
>>>>> Thanks for looking at the app.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instructions:
>>>>> 1. launch app
>>>>> 2. Click on ?Begin? button with option key down.
>>>>> 3. At Welcome screen, click on ?Go To Map? button
>>>>> 4. At Map screen, select ?Quakes? form the dropdown labeled ?Select data to be plotted?
>>>>> 5. Click on ?Save Map Image? (optional)
>>>>> 6. Click on the ?+? magnifier button, move the mouse over the map, and then click. The magnifier symbol should move with the mouse.
>>>>> 7. Make an elevation plot by first clicking on the ?Make A Profile? checkbox, then drag the mouse across a segment of the map image.
>>>>>
>>>>> The snapshot is taken whenever the map screen changes. Symbol data are drawn into the snapshot image data. The map is a very large jpeg, which is reduced, then the snapshot is taken. When the map is magnified (by increments of a factor of 2), or moved, a new snapshot is taken.
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears that the pixellation occurs at the snapshot step. There is a region below the map (initially grey) that holds the data plots. This plot is created by creating the various graphic elements (fields, boxes, lines), then a snapshot taken, and then the plot elements deleted. The plot image is then the snapshot. This was also shown as pixellated (by the student with the problem), so I think it is most likely a snapshot problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so much for looking at this, Mark!! I have not been able to duplicate this problem on my Parallels hosted Windows 8.1 system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a look at your app. There is no "export snapshot" button or menu item. Please, provide instructions as brief as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From tfabacher at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 22:26:58 2015
From: tfabacher at gmail.com (Todd Fabacher)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 06:26:58 +0400
Subject: windowShape
Message-ID: <CACjPeORrMxArjSdh8oGa1Ni0rSZ5xhxuAowBhWef12tFjjpKQA@mail.gmail.com>

I find the bast way to set and show an image in a windowShape is use
backgroundPattern.
This way you do not need to worry about the image moving or not filling the
screen. You can set it in the IDE or in code

set the backgroundPattern of *object* to {your* imageID*}

Hope that helps,

Todd Fabacher


Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 20:36:48 +0100
From: Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: windowShape
Message-ID: <F436AE98-17A8-454E-9EFA-C79B0D5A2C23 at icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I have been messing about with applying windowShape and although I can get
the shape to work it does not take the colour of the image.

Should it? and how do I do it please?

I have taken a screen shot of the window being used as a palette with the
original image beneath.

It can be seen here:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png

The original image is a png with alpha and shows as blue.

The palette window is grey.

How do I apply the blue colour of the image?

Thanks

Terry


From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Jul 19 23:10:29 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 20:10:29 -0700
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
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Mark:
Thanks for testing this. It does give me more confidence that it?s some oddity on the student?s computer.

FYI: I have bought your book (2 of ?em. I lost one)  and InstallerMaker (still haven?t gotten a license emailed, tho). The 3 days aren?t up, tho. Anyway, I?m looking forward to using it.

Best,
Bill

> On Jul 19, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
> Okay. With this info, I'm unable to see any pixelation.
> I have tested the app on a 2.2 Ghz laptop with 4 GB built-in memory running Windows 8.1, i.e. nothing fancy and your students probably have a similar or better configuration. The sytem is Dutch.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
> 
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
> 
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> 
> On 7/20/2015 00:43, William Prothero wrote:
>> Mark:
>> Keeping in mind that the info I got was from my teacher/collaborator, Sabina Thomas, and her info was during an online video chat with one of her students in Japan, what I understand is that the pixellation showed up after opening the MAP part of the application, doing a profile plot, then plotting Quakes from the ?Select Data To Be Plotted? dropdown menu. That?s the information I have.
>> 
>> I hope you don?t waste too much time on this because there is so little available information to help in debugging the situation. At this point, my solution is to try to get as many folks as possible to try it on Win8, and if the problem occurs again, beg, pay, whatever to get them to provide more detailed information about their computer and its settings. I think if you have any hunches or WIn8 idiosyncrasy info that could affect this, I could explore that further, but ?..
>> 
>> I?m reluctant to bug Sabina?s student further about this. BUT, I am wondering if there is an app she might download that could send me information about her computer, that would help. Just thinking aloud. She might be willing to do that.
>> 
>> Thanks for looking at this. I really appreciate it.
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> _Where_ and _when_ should the pixelation show up exactly?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark Schonewille
>>> 
>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>> KvK: 50277553
>>> 
>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>> http://qery.us/468
>>> 
>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>> 
>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>> 
>>> On 7/19/2015 23:42, William Prothero wrote:
>>>> Mark:
>>>> The pixellation should show up on the steps you took.
>>>> 
>>>> However, I don?t see it and another LiveCoder who downloaded it and played it on Windows 8 doesn?t see it. Lowering the screen resolution shows the effect, but that would show the entire window pixellated, and that isn?t what is shown on the image. Only the part that is snapshot?d shows the pixellation. It really stumps me. I?m wondering if there could be some kind of jpg difference between countries. I could understand possible font differences, but the problem is the snapshot area(s).
>>>> 
>>>> I?m wondering if there could be some timing problem, rarely seen, where the snapshot is taken before the underlying image is fully updated. The map image is a big one, with its size and location changed, but the data plot is just a group of lines and fields which is displayed, then snapshot?d.
>>>> 
>>>> Debugging this seems hopeless without being able to reproduce the effect, though.
>>>> 
>>>> At this stage,  unless there is something about Windows and ?png? files in Japan, perhaps with a different language, I don?t know how to debug it. It?s very hard to get students to give feedback, after the assignment is over and they are onto other things. Probably also unfair to ask them to participate in debugging. So, I only ask once.
>>>> 
>>>> One of my debugging strategies is to ask grad students at the UCSB geology dept. to try the program and I pay them $20 for feedback. I may try that strategy and if they see it, and I could get hold of their computer, something might pop out.
>>>> 
>>>> BTW: I put the apps and problem images on my web site at:
>>>> lhttp://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html <http://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html>
>>>> 
>>>> Very odd.
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I performed step 1 till 7. What are the steps to check if anything relevant is extremely pixelated?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>> 
>>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>> 
>>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>> 
>>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>> 
>>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/19/2015 19:09, William Prothero wrote:
>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>>> Thanks for looking at the app.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Instructions:
>>>>>> 1. launch app
>>>>>> 2. Click on ?Begin? button with option key down.
>>>>>> 3. At Welcome screen, click on ?Go To Map? button
>>>>>> 4. At Map screen, select ?Quakes? form the dropdown labeled ?Select data to be plotted?
>>>>>> 5. Click on ?Save Map Image? (optional)
>>>>>> 6. Click on the ?+? magnifier button, move the mouse over the map, and then click. The magnifier symbol should move with the mouse.
>>>>>> 7. Make an elevation plot by first clicking on the ?Make A Profile? checkbox, then drag the mouse across a segment of the map image.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The snapshot is taken whenever the map screen changes. Symbol data are drawn into the snapshot image data. The map is a very large jpeg, which is reduced, then the snapshot is taken. When the map is magnified (by increments of a factor of 2), or moved, a new snapshot is taken.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It appears that the pixellation occurs at the snapshot step. There is a region below the map (initially grey) that holds the data plots. This plot is created by creating the various graphic elements (fields, boxes, lines), then a snapshot taken, and then the plot elements deleted. The plot image is then the snapshot. This was also shown as pixellated (by the student with the problem), so I think it is most likely a snapshot problem.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks so much for looking at this, Mark!! I have not been able to duplicate this problem on my Parallels hosted Windows 8.1 system.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I had a look at your app. There is no "export snapshot" button or menu item. Please, provide instructions as brief as possible.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 23:17:39 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 23:17:39 -0400
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>

On Jul 19, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> Not sure if this is what you're seeing, but if you are using tab to enter
> the next field, then using arrow keys to navigate up and down, it doesn't
> work. (6.7.6) When you tab into a list field, the hilite remains, but there
> is no selection in the field. IE no insertion point, so the arrow keys
> don't work.

Not using tab to select into the field. Clicking on the line, it gets selected, then arrowkey does nothing.

> I've found that if you select the hilited line as you tab into the field it
> solves this problem.
> 
> If this is the problem you are seeing, clicking a line in the recalcitrant
> field should make the arrow keys start working, because the click selects a
> line.
> 
> Another direction to solve it would be to catch the arrowkey message in the
> field, and if there is a hilite, but no lines selected, select the hilited
> line then pass arrowkey. If there are no lines selected, and no hilites,
> select and hilite the first line.  If I understand correctly, the second
> part should only be necessary if you have toggle hilites turned on.
> (because otherwise when you tab into the field, a line is selected.)

There is a line selected. If I put the following into the field script:

on arrowkey
   put the hilitedlines
end arrowkey

then click in the field to select a line, then hit up- or down-arrowkey, nothing happens. The field is apparently not getting the arrowkey message. It's acting as though the traversalon of the field is false, but it's not.

> I just noticed another interesting thing (Still in 6.7.6)
> 
> Selecting "click to toggle" in the inspector puts a checkmark into
> mutli-line and non-contiguous (as it should?) but clicking away and coming
> back to the object, only click to toggle is still selected.

toggleHilites, mulitpleHilite, and noncontiguousHilites are all false.

> Oh, and final note on this, if you have multiline non-contiguous selected
> you'd have to account for that too.
> 
> Check the focused object when the arrow keys aren't working. If the correct
> field is focused, check the selectedline to see if there is one. If not,
> the arrow keys fail to work.

if I put this into the card script:

on arrowkey what
   put the short name of the focusedobject
   pass arrowkey
end arrowkey

then click on a line in the list field, then hit up-arrowkey, I get

card id 1002

???

Having found that the focus is on the card, for reasons best known to the engine (certainly not to me), I have a workaround, by putting an "on arrowkey" handler into the card script and then hiliting the next/prev line of the field and duplicating the relevant portion of the field mouseUp handler in the card script -- but I don't know why I should have to do that. Why isn't the field getting the arrowkey message after I click on a line in the field??? That works fine in my other stack, with the list field having the same properties.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a list field in one stack that isn't behaving properly. List fields
>> are supposed to allow up and down arrowkeys to move the hilited line. From
>> the dictionary: "If a field's listBehavior property is set to true, and the
>> user clicks a line, the entire line is highlighted. The Up and Down arrow
>> keys move the selection up or down." I have a similar field in another
>> stack that works exactly as expected. The two fields both have their
>> listbehavior set to true -- in fact, AFAICS all their basic properties are
>> the same. I have no arrowkey handlers in any scripts in the misbehaving
>> stack.
>> 
>> Ideas?
>> 
>> -- Peter
>> 
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>> 
>> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 23:36:40 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 21:36:40 -0600
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqxHv4AJUJgGRJmsB4VDzTQS+Ha7F-KCfXFby2kWNG84A@mail.gmail.com>

Strange that its not actually taking focus when you click on it.  As far as
there being a selection, it's weird.  The tab thing I was mentioning
freaked me out. Focusing the object with tab worked (the focusedobject said
what I expected) but the arrow keys wouldn't work.  When checking the
selectedline, there was no selected line.  Actually clicking into the field
would then make the arrow keys work, and the selectedline showed correctly.

Seems to me that tabbing into a field (which correctly focuses on the
field) would let the arrowkeys work but apparently not.

Either way, glad you have a method figured out.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 19, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>
> > Not sure if this is what you're seeing, but if you are using tab to enter
> > the next field, then using arrow keys to navigate up and down, it doesn't
> > work. (6.7.6) When you tab into a list field, the hilite remains, but
> there
> > is no selection in the field. IE no insertion point, so the arrow keys
> > don't work.
>
> Not using tab to select into the field. Clicking on the line, it gets
> selected, then arrowkey does nothing.
>
> > I've found that if you select the hilited line as you tab into the field
> it
> > solves this problem.
> >
> > If this is the problem you are seeing, clicking a line in the
> recalcitrant
> > field should make the arrow keys start working, because the click
> selects a
> > line.
> >
> > Another direction to solve it would be to catch the arrowkey message in
> the
> > field, and if there is a hilite, but no lines selected, select the
> hilited
> > line then pass arrowkey. If there are no lines selected, and no hilites,
> > select and hilite the first line.  If I understand correctly, the second
> > part should only be necessary if you have toggle hilites turned on.
> > (because otherwise when you tab into the field, a line is selected.)
>
> There is a line selected. If I put the following into the field script:
>
> on arrowkey
>    put the hilitedlines
> end arrowkey
>
> then click in the field to select a line, then hit up- or down-arrowkey,
> nothing happens. The field is apparently not getting the arrowkey message.
> It's acting as though the traversalon of the field is false, but it's not.
>
> > I just noticed another interesting thing (Still in 6.7.6)
> >
> > Selecting "click to toggle" in the inspector puts a checkmark into
> > mutli-line and non-contiguous (as it should?) but clicking away and
> coming
> > back to the object, only click to toggle is still selected.
>
> toggleHilites, mulitpleHilite, and noncontiguousHilites are all false.
>
> > Oh, and final note on this, if you have multiline non-contiguous selected
> > you'd have to account for that too.
> >
> > Check the focused object when the arrow keys aren't working. If the
> correct
> > field is focused, check the selectedline to see if there is one. If not,
> > the arrow keys fail to work.
>
> if I put this into the card script:
>
> on arrowkey what
>    put the short name of the focusedobject
>    pass arrowkey
> end arrowkey
>
> then click on a line in the list field, then hit up-arrowkey, I get
>
> card id 1002
>
> ???
>
> Having found that the focus is on the card, for reasons best known to the
> engine (certainly not to me), I have a workaround, by putting an "on
> arrowkey" handler into the card script and then hiliting the next/prev line
> of the field and duplicating the relevant portion of the field mouseUp
> handler in the card script -- but I don't know why I should have to do
> that. Why isn't the field getting the arrowkey message after I click on a
> line in the field??? That works fine in my other stack, with the list field
> having the same properties.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
> > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a list field in one stack that isn't behaving properly. List
> fields
> >> are supposed to allow up and down arrowkeys to move the hilited line.
> From
> >> the dictionary: "If a field's listBehavior property is set to true, and
> the
> >> user clicks a line, the entire line is highlighted. The Up and Down
> arrow
> >> keys move the selection up or down." I have a similar field in another
> >> stack that works exactly as expected. The two fields both have their
> >> listbehavior set to true -- in fact, AFAICS all their basic properties
> are
> >> the same. I have no arrowkey handlers in any scripts in the misbehaving
> >> stack.
> >>
> >> Ideas?
> >>
> >> -- Peter
> >>
> >> Peter M. Brigham
> >> pmbrig at gmail.com
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
> >>
> >>
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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Mon Jul 20 02:20:59 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 07:20:59 +0100
Subject: windowShape
In-Reply-To: <1C9DC154-010F-4603-AAB4-9521396E20B6@tactilemedia.com>
References: <F436AE98-17A8-454E-9EFA-C79B0D5A2C23@icloud.com>
	<55ABFD77.6030904@economy-x-talk.com>
	<09A0B0A6-2940-4C60-989D-56841E61D224@icloud.com>
	<1C9DC154-010F-4603-AAB4-9521396E20B6@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <E3ACD896-8C90-4C20-A572-CB2E2133DDC9@icloud.com>

Thanks for your comments.

This seems the ideal way to do it allowing you to store your images in a central repository.

All the best

Terry


> On 19 Jul 2015, at 22:53, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
> You can reference an image in a substack for example, and in addition to setting the windowShape of the stack to the ID of the image, set the backPattern of the card of your mainstack to the same image ID.  You don?t need to worry about aligning/positioning images, and you will likely get better blending at the edges of the window. 
> 
> If you have any variable translucency in your source image, you?ll need to play with the backColor of the stack as this can ?show through? the translucency of the card.
> 
> 



> On 20 Jul 2015, at 03:26, Todd Fabacher <tfabacher at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I find the bast way to set and show an image in a windowShape is use
> backgroundPattern.
> This way you do not need to worry about the image moving or not filling the
> screen. You can set it in the IDE or in code
> 
> set the backgroundPattern of *object* to {your* imageID*}



From jbv at souslelogo.com  Mon Jul 20 05:04:23 2015
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 12:04:23 +0300
Subject: [semi OT] htaccess file question
In-Reply-To: <A731CA1B-C476-4DF6-9604-6660C840CB6D@m-r-d.de>
References: <14fd44c57736928cc120f4d212c2e4ab.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
	<A731CA1B-C476-4DF6-9604-6660C840CB6D@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <ec5252a7872c3b227c583241dfef69ba.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>

Hello Matthias

I have tried your suggestion in a new test directory
and it seems to work : any url ending with .irev now
triggers the corresponding script ending with .lc.

Thanks for your help.
jbv

> Hi jbv,
>
>
> try the following in your .htaccess file:
>
> RewriteEngine on
> RewriteRule ^(.*).irev$ $1.lc [L]
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>




From david at viral.academy  Mon Jul 20 09:40:50 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:40:50 +0100
Subject: Asynchronous Server Design
Message-ID: <CAGASioOKfkdxA0A=Wp-A+2fTbnSYHn6ORnu3kxrc4-SEhNE9mQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a question for any of you out there that know a thing or two about
synchronous vs asynchronous design:

   - Is it worth designing a Livecode server to use asynchronous calls to
   handlers rather than normal synchronous processing?

First off - the way this is going to be done will not use any io (file,
shell or internet / socket calls) - all the data is going to be in memory /
custom properties. This restricts the use case to simple sites for now -
but it suits the current purpose. This means we can use Livecode asynch
call / messaging features to the full.

The question is is there any point? Firstly, because messages come into the
server and are then immediately dispatched by the engine to event handlers
we craft. So is this all the asynchronicity needed?

Or are there some other tricks akin to the things node does if there are
long running processes. Say there is a handler:

command longRunningFibonacci someInput, someSocket
>   -- do something that takes a very long time
>   return a result
> end longRunningFibonacci


A browser fires off around 20 calls to the server to load a complex page,
and they all hit at once - so is there a design consideration for any long
running processes here - not just in terms of figure out a bette way t do
ti on the client, not with regard to the scripting of the server handler
above?

Does the fact that the engine is dispatching calls means we can forget
about this - or as I think is the case should I consider dispatching /
offloading to another process this long running task, and returning
something to the browser? If so do I keep the socket open, or ???


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 20 10:13:03 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 07:13:03 -0700
Subject: windowShape
In-Reply-To: <CACjPeORrMxArjSdh8oGa1Ni0rSZ5xhxuAowBhWef12tFjjpKQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACjPeORrMxArjSdh8oGa1Ni0rSZ5xhxuAowBhWef12tFjjpKQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AD01EF.1030108@fourthworld.com>

Todd Fabacher wrote:

 > I find the bast way to set and show an image in a windowShape is use
 > backgroundPattern.
 > This way you do not need to worry about the image moving or not
 > filling the screen. You can set it in the IDE or in code
 >
 > set the backgroundPattern of *object* to {your* imageID*}

If the object having its backgroundPattern set is the card or stack, 
proper alignment can depend on the specifics of the image.  For example, 
if the image has a mask inset from the image bounds, setting the 
backgroundPattern will cause the tiling to begin with the image's 
topLeft, which can result in a misaligned placement when it gets tiled 
within the object.

Using a separate object like a graphic would help, though for reasons I 
don't fully understand I've found no other method of displaying images 
that render as quickly button icons.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Mon Jul 20 10:54:26 2015
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 07:54:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: windowShape
In-Reply-To: <55AD01EF.1030108@fourthworld.com>
References: <F436AE98-17A8-454E-9EFA-C79B0D5A2C23@icloud.com>
	<CACjPeORrMxArjSdh8oGa1Ni0rSZ5xhxuAowBhWef12tFjjpKQA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AD01EF.1030108@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1437404066264-4694101.post@n4.nabble.com>

Another thing that can screw up windowShape is scaleFactor (or it used to,
haven't checked since the early 6.7's...) - make sure you have it at 1 or
else you get (or used to get) weird on-screen artefacts



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Jul 20 12:03:37 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 09:03:37 -0700
Subject: Asynchronous Server Design
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOKfkdxA0A=Wp-A+2fTbnSYHn6ORnu3kxrc4-SEhNE9mQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOKfkdxA0A=Wp-A+2fTbnSYHn6ORnu3kxrc4-SEhNE9mQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AD1BD9.8030509@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

 >    - Is it worth designing a Livecode server to use asynchronous
 > calls to handlers rather than normal synchronous processing?
 >
 > First off - the way this is going to be done will not use any io
 > (file, shell or internet / socket calls) - all the data is going
 > to be in memory / custom properties. This restricts the use case
 > to simple sites for now - but it suits the current purpose.
...
 > The question is is there any point?

Good question, because if there's no file I/O there would be no saving, 
and no saving implies the data is either static or unimportant.

If static there are many good solutions for that.

If unimportant it would seem difficult to justify the R&D time.


 > Firstly, because messages come into the server and are then
 > immediately dispatched by the engine to event handlers
 > we craft. So is this all the asynchronicity needed?
 >
 > Or are there some other tricks akin to the things node does if
 > there are long running processes. Say there is a handler:
 >
 > command longRunningFibonacci someInput, someSocket
 >>   -- do something that takes a very long time
 >>   return a result
 >> end longRunningFibonacci
 >
 >
 > A browser fires off around 20 calls to the server to load a complex
 > page, and they all hit at once

This is one of the nice conveniences of CGI:  it lets Apache handle most 
of the requests with no extra coding, since any CSS, JS, or image files 
probably aren't changing for each visitor, and Apache is pretty good at 
delivering static content.

And for the subset of requests that require special processing that 
would need LiveCode or some other custom programming, each request 
prompts Apache to create a new instance of the CGI app, providing 
concurrency with no additional programming required and only a 
relatively small additional cost in RAM and init time compared to system 
threads.

Long processes are different, though, since they can not only result in 
timeouts but also confuse the user accustomed to quick responses from 
servers:

 > - so is there a design consideration for any long running processes
 > here - not just in terms of figure out a bette way to do it on the
 > client, not with regard to the scripting of the server handler
 > above?

I have a couple of workgroup apps running as CGIs, and they support a 
few features which could take as long as 30 seconds if run as a single 
request.  I found this problematic for the user experience because we're 
not giving them any feedback while it's happening (in addition to 
timeouts), so I changed it to support paging.

Now the CGI includes an argument for the range of records the command 
will operate on.  The client first obtains the number of records from 
the server, divides them by a number that means only a hundred or so 
will be processed per batch, and then sends a series of requests to the 
server in which each request includes the range of records to operate 
on.  Now the client UI has regular periodic feedback letting the user 
know what's happening, and the socket never times out.


 > Does the fact that the engine is dispatching calls means we can forget
 > about this - or as I think is the case should I consider dispatching /
 > offloading to another process this long running task, and returning
 > something to the browser? If so do I keep the socket open, or ???

My understanding is that the dispatch command has no affect on blocking 
vs non-blocking; it's still blocking, akin to calling a handler inline.

The "send" command can give non-blocking behavior when the "in <time>" 
option is used, but for processor-intensive tasks it's of minimal value 
within a single LC instance because once the handler it calls is running 
all other processing stops until that handler completes.

In the absence of multithreading, this can be mitigated through 
multiprocessing. The engine appears to handle socket I/O in a 
non-blocking way when callbacks are used, so handing off CPU-intensive 
tasks to other LC instances would seem a reasonable way to let the main 
daemon focus on network I/O while leaving the heavy lifting to child 
processes.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 20 12:33:05 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 12:33:05 -0400
Subject: Asynchronous Server Design
In-Reply-To: <55AD1BD9.8030509@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGASioOKfkdxA0A=Wp-A+2fTbnSYHn6ORnu3kxrc4-SEhNE9mQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AD1BD9.8030509@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNYUcZSauFndPWRutJbJ6=Y4LnO7Yrzhe2=O=OYRZ0_dg@mail.gmail.com>

The main reason for doing things asynchronously are
1) to improve performance in a high-transaction environment
2) keep collisions to a minimum.

In your case, it does not appear that either is going to happen, so I
wouldn't bother.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> David Bovill wrote:
>
> >    - Is it worth designing a Livecode server to use asynchronous
> > calls to handlers rather than normal synchronous processing?
> >
> > First off - the way this is going to be done will not use any io
> > (file, shell or internet / socket calls) - all the data is going
> > to be in memory / custom properties. This restricts the use case
> > to simple sites for now - but it suits the current purpose.
> ...
> > The question is is there any point?
>
> Good question, because if there's no file I/O there would be no saving,
> and no saving implies the data is either static or unimportant.
>
> If static there are many good solutions for that.
>
> If unimportant it would seem difficult to justify the R&D time.
>
>
> > Firstly, because messages come into the server and are then
> > immediately dispatched by the engine to event handlers
> > we craft. So is this all the asynchronicity needed?
> >
> > Or are there some other tricks akin to the things node does if
> > there are long running processes. Say there is a handler:
> >
> > command longRunningFibonacci someInput, someSocket
> >>   -- do something that takes a very long time
> >>   return a result
> >> end longRunningFibonacci
> >
> >
> > A browser fires off around 20 calls to the server to load a complex
> > page, and they all hit at once
>
> This is one of the nice conveniences of CGI:  it lets Apache handle most
> of the requests with no extra coding, since any CSS, JS, or image files
> probably aren't changing for each visitor, and Apache is pretty good at
> delivering static content.
>
> And for the subset of requests that require special processing that would
> need LiveCode or some other custom programming, each request prompts Apache
> to create a new instance of the CGI app, providing concurrency with no
> additional programming required and only a relatively small additional cost
> in RAM and init time compared to system threads.
>
> Long processes are different, though, since they can not only result in
> timeouts but also confuse the user accustomed to quick responses from
> servers:
>
> > - so is there a design consideration for any long running processes
> > here - not just in terms of figure out a bette way to do it on the
> > client, not with regard to the scripting of the server handler
> > above?
>
> I have a couple of workgroup apps running as CGIs, and they support a few
> features which could take as long as 30 seconds if run as a single
> request.  I found this problematic for the user experience because we're
> not giving them any feedback while it's happening (in addition to
> timeouts), so I changed it to support paging.
>
> Now the CGI includes an argument for the range of records the command will
> operate on.  The client first obtains the number of records from the
> server, divides them by a number that means only a hundred or so will be
> processed per batch, and then sends a series of requests to the server in
> which each request includes the range of records to operate on.  Now the
> client UI has regular periodic feedback letting the user know what's
> happening, and the socket never times out.
>
>
> > Does the fact that the engine is dispatching calls means we can forget
> > about this - or as I think is the case should I consider dispatching /
> > offloading to another process this long running task, and returning
> > something to the browser? If so do I keep the socket open, or ???
>
> My understanding is that the dispatch command has no affect on blocking vs
> non-blocking; it's still blocking, akin to calling a handler inline.
>
> The "send" command can give non-blocking behavior when the "in <time>"
> option is used, but for processor-intensive tasks it's of minimal value
> within a single LC instance because once the handler it calls is running
> all other processing stops until that handler completes.
>
> In the absence of multithreading, this can be mitigated through
> multiprocessing. The engine appears to handle socket I/O in a non-blocking
> way when callbacks are used, so handing off CPU-intensive tasks to other LC
> instances would seem a reasonable way to let the main daemon focus on
> network I/O while leaving the heavy lifting to child processes.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
>
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And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 20 13:28:18 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:28:18 -0400
Subject: [off] kotican acquired by fanduel
Message-ID: <CADCoycOR-Ci5XojguvKqi4cGNc87a5pCis6VR-FWytaUP2OO6g@mail.gmail.com>

i see that mobile app developer kotican was just acquired by fanduel.  I
also see that kotican is based in Edinburgh.  Question: are they using LC?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 20 14:14:43 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:14:43 -0500
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/19/2015 10:17 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
>
> There is a line selected. If I put the following into the field script:
>
> on arrowkey
>     put the hilitedlines
> end arrowkey
>
> then click in the field to select a line, then hit up- or
> down-arrowkey, nothing happens. The field is apparently not getting the
> arrowkey message. It's acting as though the traversalon of the field is
> false, but it's not.


What do you get if you put this into the field script:

on mouseUp
  put the hilitedlines of me
end mouseUp

BTW, I think your arrowkey test needs "of the target". Hilitedlines 
without an object reference is probably always empty.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 14:47:59 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:47:59 -0400
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately, I still get nothing with "the hilitedlines of me" in the
field script. The arrowkey message is not going to the field.

Here's the arrowkey handler in the card script. This works fine but I don't
know why it should be necessary.

on arrowkey what
   put hilitedline of fld "notesList" into lineNbr
   put the number of lines of fld "notesList" into totNbr
   switch what
      case "left"
      case "right"
         pass arrowkey
         break
      case "up"
         if lineNbr = 1 then
            put totNbr into nextLineNbr
         else
            put lineNbr - 1 into nextLineNbr
         end if
         break
      case "down"
         if lineNbr = nextLineNbr then
            put 1 into nextLineNbr
         else
            put lineNbr + 1 into nextLineNbr
         end if
         break
   end switch
   set the hilitedline of fld "notesList" to nextLineNbr
   put line nextLineNbr of fld "notesList" into listEntry
   put getItem(listEntry, 1, tab) into noteTitle
   displayNote noteTitle
   pass arrowkey
end arrowkey

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:14 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 7/19/2015 10:17 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
>
>>
>> There is a line selected. If I put the following into the field script:
>>
>> on arrowkey
>>     put the hilitedlines
>> end arrowkey
>>
>> then click in the field to select a line, then hit up- or
>> down-arrowkey, nothing happens. The field is apparently not getting the
>> arrowkey message. It's acting as though the traversalon of the field is
>> false, but it's not.
>>
>
>
> What do you get if you put this into the field script:
>
> on mouseUp
>  put the hilitedlines of me
> end mouseUp
>
> BTW, I think your arrowkey test needs "of the target". Hilitedlines
> without an object reference is probably always empty.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Jul 20 14:58:12 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 18:58:12 +0000
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNFOksWSRY_+Fr88XKhXO=HVP4iepehHGKm7TchdUE60Q@mail.gmail.com>

It's pretty clear LC doesn't think the list field has focus not sure why
that would be.  Maybe a "focus on me" from the list field's
selectionChanged handler would help?

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:48 AM Peter Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, I still get nothing with "the hilitedlines of me" in the
> field script. The arrowkey message is not going to the field.
>
> Here's the arrowkey handler in the card script. This works fine but I don't
> know why it should be necessary.
>
> on arrowkey what
>    put hilitedline of fld "notesList" into lineNbr
>    put the number of lines of fld "notesList" into totNbr
>    switch what
>       case "left"
>       case "right"
>          pass arrowkey
>          break
>       case "up"
>          if lineNbr = 1 then
>             put totNbr into nextLineNbr
>          else
>             put lineNbr - 1 into nextLineNbr
>          end if
>          break
>       case "down"
>          if lineNbr = nextLineNbr then
>             put 1 into nextLineNbr
>          else
>             put lineNbr + 1 into nextLineNbr
>          end if
>          break
>    end switch
>    set the hilitedline of fld "notesList" to nextLineNbr
>    put line nextLineNbr of fld "notesList" into listEntry
>    put getItem(listEntry, 1, tab) into noteTitle
>    displayNote noteTitle
>    pass arrowkey
> end arrowkey
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:14 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On 7/19/2015 10:17 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> There is a line selected. If I put the following into the field script:
> >>
> >> on arrowkey
> >>     put the hilitedlines
> >> end arrowkey
> >>
> >> then click in the field to select a line, then hit up- or
> >> down-arrowkey, nothing happens. The field is apparently not getting the
> >> arrowkey message. It's acting as though the traversalon of the field is
> >> false, but it's not.
> >>
> >
> >
> > What do you get if you put this into the field script:
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >  put the hilitedlines of me
> > end mouseUp
> >
> > BTW, I think your arrowkey test needs "of the target". Hilitedlines
> > without an object reference is probably always empty.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Jul 20 15:14:07 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:14:07 -0500
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AD487F.5040306@hyperactivesw.com>

But did you try a mouseUp handler? I'm curious if the field is 
recognized in any way.

On 7/20/2015 1:47 PM, Peter Brigham wrote:
> Unfortunately, I still get nothing with "the hilitedlines of me" in the
> field script. The arrowkey message is not going to the field.
>
> Here's the arrowkey handler in the card script. This works fine but I don't
> know why it should be necessary.
>
> on arrowkey what
>     put hilitedline of fld "notesList" into lineNbr
>     put the number of lines of fld "notesList" into totNbr
>     switch what
>        case "left"
>        case "right"
>           pass arrowkey
>           break
>        case "up"
>           if lineNbr = 1 then
>              put totNbr into nextLineNbr
>           else
>              put lineNbr - 1 into nextLineNbr
>           end if
>           break
>        case "down"
>           if lineNbr = nextLineNbr then
>              put 1 into nextLineNbr
>           else
>              put lineNbr + 1 into nextLineNbr
>           end if
>           break
>     end switch
>     set the hilitedline of fld "notesList" to nextLineNbr
>     put line nextLineNbr of fld "notesList" into listEntry
>     put getItem(listEntry, 1, tab) into noteTitle
>     displayNote noteTitle
>     pass arrowkey
> end arrowkey
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:14 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/19/2015 10:17 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There is a line selected. If I put the following into the field script:
>>>
>>> on arrowkey
>>>      put the hilitedlines
>>> end arrowkey
>>>
>>> then click in the field to select a line, then hit up- or
>>> down-arrowkey, nothing happens. The field is apparently not getting the
>>> arrowkey message. It's acting as though the traversalon of the field is
>>> false, but it's not.
>>>
>>
>>
>> What do you get if you put this into the field script:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put the hilitedlines of me
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> BTW, I think your arrowkey test needs "of the target". Hilitedlines
>> without an object reference is probably always empty.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 20 19:21:24 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 19:21:24 -0400
Subject: Visual Studio, anyone?
Message-ID: <CADCoycPLSyvZdTKECRx9TEpQ2uJxiMCDc_tVjW2Ln7zvmx3E6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I see that I have been under a rock for too long.  Visual Studio now
supports all platforms, and seems to run on all platforms???  Has anybody
tried it, recently?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 02:07:55 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:07:55 +0800
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjfga4Fqkg7g4Tm1vvJ232PukFeECQgLgLDYqGBzYpMkg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Having found that the focus is on the card, for reasons best known to the
> engine (certainly not to me),
>

What does the Message Watcher say? If on clicking on a line in the fld
fires a salvo of messages, somewhere - frontscript, backscript, card or
stack script a handler is being fired that sends the focus elsewhere;
apparently the card.

Do a global script search for 'go', 'send', 'select' and 'focus'. There are
probably other ways to remove the focus but those come readily to mind.


From ebeugelaar at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 02:44:34 2015
From: ebeugelaar at gmail.com (Erik Beugelaar)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:44:34 +0200
Subject: Visual Studio, anyone?
Message-ID: <udpv2u9a0p3ib7ctwdvpypkx.1437460947806@email.android.com>

It seems to be true...
And native mobile apps too via Cordova.
Hmm, i have a MS background and now i m really thinking to switch back to Visual Studio with C# and HTML/JavaScript. It is still the best IDE ever in my opinion.


Verstuurd vanaf mijn Cubot X6.

 Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

>Well, I see that I have been under a rock for too long.  Visual Studio now
>supports all platforms, and seems to run on all platforms???  Has anybody
>tried it, recently?
>
>-- 
>On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>On the second day, God created the oceans.
>On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
>And God said, "This is good."
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 05:50:46 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:50:46 +0800
Subject: Visual Studio, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPLSyvZdTKECRx9TEpQ2uJxiMCDc_tVjW2Ln7zvmx3E6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPLSyvZdTKECRx9TEpQ2uJxiMCDc_tVjW2Ln7zvmx3E6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjqXNGV6n=E5U6VcNhN4w1L3P1zpGfjPURauNu5WGBG6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Visual Studio now
> supports all platforms, and seems to run on all platforms???
>

Not sure where you're reading that. This website:

https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs

Indicates that only "applications for Windows, Android and iOS" can be
made* and checking the Features link indicates it only runs on Windows.

Against my better judgement I downloaded it and unsurprisingly it didn't
run on my non-MS computer.

*I don't count 'web applications' as fulfilling the definition of a cross
platform development tool that 'supports all platforms, and runs on all
platforms.'


From david at viral.academy  Tue Jul 21 07:23:01 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:23:01 +0100
Subject: Asynchronous Server Design
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNYUcZSauFndPWRutJbJ6=Y4LnO7Yrzhe2=O=OYRZ0_dg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOKfkdxA0A=Wp-A+2fTbnSYHn6ORnu3kxrc4-SEhNE9mQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AD1BD9.8030509@fourthworld.com>
	<CADCoycNYUcZSauFndPWRutJbJ6=Y4LnO7Yrzhe2=O=OYRZ0_dg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioO_ObQ0fT28j2WPgMHk5yrNGUHPVfkQRjiq6uyPwcgSCw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mike / Richard. Brief comments below:

On 20 July 2015 at 17:33, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> The main reason for doing things asynchronously are
> 1) to improve performance in a high-transaction environment
> 2) keep collisions to a minimum.
>
> In your case, it does not appear that either is going to happen, so I
> wouldn't bother.


I'm not so sure. Say I want to serve up impromptu content at a conference
behind a LAN - there may be anywhere from 30 people in a class to hundreds
of people wanting to interact with the content at the same time.

The idea is that the static content will be loaded into custom properties,
and any new authored content will either be stored as custom props or
exported to disk. Putting the stack on a USB will give people the entire
site.

I'd like to know more about collisions - you mean multiple request for the
same resource could get the innards of the handler routing clobbered?




> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Richard Gaskin <
> ambassador at fourthworld.com
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > If static there are many good solutions for that.
>

Requirements:

   1. Server in a file
   2. Zero installation - click and run
   3. Custom standalone servers if needed
   4. Simple flexible scripting - create your own routes in Livecode stack
   and drop them in
   5. Authoring portability - work in groups on a site then distribute a
   single (stack / array / json) file that contains everything you need to run
   / view site at home.
   6. Clean uninstall - delete file from laptop
   7. Cross platform

My need came out of wishing to script server access to p2p file systems,
and to distribute this to a bunch of researchers (some non-technical)
across the internet. I also want to get this up and running in forthcoming
conferences on a presenters laptop (not necessarily my own).

Are there any similar things out there - would love to take a look. not
quite sure what to search for :)

> This is one of the nice conveniences of CGI:  it lets Apache handle most
> of the requests with no extra coding, since any CSS, JS, or image files
> probably aren't changing for each visitor, and Apache is pretty good at
> delivering static content.

Yes - but I'm not going to use Apache for this. Its' a big ugly beast.

> > - so is there a design consideration for any long running processes
> > here - not just in terms of figure out a bette way to do it on the
> > client, not with regard to the scripting of the server handler
> > above?
>
> I have a couple of workgroup apps running as CGIs, and they support a few
> features which could take as long as 30 seconds if run as a single
> request.  I found this problematic for the user experience because we're
> not giving them any feedback while it's happening (in addition to
> timeouts), so I changed it to support paging.
>
> Now the CGI includes an argument for the range of records the command will
> operate on.  The client first obtains the number of records from the
> server, divides them by a number that means only a hundred or so will be
> processed per batch, and then sends a series of requests to the server in
> which each request includes the range of records to operate on.  Now the
> client UI has regular periodic feedback letting the user know what's
> happening, and the socket never times out.

Splitting a long process into pieces or paging is a good strategy.

> My understanding is that the dispatch command has no affect on blocking vs
> non-blocking; it's still blocking, akin to calling a handler inline.

Interesting - I remember testing it ages ago and it seemed to work like
send in time?

> The "send" command can give non-blocking behavior when the "in <time>"
> option is used, but for processor-intensive tasks it's of minimal value
> within a single LC instance because once the handler it calls is running
> all other processing stops until that handler completes.

My understanding is that this may still be useful. send-in-time can allow
the server to send back a message over the open socket to the client - so
the client does not hang there. Yes then subsequent calls may block (I'm
not sure this is the case). But it is still useful?

> In the absence of multithreading, this can be mitigated through
> multiprocessing. The engine appears to handle socket I/O in a non-blocking
> way when callbacks are used, so handing off CPU-intensive tasks to other
LC
> instances would seem a reasonable way to let the main daemon focus on
> network I/O while leaving the heavy lifting to child processes.

Yes that would be the next step. Once we can roll our own custom server
apps quickly and fast - we can explore getting them to dispatch stuff to
each other over UDP sockets etc. It's easy now, but becomes useful when we
have an authoring environment that includes a robust, fast, but limited
HTTP server.

I see then being able to test out stuff locally - then when things are
working script the deployment of servers and load balancing which include
these LiveCode standalone servers behind some more robust front end server.


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Jul 21 07:43:19 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:43:19 +0100
Subject: Problem downloading file to iPhone
Message-ID: <DUB114-W582899DE162A0BA7005F1EED840@phx.gbl>

on the desktop this works, no problem... the text is placed in fld 1
on mouseUp
   put "001.French|The_simple_words.txt" into thefilename
   put "http://www.xxxxxx.on-rev.com/xxxx/public_html/dixon/" & thefilename into theURL
   put URL theURL into temp
  put temp into fld 1
end mouseUp
How do I do the same in iOS... ? as the above won't work ... 		 	   		  

From neil at livecode.com  Tue Jul 21 07:49:57 2015
From: neil at livecode.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:49:57 +0100
Subject: Problem downloading file to iPhone
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W582899DE162A0BA7005F1EED840@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W582899DE162A0BA7005F1EED840@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <55AE31E5.80304@livecode.com>

Hi John,

iOS is very picky with URLs. Try URLEncoding the text file name and 
attempting the download again-

put urlEncode("001.French|The_simple_words.txt") into theFilename

Kind Regards,

Neil


	

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On 21/07/2015 12:43, John Dixon wrote:
> on the desktop this works, no problem... the text is placed in fld 1
> on mouseUp
>     put "001.French|The_simple_words.txt" into thefilename
>     put "http://www.xxxxxx.on-rev.com/xxxx/public_html/dixon/" & thefilename into theURL
>     put URL theURL into temp
>    put temp into fld 1
> end mouseUp
> How do I do the same in iOS... ? as the above won't work ... 		 	   		
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From jana.doughty at livecode.com  Tue Jul 21 07:51:16 2015
From: jana.doughty at livecode.com (Jana Doughty)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:51:16 +0200
Subject: How to Deploy Apps to Android Devices
Message-ID: <a563069945ec332dacd4f98a63823300.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>

Hi LiveCode Community,

Lots of you have asked about Android. Did you know you can deploy apps to
Android Devices and it takes just one click?

Here's how to do it and how to avoid errors in doing so:

http://livecode.com/how-to-deploy-apps-to-android-devices/

Enjoy!

Jana




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 21 08:37:01 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:37:01 -0400
Subject: Visual Studio, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjqXNGV6n=E5U6VcNhN4w1L3P1zpGfjPURauNu5WGBG6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPLSyvZdTKECRx9TEpQ2uJxiMCDc_tVjW2Ln7zvmx3E6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kjqXNGV6n=E5U6VcNhN4w1L3P1zpGfjPURauNu5WGBG6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOmY52BydGz4Y2Q1L=koD0NUqkX0JseOUNS=Y_BugReig@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, after I started messing around to see what was going on, it turns out
that the code editor piece can run on non MS but the visual editor only
runs on windoze.  I agree with you, a web app doesn't count.  Otherwise,
4D's silly claim that Wakanda lets you build mobile apps would be
reasonable.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Visual Studio now
> > supports all platforms, and seems to run on all platforms???
> >
>
> Not sure where you're reading that. This website:
>
> https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs
>
> Indicates that only "applications for Windows, Android and iOS" can be
> made* and checking the Features link indicates it only runs on Windows.
>
> Against my better judgement I downloaded it and unsurprisingly it didn't
> run on my non-MS computer.
>
> *I don't count 'web applications' as fulfilling the definition of a cross
> platform development tool that 'supports all platforms, and runs on all
> platforms.'
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From mark at livecode.com  Tue Jul 21 08:58:04 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:58:04 +0200
Subject: [BUG] HTMLText <H5> incorrectly converted
In-Reply-To: <55A6A20A.80607@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+uh5kgO2FZWkvJodo5Sc4vWc9YpTH2NQF+D9R6r2PnjgK5Tqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A6A20A.80607@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0cfec3b0389d80563ca7c8eb8c4e6e78@livecode.com>

> I doesn't go back to HyperCard, since HC had no native html
> capabilities. It does go back to MetaCard, and I vaguely recall some
> of the header level tags being italic back then. I suspect this was
> modelled on the most common browser interpretations at the time, which
> has changed quite a bit since then. It's been, what, 20 years?

Indeed - I think this is perhaps the most likely explanation.

As it turns out a very similar issue was reported recently with regard 
use of named colors and their RGB mappings (Bug 15621). The mapping the 
engine uses for those seems to have been defined relative to a specific 
UNIX terminal / display / X11 implementation which is not quite the same 
as what has become the 'defacto' X11 standard mappings (the X11 standard 
only ever gave informative values for them, rather than normative ones).

The solution in both cases is not to change the current mappings, but 
instead to (at some point) make the mappings configurable at runtime. Of 
course, the rub here is that this causes a global interoperability 
problem which is not (at this time) clear how to resolve. i.e. In the 
IDE you could be editing two 'applications' at once both of which want 
different settings. (Note that keying this at the stack level isn't 
necessarily correct as stacks can be used as libraries in different 
contexts - there needs to be some notion of 'project scope' which would 
arbitrate what mappings were used when).

In any case, I've updated both bug reports to reflect this - i.e. as an 
enhancement to allow these things to be configurable at runtime.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From andrew at ctech.me  Tue Jul 21 09:11:16 2015
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:11:16 +0000
Subject: Visual Studio, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOmY52BydGz4Y2Q1L=koD0NUqkX0JseOUNS=Y_BugReig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPLSyvZdTKECRx9TEpQ2uJxiMCDc_tVjW2Ln7zvmx3E6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kjqXNGV6n=E5U6VcNhN4w1L3P1zpGfjPURauNu5WGBG6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOmY52BydGz4Y2Q1L=koD0NUqkX0JseOUNS=Y_BugReig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft8wTdti+uO9cccRFncFg+JwMZGb9vCNW_7vAkDkEuB06Q@mail.gmail.com>

Visual Studio Code is a lightweight editor for os x, linux, and windows.

It's based on the technology used to make Atom editor and is meant to be a
cross-platform, lightweight editor geared towards node.js, typescript, and
the new ASP.NET cross-platform stuff.

The new ASP.net is a total rewrite of ASP from the ground up and can run on
linux and osx. So they needed an editor (not full blown IDE) on these
platforms geared specifically for it.

It also has git interface baked in like Atom.

Not a bad little editor for being MS and so new. The Javascript
intellisense is incredible and better than full blown visual studio imo.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:37 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Yes, after I started messing around to see what was going on, it turns out
> that the code editor piece can run on non MS but the visual editor only
> runs on windoze.  I agree with you, a web app doesn't count.  Otherwise,
> 4D's silly claim that Wakanda lets you build mobile apps would be
> reasonable.
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Visual Studio now
> > > supports all platforms, and seems to run on all platforms???
> > >
> >
> > Not sure where you're reading that. This website:
> >
> > https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs
> >
> > Indicates that only "applications for Windows, Android and iOS" can be
> > made* and checking the Features link indicates it only runs on Windows.
> >
> > Against my better judgement I downloaded it and unsurprisingly it didn't
> > run on my non-MS computer.
> >
> > *I don't count 'web applications' as fulfilling the definition of a cross
> > platform development tool that 'supports all platforms, and runs on all
> > platforms.'
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Tue Jul 21 09:38:48 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:38:48 -0400
Subject: How to Deploy Apps to Android Devices
In-Reply-To: <a563069945ec332dacd4f98a63823300.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
References: <a563069945ec332dacd4f98a63823300.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXOhRNObA99VAmCV3VDLs-1w_9V6cXLqCjNLw0OfQfBBxg@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent troubleshooting tips! Thank you Jana!


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Jana Doughty <jana.doughty at livecode.com>
wrote:

> Hi LiveCode Community,
>
> Lots of you have asked about Android. Did you know you can deploy apps to
> Android Devices and it takes just one click?
>
> Here's how to do it and how to avoid errors in doing so:
>
> http://livecode.com/how-to-deploy-apps-to-android-devices/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Jana
>
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 10:29:04 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 10:29:04 -0400
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <55AD487F.5040306@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AD487F.5040306@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D3F48B29-6865-4E59-A419-7FE8321A2E4F@gmail.com>

I *have* a mouseup handler in the field, and it works fine.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Jul 20, 2015, at 3:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> But did you try a mouseUp handler? I'm curious if the field is recognized in any way.
> 
> On 7/20/2015 1:47 PM, Peter Brigham wrote:
>> Unfortunately, I still get nothing with "the hilitedlines of me" in the
>> field script. The arrowkey message is not going to the field.
>> 
>> Here's the arrowkey handler in the card script. This works fine but I don't
>> know why it should be necessary.
>> 
>> on arrowkey what
>>    put hilitedline of fld "notesList" into lineNbr
>>    put the number of lines of fld "notesList" into totNbr
>>    switch what
>>       case "left"
>>       case "right"
>>          pass arrowkey
>>          break
>>       case "up"
>>          if lineNbr = 1 then
>>             put totNbr into nextLineNbr
>>          else
>>             put lineNbr - 1 into nextLineNbr
>>          end if
>>          break
>>       case "down"
>>          if lineNbr = nextLineNbr then
>>             put 1 into nextLineNbr
>>          else
>>             put lineNbr + 1 into nextLineNbr
>>          end if
>>          break
>>    end switch
>>    set the hilitedline of fld "notesList" to nextLineNbr
>>    put line nextLineNbr of fld "notesList" into listEntry
>>    put getItem(listEntry, 1, tab) into noteTitle
>>    displayNote noteTitle
>>    pass arrowkey
>> end arrowkey
>> 
>> -- Peter
>> 
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:14 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/19/2015 10:17 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There is a line selected. If I put the following into the field script:
>>>> 
>>>> on arrowkey
>>>>     put the hilitedlines
>>>> end arrowkey
>>>> 
>>>> then click in the field to select a line, then hit up- or
>>>> down-arrowkey, nothing happens. The field is apparently not getting the
>>>> arrowkey message. It's acting as though the traversalon of the field is
>>>> false, but it's not.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What do you get if you put this into the field script:
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>>  put the hilitedlines of me
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> BTW, I think your arrowkey test needs "of the target". Hilitedlines
>>> without an object reference is probably always empty.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 21 10:29:44 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:29:44 +0000
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>

Pardon my being late to the party, but I went to the web page and read up, but I still do not know what the ?Indy? version is. I don?t want to miss the pricing deadline, but I also don?t want to subscribe to something then find out it is less than I wanted. 

Bob S


> On Jul 1, 2015, at 15:50 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> Peter Haworth <pete at ...> writes:
> 
>> 
>> I'm assuming some folks out there got the same email as me regarding the
>> increase in Indy license pricing.
>> 
>> From that email, it seems that the Community Edition will no longer have
>> all the same features as the fee-based versions of Livecode.
>> 
>> Comments?
> 
> Been dealt with very nicely by Kevin:
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24729&start=15
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 21 10:31:17 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:31:17 +0000
Subject: mySql to sqLite conversion
In-Reply-To: <8531F302-060F-4EBD-A999-87EF696E318B@byu.edu>
References: <F9212A37-E2AA-42C5-9608-1A4F3038F8A1@iotecdigital.com>
	<8531F302-060F-4EBD-A999-87EF696E318B@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <9EDEA233-5C90-433C-8921-3795C6530E96@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Devin. 

Bob S


> On Jul 14, 2015, at 08:56 , Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I came across this: http://livecode.byu.edu/database/mysql-sqliteExport.php
>> 
>> Having a need to do this, I am wondering if this is done via a livecode stack, or some other way. If a livecode stack, is it something I can get access to? I am attempting an offline mode for my application as often I need to access my database in places that are strictly locked down. The idea would be to load a subset of the data I need before going onsite, then move that data to a temporary sqLite database, and sync back when I am done. 
> 
> Bob,
> 
> It?s just a description of the manual process I have used to export a database from MySQL and import it into SQLite, compiled for the benefit of my students when they were learning about online vs. local database management systems. It?s not perfect, and I have no doubt that others out there have come up with better, more automated ways to do it. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Office of Digital Humanities
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 21 10:33:45 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:33:45 +0000
Subject: Programatically complete an answer dialog ?
In-Reply-To: <45F53588-0F50-42FB-81E4-1B54ABCED749@gmail.com>
References: <45F53588-0F50-42FB-81E4-1B54ABCED749@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1C440B3A-017D-4DF3-81B8-3334FFD41E0F@iotecdigital.com>

Unless you get into the answer dialog stack and play around or craft your own, I don?t think so. The problem is, the answer dialog is a modal stack itself and no processing happens until you dismiss it. 

Bob S


> On Jul 14, 2015, at 17:23 , Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a stack which requests the user to enter some text into an answer dialog. I am trying to test that stack from another stack. Is there a way to programatically enter text into an answer dialog?
> 
> Another way of asking this question is: Is an answer dialog simply a stack? If so, does anybody know the name of the stack and the name of the text field? (I can guess the name of the button would be the label displayed on them).
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 10:38:11 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 10:38:11 -0400
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjfga4Fqkg7g4Tm1vvJ232PukFeECQgLgLDYqGBzYpMkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kjfga4Fqkg7g4Tm1vvJ232PukFeECQgLgLDYqGBzYpMkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <056CB424-6E15-494F-A66B-E2BF105DB67B@gmail.com>

On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:07 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Having found that the focus is on the card, for reasons best known to the
>> engine (certainly not to me),
>> 
> 
> What does the Message Watcher say? If on clicking on a line in the fld
> fires a salvo of messages, somewhere - frontscript, backscript, card or
> stack script a handler is being fired that sends the focus elsewhere;
> apparently the card.
> 
> Do a global script search for 'go', 'send', 'select' and 'focus'. There are
> probably other ways to remove the focus but those come readily to mind.

I don't see anything in my mouseup script that would change the focus:

on mouseup tBtn
   select empty
   -- putting "focus on me" here doesn't fix the problem
   put getGridCell() into g -- doesn't go to or select anything
   put item 1 of g into lineNbr
   put item 2 of g into colNbr
   if lineNbr = empty then
      exit mouseup
   else
      set the hilitedline of me to lineNbr
      -- this should put the focus in the field
   end if
   put line lineNbr of me into listEntry
   put getItem(listEntry, 1, tab) into noteTitle
   -- doesn't go to or select anything
   displayNote noteTitle
   -- fetches a customprop and puts it into the display field
   -- but this shouldn't move the focus
   -- putting "focus on me" here doesn't fix the problem
   if tBtn <> 3 then exit mouseup
   put popChoose("rename","delete") into u
   switch u
      case "rename"
         renameNote noteTitle
         break
      case "delete"
         answer "Are you sure you want to delete this note? This is not undo-able!" with "OK" or "whoops!" \
               as sheet
         if it is not "OK" then exit to top
         deleteNote lineNbr, noteTitle
         break
   end switch
end mouseup

I'll take a look at the messagewatcher when I get a chance.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 21 10:51:08 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:51:08 +0000
Subject: The width and height of a stack
In-Reply-To: <5D7967FE-E462-4A67-9416-217ACE55E0B5@livecode.org>
References: <FABD9A8E-0467-4026-B69F-12C2D892DFF1@iotecdigital.com>
	<C2452806-92E6-4874-8E71-42D5E3796AE4@iotecdigital.com>
	<169B274E-D88C-403A-9C42-40B9BC471DDC@iotecdigital.com>
	<5D7967FE-E462-4A67-9416-217ACE55E0B5@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <592188F8-DC8B-4AB2-AAFC-BEF454386350@iotecdigital.com>

I think I have a corrupted card. I noticed that when resizing the card some objects change their position. When I look at the object?s properties however, I am not using the geometry manager. I will probably try to re-create the card. 

Bob S


> On Jul 17, 2015, at 21:26 , Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
> Seems to be working fine here (including breakpoints) with LC 7.1.0 (dp1), LC 6.7.6, LC7.6.4 and LC 5.5.5 on OS X 10.10.4
> 
> Simple test stack is on DBx if it?s any use?
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3tu8fuja2oekfpp/Bob%20Script%20Test%205.livecode?dl=0
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:48, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Same thing with 6.7.6. I guess I can try a version of 7? I don?t think anything is going to change. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:32 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What is even weirder, is that if I set a breakpoint after the height or width statement in the openCard handler, whichever is first, the command completes and executes the first sizing statement but then the script crashes! If I put a breakpoint after the first sizing statement, it never reaches the breakpoint. 
>>> 
>>> I am going to try opening a copy of the stack in the latest 6.7 version and see what happens. 
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 19:26 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all. 
>>>> 
>>>> I have these two handlers in each of 3 cards of a stack:
>>>> 
>>>> on openCard
>>>> lock screen
>>>> 
>>>> -- set the size of the stack
>>>> set the width of this stack to the lastWidth of me
>>>> set the height of this stack to the lastHeight of me
>>>> set the loc of this stack to the lastLoc of me
>>>> end openCard
>>>> 
>>>> on closeCard
>>>> set the lastHeight of me to the height of this stack
>>>> set the lastWidth of me to the width of this stack
>>>> set the lastLoc of me to the loc of this stack
>>>> end closeCard
>>>> 
>>>> I check the properties and each have been updated fine for each card this is called from. However, the openCard handler, while it compiles fine, exits as soon as I try to set the width of the stack in the openStack handler. 
>>>> 
>>>> If I swap the width and height statements in the openCard handler, the height gets set but the width does not, but *ONLY* on this one card!!!!! Apparently I seem to be in some condition where the width of a stack is read only but only with this one card! Whaaaaaa?????
>>>> 
>>>> OS X 10.10.3    LC 6.7.2
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>> 
>> 
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> Regards,
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Jul 21 10:52:43 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:52:43 +0100
Subject: Problem downloading file to iPhone
In-Reply-To: <55AE31E5.80304@livecode.com>
References: <DUB114-W582899DE162A0BA7005F1EED840@phx.gbl>,
	<55AE31E5.80304@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W43770EB285C385D09E4B8BED840@phx.gbl>

Neil, 

Thanks, that did it ...:-)

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:49:57 +0100
> From: neil at livecode.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Problem downloading file to iPhone
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> iOS is very picky with URLs. Try URLEncoding the text file name and 
> attempting the download again-
> 
> put urlEncode("001.French|The_simple_words.txt") into theFilename
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Neil
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> LiveCode Technical Support Lead
> neil at livecode.com <mailto:neil at livecode.com>
> 
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> 
> 
> On 21/07/2015 12:43, John Dixon wrote:
> > on the desktop this works, no problem... the text is placed in fld 1
> > on mouseUp
> >     put "001.French|The_simple_words.txt" into thefilename
> >     put "http://www.xxxxxx.on-rev.com/xxxx/public_html/dixon/" & thefilename into theURL
> >     put URL theURL into temp
> >    put temp into fld 1
> > end mouseUp
> > How do I do the same in iOS... ? as the above won't work ... 		 	   		
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 21 10:54:30 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:54:30 +0000
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D32FF75A-CB36-43ED-AA19-A009C6D15442@iotecdigital.com>

I ran into this and just worked around it. 

Bob S


> On Jul 19, 2015, at 06:07 , Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a list field in one stack that isn't behaving properly. List fields are supposed to allow up and down arrowkeys to move the hilited line. From the dictionary: "If a field's listBehavior property is set to true, and the user clicks a line, the entire line is highlighted. The Up and Down arrow keys move the selection up or down." I have a similar field in another stack that works exactly as expected. The two fields both have their listbehavior set to true -- in fact, AFAICS all their basic properties are the same. I have no arrowkey handlers in any scripts in the misbehaving stack.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> -- Peter
> 
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 10:56:06 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:56:06 -0600
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <056CB424-6E15-494F-A66B-E2BF105DB67B@gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kjfga4Fqkg7g4Tm1vvJ232PukFeECQgLgLDYqGBzYpMkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<056CB424-6E15-494F-A66B-E2BF105DB67B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSr_h+QU+5bWiaC6ruufxDTiHsjtPSDHyd-8po39HN=B4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Having a line hilited isn't enough.  It seems you MUST have an insertion
point of some type.  Either select the line lineNbr, or if there is nothing
selected, set the selectedchunk to char 1 to 0 of me


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:07 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Having found that the focus is on the card, for reasons best known to
> the
> >> engine (certainly not to me),
> >>
> >
> > What does the Message Watcher say? If on clicking on a line in the fld
> > fires a salvo of messages, somewhere - frontscript, backscript, card or
> > stack script a handler is being fired that sends the focus elsewhere;
> > apparently the card.
> >
> > Do a global script search for 'go', 'send', 'select' and 'focus'. There
> are
> > probably other ways to remove the focus but those come readily to mind.
>
> I don't see anything in my mouseup script that would change the focus:
>
> on mouseup tBtn
>    select empty
>    -- putting "focus on me" here doesn't fix the problem
>    put getGridCell() into g -- doesn't go to or select anything
>    put item 1 of g into lineNbr
>    put item 2 of g into colNbr
>    if lineNbr = empty then
>       exit mouseup
>    else
>       set the hilitedline of me to lineNbr
>       -- this should put the focus in the field
>    end if
>    put line lineNbr of me into listEntry
>    put getItem(listEntry, 1, tab) into noteTitle
>    -- doesn't go to or select anything
>    displayNote noteTitle
>    -- fetches a customprop and puts it into the display field
>    -- but this shouldn't move the focus
>    -- putting "focus on me" here doesn't fix the problem
>    if tBtn <> 3 then exit mouseup
>    put popChoose("rename","delete") into u
>    switch u
>       case "rename"
>          renameNote noteTitle
>          break
>       case "delete"
>          answer "Are you sure you want to delete this note? This is not
> undo-able!" with "OK" or "whoops!" \
>                as sheet
>          if it is not "OK" then exit to top
>          deleteNote lineNbr, noteTitle
>          break
>    end switch
> end mouseup
>
> I'll take a look at the messagewatcher when I get a chance.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 11:26:30 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 08:26:30 -0700
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>

Foolish question, but have you tried creating a new field from scratch,
pasting the script, and seeing if that works?

I've had to do that a couple for times when some exotic and non-displayed
property or another got set.

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 11:36:44 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:36:44 -0400
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
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When I add
      select line lineNbr of me
or
      select before line lineNbr of me
right after 
      set the hilitedline of me to lineNbr
in my mouseup handler, it makes no difference. Arrowkeys up and down still do nothing. Not sure what you mean when you say that an insertion point of some type is necessary, since this is a field with listbehavior = true and it never has an insertion point, just a hilitedline.

And, I repeat, I have an equivalent list field in another stack with the same properties that works fine with the arrowkeys to change the hilitedline with no "select line x" or other work-around needed, ie, it works the way list fields are supposed to work: just click on the field to hilite a line, then arrowkey up or down to change the hilitedline.

Still a mystery. I may need to delete the field and replace it with a copy of my working field from the other stack, then alter the script to work in the problematic stack.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:56 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> Having a line hilited isn't enough.  It seems you MUST have an insertion
> point of some type.  Either select the line lineNbr, or if there is nothing
> selected, set the selectedchunk to char 1 to 0 of me
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:38 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:07 AM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Having found that the focus is on the card, for reasons best known to
>> the
>>>> engine (certainly not to me),
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> What does the Message Watcher say? If on clicking on a line in the fld
>>> fires a salvo of messages, somewhere - frontscript, backscript, card or
>>> stack script a handler is being fired that sends the focus elsewhere;
>>> apparently the card.
>>> 
>>> Do a global script search for 'go', 'send', 'select' and 'focus'. There
>> are
>>> probably other ways to remove the focus but those come readily to mind.
>> 
>> I don't see anything in my mouseup script that would change the focus:
>> 
>> on mouseup tBtn
>>   select empty
>>   -- putting "focus on me" here doesn't fix the problem
>>   put getGridCell() into g -- doesn't go to or select anything
>>   put item 1 of g into lineNbr
>>   put item 2 of g into colNbr
>>   if lineNbr = empty then
>>      exit mouseup
>>   else
>>      set the hilitedline of me to lineNbr
>>      -- this should put the focus in the field
>>   end if
>>   put line lineNbr of me into listEntry
>>   put getItem(listEntry, 1, tab) into noteTitle
>>   -- doesn't go to or select anything
>>   displayNote noteTitle
>>   -- fetches a customprop and puts it into the display field
>>   -- but this shouldn't move the focus
>>   -- putting "focus on me" here doesn't fix the problem
>>   if tBtn <> 3 then exit mouseup
>>   put popChoose("rename","delete") into u
>>   switch u
>>      case "rename"
>>         renameNote noteTitle
>>         break
>>      case "delete"
>>         answer "Are you sure you want to delete this note? This is not
>> undo-able!" with "OK" or "whoops!" \
>>               as sheet
>>         if it is not "OK" then exit to top
>>         deleteNote lineNbr, noteTitle
>>         break
>>   end switch
>> end mouseup
>> 
>> I'll take a look at the messagewatcher when I get a chance.
>> 
>> -- Peter
>> 
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Jul 21 12:06:14 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:06:14 -0700
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>

Bob,
I subscribed to the Indy license with the understanding that it is the same as a commercial license, but for only a single developer.

Hope I'm right.
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Pardon my being late to the party, but I went to the web page and read up, but I still do not know what the ?Indy? version is. I don?t want to miss the pricing deadline, but I also don?t want to subscribe to something then find out it is less than I wanted. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 15:50 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Peter Haworth <pete at ...> writes:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm assuming some folks out there got the same email as me regarding the
>>> increase in Indy license pricing.
>>> 
>>> From that email, it seems that the Community Edition will no longer have
>>> all the same features as the fee-based versions of Livecode.
>>> 
>>> Comments?
>> 
>> Been dealt with very nicely by Kevin:
>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24729&start=15
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From cs_livecode at icloud.com  Tue Jul 21 12:16:29 2015
From: cs_livecode at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 10:16:29 -0600
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>
	<76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>
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There are two other limitations to be aware of, if I understand the terms correctly:  1) Your company/organization cannot have more than 5 employees total, and 2) cannot make more than $500,000 per year.

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> I subscribed to the Indy license with the understanding that it is the same as a commercial license, but for only a single developer.
> 
> Hope I'm right.
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Pardon my being late to the party, but I went to the web page and read up, but I still do not know what the ?Indy? version is. I don?t want to miss the pricing deadline, but I also don?t want to subscribe to something then find out it is less than I wanted. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 15:50 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Peter Haworth <pete at ...> writes:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm assuming some folks out there got the same email as me regarding the
>>>> increase in Indy license pricing.
>>>> 
>>>> From that email, it seems that the Community Edition will no longer have
>>>> all the same features as the fee-based versions of Livecode.
>>>> 
>>>> Comments?
>>> 
>>> Been dealt with very nicely by Kevin:
>>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24729&start=15
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 12:26:22 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:26:22 -0400
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19F7DE77-8915-4AC0-9079-10770985B3E3@gmail.com>

That's my next step.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

> Foolish question, but have you tried creating a new field from scratch,
> pasting the script, and seeing if that works?
> 
> I've had to do that a couple for times when some exotic and non-displayed
> property or another got set.
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 21 12:42:10 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:42:10 -0500
Subject: How to Deploy Apps to Android Devices
In-Reply-To: <a563069945ec332dacd4f98a63823300.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
References: <a563069945ec332dacd4f98a63823300.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <B600B89D-9FCE-4EBC-A91C-61E425251D36@hyperactivesw.com>

On July 21, 2015 6:51:16 AM CDT, Jana Doughty <jana.doughty at livecode.com> wrote:
>Hi LiveCode Community,
>
>Lots of you have asked about Android. Did you know you can deploy apps
>to
>Android Devices and it takes just one click?
>
>Here's how to do it and how to avoid errors in doing so:
>
>http://livecode.com/how-to-deploy-apps-to-android-devices/

Just excellent, thanks very much. This is exactly what we need, info that isn't explained anywhere else and which no one but the team knows. It would be great if this could be documented in a more permanent location in the IDE somewhere. 
-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 12:44:58 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 10:44:58 -0600
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
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References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
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	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
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What I mean is.. When I use tab to change focus between fields, the arrow
keys do nothing in the field I tabbed into.
When I click and select a line in the field, then the arrow keys work.  In
the former, the focusedobject correctly shows the field in question, but
has no selectedchunk.  In the latter, the focus is correct, but the
seletedchunk reflects the line clicked.

Remove the "select empty" from the top of your handler and it should work.
Just tried it here.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's my next step.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>
> > Foolish question, but have you tried creating a new field from scratch,
> > pasting the script, and seeing if that works?
> >
> > I've had to do that a couple for times when some exotic and non-displayed
> > property or another got set.
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> > (702) 508-8462
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 12:47:08 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 10:47:08 -0600
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<19F7DE77-8915-4AC0-9079-10770985B3E3@gmail.com>
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Hey, in fact, the easiest test I can find to prove this is..
put a mouseup handler in a field with ONLY select empty.
Then try it.  Boom, no arrow keys.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> What I mean is.. When I use tab to change focus between fields, the arrow
> keys do nothing in the field I tabbed into.
> When I click and select a line in the field, then the arrow keys work.  In
> the former, the focusedobject correctly shows the field in question, but
> has no selectedchunk.  In the latter, the focus is correct, but the
> seletedchunk reflects the line clicked.
>
> Remove the "select empty" from the top of your handler and it should
> work.  Just tried it here.
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That's my next step.
>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>>
>> > Foolish question, but have you tried creating a new field from scratch,
>> > pasting the script, and seeing if that works?
>> >
>> > I've had to do that a couple for times when some exotic and
>> non-displayed
>> > property or another got set.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
>> > (702) 508-8462
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 21 12:50:50 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:50:50 -0700
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AE786A.70804@fourthworld.com>

Mike Bonner wrote:
 > What I mean is.. When I use tab to change focus between fields, the
 > arrow keys do nothing in the field I tabbed into.
 > When I click and select a line in the field, then the arrow keys
 > work.  In the former, the focusedobject correctly shows the field in
 > question, but has no selectedchunk.  In the latter, the focus is
 > correct, but the seletedchunk reflects the line clicked.

I've seen this myself.  I thought there was a bug report against that, 
but I couldn't find it this morning.  Anyone know if that's been 
submitted?  If not, would you like to submit that, Mike?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 21 12:52:54 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:52:54 -0500
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <056CB424-6E15-494F-A66B-E2BF105DB67B@gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kjfga4Fqkg7g4Tm1vvJ232PukFeECQgLgLDYqGBzYpMkg@mail.gmail.com>
	<056CB424-6E15-494F-A66B-E2BF105DB67B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <340F9E54-D7FC-484F-BFFB-2499BD49ED6D@hyperactivesw.com>

On July 21, 2015 9:38:11 AM CDT, "Peter M. Brigham" <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
>I don't see anything in my mouseup script that would change the focus:
>
>on mouseup tBtn
>   select empty
>   -- putting "focus on me" here doesn't fix the problem

As a test, remove the "select empty"  line and see what happens. It might at least narrow down the problem. 
-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 12:55:34 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 10:55:34 -0600
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <55AE786A.70804@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AE786A.70804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrLCm_CmdxWEL+XpUTKwZMchcfmz5uKLs-aDLvsAkQSVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Depends, I went back to 6.6.2. Don't know if it goes farther back than 5.5,
but.. is this expected behavior or no?

I'll see if I can locate the report real quick.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> Mike Bonner wrote:
> > What I mean is.. When I use tab to change focus between fields, the
> > arrow keys do nothing in the field I tabbed into.
> > When I click and select a line in the field, then the arrow keys
> > work.  In the former, the focusedobject correctly shows the field in
> > question, but has no selectedchunk.  In the latter, the focus is
> > correct, but the seletedchunk reflects the line clicked.
>
> I've seen this myself.  I thought there was a bug report against that, but
> I couldn't find it this morning.  Anyone know if that's been submitted?  If
> not, would you like to submit that, Mike?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 13:04:18 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:04:18 -0600
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrLCm_CmdxWEL+XpUTKwZMchcfmz5uKLs-aDLvsAkQSVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AE786A.70804@fourthworld.com>
	<CAG1cpSrLCm_CmdxWEL+XpUTKwZMchcfmz5uKLs-aDLvsAkQSVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp81otkgRD-KMunXUR4SNHYe7KCAdgKAGfDNZRjQD-QfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Heres the bug you reported Richard:
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13689 Going to add a note to it.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Depends, I went back to 6.6.2. Don't know if it goes farther back than
> 5.5, but.. is this expected behavior or no?
>
> I'll see if I can locate the report real quick.
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Richard Gaskin <
> ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike Bonner wrote:
>> > What I mean is.. When I use tab to change focus between fields, the
>> > arrow keys do nothing in the field I tabbed into.
>> > When I click and select a line in the field, then the arrow keys
>> > work.  In the former, the focusedobject correctly shows the field in
>> > question, but has no selectedchunk.  In the latter, the focus is
>> > correct, but the seletedchunk reflects the line clicked.
>>
>> I've seen this myself.  I thought there was a bug report against that,
>> but I couldn't find it this morning.  Anyone know if that's been
>> submitted?  If not, would you like to submit that, Mike?
>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Systems
>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>  ____________________________________________________________________
>>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>
>>
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From andrew at ctech.me  Tue Jul 21 13:22:26 2015
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:22:26 +0000
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>
	<76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>
	<66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft-8uSNpUj5B8ACt61VzyZTVkveo0sMrMUmL15ApiOuRHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just read through some of the forum threads.

Price Increase? No big deal.
Commercial vs Open Source Feature Parity? Could also be no big deal if done
with some good intentions.
Only Subscription licensing? No big deal, helps keep costs down for us to
stay bleeding edge and helps stabilize the income runrev can count on.

But all three of these together? It's kind of obvious why people are
complaining/suspicious of the long term intentions here.

The issue is trust. In trusting runrev to know how to walk the fine line
with the commercial features/licensing, not any of the issues individually.
Not everyone is just going to take them for their word with this stuff
anymore.

Without that trust all of these things look very suspicious.

"We're gonna do all these things to get to what we promised, but after that
..." after that, what?

You take livecode open source to get funding to redesign it, release the
completed redesign as open source and after some time completely focus
future development efforts on commercial? Is that the after? It seems like
that's what the mother ship was saying on those threads.

"No, that's not what we want to do. We are committed to being Open Source."

Until you hit another funding wall and then those wants becomes have to's?

Sure, it's a slippery slope fallacy, but the ground we've just traveled on
from April 2013 didn't feel real solid.






On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:16 AM Chris Sheffield <cs_livecode at icloud.com>
wrote:

> There are two other limitations to be aware of, if I understand the terms
> correctly:  1) Your company/organization cannot have more than 5 employees
> total, and 2) cannot make more than $500,000 per year.
>
> > On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> > I subscribed to the Indy license with the understanding that it is the
> same as a commercial license, but for only a single developer.
> >
> > Hope I'm right.
> > Bill
> >
> > William Prothero
> > http://es.earthednet.org
> >
> >> On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Pardon my being late to the party, but I went to the web page and read
> up, but I still do not know what the ?Indy? version is. I don?t want to
> miss the pricing deadline, but I also don?t want to subscribe to something
> then find out it is less than I wanted.
> >>
> >> Bob S
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 15:50 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Peter Haworth <pete at ...> writes:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm assuming some folks out there got the same email as me regarding
> the
> >>>> increase in Indy license pricing.
> >>>>
> >>>> From that email, it seems that the Community Edition will no longer
> have
> >>>> all the same features as the fee-based versions of Livecode.
> >>>>
> >>>> Comments?
> >>>
> >>> Been dealt with very nicely by Kevin:
> >>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24729&start=15
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mark Wieder
> >>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
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From irog at mac.com  Tue Jul 21 14:08:00 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:08:00 -0700
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>

Hi Heather,

How about a $99 per year commercial license for hobbyists who want to build free apps (no profit)?  I?ll be the first to sign up!!



Thanks and cheers,

Roger Guay

From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Tue Jul 21 14:21:22 2015
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:21:22 +0200
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8DA1866D-759C-43C3-8F54-A314D279AAFD@laposte.net>


> Le 21 juil. 2015 ? 20:08, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> a ?crit :
> 
> Hi Heather,
> 
> How about a $99 per year commercial license for hobbyists who want to build free apps (no profit)?  I?ll be the first to sign up!!
> 

+10


From simon at asato-media.com  Tue Jul 21 14:34:12 2015
From: simon at asato-media.com (Simon)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <1437503652487-4694146.post@n4.nabble.com>

Just to close my end of this thread.
Simple email to support and the problem was fixed. Loaded up the disk to 105
GB and received an email from Heather saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, "I
like you but you're over 100 GB".

Simon



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 21 14:49:55 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:49:55 -0700
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
References: <D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55AE9453.8070607@fourthworld.com>

Roger Guay wrote:

 > How about a $99 per year commercial license for hobbyists who want to
 > build free apps (no profit)?  I?ll be the first to sign up!!

How about free, with the option to donate $99 if you choose?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 14:51:50 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:51:50 -0600
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <8DA1866D-759C-43C3-8F54-A314D279AAFD@laposte.net>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
	<8DA1866D-759C-43C3-8F54-A314D279AAFD@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqMFJKJ4jC8MeG0eNOc70yYFRFB-F5Af=gbSjprRMJp+g@mail.gmail.com>

I like this idea. And it would be a way for poor folks like me to help cash
flow runrev without a huge crushing dent in my paltry bank account. Would
be nice to be able to give away apps without having to provide source.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Ludovic THEBAULT <
ludovic.thebault at laposte.net> wrote:

>
> > Le 21 juil. 2015 ? 20:08, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> a ?crit :
> >
> > Hi Heather,
> >
> > How about a $99 per year commercial license for hobbyists who want to
> build free apps (no profit)?  I?ll be the first to sign up!!
> >
>
> +10
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 21 15:16:59 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:16:59 -0500
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft-8uSNpUj5B8ACt61VzyZTVkveo0sMrMUmL15ApiOuRHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>	<76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>	<66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
	<CAHp9Ft-8uSNpUj5B8ACt61VzyZTVkveo0sMrMUmL15ApiOuRHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AE9AAB.2000408@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/21/2015 12:22 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
> "No, that's not what we want to do. We are committed to being Open Source."
>
> Until you hit another funding wall and then those wants becomes have to's?

I'm curious how one would fund development on a massive project like LC 
when almost everyone is using the free version. So far, most of the 
suggestions I've seen posted have already been tried or are too silly to 
implement.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 21 15:24:47 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:24:47 -0500
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <1437503652487-4694146.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<1437503652487-4694146.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55AE9C7F.4060005@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/21/2015 1:34 PM, Simon wrote:
> Just to close my end of this thread.
> Simple email to support and the problem was fixed. Loaded up the disk to 105
> GB and received an email from Heather saying, and I'm paraphrasing here, "I
> like you but you're over 100 GB".

I like you too for posting that. It irritates me when some people (not 
you, but some responders to the thread) assume malice on the part of the 
company. Anyone who has met them or worked with them knows they are 
honest and responsible people who take their commitments very seriously.

I love Heather's comment. Sounds just like her. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 15:43:55 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:43:55 -0400
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36FA8182-A72A-462C-8912-6D44D577C9E8@gmail.com>

So creating a new list field (with the same script as the old one) and deleting the old list field did the trick. I don't know what field property setting that I was unaware of caused this problem. AFAIK, there should be no field property that blocks a list field from getting arrowkey messages, but something was doing it?. Anyway, problem solved.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:

> Foolish question, but have you tried creating a new field from scratch,
> pasting the script, and seeing if that works?
> 
> I've had to do that a couple for times when some exotic and non-displayed
> property or another got set.
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 15:46:31 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:46:31 -0400
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<19F7DE77-8915-4AC0-9079-10770985B3E3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A89BEDDA-A3E6-4414-94CD-51C7838A222F@gmail.com>

On Jul 21, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> What I mean is.. When I use tab to change focus between fields, the arrow
> keys do nothing in the field I tabbed into.
> When I click and select a line in the field, then the arrow keys work.  In
> the former, the focusedobject correctly shows the field in question, but
> has no selectedchunk.  In the latter, the focus is correct, but the
> seletedchunk reflects the line clicked.
> 
> Remove the "select empty" from the top of your handler and it should work.
> Just tried it here.

I tried that, but it didn't solve the problem. Creating a new field (with the same script as the old one) did.

> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's my next step.
>> 
>> -- Peter
>> 
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>> 
>>> Foolish question, but have you tried creating a new field from scratch,
>>> pasting the script, and seeing if that works?
>>> 
>>> I've had to do that a couple for times when some exotic and non-displayed
>>> property or another got set.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul 21 15:46:28 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:46:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: JSON parser discovery
Message-ID: <loom.20150721T213745-618@post.gmane.org>

A coworker hipped me to the fact that OSX has a built-in json parser.
As does linux.
Takes input from stdin and sends to stdout, so

json_pp < filename

will parse and pretty-print a json file for you.

I was feeling uneasy about posting json data to online parsers,
and this does the trick quite nicely.
Hope this helps.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 15:49:30 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 13:49:30 -0600
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <A89BEDDA-A3E6-4414-94CD-51C7838A222F@gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<19F7DE77-8915-4AC0-9079-10770985B3E3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A89BEDDA-A3E6-4414-94CD-51C7838A222F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoy0EVnxBj4ut6VSjyv11q6vj_5YWz662kyOraG=hWvEw@mail.gmail.com>

Very weird.  I can't get arrow keys to work with any list field if the
selection is empty.  But hey, all that matters is that it works.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 12:44 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>
> > What I mean is.. When I use tab to change focus between fields, the arrow
> > keys do nothing in the field I tabbed into.
> > When I click and select a line in the field, then the arrow keys work.
> In
> > the former, the focusedobject correctly shows the field in question, but
> > has no selectedchunk.  In the latter, the focus is correct, but the
> > seletedchunk reflects the line clicked.
> >
> > Remove the "select empty" from the top of your handler and it should
> work.
> > Just tried it here.
>
> I tried that, but it didn't solve the problem. Creating a new field (with
> the same script as the old one) did.
>
> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> That's my next step.
> >>
> >> -- Peter
> >>
> >> Peter M. Brigham
> >> pmbrig at gmail.com
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
> >>
> >> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> >>
> >>> Foolish question, but have you tried creating a new field from scratch,
> >>> pasting the script, and seeing if that works?
> >>>
> >>> I've had to do that a couple for times when some exotic and
> non-displayed
> >>> property or another got set.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
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From andrew at ctech.me  Tue Jul 21 15:52:42 2015
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:52:42 +0000
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <55AE9AAB.2000408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>
	<76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>
	<66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
	<CAHp9Ft-8uSNpUj5B8ACt61VzyZTVkveo0sMrMUmL15ApiOuRHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AE9AAB.2000408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft-GDmi2QGhSZi-ek-4i+pHCMfc3f3tZXHCrWd4ryOUTGg@mail.gmail.com>

Exactly my point, I don't think there is an easy answer here besides what
runrev is wanting to do. They said it themselves, they have to.

 I think the reaction is a result of mistrust/fear and not actual issues
with what's being proposed. Are you going to quiet all alarmists and settle
every single persons anxiety regarding this? No, but it seems like there
has been more fear and anxiety about the motherships' decisions lately than
there ought to be. How do we go about preventing that in the future? More
transparency (they've been trying)? Being very specific and careful (maybe
even engage the community directly) with what gets rolled into commercial
as a paid-only feature?

For instance: I would expect stuff like a customizable datagrid widget
tuned for performance even on mobile (and mobile deployment itself) not to
be a paid only feature. But I could certainly see a pre-configured inbox
style datagrid or a timeline control being a specialized commercial widget
that could be bought and used in the commercial version helping to generate
some money.

I can see paid widgets being the way to handle this Commercial vs Community
Feature parity issue.

I hope its along these lines and not "You can't deploy to Rasp pi, android
or IOS unless you are on commercial license".

Commercial should provide advantages but community should not provide
intentional dis-advantages.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:17 PM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 7/21/2015 12:22 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
> > "No, that's not what we want to do. We are committed to being Open
> Source."
> >
> > Until you hit another funding wall and then those wants becomes have
> to's?
>
> I'm curious how one would fund development on a massive project like LC
> when almost everyone is using the free version. So far, most of the
> suggestions I've seen posted have already been tried or are too silly to
> implement.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Jul 21 16:16:45 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:16:45 +0200
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft-GDmi2QGhSZi-ek-4i+pHCMfc3f3tZXHCrWd4ryOUTGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>
	<76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>
	<66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
	<CAHp9Ft-8uSNpUj5B8ACt61VzyZTVkveo0sMrMUmL15ApiOuRHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AE9AAB.2000408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAHp9Ft-GDmi2QGhSZi-ek-4i+pHCMfc3f3tZXHCrWd4ryOUTGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0850E90B-3138-440B-832A-5C059AAA7495@m-r-d.de>



> 
> 
> I hope its along these lines and not "You can't deploy to Rasp pi, android
Just a little note: 
Raspberry Pi deployment is only supported by  the community version.

Matthias



From david at viral.academy  Tue Jul 21 16:17:41 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:17:41 +0100
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>
	<76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>
	<66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioNLt1FZtBh8fMWEr2zk=Z=-MmatvH3u9Mkf3ySLRw+jwA@mail.gmail.com>

I want to send gzip encoded data back from the LiveCode server I'm working
on. According to the docs: compress function uses the slob compression
library.

And according to Wikipedia


> The "Content-Encoding"/"Accept-Encoding" and "Transfer-Encoding"/"TE"
> headers in HTTP <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP>/1.1 allow clients
> to optionally receive compressed HTTP
> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_compression> responses and (less
> commonly) to send compressed requests. The specification for HTTP/1.1 (RFC
> 2616 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616>) specifies three compression
> methods: "gzip" (RFC 1952 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1952>; the
> content wrapped in a gzip stream), "deflate" (RFC 1950
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950>; the content wrapped in a
> zlib-formatted stream), and "compress" (explained in RFC 2616
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616> section 3.5 as "*The encoding
> format produced by the common UNIX file compression program compress. This
> format is an adaptive Lempel-Ziv-Welch coding (LZW).*"). Many client
> libraries, browsers, and server platforms (including Apache
> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server> and Microsoft IIS
> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_IIS>) support gzip. Many
> agents also support deflate, although several important players incorrectly
> implement deflate support using the format specified by RFC 1951
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1951> instead of the correct format
> specified by RFC 1950 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950> (which
> encapsulates RFC 1951 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1951>). Notably,
> Internet Explorer versions 6, 7, and 8 report deflate support but do not
> actually accept RFC 1950 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950> format,
> making actual use of deflate highly unusual. Many clients accept both RFC
> 1951 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1951> and RFC 1950
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950>-formatted data for the "deflate"
> compressed method, but a server has no way to detect whether a client will
> correctly handle RFC 1950 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950> format.
>

That bodes well. Anyone know if this works with most browsers?


From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Jul 21 17:02:49 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:02:49 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNytdzTyj1DUuM-ehuKbrfPArrB8ZbQCBY=v_apno49pg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a button named "myButton" with a behavior "myBehavior" whose script
includes a handler named "loadData".

>From anther control I execute:

dispatch "loadData" to button "myButton"

The loadData handler is not executed and the it variable contains
"unhandled" after the dispatch command.

That should work, shouldn't it?


From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Jul 21 17:12:42 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:12:42 -0700
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <55AE9AAB.2000408@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>	<76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>	<66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
	<CAHp9Ft-8uSNpUj5B8ACt61VzyZTVkveo0sMrMUmL15ApiOuRHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AE9AAB.2000408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CB83601C-E291-477A-BD21-90816775C6D9@pacifier.com>

If like you say most people are using the free version
it makes me wonder what the income difference is
using a subscription plan compered to purchasing it.

I hope they are making money because it is a good
programming language.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 21, 2015, at 12:16 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 7/21/2015 12:22 PM, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>> "No, that's not what we want to do. We are committed to being Open Source."
>> 
>> Until you hit another funding wall and then those wants becomes have to's?
> 
> I'm curious how one would fund development on a massive project like LC when almost everyone is using the free version. So far, most of the suggestions I've seen posted have already been tried or are too silly to implement.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 21 17:35:08 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:35:08 -0700
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft-GDmi2QGhSZi-ek-4i+pHCMfc3f3tZXHCrWd4ryOUTGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHp9Ft-GDmi2QGhSZi-ek-4i+pHCMfc3f3tZXHCrWd4ryOUTGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AEBB0C.7020004@fourthworld.com>

Andrew Kluthe wrote:

 > Price Increase? No big deal.

Even less so when we consider that the "new" price was the price before 
last year's experiment with lower prices.  In fact, it's only $4 more 
than I used to pay for annual renewals with MetaCard back in '98, after 
paying an initial licensing fee of $995.

Some talk about this like it's tennis shoes or other commodities, "Just 
lower the price to sell more!"

The total addressable market for software developer tools is a slender 
fraction of what most consumer apps can aim for.  Look at the bell curve 
and remember that a person needs an IQ of at least 115 just to begin to 
find programming at all interesting.  Race-to-the-bottom pricing just 
doesn't work for such a highly specialized product that can only appeal 
to a relatively slender slice of the gene pool.  Everyone needs shoes, 
but few have any interest at all in programming.


 > Commercial vs Open Source Feature Parity? Could also be no big deal
 > if done with some good intentions.

So far there's been only feature parity, and the only thing Kevin 
discussed in his email is a single Widget add-on for exotic camera 
features, which takes nothing away from any of the other front- or 
back-facing camera commands we have on mobile now, or any of the webcam 
and other image input support on the desktop.

And while I can appreciate Kevin's desire to come up with supplemental 
revenue streams, I suspect he'll find that add-on components for a 
developer tool isn't exactly easy money, so I don't expect this to be a 
major trend.


 > Only Subscription licensing? No big deal, helps keep costs down for
 > us to stay bleeding edge and helps stabilize the income runrev can
 > count on.

And not at all new.  The switch to subscriptions went into effect more 
than two years ago when the Community Edition premiered.


 > But all three of these together? It's kind of obvious why people are
 > complaining/suspicious of the long term intentions here.

Given that two of those three aren't new and the third (a proprietary 
add-on) doesn't even exist yet, it's less clear to me.

Or maybe it's no more mystifying than anything else we see in any 
reasonably sizable Internet community.  As a population grows to reflect 
larger demographics, we can expect a portion of any group to disagree 
with changes within that group.  And given human nature, those who are 
satisfied with the change will be happily enjoying it rather than 
writing about it, giving disproportionate voice to a relatively small 
subset of the group.

We see this with nearly every aspect of collective human activity, from 
politics to products.

A casual observer might count dissenting posts, but if we look at 
dissenting people the number is much smaller.  And if we look at the 
audience size as a whole and compare the number of dissenting people to 
that, the proportionality becomes even clearer.

This isn't to suggest that contrary views shouldn't be discussed. 
Sometimes great ideas come from vigorous debate.

But the repetition is sometimes a bit much, and in any social situation 
it's always useful to avoid presumptions of bad intentions.


 > The issue is trust. In trusting runrev to know how to walk the fine
 > line with the commercial features/licensing, not any of the issues
 > individually.
 > Not everyone is just going to take them for their word with this stuff
 > anymore.

Why not?

You noted that none of those issues is a big deal at all, so what 
exactly has changed?

When we believe we may have reasons to question someone's future 
behaviors, more informative than conjecture would be to review past 
performance.

We can imagine all sorts of stuff.  I can dream up a world in which 
Kevin graduated from the Larry Ellison School of Annoying Open Source 
Communities, laughing at us all under his top hat in between chomps on 
his cigar as he removes his monacle to say, "Ha!  I fooled you all!" 
There's no limit to the human imagination.

Or we could just look at actual observable performance.

Sure, the company has their share of missteps, and arguably some details 
of the wording of that email are among them.

But what has Kevin or anyone else there ever done to exhibit anything 
less than earnestness in delivering on their stated objectives?

Sure, they don't always get everything right. And like the other 84% of 
projects Steven McConnell reviewed from ACM literature in writing his 
books, they've discovered they're not the first company that can make 
extremely ambitious goals involving complete rewrites across seven 
platforms and do it all on their original estimated schedule.

Lots of areas to improve, in their company, and mine, and perhaps those 
of some of the others here.

But earnestness and integrity?  I've seen nothing that would make me 
question that.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Jul 21 17:36:00 2015
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:36:00 -0700
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <55AE9453.8070607@fourthworld.com>
References: <D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
	<55AE9453.8070607@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F7725F5795804B579883E5FECDA99AF2@GATEWAY>

>  > How about a $99 per year commercial license for hobbyists 
> who want to  > build free apps (no profit)?  I'll be the 
> first to sign up!!
> 
> How about free, with the option to donate $99 if you choose?

As a customer, I love free stuff. As a vendor, I kind of like it too because
it can be a type of advertising. We do that already at Paradigma with
Valentina Studio. We give away the equivalent of what other guys charge $99
or more. Then a (smaller) group of people come back and buy the Pro version
to get the additional features.

But there's also the support end of it, too. As a vendor, you have to decide
if you can actually support / afford your freemium model. It is really a
complex thing. A major consideration is to what degree does your free level
cannibalizes your sales of higher end versions.

For example, consider $99 for commercial for free applications. You could
have a company buy such a license, and produce all sorts of compiled
applications for internal use, or use by their customers. They are still
generating a profit off of whatever is being supported by the free
applications. They could also use the FOSS community version too, which
would probably be fine for any applications used internally - but they might
be reluctant to distribute those FOSS apps if a competitor can get some
advantage from it.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From sc at sahores-conseil.com  Tue Jul 21 17:41:57 2015
From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:41:57 +0200
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CB83601C-E291-477A-BD21-90816775C6D9@pacifier.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>
	<76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>
	<66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
	<CAHp9Ft-8uSNpUj5B8ACt61VzyZTVkveo0sMrMUmL15ApiOuRHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AE9AAB.2000408@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CB83601C-E291-477A-BD21-90816775C6D9@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <0F57FF17-C3D3-4FAC-8317-C5EDC44B1C79@sahores-conseil.com>

> Le 21 juil. 2015 ? 23:12, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> a ?crit :
> 
> I hope they are making money because it is a good
> programming language.

For sure ! It?s both an amazing XTalk and, less well known, one of the best and most mature functional programming language ever published... 
--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 21 17:44:38 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:44:38 -0700
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <F7725F5795804B579883E5FECDA99AF2@GATEWAY>
References: <F7725F5795804B579883E5FECDA99AF2@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <55AEBD46.2060802@fourthworld.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

 > For example, consider $99 for commercial for free applications.
 > You could have a company buy such a license, and produce all sorts
 > of compiled applications for internal use, or use by their customers.
 > They are still generating a profit off of whatever is being supported
 > by the free applications. They could also use the FOSS community
 > version too, which would probably be fine for any applications used
 > internally - but they might be reluctant to distribute those FOSS
 > apps if a competitor can get some advantage from it.

Exactly.

If it represents material value to a company, the license is a bargain.

And if that competitive advantage isn't worth even a few hundred bucks, 
why bother?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jiml at netrin.com  Tue Jul 21 17:45:36 2015
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:45:36 -0700
Subject: JSON parser discovery
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8684E0F3-6CC3-4411-A3B1-DA8D02EAFD98@netrin.com>

MarkW wrote:
> json_pp < filename

Mark,

Very handy. Fast too.
Thanks!

Jim Lambert



From sc at sahores-conseil.com  Tue Jul 21 17:47:50 2015
From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:47:50 +0200
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <55AEBB0C.7020004@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAHp9Ft-GDmi2QGhSZi-ek-4i+pHCMfc3f3tZXHCrWd4ryOUTGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AEBB0C.7020004@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <487F1CEA-27BE-431A-BFDD-C9899FC130A2@sahores-conseil.com>

Le 21 juil. 2015 ? 23:35, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> a ?crit :
> 
> And given human nature, those who are satisfied with the change will be happily enjoying it rather than writing about it, giving disproportionate voice to a relatively small subset of the group.

;D
--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 21 18:15:43 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:15:43 -0700
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <487F1CEA-27BE-431A-BFDD-C9899FC130A2@sahores-conseil.com>
References: <487F1CEA-27BE-431A-BFDD-C9899FC130A2@sahores-conseil.com>
Message-ID: <55AEC48F.9060708@fourthworld.com>

Pierre Sahores wrote:
 > Le 21 juil. 2015 ? 23:35, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
 >>
 >> And given human nature, those who are satisfied with the change
 >> will be happily enjoying it rather than writing about it, giving
 >> disproportionate voice to a relatively small subset of the group.
 >
 > ;D

Don't mind providing a chuckle, but that wasn't meant as a joke or a 
dig, just a sober observation across pretty much all industries.

Ask any product manager, or restaurant owner, or retail manager, or 
anyone else who thoroughly reviews customer feedback.  Sentiment almost 
always skews negative, not because all products and services are bad, 
but mostly because happy customers don't take the time to write.

I sometimes do, with restaurants and retailers and more.  When I've had 
a good experience I share it with them, if only because I know how hard 
their job is, and positive feedback can be as useful as negative.  In 
just about every case the response I get is just short of shock - some 
of those managers have never had a customer take the time to say 
something nice.

It's not even necessarily a bad reflection on human nature.  It's just 
something people do.  If there's a problem, they need to have it 
addressed, but when things are going well their attention is on the 
result they're getting with the product rather than the product itself.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Jul 21 18:24:25 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:24:25 -0400
Subject: Behavior question
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I am not sure I understand.


If "myButton" has a handler in its script called "loadData", then the dispatch command should work regardless of any behaviors. This is direct, message-bypassing, er, behavior.


If the behavior of  that other control, was set to the long id of "myButton", then simply invoking "loadData" from that control would cause the handler in "myButton" to fire.


Is this what you are seeing? Or not seeing?


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2015 5:05 pm
Subject: Behavior question


I have a button named "myButton" with a behavior "myBehavior" whose
script
includes a handler named "loadData".

>From anther control I
execute:

dispatch "loadData" to button "myButton"

The loadData handler is
not executed and the it variable contains
"unhandled" after the dispatch
command.

That should work, shouldn't
it?
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 21 18:31:32 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:31:32 -0500
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNytdzTyj1DUuM-ehuKbrfPArrB8ZbQCBY=v_apno49pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNytdzTyj1DUuM-ehuKbrfPArrB8ZbQCBY=v_apno49pg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 7/21/2015 4:02 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I have a button named "myButton" with a behavior "myBehavior" whose script
> includes a handler named "loadData".
>
>>From anther control I execute:
>
> dispatch "loadData" to button "myButton"
>
> The loadData handler is not executed and the it variable contains
> "unhandled" after the dispatch command.
>
> That should work, shouldn't it?

Onoe would think so. Does "send" work? It traverses the message 
hierarchy a little differently.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 21 18:32:34 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:32:34 -0700
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>

Is loadData defined as a command or a function?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 18:36:58 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:36:58 +0800
Subject: Programatically complete an answer dialog ?
In-Reply-To: <1C440B3A-017D-4DF3-81B8-3334FFD41E0F@iotecdigital.com>
References: <45F53588-0F50-42FB-81E4-1B54ABCED749@gmail.com>
	<1C440B3A-017D-4DF3-81B8-3334FFD41E0F@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <AEC81D2A-C1C3-4324-964A-BE44873FD007@gmail.com>

Bob

> On 21 Jul 2015, at 22:33, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Unless you get into the answer dialog stack and play around or craft your own, I don?t think so. The problem is, the answer dialog is a modal stack itself and no processing happens until you dismiss it. 
> 
> Bob S

I found it easy to dismiss a modal stack once I can identify the stack (or even better the button) by sending a message to it in a suitable timeframe before the modal stack will be opened. I can?t manage that yet with an answer stack as I can?t identify the name of the stack that the engine displays.

Regards

Peter


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Jul 21 18:37:16 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 17:37:16 -0500
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <55AEC48F.9060708@fourthworld.com>
References: <487F1CEA-27BE-431A-BFDD-C9899FC130A2@sahores-conseil.com>
	<55AEC48F.9060708@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <55AEC99C.1010203@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/21/2015 5:15 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Ask any product manager, or restaurant owner, or retail manager, or
> anyone else who thoroughly reviews customer feedback.  Sentiment almost
> always skews negative

Which has spawned the sage advice regarding web sites to "never read the 
comments." Some of the stuff people write behind their veil of 
annonymity is just horrible.

>
> I sometimes do, with restaurants and retailers and more.  When I've had
> a good experience I share it with them, if only because I know how hard
> their job is, and positive feedback can be as useful as negative.  In
> just about every case the response I get is just short of shock

I had the same experience after writing about a very pleasant purchasing 
experience. The company's customer support wrote back, "Thank you so 
much. Nobody EVER says that!" I also seek out and tell the manger at a 
restaurant if the wait-person has been exceptional.

I saw a tagline once: It doesn't take a minute longer to be kind.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Jul 21 18:42:43 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:42:43 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <14eb2b7c7d7-413b-28a8@webprd-a25.mail.aol.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNytdzTyj1DUuM-ehuKbrfPArrB8ZbQCBY=v_apno49pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<14eb2b7c7d7-413b-28a8@webprd-a25.mail.aol.com>
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Craig,
The loadData command is in the behavior script, not the script of myButton.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:24 PM <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

> I am not sure I understand.
>
>
> If "myButton" has a handler in its script called "loadData", then the
> dispatch command should work regardless of any behaviors. This is direct,
> message-bypassing, er, behavior.
>
>
> If the behavior of  that other control, was set to the long id of
> "myButton", then simply invoking "loadData" from that control would cause
> the handler in "myButton" to fire.
>
>
> Is this what you are seeing? Or not seeing?
>
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2015 5:05 pm
> Subject: Behavior question
>
>
> I have a button named "myButton" with a behavior "myBehavior" whose
> script
> includes a handler named "loadData".
>
> From anther control I
> execute:
>
> dispatch "loadData" to button "myButton"
>
> The loadData handler is
> not executed and the it variable contains
> "unhandled" after the dispatch
> command.
>
> That should work, shouldn't
> it?
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 18:49:57 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:49:57 -0600
Subject: Programatically complete an answer dialog ?
In-Reply-To: <AEC81D2A-C1C3-4324-964A-BE44873FD007@gmail.com>
References: <45F53588-0F50-42FB-81E4-1B54ABCED749@gmail.com>
	<1C440B3A-017D-4DF3-81B8-3334FFD41E0F@iotecdigital.com>
	<AEC81D2A-C1C3-4324-964A-BE44873FD007@gmail.com>
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You can put this into a button to find out the name of the stack. (Which
turns out to be named "Answer Dialog")

on mouseUp
   send "set the mystacks of this stack to the openstacks" to me  in 1
second
   answer information "HI!"
   put the mystacks of this stack
end mouseUp

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Bob
>
> > On 21 Jul 2015, at 22:33, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Unless you get into the answer dialog stack and play around or craft
> your own, I don?t think so. The problem is, the answer dialog is a modal
> stack itself and no processing happens until you dismiss it.
> >
> > Bob S
>
> I found it easy to dismiss a modal stack once I can identify the stack (or
> even better the button) by sending a message to it in a suitable timeframe
> before the modal stack will be opened. I can?t manage that yet with an
> answer stack as I can?t identify the name of the stack that the engine
> displays.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
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From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Jul 21 18:52:45 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:52:45 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNytdzTyj1DUuM-ehuKbrfPArrB8ZbQCBY=v_apno49pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eObJNoZkZ_v2Uu-yxYxd6Vd0PCU3ZoC-HaeSMOoxXLB0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jacque, that might have yielded a clue. When I use send, I get a
runtime error "can't find handler".

I've had issues in the past with behavior references not being resolved, to
the extent that I wrote a handler to re-establish all object behavior
references when my stack opens.  Maybe this is another manifestation of
that problem.

Pete



On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:31 PM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 7/21/2015 4:02 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > I have a button named "myButton" with a behavior "myBehavior" whose
> script
> > includes a handler named "loadData".
> >
> >>From anther control I execute:
> >
> > dispatch "loadData" to button "myButton"
> >
> > The loadData handler is not executed and the it variable contains
> > "unhandled" after the dispatch command.
> >
> > That should work, shouldn't it?
>
> Onoe would think so. Does "send" work? It traverses the message
> hierarchy a little differently.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Jul 21 18:53:42 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:53:42 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>

It's a command.  Even checked the spelling and also copy/pasted the handler
name from it's declaration into the dispatch command.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:33 PM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Is loadData defined as a command or a function?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 19:46:14 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 07:46:14 +0800
Subject: Programatically complete an answer dialog ?
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrN=v0zTJhrVWaR3Xymr7ZUBK7oxkpx0b+iZR5ry4aWvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45F53588-0F50-42FB-81E4-1B54ABCED749@gmail.com>
	<1C440B3A-017D-4DF3-81B8-3334FFD41E0F@iotecdigital.com>
	<AEC81D2A-C1C3-4324-964A-BE44873FD007@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrN=v0zTJhrVWaR3Xymr7ZUBK7oxkpx0b+iZR5ry4aWvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EAAB5E32-D8AA-4A9D-B87A-9AFE2EDD9AC0@gmail.com>

Thanks Mike

> On 22 Jul 2015, at 06:49, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You can put this into a button to find out the name of the stack. (Which
> turns out to be named "Answer Dialog")
> 
> on mouseUp
>   send "set the mystacks of this stack to the openstacks" to me  in 1
> second
>   answer information "HI!"
>   put the mystacks of this stack
> end mouseUp
> 
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Bob
>> 
>>> On 21 Jul 2015, at 22:33, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unless you get into the answer dialog stack and play around or craft
>> your own, I don?t think so. The problem is, the answer dialog is a modal
>> stack itself and no processing happens until you dismiss it.
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>> 
>> I found it easy to dismiss a modal stack once I can identify the stack (or
>> even better the button) by sending a message to it in a suitable timeframe
>> before the modal stack will be opened. I can?t manage that yet with an
>> answer stack as I can?t identify the name of the stack that the engine
>> displays.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Jul 21 19:54:53 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:54:53 -0400
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14eb30a8744-3029-2e95@webprd-m90.mail.aol.com>

Peter.


A behavior is a property, not a handler in a script. That property is the long id of a button, which contains what one might call a "behavior" handler. The behavior handler is put into sort of its own separate "message path", accessed by other controls that have their behavior properties "point" to the behavior button and its behavior script.


So many behaviors.


Do this. On a new card, make two buttons. Name one "b1" and the other "b2". In the script of "b1", place this handler:


on getRandom
 answer random(99)
end getRandom.


In the script of "b2" place this:


on mouseUp
  getRandom
end mouseUp.


Now set the behavior of btn "b2" to the long id of btn "b1". And finally, click on "b2".


Does this help? I think you are misusing the idea of behaviors.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2015 6:54 pm
Subject: Re: Behavior question


It's a command.  Even checked the spelling and also copy/pasted the
handler
name from it's declaration into the dispatch command.

On Tue, Jul
21, 2015 at 3:33 PM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Is
loadData defined as a command or a function?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>  
Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop,
Mobile, and the Web
>  
____________________________________________________________________
>  
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>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Jul 21 19:55:11 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:55:11 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so there
must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing the
behavior from being resolved.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:53 PM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> It's a command.  Even checked the spelling and also copy/pasted the
> handler name from it's declaration into the dispatch command.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:33 PM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Is loadData defined as a command or a function?
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Systems
>>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>   ____________________________________________________________________
>>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 19:55:42 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:55:42 -0400
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
Message-ID: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>

I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite 
database that has 4 fields:
ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null 
unique and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use 
the ID to access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to 
find records based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.

It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am 
primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have non-unique 
URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just 
surprised about the open performance  Does opening the database load a 
lot of information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have 
created the database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the 
delay?

This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open 
the database with sqlitebrowser.

Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be appreciated.

Regards,
    Mike




From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Jul 21 19:59:52 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:59:52 +1000
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2E5A8585-6BE2-4C72-B781-87EC58FF6178@sweattechnologies.com>


> On 22 Jul 2015, at 4:08 am, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> How about a $99 per year commercial license for hobbyists who want to build free apps (no profit)?  I?ll be the first to sign up!!


I?m wondering if this problem will go away with Xcode 7 and the free developer program. As you will now be able to release the source for someone to modify and install on their device outside the app store it?s a bit of a game changer. The only issue I guess is whether the fact that you still need to sign up to the developer program breaks the GPL but that might be a bit pedantic on the part of the FSF?

Cheers

Monte

--
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Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

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From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Tue Jul 21 20:09:31 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:09:31 -0400
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <2E5A8585-6BE2-4C72-B781-87EC58FF6178@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
	<2E5A8585-6BE2-4C72-B781-87EC58FF6178@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXPMFbEAikp7F9Jqb8S26BhZ2F+2SrF04XAjX7hUBMX+fg@mail.gmail.com>

Game changer huh?  You mean you can side-load an app just like Android has
always been able to?
On Jul 21, 2015 8:00 PM, "Monte Goulding" <monte at sweattechnologies.com>
wrote:

>
> > On 22 Jul 2015, at 4:08 am, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > How about a $99 per year commercial license for hobbyists who want to
> build free apps (no profit)?  I?ll be the first to sign up!!
>
>
> I?m wondering if this problem will go away with Xcode 7 and the free
> developer program. As you will now be able to release the source for
> someone to modify and install on their device outside the app store it?s a
> bit of a game changer. The only issue I guess is whether the fact that you
> still need to sign up to the developer program breaks the GPL but that
> might be a bit pedantic on the part of the FSF?
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
>
> --
> M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/>
> Software development services
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Jul 21 20:11:01 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:11:01 +1000
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPMFbEAikp7F9Jqb8S26BhZ2F+2SrF04XAjX7hUBMX+fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
	<2E5A8585-6BE2-4C72-B781-87EC58FF6178@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAAT6EXPMFbEAikp7F9Jqb8S26BhZ2F+2SrF04XAjX7hUBMX+fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44C1A501-2293-4D29-A84D-96D71C57F65F@sweattechnologies.com>


> On 22 Jul 2015, at 10:09 am, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:
> 
> Game changer huh?  You mean you can side-load an app just like Android has
> always been able to?

Game changer in the iOS world?

--
M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/> 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Tue Jul 21 20:13:48 2015
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:13:48 -0400
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <44C1A501-2293-4D29-A84D-96D71C57F65F@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
	<2E5A8585-6BE2-4C72-B781-87EC58FF6178@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAAT6EXPMFbEAikp7F9Jqb8S26BhZ2F+2SrF04XAjX7hUBMX+fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<44C1A501-2293-4D29-A84D-96D71C57F65F@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNMZPRYLw35ChS-9sspkVSHG9U7GA-dUvrWpKZ1rhHbiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Indeed.  ;)
On Jul 21, 2015 8:11 PM, "Monte Goulding" <monte at sweattechnologies.com>
wrote:

>
> > On 22 Jul 2015, at 10:09 am, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Game changer huh?  You mean you can side-load an app just like Android
> has
> > always been able to?
>
> Game changer in the iOS world?
>
> --
> M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/>
> Software development services
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!
>
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From curt at sonasoftware.com  Tue Jul 21 21:51:34 2015
From: curt at sonasoftware.com (Curt Ford)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:51:34 -0400
Subject: reliability of QT for sound files on Windows? :(
Message-ID: <1953CACA-823C-45A6-8A0D-454F8FB2EC74@sonasoftware.com>

I?ve had a series of modules done in recent years for a client that have many .mp3 files; sometimes one, sometimes up to 15 on a card. They?re stored in a folder named ?media,? and I?ve set the fileName for the QT players by building the path to the correct mp3 file. This has worked fine on XP and Windows 7 for over 20 modules.

I needed to make a few changes because of text layout (a whole ?other issue, don?t get me started!) - now I?m getting reports that QT bars are showing up blank on Windows 7 in 2 pages of one module; I can reproduce it on XP (I don?t have 7). The problem doesn?t occur in Windows 8.1. The two pages at issue show no problems in the other modules (which have the same structure & same code, just different content).

I?ve tried everything I can think of: reinstalling/updating QuickTime; rebuilding the module from an earlier version; deleting the players and dragging in new ones? the sound files themselves play fine in external players. A debugging panel I built in shows that the sound files are being found, and the fileName is being set as expected for each player. I?ve tried building in 6.7.6 and in 7.04, building on XP and on 8.1, but can?t get these sounds to play reliably.

One other idea was to delete two of the QT players from the offending page and drag out two new ones to see if they?d be more reliable. Result: the two new ones appear blank on 8.1 as well.

Anyone have any ideas before my head breaks through the wall? I?m stuck other than trying to remember which version I originally did these in - maybe 5.5.4?

Curt


From irog at mac.com  Tue Jul 21 22:35:54 2015
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:35:54 -0700
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <55AE9453.8070607@fourthworld.com>
References: <D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
	<55AE9453.8070607@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6CDB54A6-C430-4B59-B56B-E918238E12C4@mac.com>

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I am under the impression that Apple will not accept open source code, so I think I need a commercial license. Plus, I think this would give RR a more reliable income scheme than the occasional unsolicited donation.

Best,

Roger

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> How about free, with the option to donate $99 if you choose?



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 23:25:24 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:25:24 +0800
Subject: [BUG] HTMLText <H5> incorrectly converted
In-Reply-To: <0cfec3b0389d80563ca7c8eb8c4e6e78@livecode.com>
References: <CA+uh5kgO2FZWkvJodo5Sc4vWc9YpTH2NQF+D9R6r2PnjgK5Tqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55A6A20A.80607@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0cfec3b0389d80563ca7c8eb8c4e6e78@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kidMWhEOoSzq5-LkVrAMRDjaZ8kigxM-bfheXqjTfygUw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mark for the update.

With the recent announcement about the progress with HTML5 I'm sure this
will become more and more important. In my naive understanding of what you
are saying it sounds to me like some kind of CSS for LC.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Mark Waddingham <mark at livecode.com> wrote:

> I doesn't go back to HyperCard, since HC had no native html
>> capabilities. It does go back to MetaCard, and I vaguely recall some
>> of the header level tags being italic back then. I suspect this was
>> modelled on the most common browser interpretations at the time, which
>> has changed quite a bit since then. It's been, what, 20 years?
>>
>
> Indeed - I think this is perhaps the most likely explanation.
>
> As it turns out a very similar issue was reported recently with regard use
> of named colors and their RGB mappings (Bug 15621). The mapping the engine
> uses for those seems to have been defined relative to a specific UNIX
> terminal / display / X11 implementation which is not quite the same as what
> has become the 'defacto' X11 standard mappings (the X11 standard only ever
> gave informative values for them, rather than normative ones).
>
> The solution in both cases is not to change the current mappings, but
> instead to (at some point) make the mappings configurable at runtime. Of
> course, the rub here is that this causes a global interoperability problem
> which is not (at this time) clear how to resolve. i.e. In the IDE you could
> be editing two 'applications' at once both of which want different
> settings. (Note that keying this at the stack level isn't necessarily
> correct as stacks can be used as libraries in different contexts - there
> needs to be some notion of 'project scope' which would arbitrate what
> mappings were used when).
>
> In any case, I've updated both bug reports to reflect this - i.e. as an
> enhancement to allow these things to be configurable at runtime.
>
> --
> Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul 21 23:32:30 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:32:30 -0700
Subject: Has the "founders" on-rev package been reduced to 25 GB?
In-Reply-To: <55AE9C7F.4060005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>	<1437503652487-4694146.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<55AE9C7F.4060005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <55AF0ECE.6040308@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/21/2015 12:24 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I like you too for posting that. It irritates me when some people (not
> you, but some responders to the thread) assume malice on the part of the
> company. Anyone who has met them or worked with them knows they are
> honest and responsible people who take their commitments very seriously.
>
> I love Heather's comment. Sounds just like her. :)
>

LOL. I'm thinking of filling my disk space just so I can get one of 
those emails from Heather.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul 21 23:35:35 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:35:35 -0700
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <2E5A8585-6BE2-4C72-B781-87EC58FF6178@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>	<D71E4654-FC89-4C7B-8533-5EEA16211D95@mac.com>
	<2E5A8585-6BE2-4C72-B781-87EC58FF6178@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <55AF0F87.20608@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/21/2015 04:59 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> that might be a bit pedantic on the part of the FSF?

Wot? FSF pedantic?

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Jul 21 23:44:16 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:44:16 -0700
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so there
> must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing the
> behavior from being resolved.

Well, it *should* work. In most cases anyway.

The only thing I can think of that would mess it up is if you have a 
loadData handler somewhere in a frontscript and it isn't passing the 
message on when it's done.

I think of behavior scripts as private backscripts of the parent object. 
So it should be the next thing in the message path unless a frontscript 
grabs the message first and never lets go.

I don't think that explains the "unhandled" status though, so there may 
be something else going on.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 23:48:14 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:48:14 +0800
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>

An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very short, a
couple of the longest and a couple of average.

How big is the db file size - MB not record count?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite database
> that has 4 fields:
> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null unique
> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the ID to
> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find records
> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>
> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have non-unique
> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just surprised
> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created the
> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
>
> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open the
> database with sqlitebrowser.
>
> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>    Mike
>
>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 00:49:42 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:49:42 +0800
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <55AEBB0C.7020004@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAHp9Ft-GDmi2QGhSZi-ek-4i+pHCMfc3f3tZXHCrWd4ryOUTGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AEBB0C.7020004@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kirupNt-obXuaNqi5HKqAvxui=+Z_pOcsc=FfH5JaXmww@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Some talk about this like it's tennis shoes...
>
> Everyone needs shoes, but few have any interest at all in programming.
>
> But not every one needs Tennis shoes. When HyperCard came out I was
surprised and how many 'Tennis Players' came out of the woodwork ;-)

I'm with Kevin, I believe everyone CAN code.

>
> We can imagine all sorts of stuff.  I can dream up a world in which ...
>

Wrestling a similar situation with a stronghold of Luddites at a Club I'm a
member of. It has a website and a Wiki and members are continually
complaining that this is wrong or that is missing or something needs
updating. Well go ahead and fix it, it's a Wiki, you can do it. And then
all the excuses come out; the original author hasn't given me permission, I
don't want to tread on any ones toe's, I'm not an expert in the field -
someone with more knowledge should do it, there should be an approval
process, the Committee should oversee amendments, the Wiki will turn into a
pile of spaghetti, it will be anarchy, all will be lost, the world will
end...

Yet the Wiki has been there for over 5 years and no spaghetti, no anarchy,
no lost information. Just the few who always volunteer working against the
avalanche of complainers.

>
> Or we could just look at actual observable performance.
>

But why wreck a good conspiracy theory with fact ;-)


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 22 00:51:57 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 21:51:57 -0700
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AF216D.5000107@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Michael Doub wrote:
> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
> database that has 4 fields:
> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
> unique and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use
> the ID to access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to
> find records based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>
> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have non-unique
> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
> surprised about the open performance  Does opening the database load a
> lot of information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have
> created the database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the
> delay?
>
> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open
> the database with sqlitebrowser.
>
> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be appreciated.

Have you created an index? That could significantly speed things up.
If your queries are always using the tag, unique and local fields then 
you might consider creating a compound index as well.

How big is the database file?
Are the queries slow or just the initial opening?

This might help:  https://www.sqlite.org/optoverview.html

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 01:01:20 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:01:20 +0800
Subject: Visual Studio, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft8wTdti+uO9cccRFncFg+JwMZGb9vCNW_7vAkDkEuB06Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPLSyvZdTKECRx9TEpQ2uJxiMCDc_tVjW2Ln7zvmx3E6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kjqXNGV6n=E5U6VcNhN4w1L3P1zpGfjPURauNu5WGBG6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOmY52BydGz4Y2Q1L=koD0NUqkX0JseOUNS=Y_BugReig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft8wTdti+uO9cccRFncFg+JwMZGb9vCNW_7vAkDkEuB06Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khco+8G_SxwRoCucEh4+hEbW=aaWvHXsLoTQkSF6TECgA@mail.gmail.com>

Didn't see that, thanks for pointing it out Andrew.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

> Visual Studio Code is a lightweight editor for os x, linux, and windows.
>
> It's based on the technology used to make Atom editor and is meant to be a
> cross-platform, lightweight editor geared towards node.js, typescript, and
> the new ASP.NET cross-platform stuff.
>
> The new ASP.net is a total rewrite of ASP from the ground up and can run on
> linux and osx. So they needed an editor (not full blown IDE) on these
> platforms geared specifically for it.
>
> It also has git interface baked in like Atom.
>
> Not a bad little editor for being MS and so new. The Javascript
> intellisense is incredible and better than full blown visual studio imo.
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:37 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, after I started messing around to see what was going on, it turns
> out
> > that the code editor piece can run on non MS but the visual editor only
> > runs on windoze.  I agree with you, a web app doesn't count.  Otherwise,
> > 4D's silly claim that Wakanda lets you build mobile apps would be
> > reasonable.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Mike Kerner <
> MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Visual Studio now
> > > > supports all platforms, and seems to run on all platforms???
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not sure where you're reading that. This website:
> > >
> > > https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs
> > >
> > > Indicates that only "applications for Windows, Android and iOS" can be
> > > made* and checking the Features link indicates it only runs on Windows.
> > >
> > > Against my better judgement I downloaded it and unsurprisingly it
> didn't
> > > run on my non-MS computer.
> > >
> > > *I don't count 'web applications' as fulfilling the definition of a
> cross
> > > platform development tool that 'supports all platforms, and runs on all
> > > platforms.'
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 01:45:12 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 05:45:12 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO9rqvewk+QUi9heDwZVB3CCFwBb0=CZeNPO+sEUUVD8g@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, of course behavior is a property but the control referred to in the
behavior has a script and the loadData handler is in that script.  Hope
that clarifies things

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:44 PM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> > I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so there
> > must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing the
> > behavior from being resolved.
>
> Well, it *should* work. In most cases anyway.
>
> The only thing I can think of that would mess it up is if you have a
> loadData handler somewhere in a frontscript and it isn't passing the
> message on when it's done.
>
> I think of behavior scripts as private backscripts of the parent object.
> So it should be the next thing in the message path unless a frontscript
> grabs the message first and never lets go.
>
> I don't think that explains the "unhandled" status though, so there may
> be something else going on.
>
> --
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>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 01:48:51 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 05:48:51 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>
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Right, the unhandled is what is throwing me, plus the fact that using send
results in a runtime error.

As I've found, what I'm doing works in a simplified environment so for some
reason, this particular behavior isn't being resolved, just can't figure
out why.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:44 PM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> > I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so there
> > must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing the
> > behavior from being resolved.
>
> Well, it *should* work. In most cases anyway.
>
> The only thing I can think of that would mess it up is if you have a
> loadData handler somewhere in a frontscript and it isn't passing the
> message on when it's done.
>
> I think of behavior scripts as private backscripts of the parent object.
> So it should be the next thing in the message path unless a frontscript
> grabs the message first and never lets go.
>
> I don't think that explains the "unhandled" status though, so there may
> be something else going on.
>
> --
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>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Jul 22 06:10:31 2015
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 03:10:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoy0EVnxBj4ut6VSjyv11q6vj_5YWz662kyOraG=hWvEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<19F7DE77-8915-4AC0-9079-10770985B3E3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A89BEDDA-A3E6-4414-94CD-51C7838A222F@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoy0EVnxBj4ut6VSjyv11q6vj_5YWz662kyOraG=hWvEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1437559831450-4694196.post@n4.nabble.com>

Mike Bonner wrote
> Very weird.  I can't get arrow keys to work with any list field if the
> selection is empty.  But hey, all that matters is that it works.

Hi Mike,

could you try this on a list field with a hilited line and either a second
field that can get focus or no other field/control that can get focus and
test if the arrowkeys work?

put this code into the script of the list field

----------------------------------
on focusIn -- when tabbing into field
   activateLine
end focusIn

-- in case of tab but no other field/control gets focus, i.e. field is only
focusable object beside card
on focusOut 
   send "checkWhoIsFocused" to me in 10 milliseconds
end focusOut

on checkWhoIsFocused -- restore selection after tabbing while in only
focusable object
   if the focusedObject = the long id of me then 
      activateLine
   end if
end checkWhoIsFocused

on activateLine
   put the hilitedLine of me into tHilitedLine
   if tHilitedLine <> "" then select line tHIlitedLine of me
end activateLine
----------------------------------

Kind regards

Bernd



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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 22 06:27:47 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:27:47 +0200
Subject: [OT] FlipPDF for 19$ instead of 99$
Message-ID: <5DC769F8-3544-4A51-8D63-1F273DCECE40@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

maybe this is of interest for you.

FlipPDF (Win or Mac)  from flipbuilder.com is for sale for 19$ at

https://dealfuel.com/seller/flip-pdf-page-flip-software/

With this tool you can convert PDFs to Win Exe, Mac OS X App or to Flash and/or HTML5.
You can even export the flipbooks as a plugin for Wordpress, Drupal or Joomla.

I?ve just got a confirmation email from Flipbuilder.com that this offer is legal. 

And no, i do not earn anything for recommending this offer here. ;)

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Regards,
Matthias









From jana.doughty at livecode.com  Wed Jul 22 06:51:27 2015
From: jana.doughty at livecode.com (Jana Doughty)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:51:27 +0200
Subject: What would you like to read about on the blog?
Message-ID: <e6013182fb40332b639e16ab55737923.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>

Hi LiveCode Community,

Just wanted to say how much I appreciate your feedback on the blog
(Thanks, Bill Prothero!).

I really want to make this the LiveCode community blog by exploring the
ideas and questions you might have.

If you have a particular topic you'd like to see covered on the blog,
please let me know! You can email me directly at
jana.doughty at livecode.com.

If you missed yesterday's blog or you want to explore more of the blog,
you can do that here:
http://livecode.com/how-to-deploy-apps-to-android-devices/

Hope to hear from you soon!

Thanks!

Jana




From andrew at ctech.me  Wed Jul 22 09:16:40 2015
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:16:40 +0000
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <55AEBB0C.7020004@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAHp9Ft-GDmi2QGhSZi-ek-4i+pHCMfc3f3tZXHCrWd4ryOUTGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AEBB0C.7020004@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft8+y-jRr9WyCAQTxREdSGx-hg8sYVm+1aV_Dy_NobTWoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

It's not an issue of earnestness or integrity but of what has been
delivered vs what we were told was going to be delivered.

There is a huge gap between the way things looked when they were presented
to us in April 2013 and the way they look today.

This has been the point of conversation on this list several times. It
isn't a result of being dishonest or the other amusing caricatures you
painted to make a point. It is the result of lets pile more things we might
be able deliver on so that we can get more funding from excited people. Had
the best of intentions, just didn't pan out like they planned.

Will things all be delivered? Yeah, probably. But how many more major
version numbers will it take? How many of them will turn into additional
kickstarters when their revenue stream dries up? Are many of these features
going to end up being mac specific when it gets down to finding out how
hard they are to make cross platform?

That's what I mean when I say trust. Brand fetishism just isn't enough to
live on anymore. The actual performance as a company lately, frankly,
sucks. Since, I know you are going to want examples of why someone might
feel this way:

- On-rev (do I really need to say more? Search the list for on-rev)

-The documentation is scattered, sparse, and most of the code samples are
images. Fun.

-The website is going down an awful lot rendering the point above moot as
it's not available.

-Everything i mentioned above about the disappointments that followed the
"delivery" of the kickstarter campaign.

Runrev's track record isn't dishonesty, it's being confident that they can
follow through on the things they set out to do and do them well. So this
admittance from Kevin that they spent 2x what they raised on the
kickstarter to build Livecode 7 continues to point to that.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:35 PM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>
>  > Price Increase? No big deal.
>
> Even less so when we consider that the "new" price was the price before
> last year's experiment with lower prices.  In fact, it's only $4 more
> than I used to pay for annual renewals with MetaCard back in '98, after
> paying an initial licensing fee of $995.
>
> Some talk about this like it's tennis shoes or other commodities, "Just
> lower the price to sell more!"
>
> The total addressable market for software developer tools is a slender
> fraction of what most consumer apps can aim for.  Look at the bell curve
> and remember that a person needs an IQ of at least 115 just to begin to
> find programming at all interesting.  Race-to-the-bottom pricing just
> doesn't work for such a highly specialized product that can only appeal
> to a relatively slender slice of the gene pool.  Everyone needs shoes,
> but few have any interest at all in programming.
>
>
>  > Commercial vs Open Source Feature Parity? Could also be no big deal
>  > if done with some good intentions.
>
> So far there's been only feature parity, and the only thing Kevin
> discussed in his email is a single Widget add-on for exotic camera
> features, which takes nothing away from any of the other front- or
> back-facing camera commands we have on mobile now, or any of the webcam
> and other image input support on the desktop.
>
> And while I can appreciate Kevin's desire to come up with supplemental
> revenue streams, I suspect he'll find that add-on components for a
> developer tool isn't exactly easy money, so I don't expect this to be a
> major trend.
>
>
>  > Only Subscription licensing? No big deal, helps keep costs down for
>  > us to stay bleeding edge and helps stabilize the income runrev can
>  > count on.
>
> And not at all new.  The switch to subscriptions went into effect more
> than two years ago when the Community Edition premiered.
>
>
>  > But all three of these together? It's kind of obvious why people are
>  > complaining/suspicious of the long term intentions here.
>
> Given that two of those three aren't new and the third (a proprietary
> add-on) doesn't even exist yet, it's less clear to me.
>
> Or maybe it's no more mystifying than anything else we see in any
> reasonably sizable Internet community.  As a population grows to reflect
> larger demographics, we can expect a portion of any group to disagree
> with changes within that group.  And given human nature, those who are
> satisfied with the change will be happily enjoying it rather than
> writing about it, giving disproportionate voice to a relatively small
> subset of the group.
>
> We see this with nearly every aspect of collective human activity, from
> politics to products.
>
> A casual observer might count dissenting posts, but if we look at
> dissenting people the number is much smaller.  And if we look at the
> audience size as a whole and compare the number of dissenting people to
> that, the proportionality becomes even clearer.
>
> This isn't to suggest that contrary views shouldn't be discussed.
> Sometimes great ideas come from vigorous debate.
>
> But the repetition is sometimes a bit much, and in any social situation
> it's always useful to avoid presumptions of bad intentions.
>
>
>  > The issue is trust. In trusting runrev to know how to walk the fine
>  > line with the commercial features/licensing, not any of the issues
>  > individually.
>  > Not everyone is just going to take them for their word with this stuff
>  > anymore.
>
> Why not?
>
> You noted that none of those issues is a big deal at all, so what
> exactly has changed?
>
> When we believe we may have reasons to question someone's future
> behaviors, more informative than conjecture would be to review past
> performance.
>
> We can imagine all sorts of stuff.  I can dream up a world in which
> Kevin graduated from the Larry Ellison School of Annoying Open Source
> Communities, laughing at us all under his top hat in between chomps on
> his cigar as he removes his monacle to say, "Ha!  I fooled you all!"
> There's no limit to the human imagination.
>
> Or we could just look at actual observable performance.
>
> Sure, the company has their share of missteps, and arguably some details
> of the wording of that email are among them.
>
> But what has Kevin or anyone else there ever done to exhibit anything
> less than earnestness in delivering on their stated objectives?
>
> Sure, they don't always get everything right. And like the other 84% of
> projects Steven McConnell reviewed from ACM literature in writing his
> books, they've discovered they're not the first company that can make
> extremely ambitious goals involving complete rewrites across seven
> platforms and do it all on their original estimated schedule.
>
> Lots of areas to improve, in their company, and mine, and perhaps those
> of some of the others here.
>
> But earnestness and integrity?  I've seen nothing that would make me
> question that.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 09:26:06 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 07:26:06 -0600
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <1437559831450-4694196.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <8E65EF4E-4045-465E-8333-AB14A05555D3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrAyaAX-kW67a0=gPWFFtqsA7PpNqQ_7oTCiRzDhT8z7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<19F7DE77-8915-4AC0-9079-10770985B3E3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A89BEDDA-A3E6-4414-94CD-51C7838A222F@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoy0EVnxBj4ut6VSjyv11q6vj_5YWz662kyOraG=hWvEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1437559831450-4694196.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqMry=Gf5R_nyU0msGw=Mr8EtDNZoY=OZ6wJ9QoPNAjBw@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, it works well, whether its a single field or not.  The only instance
where it doesn't work correctly is if click to toggle is on (so that there
are no hilitedlines)  Focus is accepted, but no selection is made.  Of
course with click to toggle on, using arrow keys to select multiple lines
would take custom coding anyway. Your code is similar to mine, the only
addition I made was to select char 1 to 0 when no hilitedline is available.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:10 AM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

> Mike Bonner wrote
> > Very weird.  I can't get arrow keys to work with any list field if the
> > selection is empty.  But hey, all that matters is that it works.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> could you try this on a list field with a hilited line and either a second
> field that can get focus or no other field/control that can get focus and
> test if the arrowkeys work?
>
> put this code into the script of the list field
>
> ----------------------------------
> on focusIn -- when tabbing into field
>    activateLine
> end focusIn
>
> -- in case of tab but no other field/control gets focus, i.e. field is only
> focusable object beside card
> on focusOut
>    send "checkWhoIsFocused" to me in 10 milliseconds
> end focusOut
>
> on checkWhoIsFocused -- restore selection after tabbing while in only
> focusable object
>    if the focusedObject = the long id of me then
>       activateLine
>    end if
> end checkWhoIsFocused
>
> on activateLine
>    put the hilitedLine of me into tHilitedLine
>    if tHilitedLine <> "" then select line tHIlitedLine of me
> end activateLine
> ----------------------------------
>
> Kind regards
>
> Bernd
>
>
>
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Jul 22 09:40:25 2015
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 06:40:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: list field not getting arrowkey msg
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqMry=Gf5R_nyU0msGw=Mr8EtDNZoY=OZ6wJ9QoPNAjBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <347C6FE3-9708-4FB1-BCFC-D57A67EA2414@gmail.com>
	<55AD3A93.9080003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADA7Nnu14U5n_VnCeG6xfEqvgE2muZxrQqi-Y9t0sXaaaWSRmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFpjESjeYsjNip3YNCYUU88syOGog0oGeVg=H5ufDVz_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<19F7DE77-8915-4AC0-9079-10770985B3E3@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoAzXKT+uvKFfK3-CfZB2sp6ejvo_AC=YrrYow0JfQwtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<A89BEDDA-A3E6-4414-94CD-51C7838A222F@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoy0EVnxBj4ut6VSjyv11q6vj_5YWz662kyOraG=hWvEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1437559831450-4694196.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqMry=Gf5R_nyU0msGw=Mr8EtDNZoY=OZ6wJ9QoPNAjBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1437572425834-4694201.post@n4.nabble.com>

Mike, thanks for testing.

this thread made me aware of the problem and I think I will incorporate the
code into my list field.

Kind regards
Bernd


Mike Bonner wrote
> Yep, it works well, whether its a single field or not.  The only instance
> where it doesn't work correctly is if click to toggle is on (so that there
> are no hilitedlines)  Focus is accepted, but no selection is made.  Of
> course with click to toggle on, using arrow keys to select multiple lines
> would take custom coding anyway. Your code is similar to mine, the only
> addition I made was to select char 1 to 0 when no hilitedline is
> available.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:10 AM, BNig &lt;

> bernd.niggemann@

> &gt; wrote:
> 
>> Mike Bonner wrote
>> > Very weird.  I can't get arrow keys to work with any list field if the
>> > selection is empty.  But hey, all that matters is that it works.
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> could you try this on a list field with a hilited line and either a
>> second
>> field that can get focus or no other field/control that can get focus and
>> test if the arrowkeys work?
>>
>> put this code into the script of the list field
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>> on focusIn -- when tabbing into field
>>    activateLine
>> end focusIn
>>
>> -- in case of tab but no other field/control gets focus, i.e. field is
>> only
>> focusable object beside card
>> on focusOut
>>    send "checkWhoIsFocused" to me in 10 milliseconds
>> end focusOut
>>
>> on checkWhoIsFocused -- restore selection after tabbing while in only
>> focusable object
>>    if the focusedObject = the long id of me then
>>       activateLine
>>    end if
>> end checkWhoIsFocused
>>
>> on activateLine
>>    put the hilitedLine of me into tHilitedLine
>>    if tHilitedLine <> "" then select line tHIlitedLine of me
>> end activateLine
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Bernd





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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 12:15:35 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:15:35 +0000
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNbpyAKvw=byTpMMDmkbdc2tJrviDae+HUvocr9uk0jOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,
Haven't come across that before.  600k records is a large number but I've
seen dbs with millions of records in them so it's not unusual.  In any
case, almost every performance problem I've seen revolves around either
selecting or changing data not simply opening the database.

Try executing a PRAGMA integrity_check command after you open the
database.  It checks out the physical integrity of the database and returns
information about any errors it finds.

If that doesn't reveal anything, there are a number of PRAGMA statements
that affect cache size, buffer sizes, etc which might help but I'm not very
familiar with them.  If needed, I can post your problem on the sqlite
mailing list and see if anyone can help.

What platform is this running on?

Pete


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:59 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
> database that has 4 fields:
> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
> unique and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use
> the ID to access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to
> find records based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>
> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have non-unique
> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
> surprised about the open performance  Does opening the database load a
> lot of information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have
> created the database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the
> delay?
>
> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open
> the database with sqlitebrowser.
>
> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>     Mike
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 22 10:03:37 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 07:03:37 -0700
Subject: New License Idea for Hobbyists
In-Reply-To: <6CDB54A6-C430-4B59-B56B-E918238E12C4@mac.com>
References: <6CDB54A6-C430-4B59-B56B-E918238E12C4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55AFA2B9.50405@fourthworld.com>

Roger Guay wrote:

 > Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I am under the impression that
 > Apple will not accept open source code, so I think I need a
 > commercial license. Plus, I think this would give RR a more reliable
 > income scheme than the occasional unsolicited donation.

The company used to have an option specifically for that edge case, in 
which someone wanted to participate in open source and also include iOS 
among their deployment platforms, along with a few other perks as well, 
for US$99:
<http://livecode.com/tag/livecode-membership/>

Given how well the other concerns are already addressed, this Membership 
option seemed useful as it covered the one use case not otherwise handled.

I can't find it at the store, however.  I've CC'd Ben here to see if he 
can chime in on what happened to that Membership program.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at livecode.org




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 22 11:33:36 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:33:36 -0700
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft8+y-jRr9WyCAQTxREdSGx-hg8sYVm+1aV_Dy_NobTWoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHp9Ft8+y-jRr9WyCAQTxREdSGx-hg8sYVm+1aV_Dy_NobTWoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AFB7D0.3060801@fourthworld.com>

Andrew Kluthe wrote:

 > Richard,
 >
 > It's not an issue of earnestness or integrity but of what has been
 > delivered vs what we were told was going to be delivered.
 >
 > There is a huge gap between the way things looked when they were
 > presented to us in April 2013 and the way they look today.
...
 > Will things all be delivered? Yeah, probably. But how many more major
 > version numbers will it take?

We agree that the Road Map as presented and added to since April 2013 is 
being followed faithfully, and the only question you and I have (in 
contrast to those who try to raise doubts about their integrity) isn't 
at all about "what" is being delivered, but merely "when".

I mentioned Steven McConnell because not since Fred Brooks have I found 
a writer whose explorations of software project management are as well 
researched.  In his book Code Complete he notes that more than 80% of 
software projects are over budget, many by a factor of four and 
significant minority by a factor of 16, sometimes more.

Variance between estimated time and actual is affected by many things, 
but one of the biggest is the scope of unknowns introduced by dependency 
on code beyond the control of the team.   With seven platform APIs to 
map LC's internal logic to, we can expect variance to be on the higher 
end of industry averages.

Software project estimation remains a key focus of some of the best 
minds of our industry specifically because getting it right consistently 
proves elusive.

There's a lot that could be said about the challenges inherent in 
estimating, and methods to reduce variance.  And anyone here who's been 
able to consistently beat industry averages is encouraged to share their 
demonstrated experience here.

For myself, when I'm able to beat industry averages in large part it's 
because 90% of my code was written in Edinburgh over many years by 
people much smarter than me.  That's a big part of what keeps me patient 
with the anticipatable delays with LC's Road Map delivery.


 > How many of them will turn into additional kickstarters when their
 > revenue stream dries up?

I doubt there'd be much ROI in a third crowd-funding effort, so I'm not 
all that worried about that.

As for the second one, they promised a proof-of-concept build within a 
year of closing, and it was delivered last week.  Sure, it has a long 
way to go until it's production-ready, as we would expect.  But until 
it's released any contributions to that campaign for licenses haven't 
kicked in yet, so that one isn't a concern for me.


 > Are many of these features going to end up being mac specific when
 > it gets down to finding out how hard they are to make cross platform?

As much as I enjoy my Macs, I'm doing so much more work on Ubuntu these 
days that that's an ongoing question for me too.

But in practice I've been relieved to find that I'm just not seeing that.

So far most of the 2500+ fixes and enhancements put into place over the 
last year and a half benefit all platforms.  Any Mac-specific work at 
this point seems to be limited to the minimum needed to maintain that 
platform as a viable deployment option, such as replacing QT after Apple 
deprecated it and moving to Cocoa as that became necessary.

On the contrary, as an Ubuntu user I've been more than pleased by the 
team's efforts with greater GDK integration in v7.  And since like many 
of us here I make most of my money from Windows deployments, it's been 
good to see how much attention they've been giving the rendering 
subsystem to maintain compatibility there with newer display APIs.


 > That's what I mean when I say trust. Brand fetishism just isn't
 > enough to live on anymore. The actual performance as a company
 > lately, frankly, sucks. Since, I know you are going to want examples
 > of why someone might feel this way:
 >
 > - On-rev (do I really need to say more? Search the list for on-rev)

On-rev is a separate service that doesn't affect my use of LiveCode, and 
given how cheap and plentiful hosting is these days I've never used it 
as I'm already up to my armpits in servers.

That said, it is course run by the same company, so I can appreciate how 
subscribers to that service may have a different view of the company 
than I do, because we rely on them for different things.

There's a lot to be said for the "bowling alley" strategy Geoff Moore 
describes in The Gorilla Game.  But I don't run Kevin's company and he 
doesn't run mine, and we both like it that way.  I got out of the 
hosting business 15 years ago when the margins plummeted.

On balance I feel compelled to note that I have several friends who are 
quite pleased with the service, and since I've never used it myself I 
have no opinion about it beyond that.


 > -The documentation is scattered, sparse, and most of the code samples
 > are images. Fun.

A complete overhaul of all documentation has been underway for some time 
(it's not a small task), and as recently as last week I met with Kevin 
to discuss ways we can speed that along by leveraging the community 
documentation team we've assembled.  Yes, it would be nice to have that 
more quickly, and with any luck we will.

As for images, the code examples I see are in the Dictionary and the 78 
tutorials included in the install, all in plain text.  Where are code 
examples provided as images?  I agree that those should be text.


 > -The website is going down an awful lot rendering the point above
 > moot as it's not available.

Yes, the DDoS attacks were annoying for everyone, but it seems the 
safeguards they put into place last week have held up well since.

The taxonomy definitely needs further refinement, and in addition to the 
work Steven Crighton is doing on that I discussed concerns like yours 
with Kevin last week, and with Steven we're working out a plan to not 
only make things easier to find, but also keep them easier to find as 
the inevitable changes are introduced.

That said, if you have specific examples of resources you'd expect to 
find there but haven't, it would be very helpful to hear what you were 
looking for and how you went about looking for it, so we can try to 
incorporate those expectations into a revised taxonomy.


 > -Everything i mentioned above about the disappointments that followed
 > the "delivery" of the kickstarter campaign.

No argument there; behind stated schedule is simply behind stated 
schedule.  Given that any estimate cannot reflect actual costs the best 
alternative might be to follow the path most companies take by keeping 
their development schedule concealed.  Personally, I prefer the 
openness, though apparently it could do with more caveats well communicated.


 > Runrev's track record isn't dishonesty, it's being confident that
 > they can follow through on the things they set out to do and do them
 > well. So this admittance from Kevin that they spent 2x what they
 > raised on the kickstarter to build Livecode 7 continues to point to
 > that.

All things considered, compared to industry averages a 2x variation for 
the scope they bit off isn't bad. :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 22 12:57:08 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:57:08 -0500
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMRD0OPOgLDHfvGODU6U9SY8CW+xVcq62P50bV+zLh-+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>	<55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMRD0OPOgLDHfvGODU6U9SY8CW+xVcq62P50bV+zLh-+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AFCB64.4030600@hyperactivesw.com>

You double-checked the path to the behavior, right? If there are any 
other handlers in the behavior, do those work?

On 7/22/2015 12:48 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Right, the unhandled is what is throwing me, plus the fact that using send
> results in a runtime error.
>
> As I've found, what I'm doing works in a simplified environment so for some
> reason, this particular behavior isn't being resolved, just can't figure
> out why.
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:44 PM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
>> On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>
>>> I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so there
>>> must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing the
>>> behavior from being resolved.
>>
>> Well, it *should* work. In most cases anyway.
>>
>> The only thing I can think of that would mess it up is if you have a
>> loadData handler somewhere in a frontscript and it isn't passing the
>> message on when it's done.
>>
>> I think of behavior scripts as private backscripts of the parent object.
>> So it should be the next thing in the message path unless a frontscript
>> grabs the message first and never lets go.
>>
>> I don't think that explains the "unhandled" status though, so there may
>> be something else going on.
>>
>> --
>>    Mark Wieder
>>    ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Jul 22 13:43:30 2015
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:43:30 -0400
Subject: New Indy License Correction
In-Reply-To: <5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <DD54D8F2-4CE8-4638-91F5-59317F8B1029@all-auctions.com>

Hi Heather,

I just took advantage of the 2 years of Indy for $499.
My old license wasn?t supposed to expire until March of 2016
according to my account when I logged into it.  

This new license told me it would expire two years from now
July of 2017.  I believe according to Kevin?s email to me that
these 2 years should be tacked onto the end of my other
license.

Could you please update my account accordingly, and send
me a confirmation of what my new expiration date will be?

Thanks,

Rick


> On Jul 14, 2015, at 4:12 AM, Heather Laine <heather at livecode.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear list folks,
> 
> Just to put this one to bed - the Founders package always was and will remain, 100GB storage. If you do not see that in your Founders account then there is either a reporting error or a setup error, both of which we will be happy to correct for you if you email us at the support address for on-rev: support at on-rev.com <mailto:support at on-rev.com> (or on-rev at runrev.com <mailto:on-rev at runrev.com> will also work). 
> 
> I do not think cPanel is reporting space usage correctly by the sound of it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> LiveCode Ltd
> www.livecode.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12 Jul 2015, at 05:29, Simon <simon at asato-media.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok I do have to admit that during the HTML5 crowdfunding I went with the
>> "Lifetime Pro" and there was in the fine print that it meant 10 years. Now
>> for me that indicated some sort of legal speak and that there was probably
>> some enforceable case that 10 years could be deemed a lifetime. But then
>> there is also the case of when I found the Enterprise edition was for $500K
>> (or 50K? some revenue cap) or less on the website. Heather quickly had that
>> fixed.  So that fine print may have been wrong.
>> 
>> Anyways, I like LiveCode Ltd. so not a big problem.
>> 
>> I wonder about the people who have 100 GB storage because though I can't
>> find it, there was a post by Kevin when this came up before (during the move
>> to France) that said we would retain our 50 GB and he'd get right on it.
>> 
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Has-the-founders-on-rev-package-been-reduced-to-25-GB-tp4693856p4693902.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 22 13:56:38 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:56:38 +0200
Subject: New Indy License Correction
In-Reply-To: <DD54D8F2-4CE8-4638-91F5-59317F8B1029@all-auctions.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<DD54D8F2-4CE8-4638-91F5-59317F8B1029@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <C7637CE3-ED6C-4727-A897-D575A3507DB7@m-r-d.de>


such requests should be sent to support at runrev.com instead of posting here.

Regards

Matthias


> Am 22.07.2015 um 19:43 schrieb Rick Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com>:
> 
> Hi Heather,
> 
> I just took advantage of the 2 years of Indy for $499.
> My old license wasn?t supposed to expire until March of 2016
> according to my account when I logged into it.  
> 
> This new license told me it would expire two years from now
> July of 2017.  I believe according to Kevin?s email to me that
> these 2 years should be tacked onto the end of my other
> license.
> 
> Could you please update my account accordingly, and send
> me a confirmation of what my new expiration date will be?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 4:12 AM, Heather Laine <heather at livecode.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear list folks,
>> 
>> Just to put this one to bed - the Founders package always was and will remain, 100GB storage. If you do not see that in your Founders account then there is either a reporting error or a setup error, both of which we will be happy to correct for you if you email us at the support address for on-rev: support at on-rev.com <mailto:support at on-rev.com> (or on-rev at runrev.com <mailto:on-rev at runrev.com> will also work). 
>> 
>> I do not think cPanel is reporting space usage correctly by the sound of it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Heather
>> 
>> 
>> Heather Laine
>> Customer Services Manager
>> LiveCode Ltd
>> www.livecode.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12 Jul 2015, at 05:29, Simon <simon at asato-media.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok I do have to admit that during the HTML5 crowdfunding I went with the
>>> "Lifetime Pro" and there was in the fine print that it meant 10 years. Now
>>> for me that indicated some sort of legal speak and that there was probably
>>> some enforceable case that 10 years could be deemed a lifetime. But then
>>> there is also the case of when I found the Enterprise edition was for $500K
>>> (or 50K? some revenue cap) or less on the website. Heather quickly had that
>>> fixed.  So that fine print may have been wrong.
>>> 
>>> Anyways, I like LiveCode Ltd. so not a big problem.
>>> 
>>> I wonder about the people who have 100 GB storage because though I can't
>>> find it, there was a post by Kevin when this came up before (during the move
>>> to France) that said we would retain our 50 GB and he'd get right on it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Has-the-founders-on-rev-package-been-reduced-to-25-GB-tp4693856p4693902.html
>>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 14:03:07 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:03:07 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <55AFCB64.4030600@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMRD0OPOgLDHfvGODU6U9SY8CW+xVcq62P50bV+zLh-+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AFCB64.4030600@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN7yxDxrF+3xRk+f5bTf+BmY3gGghM-xuoch-B9xm5ZtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, checked it over and over, plus the spelling of the command.  My
lcStackbrowser plugin has a feature where you click on an icon for an
object's behavior and it automatically opens its script - that opens the
correct script so pretty sure all is OK.

I tried dispatching to a different handler - same result.

I have got this to work however.  I deleted the behavior reference and
reset it.  After that, all works well again.  But after quitting LC and
starting it again, the behavior is no longer resolved.

For some reason, the behavior is not being resolved at runtime by LC and
deleting and resetting it forces it to be resolved.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:57 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> You double-checked the path to the behavior, right? If there are any
> other handlers in the behavior, do those work?
>
> On 7/22/2015 12:48 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > Right, the unhandled is what is throwing me, plus the fact that using
> send
> > results in a runtime error.
> >
> > As I've found, what I'm doing works in a simplified environment so for
> some
> > reason, this particular behavior isn't being resolved, just can't figure
> > out why.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:44 PM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> >>
> >>> I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so there
> >>> must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing the
> >>> behavior from being resolved.
> >>
> >> Well, it *should* work. In most cases anyway.
> >>
> >> The only thing I can think of that would mess it up is if you have a
> >> loadData handler somewhere in a frontscript and it isn't passing the
> >> message on when it's done.
> >>
> >> I think of behavior scripts as private backscripts of the parent object.
> >> So it should be the next thing in the message path unless a frontscript
> >> grabs the message first and never lets go.
> >>
> >> I don't think that explains the "unhandled" status though, so there may
> >> be something else going on.
> >>
> >> --
> >>    Mark Wieder
> >>    ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
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>
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 14:18:56 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:18:56 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eN7yxDxrF+3xRk+f5bTf+BmY3gGghM-xuoch-B9xm5ZtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMRD0OPOgLDHfvGODU6U9SY8CW+xVcq62P50bV+zLh-+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AFCB64.4030600@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eN7yxDxrF+3xRk+f5bTf+BmY3gGghM-xuoch-B9xm5ZtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePNq2bpGVgwGCNkn0HPJf6T6jmVW_eNqQvYPVXz64EP0A@mail.gmail.com>

This now ringing a bell with a problem I had a few months ago where many
behaviors were not being resolved.  In that thread, somebody recommended a
repeat loop at startup to go through all objects in the stack, find the
ones with behaviors and set the behavior to its existing property.  That
fixed the problem.  But the current problem is happening in a stack which
was excluded from the behavior reset. I just changed the reset behavior
handler to include it and now all works fine.

Still don;t know why all that should be necessary, maybe it's because the
behavior objects are in a different stack than the objects that reference
them (the stack is referenced in a start using command at startup) but it
works so moving on.

I do recall someone (Richard Gaskin) entering an enhancement request for a
command to reestablish behaviors.  My handler is very fast, not even
noticeable at startup but it would be nice to have an official way to do it.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:03 AM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Yep, checked it over and over, plus the spelling of the command.  My
> lcStackbrowser plugin has a feature where you click on an icon for an
> object's behavior and it automatically opens its script - that opens the
> correct script so pretty sure all is OK.
>
> I tried dispatching to a different handler - same result.
>
> I have got this to work however.  I deleted the behavior reference and
> reset it.  After that, all works well again.  But after quitting LC and
> starting it again, the behavior is no longer resolved.
>
> For some reason, the behavior is not being resolved at runtime by LC and
> deleting and resetting it forces it to be resolved.
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:57 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You double-checked the path to the behavior, right? If there are any
>> other handlers in the behavior, do those work?
>>
>> On 7/22/2015 12:48 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> > Right, the unhandled is what is throwing me, plus the fact that using
>> send
>> > results in a runtime error.
>> >
>> > As I've found, what I'm doing works in a simplified environment so for
>> some
>> > reason, this particular behavior isn't being resolved, just can't figure
>> > out why.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:44 PM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so
>> there
>> >>> must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing the
>> >>> behavior from being resolved.
>> >>
>> >> Well, it *should* work. In most cases anyway.
>> >>
>> >> The only thing I can think of that would mess it up is if you have a
>> >> loadData handler somewhere in a frontscript and it isn't passing the
>> >> message on when it's done.
>> >>
>> >> I think of behavior scripts as private backscripts of the parent
>> object.
>> >> So it should be the next thing in the message path unless a frontscript
>> >> grabs the message first and never lets go.
>> >>
>> >> I don't think that explains the "unhandled" status though, so there may
>> >> be something else going on.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>    Mark Wieder
>> >>    ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 22 14:22:06 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:22:06 -0500
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eN7yxDxrF+3xRk+f5bTf+BmY3gGghM-xuoch-B9xm5ZtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>	<55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>	<CAGDT7eMRD0OPOgLDHfvGODU6U9SY8CW+xVcq62P50bV+zLh-+w@mail.gmail.com>	<55AFCB64.4030600@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eN7yxDxrF+3xRk+f5bTf+BmY3gGghM-xuoch-B9xm5ZtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AFDF4E.7000208@hyperactivesw.com>

Is this one of the behaviors that's dynamically assigned at startup or 
when a stack opens? I wonder if it's assigned too soon, before 
everything has finished loading.

On 7/22/2015 1:03 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Yep, checked it over and over, plus the spelling of the command.  My
> lcStackbrowser plugin has a feature where you click on an icon for an
> object's behavior and it automatically opens its script - that opens the
> correct script so pretty sure all is OK.
>
> I tried dispatching to a different handler - same result.
>
> I have got this to work however.  I deleted the behavior reference and
> reset it.  After that, all works well again.  But after quitting LC and
> starting it again, the behavior is no longer resolved.
>
> For some reason, the behavior is not being resolved at runtime by LC and
> deleting and resetting it forces it to be resolved.
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:57 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You double-checked the path to the behavior, right? If there are any
>> other handlers in the behavior, do those work?
>>
>> On 7/22/2015 12:48 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>> Right, the unhandled is what is throwing me, plus the fact that using
>> send
>>> results in a runtime error.
>>>
>>> As I've found, what I'm doing works in a simplified environment so for
>> some
>>> reason, this particular behavior isn't being resolved, just can't figure
>>> out why.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:44 PM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so there
>>>>> must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing the
>>>>> behavior from being resolved.
>>>>
>>>> Well, it *should* work. In most cases anyway.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing I can think of that would mess it up is if you have a
>>>> loadData handler somewhere in a frontscript and it isn't passing the
>>>> message on when it's done.
>>>>
>>>> I think of behavior scripts as private backscripts of the parent object.
>>>> So it should be the next thing in the message path unless a frontscript
>>>> grabs the message first and never lets go.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that explains the "unhandled" status though, so there may
>>>> be something else going on.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>     Mark Wieder
>>>>     ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Jul 22 14:41:41 2015
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:41:41 -0400
Subject: New Indy License Correction
In-Reply-To: <C7637CE3-ED6C-4727-A897-D575A3507DB7@m-r-d.de>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<DD54D8F2-4CE8-4638-91F5-59317F8B1029@all-auctions.com>
	<C7637CE3-ED6C-4727-A897-D575A3507DB7@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <4CCBC24C-ECB4-4021-8E71-C0D5962DCE49@all-auctions.com>

Hi Matthias,

I made the mistake of using ?Reply? to an old message
which she apparently had sent out to everyone instead of
putting her email into the message directly.

Sorry about that.  My mistake, please ignore my message list members.

Thanks Matthias, I just don?t get enough sleep these days.

Rick


> On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> 
> 
> such requests should be sent to support at runrev.com instead of posting here.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Matthias
> 




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 22 15:02:58 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:02:58 -0700
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePNq2bpGVgwGCNkn0HPJf6T6jmVW_eNqQvYPVXz64EP0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePNq2bpGVgwGCNkn0HPJf6T6jmVW_eNqQvYPVXz64EP0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55AFE8E2.4070108@fourthworld.com>

Peter Haworth wrote:
 > I do recall someone (Richard Gaskin) entering an enhancement request
 > for a command to reestablish behaviors.  My handler is very fast, not
 > even noticeable at startup but it would be nice to have an official
 > way to do it.

Mark Waddingham's comment #8 here suggests a good path forward, in which 
the engine takes care of this for us:
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8993

That was more than a year ago.  I know they've had a lot on their 
plates, but it would be nice to have this one behind us.  Behaviors are 
very useful, but only when they're not confusing. :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Jul 22 15:07:54 2015
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 21:07:54 +0200
Subject: New Indy License Correction
In-Reply-To: <4CCBC24C-ECB4-4021-8E71-C0D5962DCE49@all-auctions.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<DD54D8F2-4CE8-4638-91F5-59317F8B1029@all-auctions.com>
	<C7637CE3-ED6C-4727-A897-D575A3507DB7@m-r-d.de>
	<4CCBC24C-ECB4-4021-8E71-C0D5962DCE49@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <E28422A8-7DA6-4509-8AD9-D5EDC005C129@m-r-d.de>

Rick,

there?s no reason to apologize.

Just wanted to make sure that your request is sent to the right address to get the attention it needs. ;)

Matthias




> Am 22.07.2015 um 20:41 schrieb Rick Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com>:
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> I made the mistake of using ?Reply? to an old message
> which she apparently had sent out to everyone instead of
> putting her email into the message directly.
> 
> Sorry about that.  My mistake, please ignore my message list members.
> 
> Thanks Matthias, I just don?t get enough sleep these days.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> such requests should be sent to support at runrev.com instead of posting here.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From cs_livecode at icloud.com  Wed Jul 22 15:28:30 2015
From: cs_livecode at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:28:30 -0600
Subject: revZip and 64-bit iOS
Message-ID: <08BD0689-5568-4FC6-B823-127EE4FA3FC8@icloud.com>

I?m running into a problem, and wondering if others are/have as well.

I have an iPad app that extracts some media files from a zip archive upon first launching. This works great on an  iPad Mini 1, but fails with the error ?not a zip archive? on an iPad Air 1. I?m running the same exact build with the same exact zip file on both machines. So it?s either a retina device only problem, or it?s a 64-bit problem. Not sure which, but I?m guessing the latter.

I created the latest build of the app with LC 6.7.7 rc-1, but the same issue has occurred since LC 6.7.5.

Anyone else using revZip at all? Does it work for you with these versions of LC when running an app on a 64-bit compatible device?

Thanks,
Chris


--
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 15:39:36 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:39:36 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <55AFDF4E.7000208@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMRD0OPOgLDHfvGODU6U9SY8CW+xVcq62P50bV+zLh-+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AFCB64.4030600@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eN7yxDxrF+3xRk+f5bTf+BmY3gGghM-xuoch-B9xm5ZtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AFDF4E.7000208@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNp3VC5T_KLhaOC2byJD3F67OiR7BrHghDLrrqR4BUuRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well now it's one of the ones that is assigned at startup - it wasn't when
I started this thread.  I'm pretty sure this all has to do with the
engine's resolution of behavior references happening before all stacks are
loaded.

I have all my behaviors in a separate mainstack which is opened in a
preOpenCard handler of the stack whose controls reference the behaviors.
It appears even preOpenCard doesn't happen soon enough to allow the engine
to resolve the behavior references.

I wonder if putting a reference to the behaviors stack in the application
stack's stackFiles property would fix this.  I will try and post the result.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:22 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> Is this one of the behaviors that's dynamically assigned at startup or
> when a stack opens? I wonder if it's assigned too soon, before
> everything has finished loading.
>
> On 7/22/2015 1:03 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > Yep, checked it over and over, plus the spelling of the command.  My
> > lcStackbrowser plugin has a feature where you click on an icon for an
> > object's behavior and it automatically opens its script - that opens the
> > correct script so pretty sure all is OK.
> >
> > I tried dispatching to a different handler - same result.
> >
> > I have got this to work however.  I deleted the behavior reference and
> > reset it.  After that, all works well again.  But after quitting LC and
> > starting it again, the behavior is no longer resolved.
> >
> > For some reason, the behavior is not being resolved at runtime by LC and
> > deleting and resetting it forces it to be resolved.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:57 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> You double-checked the path to the behavior, right? If there are any
> >> other handlers in the behavior, do those work?
> >>
> >> On 7/22/2015 12:48 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> >>> Right, the unhandled is what is throwing me, plus the fact that using
> >> send
> >>> results in a runtime error.
> >>>
> >>> As I've found, what I'm doing works in a simplified environment so for
> >> some
> >>> reason, this particular behavior isn't being resolved, just can't
> figure
> >>> out why.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:44 PM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so
> there
> >>>>> must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing
> the
> >>>>> behavior from being resolved.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, it *should* work. In most cases anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only thing I can think of that would mess it up is if you have a
> >>>> loadData handler somewhere in a frontscript and it isn't passing the
> >>>> message on when it's done.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think of behavior scripts as private backscripts of the parent
> object.
> >>>> So it should be the next thing in the message path unless a
> frontscript
> >>>> grabs the message first and never lets go.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't think that explains the "unhandled" status though, so there
> may
> >>>> be something else going on.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>     Mark Wieder
> >>>>     ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
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>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 15:41:34 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:41:34 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <55AFE8E2.4070108@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePNq2bpGVgwGCNkn0HPJf6T6jmVW_eNqQvYPVXz64EP0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AFE8E2.4070108@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO9xtZL9DSazJV8QD2Ga7yhHCdtd5UAMdSsvx31O4Z7Tw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Richard.  Read Mark's comment and I agree his solution sounds like
the best way forward.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:05 PM Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Peter Haworth wrote:
>  > I do recall someone (Richard Gaskin) entering an enhancement request
>  > for a command to reestablish behaviors.  My handler is very fast, not
>  > even noticeable at startup but it would be nice to have an official
>  > way to do it.
>
> Mark Waddingham's comment #8 here suggests a good path forward, in which
> the engine takes care of this for us:
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8993
>
> That was more than a year ago.  I know they've had a lot on their
> plates, but it would be nice to have this one behind us.  Behaviors are
> very useful, but only when they're not confusing. :)
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 15:43:12 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:43:12 +0000
Subject: New Indy License Correction
In-Reply-To: <4CCBC24C-ECB4-4021-8E71-C0D5962DCE49@all-auctions.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<DD54D8F2-4CE8-4638-91F5-59317F8B1029@all-auctions.com>
	<C7637CE3-ED6C-4727-A897-D575A3507DB7@m-r-d.de>
	<4CCBC24C-ECB4-4021-8E71-C0D5962DCE49@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePJV_ZXUwg_jEeoZkkRmfo7g0Bzq8z4OHPBHu8Lt2e_+Q@mail.gmail.com>

It should have gone to Helen of course but I'm glad I saw it otherwise I
might not have checked the new expiration date when I renew.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:42 AM Rick Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com>
wrote:

> Hi Matthias,
>
> I made the mistake of using ?Reply? to an old message
> which she apparently had sent out to everyone instead of
> putting her email into the message directly.
>
> Sorry about that.  My mistake, please ignore my message list members.
>
> Thanks Matthias, I just don?t get enough sleep these days.
>
> Rick
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <
> matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> >
> >
> > such requests should be sent to support at runrev.com instead of posting
> here.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Matthias
> >
>
>
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From jhj at jhj.com  Wed Jul 22 16:20:28 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:20:28 -0700
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
Message-ID: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>

Hello bug chasers,

This is regarding bug report 11142:
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11142&list_id=33024

I first reported this almost 2 years ago, and it had been happening for a while before that. I just received a note from Panos that it is fixed in 6.7.6 and probably before. It is still broken for me so I reopened the bug report. I just tested it in LC 5.5.4 and 6.7.6 with no externals or plugins and it still fails. It has never been observed to fail at RR HQ.

I?m running OSX 10.10.4 with a stock Apple wired keyboard.

Anybody else? Its quick to check with the recipe there.

Thanks,
Jerry




From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 16:40:32 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:40:32 +0000
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOTG=EdAUP4TkFjyfDKWKe7RUpHXtrfEE+wYyNtdtzogg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jerry,
The keyboard shortcut to uncomment works for me.  This is on OSX 10.10.4
and LC 6.6.5

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:20 PM Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:

> Hello bug chasers,
>
> This is regarding bug report 11142:
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11142&list_id=33024
>
> I first reported this almost 2 years ago, and it had been happening for a
> while before that. I just received a note from Panos that it is fixed in
> 6.7.6 and probably before. It is still broken for me so I reopened the bug
> report. I just tested it in LC 5.5.4 and 6.7.6 with no externals or plugins
> and it still fails. It has never been observed to fail at RR HQ.
>
> I?m running OSX 10.10.4 with a stock Apple wired keyboard.
>
> Anybody else? Its quick to check with the recipe there.
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry
>
>
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From colinholgate at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 16:48:26 2015
From: colinholgate at gmail.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:48:26 -0400
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOTG=EdAUP4TkFjyfDKWKe7RUpHXtrfEE+wYyNtdtzogg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<CAGDT7eOTG=EdAUP4TkFjyfDKWKe7RUpHXtrfEE+wYyNtdtzogg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3B2681C-BF2F-4745-8DDE-566C28C38F6D@gmail.com>

It works for me too. I used the bug report stack and followed the directions carefully. Command - comments, Command shift - uncomments.

I tried in 7.0.5, under Mac OS 10.11.


> On Jul 22, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerry,
> The keyboard shortcut to uncomment works for me.  This is on OSX 10.10.4
> and LC 6.6.5
> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:20 PM Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello bug chasers,
>> 
>> This is regarding bug report 11142:
>> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11142&list_id=33024
>> 
>> I first reported this almost 2 years ago, and it had been happening for a
>> while before that. I just received a note from Panos that it is fixed in
>> 6.7.6 and probably before. It is still broken for me so I reopened the bug
>> report. I just tested it in LC 5.5.4 and 6.7.6 with no externals or plugins
>> and it still fails. It has never been observed to fail at RR HQ.
>> 
>> I?m running OSX 10.10.4 with a stock Apple wired keyboard.
>> 
>> Anybody else? Its quick to check with the recipe there.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jerry
>> 
>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 16:46:41 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:46:41 -0400
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>

Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue 
that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as expected.

ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is 
80 char.
tag is currently not being used so empty
local is a mac file path:  of the form /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx

How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with 
sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the 
database with an index?

Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My DataBase 
expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser, 
then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about PRAMAs 
or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will 
give it a try.

-= Mike




On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very short, a
> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
>
> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite database
>> that has 4 fields:
>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null unique
>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the ID to
>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find records
>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>>
>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have non-unique
>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just surprised
>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created the
>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
>>
>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open the
>> database with sqlitebrowser.
>>
>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be appreciated.
>>
>> Regards,
>>     Mike
>>
>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Jul 22 16:58:33 2015
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 13:58:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <1437598713373-4694222.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Jerry,

using your stack commenting and uncommenting works from the keyboard using
MacOSX 10.9.5 and
LC 7.1 DP1
LC 6.6.5

have you assigned a system wide shortcut via system preferences -> keyboard
by any chance? Just a guess.

Kind regards
Bernd



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From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Jul 22 17:06:29 2015
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 14:06:29 -0700
Subject: Char Set on Custom Properties
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7425.1437593989.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7425.1437593989.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B4E76CAB-166C-4028-AF7B-9407336DAD3F@clearvisiontech.com>

Hello!   Way back in LiveCode 5 and 6, custom properties were not ported to the proper character set when you opened the stack on a different platform (Mac --> Win or Win --> Mac).  This was easily solved by a simple macToISO() or ISOtoMac().   However, it appears that LC 7.x is now doing this char mapping for custom properties on it's own.  Before I modify a mountain of code, can anyone confirm that LC 7+ automatically maps custom properties to the proper char set for the host platform?

Thanks!
Dan


From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 17:11:47 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 21:11:47 +0000
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNbxQrFcPXQX76BjU2BE+U8xwe2yMkjGd3Wb7bAnFCZjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,
Out of interest, when you say it takes a long time to open the database,
how long do you mean?

Also, where is the database located?  On your Mac's hard drive, external
drive, on a network?

I'm a bit confused as to the number of records.  Your original email said
600,000+ records, but you mentioned that the ID field (which is defined as
unique) has values from 1 to 60400.  Maybe a type somewhere?

You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE, that's
how sqlite enforces that constraint.

Don't worry about indexes for now.  They on;y help if you are having
problems with how long it takes to execute your select commands and this
problem is occurring long before then.

PRAGMAs are just another type of sqlite statement. After opening your
database, do this:

put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"PRAGMA integrity_check)) into tResult
put tResult

gDBID is just the variable with your connection ID in it so replace it with
your variable name.

The message box will open and you'll see the output from the PRAGMA
command.  It it begins with "revdberr",Livecode detected an error with the
statement for some reason.  If the PRAGMA does not find any error it
returns OK.  Anything else, there's corruption in your database.

Let me know the result of the integrity check and we'll go from there.



On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as expected.
>
> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is
> 80 char.
> tag is currently not being used so empty
> local is a mac file path:  of the form /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>
> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the
> database with an index?
>
> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My DataBase
> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser,
> then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about PRAMAs
> or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will
> give it a try.
>
> -= Mike
>
>
>
>
> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
> > An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very short,
> a
> > couple of the longest and a couple of average.
> >
> > How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
> database
> >> that has 4 fields:
> >> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
> unique
> >> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the
> ID to
> >> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find
> records
> >> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
> >>
> >> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
> >> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have non-unique
> >> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
> surprised
> >> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
> >> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created the
> >> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
> >>
> >> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open
> the
> >> database with sqlitebrowser.
> >>
> >> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>     Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
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> >>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 17:12:24 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:12:24 -0600
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp7mpDVFbtGa0YpC3D15ODaxczw3m6TOqB+mbOvCdztfA@mail.gmail.com>

If its on an external usb drive, part of the wait is most likely the drive
wake up time. To test, move the file to a local drive and try it from
there, OR, open the drive in finder first and poke around a little to make
sure the drive is live, then try to open the database and see if it solves
the issue.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as expected.
>
> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is 80
> char.
> tag is currently not being used so empty
> local is a mac file path:  of the form /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>
> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the database
> with an index?
>
> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My DataBase
> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser, then
> added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about PRAMAs or even
> how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will give it a try.
>
> -= Mike
>
>
>
>
> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>
>> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very short, a
>> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
>>
>> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite database
>>> that has 4 fields:
>>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null unique
>>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the ID
>>> to
>>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find records
>>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>>>
>>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
>>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have non-unique
>>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
>>> surprised
>>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
>>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created the
>>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
>>>
>>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open
>>> the
>>> database with sqlitebrowser.
>>>
>>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>     Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Jul 22 17:13:29 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 23:13:29 +0200
Subject: Char Set on Custom Properties
In-Reply-To: <B4E76CAB-166C-4028-AF7B-9407336DAD3F@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <mailman.7425.1437593989.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<B4E76CAB-166C-4028-AF7B-9407336DAD3F@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <55B00779.4080507@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Dan,

Not exactly. All text is now unicode. If you set a custom property to 
the text of a field, it is unicode already. When you set the text of a 
field to a property, it is again unicode. This avoids the need for 
mapping and other hacks.

I haven't tested this much. I can imagine that this is confusing, 
particularly if you work with stacks on both old and new formats. If you 
only use the new format, however, it is very convenient and you will 
quickly get used to it.

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On 7/22/2015 23:06, Dan Friedman wrote:
> Hello!   Way back in LiveCode 5 and 6, custom properties were not ported to the proper character set when you opened the stack on a different platform (Mac --> Win or Win --> Mac).  This was easily solved by a simple macToISO() or ISOtoMac().   However, it appears that LC 7.x is now doing this char mapping for custom properties on it's own.  Before I modify a mountain of code, can anyone confirm that LC 7+ automatically maps custom properties to the proper char set for the host platform?
>
> Thanks!
> Dan




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 22 17:37:38 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 21:37:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>

Jerry-

Sorry to report that it works for me.
Command-underscore comments
Command-shift-underscore removes comments

OSX 10.10.4
LC 6.7.7 rc1
Mac Air
no third-party components

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 22 18:22:34 2015
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides, MD)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:22:34 -0400
Subject: New Indy License Correction
In-Reply-To: <DD54D8F2-4CE8-4638-91F5-59317F8B1029@all-auctions.com>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>
	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>
	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>
	<DD54D8F2-4CE8-4638-91F5-59317F8B1029@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <C940DEBB-88FD-4DEA-B51E-6E4ECA53CD56@earthlink.net>

Rick, 

It might be better if you just sent an email to Heather directly at support at runrev.com (if my memory is correct). There's no guarantee that she'll see a post here, but she's really good about replying to emails and resolving problems like these.

Marian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Rick Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Heather,
> 
> I just took advantage of the 2 years of Indy for $499.
> My old license wasn?t supposed to expire until March of 2016
> according to my account when I logged into it.  
> 
> This new license told me it would expire two years from now
> July of 2017.  I believe according to Kevin?s email to me that
> these 2 years should be tacked onto the end of my other
> license.
> 
> Could you please update my account accordingly, and send
> me a confirmation of what my new expiration date will be?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 22 18:32:38 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:32:38 +0000
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNp3VC5T_KLhaOC2byJD3F67OiR7BrHghDLrrqR4BUuRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>
	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMRD0OPOgLDHfvGODU6U9SY8CW+xVcq62P50bV+zLh-+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AFCB64.4030600@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eN7yxDxrF+3xRk+f5bTf+BmY3gGghM-xuoch-B9xm5ZtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55AFDF4E.7000208@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eNp3VC5T_KLhaOC2byJD3F67OiR7BrHghDLrrqR4BUuRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePp0fsr56f1sfOQ1EM6HMEuMaW9vK3a34f+kkqOqzZNpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Put a reference to the behavior stack in the stackFiles property of my
application stack and commented out the startup handler.  It works!



On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:39 PM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Well now it's one of the ones that is assigned at startup - it wasn't when
> I started this thread.  I'm pretty sure this all has to do with the
> engine's resolution of behavior references happening before all stacks are
> loaded.
>
> I have all my behaviors in a separate mainstack which is opened in a
> preOpenCard handler of the stack whose controls reference the behaviors.
> It appears even preOpenCard doesn't happen soon enough to allow the engine
> to resolve the behavior references.
>
> I wonder if putting a reference to the behaviors stack in the application
> stack's stackFiles property would fix this.  I will try and post the result.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:22 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Is this one of the behaviors that's dynamically assigned at startup or
>> when a stack opens? I wonder if it's assigned too soon, before
>> everything has finished loading.
>>
>> On 7/22/2015 1:03 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> > Yep, checked it over and over, plus the spelling of the command.  My
>> > lcStackbrowser plugin has a feature where you click on an icon for an
>> > object's behavior and it automatically opens its script - that opens the
>> > correct script so pretty sure all is OK.
>> >
>> > I tried dispatching to a different handler - same result.
>> >
>> > I have got this to work however.  I deleted the behavior reference and
>> > reset it.  After that, all works well again.  But after quitting LC and
>> > starting it again, the behavior is no longer resolved.
>> >
>> > For some reason, the behavior is not being resolved at runtime by LC and
>> > deleting and resetting it forces it to be resolved.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:57 AM J. Landman Gay <
>> jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> You double-checked the path to the behavior, right? If there are any
>> >> other handlers in the behavior, do those work?
>> >>
>> >> On 7/22/2015 12:48 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> >>> Right, the unhandled is what is throwing me, plus the fact that using
>> >> send
>> >>> results in a runtime error.
>> >>>
>> >>> As I've found, what I'm doing works in a simplified environment so for
>> >> some
>> >>> reason, this particular behavior isn't being resolved, just can't
>> figure
>> >>> out why.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:44 PM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so
>> there
>> >>>>> must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing
>> the
>> >>>>> behavior from being resolved.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Well, it *should* work. In most cases anyway.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The only thing I can think of that would mess it up is if you have a
>> >>>> loadData handler somewhere in a frontscript and it isn't passing the
>> >>>> message on when it's done.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think of behavior scripts as private backscripts of the parent
>> object.
>> >>>> So it should be the next thing in the message path unless a
>> frontscript
>> >>>> grabs the message first and never lets go.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't think that explains the "unhandled" status though, so there
>> may
>> >>>> be something else going on.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>>     Mark Wieder
>> >>>>     ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
>> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> >>>> subscription preferences:
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> >> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> >>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 22 18:34:26 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:34:26 +0000
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>
	<76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>
	<66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <3C0F8367-B4DE-4866-A977-BEAFAF09798E@iotecdigital.com>

Oh, that?s easy! I am the only employee of my company, which is by the by a ficticious one, and I pay myself so little, nothing in fact, that I am pondering having to leave myself. 

Bob S


> On Jul 21, 2015, at 09:16 , Chris Sheffield <cs_livecode at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> There are two other limitations to be aware of, if I understand the terms correctly:  1) Your company/organization cannot have more than 5 employees total, and 2) cannot make more than $500,000 per year.
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob,
>> I subscribed to the Indy license with the understanding that it is the same as a commercial license, but for only a single developer.
>> 
>> Hope I'm right.
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:29 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pardon my being late to the party, but I went to the web page and read up, but I still do not know what the ?Indy? version is. I don?t want to miss the pricing deadline, but I also don?t want to subscribe to something then find out it is less than I wanted. 
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 15:50 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Haworth <pete at ...> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm assuming some folks out there got the same email as me regarding the
>>>>> increase in Indy license pricing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From that email, it seems that the Community Edition will no longer have
>>>>> all the same features as the fee-based versions of Livecode.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Comments?
>>>> 
>>>> Been dealt with very nicely by Kevin:
>>>> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24729&start=15
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Mark Wieder
>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
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>> 
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> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 22 18:36:18 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:36:18 +0000
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioNLt1FZtBh8fMWEr2zk=Z=-MmatvH3u9Mkf3ySLRw+jwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eO-1C-0+go-pf9jqJGFc+4NcXEkgD8M-phXoX+bzyphQw@mail.gmail.com>
	<loom.20150702T004851-423@post.gmane.org>
	<D5CCD4EF-A115-4E80-99FD-387A679DAD28@iotecdigital.com>
	<76569C53-D844-46C1-A14F-F13B6EE78B43@earthednet.org>
	<66675647-BB53-4EE3-9213-B4DE61A265C3@icloud.com>
	<CAGASioNLt1FZtBh8fMWEr2zk=Z=-MmatvH3u9Mkf3ySLRw+jwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE46D29A-8A9C-46AD-83B3-BAD506027570@iotecdigital.com>

Wrong thread.

Bob S


> On Jul 21, 2015, at 13:17 , David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> I want to send gzip encoded data back from the LiveCode server I'm working
> on. According to the docs: compress function uses the slob compression
> library.
> 
> And according to Wikipedia
> 
> 
>> The "Content-Encoding"/"Accept-Encoding" and "Transfer-Encoding"/"TE"
>> headers in HTTP <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP>/1.1 allow clients
>> to optionally receive compressed HTTP
>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_compression> responses and (less
>> commonly) to send compressed requests. The specification for HTTP/1.1 (RFC
>> 2616 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616>) specifies three compression
>> methods: "gzip" (RFC 1952 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1952>; the
>> content wrapped in a gzip stream), "deflate" (RFC 1950
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950>; the content wrapped in a
>> zlib-formatted stream), and "compress" (explained in RFC 2616
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616> section 3.5 as "*The encoding
>> format produced by the common UNIX file compression program compress. This
>> format is an adaptive Lempel-Ziv-Welch coding (LZW).*"). Many client
>> libraries, browsers, and server platforms (including Apache
>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server> and Microsoft IIS
>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_IIS>) support gzip. Many
>> agents also support deflate, although several important players incorrectly
>> implement deflate support using the format specified by RFC 1951
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1951> instead of the correct format
>> specified by RFC 1950 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950> (which
>> encapsulates RFC 1951 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1951>). Notably,
>> Internet Explorer versions 6, 7, and 8 report deflate support but do not
>> actually accept RFC 1950 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950> format,
>> making actual use of deflate highly unusual. Many clients accept both RFC
>> 1951 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1951> and RFC 1950
>> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950>-formatted data for the "deflate"
>> compressed method, but a server has no way to detect whether a client will
>> correctly handle RFC 1950 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1950> format.
>> 
> 
> That bodes well. Anyone know if this works with most browsers?
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 22 18:38:08 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:38:08 +0000
Subject: New Indy License Pricing
In-Reply-To: <55AEC99C.1010203@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <487F1CEA-27BE-431A-BFDD-C9899FC130A2@sahores-conseil.com>
	<55AEC48F.9060708@fourthworld.com> <55AEC99C.1010203@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <EA516E31-9199-4B8F-9D12-4A32A0B6976E@iotecdigital.com>

Try playing a MOLRP game with infantile teenagers.

Bob S


On Jul 21, 2015, at 15:37 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>> wrote:

Ask any product manager, or restaurant owner, or retail manager, or
anyone else who thoroughly reviews customer feedback.  Sentiment almost
always skews negative

Which has spawned the sage advice regarding web sites to "never read the comments." Some of the stuff people write behind their veil of annonymity is just horrible.



From jmac at consensustech.com  Wed Jul 22 18:49:39 2015
From: jmac at consensustech.com (Jim MacConnell)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:49:39 -0700
Subject: New Indy License Correction
In-Reply-To: <C940DEBB-88FD-4DEA-B51E-6E4ECA53CD56@earthlink.net>
References: <1436574064182-4693856.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAG1cpSoan7BGQgh_jEQPM5HONHWfw7131j7NB0i4G60=EbWjnw@mail.gmail.com>	<001801d0bb79$00a03280$01e09780$@net>	<1436577333487-4693864.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAG1cpSqZjVGLknP01NfcbCL3RpDVbV0gb4782QXgEfwZn70sSw@mail.gmail.com>	<507338AD-5E4D-4BE7-B4D7-2A4747029C7B@pacifier.com>	<1436675381418-4693902.post@n4.nabble.com>	<5358D8C4-5CB7-4048-8F11-689EED7AA751@livecode.com>	<DD54D8F2-4CE8-4638-91F5-59317F8B1029@all-auctions.com>
	<C940DEBB-88FD-4DEA-B51E-6E4ECA53CD56@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <027a01d0c4d0$b117c0f0$134742d0$@consensustech.com>

Can confirm Heather's great and is the go to person for anything license related. She resolved exactly the same situation for me.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Marian Petrides, MD [mailto:mpetrides at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 3:23 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: New Indy License Correction

Rick, 

It might be better if you just sent an email to Heather directly at support at runrev.com (if my memory is correct). There's no guarantee that she'll see a post here, but she's really good about replying to emails and resolving problems like these.

Marian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Rick Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Heather,
> 
> I just took advantage of the 2 years of Indy for $499.
> My old license wasn?t supposed to expire until March of 2016 according 
> to my account when I logged into it.
> 
> This new license told me it would expire two years from now July of 
> 2017.  I believe according to Kevin?s email to me that these 2 years 
> should be tacked onto the end of my other license.
> 
> Could you please update my account accordingly, and send me a 
> confirmation of what my new expiration date will be?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 

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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 19:28:53 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 19:28:53 -0400
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNbxQrFcPXQX76BjU2BE+U8xwe2yMkjGd3Wb7bAnFCZjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>	<CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>	<55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNbxQrFcPXQX76BjU2BE+U8xwe2yMkjGd3Wb7bAnFCZjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B02735.6070400@gmail.com>

I just updated the database and it now has 608436 records.  Sorry for 
the typo. it was 604000.

How long to open - 216 seconds.

I timed put revDataFromQuery(,,db_id,"select * from mydatabase") into 
tResult
it was 26 seconds.

216 to open and 26 to copy all of the data into a variable.  This seems 
odd to me.

The database is on the main internal drive (same as OS) in folder with 
the stack that is accessing the database.

The result of the integrity check is "ok"


On 7/22/15 5:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> Out of interest, when you say it takes a long time to open the database,
> how long do you mean?
>
> Also, where is the database located?  On your Mac's hard drive, external
> drive, on a network?
>
> I'm a bit confused as to the number of records.  Your original email said
> 600,000+ records, but you mentioned that the ID field (which is defined as
> unique) has values from 1 to 60400.  Maybe a type somewhere?
>
> You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE, that's
> how sqlite enforces that constraint.
>
> Don't worry about indexes for now.  They on;y help if you are having
> problems with how long it takes to execute your select commands and this
> problem is occurring long before then.
>
> PRAGMAs are just another type of sqlite statement. After opening your
> database, do this:
>
> put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"PRAGMA integrity_check)) into tResult
> put tResult
>
> gDBID is just the variable with your connection ID in it so replace it with
> your variable name.
>
> The message box will open and you'll see the output from the PRAGMA
> command.  It it begins with "revdberr",Livecode detected an error with the
> statement for some reason.  If the PRAGMA does not find any error it
> returns OK.  Anything else, there's corruption in your database.
>
> Let me know the result of the integrity check and we'll go from there.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
>> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as expected.
>>
>> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
>> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is
>> 80 char.
>> tag is currently not being used so empty
>> local is a mac file path:  of the form /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>>
>> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
>> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
>> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the
>> database with an index?
>>
>> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My DataBase
>> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser,
>> then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about PRAMAs
>> or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will
>> give it a try.
>>
>> -= Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very short,
>> a
>>> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
>>>
>>> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
>> database
>>>> that has 4 fields:
>>>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
>> unique
>>>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the
>> ID to
>>>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find
>> records
>>>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>>>>
>>>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
>>>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have non-unique
>>>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
>> surprised
>>>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
>>>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created the
>>>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
>>>>
>>>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open
>> the
>>>> database with sqlitebrowser.
>>>>
>>>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>      Mike
>>>>
>>>>
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From jhj at jhj.com  Wed Jul 22 19:56:14 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:56:14 -0700
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>


> On Jul 22, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> Jerry-
> 
> Sorry to report that it works for me.
> Command-underscore comments
> Command-shift-underscore removes comments
> 
> OSX 10.10.4
> LC 6.7.7 rc1
> Mac Air
> no third-party components

Thanks Mark, Peter, Colin and Bernd. Very mysterious! I?ll try it on a few other computers at work when I get back there tomorrow.
.Jerry





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 22 19:58:25 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:58:25 -0700
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNbxQrFcPXQX76BjU2BE+U8xwe2yMkjGd3Wb7bAnFCZjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>	<CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>	<55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNbxQrFcPXQX76BjU2BE+U8xwe2yMkjGd3Wb7bAnFCZjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B02E21.3010400@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/22/2015 02:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE, that's
> how sqlite enforces that constraint.

Doh! You're right.
I could swear the documentation said you had to compile sqlite with a 
non-default compiler option to get this to happen, but the reality is 
that you have to do that to *prevent* it from happening. So do you know 
if the indices are stored with the database or are they just recreated 
at each load? That might explain the long wait times on open.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From rjb at robelko.com  Wed Jul 22 20:41:32 2015
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 02:41:32 +0200
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
	<4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <p06240889d1d5e8940331@[192.168.1.94]>

On 22.07.2015 at 16:56 Uhr -0700 Jerry Jensen apparently wrote:
>
>Thanks Mark, Peter, Colin and Bernd. Very mysterious! I'll try it on 
>a few other computers at work when I get back there tomorrow.
>.Jerry
>

Have you checked whether the behavior is keyboard related by chance?

RObert



From paul at livecode.org  Wed Jul 22 20:50:39 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:50:39 -0700
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
	<4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <A2C3312D-621E-4D54-91CA-965D381967CD@livecode.org>

This has never worked for me on OS X with any version of LC and I had just got used to ignoring it. I have checked for conflicts and can?t find any.

The strange thing is, the shortcut causes the ?Edit? menu to flash as though it is being chosen, then I found that if I click the ?Edit? menu once so it stays open and then use the shortcut it works! - Strange.

But now seeing this works for other people I decided to play around with the keyboard control panel, under the ?Shortcuts? tab I added an App Shortcut for all applications as ?Uncomment? with the key combination of 'shift ctrl -?. Well that shortcut doesn?t work, but it does show as the shortcut for ?Uncomment? in the ?Edit? menu of LC, but oddly, ?shift cmd -? does sort of work with LC 6 & 7 (not 5).

Now if the insertion cursor is on a line of commented text within a handler, using the shortcut will uncomment this line and also attempt to uncomment the line above, however, if the insertion cursor is on a line of commented text outside of a handler, using the shortcut will uncomment just the one line.

I can add my comments to the bug report if you think it will help. I?m using LC7.0.6(rc3) on OS X 10.10.4

Baffled.

Paul


> On Jul 22, 2015, at 16:56, Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Jerry-
>> 
>> Sorry to report that it works for me.
>> Command-underscore comments
>> Command-shift-underscore removes comments
>> 
>> OSX 10.10.4
>> LC 6.7.7 rc1
>> Mac Air
>> no third-party components
> 
> Thanks Mark, Peter, Colin and Bernd. Very mysterious! I?ll try it on a few other computers at work when I get back there tomorrow.
> .Jerry
> 
> 
> 
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Regards,

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paul at livecode.org






From jhj at jhj.com  Wed Jul 22 20:55:25 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:55:25 -0700
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <p06240889d1d5e8940331@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
	<4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
	<p06240889d1d5e8940331@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <6BA2C1A0-B68D-4C05-A421-F528DC0E20E4@jhj.com>


> On Jul 22, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
> 
> On 22.07.2015 at 16:56 Uhr -0700 Jerry Jensen apparently wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Mark, Peter, Colin and Bernd. Very mysterious! I'll try it on a few other computers at work when I get back there tomorrow.
>> .Jerry
>> 
> 
> Have you checked whether the behavior is keyboard related by chance?

Thanks for the suggestion, Robert.

Yep - two different wired Apple keyboards (with and without numeric keypad) plugged directly into the MacBookPro or into a Thunderblt monitor. Also checked the System Preferences Keyboard pane - no joy. This also happened with some former MacBookPros. When I have a chance, I?ll configure a virgin minimal system to try.
.Jerry




From jhj at jhj.com  Wed Jul 22 20:59:19 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:59:19 -0700
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <A2C3312D-621E-4D54-91CA-965D381967CD@livecode.org>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
	<4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
	<A2C3312D-621E-4D54-91CA-965D381967CD@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <97B8FEA7-E47F-4395-893F-7DEB678A0AB1@jhj.com>

Oh thank you Paul! I am not crazy (well, not about that anyway!). What model computer are you using?
Yes, please add this to the comments in the bug report. I do think it will help.
.Jerry

> On Jul 22, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
> This has never worked for me on OS X with any version of LC and I had just got used to ignoring it. I have checked for conflicts and can?t find any.
> 
> The strange thing is, the shortcut causes the ?Edit? menu to flash as though it is being chosen, then I found that if I click the ?Edit? menu once so it stays open and then use the shortcut it works! - Strange.
> 
> But now seeing this works for other people I decided to play around with the keyboard control panel, under the ?Shortcuts? tab I added an App Shortcut for all applications as ?Uncomment? with the key combination of 'shift ctrl -?. Well that shortcut doesn?t work, but it does show as the shortcut for ?Uncomment? in the ?Edit? menu of LC, but oddly, ?shift cmd -? does sort of work with LC 6 & 7 (not 5).
> 
> Now if the insertion cursor is on a line of commented text within a handler, using the shortcut will uncomment this line and also attempt to uncomment the line above, however, if the insertion cursor is on a line of commented text outside of a handler, using the shortcut will uncomment just the one line.
> 
> I can add my comments to the bug report if you think it will help. I?m using LC7.0.6(rc3) on OS X 10.10.4
> 
> Baffled.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 16:56, Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 2:37 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jerry-
>>> 
>>> Sorry to report that it works for me.
>>> Command-underscore comments
>>> Command-shift-underscore removes comments
>>> 
>>> OSX 10.10.4
>>> LC 6.7.7 rc1
>>> Mac Air
>>> no third-party components
>> 
>> Thanks Mark, Peter, Colin and Bernd. Very mysterious! I?ll try it on a few other computers at work when I get back there tomorrow.
>> .Jerry
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul Hibbert
> paul at livecode.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 22 21:24:18 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:24:18 -0700
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <97B8FEA7-E47F-4395-893F-7DEB678A0AB1@jhj.com>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>	<4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>	<A2C3312D-621E-4D54-91CA-965D381967CD@livecode.org>
	<97B8FEA7-E47F-4395-893F-7DEB678A0AB1@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <55B04242.70606@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/22/2015 05:59 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:

> Oh thank you Paul! I am not crazy

I don't think that's a logical conclusion...
it just means that now there are two of you.

<g>

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Jul 22 21:28:41 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:28:41 -0700
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNp3VC5T_KLhaOC2byJD3F67OiR7BrHghDLrrqR4BUuRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>	<55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>	<CAGDT7eMRD0OPOgLDHfvGODU6U9SY8CW+xVcq62P50bV+zLh-+w@mail.gmail.com>	<55AFCB64.4030600@hyperactivesw.com>	<CAGDT7eN7yxDxrF+3xRk+f5bTf+BmY3gGghM-xuoch-B9xm5ZtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<55AFDF4E.7000208@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eNp3VC5T_KLhaOC2byJD3F67OiR7BrHghDLrrqR4BUuRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B04349.1040001@ahsoftware.net>

On 07/22/2015 12:39 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Well now it's one of the ones that is assigned at startup - it wasn't when
> I started this thread.  I'm pretty sure this all has to do with the
> engine's resolution of behavior references happening before all stacks are
> loaded.
>
> I have all my behaviors in a separate mainstack which is opened in a
> preOpenCard handler of the stack whose controls reference the behaviors.
> It appears even preOpenCard doesn't happen soon enough to allow the engine
> to resolve the behavior references.

Yeah, I'd bet money that's exactly what's happening.
Since the behaviors are in a stack that hasn't been loaded yet, the 
engine is *helpfully* nulling those out to keep you out of trouble. And 
all that happens before preOpenCard (and possibly preOpenStack) has a 
chance to come into play.

-- 
  Mark Wieder
  ahsoftware at gmail.com



From paul at livecode.org  Wed Jul 22 21:41:49 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:41:49 -0700
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <97B8FEA7-E47F-4395-893F-7DEB678A0AB1@jhj.com>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
	<4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
	<A2C3312D-621E-4D54-91CA-965D381967CD@livecode.org>
	<97B8FEA7-E47F-4395-893F-7DEB678A0AB1@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <C4230F84-1B0D-4B5A-B6EF-EFAF8C6EF7A3@livecode.org>

I normally work on a 2009 iMac, but I?ve just installed LC 7.1.0(dp1) on my 2015 MacBook Pro and it?s doing exactly the same as the iMac, i.e. it doesn?t work correctly and adding the system shortcut is only a partial workaround. The MBP is also on OS X 10.10.4.

I?ll head over to the bug report now.

Paul


> On Jul 22, 2015, at 17:59, Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh thank you Paul! I am not crazy (well, not about that anyway!). What model computer are you using?
> Yes, please add this to the comments in the bug report. I do think it will help.
> .Jerry
> 





From paul at livecode.org  Wed Jul 22 21:53:54 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 18:53:54 -0700
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <55B04242.70606@ahsoftware.net>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
	<4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
	<A2C3312D-621E-4D54-91CA-965D381967CD@livecode.org>
	<97B8FEA7-E47F-4395-893F-7DEB678A0AB1@jhj.com>
	<55B04242.70606@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <EC24CAC8-B086-4649-A1F8-990082CEE835@livecode.org>

Probably more, but at least we?re in good company!!! :)

Paul

> On Jul 22, 2015, at 18:24, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> On 07/22/2015 05:59 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote:
> 
>> Oh thank you Paul! I am not crazy
> 
> I don't think that's a logical conclusion...
> it just means that now there are two of you.
> 
> <g>
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Thu Jul 23 01:11:05 2015
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:11:05 -0700
Subject: Split by null
Message-ID: <26ADD397-8373-4C55-9141-7DDC227139D7@me.com>

A heads up:

	split tText by cr and null

works differently in LiveCode 7 than it did in LC 6. The cr parameter is OK, but the null adds another cr when this expression is used in LC 7.

You use the split command to build an array from a list in a field.

I was befuddled when I got bad results when sorting an array in LC 7 while using the same script that worked well in LC 6. I eliminated the ?and null? and all was well.

Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 23 02:13:53 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 01:13:53 -0500
Subject: Behavior question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePp0fsr56f1sfOQ1EM6HMEuMaW9vK3a34f+kkqOqzZNpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEC844.3090708@hyperactivesw.com>	<55AEC882.3060209@fourthworld.com>	<CAGDT7eMkU6SrYH1Jb95B+m+jv56=O04Xqh=36RnmzxsrVbO73Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7eMPH+eyn0WxZ5u42iPSZ0EYqS42g7maxXn0=mE3caJ85g@mail.gmail.com>	<55AF1190.7000407@ahsoftware.net>	<CAGDT7eMRD0OPOgLDHfvGODU6U9SY8CW+xVcq62P50bV+zLh-+w@mail.gmail.com>	<55AFCB64.4030600@hyperactivesw.com>	<CAGDT7eN7yxDxrF+3xRk+f5bTf+BmY3gGghM-xuoch-B9xm5ZtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<55AFDF4E.7000208@hyperactivesw.com>	<CAGDT7eNp3VC5T_KLhaOC2byJD3F67OiR7BrHghDLrrqR4BUuRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePp0fsr56f1sfOQ1EM6HMEuMaW9vK3a34f+kkqOqzZNpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B08621.5070209@hyperactivesw.com>

I never would have thought of that. What a handy tip.


On 7/22/2015 5:32 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Put a reference to the behavior stack in the stackFiles property of my
> application stack and commented out the startup handler.  It works!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:39 PM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
>> Well now it's one of the ones that is assigned at startup - it wasn't when
>> I started this thread.  I'm pretty sure this all has to do with the
>> engine's resolution of behavior references happening before all stacks are
>> loaded.
>>
>> I have all my behaviors in a separate mainstack which is opened in a
>> preOpenCard handler of the stack whose controls reference the behaviors.
>> It appears even preOpenCard doesn't happen soon enough to allow the engine
>> to resolve the behavior references.
>>
>> I wonder if putting a reference to the behaviors stack in the application
>> stack's stackFiles property would fix this.  I will try and post the result.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:22 AM J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is this one of the behaviors that's dynamically assigned at startup or
>>> when a stack opens? I wonder if it's assigned too soon, before
>>> everything has finished loading.
>>>
>>> On 7/22/2015 1:03 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>>> Yep, checked it over and over, plus the spelling of the command.  My
>>>> lcStackbrowser plugin has a feature where you click on an icon for an
>>>> object's behavior and it automatically opens its script - that opens the
>>>> correct script so pretty sure all is OK.
>>>>
>>>> I tried dispatching to a different handler - same result.
>>>>
>>>> I have got this to work however.  I deleted the behavior reference and
>>>> reset it.  After that, all works well again.  But after quitting LC and
>>>> starting it again, the behavior is no longer resolved.
>>>>
>>>> For some reason, the behavior is not being resolved at runtime by LC and
>>>> deleting and resetting it forces it to be resolved.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:57 AM J. Landman Gay <
>>> jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You double-checked the path to the behavior, right? If there are any
>>>>> other handlers in the behavior, do those work?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/22/2015 12:48 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>>>>> Right, the unhandled is what is throwing me, plus the fact that using
>>>>> send
>>>>>> results in a runtime error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I've found, what I'm doing works in a simplified environment so for
>>>>> some
>>>>>> reason, this particular behavior isn't being resolved, just can't
>>> figure
>>>>>> out why.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:44 PM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 07/21/2015 04:55 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just tried a very simple test in another stack and it worked so
>>> there
>>>>>>>> must be something in the stack with the problem that is preventing
>>> the
>>>>>>>> behavior from being resolved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, it *should* work. In most cases anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only thing I can think of that would mess it up is if you have a
>>>>>>> loadData handler somewhere in a frontscript and it isn't passing the
>>>>>>> message on when it's done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think of behavior scripts as private backscripts of the parent
>>> object.
>>>>>>> So it should be the next thing in the message path unless a
>>> frontscript
>>>>>>> grabs the message first and never lets go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think that explains the "unhandled" status though, so there
>>> may
>>>>>>> be something else going on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>      Mark Wieder
>>>>>>>      ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>
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From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 23 03:18:05 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:18:05 +0100
Subject: shell() question
Message-ID: <CAGASioOw0RvET3_zZ-pEjH882Jb8kv9xvbYpT-TVU6qxw2KnJA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm wandering if there is a neat trick to pass data to a shell command via
STDIN. The only thing I know how to do is either:

   1. Write a bash script that accepts an input param and call this
   2. put shell ("echo 'some text' | shellThing")

Is there a neater way?


From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 23 03:28:47 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:28:47 +0100
Subject: shell() question
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOw0RvET3_zZ-pEjH882Jb8kv9xvbYpT-TVU6qxw2KnJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOw0RvET3_zZ-pEjH882Jb8kv9xvbYpT-TVU6qxw2KnJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioMEO9b8hTiYey+eZQ=kpnnOndHu1R40pF04w1wdc19r-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Well I found one - though I'm not sure it is strictly legal:

  put "<some text" into $LIVECODEVAR
>   put shell ("echo $LIVECODEVAR | shellThing -q")
>

which is great. I don't "think" this pollutes the environment, as AFAIK
shell() is in it's own space (like opening a tab in the terminal) - but are
there any issues?

I'd like to try writing to a process - as I think you can do the equivalent
of shell with a commandline tool. Does anyone have an example - and can
explain "elevated" process - the docs are a bit sparse. Is elevated like
sudo?


On 23 July 2015 at 08:18, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:

> I'm wandering if there is a neat trick to pass data to a shell command via
> STDIN. The only thing I know how to do is either:
>
>    1. Write a bash script that accepts an input param and call this
>    2. put shell ("echo 'some text' | shellThing")
>
> Is there a neater way?
>


From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Jul 23 03:52:41 2015
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:52:41 +0200
Subject: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>

Hi,

when I try to access livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> I am getting a ?too many redirects? error. Is it just me or is it a general problem?

Best,

malte




From tate83 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 03:55:12 2015
From: tate83 at gmail.com (Pascal Lehner)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:55:12 +0200
Subject: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?
In-Reply-To: <28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <CANi4YQZwrBBOzHbwoxtQef_MiKiKkz-taSk8yBzyvwRtcPezxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
Works for me from Switzerland.

Best,
Pascal


2015-07-23 9:52 GMT+02:00 Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>:

> Hi,
>
> when I try to access livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> I am getting a
> ?too many redirects? error. Is it just me or is it a general problem?
>
> Best,
>
> malte
>
>
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From tore.nilsen at me.com  Thu Jul 23 04:01:50 2015
From: tore.nilsen at me.com (Tore Nilsen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:01:50 +0200
Subject: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?
In-Reply-To: <28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <28F083D3-2C63-4155-95B2-6F9CBEB02A55@me.com>

Works for me from my hotel here in the south of France as well. 

Tore


> 23. jul. 2015 kl. 09.52 skrev Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> when I try to access livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> I am getting a ?too many redirects? error. Is it just me or is it a general problem?
> 
> Best,
> 
> malte
> 
> 
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From alex at harryscollar.com  Thu Jul 23 04:03:52 2015
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:03:52 +1000
Subject: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?
In-Reply-To: <28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <55B09FE8.3080204@harryscollar.com>

Fails here on Chrome but fine on Firefox & Safari.

regards
alex
On 23/07/2015 5:52 pm, Malte Brill wrote:
> Hi,
>
> when I try to access livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> I am getting a ?too many redirects? error. Is it just me or is it a general problem?
>
> Best,
>
> malte
>
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jul 23 04:36:08 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:36:08 +0200
Subject: AW: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?
In-Reply-To: <28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <001901d0c522$9fb789b0$df269d10$@kestner.de>

Hi Malte,

I know this error from other sites, using Chrome on Windows and it is not releated to the server, it?s a browser thing. If you are also using chrome, clear the browser cache and cockies and everything works fine again.

Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Malte Brill
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2015 09:53
An: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Betreff: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?

Hi,

when I try to access livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> I am getting a ?too many redirects? error. Is it just me or is it a general problem?

Best,

malte


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From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jul 23 05:01:03 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:01:03 +0200
Subject: AW: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?
In-Reply-To: <001901d0c522$9fb789b0$df269d10$@kestner.de>
References: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
	<001901d0c522$9fb789b0$df269d10$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <002c01d0c526$1a7ca5b0$4f75f110$@kestner.de>

Now I get the same error :(

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2015 10:36
An: 'How to use LiveCode'
Betreff: AW: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?

Hi Malte,

I know this error from other sites, using Chrome on Windows and it is not releated to the server, it?s a browser thing. If you are also using chrome, clear the browser cache and cockies and everything works fine again.

Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2015 09:53
An: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Betreff: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?

Hi,

when I try to access livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> I am getting a ?too many redirects? error. Is it just me or is it a general problem?

Best,

malte


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From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Jul 23 05:03:30 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:03:30 +0200
Subject: AW: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?
In-Reply-To: <001901d0c522$9fb789b0$df269d10$@kestner.de>
References: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
	<001901d0c522$9fb789b0$df269d10$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <002d01d0c526$72b380a0$581a81e0$@kestner.de>

On windows - chrome: error: too many redirects
On windows - firefox: works fine

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2015 10:36
An: 'How to use LiveCode'
Betreff: AW: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?

Hi Malte,

I know this error from other sites, using Chrome on Windows and it is not releated to the server, it?s a browser thing. If you are also using chrome, clear the browser cache and cockies and everything works fine again.

Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Malte Brill
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2015 09:53
An: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Betreff: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?

Hi,

when I try to access livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> I am getting a ?too many redirects? error. Is it just me or is it a general problem?

Best,

malte


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From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 23 06:30:05 2015
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan Stenhouse)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:30:05 +0200
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1437645602.8797.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1437645602.8797.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP198E529AFCB435429AA6D08A5820@phx.gbl>

The uncomment keyboard shortcut has never worked for me either, would love if it did.

Interestingly, after someone posted about holding open the menu and then trying it, it does work. Haven?t investigated further though.

Wonder if it?s possibly related to having multiple keyboard languages available. 

Was surprised to hear from many that it works fine for them?!! Thought that it was again, one of those things?

cheers

Alan

On 23 Jul 2015, at 12:00 pm, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> I normally work on a 2009 iMac, but I?ve just installed LC 7.1.0(dp1) on my 2015 MacBook Pro and it?s doing exactly the same as the iMac, i.e. it doesn?t work correctly and adding the system shortcut is only a partial workaround. The MBP is also on OS X 10.10.4.
> 
> I?ll head over to the bug report now.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 17:59, Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh thank you Paul! I am not crazy (well, not about that anyway!). What model computer are you using?
>> Yes, please add this to the comments in the bug report. I do think it will help.
>> .Jerry




From dmilne at ihug.co.nz  Thu Jul 23 07:53:51 2015
From: dmilne at ihug.co.nz (David Milne)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:53:51 +1200
Subject: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?
Message-ID: <CAOqd6WrDoqMDqzwmhi5aa-5opDiGXn3igeYqOToq24=WwT+RyQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am having the same problem of getting to livecode.com from Auckland, New
Zealand. I tried to visit the blog, but was told that there were too many
redirects.

I have never had this trouble before, as have probably most of the others
on the list who are complaining about not getting through.

No doubt, there are workarounds, but I think that the timing suggests
 there is something else going on as well.

Regards
David Milne


From mark at livecode.com  Thu Jul 23 08:33:06 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:33:06 +0100
Subject: shell() question
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioMEO9b8hTiYey+eZQ=kpnnOndHu1R40pF04w1wdc19r-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOw0RvET3_zZ-pEjH882Jb8kv9xvbYpT-TVU6qxw2KnJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMEO9b8hTiYey+eZQ=kpnnOndHu1R40pF04w1wdc19r-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A6C2FBC-9E49-4D30-B04C-5BE0FB1BC862@livecode.com>

The shell function inherits its environment from LC so there's no issue here.

You can also use open process for update, write to it then read from it.

The elevated version of open process prompts for authentication and then runs the process as administrator. It uses system support for UI based prompting - it works well on windows and Mac (which have builtin support), Linux support is a little more patchy as it requires gksu (iirc) to work.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Jul 2015, at 08:28, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> Well I found one - though I'm not sure it is strictly legal:
> 
>  put "<some text" into $LIVECODEVAR
>>  put shell ("echo $LIVECODEVAR | shellThing -q")
> 
> which is great. I don't "think" this pollutes the environment, as AFAIK
> shell() is in it's own space (like opening a tab in the terminal) - but are
> there any issues?
> 
> I'd like to try writing to a process - as I think you can do the equivalent
> of shell with a commandline tool. Does anyone have an example - and can
> explain "elevated" process - the docs are a bit sparse. Is elevated like
> sudo?
> 
> 
>> On 23 July 2015 at 08:18, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm wandering if there is a neat trick to pass data to a shell command via
>> STDIN. The only thing I know how to do is either:
>> 
>>   1. Write a bash script that accepts an input param and call this
>>   2. put shell ("echo 'some text' | shellThing")
>> 
>> Is there a neater way?
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From mark at livecode.com  Thu Jul 23 08:38:16 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:38:16 +0100
Subject: Char Set on Custom Properties
In-Reply-To: <B4E76CAB-166C-4028-AF7B-9407336DAD3F@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <mailman.7425.1437593989.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<B4E76CAB-166C-4028-AF7B-9407336DAD3F@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <B631E529-3A74-4B79-B530-BDD69D82D180@livecode.com>

LC 7 knows the difference between binary and text - this is retained when saving custom props (if you save in 7+ format).

The only rub is that for existing stacks in the old format custom props will be taken to be binary data (which auto converts to text assuming the native encoding). Thus you will need to still do the charset translation there for the props that are text. If you then textdecode that and set the property to the result and save in lc7 format then it will then be treated as text in future (so no charset translation is required in future).

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Jul 2015, at 22:06, Dan Friedman <dan at clearvisiontech.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello!   Way back in LiveCode 5 and 6, custom properties were not ported to the proper character set when you opened the stack on a different platform (Mac --> Win or Win --> Mac).  This was easily solved by a simple macToISO() or ISOtoMac().   However, it appears that LC 7.x is now doing this char mapping for custom properties on it's own.  Before I modify a mountain of code, can anyone confirm that LC 7+ automatically maps custom properties to the proper char set for the host platform?
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan
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From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 23 08:57:11 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:57:11 +0100
Subject: shell() question
In-Reply-To: <0A6C2FBC-9E49-4D30-B04C-5BE0FB1BC862@livecode.com>
References: <CAGASioOw0RvET3_zZ-pEjH882Jb8kv9xvbYpT-TVU6qxw2KnJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMEO9b8hTiYey+eZQ=kpnnOndHu1R40pF04w1wdc19r-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A6C2FBC-9E49-4D30-B04C-5BE0FB1BC862@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioOCq7ZD8nzYBo59q4KofuSGZK48ROYU9=-AFfDnuMDwxA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mark. I'm going to give "open process for update" a spin. Is this
something that you would consider robust enough to be used in a long
running server type context?

So we can have a Livecode server communicating with these processes and
serving out processed results over sockets to a web server for instance -
or is this something we should only consider for short run - get the
process up and running then shut it down interactions?

I guess it is a blocking operation...

On 23 July 2015 at 13:33, Mark Waddingham <mark at livecode.com> wrote:

> The shell function inherits its environment from LC so there's no issue
> here.
>
> You can also use open process for update, write to it then read from it.
>
> The elevated version of open process prompts for authentication and then
> runs the process as administrator. It uses system support for UI based
> prompting - it works well on windows and Mac (which have builtin support),
> Linux support is a little more patchy as it requires gksu (iirc) to work.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 23 Jul 2015, at 08:28, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> >
> > Well I found one - though I'm not sure it is strictly legal:
> >
> >  put "<some text" into $LIVECODEVAR
> >>  put shell ("echo $LIVECODEVAR | shellThing -q")
> >
> > which is great. I don't "think" this pollutes the environment, as AFAIK
> > shell() is in it's own space (like opening a tab in the terminal) - but
> are
> > there any issues?
> >
> > I'd like to try writing to a process - as I think you can do the
> equivalent
> > of shell with a commandline tool. Does anyone have an example - and can
> > explain "elevated" process - the docs are a bit sparse. Is elevated like
> > sudo?
> >
> >
> >> On 23 July 2015 at 08:18, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm wandering if there is a neat trick to pass data to a shell command
> via
> >> STDIN. The only thing I know how to do is either:
> >>
> >>   1. Write a bash script that accepts an input param and call this
> >>   2. put shell ("echo 'some text' | shellThing")
> >>
> >> Is there a neater way?
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From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Jul 23 09:00:37 2015
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:00:37 +0200
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <6BA2C1A0-B68D-4C05-A421-F528DC0E20E4@jhj.com>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
	<4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
	<p06240889d1d5e8940331@[192.168.1.94]>
	<6BA2C1A0-B68D-4C05-A421-F528DC0E20E4@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802d1d695979536@[192.168.1.94]>

On 22.07.2015 at 17:55 Uhr -0700 Jerry Jensen apparently wrote:
>Thanks for the suggestion, Robert.
>
>Yep - two different wired Apple keyboards (with and without numeric 
>keypad) plugged directly into the MacBookPro or into a Thunderblt 
>monitor. Also checked the System Preferences Keyboard pane - no joy. 
>This also happened with some former MacBookPros. When I have a 
>chance, I'll configure a virgin minimal system to try.
>.Jerry

Is that an American keyboard? On some national keyboard layouts, one 
has to press the shift key to produce the underscore itself.

RObert



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Jul 23 10:28:31 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:28:31 -0400
Subject: Split by null
In-Reply-To: <26ADD397-8373-4C55-9141-7DDC227139D7@me.com>
References: <26ADD397-8373-4C55-9141-7DDC227139D7@me.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycP5xF0_XPGxoR0hwtsoU02WWNdVNGPbEY+kAgmmt1UaeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like it's time for a bug report.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:

> A heads up:
>
>         split tText by cr and null
>
> works differently in LiveCode 7 than it did in LC 6. The cr parameter is
> OK, but the null adds another cr when this expression is used in LC 7.
>
> You use the split command to build an array from a list in a field.
>
> I was befuddled when I got bad results when sorting an array in LC 7 while
> using the same script that worked well in LC 6. I eliminated the ?and null?
> and all was well.
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
> UCLA
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From mark at livecode.com  Thu Jul 23 10:32:21 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:32:21 +0100
Subject: Split by null
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP5xF0_XPGxoR0hwtsoU02WWNdVNGPbEY+kAgmmt1UaeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26ADD397-8373-4C55-9141-7DDC227139D7@me.com>
	<CADCoycP5xF0_XPGxoR0hwtsoU02WWNdVNGPbEY+kAgmmt1UaeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7C4CCDD-DB3B-450A-8081-D025666899C1@livecode.com>

Indeed - I already forwarded this to Seb to file :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Jul 2015, at 15:28, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like it's time for a bug report.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A heads up:
>> 
>>        split tText by cr and null
>> 
>> works differently in LiveCode 7 than it did in LC 6. The cr parameter is
>> OK, but the null adds another cr when this expression is used in LC 7.
>> 
>> You use the split command to build an array from a list in a field.
>> 
>> I was befuddled when I got bad results when sorting an array in LC 7 while
>> using the same script that worked well in LC 6. I eliminated the ?and null?
>> and all was well.
>> 
>> Peter Bogdanoff
>> UCLA
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From sebastien.nouat at livecode.com  Thu Jul 23 10:39:33 2015
From: sebastien.nouat at livecode.com (Sebastien Nouat)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:39:33 +0100
Subject: Split by null
In-Reply-To: <C7C4CCDD-DB3B-450A-8081-D025666899C1@livecode.com>
References: <26ADD397-8373-4C55-9141-7DDC227139D7@me.com>
	<CADCoycP5xF0_XPGxoR0hwtsoU02WWNdVNGPbEY+kAgmmt1UaeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<C7C4CCDD-DB3B-450A-8081-D025666899C1@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <55B0FCA5.9040706@livecode.com>

I lost a bit of time trying to reproduce the issue using an input 
actually having NULLs, and could not reproduce.

The recipe is way simpler, and the bug report is there: 
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15641

Regards,

Seb

On 23/07/2015 15:32, Mark Waddingham wrote:
> Indeed - I already forwarded this to Seb to file :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 23 Jul 2015, at 15:28, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like it's time for a bug report.
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> A heads up:
>>>
>>>         split tText by cr and null
>>>
>>> works differently in LiveCode 7 than it did in LC 6. The cr parameter is
>>> OK, but the null adds another cr when this expression is used in LC 7.
>>>
>>> You use the split command to build an array from a list in a field.
>>>
>>> I was befuddled when I got bad results when sorting an array in LC 7 while
>>> using the same script that worked well in LC 6. I eliminated the ?and null?
>>> and all was well.
>>>
>>> Peter Bogdanoff
>>> UCLA
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>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
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From mark at livecode.com  Thu Jul 23 10:39:33 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:39:33 +0100
Subject: shell() question
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOCq7ZD8nzYBo59q4KofuSGZK48ROYU9=-AFfDnuMDwxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioOw0RvET3_zZ-pEjH882Jb8kv9xvbYpT-TVU6qxw2KnJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGASioMEO9b8hTiYey+eZQ=kpnnOndHu1R40pF04w1wdc19r-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A6C2FBC-9E49-4D30-B04C-5BE0FB1BC862@livecode.com>
	<CAGASioOCq7ZD8nzYBo59q4KofuSGZK48ROYU9=-AFfDnuMDwxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A1BC115-2FD9-4044-BAE9-9F77487C99C8@livecode.com>

On the contrary, open process can be used in a non-blocking way - although you do need to poll using read until empty (which returns all available data at that point).

(The read from process command could do with a callback form really - like read from socket has).

I've done this before - you have a controlling process which opens other processes, then every polling interval (100ms say) it does read from empty on all of them then processes any data which comes from them. When a process returns eof from the read it means the process has finished.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Jul 2015, at 13:57, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Mark. I'm going to give "open process for update" a spin. Is this
> something that you would consider robust enough to be used in a long
> running server type context?
> 
> So we can have a Livecode server communicating with these processes and
> serving out processed results over sockets to a web server for instance -
> or is this something we should only consider for short run - get the
> process up and running then shut it down interactions?
> 
> I guess it is a blocking operation...
> 
>> On 23 July 2015 at 13:33, Mark Waddingham <mark at livecode.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The shell function inherits its environment from LC so there's no issue
>> here.
>> 
>> You can also use open process for update, write to it then read from it.
>> 
>> The elevated version of open process prompts for authentication and then
>> runs the process as administrator. It uses system support for UI based
>> prompting - it works well on windows and Mac (which have builtin support),
>> Linux support is a little more patchy as it requires gksu (iirc) to work.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 23 Jul 2015, at 08:28, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I found one - though I'm not sure it is strictly legal:
>>> 
>>> put "<some text" into $LIVECODEVAR
>>>> put shell ("echo $LIVECODEVAR | shellThing -q")
>>> 
>>> which is great. I don't "think" this pollutes the environment, as AFAIK
>>> shell() is in it's own space (like opening a tab in the terminal) - but
>> are
>>> there any issues?
>>> 
>>> I'd like to try writing to a process - as I think you can do the
>> equivalent
>>> of shell with a commandline tool. Does anyone have an example - and can
>>> explain "elevated" process - the docs are a bit sparse. Is elevated like
>>> sudo?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 23 July 2015 at 08:18, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm wandering if there is a neat trick to pass data to a shell command
>> via
>>>> STDIN. The only thing I know how to do is either:
>>>> 
>>>>  1. Write a bash script that accepts an input param and call this
>>>>  2. put shell ("echo 'some text' | shellThing")
>>>> 
>>>> Is there a neater way?
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From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 23 10:46:22 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:46:22 +0100
Subject: Animated LCB Widgets
Message-ID: <CAGASioOqnybpv48eRGYyPEXCT=ALnQXeeJKqirVB7NvOVbPDYg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm thinking of making my first widget. I've a couple of questions
regarding current limitations:

   1. What is currently faster and what is slower than making the
   equivalent widget using grouped controls?
   2. Is the current technology fast and stable enough to create
   interactive game-like elements?

The widget I am thinking of making is fairly ambitious. The reason to make
it in LCB would be if there were performance benefits. Ideally I would like
it to perform well on mobile.

The widget would draw an animated menu when the user touches the screen.
I'd like the animation to be fluid and smooth, or it's not worth doing. 3-6
circular buttons would animate out from the centre and dragging and
releasing the finger / mouse would allow selecting the "menu" item.

When planning an ambitious project like this would it be good practice to
first test it in standard Livecode - then look to transfer this to LCB? Or
would it be better to just dive right in?


From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 23 11:04:22 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:04:22 -0400
Subject: Split by null
In-Reply-To: <26ADD397-8373-4C55-9141-7DDC227139D7@me.com>
References: <26ADD397-8373-4C55-9141-7DDC227139D7@me.com>
Message-ID: <55B10276.1020607@researchware.com>

On 7/23/2015 1:11 AM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
> A heads up:
>
> 	split tText by cr and null
>
> works differently in LiveCode 7 than it did in LC 6. The cr parameter is OK, but the null adds another cr when this expression is used in LC 7.

I am trying to understand what the intent is/was of using "and null" as
it seems to be functionally irrelevant in the example stack. i.e. 'split
tText by cr' and 'split tText by cr and null' produce identical results
in LC6

the 'and null' would only be relevant in the split command if you had
array keys separated from array values by nulls in your data (example
below) and using a null as a delimiter seem odd

put "A"&null&"apple"&cr&"B&null&"bottle"&cr&"C"&null"&"cradle"&cr into
myVariable
split myVariable by cr and null

to presumably get
array[ A ]=apple
array[ B ]=bottle
array[ C ]=cradle

However, the statements above fail in Livecode 6 in that the output you
get is:
array[ 1 ]=A apple
array[ 2 ]=B bottle
array[ 3 ]=C cradle
where the "white space" between A and apple is a null, split fails to do
anything with a null delimiter in LC6 (tested in LC6.7.5)

For data that is just:
Line 1
Line 2
Line 3
the proper syntax seems like it should just be 'split tText by cr'





From ali at runrev.com  Thu Jul 23 11:47:37 2015
From: ali at runrev.com (Ali Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:47:37 +0000
Subject: Split by null
In-Reply-To: <55B10276.1020607@researchware.com>
References: <26ADD397-8373-4C55-9141-7DDC227139D7@me.com>
	<55B10276.1020607@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CAJR0Q1gayJXi4dgcVjgpvG0+j-eXF22FyGget_7537UY-bNBFw@mail.gmail.com>

Moreover, that example succeeds in LC 7!

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:04 PM Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:

> On 7/23/2015 1:11 AM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
> > A heads up:
> >
> >       split tText by cr and null
> >
> > works differently in LiveCode 7 than it did in LC 6. The cr parameter is
> OK, but the null adds another cr when this expression is used in LC 7.
>
> I am trying to understand what the intent is/was of using "and null" as
> it seems to be functionally irrelevant in the example stack. i.e. 'split
> tText by cr' and 'split tText by cr and null' produce identical results
> in LC6
>
> the 'and null' would only be relevant in the split command if you had
> array keys separated from array values by nulls in your data (example
> below) and using a null as a delimiter seem odd
>
> put "A"&null&"apple"&cr&"B&null&"bottle"&cr&"C"&null"&"cradle"&cr into
> myVariable
> split myVariable by cr and null
>
> to presumably get
> array[ A ]=apple
> array[ B ]=bottle
> array[ C ]=cradle
>
> However, the statements above fail in Livecode 6 in that the output you
> get is:
> array[ 1 ]=A apple
> array[ 2 ]=B bottle
> array[ 3 ]=C cradle
> where the "white space" between A and apple is a null, split fails to do
> anything with a null delimiter in LC6 (tested in LC6.7.5)
>
> For data that is just:
> Line 1
> Line 2
> Line 3
> the proper syntax seems like it should just be 'split tText by cr'
>
>
>
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From dwilliams at livecode.com  Thu Jul 23 11:49:46 2015
From: dwilliams at livecode.com (David Williams)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:49:46 +0100
Subject: anyone else having trouble to get to livecode.com?
In-Reply-To: <28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.7297.1437509863.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<28E31BDC-1AB7-4F99-A9FD-8F5525EEC576@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <op.x18gw8tapz0qr8@dickbutt-pc.home>

Hi All,

I just want to confirm that we're looking into this right now, and to  
thank everyone that provided info in this thread.

Regards,

-David

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 08:52:41 +0100, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>  
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> when I try to access livecode.com <http://livecode.com/> I am getting a  
> ?too many redirects? error. Is it just me or is it a general problem?
>
> Best,
>
> malte
>
>
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 23 12:04:58 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:04:58 -0400
Subject: Best practice for when an app is sent to the background?
Message-ID: <55B110AA.1010303@researchware.com>

I have a multi-window (stack) desktop application. In working on some
recent enhancements to the app, I got to thinking about the apps
behavior when a user clicks on a 3rd party app (sending the app to the
background) or minimized/iconifies one or more windows of the app.
Specifically handing the messages:

suspendStack and resumeStack
and
iconifyStack and unIconifyStack

Does anyone out there have any "best practice:" guidance on how these
two message pairs should be handled - how similar are they or what are
the subtle or not so subtle differences in how they should be handled. I
realize that if you just click on another app's window, or another
stack/window in the app, a suspendstack message is sent but not
iconifyStack. If you minimize a window, an suspendStack message and then
an iconifyStack message is sent in that order (with uniconifyStack and
resumeStack being sent when restored).

So it appears to me that iconifyStack/unIconifyStack only need to be
handled is there is something specific your want to do on
minimization/iconification that your would not normally do when a stack
is suspended?

Does anyone know of a technique to differentiate in suspendStack whether
the user is just switching to a different stack/window in the same app
or to a 3rd party app?



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Jul 23 12:07:53 2015
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:07:53 +0100
Subject: Multi-line input control... selectedRange
Message-ID: <DUB114-W530D9A57010908886E8E78ED820@phx.gbl>

Multi-line Input control ? UITextView

selectedRange - read/write - Determines the start index and the length of the text that is to appear as selected.

How is this written ?.. How to present the ?selectedRange? in the script ?
iphoneControlSet inputID, ?selectedRange?, ?

Dixie
 		 	   		  

From martyknappster at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 12:46:00 2015
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:46:00 -0700
Subject: Best practice for when an app is sent to the background?
In-Reply-To: <55B110AA.1010303@researchware.com>
References: <55B110AA.1010303@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <55B11A48.9090203@gmail.com>

If you want to know when a user switches to a different app you can use 
"suspend" and then "resume" to detect when they come back.

Marty Knapp
> I have a multi-window (stack) desktop application. In working on some
> recent enhancements to the app, I got to thinking about the apps
> behavior when a user clicks on a 3rd party app (sending the app to the
> background) or minimized/iconifies one or more windows of the app.
> Specifically handing the messages:
>
> suspendStack and resumeStack
> and
> iconifyStack and unIconifyStack
>
> Does anyone out there have any "best practice:" guidance on how these
> two message pairs should be handled - how similar are they or what are
> the subtle or not so subtle differences in how they should be handled. I
> realize that if you just click on another app's window, or another
> stack/window in the app, a suspendstack message is sent but not
> iconifyStack. If you minimize a window, an suspendStack message and then
> an iconifyStack message is sent in that order (with uniconifyStack and
> resumeStack being sent when restored).
>
> So it appears to me that iconifyStack/unIconifyStack only need to be
> handled is there is something specific your want to do on
> minimization/iconification that your would not normally do when a stack
> is suspended?
>
> Does anyone know of a technique to differentiate in suspendStack whether
> the user is just switching to a different stack/window in the same app
> or to a 3rd party app?
>




From sebastien.nouat at livecode.com  Thu Jul 23 13:08:57 2015
From: sebastien.nouat at livecode.com (Sebastien Nouat)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:08:57 +0100
Subject: Split by null
In-Reply-To: <CAJR0Q1gayJXi4dgcVjgpvG0+j-eXF22FyGget_7537UY-bNBFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26ADD397-8373-4C55-9141-7DDC227139D7@me.com>
	<55B10276.1020607@researchware.com>
	<CAJR0Q1gayJXi4dgcVjgpvG0+j-eXF22FyGget_7537UY-bNBFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B11FA9.3050505@livecode.com>

Hi Peter,

After looking more into the issue, it appears that you have been 
exploiting a bug in LiveCode 6.7 for a long time, that's not a bug in 
LiveCode 7.0 :)

If you change
    by NULL
with
    by ";"
then you will have the same thing in 6.7 as you see with NULL in 7.0: 
the behaviour described in the documentation.

I suggest you to get a look at the bug report 
(http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15641) for more explanations.

Regards,

S?bastien

On 23/07/2015 16:47, Ali Lloyd wrote:
> Moreover, that example succeeds in LC 7!
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:04 PM Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/23/2015 1:11 AM, Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
>>> A heads up:
>>>
>>>        split tText by cr and null
>>>
>>> works differently in LiveCode 7 than it did in LC 6. The cr parameter is
>> OK, but the null adds another cr when this expression is used in LC 7.
>>
>> I am trying to understand what the intent is/was of using "and null" as
>> it seems to be functionally irrelevant in the example stack. i.e. 'split
>> tText by cr' and 'split tText by cr and null' produce identical results
>> in LC6
>>
>> the 'and null' would only be relevant in the split command if you had
>> array keys separated from array values by nulls in your data (example
>> below) and using a null as a delimiter seem odd
>>
>> put "A"&null&"apple"&cr&"B&null&"bottle"&cr&"C"&null"&"cradle"&cr into
>> myVariable
>> split myVariable by cr and null
>>
>> to presumably get
>> array[ A ]=apple
>> array[ B ]=bottle
>> array[ C ]=cradle
>>
>> However, the statements above fail in Livecode 6 in that the output you
>> get is:
>> array[ 1 ]=A apple
>> array[ 2 ]=B bottle
>> array[ 3 ]=C cradle
>> where the "white space" between A and apple is a null, split fails to do
>> anything with a null delimiter in LC6 (tested in LC6.7.5)
>>
>> For data that is just:
>> Line 1
>> Line 2
>> Line 3
>> the proper syntax seems like it should just be 'split tText by cr'
>>
>>
>>
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 23 13:09:23 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:09:23 -0400
Subject: Best practice for when an app is sent to the background?
In-Reply-To: <55B11A48.9090203@gmail.com>
References: <55B110AA.1010303@researchware.com> <55B11A48.9090203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B11FC3.5030403@researchware.com>

On 7/23/2015 12:46 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:
> If you want to know when a user switches to a different app you can
> use "suspend" and then "resume" to detect when they come back.
>

Duh! I completely forgot about suspend/resume in addition to
suspendStack/resumeStack! Thank you.





From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 23 13:46:00 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:46:00 +0000
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <55B02735.6070400@gmail.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNbxQrFcPXQX76BjU2BE+U8xwe2yMkjGd3Wb7bAnFCZjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B02735.6070400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eP9vYW9sLk9XUMV0p0GV5G8evpuJdb0FB8n8ujXO8-z+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,
Those are ridiculously long times!  I can't think of anything obvious that
would cause them.  Mark's question about whether the automatic indexes are
being recreated is a possibility but I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen.

I couldn't tell from your original post if your table has a primary
keydefined, looks like the ID column might be it?  Reason I ask is if would
be worth trying "SELECT <primarykeycolumn> FROM mytable" since selecting
all primary key columns is the absolute fastest select statement on a table
so I'd be interested to see how long it takes.  If you don't have a primary
key defined, use "rowid" instead.

That doesn't help with the open time but it might shed some light and
what's going on.

If you would be willing to share the database with me offline, I'd be happy
to see if I can spot anything.  I'd also be happy to post the problem on
the sqlite developers list but in order to do that, I would need the exact
CREATE statement used to create the table plus any other tables in the
database.  Your sqlitebrowser tool should provide that somewhere.

Pete



On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just updated the database and it now has 608436 records.  Sorry for
> the typo. it was 604000.
>
> How long to open - 216 seconds.
>
> I timed put revDataFromQuery(,,db_id,"select * from mydatabase") into
> tResult
> it was 26 seconds.
>
> 216 to open and 26 to copy all of the data into a variable.  This seems
> odd to me.
>
> The database is on the main internal drive (same as OS) in folder with
> the stack that is accessing the database.
>
> The result of the integrity check is "ok"
>
>
> On 7/22/15 5:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > Hi Michael,
> > Out of interest, when you say it takes a long time to open the database,
> > how long do you mean?
> >
> > Also, where is the database located?  On your Mac's hard drive, external
> > drive, on a network?
> >
> > I'm a bit confused as to the number of records.  Your original email said
> > 600,000+ records, but you mentioned that the ID field (which is defined
> as
> > unique) has values from 1 to 60400.  Maybe a type somewhere?
> >
> > You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE,
> that's
> > how sqlite enforces that constraint.
> >
> > Don't worry about indexes for now.  They on;y help if you are having
> > problems with how long it takes to execute your select commands and this
> > problem is occurring long before then.
> >
> > PRAGMAs are just another type of sqlite statement. After opening your
> > database, do this:
> >
> > put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"PRAGMA integrity_check)) into tResult
> > put tResult
> >
> > gDBID is just the variable with your connection ID in it so replace it
> with
> > your variable name.
> >
> > The message box will open and you'll see the output from the PRAGMA
> > command.  It it begins with "revdberr",Livecode detected an error with
> the
> > statement for some reason.  If the PRAGMA does not find any error it
> > returns OK.  Anything else, there's corruption in your database.
> >
> > Let me know the result of the integrity check and we'll go from there.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
> >> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as expected.
> >>
> >> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
> >> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is
> >> 80 char.
> >> tag is currently not being used so empty
> >> local is a mac file path:  of the form
> /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> >>
> >> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
> >> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
> >> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the
> >> database with an index?
> >>
> >> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My DataBase
> >> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser,
> >> then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about PRAMAs
> >> or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will
> >> give it a try.
> >>
> >> -= Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
> >>> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very
> short,
> >> a
> >>> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
> >>>
> >>> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
> >> database
> >>>> that has 4 fields:
> >>>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
> >> unique
> >>>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the
> >> ID to
> >>>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find
> >> records
> >>>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
> >>>>
> >>>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
> >>>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have
> non-unique
> >>>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
> >> surprised
> >>>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
> >>>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created
> the
> >>>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
> >>>>
> >>>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open
> >> the
> >>>> database with sqlitebrowser.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be
> appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>      Mike
> >>>>
> >>>>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 23 13:47:24 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:47:24 +0000
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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Hi Mark,
I couldn't say for sure but I'm 99% sure the indexes are not recreated each
time the database is opened.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:58 PM Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> On 07/22/2015 02:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> > You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE,
> that's
> > how sqlite enforces that constraint.
>
> Doh! You're right.
> I could swear the documentation said you had to compile sqlite with a
> non-default compiler option to get this to happen, but the reality is
> that you have to do that to *prevent* it from happening. So do you know
> if the indices are stored with the database or are they just recreated
> at each load? That might explain the long wait times on open.
>
> --
>   Mark Wieder
>   ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 23 13:48:41 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:48:41 +0000
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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One more thing Michael - do the names of the auto indexes you're seeing
begin with "sqlite"?  If not, your sqlitebrowser program is creating them
and may be doing something to contribute to the problem.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just updated the database and it now has 608436 records.  Sorry for
> the typo. it was 604000.
>
> How long to open - 216 seconds.
>
> I timed put revDataFromQuery(,,db_id,"select * from mydatabase") into
> tResult
> it was 26 seconds.
>
> 216 to open and 26 to copy all of the data into a variable.  This seems
> odd to me.
>
> The database is on the main internal drive (same as OS) in folder with
> the stack that is accessing the database.
>
> The result of the integrity check is "ok"
>
>
> On 7/22/15 5:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > Hi Michael,
> > Out of interest, when you say it takes a long time to open the database,
> > how long do you mean?
> >
> > Also, where is the database located?  On your Mac's hard drive, external
> > drive, on a network?
> >
> > I'm a bit confused as to the number of records.  Your original email said
> > 600,000+ records, but you mentioned that the ID field (which is defined
> as
> > unique) has values from 1 to 60400.  Maybe a type somewhere?
> >
> > You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE,
> that's
> > how sqlite enforces that constraint.
> >
> > Don't worry about indexes for now.  They on;y help if you are having
> > problems with how long it takes to execute your select commands and this
> > problem is occurring long before then.
> >
> > PRAGMAs are just another type of sqlite statement. After opening your
> > database, do this:
> >
> > put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"PRAGMA integrity_check)) into tResult
> > put tResult
> >
> > gDBID is just the variable with your connection ID in it so replace it
> with
> > your variable name.
> >
> > The message box will open and you'll see the output from the PRAGMA
> > command.  It it begins with "revdberr",Livecode detected an error with
> the
> > statement for some reason.  If the PRAGMA does not find any error it
> > returns OK.  Anything else, there's corruption in your database.
> >
> > Let me know the result of the integrity check and we'll go from there.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
> >> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as expected.
> >>
> >> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
> >> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is
> >> 80 char.
> >> tag is currently not being used so empty
> >> local is a mac file path:  of the form
> /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> >>
> >> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
> >> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
> >> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the
> >> database with an index?
> >>
> >> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My DataBase
> >> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser,
> >> then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about PRAMAs
> >> or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will
> >> give it a try.
> >>
> >> -= Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
> >>> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very
> short,
> >> a
> >>> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
> >>>
> >>> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
> >> database
> >>>> that has 4 fields:
> >>>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
> >> unique
> >>>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the
> >> ID to
> >>>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find
> >> records
> >>>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
> >>>>
> >>>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
> >>>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have
> non-unique
> >>>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
> >> surprised
> >>>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
> >>>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created
> the
> >>>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
> >>>>
> >>>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open
> >> the
> >>>> database with sqlitebrowser.
> >>>>
> >>>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be
> appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>      Mike
> >>>>
> >>>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 23 14:19:50 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:19:50 +0000
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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I use .db without any problems. By the way, why would you want to load the entire data set? I agree that to open any sql database should not take that long. It almost sounds like something is not working as it should and it times out. But on the query side, loading 100?s of 1000?s of records may not be the best way to access the database. And it will be a lot worse if you ever decide to do this remotely. 

It may be time to consider installing mySQL. It?s not a painful process, and it may be a great deal faster for your purposes. 

Bob S


> On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:48 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> One more thing Michael - do the names of the auto indexes you're seeing
> begin with "sqlite"?  If not, your sqlitebrowser program is creating them
> and may be doing something to contribute to the problem.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I just updated the database and it now has 608436 records.  Sorry for
>> the typo. it was 604000.
>> 
>> How long to open - 216 seconds.
>> 
>> I timed put revDataFromQuery(,,db_id,"select * from mydatabase") into
>> tResult
>> it was 26 seconds.
>> 
>> 216 to open and 26 to copy all of the data into a variable.  This seems
>> odd to me.
>> 
>> The database is on the main internal drive (same as OS) in folder with
>> the stack that is accessing the database.
>> 
>> The result of the integrity check is "ok"
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/22/15 5:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> Out of interest, when you say it takes a long time to open the database,
>>> how long do you mean?
>>> 
>>> Also, where is the database located?  On your Mac's hard drive, external
>>> drive, on a network?
>>> 
>>> I'm a bit confused as to the number of records.  Your original email said
>>> 600,000+ records, but you mentioned that the ID field (which is defined
>> as
>>> unique) has values from 1 to 60400.  Maybe a type somewhere?
>>> 
>>> You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE,
>> that's
>>> how sqlite enforces that constraint.
>>> 
>>> Don't worry about indexes for now.  They on;y help if you are having
>>> problems with how long it takes to execute your select commands and this
>>> problem is occurring long before then.
>>> 
>>> PRAGMAs are just another type of sqlite statement. After opening your
>>> database, do this:
>>> 
>>> put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"PRAGMA integrity_check)) into tResult
>>> put tResult
>>> 
>>> gDBID is just the variable with your connection ID in it so replace it
>> with
>>> your variable name.
>>> 
>>> The message box will open and you'll see the output from the PRAGMA
>>> command.  It it begins with "revdberr",Livecode detected an error with
>> the
>>> statement for some reason.  If the PRAGMA does not find any error it
>>> returns OK.  Anything else, there's corruption in your database.
>>> 
>>> Let me know the result of the integrity check and we'll go from there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
>>>> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as expected.
>>>> 
>>>> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
>>>> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is
>>>> 80 char.
>>>> tag is currently not being used so empty
>>>> local is a mac file path:  of the form
>> /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>>>> 
>>>> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
>>>> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
>>>> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the
>>>> database with an index?
>>>> 
>>>> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My DataBase
>>>> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser,
>>>> then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about PRAMAs
>>>> or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will
>>>> give it a try.
>>>> 
>>>> -= Mike
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>>>> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very
>> short,
>>>> a
>>>>> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
>>>> database
>>>>>> that has 4 fields:
>>>>>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
>>>> unique
>>>>>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the
>>>> ID to
>>>>>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find
>>>> records
>>>>>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
>>>>>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have
>> non-unique
>>>>>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
>>>> surprised
>>>>>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
>>>>>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created
>> the
>>>>>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open
>>>> the
>>>>>> database with sqlitebrowser.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be
>> appreciated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>     Mike
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 17:08:13 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 17:08:13 -0400
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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Hey guys,

I think that I have a system issue of some type.   We had a nasty 
thunderstorm last night and we lost power.  Obviously my Mac was 
re-booted.  When I ran my timing tests this morning.   Open was 3 
seconds and loading all the data in to a variable was 1.   Much better.

I just got back from a nice bike ride and tried it again.. some 5 hr 
later with the mac running the whole time.   Open was 93 seconds and 
loading the data was 23.

This tells me that it has nothing to do with livecode or the database, 
but something is going on with my system that is causing a dramatic 
slowdowns.

-= Mike




On 7/23/15 1:46 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> Those are ridiculously long times!  I can't think of anything obvious that
> would cause them.  Mark's question about whether the automatic indexes are
> being recreated is a possibility but I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen.
>
> I couldn't tell from your original post if your table has a primary
> keydefined, looks like the ID column might be it?  Reason I ask is if would
> be worth trying "SELECT <primarykeycolumn> FROM mytable" since selecting
> all primary key columns is the absolute fastest select statement on a table
> so I'd be interested to see how long it takes.  If you don't have a primary
> key defined, use "rowid" instead.
>
> That doesn't help with the open time but it might shed some light and
> what's going on.
>
> If you would be willing to share the database with me offline, I'd be happy
> to see if I can spot anything.  I'd also be happy to post the problem on
> the sqlite developers list but in order to do that, I would need the exact
> CREATE statement used to create the table plus any other tables in the
> database.  Your sqlitebrowser tool should provide that somewhere.
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> I just updated the database and it now has 608436 records.  Sorry for
>> the typo. it was 604000.
>>
>> How long to open - 216 seconds.
>>
>> I timed put revDataFromQuery(,,db_id,"select * from mydatabase") into
>> tResult
>> it was 26 seconds.
>>
>> 216 to open and 26 to copy all of the data into a variable.  This seems
>> odd to me.
>>
>> The database is on the main internal drive (same as OS) in folder with
>> the stack that is accessing the database.
>>
>> The result of the integrity check is "ok"
>>
>>
>> On 7/22/15 5:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> Out of interest, when you say it takes a long time to open the database,
>>> how long do you mean?
>>>
>>> Also, where is the database located?  On your Mac's hard drive, external
>>> drive, on a network?
>>>
>>> I'm a bit confused as to the number of records.  Your original email said
>>> 600,000+ records, but you mentioned that the ID field (which is defined
>> as
>>> unique) has values from 1 to 60400.  Maybe a type somewhere?
>>>
>>> You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE,
>> that's
>>> how sqlite enforces that constraint.
>>>
>>> Don't worry about indexes for now.  They on;y help if you are having
>>> problems with how long it takes to execute your select commands and this
>>> problem is occurring long before then.
>>>
>>> PRAGMAs are just another type of sqlite statement. After opening your
>>> database, do this:
>>>
>>> put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"PRAGMA integrity_check)) into tResult
>>> put tResult
>>>
>>> gDBID is just the variable with your connection ID in it so replace it
>> with
>>> your variable name.
>>>
>>> The message box will open and you'll see the output from the PRAGMA
>>> command.  It it begins with "revdberr",Livecode detected an error with
>> the
>>> statement for some reason.  If the PRAGMA does not find any error it
>>> returns OK.  Anything else, there's corruption in your database.
>>>
>>> Let me know the result of the integrity check and we'll go from there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
>>>> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as expected.
>>>>
>>>> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
>>>> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is
>>>> 80 char.
>>>> tag is currently not being used so empty
>>>> local is a mac file path:  of the form
>> /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>>>> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
>>>> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
>>>> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the
>>>> database with an index?
>>>>
>>>> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My DataBase
>>>> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser,
>>>> then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about PRAMAs
>>>> or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will
>>>> give it a try.
>>>>
>>>> -= Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>>>> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very
>> short,
>>>> a
>>>>> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
>>>>>
>>>>> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
>>>> database
>>>>>> that has 4 fields:
>>>>>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
>>>> unique
>>>>>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the
>>>> ID to
>>>>>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find
>>>> records
>>>>>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
>>>>>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have
>> non-unique
>>>>>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
>>>> surprised
>>>>>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
>>>>>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created
>> the
>>>>>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open
>>>> the
>>>>>> database with sqlitebrowser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be
>> appreciated.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>       Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>> subscription preferences:
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 23 17:15:48 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:15:48 +0000
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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Thanks for letting us know Mike.

You might try running Diskutil to check out your hard drive.  Or maybe the
disk is getting full enough that there's not enough paging space?

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 2:12 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I think that I have a system issue of some type.   We had a nasty
> thunderstorm last night and we lost power.  Obviously my Mac was
> re-booted.  When I ran my timing tests this morning.   Open was 3
> seconds and loading all the data in to a variable was 1.   Much better.
>
> I just got back from a nice bike ride and tried it again.. some 5 hr
> later with the mac running the whole time.   Open was 93 seconds and
> loading the data was 23.
>
> This tells me that it has nothing to do with livecode or the database,
> but something is going on with my system that is causing a dramatic
> slowdowns.
>
> -= Mike
>
>
>
>
> On 7/23/15 1:46 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > Hi Michael,
> > Those are ridiculously long times!  I can't think of anything obvious
> that
> > would cause them.  Mark's question about whether the automatic indexes
> are
> > being recreated is a possibility but I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen.
> >
> > I couldn't tell from your original post if your table has a primary
> > keydefined, looks like the ID column might be it?  Reason I ask is if
> would
> > be worth trying "SELECT <primarykeycolumn> FROM mytable" since selecting
> > all primary key columns is the absolute fastest select statement on a
> table
> > so I'd be interested to see how long it takes.  If you don't have a
> primary
> > key defined, use "rowid" instead.
> >
> > That doesn't help with the open time but it might shed some light and
> > what's going on.
> >
> > If you would be willing to share the database with me offline, I'd be
> happy
> > to see if I can spot anything.  I'd also be happy to post the problem on
> > the sqlite developers list but in order to do that, I would need the
> exact
> > CREATE statement used to create the table plus any other tables in the
> > database.  Your sqlitebrowser tool should provide that somewhere.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> I just updated the database and it now has 608436 records.  Sorry for
> >> the typo. it was 604000.
> >>
> >> How long to open - 216 seconds.
> >>
> >> I timed put revDataFromQuery(,,db_id,"select * from mydatabase") into
> >> tResult
> >> it was 26 seconds.
> >>
> >> 216 to open and 26 to copy all of the data into a variable.  This seems
> >> odd to me.
> >>
> >> The database is on the main internal drive (same as OS) in folder with
> >> the stack that is accessing the database.
> >>
> >> The result of the integrity check is "ok"
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/22/15 5:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> >>> Hi Michael,
> >>> Out of interest, when you say it takes a long time to open the
> database,
> >>> how long do you mean?
> >>>
> >>> Also, where is the database located?  On your Mac's hard drive,
> external
> >>> drive, on a network?
> >>>
> >>> I'm a bit confused as to the number of records.  Your original email
> said
> >>> 600,000+ records, but you mentioned that the ID field (which is defined
> >> as
> >>> unique) has values from 1 to 60400.  Maybe a type somewhere?
> >>>
> >>> You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE,
> >> that's
> >>> how sqlite enforces that constraint.
> >>>
> >>> Don't worry about indexes for now.  They on;y help if you are having
> >>> problems with how long it takes to execute your select commands and
> this
> >>> problem is occurring long before then.
> >>>
> >>> PRAGMAs are just another type of sqlite statement. After opening your
> >>> database, do this:
> >>>
> >>> put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"PRAGMA integrity_check)) into tResult
> >>> put tResult
> >>>
> >>> gDBID is just the variable with your connection ID in it so replace it
> >> with
> >>> your variable name.
> >>>
> >>> The message box will open and you'll see the output from the PRAGMA
> >>> command.  It it begins with "revdberr",Livecode detected an error with
> >> the
> >>> statement for some reason.  If the PRAGMA does not find any error it
> >>> returns OK.  Anything else, there's corruption in your database.
> >>>
> >>> Let me know the result of the integrity check and we'll go from there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
> >>>> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as
> expected.
> >>>>
> >>>> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
> >>>> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is
> >>>> 80 char.
> >>>> tag is currently not being used so empty
> >>>> local is a mac file path:  of the form
> >> /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> >>>> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
> >>>> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
> >>>> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the
> >>>> database with an index?
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My
> DataBase
> >>>> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser,
> >>>> then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about
> PRAMAs
> >>>> or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will
> >>>> give it a try.
> >>>>
> >>>> -= Mike
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
> >>>>> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very
> >> short,
> >>>> a
> >>>>> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
> >>>> database
> >>>>>> that has 4 fields:
> >>>>>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
> >>>> unique
> >>>>>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use
> the
> >>>> ID to
> >>>>>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find
> >>>> records
> >>>>>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I
> am
> >>>>>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have
> >> non-unique
> >>>>>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
> >>>> surprised
> >>>>>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
> >>>>>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created
> >> the
> >>>>>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I
> open
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> database with sqlitebrowser.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be
> >> appreciated.
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>       Mike
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>>>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 17:17:55 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:17:55 -0600
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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Sounds like something is pegging a core to max.  Its been a while but I've
seen instances where the mdnsresponder horks, or the spotlight re-index
takes a left turn. And as  Pete just said, could be a failing drive or lack
of paging.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I think that I have a system issue of some type.   We had a nasty
> thunderstorm last night and we lost power.  Obviously my Mac was
> re-booted.  When I ran my timing tests this morning.   Open was 3 seconds
> and loading all the data in to a variable was 1.   Much better.
>
> I just got back from a nice bike ride and tried it again.. some 5 hr later
> with the mac running the whole time.   Open was 93 seconds and loading the
> data was 23.
>
> This tells me that it has nothing to do with livecode or the database, but
> something is going on with my system that is causing a dramatic slowdowns.
>
> -= Mike
>
>
>
>
> On 7/23/15 1:46 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>> Those are ridiculously long times!  I can't think of anything obvious that
>> would cause them.  Mark's question about whether the automatic indexes are
>> being recreated is a possibility but I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen.
>>
>> I couldn't tell from your original post if your table has a primary
>> keydefined, looks like the ID column might be it?  Reason I ask is if
>> would
>> be worth trying "SELECT <primarykeycolumn> FROM mytable" since selecting
>> all primary key columns is the absolute fastest select statement on a
>> table
>> so I'd be interested to see how long it takes.  If you don't have a
>> primary
>> key defined, use "rowid" instead.
>>
>> That doesn't help with the open time but it might shed some light and
>> what's going on.
>>
>> If you would be willing to share the database with me offline, I'd be
>> happy
>> to see if I can spot anything.  I'd also be happy to post the problem on
>> the sqlite developers list but in order to do that, I would need the exact
>> CREATE statement used to create the table plus any other tables in the
>> database.  Your sqlitebrowser tool should provide that somewhere.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  I just updated the database and it now has 608436 records.  Sorry for
>>> the typo. it was 604000.
>>>
>>> How long to open - 216 seconds.
>>>
>>> I timed put revDataFromQuery(,,db_id,"select * from mydatabase") into
>>> tResult
>>> it was 26 seconds.
>>>
>>> 216 to open and 26 to copy all of the data into a variable.  This seems
>>> odd to me.
>>>
>>> The database is on the main internal drive (same as OS) in folder with
>>> the stack that is accessing the database.
>>>
>>> The result of the integrity check is "ok"
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/22/15 5:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> Out of interest, when you say it takes a long time to open the database,
>>>> how long do you mean?
>>>>
>>>> Also, where is the database located?  On your Mac's hard drive, external
>>>> drive, on a network?
>>>>
>>>> I'm a bit confused as to the number of records.  Your original email
>>>> said
>>>> 600,000+ records, but you mentioned that the ID field (which is defined
>>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>> unique) has values from 1 to 60400.  Maybe a type somewhere?
>>>>
>>>> You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE,
>>>>
>>> that's
>>>
>>>> how sqlite enforces that constraint.
>>>>
>>>> Don't worry about indexes for now.  They on;y help if you are having
>>>> problems with how long it takes to execute your select commands and this
>>>> problem is occurring long before then.
>>>>
>>>> PRAGMAs are just another type of sqlite statement. After opening your
>>>> database, do this:
>>>>
>>>> put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"PRAGMA integrity_check)) into tResult
>>>> put tResult
>>>>
>>>> gDBID is just the variable with your connection ID in it so replace it
>>>>
>>> with
>>>
>>>> your variable name.
>>>>
>>>> The message box will open and you'll see the output from the PRAGMA
>>>> command.  It it begins with "revdberr",Livecode detected an error with
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> statement for some reason.  If the PRAGMA does not find any error it
>>>> returns OK.  Anything else, there's corruption in your database.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know the result of the integrity check and we'll go from there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
>>>>> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as expected.
>>>>>
>>>>> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
>>>>> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is
>>>>> 80 char.
>>>>> tag is currently not being used so empty
>>>>> local is a mac file path:  of the form
>>>>>
>>>> /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>>>
>>>> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
>>>>> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
>>>>> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the
>>>>> database with an index?
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My DataBase
>>>>> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser,
>>>>> then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about PRAMAs
>>>>> or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will
>>>>> give it a try.
>>>>>
>>>>> -= Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very
>>>>>>
>>>>> short,
>>>
>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> database
>>>>>
>>>>>> that has 4 fields:
>>>>>>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> unique
>>>>>
>>>>>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ID to
>>>>>
>>>>>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> records
>>>>>
>>>>>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> non-unique
>>>
>>>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>
>>>>>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
>>>>>>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>
>>>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I
>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> database with sqlitebrowser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>       Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>>> subscription preferences:
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From jhj at jhj.com  Thu Jul 23 17:20:04 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:20:04 -0700
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
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	<p06240802d1d695979536@[192.168.1.94]>
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> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:00 AM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
> 
> On 22.07.2015 at 17:55 Uhr -0700 Jerry Jensen apparently wrote:
>> Thanks for the suggestion, Robert.
>> 
>> Yep - two different wired Apple keyboards (with and without numeric keypad) plugged directly into the MacBookPro or into a Thunderblt monitor. Also checked the System Preferences Keyboard pane - no joy. This also happened with some former MacBookPros. When I have a chance, I'll configure a virgin minimal system to try.
>> .Jerry
> 
> Is that an American keyboard? On some national keyboard layouts, one has to press the shift key to produce the underscore itself.

Yes, a standard American English keyboard. Two different models and the internal keyboard of a MacBookPro.
Some more things its not:
Font in LC Prefs (set to Default 12 or 16)
For sure not a customized shortcut in System Prefs Keyboard pane.
Its not this physical hardware. I made a virgin Mavericks LC 6.7.6 external disk that works fine.
It also works fine on another iMac here with Mavericks and LC 5.5.4.
Its not something lurking in old "My RunRev" folders (now trashed).

Anybody have more suggestions? I have a lot of old stuff on this computer - being a packrat I never throw anything away unless it bites me. How about removing LC Preferences? I forget where they are . . .
.Jerry





From david at viral.academy  Thu Jul 23 17:22:19 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 22:22:19 +0100
Subject: JSON Safe Text
Message-ID: <CAGASioO+1dnF=cGBfF1tUczsLXQ_cp9Y_e2UvRDvD0cV7HeLsg@mail.gmail.com>

Any tricks to ensure that text I receive from an internet (HTML) source -
destined to be placed into a nice pretty JSON wrapper is safe to go? At the
moment it is bugging out somewhere.

I'm placing the text into an array and then using Monte's mergJsonEncode
function to decode it. Usually works fine - but in this case it looks like
the content needs some tidying before I put it into the array.

Hand escaping characters is not really what I want to do - maybe someone
has a function I can use?


From sundown at pacifier.com  Thu Jul 23 18:37:23 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:37:23 -0700
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOfhg9-ypHtfy4kETzU8XPKfP7jU9YWemJ30nkR5Yn72A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNbxQrFcPXQX76BjU2BE+U8xwe2yMkjGd3Wb7bAnFCZjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B02735.6070400@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eP9vYW9sLk9XUMV0p0GV5G8evpuJdb0FB8n8ujXO8-z+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B157BD.9050706@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eOfhg9-ypHtfy4kETzU8XPKfP7jU9YWemJ30nkR5Yn72A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <248B8480-D968-45C3-857B-4E9CF3653A50@pacifier.com>

If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
space on the drive.  Anything below that and
it normal operations like opening files will be
slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
you can speed things up a little by relaunching
the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
a temporary fix.

John Balgenorth




On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Thanks for letting us know Mike.
> 
> You might try running Diskutil to check out your hard drive.  Or maybe the
> disk is getting full enough that there's not enough paging space?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 2:12 PM Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> I think that I have a system issue of some type.   We had a nasty
>> thunderstorm last night and we lost power.  Obviously my Mac was
>> re-booted.  When I ran my timing tests this morning.   Open was 3
>> seconds and loading all the data in to a variable was 1.   Much better.
>> 
>> I just got back from a nice bike ride and tried it again.. some 5 hr
>> later with the mac running the whole time.   Open was 93 seconds and
>> loading the data was 23.
>> 
>> This tells me that it has nothing to do with livecode or the database,
>> but something is going on with my system that is causing a dramatic
>> slowdowns.
>> 
>> -= Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/23/15 1:46 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>> Hi Michael,
>>> Those are ridiculously long times!  I can't think of anything obvious
>> that
>>> would cause them.  Mark's question about whether the automatic indexes
>> are
>>> being recreated is a possibility but I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen.
>>> 
>>> I couldn't tell from your original post if your table has a primary
>>> keydefined, looks like the ID column might be it?  Reason I ask is if
>> would
>>> be worth trying "SELECT <primarykeycolumn> FROM mytable" since selecting
>>> all primary key columns is the absolute fastest select statement on a
>> table
>>> so I'd be interested to see how long it takes.  If you don't have a
>> primary
>>> key defined, use "rowid" instead.
>>> 
>>> That doesn't help with the open time but it might shed some light and
>>> what's going on.
>>> 
>>> If you would be willing to share the database with me offline, I'd be
>> happy
>>> to see if I can spot anything.  I'd also be happy to post the problem on
>>> the sqlite developers list but in order to do that, I would need the
>> exact
>>> CREATE statement used to create the table plus any other tables in the
>>> database.  Your sqlitebrowser tool should provide that somewhere.
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I just updated the database and it now has 608436 records.  Sorry for
>>>> the typo. it was 604000.
>>>> 
>>>> How long to open - 216 seconds.
>>>> 
>>>> I timed put revDataFromQuery(,,db_id,"select * from mydatabase") into
>>>> tResult
>>>> it was 26 seconds.
>>>> 
>>>> 216 to open and 26 to copy all of the data into a variable.  This seems
>>>> odd to me.
>>>> 
>>>> The database is on the main internal drive (same as OS) in folder with
>>>> the stack that is accessing the database.
>>>> 
>>>> The result of the integrity check is "ok"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/22/15 5:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>> Out of interest, when you say it takes a long time to open the
>> database,
>>>>> how long do you mean?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, where is the database located?  On your Mac's hard drive,
>> external
>>>>> drive, on a network?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm a bit confused as to the number of records.  Your original email
>> said
>>>>> 600,000+ records, but you mentioned that the ID field (which is defined
>>>> as
>>>>> unique) has values from 1 to 60400.  Maybe a type somewhere?
>>>>> 
>>>>> You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE,
>>>> that's
>>>>> how sqlite enforces that constraint.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't worry about indexes for now.  They on;y help if you are having
>>>>> problems with how long it takes to execute your select commands and
>> this
>>>>> problem is occurring long before then.
>>>>> 
>>>>> PRAGMAs are just another type of sqlite statement. After opening your
>>>>> database, do this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"PRAGMA integrity_check)) into tResult
>>>>> put tResult
>>>>> 
>>>>> gDBID is just the variable with your connection ID in it so replace it
>>>> with
>>>>> your variable name.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The message box will open and you'll see the output from the PRAGMA
>>>>> command.  It it begins with "revdberr",Livecode detected an error with
>>>> the
>>>>> statement for some reason.  If the PRAGMA does not find any error it
>>>>> returns OK.  Anything else, there's corruption in your database.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me know the result of the integrity check and we'll go from there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
>>>>>> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as
>> expected.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
>>>>>> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is
>>>>>> 80 char.
>>>>>> tag is currently not being used so empty
>>>>>> local is a mac file path:  of the form
>>>> /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>>>>>> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
>>>>>> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
>>>>>> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the
>>>>>> database with an index?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My
>> DataBase
>>>>>> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser,
>>>>>> then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about
>> PRAMAs
>>>>>> or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will
>>>>>> give it a try.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -= Mike
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>>>>>> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very
>>>> short,
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
>>>>>> database
>>>>>>>> that has 4 fields:
>>>>>>>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
>>>>>> unique
>>>>>>>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use
>> the
>>>>>> ID to
>>>>>>>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find
>>>>>> records
>>>>>>>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I
>> am
>>>>>>>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have
>>>> non-unique
>>>>>>>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
>>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
>>>>>>>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I
>> open
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> database with sqlitebrowser.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be
>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>      Mike
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 23 18:53:30 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 22:53:30 +0000
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <BE0EC3E2-4029-48F3-B540-226A6B4CDB7F@jhj.com>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
	<4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
	<p06240889d1d5e8940331@[192.168.1.94]>
	<6BA2C1A0-B68D-4C05-A421-F528DC0E20E4@jhj.com>
	<p06240802d1d695979536@[192.168.1.94]>
	<BE0EC3E2-4029-48F3-B540-226A6B4CDB7F@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMdLFcLRLNCzUU=NGpi4EBgL384TQ20q0tpOLvw8qKPCw@mail.gmail.com>

Out of interest, what comment characters and indent do you have set in
Livecode Preferences?  I have "--" and indent of 3 and wondering if some
combination of those settings might trigger the problem.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 2:20 PM Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:

>
> > On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:00 AM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 22.07.2015 at 17:55 Uhr -0700 Jerry Jensen apparently wrote:
> >> Thanks for the suggestion, Robert.
> >>
> >> Yep - two different wired Apple keyboards (with and without numeric
> keypad) plugged directly into the MacBookPro or into a Thunderblt monitor.
> Also checked the System Preferences Keyboard pane - no joy. This also
> happened with some former MacBookPros. When I have a chance, I'll configure
> a virgin minimal system to try.
> >> .Jerry
> >
> > Is that an American keyboard? On some national keyboard layouts, one has
> to press the shift key to produce the underscore itself.
>
> Yes, a standard American English keyboard. Two different models and the
> internal keyboard of a MacBookPro.
> Some more things its not:
> Font in LC Prefs (set to Default 12 or 16)
> For sure not a customized shortcut in System Prefs Keyboard pane.
> Its not this physical hardware. I made a virgin Mavericks LC 6.7.6
> external disk that works fine.
> It also works fine on another iMac here with Mavericks and LC 5.5.4.
> Its not something lurking in old "My RunRev" folders (now trashed).
>
> Anybody have more suggestions? I have a lot of old stuff on this computer
> - being a packrat I never throw anything away unless it bites me. How about
> removing LC Preferences? I forget where they are . . .
> .Jerry
>
>
>
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 23 19:00:26 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:00:26 +0000
Subject: Indy License upgrade
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePaZLP46U8i-yXjaaxovNy_snyP98m+zHRdM4PWau35pw@mail.gmail.com>

I've emailed Heather about the issues in this post, just posting them here
for others to watch out for.

I renewed my Indy license today under $499 deal.  The final screen I got
after paying showed the next renewal date as 7/23/2016, as did the
confirmation email I got.

Before the renewal, my Indy license expiration date was 10/18/2016.  After
the renewal, the date stayed the same but a new license described as
perpetual turned up in may account.

On the Seats tab of my account, I now have 2 seats listed, both under my
name.

It's entirely possible I did something wrong but all I did was click on the
link in Kevin's latest email and go from there.

I'm sure Heather will correct all this but be sure to check out your
account settings after renewing.


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Jul 23 19:12:43 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:12:43 +1000
Subject: JSON Safe Text
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioO+1dnF=cGBfF1tUczsLXQ_cp9Y_e2UvRDvD0cV7HeLsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioO+1dnF=cGBfF1tUczsLXQ_cp9Y_e2UvRDvD0cV7HeLsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E45441B5-BAAC-4089-AF9D-74A80B454085@sweattechnologies.com>


> On 24 Jul 2015, at 7:22 am, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> I'm placing the text into an array and then using Monte's mergJsonEncode
> function to decode it. Usually works fine - but in this case it looks like
> the content needs some tidying before I put it into the array.

mergJSON will choke on anything that?s not utf8. Is it possible there?s some other encoded data there or something you are doing with the data is messing with the encoding?

--
M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/> 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!



From jhj at jhj.com  Thu Jul 23 19:21:06 2015
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:21:06 -0700
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMdLFcLRLNCzUU=NGpi4EBgL384TQ20q0tpOLvw8qKPCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FD61C238-184D-410E-B1C8-7BC918431FD7@jhj.com>
	<loom.20150722T233453-150@post.gmane.org>
	<4C5CB31B-5415-435C-AF59-527F50FDC7B0@jhj.com>
	<p06240889d1d5e8940331@[192.168.1.94]>
	<6BA2C1A0-B68D-4C05-A421-F528DC0E20E4@jhj.com>
	<p06240802d1d695979536@[192.168.1.94]>
	<BE0EC3E2-4029-48F3-B540-226A6B4CDB7F@jhj.com>
	<CAGDT7eMdLFcLRLNCzUU=NGpi4EBgL384TQ20q0tpOLvw8qKPCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <458B53D6-A4CB-4BFD-AA30-9F9BBF875498@jhj.com>

Thanks for the suggestion, but I?m the same as you, ??? and indent of 3.
.Jerry

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> Out of interest, what comment characters and indent do you have set in
> Livecode Preferences?  I have "--" and indent of 3 and wondering if some
> combination of those settings might trigger the problem.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 2:20 PM Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:00 AM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 22.07.2015 at 17:55 Uhr -0700 Jerry Jensen apparently wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the suggestion, Robert.
>>>> 
>>>> Yep - two different wired Apple keyboards (with and without numeric
>> keypad) plugged directly into the MacBookPro or into a Thunderblt monitor.
>> Also checked the System Preferences Keyboard pane - no joy. This also
>> happened with some former MacBookPros. When I have a chance, I'll configure
>> a virgin minimal system to try.
>>>> .Jerry
>>> 
>>> Is that an American keyboard? On some national keyboard layouts, one has
>> to press the shift key to produce the underscore itself.
>> 
>> Yes, a standard American English keyboard. Two different models and the
>> internal keyboard of a MacBookPro.
>> Some more things its not:
>> Font in LC Prefs (set to Default 12 or 16)
>> For sure not a customized shortcut in System Prefs Keyboard pane.
>> Its not this physical hardware. I made a virgin Mavericks LC 6.7.6
>> external disk that works fine.
>> It also works fine on another iMac here with Mavericks and LC 5.5.4.
>> Its not something lurking in old "My RunRev" folders (now trashed).
>> 
>> Anybody have more suggestions? I have a lot of old stuff on this computer
>> - being a packrat I never throw anything away unless it bites me. How about
>> removing LC Preferences? I forget where they are . . .
>> .Jerry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Fri Jul 24 01:15:23 2015
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 22:15:23 -0700
Subject: Anomalous Script behavior
Message-ID: <C739AF10-9185-44AF-8D72-01F131976FC6@me.com>

Using LC 7.1 dp1

Part of a script sometimes doesn?t function?sometimes it works just fine. Sometimes it refuses to continue to execute the rest of a handler. This refusal will happen over and over until some point in my testing it starts working again beautifully.

It?s a group script with 35,655 characters. Is there a limit to the number of characters?

I put in breakpoints that are sometimes reached, sometimes not.

It?s a handler that is being called by callbacks in a player as the media plays, so it?s difficult to debug while the media is playing. So I put some code in to put data into a field when those lines of the script are reached. Then I can see the progression through the script in real time. When it?s not working properly, while the handler IS receiving the callback calls, that field stays empty.

Any ideas?

Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA


From david at viral.academy  Fri Jul 24 02:03:01 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:03:01 +0100
Subject: JSON Safe Text
In-Reply-To: <E45441B5-BAAC-4089-AF9D-74A80B454085@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <CAGASioO+1dnF=cGBfF1tUczsLXQ_cp9Y_e2UvRDvD0cV7HeLsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E45441B5-BAAC-4089-AF9D-74A80B454085@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioOdPAn35DijMQ33TAuk+TdqA+W+Z+8VyHQ3iuGSE06w5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yes - it's taken from the wild (an HTML page on the internet). Then turned
into XML, then a table extracted etc - so looks to me like non-utf8 stuff
has go in there somewhere.

That's why I was wandering if there was a way to filter out arbitrary text
and make it utf8-safe. You know urlencode for utf8 - or plain text? I don't
want to encode all the spaces and normal / safe chars - just whatever weird
stuff got into the data?

On 24 July 2015 at 00:12, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>
wrote:

>
> > On 24 Jul 2015, at 7:22 am, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> >
> > I'm placing the text into an array and then using Monte's mergJsonEncode
> > function to decode it. Usually works fine - but in this case it looks
> like
> > the content needs some tidying before I put it into the array.
>
> mergJSON will choke on anything that?s not utf8. Is it possible there?s
> some other encoded data there or something you are doing with the data is
> messing with the encoding?
>
> --
> M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/>
> Software development services
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Jul 24 02:20:04 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:20:04 +1000
Subject: JSON Safe Text
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioOdPAn35DijMQ33TAuk+TdqA+W+Z+8VyHQ3iuGSE06w5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioO+1dnF=cGBfF1tUczsLXQ_cp9Y_e2UvRDvD0cV7HeLsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E45441B5-BAAC-4089-AF9D-74A80B454085@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAGASioOdPAn35DijMQ33TAuk+TdqA+W+Z+8VyHQ3iuGSE06w5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <958092E4-3345-4F08-A661-3DB58B0D99B4@sweattechnologies.com>

You really need to know the encoding you are working with. Check if the page has a charset attribute first and if it does re-encode to utf8 first. The try it in mergJSON. If it chokes then the best you can do is replace any char greater than charToNum(127) with ???. Other than that I think there are encoding detectors around but it may depend on how critical the data is...

> On 24 Jul 2015, at 4:03 pm, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> Yes - it's taken from the wild (an HTML page on the internet). Then turned
> into XML, then a table extracted etc - so looks to me like non-utf8 stuff
> has go in there somewhere.
> 
> That's why I was wandering if there was a way to filter out arbitrary text
> and make it utf8-safe. You know urlencode for utf8 - or plain text? I don't
> want to encode all the spaces and normal / safe chars - just whatever weird
> stuff got into the data?
> 
> On 24 July 2015 at 00:12, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On 24 Jul 2015, at 7:22 am, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm placing the text into an array and then using Monte's mergJsonEncode
>>> function to decode it. Usually works fine - but in this case it looks
>> like
>>> the content needs some tidying before I put it into the array.
>> 
>> mergJSON will choke on anything that?s not utf8. Is it possible there?s
>> some other encoded data there or something you are doing with the data is
>> messing with the encoding?
>> 
>> --
>> M E R Goulding <http://goulding.ws/>
>> Software development services
>> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>> 
>> mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!
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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Fri Jul 24 03:22:30 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:22:30 +0100
Subject: revBrowserSet
Message-ID: <83C65CCF-8453-4E48-8CDD-5D962CF4FE53@icloud.com>

This is my first foray into using a browser in LiveCode and I have come across a couple of points I was hoping someone could help me with:

I am experimenting using a browser to display charts using highcharts from highcharts.com and have got the example charts working in a browser.

I am working with LC 6.7.6 on iMac with Yosemite.

--------------

I have this script to setup the browser

global gBrowserID

on mouseUp
   lock screen
   set the visible of grc "browserOutline" to false
   
   --put revBrowserOpenCef(the windowId of this stack, "") into gBrowserID
   put revBrowserOpen(the windowId of this stack, "") into gBrowserID
   
   revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "rect", the rect of graphic "browserOutline"
   revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "offline", true
   revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "scrollbars", false
   revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "showBorder", true
   unlock screen
end mouseUp

I have noticed that with revBrowserCef I cannot disable scrollbars and show border does not work for me but with revBrowserOpen they both work?

Perhaps I am doing something wrong or is revBrowserCef a work in progress?

???????

At the moment it appears that I will have to create my own charts in LiveCode export them as index.htm then reload them into the browser.

Is there a way to create the chart in LiveCode then pass it straight to the browser.

I tried this without success using the content of one of the example files in highcharts:

put the uScript of me into tScript
revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "htmltext", tScript
revBrowserRefresh gBrowserID

???????

Is there any better documentation on the use of the revBrowser commands or is it all to be trial and error?


Thanks


Terry

From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 04:51:50 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:51:50 +0800
Subject: revBrowserSet
In-Reply-To: <83C65CCF-8453-4E48-8CDD-5D962CF4FE53@icloud.com>
References: <83C65CCF-8453-4E48-8CDD-5D962CF4FE53@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjXJzgddagis6jx7z9131Xri_c-B00ZJTZLKtNHk7XVPA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Is there a way to create the chart in LiveCode then pass it straight to
> the browser.
>
> I tried this without success using the content of one of the example files
> in highcharts:
>
> put the uScript of me into tScript
> revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "htmltext", tScript
> revBrowserRefresh gBrowserID
>
> If you were to step through your code and take the content of uScript and
paste it straight into a text editor, and then display that file in a
'real' Browser does it display correctly? I've done exactly your steps and
have had no trouble displaying LC created html in an LC Browser instance.
Actually there is one difference, I don't revBrowserRefresh, I just 'wait 1
millisec' and it displays.

As for the CEF browser I seem to remember reading something about it's the
way of the future but it is a work in progress. I may have that wrong
though.

HTH


From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Jul 24 05:42:54 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:42:54 +0200
Subject: Best practise for a quiz control?
Message-ID: <006b01d0c5f5$1e083c60$5a18b520$@kestner.de>

Hello,

What I want to do:

The user gets a kind of multiple choice question,  answers by clicking his
choice in a list or answering a dialog (two different cases). The answer
dialog has to be a modal window, not the standard answer dialog, because I
have to place the dialog window at a certain screen position. After
answering, the next question is being asked. This is a kind of loop with
dialogs.

My question:

Should I build this  question-answer cycle in a "repeat forever" loop or in
a "myHandler", which has a "send myHandler to me in 1" at the end. Or is
there a better design approach for this?

I am not sure, what my loop will be doing, while I opened modal the answer
window? Will the loop wait for the user answer in the modal window in both
above cases, or is the modal window completely independent from the loop and
the loop runs on? How can I hold my loop waiting for the user action in the
modal window?

Thanks for your recommendations

Tiemo

 

 



From mark at livecode.com  Fri Jul 24 05:52:32 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:52:32 +0200
Subject: Best practise for a quiz =?UTF-8?Q?control=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <006b01d0c5f5$1e083c60$5a18b520$@kestner.de>
References: <006b01d0c5f5$1e083c60$5a18b520$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <c6c6361e2cda0d700b2f06179c5784da@livecode.com>

> I am not sure, what my loop will be doing, while I opened modal the 
> answer
> window? Will the loop wait for the user answer in the modal window in 
> both
> above cases, or is the modal window completely independent from the 
> loop and
> the loop runs on? How can I hold my loop waiting for the user action in 
> the
> modal window?

When you 'modal' a stack, the modal command will block the current 
script until the dialog closes. (e.g. You have an OK / Cancel button 
which do 'close this stack').

Note that messages *are* dispatched whilst this blocking occurs - 
otherwise events wouldn't get processed so you wouldn't have any user 
interaction.

-- 
Mark Waddingham ~ mark at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps



From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Jul 24 06:06:41 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:06:41 +0200
Subject: AW: Best practise for a quiz control?
In-Reply-To: <c6c6361e2cda0d700b2f06179c5784da@livecode.com>
References: <006b01d0c5f5$1e083c60$5a18b520$@kestner.de>
	<c6c6361e2cda0d700b2f06179c5784da@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <008301d0c5f8$706ce390$5146aab0$@kestner.de>

Hi Mark,
thanks for clarifying this part of my question!
Tiemo

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Betreff: Re: Best practise for a quiz control?

> I am not sure, what my loop will be doing, while I opened modal the 
> answer window? Will the loop wait for the user answer in the modal 
> window in both above cases, or is the modal window completely 
> independent from the loop and the loop runs on? How can I hold my loop 
> waiting for the user action in the modal window?

When you 'modal' a stack, the modal command will block the current script
until the dialog closes. (e.g. You have an OK / Cancel button which do
'close this stack').

Note that messages *are* dispatched whilst this blocking occurs - otherwise
events wouldn't get processed so you wouldn't have any user interaction.

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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Fri Jul 24 07:18:58 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:18:58 +0100
Subject: revBrowserSet
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjXJzgddagis6jx7z9131Xri_c-B00ZJTZLKtNHk7XVPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <83C65CCF-8453-4E48-8CDD-5D962CF4FE53@icloud.com>
	<CA+uh5kjXJzgddagis6jx7z9131Xri_c-B00ZJTZLKtNHk7XVPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F50EFA95-0FCF-4DCE-8D76-7B1179B03A5C@icloud.com>

Yes it works correctly if I use this script from LC with the content in a file

global gBrowserID
global gFile

on mouseUp
   answer file "Select a chart to load:"
   if the result is not "cancel" then
      put it into gFile
      revBrowserNavigate gBrowserId, "file://" & gFile 
   end if
end mouseUp


What I really want to do is just load the content of the file gFile directly from LC.

I thought put revBrowserSet gBrowserID,?htmlText?,theContentsOfgFile might work, but it doesn?t.

Perhaps I am using this in the wrong context but there does not appear to be any docs for using revBrowser type commands unless I can?t find them?


All the best

Terry



> On 24 Jul 2015, at 09:51, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> paste it straight into a text editor, and then display that file in a
> 'real' Browser does it display correctly? I've done exactly your steps and
> have had no trouble displaying LC created html in an LC Browser instance.
> Actually there is one difference, I don't revBrowserRefresh, I just 'wait 1
> millisec' and it displays.



From rjb at robelko.com  Fri Jul 24 07:15:43 2015
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:15:43 +0200
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <248B8480-D968-45C3-857B-4E9CF3653A50@pacifier.com>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNbxQrFcPXQX76BjU2BE+U8xwe2yMkjGd3Wb7bAnFCZjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B02735.6070400@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eP9vYW9sLk9XUMV0p0GV5G8evpuJdb0FB8n8ujXO8-z+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B157BD.9050706@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eOfhg9-ypHtfy4kETzU8XPKfP7jU9YWemJ30nkR5Yn72A@mail.gmail.com>
	<248B8480-D968-45C3-857B-4E9CF3653A50@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080cd1d7ce3dec7f@[192.168.1.94]>

A rule of thumb for Mac is 10% of drive being free...

I find iStat Menus a useful tool for continuous monitoring of vital 
parameters (just a happy user).

RObert


On 23.07.2015 at 15:37 Uhr -0700 JB apparently wrote:
>If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
>you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
>space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
>with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
>space on the drive.  Anything below that and
>it normal operations like opening files will be
>slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
>the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
>you can speed things up a little by relaunching
>the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
>Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
>a temporary fix.
>
>John Balgenorth



From sundown at pacifier.com  Fri Jul 24 07:50:55 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 04:50:55 -0700
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <p0624080cd1d7ce3dec7f@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <55AEDBFE.3000205@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5khdcFOJbH-5_f0aXfdYcdbxKeN1MJ+YiYR5t4Bz+s+3+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B00131.6090206@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNbxQrFcPXQX76BjU2BE+U8xwe2yMkjGd3Wb7bAnFCZjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B02735.6070400@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eP9vYW9sLk9XUMV0p0GV5G8evpuJdb0FB8n8ujXO8-z+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B157BD.9050706@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eOfhg9-ypHtfy4kETzU8XPKfP7jU9YWemJ30nkR5Yn72A@mail.gmail.com>
	<248B8480-D968-45C3-857B-4E9CF3653A50@pacifier.com>
	<p0624080cd1d7ce3dec7f@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <D9779303-6AF8-4573-AA5A-B9FEAFF65DE8@pacifier.com>

10% might work for you but it definitely does not
work for me.  I have a 1tb drive and 348 gb free
space.  Most operations run slower than normal.
I deleted about 150gb of music to bring it up to
350gb because it ran too slow to use.  Now it
runs fast enough to use but I still have a lot of
wasted time.  I had a 350gb drive and had the
same problems way before 35gb free space.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:

> A rule of thumb for Mac is 10% of drive being free...
> 
> I find iStat Menus a useful tool for continuous monitoring of vital parameters (just a happy user).
> 
> RObert
> 
> 
> On 23.07.2015 at 15:37 Uhr -0700 JB apparently wrote:
>> If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
>> you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
>> space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
>> with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
>> space on the drive.  Anything below that and
>> it normal operations like opening files will be
>> slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
>> the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
>> you can speed things up a little by relaunching
>> the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
>> Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
>> a temporary fix.
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
> 
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From skip at magicgate.com  Fri Jul 24 09:19:55 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:19:55 -0400
Subject: Force window on second display
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4PHFY94-L7n-xXiGykkvGipy11kMAc+xCqnZS2BW_3L1w@mail.gmail.com>

A bright good morning and a happy Friday to all you LC'ers,

Is there a way to force a standalone on a second connected display?  This
is for a retail environment where I am sending data and info to a customer
standing on the other side of a counter viewing a secondary monitor.  I
want this to be automated so that if the computer is rebooted and the
application is launched, the employee does not have to drag the LC
application window to the other screen.

Thank you, as always, for your input!

SKIP


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Jul 24 09:24:22 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:24:22 +0200
Subject: Force window on second display
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4PHFY94-L7n-xXiGykkvGipy11kMAc+xCqnZS2BW_3L1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4PHFY94-L7n-xXiGykkvGipy11kMAc+xCqnZS2BW_3L1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B23C86.2070501@economy-x-talk.com>

put line 2 of the screenRects into myRect
put (item 1 of myRect + item 2 of myRect) / 2 into X
put (item 3 of myRect + item 4 of myRect) / 2 into Y
set the loc of stack myStack to X,Y

You might use working screenRects instead of screenRects.

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On 7/24/2015 15:19, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
> A bright good morning and a happy Friday to all you LC'ers,
>
> Is there a way to force a standalone on a second connected display?  This
> is for a retail environment where I am sending data and info to a customer
> standing on the other side of a counter viewing a secondary monitor.  I
> want this to be automated so that if the computer is rebooted and the
> application is launched, the employee does not have to drag the LC
> application window to the other screen.
>
> Thank you, as always, for your input!
>
> SKIP
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From skip at magicgate.com  Fri Jul 24 09:28:21 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:28:21 -0400
Subject: Force window on second display
In-Reply-To: <55B23C86.2070501@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4PHFY94-L7n-xXiGykkvGipy11kMAc+xCqnZS2BW_3L1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B23C86.2070501@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4O666SBhN24fRTXty++NMPAcWZeAr+wLCN0ub74bmnPiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for the quick response Mark!

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> put line 2 of the screenRects into myRect
> put (item 1 of myRect + item 2 of myRect) / 2 into X
> put (item 3 of myRect + item 4 of myRect) / 2 into Y
> set the loc of stack myStack to X,Y
>
> You might use working screenRects instead of screenRects.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
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>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
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>
> On 7/24/2015 15:19, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>
>> A bright good morning and a happy Friday to all you LC'ers,
>>
>> Is there a way to force a standalone on a second connected display?  This
>> is for a retail environment where I am sending data and info to a customer
>> standing on the other side of a counter viewing a secondary monitor.  I
>> want this to be automated so that if the computer is rebooted and the
>> application is launched, the employee does not have to drag the LC
>> application window to the other screen.
>>
>> Thank you, as always, for your input!
>>
>> SKIP
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Jul 24 09:47:02 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:47:02 +0200
Subject: Force window on second display
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4O666SBhN24fRTXty++NMPAcWZeAr+wLCN0ub74bmnPiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4PHFY94-L7n-xXiGykkvGipy11kMAc+xCqnZS2BW_3L1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B23C86.2070501@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAO8Ty4O666SBhN24fRTXty++NMPAcWZeAr+wLCN0ub74bmnPiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B241D6.5010006@economy-x-talk.com>

Yeah, but obviously I messed it up. I'll post a correct script in a sec.

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On 7/24/2015 15:28, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
> Thank you for the quick response Mark!
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>
>> put line 2 of the screenRects into myRect
>> put (item 1 of myRect + item 2 of myRect) / 2 into X
>> put (item 3 of myRect + item 4 of myRect) / 2 into Y
>> set the loc of stack myStack to X,Y
>>
>> You might use working screenRects instead of screenRects.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>> http://qery.us/468
>>
>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
>> http://qery.us/3fi
>>
>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>
>>
>> On 7/24/2015 15:19, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>>
>>> A bright good morning and a happy Friday to all you LC'ers,
>>>
>>> Is there a way to force a standalone on a second connected display?  This
>>> is for a retail environment where I am sending data and info to a customer
>>> standing on the other side of a counter viewing a secondary monitor.  I
>>> want this to be automated so that if the computer is rebooted and the
>>> application is launched, the employee does not have to drag the LC
>>> application window to the other screen.
>>>
>>> Thank you, as always, for your input!
>>>
>>> SKIP
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Jul 24 09:49:38 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:49:38 +0200
Subject: Force window on second display
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Skip,

This time I have tested it:

put line 2 of the screenRects into myRect
put (item 1 of myRect + item 3 of myRect) / 2 into X
put (item 2 of myRect + item 4 of myRect) / 2 into Y
set the loc of stack myStack to X,Y

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On 7/24/2015 15:28, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
> put line 2 of the screenRects into myRect
>>put (item 1 of myRect + item 2 of myRect) / 2 into X
>>put (item 3 of myRect + item 4 of myRect) / 2 into Y
>>set the loc of stack myStack to X,Y



From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Fri Jul 24 09:54:18 2015
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 06:54:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Best practise for a quiz control?
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Hi.
I would definitely write my own handler to manage and display the questions
and call that handler with a Send command instead of the forever loop. 
-- Tom Bodine




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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 10:13:50 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:13:50 -0400
Subject: Underscore uncomment bug in OSX
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Here's the workaround that I have been using, in case others find it useful. I put it into a controlkeydown handler in my LC frontscript. All my script shortcuts use control-shift-<key>. The command doUndoSpace types a space and then deletes it, to make sure LC knows that editing has been done and the script needs re-checking. This may not be necessary in later LC versions (I operate still in 5.5 -- I know, I'm a dinosaur). So control-shift-<underscore> comments out a line or lines, control-shift-= uncomments a line or lines.

on controlkeydown which
   put the long name of the target into tarName
   put the shiftkey is down into shK
   switch which
      case "-"
      case "_" -- comment out the line -- until Rev fixes the commandkey shortcut
         if not shK then pass controlkeydown
         if "field" is not in tarName then pass controlkeydown
         if "revNewScriptEditor" is not in tarName then pass controlkeydown
         put the selectedLine into tLineCh
         put "-" & "-" into cmntChars
         if " to " is in tLineCh then
            put word 2 of tLineCh into stLineNbr
            put word 4 of tLineCh into endLineNbr
            repeat with n = stLineNbr to endLineNbr
               put "put cmntChars & space before word 1 of line" && n && "of" && tarName \
                     into theDo
               do theDo
            end repeat
            -- put scriptLinesText into line stLineNbr to endLineNbr of the target
            put endLineNbr into selectHere
         else
            put word 2 of tLineCh into lineNbr
            put the long name of the target into tLongName
            put sr(line lineNbr of the target) into tLineText
            do "put cmntChars & space before word 1 of" && tLineCh
            put lineNbr into selectHere
         end if
         doUndoSpace
         send "tabkey" to tarname -- to fix indenting
         select after line selectHere of the target
         break
      case "="
      case "+" -- uncomment the line -- until Rev fixes the commandkey shortcut
         if not shK then pass controlkeydown
         if "field" is not in tarName then pass controlkeydown
         if "revNewScriptEditor" is not in tarName then pass controlkeydown
         put the selectedLine into tLineCh
         if " to " is in tLineCh then
            put word 2 of tLineCh into stLineNbr
            put word 4 of tLineCh into endLineNbr
            put line stLineNbr to endLineNbr of target into scriptLinesText
            repeat with n = 1 to the number of lines of scriptLinesText
               put sr(line n of scriptLinesText) into tLineText
               if char 1 to 2 of tLineText = "-" & "-"
               then delete char 1 to 2 of tLineText
               put tLineText into line n of scriptLinesText
            end repeat
            put scriptLinesText into line stLineNbr to endLineNbr of the target
         else
            put sr(value(tLineCh)) into tLineText
            if char 1 to 2 of tLineText = "-"&"-" then
               delete char 1 to 2 of tLineText
               do "put tLineText into" && tLineCh
            end if
         end if
         doUndoSpace
         send "tabkey" to tarname
         break
      default
         pass controlkeydown
   end switch
end controlkeydown

private command doUndoSpace
   -- this solves the problem that after the above scripted operations
   -- the script editor remains unaware that the script has changed,
   -- so an <enterkey> will close but not save the changed script
   -- thus we have to *type* at least one character
   lock screen
   put the selectedText into selTxt
   type numToChar(32) -- the important step
   put word 4 of the selectedChunk into charNbr
   put selTxt into char charNbr of the target
   unlock screen
end doUndoSpace

function sr pText
   return word 1 to -1 of pText
end sr

On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:30 AM, Alan Stenhouse wrote:

> The uncomment keyboard shortcut has never worked for me either, would love if it did.
> 
> Interestingly, after someone posted about holding open the menu and then trying it, it does work. Haven?t investigated further though.
> 
> Wonder if it?s possibly related to having multiple keyboard languages available. 
> 
> Was surprised to hear from many that it works fine for them?!! Thought that it was again, one of those things?
> 
> cheers
> 
> Alan
> 
> On 23 Jul 2015, at 12:00 pm, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
>> I normally work on a 2009 iMac, but I?ve just installed LC 7.1.0(dp1) on my 2015 MacBook Pro and it?s doing exactly the same as the iMac, i.e. it doesn?t work correctly and adding the system shortcut is only a partial workaround. The MBP is also on OS X 10.10.4.
>> 
>> I?ll head over to the bug report now.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 17:59, Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh thank you Paul! I am not crazy (well, not about that anyway!). What model computer are you using?
>>> Yes, please add this to the comments in the bug report. I do think it will help.
>>> .Jerry
> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Fri Jul 24 10:19:31 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (EED-wp Email)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:19:31 -0700
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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I've found DiskWarrior to be an indispensable tool on my Mac. It fixes disc corruption that diskutil can't and optimizes the directory. It might be worth a try. 
Bill

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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:50 AM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
> 
> 10% might work for you but it definitely does not
> work for me.  I have a 1tb drive and 348 gb free
> space.  Most operations run slower than normal.
> I deleted about 150gb of music to bring it up to
> 350gb because it ran too slow to use.  Now it
> runs fast enough to use but I still have a lot of
> wasted time.  I had a 350gb drive and had the
> same problems way before 35gb free space.
> 
> John Balgenorth
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A rule of thumb for Mac is 10% of drive being free...
>> 
>> I find iStat Menus a useful tool for continuous monitoring of vital parameters (just a happy user).
>> 
>> RObert
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23.07.2015 at 15:37 Uhr -0700 JB apparently wrote:
>>> If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
>>> you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
>>> space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
>>> with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
>>> space on the drive.  Anything below that and
>>> it normal operations like opening files will be
>>> slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
>>> the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
>>> you can speed things up a little by relaunching
>>> the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
>>> Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
>>> a temporary fix.
>>> 
>>> John Balgenorth
>> 
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From skip at magicgate.com  Fri Jul 24 10:36:08 2015
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:36:08 -0400
Subject: Force window on second display
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Works like a charm.... Thank you!

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Skip,
>
> This time I have tested it:
>
> put line 2 of the screenRects into myRect
> put (item 1 of myRect + item 3 of myRect) / 2 into X
> put (item 2 of myRect + item 4 of myRect) / 2 into Y
> set the loc of stack myStack to X,Y
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
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> On 7/24/2015 15:28, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>
>> put line 2 of the screenRects into myRect
>>
>>> put (item 1 of myRect + item 2 of myRect) / 2 into X
>>> put (item 3 of myRect + item 4 of myRect) / 2 into Y
>>> set the loc of stack myStack to X,Y
>>>
>>
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Jul 24 11:14:16 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:14:16 -0400
Subject: Anomalous Script behavior
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References: <C739AF10-9185-44AF-8D72-01F131976FC6@me.com>
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Peter.


There is no limit to the size of a script; LC is not HC.


But that was easy. To your real question, I am positive, and this does indeed go back to HC, that certain handlers will work one day and not the next. That some will work if I step through them, but not run normally.


And that this comes and goes, but generally somehow works itself out, so that after a bit of angst, the gremlin goes away, and rarely leaves me with the issue. 


Not to say that on occasion I simply rewrite a handler, if it is not too long, and then it works. Hidden spurious chars? Hidden spurious chars that evaporate? I suspect others believe the same, and similar tales will, in aggregate, be like one of those TV shows about haunted houses. 


There are mysteries...


Craig Newman



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From: Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2015 1:16 am
Subject: Anomalous Script behavior


Using LC 7.1 dp1

Part of a script sometimes doesn?t function?sometimes it
works just fine. Sometimes it refuses to continue to execute the rest of a
handler. This refusal will happen over and over until some point in my testing
it starts working again beautifully.

It?s a group script with 35,655
characters. Is there a limit to the number of characters?

I put in
breakpoints that are sometimes reached, sometimes not.

It?s a handler that is
being called by callbacks in a player as the media plays, so it?s difficult to
debug while the media is playing. So I put some code in to put data into a field
when those lines of the script are reached. Then I can see the progression
through the script in real time. When it?s not working properly, while the
handler IS receiving the callback calls, that field stays empty.

Any
ideas?

Peter
Bogdanoff
UCLA
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 24 11:19:47 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:19:47 -0700
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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The guidelines I'd read were about 15% IIRC;  I believe there used to be 
a tech note on this, but I can no longer find it at apple.com.  Most 
third-party sites discussing this cite 15%.

If OS X required us to never use half of our disk space that would be 
quite a public controversy, since that's far beyond what any other file 
system requires and would represent a tremendous waste of storage resources.

If you have poor performance on a Mac that has more than 15% free, 
chances are free space isn't the cause.

There may be other issues with the drive (+1 for Disk Warrior), or 
either the primary or a secondary drive has a power-scaling feature that 
lets the platter rest when not in use, or corrupted b-tree elements, or 
any number of other factors.

-- 
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John Balgenorth wrote:

> 10% might work for you but it definitely does not
> work for me.  I have a 1tb drive and 348 gb free
> space.  Most operations run slower than normal.
> I deleted about 150gb of music to bring it up to
> 350gb because it ran too slow to use.  Now it
> runs fast enough to use but I still have a lot of
> wasted time.  I had a 350gb drive and had the
> same problems way before 35gb free space.
>
> John Balgenorth
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>
>> A rule of thumb for Mac is 10% of drive being free...
>>
>> I find iStat Menus a useful tool for continuous monitoring of vital parameters (just a happy user).
>>
>> RObert
>>
>>
>> On 23.07.2015 at 15:37 Uhr -0700 JB apparently wrote:
>>> If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
>>> you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
>>> space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
>>> with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
>>> space on the drive.  Anything below that and
>>> it normal operations like opening files will be
>>> slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
>>> the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
>>> you can speed things up a little by relaunching
>>> the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
>>> Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
>>> a temporary fix.
>>>
>>> John Balgenorth




From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Jul 24 11:33:00 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:33:00 +0000
Subject: Anomalous Script behavior
In-Reply-To: <C739AF10-9185-44AF-8D72-01F131976FC6@me.com>
References: <C739AF10-9185-44AF-8D72-01F131976FC6@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOY-SgazEFer40azOv_2K101m5moQjh43TZ-OK4PhVMnA@mail.gmail.com>

I've run into situations like this and it usually seems to be caused by an
unexpected value in a variable passed to an lc function or command which
causes it to silently quit and stop the rest of the calling script from
executing.  Hard to define what "unexpected" means and I'm trying to think
of an example but it's been a while since it happened to me.

I would add some code to your tracking mechanism to track the value of any
critical variables, especially those that are passed as parameters to other
handlers.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:16 PM Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:

> Using LC 7.1 dp1
>
> Part of a script sometimes doesn?t function?sometimes it works just fine.
> Sometimes it refuses to continue to execute the rest of a handler. This
> refusal will happen over and over until some point in my testing it starts
> working again beautifully.
>
> It?s a group script with 35,655 characters. Is there a limit to the number
> of characters?
>
> I put in breakpoints that are sometimes reached, sometimes not.
>
> It?s a handler that is being called by callbacks in a player as the media
> plays, so it?s difficult to debug while the media is playing. So I put some
> code in to put data into a field when those lines of the script are
> reached. Then I can see the progression through the script in real time.
> When it?s not working properly, while the handler IS receiving the callback
> calls, that field stays empty.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Peter Bogdanoff
> UCLA
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 11:57:12 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Mike Doub)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:57:12 -0400
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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I'm z



On Jul 24, 2015, 10:23 AM, at 10:23 AM, EED-wp Email <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>I've found DiskWarrior to be an indispensable tool on my Mac. It fixes
>disc corruption that diskutil can't and optimizes the directory. It
>might be worth a try. 
>Bill
>
>William Prothero
>http://ed.earthednet.org
>
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:50 AM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 10% might work for you but it definitely does not
>> work for me.  I have a 1tb drive and 348 gb free
>> space.  Most operations run slower than normal.
>> I deleted about 150gb of music to bring it up to
>> 350gb because it ran too slow to use.  Now it
>> runs fast enough to use but I still have a lot of
>> wasted time.  I had a 350gb drive and had the
>> same problems way before 35gb free space.
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com>
>wrote:
>>> 
>>> A rule of thumb for Mac is 10% of drive being free...
>>> 
>>> I find iStat Menus a useful tool for continuous monitoring of vital
>parameters (just a happy user).
>>> 
>>> RObert
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 23.07.2015 at 15:37 Uhr -0700 JB apparently wrote:
>>>> If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
>>>> you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
>>>> space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
>>>> with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
>>>> space on the drive.  Anything below that and
>>>> it normal operations like opening files will be
>>>> slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
>>>> the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
>>>> you can speed things up a little by relaunching
>>>> the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
>>>> Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
>>>> a temporary fix.
>>>> 
>>>> John Balgenorth
>>> 
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 11:57:23 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Mike Doub)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:57:23 -0400
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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On Jul 24, 2015, 10:23 AM, at 10:23 AM, EED-wp Email <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>I've found DiskWarrior to be an indispensable tool on my Mac. It fixes
>disc corruption that diskutil can't and optimizes the directory. It
>might be worth a try. 
>Bill
>
>William Prothero
>http://ed.earthednet.org
>
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:50 AM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 10% might work for you but it definitely does not
>> work for me.  I have a 1tb drive and 348 gb free
>> space.  Most operations run slower than normal.
>> I deleted about 150gb of music to bring it up to
>> 350gb because it ran too slow to use.  Now it
>> runs fast enough to use but I still have a lot of
>> wasted time.  I had a 350gb drive and had the
>> same problems way before 35gb free space.
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com>
>wrote:
>>> 
>>> A rule of thumb for Mac is 10% of drive being free...
>>> 
>>> I find iStat Menus a useful tool for continuous monitoring of vital
>parameters (just a happy user).
>>> 
>>> RObert
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 23.07.2015 at 15:37 Uhr -0700 JB apparently wrote:
>>>> If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
>>>> you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
>>>> space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
>>>> with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
>>>> space on the drive.  Anything below that and
>>>> it normal operations like opening files will be
>>>> slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
>>>> the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
>>>> you can speed things up a little by relaunching
>>>> the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
>>>> Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
>>>> a temporary fix.
>>>> 
>>>> John Balgenorth
>>> 
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Fri Jul 24 11:59:54 2015
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:59:54 -0700
Subject: Anomalous Script behavior
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References: <C739AF10-9185-44AF-8D72-01F131976FC6@me.com>
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Craig and Peter,

Thanks for your replies.

Yes, I?ve seen this happen other times, but then it does just go away.

Here I?m seeing it reoccur over and over...

I tried the same script in LC 6.1.3 and it seems better there, but will do more testing.

It could be that there is an unexpected value being passed, and maybe LC 7 is more susceptible to it.

Peter

On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:33 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I've run into situations like this and it usually seems to be caused by an
> unexpected value in a variable passed to an lc function or command which
> causes it to silently quit and stop the rest of the calling script from
> executing.  Hard to define what "unexpected" means and I'm trying to think
> of an example but it's been a while since it happened to me.
> 
> I would add some code to your tracking mechanism to track the value of any
> critical variables, especially those that are passed as parameters to other
> handlers.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:16 PM Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Using LC 7.1 dp1
>> 
>> Part of a script sometimes doesn?t function?sometimes it works just fine.
>> Sometimes it refuses to continue to execute the rest of a handler. This
>> refusal will happen over and over until some point in my testing it starts
>> working again beautifully.
>> 
>> It?s a group script with 35,655 characters. Is there a limit to the number
>> of characters?
>> 
>> I put in breakpoints that are sometimes reached, sometimes not.
>> 
>> It?s a handler that is being called by callbacks in a player as the media
>> plays, so it?s difficult to debug while the media is playing. So I put some
>> code in to put data into a field when those lines of the script are
>> reached. Then I can see the progression through the script in real time.
>> When it?s not working properly, while the handler IS receiving the callback
>> calls, that field stays empty.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Peter Bogdanoff
>> UCLA
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From mark at livecode.com  Fri Jul 24 12:42:31 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:42:31 +0100
Subject: Anomalous Script behavior
In-Reply-To: <C739AF10-9185-44AF-8D72-01F131976FC6@me.com>
References: <C739AF10-9185-44AF-8D72-01F131976FC6@me.com>
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Hi Peter,

Do you see a similar thing in 6.7?

The reason I ask is that if the problem is only occurring in an a handler being invoked by the engine as part of callbacks set by the callback property on a player it could be something to do with that specific case.

The player implementation on Mac changed completely from 6.7 onwards...

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Jul 2015, at 06:15, Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Using LC 7.1 dp1
> 
> Part of a script sometimes doesn?t function?sometimes it works just fine. Sometimes it refuses to continue to execute the rest of a handler. This refusal will happen over and over until some point in my testing it starts working again beautifully.
> 
> It?s a group script with 35,655 characters. Is there a limit to the number of characters?
> 
> I put in breakpoints that are sometimes reached, sometimes not.
> 
> It?s a handler that is being called by callbacks in a player as the media plays, so it?s difficult to debug while the media is playing. So I put some code in to put data into a field when those lines of the script are reached. Then I can see the progression through the script in real time. When it?s not working properly, while the handler IS receiving the callback calls, that field stays empty.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff
> UCLA
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From mark at livecode.com  Fri Jul 24 12:46:50 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:46:50 +0100
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
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Hi Mike,

The only reference to slow opening of SQLite dbs on the Internet was to do with file permission issues on windows so if you are seeing this on Mac it very much sounds like a hard disk issue.

One of my colleagues had an issue recently with the hard drive in a 2011 iMac which didn't show up as a problem in any of the macs internal diagnostics. We replaced the drive and all was well again.

It would periodically get exceptionally slow when opening various files.

I'd get your hdd checked out asap.

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Jul 2015, at 22:08, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> I think that I have a system issue of some type.   We had a nasty thunderstorm last night and we lost power.  Obviously my Mac was re-booted.  When I ran my timing tests this morning.   Open was 3 seconds and loading all the data in to a variable was 1.   Much better.
> 
> I just got back from a nice bike ride and tried it again.. some 5 hr later with the mac running the whole time.   Open was 93 seconds and loading the data was 23.
> 
> This tells me that it has nothing to do with livecode or the database, but something is going on with my system that is causing a dramatic slowdowns.
> 
> -= Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7/23/15 1:46 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>> Those are ridiculously long times!  I can't think of anything obvious that
>> would cause them.  Mark's question about whether the automatic indexes are
>> being recreated is a possibility but I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen.
>> 
>> I couldn't tell from your original post if your table has a primary
>> keydefined, looks like the ID column might be it?  Reason I ask is if would
>> be worth trying "SELECT <primarykeycolumn> FROM mytable" since selecting
>> all primary key columns is the absolute fastest select statement on a table
>> so I'd be interested to see how long it takes.  If you don't have a primary
>> key defined, use "rowid" instead.
>> 
>> That doesn't help with the open time but it might shed some light and
>> what's going on.
>> 
>> If you would be willing to share the database with me offline, I'd be happy
>> to see if I can spot anything.  I'd also be happy to post the problem on
>> the sqlite developers list but in order to do that, I would need the exact
>> CREATE statement used to create the table plus any other tables in the
>> database.  Your sqlitebrowser tool should provide that somewhere.
>> 
>> Pete
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:33 PM Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just updated the database and it now has 608436 records.  Sorry for
>>> the typo. it was 604000.
>>> 
>>> How long to open - 216 seconds.
>>> 
>>> I timed put revDataFromQuery(,,db_id,"select * from mydatabase") into
>>> tResult
>>> it was 26 seconds.
>>> 
>>> 216 to open and 26 to copy all of the data into a variable.  This seems
>>> odd to me.
>>> 
>>> The database is on the main internal drive (same as OS) in folder with
>>> the stack that is accessing the database.
>>> 
>>> The result of the integrity check is "ok"
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/22/15 5:11 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> Out of interest, when you say it takes a long time to open the database,
>>>> how long do you mean?
>>>> 
>>>> Also, where is the database located?  On your Mac's hard drive, external
>>>> drive, on a network?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm a bit confused as to the number of records.  Your original email said
>>>> 600,000+ records, but you mentioned that the ID field (which is defined
>>> as
>>>> unique) has values from 1 to 60400.  Maybe a type somewhere?
>>>> 
>>>> You'll see auto indexes for any columns that are defined as UNIQUE,
>>> that's
>>>> how sqlite enforces that constraint.
>>>> 
>>>> Don't worry about indexes for now.  They on;y help if you are having
>>>> problems with how long it takes to execute your select commands and this
>>>> problem is occurring long before then.
>>>> 
>>>> PRAGMAs are just another type of sqlite statement. After opening your
>>>> database, do this:
>>>> 
>>>> put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"PRAGMA integrity_check)) into tResult
>>>> put tResult
>>>> 
>>>> gDBID is just the variable with your connection ID in it so replace it
>>> with
>>>> your variable name.
>>>> 
>>>> The message box will open and you'll see the output from the PRAGMA
>>>> command.  It it begins with "revdberr",Livecode detected an error with
>>> the
>>>> statement for some reason.  If the PRAGMA does not find any error it
>>>> returns OK.  Anything else, there's corruption in your database.
>>>> 
>>>> Let me know the result of the integrity check and we'll go from there.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kay and Mark, the database file size is 250Mb.   The performance issue
>>>>> that surprised me was the open time.  Adds and Queries are as expected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ID's currently range from 1 to 60400
>>>>> URL is a typical URL that ranges from 50 to 130 characters, average is
>>>>> 80 char.
>>>>> tag is currently not being used so empty
>>>>> local is a mac file path:  of the form
>>> /Volumes/EXTERNAL/XXX/xxxxxxxxx.xxx
>>>>> How would I create and index?   When I look at the database with
>>>>> sqlitebrowser, it looks like an auto index was created.
>>>>> Can you give me instructions as to how I should have created the
>>>>> database with an index?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter, This is using livecode 7.0.6 on a Mac OSX 10.10.4.   My DataBase
>>>>> expertise is very limited.  I created the database with sqlitebrowser,
>>>>> then added the data with livecode.   I don't know anything about PRAMAs
>>>>> or even how to execute them.   If you can provide instructions I will
>>>>> give it a try.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -= Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/21/15 11:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
>>>>>> An example of half a dozen records please. Maybe a couple of very
>>> short,
>>>>> a
>>>>>> couple of the longest and a couple of average.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How big is the db file size - MB not record count?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Michael Doub<mikedoub at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I need some database consulting help.   I have created an SQLite
>>>>> database
>>>>>>> that has 4 fields:
>>>>>>> ID, URL, tag, local.   IS is integer, unique, URL is text not null
>>>>> unique
>>>>>>> and tag and local are just text.   I have 600,000+ records. I use the
>>>>> ID to
>>>>>>> access each record in most cases or I am filtering trying to find
>>>>> records
>>>>>>> based on the contents of the tag, URL or local fields.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It seems to take forever to open the database.  This is normal?   I am
>>>>>>> primarily using the database to make sure that I do not have
>>> non-unique
>>>>>>> URLs, adding performance and selects seem reasonable.   I am just
>>>>> surprised
>>>>>>> about the open performance  Does opening the database load a lot of
>>>>>>> information into memory thus the long delay?   Could I have created
>>> the
>>>>>>> database in someway that is not optimal, thus causing the delay?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is not a livecode issue as I am seeing the same delay when I open
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> database with sqlitebrowser.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any advise or incites in how sqlite actually works would be
>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>      Mike
>>>>>>> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 24 13:03:59 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:03:59 -0700
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <C024F693-4566-457D-9D10-65EF1A226308@livecode.com>
References: <C024F693-4566-457D-9D10-65EF1A226308@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <55B26FFF.8050806@fourthworld.com>

Mark Waddingham wrote:

 > I'd get your hdd checked out asap.

This is a good opportunity for all of us to remember that portable 
large-capacity hard drives are dirt cheap compared to the cost of lost 
data.  A USB 3.0 1TB drive can be picked up at the corner market for 
about US$60, and a 2TB drive for under US$85.

I know everyone here already has multiple redundant daily backups 
anyway, but there was a time many years ago when I didn't, and I paid 
for it dearly.

Now I have one copy of everything in the cloud, three in my office, and 
three at home which are rotated through the office so at least one of 
those offsite backups is never older than 24 hrs.

With an rsync script backing up is super-fast and as easy as typing a 
single word in Terminal.  Yes, I also use Time Machine, but relying on 
any single backup isn't enough; drives fail, software fails, archives 
corrupt, merde happens.  rsync takes only a few minutes to learn and can 
move large amounts of data with ease anywhere, a perfect compliment to 
other backup systems for multiple redundancy.

Far more than needed?  Exactly.  Disks are cheap, but time is the rarest 
commodity in the universe.

Last year my MacBook Pro started acting wonky so before I ran any 
diagnostics the first thing I did was make a full backup.  Good thing: 
the mobo died half an hour later. I just copied the files I needed to 
another machine and was back to work in minutes.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 24 13:21:18 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:21:18 -0400
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <55B26FFF.8050806@fourthworld.com>
References: <C024F693-4566-457D-9D10-65EF1A226308@livecode.com>
	<55B26FFF.8050806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNsjYMqJyznTG=nfvC=tX=-ptz159FKPOEuwf2bC+AQ3g@mail.gmail.com>

As long as we're on this topic, I can't get over how much faster my POC
MacBook Air is than my not-so POC Mac Mini.  The former has an ssd, the
latter, a regular HD.  The former has a 1.4 ghz i5 with 4GB RAM, and the
latter a 2.3 ghz i5 with 16 GB RAM.  That SSD makes the air scream.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Mark Waddingham wrote:
>
> > I'd get your hdd checked out asap.
>
> This is a good opportunity for all of us to remember that portable
> large-capacity hard drives are dirt cheap compared to the cost of lost
> data.  A USB 3.0 1TB drive can be picked up at the corner market for about
> US$60, and a 2TB drive for under US$85.
>
> I know everyone here already has multiple redundant daily backups anyway,
> but there was a time many years ago when I didn't, and I paid for it dearly.
>
> Now I have one copy of everything in the cloud, three in my office, and
> three at home which are rotated through the office so at least one of those
> offsite backups is never older than 24 hrs.
>
> With an rsync script backing up is super-fast and as easy as typing a
> single word in Terminal.  Yes, I also use Time Machine, but relying on any
> single backup isn't enough; drives fail, software fails, archives corrupt,
> merde happens.  rsync takes only a few minutes to learn and can move large
> amounts of data with ease anywhere, a perfect compliment to other backup
> systems for multiple redundancy.
>
> Far more than needed?  Exactly.  Disks are cheap, but time is the rarest
> commodity in the universe.
>
> Last year my MacBook Pro started acting wonky so before I ran any
> diagnostics the first thing I did was make a full backup.  Good thing: the
> mobo died half an hour later. I just copied the files I needed to another
> machine and was back to work in minutes.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul 24 13:36:51 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:36:51 -0400
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performance
In-Reply-To: <55B26FFF.8050806@fourthworld.com>
References: <C024F693-4566-457D-9D10-65EF1A226308@livecode.com>
	<55B26FFF.8050806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <003801d0c637$53b49970$fb1dcc50$@net>

+10

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Gaskin
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:04 PM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: LiveCode and SQLite performace

Mark Waddingham wrote:

 > I'd get your hdd checked out asap.

This is a good opportunity for all of us to remember that portable
large-capacity hard drives are dirt cheap compared to the cost of lost data.
A USB 3.0 1TB drive can be picked up at the corner market for about US$60,
and a 2TB drive for under US$85.

I know everyone here already has multiple redundant daily backups anyway,
but there was a time many years ago when I didn't, and I paid for it dearly.

Now I have one copy of everything in the cloud, three in my office, and
three at home which are rotated through the office so at least one of those
offsite backups is never older than 24 hrs.

With an rsync script backing up is super-fast and as easy as typing a single
word in Terminal.  Yes, I also use Time Machine, but relying on any single
backup isn't enough; drives fail, software fails, archives corrupt, merde
happens.  rsync takes only a few minutes to learn and can move large amounts
of data with ease anywhere, a perfect compliment to other backup systems for
multiple redundancy.

Far more than needed?  Exactly.  Disks are cheap, but time is the rarest
commodity in the universe.

Last year my MacBook Pro started acting wonky so before I ran any
diagnostics the first thing I did was make a full backup.  Good thing: 
the mobo died half an hour later. I just copied the files I needed to
another machine and was back to work in minutes.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Jul 24 13:58:57 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:58:57 +0000
Subject: Anomalous Script behavior
In-Reply-To: <B697836D-FA19-4090-A24E-388AEC00BF15@livecode.com>
References: <C739AF10-9185-44AF-8D72-01F131976FC6@me.com>
	<B697836D-FA19-4090-A24E-388AEC00BF15@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNBphsxyqC5+ebTK=1uC9sF7am2h7F9OoXJgiBMjdj5WA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark,
Unfortunately, I don't recall the exact circumstances where this happened
because it's been a while.  I seem to remember it was a call to one of the
datagrid library handlers with a bad parameter that caused the handler
containing the handler to stop executing with no error message shown.  I
should have submitted a QCC report and will be sure to do so if and when it
happens again.

I can say with confidence that it was with an LC version prior to 6.7 and
that it was not related to a player callback.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:42 AM Mark Waddingham <mark at livecode.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> Do you see a similar thing in 6.7?
>
> The reason I ask is that if the problem is only occurring in an a handler
> being invoked by the engine as part of callbacks set by the callback
> property on a player it could be something to do with that specific case.
>
> The player implementation on Mac changed completely from 6.7 onwards...
>
> Mark.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 24 Jul 2015, at 06:15, Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:
> >
> > Using LC 7.1 dp1
> >
> > Part of a script sometimes doesn?t function?sometimes it works just
> fine. Sometimes it refuses to continue to execute the rest of a handler.
> This refusal will happen over and over until some point in my testing it
> starts working again beautifully.
> >
> > It?s a group script with 35,655 characters. Is there a limit to the
> number of characters?
> >
> > I put in breakpoints that are sometimes reached, sometimes not.
> >
> > It?s a handler that is being called by callbacks in a player as the
> media plays, so it?s difficult to debug while the media is playing. So I
> put some code in to put data into a field when those lines of the script
> are reached. Then I can see the progression through the script in real
> time. When it?s not working properly, while the handler IS receiving the
> callback calls, that field stays empty.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Peter Bogdanoff
> > UCLA
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 15:07:43 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:07:43 -0400
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performance
In-Reply-To: <003801d0c637$53b49970$fb1dcc50$@net>
References: <C024F693-4566-457D-9D10-65EF1A226308@livecode.com>	<55B26FFF.8050806@fourthworld.com>
	<003801d0c637$53b49970$fb1dcc50$@net>
Message-ID: <55B28CFF.3000702@gmail.com>

First off, I want to thank all of you that have given me suggestions.  
It really is appreciated.   Here is the update.

I backed up all of my data to an external drive and did a complete 
re-installation of the OS, then resorted the data.   The first few tests 
of the database were fine, but after waiting a few hrs and trying again 
I saw the long open time again.  At this point I exported all of the 
data to csv file and to sql file.    I recreated the database file with 
a table where I definitely specified the ID as primary key.   I imported 
the csv data.  I tried importing the sql but I aborted the process after 
an hour, as the progress was really poor.  The csv import was done in 
under a minute.   Now open times are a consistent 7 seconds with the 
load of the entire database into a variable is 4 seconds.   I did all of 
this last night and I am seeing the same behavior this afternoon.

So my take on this is that I did have a systems issue that was slowing 
things down, but I also think that the database was not configured 
correctly initially.

Anyway, I am operational again.   And thanks again for your kind help.

-= Mike



On 7/24/15 1:36 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> +10
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Gaskin
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:04 PM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: LiveCode and SQLite performace
>
> Mark Waddingham wrote:
>
>   > I'd get your hdd checked out asap.
>
> This is a good opportunity for all of us to remember that portable
> large-capacity hard drives are dirt cheap compared to the cost of lost data.
> A USB 3.0 1TB drive can be picked up at the corner market for about US$60,
> and a 2TB drive for under US$85.
>
> I know everyone here already has multiple redundant daily backups anyway,
> but there was a time many years ago when I didn't, and I paid for it dearly.
>
> Now I have one copy of everything in the cloud, three in my office, and
> three at home which are rotated through the office so at least one of those
> offsite backups is never older than 24 hrs.
>
> With an rsync script backing up is super-fast and as easy as typing a single
> word in Terminal.  Yes, I also use Time Machine, but relying on any single
> backup isn't enough; drives fail, software fails, archives corrupt, merde
> happens.  rsync takes only a few minutes to learn and can move large amounts
> of data with ease anywhere, a perfect compliment to other backup systems for
> multiple redundancy.
>
> Far more than needed?  Exactly.  Disks are cheap, but time is the rarest
> commodity in the universe.
>
> Last year my MacBook Pro started acting wonky so before I ran any
> diagnostics the first thing I did was make a full backup.  Good thing:
> the mobo died half an hour later. I just copied the files I needed to
> another machine and was back to work in minutes.
>
> --
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Jul 24 15:15:35 2015
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 21:15:35 +0200
Subject: AW: Best practise for a quiz control?
In-Reply-To: <1437746058266-4694305.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <006b01d0c5f5$1e083c60$5a18b520$@kestner.de>
	<1437746058266-4694305.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <00e201d0c645$1e89ba10$5b9d2e30$@kestner.de>

Hi Tim,
thanks for your recommendation
Tiemo


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Betreff: Re: Best practise for a quiz control?

Hi.
I would definitely write my own handler to manage and display the questions
and call that handler with a Send command instead of the forever loop. 
-- Tom Bodine




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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Jul 24 16:35:40 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 20:35:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Force window on second display
References: <CAO8Ty4PHFY94-L7n-xXiGykkvGipy11kMAc+xCqnZS2BW_3L1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B23C86.2070501@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAO8Ty4O666SBhN24fRTXty++NMPAcWZeAr+wLCN0ub74bmnPiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B24272.4000408@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAO8Ty4Ph=Qu=qBbSgWRGijeRPc2hLHsGtS7jU6e3Zu+g8m-eRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150724T223324-464@post.gmane.org>

Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <skip at ...> writes:

> > put line 2 of the screenRects into myRect

...although to make sure you stay out of trouble you might want

put line -1 of the screenRects into myRect

instead. That way if the second monitor gets unhooked you'll
still be able to see the stack.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com






From sundown at pacifier.com  Fri Jul 24 17:41:48 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 14:41:48 -0700
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <55B25793.9080108@fourthworld.com>
References: <D9779303-6AF8-4573-AA5A-B9FEAFF65DE8@pacifier.com>
	<55B25793.9080108@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <88FDAE34-CDFB-4459-84AE-C6BBFEF5FAEB@pacifier.com>

Thanks to everyone for the info.  It looks like
I need to run some test on it.

John Balgenorth



On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> The guidelines I'd read were about 15% IIRC;  I believe there used to be a tech note on this, but I can no longer find it at apple.com.  Most third-party sites discussing this cite 15%.
> 
> If OS X required us to never use half of our disk space that would be quite a public controversy, since that's far beyond what any other file system requires and would represent a tremendous waste of storage resources.
> 
> If you have poor performance on a Mac that has more than 15% free, chances are free space isn't the cause.
> 
> There may be other issues with the drive (+1 for Disk Warrior), or either the primary or a secondary drive has a power-scaling feature that lets the platter rest when not in use, or corrupted b-tree elements, or any number of other factors.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> John Balgenorth wrote:
> 
>> 10% might work for you but it definitely does not
>> work for me.  I have a 1tb drive and 348 gb free
>> space.  Most operations run slower than normal.
>> I deleted about 150gb of music to bring it up to
>> 350gb because it ran too slow to use.  Now it
>> runs fast enough to use but I still have a lot of
>> wasted time.  I had a 350gb drive and had the
>> same problems way before 35gb free space.
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:15 AM, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> A rule of thumb for Mac is 10% of drive being free...
>>> 
>>> I find iStat Menus a useful tool for continuous monitoring of vital parameters (just a happy user).
>>> 
>>> RObert
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 23.07.2015 at 15:37 Uhr -0700 JB apparently wrote:
>>>> If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
>>>> you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
>>>> space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
>>>> with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
>>>> space on the drive.  Anything below that and
>>>> it normal operations like opening files will be
>>>> slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
>>>> the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
>>>> you can speed things up a little by relaunching
>>>> the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
>>>> Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
>>>> a temporary fix.
>>>> 
>>>> John Balgenorth
> 
> 
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Fri Jul 24 20:05:43 2015
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:05:43 -0700
Subject: Referencing a control name
Message-ID: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>

Hi all,

I have this data in a field "MyField":

	button "Home",37,26,2,699

I want to reference that data like this:

	set the width of <item 1 of line 1 of field ?MyField?> to item 2 of line 1 of field ?MyField?

How do I script the stuff inside the <> ? Sometimes that item will be a field, graphic, etc.

Having a brain freeze.

Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA

From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Jul 24 20:26:01 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 02:26:01 +0200
Subject: Referencing a control name
In-Reply-To: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
References: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
Message-ID: <3388D8A1-5079-401D-AABE-EFAF9CDAF26A@economy-x-talk.com>

First put the reference into a variable and then

Set the width of myVar to x 

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Op 25 jul. 2015 om 02:05 heeft Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have this data in a field "MyField":
> 
>    button "Home",37,26,2,699
> 
> I want to reference that data like this:
> 
>    set the width of <item 1 of line 1 of field ?MyField?> to item 2 of line 1 of field ?MyField?
> 
> How do I script the stuff inside the <> ? Sometimes that item will be a field, graphic, etc.
> 
> Having a brain freeze.
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff
> UCLA
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Jul 24 20:30:52 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 20:30:52 -0400
Subject: Referencing a control name
In-Reply-To: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
References: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
Message-ID: <004b01d0c671$298e2550$7caa6ff0$@net>

Also "control" is a synonym for field, button, image.....

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Bogdanoff
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:06 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Referencing a control name

Hi all,

I have this data in a field "MyField":

	button "Home",37,26,2,699

I want to reference that data like this:

	set the width of <item 1 of line 1 of field "MyField"> to item 2 of
line 1 of field "MyField"

How do I script the stuff inside the <> ? Sometimes that item will be a
field, graphic, etc.

Having a brain freeze.

Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Jul 24 20:43:09 2015
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:43:09 -0700
Subject: Referencing a control name
In-Reply-To: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
References: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
Message-ID: <44F73F52-C190-4EBF-96DB-5ED3DE545E6B@mail.com>


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:
> 
> I want to reference that data like this:
> 
> 	set the width of <item 1 of line 1 of field ?MyField?> to item 2 of line 1 of field ?MyField?
> 
> How do I script the stuff inside the <> ? Sometimes that item will be a field, graphic, etc.
> 


Hi, Peter.  You could just replace your delimiters:

set the width of (item 1 of line 1 of field ?MyField?) to item 2 of line 1 of field ?MyField?

? Dick


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Jul 24 22:49:39 2015
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 12:49:39 +1000
Subject: [ANN] mergExt support for iOS 8.4
Message-ID: <CEAA567A-A28A-43F8-A77B-D152005F28EC@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi LiveCoders

I?ve just uploaded new builds for all my externals that support iOS 8.4 so you can build your apps against Xcode 6.4 using the latest versions of LiveCode. While you?re at the site downloading the new releases be sure to check to see how much time you have left on your access so you can take advantage of the 20% off offer if you still have some time left. It?s on the right side of the screen below your name. 

The other thing worth noting is I currently have a poll going on the LiveCode User Group on facebook to decide what to implement next. At the moment adding Directions support to mergMK looks like the most feasible out of the popular options. I will have some good news on CoreBluetooth (BLE) shortly anyway.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/livecodeusers/permalink/893125430726308/?qa_ref=qd <https://www.facebook.com/groups/livecodeusers/permalink/893125430726308/?qa_ref=qd>

Cheers

Monte

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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat Jul 25 02:12:33 2015
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:12:33 -0700
Subject: [ANN] mergExt support for iOS 8.4
In-Reply-To: <CEAA567A-A28A-43F8-A77B-D152005F28EC@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <CEAA567A-A28A-43F8-A77B-D152005F28EC@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <490B6E4B-38E1-4BDB-9609-DE24183BFD7E@elementarysoftware.com>

Great News!  Thanks
?
Scott Morrow

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi LiveCoders
> 
> I?ve just uploaded new builds for all my externals that support iOS 8.4 so you can build your apps against Xcode 6.4 using the latest versions of LiveCode. While you?re at the site downloading the new releases be sure to check to see how much time you have left on your access so you can take advantage of the 20% off offer if you still have some time left. It?s on the right side of the screen below your name. 
> 
> The other thing worth noting is I currently have a poll going on the LiveCode User Group on facebook to decide what to implement next. At the moment adding Directions support to mergMK looks like the most feasible out of the popular options. I will have some good news on CoreBluetooth (BLE) shortly anyway.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/livecodeusers/permalink/893125430726308/?qa_ref=qd <https://www.facebook.com/groups/livecodeusers/permalink/893125430726308/?qa_ref=qd>
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Sat Jul 25 06:41:39 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:41:39 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
Message-ID: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>

When I draw a graphic segment with something like below how do I use mouseEnter & mouseLeave.

I want to only receive a mouseEnter & mouseLeave when the mouse leaves the coloured segment not the overall rect used in creating the segment.

private Command drawASegment tLeft,tTop,tRight,tBottom,tRadius,tStartAngle,tArcAngle,tColor
   lock screen
   lock messages
   set the style of the templateGraphic to oval
   create grc in me
   put the id of the last grc of me into tID
   set the antialiased of grc id tID to true
   set the rect of grc id tID to tLeft,tTop,tRight,tBottom
   set the startangle of grc id tID to tStartAngle
   set the arcangle of grc id tID to tArcAngle
   set the backcolor of grc id tID to tColor
   set the showFill of grc id tID to true
   set the forecolor of grc id tID to tColor
   set the lineSize of grc id tID to 1
   set the locked of grc id tID to true   
   unlock messages
   unlock screen
end drawASegment


All the best

Terry

From dunbarx at aol.com  Sat Jul 25 07:37:24 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 07:37:24 -0400
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <14ec500d918-57c3-ed92@webprd-a67.mail.aol.com>

There were a couple of threads on this, detecting only the actual visible graphic instead of its bounding rect.


I remember suggesting using the mouseColor function with the mouseMove message, which probably works,, but there were more clever handlers offered, that took another tack using deeper attributes of LC. I cannot remember who or how. But someone will chime in...


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 6:42 am
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment


When I draw a graphic segment with something like below how do I use mouseEnter
& mouseLeave.

I want to only receive a mouseEnter & mouseLeave when the mouse
leaves the coloured segment not the overall rect used in creating the
segment.

private Command drawASegment
tLeft,tTop,tRight,tBottom,tRadius,tStartAngle,tArcAngle,tColor
   lock screen

lock messages
   set the style of the templateGraphic to oval
   create grc in
me
   put the id of the last grc of me into tID
   set the antialiased of grc
id tID to true
   set the rect of grc id tID to tLeft,tTop,tRight,tBottom
  
set the startangle of grc id tID to tStartAngle
   set the arcangle of grc id
tID to tArcAngle
   set the backcolor of grc id tID to tColor
   set the
showFill of grc id tID to true
   set the forecolor of grc id tID to tColor
  
set the lineSize of grc id tID to 1
   set the locked of grc id tID to true  

   unlock messages
   unlock screen
end drawASegment


All the
best

Terry
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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Sat Jul 25 09:05:20 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 14:05:20 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <14ec500d918-57c3-ed92@webprd-a67.mail.aol.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<14ec500d918-57c3-ed92@webprd-a67.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <269A751D-17EC-46F7-8D00-A0AD50D9BDBA@icloud.com>

Thanks for the suggestion.

I have tried it and sometimes it works but on other occasions not.

When I display the mouseColor against the check colour sometimes they are different.

I have assumed they are different because all the pixels in a given segment on the screen are not the same colour?

The purpose for doing this is to try and identify the segment the mouse is over in a pie chart.


> On 25 Jul 2015, at 12:37, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> 
> I remember suggesting using the mouseColor function with the mouseMove message


All the best

Terry

From sritcp at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 10:22:47 2015
From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 07:22:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Referencing a control name
In-Reply-To: <44F73F52-C190-4EBF-96DB-5ED3DE545E6B@mail.com>
References: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
	<44F73F52-C190-4EBF-96DB-5ED3DE545E6B@mail.com>
Message-ID: <1437834167753-4694334.post@n4.nabble.com>

The parenthesis placements are key in such references as they change the
order of command processing.

For example:
1. Create a button "Test1" of width 82 (say)
2. Create a field "Field1" of width 168 (say) containing the text: /button
"Test1"/
3. Type into message box 
put the width of field "Field1"
Answer: 168
4. Type into message box
put the width of (field "Field1")
Answer: 82

Regards,
Sri



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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Jul 25 10:35:23 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (EED-wp Email)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 08:35:23 -0600
Subject: Referencing a control name
In-Reply-To: <1437834167753-4694334.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
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Sri
It may be bad practice to use the word "field" in the name of a field. However, i suspect there's more to it.?
Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Jul 25, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Sri <sritcp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The parenthesis placements are key in such references as they change the
> order of command processing.
> 
> For example:
> 1. Create a button "Test1" of width 82 (say)
> 2. Create a field "Field1" of width 168 (say) containing the text: /button
> "Test1"/
> 3. Type into message box 
> put the width of field "Field1"
> Answer: 168
> 4. Type into message box
> put the width of (field "Field1")
> Answer: 82
> 
> Regards,
> Sri
> 
> 
> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 11:02:45 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:02:45 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <269A751D-17EC-46F7-8D00-A0AD50D9BDBA@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<14ec500d918-57c3-ed92@webprd-a67.mail.aol.com>
	<269A751D-17EC-46F7-8D00-A0AD50D9BDBA@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpJxLo+wfAzvgpt2RyNvOX-geJ3DWmFc0kMMeXfKaONUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Would something like this work? I set up a pixel sized graphic and have it
follow the mouseloc. Set the visible of it to false so you don't see a
little dot trailing after the mouse, then use intersect to check when the
pixel is over a non-transparent part of a graphic.

on mousemove
   set the loc of grc 1 to the mouseloc -- follow the mouse around
   Repeat with i = 2 to (the number of graphics in this stack) -- the dot
is the first grc
      if intersect(grc 1,grc i,"pixels") then -- cycle through the graphics
and check for intersect
          put the long id of grc i -- if there is one, put the id into the
msg box
      else
           put empty -- else empty the msg box
      end if
   end repeat
end mousemove

I don't recall who to give credit to for this method, but i've seen it in
the forums somewhere.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> I have tried it and sometimes it works but on other occasions not.
>
> When I display the mouseColor against the check colour sometimes they are
> different.
>
> I have assumed they are different because all the pixels in a given
> segment on the screen are not the same colour?
>
> The purpose for doing this is to try and identify the segment the mouse is
> over in a pie chart.
>
>
> > On 25 Jul 2015, at 12:37, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I remember suggesting using the mouseColor function with the mouseMove
> message
>
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Jul 25 11:26:37 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:26:37 -0400
Subject: Calendar Picker
Message-ID: <CADCoycOLcrRcJp2Wu9mbegTkyjZbyZZPK9tV=t5JpEt20CiSRg@mail.gmail.com>

Has anybody done a calendar picker?  I want to add something to an ios app.

-- 
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 11:38:35 2015
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 17:38:35 +0200
Subject: Referencing a control name
In-Reply-To: <1437834167753-4694334.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
	<44F73F52-C190-4EBF-96DB-5ED3DE545E6B@mail.com>
	<1437834167753-4694334.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO4AWigVehcRfRfCFFM-ctPomYoiNudB7V7k7Jrjz8YPmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sri,

Try this:

on mouseUp
   put the width of field "Field1"
   put the width of (field "Field1")
end mouseUp

but put this script in a button, not the message box!

This should give you the trick.

HTH,

Thierry

------------------------------------------------
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Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage


2015-07-25 16:22 GMT+02:00 Sri <sritcp at gmail.com>:
> The parenthesis placements are key in such references as they change the
> order of command processing.
>
> For example:
> 1. Create a button "Test1" of width 82 (say)
> 2. Create a field "Field1" of width 168 (say) containing the text: /button
> "Test1"/
> 3. Type into message box
> put the width of field "Field1"
> Answer: 168
> 4. Type into message box
> put the width of (field "Field1")
> Answer: 82
>
> Regards,
> Sri
>
>
>
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From paul at livecode.org  Sat Jul 25 12:13:59 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:13:59 -0700
Subject: Calendar Picker
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOLcrRcJp2Wu9mbegTkyjZbyZZPK9tV=t5JpEt20CiSRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycOLcrRcJp2Wu9mbegTkyjZbyZZPK9tV=t5JpEt20CiSRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FD72DF44-7563-4CD9-A0AE-FA0EF74E2E34@livecode.org>

Not to sure how iOS friendly these are, but there?s one by Bob Cole on LiveCode's share site:

http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/452/Calendar-Picker

There?s also a (?49.00) commercial one available from Flexible Learning:

http://www.flexiblelearning.com/datepicker/ - I think this one appears to be desktop only though looking at their sales page.

Paul


> On Jul 25, 2015, at 08:26, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anybody done a calendar picker?  I want to add something to an ios app.
> 
> -- 
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From sritcp at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 12:19:04 2015
From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:19:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Referencing a control name
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO4AWigVehcRfRfCFFM-ctPomYoiNudB7V7k7Jrjz8YPmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
	<44F73F52-C190-4EBF-96DB-5ED3DE545E6B@mail.com>
	<1437834167753-4694334.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAO8ucO4AWigVehcRfRfCFFM-ctPomYoiNudB7V7k7Jrjz8YPmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1437841144778-4694340.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Thierry:
It does exactly the same as my example - whether you put it in a button or
from the message box. It refers to the field object without the parenthesis,
and to the button object with parenthesis. This is due to the fact that the
parenthesis is evaluated before the rest, as I had hinted.

Am I missing something?

Sri.




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From sritcp at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 12:21:15 2015
From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 09:21:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Referencing a control name
In-Reply-To: <03D0331B-7018-45E6-A2E0-EECA84149978@earthednet.org>
References: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
	<44F73F52-C190-4EBF-96DB-5ED3DE545E6B@mail.com>
	<1437834167753-4694334.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<03D0331B-7018-45E6-A2E0-EECA84149978@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <1437841275315-4694341.post@n4.nabble.com>

Wprothero wrote
> Sri
> It may be bad practice to use the word "field" in the name of a field.
> However, i suspect there's more to it.?

Hi Bill:

This is just a quick example I contrived to prove a point.
I never use "field" for a field's name; I give (very) descriptive names to
my objects!

Regards,
Sri.



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Jul 25 13:31:08 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 10:31:08 -0700
Subject: Calendar Picker
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOLcrRcJp2Wu9mbegTkyjZbyZZPK9tV=t5JpEt20CiSRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycOLcrRcJp2Wu9mbegTkyjZbyZZPK9tV=t5JpEt20CiSRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B3C7DC.1010809@fourthworld.com>

Mike Kerner wrote:

 > Has anybody done a calendar picker?  I want to add something to an
 > ios app.

mobilePickDate?

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  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul 25 14:44:32 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 13:44:32 -0500
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/25/2015 5:41 AM, Terence Heaford wrote:
> I want to only receive a mouseEnter & mouseLeave when the mouse
> leaves the coloured segment not the overall rect used in creating the
> segment.

This happens automatically if the graphic is a filled, opaque polygon. 
It also works with an oval if the arcAngle is 360 (full circle) but 
fails if it's anything else. It's interesting to note that the 
mouseEnter and mouseLeave are sent correctly if you approach the pie 
slice from the curved edge of the virtual circle; it only fails if 
approaching from the "cut" edges.

There are two ways to write most functions, and in the case of "within" 
the behavior is slightly different. If you use "is within" then the test 
is done against the entire rectangle of the control. If you use 
"within()" the test is done against only the filled portion. "Within()" 
fails in the same way as the mouse messages when applied to an arc. I'd 
say it's a bug.

The color test should work if you don't use a gradient or other graphic 
effects, just a solid fill. Or you might be able to do something fancy 
by faking a pie slice using a freehand graphic with lots of points along 
the curved edge, but that's more math than I can do.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Jul 25 14:49:37 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 13:49:37 -0500
Subject: Referencing a control name
In-Reply-To: <1437834167753-4694334.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>	<44F73F52-C190-4EBF-96DB-5ED3DE545E6B@mail.com>
	<1437834167753-4694334.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <55B3DA41.5070706@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/25/2015 9:22 AM, Sri wrote:
> The parenthesis placements are key in such references as they change the
> order of command processing.
>
> For example:
> 1. Create a button "Test1" of width 82 (say)
> 2. Create a field "Field1" of width 168 (say) containing the text: /button
> "Test1"/
> 3. Type into message box
> put the width of field "Field1"
> Answer: 168
> 4. Type into message box
> put the width of (field "Field1")
> Answer: 82

This is working as expected. When you "get" a field, it is the same as 
getting the text of the field. In this case, the text is a reference to 
a button and because of the parentheses, the engine resolves that as a 
reference to the button control.

It is equivalent to:

get the text of fld "Field1" --> "button "test1"
put the width of it --> 82

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From t.heaford at icloud.com  Sat Jul 25 16:19:01 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 21:19:01 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <172A230B-8EC9-4C1C-8A03-3C6051AF8022@icloud.com>



> On 25 Jul 2015, at 19:44, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
>  Or you might be able to do something fancy by faking a pie slice using a freehand graphic with lots of points along the curved edge, but that's more math than I can do.

I have been giving this a little thought and think it?s achievable through some mathematics.

This is a pie chart and I want to know which segment has been clicked.

I thought the following may work, not implemented yet so any thoughts would be appreciated.

???????

When creating a segment save the start and end angle in the graphic.

The centre of the pie chart is known.

The radius/diameter is known.

Check the mouse click is within the diameter of the pie.

Calculate the angle of the mouse location.

Repeat through the graphics of the pie checking for the graphic where the mouse angle is between the start and end angles.

Now we know the ID of the graphic.

--------------

Dose this make sense before I start trying to implement it?

All the best

Terry

From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 17:28:47 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:28:47 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Terry, heres a working example of the method I mentioned if you'd like
to try it.  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/mouseover.livecode

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:44 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 7/25/2015 5:41 AM, Terence Heaford wrote:
>
>> I want to only receive a mouseEnter & mouseLeave when the mouse
>> leaves the coloured segment not the overall rect used in creating the
>> segment.
>>
>
> This happens automatically if the graphic is a filled, opaque polygon. It
> also works with an oval if the arcAngle is 360 (full circle) but fails if
> it's anything else. It's interesting to note that the mouseEnter and
> mouseLeave are sent correctly if you approach the pie slice from the curved
> edge of the virtual circle; it only fails if approaching from the "cut"
> edges.
>
> There are two ways to write most functions, and in the case of "within"
> the behavior is slightly different. If you use "is within" then the test is
> done against the entire rectangle of the control. If you use "within()" the
> test is done against only the filled portion. "Within()" fails in the same
> way as the mouse messages when applied to an arc. I'd say it's a bug.
>
> The color test should work if you don't use a gradient or other graphic
> effects, just a solid fill. Or you might be able to do something fancy by
> faking a pie slice using a freehand graphic with lots of points along the
> curved edge, but that's more math than I can do.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 17:37:05 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:37:05 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Added some tweaks to make it function better, it works pretty well now, Try
re-downloading for the newest version.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/mouseover.livecode

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Terry, heres a working example of the method I mentioned if you'd like
> to try it.
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/mouseover.livecode
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:44 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2015 5:41 AM, Terence Heaford wrote:
>>
>>> I want to only receive a mouseEnter & mouseLeave when the mouse
>>> leaves the coloured segment not the overall rect used in creating the
>>> segment.
>>>
>>
>> This happens automatically if the graphic is a filled, opaque polygon. It
>> also works with an oval if the arcAngle is 360 (full circle) but fails if
>> it's anything else. It's interesting to note that the mouseEnter and
>> mouseLeave are sent correctly if you approach the pie slice from the curved
>> edge of the virtual circle; it only fails if approaching from the "cut"
>> edges.
>>
>> There are two ways to write most functions, and in the case of "within"
>> the behavior is slightly different. If you use "is within" then the test is
>> done against the entire rectangle of the control. If you use "within()" the
>> test is done against only the filled portion. "Within()" fails in the same
>> way as the mouse messages when applied to an arc. I'd say it's a bug.
>>
>> The color test should work if you don't use a gradient or other graphic
>> effects, just a solid fill. Or you might be able to do something fancy by
>> faking a pie slice using a freehand graphic with lots of points along the
>> curved edge, but that's more math than I can do.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Sat Jul 25 23:33:31 2015
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:33:31 -0700
Subject: Referencing a control name
In-Reply-To: <55B3DA41.5070706@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5009CF50-005D-4534-8494-30DDA094DA4E@me.com>
	<44F73F52-C190-4EBF-96DB-5ED3DE545E6B@mail.com>
	<1437834167753-4694334.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<55B3DA41.5070706@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0E1591C8-4437-42AC-AFF4-2F7BEAF0FB5A@me.com>

Thank you to all that replied to my question--my learned and esteemed colleagues!

I got an education, and got the job done!

Thanks again,

Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA

On Jul 25, 2015, at 11:49 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 7/25/2015 9:22 AM, Sri wrote:
>> The parenthesis placements are key in such references as they change the
>> order of command processing.
>> 
>> For example:
>> 1. Create a button "Test1" of width 82 (say)
>> 2. Create a field "Field1" of width 168 (say) containing the text: /button
>> "Test1"/
>> 3. Type into message box
>> put the width of field "Field1"
>> Answer: 168
>> 4. Type into message box
>> put the width of (field "Field1")
>> Answer: 82
> 
> This is working as expected. When you "get" a field, it is the same as getting the text of the field. In this case, the text is a reference to a button and because of the parentheses, the engine resolves that as a reference to the button control.
> 
> It is equivalent to:
> 
> get the text of fld "Field1" --> "button "test1"
> put the width of it --> 82
> 
> -- 
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From bogdanoff at me.com  Sun Jul 26 02:27:06 2015
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 23:27:06 -0700
Subject: Anomalous Script behavior
In-Reply-To: <B697836D-FA19-4090-A24E-388AEC00BF15@livecode.com>
References: <C739AF10-9185-44AF-8D72-01F131976FC6@me.com>
	<B697836D-FA19-4090-A24E-388AEC00BF15@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <F789D6B9-416B-4381-B2D3-A528601910AA@me.com>

Mark,

I tried it  in LC 6.7.7 RC1 and did NOT see the problem.

(The same stack works properly in 6.3.1.)

Doubting my sanity, I went back and tried the very same stack in 7.1. RC1 and saw the problem immediately. The script just stops executing.

The player continues to send callbacks with apparently valid parameters (a digit) that do invoke the handler, but that handler won?t continue. No errors, no nada.

We really, really, really want to move to LC 7 for English/Chinese language and Unicode (Chinese looks great in 7, bad in 6). People in China are begging for us to make available our Music History program in China. We are happy to see the improved player in the newest version of LC as all our audio is on a remote server and the Chinese mostly use Windows.

As the Thermian Mathesar with fist over heart cries to Jason Nesmith in Galaxy Quest, ?You are our last hope!"

Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA


On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Mark Waddingham <mark at livecode.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> Do you see a similar thing in 6.7?
> 
> The reason I ask is that if the problem is only occurring in an a handler being invoked by the engine as part of callbacks set by the callback property on a player it could be something to do with that specific case.
> 
> The player implementation on Mac changed completely from 6.7 onwards...
> 
> Mark.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 24 Jul 2015, at 06:15, Peter Bogdanoff <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Using LC 7.1 dp1
>> 
>> Part of a script sometimes doesn?t function?sometimes it works just fine. Sometimes it refuses to continue to execute the rest of a handler. This refusal will happen over and over until some point in my testing it starts working again beautifully.
>> 
>> It?s a group script with 35,655 characters. Is there a limit to the number of characters?
>> 
>> I put in breakpoints that are sometimes reached, sometimes not.
>> 
>> It?s a handler that is being called by callbacks in a player as the media plays, so it?s difficult to debug while the media is playing. So I put some code in to put data into a field when those lines of the script are reached. Then I can see the progression through the script in real time. When it?s not working properly, while the handler IS receiving the callback calls, that field stays empty.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Peter Bogdanoff
>> UCLA
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Jul 26 03:11:21 2015
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 00:11:21 -0700
Subject: Calendar Picker
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOLcrRcJp2Wu9mbegTkyjZbyZZPK9tV=t5JpEt20CiSRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycOLcrRcJp2Wu9mbegTkyjZbyZZPK9tV=t5JpEt20CiSRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBC715B5-A1A9-42E2-AA91-A7EC40DAB1DF@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Mike,

I rolled my own iCal-looking interface for use on iPhone by starting with Sarah Reichelt?s calendar project as a jumping off point.  Her Troz-Ware site is now located at <http://troz.net> and all of her LiveCode examples have moved to github. The calendar stack is here:


<https://github.com/trozware/rev_stacks/blob/master/Calendar.rev>

?

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
office     1-800-615-0867
------------------------------------------------------



> On Jul 25, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anybody done a calendar picker?  I want to add something to an ios app.
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 06:50:41 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 18:50:41 +0800
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <55B26FFF.8050806@fourthworld.com>
References: <C024F693-4566-457D-9D10-65EF1A226308@livecode.com>
	<55B26FFF.8050806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kg21s=VDw3HceKmVAXQHYQjba-_t=uegsOZcsnDzcfHaw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Yes, I also use Time Machine, but relying on any single backup isn't
> enough;
>

TimeMachine can easily be set up to use multiple HDs so that you are not
relying on a single backup.

Even so I fully agree with everything you said. I have multiple HDs and use
different software set-up differently. I'm so paranoid of the loss of time
from HD/Computer failure that I run a regular clone so that should disaster
strike it's a straight unplug - replug and Start and hold down the Option
Key.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 07:14:49 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:14:49 +0800
Subject: revBrowserSet
In-Reply-To: <F50EFA95-0FCF-4DCE-8D76-7B1179B03A5C@icloud.com>
References: <83C65CCF-8453-4E48-8CDD-5D962CF4FE53@icloud.com>
	<CA+uh5kjXJzgddagis6jx7z9131Xri_c-B00ZJTZLKtNHk7XVPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<F50EFA95-0FCF-4DCE-8D76-7B1179B03A5C@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khqBnwLU64oT426KDykawGU8MTqfdbfmzV91nW4t2ERww@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
wrote:

>
> I thought put revBrowserSet gBrowserID,?htmlText?,theContentsOfgFile might
> work, but it doesn?t.
>
> Well it works perfectly for me so I can't figure out why it's not working
for you. As far as I know as long as 'theContentsOfgFile' is valid html
content then it should display fine in revBrowser.


From t.heaford at icloud.com  Sun Jul 26 14:17:34 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:17:34 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3C161240-F5FE-4775-BC03-9F3750272E89@icloud.com>


> On 25 Jul 2015, at 19:44, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> The color test should work if you don't use a gradient or other graphic effects, just a solid fill. 


The color test does not work consistently.

For example:

I filled the arc with 125,78,158

and mouseColor returned 125,79,158

Thus the test failed.

Why this happened I don?t know?


All the best

Terry

From t.heaford at icloud.com  Sun Jul 26 14:19:14 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:19:14 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32B7CE5F-B648-4414-8813-690329E9420A@icloud.com>


> On 25 Jul 2015, at 22:37, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Added some tweaks to make it function better, it works pretty well now, Try
> re-downloading for the newest version.


Is there any reason this would not work when the graphics are contained in a group as I can?t get it to work?


Thanks


Terry

From t.heaford at icloud.com  Sun Jul 26 14:26:14 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:26:14 +0100
Subject: revBrowserSet
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5khqBnwLU64oT426KDykawGU8MTqfdbfmzV91nW4t2ERww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <83C65CCF-8453-4E48-8CDD-5D962CF4FE53@icloud.com>
	<CA+uh5kjXJzgddagis6jx7z9131Xri_c-B00ZJTZLKtNHk7XVPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<F50EFA95-0FCF-4DCE-8D76-7B1179B03A5C@icloud.com>
	<CA+uh5khqBnwLU64oT426KDykawGU8MTqfdbfmzV91nW4t2ERww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9311B6DE-7E7B-434B-8A58-6AA730E2DF57@icloud.com>

Here is an example of HighCharts

When I drag an htm file onto the revBrowser or load the file using revBrowserNavigate gBrowserId, "file://" & gFile it works

When I put the html below into a LC field and try 

   put revBrowserExecuteScript(gBrowserId, the text of field "JavaScript?)

it fails.

Not sure why or even if it should work.


All the best


Terry

<!DOCTYPE HTML>
<html>
	<head>
		<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
		<title>BarChartTitle</title>

		<script type="text/javascript" src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.8.2/jquery.min.js"></script>
		<style type="text/css">
${demo.css}
		</style>
		<script type="text/javascript">
$(function () {
    $('#container').highcharts({
        chart: {
            type: 'column'
        },
        title: {
            text: 'Column chart with negative values'
        },
        xAxis: {
            categories: ['Apples', 'Oranges', 'Pears', 'Grapes', 'Bananas']
        },
        credits: {
            enabled: false
        },
        series: [{
            name: 'John',
            data: [5, 3, 4, 7, 2]
        }, {
            name: 'Jane',
            data: [2, -2, -3, 2, 1]
        }, {
            name: 'Joe',
            data: [3, 4, 4, -2, 5]
        }]
    });
});
		</script>
	</head>
	<body>
<script src="js/highcharts.js"></script>
<script src="js/modules/exporting.js"></script>

<div id="container" style="min-width: 310px; height: 400px; margin: 0 auto"></div>

	</body>
</html>







> On 26 Jul 2015, at 12:14, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I thought put revBrowserSet gBrowserID,?htmlText?,theContentsOfgFile might
>> work, but it doesn?t.
>> 
>> Well it works perfectly for me so I can't figure out why it's not working
> for you. As far as I know as long as 'theContentsOfgFile' is valid html
> content then it should display fine in revBrowser.
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 14:36:19 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 12:36:19 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <32B7CE5F-B648-4414-8813-690329E9420A@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<32B7CE5F-B648-4414-8813-690329E9420A@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpkC20fnPyZNrfTgZHBR=iPDpaNOWD5Sv-D7UDXv=Uk3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm. Let me look.  You did set up the one graphic (I used a line sized 2x2,
set to invis)  and have it follow the mouse around, right?  And no, as far
as I can tell a group makes no difference.

If you see from my test stack I have one tiny grc named "mousepoint" and
the first line of the mousemove is "set the loc of grc mousepoint to the
mouseloc"

Also, you might make sure you have the most recent version of the script.
I had to move one line out of the repeat loop to get the results I wanted.

Post your version of the mousemove handler if you wish, we can take a look
at it.

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
wrote:

>
> > On 25 Jul 2015, at 22:37, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Added some tweaks to make it function better, it works pretty well now,
> Try
> > re-downloading for the newest version.
>
>
> Is there any reason this would not work when the graphics are contained in
> a group as I can?t get it to work?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Terry
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Jul 26 14:57:07 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 13:57:07 -0500
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <3C161240-F5FE-4775-BC03-9F3750272E89@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3C161240-F5FE-4775-BC03-9F3750272E89@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <55B52D83.8050305@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/26/2015 1:17 PM, Terence Heaford wrote:
> I filled the arc with 125,78,158
>
> and mouseColor returned 125,79,158
>
> Thus the test failed.
>
> Why this happened I don?t know?

It could be the anti-aliasing.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From brahma at hindu.org  Sun Jul 26 15:31:13 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:31:13 -1000
Subject: Parsing and Extracting Text from ePub XHTML 
Message-ID: <55B53581.2040802@hindu.org>

We do a lot of work with the contents of ePubs. For those who don't know 
the spec:

"someBook.epub" is just "someBook.zip"

which when inflated has a mini-portable web site based on responsive CSS 
(all percentages). You get

someBook
/ops # "Open Package Structure"
/ fonts
/ images
/ styles
/ xhtml
toc.ncx

The xhtml folder then has all the these files:
ch09_05_b.html
ch09_05_c.html
ch09_06.html

etc.

The text is pretty advanced in the sense that it uses unicode... (I 
think) for rendering diacritical fonts. mdash's etc.

If I simply import the raw file unprocessed into a LC field (7.0.5)... I 
get the usual, expected text:

<h3 class="h3s"><samp>Is Monistic Theism Found in the <span 
class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas?</samp></span></samp></h3>
<h4 class="h4"><samp><span class="smallcap"><samp>&#346;LOKA 
145</samp></span></samp></h4>
<p class="noindent"><samp><span class="cmbold"><samp>Again and again in 
the <em>Vedas </em>and from <em>satgurus </em>we hear ???Aha&#7745; 
Brahm&#x101;smi,??? ???I am God,??? and that God is both immanent and 
transcendent. Taken together, these are clear statements of monistic 
theism. Aum Nama&#x1e25; &#x15a;iv&#x101;ya.</samp></span></samp></p>
<h4 class="h4"><samp><span 
class="smallcap"><samp>BH&#256;SHYA</samp></span></samp></h4>
<p class="noindent"><samp>Monistic theism is the philosophy of the <span 
class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span>. Scholars have long noted 
that the Hindu scriptures are alternately monistic, describing the 
oneness of the individual soul and God, and theistic, describing the 
reality of the Personal God. One cannot read the <span 
class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span>, <span 
class="cmitalic"><samp>&#x15a;aiva &#256;gamas</samp></span> and hymns 
of the saints without being overwhelmed with theism as well as monism. 
Monistic theism is the essential teaching of Hinduism, of &#x15a;aivism. 
It is the conclusion of Tirumular, Vasugupta, Gorakshanatha, Bhaskara, 
Srikantha, Basavanna, Vallabha, Ramakrishna, Yogaswami, Nityananda, 
Radhakrishnan and thousands of others. It encompasses both 
Siddh&#x101;nta and Ved&#x101;nta. It says, God is and is in all things. 
It propounds the hopeful, glorious, exultant concept that every soul 
will finally merge with &#x15a;iva in undifferentiated oneness, none 
left to suffer forever because of human transgression. The <span 
class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span> wisely proclaim, ???Higher 
and other than the world-tree, time and forms is He from whom this 
expanse proceeds???the bringer of <span 
class="cmitalic"><samp>dharma,</samp></span> the remover of evil, the 
lord of prosperity. Know Him as in one???s own Self, as the immortal 
abode of all.??? Aum Nama&#x1e25; &#x15a;iv&#x101;ya.</samp></p>

Goal is to create a tool for volunteers to go in and extract quotes to 
allow them to grab a few sentences, which we will them push to an online 
database.

So: What is the best way to get this text rendered? Do I go the path of 
setting the field's Unicode? But then what about the html mark up? if we 
create a browser object... can users select text and does LC know that 
there is a selected chunk if it is inside a browser object?

Before I start wading into this I though to see if anyone else has some 
good guidance in advance,


Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 15:45:31 2015
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:45:31 +0100
Subject: Parsing and Extracting Text from ePub XHTML
In-Reply-To: <55B53581.2040802@hindu.org>
References: <55B53581.2040802@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C768205F-48CF-4B2E-8607-25F07F234849@gmail.com>

Presumably you have already tried SET THE HTML TEXT OF FIELD "BLAH" TO . . .

Richmond.

from my jail-broken, recycled iPad 1


On 26 Jul 2015, at 20:31, Brahmanathaswami <brahma at hindu.org> wrote:

> We do a lot of work with the contents of ePubs. For those who don't know the spec:
> 
> "someBook.epub" is just "someBook.zip"
> 
> which when inflated has a mini-portable web site based on responsive CSS (all percentages). You get
> 
> someBook
> /ops # "Open Package Structure"
> / fonts
> / images
> / styles
> / xhtml
> toc.ncx
> 
> The xhtml folder then has all the these files:
> ch09_05_b.html
> ch09_05_c.html
> ch09_06.html
> 
> etc.
> 
> The text is pretty advanced in the sense that it uses unicode... (I think) for rendering diacritical fonts. mdash's etc.
> 
> If I simply import the raw file unprocessed into a LC field (7.0.5)... I get the usual, expected text:
> 
> <h3 class="h3s"><samp>Is Monistic Theism Found in the <span class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas?</samp></span></samp></h3>
> <h4 class="h4"><samp><span class="smallcap"><samp>&#346;LOKA 145</samp></span></samp></h4>
> <p class="noindent"><samp><span class="cmbold"><samp>Again and again in the <em>Vedas </em>and from <em>satgurus </em>we hear ???Aha&#7745; Brahm&#x101;smi,??? ???I am God,??? and that God is both immanent and transcendent. Taken together, these are clear statements of monistic theism. Aum Nama&#x1e25; &#x15a;iv&#x101;ya.</samp></span></samp></p>
> <h4 class="h4"><samp><span class="smallcap"><samp>BH&#256;SHYA</samp></span></samp></h4>
> <p class="noindent"><samp>Monistic theism is the philosophy of the <span class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span>. Scholars have long noted that the Hindu scriptures are alternately monistic, describing the oneness of the individual soul and God, and theistic, describing the reality of the Personal God. One cannot read the <span class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span>, <span class="cmitalic"><samp>&#x15a;aiva &#256;gamas</samp></span> and hymns of the saints without being overwhelmed with theism as well as monism. Monistic theism is the essential teaching of Hinduism, of &#x15a;aivism. It is the conclusion of Tirumular, Vasugupta, Gorakshanatha, Bhaskara, Srikantha, Basavanna, Vallabha, Ramakrishna, Yogaswami, Nityananda, Radhakrishnan and thousands of others. It encompasses both Siddh&#x101;nta and Ved&#x101;nta. It says, God is and is in all things. It propounds the hopeful, glorious, exultant concept that every soul will finally merge with &#x15a;iva in undifferentiated oneness, none left to suffer forever because of human transgression. The <span class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span> wisely proclaim, ???Higher and other than the world-tree, time and forms is He from whom this expanse proceeds???the bringer of <span class="cmitalic"><samp>dharma,</samp></span> the remover of evil, the lord of prosperity. Know Him as in one???s own Self, as the immortal abode of all.??? Aum Nama&#x1e25; &#x15a;iv&#x101;ya.</samp></p>
> 
> Goal is to create a tool for volunteers to go in and extract quotes to allow them to grab a few sentences, which we will them push to an online database.
> 
> So: What is the best way to get this text rendered? Do I go the path of setting the field's Unicode? But then what about the html mark up? if we create a browser object... can users select text and does LC know that there is a selected chunk if it is inside a browser object?
> 
> Before I start wading into this I though to see if anyone else has some good guidance in advance,
> 
> 
> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
> Brahmanathaswami
> 
> Kauai's Hindu Monastery
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Jul 26 16:46:12 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:46:12 +0200
Subject: Parsing and Extracting Text from ePub XHTML
In-Reply-To: <55B53581.2040802@hindu.org>
References: <55B53581.2040802@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <55B54714.7050102@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Brahmanathaswami,

This works on LC 6.7.3:

on mouseUp
      put fld 1 into x
      if the platform is not "MacOS" then
           // not sure why this works
           put isoToMac(x) into x
      end if
      put uniDecode(uniEncode(x,"UTF8")) into x
      set the htmlText of fld 2 to x
end mouseUp

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On 7/26/2015 21:31, Brahmanathaswami wrote:
> We do a lot of work with the contents of ePubs. For those who don't know
> the spec:
>
> "someBook.epub" is just "someBook.zip"
>
> which when inflated has a mini-portable web site based on responsive CSS
> (all percentages). You get
>
> someBook
> /ops # "Open Package Structure"
> / fonts
> / images
> / styles
> / xhtml
> toc.ncx
>
> The xhtml folder then has all the these files:
> ch09_05_b.html
> ch09_05_c.html
> ch09_06.html
>
> etc.
>
> The text is pretty advanced in the sense that it uses unicode... (I
> think) for rendering diacritical fonts. mdash's etc.
>
> If I simply import the raw file unprocessed into a LC field (7.0.5)... I
> get the usual, expected text:
>
> <h3 class="h3s"><samp>Is Monistic Theism Found in the <span
> class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas?</samp></span></samp></h3>
> <h4 class="h4"><samp><span class="smallcap"><samp>&#346;LOKA
> 145</samp></span></samp></h4>
> <p class="noindent"><samp><span class="cmbold"><samp>Again and again in
> the <em>Vedas </em>and from <em>satgurus </em>we hear ???Aha&#7745;
> Brahm&#x101;smi,??? ???I am God,??? and that God is both immanent and
> transcendent. Taken together, these are clear statements of monistic
> theism. Aum Nama&#x1e25; &#x15a;iv&#x101;ya.</samp></span></samp></p>
> <h4 class="h4"><samp><span
> class="smallcap"><samp>BH&#256;SHYA</samp></span></samp></h4>
> <p class="noindent"><samp>Monistic theism is the philosophy of the <span
> class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span>. Scholars have long noted
> that the Hindu scriptures are alternately monistic, describing the
> oneness of the individual soul and God, and theistic, describing the
> reality of the Personal God. One cannot read the <span
> class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span>, <span
> class="cmitalic"><samp>&#x15a;aiva &#256;gamas</samp></span> and hymns
> of the saints without being overwhelmed with theism as well as monism.
> Monistic theism is the essential teaching of Hinduism, of &#x15a;aivism.
> It is the conclusion of Tirumular, Vasugupta, Gorakshanatha, Bhaskara,
> Srikantha, Basavanna, Vallabha, Ramakrishna, Yogaswami, Nityananda,
> Radhakrishnan and thousands of others. It encompasses both
> Siddh&#x101;nta and Ved&#x101;nta. It says, God is and is in all things.
> It propounds the hopeful, glorious, exultant concept that every soul
> will finally merge with &#x15a;iva in undifferentiated oneness, none
> left to suffer forever because of human transgression. The <span
> class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span> wisely proclaim, ???Higher
> and other than the world-tree, time and forms is He from whom this
> expanse proceeds???the bringer of <span
> class="cmitalic"><samp>dharma,</samp></span> the remover of evil, the
> lord of prosperity. Know Him as in one???s own Self, as the immortal
> abode of all.??? Aum Nama&#x1e25; &#x15a;iv&#x101;ya.</samp></p>
>
> Goal is to create a tool for volunteers to go in and extract quotes to
> allow them to grab a few sentences, which we will them push to an online
> database.
>
> So: What is the best way to get this text rendered? Do I go the path of
> setting the field's Unicode? But then what about the html mark up? if we
> create a browser object... can users select text and does LC know that
> there is a selected chunk if it is inside a browser object?
>
> Before I start wading into this I though to see if anyone else has some
> good guidance in advance,
>
>
> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
> Brahmanathaswami
>
> Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com
>
>



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Jul 26 17:38:08 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 14:38:08 -0700
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpkC20fnPyZNrfTgZHBR=iPDpaNOWD5Sv-D7UDXv=Uk3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<32B7CE5F-B648-4414-8813-690329E9420A@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSpkC20fnPyZNrfTgZHBR=iPDpaNOWD5Sv-D7UDXv=Uk3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1DAA047.69FB5%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Works fine here.  Note that you'll likely get snappier performance by
locking/unlocking the screen at the beginning and end of the mouseMove
handler, as LC 7 can be pretty slow to natively update the screen.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/26/15, 11:36 AM, "Mike Bonner" <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

>Hmm. Let me look.  You did set up the one graphic (I used a line sized
>2x2,
>set to invis)  and have it follow the mouse around, right?  And no, as far
>as I can tell a group makes no difference.
>
>If you see from my test stack I have one tiny grc named "mousepoint" and
>the first line of the mousemove is "set the loc of grc mousepoint to the
>mouseloc"
>
>Also, you might make sure you have the most recent version of the script.
>I had to move one line out of the repeat loop to get the results I wanted.
>
>Post your version of the mousemove handler if you wish, we can take a look
>at it.
>
>On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> > On 25 Jul 2015, at 22:37, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Added some tweaks to make it function better, it works pretty well
>>now,
>> Try
>> > re-downloading for the newest version.
>>
>>
>> Is there any reason this would not work when the graphics are contained
>>in
>> a group as I can?t get it to work?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Terry
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 17:46:59 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 15:46:59 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <D1DAA047.69FB5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<32B7CE5F-B648-4414-8813-690329E9420A@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSpkC20fnPyZNrfTgZHBR=iPDpaNOWD5Sv-D7UDXv=Uk3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1DAA047.69FB5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpdbWRhDmodKH-ye-Vuhds=1J+6gdccFyP0iarCOk7OQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Will the lock/unlock actually help when the little pinpoint graphic isn't
set to visible?

Also, I was just thinking, the way I set things up I set the invisible
graphic that follows the mouse as the backmost object so that I could then
start my grc check loop at 2.  Depending on your needs you might need to do
a naming convention and only check grc1 grc2 etc.

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Works fine here.  Note that you'll likely get snappier performance by
> locking/unlocking the screen at the beginning and end of the mouseMove
> handler, as LC 7 can be pretty slow to natively update the screen.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
> On 7/26/15, 11:36 AM, "Mike Bonner" <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Hmm. Let me look.  You did set up the one graphic (I used a line sized
> >2x2,
> >set to invis)  and have it follow the mouse around, right?  And no, as far
> >as I can tell a group makes no difference.
> >
> >If you see from my test stack I have one tiny grc named "mousepoint" and
> >the first line of the mousemove is "set the loc of grc mousepoint to the
> >mouseloc"
> >
> >Also, you might make sure you have the most recent version of the script.
> >I had to move one line out of the repeat loop to get the results I wanted.
> >
> >Post your version of the mousemove handler if you wish, we can take a look
> >at it.
> >
> >On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> > On 25 Jul 2015, at 22:37, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Added some tweaks to make it function better, it works pretty well
> >>now,
> >> Try
> >> > re-downloading for the newest version.
> >>
> >>
> >> Is there any reason this would not work when the graphics are contained
> >>in
> >> a group as I can?t get it to work?
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >> Terry
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Jul 26 23:57:13 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:57:13 -0700
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpdbWRhDmodKH-ye-Vuhds=1J+6gdccFyP0iarCOk7OQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<32B7CE5F-B648-4414-8813-690329E9420A@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSpkC20fnPyZNrfTgZHBR=iPDpaNOWD5Sv-D7UDXv=Uk3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1DAA047.69FB5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAG1cpSpdbWRhDmodKH-ye-Vuhds=1J+6gdccFyP0iarCOk7OQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1DAF940.6A084%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Lock/unlock helps significantly here when showing the feedback and
dramatically improves the "feel" of the behavior.  Might just be slower
hardware.

On a related but separate note, I also ran into some weird issue when
doing experiments with mouseColor() causing recursion in LC 7.0.5.
Apparently mouseColor seems to be somehow tied to mouseMove (it shouldn't
be) and I get repeatable recursion limit errors.  Haven't checked with
7.0.6 yet.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/26/15, 2:46 PM, "Mike Bonner" <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

>Will the lock/unlock actually help when the little pinpoint graphic isn't
>set to visible?
>
>Also, I was just thinking, the way I set things up I set the invisible
>graphic that follows the mouse as the backmost object so that I could then
>start my grc check loop at 2.  Depending on your needs you might need to
>do
>a naming convention and only check grc1 grc2 etc.
>
>On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Works fine here.  Note that you'll likely get snappier performance by
>> locking/unlocking the screen at the beginning and end of the mouseMove
>> handler, as LC 7 can be pretty slow to natively update the screen.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/15, 11:36 AM, "Mike Bonner" <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Hmm. Let me look.  You did set up the one graphic (I used a line sized
>> >2x2,
>> >set to invis)  and have it follow the mouse around, right?  And no, as
>>far
>> >as I can tell a group makes no difference.
>> >
>> >If you see from my test stack I have one tiny grc named "mousepoint"
>>and
>> >the first line of the mousemove is "set the loc of grc mousepoint to
>>the
>> >mouseloc"
>> >
>> >Also, you might make sure you have the most recent version of the
>>script.
>> >I had to move one line out of the repeat loop to get the results I
>>wanted.
>> >
>> >Post your version of the mousemove handler if you wish, we can take a
>>look
>> >at it.
>> >
>> >On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Terence Heaford
>><t.heaford at icloud.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > On 25 Jul 2015, at 22:37, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Added some tweaks to make it function better, it works pretty well
>> >>now,
>> >> Try
>> >> > re-downloading for the newest version.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Is there any reason this would not work when the graphics are
>>contained
>> >>in
>> >> a group as I can?t get it to work?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Terry
>> >> _______________________________________________
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 07:12:53 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:12:53 +0800
Subject: Thousands Separators
Message-ID: <4C055829-0F44-4C34-937C-94C24F59FA8F@gmail.com>

I would like to display numbers with a thousand separator. I searched the dictionary and the user guide but couldn?t find any mention of inserting a thousand separator into a number. Is it a case of do it yourself?

Regards

Peter


From mikedoub at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 07:14:54 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 07:14:54 -0400
Subject: Thousands Separators
In-Reply-To: <4C055829-0F44-4C34-937C-94C24F59FA8F@gmail.com>
References: <4C055829-0F44-4C34-937C-94C24F59FA8F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B612AE.5070508@gmail.com>

Peter, there is a function in the MasterLibrary that does this for you.  
Look in the Text section.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0

Regards,
    Mike


On 7/27/15 7:12 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:
> I would like to display numbers with a thousand separator. I searched the dictionary and the user guide but couldn?t find any mention of inserting a thousand separator into a number. Is it a case of do it yourself?
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 07:27:55 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:27:55 +0800
Subject: Thousands Separators
In-Reply-To: <55B612AE.5070508@gmail.com>
References: <4C055829-0F44-4C34-937C-94C24F59FA8F@gmail.com>
	<55B612AE.5070508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A0A4114A-BB49-4B0C-A283-A35712126B74@gmail.com>

Thanks Mike.

> On 27 Jul 2015, at 19:14, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter, there is a function in the MasterLibrary that does this for you.  Look in the Text section.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0
> 
> Regards,
>   Mike
> 
> 
> On 7/27/15 7:12 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:
>> I would like to display numbers with a thousand separator. I searched the dictionary and the user guide but couldn?t find any mention of inserting a thousand separator into a number. Is it a case of do it yourself?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
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From paul at researchware.com  Mon Jul 27 07:54:55 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 07:54:55 -0400
Subject: Thousands Separators
In-Reply-To: <4C055829-0F44-4C34-937C-94C24F59FA8F@gmail.com>
References: <4C055829-0F44-4C34-937C-94C24F59FA8F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B61C0F.6050501@researchware.com>

On 7/27/2015 7:12 AM, Peter W A Wood wrote:
> I would like to display numbers with a thousand separator. I searched the dictionary and the user guide but couldn?t find any mention of inserting a thousand separator into a number. Is it a case of do it yourself?
>
>

Look at the 'format' function in the Dictionary as well. I also would
have thought the 'numberFormat' property would have supported commas but
apparently not.



From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Jul 27 13:13:56 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:13:56 +0200
Subject: datagrid: index vs line
Message-ID: <DA5B67D6-080B-4476-BD70-1D2946A88260@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

just a quick question:
When you set "the dgdata" of a datagrid of type FORM
and you do not sort or re-arrange the datagrid or whatever then 
INDEX = LINE. Know what I mean? 

Is that correct?

Thanks a lot in advance!


Best

Klaus
--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Jul 27 13:19:14 2015
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim sims)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:19:14 +0100
Subject: datagrid: index vs line
In-Reply-To: <DA5B67D6-080B-4476-BD70-1D2946A88260@major-k.de>
References: <DA5B67D6-080B-4476-BD70-1D2946A88260@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CAFarJbfWH32UoOnTFTaDRA2wqs=19kuP7zcg0ZZBdNCBZ0qWhA@mail.gmail.com>

I do not know the answer.

Tried datagrids many times but never could understand them.

sims

On Monday, July 27, 2015, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> just a quick question:
> When you set "the dgdata" of a datagrid of type FORM
> and you do not sort or re-arrange the datagrid or whatever then
> INDEX = LINE. Know what I mean?
>
> Is that correct?
>
> Thanks a lot in advance!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
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> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de <javascript:;>
>
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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Mon Jul 27 13:19:20 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:19:20 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>


> On 25 Jul 2015, at 22:37, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Added some tweaks to make it function better, it works pretty well now, Try
> re-downloading for the newest version.
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/mouseover.livecode
> 


Finally got it to work, however?.

I have noticed if you move your mouse carefully at the junction of two segments you can get them both to highlight green.

Is there a setting that needs tweaking?


All the best

Terry


From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Jul 27 13:46:34 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:46:34 +0200
Subject: datagrid: index vs line
In-Reply-To: <CAFarJbfWH32UoOnTFTaDRA2wqs=19kuP7zcg0ZZBdNCBZ0qWhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DA5B67D6-080B-4476-BD70-1D2946A88260@major-k.de>
	<CAFarJbfWH32UoOnTFTaDRA2wqs=19kuP7zcg0ZZBdNCBZ0qWhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9014DD76-0148-4BED-9B2D-AB4135FA0925@major-k.de>

Hi sims,

> Am 27.07.2015 um 19:19 schrieb Jim sims <sims at ezpzapps.com>:
> 
> I do not know the answer.

thanks for caring anyway! :-)

> Tried datagrids many times but never could understand them.

I know the answer, but wanted to have it confirmed, weak ego and stuff, 'ya know? :-D

> sims

Best

Klaus

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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Jul 27 13:47:43 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:47:43 +0000
Subject: datagrid: index vs line
In-Reply-To: <DA5B67D6-080B-4476-BD70-1D2946A88260@major-k.de>
References: <DA5B67D6-080B-4476-BD70-1D2946A88260@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePHiBb6d4RJi1b0oQQ8sDLS8K7=PaNtzTdyz=LdwgLJYA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, That is correct.  The index becomes useful if you sort the lines in
the datagrid since the line number might change but its index number will
remain the same.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:14 AM Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>
> just a quick question:
> When you set "the dgdata" of a datagrid of type FORM
> and you do not sort or re-arrange the datagrid or whatever then
> INDEX = LINE. Know what I mean?
>
> Is that correct?
>
> Thanks a lot in advance!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
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> klaus at major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Jul 27 13:49:10 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:49:10 +0200
Subject: datagrid: index vs line
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePHiBb6d4RJi1b0oQQ8sDLS8K7=PaNtzTdyz=LdwgLJYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DA5B67D6-080B-4476-BD70-1D2946A88260@major-k.de>
	<CAGDT7ePHiBb6d4RJi1b0oQQ8sDLS8K7=PaNtzTdyz=LdwgLJYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0BABEF7F-110C-49AB-8589-66536EC6FB16@major-k.de>

Hi Peter,

> Am 27.07.2015 um 19:47 schrieb Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>:
> 
> Yes, That is correct.  The index becomes useful if you sort the lines in
> the datagrid since the line number might change but its index number will
> remain the same.

thank you very much, that?s what I wanted to hear :-)

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:14 AM Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> 
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> just a quick question:
>> When you set "the dgdata" of a datagrid of type FORM
>> and you do not sort or re-arrange the datagrid or whatever then
>> INDEX = LINE. Know what I mean?
>> 
>> Is that correct?
>> 
>> Thanks a lot in advance!

Best

Klaus

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http://www.major-k.de
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Jul 27 14:00:51 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:00:51 -1000
Subject: Parsing and Extracting Text from ePub XHTML
In-Reply-To: <55B54714.7050102@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <55B53581.2040802@hindu.org> <55B54714.7050102@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <55B671D3.2050705@hindu.org>

Oh My! You are Lord Ganesha's Grace manifest in human form (smile, 
Elephant Faced One is the "Brains of the universe"

This works great! I get output like this:

awesome!

Dancing with Siva
There is on Earth no diversity. He gets death after death who perceives 
here seeming diversity. As a unity only is It to be looked upon?this 
indemonstrable, enduring Being, spotless, beyond space, the unborn Soul, 
great, enduring.

?ukla Yajur Veda, B?ihad?ra?yaka Upanishad 4.4.19-20. UPH, 143

Contemplating Him who has neither beginning, middle, nor end?the One, 
the all-pervading, who is wisdom and bliss, the formless, the wonderful, 
whose consort is Um?, the highest Lord, the ruler, having three eyes and 
a blue throat, the peaceful?the silent sage reaches the source of Being, 
the universal witness, on the other shore of darkness.

Atharva Veda, Kaivalya Upanishad 7. VE, 764

Where there is duality, there one sees another, one smells another, one 
tastes another, one speaks to another, one hears another, one knows 
another. But where everything has become one?s own Self, with what 
should one see whom, with what should one smell whom, with what should 
one taste whom, with what should one speak to whom, with what should one 
hear whom, with what should one think of whom, with what should one 
touch whom, with what should one know whom? How can He be known by whom 
all this is made known?
-- 
Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com



Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Brahmanathaswami,
>
> This works on LC 6.7.3:
>
> on mouseUp
> put fld 1 into x
> if the platform is not "MacOS" then
> // not sure why this works
> put isoToMac(x) into x
> end if
> put uniDecode(uniEncode(x,"UTF8")) into x
> set the htmlText of fld 2 to x
> end mouseUp
>
> -- 



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 14:07:24 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:07:24 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, this was a very basic example, and it cycles through all graphic
objects (except the first).. If you want it to only allow one to hilite, it
would take a little extra coding to reset the previous hilite back to
normal, and hilite the newest.. Or something of that nature.  (i'd have to
think on it for a bit)
One method, after thinking about it for a sec.. Would be to track which
part was hilited last, and when a new hilite is set, revert it, set the new
hilite, and update the variable that tracks the hilite to the newest
object.  This would make it a bit weird, as there would be a precedence to
the hilites.  If you're nudging more than 1 object, the one with the
highest number will always end up with the hilite.
I'll keep thinkin. Theres probably a better way.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
wrote:

>
> > On 25 Jul 2015, at 22:37, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Added some tweaks to make it function better, it works pretty well now,
> Try
> > re-downloading for the newest version.
> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/mouseover.livecode
> >
>
>
> Finally got it to work, however?.
>
> I have noticed if you move your mouse carefully at the junction of two
> segments you can get them both to highlight green.
>
> Is there a setting that needs tweaking?
>
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Jul 27 14:16:38 2015
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:16:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Mike, Terence,

a bit of a hack but it works:

give the segments a radial stroke gradient of e.g. black with black at the
left and black at the right. Set the blendlevel of both black to just under
full, by selecting one after the other the black little symbol in the
gradient setting and slider to almost right.

change the intersect part of the code to 

---------------------------
if intersect(grc "mousepoint",grc i,"opaque pixels") then -- cycle through
the graphics and check for intersect
--------------------------- 

of course this only works if the fill of the segments is fully opaque, which
it is in Mike's example and now the border of the segments is not part of
the segment.

Kind regards
Bernd



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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 14:21:19 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:21:19 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>

I had tried it with opaque pixels at first, and couldn't get it to work for
some reason. I think there was a version where opaque pixels was broke.
Maybe I'm still using a broken lc.

What version are you using?  Just tried it here (7.0.6) and can't get
"opaque pixels" to work for me at all.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:16 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

> Hi Mike, Terence,
>
> a bit of a hack but it works:
>
> give the segments a radial stroke gradient of e.g. black with black at the
> left and black at the right. Set the blendlevel of both black to just under
> full, by selecting one after the other the black little symbol in the
> gradient setting and slider to almost right.
>
> change the intersect part of the code to
>
> ---------------------------
> if intersect(grc "mousepoint",grc i,"opaque pixels") then -- cycle through
> the graphics and check for intersect
> ---------------------------
>
> of course this only works if the fill of the segments is fully opaque,
> which
> it is in Mike's example and now the border of the segments is not part of
> the segment.
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 14:32:36 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:32:36 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>

You could do a slightly exploded pie too, with gaps between parts.  There
also the old fallback of clicking a piece to interact with it.  I'll look
at the code more tonight and see if I come up with another solution or two,
but listening to bernd is never a bad idea.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had tried it with opaque pixels at first, and couldn't get it to work
> for some reason. I think there was a version where opaque pixels was broke.
> Maybe I'm still using a broken lc.
>
> What version are you using?  Just tried it here (7.0.6) and can't get
> "opaque pixels" to work for me at all.
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:16 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike, Terence,
>>
>> a bit of a hack but it works:
>>
>> give the segments a radial stroke gradient of e.g. black with black at the
>> left and black at the right. Set the blendlevel of both black to just
>> under
>> full, by selecting one after the other the black little symbol in the
>> gradient setting and slider to almost right.
>>
>> change the intersect part of the code to
>>
>> ---------------------------
>> if intersect(grc "mousepoint",grc i,"opaque pixels") then -- cycle through
>> the graphics and check for intersect
>> ---------------------------
>>
>> of course this only works if the fill of the segments is fully opaque,
>> which
>> it is in Mike's example and now the border of the segments is not part of
>> the segment.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Drawing-a-Graphice-Segment-tp4694331p4694376.html
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Jul 27 14:31:27 2015
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438021887850-4694378.post@n4.nabble.com>

I have sent you your stack that I modified by email. It works in 7.0.6 and
7.1 DP1 on a Mac.

Kind regards
Bernd



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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 14:33:56 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:33:56 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <1438021887850-4694378.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438021887850-4694378.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSr1OcFYH=0Ue2RzXzLd5Nf=LnXTzOkV=ptMqz5TCPkD9w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, i'll look at it momentarily and figure out why I can't get opaque
pixels to work for me.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:31 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

> I have sent you your stack that I modified by email. It works in 7.0.6 and
> 7.1 DP1 on a Mac.
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
>
> --
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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Mon Jul 27 14:40:15 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:40:15 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>

This would be a good solution for me because I want to actually display a field containing the segment data rather than highlight it green
and when clicking outside of the segments hide the field although the green would be an added bonus.

On my chart when the mouse leaves the segment/chart it does not always change the green segment back to its original colour.
What could be causing this?

I wish I could help more but these workarounds are taxing me.

LC should provide a solution that only identifies the segment but one can only wish.

Anyway, thanks for all the help I am getting and hopefully a solution.


Thanks

Terry



> On 27 Jul 2015, at 19:32, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  There
> also the old fallback of clicking a piece to interact with it.  I'll look
> at the code more tonight and see if I come up with another solution or two,



From t.heaford at icloud.com  Mon Jul 27 14:47:28 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:47:28 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>

Here?s a movie of what I see.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/PieChartTest.mov <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/PieChartTest.mov>

All the best

Terry


> On 27 Jul 2015, at 19:40, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> On my chart when the mouse leaves the segment/chart it does not always change the green segment back to its original colour.
> What could be causing this?



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 14:51:43 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:51:43 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
	<9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>

Would you mind sharing your stack, or posting your code?  I'm not seeing
that behavior here, so now i'm curious.

Also, Bernd,  your stack works great for me.  I tried opaque pixels with my
original stack here and.. can't make it work. So I copied your script over
in its entirety to my original stack and.. It doesn't work. You could say
i'm a mite confused! (I did remark out the code that fills your extra
field)
I think i'm going to beat my head against a wall for a bit.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Here?s a movie of what I see.
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/PieChartTest.mov <
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/PieChartTest.mov>
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
>
>
> > On 27 Jul 2015, at 19:40, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > On my chart when the mouse leaves the segment/chart it does not always
> change the green segment back to its original colour.
> > What could be causing this?
>
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Jul 27 14:58:00 2015
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:58:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
	<9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438023480288-4694384.post@n4.nabble.com>

Mike Bonner wrote
> Also, Bernd,  your stack works great for me.  I tried opaque pixels with
> my
> original stack here and.. can't make it work. So I copied your script over
> in its entirety to my original stack and.. It doesn't work. You could say
> i'm a mite confused! (I did remark out the code that fills your extra
> field)
> I think i'm going to beat my head against a wall for a bit.

Mike, it is probably the setting of the stroke gradient of the pie segments
that keeps it from working because I just added "opaque" to your code.

have a look at the stroke gradients of the pie segments in my version of
your stack.

Kind regards
Bernd



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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Mon Jul 27 15:01:53 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 20:01:53 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
	<9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>

Rather a lot of code that belongs in a group for creating Pie, Bar & Line Charts.

There are probably many improvements that could be made to this as I am a beginner in this LC stuff so I am sure that it?s probably something I have done/not done.

As I say, it?s the code belonging in a group that creates charts by creating the objects that make up the parts of the chart.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/charts.rtf <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/charts.rtf>


All the best


Terry





> On 27 Jul 2015, at 19:51, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Would you mind sharing your stack, or posting your code?  I'm not seeing
> that behavior here, so now i'm curious.



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 15:29:04 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:29:04 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>

If I move my grc's to your stack, they work in your stack.  And it seems to
me, when I was messing with intersect in the past, if you had 2 graphics,
and they intersected with standard graphics, and no worry about things, if
there were opaque pixels that intersected, it worked. So, I think there is
something wrong with my stack maybe?  (ignoring the fact that I sent a copy
of this stack out to you...)

Still confused.  I can copy my graphics to your stack and they work. I can
copy your graphics and script to my stack and they don't work.  (no errors,
just.. no intersects detected)  Yes.  Its weird.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Rather a lot of code that belongs in a group for creating Pie, Bar & Line
> Charts.
>
> There are probably many improvements that could be made to this as I am a
> beginner in this LC stuff so I am sure that it?s probably something I have
> done/not done.
>
> As I say, it?s the code belonging in a group that creates charts by
> creating the objects that make up the parts of the chart.
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/charts.rtf <
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/charts.rtf>
>
>
> All the best
>
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 27 Jul 2015, at 19:51, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Would you mind sharing your stack, or posting your code?  I'm not seeing
> > that behavior here, so now i'm curious.
>
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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Mon Jul 27 15:41:11 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 20:41:11 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
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	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>


> On 27 Jul 2015, at 20:29, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Still confused.  I can copy my graphics to your stack and they work. I can
> copy your graphics and script to my stack and they don't work.  (no errors,
> just.. no intersects detected)  Yes.  Its weird.


Your confused, my heads spinning :)


All the best

Terry

From t.heaford at icloud.com  Mon Jul 27 15:49:47 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 20:49:47 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
	<9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <A26CBAA6-3603-4C63-A16F-65C22CC0B2BD@icloud.com>

Just placed a rectangular graphic behind the pie chart and set it to opaque and visible and when I move the pointer out of the chart/segment the segment reverts to original colour.

Whether this behaviour will change or not I don?t know but will experiment further.

All the best

Terry


> On 27 Jul 2015, at 20:41, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Your confused, my heads spinning :)



From t.heaford at icloud.com  Mon Jul 27 16:01:14 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 21:01:14 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <A26CBAA6-3603-4C63-A16F-65C22CC0B2BD@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
	<9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
	<A26CBAA6-3603-4C63-A16F-65C22CC0B2BD@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <6C2D9EA2-D8C7-42DF-8554-04A7341E6836@icloud.com>

Hi again,

A screenshot here of the graphic behind the pie chart. if I give it a border that is slightly larger than the pie then when the mouse crosses the border the segment colour reverts back to it?s original colour.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png>


All the best

Terry


> On 27 Jul 2015, at 20:49, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Just placed a rectangular graphic behind the pie chart and set it to opaque and visible and when I move the pointer out of the chart/segment the segment reverts to original colour.
> 
> Whether this behaviour will change or not I don?t know but will experiment further.



From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Jul 27 16:08:13 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 20:08:13 +0000
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <6C2D9EA2-D8C7-42DF-8554-04A7341E6836@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
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	<CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
	<A26CBAA6-3603-4C63-A16F-65C22CC0B2BD@icloud.com>
	<6C2D9EA2-D8C7-42DF-8554-04A7341E6836@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOX2BYSKSnJ4czRMswKiX5qu095RDxs3DN+VZ92M2J1qQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wondering if you know about ChartMaker, available at the Livecode store for
$79.  Might save you a lot of grief for a fairly small outlay.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:01 PM Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> A screenshot here of the graphic behind the pie chart. if I give it a
> border that is slightly larger than the pie then when the mouse crosses the
> border the segment colour reverts back to it?s original colour.
>
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png <
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png>
>
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
>
>
> > On 27 Jul 2015, at 20:49, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just placed a rectangular graphic behind the pie chart and set it to
> opaque and visible and when I move the pointer out of the chart/segment the
> segment reverts to original colour.
> >
> > Whether this behaviour will change or not I don?t know but will
> experiment further.
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 16:26:05 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:26:05 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOX2BYSKSnJ4czRMswKiX5qu095RDxs3DN+VZ92M2J1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
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	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
	<9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
	<A26CBAA6-3603-4C63-A16F-65C22CC0B2BD@icloud.com>
	<6C2D9EA2-D8C7-42DF-8554-04A7341E6836@icloud.com>
	<CAGDT7eOX2BYSKSnJ4czRMswKiX5qu095RDxs3DN+VZ92M2J1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoyNmtWDB8C1PXZbt3NBO+yQbvOvxt_82qiVv==7vWYgg@mail.gmail.com>

Heres a solution to the "more than one hilites" issue, that works pretty
well. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/mouseover.livecode

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Wondering if you know about ChartMaker, available at the Livecode store for
> $79.  Might save you a lot of grief for a fairly small outlay.
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:01 PM Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
> >
> > A screenshot here of the graphic behind the pie chart. if I give it a
> > border that is slightly larger than the pie then when the mouse crosses
> the
> > border the segment colour reverts back to it?s original colour.
> >
> >
> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png
> <
> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png>
> >
> >
> > All the best
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> > > On 27 Jul 2015, at 20:49, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just placed a rectangular graphic behind the pie chart and set it to
> > opaque and visible and when I move the pointer out of the chart/segment
> the
> > segment reverts to original colour.
> > >
> > > Whether this behaviour will change or not I don?t know but will
> > experiment further.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 16:26:21 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:26:21 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoyNmtWDB8C1PXZbt3NBO+yQbvOvxt_82qiVv==7vWYgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
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	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
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	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
	<9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
	<A26CBAA6-3603-4C63-A16F-65C22CC0B2BD@icloud.com>
	<6C2D9EA2-D8C7-42DF-8554-04A7341E6836@icloud.com>
	<CAGDT7eOX2BYSKSnJ4czRMswKiX5qu095RDxs3DN+VZ92M2J1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoyNmtWDB8C1PXZbt3NBO+yQbvOvxt_82qiVv==7vWYgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrcmsTi7UXQrY5LZ3=-NkXTuWrL29RDoCQryf-7ooZUbw@mail.gmail.com>

And yeah. chartmaker might be just the ticket.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Heres a solution to the "more than one hilites" issue, that works pretty
> well. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/mouseover.livecode
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
>> Wondering if you know about ChartMaker, available at the Livecode store
>> for
>> $79.  Might save you a lot of grief for a fairly small outlay.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:01 PM Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi again,
>> >
>> > A screenshot here of the graphic behind the pie chart. if I give it a
>> > border that is slightly larger than the pie then when the mouse crosses
>> the
>> > border the segment colour reverts back to it?s original colour.
>> >
>> >
>> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png
>> <
>> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > All the best
>> >
>> > Terry
>> >
>> >
>> > > On 27 Jul 2015, at 20:49, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Just placed a rectangular graphic behind the pie chart and set it to
>> > opaque and visible and when I move the pointer out of the chart/segment
>> the
>> > segment reverts to original colour.
>> > >
>> > > Whether this behaviour will change or not I don?t know but will
>> > experiment further.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> > subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>
>


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Jul 27 17:27:57 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:27:57 -0700
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoyNmtWDB8C1PXZbt3NBO+yQbvOvxt_82qiVv==7vWYgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
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	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
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	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
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	<69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
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	<CAG1cpSoyNmtWDB8C1PXZbt3NBO+yQbvOvxt_82qiVv==7vWYgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1DBEFD3.6A1AA%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Just to beat the horse a bit more, here's a stripped down version of
Mike's approach that seems to work as expected (LC 7.0.5).  In your
message box:
go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/mouseover_mod.livecode"

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/27/15, 1:26 PM, "Mike Bonner" <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

>Heres a solution to the "more than one hilites" issue, that works pretty
>well. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/mouseover.livecode
>
>On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
>> Wondering if you know about ChartMaker, available at the Livecode store
>>for
>> $79.  Might save you a lot of grief for a fairly small outlay.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 1:01 PM Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi again,
>> >
>> > A screenshot here of the graphic behind the pie chart. if I give it a
>> > border that is slightly larger than the pie then when the mouse
>>crosses
>> the
>> > border the segment colour reverts back to it?s original colour.
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png
>> <
>> > 
>>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot.png>
>> >
>> >
>> > All the best
>> >
>> > Terry
>> >
>> >
>> > > On 27 Jul 2015, at 20:49, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Just placed a rectangular graphic behind the pie chart and set it to
>> > opaque and visible and when I move the pointer out of the
>>chart/segment
>> the
>> > segment reverts to original colour.
>> > >
>> > > Whether this behaviour will change or not I don?t know but will
>> > experiment further.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> > subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 23:07:53 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:07:53 +0800
Subject: Thousands Separators
In-Reply-To: <55B612AE.5070508@gmail.com>
References: <4C055829-0F44-4C34-937C-94C24F59FA8F@gmail.com>
	<55B612AE.5070508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F53A3D0-04F7-485B-92E0-F317E8E455DB@gmail.com>

Mike

> On 27 Jul 2015, at 19:14, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter, there is a function in the MasterLibrary that does this for you.  Look in the Text section.
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0
> 
> Regards,
>   Mike

The MasterLibrary is impressive, I should have looked at it before.

The function didn?t seem to have the exact format that I needed but it was a good stimulus to write one that meets my needs. I wanted to format the numbers in what I call accounting format - thousands separators with negative numbers in brackets (or parentheses depending from where one hails). 

Thanks to LiveCode?s chunking the function is very short, dealing with the arguments takes almost as much code as the function. I include it here in case it is of use to others. I?m sure it could be improved and would welcome any suggestions.

function numToAccounting pNum, pDecimalSeparator, pThousandSeparator 
# Purpose:    Converts a number to accounting format
# Inputs:
#             pNum                	The number to be converted
#             pDecimalSeparator   	The character to be used, default "."
#             pThousandSeparator  	The character to be used, default ","
# Returns:                        	The number in accounting format rounded toplevel
#                                 		decimal places
  local tCount
  local tDecimalSeparator
  local tNum
  local tStart
  local tThousandSeparator
  
  # set the separators
  if pThousandSeparator is empty then
    put "," into tThousandSeparator
  else
    put pThousandSeparator into tThousandSeparator
  end if
  if pDecimalSeparator is empty then
      put "." into tDecimalSeparator
    else
      put pDecimalSeparator into tDecimalSeparator
  end if
  
  #format the numbers
  put format("%.2f", pNum) into tNum
  put tDecimalSeparator into char -3 of tNum
  put 0 into tCount
  put the length of tNum - 3 into tStart
  repeat with i = tStart down to 1
    add 1 to tCount
    if tCount = 4 then 
      if char i of tNum  = "-" then exit repeat
      put tThousandSeparator after char i of tNum
      put 1 into tCount
    end if
  end repeat
  if pNum < 0 then
    put "(" into character 1 of tNum
    put ")" after tNum
  end if
  
  return tNum 
  
end numToAccounting


From david at viral.academy  Tue Jul 28 02:43:04 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 07:43:04 +0100
Subject: Docker, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <o50obw64qhdrejsiovcqoug3.1430441355037@email.android.com>
References: <o50obw64qhdrejsiovcqoug3.1430441355037@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioPCWjNW3U1MFRJpua1pOLc8XA=MLxJXRbGAbXU6uZvEmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Any further with Dockers anyone?

On 1 May 2015 at 01:50, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Has anyone here experimented with making a Docker container for a LiveCode
> socket server?
>
> http://www.docker.com/
>
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> http://fourthworld.com
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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Tue Jul 28 03:28:03 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:28:03 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <D1DBEFD3.6A1AA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
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Message-ID: <448FE362-A90A-4D29-9ED3-5DBDBEE0D19C@icloud.com>



> On 27 Jul 2015, at 22:27, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
> Just to beat the horse a bit more,



And another based on mathematics.

When you create the pie chart segments you know the start angle and end angle, so save them with the segment.

In my case I use uStartAngle and uEndAngle.

Then apply using:

---------------------
on mouseMove
   lock screen
   put the mouseH into tMouseX
   put the mouseV into tMouseY
   put chartLeft() + chartWidth()/2 into tCentreX
   put chartTop() + chartHeight()/2 into tCentreY
   put tMouseX - tCentreX into tDeltaX
   put tMouseY - tCentreY into tDeltaY
   put atan2InDegrees(tDeltaY,tDeltaX) into tAngle
   if tAngle < 0 then
      put round(abs(tAngle)) into tAngle
   else
      put round(360 - tAngle) into tAngle
   end if
   repeat for each line tID in the childControlIDs of me
      if  the customKeys of control id tID contains "uStartAngle" then
         put the uStartAngle of control id tID into tStartAngle
         put the uEndAngle of control id tID into tEndAngle
         put tAngle && "," && tStartAngle && "," && tEndAngle & return after tResult - - just to monitor what?s happening
         if tAngle >= tStartAngle and tAngle <= tEndAngle then
            set the backgroundcolor of control id tID  to green
         else
            set the backgroundcolor of control id tID  to the uColor of control id tID
         end if
      end if
   end repeat
   unlock screen
   put tResult
end mouseMove
---------------------
function atan2InDegrees firstArg,secondArg
   return atan2(firstArg,secondArg) * 180 / pi
end atan2InDegrees
??????????

I just need to add a section to monitor whether tMouseX and tMouseY is in the diameter of the pie.



All the best

Terry






From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Tue Jul 28 03:37:29 2015
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:37:29 +0100
Subject: ChartMaker and Drawing a Graphic Segment
Message-ID: <002001d0c908$43114130$c933c390$@FlexibleLearning.com>

ChartMaker details and direct purchase are available here...

www.flexiblelearning.com/chartmaker


> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
>> Wondering if you know about ChartMaker, available at the Livecode store
>> for $79.  Might save you a lot of grief for a fairly small outlay.




From david at viral.academy  Tue Jul 28 05:00:36 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 10:00:36 +0100
Subject: Livecode on Raspberry Pi 2
Message-ID: <CAGASioOPCP1YJnMNb0Zsk2=z1xg1u_k-zYggPuYufp9V2FLYOw@mail.gmail.com>

Livecode works superbly on Raspberry Pi 2 - much much better than I
anticipated. looking to hook into some native media playback....


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Jul 28 06:04:17 2015
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:04:17 +0200
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <448FE362-A90A-4D29-9ED3-5DBDBEE0D19C@icloud.com>
References: <28F6A883-A04C-4C49-8E15-3A14B15D9DB1@icloud.com>
	<55B3D910.2040504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqxi9cCX0YKB967dQ+Wz7EuXeiwX87bEHB_zd95eE=dJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqG862vytaCT8BPOt8wvq1AuDFL62BWc77Ye_K4SngrzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FD2551-9563-4BB2-A18A-09A1F9ADE721@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSoPLrgrSqMVfOCaqcVyAuUM-RCUCCgub1UD3deW_fbS8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438020998943-4694376.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAG1cpSo2yjz_rs5DbYwRRJahkzXNs6q2dr=X+fDGH5RYctFWmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqwb=VGfQ66_M5jv6sV2vOgkLHLQP7FB=sin7cYZZZpiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<3401B86F-B9B7-4BDD-AFE8-59B956C760F0@icloud.com>
	<9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
	<A26CBAA6-3603-4C63-A16F-65C22CC0B2BD@icloud.com>
	<6C2D9EA2-D8C7-42DF-8554-04A7341E6836@icloud.com>
	<CAGDT7eOX2BYSKSnJ4czRMswKiX5qu095RDxs3DN+VZ92M2J1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoyNmtWDB8C1PXZbt3NBO+yQbvOvxt_82qiVv==7vWYgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1DBEFD3.6A1AA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<448FE362-A90A-4D29-9ED3-5DBDBEE0D19C@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <938D8AE3-0A46-4BF9-9BE8-C55CD59E5ED5@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

> Am 28.07.2015 um 09:28 schrieb Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com>:
>> On 27 Jul 2015, at 22:27, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>> Just to beat the horse a bit more,
> And another based on mathematics.
> When you create the pie chart segments you know the start angle and end angle, so save them with the segment.
> In my case I use uStartAngle and uEndAngle.
> Then apply using:

for utmost speed you should always use the params that come with ?mousemove?
and not execute one or two additional functions to get the current mouse postition:

on mouseMove X,Y
>   lock screen
  ##  put the mouseH into tMouseX
  ##  put the mouseV into tMouseY
>   put chartLeft() + chartWidth()/2 into tCentreX
>   put chartTop() + chartHeight()/2 into tCentreY
  put X - tCentreX into tDeltaX
  put Y - tCentreY into tDeltaY
?
:-)


Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 06:29:41 2015
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:29:41 +0200
Subject: revBrowserSet
In-Reply-To: <83C65CCF-8453-4E48-8CDD-5D962CF4FE53@icloud.com>
References: <83C65CCF-8453-4E48-8CDD-5D962CF4FE53@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO_buHiZssvcb_Wm=L1zxz4grdEsCQmwX2EtztS=vVM2-g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
afaik you can not use revBrowserCef because the close revBrowser
command does not work.
This bug has been confirmed some months ago, but it has not been fixed
yet. See..
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13831
All the best
Paolo

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:
> This is my first foray into using a browser in LiveCode and I have come across a couple of points I was hoping someone could help me with:
>
> I am experimenting using a browser to display charts using highcharts from highcharts.com and have got the example charts working in a browser.
>
> I am working with LC 6.7.6 on iMac with Yosemite.
>
> --------------
>
> I have this script to setup the browser
>
> global gBrowserID
>
> on mouseUp
>    lock screen
>    set the visible of grc "browserOutline" to false
>
>    --put revBrowserOpenCef(the windowId of this stack, "") into gBrowserID
>    put revBrowserOpen(the windowId of this stack, "") into gBrowserID
>
>    revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "rect", the rect of graphic "browserOutline"
>    revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "offline", true
>    revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "scrollbars", false
>    revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "showBorder", true
>    unlock screen
> end mouseUp
>
> I have noticed that with revBrowserCef I cannot disable scrollbars and show border does not work for me but with revBrowserOpen they both work?
>
> Perhaps I am doing something wrong or is revBrowserCef a work in progress?
>
> ???????
>
> At the moment it appears that I will have to create my own charts in LiveCode export them as index.htm then reload them into the browser.
>
> Is there a way to create the chart in LiveCode then pass it straight to the browser.
>
> I tried this without success using the content of one of the example files in highcharts:
>
> put the uScript of me into tScript
> revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "htmltext", tScript
> revBrowserRefresh gBrowserID
>
> ???????
>
> Is there any better documentation on the use of the revBrowser commands or is it all to be trial and error?
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Terry
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From jana.doughty at livecode.com  Tue Jul 28 06:34:38 2015
From: jana.doughty at livecode.com (Jana Doughty)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:34:38 +0200
Subject: How to Create a Great User Experience in Mobile Apps
Message-ID: <70249cc47fe5333161075739e2c6f1dd.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>

Hi LiveCode Community,

We have a great blog today regarding how to create a great user experience.

Ali details how to do it and demonstrates with a whisky app (is there
anything better?).

Hope you enjoy!

https://livecode.com/how-to-create-a-great-user-experience-in-mobile-apps/

Thanks!

Jana




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 28 09:59:13 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 06:59:13 -0700
Subject: Thousands Separators
In-Reply-To: <0F53A3D0-04F7-485B-92E0-F317E8E455DB@gmail.com>
References: <0F53A3D0-04F7-485B-92E0-F317E8E455DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B78AB1.8010105@fourthworld.com>

It's of course very useful that we have a community able and willing to 
share handler for things like number formatting.

But stepping back to look at the big picture, I find myself wondering:

Why is that even necessary?

Why isn't that just a field property, e.g. "the displayFormat"?

The core language is very easy to use, but in many very common cases 
like this it's not so easy at all, as we have to hand-craft things that 
less capable tools provide as simple property settings.

Another good candidate complimenting displayFormat would be inputFilter, 
allowing us to set a property to enforce data entry rules for specific 
types (numeric, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.).

For all the wonderful time-saving features LiveCode provides, we spend 
way too much time re-inventing some very basic wheels.

Sure, we could wait for v8's Widgets for something like this, but I 
wouldn't mind seeing a behavior library for this sooner.  I'd help. 
Anyone have the time to steward such a project?  Even better if someone 
here has the chops to do this in the engine where it's arguably most 
beneficial for all of us.  I'd chip in on a bounty for either of these.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ebeugelaar at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 10:07:10 2015
From: ebeugelaar at gmail.com (Erik Beugelaar)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:07:10 +0200
Subject: Thousands Separators
Message-ID: <f1gceq2d79hy1moo7yny5f3v.1438092408714@email.android.com>


Try Javascript... And go for Wakanda... Sorry for my sarcasm...


Sent from my Cubot X6.

 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>It's of course very useful that we have a community able and willing to 
>share handler for things like number formatting.
>
>But stepping back to look at the big picture, I find myself wondering:
>
>Why is that even necessary?
>
>Why isn't that just a field property, e.g. "the displayFormat"?
>
>The core language is very easy to use, but in many very common cases 
>like this it's not so easy at all, as we have to hand-craft things that 
>less capable tools provide as simple property settings.
>
>Another good candidate complimenting displayFormat would be inputFilter, 
>allowing us to set a property to enforce data entry rules for specific 
>types (numeric, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.).
>
>For all the wonderful time-saving features LiveCode provides, we spend 
>way too much time re-inventing some very basic wheels.
>
>Sure, we could wait for v8's Widgets for something like this, but I 
>wouldn't mind seeing a behavior library for this sooner.  I'd help. 
>Anyone have the time to steward such a project?  Even better if someone 
>here has the chops to do this in the engine where it's arguably most 
>beneficial for all of us.  I'd chip in on a bounty for either of these.
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From kevin at stallibrass.com  Tue Jul 28 10:26:06 2015
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:26:06 +0100
Subject: LC Server hidden fields with multipart/form-data fields
Message-ID: <053201d0c941$57807d00$06817700$@com>

I have an lc server page with

 

put "test" into tRip

<form enctype="multipart/form-data" action="mypage.lc" method="post"
name="collect"

<font color=329bc4>Select file to upload:

<input type="hidden" name="rip" value="<?lc put tRip ?>

<input name="uploadedfile" type="file"

<input type="submit" value="Upload File" />

</form>

 

Then on mypage.lc I have

 

put $_Files[uploadedfile][name] into tFileName

put $_Files[uploadedfile][type] into tFileType

put $_Files[uploadedfile][size] into tFileSize

put $_Files[uploadedfile][filename] into tFilePath

 

put $_POST["rip"] into tRip 

 

My problem is that with enctype="multipart/form-data" in place, the file
uploads and I can access the $_Files data but not the $_POST

If I remove the enctype="multipart/form-data, there is no button to upload a
file but the $_POST data is now available.

 

I clearly cannot mix the $_Files & $_POST but cannot find anything online to
give me a clue on how to go about handling this.

I'm using livecode server 7.0.5 on a Ubuntu box but have tried it on on-rev
with the same effect

Any ideas?

 

Regards

 

Kevin Stallibrass

 

 



From ray at linkit.com  Tue Jul 28 10:51:26 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:51:26 +0100
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>

As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks simultaneously 
on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work 
around to this?

In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with 
visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this 
look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed, 
video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask property.

Thanks in advance for any ideas!



From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Jul 28 11:08:16 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (EED-wp Email)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:08:16 -0600
Subject: revBrowserSet
In-Reply-To: <CA+NEnO_buHiZssvcb_Wm=L1zxz4grdEsCQmwX2EtztS=vVM2-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <83C65CCF-8453-4E48-8CDD-5D962CF4FE53@icloud.com>
	<CA+NEnO_buHiZssvcb_Wm=L1zxz4grdEsCQmwX2EtztS=vVM2-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6972F854-9573-4148-83EC-F7CF0C343CF7@earthednet.org>

I wonder about this. I had an issue with closing revbrowsercef. I used it to dosplay a youtube video and some straight html. It works fine in recent versions of lc. Be aware tho, that using it will add about 65mb to the app (if my memory serves).
Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:29 AM, paolo mazza <mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> afaik you can not use revBrowserCef because the close revBrowser
> command does not work.
> This bug has been confirmed some months ago, but it has not been fixed
> yet. See..
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13831
> All the best
> Paolo
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:
>> This is my first foray into using a browser in LiveCode and I have come across a couple of points I was hoping someone could help me with:
>> 
>> I am experimenting using a browser to display charts using highcharts from highcharts.com and have got the example charts working in a browser.
>> 
>> I am working with LC 6.7.6 on iMac with Yosemite.
>> 
>> --------------
>> 
>> I have this script to setup the browser
>> 
>> global gBrowserID
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   lock screen
>>   set the visible of grc "browserOutline" to false
>> 
>>   --put revBrowserOpenCef(the windowId of this stack, "") into gBrowserID
>>   put revBrowserOpen(the windowId of this stack, "") into gBrowserID
>> 
>>   revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "rect", the rect of graphic "browserOutline"
>>   revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "offline", true
>>   revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "scrollbars", false
>>   revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "showBorder", true
>>   unlock screen
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> I have noticed that with revBrowserCef I cannot disable scrollbars and show border does not work for me but with revBrowserOpen they both work?
>> 
>> Perhaps I am doing something wrong or is revBrowserCef a work in progress?
>> 
>> ???????
>> 
>> At the moment it appears that I will have to create my own charts in LiveCode export them as index.htm then reload them into the browser.
>> 
>> Is there a way to create the chart in LiveCode then pass it straight to the browser.
>> 
>> I tried this without success using the content of one of the example files in highcharts:
>> 
>> put the uScript of me into tScript
>> revBrowserSet gBrowserID, "htmltext", tScript
>> revBrowserRefresh gBrowserID
>> 
>> ???????
>> 
>> Is there any better documentation on the use of the revBrowser commands or is it all to be trial and error?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> Terry
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 28 11:16:57 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:16:57 -0400
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
Message-ID: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and wildcards, e.g.
in a LIKE statement?

SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%

I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've tried
appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't work).

I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Tue Jul 28 11:40:11 2015
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:40:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <448FE362-A90A-4D29-9ED3-5DBDBEE0D19C@icloud.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
	<A26CBAA6-3603-4C63-A16F-65C22CC0B2BD@icloud.com>
	<6C2D9EA2-D8C7-42DF-8554-04A7341E6836@icloud.com>
	<CAGDT7eOX2BYSKSnJ4czRMswKiX5qu095RDxs3DN+VZ92M2J1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoyNmtWDB8C1PXZbt3NBO+yQbvOvxt_82qiVv==7vWYgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1DBEFD3.6A1AA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<448FE362-A90A-4D29-9ED3-5DBDBEE0D19C@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1438098011685-4694408.post@n4.nabble.com>

And all a little D?j?-vu:

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/mouse-within-oval-filled-area-td4034252.html

http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-mouse-within-oval-filled-area-A-solution-using-geometry-td4037520.html

funny to read this thread from 2011. 

Kind regards
Bernd



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From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 11:46:17 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:46:17 -0700
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHgfbqaeRoHZX98V8JMdfQAQ8Wk9D0sR3=VBOhjtb3dFQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

> As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks simultaneously
> on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
> around to this?
>

My thinking at the moment as I ponder a tablet version is to use groups.

I cleverly created floating stacks for controls that follow the user from
datapoint to datapoint.  I *think* I can largely change that to a group . .
.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Tue Jul 28 11:44:48 2015
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:44:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <D1DBEFD3.6A1AA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <9A679CB5-4B91-413F-966F-A27176264E13@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
	<A26CBAA6-3603-4C63-A16F-65C22CC0B2BD@icloud.com>
	<6C2D9EA2-D8C7-42DF-8554-04A7341E6836@icloud.com>
	<CAGDT7eOX2BYSKSnJ4czRMswKiX5qu095RDxs3DN+VZ92M2J1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoyNmtWDB8C1PXZbt3NBO+yQbvOvxt_82qiVv==7vWYgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1DBEFD3.6A1AA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <1438098288821-4694409.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks for posting this Scott.

Although it begs the question why it works. I suppose it is because of
anti-aliasing and not fully opaque pixels in a one pixel wide border.

If you increase the the borderwidth for whatever reason to say 3 you will
have more than one segment hilited when going from on segment to the other.

Kind regards
Bernd


Scott Rossi wrote
> Just to beat the horse a bit more, here's a stripped down version of
> Mike's approach that seems to work as expected (LC 7.0.5).  In your
> message box:
> go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/mouseover_mod.livecode"
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director





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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 28 11:49:42 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:49:42 +0000
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <55B25793.9080108@fourthworld.com>
References: <D9779303-6AF8-4573-AA5A-B9FEAFF65DE8@pacifier.com>
	<55B25793.9080108@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <48FBDA7A-3414-4FCE-9DEA-818746B5A5E8@iotecdigital.com>

You do not remember correctly. What I said (if I am remembering correctly) is that you need at least the size of your memory free and then some. This is because your OS will page out your memory into virtual memory, which is just a disk cache. But other apps also need room to grow for other things. I have always maintained that 10% is a red line you should never cross without risking damage to the OS or other apps data.

Bob S


On Jul 24, 2015, at 08:19 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
space on the drive.  Anything below that and
it normal operations like opening files will be
slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
you can speed things up a little by relaunching
the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
a temporary fix.

John Balgenorth



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Jul 28 11:52:36 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:52:36 -0700
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <D1DCEFD1.6A2C7%scott@tactilemedia.com>

What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape or
using transitions in front of a fixed background?

AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But you
might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving your
card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single card
(with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the same
transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding groups.

However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
change your background stack into a background object that appears behind
all cards in your foreground stack.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

>As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks simultaneously
>on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
>around to this?
>
>In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
>visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
>look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
>video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
>property.
>
>Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>
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From ray at linkit.com  Tue Jul 28 11:54:09 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:54:09 +0100
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHgfbqaeRoHZX98V8JMdfQAQ8Wk9D0sR3=VBOhjtb3dFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
	<CANQHZSHgfbqaeRoHZX98V8JMdfQAQ8Wk9D0sR3=VBOhjtb3dFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B7A5A1.7010900@LinkIt.Com>

Interesting...  So is the idea that if cards become groups, I can then 
display group after group instead of card after card, but still 
unlocking the screen with visual effects each time, while maintaining a 
second 'fixed' group on top?

On 7/28/15 4:46 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks simultaneously
>> on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
>> around to this?
>>
> My thinking at the moment as I ponder a tablet version is to use groups.
>
> I cleverly created floating stacks for controls that follow the user from
> datapoint to datapoint.  I *think* I can largely change that to a group . .
> .
>
>




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 28 11:59:30 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:59:30 +0000
Subject: Best practise for a quiz control?
In-Reply-To: <c6c6361e2cda0d700b2f06179c5784da@livecode.com>
References: <006b01d0c5f5$1e083c60$5a18b520$@kestner.de>
	<c6c6361e2cda0d700b2f06179c5784da@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <764F6AB5-CA11-4C25-8E0B-4230C472B454@iotecdigital.com>

I was just thinking about an alternative to modal processing, because I have a stack I want to be modal just so I can interrupt the flow of the calling program. However, if I throw an error while modal, say a database connection error which I occassionally get because I am using an iffy wireless router, I cannot interact with the debugger. 

What I was thinking is having a toggle variable that contains something like ?pre? or ?post?. The handler that calls the stack would have two sections. One ?if pModal is ?pre?" the other ?else ? if pModal is ?post?. 

Now in the calling openStack handler I would get the object that opened the stack and the handler that opened it. Once done, I would send the handler with the arguement ?post? in time, then close the stack. I can pass data back and forth with the dialogData. 

Using this method I can avoid the issues that come with calling a stack as modal, especially during development. I could also have the advantage of calling multiple stacks ?pseudo-modally? without the stacks interfering with each other. 

Bob S


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 02:52 , Mark Waddingham <mark at livecode.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am not sure, what my loop will be doing, while I opened modal the answer
>> window? Will the loop wait for the user answer in the modal window in both
>> above cases, or is the modal window completely independent from the loop and
>> the loop runs on? How can I hold my loop waiting for the user action in the
>> modal window?
> 
> When you 'modal' a stack, the modal command will block the current script until the dialog closes. (e.g. You have an OK / Cancel button which do 'close this stack').
> 
> Note that messages *are* dispatched whilst this blocking occurs - otherwise events wouldn't get processed so you wouldn't have any user interaction.
> 
> -- 
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> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Jul 28 12:00:19 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:00:19 -0700
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <55B7A5A1.7010900@LinkIt.Com>
References: <55B7A5A1.7010900@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <55B7A713.8090006@fourthworld.com>

Ray wrote:

 > Interesting...  So is the idea that if cards become groups, I
 > can then display group after group instead of card after card,
 > but still unlocking the screen with visual effects each time,
 > while maintaining a second 'fixed' group on top?

A long time ago I had to make several set of nested groups and found it 
painful to do, so I made Pane Reliever, which lets you build a stack and 
then it gathers up the controls from each card and makes a group for 
each card, nested within a master group that can be easily 
copied-and-pasted wherever needed:
<http://fourthworld.net/revnet/stacks/4W_PaneReliever.mc>

I haven't even looked at it in years so I have no idea if it even works 
in recent versions of LC, but feel free to modify it however you like if 
it seems useful at all.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ray at linkit.com  Tue Jul 28 12:01:37 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:01:37 +0100
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <D1DCEFD1.6A2C7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
	<D1DCEFD1.6A2C7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <55B7A761.5050107@LinkIt.Com>

Scott - the main issue is the second one you've mentioned, below, 
although it would be more accurate to say 'using transitions behind a 
fixed foreground'.  I'd like for the fixed foreground to be transparent, 
hence the introduction of the custom window shape idea.

Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now 
that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my 
users, not me, who populate each card with objects.  I'm also 
considering snapshots of the entire screen and transitioning from one 
PNG to the other while maintaining the same fixed group of objects in 
the foreground.

On 7/28/15 4:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape or
> using transitions in front of a fixed background?
>
> AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But you
> might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving your
> card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single card
> (with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the same
> transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding groups.
>
> However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
> change your background stack into a background object that appears behind
> all cards in your foreground stack.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
> On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks simultaneously
>> on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
>> around to this?
>>
>> In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
>> visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
>> look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
>> video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
>> property.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 28 12:01:07 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:01:07 +0000
Subject: Calendar Picker
In-Reply-To: <55B3C7DC.1010809@fourthworld.com>
References: <CADCoycOLcrRcJp2Wu9mbegTkyjZbyZZPK9tV=t5JpEt20CiSRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B3C7DC.1010809@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5151CB68-7803-46E2-92C1-6A2D618FD139@iotecdigital.com>

I have a great calendar picker I created, partly from another developers calendar object which I modified fairly extensively. I will look it up, but it is not intended for iOS or mobile. Still the core logic is probably what you need. 

Bob S


> On Jul 25, 2015, at 10:31 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Mike Kerner wrote:
> 
> > Has anybody done a calendar picker?  I want to add something to an
> > ios app.
> 
> mobilePickDate?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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From ray at linkit.com  Tue Jul 28 12:02:46 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:02:46 +0100
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <55B7A713.8090006@fourthworld.com>
References: <55B7A5A1.7010900@LinkIt.Com> <55B7A713.8090006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <55B7A7A6.5010304@LinkIt.Com>

Richard - many thanks.  I'll take a look.

On 7/28/15 5:00 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Ray wrote:
>
> > Interesting...  So is the idea that if cards become groups, I
> > can then display group after group instead of card after card,
> > but still unlocking the screen with visual effects each time,
> > while maintaining a second 'fixed' group on top?
>
> A long time ago I had to make several set of nested groups and found 
> it painful to do, so I made Pane Reliever, which lets you build a 
> stack and then it gathers up the controls from each card and makes a 
> group for each card, nested within a master group that can be easily 
> copied-and-pasted wherever needed:
> <http://fourthworld.net/revnet/stacks/4W_PaneReliever.mc>
>
> I haven't even looked at it in years so I have no idea if it even 
> works in recent versions of LC, but feel free to modify it however you 
> like if it seems useful at all.
>




From dave at applicationinsight.com  Tue Jul 28 12:07:46 2015
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:07:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>

Mike, assuming you are searching the db with parameter pSearchTerm, try
something like this:


put "%" & pSearchTerm & "%" into tSearchTerm
put "SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE :1" into tQuery
get revDataFromQuery(tab, return, sDBID, tQuery, "tSearchTerm")






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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Jul 28 12:14:45 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:14:45 -0700
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <55B7A761.5050107@LinkIt.Com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
	<D1DCEFD1.6A2C7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<55B7A761.5050107@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <D1DCF6D8.6A2F2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

I think I see what you're trying to do, and if I understand correctly, you
can't do it using built-intransitions.  You can restrict transitions
WITHIN a specified rect or object, but not outside (in this case, the
background).

What transition are you using -- one of the motion-based options like push
or scroll?  If yes, one solution could be to use the move command or
something like AnimationEngine to physically move background groups left
and right (or up and down).  But since we're talking about the entire
width/height of the card, that might be a lot of screen to update, which
could bog down on an underpowered device.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 9:01 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

>Scott - the main issue is the second one you've mentioned, below,
>although it would be more accurate to say 'using transitions behind a
>fixed foreground'.  I'd like for the fixed foreground to be transparent,
>hence the introduction of the custom window shape idea.
>
>Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
>that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
>users, not me, who populate each card with objects.  I'm also
>considering snapshots of the entire screen and transitioning from one
>PNG to the other while maintaining the same fixed group of objects in
>the foreground.
>
>On 7/28/15 4:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape or
>> using transitions in front of a fixed background?
>>
>> AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But you
>> might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving your
>> card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single
>>card
>> (with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the same
>> transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding groups.
>>
>> However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
>> change your background stack into a background object that appears
>>behind
>> all cards in your foreground stack.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks
>>>simultaneously
>>> on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
>>> around to this?
>>>
>>> In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
>>> visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
>>> look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
>>> video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
>>> property.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 12:11:29 2015
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:11:29 -0400
Subject: Thousands Separators
In-Reply-To: <55B78AB1.8010105@fourthworld.com>
References: <0F53A3D0-04F7-485B-92E0-F317E8E455DB@gmail.com>
	<55B78AB1.8010105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <55B7A9B1.404@gmail.com>

Richard,  I think Hugh had the same thoughts when he created the 
fieldformatter (http://www.flexiblelearning.com/fieldformatter/). Were 
you thinking of something different?

-= Mike


On 7/28/15 9:59 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> It's of course very useful that we have a community able and willing 
> to share handler for things like number formatting.
>
> But stepping back to look at the big picture, I find myself wondering:
>
> Why is that even necessary?
>
> Why isn't that just a field property, e.g. "the displayFormat"?
>
> The core language is very easy to use, but in many very common cases 
> like this it's not so easy at all, as we have to hand-craft things 
> that less capable tools provide as simple property settings.
>
> Another good candidate complimenting displayFormat would be 
> inputFilter, allowing us to set a property to enforce data entry rules 
> for specific types (numeric, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.).
>
> For all the wonderful time-saving features LiveCode provides, we spend 
> way too much time re-inventing some very basic wheels.
>
> Sure, we could wait for v8's Widgets for something like this, but I 
> wouldn't mind seeing a behavior library for this sooner.  I'd help. 
> Anyone have the time to steward such a project?  Even better if 
> someone here has the chops to do this in the engine where it's 
> arguably most beneficial for all of us.  I'd chip in on a bounty for 
> either of these.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From andrew at ctech.me  Tue Jul 28 12:17:04 2015
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:17:04 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft9_QYVVqDN1fNnVm_yi8JMdtT1V8wFeX9R-JC4sgM=jog@mail.gmail.com>

Does revDataFromQuery do any sanitizing/proper to prevent me from sneaking
extra SQL into your search box like an injection style attack, or does it
just plop whatever you give in there no questions asked? Just curious. I
have always been spoiled by SQLYoga or rolled my DB interfaces up into API
servers of some kind.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:09 AM Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
wrote:

> Mike, assuming you are searching the db with parameter pSearchTerm, try
> something like this:
>
>
> put "%" & pSearchTerm & "%" into tSearchTerm
> put "SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE :1" into tQuery
> get revDataFromQuery(tab, return, sDBID, tQuery, "tSearchTerm")
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Albert Einstein
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From andrew at ctech.me  Tue Jul 28 12:17:04 2015
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:17:04 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft9_QYVVqDN1fNnVm_yi8JMdtT1V8wFeX9R-JC4sgM=jog@mail.gmail.com>

Does revDataFromQuery do any sanitizing/proper to prevent me from sneaking
extra SQL into your search box like an injection style attack, or does it
just plop whatever you give in there no questions asked? Just curious. I
have always been spoiled by SQLYoga or rolled my DB interfaces up into API
servers of some kind.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:09 AM Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
wrote:

> Mike, assuming you are searching the db with parameter pSearchTerm, try
> something like this:
>
>
> put "%" & pSearchTerm & "%" into tSearchTerm
> put "SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE :1" into tQuery
> get revDataFromQuery(tab, return, sDBID, tQuery, "tSearchTerm")
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
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> Albert Einstein
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> View this message in context:
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From andrew at ctech.me  Tue Jul 28 12:18:26 2015
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:18:26 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft9_QYVVqDN1fNnVm_yi8JMdtT1V8wFeX9R-JC4sgM=jog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAHp9Ft9_QYVVqDN1fNnVm_yi8JMdtT1V8wFeX9R-JC4sgM=jog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft_Ji2bYqF9gSiUC2USi-UxmJ1OqZAa_mCk1+ZW7MrQBQA@mail.gmail.com>

Should have read, *proper escaping*.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:17 AM Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

> Does revDataFromQuery do any sanitizing/proper to prevent me from sneaking
> extra SQL into your search box like an injection style attack, or does it
> just plop whatever you give in there no questions asked? Just curious. I
> have always been spoiled by SQLYoga or rolled my DB interfaces up into API
> servers of some kind.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:09 AM Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mike, assuming you are searching the db with parameter pSearchTerm, try
>> something like this:
>>
>>
>> put "%" & pSearchTerm & "%" into tSearchTerm
>> put "SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE :1" into tQuery
>> get revDataFromQuery(tab, return, sDBID, tQuery, "tSearchTerm")
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> "The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."
>> - Albert Einstein
>> --
>> View this message in context:
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From andrew at ctech.me  Tue Jul 28 12:18:26 2015
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:18:26 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft9_QYVVqDN1fNnVm_yi8JMdtT1V8wFeX9R-JC4sgM=jog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Should have read, *proper escaping*.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:17 AM Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

> Does revDataFromQuery do any sanitizing/proper to prevent me from sneaking
> extra SQL into your search box like an injection style attack, or does it
> just plop whatever you give in there no questions asked? Just curious. I
> have always been spoiled by SQLYoga or rolled my DB interfaces up into API
> servers of some kind.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:09 AM Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mike, assuming you are searching the db with parameter pSearchTerm, try
>> something like this:
>>
>>
>> put "%" & pSearchTerm & "%" into tSearchTerm
>> put "SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE :1" into tQuery
>> get revDataFromQuery(tab, return, sDBID, tQuery, "tSearchTerm")
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> "The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."
>> - Albert Einstein
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/parameterized-query-with-wildcard-tp4694407p4694419.html
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From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 28 12:28:07 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:28:07 -0400
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft_Ji2bYqF9gSiUC2USi-UxmJ1OqZAa_mCk1+ZW7MrQBQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAHp9Ft9_QYVVqDN1fNnVm_yi8JMdtT1V8wFeX9R-JC4sgM=jog@mail.gmail.com>
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Dave, sorry, I thought I mentioned trying that.  It does not work.

Andrew, yes, if you use a parameterized query, you do not have to
escape/sanitize your parameters.  If you append them to build a query, you
do.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

> Should have read, *proper escaping*.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:17 AM Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:
>
> > Does revDataFromQuery do any sanitizing/proper to prevent me from
> sneaking
> > extra SQL into your search box like an injection style attack, or does it
> > just plop whatever you give in there no questions asked? Just curious. I
> > have always been spoiled by SQLYoga or rolled my DB interfaces up into
> API
> > servers of some kind.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:09 AM Dave Kilroy <
> dave at applicationinsight.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Mike, assuming you are searching the db with parameter pSearchTerm, try
> >> something like this:
> >>
> >>
> >> put "%" & pSearchTerm & "%" into tSearchTerm
> >> put "SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE :1" into tQuery
> >> get revDataFromQuery(tab, return, sDBID, tQuery, "tSearchTerm")
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> "The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."
> >> - Albert Einstein
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/parameterized-query-with-wildcard-tp4694407p4694419.html
> >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
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And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 28 12:34:20 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:34:20 -0400
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOJOTvrpqzQ73HcAd6FZvyM061C2TmfrVS5XbhayxRvJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Dave,
I take that back - I must have had a typo the first time I tried it.
Appending the wildcards to the search parameter does work.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Dave, sorry, I thought I mentioned trying that.  It does not work.
>
> Andrew, yes, if you use a parameterized query, you do not have to
> escape/sanitize your parameters.  If you append them to build a query, you
> do.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:
>
>> Should have read, *proper escaping*.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:17 AM Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:
>>
>> > Does revDataFromQuery do any sanitizing/proper to prevent me from
>> sneaking
>> > extra SQL into your search box like an injection style attack, or does
>> it
>> > just plop whatever you give in there no questions asked? Just curious. I
>> > have always been spoiled by SQLYoga or rolled my DB interfaces up into
>> API
>> > servers of some kind.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:09 AM Dave Kilroy <
>> dave at applicationinsight.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mike, assuming you are searching the db with parameter pSearchTerm, try
>> >> something like this:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> put "%" & pSearchTerm & "%" into tSearchTerm
>> >> put "SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE :1" into tQuery
>> >> get revDataFromQuery(tab, return, sDBID, tQuery, "tSearchTerm")
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----
>> >> "The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its
>> limits."
>> >> - Albert Einstein
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >>
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/parameterized-query-with-wildcard-tp4694407p4694419.html
>> >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
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> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From ray at linkit.com  Tue Jul 28 12:37:10 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:37:10 +0100
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <D1DCF6D8.6A2F2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
	<D1DCEFD1.6A2C7%scott@tactilemedia.com> <55B7A761.5050107@LinkIt.Com>
	<D1DCF6D8.6A2F2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
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I'm currently using this:
    lock screen for visual effect
    go next card
    unlock screen with visual effect push right fast

Works great, but it's the whole card.  I'd like to maintain a few 
transparent fields and images in a fixed way in front of this so the 
whole transition is happening behind these objects, much like a 
'heads-up' in a video game which shows how much ammunition you have left.

I, too, doubt the move command would work well on under-powered mobile 
devices.  I'm kind of leaning toward something like this:
    hide the objects I want to remain stationary and get a snapshot of 
the both the current and destination cards
    re-show the objects I want to remain stationary
    lock screen for visual effect
    hide the snapshot of the current card, show the snapshot of the 
destination card
    unlock screen with visual effect push right fast
    copy the objects I want to remain stationary to the destination card
    go to the destination card
    delete both snapshots

What do you think?


On 7/28/15 5:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> I think I see what you're trying to do, and if I understand correctly, you
> can't do it using built-intransitions.  You can restrict transitions
> WITHIN a specified rect or object, but not outside (in this case, the
> background).
>
> What transition are you using -- one of the motion-based options like push
> or scroll?  If yes, one solution could be to use the move command or
> something like AnimationEngine to physically move background groups left
> and right (or up and down).  But since we're talking about the entire
> width/height of the card, that might be a lot of screen to update, which
> could bog down on an underpowered device.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
> On 7/28/15, 9:01 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott - the main issue is the second one you've mentioned, below,
>> although it would be more accurate to say 'using transitions behind a
>> fixed foreground'.  I'd like for the fixed foreground to be transparent,
>> hence the introduction of the custom window shape idea.
>>
>> Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
>> that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
>> users, not me, who populate each card with objects.  I'm also
>> considering snapshots of the entire screen and transitioning from one
>> PNG to the other while maintaining the same fixed group of objects in
>> the foreground.
>>
>> On 7/28/15 4:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>> What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape or
>>> using transitions in front of a fixed background?
>>>
>>> AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But you
>>> might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving your
>>> card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single
>>> card
>>> (with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the same
>>> transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding groups.
>>>
>>> However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
>>> change your background stack into a background object that appears
>>> behind
>>> all cards in your foreground stack.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks
>>>> simultaneously
>>>> on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a work
>>>> around to this?
>>>>
>>>> In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
>>>> visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
>>>> look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
>>>> video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
>>>> property.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Jul 28 12:59:16 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:59:16 -0700
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <55B7AFB6.8010300@LinkIt.Com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
	<D1DCEFD1.6A2C7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<55B7A761.5050107@LinkIt.Com>
	<D1DCF6D8.6A2F2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<55B7AFB6.8010300@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <D1DD0066.6A314%scott@tactilemedia.com>

If you're planning to hide the stationary objects during the transition,
that would work, but otherwise, I don't think so.  You can't use a
built-in motion transition and keep objects (real or virtual) in a fixed
location on the card.

One thing that came to mind as another option is the updated browser
control.  I *think* the new version might allow layering with other
LiveCode objects, but I'm not sure.  If yes, then that could be an option
since you could place a browser on the first layer of the card to display
background images, and use Javascript to do some nice transitions behind
objects in the foreground.  How well this would work on mobile, if it does
at all, I have no idea.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/28/15, 9:37 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

>I'm currently using this:
>    lock screen for visual effect
>    go next card
>    unlock screen with visual effect push right fast
>
>Works great, but it's the whole card.  I'd like to maintain a few
>transparent fields and images in a fixed way in front of this so the
>whole transition is happening behind these objects, much like a
>'heads-up' in a video game which shows how much ammunition you have left.
>
>I, too, doubt the move command would work well on under-powered mobile
>devices.  I'm kind of leaning toward something like this:
>    hide the objects I want to remain stationary and get a snapshot of
>the both the current and destination cards
>    re-show the objects I want to remain stationary
>    lock screen for visual effect
>    hide the snapshot of the current card, show the snapshot of the
>destination card
>    unlock screen with visual effect push right fast
>    copy the objects I want to remain stationary to the destination card
>    go to the destination card
>    delete both snapshots
>
>What do you think?
>
>
>On 7/28/15 5:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> I think I see what you're trying to do, and if I understand correctly,
>>you
>> can't do it using built-intransitions.  You can restrict transitions
>> WITHIN a specified rect or object, but not outside (in this case, the
>> background).
>>
>> What transition are you using -- one of the motion-based options like
>>push
>> or scroll?  If yes, one solution could be to use the move command or
>> something like AnimationEngine to physically move background groups left
>> and right (or up and down).  But since we're talking about the entire
>> width/height of the card, that might be a lot of screen to update, which
>> could bog down on an underpowered device.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/28/15, 9:01 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott - the main issue is the second one you've mentioned, below,
>>> although it would be more accurate to say 'using transitions behind a
>>> fixed foreground'.  I'd like for the fixed foreground to be
>>>transparent,
>>> hence the introduction of the custom window shape idea.
>>>
>>> Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although
>>>now
>>> that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
>>> users, not me, who populate each card with objects.  I'm also
>>> considering snapshots of the entire screen and transitioning from one
>>> PNG to the other while maintaining the same fixed group of objects in
>>> the foreground.
>>>
>>> On 7/28/15 4:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>> What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape
>>>>or
>>>> using transitions in front of a fixed background?
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But
>>>>you
>>>> might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving
>>>>your
>>>> card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single
>>>> card
>>>> (with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the
>>>>same
>>>> transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding
>>>>groups.
>>>>
>>>> However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
>>>> change your background stack into a background object that appears
>>>> behind
>>>> all cards in your foreground stack.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>> Creative Director
>>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks
>>>>> simultaneously
>>>>> on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a
>>>>>work
>>>>> around to this?
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
>>>>> visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
>>>>> look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
>>>>> video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
>>>>> property.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 13:10:42 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 10:10:42 -0700
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <55B7A761.5050107@LinkIt.Com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
	<D1DCEFD1.6A2C7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<55B7A761.5050107@LinkIt.Com>
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On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

>
> Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
> that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
> users, not me, who populate each card with objects.


That should not be a problem--you can paste, etc. to groups in the same way
as cards, and there is the "start editing group sizzle" to let them
populate the group.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From ray at linkit.com  Tue Jul 28 13:51:42 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:51:42 +0100
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <D1DD0066.6A314%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
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	<D1DD0066.6A314%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <55B7C12E.2070609@LinkIt.Com>

Scott - I'm experimenting with this now and not having a whole lot of 
success, mainly due to the limitation you've mentioned here.  I was 
hoping I could hide and show images instead of going from card to card.  
That might leave a field on screen independent of the transition, but I 
was wrong.  You're right.  You can't use a built-in motion transition 
and keep an object on the card independent of it.  I'm not hopeful about 
the browser idea on mobile so I have to give this some thought.  I guess 
I can experiment with the move command.  Wouldn't it be nice if I could 
just display a stack as a floating palette on mobile!

On 7/28/15 5:59 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> If you're planning to hide the stationary objects during the transition,
> that would work, but otherwise, I don't think so.  You can't use a
> built-in motion transition and keep objects (real or virtual) in a fixed
> location on the card.
>
> One thing that came to mind as another option is the updated browser
> control.  I *think* the new version might allow layering with other
> LiveCode objects, but I'm not sure.  If yes, then that could be an option
> since you could place a browser on the first layer of the card to display
> background images, and use Javascript to do some nice transitions behind
> objects in the foreground.  How well this would work on mobile, if it does
> at all, I have no idea.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
> On 7/28/15, 9:37 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm currently using this:
>>     lock screen for visual effect
>>     go next card
>>     unlock screen with visual effect push right fast
>>
>> Works great, but it's the whole card.  I'd like to maintain a few
>> transparent fields and images in a fixed way in front of this so the
>> whole transition is happening behind these objects, much like a
>> 'heads-up' in a video game which shows how much ammunition you have left.
>>
>> I, too, doubt the move command would work well on under-powered mobile
>> devices.  I'm kind of leaning toward something like this:
>>     hide the objects I want to remain stationary and get a snapshot of
>> the both the current and destination cards
>>     re-show the objects I want to remain stationary
>>     lock screen for visual effect
>>     hide the snapshot of the current card, show the snapshot of the
>> destination card
>>     unlock screen with visual effect push right fast
>>     copy the objects I want to remain stationary to the destination card
>>     go to the destination card
>>     delete both snapshots
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>>
>> On 7/28/15 5:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>> I think I see what you're trying to do, and if I understand correctly,
>>> you
>>> can't do it using built-intransitions.  You can restrict transitions
>>> WITHIN a specified rect or object, but not outside (in this case, the
>>> background).
>>>
>>> What transition are you using -- one of the motion-based options like
>>> push
>>> or scroll?  If yes, one solution could be to use the move command or
>>> something like AnimationEngine to physically move background groups left
>>> and right (or up and down).  But since we're talking about the entire
>>> width/height of the card, that might be a lot of screen to update, which
>>> could bog down on an underpowered device.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/28/15, 9:01 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott - the main issue is the second one you've mentioned, below,
>>>> although it would be more accurate to say 'using transitions behind a
>>>> fixed foreground'.  I'd like for the fixed foreground to be
>>>> transparent,
>>>> hence the introduction of the custom window shape idea.
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although
>>>> now
>>>> that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
>>>> users, not me, who populate each card with objects.  I'm also
>>>> considering snapshots of the entire screen and transitioning from one
>>>> PNG to the other while maintaining the same fixed group of objects in
>>>> the foreground.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/28/15 4:52 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>>> What's the main issue you're trying to solve?  A custom window shape
>>>>> or
>>>>> using transitions in front of a fixed background?
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK, you can't use the windowShape property on mobile stacks.  But
>>>>> you
>>>>> might achieve the effect of one stack in front of another by moving
>>>>> your
>>>>> card-based content into groups, and showing/hiding groups on a single
>>>>> card
>>>>> (with the card acting as the background stack).  You can apply the
>>>>> same
>>>>> transitions used when navigating between cards to showing/hiding
>>>>> groups.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, the above might not be necessary.  You also might be able to
>>>>> change your background stack into a background object that appears
>>>>> behind
>>>>> all cards in your foreground stack.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>>> Creative Director
>>>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/28/15, 7:51 AM, "Ray" <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I know, it's not possible to display two stacks
>>>>>> simultaneously
>>>>>> on either Android or iOS.  Does anybody have any suggestions for a
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> around to this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my case I have a stack with multiple cards which transition with
>>>>>> visual effects as users go from card to card.  I'd like to keep this
>>>>>> look while at the same time displaying in front of it another, fixed,
>>>>>> video game style 'heads-up' stack on screen using the window mask
>>>>>> property.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any ideas!
>>>>>>
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From ray at linkit.com  Tue Jul 28 13:53:37 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:53:37 +0100
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGtyQPQ6WmhM9wMqtk-vDDJwkLXBGNqy7e5QQJ9xKYQhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
	<D1DCEFD1.6A2C7%scott@tactilemedia.com> <55B7A761.5050107@LinkIt.Com>
	<CANQHZSGtyQPQ6WmhM9wMqtk-vDDJwkLXBGNqy7e5QQJ9xKYQhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55B7C1A1.900@LinkIt.Com>

Understood, but then I'm still left with how to use the built-in visual 
effects while hiding one group and showing another and still leave the 
stationary fields out of the transition.

On 7/28/15 6:10 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>
>> Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
>> that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
>> users, not me, who populate each card with objects.
>
> That should not be a problem--you can paste, etc. to groups in the same way
> as cards, and there is the "start editing group sizzle" to let them
> populate the group.
>
>




From simon at smknight.co.uk  Tue Jul 28 14:29:59 2015
From: simon at smknight.co.uk (Simon Knight)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:29:59 +0100
Subject: Livecode and UTF8
Message-ID: <55B7CA27.4070202@smknight.co.uk>

Hi,

I have an app that works with old fashioned text i.e. characters with a 
code value of less than 128.  Recently I enabled cut and paste and the 
app gets confused it text is pasted in with character values > 127.  I 
have done the obvious and an filtering out all characters with an Ascii 
value of >127 but in the longer term I want to convert a few high bit 
characters to a low bit versions e.g. smart quotes to dumb quotes.

Some of the text that gets pasted from my email client is in UTF8. I 
have done some web research and now know a little about UTF8.  I have 
written a routine that captures any UTF8 code patterns and passes the 
UTF string to a routine for conversion.

A UTF8 string may be between one and four bytes long and every byte has 
a value greater than 127.  I wish to extract the UTF character value and 
use the value to do the conversion.  My question is: does livecode have 
any method of converting  a UTF8 character string to either a UTF16 
string or to the numeric value of the character which I believe is the 
same if leading zeros are ignored?  For instance a smart open quote 
appears in my data as a series of three bytes : [E2-hex,80-hex,9C-hex] 
the numeric value of the character is encoded within the bits of the 
three bytes and will take some bit shifting to extract : the UTF8 string 
decodes to 201C-hex or 8220 base 10.

At present I am working with Livecode 6.7 and have read about and tried 
the uniEncode and uniDecode functions.  The description of these 
functions does not make any sense to me as they seem to be about adding 
or removing every other byte which can't work with UTF8.

I have tried various versions of the following button code attempting to 
get a result of 8220 base 10:

on mouseUp
      put numToChar(226) into tString -- E2 hex
      put numToChar(128) after tString -- 80 hex
      put numToChar(156) after tString -- 9C hex

      Set the UseUniCode to true

      put "source string :" &  tstring

      put uniDecode(tString,"UTF8") into tResult

      put CharToNum(tResult) into tNumberResult  -- seeking value 8220 
in base 10

end mouseUp

So do I have to knuckle down and start bit shifting?

thanks for reading
Simon



From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Jul 28 14:41:40 2015
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:41:40 -0400
Subject: Thousands Separators
In-Reply-To: <55B7A9B1.404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14ed5f85c57-413b-1a0c7@webprd-a25.mail.aol.com>

You might post this to the "Feature Requests" pane in the forums.


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2015 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: Thousands Separators


Richard,  I think Hugh had the same thoughts when he created the

fieldformatter (http://www.flexiblelearning.com/fieldformatter/). Were 
you
thinking of something different?

-= Mike


On 7/28/15 9:59 AM, Richard
Gaskin wrote:
> It's of course very useful that we have a community able and
willing 
> to share handler for things like number formatting.
>
> But
stepping back to look at the big picture, I find myself wondering:
>
> Why is
that even necessary?
>
> Why isn't that just a field property, e.g. "the
displayFormat"?
>
> The core language is very easy to use, but in many very
common cases 
> like this it's not so easy at all, as we have to hand-craft
things 
> that less capable tools provide as simple property settings.
>
>
Another good candidate complimenting displayFormat would be 
> inputFilter,
allowing us to set a property to enforce data entry rules 
> for specific types
(numeric, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.).
>
> For all the wonderful
time-saving features LiveCode provides, we spend 
> way too much time
re-inventing some very basic wheels.
>
> Sure, we could wait for v8's Widgets
for something like this, but I 
> wouldn't mind seeing a behavior library for
this sooner.  I'd help. 
> Anyone have the time to steward such a project? 
Even better if 
> someone here has the chops to do this in the engine where
it's 
> arguably most beneficial for all of us.  I'd chip in on a bounty for

> either of these.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
> 
Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> 
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Tue Jul 28 15:04:32 2015
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:04:32 -0700
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <55B7C1A1.900@LinkIt.Com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
	<D1DCEFD1.6A2C7%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<55B7A761.5050107@LinkIt.Com>
	<CANQHZSGtyQPQ6WmhM9wMqtk-vDDJwkLXBGNqy7e5QQJ9xKYQhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B7C1A1.900@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <6C9E3722-932C-4B1D-8A9E-01C1EDC6FFAE@canelasoftware.com>

Would it be helpful to use lock screen for visual effect in rect tRect?

If the controls you want to leave are in a header for instance, tRect would be 0,bottom of <header>,width of cd,bottom of cd.

-E

On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

> Understood, but then I'm still left with how to use the built-in visual effects while hiding one group and showing another and still leave the stationary fields out of the transition.
> 
> On 7/28/15 6:10 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
>>> that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
>>> users, not me, who populate each card with objects.
>> 
>> That should not be a problem--you can paste, etc. to groups in the same way
>> as cards, and there is the "start editing group sizzle" to let them
>> populate the group.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Jul 28 15:59:54 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:59:54 -0700
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <48FBDA7A-3414-4FCE-9DEA-818746B5A5E8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <D9779303-6AF8-4573-AA5A-B9FEAFF65DE8@pacifier.com>
	<55B25793.9080108@fourthworld.com>
	<48FBDA7A-3414-4FCE-9DEA-818746B5A5E8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0AB196DD-7011-4D1A-BEFB-7D9325CDAE9C@pacifier.com>

Okay I did not remember your statement
correctly.  But I have noticed after 50%
things start slowing down a little.  And if
I get to 20% they have slowed down a lot.
I do agree at 10% you are risking damage
but I would say from the poor performance
I have seen at 20% it suggest the drive is
rising damage.  30% and above seems to
work a lot better for me.  Even 10% seems
to be a lot of wasted space since on a 1TB
drive that is around 100gb.  That is how it
works for me and it is not limited to 1 drive.
As for the memory I usually only have one
app open at a time so that is not a problem.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 28, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> You do not remember correctly. What I said (if I am remembering correctly) is that you need at least the size of your memory free and then some. This is because your OS will page out your memory into virtual memory, which is just a disk cache. But other apps also need room to grow for other things. I have always maintained that 10% is a red line you should never cross without risking damage to the OS or other apps data.
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 08:19 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:
> 
> If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
> you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
> space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
> with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
> space on the drive.  Anything below that and
> it normal operations like opening files will be
> slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
> the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
> you can speed things up a little by relaunching
> the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
> Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
> a temporary fix.
> 
> John Balgenorth
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Jul 28 16:21:32 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:21:32 -0700
Subject: LiveCode and SQLite performace
In-Reply-To: <0AB196DD-7011-4D1A-BEFB-7D9325CDAE9C@pacifier.com>
References: <D9779303-6AF8-4573-AA5A-B9FEAFF65DE8@pacifier.com>
	<55B25793.9080108@fourthworld.com>
	<48FBDA7A-3414-4FCE-9DEA-818746B5A5E8@iotecdigital.com>
	<0AB196DD-7011-4D1A-BEFB-7D9325CDAE9C@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <DE7527E8-B712-4192-989A-F6FA0824B6E4@pacifier.com>

Another thing to consider is how many files
you are working with and creating in a day.
I am easily in the hundreds and that could
make things worse than for someone who
is just working with the same few files.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 28, 2015, at 12:59 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:

> Okay I did not remember your statement
> correctly.  But I have noticed after 50%
> things start slowing down a little.  And if
> I get to 20% they have slowed down a lot.
> I do agree at 10% you are risking damage
> but I would say from the poor performance
> I have seen at 20% it suggest the drive is
> rising damage.  30% and above seems to
> work a lot better for me.  Even 10% seems
> to be a lot of wasted space since on a 1TB
> drive that is around 100gb.  That is how it
> works for me and it is not limited to 1 drive.
> As for the memory I usually only have one
> app open at a time so that is not a problem.
> 
> John Balgenorth
> 
> 
> On Jul 28, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
>> You do not remember correctly. What I said (if I am remembering correctly) is that you need at least the size of your memory free and then some. This is because your OS will page out your memory into virtual memory, which is just a disk cache. But other apps also need room to grow for other things. I have always maintained that 10% is a red line you should never cross without risking damage to the OS or other apps data.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 08:19 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> If I remember correctly Bob Sneidar said that a
>> you need at least 1/2 of your hard drive as free
>> space to run efficiently.  So if you have a drive
>> with 500 GB you need 250 GB or more free
>> space on the drive.  Anything below that and
>> it normal operations like opening files will be
>> slower.  I have used more space than 1/2 and
>> the more I use the slower it gets.  Sometimes
>> you can speed things up a little by relaunching
>> the Finder.  That can be done using the Force
>> Quit option.  If it speeds things up it will only be
>> a temporary fix.
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 28 17:15:16 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 21:15:16 +0000
Subject: datagrid: index vs line
In-Reply-To: <DA5B67D6-080B-4476-BD70-1D2946A88260@major-k.de>
References: <DA5B67D6-080B-4476-BD70-1D2946A88260@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <7109D632-EF0F-483B-9A9B-F2BF925DAAF6@iotecdigital.com>

That is correct. If the datagrid does not have a sort applied, then upon populating it, the line and index numbers will be equal. Also, if you populate the datagrid with data in the same sort order as the datagrid, then line should equal index. It?s because of this and my need to assume that the visible line 1 is also the logical line 1 that I have gotten into the habit of getting the dgprop [?sort by column?] of the data grid, so I can query the data in the same order as the table is being sorted. 

Bob S


> On Jul 27, 2015, at 10:13 , Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi friends,
> 
> just a quick question:
> When you set "the dgdata" of a datagrid of type FORM
> and you do not sort or re-arrange the datagrid or whatever then 
> INDEX = LINE. Know what I mean? 
> 
> Is that correct?
> 
> Thanks a lot in advance!
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 28 17:47:51 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 21:47:51 +0000
Subject: Thousands Separators
In-Reply-To: <55B78AB1.8010105@fourthworld.com>
References: <0F53A3D0-04F7-485B-92E0-F317E8E455DB@gmail.com>
	<55B78AB1.8010105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1252CF07-2BE0-4AE3-809E-C659AAA12584@iotecdigital.com>

+1

I commented awhaaay back in Revolution 2 times how neat it would be to have a numberFormat property for fields, so that the stored value was one thing (a number) and the display value was another. Otherwise reading data into and out of databases requires a de-format and re-format function for dates, times and numbers.

I already have a formatDate() and formatTime() function. Why you ask? Because there are date and time formats that LC does not accomodate, such as sql datetime. But to be able to assign a format to a field, especially a datagrid column would save a lot of time and work.

Bob S


On Jul 28, 2015, at 06:59 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

It's of course very useful that we have a community able and willing to share handler for things like number formatting.

But stepping back to look at the big picture, I find myself wondering:

Why is that even necessary?

Why isn't that just a field property, e.g. "the displayFormat"?



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Jul 28 19:23:58 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 23:23:58 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>

Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?. 

If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at the end, LIKE ?%:1?

If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR column LIKE ?%:1?

HTH

Bob S


> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and wildcards, e.g.
> in a LIKE statement?
> 
> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
> 
> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've tried
> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't work).
> 
> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Jul 28 19:51:36 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:51:36 -0700
Subject: MySql lite DB name
Message-ID: <5CAFF636-2B97-408A-A1C5-02333B215648@pacifier.com>

How do I get the name of the current
open database in mySql lite?

John Balgenorth



From sundown at pacifier.com  Tue Jul 28 21:00:46 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:00:46 -0700
Subject: MySql lite DB name
In-Reply-To: <5CAFF636-2B97-408A-A1C5-02333B215648@pacifier.com>
References: <5CAFF636-2B97-408A-A1C5-02333B215648@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <99BB617F-D209-4C92-9851-10A1D01C80D8@pacifier.com>

SELECT DATABASE()
John Balgenorth


On Jul 28, 2015, at 4:51 PM, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:

> How do I get the name of the current
> open database in mySql lite?
> 
> John Balgenorth
> 
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From james at thehales.id.au  Tue Jul 28 21:27:30 2015
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:27:30 +1000
Subject: Parsing and Extracting Text from ePub XHTML
Message-ID: <AFF832EA-469B-4A96-A603-7DDF28A50E57@thehales.id.au>

Hi Brahmanathaswami,

I wrote a sample stack that opens and displays pubs if that is of any use.

You can find it here...

http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/761/Epub-Opener

If it is of help, let me know :-)

James




From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Wed Jul 29 03:17:40 2015
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:17:40 +1000
Subject: LiveCode community server on Docker
Message-ID: <9B00CBDF-B9E1-4FC5-8AF3-6D3465D4B495@techstrategies.com.au>

Hi All,

In case anyone is interested, I have uploaded a Docker image with Apache + LiveCode Community Server installed to the Docker Hub registry .

https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/ <https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/>

To use, simply run the following command from the directory where you have your LiveCode scripts:

	docker run -it --rm -P --name livecode -v "$PWD":/var/www/html/ techstrategies/livecode:7.0.6

Cheers,

Charles

From t.heaford at icloud.com  Wed Jul 29 03:55:43 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:55:43 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <1438098011685-4694408.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqM0gTukx483BT-KWFokS6eiNW6FvNm1xJG8R7vHVi4Gw@mail.gmail.com>
	<14BE7AF7-E5FF-4C77-9717-5A602C07896F@icloud.com>
	<CAG1cpSrEzonwEKy_1OSmJ12sH1wgTXOOyPXmHgPjwLdH1NxeCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69428ACD-E561-489B-9BF0-8A10287ADD56@icloud.com>
	<A26CBAA6-3603-4C63-A16F-65C22CC0B2BD@icloud.com>
	<6C2D9EA2-D8C7-42DF-8554-04A7341E6836@icloud.com>
	<CAGDT7eOX2BYSKSnJ4czRMswKiX5qu095RDxs3DN+VZ92M2J1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoyNmtWDB8C1PXZbt3NBO+yQbvOvxt_82qiVv==7vWYgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1DBEFD3.6A1AA%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<448FE362-A90A-4D29-9ED3-5DBDBEE0D19C@icloud.com>
	<1438098011685-4694408.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BC5BE0CD-0243-42FE-8038-63F6B6A6C4EB@icloud.com>

Yes as I am new to LC I was not aware of this although ?the solution? does not work correctly.

It does not limit itself to the filled area of a segment.

If there are other graphics on the page that align with a segment but are beyond the arc of the segment it still displays as selected because it limits its test to the angle from the centre of the arc only.
It does not test for a mouseLoc only being within the radius of the arc.

That would be todays challenge. How to limit the test to within the arc radius :)

If there are no other objects on the page then all is fine.

All the best

Terry



> On 28 Jul 2015, at 16:40, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
> 
> And all a little D?j?-vu:
> 
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/mouse-within-oval-filled-area-td4034252.html
> 
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-mouse-within-oval-filled-area-A-solution-using-geometry-td4037520.html
> 
> funny to read this thread from 2011. 
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Drawing-a-Graphice-Segment-tp4694331p4694408.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From ray at linkit.com  Wed Jul 29 04:51:35 2015
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:51:35 +0100
Subject: Multiple Stacks on Mobile
In-Reply-To: <6C9E3722-932C-4B1D-8A9E-01C1EDC6FFAE@canelasoftware.com>
References: <553512B8.3090404@LinkIt.Com> <55352444.4070204@fourthworld.com>
	<55353B13.8060003@hyperactivesw.com> <55B796EE.1090700@LinkIt.Com>
	<D1DCEFD1.6A2C7%scott@tactilemedia.com> <55B7A761.5050107@LinkIt.Com>
	<CANQHZSGtyQPQ6WmhM9wMqtk-vDDJwkLXBGNqy7e5QQJ9xKYQhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<55B7C1A1.900@LinkIt.Com>
	<6C9E3722-932C-4B1D-8A9E-01C1EDC6FFAE@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <55B89417.1090707@LinkIt.Com>

Eric - that might work, but only if the part of the screen which 
transitions with the visual effect does not overlap the part which 
remains stationary (the rect).  In my case they do overlap so the 
snapshot idea, I believe, is the best.

Thanks

On 7/28/15 8:04 PM, Eric Corbett wrote:
> Would it be helpful to use lock screen for visual effect in rect tRect?
>
> If the controls you want to leave are in a header for instance, tRect would be 0,bottom of <header>,width of cd,bottom of cd.
>
> -E
>
> On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>
>> Understood, but then I'm still left with how to use the built-in visual effects while hiding one group and showing another and still leave the stationary fields out of the transition.
>>
>> On 7/28/15 6:10 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dr. Hawkins also suggested the groups idea which I can try, although now
>>>> that I think about it that might be a little complicated since it's my
>>>> users, not me, who populate each card with objects.
>>> That should not be a problem--you can paste, etc. to groups in the same way
>>> as cards, and there is the "start editing group sizzle" to let them
>>> populate the group.
>>>
>>>
>>
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From hh at livecode.org  Wed Jul 29 05:32:28 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (hh)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:32:28 +0200
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
Message-ID: <51431945-A3E2-41B2-AF31-3E03C5FA9AAA@livecode.org>

The function below determines for any point (x,y) whether it is within an oval graphic or not. You may add your own criteria like colour or fill/transparency or visibility ...

There is one "uncertainty by default", the border, that is drawn with half of the lineSize outside the object. LC is also sloppy with the rect of objects with large lineSizes.

For a function that covers all seven types of LC graphics objects see the function "hhPointWithinGrc" of my stack #47 ("pointInShape") in
forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=19248

function pointWithinOval G, p
  -- G is the short name or the number of an *oval* graphic
  -- p is a point in local coords, for example the clickloc
  if p is not within the rect of grc G then return false
  put the loc of grc G into lc
  put the width of grc G into w
  put the height of grc G into h
  put h*(item 1 of p - item 1 of lc) into d1
  put w*(item 2 of p - item 2 of lc) into d2
  put the arcAngle of grc G into c2
  if c2 < 360 then
    put the startAngle of grc G into c1
    put (c1 + c2) into c3
    if d2 < 0 then put 0 - atan2(d2,d1)*180/pi into c
    else put 360 - atan2(d2,d1)*180/pi into c
    if c3 <= 360 then put ( (c1 <= c) and (c <= c3) ) into cc
    else put ( (c1 <= c) or (c <= c3 - 360) ) into cc
    return ( ( 4*d1^2 + 4*d2^2 <= w^2*h^2 ) and cc )
  else return  ( 4*d1^2 + 4*d2^2 <= w^2*h^2 )
end pointWithinOval

Hermann


From david at viral.academy  Wed Jul 29 05:43:40 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:43:40 +0100
Subject: LiveCode community server on Docker
In-Reply-To: <9B00CBDF-B9E1-4FC5-8AF3-6D3465D4B495@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <9B00CBDF-B9E1-4FC5-8AF3-6D3465D4B495@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAGASioMZjcWHH1yNebuCdsN_ACd3Nwf4HTHi1cMNbVjEO_2_fA@mail.gmail.com>

Wonderful. I'd love to know the steps it took. I've nearly got an alpha of
the Livecode Daemon working, and I want to test that as a Docker.

On 29 July 2015 at 08:17, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In case anyone is interested, I have uploaded a Docker image with Apache +
> LiveCode Community Server installed to the Docker Hub registry .
>
> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/ <
> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/>
>
> To use, simply run the following command from the directory where you have
> your LiveCode scripts:
>
>         docker run -it --rm -P --name livecode -v "$PWD":/var/www/html/
> techstrategies/livecode:7.0.6
>
> Cheers,
>
> Charles
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From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Wed Jul 29 07:01:35 2015
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 21:01:35 +1000
Subject: LiveCode community server on Docker
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2.1438164003.5164.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.2.1438164003.5164.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C6C1A76F-B56D-4F1D-A9C8-4BF15742670B@techstrategies.com.au>

Hi David,

Setting up a Docker image is fairly simple.  I am guessing you are wanting to run a LiveCode Linux standalone in a Docker container that listens on a particular port?

In that case, it would be a matter of configuring a Dockerfile that uses a base Docker image for whatever distro you prefer, copies the standalone into it, and sets it to execute on startup of the container?  For what you are doing the Dockerfile might look something like:

?
FROM: ubuntu:14.04

EXPOSE 5000 (put what port you are using here)

COPY yourstandalone /linux/path/to/yourstandalone

ENTRYPOINT [?/linux/path/to/yourstandalone?]
CMD [?-p parameter?, ?-y another parameter?]
?

Then, making sure that the Dockerfile and standalone are in the current directory, build it?. "docker build -t image name ."

Hope that helps,

Charles


> On 29 Jul 2015, at 8:00 pm, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> From: David Bovill <david at viral.academy <mailto:david at viral.academy>>
> Subject: Re: LiveCode community server on Docker
> Date: 29 July 2015 7:43:40 pm AEST
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> 
> 
> Wonderful. I'd love to know the steps it took. I've nearly got an alpha of
> the Livecode Daemon working, and I want to test that as a Docker.
> 
> On 29 July 2015 at 08:17, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au <mailto:charles at techstrategies.com.au>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> In case anyone is interested, I have uploaded a Docker image with Apache +
>> LiveCode Community Server installed to the Docker Hub registry .
>> 
>> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/ <https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/> <
>> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/ <https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/>>
>> 
>> To use, simply run the following command from the directory where you have
>> your LiveCode scripts:
>> 
>>        docker run -it --rm -P --name livecode -v "$PWD":/var/www/html/
>> techstrategies/livecode:7.0.6
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Charles
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>> 
> 



From david at viral.academy  Wed Jul 29 07:07:42 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:07:42 +0100
Subject: LiveCode community server on Docker
In-Reply-To: <C6C1A76F-B56D-4F1D-A9C8-4BF15742670B@techstrategies.com.au>
References: <mailman.2.1438164003.5164.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<C6C1A76F-B56D-4F1D-A9C8-4BF15742670B@techstrategies.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAGASioN0=r0qh1Jy7NzxeucF8Emfv6qeQqc=EwVqqmKW5XFKDg@mail.gmail.com>

That helps a lot. I'll let you know how it progresses :) By the way - where
are you hosting the docker with? I wouldn't mind giving your docker a spin
:)

On 29 July 2015 at 12:01, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au>
wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Setting up a Docker image is fairly simple.  I am guessing you are wanting
> to run a LiveCode Linux standalone in a Docker container that listens on a
> particular port?
>
> In that case, it would be a matter of configuring a Dockerfile that uses a
> base Docker image for whatever distro you prefer, copies the standalone
> into it, and sets it to execute on startup of the container?  For what you
> are doing the Dockerfile might look something like:
>
> ?
> FROM: ubuntu:14.04
>
> EXPOSE 5000 (put what port you are using here)
>
> COPY yourstandalone /linux/path/to/yourstandalone
>
> ENTRYPOINT [?/linux/path/to/yourstandalone?]
> CMD [?-p parameter?, ?-y another parameter?]
> ?
>
> Then, making sure that the Dockerfile and standalone are in the current
> directory, build it?. "docker build -t image name ."
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Charles
>
>
> > On 29 Jul 2015, at 8:00 pm, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> >
> > From: David Bovill <david at viral.academy <mailto:david at viral.academy>>
> > Subject: Re: LiveCode community server on Docker
> > Date: 29 July 2015 7:43:40 pm AEST
> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> >
> >
> > Wonderful. I'd love to know the steps it took. I've nearly got an alpha
> of
> > the Livecode Daemon working, and I want to test that as a Docker.
> >
> > On 29 July 2015 at 08:17, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au
> <mailto:charles at techstrategies.com.au>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> In case anyone is interested, I have uploaded a Docker image with
> Apache +
> >> LiveCode Community Server installed to the Docker Hub registry .
> >>
> >> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/ <
> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/> <
> >> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/ <
> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/>>
> >>
> >> To use, simply run the following command from the directory where you
> have
> >> your LiveCode scripts:
> >>
> >>        docker run -it --rm -P --name livecode -v "$PWD":/var/www/html/
> >> techstrategies/livecode:7.0.6
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Charles
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode <
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode>
> >>
> >
>
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From t.heaford at icloud.com  Wed Jul 29 07:22:17 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:22:17 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <51431945-A3E2-41B2-AF31-3E03C5FA9AAA@livecode.org>
References: <51431945-A3E2-41B2-AF31-3E03C5FA9AAA@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <E73E33D7-95F7-408B-8438-365E3B3971C8@icloud.com>


> On 29 Jul 2015, at 10:32, hh <hh at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
> There is one "uncertainty by default", the border, that is drawn with half of the lineSize outside the object. LC is also sloppy with the rect of objects with large lineSizes.


Yes, this seems to be the sticking point with all methods, the function returns true if the point is within the rect.

It does not resolve that the arc is not the perimeter of the rect.

You cannot be confident of the return value with other objects on the same card.

I suppose it can be resolved with a pie chart by having the segments in a unique group with no other objects and the legend in another unique group.

The only solution I see is for the LiveCode engineers to resolve this issue by correcting what I believe to be BUG.

I will not be submitting this BUG as without checking I would be surprised if it has not been submitted before and not actioned.

Thanks for everyones efforts.



All the best

Terry

From dfepstein at comcast.net  Tue Jul 28 16:51:42 2015
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (dfepstein at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:51:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Field loses its identity as a target
In-Reply-To: <E83142B5-CDC1-4FE4-A487-400053B0BFCB@comcast.net>
References: <E83142B5-CDC1-4FE4-A487-400053B0BFCB@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1879546666.16695696.1438116702945.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

I have encountered a bizarre problem that occurs in a somewhat complicated context. ?I wonder if anyone has experienced anything similar. 
In short: ?when I click a locked field on one occasion ?the long id of the target? returns the expected result; but when I click on it subsequently ?the long id of the target? returns the long id of the card instead. 

Details: 
To allow the user to edit certain properties of a card, I copy a ?dropPanel? group to that card, allowing the user the adjust various controls on that group whose settings I use to adjust the appropriate properties of the card. ?I want the ?dropPanel? to disappear if the user clicks outside of it, so I insert a frontScript that, on mousedown, checks whether the targeted object is part of the dropPanel group. 

This has worked well for a long time, but I now encounter this problem. ?Several of the controls in one of my dropPanels are locked fields (call one of these ?A?). ?The first time one is clicked on, it operates as expected. ?But on subsequent clicks my dropPanel gets deleted. ?When I debug my frontScript, I see that on the first occasion the long id of the target is recognized as ?field id x of group id y of? etc.??and my script confirms that this control is indeed part of the dropPanel group and so clicking it should not delete that group. ?On subsequent clicks, however, that same target is interpreted as ?card id x? etc.?, which of course is not a member of the group, and this causes my group to be deleted. 

Why does my field ?A? lose its identity between these two clicks? ?When working properly, the click on the locked field causes a different group to be created adjacent to it, allowing the user to select one or more things from a list field (?B?), and then click a Cancel or OK button. ?(This subgroup does not have the auto-close feature). ?The OK button of that subgroup sets a custom property of and sets the text of field ?A??neither of which seems like it should cause that main field no longer to be recognized as a target. ?And the Cancel button does nothing at all to the main field. ?OK and Cancel both delete the subgroup that includes them and Field ?B?. 

Testing various combinations of events, I learned that the problem arises whenever the user selects something in the list field ?B??regardless of whether he clicks OK or Cancel?but there is no problem if he never makes a selection in that list field ?B??again, regardless of whether he clicks OK or Cancel. ?(And if toggleHilites is true for field ?B? the problem arises even if the user removes a selection he initially made). 

So it seems as if nothing my scripts do to Field ?A? is associated with its losing its identity; it is rather the fact that one or more lines have been selected in a different field (the list field ?B?). ?Two more symptoms 
- clicking on a second locked field that operates in the same way also causes the problem; i.e., two clicks on one field or one each on two fields makes no difference. 
- Field A does not seem to lose its identity until the subgroup containing Field B is deleted. ?If a wayward user repeatedly clicks on Field A and makes a selection in Field B without clicking OK or Cancel, the script as written will keep creating new subgroups with new Field B?s. ?Only after the user has repeatedly clicked OK or Cancel to remove the duplicative series of subgroups will a click on Field A cause the problem. 

Thanks very much for any insights about this. 

David Epstein 



From charles at techstrategies.com.au  Wed Jul 29 07:51:15 2015
From: charles at techstrategies.com.au (Charles Warwick)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 21:51:15 +1000
Subject: LiveCode community server on Docker
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioN0=r0qh1Jy7NzxeucF8Emfv6qeQqc=EwVqqmKW5XFKDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2.1438164003.5164.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<C6C1A76F-B56D-4F1D-A9C8-4BF15742670B@techstrategies.com.au>
	<CAGASioN0=r0qh1Jy7NzxeucF8Emfv6qeQqc=EwVqqmKW5XFKDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E4E5286-5274-42B2-811B-D5BF520547FD@techstrategies.com.au>

For local testing (on a mac), I use boot2docker?  I also have some servers in Amazon AWS that run docker for cloud based stuff.

I?m happy to help out if you want to use it for some testing.  Send me an e-mail directly and we can discuss.


> On 29 Jul 2015, at 9:07 pm, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> That helps a lot. I'll let you know how it progresses :) By the way - where
> are you hosting the docker with? I wouldn't mind giving your docker a spin
> :)
> 
> On 29 July 2015 at 12:01, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au <mailto:charles at techstrategies.com.au>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Setting up a Docker image is fairly simple.  I am guessing you are wanting
>> to run a LiveCode Linux standalone in a Docker container that listens on a
>> particular port?
>> 
>> In that case, it would be a matter of configuring a Dockerfile that uses a
>> base Docker image for whatever distro you prefer, copies the standalone
>> into it, and sets it to execute on startup of the container?  For what you
>> are doing the Dockerfile might look something like:
>> 
>> ?
>> FROM: ubuntu:14.04
>> 
>> EXPOSE 5000 (put what port you are using here)
>> 
>> COPY yourstandalone /linux/path/to/yourstandalone
>> 
>> ENTRYPOINT [?/linux/path/to/yourstandalone?]
>> CMD [?-p parameter?, ?-y another parameter?]
>> ?
>> 
>> Then, making sure that the Dockerfile and standalone are in the current
>> directory, build it?. "docker build -t image name ."
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Charles
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Jul 2015, at 8:00 pm, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> From: David Bovill <david at viral.academy <mailto:david at viral.academy> <mailto:david at viral.academy <mailto:david at viral.academy>>>
>>> Subject: Re: LiveCode community server on Docker
>>> Date: 29 July 2015 7:43:40 pm AEST
>>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com> <mailto:
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Wonderful. I'd love to know the steps it took. I've nearly got an alpha
>> of
>>> the Livecode Daemon working, and I want to test that as a Docker.
>>> 
>>> On 29 July 2015 at 08:17, Charles Warwick <charles at techstrategies.com.au <mailto:charles at techstrategies.com.au>
>> <mailto:charles at techstrategies.com.au <mailto:charles at techstrategies.com.au>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> In case anyone is interested, I have uploaded a Docker image with
>> Apache +
>>>> LiveCode Community Server installed to the Docker Hub registry .
>>>> 
>>>> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/ <https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/> <
>> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/ <https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/>> <
>>>> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/ <https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/> <
>> https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/ <https://registry.hub.docker.com/u/techstrategies/livecode/>>>
>>>> 
>>>> To use, simply run the following command from the directory where you
>> have
>>>> your LiveCode scripts:
>>>> 
>>>>       docker run -it --rm -P --name livecode -v "$PWD":/var/www/html/
>>>> techstrategies/livecode:7.0.6
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Charles
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>>>> 
>>> 
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From hh at livecode.org  Wed Jul 29 08:06:21 2015
From: hh at livecode.org (hh)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:06:21 +0200
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <E73E33D7-95F7-408B-8438-365E3B3971C8@icloud.com>
References: <51431945-A3E2-41B2-AF31-3E03C5FA9AAA@livecode.org>
	<E73E33D7-95F7-408B-8438-365E3B3971C8@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <B67EF957-2007-481C-BBF0-8D0E7C875BEF@livecode.org>


> On 29 Jul 2015, at 13:22, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:

>> On 29 Jul 2015, at 10:32, hh <hh at livecode.org> wrote:
>> There is one "uncertainty by default", the border, that is drawn with half of the lineSize outside the object. LC is also sloppy with the rect of objects with large lineSizes.
> 
> Yes, this seems to be the sticking point with all methods, the function returns true if the point is within the rect.

Sorry, you are wrong. My function returns false if it is not within the rect, as a first test. Then it does the additional checks.

The handling of a point in the border can for example be tested if, for the check, the showBorder is temporarily set to false.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Jul 29 09:11:24 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 06:11:24 -0700
Subject: Field loses its identity as a target
In-Reply-To: <1879546666.16695696.1438116702945.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <1879546666.16695696.1438116702945.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <55B8D0FC.5040800@fourthworld.com>

I find that any number of clicks on a locked field consistently 
recognizes the field as the target, but unfortunately the rest of the 
description provided is too complex for me to be able to understand how 
to reproduce what you're seeing.

Do you have a simple example stack in which you can demonstrate this?

It may be that in the course of simplifying your setup to produce this 
simple example stack you may find the source of the issue.  Happens to 
me all the time. :)

If not, at least you'll have a good example others can use to verify the 
issue, and it'll be necessary if a bug report is filed.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com

David Epstein wrote:

> I have encountered a bizarre problem that occurs in a somewhat complicated context.  I wonder if anyone has experienced anything similar.
> In short:  when I click a locked field on one occasion ?the long id of the target? returns the expected result; but when I click on it subsequently ?the long id of the target? returns the long id of the card instead.
>
> Details:
> To allow the user to edit certain properties of a card, I copy a ?dropPanel? group to that card, allowing the user the adjust various controls on that group whose settings I use to adjust the appropriate properties of the card.  I want the ?dropPanel? to disappear if the user clicks outside of it, so I insert a frontScript that, on mousedown, checks whether the targeted object is part of the dropPanel group.
>
> This has worked well for a long time, but I now encounter this problem.  Several of the controls in one of my dropPanels are locked fields (call one of these ?A?).  The first time one is clicked on, it operates as expected.  But on subsequent clicks my dropPanel gets deleted.  When I debug my frontScript, I see that on the first occasion the long id of the target is recognized as ?field id x of group id y of? etc.??and my script confirms that this control is indeed part of the dropPanel group and so clicking it should not delete that group.  On subsequent clicks, however, that same target is interpreted as ?card id x? etc.?, which of course is not a member of the group, and this causes my group to be deleted.
>
> Why does my field ?A? lose its identity between these two clicks?  When working properly, the click on the locked field causes a different group to be created adjacent to it, allowing the user to select one or more things from a list field (?B?), and then click a Cancel or OK button.  (This subgroup does not have the auto-close feature).  The OK button of that subgroup sets a custom property of and sets the text of field ?A??neither of which seems like it should cause that main field no longer to be recognized as a target.  And the Cancel button does nothing at all to the main field.  OK and Cancel both delete the subgroup that includes them and Field ?B?.
>
> Testing various combinations of events, I learned that the problem arises whenever the user selects something in the list field ?B??regardless of whether he clicks OK or Cancel?but there is no problem if he never makes a selection in that list field ?B??again, regardless of whether he clicks OK or Cancel.  (And if toggleHilites is true for field ?B? the problem arises even if the user removes a selection he initially made).
>
> So it seems as if nothing my scripts do to Field ?A? is associated with its losing its identity; it is rather the fact that one or more lines have been selected in a different field (the list field ?B?).  Two more symptoms
> - clicking on a second locked field that operates in the same way also causes the problem; i.e., two clicks on one field or one each on two fields makes no difference.
> - Field A does not seem to lose its identity until the subgroup containing Field B is deleted.  If a wayward user repeatedly clicks on Field A and makes a selection in Field B without clicking OK or Cancel, the script as written will keep creating new subgroups with new Field B?s.  Only after the user has repeatedly clicked OK or Cancel to remove the duplicative series of subgroups will a click on Field A cause the problem.
>
> Thanks very much for any insights about this.
>
> David Epstein



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 09:14:39 2015
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 07:14:39 -0600
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <B67EF957-2007-481C-BBF0-8D0E7C875BEF@livecode.org>
References: <51431945-A3E2-41B2-AF31-3E03C5FA9AAA@livecode.org>
	<E73E33D7-95F7-408B-8438-365E3B3971C8@icloud.com>
	<B67EF957-2007-481C-BBF0-8D0E7C875BEF@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrLJ8-3QrFXkCKrf7ugzpYBJVgwMnBoPYYHwKjPBQ_QKw@mail.gmail.com>

Someone else pointed out that if you set up the name of the objects that
are allowed to hilite so that they're named similarly, you can filter out
anything you don't want to hilite

In the example I saw that someone did, they had added something like this..

if not (the short name of grc i contains "Oval") then next repeat
Put the line right after the beginning of the repeat loop.

Or name your segments "Pie 1" *Pie 2" etc, keep track of the number of
segments and then cycle through that way rather than all grc's in the list.

Or keep an array of created pie segments and their data and use that for
your check (as was done in the game academy)

If you remove the small loop I had that made sure to back up the default
color of a segment (since uColor is set up during your object creation)
 you can check for the existence of uColor in the grc and "next repeat" if
it doesn't exist, unless other grcs on your page have uColor of course.

There are lots of ways (that are all basically the same) to have it ignore
graphics that you want to ignore.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:06 AM, hh <hh at livecode.org> wrote:

>
> > On 29 Jul 2015, at 13:22, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at icloud.com> wrote:
>
> >> On 29 Jul 2015, at 10:32, hh <hh at livecode.org> wrote:
> >> There is one "uncertainty by default", the border, that is drawn with
> half of the lineSize outside the object. LC is also sloppy with the rect of
> objects with large lineSizes.
> >
> > Yes, this seems to be the sticking point with all methods, the function
> returns true if the point is within the rect.
>
> Sorry, you are wrong. My function returns false if it is not within the
> rect, as a first test. Then it does the additional checks.
>
> The handling of a point in the border can for example be tested if, for
> the check, the showBorder is temporarily set to false.
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From dfepstein at comcast.net  Wed Jul 29 09:19:42 2015
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (dfepstein at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:19:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Script-controlled export of animation from Livecode?
In-Reply-To: <1002521227.17103827.1438175781352.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <246106090.17107619.1438175982330.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Is there a way of scripting the export of?an animation constructed in Livecode to some standard video file format (avi, mp4, etc.)?Alternatively, is there a way of scripting the creation of a standalone Livecode file that contains the animation? 
? 
David Epstein 


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Jul 29 09:31:26 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:31:26 -0400
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
>
> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at the
> end, LIKE ?%:1?
>
> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR column
> LIKE ?%:1?
>
> HTH
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and wildcards,
> e.g.
> > in a LIKE statement?
> >
> > SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
> >
> > I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've tried
> > appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't work).
> >
> > I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Jul 29 09:45:57 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:45:57 -0400
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMz7Stv8dM1+xjiu1aYmk=yRzGCqAwWEbiRd9wxf28tNQ@mail.gmail.com>

If I was guessing, my hunch would be that including the single-quotes is
going to make the db look for strings containing %:1%, instead of using the
wildcards and the parameter.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
>>
>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at the
>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
>>
>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR column
>> LIKE ?%:1?
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Bob S
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and wildcards,
>> e.g.
>> > in a LIKE statement?
>> >
>> > SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
>> >
>> > I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've
>> tried
>> > appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't work).
>> >
>> > I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
>> > --
>> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >   and did a little diving.
>> > And God said, "This is good."
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From pystcat at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 10:18:36 2015
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:18:36 -0400
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMz7Stv8dM1+xjiu1aYmk=yRzGCqAwWEbiRd9wxf28tNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMz7Stv8dM1+xjiu1aYmk=yRzGCqAwWEbiRd9wxf28tNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50F94540-E276-4176-8E05-BBD79BF3169A@gmail.com>

Why not just use merge...?

Put "John" into tVal
Put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]])") into pSQL
OR
put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]]%)") into pSQL

I do this for all of my queries and it works fine.

Paul




> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> If I was guessing, my hunch would be that including the single-quotes is
> going to make the db look for strings containing %:1%, instead of using the
> wildcards and the parameter.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
>>> 
>>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at the
>>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
>>> 
>>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR column
>>> LIKE ?%:1?
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and wildcards,
>>> e.g.
>>>> in a LIKE statement?
>>>> 
>>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
>>>> 
>>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've
>>> tried
>>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't work).
>>>> 
>>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
>>>> --
>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>>  and did a little diving.
>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
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>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>   and did a little diving.
>> And God said, "This is good."
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 29 10:34:24 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:34:24 +0000
Subject: MySql lite DB name
In-Reply-To: <5CAFF636-2B97-408A-A1C5-02333B215648@pacifier.com>
References: <5CAFF636-2B97-408A-A1C5-02333B215648@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <BAC7EBC7-5EAB-43F4-B7AB-9EAECAE03596@iotecdigital.com>

Don?t you remember? ;-) Sorry I couldn?t help myself. 

Bob S


> On Jul 28, 2015, at 16:51 , JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
> 
> How do I get the name of the current
> open database in mySql lite?
> 
> John Balgenorth
> 


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Jul 29 10:35:01 2015
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:35:01 -0400
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <50F94540-E276-4176-8E05-BBD79BF3169A@gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMz7Stv8dM1+xjiu1aYmk=yRzGCqAwWEbiRd9wxf28tNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<50F94540-E276-4176-8E05-BBD79BF3169A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOcJQNYL_hZcBtmrpMQxcc5bfCF+b_5Fg+bqdGRFJNncQ@mail.gmail.com>

The reason for using parameterized queries instead of either merging or
appending is because of SQL injection.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not just use merge...?
>
> Put "John" into tVal
> Put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]])") into pSQL
> OR
> put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]]%)") into pSQL
>
> I do this for all of my queries and it works fine.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > If I was guessing, my hunch would be that including the single-quotes is
> > going to make the db look for strings containing %:1%, instead of using
> the
> > wildcards and the parameter.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <
> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
> >>>
> >>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at the
> >>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
> >>>
> >>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR column
> >>> LIKE ?%:1?
> >>>
> >>> HTH
> >>>
> >>> Bob S
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and wildcards,
> >>> e.g.
> >>>> in a LIKE statement?
> >>>>
> >>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
> >>>>
> >>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've
> >>> tried
> >>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't work).
> >>>>
> >>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
> >>>> --
> >>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>>  and did a little diving.
> >>>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>   and did a little diving.
> >> And God said, "This is good."
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From t.heaford at icloud.com  Wed Jul 29 10:54:29 2015
From: t.heaford at icloud.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 15:54:29 +0100
Subject: Drawing a Graphice Segment
In-Reply-To: <B67EF957-2007-481C-BBF0-8D0E7C875BEF@livecode.org>
References: <51431945-A3E2-41B2-AF31-3E03C5FA9AAA@livecode.org>
	<E73E33D7-95F7-408B-8438-365E3B3971C8@icloud.com>
	<B67EF957-2007-481C-BBF0-8D0E7C875BEF@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <B8AB1973-DAC6-4FD9-9977-40DD154D1AAA@icloud.com>


> On 29 Jul 2015, at 13:06, hh <hh at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, you are wrong. My function returns false

Apologies, I was incorrect. It does return false.

My issue was the pie segments are in a group that was not receiving mouseUp messages.

I placed a rectangle graphic to the size of the group behind the objects and it works as you said.


Thanks


Terry




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 29 10:56:52 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:56:52 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93821DE5-BDE9-4A00-B722-FBDB30E65123@iotecdigital.com>

If you copied and pasted it may be that the small quotes are not the right characters. I have used this query successfully myself so I may have mistyped something. 

Bob S


> On Jul 29, 2015, at 06:31 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
>> 
>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at the
>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
>> 
>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR column
>> LIKE ?%:1?
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and wildcards,
>> e.g.
>>> in a LIKE statement?
>>> 
>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
>>> 
>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've tried
>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't work).
>>> 
>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From pystcat at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 11:28:41 2015
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:28:41 -0400
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOcJQNYL_hZcBtmrpMQxcc5bfCF+b_5Fg+bqdGRFJNncQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMz7Stv8dM1+xjiu1aYmk=yRzGCqAwWEbiRd9wxf28tNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<50F94540-E276-4176-8E05-BBD79BF3169A@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOcJQNYL_hZcBtmrpMQxcc5bfCF+b_5Fg+bqdGRFJNncQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C4D9063-C87A-4D04-B54C-6223DC996B2F@gmail.com>

Not a problem... Scrub the variable before the merge... It's what I do as well.  I have a function that takes the input and scrubs it... I'm away for another week but if you're interested, when I get back I can post the handler.



> On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> The reason for using parameterized queries instead of either merging or
> appending is because of SQL injection.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why not just use merge...?
>> 
>> Put "John" into tVal
>> Put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]])") into pSQL
>> OR
>> put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]]%)") into pSQL
>> 
>> I do this for all of my queries and it works fine.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I was guessing, my hunch would be that including the single-quotes is
>>> going to make the db look for strings containing %:1%, instead of using
>> the
>>> wildcards and the parameter.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <
>> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at the
>>>>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR column
>>>>> LIKE ?%:1?
>>>>> 
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob S
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and wildcards,
>>>>> e.g.
>>>>>> in a LIKE statement?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've
>>>>> tried
>>>>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't work).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>>  and did a little diving.
>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 29 12:16:20 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:16:20 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNBAerxpOFEOpUXy+FfJUX6eQPhd3Bq2En1aOsVJaZc3Q@mail.gmail.com>

If you are specifying a literal value with LIKE, then you need the single
quotes or you will get an error.  If you are using a parameter variable
containing the literal, then no single quotes needed.  Including the :1 in
quotes makes the query look for a string containing :1, not the contents of
the variable referred to by :1.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:33 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
> >
> > If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at the
> > end, LIKE ?%:1?
> >
> > If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR column
> > LIKE ?%:1?
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and wildcards,
> > e.g.
> > > in a LIKE statement?
> > >
> > > SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
> > >
> > > I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've
> tried
> > > appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't work).
> > >
> > > I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
> > > --
> > > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >   and did a little diving.
> > > And God said, "This is good."
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 29 12:18:27 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:18:27 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <5C4D9063-C87A-4D04-B54C-6223DC996B2F@gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMz7Stv8dM1+xjiu1aYmk=yRzGCqAwWEbiRd9wxf28tNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<50F94540-E276-4176-8E05-BBD79BF3169A@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOcJQNYL_hZcBtmrpMQxcc5bfCF+b_5Fg+bqdGRFJNncQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C4D9063-C87A-4D04-B54C-6223DC996B2F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePZg4P7TLKMz-b+Yy2f+6qjiu0BWitrXRCyShxZAQ7-Sg@mail.gmail.com>

But why bother?  You're already putting the value into a variable so all
that's required is use :1 and append the variable name to the revxxx call.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:29 AM PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not a problem... Scrub the variable before the merge... It's what I do as
> well.  I have a function that takes the input and scrubs it... I'm away for
> another week but if you're interested, when I get back I can post the
> handler.
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The reason for using parameterized queries instead of either merging or
> > appending is because of SQL injection.
> >
> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Why not just use merge...?
> >>
> >> Put "John" into tVal
> >> Put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]])") into pSQL
> >> OR
> >> put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]]%)") into pSQL
> >>
> >> I do this for all of my queries and it works fine.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If I was guessing, my hunch would be that including the single-quotes
> is
> >>> going to make the db look for strings containing %:1%, instead of using
> >> the
> >>> wildcards and the parameter.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Mike Kerner <
> MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <
> >> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at
> the
> >>>>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR
> column
> >>>>> LIKE ?%:1?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HTH
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bob S
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and
> wildcards,
> >>>>> e.g.
> >>>>>> in a LIKE statement?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've
> >>>>> tried
> >>>>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't
> work).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>>>> and did a little diving.
> >>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>>  and did a little diving.
> >>>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>  and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Jul 29 12:20:11 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:20:11 +0000
Subject: Indy License upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePaZLP46U8i-yXjaaxovNy_snyP98m+zHRdM4PWau35pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePaZLP46U8i-yXjaaxovNy_snyP98m+zHRdM4PWau35pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNaKUxWZ_jMk_GAhPyuOwR=ZqF_UP661zyEaDvJV89AOA@mail.gmail.com>

So almost a week gone by and no response from Heather.  I guess I got a
perpetual license and an extra seat in exchange for my $499.  Good deal.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:00 PM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I've emailed Heather about the issues in this post, just posting them here
> for others to watch out for.
>
> I renewed my Indy license today under $499 deal.  The final screen I got
> after paying showed the next renewal date as 7/23/2016, as did the
> confirmation email I got.
>
> Before the renewal, my Indy license expiration date was 10/18/2016.  After
> the renewal, the date stayed the same but a new license described as
> perpetual turned up in may account.
>
> On the Seats tab of my account, I now have 2 seats listed, both under my
> name.
>
> It's entirely possible I did something wrong but all I did was click on
> the link in Kevin's latest email and go from there.
>
> I'm sure Heather will correct all this but be sure to check out your
> account settings after renewing.
>
>
>


From pystcat at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 13:02:12 2015
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:02:12 -0400
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePZg4P7TLKMz-b+Yy2f+6qjiu0BWitrXRCyShxZAQ7-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMz7Stv8dM1+xjiu1aYmk=yRzGCqAwWEbiRd9wxf28tNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<50F94540-E276-4176-8E05-BBD79BF3169A@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycOcJQNYL_hZcBtmrpMQxcc5bfCF+b_5Fg+bqdGRFJNncQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5C4D9063-C87A-4D04-B54C-6223DC996B2F@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePZg4P7TLKMz-b+Yy2f+6qjiu0BWitrXRCyShxZAQ7-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FD1250F4-C105-4099-B102-99C6C283C8E0@gmail.com>

When I get that value from the user it is scrubbed and then put into the SQL with the merge.




> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> But why bother?  You're already putting the value into a variable so all
> that's required is use :1 and append the variable name to the revxxx call.
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:29 AM PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Not a problem... Scrub the variable before the merge... It's what I do as
>> well.  I have a function that takes the input and scrubs it... I'm away for
>> another week but if you're interested, when I get back I can post the
>> handler.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The reason for using parameterized queries instead of either merging or
>>> appending is because of SQL injection.
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Why not just use merge...?
>>>> 
>>>> Put "John" into tVal
>>>> Put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]])") into pSQL
>>>> OR
>>>> put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]]%)") into pSQL
>>>> 
>>>> I do this for all of my queries and it works fine.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I was guessing, my hunch would be that including the single-quotes
>> is
>>>>> going to make the db look for strings containing %:1%, instead of using
>>>> the
>>>>> wildcards and the parameter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Mike Kerner <
>> MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <
>>>> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at
>> the
>>>>>>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR
>> column
>>>>>>> LIKE ?%:1?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and
>> wildcards,
>>>>>>> e.g.
>>>>>>>> in a LIKE statement?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've
>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't
>> work).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>>>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>>>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>  and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From sritcp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 13:29:54 2015
From: sritcp at gmail.com (Sri)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:29:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Indy License upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNaKUxWZ_jMk_GAhPyuOwR=ZqF_UP661zyEaDvJV89AOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePaZLP46U8i-yXjaaxovNy_snyP98m+zHRdM4PWau35pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNaKUxWZ_jMk_GAhPyuOwR=ZqF_UP661zyEaDvJV89AOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438190994847-4694468.post@n4.nabble.com>

Peter:

Heather must have missed your email.
Same situation, I wrote to support and they have combined the licenses and
extended the renewal date under the new, "price lock-down" license.
You may want to contact them again.

Regards,
Sri.



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From gagsoft at iafrica.com  Wed Jul 29 13:43:56 2015
From: gagsoft at iafrica.com (Peter Gagiano)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:43:56 +0200
Subject: Indy License upgrade
In-Reply-To: <1438190994847-4694468.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePaZLP46U8i-yXjaaxovNy_snyP98m+zHRdM4PWau35pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNaKUxWZ_jMk_GAhPyuOwR=ZqF_UP661zyEaDvJV89AOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438190994847-4694468.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9AAF44C6-61E7-4663-B929-1CD3376E91FC@iafrica.com>

Hi Sri
Heather sorted this out as far as I can remember.
She added 2 years to my existing subscription as Follows:
LiveCode Indy - Price Lock

Subscription ID	14579206
Total	$299 Yearly
Next Payment Date	29th Jul 2018
My previous subscription would have expired in 2016

Thank you kindly for this email
Much appreciated
Best regards
Peter


> On 29 Jul 2015, at 7:29 PM, Sri <sritcp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter:
> 
> Heather must have missed your email.
> Same situation, I wrote to support and they have combined the licenses and
> extended the renewal date under the new, "price lock-down" license.
> You may want to contact them again.
> 
> Regards,
> Sri.
> 
> 
> 
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From gagsoft at iafrica.com  Wed Jul 29 13:55:46 2015
From: gagsoft at iafrica.com (Peter Gagiano)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:55:46 +0200
Subject: Indy License upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNaKUxWZ_jMk_GAhPyuOwR=ZqF_UP661zyEaDvJV89AOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePaZLP46U8i-yXjaaxovNy_snyP98m+zHRdM4PWau35pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNaKUxWZ_jMk_GAhPyuOwR=ZqF_UP661zyEaDvJV89AOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53E88D9F-0DE7-4BB5-B633-8F5AE6A43A21@iafrica.com>

Hi Peter 
My apologies.
I responded to an email from Shri regarding your Indy subscription.
The issue that I had was similar to yours but got sorted within two days.
My apologies again and I hope issue get?s sorted out quickly.

Best regards
Peter Gagiano


> On 29 Jul 2015, at 6:20 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> So almost a week gone by and no response from Heather.  I guess I got a
> perpetual license and an extra seat in exchange for my $499.  Good deal.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:00 PM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've emailed Heather about the issues in this post, just posting them here
>> for others to watch out for.
>> 
>> I renewed my Indy license today under $499 deal.  The final screen I got
>> after paying showed the next renewal date as 7/23/2016, as did the
>> confirmation email I got.
>> 
>> Before the renewal, my Indy license expiration date was 10/18/2016.  After
>> the renewal, the date stayed the same but a new license described as
>> perpetual turned up in may account.
>> 
>> On the Seats tab of my account, I now have 2 seats listed, both under my
>> name.
>> 
>> It's entirely possible I did something wrong but all I did was click on
>> the link in Kevin's latest email and go from there.
>> 
>> I'm sure Heather will correct all this but be sure to check out your
>> account settings after renewing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Jul 29 14:47:01 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:47:01 -0500
Subject: Field loses its identity as a target
In-Reply-To: <1879546666.16695696.1438116702945.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <E83142B5-CDC1-4FE4-A487-400053B0BFCB@comcast.net>
	<1879546666.16695696.1438116702945.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <55B91FA5.60500@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/28/2015 3:51 PM, dfepstein at comcast.net wrote:
> I have encountered a bizarre problem that occurs in a somewhat
> complicated context.  I wonder if anyone has experienced anything
> similar. In short:  when I click a locked field on one occasion ?the
> long id of the target? returns the expected result; but when I click
> on it subsequently ?the long id of the target? returns the long id of
> the card instead.

I'm not sure if it's related but something similar happened to me as 
well just recently. It turns out the target had been disabled, so clicks 
were passing through. Does your script disable anything?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From david at viral.academy  Wed Jul 29 14:53:10 2015
From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:53:10 +0100
Subject: Script-controlled export of animation from Livecode?
In-Reply-To: <246106090.17107619.1438175982330.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <1002521227.17103827.1438175781352.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<246106090.17107619.1438175982330.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAGASioM0sOCPFGNEbDnMa6xOF_-9bYNsKLhJ44p6CQRcgpG16w@mail.gmail.com>

Yes you can - not sure it is the best tool, but one way is to script
something and export each frame or card as a numbered image, and then use
imagemagick or even iMovie I beleive to create a video file or animated gif.

On 29 July 2015 at 14:19, <dfepstein at comcast.net> wrote:

> Is there a way of scripting the export of an animation constructed in
> Livecode to some standard video file format (avi, mp4, etc.)?Alternatively,
> is there a way of scripting the creation of a standalone Livecode file that
> contains the animation?
>
> David Epstein
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From heather at livecode.com  Wed Jul 29 14:58:57 2015
From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:58:57 +0100
Subject: Indy License upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNaKUxWZ_jMk_GAhPyuOwR=ZqF_UP661zyEaDvJV89AOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePaZLP46U8i-yXjaaxovNy_snyP98m+zHRdM4PWau35pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNaKUxWZ_jMk_GAhPyuOwR=ZqF_UP661zyEaDvJV89AOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6DF6D75E-A916-495B-9A16-DCC6DB4BC8A2@livecode.com>

Peter - I'm sorry for the delay. I will get to it. Your license will get merged/extended. At present I have a huge mound of email to get through, I am progressing and it will all get done, I just ask for your patience while I work through it.

Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
LiveCode Ltd
www.livecode.com



> On 29 Jul 2015, at 17:20, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> So almost a week gone by and no response from Heather.  I guess I got a
> perpetual license and an extra seat in exchange for my $499.  Good deal.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:00 PM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've emailed Heather about the issues in this post, just posting them here
>> for others to watch out for.
>> 
>> I renewed my Indy license today under $499 deal.  The final screen I got
>> after paying showed the next renewal date as 7/23/2016, as did the
>> confirmation email I got.
>> 
>> Before the renewal, my Indy license expiration date was 10/18/2016.  After
>> the renewal, the date stayed the same but a new license described as
>> perpetual turned up in may account.
>> 
>> On the Seats tab of my account, I now have 2 seats listed, both under my
>> name.
>> 
>> It's entirely possible I did something wrong but all I did was click on
>> the link in Kevin's latest email and go from there.
>> 
>> I'm sure Heather will correct all this but be sure to check out your
>> account settings after renewing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From sundown at pacifier.com  Wed Jul 29 15:06:55 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:06:55 -0700
Subject: MySql lite DB name
In-Reply-To: <BAC7EBC7-5EAB-43F4-B7AB-9EAECAE03596@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5CAFF636-2B97-408A-A1C5-02333B215648@pacifier.com>
	<BAC7EBC7-5EAB-43F4-B7AB-9EAECAE03596@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <95EACE95-2C5A-49A5-A57D-FE4B3E598DF2@pacifier.com>

You would be amazed at how much
stuff I forget.  Sometimes that works
a lot better.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 29, 2015, at 7:34 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> Don?t you remember? ;-) Sorry I couldn?t help myself. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 16:51 , JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How do I get the name of the current
>> open database in mySql lite?
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
>> 
> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Jul 29 16:43:29 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:43:29 -0600
Subject: Script-controlled export of animation from Livecode?
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioM0sOCPFGNEbDnMa6xOF_-9bYNsKLhJ44p6CQRcgpG16w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1002521227.17103827.1438175781352.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<246106090.17107619.1438175982330.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<CAGASioM0sOCPFGNEbDnMa6xOF_-9bYNsKLhJ44p6CQRcgpG16w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8985FE-D7A2-40CA-8735-7F9895C184B7@earthednet.org>

I think you are wanting to play the animation and end up with a mp4 movie, I think you need one of Monte's externals for this. On the other hand, if you only want to generate the movie in the dev environment, you could play it in livecode and use a screen capture program to capture the video. 
Good luck,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:53 PM, David Bovill <david at viral.academy> wrote:
> 
> Yes you can - not sure it is the best tool, but one way is to script
> something and export each frame or card as a numbered image, and then use
> imagemagick or even iMovie I beleive to create a video file or animated gif.
> 
>> On 29 July 2015 at 14:19, <dfepstein at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a way of scripting the export of an animation constructed in
>> Livecode to some standard video file format (avi, mp4, etc.)?Alternatively,
>> is there a way of scripting the creation of a standalone Livecode file that
>> contains the animation?
>> 
>> David Epstein
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 29 17:35:12 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 21:35:12 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNBAerxpOFEOpUXy+FfJUX6eQPhd3Bq2En1aOsVJaZc3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNBAerxpOFEOpUXy+FfJUX6eQPhd3Bq2En1aOsVJaZc3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <337C6992-4077-469B-8D6D-91DC4A8A4166@iotecdigital.com>

How odd. I am thinking now, that because I am passing these query arguements to sqlYoga it is doing the macro replacement instead of SQL. Now that I think of it, I have never used this  in a direct SQL query. I am not even sure how to construct it. Is this a web server convention? I cannot see how you would inject the values in a direct query. 

Bob S


> On Jul 29, 2015, at 09:16 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> If you are specifying a literal value with LIKE, then you need the single
> quotes or you will get an error.  If you are using a parameter variable
> containing the literal, then no single quotes needed.  Including the :1 in
> quotes makes the query look for a string containing :1, not the contents of
> the variable referred to by :1.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:33 AM Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
>>> 
>>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at the
>>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
>>> 
>>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR column
>>> LIKE ?%:1?
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> Bob S
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and wildcards,
>>> e.g.
>>>> in a LIKE statement?
>>>> 
>>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
>>>> 
>>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and I've
>> tried
>>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't work).
>>>> 
>>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
>>>> --
>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>>  and did a little diving.
>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>   and did a little diving.
>> And God said, "This is good."
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From dfepstein at comcast.net  Sun Jul 26 15:51:41 2015
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 15:51:41 -0400
Subject: Field loses its identity as a target
Message-ID: <E83142B5-CDC1-4FE4-A487-400053B0BFCB@comcast.net>

I have encountered a bizarre problem that occurs in a somewhat complicated context.  I wonder if anyone has experienced anything similar.

In short:  when I click a locked field on one occasion ?the long id of the target? returns the expected result; but when I click on it subsequently ?the long id of the target? returns the long id of the card instead.

Details:
To allow the user to edit certain properties of a card, I copy a ?dropPanel? group to that card, allowing the user the adjust various controls on that group whose settings I use to adjust the appropriate properties of the card.  I want the ?dropPanel? to disappear if the user clicks outside of it, so I insert a frontScript that, on mousedown, checks whether the targeted object is part of the dropPanel group.

This has worked well for a long time, but I now encounter this problem.  Several of the controls in one of my dropPanels are locked fields (call one of these ?A?).  The first time one is clicked on, it operates as expected.  But on subsequent clicks my dropPanel gets deleted.  When I debug my frontScript, I see that on the first occasion the long id of the target is recognized as ?field id x of group id y of? etc.??and my script confirms that this control is indeed part of the dropPanel group and so clicking it should not delete that group.  On subsequent clicks, however, that same target is interpreted as ?card id x? etc.?, which of course is not a member of the group, and this causes my group to be deleted.

Why does my field ?A? lose its identity between these two clicks?  When working properly, the click on the locked field causes a different group to be created adjacent to it, allowing the user to select one or more things from a list field (?B?), and then click a Cancel or OK button.  (This subgroup does not have the auto-close feature).  The OK button of that subgroup sets a custom property of and sets the text of field ?A??neither of which seems like it should cause that main field no longer to be recognized as a target.  And the Cancel button does nothing at all to the main field.  OK and Cancel both delete the subgroup that includes them and Field ?B?.

Testing various combinations of events, I learned that the problem arises whenever the user selects something in the list field ?B??regardless of whether he clicks OK or Cancel?but there is no problem if he never makes a selection in that list field ?B??again, regardless of whether he clicks OK or Cancel.  (And if toggleHilites is true for field ?B? the problem arises even if the user removes a selection he initially made).

So it seems as if nothing my scripts do to Field ?A? is associated with its losing its identity; it is rather the fact that one or more lines have been selected in a different field (the list field ?B?).  Two more symptoms
- clicking on a second locked field that operates in the same way also causes the problem; i.e., two clicks on one field or one each on two fields makes no difference.
- Field A does not seem to lose its identity until the subgroup containing Field B is deleted.  If a wayward user repeatedly clicks on Field A and makes a selection in Field B without clicking OK or Cancel, the script as written will keep creating new subgroups with new Field B?s.  Only after the user has repeatedly clicked OK or Cancel to remove the duplicative series of subgroups will a click on Field A cause the problem.

Thanks very much for any insights about this.

David Epstein


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 29 18:06:34 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:06:34 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <337C6992-4077-469B-8D6D-91DC4A8A4166@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNBAerxpOFEOpUXy+FfJUX6eQPhd3Bq2En1aOsVJaZc3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<337C6992-4077-469B-8D6D-91DC4A8A4166@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BF45FAF9-6EAA-4717-AB0B-52BDAB2AC009@iotecdigital.com>

Okay I see my confusion. I can use a statement like:

select * from customers where customername LIKE '%int%?

This works. It seems however that when using parameter substitution it does not. In sqlYoga I can use: 

put sqlquery_createObject(?customers?) into qCustomerObject
put ?customer name LIKE ?%:1%?? into tConditions
put ?int? into aBindings [1]
sqlquery_set qCustomerObject, ?conditions?, tConditions
sqlquery_set qCustomerObject, ?condition bindings?, aBindings
sqlquery_retrieveAsArray qCustomerObject, aCustomerData

This also works. I should also mention that my mail program *DOES* substitute plain quotes for smart ones. I am disabling that ?feature? now. 

Bob S



> On Jul 29, 2015, at 14:35 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> How odd. I am thinking now, that because I am passing these query arguements to sqlYoga it is doing the macro replacement instead of SQL. Now that I think of it, I have never used this  in a direct SQL query. I am not even sure how to construct it. Is this a web server convention? I cannot see how you would inject the values in a direct query. 
> 
> Bob S


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Jul 29 18:09:03 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:09:03 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <BF45FAF9-6EAA-4717-AB0B-52BDAB2AC009@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4970F19F-5FB5-487E-873C-8967C75BBE7B@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycOKsOs2aqrNAKGpuz0ZMe_i7s_gUM3jTB94EgdJBfo7=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNBAerxpOFEOpUXy+FfJUX6eQPhd3Bq2En1aOsVJaZc3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<337C6992-4077-469B-8D6D-91DC4A8A4166@iotecdigital.com>
	<BF45FAF9-6EAA-4717-AB0B-52BDAB2AC009@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <E5BAE7E5-7991-4D0B-8769-561C27D8533F@iotecdigital.com>

Turns out it is done in the system settings under keyboard in case anyone else needs to do the same.

Bob S


On Jul 29, 2015, at 15:06 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

I should also mention that my mail program *DOES* substitute plain quotes for smart ones. I am disabling that ?feature? now.


From dfepstein at comcast.net  Wed Jul 29 20:02:53 2015
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 20:02:53 -0400
Subject: Script-controlled export of animation from Livecode?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8207.1438186592.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.8207.1438186592.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6123BA88-305D-4E46-BA39-4C278CD9C667@comcast.net>

Thanks for the suggestions on this.  If I understand them correctly, they seem to require using some tools outside of LiveCode.  Can any of those tools be controlled by a LiveCode script?  What I want to do is write a script so that a user clicking my button will create some kind of video file from the action that my script is displaying in a LiveCode stack.

David Epstein


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 20:52:16 2015
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:52:16 +0800
Subject: Livecode and UTF8
In-Reply-To: <55B7CA27.4070202@smknight.co.uk>
References: <55B7CA27.4070202@smknight.co.uk>
Message-ID: <783B3D6E-38BE-4FC9-B10B-DD345924B7E3@gmail.com>

Simon

I did not reply sooner as I?m not such an experienced LiveCoder. Also, I am concentrating on learning LiveCode versions from 7 onwards. Handling Unicode is much, much easier in those versions. 

In the code you posted here, you appear to have used uniDecode where you needed to use uniEncode.

I ran this in the message box in LiveCode 8:

put numToChar(226) into tString -- E2 hex
put numToChar(128) after tString -- 80 hex
put numToChar(156) after tString -- 9C hex
put  unicode uniEncode(tString, "UTF8?)

It successfully displayed this:

?

I am not familiar with using Unicode in the older versions but noticed that you typed ?useUniCode? instead of ?useUnicode? in the code example in your message.

I hope this helps to get you started.

Peter


> On 29 Jul 2015, at 02:29, Simon Knight <simon at smknight.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have an app that works with old fashioned text i.e. characters with a code value of less than 128.  Recently I enabled cut and paste and the app gets confused it text is pasted in with character values > 127.  I have done the obvious and an filtering out all characters with an Ascii value of >127 but in the longer term I want to convert a few high bit characters to a low bit versions e.g. smart quotes to dumb quotes.
> 
> Some of the text that gets pasted from my email client is in UTF8. I have done some web research and now know a little about UTF8.  I have written a routine that captures any UTF8 code patterns and passes the UTF string to a routine for conversion.
> 
> A UTF8 string may be between one and four bytes long and every byte has a value greater than 127.  I wish to extract the UTF character value and use the value to do the conversion.  My question is: does livecode have any method of converting  a UTF8 character string to either a UTF16 string or to the numeric value of the character which I believe is the same if leading zeros are ignored?  For instance a smart open quote appears in my data as a series of three bytes : [E2-hex,80-hex,9C-hex] the numeric value of the character is encoded within the bits of the three bytes and will take some bit shifting to extract : the UTF8 string decodes to 201C-hex or 8220 base 10.
> 
> At present I am working with Livecode 6.7 and have read about and tried the uniEncode and uniDecode functions.  The description of these functions does not make any sense to me as they seem to be about adding or removing every other byte which can't work with UTF8.
> 
> I have tried various versions of the following button code attempting to get a result of 8220 base 10:
> 
> on mouseUp
>     put numToChar(226) into tString -- E2 hex
>     put numToChar(128) after tString -- 80 hex
>     put numToChar(156) after tString -- 9C hex
> 
>     Set the UseUniCode to true
> 
>     put "source string :" &  tstring
> 
>     put uniDecode(tString,"UTF8") into tResult
> 
>     put CharToNum(tResult) into tNumberResult  -- seeking value 8220 in base 10
> 
> end mouseUp
> 
> So do I have to knuckle down and start bit shifting?
> 
> thanks for reading
> Simon
> 
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?
LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK
Unicode: U+201C, UTF-8: E2 80 9C

?
LATIN SMALL LETTER F WITH HOOK
Unicode: U+0192, UTF-8: C6 92



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 20:55:23 2015
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:55:23 +0800
Subject: Thousands Separators
In-Reply-To: <55B78AB1.8010105@fourthworld.com>
References: <0F53A3D0-04F7-485B-92E0-F317E8E455DB@gmail.com>
	<55B78AB1.8010105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kj2wNfbjr8o-4n71cukczZ3cuzJ3G+xUSs86rs+-zK8cQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> But stepping back to look at the big picture, I find myself wondering:
>
> Why is that even necessary?
>
> Why isn't that just a field property, e.g. "the displayFormat"?
>
> But stepping back further, why would you want it only restricted to a
field property? What about if I wanted numbers automatically displayed in
the correct format that came as part of text in an Answer Dialog, or the
default answer in an Ask Dialog, or even in the Title of one of these or
the dynamic label of a button, i.e. Option Menu?

Maybe this is connected with the recent response Mark W gave to the HTML
<H5> tag bug which has been reclassified as an 'enhancement' request where
he responded:

The solution in both cases is not to change the current mappings, but
> instead to (at some point) make the mappings configurable at runtime. Of
> course, the rub here is that this causes a global interoperability problem
> which is not (at this time) clear how to resolve. i.e. In the IDE you could
> be editing two 'applications' at once both of which want different
> settings. (Note that keying this at the stack level isn't necessarily
> correct as stacks can be used as libraries in different contexts - there
> needs to be some notion of 'project scope' which would arbitrate what
> mappings were used when).
>

As I said in my response; "in my naivety this sounds like some kind of LC
CSS is needed."

Wouldn't it be nice, in one central location to nominate formats, not just
number, and be able to English like name them for use anywhere (hopefully
LC would come with a bunch of inbuilt ones).

set the CSSformat $#,###.00 = "currency"
set the CSSformat #,### = "wholeThousands"
set the CSSformat (###) ####-#### = "AreaPhone"
(possibly grep based)
set the CSSformat \d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2} \d{2}:\d{2}\d{2} = "SQLDateTime"
set the CSSformat \d{2} \w{3} \d{2} = "dd mmm yyDate"
set the CSSformat \w+ at gmail.com = "gmailEmail"

A stack could then be set to 'wholeThousands'

use CSSformat "wholeThousands" for this stack

and then every number, whether field, title or text in an Answer Dialog
would come up with a thousand separator. If a particular field needed a
different format, as you say you'd just set it's format property to: use
CSSFormat  "currency" for fld "price" to override the default.

It would also be nice to be able to tick a box for a field property that
automatically invoked data format checking or be able to specify it
elsewhere.

--number format assumed to be "currency" because that is the stacks default
ask question "How much did you spend?" with tValue titled "Lunch
Expediture" AND formatCheck 1

--number format different to stack default
ask question "Which day was the purchase" with tDate useCSSformat "dd mmm
yyDate" titled "Lunch Expenditure" AND formatCheck 2

In the LC CSS you'd specify the response for a 1, 2, 3... etc formatCheck
failure.

Sitting here dreaming of LC heaven :-)


From bruceap at comcast.net  Sun Jul 26 20:43:22 2015
From: bruceap at comcast.net (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:43:22 -0400
Subject: recursionlimit mystery!
In-Reply-To: <55A55BB7.9030407@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <6818BE63-A66C-4686-B40A-C5465637D73D@comcast.net>
	<55A1196F.9050301@fourthworld.com>
	<B1DAA1D1-5860-4454-85F4-BB8E1346816D@comcast.net>
	<C671401F-D149-4796-A54C-5F171DFF44F3@comcast.net>
	<55A55BB7.9030407@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B614036D-D1FF-4715-828F-4C0306F2A8A1@comcast.net>

Update: this is bug report 15602. The response from the Livecode folks is that 7.0.x is using 16-bit numbers for the recursionlimit property, so Jacque hit the nail on the head. However, in 6.x.x they were using 32-bit numbers, so my setting a very high recursion limit actually did have an effect. They confirm that this is a bug. No promise on the timing of a fix, though.

> On Jul 14, 2015, at 2:57 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/13/2015 9:23 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:
>> The first time I opened the stack in 7.0.6 that had been developed
>> under 6.0.2 I received an error message related to the ?openstack?
>> command in the stack script. It said that the value to which I had
>> set the recursionlimit property ?is not a number.? The value I used
>> was 20000000. Looks like a number to me! (I am on a Mac, so the
>> Windows issue does not effect me). I tried various numbers until I
>> finally narrowed it down. Attempting to set the recursionlimit
>> property to any number greater than 65535 gives me an error that that
>> value is not a number. Also, setting the recursionlimit to a low
>> number like 40 does not work as expected. After setting the
>> recursionlimit property to 40 I typed ?put the recursionlimit? into
>> the message box and hit ?return.? The number that it returned was in
>> the high 30-thousands!
> 
> 
> I'm not sure about the 30,000 issue, but 65535 is the upper limit for a 16-bit number. It may be that earlier versions of LC just didn't throw any errors if you exceeded that.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/65535_(number)>
> "65535 occurs frequently in the field of computing because it is the highest number which can be represented by an unsigned 16-bit binary number. Some computer programming environments may have predefined constant values representing 65535, with names like MAX_UNSIGNED_SHORT."
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From dfepstein at comcast.net  Wed Jul 29 22:52:57 2015
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:52:57 -0400
Subject: Field loses its identity as a target
Message-ID: <CF9E8C95-1C6F-47CF-B51C-978BEC32B8F2@comcast.net>

Sorry, I see my long question appeared twice; my eMail reported it undelivered, so I tried again.

Thanks to Richard for his sound advice, and Jacqueline for the promising theory?promising because I have noticed that disabling locked fields with visible, non-3D borders does not make their borders gray, so that their enabled status is not clear if they contain no text.

But disabling does not seem to be the source of my problem, as I have inserted into my script, just before the point of failure, tests both for the existence and the enabled of the field whose identity has been lost.

I think it will be easier to circumvent this problem than to figure it out, but I will report back if I narrow it down.  

David Epstein


From brahma at hindu.org  Wed Jul 29 22:57:37 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:57:37 -1000
Subject: Parsing and Extracting Text from ePub XHTML
In-Reply-To: <AFF832EA-469B-4A96-A603-7DDF28A50E57@thehales.id.au>
References: <AFF832EA-469B-4A96-A603-7DDF28A50E57@thehales.id.au>
Message-ID: <55B992A1.8020503@hindu.org>

Aloha, James:

great. thanks for this... seems we are each re-inventing the wheel here.

Your code is useful though.

I see you are still having to deal with the pesky "&mdash;" But only in 
your TOC xml processing routines.

What I don't understand  (which makes it hard to make good strategic 
decisions moving forward)

Is that these ePub companies (Atritex in Chennai for us)  to taking text 
from books  (inDesign) and then output strings that are ( to my eyes) 
mixed. Take for example this file from the front matter of a book.. (see 
below)

If I take this raw text and push to a field using the code suggested by Mark

      put uniDecode(uniEncode(x,"UTF8")) into x
      set the htmlText of fld 2 to x

and *if* I'm very sure to set the field to a font like Arial Unicode MS 
or Helvetica Neue... it works "brilliantly" and I can even cut and paste 
to email or Indesign or pages or MSWord and all characters are rendered. 
"Wunderbar! Marvelous!"

But it make me nervous when I look at the raw code because we see 
unicode characters output as decimal entities

Tamil Letter U
HTML Entity (decimal) 	&#2953;

UTF-16 (hex) 	0x0B89 (0b89)



(Line 1 here) &#2953;   Unicode expressed as a decimal entity. We don't 
see the script  here...

(Line 4 here) ????????   # which is obviously "pure" unicode for Tamil 
language I don't know what encoding it is.. because I see the actual 
script... in the raw text..

mixed with curly quotes and mdashes  which I assume are ANSI 
characters... because if open the file in BBEdit those characters are 
not encoded... they just appear as ' and ---

So we seem to have three different encodings.

I paste here a rendering from below  which I copied out of my LC 
field... to Indesign.. then from Indesign to this email:

I wonder if you are seeing the unicode Tamil,  all the diacritical marks 
and the mDash and curly quote... ?

Or do you see garbage when you open this post?

-------
????????
The thirty-six elements dance. Sada-s'iva dances. Consciousness dances. 
S'iva-S'akti dances. The animate and inanimate dance. All these and the 
Vedas dance when the Supreme dances His dance of bliss. The seven worlds 
as His golden abode, the five chakras as His pedestal, the central 
kun.d.alini- s'akti as His divine stage, thus in rapture He dances, He 
who is Transcendent Light. He dances with the celestials. He dances in 
the golden hall. He dances with the three Gods. He dances with the 
assembly of silent sages. He dances in song. He dances in ultimate 
energy. He dances in souls---He who is the Lord of Dances. Tat Astu.
-----------

everything appears to work.  which is amazing...and means LC 7 is a huge 
step forward for us.

If this really will hold all the way thru a JSON encoded POST to MySQL 
and back out again to desktop client or mobile app without anything 
breaking.

We *can* dumb this all down to 0-127 (I used to do that years ago and 
have a whole stack dedicated to stripping all diacriticals, replacing 
ANSI chars etc according to our spelling/lexicon conventions... )

But if LC 7 can actually provide us a way to display all everything, and 
I can actually put this on a web page also... it will be a quantum leap 
forward for us.

Here is what is in the ePub... Maybe I really shouldn't worry about the 
different encodings at all? and just assume this will retain "integrity" 
through all processes, assuming the rendering context is using a unicode 
font?

<h4 class="h4g"><samp><small>&#2953; </small></samp></h4>
<h3 class="h3d"><samp><span 
class="cmbold"><samp>Dedication</samp></span></samp></h3>
<h4 class="h4g"><samp><em>Samarpa&#7751;am</em></samp></h4>
<h4 class="h4gg"><samp>????????</samp></h4>
<p class="noindent"> <span class="smallcapr"><samp>GA&#7750;E&#x15a;A, 
THE LORD OF CATEGORIES, WHO REMOVED ALL BARRIERS TO THE MANIFESTATION OF 
THIS CONTEMPORARY HINDU CATECHISM, TO HIM WE OFFER OUR REVERENT 
OBEISANCE. THIS TEXT IS DEDICATED TO MY <span 
class="cmitalic"><samp>SATGURU, </samp></span>SAGE 
YOGASWAMI</samp></span> of Columbuthurai, Sri Lanka, perfect <span 
class="cmitalic"><samp>siddha yog&#299; </samp></span>and illumined 
master who knew the Unknowable and held Truth in the palm of his hand. 
As monarch of the Nandin&#x101;tha Samprad&#x101;ya's Kail&#x101;sa 
Parampar&#x101;, this obedient disciple of Satguru Chellappaswami 
infused in me all that you will find herein. Yogaswami commanded all to 
seek within, to know the Self and see God &#x15a;iva everywhere and in 
everyone. Among his great sayings: "Know thy Self by thyself. &#x15a;iva 
is doing it all. All is &#x15a;iva. Be still." Well over 2,000 years ago 
Rishi Tirumular, of our lineage, aptly conveyed the spirit of <span 
class="cmitalic"><samp>Dancing with &#x15a;iva:</samp></span></samp></p>
<p class="quote"><samp>The thirty-six elements dance. 
Sad&#x101;&#x15b;iva dances. Consciousness dances. 
&#x15a;iva-&#x15a;akti dances. The animate and inanimate dance. All 
these and the <span class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span> dance 
when the Supreme dances His dance of bliss. The seven worlds as His 
golden abode, the five chakras as His pedestal, the central <span 
class="cmitalic"><samp>ku&#x1e47;&#x1e0d;alin&#299; 
&#x15b;akti</samp></span> as His divine stage, thus in rapture He 
dances, He who is Transcendent Light. He dances with the celestials. He 
dances in the golden hall. He dances with the three Gods. He dances with 
the assembly of silent sages. He dances in song. He dances in ultimate 
energy. He dances in souls---He who is the Lord of Dances. Tat Astu. 
</samp></p>


-- 
Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com



James Hale wrote:
> Hi Brahmanathaswami,
>
> I wrote a sample stack that opens and displays pubs if that is of any use.
>
> You can find it here...
>
> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/761/Epub-Opener
>
> If it is of help, let me know:-)
>
> James


From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Jul 29 23:51:02 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 21:51:02 -0600
Subject: Script-controlled export of animation from Livecode?
In-Reply-To: <6123BA88-305D-4E46-BA39-4C278CD9C667@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.8207.1438186592.4337.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<6123BA88-305D-4E46-BA39-4C278CD9C667@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F3496413-DD9C-448B-9552-9D67C2841A8D@earthednet.org>

Check out
http://mergext.com/home/mergav/
However, I haven't used it, it works only for iOS and osx, and I'm not sure if it will capture screens for the video. It seems to be set up for images captured with the camera. But you could ask the author.

Good luck,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Jul 29, 2015, at 6:02 PM, David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions on this.  If I understand them correctly, they seem to require using some tools outside of LiveCode.  Can any of those tools be controlled by a LiveCode script?  What I want to do is write a script so that a user clicking my button will create some kind of video file from the action that my script is displaying in a LiveCode stack.
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From brahma at hindu.org  Thu Jul 30 00:06:21 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 18:06:21 -1000
Subject: Parsing and Extracting Text from ePub XHTML
In-Reply-To: <55B54714.7050102@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <55B53581.2040802@hindu.org> <55B54714.7050102@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <55B9A2BD.1020503@hindu.org>

pursuant to my last long winded email.

I've boiled it down to something very simple

The company doing our ePubs is mixing

1) unicode HTML dec entities for diacriticals in the IAST roman char range
2) Unicode UTF strings for Tamil and Devanagari script

and

3) old fashioned punctuation in the range of ISO-8859-1 
<http://www.alanwood.net/demos/charsetdiffs.html#a> 128-255. ( I think... )

1 and 2 above work fine, mixing #3 into the text blocks does, for 
mysterious reasons I cannot fathom (I wonder if it show correctly on 
Windows) show correctly in a browser.

http://dev.himalayanacademy.com/book/dancing-with-siva/7

the curly apostrophe in "Sampradaya's" and the mdash on the last line 
"souls?he who..." are rendered in the browser  I guess browser are built 
to properly render mixed unicode and ISO 8859-1 text in the same 
block...just guessing...


BUT! they turn into garbage if saved copied out of a LC field and pasted 
into a MySQL column/field meanwhile all the Unicode (both html entities 
and UTF strings) are rendered correctly and preserved across all 
"transport agents"  -- GET POST via an api.php then processed in stacks 
with LC JSON encoded array etc.  but not any character in the range of 
127-255...

dunno why, but at least we know what to do... not use any ANSI! Unicode 
all the way...


It's as simple as:

command getContent pBookPart
    put the uBookFilesLocation of this stack into tPath
    put url  ("file:" & tPath & "/ops/xhtml/" & pBookPart ) into tText

# Fix ANSI chars first
    replace "?" with "&#8212;" in tText
      replace "?" with "&#8217;" in tText

#unicode all the way!
      put uniDecode(uniEncode(tText,"UTF8")) into tText
       set the htmlText of fld "CurrentChapterText" to tText

end getContent

Now, the content in the field can be cut pasted and move to MySQL and 
the quote and mdashes all work... hurray...


Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com



Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Brahmanathaswami,
>
> This works on LC 6.7.3:
>
> on mouseUp
>      put fld 1 into x
>      if the platform is not "MacOS" then
>           // not sure why this works
>           put isoToMac(x) into x
>      end if
>      put uniDecode(uniEncode(x,"UTF8")) into x
>      set the htmlText of fld 2 to x
> end mouseUp
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
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> On 7/26/2015 21:31, Brahmanathaswami wrote:
>> We do a lot of work with the contents of ePubs. For those who don't know
>> the spec:
>>
>> "someBook.epub" is just "someBook.zip"
>>
>> which when inflated has a mini-portable web site based on responsive CSS
>> (all percentages). You get
>>
>> someBook
>> /ops # "Open Package Structure"
>> / fonts
>> / images
>> / styles
>> / xhtml
>> toc.ncx
>>
>> The xhtml folder then has all the these files:
>> ch09_05_b.html
>> ch09_05_c.html
>> ch09_06.html
>>
>> etc.
>>
>> The text is pretty advanced in the sense that it uses unicode... (I
>> think) for rendering diacritical fonts. mdash's etc.
>>
>> If I simply import the raw file unprocessed into a LC field (7.0.5)... I
>> get the usual, expected text:
>>
>> <h3 class="h3s"><samp>Is Monistic Theism Found in the <span
>> class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas?</samp></span></samp></h3>
>> <h4 class="h4"><samp><span class="smallcap"><samp>&#346;LOKA
>> 145</samp></span></samp></h4>
>> <p class="noindent"><samp><span class="cmbold"><samp>Again and again in
>> the <em>Vedas </em>and from <em>satgurus </em>we hear ???Aha&#7745;
>> Brahm&#x101;smi,??? ???I am God,??? and that God is both immanent and
>> transcendent. Taken together, these are clear statements of monistic
>> theism. Aum Nama&#x1e25; &#x15a;iv&#x101;ya.</samp></span></samp></p>
>> <h4 class="h4"><samp><span
>> class="smallcap"><samp>BH&#256;SHYA</samp></span></samp></h4>
>> <p class="noindent"><samp>Monistic theism is the philosophy of the <span
>> class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span>. Scholars have long noted
>> that the Hindu scriptures are alternately monistic, describing the
>> oneness of the individual soul and God, and theistic, describing the
>> reality of the Personal God. One cannot read the <span
>> class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span>, <span
>> class="cmitalic"><samp>&#x15a;aiva &#256;gamas</samp></span> and hymns
>> of the saints without being overwhelmed with theism as well as monism.
>> Monistic theism is the essential teaching of Hinduism, of &#x15a;aivism.
>> It is the conclusion of Tirumular, Vasugupta, Gorakshanatha, Bhaskara,
>> Srikantha, Basavanna, Vallabha, Ramakrishna, Yogaswami, Nityananda,
>> Radhakrishnan and thousands of others. It encompasses both
>> Siddh&#x101;nta and Ved&#x101;nta. It says, God is and is in all things.
>> It propounds the hopeful, glorious, exultant concept that every soul
>> will finally merge with &#x15a;iva in undifferentiated oneness, none
>> left to suffer forever because of human transgression. The <span
>> class="cmitalic"><samp>Vedas</samp></span> wisely proclaim, ???Higher
>> and other than the world-tree, time and forms is He from whom this
>> expanse proceeds???the bringer of <span
>> class="cmitalic"><samp>dharma,</samp></span> the remover of evil, the
>> lord of prosperity. Know Him as in one???s own Self, as the immortal
>> abode of all.??? Aum Nama&#x1e25; &#x15a;iv&#x101;ya.</samp></p>
>>
>> Goal is to create a tool for volunteers to go in and extract quotes to
>> allow them to grab a few sentences, which we will them push to an online
>> database.
>>
>> So: What is the best way to get this text rendered? Do I go the path of
>> setting the field's Unicode? But then what about the html mark up? if we
>> create a browser object... can users select text and does LC know that
>> there is a selected chunk if it is inside a browser object?
>>
>> Before I start wading into this I though to see if anyone else has some
>> good guidance in advance,
>>
>>
>> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
>> Brahmanathaswami
>>
>> Kauai's Hindu Monastery
>> www.HimalayanAcademy.com
>>
>>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Jul 30 04:44:58 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:44:58 +0200
Subject: Parsing and Extracting Text from ePub XHTML
In-Reply-To: <55B9A2BD.1020503@hindu.org>
References: <55B53581.2040802@hindu.org> <55B54714.7050102@economy-x-talk.com>
	<55B9A2BD.1020503@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <55B9E40A.6070506@economy-x-talk.com>

Yep, Unicode is the future :-) It is also a considerable part of the 
digital past already, just not so much LiveCode's.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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On 7/30/2015 06:06, Brahmanathaswami wrote:

> dunno why, but at least we know what to do... not use any ANSI! Unicode
> all the way...



From sebastien.nouat at livecode.com  Thu Jul 30 04:55:47 2015
From: sebastien.nouat at livecode.com (Sebastien Nouat)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:55:47 +0100
Subject: recursionlimit mystery!
In-Reply-To: <B614036D-D1FF-4715-828F-4C0306F2A8A1@comcast.net>
References: <6818BE63-A66C-4686-B40A-C5465637D73D@comcast.net>
	<55A1196F.9050301@fourthworld.com>
	<B1DAA1D1-5860-4454-85F4-BB8E1346816D@comcast.net>
	<C671401F-D149-4796-A54C-5F171DFF44F3@comcast.net>
	<55A55BB7.9030407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B614036D-D1FF-4715-828F-4C0306F2A8A1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <55B9E693.7030108@livecode.com>

Hi Bruce,

Good news: if you have a look at the bug report, the last comment is a 
link to the GitHub pull request in which the bug is addressed.

The milestone of the pull request is 7.1.0 RC 1, so in the next version 
of LiveCode 7.1 that will be released, the bug will be fixed :)

Regards,

S?bastien

On 27/07/2015 01:43, Bruce Pokras wrote:
> Update: this is bug report 15602. The response from the Livecode folks is that 7.0.x is using 16-bit numbers for the recursionlimit property, so Jacque hit the nail on the head. However, in 6.x.x they were using 32-bit numbers, so my setting a very high recursion limit actually did have an effect. They confirm that this is a bug. No promise on the timing of a fix, though.
>
>> On Jul 14, 2015, at 2:57 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 7/13/2015 9:23 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:
>>> The first time I opened the stack in 7.0.6 that had been developed
>>> under 6.0.2 I received an error message related to the ?openstack?
>>> command in the stack script. It said that the value to which I had
>>> set the recursionlimit property ?is not a number.? The value I used
>>> was 20000000. Looks like a number to me! (I am on a Mac, so the
>>> Windows issue does not effect me). I tried various numbers until I
>>> finally narrowed it down. Attempting to set the recursionlimit
>>> property to any number greater than 65535 gives me an error that that
>>> value is not a number. Also, setting the recursionlimit to a low
>>> number like 40 does not work as expected. After setting the
>>> recursionlimit property to 40 I typed ?put the recursionlimit? into
>>> the message box and hit ?return.? The number that it returned was in
>>> the high 30-thousands!
>>
>> I'm not sure about the 30,000 issue, but 65535 is the upper limit for a 16-bit number. It may be that earlier versions of LC just didn't throw any errors if you exceeded that.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/65535_(number)>
>> "65535 occurs frequently in the field of computing because it is the highest number which can be represented by an unsigned 16-bit binary number. Some computer programming environments may have predefined constant values representing 65535, with names like MAX_UNSIGNED_SHORT."
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>>
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From james at thehales.id.au  Thu Jul 30 09:25:50 2015
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 23:25:50 +1000
Subject: Parsing and Extracting Text from ePub XHTML
Message-ID: <06D2BD6C-15F8-4165-B46C-577FEC4BB9D4@thehales.id.au>

Hi Brahmanathaswami,

My code was begun back in LC 5.5 slowly making the transition through 6 and then 7.
I think I still have a switch in there in case the stack is opened in LC 6 to ensure it does some of the fudging required.
I have learnt in doing all this that standards (such as ePub 2) seem to be fairly loosely adhered to unless you are making the ePub yourself. 
There is also the issue that LC text fields are not fully HTML compliant, using only a subset of HTML and then even doing their own thing with it (see the discussion on the forum concerning LC's interpretation of header level tags. You may have noticed I reassign the header levels to ensure everything stays reasonable on a page.)
But I want to be able to use other features available in LC's text fields so for now I am stuck with them rather than use a browser object to display.
The other thing that is important to remember in order to use the Unicode magic of LC 7 is that all text transport in and out of LC needs to pass through the textdecode/textencode functions (rather than the uniencode/decode fudge of versions less than 7.
This means when saving your text to a database or reading from one, you may have to use these functions. Peter Haworth did quite a bit of investigation in this are while working on his SQL app (yet to be released but eagerly awaited.) I can't remember if he shared this on the list or the forum. But if you write him he will be able to share his experience in dealing correctly with Unicode and its transfer in and out of DBs and LC.
I haven't crossed the bridge of needing to copy paste in or out of LC in my app yet but don't see this as an issue as I expect at this stage to be not concerned with roman texts. However you might want to ask someone in the mothership what is actually being moved when not.
BTW, if your ePub is well formed each xHTML making it up should include the UTF encoding info at the start of the file.

As for seeing some of what your email contained, unfortunately I have trouble even when posts just contain roman script. I get the digest version of the list and read it usually on my iPad and many posts have lots of question marks around words which obviously have been incorrectly rendered. So no, you example contained ni you post didn't quite make it. The web page link certainly did which shows either my browser and my mail client render differently or something funny happens with the list's digest function. Probably the later.

Thanks for sharing your work. I really appreciate it.

James





From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Jul 30 09:51:23 2015
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:51:23 +0200
Subject: Thousands Separators
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kj2wNfbjr8o-4n71cukczZ3cuzJ3G+xUSs86rs+-zK8cQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0F53A3D0-04F7-485B-92E0-F317E8E455DB@gmail.com>
	<55B78AB1.8010105@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kj2wNfbjr8o-4n71cukczZ3cuzJ3G+xUSs86rs+-zK8cQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B3FAB21-5750-4B42-852E-FB07963926C0@mac.com>

Very interesting stuff indeed, IMHO. Some time ago I implemented what amounts to a simplified spreadsheet as part of an iOS app. There were cells containing numbers, arithmetic operations on the cells, and displays of the results. It very quickly emerged that every cell had to be stored in two forms: the actual number with the maximum available accuracy; and the display version seen by the user - I called the non-displayed cell the ?shadow? of the displayed one. It was obvious that any kind of repeated arithmetic on the display version would (and did) result in rounding errors etc which would then show up in the revised displays. In a sense I also adopted Kay?s solution, in that each cell had a property describing its display format (currency, integer, percentage etc). These properties were invoked for every cell involved in an arithmetic operation.

Although this worked pretty well, in fact I abandoned the app after the potential user temporarily lost interest in it: I may well revive it later this year as I know our paths will cross again.

But yet, how great if all this was built into LC.

Graham

> On 30 Jul 2015, at 02:55, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> But stepping back to look at the big picture, I find myself wondering:
>> 
>> Why is that even necessary?
>> 
>> Why isn't that just a field property, e.g. "the displayFormat"?
>> 
>> But stepping back further, why would you want it only restricted to a
> field property? What about if I wanted numbers automatically displayed in
> the correct format that came as part of text in an Answer Dialog, or the
> default answer in an Ask Dialog, or even in the Title of one of these or
> the dynamic label of a button, i.e. Option Menu?
> 
> Maybe this is connected with the recent response Mark W gave to the HTML
> <H5> tag bug which has been reclassified as an 'enhancement' request where
> he responded:
> 
> The solution in both cases is not to change the current mappings, but
>> instead to (at some point) make the mappings configurable at runtime. Of
>> course, the rub here is that this causes a global interoperability problem
>> which is not (at this time) clear how to resolve. i.e. In the IDE you could
>> be editing two 'applications' at once both of which want different
>> settings. (Note that keying this at the stack level isn't necessarily
>> correct as stacks can be used as libraries in different contexts - there
>> needs to be some notion of 'project scope' which would arbitrate what
>> mappings were used when).
>> 
> 
> As I said in my response; "in my naivety this sounds like some kind of LC
> CSS is needed."
> 
> Wouldn't it be nice, in one central location to nominate formats, not just
> number, and be able to English like name them for use anywhere (hopefully
> LC would come with a bunch of inbuilt ones).
> 
> set the CSSformat $#,###.00 = "currency"
> set the CSSformat #,### = "wholeThousands"
> set the CSSformat (###) ####-#### = "AreaPhone"
> (possibly grep based)
> set the CSSformat \d{4}-\d{2}-\d{2} \d{2}:\d{2}\d{2} = "SQLDateTime"
> set the CSSformat \d{2} \w{3} \d{2} = "dd mmm yyDate"
> set the CSSformat \w+ at gmail.com = "gmailEmail"
> 
> A stack could then be set to 'wholeThousands'
> 
> use CSSformat "wholeThousands" for this stack
> 
> and then every number, whether field, title or text in an Answer Dialog
> would come up with a thousand separator. If a particular field needed a
> different format, as you say you'd just set it's format property to: use
> CSSFormat  "currency" for fld "price" to override the default.
> 
> It would also be nice to be able to tick a box for a field property that
> automatically invoked data format checking or be able to specify it
> elsewhere.
> 
> --number format assumed to be "currency" because that is the stacks default
> ask question "How much did you spend?" with tValue titled "Lunch
> Expediture" AND formatCheck 1
> 
> --number format different to stack default
> ask question "Which day was the purchase" with tDate useCSSformat "dd mmm
> yyDate" titled "Lunch Expenditure" AND formatCheck 2
> 
> In the LC CSS you'd specify the response for a 1, 2, 3... etc formatCheck
> failure.
> 
> Sitting here dreaming of LC heaven :-)
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Jul 30 11:10:45 2015
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:10:45 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft9_QYVVqDN1fNnVm_yi8JMdtT1V8wFeX9R-JC4sgM=jog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAHp9Ft9_QYVVqDN1fNnVm_yi8JMdtT1V8wFeX9R-JC4sgM=jog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0FA37D6B-D84F-4BDA-91E0-59A3F186DC08@iotecdigital.com>

Yes it does. If you use the placeholder method (I am not really sure what to call it at this point) then sqlYoga sanitizes the strings for you. I've inserted records with any number of characters using this method without any problems reading in or out of the database. 

I'm not sure if a direct query like "address = '\\bobscomputer\scans'" is sanitized. For the sake of standardization I always use the placeholder method. 

Bob S


> On Jul 28, 2015, at 09:17 , Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:
> 
> Does revDataFromQuery do any sanitizing/proper to prevent me from sneaking
> extra SQL into your search box like an injection style attack, or does it
> just plop whatever you give in there no questions asked? Just curious. I
> have always been spoiled by SQLYoga or rolled my DB interfaces up into API
> servers of some kind.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:09 AM Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Mike, assuming you are searching the db with parameter pSearchTerm, try
>> something like this:
>> 
>> 
>> put "%" & pSearchTerm & "%" into tSearchTerm
>> put "SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE :1" into tQuery
>> get revDataFromQuery(tab, return, sDBID, tQuery, "tSearchTerm")
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> "The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits." -
>> Albert Einstein
>> --
>> View this message in context:
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From jana.doughty at livecode.com  Thu Jul 30 11:55:10 2015
From: jana.doughty at livecode.com (Jana Doughty)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:55:10 +0200
Subject: How to Make a Business Plan
Message-ID: <9695c0a98081725bd9126b38d1f092e2.squirrel@meg.on-rev.com>

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a full flourishing business. Lots of our community members have done this
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 30 12:21:06 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:21:06 -0400
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
Message-ID: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>

The LC 6.7.5 dictionary entry for setProp has the following:

If the custom property you want to control is in a custom property set,
use array notation in the first line of the setProp handler, as in the
following example:

  setProp mySet[thisProperty] newValue
if thisProperty is "that" then put newValue into me
  end setProp

The above setProp handler responds to changes in the custom property
named "that", which is a member of the custom property set named "mySet".

First, this example throws a syntax error in the IDE script editor, I
think because last line should be "end mySet" vs "end setProp".

Second, it appears you can NOT have individual setProp handlers for
custom properties in custom property sets. I.e. if mySet contain the
customer properties "that" and "this" and "those", I can not have:

setProp mySet["this"] tValue
  -- do something
end mySet["this"]

setProp mySet["that"] tValue
  -- do something else
end mySet["that"]

and so on. It appears you can only have a single setProp for the whole
custom property set as in:

setProp mySet[whichproperty] tValue
  switch whichproperty
     case "this"
        -- do something
        break
     case "that"
         -- do something else
         break
     ...
  end switch
end mySet

Is this true? Is there a way to have individual setprop handlers for
specific properties in a custom property set? The lask of clean, easy to
read, setProp handlers for properties in a custom property set would
seem to reduce the value of custom property sets for organizing groups
of properties. Perhaps it is better to just have all properties in the
default property set?



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 30 14:41:34 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 18:41:34 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <0FA37D6B-D84F-4BDA-91E0-59A3F186DC08@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CADCoycMUs+c3ZJZ+unmUstTybjaZws+QPkH5UikEVjnAKGTWUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1438099666097-4694419.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAHp9Ft9_QYVVqDN1fNnVm_yi8JMdtT1V8wFeX9R-JC4sgM=jog@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FA37D6B-D84F-4BDA-91E0-59A3F186DC08@iotecdigital.com>
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If you use the placeholder method, there is no need to sanitize the
strings, that's the point of using it.  Although I guess it depends on what
you mean by "sanitize".

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 8:11 AM Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> Yes it does. If you use the placeholder method (I am not really sure what
> to call it at this point) then sqlYoga sanitizes the strings for you. I've
> inserted records with any number of characters using this method without
> any problems reading in or out of the database.
>
> I'm not sure if a direct query like "address = '\\bobscomputer\scans'" is
> sanitized. For the sake of standardization I always use the placeholder
> method.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Jul 28, 2015, at 09:17 , Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:
> >
> > Does revDataFromQuery do any sanitizing/proper to prevent me from
> sneaking
> > extra SQL into your search box like an injection style attack, or does it
> > just plop whatever you give in there no questions asked? Just curious. I
> > have always been spoiled by SQLYoga or rolled my DB interfaces up into
> API
> > servers of some kind.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:09 AM Dave Kilroy <
> dave at applicationinsight.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Mike, assuming you are searching the db with parameter pSearchTerm, try
> >> something like this:
> >>
> >>
> >> put "%" & pSearchTerm & "%" into tSearchTerm
> >> put "SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE :1" into tQuery
> >> get revDataFromQuery(tab, return, sDBID, tQuery, "tSearchTerm")
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> "The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its
> limits." -
> >> Albert Einstein
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/parameterized-query-with-wildcard-tp4694407p4694419.html
> >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 30 14:46:48 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 18:46:48 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <FD1250F4-C105-4099-B102-99C6C283C8E0@gmail.com>
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	<5C4D9063-C87A-4D04-B54C-6223DC996B2F@gmail.com>
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	<FD1250F4-C105-4099-B102-99C6C283C8E0@gmail.com>
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I feel I should point out that you are leaving yourself wide open to SQL
injection attacks by not using the placeholder method of passing data to
SQL statements.  Not enough space to detail how that works here but just
Google "SQL injection" on the web to see a sample of the really bad things
that can happen.

When you use placeholders, the SQL statement and the values in the
placeholder variables are sent to the database separately which gives you
full protection against SQL injection attacks.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:02 AM PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:

> When I get that value from the user it is scrubbed and then put into the
> SQL with the merge.
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >
> > But why bother?  You're already putting the value into a variable so all
> > that's required is use :1 and append the variable name to the revxxx
> call.
> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:29 AM PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not a problem... Scrub the variable before the merge... It's what I do
> as
> >> well.  I have a function that takes the input and scrubs it... I'm away
> for
> >> another week but if you're interested, when I get back I can post the
> >> handler.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The reason for using parameterized queries instead of either merging or
> >>> appending is because of SQL injection.
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Why not just use merge...?
> >>>>
> >>>> Put "John" into tVal
> >>>> Put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]])") into pSQL
> >>>> OR
> >>>> put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]]%)") into pSQL
> >>>>
> >>>> I do this for all of my queries and it works fine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I was guessing, my hunch would be that including the single-quotes
> >> is
> >>>>> going to make the db look for strings containing %:1%, instead of
> using
> >>>> the
> >>>>> wildcards and the parameter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Mike Kerner <
> >> MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <
> >>>> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? or at
> >> the
> >>>>>>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? OR
> >> column
> >>>>>>> LIKE ?%:1?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> HTH
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bob S
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <
> MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and
> >> wildcards,
> >>>>>>> e.g.
> >>>>>>>> in a LIKE statement?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), and
> I've
> >>>>>>> tried
> >>>>>>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 (doesn't
> >> work).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>>>>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>>>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>>>>>> and did a little diving.
> >>>>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>> --
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> >>>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>>>> and did a little diving.
> >>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >>>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>>> and did a little diving.
> >>>>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >>>  and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Jul 30 14:57:05 2015
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:57:05 -0400
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
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Message-ID: <007a01d0caf9$87329150$9597b3f0$@net>

Peter,

If you using an SSL connection to the DB is there still "SQL injection" risks?

3...2...1... and Mark Wieder says "Use a web service"

Then I will +1 it. I have almost completely moved to the https web service model for remote DB access.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:47 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: parameterized query with wildcard

I feel I should point out that you are leaving yourself wide open to SQL injection attacks by not using the placeholder method of passing data to SQL statements.  Not enough space to detail how that works here but just Google "SQL injection" on the web to see a sample of the really bad things that can happen.

When you use placeholders, the SQL statement and the values in the placeholder variables are sent to the database separately which gives you full protection against SQL injection attacks.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:02 AM PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:

> When I get that value from the user it is scrubbed and then put into 
> the SQL with the merge.
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >
> > But why bother?  You're already putting the value into a variable so 
> > all that's required is use :1 and append the variable name to the 
> > revxxx
> call.
> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:29 AM PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not a problem... Scrub the variable before the merge... It's what I 
> >> do
> as
> >> well.  I have a function that takes the input and scrubs it... I'm 
> >> away
> for
> >> another week but if you're interested, when I get back I can post 
> >> the handler.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mike Kerner 
> >>>> <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The reason for using parameterized queries instead of either 
> >>> merging or appending is because of SQL injection.
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Why not just use merge...?
> >>>>
> >>>> Put "John" into tVal
> >>>> Put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]])") into 
> >>>> pSQL OR put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]]%)") 
> >>>> into pSQL
> >>>>
> >>>> I do this for all of my queries and it works fine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Mike Kerner 
> >>>>>> <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I was guessing, my hunch would be that including the 
> >>>>> single-quotes
> >> is
> >>>>> going to make the db look for strings containing %:1%, instead 
> >>>>> of
> using
> >>>> the
> >>>>> wildcards and the parameter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Mike Kerner <
> >> MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <
> >>>> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? 
> >>>>>>> or at
> >> the
> >>>>>>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? 
> >>>>>>> OR
> >> column
> >>>>>>> LIKE ?%:1?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> HTH
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bob S
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <
> MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and
> >> wildcards,
> >>>>>>> e.g.
> >>>>>>>> in a LIKE statement?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), 
> >>>>>>>> and
> I've
> >>>>>>> tried
> >>>>>>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 
> >>>>>>>> (doesn't
> >> work).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On 
> >>>>>>>> the second day, God created the oceans.
> >>>>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few 
> >>>>>>>> hours, and did a little diving.
> >>>>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to 
> >>>>>>>> subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the 
> >>>>>> second day, God created the oceans.
> >>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, 
> >>>>>> and did a little diving.
> >>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the 
> >>>>> second day, God created the oceans.
> >>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, 
> >>>>> and did a little diving.
> >>>>> And God said, "This is good."
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> use-livecode mailing list
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> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the 
> >>> second day, God created the oceans.
> >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,  
> >>> and did a little diving.
> >>> And God said, "This is good."
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From mark at livecode.com  Thu Jul 30 15:08:07 2015
From: mark at livecode.com (Mark Waddingham)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:08:07 +0100
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
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Injection attacks are caused by a lack of validation of the inputs used to construct a query - they are independent of any transport mechanism.

Even fronting db access with a web service will cause a vector for injection attacks if the web service is constructing query strings without validating or escaping inputs which are put directly into said strings.

As previously mentioned on this thread, placeholders mitigate the problem because DBs treat them as parameters to a query, rather than building a query with their content concatenated into the query string.

Mark.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Jul 2015, at 19:57, Ralph DiMola <rdimola at evergreeninfo.net> wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> 
> If you using an SSL connection to the DB is there still "SQL injection" risks?
> 
> 3...2...1... and Mark Wieder says "Use a web service"
> 
> Then I will +1 it. I have almost completely moved to the https web service model for remote DB access.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:47 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: parameterized query with wildcard
> 
> I feel I should point out that you are leaving yourself wide open to SQL injection attacks by not using the placeholder method of passing data to SQL statements.  Not enough space to detail how that works here but just Google "SQL injection" on the web to see a sample of the really bad things that can happen.
> 
> When you use placeholders, the SQL statement and the values in the placeholder variables are sent to the database separately which gives you full protection against SQL injection attacks.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:02 AM PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> When I get that value from the user it is scrubbed and then put into 
>> the SQL with the merge.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> But why bother?  You're already putting the value into a variable so 
>>> all that's required is use :1 and append the variable name to the 
>>> revxxx
>> call.
>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:29 AM PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Not a problem... Scrub the variable before the merge... It's what I 
>>>> do
>> as
>>>> well.  I have a function that takes the input and scrubs it... I'm 
>>>> away
>> for
>>>> another week but if you're interested, when I get back I can post 
>>>> the handler.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mike Kerner 
>>>>>> <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The reason for using parameterized queries instead of either 
>>>>> merging or appending is because of SQL injection.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why not just use merge...?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Put "John" into tVal
>>>>>> Put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]])") into 
>>>>>> pSQL OR put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]]%)") 
>>>>>> into pSQL
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do this for all of my queries and it works fine.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Mike Kerner 
>>>>>>>> <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If I was guessing, my hunch would be that including the 
>>>>>>> single-quotes
>>>> is
>>>>>>> going to make the db look for strings containing %:1%, instead 
>>>>>>> of
>> using
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> wildcards and the parameter.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Mike Kerner <
>>>> MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <
>>>>>> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%? 
>>>>>>>>> or at
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%? 
>>>>>>>>> OR
>>>> column
>>>>>>>>> LIKE ?%:1?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bob S
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <
>> MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and
>>>> wildcards,
>>>>>>>>> e.g.
>>>>>>>>>> in a LIKE statement?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error), 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>> I've
>>>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1 
>>>>>>>>>> (doesn't
>>>> work).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On 
>>>>>>>>>> the second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>>>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few 
>>>>>>>>>> hours, and did a little diving.
>>>>>>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the 
>>>>>>>> second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, 
>>>>>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the 
>>>>>>> second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, 
>>>>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
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>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the 
>>>>> second day, God created the oceans.
>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,  
>>>>> and did a little diving.
>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 30 15:12:40 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:12:40 +0000
Subject: parameterized query with wildcard
In-Reply-To: <007a01d0caf9$87329150$9597b3f0$@net>
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Good questions Ralph, not sure I have definitive answers.  I do know that
even if your queries are executed by PHP scripts on your sever, there are
ways for SQL injection attacks to occur, although it's much more
complicated.  There's a good Wikipedia article on this at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL_injection.  There are some really scary
examples of attacks that have occurred using this method at the end of the
article.  There are a lot of bad people out there!

For my own peace of mind, I automatically use placeholders these days so I
don't have to concern myself whether I'm already protected against attacks
or not

Just saw Mark's reply while writing this which I think validates the use of
placeholders.



On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:56 AM Ralph DiMola <rdimola at evergreeninfo.net>
wrote:

> Peter,
>
> If you using an SSL connection to the DB is there still "SQL injection"
> risks?
>
> 3...2...1... and Mark Wieder says "Use a web service"
>
> Then I will +1 it. I have almost completely moved to the https web service
> model for remote DB access.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Peter Haworth
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:47 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: parameterized query with wildcard
>
> I feel I should point out that you are leaving yourself wide open to SQL
> injection attacks by not using the placeholder method of passing data to
> SQL statements.  Not enough space to detail how that works here but just
> Google "SQL injection" on the web to see a sample of the really bad things
> that can happen.
>
> When you use placeholders, the SQL statement and the values in the
> placeholder variables are sent to the database separately which gives you
> full protection against SQL injection attacks.
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:02 AM PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > When I get that value from the user it is scrubbed and then put into
> > the SQL with the merge.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > But why bother?  You're already putting the value into a variable so
> > > all that's required is use :1 and append the variable name to the
> > > revxxx
> > call.
> > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:29 AM PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Not a problem... Scrub the variable before the merge... It's what I
> > >> do
> > as
> > >> well.  I have a function that takes the input and scrubs it... I'm
> > >> away
> > for
> > >> another week but if you're interested, when I get back I can post
> > >> the handler.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Mike Kerner
> > >>>> <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> The reason for using parameterized queries instead of either
> > >>> merging or appending is because of SQL injection.
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Why not just use merge...?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Put "John" into tVal
> > >>>> Put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]])") into
> > >>>> pSQL OR put merge("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE(bar LIKE %[[tVal]]%)")
> > >>>> into pSQL
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I do this for all of my queries and it works fine.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Paul
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>> On Jul 29, 2015, at 9:45 AM, Mike Kerner
> > >>>>>> <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
> > >
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If I was guessing, my hunch would be that including the
> > >>>>> single-quotes
> > >> is
> > >>>>> going to make the db look for strings containing %:1%, instead
> > >>>>> of
> > using
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> wildcards and the parameter.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Mike Kerner <
> > >> MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Nope.  That doesn't work, Bob.  That returns nothing.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <
> > >>>> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Should be LIKE ?:1? or for wild cards LIKE ?%:1%?.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> If you are searching for a value at the beginning, LIKE ?:1%?
> > >>>>>>> or at
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>> end, LIKE ?%:1?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> If searching for all, column LIKE ?%:1%? OR column LIKE ?:1%?
> > >>>>>>> OR
> > >> column
> > >>>>>>> LIKE ?%:1?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> HTH
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Bob S
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 08:16 , Mike Kerner <
> > MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Has anybody built any queries that use both parameters and
> > >> wildcards,
> > >>>>>>> e.g.
> > >>>>>>>> in a LIKE statement?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar LIKE %:1%
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I've tried the above (error), I've tried '%':1'%' (error),
> > >>>>>>>> and
> > I've
> > >>>>>>> tried
> > >>>>>>>> appending the % to the container I'm passing as my :1
> > >>>>>>>> (doesn't
> > >> work).
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I really don't want to do this the unsafe way.
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On
> > >>>>>>>> the second day, God created the oceans.
> > >>>>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few
> > >>>>>>>> hours, and did a little diving.
> > >>>>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> > >>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to
> > >>>>>>>> subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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> > >>>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the
> > >>>>>> second day, God created the oceans.
> > >>>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >>>>>> and did a little diving.
> > >>>>>> And God said, "This is good."
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the
> > >>>>> second day, God created the oceans.
> > >>>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >>>>> and did a little diving.
> > >>>>> And God said, "This is good."
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>> second day, God created the oceans.
> > >>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> > >>> and did a little diving.
> > >>> And God said, "This is good."
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 16:20:34 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:20:34 -0700
Subject: Making icons
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFYUNdAD7cOVtrWFp0hMBojdQcZs2kfUG=2y7RjXjdszg@mail.gmail.com>

Quite some time ago, I converted a png to a .icons file on OS X.

And I have absolutely no memory of what I did to use it.

I've edited the icons, and need to do it again.

Could anyone spare a hint?

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 30 16:34:45 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:34:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>

Paul Dupuis <paul at ...> writes:

> 
> The LC 6.7.5 dictionary entry for setProp has the following:
> 
> If the custom property you want to control is in a custom property set,
> use array notation in the first line of the setProp handler, as in the
> following example:

Interesting. I do see that in the documentation, but I've never used that.
The way I've always dealt with custom property sets is to switch context:

set the customPropertySet of <object> to <name>
set the <property> of <object> to <whatever>
get the <property> of <object>
set the customPropertySet of <object> to empty

I think this makes for a cleaner, easier-to-read format anyway.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 30 16:37:45 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:37:45 +0000
Subject: Making icons
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFYUNdAD7cOVtrWFp0hMBojdQcZs2kfUG=2y7RjXjdszg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFYUNdAD7cOVtrWFp0hMBojdQcZs2kfUG=2y7RjXjdszg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNRyGGpLqQXiG6bBHZ1TYTRzUeV4wcHUoOGry-TASx4fQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure there are other places but there's a free online convertor at
https://iconverticons.com/online/

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 1:20 PM Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Quite some time ago, I converted a png to a .icons file on OS X.
>
> And I have absolutely no memory of what I did to use it.
>
> I've edited the icons, and need to do it again.
>
> Could anyone spare a hint?
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 30 17:11:50 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:11:50 -0400
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <55BA9316.7060007@researchware.com>

On 7/30/2015 4:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Paul Dupuis <paul at ...> writes:
>
>> The LC 6.7.5 dictionary entry for setProp has the following:
>>
>> If the custom property you want to control is in a custom property set,
>> use array notation in the first line of the setProp handler, as in the
>> following example:
> Interesting. I do see that in the documentation, but I've never used that.
> The way I've always dealt with custom property sets is to switch context:
>
> set the customPropertySet of <object> to <name>
> set the <property> of <object> to <whatever>
> get the <property> of <object>
> set the customPropertySet of <object> to empty
>
> I think this makes for a cleaner, easier-to-read format anyway.

I agree, but that still doesn't answer if you can use setProp and
getProp handlers with individual custom properties in custom property sets.




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 30 17:31:55 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
	<55BA9316.7060007@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150730T232444-128@post.gmane.org>

Paul Dupuis <paul at ...> writes:

> 
> On 7/30/2015 4:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> > Paul Dupuis <paul <at> ...> writes:
> >
> >> The LC 6.7.5 dictionary entry for setProp has the following:
> >>
> >> If the custom property you want to control is in a custom property set,
> >> use array notation in the first line of the setProp handler, as in the
> >> following example:
> > Interesting. I do see that in the documentation, but I've never used that.
> > The way I've always dealt with custom property sets is to switch context:
> >
> > set the customPropertySet of <object> to <name>
> > set the <property> of <object> to <whatever>
> > get the <property> of <object>
> > set the customPropertySet of <object> to empty
> >
> > I think this makes for a cleaner, easier-to-read format anyway.
> 
> I agree, but that still doesn't answer if you can use setProp and
> getProp handlers with individual custom properties in custom property sets.

Well, it eliminates the need for the array syntax,
which is what I thought you were asking about.
Within the customPropertySet you just have:

setProp property1 pValue
  set the property1 of me to pValue
end property1

setProp property2 pValue
  set the property2 of me to pValue
end property2

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 30 18:21:46 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 18:21:46 -0400
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150730T232444-128@post.gmane.org>
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
	<55BA9316.7060007@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T232444-128@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <55BAA37A.5040201@researchware.com>

On 7/30/2015 5:31 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Within the customPropertySet you just have:
>
> setProp property1 pValue
>   set the property1 of me to pValue
> end property1
>
> setProp property2 pValue
>   set the property2 of me to pValue
> end property2

Thanks Mark. I am interested in avoiding the array notation with my
setProp and getProp.

I just was having trouble figuring out exactly what the coding should
be. I now understand that if I have a custom property set for a stack
called "mySet" and property in mySet called "myNumber"

So if I want a setProp handler to calculate myNumber as the parameter
div 100 - for example to convert a percent to a decimal number -  in a
stack script:

setProp myNumber pValue
  set the myNumber of me to pValue / 100
end myNumber

if I then execute in a button script

on mouseUp
  set the customPropertySet of this stack to "mySet"
  set the myNumber of me to 90
  set the customPropertySet of this stack to empty
end mouseUp

it does correctly execute the setProp handler. Much to my surprise. This
implies that you can NOT have two custom property sets that have the
same property name IF you want to use setprop or getProp handlers with them.

Thanks.
 




From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Jul 30 18:29:31 2015
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:29:31 +0000
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
In-Reply-To: <55BAA37A.5040201@researchware.com>
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
	<55BA9316.7060007@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T232444-128@post.gmane.org>
	<55BAA37A.5040201@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN+CrMS4HMLP6FXR1LehHb--C45wN9=sjo9rKOJX3ZvKg@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if the mouseUp script is - set the mySet["myNumber"] of me to 90 -
whether the setProp handler for myNumber still is executed.



On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 3:22 PM Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:

> On 7/30/2015 5:31 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> > Within the customPropertySet you just have:
> >
> > setProp property1 pValue
> >   set the property1 of me to pValue
> > end property1
> >
> > setProp property2 pValue
> >   set the property2 of me to pValue
> > end property2
>
> Thanks Mark. I am interested in avoiding the array notation with my
> setProp and getProp.
>
> I just was having trouble figuring out exactly what the coding should
> be. I now understand that if I have a custom property set for a stack
> called "mySet" and property in mySet called "myNumber"
>
> So if I want a setProp handler to calculate myNumber as the parameter
> div 100 - for example to convert a percent to a decimal number -  in a
> stack script:
>
> setProp myNumber pValue
>   set the myNumber of me to pValue / 100
> end myNumber
>
> if I then execute in a button script
>
> on mouseUp
>   set the customPropertySet of this stack to "mySet"
>   set the myNumber of me to 90
>   set the customPropertySet of this stack to empty
> end mouseUp
>
> it does correctly execute the setProp handler. Much to my surprise. This
> implies that you can NOT have two custom property sets that have the
> same property name IF you want to use setprop or getProp handlers with
> them.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 30 18:44:09 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:44:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
	<55BA9316.7060007@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T232444-128@post.gmane.org>
	<55BAA37A.5040201@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150731T003825-539@post.gmane.org>

Paul Dupuis <paul at ...> writes:

> it does correctly execute the setProp handler. Much to my surprise. This
> implies that you can NOT have two custom property sets that have the
> same property name IF you want to use setprop or getProp handlers with them.

No, that's the point of the custom property sets.
They act like vocabulary switchers.
So you can have

setProp myUniqueName pValue
  add 1 to pValue
  set the myUniqueName of me to pValue
end myUniqueName

in one custom property set and
 
setProp myUniqueName pValue
  set the myUniqueName of me to "$" & (pValue / 100)
end myUniqueName

in another custom property set
and then use whichever is appropriate at the time.
It's a very powerful tool once you get the hang of it.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jul 30 19:00:38 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:00:38 -0700
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150731T003825-539@post.gmane.org>
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
	<55BA9316.7060007@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T232444-128@post.gmane.org>
	<55BAA37A.5040201@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150731T003825-539@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <D1DFF952.6A5C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Maybe I'm missing something, but I originally thought the following would
cause a recursion error, because the property being set appears within a
setProp handler of the same name.  Trying this in LC 7.0.5 works, but I
still see a warning in the docs about recursion.  So does the following
work only in LC 7 and later?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 7/30/15, 3:44 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

>setProp myUniqueName pValue
>  add 1 to pValue
>  set the myUniqueName of me to pValue
>end myUniqueName





From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 30 19:02:00 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:02:00 -0400
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150731T003825-539@post.gmane.org>
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
	<55BA9316.7060007@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T232444-128@post.gmane.org>
	<55BAA37A.5040201@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150731T003825-539@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <55BAACE8.2080308@researchware.com>

On 7/30/2015 6:44 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Paul Dupuis <paul at ...> writes:
>
>> it does correctly execute the setProp handler. Much to my surprise. This
>> implies that you can NOT have two custom property sets that have the
>> same property name IF you want to use setprop or getProp handlers with them.
> No, that's the point of the custom property sets.
> They act like vocabulary switchers.
> So you can have
>
> setProp myUniqueName pValue
>   add 1 to pValue
>   set the myUniqueName of me to pValue
> end myUniqueName
>
> in one custom property set and
>  
> setProp myUniqueName pValue
>   set the myUniqueName of me to "$" & (pValue / 100)
> end myUniqueName
>
> in another custom property set
> and then use whichever is appropriate at the time.
> It's a very powerful tool once you get the hang of it.
>

Am I missing something else Mark? How do you put a setProp handler in a
customPropertySet? The handlers have to be in scripts. Do you use
behaviors to switch between setprop handlers?



From paul at researchware.com  Thu Jul 30 19:10:06 2015
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:10:06 -0400
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
In-Reply-To: <D1DFF952.6A5C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
	<55BA9316.7060007@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T232444-128@post.gmane.org>
	<55BAA37A.5040201@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150731T003825-539@post.gmane.org>
	<D1DFF952.6A5C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <55BAAECE.2030104@researchware.com>

On 7/30/2015 7:00 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something, but I originally thought the following would
> cause a recursion error, because the property being set appears within a
> setProp handler of the same name.  Trying this in LC 7.0.5 works, but I
> still see a warning in the docs about recursion.  So does the following
> work only in LC 7 and later?
>

Scott,

The recursion issue is of you have a pair (or more) or setProp handlers
that call back to one another: ie.

setprop propA pValue
  set the propA of me to pValue
  set the propB of me to pValue / 2
end propA

setProp propB pValue
  set the propB of me to pValue
  set the propA of me to pValue * 2
end propB

The 1st line of each is okay - setting the actual custom property value
in it's own handler will not cause recursion
However, the 2nd line will result in run-away recursion.



From sundown at pacifier.com  Thu Jul 30 19:14:26 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:14:26 -0700
Subject: Making icons
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFYUNdAD7cOVtrWFp0hMBojdQcZs2kfUG=2y7RjXjdszg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFYUNdAD7cOVtrWFp0hMBojdQcZs2kfUG=2y7RjXjdszg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <635607A6-FC6D-42EA-830D-9E7CB4428DC4@pacifier.com>

If you are using a Mac go to the Mac App
store and do a search for icon.  You will
find quite a few apps for making icons.

Some of them make cost a few dollars but
the time saved and options may be worth
it.

They will provide you with the ability to make
and icon for desktop or mobile apps and do
do things like making rounded corners.  They
will also make a whole set of icons which is
what you will need to publish your app;

John Balgenorth


On Jul 30, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Quite some time ago, I converted a png to a .icons file on OS X.
> 
> And I have absolutely no memory of what I did to use it.
> 
> I've edited the icons, and need to do it again.
> 
> Could anyone spare a hint?
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 30 19:17:30 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 23:17:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
	<55BA9316.7060007@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T232444-128@post.gmane.org>
	<55BAA37A.5040201@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150731T003825-539@post.gmane.org>
	<55BAACE8.2080308@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150731T011502-703@post.gmane.org>

Paul Dupuis <paul at ...> writes:

> Am I missing something else Mark? How do you put a setProp handler in a
> customPropertySet? The handlers have to be in scripts. Do you use
> behaviors to switch between setprop handlers?

Nope - I'm getting distracted by too many things at once.
You're correct - you can't have the same setprop/getprop handlers
in multiple custom property sets.
You *can* have the same properties in multiple sets, though.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Jul 30 19:20:15 2015
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 23:20:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
	<55BA9316.7060007@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T232444-128@post.gmane.org>
	<55BAA37A.5040201@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150731T003825-539@post.gmane.org>
	<D1DFF952.6A5C3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<55BAAECE.2030104@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20150731T011853-257@post.gmane.org>

Paul Dupuis <paul at ...> writes:

> The recursion issue is of you have a pair (or more) or setProp handlers
> that call back to one another: ie.

Right. There's a special-case trap for that. From the docs:

If you use the set command within a setProp control structure to set the same
custom property for the current object, no setProp trigger is sent to the object.

(This is to avoid runaway recursion, where the setProp handler triggers itself.)

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From dochawk at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 19:37:45 2015
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:37:45 -0700
Subject: Making icons
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNRyGGpLqQXiG6bBHZ1TYTRzUeV4wcHUoOGry-TASx4fQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFYUNdAD7cOVtrWFp0hMBojdQcZs2kfUG=2y7RjXjdszg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNRyGGpLqQXiG6bBHZ1TYTRzUeV4wcHUoOGry-TASx4fQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSE9VVV42JWZeOwg-tekyQ+FO1REsMo28PFr7dPSnewVkw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I'm sure there are other places but there's a free online convertor at
> https://iconverticons.com/online/
>

This was perfect!

My application no longer has a square icon.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Jul 30 20:13:15 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:13:15 -0500
Subject: Making icons
In-Reply-To: <635607A6-FC6D-42EA-830D-9E7CB4428DC4@pacifier.com>
References: <CANQHZSFYUNdAD7cOVtrWFp0hMBojdQcZs2kfUG=2y7RjXjdszg@mail.gmail.com>
	<635607A6-FC6D-42EA-830D-9E7CB4428DC4@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <12450588-8134-4FA1-84FE-06AE183CD37B@hyperactivesw.com>

Graphic Converter does it too. 

On July 30, 2015 6:14:26 PM CDT, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>If you are using a Mac go to the Mac App
>store and do a search for icon.  You will
>find quite a few apps for making icons.
>
>Some of them make cost a few dollars but
>the time saved and options may be worth
>it.
>
>They will provide you with the ability to make
>and icon for desktop or mobile apps and do
>do things like making rounded corners.  They
>will also make a whole set of icons which is
>what you will need to publish your app;
>
>John Balgenorth
>
>
>On Jul 30, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Quite some time ago, I converted a png to a .icons file on OS X.
>> 
>> And I have absolutely no memory of what I did to use it.
>> 
>> I've edited the icons, and need to do it again.
>> 
>> Could anyone spare a hint?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
>> (702) 508-8462
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>
>
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-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From sundown at pacifier.com  Thu Jul 30 20:48:18 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:48:18 -0700
Subject: Making icons
In-Reply-To: <12450588-8134-4FA1-84FE-06AE183CD37B@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CANQHZSFYUNdAD7cOVtrWFp0hMBojdQcZs2kfUG=2y7RjXjdszg@mail.gmail.com>
	<635607A6-FC6D-42EA-830D-9E7CB4428DC4@pacifier.com>
	<12450588-8134-4FA1-84FE-06AE183CD37B@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <098C54CC-7833-403E-BF51-5E0D3AA3E2B3@pacifier.com>

Thanks Jaque,  I forgot about that
program.  I have been using it for
years.  I think it came out around
system 7 or maybe a ltlle earlier
and is a excellent investment.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:13 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Graphic Converter does it too. 
> 
> On July 30, 2015 6:14:26 PM CDT, JB <sundown at pacifier.com> wrote:
>> If you are using a Mac go to the Mac App
>> store and do a search for icon.  You will
>> find quite a few apps for making icons.
>> 
>> Some of them make cost a few dollars but
>> the time saved and options may be worth
>> it.
>> 
>> They will provide you with the ability to make
>> and icon for desktop or mobile apps and do
>> do things like making rounded corners.  They
>> will also make a whole set of icons which is
>> what you will need to publish your app;
>> 
>> John Balgenorth
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 1:20 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Quite some time ago, I converted a png to a .icons file on OS X.
>>> 
>>> And I have absolutely no memory of what I did to use it.
>>> 
>>> I've edited the icons, and need to do it again.
>>> 
>>> Could anyone spare a hint?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
>>> (702) 508-8462
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jul 30 20:56:36 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:56:36 -0700
Subject: Making icons
In-Reply-To: <098C54CC-7833-403E-BF51-5E0D3AA3E2B3@pacifier.com>
References: <CANQHZSFYUNdAD7cOVtrWFp0hMBojdQcZs2kfUG=2y7RjXjdszg@mail.gmail.com>
	<635607A6-FC6D-42EA-830D-9E7CB4428DC4@pacifier.com>
	<12450588-8134-4FA1-84FE-06AE183CD37B@hyperactivesw.com>
	<098C54CC-7833-403E-BF51-5E0D3AA3E2B3@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <D1E01567.6A646%scott@tactilemedia.com>

If your system is OS X:

Icon Slate
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/icon-slate/id439697913?mt=12

Only $5, highly recommended.


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Jul 30 23:08:08 2015
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:08:08 -0700
Subject: Import Snapshot of Stack?
Message-ID: <D1E034A8.6A6AF%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Anyone know if this is possible without referencing a windowID?

This fails with a script error:
import snapshot from stack "xyz"


This defaults to selecting a region to capture and then fails:
import snapshot of stack "xyz"


This works, but clips the snapshot if any portion of the stack appears
outside the screenRect:
import snapshot from window windowID

I'd prefer to avoid capturing the current card of a stack, but may fall
back to that.


Any other options?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design






From sundown at pacifier.com  Fri Jul 31 00:24:55 2015
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:24:55 -0700
Subject: Making icons
In-Reply-To: <D1E01567.6A646%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CANQHZSFYUNdAD7cOVtrWFp0hMBojdQcZs2kfUG=2y7RjXjdszg@mail.gmail.com>
	<635607A6-FC6D-42EA-830D-9E7CB4428DC4@pacifier.com>
	<12450588-8134-4FA1-84FE-06AE183CD37B@hyperactivesw.com>
	<098C54CC-7833-403E-BF51-5E0D3AA3E2B3@pacifier.com>
	<D1E01567.6A646%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <39E43694-4133-4FF9-B4CB-2A7AAC38F49F@pacifier.com>

Thanks Scott.

I bought it and it works nice.

John Balgenorth


On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> If your system is OS X:
> 
> Icon Slate
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/icon-slate/id439697913?mt=12
> 
> Only $5, highly recommended.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 08:38:42 2015
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 08:38:42 -0400
Subject: setprop handlers for custom property sets
In-Reply-To: <loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
References: <55BA4EF2.1060301@researchware.com>
	<loom.20150730T223100-782@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <96E22562-D82C-425A-9396-3E9C941E0B99@gmail.com>

On Jul 30, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Paul Dupuis <paul at ...> writes:
> 
>> 
>> The LC 6.7.5 dictionary entry for setProp has the following:
>> 
>> If the custom property you want to control is in a custom property set,
>> use array notation in the first line of the setProp handler, as in the
>> following example:
> 
> Interesting. I do see that in the documentation, but I've never used that.
> The way I've always dealt with custom property sets is to switch context:
> 
> set the customPropertySet of <object> to <name>
> set the <property> of <object> to <whatever>
> get the <property> of <object>
> set the customPropertySet of <object> to empty
> 
> I think this makes for a cleaner, easier-to-read format anyway.

I use these, an easy and modular approach:

on setCustomProp pObjRef, pPropSet, pProp, pValue
   -- modeled after deleteCustomProp
   -- not sure where this comes from
   
   put the custompropertyset of pObjRef into oldPropSet
   set the custompropertyset of pObjRef to pPropSet
   set the pProp of pObjRef to pValue
   set the custompropertyset of pObjRef to oldPropSet
end setCustomProp

function getCustomProp pObjRef, pProp, pPropSet
   -- modeled after deleteCustomProp
   -- not sure where this comes from
   -- if pPropSet = empty then uses the default custompropertyset
   
   put the custompropertyset of pObjRef into oldPropSet
   set the custompropertyset of pObjRef to pPropSet
   put the pProp of pObjRef into tValue
   set the custompropertyset of pObjRef to oldPropSet
   return tValue
end getCustomProp

on deleteCustomProp pObjRef, pProp, pPropSet
   -- not sure where this comes from, it's not mine
   -- thanks to <whoever> !
   
   put the custompropertyset of pObjRef into oldPropSet
   set the custompropertyset of pObjRef to pPropSet
   put the customkeys of pObjRef into keysList
   set the wholematches to true
   put lineoffset(pProp,keysList) into propLine
   if propLine <> 0 then
      delete line propLine of keysList
      set the customkeys of pObjRef to keysList
   end if
   set the custompropertyset of pObjRef to oldPropSet
end deleteCustomProp

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Jul 31 08:41:44 2015
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:41:44 +0200
Subject: OT-ish: Dreamhost and LiveCode?
Message-ID: <62BBB115-C4DB-470E-A885-F0E096DF4869@mac.com>

Way back in May there was a discussion of hosting companies that were reliable and LiveCode friendly. Dreamhost was picked out as a good?un, but at the time there seemed to be some doubt about the speed of LiveCode Server on the platform.

Can anyone say what the status is now? I?m looking for a US-based LiveCode-friendly hosting organisation for a modest commercial web presence (by ?commercial?, I mean it will sell downloads).

TIA for any current info.

Graham


From alex at tweedly.org  Fri Jul 31 10:03:37 2015
From: alex at tweedly.org (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 15:03:37 +0100
Subject: OT-ish: Dreamhost and LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <62BBB115-C4DB-470E-A885-F0E096DF4869@mac.com>
References: <62BBB115-C4DB-470E-A885-F0E096DF4869@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55BB8039.6010504@tweedly.org>

I've been happy with hostm.com - Livecode pre-installed and servers in 
Americas, Europe and Pacific Rim.

-- Alex.

On 31/07/2015 13:41, Graham Samuel wrote:
> Way back in May there was a discussion of hosting companies that were reliable and LiveCode friendly. Dreamhost was picked out as a good?un, but at the time there seemed to be some doubt about the speed of LiveCode Server on the platform.
>
> Can anyone say what the status is now? I?m looking for a US-based LiveCode-friendly hosting organisation for a modest commercial web presence (by ?commercial?, I mean it will sell downloads).
>
> TIA for any current info.
>
> Graham
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 31 11:29:24 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 08:29:24 -0700
Subject: Import Snapshot of Stack?
In-Reply-To: <D1E034A8.6A6AF%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D1E034A8.6A6AF%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <55BB9454.7070500@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
 > Anyone know if this is possible without referencing a windowID?
 >
 > This fails with a script error:
 > import snapshot from stack "xyz"
 >
 >
 > This defaults to selecting a region to capture and then fails:
 > import snapshot of stack "xyz"
 >
 >
 > This works, but clips the snapshot if any portion of the stack appears
 > outside the screenRect:
 > import snapshot from window windowID
 >
 > I'd prefer to avoid capturing the current card of a stack, but may
 > fall back to that.

Go with card if you can't guarantee placement of the window.

The "from" option renders the object into a new buffer set up just for 
the snapshot, while the older "of" syntax grabs the object's rect from 
the composite screen buffer.

LiveCode renders only the content region of a window but the window 
itself is rendered by the OS, so it has no choice but to obtain that 
image from the screen buffer.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From jbv at souslelogo.com  Fri Jul 31 11:48:58 2015
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 18:48:58 +0300
Subject: OT-ish: Dreamhost and LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <55BB8039.6010504@tweedly.org>
References: <62BBB115-C4DB-470E-A885-F0E096DF4869@mac.com>
	<55BB8039.6010504@tweedly.org>
Message-ID: <f0139c4484434101d777d03da91201ea.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>

> I've been happy with hostm.com - Livecode pre-installed and servers in
> Americas, Europe and Pacific Rim.
>
> -- Alex.
>

Alex,
Just curious : is it possible to chose a server on a specific continent ?

Thanks
jbv





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Jul 31 14:08:53 2015
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:08:53 -0700
Subject: OT-ish: Dreamhost and LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <62BBB115-C4DB-470E-A885-F0E096DF4869@mac.com>
References: <62BBB115-C4DB-470E-A885-F0E096DF4869@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55BBB9B5.5050800@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:
 > Way back in May there was a discussion of hosting companies that were
 > reliable and LiveCode friendly. Dreamhost was picked out as a
 > good?un, but at the time there seemed to be some doubt about the
 > speed of LiveCode Server on the platform.

Most hosting companies support CGI, so just about any will do.  I like 
Dreamhost, but I also really like InterServer, and many here have also 
had a good time with JaguarPC, HostGator, and others.

Any host with multiple redundant high-speed connections, on-site 
generators, nightly backups, and other baseline core competencies will 
be a good choice, and these days there are few that don't have those basics.

The only thing that I've seen much variance in is that there are still a 
small number of hosts that don't support SSH.   This makes them unusable 
for any serious work beyond simple static pages, because even if you're 
not a big fan of Terminal sooner or later you'll need to do something on 
that machine that's either difficult or impossible to do with FTP alone. 
  With ssh you can log in and it's as good as sitting at the desk with 
the machine in front of you, but without it you're hosed.  So always 
insist on ssh.  It's a godsend, even if you only use it occasionally.


 > Can anyone say what the status is now? I?m looking for a US-based
 > LiveCode-friendly hosting organisation for a modest commercial web
 > presence (by ?commercial?, I mean it will sell downloads).

That issue has since been clarified as not at all specific to Dreamhost. 
  To varying degrees it may be evident on any 64-bit system, which these 
days is pretty much all of them.

The symptom is that execution time of CGIs which had been measured in 
milliseconds using the v6.x engine were now taking as long as two or 
three seconds in some cases with the v7 engine.   This is much longer 
than anything attributable to Unicode or other areas where we've seen 
some performance degradation in v7, serious enough to merit specific 
attention since Web users have come to expect nearly instantaneous 
responses from modern server systems.

Phil Davis filed this bug report with LC, and initiated an investigation 
into the root cause with Dreamhost support:
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13983>'

Many kudos to Andrew and the three other Dreamhost engineers that lent a 
hand in pinning down the root cause, and to LiveCode's Mark Waddingham 
and Dr. Peter Brett for finding two solutions for it.

I'll outline the issue here, and briefly describe the current status of 
available solutions:


The issue isn't about 64-bitness per se, but that the 64-bit requirement 
means we can only use LC v7 or later, since v6.x and earlier are only 
available in 32-bit builds.

Among the many changes in v7 was improved support for Pango, the font 
subsystem used on Linux.  While these changes make for much better 
support for fonts on Linux, they've also added additional time to the 
boot sequence.   This additional time is small enough that it doesn't 
matter much in desktop apps, but CGI apps are by nature much more 
time-sensitive, since the engine is launched, runs, and dies with each 
request, so things that may not matter much on the desktop can matter a 
lot in a CGI environment.

Dreamhost and some other systems include a full set of fonts, and during 
startup LC obtains the location of the fonts folder and walks through 
each font file to initialize it for use.

This may seem unnecessary given that most CGIs only process text and 
never need to render fonts at all, but keep in mind that since v6.6 and 
later the server engine can now render graphics for some very 
interesting uses like customized postcards, diagrams, etc., so having 
access to fonts in that engine can potentially be every bit as useful as 
in a desktop app.

But the time required to init all those fonts adds up, so Waddingham and 
Brett came up with two solutions, a short-term workaround and some 
options for the long term:


Short-term workaround:

The trick is to tell LiveCode to use a different font folder than the 
one the system provides, ideally with only one simple font file in it.

Sounds easy enough in principle, but in practice it means creating a 
shell script to redefine the location of the font.conf file in the 
$FONT_CONFIG global, export that variable so child processes will use 
it, and then launch LiveCode as a child process.

With assistance from Waddingham and Brett I've been able to put this 
into place at livecodejournal.com, and the resulting performance is now 
on par with the earlier v6 setup I used to enjoy there.

I've been entrusted to document this workaround and provide the files 
needed to set it up, but client projects have been demanding so that 
article has had to sit on the back burner for a few weeks.  My 
apologies; I hope to have that completed soon.

If you find v7 CGI performance noticeably problematic in your 
applications, it would be helpful for me to gauge interest in this 
documentation effort, so please email me the URL to your affected web 
app at ambassador AT fourthworld.com .  If I get a lot of those requests 
I'll make an effort to prioritize that documentation accordingly, but it 
may also be that relatively few are affected, in which case maintaining 
a focus on keeping a roof over my head may not be a bad thing. :)  Happy 
to be of service if needed.


Long-term solution:

There are several options for modifying the engine's boot sequence to 
address this problem without requiring us to make cumbersome 
modifications to our site setup.

The simplest for us would be the hardest for the team: having the engine 
become smart enough in analyzing our scripts during boot so it can init 
only those things that are needed and bypass those that aren't.  So if 
you're using graphics output that will require fonts, it would do the 
font init, but if not it would skip it altogether.

However, that level of cleverness would take time to implement, so in my 
most recent comment at the bug report linked to above I proposed a 
middle path which would provide us with an easy setup while keeping the 
work of the engine team to a minimum:

Add an optional command line flag to turn off graphics initialization, 
including fonts.  I proposed using -g for this, similar to how we 
already have -ui for bypassing GUI initialization in the desktop engine.

For users this would mean that the subset of those who've noticed big 
slowdowns from font initialization could boost throughput by just adding 
that flag to their .htaccess directive.

For the team it means probably an hour or two's work to provide a 
solution that solve the problem well, while still leaving the door open 
for deeper changes they may consider later on.

I haven't yet heard back from the team on that proposal, but I hope 
they'll find it makes for a nice middle-path solution they can implement 
affordably and soon.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at livecode.org



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Jul 31 14:47:05 2015
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:47:05 -0700
Subject: OT-ish: Dreamhost and LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <55BBB9B5.5050800@fourthworld.com>
References: <62BBB115-C4DB-470E-A885-F0E096DF4869@mac.com>
	<55BBB9B5.5050800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJgOGtTBwM7MnuRQ4rTGnhySdfey-ZtkFuBhH_iVzGHkA@mail.gmail.com>

What Richard said about Interserver  ++



On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> Graham Samuel wrote:
> > Way back in May there was a discussion of hosting companies that were
> > reliable and LiveCode friendly. Dreamhost was picked out as a
> > good?un, but at the time there seemed to be some doubt about the
> > speed of LiveCode Server on the platform.
>
> Most hosting companies support CGI, so just about any will do.  I like
> Dreamhost, but I also really like InterServer, and many here have also had
> a good time with JaguarPC, HostGator, and others.




--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Jul 31 15:37:22 2015
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:37:22 -0500
Subject: OT-ish: Dreamhost and LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <55BBB9B5.5050800@fourthworld.com>
References: <62BBB115-C4DB-470E-A885-F0E096DF4869@mac.com>
	<55BBB9B5.5050800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <55BBCE72.5060202@hyperactivesw.com>

On 7/31/2015 1:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Add an optional command line flag to turn off graphics initialization,
> including fonts.  I proposed using -g for this, similar to how we
> already have -ui for bypassing GUI initialization in the desktop engine.

I'm for this. As developers, we are likely to know whether we need font 
support or not. Adding a flag would be easy.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Jul 31 17:23:35 2015
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 23:23:35 +0200
Subject: OT-ish: Dreamhost and LiveCode?  
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1438336802.10095.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1438336802.10095.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4ED8233B-8790-4075-827A-F9C1D054BE50@derbrill.de>

If this is governed via .httaccess it might be a bit tricky, as for one project you might not need font support, but for others you might need it. Would be better to be able to decide this at startup of the script IMHo. Not automatic searching, but maybe setting a property in the startup handler?

Cheers,

Malte


> > Add an optional command line flag to turn off graphics initialization,
> > including fonts.  I proposed using -g for this, similar to how we
> > already have -ui for bypassing GUI initialization in the desktop engine.
> 
> I'm for this. As developers, we are likely to know whether we need font 
> support or not. Adding a flag would be easy.



From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Fri Jul 31 17:48:26 2015
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:48:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Import Snapshot of Stack?
In-Reply-To: <55BB9454.7070500@fourthworld.com>
References: <D1E034A8.6A6AF%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<55BB9454.7070500@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1438379306225-4694529.post@n4.nabble.com>

Richard,

Thanks for that great tip! I was just grumbling about the poor image quality
of my exported snapshots (on Win7, LC 7.0.5). I tried your syntax "from
card" instead of a rect or object, and it's a night and day difference. 
Gradients, photos and type are much smoother in the image from the card,
even when I alter the size of the snapshot. 

Thanks again.
Tom Bodine



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From paul at livecode.org  Fri Jul 31 18:35:52 2015
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 15:35:52 -0700
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <D74D24D7-ADCD-4E43-9DFD-16F7DDDD7DD8@livecode.org>

Bill,

I?ve just read the following explanation from RG relating to another snapshot problem and wondered if it also relates to your student?s problems?

> 
> The "from" option renders the object into a new buffer set up just for the snapshot, while the older "of" syntax grabs the object's rect from the composite screen buffer.
> 
> LiveCode renders only the content region of a window but the window itself is rendered by the OS, so it has no choice but to obtain that image from the screen buffer.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com

When I first read your post I wondered if the problem could be due to low grade or incompatible video cards in the affected machines, if that?s the case then the above explanation would make sense, to me at least.

So, the question is, does your "export snapshot" script use the ?from? or ?of? option?

If it?s the ?of? option then switching to the ?from? option may fix the problem your students are seeing.

Just a thought.

Paul


> On Jul 16, 2015, at 14:07, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> I have an application that is being used by a class of Earth Science students and get failure reports from two who use Windows 8. One lives in Australia and one lives in Japan. The app works fine on Macintosh. I?ve also tested it on my own installation of both Windows 8.1 and 7, 32 bit and 64 bit versions. I can?t get the reported pixellation of the map and screen. 
> 
> I?m wondering if it is something related to foreign installations. The symptom is extreme pixellation of images captured with the "export snapshot? command. I live in the US.
> 
> So, I wonder if somebody with Windows 8 would be willing to download the app and try it, and perhaps give me an idea of what might be going on. If it?s a bug in ?snapshot?, it would be important to be reported and fixed. Otherwise, I?m pretty stuck on figuring out what is going on. 
> 
> Here are links:
> Windows zip file of the app:  <https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsn087vrhstxvg4/PT_Explorer-Windows.zip?dl=0>
> Pixellated Image sent by a student <https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer%20in%20Windows%208.1.pdf?dl=0>
> 
> Thanks for any help or feedback you can give me. 
> 
> Regards,
> Bill
> 
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org/
> 
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Regards,

Paul Hibbert
paul at livecode.org






From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Jul 31 18:48:30 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 00:48:30 +0200
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <EB5BA446-54AB-4E55-B2A5-B0916291FC13@earthednet.org>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
	<55ABC4AA.7000408@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7D688C6B-0EB8-4704-A6A1-1625B4593233@earthednet.org>
	<55ABE813.3080606@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E1755B8-B2FD-42D5-A225-647A7EF083B7@earthednet.org>
	<55AC2372.6000104@economy-x-talk.com>
	<DFF1369A-6790-4C07-8E1E-3A92CAEB6C43@earthednet.org>
	<55AC2EEC.9050402@economy-x-talk.com>
	<EB5BA446-54AB-4E55-B2A5-B0916291FC13@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <55BBFB3E.8010600@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Bill,

I just noticed the second paragraph of your message. I trust you have 
received the license by now. If not, let me know. I'm really glad you 
like the book enough to buy a replacement copy!

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Installer Maker for LiveCode:
http://qery.us/468

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 7/20/2015 05:10, William Prothero wrote:
> Mark:
> Thanks for testing this. It does give me more confidence that it?s some oddity on the student?s computer.
>
> FYI: I have bought your book (2 of ?em. I lost one)  and InstallerMaker (still haven?t gotten a license emailed, tho). The 3 days aren?t up, tho. Anyway, I?m looking forward to using it.
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>
>> Okay. With this info, I'm unable to see any pixelation.
>> I have tested the app on a 2.2 Ghz laptop with 4 GB built-in memory running Windows 8.1, i.e. nothing fancy and your students probably have a similar or better configuration. The sytem is Dutch.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>> http://qery.us/468
>>
>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>
>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>
>> On 7/20/2015 00:43, William Prothero wrote:
>>> Mark:
>>> Keeping in mind that the info I got was from my teacher/collaborator, Sabina Thomas, and her info was during an online video chat with one of her students in Japan, what I understand is that the pixellation showed up after opening the MAP part of the application, doing a profile plot, then plotting Quakes from the ?Select Data To Be Plotted? dropdown menu. That?s the information I have.
>>>
>>> I hope you don?t waste too much time on this because there is so little available information to help in debugging the situation. At this point, my solution is to try to get as many folks as possible to try it on Win8, and if the problem occurs again, beg, pay, whatever to get them to provide more detailed information about their computer and its settings. I think if you have any hunches or WIn8 idiosyncrasy info that could affect this, I could explore that further, but ?..
>>>
>>> I?m reluctant to bug Sabina?s student further about this. BUT, I am wondering if there is an app she might download that could send me information about her computer, that would help. Just thinking aloud. She might be willing to do that.
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking at this. I really appreciate it.
>>> Best,
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> _Where_ and _when_ should the pixelation show up exactly?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>
>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>
>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>
>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>
>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>
>>>> On 7/19/2015 23:42, William Prothero wrote:
>>>>> Mark:
>>>>> The pixellation should show up on the steps you took.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I don?t see it and another LiveCoder who downloaded it and played it on Windows 8 doesn?t see it. Lowering the screen resolution shows the effect, but that would show the entire window pixellated, and that isn?t what is shown on the image. Only the part that is snapshot?d shows the pixellation. It really stumps me. I?m wondering if there could be some kind of jpg difference between countries. I could understand possible font differences, but the problem is the snapshot area(s).
>>>>>
>>>>> I?m wondering if there could be some timing problem, rarely seen, where the snapshot is taken before the underlying image is fully updated. The map image is a big one, with its size and location changed, but the data plot is just a group of lines and fields which is displayed, then snapshot?d.
>>>>>
>>>>> Debugging this seems hopeless without being able to reproduce the effect, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this stage,  unless there is something about Windows and ?png? files in Japan, perhaps with a different language, I don?t know how to debug it. It?s very hard to get students to give feedback, after the assignment is over and they are onto other things. Probably also unfair to ask them to participate in debugging. So, I only ask once.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of my debugging strategies is to ask grad students at the UCSB geology dept. to try the program and I pay them $20 for feedback. I may try that strategy and if they see it, and I could get hold of their computer, something might pop out.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: I put the apps and problem images on my web site at:
>>>>> lhttp://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html <http://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> Very odd.
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I performed step 1 till 7. What are the steps to check if anything relevant is extremely pixelated?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/19/2015 19:09, William Prothero wrote:
>>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>>>> Thanks for looking at the app.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instructions:
>>>>>>> 1. launch app
>>>>>>> 2. Click on ?Begin? button with option key down.
>>>>>>> 3. At Welcome screen, click on ?Go To Map? button
>>>>>>> 4. At Map screen, select ?Quakes? form the dropdown labeled ?Select data to be plotted?
>>>>>>> 5. Click on ?Save Map Image? (optional)
>>>>>>> 6. Click on the ?+? magnifier button, move the mouse over the map, and then click. The magnifier symbol should move with the mouse.
>>>>>>> 7. Make an elevation plot by first clicking on the ?Make A Profile? checkbox, then drag the mouse across a segment of the map image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The snapshot is taken whenever the map screen changes. Symbol data are drawn into the snapshot image data. The map is a very large jpeg, which is reduced, then the snapshot is taken. When the map is magnified (by increments of a factor of 2), or moved, a new snapshot is taken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It appears that the pixellation occurs at the snapshot step. There is a region below the map (initially grey) that holds the data plots. This plot is created by creating the various graphic elements (fields, boxes, lines), then a snapshot taken, and then the plot elements deleted. The plot image is then the snapshot. This was also shown as pixellated (by the student with the problem), so I think it is most likely a snapshot problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks so much for looking at this, Mark!! I have not been able to duplicate this problem on my Parallels hosted Windows 8.1 system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had a look at your app. There is no "export snapshot" button or menu item. Please, provide instructions as brief as possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>>>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>>>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>>>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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From brahma at hindu.org  Fri Jul 31 18:52:53 2015
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:52:53 -1000
Subject: restore selection from selectedChunk expression
Message-ID: <55BBFC45.3070701@hindu.org>

If we make a text selection and store it as a selectedChunk string

e.g

gCurrentSelection


which them would have say... a value of

char 669 to 1094 of field 6

How to I re-select that text?

global gCurrentSelection
on mouseUp
    set the backgroundcolor of gCurrentSelection to yellow
end mouseUp

works'

but

global gCurrentSelection
on mouseUp
   selectgCurrentSelection
end mouseUp

does not... an i can't find a way to re-set the selection ....





-- 
Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Jul 31 19:03:03 2015
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 01:03:03 +0200
Subject: restore selection from selectedChunk expression
In-Reply-To: <55BBFC45.3070701@hindu.org>
References: <55BBFC45.3070701@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <55BBFEA7.4000709@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Perhaps there are more elegant ways, but a quick solution would be

do "select" && gCurrentSelection

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Installer Maker for LiveCode:
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Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

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On 8/1/2015 00:52, Brahmanathaswami wrote:
> If we make a text selection and store it as a selectedChunk string
>
> e.g
>
> gCurrentSelection
>
>
> which them would have say... a value of
>
> char 669 to 1094 of field 6
>
> How to I re-select that text?
>
> global gCurrentSelection
> on mouseUp
>     set the backgroundcolor of gCurrentSelection to yellow
> end mouseUp
>
> works'
>
> but
>
> global gCurrentSelection
> on mouseUp
>    selectgCurrentSelection
> end mouseUp
>
> does not... an i can't find a way to re-set the selection ....
>
>
>
>
>



From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 31 19:58:49 2015
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 00:58:49 +0100
Subject: OT-ish: Dreamhost and LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <f0139c4484434101d777d03da91201ea.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
References: <62BBB115-C4DB-470E-A885-F0E096DF4869@mac.com>	<55BB8039.6010504@tweedly.org>
	<f0139c4484434101d777d03da91201ea.squirrel@continental.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <55BC0BB9.6090904@tweedly.net>

I've never asked. I can't see why they wouldn't allow it.

-- Alex.

On 31/07/2015 16:48, jbv at souslelogo.com wrote:
>> I've been happy with hostm.com - Livecode pre-installed and servers in
>> Americas, Europe and Pacific Rim.
>>
>> -- Alex.
>>
> Alex,
> Just curious : is it possible to chose a server on a specific continent ?
>
> Thanks
> jbv
>
>
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Jul 31 20:03:01 2015
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2015 01:03:01 +0100
Subject: OT-ish: Dreamhost and LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <55BBB9B5.5050800@fourthworld.com>
References: <62BBB115-C4DB-470E-A885-F0E096DF4869@mac.com>
	<55BBB9B5.5050800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <55BC0CB5.7020008@tweedly.net>

If the issue is just with fonts, why have the flag be "-g" to turn off 
all graphics ?
Why not "-f" to turn off font initialization ?

I have a number of scripts that render graphics (resize images, 
on-the-fly thumbnails, etc.) but none that need to render fonts, and I'd 
imagine there are various other reasons why you might want to keep some 
graphics capabilities without ever needing to do anything with 
text+graphics on a server

btw - I agree with Malte it should (somehow) be done per-script rather 
than more globally.

Regards
Alex.



On 31/07/2015 19:08, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Add an optional command line flag to turn off graphics initialization, 
> including fonts.  I proposed using -g for this, similar to how we 
> already have -ui for bypassing GUI initialization in the desktop engine.
>
> For users this would mean that the subset of those who've noticed big 
> slowdowns from font initialization could boost throughput by just 
> adding that flag to their .htaccess directive.
>




From prothero at earthednet.org  Fri Jul 31 20:56:27 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (EED-wp Email)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 17:56:27 -0700
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <55BBFB3E.8010600@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
	<55ABC4AA.7000408@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7D688C6B-0EB8-4704-A6A1-1625B4593233@earthednet.org>
	<55ABE813.3080606@economy-x-talk.com>
	<2E1755B8-B2FD-42D5-A225-647A7EF083B7@earthednet.org>
	<55AC2372.6000104@economy-x-talk.com>
	<DFF1369A-6790-4C07-8E1E-3A92CAEB6C43@earthednet.org>
	<55AC2EEC.9050402@economy-x-talk.com>
	<EB5BA446-54AB-4E55-B2A5-B0916291FC13@earthednet.org>
	<55BBFB3E.8010600@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C844BA8E-0EE1-420C-A088-A913DE1532E6@earthednet.org>

Mark,
I got it. Haven't seriously used it yet, but will very soon. 
Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> I just noticed the second paragraph of your message. I trust you have received the license by now. If not, let me know. I'm really glad you like the book enough to buy a replacement copy!
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
> 
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
> 
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> 
>> On 7/20/2015 05:10, William Prothero wrote:
>> Mark:
>> Thanks for testing this. It does give me more confidence that it?s some oddity on the student?s computer.
>> 
>> FYI: I have bought your book (2 of ?em. I lost one)  and InstallerMaker (still haven?t gotten a license emailed, tho). The 3 days aren?t up, tho. Anyway, I?m looking forward to using it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay. With this info, I'm unable to see any pixelation.
>>> I have tested the app on a 2.2 Ghz laptop with 4 GB built-in memory running Windows 8.1, i.e. nothing fancy and your students probably have a similar or better configuration. The sytem is Dutch.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark Schonewille
>>> 
>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>> KvK: 50277553
>>> 
>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>> http://qery.us/468
>>> 
>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>> 
>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>> 
>>>> On 7/20/2015 00:43, William Prothero wrote:
>>>> Mark:
>>>> Keeping in mind that the info I got was from my teacher/collaborator, Sabina Thomas, and her info was during an online video chat with one of her students in Japan, what I understand is that the pixellation showed up after opening the MAP part of the application, doing a profile plot, then plotting Quakes from the ?Select Data To Be Plotted? dropdown menu. That?s the information I have.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope you don?t waste too much time on this because there is so little available information to help in debugging the situation. At this point, my solution is to try to get as many folks as possible to try it on Win8, and if the problem occurs again, beg, pay, whatever to get them to provide more detailed information about their computer and its settings. I think if you have any hunches or WIn8 idiosyncrasy info that could affect this, I could explore that further, but ?..
>>>> 
>>>> I?m reluctant to bug Sabina?s student further about this. BUT, I am wondering if there is an app she might download that could send me information about her computer, that would help. Just thinking aloud. She might be willing to do that.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for looking at this. I really appreciate it.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> _Where_ and _when_ should the pixelation show up exactly?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>> 
>>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>> 
>>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>> 
>>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>> 
>>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/19/2015 23:42, William Prothero wrote:
>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>>> The pixellation should show up on the steps you took.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, I don?t see it and another LiveCoder who downloaded it and played it on Windows 8 doesn?t see it. Lowering the screen resolution shows the effect, but that would show the entire window pixellated, and that isn?t what is shown on the image. Only the part that is snapshot?d shows the pixellation. It really stumps me. I?m wondering if there could be some kind of jpg difference between countries. I could understand possible font differences, but the problem is the snapshot area(s).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I?m wondering if there could be some timing problem, rarely seen, where the snapshot is taken before the underlying image is fully updated. The map image is a big one, with its size and location changed, but the data plot is just a group of lines and fields which is displayed, then snapshot?d.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Debugging this seems hopeless without being able to reproduce the effect, though.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At this stage,  unless there is something about Windows and ?png? files in Japan, perhaps with a different language, I don?t know how to debug it. It?s very hard to get students to give feedback, after the assignment is over and they are onto other things. Probably also unfair to ask them to participate in debugging. So, I only ask once.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One of my debugging strategies is to ask grad students at the UCSB geology dept. to try the program and I pay them $20 for feedback. I may try that strategy and if they see it, and I could get hold of their computer, something might pop out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> BTW: I put the apps and problem images on my web site at:
>>>>>> lhttp://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html <http://earthednet.org/downloads/index.html>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Very odd.
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I performed step 1 till 7. What are the steps to check if anything relevant is extremely pixelated?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 7/19/2015 19:09, William Prothero wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mark:
>>>>>>>> Thanks for looking at the app.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Instructions:
>>>>>>>> 1. launch app
>>>>>>>> 2. Click on ?Begin? button with option key down.
>>>>>>>> 3. At Welcome screen, click on ?Go To Map? button
>>>>>>>> 4. At Map screen, select ?Quakes? form the dropdown labeled ?Select data to be plotted?
>>>>>>>> 5. Click on ?Save Map Image? (optional)
>>>>>>>> 6. Click on the ?+? magnifier button, move the mouse over the map, and then click. The magnifier symbol should move with the mouse.
>>>>>>>> 7. Make an elevation plot by first clicking on the ?Make A Profile? checkbox, then drag the mouse across a segment of the map image.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The snapshot is taken whenever the map screen changes. Symbol data are drawn into the snapshot image data. The map is a very large jpeg, which is reduced, then the snapshot is taken. When the map is magnified (by increments of a factor of 2), or moved, a new snapshot is taken.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It appears that the pixellation occurs at the snapshot step. There is a region below the map (initially grey) that holds the data plots. This plot is created by creating the various graphic elements (fields, boxes, lines), then a snapshot taken, and then the plot elements deleted. The plot image is then the snapshot. This was also shown as pixellated (by the student with the problem), so I think it is most likely a snapshot problem.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks so much for looking at this, Mark!! I have not been able to duplicate this problem on my Parallels hosted Windows 8.1 system.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I had a look at your app. There is no "export snapshot" button or menu item. Please, provide instructions as brief as possible.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>>>>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>>>>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>>>>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Fri Jul 31 20:55:00 2015
From: prothero at earthednet.org (EED-wp Email)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 17:55:00 -0700
Subject: Odd behavior in Win8-I'm stuck fixing it, Help??
In-Reply-To: <D74D24D7-ADCD-4E43-9DFD-16F7DDDD7DD8@livecode.org>
References: <8F200619-C73C-465A-A36C-3EA1387E8619@earthednet.org>
	<D74D24D7-ADCD-4E43-9DFD-16F7DDDD7DD8@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <8224D633-99E4-46F8-A5B6-7FCB8F33217E@earthednet.org>

Tom,
Great call! I'll check it out. Dtill on the road, so it will take a couple ofdays. 
Thanks,
Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> I?ve just read the following explanation from RG relating to another snapshot problem and wondered if it also relates to your student?s problems?
> 
>> 
>> The "from" option renders the object into a new buffer set up just for the snapshot, while the older "of" syntax grabs the object's rect from the composite screen buffer.
>> 
>> LiveCode renders only the content region of a window but the window itself is rendered by the OS, so it has no choice but to obtain that image from the screen buffer.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Systems
>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> ____________________________________________________________________
>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
> When I first read your post I wondered if the problem could be due to low grade or incompatible video cards in the affected machines, if that?s the case then the above explanation would make sense, to me at least.
> 
> So, the question is, does your "export snapshot" script use the ?from? or ?of? option?
> 
> If it?s the ?of? option then switching to the ?from? option may fix the problem your students are seeing.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 14:07, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> I have an application that is being used by a class of Earth Science students and get failure reports from two who use Windows 8. One lives in Australia and one lives in Japan. The app works fine on Macintosh. I?ve also tested it on my own installation of both Windows 8.1 and 7, 32 bit and 64 bit versions. I can?t get the reported pixellation of the map and screen. 
>> 
>> I?m wondering if it is something related to foreign installations. The symptom is extreme pixellation of images captured with the "export snapshot? command. I live in the US.
>> 
>> So, I wonder if somebody with Windows 8 would be willing to download the app and try it, and perhaps give me an idea of what might be going on. If it?s a bug in ?snapshot?, it would be important to be reported and fixed. Otherwise, I?m pretty stuck on figuring out what is going on. 
>> 
>> Here are links:
>> Windows zip file of the app:  <https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsn087vrhstxvg4/PT_Explorer-Windows.zip?dl=0>
>> Pixellated Image sent by a student <https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2frv9i0dg7mxtp/Explorer%20in%20Windows%208.1.pdf?dl=0>
>> 
>> Thanks for any help or feedback you can give me. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>> 
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> Regards,
> 
> Paul Hibbert
> paul at livecode.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
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