From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Jul 1 00:31:00 2014 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 21:31:00 -0700 Subject: imageData In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Wondering if there's a good reason why the imageData property of an image > is not included in its properties? > perhaps because the missing properties' data are either huge or multi-dimensional *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* From monte at sweattechnologies.com Tue Jul 1 00:39:52 2014 From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 14:39:52 +1000 Subject: imageData In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35897893-F77F-4111-8D4D-55E9DD7E079D@sweattechnologies.com> On 1 Jul 2014, at 2:31 pm, stephen barncard wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Wondering if there's a good reason why the imageData property of an image >> is not included in its properties? >> > > perhaps because the missing properties' data are either huge or > multi-dimensional It's due to the no duplication rule of the properties property. imageData and alphaData are both covered by the text property in the same way text, unicodeText, styledText, rtfText is represented by htmlText. Cheers Monte From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Tue Jul 1 01:38:43 2014 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 22:38:43 -0700 Subject: Launch URL to run Windows program using command line switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90535427618.20140630223843@ahsoftware.net> Bill- Monday, June 30, 2014, 7:03:25 PM, you wrote: > The cmd window in Windows7 supports command line options for .lnk > files so I wonder if this is a LiveCode limitation of the launch > command. For .lnk files, check out the aliasReference function. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. From bvlahos at mac.com Tue Jul 1 02:34:49 2014 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:34:49 -0700 Subject: Launch URL to run Windows program using command line switches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50B64EFE-938F-4D28-9224-368B6E4959F4@mac.com> So I spoke too soon. It looks like the launch command doesn?t actually send command line options but rather sends the command to open the specified document by the specified application. So I can open the application with the document but not actually send it parameters other than to open a document which is not what I?m looking for. Bill Vlahos On Jun 30, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > Skip, > > This is great. I?ve been struggling with this for a couple of weeks now without success. > > This works for me when I point to a .exe file but not if I point to a link file (.lnk) such as in the Start Menu folder. The reason I want to use the .lnk file in Start Menu is that the actual application may be installed in a number of locations (Program Files, Program Files (x86), file server, etc.) but there is always a .lnk file in the Start Menu when the application is installed. > > The cmd window in Windows7 supports command line options for .lnk files so I wonder if this is a LiveCode limitation of the launch command. > > Thanks for the timely posting. > > Bill Vlahos > > On Jun 30, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote: > >> Got it working. Ended up with this to get it working: >> >> launch "c:/Program Files (x86)/MyProgram/file.exe /P >> ""E&"myfile.txt""E >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel < >> skip at magicgate.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello LC'ers, >>> >>> I need to launch a function within my LC application. How would I >>> properly format a launch URL statement that launches a file with command >>> line options? For instance, what I need to launch is: >>> >>> C:\Program Files (x86)\MyProgram\file.exe /P "myfile.txt" >>> >>> Every way I try to format the statement it does not work and get a "can't >>> open file." >>> >>> Here is what I am currently trying but failing miserably with: >>> launch url "file:c:\Program Files (x86)\MyProgram\file.exe /P >>> ""E&"myfile.txt""E >>> >>> Your help is always appreciated! >>> >>> SKIP >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From bvlahos at mac.com Tue Jul 1 03:11:33 2014 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 00:11:33 -0700 Subject: Launch URL to run Windows program using command line switches In-Reply-To: <90535427618.20140630223843@ahsoftware.net> References: <90535427618.20140630223843@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <259433CD-DA45-420E-9365-7DDC2327BA94@mac.com> Mark, Bingo! I have it working now and it is a bit convoluted. The aliasReference command in conjunction with knowing the actual path to the Start Menu makes it work. Here is the final code for Windows. set the hideConsoleWindows to true ?so we don?t get the cmd window flashing put the aliasReference of "C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Start Menu/Programs/Zultys MX/MXIE.lnk" into tLInk ?actual path to .lnk file put tLink && "mxie cmd=show;call=" & vNumber into vLink ?combine the dial command with the phone number to dial get shell(quote & vLink & quote) ?execute the shell command Whew! Thanks everyone. Bill Vlahos On Jun 30, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Bill- > > Monday, June 30, 2014, 7:03:25 PM, you wrote: > >> The cmd window in Windows7 supports command line options for .lnk >> files so I wonder if this is a LiveCode limitation of the launch >> command. > > For .lnk files, check out the aliasReference function. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > ahsoftware at gmail.com > > This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National > Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not > consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any > related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, > disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received > this communication in error, please delete it immediately. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From david at viral.academy Tue Jul 1 05:40:45 2014 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:40:45 +0100 Subject: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode In-Reply-To: <1404170023634-4680747.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1404170023634-4680747.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks Alejandro - I just tested and on OSX with revBrowserOpenCEF (which is Chrome 32) - I get a score of 472 rather than 503 for Chrome 32. It looks like webRTC is not available on Chrome 32 version in CEF for OSX. I'm not sure about Android and iOS versions yet? On 1 July 2014 00:13, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > According to http://html5test.com/ > this new Chromium Embedded Framework > is identified as Chrome 31 and scores 450 > from 555 points. > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=20501 > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WebRTC-support-and-Chromium-Embedded-Framework-in-LiveCode-tp4680734p4680747.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From feliphil at gmx.net Tue Jul 1 06:38:32 2014 From: feliphil at gmx.net (Wolfgang Keller) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 12:38:32 +0200 Subject: OT : Advice on SQL database design In-Reply-To: References: <53B1FF90.1070609@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <20140701123832.e38e8b934de124d7ecef6dd1@gmx.net> > lcSQL Software Have you ever thought of implementing something like a "Naked Objects" framework for Livecode? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_objects https://isis.apache.org/intro/learning-more/Pawson-Naked-Objects-thesis.pdf Sincerely, Wolfgang From feliphil at gmx.net Tue Jul 1 06:38:39 2014 From: feliphil at gmx.net (Wolfgang Keller) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 12:38:39 +0200 Subject: OT : Advice on SQL database design In-Reply-To: <53B1FF90.1070609@tweedly.net> References: <53B1FF90.1070609@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <20140701123839.58a92abe37d527d9a25adda1@gmx.net> > I guess there's a meta-question about "what's a good book/source on > SQL database design ?" http://tinyurl.com/mrab534 http://tinyurl.com/md84k87 Sincerely, Wolfgang From rjb at robelko.com Tue Jul 1 08:17:15 2014 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 14:17:15 +0200 Subject: OT : Advice on SQL database design In-Reply-To: <53B1FF90.1070609@tweedly.net> References: <53B1FF90.1070609@tweedly.net> Message-ID: On 01.07.2014 at 1:23 Uhr +0100 Alex Tweedly apparently wrote: >I guess there's a meta-question about "what's a good book/source on >SQL database design ?" > >I am trying to design a database. There is one table which contains, >let's say, Armed Forces Personnel > - each row is a different person > - columns include the obvious .... name, date of birth, ... that >are common to all > - there is a column saying which armed force the person is in > - and then there are additional, DIFFERENT fields depending on >which one it is > You will get lots of advice, I am sure. Database design is a science and an art. What helps often is to identify data along the lines of lists -- lists of values that are more or less fixed, like types of armed forces data -- info that is varied from data record to record, like people names links -- tables that cross-connect data and lists (but also may have own fields related to that connection, like a date of cross-linking) Such division is not fixed but it helps to identify different types of information and initial structure. Things to consider in the next step are variations (like people changing names), permutations (like people belonging to more than one armed force or changing their skills), expansions (like incorporation of addditional lists or further personal data), whether list data need to be frozen (here I mean that renaming an entry in a list will automatically rename it for all records; however, in some database, the entry for a given record should remain as it was at the time of entry even if the list is reworked later on), etc. Next you consider various views and reports that you need to produce and see whether the structure supports them without too many complications. Robert From mark at sorcery-ltd.co.uk Tue Jul 1 09:08:42 2014 From: mark at sorcery-ltd.co.uk (Mark Wilcox) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 06:08:42 -0700 Subject: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode In-Reply-To: References: <1404170023634-4680747.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1404220122.11084.136508601.57A4E13F@webmail.messagingengine.com> I assume CEF doesn't build the WebRTC support in the Chromium project by default because it has extra dependencies on the audio stack. I guess LiveCode could include such support if it wanted. Does LiveCode plan to bundle CEF on Android? Given the built-in web view in Android is already based on Chromium that would seem like a lot of bloat for little gain. For iOS it's against the App Store rules to include your own browser engine (no downloadable code execution allowed) and not even technically possible to ship the V8 JavaScript engine (because you can't mark memory both writable and executable - so can't ship your own JIT compiler). As far as I know Safari doesn't yet support WebRTC on Mac OS or iOS. Even when it does, there's not yet any guarantee that it will have a common video codec with other implementations because the standards people can't agree on a mandatory one. -- Mark Wilcox mark at sorcery-ltd.co.uk On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 02:40 AM, David Bovill wrote: > Thanks Alejandro - I just tested and on OSX with revBrowserOpenCEF (which > is Chrome 32) - I get a score of 472 rather than 503 for Chrome 32. It > looks like webRTC is not available on Chrome 32 version in CEF for OSX. > > I'm not sure about Android and iOS versions yet? > > > On 1 July 2014 00:13, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > > > According to http://html5test.com/ > > this new Chromium Embedded Framework > > is identified as Chrome 31 and scores 450 > > from 555 points. > > > > http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=20501 > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > > http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/WebRTC-support-and-Chromium-Embedded-Framework-in-LiveCode-tp4680734p4680747.html > > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From cmsheffield at icloud.com Tue Jul 1 10:39:15 2014 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 08:39:15 -0600 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59CD9635-E77E-43AD-A25A-29BA267F7EC6@icloud.com> Vaughn, Not sure if you?ve received a response yet or not, but here are my answers as based on my experience. Yes, you must use iTunes Connect in order to begin the app submission process. It?s iTunes Connect that ultimately ?connects? everything together. That?s where you?ll create your app, upload the large app icon (1024x1024), upload screen shots, and specify other information (pricing, description, etc.). It?s mostly self explanatory I think. Once you?ve gone through the steps and are ready to submit your actual app bundle, you use Application Loader, which is part of Xcode. You shouldn?t need to add any extra code to your open stack script to handle multiple screen resolutions, so long as you?re using a version of LiveCode that supports auto resizing/scaling. I imagine you already are, but just double check that. If you don?t have a retina screen device to test on (I would highly recommend trying to get your hands on one, if not), at the very least you should test using the simulator. You can simulate a retina screen device by selecting the appropriate options in the Hardware menu while the simulator is running. Are you using any images in your app? If so, and you want them to look nice and crisp on the retina screen, you?ll need @2x versions of each of your images. Of course, maybe you?re going the simple route and don?t need to do any of this. I?m sure there?s a guide somewhere for the different sizes for the splash screen, screen shots, and icon sizes, but honestly, I find them to be confusing. :-) The following should help a bit. For iTunes Connect, screen shots either have to be 1024 x 768, or 2048 x 1536. You don?t have to submit both sizes. Lately I?ve just been submitting the larger size. I believe the app store scales them as needed. I believe you have to submit at least one screen shot. For the splash screen, the same sizes apply, but you *must* have one at each size if you?re supporting both screen types. For the app icon sizes, this is where it gets fun. For non-retina, pre-iOS 7 devices (if you?re supporting those) you need a 72x72 size icon. For retina, pre-iOS 7 devices (not sure why anyone would have a device like this, but I suppose it?s possible) you?ll double that, so 144x144. For non-retina iOS 7 devices (iPad 2) you need a 76x76 icon. For retina iOS 7 devices, you need 152x152. Yes, you need four different icon sizes if you?re supporting all iPads and versions of iOS. I?m sure you know, but there are places for each of these in the standalone application settings under the iOS tab. And it?ll warn you if you try to use an icon that?s not the correct size. Hopefully that answers your questions. And hopefully someone will correct me if I?m wrong about any of this. Good luck, Chris -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com On Jun 30, 2014, at 5:47 PM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > Hi > > This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of work. > > I have a few questions: > > Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last several > months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files for > submission to iTunes? > > Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x 768 iPad > screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? > > Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash screen, > and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect > submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and resolutions? > What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the two > approaches? > > Thank you > > Vaughn Clement > > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > * > Skype: vaughn.clement > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > LogMeIn also avaialble > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > Ph. 928-254-9062 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From vclement at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 10:44:10 2014 From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 07:44:10 -0700 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I am following the guidelines in this link on the Apple developer site. https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/AppDistributionGuide/SubmittingYourApp/SubmittingYourApp.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012582-CH9-SW1 In the LiveCode standalone setup when I select iPad and Landscape, the selections for the setup are reduced. I noted that the Retina screens are available to be added. I developed the app in 1024 x 768 not retina so I have no way to obtain screens with this setting. Does Apple kick if the retina screens are not provided? The same question is for the icons for the app store. Are hiRes Retina icons required? Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ * Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > Hi > > This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of work. > > I have a few questions: > > Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last several > months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files for > submission to iTunes? > > Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x 768 iPad > screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? > > Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash screen, > and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect > submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and resolutions? > What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the two > approaches? > > Thank you > > Vaughn Clement > > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > * > Skype: vaughn.clement > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > LogMeIn also avaialble > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > Ph. 928-254-9062 > > From cmsheffield at icloud.com Tue Jul 1 11:01:02 2014 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 09:01:02 -0600 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31DC3A0C-8905-444F-A421-CB1D5924B87B@icloud.com> I?m not totally sure about all the requirements to be honest. I?m not sure if apps will be rejected if icons are missing. Does anyone else know? My company has always supported all iPad models, so I?ve just gotten use to providing everything that LiveCode has a space for. You can still get retina screen shots. Just use the simulator. In the Hardware menu, select a retina device profile and re-launch your app. Then use Cmd-S to save a shot of whatever screens you?d like. They?ll save to your desktop and can be uploaded to iTunes Connect. As I mentioned before, I would highly recommend testing your app in the simulator with a retina device profile selected. I guarantee you retina device users will download your app, and if it doesn?t look decent or run smoothly, it?ll cause problems. And if it?s at all possible to get your hands on a retina device to test on, do it. The simulator works ?mostly? well for testing, but it?s still not the same as testing on an actual device. On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > Hi > > I am following the guidelines in this link on the Apple developer site. > https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/AppDistributionGuide/SubmittingYourApp/SubmittingYourApp.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012582-CH9-SW1 > > In the LiveCode standalone setup when I select iPad and Landscape, the > selections for the setup are reduced. I noted that the Retina screens are > available to be added. I developed the app in 1024 x 768 not retina so I > have no way to obtain screens with this setting. Does Apple kick if the > retina screens are not provided? The same question is for the icons for the > app store. Are hiRes Retina icons required? > > Thank you > > Vaughn Clement > > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > * > Skype: vaughn.clement > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > LogMeIn also avaialble > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > Ph. 928-254-9062 > > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > >> Hi >> >> This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of work. >> >> I have a few questions: >> >> Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last several >> months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files for >> submission to iTunes? >> >> Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x 768 iPad >> screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? >> >> Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash screen, >> and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect >> submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and resolutions? >> What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the two >> approaches? >> >> Thank you >> >> Vaughn Clement >> >> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >> * >> Skype: vaughn.clement >> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >> LogMeIn also avaialble >> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >> Ph. 928-254-9062 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Tue Jul 1 11:15:39 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 08:15:39 -0700 Subject: imageData In-Reply-To: <35897893-F77F-4111-8D4D-55E9DD7E079D@sweattechnologies.com> References: <35897893-F77F-4111-8D4D-55E9DD7E079D@sweattechnologies.com> Message-ID: Thanks Monte. I had the impression from the dictionary that imageData and text were two separate properties but on reading again, I see one can be derived from the other. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 1 Jul 2014, at 2:31 pm, stephen barncard < > stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > > >> Wondering if there's a good reason why the imageData property of an > image > >> is not included in its properties? > >> > > > > perhaps because the missing properties' data are either huge or > > multi-dimensional > > It's due to the no duplication rule of the properties property. imageData > and alphaData are both covered by the text property in the same way text, > unicodeText, styledText, rtfText is represented by htmlText. > > Cheers > > Monte > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From vclement at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 11:27:09 2014 From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 08:27:09 -0700 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: <31DC3A0C-8905-444F-A421-CB1D5924B87B@icloud.com> References: <31DC3A0C-8905-444F-A421-CB1D5924B87B@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris Your email is very helpful and it has pointed out several things I did not know. I recall awhile back seeing a description on how to size the icons for retina and then to scale the icon down for non retina icons. Is it as simple as reducing the icon to half the size or is there another way to set the size? The simulator screen capture is great advice for the retina display. I was not aware that was possible. Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ * Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > I?m not totally sure about all the requirements to be honest. I?m not sure > if apps will be rejected if icons are missing. Does anyone else know? My > company has always supported all iPad models, so I?ve just gotten use to > providing everything that LiveCode has a space for. > > You can still get retina screen shots. Just use the simulator. In the > Hardware menu, select a retina device profile and re-launch your app. Then > use Cmd-S to save a shot of whatever screens you?d like. They?ll save to > your desktop and can be uploaded to iTunes Connect. > > As I mentioned before, I would highly recommend testing your app in the > simulator with a retina device profile selected. I guarantee you retina > device users will download your app, and if it doesn?t look decent or run > smoothly, it?ll cause problems. And if it?s at all possible to get your > hands on a retina device to test on, do it. The simulator works ?mostly? > well for testing, but it?s still not the same as testing on an actual > device. > > On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I am following the guidelines in this link on the Apple developer site. > > > https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/AppDistributionGuide/SubmittingYourApp/SubmittingYourApp.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012582-CH9-SW1 > > > > In the LiveCode standalone setup when I select iPad and Landscape, the > > selections for the setup are reduced. I noted that the Retina screens are > > available to be added. I developed the app in 1024 x 768 not retina so I > > have no way to obtain screens with this setting. Does Apple kick if the > > retina screens are not provided? The same question is for the icons for > the > > app store. Are hiRes Retina icons required? > > > > Thank you > > > > Vaughn Clement > > > > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > > * > > Skype: vaughn.clement > > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > > LogMeIn also avaialble > > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > > Ph. 928-254-9062 > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Vaughn Clement > wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of > work. > >> > >> I have a few questions: > >> > >> Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last several > >> months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files for > >> submission to iTunes? > >> > >> Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x 768 > iPad > >> screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? > >> > >> Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash screen, > >> and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect > >> submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and > resolutions? > >> What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the two > >> approaches? > >> > >> Thank you > >> > >> Vaughn Clement > >> > >> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > >> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > >> * > >> Skype: vaughn.clement > >> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > >> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > >> LogMeIn also avaialble > >> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > >> Ph. 928-254-9062 > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From heather at livecode.com Tue Jul 1 11:16:15 2014 From: heather at livecode.com (Heather Laine) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 16:16:15 +0100 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web Message-ID: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> Dear List Folks, You told us we need to bring HTML5 Web Delivery to LiveCode. We listened: http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP.Today we are launching the Crowd Funding Campaign to make it happen. This is a project for making LiveCode the complete app development solution that we all want, and to bring it to you faster. It?s a project to change the way we create and deliver apps. If you want to see LiveCode deploying to the Web please get involved with the campaign. Pledge, donate, spread the word, tell your friends, tell your family, tell the postman... LiveCode needs YOU! This is the final frontier to making LiveCode the complete all round solution for app developers anywhere. No plugin, platform agnostic, run in any HTML5 capable browser. Learn all about it here: http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ Warm Regards, Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.livecode.com/ From vclement at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 11:57:35 2014 From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 08:57:35 -0700 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <31DC3A0C-8905-444F-A421-CB1D5924B87B@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris I was able to create the 2 sets of screen shots no problem. A question on the splash screen, in past apps i developed I don't recall the need for a splash screen? Is this required for iTunes or from LiveCode? Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ * Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > Hi Chris > > Your email is very helpful and it has pointed out several things I did not > know. I recall awhile back seeing a description on how to size the icons > for retina and then to scale the icon down for non retina icons. Is it as > simple as reducing the icon to half the size or is there another way to set > the size? > > The simulator screen capture is great advice for the retina display. I was > not aware that was possible. > > Thank you > > Vaughn Clement > > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > * > Skype: vaughn.clement > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > LogMeIn also avaialble > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > Ph. 928-254-9062 > > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Chris Sheffield > wrote: > >> I?m not totally sure about all the requirements to be honest. I?m not >> sure if apps will be rejected if icons are missing. Does anyone else know? >> My company has always supported all iPad models, so I?ve just gotten use to >> providing everything that LiveCode has a space for. >> >> You can still get retina screen shots. Just use the simulator. In the >> Hardware menu, select a retina device profile and re-launch your app. Then >> use Cmd-S to save a shot of whatever screens you?d like. They?ll save to >> your desktop and can be uploaded to iTunes Connect. >> >> As I mentioned before, I would highly recommend testing your app in the >> simulator with a retina device profile selected. I guarantee you retina >> device users will download your app, and if it doesn?t look decent or run >> smoothly, it?ll cause problems. And if it?s at all possible to get your >> hands on a retina device to test on, do it. The simulator works ?mostly? >> well for testing, but it?s still not the same as testing on an actual >> device. >> >> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: >> >> > Hi >> > >> > I am following the guidelines in this link on the Apple developer site. >> > >> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/AppDistributionGuide/SubmittingYourApp/SubmittingYourApp.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012582-CH9-SW1 >> > >> > In the LiveCode standalone setup when I select iPad and Landscape, the >> > selections for the setup are reduced. I noted that the Retina screens >> are >> > available to be added. I developed the app in 1024 x 768 not retina so I >> > have no way to obtain screens with this setting. Does Apple kick if the >> > retina screens are not provided? The same question is for the icons for >> the >> > app store. Are hiRes Retina icons required? >> > >> > Thank you >> > >> > Vaughn Clement >> > >> > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >> > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >> > * >> > Skype: vaughn.clement >> > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >> > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >> > LogMeIn also avaialble >> > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >> > Ph. 928-254-9062 >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Vaughn Clement >> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of >> work. >> >> >> >> I have a few questions: >> >> >> >> Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last several >> >> months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files for >> >> submission to iTunes? >> >> >> >> Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x 768 >> iPad >> >> screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? >> >> >> >> Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash >> screen, >> >> and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect >> >> submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and >> resolutions? >> >> What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the >> two >> >> approaches? >> >> >> >> Thank you >> >> >> >> Vaughn Clement >> >> >> >> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >> >> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >> >> * >> >> Skype: vaughn.clement >> >> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >> >> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >> >> LogMeIn also avaialble >> >> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >> >> Ph. 928-254-9062 >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 11:59:25 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 18:59:25 +0300 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> Message-ID: <53B2DADD.6080902@gmail.com> On 01/07/14 18:16, Heather Laine wrote: > Dear List Folks, > > You told us we need to bring HTML5 Web Delivery to LiveCode. We listened: > > http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ > > We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP.Today we are launching the Crowd Funding Campaign to make it happen. This is a project for making LiveCode the complete app development solution that we all want, and to bring it to you faster. It?s a project to change the way we create and deliver apps. > > If you want to see LiveCode deploying to the Web please get involved with the campaign. Pledge, donate, spread the word, tell your friends, tell your family, tell the postman... LiveCode needs YOU! This is the final frontier to making LiveCode the complete all round solution for app developers anywhere. No plugin, platform agnostic, run in any HTML5 capable browser. > > Learn all about it here: > > http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ > > I'm very sorry; but I am "flat skint" at the moment, and working hard to stump up the necessary funds for my sons at University: one in Germany and the other in the USA. Had I money I would send you some. All I can offer you right now is my best wishes and a pious hope that the HTML5 deployment will NOT rely on a web-download as did the LC version 4 revPlayer widget. It certainly sounds very exciting indeed! Richmond. From cmsheffield at icloud.com Tue Jul 1 12:10:48 2014 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 10:10:48 -0600 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <31DC3A0C-8905-444F-A421-CB1D5924B87B@icloud.com> Message-ID: Yes. I?ve found Preview to be very simple for resizing icons. Start with the larger one, open it in Preview, create a duplicate (so you?re not editing your original), then just resize to half the size via the Tools menu. Super simple. As far as quality goes, I?m not sure if other tools are better, but it gets the job done. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > Hi Chris > > Your email is very helpful and it has pointed out several things I did not > know. I recall awhile back seeing a description on how to size the icons > for retina and then to scale the icon down for non retina icons. Is it as > simple as reducing the icon to half the size or is there another way to set > the size? > > The simulator screen capture is great advice for the retina display. I was > not aware that was possible. > > Thank you > > Vaughn Clement > > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > * > Skype: vaughn.clement > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > LogMeIn also avaialble > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > Ph. 928-254-9062 > > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Chris Sheffield > wrote: > >> I?m not totally sure about all the requirements to be honest. I?m not sure >> if apps will be rejected if icons are missing. Does anyone else know? My >> company has always supported all iPad models, so I?ve just gotten use to >> providing everything that LiveCode has a space for. >> >> You can still get retina screen shots. Just use the simulator. In the >> Hardware menu, select a retina device profile and re-launch your app. Then >> use Cmd-S to save a shot of whatever screens you?d like. They?ll save to >> your desktop and can be uploaded to iTunes Connect. >> >> As I mentioned before, I would highly recommend testing your app in the >> simulator with a retina device profile selected. I guarantee you retina >> device users will download your app, and if it doesn?t look decent or run >> smoothly, it?ll cause problems. And if it?s at all possible to get your >> hands on a retina device to test on, do it. The simulator works ?mostly? >> well for testing, but it?s still not the same as testing on an actual >> device. >> >> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I am following the guidelines in this link on the Apple developer site. >>> >> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/AppDistributionGuide/SubmittingYourApp/SubmittingYourApp.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012582-CH9-SW1 >>> >>> In the LiveCode standalone setup when I select iPad and Landscape, the >>> selections for the setup are reduced. I noted that the Retina screens are >>> available to be added. I developed the app in 1024 x 768 not retina so I >>> have no way to obtain screens with this setting. Does Apple kick if the >>> retina screens are not provided? The same question is for the icons for >> the >>> app store. Are hiRes Retina icons required? >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Vaughn Clement >>> >>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>> * >>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Vaughn Clement >> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of >> work. >>>> >>>> I have a few questions: >>>> >>>> Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last several >>>> months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files for >>>> submission to iTunes? >>>> >>>> Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x 768 >> iPad >>>> screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? >>>> >>>> Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash screen, >>>> and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect >>>> submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and >> resolutions? >>>> What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the two >>>> approaches? >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Vaughn Clement >>>> >>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>> * >>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From dochawk at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 12:11:22 2014 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 09:11:22 -0700 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <53B2DADD.6080902@gmail.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> <53B2DADD.6080902@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Richmond wrote: > > All I can offer you right now is my best wishes and a pious hope that the > HTML5 deployment will NOT > rely on a web-download as did the LC version 4 revPlayer widget. My concern is that it have local, in-memory SQLite wherever it happens to be running, whether that be the browser or the server. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From cmsheffield at icloud.com Tue Jul 1 12:13:56 2014 From: cmsheffield at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 10:13:56 -0600 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <31DC3A0C-8905-444F-A421-CB1D5924B87B@icloud.com> Message-ID: Again, maybe someone can correct me if I?m wrong, but I?m fairly certain the app *will not* be rejected if a splash screen is missing. It is recommended, but not required. A splash screen is especially helpful if your app takes some time to load. Otherwise, probably not absolutely necessary. Keep in mind, however, that if it?s missing, LiveCode will give you a warning whenever you build your app (at least, it used; I?m assuming this is still the case). Sometimes just supplying a simple black splash screen image is worth it to not have to click OK on that warning every time you build. On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > Hi Chris > > I was able to create the 2 sets of screen shots no problem. > > A question on the splash screen, in past apps i developed I don't recall > the need for a splash screen? Is this required for iTunes or from LiveCode? > > Thank you > > Vaughn Clement > > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > * > Skype: vaughn.clement > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > LogMeIn also avaialble > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > Ph. 928-254-9062 > > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > >> Hi Chris >> >> Your email is very helpful and it has pointed out several things I did not >> know. I recall awhile back seeing a description on how to size the icons >> for retina and then to scale the icon down for non retina icons. Is it as >> simple as reducing the icon to half the size or is there another way to set >> the size? >> >> The simulator screen capture is great advice for the retina display. I was >> not aware that was possible. >> >> Thank you >> >> Vaughn Clement >> >> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >> * >> Skype: vaughn.clement >> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >> LogMeIn also avaialble >> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >> Ph. 928-254-9062 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Chris Sheffield >> wrote: >> >>> I?m not totally sure about all the requirements to be honest. I?m not >>> sure if apps will be rejected if icons are missing. Does anyone else know? >>> My company has always supported all iPad models, so I?ve just gotten use to >>> providing everything that LiveCode has a space for. >>> >>> You can still get retina screen shots. Just use the simulator. In the >>> Hardware menu, select a retina device profile and re-launch your app. Then >>> use Cmd-S to save a shot of whatever screens you?d like. They?ll save to >>> your desktop and can be uploaded to iTunes Connect. >>> >>> As I mentioned before, I would highly recommend testing your app in the >>> simulator with a retina device profile selected. I guarantee you retina >>> device users will download your app, and if it doesn?t look decent or run >>> smoothly, it?ll cause problems. And if it?s at all possible to get your >>> hands on a retina device to test on, do it. The simulator works ?mostly? >>> well for testing, but it?s still not the same as testing on an actual >>> device. >>> >>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I am following the guidelines in this link on the Apple developer site. >>>> >>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/AppDistributionGuide/SubmittingYourApp/SubmittingYourApp.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012582-CH9-SW1 >>>> >>>> In the LiveCode standalone setup when I select iPad and Landscape, the >>>> selections for the setup are reduced. I noted that the Retina screens >>> are >>>> available to be added. I developed the app in 1024 x 768 not retina so I >>>> have no way to obtain screens with this setting. Does Apple kick if the >>>> retina screens are not provided? The same question is for the icons for >>> the >>>> app store. Are hiRes Retina icons required? >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Vaughn Clement >>>> >>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>> * >>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Vaughn Clement >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of >>> work. >>>>> >>>>> I have a few questions: >>>>> >>>>> Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last several >>>>> months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files for >>>>> submission to iTunes? >>>>> >>>>> Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x 768 >>> iPad >>>>> screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? >>>>> >>>>> Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash >>> screen, >>>>> and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect >>>>> submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and >>> resolutions? >>>>> What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the >>> two >>>>> approaches? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> >>>>> Vaughn Clement >>>>> >>>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>>> * >>>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From david at viral.academy Tue Jul 1 12:28:42 2014 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:28:42 +0100 Subject: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode In-Reply-To: <1404220122.11084.136508601.57A4E13F@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1404170023634-4680747.post@n4.nabble.com> <1404220122.11084.136508601.57A4E13F@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Ah yes - I see the Chromium Embedded framework is really desktop only - I missed that. I'd like to down what the long term strategy regards browser controls cross mobile and desktop is. For instance *revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler* is for now CEF specific - is the plan to add this to mobile platforms? On 1 July 2014 14:08, Mark Wilcox wrote: > > For iOS it's against the App Store rules to include your own browser > engine (no downloadable code execution allowed) and not even technically > possible to ship the V8 JavaScript engine (because you can't mark memory > both writable and executable - so can't ship your own JIT compiler). As > far as I know Safari doesn't yet support WebRTC on Mac OS or iOS. Even > when it does, there's not yet any guarantee that it will have a common > video codec with other implementations because the standards people > can't agree on a mandatory one. From alain_farmer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 1 12:34:29 2014 From: alain_farmer at yahoo.com (Alain Farmer) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 09:34:29 -0700 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> Message-ID: <1404232469.27972.YahooMailNeo@web126101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Bravo on bringing HTML5+Javascript Web Delivery to LiveCode. Awesome! Btw, I crafted a MetaCard WYSIWYG-editor of dHTML .. back in the day. Of-course it will be far-better coded natively; more maintained that's for sure! Thanks for this GREAT project. I will try to help [financially] when I become more sure of my means. Alain On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 11:33:16 AM, Heather Laine wrote: Dear List Folks, You told us we need to bring HTML5 Web Delivery to LiveCode. We listened: http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP.Today we are launching the Crowd Funding Campaign to make it happen. This is a project for making LiveCode the complete app development solution that we all want, and to bring it to you faster. It?s a project to change the way we create and deliver apps. If you want to see LiveCode deploying to the Web please get involved with the campaign. Pledge, donate, spread the word, tell your friends, tell your family, tell the postman... LiveCode needs YOU! This is the final frontier to making LiveCode the complete all round solution for app developers anywhere. No plugin, platform agnostic, run in any HTML5 capable browser. Learn all about it here: http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ Warm Regards, Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.livecode.com/ _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From heather at runrev.com Tue Jul 1 12:35:44 2014 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:35:44 +0100 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <53B2DADD.6080902@gmail.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> <53B2DADD.6080902@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond... No Plugin! There will be no download required. Regards, Heather On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:59, Richmond wrote: > On 01/07/14 18:16, Heather Laine wrote: >> Dear List Folks, >> >> You told us we need to bring HTML5 Web Delivery to LiveCode. We listened: >> >> http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ >> >> We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP.Today we are launching the Crowd Funding Campaign to make it happen. This is a project for making LiveCode the complete app development solution that we all want, and to bring it to you faster. It?s a project to change the way we create and deliver apps. >> >> If you want to see LiveCode deploying to the Web please get involved with the campaign. Pledge, donate, spread the word, tell your friends, tell your family, tell the postman... LiveCode needs YOU! This is the final frontier to making LiveCode the complete all round solution for app developers anywhere. No plugin, platform agnostic, run in any HTML5 capable browser. >> >> Learn all about it here: >> >> http://livecode.com/livecode-to-html5/ >> >> > > > I'm very sorry; but I am "flat skint" at the moment, and working hard to stump up the necessary funds > for my sons at University: one in Germany and the other in the USA. > > Had I money I would send you some. > > All I can offer you right now is my best wishes and a pious hope that the HTML5 deployment will NOT > rely on a web-download as did the LC version 4 revPlayer widget. > > It certainly sounds very exciting indeed! > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.livecode.com/ From heather at runrev.com Tue Jul 1 12:50:54 2014 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:50:54 +0100 Subject: So who is going to write the first monitor app? Message-ID: <2A882246-0649-4B99-AE18-398FA4DE91C3@runrev.com> I need a widget on my desktop that goes ching when pledges arrive! Warm Regards, Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.livecode.com/ From vclement at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 14:28:16 2014 From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:28:16 -0700 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <31DC3A0C-8905-444F-A421-CB1D5924B87B@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris I looked around Apple Developer Tech and did not find that article that described the requirements for the Hi Res icons, but in the iTunes connect managing application, the popup next to image stated the size and file type. So I used the info and wala it accepted my icon. Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ * Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > Again, maybe someone can correct me if I?m wrong, but I?m fairly certain > the app *will not* be rejected if a splash screen is missing. It is > recommended, but not required. A splash screen is especially helpful if > your app takes some time to load. Otherwise, probably not absolutely > necessary. Keep in mind, however, that if it?s missing, LiveCode will give > you a warning whenever you build your app (at least, it used; I?m assuming > this is still the case). Sometimes just supplying a simple black splash > screen image is worth it to not have to click OK on that warning every time > you build. > > > On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > > > Hi Chris > > > > I was able to create the 2 sets of screen shots no problem. > > > > A question on the splash screen, in past apps i developed I don't recall > > the need for a splash screen? Is this required for iTunes or from > LiveCode? > > > > Thank you > > > > Vaughn Clement > > > > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > > * > > Skype: vaughn.clement > > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > > LogMeIn also avaialble > > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > > Ph. 928-254-9062 > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Vaughn Clement > wrote: > > > >> Hi Chris > >> > >> Your email is very helpful and it has pointed out several things I did > not > >> know. I recall awhile back seeing a description on how to size the icons > >> for retina and then to scale the icon down for non retina icons. Is it > as > >> simple as reducing the icon to half the size or is there another way to > set > >> the size? > >> > >> The simulator screen capture is great advice for the retina display. I > was > >> not aware that was possible. > >> > >> Thank you > >> > >> Vaughn Clement > >> > >> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > >> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > >> * > >> Skype: vaughn.clement > >> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > >> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > >> LogMeIn also avaialble > >> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > >> Ph. 928-254-9062 > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Chris Sheffield > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I?m not totally sure about all the requirements to be honest. I?m not > >>> sure if apps will be rejected if icons are missing. Does anyone else > know? > >>> My company has always supported all iPad models, so I?ve just gotten > use to > >>> providing everything that LiveCode has a space for. > >>> > >>> You can still get retina screen shots. Just use the simulator. In the > >>> Hardware menu, select a retina device profile and re-launch your app. > Then > >>> use Cmd-S to save a shot of whatever screens you?d like. They?ll save > to > >>> your desktop and can be uploaded to iTunes Connect. > >>> > >>> As I mentioned before, I would highly recommend testing your app in the > >>> simulator with a retina device profile selected. I guarantee you retina > >>> device users will download your app, and if it doesn?t look decent or > run > >>> smoothly, it?ll cause problems. And if it?s at all possible to get your > >>> hands on a retina device to test on, do it. The simulator works > ?mostly? > >>> well for testing, but it?s still not the same as testing on an actual > >>> device. > >>> > >>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi > >>>> > >>>> I am following the guidelines in this link on the Apple developer > site. > >>>> > >>> > https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/AppDistributionGuide/SubmittingYourApp/SubmittingYourApp.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012582-CH9-SW1 > >>>> > >>>> In the LiveCode standalone setup when I select iPad and Landscape, the > >>>> selections for the setup are reduced. I noted that the Retina screens > >>> are > >>>> available to be added. I developed the app in 1024 x 768 not retina > so I > >>>> have no way to obtain screens with this setting. Does Apple kick if > the > >>>> retina screens are not provided? The same question is for the icons > for > >>> the > >>>> app store. Are hiRes Retina icons required? > >>>> > >>>> Thank you > >>>> > >>>> Vaughn Clement > >>>> > >>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > >>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > >>>> * > >>>> Skype: vaughn.clement > >>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > >>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > >>>> LogMeIn also avaialble > >>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > >>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Vaughn Clement > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi > >>>>> > >>>>> This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of > >>> work. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have a few questions: > >>>>> > >>>>> Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last several > >>>>> months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files > for > >>>>> submission to iTunes? > >>>>> > >>>>> Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x 768 > >>> iPad > >>>>> screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? > >>>>> > >>>>> Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash > >>> screen, > >>>>> and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect > >>>>> submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and > >>> resolutions? > >>>>> What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the > >>> two > >>>>> approaches? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you > >>>>> > >>>>> Vaughn Clement > >>>>> > >>>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > >>>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > >>>>> * > >>>>> Skype: vaughn.clement > >>>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > >>>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > >>>>> LogMeIn also avaialble > >>>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > >>>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> use-livecode mailing list > >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-livecode mailing list > >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > >>> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From vclement at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 14:41:29 2014 From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:41:29 -0700 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <31DC3A0C-8905-444F-A421-CB1D5924B87B@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris There is always a last minute issue "RIGHT"? From LC I created the standalone app, and found that the Application Loader did not recognize the file. It did not look right because it had a symbol like a no parking sign with a circle with a line across the icon. Did I do something wrong? Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ * Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > Hi Chris > > I looked around Apple Developer Tech and did not find that article that > described the requirements for the Hi Res icons, but in the iTunes connect > managing application, the popup next to image stated the size and file > type. So I used the info and wala it accepted my icon. > > Thank you > > Vaughn Clement > > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > * > Skype: vaughn.clement > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > LogMeIn also avaialble > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > Ph. 928-254-9062 > > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Chris Sheffield > wrote: > >> Again, maybe someone can correct me if I?m wrong, but I?m fairly certain >> the app *will not* be rejected if a splash screen is missing. It is >> recommended, but not required. A splash screen is especially helpful if >> your app takes some time to load. Otherwise, probably not absolutely >> necessary. Keep in mind, however, that if it?s missing, LiveCode will give >> you a warning whenever you build your app (at least, it used; I?m assuming >> this is still the case). Sometimes just supplying a simple black splash >> screen image is worth it to not have to click OK on that warning every time >> you build. >> >> >> On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: >> >> > Hi Chris >> > >> > I was able to create the 2 sets of screen shots no problem. >> > >> > A question on the splash screen, in past apps i developed I don't recall >> > the need for a splash screen? Is this required for iTunes or from >> LiveCode? >> > >> > Thank you >> > >> > Vaughn Clement >> > >> > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >> > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >> > * >> > Skype: vaughn.clement >> > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >> > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >> > LogMeIn also avaialble >> > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >> > Ph. 928-254-9062 >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Vaughn Clement >> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Chris >> >> >> >> Your email is very helpful and it has pointed out several things I did >> not >> >> know. I recall awhile back seeing a description on how to size the >> icons >> >> for retina and then to scale the icon down for non retina icons. Is it >> as >> >> simple as reducing the icon to half the size or is there another way >> to set >> >> the size? >> >> >> >> The simulator screen capture is great advice for the retina display. I >> was >> >> not aware that was possible. >> >> >> >> Thank you >> >> >> >> Vaughn Clement >> >> >> >> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >> >> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >> >> * >> >> Skype: vaughn.clement >> >> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >> >> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >> >> LogMeIn also avaialble >> >> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >> >> Ph. 928-254-9062 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Chris Sheffield < >> cmsheffield at icloud.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I?m not totally sure about all the requirements to be honest. I?m not >> >>> sure if apps will be rejected if icons are missing. Does anyone else >> know? >> >>> My company has always supported all iPad models, so I?ve just gotten >> use to >> >>> providing everything that LiveCode has a space for. >> >>> >> >>> You can still get retina screen shots. Just use the simulator. In the >> >>> Hardware menu, select a retina device profile and re-launch your app. >> Then >> >>> use Cmd-S to save a shot of whatever screens you?d like. They?ll save >> to >> >>> your desktop and can be uploaded to iTunes Connect. >> >>> >> >>> As I mentioned before, I would highly recommend testing your app in >> the >> >>> simulator with a retina device profile selected. I guarantee you >> retina >> >>> device users will download your app, and if it doesn?t look decent or >> run >> >>> smoothly, it?ll cause problems. And if it?s at all possible to get >> your >> >>> hands on a retina device to test on, do it. The simulator works >> ?mostly? >> >>> well for testing, but it?s still not the same as testing on an actual >> >>> device. >> >>> >> >>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Vaughn Clement >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hi >> >>>> >> >>>> I am following the guidelines in this link on the Apple developer >> site. >> >>>> >> >>> >> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/AppDistributionGuide/SubmittingYourApp/SubmittingYourApp.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012582-CH9-SW1 >> >>>> >> >>>> In the LiveCode standalone setup when I select iPad and Landscape, >> the >> >>>> selections for the setup are reduced. I noted that the Retina screens >> >>> are >> >>>> available to be added. I developed the app in 1024 x 768 not retina >> so I >> >>>> have no way to obtain screens with this setting. Does Apple kick if >> the >> >>>> retina screens are not provided? The same question is for the icons >> for >> >>> the >> >>>> app store. Are hiRes Retina icons required? >> >>>> >> >>>> Thank you >> >>>> >> >>>> Vaughn Clement >> >>>> >> >>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >> >>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >> >>>> * >> >>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >> >>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >> >>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >> >>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >> >>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >> >>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Vaughn Clement >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Hi >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of >> >>> work. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I have a few questions: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last >> several >> >>>>> months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files >> for >> >>>>> submission to iTunes? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x >> 768 >> >>> iPad >> >>>>> screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash >> >>> screen, >> >>>>> and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect >> >>>>> submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and >> >>> resolutions? >> >>>>> What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the >> >>> two >> >>>>> approaches? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thank you >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Vaughn Clement >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >> >>>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >> >>>>> * >> >>>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >> >>>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >> >>>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >> >>>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >> >>>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >> >>>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> use-livecode mailing list >> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >>> subscription preferences: >> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> use-livecode mailing list >> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> >>> subscription preferences: >> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-livecode mailing list >> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From pystcat at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 14:43:36 2014 From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 14:43:36 -0400 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: References: <31DC3A0C-8905-444F-A421-CB1D5924B87B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <654CE206-6DB4-41C2-BA72-9229EFFCA588@gmail.com> Now you need to select the file, right-click on compress it. iTunes Connect needs to have the file compressed before it will see it. > On Jul 1, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Vaughn Clement wrote: > > Hi Chris > > There is always a last minute issue "RIGHT"? From LC I created the > standalone app, and found that the Application Loader did not recognize the > file. It did not look right because it had a symbol like a no parking sign > with a circle with a line across the icon. Did I do something wrong? > > > Thank you > > Vaughn Clement > > Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) > *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ > * > Skype: vaughn.clement > https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement > FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com > LogMeIn also avaialble > Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 > Ph. 928-254-9062 > > > >> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: >> >> Hi Chris >> >> I looked around Apple Developer Tech and did not find that article that >> described the requirements for the Hi Res icons, but in the iTunes connect >> managing application, the popup next to image stated the size and file >> type. So I used the info and wala it accepted my icon. >> >> Thank you >> >> Vaughn Clement >> >> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >> * >> Skype: vaughn.clement >> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >> LogMeIn also avaialble >> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >> Ph. 928-254-9062 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Chris Sheffield >> wrote: >> >>> Again, maybe someone can correct me if I?m wrong, but I?m fairly certain >>> the app *will not* be rejected if a splash screen is missing. It is >>> recommended, but not required. A splash screen is especially helpful if >>> your app takes some time to load. Otherwise, probably not absolutely >>> necessary. Keep in mind, however, that if it?s missing, LiveCode will give >>> you a warning whenever you build your app (at least, it used; I?m assuming >>> this is still the case). Sometimes just supplying a simple black splash >>> screen image is worth it to not have to click OK on that warning every time >>> you build. >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Chris >>>> >>>> I was able to create the 2 sets of screen shots no problem. >>>> >>>> A question on the splash screen, in past apps i developed I don't recall >>>> the need for a splash screen? Is this required for iTunes or from >>> LiveCode? >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Vaughn Clement >>>> >>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>> * >>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Vaughn Clement >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Chris >>>>> >>>>> Your email is very helpful and it has pointed out several things I did >>> not >>>>> know. I recall awhile back seeing a description on how to size the >>> icons >>>>> for retina and then to scale the icon down for non retina icons. Is it >>> as >>>>> simple as reducing the icon to half the size or is there another way >>> to set >>>>> the size? >>>>> >>>>> The simulator screen capture is great advice for the retina display. I >>> was >>>>> not aware that was possible. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> >>>>> Vaughn Clement >>>>> >>>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>>> * >>>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Chris Sheffield < >>> cmsheffield at icloud.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I?m not totally sure about all the requirements to be honest. I?m not >>>>>> sure if apps will be rejected if icons are missing. Does anyone else >>> know? >>>>>> My company has always supported all iPad models, so I?ve just gotten >>> use to >>>>>> providing everything that LiveCode has a space for. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can still get retina screen shots. Just use the simulator. In the >>>>>> Hardware menu, select a retina device profile and re-launch your app. >>> Then >>>>>> use Cmd-S to save a shot of whatever screens you?d like. They?ll save >>> to >>>>>> your desktop and can be uploaded to iTunes Connect. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I mentioned before, I would highly recommend testing your app in >>> the >>>>>> simulator with a retina device profile selected. I guarantee you >>> retina >>>>>> device users will download your app, and if it doesn?t look decent or >>> run >>>>>> smoothly, it?ll cause problems. And if it?s at all possible to get >>> your >>>>>> hands on a retina device to test on, do it. The simulator works >>> ?mostly? >>>>>> well for testing, but it?s still not the same as testing on an actual >>>>>> device. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Vaughn Clement >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am following the guidelines in this link on the Apple developer >>> site. >>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/AppDistributionGuide/SubmittingYourApp/SubmittingYourApp.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012582-CH9-SW1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the LiveCode standalone setup when I select iPad and Landscape, >>> the >>>>>>> selections for the setup are reduced. I noted that the Retina screens >>>>>> are >>>>>>> available to be added. I developed the app in 1024 x 768 not retina >>> so I >>>>>>> have no way to obtain screens with this setting. Does Apple kick if >>> the >>>>>>> retina screens are not provided? The same question is for the icons >>> for >>>>>> the >>>>>>> app store. Are hiRes Retina icons required? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vaughn Clement >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>>>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>>>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>>>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>>>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>>>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>>>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Vaughn Clement >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of >>>>>> work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a few questions: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last >>> several >>>>>>>> months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files >>> for >>>>>>>> submission to iTunes? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x >>> 768 >>>>>> iPad >>>>>>>> screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash >>>>>> screen, >>>>>>>> and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect >>>>>>>> submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and >>>>>> resolutions? >>>>>>>> What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the >>>>>> two >>>>>>>> approaches? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vaughn Clement >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>>>>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>>>>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>>>>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>>>>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>>>>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>>>>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From iowahengst at mac.com Tue Jul 1 14:47:42 2014 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 13:47:42 -0500 Subject: First LC Submission to iTunes In-Reply-To: <654CE206-6DB4-41C2-BA72-9229EFFCA588@gmail.com> References: <31DC3A0C-8905-444F-A421-CB1D5924B87B@icloud.com> <654CE206-6DB4-41C2-BA72-9229EFFCA588@gmail.com> Message-ID: <783AE937-92D2-4AF0-A39C-6D39303778F7@mac.com> One more thing. No spaces the the file name after compressing. > On Jul 1, 2014, at 1:43 PM, PystCat wrote: > > Now you need to select the file, right-click on compress it. iTunes Connect needs to have the file compressed before it will see it. > >> On Jul 1, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Vaughn Clement wrote: >> >> Hi Chris >> >> There is always a last minute issue "RIGHT"? From LC I created the >> standalone app, and found that the Application Loader did not recognize the >> file. It did not look right because it had a symbol like a no parking sign >> with a circle with a line across the icon. Did I do something wrong? >> >> >> Thank you >> >> Vaughn Clement >> >> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >> * >> Skype: vaughn.clement >> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >> LogMeIn also avaialble >> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >> Ph. 928-254-9062 >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: >>> >>> Hi Chris >>> >>> I looked around Apple Developer Tech and did not find that article that >>> described the requirements for the Hi Res icons, but in the iTunes connect >>> managing application, the popup next to image stated the size and file >>> type. So I used the info and wala it accepted my icon. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Vaughn Clement >>> >>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>> * >>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Chris Sheffield >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Again, maybe someone can correct me if I?m wrong, but I?m fairly certain >>>> the app *will not* be rejected if a splash screen is missing. It is >>>> recommended, but not required. A splash screen is especially helpful if >>>> your app takes some time to load. Otherwise, probably not absolutely >>>> necessary. Keep in mind, however, that if it?s missing, LiveCode will give >>>> you a warning whenever you build your app (at least, it used; I?m assuming >>>> this is still the case). Sometimes just supplying a simple black splash >>>> screen image is worth it to not have to click OK on that warning every time >>>> you build. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Chris >>>>> >>>>> I was able to create the 2 sets of screen shots no problem. >>>>> >>>>> A question on the splash screen, in past apps i developed I don't recall >>>>> the need for a splash screen? Is this required for iTunes or from >>>> LiveCode? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> >>>>> Vaughn Clement >>>>> >>>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>>> * >>>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Vaughn Clement >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> Your email is very helpful and it has pointed out several things I did >>>> not >>>>>> know. I recall awhile back seeing a description on how to size the >>>> icons >>>>>> for retina and then to scale the icon down for non retina icons. Is it >>>> as >>>>>> simple as reducing the icon to half the size or is there another way >>>> to set >>>>>> the size? >>>>>> >>>>>> The simulator screen capture is great advice for the retina display. I >>>> was >>>>>> not aware that was possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> >>>>>> Vaughn Clement >>>>>> >>>>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>>>> * >>>>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Chris Sheffield < >>>> cmsheffield at icloud.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I?m not totally sure about all the requirements to be honest. I?m not >>>>>>> sure if apps will be rejected if icons are missing. Does anyone else >>>> know? >>>>>>> My company has always supported all iPad models, so I?ve just gotten >>>> use to >>>>>>> providing everything that LiveCode has a space for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can still get retina screen shots. Just use the simulator. In the >>>>>>> Hardware menu, select a retina device profile and re-launch your app. >>>> Then >>>>>>> use Cmd-S to save a shot of whatever screens you?d like. They?ll save >>>> to >>>>>>> your desktop and can be uploaded to iTunes Connect. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I mentioned before, I would highly recommend testing your app in >>>> the >>>>>>> simulator with a retina device profile selected. I guarantee you >>>> retina >>>>>>> device users will download your app, and if it doesn?t look decent or >>>> run >>>>>>> smoothly, it?ll cause problems. And if it?s at all possible to get >>>> your >>>>>>> hands on a retina device to test on, do it. The simulator works >>>> ?mostly? >>>>>>> well for testing, but it?s still not the same as testing on an actual >>>>>>> device. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Vaughn Clement >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am following the guidelines in this link on the Apple developer >>>> site. >>>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/IDEs/Conceptual/AppDistributionGuide/SubmittingYourApp/SubmittingYourApp.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012582-CH9-SW1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the LiveCode standalone setup when I select iPad and Landscape, >>>> the >>>>>>>> selections for the setup are reduced. I noted that the Retina screens >>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> available to be added. I developed the app in 1024 x 768 not retina >>>> so I >>>>>>>> have no way to obtain screens with this setting. Does Apple kick if >>>> the >>>>>>>> retina screens are not provided? The same question is for the icons >>>> for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> app store. Are hiRes Retina icons required? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vaughn Clement >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>>>>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>>>>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>>>>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>>>>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>>>>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>>>>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Vaughn Clement >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is my first submission to iTunes using LiveCode after 1 year of >>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a few questions: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Because so many things have changed with LiveCode in the last >>>> several >>>>>>>>> months, would it be better to use iTunes Connect to setup the files >>>> for >>>>>>>>> submission to iTunes? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do I need to add anything to my openStack script to for my 1024 x >>>> 768 >>>>>>> iPad >>>>>>>>> screen to auto size between normal and retina screen resolutions? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is there a LiveCode description as to the settings of the splash >>>>>>> screen, >>>>>>>>> and the other screen captures for the LiveCode / iTunes connect >>>>>>>>> submissions? This would include the different icon sizes and >>>>>>> resolutions? >>>>>>>>> What I am trying to find out is if there is a difference between the >>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>> approaches? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vaughn Clement >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) >>>>>>>>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ >>>>>>>>> * >>>>>>>>> Skype: vaughn.clement >>>>>>>>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement >>>>>>>>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com >>>>>>>>> LogMeIn also avaialble >>>>>>>>> Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 >>>>>>>>> Ph. 928-254-9062 >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-livecode mailing list >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From prothero at earthednet.org Tue Jul 1 14:58:16 2014 From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 11:58:16 -0700 Subject: Odd Empty behavior Message-ID: <40A43FFF-645B-475A-957F-F4906E39D056@earthednet.org> Folks: LC 6.6.0, OSX 10.9.3 I have the following script: put "XX" into test["data"]["a1"] if test["data"] is empty then answer "It is empty" else answer "Not empty" end if I would think that if there was some value in test[?data?], it would return ?Not empty?. However, it returns empty. I think this is a very unexpected behavior because I think of the ?a1? value of test as a subarray, especially since test[?a1?] doesn?t have the set value. In fact, test[?data?] is not empty. It contains the subarray [?a1?]. Is this a bug or just a livecode oddity? Thanks, Bill From mark at sorcery-ltd.co.uk Tue Jul 1 16:03:08 2014 From: mark at sorcery-ltd.co.uk (Mark Wilcox) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 13:03:08 -0700 Subject: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode In-Reply-To: References: <1404170023634-4680747.post@n4.nabble.com> <1404220122.11084.136508601.57A4E13F@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1404244988.8918.136682129.4B497362@webmail.messagingengine.com> I'm getting the impression that the LiveCode roadmap is primarily user demand driven, so there isn't really a long term strategy apart from "keep the platform relevant and grow the user base". :) If you really want something relatively simple like this in the roadmap I think pledging for the new campaign with a Premium (or maybe Pro) license and asking them to do it sooner rather than later is the best way forward! Alternatively it's simple enough that you could contract someone to do it after all the refactoring is sorted for significantly less than the cost of a Premium license. I think the main issue with doing this for mobile platforms is backwards compatibility. On Android the WebView completely changed (to a modern Chromium base from an old WebKit base) in one of the recent releases (can't remember which 4.x version) - making sure it works identically on both might be tricky - Android has always had a simple method for doing this though. On iOS this was only doable via fake URL load requests in the WebView before iOS 7, then iOS 7 added an almost completely undocumented and slightly cumbersome way of doing it properly. Now iOS 8 has added a new WKWebView with a much nicer way of doing it (and much better JavaScript performance!). So, it's going to be cheaper and easier to do via an external/extension if you only care about newer platform versions but to get it into the engine where it belongs means supporting all the platform versions that LiveCode does. -- Mark Wilcox mark at sorcery-ltd.co.uk On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 09:28 AM, David Bovill wrote: > Ah yes - I see the Chromium Embedded framework is really desktop only - I > missed that. I'd like to down what the long term strategy regards browser > controls cross mobile and desktop is. > > For instance *revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler* is for now CEF specific - > is > the plan to add this to mobile platforms? > > > On 1 July 2014 14:08, Mark Wilcox wrote: > > > > > For iOS it's against the App Store rules to include your own browser > > engine (no downloadable code execution allowed) and not even technically > > possible to ship the V8 JavaScript engine (because you can't mark memory > > both writable and executable - so can't ship your own JIT compiler). As > > far as I know Safari doesn't yet support WebRTC on Mac OS or iOS. Even > > when it does, there's not yet any guarantee that it will have a common > > video codec with other implementations because the standards people > > can't agree on a mandatory one. > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Tue Jul 1 16:03:34 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 13:03:34 -0700 Subject: Odd Empty behavior In-Reply-To: <40A43FFF-645B-475A-957F-F4906E39D056@earthednet.org> References: <40A43FFF-645B-475A-957F-F4906E39D056@earthednet.org> Message-ID: Livecode always returns true if you test an array for empty, although I think that behavior might have changed in a recent release. test["data"] is an array since it has the "a1" subkey. I think this will tell you if test["data"] has any subkeys or not and thus whether it's empty or not: if test["data"] is an array Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:58 AM, William Prothero wrote: > Folks: > LC 6.6.0, OSX 10.9.3 > I have the following script: > > put "XX" into test["data"]["a1"] > if test["data"] is empty then > answer "It is empty" > else > answer "Not empty" > end if > > I would think that if there was some value in test[?data?], it would > return ?Not empty?. However, it returns empty. I think this is a very > unexpected behavior because I think of the ?a1? value of test as a > subarray, especially since test[?a1?] doesn?t have the set value. In fact, > test[?data?] is not empty. It contains the subarray [?a1?]. > > Is this a bug or just a livecode oddity? > > Thanks, > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Jul 1 16:10:04 2014 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 13:10:04 -0700 Subject: Odd Empty behavior In-Reply-To: <40A43FFF-645B-475A-957F-F4906E39D056@earthednet.org> References: <40A43FFF-645B-475A-957F-F4906E39D056@earthednet.org> Message-ID: Hi Bill: Over here, I get "not empty" using both 6.6.0 and 6.6.1. I was going to mention something about being careful with arrays and determining empty values, but it looks like the RunRev guys changed how the engine "sees" the contents of arrays. A quick test: In LC 5.5: put "XX" into theArray["data"] answer theArray is empty -- RETURNS TRUE In LC 6 & 7: put "XX" into theArray["data"] answer theArray is empty -- RETURNS FALSE Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design On 7/1/14 11:58 AM, "William Prothero" wrote: >Folks: >LC 6.6.0, OSX 10.9.3 >I have the following script: > > put "XX" into test["data"]["a1"] > if test["data"] is empty then > answer "It is empty" > else > answer "Not empty" > end if > >I would think that if there was some value in test[?data?], it would >return ?Not empty?. However, it returns empty. I think this is a very >unexpected behavior because I think of the ?a1? value of test as a >subarray, especially since test[?a1?] doesn?t have the set value. In >fact, test[?data?] is not empty. It contains the subarray [?a1?]. > >Is this a bug or just a livecode oddity? > >Thanks, >Bill > >_______________________________________________ >use-livecode mailing list >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Jul 1 16:11:43 2014 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 15:11:43 -0500 Subject: Odd Empty behavior In-Reply-To: References: <40A43FFF-645B-475A-957F-F4906E39D056@earthednet.org> Message-ID: <53B315FF.4070900@hyperactivesw.com> On 7/1/2014, 3:03 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Livecode always returns true if you test an array for empty, although I > think that behavior might have changed in a recent release. Right. In 6.6.2, this returns "not empty": put "XX" into test["data"]["a1"] if test["data"] is empty then answer "It is empty" else answer "Not empty" end if -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From prothero at earthednet.org Tue Jul 1 16:17:58 2014 From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 13:17:58 -0700 Subject: Odd Empty behavior In-Reply-To: <53B315FF.4070900@hyperactivesw.com> References: <40A43FFF-645B-475A-957F-F4906E39D056@earthednet.org> <53B315FF.4070900@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <9DB7064D-E23E-4442-A60B-773D044C0DCD@earthednet.org> Thanks, I?ll check it on later versions. This is a pretty important issue to me, so I?ll try to make sure I don?t rely on the test[?data?] empty property. Thanks, Bill On Jul 1, 2014, at 1:11 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 7/1/2014, 3:03 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: >> Livecode always returns true if you test an array for empty, although I >> think that behavior might have changed in a recent release. > > Right. In 6.6.2, this returns "not empty": > > put "XX" into test["data"]["a1"] > if test["data"] is empty then > answer "It is empty" > else > answer "Not empty" > end if > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mark at sorcery-ltd.co.uk Tue Jul 1 16:31:00 2014 From: mark at sorcery-ltd.co.uk (Mark Wilcox) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 13:31:00 -0700 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> <53B2DADD.6080902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1404246660.16753.136696865.5F0F26D3@webmail.messagingengine.com> > My concern is that it have local, in-memory SQLite wherever it happens to > be running, whether that be the browser or the server. > > > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. It's running in the browser, with the LiveCode engine compiled to JavaScript. Compiling SQLite to JavaScript and running it locally in the browser is not a great option - how will you reliably persist the data and keep decent performance? Not that there aren't JavaScript based DB solutions that use local file storage. Sadly the web standards folks messed up here. Web SQL was effectively killed because Mozilla and Microsoft refused to implement it. IndexedDB looks like the option that everyone eventually agreed on but it's not implemented everywhere yet. I suspect it will be fairly widespread by the time the HTML5 deployment option is complete though... -- Mark Wilcox mark at sorcery-ltd.co.uk From alex at tweedly.net Tue Jul 1 16:45:45 2014 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2014 21:45:45 +0100 Subject: So who is going to write the first monitor app? In-Reply-To: <2A882246-0649-4B99-AE18-398FA4DE91C3@runrev.com> References: <2A882246-0649-4B99-AE18-398FA4DE91C3@runrev.com> Message-ID: <53B31DF9.3030008@tweedly.net> I've already written one. Unfortunately, I based it on LC + HTML5/JS, so it won't be available until some new funding campaign is complete :-) I'll try for a more traditional version based just on LC tomorrow, if there isn't one by then. -- Alex. On 01/07/2014 17:50, Heather Laine wrote: > I need a widget on my desktop that goes ching when pledges arrive! > > Warm Regards, > > Heather > > Heather Laine > Customer Services Manager > http://www.livecode.com/ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From t.heaford at btinternet.com Tue Jul 1 17:09:46 2014 From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 22:09:46 +0100 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> Message-ID: <5150FB75-1EAC-4068-A09D-D906D2B2E377@btinternet.com> On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:16, Heather Laine wrote: > We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP. Nobody surveyed me? ?Terry From dochawk at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 20:11:24 2014 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 17:11:24 -0700 Subject: push/pop and need for items on another card Message-ID: I have a stack with various cards for "parts" for building my output. I need to use the formattedText of fields on it, so the particular card has to be open. I have been using a lock message, push card, open invisible,pop card sequence. Until today, there was no problem, but with one more window in the mix, it appears that the pop is bring up *two* windows back instead of one. Are there dragons here I'm missing? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From dunbarx at aol.com Tue Jul 1 23:23:18 2014 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 23:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: push/pop and need for items on another card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D163BC1AA05F36-34CC-34F4B@webmail-va019.sysops.aol.com> If you, instead of pushing and popping, go to named cards instead, does the problem go away? Craig -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Hawkins To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Tue, Jul 1, 2014 8:12 pm Subject: push/pop and need for items on another card I have a stack with various cards for "parts" for building my output. I need to use the formattedText of fields on it, so the particular card has to be open. I have been using a lock message, push card, open invisible,pop card sequence. Until today, there was no problem, but with one more window in the mix, it appears that the pop is bring up *two* windows back instead of one. Are there dragons here I'm missing? -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 02:53:52 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 09:53:52 +0300 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <5150FB75-1EAC-4068-A09D-D906D2B2E377@btinternet.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> <5150FB75-1EAC-4068-A09D-D906D2B2E377@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <53B3AC80.5030101@gmail.com> On 02/07/14 00:09, Terence Heaford wrote: > On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:16, Heather Laine wrote: > >> We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP. > > Nobody surveyed me? > > > ?Terry > > Nor me. "a massive 85%" ??? "our entire user base" That is not true: all the kids I have taught Livecode to over the last 4 years (half of who use it for doing things on an on-off basis) were not surveyed. Those kids (who, unlike 52 year olds like me, are the future of Livecode) and their opinions matter; as do all the other kids around the world quietly getting to grips with Livecode. Come to think of things; I wonder how many kids younger than say, 18, who are "tinkering" with Livecode know what is meant by HTML5? -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think Livecode's plan to develop HTML5 capabilities is marvellous (I have already stated that), but their way of promoting it, like a lot of their other advertising, leaves a lot to be desired. I never buy washing powder because "9 out of 10 housewives prefer washing with Livecode"! I wash with Livecode because I see what it does to my clothes. Richmond. From heather at runrev.com Wed Jul 2 03:55:47 2014 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 08:55:47 +0100 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <53B3AC80.5030101@gmail.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> <5150FB75-1EAC-4068-A09D-D906D2B2E377@btinternet.com> <53B3AC80.5030101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E1E7D01-D20C-46EF-89B8-5870FD88F622@runrev.com> If you didn't get a survey request from us, either you are not signed up to receive emails from us (you've opted out of both promotional and newsletter lists), you spam filtered or bounced our mail, or you joined the community after we sent the survey. We sent that survey to every email address that we had permission to mail. Regards, Heather On 2 Jul 2014, at 07:53, Richmond wrote: > On 02/07/14 00:09, Terence Heaford wrote: >> On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:16, Heather Laine wrote: >> >>> We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP. >> >> Nobody surveyed me? >> >> >> ?Terry >> >> > > Nor me. > > "a massive 85%" ??? > > "our entire user base" > > That is not true: all the kids I have taught Livecode to over the last 4 years > (half of who use it for doing things on an on-off basis) were not surveyed. > > Those kids (who, unlike 52 year olds like me, are the future of Livecode) > and their opinions matter; as do all the other kids around the world > quietly getting to grips with Livecode. > > Come to think of things; I wonder how many kids younger than say, 18, > who are "tinkering" with Livecode know what is meant by HTML5? > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I think Livecode's plan to develop HTML5 capabilities is marvellous > (I have already stated that), but their way of promoting it, like a lot > of their other advertising, leaves a lot to be desired. > > I never buy washing powder because "9 out of 10 housewives prefer > washing with Livecode"! > > I wash with Livecode because I see what it does to my clothes. > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode Heather Laine Customer Services Manager http://www.livecode.com/ From bvg at mac.com Wed Jul 2 05:03:42 2014 From: bvg at mac.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:03:42 +0200 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <5E1E7D01-D20C-46EF-89B8-5870FD88F622@runrev.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> <5150FB75-1EAC-4068-A09D-D906D2B2E377@btinternet.com> <53B3AC80.5030101@gmail.com> <5E1E7D01-D20C-46EF-89B8-5870FD88F622@runrev.com> Message-ID: <4CDE9EEB-3A1C-4815-99AE-2257C9AC5D34@mac.com> It's not about who'm you email, it's about what you say. I'm sure I'm part of those 85%, which is misleading. Why? Because the poll asked "What technology would be nice to have? please select all that apply.". HTML5 was part of that list. Meanwhile "Less bugs, and a better coding experience" was not. On 02 Jul 2014, at 09:55, Heather Laine wrote: > If you didn't get a survey request from us, either you are not signed up to receive emails from us (you've opted out of both promotional and newsletter lists), you spam filtered or bounced our mail, or you joined the community after we sent the survey. We sent that survey to every email address that we had permission to mail. > > Regards, > > Heather > > On 2 Jul 2014, at 07:53, Richmond wrote: > >> On 02/07/14 00:09, Terence Heaford wrote: >>> On 1 Jul 2014, at 16:16, Heather Laine wrote: >>> >>>> We surveyed our entire user base and a massive 85% of you want HTML5 deployment, ASAP. >>> >>> Nobody surveyed me? >>> >>> >>> ?Terry >>> >>> >> >> Nor me. >> >> "a massive 85%" ??? >> >> "our entire user base" >> >> That is not true: all the kids I have taught Livecode to over the last 4 years >> (half of who use it for doing things on an on-off basis) were not surveyed. >> >> Those kids (who, unlike 52 year olds like me, are the future of Livecode) >> and their opinions matter; as do all the other kids around the world >> quietly getting to grips with Livecode. >> >> Come to think of things; I wonder how many kids younger than say, 18, >> who are "tinkering" with Livecode know what is meant by HTML5? >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I think Livecode's plan to develop HTML5 capabilities is marvellous >> (I have already stated that), but their way of promoting it, like a lot >> of their other advertising, leaves a lot to be desired. >> >> I never buy washing powder because "9 out of 10 housewives prefer >> washing with Livecode"! >> >> I wash with Livecode because I see what it does to my clothes. >> >> Richmond. -- Anyone thinking about joining on the 28. June in Zurich? Please send me an email! -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/ Chat with other RunRev developers: http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/ From jbv at souslelogo.com Wed Jul 2 05:05:43 2014 From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 12:05:43 +0300 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <53B3AC80.5030101@gmail.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> <5150FB75-1EAC-4068-A09D-D906D2B2E377@btinternet.com> <53B3AC80.5030101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <186705d49ab09fee101c045caa948635.squirrel@185.8.104.234> And what does Livecode do to your clothes ? (sorry, I couldn't resist)... jbv > > I wash with Livecode because I see what it does to my clothes. > > Richmond. > From david at viral.academy Wed Jul 2 06:00:12 2014 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:00:12 +0100 Subject: WebRTC support and Chromium Embedded Framework in LiveCode Message-ID: On 1 July 2014 21:03, Mark Wilcox wrote: > Alternatively it's simple enough that you could contract > someone to do it after all the refactoring is sorted for significantly > less than the cost of a Premium license. > Sounds a way to go. Even better would be to have a well structured and promoted bounty platform for open source code. Richard > Now iOS 8 > has added a new WKWebView with a much nicer way of doing it (and much > better JavaScript performance!) Just did a little reading about WKWebView (thanks for the tip) - this is a good review with some speed tests - http://developer.telerik.com/featured/why-ios-8s-wkwebview-is-a-big-deal-for-hybrid-development/ I'm looking to have good interoperability between JavaScript/HTML5, LiveCode, and C++. It looks like there are powerful things on the horizon with regard to LiveCode / C++ but it's not so clear with regard to HTML5/Javascript which has always seemed to be treated as more of an competitor than a friend to embrace. Though this may be simply that not many people use this aspect of Livecode? From t.heaford at btinternet.com Wed Jul 2 06:44:26 2014 From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:44:26 +0100 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <5E1E7D01-D20C-46EF-89B8-5870FD88F622@runrev.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> <5150FB75-1EAC-4068-A09D-D906D2B2E377@btinternet.com> <53B3AC80.5030101@gmail.com> <5E1E7D01-D20C-46EF-89B8-5870FD88F622@runrev.com> Message-ID: <901FED89-2B8A-4FC9-824C-8DA2AFFB48F3@btinternet.com> Just had a look at my account page and all it says is: Keep me informed of LiveCode special offers & updates Subscribe to our newsletter A survey is neither of the above? Perhaps you should have posted on the list that people wanting to take the survey can find the link on their account page. Terry On 2 Jul 2014, at 08:55, Heather Laine wrote: > If you didn't get a survey request from us, either you are not signed up to receive emails from us (you've opted out of both promotional and newsletter lists), you spam filtered or bounced our mail, or you joined the community after we sent the survey. We sent that survey to every email address that we had permission to mail. From pmbrig at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 08:16:26 2014 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 08:16:26 -0400 Subject: popUp a button with itself on modified mouseDown? In-Reply-To: <8F57B303-86CC-4A35-AEF2-F15D3BE3CD66@gmail.com> References: <53B1B461.3090104@hyperactivesw.com> <8F57B303-86CC-4A35-AEF2-F15D3BE3CD66@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm late to this discussion but here's what I do. It's a modular solution, and I use it a lot. It's great for contextual menus for right-clicking in a field (customize the button contents depending on context) and I've often used it for just what you are doing, to offer a popup list on right-clicking a standard button. Once it's set up you will likely find yourself using it for lots of things, since calling it is as simple as: put popChoose("Vera","Chuck","Dave","-","Lovely Rita","Nowhere Man") into uChoice function popChoose -- create a popup button in your mainstack or a library stack -- button style = menu, menumode = popup, name = "contextualMenu" -- button script: -- on menupick what -- set the uSelection of me to what -- end menupick -- make the button invisible when you're done, if needed -- then paste this handler into a suitable stack script, so it's available anywhere -- could be the same stack the button is in, but that's not necessary -- enter the short name of the stack containing the button -- into the constant declaration below. -- popChoose() can accept a cr-delimited list of choices -- or a comma-delimited list -- eg: put "Vera" & cr & "Chuck" & cr & "Dave" into choiceList -- put popChoose(choiceList) into userChoice -- or: put popChoose(choice1,choice2,choice3) into userChoice -- or: put popChoose("One","Two","Three") into userChoice constant popChooseStackName = "yourLibraryStack" put the params into tList put offset("(",tList) into q delete char 1 to q of tList delete char -1 of tList replace comma & space & quote with comma & quote in tList replace quote & comma & quote with cr in tList if char 1 of tList = quote then delete char 1 of tList if char -1 of tList = quote then delete char -1 of tList put empty into u set the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName to empty put tList into btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName popup btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName put the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName into u set the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName to empty put empty into btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName -- belt and suspenders, don't leave contents hanging around select empty if u = empty then exit to top -- ie, mouseRelease, no action end if return u end popChoose -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Michael Doub wrote: > create a popup button > move it to -100,-100 > > create your standard visible button with the following script: > > on mousedown thebutton > popup button "x" > else > beep > end if > end mousedown > > Does this do what you want? > > -= Mike > > > > On Jun 30, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Michael Doub > wrote: > > > >> Take a look at the button style, menumode and general appearance > >> properties. I would think that you could dynamicly change the style and > >> menu mode and general appearance. Just a thought?. > > > > > > Within limits, it does that so far. > > > > The code I have successfully changes the button type; my problem is > getting > > the now-popup to pop. > > > > -- > > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > > (702) 508-8462 > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mikedoub at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 08:47:06 2014 From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 08:47:06 -0400 Subject: popUp a button with itself on modified mouseDown? In-Reply-To: References: <53B1B461.3090104@hyperactivesw.com> <8F57B303-86CC-4A35-AEF2-F15D3BE3CD66@gmail.com> Message-ID: <992A434A-1580-41B9-B666-237C87E83567@gmail.com> Thanks Peter. Very handy. -= Mike On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Peter Brigham wrote: > I'm late to this discussion but here's what I do. It's a modular solution, > and I use it a lot. It's great for contextual menus for right-clicking in a > field (customize the button contents depending on context) and I've often > used it for just what you are doing, to offer a popup list on > right-clicking a standard button. Once it's set up you will likely find > yourself using it for lots of things, since calling it is as simple as: > put popChoose("Vera","Chuck","Dave","-","Lovely Rita","Nowhere Man") > into uChoice > > function popChoose > -- create a popup button in your mainstack or a library stack > -- button style = menu, menumode = popup, name = "contextualMenu" > -- button script: > -- on menupick what > -- set the uSelection of me to what > -- end menupick > -- make the button invisible when you're done, if needed > > -- then paste this handler into a suitable stack script, so it's > available anywhere > -- could be the same stack the button is in, but that's not necessary > -- enter the short name of the stack containing the button > -- into the constant declaration below. > > -- popChoose() can accept a cr-delimited list of choices > -- or a comma-delimited list > -- eg: put "Vera" & cr & "Chuck" & cr & "Dave" into choiceList > -- put popChoose(choiceList) into userChoice > -- or: put popChoose(choice1,choice2,choice3) into userChoice > -- or: put popChoose("One","Two","Three") into userChoice > > constant popChooseStackName = "yourLibraryStack" > > put the params into tList > put offset("(",tList) into q > delete char 1 to q of tList > delete char -1 of tList > replace comma & space & quote with comma & quote in tList > replace quote & comma & quote with cr in tList > if char 1 of tList = quote then delete char 1 of tList > if char -1 of tList = quote then delete char -1 of tList > put empty into u > set the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName > to empty > put tList into btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName > popup btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName > put the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName > into u > set the uSelection of btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName > to empty > put empty into btn "contextualMenu" of stack popChooseStackName > -- belt and suspenders, don't leave contents hanging around > select empty > if u = empty then > exit to top > -- ie, mouseRelease, no action > end if > return u > end popChoose > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Michael Doub wrote: > >> create a popup button >> move it to -100,-100 >> >> create your standard visible button with the following script: >> >> on mousedown thebutton >> popup button "x" >> else >> beep >> end if >> end mousedown >> >> Does this do what you want? >> >> -= Mike >> >> >> >> On Jun 30, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Michael Doub >> wrote: >>> >>>> Take a look at the button style, menumode and general appearance >>>> properties. I would think that you could dynamicly change the style and >>>> menu mode and general appearance. Just a thought?. >>> >>> >>> Within limits, it does that so far. >>> >>> The code I have successfully changes the button type; my problem is >> getting >>> the now-popup to pop. >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. >>> (702) 508-8462 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Jul 2 12:21:20 2014 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:21:20 -0500 Subject: push/pop and need for items on another card In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94cfaeeb-5502-4068-a98f-aaf2ce044449@email.android.com> Can't you refer to the card remotely without going there? On July 1, 2014 7:11:24 PM CDT, "Dr. Hawkins" wrote: >I have a stack with various cards for "parts" for building my output. >I >need to use the formattedText of fields on it, so the particular card >has >to be open. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From dochawk at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 12:40:56 2014 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 09:40:56 -0700 Subject: push/pop and need for items on another card In-Reply-To: <94cfaeeb-5502-4068-a98f-aaf2ce044449@email.android.com> References: <94cfaeeb-5502-4068-a98f-aaf2ce044449@email.android.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 9:21 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Can't you refer to the card remotely without going there? > I can refer remotely, but if the particular card, not just the stack, isn't actually open, then the formattedHeight of a field doesn't actually get calculated. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From dochawk at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 12:59:36 2014 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 09:59:36 -0700 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: <1404246660.16753.136696865.5F0F26D3@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> <53B2DADD.6080902@gmail.com> <1404246660.16753.136696865.5F0F26D3@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Mark Wilcox wrote: > It's running in the browser, with the LiveCode engine compiled to > JavaScript. Compiling SQLite to JavaScript and running it locally in the > browser is not a great option - how will you reliably persist the data > and keep decent performance? Not that there aren't JavaScript based DB > solutions that use local file storage. > Actually, all I need is the in-memory db, and for a fairly small database at that. Performancewise, however, I need that data locally. Changing one item can result in the need to reference dozens of others to recalculate, its dependent values. > > Sadly the web standards folks messed up here. Web SQL was effectively > killed because Mozilla and Microsoft refused to implement it. IndexedDB > looks like the option that everyone eventually agreed on but it's not > implemented everywhere yet. I suspect it will be fairly widespread by > the time the HTML5 deployment option is complete though... > I don't need any *particular* database, but I do need to be able to use revDataFromQuery(). I initially implented value storage with my getVal() and setVal() to use an array, but there are too many different ways I access particular data types; to use anything other than a (light) database means custom loops through everything for each type of "WHERE" that I use. If there were an array type that could access the same data from different independent indices, that *could* work, but I think we'd call that array a "database" :) As things get set and calculated and changed, a db row gives me a nice way to access by any of these. Without it, I'd have to manually set everything in additional arrays just to keep track of things, which is an army of bugs waiting to be sprayed . . . Also, my db need is *very* simple. I use a few UNION just to turn things into a single access, and some compound WHERE, but no JOIN, related tables, and whatnot. -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From jacques.clavel at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 13:35:58 2014 From: jacques.clavel at gmail.com (jacques CLAVEL) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 19:35:58 +0200 Subject: We're Funding LiveCode For the Web In-Reply-To: References: <29FEF326-A852-41B2-B3FB-2D42C1B4FD36@livecode.com> <53B2DADD.6080902@gmail.com> <1404246660.16753.136696865.5F0F26D3@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I have posted a message about the campaign "bring HTML5 to LiveCode" on the forum of the French site "01net" (forum: Logiciels/developpement) http://www.01net.com/ Jacques 2014-07-02 18:59 GMT+02:00 Dr. Hawkins : > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Mark Wilcox > wrote: > > > It's running in the browser, with the LiveCode engine compiled to > > JavaScript. Compiling SQLite to JavaScript and running it locally in the > > browser is not a great option - how will you reliably persist the data > > and keep decent performance? Not that there aren't JavaScript based DB > > solutions that use local file storage. > > > > Actually, all I need is the in-memory db, and for a fairly small database > at that. Performancewise, however, I need that data locally. Changing one > item can result in the need to reference dozens of others to recalculate, > its dependent values. > > > > > > > > Sadly the web standards folks messed up here. Web SQL was effectively > > killed because Mozilla and Microsoft refused to implement it. IndexedDB > > looks like the option that everyone eventually agreed on but it's not > > implemented everywhere yet. I suspect it will be fairly widespread by > > the time the HTML5 deployment option is complete though... > > > > I don't need any *particular* database, but I do need to be able to use > revDataFromQuery(). I initially implented value storage with my getVal() > and setVal() to use an array, but there are too many different ways I > access particular data types; to use anything other than a (light) database > means custom loops through everything for each type of "WHERE" that I use. > If there were an array type that could access the same data from different > independent indices, that *could* work, but I think we'd call that array a > "database" :) > > As things get set and calculated and changed, a db row gives me a nice way > to access by any of these. Without it, I'd have to manually set everything > in additional arrays just to keep track of things, which is an army of bugs > waiting to be sprayed . . . > > Also, my db need is *very* simple. I use a few UNION just to turn things > into a single access, and some compound WHERE, but no JOIN, related tables, > and whatnot. > -- > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > (702) 508-8462 > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > -- Jacques Clavel From brahma at hindu.org Wed Jul 2 17:44:14 2014 From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathswami) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 11:44:14 -1000 Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software Message-ID: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> Anyone using Diagramming software. Look for a free option that runs online and is collaborative. Draw.io Pro for Google Apps seems like the best option, but it is never mentioned anywhere in any of the Diagramming software comparisons. -- Swasti Astu, Be Well! Brahmanathaswami Kauai's Hindu Monastery www.HimalayanAcademy.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Jul 2 17:44:51 2014 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 14:44:51 -0700 Subject: [ANN] HTML 5 Campaign Monitor Message-ID: I saw a request from Heather about wanting a notifier for the HTML 5 campaign so I put together a little stack for this. Execute the following in your message box: go url "http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7192863/HTML5_Monitor.livecode" The stack scrapes data from the campaign page and is configured to automatically check status every 5 minutes, with a chime/refresh animation if a change is detected. There's a manual refresh at the bottom of the window. Note that the campaign page is slow to load here in California (several seconds) so a busy indicator is displayed while the stack is fetching data. Make your pledge and listen for the chime :-) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX/UI Design From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 17:54:49 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 00:54:49 +0300 Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software In-Reply-To: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> References: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> Message-ID: <53B47FA9.80503@gmail.com> On 03/07/14 00:44, Brahmanathswami wrote: > Anyone using Diagramming software. Look for a free option that runs > online and is collaborative. > > Draw.io Pro for Google Apps seems like the best option, but it is > never mentioned anywhere in any of the Diagramming software comparisons. > > I have used this, and it seems to do the job: https://www.lucidchart.com/ Richmond. From brahma at hindu.org Wed Jul 2 18:02:33 2014 From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathswami) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 12:02:33 -1000 Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software In-Reply-To: <53B47FA9.80503@gmail.com> References: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> <53B47FA9.80503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B48179.8020608@hindu.org> >> Anyone using Diagramming software. Look for a free option that runs >> online and is collaborative. >> >> Draw.io Pro for Google Apps seems like the best option, but it is >> never mentioned anywhere in any of the Diagramming software comparisons. >> >> > > I have used this, and it seems to do the job: > > https://www.lucidchart.com/ > > Lucid Chart: I've been watching that one for years... Very limited options in the free version...only 5 diagrams.... From brahma at hindu.org Wed Jul 2 18:14:04 2014 From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathswami) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2014 12:14:04 -1000 Subject: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store? Message-ID: <53B4842C.3020906@hindu.org> Dumb, old question: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store? I'm reviewing again the differences between the Open Source "community" version and the Commercial license, which I thought I understood well... (See the faq http://livecode.com/support/ask-a-question/) But this is puzzling: Under Open source: 1) Acme Corp wants to distribute their app and source code directly from their website, for use on any platform Commercial option: 2) Acme Corp wants to submit their free or paid iOS or Mac OS app, to the official Apple iTunes or Mac App Store Regarding # 1 above: Can iOS users really download an app from any web site and install it on their iPhone or iPad without going through the App Store? I did not think this was possible unless you had the GUID for each device you want to deploy to and that was limited to 100 devices. But this verbiage -- "distribute their app and source code directly from their website, for use on any platform" -- implies I could put an iOS app on our site and someone could just download --> drag into iTunes --> sync and voila!... the app is running on their iPhone/iPad. or navigate in their iPhone to a download link and click to install the app.... Is that even possible? What am I missing here? Swasti Astu, Be Well! Brahmanathaswami Kauai's Hindu Monastery www.HimalayanAcademy.com From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net Wed Jul 2 18:39:07 2014 From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:39:07 -0400 Subject: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store? In-Reply-To: <53B4842C.3020906@hindu.org> References: <53B4842C.3020906@hindu.org> Message-ID: <00be01cf9646$6fb89a80$4f29cf80$@net> Apple has removed the option to delete a device except at license renewal time. This limits non iStore distribution to 100 devices per year per license. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdimola at evergreeninfo.net -----Original Message----- From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Brahmanathswami Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 6:14 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store? Dumb, old question: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store? I'm reviewing again the differences between the Open Source "community" version and the Commercial license, which I thought I understood well... (See the faq http://livecode.com/support/ask-a-question/) But this is puzzling: Under Open source: 1) Acme Corp wants to distribute their app and source code directly from their website, for use on any platform Commercial option: 2) Acme Corp wants to submit their free or paid iOS or Mac OS app, to the official Apple iTunes or Mac App Store Regarding # 1 above: Can iOS users really download an app from any web site and install it on their iPhone or iPad without going through the App Store? I did not think this was possible unless you had the GUID for each device you want to deploy to and that was limited to 100 devices. But this verbiage -- "distribute their app and source code directly from their website, for use on any platform" -- implies I could put an iOS app on our site and someone could just download --> drag into iTunes --> sync and voila!... the app is running on their iPhone/iPad. or navigate in their iPhone to a download link and click to install the app.... Is that even possible? What am I missing here? Swasti Astu, Be Well! Brahmanathaswami Kauai's Hindu Monastery www.HimalayanAcademy.com _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From vclement at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 18:42:54 2014 From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 15:42:54 -0700 Subject: [ANN] HTML 5 Campaign Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott Nice little app... Thank you Vaughn Clement Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support) *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/ * Skype: vaughn.clement https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com LogMeIn also avaialble Call on "ooVoo" at address: vaughnclement or 9282549062 Ph. 928-254-9062 On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > I saw a request from Heather about wanting a notifier for the HTML 5 > campaign so I put together a little stack for this. Execute the following > in your message box: > > go url "http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7192863/HTML5_Monitor.livecode" > > > The stack scrapes data from the campaign page and is configured to > automatically check status every 5 minutes, with a chime/refresh animation > if a change is detected. There's a manual refresh at the bottom of the > window. Note that the campaign page is slow to load here in California > (several seconds) so a busy indicator is displayed while the stack is > fetching data. > > Make your pledge and listen for the chime :-) > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, UX/UI Design > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From peterwawood at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 19:53:09 2014 From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 07:53:09 +0800 Subject: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store? References: <594B6386-15B4-4857-B1D7-CF8A99091C5E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8AD22DB3-3F42-4BAA-AE9D-F4D784DD58A2@gmail.com> Brahmanathswami It seems that what you are missing is that your LiveCode script and the LiveCode engine will be compiled to a Web App, a combination of HTML, CSS and JavaScript. It will not be installed on the iOS device but will run in the browser. I suspect that the resultant HTML, CSS and JavaScript will not just be big, it will be massive. However, provided you use future dating on the HTML, CSS and JavaScript, users should only need to download the WebApp once. (This will take a little care or else users will find it very difficult to receive updates to the WebApp). Regards Peter On 3 Jul 2014, at 06:14, Brahmanathswami wrote: > Dumb, old question: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store? > > I'm reviewing again the differences between the Open Source "community" version and the Commercial license, which I thought I understood well... (See the faq http://livecode.com/support/ask-a-question/) > > But this is puzzling: Under > > Open source: > > 1) Acme Corp wants to distribute their app and source code directly from their website, for use on any platform > > Commercial option: > > 2) Acme Corp wants to submit their free or paid iOS or Mac OS app, to the official Apple iTunes or Mac App Store > > Regarding # 1 above: > > Can iOS users really download an app from any web site and install it on their iPhone or iPad without going through the App Store? > > I did not think this was possible unless you had the GUID for each device you want to deploy to and that was limited to 100 devices. But this verbiage -- "distribute their app and source code directly from their website, for use on any platform" -- implies I could put an iOS app on our site and someone could just download --> drag into iTunes --> sync and voila!... the app is running on their iPhone/iPad. or navigate in their iPhone to a download link and click to install the app.... > > Is that even possible? What am I missing here? > > Swasti Astu, Be Well! > Brahmanathaswami > > Kauai's Hindu Monastery > www.HimalayanAcademy.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Wed Jul 2 20:23:05 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 17:23:05 -0700 Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software In-Reply-To: <53B48179.8020608@hindu.org> References: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> <53B47FA9.80503@gmail.com> <53B48179.8020608@hindu.org> Message-ID: The Chrome Web Store has another one named Glifffy Diagrams. Never used it so can't comment on if it's any good or not. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Brahmanathswami wrote: > > Anyone using Diagramming software. Look for a free option that runs >>> online and is collaborative. >>> >>> Draw.io Pro for Google Apps seems like the best option, but it is never >>> mentioned anywhere in any of the Diagramming software comparisons. >>> >>> >>> >> I have used this, and it seems to do the job: >> >> https://www.lucidchart.com/ >> >> >> > Lucid Chart: I've been watching that one for years... Very limited options > in the free version...only 5 diagrams.... > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca Wed Jul 2 22:07:05 2014 From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 19:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ANN] HTML 5 Campaign Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1404353225738-4680820.post@n4.nabble.com> Your eye for detail is amazing. Heather will be pleased -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/ANN-HTML-5-Campaign-Monitor-tp4680812p4680820.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david at viral.academy Thu Jul 3 04:14:50 2014 From: david at viral.academy (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 09:14:50 +0100 Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software In-Reply-To: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> References: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> Message-ID: draw.io looks good to me. Thanks for the link - seem to remember a similar app as a Chrome extension I came across in the last month... On 2 July 2014 22:44, Brahmanathswami wrote: > Anyone using Diagramming software. Look for a free option that runs > online and is collaborative. > > Draw.io Pro for Google Apps seems like the best option, but it is never > mentioned anywhere in any of the Diagramming software comparisons. > > > -- > Swasti Astu, Be Well! > Brahmanathaswami > > Kauai's Hindu Monastery > www.HimalayanAcademy.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jul 3 10:21:14 2014 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 07:21:14 -0700 Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software In-Reply-To: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> References: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> Message-ID: <16082980105.20140703072114@ahsoftware.net> Brahmanathswami- Wednesday, July 2, 2014, 2:44:14 PM, you wrote: > Anyone using Diagramming software. Look for a free option that runs > online and is collaborative. Maybe this? http://blog.chipp.com/category/diagram-creator/ -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. From prothero at earthednet.org Thu Jul 3 13:32:36 2014 From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 10:32:36 -0700 Subject: Inhibit mouse Events possible? Message-ID: Folks: Is it possible to inhibit mouse events? Some of the operations that are initiated by a mouse click require a bit of time and I don?t want the user to be able to click around until each operation is finished. One approach would be to put a transparent rectangle over the stack and not pass events, but I wonder if there is a more direct way. Thanks, Bill William A. Prothero, Ph.D. University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus) Santa Barbara, CA. 93105 http://es.earthednet.org/ From iowahengst at mac.com Thu Jul 3 13:36:29 2014 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 12:36:29 -0500 Subject: Inhibit mouse Events possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bill, Check out: "Use the flushEvents function to prevent unwanted messages from being sent during a handler's execution." be well, randy ----- On Jul 3, 2014, at 12:32 PM, William Prothero wrote: > Folks: > > Is it possible to inhibit mouse events? Some of the operations that are initiated by a mouse click require a bit of time and I don?t want the user to be able to click around until each operation is finished. One approach would be to put a transparent rectangle over the stack and not pass events, but I wonder if there is a more direct way. > > Thanks, > Bill > > William A. Prothero, Ph.D. > University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus) > Santa Barbara, CA. 93105 > http://es.earthednet.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Jul 3 13:45:24 2014 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:45:24 +0200 Subject: Inhibit mouse Events possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53B596B4.9040000@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Bill, One way to do this: local lBusy,lSecs on mouseUp if lBusy is true then beep exit mouseUp else if lBusy is not true then put true into lBusy put the seconds into lSecs repeat forever with messages // some long task here if the seconds - lSecs > 5 then exit repeat wait 0 millisecs with messages end repeat put false into lBusy end if end mouseUp This script doesn't allow running the script again, as long as it hasn't finished. If you have multiple controls that should not be used while the script runs, you can disable the other controls or use a global variable and check the global variable in the other scripts. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 7/3/2014 19:32, William Prothero wrote: > Folks: > > Is it possible to inhibit mouse events? Some of the operations that are initiated by a mouse click require a bit of time and I don?t want the user to be able to click around until each operation is finished. One approach would be to put a transparent rectangle over the stack and not pass events, but I wonder if there is a more direct way. > > Thanks, > Bill > > William A. Prothero, Ph.D. > University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus) > Santa Barbara, CA. 93105 > http://es.earthednet.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Thu Jul 3 13:55:38 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 10:55:38 -0700 Subject: Inhibit mouse Events possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I guess you could lock messages but that would lock all messages not just mouse events. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:32 AM, William Prothero wrote: > Folks: > > Is it possible to inhibit mouse events? Some of the operations that are > initiated by a mouse click require a bit of time and I don?t want the user > to be able to click around until each operation is finished. One approach > would be to put a transparent rectangle over the stack and not pass events, > but I wonder if there is a more direct way. > > Thanks, > Bill > > William A. Prothero, Ph.D. > University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus) > Santa Barbara, CA. 93105 > http://es.earthednet.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From johnpatten at me.com Thu Jul 3 14:48:22 2014 From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 11:48:22 -0700 Subject: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store? In-Reply-To: <53B4842C.3020906@hindu.org> References: <53B4842C.3020906@hindu.org> Message-ID: <11128FC5-308D-4206-B965-8B3B336C8061@me.com> Hello! Only other option is to purchase an Apple Enterprise License. Then you can distribute apps within your organization , but not to general public. For example, a school district might purchase an enterprise license to distribute home grown apps to their staff. Cheers! John Patten SUSD Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2014, at 3:14 PM, Brahmanathswami wrote: > > Dumb, old question: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store? > > I'm reviewing again the differences between the Open Source "community" version and the Commercial license, which I thought I understood well... (See the faq http://livecode.com/support/ask-a-question/) > > But this is puzzling: Under > > Open source: > > 1) Acme Corp wants to distribute their app and source code directly from their website, for use on any platform > > Commercial option: > > 2) Acme Corp wants to submit their free or paid iOS or Mac OS app, to the official Apple iTunes or Mac App Store > > Regarding # 1 above: > > Can iOS users really download an app from any web site and install it on their iPhone or iPad without going through the App Store? > > I did not think this was possible unless you had the GUID for each device you want to deploy to and that was limited to 100 devices. But this verbiage -- "distribute their app and source code directly from their website, for use on any platform" -- implies I could put an iOS app on our site and someone could just download --> drag into iTunes --> sync and voila!... the app is running on their iPhone/iPad. or navigate in their iPhone to a download link and click to install the app.... > > Is that even possible? What am I missing here? > > Swasti Astu, Be Well! > Brahmanathaswami > > Kauai's Hindu Monastery > www.HimalayanAcademy.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From prothero at earthednet.org Thu Jul 3 15:26:00 2014 From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 12:26:00 -0700 Subject: Inhibit mouse Events possible? In-Reply-To: <53B596B4.9040000@economy-x-talk.com> References: <53B596B4.9040000@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <1B709A4D-5C3E-42A0-B52C-0944842E6F19@earthednet.org> Folks: Actually, I like the method of putting a transparent rectangle over the stack window and trapping all mouse events. That makes the number of places where I have to modify my code much smaller. I have multiple buttons on the screen and they each call a number of handlers. I just thought there might be a command to disable mouse messages. Best, Bill On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Bill, > > One way to do this: > > local lBusy,lSecs > on mouseUp > if lBusy is true then > beep > exit mouseUp > else if lBusy is not true then > put true into lBusy > put the seconds into lSecs > repeat forever with messages > // some long task here > if the seconds - lSecs > 5 then exit repeat > wait 0 millisecs with messages > end repeat > put false into lBusy > end if > end mouseUp > > This script doesn't allow running the script again, as long as it hasn't finished. If you have multiple controls that should not be used while the script runs, you can disable the other controls or use a global variable and check the global variable in the other scripts. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer > KvK: 50277553 > > Installer Maker for LiveCode: > http://qery.us/468 > > Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi > > LiveCode on Facebook: > https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ > > On 7/3/2014 19:32, William Prothero wrote: >> Folks: >> >> Is it possible to inhibit mouse events? Some of the operations that are initiated by a mouse click require a bit of time and I don?t want the user to be able to click around until each operation is finished. One approach would be to put a transparent rectangle over the stack and not pass events, but I wonder if there is a more direct way. >> >> Thanks, >> Bill >> >> William A. Prothero, Ph.D. >> University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus) >> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105 >> http://es.earthednet.org/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From brahma at hindu.org Thu Jul 3 15:26:46 2014 From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathswami) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 09:26:46 -1000 Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software In-Reply-To: References: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> Message-ID: <53B5AE76.2030700@hindu.org> Surprising that draw.io gets so little press. Free for up to 500 users with unlimited docs... made by http://www.jgraph.com/... which is a pretty advanced company... Lucid Chart and Giffy have other features but they charge.... https://jgraph.freshdesk.com/support/articles/57101-how-come-draw-io-is-free-and-will-it-stay "In terms of the online web site, charging $5 per user per month model is more expensive in administration costs than leaving the product free. The competition has set an unrealistic pricing model in this area, it's not a viable business to enter." And we are very close to real-time collaboration which would be way cool. Check this Jun 13 support doc. https://jgraph.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/3000012533-how-do-i-get-real-time-collaboration-on-draw-io-using-google Swasti Astu, Be Well! Brahmanathaswami Kauai's Hindu Monastery www.HimalayanAcademy.com David Bovill wrote: > draw.io looks good to me. Thanks for the link - seem to remember a similar > app as a Chrome extension I came across in the last month... From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Jul 3 15:36:14 2014 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 21:36:14 +0200 Subject: Inhibit mouse Events possible? In-Reply-To: <1B709A4D-5C3E-42A0-B52C-0944842E6F19@earthednet.org> References: <53B596B4.9040000@economy-x-talk.com> <1B709A4D-5C3E-42A0-B52C-0944842E6F19@earthednet.org> Message-ID: <53B5B0AE.8000104@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Bill, If you like your own approach, just do what you think is best. I discourage such brute force approaches however, because if something goes wrong, the only way for the user to get out of the trap is to restart the software. My example can be adjusted fairly easily to provide a way out: local lBusy,lSecs on mouseUp if lBusy is true and the optionKey is up then beep exit mouseUp else if lBusy is not true then put true into lBusy put the seconds into lSecs repeat forever with messages // some long task here if the seconds - lSecs > 5 then exit repeat wait 0 millisecs with messages if the optionKey is down then exit mouseUp end repeat put false into lBusy else if the optionKey is down then put false into lBusy // enable disabled controls if any end if end mouseUp -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 7/3/2014 21:26, William Prothero wrote: > Folks: > Actually, I like the method of putting a transparent rectangle over the stack window and trapping all mouse events. That makes the number of places where I have to modify my code much smaller. I have multiple buttons on the screen and they each call a number of handlers. I just thought there might be a command to disable mouse messages. > Best, > Bill > > On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > >> Hi Bill, >> >> One way to do this: >> >> local lBusy,lSecs >> on mouseUp >> if lBusy is true then >> beep >> exit mouseUp >> else if lBusy is not true then >> put true into lBusy >> put the seconds into lSecs >> repeat forever with messages >> // some long task here >> if the seconds - lSecs > 5 then exit repeat >> wait 0 millisecs with messages >> end repeat >> put false into lBusy >> end if >> end mouseUp >> >> This script doesn't allow running the script again, as long as it hasn't finished. If you have multiple controls that should not be used while the script runs, you can disable the other controls or use a global variable and check the global variable in the other scripts. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >> KvK: 50277553 >> >> Installer Maker for LiveCode: >> http://qery.us/468 >> >> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi >> >> LiveCode on Facebook: >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ >> >> On 7/3/2014 19:32, William Prothero wrote: >>> Folks: >>> >>> Is it possible to inhibit mouse events? Some of the operations that are initiated by a mouse click require a bit of time and I don?t want the user to be able to click around until each operation is finished. One approach would be to put a transparent rectangle over the stack and not pass events, but I wonder if there is a more direct way. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Bill >>> >>> William A. Prothero, Ph.D. >>> University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus) >>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105 >>> http://es.earthednet.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 15:44:57 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 22:44:57 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers Message-ID: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> So I have a field containing a text string (nothing very special there). BUT, I want to delete the eleventh character. Now scripts like this: delete the tenth char in fld "TEKST" work superbly. But after 'tenth' we get "in a pickle" . . . . and we have to do this: delete char 11 in fld "TEKST" SO; after 'tenth' we switch from Ordinal to Cardinal numbering, which is: 1. Inconsistent. 2. Makes the "Livecode Programming is in easy to understand English" sort of pronouncement look a bit disingenuous. 3. The Dictionary does NOT warn users about this change: for instance, if one types 'tenth' into the Dictionary search one gets this: "Use the tenth keyword in an object reference or chunk expression. It does NOT contain a "Government Health Warning" like this: For references above 10 one must use Cardinal numbers and the syntax of statements is different. ----------------------------------- Today, having got my 10-13 years olds onto importing and exporting RTF documents; one of them [you know the one: the one you want to both throttle and admire for his/her thinking about 3 kilometres in front of you] asks "how do I set up a series of buttons to delete the first, second and third character in a textField?" SO, told her (let's cut out the politically correct crap; all the kids I teach who get their heads round Livecode really quickly are girls: the boys just lose interest) to use: delete the third char . . . Of course she obviously overdosed on Coca-Cola before class and decided to have buttons for 1st to 20th (well, she may be good at programming, but she is still a 12 year old kid); and, obviously things go pear-shaped at 'eleventh'. So told the girl that at that point you have to do: delete char 11 . . . AND; LO! out of the mouths of babes . . . "That's silly!" Which it is, frankly. SO: I did the usually "middle-aged teacher fudges around so that, eventually, he looks even more stupid than he does already" and told her that the best way to get around that was to do: delete char 1 . . . and, of course, her reply was: "So, if that's best why did you tell me about 'first, second' and 'third'?" Now I had a choice of things to say at that moment: 1. "Because I'm a slob who didn't think about that problem." [possibly the only reasons I didn't use this one was that it was a bit early in the morning for honesty, and, as a Bulgarian learning English she doesn't know the word 'slob'] 2. "Because I didn't think you would go beyond 'third'" Neither of which are frankly satisfactory. ------------------- Love from the "chalk face", Richmond. From paulhibbert at mac.com Thu Jul 3 16:46:49 2014 From: paulhibbert at mac.com (Paul Hibbert) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 13:46:49 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36C6AC23-7D5E-4D77-BB9E-18EE47C60CE0@mac.com> On 2014-07-03, at 12:44 PM, Richmond wrote: > Now I had a choice of things to say at that moment: > > 1. "Because I'm a slob who didn't think about that problem." [possibly the only reasons I didn't use this > one was that it was a bit early in the morning for honesty, and, as a Bulgarian learning English she > doesn't know the word 'slob'] > > 2. "Because I didn't think you would go beyond 'third'" > > Neither of which are frankly satisfactory. But isn't a teacher's default answer; "Because you need to learn to walk before you can run."? Paul From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Thu Jul 3 17:43:46 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 00:43:46 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <36C6AC23-7D5E-4D77-BB9E-18EE47C60CE0@mac.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <36C6AC23-7D5E-4D77-BB9E-18EE47C60CE0@mac.com> Message-ID: <53B5CE92.7040000@gmail.com> On 03/07/14 23:46, Paul Hibbert wrote: > On 2014-07-03, at 12:44 PM, Richmond wrote: > >> Now I had a choice of things to say at that moment: >> >> 1. "Because I'm a slob who didn't think about that problem." [possibly the only reasons I didn't use this >> one was that it was a bit early in the morning for honesty, and, as a Bulgarian learning English she >> doesn't know the word 'slob'] >> >> 2. "Because I didn't think you would go beyond 'third'" >> >> Neither of which are frankly satisfactory. > But isn't a teacher's default answer; "Because you need to learn to walk before you can run."? > > Paul > > That has never, ever struck me as a satisfactory answer to a child who is not some moronic ant in a grinding-mill of a school. While my school is a language school (English as a Foreign Language) thoughtful parents send their children to me because, instead of just force-feeding the children undigested factoids, I force then to think. Every summer I go 'extreme' and use one of the best tools I know to get kids thinking: Livecode. Now, when a kid begins to think ahead of a lesson I have a straight choice: 1. Squash them there and then; turning them into jolly little factory workers. 2. Encouraging their initiative. Well, as a large part of my own education was blighted by Mr Gradgrind's latter day relatives, I have no intention of repeating their disgusting suppression of intelligence on my pupils. ----------------- I have always thought of myself as a repressed educational t*rr*rist: longing to blow up schools! [Hey; let's see if this message bounces because of the "T" word: perhaps I'll bung a couple of stars in there to confuse the bots.] Obviously that is unrealistic and would cause even more suffering than those schools cause already. So, my "revolution" is to teach children English in a different way to what they get in both their schools and the other EFL schools that are seriously big business hereabouts. I get children coming to me every year after 3-4 years in one of the EFL "tanks"; they have all sorts of fancy diplomas. Usually the reason why parents bring their kids to me, as that after 3-4 years in a tank they go on holiday to England, Greece or Turkey: at which point the penny drops: although kiddo has the proper way to form the Past Perfect Continuous Passive inside his/her head: they are incapable of asking the way to the bus station, ordering a glass of lemonade, or complaining in the hotel that there is no hot water. So; just as my Great Grandfather, Tom Elkington, was a horse-whisperer in Norfolk; I have to do something "different" with those children. So; 3-4 levels of heavy communicative approach and process writing; followed by upper level English coupled with the "Joy" of For . . . Next loops does wonders. ------------------------------ When my "champion" went home and built a data-base sort of program in Livecode for her Granddad to keep track of the backgammon league he runs in his small town, I knew that something really good was happening: especially when it turned out that Granddad was a retired programmer who blew his mind that his 12 year old grand-daughter could do that after 6 hours of instruction. Richmond. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Jul 3 17:43:54 2014 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 23:43:54 +0200 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Richmond, Ten is defined as a constant and tenth as a keyword according to the dictionary. Eleven and eleventh aren't defined. Although a warning might be appropriate, it is easy to find out why it doesn't work, if one reads the dictionary: eleven and eleventh don't exist. Unfortunately, something lacking from the dictionary doesn't always mean that it doesn't exist :-( I agree it is silly that LiveCode only contains the constants one to ten. I'm not sure that it is possible to have an infinite number of constants defined as ordinal numbers, but it should be possible to do this for very large numbers. Perhaps a feature request? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 7/3/2014 21:44, Richmond wrote: > So I have a field containing a text string (nothing very special there). > > BUT, I want to delete the eleventh character. > > Now scripts like this: > > delete the tenth char in fld "TEKST" > > work superbly. > > But after 'tenth' we get "in a pickle" . . . . > > and we have to do this: > > delete char 11 in fld "TEKST" > > SO; after 'tenth' we switch from Ordinal to Cardinal numbering, which is: > > 1. Inconsistent. > > 2. Makes the "Livecode Programming is in easy to understand English" > sort of pronouncement > look a bit disingenuous. > > 3. The Dictionary does NOT warn users about this change: > > for instance, if one types 'tenth' into the Dictionary search one gets > this: > > "Use the tenth keyword in an object reference or chunk expression. > > It does NOT contain a "Government Health Warning" like this: > > For references above 10 one must use Cardinal numbers and the syntax of > statements is > different. > > ----------------------------------- > > Today, having got my 10-13 years olds onto importing and exporting RTF > documents; > one of them [you know the one: the one you want to both throttle and > admire for > his/her thinking about 3 kilometres in front of you] asks "how do I set > up a series of buttons to delete > the first, second and third character in a textField?" SO, told her > (let's cut out the politically correct crap; all the kids I teach who > get their heads round Livecode really quickly are girls: the boys just > lose interest) > to use: > > delete the third char . . . > > Of course she obviously overdosed on Coca-Cola before class and decided > to have buttons for 1st to 20th (well, she may be good at programming, > but she is still a 12 year old kid); and, obviously things go > pear-shaped at 'eleventh'. > > So told the girl that at that point you have to do: > > delete char 11 . . . > > AND; LO! out of the mouths of babes . . . > > "That's silly!" > > Which it is, frankly. > > SO: I did the usually "middle-aged teacher fudges around so that, > eventually, he looks even more > stupid than he does already" and told her that the best way to get > around that was to do: > > delete char 1 . . . > > and, of course, her reply was: "So, if that's best why did you tell me > about 'first, second' and 'third'?" > > Now I had a choice of things to say at that moment: > > 1. "Because I'm a slob who didn't think about that problem." [possibly > the only reasons I didn't use this > one was that it was a bit early in the morning for honesty, and, as a > Bulgarian learning English she > doesn't know the word 'slob'] > > 2. "Because I didn't think you would go beyond 'third'" > > Neither of which are frankly satisfactory. > > ------------------- > > Love from the "chalk face", Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Jul 3 18:46:50 2014 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 15:46:50 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> What would seem a reasonable upper limit to English-like spelled numbers? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Jul 3 18:59:36 2014 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 00:59:36 +0200 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> No idea. Just take a pencil, start writing and see when you think you've had enough. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 7/4/2014 00:46, Richard Gaskin wrote: > What would seem a reasonable upper limit to English-like spelled numbers? > From pete at lcsql.com Thu Jul 3 19:21:26 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 16:21:26 -0700 Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software In-Reply-To: <53B5AE76.2030700@hindu.org> References: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> <53B5AE76.2030700@hindu.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Brahmanathswami wrote: > And we are very close to real-time collaboration which would be way cool. > Check this Jun 13 support doc. > > https://jgraph.freshdesk.com/support/solutions/articles/ > 3000012533-how-do-i-get-real-time-collaboration-on-draw-io-using-google > I just installed it and got a choice of Google Drive, Dropbox and a third one which I don't remember. Installed in Google Drive and all seems to work well. Very nice app. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Jul 3 19:28:00 2014 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 16:28:00 -0700 Subject: Inhibit mouse Events possible? In-Reply-To: <1B709A4D-5C3E-42A0-B52C-0944842E6F19@earthednet.org> References: <53B596B4.9040000@economy-x-talk.com> <1B709A4D-5C3E-42A0-B52C-0944842E6F19@earthednet.org> Message-ID: Another option is to use a frontscript to intercept mouseup (or down) messages before they arrive at the controls on the card. A frontscript is foolproof and will handle all controls, but you need to plan this carefully because, as Mark mentioned, you don't want to leave the stack unable to function normally. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media UX/UI Design > On Jul 3, 2014, at 12:26 PM, William Prothero wrote: > > Folks: > Actually, I like the method of putting a transparent rectangle over the stack window and trapping all mouse events. That makes the number of places where I have to modify my code much smaller. I have multiple buttons on the screen and they each call a number of handlers. I just thought there might be a command to disable mouse messages. > Best, > Bill > >> On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: >> >> Hi Bill, >> >> One way to do this: >> >> local lBusy,lSecs >> on mouseUp >> if lBusy is true then >> beep >> exit mouseUp >> else if lBusy is not true then >> put true into lBusy >> put the seconds into lSecs >> repeat forever with messages >> // some long task here >> if the seconds - lSecs > 5 then exit repeat >> wait 0 millisecs with messages >> end repeat >> put false into lBusy >> end if >> end mouseUp >> >> This script doesn't allow running the script again, as long as it hasn't finished. If you have multiple controls that should not be used while the script runs, you can disable the other controls or use a global variable and check the global variable in the other scripts. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer >> KvK: 50277553 >> >> Installer Maker for LiveCode: >> http://qery.us/468 >> >> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi >> >> LiveCode on Facebook: >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ >> >>> On 7/3/2014 19:32, William Prothero wrote: >>> Folks: >>> >>> Is it possible to inhibit mouse events? Some of the operations that are initiated by a mouse click require a bit of time and I don?t want the user to be able to click around until each operation is finished. One approach would be to put a transparent rectangle over the stack and not pass events, but I wonder if there is a more direct way. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Bill >>> >>> William A. Prothero, Ph.D. >>> University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus) >>> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105 >>> http://es.earthednet.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-livecode mailing list >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From charles at buchwald.ca Thu Jul 3 19:29:51 2014 From: charles at buchwald.ca (Charles E Buchwald) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 18:29:51 -0500 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5CE92.7040000@gmail.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <36C6AC23-7D5E-4D77-BB9E-18EE47C60CE0@mac.com> <53B5CE92.7040000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <991D5967-47A7-4BBD-9513-70D85636B80F@buchwald.ca> Richmond, As a sometimes teacher myself, I really appreciate your compulsion to foster initiative. How about showing your "champion" how to define constants? Then she could go ahead and use "eleven" and "twelve" and so on... - Charles On 03 Jul 2014, at 4:43 PM, Richmond wrote: > That has never, ever struck me as a satisfactory answer to a child who is not some > moronic ant in a grinding-mill of a school.... -- Charles E. Buchwald CEO/Director General Museografica Digital http://digital.museografica.com LC Developer Tools: http://buchwald.ca/developer-tools/ Email Notice: http://wp.me/P3aT4d-33 From jhj at jhj.com Thu Jul 3 19:40:35 2014 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 16:40:35 -0700 Subject: Inhibit mouse Events possible? In-Reply-To: <53B596B4.9040000@economy-x-talk.com> References: <53B596B4.9040000@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <0D05D99C-FC67-4AA9-BD0D-2E44ABD5576E@jhj.com> On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > > repeat forever with messages ??? repeat with messages ??? I think we've been through this before. The compiler doesn't mind, but the "with messages" part is not legal syntax and does nothing. From charles at buchwald.ca Thu Jul 3 19:45:41 2014 From: charles at buchwald.ca (Charles E Buchwald) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 18:45:41 -0500 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: If you are strict about how they are written, then you don't need many constants and keywords. Just add: eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty thirty forty fifty sixty seventy eighty ninety hundred thousand million billion These 21 additional words would allow numbers up to 999 billion if you construct your phrases like this: "one hundred thousand two hundred fourteen" or "twenty million four hundred twenty two thousand three hundred forty six" If you add the "th" suffix to the first nine, then you can include stuff like "one hundred thousand two hundred fourteenth" - Charles On 03 Jul 2014, at 5:46 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > What would seem a reasonable upper limit to English-like spelled numbers? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode -- Charles E. Buchwald CEO/Director General Museografica Digital http://digital.museografica.com LC Developer Tools: http://buchwald.ca/developer-tools/ Email Notice: http://wp.me/P3aT4d-33 From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Jul 3 19:49:25 2014 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 16:49:25 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Charles E Buchwald wrote: > > These 21 additional words would allow numbers up to 999 billion if you > construct your phrases like this: > "one hundred thousand two hundred fourteen" > or > "twenty million four hundred twenty two thousand three hundred forty six" > > If you add the "th" suffix to the first nine, then you can include stuff > like > "one hundred thousand two hundred fourteenth" And of course a different set of constants for French, German, etc. Can a multi-dimensional constant be created? *--* *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words* From jhj at jhj.com Thu Jul 3 19:50:45 2014 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 16:50:45 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <6BB6A5F5-1D10-4E2E-958E-2245F90C43F4@jhj.com> In the Electronic Maintenance shop at Capitol Records, one guy had two stock answers that he snarkily claimed would answer all questions. First answer: three. Second answer: it can't be done. So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) .Jerry On Jul 3, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > No idea. Just take a pencil, start writing and see when you think you've had enough. > On 7/4/2014 00:46, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> What would seem a reasonable upper limit to English-like spelled numbers? From alex at tweedly.net Thu Jul 3 20:06:16 2014 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 01:06:16 +0100 Subject: OT : Advice on SQL database design In-Reply-To: References: <53B1FF90.1070609@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <53B5EFF8.6060403@tweedly.net> On 01/07/2014 13:17, Robert Brenstein wrote: > > You will get lots of advice, I am sure. Database design is a science > and an art. What helps often is to identify data along the lines of > I did indeed get lots of good advice - many thanks to all who replied. So many new things to read about .... I'm particularly interested in the idea of NoSQL databases - they seem too good to be true :-) It's not clear whether any of them can be deployed without (at least) a VPS, so I'll stick to basics for now and understand what can be done with SQL first, before exploring beyond that. Thanks again for the advice, reading lists, etc. -- Alex. From SimPLsol at aol.com Thu Jul 3 20:15:17 2014 From: SimPLsol at aol.com (Paul Looney) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 17:15:17 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: 31 - the maximum number of days in month. > On Jul 3, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > What would seem a reasonable upper limit to English-like spelled numbers? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jul 3 20:50:38 2014 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 17:50:38 -0700 Subject: OT : Advice on SQL database design In-Reply-To: <53B5EFF8.6060403@tweedly.net> References: <53B1FF90.1070609@tweedly.net> <53B5EFF8.6060403@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <124120743840.20140703175038@ahsoftware.net> Alex- Thursday, July 3, 2014, 5:06:16 PM, you wrote: > I'm particularly interested in the idea of NoSQL databases - they seem > too good to be true :-) Well, be careful with nosql databases. In many cases they are indeed too good to be true. You need to be very specific with your needs. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Jul 3 20:59:46 2014 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 17:59:46 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <6BB6A5F5-1D10-4E2E-958E-2245F90C43F4@jhj.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> <6BB6A5F5-1D10-4E2E-958E-2245F90C43F4@jhj.com> Message-ID: <121121291440.20140703175946@ahsoftware.net> Jerry- Thursday, July 3, 2014, 4:50:45 PM, you wrote: > So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) Three is also the largest number crows can distinguish, so that makes sense. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. From jhj at jhj.com Thu Jul 3 21:50:46 2014 From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 18:50:46 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <121121291440.20140703175946@ahsoftware.net> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> <6BB6A5F5-1D10-4E2E-958E-2245F90C43F4@jhj.com> <121121291440.20140703175946@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On Jul 3, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jerry- > > Thursday, July 3, 2014, 4:50:45 PM, you wrote: > >> So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) > > Three is also the largest number crows can distinguish, so that makes > sense. Ah! Oh, wait... From gerry.orkin at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 02:29:16 2014 From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:29:16 +1000 Subject: Can You Really Install an iOS App outside of Apple's App Store? In-Reply-To: <00be01cf9646$6fb89a80$4f29cf80$@net> References: <53B4842C.3020906@hindu.org> <00be01cf9646$6fb89a80$4f29cf80$@net> Message-ID: <02B6C175-3ABC-46A7-B95D-065352A2278E@gmail.com> Kinda sorta. In iOS 8 if you want to somewhat misuse the service (it's meant for beta testing) you can use TestFlight and install onto 1000 devices. https://developer.apple.com/support/appstore/TestFlight/ Gerry On 3 Jul 2014, at 8:39 am, Ralph DiMola wrote: > Apple has removed the option to delete a device except at license renewal > time. This limits non iStore distribution to 100 devices per year per > license. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 04:04:33 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:04:33 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 00:43, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Richmond, > > Ten is defined as a constant and tenth as a keyword according to the > dictionary. Eleven and eleventh aren't defined. Although a warning > might be appropriate, it is easy to find out why it doesn't work, if > one reads the dictionary: eleven and eleventh don't exist. > Unfortunately, something lacking from the dictionary doesn't always > mean that it doesn't exist :-( > > I agree it is silly that LiveCode only contains the constants one to > ten. I'm not sure that it is possible to have an infinite number of > constants defined as ordinal numbers, but it should be possible to do > this for very large numbers. Perhaps a feature request? > My feature request would be to REMOVE the ordinals! Then one could ONLY do: delete char 3 and so on and things would be consistent. Certainly my "grumble" (and it is only a grumble, it is NOT a roaring complaint) is about inconsistencies, which makes teaching Livecode a bit more difficult than perhaps may be necessary. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 04:05:53 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:05:53 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <53B66061.9060608@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 01:46, Richard Gaskin wrote: > What would seem a reasonable upper limit to English-like spelled numbers? > The problem is not with English spelt numbers: the problem is with the inconsistency of using ordinal numbers for 1 -10 and cardinals thereafter. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 04:06:50 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:06:50 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <53B6609A.5040301@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 01:59, Mark Schonewille wrote: > No idea. Just take a pencil, start writing and see when you think > you've had enough. That made my Friday morning a 1000 times brighter! Love you, man! Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 04:08:04 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:08:04 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <991D5967-47A7-4BBD-9513-70D85636B80F@buchwald.ca> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <36C6AC23-7D5E-4D77-BB9E-18EE47C60CE0@mac.com> <53B5CE92.7040000@gmail.com> <991D5967-47A7-4BBD-9513-70D85636B80F@buchwald.ca> Message-ID: <53B660E4.2050408@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 02:29, Charles E Buchwald wrote: > Richmond, > As a sometimes teacher myself, I really appreciate your compulsion to foster initiative. > How about showing your "champion" how to define constants? Then she could go ahead and use "eleven" and "twelve" and so on... > - Charles > > That's not a bad idea: although it wouldn't be defining "eleven" and "twelve", it would be "eleventh" and "twelfth". Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 04:10:07 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:10:07 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <53B6615F.8090408@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 02:49, stephen barncard wrote: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Charles E Buchwald > wrote: > >> These 21 additional words would allow numbers up to 999 billion if you >> construct your phrases like this: >> "one hundred thousand two hundred fourteen" >> or >> "twenty million four hundred twenty two thousand three hundred forty six" >> >> If you add the "th" suffix to the first nine, then you can include stuff >> like >> "one hundred thousand two hundred fourteenth" > > And of course a different set of constants for French, German, etc. > > Can a multi-dimensional constant be created? > > Ou est le vin rouge? Je suis fou apres le deluge! Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 04:10:39 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:10:39 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <6BB6A5F5-1D10-4E2E-958E-2245F90C43F4@jhj.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> <6BB6A5F5-1D10-4E2E-958E-2245F90C43F4@jhj.com> Message-ID: <53B6617F.9000401@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 02:50, Jerry Jensen wrote: > In the Electronic Maintenance shop at Capitol Records, one guy had two stock answers that he snarkily claimed would answer all questions. First answer: three. Second answer: it can't be done. > > So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) > .Jerry > > 42 Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 04:11:40 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:11:40 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <121121291440.20140703175946@ahsoftware.net> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> <6BB6A5F5-1D10-4E2E-958E-2245F90C43F4@jhj.com> <121121291440.20140703175946@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <53B661BC.4050909@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 03:59, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jerry- > > Thursday, July 3, 2014, 4:50:45 PM, you wrote: > >> So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) > Three is also the largest number crows can distinguish, so that makes > sense. > Maybe next year I'll run a "Livecode for Crows" Summer School: should pull them in by the hundred. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 04:12:53 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:12:53 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> <6BB6A5F5-1D10-4E2E-958E-2245F90C43F4@jhj.com> <121121291440.20140703175946@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <53B66205.7010505@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 04:50, Jerry Jensen wrote: > On Jul 3, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Jerry- >> >> Thursday, July 3, 2014, 4:50:45 PM, you wrote: >> >>> So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) >> Three is also the largest number crows can distinguish, so that makes >> sense. > Ah! Oh, wait... > > > I'm not waiting for anyone; I'm off to the hospital to have an extra 6 toes grafted onto each foot so I can count in Hexadecimal. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 04:15:45 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 11:15:45 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <53B662B1.5030406@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 03:15, Paul Looney wrote: > 31 - the maximum number of days in month. > > The Mayans used a 36 day month. And, as I am sure you are well aware, the number of Mayans programming with Livecode is swelling daily. Richmond. From pmbrig at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 08:58:42 2014 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:58:42 -0400 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <6018DA1D-FE37-4758-94BD-2CBD9605D3B5@gmail.com> On Jul 3, 2014, at 6:46 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > What would seem a reasonable upper limit to English-like spelled numbers? --Ten. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 09:11:37 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 16:11:37 +0300 Subject: searchKey, backKey, menuKey Message-ID: <53B6A809.8030100@gmail.com> I was mucking around in the Dictionary and found the terms: searchKey, backKey and menuKey and wondered where they might possibly be on my keyboard ??? Richmond. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 10:40:01 2014 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 07:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software In-Reply-To: <16082980105.20140703072114@ahsoftware.net> References: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> <16082980105.20140703072114@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <1404484801824-4680862.post@n4.nabble.com> mwieder wrote > Maybe this? > http://blog.chipp.com/category/diagram-creator/ Hi All, Did anyone noticed spam under this entry: Diagram your websites! by on JUNE 19, 2010 in DIAGRAM CREATOR, LIVECODE in Chipp's webpage? Please, ask Chipp to remove or update the plugin that allows to write spam in his WordPress site. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Collaborative-Diagramming-Software-tp4680811p4680862.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From dochawk at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 11:24:49 2014 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:24:49 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B661BC.4050909@gmail.com> References: <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B5DD5A.5040906@fourthworld.com> <53B5E058.8050207@economy-x-talk.com> <6BB6A5F5-1D10-4E2E-958E-2245F90C43F4@jhj.com> <121121291440.20140703175946@ahsoftware.net> <53B661BC.4050909@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:11 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 04/07/14 03:59, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Jerry- >> >> Thursday, July 3, 2014, 4:50:45 PM, you wrote: >> >> So my answer is, of course, three. 8-) >>> >> Three is also the largest number crows can distinguish, so that makes >> sense. >> >> > Maybe next year I'll run a "Livecode for Crows" Summer School: > > should pull them in by the hundred. Or at least by the three . . . -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Jul 4 11:40:36 2014 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 08:40:36 -0700 Subject: searchKey, backKey, menuKey In-Reply-To: <53B6A809.8030100@gmail.com> References: <53B6A809.8030100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B6CAF4.5040609@fourthworld.com> Richmond wrote: > I was mucking around in the Dictionary and found the terms: > > searchKey, backKey and menuKey > > and wondered where they might possibly be on my keyboard ??? You won't - the Dictionary notes: Platforms: Mobile Supported Operating Systems: Android Summary: Sent to the current card of the defaultStack when the hardware menu button is pressed. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys From klaus at major-k.de Fri Jul 4 11:43:24 2014 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 17:43:24 +0200 Subject: searchKey, backKey, menuKey In-Reply-To: <53B6CAF4.5040609@fourthworld.com> References: <53B6A809.8030100@gmail.com> <53B6CAF4.5040609@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Am 04.07.2014 um 17:40 schrieb Richard Gaskin : > Richmond wrote: > > I was mucking around in the Dictionary and found the terms: > > > > searchKey, backKey and menuKey > > > > and wondered where they might possibly be on my keyboard ??? > > You won't - the Dictionary notes: > > Platforms: Mobile > > Supported Operating Systems: Android > > Summary: > Sent to the current card of the defaultStack when the hardware > menu button is pressed. Dictionary? We don't need no stinkin' dictionary! :-D > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jul 4 12:09:39 2014 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 09:09:39 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Friday, July 4, 2014, 1:04:33 AM, you wrote: > My feature request would be to REMOVE the ordinals! Then one could ONLY do: > delete char 3 and so on > and things would be consistent. +1 on that. In all my time using xtalk, I don't think I have ever used ordinal numbers other than "first" and "last". And those sparingly. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. From prothero at earthednet.org Fri Jul 4 12:16:45 2014 From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 09:16:45 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <93B2EA6C-A44D-405E-AADE-7FAEFFD01BC4@earthednet.org> +1 Bill William Prothero http://es.earthednet.org > On Jul 4, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > > Richmond- > > Friday, July 4, 2014, 1:04:33 AM, you wrote: > >> My feature request would be to REMOVE the ordinals! Then one could ONLY do: > >> delete char 3 and so on > >> and things would be consistent. > > +1 on that. In all my time using xtalk, I don't think I have ever used > ordinal numbers other than "first" and "last". And those sparingly. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > ahsoftware at gmail.com > > This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National > Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not > consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any > related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, > disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received > this communication in error, please delete it immediately. > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From alex at tweedly.net Fri Jul 4 12:24:50 2014 From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 17:24:50 +0100 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> On 04/07/2014 17:09, Mark Wieder wrote: > +1 on that. In all my time using xtalk, I don't think I have ever used > ordinal numbers other than "first" and "last". And those sparingly. And why do we not get to use "penultimate" ? But I agree, I'm another who's never used (and never will use) second, third, etc. - first and last seem OK, but somehow beyond that it seem wrong somehow. -- Alex. From drdada at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 13:28:26 2014 From: drdada at gmail.com (Jonathan Cooper) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 10:28:26 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> Message-ID: Richmond, I don't understand the problem. Can't you simply ignore the ordinal versions ("first " ... "tenth ")? Just teach your students the cardinal versions (" "). I remember, when learning HyperCard ages ago, regarding this alternative syntax as a kind of free bonus. But most of the time I just wrote, e.g., "get item 3 of the_line" instead of "get third item of the_line", 'cause it was quicker. (In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it's only in LiveCode for backward compatibility with HyperCard.) Jonathan Cooper http://doctordada.com On 04/07/2014, at 1:04 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 04/07/14 00:43, Mark Schonewille wrote: >> Hi Richmond, >> >> Ten is defined as a constant and tenth as a keyword according to the dictionary. Eleven and eleventh aren't defined. Although a warning might be appropriate, it is easy to find out why it doesn't work, if one reads the dictionary: eleven and eleventh don't exist. Unfortunately, something lacking from the dictionary doesn't always mean that it doesn't exist :-( >> >> I agree it is silly that LiveCode only contains the constants one to ten. I'm not sure that it is possible to have an infinite number of constants defined as ordinal numbers, but it should be possible to do this for very large numbers. Perhaps a feature request? >> > > My feature request would be to REMOVE the ordinals! Then one could ONLY do: > > delete char 3 and so on > > and things would be consistent. > > Certainly my "grumble" (and it is only a grumble, it is NOT a roaring complaint) is about > inconsistencies, which makes teaching Livecode a bit more difficult than perhaps may be > necessary. > > Richmond. > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 13:34:25 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 20:34:25 +0300 Subject: Intersect and Within Message-ID: <53B6E5A1.5020601@gmail.com> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20960 Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 13:35:47 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 20:35:47 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B6E5F3.5040901@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 20:28, Jonathan Cooper wrote: > Richmond, I don't understand the problem. Can't you simply ignore the ordinal versions ("first " ... "tenth ")? Just teach your students the cardinal versions (" "). Well; that is alright as far as it goes; until some bright spark finds "first" in the Dictionary and decides to indulge in some inductive reasoning. Richmond. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Jul 4 13:46:47 2014 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 12:46:47 -0500 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> On 04/07/2014 17:09, Mark Wieder wrote: > +1 on that. In all my time using xtalk, I don't think I have ever > used ordinal numbers other than "first" and "last". And those > sparingly. And backward compatibility? I do see a few stacks that use ordinals. In case anyone is wondering, the reason they're there is because HC incorporated them, and it was the Apple team that decided to limit the number to ten. And yes, I still get requests for HC conversions (I'm working on one right now.) I have also seen LC stacks that use ordinals -- look in the forums some time. Should we really limit the language based on "most popular usage?" If so then I'd like to remove all the long forms of various terms and use only the synonyms that I use the most. "BackgroundColor" is too long and I think we should ditch it and retain only "backColor", or even better, "bgColor". Also, no one uses "firstColor" and "secondColor" so let's drop those entirely. Honestly, you guys, this is one of the silliest discussions I've seen. There is no reason to yank terms out of the language just because some people don't use them. And the reason it came up? Richmond had an awkward moment with a student. Whose problem is that? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 13:53:00 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 20:53:00 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <53B6E9FC.8030604@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 20:46, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 04/07/2014 17:09, Mark Wieder wrote: >> +1 on that. In all my time using xtalk, I don't think I have ever >> used ordinal numbers other than "first" and "last". And those >> sparingly. > > And backward compatibility? I do see a few stacks that use ordinals. > > In case anyone is wondering, the reason they're there is because HC > incorporated them, and it was the Apple team that decided to limit the > number to ten. And yes, I still get requests for HC conversions (I'm > working on one right now.) I have also seen LC stacks that use > ordinals -- look in the forums some time. > > Should we really limit the language based on "most popular usage?" If > so then I'd like to remove all the long forms of various terms and use > only the synonyms that I use the most. "BackgroundColor" is too long > and I think we should ditch it and retain only "backColor", or even > better, "bgColor". Also, no one uses "firstColor" and "secondColor" so > let's drop those entirely. > > Honestly, you guys, this is one of the silliest discussions I've seen. > There is no reason to yank terms out of the language just because some > people don't use them. And the reason it came up? This was not 'that' awkward. But it did point to inconsistencies in Livecode. > Richmond had an awkward moment with a student. Whose problem is that? > Your point, Jacque, is well put. Backwards compatibility is a good thing: and I am well miffed about the lack of backward compatibility between pre 7 and post 7 Livecode vis-a-vis numToChar! So; perhaps the way to keep everybody happy (well, Thee and Me, at least) is to have some sort of rider in the Dictionary where the ordinal numbers are, that that is for backward compatibility and "delete char 3" is to be preferred. Richmond. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Jul 4 14:06:28 2014 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 13:06:28 -0500 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B6E9FC.8030604@gmail.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> <53B6E9FC.8030604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B6ED24.7090704@hyperactivesw.com> On 7/4/2014, 12:53 PM, Richmond wrote: > So; perhaps the way to keep everybody happy (well, Thee and Me, at > least) is to have some sort of > rider in the Dictionary where the ordinal numbers are, that that is for > backward compatibility and > "delete char 3" is to be preferred. But it isn't for backward compatibility; that came up only because some people wanted to removed the terms. Nor is there a "preferred" syntax. The ordinals exist as an option for those who find them to be more natural. It's another choice, just as all the other synonyms in the language are choices. We like choice. I remember seeing documentation somewhere about the one through ten constants, and when you first mentioned the omission I did a quick look but couldn't find it. I agree it should probably be in the dictionary, and a quick report in the QCC could fix that. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jul 4 14:09:39 2014 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:09:39 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B6E9FC.8030604@gmail.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> <53B6E9FC.8030604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67183083115.20140704110939@ahsoftware.net> Richmond- Friday, July 4, 2014, 10:53:00 AM, you wrote: > Backwards compatibility is a good thing: As a generic statement, I think that's arguable (as in "yeah, I know it's broken and stupid but now we can't fix it because someone somewhere might be relying on the current behavior"). > So; perhaps the way to keep everybody happy (well, Thee and Me, at > least) is to have some sort of > rider in the Dictionary where the ordinal numbers are, that that is for > backward compatibility and > "delete char 3" is to be preferred. Yes, I'd like to see the term "deprecated" used more liberally in the dictionary. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jul 4 14:13:06 2014 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:13:06 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <147183290653.20140704111306@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Friday, July 4, 2014, 10:46:47 AM, you wrote: > Should we really limit the language based on "most popular usage?" If so > then I'd like to remove all the long forms of various terms and use only > the synonyms that I use the most. "BackgroundColor" is too long and I > think we should ditch it and retain only "backColor", or even better, > "bgColor". Also, no one uses "firstColor" and "secondColor" so let's > drop those entirely. Ooooo... I like this. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 14:49:44 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 21:49:44 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <147183290653.20140704111306@ahsoftware.net> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> <147183290653.20140704111306@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <53B6F748.3030301@gmail.com> On 04/07/14 21:13, Mark Wieder wrote: > Jacque- > > Friday, July 4, 2014, 10:46:47 AM, you wrote: > >> Should we really limit the language based on "most popular usage?" If so >> then I'd like to remove all the long forms of various terms and use only >> the synonyms that I use the most. "BackgroundColor" is too long and I >> think we should ditch it and retain only "backColor", or even better, >> "bgColor". Also, no one uses "firstColor" and "secondColor" so let's >> drop those entirely. > Ooooo... I like this. > Looks like somebody got out the wrong side of bed today :) Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 14:58:28 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 21:58:28 +0300 Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software In-Reply-To: <53B5AE76.2030700@hindu.org> References: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> <53B5AE76.2030700@hindu.org> Message-ID: <53B6F954.9070206@gmail.com> On 03/07/14 22:26, Brahmanathswami wrote: > Surprising that draw.io gets so little press. Free for up to 500 users > with unlimited docs... made by http://www.jgraph.com/... which is a > pretty advanced company... > Personally I'm not very keen on something that requires an internet connexion; even if only for the simple reason that about half of my life I am in places where there is no internet (and that is a blessing beyond compare). I do like Dia: http://dia-installer.de/download/index.html It is Open Source, cross-platform, and does the trick. Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 15:02:00 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 22:02:00 +0300 Subject: OT: Collaborative Diagramming Software In-Reply-To: <53B5AE76.2030700@hindu.org> References: <53B47D2E.4030705@hindu.org> <53B5AE76.2030700@hindu.org> Message-ID: <53B6FA28.8030703@gmail.com> Pencil Project is pretty groovy as well: http://pencil.evolus.vn/Default.html Richmond. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Jul 4 15:14:14 2014 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 14:14:14 -0500 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B6F748.3030301@gmail.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> <147183290653.20140704111306@ahsoftware.net> <53B6F748.3030301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B6FD06.80805@hyperactivesw.com> On 7/4/2014, 1:49 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 04/07/14 21:13, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Jacque- >> >> Friday, July 4, 2014, 10:46:47 AM, you wrote: >> >>> Should we really limit the language based on "most popular usage?" If so >>> then I'd like to remove all the long forms of various terms and use only >>> the synonyms that I use the most. "BackgroundColor" is too long and I >>> think we should ditch it and retain only "backColor", or even better, >>> "bgColor". Also, no one uses "firstColor" and "secondColor" so let's >>> drop those entirely. >> Ooooo... I like this. >> > > Looks like somebody got out the wrong side of bed today :) He's just being...progressive. Luddites unite! -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Jul 4 16:56:39 2014 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 13:56:39 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B6FD06.80805@hyperactivesw.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> <147183290653.20140704111306@ahsoftware.net> <53B6F748.3030301@gmail.com> <53B6FD06.80805@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <131193103502.20140704135639@ahsoftware.net> Jacque- Friday, July 4, 2014, 12:14:14 PM, you wrote: > He's just being...progressive. Luddites unite! Hey! It was *your* idea in the first place. -- -Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received this communication in error, please delete it immediately. From pmbrig at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 17:31:27 2014 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 17:31:27 -0400 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B6FD06.80805@hyperactivesw.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> <147183290653.20140704111306@ahsoftware.net> <53B6F748.3030301@gmail.com> <53B6FD06.80805@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7CAD2723-572A-4032-93D7-693FFBC445AE@gmail.com> On Jul 4, 2014, at 3:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Luddites unite! "The future ain't what it used to be." -- Yogi Berra -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig From prothero at earthednet.org Fri Jul 4 19:41:57 2014 From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:41:57 -0700 Subject: Inhibit mouse Events possible? In-Reply-To: <0D05D99C-FC67-4AA9-BD0D-2E44ABD5576E@jhj.com> References: <53B596B4.9040000@economy-x-talk.com> <0D05D99C-FC67-4AA9-BD0D-2E44ABD5576E@jhj.com> Message-ID: <9CABB840-5360-40C7-A5D4-C44CF0A8ADC3@earthednet.org> Mark: What about a transparent graphic with: on mouseDown checkoption end mouseDown on mouseUp checkoption end mouseUp ?Other mouse events could be added on checkoption if the option key is down then hide me end if end check option Best, Bill On Jul 3, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Jerry Jensen wrote: > > On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: >> >> repeat forever with messages > > ??? repeat with messages ??? > I think we've been through this before. The compiler doesn't mind, but the "with messages" part is not legal syntax and does nothing. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 04:42:12 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 11:42:12 +0300 Subject: Silly Game Message-ID: <53B7BA64.2020607@gmail.com> Here: http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/ITCHY/space_shot.livecode.zip I enjoyed making it anyway! Richmond. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Jul 5 05:52:49 2014 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 11:52:49 +0200 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B7CAF1.4050507@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Richmond, I agree, removing the ordinals would be a solution, but that would also cause backwards incompatibility and actually I like these remnants from the HyperCard times. Why not just keep them? They just need to be documented properly (although this never was a problem for several decades). When I wrote my previous e-mail, I was thinking of writing that you could just ignore the ordinals and not teach them, but any smart kid reading about them in the documentary would still notice the problem and in a way it would be immoral to hide such information :-) -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode: http://qery.us/468 Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi LiveCode on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/ On 7/4/2014 10:04, Richmond wrote: > > My feature request would be to REMOVE the ordinals! Then one could ONLY do: > > delete char 3 and so on > > and things would be consistent. > > Certainly my "grumble" (and it is only a grumble, it is NOT a roaring > complaint) is about > inconsistencies, which makes teaching Livecode a bit more difficult than > perhaps may be > necessary. > > Richmond. > From dave at applicationinsight.com Sat Jul 5 06:07:12 2014 From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 03:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B7CAF1.4050507@economy-x-talk.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <53B7CAF1.4050507@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <1404554832367-4680886.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi all Richmond why don't you show this thread to your pupil? Let her see how she helped a lot of coders learn something new and sparked a good discussion. A lot of good learning can follow a teacher saying "I don't know" to a pupil :) Kind regards Dave ----- "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Ordinal-numbers-tp4680832p4680886.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 06:26:34 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 13:26:34 +0300 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <1404554832367-4680886.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <53B7CAF1.4050507@economy-x-talk.com> <1404554832367-4680886.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <53B7D2DA.2090002@gmail.com> On 05/07/14 13:07, Dave Kilroy wrote: > Hi all > > Richmond why don't you show this thread to your pupil? Let her see how she > helped a lot of coders learn something new and sparked a good discussion. A > lot of good learning can follow a teacher saying "I don't know" to a pupil > :) > > Kind regards > > Dave > > Not a bad idea at all. Richmond. From feliphil at gmx.net Sat Jul 5 07:44:53 2014 From: feliphil at gmx.net (Wolfgang Keller) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 13:44:53 +0200 Subject: OT : Advice on SQL database design In-Reply-To: <53B5EFF8.6060403@tweedly.net> References: <53B1FF90.1070609@tweedly.net> <53B5EFF8.6060403@tweedly.net> Message-ID: <20140705134453.1c97aeef7402a6e811425c56@gmx.net> > I'm particularly interested in the idea of NoSQL databases - they > seem too good to be true :-) You can even get both in one: http://wiki.postgresql.org/images/b/b4/Pg-as-nosql-pgday-fosdem-2013.pdf Sincerely, Wolfgang From dochawk at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 12:35:45 2014 From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 09:35:45 -0700 Subject: Ordinal numbers In-Reply-To: <53B6FD06.80805@hyperactivesw.com> References: <53B5B2B9.6080801@gmail.com> <53B5CE9A.4070807@economy-x-talk.com> <53B66011.7070901@gmail.com> <194175883506.20140704090939@ahsoftware.net> <53B6D552.1040400@tweedly.net> <53B6E887.4080303@hyperactivesw.com> <147183290653.20140704111306@ahsoftware.net> <53B6F748.3030301@gmail.com> <53B6FD06.80805@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > He's just being...progressive. Luddites unite! > You have nothing to lose but your shoes! -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 From pete at lcsql.com Sat Jul 5 13:12:16 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 10:12:16 -0700 Subject: convert Message-ID: Does the convert command take account of the user's syatem settings when parsing its input? In other words, if I'm in the UK and pass the string "06/07/14" to the following convert command convert "06/07/14" from system date to dateitems ... will I end up with month=07 and day=06 rather than the other way round? Does it also handle the separator character between date elements according to the user's system settings? For example, if it use "-" as the date separator, would it recognize "07-06-14" as a valid date? Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 14:37:20 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 21:37:20 +0300 Subject: convert In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53B845E0.2040609@gmail.com> On 05/07/14 20:12, Peter Haworth wrote: > Does the convert command take account of the user's syatem settings when > parsing its input? > > In other words, if I'm in the UK and pass the string "06/07/14" to the > following convert command > > convert "06/07/14" from system date to dateitems > > ... will I end up with month=07 and day=06 rather than the other way round? Just go and read under CONVERT in the Dictionary: "The ability to use the date and time format preferred by the user was introduced in version 1.1. In previous versions, the convert command, along with the time and date functions, consistently used the standard U.S. format, even if the operating system's settings specified another language or date and time format." Richmond. From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 14:47:29 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 21:47:29 +0300 Subject: Sound on Linux Message-ID: <53B84841.3080700@gmail.com> Sound on Linux (and Macintosh and Windows) that works consistently and is not dependent on an external something being installed on an end-user's machine . . . . . . How long baby, How long? Richmond. From pete at lcsql.com Sat Jul 5 15:45:12 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 12:45:12 -0700 Subject: convert In-Reply-To: <53B845E0.2040609@gmail.com> References: <53B845E0.2040609@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, I read that but it's not clear if that refers to the output format or the input format. I guess I can fiddle around with the system settings on my Mac to figure it out. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 05/07/14 20:12, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Does the convert command take account of the user's syatem settings when >> parsing its input? >> >> In other words, if I'm in the UK and pass the string "06/07/14" to the >> following convert command >> >> convert "06/07/14" from system date to dateitems >> >> ... will I end up with month=07 and day=06 rather than the other way >> round? >> > > Just go and read under CONVERT in the Dictionary: > > "The ability to use the date and time format preferred by the user was > introduced in version 1.1. In previous versions, the convert command, along > with the time and date functions, consistently used the standard U.S. > format, even if the operating system's settings specified another language > or date and time format." > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 16:20:50 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2014 23:20:50 +0300 Subject: convert In-Reply-To: References: <53B845E0.2040609@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53B85E22.1060108@gmail.com> On 05/07/14 22:45, Peter Haworth wrote: > Yes, I read that but it's not clear if that refers to the output format or > the input format. I guess I can fiddle around with the system settings on > my Mac to figure it out. > > After I posted that message I tried it out, and couldn't work out how it worked at all. Now my Ubuntu Studio system has a US keyboard layout, and yet when I put dates through convert they always come out day/month/year whether useSystemDate is set to true or false. Richmond. From pete at lcsql.com Sat Jul 5 17:08:39 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:08:39 -0700 Subject: convert In-Reply-To: <53B85E22.1060108@gmail.com> References: <53B845E0.2040609@gmail.com> <53B85E22.1060108@gmail.com> Message-ID: Been experimenting here too and seems to work per the system settings, at least on OSX. One thing to watch out for is that it you need to rerun LC after changing the system settings - it must read them in at startup. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Richmond wrote: > On 05/07/14 22:45, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Yes, I read that but it's not clear if that refers to the output format or >> the input format. I guess I can fiddle around with the system settings on >> my Mac to figure it out. >> >> >> > After I posted that message I tried it out, and couldn't work out how it > worked at all. > > Now my Ubuntu Studio system has a US keyboard layout, and yet when I put > dates through convert they always come out day/month/year whether > useSystemDate is set to true or false. > > > Richmond. > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 17:43:14 2014 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sound on Linux In-Reply-To: <53B84841.3080700@gmail.com> References: <53B84841.3080700@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1404596594024-4680896.post@n4.nabble.com> Hi Richmond, In this report http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11680 Panos Merakos reported that he fixed this bug: Panos Merakos 2014-05-30 17:30:37 BST I can reproduce this bug in OSX 10.9 as well, so it is not a Linux specific issue. I think it is a duplicate of bug-12529, which is now awaiting_build. I tested it with the frontier of my bugfix-12529 branch and works fine. Panos Merakos 2014-06-12 16:47:10 BST This branch is now merged into 6.7 dp5. You can try 6.7 dp5 to check if these bugs are fixed for Linux. Notice, Richmond, we could not download yet LC 6.7 dp5 but you could ask for it to... Ben? Mark? Fraser? I would like to test this Linux version in Lubuntu... :) Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Sound-on-Linux-tp4680892p4680896.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 17:55:27 2014 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IEEE Top Programming Languages Message-ID: <1404597327093-4680897.post@n4.nabble.com> Look here: http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/interactive-the-top-programming-languages Interesting enough, LiveCode appears under the name of Revolution in this ranking: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/IEEE-Top-Programming-Languages-tp4680897.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From capellan2000 at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 18:07:55 2014 From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 15:07:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Silly Game In-Reply-To: <53B7BA64.2020607@gmail.com> References: <53B7BA64.2020607@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1404598075775-4680898.post@n4.nabble.com> Really nice! :D Just for curiosity, this game is an exercise for your classes? Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Silly-Game-tp4680884p4680898.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From endernafi at keehuna.com Sat Jul 5 18:38:31 2014 From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 01:38:31 +0300 Subject: IEEE Top Programming Languages In-Reply-To: <1404597327093-4680897.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <1404597327093-4680897.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: Excellent news, thanks Al? I?ve noticed one thing, though. Xojo {ex-Realbasic} was in that Next 50 list a couple of months ago. So, while they ranked down, we got up. Maybe, it?s because they still couldn?t deliver Mobile Development like they promised months ago. I hope RunRev can finish all the Kickstarter goals {including stretch-goals} as soon as possible otherwise people can lose interest and same thing may happen to us, too. ~ Ender From:?Alejandro Tejada capellan2000 at gmail.com Reply:?Alejandro Tejada capellan2000 at gmail.com Date:?July 6, 2014 at 0:56:10 To:?use-revolution at lists.runrev.com use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject:? IEEE Top Programming Languages Look here: http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/interactive-the-top-programming-languages Interesting enough, LiveCode appears under the name of Revolution in this ranking: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/IEEE-Top-Programming-Languages-tp4680897.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode From pete at lcsql.com Sat Jul 5 20:02:09 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 17:02:09 -0700 Subject: OT : Advice on SQL database design In-Reply-To: <20140705134453.1c97aeef7402a6e811425c56@gmx.net> References: <53B1FF90.1070609@tweedly.net> <53B5EFF8.6060403@tweedly.net> <20140705134453.1c97aeef7402a6e811425c56@gmx.net> Message-ID: Very good write up. At least form this one particular test, it seems that SQL is faster than any of the other methods, especially MongoDB. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: > > I'm particularly interested in the idea of NoSQL databases - they > > seem too good to be true :-) > > You can even get both in one: > > http://wiki.postgresql.org/images/b/b4/Pg-as-nosql-pgday-fosdem-2013.pdf > > Sincerely, > > Wolfgang > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From pete at lcsql.com Sat Jul 5 20:35:30 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 17:35:30 -0700 Subject: convert In-Reply-To: References: <53B845E0.2040609@gmail.com> <53B85E22.1060108@gmail.com> Message-ID: Been trying more combinations of input/output formats and all seems to work OK. I did discover that if the input date is invalid in some way, the input is left unchanged. Not mentioned in the dictionary is that the result is set to "invalid date" if the date cannot be converted. I tried to add this as a user note to the dictionary but never got past "an attempting to log in..." message. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Been experimenting here too and seems to work per the system settings, at > least on OSX. One thing to watch out for is that it you need to rerun LC > after changing the system settings - it must read them in at startup. > > Pete > lcSQL Software > Home of lcStackBrowser and > SQLiteAdmin > > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Richmond > wrote: > >> On 05/07/14 22:45, Peter Haworth wrote: >> >>> Yes, I read that but it's not clear if that refers to the output format >>> or >>> the input format. I guess I can fiddle around with the system settings >>> on >>> my Mac to figure it out. >>> >>> >>> >> After I posted that message I tried it out, and couldn't work out how it >> worked at all. >> >> Now my Ubuntu Studio system has a US keyboard layout, and yet when I put >> dates through convert they always come out day/month/year whether >> useSystemDate is set to true or false. >> >> >> Richmond. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-livecode mailing list >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode >> > > From richmondmathewson at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 06:46:28 2014 From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 13:46:28 +0300 Subject: Silly Game In-Reply-To: <1404598075775-4680898.post@n4.nabble.com> References: <53B7BA64.2020607@gmail.com> <1404598075775-4680898.post@n4.nabble.com> Message-ID: <53B92904.3090808@gmail.com> On 06/07/14 01:07, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Really nice! :D > > Just for curiosity, this game > is an exercise for your classes? > > Al > > > I will be trying to get the children to work with INTERSECT, and I ran this up as a way of showing what could be done with it. Richmond. From klaus at major-k.de Sun Jul 6 10:46:35 2014 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 16:46:35 +0200 Subject: SQLite problem on iOS Simulator Message-ID: Hi friends, strange problem when using SQLite in the iOS Simulator. LC 6.6.2, XCode 5.1, Simulator iOS 7.1 Database file copied to specialfolderpath("documents") In general all database access runs fine, but there is one handler where CONSOLE outputs an script error, found out by using a TRY structure. Not to mention that this runs fine on the desktop!? This function: ########################################## function db_getPickContent tTable put numtochar(1) into tRowDel put numtochar(2) into tLineDel put db_id() into tDBID put "SELECT name,id FROM" && tTable into tSQL try put revDataFromQuery(tRowDel,tLineDel,tDBID,tSQL) into tRetValue catch ernum put ernum end try return db_pickcontent2array(tRetValue) end db_getPickContent ########################################### ALWAYS outputs this errorcode: 219,488,11,revDataFromQuery 219 = error in function handler and points to the "revDatafromquery" function on line 488 of my script!? So the "revDatafromquery" never gets executed! I am clueless, any hints very welcome! Or are there problems in general with SQLite in the simulator? Do not have a real device to test. Thanks a lot in advance! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From klaus at major-k.de Sun Jul 6 11:22:07 2014 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 17:22:07 +0200 Subject: SQLite problem on iOS Simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, of course I need to check "SQLIte" on the "iOS" tab in the standalone builder settings! 8-) Am 06.07.2014 um 16:46 schrieb Klaus major-k : > Hi friends, > > strange problem when using SQLite in the iOS Simulator. > LC 6.6.2, XCode 5.1, Simulator iOS 7.1 > > Database file copied to specialfolderpath("documents") > > In general all database access runs fine, but there is one handler where CONSOLE > outputs an script error, found out by using a TRY structure. > Not to mention that this runs fine on the desktop!? > > This function: > ########################################## > function db_getPickContent tTable > put numtochar(1) into tRowDel > put numtochar(2) into tLineDel > put db_id() into tDBID > > put "SELECT name,id FROM" && tTable into tSQL > try > put revDataFromQuery(tRowDel,tLineDel,tDBID,tSQL) into tRetValue > catch ernum > put ernum > end try > return db_pickcontent2array(tRetValue) > end db_getPickContent > ########################################### > > ALWAYS outputs this errorcode: 219,488,11,revDataFromQuery > 219 = error in function handler and points to the "revDatafromquery" function > on line 488 of my script!? So the "revDatafromquery" never gets executed! > > I am clueless, any hints very welcome! > Or are there problems in general with SQLite in the simulator? > Do not have a real device to test. > > Thanks a lot in advance! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From pete at lcsql.com Sun Jul 6 15:26:29 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 12:26:29 -0700 Subject: SQLite problem on iOS Simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you checked the contents of tDBID? I don;t see it as a a parameter to your function. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Klaus major-k wrote: > Hi friends, > > strange problem when using SQLite in the iOS Simulator. > LC 6.6.2, XCode 5.1, Simulator iOS 7.1 > > Database file copied to specialfolderpath("documents") > > In general all database access runs fine, but there is one handler where > CONSOLE > outputs an script error, found out by using a TRY structure. > Not to mention that this runs fine on the desktop!? > > This function: > ########################################## > function db_getPickContent tTable > put numtochar(1) into tRowDel > put numtochar(2) into tLineDel > put db_id() into tDBID > > put "SELECT name,id FROM" && tTable into tSQL > try > put revDataFromQuery(tRowDel,tLineDel,tDBID,tSQL) into tRetValue > catch ernum > put ernum > end try > return db_pickcontent2array(tRetValue) > end db_getPickContent > ########################################### > > ALWAYS outputs this errorcode: 219,488,11,revDataFromQuery > 219 = error in function handler and points to the "revDatafromquery" > function > on line 488 of my script!? So the "revDatafromquery" never gets executed! > > I am clueless, any hints very welcome! > Or are there problems in general with SQLite in the simulator? > Do not have a real device to test. > > Thanks a lot in advance! > > > Best > > Klaus > > > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From klaus at major-k.de Sun Jul 6 16:41:55 2014 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 22:41:55 +0200 Subject: SQLite problem on iOS Simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Peter, Am 06.07.2014 um 21:26 schrieb Peter Haworth : > Have you checked the contents of tDBID? I don;t see it as a a parameter to > your function. you obviously missed my second posting where I embarrassingly had to admit that i did not check "SQLite" on the "iOS" tab of the standalone builder settings 8-) > Pete > lcSQL Software > Home of lcStackBrowser and > SQLiteAdmin > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Klaus major-k wrote: > >> Hi friends, >> >> strange problem when using SQLite in the iOS Simulator. >> LC 6.6.2, XCode 5.1, Simulator iOS 7.1 >> ... Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de klaus at major-k.de From pete at lcsql.com Sun Jul 6 17:34:11 2014 From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 14:34:11 -0700 Subject: SQLite problem on iOS Simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, OK. Glad it was a simple fix. Pete lcSQL Software Home of lcStackBrowser and SQLiteAdmin On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Klaus major-k wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Am 06.07.2014 um 21:26 schrieb Peter Haworth : > > > Have you checked the contents of tDBID? I don;t see it as a a parameter > to > > your function. > > you obviously missed my second posting where I embarrassingly had to admit > that i did not check "SQLite" on the "iOS" tab of the standalone builder > settings 8-) > > > Pete > > lcSQL Software > > Home of lcStackBrowser and > > SQLiteAdmin > > > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Klaus major-k wrote: > > > >> Hi friends, > >> > >> strange problem when using SQLite in the iOS Simulator. > >> LC 6.6.2, XCode 5.1, Simulator iOS 7.1 > >> ... > > Best > > Klaus > -- > Klaus Major > http://www.major-k.de > klaus at major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Jul 7 12:37:10 2014 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 16:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: OT: inux journal Message-ID: Linux journal responds with a new t-shirt. Better yet, $25 for the shirt and a one-year subscription. http://lj.mybigcommerce.com/linux-journal-extremist-reader/ -- Mark Wieder ahsoftware at gmail.com From rabit at revigniter.com Mon Jul 7 13:41:53 2014 From: rabit at revigniter.com (Ralf Bitter) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 19:41:53 +0200 Subject: CEF browser of LiveCode 6.7 dp4 and video playback Message-ID: <5CB9AA1E-74F1-4108-B9AE-9FF3767ED822@revigniter.com> Just to make sure that it is not my fault: Can anybody confirm that videos embedded using HTML5 syntax do not play in the new CEF browser? Tested a really simple HTML5 page including just one video emebedded using the