Licensing issues [was: Re: LC 8 DP 11]
sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de
sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de
Fri Dec 18 12:38:22 EST 2015
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 11:35:50 Mark Waddingham<mark at livecode.com> wrote
in response to Peter Brett:
>> On 2015-12-14 11:21, Peter TB Brett wrote:
>> Hi Wilhelm,
>>> I find this newly installed monitoring process controlling the
>>> of older, but already fully installed versions an outright
>>> nuisance. Is this part of the new licensing policies that restrict the
>>> use of LC-Indy versions to the license span you have paid for? I have
>>> got a commercial version extending until August 2016, which - as I
>>> understand it - enables me to use (and produce standalones) with this
>>> commercial version even beyond August 2016.
>> I'm afraid that that's not correct -- when your current commercial
>> license expires in August 2016, you will not be able to use any
>> commercial version of LiveCode or use them to create standalones
>> unless you renew your license.
> This isn't quite correct - it depends on the type of commercial license
> you received for each LiveCode version you have bought in the past. All
> licensing issues are best dealt with by contactingsupport at livecode.com
> - so please use that channel in future rather than the mailing list.
> Up until the subscription model style license was introduced, the
> LiveCode Commercial License was perpetual per version. i.e. If you had a
> license for a particular version when it was released you can continue
> to use it forever. Since the subcription model style license was
> introduced, there are no (new) perpetual licenses - your right to use a
> commercial version of LiveCode which you have received under the new
> style license ceases as soon as that license lapses.
Hi Peter and Mark,
There we have two different views on this problem from two members of
the Livecode team, and I am inclined to judge that Mark is fully right here.
I aquired my present "perpetual" commercial license in 2012 - valid
until August 2013 -, which was then prolonged until August 15, 2016,
because of my contributions to the Kickstarter campaign in 2013.
Today I asked Kevin to clarify this issue, writing
> Another related question needs to be clarified from your side. To my
> knowledge (and we had a general conversation about this on the lists
> some time ago)
> 1. a once purchased commercial version allowed to produce standalones
> even after the point in time the license had "expired". and
> 2. of course it did not allow - this was never questioned - to get
> updates and upgrades after the expiration date
> This is common practice for other software producers as well (as
> examples: Photoshop, PaintshopPro, Dreamweaver etc.) even if they
> have meanwhile changed the rules for "new" licenses. Adobe has also
> switched to a "subscription" model, but the previously bought and
> licensed versions can of course continued to be used forever.
> In the light of these legal conditions I think that the information in
> the Livecode FAQ
> "Can I continue to build closed source apps if my Commercial license
> needs to be corrected to that effect that the respective FAQ-text only
> applies to *newly* bought "Commercial" (or Indy and Business) licenses.
I hope very much I get an answer from Kevin that confirms Mark's view.
Indy-license, which starts on August 16, 2016, and is valid until August
15, 2018. I wrote:
> I am used to have Livecode available for development both at home and
> office, and additionally on a laptop when traveling, and such a work
> environment is essential for me.
> The least I expect from the side of Livecode is that my present
> commercial license until August 15, 2016, and its conditions are
> respected. I would be forced to think about how to proceed in case the
> Indy-license only allows Livecode to be installed on only one
> computer. My decision in such a situation would not exclude the
> possibility to revoke my added Indy license (I think you would be so
> nice to "refund" me) and look for other development tools for my
> further work and intentions.
I surely cannot afford the present Business license, but could live with
a new Indy-license starting August 2016, provided the Indy license
allows me to install Livecode - and different versions of it - more than
one time on one or more computers. If this condition cannot be met
(along with the possibility to perpetually use a kind of commercial
available until August 15, 2016) I feel forced to end my long-time
relationship of about 20 years with Hypercard, Metacard, Revolution,
and Livecode, which indeed was a valuable part of my professional work
and private interests.
I think the focus of any new marketing strategy should first be to
produce and deliver a stable product and only then think about
increasing profits, but thereby avoiding to impose severe restrictions
on longtime and loyal supporters.
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