[OT] Mavericks Auto Save and Red Traffic Light plus Back Dot

[Graham Samuel]

That's good info, but IMHO the whole business of removing "Save As..." and forcing the user to make a duplicate and rename it (or use Time Machine) in order to secure a particular revision of a document so as to allow rollback, is clunky. I think Apple wanted the saving to work the way it does in iOS (and for that matter, the way it did in HyperCard), but I can't imagine someone preparing a meaty document finding the current functionality easy to understand. The LiveCode IDE still has "Save As..." and long may it continue, say I.

I have often been caught when writing say a Pages document (this goes back to before Mavericks) to find a tentative revision on my part (just to see if a page design looks good for example) has been autosaved and has thus zapped my original. Maybe I am slowing at learning new tricks - certainly I am a pretty old dog.

Graham

Does anyone love the current Apple 
On 23 Jan 2014, at 11:02, Björnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> Go to System Preferences, and select the General tab. Slightly bellow the middle, there's a checkmark saying "ask to keep changes when closing documents". Unselect it. Make sure to restart applications now, and then the new behaviour should immediately show up. 
> 
> For example in text edit, documents should show a grey "– edited" after their name, but not the red dot thingy. You can still force a save, which will include a milestone-type of save (some are also created automatically, usually when a document is closed), you can browse trough the revisions in time machine, even if you have no backup hard disk connected.
> 
> On 23.01.2014, at 02:49, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> As this is the largest community of Mac users I know please forgive me for
>> asking this off topic question here.
>> 
>> I'm on 10.9.1 MBP 15" Retina, I have the latest versions of TextEdit 1.9
>> (310) and Pages 5.0.1 (1478)
>> 
>> I recently purchased OS X Mavericks - The Missing Manual as I find these
>> Missing Manuals have a wealth of little tidbits which help maximise your
>> use of what ever program.
>> 
>> It states in this book that Apple programs such as TextEdit, Pages all Auto
>> Save whenever you stop typing or pause your workflow. You can even Quit
>> these applications and all your work is saved and available when you reopen
>> the document - the inference is that you are not presented with any type of
>> dialog box when you Quit because the document is already saved. Also,
>> because of all of this, the convention of changing the Red traffic light
>> icon at the top left of the widow, to show a black dot in it - indicating
>> you have unsaved changes, no longer happens.
>> 
>> Well, that's not what I'm experiencing.
>> 
>> I open a TextEdit or Pages document and as soon as I make changes the Red
>> Traffic Light icon changes to include a black dot in the the middle. I can
>> leave it for 10-15 min and nothing changes, there is no Auto Save, and if I
>> Quit the program I'm asked if I want to Revert, Cancel or Save.
>> 
>> To me, absolutely nothing has changed in this regard.
>> 
>> Is anyone else seeing this or are you all as per the book?
>> 
>> I'm thinking of submitting an errata but thought I'd better check first
>> that somehow by the grace of God I happen to be the only one that has
>> Mavericks behaving exactly how I expect OS X to behave.
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