[OT] will amuse you Linux fans

Andrew Kluthe andrew at ctech.me
Sat Feb 8 11:09:54 EST 2014


Richmond,

My response was directed towards Bob.



On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>
>> "Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the
>> beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered
>> all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point
>> is
>> that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in
>> the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of
>> the
>> whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or otherwise)
>> of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'.
>>
>> Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as
>> it
>> is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western
>> democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in their
>> own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like
>> we
>> belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose wallpaper
>> patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough
>> to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our
>> co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some)
>> servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide
>> against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to
>> restore servility.
>>
>> I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent from
>> being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the
>> like.
>>
>> And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out:
>>
>> "Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by
>> I
>> might add) do not need to be compelled."
>>
>> This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster
>> might say when attempting to expand a protection racket.
>>
>> I'm not suggesting that you
>>
>
> To whom does "you" refer to?
>
> Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been
> put out of joint :)
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>  are a gangster or run a protection racket, of
>> course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance
>> lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in
>> agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives
>> into those functions.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>
>>>  Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they
>>>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  There is a small problem there.
>>>
>>> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North
>>> Korean who broke certain of that
>>> country's draconian laws,
>>>
>>> and, furthermore,
>>>
>>> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there.
>>>
>>> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has
>>> been,
>>> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it
>>> is
>>> a crime.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>
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Andrew Kluthe
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