From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Feb  1 02:15:28 2014
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 08:15:28 +0100
Subject: Sqlite under Windows
In-Reply-To: <1391204310302-4675377.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <79F1CD3A-EFF9-455B-8ECF-D6DF57E66D46@laposte.net>
	<1391204310302-4675377.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CF2C522D-A4D6-4642-A2D8-02706F878754@laposte.net>


Le 31 janv. 2014 ? 22:38, Mark Stuart <mfstuart at cox.net> a ?crit :

> Hi Ludovic,
> Are you using the SQLite BEGIN and COMMIT transaction before and after the
> reading of the file during importation?
> 
> My experience of importing without using transactions was the same as you,
> until I started using as I just mentioned.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark
> 

Thanks,


I?ll try that.


From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Sat Feb  1 06:41:14 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 11:41:14 -0000
Subject: [ANN] 40% discount FieldFormatter
Message-ID: <004501cf1f42$8332c980$89985c80$@FlexibleLearning.com>

www.FlexibleLearning.com/fieldformatter


For a limited time, grab FieldFormatter at a special price.


Community and Commercial compatible, it comes with
- An integrated IDE palette
- 28 new properties
- Full documentation with examples
- Playground stack to investigate and change


FieldFormatter is an appropriate solution if you want to...

. present raw data as user-friendly information 
. implement privatised text for security 
. ensure presentation consistency 
. specify number-only data entry 
. apply pre-set calculation results 
. show Custom date and time 
. support Language Localised month and day names 
. display decimal place precision 
. provide alternative decimal and thousands separators 
. convert to percentages 
. handle scientific notation 
. provide accountancy notation 
. show duration in hours, minutes and seconds 
. display default text for empty fields 
. show currencies or any units of measure 
. automatically handle value conversions 
. present negative format & color 
. interpret SQL Julian dates 
. support pre-1970 dates

Enjoy!

Hugh Senior
FLCo






From ray at linkit.com  Sat Feb  1 14:21:22 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 14:21:22 -0500
Subject: 6.5.2 Doesn't Remember Script Editor Location
In-Reply-To: <52EC2F9E.9080000@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <52E7F42A.8080602@gmail.com>	<CF0DA758.61C79%kevin@runrev.com>	<B985ADCB-9989-4098-B956-D6AFF4F42E56@economy-x-talk.com>	<52E81D03.5070801@gmail.com>	<CF0DD07A.61CA3%kevin@runrev.com>	<52E92E82.4070606@gmail.com>	<CADd0_TwOSANiFcgO9bwcnaV4iZ-kjFPr0+=qMYWNkVjYAUNShQ@mail.gmail.com>	<52E95389.4060402@economy-x-talk.com>	<52E95900.4030108@LinkIt.Com>	<52EA4B09.8070409@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EA4ECA.4090808@LinkIt.Com>	<1E8EF672-249C-442D-9EA1-3E45C35A7B84@mac.com>	<52EA6C81.4030304@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EA6F2B.3020008@LinkIt.Com>	<52EA894D.3020105@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EA8B10.3090300@LinkIt.Com>	<52EC15F3.5070003@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EC20EF.9000109@LinkIt.Com>	<52EC22A9.3000203@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EC2516.6080808@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EC2EBF.4010004@LinkIt.Com>
	<52EC2F9E.9080000@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <52ED4932.6020808@LinkIt.Com>

Mark,

I've experimented some today and had 'limited' success.  Here's the best 
I came up with:

on revCloseStack curStack
    try
       set the CurrentRect of stack "ScriptEditorRect" to the rect of 
stack "revNewScriptEditor 1"
    end try
end revCloseStack

on revEditScript
    send "setScriptEditorRect" to me in 10
end revEditScript

on setScriptEditorRect
    set the rect of stack "revNewScriptEditor 1" to the CurrentRect of 
stack "ScriptEditorRect"
end setScriptEditorRect

I had to put the revCloseStack handler in a try/catch since there are no 
parameters sent to the message and "this stack" doesn't reflect whether 
you're closing the script editor or not.  But it does record the 
location and size of where you last had it before closing.

The send command, which I forgot on Friday, didn't work unless I sent it 
in 10 milliseconds.  That's the lowest I could get it down to, and it 
only produced a small amount of 'window jumping' which is acceptable.

The real problem I ran into was the difference between relocating the 
script editor window and resizing it.  Relocating it worked but resizing 
it somehow made Livecode intercept my messages and return it to a 
default location.  And for some weird reason that default location is 
now on my second monitor.

The only way around this 'intercept' was to lock messages just before 
setting the rect of the script editor and then unlock them right 
afterward.  This opened the overall the script editor window to the rect 
I specified, but it left all the controls inside of it as if the window 
had opened in its previous rect which was unacceptable.

So it's still a mess but the upside is I got some good experience 
working with front scripts and plugins which you introduced me to. Thanks!

All of this seems like a lot of work to go through just to get 
Livecode's script editor, the one area where more work is done than 
anywhere else, to behave as it should out of the box.  It may seem like 
a minor thing but if you open and close this window 10 to 15 times a 
minute all day long it, the constant fighting with Livecode for where it 
opens can mean the difference between a productive, fluid and pleasant 
work day and a day which is instead difficult, frustrating stop-and-go 
of constant annoyances diverting your attention away from the job at hand.

I don't think there's any way around this so I'll just leave the bug 
report stand and hope somebody in Edinburgh gets to it.

Thanks,

Ray

On 1/31/2014 6:19 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> You're doing it wrong. Have a look at the send command in my script. 
> It is quite obvious.
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
> On 2/1/2014 00:16, Ray wrote:
>> So here's what I'm trying:
>>     Make a stack called "Test Front Script" with the following script in
>> its one and only card:
>>           on revEditScript
>>            answer the openStacks
>>           end revEditScript
>>     Put the "Test Front Script" stack in the Plugins folder
>>     Launch LC and make a New Mainstack
>>     Choose Development/Plugins/Plugin Settings
>>     Choose the Test Front Script, select RevEditScript in the list and
>> close Plugin Settings
>>     Click on Development again, drag to Plugins and choose Test Front
>> Script which opens it
>>
>> The revEditScript message is now trapped when I open the stack script,
>> but just as before, the only stacks listed as the openStacks are:
>>     Test
>>     revTools
>>     Untitled 1
>>     revMenuBar
>>
>> Evidently the "revNewScriptEditor 1" is still not yet in existence and
>> thus can not be located anywhere.  That is, if I leave the script editor
>> window open and open another script I get "revNewScriptEditor 1" listed
>> in the openStacks, but by now it's too late.  The window already opened
>> partially off the screen.
>>
>> Am I doing this right?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  1 15:25:23 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 22:25:23 +0200
Subject: Keeping your scriptEditor in one place
Message-ID: <52ED5833.4030803@gmail.com>

Well, here's a "go" at that one: 
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18978

Richmond.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb  1 18:35:03 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 17:35:03 -0600
Subject: 6.5.2 Doesn't Remember Script Editor Location
In-Reply-To: <52ED4932.6020808@LinkIt.Com>
References: <52E7F42A.8080602@gmail.com>	<CF0DA758.61C79%kevin@runrev.com>	<B985ADCB-9989-4098-B956-D6AFF4F42E56@economy-x-talk.com>	<52E81D03.5070801@gmail.com>	<CF0DD07A.61CA3%kevin@runrev.com>	<52E92E82.4070606@gmail.com>	<CADd0_TwOSANiFcgO9bwcnaV4iZ-kjFPr0+=qMYWNkVjYAUNShQ@mail.gmail.com>	<52E95389.4060402@economy-x-talk.com>	<52E95900.4030108@LinkIt.Com>	<52EA4B09.8070409@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EA4ECA.4090808@LinkIt.Com>	<1E8EF672-249C-442D-9EA1-3E45C35A7B84@mac.com>	<52EA6C81.4030304@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EA6F2B.3020008@LinkIt.Com>	<52EA894D.3020105@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EA8B10.3090300@LinkIt.Com>	<52EC15F3.5070003@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EC20EF.9000109@LinkIt.Com>	<52EC22A9.3000203@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EC2516.6080808@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EC2EBF.4010004@LinkIt.Com>	<52EC2F9E.9080000@economy-x-talk.com>
	<52ED4932.6020808@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <52ED84A7.1040600@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/1/14, 1:21 PM, Ray wrote:
> All of this seems like a lot of work to go through just to get
> Livecode's script editor, the one area where more work is done than
> anywhere else, to behave as it should out of the box.  It may seem like
> a minor thing but if you open and close this window 10 to 15 times a
> minute all day long it, the constant fighting with Livecode for where it
> opens can mean the difference between a productive, fluid and pleasant
> work day and a day which is instead difficult, frustrating stop-and-go
> of constant annoyances diverting your attention away from the job at hand.

Probably the best workaround for now, until RR fixes it, is to not close 
the editor at all. I leave it open all the time, with all the main 
script tabs ready to go. Even the small effort of re-opening a script is 
too intrusive for someone as lazy as I am.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 03:50:38 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 10:50:38 +0200
Subject: Keeping your scriptEditor in one place
In-Reply-To: <52ED5833.4030803@gmail.com>
References: <52ED5833.4030803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52EE06DE.4030001@gmail.com>

On 01/02/14 22:25, Richmond wrote:
> Well, here's a "go" at that one: 
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18978
>
> Richmond.

I've just uploaded a modded version to the same place as the 'EDIT 
OBJECT SCRIPT' was throwing a bluey.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 05:10:23 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 12:10:23 +0200
Subject: One step beyond
Message-ID: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>

I lost control completely:

http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18905&p=95717#p95717

or as a direct download:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/PLOD/fruity.livecode.zip

Have a load of gratuitous, silly fun!

Richmond.



From ray at linkit.com  Sun Feb  2 06:52:22 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 06:52:22 -0500
Subject: 6.5.2 Doesn't Remember Script Editor Location
In-Reply-To: <52ED84A7.1040600@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <52E7F42A.8080602@gmail.com>	<CF0DA758.61C79%kevin@runrev.com>	<B985ADCB-9989-4098-B956-D6AFF4F42E56@economy-x-talk.com>	<52E81D03.5070801@gmail.com>	<CF0DD07A.61CA3%kevin@runrev.com>	<52E92E82.4070606@gmail.com>	<CADd0_TwOSANiFcgO9bwcnaV4iZ-kjFPr0+=qMYWNkVjYAUNShQ@mail.gmail.com>	<52E95389.4060402@economy-x-talk.com>	<52E95900.4030108@LinkIt.Com>	<52EA4B09.8070409@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EA4ECA.4090808@LinkIt.Com>	<1E8EF672-249C-442D-9EA1-3E45C35A7B84@mac.com>	<52EA6C81.4030304@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EA6F2B.3020008@LinkIt.Com>	<52EA894D.3020105@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EA8B10.3090300@LinkIt.Com>	<52EC15F3.5070003@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EC20EF.9000109@LinkIt.Com>	<52EC22A9.3000203@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EC2516.6080808@economy-x-talk.com>	<52EC2EBF.4010004@LinkIt.Com>	<52EC2F9E.9080000@economy-x-talk.com>	<52ED4932.6020808@LinkIt.Com>
	<52ED84A7.1040600@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <52EE3176.5040809@LinkIt.Com>

That's a good suggestion Jackie and it's the same way Kay, who also 
responded to this thread, works.  I've actually got a few other work 
arounds which are kind of clunky.  Basically a send or an idle handler 
picks up the window and moves it for me but I may well try to get use to 
the idea of simply leaving it open.

Thanks,

Ray

On 2/1/2014 6:35 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/1/14, 1:21 PM, Ray wrote:
>> All of this seems like a lot of work to go through just to get
>> Livecode's script editor, the one area where more work is done than
>> anywhere else, to behave as it should out of the box.  It may seem like
>> a minor thing but if you open and close this window 10 to 15 times a
>> minute all day long it, the constant fighting with Livecode for where it
>> opens can mean the difference between a productive, fluid and pleasant
>> work day and a day which is instead difficult, frustrating stop-and-go
>> of constant annoyances diverting your attention away from the job at 
>> hand.
>
> Probably the best workaround for now, until RR fixes it, is to not 
> close the editor at all. I leave it open all the time, with all the 
> main script tabs ready to go. Even the small effort of re-opening a 
> script is too intrusive for someone as lazy as I am.
>




From dunbarx at aol.com  Sun Feb  2 11:02:36 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 11:02:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: One step beyond
In-Reply-To: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>
References: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D0EE4752D919DF-2A9C-12F6A@webmail-m293.sysops.aol.com>

Richmond.


I won $3,000,000. Who do I collect from?


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 2, 2014 5:11 am
Subject: One step beyond


I lost control completely:

http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18905&p=95717#p95717

or as a direct download:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/PLOD/fruity.livecode.zip

Have a load of gratuitous, silly fun!

Richmond.

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Feb  2 11:09:58 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 11:09:58 -0500
Subject: One step beyond
In-Reply-To: <8D0EE4752D919DF-2A9C-12F6A@webmail-m293.sysops.aol.com>
References: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>
	<8D0EE4752D919DF-2A9C-12F6A@webmail-m293.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AB5BFA37-D8EC-4895-88BB-81ABC3BE4881@verizon.net>

I see the game has its own theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkOOCx8tT08





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 11:25:55 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 18:25:55 +0200
Subject: One step beyond
In-Reply-To: <8D0EE4752D919DF-2A9C-12F6A@webmail-m293.sysops.aol.com>
References: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>
	<8D0EE4752D919DF-2A9C-12F6A@webmail-m293.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <52EE7193.5050504@gmail.com>

On 02/02/14 18:02, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Richmond.
>
>
> I won $3,000,000. Who do I collect from?

Aha; but they are virtual pieces of 8 that vanish as soon as you turn 
off your computer!

Richmond.

>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 2, 2014 5:11 am
> Subject: One step beyond
>
>
> I lost control completely:
>
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18905&p=95717#p95717
>
> or as a direct download:
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/PLOD/fruity.livecode.zip
>
> Have a load of gratuitous, silly fun!
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>   
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 11:27:02 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 18:27:02 +0200
Subject: One step beyond
In-Reply-To: <AB5BFA37-D8EC-4895-88BB-81ABC3BE4881@verizon.net>
References: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>	<8D0EE4752D919DF-2A9C-12F6A@webmail-m293.sysops.aol.com>
	<AB5BFA37-D8EC-4895-88BB-81ABC3BE4881@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <52EE71D6.8090801@gmail.com>

On 02/02/14 18:09, Colin Holgate wrote:
> I see the game has its own theme song:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkOOCx8tT08
>

Well, some of us, approaching our 52nd birthday, would prefer to 
remember 1980
than the present :)

Richmond.

>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Feb  2 11:59:11 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:59:11 -0800
Subject: A complete and general index of handlers, commands and functions
In-Reply-To: <1391216934561-4675390.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1391216934561-4675390.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <52EE795F.1000600@fourthworld.com>

Alejandro Tejada wrote:

 > I have been looking (without success) in mail list's archives,
 > forums and within my own stack's archives a LiveCode's
 > implementation of Fast Fourier Transform.
 >
 > A FFT function was not found among math library's functions of
 > joneslib stack:
 > http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/personal/djones/metacard/joneslib.mc

The original JonesLib contains some tokens which conflict with more 
recent versions of LiveCode.

I've been in touch with the author of JonesLib, Dr. David L. Jones of 
University of South Florida, and he's granted permission to update 
JonesLib to work with current versions of LiveCode.  In fact, he seemed 
sincerely pleased that the library is recognized as valuable, and was 
very encouraging in our correspondence.

Sturgis generously made a first pass at an update to JonesLib, and while 
he took care of all of the conflicts at the time, unfortunately there's 
still one more token in conflict with the most recent version of LC, 
"variance".

His build, and a discussion of the library in general, is in the forums:
<http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=10976>

In addition to either renaming or deleting the Variance function, there 
may be opportunities to optimize JonesLib.  My post in that thread from 
this morning includes links to some interesting tips on performance from 
Wil Dijkstra which may be helpful - he's done some unusually thorough 
analysis of optimization techniques.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 13:26:32 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 20:26:32 +0200
Subject: [OT] Computing at School Newsletter
Message-ID: <52EE8DD8.4040409@gmail.com>

http://www.computingatschool.org.uk/data/uploads/newsletter-spring-2014.pdf

Livcode is not mentioned . . .

If you are involved in teaching with Livecode, even tangentially, please 
go here:

http://www.computingatschool.org.uk/

take their survey, and after the usual, fairly crappy clicky-click 
questions do the
'further questions' section where you can actually write proper sentences
and plug Livecode.

Richmond.



From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 14:12:34 2014
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 11:12:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: One step beyond
In-Reply-To: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>
References: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1391368354475-4675408.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Richmond,

Really nice! :-D
Could you add a prize, besides the blinking "Jackpot" image?

For example, use a visual effect to display a random message:
http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-001643.htm

Al



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/One-step-beyond-tp4675400p4675408.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 14:21:52 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 21:21:52 +0200
Subject: One step beyond
In-Reply-To: <1391368354475-4675408.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>
	<1391368354475-4675408.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <52EE9AD0.1030208@gmail.com>

On 02/02/14 21:12, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Really nice! :-D
> Could you add a prize, besides the blinking "Jackpot" image?
>
> For example, use a visual effect to display a random message:
> http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-001643.htm
>
> Al
>
>

Alejandro,

Feel Free to muck around with the stack as much as you want.

Richmond.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  2 14:30:34 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 19:30:34 +0000
Subject: mySQL disconnects
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfH+tVtwOWrnuwA6_7yCTwDWqXX5uhg5xONKLM1nzLr0fdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E39E9C64-9C24-45D8-A65D-E31BE833DD13@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAFmQfH+tVtwOWrnuwA6_7yCTwDWqXX5uhg5xONKLM1nzLr0fdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54B8665C-419C-477E-B181-A04D308E8E0B@iotecdigital.com>

Hi Stephen. Thanks for the reply. 

I do in fact close the connection each time. But for some reason, when I attempt to reconnect, if it has been too long a time since the last connection, I get that error. Also, I am developing on a laptop, and when I take the laptop to another location, from work to home for example it seems to happen there too.

There may be something else going on here, I am not sure. This doesn?t happen with sqLite databases (of course) only with mySQL databases, and the error does not say that I cannot connect, it says that a disconnect occurred while querying the database. 

Another factor is that I am using sqlYoga. I am not sure if Trevor is doing something behind the scenes that stores information specific to the network connection, so that is an unknown, although I don?t see why he would. This problem would also occur when I developed at my last place of employment, and the SQL server was local there, not remote as in on-rev. 

I have a small snippet of code that pings the sql server just to make sure I actually have a logical network connection in the first place, and that returns true even before the dreaded timeout. Might this be an on-rev problem? 

At any rate, I can think of multiple scenarios where a user might get disconnected from a network, and if I could reduce that timeout from one minute to something like 5 seconds or even 10 seconds, and then make sure my queried data is not too large, I could at least mitigate the problem by informing the user and allowing the user to decide if he wants to continue trying. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2014, at 13:36 , stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:
> 
>> I need a way to test whether or not the current connection to the database
>> is still valid without invoking the 1 minute wait. Any suggestions?
>> 
> 
> why do you have to keep 'connected' at all?  Why not open and close the
> connection with each transaction - there is practically no overhead for
> that - what usually takes time is the transmission of data?..  or am I
> missing something?
> 
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  2 14:34:35 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 19:34:35 +0000
Subject: mySQL disconnects
In-Reply-To: <1391204538468-4675378.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <E39E9C64-9C24-45D8-A65D-E31BE833DD13@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391204538468-4675378.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8D51B5F1-E451-417E-8956-A50872C3736D@iotecdigital.com>

Hi Mark. I?m a bit ahead of you on that one. I already ping before reconnecting to a database, but this will not ensure that the actual service is running on the server. Suppose the server is running but the database engine is crashed, or restarting for some reason, say a data backup for instance? 

What I need is a way to check for the availability of the database without actually running a query. My gut feeling is that there is not without invoking the dreaded 1 minute timeout, so the real question is, can I adjust the amount of time Livecode will wait before giving up? 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2014, at 13:42 , Mark Stuart <mfstuart at cox.net> wrote:

> Bob,
> If the OS environment is Windows, try shelling to a ping of the server to
> see if the server is up and running.
> Also, are there any MySQL command line functions that can be used also in a
> shell and reading the response. This may return a quicker result.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart
> -----------
> LC 4.6.4
> LC Community 6.1
> WinXP/7/8
> 32bit and 64bit
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/mySQL-disconnects-tp4675362p4675378.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Feb  2 14:38:42 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 11:38:42 -0800
Subject: mySQL disconnects
In-Reply-To: <54B8665C-419C-477E-B181-A04D308E8E0B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E39E9C64-9C24-45D8-A65D-E31BE833DD13@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAFmQfH+tVtwOWrnuwA6_7yCTwDWqXX5uhg5xONKLM1nzLr0fdg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54B8665C-419C-477E-B181-A04D308E8E0B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHJZLwodh-gFtb+dGrawsuYn0eS_pQxa0dP4M=H1A4EYPQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> I do in fact close the connection each time. But for some reason, when I
> attempt to reconnect, if it has been too long a time since the last
> connection, I get that error. Also, I am developing on a laptop, and when I
> take the laptop to another location, from work to home for example it seems
> to happen there too.
>

yes, perhaps it's just the nature of "over-shared" mysql servers? and it
seems to change with the weather. Lately Dreamhost has been incredibly slow
with my Wordpress installations - and I wonder if mySQL is the culprit.

sometimes I wonder if comcast or other citizen internet connections are
trolled for certain port numbers and 'throttle' to keep file sharing down -
I don't trust Comcast to not do stuff like that...

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Feb  2 14:45:19 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 11:45:19 -0800
Subject: mySQL disconnects
In-Reply-To: <8D51B5F1-E451-417E-8956-A50872C3736D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E39E9C64-9C24-45D8-A65D-E31BE833DD13@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391204538468-4675378.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<8D51B5F1-E451-417E-8956-A50872C3736D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHKH4YGMgRpPwKbhHXaBQ=7f7pVyZVsYpZRNagmnidXMzg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> What I need is a way to check for the availability of the database without
> actually running a query. My gut feeling is that there is not without
> invoking the dreaded 1 minute timeout, so the real question is, can I
> adjust the amount of time Livecode will wait before giving up?


have you tried some queries NOT using SQL yoga?

I thought most timing stuff was on the server side?

regarding a reliable 'ping':
I know there are non-storage mySQL commands like time and calculations that
would be very small blips? I assume you've tried those.

it's been a while since I did much mySQL work.. and I used Trevor's earlier
'abstraction layer' libraries that I needed to hack for my own purposes.

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  2 14:47:38 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 19:47:38 +0000
Subject: mySQL disconnects
In-Reply-To: <E39E9C64-9C24-45D8-A65D-E31BE833DD13@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E39E9C64-9C24-45D8-A65D-E31BE833DD13@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BE538E38-C85E-4F7E-B1B2-E2B5C6D8DBF7@iotecdigital.com>

Reposting my own post. I am looking at the socket API for Livecode and wondering if I can do something along those lines. Looks like I can manipulate the socket timeout, so that is promising. 

One thing that concerns me is that the dictionary says that code execution continues while the connection is being made, something I will have to prevent as the whole point is establishing a viable connection *before* I proceed. 

Does anyone have a simple example of how to use the socket API and wait for a response? I know I could probably take a couple hours of trial and error and figure it out, but frankly I am lazy. :-)

Bob


On Jan 31, 2014, at 08:28 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I?m struggling with an issue (it may have been addressed before but I cannot find it) where I am getting this error when attempting to query a mySQL database hosted at on-rev:
> 
> sqlyoga_executesql_err,0,0,Lost connection to MySQL server during query (SELECT customers.custid, customers.customername, customers.industry, customers.salesperson, customers.altid, customers.lastupdate FROM customers WHERE customername = "Webcor Builders  Inc?)
> 
> Yes I am using sqlYoga but I was getting the same error before I started using sqlYoga. It seems that the SQL server has some sort of timeout built in where sessions are dumped. It takes a full minute for the query to fail. I cannot subject end users to this kind of wait simply because they took a long lunch. 
> 
> I need a way to test whether or not the current connection to the database is still valid without invoking the 1 minute wait. Any suggestions? 
> 
> Bob




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Feb  2 14:49:45 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 11:49:45 -0800
Subject: mySQL disconnects
In-Reply-To: <BE538E38-C85E-4F7E-B1B2-E2B5C6D8DBF7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E39E9C64-9C24-45D8-A65D-E31BE833DD13@iotecdigital.com>
	<BE538E38-C85E-4F7E-B1B2-E2B5C6D8DBF7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHLidFu=xeczDuXv-A5BOiwgAnrQMsudryGEjbJKp3tCSA@mail.gmail.com>

I've been told that RevChat is a good place to start?

sqb

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> Reposting my own post. I am looking at the socket API for Livecode and
> wondering if I can do something along those lines. Looks like I can
> manipulate the socket timeout, so that is promising.
>
> One thing that concerns me is that the dictionary says that code execution
> continues while the connection is being made, something I will have to
> prevent as the whole point is establishing a viable connection *before* I
> proceed.
>
> Does anyone have a simple example of how to use the socket API and wait
> for a response? I know I could probably take a couple hours of trial and
> error and figure it out, but frankly I am lazy. :-)
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 08:28 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I?m struggling with an issue (it may have been addressed before but I
> cannot find it) where I am getting this error when attempting to query a
> mySQL database hosted at on-rev:
> >
> > sqlyoga_executesql_err,0,0,Lost connection to MySQL server during query
> (SELECT customers.custid, customers.customername, customers.industry,
> customers.salesperson, customers.altid, customers.lastupdate FROM customers
> WHERE customername = "Webcor Builders  Inc?)
> >
> > Yes I am using sqlYoga but I was getting the same error before I started
> using sqlYoga. It seems that the SQL server has some sort of timeout built
> in where sessions are dumped. It takes a full minute for the query to fail.
> I cannot subject end users to this kind of wait simply because they took a
> long lunch.
> >
> > I need a way to test whether or not the current connection to the
> database is still valid without invoking the 1 minute wait. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Bob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  2 15:03:27 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:03:27 +0000
Subject: LiveCode Server on OS X
In-Reply-To: <52EC69CB.7020308@hindu.org>
References: <52EC69CB.7020308@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <E889AC1B-4DF9-4727-BCDC-4DDACBFC7130@iotecdigital.com>

Sounds like someone has messed with the permissions. Try running permission repair before doing anything drastic. If there is a service that cannot access it?s own data, something got borked. 

AFP in and of itself does not create the permissions of a folder, although there are utilities that can manage the permissions. Even if AFP were not running, the permissions would remain. They are stored with the folder itself. 

What has likely occurred is that instead of using LOCAL permissions for services that need access to given folders, someone assigned Open Directory permissions instead. I can see how that might be problematic. 

Apache is to my knowledge not using Open Directory for authentication and permissions, so your IT needs to make sure that the proper LOCAL permissions are intact on any folders that Apache needs to access. 

HTH

Bob

 
On Jan 31, 2014, at 19:28 , Brahmanathswami <brahma at hindu.org> wrote:

> I would like to use LiveCode server on our OS X Mavericks Server outside an http context.
> 
> There seems to be issues on that box with running AFP file sharing, doing Web services and FTP mirros from our remote box in San Francisco all on the same machine. All kinds of permissions issues. The admin wants to discontinue web services on that machine and move all our mirrors to another server so that our server on the LAN does one thing only: AFP file sharing. (I'm not convinced that doing all three is not doable.. but those in charge can't seem to resolve issues and this is their solution...)
> 
> till now, I've been successfully pinging  http://local.domain.org/someProcess.lc  with web services/apache running on the server, over the network from desktop apps to get data from the machine.. I run some shelll commands from the *.lc files. for instances you can use the locate database on the machine to do some very powerful searches and get a better UI for search than Spotlight and offer users all kinds of features/filters... I do this with a desktop client that currently posts search string to the CGI.lc which then run a locate look up and returns results via port 80 to the desktop client.
> 
> If Apache/web services go away... can we still use LiveCode server on the box?  I'm not quite sure how I can remotely trigger scripts over the network if we can't use http... but wondering...can it be done?
> 
> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
> Brahmanathaswami
> 
> Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  2 15:05:10 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:05:10 +0000
Subject: SSL + static IP with an on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <1391162200802-4675356.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1391162200802-4675356.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4D2E7D49-DB60-4312-A47D-E9E2D2CEDF72@iotecdigital.com>

Wait, you are on pancake? Does that mean there are several on-rev hosts you can host your data on? If so, what is the most optimal host for me in Southern California?

Bob


On Jan 31, 2014, at 01:56 , Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com> wrote:

> Hello all
> 
> I'd like to get everyone's advice one getting SSL and static IP on one of
> the domains in my on-rev account (I got the lifetime option some time ago)
> 
> Reliability and performance got rather scratchy for a while but seem to be
> pretty good now (I'm on Pancake). For a while it also seemed that people
> with an on-rev account with static IP got worse reliability than those of us
> who didn't - what is the service for you like now? 
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/SSL-static-IP-with-an-on-rev-account-tp4675356.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  2 15:09:32 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:09:32 +0000
Subject: mySQL disconnects
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHKH4YGMgRpPwKbhHXaBQ=7f7pVyZVsYpZRNagmnidXMzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E39E9C64-9C24-45D8-A65D-E31BE833DD13@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391204538468-4675378.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<8D51B5F1-E451-417E-8956-A50872C3736D@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAFmQfHKH4YGMgRpPwKbhHXaBQ=7f7pVyZVsYpZRNagmnidXMzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <981D30AC-F450-4FB6-8AED-01704D550183@iotecdigital.com>

hmmm? interesting idea. That would certainly isolate whether or not the problem was one with sqlYoga, if I used Livecode API to do a time query. If it succeeds and an sqlYoga query times out, that would give me a vector on the problem. If a simple query fails using the LC API, then I would know it?s some kind of host connectivity issue. 

Thanks for the suggestion.

Bob


On Feb 2, 2014, at 11:45 , stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:
> 
>> What I need is a way to check for the availability of the database without
>> actually running a query. My gut feeling is that there is not without
>> invoking the dreaded 1 minute timeout, so the real question is, can I
>> adjust the amount of time Livecode will wait before giving up?
> 
> 
> have you tried some queries NOT using SQL yoga?
> 
> I thought most timing stuff was on the server side?
> 
> regarding a reliable 'ping':
> I know there are non-storage mySQL commands like time and calculations that
> would be very small blips? I assume you've tried those.
> 
> it's been a while since I did much mySQL work.. and I used Trevor's earlier
> 'abstraction layer' libraries that I needed to hack for my own purposes.
> 
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  2 15:17:09 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:17:09 +0000
Subject: OT-ish warning: Apple is still using  Mac Roman
In-Reply-To: <FC040665-20D5-4657-9CA5-4DFCAF7C773D@mac.com>
References: <FC040665-20D5-4657-9CA5-4DFCAF7C773D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <70827B06-0852-402C-9E08-DC3F60239D64@iotecdigital.com>

I recently was working on getting fields to accept unformatted text in a drag drop scenario. What I did was intercepted the drop, and then put the dropData [?text?] into the field. Something along these lines may be what you are looking for. 

As an aside, I was importing clipboard data from an Excel Spreadsheet copy, and interspersed in the actual data were non-printing codes. When I checked their ASCII values they were WAY outside the range of letters, numbers and special characters. Upon further research, they turned out to be old characters that use to be used in DOS applications for drawing boxes around a bit of text. I was getting the one for the bottom border character for a vertical line for a double line box. 

So the moral to the story is, just because you get the clipboardData [?text?] does not mean it?s what you expect! :-)

Bob


On Jan 29, 2014, at 13:40 , Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> I'm using LC 6.5.1 on a Mac with Mavericks. Recently I was given a Pages document with some text I needed to paste into a LiveCode desktop app. The relevant text was:
> 
> 3*(-1*x^2 + 4)(-1*x^4 - 5x + 2)
> 
> (Don't worry, it's just a meaningless example).
> 
> I changed this to plain text (it had originally been coloured and I thought this might affect the result). I then used an LC script to search for some characters, particularly the minus signs. Couldn't find them. Then I realised that I had to put the text string through LC's MactoISO function - so Pages, far from using UniCode (I thought everybody was doing it) is still using the old Mac character set. LC, even on a Mac, apparently isn't. The thing is, the pasted text **looks** OK in an LC field, but it's not.
> 
> Just a gotcha that surprised me and may bite someone else.
> 
> I'm wondering if LC 7 will take this kind of problem away. I'm also wondering what Apple are up to still using a proprietary character code. And I'm wondering if I should have tried to do the whole thing with Unicode text.
> 
> Graham
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  2 15:26:26 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:26:26 +0000
Subject: [OT] Social Engineering against the common sense
In-Reply-To: <1391027536671-4675297.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1391027536671-4675297.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25721524-CCF5-4192-8A03-F79A4D070AB6@iotecdigital.com>

Slightly related is my feelings about cloud computing in general. My gut told me when cloud computing was first put forward that it was a really, really bad idea. My primary objection was that people would invariably store their critical data on servers that neither I nor the company had control of. Data could be compromised, lost or otherwise mutilated, and I would have absolutely no control and possibly no knowledge of the issue, until it was too late. It seems there have been many incidents of late that bear this out. 

Bob


On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:32 , Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Read and believe:
> http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2014/01/29/lost-50000-twitter-username/
> 
> Something like this would not happen again. 
> Correct?
> Never again... 
> 
> :(
> 
> Al
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Social-Engineering-against-the-common-sense-tp4675297.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 15:32:40 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 22:32:40 +0200
Subject: OT-ish warning: Apple is still using  Mac Roman
In-Reply-To: <70827B06-0852-402C-9E08-DC3F60239D64@iotecdigital.com>
References: <FC040665-20D5-4657-9CA5-4DFCAF7C773D@mac.com>
	<70827B06-0852-402C-9E08-DC3F60239D64@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <52EEAB68.3090209@gmail.com>

On 02/02/14 22:17, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I recently was working on getting fields to accept unformatted text in a drag drop scenario. What I did was intercepted the drop, and then put the dropData [?text?] into the field. Something along these lines may be what you are looking for.
>
> As an aside, I was importing clipboard data from an Excel Spreadsheet copy, and interspersed in the actual data were non-printing codes. When I checked their ASCII values they were WAY outside the range of letters, numbers and special characters. Upon further research, they turned out to be old characters that use to be used in DOS applications for drawing boxes around a bit of text. I was getting the one for the bottom border character for a vertical line for a double line box.

That's alright in theory as Unicode has these chars:

http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2500.pdf

"All of these characters are intended for compatibility with
character cell graphic sets in use prior to 1990."

HOWEVER, I don;t just suppose Livecode converts those to Unicode 
on-the-fly when
importing/dragging text into a field.

Richmond.

>
> So the moral to the story is, just because you get the clipboardData [?text?] does not mean it?s what you expect! :-)
>
> Bob
>
>




From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sun Feb  2 15:35:15 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 12:35:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SSL + static IP with an on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <4D2E7D49-DB60-4312-A47D-E9E2D2CEDF72@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1391162200802-4675356.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D2E7D49-DB60-4312-A47D-E9E2D2CEDF72@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1391373315255-4675422.post@n4.nabble.com>

Bob Sneidar-2 wrote
> ...what is the most optimal host for me in Southern California?

Good question. My understanding is that Pancake and others servers are based
in Paris (France) - they used to be in Texas - however RunRev have been very
opaque as to what machines are physically where, mirrors (if any) etc so I
would ask them directly. Unless Richard or someone else knows the answer?




-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/SSL-static-IP-with-an-on-rev-account-tp4675356p4675422.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Feb  2 15:38:05 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 12:38:05 -0800
Subject: [OT] Social Engineering against the common sense
In-Reply-To: <25721524-CCF5-4192-8A03-F79A4D070AB6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1391027536671-4675297.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<25721524-CCF5-4192-8A03-F79A4D070AB6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHKW-z5o_owAtd_bMs=vpc5JsfOOy=c6zKb6EoF5eGxMcw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> Slightly related is my feelings about cloud computing in general.


agreed. But we as data peons ( on asymmetrical networks designed for
consumers and downloads ) are stuck with slower upload speeds, changing IP
numbers (otherwise pay more), throttling and unknown monitoring and
filtering methods for legal and load reasons. There's also the
downtime/backup requirements. All of which may make hosting our own servers
problematic - and once we are on the 'other side of the firewall' we are
still vulnerable.

A very long time ago I used to think that co-hosting was a shelf somewhere
in a secure building with a good connection where we could plop our own
machine in and run it remotely. Silly me.

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Feb  2 15:40:41 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 12:40:41 -0800
Subject: SSL + static IP with an on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <1391373315255-4675422.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1391162200802-4675356.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D2E7D49-DB60-4312-A47D-E9E2D2CEDF72@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391373315255-4675422.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+TV5UOksTwE9ZfDhFLnK05Y6egg2-u4CkwKV2FWLqG3g@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>wrote:

> Good question. My understanding is that Pancake and others servers are
> based
> in Paris (France) - they used to be in Texas - however RunRev have been
> very
> opaque as to what machines are physically where, mirrors (if any) etc so I
> would ask them directly. Unless Richard or someone else knows the answer?
>

what's great about Amazon storage is that you can 'locate' your data in
whatever area in the world works best for you - or several of them, with
one account.

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From pystcat at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 15:45:19 2014
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 15:45:19 -0500
Subject: SSL + static IP with an on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfH+TV5UOksTwE9ZfDhFLnK05Y6egg2-u4CkwKV2FWLqG3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1391162200802-4675356.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D2E7D49-DB60-4312-A47D-E9E2D2CEDF72@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391373315255-4675422.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAFmQfH+TV5UOksTwE9ZfDhFLnK05Y6egg2-u4CkwKV2FWLqG3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7019CA9E-0A0C-45F2-B3E4-6E0C53EE26E9@gmail.com>

Has anyone used Amazon's cloud storage with LiveCode...?  I would be interested in hearing any success(?) or fail(?) stories...

> On Feb 2, 2014, at 3:40 PM, stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>wrote:
> 
>> Good question. My understanding is that Pancake and others servers are
>> based
>> in Paris (France) - they used to be in Texas - however RunRev have been
>> very
>> opaque as to what machines are physically where, mirrors (if any) etc so I
>> would ask them directly. Unless Richard or someone else knows the answer?
> 
> what's great about Amazon storage is that you can 'locate' your data in
> whatever area in the world works best for you - or several of them, with
> one account.
> 
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  2 15:49:52 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:49:52 +0000
Subject: FTP and File Paths
In-Reply-To: <6203EE59-C647-4DDD-A308-AB929C499910@videotron.ca>
References: <6203EE59-C647-4DDD-A308-AB929C499910@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <2A4B2FEB-06D2-402A-8CE9-6334A419764A@iotecdigital.com>

With FTP, the home folder depends on the login. Each login can have a home (or root) folder. Make sure your path is not the full path for the file system the ftp server is on, but rather begins with the root of that particular user.

Bob


On Jan 11, 2014, at 08:00 , Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I?m having trouble getting the list of files in a subfolder, myData, of the WebServer folder on a remote Mac. I am able to get listings on any folder in my user account using
> 
> put url "ftp://username:password@ myRemoteMacDomain//Documents/anyFolder/?	
> 
> but the following turns up empty when I direct it to the myData folder
> 
> put url "ftp://username:password at myRemoteMacDomain//Library/WebServer/share/httpd/myData/?
> 
> I have read and write permission to all of the relevant folders in Library/WebServer/ and the path that I use above works fine in Mathematica and FTP programs such as Interarchy. Am I specifying the path incorrectly?
> 
> Any advice would be most appreciated.
> 
> Gregory
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 15:59:23 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2014 22:59:23 +0200
Subject: One step beyond
In-Reply-To: <52EE9AD0.1030208@gmail.com>
References: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>
	<1391368354475-4675408.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<52EE9AD0.1030208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52EEB1AB.5060409@gmail.com>

New version with daft remarks popping up when you hit the Jackpot.

If you want to blame it on the "Hispaniola Effect" :)

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/PLOD/fruity.livecode.zip

Richmond.



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Feb  2 16:42:37 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:42:37 -0800
Subject: SSL + static IP with an on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <7019CA9E-0A0C-45F2-B3E4-6E0C53EE26E9@gmail.com>
References: <1391162200802-4675356.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D2E7D49-DB60-4312-A47D-E9E2D2CEDF72@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391373315255-4675422.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAFmQfH+TV5UOksTwE9ZfDhFLnK05Y6egg2-u4CkwKV2FWLqG3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<7019CA9E-0A0C-45F2-B3E4-6E0C53EE26E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHLzu7K=mruuricEgO-qA1MCaEpEFERiO-rf_=eiv4x-FA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:45 PM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone used Amazon's cloud storage with LiveCode...?  I would be
> interested in hearing any success(?) or fail(?) stories...


the 'other' and 'late' Mark Smith wrote a library just for that purpose a
few years ago. One of the list members is hosting it somewhere?.

here you go..

http://www.runrevplanet.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=148:webpage-of-the-month-mark-smiths-livecode-libraries&catid=56:website-of-the-month&Itemid=118

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Feb  2 16:44:06 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:44:06 -0800
Subject: SSL + static IP with an on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHLzu7K=mruuricEgO-qA1MCaEpEFERiO-rf_=eiv4x-FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1391162200802-4675356.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D2E7D49-DB60-4312-A47D-E9E2D2CEDF72@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391373315255-4675422.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAFmQfH+TV5UOksTwE9ZfDhFLnK05Y6egg2-u4CkwKV2FWLqG3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<7019CA9E-0A0C-45F2-B3E4-6E0C53EE26E9@gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLzu7K=mruuricEgO-qA1MCaEpEFERiO-rf_=eiv4x-FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHL4-JY6FVZ+hweJ6MxGqhs0RjoHWFrdLNuagU+NMQLB6g@mail.gmail.com>

crap. Bad link.

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:42 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

>
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:45 PM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used Amazon's cloud storage with LiveCode...?  I would be
>> interested in hearing any success(?) or fail(?) stories...
>
>
> the 'other' and 'late' Mark Smith wrote a library just for that purpose a
> few years ago. One of the list members is hosting it somewhere?.
>
> here you go..
>
>
> http://www.runrevplanet.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=148:webpage-of-the-month-mark-smiths-livecode-libraries&catid=56:website-of-the-month&Itemid=118
>
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Feb  2 16:46:45 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 13:46:45 -0800
Subject: SSL + static IP with an on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHL4-JY6FVZ+hweJ6MxGqhs0RjoHWFrdLNuagU+NMQLB6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1391162200802-4675356.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D2E7D49-DB60-4312-A47D-E9E2D2CEDF72@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391373315255-4675422.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAFmQfH+TV5UOksTwE9ZfDhFLnK05Y6egg2-u4CkwKV2FWLqG3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<7019CA9E-0A0C-45F2-B3E4-6E0C53EE26E9@gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLzu7K=mruuricEgO-qA1MCaEpEFERiO-rf_=eiv4x-FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHL4-JY6FVZ+hweJ6MxGqhs0RjoHWFrdLNuagU+NMQLB6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+2GYH8rhQEvLcxAopBe2v5S4j5dpoE=_RmAaS_L3y-+A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:44 PM, stephen barncard <
stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> crap. Bad link.


contact me offline if you still would like it. I save everything.

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 16:48:51 2014
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 22:48:51 +0100
Subject: [ANN] MS Excel Library 1.1 - First commands about Pivot Tables and
	More
Message-ID: <CANbzFDoY+eiM1SxFzC3aW5v=9uQ4=dWkQyqyeZC2h2UYLF01-g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear LiveCode and MS Excel Users,


The Excel Library 1.1 is now available for our Registred Users.


What we have for you in this version?


1. Pivot Table commands

As announced in a previous RevUp article, we have added our first
commands for supporting the MS Excel's Pivot Table object.
In this version we have 7 commands and 1 function for controlling the
Pivot Table object:

- XCEL_PivotTable_New: creates a new Pivot Table
- XCEL_PivotTable_Exists: returns true if the Pivot Table exists
- XCEL_PivotTable_Delete: deletes a Pivot Table
- XCEL_PivotTable_Refresh: refreshes a Pivot Table
- XCEL_PivotTable_Style_Set: defines the style of the Pivot Table report
- XCEL_PivotTable_Fld_Define: defines a Pivot Table field category
among the following categories: filter, row, column or value
- XCEL_PivotTable_Fld_Position_Set: defines the order of a Pivot Table
field among a category
- XCEL_PivotTable_Item_Visible_Set: shows or hides a Pivot Table item
in a category

All these commands are described in the Library documentation. Plus, a
dedicated section allows to experiment the main new commands.
http://www.aslugontheroad.com/images/Preview/Excel_Lib_Preview/pivottable_doc_preview.png


2 Two new functions are also available:

- XCEL_Worbook_Exists
- XCEL_Sheet_Exists


3. And two bugs have been fixed:

- A bug with commands using 2 similar kinds of object (2 ranges, 2
sheets, etc). The second object was using the same definition than the
first object. Example with 2 ranges: if the first range was defined to
be in sheet 1 and a second range was defined to be in sheet 2, the
second range was declared to be in sheet 1 (the sheet defined for the
first range).
- XCEL_Sheet_New (Macintosh) is now returning the new sheet name without quotes.


The Commercial version of the Library contains now more than 190
commands compatible with Windows and Macintosh. All the vocabulary is
fully detailed in the Library Documentation.


If you want to support the development and have interest in the
Library, please consider to purchase the Commercial version in the
LiveCode Store:
http://livecode.com/store/marketplace/excel-library


Depending of the number of copies sold, we will decide to explore the
possibility of a MS Word and MS Powerpoint library.



As we have nothing to hide, the Open Source version 1.0 of our Library
is still available in our webiste under GPL license, by following this
link:
http://www.aslugontheroad.com/download/category/5-open-sources

You can freely evaluate our work and / or use the library in your
non-commercial projects.



Best Regards,
-- 
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Sun Feb  2 17:19:02 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 17:19:02 -0500
Subject: One step beyond
In-Reply-To: <52EEB1AB.5060409@gmail.com>
References: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>
	<1391368354475-4675408.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<52EE9AD0.1030208@gmail.com> <52EEB1AB.5060409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXN2TMN59qtUDDnv2FiBuEvDP7iNJ_ESG2kkFJvHVUnOcw@mail.gmail.com>

I had to slow the movespeed down to 1000 so I could see the spinning
action.  It's a cool little game, Richmond!

~Roger


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> New version with daft remarks popping up when you hit the Jackpot.
>
> If you want to blame it on the "Hispaniola Effect" :)
>
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/PLOD/fruity.livecode.zip
>
> Richmond.
>
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 17:25:31 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 00:25:31 +0200
Subject: One step beyond
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXN2TMN59qtUDDnv2FiBuEvDP7iNJ_ESG2kkFJvHVUnOcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52EE198F.2010805@gmail.com>	<1391368354475-4675408.post@n4.nabble.com>	<52EE9AD0.1030208@gmail.com>
	<52EEB1AB.5060409@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXN2TMN59qtUDDnv2FiBuEvDP7iNJ_ESG2kkFJvHVUnOcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52EEC5DB.8010103@gmail.com>

On 03/02/14 00:19, Roger Eller wrote:
> I had to slow the movespeed down to 1000 so I could see the spinning
> action.  It's a cool little game, Richmond!

Thanks.

>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> New version with daft remarks popping up when you hit the Jackpot.
>>
>> If you want to blame it on the "Hispaniola Effect" :)
>>
>> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/PLOD/fruity.livecode.zip
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pystcat at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 17:42:38 2014
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 17:42:38 -0500
Subject: SSL + static IP with an on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHL4-JY6FVZ+hweJ6MxGqhs0RjoHWFrdLNuagU+NMQLB6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1391162200802-4675356.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4D2E7D49-DB60-4312-A47D-E9E2D2CEDF72@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391373315255-4675422.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAFmQfH+TV5UOksTwE9ZfDhFLnK05Y6egg2-u4CkwKV2FWLqG3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<7019CA9E-0A0C-45F2-B3E4-6E0C53EE26E9@gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLzu7K=mruuricEgO-qA1MCaEpEFERiO-rf_=eiv4x-FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHL4-JY6FVZ+hweJ6MxGqhs0RjoHWFrdLNuagU+NMQLB6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E2611F6-77B1-49DD-AB55-0D75B586BBA3@gmail.com>

The link worked.

> On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:44 PM, stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> 
> crap. Bad link.
> 
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:42 PM, stephen barncard <
> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:45 PM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone used Amazon's cloud storage with LiveCode...?  I would be
>>> interested in hearing any success(?) or fail(?) stories...
>> 
>> 
>> the 'other' and 'late' Mark Smith wrote a library just for that purpose a
>> few years ago. One of the list members is hosting it somewhere?.
>> 
>> here you go..
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.runrevplanet.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=148:webpage-of-the-month-mark-smiths-livecode-libraries&catid=56:website-of-the-month&Itemid=118
>> 
>> *--*
>> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Feb  2 20:27:42 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (prothero at earthednet.org)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 17:27:42 -0800
Subject: I find this very odd
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDoY+eiM1SxFzC3aW5v=9uQ4=dWkQyqyeZC2h2UYLF01-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbzFDoY+eiM1SxFzC3aW5v=9uQ4=dWkQyqyeZC2h2UYLF01-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>

Folks:

I am using LiveCode 6.5.1 and I find the following behavior very odd.

I am working with datagrids and have the dgData of a datagrid, which is a normal array.

put the dgData of group "DataGrid 3" into myDatagridArray

Then I do:
put myDatagridArray into newArray

What's then in newArray is "myDataGridArray", just the text name of the array.

This seems an odd behavior to me. Can't one just set one array to another array?
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org






From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Feb  2 20:45:14 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 02:45:14 +0100
Subject: I find this very odd
In-Reply-To: <4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>
References: <CANbzFDoY+eiM1SxFzC3aW5v=9uQ4=dWkQyqyeZC2h2UYLF01-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <52EEF4AA.9000405@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Bill,

It looks like you put the array into myDatagridArray  in one handler and 
try to read this variable in another handler. Another possibility is 
that you made a small spelling error in the variable name. It is also 
possible that you are check the value of the variable in the script 
editor while using the somewhat unreliable debugger. Instead of using 
the debugger here, you could add the line

put the keys of myDatagridArray

and a line

answer (myDatagridArray is an array)

in convenient places to check the content of the variable.


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/3/2014 02:27, prothero at earthednet.org wrote:
> Folks:
>
> I am using LiveCode 6.5.1 and I find the following behavior very odd.
>
> I am working with datagrids and have the dgData of a datagrid, which is a normal array.
>
> put the dgData of group "DataGrid 3" into myDatagridArray
>
> Then I do:
> put myDatagridArray into newArray
>
> What's then in newArray is "myDataGridArray", just the text name of the array.
>
> This seems an odd behavior to me. Can't one just set one array to another array?
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



From dunbarx at aol.com  Sun Feb  2 22:26:17 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 22:26:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: I find this very odd
In-Reply-To: <4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>
References: <CANbzFDoY+eiM1SxFzC3aW5v=9uQ4=dWkQyqyeZC2h2UYLF01-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <8D0EEA6D51C39B6-21AC-15BBA@webmail-vm035.sysops.aol.com>

What Mark said.


I has to be something, because there is no reason you cannot put an array into as many new variables one after the other.They will all be arrays. try it with a new DG that contains a little data. In a button:



on mouseup
   put the dgData of grp 1 into myarray
   put myarray into newArray
   put newArray into bb
end mouseup


put a breakpoint at "end mouseUp"


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: prothero <prothero at earthednet.org>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 2, 2014 8:28 pm
Subject: I find this very odd


Folks:

I am using LiveCode 6.5.1 and I find the following behavior very odd.

I am working with datagrids and have the dgData of a datagrid, which is a normal 
array.

put the dgData of group "DataGrid 3" into myDatagridArray

Then I do:
put myDatagridArray into newArray

What's then in newArray is "myDataGridArray", just the text name of the array.

This seems an odd behavior to me. Can't one just set one array to another array?
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org




_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 



From peterwawood at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 22:31:17 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:31:17 +0800
Subject: I find this very odd
In-Reply-To: <4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>
References: <CANbzFDoY+eiM1SxFzC3aW5v=9uQ4=dWkQyqyeZC2h2UYLF01-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <D3FAA020-C62B-416C-A13A-589AAD323C74@gmail.com>

Bill

I tried the following code in the message box in 6.5.1 and it gave the results that you are expecting:

Code
put "1" into tArray[1]
put "2" into tArray[2]
put tArray into tAnotherArray
put tAnotherArray[1] & lf into tP
put "6" into tArray[1]
put tArray[1] & lf after tP
put tAnotherArray[1] & lf after tP
put tP

Output
1
6
1

Perhaps dgData is not such a normal array after all?

Peter
http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com

On 3 Feb 2014, at 09:27, prothero at earthednet.org wrote:

> Folks:
> 
> I am using LiveCode 6.5.1 and I find the following behavior very odd.
> 
> I am working with datagrids and have the dgData of a datagrid, which is a normal array.
> 
> put the dgData of group "DataGrid 3" into myDatagridArray
> 
> Then I do:
> put myDatagridArray into newArray
> 
> What's then in newArray is "myDataGridArray", just the text name of the array.
> 
> This seems an odd behavior to me. Can't one just set one array to another array?
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Feb  2 23:35:52 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (prothero at earthednet.org)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 20:35:52 -0800
Subject: I find this very odd
In-Reply-To: <D3FAA020-C62B-416C-A13A-589AAD323C74@gmail.com>
References: <CANbzFDoY+eiM1SxFzC3aW5v=9uQ4=dWkQyqyeZC2h2UYLF01-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>
	<D3FAA020-C62B-416C-A13A-589AAD323C74@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C3FE721-4B5A-44A2-8DDB-C550685D36C2@earthednet.org>

Folks:
Ok, its late here and I've been working on this all day. Even missed the SuperBowl, zowee!
It's my bad. It does act like I thought it should.
Sorry for wasting your time, and seeming to be ??.
Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org



On Feb 2, 2014, at 7:31 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bill
> 
> I tried the following code in the message box in 6.5.1 and it gave the results that you are expecting:
> 
> Code
> put "1" into tArray[1]
> put "2" into tArray[2]
> put tArray into tAnotherArray
> put tAnotherArray[1] & lf into tP
> put "6" into tArray[1]
> put tArray[1] & lf after tP
> put tAnotherArray[1] & lf after tP
> put tP
> 
> Output
> 1
> 6
> 1
> 
> Perhaps dgData is not such a normal array after all?
> 
> Peter
> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
> 
> On 3 Feb 2014, at 09:27, prothero at earthednet.org wrote:
> 
>> Folks:
>> 
>> I am using LiveCode 6.5.1 and I find the following behavior very odd.
>> 
>> I am working with datagrids and have the dgData of a datagrid, which is a normal array.
>> 
>> put the dgData of group "DataGrid 3" into myDatagridArray
>> 
>> Then I do:
>> put myDatagridArray into newArray
>> 
>> What's then in newArray is "myDataGridArray", just the text name of the array.
>> 
>> This seems an odd behavior to me. Can't one just set one array to another array?
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Feb  3 11:31:59 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:31:59 -0500
Subject: mySQL disconnects
In-Reply-To: <981D30AC-F450-4FB6-8AED-01704D550183@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E39E9C64-9C24-45D8-A65D-E31BE833DD13@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391204538468-4675378.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<8D51B5F1-E451-417E-8956-A50872C3736D@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAFmQfHKH4YGMgRpPwKbhHXaBQ=7f7pVyZVsYpZRNagmnidXMzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<981D30AC-F450-4FB6-8AED-01704D550183@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_B4H2SuPUQmxts5JsD6z6KDJSNO6_U-jnEEup9UsVhEQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> hmmm... interesting idea. That would certainly isolate whether or not the
> problem was one with sqlYoga, if I used Livecode API to do a time query. If
> it succeeds and an sqlYoga query times out, that would give me a vector on
> the problem. If a simple query fails using the LC API, then I would know
> it's some kind of host connectivity issue.


FYI - SQL Yoga has been released under a dual license so the source code is
now available (and it works under Community). If you download the latest
version from the SQL Yoga site you can browse through the SQL Yoga code to
see what is going on.

http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/sql-yoga/

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb  3 11:44:10 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 08:44:10 -0800
Subject: mySQL disconnects
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG_B4H2SuPUQmxts5JsD6z6KDJSNO6_U-jnEEup9UsVhEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHg3tG_B4H2SuPUQmxts5JsD6z6KDJSNO6_U-jnEEup9UsVhEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52EFC75A.8080600@fourthworld.com>

Trevor DeVore wrote:

> FYI - SQL Yoga has been released under a dual license so the source code is
> now available (and it works under Community). If you download the latest
> version from the SQL Yoga site you can browse through the SQL Yoga code to
> see what is going on.
>
> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/sql-yoga/

Given the ever-greater number of people using LiveCode in environments 
where the GPL is considered important, thanks for releasing that as 
dual-license.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Feb  3 17:50:59 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 17:50:59 -0500
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
Message-ID: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>

Especially if you would like it to be more Windows or OSX like:

http://www.northkoreatech.org/2014/01/31/north-koreas-red-star-os-goes-mac/





From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Mon Feb  3 19:23:27 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:23:27 -0500
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>

It has a strong resemblance to the Pear Linux distro, which does a fine job
of being Mac-like as well.

At 7:10 in the video below, the "star" is probably just a coincidence,
so... yeah...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HAZTHK869A

~Roger


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Especially if you would like it to be more Windows or OSX like:
>
> http://www.northkoreatech.org/2014/01/31/north-koreas-red-star-os-goes-mac/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Feb  3 19:27:44 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 00:27:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: of possible Android interest
Message-ID: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>

This came up at work today. Not sure what to make of it, but it's sure hard
to beat that price point.

Beidou LA-I2 4.0" Capacitive TFT Screen Android 4.0.4 Dual-Core Qualcomm
8225 1.2GHz 3G Smartphone with Wi-Fi, GPS, 5.0MP Camera (512MB RAM & 4GB
ROM) (White)

<http://www.focalprice.com/MH0618W/Beidou_LA_I2_4.0_Capacitive_TFT_Screen_Android_4.0.4_Dual_Core_Qualcomm_8225.html>

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Mon Feb  3 19:53:17 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 00:53:17 +0000
Subject: of possible Android interest
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269C791@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>

Wow, that is unreal!

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Wieder
Sent: Tuesday, 04 February 2014 11:28
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: of possible Android interest

This came up at work today. Not sure what to make of it, but it's sure hard
to beat that price point.

Beidou LA-I2 4.0" Capacitive TFT Screen Android 4.0.4 Dual-Core Qualcomm
8225 1.2GHz 3G Smartphone with Wi-Fi, GPS, 5.0MP Camera (512MB RAM & 4GB
ROM) (White)

<http://www.focalprice.com/MH0618W/Beidou_LA_I2_4.0_Capacitive_TFT_Screen_Android_4.0.4_Dual_Core_Qualcomm_8225.html>

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com


_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Feb  3 20:12:32 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 01:12:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: of possible Android interest
References: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269C791@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <loom.20140204T021208-296@post.gmane.org>

Nakia Brewer <Nakia.Brewer at ...> writes:

> 
> Wow, that is unreal!

Yeah, that's what's worrying me about it.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com






From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb  3 20:23:08 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 01:23:08 +0000
Subject: mySQL disconnects
In-Reply-To: <52EFC75A.8080600@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAHg3tG_B4H2SuPUQmxts5JsD6z6KDJSNO6_U-jnEEup9UsVhEQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52EFC75A.8080600@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F2F53BC5-53A7-4500-B794-33C03D84CB53@iotecdigital.com>

Yes, a great many thankee?s from me too! I really like slqYoga, and if I can improve on it any little bit I will try. 

Bob


On Feb 3, 2014, at 08:44 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
>> FYI - SQL Yoga has been released under a dual license so the source code is
>> now available (and it works under Community). If you download the latest
>> version from the SQL Yoga site you can browse through the SQL Yoga code to
>> see what is going on.
>> 
>> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/sql-yoga/
> 
> Given the ever-greater number of people using LiveCode in environments where the GPL is considered important, thanks for releasing that as dual-license.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Mon Feb  3 20:26:10 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 12:26:10 +1100
Subject: of possible Android interest
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140204T021208-296@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269C791@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
	<loom.20140204T021208-296@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <EBE3A8D7-5877-4863-A02A-2F97E95F4A49@gmail.com>

I just bought one. I'll let you know if it was worth it in a week or two :)

g


On 4 Feb 2014, at 12:12 pm, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Yeah, that's what's worrying me about it.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb  3 20:27:16 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 01:27:16 +0000
Subject: I find this very odd
In-Reply-To: <4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>
References: <CANbzFDoY+eiM1SxFzC3aW5v=9uQ4=dWkQyqyeZC2h2UYLF01-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <1CB3648A-73A4-4CAF-9D50-F1099A7CBC7C@iotecdigital.com>

There has to be a typo. Did you copy paste the *actual* code, or did you retype it into the email?

Bob


On Feb 2, 2014, at 17:27 , prothero at earthednet.org wrote:

> Folks:
> 
> I am using LiveCode 6.5.1 and I find the following behavior very odd.
> 
> I am working with datagrids and have the dgData of a datagrid, which is a normal array.
> 
> put the dgData of group "DataGrid 3" into myDatagridArray
> 
> Then I do:
> put myDatagridArray into newArray
> 
> What's then in newArray is "myDataGridArray", just the text name of the array.
> 
> This seems an odd behavior to me. Can't one just set one array to another array?
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb  3 20:41:54 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 01:41:54 +0000
Subject: iOS codesigning
In-Reply-To: <1391207545180-4675382.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <85207622-B88A-4F63-9361-353D02737139@logilangue.com>
	<1391203186214-4675374.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C98C2C74-9D52-43FD-B283-FCBC3EF2945B@logilangue.com>
	<1391207545180-4675382.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <53CB3D5F-5A14-45AB-8710-B3773FFC33E4@iotecdigital.com>

If you delete a certificate, the server will simply offer you another. No big deal. You only get a conflict when you get a certificate that is current and does not match the one you already have. 

Bob


On Jan 31, 2014, at 14:32 , Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com> wrote:

> Keychain files are kept in 'dave/Library/Keychains/' (substituting 'dave' for
> 'alain' of course) so you could have a look in there and experiment with
> creating new keychains from Keychain Access and seeing how they behave.
> 
> But before you do that you could try 'Keychain First Aid' in the 'File' menu
> which gives options to 'verify' and/or 'repair'. I think I tried this but it
> didn't help but maybe you will have more luck...
> 
> The other thing is to check that 'Hide expired certificates' is not checked
> in the 'View' menu - actually thinking about it, this was probably my
> problem a year ago and I should have fixed it in 5 minutes :)
> 
> And I certainly did make copies of keychains before I messed with them!
> 
> Be careful with certificates, spend some time exploring Keychain Access and
> don't do anything without making sure you can reverse out of trouble.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/iOS-codesigning-tp4675372p4675382.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Feb  3 22:18:28 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:18:28 -0800
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>

Not amusing to the look and feel people at Apple.

the Icons are copied or very close. Not to mention about 20 other things.
Can 'they' get away with this?

sqb

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>wrote:

> It has a strong resemblance to the Pear Linux distro, which does a fine job
> of being Mac-like as well.
>
> At 7:10 in the video below, the "star" is probably just a coincidence,
> so... yeah...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HAZTHK869A
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Especially if you would like it to be more Windows or OSX like:
> >
> >
> http://www.northkoreatech.org/2014/01/31/north-koreas-red-star-os-goes-mac/
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 02:24:09 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:24:09 +0200
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <52F09599.2060607@gmail.com>

On 04/02/14 00:50, Colin Holgate wrote:
> Especially if you would like it to be more Windows or OSX like:
>
> http://www.northkoreatech.org/2014/01/31/north-koreas-red-star-os-goes-mac/
>

Oooh, it just warms the cockles of my heart.

Who wants to move to North Korea with me?

Richmond.

>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 05:15:50 2014
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:15:50 +0100
Subject: Sinds yesterday uploading app: Error ITMS-9000: Bundle invalid?
	Please read on ....
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn7z1aAbQwraZJmQkeAu1sc4s_T++5k97MNx2M=HB2khPA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

My app was finished yesterday and using the latest version of 'Application
Loader' it gives the this error:
ERROR ITMS - 9000: "This bundle is invalid. New apps and app updates
submitted to the App Store must be built with Xcode 5 and iOS 7 SDK." at
SoftwareAssets/SoftwareAsset (MZitmspSoftwareAssetPackage).

I know that since 01-02-14 all apps and updates need to be build against
Xcode 5 and iOS7.
Could it be an error in LC?
Anyone else seeing this?


My setup is Mavericks 10.9.1, Xcode 5.02 and LC 6.5.2.


Greetings,

William


From neil at runrev.com  Tue Feb  4 05:29:28 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 10:29:28 +0000
Subject: Sinds yesterday uploading app: Error ITMS-9000: Bundle invalid?
	Please read on ....
In-Reply-To: <CAHFYGn7z1aAbQwraZJmQkeAu1sc4s_T++5k97MNx2M=HB2khPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHFYGn7z1aAbQwraZJmQkeAu1sc4s_T++5k97MNx2M=HB2khPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F0C108.1000606@runrev.com>

Hi William,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

If possible could you submit a bug report with RunRev Quality Control 
and we will look into this asap.

http://quality.runrev.com


Kind Regards,


Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
--


On 04/02/2014 10:15, William de Smet wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> My app was finished yesterday and using the latest version of 'Application
> Loader' it gives the this error:
> ERROR ITMS - 9000: "This bundle is invalid. New apps and app updates
> submitted to the App Store must be built with Xcode 5 and iOS 7 SDK." at
> SoftwareAssets/SoftwareAsset (MZitmspSoftwareAssetPackage).
>
> I know that since 01-02-14 all apps and updates need to be build against
> Xcode 5 and iOS7.
> Could it be an error in LC?
> Anyone else seeing this?
>
>
> My setup is Mavericks 10.9.1, Xcode 5.02 and LC 6.5.2.
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> William
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Tue Feb  4 05:40:58 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 10:40:58 +0000
Subject: Rotate IMG on IOS
Message-ID: <36BE86EE-63EA-4AE2-B037-7E87F573DB0D@westrac.com.au>

Is there a way to rotate an image on mobile that is equivalent of the rotate command. Rotate doesn't state comparability with mobile in the dictionary..

Sent from my iPhone
COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 05:43:21 2014
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:43:21 +0100
Subject: Sinds yesterday uploading app: Error ITMS-9000: Bundle invalid?
	Please read on ....
In-Reply-To: <52F0C108.1000606@runrev.com>
References: <CAHFYGn7z1aAbQwraZJmQkeAu1sc4s_T++5k97MNx2M=HB2khPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F0C108.1000606@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn4aa3uuNKf+6hyQZUeg=F54Jxy-dgnqza_T96DH4jbcDA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Neil,

I just noticed that on the forum there is the same error given.
I put mine there as well.
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=18998&p=95818#p95818

I just submitted a bug report but this was the first time I did so I hope
my contribution makes sense.



groeten,

William


2014-02-04 Neil Roger <neil at runrev.com>:

> Hi William,
>
> Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
>
> If possible could you submit a bug report with RunRev Quality Control and
> we will look into this asap.
>
> http://quality.runrev.com
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Neil Roger
> --
> RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
> --
>
>
>
> On 04/02/2014 10:15, William de Smet wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> My app was finished yesterday and using the latest version of 'Application
>> Loader' it gives the this error:
>> ERROR ITMS - 9000: "This bundle is invalid. New apps and app updates
>> submitted to the App Store must be built with Xcode 5 and iOS 7 SDK." at
>> SoftwareAssets/SoftwareAsset (MZitmspSoftwareAssetPackage).
>>
>> I know that since 01-02-14 all apps and updates need to be build against
>> Xcode 5 and iOS7.
>> Could it be an error in LC?
>> Anyone else seeing this?
>>
>>
>> My setup is Mavericks 10.9.1, Xcode 5.02 and LC 6.5.2.
>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> William
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From endernafi at keehuna.com  Tue Feb  4 05:46:49 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcizade)
Date: 04 Feb 2014 12:46:49 +0200
Subject: Rotate IMG on IOS
In-Reply-To: <36BE86EE-63EA-4AE2-B037-7E87F573DB0D@westrac.com.au>
References: <36BE86EE-63EA-4AE2-B037-7E87F573DB0D@westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <D795F616-426C-4FB6-BF54-E4FFC2EC8217@keehuna.com>

*rotate* is a destructive command, it?s changing the binary data of images; one should be careful when using it even on the desktop.


For your question, you can use *set the angle of tImage to 90* format.




~ Ender
> On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Nakia Brewer <nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> Is there a way to rotate an image on mobile that is equivalent of the rotate command. Rotate doesn't state comparability with mobile in the dictionary..
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 


From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Tue Feb  4 05:48:21 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 10:48:21 +0000
Subject: Rotate IMG on IOS
In-Reply-To: <D795F616-426C-4FB6-BF54-E4FFC2EC8217@keehuna.com>
References: <36BE86EE-63EA-4AE2-B037-7E87F573DB0D@westrac.com.au>,
	<D795F616-426C-4FB6-BF54-E4FFC2EC8217@keehuna.com>
Message-ID: <FA265F19-FBBC-4F29-ACF4-C924857C8C16@westrac.com.au>

Perfect, thanks...

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Feb 2014, at 9:47 pm, "Ender Nafi Elekcizade" <endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:
> 
> *rotate* is a destructive command, it?s changing the binary data of images; one should be careful when using it even on the desktop.
> 
> For your question, you can use *set the angle of tImage to 90* format.
> 
> 
> ~ Ender
>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Nakia Brewer <nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a way to rotate an image on mobile that is equivalent of the rotate command. Rotate doesn't state comparability with mobile in the dictionary..
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 

COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From ben at runrev.com  Tue Feb  4 07:38:23 2014
From: ben at runrev.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 12:38:23 +0000
Subject: Sinds yesterday uploading app: Error ITMS-9000: Bundle invalid?
	Please read on ....
In-Reply-To: <CAHFYGn4aa3uuNKf+6hyQZUeg=F54Jxy-dgnqza_T96DH4jbcDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHFYGn7z1aAbQwraZJmQkeAu1sc4s_T++5k97MNx2M=HB2khPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F0C108.1000606@runrev.com>
	<CAHFYGn4aa3uuNKf+6hyQZUeg=F54Jxy-dgnqza_T96DH4jbcDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADd0_TztEYuY8aQ1cZ-ci50a-uDebmcfAf2RWCPGGjMq3d_dRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi William,

We've resolved the issue which is now awaiting build. The fix will come out
in our 6.5.3 maintenance release which we'll build this week.

Warm regards,

Ben


On 4 February 2014 10:43, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Neil,
>
> I just noticed that on the forum there is the same error given.
> I put mine there as well.
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=18998&p=95818#p95818
>
> I just submitted a bug report but this was the first time I did so I hope
> my contribution makes sense.
>
>
>
> groeten,
>
> William
>
>
> 2014-02-04 Neil Roger <neil at runrev.com>:
>
> > Hi William,
> >
> > Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
> >
> > If possible could you submit a bug report with RunRev Quality Control and
> > we will look into this asap.
> >
> > http://quality.runrev.com
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Neil Roger
> > --
> > RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > On 04/02/2014 10:15, William de Smet wrote:
> >
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> My app was finished yesterday and using the latest version of
> 'Application
> >> Loader' it gives the this error:
> >> ERROR ITMS - 9000: "This bundle is invalid. New apps and app updates
> >> submitted to the App Store must be built with Xcode 5 and iOS 7 SDK." at
> >> SoftwareAssets/SoftwareAsset (MZitmspSoftwareAssetPackage).
> >>
> >> I know that since 01-02-14 all apps and updates need to be build against
> >> Xcode 5 and iOS7.
> >> Could it be an error in LC?
> >> Anyone else seeing this?
> >>
> >>
> >> My setup is Mavericks 10.9.1, Xcode 5.02 and LC 6.5.2.
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> William
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
_____________________________________________

Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd

LiveCode Product Manager
mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
email : ben at runrev.com
company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23
fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487
web : www.runrev.com

LiveCode - Programming made simple


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb  4 10:42:59 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 07:42:59 -0800
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F10A83.9040805@fourthworld.com>

stephen barncard wrote:

> Not amusing to the look and feel people at Apple.
>
> the Icons are copied or very close. Not to mention about 20 other things.
> Can 'they' get away with this?

There have been Mac-like desktop environments for Linux for many years 
(never understood the attraction myself; I love OS X but only on a Mac, 
when I'm using Linux I want to use Linux).

MacBuntu is one of the more popular ones, noteworthy for being both a 
blatant rip-off of Apple's UI and also thumbing their nose the request 
from Canonical to reserve names ending in "buntu" for officially-support 
forks:
<http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Macbuntu?content=129021>

But historically the number of people using such DEs has been negligibly 
small.

While this would increase the number of people using a Mac-like UI on 
Linux, it's North Korea: if we're to believe the Western propaganda 
about their lifestyle, relatively few there have a computer at all, so 
at most it might double the number of such users.

Moreover, it's a rogue state beyond the influence of any international 
partners or laws.  Not even China's Xi Jinping can talk sense to Kim 
Jong-un;  I doubt Tim Cook could.

Looks like Apple have to rely on Dennis Rodman to settle this. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb  4 10:48:09 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 07:48:09 -0800
Subject: SoCal LiveCode User Group Meeting: Thursday
Message-ID: <52F10BB9.2030509@fourthworld.com>

Just a quick reminder about the upcoming meeting of the LiveCode User 
Group in Pasadena on Thursday at 7PM.

We're focusing that meeting on LiveCode Server, so everyone who brings a 
laptop set up with FTP access to their site can have LiveCode Server 
installed and running there.

Details in the forum:
<http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=18743>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 10:50:47 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 17:50:47 +0200
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <52F10A83.9040805@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F10A83.9040805@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <52F10C57.4030005@gmail.com>

On 04/02/14 17:42, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> Not amusing to the look and feel people at Apple.
>>
>> the Icons are copied or very close. Not to mention about 20 other 
>> things.
>> Can 'they' get away with this?
>
> There have been Mac-like desktop environments for Linux for many years 
> (never understood the attraction myself; I love OS X but only on a 
> Mac, when I'm using Linux I want to use Linux).
>
> MacBuntu is one of the more popular ones, noteworthy for being both a 
> blatant rip-off of Apple's UI and also thumbing their nose the request 
> from Canonical to reserve names ending in "buntu" for 
> officially-support forks:
> <http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Macbuntu?content=129021>
>
> But historically the number of people using such DEs has been 
> negligibly small.
>
> While this would increase the number of people using a Mac-like UI on 
> Linux, it's North Korea: if we're to believe the Western propaganda 
> about their lifestyle, relatively few there have a computer at all, so 
> at most it might double the number of such users.
>
> Moreover, it's a rogue state beyond the influence of any international 
> partners or laws.  Not even China's Xi Jinping can talk sense to Kim 
> Jong-un;  I doubt Tim Cook could.
>
> Looks like Apple have to rely on Dennis Rodman to settle this. :)

I suspect this problem, and a whole lot more important ones, will be 
settled by South Korea in due course.

Richmond.

>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Feb  4 12:51:21 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (prothero at earthednet.org)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 09:51:21 -0800
Subject: I find this very odd
In-Reply-To: <1CB3648A-73A4-4CAF-9D50-F1099A7CBC7C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CANbzFDoY+eiM1SxFzC3aW5v=9uQ4=dWkQyqyeZC2h2UYLF01-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<4BA4B48C-9C75-4121-BEB8-424E00226CC1@earthednet.org>
	<1CB3648A-73A4-4CAF-9D50-F1099A7CBC7C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <6A93BEF2-664B-4AE9-B60F-996A70314EEE@earthednet.org>

It must have been a typo. I just re-checked it and it does, in fact, transfer the entire array to a new variable.
Regards,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org



On Feb 3, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> There has to be a typo. Did you copy paste the *actual* code, or did you retype it into the email?
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Feb 2, 2014, at 17:27 , prothero at earthednet.org wrote:
> 
>> Folks:
>> 
>> I am using LiveCode 6.5.1 and I find the following behavior very odd.
>> 
>> I am working with datagrids and have the dgData of a datagrid, which is a normal array.
>> 
>> put the dgData of group "DataGrid 3" into myDatagridArray
>> 
>> Then I do:
>> put myDatagridArray into newArray
>> 
>> What's then in newArray is "myDataGridArray", just the text name of the array.
>> 
>> This seems an odd behavior to me. Can't one just set one array to another array?
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 16:48:53 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:48:53 +1100
Subject: of possible Android interest
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <DF9E3945-EF48-4D00-A03A-58930F8F6D5C@gmail.com>

It's now at $100. Maybe it was a mistake? I've not heard from them so I'm assuming I'm still getting mine at the $20 price :)

Gerry

Sent from my iPad

> On 4 Feb 2014, at 11:27 am, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> This came up at work today. Not sure what to make of it, but it's sure hard
> to beat that price point.
> 
> Beidou LA-I2 4.0" Capacitive TFT Screen Android 4.0.4 Dual-Core Qualcomm
> 8225 1.2GHz 3G Smartphone with Wi-Fi, GPS, 5.0MP Camera (512MB RAM & 4GB
> ROM) (White)
> 
> <http://www.focalprice.com/MH0618W/Beidou_LA_I2_4.0_Capacitive_TFT_Screen_Android_4.0.4_Dual_Core_Qualcomm_8225.html>
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Tue Feb  4 17:18:15 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:18:15 -0500
Subject: of possible Android interest
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXO4wE9M7-avXHRgO1nmDCuWSN3A5QX63DeZR3HYWVehFQ@mail.gmail.com>

This one has much better specifications:  $76.99 & free shipping

Most notable specs:

   - Memory: 4 GB ROM, 1 GB RAM
   - Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean)
   - 5.0 MP rear-facing camera
   - MicroSD slot for expandable storage up to 32 GB
   - Bluetooth 4.0
   - Wi-Fi Version(s): 802.11 a,b,g,n


http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Victory-Prepaid-Android/dp/B00B9K6TK0/

~Roger


On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> This came up at work today. Not sure what to make of it, but it's sure hard
> to beat that price point.
>
> Beidou LA-I2 4.0" Capacitive TFT Screen Android 4.0.4 Dual-Core Qualcomm
> 8225 1.2GHz 3G Smartphone with Wi-Fi, GPS, 5.0MP Camera (512MB RAM & 4GB
> ROM) (White)
>
> <
> http://www.focalprice.com/MH0618W/Beidou_LA_I2_4.0_Capacitive_TFT_Screen_Android_4.0.4_Dual_Core_Qualcomm_8225.html
> >
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Tue Feb  4 17:24:37 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:24:37 -0500
Subject: of possible Android interest
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXO4wE9M7-avXHRgO1nmDCuWSN3A5QX63DeZR3HYWVehFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
	<CAAT6EXO4wE9M7-avXHRgO1nmDCuWSN3A5QX63DeZR3HYWVehFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXP3aa8_hMC9BWJqH2sp8A05vZOmUEXRDOJ2FNvizw-oDg@mail.gmail.com>

LOL  I totally missed that it was going for $20.

~Roger


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>wrote:

> This one has much better specifications:  $76.99 & free shipping
>
> Most notable specs:
>
>    - Memory: 4 GB ROM, 1 GB RAM
>    - Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean)
>    - 5.0 MP rear-facing camera
>    - MicroSD slot for expandable storage up to 32 GB
>    - Bluetooth 4.0
>    - Wi-Fi Version(s): 802.11 a,b,g,n
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Victory-Prepaid-Android/dp/B00B9K6TK0/
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>wrote:
>
>> This came up at work today. Not sure what to make of it, but it's sure
>> hard
>> to beat that price point.
>>
>> Beidou LA-I2 4.0" Capacitive TFT Screen Android 4.0.4 Dual-Core Qualcomm
>> 8225 1.2GHz 3G Smartphone with Wi-Fi, GPS, 5.0MP Camera (512MB RAM & 4GB
>> ROM) (White)
>>
>> <
>> http://www.focalprice.com/MH0618W/Beidou_LA_I2_4.0_Capacitive_TFT_Screen_Android_4.0.4_Dual_Core_Qualcomm_8225.html
>> >
>>
>> --
>>  Mark Wieder
>>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>


From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 18:24:53 2014
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 15:24:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: of possible Android interest
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1391556293570-4675467.post@n4.nabble.com>

Interesting enough, just wondering
if you know the answer:

How could they offer such low prices?

a) No manufacturer warranty (or just 1 month)
b) Using sub-standard (or discarded) electronic components
c) Dumping tactics from manufacturers
d) All previous choices
e) None of previous choices
f) Other... __________________-





--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/of-possible-Android-interest-tp4675444p4675467.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Tue Feb  4 20:38:19 2014
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 20:38:19 -0500
Subject: of possible Android interest
In-Reply-To: <DF9E3945-EF48-4D00-A03A-58930F8F6D5C@gmail.com>
References: <loom.20140204T012603-45@post.gmane.org>
	<DF9E3945-EF48-4D00-A03A-58930F8F6D5C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008b01cf2212$f2bea5d0$d83bf170$@net>

I went to order and it went from $20 to $100 before my eyes.

Whaaa.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Gerry
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 4:49 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: of possible Android interest

It's now at $100. Maybe it was a mistake? I've not heard from them so I'm
assuming I'm still getting mine at the $20 price :)

Gerry

Sent from my iPad

> On 4 Feb 2014, at 11:27 am, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> This came up at work today. Not sure what to make of it, but it's sure 
> hard to beat that price point.
> 
> Beidou LA-I2 4.0" Capacitive TFT Screen Android 4.0.4 Dual-Core 
> Qualcomm
> 8225 1.2GHz 3G Smartphone with Wi-Fi, GPS, 5.0MP Camera (512MB RAM & 
> 4GB
> ROM) (White)
> 
> <http://www.focalprice.com/MH0618W/Beidou_LA_I2_4.0_Capacitive_TFT_Scr
> een_Android_4.0.4_Dual_Core_Qualcomm_8225.html>
> 
> --
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  4 20:36:44 2014
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 17:36:44 -0800
Subject: Extracting emails from mac mail
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1391511602.23630.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1391511602.23630.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6A5FCAED-6BC9-47E3-B745-7EF46EB3BC43@sbcglobal.net>

I seem to recall that it was possible to extract the text from MAC Mail Mail boxes.

Am I dreaming?

Jim Hurley






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb  4 20:49:42 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2014 17:49:42 -0800
Subject: Extracting emails from mac mail
In-Reply-To: <6A5FCAED-6BC9-47E3-B745-7EF46EB3BC43@sbcglobal.net>
References: <6A5FCAED-6BC9-47E3-B745-7EF46EB3BC43@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <52F198B6.4080103@fourthworld.com>

Jim Hurley wrote:

> I seem to recall that it was possible to extract the text from MAC Mail Mail boxes.
>
> Am I dreaming?

The format seems simple enough:
<http://mike.laiosa.org/2009/03/01/emlx.html>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From james at thehales.id.au  Tue Feb  4 21:09:58 2014
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:09:58 +1100
Subject: rTree V2.03 requires tree to be visible to be constructed?
Message-ID: <E8EB791B-FC87-4AD8-B45E-BCF0D917CAE7@thehales.id.au>

I think I have successfully upgraded my app from using rTree V1 to rTree V2.03.
I documented my method in the forum.
I am asking this question here as Mats doesn't seem to respond to any forum posts of late.

After my upgrade I launch my app and rTree throws an error from its "callibratescrollbar" handler.
Going through it, it seems as if it doesn't see the node data and ends up getting a divide by zero error.

Now the wierd thing is that if I cancel out of the debugger and then call the routine from the message box it works, I don't get the error and the tree is displayed, but only if I am showing the tree at the time.

In rTree v1 I constructed the tree in a stack loaded into memory but not actually open.
This worked fine. On app launch the tree was constructed. Once the app was launched I could then display the tree (located in a substack) as a drawer (yes I am on a Mac).

It seems that rTree V2 doesn't like this and expects the stack to be open in order to work.
It gives an error as mentioned. If I then open the stack (drawer) with the tree it shows an empty tree. I then call the tree population handler and the tree populates.

Has anyone else come across this?

James




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Feb  4 21:28:22 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 21:28:22 -0500
Subject: repeating string
Message-ID: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>

There isn't a repeating string function/keyword/construct, right?

put 30 spaces into a or
put space * 30 into a

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb  4 21:39:09 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 03:39:09 +0100
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>

Mike,

set the itemDel to space
put space into item 30 of mySpaces

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/5/2014 03:28, Mike Kerner wrote:
> There isn't a repeating string function/keyword/construct, right?
>
> put 30 spaces into a or
> put space * 30 into a
>



From kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  4 21:43:18 2014
From: kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net (Kathy Jaqua)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 18:43:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Window menuItem script
Message-ID: <1391568198.8566.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>



Hi runrevers

Could someone please help me with a somewhat simple script:)

I need to finish my MenuItems and need the script for "Window".?
Since I am dealing with both standalone applications and liveCode Stacks,
I need to list both groups that is to say:
A. a list of the open Applications and
B. a list of the open Stacks

Also, when an App or Stack is selected from this menuItem "Window"
I need?that listed Item when selected to be opened.

I would be very grateful.
Kathy Graves Jaqua
A Wildest Dream Software

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Feb  4 22:14:36 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:14:36 -0500
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>

<blink, blink, pregnant pause/>
That's clever.  It would be item 29, but that hardly matters.  What's even
more interesting about that is that
put space into word 29 of mySpaces
 will give me a string that's 1 character long.


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> set the itemDel to space
> put space into item 30 of mySpaces
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour
> spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
>
> On 2/5/2014 03:28, Mike Kerner wrote:
>
>> There isn't a repeating string function/keyword/construct, right?
>>
>> put 30 spaces into a or
>> put space * 30 into a
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Feb  4 22:18:24 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:18:24 -0500
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <52F10C57.4030005@gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F10A83.9040805@fourthworld.com> <52F10C57.4030005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycP9WQ8sX+TJ=fbrGHV1KDLLAcGhW3HS1Ae1W1m6nr6=Pg@mail.gmail.com>

<golf clap/>


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 04/02/14 17:42, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> stephen barncard wrote:
>>
>>  Not amusing to the look and feel people at Apple.
>>>
>>> the Icons are copied or very close. Not to mention about 20 other things.
>>> Can 'they' get away with this?
>>>
>>
>> There have been Mac-like desktop environments for Linux for many years
>> (never understood the attraction myself; I love OS X but only on a Mac,
>> when I'm using Linux I want to use Linux).
>>
>> MacBuntu is one of the more popular ones, noteworthy for being both a
>> blatant rip-off of Apple's UI and also thumbing their nose the request from
>> Canonical to reserve names ending in "buntu" for officially-support forks:
>> <http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Macbuntu?content=129021>
>>
>> But historically the number of people using such DEs has been negligibly
>> small.
>>
>> While this would increase the number of people using a Mac-like UI on
>> Linux, it's North Korea: if we're to believe the Western propaganda about
>> their lifestyle, relatively few there have a computer at all, so at most it
>> might double the number of such users.
>>
>> Moreover, it's a rogue state beyond the influence of any international
>> partners or laws.  Not even China's Xi Jinping can talk sense to Kim
>> Jong-un;  I doubt Tim Cook could.
>>
>> Looks like Apple have to rely on Dennis Rodman to settle this. :)
>>
>
> I suspect this problem, and a whole lot more important ones, will be
> settled by South Korea in due course.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World
>>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>>  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Feb  4 23:51:44 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 23:51:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D0F0451A5CF12C-B80-6D0B@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com>

Mark's offering was cute alright, but would be hard to implement the way i think you wanted, (pseudoCode)


put (X repeat 5) after char 3 of "ABCDE" to yield "ABCXXXXXDE"


You could always make a function like:


put dupChar("X",5) after char 3 of yourArgument



function dupChar tChar,dupValue
  repeat dupValue
  put tChar after temp
  end repeat
  return temp
end dupChar


But I bet you knew all this.


Craig Newman




-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: repeating string


<blink, blink, pregnant pause/>
That's clever.  It would be item 29, but that hardly matters.  What's even
more interesting about that is that
put space into word 29 of mySpaces
 will give me a string that's 1 character long.


On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> set the itemDel to space
> put space into item 30 of mySpaces
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour
> spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
>
> On 2/5/2014 03:28, Mike Kerner wrote:
>
>> There isn't a repeating string function/keyword/construct, right?
>>
>> put 30 spaces into a or
>> put space * 30 into a
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From dunbarx at aol.com  Wed Feb  5 00:02:53 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 00:02:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Window menuItem script
In-Reply-To: <1391568198.8566.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1391568198.8566.YahooMailNeo@web181003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8D0F046A8CE394C-B80-6D67@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com>

Hi.


By "window" do you mean something like an option Menu or combo box? These are buttons, of course.


But if so, they are also containers, and can be populated by simply placing a return delimited list of text into them. In this way you could place the "openstacks" , say, into such a control and navigate to the stack selected.


As for the open applications, I am not sure, but there must be a similar function like "the openfiles". Someone will chime in.


Craig Newman 



-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Jaqua <kgjaqua1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2014 9:46 pm
Subject: Window menuItem script




Hi runrevers

Could someone please help me with a somewhat simple script:)

I need to finish my MenuItems and need the script for "Window". 
Since I am dealing with both standalone applications and liveCode Stacks,
I need to list both groups that is to say:
A. a list of the open Applications and
B. a list of the open Stacks

Also, when an App or Stack is selected from this menuItem "Window"
I need that listed Item when selected to be opened.

I would be very grateful.
Kathy Graves Jaqua
A Wildest Dream Software
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From james at thehales.id.au  Wed Feb  5 00:31:47 2014
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 16:31:47 +1100
Subject: Raw key events in an rTree
Message-ID: <BFAC51D5-48BA-4B6B-B44A-2EBC3D30AFFE@thehales.id.au>

In a V1 rTree one could assign the focus to the rTree and then respond to arrow keys (on the keyboard) and move around the tree.

V2 of rTree is now a "group"rather than a control and the focus command no longer wants to work, telling me the object is of an invalid type.
I tried focussing on the background field within the rTree group but this didn't work.

Ideas?

James


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb  5 03:07:20 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:07:20 +0200
Subject: [OT] Haiku
Message-ID: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>

It seems that Haiku (a.k.a. BeOS rediviva) has bitten the dust:

http://haiku-os.org/

A greta pity.

Richmond.



From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Feb  5 04:07:09 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 09:07:09 +0000
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <8D0F0451A5CF12C-B80-6D0B@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D0F0451A5CF12C-B80-6D0B@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <52F1FF3D.9070103@tweedly.net>

How about

put format("%30s", " ") into a

-- Alex.

On 2/5/2014 03:28, Mike Kerner wrote:
>>> There isn't a repeating string function/keyword/construct, right?
>>>
>>> put 30 spaces into a or
>>> put space * 30 into a
>>>
>>>
>>




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb  5 04:38:59 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 10:38:59 +0100
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Mike,

Into item 29 gives you a string of 29 chars, after 29 makes a string of 
30 chars, into item 30 gives a string of 30 chars.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/5/2014 04:14, Mike Kerner wrote:
> <blink, blink, pregnant pause/>
> That's clever.  It would be item 29, but that hardly matters.  What's even
> more interesting about that is that
> put space into word 29 of mySpaces
>   will give me a string that's 1 character long.
>




From dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com  Wed Feb  5 07:00:32 2014
From: dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com (Dirk prive)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:00:32 +0100
Subject: [OT] Haiku
In-Reply-To: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>
References: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD3H57ZpwRmEHRxXdE5=X3pw3ojUCJnmaBK+6-8uGDMEtf2B3A@mail.gmail.com>

Not completely.
https://dev.haiku-os.org/
https://github.com/haiku/haiku

But yes, it looks like another casualty. Sad. It booted my netbook in under
10 seconds, but I couldn't use it due to lack of up to date software.
I was hoping they could make it work. I guess losing Google's support for
the Summer of code, might have done them in.

Dirk Cleenwerck



On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> It seems that Haiku (a.k.a. BeOS rediviva) has bitten the dust:
>
> http://haiku-os.org/
>
> A greta pity.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com  Wed Feb  5 08:13:49 2014
From: mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com (Mats Wilstrand)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:13:49 +0100
Subject: rTree V2.03 requires tree to be visible to be constructed?
Message-ID: <02b101cf2274$1c592a30$550b7e90$@tapirsoft.com>

Hi James!

First I want to apologize for not responding to your posts in the Forums!
I'm not receiving mail reminders from watched topics in the forums any more.
It is not an excuse as I should have checked the forums now and then even
without the email reminders! Anyhow I have reported this to Heather now.

Thank you very, very much for sharing your upgrade method! This is a
wonderful community! Your description is spot on and the only thing I could
add is that there is an "import" function available in rTree v2 that can be
used to import and convert existing data from a version 1 rTree control into
a version 2. The import function is available from the right click menu -
"Build Tree From -> Older rTree Format". What it does is it converts the
Tree and Node properties of the old rTree control into the new array format
of rTree 2. This can be useful if your tree is not built entirely built by
script, for example if the tree has been built using the right click menus.

About your issues with rTree I will have a look at this and get back to you.
What version LC are you using?

With my best regards

Mats




From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Feb  5 09:59:53 2014
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 06:59:53 -0800
Subject: SoCal LiveCode User Group Meeting: Thursday
In-Reply-To: <52F10BB9.2030509@fourthworld.com>
References: <52F10BB9.2030509@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CEA11AAF-2156-4B63-994F-3DE250EBF248@mac.com>

I?m looking forward to seeing everyone there tomorrow.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.
lcTaskList: (http://www.infowallet.com/lctasklist/index.htm)
RunRev lcTaskList Forum: (http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=61)

On Feb 4, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Just a quick reminder about the upcoming meeting of the LiveCode User Group in Pasadena on Thursday at 7PM.
> 
> We're focusing that meeting on LiveCode Server, so everyone who brings a laptop set up with FTP access to their site can have LiveCode Server installed and running there.
> 
> Details in the forum:
> <http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=18743>
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb  5 10:06:05 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 10:06:05 -0500
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,
I must have screwed something up the first time, because I wound up with
31, even though I expected 30.  When I just tested it, it came out at 30.

Alex's idea is also clever, but what if I am trying to repeat another
character, like "#"?


I was trying to avoid the solution Craig suggested by using a built-in
construct, which made me think that we should have something like

put 30 "a" into goop, but that is a recipe for failure, and
put 30 "a"'s into goop is almost unreadable


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Into item 29 gives you a string of 29 chars, after 29 makes a string of 30
> chars, into item 30 gives a string of 30 chars.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour
> spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
> On 2/5/2014 04:14, Mike Kerner wrote:
>
>> <blink, blink, pregnant pause/>
>> That's clever.  It would be item 29, but that hardly matters.  What's even
>> more interesting about that is that
>> put space into word 29 of mySpaces
>>   will give me a string that's 1 character long.
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Feb  5 11:00:49 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:00:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1391616049923-4675487.post@n4.nabble.com>

Mike Kerner wrote
> I was trying to avoid the solution Craig suggested 

Why do you want to avoid it? Making a function to do the job seems the best
way to me!



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/repeating-string-tp4675472p4675487.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb  5 11:16:26 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 11:16:26 -0500
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <1391616049923-4675487.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1391616049923-4675487.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMfAthoPXbw+G64SWkUzZ7SxD75YYpB72XoE+w7ii3S4A@mail.gmail.com>

because if it's part of the language, and my vocabulary improves, then I
have less crap to move into my libraries, and I would feel a lot less
foolish if I discover such a thing later.  Even worse, when I throw a kluge
into a project, and I can't find it, later, when I need it again, I end up
reinventing the wheel each time, and maybe I remember to use the same
vernacular, and maybe I don't, in which case I end up biffing myself,
sometimes, by using different names in those different projects - synonyms
can suck when the parser isn't insightful.



On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>wrote:

> Mike Kerner wrote
> > I was trying to avoid the solution Craig suggested
>
> Why do you want to avoid it? Making a function to do the job seems the best
> way to me!
>
>
>
> -----
> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust
> upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/repeating-string-tp4675472p4675487.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Feb  5 11:24:16 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 16:24:16 +0000
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F265B0.2030505@tweedly.net>

On 05/02/2014 15:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
> Alex's idea is also clever, but what if I am trying to repeat another
> character, like "#"?
>
>

put replacetext( format("%30s", " "), " ", "x") into myVar

(no promises for being the speediest solution - but still one line and 
no library involved).
-- Alex.



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb  5 12:50:29 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:50:29 -0500
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <52F265B0.2030505@tweedly.net>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F265B0.2030505@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPOy5S73DhAK51MLKZs9sNS=vHxafB8quamfjHRQ+ad6w@mail.gmail.com>

nice.


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> On 05/02/2014 15:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>
>> Alex's idea is also clever, but what if I am trying to repeat another
>> character, like "#"?
>>
>>
>>
> put replacetext( format("%30s", " "), " ", "x") into myVar
>
> (no promises for being the speediest solution - but still one line and no
> library involved).
> -- Alex.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb  5 12:51:07 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:51:07 -0500
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPOy5S73DhAK51MLKZs9sNS=vHxafB8quamfjHRQ+ad6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F265B0.2030505@tweedly.net>
	<CADCoycPOy5S73DhAK51MLKZs9sNS=vHxafB8quamfjHRQ+ad6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycM_82SYdrPCgTK3mu+yn5Tu99qn1sJjqA9dNVOvJvRMNw@mail.gmail.com>

don't get me wrong, I hate it, because it's c and I can't just stare at it
and know that %30s means pad the front with spaces, but nice.


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> nice.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>
>> On 05/02/2014 15:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>>
>>> Alex's idea is also clever, but what if I am trying to repeat another
>>> character, like "#"?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> put replacetext( format("%30s", " "), " ", "x") into myVar
>>
>> (no promises for being the speediest solution - but still one line and no
>> library involved).
>> -- Alex.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Feb  5 14:10:42 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 11:10:42 -0800
Subject: referring to a file on the local network by name?
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEDuiOACSYADHW=82p8_C7K7vpKBG9gjCjoPTCk95OMAg@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a "clean" way to refer to a shared file on another machine by name?

For example, on mac, the file central.local:/Users/joe/joesfile.txt

could end up in /Volumes/joe/joesfile.txt, or /Volumes/joe-1/joesfile.txt,
depending upon how many times the connection had been made.

I can see hacky ways to parse the contents of volumes, but it would be nice
to just be able to do things like

   put theList into url "file:central.local:/Users/joe/joesfile.txt"

or some such.

The context is that the client files and output should land on the server,
not the local machine.

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Feb  5 14:11:57 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 11:11:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMfAthoPXbw+G64SWkUzZ7SxD75YYpB72XoE+w7ii3S4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1391616049923-4675487.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CADCoycMfAthoPXbw+G64SWkUzZ7SxD75YYpB72XoE+w7ii3S4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1391627517869-4675493.post@n4.nabble.com>

Mike Kerner wrote
> because if it's part of the language, and my vocabulary improves, then I
> have less crap to move into my libraries, and I would feel a lot less
> foolish if I discover such a thing later.  Even worse, when I throw a
> kluge
> into a project, and I can't find it, later, when I need it again, I end up
> reinventing the wheel each time, and maybe I remember to use the same
> vernacular, and maybe I don't, in which case I end up biffing myself,
> sometimes, by using different names in those different projects - synonyms
> can suck when the parser isn't insightful.

Ah yes, I'm also quite good at "biffing myself" :)



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/repeating-string-tp4675472p4675493.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Feb  5 17:53:46 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:53:46 +0000
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycM_82SYdrPCgTK3mu+yn5Tu99qn1sJjqA9dNVOvJvRMNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>	<52F265B0.2030505@tweedly.net>	<CADCoycPOy5S73DhAK51MLKZs9sNS=vHxafB8quamfjHRQ+ad6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycM_82SYdrPCgTK3mu+yn5Tu99qn1sJjqA9dNVOvJvRMNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F2C0FA.8040804@tweedly.net>

I absolutely agree. I have a function in my personal "standard library" 
that does (something close to) this, and I would never consider 
replacing that with this C-like code; I wrote C for a living for too 
many years already, thanks.

But as an answer to the request (i.e. native LC, not a function), it's 
the best I can do :-)

-- Alex.

On 05/02/2014 17:51, Mike Kerner wrote:
> don't get me wrong, I hate it, because it's c and I can't just stare at it
> and know that %30s means pad the front with spaces, but nice.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
>> nice.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/02/2014 15:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alex's idea is also clever, but what if I am trying to repeat another
>>>> character, like "#"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> put replacetext( format("%30s", " "), " ", "x") into myVar
>>>
>>> (no promises for being the speediest solution - but still one line and no
>>> library involved).
>>> -- Alex.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>     and did a little diving.
>> And God said, "This is good."
>>
>
>




From james at thehales.id.au  Wed Feb  5 19:35:58 2014
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 11:35:58 +1100
Subject: rTree questions
Message-ID: <24968439-ABD6-41F7-9800-CE71CCB7D29E@thehales.id.au>

Hi all,
All but one of my rTree issues are now resolved. The details are over in the rTree forum where Mats has resurfaced.
If you are interested the post is http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=17623
I will continue the discussion there.
Thanks for listening :-)

James


From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Feb  5 19:55:25 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 16:55:25 -0800
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <52F2C0FA.8040804@tweedly.net>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F265B0.2030505@tweedly.net>
	<CADCoycPOy5S73DhAK51MLKZs9sNS=vHxafB8quamfjHRQ+ad6w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycM_82SYdrPCgTK3mu+yn5Tu99qn1sJjqA9dNVOvJvRMNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F2C0FA.8040804@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eM-7yzy8a5+Qv1Sdinc3KY6_teG6do0OFmxLoJXe2NFPA@mail.gmail.com>

This would be a useful command in LC.  I'd like to see a "strip
leading/trailing" command to.  I usually do that with a regExp but like the
solution to this problem, it's not the most readable thing in the world.

Sounds like it might be worth a post to the Open Source forum.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> I absolutely agree. I have a function in my personal "standard library"
> that does (something close to) this, and I would never consider replacing
> that with this C-like code; I wrote C for a living for too many years
> already, thanks.
>
> But as an answer to the request (i.e. native LC, not a function), it's the
> best I can do :-)
>
> -- Alex.
>
> On 05/02/2014 17:51, Mike Kerner wrote:
>
>> don't get me wrong, I hate it, because it's c and I can't just stare at it
>> and know that %30s means pad the front with spaces, but nice.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  nice.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 05/02/2014 15:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Alex's idea is also clever, but what if I am trying to repeat another
>>>>> character, like "#"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  put replacetext( format("%30s", " "), " ", "x") into myVar
>>>>
>>>> (no promises for being the speediest solution - but still one line and
>>>> no
>>>> library involved).
>>>> -- Alex.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>>> On the second day, God created the oceans.
>>> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>>>     and did a little diving.
>>> And God said, "This is good."
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb  5 21:01:25 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 03:01:25 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Installer Maker 1.8.2
Message-ID: <52F2ECF5.1070009@economy-x-talk.com>

Hello,

A new version of the Installer Maker Plug-in for LiveCode has been 
released. This version contains a new feature requested by many.

Installer Maker 1.8.2 allows for saving all settings in a profile. This 
profile can later be read from disk and re-used for your project again. 
This way, you don't need to re-enter all settings and options every time 
you make your installer. You do need to import your new files. 
Additionally, it is no longer possible to accidentally associate the 
.exe file extension with your executable.

Today, we're releasing the plug-in version only. The standalone version 
of Installer Maker for LiveCode will be available within a few days. The 
plug-in can only be used with LiveCode 4.5 - 5.x and the commercial 
version of LiveCode 6 and later.

Once in a while, we receive a feature request, bug report or other 
comments. If you decide to send an e-mail about Installer Maker, please 
include extensive descriptions of the features you request or the bugs 
you encounter with pictures and other relevant files.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Feb  5 13:24:15 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 13:24:15 -0500
Subject: How to Reset ID's of Controls
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52e759c4.6b8b4567.110b@fdbqMacBookPro.local>
References: <etPan.52e60295.2eb141f2.4acf@fdbqMacBookPro.local>
	<185538292006.20140126230154@ahsoftware.net>
	<etPan.52e6084d.1190cde7.4acf@fdbqMacBookPro.local>
	<etPan.52e63333.6b8b4567.1b9@fdbqMacBookPro.local>
	<loom.20140128T004635-482@post.gmane.org>
	<CAFmQfHLx6ZHVQwpMStijOPXh7w+xAoWcc=g0F0kRvgS11-G45A@mail.gmail.com>
	<etPan.52e759c4.6b8b4567.110b@fdbqMacBookPro.local>
Message-ID: <BDF70CEF-E738-4F94-B9A6-838C6D43117F@gmail.com>

On Jan 28, 2014, at 2:18 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:

<snip>
> Mark:
> "> I have tens of cards, each one has hundreds of controls 
>> and I create those controls on each time the user navigates to those cards.
> 
> Why? When I need to do something like that I will most likely show/hide
> groups of controls rather than copying them or making them from scratch.
> That way you don't have to be concerned about the id pool, as nothing is
> being created or destroyed."
> 
> Stephen:
> "not to mention it would take more computing time to create and display 
> rather than show and hide."
> 
> 
> Ok, I'm open to new ideas here.
> This is a news app, so the content change dynamically.
> Which controls should I show/hide?
> I don't know beforehand how many images/fields my app will need.
> Every minute or so, a new content arrives 
> and I have to create a new group {thumbnail, header, summary} for it.
> 
> Is this a wrong approach, am I mistaking?

What is the max number of buttons that you would be likely to need? Take that number, increase by 50%, and create that number of buttons. Then show/hide them as needed, relabeling and/or renaming them if necessary.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb  5 21:42:36 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 02:42:36 +0000
Subject: Extracting emails from mac mail
In-Reply-To: <6A5FCAED-6BC9-47E3-B745-7EF46EB3BC43@sbcglobal.net>
References: <mailman.1.1391511602.23630.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<6A5FCAED-6BC9-47E3-B745-7EF46EB3BC43@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <0883DE9C-E7D1-4384-A548-347429F831B7@iotecdigital.com>

An Applescript would probably do it. Barring that, each email is stored as a discreet file in the operating system, so given you know where that file resides, and you have permission to view it, you should be able to open them as a low level file and read them. (I?ve not attempted this so take that with a grain of salt). 

The trouble is, the actual email files are a bit scattered around the /Users/<yourprofile>/Library/Mail folder. Even once you get into the folder for a specific account, they can be in a number of folders, depending on what version of mail you run and how you connected etc. 

You would have to write (or purchase from another LC developer) some kind of path crawler to find them all, and then you would need a way to save which emails you have already processed. Not a minor project it seems. 

So I would poke around the internet first and see if someone has already written an Applescript for perusing the Apple Mail database/store. 

Bob


On Feb 4, 2014, at 17:36 , Jim Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I seem to recall that it was possible to extract the text from MAC Mail Mail boxes.
> 
> Am I dreaming?
> 
> Jim Hurley
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb  5 21:46:51 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 02:46:51 +0000
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>

I?ve come up with a saying some years ago. Anything is constitutional that no man is willing to resist. Nothing is constitutional that no man is willing to defend. (Substitute ?constitutional for whatever instrument of law your particular country subscribes to). 

Bob


On Feb 3, 2014, at 19:18 , stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> Not amusing to the look and feel people at Apple.
> 
> the Icons are copied or very close. Not to mention about 20 other things.
> Can 'they' get away with this?
> 
> sqb
> 
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>wrote:
> 
>> It has a strong resemblance to the Pear Linux distro, which does a fine job
>> of being Mac-like as well.
>> 
>> At 7:10 in the video below, the "star" is probably just a coincidence,
>> so... yeah...
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HAZTHK869A
>> 
>> ~Roger
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Especially if you would like it to be more Windows or OSX like:
>>> 
>>> 
>> http://www.northkoreatech.org/2014/01/31/north-koreas-red-star-os-goes-mac/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb  5 21:48:46 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 02:48:46 +0000
Subject: [OT] Haiku
In-Reply-To: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>
References: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0582BB00-9ABE-4368-88EB-8DDDA7C8608C@iotecdigital.com>

And to think that Apple was seriously considering using BeOS as it?s next generation OS at one time. 

Bob


On Feb 5, 2014, at 24:07 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> It seems that Haiku (a.k.a. BeOS rediviva) has bitten the dust:
> 
> http://haiku-os.org/
> 
> A greta pity.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb  5 21:50:07 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 02:50:07 +0000
Subject: SoCal LiveCode User Group Meeting: Thursday
In-Reply-To: <52F10BB9.2030509@fourthworld.com>
References: <52F10BB9.2030509@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <867ACE26-C725-48D0-9186-B642AFAA5C59@iotecdigital.com>

Oh Dayam! I?m in! Never been so looking forward to meeting all the geniuses!

Bob


On Feb 4, 2014, at 07:48 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Just a quick reminder about the upcoming meeting of the LiveCode User Group in Pasadena on Thursday at 7PM.
> 
> We're focusing that meeting on LiveCode Server, so everyone who brings a laptop set up with FTP access to their site can have LiveCode Server installed and running there.
> 
> Details in the forum:
> <http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=18743>
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb  5 21:52:54 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 02:52:54 +0000
Subject: referring to a file on the local network by name?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEDuiOACSYADHW=82p8_C7K7vpKBG9gjCjoPTCk95OMAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEDuiOACSYADHW=82p8_C7K7vpKBG9gjCjoPTCk95OMAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <081DF7D0-CCD4-4123-8833-758D705B8942@iotecdigital.com>

hmmm? can you not use something like smb://sharepoint/subfolder/subfolder2 etc? Apple uses AFP in place of SMB. 

Bob


On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:10 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a "clean" way to refer to a shared file on another machine by name?
> 
> For example, on mac, the file central.local:/Users/joe/joesfile.txt
> 
> could end up in /Volumes/joe/joesfile.txt, or /Volumes/joe-1/joesfile.txt,
> depending upon how many times the connection had been made.
> 
> I can see hacky ways to parse the contents of volumes, but it would be nice
> to just be able to do things like
> 
>   put theList into url "file:central.local:/Users/joe/joesfile.txt"
> 
> or some such.
> 
> The context is that the client files and output should land on the server,
> not the local machine.
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb  5 22:00:09 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 03:00:09 +0000
Subject: referring to a file on the local network by name?
In-Reply-To: <081DF7D0-CCD4-4123-8833-758D705B8942@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CANQHZSEDuiOACSYADHW=82p8_C7K7vpKBG9gjCjoPTCk95OMAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<081DF7D0-CCD4-4123-8833-758D705B8942@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1D21E721-10FD-4F6B-A4BA-A6195823DC0B@iotecdigital.com>

never mind I just tried it. No workie. It should though.

Bob


On Feb 5, 2014, at 18:52 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> hmmm? can you not use something like smb://sharepoint/subfolder/subfolder2 etc? Apple uses AFP in place of SMB. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:10 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Is there a "clean" way to refer to a shared file on another machine by name?
>> 
>> For example, on mac, the file central.local:/Users/joe/joesfile.txt
>> 
>> could end up in /Volumes/joe/joesfile.txt, or /Volumes/joe-1/joesfile.txt,
>> depending upon how many times the connection had been made.
>> 
>> I can see hacky ways to parse the contents of volumes, but it would be nice
>> to just be able to do things like
>> 
>>  put theList into url "file:central.local:/Users/joe/joesfile.txt"
>> 
>> or some such.
>> 
>> The context is that the client files and output should land on the server,
>> not the local machine.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
>> (702) 508-8462
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb  5 22:01:44 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 19:01:44 -0800
Subject: SoCal LiveCode User Group Meeting: Thursday
In-Reply-To: <867ACE26-C725-48D0-9186-B642AFAA5C59@iotecdigital.com>
References: <867ACE26-C725-48D0-9186-B642AFAA5C59@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <52F2FB18.7060803@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Oh Dayam! I?m in! Never been so looking forward to meeting all the geniuses!

Well, Kevin can't make it to this meeting, so you'll have to deal with 
the sub-geniuses. :)

But it'll be great to see you if you can make it.  If you haven't set up 
LiveCode Server on your server yet, I've promised to not go home until 
everyone who wants that gets it.

All you have to do is bring a laptop with FTP access to your server set 
up, and I'll have LiveCode Server on a thumb drive with a test script 
and an .htaccess file - we'll put those in place and if I'm lucky enough 
to go home at the end of the night you'll have LiveCode Server running 
well on your host.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb  5 22:08:33 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 03:08:33 +0000
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A49578-7EDC-48D2-9956-81D5A16DC8CD@iotecdigital.com>

To avoid having to recode yourself, you should get in the habit of building a library stack that you insert into the front of every app you are building. That way you can have a central library of common reusable code, which is why library stacks were meant to do. 

I am working on a Database Setup card (have been for a couple years now) where all my database related commands and functions go. I keep the code in a button on the same card, so that by simply going to the card, the script of that button gets inserted into the front by the openCard handler. 

That means I can copy/paste the card into any stack I want, and on openStack all I have to do is GO to the Database Setup card, and everything else happens automagically, including using registering my sqlYoga stuff, checking to see if the connection is viable, making the connection, editing the connection etc. Very handy using libraries and inserting. 

Bob


On Feb 4, 2014, at 18:28 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> There isn't a repeating string function/keyword/construct, right?
> 
> put 30 spaces into a or
> put space * 30 into a
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Wed Feb  5 22:47:23 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 03:47:23 +0000
Subject: Custom Props Set
Message-ID: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F23B@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>

Hi,

I have a grp with Custom Property Set that has multiple Custom Properties within it.

I want to be able loop through each of these custom properties within this set but I am having issues doing so.
(It's just an error in my syntax I think)

      repeat for each line tType in the keys of VimsEventChannels of grp "EventsGroup"
         answer tType
      end repeat



COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb  5 22:47:50 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 03:47:50 +0000
Subject: referring to a file on the local network by name?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEDuiOACSYADHW=82p8_C7K7vpKBG9gjCjoPTCk95OMAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEDuiOACSYADHW=82p8_C7K7vpKBG9gjCjoPTCk95OMAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA331884-26F6-420C-B6EB-589F872E635F@iotecdigital.com>

So after thinking about it for a while, it seems you can enumerate the folders in /Volumes fairly easily. BTW, you should NOT be ending up with a folder called Joe-1 unless something has gone wrong with your connection while you were connected to Joe. No matter though. If there is a Joe and a Joe-1, any attempt to connect to Joe should fail, unless you actually have two share points legitimately named Joe on two different servers, in which case I need to come over and punk slap your IT person (assuming it?s not you). ;-)

Barring that, what you are seeing is a stranded dynamic link, which in theory should never happen these days. It *should* resolve itself upon reboot, but of course you cannot depend on the condition being optimal. What version of the OS are you running btw? I?ve seen this long ago, but I thought that Apple had fixed this. The Connect to Server option in the Finder should not be allowing you to make multiple simultaneous connections to the same share point. 

Bob


On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:10 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a "clean" way to refer to a shared file on another machine by name?
> 
> For example, on mac, the file central.local:/Users/joe/joesfile.txt
> 
> could end up in /Volumes/joe/joesfile.txt, or /Volumes/joe-1/joesfile.txt,
> depending upon how many times the connection had been made.
> 
> I can see hacky ways to parse the contents of volumes, but it would be nice
> to just be able to do things like
> 
>   put theList into url "file:central.local:/Users/joe/joesfile.txt"
> 
> or some such.
> 
> The context is that the client files and output should land on the server,
> not the local machine.
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dunbarx at aol.com  Wed Feb  5 23:35:36 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 23:35:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Custom Props Set
In-Reply-To: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F23B@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F23B@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <8D0F10C03C6CBE1-B80-E40B@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com>

Hi. 


Is the entity VimsEventChannels" a custom property? If so it must be referenced with  "the".


Do you have it as a customPropertySet? If so, customPropertySets are not arrays, so getting the keys of it will not give you much..


But you can get the value of a custom property within a custom property set using array notation:


answer the yourPropertySet[yourCustomProperty}


Where "yourCustomProperty" is a custom property within the set "yourPropertySet",


See the dictionary for these things. Do I have this right at all?


Craig Newman








repeat for each line tType in the keys of VimsEventChannels of grp 
"EventsGroup"
         answer tType
      end repeat





-----Original Message-----
From: Nakia Brewer <Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:48 pm
Subject: Custom Props Set


Hi,

I have a grp with Custom Property Set that has multiple Custom Properties within 
it.

I want to be able loop through each of these custom properties within this set 
but I am having issues doing so.
(It's just an error in my syntax I think)

      repeat for each line tType in the keys of VimsEventChannels of grp 
"EventsGroup"
         answer tType
      end repeat



COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain 
confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended 
recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or 
distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from 
WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on 
+61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, 
data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised 
amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Feb  6 00:00:02 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 05:00:02 +0000
Subject: Send and the context
Message-ID: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>

I read from the dictionary:

When the send command is used the stack containing the target handler temporarily becomes the defaultStack. All object references in the message are evaluated in the current context i. e. the defaultStack. Therefore references within the message that refer to "this card" or "this stack" will be referring to the card or stack where the target handler is located. 

Ok. So I put a handler in the script of card ?Database Setup? called ?test?

on test
	put the short name of this card
end test

I then go to another card called ?Main? and create a button whose script reads:

on mouseUp
	send test to card ?Database Setup?
end mouseup

So now shouldn?t I get ?Database Setup? in the message box, and NOT ?Main?? Isn?t this the whole point to using send vs. dispatch? BTW I get the same results using dispatch. If both SEND and DISPATCH produce the same results in regard to the current context, then why not ALWAYS use DISPATCH seeing that you can pass arguments with DISPATCH?

Reason I ask is I have a card that I want to reference objects on, which may not be on the current card, and in fact may not even be in the current stack! I really do not want to reference these objects using long file names and such. Very tedious. 

At present I have a workaround, but kludges bother me, and at any rate if send does not have the effect on the message path that the dictionary seems to indicate, then either I misunderstand (not all that far fetched) or else it?s a bug. 

Bob


From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Thu Feb  6 00:23:31 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 05:23:31 +0000
Subject: Custom Props Set
In-Reply-To: <8D0F10C03C6CBE1-B80-E40B@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F23B@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
	<8D0F10C03C6CBE1-B80-E40B@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F433@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>

VimsEventChannels is the custom prop set, there are multiple custom props in this set.

I was trying to get the names of all the Custom Properties that exists in a Custom Property Set.
I want to loop through them all and see if one has a value I am looking for.

Obviously I did look to the dictionary first but couldn't find much to help me...
(probably looked in the wrong spot)

Repeat for each line tCustomProp in tCustomPropSet
If the tCustomPropSet[quote& tCustomProp &"]" = value then do something
End repeat

Kind of like above ish roughly

'




-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of dunbarx at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, 06 February 2014 15:36
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Custom Props Set

Hi. 


Is the entity VimsEventChannels" a custom property? If so it must be referenced with  "the".


Do you have it as a customPropertySet? If so, customPropertySets are not arrays, so getting the keys of it will not give you much..


But you can get the value of a custom property within a custom property set using array notation:


answer the yourPropertySet[yourCustomProperty}


Where "yourCustomProperty" is a custom property within the set "yourPropertySet",


See the dictionary for these things. Do I have this right at all?


Craig Newman








repeat for each line tType in the keys of VimsEventChannels of grp 
"EventsGroup"
         answer tType
      end repeat





-----Original Message-----
From: Nakia Brewer <Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2014 10:48 pm
Subject: Custom Props Set


Hi,

I have a grp with Custom Property Set that has multiple Custom Properties within 
it.

I want to be able loop through each of these custom properties within this set 
but I am having issues doing so.
(It's just an error in my syntax I think)

      repeat for each line tType in the keys of VimsEventChannels of grp 
"EventsGroup"
         answer tType
      end repeat



COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain 
confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended 
recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or 
distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from 
WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on 
+61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, 
data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised 
amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb  6 01:09:01 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:09:01 -0800
Subject: Download LiveCode Server
Message-ID: <52F326FD.7020700@fourthworld.com>

Where is the link on LiveCode.com to download LiveCode Server Community 
Edition?

This is for a tutorial, so please, no special links you've picked up 
from other sources.  I'm looking for the path a new user would take to 
get LC Server when visiting livecode.com.

TIA -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
  ____________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com



From neil at runrev.com  Thu Feb  6 01:18:34 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 06:18:34 +0000
Subject: Download LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <52F326FD.7020700@fourthworld.com>
References: <52F326FD.7020700@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <52F3293A.8070308@runrev.com>

Hi Richard,

You should be able to pick Community Server up from our main downloads 
page here-

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

Kind Regards,


Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
--



On 06/02/2014 06:09, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Where is the link on LiveCode.com to download LiveCode Server 
> Community Edition?
>
> This is for a tutorial, so please, no special links you've picked up 
> from other sources. I'm looking for the path a new user would take to 
> get LC Server when visiting livecode.com.
>
> TIA -
>




From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 01:44:38 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:44:38 +1100
Subject: of possible Android interest
Message-ID: <9FEDE540-A2BB-4B7A-84CD-B2C3B9BF5B57@gmail.com>

This WAS too good to be true:

> Dear Customer,
>  
> Thank you for your order at FocalPrice.com.
>  
> We are so sorry to inform you that MH0618W in your order FPGZFDBXHXYT is our Clearance Center product, which only has limit inventory and has been sold out already. Due to our system bug, the item still could be added to shopping cart after selling out. As the item is unable to be restocked back anymore, we have no choice but cancel your order and make full refund in 7 working days, please check your account for updates later. We are sorry for such inconvenience has caused.

Gerry


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb  6 01:53:40 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 22:53:40 -0800
Subject: Download LiveCode Server
Message-ID: <52F33174.3060606@fourthworld.com>

Thank you, Neil.

Where is that linked to from the main site?

 > Hi Richard,
 >
 > You should be able to pick Community Server up from our main
 > downloads page here-
 >
 > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
  ____________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb  6 02:50:21 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:50:21 -0800
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>

One reason is because "send" can be time delayed, while dispatch cannot.

And you can pass arguments using send:

[ button script ]
send "answerIt bob,debbie,judy" to this cd

[ card script ]
on answerIt arg1, arg2, arg3
   answer arg1 && arg2 && arg3
end answerIt



Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 2/5/14 9:00 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

>If both SEND and DISPATCH produce the same results in regard to the
>current context, then why not ALWAYS use DISPATCH seeing that you can
>pass arguments with DISPATCH?





From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Feb  6 03:39:25 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 09:39:25 +0100
Subject: Download LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <52F33174.3060606@fourthworld.com>
References: <52F33174.3060606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5DC00D66-8194-40F7-9F6D-100E06AF91FA@m-r-d.de>



Hi,

at http://www.livecode.com  click "DOWNLOAD" in the top menu.

On that download page there is a link at the bottom "View All LiveCode Downloads"	

Regards,

Matthias


Am 06.02.2014 um 07:53 schrieb Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>:

> Thank you, Neil.
> 
> Where is that linked to from the main site?
> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> 
>> You should be able to pick Community Server up from our main
>> downloads page here-
>> 
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> 
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
> ____________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Matthias Rebbe




From dave at applicationinsight.com  Thu Feb  6 05:07:57 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 02:07:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <56A49578-7EDC-48D2-9956-81D5A16DC8CD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A49578-7EDC-48D2-9956-81D5A16DC8CD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1391681277677-4675518.post@n4.nabble.com>

Very nice Bob - I must get into using libraries myself, I'm using a variety
of methods to help me reuse code but they are all a bit kludgy - I think I'm
just about ready to bite the bullet...



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/repeating-string-tp4675472p4675518.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From sarawakdave at rogers.com  Thu Feb  6 05:27:29 2014
From: sarawakdave at rogers.com (Dave McKee)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 05:27:29 -0500
Subject: [Bulk] Re: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <1391681277677-4675518.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A49578-7EDC-48D2-9956-81D5A16DC8CD@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391681277677-4675518.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3DC6DB91-8086-4CAF-AB0D-CD12658BCF05@rogers.com>

I am fed up with this Piper system. This AM, I couldn't connect at all to the working piper, when I launched the ios app I was prompted to run wifi setup and to double tap the piper power button before connecting to its wifi, BUT after selecting the Piper wifi, it never gets the check mark in my wifi settings, meaning that my iPhone 5S can not connect to it.

I have tried powering the Piper off and on but I always end up back with being unable to connect to the Piper or reconfigure.

Sorry but this system just does NOT work. If I thought I could get my investment back, I'd ask for it. This system is sucking down AC and asside from warming up the room, does nothing useful.

Hodie Non Cras

> On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com> wrote:
> 
> Very nice Bob - I must get into using libraries myself, I'm using a variety
> of methods to help me reuse code but they are all a bit kludgy - I think I'm
> just about ready to bite the bullet...
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/repeating-string-tp4675472p4675518.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From sarawakdave at rogers.com  Thu Feb  6 05:29:21 2014
From: sarawakdave at rogers.com (Dave McKee)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 05:29:21 -0500
Subject: [Bulk] Re: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <3DC6DB91-8086-4CAF-AB0D-CD12658BCF05@rogers.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56A49578-7EDC-48D2-9956-81D5A16DC8CD@iotecdigital.com>
	<1391681277677-4675518.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<3DC6DB91-8086-4CAF-AB0D-CD12658BCF05@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <30EA29D8-A785-4BB1-B0EB-BF82D304E747@rogers.com>

Please ignore this rant, I managed to respond to the wrong email

Hodie Non Cras

> On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:27 AM, Dave McKee <sarawakdave at rogers.com> wrote:
> 
> I am fed up with this Piper system. This AM, I couldn't connect at all to the working piper, when I launched the ios app I was prompted to run wifi setup and to double tap the piper power button before connecting to its wifi, BUT after selecting the Piper wifi, it never gets the check mark in my wifi settings, meaning that my iPhone 5S can not connect to it.
> 
> I have tried powering the Piper off and on but I always end up back with being unable to connect to the Piper or reconfigure.
> 
> Sorry but this system just does NOT work. If I thought I could get my investment back, I'd ask for it. This system is sucking down AC and asside from warming up the room, does nothing useful.
> 
> Hodie Non Cras
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Very nice Bob - I must get into using libraries myself, I'm using a variety
>> of methods to help me reuse code but they are all a bit kludgy - I think I'm
>> just about ready to bite the bullet...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/repeating-string-tp4675472p4675518.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 05:40:26 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:40:26 +0200
Subject: Download LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <52F33174.3060606@fourthworld.com>
References: <52F33174.3060606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <52F3669A.8040702@gmail.com>

On 06/02/14 08:53, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Thank you, Neil.
>
> Where is that linked to from the main site?
>
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> > You should be able to pick Community Server up from our main
> > downloads page here-
> >
> > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>
>

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

Right, slap, bang there is a column saying "Community server"

I don't quite know how you could miss it.

Richmond.



From dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 06:08:26 2014
From: dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com (Dirk prive)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:08:26 +0100
Subject: Download LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <52F33174.3060606@fourthworld.com>
References: <52F33174.3060606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAD3H57YxsqH07pWreZ6X-APbuJFY+9B==4GKocdU=xKb3235iw@mail.gmail.com>

On the main page, click "download" in the menu.
Under commercial edition it gives a link that says "View All LiveCode
Downloads"
That link brings you to http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

Dirk Cleenwerck


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Thank you, Neil.
>
> Where is that linked to from the main site?
>
>
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> > You should be able to pick Community Server up from our main
> > downloads page here-
> >
> > http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
>  ____________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bvg at mac.com  Thu Feb  6 06:36:00 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 12:36:00 +0100
Subject: [OT] Haiku
In-Reply-To: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>
References: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB7A10A5-25F1-480F-A1D7-D864CB372127@mac.com>

I see nothing on that page which would indicate an end to the project?


On 05.02.2014, at 09:07, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> It seems that Haiku (a.k.a. BeOS rediviva) has bitten the dust:
> 
> http://haiku-os.org/


-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 06:50:25 2014
From: dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com (Dirk prive)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:50:25 +0100
Subject: [OT] Haiku
In-Reply-To: <BB7A10A5-25F1-480F-A1D7-D864CB372127@mac.com>
References: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>
	<BB7A10A5-25F1-480F-A1D7-D864CB372127@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAD3H57axba_awZ3cxcABf=xcZw0tih4H2W3dqk83gUT-UBc3KA@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, it's back. I guess they had a server outage then?
Several of their websites went down, which made it look like the project
had gone.

Dirk Cleenwerck


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> I see nothing on that page which would indicate an end to the project?
>
>
> On 05.02.2014, at 09:07, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It seems that Haiku (a.k.a. BeOS rediviva) has bitten the dust:
> >
> > http://haiku-os.org/
>
>
> --
>
> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Thu Feb  6 07:43:03 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 07:43:03 -0500
Subject: Download LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <5DC00D66-8194-40F7-9F6D-100E06AF91FA@m-r-d.de>
References: <52F33174.3060606@fourthworld.com>
	<5DC00D66-8194-40F7-9F6D-100E06AF91FA@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXOxF2ysv80i3Y6TBc6raC+UQkSYTv_1GmLNaoHJpphEtA@mail.gmail.com>

I  think it would be more obvious to the user seeking "server" if they
changed it from "View All LiveCode Downloads" to "All LiveCode
Desktop/Server Downloads".

~Roger
On Feb 6, 2014 3:40 AM, "Matthias Rebbe" <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>
wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> at http://www.livecode.com  click "DOWNLOAD" in the top menu.
>
> On that download page there is a link at the bottom "View All LiveCode
> Downloads"
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Am 06.02.2014 um 07:53 schrieb Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> >:
>
> > Thank you, Neil.
> >
> > Where is that linked to from the main site?
> >
> >> Hi Richard,
> >>
> >> You should be able to pick Community Server up from our main
> >> downloads page here-
> >>
> >> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> >
> >
> > --
> > Richard Gaskin
> > Fourth World Systems
> > Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> Matthias Rebbe
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Thu Feb  6 08:59:50 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 13:59:50 -0000
Subject: [REM] 40% discount FieldFormatter
Message-ID: <00c401cf2343$b4589940$1d09cbc0$@FlexibleLearning.com>

www.FlexibleLearning.com/fieldformatter 

FieldFormatter: "Separating data from display "

Reminder...
For a limited time, grab FieldFormatter at a special price. This deal ends
at midnight on Saturday!


FieldFormatter is both Community and Commercial compatible, it comes with
- An integrated IDE palette
- 28 new properties
- Full documentation with examples
- Playground stack to investigate and change


A few examples of how to save yourself a lot of coding...

How do I show a hint in a field?
- set the DEFAULTTEXT of fld "FindMe" to "Search for..."
How do I show sensitive data with blobs?
- set the asPRIVATE of fld "Password" to true
How do I only allow numbers?
- set the NUMERIC of fld "amount" to true
How do I display currency?
- set the NUMERICFORMAT of fld "price" to "0.00"
- set the VALUECHARS of fld "price" to "$"
How do I automatically display thousands?
- set the SHOWTHOUSANDS of fld 1 to true
- set the THOUSANDSSEPARATOR to "."
How do I display as a %?
- set the asPERCENTAGE of fld "VAT" to true
How do I apply an automatic conversion rate? 
- set the CONVERSIONRATE of fld "asMetric" to 2.54
How do I automatically colorise negative numbers?
- set the NEGATIVECOLOR of fld "Due" to "red"
How do I display a date in my own format?
- set the DATETIMEFORMAT of fld "date" to "MMM dd, 'yy"

www.FlexibleLearning.com/fieldformatter 

Hugh Senior
FLCo






From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 09:42:49 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 16:42:49 +0200
Subject: [OT] Haiku
In-Reply-To: <CAD3H57axba_awZ3cxcABf=xcZw0tih4H2W3dqk83gUT-UBc3KA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>	<BB7A10A5-25F1-480F-A1D7-D864CB372127@mac.com>
	<CAD3H57axba_awZ3cxcABf=xcZw0tih4H2W3dqk83gUT-UBc3KA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F39F69.9080602@gmail.com>

On 06/02/14 13:50, Dirk prive wrote:
> Ah, it's back. I guess they had a server outage then?
> Several of their websites went down, which made it look like the project
> had gone.

Well, I'm happy, at least.

Richmond.

>
> Dirk Cleenwerck
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> I see nothing on that page which would indicate an end to the project?
>>
>>
>> On 05.02.2014, at 09:07, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems that Haiku (a.k.a. BeOS rediviva) has bitten the dust:
>>>
>>> http://haiku-os.org/
>>
>> --
>>
>> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
>> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/
>>
>> Chat with other RunRev developers:
>> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb  6 10:57:31 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 07:57:31 -0800
Subject: Download LiveCode Server
In-Reply-To: <5DC00D66-8194-40F7-9F6D-100E06AF91FA@m-r-d.de>
References: <5DC00D66-8194-40F7-9F6D-100E06AF91FA@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <52F3B0EB.1010105@fourthworld.com>

Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> at http://www.livecode.com  click "DOWNLOAD" in the top menu.
>
> On that download page there is a link at the bottom "View All LiveCode Downloads"	

Thanks. I can see why myself and others keep missing it, and even more 
embarrassingly, in the middle of a rushed night (man, it's been a busy 
season) I'd forgotten that I'd already submitted a usability bug report 
against that link:
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11685>

The Download page is divided into two halves, with Community on the 
left.  The link labeled "View All LiveCode Downloads" is on the right 
side of the page, under the heading "Commercial Edition".  This is why 
myself and others keep missing that link: we're looking for Community 
builds, and are focused on the links under the Community heading.

If the link were centered on the page it would more clearly indicate 
that it is indeed for Community as well.

That report also includes a suggestion that they put the PDF user guide 
for Server in the download package.  As it is, the package contains only 
a bunch of files with no guidance, requiring the user to go back to 
livecode.com and hunt down the instructions on what to do with those files.

Thanks again.  Going forward I'll try to remember to slow down and 
double-check my bug reports first, and may even put together a mirror 
site at LiveCodeJournal.com which has all the files in one place, along 
with updated docs that includes tips for Dreamhost's unusual 
requirements, permissions for folders, and other tips the community has 
come up with over the years.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From andrew at ctech.me  Thu Feb  6 13:06:13 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:06:13 -0600
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>

How profound: All instruments of law are imposed and maintained by force
and threats.


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> I've come up with a saying some years ago. Anything is constitutional that
> no man is willing to resist. Nothing is constitutional that no man is
> willing to defend. (Substitute "constitutional for whatever instrument of
> law your particular country subscribes to).
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2014, at 19:18 , stephen barncard <
> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>
> > Not amusing to the look and feel people at Apple.
> >
> > the Icons are copied or very close. Not to mention about 20 other things.
> > Can 'they' get away with this?
> >
> > sqb
> >
> > *--*
> > *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> It has a strong resemblance to the Pear Linux distro, which does a fine
> job
> >> of being Mac-like as well.
> >>
> >> At 7:10 in the video below, the "star" is probably just a coincidence,
> >> so... yeah...
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HAZTHK869A
> >>
> >> ~Roger
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Especially if you would like it to be more Windows or OSX like:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://www.northkoreatech.org/2014/01/31/north-koreas-red-star-os-goes-mac/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Feb  6 13:43:11 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 18:43:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Android loaner devices
Message-ID: <loom.20140206T193730-280@post.gmane.org>

If you're in the US or Canada (only... sorry) you can register for LG's
device loaner program and they will loan you an LG android device for up to
60 days to test your apps. Or maybe 30 days... the brochure I picked up at
AppsWorld yesterday says 60, the website says 30... but anyway.

http://developer.lge.com
https://www.viennachannels.com/loginpage.php?P=lg1

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Feb  6 14:09:21 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:09:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Send and the context
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>

Scott Rossi <scott at ...> writes:

> And you can pass arguments using send:

and you can do the same with dispatch:

> [ button script ]
dispatch "answerIt" to this cd with "bob", "debbie", "judy"


> [ card script ]
> on answerIt arg1, arg2, arg3
>    answer arg1 && arg2 && arg3
> end answerIt

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From dochawk at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 14:41:17 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 11:41:17 -0800
Subject: [OT] Haiku
In-Reply-To: <0582BB00-9ABE-4368-88EB-8DDDA7C8608C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>
	<0582BB00-9ABE-4368-88EB-8DDDA7C8608C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGFDiQBLY7G+C4RXO2qLjb4EmhR0n4bhi__hJH++jUN4w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> And to think that Apple was seriously considering using BeOS as it's next
> generation OS at one time.
>

It was a done deal until the Be folks thought they had apple over a barrel,
and demanded an insane amount of money.

Jobs was a much better purchase, and he came with a free operating system .
. .


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 14:52:03 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 21:52:03 +0200
Subject: Feeling Saucy
Message-ID: <52F3E7E3.8030204@gmail.com>

When I want to compile something Open Source from code I am generally
able to download it; at which point it normally arrives with me in a ZIP 
file with
instructions as to how to build the thing on a wide variety of 
platforms, as well
as a list of prerequisites and/or dependencies.

I wonder where I should find that sort of ZIP file for the Community 
version of Livecode?

Richmond.



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 14:53:52 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 12:53:52 -0700
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>

use "of me" instead.  This refers to the current card of the default stack.
So if the handler is running on a card that isn't the front card, you'll
get the short name of the card that IS the front.

of me references the object that contains the script in question.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Scott Rossi <scott at ...> writes:
>
> > And you can pass arguments using send:
>
> and you can do the same with dispatch:
>
> > [ button script ]
> dispatch "answerIt" to this cd with "bob", "debbie", "judy"
>
>
> > [ card script ]
> > on answerIt arg1, arg2, arg3
> >    answer arg1 && arg2 && arg3
> > end answerIt
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 15:15:33 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 13:15:33 -0700
Subject: [OT] Haiku
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGFDiQBLY7G+C4RXO2qLjb4EmhR0n4bhi__hJH++jUN4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>
	<0582BB00-9ABE-4368-88EB-8DDDA7C8608C@iotecdigital.com>
	<CANQHZSGFDiQBLY7G+C4RXO2qLjb4EmhR0n4bhi__hJH++jUN4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSogHwNndNd9exGFBBM3x8dMG+WA1hxFFkDTCcM9ovBA3g@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone tried open indiana, aka open solaris?

I have it running in a couple VMs (server version command line, and full
desktop version)  Don't know all that much about it yet but so far it seems
to be rock solid.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com
> >wrote:
>
> > And to think that Apple was seriously considering using BeOS as it's next
> > generation OS at one time.
> >
>
> It was a done deal until the Be folks thought they had apple over a barrel,
> and demanded an insane amount of money.
>
> Jobs was a much better purchase, and he came with a free operating system .
> . .
>
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 15:21:41 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 22:21:41 +0200
Subject: [OT] Haiku
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSogHwNndNd9exGFBBM3x8dMG+WA1hxFFkDTCcM9ovBA3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52F1F138.5020100@gmail.com>	<0582BB00-9ABE-4368-88EB-8DDDA7C8608C@iotecdigital.com>	<CANQHZSGFDiQBLY7G+C4RXO2qLjb4EmhR0n4bhi__hJH++jUN4w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSogHwNndNd9exGFBBM3x8dMG+WA1hxFFkDTCcM9ovBA3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F3EED5.4000505@gmail.com>

On 06/02/14 22:15, Mike Bonner wrote:
> Has anyone tried open indiana, aka open solaris?

No: at the moment I'm being a "real prawn" trying to install Livecode 
Community 6.5.2
on ReactOS inside VMWare.

Seems to get stuck.

ReactOS is similar to Haiku insofar as it is on version Alpha something 
and has been since just about the time the dinosaurs were wiped out by a 
bunch of LSD-crazed creationists.

Richmond.

>
> I have it running in a couple VMs (server version command line, and full
> desktop version)  Don't know all that much about it yet but so far it seems
> to be rock solid.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com
>>> wrote:
>>> And to think that Apple was seriously considering using BeOS as it's next
>>> generation OS at one time.
>>>
>> It was a done deal until the Be folks thought they had apple over a barrel,
>> and demanded an insane amount of money.
>>
>> Jobs was a much better purchase, and he came with a free operating system .
>> . .
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
>> (702) 508-8462
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Thu Feb  6 16:09:22 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 16:09:22 -0500
Subject: Feeling Saucy
In-Reply-To: <52F3E7E3.8030204@gmail.com>
References: <52F3E7E3.8030204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXPvy6vGD0UfUOVWORSxWG76C5i3xee4yhYkmL4UccrexA@mail.gmail.com>

I have not tried this myself, but these appear to be the droids you are
looking for.

https://github.com/runrev/livecode

~Roger


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> When I want to compile something Open Source from code I am generally
> able to download it; at which point it normally arrives with me in a ZIP
> file with
> instructions as to how to build the thing on a wide variety of platforms,
> as well
> as a list of prerequisites and/or dependencies.
>
> I wonder where I should find that sort of ZIP file for the Community
> version of Livecode?
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb  6 16:25:22 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 15:25:22 -0600
Subject: Custom Props Set
In-Reply-To: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F433@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F23B@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>	<8D0F10C03C6CBE1-B80-E40B@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F433@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <52F3FDC2.7060306@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/5/14, 11:23 PM, Nakia Brewer wrote:

> I was trying to get the names of all the Custom Properties that
> existsin a Custom Property Set.
> I want to loop through them all and see if one has a value I am  looking for.

> Repeat for each line tCustomProp in tCustomPropSet
> If the tCustomPropSet[quote& tCustomProp &"]" = value then do something
> End repeat
>
> Kind of like above ish roughly

You may have figured this out by now, but try this:

  put the keys of the tCustomPropSet of this stack into tKeys
  repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
    if the tCustomPropSet[tKey] = value then do something
  end repeat

If the set isn't in the stack, sustitute wherever it is for "of this stack".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Feb  6 17:08:01 2014
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:08:01 +0100
Subject: keeping tabstops intact when exporting an rtf?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1379671201.11001.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1379671201.11001.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <16611403-D50A-4FFD-94DB-E00026ECA583@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

I am trying to export RTF Text which ideally should look the same as in a liveCode field, when importing into a different app. For most what I have set up this works, but I am really struggeling with tabstops. I have not yet found a way to get the other applications to display my formatting the way a liveCodefield would.

Can this be done? Any ideas?

Best,

Malte




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 17:28:45 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 00:28:45 +0200
Subject: keeping tabstops intact when exporting an rtf?
In-Reply-To: <16611403-D50A-4FFD-94DB-E00026ECA583@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.3.1379671201.11001.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<16611403-D50A-4FFD-94DB-E00026ECA583@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <52F40C9D.7030401@gmail.com>

On 07/02/14 00:08, Malte Brill wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am trying to export RTF Text which ideally should look the same as in a liveCode field, when importing into a different app. For most what I have set up this works, but I am really struggeling with tabstops. I have not yet found a way to get the other applications to display my formatting the way a liveCodefield would.
>
> Can this be done? Any ideas?
>
> Best,
>
> Malte
>
>

As RTF was developed by Microsoft and they have not released all the 
code, I very
much doubt that Livecode is able to export "full" RTF from a textField, 
but a subset
of RTF.

Richmond.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb  6 17:41:28 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:41:28 -0800
Subject: keeping tabstops intact when exporting an rtf?
In-Reply-To: <16611403-D50A-4FFD-94DB-E00026ECA583@derbrill.de>
References: <16611403-D50A-4FFD-94DB-E00026ECA583@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <52F40F98.8010305@fourthworld.com>

Malte wrote:

 > I am trying to export RTF Text which ideally should look the same as
 > in a liveCode field, when importing into a different app. For most
 > what I have set up this works, but I am really struggeling with
 > tabstops. I have not yet found a way to get the other applications to
 > display my formatting the way a liveCodefield would.
 >
 > Can this be done? Any ideas?

I believe RTF supports column widths, specified in twips if memory serves.

When the tabstops are set only at the field level, it's debatable as to 
whether those should be included in rtfText.

But when the tabstops are set at the paragraph level, as we can do in 
v5.5.4 and later, IMO those should definitely be included in the output 
rtfText.

It seems that currently neither form of tabstops affects the rtfText of 
a field.

Care to submit an enhancement request for that?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Feb  6 18:24:19 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 00:24:19 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Installer Maker 1.8.2 update
In-Reply-To: <52F2ECF5.1070009@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <52F2ECF5.1070009@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <52F419A3.6000909@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi (again),

A new version of Installer Maker has been released. This update, 1.8.2, 
is now made available not only as a Plugin for LiveCode but also as a 
standalone application for users of Xojo, HyperStudio, Prezy, SuperCard 
and other cross-platform RAD tools.

Installer Maker 1.8.2 allows for saving all settings in a profile. This 
profile can later be read from disk and re-used for your project again. 
This way, you don't need to re-enter all settings and options every time 
you make your installer. You do need to import your new files. Note that 
this is a new feature, which we expect to improve in the near future. We 
appreciate your feedback.

Additionally, it is no longer possible to accidentally associate the 
.exe file extension with your executable. We have received 2 reports of 
users trying to associate the .exe file extension. Although it should be 
obvious that the .exe file extension whould not be associated with any 
software, we have decided to disallow the .exe file extension from now on.

The plug-in can only be used with LiveCode 4.5 - 5.x and the commercial 
version of LiveCode 6 and later. The standalone version of Installer 
Maker can be used with (almost) any development software package.

Once in a while, we receive a feature request, bug report or other 
comments. If you decide to send an e-mail about Installer Maker, please 
include extensive descriptions of the features you request or the bugs 
you encounter with pictures and other relevant files.

The standalone version of Installer Maker can be downloaded here:
http://www3.economy-x-talk.com/file.php?node=installer-maker

The plug-in version of Installer Maker for LiveCode can be downloaded here:
http://www3.economy-x-talk.com/file.php?node=installer-maker-for-lc

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/




From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Feb  6 18:36:44 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:36:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: keeping tabstops intact when exporting an rtf?
In-Reply-To: <16611403-D50A-4FFD-94DB-E00026ECA583@derbrill.de>
References: <16611403-D50A-4FFD-94DB-E00026ECA583@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <1391729804628-4675543.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Malte,

in a very short test on a Mac exporting rtfText of a field into a file tabs
were seen by TextEdit, but not by Word 2008 for Mac, they were displayed as
underscores.
When exporting the same 2 line 6 word text from TextEdit as formatted text
Word could read it. The only difference I found was that LiveCode uses \'09
for tabs and TextEdit used an acutal tab.
Replacing \'09 with tab in rtfText resulted in a Word-readable file

content of field 1:

apple	pears	oranges
one	two	three
-------------
on mouseUp
   put the rtfText of field 1 into tData
   replace "\'09" with tab in tData
   put specialFolderPath("desktop") & "/" & "rtfTest.rtf" into tPath
   put tData into url ("file:" & tPath)
end mouseUp
---------------

I am not claiming this solves all problems but for this very simple example
it worked.

Kind regards
Bernd




--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/keeping-tabstops-intact-when-exporting-an-rtf-tp4675539p4675543.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Feb  6 20:06:28 2014
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 02:06:28 +0100
Subject: keeping tabstops intact when exporting an rtf?  
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1379671201.11001.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1379671201.11001.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <888C5181-F69C-46AE-B724-C542B8FFFFCA@derbrill.de>

Thanks for your replies guys!

@Richmond: You may be right. it looks like a PITA, but RTF seems to be the only formatted option that is somewhat portable to other apps...
@Richard: I guess an enhancment request is a good idea
@Bernd: My Problem was (/is) to keep the tabs aligned across lines / paragraphs. 

One of the major Problem seems to be that liveCode creates a paragraph for each line, while this is not necessariely needed. I am still reading into the rtf specs (boy, that is confusing).

I managed to get something working cross applications and cross OS, that fits my purpose.

I came up with this:

on mouseUp
   local tHeader
   local tBody
   put "Short"&TAB&"Test" into fld "theRTFText" 
   put  cr&"Longer"&TAB&"Test" after fld "theRTFText"
   put cr&"very very long"&TAB&"Test" after fld "theRTFText"
   set the textStyle of word 1 of line 2 of fld "theRTFText" to "bold"
   set the textColor of word 1 of fld "theRTFText" to "red"
   put line 1 to 2 of the rtfText of fld "theRTFText" into tHeader
   put line 3 to -1 of the rtfText of fld "theRTFText" into tBody
   put cr after tHeader
   put "\paperw11900\paperh16840\margl1440\margr1440\vieww10800\viewh8400\viewkind0"  after tHeader
-- papersetup
   put cr after tHeader
   replace "\pard" with "\pard\tx2647\pardirnatural" in tBody
-- add more tx for more TABSTOPS
   replace "\'09" with "\tab " in tBody -- Word!
   put "\par" before char -1 of tBody
   -- somehow missing in rtfText. Wordpad on Win complains if this is not there
   ask file "Save RTF file..."
   put tHeader & tBody into URL ("binfile:"&it)
end mouseUp

All the best,

Malte


From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 20:23:52 2014
From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 17:23:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [REM] 40% discount FieldFormatter
In-Reply-To: <00c401cf2343$b4589940$1d09cbc0$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <00c401cf2343$b4589940$1d09cbc0$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <1391736232551-4675545.post@n4.nabble.com>

Look great, Hugh. I'm in.
-- Tom Bodine



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/REM-40-discount-FieldFormatter-tp4675526p4675545.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Thu Feb  6 21:01:15 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 02:01:15 +0000
Subject: Custom Props Set
In-Reply-To: <52F3FDC2.7060306@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F23B@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
	<8D0F10C03C6CBE1-B80-E40B@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F433@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
	<52F3FDC2.7060306@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A28326A04BD@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>

Thanks Jac,

Haven't got back to this today so this will help.

Many Thanks


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay
Sent: Friday, 07 February 2014 08:25
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Custom Props Set

On 2/5/14, 11:23 PM, Nakia Brewer wrote:

> I was trying to get the names of all the Custom Properties that
> existsin a Custom Property Set.
> I want to loop through them all and see if one has a value I am  looking for.

> Repeat for each line tCustomProp in tCustomPropSet
> If the tCustomPropSet[quote& tCustomProp &"]" = value then do something
> End repeat
>
> Kind of like above ish roughly

You may have figured this out by now, but try this:

  put the keys of the tCustomPropSet of this stack into tKeys
  repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
    if the tCustomPropSet[tKey] = value then do something
  end repeat

If the set isn't in the stack, sustitute wherever it is for "of this stack".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Thu Feb  6 22:08:59 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 03:08:59 +0000
Subject: GPS Speed on IOS
Message-ID: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A28326A056C@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has done anything with an in App contained way of calculating speed with the available outputs from mobile location feature on
iOS? This App may be used in places without internet coverage so calling to the google API etc is a no go.

Appreciate any thoughts..






COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb  6 22:16:36 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 21:16:36 -0600
Subject: Custom Props Set
In-Reply-To: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A28326A04BD@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F23B@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>	<8D0F10C03C6CBE1-B80-E40B@webmail-m232.sysops.aol.com>	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283269F433@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>	<52F3FDC2.7060306@hyperactivesw.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A28326A04BD@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <52F45014.8010207@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/6/14, 8:01 PM, Nakia Brewer wrote:
> Thanks Jac,
>
> Haven't got back to this today so this will help.

I just noticed I left out the "of this stack" inside the repeat loop, it 
should be:

  if the tCustomPropSet[tKey] of this stack = value then do something

Mushy brain.

>> I was trying to get the names of all the Custom Properties that
>> existsin a Custom Property Set.
>> I want to loop through them all and see if one has a value I am  looking for.
>
>> Repeat for each line tCustomProp in tCustomPropSet
>> If the tCustomPropSet[quote& tCustomProp &"]" = value then do something
>> End repeat
>>
>> Kind of like above ish roughly
>
> You may have figured this out by now, but try this:
>
>    put the keys of the tCustomPropSet of this stack into tKeys
>    repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
>      if the tCustomPropSet[tKey] = value then do something
>    end repeat
>
> If the set isn't in the stack, sustitute wherever it is for "of this stack".
>
s

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Feb  6 22:21:33 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:21:33 -0800
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>

Mike-

Thursday, February 6, 2014, 11:53:52 AM, you wrote:

> use "of me" instead.  This refers to the current card of the default stack.

No.
It doesn't.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Feb  6 22:23:53 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:23:53 -0800
Subject: Feeling Saucy
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPvy6vGD0UfUOVWORSxWG76C5i3xee4yhYkmL4UccrexA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52F3E7E3.8030204@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPvy6vGD0UfUOVWORSxWG76C5i3xee4yhYkmL4UccrexA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21380681767.20140206192353@ahsoftware.net>

Roger-

Thursday, February 6, 2014, 1:09:22 PM, you wrote:

> I have not tried this myself, but these appear to be the droids you are
> looking for.

> https://github.com/runrev/livecode

Indeed. The README.md file, as per convention, has an overview of the
build instructions.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb  6 23:51:39 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 20:51:39 -0800
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>

Right.  I think that's how things work in a behavior.

Wasn't there a change in how the context of the send command functions in a
recent release?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Mike-
>
> Thursday, February 6, 2014, 11:53:52 AM, you wrote:
>
> > use "of me" instead.  This refers to the current card of the default
> stack.
>
> No.
> It doesn't.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb  7 00:04:07 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 21:04:07 -0800
Subject: Relayering a control
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMAY8cEu5=4KnqnETH+HVO_UAnLkJ7RMFSRY_UMbcNXnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Let's say I have a card with the following control structure

GroupA (layer 1)
  ControlA1 (layer 2)
  ControlA2 (layer 3)
GroupB (layer 4)
  ControlB1 (layer 5)
  ControlB2 (layer 6)

I need to change the layer of control A2 by script to 7 and it should not
be a member of GroupB.

If I set relayerGroupedControls to true before changing ControlA2's layer,
it becomes a member of GroupB.

If I set the relayerGroupedControls to false, I get a runtime error that
the control or group is not open (the card is open).

What am I doing wrong?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From guglielmo at braguglia.ch  Fri Feb  7 00:57:07 2014
From: guglielmo at braguglia.ch (Guglielmo Braguglia)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 06:57:07 +0100
Subject: GPS Speed on IOS
In-Reply-To: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A28326A056C@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A28326A056C@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <52F475B3.5070709@braguglia.ch>

Hi,
you don't have to "calculate" speed ...
... starting from, if I remember, LiveCode 6.1, you have "speed" (and 
"course") included in Location info. From old iOS release notes :

"Location -- a comma separated list of the latitude, longitude and 
altitude of the device. If detailed is true an array containing the keys 
latitude, longitude, altitude, time stamp, horizontal accuracy, vertical 
accuracy, speed and course is returned.
If the latitude and longitude could not be measured, those values 
together with the horizontal accuracy key will not be present. If the 
altitude could not be measured, that value together with the vertical 
accuracy will not be present."

Hope this help.

Guglielmo


> Nakia Brewer <mailto:Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>
> 7 Feb 2014 04:08 am
> Hi,
>
> Just wondering if anyone has done anything with an in App contained 
> way of calculating speed with the available outputs from mobile 
> location feature on
> iOS? This App may be used in places without internet coverage so 
> calling to the google API etc is a no go.
>
> Appreciate any thoughts..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files 
> may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you 
> are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from 
> using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information 
> contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you 
> have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 
> 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer 
> virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or 
> unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail 
> communications.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From james at thehales.id.au  Fri Feb  7 01:04:22 2014
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 17:04:22 +1100
Subject: [OT] PopClip for Mac - a very useful utility
Message-ID: <6C4DA1A0-FCE6-4414-9913-496873F7DD48@thehales.id.au>

I must admit I really enjoy trying out new utilities and apps on my Mac.
Recently I came across this little gem PopClip.
It basically replicates the pop up menu seen in iOS when any text is selected.
Select some text and there it is, ready to ignore or click on one of its options.

I mention it here as I have recently returned to LC and have found how useful it is while editing scripts.

Anyway you can check it out here: http://pilotmoon.com/popclip/
Or go to the Mac App Store. At $4.99 it is pretty cheap.

James


From martyknappster at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 01:29:34 2014
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 22:29:34 -0800
Subject: Relayering a control
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMAY8cEu5=4KnqnETH+HVO_UAnLkJ7RMFSRY_UMbcNXnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eMAY8cEu5=4KnqnETH+HVO_UAnLkJ7RMFSRY_UMbcNXnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F47D4E.3020002@gmail.com>

What I do Pete is to make a list of all the controls but filter out any 
controls that are part of a group (by checking the owner). Then I take 
into account whether the object I want to move is a group or single 
control in the same way. Then use the relayer command - "relayer control 
A before control B." That way you won't move single controls in and out 
of other groups. But maybe there's a more elegant way?

Marty K
> Let's say I have a card with the following control structure
>
> GroupA (layer 1)
>    ControlA1 (layer 2)
>    ControlA2 (layer 3)
> GroupB (layer 4)
>    ControlB1 (layer 5)
>    ControlB2 (layer 6)
>
> I need to change the layer of control A2 by script to 7 and it should not
> be a member of GroupB.
>
> If I set relayerGroupedControls to true before changing ControlA2's layer,
> it becomes a member of GroupB.
>
> If I set the relayerGroupedControls to false, I get a runtime error that
> the control or group is not open (the card is open).
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bogdanoff at me.com  Fri Feb  7 02:21:47 2014
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 23:21:47 -0800
Subject: Setting a fade in/out of a group
Message-ID: <1CD857DA-4526-4541-B6A4-131B7D03C329@me.com>

Hi,

Does a group receive mouse messages the same way as another control, such as a button?

I have a control panel that I want to fade in and out with mouse enter and leave. The control panel is a group containing a number of buttons. I have a group script with mouseEnter and mouseLeave handlers to to do the fade of the group.

The group script seems to receive the mouse messages from the individual buttons within the group (as expected). But I only want the group itself to respond to the mouse. If I trap the mouseEnter and mouseLeave messages in each element of the group nothing happens. The group itself doesn't seem to respond to the mouse.

Without the trapped messages in each element the problem is a strobing effect as the mouse is moved horizontally and enters and leaves the individual buttons. Again, trapping those messages makes nothing happen as the group itself doesn't seem to be responding to the mouse movement.

I'm using LC 6.1.3.

Thanks,

Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA


From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 02:37:27 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:37:27 +1100
Subject: iOS Native browser kills native player
Message-ID: <99803554-4099-4DC0-B9BB-437F4F18684E@gmail.com>

Before I report this as a bug, has anyone else noticed that if you have a non-full screen native player on a card and then create a native browser on the same card the player disappears. It's still plays...unless you set the URL of the browser...then the player is destroyed.

Can those native objects not live together happily?

Gerry


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 02:45:19 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 01:45:19 -0600
Subject: Relayering a control
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMAY8cEu5=4KnqnETH+HVO_UAnLkJ7RMFSRY_UMbcNXnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eMAY8cEu5=4KnqnETH+HVO_UAnLkJ7RMFSRY_UMbcNXnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqrRUuarODJHjG6LNPkqC3DP4q81HfyQwmNeT+4QUiTAw@mail.gmail.com>

If your setup looks like this:

group id 1007 [1007]
|  button "Button" [1004]
|  button "Button" [1009]
group id 1011 [1011]
|  button "Button" [1010]
|  button "Button" [1012]

Then this:

on mouseUp
   set relayergroupedcontrols to true
   set the layer of btn 2 to 7
end mouseUp

will give the desired result:

group id 1007 [1007]
|  button "Button" [1004]
group id 1011 [1011]
|  button "Button" [1010]
|  button "Button" [1012]
button "Button" [1009]

But if your setup is this:

group id 1007 [1007]
|  button "Button" [1004]
|  button "Button" [1009]
group id 1011 [1011]
|  button "Button" [1010]
|  button "Button" [1012]
button "Button" [1016]

it will result in this:

group id 1007 [1007]
|  button "Button" [1004]
group id 1011 [1011]
|  button "Button" [1010]
|  button "Button" [1012]
button "Button" [1016]
button "Button" [1009]

while this:

on mouseUp
   set relayergroupedcontrols to true
   set the layer of btn 2 to 6
end mouseUp

will result in this:

group id 1007 [1007]
|  button "Button" [1004]
group id 1011 [1011]
|  button "Button" [1010]
|  button "Button" [1012]
|  button "Button" [1009]
button "Button" [1016]

I think this will give the desired result in all circumstances:

on mouseUp

   set relayergroupedcontrols to true

   relayer btn 2 after grp 2

end mouseUp



On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Let's say I have a card with the following control structure
>
> GroupA (layer 1)
>   ControlA1 (layer 2)
>   ControlA2 (layer 3)
> GroupB (layer 4)
>   ControlB1 (layer 5)
>   ControlB2 (layer 6)
>
> I need to change the layer of control A2 by script to 7 and it should not
> be a member of GroupB.
>
> If I set relayerGroupedControls to true before changing ControlA2's layer,
> it becomes a member of GroupB.
>
> If I set the relayerGroupedControls to false, I get a runtime error that
> the control or group is not open (the card is open).
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Fri Feb  7 02:57:13 2014
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:57:13 +0100
Subject: [OT] PopClip for Mac - a very useful utility
In-Reply-To: <6C4DA1A0-FCE6-4414-9913-496873F7DD48@thehales.id.au>
References: <6C4DA1A0-FCE6-4414-9913-496873F7DD48@thehales.id.au>
Message-ID: <F48AE0C6-A70F-4E47-A3EA-286DE4220687@numericable.com>

Yes ! I love it !

Le 7 f?vr. 2014 ? 07:04, James Hale <james at thehales.id.au> a ?crit :

> I must admit I really enjoy trying out new utilities and apps on my Mac.
> Recently I came across this little gem PopClip.
> It basically replicates the pop up menu seen in iOS when any text is selected.
> Select some text and there it is, ready to ignore or click on one of its options.
> 
> I mention it here as I have recently returned to LC and have found how useful it is while editing scripts.
> 
> Anyway you can check it out here: http://pilotmoon.com/popclip/
> Or go to the Mac App Store. At $4.99 it is pretty cheap.
> 
> James
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb  7 03:21:25 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 00:21:25 -0800
Subject: Setting a fade in/out of a group
In-Reply-To: <1CD857DA-4526-4541-B6A4-131B7D03C329@me.com>
References: <1CD857DA-4526-4541-B6A4-131B7D03C329@me.com>
Message-ID: <CF19D69E.3A755%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi Peter:

You need an object in the group to trap the mouse messages.  Add a
transparent button or graphic whose blendLevel is set to 100 that spans
the width/height of the group.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 2/6/14 11:21 PM, "Peter Bogdanoff" <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Does a group receive mouse messages the same way as another control, such
>as a button?
>
>I have a control panel that I want to fade in and out with mouse enter
>and leave. The control panel is a group containing a number of buttons. I
>have a group script with mouseEnter and mouseLeave handlers to to do the
>fade of the group.
>
>The group script seems to receive the mouse messages from the individual
>buttons within the group (as expected). But I only want the group itself
>to respond to the mouse. If I trap the mouseEnter and mouseLeave messages
>in each element of the group nothing happens. The group itself doesn't
>seem to respond to the mouse.
>
>Without the trapped messages in each element the problem is a strobing
>effect as the mouse is moved horizontally and enters and leaves the
>individual buttons. Again, trapping those messages makes nothing happen
>as the group itself doesn't seem to be responding to the mouse movement.
>
>I'm using LC 6.1.3.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Peter Bogdanoff
>UCLA
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>





From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 03:57:53 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:57:53 +1100
Subject: iOS Native browser kills native player
In-Reply-To: <99803554-4099-4DC0-B9BB-437F4F18684E@gmail.com>
References: <99803554-4099-4DC0-B9BB-437F4F18684E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FAEAEAF8-01E6-489F-AA17-BB2DAC473AF2@gmail.com>

On further investigation the player is destroyed only if the URL of the page being loaded into the browser contains inline video or audio content and controls. Setting the browser control's "allowsInlinePlayback" property to false (which is documented as preventing inline media from playing) doesn't fix the issue.

Here's the bug: http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11765

Gerry


On 7 Feb 2014, at 6:37 pm, Gerry Orkin <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Before I report this as a bug, has anyone else noticed that if you have a non-full screen native player on a card and then create a native browser on the same card the player disappears. It's still plays...unless you set the URL of the browser...then the player is destroyed.
> 
> Can those native objects not live together happily?
> 
> Gerry



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb  7 09:37:02 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:37:02 +0100
Subject: [OT] The last few copies of Programming LivCode for the Real Beginner
Message-ID: <52F4EF8E.4060102@economy-x-talk.com>

Hello,

We have 5 copies of "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" left. I 
don't know when I will print them again. If you want a copy, you can 
order one at http://qery.us/42z . Feel free to contact me by e-mail if 
you want to make sure that we still have a copy available for you.

At http://qery.us/43y you can read everything everybody needs to know 
about the book.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 09:50:25 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:50:25 -0600
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if this has been posted before, but just in case: If you store
your stack files in the dropbox folder on your computer, dropbox does a
really good job of saving a copy of each separate file whenever the file is
saved. You can look at a list of the saved versions and get/restore any of
them.

It's not git, but as a file-level resource it's a 1000x better than
nothing. I borked up some code last night (never try to solve a problem at
3am that stumped you at 9pm) so I'm really happy that I can just revert to
the 9pm version and forget whatever it is I did later on.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb  7 09:59:00 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:59:00 +0100
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F4F4B4.6030009@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Geoff,

I completely agree. I have a 16GB account and keep a backup of my active 
project folder on Dropbox and, which has saved me a few times.

Anyone else reading this: if you want to register for Dropbox quickly, 
you can follow this link http://qery.us/u6

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/7/2014 15:50, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> Not sure if this has been posted before, but just in case: If you store
> your stack files in the dropbox folder on your computer, dropbox does a
> really good job of saving a copy of each separate file whenever the file is
> saved. You can look at a list of the saved versions and get/restore any of
> them.
>
> It's not git, but as a file-level resource it's a 1000x better than
> nothing. I borked up some code last night (never try to solve a problem at
> 3am that stumped you at 9pm) so I'm really happy that I can just revert to
> the 9pm version and forget whatever it is I did later on.




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 10:08:29 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:08:29 -0700
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqmxtEKdQAEy8FM5uMQ3Rz4Y+qHJ7t0vj=iYbv_e1VKOw@mail.gmail.com>

Really?  From the dictionary

*Summary: *

Indicates the current stack <glossary/c/120.xml>, or the current
card<glossary/c/118.xml>of the current
stack <glossary/c/120.xml>.


Since send changes the "current stack" context, then it would be the
current card of whichever stack is sent to.. Or is the dictionary wrong or
i'm misunderstanding?


In fact, the dictionary even says that "current" is a synonym for this.


Its also probable I should have typed it clearer.. use "of me" instead.
 "This" refers to the current card of the default stack.


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Right.  I think that's how things work in a behavior.
>
> Wasn't there a change in how the context of the send command functions in a
> recent release?
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike-
> >
> > Thursday, February 6, 2014, 11:53:52 AM, you wrote:
> >
> > > use "of me" instead.  This refers to the current card of the default
> > stack.
> >
> > No.
> > It doesn't.
> >
> > --
> > -Mark Wieder
> >  ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 10:36:20 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 09:36:20 -0600
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <52F4F4B4.6030009@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F4F4B4.6030009@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpiAU_g_3WXYvoJMFb88AzRhpWCK1u2ncku-sBdq_5Yow@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Geoff,
>
> I completely agree. I have a 16GB account and keep a backup of my active
> project folder on Dropbox and, which has saved me a few times.
>
> Anyone else reading this: if you want to register for Dropbox quickly, you
> can follow this link http://qery.us/u6
>

I had no idea that dropbox has an affiliate program. I guess I should post
a link as well so people can flip a coin: https://db.tt/cmupVN7Q


From bogdanoff at me.com  Fri Feb  7 10:55:55 2014
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 07:55:55 -0800
Subject: Setting a fade in/out of a group
In-Reply-To: <CF19D69E.3A755%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <1CD857DA-4526-4541-B6A4-131B7D03C329@me.com>
	<CF19D69E.3A755%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <82C28940-1C90-434A-BCE0-D25116C4D843@me.com>

Thanks, Scott.

So I put a transparent button into the group on top of all the others. The effect now works great. But how do I send a mouseClick to the other buttons in the group that are underneath it?

Peter

On Feb 7, 2014, at 12:21 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Hi Peter:
> 
> You need an object in the group to trap the mouse messages.  Add a
> transparent button or graphic whose blendLevel is set to 100 that spans
> the width/height of the group.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/6/14 11:21 PM, "Peter Bogdanoff" <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Does a group receive mouse messages the same way as another control, such
>> as a button?
>> 
>> I have a control panel that I want to fade in and out with mouse enter
>> and leave. The control panel is a group containing a number of buttons. I
>> have a group script with mouseEnter and mouseLeave handlers to to do the
>> fade of the group.
>> 
>> The group script seems to receive the mouse messages from the individual
>> buttons within the group (as expected). But I only want the group itself
>> to respond to the mouse. If I trap the mouseEnter and mouseLeave messages
>> in each element of the group nothing happens. The group itself doesn't
>> seem to respond to the mouse.
>> 
>> Without the trapped messages in each element the problem is a strobing
>> effect as the mouse is moved horizontally and enters and leaves the
>> individual buttons. Again, trapping those messages makes nothing happen
>> as the group itself doesn't seem to be responding to the mouse movement.
>> 
>> I'm using LC 6.1.3.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Peter Bogdanoff
>> UCLA
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From mfstuart at cox.net  Fri Feb  7 11:01:52 2014
From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:01:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] The last few copies of Programming LivCode for the Real
	Beginner
In-Reply-To: <52F4EF8E.4060102@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <52F4EF8E.4060102@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <1391788912597-4675568.post@n4.nabble.com>

Mr. Schonewille,
Please save me one as I just ordered your book.

Mark Stuart



-----
Regards,
Mark Stuart
-----------
LC 4.6.4
LC Community 6.1
WinXP/7/8
32bit and 64bit
--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-The-last-few-copies-of-Programming-LivCode-for-the-Real-Beginner-tp4675562p4675568.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb  7 11:00:56 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:00:56 -0800
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11426104111.20140207080056@ahsoftware.net>

Geoff-

Friday, February 7, 2014, 6:50:25 AM, you wrote:

> It's not git, but as a file-level resource it's a 1000x better than
> nothing. I borked up some code last night (never try to solve a problem at
> 3am that stumped you at 9pm) so I'm really happy that I can just revert to
> the 9pm version and forget whatever it is I did later on.

That has saved my bacon more times than several.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb  7 11:06:48 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 17:06:48 +0100
Subject: [OT] The last few copies of Programming LivCode for the Real
	Beginner
In-Reply-To: <1391788912597-4675568.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <52F4EF8E.4060102@economy-x-talk.com>
	<1391788912597-4675568.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <52F50498.90708@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Mr. Stuart,

I'll make sure that you get a copy.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/7/2014 17:01, Mark Stuart wrote:
> Mr. Schonewille,
> Please save me one as I just ordered your book.
>
> Mark Stuart
>




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb  7 11:07:53 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:07:53 -0800
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqmxtEKdQAEy8FM5uMQ3Rz4Y+qHJ7t0vj=iYbv_e1VKOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqmxtEKdQAEy8FM5uMQ3Rz4Y+qHJ7t0vj=iYbv_e1VKOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <104426521230.20140207080753@ahsoftware.net>

Mike-

Friday, February 7, 2014, 7:08:29 AM, you wrote:

> Its also probable I should have typed it clearer.. use "of me" instead.
>  "This" refers to the current card of the default stack.

I'm not concerned about your use of "this" or "current". But "me" is
the object that generated the send or dispatch message. If you want
the message to end up going to the card, direct it to the card, not to
me.

If me sends or dispatches a message to me, me will get the message.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From paulhibbert at mac.com  Fri Feb  7 11:23:27 2014
From: paulhibbert at mac.com (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 08:23:27 -0800
Subject: [OT] PopClip for Mac - a very useful utility
In-Reply-To: <F48AE0C6-A70F-4E47-A3EA-286DE4220687@numericable.com>
References: <6C4DA1A0-FCE6-4414-9913-496873F7DD48@thehales.id.au>
	<F48AE0C6-A70F-4E47-A3EA-286DE4220687@numericable.com>
Message-ID: <3D82DDEB-005F-4BB6-A94F-FF46A2929A24@mac.com>

Me too! Make sure you check out the extensions, especially Swap & Paste=, I use them all the time.

Paul


On 2014-02-06, at 11:57 PM, Ren? Micout <rene.micout at numericable.com> wrote:

> Yes ! I love it !
> 
> Le 7 f?vr. 2014 ? 07:04, James Hale <james at thehales.id.au> a ?crit :
> 
>> I must admit I really enjoy trying out new utilities and apps on my Mac.
>> Recently I came across this little gem PopClip.
>> It basically replicates the pop up menu seen in iOS when any text is selected.
>> Select some text and there it is, ready to ignore or click on one of its options.
>> 
>> I mention it here as I have recently returned to LC and have found how useful it is while editing scripts.
>> 
>> Anyway you can check it out here: http://pilotmoon.com/popclip/
>> Or go to the Mac App Store. At $4.99 it is pretty cheap.
>> 
>> James
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From alain.vezina at logilangue.com  Fri Feb  7 11:49:11 2014
From: alain.vezina at logilangue.com (Alain Vezina)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 11:49:11 -0500
Subject: new way closing a stack in IOS 7
Message-ID: <A8928ED7-2B17-4292-82A2-90DEED4FEB7A@logilangue.com>

Hi All,

You know that in IOS 7 there is a way to pass from one app to another : you double press the home button and all the active apps appear in a row, letting you browse from one to another without closing anyone of them. If you want to close any app of this row, you push it up.

So, I would like to find the way to do this in LC 6.5. I spent 2 hours in the dictionary and in the tutorials without finding any clue for that question.

I am also wondering to what extend Apple obliges developers to be IOS 7 in their apps : I am talking about background image, buttons shape, icons,  colors and so on.

Regards

Alain V?zina
Logilangue
514-596-1385
www.logilangue.com


From dochawk at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 11:49:35 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 08:49:35 -0800
Subject: referring to a file on the local network by name?
In-Reply-To: <FA331884-26F6-420C-B6EB-589F872E635F@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CANQHZSEDuiOACSYADHW=82p8_C7K7vpKBG9gjCjoPTCk95OMAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<FA331884-26F6-420C-B6EB-589F872E635F@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEpzrQ8XemUJjGrpF-zNMLTvTLp0P=LC0eV4i+S4uV4rw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> So after thinking about it for a while, it seems you can enumerate the
> folders in /Volumes fairly easily. BTW, you should NOT be ending up with a
> folder called Joe-1 unless something has gone wrong with your connection
> while you were connected to Joe.
>

Sure, but it seems to happen on a regular basis with our NAS drive.  And it
doesn't go away until my rare reboots.



> No matter though. If there is a Joe and a Joe-1, any attempt to connect to
> Joe should fail, unless you actually have two share points legitimately
> named Joe on two different servers, in which case I need to come over and
> punk slap your IT person (assuming it's not you). ;-)
>

Nah, it' just the one place.   Bur it seems common enough that I need to
program around it.


>
> Barring that, what you are seeing is a stranded dynamic link, which in
> theory should never happen these days. It *should* resolve itself upon
> reboot, but of course you cannot depend on the condition being optimal.
> What version of the OS are you running btw? I've seen this long ago, but I
> thought that Apple had fixed this. The Connect to Server option in the
> Finder should not be allowing you to make multiple simultaneous connections
> to the same share point.
>


I'm using Mountain Lion still.  I'm trying to find a way to start the
included postgres server without OS X Server before I let Mavericks take
over.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From endernafi at keehuna.com  Fri Feb  7 11:57:04 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:57:04 +0200
Subject: new way closing a stack in IOS 7
In-Reply-To: <A8928ED7-2B17-4292-82A2-90DEED4FEB7A@logilangue.com>
References: <A8928ED7-2B17-4292-82A2-90DEED4FEB7A@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52f51065.2eb141f2.129f2@fdbqMacBookPro.local>

Hi Alain,

I think what you?re asking is in fact *how to keep alive your app even in the background*;
then this is what you need:
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=18888#p95224

And here is the answer of your second question:
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/MobileHIG/IconMatrix.html


Best,

~ Ender Nafi


From:?Alain Vezina?Alain Vezina
Reply:?Alain Vezina?alain.vezina at logilangue.com
Date:?February 7, 2014 at 18:49:46
To:?use-livecode at lists.runrev.com?use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:??new way closing a stack in IOS 7?
Hi All,?

You know that in IOS 7 there is a way to pass from one app to another : you double press the home button and all the active apps appear in a row, letting you browse from one to another without closing anyone of them. If you want to close any app of this row, you push it up.?

So, I would like to find the way to do this in LC 6.5. I spent 2 hours in the dictionary and in the tutorials without finding any clue for that question.?

I am also wondering to what extend Apple obliges developers to be IOS 7 in their apps : I am talking about background image, buttons shape, icons, colors and so on.?

Regards?

Alain V?zina?
Logilangue?
514-596-1385?
www.logilangue.com?
_______________________________________________?
use-livecode mailing list?
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com?
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:?
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode?

From endernafi at keehuna.com  Fri Feb  7 11:59:22 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:59:22 +0200
Subject: new way closing a stack in IOS 7
In-Reply-To: <A8928ED7-2B17-4292-82A2-90DEED4FEB7A@logilangue.com>
References: <A8928ED7-2B17-4292-82A2-90DEED4FEB7A@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52f510ef.515f007c.129f2@fdbqMacBookPro.local>

Hi Alain,

I think what you?re asking is in fact *how to keep alive your app even in the background*;
then this is what you need:
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=18888#p95224

And here is the answer of your second question:
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/MobileHIG/IconMatrix.html


Best,

~ Ender Nafi


From:?Alain Vezina Alain Vezina
Reply:?Alain Vezina alain.vezina at logilangue.com
Date:?February 7, 2014 at 18:49:46
To:?use-livecode at lists.runrev.com use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:? new way closing a stack in IOS 7  
Hi All,  

You know that in IOS 7 there is a way to pass from one app to another : you double press the home button and all the active apps appear in a row, letting you browse from one to another without closing anyone of them. If you want to close any app of this row, you push it up.  

So, I would like to find the way to do this in LC 6.5. I spent 2 hours in the dictionary and in the tutorials without finding any clue for that question.  

I am also wondering to what extend Apple obliges developers to be IOS 7 in their apps : I am talking about background image, buttons shape, icons, colors and so on.  

Regards  

Alain V?zina  
Logilangue  
514-596-1385  
www.logilangue.com  
_______________________________________________  
use-livecode mailing list  
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 12:02:29 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 10:02:29 -0700
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <104426521230.20140207080753@ahsoftware.net>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqmxtEKdQAEy8FM5uMQ3Rz4Y+qHJ7t0vj=iYbv_e1VKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<104426521230.20140207080753@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqjMduaF5Kq+WwHMxgK3Z9Gzrq4Rod9GUiP6dP5YkK8yQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ah k. I understand what you're saying now.

The OP points out that "put the short name of this card" is returning the
current card (as per the dictionary, and the behavior in the OP matches
this.)
If things remain the same and the message is "sent" to the card itself
(like it was in the OP) then the handler in the card can "put the short
name of me" and it will work because the handler is executing in the card,
but if the message is sent to an object on a card "the short name of me"
will return the object name not the card name. So one would have to do
something else to get the card name. (get the long name and parse, or go up
the "owner" tree till you get there if there are groups involved)  So I
guess the OP example is a bit silly since if you're sending to the card
specifically you already know what it is and if you must, can pass it as a
parameter as part of the send.

Curious now though, is there an easy way to get the owning card name of an
object that is sent to without parsing or tree crawling?


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Mike-
>
> Friday, February 7, 2014, 7:08:29 AM, you wrote:
>
> > Its also probable I should have typed it clearer.. use "of me" instead.
> >  "This" refers to the current card of the default stack.
>
> I'm not concerned about your use of "this" or "current". But "me" is
> the object that generated the send or dispatch message. If you want
> the message to end up going to the card, direct it to the card, not to
> me.
>
> If me sends or dispatches a message to me, me will get the message.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 12:13:15 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 19:13:15 +0200
Subject: Devawriter Pro and PISMO
Message-ID: <52F5142B.1060207@gmail.com>

My Devawriter Pro (for Sanskrit) has had a significant upgrade, and 
version 1.5.1 may be obtained here:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/dwriterpro.html

My PISMO (for Old Slavic) has been upgraded, and version 0.3 may be 
obtained here:

http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/LANGTOOLS.html

Richmond.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb  7 13:07:26 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 10:07:26 -0800
Subject: Setting a fade in/out of a group
In-Reply-To: <82C28940-1C90-434A-BCE0-D25116C4D843@me.com>
References: <82C28940-1C90-434A-BCE0-D25116C4D843@me.com>
Message-ID: <52F520DE.6090106@fourthworld.com>

Peter Bogdanoff wrote:

 > So I put a transparent button into the group on top of all the
 > others. The effect now works great. But how do I send a mouseClick
 > to the other buttons in the group that are underneath it?

Move the transparent button behind the others?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb  7 13:19:33 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:19:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Send and the context
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqmxtEKdQAEy8FM5uMQ3Rz4Y+qHJ7t0vj=iYbv_e1VKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<104426521230.20140207080753@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAG1cpSqjMduaF5Kq+WwHMxgK3Z9Gzrq4Rod9GUiP6dP5YkK8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20140207T191254-833@post.gmane.org>

Mike Bonner <bonnmike at ...> writes:

> Curious now though, is there an easy way to get the owning card name of an
> object that is sent to without parsing or tree crawling?

What do you mean by "without parsing"?

put the long id of me into tLongname
put word -4 of tLongname into tCardname
if word -5 of tLongname is "id" then
  put "card id " before tCardname
end if

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb  7 14:11:55 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:11:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Medieval Unicode Font Initiative
Message-ID: <loom.20140207T201031-870@post.gmane.org>

In case unicode is getting too easy to deal with,

http://www.mufi.info/

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 14:39:13 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 21:39:13 +0200
Subject: Medieval Unicode Font Initiative
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140207T201031-870@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140207T201031-870@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <52F53661.4050602@gmail.com>

On 07/02/14 21:11, Mark Wieder wrote:
> In case unicode is getting too easy to deal with,
>
> http://www.mufi.info/
>

  Dead Muffy . . .

this has been going on for yonks:

it isn't really a problem as such as the Unicode 'thang' has loads of 
empty planes:

we'll park all those dead letters somewhere up near the svarga-lokas

and be bicycling back to Vaikuntha before we know it.

Chill :)

Richmond.



From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb  7 14:42:12 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 11:42:12 -0800
Subject: Relayering a control
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqrRUuarODJHjG6LNPkqC3DP4q81HfyQwmNeT+4QUiTAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eMAY8cEu5=4KnqnETH+HVO_UAnLkJ7RMFSRY_UMbcNXnQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqrRUuarODJHjG6LNPkqC3DP4q81HfyQwmNeT+4QUiTAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOdp0p27=Z=ggSBiq8x7U_NM-K1kDgt7jbL5Ga8pG1+ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Marty and Geoff.

It appears the relayer command was introduced in LC 6.1.  I need to do this
in my lcStackbrowser plugin and I'm reluctant to force people to have at
least 6.1 so I need to find a solution without using relayer.

I think I see the problem now.  The error I get when I have
relayerGroupedControls set to false refers to the source group.  Coupled
with that, Geoff's first example seems to work now - must have messed
something up in my original code.

ANother thing that caught me out is that, although I set the layer of the
control to 7, it actually ends up as layer 6 because of the automatic
relayering that happens by removing the control from the first group.


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> If your setup looks like this:
>
> group id 1007 [1007]
> |  button "Button" [1004]
> |  button "Button" [1009]
> group id 1011 [1011]
> |  button "Button" [1010]
> |  button "Button" [1012]
>
> Then this:
>
> on mouseUp
>    set relayergroupedcontrols to true
>    set the layer of btn 2 to 7
> end mouseUp
>
> will give the desired result:
>
> group id 1007 [1007]
> |  button "Button" [1004]
> group id 1011 [1011]
> |  button "Button" [1010]
> |  button "Button" [1012]
> button "Button" [1009]
>
> But if your setup is this:
>
> group id 1007 [1007]
> |  button "Button" [1004]
> |  button "Button" [1009]
> group id 1011 [1011]
> |  button "Button" [1010]
> |  button "Button" [1012]
> button "Button" [1016]
>
> it will result in this:
>
> group id 1007 [1007]
> |  button "Button" [1004]
> group id 1011 [1011]
> |  button "Button" [1010]
> |  button "Button" [1012]
> button "Button" [1016]
> button "Button" [1009]
>
> while this:
>
> on mouseUp
>    set relayergroupedcontrols to true
>    set the layer of btn 2 to 6
> end mouseUp
>
> will result in this:
>
> group id 1007 [1007]
> |  button "Button" [1004]
> group id 1011 [1011]
> |  button "Button" [1010]
> |  button "Button" [1012]
> |  button "Button" [1009]
> button "Button" [1016]
>
> I think this will give the desired result in all circumstances:
>
> on mouseUp
>
>    set relayergroupedcontrols to true
>
>    relayer btn 2 after grp 2
>
> end mouseUp
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > Let's say I have a card with the following control structure
> >
> > GroupA (layer 1)
> >   ControlA1 (layer 2)
> >   ControlA2 (layer 3)
> > GroupB (layer 4)
> >   ControlB1 (layer 5)
> >   ControlB2 (layer 6)
> >
> > I need to change the layer of control A2 by script to 7 and it should not
> > be a member of GroupB.
> >
> > If I set relayerGroupedControls to true before changing ControlA2's
> layer,
> > it becomes a member of GroupB.
> >
> > If I set the relayerGroupedControls to false, I get a runtime error that
> > the control or group is not open (the card is open).
> >
> > What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb  7 15:31:18 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 12:31:18 -0800
Subject: Relayering a control
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOdp0p27=Z=ggSBiq8x7U_NM-K1kDgt7jbL5Ga8pG1+ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eMAY8cEu5=4KnqnETH+HVO_UAnLkJ7RMFSRY_UMbcNXnQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqrRUuarODJHjG6LNPkqC3DP4q81HfyQwmNeT+4QUiTAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eOdp0p27=Z=ggSBiq8x7U_NM-K1kDgt7jbL5Ga8pG1+ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3A7B4B9-1668-4B76-AC0A-028B1F478226@tactilemedia.com>

Trevor Devore wrote a set of scripts that does the same relayering as "relayer"( how he ever figured this out I have no idea). Look in the mail archives or maybe the forums, maybe visit his Blue Mango site.  If you can't dig it up, email me off list.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design

> On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Marty and Geoff.
> 
> It appears the relayer command was introduced in LC 6.1.  I need to do this
> in my lcStackbrowser plugin and I'm reluctant to force people to have at
> least 6.1 so I need to find a solution without using relayer.
> 
> I think I see the problem now.  The error I get when I have
> relayerGroupedControls set to false refers to the source group.  Coupled
> with that, Geoff's first example seems to work now - must have messed
> something up in my original code.
> 
> ANother thing that caught me out is that, although I set the layer of the
> control to 7, it actually ends up as layer 6 because of the automatic
> relayering that happens by removing the control from the first group.
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If your setup looks like this:
>> 
>> group id 1007 [1007]
>> |  button "Button" [1004]
>> |  button "Button" [1009]
>> group id 1011 [1011]
>> |  button "Button" [1010]
>> |  button "Button" [1012]
>> 
>> Then this:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   set relayergroupedcontrols to true
>>   set the layer of btn 2 to 7
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> will give the desired result:
>> 
>> group id 1007 [1007]
>> |  button "Button" [1004]
>> group id 1011 [1011]
>> |  button "Button" [1010]
>> |  button "Button" [1012]
>> button "Button" [1009]
>> 
>> But if your setup is this:
>> 
>> group id 1007 [1007]
>> |  button "Button" [1004]
>> |  button "Button" [1009]
>> group id 1011 [1011]
>> |  button "Button" [1010]
>> |  button "Button" [1012]
>> button "Button" [1016]
>> 
>> it will result in this:
>> 
>> group id 1007 [1007]
>> |  button "Button" [1004]
>> group id 1011 [1011]
>> |  button "Button" [1010]
>> |  button "Button" [1012]
>> button "Button" [1016]
>> button "Button" [1009]
>> 
>> while this:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   set relayergroupedcontrols to true
>>   set the layer of btn 2 to 6
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> will result in this:
>> 
>> group id 1007 [1007]
>> |  button "Button" [1004]
>> group id 1011 [1011]
>> |  button "Button" [1010]
>> |  button "Button" [1012]
>> |  button "Button" [1009]
>> button "Button" [1016]
>> 
>> I think this will give the desired result in all circumstances:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>> 
>>   set relayergroupedcontrols to true
>> 
>>   relayer btn 2 after grp 2
>> 
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let's say I have a card with the following control structure
>>> 
>>> GroupA (layer 1)
>>>  ControlA1 (layer 2)
>>>  ControlA2 (layer 3)
>>> GroupB (layer 4)
>>>  ControlB1 (layer 5)
>>>  ControlB2 (layer 6)
>>> 
>>> I need to change the layer of control A2 by script to 7 and it should not
>>> be a member of GroupB.
>>> 
>>> If I set relayerGroupedControls to true before changing ControlA2's
>> layer,
>>> it becomes a member of GroupB.
>>> 
>>> If I set the relayerGroupedControls to false, I get a runtime error that
>>> the control or group is not open (the card is open).
>>> 
>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 



From bornstein at designeq.com  Fri Feb  7 15:36:19 2014
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 12:36:19 -0800
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtS2Vuafqk5RSZjLHDfGgoAOPX_XzDLXjCj9ADPYRrNSMg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Geoff,

I've been using Scott Rossi's trick of putting a "player app" in Dropbox
and having it load in my current stack into IOS via a text link. (
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2012-February/167981.html)

It is so helpful to be able to make a change in my current app in the
editor on my computer, save the stack to Dropbox, and have the changes
immediately appear in my IOS app on my iPhone.

However, I don't see the stack versioning you describe in any of my stack
files on Dropbox. Is there something specific one needs to do in order to
invoke this characteristic of Dropbox?

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure if this has been posted before, but just in case: If you store
> your stack files in the dropbox folder on your computer, dropbox does a
> really good job of saving a copy of each separate file whenever the file is
> saved. You can look at a list of the saved versions and get/restore any of
> them.
>
> It's not git, but as a file-level resource it's a 1000x better than
> nothing. I borked up some code last night (never try to solve a problem at
> 3am that stumped you at 9pm) so I'm really happy that I can just revert to
> the 9pm version and forget whatever it is I did later on.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb  7 15:37:20 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 12:37:20 -0800
Subject: Setting a fade in/out of a group
In-Reply-To: <52F520DE.6090106@fourthworld.com>
References: <82C28940-1C90-434A-BCE0-D25116C4D843@me.com>
	<52F520DE.6090106@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <80D89964-B710-488C-B9B7-92EAF39E1931@tactilemedia.com>

Yes, make the button the first (bottom) control in the group.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design

> On Feb 7, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
> 
> > So I put a transparent button into the group on top of all the
> > others. The effect now works great. But how do I send a mouseClick
> > to the other buttons in the group that are underneath it?
> 
> Move the transparent button behind the others?
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Fri Feb  7 16:08:30 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 21:08:30 +0000
Subject: GPS Speed on IOS
In-Reply-To: <52F475B3.5070709@braguglia.ch>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A28326A056C@MHSEXC02.westrac.com.au>,
	<52F475B3.5070709@braguglia.ch>
Message-ID: <41E1F608-3157-4F8F-A6AA-F097707BAD49@westrac.com.au>

Oh okay, the speed value didn't work on version 5.5.X  so that is great if it now works.

I'll give it a try and see what happens..

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Feb 2014, at 4:57 pm, "Guglielmo Braguglia" <guglielmo at braguglia.ch> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> you don't have to "calculate" speed ...
> ... starting from, if I remember, LiveCode 6.1, you have "speed" (and "course") included in Location info. From old iOS release notes :
> 
> "Location -- a comma separated list of the latitude, longitude and altitude of the device. If detailed is true an array containing the keys latitude, longitude, altitude, time stamp, horizontal accuracy, vertical accuracy, speed and course is returned.
> If the latitude and longitude could not be measured, those values together with the horizontal accuracy key will not be present. If the altitude could not be measured, that value together with the vertical accuracy will not be present."
> 
> Hope this help.
> 
> Guglielmo
> 
> 
>> Nakia Brewer <mailto:Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>
>> 7 Feb 2014 04:08 am
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just wondering if anyone has done anything with an in App contained way of calculating speed with the available outputs from mobile location feature on
>> iOS? This App may be used in places without internet coverage so calling to the google API etc is a no go.
>> 
>> Appreciate any thoughts..
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 

COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb  7 16:58:36 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 13:58:36 -0800
Subject: Relayering a control
In-Reply-To: <C3A7B4B9-1668-4B76-AC0A-028B1F478226@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7eMAY8cEu5=4KnqnETH+HVO_UAnLkJ7RMFSRY_UMbcNXnQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtqrRUuarODJHjG6LNPkqC3DP4q81HfyQwmNeT+4QUiTAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eOdp0p27=Z=ggSBiq8x7U_NM-K1kDgt7jbL5Ga8pG1+ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3A7B4B9-1668-4B76-AC0A-028B1F478226@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOniPYaOnafEKGw+=CP0p_8_U8nRPyHJsKDQjJ9s2OH_g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Scott, I found it in RevOnline and will give it a whirl.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Trevor Devore wrote a set of scripts that does the same relayering as
> "relayer"( how he ever figured this out I have no idea). Look in the mail
> archives or maybe the forums, maybe visit his Blue Mango site.  If you
> can't dig it up, email me off list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
>
> > On Feb 7, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Marty and Geoff.
> >
> > It appears the relayer command was introduced in LC 6.1.  I need to do
> this
> > in my lcStackbrowser plugin and I'm reluctant to force people to have at
> > least 6.1 so I need to find a solution without using relayer.
> >
> > I think I see the problem now.  The error I get when I have
> > relayerGroupedControls set to false refers to the source group.  Coupled
> > with that, Geoff's first example seems to work now - must have messed
> > something up in my original code.
> >
> > ANother thing that caught me out is that, although I set the layer of the
> > control to 7, it actually ends up as layer 6 because of the automatic
> > relayering that happens by removing the control from the first group.
> >
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> If your setup looks like this:
> >>
> >> group id 1007 [1007]
> >> |  button "Button" [1004]
> >> |  button "Button" [1009]
> >> group id 1011 [1011]
> >> |  button "Button" [1010]
> >> |  button "Button" [1012]
> >>
> >> Then this:
> >>
> >> on mouseUp
> >>   set relayergroupedcontrols to true
> >>   set the layer of btn 2 to 7
> >> end mouseUp
> >>
> >> will give the desired result:
> >>
> >> group id 1007 [1007]
> >> |  button "Button" [1004]
> >> group id 1011 [1011]
> >> |  button "Button" [1010]
> >> |  button "Button" [1012]
> >> button "Button" [1009]
> >>
> >> But if your setup is this:
> >>
> >> group id 1007 [1007]
> >> |  button "Button" [1004]
> >> |  button "Button" [1009]
> >> group id 1011 [1011]
> >> |  button "Button" [1010]
> >> |  button "Button" [1012]
> >> button "Button" [1016]
> >>
> >> it will result in this:
> >>
> >> group id 1007 [1007]
> >> |  button "Button" [1004]
> >> group id 1011 [1011]
> >> |  button "Button" [1010]
> >> |  button "Button" [1012]
> >> button "Button" [1016]
> >> button "Button" [1009]
> >>
> >> while this:
> >>
> >> on mouseUp
> >>   set relayergroupedcontrols to true
> >>   set the layer of btn 2 to 6
> >> end mouseUp
> >>
> >> will result in this:
> >>
> >> group id 1007 [1007]
> >> |  button "Button" [1004]
> >> group id 1011 [1011]
> >> |  button "Button" [1010]
> >> |  button "Button" [1012]
> >> |  button "Button" [1009]
> >> button "Button" [1016]
> >>
> >> I think this will give the desired result in all circumstances:
> >>
> >> on mouseUp
> >>
> >>   set relayergroupedcontrols to true
> >>
> >>   relayer btn 2 after grp 2
> >>
> >> end mouseUp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Let's say I have a card with the following control structure
> >>>
> >>> GroupA (layer 1)
> >>>  ControlA1 (layer 2)
> >>>  ControlA2 (layer 3)
> >>> GroupB (layer 4)
> >>>  ControlB1 (layer 5)
> >>>  ControlB2 (layer 6)
> >>>
> >>> I need to change the layer of control A2 by script to 7 and it should
> not
> >>> be a member of GroupB.
> >>>
> >>> If I set relayerGroupedControls to true before changing ControlA2's
> >> layer,
> >>> it becomes a member of GroupB.
> >>>
> >>> If I set the relayerGroupedControls to false, I get a runtime error
> that
> >>> the control or group is not open (the card is open).
> >>>
> >>> What am I doing wrong?
> >>>
> >>> Pete
> >>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> >>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> >>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bogdanoff at me.com  Fri Feb  7 17:14:33 2014
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 14:14:33 -0800
Subject: Setting a fade in/out of a group
In-Reply-To: <80D89964-B710-488C-B9B7-92EAF39E1931@tactilemedia.com>
References: <82C28940-1C90-434A-BCE0-D25116C4D843@me.com>
	<52F520DE.6090106@fourthworld.com>
	<80D89964-B710-488C-B9B7-92EAF39E1931@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <382D6EAD-DFF7-4943-A0C8-3B96840C91A0@me.com>

Yes, making it the bottom control now works great for a mouseEnter/fade in.

However, mouseLeave/fade out is the problem. For as soon as the mouse enters one of the other controls that are layered higher up, the mouseLeave is triggered and the fade out happens (while the mouse is still in the group's rectangle).

The mouseLeave needs to be part of something, but I haven't yet figured out where. Moving it to the group script itself doesn't fix it.

??

Peter


On Feb 7, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Yes, make the button the first (bottom) control in the group.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
>> 
>>> So I put a transparent button into the group on top of all the
>>> others. The effect now works great. But how do I send a mouseClick
>>> to the other buttons in the group that are underneath it?
>> 
>> Move the transparent button behind the others?
>> 
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World
>> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>> Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb  7 17:56:57 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 14:56:57 -0800
Subject: Setting a fade in/out of a group
In-Reply-To: <382D6EAD-DFF7-4943-A0C8-3B96840C91A0@me.com>
References: <82C28940-1C90-434A-BCE0-D25116C4D843@me.com>
	<52F520DE.6090106@fourthworld.com>
	<80D89964-B710-488C-B9B7-92EAF39E1931@tactilemedia.com>
	<382D6EAD-DFF7-4943-A0C8-3B96840C91A0@me.com>
Message-ID: <CF1A9FA8.3A938%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Yeah, you need to qualify what triggers the fade.  Try placing the
mouseLeave handler in the group script, something like:

on mouseLeave
   if short name of the target is "myTransButton" and not
within(me,mouseLoc()) then doFade
   . . .
end mouseLeave

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 2/7/14 2:14 PM, "Peter Bogdanoff" <bogdanoff at me.com> wrote:

>Yes, making it the bottom control now works great for a mouseEnter/fade
>in.
>
>However, mouseLeave/fade out is the problem. For as soon as the mouse
>enters one of the other controls that are layered higher up, the
>mouseLeave is triggered and the fade out happens (while the mouse is
>still in the group's rectangle).
>
>The mouseLeave needs to be part of something, but I haven't yet figured
>out where. Moving it to the group script itself doesn't fix it.
>
>??
>
>Peter
>
>
>On Feb 7, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> Yes, make the button the first (bottom) control in the group.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX Design
>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Richard Gaskin
>>><ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Peter Bogdanoff wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So I put a transparent button into the group on top of all the
>>>> others. The effect now works great. But how do I send a mouseClick
>>>> to the other buttons in the group that are underneath it?
>>> 
>>> Move the transparent button behind the others?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World
>>> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>>> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>>> Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>





From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Feb  7 18:00:14 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 15:00:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
In-Reply-To: <1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <267AA3F2-28DE-4BEB-AB02-AADCC99FDDA5@dsa-net.dk>
	<1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>

there is a new version of a stack that traces transparent images 

http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19040&p=96086#p96086

It extracts transparency info from maskData and renders the shapes as
graphic.

Now renders all subshapes also.

Kind regards
Bernd



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Tracing-Stack-was-the-points-of-graphic-tp4674846p4675591.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb  7 18:26:51 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:26:51 -0800
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
In-Reply-To: <1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <267AA3F2-28DE-4BEB-AB02-AADCC99FDDA5@dsa-net.dk>
	<1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CF1AAB22.3A975%scott@tactilemedia.com>

That's pretty awesome Bernd -- works well on a complex image.  :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 2/7/14 3:00 PM, "BNig" <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

>there is a new version of a stack that traces transparent images
>
>http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19040&p=96086#p96086
>
>It extracts transparency info from maskData and renders the shapes as
>graphic.
>
>Now renders all subshapes also.
>
>Kind regards
>Bernd
>
>
>
>--
>View this message in context:
>http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Tracing-Stack-was-the-point
>s-of-graphic-tp4674846p4675591.html
>Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>





From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Feb  7 18:58:35 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 18:58:35 -0500
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
In-Reply-To: <1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <267AA3F2-28DE-4BEB-AB02-AADCC99FDDA5@dsa-net.dk>
	<1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNNMecaq3HoHJwbBmR+2wfjVgo_g26A9J+kSdgur9uAug@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice!  Should be added as a LifeCode feature!

~Roger


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 6:00 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

> there is a new version of a stack that traces transparent images
>
> http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19040&p=96086#p96086
>
> It extracts transparency info from maskData and renders the shapes as
> graphic.
>
> Now renders all subshapes also.
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Tracing-Stack-was-the-points-of-graphic-tp4674846p4675591.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>


From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Feb  7 19:21:54 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 16:21:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
In-Reply-To: <CF1AAB22.3A975%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <267AA3F2-28DE-4BEB-AB02-AADCC99FDDA5@dsa-net.dk>
	<1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CF1AAB22.3A975%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <1391818914236-4675594.post@n4.nabble.com>

Roger, Scott,

thank you. 

Just wait for the colorTrace version (hint, hint) For early version testers
contact me by mail.

Kind regards
Bernd



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Tracing-Stack-was-the-points-of-graphic-tp4674846p4675594.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Feb  7 19:41:25 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:41:25 -0500
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
In-Reply-To: <1391818914236-4675594.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <267AA3F2-28DE-4BEB-AB02-AADCC99FDDA5@dsa-net.dk>
	<1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CF1AAB22.3A975%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<1391818914236-4675594.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXP-cC-A5fJYsjwTotnyRDQ4K+HWTeDKQ__gFEBDxi-PbA@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a few color images that might be good for tests.


http://retoucher07030.deviantart.com/art/LCARS-Color-Palette-156731034

http://retoucher07030.deviantart.com/art/LCARS-Vector-Shapes-156730231

http://retoucher07030.deviantart.com/art/Trek-XI-Starfleet-Insignias-104044489

http://retoucher07030.deviantart.com/art/Star-Trek-Tech-Custom-Shapes-125244439


Uhm, I might be a bit of a Treckie.  >:-\

~Roger


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:21 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

> Roger, Scott,
>
> thank you.
>
> Just wait for the colorTrace version (hint, hint) For early version testers
> contact me by mail.
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Tracing-Stack-was-the-points-of-graphic-tp4674846p4675594.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Fri Feb  7 19:44:49 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 19:44:49 -0500
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXP-cC-A5fJYsjwTotnyRDQ4K+HWTeDKQ__gFEBDxi-PbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267AA3F2-28DE-4BEB-AB02-AADCC99FDDA5@dsa-net.dk>
	<1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CF1AAB22.3A975%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<1391818914236-4675594.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAAT6EXP-cC-A5fJYsjwTotnyRDQ4K+HWTeDKQ__gFEBDxi-PbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXP5uY-W9HR9e5CoMb3JFkR_hq1dCth_XKdmaHcVqSsmMA@mail.gmail.com>

FAIL!  I can't even spell "Trekkie".  ;-D

~Roger


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>wrote:

> Here's a few color images that might be good for tests.
>
>
> http://retoucher07030.deviantart.com/art/LCARS-Color-Palette-156731034
>
> http://retoucher07030.deviantart.com/art/LCARS-Vector-Shapes-156730231
>
>
> http://retoucher07030.deviantart.com/art/Trek-XI-Starfleet-Insignias-104044489
>
>
> http://retoucher07030.deviantart.com/art/Star-Trek-Tech-Custom-Shapes-125244439
>
>
> Uhm, I might be a bit of a Treckie.  >:-\
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 7:21 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
>
>> Roger, Scott,
>>
>> thank you.
>>
>> Just wait for the colorTrace version (hint, hint) For early version
>> testers
>> contact me by mail.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Tracing-Stack-was-the-points-of-graphic-tp4674846p4675594.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb  7 23:28:18 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2014 20:28:18 -0800
Subject: Why Programming is Difficult
Message-ID: <102470944943.20140207202818@ahsoftware.net>

All-

Interesting article:

<http://joearms.github.io/2014/02/07/why-programming-is-difficult.html>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sat Feb  8 00:06:39 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 05:06:39 +0000
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E87C2EB-E860-454B-ADA0-C27B2809F38E@iotecdigital.com>

Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled. 

Bob


On Feb 6, 2014, at 10:06 , Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

> How profound: All instruments of law are imposed and maintained by force
> and threats.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:
> 
>> I've come up with a saying some years ago. Anything is constitutional that
>> no man is willing to resist. Nothing is constitutional that no man is
>> willing to defend. (Substitute "constitutional for whatever instrument of
>> law your particular country subscribes to).
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 3, 2014, at 19:18 , stephen barncard <
>> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Not amusing to the look and feel people at Apple.
>>> 
>>> the Icons are copied or very close. Not to mention about 20 other things.
>>> Can 'they' get away with this?
>>> 
>>> sqb
>>> 
>>> *--*
>>> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It has a strong resemblance to the Pear Linux distro, which does a fine
>> job
>>>> of being Mac-like as well.
>>>> 
>>>> At 7:10 in the video below, the "star" is probably just a coincidence,
>>>> so... yeah...
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HAZTHK869A
>>>> 
>>>> ~Roger
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Especially if you would like it to be more Windows or OSX like:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://www.northkoreatech.org/2014/01/31/north-koreas-red-star-os-goes-mac/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Andrew Kluthe
> andrew at ctech.me
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sat Feb  8 01:34:40 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 06:34:40 +0000
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqjMduaF5Kq+WwHMxgK3Z9Gzrq4Rod9GUiP6dP5YkK8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqmxtEKdQAEy8FM5uMQ3Rz4Y+qHJ7t0vj=iYbv_e1VKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<104426521230.20140207080753@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAG1cpSqjMduaF5Kq+WwHMxgK3Z9Gzrq4Rod9GUiP6dP5YkK8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C122E7A-BCFE-4546-8A85-6007BCDB5ED3@iotecdigital.com>

This may bore most of you to tears so please disregard if it doesn?t interest you. 

What I am attempting is to be able to get values from objects on a card that is not the current card, or even in the current stack, like fields and states of buttons, without enumerating the entire path to the objects themselves. This is because the card is designed to be portable, that is, to be placed into any stack. The first time you go to the Database Setup card, all the sqlYoga database connections will be initialized, connections tested, and then connections made. It also has some database utility functions I use. I?ll share it with the community when I am done shaking out all the dust mites. 

Now I do have a few globals I use, and could do everything with globals if necessary, but that seems messy to my mind. Also, globals prevent the card from working properly in multiple stack environments! I might have a Database Setup card in several different stacks, and they all need to behave discreetly. (This is why Stack Local variables would be HUGE!) 

That is the back story. Now there are times when I need to get the values of objects on the Database Setup card of the current stack without actually going to the Database Setup card itself (I might be in a substack and it might be modal for instance) so I inserted the script of a button with all the Database Setup handlers into the message path, and then ?send? commands to it, so that statements like:

put field ?fDBType? into theDBType ? this field resides on the Database Setup card

would execute in the context of the Database Setup card. This threw Object Not Found errors, so I thought maybe it?s because the script was inserted into the message path. I then tried this with another button on the Database Setup card whose script was NOT inserted into the message path and got the same result! 

At that point I put in this handler into the script of the Database Setup card:

on test
  put the short name of this card
end test

Whether I send or dispatch I get the current card of the current stack.

If however:

on test
  put the short name of me
end test

I now get ?Database Setup? whether I use send or dispatch! Well? that IS what I want I suppose. That prompted this thread. If this is the expected behavior, then I really do not understand at all what the dictionary means by ?execution context?. I DID however find one other difference between send and dispatch: You can send a command but NOT a function! Dispatch works with commands AND functions. 

At any rate, it?s academic. I solved the problem by putting this handler in the Database Setup card script:

function getConnection theDBObject
   switch theDBObject
      case "primary"
         put the hilite of button "btndbPrimary" of me into aConnection ["enabled"]
         put (the backgroundcolor of button "btnPriConnected" of me is lightgreen) into aConnection ["connected"]
         put field "fPriDBType" of me into aConnection ["dbtype"]
         put field "fPriDBHost" of me into aConnection ["dbhost"]
         put field "fPriDBPort" of me into aConnection ["dbport"]
         put field "fPriDBName" of me into aConnection ["dbname"]
         put field "fpriDBUser" of me into aConnection ["dbuser"]
         put field "fPriDBPass" of me into aConnection ["dbpass"]
         break
      case "secondary"
         put the hilite of button "btndbSecondary" of me into aConnection ["enabled"]
         put (the backgroundcolor of button "btnSecConnected" of me is lightgreen) into aConnection ["connected"]
         put field "fSecDBType" of me into aConnection ["dbtype"]
         put field "fSecDBHost" of me into aConnection ["dbhost"]
         put field "fSecDBPort" of me into aConnection ["dbport"]
         put field "fSecDBName" of me into aConnection ["dbname"]
         put field "fSecDBUser" of me into aConnection ["dbuser"]
         put field "fSecDBPass" of me into aConnection ["dbpass"]
         break
   end switch

   return aConnection
end getConnection

Now my database back scripts can call this function, and because the button containing the back scripts exists on the same card, they execute in the context of that card. (Whew!) 

Bob

On Feb 7, 2014, at 09:02 , Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ah k. I understand what you're saying now.
> 
> The OP points out that "put the short name of this card" is returning the
> current card (as per the dictionary, and the behavior in the OP matches
> this.)
> If things remain the same and the message is "sent" to the card itself
> (like it was in the OP) then the handler in the card can "put the short
> name of me" and it will work because the handler is executing in the card,
> but if the message is sent to an object on a card "the short name of me"
> will return the object name not the card name. So one would have to do
> something else to get the card name. (get the long name and parse, or go up
> the "owner" tree till you get there if there are groups involved)  So I
> guess the OP example is a bit silly since if you're sending to the card
> specifically you already know what it is and if you must, can pass it as a
> parameter as part of the send.
> 
> Curious now though, is there an easy way to get the owning card name of an
> object that is sent to without parsing or tree crawling?
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
>> Mike-
>> 
>> Friday, February 7, 2014, 7:08:29 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> Its also probable I should have typed it clearer.. use "of me" instead.
>>> "This" refers to the current card of the default stack.
>> 
>> I'm not concerned about your use of "this" or "current". But "me" is
>> the object that generated the send or dispatch message. If you want
>> the message to end up going to the card, direct it to the card, not to
>> me.
>> 
>> If me sends or dispatches a message to me, me will get the message.
>> 
>> --
>> -Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sat Feb  8 01:38:50 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 06:38:50 +0000
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
In-Reply-To: <CF1AAB22.3A975%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <267AA3F2-28DE-4BEB-AB02-AADCC99FDDA5@dsa-net.dk>
	<1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CF1AAB22.3A975%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <F83AFAD1-2FCA-4870-99E4-18FEB33E9B30@iotecdigital.com>

Never ceases to amaze me the stuff Livecoders come up with! And if Scott likes something graphicky, it?s gotta be good!

Bob


On Feb 7, 2014, at 15:26 , Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> That's pretty awesome Bernd -- works well on a complex image.  :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/7/14 3:00 PM, "BNig" <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
> 
>> there is a new version of a stack that traces transparent images
>> 
>> http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19040&p=96086#p96086
>> 
>> It extracts transparency info from maskData and renders the shapes as
>> graphic.
>> 
>> Now renders all subshapes also.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Bernd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Tracing-Stack-was-the-point
>> s-of-graphic-tp4674846p4675591.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sat Feb  8 01:40:16 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 06:40:16 +0000
Subject: Why Programming is Difficult
In-Reply-To: <102470944943.20140207202818@ahsoftware.net>
References: <102470944943.20140207202818@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1D3F0E33-BF41-474E-94BE-6FB6A18AF082@iotecdigital.com>

Without reading the article, I can think of one principle I have employed in all my time working with computers: Computers never do what you want them to. They only do what you tell them to. 

Bob


On Feb 7, 2014, at 20:28 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> All-
> 
> Interesting article:
> 
> <http://joearms.github.io/2014/02/07/why-programming-is-difficult.html>
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 02:45:16 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:45:16 +0200
Subject: Why Programming is Difficult
In-Reply-To: <102470944943.20140207202818@ahsoftware.net>
References: <102470944943.20140207202818@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <52F5E08C.6000807@gmail.com>

On 08/02/14 06:28, Mark Wieder wrote:
> All-
>
> Interesting article:
>
> <http://joearms.github.io/2014/02/07/why-programming-is-difficult.html>
>

Very good article!

Thanks.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 02:48:29 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:48:29 +0200
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <5E87C2EB-E860-454B-ADA0-C27B2809F38E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>	<38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>	<CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E87C2EB-E860-454B-ADA0-C27B2809F38E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <52F5E14D.1010900@gmail.com>

On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled.
>
> Bob
>
>
>

There is a small problem there.

I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North 
Korean who broke certain of that
country's draconian laws,

and, furthermore,

do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there.

Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has 
been,
where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it is
a crime.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 02:52:21 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 09:52:21 +0200
Subject: Why Programming is Difficult
In-Reply-To: <1D3F0E33-BF41-474E-94BE-6FB6A18AF082@iotecdigital.com>
References: <102470944943.20140207202818@ahsoftware.net>
	<1D3F0E33-BF41-474E-94BE-6FB6A18AF082@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <52F5E235.2010707@gmail.com>

On 08/02/14 08:40, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Without reading the article, I can think of one principle I have employed in all my time working with computers: Computers never do what you want them to. They only do what you tell them to.
>
> Bob
>
>
>

Indeed; the main problem is NOT with the computers; it is the mismatch 
between the way humans think
and the way computers work.

At the risk of antagonising all those naive realist, mechanistic types 
who think we are
Dawkinian machines (hey, just coined a clever word), we have feelings 
and mood swings
which a computer does not, and never will have.

Richmond.

P.S. Where's my coffee? My left shoulder is aching, and I need the loo.

Now, find a computer that is going to be affected by any of those!



From bvg at mac.com  Sat Feb  8 06:25:12 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 12:25:12 +0100
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <3C122E7A-BCFE-4546-8A85-6007BCDB5ED3@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqmxtEKdQAEy8FM5uMQ3Rz4Y+qHJ7t0vj=iYbv_e1VKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<104426521230.20140207080753@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAG1cpSqjMduaF5Kq+WwHMxgK3Z9Gzrq4Rod9GUiP6dP5YkK8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C122E7A-BCFE-4546-8A85-6007BCDB5ED3@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <51C2776A-B106-4962-9932-30BCC1610118@mac.com>

You might be interested in the "call" command.

On 08.02.2014, at 07:34, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> This may bore most of you to tears so please disregard if it doesn?t interest you. 
> 
> What I am attempting is to be able to get values from objects on a card that is not the current card, or even in the current stack, like fields and states of buttons, without enumerating the entire path to the objects themselves. This is because the card is designed to be portable, that is, to be placed into any stack. The first time you go to the Database Setup card, all the sqlYoga database connections will be initialized, connections tested, and then connections made. It also has some database utility functions I use. I?ll share it with the community when I am done shaking out all the dust mites. 
> 
> Now I do have a few globals I use, and could do everything with globals if necessary, but that seems messy to my mind. Also, globals prevent the card from working properly in multiple stack environments! I might have a Database Setup card in several different stacks, and they all need to behave discreetly. (This is why Stack Local variables would be HUGE!) 
> 
> That is the back story. Now there are times when I need to get the values of objects on the Database Setup card of the current stack without actually going to the Database Setup card itself (I might be in a substack and it might be modal for instance) so I inserted the script of a button with all the Database Setup handlers into the message path, and then ?send? commands to it, so that statements like:
> 
> put field ?fDBType? into theDBType ? this field resides on the Database Setup card
> 
> would execute in the context of the Database Setup card. This threw Object Not Found errors, so I thought maybe it?s because the script was inserted into the message path. I then tried this with another button on the Database Setup card whose script was NOT inserted into the message path and got the same result! 
> 
> At that point I put in this handler into the script of the Database Setup card:
> 
> on test
>  put the short name of this card
> end test
> 
> Whether I send or dispatch I get the current card of the current stack.
> 
> If however:
> 
> on test
>  put the short name of me
> end test
> 
> I now get ?Database Setup? whether I use send or dispatch! Well? that IS what I want I suppose. That prompted this thread. If this is the expected behavior, then I really do not understand at all what the dictionary means by ?execution context?. I DID however find one other difference between send and dispatch: You can send a command but NOT a function! Dispatch works with commands AND functions. 
> 
> At any rate, it?s academic. I solved the problem by putting this handler in the Database Setup card script:
> 
> function getConnection theDBObject
>   switch theDBObject
>      case "primary"
>         put the hilite of button "btndbPrimary" of me into aConnection ["enabled"]
>         put (the backgroundcolor of button "btnPriConnected" of me is lightgreen) into aConnection ["connected"]
>         put field "fPriDBType" of me into aConnection ["dbtype"]
>         put field "fPriDBHost" of me into aConnection ["dbhost"]
>         put field "fPriDBPort" of me into aConnection ["dbport"]
>         put field "fPriDBName" of me into aConnection ["dbname"]
>         put field "fpriDBUser" of me into aConnection ["dbuser"]
>         put field "fPriDBPass" of me into aConnection ["dbpass"]
>         break
>      case "secondary"
>         put the hilite of button "btndbSecondary" of me into aConnection ["enabled"]
>         put (the backgroundcolor of button "btnSecConnected" of me is lightgreen) into aConnection ["connected"]
>         put field "fSecDBType" of me into aConnection ["dbtype"]
>         put field "fSecDBHost" of me into aConnection ["dbhost"]
>         put field "fSecDBPort" of me into aConnection ["dbport"]
>         put field "fSecDBName" of me into aConnection ["dbname"]
>         put field "fSecDBUser" of me into aConnection ["dbuser"]
>         put field "fSecDBPass" of me into aConnection ["dbpass"]
>         break
>   end switch
> 
>   return aConnection
> end getConnection
> 
> Now my database back scripts can call this function, and because the button containing the back scripts exists on the same card, they execute in the context of that card. (Whew!) 
> 
> Bob
> 
> On Feb 7, 2014, at 09:02 , Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ah k. I understand what you're saying now.
>> 
>> The OP points out that "put the short name of this card" is returning the
>> current card (as per the dictionary, and the behavior in the OP matches
>> this.)
>> If things remain the same and the message is "sent" to the card itself
>> (like it was in the OP) then the handler in the card can "put the short
>> name of me" and it will work because the handler is executing in the card,
>> but if the message is sent to an object on a card "the short name of me"
>> will return the object name not the card name. So one would have to do
>> something else to get the card name. (get the long name and parse, or go up
>> the "owner" tree till you get there if there are groups involved)  So I
>> guess the OP example is a bit silly since if you're sending to the card
>> specifically you already know what it is and if you must, can pass it as a
>> parameter as part of the send.
>> 
>> Curious now though, is there an easy way to get the owning card name of an
>> object that is sent to without parsing or tree crawling?
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike-
>>> 
>>> Friday, February 7, 2014, 7:08:29 AM, you wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Its also probable I should have typed it clearer.. use "of me" instead.
>>>> "This" refers to the current card of the default stack.
>>> 
>>> I'm not concerned about your use of "this" or "current". But "me" is
>>> the object that generated the send or dispatch message. If you want
>>> the message to end up going to the card, direct it to the card, not to
>>> me.
>>> 
>>> If me sends or dispatches a message to me, me will get the message.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> -Mark Wieder
>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Sat Feb  8 08:54:43 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 08:54:43 -0500
Subject: Why Programming is Difficult
In-Reply-To: <52F5E235.2010707@gmail.com>
References: <102470944943.20140207202818@ahsoftware.net>
	<1D3F0E33-BF41-474E-94BE-6FB6A18AF082@iotecdigital.com>
	<52F5E235.2010707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXP=hf7DEzC8tdrVsw9+k53p=6-4_uGzQd86CWcnA=wKjA@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 8, 2014 2:52 AM, "Richmond" wrote:
>
> P.S. Where's my coffee? My left shoulder is aching, and I need the loo.
>
> Now, find a computer that is going to be affected by any of those!
>

Those things just need to be translated to "a computers needs".

Where's my "turbo (overclock) mode"? My cpu fan isn't spinning, and I need
to purge the ram cache.  ;)

Of course a computer will never actually "think" those things.

~Roger


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 09:36:10 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 16:36:10 +0200
Subject: Why Programming is Difficult
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXP=hf7DEzC8tdrVsw9+k53p=6-4_uGzQd86CWcnA=wKjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <102470944943.20140207202818@ahsoftware.net>	<1D3F0E33-BF41-474E-94BE-6FB6A18AF082@iotecdigital.com>	<52F5E235.2010707@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXP=hf7DEzC8tdrVsw9+k53p=6-4_uGzQd86CWcnA=wKjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F640DA.3050104@gmail.com>

On 08/02/14 15:54, Roger Eller wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2014 2:52 AM, "Richmond" wrote:
>> P.S. Where's my coffee? My left shoulder is aching, and I need the loo.
>>
>> Now, find a computer that is going to be affected by any of those!
>>
> Those things just need to be translated to "a computers needs".
>
> Where's my "turbo (overclock) mode"? My cpu fan isn't spinning, and I need
> to purge the ram cache.  ;)

"purge the ram cache" . . . LOL

I've heard that bodily function called many things; but that one beats 
them all!

Richmond.

>
> Of course a computer will never actually "think" those things.
>
> ~Roger
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sat Feb  8 10:31:54 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:31:54 +0000
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <51C2776A-B106-4962-9932-30BCC1610118@mac.com>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqmxtEKdQAEy8FM5uMQ3Rz4Y+qHJ7t0vj=iYbv_e1VKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<104426521230.20140207080753@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAG1cpSqjMduaF5Kq+WwHMxgK3Z9Gzrq4Rod9GUiP6dP5YkK8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C122E7A-BCFE-4546-8A85-6007BCDB5ED3@iotecdigital.com>
	<51C2776A-B106-4962-9932-30BCC1610118@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D20DF08C-87C9-4E65-BECD-1995FA2570CB@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Bj?rnke. I decided on a different strategy of putting a function in the card script that gets the values of all the objects I need and returns them as an array. I don?t think being clever with the message path is going to be one of my foundational methodologies in the future. :-)

Bob


On Feb 8, 2014, at 03:25 , Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> You might be interested in the "call" command.
> 
> On 08.02.2014, at 07:34, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
>> This may bore most of you to tears so please disregard if it doesn?t interest you. 
>> 
>> What I am attempting is to be able to get values from objects on a card that is not the current card, or even in the current stack, like fields and states of buttons, without enumerating the entire path to the objects themselves. This is because the card is designed to be portable, that is, to be placed into any stack. The first time you go to the Database Setup card, all the sqlYoga database connections will be initialized, connections tested, and then connections made. It also has some database utility functions I use. I?ll share it with the community when I am done shaking out all the dust mites. 
>> 
>> Now I do have a few globals I use, and could do everything with globals if necessary, but that seems messy to my mind. Also, globals prevent the card from working properly in multiple stack environments! I might have a Database Setup card in several different stacks, and they all need to behave discreetly. (This is why Stack Local variables would be HUGE!) 
>> 
>> That is the back story. Now there are times when I need to get the values of objects on the Database Setup card of the current stack without actually going to the Database Setup card itself (I might be in a substack and it might be modal for instance) so I inserted the script of a button with all the Database Setup handlers into the message path, and then ?send? commands to it, so that statements like:
>> 
>> put field ?fDBType? into theDBType ? this field resides on the Database Setup card
>> 
>> would execute in the context of the Database Setup card. This threw Object Not Found errors, so I thought maybe it?s because the script was inserted into the message path. I then tried this with another button on the Database Setup card whose script was NOT inserted into the message path and got the same result! 
>> 
>> At that point I put in this handler into the script of the Database Setup card:
>> 
>> on test
>> put the short name of this card
>> end test
>> 
>> Whether I send or dispatch I get the current card of the current stack.
>> 
>> If however:
>> 
>> on test
>> put the short name of me
>> end test
>> 
>> I now get ?Database Setup? whether I use send or dispatch! Well? that IS what I want I suppose. That prompted this thread. If this is the expected behavior, then I really do not understand at all what the dictionary means by ?execution context?. I DID however find one other difference between send and dispatch: You can send a command but NOT a function! Dispatch works with commands AND functions. 
>> 
>> At any rate, it?s academic. I solved the problem by putting this handler in the Database Setup card script:
>> 
>> function getConnection theDBObject
>>  switch theDBObject
>>     case "primary"
>>        put the hilite of button "btndbPrimary" of me into aConnection ["enabled"]
>>        put (the backgroundcolor of button "btnPriConnected" of me is lightgreen) into aConnection ["connected"]
>>        put field "fPriDBType" of me into aConnection ["dbtype"]
>>        put field "fPriDBHost" of me into aConnection ["dbhost"]
>>        put field "fPriDBPort" of me into aConnection ["dbport"]
>>        put field "fPriDBName" of me into aConnection ["dbname"]
>>        put field "fpriDBUser" of me into aConnection ["dbuser"]
>>        put field "fPriDBPass" of me into aConnection ["dbpass"]
>>        break
>>     case "secondary"
>>        put the hilite of button "btndbSecondary" of me into aConnection ["enabled"]
>>        put (the backgroundcolor of button "btnSecConnected" of me is lightgreen) into aConnection ["connected"]
>>        put field "fSecDBType" of me into aConnection ["dbtype"]
>>        put field "fSecDBHost" of me into aConnection ["dbhost"]
>>        put field "fSecDBPort" of me into aConnection ["dbport"]
>>        put field "fSecDBName" of me into aConnection ["dbname"]
>>        put field "fSecDBUser" of me into aConnection ["dbuser"]
>>        put field "fSecDBPass" of me into aConnection ["dbpass"]
>>        break
>>  end switch
>> 
>>  return aConnection
>> end getConnection
>> 
>> Now my database back scripts can call this function, and because the button containing the back scripts exists on the same card, they execute in the context of that card. (Whew!) 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 09:02 , Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ah k. I understand what you're saying now.
>>> 
>>> The OP points out that "put the short name of this card" is returning the
>>> current card (as per the dictionary, and the behavior in the OP matches
>>> this.)
>>> If things remain the same and the message is "sent" to the card itself
>>> (like it was in the OP) then the handler in the card can "put the short
>>> name of me" and it will work because the handler is executing in the card,
>>> but if the message is sent to an object on a card "the short name of me"
>>> will return the object name not the card name. So one would have to do
>>> something else to get the card name. (get the long name and parse, or go up
>>> the "owner" tree till you get there if there are groups involved)  So I
>>> guess the OP example is a bit silly since if you're sending to the card
>>> specifically you already know what it is and if you must, can pass it as a
>>> parameter as part of the send.
>>> 
>>> Curious now though, is there an easy way to get the owning card name of an
>>> object that is sent to without parsing or tree crawling?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Mike-
>>>> 
>>>> Friday, February 7, 2014, 7:08:29 AM, you wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Its also probable I should have typed it clearer.. use "of me" instead.
>>>>> "This" refers to the current card of the default stack.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not concerned about your use of "this" or "current". But "me" is
>>>> the object that generated the send or dispatch message. If you want
>>>> the message to end up going to the card, direct it to the card, not to
>>>> me.
>>>> 
>>>> If me sends or dispatches a message to me, me will get the message.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> -Mark Wieder
>>>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/
> 
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From john at splash21.com  Sat Feb  8 10:49:55 2014
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:49:55 +0000
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.2 and demo version
Message-ID: <52F65223.6090901@splash21.com>

The MobGUI plugin has been updated to V1.2 and there's now a demo 
version available for download.
The plugin also comes bundled with mobguicons - royalty free icon fonts 
to use in your projects.

See www.mobgui.com and the MobGUI forum 
(http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=54) for more details.



From andrew at ctech.me  Sat Feb  8 10:51:51 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 09:51:51 -0600
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <52F5E14D.1010900@gmail.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E87C2EB-E860-454B-ADA0-C27B2809F38E@iotecdigital.com>
	<52F5E14D.1010900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft_-3Qv-N5JTnspeUVad3AzKEqF6MxQ-in1HGP+gMtj5yw@mail.gmail.com>

"Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the
beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered
all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point is
that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in
the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of the
whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or otherwise)
of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'.

Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as it
is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western
democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in their
own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like we
belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose wallpaper
patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough
to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our
co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some)
servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide
against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to
restore servility.

I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent from
being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the
like.

And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out:

"Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by I
might add) do not need to be compelled."

This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster
might say when attempting to expand a protection racket.

I'm not suggesting that you are a gangster or run a protection racket, of
course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance
lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in
agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives
into those functions.


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>
>> Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they
>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
> There is a small problem there.
>
> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North
> Korean who broke certain of that
> country's draconian laws,
>
> and, furthermore,
>
> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there.
>
> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has
> been,
> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it
> is
> a crime.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Feb  8 11:01:15 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 11:01:15 -0500
Subject: [OT] purging RAM cache...
Message-ID: <2EAA0D49-9F96-44F2-B54E-5193114E3E64@verizon.net>

This got mentioned in another thread, and only yesterday I started using a new utility, which is pretty neat. It shows how much RAM is being used right now, and you are able to purge memory that can be made available. It would be ideal for when you?ve been doing some heavy duty Photoshop work, and are finding that your machine is sluggish.

It?s free from the Mac App Store, thug it does have promo links in it to other apps by the same developer:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/memory-clean/id451444120?mt=12

Once you have installed and opened the app you may think that it?s not appearing. It places a small icon and a few numbers (the current free RAM amount) into your menu bar. Click on that to open up its panel.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 11:08:35 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 18:08:35 +0200
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft_-3Qv-N5JTnspeUVad3AzKEqF6MxQ-in1HGP+gMtj5yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>	<38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>	<CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5E87C2EB-E860-454B-ADA0-C27B2809F38E@iotecdigital.com>	<52F5E14D.1010900@gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_-3Qv-N5JTnspeUVad3AzKEqF6MxQ-in1HGP+gMtj5yw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F65683.30205@gmail.com>

On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
> "Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the
> beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered
> all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point is
> that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in
> the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of the
> whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or otherwise)
> of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'.
>
> Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as it
> is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western
> democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in their
> own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like we
> belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose wallpaper
> patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough
> to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our
> co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some)
> servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide
> against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to
> restore servility.
>
> I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent from
> being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the
> like.
>
> And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out:
>
> "Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by I
> might add) do not need to be compelled."
>
> This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster
> might say when attempting to expand a protection racket.
>
> I'm not suggesting that you

To whom does "you" refer to?

Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been 
put out of joint :)

Richmond.

> are a gangster or run a protection racket, of
> course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance
> lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in
> agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives
> into those functions.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>
>>> Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they
>>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> There is a small problem there.
>>
>> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North
>> Korean who broke certain of that
>> country's draconian laws,
>>
>> and, furthermore,
>>
>> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there.
>>
>> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has
>> been,
>> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it
>> is
>> a crime.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>




From andrew at ctech.me  Sat Feb  8 11:09:54 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 10:09:54 -0600
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <52F65683.30205@gmail.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E87C2EB-E860-454B-ADA0-C27B2809F38E@iotecdigital.com>
	<52F5E14D.1010900@gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_-3Qv-N5JTnspeUVad3AzKEqF6MxQ-in1HGP+gMtj5yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F65683.30205@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft-a7_o+StpmT6CH7ZM=8Q2SMzo2tJev3nHHG5haT2s0Cw@mail.gmail.com>

Richmond,

My response was directed towards Bob.



On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>
>> "Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the
>> beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered
>> all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point
>> is
>> that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in
>> the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of
>> the
>> whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or otherwise)
>> of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'.
>>
>> Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as
>> it
>> is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western
>> democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in their
>> own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like
>> we
>> belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose wallpaper
>> patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough
>> to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our
>> co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some)
>> servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide
>> against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to
>> restore servility.
>>
>> I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent from
>> being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the
>> like.
>>
>> And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out:
>>
>> "Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by
>> I
>> might add) do not need to be compelled."
>>
>> This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster
>> might say when attempting to expand a protection racket.
>>
>> I'm not suggesting that you
>>
>
> To whom does "you" refer to?
>
> Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been
> put out of joint :)
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>  are a gangster or run a protection racket, of
>> course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance
>> lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in
>> agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives
>> into those functions.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>
>>>  Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they
>>>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  There is a small problem there.
>>>
>>> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North
>>> Korean who broke certain of that
>>> country's draconian laws,
>>>
>>> and, furthermore,
>>>
>>> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there.
>>>
>>> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has
>>> been,
>>> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it
>>> is
>>> a crime.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From andrew at ctech.me  Sat Feb  8 11:11:30 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 10:11:30 -0600
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft-a7_o+StpmT6CH7ZM=8Q2SMzo2tJev3nHHG5haT2s0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E87C2EB-E860-454B-ADA0-C27B2809F38E@iotecdigital.com>
	<52F5E14D.1010900@gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_-3Qv-N5JTnspeUVad3AzKEqF6MxQ-in1HGP+gMtj5yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F65683.30205@gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft-a7_o+StpmT6CH7ZM=8Q2SMzo2tJev3nHHG5haT2s0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft9DHk-bfQvMvBqkhxtd5jwhCQNyA6m8N2-Hz_Pu=5uh5A@mail.gmail.com>

Gmail handles replies to list email a little differently. Unless  I
specifically hit reply on bobs email it just quotes the last one in the
thread.

Andrew


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

> Richmond,
>
> My response was directed towards Bob.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>>
>>> "Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the
>>> beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered
>>> all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point
>>> is
>>> that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in
>>> the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of
>>> the
>>> whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or
>>> otherwise)
>>> of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'.
>>>
>>> Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as
>>> it
>>> is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western
>>> democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in
>>> their
>>> own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like
>>> we
>>> belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose
>>> wallpaper
>>> patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough
>>> to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our
>>> co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some)
>>> servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide
>>> against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to
>>> restore servility.
>>>
>>> I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent
>>> from
>>> being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the
>>> like.
>>>
>>> And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out:
>>>
>>> "Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected
>>> by I
>>> might add) do not need to be compelled."
>>>
>>> This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster
>>> might say when attempting to expand a protection racket.
>>>
>>> I'm not suggesting that you
>>>
>>
>> To whom does "you" refer to?
>>
>> Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been
>> put out of joint :)
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>>
>>  are a gangster or run a protection racket, of
>>> course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance
>>> lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in
>>> agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives
>>> into those functions.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they
>>>>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  There is a small problem there.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North
>>>> Korean who broke certain of that
>>>> country's draconian laws,
>>>>
>>>> and, furthermore,
>>>>
>>>> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there.
>>>>
>>>> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has
>>>> been,
>>>> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where
>>>> it
>>>> is
>>>> a crime.
>>>>
>>>> Richmond.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Kluthe
> andrew at ctech.me
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From bvg at mac.com  Sat Feb  8 11:11:56 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 17:11:56 +0100
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft-a7_o+StpmT6CH7ZM=8Q2SMzo2tJev3nHHG5haT2s0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5E87C2EB-E860-454B-ADA0-C27B2809F38E@iotecdigital.com>
	<52F5E14D.1010900@gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_-3Qv-N5JTnspeUVad3AzKEqF6MxQ-in1HGP+gMtj5yw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F65683.30205@gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft-a7_o+StpmT6CH7ZM=8Q2SMzo2tJev3nHHG5haT2s0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2BF87750-8708-4AE7-B2B3-47381CCC132F@mac.com>

cheese

On 08.02.2014, at 17:09, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

> Richmond,
> 
> My response was directed towards Bob.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>> 
>>> "Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the
>>> beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered
>>> all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point
>>> is
>>> that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in
>>> the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of
>>> the
>>> whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or otherwise)
>>> of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'.
>>> 
>>> Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as
>>> it
>>> is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western
>>> democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in their
>>> own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like
>>> we
>>> belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose wallpaper
>>> patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough
>>> to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our
>>> co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some)
>>> servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide
>>> against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to
>>> restore servility.
>>> 
>>> I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent from
>>> being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the
>>> like.
>>> 
>>> And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out:
>>> 
>>> "Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by
>>> I
>>> might add) do not need to be compelled."
>>> 
>>> This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster
>>> might say when attempting to expand a protection racket.
>>> 
>>> I'm not suggesting that you
>>> 
>> 
>> To whom does "you" refer to?
>> 
>> Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been
>> put out of joint :)
>> 
>> Richmond.
>> 
>> 
>> are a gangster or run a protection racket, of
>>> course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance
>>> lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in
>>> agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives
>>> into those functions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they
>>>>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a small problem there.
>>>> 
>>>> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North
>>>> Korean who broke certain of that
>>>> country's draconian laws,
>>>> 
>>>> and, furthermore,
>>>> 
>>>> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there.
>>>> 
>>>> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has
>>>> been,
>>>> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it
>>>> is
>>>> a crime.
>>>> 
>>>> Richmond.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Andrew Kluthe
> andrew at ctech.me
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 11:18:27 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 18:18:27 +0200
Subject: [OT] purging RAM cache...
In-Reply-To: <2EAA0D49-9F96-44F2-B54E-5193114E3E64@verizon.net>
References: <2EAA0D49-9F96-44F2-B54E-5193114E3E64@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <52F658D3.8070605@gmail.com>

On 08/02/14 18:01, Colin Holgate wrote:
> This got mentioned in another thread, and only yesterday I started using a new utility, which is pretty neat. It shows how much RAM is being used right now, and you are able to purge memory that can be made available. It would be ideal for when you?ve been doing some heavy duty Photoshop work, and are finding that your machine is sluggish.

Ahem . . . GIMP http://www.gimp.org/
>
> It?s free from the Mac App Store, thug it does have promo links in it to other apps by the same developer:
>
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/memory-clean/id451444120?mt=12

Ahem . . . Linux  http://distrowatch.com/

Ahem . . . Windows  http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/home

Ahem . . . UNIX  http://www.unixdownload.net/

Ahem . . . Haiku  but, hey, their web-pages are not loading, again.

Ahem . . . Open Source:

Analys/ze RAM consumption:  https://www.eclipse.org/mat/ [cross-platform]

>
> Once you have installed and opened the app you may think that it?s not appearing. It places a small icon and a few numbers (the current free RAM amount) into your menu bar. Click on that to open up its panel.
>

Ahem . . . Richmond.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 11:18:56 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 18:18:56 +0200
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft-a7_o+StpmT6CH7ZM=8Q2SMzo2tJev3nHHG5haT2s0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>	<38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>	<CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5E87C2EB-E860-454B-ADA0-C27B2809F38E@iotecdigital.com>	<52F5E14D.1010900@gmail.com>	<CAHp9Ft_-3Qv-N5JTnspeUVad3AzKEqF6MxQ-in1HGP+gMtj5yw@mail.gmail.com>	<52F65683.30205@gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft-a7_o+StpmT6CH7ZM=8Q2SMzo2tJev3nHHG5haT2s0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F658F0.6080406@gmail.com>

On 08/02/14 18:09, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
> Richmond,
>
> My response was directed towards Bob.

Poor Bob :P

>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>>
>>> "Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the
>>> beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered
>>> all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point
>>> is
>>> that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in
>>> the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of
>>> the
>>> whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or otherwise)
>>> of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'.
>>>
>>> Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as
>>> it
>>> is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western
>>> democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in their
>>> own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like
>>> we
>>> belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose wallpaper
>>> patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough
>>> to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our
>>> co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some)
>>> servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide
>>> against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to
>>> restore servility.
>>>
>>> I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent from
>>> being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the
>>> like.
>>>
>>> And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out:
>>>
>>> "Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected by
>>> I
>>> might add) do not need to be compelled."
>>>
>>> This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster
>>> might say when attempting to expand a protection racket.
>>>
>>> I'm not suggesting that you
>>>
>> To whom does "you" refer to?
>>
>> Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been
>> put out of joint :)
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>>
>>   are a gangster or run a protection racket, of
>>> course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance
>>> lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in
>>> agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives
>>> into those functions.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>>   Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they
>>>>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   There is a small problem there.
>>>> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North
>>>> Korean who broke certain of that
>>>> country's draconian laws,
>>>>
>>>> and, furthermore,
>>>>
>>>> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there.
>>>>
>>>> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has
>>>> been,
>>>> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where it
>>>> is
>>>> a crime.
>>>>
>>>> Richmond.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 11:21:06 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 18:21:06 +0200
Subject: [OT] will amuse you Linux fans
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft9DHk-bfQvMvBqkhxtd5jwhCQNyA6m8N2-Hz_Pu=5uh5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90D077F2-D394-4D1F-A506-1CFBB37E9503@verizon.net>	<CAAT6EXNwv9p5bk4dJyJ=EYp+OqYd+Ajo1bW0hDwePRMCpiqtaA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFmQfHLrkNagep72yiXX0fO=0c=fYn0w6+ZePNEprUxyy5stPg@mail.gmail.com>	<38177E62-F76B-4A58-B0FF-6C63E2FCF156@iotecdigital.com>	<CAHp9Ft9bGUb0yjyWyo2e0xttm_f=e9fFG+eWx6a=VLuRH1YEzQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5E87C2EB-E860-454B-ADA0-C27B2809F38E@iotecdigital.com>	<52F5E14D.1010900@gmail.com>	<CAHp9Ft_-3Qv-N5JTnspeUVad3AzKEqF6MxQ-in1HGP+gMtj5yw@mail.gmail.com>	<52F65683.30205@gmail.com>	<CAHp9Ft-a7_o+StpmT6CH7ZM=8Q2SMzo2tJev3nHHG5haT2s0Cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft9DHk-bfQvMvBqkhxtd5jwhCQNyA6m8N2-Hz_Pu=5uh5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F65972.9000508@gmail.com>

On 08/02/14 18:11, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
> Gmail handles replies to list email a little differently. Unless  I
> specifically hit reply on bobs email it just quotes the last one in the
> thread.

Dunno about that: I use Gmail and view it via ThunderBird where each 
emial comes in non-threaded: I find
that a lot easier than viewing it in a browser or a threaded system.

Cannot recommend it enough: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

Richmond.

>
> Andrew
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:
>
>> Richmond,
>>
>> My response was directed towards Bob.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/02/14 17:51, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Those who choose to obey the laws" are either those who are the
>>>> beneficiaries of such instruments, or to whom the instrument has rendered
>>>> all other choices and possibilities unworthy of consideration. The point
>>>> is
>>>> that even in western democracies, people don't actually have a choice in
>>>> the matter. You obey or you are punished. That is the presupposition of
>>>> the
>>>> whole concept: removal (whether it is perceived as voluntary or
>>>> otherwise)
>>>> of choice to those who know properly how to do the choosin'.
>>>>
>>>> Government in North Korea is maintained by the same force and threats as
>>>> it
>>>> is in most any western democracy. The difference being that in western
>>>> democracies the populace is encouraged to take an actionable role in
>>>> their
>>>> own subjugation and the subjugation of others in an attempt to feel like
>>>> we
>>>> belong and have agency in such matters. We are allowed to choose
>>>> wallpaper
>>>> patterns for the homes we are allowed to live in by being obedient enough
>>>> to be granted some kind of economic privilege. In exchange for our
>>>> co-operation, we earn a chance at a more personally satisfying (to some)
>>>> servitude. Should any groups of people in a western democracy decide
>>>> against being servile, we know for sure that force will arrive there to
>>>> restore servility.
>>>>
>>>> I'd prefer not to allow my liberty to be (or at least work to prevent
>>>> from
>>>> being) bound by involuntary contracts like constitutions, writs and the
>>>> like.
>>>>
>>>> And after reading over the thread again I'd like to point out:
>>>>
>>>> "Those who choose to obey the laws (that they themselves are protected
>>>> by I
>>>> might add) do not need to be compelled."
>>>>
>>>> This phrase strikes me now as something very similar to what a gangster
>>>> might say when attempting to expand a protection racket.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not suggesting that you
>>>>
>>> To whom does "you" refer to?
>>>
>>> Unless that is cleared up somebody is going to feel their nose has been
>>> put out of joint :)
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>
>>>   are a gangster or run a protection racket, of
>>>> course, but that the logic being implied by your concept of governance
>>>> lines up perfectly with what I am describing. I think that we are in
>>>> agreement about function but just have different biases and perspectives
>>>> into those functions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   On 08/02/14 07:06, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>>>>   Only upon the lawless. :-) Those who choose to obey the laws (that they
>>>>>> themselves are protected by I might add) do not need to be compelled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   There is a small problem there.
>>>>> I am sure that most of us here on the Use-List would applaud a North
>>>>> Korean who broke certain of that
>>>>> country's draconian laws,
>>>>>
>>>>> and, furthermore,
>>>>>
>>>>> do not feel groovy about the sort of compulsion that goes on there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that is one end of a continuum, and the question is, and always has
>>>>> been,
>>>>> where one should decide breaking a law is legitimate protest and where
>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> a crime.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richmond.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andrew Kluthe
>> andrew at ctech.me
>>
>
>




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb  8 13:38:03 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 12:38:03 -0600
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <3C122E7A-BCFE-4546-8A85-6007BCDB5ED3@iotecdigital.com>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>	<14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>	<CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAG1cpSqmxtEKdQAEy8FM5uMQ3Rz4Y+qHJ7t0vj=iYbv_e1VKOw@mail.gmail.com>	<104426521230.20140207080753@ahsoftware.net>	<CAG1cpSqjMduaF5Kq+WwHMxgK3Z9Gzrq4Rod9GUiP6dP5YkK8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C122E7A-BCFE-4546-8A85-6007BCDB5ED3@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <52F6798B.9060700@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/8/14, 12:34 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I DID however find one other difference between send and dispatch:
> You can send a command but NOT a function!

For functions you can use this:

  get value("myHandler(param)",cd "othercard")

where the first parameter is the name of the function with its 
parameters, and the second parameter is the location of the script to query.

See "value" in the dictionary, especially Oliver's user note.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Feb  8 14:12:36 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 11:12:36 -0800
Subject: Getting rid of the Tools palette
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOjKLtGoXmLho9KRPWWDYAOgzb+OkGC6o7w24_5ZL3XWg@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to stop the Tools palette displaying when LC starts up? Even
if it is not open when I exit LC, it appears next time I start LC.
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 14:49:45 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:49:45 +0200
Subject: Getting rid of the Tools palette
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOjKLtGoXmLho9KRPWWDYAOgzb+OkGC6o7w24_5ZL3XWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOjKLtGoXmLho9KRPWWDYAOgzb+OkGC6o7w24_5ZL3XWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F68A59.70501@gmail.com>

On 08/02/14 21:12, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Is there a way to stop the Tools palette displaying when LC starts up? Even
> if it is not open when I exit LC, it appears next time I start LC.
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

I should have thought that was dead easy:

just hack the openStack script of the "revMenubar" stack
with something like this:

on openStack
     set the vis of stack "revTools" to false
.
.
.

Richmond.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Feb  8 15:02:04 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 12:02:04 -0800
Subject: Getting rid of the Tools palette
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOjKLtGoXmLho9KRPWWDYAOgzb+OkGC6o7w24_5ZL3XWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOjKLtGoXmLho9KRPWWDYAOgzb+OkGC6o7w24_5ZL3XWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74526969601.20140208120204@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Saturday, February 8, 2014, 11:12:36 AM, you wrote:

> Is there a way to stop the Tools palette displaying when LC starts up? Even
> if it is not open when I exit LC, it appears next time I start LC.

With PowerTools, you just minimize it and it remembers that:
<http://mwieder.on-rev.com/WordPress/?incsub_wiki=getting-powertools-out-of-the-way>
http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/PowerTools.irev

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Feb  8 15:45:15 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 12:45:15 -0800
Subject: Getting rid of the Tools palette
In-Reply-To: <74526969601.20140208120204@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAGDT7eOjKLtGoXmLho9KRPWWDYAOgzb+OkGC6o7w24_5ZL3XWg@mail.gmail.com>
	<74526969601.20140208120204@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNbZOKFC2Y18boP6gfL8mjhY_yx0D45X+U8u43eywkqGw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Richmond and Mark.  Doesn't it seem like LC should either remember
the Tools palette state when it shuts down?  It sems to do that with the
Application Browser.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Pete-
>
> Saturday, February 8, 2014, 11:12:36 AM, you wrote:
>
> > Is there a way to stop the Tools palette displaying when LC starts up?
> Even
> > if it is not open when I exit LC, it appears next time I start LC.
>
> With PowerTools, you just minimize it and it remembers that:
> <
> http://mwieder.on-rev.com/WordPress/?incsub_wiki=getting-powertools-out-of-the-way
> >
> http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/PowerTools.irev
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Feb  8 16:15:22 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 22:15:22 +0100
Subject: changing the settings.plist template for iOS7 is ignored
Message-ID: <C7ACCAE3-FFD1-4750-9626-7280C75209F2@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

i noticed the following strange behaviour. Although i?m building for IOS7, LC 6.5.1 and also 6.5.2 uses the plist template from 6.1.

How i found out?

I changed the settings.plist in Runtime/iOS/Device-7_0 to set  the UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key to false, but the created iOS app still exits on suspend.

I looked into the app bundle and detected that although the changes are present in the settings.plist within the Runtime folder, the settings.plist in the app bundle
still shows the livecode placeholder ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND}.

I removed all folders (device and simulator) except the device-7_0 from the iOS folder and tried to build again. I got an error "could not find plist template for device"

After moving the folder Device-6_1 back to the iOS folder i was able to build again. After changing UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key in the settings.plist for 6.1,
i was able to create the iOS 7 app with the correct settings.plist.

I can even delete the settings.plist in the device-7_0 folder and still can build. 

This is not how it should be, isn?t it?

Matthias



Matthias Rebbe




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Feb  8 16:20:25 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 22:20:25 +0100
Subject: changing the settings.plist template for iOS7 is ignored
In-Reply-To: <C7ACCAE3-FFD1-4750-9626-7280C75209F2@m-r-d.de>
References: <C7ACCAE3-FFD1-4750-9626-7280C75209F2@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <B06E40EA-A901-4BD4-8DA1-701ED96E92A4@m-r-d.de>

Am 08.02.2014 um 22:15 schrieb Matthias Rebbe <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>:

> Hi,
> 
> i noticed the following strange behaviour. Although i?m building for IOS7, LC 6.5.1 and also 6.5.2 uses the plist template from 6.1.
> 
> How i found out?
> 
> I changed the settings.plist in Runtime/iOS/Device-7_0 to set  the UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key to false, but the created iOS app still exits on suspend.
> 
> I looked into the app bundle and detected that although the changes are present in the settings.plist within the Runtime folder, the settings.plist in the app bundle
sorry i meant the info.plist in the app bundle.



> still shows the livecode placeholder ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND}.
> 
> I removed all folders (device and simulator) except the device-7_0 from the iOS folder and tried to build again. I got an error "could not find plist template for device"
> 
> After moving the folder Device-6_1 back to the iOS folder i was able to build again. After changing UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key in the settings.plist for 6.1,
> i was able to create the iOS 7 app with the correct settings.plist.
> 
> I can even delete the settings.plist in the device-7_0 folder and still can build. 
> 
> This is not how it should be, isn?t it?
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From neil at runrev.com  Sat Feb  8 16:37:05 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:37:05 +0000
Subject: changing the settings.plist template for iOS7 is ignored
In-Reply-To: <B06E40EA-A901-4BD4-8DA1-701ED96E92A4@m-r-d.de>
References: <C7ACCAE3-FFD1-4750-9626-7280C75209F2@m-r-d.de>
	<B06E40EA-A901-4BD4-8DA1-701ED96E92A4@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <52F6A381.4070000@runrev.com>

Hi Matthias,

This issue with LiveCode using the 6.1 settings.plist was brought to our 
attention when investigating the following bug-

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11754

This bug and the settings.plist issue will be resolved in the next 
release of LiveCode

Kind Regards,


Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
--

On 08/02/2014 21:20, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> Am 08.02.2014 um 22:15 schrieb Matthias Rebbe <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> i noticed the following strange behaviour. Although i?m building for IOS7, LC 6.5.1 and also 6.5.2 uses the plist template from 6.1.
>>
>> How i found out?
>>
>> I changed the settings.plist in Runtime/iOS/Device-7_0 to set  the UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key to false, but the created iOS app still exits on suspend.
>>
>> I looked into the app bundle and detected that although the changes are present in the settings.plist within the Runtime folder, the settings.plist in the app bundle
> sorry i meant the info.plist in the app bundle.
>
>
>
>> still shows the livecode placeholder ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND}.
>>
>> I removed all folders (device and simulator) except the device-7_0 from the iOS folder and tried to build again. I got an error "could not find plist template for device"
>>
>> After moving the folder Device-6_1 back to the iOS folder i was able to build again. After changing UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key in the settings.plist for 6.1,
>> i was able to create the iOS 7 app with the correct settings.plist.
>>
>> I can even delete the settings.plist in the device-7_0 folder and still can build.
>>
>> This is not how it should be, isn?t it?
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthias Rebbe
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Sat Feb  8 17:03:31 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 23:03:31 +0100
Subject: changing the settings.plist template for iOS7 is ignored
In-Reply-To: <52F6A381.4070000@runrev.com>
References: <C7ACCAE3-FFD1-4750-9626-7280C75209F2@m-r-d.de>
	<B06E40EA-A901-4BD4-8DA1-701ED96E92A4@m-r-d.de>
	<52F6A381.4070000@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3761C5B2-4AF5-42E9-BDE7-37AAB47B8E4D@m-r-d.de>

Hi Neil,

thanks for letting me know.

Unfortunately i reported this to the Quality Center 

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11772

Anything i can do now? Or will someone of Runrev take care
and delete it or mark it as duplicate?

Regards,

Matthias


Am 08.02.2014 um 22:37 schrieb Neil Roger <neil at runrev.com>:

> Hi Matthias,
> 
> This issue with LiveCode using the 6.1 settings.plist was brought to our attention when investigating the following bug-
> 
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11754
> 
> This bug and the settings.plist issue will be resolved in the next release of LiveCode
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> 
> Neil Roger
> --
> RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
> --
> 
> On 08/02/2014 21:20, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
>> Am 08.02.2014 um 22:15 schrieb Matthias Rebbe <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> i noticed the following strange behaviour. Although i?m building for IOS7, LC 6.5.1 and also 6.5.2 uses the plist template from 6.1.
>>> 
>>> How i found out?
>>> 
>>> I changed the settings.plist in Runtime/iOS/Device-7_0 to set  the UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key to false, but the created iOS app still exits on suspend.
>>> 
>>> I looked into the app bundle and detected that although the changes are present in the settings.plist within the Runtime folder, the settings.plist in the app bundle
>> sorry i meant the info.plist in the app bundle.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> still shows the livecode placeholder ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND}.
>>> 
>>> I removed all folders (device and simulator) except the device-7_0 from the iOS folder and tried to build again. I got an error "could not find plist template for device"
>>> 
>>> After moving the folder Device-6_1 back to the iOS folder i was able to build again. After changing UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key in the settings.plist for 6.1,
>>> i was able to create the iOS 7 app with the correct settings.plist.
>>> 
>>> I can even delete the settings.plist in the device-7_0 folder and still can build.
>>> 
>>> This is not how it should be, isn?t it?
>>> 
>>> Matthias
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Matthias Rebbe




From neil at runrev.com  Sat Feb  8 17:08:38 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 22:08:38 +0000
Subject: changing the settings.plist template for iOS7 is ignored
In-Reply-To: <3761C5B2-4AF5-42E9-BDE7-37AAB47B8E4D@m-r-d.de>
References: <C7ACCAE3-FFD1-4750-9626-7280C75209F2@m-r-d.de>
	<B06E40EA-A901-4BD4-8DA1-701ED96E92A4@m-r-d.de>
	<52F6A381.4070000@runrev.com>
	<3761C5B2-4AF5-42E9-BDE7-37AAB47B8E4D@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <52F6AAE6.802@runrev.com>

Hi Matthias,

That's not a problem. We will be able to take care of it at our end on 
Monday.

Thanks for submitting the report.

Kind Regards,


Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
--


On 08/02/2014 22:03, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> Hi Neil,
>
> thanks for letting me know.
>
> Unfortunately i reported this to the Quality Center
>
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11772
>
> Anything i can do now? Or will someone of Runrev take care
> and delete it or mark it as duplicate?
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Am 08.02.2014 um 22:37 schrieb Neil Roger <neil at runrev.com>:
>
>> Hi Matthias,
>>
>> This issue with LiveCode using the 6.1 settings.plist was brought to our attention when investigating the following bug-
>>
>> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11754
>>
>> This bug and the settings.plist issue will be resolved in the next release of LiveCode
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>> Neil Roger
>> --
>> RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
>> --
>>
>> On 08/02/2014 21:20, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
>>> Am 08.02.2014 um 22:15 schrieb Matthias Rebbe <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> i noticed the following strange behaviour. Although i?m building for IOS7, LC 6.5.1 and also 6.5.2 uses the plist template from 6.1.
>>>>
>>>> How i found out?
>>>>
>>>> I changed the settings.plist in Runtime/iOS/Device-7_0 to set  the UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key to false, but the created iOS app still exits on suspend.
>>>>
>>>> I looked into the app bundle and detected that although the changes are present in the settings.plist within the Runtime folder, the settings.plist in the app bundle
>>> sorry i meant the info.plist in the app bundle.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> still shows the livecode placeholder ${APPLICATION_EXITS_ON_SUSPEND}.
>>>>
>>>> I removed all folders (device and simulator) except the device-7_0 from the iOS folder and tried to build again. I got an error "could not find plist template for device"
>>>>
>>>> After moving the folder Device-6_1 back to the iOS folder i was able to build again. After changing UIApplicationExitsOnSuspend key in the settings.plist for 6.1,
>>>> i was able to create the iOS 7 app with the correct settings.plist.
>>>>
>>>> I can even delete the settings.plist in the device-7_0 folder and still can build.
>>>>
>>>> This is not how it should be, isn?t it?
>>>>
>>>> Matthias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthias Rebbe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> Matthias Rebbe
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 17:13:03 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 17:13:03 -0500
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <52F265B0.2030505@tweedly.net>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F265B0.2030505@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <FBED3A46-55A8-473F-9DE8-FB7002CFB70B@gmail.com>

Without using Regex, you can do this:

function makeString tChar, n
   -- returns a string of n characters (tChar)
   -- no repeat loop!
   put cr into line n of m
   replace cr with tChar in m
   return m
end makeString

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Feb 5, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> On 05/02/2014 15:06, Mike Kerner wrote:
>> Alex's idea is also clever, but what if I am trying to repeat another
>> character, like "#"?
>> 
>> 
> 
> put replacetext( format("%30s", " "), " ", "x") into myVar
> 
> (no promises for being the speediest solution - but still one line and no library involved).
> -- Alex.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 17:42:40 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 17:42:40 -0500
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <52F4F4B4.6030009@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F4F4B4.6030009@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <F19ED269-42BC-4E91-8E1A-3D61AC9C53B3@gmail.com>

And some of you may be interested in Sookasa, a utility that works with Dropbox to encrypt files. It creates a "Sookasa" folder in your Dropbox folder, and encrypts the files there so that the version that lives on your hard drive and the version in the Dropbox cloud are both encrypted. They use AES 256 bit encryption and the higher level products (cost more) have full HIPAA-level encryption. If you plan on working offline you can DL a decryption key for accessing your files that is good for 48 hours.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Feb 7, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Geoff,
> 
> I completely agree. I have a 16GB account and keep a backup of my active project folder on Dropbox and, which has saved me a few times.
> 
> Anyone else reading this: if you want to register for Dropbox quickly, you can follow this link http://qery.us/u6
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
> 
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
> 
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> 
> On 2/7/2014 15:50, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>> Not sure if this has been posted before, but just in case: If you store
>> your stack files in the dropbox folder on your computer, dropbox does a
>> really good job of saving a copy of each separate file whenever the file is
>> saved. You can look at a list of the saved versions and get/restore any of
>> them.
>> 
>> It's not git, but as a file-level resource it's a 1000x better than
>> nothing. I borked up some code last night (never try to solve a problem at
>> 3am that stumped you at 9pm) so I'm really happy that I can just revert to
>> the 9pm version and forget whatever it is I did later on.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From paulhibbert at mac.com  Sat Feb  8 18:07:28 2014
From: paulhibbert at mac.com (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:07:28 -0800
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtS2Vuafqk5RSZjLHDfGgoAOPX_XzDLXjCj9ADPYRrNSMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOpWwtS2Vuafqk5RSZjLHDfGgoAOPX_XzDLXjCj9ADPYRrNSMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31D739D7-C5B5-4FC2-B5D4-6A62E6992021@mac.com>

Howard,

You need a Business account or a Pro account with add ons for version history.

https://www.dropbox.com/business/pricing

Paul

On 2014-02-07, at 12:36 PM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:

> However, I don't see the stack versioning you describe in any of my stack
> files on Dropbox. Is there something specific one needs to do in order to
> invoke this characteristic of Dropbox?




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb  8 18:53:31 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 15:53:31 -0800
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <FBED3A46-55A8-473F-9DE8-FB7002CFB70B@gmail.com>
References: <FBED3A46-55A8-473F-9DE8-FB7002CFB70B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F6C37B.9080407@fourthworld.com>

Nice, Peter.

Inspired by that I wondered if we might use the lineDel to some 
advantage here, and it turns out to be ever so slightly faster:

on mouseUp
    put 10000 into n
    -- test 1:
    put the millisecs into t
    repeat n
       put MakeString("#", 100) into r1
    end repeat
    put the millisecs - t into t1
    -- test 2:
    put the millisecs into t
    repeat n
       put MakeString2("#", 100) into r2
    end repeat
    put the millisecs - t into t2
    -- display results:
    put t1  && t2 && (r1=r2)&cr& r1 &len(r1) &cr& r2  &len(r2)
end mouseUp

function makeString tChar, n
    -- returns a string of n characters (tChar)
    -- no repeat loop!
    put cr into line n of m
    replace cr with tChar in m
    return m
end makeString

function makeString2 tChar, n
    set the linedel to tChar
    put tChar into line n of m
    return m
end makeString2


On my slow Mac that produces:

75 70 true
####################################################################################################100
####################################################################################################100

And if the char you need is either space or null, binaryEncode can 
produce a string of arbitrary length padded with either of those (and a 
whole lot more  - binaryEncode is quite a powerhouse of utility).

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Feb  8 19:57:28 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 16:57:28 -0800
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <31D739D7-C5B5-4FC2-B5D4-6A62E6992021@mac.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOpWwtS2Vuafqk5RSZjLHDfGgoAOPX_XzDLXjCj9ADPYRrNSMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<31D739D7-C5B5-4FC2-B5D4-6A62E6992021@mac.com>
Message-ID: <122544694140.20140208165728@ahsoftware.net>

Paul, Howard-

Saturday, February 8, 2014, 3:07:28 PM, you wrote:

> You need a Business account or a Pro account with add ons for version history.

Not necessary.

> On 2014-02-07, at 12:36 PM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:

>> However, I don't see the stack versioning you describe in any of my stack
>> files on Dropbox. Is there something specific one needs to do in order to
>> invoke this characteristic of Dropbox?

(the description below is for linux, I assume other OSs are similar)

Right-click on the Dropbox icon in the tray
Select Launch Dropbox website
Find the file you're interested in
Right-click the file for the contextual menu
Select Previous versions
>From the list that appears, select one checkbox
  (ignore the fact that the checkbox looks like a radio button)
Click the Restore button

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From paulhibbert at mac.com  Sat Feb  8 20:54:59 2014
From: paulhibbert at mac.com (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 17:54:59 -0800
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <122544694140.20140208165728@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOpWwtS2Vuafqk5RSZjLHDfGgoAOPX_XzDLXjCj9ADPYRrNSMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<31D739D7-C5B5-4FC2-B5D4-6A62E6992021@mac.com>
	<122544694140.20140208165728@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <1F5D27BB-6CCC-48DE-8AD1-95BECB49DD15@mac.com>

Mark,

Thank you for sharing that, I looked all over for this when I heard about it, but when I saw the add on in the price structure I stopped looking. 

I guess Dropbox has one thing in common with LiveCode then - occasionally lacking in documentation!

Thanks again,

Paul

On 2014-02-08, at 4:57 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Paul, Howard-
> 
> Saturday, February 8, 2014, 3:07:28 PM, you wrote:
> 
>> You need a Business account or a Pro account with add ons for version history.
> 
> Not necessary.
> 
>> On 2014-02-07, at 12:36 PM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:
> 
>>> However, I don't see the stack versioning you describe in any of my stack
>>> files on Dropbox. Is there something specific one needs to do in order to
>>> invoke this characteristic of Dropbox?
> 
> (the description below is for linux, I assume other OSs are similar)
> 
> Right-click on the Dropbox icon in the tray
> Select Launch Dropbox website
> Find the file you're interested in
> Right-click the file for the contextual menu
> Select Previous versions
> From the list that appears, select one checkbox
>  (ignore the fact that the checkbox looks like a radio button)
> Click the Restore button
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Feb  8 21:34:37 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 03:34:37 +0100
Subject: Alternative Answer Dialog
Message-ID: <52F6E93D.7010503@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

For a project, I needed an answer dialog that allows the user to click 
just once and then hide the message forever. This answer dialog is now 
available in the private section of my website. You can download it 
after making a donation.

More info: http://qery.us/440

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/



From CFORD at mailbox.sc.edu  Sat Feb  8 23:51:42 2014
From: CFORD at mailbox.sc.edu (FORD JR., CURT)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 04:51:42 +0000
Subject: Windows 7: Chinese characters replacing quotes & apostrophes in
	English text
Message-ID: <4AC93F8FE7AA27449837C912ED6305211BAD2705@CAE145EMBP04.ds.sc.edu>

A module which has been problem-free on most computers is showing odd behavior on one client's computer: Chinese characters appear replacing an apostrophe + s, or a contraction with an apostrophe, in the English text, and also where there are opening & closing quotes. m-dashes also aren't displaying properly.

The text was pasted into Livecode from an rtf document and is displayed in the Charis SIL font, which our installer installs (other parts of the text make clear the font is installing normally). It's not editable or even selectable, and the module doesn't involve any htmltext or unicodetext routines.

One thing different on this system may be that the user is running Windows 7 Ultimate English version, with Chinese language support.

Any ideas on what's happening, or how to fix it?

thanks,

Curt


From johnpatten at me.com  Sun Feb  9 00:11:34 2014
From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:11:34 -0800
Subject: Parsing CSV File Via Array - Part I
Message-ID: <30338EFF-1057-40ED-80C9-4AEA3DBE0983@me.com>

Hi All,
I?m trying to parse a Google Form csv data file. Each row in csv represents one completed form entry by a user. The Google Form (survey) allows for specific drop down selections. Here?s some sample form csv data:

End,End,End,Middle,
Just right,Too loud,Too loud,Just right,
No,Yes,No,No,

I?m trying to use an array to pull out each item and the item counts. This is what I would like have reported out:

End,3
Middle,1
Just right,2
Too loud,2
No,3
Yes,1

Myscript is working, but because I call the same array each time I loop through my reported out data is out of order. It looks like:

Yes,1
Just right,2
No,3
Too loud,2
Middle,1
End,3

(Msg end of Part I)



From johnpatten at me.com  Sun Feb  9 00:12:32 2014
From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:12:32 -0800
Subject: Parsing CSV File VIA Array? (Part II)
Message-ID: <73D6E491-7E9F-4C56-B5C3-02F4B60078F5@me.com>

(Part II of MSG)
Here?s the script I?m using:

on mouseUp
   put 1 into tTargetLine
   repeat for number of lines in cd fld "itemHold"
    get line tTargetLine of cd fld "itemHold"
   repeat with y = 1 to the number of items of it
      put item y of it into counterArray[item y of it][y]
   end repeat
put the keys of counterArray into cd fld "Group2"

-- my error is in here when I begin the subsequent loops i think as the array continues to add elements

repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in cd fld "group2"
   put line x of cd fld "group2" into tElement
put 0 into tCounter
repeat for each element thisElement in counterArray[tElement]
   put thisElement & return after cd fld "group3"
   add 1 to tCounter
end repeat
put "," & tCounter after line X of cd fld "group2"
put "" into cd fld "group3"
end repeat
put return after cd fld "group2"
add 1 to tTargetLine
end repeat
end mouseUp

I?m afraid I?m making this more complicated than it has to be. Any suggestions?

Thank you!

From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Feb  9 00:13:56 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 21:13:56 -0800
Subject: Parsing CSV File Via Array - Part I
In-Reply-To: <30338EFF-1057-40ED-80C9-4AEA3DBE0983@me.com>
References: <30338EFF-1057-40ED-80C9-4AEA3DBE0983@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHL16WLB_JQXnVpB=pX+7SjPwbtmR6Ne2Pu_L04YFCL3-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 9:11 PM, JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:
> I?m trying to use an array to pull out each item and the item counts


arrays don't keep track of their order. You need to add an index 'field'

--
Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 00:32:38 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 23:32:38 -0600
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <122544694140.20140208165728@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOpWwtS2Vuafqk5RSZjLHDfGgoAOPX_XzDLXjCj9ADPYRrNSMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<31D739D7-C5B5-4FC2-B5D4-6A62E6992021@mac.com>
	<122544694140.20140208165728@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoC74e8z9x4Bnx1Ku9xP6WQ+WY9gyXxKcN_uvmfnnFMYQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Right-click on the Dropbox icon in the tray
> Select Launch Dropbox website
> Find the file you're interested in
> Right-click the file for the contextual menu
> Select Previous versions
> From the list that appears, select one checkbox
>   (ignore the fact that the checkbox looks like a radio button)
> Click the Restore button
>

Yep, same here on OS X. I started by simply using a browser and going to
dropbox.com and signing in, but from "Find the file you're interested in"
it's identical.


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 00:41:09 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 23:41:09 -0600
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> put 30 "a" into goop, but that is a recipe for failure, and
> put 30 "a"'s into goop is almost unreadable
>

If we're devising syntax, I think some other languages use * as in:

put 30 * "a" into goop

This still runs into problems because of LC's typeless variables:

put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
put 5 * "15" -- puts 1515151515
put 15 into x
put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
put "15" into x
put 5 * 15 -- still puts 75, nor should it change

Perhaps "of"?

put 5 of 15 -- puts 1515151515


From jhj at jhj.com  Sun Feb  9 00:54:19 2014
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 21:54:19 -0800
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E0E95713-8442-4B18-B6E8-188D2EF0C979@jhj.com>

How about rpt(15,5) ? If you don't quote the "15", the numberformat would take effect, I guess.

On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:41 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:
> 
>> put 30 "a" into goop, but that is a recipe for failure, and
>> put 30 "a"'s into goop is almost unreadable
>> 
> 
> If we're devising syntax, I think some other languages use * as in:
> 
> put 30 * "a" into goop
> 
> This still runs into problems because of LC's typeless variables:
> 
> put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
> put 5 * "15" -- puts 1515151515
> put 15 into x
> put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
> put "15" into x
> put 5 * 15 -- still puts 75, nor should it change
> 
> Perhaps "of"?
> 
> put 5 of 15 -- puts 1515151515
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 04:54:35 2014
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 09:54:35 +0000
Subject: Stacks, cards and memory on mobile
Message-ID: <CAGASioPiH6fTxQY5WPSPBd2AFiSXsDUgMmPzKuSnPBqMbs-y9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone done any tests regarding the size of a stack in terms of what
works on mobile. My guess is that the entire stack is loaded into memory,
so if you are creating an app which references a lot of text and images,
you should link to them as external data.

But what sort of size file / memory requirements should you be aiming at?


From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Sun Feb  9 05:51:35 2014
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 02:51:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1391943095315-4675644.post@n4.nabble.com>

And for easy Android testing.. 
Install DropBox on Android 
then have LiveCode save the apk into your DropBox folder on your dev
computer
open the apk from the Android DropBox
install onto device.

Been using DropBox for quick and easy versioning for a few years now and
also have an account with Copy which backs up my DropBox folder.. all free
easy and quick.

  DropBox <https://db.tt/KIkCJVuc>  

Copy <https://copy.com?r=tfjqOy>  




-----
Andy Piddock 


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now:
Get Copy 


Your LiveCode Work Desks - New Blog
http://livecodemydesk.blogspot.de/  

PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder.
http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Stupid-simple-version-control-using-dropbox-tp4675563p4675644.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From CFORD at mailbox.sc.edu  Sun Feb  9 07:40:12 2014
From: CFORD at mailbox.sc.edu (FORD JR., CURT)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:40:12 +0000
Subject: Windows 7: Chinese characters replacing quotes & apostrophes in
	English text
Message-ID: <4AC93F8FE7AA27449837C912ED6305211BAD91A7@CAE145EMBP04.ds.sc.edu>

A little progress: the customer reports that

"switched system locale from Simplified Chinese to English (US) to see some magic, as a computer magazine I had once read said it might work sometimes. It works! Those strange Chinese characters are gone and even the audio bars appear. But the ebook window stops operating everytime I turn from Page.12 to Page.13. It stucks for several seconds. After the locale switching, some of my Chinese programs don't work well any more. One program gets the Chinese charaters on its menu blurred, as is shown in attachment screenshot 3.1. Another program has no Chinese characters on the interface, which is presented in screenshot 3.2."

..so it looks like we should recommend that people switch system locale to English when using the module..

This one was created on April 14 2013 so it was probably Livecode 5.something - not sure unfortunately. Anyone have any idea whether trying again with 6.5.2 might help?

thanks,

Curt


From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb  9 10:48:46 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 07:48:46 -0800
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <1F5D27BB-6CCC-48DE-8AD1-95BECB49DD15@mac.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOpWwtS2Vuafqk5RSZjLHDfGgoAOPX_XzDLXjCj9ADPYRrNSMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<31D739D7-C5B5-4FC2-B5D4-6A62E6992021@mac.com>
	<122544694140.20140208165728@ahsoftware.net>
	<1F5D27BB-6CCC-48DE-8AD1-95BECB49DD15@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOojYVXWtcKNd7nXKWAs0BOkj-zKDAN+1jW91CRJv73Cw@mail.gmail.com>

Google Drive has the same feature. Right click a file, Manage versions.
Never thought about using it for version control, thanks for the idea.

Pete
lcSQL Software
On Feb 8, 2014 5:54 PM, "Paul Hibbert" <paulhibbert at mac.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Thank you for sharing that, I looked all over for this when I heard about
> it, but when I saw the add on in the price structure I stopped looking.
>
> I guess Dropbox has one thing in common with LiveCode then - occasionally
> lacking in documentation!
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Paul
>
> On 2014-02-08, at 4:57 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
> > Paul, Howard-
> >
> > Saturday, February 8, 2014, 3:07:28 PM, you wrote:
> >
> >> You need a Business account or a Pro account with add ons for version
> history.
> >
> > Not necessary.
> >
> >> On 2014-02-07, at 12:36 PM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>> However, I don't see the stack versioning you describe in any of my
> stack
> >>> files on Dropbox. Is there something specific one needs to do in order
> to
> >>> invoke this characteristic of Dropbox?
> >
> > (the description below is for linux, I assume other OSs are similar)
> >
> > Right-click on the Dropbox icon in the tray
> > Select Launch Dropbox website
> > Find the file you're interested in
> > Right-click the file for the contextual menu
> > Select Previous versions
> > From the list that appears, select one checkbox
> >  (ignore the fact that the checkbox looks like a radio button)
> > Click the Restore button
> >
> > --
> > -Mark Wieder
> > ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Sun Feb  9 11:02:16 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:02:16 -0500
Subject: Parsing CSV File Via Array - Part I
In-Reply-To: <30338EFF-1057-40ED-80C9-4AEA3DBE0983@me.com>
References: <30338EFF-1057-40ED-80C9-4AEA3DBE0983@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXPw_XgrZ6NVtE3oiWhRdUrv7rQbsbUQayw7LONRq4tkxw@mail.gmail.com>

I have used the csv function in Richard Gaskin's article, "CSV must die".
It works great on Google form data.

http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/csv-must-die.html

~Roger
On Feb 9, 2014 12:12 AM, "JOHN PATTEN" <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I'm trying to parse a Google Form csv data file. Each row in csv
> represents one completed form entry by a user. The Google Form (survey)
> allows for specific drop down selections. Here's some sample form csv data:
>
> End,End,End,Middle,
> Just right,Too loud,Too loud,Just right,
> No,Yes,No,No,
>
> I'm trying to use an array to pull out each item and the item counts. This
> is what I would like have reported out:
>
> End,3
> Middle,1
> Just right,2
> Too loud,2
> No,3
> Yes,1
>
> Myscript is working, but because I call the same array each time I loop
> through my reported out data is out of order. It looks like:
>
> Yes,1
> Just right,2
> No,3
> Too loud,2
> Middle,1
> End,3
>
> (Msg end of Part I)
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb  9 11:32:02 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:32:02 -0500
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.2 and demo version
In-Reply-To: <52F65223.6090901@splash21.com>
References: <52F65223.6090901@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOzmksVBOR65mHsBaffm7VsBNDBp9hWP27gE=zY0Ubguw@mail.gmail.com>

Whoa.  Dude, the manual was nice, and this version looks like more fun than
the last one...


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 10:49 AM, John Craig <john at splash21.com> wrote:

> The MobGUI plugin has been updated to V1.2 and there's now a demo version
> available for download.
> The plugin also comes bundled with mobguicons - royalty free icon fonts to
> use in your projects.
>
> See www.mobgui.com and the MobGUI forum (http://forums.runrev.com/
> viewforum.php?f=54) for more details.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb  9 11:33:23 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:33:23 -0500
Subject: Stacks, cards and memory on mobile
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioPiH6fTxQY5WPSPBd2AFiSXsDUgMmPzKuSnPBqMbs-y9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGASioPiH6fTxQY5WPSPBd2AFiSXsDUgMmPzKuSnPBqMbs-y9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMjBSPsBPMc1Qs2v4D4Z4NGmvVt6r6cCwv70SoF5VfAuA@mail.gmail.com>

I have some fairly substantial databases that I'm accessing, and I have run
into no issues as yet, and they are screaming fast.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 4:54 AM, David Bovill <david.bovill at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone done any tests regarding the size of a stack in terms of what
> works on mobile. My guess is that the entire stack is loaded into memory,
> so if you are creating an app which references a lot of text and images,
> you should link to them as external data.
>
> But what sort of size file / memory requirements should you be aiming at?
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb  9 11:34:54 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 11:34:54 -0500
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOojYVXWtcKNd7nXKWAs0BOkj-zKDAN+1jW91CRJv73Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOpWwtS2Vuafqk5RSZjLHDfGgoAOPX_XzDLXjCj9ADPYRrNSMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<31D739D7-C5B5-4FC2-B5D4-6A62E6992021@mac.com>
	<122544694140.20140208165728@ahsoftware.net>
	<1F5D27BB-6CCC-48DE-8AD1-95BECB49DD15@mac.com>
	<CAGDT7eOojYVXWtcKNd7nXKWAs0BOkj-zKDAN+1jW91CRJv73Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMJkvPywuH9=S5S7n97B7mNw5gwvqW=84GQeTb=QHUKtA@mail.gmail.com>

Now if you could mark/name the versions...


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Google Drive has the same feature. Right click a file, Manage versions.
> Never thought about using it for version control, thanks for the idea.
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software
> On Feb 8, 2014 5:54 PM, "Paul Hibbert" <paulhibbert at mac.com> wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > Thank you for sharing that, I looked all over for this when I heard about
> > it, but when I saw the add on in the price structure I stopped looking.
> >
> > I guess Dropbox has one thing in common with LiveCode then - occasionally
> > lacking in documentation!
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > On 2014-02-08, at 4:57 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Paul, Howard-
> > >
> > > Saturday, February 8, 2014, 3:07:28 PM, you wrote:
> > >
> > >> You need a Business account or a Pro account with add ons for version
> > history.
> > >
> > > Not necessary.
> > >
> > >> On 2014-02-07, at 12:36 PM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>> However, I don't see the stack versioning you describe in any of my
> > stack
> > >>> files on Dropbox. Is there something specific one needs to do in
> order
> > to
> > >>> invoke this characteristic of Dropbox?
> > >
> > > (the description below is for linux, I assume other OSs are similar)
> > >
> > > Right-click on the Dropbox icon in the tray
> > > Select Launch Dropbox website
> > > Find the file you're interested in
> > > Right-click the file for the contextual menu
> > > Select Previous versions
> > > From the list that appears, select one checkbox
> > >  (ignore the fact that the checkbox looks like a radio button)
> > > Click the Restore button
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Mark Wieder
> > > ahsoftware at gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From johnpatten at me.com  Sun Feb  9 11:35:37 2014
From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 08:35:37 -0800
Subject: Parsing CSV File Via Array - Part I
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPw_XgrZ6NVtE3oiWhRdUrv7rQbsbUQayw7LONRq4tkxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30338EFF-1057-40ED-80C9-4AEA3DBE0983@me.com>
	<CAAT6EXPw_XgrZ6NVtE3oiWhRdUrv7rQbsbUQayw7LONRq4tkxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF4CAECD-2184-48E2-803C-9652496EECC3@me.com>

Thanks Stephen & Roger?

I?m looking at the tutorial here: http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4071/l/11494-how-do-i-sort-an-array 

But I?m not getting my head around creating a index in order to keep the order of my elements straight. In my script, I thought I was creating an index out of the array? 
?
repeat with y = 1 to the number of items of it ## row spreadsheet data from Google Form
     put item y of it into counterArray[item y of it][y]
?

I see how I can replace my comma deliminated data with tab delimitated data thanks to Richard?s article Roger shared. It looks like LiveCode automagically orders the elements of the array it creates alphabetically? Is that correct? I?m guessing that is why my data is out of order?

Thanks for the suggestions, but still not quite there yet :)




On Feb 9, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:

> I have used the csv function in Richard Gaskin's article, "CSV must die".
> It works great on Google form data.
> 
> http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/csv-must-die.html
> 
> ~Roger
> On Feb 9, 2014 12:12 AM, "JOHN PATTEN" <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I'm trying to parse a Google Form csv data file. Each row in csv
>> represents one completed form entry by a user. The Google Form (survey)
>> allows for specific drop down selections. Here's some sample form csv data:
>> 
>> End,End,End,Middle,
>> Just right,Too loud,Too loud,Just right,
>> No,Yes,No,No,
>> 
>> I'm trying to use an array to pull out each item and the item counts. This
>> is what I would like have reported out:
>> 
>> End,3
>> Middle,1
>> Just right,2
>> Too loud,2
>> No,3
>> Yes,1
>> 
>> Myscript is working, but because I call the same array each time I loop
>> through my reported out data is out of order. It looks like:
>> 
>> Yes,1
>> Just right,2
>> No,3
>> Too loud,2
>> Middle,1
>> End,3
>> 
>> (Msg end of Part I)
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb  9 11:40:39 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 10:40:39 -0600
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <1F5D27BB-6CCC-48DE-8AD1-95BECB49DD15@mac.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOpWwtS2Vuafqk5RSZjLHDfGgoAOPX_XzDLXjCj9ADPYRrNSMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<31D739D7-C5B5-4FC2-B5D4-6A62E6992021@mac.com>
	<122544694140.20140208165728@ahsoftware.net>
	<1F5D27BB-6CCC-48DE-8AD1-95BECB49DD15@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9a8c7bca-ad88-42e8-a086-9334fa99b9dd@email.android.com>

Actually you were partly right.  The free account will save versions for only 30 days.  After that older versions roll off.  The paid accounts keep all versions forever.  

On February 8, 2014 7:54:59 PM CST, Paul Hibbert <paulhibbert at mac.com> wrote:
>Mark,
>
>Thank you for sharing that, I looked all over for this when I heard
>about it, but when I saw the add on in the price structure I stopped
>looking. 
>
>I guess Dropbox has one thing in common with LiveCode then -
>occasionally lacking in documentation!
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Paul
>
>On 2014-02-08, at 4:57 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
>> Paul, Howard-
>> 
>> Saturday, February 8, 2014, 3:07:28 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> You need a Business account or a Pro account with add ons for
>version history.
>> 
>> Not necessary.
>> 
>>> On 2014-02-07, at 12:36 PM, Howard Bornstein
><bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> However, I don't see the stack versioning you describe in any of my
>stack
>>>> files on Dropbox. Is there something specific one needs to do in
>order to
>>>> invoke this characteristic of Dropbox?
>> 
>> (the description below is for linux, I assume other OSs are similar)
>> 
>> Right-click on the Dropbox icon in the tray
>> Select Launch Dropbox website
>> Find the file you're interested in
>> Right-click the file for the contextual menu
>> Select Previous versions
>> From the list that appears, select one checkbox
>>  (ignore the fact that the checkbox looks like a radio button)
>> Click the Restore button
>> 
>> -- 
>> -Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb  9 13:00:48 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 10:00:48 -0800
Subject: Parsing CSV File Via Array - Part I
In-Reply-To: <EF4CAECD-2184-48E2-803C-9652496EECC3@me.com>
References: <30338EFF-1057-40ED-80C9-4AEA3DBE0983@me.com>
	<CAAT6EXPw_XgrZ6NVtE3oiWhRdUrv7rQbsbUQayw7LONRq4tkxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF4CAECD-2184-48E2-803C-9652496EECC3@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePtYNNXzg7121B+9cUpazqbfHB69zr5QkJtD8qEuBOtag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,
The problem is that order in which your array keys are being returned to
you is not in any sort of sequence.

I'm not quite sure of your needs but if you want the data to come back in
alphabetical order then:

put the keys of counterArray into tKeys
sort tKeys
repeat for each line rKey in tKeys
<whatever you need to do>
end repeat

If you want the keys to come back in the order in which you encounter the
keywords, it gets a bit more complicated and you'll need to keep some sort
of index to the order of the items.  Maybe something like this:

repeat for each item rItem in it
     if lineOffset(rItem, tWords)=zero then
         put rItem & return after tWords
     end if
      add 1 to counterArray[lineOffset(rItem, tWords)
end repeat

tWords will contain a list of the words in the order they were encountered
in your csv file

To get the data back:

repeat for each line rWord in tWords
      put rWord,counterArray[lineOffset(rWord,tWords)] & return after
tWordCounts
end repeat

Is that something close to what you need?







Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:35 AM, JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:

> Thanks Stephen & Roger...
>
> I'm looking at the tutorial here:
> http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/4071/l/11494-how-do-i-sort-an-array
>
> But I'm not getting my head around creating a index in order to keep the
> order of my elements straight. In my script, I thought I was creating an
> index out of the array?
> ...
> repeat with y = 1 to the number of items of it ## row spreadsheet data
> from Google Form
>      put item y of it into counterArray[item y of it][y]
> ...
>
> I see how I can replace my comma deliminated data with tab delimitated
> data thanks to Richard's article Roger shared. It looks like LiveCode
> automagically orders the elements of the array it creates alphabetically?
> Is that correct? I'm guessing that is why my data is out of order?
>
> Thanks for the suggestions, but still not quite there yet :)
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have used the csv function in Richard Gaskin's article, "CSV must die".
> > It works great on Google form data.
> >
> > http://www.fourthworld.com/embassy/articles/csv-must-die.html
> >
> > ~Roger
> > On Feb 9, 2014 12:12 AM, "JOHN PATTEN" <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >> I'm trying to parse a Google Form csv data file. Each row in csv
> >> represents one completed form entry by a user. The Google Form (survey)
> >> allows for specific drop down selections. Here's some sample form csv
> data:
> >>
> >> End,End,End,Middle,
> >> Just right,Too loud,Too loud,Just right,
> >> No,Yes,No,No,
> >>
> >> I'm trying to use an array to pull out each item and the item counts.
> This
> >> is what I would like have reported out:
> >>
> >> End,3
> >> Middle,1
> >> Just right,2
> >> Too loud,2
> >> No,3
> >> Yes,1
> >>
> >> Myscript is working, but because I call the same array each time I loop
> >> through my reported out data is out of order. It looks like:
> >>
> >> Yes,1
> >> Just right,2
> >> No,3
> >> Too loud,2
> >> Middle,1
> >> End,3
> >>
> >> (Msg end of Part I)
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  9 14:33:11 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 19:33:11 +0000
Subject: Send and the context
In-Reply-To: <52F6798B.9060700@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5C00DD35-5F60-4BC1-8C1F-A12F12650BC8@iotecdigital.com>
	<CF187DAD.3A6CB%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<loom.20140206T200728-606@post.gmane.org>
	<CAG1cpSoks8ofFm9xng5mJhe-KuSCfcNLaHr3nFcHKApYAi229w@mail.gmail.com>
	<14380541478.20140206192133@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eMFLjK0D_uEPS4sxEbCK+5S8mntT+3bbvvMQHXCMGamgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqmxtEKdQAEy8FM5uMQ3Rz4Y+qHJ7t0vj=iYbv_e1VKOw@mail.gmail.com>
	<104426521230.20140207080753@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAG1cpSqjMduaF5Kq+WwHMxgK3Z9Gzrq4Rod9GUiP6dP5YkK8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C122E7A-BCFE-4546-8A85-6007BCDB5ED3@iotecdigital.com>
	<52F6798B.9060700@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8C1E24FC-6576-4370-9B65-A0E6710044AB@iotecdigital.com>

Thanks Jacque. I can see where that may be useful. However, seeing that there seems to be no difference in context between send and dispatch, at least by my experiments, which I admit may have been flawed in some way if others get different results than I did, I can just use dispatch for everything, unless I need to send in time. And since I do not very often use functions to *do* things, just return values, I rarely have a need to send to a function. 

I think my initial aversion to execution contexts is somewhat justified at this point, so I am making it one of my LC coding principles to always ensure my handlers are in the right place to avoid context issues. 

Bob


On Feb 8, 2014, at 10:38 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 2/8/14, 12:34 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> I DID however find one other difference between send and dispatch:
>> You can send a command but NOT a function!
> 
> For functions you can use this:
> 
> get value("myHandler(param)",cd "othercard")
> 
> where the first parameter is the name of the function with its parameters, and the second parameter is the location of the script to query.
> 
> See "value" in the dictionary, especially Oliver's user note.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb  9 14:59:29 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 19:59:29 +0000
Subject: Parsing CSV File VIA Array? (Part II) - Found word(s) list
	error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <4d27b5fd-0a63-4e24-999e-65d54f22a427@lists.runrev.com>
References: <4d27b5fd-0a63-4e24-999e-65d54f22a427@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C4F2AC93-29A4-4622-87A2-6F0772B2739B@iotecdigital.com>

Step through the repeat loop by putting a breakpoint in your handler just before the first repeat loop. Each time your handler changes an element in your array, inspect the array to ensure what you expected is what you got. There really is no other way to be certain you know what is in the array simply by following the lines of code. Not unless your brain uses fault intolerant persistent memory, which mine does not. 

also, it may be useful to use the form:

repeat for each line theLine in theData

Be careful using this form that you do not alter theData (by my example) as this will royally hose your results. 

Also, it may make it easier to read by putting an empty line before and after your control structures. It helps me anyway. 

on mouseUp
     put 1 into tTargetLine
   
     repeat for number of lines in cd fld "itemHold"
         get line tTargetLine of cd fld "itemHold"
      
        repeat with y = 1 to the number of items of it
              put item y of it into counterArray[item y of it][y]
        end repeat
      
      put the keys of counterArray into cd fld "Group2"
      
      -- my error is in here when I begin the subsequent loops i think as the array continues to add elements
      
      repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in cd fld "group2"
           put line x of cd fld "group2" into tElement
         put 0 into tCounter
         
         repeat for each element thisElement in counterArray[tElement]
              put thisElement & return after cd fld "group3"
              add 1 to tCounter
         end repeat
         
         put "," & tCounter after line X of cd fld "group2"
         put "" into cd fld "group3"
      end repeat
      
      put return after cd fld "group2"
      add 1 to tTargetLine
   end repeat
end mouseUp

Bob
On Feb 8, 2014, at 21:12 , JOHN PATTEN <johnpatten at me.com> wrote:

> (Part II of MSG)
> Here?s the script I?m using:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put 1 into tTargetLine
>   repeat for number of lines in cd fld "itemHold"
>    get line tTargetLine of cd fld "itemHold"
>   repeat with y = 1 to the number of items of it
>      put item y of it into counterArray[item y of it][y]
>   end repeat
> put the keys of counterArray into cd fld "Group2"
> 
> -- my error is in here when I begin the subsequent loops i think as the array continues to add elements
> 
> repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in cd fld "group2"
>   put line x of cd fld "group2" into tElement
> put 0 into tCounter
> repeat for each element thisElement in counterArray[tElement]
>   put thisElement & return after cd fld "group3"
>   add 1 to tCounter
> end repeat
> put "," & tCounter after line X of cd fld "group2"
> put "" into cd fld "group3"
> end repeat
> put return after cd fld "group2"
> add 1 to tTargetLine
> end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 
> I?m afraid I?m making this more complicated than it has to be. Any suggestions?
> 
> Thank you!
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Sun Feb  9 17:15:51 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 22:15:51 +0000
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function
Message-ID: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDCC1E4@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>

Hi,

What is the best way to keep repeating a handler/function.

In the past I have placed a 'repeat until local variable = false' in the handler to keep it repeating but I don't imagine this is the most efficient way.
Am I better off using the send option or dispatch ?

Any opinions would be appreciated.







COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb  9 17:20:26 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 16:20:26 -0600
Subject: Windows 7: Chinese characters replacing quotes & apostrophes
	in English text
In-Reply-To: <4AC93F8FE7AA27449837C912ED6305211BAD2705@CAE145EMBP04.ds.sc.edu>
References: <4AC93F8FE7AA27449837C912ED6305211BAD2705@CAE145EMBP04.ds.sc.edu>
Message-ID: <52F7FF2A.4080806@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/8/14, 10:51 PM, FORD JR., CURT wrote:
> A module which has been problem-free on most computers is showing odd
> behavior on one client's computer: Chinese characters appear
> replacing an apostrophe + s, or a contraction with an apostrophe, in
> the English text, and also where there are opening & closing quotes.
> m-dashes also aren't displaying properly.
>
> The text was pasted into Livecode from an rtf document and is
> displayed in the Charis SIL font, which our installer installs (other
> parts of the text make clear the font is installing normally). It's
> not editable or even selectable, and the module doesn't involve any
> htmltext or unicodetext routines.
>
> One thing different on this system may be that the user is running
> Windows 7 Ultimate English version, with Chinese language support.
>
> Any ideas on what's happening, or how to fix it?

I'm not sure it will work in this case, but you can try running the text 
through this:

function utf8decode pString -- convert utf8 to LC native
   return unidecode(uniencode(pString,"UTF8"))
end utf8decode

You'd probably need to do that after converting the rtf text to LiveCode 
native text.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb  9 17:50:21 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 16:50:21 -0600
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <1391943095315-4675644.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1391943095315-4675644.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <52F8062D.501@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/9/14, 4:51 AM, AndyP wrote:
> And for easy Android testing..
> Install DropBox on Android
> then have LiveCode save the apk into your DropBox folder on your dev
> computer
> open the apk from the Android DropBox
> install onto device.

Yup, I've been doing it that way for a long time and it works great.

>
> Been using DropBox for quick and easy versioning for a few years now and
> also have an account with Copy which backs up my DropBox folder.. all free
> easy and quick.
>
>    DropBox <https://db.tt/KIkCJVuc>
>
> Copy <https://copy.com?r=tfjqOy>

I hadn't heard of Copy before and was excited to hear it would work with 
aliases, because I want to keep my files in my own folder structure. 
Spent a while today trying it. It isn't ready for prime time yet, in 
fact, it messed up a whole lot of my files. It follows aliases 
recursively -- that is, if you put an aliased folder into Copy, and that 
folder has another aliased folder in it, then every last file in all the 
paths along the way get copied. I now have a few hundred unwanted files 
in there to delete, and even when I remove them from Copy their icons on 
my hard drive don't change. I now have a couple hundred files with their 
little checkmark icon on them.

Also, if you alias a folder, and then put another aliased folder inside 
that, it doesn't see it. It apparently only follows aliased folders at 
the root level.

Since OS X has decided to make their new aliases about 20x larger than 
the original file, I tried symlinks. I couldn't get Copy to honor those, 
though they say they should work (but maybe they weren't at the root 
level, I can't remember.) If you use Apple's huge aliases, even after 
removing the custom icon, you'll quickly use up your space. Apple has 
ballooned their aliases to include a ton of stuff, and my 2K text file 
has an alias that is almost 3 megs in size. Copy counts disk space by 
the alias file size rather than the actual file sizes, so instead of 
deducting 2K of space, it took off 3 megs.

Maybe I'll try again some other time when they mature a bit. If anyone 
knows an automator sequence that can remove hundreds of custom icons 
from files, I'd love to know about it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 20:51:12 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 20:51:12 -0500
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <52F8062D.501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1391943095315-4675644.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<52F8062D.501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9571AFD6-DD49-4010-9034-F6B399EE6009@gmail.com>

On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Apple has ballooned their aliases to include a ton of stuff, and my 2K text file has an alias that is almost 3 megs in size.

Wait a minute! What could possibly be taking up 3Mb is a simple pointer with an icon? Is this Mavericks? What in the blue blazes is Apple doing??? Anybody know?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 20:54:05 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 17:54:05 -0800
Subject: Parsing CSV File VIA Array? (Part II) - Found word(s) list error
	in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <C4F2AC93-29A4-4622-87A2-6F0772B2739B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <4d27b5fd-0a63-4e24-999e-65d54f22a427@lists.runrev.com>
	<C4F2AC93-29A4-4622-87A2-6F0772B2739B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHqQdxGhQQU6dbxqNc1ZO-rCk7OV9L+tLXpk7swzZhoLA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> also, it may be useful to use the form:
>
> repeat for each line theLine in theData
>

and if there are multi-line entries in the csv data, it  may be worth
replacing the commas that are *real* delimiters with vtab, and then

set the linedelim to vtab
repeat for each line theDat in theData
   do something
end repeat


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb  9 22:38:26 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:38:26 -0600
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <9571AFD6-DD49-4010-9034-F6B399EE6009@gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>	<1391943095315-4675644.post@n4.nabble.com>	<52F8062D.501@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9571AFD6-DD49-4010-9034-F6B399EE6009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F849B2.2090904@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/9/14, 7:51 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> Apple has ballooned their aliases to include a ton of stuff, and my
>> 2K text file has an alias that is almost 3 megs in size.
>
> Wait a minute! What could possibly be taking up 3Mb is a simple
> pointer with an icon? Is this Mavericks? What in the blue blazes is
> Apple doing??? Anybody know?

I wondered the same thing when I noticed it. Apparently it started in Mt 
Lion, and continues in Mavericks. It isn't a simple pointer any more, 
it's a mass of info, including one or more icon images along with folder 
information and other data. You can delete at least one of the extra 
icon images by cutting it in the Get Info box, which reduces the size 
somewhat, but not entirely. The size apparently depends on all sorts of 
factors. In many cases the alias is larger than the original file.

Google "mac os huge alias file" and you'll get hits. Here's one:

<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3988292?tstart=0>

You can make symlinks in Terminal or use a utility, those are still 
tiny. But they break if you move the original file, of course.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Feb 10 00:16:10 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 00:16:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function
In-Reply-To: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDCC1E4@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDCC1E4@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <8D0F43658063ECB-AA4-14E4A@webmail-d286.sysops.aol.com>

Hi.


Doesn't this depend on the nature of the task? For example, in your "repeat until" experience, does the situation naturally call for a condition to be met, and then a different action taken, that is, that the repeat end at that specific time?


The construct:


on doSomething
  blahBlahBlah
  if <condition> then send "doSoemthing" to me in 1
end doSomething


Is really just another way to create a "loop", albeit with many advantages.


So if you are familiar with this sort of thing as well as the handful of repeat variants, it would seem that the task dictates the selection of which to use. Is there some special problem you have where you are uncertain which way to go?


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: Nakia Brewer <Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2014 5:16 pm
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function


Hi,

What is the best way to keep repeating a handler/function.

In the past I have placed a 'repeat until local variable = false' in the handler 
to keep it repeating but I don't imagine this is the most efficient way.
Am I better off using the send option or dispatch ?

Any opinions would be appreciated.







COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain 
confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended 
recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or 
distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from 
WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on 
+61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, 
data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised 
amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From j at unmla.com  Mon Feb 10 00:43:33 2014
From: j at unmla.com (j at unmla.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:43:33 +0000
Subject: LiveCode in Elementary Schools
Message-ID: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi. I'm interested in learning whether LiveCode is an appropriate tool for introducing elementary school children to the field of computer science. Does anyone know of any case studies, resources, or other leads along these lines?


Also, I'd be interested in knowing whether there are any other LiveCode enthusiasts in Northern New Mexico.


Thanks, Joseph


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 05:29:34 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:29:34 +0200
Subject: Movies ?
Message-ID: <52F8AA0E.6060403@gmail.com>

It's fantasy time again.

I was musing on export/write to file a sequence of images as,
either, an animated GIF, or a .mov/.avi file.

I could just load the image sequence into Quicktime Pro and
press button A: but that would not work in, say, a stack/standalone that
would generate a film for an end-user automatically.

Clever people might be able to automate Quicktime from inside LC,
but that presupposes the end-user has Quicktime Pro on their machine.

Richmond.



From mblivecode at harbourhosting.co.uk  Mon Feb 10 06:24:13 2014
From: mblivecode at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:24:13 +0000
Subject: Stupid simple version control using dropbox
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtr7-sepu-ASeNDCf4Y_2zHDpfnhiAPTsxCy6MyDGZf9vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F8B6DD.2030700@harbourhosting.co.uk>

On 07/02/14 14:50, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> Not sure if this has been posted before, but just in case: If you store
> your stack files in the dropbox folder on your computer, dropbox does a
> really good job of saving a copy of each separate file whenever the file is
> saved. You can look at a list of the saved versions and get/restore any of
> them.
> 
> It's not git, but as a file-level resource it's a 1000x better than
> nothing. I borked up some code last night (never try to solve a problem at
> 3am that stumped you at 9pm) so I'm really happy that I can just revert to
> the 9pm version and forget whatever it is I did later on.
>

In the interest of balance I feel I should put in a word for Spideroak,
which has given me similarly useful service.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spideroak>

It took me a while to configure it to my taste, as its UI is somewhat
eccentric, but I'm happy enough with it.

Its major SP is the zero-knowledge client-side encryption. While that
isn't verifiable and I personally have no inclination to use any
off-site service to store seriously valuable secrets (assuming I had
any), whether encrypted or not, there are sometimes passwords and so-on
embedded in my files and I'd rather not carry the vague or nagging worry
that I am exposing those in plaintext to the marauding legions of
network snoops and sneaks.

You don't have to set up a special folder for it, you can configure it
to backup whatever folders you want, and you have the option of keeping
a local offline repo as well. It certainly is really useful to be able
to dig out old, good copies of obscure files that have been corrupted
for months before you realised it, or even new ones that got trashed in
some "senior moment".

Worth a look maybe?

Martin




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 10 06:38:23 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:38:23 +0100
Subject: Movies ?
In-Reply-To: <52F8AA0E.6060403@gmail.com>
References: <52F8AA0E.6060403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F8BA2F.1000205@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

I have used the Enhanced QT external to create Snapper Screen Recorder. 
  Additionally, there are severa image2movie utilities. There are also 
command line utilities such as ffmpeg, which can do this.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/10/2014 11:29, Richmond wrote:
> It's fantasy time again.
>
> I was musing on export/write to file a sequence of images as,
> either, an animated GIF, or a .mov/.avi file.
>
> I could just load the image sequence into Quicktime Pro and
> press button A: but that would not work in, say, a stack/standalone that
> would generate a film for an end-user automatically.
>
> Clever people might be able to automate Quicktime from inside LC,
> but that presupposes the end-user has Quicktime Pro on their machine.
>
> Richmond.




From cypruszko at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 10 08:02:49 2014
From: cypruszko at hotmail.com (Cyril Pruszko)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:02:49 +0000
Subject: LiveCode in Elementary Schools
In-Reply-To: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BLU175-W460FB0A24729D6C69A8BBAF900@phx.gbl>

It would be perfect for younger students to learn about computers and programming. They can easily start writing programs without a lot of teaching. Then once they get excited about what they have created and want to do more, you slowly introduce the concepts and programming constructs. It works very well in the classroom
LiveCode, especially, lends itself to students moving ahead on their own. Since it is so English-like, they do not have problems learning the language. The ones who do move ahead are excited to show what they have done and teach their peers what they have learned. They also help each other when problems arise or someone wants to do something different or more difficult. 
Education is moving more towards project-based lessons with emphasis on creativity, independent learning, research, collaboration, teamwork, analytical thinking, project decomposition, problem solving and other skills more relevant to real life and success in one's careers. That is LiveCode.
I am working with elementary schools to develop lessons and would be willing to share what we do. I have been teaching high school students LiveCode for over 4 years now and have learned much about how they work and learn. I have a website that we use and you are welcome to use it to become more familiar with LiveCode:  https://sites.google.com/a/pgcps.org/livecode/home  Although it is rather old, I will be revising it over the summer. I will also be adding teacher's pages with help, assignments and tips. What we develop for the elementary grades will be there too, on separate pages. I welcome any contributions and insights that you may have once you start using it in your classroom.
Welcome to the world of LiveCode and kudos for being willing to use it in the classroom. It is the right decision.
Thanks, Cyril Pruszko
> From: j at unmla.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: LiveCode in Elementary Schools
> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:43:33 +0000
> 
> Hi. I'm interested in learning whether LiveCode is an appropriate tool for introducing elementary school children to the field of computer science. Does anyone know of any case studies, resources, or other leads along these lines?
> 
> 
> Also, I'd be interested in knowing whether there are any other LiveCode enthusiasts in Northern New Mexico.
> 
> 
> Thanks, Joseph
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
 		 	   		  

From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Feb 10 09:51:58 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:51:58 -0500
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <E0E95713-8442-4B18-B6E8-188D2EF0C979@jhj.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0E95713-8442-4B18-B6E8-188D2EF0C979@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycN1WDXg9hi7pyrDeDhPPbWk7Ko1wEk5oAQWyY_gu4gBEg@mail.gmail.com>

the BASIC RPT$ syntax is soooooooo not LC.  "of" might work, though.  I
also hate the * syntax.  Yes, I know what it means, but I'm a CS junkie.


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Jerry Jensen <jhj at jhj.com> wrote:

> How about rpt(15,5) ? If you don't quote the "15", the numberformat would
> take effect, I guess.
>
> On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:41 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> put 30 "a" into goop, but that is a recipe for failure, and
> >> put 30 "a"'s into goop is almost unreadable
> >>
> >
> > If we're devising syntax, I think some other languages use * as in:
> >
> > put 30 * "a" into goop
> >
> > This still runs into problems because of LC's typeless variables:
> >
> > put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
> > put 5 * "15" -- puts 1515151515
> > put 15 into x
> > put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
> > put "15" into x
> > put 5 * 15 -- still puts 75, nor should it change
> >
> > Perhaps "of"?
> >
> > put 5 of 15 -- puts 1515151515
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Feb 10 10:02:03 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:02:03 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
Message-ID: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>

I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
here.

Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other things
done in LC.  For example,
* code folding
* stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially the
last one
* macros in the script editor
* multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
* A real report editor/designer
* Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the product.


Malte has his own list:
1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we have
on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls



One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.


Feedback, please.

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From andrew at ctech.me  Mon Feb 10 10:08:49 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:08:49 -0600
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft_oUhLPt6M_Ci2EomMOitd=KUchMKLU1etV6gEdcvcrng@mail.gmail.com>

>
> 1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
> would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP


and

* A real report editor/designer


Seem like really feasible projects, and would change the game for just
about every thing I do with livecode. I'd sell a piece of my liver for url
commands that were non-blocking.

Andrew




On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
> here.
>
> Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other things
> done in LC.  For example,
> * code folding
> * stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially the
> last one
> * macros in the script editor
> * multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
> * A real report editor/designer
> * Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the product.
>
>
> Malte has his own list:
> 1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
> would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
> 2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
> 3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we have
> on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
> 4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
> 5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls
>
>
>
> One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
> community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.
>
>
> Feedback, please.
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From alain.vezina at logilangue.com  Mon Feb 10 10:13:21 2014
From: alain.vezina at logilangue.com (Alain Vezina)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:13:21 -0500
Subject: new way closing a stack in IOS 7
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52f510ef.515f007c.129f2@fdbqMacBookPro.local>
References: <A8928ED7-2B17-4292-82A2-90DEED4FEB7A@logilangue.com>
	<etPan.52f510ef.515f007c.129f2@fdbqMacBookPro.local>
Message-ID: <15FE83B9-8F57-4CD1-B8CC-A2ED6F41E2E2@logilangue.com>

Hi Ender,

Thanks a lot.

I think this solution is a bit risky but I will try it on a test app.

Alain

Le 2014-02-07 ? 11:59, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com> a ?crit :

> Hi Alain,
> 
> I think what you?re asking is in fact *how to keep alive your app even in the background*;
> then this is what you need:
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=18888#p95224
> 
> And here is the answer of your second question:
> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/MobileHIG/IconMatrix.html
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~ Ender Nafi
> 
> 
> From: Alain Vezina Alain Vezina
> Reply: Alain Vezina alain.vezina at logilangue.com
> Date: February 7, 2014 at 18:49:46
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject:  new way closing a stack in IOS 7  
> Hi All,  
> 
> You know that in IOS 7 there is a way to pass from one app to another : you double press the home button and all the active apps appear in a row, letting you browse from one to another without closing anyone of them. If you want to close any app of this row, you push it up.  
> 
> So, I would like to find the way to do this in LC 6.5. I spent 2 hours in the dictionary and in the tutorials without finding any clue for that question.  
> 
> I am also wondering to what extend Apple obliges developers to be IOS 7 in their apps : I am talking about background image, buttons shape, icons, colors and so on.  
> 
> Regards  
> 
> Alain V?zina  
> Logilangue  
> 514-596-1385  
> www.logilangue.com  
> _______________________________________________  
> use-livecode mailing list  
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Feb 10 10:14:09 2014
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:14:09 +0900
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F8ECC1.7090702@tkf.att.ne.jp>

I'm originally from Chicago... so in the tradition of that great 
city, I'm stuffing the virtual ballot box with votes for this one!!

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan

On 2/11/14 12:02 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:
> * A real report editor/designer



From vclement at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 10:20:24 2014
From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:20:24 -0700
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP6oXhZxqohorLZfB94KFC52mhsHEC3vY-8kRsTyVEMh6=8PYA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Awhile back I proposed a (How to) to offer a LC Codebook for all users to
use online to manage their scripts and several other types of LC content. I
only got a minimal interest.

I am still learning LiveCode like so many other developers. I found the
LiveCode has a rather good Dictionary if you have the time to thumb through
the current 1900+ records. It occurred to me to learn LiveCode a novice or
better developer needs a better interface and to add code tracking in the
distionary. If this could be hosted and allow all users to add their script
knowledge to this dictionary along with custom properties, and custom
functions it would be a real asset. I would also have the app able to use a
very good search feature across any data or fields in the database where
keywords or phrases can be searched. This would call all elements for any
dictionary element/s in a selected group to be reviewed. The current
dictionary is not very useful if you have to search across the entire
dictionary. I am about half way through the dictionary adding the body of
records. When it is done I will offer the dictionary to all users.

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
*http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/
<http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/>*
Skype: vaughn.clement
https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement
FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
LogMeIn also avaialble
Call on "ooVoo" at address:  vaughnclement or 9282549062
Ph. 928-254-9062



On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
> here.
>
> Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other things
> done in LC.  For example,
> * code folding
> * stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially the
> last one
> * macros in the script editor
> * multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
> * A real report editor/designer
> * Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the product.
>
>
> Malte has his own list:
> 1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
> would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
> 2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
> 3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we have
> on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
> 4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
> 5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls
>
>
>
> One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
> community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.
>
>
> Feedback, please.
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Feb 10 10:24:16 2014
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:24:16 +0000
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF1E9DDE.62A21%kevin@runrev.com>

We?re definitely interested. The potential issue I have is that this stuff
was (mostly) promised from Kickstarter and indeed either planned and
specced or even being worked on. Mostly it will be delivered this year at
various points. You guys already backed us on Kickstarter and we can &
will be deliver. The only thing we could do would be to speed things up by
further expanding our dev team, which could bring delivery forward for
?pet? features. I guess we could crowd fund that.

So - here is an open question I don?t know the answer to. Is there
appetite for this in the community? Or would you rather just wait now?
This really is at the ?thinking out loud stage?, happy to get a range of
views as we talk about this internally some more.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can code




On 10/02/2014 15:02, "Mike Kerner" <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

>I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
>here.
>
>Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other things
>done in LC.  For example,
>* code folding
>* stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially the
>last one
>* macros in the script editor
>* multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
>* A real report editor/designer
>* Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the product.
>
>
>Malte has his own list:
>1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
>would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
>2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
>3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we
>have
>on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
>4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
>5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls
>
>
>
>One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
>community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.
>
>
>Feedback, please.
>
>-- 
>On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>On the second day, God created the oceans.
>On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
>And God said, "This is good."
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode





From mgruenthal at mac.com  Mon Feb 10 10:35:51 2014
From: mgruenthal at mac.com (Michael Gruenthal)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 10:35:51 -0500
Subject: new way closing a stack in IOS 7
In-Reply-To: <15FE83B9-8F57-4CD1-B8CC-A2ED6F41E2E2@logilangue.com>
References: <A8928ED7-2B17-4292-82A2-90DEED4FEB7A@logilangue.com>
	<etPan.52f510ef.515f007c.129f2@fdbqMacBookPro.local>
	<15FE83B9-8F57-4CD1-B8CC-A2ED6F41E2E2@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <CF1E5AA3.4588B%mgruenthal@mac.com>

This remains unsupported for now, but will hopefully (re)appear as an option
at some point during the engine refactoring process. A checkbox was in the
standalone builder in the past but hidden. To enhance what your app can do
while suspended, take a look at http://mergext.com/home/mergbgtask/


On 2/10/14, 10:13 AM, "Alain Vezina" <alain.vezina at logilangue.com> wrote:

> Hi Ender,
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> I think this solution is a bit risky but I will try it on a test app.
> 
> Alain
> 
> Le 2014-02-07 ? 11:59, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com> a ?crit :
> 
>>  Hi Alain,
>>  
>>  I think what you?re asking is in fact *how to keep alive your app even in
>> the background*;
>>  then this is what you need:
>>  http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=18888#p95224
>>  
>>  And here is the answer of your second question:
>>  
>> https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/userexperience/conceptu
>> al/MobileHIG/IconMatrix.html
>>  
>>  
>>  Best,
>>  
>>  ~ Ender Nafi
>>  
>>  
>>  From: Alain Vezina Alain Vezina
>>  Reply: Alain Vezina alain.vezina at logilangue.com
>>  Date: February 7, 2014 at 18:49:46
>>  To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>  Subject:  new way closing a stack in IOS 7
>>  Hi All,  
>>  
>>  You know that in IOS 7 there is a way to pass from one app to another : you
>> double press the home button and all the active apps appear in a row, letting
>> you browse from one to another without closing anyone of them. If you want to
>> close any app of this row, you push it up.
>>  
>>  So, I would like to find the way to do this in LC 6.5. I spent 2 hours in
>> the dictionary and in the tutorials without finding any clue for that
>> question.  
>>  
>>  I am also wondering to what extend Apple obliges developers to be IOS 7 in
>> their apps : I am talking about background image, buttons shape, icons,
>> colors and so on.
>>  
>>  Regards  
>>  
>>  Alain V?zina  
>>  Logilangue  
>>  514-596-1385  
>>  www.logilangue.com
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  use-livecode mailing list
>>  use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>  Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
>> preferences:  
>>  http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  use-livecode mailing list
>>  use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>  Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
>> preferences:
>>  http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 




From andrew at ctech.me  Mon Feb 10 10:56:11 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:56:11 -0600
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CF1E9DDE.62A21%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF1E9DDE.62A21%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft_=aa4e-r_qCWPWDypOdrNFn2DFEQ1LoBOEScqV3ojVbA@mail.gmail.com>

Since we all work on software too, some of us professionally, we understand
it takes a while sometimes to deliver on a road map.

I also understand that many kickstarter projects might add stretch goals
that are indeed a bit of a stretch to deliver on to try and build/keep
excitement. But progress that we are privy too on these things is less than
visible as we go in to "a whole year later" territory. Any kind of
timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than theming/res
independence would be great. While I understand that is probably the
hardest stretch goal you have had to deliver, it is also the least
important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev. I think a lot of us
are happy to wait, but that a few of us seem to be getting concerned lately
that we won't get many of those stretch goals any time in the next year or
two.


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> wrote:

> We?re definitely interested. The potential issue I have is that this stuff
> was (mostly) promised from Kickstarter and indeed either planned and
> specced or even being worked on. Mostly it will be delivered this year at
> various points. You guys already backed us on Kickstarter and we can &
> will be deliver. The only thing we could do would be to speed things up by
> further expanding our dev team, which could bring delivery forward for
> ?pet? features. I guess we could crowd fund that.
>
> So - here is an open question I don?t know the answer to. Is there
> appetite for this in the community? Or would you rather just wait now?
> This really is at the ?thinking out loud stage?, happy to get a range of
> views as we talk about this internally some more.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can code
>
>
>
>
> On 10/02/2014 15:02, "Mike Kerner" <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> >I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
> >here.
> >
> >Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other things
> >done in LC.  For example,
> >* code folding
> >* stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially the
> >last one
> >* macros in the script editor
> >* multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
> >* A real report editor/designer
> >* Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the product.
> >
> >
> >Malte has his own list:
> >1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
> >would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
> >2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
> >3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we
> >have
> >on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
> >4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
> >5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls
> >
> >
> >
> >One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
> >community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.
> >
> >
> >Feedback, please.
> >
> >--
> >On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> >And God said, "This is good."
> >_______________________________________________
> >use-livecode mailing list
> >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >subscription preferences:
> >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Feb 10 11:19:08 2014
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:19:08 +0000
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft_=aa4e-r_qCWPWDypOdrNFn2DFEQ1LoBOEScqV3ojVbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF1E9DDE.62A21%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_=aa4e-r_qCWPWDypOdrNFn2DFEQ1LoBOEScqV3ojVbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF1EAB9C.62A41%kevin@runrev.com>

Actually its the core refactor / Unicode that was the really tough bit. A
long time with heads down and only internal dps so far. But in terms of
actual throughput its been massive. The other goals aren?t of the same
scope and as such aren?t as far away as it may seem.

We?re deep into planning for the next phase at the moment. So I?ll write
you guys a more extensive post and/or a newsletter article with an update
on things within the next couple of weeks.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can code




On 10/02/2014 15:56, "Andrew Kluthe" <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

>Since we all work on software too, some of us professionally, we
>understand
>it takes a while sometimes to deliver on a road map.
>
>I also understand that many kickstarter projects might add stretch goals
>that are indeed a bit of a stretch to deliver on to try and build/keep
>excitement. But progress that we are privy too on these things is less
>than
>visible as we go in to "a whole year later" territory. Any kind of
>timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than theming/res
>independence would be great. While I understand that is probably the
>hardest stretch goal you have had to deliver, it is also the least
>important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev. I think a lot of us
>are happy to wait, but that a few of us seem to be getting concerned
>lately
>that we won't get many of those stretch goals any time in the next year or
>two.
>
>
>On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> wrote:
>
>> We?re definitely interested. The potential issue I have is that this
>>stuff
>> was (mostly) promised from Kickstarter and indeed either planned and
>> specced or even being worked on. Mostly it will be delivered this year
>>at
>> various points. You guys already backed us on Kickstarter and we can &
>> will be deliver. The only thing we could do would be to speed things up
>>by
>> further expanding our dev team, which could bring delivery forward for
>> ?pet? features. I guess we could crowd fund that.
>>
>> So - here is an open question I don?t know the answer to. Is there
>> appetite for this in the community? Or would you rather just wait now?
>> This really is at the ?thinking out loud stage?, happy to get a range of
>> views as we talk about this internally some more.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
>> LiveCode: Everyone can code
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/02/2014 15:02, "Mike Kerner" <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I started this thread on the other list, but it's time to bring it over
>> >here.
>> >
>> >Now that LC is OSS, I'm thinking of starting a "fund" to get other
>>things
>> >done in LC.  For example,
>> >* code folding
>> >* stack-level setting for giving equal rights to all items, especially
>>the
>> >last one
>> >* macros in the script editor
>> >* multiple columns in the script editor on wide monitors
>> >* A real report editor/designer
>> >* Purchase a skinning tool like tmC or MG and make it part of the
>>product.
>> >
>> >
>> >Malte has his own list:
>> >1) Feature: reworked networking library (libURL is a bit dated), which
>> >would elevate IPv6 support and goodies like SFTP
>> >2) Fix: Modal dialogue makes app vanish from Task Switcher on Windows
>> >3) Feature: Reworked Multimedia Support (I want sound channels like we
>> >have
>> >on mobile for the desktop) , new Player Object
>> >4) Feature: Sub Pixel positioning
>> >5) Feature: Free Transform (rotate/ transform) for all controls
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >One way this might work:  we could throw out an idea, get bids from the
>> >community and even from Edinburgh to deal with it, and then fund it.
>> >
>> >
>> >Feedback, please.
>> >
>> >--
>> >On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> >On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> >On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >   and did a little diving.
>> >And God said, "This is good."
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >use-livecode mailing list
>> >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >subscription preferences:
>> >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Regards,
>
>Andrew Kluthe
>andrew at ctech.me
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode





From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 11:29:28 2014
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:29:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
Message-ID: <1392049768.5531.YahooMailBasic@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

With the right funding, I would consider making Quartam Reports open-source under a dual license.
This would obviate the need for a whole new project that has to go through all the same pains I did.
Admittedly, things have been quiet on the news front, but I have been preparing two major updates.
One brings a series of enhancements to the current version, and the other constitutes a complete rewrite.
The point of the rewrite is to bring the report runtime up-to-date with the latest LiveCode features.
And to tame the beast that is the report editor which has proven harder to maintain than planned.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."? (La Rochefoucauld)

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 2/10/14, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements
 To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
 Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 7:14 AM
 
 I'm originally from Chicago... so in
 the tradition of that great city, I'm stuffing the virtual
 ballot box with votes for this one!!
 
 Tim Selander
 Tokyo, Japan
 
 On 2/11/14 12:02 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:
 > * A real report editor/designer
 
 _______________________________________________
 use-livecode mailing list
 use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
 Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
 your subscription preferences:
 http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
 




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Feb 10 11:33:00 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:33:00 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft_=aa4e-r_qCWPWDypOdrNFn2DFEQ1LoBOEScqV3ojVbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF1E9DDE.62A21%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_=aa4e-r_qCWPWDypOdrNFn2DFEQ1LoBOEScqV3ojVbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8GYBqKkY_oE3nuaomkt3ZC_Wb=v7o9ULr6EeD_i8dpEg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

>  Any kind of
> timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than theming/res
> independence would be great. While I understand that is probably the
> hardest stretch goal you have had to deliver, it is also the least
> important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.


I just wanted to point out that resolution independence applies to Windows
as well. Windows has a high DPI mode which you can read about here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd464660(VS.85).aspx

Once the user sets the zoom on their Windows install to 150% it enters high
DPI mode. I've seen this become an issue more and more recently with my
products and have to ask customers to set the zoom to 125%.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From endernafi at keehuna.com  Mon Feb 10 11:58:16 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:58:16 +0200
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft_oUhLPt6M_Ci2EomMOitd=KUchMKLU1etV6gEdcvcrng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_oUhLPt6M_Ci2EomMOitd=KUchMKLU1etV6gEdcvcrng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52f90528.6b8b4567.16a@fdbqRetina.local>

On February 10, 2014 at 17:24:35, Kevin Miller (kevin at runrev.com) wrote:

The only thing we could do would be to speed things up by?
further expanding our dev team, which could bring delivery forward for?
?pet? features. I guess we could crowd fund that.?

So - here is an open question I don?t know the answer to. Is there?
appetite for this in the community??

Kind regards,?

Kevin?
?

I would happily join to a crowd funding to speed important things up.
But, a bold but,?*pet features* and *essentials* should be defined very carefully.
I believe, many of us will support another crowd-funding?
which focuses on *essentials*, things which cannot be done in Livecode alone.

There are really, really important things which we couldn?t do by ourselves or without the help of an external.
Unicode is one of those things, group size limits {int16 thing} and non-blocking url commands are, too.

I would define them as following;
pet feature: a feature for which a workaround can be found.
essential: no workaround, engine must change or an external is needed.

On February 10, 2014 at 17:09:06, Andrew Kluthe (andrew at ctech.me) wrote:

?I'd sell a piece of my liver for url?
commands that were non-blocking.?

Andrew?

Example to an essential feature.
Blocking url commands are deal-breaker and finding an acceptable work-around is almost impossible.
They break many things including user responsiveness.

To quote from Crowley after modernizing the Hell {watching Supernatural, anyone?}:
?Nobody likes to wait!?

On February 10, 2014 at 17:56:39, Andrew Kluthe (andrew at ctech.me) wrote:

?Any kind of?timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than theming/res?
independence would be great. ...?it is also the least?
important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.??

Example to a pet feature.
These are / should not be that much important even to a seasoned mac/mobile developer, in my humble opinion.
Using a couple of png?s for theming?
and 40 lines of pure Livecode script for resizing were?
all I needed for 20+ finished projects {published business apps} in the last two years.


Rotating an image without wiggling could be important to someone {me}
and having built-in commands for json parsing to someone else.

But these can be done at least to some degree via pure Livecode.


As I said, *pet features* and *essentials* should be defined very carefully.
We?ll support, I will support another crowd-funding which focuses on *essentials*, things which cannot be done in Livecode alone.



Best,

~ Ender

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 10 12:01:48 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:01:48 -0600
Subject: LiveCode in Elementary Schools
In-Reply-To: <BLU175-W460FB0A24729D6C69A8BBAF900@phx.gbl>
References: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU175-W460FB0A24729D6C69A8BBAF900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <52F905FC.4060709@hyperactivesw.com>

j at unmla.com wrote:
> I'm interested in learning whether LiveCode is an appropriate tool
> for introducing elementary school children to the field of computer
> science.

LiveCode has been eagerly adopted in the educational market. I can't 
find the link, but Scotland's schools throughout the country have 
adopted LiveCode as the preferred method to teach basic programming skills.

On the RuvRev web site there are three write-ups of how LiveCode is 
being used in educational settings. While these aren't elementary 
schools, I think the same principles would apply to any age student:

<http://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/>
<http://www.gracemounthighschool.co.uk/>
<http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/eleanor-white-paper-white-paper.pdf>

The main web page with all these links and more is at:

<http://livecode.com/showcase/>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
http://www.gracemounthighschool.co.uk/



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Feb 10 12:26:41 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 12:26:41 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52f90528.6b8b4567.16a@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_oUhLPt6M_Ci2EomMOitd=KUchMKLU1etV6gEdcvcrng@mail.gmail.com>
	<etPan.52f90528.6b8b4567.16a@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO7fPGy1H79qsMt1V6YzDcH8OARh+nJnrocyCpvEGKP1w@mail.gmail.com>

The things I'm thinking of are generally not on the road map, which is how
this thing got started in the first place.  Some of them are on a wishlist
that I gave to Kevin after our Pro meeting.

I also don't want to unnecessarily fork LC just to get what I want (e.g.
all items are created equal).  What I want is to be able to make it worth
everyone's while to add, modify, etc. the project in ways that benefit
everyone...sooner, and limit the resistance to those improvements.

We already did this once with the mergSockets external, and it was good.  I
want to do it some more, and I want to let Kevin et al be able to be as
involved or not as they want.

What I think we need to do is to develop some lists of priorities that
everyone has, and try to a) integrate with the roadmap, b) work on what the
improvements would cost for someone to complete and c) collect the funds
and d) git r dun


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <
endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:

> On February 10, 2014 at 17:24:35, Kevin Miller (kevin at runrev.com) wrote:
>
> The only thing we could do would be to speed things up by
> further expanding our dev team, which could bring delivery forward for
> ?pet? features. I guess we could crowd fund that.
>
> So - here is an open question I don?t know the answer to. Is there
> appetite for this in the community?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
>
> I would happily join to a crowd funding to speed important things up.
> But, a bold but, *pet features* and *essentials* should be defined very
> carefully.
> I believe, many of us will support another crowd-funding
> which focuses on *essentials*, things which cannot be done in Livecode
> alone.
>
> There are really, really important things which we couldn't do by
> ourselves or without the help of an external.
> Unicode is one of those things, group size limits {int16 thing} and
> non-blocking url commands are, too.
>
> I would define them as following;
> pet feature: a feature for which a workaround can be found.
> essential: no workaround, engine must change or an external is needed.
>
> On February 10, 2014 at 17:09:06, Andrew Kluthe (andrew at ctech.me) wrote:
>
>  I'd sell a piece of my liver for url
> commands that were non-blocking.
>
> Andrew
>
> Example to an essential feature.
> Blocking url commands are deal-breaker and finding an acceptable
> work-around is almost impossible.
> They break many things including user responsiveness.
>
> To quote from Crowley after modernizing the Hell {watching Supernatural,
> anyone?}:
> "Nobody likes to wait!"
>
> On February 10, 2014 at 17:56:39, Andrew Kluthe (andrew at ctech.me) wrote:
>
>  Any kind of timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than
> theming/res
> independence would be great. ... it is also the least
> important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.
>
> Example to a pet feature.
> These are / should not be that much important even to a seasoned
> mac/mobile developer, in my humble opinion.
> Using a couple of png's for theming
> and 40 lines of pure Livecode script for resizing were
> all I needed for 20+ finished projects {published business apps} in the
> last two years.
>
>
> Rotating an image without wiggling could be important to someone {me}
> and having built-in commands for json parsing to someone else.
>
> But these can be done at least to some degree via pure Livecode.
>
>
> As I said, *pet features* and *essentials* should be defined very
> carefully.
> We'll support, I will support another crowd-funding which focuses on
> *essentials*, things which cannot be done in Livecode alone.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> ~ Ender
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Feb 10 12:51:35 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:51:35 +0000
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2A28860-C6C2-4BE6-8277-F0C34F04948C@byu.edu>


On Feb 8, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:
> 
>> put 30 "a" into goop, but that is a recipe for failure, and
>> put 30 "a"'s into goop is almost unreadable
>> 
> 
> If we're devising syntax, I think some other languages use * as in:
> 
> put 30 * "a" into goop
> 
> This still runs into problems because of LC's typeless variables:
> 
> put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
> put 5 * "15" -- puts 1515151515
> put 15 into x
> put 5 * 15 -- puts 75
> put "15" into x
> put 5 * 15 -- still puts 75, nor should it change
> 
> Perhaps "of"?
> 
> put 5 of 15 -- puts 1515151515

Seems like the most LiveCode-like syntax would be something like:

pad <container> with <string> at beginning|end|<chunk description> [for] N [times]

So,

pad myvar with space at beginning 4 times

pad fld "foo" with 0 at end 10 times

pad "hello" with "xyz" after char 3 for 2 times --> helxyzxyzlo


Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 10 12:54:53 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:54:53 -0600
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <B2A28860-C6C2-4BE6-8277-F0C34F04948C@byu.edu>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B2A28860-C6C2-4BE6-8277-F0C34F04948C@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <52F9126D.6000608@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/10/14, 11:51 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
> Seems like the most LiveCode-like syntax would be something like:
>
> pad <container> with <string> at beginning|end|<chunk description> [for] N [times]
>
> So,
>
> pad myvar with space at beginning 4 times
>
> pad fld "foo" with 0 at end 10 times
>
> pad "hello" with "xyz" after char 3 for 2 times --> helxyzxyzlo

Ooh. Nice! Like.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Feb 10 13:45:48 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:45:48 -0500
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <52F9126D.6000608@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B2A28860-C6C2-4BE6-8277-F0C34F04948C@byu.edu>
	<52F9126D.6000608@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMLmGhs93D10aff04esTEdd-oQnWkvTkD1J+wvV00igrg@mail.gmail.com>

I like that, too


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 2/10/14, 11:51 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> Seems like the most LiveCode-like syntax would be something like:
>>
>> pad <container> with <string> at beginning|end|<chunk description> [for]
>> N [times]
>>
>> So,
>>
>> pad myvar with space at beginning 4 times
>>
>> pad fld "foo" with 0 at end 10 times
>>
>> pad "hello" with "xyz" after char 3 for 2 times --> helxyzxyzlo
>>
>
> Ooh. Nice! Like.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Feb 10 16:34:52 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:34:52 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52f90528.6b8b4567.16a@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_oUhLPt6M_Ci2EomMOitd=KUchMKLU1etV6gEdcvcrng@mail.gmail.com>
	<etPan.52f90528.6b8b4567.16a@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8eBNfxkbZnWq0xW9MR3FEDiKiMJS49kgxtd1G7O4+TBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <
endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:

>
> On February 10, 2014 at 17:56:39, Andrew Kluthe (andrew at ctech.me) wrote:
>
>  Any kind of timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than
> theming/res
> independence would be great. ... it is also the least
> important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.
>
> Example to a pet feature.
> These are / should not be that much important even to a seasoned
> mac/mobile developer, in my humble opinion.
> Using a couple of png's for theming
> and 40 lines of pure Livecode script for resizing were
> all I needed for 20+ finished projects {published business apps} in the
> last two years.
>

Hi Ender,

It is important to keep in mind that what might be classified as a pet
feature for some is essential for others. I consider myself a fairly
experienced developer and consider resolution independence critical. On the
desktop you cannot make a LiveCode app look correct on retina displays.
Your text will always look fuzzy. If you happen to be playing with the
resolution independence branch of the LiveCode engine on GitHub (the
developer branch includes it now) you will notice a night and day
difference when loading your projects (when loading the project on a retina
laptop).

Windows has similar issues with resolution independence. Changes have to
made to the LiveCode engine itself so that we can have projects look and
behave properly. Based on the number of support emails I get from my
customers I see an upward trend in among my customer base who are using
high-resolution settings on Windows.

For me, lack of high resolution support affects sales of my product (users
with retina displays do not like non-retina compliant apps).

Just another perspective,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 17:40:30 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:40:30 +0200
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8eBNfxkbZnWq0xW9MR3FEDiKiMJS49kgxtd1G7O4+TBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>	<CAHp9Ft_oUhLPt6M_Ci2EomMOitd=KUchMKLU1etV6gEdcvcrng@mail.gmail.com>	<etPan.52f90528.6b8b4567.16a@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAHg3tG8eBNfxkbZnWq0xW9MR3FEDiKiMJS49kgxtd1G7O4+TBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F9555E.2000204@gmail.com>

On 10/02/14 23:34, Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <
> endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:
>
>> On February 10, 2014 at 17:56:39, Andrew Kluthe (andrew at ctech.me) wrote:
>>
>>   Any kind of timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than
>> theming/res
>> independence would be great. ... it is also the least
>> important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.
>>
>> Example to a pet feature.
>> These are / should not be that much important even to a seasoned
>> mac/mobile developer, in my humble opinion.
>> Using a couple of png's for theming
>> and 40 lines of pure Livecode script for resizing were
>> all I needed for 20+ finished projects {published business apps} in the
>> last two years.
>>
> Hi Ender,
>
> It is important to keep in mind that what might be classified as a pet
> feature for some is essential for others. I consider myself a fairly
> experienced developer and consider resolution independence critical. On the
> desktop you cannot make a LiveCode app look correct on retina displays.
> Your text will always look fuzzy. If you happen to be playing with the
> resolution independence branch of the LiveCode engine on GitHub (the
> developer branch includes it now) you will notice a night and day
> difference when loading your projects (when loading the project on a retina
> laptop).
>
> Windows has similar issues with resolution independence. Changes have to
> made to the LiveCode engine itself so that we can have projects look and
> behave properly. Based on the number of support emails I get from my
> customers I see an upward trend in among my customer base who are using
> high-resolution settings on Windows.
>
> For me, lack of high resolution support affects sales of my product (users
> with retina displays do not like non-retina compliant apps).
>
> Just another perspective,
>

Trevor makes an extremely valid point.

A crowd sourced project sourced by mant people all pulling in different 
directions is jus
not going to work.

So; before anything like that a consensus of what should be on the list
has to be arrived at.

I have a particular sore-point about the wat Windows Vista, 7 and 8 
imposes its own fonts in Unicode text fields.

Richmond.



From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Feb 10 18:40:02 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 15:40:02 -0800
Subject: Message path question
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePwO31WSD1Wu9BXirZ=FoSU0w=A0+=XAUKn1NWPQH9yqA@mail.gmail.com>

Prowling around the IDE scripts, the revBackScript button of the revLibrary
stack includes:

dispatch "revHookPostSaveStack" to me .....

... but there is no such handler in its script.

My understanding of the message path is that since this is in a back
script, the only other place for that message to go is to the engine.  Is
that right?

I would like to do something in a handler for that message so just checking
where I need to put it.

Thanks,

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Feb 10 18:41:38 2014
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:41:38 +1100
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <52F9555E.2000204@gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>	<CAHp9Ft_oUhLPt6M_Ci2EomMOitd=KUchMKLU1etV6gEdcvcrng@mail.gmail.com>	<etPan.52f90528.6b8b4567.16a@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAHg3tG8eBNfxkbZnWq0xW9MR3FEDiKiMJS49kgxtd1G7O4+TBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F9555E.2000204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80ABE5D4-74CF-41A0-8743-69BFB3A0788D@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Folks

I haven't read this whole thread so please excuse me if I'm duplicating someone else's ideas.

My suggestion would be for RunRev or an interested third party to setup a crowd funding site that allowed people to flesh out specs for changes and then offer funding for them. So the funding would be against a specific project rather than a whole mess of stuff. Now RunRev might not have the resources to do it all or might feel it's short sighted to expand their team unless it's a huge project. So some community contributor or even a consultant could put their hand up to do something once they felt the funding was right (which could be $0 for lots of things). The process would be multi-step:
- requirements analysis and spec
- RunRev endorsement or back to step 1 based on comments
- funding
- someone agrees to implement it with a time frame (perhaps another endorsement by RunRev here???)
- integration
- payment

Some way to re-allocate the funding if things don't work out would be nice. The site could also be used to help people wanting to do volunteer contributions to spec it out on a wiki page.

It occurs to me that a generic site that offered these features might be welcome in the FOSS world???

Plan B: There's nothing stopping someone or a group of someones from engaging a third party to implement and contribute something. It's been done already and I suspect it's the simplest and fastest way to get what you need.

Cheers

Monte

--
M E R Goulding 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 18:49:02 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:49:02 +1100
Subject: new way closing a stack in IOS 7
In-Reply-To: <15FE83B9-8F57-4CD1-B8CC-A2ED6F41E2E2@logilangue.com>
References: <A8928ED7-2B17-4292-82A2-90DEED4FEB7A@logilangue.com>
	<etPan.52f510ef.515f007c.129f2@fdbqMacBookPro.local>
	<15FE83B9-8F57-4CD1-B8CC-A2ED6F41E2E2@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <72B2C7C3-3B80-4432-8E7C-66A57BE30B9E@gmail.com>

Alain

No it isn't risky. It's been working fine for me for ages. 

BTW if you need the app to keep playing sound (or tracking location etc) you'll also need to add:

<key>UIBackgroundModes</key>
<array>
<string>audio</string>
</array>

...to the plist.

Gerry


On 11 Feb 2014, at 2:13 am, Alain Vezina <alain.vezina at logilangue.com> wrote:

> I think this solution is a bit risky but I will try it on a test app.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 10 19:03:43 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:03:43 -0800
Subject: Message path question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePwO31WSD1Wu9BXirZ=FoSU0w=A0+=XAUKn1NWPQH9yqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePwO31WSD1Wu9BXirZ=FoSU0w=A0+=XAUKn1NWPQH9yqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F968DF.9000504@fourthworld.com>

Peter Haworth wrote:

> Prowling around the IDE scripts, the revBackScript button of the revLibrary
> stack includes:
>
> dispatch "revHookPostSaveStack" to me .....
>
> ... but there is no such handler in its script.
>
> My understanding of the message path is that since this is in a back
> script, the only other place for that message to go is to the engine.  Is
> that right?

All backscript and library handlers are available to all other 
backscripts and libraries.

The only time their specific order comes into play is when dealing with 
handlers of the same name in two different scripts. In that case, 
libraries are checked first, and then backscripts, in the order in which 
they were inserted into the message path.

Additionally, "dispatch" has an unusual characteristic that's not likely 
at play here, but worth knowing about:  if a custom message sent with 
dispatch isn't handled, you won't get a "handler not found" error as you 
would with "send".  Instead, the local var "it" will simply contain 
"unhandled".

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 19:09:01 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:09:01 +1100
Subject: new way closing a stack in IOS 7
In-Reply-To: <72B2C7C3-3B80-4432-8E7C-66A57BE30B9E@gmail.com>
References: <A8928ED7-2B17-4292-82A2-90DEED4FEB7A@logilangue.com>
	<etPan.52f510ef.515f007c.129f2@fdbqMacBookPro.local>
	<15FE83B9-8F57-4CD1-B8CC-A2ED6F41E2E2@logilangue.com>
	<72B2C7C3-3B80-4432-8E7C-66A57BE30B9E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <054D0BD4-8714-4362-B4E9-B3BCEB448EA5@gmail.com>

Or, for location:

<key>UIBackgroundModes</key> 
        <array> 
               <string>location</string> 
         </array> 


Gerry


On 11 Feb 2014, at 10:49 am, Gerry Orkin <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW if you need the app to keep playing sound (or tracking location etc) you'll also need to add:
> 
> <key>UIBackgroundModes</key>
> <array>
> <string>audio</string>
> </array>
> 



From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Feb 10 19:15:55 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:15:55 +0000
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <B2A28860-C6C2-4BE6-8277-F0C34F04948C@byu.edu>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B2A28860-C6C2-4BE6-8277-F0C34F04948C@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <52F96BBB.8060103@tweedly.net>

On 10/02/2014 17:51, Devin Asay wrote:
> Seems like the most LiveCode-like syntax would be something like:
>
> pad <container> with <string> at beginning|end|<chunk description> [for] N [times]
>
> So,
>
> pad myvar with space at beginning 4 times
>
> pad fld "foo" with 0 at end 10 times
>
> pad "hello" with "xyz" after char 3 for 2 times --> helxyzxyzlo
>
>
While I like the general idea, I don't think that's the *most* LC-like 
syntax.
I don't see any need to invent a new verb "pad"; why not simply 
something like

put <value> [for N times] <chunk description>
or
put [N copies of] <value> <chunk description>

Thus
    put "hello" into myVar
    put "xyz" for 2 times after char 3 of myVar    --> helxyzxyzlo
or perhaps
    put 2 copies of "xyz" after char 3 of myVar

Or indeed
    put "abc" & 4 copies of " " & "def" into newVar
to give a value of "abc    def"

-- Alex.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 10 19:20:06 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:20:06 -0800
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CF1EAB9C.62A41%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <CF1EAB9C.62A41%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <52F96CB6.5040103@fourthworld.com>

Kevin Miller wrote:

> Actually its the core refactor / Unicode that was the really tough bit. A
> long time with heads down and only internal dps so far. But in terms of
> actual throughput its been massive. The other goals aren?t of the same
> scope and as such aren?t as far away as it may seem.

That's very encouraging to hear.  QuickTime replacement and Cocoa have 
been key concerns for many of us.  Very much looking forward to those.


> We?re deep into planning for the next phase at the moment. So I?ll write
> you guys a more extensive post and/or a newsletter article with an update
> on things within the next couple of weeks.

That would be most welcome.  While RunRev's external communications have 
been stellar in comparison to closed-source companies, as an open source 
project LiveCode could benefit significantly from regular updates from 
the team.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From lists at duckworks.biz  Mon Feb 10 20:24:09 2014
From: lists at duckworks.biz (lists at duckworks.biz)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:24:09 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
References: <mailman.3608.1392072039.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F55E761A-C5B3-4C66-879F-38C0DD9CCFD9@duckworks.biz>

Vaughn,

I'd be interested in seeing where I could assist.

>> It occurred to me to learn LiveCode a novice or
>> better developer needs a better interface and to add code tracking in the
>> distionary. 


I agree that added features for the dictionary would be valuable, I'd also like to see the ability to add multiple code examples to the dictionary to allow comparison and evaluation of code techniques.

> I would also have the app able to use a
> very good search feature across any data or fields in the database where
> keywords or phrases can be searched. This would call all elements for any
> dictionary element/s in a selected group to be reviewed.


That sounds very helpful.

I've seen other online references, for Adobe Flex, that allowed editing and (limited) execution of code samples in an online environment to allow customization and experimentation outside of the project development environment.

Maybe that could be possible in On-Rev.com?

Brian Duck
The DuckWorks
bduck at duckworks.biz


Begin forwarded message:

> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:20:24 -0700
> From: Vaughn Clement <vclement at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAP6oXhZxqohorLZfB94KFC52mhsHEC3vY-8kRsTyVEMh6=8PYA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1



From selander at tkf.att.ne.jp  Mon Feb 10 20:30:48 2014
From: selander at tkf.att.ne.jp (Tim Selander)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:30:48 +0900
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <1392049768.5531.YahooMailBasic@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1392049768.5531.YahooMailBasic@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <52F97D48.7040805@tkf.att.ne.jp>

Hi Jan,

I have on two occassions (pre-open source and post-open source) 
downloaded and tried Quartam Reports. But both times it fell down 
for me in trying to handle Japanese/UTF8. Can't recall if it was 
in presenting the data or in the editor itself (or, of course, 
could have been operator error!) but I couldn't make it do what I 
needed...

If the LC of the future makes good on its, 'it just works' goal 
for UTF8, and Quartam Reports followed suite, I would become a 
happy customer, no doubt.

Tim Selander
Tokyo, Japan


On 2/11/14 1:29 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> With the right funding, I would consider making Quartam Reports open-source under a dual license.
> This would obviate the need for a whole new project that has to go through all the same pains I did.
> Admittedly, things have been quiet on the news front, but I have been preparing two major updates.
> One brings a series of enhancements to the current version, and the other constitutes a complete rewrite.
> The point of the rewrite is to bring the report runtime up-to-date with the latest LiveCode features.
> And to tame the beast that is the report editor which has proven harder to maintain than planned.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 2/10/14, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>   Subject: Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements
>   To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>   Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 7:14 AM
>
>   I'm originally from Chicago... so in
>   the tradition of that great city, I'm stuffing the virtual
>   ballot box with votes for this one!!
>
>   Tim Selander
>   Tokyo, Japan
>
>   On 2/11/14 12:02 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:
>   > * A real report editor/designer
>
>   _______________________________________________
>   use-livecode mailing list
>   use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>   Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
>   your subscription preferences:
>   http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Feb 10 20:38:38 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:38:38 -0800
Subject: Message path question
In-Reply-To: <52F968DF.9000504@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePwO31WSD1Wu9BXirZ=FoSU0w=A0+=XAUKn1NWPQH9yqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F968DF.9000504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePbPhi+pq_2ix8rxK90GV1Ea6vLCu7ut2vxcsRSCRA1tg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> All backscript and library handlers are available to all other backscripts
> and libraries.


Thanks Richard.

Just to be sure I understand this correctly, I already have a library stack
in place for this application so if I put a "revHookPostSaveStack" handler
into it, it will be found when the rev backscript dispatches that message?
 FYI, the dispatch command in question has " to me" in it.  I hope that's
the case since I'd rather not start adding scripts to the IDE stacks.

Also, if I pass the message in my handler, will it be seen by other loaded
libraries with a handler for it?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Feb 10 20:47:07 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:47:07 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <52F97D48.7040805@tkf.att.ne.jp>
References: <1392049768.5531.YahooMailBasic@web141105.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<52F97D48.7040805@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMfGDDwz_r_rze-ppVqR_RbD2q02n=6Mx3grdtMV6T=9A@mail.gmail.com>

monte,
Yes, that's in line with what I was thinking.  I was LESS thinking about
having a generic fund that folks would vote funds out of and more spec'ing
out improvements, and then, etc., as you are suggesting.

As I've been talking with other folks about this, and even a little bit
with Edinburgh, I'm trying to make this something that isn't RR's
responsibility, but rather something that we drive, and they can be a part
of as much as they like (by bidding on things).

Part of the idea was to formalize this process so that it's organized, and
everyone knows where to go when then want to propose having something
happen.  That way, was also will hopefully have more discussion before the
bid spec goes out, and less after we're collecting the funds.


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>wrote:

> Hi Jan,
>
> I have on two occassions (pre-open source and post-open source) downloaded
> and tried Quartam Reports. But both times it fell down for me in trying to
> handle Japanese/UTF8. Can't recall if it was in presenting the data or in
> the editor itself (or, of course, could have been operator error!) but I
> couldn't make it do what I needed...
>
> If the LC of the future makes good on its, 'it just works' goal for UTF8,
> and Quartam Reports followed suite, I would become a happy customer, no
> doubt.
>
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo, Japan
>
>
>
> On 2/11/14 1:29 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> With the right funding, I would consider making Quartam Reports
>> open-source under a dual license.
>> This would obviate the need for a whole new project that has to go
>> through all the same pains I did.
>> Admittedly, things have been quiet on the news front, but I have been
>> preparing two major updates.
>> One brings a series of enhancements to the current version, and the other
>> constitutes a complete rewrite.
>> The point of the rewrite is to bring the report runtime up-to-date with
>> the latest LiveCode features.
>> And to tame the beast that is the report editor which has proven harder
>> to maintain than planned.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jan Schenkel.
>>
>> =====
>> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
>> www.quartam.com
>>
>> =====
>> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
>>  (La Rochefoucauld)
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Mon, 2/10/14, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>>
>>   Subject: Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements
>>   To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>>   Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 7:14 AM
>>
>>   I'm originally from Chicago... so in
>>   the tradition of that great city, I'm stuffing the virtual
>>   ballot box with votes for this one!!
>>
>>   Tim Selander
>>   Tokyo, Japan
>>
>>   On 2/11/14 12:02 AM, Mike Kerner wrote:
>>   > * A real report editor/designer
>>
>>   _______________________________________________
>>   use-livecode mailing list
>>   use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>   Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
>>   your subscription preferences:
>>   http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 10 20:51:02 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 17:51:02 -0800
Subject: Message path question
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePbPhi+pq_2ix8rxK90GV1Ea6vLCu7ut2vxcsRSCRA1tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePbPhi+pq_2ix8rxK90GV1Ea6vLCu7ut2vxcsRSCRA1tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F98206.40806@fourthworld.com>

Peter Haworth wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> All backscript and library handlers are available to all other backscripts
>> and libraries.
>
> Thanks Richard.
>
> Just to be sure I understand this correctly, I already have a library stack
> in place for this application so if I put a "revHookPostSaveStack" handler
> into it, it will be found when the rev backscript dispatches that message?

It should.  What happens when you try it?

> Also, if I pass the message in my handler, will it be seen by other loaded
> libraries with a handler for it?

It should.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Feb 10 21:30:00 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 21:30:00 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <52F96CB6.5040103@fourthworld.com>
References: <CF1EAB9C.62A41%kevin@runrev.com>
	<52F96CB6.5040103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG-Q_YWS7ber0J2c-fV7Z_2W-6ZM+O8BsGy6SBKNYGUKNg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Kevin Miller wrote:
>
>  Actually its the core refactor / Unicode that was the really tough bit. A
>> long time with heads down and only internal dps so far. But in terms of
>> actual throughput its been massive. The other goals aren't of the same
>> scope and as such aren't as far away as it may seem.
>>
>
> That's very encouraging to hear.  QuickTime replacement and Cocoa have
> been key concerns for many of us.  Very much looking forward to those.


Richard (and others),

I don't know if you have Xcode set up to compile LiveCode or not, but if
you do then you may enjoy following along with the Cocoa project:

https://github.com/runrevmark/livecode/tree/feature-cocoa

I've been building and testing my app as Mark releases updates the cocoa
branch (which is quite regularly). The de-quicktimification has already
begun as well. You can read the progress the is being made in the commit
notes:

https://github.com/runrevmark/livecode/commits/feature-cocoa

It is fun to see what the team is working on and follow along with features
you are interested in.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Feb 10 21:43:55 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 18:43:55 -0800
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG-Q_YWS7ber0J2c-fV7Z_2W-6ZM+O8BsGy6SBKNYGUKNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CF1EAB9C.62A41%kevin@runrev.com>
	<52F96CB6.5040103@fourthworld.com>
	<CAHg3tG-Q_YWS7ber0J2c-fV7Z_2W-6ZM+O8BsGy6SBKNYGUKNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+XYm8OSy-B=tBquY_2t6haVMLihwwj9GgwcrZ69NkDqA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>wrote:

> It is fun to see what the team is working on and follow along with features
> you are interested in.
>

A-V -  player  progress! Yes!

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 23:28:07 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:28:07 +0800
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CF1EAB9C.62A41%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF1E9DDE.62A21%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_=aa4e-r_qCWPWDypOdrNFn2DFEQ1LoBOEScqV3ojVbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF1EAB9C.62A41%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> wrote:

>
> We're deep into planning for the next phase at the moment. So I'll write
> you guys a more extensive post and/or a newsletter article with an update
> on things within the next couple of weeks.
>
> I always get a kick out of the fact that the CEO crops up on this List
every now and then.

Anyone who's read my previous posts knows I'm into data, lots and lots of
data. I like to find connections between data, display data in new ways,
and help my colleagues visualise data in ways they haven't thought of.

I like info-graphics. If a pictures says a thousand words, a good
info-graphic can answer 10 questions, half of which you didn't think of
until you saw the data.

This is by no means the best I've ever seen, but it's recent (at the bottom
of the page):

http://www.apple.com/30-years/your-first-mac/#tell-us

It saddens me to think that Macs use to be a tool, they did work; but no
longer it seems. Now, I don't have to complain on User Forums that OS X is
morphing into iOS, I see why. I know I don't have to buy my kids
MacBooksanymore, an
iPad will do.

It's too late to start now, but I'm sure it would make for an interesting
info-graphic, one that continually recorded and then displayed the man
hours and Kickstarter ? spent on the various 'areas' that the Runrev team
is focusing on as they move LC forward. I'm sure refactor and unicode would
display as huge blobs. Little, but growing blobs for the various branches
that parallel, then disappear when they are incorporated, or not.

I could imagine info-graphics that told me not only how many man hours and
? currently spent, but a % estimate of job complete. Names of those
involved as well, as I'm sure it would be a pleasant surprise to see not
just the Runrev team in those blobs, but the names of the many gurus (like
Trevor) who are at the heart of this LC community.

If we all saw the data I'm sure we'd have no questions or complaints; but
then again, we wouldn't have the pleasure of reading Kevin's posts.


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Feb 10 23:45:27 2014
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:45:27 -0800
Subject: SSL + static IP with an on-rev account
In-Reply-To: <2E2611F6-77B1-49DD-AB55-0D75B586BBA3@gmail.com>
References: <1391162200802-4675356.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4D2E7D49-DB60-4312-A47D-E9E2D2CEDF72@iotecdigital.com>	<1391373315255-4675422.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAFmQfH+TV5UOksTwE9ZfDhFLnK05Y6egg2-u4CkwKV2FWLqG3g@mail.gmail.com>	<7019CA9E-0A0C-45F2-B3E4-6E0C53EE26E9@gmail.com>	<CAFmQfHLzu7K=mruuricEgO-qA1MCaEpEFERiO-rf_=eiv4x-FA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFmQfHL4-JY6FVZ+hweJ6MxGqhs0RjoHWFrdLNuagU+NMQLB6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E2611F6-77B1-49DD-AB55-0D75B586BBA3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52F9AAE7.5030607@pdslabs.net>

This also works:
     http://marksmith.on-rev.com/revstuff/files/

Phil Davis


On 2/2/14, 2:42 PM, PystCat wrote:
> The link worked.
>
>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 4:44 PM, stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>>
>> crap. Bad link.
>>
>> *--*
>> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 1:42 PM, stephen barncard <
>> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:45 PM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone used Amazon's cloud storage with LiveCode...?  I would be
>>>> interested in hearing any success(?) or fail(?) stories...
>>>
>>> the 'other' and 'late' Mark Smith wrote a library just for that purpose a
>>> few years ago. One of the list members is hosting it somewhere?.
>>>
>>> here you go..
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.runrevplanet.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=148:webpage-of-the-month-mark-smiths-livecode-libraries&catid=56:website-of-the-month&Itemid=118
>>>
>>> *--*
>>> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

-- 
Phil Davis




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 11 03:26:46 2014
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:26:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <52F97D48.7040805@tkf.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <1392107206.24956.YahooMailBasic@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Tim et al,

The advantage of Quartam Reports is that is 100% LiveCode, no externals required.
The flip-side of the coin is that it has the same Unicode limitations as LiveCode itself.

The general rule is: iif you can put it in a LiveCode field, you can put it into a Quartam Reports data field.
One of the data field properties is its 'format', where you can choose between (plain) text, unicodeText, htmlText or rtfText.
Match this to what your 'expression' returns, and you're good to go.

I've used it to simulate progress bars and lots of other tricks, using htmlText.
Pretty powerful stuff, really, once you get the hang of it :-)

If you have a specific case where it doesn't work as expected, please open a topic on the Quartam forums:
<http://forums.quartam.com>
Include a small test stack + layout, and I'll help you figure out what it takes to get the desired output on your report.

Cheers,

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 2/10/14, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements
 To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
 Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 5:30 PM
 
 Hi Jan,
 
 I have on two occassions (pre-open source and post-open
 source) 
 downloaded and tried Quartam Reports. But both times it fell
 down 
 for me in trying to handle Japanese/UTF8. Can't recall if it
 was 
 in presenting the data or in the editor itself (or, of
 course, 
 could have been operator error!) but I couldn't make it do
 what I 
 needed...
 
 If the LC of the future makes good on its, 'it just works'
 goal 
 for UTF8, and Quartam Reports followed suite, I would become
 a 
 happy customer, no doubt.
 
 Tim Selander
 Tokyo, Japan
 
 
 On 2/11/14 1:29 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
 > Hi all,
 >
 > With the right funding, I would consider making Quartam
 Reports open-source under a dual license.
 > This would obviate the need for a whole new project
 that has to go through all the same pains I did.
 > Admittedly, things have been quiet on the news front,
 but I have been preparing two major updates.
 > One brings a series of enhancements to the current
 version, and the other constitutes a complete rewrite.
 > The point of the rewrite is to bring the report runtime
 up-to-date with the latest LiveCode features.
 > And to tame the beast that is the report editor which
 has proven harder to maintain than planned.
 >
 > Best regards,
 >
 > Jan Schenkel.
 >
 > =====
 > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
 > www.quartam.com
 >
 > =====
 > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish
 at the same time."? (La Rochefoucauld)
 >
 > --------------------------------------------
 > On Mon, 2/10/14, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>
 wrote:
 >
 >???Subject: Re: Crowd Funding
 Enhancements
 >???To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
 >???Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 7:14
 AM
 >
 >???I'm originally from Chicago... so in
 >???the tradition of that great city, I'm
 stuffing the virtual
 >???ballot box with votes for this one!!
 >
 >???Tim Selander
 >???Tokyo, Japan
 >
 >???On 2/11/14 12:02 AM, Mike Kerner
 wrote:
 >???> * A real report editor/designer
 >



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 04:01:39 2014
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:01:39 +0000
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <1392107206.24956.YahooMailBasic@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <52F97D48.7040805@tkf.att.ne.jp>
	<1392107206.24956.YahooMailBasic@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioOJqVZroCOtnwsixyNFj-uKcWDXjChtjR73ooWEkfZ1+g@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be happy to support a crowd funding initiative for the LiveCode
community. Monte's suggestion for an organised RunRev supported FOSS
"bounty" site is the way to go in my opinion. I'm happy to put work into
this from March 1st?


On 11 February 2014 08:26, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Tim et al,
>
> The advantage of Quartam Reports is that is 100% LiveCode, no externals
> required.
> The flip-side of the coin is that it has the same Unicode limitations as
> LiveCode itself.
>
> The general rule is: iif you can put it in a LiveCode field, you can put
> it into a Quartam Reports data field.
> One of the data field properties is its 'format', where you can choose
> between (plain) text, unicodeText, htmlText or rtfText.
> Match this to what your 'expression' returns, and you're good to go.
>
> I've used it to simulate progress bars and lots of other tricks, using
> htmlText.
> Pretty powerful stuff, really, once you get the hang of it :-)
>
> If you have a specific case where it doesn't work as expected, please open
> a topic on the Quartam forums:
> <http://forums.quartam.com>
> Include a small test stack + layout, and I'll help you figure out what it
> takes to get the desired output on your report.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jan Schenkel.
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
>  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 2/10/14, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: Crowd Funding Enhancements
>  To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>  Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 5:30 PM
>
>  Hi Jan,
>
>  I have on two occassions (pre-open source and post-open
>  source)
>  downloaded and tried Quartam Reports. But both times it fell
>  down
>  for me in trying to handle Japanese/UTF8. Can't recall if it
>  was
>  in presenting the data or in the editor itself (or, of
>  course,
>  could have been operator error!) but I couldn't make it do
>  what I
>  needed...
>
>  If the LC of the future makes good on its, 'it just works'
>  goal
>  for UTF8, and Quartam Reports followed suite, I would become
>  a
>  happy customer, no doubt.
>
>  Tim Selander
>  Tokyo, Japan
>
>
>  On 2/11/14 1:29 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>  > Hi all,
>  >
>  > With the right funding, I would consider making Quartam
>  Reports open-source under a dual license.
>  > This would obviate the need for a whole new project
>  that has to go through all the same pains I did.
>  > Admittedly, things have been quiet on the news front,
>  but I have been preparing two major updates.
>  > One brings a series of enhancements to the current
>  version, and the other constitutes a complete rewrite.
>  > The point of the rewrite is to bring the report runtime
>  up-to-date with the latest LiveCode features.
>  > And to tame the beast that is the report editor which
>  has proven harder to maintain than planned.
>  >
>  > Best regards,
>  >
>  > Jan Schenkel.
>  >
>  > =====
>  > Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
>  > www.quartam.com
>  >
>  > =====
>  > "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish
>  at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
>  >
>  > --------------------------------------------
>  > On Mon, 2/10/14, Tim Selander <selander at tkf.att.ne.jp>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  >   Subject: Re: Crowd Funding
>  Enhancements
>  >   To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>  >   Date: Monday, February 10, 2014, 7:14
>  AM
>  >
>  >   I'm originally from Chicago... so in
>  >   the tradition of that great city, I'm
>  stuffing the virtual
>  >   ballot box with votes for this one!!
>  >
>  >   Tim Selander
>  >   Tokyo, Japan
>  >
>  >   On 2/11/14 12:02 AM, Mike Kerner
>  wrote:
>  >   > * A real report editor/designer
>  >
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 04:09:27 2014
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:09:27 +0000
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CF1EAB9C.62A41%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <CADCoycPHYnOA6P2LhOMRXuNL2kv5ZEqrVDCkCN4u9iEbExxV3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF1E9DDE.62A21%kevin@runrev.com>
	<CAHp9Ft_=aa4e-r_qCWPWDypOdrNFn2DFEQ1LoBOEScqV3ojVbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF1EAB9C.62A41%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioNW_zB0CR-zTc_S28e22VMOO625wRqvxHXFqanbQ-Dg6g@mail.gmail.com>

Kevin I'm not sure how far you are internally with your Agile / FOSS
processes, but wouldn't it be a good idea to share more data regarding the
work actually being done?


On 10 February 2014 16:19, Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> wrote:

> Actually its the core refactor / Unicode that was the really tough bit. A
> long time with heads down and only internal dps so far. But in terms of
> actual throughput its been massive.


For instance if you have agile iterations then you could share the targets,
and the burn down charts or whatever you use. If that level of transparency
was too much then perhaps more simple reporting of the number of commits
and lines of code refactored, test coverage cmpleted and so forth would be
good.

I don't think that following such a brilliantly successful KickStarter,
with such a complex and large re-engineering project, and traditional
"regular release + roadmap" reporting is going to give the KickStarter
supporters an accurate enough picture of progress?


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 04:12:24 2014
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:12:24 +0000
Subject: LiveCode in Elementary Schools
In-Reply-To: <52F905FC.4060709@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU175-W460FB0A24729D6C69A8BBAF900@phx.gbl>
	<52F905FC.4060709@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioMW7GYeoCo3iSr_AWaEYEDiYcWQq4DE0MyeHL4WP-4kYg@mail.gmail.com>

It would be great if there was a list / forum / social network site for
teachers, and for young learners?


On 10 February 2014 17:01, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> j at unmla.com wrote:
>
>> I'm interested in learning whether LiveCode is an appropriate tool
>> for introducing elementary school children to the field of computer
>> science.
>>
>
> LiveCode has been eagerly adopted in the educational market. I can't find
> the link, but Scotland's schools throughout the country have adopted
> LiveCode as the preferred method to teach basic programming skills.
>
> On the RuvRev web site there are three write-ups of how LiveCode is being
> used in educational settings. While these aren't elementary schools, I
> think the same principles would apply to any age student:
>
> <http://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/>
> <http://www.gracemounthighschool.co.uk/>
> <http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/eleanor-white-paper-white-
> paper.pdf>
>
> The main web page with all these links and more is at:
>
> <http://livecode.com/showcase/>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> http://www.gracemounthighschool.co.uk/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 04:19:14 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 17:19:14 +0800
Subject: LiveCode in Elementary Schools
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioMW7GYeoCo3iSr_AWaEYEDiYcWQq4DE0MyeHL4WP-4kYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU175-W460FB0A24729D6C69A8BBAF900@phx.gbl>
	<52F905FC.4060709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGASioMW7GYeoCo3iSr_AWaEYEDiYcWQq4DE0MyeHL4WP-4kYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB0B54C7-4969-41AB-AA9C-1BA590FA339C@gmail.com>

David

There has been a teacher's forum for some time at http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=25

Regards

Peter
LiveCode1001.blogspot.com

On 11 Feb 2014, at 17:12, David Bovill wrote:

> It would be great if there was a list / forum / social network site for
> teachers, and for young learners?
> 
> 
> On 10 February 2014 17:01, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
>> j at unmla.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm interested in learning whether LiveCode is an appropriate tool
>>> for introducing elementary school children to the field of computer
>>> science.
>>> 
>> 
>> LiveCode has been eagerly adopted in the educational market. I can't find
>> the link, but Scotland's schools throughout the country have adopted
>> LiveCode as the preferred method to teach basic programming skills.
>> 
>> On the RuvRev web site there are three write-ups of how LiveCode is being
>> used in educational settings. While these aren't elementary schools, I
>> think the same principles would apply to any age student:
>> 
>> <http://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/>
>> <http://www.gracemounthighschool.co.uk/>
>> <http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/eleanor-white-paper-white-
>> paper.pdf>
>> 
>> The main web page with all these links and more is at:
>> 
>> <http://livecode.com/showcase/>
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> http://www.gracemounthighschool.co.uk/
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 04:31:03 2014
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:31:03 +0000
Subject: LiveCode in Elementary Schools
In-Reply-To: <EB0B54C7-4969-41AB-AA9C-1BA590FA339C@gmail.com>
References: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU175-W460FB0A24729D6C69A8BBAF900@phx.gbl>
	<52F905FC.4060709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGASioMW7GYeoCo3iSr_AWaEYEDiYcWQq4DE0MyeHL4WP-4kYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB0B54C7-4969-41AB-AA9C-1BA590FA339C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGASioNn8puNbZrzoP0WAd7J9fFPrF68SbHgGQW4yJ4kwfHaMg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm wandering about the Scottish schools?


On 11 February 2014 09:19, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:

> David
>
> There has been a teacher's forum for some time at
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=25
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
> LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
>
> On 11 Feb 2014, at 17:12, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > It would be great if there was a list / forum / social network site for
> > teachers, and for young learners?
> >
> >
> > On 10 February 2014 17:01, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> j at unmla.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm interested in learning whether LiveCode is an appropriate tool
> >>> for introducing elementary school children to the field of computer
> >>> science.
> >>>
> >>
> >> LiveCode has been eagerly adopted in the educational market. I can't
> find
> >> the link, but Scotland's schools throughout the country have adopted
> >> LiveCode as the preferred method to teach basic programming skills.
> >>
> >> On the RuvRev web site there are three write-ups of how LiveCode is
> being
> >> used in educational settings. While these aren't elementary schools, I
> >> think the same principles would apply to any age student:
> >>
> >> <http://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/>
> >> <http://www.gracemounthighschool.co.uk/>
> >> <
> http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/eleanor-white-paper-white-
> >> paper.pdf>
> >>
> >> The main web page with all these links and more is at:
> >>
> >> <http://livecode.com/showcase/>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> http://www.gracemounthighschool.co.uk/
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Feb 11 05:31:15 2014
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:31:15 +0100
Subject: [OT] Possible chance to spread the word
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1379757601.21549.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1379757601.21549.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3B1F5513-810A-4CC2-B2E8-01BA0A8F5E4E@derbrill.de>

One of the "social thingies" I participate in, had a link that might help us spread the word about liveCode.

http://www.howdoyoucode.com/

Maybe it is worth taking that survey.

Cheers,

Malte

From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 11 07:18:20 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:18:20 +0100
Subject: [OT] Possible chance to spread the word
In-Reply-To: <3B1F5513-810A-4CC2-B2E8-01BA0A8F5E4E@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.3.1379757601.21549.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<3B1F5513-810A-4CC2-B2E8-01BA0A8F5E4E@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <52FA150C.2080109@economy-x-talk.com>

Done: http://www.howdoyoucode.com/responses/21c696d8db0c

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/11/2014 11:31, Malte Brill wrote:
> One of the "social thingies" I participate in, had a link that might help us spread the word about liveCode.
>
> http://www.howdoyoucode.com/
>
> Maybe it is worth taking that survey.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malte




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Tue Feb 11 07:59:30 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 14:59:30 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
Message-ID: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>

This was part of another topic, but I didn?t want to digress it, so opened a new thread.?

I think the issue is important as customers have an effect on the future roadmaps of companies.?
People wanted *theming* and *resolution independence*, RunRev provided it.?
Nobody seems to care about size constraints of objects, so there isn?t any plans about it.?

The definition should be, in my opinion, as:?
Pet features are those which can already be achieved via pure Livecode;?
where Essential features cannot.?

Andrew stated:?
?Any kind of timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than theming/res independence would be great. ... it is also the least important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.??
and said that he would sell a piece of his liver for the non-blocking url commands.?

I couldn?t agree more, even I?m an iOS-only developer, I don?t need and don?t use *fullscreenMode*?


The thing is, resources are scarce; time and efforts of RunRev team should be distributed wisely.?

There is a reason why we call some features as *pet*.?
One can love them, desperately need them;?
but some others don?t and those can be achieved already via pure Livecode script;?
than those are not *essential*.?

Some example scenarios:?

I have lost a 16.000$ project for one lacking feature: *Rotating an image without wiggling*.?
Funny, isn?t it??
16.000$!?
I could happily donate one fourth of it to RunRev?
in exchange of a timed handler consisting ?set the angle of tImage to ?? command which works right.?

But that doesn?t qualify it as an *essential* feature for two reasons:?
* Most of you don?t need it, even don?t notice its absence.?
* Livecode already rotates the image, just not perfect.?
It?s a pet feature; pet of me, for one.?

Theming cannot be considered as an *essential*,?
use a couple of png?s, it?s done and done.?

*fullscreenMode* cannot be considered as an *essential*.?
Read the resolution of the screen, choose appropriate image resources,?
resize and relocate your controls, upscale or downscale your font-sizes, easy peasy.?




Transparent unicode support is an essential;?
there?s no way to find a work-around other than using an external, even externals are not sufficient most of the time.?


Raw performance is an essential;?
there?s no way to speed things up beyond the engine?s limits?
and they?re fairly low.?
Try to calculate a recursive fib(33) under 0.5 second?
{it?s 14 seconds on a brand new Macbook Pro Retina, where it?s ~100ms. for Javascript.}?
or taking a snapshot of screen on mobile under 40ms?
{it?s +300ms. even on an iPhone 5S}.?


Using int32 for object sizes are essential;?
there?s no way to scroll content without using groups?
and there?s no way to increase a group?s size limit in pixels.?
It's not 1998 anymore, resolutions of device are not 800*600.?
32thousand pixels for a group is clearly not enough for nearly any content.?


A revamped url library is essential;?
One cannot cancel a download process in mobile.?
If it?s started, it?s started and will continue, end of story.?
One cannot update the UI while pulling the content from the server.?
All commands are blocking.?

Combine the last 2 of these examples and try to develop another Circa, NY Times, Snapchat, Instagram, Twitter, ??

I?m giving only mobile examples, because this is my field.?
I?m sure more examples can be given from desktop use cases.?



Interestingly, these are not among the future plans of RunRev except unicode thing.?


Back to my definition proposal;?

IF (the number of developersWhoNeed < the number of developersWhoDontNeed) OR \?
(can_It_Be_Done_With_Pure_Livecode) THEN?
? ? ? ? put ?Pet Feature??
ELSE?
? ? ? ? put ?Essential Feature??
END IF?




Best,?


~ Ender

From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Feb 11 08:08:31 2014
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:08:31 +0000
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <CF1FD07E.62B35%kevin@runrev.com>

There must be a way we can serve you better here. That specific case
defies belief - it does not cost that amount of money to produce that
feature, nothing like it. Our development team is highly trained and very,
very efficient these days. Its just too small to defocus from delivering
the KS goals. It does not cost all that much to increase it. We?re
probably better placed than anyone else to do that and provide crowd
source features rapidly and to a high standard. There are various
considerations though that need further thought though. I will debate this
further in house and see if we can come up with something very simple that
is better than what we currently do. No promises until we?ve done that of
course. More soon.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can code




On 11/02/2014 12:59, "Ender Nafi Elekcioglu" <endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:

>This was part of another topic, but I didn?t want to digress it, so
>opened a new thread.
>
>I think the issue is important as customers have an effect on the future
>roadmaps of companies.
>People wanted *theming* and *resolution independence*, RunRev provided
>it. 
>Nobody seems to care about size constraints of objects, so there isn?t
>any plans about it.
>
>The definition should be, in my opinion, as:
>Pet features are those which can already be achieved via pure Livecode;
>where Essential features cannot.
>
>Andrew stated: 
>?Any kind of timelines or updates on any of the stretch goals other than
>theming/res independence would be great. ... it is also the least
>important to folks who aren't doing mac or mobile dev.?
>and said that he would sell a piece of his liver for the non-blocking url
>commands. 
>
>I couldn?t agree more, even I?m an iOS-only developer, I don?t need and
>don?t use *fullscreenMode*
>
>
>The thing is, resources are scarce; time and efforts of RunRev team
>should be distributed wisely.
>
>There is a reason why we call some features as *pet*.
>One can love them, desperately need them;
>but some others don?t and those can be achieved already via pure Livecode
>script; 
>than those are not *essential*.
>
>Some example scenarios:
>
>I have lost a 16.000$ project for one lacking feature: *Rotating an image
>without wiggling*.
>Funny, isn?t it? 
>16.000$! 
>I could happily donate one fourth of it to RunRev
>in exchange of a timed handler consisting ?set the angle of tImage to ??
>command which works right.
>
>But that doesn?t qualify it as an *essential* feature for two reasons:
>* Most of you don?t need it, even don?t notice its absence.
>* Livecode already rotates the image, just not perfect.
>It?s a pet feature; pet of me, for one.
>
>Theming cannot be considered as an *essential*,
>use a couple of png?s, it?s done and done.
>
>*fullscreenMode* cannot be considered as an *essential*.
>Read the resolution of the screen, choose appropriate image resources,
>resize and relocate your controls, upscale or downscale your font-sizes,
>easy peasy. 
>
>
>
>
>Transparent unicode support is an essential;
>there?s no way to find a work-around other than using an external, even
>externals are not sufficient most of the time.
>
>
>Raw performance is an essential;
>there?s no way to speed things up beyond the engine?s limits
>and they?re fairly low.
>Try to calculate a recursive fib(33) under 0.5 second
>{it?s 14 seconds on a brand new Macbook Pro Retina, where it?s ~100ms.
>for Javascript.} 
>or taking a snapshot of screen on mobile under 40ms
>{it?s +300ms. even on an iPhone 5S}.
>
>
>Using int32 for object sizes are essential;
>there?s no way to scroll content without using groups
>and there?s no way to increase a group?s size limit in pixels.
>It's not 1998 anymore, resolutions of device are not 800*600.
>32thousand pixels for a group is clearly not enough for nearly any
>content. 
>
>
>A revamped url library is essential;
>One cannot cancel a download process in mobile.
>If it?s started, it?s started and will continue, end of story.
>One cannot update the UI while pulling the content from the server.
>All commands are blocking.
>
>Combine the last 2 of these examples and try to develop another Circa, NY
>Times, Snapchat, Instagram, Twitter, ?
>
>I?m giving only mobile examples, because this is my field.
>I?m sure more examples can be given from desktop use cases.
>
>
>
>Interestingly, these are not among the future plans of RunRev except
>unicode thing. 
>
>
>Back to my definition proposal;
>
>IF (the number of developersWhoNeed < the number of
>developersWhoDontNeed) OR \
>(can_It_Be_Done_With_Pure_Livecode) THEN
>        put ?Pet Feature?
>ELSE 
>        put ?Essential Feature?
>END IF 
>
>
>
>
>Best, 
>
>
>~ Ender
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode





From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 08:10:30 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:10:30 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>

Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all 
the dollar sign variables?  I'll list a few, below, for reference.  
Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they 
not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of 
unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my 
own variables.

Thanks,

Ray

$#
$0
$ALLUSERSPROFILE
$APPDATA
$CommanProgramFiles
$CommonProgramW6432



From th.douez at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 08:13:59 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 14:13:59 +0100
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO6FfjWK6ALX8DbC-9NeWEksHpxxs3ybYcsyo25qnXOxxg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ray,

This has been dicussed few times in this list
with a solution.

Sorry, don't have the link but...

Regards,

Thierry

------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf


2014-02-11 Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
> Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the
> dollar sign variables?  I'll list a few, below, for reference.  Sometimes
> they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show
> up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to
> get to what I really need to see which is my own variables.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> $#
> $0
> $ALLUSERSPROFILE
> $APPDATA
> $CommanProgramFiles
> $CommonProgramW6432
>



From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 08:20:05 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:20:05 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO6FfjWK6ALX8DbC-9NeWEksHpxxs3ybYcsyo25qnXOxxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<CAO8ucO6FfjWK6ALX8DbC-9NeWEksHpxxs3ybYcsyo25qnXOxxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA2385.2090600@LinkIt.Com>

Yeah I tried looking it up before posting.  I discovered these variables 
are "environment variables" but I couldn't see how to suppress the 
display of them.

On 2/11/2014 8:13 AM, Thierry Douez wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> This has been dicussed few times in this list
> with a solution.
>
> Sorry, don't have the link but...
>
> Regards,
>
> Thierry
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
>
>
> 2014-02-11 Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
>> Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all the
>> dollar sign variables?  I'll list a few, below, for reference.  Sometimes
>> they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they not only show
>> up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of unnecessary scrolling to
>> get to what I really need to see which is my own variables.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> $#
>> $0
>> $ALLUSERSPROFILE
>> $APPDATA
>> $CommanProgramFiles
>> $CommonProgramW6432
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 08:19:20 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:19:20 +0200
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>

On 11/02/14 15:10, Ray wrote:
> Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying 
> all the dollar sign variables?  I'll list a few, below, for 
> reference.  Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of 
> the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing 
> a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see 
> which is my own variables.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> $#
> $0
> $ALLUSERSPROFILE
> $APPDATA
> $CommanProgramFiles
> $CommonProgramW6432
>

That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have 
NEVER seen
anything like that in a script editor.

Richmond.



From endernafi at keehuna.com  Tue Feb 11 08:31:33 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:31:33 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <CF1FD07E.62B35%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CF1FD07E.62B35%kevin@runrev.com> <CF1FD07E.62B35%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fa2635.238e1f29.13b@fdbqRetina.local>

Kevin,

My point was, RunRev shouldn?t lose its focus.
We are programmers, after all; somethings should be done by us.
No need to be lazy.
You should provide us what we can't achieve by ourselves.

Raw performance,?
unicode,?
a modern set of commands to interact with servers,
an up-to-date graphics engine, I don?t know, there are many other things

Once I opened a thread regarding integrating Sprite Kit of Xcode.
I learned my lesson from experienced Livecoders that time.
RunRev shouldn?t be distracted by platform-specific features and shouldn?t lose its focus.

As I said and as you know well, resources are scarce.
I think you ought to ask yourselves while drawing your roadmap;
what feature is really important, serves better in the future, serves the majority of your existing and *potential* customers.

Give us performance, then we?ll build our own particle-effects engine.
You shouldn?t be bothered with that.

Give us a modern graphics engine which benefits maximum of GPU,?
then we?ll build our own physics routines, animation algorithms,
even dynamic blurred backgrounds :)


Technology advances rapidly, you can?t risk of missing the train?



Regards,

~ Ender

On February 11, 2014 at 15:08:55, Kevin Miller (kevin at runrev.com) wrote:

There must be a way we can serve you better here. That specific case  
defies belief - it does not cost that amount of money to produce that  
feature, nothing like it. Our development team is highly trained and very,  
very efficient these days. Its just too small to defocus from delivering  
the KS goals. It does not cost all that much to increase it. We?re  
probably better placed than anyone else to do that and provide crowd  
source features rapidly and to a high standard. There are various  
considerations though that need further thought though. I will debate this  
further in house and see if we can come up with something very simple that  
is better than what we currently do. No promises until we?ve done that of  
course. More soon.  

Kind regards,  

Kevin  

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/  
LiveCode: Everyone can code  


From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 08:32:14 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:32:14 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA265E.3080203@LinkIt.Com>

I've definitely got a system which shows up issues in the script 
editor.  LC did confirm the bug I posted a few weeks ago about the 
script editor's propensity to always open partially off the screen 
instead of where I closed it, although a lot of guys reported they 
couldn't repeat that one either.

On 2/11/2014 8:19 AM, Richmond wrote:
> On 11/02/14 15:10, Ray wrote:
>> Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying 
>> all the dollar sign variables? I'll list a few, below, for 
>> reference.  Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of 
>> the time they not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing 
>> a lot of unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see 
>> which is my own variables.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> $#
>> $0
>> $ALLUSERSPROFILE
>> $APPDATA
>> $CommanProgramFiles
>> $CommonProgramW6432
>>
>
> That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have 
> NEVER seen
> anything like that in a script editor.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 08:41:08 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:41:08 -0500
Subject: Delete a single custom property set
In-Reply-To: <52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA2874.30803@LinkIt.Com>

Does anybody know how to delete a single custom property set without 
deleting any others?

The documentation mentions setting an object's customPropertySets to 
empty, but that deletes ALL the customPropertySets.   I just want to 
delete one specific custom property set.

Thanks,

Ray



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Feb 11 08:55:21 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:55:21 +0000
Subject: Delete a single custom property set
In-Reply-To: <52FA2874.30803@LinkIt.Com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>, <52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>,
	<52FA2874.30803@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W1233048BBA2F956487B1F2AED930@phx.gbl>

Ray...

from the user guide...

In LiveCode, there is no command to delete a custom property set. Instead, you place all
the custom property set names in a variable, delete the one you don't want from that
variable, and set the customPropertySets back to the modified contents of the
variable. This removes the custom property set whose name you deleted.
For example, the following statements delete a custom property set called "mySet" from
the button "My Button":

get the customPropertySets of button "My Button"
set the wholeMatches to true
delete line lineOffset("mySet",it) of it
set the customPropertySets of button "My Button" to it


> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:41:08 -0500
> From: ray at linkit.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Delete a single custom property set
> 
> Does anybody know how to delete a single custom property set without 
> deleting any others?
> 
> The documentation mentions setting an object's customPropertySets to 
> empty, but that deletes ALL the customPropertySets.   I just want to 
> delete one specific custom property set.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ray
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
 		 	   		  

From peterwawood at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 09:21:34 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:21:34 +0800
Subject: LiveCode in Elementary Schools
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioNn8puNbZrzoP0WAd7J9fFPrF68SbHgGQW4yJ4kwfHaMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU175-W460FB0A24729D6C69A8BBAF900@phx.gbl>
	<52F905FC.4060709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGASioMW7GYeoCo3iSr_AWaEYEDiYcWQq4DE0MyeHL4WP-4kYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB0B54C7-4969-41AB-AA9C-1BA590FA339C@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioNn8puNbZrzoP0WAd7J9fFPrF68SbHgGQW4yJ4kwfHaMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F85E65BB-7CBA-4D60-81FF-20858F0B8ED7@gmail.com>

There doesn't seem to be a forum for Scottish Schools, only this http://livecode.com/community/teaching-with-livecode/schools/

Regards

Peter
LiveCode1001.blogspot.com

On 11 Feb 2014, at 17:31, David Bovill wrote:

> I'm wandering about the Scottish schools?
> 
> 
> On 11 February 2014 09:19, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> David
>> 
>> There has been a teacher's forum for some time at
>> http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=25
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
>> LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
>> 
>> On 11 Feb 2014, at 17:12, David Bovill wrote:
>> 
>>> It would be great if there was a list / forum / social network site for
>>> teachers, and for young learners?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10 February 2014 17:01, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> j at unmla.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm interested in learning whether LiveCode is an appropriate tool
>>>>> for introducing elementary school children to the field of computer
>>>>> science.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> LiveCode has been eagerly adopted in the educational market. I can't
>> find
>>>> the link, but Scotland's schools throughout the country have adopted
>>>> LiveCode as the preferred method to teach basic programming skills.
>>>> 
>>>> On the RuvRev web site there are three write-ups of how LiveCode is
>> being
>>>> used in educational settings. While these aren't elementary schools, I
>>>> think the same principles would apply to any age student:
>>>> 
>>>> <http://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/>
>>>> <http://www.gracemounthighschool.co.uk/>
>>>> <
>> http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/eleanor-white-paper-white-
>>>> paper.pdf>
>>>> 
>>>> The main web page with all these links and more is at:
>>>> 
>>>> <http://livecode.com/showcase/>
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> http://www.gracemounthighschool.co.uk/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 09:34:01 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:34:01 -0500
Subject: Delete a single custom property set
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W1233048BBA2F956487B1F2AED930@phx.gbl>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>,
	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>, <52FA2874.30803@LinkIt.Com>
	<DUB114-W1233048BBA2F956487B1F2AED930@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <52FA34D9.10300@LinkIt.Com>

John,

Thanks for this tip.  That's really weird though isn't it?  As I look at 
the variable I put the customPropertySets into I only see the names of 
the sets, not the properties (array elements) or their values.  
Nonetheless, it works when I put them back so I guess I have no worries.

Thanks,

Ray

On 2/11/2014 8:55 AM, John Dixon wrote:
> Ray...
>
> from the user guide...
>
> In LiveCode, there is no command to delete a custom property set. Instead, you place all
> the custom property set names in a variable, delete the one you don't want from that
> variable, and set the customPropertySets back to the modified contents of the
> variable. This removes the custom property set whose name you deleted.
> For example, the following statements delete a custom property set called "mySet" from
> the button "My Button":
>
> get the customPropertySets of button "My Button"
> set the wholeMatches to true
> delete line lineOffset("mySet",it) of it
> set the customPropertySets of button "My Button" to it
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 08:41:08 -0500
>> From: ray at linkit.com
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Subject: Delete a single custom property set
>>
>> Does anybody know how to delete a single custom property set without
>> deleting any others?
>>
>> The documentation mentions setting an object's customPropertySets to
>> empty, but that deletes ALL the customPropertySets.   I just want to
>> delete one specific custom property set.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>   		 	   		
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 11 10:13:32 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:13:32 -0800
Subject: Delete a single custom property set
In-Reply-To: <52FA34D9.10300@LinkIt.Com>
References: <52FA34D9.10300@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <52FA3E1C.2050404@fourthworld.com>

Ray asked:

> Thanks for this tip.  That's really weird though isn't it?

It may be helpful to submit a request for that in the Bug DB, something 
like:

delete propertySet <propSetName>

Under the hood it would do what we can do now in script, but it would be 
much more intuitive.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 11 10:18:18 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:18:18 +0100
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <52FA3F3A.1010100@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ray,

Does it help if you uncheck the "Show globals" checkbox in the Script 
Editor pane of the Preferences window?


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/11/2014 14:10, Ray wrote:
> Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all
> the dollar sign variables?  I'll list a few, below, for reference.
> Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they
> not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of
> unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my
> own variables.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> $#
> $0
> $ALLUSERSPROFILE
> $APPDATA
> $CommanProgramFiles
> $CommonProgramW6432
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 11 10:26:35 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:26:35 -0800
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:
> It's too late to start now, but I'm sure it would make for an interesting
> info-graphic, one that continually recorded and then displayed the man
> hours and Kickstarter ? spent on the various 'areas' that the Runrev team
> is focusing on as they move LC forward. I'm sure refactor and unicode would
> display as huge blobs. Little, but growing blobs for the various branches
> that parallel, then disappear when they are incorporated, or not.

Not too late at all - it could even be animated:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNNusWCeBWA>

The tool that was used to make that, gource, can be run from the command 
line, and therefore from cron:
https://code.google.com/p/gource/

The only downside with that visualization is that it takes a large 
screen to really see what's going on.  Might be nice to also have some 
other automated graphic view - what else is floating around in the Git 
world for that?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 11 10:34:06 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:34:06 -0800
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG-Q_YWS7ber0J2c-fV7Z_2W-6ZM+O8BsGy6SBKNYGUKNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHg3tG-Q_YWS7ber0J2c-fV7Z_2W-6ZM+O8BsGy6SBKNYGUKNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA42EE.1060709@fourthworld.com>

Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Kevin Miller wrote:
>>
>>  Actually its the core refactor / Unicode that was the really tough bit. A
>>> long time with heads down and only internal dps so far. But in terms of
>>> actual throughput its been massive. The other goals aren't of the same
>>> scope and as such aren't as far away as it may seem.
>>
>> That's very encouraging to hear.  QuickTime replacement and Cocoa have
>> been key concerns for many of us.  Very much looking forward to those.
>
> Richard (and others),
>
> I don't know if you have Xcode set up to compile LiveCode or not, but if
> you do then you may enjoy following along with the Cocoa project:
>
> https://github.com/runrevmark/livecode/tree/feature-cocoa
>
> I've been building and testing my app as Mark releases updates the cocoa
> branch (which is quite regularly). The de-quicktimification has already
> begun as well. You can read the progress the is being made in the commit
> notes:
>
> https://github.com/runrevmark/livecode/commits/feature-cocoa
>
> It is fun to see what the team is working on and follow along with features
> you are interested in.

Useful indeed, but to be honest I was asking on behalf of a fair number 
of requests I get from friends and colleagues wondering why the 
communication about LiveCode from the core team is so sparse relative to 
other FOSS projects.

A weekly blog post would do wonders, even if brief.

The last blog entry was more than two months ago:
http://livecode.com/about/blog/

Given the size of the Git community, I imagine there may even some way 
to automate progress summaries which could then be posted to the blog, 
perhaps even automating the posting itself.

But even if tasked to the project's Community Manager, any brief update 
at regular intervals would be very helpful.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 10:34:44 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:34:44 -0500
Subject: Delete a single custom property set
In-Reply-To: <52FA3E1C.2050404@fourthworld.com>
References: <52FA34D9.10300@LinkIt.Com> <52FA3E1C.2050404@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <52FA4314.8040409@LinkIt.Com>

I'll do that, and I'll also add a request for an intuitive, one-liner 
way to rename a custom property set, as in

    set the name of customPropertySet oldName of object objName to newName

which is another thing we can currently only do by writing a script.

Thanks Richard,

Ray


On 2/11/2014 10:13 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Ray asked:
>
>> Thanks for this tip.  That's really weird though isn't it?
>
> It may be helpful to submit a request for that in the Bug DB, 
> something like:
>
> delete propertySet <propSetName>
>
> Under the hood it would do what we can do now in script, but it would 
> be much more intuitive.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 10:39:32 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:39:32 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA3F3A.1010100@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<52FA3F3A.1010100@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <52FA4434.9080805@LinkIt.Com>

No, it sure doesn't Mark but thanks for trying.  As a matter of fact, 
when I just opened the Script Editor pane of the Preferences window I 
found the Show Globals button unchecked.  Just to experiment I checked 
it, opened a script in debug mode, and actually found more dollar sign 
variables than before, 37 in all as compared to just 16 before.  I then 
unchecked it but I still see the longer list displayed when the script 
editor window opens.

Thanks,

Ray

On 2/11/2014 10:18 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> Does it help if you uncheck the "Show globals" checkbox in the Script 
> Editor pane of the Preferences window?
>
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
> On 2/11/2014 14:10, Ray wrote:
>> Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all
>> the dollar sign variables?  I'll list a few, below, for reference.
>> Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they
>> not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of
>> unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my
>> own variables.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> $#
>> $0
>> $ALLUSERSPROFILE
>> $APPDATA
>> $CommanProgramFiles
>> $CommonProgramW6432
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Feb 11 10:41:12 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:41:12 +0000
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <52F96BBB.8060103@tweedly.net>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B2A28860-C6C2-4BE6-8277-F0C34F04948C@byu.edu>
	<52F96BBB.8060103@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <D86F2AED-9FE9-40C0-BED6-B3F5DEBE7B94@byu.edu>


On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>
 wrote:

> On 10/02/2014 17:51, Devin Asay wrote:
>> Seems like the most LiveCode-like syntax would be something like:
>> 
>> pad <container> with <string> at beginning|end|<chunk description> [for] N [times]
>> 
>> So,
>> 
>> pad myvar with space at beginning 4 times
>> 
>> pad fld "foo" with 0 at end 10 times
>> 
>> pad "hello" with "xyz" after char 3 for 2 times --> helxyzxyzlo
>> 
>> 
> While I like the general idea, I don't think that's the *most* LC-like syntax.
> I don't see any need to invent a new verb "pad"; why not simply something like
> 
> put <value> [for N times] <chunk description>
> or
> put [N copies of] <value> <chunk description>
> 
> Thus
>   put "hello" into myVar
>   put "xyz" for 2 times after char 3 of myVar    --> helxyzxyzlo
> or perhaps
>   put 2 copies of "xyz" after char 3 of myVar
> 
> Or indeed
>   put "abc" & 4 copies of " " & "def" into newVar
> to give a value of "abc    def"


I like your suggestion, Alex. It makes sense to simply add capability to an existing command. I wonder whether the open language model will make it easy to support syntax enhancements like this?

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Feb 11 10:48:04 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:48:04 +0000
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>

If you are talking about recursion, that is having a function call itself, be aware that there is a limit to recursion. But I don?t think that is what you are asking. 

The repeat structure is pretty damned efficient already. For repeats of a fixed number where your script doesn?t need the count, use repeat for x. If the script needs to know what the count is, repeat with x=y to z. If you need to repeat until a condition is true, repeat until condition is true (or the converse repeat while condition is not true). 

Even slicker is the repeat for each chunk x in y as in repeat for each item theTeam in theNBATeams. BEWARE with this one however. you MUST NOT modify the contents of theNBATeams in your repeat loop! This is because Livecode ?maps? the memory holding theNBATeams by each chunk, and altering what is in that memory wreaks holy havoc with your scripts. Why use it you say? Because it?s really efficient, perhaps the most efficient of all the repeat structures. 

For small tasks though, your users will not even be able to blink before 100,000 simple repeats are executed. I ran a 100,000 count loop with nothing in the repeat loop to do and it took 1 tick. ONE TICK! The repeat loop is NOT what slows things down! So it?s really a matter of what suits the problem you are trying to solve. 

Bob


On Feb 9, 2014, at 14:15 , Nakia Brewer <Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> What is the best way to keep repeating a handler/function.
> 
> In the past I have placed a 'repeat until local variable = false' in the handler to keep it repeating but I don't imagine this is the most efficient way.
> Am I better off using the send option or dispatch ?
> 
> Any opinions would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Feb 11 11:36:14 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:36:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>

Hi.


This is one of my favorite things, courtesy of Thierry. Open the script of the debugger and place this in its script. Replace the handler completely.





function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames
   local tGlobalsRaw
   put the globals into tGlobalsRaw
   
   replace comma with return in tGlobalsRaw
  
   filter tGlobalsRaw without "*(x86)"
    filter tGlobalsRaw without "$*"
     filter tGlobalsRaw without "grev*"
   replace return with comma in tGlobalsRaw
   
   return tGlobalsRaw
end revDebuggerValidGlobalNames


Peace at last.


Craig Newman




-----Original Message-----
From: Ray <ray at linkit.com>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:10 am
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables


Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all 
the dollar sign variables?  I'll list a few, below, for reference.  
Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they 
not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of 
unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my 
own variables.

Thanks,

Ray

$#
$0
$ALLUSERSPROFILE
$APPDATA
$CommanProgramFiles
$CommonProgramW6432

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 11:39:45 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:39:45 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <52FA5251.2040600@LinkIt.Com>

Theiry, Craig,

This method works:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2012-February/169029.html

but it can't be saved, forcing me to do a lot of work-around each time I 
open Livecode.  It seems I have a permission issue.

Here's what I do:

Open Message Box, Show Front Scripts, Open stack "revDebugger"
Go to the function "revDebuggerValidGlobalNames" and add the following line:
    filter tGlobalsRaw without "grev*"

This works beautifully but it can't be saved.  If I try saving the 
"revDebugger" stack from the message box I get the error:

    can't open stack backup file

If I quit I'm prompted to save changes to "revDebugger",
but when I choose to do so I get a longer error:

    Can't save stack revDebugger due to an error
    Can't open stack backup file
    Check the file path, and make sure you have sufficient permissions.

If I try a "save as" and then replace the existing support file with the 
new one it completely corrupts my installation of Livecode forcing me to 
download and re-install.

Is there something going on with my "permissions" that I can set to 
allow the saving of changes to the "revDebugger" stack?

Thanks,

Ray
On 2/11/2014 11:36 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Hi.
>
>
> This is one of my favorite things, courtesy of Thierry. Open the script of the debugger and place this in its script. Replace the handler completely.
>
>
>
>
>
> function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames
>     local tGlobalsRaw
>     put the globals into tGlobalsRaw
>     
>     replace comma with return in tGlobalsRaw
>    
>     filter tGlobalsRaw without "*(x86)"
>      filter tGlobalsRaw without "$*"
>       filter tGlobalsRaw without "grev*"
>     replace return with comma in tGlobalsRaw
>     
>     return tGlobalsRaw
> end revDebuggerValidGlobalNames
>
>
> Peace at last.
>
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray <ray at linkit.com>
> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:10 am
> Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
>
>
> Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all
> the dollar sign variables?  I'll list a few, below, for reference.
> Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they
> not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of
> unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my
> own variables.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> $#
> $0
> $ALLUSERSPROFILE
> $APPDATA
> $CommanProgramFiles
> $CommonProgramW6432
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>   
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Feb 11 11:46:00 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:46:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA5251.2040600@LinkIt.Com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA5251.2040600@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <8D0F55FE1011318-295C-20525@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>

Ray.


This has worked for me without issue for years, in my several versions of both Commercial and Community. I do have to save the debugger script, and then quit LC for the changes to stick, but never see the errors you do. 


Craig 



-----Original Message-----
From: Ray <ray at linkit.com>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:40 am
Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables


Theiry, Craig,

This method works:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2012-February/169029.html

but it can't be saved, forcing me to do a lot of work-around each time I 
open Livecode.  It seems I have a permission issue.

Here's what I do:

Open Message Box, Show Front Scripts, Open stack "revDebugger"
Go to the function "revDebuggerValidGlobalNames" and add the following line:
    filter tGlobalsRaw without "grev*"

This works beautifully but it can't be saved.  If I try saving the 
"revDebugger" stack from the message box I get the error:

    can't open stack backup file

If I quit I'm prompted to save changes to "revDebugger",
but when I choose to do so I get a longer error:

    Can't save stack revDebugger due to an error
    Can't open stack backup file
    Check the file path, and make sure you have sufficient permissions.

If I try a "save as" and then replace the existing support file with the 
new one it completely corrupts my installation of Livecode forcing me to 
download and re-install.

Is there something going on with my "permissions" that I can set to 
allow the saving of changes to the "revDebugger" stack?

Thanks,

Ray
On 2/11/2014 11:36 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Hi.
>
>
> This is one of my favorite things, courtesy of Thierry. Open the script of the 
debugger and place this in its script. Replace the handler completely.
>
>
>
>
>
> function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames
>     local tGlobalsRaw
>     put the globals into tGlobalsRaw
>     
>     replace comma with return in tGlobalsRaw
>    
>     filter tGlobalsRaw without "*(x86)"
>      filter tGlobalsRaw without "$*"
>       filter tGlobalsRaw without "grev*"
>     replace return with comma in tGlobalsRaw
>     
>     return tGlobalsRaw
> end revDebuggerValidGlobalNames
>
>
> Peace at last.
>
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray <ray at linkit.com>
> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:10 am
> Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
>
>
> Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all
> the dollar sign variables?  I'll list a few, below, for reference.
> Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they
> not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of
> unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my
> own variables.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> $#
> $0
> $ALLUSERSPROFILE
> $APPDATA
> $CommanProgramFiles
> $CommonProgramW6432
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>   
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 11:55:21 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:55:21 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <8D0F55FE1011318-295C-20525@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>	<52FA5251.2040600@LinkIt.Com>
	<8D0F55FE1011318-295C-20525@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <52FA55F9.8000803@LinkIt.Com>

Craig,

For some reason I'm experiencing multiple issues with the script editor 
window.  Not only do I see the environment variables (preceded with the 
dollar sign) but the window is always popping up in odd places on my 
monitors.  It also seems kind of add that I can't save changes to this 
stack.

Can you think of any Livecode preference file (which is not getting 
uninstalled) that could be causing these problems?

Thanks,

Ray

On 2/11/2014 11:46 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Ray.
>
>
> This has worked for me without issue for years, in my several versions of both Commercial and Community. I do have to save the debugger script, and then quit LC for the changes to stick, but never see the errors you do.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray <ray at linkit.com>
> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 11:40 am
> Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables
>
>
> Theiry, Craig,
>
> This method works:
>
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2012-February/169029.html
>
> but it can't be saved, forcing me to do a lot of work-around each time I
> open Livecode.  It seems I have a permission issue.
>
> Here's what I do:
>
> Open Message Box, Show Front Scripts, Open stack "revDebugger"
> Go to the function "revDebuggerValidGlobalNames" and add the following line:
>      filter tGlobalsRaw without "grev*"
>
> This works beautifully but it can't be saved.  If I try saving the
> "revDebugger" stack from the message box I get the error:
>
>      can't open stack backup file
>
> If I quit I'm prompted to save changes to "revDebugger",
> but when I choose to do so I get a longer error:
>
>      Can't save stack revDebugger due to an error
>      Can't open stack backup file
>      Check the file path, and make sure you have sufficient permissions.
>
> If I try a "save as" and then replace the existing support file with the
> new one it completely corrupts my installation of Livecode forcing me to
> download and re-install.
>
> Is there something going on with my "permissions" that I can set to
> allow the saving of changes to the "revDebugger" stack?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
> On 2/11/2014 11:36 AM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>>
>> This is one of my favorite things, courtesy of Thierry. Open the script of the
> debugger and place this in its script. Replace the handler completely.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> function revDebuggerValidGlobalNames
>>      local tGlobalsRaw
>>      put the globals into tGlobalsRaw
>>      
>>      replace comma with return in tGlobalsRaw
>>     
>>      filter tGlobalsRaw without "*(x86)"
>>       filter tGlobalsRaw without "$*"
>>        filter tGlobalsRaw without "grev*"
>>      replace return with comma in tGlobalsRaw
>>      
>>      return tGlobalsRaw
>> end revDebuggerValidGlobalNames
>>
>>
>> Peace at last.
>>
>>
>> Craig Newman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ray <ray at linkit.com>
>> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 8:10 am
>> Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
>>
>>
>> Does anybody know of a way to stop the script editor from displaying all
>> the dollar sign variables?  I'll list a few, below, for reference.
>> Sometimes they don't show up for some reason but most of the time they
>> not only show up but they're listed at the top, causing a lot of
>> unnecessary scrolling to get to what I really need to see which is my
>> own variables.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> $#
>> $0
>> $ALLUSERSPROFILE
>> $APPDATA
>> $CommanProgramFiles
>> $CommonProgramW6432
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>    
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>   
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Feb 11 12:11:48 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:11:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [OT] Possible chance to spread the word
In-Reply-To: <3B1F5513-810A-4CC2-B2E8-01BA0A8F5E4E@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.3.1379757601.21549.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<3B1F5513-810A-4CC2-B2E8-01BA0A8F5E4E@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <8D0F5637B3C8DC6-295C-209A0@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>

Malte.


Done.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:32 am
Subject: [OT] Possible chance to spread the word


One of the "social thingies" I participate in, had a link that might help us 
spread the word about liveCode.

http://www.howdoyoucode.com/

Maybe it is worth taking that survey.

Cheers,

Malte
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 11 12:28:31 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:28:31 -0600
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/11/14, 9:48 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> For small tasks though, your users will not even be able to blink
> before 100,000 simple repeats are executed. I ran a 100,000 count
> loop with nothing in the repeat loop to do and it took 1 tick. ONE
> TICK! The repeat loop is NOT what slows things down!

Well, it depends. Try running your repeat loop with even a single line 
of code inside and use the form "repeat with x = 1 to 100000". That's 
the slowest way to do a repeat loop and I think you'll see a difference, 
particularly if the single line of code accesses any part of the current 
line. Every time through the loop, the engine has to count from 1 all 
over again.

For example, try this and compare with your previous results:

put my100000lineData into tData
repeat with x = 1 to 100000
  get word 1 of line x of tData
end repeat

If you get word 10 of each line it will slow down more while the engine 
counts not only the line number but also the word number.

Benchmarks would be interesting, if anyone has time to try it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 11 12:31:58 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:31:58 -0600
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote:
> That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have
> NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor.

They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. 
They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 11 12:33:09 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:33:09 -0600
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <52FA5ED5.6080301@hyperactivesw.com>

Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would 
turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice 
to be able to choose.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 11 12:37:14 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:37:14 -0600
Subject: LiveCode in Elementary Schools
In-Reply-To: <CAGASioNn8puNbZrzoP0WAd7J9fFPrF68SbHgGQW4yJ4kwfHaMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>	<BLU175-W460FB0A24729D6C69A8BBAF900@phx.gbl>	<52F905FC.4060709@hyperactivesw.com>	<CAGASioMW7GYeoCo3iSr_AWaEYEDiYcWQq4DE0MyeHL4WP-4kYg@mail.gmail.com>	<EB0B54C7-4969-41AB-AA9C-1BA590FA339C@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioNn8puNbZrzoP0WAd7J9fFPrF68SbHgGQW4yJ4kwfHaMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA5FCA.3050600@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/11/14, 3:31 AM, David Bovill wrote:
> I'm wandering about the Scottish schools?

I found this link:
<http://runrev.com/leading-education-authority-selects-livecode-for-computer-science-initiative/>

There are several others if you do a search for "LiveCode in Scottish 
schools". Apparently it isn't all schools, it's about a quarter of them.

LiveCode is making good inroads into the school systems of other 
countries too. That's another thing I read somewhere but can't remember 
where.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 11 12:40:06 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:40:06 -0600
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <52F96BBB.8060103@tweedly.net>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>	<B2A28860-C6C2-4BE6-8277-F0C34F04948C@byu.edu>
	<52F96BBB.8060103@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <52FA6076.3060002@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/10/14, 6:15 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I don't see any need to invent a new verb "pad"; why not simply
> something like
>
> put <value> [for N times] <chunk description>
> or
> put [N copies of] <value> <chunk description>
>
> Thus
>     put "hello" into myVar
>     put "xyz" for 2 times after char 3 of myVar    --> helxyzxyzlo
> or perhaps
>     put 2 copies of "xyz" after char 3 of myVar
>
> Or indeed
>     put "abc" & 4 copies of " " & "def" into newVar
> to give a value of "abc    def"

I could go with the first one, but if we're to avoid inventing new 
syntax then I'd drop the version that uses "copies". But the first 
variation would work and I like the idea of building off existing 
terminology.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From rwtools at researchware.com  Tue Feb 11 12:41:24 2014
From: rwtools at researchware.com (Researchware, Inc.)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:41:24 -0500
Subject: Test Post...
Message-ID: <52FA60C4.8000404@researchware.com>

Been having some posting problems. Trying to track them down. Please
delete or ignore.



From paul at researchware.com  Tue Feb 11 12:42:32 2014
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:42:32 -0500
Subject: Test Post...
Message-ID: <52FA6108.6020803@researchware.com>

Trying to debug some list posting issues. Please delete or ignore.

-- 
Paul Dupuis
Cofounder
*Researchware, Inc.*
http://www.researchware.com
http://www.twitter.com/researchware
http://www.facebook.com/researchware
http://www.linkedin.com/company/researchware-inc
https://plus.google.com/+Researchware/
<http://plus.google.com/+Researchware/>



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Feb 11 12:51:15 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:51:15 -0500
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <52FA6076.3060002@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B2A28860-C6C2-4BE6-8277-F0C34F04948C@byu.edu>
	<52F96BBB.8060103@tweedly.net> <52FA6076.3060002@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOsHoOYB2QPyWaBBuJ3nd3PfXedCeiYb+eihSTW9sDRLw@mail.gmail.com>

I guess I'm more of a fan of having multiple ways of saying something,
because then each person can use whatever feels most natural and intuitive
to them instead of being forced.


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:40 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 2/10/14, 6:15 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>  I don't see any need to invent a new verb "pad"; why not simply
>> something like
>>
>> put <value> [for N times] <chunk description>
>> or
>> put [N copies of] <value> <chunk description>
>>
>> Thus
>>     put "hello" into myVar
>>     put "xyz" for 2 times after char 3 of myVar    --> helxyzxyzlo
>> or perhaps
>>     put 2 copies of "xyz" after char 3 of myVar
>>
>> Or indeed
>>     put "abc" & 4 copies of " " & "def" into newVar
>> to give a value of "abc    def"
>>
>
> I could go with the first one, but if we're to avoid inventing new syntax
> then I'd drop the version that uses "copies". But the first variation would
> work and I like the idea of building off existing terminology.
>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From paul at researchware.com  Tue Feb 11 13:02:52 2014
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:02:52 -0500
Subject: New England area (US) user group?
Message-ID: <52FA65CC.80808@researchware.com>

New England area (USA) LiveCode User Group

A number of regional informal LiveCode users groups have been formed
over the years that remain active today.

With the very increasing robustness of LiveCode and the many platforms
it support, sharing information, tips, techniques, and methods is more
helpful than ever.

In that spirit, I am reaching our to the LiveCode community for members
in the New England area of the United States to see if there is interest
in gathering for a periodic regional LiveCode user group?

I would be happy to arrange for space for an initial meeting. If you are
interested in participating, please contact me at paul at researchware.com
with where you are located, any day and time constraints, and whether
you want to listen or have something you would like to talk about.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Tue Feb 11 13:06:45 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:06:45 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA5ED5.6080301@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA5ED5.6080301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXOQtkqJ8vbhnKJs7-s1P0zM8WemOxc-fMyir97=v1abTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Or list them at the bottom.  I wouldn't want them gone.  Out of sight, out
of mind, and you forget they are there when you need them.

~Roger


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would
> turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to
> be able to choose.
>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 13:20:37 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:20:37 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXOQtkqJ8vbhnKJs7-s1P0zM8WemOxc-fMyir97=v1abTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>	<52FA5ED5.6080301@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAAT6EXOQtkqJ8vbhnKJs7-s1P0zM8WemOxc-fMyir97=v1abTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA69F5.2090403@LinkIt.Com>

Since this is already a preference in the Script Editor pane so I took 
reported it as a bug since checking/unchecking it has no effect.  It's 
bug #11786 "Show Globals Preference Doesn't Work"

Funny thing though, somehow in my testing I've succeeded in hiding them, 
although the check box still has no effect.  They've shown up and then 
gone away sort of randomly for a few versions now.

Thanks,

Ray

On 2/11/2014 1:06 PM, Roger Eller wrote:
> Or list them at the bottom.  I wouldn't want them gone.  Out of sight, out
> of mind, and you forget they are there when you need them.
>
> ~Roger
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:33 PM, J. Landman Gay
> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
>
>> Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would
>> turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to
>> be able to choose.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 13:28:21 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:28:21 +0200
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>

On 11/02/14 19:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have
>> NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor.
>
> They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. 
> They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time.
>

Well, that is as maybe. But then I've never had an urge to use the 
variable watcher.

In fact, for the first time ever, I have just looked at it.

What I don't understand is what the problem is if those $$$$-ery things 
are confined to the
variable watcher why they should be problem in the script editor qua 
script editor.

Richmond.



From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Feb 11 13:28:59 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 10:28:59 -0800
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA5ED5.6080301@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA5ED5.6080301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMJQTnk2v9k2uE=j4xL71hKuCvxtbujQk+1AX35bhtWLA@mail.gmail.com>

10041 and 11786

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would
> turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to
> be able to choose.
>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Feb 11 13:38:20 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:38:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com> <52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>

Ray...


This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, but no reason not to do it again.


Richmond...


WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????


The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:29 pm
Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables


On 11/02/14 19:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have
>> NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor.
>
> They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. 
> They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time.
>

Well, that is as maybe. But then I've never had an urge to use the 
variable watcher.

In fact, for the first time ever, I have just looked at it.

What I don't understand is what the problem is if those $$$$-ery things 
are confined to the
variable watcher why they should be problem in the script editor qua 
script editor.

Richmond.

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Feb 11 13:45:33 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:45:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com> <52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8D0F570947E85FA-295C-21854@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>

Richmond.


Sorry for earlier aghastness.


I find the system globals to be a distraction. Sometimes there are a dozen or more, depending on where I am in the session, and they begin the variable list. Certainly better if they were at the bottom, and this hack is possible, just as the hack from Thierry prevents their loading at all.


But when debugging, I want to see, usually, only my own variables. I hate scrolling down just to display my own portion of the list.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: dunbarx <dunbarx at aol.com>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables


Ray...


This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, but no 
reason not to do it again.


Richmond...


WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????


The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used "revXMLEndTree". 
But the debugger?


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:29 pm
Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables


On 11/02/14 19:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have
>> NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor.
>
> They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. 
> They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time.
>

Well, that is as maybe. But then I've never had an urge to use the 
variable watcher.

In fact, for the first time ever, I have just looked at it.

What I don't understand is what the problem is if those $$$$-ery things 
are confined to the
variable watcher why they should be problem in the script editor qua 
script editor.

Richmond.

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 13:58:58 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:58:58 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA72F2.4080106@LinkIt.Com>

Richmond,

Just out of curiosity, how do you debug scripts without using the 
variable watcher part of the script editor window?

Thanks,

Ray

On 2/11/2014 1:28 PM, Richmond wrote:
> On 11/02/14 19:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>> That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have
>>> NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor.
>>
>> They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor. 
>> They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time.
>>
>
> Well, that is as maybe. But then I've never had an urge to use the 
> variable watcher.
>
> In fact, for the first time ever, I have just looked at it.
>
> What I don't understand is what the problem is if those $$$$-ery 
> things are confined to the
> variable watcher why they should be problem in the script editor qua 
> script editor.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 13:59:16 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:59:16 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMJQTnk2v9k2uE=j4xL71hKuCvxtbujQk+1AX35bhtWLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>	<52FA5ED5.6080301@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eMJQTnk2v9k2uE=j4xL71hKuCvxtbujQk+1AX35bhtWLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA7304.8030405@LinkIt.Com>

Not sure what to make of this reply.

On 2/11/2014 1:28 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> 10041 and 11786
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
>
>> Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would
>> turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice to
>> be able to choose.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 14:02:01 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 14:02:01 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <8D0F570947E85FA-295C-21854@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<8D0F570947E85FA-295C-21854@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <52FA73A9.3080009@LinkIt.Com>

Craig,

Are you able to open a Rev UI back script or front script, edit it and 
then save it?  This is where I'm running into problems with the last two 
versions of LC.  I can't save anything because of 'permissions' errors 
on my Window 8 system, and my old work-around, to 'save as' and then 
replace the file on the desktop, now corrupts the installation.

Suggestions?

Thanks,

Ray

On 2/11/2014 1:45 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Richmond.
>
>
> Sorry for earlier aghastness.
>
>
> I find the system globals to be a distraction. Sometimes there are a dozen or more, depending on where I am in the session, and they begin the variable list. Certainly better if they were at the bottom, and this hack is possible, just as the hack from Thierry prevents their loading at all.
>
>
> But when debugging, I want to see, usually, only my own variables. I hate scrolling down just to display my own portion of the list.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dunbarx <dunbarx at aol.com>
> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:39 pm
> Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables
>
>
> Ray...
>
>
> This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, but no
> reason not to do it again.
>
>
> Richmond...
>
>
> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
>
>
> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used "revXMLEndTree".
> But the debugger?
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:29 pm
> Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables
>
>
> On 11/02/14 19:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> On 2/11/14, 7:19 AM, Richmond wrote:
>>> That is really wierd as after about 12 years of using Livecode I have
>>> NEVER seenanything like that in a script editor.
>> They are in the variable watcher at the bottom of the script editor.
>> They've been there ever since the beginning of LiveCode time.
>>
> Well, that is as maybe. But then I've never had an urge to use the
> variable watcher.
>
> In fact, for the first time ever, I have just looked at it.
>
> What I don't understand is what the problem is if those $$$$-ery things
> are confined to the
> variable watcher why they should be problem in the script editor qua
> script editor.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>   
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>   
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 14:03:52 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:03:52 +0200
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <52FA7418.3050108@gmail.com>

On 11/02/14 20:38, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Ray...
>
>
> This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, but no reason not to do it again.
>
>
> Richmond...
>
>
> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
>
>
> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>

My experience has been that when I run a script and it "throws a bluey" 
there's a 'nice' yllow blob that appears against the offending line.

That is enough for me.

Richmond.



From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 14:47:31 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 14:47:31 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA7418.3050108@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA7418.3050108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA7E53.5040703@LinkIt.Com>

Wouldn't that be a 'yellowey' :-)

On 2/11/2014 2:03 PM, Richmond wrote:
> On 11/02/14 20:38, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>> Ray...
>>
>>
>> This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, 
>> but no reason not to do it again.
>>
>>
>> Richmond...
>>
>>
>> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
>>
>>
>> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used 
>> "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>
> My experience has been that when I run a script and it "throws a 
> bluey" there's a 'nice' yllow blob that appears against the offending 
> line.
>
> That is enough for me.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 15:07:27 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:07:27 +0200
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA7E53.5040703@LinkIt.Com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>	<52FA7418.3050108@gmail.com>
	<52FA7E53.5040703@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <52FA82FF.5060807@gmail.com>

On 11/02/14 21:47, Ray wrote:
> Wouldn't that be a 'yellowey' :-)

NO:  http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/yellowy

Richmond.

>
> On 2/11/2014 2:03 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> On 11/02/14 20:38, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>>> Ray...
>>>
>>>
>>> This has been a topic, bugaboo and bug report (I think) for a while, 
>>> but no reason not to do it again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Richmond...
>>>
>>>
>>> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
>>>
>>>
>>> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used 
>>> "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My experience has been that when I run a script and it "throws a 
>> bluey" there's a 'nice' yllow blob that appears against the offending 
>> line.
>>
>> That is enough for me.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Feb 11 15:18:29 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:18:29 -0800
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA7304.8030405@LinkIt.Com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA5ED5.6080301@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eMJQTnk2v9k2uE=j4xL71hKuCvxtbujQk+1AX35bhtWLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA7304.8030405@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNjcksSMq9ZvDHAxtBDXJrKcrW+9=mnqDCFD8Khc+MN5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Those are the bug numbers related to this problem, in response to Jacque's
question, one of them is yours of course.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

> Not sure what to make of this reply.
>
> On 2/11/2014 1:28 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> 10041 and 11786
>>
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>  Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would
>>> turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice
>>> to
>>> be able to choose.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 11 15:24:43 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 14:24:43 -0600
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
>
>
> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?

I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program 
without the debugger?

Jaw dropped.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 15:27:33 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:27:33 +0200
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <52FA87B5.5070402@gmail.com>

On 11/02/14 22:24, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
>>
>>
>> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used 
>> "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?
>
> I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program 
> without the debugger?
>
> Jaw dropped.
>

Dunno. Managed it for about 39 years without one.

And RR/LC for the last 12 years.

As I said earlier: every time I run a script and it has a problem the 
scriptEditor opens up with a jolly yellow blob exactly where the problem is,
and I "piss about" until it stops doing that.

Richmond.



From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 15:30:39 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:30:39 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNjcksSMq9ZvDHAxtBDXJrKcrW+9=mnqDCFD8Khc+MN5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<8D0F55E83A79435-295C-20393@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>	<52FA5ED5.6080301@hyperactivesw.com>	<CAGDT7eMJQTnk2v9k2uE=j4xL71hKuCvxtbujQk+1AX35bhtWLA@mail.gmail.com>	<52FA7304.8030405@LinkIt.Com>
	<CAGDT7eNjcksSMq9ZvDHAxtBDXJrKcrW+9=mnqDCFD8Khc+MN5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FA886F.9010201@LinkIt.Com>

Thanks Pete - I didn't make the connection for some reason.

On 2/11/2014 3:18 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Those are the bug numbers related to this problem, in response to Jacque's
> question, one of them is yours of course.
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure what to make of this reply.
>>
>> On 2/11/2014 1:28 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>
>>> 10041 and 11786
>>>
>>> Pete
>>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:33 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>   Is there a feature request in the QCC asking for a preference that would
>>>> turn off the $ globals? They don't bother me much, but it would be nice
>>>> to
>>>> be able to choose.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>
>>>>   _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Feb 11 15:36:31 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:36:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA87B5.5070402@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com> <52FA87B5.5070402@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D0F5801445F160-295C-22770@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>

Richmond.


So if I see an egregious typo, like:


putt myVar into someOtherVar


then I do what you do.


But you never, really never, had to follow the contents of a variable while stepping through a script? Never mind when debugging due to an error, but rather just to see if your plan was sound?


I remember in the movie "Amadeus", when Salieri was told by Mozart's wife that he made no fair copies of his work, and Salieri, crushed, realized he simply wrote down "the music he heard in his head".


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables


On 11/02/14 22:24, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
>>
>>
>> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used 
>> "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?
>
> I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program 
> without the debugger?
>
> Jaw dropped.
>

Dunno. Managed it for about 39 years without one.

And RR/LC for the last 12 years.

As I said earlier: every time I run a script and it has a problem the 
scriptEditor opens up with a jolly yellow blob exactly where the problem is,
and I "piss about" until it stops doing that.

Richmond.

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From ray at linkit.com  Tue Feb 11 15:41:33 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:41:33 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <52FA8AFD.1060007@LinkIt.Com>

I find the way Richmond works kind of fascinating but I work more or 
less like Jackie does so I feel the script editor is at heart of writing 
software in Livecode.

With this in mind I've posted two bugs lately which will hopefully make 
it a little easier to get around.
    1/31/14, Bug #1176, LC Doesn't Remember Location and Size of Script 
Editor Window
    2/11/14, Bug #11786, Show Globals Preference Doesn't Work

On 2/11/2014 3:24 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
>>
>>
>> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used 
>> "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?
>
> I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program 
> without the debugger?
>
> Jaw dropped.
>




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 15:44:53 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:44:53 +0200
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <8D0F5801445F160-295C-22770@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>	<52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<52FA87B5.5070402@gmail.com>
	<8D0F5801445F160-295C-22770@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <52FA8BC5.6090506@gmail.com>

On 11/02/14 22:36, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Richmond.
>
>
> So if I see an egregious typo, like:
>
>
> putt myVar into someOtherVar
>
>
> then I do what you do.
>
>
> But you never, really never, had to follow the contents of a variable while stepping through a script? Never mind when debugging due to an error, but rather just to see if your plan was sound?

No, never. Mind you, I tend to model my scripts with children's toys, 
chess pieces, LEGO,
or any other things that come to hand all over the living-room carpet, 
the school table, or where-ever first of all.

I also do most of my programming in bed with a scrap of paper and a 
pencil within easy reach. About 6 months ago I got in a fight in a very 
posh restaurant where I had been invited for the wedding breakfast of my 
lawyer's nephew. The whole thing was well tedious, so, not having a book 
I got "fairly tanked" and started having mad ideas, and wrote them down 
all over the linen table-cloth (not having any paper with me): and 
finally got involved in an entertaining shouting match with the head 
waiter when he saw me taking photos of sections of the tablecloth with 
my mobile phone.

This stuff ended up getting rolled into a major rehash of my Devawriter 
program and meaning that my PISMO program was way more elegant in 
programming terms than Devawriter ever was.

Every time I try to do serious programming "from ground zero" on a 
computer I end up reading e-mail messages, farting around on Facebook, 
and generally getting distracted.

Richmond.

>
>
> I remember in the movie "Amadeus", when Salieri was told by Mozart's wife that he made no fair copies of his work, and Salieri, crushed, realized he simply wrote down "the music he heard in his head".
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:28 pm
> Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables
>
>
> On 11/02/14 22:24, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>>> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
>>>
>>>
>>> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used
>>> "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?
>> I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program
>> without the debugger?
>>
>> Jaw dropped.
>>
> Dunno. Managed it for about 39 years without one.
>
> And RR/LC for the last 12 years.
>
> As I said earlier: every time I run a script and it has a problem the
> scriptEditor opens up with a jolly yellow blob exactly where the problem is,
> and I "piss about" until it stops doing that.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>   
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Feb 11 15:46:30 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 12:46:30 -0800
Subject: Message path question
In-Reply-To: <52F98206.40806@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePbPhi+pq_2ix8rxK90GV1Ea6vLCu7ut2vxcsRSCRA1tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F98206.40806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO3eb_FQYtcHW8_A4o2RzQwRx=m=hEPPJoXVE51yH1A0A@mail.gmail.com>

All works as you predicted Richard.

I looked at the User Guide diagram and your excellent write up on the
message path before posting this question but the availability of back
scripts and libraries to other back scripts wasn't immediately obvious in
either place so thanks for the enlightenment.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>  All backscript and library handlers are available to all other
>>> backscripts
>>> and libraries.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks Richard.
>>
>> Just to be sure I understand this correctly, I already have a library
>> stack
>> in place for this application so if I put a "revHookPostSaveStack" handler
>> into it, it will be found when the rev backscript dispatches that message?
>>
>
> It should.  What happens when you try it?
>
>  Also, if I pass the message in my handler, will it be seen by other loaded
>> libraries with a handler for it?
>>
>
> It should.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 15:48:46 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:48:46 +0200
Subject: What is a .ric file?
Message-ID: <52FA8CAE.9080706@gmail.com>

Nosing around here: 
http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/

I found a lot of interesting files with the suffix .ric

I would be most grateful if someone could tell me what that signifies, 
and how to open
a .ric file in a meaningful way.

Richmond.



From jiml at netrin.com  Tue Feb 11 16:16:48 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:16:48 -0800
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3820.1392150636.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3820.1392150636.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9ECC9001-B23C-416C-8455-0F84A93D9065@netrin.com>

Jacque wrote:

> How in the world does one program 
> without the debugger?


Simple. Write flawless code on the first go.  ;)

Jim Lambert



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 11 16:18:44 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:18:44 -0600
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <9ECC9001-B23C-416C-8455-0F84A93D9065@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.3820.1392150636.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<9ECC9001-B23C-416C-8455-0F84A93D9065@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <52FA93B4.1070709@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/11/14, 3:16 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:
> Jacque wrote:
>
>> How in the world does one program
>> without the debugger?
>
>
> Simple. Write flawless code on the first go.  ;)

Oh, I meant how do other people do it. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From andrew at ctech.me  Tue Feb 11 17:10:55 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:10:55 -0600
Subject: St. Louis User Group
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft9YoUBN3POApA3Q0u-ZL+Jscy+Mpv7sjhxVThQMhKM_kQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've thought about doing it for a while and never had time. I know there
are at least a couple of livecoders on the fringes of the St. Louis, MO
area. After taking a new position recently where livecode isn't an everyday
kind of thing, I have the urge to find more things livecode in my spare
time. Is there any interest in a STL meetup or User Group for livecode?
I'll work on hosting and putting together the first one if I can get a
response off list or on.

-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 11 17:43:12 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 23:43:12 +0100
Subject: What is a .ric file?
In-Reply-To: <52FA8CAE.9080706@gmail.com>
References: <52FA8CAE.9080706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FAA780.9080400@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

I believe I saw some .rlc files on my Mac and I assumed these were 
"revolution license files".


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/11/2014 21:48, Richmond wrote:
> Nosing around here:
> http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/
>
> I found a lot of interesting files with the suffix .ric
>
> I would be most grateful if someone could tell me what that signifies,
> and how to open
> a .ric file in a meaningful way.
>
> Richmond.




From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Feb 11 18:14:46 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:14:46 -0800
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <8D0F5801445F160-295C-22770@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com> <52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com> <52FA87B5.5070402@gmail.com>
	<8D0F5801445F160-295C-22770@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePsrgEO0Ds3CbEztUi-xhYqT=PkaNd5P_GEqjbKDDTtYg@mail.gmail.com>

One way to see variable contents when in debug mode is to hover the mouse
over a variable name - a tooltip with its contents appears.  Only
discovered that a couple of weeks ago.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

> Richmond.
>
>
> So if I see an egregious typo, like:
>
>
> putt myVar into someOtherVar
>
>
> then I do what you do.
>
>
> But you never, really never, had to follow the contents of a variable
> while stepping through a script? Never mind when debugging due to an error,
> but rather just to see if your plan was sound?
>
>
> I remember in the movie "Amadeus", when Salieri was told by Mozart's wife
> that he made no fair copies of his work, and Salieri, crushed, realized he
> simply wrote down "the music he heard in his head".
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:28 pm
> Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables
>
>
> On 11/02/14 22:24, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> > On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> >> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
> >>
> >>
> >> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used
> >> "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?
> >
> > I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program
> > without the debugger?
> >
> > Jaw dropped.
> >
>
> Dunno. Managed it for about 39 years without one.
>
> And RR/LC for the last 12 years.
>
> As I said earlier: every time I run a script and it has a problem the
> scriptEditor opens up with a jolly yellow blob exactly where the problem
> is,
> and I "piss about" until it stops doing that.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 20:38:28 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:38:28 +1100
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>

Ender wrote:

> One cannot update the UI while pulling the content from the server. 

Er, yes you can. I'm doing it.

Here's a screencast of it in action:

http://quick.as/qyvjtr47

g






From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 20:45:17 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry Orkin)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:45:17 +1100
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>

And here it is with 2 files downloading concurrently:

http://quick.as/yn6aiq18

Gerry


On 12 Feb 2014, at 12:38 pm, Gerry Orkin <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ender wrote:
> 
>> One cannot update the UI while pulling the content from the server. 
> 
> Er, yes you can. I'm doing it.
> 
> Here's a screencast of it in action:
> 
> http://quick.as/qyvjtr47
> 
> g
> 
> 
> 




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Feb 11 21:39:11 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 02:39:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: diesel
Message-ID: <loom.20140212T033834-20@post.gmane.org>

Diesel's email is kaput again.
Just fyi, in case anyone cares.
I realize runrev doesn't.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Tue Feb 11 22:17:20 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 05:17:20 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>

Gerry hi,

Apparently I couldn?t express myself clearly,?
please excuse my lack of linguistic proficiency.

By *updating UI*, I didn?t mean giving visual feedback to the user, which I?m already using;
I meant responding to user?s interactions like tap, scroll, pinch, etc.
and act accordingly as opening a menu, scrolling the group, navigating to another card?

Here is a quick example:
https://vimeo.com/86476730

It?s password protected to keep non-Livecoders off.
Password is ?runrev?; without quotes, 6 chars, all lowercase.


Even it was a poor example and responding to user was in fact possible in this particular case;
the main reason why I opened this thread remains.

We, as a community, should decide which features are essential for us to help RunRev deciding their long term roadmap.

Definitions are important.
Right questions should be asked to get the right answers.


Best,

~ Ender



On February 12, 2014 at 3:46:33, Gerry Orkin (gerry.orkin at gmail.com) wrote:


And here it is with 2 files downloading concurrently:

http://quick.as/yn6aiq18

Gerry


On 12 Feb 2014, at 12:38 pm, Gerry Orkin <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ender wrote:
>
>> One cannot update the UI while pulling the content from the server.
>
> Er, yes you can. I'm doing it.
>
> Here's a screencast of it in action:
>
> http://quick.as/qyvjtr47
>
> g
>
>
>


_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Feb 11 23:15:59 2014
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 20:15:59 -0800
Subject: Android Test Won't Install
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3820.1392150636.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3820.1392150636.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7C75E74B-9DF7-4D74-ABA1-774F31802046@clearvisiontech.com>

Greetings!

I an clicking "Test" in the toolbar, like I always do to test to my Android devices.  However, suddenly, it seems to not be working.  It's going through all the steps but stopping on "Installing app on target device...".  I believe the phone (a GalaxyS3) was recently updated to Android 4.3.  Is there some setting I need to flip?  It device is appearing in the "Test Target" menu.  I have tried a number of versions of LiveCode, all react in the save manner.

I tried another Android device running 4.1.1 and it worked fine.

Any advice?

Thank you in advance,
-Dan


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 12 01:50:44 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 06:50:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: diesel
References: <loom.20140212T033834-20@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <loom.20140212T074506-808@post.gmane.org>

Actually, I see from the status page that *all* on-rev's servers are down.
Nice.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 02:07:52 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:07:52 +0200
Subject: What is a .ric file?
In-Reply-To: <52FAA780.9080400@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <52FA8CAE.9080706@gmail.com> <52FAA780.9080400@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <52FB1DC8.1050803@gmail.com>

On 12/02/14 00:43, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> I believe I saw some .rlc files on my Mac and I assumed these were 
> "revolution license files".
>
>

NOT ".rlc" but ".ric"

Richmond.

> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
> On 2/11/2014 21:48, Richmond wrote:
>> Nosing around here:
>> http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/
>>
>> I found a lot of interesting files with the suffix .ric
>>
>> I would be most grateful if someone could tell me what that signifies,
>> and how to open
>> a .ric file in a meaningful way.
>>
>> Richmond.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From john at splash21.com  Wed Feb 12 02:12:57 2014
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:12:57 +0000
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>

Have you tried 'load URL' on mobile? For non blocking downloads?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Feb 2014, at 03:17, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:
> 
> Gerry hi,
> 
> Apparently I couldn?t express myself clearly, 
> please excuse my lack of linguistic proficiency.
> 
> By *updating UI*, I didn?t mean giving visual feedback to the user, which I?m already using;
> I meant responding to user?s interactions like tap, scroll, pinch, etc.
> and act accordingly as opening a menu, scrolling the group, navigating to another card?
> 
> Here is a quick example:
> https://vimeo.com/86476730
> 
> It?s password protected to keep non-Livecoders off.
> Password is ?runrev?; without quotes, 6 chars, all lowercase.
> 
> 
> Even it was a poor example and responding to user was in fact possible in this particular case;
> the main reason why I opened this thread remains.
> 
> We, as a community, should decide which features are essential for us to help RunRev deciding their long term roadmap.
> 
> Definitions are important.
> Right questions should be asked to get the right answers.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~ Ender
> 
> 
> 
> On February 12, 2014 at 3:46:33, Gerry Orkin (gerry.orkin at gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> 
> And here it is with 2 files downloading concurrently:
> 
> http://quick.as/yn6aiq18
> 
> Gerry
> 
> 
>> On 12 Feb 2014, at 12:38 pm, Gerry Orkin <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ender wrote:
>> 
>>> One cannot update the UI while pulling the content from the server.
>> 
>> Er, yes you can. I'm doing it.
>> 
>> Here's a screencast of it in action:
>> 
>> http://quick.as/qyvjtr47
>> 
>> g
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 02:59:16 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:59:16 +0200
Subject: [OT] Classical Gas
Message-ID: <52FB29D4.40408@gmail.com>

I wonder if anyone can tell me which was the last version of RR/LC to 
have a version that ran on Mac OS 9?

Richmond.



From heather at runrev.com  Wed Feb 12 03:08:42 2014
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:08:42 +0000
Subject: [OT] Classical Gas
In-Reply-To: <52FB29D4.40408@gmail.com>
References: <52FB29D4.40408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12ABC6F8-A336-45B9-A02A-310F3B20E170@runrev.com>

I think that was 2.6.1.

:)

Regards,

Heather

On 12 Feb 2014, at 07:59, Richmond wrote:

> I wonder if anyone can tell me which was the last version of RR/LC to have a version that ran on Mac OS 9?
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
http://www.livecode.com/











From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 03:15:36 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:15:36 +0200
Subject: [OT] Classical Gas
In-Reply-To: <12ABC6F8-A336-45B9-A02A-310F3B20E170@runrev.com>
References: <52FB29D4.40408@gmail.com>
	<12ABC6F8-A336-45B9-A02A-310F3B20E170@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <52FB2DA8.20900@gmail.com>

On 12/02/14 10:08, Heather Laine wrote:
> I think that was 2.6.1.
>
> :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Heather
>
>

Thank you very much.

I have had a slightly odd online conversation with somebody running a 
school in Botswana
who was looking for a way to teach programming on some early iMacs 
running Mac OS 9.

Richmond.



From ray at linkit.com  Wed Feb 12 03:56:32 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 03:56:32 -0500
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePsrgEO0Ds3CbEztUi-xhYqT=PkaNd5P_GEqjbKDDTtYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>	<52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<52FA87B5.5070402@gmail.com>	<8D0F5801445F160-295C-22770@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<CAGDT7ePsrgEO0Ds3CbEztUi-xhYqT=PkaNd5P_GEqjbKDDTtYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FB3740.4010402@LinkIt.Com>

Hovering to get tool-tip style popups showing variable contents is 
something I've used for a while but it seems kind of finicky.  It 
usually takes a while, like a second or two, before the popup is 
displayed.  That wouldn't be so bad if it always worked, but sometimes 
you wait and wait and no popup ever gets displayed at all.

On 2/11/2014 6:14 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> One way to see variable contents when in debug mode is to hover the mouse
> over a variable name - a tooltip with its contents appears.  Only
> discovered that a couple of weeks ago.
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Richmond.
>>
>>
>> So if I see an egregious typo, like:
>>
>>
>> putt myVar into someOtherVar
>>
>>
>> then I do what you do.
>>
>>
>> But you never, really never, had to follow the contents of a variable
>> while stepping through a script? Never mind when debugging due to an error,
>> but rather just to see if your plan was sound?
>>
>>
>> I remember in the movie "Amadeus", when Salieri was told by Mozart's wife
>> that he made no fair copies of his work, and Salieri, crushed, realized he
>> simply wrote down "the music he heard in his head".
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:28 pm
>> Subject: Re: Dollar Sign Variables
>>
>>
>> On 11/02/14 22:24, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> On 2/11/14, 12:38 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>>>> WHAT!!??!!! WHAAAAT????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The first time? How, how is that possible? I have never used
>>>> "revXMLEndTree". But the debugger?
>>> I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program
>>> without the debugger?
>>>
>>> Jaw dropped.
>>>
>> Dunno. Managed it for about 39 years without one.
>>
>> And RR/LC for the last 12 years.
>>
>> As I said earlier: every time I run a script and it has a problem the
>> scriptEditor opens up with a jolly yellow blob exactly where the problem
>> is,
>> and I "piss about" until it stops doing that.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Wed Feb 12 05:47:38 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:47:38 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fb514f.74b0dc51.196@fdbqRetina.local>

Part 1:

I knew that this thread will turn into a technical help topic :/

Folks,?
please don?t get me wrong, my intention is far from being rude.
I?m not trying to solve a particular issue, here.
Check the subject line, please.

I know I?m the *new guy*?
and I?ve noticed that whenever someone relatively new to Livecode opens a somewhat criticizing topic?
either on forums or in this user-list,?
that thread is either ignored or gets away from its main focus quickly.

Let?s assume that I?m a lousy coder with an IQ of just 68
and the reason why that page in the video is not responding is totally my fault and lack of knowledge.

Does this change the topic?

I opened this thread to discuss what features are really, truly, objectively *essential*.

Does Livecode not need a revamped url library, modern limits for object sizes, an engine with enough horsepower for the year 2014 not for 2002?

Does Livecode not need multithreading, benefiting more from GPU?

Does Livecode not need those features *more* than pluggable themes and resolution independence?

Which ones are more important for a modern development environment?



~ to be continued...


From endernafi at keehuna.com  Wed Feb 12 05:48:58 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:48:58 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>

Part 2:

These are not my subjective opinions;
look at this table:?http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
Where is Livecode?
I want to see Livecode, there; I honestly do.
And I?m willing to do anything I can to put Livecode into that page.

EDIT just before posting the message:?
~~~
I?ve shared that link 2 months ago, back then Xojo/RealBasic wasn?t among the 100 list.
Now, it?s there. The last one. Xojo made its way through. Excellent, just excellent. [:sarcasm:]
And we have pluggable themes :/
~~~

Nobody can blame RunRev the team, they are trying to stay alive in a very competitive environment.
So they are willingly or involuntarily been directed to a path their customers choose.
We want a feature, they?re trying to provide.
Nobody wants that feature, they even don?t notice the need.


This is my business; I?ve built a brand new company two years ago
and I pay my rent and bills and salaries of my co-workers thanks to Livecode.
And I earned enough money to live for past two years.
But you know what?
I have lost 4 times more in value than I?ve earned because of those issues up there.

* 7 different projects and counting because of 32000pixels group size limit
People want to see new content loading as soon as they scroll to end; nobody wants pagination.

* 9 different *casual* game projects.?
How casual? One of them is a nice clone of this:?https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pinch-peeps/id513847077?mt=8
One of them has just two big turntables, kinda slot machine game.
If I could rotate those tables without wiggling and some minor animations at the same time, I could have get that project.

* A big, big government project because of the lack of camera feed overlay, it should be an augmented reality app, very simple one.
How about this toddler:
Camera feed with physics->?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAEjugyQF-A
Real time filters ->?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxMXOrCoMcI
Yes, Corona is just a toddler compared to the deep roots of Livecode and experience of RunRev team.


I could go on but I think I made my point.


What I?m doing now?
I?ve hired a young and sharp fella.
His only job is getting better in Xcode and learning Corona SDK
by replicating current Livecode projects alongside us.
That?s the sole reason why I?m paying to him.
When he?s proficient enough, I?ll transition to those development environments.

The future is in mobile, clear as day.
Either Apple or Android or Tizen or Google Glass or whatever brand-new platform which will emerge.

I just can?t afford losing anymore projects.


Kindest Regards,

~ Ender


P.S.:
By the way, if anyone curious what kind of apps I make, check this customer of mine:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bitkipark/id811160341?mt=8
Just the linked one is ours; others were outsourced to another company and I?ll remake them in a couple of months.
The apps are in Turkish,?
but since we use Latin alphabet?
and most words resemble to english counterparts like Web, Adres {Address} or Favori {Favorite}
you won?t face a problem navigating through.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 06:38:41 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:38:41 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fb514f.74b0dc51.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb514f.74b0dc51.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FB5D41.5080100@gmail.com>

On 12/02/14 12:47, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:
> Part 1:
>
> I knew that this thread will turn into a technical help topic :/
>
> Folks,
> please don?t get me wrong, my intention is far from being rude.
> I?m not trying to solve a particular issue, here.
> Check the subject line, please.
>
> I know I?m the *new guy*
> and I?ve noticed that whenever someone relatively new to Livecode opens a somewhat criticizing topic
> either on forums or in this user-list,
> that thread is either ignored or gets away from its main focus quickly.
>
> Let?s assume that I?m a lousy coder with an IQ of just 68
> and the reason why that page in the video is not responding is totally my fault and lack of knowledge.
>
> Does this change the topic?
>
> I opened this thread to discuss what features are really, truly, objectively *essential*.

What does "objectively" mean? I have yet to see anything "objective" 
except stones on the beach.

>
> Does Livecode not need a revamped url library, modern limits for object sizes, an engine with enough horsepower for the year 2014 not for 2002?
>
> Does Livecode not need multithreading, benefiting more from GPU?
>
> Does Livecode not need those features *more* than pluggable themes and resolution independence?

It depends who you ask.

There is no single answer. After all; my Livecode and your Livecode are 
already 2 different Livecodes: what about all the others ?
>
> Which ones are more important for a modern development environment?
>
>
>
> ~ to be continued...
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Feb 12 07:06:47 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:06:47 +0100
Subject: [OT] question about stackoverflow - why was my posting deleted
Message-ID: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

on the 6th  i posted a comment to the following question

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21612867/when-i-try-to-export-my-app-in-live-code-it-comes-up-with-an-error-message

My answer was:
Runrev offers many tutorials. There are also some about mobile development. I would suggest you try the following tutorial first

How do i become an iOS developer (this line was a link to tutorial.)

On the 8th my post was deleted. But even after reading the description for "why was my post deleted. See the help center",
i am not sure why it was deleted.

Was my post not appropriate?

It would be nice if someone could explain. I want to avoid that my future post are also deleted. 


Regards,

Matthias
Matthias Rebbe




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 12 07:22:21 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:22:21 +0100
Subject: [OT] question about stackoverflow - why was my posting deleted
In-Reply-To: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <52FB677D.3030006@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Matthias,

Your answer wasn't a direct answer to the question. Questions on SO 
should ask for a direct solution and answers should contain a direct 
solution.

Answers like "you should read this" have a very high probability of 
being deleted. Posting links, for a purpose other than mentioning the 
original source of the answer, make deletion almost certain.

SO wants to be an independent source, where you can find all answers 
without having to go to another website. In this respect, SO is even 
more strict than Wikipedia.

Don't worry. This happens all the time. It is just how SO works.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/12/2014 13:06, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> on the 6th  i posted a comment to the following question
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21612867/when-i-try-to-export-my-app-in-live-code-it-comes-up-with-an-error-message
>
> My answer was:
> Runrev offers many tutorials. There are also some about mobile development. I would suggest you try the following tutorial first
>
> How do i become an iOS developer (this line was a link to tutorial.)
>
> On the 8th my post was deleted. But even after reading the description for "why was my post deleted. See the help center",
> i am not sure why it was deleted.
>
> Was my post not appropriate?
>
> It would be nice if someone could explain. I want to avoid that my future post are also deleted.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
> Matthias Rebbe
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Feb 12 07:26:30 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:26:30 +0100
Subject: [OT] question about stackoverflow - why was my posting deleted
In-Reply-To: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <44F3FE10-CC91-4372-BC87-838B753A212C@major-k.de>

Hi Matthias,

Am 12.02.2014 um 13:06 schrieb Matthias Rebbe <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>:

> Hi,
> 
> on the 6th  i posted a comment to the following question
> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21612867/when-i-try-to-export-my-app-in-live-code-it-comes-up-with-an-error-message
> 
> My answer was:
> Runrev offers many tutorials. There are also some about mobile development. I would suggest you try the following tutorial first
> How do i become an iOS developer (this line was a link to tutorial.)
> On the 8th my post was deleted. But even after reading the description for "why was my post deleted. See the help center",
> i am not sure why it was deleted.
> Was my post not appropriate?
> It would be nice if someone could explain. I want to avoid that my future post are also deleted. 

let's see how long Bens identical answer will "stick" there (copied from that SO page a minute ago):
..........................................................................................................................................................
This tutorial shows should help:

http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/2571/l/23275-how-do-i-become-an-ios-developer

answered yesterday
Benjamin Beaumont
............................................................................................................................................................
:-D

> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> Matthias Rebbe

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 07:28:38 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:28:38 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>

On 12/02/14 12:48, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:
> Part 2:
>
> These are not my subjective opinions;
> look at this table: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

No; they are not your subjective opinions; they are somebody else's 
subjective opinions, which they are trying
to palm off as objective.

As soon as I see the word "Standard" I start be asking these sorts of 
questions:

1. How 'standardised' is this 'standard' (i.e. how many reputable bodies 
acknowledge and adhere to it) ?

2. How well qualified are the would-be standardisers who have prepared 
this 'standard' (and by 'qualified' I don't necessarily
mean bits of paper from institutions, that can also cover experience and 
so on) ?

For instance, the Unicode standard is a well-established standard 
developed by very many well-qualified people
and backed up by a very large number of people, institutions and 
computer systems.

Notwithstanding how standardised the Unicode standard has become, that 
does not mean that we can use the word 'objective'
anywhere near it.

For the sake or argument: the TIOBE ratings are NOT ratings of use of 
ALL the programming languages/packages that are available,
they are ratings for a set of programming languages/packets that the 
TIOBE people have decided to track. Therefore the TIOBE ratings
are only useful if one wants to compare the members of that set.

"The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, 
courses and third party vendors. "

Wait a minute. What does "skilled engineers" mean? Talk about 'subjective'.

Courses; hmm; I taught Livecode to 10 Primary-level Bulgarians over 6 
weeks last Summer: does that constitute a course, or just a
few loosely structured lessons?

Third Party Vendors: why does that pop a progging lanuage further up the 
ratings? There could be 25 third party vendors selling
RC (RichmondCard; "the programming language of yesterday, today") and 
nobody is buying the thing, while Runtime Revolution has, as far as I'm 
aware, 2 third party vendors; Mirye and something in China, but their 
sales could be vast; and mainly directly from them!

"Popular search engines such as Google, Bing, Yahoo!, Wikipedia, Amazon, 
YouTube and Baidu are used to calculate the ratings."

I am a single programmer; but if I manage to pump out 1,000,000 mentions 
of my work with the name of the progging language
I use in a month that will show up as much higher than the company down 
the road that employs 1,000 programmers who have
almost no web-presence at all.
> Where is Livecode?
> I want to see Livecode, there; I honestly do.
> And I?m willing to do anything I can to put Livecode into that page.
>
> EDIT just before posting the message:
> ~~~
> I?ve shared that link 2 months ago, back then Xojo/RealBasic wasn?t among the 100 list.
> Now, it?s there. The last one. Xojo made its way through. Excellent, just excellent. [:sarcasm:]
> And we have pluggable themes :/
> ~~~
>
> Nobody can blame RunRev the team, they are trying to stay alive in a very competitive environment.

NO one should not blame the RunRev team; I have a feeling that they are 
well aware of what rubbish rating tend to be.

> So they are willingly or involuntarily been directed to a path their customers choose.
> We want a feature, they?re trying to provide.
> Nobody wants that feature, they even don?t notice the need.
>
>
> This is my business; I?ve built a brand new company two years ago
> and I pay my rent and bills and salaries of my co-workers thanks to Livecode.
> And I earned enough money to live for past two years.
> But you know what?
> I have lost 4 times more in value than I?ve earned because of those issues up there.
>
> * 7 different projects and counting because of 32000pixels group size limit
> People want to see new content loading as soon as they scroll to end; nobody wants pagination.
>
> * 9 different *casual* game projects.
> How casual? One of them is a nice clone of this: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pinch-peeps/id513847077?mt=8
> One of them has just two big turntables, kinda slot machine game.
> If I could rotate those tables without wiggling and some minor animations at the same time, I could have get that project.
>
> * A big, big government project because of the lack of camera feed overlay, it should be an augmented reality app, very simple one.
> How about this toddler:
> Camera feed with physics-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAEjugyQF-A
> Real time filters -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxMXOrCoMcI
> Yes, Corona is just a toddler compared to the deep roots of Livecode and experience of RunRev team.
>
>
> I could go on but I think I made my point.
>
>
> What I?m doing now?
> I?ve hired a young and sharp fella.
> His only job is getting better in Xcode and learning Corona SDK
> by replicating current Livecode projects alongside us.
> That?s the sole reason why I?m paying to him.
> When he?s proficient enough, I?ll transition to those development environments.
>
> The future is in mobile, clear as day.
> Either Apple or Android or Tizen or Google Glass or whatever brand-new platform which will emerge.
>
> I just can?t afford losing anymore projects.
>
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> ~ Ender
>
>

So, before jumping up and going "Woof, Woof" in such a way, it is 
perhaps not a bad thing to think about what word such as 'objective',
'standard' and 'ratings' mean.

After all; something programmed by Visual Basic (top of TIOBE for 
February) is NOT being used to control a robot merrily pottering around
on the planet Mars gather data: but Livecode IS. To my mind that is 
hugely significant; much more than the fact that VB is "top of the pops";
and I listen to the Lennerockers not to Beyonce, Lady Gaga or another 
"chart topper"; and the Lennerockers really say it best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9yCW_0bFwI

"Far from the charts, doing what we love, and loving what we do"

Richmond.



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Feb 12 07:32:16 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:32:16 +0100
Subject: [OT] question about stackoverflow - why was my posting deleted
In-Reply-To: <52FB677D.3030006@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>
	<52FB677D.3030006@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <F547AAF6-0B49-414E-9A26-A9C50D52AFFD@m-r-d.de>

Hi Mark,

thanks for explaining. 
Then i think i will not waste anymore time with posting to SO.

Regards,

Matthias
Am 12.02.2014 um 13:22 schrieb Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>:

> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Your answer wasn't a direct answer to the question. Questions on SO should ask for a direct solution and answers should contain a direct solution.
> 
> Answers like "you should read this" have a very high probability of being deleted. Posting links, for a purpose other than mentioning the original source of the answer, make deletion almost certain.
> 
> SO wants to be an independent source, where you can find all answers without having to go to another website. In this respect, SO is even more strict than Wikipedia.
> 
> Don't worry. This happens all the time. It is just how SO works.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
> 
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
> 
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> 
> On 2/12/2014 13:06, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> on the 6th  i posted a comment to the following question
>> 
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21612867/when-i-try-to-export-my-app-in-live-code-it-comes-up-with-an-error-message
>> 
>> My answer was:
>> Runrev offers many tutorials. There are also some about mobile development. I would suggest you try the following tutorial first
>> 
>> How do i become an iOS developer (this line was a link to tutorial.)
>> 
>> On the 8th my post was deleted. But even after reading the description for "why was my post deleted. See the help center",
>> i am not sure why it was deleted.
>> 
>> Was my post not appropriate?
>> 
>> It would be nice if someone could explain. I want to avoid that my future post are also deleted.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



Matthias Rebbe





From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Feb 12 07:35:25 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:35:25 +0100
Subject: [OT] question about stackoverflow - why was my posting deleted
In-Reply-To: <44F3FE10-CC91-4372-BC87-838B753A212C@major-k.de>
References: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>
	<44F3FE10-CC91-4372-BC87-838B753A212C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <39B026A1-E643-41CE-841F-40B4F6162707@m-r-d.de>


Yes, that were my same thoughts when i read Mark?s explanations. ;)

I saw Ben?s post this morning and was wondering why my post was deleted.

Let?s hope that at least the original poster has either read mine or Ben?s post.

Matthias

Am 12.02.2014 um 13:26 schrieb Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de>:

> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Am 12.02.2014 um 13:06 schrieb Matthias Rebbe <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> on the 6th  i posted a comment to the following question
>> 
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21612867/when-i-try-to-export-my-app-in-live-code-it-comes-up-with-an-error-message
>> 
>> My answer was:
>> Runrev offers many tutorials. There are also some about mobile development. I would suggest you try the following tutorial first
>> How do i become an iOS developer (this line was a link to tutorial.)
>> On the 8th my post was deleted. But even after reading the description for "why was my post deleted. See the help center",
>> i am not sure why it was deleted.
>> Was my post not appropriate?
>> It would be nice if someone could explain. I want to avoid that my future post are also deleted. 
> 
> let's see how long Bens identical answer will "stick" there (copied from that SO page a minute ago):
> ..........................................................................................................................................................
> This tutorial shows should help:
> 
> http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/2571/l/23275-how-do-i-become-an-ios-developer
> 
> answered yesterday
> Benjamin Beaumont
> ............................................................................................................................................................
> :-D
> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> Matthias Rebbe
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



Matthias Rebbe





From endernafi at keehuna.com  Wed Feb 12 07:48:43 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:48:43 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>

Woof, woof?
Richmond, really?
Jumping up and woof, woof?

If I understand wrong, then no need to read the rest, just ignore it;

but IF I am the target of that statement,
you should know that calling someone as a dog is a very, very, VERY, VERY harsh, petty, offensive insult in my language & culture.

I didn?t insult or directly target any member of this user list, neither personally or generally.

Maybe you should learn some manners?



~ Ender


From:?Richmond Richmond
Reply:?Richmond richmondmathewson at gmail.com
Date:?February 12, 2014 at 14:30:25
To:?How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:? Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials  
So, before jumping up and going "Woof, Woof" in such a way, it is?
perhaps not a bad thing to think about what word such as 'objective',
'standard' and 'ratings' mean.

From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 12 08:17:39 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:17:39 +0100
Subject: [OT] question about stackoverflow - why was my posting deleted
In-Reply-To: <44F3FE10-CC91-4372-BC87-838B753A212C@major-k.de>
References: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>
	<44F3FE10-CC91-4372-BC87-838B753A212C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <52FB7473.2020204@economy-x-talk.com>

Klaus and Matthias,

It is gone ;-)

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/12/2014 13:26, Klaus major-k wrote:
> Hi Matthias,
>
> Am 12.02.2014 um 13:06 schrieb Matthias Rebbe <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> on the 6th  i posted a comment to the following question
>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21612867/when-i-try-to-export-my-app-in-live-code-it-comes-up-with-an-error-message
>>
>> My answer was:
>> Runrev offers many tutorials. There are also some about mobile development. I would suggest you try the following tutorial first
>> How do i become an iOS developer (this line was a link to tutorial.)
>> On the 8th my post was deleted. But even after reading the description for "why was my post deleted. See the help center",
>> i am not sure why it was deleted.
>> Was my post not appropriate?
>> It would be nice if someone could explain. I want to avoid that my future post are also deleted.
>
> let's see how long Bens identical answer will "stick" there (copied from that SO page a minute ago):
> ..........................................................................................................................................................
> This tutorial shows should help:
>
> http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/2571/l/23275-how-do-i-become-an-ios-developer
>
> answered yesterday
> Benjamin Beaumont
> ............................................................................................................................................................
> :-D
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthias
>> Matthias Rebbe
>
> Best
>
> Klaus




From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Feb 12 08:22:46 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:22:46 -0500
Subject: What is a .ric file?
In-Reply-To: <52FB1DC8.1050803@gmail.com>
References: <52FA8CAE.9080706@gmail.com> <52FAA780.9080400@economy-x-talk.com>
	<52FB1DC8.1050803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXMwvkD0Lvy4NSwRsuhF0b3wG6BDVPu6Vf-LQfMPKTJaRA@mail.gmail.com>

A little google told me...

http://pc.net/extensions/file/ric
 On Feb 12, 2014 2:08 AM, "Richmond" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/02/14 00:43, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
>> Hi Richmond,
>>
>> I believe I saw some .rlc files on my Mac and I assumed these were
>> "revolution license files".
>>
>>
>>
> NOT ".rlc" but ".ric"
>
> Richmond.
>
>  --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other
>> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>>
>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
>> http://qery.us/3fi
>>
>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>
>> On 2/11/2014 21:48, Richmond wrote:
>>
>>> Nosing around here:
>>> http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/
>>>
>>> I found a lot of interesting files with the suffix .ric
>>>
>>> I would be most grateful if someone could tell me what that signifies,
>>> and how to open
>>> a .ric file in a meaningful way.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Feb 12 08:25:32 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:25:32 +0100
Subject: What is a .ric file?
In-Reply-To: <52FB1DC8.1050803@gmail.com>
References: <52FA8CAE.9080706@gmail.com> <52FAA780.9080400@economy-x-talk.com>
	<52FB1DC8.1050803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FB764C.9000109@economy-x-talk.com>

OK, then I don't know, Richmond. Perhaps you post a direct link to such 
a file?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/12/2014 08:07, Richmond wrote:
> On 12/02/14 00:43, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> Hi Richmond,
>>
>> I believe I saw some .rlc files on my Mac and I assumed these were
>> "revolution license files".
>>
>>
>
> NOT ".rlc" but ".ric"
>
> Richmond.
>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other
>> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>>
>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
>> http://qery.us/3fi
>>
>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>
>> On 2/11/2014 21:48, Richmond wrote:
>>> Nosing around here:
>>> http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/
>>>
>>> I found a lot of interesting files with the suffix .ric
>>>
>>> I would be most grateful if someone could tell me what that signifies,
>>> and how to open
>>> a .ric file in a meaningful way.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>
>>



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 08:31:26 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:31:26 +0200
Subject: What is a .ric file?
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXMwvkD0Lvy4NSwRsuhF0b3wG6BDVPu6Vf-LQfMPKTJaRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52FA8CAE.9080706@gmail.com>
	<52FAA780.9080400@economy-x-talk.com>	<52FB1DC8.1050803@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXMwvkD0Lvy4NSwRsuhF0b3wG6BDVPu6Vf-LQfMPKTJaRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FB77AE.9000008@gmail.com>

On 12/02/14 15:22, Roger Eller wrote:
> A little google told me...

Well; I've had Ricoh fax files, and now LEGO..

I don't think either of them will do:

Here's a direct link: 
http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/2.7.0-gm-1/full/resources.ric

Richmond.

>
> http://pc.net/extensions/file/ric
>   On Feb 12, 2014 2:08 AM, "Richmond" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/02/14 00:43, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Richmond,
>>>
>>> I believe I saw some .rlc files on my Mac and I assumed these were
>>> "revolution license files".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> NOT ".rlc" but ".ric"
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>>   --
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>
>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>
>>> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other
>>> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>>>
>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
>>> http://qery.us/3fi
>>>
>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>
>>> On 2/11/2014 21:48, Richmond wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nosing around here:
>>>> http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/
>>>>
>>>> I found a lot of interesting files with the suffix .ric
>>>>
>>>> I would be most grateful if someone could tell me what that signifies,
>>>> and how to open
>>>> a .ric file in a meaningful way.
>>>>
>>>> Richmond.
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Feb 12 08:49:08 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:49:08 -0500
Subject: What is a .ric file?
In-Reply-To: <52FB77AE.9000008@gmail.com>
References: <52FA8CAE.9080706@gmail.com> <52FAA780.9080400@economy-x-talk.com>
	<52FB1DC8.1050803@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXMwvkD0Lvy4NSwRsuhF0b3wG6BDVPu6Vf-LQfMPKTJaRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FB77AE.9000008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXP+_T4=4r+dB-MYy+jLLms8o=zn_KA+KgTxLb-Nfdzjtw@mail.gmail.com>

In that case, judging by the path, and the fact that the file is binary, I
suspect that only RunRev can tell you for sure what it does.

~Roger
On Feb 12, 2014 8:33 AM, "Richmond" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/02/14 15:22, Roger Eller wrote:
>
>> A little google told me...
>>
>
> Well; I've had Ricoh fax files, and now LEGO..
>
> I don't think either of them will do:
>
> Here's a direct link: http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/
> enterprise/2.7.0-gm-1/full/resources.ric
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>> http://pc.net/extensions/file/ric
>>   On Feb 12, 2014 2:08 AM, "Richmond" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On 12/02/14 00:43, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Richmond,
>>>>
>>>> I believe I saw some .rlc files on my Mac and I assumed these were
>>>> "revolution license files".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  NOT ".rlc" but ".ric"
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>>   --
>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>
>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>
>>>> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other
>>>> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
>>>>
>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
>>>> http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>
>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>
>>>> On 2/11/2014 21:48, Richmond wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Nosing around here:
>>>>> http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/
>>>>>
>>>>> I found a lot of interesting files with the suffix .ric
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be most grateful if someone could tell me what that signifies,
>>>>> and how to open
>>>>> a .ric file in a meaningful way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richmond.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From endernafi at keehuna.com  Wed Feb 12 08:54:27 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:54:27 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <52FB76E3.5030906@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FB76E3.5030906@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fb7d13.216231b.196@fdbqRetina.local>

Against my intentions and alongside my predictions,
this thread got far away from its subject.

I sincerely apologize for that.

I study Objective-C with my fellow co-worker when I?m able to find time
and I can?t desist from thinking that how an inefficient language it is.
Livecode with its simplicity yet power deserves more popularity.
Popularity brings money, money brings resources as time and developer count,?
resources bring a more sophisticated development environment.
I don?t listen Beyonce, either; I?m a long-time Corelli fan ;-)


Also, Richmond is right about many -not all, in my opinion, but many- things.
Especially about the definitions of ?standard? and ?objective vs subjective?.



Kindest Regards,

~ Ender

From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Feb 12 09:07:05 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:07:05 -0500
Subject: Android Test Won't Install
In-Reply-To: <7C75E74B-9DF7-4D74-ABA1-774F31802046@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <mailman.3820.1392150636.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<7C75E74B-9DF7-4D74-ABA1-774F31802046@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXMKeJKtop-HSLteYiKWJhuHzbLD=FG4ZzSA9KvN3TzimA@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried to be build for the highest version possible (3.1 and above)?

By the way, it is starting to bug me that we can't choose higher versions
than Honeycomb, which is so old now.  Runrev updates those choices for iOS,
but Android is being left behind, again.

~Roger
On Feb 11, 2014 11:17 PM, "Dan Friedman" <dan at clearvisiontech.com> wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> I an clicking "Test" in the toolbar, like I always do to test to my
> Android devices.  However, suddenly, it seems to not be working.  It's
> going through all the steps but stopping on "Installing app on target
> device...".  I believe the phone (a GalaxyS3) was recently updated to
> Android 4.3.  Is there some setting I need to flip?  It device is appearing
> in the "Test Target" menu.  I have tried a number of versions of LiveCode,
> all react in the save manner.
>
> I tried another Android device running 4.1.1 and it worked fine.
>
> Any advice?
>
> Thank you in advance,
> -Dan
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Feb 12 09:54:51 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:54:51 +0100
Subject: [OT] question about stackoverflow - why was my posting deleted
In-Reply-To: <52FB7473.2020204@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>
	<44F3FE10-CC91-4372-BC87-838B753A212C@major-k.de>
	<52FB7473.2020204@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <112065A0-8F5E-41BB-8FA5-86CA0850FD8D@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

Am 12.02.2014 um 14:17 schrieb Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>:

> Klaus and Matthias,
> 
> It is gone ;-)

yep, no further comment... ;-)

>>> ...
>>> on the 6th  i posted a comment to the following question
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21612867/when-i-try-to-export-my-app-in-live-code-it-comes-up-with-an-error-message
>>> My answer was:
>>> Runrev offers many tutorials. There are also some about mobile development. I would suggest you try the following tutorial first
>>> How do i become an iOS developer (this line was a link to tutorial.)
>>> On the 8th my post was deleted. But even after reading the description for "why was my post deleted. See the help center",
>>> i am not sure why it was deleted.
>>> Was my post not appropriate?
>>> It would be nice if someone could explain. I want to avoid that my future post are also deleted.
>> let's see how long Bens identical answer will "stick" there (copied from that SO page a minute ago):
>> ..........................................................................................................................................................
>> This tutorial shows should help:
>> 
>> http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/2571/l/23275-how-do-i-become-an-ios-developer
>> 
>> answered yesterday
>> Benjamin Beaumont

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 12 09:58:54 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 06:58:54 -0800
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fb514f.74b0dc51.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fb514f.74b0dc51.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FB8C2E.2050204@fourthworld.com>

Ender Nafi asked:

 > Does Livecode not need a revamped url library

It does indeed, on the Roap Map under "Queued".

 > modern limits for object sizes

Current object sizes go up to about 32' - how big do you need them?

 > an engine with enough horsepower for the year 2014 not for 2002?

Always a fan of performance boosts, but to move that forward let's look 
at the areas of greatest interest:  what would you like to see faster, 
text manipulation, math, object rendering, or something else?

 > Does Livecode not need multithreading, benefiting more from GPU?

At the engine level perhaps through compiler optimization.  But we've 
been protected from most race conditions in xTalk thus far, so while I 
like the idea of threading we need both a clean syntax proposal for 
managing the thread overhead and strong learning materials so folks 
don't just run off and start using them without the sort of deeper 
planning thread work benefits from, wondering why nothing is happening 
in the order they'd anticipated.

 > Does Livecode not need those features *more* than pluggable themes
 > and resolution independence?

The latter is done, no?  And I believe pluggable themes are in development.

 > Which ones are more important for a modern development environment?

Each of them, depending on who you ask. :)  Many of these are in 
development now, while there are some aspects we can contribute to:

- What tasks would we like to see performance gains with first?

- What would a syntax for threading look like?


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Feb 12 10:05:29 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:05:29 -0500
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG-nrADpn66LOMzmHqBL+S_hhGcxD+FNbedmf65BjbSZxg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ender,

Thanks for bringing up this discussion. Clearly you want the best for
LiveCode and that is good. Having discussions on what is "most important"
can often be frustrating as everyone has different experiences and
opinions. Just a couple of things I would like to mention after having read
through your messages. I'm trying to speak directly to your original point
about "pet" vs. "essential" features and helping RunRev decide what to
focus on.

My understanding is that you don't want the details of what can or can't be
done to water down your main point. Hence the frustration when people
mention workarounds or suggest you are doing something incorrectly. While
understandable, when you use specific examples to buttress your argument
then I think it is fair that people question you if they have had a
different experience.

In addition, the discussion is about deciding which features RunRev should
be working on and which they shouldn't. When an argument is being made that
a tool absolutely needs a feature because it can't do X or Y then I don't
think it is unreasonable for people to question whether or not X or Y
really can or can't be done.

For example, you mention that resolution independence can be addressed by
the developer and that the 32,000 pixel limit is keeping you from getting
projects. My experience is the exact opposite. There is no way for me to
work around all of the resolution independence issues in LiveCode (Mac and
Windows) but I've been working around the 32,000 pixel limit for years.
Originally I used the data grid. Now I have a newer control that is more
flexible and has been optimized. I can gradually load in records from the
web without having to resort to pagination. (One tangent we could go down
here is how hard it is to share and maintain custom controls with the
community in LiveCode.)

In recent memory, I've only had one 32,000 pixel issue that I couldn't work
around. The other day a customer sent in an error report because my app
choked on an image that was 41,584 pixels high. It was a large web page he
had taken a screen capture of. He wasn't surprised it didn't work and when
I went to create an image in Photoshop to test with Photoshop warned me the
image might not work in other apps.

Do I want the 32,000 limit removed? Of course I do. But it isn't a
show-stopper for me. Resolution independence on the other hand is a big
deal (to me). We are different developers with different (immediate) needs.
Your pet need may be my essential and vice-versa.

One other issue you brought up was the URL library. If I read correctly,
you are saying that an updated URL library isn't on RunRev's radar. But a
reworked URL and socket library is part of the roadmap. It is currently
listed under the queue at http://livecode.com/community/roadmap/. I'm
looking forward to this as much as anyone. I've spent more time then I
would have liked working on, and around the URL functionality in LiveCode
for over 10 years now.

So what is my point? I think the purpose of your post is a great one (how
the community can help RunRev focus on what is most important). But perhaps
taking a hard line on specific features should be done outside of the
primary discussion so that people don't get lost in the specifics while a
framework for thinking about the problem is still being worked on. My
impression is that it just dilutes the message.

If you think you can help RunRev better focus their resources, my
suggestion would be to come up with a system for collecting, categorizing,
and managing these features first. Then you can start trying to determine
what should be considered pet vs. essential.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 12 10:05:47 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:05:47 -0800
Subject: [OT] question about stackoverflow - why was my posting deleted
In-Reply-To: <F547AAF6-0B49-414E-9A26-A9C50D52AFFD@m-r-d.de>
References: <F547AAF6-0B49-414E-9A26-A9C50D52AFFD@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <52FB8DCB.1060606@fourthworld.com>

Matthias Rebbe wrote:

> Then i think i will not waste anymore time with posting to SO.

SO has its place, but it's a unique place, with unique expectations of 
the contributions there.

That's why I feel it's a great compliment to the other venues we have 
for sharing LiveCode knowledge, but not a replacement for any of them. 
Each has their own strengths and weaknesses, each their own merits.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 12 10:13:27 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:13:27 -0800
Subject: What is a .ric file?
In-Reply-To: <52FB77AE.9000008@gmail.com>
References: <52FB77AE.9000008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FB8F97.2040703@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

> Here's a direct link:
> http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/2.7.0-gm-1/full/resources.ric

It's an encrypted LC stack, and it's from several years ago, for a 
version they no longer have ("Enterprise").

More interesting to me than what RunRev used it for is why you find it 
interesting in 2014?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 12 10:18:33 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:18:33 -0800
Subject: diesel
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140212T074506-808@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140212T074506-808@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <52FB90C9.5060606@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

 > Actually, I see from the status page that *all* on-rev's servers are
 > down.
 > Nice.

It shows "OK" across the board for me:
<http://on-rev.com/support/server-status/>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Feb 12 10:42:27 2014
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:42:27 -0800
Subject: Android Test Won't Install
Message-ID: <992E0090-819D-420C-8757-F5753722C929@clearvisiontech.com>

Roger,

Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, LiveCode still hangs on "Installing app on target device...".  Maybe someone at LiveCode is listening and can lead us in the right direction.

-Dan


> Have you tried to be build for the highest version possible (3.1 and above)?
> 
> By the way, it is starting to bug me that we can't choose higher versions
> than Honeycomb, which is so old now.  Runrev updates those choices for iOS,
> but Android is being left behind, again.
> 
> ~Roger

>> Greetings!
>> 
>> I an clicking "Test" in the toolbar, like I always do to test to my Android devices.  However, suddenly, it seems to not be working.  It's going through all the steps but stopping on "Installing app on target device...".  I believe the phone (a GalaxyS3) was recently updated to Android 4.3.  Is there some setting I need to flip?  It device is appearing in the "Test Target" menu.  I have tried a number of versions of LiveCode, all react in the save manner.
>> 
>> I tried another Android device running 4.1.1 and it worked fine.
>> 
>> Any advice?
>> 
>> Thank you in advance,
>> -Dan
>> 



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 12 10:40:38 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:40:38 -0800
Subject: diesel
In-Reply-To: <52FB90C9.5060606@fourthworld.com>
References: <loom.20140212T074506-808@post.gmane.org>
	<52FB90C9.5060606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <93856878228.20140212074038@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 7:18:33 AM, you wrote:

> It shows "OK" across the board for me:
> <http://on-rev.com/support/server-status/>

Yeah.
The servers came back online at midnight PST.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From andrew at ctech.me  Wed Feb 12 10:46:50 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:46:50 -0600
Subject: [OT] question about stackoverflow - why was my posting deleted
In-Reply-To: <F547AAF6-0B49-414E-9A26-A9C50D52AFFD@m-r-d.de>
References: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>
	<52FB677D.3030006@economy-x-talk.com>
	<F547AAF6-0B49-414E-9A26-A9C50D52AFFD@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft9ba9P5K2xdRaxRetn_YgMLeZC75DX1+WdwNvB=Wq_mBg@mail.gmail.com>

I think it adds greatly to SO as a resource.  I love the fact that the
responses are required to be detailed. How fun would the dictionary be if
it just had links to a website that came up instead of a readily available
resource? I don't always want to follow another link to then sort out from
there where what I am looking for is.


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:32 AM, Matthias Rebbe <
matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> thanks for explaining.
> Then i think i will not waste anymore time with posting to SO.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
> Am 12.02.2014 um 13:22 schrieb Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>:
>
> > Hi Matthias,
> >
> > Your answer wasn't a direct answer to the question. Questions on SO
> should ask for a direct solution and answers should contain a direct
> solution.
> >
> > Answers like "you should read this" have a very high probability of
> being deleted. Posting links, for a purpose other than mentioning the
> original source of the answer, make deletion almost certain.
> >
> > SO wants to be an independent source, where you can find all answers
> without having to go to another website. In this respect, SO is even more
> strict than Wikipedia.
> >
> > Don't worry. This happens all the time. It is just how SO works.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mark Schonewille
> >
> > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> > Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> > KvK: 50277553
> >
> > Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other
> colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
> >
> > Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> http://qery.us/3fi
> >
> > LiveCode on Facebook:
> > https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> >
> > On 2/12/2014 13:06, Matthias Rebbe wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> on the 6th  i posted a comment to the following question
> >>
> >>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21612867/when-i-try-to-export-my-app-in-live-code-it-comes-up-with-an-error-message
> >>
> >> My answer was:
> >> Runrev offers many tutorials. There are also some about mobile
> development. I would suggest you try the following tutorial first
> >>
> >> How do i become an iOS developer (this line was a link to tutorial.)
> >>
> >> On the 8th my post was deleted. But even after reading the description
> for "why was my post deleted. See the help center",
> >> i am not sure why it was deleted.
> >>
> >> Was my post not appropriate?
> >>
> >> It would be nice if someone could explain. I want to avoid that my
> future post are also deleted.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Matthias
> >> Matthias Rebbe
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
>
> Matthias Rebbe
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From neil at runrev.com  Wed Feb 12 10:57:53 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 15:57:53 +0000
Subject: Android Test Won't Install
In-Reply-To: <992E0090-819D-420C-8757-F5753722C929@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <992E0090-819D-420C-8757-F5753722C929@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <52FB9A01.8000401@runrev.com>

Hi Dan,

The best place to get support for issues such as this is via 
support at runrev.com as messages sent there get filtered to our support team.

I am in the process of trying to upgrade my Galaxy S3 to 4.3 so will 
report back with my results, although this does seem to be device based 
as you are able to deploy to other devices without any issues.

Have you tried restarting the device since the upgrade? I would also 
recommend removing any existing test LiveCode application in case there 
is a conflict happening.

Kind Regards,


Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
-


On 12/02/2014 15:42, Dan Friedman wrote:
> Roger,
>
> Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, LiveCode still hangs on "Installing app on target device...".  Maybe someone at LiveCode is listening and can lead us in the right direction.
>
> -Dan
>
>
>> Have you tried to be build for the highest version possible (3.1 and above)?
>>
>> By the way, it is starting to bug me that we can't choose higher versions
>> than Honeycomb, which is so old now.  Runrev updates those choices for iOS,
>> but Android is being left behind, again.
>>
>> ~Roger
>>> Greetings!
>>>
>>> I an clicking "Test" in the toolbar, like I always do to test to my Android devices.  However, suddenly, it seems to not be working.  It's going through all the steps but stopping on "Installing app on target device...".  I believe the phone (a GalaxyS3) was recently updated to Android 4.3.  Is there some setting I need to flip?  It device is appearing in the "Test Target" menu.  I have tried a number of versions of LiveCode, all react in the save manner.
>>>
>>> I tried another Android device running 4.1.1 and it worked fine.
>>>
>>> Any advice?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance,
>>> -Dan
>>>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 12 10:57:18 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:57:18 -0800
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <8D0F570947E85FA-295C-21854@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com> <52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com> <52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<8D0F570947E85FA-295C-21854@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <57857878812.20140212075718@ahsoftware.net>

Craig-

Tuesday, February 11, 2014, 10:45:33 AM, you wrote:

> I find the system globals to be a distraction. Sometimes there
> are a dozen or more, depending on where I am in the session, and
> they begin the variable list. Certainly better if they were at the
> bottom, and this hack is possible, just as the hack from Thierry
> prevents their loading at all.


> But when debugging, I want to see, usually, only my own
> variables. I hate scrolling down just to display my own portion of
> the list.

...I should, of course, point out that PowerDebug has a filter that
will allow you to see just the variables you're interested in.
And separate displays for the local / global / and environment
variables.

http://mwieder.on-rev.com/WordPress/?incsub_wiki=the-variable-watcher
http://www.ahsoftware.net/PowerTools/BuyPowerDebug.irev

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Wed Feb 12 11:01:16 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:01:16 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG-nrADpn66LOMzmHqBL+S_hhGcxD+FNbedmf65BjbSZxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAHg3tG-nrADpn66LOMzmHqBL+S_hhGcxD+FNbedmf65BjbSZxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fb9acc.7fdcc233.196@fdbqRetina.local>

Richard:
> Does Livecode not need a revamped url library?

It does indeed, on the Roap Map under "Queued".?

I don?t know how I missed that; I?ve checked again and yes, it?s right there and it?s excellent news :)


Richard:
> modern limits for object sizes?

Current object sizes go up to about 32' - how big do you need them?

The problem is the limits of group objects, here.
40? images or graphics are useless most of the time, I know.?
But groups are must-have for scrolling, both on mobile and on desktop.
Think a video news app for iPhone 5 like Vimeo
or Twitter app for Mac desktop.
Let?s assume each thumb is 300px high.
Then the developer would have been limited to ~100 videos.
It?s not much.
I did a quick test and it took 8 fast scrolling flick to get the 100th video in Vimeo for iOS.
Considering a Twitter-like news reader app; it?s really a tight limit.


Richard:
> an engine with enough horsepower for the year 2014 not for 2002??

Always a fan of performance boosts, but to move that forward let's look?
at the areas of greatest interest: what would you like to see faster,?
text manipulation, math, object rendering, or something else?
- What tasks would we like to see performance gains with first??

You?re right, Richard, another notion which should be defined correctly.
"Which one should be faster? is a good question, indeed.


Richard:

- What would a syntax for threading look like??

Once, we discussed this issue with Bernd.
He said that he wouldn?t want to go through all the hassle of managing threads.
It?s not an easy task, not implementing rather using the already implemented multithread feature.



Regards,

~ Ender

From endernafi at keehuna.com  Wed Feb 12 11:04:08 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:04:08 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG-nrADpn66LOMzmHqBL+S_hhGcxD+FNbedmf65BjbSZxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAHg3tG-nrADpn66LOMzmHqBL+S_hhGcxD+FNbedmf65BjbSZxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG-nrADpn66LOMzmHqBL+S_hhGcxD+FNbedmf65BjbSZxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fb9b78.4e6afb66.196@fdbqRetina.local>

Trevor:
So what is my point? I think the purpose of your post is a great one (how?
the community can help RunRev focus on what is most important).

If you think you can help RunRev better focus their resources, my?
suggestion would be to come up with a system for collecting, categorizing,?
and managing these features first. Then you can start trying to determine?
what should be considered pet vs. essential.?

Maybe, a voting system can be built within the official Livecode webpage.
Like Monte?s system on mergext?com.
He decides which external to build according to this.
We can vote up or down what we need and expect from Livecode.
This might help to the team in their decisions.
It can be done after finishing the stretch goals?
or maybe even during this period since Kevin stated that they can allocate some resources for certain things.


Trevor:?
While understandable, when you use specific examples to buttress your argument?
then I think it is fair that people question you if they have had a?
different experience.

That?s right, it was me who opened the way to discussion getting watered down to specific examples.


Trevor:
You mention that resolution independence can be addressed by?
the developer and that the 32,000 pixel limit is keeping you from getting?
projects. My experience is the exact opposite. There is no way for me to?
work around all of the resolution independence issues in LiveCode (Mac and?
Windows) but I've been working around the 32,000 pixel limit for years.

That was my point, Trevor; this is why I thought such a topic should be opened.
If the above is the case, then 32? px limit shouldn?t be considered as *essential*.
I need, you don?t; it?s a pet of me and it shouldn?t be prioritized.
At least, according to my definition proposals.


Trevor:
One other issue you brought up was the URL library. If I read correctly,?
you are saying that an updated URL library isn't on RunRev's radar. But a?
reworked URL and socket library is part of the roadmap.

Yes, that was my mistake; I don?t know how I missed that entry in the Queued part of the Roadmap.


Best,

~ Ender

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 12 11:05:23 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:05:23 -0800
Subject: [OT] question about stackoverflow - why was my posting deleted
In-Reply-To: <52FB7473.2020204@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <2B6C5535-9554-4CD8-A438-211CFDA22C7C@m-r-d.de>
	<44F3FE10-CC91-4372-BC87-838B753A212C@major-k.de>
	<52FB7473.2020204@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <50858363700.20140212080523@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

I did bump your comment as useful. I think that in conjunction with
Dave Kilroy's comment is the correct response.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 11:53:31 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:53:31 +0200
Subject: What is a .ric file?
In-Reply-To: <52FB8F97.2040703@fourthworld.com>
References: <52FB77AE.9000008@gmail.com> <52FB8F97.2040703@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <52FBA70B.2080002@gmail.com>

On 12/02/14 17:13, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
>> Here's a direct link:
>> http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/2.7.0-gm-1/full/resources.ric 
>>
>
> It's an encrypted LC stack, and it's from several years ago, for a 
> version they no longer have ("Enterprise").
>
> More interesting to me than what RunRev used it for is why you find it 
> interesting in 2014?

Well, first of all probably being born in 1962 I'm also of a version 
they no longer have :)

Also because I was just tooling around looking at the website I 
referenced and started wondering what those .ric files were.

Nothing more.

Richmond.

>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 12 12:02:26 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:02:26 -0800
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fb9acc.7fdcc233.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fb9acc.7fdcc233.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FBA922.9080402@fourthworld.com>

Ender Nafi wrote:

> Richard:
>> modern limits for object sizes
>
> Current object sizes go up to about 32' - how big do you need them?
>
> The problem is the limits of group objects, here.
> 40? images or graphics are useless most of the time, I know.
> But groups are must-have for scrolling, both on mobile and on desktop.
> Think a video news app for iPhone 5 like Vimeo
> or Twitter app for Mac desktop.
> Let?s assume each thumb is 300px high.
> Then the developer would have been limited to ~100 videos.
> It?s not much.
> I did a quick test and it took 8 fast scrolling flick to get the 100th video in Vimeo for iOS.
> Considering a Twitter-like news reader app; it?s really a tight limit.

Many years ago I submitted a request for this myself:
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1858

But since then, I find myself very much on the fence about it, as it's 
not quite as simple as just changing the addressing used for rects.

Trevor's earlier post addresses this well:
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2014-February/198346.html

One of the challenges here is the buffer size:  LC provides very smooth 
scrolling for groups because it buffers the group's contents.  Creating 
a buffer of say 64' on a side would take a tremendous amount of memory 
in any application.

Most apps handle this as Trevor describes, similar to how his DataGrid 
works, with portions of the displayed content paging in and out of 
memory as needed on the fly.

Twitter's a really good example there:  in my feed it only goes back as 
far as about 14 hrs, and won't even attempt to load anything more than 
that.  And for the content it does show, it makes separate requests for 
chunks of about 20 or 30 at a time, updating the scrollbar each time as 
it goes.

Twitter's UI would be well suited for LC's DataGrid.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From dwilliams at runrev.com  Wed Feb 12 12:06:04 2014
From: dwilliams at runrev.com (dwilliams at runrev.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:06:04 +0100
Subject: diesel
In-Reply-To: <93856878228.20140212074038@ahsoftware.net>
References: <loom.20140212T074506-808@post.gmane.org>
	<52FB90C9.5060606@fourthworld.com>
	<93856878228.20140212074038@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <20140212180604.15793wendyz0o7wc@meg.on-rev.com>

Dear Mark,

Happily none of the servers were down on this occasion. As I explained  
to you when I responded to your ticket on on-rev, the issue you saw  
was that the status page itself was down for a period, and I'm glad to  
say I was able to rectify this for you when it was reported via the  
Urgent ticketing system.?

I see that you have now submitted a ticket mentioning an issue with  
your email, which I am now dealing with for you.

Instances of our servers being down or other major incidents affecting  
customers have enormously reduced since the successful transfer of our  
entire hosting operation to the new service. We continue to work on  
improving our systems to ensure ever greater reliability. I will look  
at introducing a new stat on the status page showing percentage uptime  
of our servers.?

As we have mentioned in the past, the best place to get issues  
resolved with on-rev is via our ticketing system, we do not  
necessarily routinely monitor this list, especially at night.

Warm Regards,

David

Quoting Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>:

> Richard-
>
> Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 7:18:33 AM, you wrote:
>
>> It shows "OK" across the board for me:
>> <http://on-rev.com/support/server-status/>
>
> Yeah.
> The servers came back online at midnight PST.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>






From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Feb 12 12:59:58 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:59:58 -0800
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <52FBA922.9080402@fourthworld.com>
References: <etPan.52fb9acc.7fdcc233.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBA922.9080402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePiRzLw2+6T_0DuJmM0_v=Umu7Vc8N-swSxLviEYOjWrA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Twitter's UI would be well suited for LC's DataGrid.


The Datagrid does have a way to request records form the user when needed.
 I think the property that controls is dgNumberOfRecords, described in
Section 9 of the Datagrid manual.  It does make a big difference when
loading large amounts of data into the datagrid.


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Feb 12 13:32:59 2014
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 10:32:59 -0800
Subject: Android Test Won't Install
Message-ID: <23551D16-DB42-4FC4-B31E-933B6E89882C@clearvisiontech.com>

Roger,

Yes. I did restart the device.  Also, the app was never installed since I couldn't get it installed via LC.  I was able to side-load the app on the device, and it did install.  So, there must be something goofy going on with LC and Android 4.3.  I'm sure you'll get it knocked out.

> although this does seem to be device based as you are able to deploy to other devices without any issues.

Only another device running an earlier version of Android.  Prior to updating to Android 4.3, I was able to deploy to this device with LC.  So, I doubt it's a device issue.  It must be a Android 4.3 issue.

Although side-loading is a little bit of a pain, it's an acceptable workaround until this gets repaired.

-Dan


> Hi Dan,
> 
> The best place to get support for issues such as this is via 
> support at runrev.com
>  as messages sent there get filtered to our support team.
> 
> I am in the process of trying to upgrade my Galaxy S3 to 4.3 so will 
> report back with my results, although this does seem to be device based 
> as you are able to deploy to other devices without any issues.
> 
> Have you tried restarting the device since the upgrade? I would also 
> recommend removing any existing test LiveCode application in case there 
> is a conflict happening.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> 
> Neil Roger
> 




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 12 13:51:44 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:51:44 -0600
Subject: Android Test Won't Install
In-Reply-To: <23551D16-DB42-4FC4-B31E-933B6E89882C@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <23551D16-DB42-4FC4-B31E-933B6E89882C@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <52FBC2C0.6080201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/12/14, 12:32 PM, Dan Friedman wrote:
> Although side-loading is a little bit of a pain, it's an acceptable
> workaround until this gets repaired.

The easiest way is to put the apk into any cloud service you have 
(Dropbox, Google Drive, etc.) and then open it from within the cloud app 
on your device. It installs immediately.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 12 14:02:10 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 19:02:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: diesel
References: <loom.20140212T074506-808@post.gmane.org>
	<52FB90C9.5060606@fourthworld.com>
	<93856878228.20140212074038@ahsoftware.net>
	<20140212180604.15793wendyz0o7wc@meg.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20140212T194844-705@post.gmane.org>

 <dwilliams at ...> writes:

> Happily none of the servers were down on this occasion. As I explained  
> to you when I responded to your ticket on on-rev, the issue you saw  
> was that the status page itself was down for a period, and I'm glad to  
> say I was able to rectify this for you when it was reported via the  
> Urgent ticketing system.?
> 
> I see that you have now submitted a ticket mentioning an issue with  
> your email, which I am now dealing with for you.

It's the same ticket, just an update to your response. As I mentioned in
that ticket, diesel email was unresponsive for 15 hours yesterday. I don't
look at the status page unless things aren't working, so for the most part I
don't care what it shows. When I did look at it, the status of diesel showed
"Down/Warning", which corresponded with the symptoms. My problem isn't with
the status display, but with the loss of service.

> 
> Instances of our servers being down or other major incidents affecting  
> customers have enormously reduced since the successful transfer of our  
> entire hosting operation to the new service. We continue to work on  
> improving our systems to ensure ever greater reliability. I will look  
> at introducing a new stat on the status page showing percentage uptime  
> of our servers.

If, as you say, the servers were actually up and running at the time of the
outage, then I fail to see how an uptime display will help.

> 
> As we have mentioned in the past, the best place to get issues  
> resolved with on-rev is via our ticketing system, we do not  
> necessarily routinely monitor this list, especially at night.

My posting here was to alert other users to the problem, not to get your
attention. That I did through issuing a trouble ticket.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 12 14:04:14 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:04:14 -0600
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/12/14, 6:48 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:
> you should know that calling someone as a dog is a very, very, VERY,
> VERY harsh, petty, offensive insult in my language & culture.

I think it's easy for westerners to forget that, since over here a dog 
is just another animal with no special significance. Our insults tend to 
be more sexually-related, which goes to show how juvenile our culture 
is. Genitalia are insulting, which has always puzzled me a bit.

As for Richmond's manners, well, he has his own. But I'm pretty sure he 
was oblivious to the cultural insult. His insults are far more universal 
in nature, though still mostly unintentional.

Once I met him in person I understood. He's a pussycat (cultural 
clarification: "pussycat" is a harmless, playful person, even though the 
first half of the word could be construed as a sexual insult. Americans 
are strange.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 14:30:31 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:30:31 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>	<etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <52FBCBD7.5090206@gmail.com>

On 12/02/14 21:04, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/12/14, 6:48 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:
>> you should know that calling someone as a dog is a very, very, VERY,
>> VERY harsh, petty, offensive insult in my language & culture.
>
> I think it's easy for westerners to forget that, since over here a dog 
> is just another animal with no special significance. Our insults tend 
> to be more sexually-related, which goes to show how juvenile our 
> culture is. Genitalia are insulting, which has always puzzled me a bit.
>
> As for Richmond's manners, well, he has his own. But I'm pretty sure 
> he was oblivious to the cultural insult. His insults are far more 
> universal in nature, though still mostly unintentional.
>
> Once I met him in person I understood. He's a pussycat (cultural 
> clarification: "pussycat" is a harmless, playful person, even though 
> the first half of the word could be construed as a sexual insult. 
> Americans are strange.)
>

I did, actually send Ender a private message, and I'm sure that he can 
vouch we are the very best of friends: hence his volte face in the
Use-List.

Richmond.



From endernafi at keehuna.com  Wed Feb 12 14:36:41 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:36:41 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fbcc09.4353d0cd.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<etPan.52fbcc09.4353d0cd.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>

Once again, I hit that 15kb. barrier.

Repeating myself without quoting Jacque?s reply; I hope this will be short enough for the mail-list :)


Hi Jacque,

Actually we talked about it in detail with Richmond.
I already removed the post from nabble;?
pity that I can?t remove it from your individual inboxes, too.

Cultural differences can be confusing.
Names of genital organs are little insulting, if any, in our culture, for example.
They are been used actively as part of small-talk, vulgar;
but most of the time, they mean close to ?buddy, pal, ??
Funny, isn?t it?


Whereas ?pig? is condescending, ?ox? means dumb, ?dog? is pretty insulting.
I can understand ?pig?, both Jews and Muslims consider it as dirty and un-kosher/not-halal.
I just don?t know why ?dog? is a curse.
Believe me, it?s really harsh to a degree that it?s one of few reasons which make me physically fight with someone.
It?s hard-coded to my neurons, collateral effects of my culture.
In fact, I love dogs as animals; they?re cute, loyal, fun, smart.
But as a swear, it?s rough.
And I?m not a touchy guy, usually don?t take swears serious; they?re just childish for me not a reason to argue.

I should have thought about the nuances between cultures.
That was clearly my mistake.


Another important thing about this issue is *being over-touchy / short-tempered of Middle Eastern people*.
Richmond expressed this very well and I?m quoting from him, I hope he?s ok with it:

What never ceases to amaze me is how it is perfectly acceptable for non-WASP cultures to make supposedly off-colour remarks about WASP culture,
while the other way round is jumped on like crazy whether it is or is intended to be offensive in reality or not


He?s absolutely right.
We call this behavior as ?playing the aggrieved card?.
It?s a common approach in this part of world.
Even the richest businessmen and strongest politicians use this.
They use because it?s proven as effective and it?s part of our culture, how we?ve been raised.
Hard-coded, if I may.

I was completely against it, yet I did it myself
Because I belong to this culture and my culture?s shackles have bounded me since my childhood.
Despite how much I try to free myself from those, I can?t succeed always.
Shame for me :/


~ Ender

From dunbarx at aol.com  Wed Feb 12 14:48:32 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:48:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<etPan.52fbcc09.4353d0cd.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <8D0F6428AF7F705-1A88-3A28@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>

Ender.


I was the cause of the previous flame war. Caught me by surprise as well.


I have no doubt of your integrity, and that is all that matters. These hassles occur now and then. There is no reason to belabor this. We are glad to have you in this community.


Back to LC. Now that is something we can all agree needs disciplining.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com>
To: LiveCode Forums <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials


Once again, I hit that 15kb. barrier.

Repeating myself without quoting Jacque?s reply; I hope this will be short 
enough for the mail-list :)


Hi Jacque,

Actually we talked about it in detail with Richmond.
I already removed the post from nabble; 
pity that I can?t remove it from your individual inboxes, too.

Cultural differences can be confusing.
Names of genital organs are little insulting, if any, in our culture, for 
example.
They are been used actively as part of small-talk, vulgar;
but most of the time, they mean close to ?buddy, pal, ??
Funny, isn?t it?


Whereas ?pig? is condescending, ?ox? means dumb, ?dog? is pretty insulting.
I can understand ?pig?, both Jews and Muslims consider it as dirty and 
un-kosher/not-halal.
I just don?t know why ?dog? is a curse.
Believe me, it?s really harsh to a degree that it?s one of few reasons which 
make me physically fight with someone.
It?s hard-coded to my neurons, collateral effects of my culture.
In fact, I love dogs as animals; they?re cute, loyal, fun, smart.
But as a swear, it?s rough.
And I?m not a touchy guy, usually don?t take swears serious; they?re just 
childish for me not a reason to argue.

I should have thought about the nuances between cultures.
That was clearly my mistake.


Another important thing about this issue is *being over-touchy / short-tempered 
of Middle Eastern people*.
Richmond expressed this very well and I?m quoting from him, I hope he?s ok with 
it:

What never ceases to amaze me is how it is perfectly acceptable for non-WASP 
cultures to make supposedly off-colour remarks about WASP culture,
while the other way round is jumped on like crazy whether it is or is intended 
to be offensive in reality or not


He?s absolutely right.
We call this behavior as ?playing the aggrieved card?.
It?s a common approach in this part of world.
Even the richest businessmen and strongest politicians use this.
They use because it?s proven as effective and it?s part of our culture, how 
we?ve been raised.
Hard-coded, if I may.

I was completely against it, yet I did it myself
Because I belong to this culture and my culture?s shackles have bounded me since 
my childhood.
Despite how much I try to free myself from those, I can?t succeed always.
Shame for me :/


~ Ender
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 12 15:14:26 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:14:26 -0600
Subject: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features and
	Essentials)
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>	<etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com>	<etPan.52fbcc09.4353d0cd.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FBD622.3060000@hyperactivesw.com>

Ender,

I marked this as OT because we've gone off-track, but this is 
fascinating to me and I'm glad your reply was still in my inbox.

> Whereas ?pig? is condescending, ?ox? means dumb, ?dog? is pretty insulting.

"Pig" here means dirty, sloppy, unclean, even though pigs are naturally 
very clean animals. "This place is a pig sty" means your house is a 
mess. Ox means dumb, same as you. A dog is just a dog, except for female 
dogs which are bitches. "Bitch" here is a so commonly used for a 
querrelous woman (or a man's property) that I've met people who don't 
know it actually refers to dogs.

> In fact, I love dogs as animals; they?re cute, loyal, fun, smart.
> But as a swear, it?s rough.

Another thing westerners are puzzled by is the insult about shoes. To us 
they are just apparel. I do understand that shoes pick up street dirt 
and are unclean, so it makes sense I guess. But if you threw a shoe at 
me, I'd be offended by the gesture but not by the item you chose to do 
it with.

> I should have thought about the nuances between cultures.
> That was clearly my mistake.

Don't feel too bad, we all do it. We are products of our culture, which 
is taught to us before we can even think about it. Americans are 
typically thought of as rude and after visiting the UK, I see why. We 
are perceived as brash and self-centered. One example is that we 
typically don't use "please" as often as they do in the UK, because in 
America that would be perceived as constant pleading, and perhaps a sign 
of insecurity. In the UK it is simply a polite way of speaking. When I 
was visiting, I tried to remember to say "please" more often than usual, 
just to fit in. I probably failed.

> Another important thing about this issue is being over-touchy /
> short-tempered of Middle Eastern people.

I suspect that part is more human than cultural. I know a lot of people 
here that behave that way too, and there are areas of the U.S. where 
criticising their culture or patriotism enrages them. I think it goes 
back to our tribal roots. The community is the bedrock of our identity, 
and insulting it also insults us personally by association.

I almost decided to major in cultural anthropology in college, the field 
is so fascinating to me. Humans are a diverse breed, and yet we have far 
more in common with each other than we have differences.

And I am glad this conversation occurred, because it makes us all more 
aware. One thing is a disadvantage to you though: your English is so 
good that it is easy to forget you live so far away. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Feb 12 15:16:38 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 12:16:38 -0800
Subject: diesel
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140212T194844-705@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140212T074506-808@post.gmane.org>
	<52FB90C9.5060606@fourthworld.com>
	<93856878228.20140212074038@ahsoftware.net>
	<20140212180604.15793wendyz0o7wc@meg.on-rev.com>
	<loom.20140212T194844-705@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <CF211528.3ACC2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi David:

Just a response here to say that as of Tuesday 3:40PM PST, something WAS
down.  I received a message from a client mentioning that the retailer map
for their business which I host on on-rev was not working and indeed I was
getting no response from the server.  I took a screen capture of the
all-red on-rev status page and send an email to support at on-rev.com.  I
never received a response so I have no idea if anyone was notified.

Apparently things seem to be working now.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design



><dwilliams at ...> writes:
>
>>Happily none of the servers were down on this occasion. As I explained
>>to you when I responded to your ticket on on-rev, the issue you saw
>>was that the status page itself was down for a period, and I'm glad to
>>say I was able to rectify this for you when it was reported via the
>>Urgent ticketing system. 





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 12 15:45:46 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 20:45:46 +0000
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials - Found word(s) remove
	list in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <5026a405-6497-4e8f-94da-dbba5eac9136@lists.runrev.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local><04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com><308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com><etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local><31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com><etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local><etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local><etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local><52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com><etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local><52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com><etPan.52fbcc09.4353d0cd.196@fdbqRetina.local><etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<5026a405-6497-4e8f-94da-dbba5eac9136@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F92A9F37-A2B9-4A0D-84DC-8FC9F7887F5A@iotecdigital.com>

There was a flame war? And I wasn?t involved??? I?m slipping?

Bob


On Feb 12, 2014, at 11:48 , dunbarx at aol.com<mailto:dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

Ender.


I was the cause of the previous flame war. Caught me by surprise as well.



From dunbarx at aol.com  Wed Feb 12 16:10:42 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:10:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials - Found word(s) remove list
	in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <F92A9F37-A2B9-4A0D-84DC-8FC9F7887F5A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local><04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com><308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com><etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local><31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com><etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local><etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local><etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local><52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com><etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local><52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com><etPan.52fbcc09.4353d0cd.196@fdbqRetina.local><etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<5026a405-6497-4e8f-94da-dbba5eac9136@lists.runrev.com>
	<F92A9F37-A2B9-4A0D-84DC-8FC9F7887F5A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8D0F64E05984730-231C-4637@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>

It was on the forum. Worth a look just for the car-accident-rubbernecking value.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 3:46 pm
Subject: Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials - Found word(s) remove list in the Text body


There was a flame war? And I wasn?t involved??? I?m slipping?

Bob


On Feb 12, 2014, at 11:48 , dunbarx at aol.com<mailto:dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

Ender.


I was the cause of the previous flame war. Caught me by surprise as well.

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From j at unmla.com  Wed Feb 12 17:20:40 2014
From: j at unmla.com (j at unmla.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 22:20:40 +0000
Subject: LiveCode vs other tools for children
In-Reply-To: <52FA5FCA.3050600@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU175-W460FB0A24729D6C69A8BBAF900@phx.gbl>
	<52F905FC.4060709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGASioMW7GYeoCo3iSr_AWaEYEDiYcWQq4DE0MyeHL4WP-4kYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB0B54C7-4969-41AB-AA9C-1BA590FA339C@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioNn8puNbZrzoP0WAd7J9fFPrF68SbHgGQW4yJ4kwfHaMg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<52FA5FCA.3050600@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <06a991ae81f14cfa94cb81990b775cfb@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

As a follow-up to my question regarding LiveCode in elementary schools, I'm wondering if there is  a need for research to compare programming/development environments for children.  So I paid an online visit to code.org.  I was happy to see LiveCode represented on http://code.org/learn (under Other Learning Options) among the many programming/coding environments.

After playing around with some of the other tools, it didn't take long to dawn on me that LiveCode is, at the very least, the best option for text manipulation.  I'm now wondering if age appropriateness is a factor, and if LiveCode has been formally compared with some of the other tools.  Any responses are, of course, are appreciated.

Thanks to Jacqueline, Cyril, David, and Peter for responding with the helpful information to my inquiry about LiveCode in elementary schools.  

Joseph Martinez
UNM - Los Alamos




From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Feb 12 17:24:50 2014
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:24:50 -0500
Subject: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features
	and	Essentials)
In-Reply-To: <52FBD622.3060000@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>	<etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com>	<etPan.52fbcc09.4353d0cd.196@fdbqRetina.local>	<etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBD622.3060000@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <006a01cf2841$3f673f30$be35bd90$@net>

J,

Very good points!!

I spent 1.5 years in Japan. I was having cocktails with some Tokyo locals
and I was tired and wanted to be able to accomplish what I promised the next
day and refused a tumbler glass of whiskey from Karamura San late in the
night. I went back to the hotel and found out the next day that I insulted
him BIG-TIME. Moral: You can't always know local customs but learn from your
mistakes. I bought him a tumbler of whiskey the next time we went out and
all was forgiven. On the "thank you" thingy... In Japan the more random
"Gazimus"s (spelling?) one places in a conversation the more polite you are.
And to be Really polite end the sentence with "gazimusssssssssssssss" and
stretch those s's out. I think the vast majority of us try to acclimate to
local customs so we can respect other cultures and not insult the locals.
But in the end it's one of those "live and learn" things.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of J. Landman Gay
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 3:14 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features and
Essentials)

Ender,

I marked this as OT because we've gone off-track, but this is fascinating to
me and I'm glad your reply was still in my inbox.

> Whereas "pig" is condescending, "ox" means dumb, "dog" is pretty
insulting.

"Pig" here means dirty, sloppy, unclean, even though pigs are naturally very
clean animals. "This place is a pig sty" means your house is a mess. Ox
means dumb, same as you. A dog is just a dog, except for female dogs which
are bitches. "Bitch" here is a so commonly used for a querrelous woman (or a
man's property) that I've met people who don't know it actually refers to
dogs.

> In fact, I love dogs as animals; they're cute, loyal, fun, smart.
> But as a swear, it's rough.

Another thing westerners are puzzled by is the insult about shoes. To us
they are just apparel. I do understand that shoes pick up street dirt and
are unclean, so it makes sense I guess. But if you threw a shoe at me, I'd
be offended by the gesture but not by the item you chose to do it with.

> I should have thought about the nuances between cultures.
> That was clearly my mistake.

Don't feel too bad, we all do it. We are products of our culture, which is
taught to us before we can even think about it. Americans are typically
thought of as rude and after visiting the UK, I see why. We are perceived as
brash and self-centered. One example is that we typically don't use "please"
as often as they do in the UK, because in America that would be perceived as
constant pleading, and perhaps a sign of insecurity. In the UK it is simply
a polite way of speaking. When I was visiting, I tried to remember to say
"please" more often than usual, just to fit in. I probably failed.

> Another important thing about this issue is being over-touchy / 
> short-tempered of Middle Eastern people.

I suspect that part is more human than cultural. I know a lot of people here
that behave that way too, and there are areas of the U.S. where criticising
their culture or patriotism enrages them. I think it goes back to our tribal
roots. The community is the bedrock of our identity, and insulting it also
insults us personally by association.

I almost decided to major in cultural anthropology in college, the field is
so fascinating to me. Humans are a diverse breed, and yet we have far more
in common with each other than we have differences.

And I am glad this conversation occurred, because it makes us all more
aware. One thing is a disadvantage to you though: your English is so good
that it is easy to forget you live so far away. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Wed Feb 12 17:35:18 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 00:35:18 +0200
Subject: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features
	and Essentials)
In-Reply-To: <52FBD622.3060000@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<etPan.52fbcc09.4353d0cd.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBD622.3060000@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fbf726.1e7ff521.196@fdbqRetina.local>


And I am glad this conversation occurred, because it makes us all more?
aware. One thing is a disadvantage to you though: your English is so?
good that it is easy to forget you live so far away. :)?

Jacque,
I seriously doubt it but Richmond said that, too;
so, I?m about ?to believe.
By the way, you ought to know that very few things can make me so proud about myself.

It?s important for me because of three reasons;?
one, I was always into the languages;?
second, Turkish is very different in so many aspects from English
in fact it?s structurally sibling to Japanese apart from our Latin alphabet vs their Kanji & Kana,
despite the common westerner belief, Turkish is not related to Arabic or Farsi, whatsoever;
third, I have no formal education, just movies, tv shows and books.

I guess, this is my way of expressing gratitude to your compliments :)
In short, thank you :)


Jacque:
One example is that we?
typically don't use "please" as often as they do in the UK, because in?
America that would be perceived as constant pleading, and perhaps a sign?
of insecurity. In the UK it is simply a polite way of speaking. ?

I feel awkward many times when I want to use ?please?
and I question myself whether I?m using it too much or not.
Now, I know the reason thanks to you;?
that was apparently the American way
and as I said earlier I learned English from Hollywood mostly.

From now on, I can use it as much as I want knowing that I?ll be perceived as coming from British ?cole :)


Jacque:
I almost decided to major in cultural anthropology in college, the field?
is so fascinating to me. Humans are a diverse breed, and yet we have far?
more in common with each other than we have differences.

Indeed?
Although the cultural differences seem big to us, the resemblances are in majority.

There is a reason for that: Genetic Bottleneck Theory.
We all are grandchildren of just 1000 to 10.000 pairs from some 50.000 years ago.
The reason of this bottleneck is somewhat disputed,?
yet it seems that Toba Incident is the favorite one among the scientists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory#Genetic_bottlenecks_in_humans

The theory says that 60% to 96% of humans did extinct in that era of volcanic winter.
If we could become so different in the last 70.000 years?
{ http://www.boredpanda.org/vanishing-tribes-before-they-pass-away-jimmy-nelson/ }
how different had Homo Sapiens been become during the earlier 130.000 ~ 4million years?
Who knows, maybe there were some races which look like Hobbits, Elves even like Orcs :)

It?s fun to dream, isn?t it?


Best,

~ Ender



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Feb 12 19:24:14 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 16:24:14 -0800
Subject: Problems with delete stack
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNV3CyxcBk0a2YtsEETQoYpS_ANr+T9kuuTe4MKpcDncQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think I ran into this a while back but it's cropped up again.

I have a script that deletes a stack from memory then opens it again from a
different stack file.  When the new stack is loaded, I get the usual LC
message about duplicate stack names and what do I want to do about them.

In itself, that's weird because delete stack should remove the stack from
memory.  I've also tried setting the destroystack property of the stack to
true before deleting it but same thing happens.

What's even stranger is that the message asks what do I want to do with
<the new stack's filename> before loading <the old stack's filename>, when
it should be the other way round.  I guess that could just be a bug in the
message display handler.

If I step through the script in debug, the problem doesn't occur.

It seems some amount of time is needed for the stack to really be gone from
memory, question is how much of a wait should I put in there?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Feb 12 20:43:41 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:43:41 -0800
Subject: Problems with delete stack
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNV3CyxcBk0a2YtsEETQoYpS_ANr+T9kuuTe4MKpcDncQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNV3CyxcBk0a2YtsEETQoYpS_ANr+T9kuuTe4MKpcDncQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF216286.3AD78%scott@tactilemedia.com>

If you want a stack to be removed from memory when it closes, it needs to
have its destroyStack property enabled.  Also check to make sure no script
from the closing stack is executing -- that could prevent the stack from
closing completely.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 2/12/14 4:24 PM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

>I think I ran into this a while back but it's cropped up again.
>
>I have a script that deletes a stack from memory then opens it again from
>a
>different stack file.  When the new stack is loaded, I get the usual LC
>message about duplicate stack names and what do I want to do about them.
>
>In itself, that's weird because delete stack should remove the stack from
>memory.  I've also tried setting the destroystack property of the stack to
>true before deleting it but same thing happens.
>
>What's even stranger is that the message asks what do I want to do with
><the new stack's filename> before loading <the old stack's filename>, when
>it should be the other way round.  I guess that could just be a bug in the
>message display handler.
>
>If I step through the script in debug, the problem doesn't occur.
>
>It seems some amount of time is needed for the stack to really be gone
>from
>memory, question is how much of a wait should I put in there?
>
>Pete
>lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>





From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Feb 12 21:13:53 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 18:13:53 -0800
Subject: LiveCode vs other tools for children
In-Reply-To: <06a991ae81f14cfa94cb81990b775cfb@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <7c1269f3a5344f3184575a4de9bc6a9e@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU175-W460FB0A24729D6C69A8BBAF900@phx.gbl>
	<52F905FC.4060709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGASioMW7GYeoCo3iSr_AWaEYEDiYcWQq4DE0MyeHL4WP-4kYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB0B54C7-4969-41AB-AA9C-1BA590FA339C@gmail.com>
	<CAGASioNn8puNbZrzoP0WAd7J9fFPrF68SbHgGQW4yJ4kwfHaMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA5FCA.3050600@hyperactivesw.com>
	<06a991ae81f14cfa94cb81990b775cfb@BLUPR07MB226.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+PLrPnKdf1TWKFPuK99rPXMW-JePwstXjdh4K97vPDpw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:20 PM, j at unmla.com <j at unmla.com> wrote:

> at the very least, the best option for text manipulation.


You just stated a truth.  Chunk Expressions in Livecode rock.

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 12 21:43:43 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:43:43 +0000
Subject: The DefaultButton
Message-ID: <A4FA580F-21ED-4C4A-A93C-AA405279BC6C@iotecdigital.com>

I have a button whose properties show that the defaultButton property is true. However a script that I have which sends mouse up to the defaultButton of this card throws an error. Upon further investigation, I run ?put the defaultButton of this card? in the message box and get empty, same as in my script. 

Can someone please ?splain to me how it is possible a button on a card can have the defaultButton property set to true, and this condition can occur?

Also, if I uncheck the defaultButton checkbox and re-check it, the damn thing works?? This has GOT to be a bug!

Bob


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 21:54:11 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:54:11 +0800
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:
>
>
> The only downside with that visualization is that it takes a large screen
to really see what's going on.  Might be nice to also have some other
automated graphic view - what else is floating around in the Git world for
that?
>
Thanks Richard, very nice! As you say, you need a big screen but even
without, you can tell that Monte must be an ADHD sufferer - which is
perfect, he can't seem to keep himself from participating in every little
branch ;-)

It's not as self evident as the best info-graphics; it's not clear what the
different colours represent or why certain blobs immediately appear large
and stay basically the same size, rather than grow; obviously if you've
been given the link to the gouce site you can figure it out. And as I
previously mentioned, it would be nice if there was some sort of percentage
indication as to an estimate of how complete a blob is.

Still, I am very impressed with the amount of activity the Runrev Team +
many others have devoted. How nice it would be if it were possible to have
a link to a live update that allowed you to visualise the work from day 1
'til today. I was hoping that someone was going to reply to your Git world
request.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 12 21:59:08 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 02:59:08 +0000
Subject: repeating string
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycOsHoOYB2QPyWaBBuJ3nd3PfXedCeiYb+eihSTW9sDRLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMPgp-XFEoO+gdYQK5S8C9pHZ0xtT4_UzscN=aEe01aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F1A44D.5080007@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMYCinkRXRXJ2htWoBJ51g0BFx7sPMTxehCjOkkCUQ8zQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<52F206B3.6090401@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CADCoycMsbkw_yup7JUgSbMottm06z_EYJOG0wHQPqbPFAXP2oQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpfHrz5K+sX2e2nJUX-=LiMp3OMSDM2LBDk3Wu+SF2kEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B2A28860-C6C2-4BE6-8277-F0C34F04948C@byu.edu>
	<52F96BBB.8060103@tweedly.net> <52FA6076.3060002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycOsHoOYB2QPyWaBBuJ3nd3PfXedCeiYb+eihSTW9sDRLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7012DF6A-6B8A-400C-975D-F3F5E75415DC@iotecdigital.com>

Something like, put ?burger? into the mouth of me with ?force?? Or maybe, set the mouth of ?bob? to ?full? with ?burger?? Hmmm? I?m guessing I?m hungry. BRB!

Bob


On Feb 11, 2014, at 09:51 , Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> I guess I'm more of a fan of having multiple ways of saying something,
> because then each person can use whatever feels most natural and intuitive
> to them instead of being forced.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:40 PM, J. Landman Gay
> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
> 
>> On 2/10/14, 6:15 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>> 
>> I don't see any need to invent a new verb "pad"; why not simply
>>> something like
>>> 
>>> put <value> [for N times] <chunk description>
>>> or
>>> put [N copies of] <value> <chunk description>
>>> 
>>> Thus
>>>    put "hello" into myVar
>>>    put "xyz" for 2 times after char 3 of myVar    --> helxyzxyzlo
>>> or perhaps
>>>    put 2 copies of "xyz" after char 3 of myVar
>>> 
>>> Or indeed
>>>    put "abc" & 4 copies of " " & "def" into newVar
>>> to give a value of "abc    def"
>>> 
>> 
>> I could go with the first one, but if we're to avoid inventing new syntax
>> then I'd drop the version that uses "copies". But the first variation would
>> work and I like the idea of building off existing terminology.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 12 22:03:15 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:03:15 +0000
Subject: diesel
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140212T074506-808@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140212T033834-20@post.gmane.org>
	<loom.20140212T074506-808@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <EA2F9240-334F-41CB-8250-F19E110278A9@iotecdigital.com>

Good thing I just deployed a mySQL server on a computer I was given from my last place of employ. I had On-Rev crap out on my in the middle of a proof of concept meeting. That was not pretty nor was it comfortable. 

Bob


On Feb 11, 2014, at 22:50 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Actually, I see from the status page that *all* on-rev's servers are down.
> Nice.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 22:48:05 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:48:05 -0600
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <
endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:

> Try to calculate a recursive fib(33) under 0.5 second
> {it's 14 seconds on a brand new Macbook Pro Retina, where it's ~100ms. for
> Javascript.}
>

I'll take that bet:

local fibArray

function fib N
   if N = 0 or N = 1 then return N
   if fibArray[N] is empty then put fib(N-2) + fib(N-1) into fibArray[N]
   return fibArray[N]
end fib

on mouseUp
   put the long seconds into T
   get fib(33)
   put it && the long seconds - T
end mouseUp

Puts:

3524578 0.000022

It would be *really* good if LC supported co-routines, tail-recursion
optimization, and native memo-ization of functions, but it's often not hard
to memo-ize manually. Of course in this case recursion is unhelpful to
begin with, but I'm pretending that it's unavoidable since it's the reason
for the example.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 12 23:41:13 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 20:41:13 -0800
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65903712268.20140212204113@ahsoftware.net>

Geoff-

Close. Your first array element is empty. Right answer, though.

local fibArray

function fib N
    if (N = 1 or N = 2) then
       put 1 into fibArray[N]
       return 1
    end if
    if fibArray[N] is empty then put fib(N-2) + fib(N-1) into fibArray[N]
    return fibArray[N]
 end fib

on mouseUp
    local T
    put empty into field 1
    put the long seconds into T
    get fib(33)
    put it && the long seconds - T
    -- display the array
    repeat with N=1 to 33
       put N & ":" && fibArray[N] & cr after field 1
    end repeat
end mouseUp

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Feb 13 00:01:56 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:01:56 -0600
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrzgYz25ZJCPXcEvh6ePvAmA6vZRDB9OO9WYLp-Qw1n6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> 3524578 0.000022
>

Ha, let me not cheat:

on mouseUp
   clearFib
   put the long seconds into T
   get fib(33)
   put it && the long seconds - T
end mouseUp

local fibArray

function fib N
   if N = 0 or N = 1 then return N
   if fibArray[N] is empty then put fib(N-1) + fib(N-2) into fibArray[N]
   return fibArray[N]
end fib

on clearFib
   delete variable fibArray
end clearFib

Puts:

3524578 0.000357

Not *as* fast as the original, but still very fast.


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Feb 13 00:20:32 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 23:20:32 -0600
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <65903712268.20140212204113@ahsoftware.net>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65903712268.20140212204113@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrz5h=WL46WwdJfaD0pm-qLJVvOa_V=bwHW3YtKRLMXBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>wrote:

> Close. Your first array element is empty. Right answer, though.
>

What's in the array isn't important, really -- it's just a manual form of
the memo feature some languages offer. fibArray[1] is empty, as is
fibArray[0], because the function short-cuts both of those arguments and
simply returns them. I literally went online and searched "recursive
fibonacci function" and copy-pasted, then added the memo feature. I think
it's more honest to do that, since the exact function isn't really the
point.

In a sense, applying memo might be considered a cheat, since the point was
that LC performance could be improved. Finding a clever way to patch over
LC's lack of tail-recursion optimization or memo isn't really the point,
but I thought it was valid here to mention that the thing that (I assume)
makes javascript faster than LC might be built-in on the JS side, but can
be replicated pretty simply on the LC side.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Feb 13 00:49:16 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:49:16 -0800
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrz5h=WL46WwdJfaD0pm-qLJVvOa_V=bwHW3YtKRLMXBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65903712268.20140212204113@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAKCLKtrz5h=WL46WwdJfaD0pm-qLJVvOa_V=bwHW3YtKRLMXBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19907795571.20140212214916@ahsoftware.net>

Geoff-

Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 9:20:32 PM, you wrote:

> What's in the array isn't important, really -- it's just a manual form of
...

Ah, never mind. I see you're priming the array with a 0 value in the
first element and then treating the array as if it's 1-based rather
than 0-based. That'll do just fine.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From dunbarx at aol.com  Thu Feb 13 00:59:45 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 00:59:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: The DefaultButton
In-Reply-To: <A4FA580F-21ED-4C4A-A93C-AA405279BC6C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4FA580F-21ED-4C4A-A93C-AA405279BC6C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8D0F697EE2E1B1E-231C-667B@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>

Bob.


I made a new stack with one button on it. Put a mouseUp handler in it. In msg:



send "mouseUp" to the defaultbutton of this card



Got what I expected.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 9:44 pm
Subject: The DefaultButton


I have a button whose properties show that the defaultButton property is true. 
However a script that I have which sends mouse up to the defaultButton of this 
card throws an error. Upon further investigation, I run ?put the defaultButton 
of this card? in the message box and get empty, same as in my script. 

Can someone please ?splain to me how it is possible a button on a card can have 
the defaultButton property set to true, and this condition can occur?

Also, if I uncheck the defaultButton checkbox and re-check it, the damn thing 
works?? This has GOT to be a bug!

Bob
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From endernafi at keehuna.com  Thu Feb 13 04:13:03 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:13:03 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrz5h=WL46WwdJfaD0pm-qLJVvOa_V=bwHW3YtKRLMXBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65903712268.20140212204113@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAKCLKtrz5h=WL46WwdJfaD0pm-qLJVvOa_V=bwHW3YtKRLMXBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fc8c9f.6b8b4567.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

Geoff,

I had no idea that benchmarking can be done in *nanosecond* level;
apparently, using *the long seconds*, it was possible.
Thanks for that.

However, as excellent code as your script is;?
I wasn?t trying to find the fastest recursive fibonacci algorithm
neither trying to find a solution for a technical problem.

It was a comparison of raw horsepowers of languages?
and discussing what we can do to see a far faster Livecode in the future.
It?s not a child task, I know.
Especially after reading your post:
> In a sense, applying memo might be considered a cheat, since the point was?
> that LC performance could be improved. Finding a clever way to patch over?
> LC's lack of tail-recursion optimization or memo isn't really the point,?
> but I thought it was valid here to mention that the thing that (I assume)?
> makes javascript faster than LC might be built-in on the JS side, but can?
> be replicated pretty simply on the LC side.?


In the light of these, I'm not sure that your comparison is fair.
I have used same algorithm both in C and Livecode
and the results were ~29ms. vs ~8seconds.
You can find them below.

I wonder what result will produce other languages using your array method.
We all know that there are tons of optimized fib algorithms which cut down the processing times in an order of magnitude;
to name a few: matrix, dynamic, space optimized, ?


Again, the point is not getting the fastest results, rather comparing the results of exactly same algorithms.

Here are my test scripts for C and Livecode, respectively;
they?re pretty straightforward:

int fib(int n)
{
? ?if (n <= 1)
? ? ? return n;
? ?return fib(n-1) + fib(n-2);
}

--?

function fib n
	if n <= 1 then
		return n
	else
		return fib(n-1) + fib(n-2)
	end if
end fib




~ Ender

From endernafi at keehuna.com  Thu Feb 13 06:13:53 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:13:53 +0200
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
Message-ID: <etPan.52fca8f1.238e1f29.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

Hello,

I have a library stack which consists all my common functions and commands.
Calculations, text manipulation, getting device info, update procedures, etc.

Stack?s script is close 5000+ line of code.

I wanted to organize it and put related handlers into the script of respective cards.

But it didn?t work, calling a function from my mainstack?s cards throws an error.
I know that I can dispatch a function but it?s not effective.

Here is an example:

_main stack
___card 1
___card 2
___?
__library stack
___card 1
___card 2
___?

Script of card 1 of library stack:

function calcSum pX, pY
? ?return pX + pY
end function

Script of card 2 of main stack:

on answerSum
? ?answer calcSum(3, 5)
end answerSum


Is this possible?
Can I distribute my handlers onto different cards of the library stack
and still call them directly?



Thanks,

~ Ender

From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Feb 13 06:19:11 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:19:11 +0100
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fca8f1.238e1f29.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fca8f1.238e1f29.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <45E8BB84-E3DD-4F1A-86FD-08BA86F8EAA7@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ender,

Stacks in use receive messages at stack level, not at card level.

Use a button for each part of your library and use backscripts and frontscripts.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

We have time for new software development projects. Contact me for a quote.






On 13 feb 2014, at 12:13, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a library stack which consists all my common functions and commands.
> Calculations, text manipulation, getting device info, update procedures, etc.
> 
> Stack?s script is close 5000+ line of code.
> 
> I wanted to organize it and put related handlers into the script of respective cards.
> 
> But it didn?t work, calling a function from my mainstack?s cards throws an error.
> I know that I can dispatch a function but it?s not effective.
> 
> Here is an example:
> 
> _main stack
> ___card 1
> ___card 2
> ___?
> __library stack
> ___card 1
> ___card 2
> ___?
> 
> Script of card 1 of library stack:
> 
> function calcSum pX, pY
>    return pX + pY
> end function
> 
> Script of card 2 of main stack:
> 
> on answerSum
>    answer calcSum(3, 5)
> end answerSum
> 
> 
> Is this possible?
> Can I distribute my handlers onto different cards of the library stack
> and still call them directly?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> ~ Ender






From endernafi at keehuna.com  Thu Feb 13 06:47:29 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:47:29 +0200
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <45E8BB84-E3DD-4F1A-86FD-08BA86F8EAA7@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <etPan.52fca8f1.238e1f29.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<45E8BB84-E3DD-4F1A-86FD-08BA86F8EAA7@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fcb0d1.2eb141f2.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

Mark, thanks for your quick reply.

I have another question, if you don?t mind.

Is there any difference, especially performance-wise, between these two approaches:

1. Library code is in the library stack?s script and it?s activated by
_start using stack ?libraryCode?

2. Library code is distributed to different buttons of a card of the main stack and it?s activated by
_repeat with x=1 to the number of buttons of card ?libraryCode?
__insert the script of button x of card ?libraryCode? into back
_end repeat


Thanks,

~ Ender

From:?Mark Schonewille Mark Schonewille
Reply:?Mark Schonewille m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
Date:?February 13, 2014 at 13:19:32
To:?How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:? Re: Best Practice for Library Stacks  
Hi Ender,  

Stacks in use receive messages at stack level, not at card level.  

Use a button for each part of your library and use backscripts and frontscripts.  

--  
Best regards,  

Mark Schonewille  



From bvg at mac.com  Thu Feb 13 06:51:54 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:51:54 +0100
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com> <52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com> <52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A204B794-7369-4ED8-AC11-2869F30D1DC9@mac.com>

> 
> I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program without the debugger?
> 
> Jaw dropped.

I graciously insert put commands when something isn't working as expected, then fix the problem and remove the puts again. Only works with code that I've created myself though, because other people tend to use far more functions and commands, which unnecessarily complicates things. The main advantage is that the IDE in general, as well as my own stacks, are faster with debug mode off. I actually like that finding bugs and removing them is annoying, because then I think twice before making random changes.

Said that, I found myself using the debugger a bit more recently, mostly because It helps with seeing why code does what it does, not so much to find code that isn't doing what it's supposed to do.


-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From neil at runrev.com  Thu Feb 13 08:38:20 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 13:38:20 +0000
Subject: The DefaultButton
In-Reply-To: <A4FA580F-21ED-4C4A-A93C-AA405279BC6C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <A4FA580F-21ED-4C4A-A93C-AA405279BC6C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <52FCCACC.3000802@runrev.com>

Hi Bob,

It does seem like something peculiar is going on as I can replicate the 
behavior that you are experiencing. It would be great if you could 
submit a report on this issue with your Quality Control team as they 
will be able to investigate it further.

Kind Regards,


Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
--


On 13/02/2014 02:43, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> I have a button whose properties show that the defaultButton property is true. However a script that I have which sends mouse up to the defaultButton of this card throws an error. Upon further investigation, I run ?put the defaultButton of this card? in the message box and get empty, same as in my script.
>
> Can someone please ?splain to me how it is possible a button on a card can have the defaultButton property set to true, and this condition can occur?
>
> Also, if I uncheck the defaultButton checkbox and re-check it, the damn thing works?? This has GOT to be a bug!
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Feb 13 08:46:28 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:46:28 +0100
Subject: John Craig posted a new video on Youtube about the new Carousel
	feature of MobGui
Message-ID: <F4169889-F2ED-42BC-98A2-78DDEC00107B@m-r-d.de>

Hi,

i just watched John Craig?s new video on Youtube about the new Carousel feature of MobGui.

What an awesome feature of  MobGui!!

But have a look yourselves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1LOomoJSbU


Regards,

Matthias


Matthias Rebbe




From paul at researchware.com  Thu Feb 13 09:03:41 2014
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:03:41 -0500
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fca8f1.238e1f29.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fca8f1.238e1f29.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FCD0BD.4050406@researchware.com>

You can have more Library stacks loaded (via start using) than you can
insert back scripts or front scripts. The numbers used to be 50 library
stacks and 15 front and 15 back scripts. I am not sure if that has
changed with recent releases. This may or may not make a difference for
you depending upon how large your libraries grow and whether you want to
break them up into multiple libraries

Using a convention I first saw Richard Gaskin use, you can organize
handlers within a script by using "empty handlers" as dividers. For example:

on __MATH_ROUTINES__
  # These are my math routines all collected together
end __MATH_ROUTINES__

function calcSum pX, pY
   return pX + pY
end function

function kinetic pM, pV
   return 0.5 * pM * pV^2
end function

on __USERINTERFACE_ROUTINES__
  # These are my math routines all collected together
end __USERINTERFACE_ROUTINES__

on answerSum
   answer calcSum(3, 5)
end answerSum

This provides for very visible section breaks in the list of scripts in the IDE between collections of handlers. There is of course nothing special about starting the handler names with underscore, it is really just to provide a visible difference from other handlers.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 13 09:50:05 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:50:05 -0800
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <52FCD0BD.4050406@researchware.com>
References: <52FCD0BD.4050406@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <52FCDB9D.4070502@fourthworld.com>

Paul Dupuis wrote:

> You can have more Library stacks loaded (via start using) than you can
> insert back scripts or front scripts. The numbers used to be 50 library
> stacks and 15 front and 15 back scripts. I am not sure if that has
> changed with recent releases.

It seems that it has.

I'd been meaning to test this since the first FOSS release with v6.0, 
and Ender's post prompted me to take a minute to check it out.

In my test stack I was able to insert 16 scripts into the frontScripts, 
bringing a standalone's total to 20 frontScripts (the other four are 
inserted by the LC IDE at build time), and the scriptLimits show as 
"0,0,0" for both Community and Commercial editions.

We would expect the scriptLimits to be 0,0,0 for the Community edition, 
since of course such a limit makes no sense with the GPL license.

And given that the goal of the Commercial edition is that it's the same 
as the Community edition with the exception of being able to also 
encrypt scripts, it makes reasonable sense that the scriptLimits would 
be 0,0,0 there as well.

However, the Dictionary entry for scriptLimits doesn't flag it as 
deprecated, and still notes the older limits that used to be enforced in 
standalones.  The most recent change noted in that Dictionary entry is v2.5.

So I filed a report against it, and will look forward to the team's 
clarification as to whether this is a functionality bug or a 
documentation bug:

<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11797>

I hope it's the latter, since with the LC IDE's insistence on adding so 
many of its own frontScript and backScripts, we're left with too few 
available slots for some complex apps that could make good use of them.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Thu Feb 13 09:53:17 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:53:17 -0500
Subject: John Craig posted a new video on Youtube about the new Carousel
	feature of MobGui
In-Reply-To: <F4169889-F2ED-42BC-98A2-78DDEC00107B@m-r-d.de>
References: <F4169889-F2ED-42BC-98A2-78DDEC00107B@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOyNWQ+gr-Vd9aOFTyYMBMGBiZnoQeYCdbf6RVf3JUCUg@mail.gmail.com>

That's pretty cool...


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Matthias Rebbe <
matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i just watched John Craig?s new video on Youtube about the new Carousel
> feature of MobGui.
>
> What an awesome feature of  MobGui!!
>
> But have a look yourselves
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1LOomoJSbU
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
> Matthias Rebbe
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 13 10:15:52 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:15:52 -0800
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fcb0d1.2eb141f2.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fcb0d1.2eb141f2.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FCE1A8.50705@fourthworld.com>

Ender Nafi wrote:

> Is there any difference, especially performance-wise, between these two approaches:
>
> 1. Library code is in the library stack?s script and it?s activated by
> _start using stack ?libraryCode?
>
> 2. Library code is distributed to different buttons of a card of the main stack and it?s activated by
> _repeat with x=1 to the number of buttons of card ?libraryCode?
> __insert the script of button x of card ?libraryCode? into back
> _end repeat

I haven't measured that but I would expect any difference to be 
inconsequential.

Access to handlers in behaviors measures slightly faster than in 
libraries, but this modest speed bump is possible because of their more 
limited scope so plan accordingly.

FWIW, remember that even backscripts and libraries can use behaviors, 
and behavior can be chained as of v6.1, so if it helps clarify your 
design to think of the scripts as classes and subclasses this is now a 
powerful new option available to us.

Using behaviors attached to backScripts may give you the greatest 
balance of flexibility and performance, depending on the particulars of 
your setup.

I wouldn't recommend using behaviors solely for the speed bump, as it's 
only a few microseconds.  But where behaviors can clarify your design, 
where limiting scope can be beneficial, it's great that we have them and 
can now nest them.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From prothero at earthednet.org  Thu Feb 13 10:22:57 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:22:57 -0800
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <52FCDB9D.4070502@fourthworld.com>
References: <52FCD0BD.4050406@researchware.com>
	<52FCDB9D.4070502@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8A5C4EAB-64E4-4D7C-B5CF-0FD4F5C80F81@earthednet.org>

I also am concerned with the organization of large script libraries. 

I like the idea of putting libraries into buttons, then copying them into the front script at startup. When you say there is a limit of some number of scripts, what counts for a "script"? Is a single script counted as all the handlers contained within a single button?

Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Feb 13, 2014, at 6:50 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Paul Dupuis wrote:
> 
>> You can have more Library stacks loaded (via start using) than you can
>> insert back scripts or front scripts. The numbers used to be 50 library
>> stacks and 15 front and 15 back scripts. I am not sure if that has
>> changed with recent releases.
> 
> It seems that it has.
> 
> I'd been meaning to test this since the first FOSS release with v6.0, and Ender's post prompted me to take a minute to check it out.
> 
> In my test stack I was able to insert 16 scripts into the frontScripts, bringing a standalone's total to 20 frontScripts (the other four are inserted by the LC IDE at build time), and the scriptLimits show as "0,0,0" for both Community and Commercial editions.
> 
> We would expect the scriptLimits to be 0,0,0 for the Community edition, since of course such a limit makes no sense with the GPL license.
> 
> And given that the goal of the Commercial edition is that it's the same as the Community edition with the exception of being able to also encrypt scripts, it makes reasonable sense that the scriptLimits would be 0,0,0 there as well.
> 
> However, the Dictionary entry for scriptLimits doesn't flag it as deprecated, and still notes the older limits that used to be enforced in standalones.  The most recent change noted in that Dictionary entry is v2.5.
> 
> So I filed a report against it, and will look forward to the team's clarification as to whether this is a functionality bug or a documentation bug:
> 
> <http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11797>
> 
> I hope it's the latter, since with the LC IDE's insistence on adding so many of its own frontScript and backScripts, we're left with too few available slots for some complex apps that could make good use of them.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 13 10:46:16 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:46:16 -0800
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <8A5C4EAB-64E4-4D7C-B5CF-0FD4F5C80F81@earthednet.org>
References: <8A5C4EAB-64E4-4D7C-B5CF-0FD4F5C80F81@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <52FCE8C8.5050300@fourthworld.com>

Earthednet-wp wrote:

 > I like the idea of putting libraries into buttons, then copying
 > them into the front script at startup. When you say there is a
 > limit of some number of scripts, what counts for a "script"? Is
 > a single script counted as all the handlers contained within a
 > single button?

There used to be limits; it remains to be seen if there still are, or if 
the Dictionary entry for scriptLimits just needs to be updated.

You can check out that entry for details, but in short there were the 
following limits when running in a standalone, which do not apply in the 
IDE:

10 frontScripts
10 backScripts
50 libraries
10 executable lines in any string evaluated by "do" or "value"

The latter doesn't include comments, and if a single statement is 
written across multiple lines with a continuation character ("\") it 
still only counts as one line.

These were initially added to the engine to solve what's become known in 
xTalk history as "The Digital Chisel Problem", in which a SuperCard user 
once built an authoring system that directly competed with SuperCard 
using SuperCard itself.  Ironically enough, SC won the MacEddy award for 
"Best Multimedia Authoring Tool" in 1995, and Digital Chisel won that 
award in '96.  DC did well - at the expense of the company that provided 
90% of their tool's functionality.

Because of the impact DC had on SC sales, Allegiant Technologies (owners 
of SC at the time) negotiated an agreement with the makers of DC 
involving undisclosed royalty amounts in exchange for continued use of 
new versions of SC.

Every xTalk vendor learned from that moment, and each put into place 
their own means of dealing with it in their EULA and in their product.

MetaCard's solution (and since, LC's) was to use scriptLimits, seeking a 
balance between providing sufficient flexibility for most developers 
while reducing the likelihood of being able to make a product using MC 
which competes directly with MC.

But now that LC is the first major xTalk to go open source, it may be 
that these limits are no longer relevant.  LC's EULA still prohibits 
using LC's Commercial edition to make a product that directly competes 
with it, and of course the Community edition is governed by the GPL 
which grants all users the right to fork it however they like.

We'll see what the team says in response to my bug report, but either 
way it's all good to me.  The scriptLimits have never prevented me from 
shipping even complex apps, and Kevin has been very open about being 
willing to negotiate raising the scriptLimits for any serious developer 
who truly needs it; in fact, I think he did that once a few years ago 
for a developer making a product that relied on an unusual set of 
frontScripts.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From neil at runrev.com  Thu Feb 13 11:00:29 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:00:29 +0000
Subject: Android Test Won't Install
In-Reply-To: <23551D16-DB42-4FC4-B31E-933B6E89882C@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <23551D16-DB42-4FC4-B31E-933B6E89882C@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <52FCEC1D.20604@runrev.com>

Hi Dan,

I have managed to upgrade my SGS3 to 4.3 and have had no issues so far 
deploying to it as a test target. What method did you use to update to 
update your device and what version of the firmware did you upgrade too?

My firmware version is now I9300XXUGMK7

It is worth noting, that even though USB debug mode might be enabledfrom 
your previous Android version, you may need to still activate these 
developer options before so they shows within your "settings"---->"more" 
menu. To do this, navigate to "About Device" and tap your "Build Number" 
seven times. This should activate these options.
Kind Regards,?

Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
-

On 12/02/2014 18:32, Dan Friedman wrote:
> Roger,
>
> Yes. I did restart the device.  Also, the app was never installed since I couldn't get it installed via LC.  I was able to side-load the app on the device, and it did install.  So, there must be something goofy going on with LC and Android 4.3.  I'm sure you'll get it knocked out.
>
>> although this does seem to be device based as you are able to deploy to other devices without any issues.
> Only another device running an earlier version of Android.  Prior to updating to Android 4.3, I was able to deploy to this device with LC.  So, I doubt it's a device issue.  It must be a Android 4.3 issue.
>
> Although side-loading is a little bit of a pain, it's an acceptable workaround until this gets repaired.
>
> -Dan
>
>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> The best place to get support for issues such as this is via
>> support at runrev.com
>>   as messages sent there get filtered to our support team.
>>
>> I am in the process of trying to upgrade my Galaxy S3 to 4.3 so will
>> report back with my results, although this does seem to be device based
>> as you are able to deploy to other devices without any issues.
>>
>> Have you tried restarting the device since the upgrade? I would also
>> recommend removing any existing test LiveCode application in case there
>> is a conflict happening.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>> Neil Roger
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From endernafi at keehuna.com  Thu Feb 13 11:08:17 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:08:17 +0200
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <52FCE8C8.5050300@fourthworld.com>
References: <8A5C4EAB-64E4-4D7C-B5CF-0FD4F5C80F81@earthednet.org>
	<52FCE8C8.5050300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fcedf1.515f007c.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

I couldn?t decide which line to quote from Richard?s posts;
You know, because of the 15kb limit of list :)

In short, I?ve learned much.

For my situation, using library stacks is less convenient.
And the possibility of hooking chained behaviors to the backscripts seems very promising.
I already started to design my library from scratch to be more scalable and flexible.

By the way, Digital Chisel was an interesting story to read.


Thank you all,

~ Ender

From endernafi at keehuna.com  Thu Feb 13 11:19:35 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:19:35 +0200
Subject: Lock Screen on preOpenCard
Message-ID: <etPan.52fcf097.216231b.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

Hi all,

I?m navigating through cards with visual effect at all times.
And in the destination card?s preOpenCard handler I lock and unlock screen.

card1:
_on mouseUp
__lock screen for visual effect
__go card 2
__unlock screen with visual effect ?dissolve fast?
_end mouseUp

card2:
_on preOpenCard
__lock screen
__//do stuff
__unlock screen
_end preOpenCard


It came to my mind that the latter may be pointless,
former lock/unlock may encapsulate the second, hence the **pre**OpenCard.

The lock/unlock of the second card?s preOpenCard handler is redundant, isn?t it?


Thanks,

~ Ender

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Feb 13 11:16:40 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:16:40 -0800
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <52FCE8C8.5050300@fourthworld.com>
References: <8A5C4EAB-64E4-4D7C-B5CF-0FD4F5C80F81@earthednet.org>
	<52FCE8C8.5050300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1433845832.20140213081640@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Thursday, February 13, 2014, 7:46:16 AM, you wrote:

> There used to be limits; it remains to be seen if there still are, or if
> the Dictionary entry for scriptLimits just needs to be updated.

Last time I looked in the code, the script limits were commented out.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Feb 13 11:21:40 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 16:21:40 +0000
Subject: Lock Screen on preOpenCard
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fcf097.216231b.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fcf097.216231b.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W20EB3764D4C8C89A9B30F7ED9D0@phx.gbl>

Yes Ender, it is...

> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:19:35 +0200
> From: endernafi at keehuna.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Lock Screen on preOpenCard

> It came to my mind that the latter may be pointless,
> former lock/unlock may encapsulate the second, hence the **pre**OpenCard.
> 
> The lock/unlock of the second card?s preOpenCard handler is redundant, isn?t it?
> 
> Thanks,
> ~ Ender

 		 	   		  

From prothero at earthednet.org  Thu Feb 13 11:26:55 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 08:26:55 -0800
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <52FCE8C8.5050300@fourthworld.com>
References: <8A5C4EAB-64E4-4D7C-B5CF-0FD4F5C80F81@earthednet.org>
	<52FCE8C8.5050300@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4CE46D42-4E8F-4A78-B357-176989B14301@earthednet.org>

Richard,
My question was probably too elementary, but what I was really asking is:
Do all of the handlers in a single button script count as a single script, or is a single handler in the button script counted as a script, for purposes of scriptLimits.

If only 10 front scripts were allowed, the method wouldn't be very useful for library purposes.

Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Earthednet-wp wrote:
> 
> > I like the idea of putting libraries into buttons, then copying
> > them into the front script at startup. When you say there is a
> > limit of some number of scripts, what counts for a "script"? Is
> > a single script counted as all the handlers contained within a
> > single button?
> 
> There used to be limits; it remains to be seen if there still are, or if the Dictionary entry for scriptLimits just needs to be updated.
> 
> You can check out that entry for details, but in short there were the following limits when running in a standalone, which do not apply in the IDE:
> 
> 10 frontScripts
> 10 backScripts
> 50 libraries
> 10 executable lines in any string evaluated by "do" or "value"
> 
> The latter doesn't include comments, and if a single statement is written across multiple lines with a continuation character ("\") it still only counts as one line.
> 
> 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 13 12:06:11 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:06:11 -0800
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <4CE46D42-4E8F-4A78-B357-176989B14301@earthednet.org>
References: <4CE46D42-4E8F-4A78-B357-176989B14301@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <52FCFB83.8020000@fourthworld.com>

Earthednet-wp wrote:

 > Richard,
 > My question was probably too elementary, but what I was really asking
 > is:
 > Do all of the handlers in a single button script count as a single
 > script, or is a single handler in the button script counted as a
 > script, for purposes of scriptLimits.

There was no limit to the number of lines in a given frontScript, 
backScript, or library in terms of execution.

But when setting an object's script, the total number of executable 
lines had the same limit as for "do": ten executable lines, in any 
handler, comments and line wraps excluded.


 > If only 10 front scripts were allowed, the method wouldn't be very
 > useful for library purposes.

It was only 10 lines of *new* code, either through "do" or setting an 
object's script.   Both of those are fairly specialized cases, which is 
why we've not heard much of an uproar about scriptLimits in the 15+ year 
they were in place.

Any amount of code written in a licensed development environment prior 
to building the standalone has always been allowed.

And as Mark Wieder noted: "Last time I looked in the code, the script 
limits were commented out"

...so it looks like this is all just ancient history anyway.

(Thanks for that, Mark)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Thu Feb 13 12:11:18 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:11:18 +0200
Subject: Lock Screen on preOpenCard
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W20EB3764D4C8C89A9B30F7ED9D0@phx.gbl>
References: <etPan.52fcf097.216231b.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<DUB114-W20EB3764D4C8C89A9B30F7ED9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fcfcb6.140e0f76.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

Thanks, John?


~ Ender


From:?John Dixon John Dixon
Reply:?John Dixon dixonja at hotmail.co.uk
Date:?February 13, 2014 at 18:21:47
To:?How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:? RE: Lock Screen on preOpenCard  
Yes Ender, it is...  

> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:19:35 +0200  
> From: endernafi at keehuna.com  
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
> Subject: Lock Screen on preOpenCard  

> It came to my mind that the latter may be pointless,  
> former lock/unlock may encapsulate the second, hence the **pre**OpenCard.  
>  
> The lock/unlock of the second card?s preOpenCard handler is redundant, isn?t it?  
>  
> Thanks,  
> ~ Ender  


_______________________________________________  
use-livecode mailing list  
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Thu Feb 13 12:17:15 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:17:15 -0500
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <52FCFB83.8020000@fourthworld.com>
References: <4CE46D42-4E8F-4A78-B357-176989B14301@earthednet.org>
	<52FCFB83.8020000@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXOUTL+tpGyJ_Bb-eWEEt4vNMtPGEEdVqVF9zc0iwGsQ7w@mail.gmail.com>

Wasn't the ten lines of 'do' commands a very old demo version thing?...
Designed to keep testers from do-ing too much without buying the product?
And wasn't it removed long ago?

Questions, questions, questions...
~Roger
 On Feb 13, 2014 12:11 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> Earthednet-wp wrote:
>
> > Richard,
> > My question was probably too elementary, but what I was really asking
> > is:
> > Do all of the handlers in a single button script count as a single
> > script, or is a single handler in the button script counted as a
> > script, for purposes of scriptLimits.
>
> There was no limit to the number of lines in a given frontScript,
> backScript, or library in terms of execution.
>
> But when setting an object's script, the total number of executable lines
> had the same limit as for "do": ten executable lines, in any handler,
> comments and line wraps excluded.
>
>
> > If only 10 front scripts were allowed, the method wouldn't be very
> > useful for library purposes.
>
> It was only 10 lines of *new* code, either through "do" or setting an
> object's script.   Both of those are fairly specialized cases, which is why
> we've not heard much of an uproar about scriptLimits in the 15+ year they
> were in place.
>
> Any amount of code written in a licensed development environment prior to
> building the standalone has always been allowed.
>
> And as Mark Wieder noted: "Last time I looked in the code, the script
> limits were commented out"
>
> ...so it looks like this is all just ancient history anyway.
>
> (Thanks for that, Mark)
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 13 12:17:21 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:17:21 -0800
Subject: Problems with delete stack
In-Reply-To: <CF216286.3AD78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNV3CyxcBk0a2YtsEETQoYpS_ANr+T9kuuTe4MKpcDncQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF216286.3AD78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOFY9Z+X=LKg-e51orku=uOiW_if6=pbJzwAymrCxkTKA@mail.gmail.com>

I set destroyStack to true immediately before the delete stack command.
Although according to the dictionary, delete stack removes a stack from
memory if it's a main stack.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> If you want a stack to be removed from memory when it closes, it needs to
> have its destroyStack property enabled.  Also check to make sure no script
> from the closing stack is executing -- that could prevent the stack from
> closing completely.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
> On 2/12/14 4:24 PM, "Peter Haworth" <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> >I think I ran into this a while back but it's cropped up again.
> >
> >I have a script that deletes a stack from memory then opens it again from
> >a
> >different stack file.  When the new stack is loaded, I get the usual LC
> >message about duplicate stack names and what do I want to do about them.
> >
> >In itself, that's weird because delete stack should remove the stack from
> >memory.  I've also tried setting the destroystack property of the stack to
> >true before deleting it but same thing happens.
> >
> >What's even stranger is that the message asks what do I want to do with
> ><the new stack's filename> before loading <the old stack's filename>, when
> >it should be the other way round.  I guess that could just be a bug in the
> >message display handler.
> >
> >If I step through the script in debug, the problem doesn't occur.
> >
> >It seems some amount of time is needed for the stack to really be gone
> >from
> >memory, question is how much of a wait should I put in there?
> >
> >Pete
> >lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> >Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> >SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >_______________________________________________
> >use-livecode mailing list
> >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >subscription preferences:
> >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 13 12:24:44 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:24:44 -0600
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <A204B794-7369-4ED8-AC11-2869F30D1DC9@mac.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com>
	<52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>	<52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A204B794-7369-4ED8-AC11-2869F30D1DC9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <52FCFFDC.9030405@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/13/14, 5:51 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>>> I was wondering the same thing. How in the world does one program
>>> without the debugger?
>>>
>>> Jaw dropped.
> I graciously insert put commands when something isn't working as
> expected, then fix the problem and remove the puts again.

That's what we had to do in HyperCard 1.0. I was very happy when HC 
introduced its first debugger so that I didn't need to alter the script 
itself just to see what is going on. Debugging on mobile without a 
built-in debugger reminds me of those old times and I don't like it.

One thing I do all the time is to step through a new handler to see what 
it is doing. When I can see the values of the variables, I know what to 
expect. Usually I can tell when the next executable line will error and 
to avoid having to dismiss an error dialog and start over, I just change 
the value in the variable watcher to something that will work so that I 
can continue to step through and see what other problems might exist. 
When I'm done with that, I fix the handler so that the variable will be 
correct to begin with. That's really handy.

Sometimes handlers don't error but they also don't produce the results I 
expect. I just set a breakpoint and look at the values. The reason for 
the failure is usually quickly apparent.

I think I spend more time in the debugger than anywhere else. It speeds 
up development and there is also no risk of leaving stray "put"s in the 
scripts.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 13 12:29:20 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:29:20 -0600
Subject: Problems with delete stack
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOFY9Z+X=LKg-e51orku=uOiW_if6=pbJzwAymrCxkTKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNV3CyxcBk0a2YtsEETQoYpS_ANr+T9kuuTe4MKpcDncQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CF216286.3AD78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7eOFY9Z+X=LKg-e51orku=uOiW_if6=pbJzwAymrCxkTKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FD00F0.8030705@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/13/14, 11:17 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I set destroyStack to true immediately before the delete stack command.
> Although according to the dictionary, delete stack removes a stack from
> memory if it's a main stack.

The "delete stack" command should remove it from memory regardless of 
the destroystack setting. I do that all the time from the message box.

But the stack won't go away if there are any pending processes. Pending 
messages, open drivers (that's for apps usually,) handlers still 
running, or any other process still in progress will abort the closure.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 13 14:44:50 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:44:50 -0800
Subject: Problems with delete stack
In-Reply-To: <52FD00F0.8030705@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNV3CyxcBk0a2YtsEETQoYpS_ANr+T9kuuTe4MKpcDncQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF216286.3AD78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7eOFY9Z+X=LKg-e51orku=uOiW_if6=pbJzwAymrCxkTKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FD00F0.8030705@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO0j3hoMWUvZEReKeQKNy33=mrniANoENsVKbsoTsjzTw@mail.gmail.com>

Right, I don;t think there could be any processes running in the deleted
stack.  Is there a way to check if the delete stack command worked or not?
 Maybe the result?  There's no runtime error.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:29 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 2/13/14, 11:17 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> I set destroyStack to true immediately before the delete stack command.
>> Although according to the dictionary, delete stack removes a stack from
>> memory if it's a main stack.
>>
>
> The "delete stack" command should remove it from memory regardless of the
> destroystack setting. I do that all the time from the message box.
>
> But the stack won't go away if there are any pending processes. Pending
> messages, open drivers (that's for apps usually,) handlers still running,
> or any other process still in progress will abort the closure.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From cszasz at me.com  Thu Feb 13 15:05:52 2014
From: cszasz at me.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:05:52 -0500
Subject: Setting the textStyle of content of custom properties
Message-ID: <4F17060C-674C-4709-A5FA-6590AA702563@me.com>

I have some text in custom properties for a checkbox. How can I set the textStyle of text to bold through scripting?

Sent from my iPad


From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 13 15:26:35 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:26:35 -0800
Subject: Problems with delete stack
In-Reply-To: <52FD00F0.8030705@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNV3CyxcBk0a2YtsEETQoYpS_ANr+T9kuuTe4MKpcDncQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF216286.3AD78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7eOFY9Z+X=LKg-e51orku=uOiW_if6=pbJzwAymrCxkTKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FD00F0.8030705@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePrkuGTJ40ub4-9hNpwgqyrzei_CJK9tKRDaO6qweN2LQ@mail.gmail.com>

I tried wrapping the delete stack command in a try/catch but no error was
detected.

I also tried checking if the stack was in the mainStacks right after being
deleted and it's not.

I tried a wait command with various intervals right after the delete stack,
still same problem.

As mentioned in my original post, if I step through the code in the
debugger, everything works fine, at least most of the time.  Occasionally,
the debugger skips over several lines of code right after the delete stack
command.  I hate both those things!

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:29 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 2/13/14, 11:17 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> I set destroyStack to true immediately before the delete stack command.
>> Although according to the dictionary, delete stack removes a stack from
>> memory if it's a main stack.
>>
>
> The "delete stack" command should remove it from memory regardless of the
> destroystack setting. I do that all the time from the message box.
>
> But the stack won't go away if there are any pending processes. Pending
> messages, open drivers (that's for apps usually,) handlers still running,
> or any other process still in progress will abort the closure.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From john at splash21.com  Thu Feb 13 16:26:44 2014
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 21:26:44 +0000
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
Message-ID: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>

I've updated MobGUI to V1.22 - it now has a palette to set up the 
carousel control.
There's a short video demonstration at http://youtu.be/R1LOomoJSbU

I've also added another download to www.mobgui.com - the SVG icon files 
used to
create the mobguicons fonts.  For more info : 
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19125&p=96468#p96468

:D



From endernafi at keehuna.com  Thu Feb 13 17:17:54 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:17:54 +0200
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fd4492.4e6afb66.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

John hi,

Is v1.22 available for download / buy?
I downloaded the demo version but it?s v1.21 and it doesn?t have carousel control even as disabled.

Btw, I bought MobG?i 2 years ago; I didn?t it need at all thus not updated my license.
But that carousel control is game changer :)
It looks awesome.

So, is there any chance that you can provide it in the demo version maybe as a time-trial?

And the first question of course, when will it be available?


Best,

~ Ender


From:?John Craig John Craig
Reply:?John Craig john at splash21.com
Date:?February 13, 2014 at 23:27:15
To:?How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:? [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files  
I've updated MobGUI to V1.22 - it now has a palette to set up the  
carousel control.  
There's a short video demonstration at http://youtu.be/R1LOomoJSbU  

I've also added another download to www.mobgui.com - the SVG icon files  
used to  
create the mobguicons fonts. For more info :  
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19125&p=96468#p96468  

:D  

_______________________________________________  
use-livecode mailing list  
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  


From dunbarx at aol.com  Thu Feb 13 18:15:46 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:15:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Setting the textStyle of content of custom properties
In-Reply-To: <4F17060C-674C-4709-A5FA-6590AA702563@me.com>
References: <4F17060C-674C-4709-A5FA-6590AA702563@me.com>
Message-ID: <8D0F728A8D1152D-231C-AB74@webmail-d129.sysops.aol.com>

Hi.


The "styledText" or the "htmlText" should preserve the style. Run a few experiments.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Szasz <cszasz at me.com>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 3:07 pm
Subject: Setting the textStyle of content of custom properties


I have some text in custom properties for a checkbox. How can I set the 
textStyle of text to bold through scripting?

Sent from my iPad
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 13 20:12:18 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:12:18 +0800
Subject: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features and
	Essentials)
In-Reply-To: <52FBD622.3060000@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<etPan.52fbcc09.4353d0cd.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBD622.3060000@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khODJTBgs+DH2AVC9XqjHT-vfvTtL8cODyTfYt+5aV=gA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:14 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

>
> I almost decided to major in cultural anthropology in college, the field
> is so fascinating to me. Humans are a diverse breed, and yet we have far
> more in common with each other than we have differences.
>
> I'm certainly glad a smile is a smile and a laugh is a laugh the world
over. I was reading somewhere recently (can't find it) that another
universal, almost bordering on language, is the 'Uh' response. i.e. I don't
understand, I don't comprehend. Supposedly no matter your culture or
language, we all do this.

On the subject of pigs being clean but we use the term to mean messy, dogs
being man's best friend but used as an insult, a while back we had a
gentleman at our local church who worked in management for Disney.  Every
know and then I'd wryly ask him 'how's that Mickey Mouse outfit treating
you', he'd smile and tell me "very well". One day he confided with me that
Management at Disney were continually concerned and had failed to ever
figure out why it was that 'Mickey Mouse outfit' came to refer to something
dipolar to everything the company so diligently tried to represent.

It's an inexplicable world we live in; which is again why I'm so glad
smiling and laughter is universal.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 13 20:54:39 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:54:39 +0800
Subject: Lock Screen on preOpenCard
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fcf097.216231b.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fcf097.216231b.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kiKCH6T81Rv3DJoikT=NMRzzk8j0ujgs7TXcurB5E1udA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna
.com> wrote:

>
> The lock/unlock of the second card's preOpenCard handler is redundant,
> isn't it?
>
> For small or relatively simple stacks keeping track of lock/unlock pairs
is fairly straight forward. Once you get a little more complex you can run
the risk of piling up nested lock screen and then not having the visual
effect you desire when you unlock screen. I've found the easiest solution
is to:

if the lockScreen is false then lock screen

If you only ever use this then their will be no nested locked screens, so
you are only ever one command away from unlocking the screen.

if the lockScreen is true then unlock screen [with visual effect]

Then you don't have to bother about keeping track of pairs and can rest
easy at nights knowing that if left to the engine it only has to unlock
once when it goes idle - rather than having to wait a millisecond longer if
you had dozens of nested lock screen piled up.


From endernafi at keehuna.com  Thu Feb 13 21:03:18 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 04:03:18 +0200
Subject: Lock Screen on preOpenCard
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kiKCH6T81Rv3DJoikT=NMRzzk8j0ujgs7TXcurB5E1udA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fcf097.216231b.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CA+uh5kiKCH6T81Rv3DJoikT=NMRzzk8j0ujgs7TXcurB5E1udA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fd7966.3f2dba31.c52@fdbqRetina.local>


From:?Kay C Lan
> Then you don't have to bother about keeping track of pairs and can rest?
> easy at nights ...

Thank you Kay, that seems the most fail-proof solution and will definitely ease my mind :)

Best,

~ Ender

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Feb 13 21:10:45 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:10:45 +0000
Subject: For the record
Message-ID: <C8A060A8-2DFC-4FC1-A95C-54D27A86B42E@iotecdigital.com>

Just for the record, a little while ago I was wanting to know how to test a connection to a SQL database without actually running a query and incurring a long timeout. Turns out the problem was within my code. I call a function I wrote that was *supposed to* disconnect me from all active database connections using an sqlYoga call. Unbeknownst to me I was not referring to the name of the connection objects, but rather the database objects, which of course failed because not connections existed with the same name as the objects. (Those who understand sqlYoga will know what I?m talking about). 

In short it was my fault. That?s so no one thinks there is a problem in this regard with sqlYoga. Sorry Trevor. 

Bob


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Feb 13 21:53:53 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 02:53:53 +0000
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>

Aye, but the question was which form of repeat was more efficient. In fact your example proves the point which is, it?s the actual code inside the repeat loop that takes way more time than the form of repeat itself. 

What would really be of interest is comparing the form repeat for each word theWord of line x of tData to your example. So that is what I did:

on mouseUp
   put the ticks into line one of theTime
   put "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10" into tData
   repeat with i = 1 to 100000
      repeat with j = 1 to 10
         get word j of tData
      end repeat
   end repeat
   
   put the ticks into line 2 of theTime
   
   repeat with i = 1 to 100000
      repeat for each word theWord in tData
         get theWord
      end repeat
   end repeat
   
   put the ticks into line 3 of theTime
   put ("Example 1 took " & line 2 of theTime - line 1 of theTime)  & " ticks" into line 4 of theTime
   put ("Example 2 took " & line 3 of theTime - line 2 of theTime)  & " ticks" into line 5 of theTime
   put theTime
end mouseUp

produces:

83540744521
83540744546
83540744558
Example 1 took 25 ticks
Example 2 took 12 ticks

That is fairly substantial. 25/60th of a SECOND to do 100,000 iterations on the SLOW loop! And the second form really gets the value twice, but still completes in 8 ticks. The repeat loop with nothing it it took just over 1 tick. That is damn fast in my book! Faster than I would have guessed, and much faster than I will ever need. 

I suppose one could argue that some math calculations they can produce would dwarf my example, but then I would counter that just as LC is not a 3D graphics game development environment, so also it is not designed to produce lightning fast math apps. 

I?ve likened LC to a constructor set approach to application building before. As in building a house, if someone wanted complete design freedom to make the house exactly as they desired, they would want to use raw materials (C++, Java etc) but if they want to throw a functional house together quickly so they can get on with building other houses, they should probably get as much pre made as they can and piece it together. That is LC to me, and thank Runrev for it let me tell you! :-)

Bob


On Feb 11, 2014, at 09:28 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 2/11/14, 9:48 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> For small tasks though, your users will not even be able to blink
>> before 100,000 simple repeats are executed. I ran a 100,000 count
>> loop with nothing in the repeat loop to do and it took 1 tick. ONE
>> TICK! The repeat loop is NOT what slows things down!
> 
> Well, it depends. Try running your repeat loop with even a single line of code inside and use the form "repeat with x = 1 to 100000". That's the slowest way to do a repeat loop and I think you'll see a difference, particularly if the single line of code accesses any part of the current line. Every time through the loop, the engine has to count from 1 all over again.
> 
> For example, try this and compare with your previous results:
> 
> put my100000lineData into tData
> repeat with x = 1 to 100000
> get word 1 of line x of tData
> end repeat
> 
> If you get word 10 of each line it will slow down more while the engine counts not only the line number but also the word number.
> 
> Benchmarks would be interesting, if anyone has time to try it.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Feb 13 22:30:52 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 21:30:52 -0600
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fc8c9f.6b8b4567.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65903712268.20140212204113@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAKCLKtrz5h=WL46WwdJfaD0pm-qLJVvOa_V=bwHW3YtKRLMXBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fc8c9f.6b8b4567.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <C9C75C63-1DD1-4950-B206-D50785A96C05@gmail.com>

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2014, at 3:13 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:
> 
> I have used same algorithm both in C and Livecode
> and the results were ~29ms. vs ~8seconds.

As long as LC is dynamic (not compiled) it is unlikely to be as fast as C. 240x seems large, but I haven't compared to other languages to know what is reasonable. 

My point was more in comparison to other non-compiled languages, where tail recursion optimization is built in, so they are likely closer to C than LC for this. 

I've never heard of a language that memo-izes functions by default, but there are languages that make it trivial to do yourself, and that would be good. 

I just tested python on an ipad and it took about 30 seconds for fib(33). 


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 13 23:12:50 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 22:12:50 -0600
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/13/14, 8:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Aye, but the question was which form of repeat was more efficient.

I thought you said that any repeat loop was equal to another, and just 
pointed out that an empty loop (your original test) didn't mean much 
until you put some code in it.

It's pretty well established that the "for each" form is a magnitude 
faster than the counting form. I was just responding to this:

> I ran a 100,000 count
> loop with nothing in the repeat loop to do and it took 1 tick.

It was a trivial point: that an empty repeat loop of any form is going 
to be quick; it's the code inside that matters. In your examples, the 
code inside happens to be another repeat loop, but that's a different thing.

I suspect we're talking about the same thing and we don't know it. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From endernafi at keehuna.com  Thu Feb 13 23:37:06 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 06:37:06 +0200
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <C9C75C63-1DD1-4950-B206-D50785A96C05@gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65903712268.20140212204113@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAKCLKtrz5h=WL46WwdJfaD0pm-qLJVvOa_V=bwHW3YtKRLMXBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fc8c9f.6b8b4567.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<C9C75C63-1DD1-4950-B206-D50785A96C05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fd9d72.436c6125.c52@fdbqRetina.local>


Geoff:
> I just tested python on an ipad and it took about 30 seconds for fib(33).

30 seconds for Python, you say;
my, my, the plot?s getting thicker and thicker.

I tested with Livecode just now for an up-to-date comparison.
It?s 11 seconds for that base algorithm on iPhone 5S;
and 437 *micro* seconds for your optimized algorithm.

Btw, it?s 103 seconds and 3 milliseconds, respectively, on the iPod 4 which is a very weak device, of course.

iPhone 5S is probably more powerful than iPad -depending on its model-
but even if that is the case, I don?t think it?ll be much worse.

So, in my opinion, it won't be unjust to say that Livecode beats Python on mobile fair and square.
That?s kinda relief for me, I mean, it increases confidence to my choice of platform.


Geoff:
> As long as LC is dynamic (not compiled) it is unlikely to be as fast as C.

Expecting Livecode or any other RAD tool to be as fast as any low-level language, especially C, is a dream, of course; I?m aware of that.
Even Objective-C can?t be compared to C; I?ve read many showcases where Objective-C developers fall back to C for select demanding tasks.

However, your statement of *dynamic vs compiled* caught my attention.

I have no formal education in computer sciences, whatsoever; so I don?t know the core difference(s) between those concepts.

If I should understand by ?compiled??
that Livecode won?t be ?live? anymore?
and that I have to wait my script's compilation to see my work;
I?d happily sacrifice it for any level of performance bump.

But if ?dynamic and not-compiled? brings us?
the convenience of flexible type variables, ease of syntax, scripting the objects individually, etc.;
well, that?s a different story; I should shut my mouth immediately, then :)


~ Ender


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Feb 14 01:53:57 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 00:53:57 -0600
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <52FDBD85.3000207@hyperactivesw.com>

Oops. That reads way snarkier than it sounded in my head. Sorry.

On 2/13/14, 10:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/13/14, 8:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Aye, but the question was which form of repeat was more efficient.
>
> I thought you said that any repeat loop was equal to another, and just
> pointed out that an empty loop (your original test) didn't mean much
> until you put some code in it.
>
> It's pretty well established that the "for each" form is a magnitude
> faster than the counting form. I was just responding to this:
>
>> I ran a 100,000 count
>> loop with nothing in the repeat loop to do and it took 1 tick.
>
> It was a trivial point: that an empty repeat loop of any form is going
> to be quick; it's the code inside that matters. In your examples, the
> code inside happens to be another repeat loop, but that's a different
> thing.
>
> I suspect we're talking about the same thing and we don't know it. ;)
>


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Feb 14 02:15:27 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 08:15:27 +0100
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fd4492.4e6afb66.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fd4492.4e6afb66.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <27C8E652-2A03-4AC1-B9A7-E31572EE83D9@m-r-d.de>

Ender,

you can buy MobGui here

http://livecode.com/store/marketplace/mobgui/

The key you receive enables you to download 1.22 from the MobGui site.

Regards,

Matthias


Am 13.02.2014 um 23:17 schrieb Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com>:

> John hi,
> 
> Is v1.22 available for download / buy?
> I downloaded the demo version but it?s v1.21 and it doesn?t have carousel control even as disabled.
> 
> Btw, I bought MobG?i 2 years ago; I didn?t it need at all thus not updated my license.
> But that carousel control is game changer :)
> It looks awesome.
> 
> So, is there any chance that you can provide it in the demo version maybe as a time-trial?
> 
> And the first question of course, when will it be available?
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~ Ender
> 
> 
> From: John Craig John Craig
> Reply: John Craig john at splash21.com
> Date: February 13, 2014 at 23:27:15
> To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject:  [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files  
> I've updated MobGUI to V1.22 - it now has a palette to set up the  
> carousel control.  
> There's a short video demonstration at http://youtu.be/R1LOomoJSbU  
> 
> I've also added another download to www.mobgui.com - the SVG icon files  
> used to  
> create the mobguicons fonts. For more info :  
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19125&p=96468#p96468  
> 
> :D  
> 
> _______________________________________________  
> use-livecode mailing list  
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



Matthias Rebbe





From endernafi at keehuna.com  Fri Feb 14 04:04:56 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:04:56 +0200
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <27C8E652-2A03-4AC1-B9A7-E31572EE83D9@m-r-d.de>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fd4492.4e6afb66.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<27C8E652-2A03-4AC1-B9A7-E31572EE83D9@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fddc38.2443a858.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

Hi Matthias,

The carousel object didn?t exist in the demo version which I downloaded from mobgui.com yesterday;
and all announced additions are considerably big changes yet the version number increased just a fraction of hundredth {1.21 -> 1.22}.

So, I think it was a fair assumption that it still may not be available for download.

That was why I wanted to ask.
I take your answer as a yes and continue to update my license.


Best,

~ Ender



--?
Ender Nafi Elekcioglu
Sent with Airmail
From:?Matthias Rebbe Matthias Rebbe
Reply:?Matthias Rebbe matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de
Date:?February 14, 2014 at 9:15:52
To:?How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:? Re: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files  
Ender,  

you can buy MobGui here  

http://livecode.com/store/marketplace/mobgui/  

The key you receive enables you to download 1.22 from the MobGui site.  

Regards,  

Matthias  


Am 13.02.2014 um 23:17 schrieb Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com>:  

> John hi,  
>  
> Is v1.22 available for download / buy?  
> I downloaded the demo version but it?s v1.21 and it doesn?t have carousel control even as disabled.  
>  
> Btw, I bought MobG?i 2 years ago; I didn?t it need at all thus not updated my license.  
> But that carousel control is game changer :)  
> It looks awesome.  
>  
> So, is there any chance that you can provide it in the demo version maybe as a time-trial?  
>  
> And the first question of course, when will it be available?  
>  
>  
> Best,  
>  
> ~ Ender  
>  
>  
> From: John Craig John Craig  
> Reply: John Craig john at splash21.com  
> Date: February 13, 2014 at 23:27:15  
> To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
> Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files  
> I've updated MobGUI to V1.22 - it now has a palette to set up the  
> carousel control.  
> There's a short video demonstration at http://youtu.be/R1LOomoJSbU  
>  
> I've also added another download to www.mobgui.com - the SVG icon files  
> used to  
> create the mobguicons fonts. For more info :  
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19125&p=96468#p96468  
>  
> :D  
>  
> _______________________________________________  
> use-livecode mailing list  
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  
> _______________________________________________  
> use-livecode mailing list  
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  



Matthias Rebbe  



_______________________________________________  
use-livecode mailing list  
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  


From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Fri Feb 14 04:41:22 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:41:22 +0100
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fddc38.2443a858.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fd4492.4e6afb66.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<27C8E652-2A03-4AC1-B9A7-E31572EE83D9@m-r-d.de>
	<etPan.52fddc38.2443a858.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <DA677C1D-89C9-4EEB-87AC-DAEA3C553E6C@m-r-d.de>

Hi Ender,

please excuse, if i was not clear enough.

Yes, the carousel object is in V 1.22 available.

Regards

Matthias

Am 14.02.2014 um 10:04 schrieb Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com>:

> Hi Matthias,
> 
> The carousel object didn?t exist in the demo version which I downloaded from mobgui.com yesterday;
> and all announced additions are considerably big changes yet the version number increased just a fraction of hundredth {1.21 -> 1.22}.
> 
> So, I think it was a fair assumption that it still may not be available for download.
> 
> That was why I wanted to ask.
> I take your answer as a yes and continue to update my license.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~ Ender
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ender Nafi Elekcioglu
> Sent with Airmail
> From: Matthias Rebbe Matthias Rebbe
> Reply: Matthias Rebbe matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de
> Date: February 14, 2014 at 9:15:52
> To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject:  Re: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files  
> Ender,  
> 
> you can buy MobGui here  
> 
> http://livecode.com/store/marketplace/mobgui/  
> 
> The key you receive enables you to download 1.22 from the MobGui site.  
> 
> Regards,  
> 
> Matthias  
> 
> 
> Am 13.02.2014 um 23:17 schrieb Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com>:  
> 
>> John hi,  
>> 
>> Is v1.22 available for download / buy?  
>> I downloaded the demo version but it?s v1.21 and it doesn?t have carousel control even as disabled.  
>> 
>> Btw, I bought MobG?i 2 years ago; I didn?t it need at all thus not updated my license.  
>> But that carousel control is game changer :)  
>> It looks awesome.  
>> 
>> So, is there any chance that you can provide it in the demo version maybe as a time-trial?  
>> 
>> And the first question of course, when will it be available?  
>> 
>> 
>> Best,  
>> 
>> ~ Ender  
>> 
>> 
>> From: John Craig John Craig  
>> Reply: John Craig john at splash21.com  
>> Date: February 13, 2014 at 23:27:15  
>> To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
>> Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files  
>> I've updated MobGUI to V1.22 - it now has a palette to set up the  
>> carousel control.  
>> There's a short video demonstration at http://youtu.be/R1LOomoJSbU  
>> 
>> I've also added another download to www.mobgui.com - the SVG icon files  
>> used to  
>> create the mobguicons fonts. For more info :  
>> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19125&p=96468#p96468  
>> 
>> :D  
>> 
>> _______________________________________________  
>> use-livecode mailing list  
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  
>> _______________________________________________  
>> use-livecode mailing list  
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe  
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________  
> use-livecode mailing list  
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



Matthias Rebbe





From john at splash21.com  Fri Feb 14 05:37:06 2014
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:37:06 +0000
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fd4492.4e6afb66.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fd4492.4e6afb66.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FDF1D2.9070800@splash21.com>

Hi, Ender - sorry for the confusion.  Yes, V1.22 is available to 
download with the carousel control.  The old plugin had an unlimited 
free trial to let you evaluate it - so you never had to buy a license 
unless it met your needs.  Since the new plugin isn't password 
protected, it never had a free trial - until recently!  The trial 
version is a chopped down version to try and give a feel of how the 
plugin works.  I tagged the version number onto the trial just to 
reference which version it was created from - I'll add some text to the 
downloads to explain things better.  If you want to test the carousel, 
it's already available from here;

http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14747

It's the same carousel, so hopefully the demo stack will allow you to 
judge if it will work for your needs!


--- You wrote ---
 > But that carousel control is game changer :)
 > It looks awesome.

Thanks - it's great to see something received warmly - hopefully it will 
live up to expectations!!

John.


On 13/02/2014 22:17, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:
> John hi,
>
> Is v1.22 available for download / buy?
> I downloaded the demo version but it?s v1.21 and it doesn?t have 
> carousel control even as disabled.
>
> Btw, I bought MobG?i 2 years ago; I didn?t it need at all thus not 
> updated my license.
> But that carousel control is game changer :)
> It looks awesome.
>
> So, is there any chance that you can provide it in the demo version 
> maybe as a time-trial?
>
> And the first question of course, when will it be available?
>
>
> Best,
>
> ~ Ender
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>



From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Fri Feb 14 06:11:43 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:11:43 +0000
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fd4492.4e6afb66.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>,
	<etPan.52fd4492.4e6afb66.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <63C00ACA-040B-49A5-97F3-D2076B92BC64@westrac.com.au>

Awesome work John,
I have been contemplating attempting to add a 'click' sound to the carousel similar to the mobile picker.. 



Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Feb 2014, at 9:18 am, "Ender Nafi Elekcioglu" <endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:
> 
> John hi,
> 
> Is v1.22 available for download / buy?
> I downloaded the demo version but it?s v1.21 and it doesn?t have carousel control even as disabled.
> 
> Btw, I bought MobG?i 2 years ago; I didn?t it need at all thus not updated my license.
> But that carousel control is game changer :)
> It looks awesome.
> 
> So, is there any chance that you can provide it in the demo version maybe as a time-trial?
> 
> And the first question of course, when will it be available?
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~ Ender
> 
> 
> From: John Craig John Craig
> Reply: John Craig john at splash21.com
> Date: February 13, 2014 at 23:27:15
> To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject:  [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files  
> I've updated MobGUI to V1.22 - it now has a palette to set up the  
> carousel control.  
> There's a short video demonstration at http://youtu.be/R1LOomoJSbU  
> 
> I've also added another download to www.mobgui.com - the SVG icon files  
> used to  
> create the mobguicons fonts. For more info :  
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19125&p=96468#p96468  
> 
> :D  
> 
> _______________________________________________  
> use-livecode mailing list  
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From endernafi at keehuna.com  Fri Feb 14 06:30:13 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:30:13 +0200
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <52FDF1D2.9070800@splash21.com>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fd4492.4e6afb66.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FDF1D2.9070800@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fdfe46.189a769b.c52@fdbqRetina.local>


Matthias:
> please excuse, if i was not clear enough.?

Actually, you were clear but I didn?t want any other reader to think that I haven?t even tried to download it in the first place :)


John:
> I?ll add some text to the downloads to explain things better.

That would be useful.


John:
> It's the same carousel, so hopefully the demo stack will allow you to judge if it will work for your needs!


It?s far better than I expected, John.
It?ll clearly find a place in one of my future projects; can?t thank you enough.
Unfortunately, I couldn?t yet complete the purchase because of a some technical issue with PayPal.

In the meantime, I?ll dig into your script.


Regards,

~ Ender

From john at splash21.com  Fri Feb 14 06:55:57 2014
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:55:57 +0000
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <52FE044D.4050009@splash21.com>

Just noticed two stray puts in the carousel behavior script: lines 255 & 
309.  I'll make sure those are removed for the next update.


On 13/02/2014 21:26, John Craig wrote:
> I've updated MobGUI to V1.22 - it now has a palette to set up the 
> carousel control.
> There's a short video demonstration at http://youtu.be/R1LOomoJSbU
>
> I've also added another download to www.mobgui.com - the SVG icon 
> files used to
> create the mobguicons fonts.  For more info : 
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19125&p=96468#p96468
>
> :D
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>




From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 14 07:57:58 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:57:58 +0100
Subject: Mobile: go stack X in window of stack Y with visual effect
Message-ID: <A40AC667-F1D0-4F27-A148-5EC5483DD345@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

1. I have a stack "stack1" and a substack "stack2"
2. "stack1" only has one button
3. When I use this in the button script:

on mouseUp
   lock screen for visual effect
   go stack "stack2" in window of stack "stack1"
   unlock screen with visual effect push left very fast
end mouseUp

it works fine in the IDE but strange things happen in the iOS simulator.

-> Visual effect takes place and goes to "stack2"
-> But then immeditately "stack1" appears again and 
-> the (only) button is still highlighted (!?) and the app "hangs" :-(

According to the dictionary this should also work on the mobile platform.

Any ideas before I bug report this? Thanks!


Best

Klaus


--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Fri Feb 14 08:25:10 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 15:25:10 +0200
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <52FE044D.4050009@splash21.com>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
 <52FE044D.4050009@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fe1937.3006c83e.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

I want to barge in here and say that I?ve added click sounds to it as seen in picker wheel of iOS.
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14747#p96514

Hope I didn?t cross any lines, here.

John,
I didn?t get your permission beforehand;
so if you wish, I can remove that post immediately.

By the way, I've marked my additions with my name in order to prevent any confusion.
If any problem occurs, first remove or comment out my additions.
I haven't done any change or removal to the original code.

Best,

~ Ender

From:?Nakia Brewer?Nakia Brewer
Reply:?Nakia Brewer?nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au
Date:?February 14, 2014 at 13:12:42
To:?How to use LiveCode?use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:??Re: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files?
Awesome work John,?
I have been contemplating attempting to add a 'click' sound to the carousel similar to the mobile picker..?



From john at splash21.com  Fri Feb 14 09:07:53 2014
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 14:07:53 +0000
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fe1937.3006c83e.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com> <52FE044D.4050009@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fe1937.3006c83e.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FE2339.4050903@splash21.com>

Hi, Ender - it's GPL - you're free to do anything to it ;)
You can sell your version with sounds if you like!!

(I'm just happy that it's getting a 'thumbs up')

I'd like to get some more animated controls added - the pie isn't far 
away...
http://youtu.be/4HBlpOch3lE


On 14/02/2014 13:25, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:
> I want to barge in here and say that I?ve added click sounds to it as 
> seen in picker wheel of iOS.
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14747#p96514
>
> Hope I didn?t cross any lines, here.
>
> John,
> I didn?t get your permission beforehand;
> so if you wish, I can remove that post immediately.
>
> By the way, I've marked my additions with my name in order to prevent 
> any confusion.
> If any problem occurs, first remove or comment out my additions.
> I haven't done any change or removal to the original code.
>
> Best,
>
> ~ Ender
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Nakia Brewer Nakia Brewer <mailto:nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au>
> Reply: Nakia Brewer nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au 
> <mailto:nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au>
> Date: February 14, 2014 at 13:12:42
> To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com 
> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject:  Re: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
>> Awesome work John,
>> I have been contemplating attempting to add a 'click' sound to the 
>> carousel similar to the mobile picker..
>>



From john at splash21.com  Fri Feb 14 09:17:24 2014
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 14:17:24 +0000
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fe1937.3006c83e.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com> <52FE044D.4050009@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fe1937.3006c83e.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FE2574.9060508@splash21.com>

I had a look and it's pretty cool with the clicking ;)

I wonder if it was modified so that the images were rotated as they move 
around the carousel if a roulette wheel could be created.....


On 14/02/2014 13:25, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:
> I want to barge in here and say that I?ve added click sounds to it as 
> seen in picker wheel of iOS.
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14747#p96514
>
> Hope I didn?t cross any lines, here.
>
> John,
> I didn?t get your permission beforehand;
> so if you wish, I can remove that post immediately.
>
> By the way, I've marked my additions with my name in order to prevent 
> any confusion.
> If any problem occurs, first remove or comment out my additions.
> I haven't done any change or removal to the original code.
>
> Best,
>
> ~ Ender
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Nakia Brewer Nakia Brewer <mailto:nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au>
> Reply: Nakia Brewer nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au 
> <mailto:nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au>
> Date: February 14, 2014 at 13:12:42
> To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com 
> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject:  Re: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
>> Awesome work John,
>> I have been contemplating attempting to add a 'click' sound to the 
>> carousel similar to the mobile picker..
>>



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Feb 14 09:19:54 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:19:54 -0500
Subject: For the record
In-Reply-To: <C8A060A8-2DFC-4FC1-A95C-54D27A86B42E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <C8A060A8-2DFC-4FC1-A95C-54D27A86B42E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG_N2H8sEuWOE+jwPF0tpFfeFWUpBR8ErVMMT4BdiYWWcw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

>
> In short it was my fault. That's so no one thinks there is a problem in
> this regard with sqlYoga. Sorry Trevor.
>

You are forgiven Bob ;-)

Carry on.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Fri Feb 14 09:23:04 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 09:23:04 -0500
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>


> On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:12 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> It's pretty well established that the "for each" form is a magnitude faster than the counting form.

Nitpicking, but "[order of] magnitude" doesn't come close to covering the efficiency. The example Bob gave, since there were only ten items in the line, dramatically *understates* the benefits of repeat for each, which scales with the length of the source. A 1,000 or 100,000 item source would show much more than a magnitude of improvement.


From endernafi at keehuna.com  Fri Feb 14 09:25:44 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:25:44 +0200
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <52FE2574.9060508@splash21.com>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com> <52FE044D.4050009@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fe1937.3006c83e.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FE2574.9060508@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fe2768.3855585c.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

Why not?
It?ll be a nice add-on and definitely give a different depth feel.

Maybe you can update MobG?i with these features.
Giving an option for sound click
and another option for Rotating the images or Keeping them faced towards user -as it is now-.

Won?t be easy, though; keeping the overall effect smooth will be hardest part, I guess.
Even adding sounds slowed the carousel down and made it jumpy on the iPod 4 {my weakest test device}.


Best,

~ Ender

From:?John Craig John Craig
Reply:?John Craig john at splash21.com
Date:?February 14, 2014 at 16:17:42
To:?How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:? Re: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files  
I had a look and it's pretty cool with the clicking ;)

I wonder if it was modified so that the images were rotated as they move  
around the carousel if a roulette wheel could be created.....


On 14/02/2014 13:25, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:
> I want to barge in here and say that I?ve added click sounds to it as  
> seen in picker wheel of iOS.
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14747#p96514
>
> Hope I didn?t cross any lines, here.
>
> John,
> I didn?t get your permission beforehand;
> so if you wish, I can remove that post immediately.
>
> By the way, I've marked my additions with my name in order to prevent  
> any confusion.
> If any problem occurs, first remove or comment out my additions.
> I haven't done any change or removal to the original code.
>
> Best,
>
> ~ Ender
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Nakia Brewer Nakia Brewer <mailto:nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au>
> Reply: Nakia Brewer nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au  
> <mailto:nakia.brewer at westrac.com.au>
> Date: February 14, 2014 at 13:12:42
> To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
>> Awesome work John,
>> I have been contemplating attempting to add a 'click' sound to the  
>> carousel similar to the mobile picker..
>>

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

From gcanyon at gmail.com  Fri Feb 14 10:45:30 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:45:30 -0500
Subject: Defining Pet Features and Essentials
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fd9d72.436c6125.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<CAKCLKtrWa7fa8dXpNOdM6AtLQubSXdJXN2dubVxyp0sXHAeaFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65903712268.20140212204113@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAKCLKtrz5h=WL46WwdJfaD0pm-qLJVvOa_V=bwHW3YtKRLMXBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fc8c9f.6b8b4567.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<C9C75C63-1DD1-4950-B206-D50785A96C05@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fd9d72.436c6125.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <6D30C24E-CCD4-4D36-BAE1-03A488D628F9@gmail.com>

For comparison/a look at what's possible, check out Julia:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language)

It has some feature overlap with LC, and compiles to be comparable with C on many performance measurements. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:37 PM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Geoff:
>> I just tested python on an ipad and it took about 30 seconds for fib(33).
> 
> 30 seconds for Python, you say;
> my, my, the plot?s getting thicker and thicker.
> 
> I tested with Livecode just now for an up-to-date comparison.
> It?s 11 seconds for that base algorithm on iPhone 5S;
> and 437 *micro* seconds for your optimized algorithm.
> 
> Btw, it?s 103 seconds and 3 milliseconds, respectively, on the iPod 4 which is a very weak device, of course.
> 
> iPhone 5S is probably more powerful than iPad -depending on its model-
> but even if that is the case, I don?t think it?ll be much worse.
> 
> So, in my opinion, it won't be unjust to say that Livecode beats Python on mobile fair and square.
> That?s kinda relief for me, I mean, it increases confidence to my choice of platform.
> 
> 
> Geoff:
>> As long as LC is dynamic (not compiled) it is unlikely to be as fast as C.
> 
> Expecting Livecode or any other RAD tool to be as fast as any low-level language, especially C, is a dream, of course; I?m aware of that.
> Even Objective-C can?t be compared to C; I?ve read many showcases where Objective-C developers fall back to C for select demanding tasks.
> 
> However, your statement of *dynamic vs compiled* caught my attention.
> 
> I have no formal education in computer sciences, whatsoever; so I don?t know the core difference(s) between those concepts.
> 
> If I should understand by ?compiled? 
> that Livecode won?t be ?live? anymore 
> and that I have to wait my script's compilation to see my work;
> I?d happily sacrifice it for any level of performance bump.
> 
> But if ?dynamic and not-compiled? brings us 
> the convenience of flexible type variables, ease of syntax, scripting the objects individually, etc.;
> well, that?s a different story; I should shut my mouth immediately, then :)
> 
> 
> ~ Ender
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From john at splash21.com  Fri Feb 14 11:07:14 2014
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:07:14 +0000
Subject: Sound effects causing iOS apps to stutter
In-Reply-To: <etPan.52fe2768.3855585c.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com> <52FE044D.4050009@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fe1937.3006c83e.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FE2574.9060508@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fe2768.3855585c.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <52FE3F32.2070208@splash21.com>

iOS sounds are an interesting case...

I've noticed in the past (experimenting with game apps) that playing 
sound effects causes a very noticable stutter if you are animating 
objects.  There must be some kind of initialization being done when you 
transition from having no sounds playing to a sound effect playing on a 
channel - it seems to happen every time you play a sound.  The animation 
loop suffers and the nasty stutter becomes obvious.

Happily, there is a solution - which is to have a background track 
playing.  This seems to negate the need for whatever initialization was 
required before : as long as the background track is playing on a 
channel, any sound effects you play on other channels don't cause the 
stutter.   You can even play an empty background track - or something 
set at volume 0.  As long as the track isn't too short, things should be 
OK - now and again there will be a short grey period where the 
background track has to loop.




On 14/02/2014 14:25, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote:
> Why not?
> It?ll be a nice add-on and definitely give a different depth feel.
>
> Maybe you can update MobG?i with these features.
> Giving an option for sound click
> and another option for Rotating the images or Keeping them faced 
> towards user -as it is now-.
>
> Won?t be easy, though; keeping the overall effect smooth will be 
> hardest part, I guess.
> Even adding sounds slowed the carousel down and made it jumpy on the 
> iPod 4 {my weakest test device}.
>
>
> Best,
>
> ~ Ender
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: John Craig John Craig <mailto:john at splash21.com>
> Reply: John Craig john at splash21.com <mailto:john at splash21.com>
> Date: February 14, 2014 at 16:17:42
> To: How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com 
> <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
>> I had a look and it's pretty cool with the clicking ;)
>>
>> I wonder if it was modified so that the images were rotated as they move
>> around the carousel if a roulette wheel could be created.....
>>



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Feb 14 11:37:40 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:37:40 +0000
Subject: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features and
	Essentials)
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5khODJTBgs+DH2AVC9XqjHT-vfvTtL8cODyTfYt+5aV=gA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<04DE5BC9-F7E5-42CE-B709-EEB1B11F8B6C@gmail.com>
	<308F47E9-6CB9-4E9E-B32B-2FD77CB8644D@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fae7c5.3d1b58ba.ca4@fdbqRetina.local>
	<31201578-FA67-48AC-9333-BF09C3DE4E79@splash21.com>
	<etPan.52fb502c.643c9869.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb515d.2ae8944a.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fb519b.238e1f29.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FB68F6.6050209@gmail.com>
	<etPan.52fb6dab.515f007c.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBC5AE.5080909@hyperactivesw.com>
	<etPan.52fbcc09.4353d0cd.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<etPan.52fbcd49.189a769b.196@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FBD622.3060000@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CA+uh5khODJTBgs+DH2AVC9XqjHT-vfvTtL8cODyTfYt+5aV=gA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7AD7C5FD-5CE9-490A-AD88-FF0DFAD2365F@byu.edu>


On Feb 13, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
 wrote:

> I'm certainly glad a smile is a smile and a laugh is a laugh the world
> over. I was reading somewhere recently (can't find it) that another
> universal, almost bordering on language, is the 'Uh' response. i.e. I don't
> understand, I don't comprehend. Supposedly no matter your culture or
> language, we all do this.
> 
> On the subject of pigs being clean but we use the term to mean messy, dogs
> being man's best friend but used as an insult, a while back we had a
> gentleman at our local church who worked in management for Disney.  Every
> know and then I'd wryly ask him 'how's that Mickey Mouse outfit treating
> you', he'd smile and tell me "very well". One day he confided with me that
> Management at Disney were continually concerned and had failed to ever
> figure out why it was that 'Mickey Mouse outfit' came to refer to something
> dipolar to everything the company so diligently tried to represent.
> 
> It's an inexplicable world we live in; which is again why I'm so glad
> smiling and laughter is universal.

Thanks for a *smile* to start my day, Kay. 

Devin



Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From livecode at trueinsecurity.com  Fri Feb 14 12:29:25 2014
From: livecode at trueinsecurity.com (John Brozycki)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 12:29:25 -0500
Subject: How to install under Elementary of Mint Linux
Message-ID: <57679915-8EBE-4EDB-8389-6014AADD331D@trueinsecurity.com>

Sorry for the likely dumb question: How do you install Livecode under 64-bit Linux?  Specifically, I'm trying the latest versions of Elementary and Mint, which are Ubuntu derived.  The Livecode download (Commercial or Community) are .x86 files.  Changing the properties to allow execution doesn't help, and that's about all I've been able to find online.

Running:
./LivecodeCommunityInstaller-6_5_0-Linux.86 

(also tried: sudo ./LivecodeCommunityInstaller-6_5_0-Linux.86)

...seems to produce a file called:

LivecodeCommunityInstaller-6_5_0-Linux.86~

...which I can't seem to do anything with.

I'm unsure if these OSes can't run 32-bit code, or if it's me.  I've exhausted my Google-fu.  Help!

Appreciatively,
John


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb 14 13:18:50 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:18:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: How to install under Elementary of Mint Linux
References: <57679915-8EBE-4EDB-8389-6014AADD331D@trueinsecurity.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20140214T191419-716@post.gmane.org>

John Brozycki <livecode at ...> writes:

> Sorry for the likely dumb question: How do you install Livecode under
64-bit Linux? 

Runrev hasn't yet seen fit to release a 64-bit binary, so your best option
is to install the ia32lib libraries from the usual repos.

You still have to set the executable bit on the downloaded binary, and if
you don't have gksu installed and you want to install for all users you'll
have to su and run the installer from a commandline.


-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com






From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb 14 13:25:15 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 10:25:15 -0800
Subject: Problems with delete stack
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePrkuGTJ40ub4-9hNpwgqyrzei_CJK9tKRDaO6qweN2LQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNV3CyxcBk0a2YtsEETQoYpS_ANr+T9kuuTe4MKpcDncQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF216286.3AD78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7eOFY9Z+X=LKg-e51orku=uOiW_if6=pbJzwAymrCxkTKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FD00F0.8030705@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7ePrkuGTJ40ub4-9hNpwgqyrzei_CJK9tKRDaO6qweN2LQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMrMPP3VQdH2D51C-mDEPyJQv-DgRZZOxJRJNnYFmxy3w@mail.gmail.com>

After inserting some put statements at various points in my code, it's
clear that nothing in my script is being executed after the delete stack
command when run normally.  When run by stepping through the code in debug,
everything works.

I have also found that locking messages before the delete stack and
unlocking them after the open command makes things work correctly, but
that's not really a viable option since it stops any (pre)open handlers
executing on open.

Can anyone provide any insight into this very strange situation?




Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I tried wrapping the delete stack command in a try/catch but no error was
> detected.
>
> I also tried checking if the stack was in the mainStacks right after being
> deleted and it's not.
>
> I tried a wait command with various intervals right after the delete
> stack, still same problem.
>
> As mentioned in my original post, if I step through the code in the
> debugger, everything works fine, at least most of the time.  Occasionally,
> the debugger skips over several lines of code right after the delete stack
> command.  I hate both those things!
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:29 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
>
>> On 2/13/14, 11:17 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>
>>> I set destroyStack to true immediately before the delete stack command.
>>> Although according to the dictionary, delete stack removes a stack from
>>> memory if it's a main stack.
>>>
>>
>> The "delete stack" command should remove it from memory regardless of the
>> destroystack setting. I do that all the time from the message box.
>>
>> But the stack won't go away if there are any pending processes. Pending
>> messages, open drivers (that's for apps usually,) handlers still running,
>> or any other process still in progress will abort the closure.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>


From ben at runrev.com  Fri Feb 14 13:05:43 2014
From: ben at runrev.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:05:43 +0000
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
Message-ID: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members.

We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.6 DP1.

Warning, this is a pre-release with new features which have the potential
to cause issues. Please ensure you backup your stacks before testing this
release.

*Important Changes*

   1. *Tiger support dropped*. As of version 6.6-dp-1, OS 10.4 (Tiger)
   support has been dropped from LiveCode. This is primarily for technical
   reasons: In order to support the latest OS X features (e.g. Cocoa -
   LiveCode 6.7 - coming soon) as well as include the newest versions of
   thirdparty libraries (e.g. LibSkia, LibSQLite), dropping 10.4 support was
   required. Users wishing to produce 10.4 compatible executables can still do
   so using LiveCode version 6.5.x (and earlier).

*Release Contents*
This development release contains the following changes:

   - 'assert' command (experimental)
   - New **showAll** fullscreenmode.
   - Hi-DPI support for Windows 7/8 and OSX.
   - Image Filtering Updates
   - Graphics Library Update
   - OpenSSL & Encryption Updates
   - '#!' now recognised by server
   - SQLite support updated and improved
   - Stack scaling
   - OS 10.4 (Tiger) Support dropped
   - 14 bug fixes:
      - 11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store
      - 11751 - After selecting an item in an option menu containing
      unicode, the label is corrupted (Mac only)
      - 11732 - <> operator is different from \'is not\' operator for arrays
      - 11721 - Crash when taking a snapshot of the template graphic
      - 11720 - SQLite FTS feature doesn't work on iOS or Mac.
      - 11703 - iPhoneSetRemoteControlDisplay crashes
      - 11462 - Failing to set image data to the image data of self
      - 11124 - No error message when external not found when deploying to
      simulator
      - 11069 - mobileComposeMail attachment missing in Android
      - 10910 - \"Crop image\" command crashes LiveCode application
      - 10467 - Indenting of scripts can go wrong
      - 10280 - SQLite binary entries are non-standard.
      - 8044 - setting a cprop with quotes loses data
      - 5331 - Mac live window resizing is off by default.

*Planned changed for DP2*
- Proxy support

*Known Issues*
- Text scaling/clipping on Linux with stack scale set

*Sample Stacks*
We have included 3 sample stack demonstrating some of the new
features/improvements in this release:
- Stack showing effect of changes in image quality
- Stack showing effect of fullscreenmode on desktop
- Stack showing effect of stack scale on desktop

*Getting this release*
To upgrade to this release please select "check for updates" from the help
menu in LiveCode or download the installers directly at:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

*Reporting Bugs*
If you encounter an issue with this release please submit a bug report to
our quality centre: http://quality.runrev.com/enter_bug.cgi

Warm regards,

The LiveCode Team


From andrew at ctech.me  Fri Feb 14 13:52:15 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 12:52:15 -0600
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft8J_Wk_UMZSLHi-bvJ1h9e_anu9mEGbjaYL3=MTdYf=-A@mail.gmail.com>

Im sure there are some people very excited about the sqlite update. Very
cool.


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear List Members.
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.6 DP1.
>
> Warning, this is a pre-release with new features which have the potential
> to cause issues. Please ensure you backup your stacks before testing this
> release.
>
> *Important Changes*
>
>    1. *Tiger support dropped*. As of version 6.6-dp-1, OS 10.4 (Tiger)
>    support has been dropped from LiveCode. This is primarily for technical
>    reasons: In order to support the latest OS X features (e.g. Cocoa -
>    LiveCode 6.7 - coming soon) as well as include the newest versions of
>    thirdparty libraries (e.g. LibSkia, LibSQLite), dropping 10.4 support
> was
>    required. Users wishing to produce 10.4 compatible executables can
> still do
>    so using LiveCode version 6.5.x (and earlier).
>
> *Release Contents*
> This development release contains the following changes:
>
>    - 'assert' command (experimental)
>    - New **showAll** fullscreenmode.
>    - Hi-DPI support for Windows 7/8 and OSX.
>    - Image Filtering Updates
>    - Graphics Library Update
>    - OpenSSL & Encryption Updates
>    - '#!' now recognised by server
>    - SQLite support updated and improved
>    - Stack scaling
>    - OS 10.4 (Tiger) Support dropped
>    - 14 bug fixes:
>       - 11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store
>       - 11751 - After selecting an item in an option menu containing
>       unicode, the label is corrupted (Mac only)
>       - 11732 - <> operator is different from \'is not\' operator for
> arrays
>       - 11721 - Crash when taking a snapshot of the template graphic
>       - 11720 - SQLite FTS feature doesn't work on iOS or Mac.
>       - 11703 - iPhoneSetRemoteControlDisplay crashes
>       - 11462 - Failing to set image data to the image data of self
>       - 11124 - No error message when external not found when deploying to
>       simulator
>       - 11069 - mobileComposeMail attachment missing in Android
>       - 10910 - \"Crop image\" command crashes LiveCode application
>       - 10467 - Indenting of scripts can go wrong
>       - 10280 - SQLite binary entries are non-standard.
>       - 8044 - setting a cprop with quotes loses data
>       - 5331 - Mac live window resizing is off by default.
>
> *Planned changed for DP2*
> - Proxy support
>
> *Known Issues*
> - Text scaling/clipping on Linux with stack scale set
>
> *Sample Stacks*
> We have included 3 sample stack demonstrating some of the new
> features/improvements in this release:
> - Stack showing effect of changes in image quality
> - Stack showing effect of fullscreenmode on desktop
> - Stack showing effect of stack scale on desktop
>
> *Getting this release*
> To upgrade to this release please select "check for updates" from the help
> menu in LiveCode or download the installers directly at:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>
> *Reporting Bugs*
> If you encounter an issue with this release please submit a bug report to
> our quality centre: http://quality.runrev.com/enter_bug.cgi
>
> Warm regards,
>
> The LiveCode Team
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb 14 14:14:06 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:14:06 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePu0N=R43=UE2z0mawS=Dx8jVq2p=Fe5cAFtU3kax-OSA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com> wrote:

>  - SQLite support updated and improved


YES!!!!!!!!

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb 14 14:22:59 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 11:22:59 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePu0N=R43=UE2z0mawS=Dx8jVq2p=Fe5cAFtU3kax-OSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePu0N=R43=UE2z0mawS=Dx8jVq2p=Fe5cAFtU3kax-OSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOgOELfWNPLBtSPhx4mgUdvQb9Rzch9YAZco+HYmPLiSA@mail.gmail.com>

I see in the release notes that the hope is to include the 3.8.3 version of
the SQLite library in the final release of 6.6.  One of the very cool new
features in sqlite 3.8.3 is recursive SELECT statements.  Think expanding a
bill of materials or a manager/employee chart with one SELECT statement.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com>wrote:
>
>>  - SQLite support updated and improved
>
>
> YES!!!!!!!!
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Feb 14 14:26:55 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:26:55 +0000
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63255C57-FBF5-4885-9190-F80F3938772C@byu.edu>


On Feb 14, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com> wrote:

> *Sample Stacks*
> We have included 3 sample stack demonstrating some of the new
> features/improvements in this release:
> - Stack showing effect of changes in image quality
> - Stack showing effect of fullscreenmode on desktop
> - Stack showing effect of stack scale on desktop

Anyone know where I can find these sample stacks? 

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Feb 14 14:35:38 2014
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:35:38 +0000
Subject: Getting UTF8 data from Oracle, using revdb
Message-ID: <52FE700A.3000909@cogapp.com>

I'm having trouble getting some data from an Oracle database using a LiveCode app.

The application is running on a Windows 2008r2 machine, addressing Oracle 
Database 11g Release 11.2.0.2.0 - 64bit Production.

The particular column in the database is apparently in UTF8, according to the 
Oracle SQL Developer application.  And making the SQL query in that app 
returns the text as expected.  But making the query through the LiveCode, 
characters such as the degree symbol, or a right single quote, come through as 
"?".  I don't think this is happening in my script - I think that the data has 
been pre-converted before LiveCode gets it.  (Unfortunately I can only access 
the database by moving a compiled standalone onto the Windows 2008 machine and 
running it there - I can't operate interactively.)

Does anyone have any experience of this, including that might confirm that it 
should be possible?  If this was through ODBC I'd be looking at the DSN 
properties for character set conversion, but for Oracle it's a direct driver, 
so I don't know how this would work.

Is it possible that the Oracle driver is just so old (I can't see any evidence 
that it's been updated for years) that it somehow connects to the database in 
a way that causes the database not to offer it UTF8?

Any suggestions, tips, or personal experience gratefully received.

Ben



From endernafi at keehuna.com  Fri Feb 14 15:01:43 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 22:01:43 +0200
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <63255C57-FBF5-4885-9190-F80F3938772C@byu.edu>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<63255C57-FBF5-4885-9190-F80F3938772C@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <etPan.52fe7627.32fff902.c52@fdbqRetina.local>

I?ve looked under every stone within the application bundle; couldn?t find.
I?d like to check them out, too.

Maybe, team can kindly provide us a link to download?


~ Ender


From:?Devin Asay Devin Asay
Reply:?Devin Asay devin_asay at byu.edu
Date:?February 14, 2014 at 21:27:27
To:?How to use LiveCode use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:? Re: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1  

On Feb 14, 2014, at 11:05 AM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com> wrote:  

> *Sample Stacks*  
> We have included 3 sample stack demonstrating some of the new  
> features/improvements in this release:  
> - Stack showing effect of changes in image quality  
> - Stack showing effect of fullscreenmode on desktop  
> - Stack showing effect of stack scale on desktop  

Anyone know where I can find these sample stacks?  

Devin  

Devin Asay  
Office of Digital Humanities  
Brigham Young University  


_______________________________________________  
use-livecode mailing list  
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  


From revolution at derbrill.de  Fri Feb 14 15:05:10 2014
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 21:05:10 +0100
Subject: animationEngine and LC 6.6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1379757601.21549.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1379757601.21549.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDF769C6-1133-4EEF-97B1-A500E3A7BADE@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

just a quick head up about animationEngine support for 6.6.

Currently the animationEngine Script will not compile on LC 6.6, due to the use of the now reserved keyword scalefactor. This will be fixed in due course.

All the best,

Malte




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Feb 14 16:06:30 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:06:30 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOgOELfWNPLBtSPhx4mgUdvQb9Rzch9YAZco+HYmPLiSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePu0N=R43=UE2z0mawS=Dx8jVq2p=Fe5cAFtU3kax-OSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eOgOELfWNPLBtSPhx4mgUdvQb9Rzch9YAZco+HYmPLiSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMHUA+hMx5jN5pzO0Z5vaaXLconsMG9ua4FONXBVMT+Gg@mail.gmail.com>

Great.  A 25 year step BACKWARDS when it comes to readability.

There is nothing readable about recursive code.  It might be clever and
brief, but it is most definitely NOT readable.


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I see in the release notes that the hope is to include the 3.8.3 version of
> the SQLite library in the final release of 6.6.  One of the very cool new
> features in sqlite 3.8.3 is recursive SELECT statements.  Think expanding a
> bill of materials or a manager/employee chart with one SELECT statement.
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >>  - SQLite support updated and improved
> >
> >
> > YES!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From mgruenthal at mac.com  Fri Feb 14 17:06:41 2014
From: mgruenthal at mac.com (Michael Gruenthal)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:06:41 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF23FAB1.45E20%mgruenthal@mac.com>

Just ran a stable in 6.5 iPad (1024 X 768) stack in the iOS 7 retina
simulator. As is, it is scaled down to occupy the bottom left quarter of
the simulator screen, but all objects are actually where they belong e.g.
touching a button where it?s rendered in the bottom left quarter doesn't
work, but touching where it should be does). This issue is solved if I set
the new usePixelScaling property to false, but then everything looks fuzzy
and seems to have a non-retina resolution.

Anyone else seeing this issue?

On 2/14/14, 1:05 PM, "Benjamin Beaumont" <ben at runrev.com> wrote:

>Dear List Members.
>
>We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.6 DP1.
>
>Warning, this is a pre-release with new features which have the potential
>to cause issues. Please ensure you backup your stacks before testing this
>release.
>
>*Important Changes*
>
>   1. *Tiger support dropped*. As of version 6.6-dp-1, OS 10.4 (Tiger)
>   support has been dropped from LiveCode. This is primarily for technical
>   reasons: In order to support the latest OS X features (e.g. Cocoa -
>   LiveCode 6.7 - coming soon) as well as include the newest versions of
>   thirdparty libraries (e.g. LibSkia, LibSQLite), dropping 10.4 support
>was
>   required. Users wishing to produce 10.4 compatible executables can
>still do
>   so using LiveCode version 6.5.x (and earlier).
>
>*Release Contents*
>This development release contains the following changes:
>
>   - 'assert' command (experimental)
>   - New **showAll** fullscreenmode.
>   - Hi-DPI support for Windows 7/8 and OSX.
>   - Image Filtering Updates
>   - Graphics Library Update
>   - OpenSSL & Encryption Updates
>   - '#!' now recognised by server
>   - SQLite support updated and improved
>   - Stack scaling
>   - OS 10.4 (Tiger) Support dropped
>   - 14 bug fixes:
>      - 11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store
>      - 11751 - After selecting an item in an option menu containing
>      unicode, the label is corrupted (Mac only)
>      - 11732 - <> operator is different from \'is not\' operator for
>arrays
>      - 11721 - Crash when taking a snapshot of the template graphic
>      - 11720 - SQLite FTS feature doesn't work on iOS or Mac.
>      - 11703 - iPhoneSetRemoteControlDisplay crashes
>      - 11462 - Failing to set image data to the image data of self
>      - 11124 - No error message when external not found when deploying to
>      simulator
>      - 11069 - mobileComposeMail attachment missing in Android
>      - 10910 - \"Crop image\" command crashes LiveCode application
>      - 10467 - Indenting of scripts can go wrong
>      - 10280 - SQLite binary entries are non-standard.
>      - 8044 - setting a cprop with quotes loses data
>      - 5331 - Mac live window resizing is off by default.
>
>*Planned changed for DP2*
>- Proxy support
>
>*Known Issues*
>- Text scaling/clipping on Linux with stack scale set
>
>*Sample Stacks*
>We have included 3 sample stack demonstrating some of the new
>features/improvements in this release:
>- Stack showing effect of changes in image quality
>- Stack showing effect of fullscreenmode on desktop
>- Stack showing effect of stack scale on desktop
>
>*Getting this release*
>To upgrade to this release please select "check for updates" from the help
>menu in LiveCode or download the installers directly at:
>http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>
>*Reporting Bugs*
>If you encounter an issue with this release please submit a bug report to
>our quality centre: http://quality.runrev.com/enter_bug.cgi
>
>Warm regards,
>
>The LiveCode Team
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode





From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb 14 17:11:42 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 14:11:42 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMHUA+hMx5jN5pzO0Z5vaaXLconsMG9ua4FONXBVMT+Gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePu0N=R43=UE2z0mawS=Dx8jVq2p=Fe5cAFtU3kax-OSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eOgOELfWNPLBtSPhx4mgUdvQb9Rzch9YAZco+HYmPLiSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMHUA+hMx5jN5pzO0Z5vaaXLconsMG9ua4FONXBVMT+Gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eODaHGFEK9Qnb95egpVwGaR2EXtYP96BSz-8oj8KNFWTw@mail.gmail.com>

So don't use it then :-)  I'm happy to see SQLite catching up with other
SQL implementations.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> Great.  A 25 year step BACKWARDS when it comes to readability.
>
> There is nothing readable about recursive code.  It might be clever and
> brief, but it is most definitely NOT readable.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > I see in the release notes that the hope is to include the 3.8.3 version
> of
> > the SQLite library in the final release of 6.6.  One of the very cool new
> > features in sqlite 3.8.3 is recursive SELECT statements.  Think
> expanding a
> > bill of materials or a manager/employee chart with one SELECT statement.
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >>  - SQLite support updated and improved
> > >
> > >
> > > YES!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > Pete
> > > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Feb 14 20:06:22 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 20:06:22 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eODaHGFEK9Qnb95egpVwGaR2EXtYP96BSz-8oj8KNFWTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePu0N=R43=UE2z0mawS=Dx8jVq2p=Fe5cAFtU3kax-OSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eOgOELfWNPLBtSPhx4mgUdvQb9Rzch9YAZco+HYmPLiSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMHUA+hMx5jN5pzO0Z5vaaXLconsMG9ua4FONXBVMT+Gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eODaHGFEK9Qnb95egpVwGaR2EXtYP96BSz-8oj8KNFWTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycOW_zhTByaYeSLi112EtX7qO48Y6j76TUyxsia2t8EQqw@mail.gmail.com>

Don't worry, Peter, I won't.  I will speak up when something comes in that
makes me go UGH, though.  "this me" and the new "assert" syntax also come
to mind.


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> So don't use it then :-)  I'm happy to see SQLite catching up with other
> SQL implementations.
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Great.  A 25 year step BACKWARDS when it comes to readability.
> >
> > There is nothing readable about recursive code.  It might be clever and
> > brief, but it is most definitely NOT readable.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I see in the release notes that the hope is to include the 3.8.3
> version
> > of
> > > the SQLite library in the final release of 6.6.  One of the very cool
> new
> > > features in sqlite 3.8.3 is recursive SELECT statements.  Think
> > expanding a
> > > bill of materials or a manager/employee chart with one SELECT
> statement.
> > >
> > > Pete
> > > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>  - SQLite support updated and improved
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > YES!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Pete
> > > > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > > > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html>
> and
> > > > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> > On the second day, God created the oceans.
> > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >    and did a little diving.
> > And God said, "This is good."
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri Feb 14 21:08:58 2014
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:08:58 -0800
Subject: Save 50% on Valentina Studio ($99) and Valentina Reports ADK for
	LiveCode ($99)
Message-ID: <7C222FE3731849BDB65DF24266AB427A@GATEWAY>

http://www.valentina-db.com/blog/?p=1507

Celebrate 16 years of Valentina with a 50% discount on Valentina Studio Pro
and Valentina Reports ADK for LiveCode!Between 2/14/2014 - 2/21/2014, enjoy
a big savings on our best selling developer tools.

Valentina Studio Pro, available for Mac OS X, Linux and Windows is your
complete tool for database development and administration, including MySQL,
Oracle, MS SQL Server, SQLite, PostgreSQL and of course, the advanced
object-relational database Valentina DB. Diagramming, Visual Query Builder,
SQLDIFF and a powerful Reports Editor for creating visually rich business
reports. Regularly $199, during this special offer, only $99!

Valentina Studio Pro is also available and on sale through the Mac App
Store.

Valentina Reports ADK for LiveCode lets you embed a powerful reports engine
into your applications and is available for over 30 platforms. Grids,
charts, barcodes, PDF generation and an entire visual toolbox are yours, and
you can deploy your applications royalty free. Each ADK is $199, but during
this special offer, only $99!

Valentina Studio and Valentina Reports are developed and published by
Paradigma Software. Website http://www.paradigmasoft.com.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From livecode at trueinsecurity.com  Fri Feb 14 21:56:35 2014
From: livecode at trueinsecurity.com (John Brozycki)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 21:56:35 -0500
Subject: How to install under Elementary of Mint Linux
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140214T191419-716@post.gmane.org>
References: <57679915-8EBE-4EDB-8389-6014AADD331D@trueinsecurity.com>
	<loom.20140214T191419-716@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <2647459D-93D1-441D-8756-010AD4BFC525@trueinsecurity.com>

Many thanks, Mark.  That worked!

So for anyone else trying to install LC on 64-bit Linux that's:

   sudo apt-get install ia32-libs

   chmod u+x <LC_download_filename>.x86

(gksu seems to be included by default in Elementary Linux and Mint Linux)

-John

On Feb 14, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> John Brozycki <livecode at ...> writes:
> 
>> Sorry for the likely dumb question: How do you install Livecode under
> 64-bit Linux? 
> 
> Runrev hasn't yet seen fit to release a 64-bit binary, so your best option
> is to install the ia32lib libraries from the usual repos.
> 
> You still have to set the executable bit on the downloaded binary, and if
> you don't have gksu installed and you want to install for all users you'll
> have to su and run the installer from a commandline.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Feb 14 22:11:20 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:11:20 -0800
Subject: How to install under Elementary of Mint Linux
In-Reply-To: <2647459D-93D1-441D-8756-010AD4BFC525@trueinsecurity.com>
References: <57679915-8EBE-4EDB-8389-6014AADD331D@trueinsecurity.com>
	<loom.20140214T191419-716@post.gmane.org>
	<2647459D-93D1-441D-8756-010AD4BFC525@trueinsecurity.com>
Message-ID: <79159523431.20140214191120@ahsoftware.net>

John-

Friday, February 14, 2014, 6:56:35 PM, you wrote:

> Many thanks, Mark.  That worked!

Glad to hear it.

> (gksu seems to be included by default in Elementary Linux and Mint Linux)

I could swear it wasn't installed by default in my mint 14, but now it
is, so possibly one of the system updates did that for me.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From sc at sahores-conseil.com  Sat Feb 15 05:44:07 2014
From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:44:07 +0100
Subject: Getting UTF8 data from Oracle, using revdb
In-Reply-To: <52FE700A.3000909@cogapp.com>
References: <52FE700A.3000909@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <32E46A20-A9C6-4B78-B495-EC869A1B3D5B@sahores-conseil.com>

Hi Ben,

Did't had to deal with Oracle backends for a while now but it should work in the same way PostgreSQL UTF8 configured dbs does. Here is what works under PostgreSQL 8.4 to 9.2 :


The worflow configuration context : LC Editor client app / Web Browser <- internet -> LC server socket lisrener .lc script <--> LC lib stack.livecode <- localhost -> PostgreSQL ;


Each LC server to PostgreSQL connection begins with the following line of code :

revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,"SET client_encoding TO 'LATIN9';"

before any inteaction (INSERT  /UPDATE / SELECT) follows as below described :


1.- Sending "INSERT / UPDATE" urlencoded data via "POST" to the server :

- Web browsers : UTF8 sets a as the charset (Head metatag of the displayed HTML) ;

1.2.- Insert/Update with LC Editor client app running under windows (ISO charset) : nothing to code on the LC Editor client app side : PostgreSQL automatically converts the ISO received datas to UTF8 before inserting them in the database ;

1.3.- Insert/Update with LC Editor client app running under macos x (Mac Roman charset) : i just apply a MacToISO conversion to the datas to be posted to the server before sending them : PostgreSQL automatically converts the ISO received datas to UTF8 before inserting them in the database ;

1.4.-  Insert/Update with LC Editor client app running under Linux (untested) : should work in the same way Windows does ;


2.- Retrieving "SELECT" data from the server and displaying them on the client app :

2.1.- Web browsers : UTF8 sets as the charset (Head metatag of the displayed HTML) ;

2.2.- LC client app running under windows or android : nothing to do ;

2.3.- LC client app running under mac os x or iOS : IsotoMac conversion of the received data before using them ;

2.4.- LC client app running under Linux (untested) : should work in the same way Windows does ;


In your own context, and as long as no special coding would be needed to have your Windows LC client app against PostgreSQL, i suspect that using :

revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,"SET client_encoding TO 'LATIN9';"

should do the job. If not testing other client_encoding options would be what to test first.


Best Regards,

Pierre


Le 14 f?vr. 2014 ? 20:35, Ben Rubinstein a ?crit :

> I'm having trouble getting some data from an Oracle database using a LiveCode app.
> 
> The application is running on a Windows 2008r2 machine, addressing Oracle Database 11g Release 11.2.0.2.0 - 64bit Production.
> 
> The particular column in the database is apparently in UTF8, according to the Oracle SQL Developer application.  And making the SQL query in that app returns the text as expected.  But making the query through the LiveCode, characters such as the degree symbol, or a right single quote, come through as "?".  I don't think this is happening in my script - I think that the data has been pre-converted before LiveCode gets it.  (Unfortunately I can only access the database by moving a compiled standalone onto the Windows 2008 machine and running it there - I can't operate interactively.)
> 
> Does anyone have any experience of this, including that might confirm that it should be possible?  If this was through ODBC I'd be looking at the DSN properties for character set conversion, but for Oracle it's a direct driver, so I don't know how this would work.
> 
> Is it possible that the Oracle driver is just so old (I can't see any evidence that it's been updated for years) that it somehow connects to the database in a way that causes the database not to offer it UTF8?
> 
> Any suggestions, tips, or personal experience gratefully received.
> 
> Ben
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 06:48:08 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:48:08 +0200
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>

On 14/02/14 20:05, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
> Dear List Members.
>
> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.6 DP1.
>
> Warning, this is a pre-release with new features which have the potential
> to cause issues. Please ensure you backup your stacks before testing this
> release.
>
> *Important Changes*
>
>     1. *Tiger support dropped*. As of version 6.6-dp-1, OS 10.4 (Tiger)
>     support has been dropped from LiveCode. This is primarily for technical
>     reasons: In order to support the latest OS X features (e.g. Cocoa -
>     LiveCode 6.7 - coming soon) as well as include the newest versions of
>     thirdparty libraries (e.g. LibSkia, LibSQLite), dropping 10.4 support was
>     required. Users wishing to produce 10.4 compatible executables can still do
>     so using LiveCode version 6.5.x (and earlier).
>
> *Release Contents*
> This development release contains the following changes:
>
>     - 'assert' command (experimental)
>     - New **showAll** fullscreenmode.
>     - Hi-DPI support for Windows 7/8 and OSX.
>     - Image Filtering Updates
>     - Graphics Library Update
>     - OpenSSL & Encryption Updates
>     - '#!' now recognised by server
>     - SQLite support updated and improved
>     - Stack scaling
>     - OS 10.4 (Tiger) Support dropped
>     - 14 bug fixes:
>        - 11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store
>        - 11751 - After selecting an item in an option menu containing
>        unicode, the label is corrupted (Mac only)
>        - 11732 - <> operator is different from \'is not\' operator for arrays
>        - 11721 - Crash when taking a snapshot of the template graphic
>        - 11720 - SQLite FTS feature doesn't work on iOS or Mac.
>        - 11703 - iPhoneSetRemoteControlDisplay crashes
>        - 11462 - Failing to set image data to the image data of self
>        - 11124 - No error message when external not found when deploying to
>        simulator
>        - 11069 - mobileComposeMail attachment missing in Android
>        - 10910 - \"Crop image\" command crashes LiveCode application
>        - 10467 - Indenting of scripts can go wrong
>        - 10280 - SQLite binary entries are non-standard.
>        - 8044 - setting a cprop with quotes loses data
>        - 5331 - Mac live window resizing is off by default.
>
> *Planned changed for DP2*
> - Proxy support
>
> *Known Issues*
> - Text scaling/clipping on Linux with stack scale set
>
> *Sample Stacks*
> We have included 3 sample stack demonstrating some of the new
> features/improvements in this release:
> - Stack showing effect of changes in image quality
> - Stack showing effect of fullscreenmode on desktop
> - Stack showing effect of stack scale on desktop
>
> *Getting this release*
> To upgrade to this release please select "check for updates" from the help
> menu in LiveCode or download the installers directly at:
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>
> *Reporting Bugs*
> If you encounter an issue with this release please submit a bug report to
> our quality centre: http://quality.runrev.com/enter_bug.cgi
>
> Warm regards,
>
> The LiveCode Team
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

That would be lovely, if I could get to that URL; but right now it 
appears to be "down".

Richmond.



From marc.vancauwenberghe at pandora.be  Sat Feb 15 10:07:27 2014
From: marc.vancauwenberghe at pandora.be (Marc Van Cauwenberghe)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:07:27 +0100
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>

Hi,

the url seems to be alright to me.

Any news on the sample stacks?

Best regards,
Marc

Op 15-feb.-2014, om 12:48 heeft Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:

> On 14/02/14 20:05, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
>> Dear List Members.
>> 
>> We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.6 DP1.
>> 
>> Warning, this is a pre-release with new features which have the potential
>> to cause issues. Please ensure you backup your stacks before testing this
>> release.
>> 
>> *Important Changes*
>> 
>>    1. *Tiger support dropped*. As of version 6.6-dp-1, OS 10.4 (Tiger)
>>    support has been dropped from LiveCode. This is primarily for technical
>>    reasons: In order to support the latest OS X features (e.g. Cocoa -
>>    LiveCode 6.7 - coming soon) as well as include the newest versions of
>>    thirdparty libraries (e.g. LibSkia, LibSQLite), dropping 10.4 support was
>>    required. Users wishing to produce 10.4 compatible executables can still do
>>    so using LiveCode version 6.5.x (and earlier).
>> 
>> *Release Contents*
>> This development release contains the following changes:
>> 
>>    - 'assert' command (experimental)
>>    - New **showAll** fullscreenmode.
>>    - Hi-DPI support for Windows 7/8 and OSX.
>>    - Image Filtering Updates
>>    - Graphics Library Update
>>    - OpenSSL & Encryption Updates
>>    - '#!' now recognised by server
>>    - SQLite support updated and improved
>>    - Stack scaling
>>    - OS 10.4 (Tiger) Support dropped
>>    - 14 bug fixes:
>>       - 11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store
>>       - 11751 - After selecting an item in an option menu containing
>>       unicode, the label is corrupted (Mac only)
>>       - 11732 - <> operator is different from \'is not\' operator for arrays
>>       - 11721 - Crash when taking a snapshot of the template graphic
>>       - 11720 - SQLite FTS feature doesn't work on iOS or Mac.
>>       - 11703 - iPhoneSetRemoteControlDisplay crashes
>>       - 11462 - Failing to set image data to the image data of self
>>       - 11124 - No error message when external not found when deploying to
>>       simulator
>>       - 11069 - mobileComposeMail attachment missing in Android
>>       - 10910 - \"Crop image\" command crashes LiveCode application
>>       - 10467 - Indenting of scripts can go wrong
>>       - 10280 - SQLite binary entries are non-standard.
>>       - 8044 - setting a cprop with quotes loses data
>>       - 5331 - Mac live window resizing is off by default.
>> 
>> *Planned changed for DP2*
>> - Proxy support
>> 
>> *Known Issues*
>> - Text scaling/clipping on Linux with stack scale set
>> 
>> *Sample Stacks*
>> We have included 3 sample stack demonstrating some of the new
>> features/improvements in this release:
>> - Stack showing effect of changes in image quality
>> - Stack showing effect of fullscreenmode on desktop
>> - Stack showing effect of stack scale on desktop
>> 
>> *Getting this release*
>> To upgrade to this release please select "check for updates" from the help
>> menu in LiveCode or download the installers directly at:
>> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>> 
>> *Reporting Bugs*
>> If you encounter an issue with this release please submit a bug report to
>> our quality centre: http://quality.runrev.com/enter_bug.cgi
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> The LiveCode Team
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> That would be lovely, if I could get to that URL; but right now it appears to be "down".
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 10:37:36 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:37:36 -0500
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoA=9bU9Di04ZvXio6Nx9ArJ5EzqRKBSdmYxbOuuhx7qg@mail.gmail.com>

For anyone who cares, I re-wrote Bob's code to handle a variable-length
string like so:

on mouseUp
   put 10 into wc
   repeat with i = 1 to wc
      put i & space after tData
   end repeat
   put the ticks into line one of theTime
      repeat 1000000 div wc
            repeat with j = 1 to wc
                  put word j of tData into theWord
            end repeat
      end repeat

      put the ticks into line 2 of theTime

      repeat 1000000 div wc
            repeat for each word theWord in tData
                  --get theWord
            end repeat
      end repeat

      put the ticks into line 3 of theTime
      put ("Example 1 took " & line 2 of theTime - line 1 of theTime)  & "
ticks" into line 4 of theTime
      put ("Example 2 took " & line 3 of theTime - line 2 of theTime)  & "
ticks" into line 5 of theTime
      put theTime into fld 1
end mouseUp


with that I get:

83548656597

83548656614

83548656619

Example 1 took 17 ticks

Example 2 took 5 ticks


with wc = 1000 I get:


83548666360

83548666715

83548666719

Example 1 took 355 ticks

Example 2 took 4 ticks


Note that the second example is getting faster because I'm shortening the
repeat count for longer


with wc = 100000 I had to change the outer repeat loop to execute only once
-- I got:


83548674504

83548678993

83548678994

Example 1 took 4489 ticks

Example 2 took 1 ticks


it's important to note that the first loop doesn't scale linearly with the
size of the input. The example with wc = 1000  executes the outer loop
1/100th as many times as the example with wc = 10, so to make the times
equivalent you'd multiply by 100 and get:


Example 1 took 35500 ticks

Example 2 took 400 ticks

So the second example *does* scale linearly -- 100x the size of the input =
roughly 100x the time: 400 ticks vs. 5 ticks. The first example -- 35500
vs. 17 -- that's nowhere near linear. And multiplying the size of the input
by 100 again in the third trial, if the outer loop had run as many times,
the performance would have been roughly


Example 1 took 448900000 ticks

Example 2 took 100000 ticks

Again, the second example scales roughly linearly and would finish in about
30 minutes, while the first example would take almost 3 months to finish.


On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:12 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > It's pretty well established that the "for each" form is a magnitude
> faster than the counting form.
>
> Nitpicking, but "[order of] magnitude" doesn't come close to covering the
> efficiency. The example Bob gave, since there were only ten items in the
> line, dramatically *understates* the benefits of repeat for each, which
> scales with the length of the source. A 1,000 or 100,000 item source would
> show much more than a magnitude of improvement.


From mgruenthal at mac.com  Sat Feb 15 10:49:38 2014
From: mgruenthal at mac.com (Michael Gruenthal)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:49:38 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CF23FAB1.45E20%mgruenthal@mac.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF23FAB1.45E20%mgruenthal@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CF24F646.45E72%mgruenthal@mac.com>

Bug 11814

This bug is caused by setting acceleratedRendering to true

On 2/14/14, 5:06 PM, "Michael Gruenthal" <mgruenthal at mac.com> wrote:

>Just ran a stable in 6.5 iPad (1024 X 768) stack in the iOS 7 retina
>simulator. As is, it is scaled down to occupy the bottom left quarter of
>the simulator screen, but all objects are actually where they belong e.g.
>touching a button where it?s rendered in the bottom left quarter doesn't
>work, but touching where it should be does). This issue is solved if I set
>the new usePixelScaling property to false, but then everything looks fuzzy
>and seems to have a non-retina resolution.
>
>Anyone else seeing this issue?
>
>On 2/14/14, 1:05 PM, "Benjamin Beaumont" <ben at runrev.com> wrote:
>
>>Dear List Members.
>>
>>We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.6 DP1.
>>
>>Warning, this is a pre-release with new features which have the potential
>>to cause issues. Please ensure you backup your stacks before testing this
>>release.
>>
>>*Important Changes*
>>
>>   1. *Tiger support dropped*. As of version 6.6-dp-1, OS 10.4 (Tiger)
>>   support has been dropped from LiveCode. This is primarily for
>>technical
>>   reasons: In order to support the latest OS X features (e.g. Cocoa -
>>   LiveCode 6.7 - coming soon) as well as include the newest versions of
>>   thirdparty libraries (e.g. LibSkia, LibSQLite), dropping 10.4 support
>>was
>>   required. Users wishing to produce 10.4 compatible executables can
>>still do
>>   so using LiveCode version 6.5.x (and earlier).
>>
>>*Release Contents*
>>This development release contains the following changes:
>>
>>   - 'assert' command (experimental)
>>   - New **showAll** fullscreenmode.
>>   - Hi-DPI support for Windows 7/8 and OSX.
>>   - Image Filtering Updates
>>   - Graphics Library Update
>>   - OpenSSL & Encryption Updates
>>   - '#!' now recognised by server
>>   - SQLite support updated and improved
>>   - Stack scaling
>>   - OS 10.4 (Tiger) Support dropped
>>   - 14 bug fixes:
>>      - 11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store
>>      - 11751 - After selecting an item in an option menu containing
>>      unicode, the label is corrupted (Mac only)
>>      - 11732 - <> operator is different from \'is not\' operator for
>>arrays
>>      - 11721 - Crash when taking a snapshot of the template graphic
>>      - 11720 - SQLite FTS feature doesn't work on iOS or Mac.
>>      - 11703 - iPhoneSetRemoteControlDisplay crashes
>>      - 11462 - Failing to set image data to the image data of self
>>      - 11124 - No error message when external not found when deploying
>>to
>>      simulator
>>      - 11069 - mobileComposeMail attachment missing in Android
>>      - 10910 - \"Crop image\" command crashes LiveCode application
>>      - 10467 - Indenting of scripts can go wrong
>>      - 10280 - SQLite binary entries are non-standard.
>>      - 8044 - setting a cprop with quotes loses data
>>      - 5331 - Mac live window resizing is off by default.
>>
>>*Planned changed for DP2*
>>- Proxy support
>>
>>*Known Issues*
>>- Text scaling/clipping on Linux with stack scale set
>>
>>*Sample Stacks*
>>We have included 3 sample stack demonstrating some of the new
>>features/improvements in this release:
>>- Stack showing effect of changes in image quality
>>- Stack showing effect of fullscreenmode on desktop
>>- Stack showing effect of stack scale on desktop
>>
>>*Getting this release*
>>To upgrade to this release please select "check for updates" from the
>>help
>>menu in LiveCode or download the installers directly at:
>>http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>>
>>*Reporting Bugs*
>>If you encounter an issue with this release please submit a bug report to
>>our quality centre: http://quality.runrev.com/enter_bug.cgi
>>
>>Warm regards,
>>
>>The LiveCode Team
>>_______________________________________________
>>use-livecode mailing list
>>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>subscription preferences:
>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 11:08:39 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:08:39 +0200
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>

On 15/02/14 17:07, Marc Van Cauwenberghe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the url seems to be alright to me.
>
> Any news on the sample stacks?
>
> Best regards,
> Marc
>
>

I phoned the engineers at BLIZOO,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizoo

  here in Bulgaria, and they told me that they cannot connect to 
downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
or lists.runrev.com: so something going on there.

At the moment I cannot, also, connect with 
http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html

Richmond.



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Feb 15 11:16:09 2014
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim sims)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:16:09 +0000
Subject: on returnInField - Next fld - Up - Down
Message-ID: <CAFarJbep8D6sehzFnwz33fTYb+tZde+QLpO5brQJZa3ZCYuHcw@mail.gmail.com>

Am setting up a lot of iOS flds so the user can hit the "Next" key and go
to the next fld.

I've sen a few instances where an up image or down image or "X" or "Done"
have been added to the space above the keyboard. I'm referring to ability
to go from fld to fld or hide the keyboard.

Is the way to use LiveCode to do this or does one roll their own (have then
hide and show above the keyboard as needed when the keyboard is deployed.

sims
Thanks in advance!


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 12:07:02 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:07:02 +0200
Subject: [OT} Android on x86
Message-ID: <52FF9EB6.2010208@gmail.com>

How I'm amusing myself this weekend:

installing this in VMware:

http://www.android-x86.org/

Richmond.



From pystcat at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 12:50:54 2014
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:50:54 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7A0658EB-E5B7-4542-8143-F1C5C0A87B1C@gmail.com>

If it helps, I can access all of those links here in NY city.

Paul

> On Feb 15, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 15/02/14 17:07, Marc Van Cauwenberghe wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> the url seems to be alright to me.
>> 
>> Any news on the sample stacks?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Marc
> 
> I phoned the engineers at BLIZOO,
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizoo
> 
> here in Bulgaria, and they told me that they cannot connect to downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> or lists.runrev.com: so something going on there.
> 
> At the moment I cannot, also, connect with http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Feb 15 13:08:04 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:08:04 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <7A0658EB-E5B7-4542-8143-F1C5C0A87B1C@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<7A0658EB-E5B7-4542-8143-F1C5C0A87B1C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EED3F43-E15C-4B0B-A2E0-DC92A5F291CA@verizon.net>

Me too! And I?m in Brooklyn! So, quite a range of coverage here in the States.


On Feb 15, 2014, at 12:50 PM, PystCat <pystcat at gmail.com> wrote:

> >If it helps, I can access all of those links here in NY city.



From jim at d-film.com  Sat Feb 15 13:45:36 2014
From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:45:36 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>

All links okay in Atlanta, GA.

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  here in Bulgaria, and they told me that they cannot connect to
> downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
> or lists.runrev.com: so something going on there.
>
> At the moment I cannot, also, connect with
> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Feb 15 13:48:11 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:48:11 +0100
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>


Am 15.02.2014 um 19:45 schrieb Jim Kanter <jim at d-film.com>:

> All links okay in Atlanta, GA.

Same over here in germany! :-)

> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> here in Bulgaria, and they told me that they cannot connect to
>> downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>> or lists.runrev.com: so something going on there.
>> 
>> At the moment I cannot, also, connect with
>> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From charles at buchwald.ca  Sat Feb 15 14:02:57 2014
From: charles at buchwald.ca (Charles E Buchwald)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 13:02:57 -0600
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <838BFFB1-D1AF-4191-896C-D311C94D282C@buchwald.ca>

All links OK here in Mexico City, too....

On 15 Feb 2014, at 12:48 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> 
> Am 15.02.2014 um 19:45 schrieb Jim Kanter <jim at d-film.com>:
> 
>> All links okay in Atlanta, GA.
> 
> Same over here in germany! :-)
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> here in Bulgaria, and they told me that they cannot connect to
>>> downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>>> or lists.runrev.com: so something going on there.
>>> 
>>> At the moment I cannot, also, connect with
>>> http://andregarzia.on-rev.com/richmond/home.html
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

--
Charles E. Buchwald
CEO/Director General

Museografica Digital
http://digital.museografica.com

Email Notice: http://wp.me/P3aT4d-33



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 14:04:07 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:04:07 +0200
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>

On 15/02/14 20:48, Klaus major-k wrote:
> Am 15.02.2014 um 19:45 schrieb Jim Kanter <jim at d-film.com>:
>
>> All links okay in Atlanta, GA.
> Same over here in germany! :-)
>
>

I have just had a majorly stupid conversation with an 'engineer' from my 
ISP provider who told me this:

1. Maybe the Livecode people have blocked my ISP.

     When I told him I could also not access either the Unicode 
consortium's pages, or the ISP' own webpage he tried:

2. It's a problem with your router.

    So connected to the LC download through a proxy; loaded, but, of 
course, I couldn't download the LC 6.6 installers.

3. He finally shut up when I pointed out to him that randomly (random 
but consistent) lack of access to certain websites had got
    nothing at all to do with my router.

4. He then suggested it was because I was using Linux rather than 
Windows.  I got out a box running Windows 95 from under the bed
     [ there we are, I knew it would be of some use one day ] and found 
that there was no joy with that either; nor with a Mac running
     10.4.

5. He eventually admitted that "maybe" there was a problem at their 
local server here in Plovdiv.

6. I also pointed out that had RunRev wanted to block access to me they 
would also have blocked my sending e-mails to their mail server.

What a load of cobblers.

Anyway; obviously nothing wrong with RunRev, and quite a lot with my ISP 
over here: both in terms of their service, and
in terms of the fact that their people talk unmitigated rubbish.

Richmond.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Feb 15 14:30:14 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:30:14 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Hmmm... possible dns resolution issues?
Can you ping www.livecode.com ?
If not, can you ping 37.59.205.89 ?

You might also try reconfiguring your dns settings to point to
Google's dns servers at 8.8.8.8 to see if that helps.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Feb 15 14:43:20 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:43:20 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePrnDAqB4x2LZXqkcCAHKvPi_j7bOf-LR6PPwEWYBPc2A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> Anyway; obviously nothing wrong with RunRev, and quite a lot with my ISP
> over here: both in terms of their service, and
> in terms of the fact that their people talk unmitigated rubbish.
>

Sadly, not an unusual situation.  It seems many support "engineers" start
with the assumption that whatever problem you are reporting is your fault
not theirs.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 14:43:37 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:43:37 +0200
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>
	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>

On 15/02/14 21:30, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Hmmm... possible dns resolution issues?
> Can you ping www.livecode.com ?
> If not, can you ping 37.59.205.89 ?
>
> You might also try reconfiguring your dns settings to point to
> Google's dns servers at 8.8.8.8 to see if that helps.
>

pinging 37.59.205.89 perfectly well.

I edited /etc/resolv.conf with leafpad but putting this at the end:

|nameserver 208.67.222.222
nameserver 208.67.220.220
nameserver 202.51.5.52

and "bingo", everything is lovely.

Thank you so much for your advice.

Richmond.
|


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Feb 15 15:12:48 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:12:48 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>
	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>
	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Saturday, February 15, 2014, 11:43:37 AM, you wrote:

> and "bingo", everything is lovely.

Yay!

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From mgruenthal at mac.com  Sat Feb 15 16:15:51 2014
From: mgruenthal at mac.com (Michael Gruenthal)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 16:15:51 -0500
Subject: on returnInField - Next fld - Up - Down
In-Reply-To: <CAFarJbep8D6sehzFnwz33fTYb+tZde+QLpO5brQJZa3ZCYuHcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFarJbep8D6sehzFnwz33fTYb+tZde+QLpO5brQJZa3ZCYuHcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF2541CB.45E99%mgruenthal@mac.com>

iOS provides this via the inputAccessoryView property. See
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/StringsTextFonts/Conce
ptual/TextAndWebiPhoneOS/InputViews/InputViews.html

It?s not accessible in LC as far as I know, so you?ll either need an
external or use LC objects to fake it.


On 2/15/14, 11:16 AM, "Jim sims" <sims at ezpzapps.com> wrote:

> Am setting up a lot of iOS flds so the user can hit the "Next" key and go
> to the next fld.
> 
> I've sen a few instances where an up image or down image or "X" or "Done"
> have been added to the space above the keyboard. I'm referring to ability
> to go from fld to fld or hide the keyboard.
> 
> Is the way to use LiveCode to do this or does one roll their own (have then
> hide and show above the keyboard as needed when the keyboard is deployed.
> 
> sims
> Thanks in advance!
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Feb 15 16:37:29 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:37:29 +0100
Subject: [OT] Still a few books left...
In-Reply-To: <52C88B55.9060302@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <52C88B55.9060302@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <52FFDE19.1090202@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Two people who asked me to reserve a book for them haven't ordered it 
yet. This means that there are still two books abailable. Feel free to 
contact me before purchasing.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 1/4/2014 23:29, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I still have a few copies of "Programming LiveCode for the Real
> Beginner" left. I don't know when I will print them again. If you want a
> copy, you can order one at http://qery.us/42z . Feel free to contact me
> by e-mail if you want to make sure that we still have a copy available
> for you.
>
> For more info, read the most recent article on
> http://blog.economy-x-talk.com
>
>




From bvg at mac.com  Sat Feb 15 17:24:10 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:24:10 +0100
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>

Can someone elaborate why assert is better then using "is true/false", and what additional things it adds?

I don't feel i can do the following otherwise: "Please do not be afraid to try it out as we need feedback to develop it further." (page 7, http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_6_0/LiveCodeNotes-6_6_0_dp_1.pdf )

-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sat Feb 15 20:38:52 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:38:52 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycM_w2q=0ejEvJVFA1tYCM9YUXmdkjdAX8-bFjkPViPb+g@mail.gmail.com>

Bjornke,
That was my question exactly.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> Can someone elaborate why assert is better then using "is true/false", and
> what additional things it adds?
>
> I don't feel i can do the following otherwise: "Please do not be afraid to
> try it out as we need feedback to develop it further." (page 7,
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_6_0/LiveCodeNotes-6_6_0_dp_1.pdf)
>
> --
>
> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Feb 15 23:14:16 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:14:16 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8kpE-gQyztFmWnP5seBt1ub82b6JHFDT5D6-MGRoHcKQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> Can someone elaborate why assert is better then using "is true/false", and
> what additional things it adds?
>

'assert' is designed for writing tests for your code. That being the case,
if 'assert' fails then the assertError message is sent which allows you to
log the error. If you are releasing an update to some code, you run your
tests and check your log to see if you broke anything.

If you are writing tests with complete coverage for a code library you may
end up with hundreds or thousands of 'assert' handlers that test that your
code behaves as it is supposed to. I think the 'assert' syntax is much more
compact and easier to write/read then a number of if/then statements that
then make a call to a logging function.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb 16 01:14:06 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:14:06 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8kpE-gQyztFmWnP5seBt1ub82b6JHFDT5D6-MGRoHcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>
	<CAHg3tG8kpE-gQyztFmWnP5seBt1ub82b6JHFDT5D6-MGRoHcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNM_=jQ15kXhVG=dksxwXUBsLq3WTsKvTSMfMt89vY65g@mail.gmail.com>

The assert command seems to have appeared out of nowhere.  Is it on any
plan that anyone has seen?

Anyway, with assert:
-----------------------------
--Test Harness using assert
-----------------------------
command test1
  <do test commands>
   assert .....
end test1

command test2
  <do test commands>
   assert .....
end test2

on assertMessage
  switch phandler
     case "test1"
         <log stuff>
         break
      case "test2"
         <log stuff>
         break
   end switch
end assertMessage
------------------------------

With old fashioned if/then
------------------------------
Test harness using if/then
----------------------------------
command testGroup1
   <do test1 commands>
   if <test1 failed condition> then
      <log stuff>
      exit testGroup1 --because test2 depend on the successful execution of
test1
   end if
   <do test2 commands>
   if <test2 failed condition> then
      <log stuff>
   end if
end testGroup1
------------------------------------

Personally, I'd prefer the old fashioned if/then, more compact.  You can
execute tests that form a logical group within one test harness handler,
and stop the tests based on dependencies.

I don't see how you could do that with assert since the main way to
identify which test failed is by the handlername parameter so it would be
one test per test handler unless you wanted to rely on the line parameter
which doesn't feel very safe.  I guess you could stop the tests by setting
a script local or global variable but seems unnecessarily complicated.

I see a column parameter to assertMessage, not sure what that is.

Unless I'm missing something, I don't see how the assert command makes our
lives much easier.  But I guess options are always good.


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:
>
> > Can someone elaborate why assert is better then using "is true/false",
> and
> > what additional things it adds?
> >
>
> 'assert' is designed for writing tests for your code. That being the case,
> if 'assert' fails then the assertError message is sent which allows you to
> log the error. If you are releasing an update to some code, you run your
> tests and check your log to see if you broke anything.
>
> If you are writing tests with complete coverage for a code library you may
> end up with hundreds or thousands of 'assert' handlers that test that your
> code behaves as it is supposed to. I think the 'assert' syntax is much more
> compact and easier to write/read then a number of if/then statements that
> then make a call to a logging function.
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 16 03:15:26 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:15:26 +0200
Subject: [OT] Richmond's DNS disease, was: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>
	<153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>

On 15/02/14 22:12, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Saturday, February 15, 2014, 11:43:37 AM, you wrote:
>
>> and "bingo", everything is lovely.
> Yay!
>

Well "semi-bingo" insofar as individual computers can now bypass the 
router's DNS setting (all the Linux boxes I have connected to my router),
but other devices (my wife's iPad, my G3 iMac running 9.2) cannot, and 
as such cannot access the websites that that DNS seems unable to reach.

What makes me feel uncomfortable is that those sites seem to be the ones 
we contact the most, which makes me wonder if somebody
has been mucking around somewhere.

Supposedly (!!!!) the ISP (BLIZOO, Bulgaria) are going to send a pair of 
monkeys, err, strike that, "computer engineers" to play around with my 
cable modem and my router: this, frankly, doesn't make me feel good at 
all - who paid them, who has told them exactly what to install (spybots)?

Nothing would give me greater satisfaction than to greet them at the 
door and tell them "Thanks, but  no thanks", having managed to change my 
DNS in the router (EDIMAX TP-LINK) via the browser interface myself: but 
I don't think that can be done . .  .

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 16 03:17:17 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:17:17 +0200
Subject: [OT] Richmond's DNS disease, was: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>
	<153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>
	<5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5300740D.5020206@gmail.com>

On 16/02/14 10:15, Richmond wrote:
> On 15/02/14 22:12, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Richmond-
>>
>> Saturday, February 15, 2014, 11:43:37 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>> and "bingo", everything is lovely.
>> Yay!
>>
>
> Well "semi-bingo" insofar as individual computers can now bypass the 
> router's DNS setting (all the Linux boxes I have connected to my router),
> but other devices (my wife's iPad, my G3 iMac running 9.2) cannot, and 
> as such cannot access the websites that that DNS seems unable to reach.
>
> What makes me feel uncomfortable is that those sites seem to be the 
> ones we contact the most, which makes me wonder if somebody
> has been mucking around somewhere.
>
> Supposedly (!!!!) the ISP (BLIZOO, Bulgaria) are going to send a pair 
> of monkeys, err, strike that, "computer engineers" to play around with 
> my cable modem and my router: this, frankly, doesn't make me feel good 
> at all - who paid them, who has told them exactly what to install 
> (spybots)?
>
> Nothing would give me greater satisfaction than to greet them at the 
> door and tell them "Thanks, but  no thanks", having managed to change 
> my DNS in the router (EDIMAX TP-LINK) via the browser interface 
> myself: but I don't think that can be done . .  .
>
> Richmond.

Especially, Linux lovers, as my /etc/resolv.conf file has been blanked 
overnight so I have to redo the thing!



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 16 03:54:21 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:54:21 +0200
Subject: [OT] Richmond's DNS disease, was: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <5300740D.5020206@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>
	<153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>
	<5300739E.6020904@gmail.com> <5300740D.5020206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53007CBD.8060102@gmail.com>

On 16/02/14 10:17, Richmond wrote:
> On 16/02/14 10:15, Richmond wrote:
>> On 15/02/14 22:12, Mark Wieder wrote:
>>> Richmond-
>>>
>>> Saturday, February 15, 2014, 11:43:37 AM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> and "bingo", everything is lovely.
>>> Yay!
>>>
>>
>> Well "semi-bingo" insofar as individual computers can now bypass the 
>> router's DNS setting (all the Linux boxes I have connected to my 
>> router),
>> but other devices (my wife's iPad, my G3 iMac running 9.2) cannot, 
>> and as such cannot access the websites that that DNS seems unable to 
>> reach.
>>
>> What makes me feel uncomfortable is that those sites seem to be the 
>> ones we contact the most, which makes me wonder if somebody
>> has been mucking around somewhere.
>>
>> Supposedly (!!!!) the ISP (BLIZOO, Bulgaria) are going to send a pair 
>> of monkeys, err, strike that, "computer engineers" to play around 
>> with my cable modem and my router: this, frankly, doesn't make me 
>> feel good at all - who paid them, who has told them exactly what to 
>> install (spybots)?
>>
>> Nothing would give me greater satisfaction than to greet them at the 
>> door and tell them "Thanks, but  no thanks", having managed to change 
>> my DNS in the router (EDIMAX TP-LINK) via the browser interface 
>> myself: but I don't think that can be done . .  .
>>
>> Richmond.
>
> Especially, Linux lovers, as my /etc/resolv.conf file has been blanked 
> overnight so I have to redo the thing!

AND the lesson is:

Never, ever listen to "computer engineers" at one's ISP.

Having told me that to access the internet I had to leave their DNS in 
place in my router settings, I tried Mark's recipe,
which worked, but only while I had the computer switched on; when I got 
up in the morning and switched the machine on,
the /etc/resolv.conf document had reverted to what it had been before I 
mucked about with it the night before.

So; I got into my TP-LINK router's settings and changed the DNS to one 
of the ones I mentioned in an earlier posting:
had to physically restart the router (the soft restart just stopped the 
thing working) as well as the cable modem: bingo,
hopefully "bigger bingo" than previously.

Unfortunately I have a tendency to trust other people; especially people 
with pompous titles such as "computer engineer",
and "expert"; but, thinking about things, when the chap on the phone 
said that when their "experts" came to see me they would
correct "the problem" via Internet Explorer (having told him about 4 
times that I only used Mac and Linux in my house), I should
have told him to "boil his head".

So, if you hear me describing myself anywhere as a "computer engineer" 
or a "computer expert" run a mile . . . LOL

Here endeth the lesson, and let us prAy, and let the "computer 
engineers" not prEy on us.

Richmond (High Priest, Archbishop and Court Jester in chief).



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 16 04:10:43 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:10:43 +0200
Subject: [OT] Kickstarter Hacked
Message-ID: <53008093.3050802@gmail.com>

https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/important-kickstarter-security-notice

Not funny.

Richmond.



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sun Feb 16 07:49:19 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 07:49:19 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNM_=jQ15kXhVG=dksxwXUBsLq3WTsKvTSMfMt89vY65g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>
	<CAHg3tG8kpE-gQyztFmWnP5seBt1ub82b6JHFDT5D6-MGRoHcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNM_=jQ15kXhVG=dksxwXUBsLq3WTsKvTSMfMt89vY65g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8ZmYMJkU5nC=mBNtWBjuKNZmHF8whzgghV0m20O0yU=Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sunday, February 16, 2014, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> The assert command seems to have appeared out of nowhere.  Is it on any
> plan that anyone has seen?


I believe it was added in order to aid with adding test coverage to
LiveCode. At least I seem to recall reading something about that in some
commit notes on GitHub.


> Anyway, with assert:
> -----------------------------
> --Test Harness using assert
> -----------------------------
> command test1
>   <do test commands>
>    assert .....
> end test1
>
> command test2
>   <do test commands>
>    assert .....
> end test2
>
> on assertMessage
>   switch phandler
>      case "test1"
>          <log stuff>
>          break
>       case "test2"
>          <log stuff>
>          break
>    end switch
> end assertMessage
> ------------------------------


I wouldn't have a switch statement like that in assert message. Why not
just stop execution on every error? The developer sees the error, knows
exactly which line to check (your code could even open the script editor
and position the cursor at the exact spot), makes the fix, and then runs
the tests again.

I don't see how you could do that with assert since the main way to
> identify which test failed is by the handlername parameter so it would be
> one test per test handler unless you wanted to rely on the line parameter
> which doesn't feel very safe.  I guess you could stop the tests by setting
> a script local or global variable but seems unnecessarily complicated.
>

Can't you just stop the tests with 'exit to top'?

I think a useful implementation of assertMessage is to log the error, open
the script editor, and then stop execution with 'exit to top'. If a
developer runs their test suite prior to every release they have a quick
way of finding any errors that break their preconditions defined by the
asserts and fixing them.

Another use would be to just log a bunch of messages that the developer
could go back and check. Perhaps assert could be improved upon with the
ability to tell it to stop execution if the assertion fails:

Assert 'condition' with exit to top

The engine would send the assertMessage and then halt execution
automatically.

Ultimately I think assert gives us a richer way of expressing what it is we
are doing in the code - testing that something behaves as it is intended.
Personally I find assert more descriptive when reading through code (assert
is commonly used in other languages).

-- 
Trevor DeVore


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb 16 11:51:41 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:51:41 -0500
Subject: [OT] Kickstarter Hacked
In-Reply-To: <53008093.3050802@gmail.com>
References: <53008093.3050802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycP2poBnY=fEpEpjw5pdTfnrUNWhWntBCK+xSNi5Nj02aA@mail.gmail.com>

Also not the most significant hack I've seen, even this week.  Password
changed, even though old password hash should make it really hard for
someone to hack.


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 4:10 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> https://www.kickstarter.com/blog/important-kickstarter-security-notice
>
> Not funny.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb 16 12:11:23 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:11:23 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8ZmYMJkU5nC=mBNtWBjuKNZmHF8whzgghV0m20O0yU=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>
	<CAHg3tG8kpE-gQyztFmWnP5seBt1ub82b6JHFDT5D6-MGRoHcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNM_=jQ15kXhVG=dksxwXUBsLq3WTsKvTSMfMt89vY65g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG8ZmYMJkU5nC=mBNtWBjuKNZmHF8whzgghV0m20O0yU=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMW+NHTs7BOwDMCvh_QNS0A6QEtJEEPaCkBeO24K+1TCA@mail.gmail.com>

All valid points. I'm just not seeing any big advantages over using if/then
constructs, but I can see that being a personal preference.

Pete
lcSQL Software
On Feb 16, 2014 4:49 AM, "Trevor DeVore" <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, February 16, 2014, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > The assert command seems to have appeared out of nowhere.  Is it on any
> > plan that anyone has seen?
>
>
> I believe it was added in order to aid with adding test coverage to
> LiveCode. At least I seem to recall reading something about that in some
> commit notes on GitHub.
>
>
> > Anyway, with assert:
> > -----------------------------
> > --Test Harness using assert
> > -----------------------------
> > command test1
> >   <do test commands>
> >    assert .....
> > end test1
> >
> > command test2
> >   <do test commands>
> >    assert .....
> > end test2
> >
> > on assertMessage
> >   switch phandler
> >      case "test1"
> >          <log stuff>
> >          break
> >       case "test2"
> >          <log stuff>
> >          break
> >    end switch
> > end assertMessage
> > ------------------------------
>
>
> I wouldn't have a switch statement like that in assert message. Why not
> just stop execution on every error? The developer sees the error, knows
> exactly which line to check (your code could even open the script editor
> and position the cursor at the exact spot), makes the fix, and then runs
> the tests again.
>
> I don't see how you could do that with assert since the main way to
> > identify which test failed is by the handlername parameter so it would be
> > one test per test handler unless you wanted to rely on the line parameter
> > which doesn't feel very safe.  I guess you could stop the tests by
> setting
> > a script local or global variable but seems unnecessarily complicated.
> >
>
> Can't you just stop the tests with 'exit to top'?
>
> I think a useful implementation of assertMessage is to log the error, open
> the script editor, and then stop execution with 'exit to top'. If a
> developer runs their test suite prior to every release they have a quick
> way of finding any errors that break their preconditions defined by the
> asserts and fixing them.
>
> Another use would be to just log a bunch of messages that the developer
> could go back and check. Perhaps assert could be improved upon with the
> ability to tell it to stop execution if the assertion fails:
>
> Assert 'condition' with exit to top
>
> The engine would send the assertMessage and then halt execution
> automatically.
>
> Ultimately I think assert gives us a richer way of expressing what it is we
> are doing in the code - testing that something behaves as it is intended.
> Personally I find assert more descriptive when reading through code (assert
> is commonly used in other languages).
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Feb 16 12:40:08 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 09:40:08 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMW+NHTs7BOwDMCvh_QNS0A6QEtJEEPaCkBeO24K+1TCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>
	<CAHg3tG8kpE-gQyztFmWnP5seBt1ub82b6JHFDT5D6-MGRoHcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNM_=jQ15kXhVG=dksxwXUBsLq3WTsKvTSMfMt89vY65g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG8ZmYMJkU5nC=mBNtWBjuKNZmHF8whzgghV0m20O0yU=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMW+NHTs7BOwDMCvh_QNS0A6QEtJEEPaCkBeO24K+1TCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46298049008.20140216094008@ahsoftware.net>

Pete-

Sunday, February 16, 2014, 9:11:23 AM, you wrote:

> All valid points. I'm just not seeing any big advantages over using if/then
> constructs, but I can see that being a personal preference.

Well, one advantage of assert is that the parameters pinpoint exactly
where the error occurred, making your debugging and logging tasks
easier. You don't need a switch statement to see what type of problem
and where it happened, the engine hands that to you, and you can log
it, display it in an answer dialog, whatever you want.

You can ship code with assert commands in place, as they should be
harmless and only come into play if something fails. Then when you
change code your tests will tell you if something's going to break.
You also have an extra bug reporting mechanism on the client end of
things: if something happens to break your code even though it passed
your dev tests, you can pop up the same log information and the your
users can relay that back to you.

Granted you could do all this without an assert command in the engine,
and we've done that for years, but this makes things easier, cleaner,
and helps the engine team ensure that they can catch bugs before they
release builds to us. I use asserts all the time in my real-world
coding, and I welcome their introduction to the LC world.

That said, I think the assert command is still in its infancy, as it
won't catch things like

assert 1 / 0

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Feb 16 13:13:56 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 10:13:56 -0800
Subject: [OT] Richmond's DNS disease, was: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <53007CBD.8060102@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>
	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>
	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>
	<153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>
	<5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>
	<5300740D.5020206@gmail.com> <53007CBD.8060102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84300076792.20140216101356@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Sunday, February 16, 2014, 12:54:21 AM, you wrote:

> So; I got into my TP-LINK router's settings and changed the DNS to one
> of the ones I mentioned in an earlier posting:
> had to physically restart the router (the soft restart just stopped the
> thing working) as well as the cable modem: bingo,
> hopefully "bigger bingo" than previously.

Probably also worth flushing your dns cache

http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rhel-debian-ubuntu-flush-clear-dns-cache/

I usually set one of Google's dns servers as one of my alternates, not
because I'm particularly enamored of Google, but because their servers
support DNSSEC. It's not too widely supported yet, but getting more so
to avoid dns poisoning and man-in-the-middle exploits.

8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4

The next time you configure your router's settings, make sure that the
"remote configuration" or whatever it's called on your router is
turned off. You *did* change the default password, right? And if your
wireless access is enabled, make sure you're using WPA encryption, not
WEP. And turn off SSID broadcast - you'll have to type the SSID
manually in order to connect the first time, but it will keep your
router under the radar.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 16 14:24:46 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:24:46 -0600
Subject: [OT] Richmond's DNS disease, was: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <84300076792.20140216101356@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>	<153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>	<5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>	<5300740D.5020206@gmail.com>
	<53007CBD.8060102@gmail.com>
	<84300076792.20140216101356@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <5301107E.6060007@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/16/14, 12:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> And turn off SSID broadcast - you'll have to type the SSID
> manually in order to connect the first time, but it will keep your
> router under the radar.
>

I had broadcasting turned off for years and wanted to keep it that way, 
but as soon as I got an Android device it couldn't find the network. I 
had to type in the credentials every time I got back home, or toggled 
wifi on. Very annoying, and I finally turned broadcasting back on.

Apple devices try to ping all known networks repeatedly to see if any 
are active (a trade-off in battery depletion) so they don't have that 
problem, but Android just scans broadcasted networks to see if it 
already knows any of them.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 16 14:50:23 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 19:50:23 +0000
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <52FDBD85.3000207@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<52FDBD85.3000207@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DA1F53FB-C911-463C-B22B-F6B9F7E83962@iotecdigital.com>

I did not think ?snarky? when I read your post. Whenever discussing technical things, it probably always sounds snarky. I?ve second guessed some of my own posts for that reason, But no fear, I take everything I read on this list from long time posters as what it is: Expert opinions from professionals. 

Bob


On Feb 13, 2014, at 22:53 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Oops. That reads way snarkier than it sounded in my head. Sorry.
> 
> On 2/13/14, 10:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> On 2/13/14, 8:53 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> Aye, but the question was which form of repeat was more efficient.
>> 
>> I thought you said that any repeat loop was equal to another, and just
>> pointed out that an empty loop (your original test) didn't mean much
>> until you put some code in it.
>> 
>> It's pretty well established that the "for each" form is a magnitude
>> faster than the counting form. I was just responding to this:
>> 
>>> I ran a 100,000 count
>>> loop with nothing in the repeat loop to do and it took 1 tick.
>> 
>> It was a trivial point: that an empty repeat loop of any form is going
>> to be quick; it's the code inside that matters. In your examples, the
>> code inside happens to be another repeat loop, but that's a different
>> thing.
>> 
>> I suspect we're talking about the same thing and we don't know it. ;)
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 16 14:52:46 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 19:52:46 +0000
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoA=9bU9Di04ZvXio6Nx9ArJ5EzqRKBSdmYxbOuuhx7qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoA=9bU9Di04ZvXio6Nx9ArJ5EzqRKBSdmYxbOuuhx7qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D12E801-3104-4AAC-AC80-8607B65B5367@iotecdigital.com>

Funny, just before I read your post I was thinking, ?I wonder if this scales linearly or logarithmically?? GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! ;-)

Bob


On Feb 15, 2014, at 07:37 , Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com<mailto:gcanyon at gmail.com>> wrote:

For anyone who cares, I re-wrote Bob's code to handle a variable-length
string like so:



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb 16 14:52:17 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 14:52:17 -0500
Subject: udid
Message-ID: <CADCoycMCwJ-LSw20OPZKYRj+Lp94MUYtrw659mK_A9vRSXepFQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know we aren't supposed to use udid's for apps that go through the app
store, but what about my corporate apps, that aren't going through the app
store?  I actually NEED a udid/analog that is set in stone so I can control
the devices that are running corporate apps.

Push tokens change, so that won't help me.

Any other ideas?

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Feb 16 14:56:07 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:56:07 -0800
Subject: [OT] Richmond's DNS disease, was: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <5301107E.6060007@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>
	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>
	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>
	<153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>
	<5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>
	<5300740D.5020206@gmail.com> <53007CBD.8060102@gmail.com>
	<84300076792.20140216101356@ahsoftware.net>
	<5301107E.6060007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <171306207722.20140216115607@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Sunday, February 16, 2014, 11:24:46 AM, you wrote:

> On 2/16/14, 12:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> And turn off SSID broadcast - you'll have to type the SSID
>> manually in order to connect the first time, but it will keep your
>> router under the radar.
>>

> I had broadcasting turned off for years and wanted to keep it that way,
> but as soon as I got an Android device it couldn't find the network. I
> had to type in the credentials every time I got back home, or toggled
> wifi on. Very annoying, and I finally turned broadcasting back on.

> Apple devices try to ping all known networks repeatedly to see if any
> are active (a trade-off in battery depletion) so they don't have that
> problem, but Android just scans broadcasted networks to see if it 
> already knows any of them.

Maybe an old Android version? My Android devices automatically
reconnect when I'm home, and then reconnect when I'm at work. The work
network broadcasts the SSID, but my home one doesn't. YMM(obviously)V.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 16 15:02:53 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:02:53 +0000
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>
	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>
	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <579EAAB4-A7F7-4CED-9234-847372FF60A7@iotecdigital.com>

Okay so that means there is corruption in DNS. No surprisingly, since I have a Sprint WiFi cell data dongle which won?t work or work well when I use the default DNS, but when I switch to Google DNS it starts working famously. 

Another possible cause would be DNS cacheing. Changing the DNS setting will wipe the cache, so it is possible you may have had some old cache data that was not getting purged when it became stale. 

In the future, on PC?s use ipconfig /flushdns and on OS X (Tiger and beyond I believe) use dscacheutil -flushcache. As I mentioned, once you change the DNS this happens automagically. 

Bob


On Feb 15, 2014, at 11:43 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 15/02/14 21:30, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Richmond-
>> 
>> Hmmm... possible dns resolution issues?
>> Can you ping www.livecode.com ?
>> If not, can you ping 37.59.205.89 ?
>> 
>> You might also try reconfiguring your dns settings to point to
>> Google's dns servers at 8.8.8.8 to see if that helps.
>> 
> 
> pinging 37.59.205.89 perfectly well.
> 
> I edited /etc/resolv.conf with leafpad but putting this at the end:
> 
> |nameserver 208.67.222.222
> nameserver 208.67.220.220
> nameserver 202.51.5.52
> 
> and "bingo", everything is lovely.
> 
> Thank you so much for your advice.
> 
> Richmond.
> |
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 16 15:06:11 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:06:11 +0000
Subject: [OT] Richmond's DNS disease, was: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>
	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>
	<153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>
	<5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EA4F8D41-0638-4C84-B4E2-5920D7D78F2E@iotecdigital.com>

Pretty sure you can change the primary DNS on ALL devices, but you really are going about it properly by changing the DNS on the router instead. Wait until the monkeys are gone, then do as you please with the router.

Bob


On Feb 16, 2014, at 24:15 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>> wrote:

Well "semi-bingo" insofar as individual computers can now bypass the router's DNS setting (all the Linux boxes I have connected to my router),
but other devices (my wife's iPad, my G3 iMac running 9.2) cannot, and as such cannot access the websites that that DNS seems unable to reach.



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb 16 15:18:35 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:18:35 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Another:
When I'm in a script, and I select a handler/function and pick "Go To
Definition", I'd like to be able to have a "go back", like in a browser,
that takes me back to where I was in the script I just left.  If the code
is in a different script it's not a big deal, because a different tab
opens, but if it is a different part of the same script, it's a problem.


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Richard Gaskin <
> ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The only downside with that visualization is that it takes a large screen
> to really see what's going on.  Might be nice to also have some other
> automated graphic view - what else is floating around in the Git world for
> that?
> >
> Thanks Richard, very nice! As you say, you need a big screen but even
> without, you can tell that Monte must be an ADHD sufferer - which is
> perfect, he can't seem to keep himself from participating in every little
> branch ;-)
>
> It's not as self evident as the best info-graphics; it's not clear what the
> different colours represent or why certain blobs immediately appear large
> and stay basically the same size, rather than grow; obviously if you've
> been given the link to the gouce site you can figure it out. And as I
> previously mentioned, it would be nice if there was some sort of percentage
> indication as to an estimate of how complete a blob is.
>
> Still, I am very impressed with the amount of activity the Runrev Team +
> many others have devoted. How nice it would be if it were possible to have
> a link to a live update that allowed you to visualise the work from day 1
> 'til today. I was hoping that someone was going to reply to your Git world
> request.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 16 15:19:14 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:19:14 +0000
Subject: [OT] Richmond's DNS disease, was: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <5301107E.6060007@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>
	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>
	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>
	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>
	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>
	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>	<153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>
	<5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>	<5300740D.5020206@gmail.com>
	<53007CBD.8060102@gmail.com>
	<84300076792.20140216101356@ahsoftware.net>
	<5301107E.6060007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F72D300F-B618-4C1F-8DAF-21FC40412138@iotecdigital.com>

To Mark?s point, turning off SSID broadcasting is really only to keep the less-than-adept from jumping on your wireless. It really does nothing these days to secure your wireless. Neither does Mac Address Filtering by the way. Tools exist that can mimic your Mac Address, which can be discerned by motoring the radio traffic between your wireless and your connected devices. This is how wireless man in the middle attacks are achieved. This is also why they came up with WPA2. Seems disrupting the traffic between a wireless router and a host caused the host to attempt a reconnection during which time it retransmitted it?s credentials, which with WPA could be decrypted with some nasty tools you can get from bad people. WPA2 resolves that. I had the web guy at my last place of employ demonstrate this for me. 

Really, the ways to secure a wireless router that are effective is to turn off WDS, disable PnP and use strong encryption with a good random password. Mac Address filtering will keep the nosy neighbors at bay I suppose so it?s not entirely worthless, by you can download wireless scanners that can find all nearby wireless AP?s AND tell you what their SSID is, even if they do not broadcast it. 

Bob


On Feb 16, 2014, at 11:24 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 2/16/14, 12:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> And turn off SSID broadcast - you'll have to type the SSID
>> manually in order to connect the first time, but it will keep your
>> router under the radar.
>> 
> 
> I had broadcasting turned off for years and wanted to keep it that way, but as soon as I got an Android device it couldn't find the network. I had to type in the credentials every time I got back home, or toggled wifi on. Very annoying, and I finally turned broadcasting back on.
> 
> Apple devices try to ping all known networks repeatedly to see if any are active (a trade-off in battery depletion) so they don't have that problem, but Android just scans broadcasted networks to see if it already knows any of them.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 16 15:25:41 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:25:41 +0200
Subject: [OT] Richmond's DNS disease, was: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <84300076792.20140216101356@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>	<153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>	<5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>	<5300740D.5020206@gmail.com>
	<53007CBD.8060102@gmail.com>
	<84300076792.20140216101356@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <53011EC5.9000108@gmail.com>

On 16/02/14 20:13, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Sunday, February 16, 2014, 12:54:21 AM, you wrote:
>
>> So; I got into my TP-LINK router's settings and changed the DNS to one
>> of the ones I mentioned in an earlier posting:
>> had to physically restart the router (the soft restart just stopped the
>> thing working) as well as the cable modem: bingo,
>> hopefully "bigger bingo" than previously.
> Probably also worth flushing your dns cache
>
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rhel-debian-ubuntu-flush-clear-dns-cache/
>
> I usually set one of Google's dns servers as one of my alternates, not
> because I'm particularly enamored of Google, but because their servers
> support DNSSEC. It's not too widely supported yet, but getting more so
> to avoid dns poisoning and man-in-the-middle exploits.
>
> 8.8.8.8 or 8.8.4.4
>
> The next time you configure your router's settings, make sure that the
> "remote configuration" or whatever it's called on your router is
> turned off. You *did* change the default password, right? And if your
> wireless access is enabled, make sure you're using WPA encryption, not
> WEP. And turn off SSID broadcast - you'll have to type the SSID
> manually in order to connect the first time, but it will keep your
> router under the radar.
>

That is really very helpful advice: Thanks a bunch.

Richmond.



From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb 16 16:13:26 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:13:26 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <46298049008.20140216094008@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>
	<CAHg3tG8kpE-gQyztFmWnP5seBt1ub82b6JHFDT5D6-MGRoHcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNM_=jQ15kXhVG=dksxwXUBsLq3WTsKvTSMfMt89vY65g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG8ZmYMJkU5nC=mBNtWBjuKNZmHF8whzgghV0m20O0yU=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMW+NHTs7BOwDMCvh_QNS0A6QEtJEEPaCkBeO24K+1TCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<46298049008.20140216094008@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOdhZWqU1SG9z2s-j-YeUj_YEb1wuChCPTsi6zYNFtRTw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the explanation Mark.

Been prowling around the web for information on assert and I think I'm
getting clearer on its use.  Seems like it's really meant to detect the
infamous "this should never happen" situation rather than expected errors.,
kinda like a switch default statement to show an error message because the
case statements covered all the theoretically possible options.

But then you said:

"I use asserts all the time in my real-world coding, and I welcome their
introduction to the LC world."

And here I was thinking I was writing real world code :-)


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Pete-
>
> Sunday, February 16, 2014, 9:11:23 AM, you wrote:
>
> > All valid points. I'm just not seeing any big advantages over using
> if/then
> > constructs, but I can see that being a personal preference.
>
> Well, one advantage of assert is that the parameters pinpoint exactly
> where the error occurred, making your debugging and logging tasks
> easier. You don't need a switch statement to see what type of problem
> and where it happened, the engine hands that to you, and you can log
> it, display it in an answer dialog, whatever you want.
>
> You can ship code with assert commands in place, as they should be
> harmless and only come into play if something fails. Then when you
> change code your tests will tell you if something's going to break.
> You also have an extra bug reporting mechanism on the client end of
> things: if something happens to break your code even though it passed
> your dev tests, you can pop up the same log information and the your
> users can relay that back to you.
>
> Granted you could do all this without an assert command in the engine,
> and we've done that for years, but this makes things easier, cleaner,
> and helps the engine team ensure that they can catch bugs before they
> release builds to us. I use asserts all the time in my real-world
> coding, and I welcome their introduction to the LC world.
>
> That said, I think the assert command is still in its infancy, as it
> won't catch things like
>
> assert 1 / 0
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
> This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National
> Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not
> consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any
> related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting,
> disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received
> this communication in error, please delete it immediately.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb 16 16:17:31 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:17:31 -0800
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>

I'd vote for that one.  And while we're talking Script editor changes, how
about split screen (horizontally) display and perhaps the ability to move
tabs around.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> Another:
> When I'm in a script, and I select a handler/function and pick "Go To
> Definition", I'd like to be able to have a "go back", like in a browser,
> that takes me back to where I was in the script I just left.  If the code
> is in a different script it's not a big deal, because a different tab
> opens, but if it is a different part of the same script, it's a problem.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Richard Gaskin <
> > ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The only downside with that visualization is that it takes a large
> screen
> > to really see what's going on.  Might be nice to also have some other
> > automated graphic view - what else is floating around in the Git world
> for
> > that?
> > >
> > Thanks Richard, very nice! As you say, you need a big screen but even
> > without, you can tell that Monte must be an ADHD sufferer - which is
> > perfect, he can't seem to keep himself from participating in every little
> > branch ;-)
> >
> > It's not as self evident as the best info-graphics; it's not clear what
> the
> > different colours represent or why certain blobs immediately appear large
> > and stay basically the same size, rather than grow; obviously if you've
> > been given the link to the gouce site you can figure it out. And as I
> > previously mentioned, it would be nice if there was some sort of
> percentage
> > indication as to an estimate of how complete a blob is.
> >
> > Still, I am very impressed with the amount of activity the Runrev Team +
> > many others have devoted. How nice it would be if it were possible to
> have
> > a link to a live update that allowed you to visualise the work from day 1
> > 'til today. I was hoping that someone was going to reply to your Git
> world
> > request.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 16 16:38:58 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:38:58 +0200
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com>

On 16/02/14 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I'd vote for that one.  And while we're talking Script editor changes, how
> about split screen (horizontally) display and perhaps the ability to move
> tabs around.

It would be very useful if one could see two scripts, either 
side-by-side or above each other, simultaneously.

Richmond.





From kee at kagi.com  Sun Feb 16 16:54:25 2014
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:54:25 -0800
Subject: udid
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMCwJ-LSw20OPZKYRj+Lp94MUYtrw659mK_A9vRSXepFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMCwJ-LSw20OPZKYRj+Lp94MUYtrw659mK_A9vRSXepFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A623C0E7-8597-4BA2-A8D4-AE1F7BDF5FE0@kagi.com>

What about if the user logs in using their corporate login data and you assign them a unique id based upon that? Maybe your app gathers some data about the phone (model, whatever is available) to characterize the device to some degree in case they have multiple?

Kee Nethery

On Feb 16, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

> I know we aren't supposed to use udid's for apps that go through the app
> store, but what about my corporate apps, that aren't going through the app
> store?  I actually NEED a udid/analog that is set in stone so I can control
> the devices that are running corporate apps.
> 
> Push tokens change, so that won't help me.
> 
> Any other ideas?



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 16 18:31:27 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:31:27 -0600
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53014A4F.5060003@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/16/14, 3:38 PM, Richmond wrote:
> On 16/02/14 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> I'd vote for that one.  And while we're talking Script editor changes,
>> how
>> about split screen (horizontally) display and perhaps the ability to move
>> tabs around.
>
> It would be very useful if one could see two scripts, either
> side-by-side or above each other, simultaneously.

You already can. Right-click any script tab and choose to move the 
script to a new window. And if you never want tabs at all, you can turn 
them off entirely in preferences in the Script Editor pane ("Scripts 
open in:".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 16 18:35:46 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:35:46 -0600
Subject: [OT] Richmond's DNS disease, was: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <F72D300F-B618-4C1F-8DAF-21FC40412138@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>	<52FF53F8.6030007@gmail.com>	<740B3E2A-9AC8-492A-A97A-F5F77ADF52D2@pandora.be>	<52FF9107.4010206@gmail.com>	<CA+n2HHNcOay+5bO5NPwzsX=XaUWcKW_X-CAkxgPob5K5Oncq1A@mail.gmail.com>	<27075A72-CAA5-4FA9-97ED-50A687359892@major-k.de>	<52FFBA27.8070204@gmail.com>	<41218256001.20140215113014@ahsoftware.net>	<52FFC369.4040300@gmail.com>	<153220810666.20140215121248@ahsoftware.net>	<5300739E.6020904@gmail.com>	<5300740D.5020206@gmail.com>	<53007CBD.8060102@gmail.com>	<84300076792.20140216101356@ahsoftware.net>	<5301107E.6060007@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F72D300F-B618-4C1F-8DAF-21FC40412138@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <53014B52.6040609@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/16/14, 2:19 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> To Mark?s point, turning off SSID broadcasting is really only to keep
> the less-than-adept from jumping on your wireless. It really does
> nothing these days to secure your wireless. Neither does Mac Address
> Filtering by the way.

Yeah, I'd read that so I didn't feel too bad about broadcasting, but I 
still don't want it. Basically it's just because I'm so 
privacy-conscious. Not that the name of my router matters.

To Mark's point, I haven't tested broadcasting since I updated to, I 
think it was, ICS so maybe I'll try it again. I know in Froyo and 
Gingerbread it failed, and I'm on KitKat now so who knows.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 16 18:39:19 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:39:19 -0600
Subject: on returnInField - Next fld - Up - Down
In-Reply-To: <CAFarJbep8D6sehzFnwz33fTYb+tZde+QLpO5brQJZa3ZCYuHcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFarJbep8D6sehzFnwz33fTYb+tZde+QLpO5brQJZa3ZCYuHcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53014C27.90601@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/15/14, 10:16 AM, Jim sims wrote:
> Am setting up a lot of iOS flds so the user can hit the "Next" key and go
> to the next fld.
>
> I've sen a few instances where an up image or down image or "X" or "Done"
> have been added to the space above the keyboard. I'm referring to ability
> to go from fld to fld or hide the keyboard.
>
> Is the way to use LiveCode to do this or does one roll their own (have then
> hide and show above the keyboard as needed when the keyboard is deployed.

Some of the options in iphoneSetKeyboardReturnKey might work. There's 
one for "Next" and another for "Done".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Sun Feb 16 18:49:55 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:49:55 +0000
Subject: on returnInField - Next fld - Up - Down
In-Reply-To: <53014C27.90601@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAFarJbep8D6sehzFnwz33fTYb+tZde+QLpO5brQJZa3ZCYuHcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53014C27.90601@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDD896E@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>

I was too looking at this sometime ago and thought it would be a good external to make.
Sure it could be done out of pure LC but as native iOS objects sit on the layer above the LC objects it didn't work out too well when I tried it.

http://www.randomsequence.com/articles/adding-a-toolbar-with-next-previous-above-uitextfield-keyboard-iphone/



-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of J. Landman Gay
Sent: Monday, 17 February 2014 10:39
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: on returnInField - Next fld - Up - Down

On 2/15/14, 10:16 AM, Jim sims wrote:
> Am setting up a lot of iOS flds so the user can hit the "Next" key and go
> to the next fld.
>
> I've sen a few instances where an up image or down image or "X" or "Done"
> have been added to the space above the keyboard. I'm referring to ability
> to go from fld to fld or hide the keyboard.
>
> Is the way to use LiveCode to do this or does one roll their own (have then
> hide and show above the keyboard as needed when the keyboard is deployed.

Some of the options in iphoneSetKeyboardReturnKey might work. There's 
one for "Next" and another for "Done".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb 16 18:54:17 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 18:54:17 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <53014A4F.5060003@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com> <53014A4F.5060003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycN3zproKp_MRdJWZaKdaCre05osAeuiHk8qLD23HNXc5A@mail.gmail.com>

And as per previous, I'd like to be able to have two columns for reading
scripts (like pages of a book) for these extra-wide monitors.


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 6:31 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 2/16/14, 3:38 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 16/02/14 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>
>>> I'd vote for that one.  And while we're talking Script editor changes,
>>> how
>>> about split screen (horizontally) display and perhaps the ability to move
>>> tabs around.
>>>
>>
>> It would be very useful if one could see two scripts, either
>> side-by-side or above each other, simultaneously.
>>
>
> You already can. Right-click any script tab and choose to move the script
> to a new window. And if you never want tabs at all, you can turn them off
> entirely in preferences in the Script Editor pane ("Scripts open in:".
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb 16 19:54:38 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 16:54:38 -0800
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <53014A4F.5060003@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com> <53014A4F.5060003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNjeaFH=0UZgZNTiGZqkE48Oian1nmGk18PzxQQ3dYUag@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for that Jacque.  I knew about the prefs setting but not moving a
tab into another window.

My split pane suggestion was  to see separate parts of the same script, one
above the other.  With that, right clicking on a handler name and going to
its definition would show both the original handler and the one you went to

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 3:31 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 2/16/14, 3:38 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 16/02/14 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote:
>>
>>> I'd vote for that one.  And while we're talking Script editor changes,
>>> how
>>> about split screen (horizontally) display and perhaps the ability to move
>>> tabs around.
>>>
>>
>> It would be very useful if one could see two scripts, either
>> side-by-side or above each other, simultaneously.
>>
>
> You already can. Right-click any script tab and choose to move the script
> to a new window. And if you never want tabs at all, you can turn them off
> entirely in preferences in the Script Editor pane ("Scripts open in:".
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From mgruenthal at mac.com  Sun Feb 16 21:32:30 2014
From: mgruenthal at mac.com (Michael Gruenthal)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 21:32:30 -0500
Subject: udid
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMCwJ-LSw20OPZKYRj+Lp94MUYtrw659mK_A9vRSXepFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMCwJ-LSw20OPZKYRj+Lp94MUYtrw659mK_A9vRSXepFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF26DE93.45F1F%mgruenthal@mac.com>

What about iphoneIdentifierForVendor()?


On 2/16/14, 2:52 PM, "Mike Kerner" <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

>I know we aren't supposed to use udid's for apps that go through the app
>store, but what about my corporate apps, that aren't going through the app
>store?  I actually NEED a udid/analog that is set in stone so I can
>control
>the devices that are running corporate apps.
>
>Push tokens change, so that won't help me.
>
>Any other ideas?
>
>-- 
>On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>On the second day, God created the oceans.
>On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
>And God said, "This is good."
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode





From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Feb 16 22:23:10 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:23:10 -0500
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <6D12E801-3104-4AAC-AC80-8607B65B5367@iotecdigital.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoA=9bU9Di04ZvXio6Nx9ArJ5EzqRKBSdmYxbOuuhx7qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D12E801-3104-4AAC-AC80-8607B65B5367@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtooCtoxsKfyc=H9tpow24r3DZGkJAO8+FDubi9=eZo6vA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> Funny, just before I read your post I was thinking, "I wonder if this
> scales linearly or logarithmically?" GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! ;-)
>

It's pretty much my personal quest to convince everyone never to use repeat
with i = 1 to the number of anything.


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb 16 23:19:03 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 23:19:03 -0500
Subject: udid
In-Reply-To: <CF26DE93.45F1F%mgruenthal@mac.com>
References: <CADCoycMCwJ-LSw20OPZKYRj+Lp94MUYtrw659mK_A9vRSXepFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF26DE93.45F1F%mgruenthal@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMXoFzVF+6Hb-Stg6ywhC+q0t1byu8hzJQKr9opnZgJYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Changes if the app is uninstalled, and I THINK it returns all 0's in ios7
(but don't quote me on that)


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Michael Gruenthal <mgruenthal at mac.com>wrote:

> What about iphoneIdentifierForVendor()?
>
>
> On 2/16/14, 2:52 PM, "Mike Kerner" <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
> >I know we aren't supposed to use udid's for apps that go through the app
> >store, but what about my corporate apps, that aren't going through the app
> >store?  I actually NEED a udid/analog that is set in stone so I can
> >control
> >the devices that are running corporate apps.
> >
> >Push tokens change, so that won't help me.
> >
> >Any other ideas?
> >
> >--
> >On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> >On the second day, God created the oceans.
> >On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
> >   and did a little diving.
> >And God said, "This is good."
> >_______________________________________________
> >use-livecode mailing list
> >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >subscription preferences:
> >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Mon Feb 17 01:26:11 2014
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 22:26:11 -0800
Subject: Android Push Registration Error
Message-ID: <040BE2AA-A07D-4228-B48C-5931FFB8D166@clearvisiontech.com>

Greetings!

I am experiencing an error when my android app attempts to register the device (on launch) to GCM.  pushNotificationRegistrationError returns this:

error APA91bH...[a whole bunch of crud]...YV2Yg
insert error
Table 'xxxxxx.xxxxx' doesn't exist
update error
Table 'xxxxxx.xxxxx' doesn't exist

(xxxxxx.xxxxx is a [modified] string of my username and app name)

Just to be clear, this insert error is not coming from me. This is when the app launches and attempts to register with GCM.

I have the app registered in the Developer's Console, Google Cloud Messaging for Android is enabled, I have the app ID in the "Push Sender ID" in LC's Application Settings and I made a keystore for signing in Terminal.

I have done this exact procedure for several other apps that are working fine.  I have compared the apps side by side and everything looks correct.

Anyone have any idea what this is or how to resolve it?


A great many thanks in advance,
- Dan


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Feb 17 03:41:05 2014
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim sims)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:41:05 +0000
Subject: on returnInField - Next fld - Up - Down
In-Reply-To: <53014C27.90601@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAFarJbep8D6sehzFnwz33fTYb+tZde+QLpO5brQJZa3ZCYuHcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53014C27.90601@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAFarJbeS_smXsB1bD=vUEE1Nm+GxYZM6er2nn0Z6vU5pszi4DQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks - was hoping for next, done, but also a back or previous. Will see
if settling for next & done satisfies. Thanks.

sims

On Sunday, February 16, 2014, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 2/15/14, 10:16 AM, Jim sims wrote:
>
>> Am setting up a lot of iOS flds so the user can hit the "Next" key and go
>> to the next fld.
>>
>> I've sen a few instances where an up image or down image or "X" or "Done"
>> have been added to the space above the keyboard. I'm referring to ability
>> to go from fld to fld or hide the keyboard.
>>
>> Is the way to use LiveCode to do this or does one roll their own (have
>> then
>> hide and show above the keyboard as needed when the keyboard is deployed.
>>
>
> Some of the options in iphoneSetKeyboardReturnKey might work. There's one
> for "Next" and another for "Done".
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |
>


From feed at smpcsupport.com  Mon Feb 17 08:27:45 2014
From: feed at smpcsupport.com (LiveCode Feeds)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 00:27:45 +1100
Subject: 3D Raycasting in LiveCode?
Message-ID: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>

Hi,

I have been experimenting with raycasting algorithms in LiveCode. (To see if it
can be done at a reasonable frame rate, and to learn about raycasting at the
same time.)

There is now a demo that works, sort of. It's called Spider Hunt and you can
find it here.

http://livecodegamedeveloper.com/blog/2014-02-17/livecode-experiment-3d-raycasting.lc

Hopefully someone can have a little fun with it, or finds it interesting.

Scott.
--
Scott McDonald
"Components, Controls, Tools and Resources for LiveCode"
http://www.runrevplanet.com
http://livecodegamedeveloper.com/
http://livecodegamedev.net/



From mgruenthal at mac.com  Mon Feb 17 08:46:20 2014
From: mgruenthal at mac.com (Michael Gruenthal)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:46:20 -0500
Subject: udid
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMXoFzVF+6Hb-Stg6ywhC+q0t1byu8hzJQKr9opnZgJYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycMCwJ-LSw20OPZKYRj+Lp94MUYtrw659mK_A9vRSXepFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF26DE93.45F1F%mgruenthal@mac.com>
	<CADCoycMXoFzVF+6Hb-Stg6ywhC+q0t1byu8hzJQKr9opnZgJYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF277BAA.45F73%mgruenthal@mac.com>

It works fine in iOS7, but yes- it will change if all of your apps are
uninstalled. If you?ll be supervising devices via Configurator I think
there's a way to prevent that, but I haven?t played with it much.

On 2/16/14, 11:19 PM, "Mike Kerner" <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:

>Changes if the app is uninstalled, and I THINK it returns all 0's in ios7
>(but don't quote me on that)
>
>
>On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Michael Gruenthal
><mgruenthal at mac.com>wrote:
>
>> What about iphoneIdentifierForVendor()?
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/14, 2:52 PM, "Mike Kerner" <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I know we aren't supposed to use udid's for apps that go through the
>>app
>> >store, but what about my corporate apps, that aren't going through the
>>app
>> >store?  I actually NEED a udid/analog that is set in stone so I can
>> >control
>> >the devices that are running corporate apps.
>> >
>> >Push tokens change, so that won't help me.
>> >
>> >Any other ideas?
>> >
>> >--
>> >On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>> >On the second day, God created the oceans.
>> >On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>> >   and did a little diving.
>> >And God said, "This is good."
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >use-livecode mailing list
>> >use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >subscription preferences:
>> >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
>On the second day, God created the oceans.
>On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>   and did a little diving.
>And God said, "This is good."
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode





From jbv at souslelogo.com  Mon Feb 17 09:08:40 2014
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:08:40 +0200
Subject: revBrowser and modal stack
Message-ID: <4dc8f28fef29000dfd293dcbfedc0d46.squirrel@185.8.104.234>

Hi list,
I am using revBrowser in a pop-up stack.
When I use "open stack mystack", revBrowserOpen works fine
and displays the requested webpage.
When I use "modal stack mystack", revBrowserOpen doesn't
seem to work, as nothing displays. In both cases an integer is
returned by revBrowserOpen, which means that nothing went
wrong...
I'm on OSX 10.5.8 for the moment, and the problem is the
same with LC 4.5.3 (on which the stack was originally made)
and LC 6.5 .
What am I missing ?

Thanks,
jbv




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 17 09:14:34 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:14:34 +0100
Subject: revBrowser and modal stack
In-Reply-To: <4dc8f28fef29000dfd293dcbfedc0d46.squirrel@185.8.104.234>
References: <4dc8f28fef29000dfd293dcbfedc0d46.squirrel@185.8.104.234>
Message-ID: <5302194A.5030704@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jbv,

One possibility is that the external works but that the page doesn't 
load because the modal dialog is blocking. Not very likely to be the 
case, though.

Another possibility is that the modal dialog disaplays on top of the 
browser window. The browser isn't a real control but a window drawn on 
top of the stack window. Modal dialogs are drawn in a layer in front of 
all other windows of an app, possibly including the browser windows. 
That means that you can't do what you want.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/17/2014 15:08, jbv at souslelogo.com wrote:
> Hi list,
> I am using revBrowser in a pop-up stack.
> When I use "open stack mystack", revBrowserOpen works fine
> and displays the requested webpage.
> When I use "modal stack mystack", revBrowserOpen doesn't
> seem to work, as nothing displays. In both cases an integer is
> returned by revBrowserOpen, which means that nothing went
> wrong...
> I'm on OSX 10.5.8 for the moment, and the problem is the
> same with LC 4.5.3 (on which the stack was originally made)
> and LC 6.5 .
> What am I missing ?
>
> Thanks,
> jbv
>
>



From jbv at souslelogo.com  Mon Feb 17 09:29:52 2014
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:29:52 +0200
Subject: revBrowser and modal stack
In-Reply-To: <5302194A.5030704@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4dc8f28fef29000dfd293dcbfedc0d46.squirrel@185.8.104.234>
	<5302194A.5030704@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <242cbe188180be9f80f6a435d6e24708.squirrel@185.8.104.234>


> Another possibility is that the modal dialog disaplays on top of the
> browser window. The browser isn't a real control but a window drawn on
> top of the stack window. Modal dialogs are drawn in a layer in front of
> all other windows of an app, possibly including the browser windows.
> That means that you can't do what you want.
>

Hi Mark,
Thanks for your reply.
If I understand you well, since the modal stack occupies only a small part
of the screen, when moving it I should see the browser window underneath,
actually on top of the main stack that calls the modal stack...
Am I wrong on this ?

Best,
jbv




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 17 10:09:57 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:09:57 +0100
Subject: revBrowser and modal stack
In-Reply-To: <242cbe188180be9f80f6a435d6e24708.squirrel@185.8.104.234>
References: <4dc8f28fef29000dfd293dcbfedc0d46.squirrel@185.8.104.234>
	<5302194A.5030704@economy-x-talk.com>
	<242cbe188180be9f80f6a435d6e24708.squirrel@185.8.104.234>
Message-ID: <CD36131D-0DF4-4EB4-8C3E-D581845180D4@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi jbv,

I don't think so, as the browser window might be rendered incorrectly "on top" of a window that doesn't have a layer in front of itself anymore and because the browser window is supposed to move with its parent window. Probably the latter makes more sense than the former.

--
Kind regards,

Mark Schonewille
Economy-x-Talk
Http://economy-x-talk.com

Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com


Op 17 feb. 2014 om 15:29 heeft jbv at souslelogo.com het volgende geschreven:

> 
>> Another possibility is that the modal dialog disaplays on top of the
>> browser window. The browser isn't a real control but a window drawn on
>> top of the stack window. Modal dialogs are drawn in a layer in front of
>> all other windows of an app, possibly including the browser windows.
>> That means that you can't do what you want.
> 
> Hi Mark,
> Thanks for your reply.
> If I understand you well, since the modal stack occupies only a small part
> of the screen, when moving it I should see the browser window underneath,
> actually on top of the main stack that calls the modal stack...
> Am I wrong on this ?
> 
> Best,
> jbv
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Mon Feb 17 10:22:00 2014
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 10:22:00 -0500
Subject: 3D Raycasting in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>
Message-ID: <0B3A8EF3-357C-478F-B84E-9E45B0DFD6DB@all-auctions.com>

Hi Scott,

This looks like an interesting project you put together.

Just a note about your visible corner problem.
That has always been a problem in these games.
Something in the math I think as z approaches infinity?

The way most games solved this problem was to
use curved corner wall intersections.  "Marathon Infinity?
is a good example of this. Instead of having a 
corner like this:   <  make it more like:  (  .
You?ll find the raycast algorithm likes it a lot better!

Thank you for your efforts on this great demo!

Rick

On Feb 17, 2014, at 8:27 AM, LiveCode Feeds <feed at smpcsupport.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have been experimenting with raycasting algorithms in LiveCode. (To see if it
> can be done at a reasonable frame rate, and to learn about raycasting at the
> same time.)
> 
> There is now a demo that works, sort of. It's called Spider Hunt and you can
> find it here.
> 
> http://livecodegamedeveloper.com/blog/2014-02-17/livecode-experiment-3d-raycasting.lc
> 
> Hopefully someone can have a little fun with it, or finds it interesting.
> 
> Scott.
> --
> Scott McDonald
> "Components, Controls, Tools and Resources for LiveCode"
> http://www.runrevplanet.com
> http://livecodegamedeveloper.com/
> http://livecodegamedev.net/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode





From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Feb 17 10:58:56 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 10:58:56 -0500
Subject: 3D Raycasting in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>
Message-ID: <494321FF-1ED2-49B1-B677-BF2CFBA06DCE@verizon.net>

The game works well, at 20 fps. Would it be possible to make the A and D keys do strafing instead of turning?


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb 17 11:16:32 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:16:32 +0000
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E09DE573-F496-40B8-AC0F-F84EFD405DAD@iotecdigital.com>

GLX2 used to do this if I recall, and so did Remo. I wonder if the code is still there somewhere?

Bob


On Feb 16, 2014, at 13:38 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 16/02/14 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> I'd vote for that one.  And while we're talking Script editor changes, how
>> about split screen (horizontally) display and perhaps the ability to move
>> tabs around.
> 
> It would be very useful if one could see two scripts, either side-by-side or above each other, simultaneously.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb 17 11:25:01 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:25:01 +0000
Subject: revBrowser and modal stack
In-Reply-To: <CD36131D-0DF4-4EB4-8C3E-D581845180D4@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4dc8f28fef29000dfd293dcbfedc0d46.squirrel@185.8.104.234>
	<5302194A.5030704@economy-x-talk.com>
	<242cbe188180be9f80f6a435d6e24708.squirrel@185.8.104.234>
	<CD36131D-0DF4-4EB4-8C3E-D581845180D4@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <10FA6EFB-074C-422A-ACFB-E3A1B3B56194@iotecdigital.com>

It?s been my experience that the revBrowser paints on top of everything. I don?t believe I?ve tried with Modal windows AFTER I activated a browser, but if it is as unwieldy as I remember it being, revBrowser will trump ALL attempts to put something in front of it that is running in the same stack. 

Now that being the case, have you thought of writing a standalone that did nothing but run a revBrowser? You can pass it arguments via Applescript or else using sockets. I did something similar to create a floating progress dialog to which I passed messages telling it what kind of animation I wanted, what buttons to show and activate (if any) and what message to display. Because it was a standalone, it operated independently of the main app or IDE. 

Bob


On Feb 17, 2014, at 07:09 , Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi jbv,
> 
> I don't think so, as the browser window might be rendered incorrectly "on top" of a window that doesn't have a layer in front of itself anymore and because the browser window is supposed to move with its parent window. Probably the latter makes more sense than the former.
> 
> --
> Kind regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> Economy-x-Talk
> Http://economy-x-talk.com
> 
> Share the clipboard of your computer over a local network with Clipboard Link http://clipboardlink.economy-x-talk.com
> 
> 
> Op 17 feb. 2014 om 15:29 heeft jbv at souslelogo.com het volgende geschreven:
> 
>> 
>>> Another possibility is that the modal dialog disaplays on top of the
>>> browser window. The browser isn't a real control but a window drawn on
>>> top of the stack window. Modal dialogs are drawn in a layer in front of
>>> all other windows of an app, possibly including the browser windows.
>>> That means that you can't do what you want.
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> Thanks for your reply.
>> If I understand you well, since the modal stack occupies only a small part
>> of the screen, when moving it I should see the browser window underneath,
>> actually on top of the main stack that calls the modal stack...
>> Am I wrong on this ?
>> 
>> Best,
>> jbv
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jbv at souslelogo.com  Mon Feb 17 11:37:30 2014
From: jbv at souslelogo.com (jbv at souslelogo.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:37:30 +0200
Subject: revBrowser and modal stack
In-Reply-To: <10FA6EFB-074C-422A-ACFB-E3A1B3B56194@iotecdigital.com>
References: <4dc8f28fef29000dfd293dcbfedc0d46.squirrel@185.8.104.234>
	<5302194A.5030704@economy-x-talk.com>
	<242cbe188180be9f80f6a435d6e24708.squirrel@185.8.104.234>
	<CD36131D-0DF4-4EB4-8C3E-D581845180D4@economy-x-talk.com>
	<10FA6EFB-074C-422A-ACFB-E3A1B3B56194@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <f68bae4bba794adb13873988dbbb5fba.squirrel@185.8.104.234>

Bob,

Thanks for the advice.
But since what I'm trying to do is just a nice add-on to a client's app (the
client didn't ask for it), I don't want to spend too much time on this...
To make things clear, what I am trying to do is to use revBrowser inside
a modal stack. IOW revBrowser is activated AFTER the "modal stack"
command... So my guess was that revBrowser would display on top of
everyting, including a modal stack...
jbv

> It?s been my experience that the revBrowser paints on top of everything. I
> don?t believe I?ve tried with Modal windows AFTER I activated a browser,
> but if it is as unwieldy as I remember it being, revBrowser will trump ALL
> attempts to put something in front of it that is running in the same
> stack.
>
> Now that being the case, have you thought of writing a standalone that did
> nothing but run a revBrowser? You can pass it arguments via Applescript or
> else using sockets. I did something similar to create a floating progress
> dialog to which I passed messages telling it what kind of animation I
> wanted, what buttons to show and activate (if any) and what message to
> display. Because it was a standalone, it operated independently of the
> main app or IDE.
>
> Bob
>




From john at splash21.com  Mon Feb 17 12:49:29 2014
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:49:29 +0000
Subject: 3D Raycasting in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>
Message-ID: <53024BA9.203@splash21.com>

Brilliant demo, Scott - runs very nicely on a 2010 MBP :D


On 17/02/2014 13:27, LiveCode Feeds wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been experimenting with raycasting algorithms in LiveCode. (To see if it
> can be done at a reasonable frame rate, and to learn about raycasting at the
> same time.)
>
> There is now a demo that works, sort of. It's called Spider Hunt and you can
> find it here.
>
> http://livecodegamedeveloper.com/blog/2014-02-17/livecode-experiment-3d-raycasting.lc
>
> Hopefully someone can have a little fun with it, or finds it interesting.
>
> Scott.
> --
> Scott McDonald
> "Components, Controls, Tools and Resources for LiveCode"
> http://www.runrevplanet.com
> http://livecodegamedeveloper.com/
> http://livecodegamedev.net/
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>




From ben at runrev.com  Mon Feb 17 12:49:54 2014
From: ben at runrev.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:49:54 +0000
Subject: rIDE
Message-ID: <CADd0_Tz068tY_JpcPS2mzxzLZ5gQWnMbxN-N1pSKp_s_g59AtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,

I wanted to email to make you aware of a the rIDE open-source project. The
project lead or proposer is Mats Wilstand, a regular contributor here. Many
of you will know him from our RunRevLive conferences too. The project,
rIDE, will be familiar to many of you. It is an integrated tools
palette/project browser/property inspector whose focus is performance. If
you would like more information I would recommend heading over to the
contributors forum where Mats has posted details on how to get it and
feedback.

http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=79

If you are interested in contributing to a LiveCode based open source
project, this is a great place to start. Mats has a vision to extend this
project much further so there is plenty to be getting involved in.

We're thrilled to see so many open source project related to LiveCode
popping up and where we can support a project we will. rIDE is certainly
one we'll be pleased to contribute to.

If you have a project you'd like us to support, please don't hesitate to
get in touch.

Warm regards,

Ben

-- 
_____________________________________________

Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd

LiveCode Product Manager
mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
email : ben at runrev.com
company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23
fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487
web : www.runrev.com

LiveCode - Programming made simple


From ben at runrev.com  Mon Feb 17 12:59:30 2014
From: ben at runrev.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:59:30 +0000
Subject: 3D Raycasting in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <53024BA9.203@splash21.com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>
	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>

Scott, this is brilliant. Well done! Quite a few team members came over to
look at the demo running on my system and tipped their hats to you. If
you'd like us to do a little performance profiling on the engine we'd be
happy to take a look at that for you if you send through the source. We may
be able to suggest optimisations based on the results.

Warm regards,

Ben


On 17 February 2014 17:49, John Craig <john at splash21.com> wrote:

> Brilliant demo, Scott - runs very nicely on a 2010 MBP :D
>
>
>
> On 17/02/2014 13:27, LiveCode Feeds wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been experimenting with raycasting algorithms in LiveCode. (To see
>> if it
>> can be done at a reasonable frame rate, and to learn about raycasting at
>> the
>> same time.)
>>
>> There is now a demo that works, sort of. It's called Spider Hunt and you
>> can
>> find it here.
>>
>> http://livecodegamedeveloper.com/blog/2014-02-17/livecode-
>> experiment-3d-raycasting.lc
>>
>> Hopefully someone can have a little fun with it, or finds it interesting.
>>
>> Scott.
>> --
>> Scott McDonald
>> "Components, Controls, Tools and Resources for LiveCode"
>> http://www.runrevplanet.com
>> http://livecodegamedeveloper.com/
>> http://livecodegamedev.net/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
_____________________________________________

Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd

LiveCode Product Manager
mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
email : ben at runrev.com
company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23
fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487
web : www.runrev.com

LiveCode - Programming made simple


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Feb 17 13:01:06 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:01:06 -0500
Subject: rIDE
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_Tz068tY_JpcPS2mzxzLZ5gQWnMbxN-N1pSKp_s_g59AtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_Tz068tY_JpcPS2mzxzLZ5gQWnMbxN-N1pSKp_s_g59AtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNC-SSAuGCPUM4+udzhS=DsqAHVCtjS63vk-dkXCNPt7A@mail.gmail.com>

So...why not integrate it with the main project?


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear list members,
>
> I wanted to email to make you aware of a the rIDE open-source project. The
> project lead or proposer is Mats Wilstand, a regular contributor here. Many
> of you will know him from our RunRevLive conferences too. The project,
> rIDE, will be familiar to many of you. It is an integrated tools
> palette/project browser/property inspector whose focus is performance. If
> you would like more information I would recommend heading over to the
> contributors forum where Mats has posted details on how to get it and
> feedback.
>
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=79
>
> If you are interested in contributing to a LiveCode based open source
> project, this is a great place to start. Mats has a vision to extend this
> project much further so there is plenty to be getting involved in.
>
> We're thrilled to see so many open source project related to LiveCode
> popping up and where we can support a project we will. rIDE is certainly
> one we'll be pleased to contribute to.
>
> If you have a project you'd like us to support, please don't hesitate to
> get in touch.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ben
>
> --
> _____________________________________________
>
> Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd
>
> LiveCode Product Manager
> mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
> email : ben at runrev.com
> company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23
> fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487
> web : www.runrev.com
>
> LiveCode - Programming made simple
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From john at splash21.com  Mon Feb 17 13:04:38 2014
From: john at splash21.com (John Craig)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:04:38 +0000
Subject: [ANN] MobGUI V1.22 and SVG icon files
In-Reply-To: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
References: <52FD3894.4060609@splash21.com>
Message-ID: <53024F36.1060607@splash21.com>

After testing on a few different devices, the carousel has been updated 
to be more responsive.  V1.24 seems much more useable - tested on 
iPhone4, iPad3 and low res android tablet so far.  If anyone else has 
feedback, feel free to mail, etc.

TIA!


On 13/02/2014 21:26, John Craig wrote:
> I've updated MobGUI to V1.22 - it now has a palette to set up the 
> carousel control.
> There's a short video demonstration at http://youtu.be/R1LOomoJSbU
>
> I've also added another download to www.mobgui.com - the SVG icon 
> files used to
> create the mobguicons fonts.  For more info : 
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19125&p=96468#p96468
>
> :D
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>




From ray at linkit.com  Mon Feb 17 13:24:38 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:24:38 -0500
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>
	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>

Fellow LC Users,

I'm trying to provide users with a 'magic wand' style tool.  Click an 
image, pick up the color clicked and turn every pixel of that same color 
in the image transparent.

The loop I've written takes about 30 seconds to run on a 600 by 700 
pixel image, which is a problem, but worse, click anywhere before it's 
finished and Livecode 'appears' to crash.  I say 'appears' because the 
cursor turns into the crash cursor and the title bar displays 'not 
responding'.  After the loop is done Livecode returns to normal.

I'll include the loop, below.

How do I stop LC from appearing to crash while running this loop, or how 
to speed it up.

Thanks,

Ray
LinkIt! Software

on mouseUp
    lock messages
    put the mousecolor into myColor
    put the mouseloc into myLoc
    put the imagedata of img 1 into totColorData
    put the alphadata of img 1 into totAlphaData
    put numToChar(item 1 of myColor) into binColor
    put numToChar(item 2 of myColor) after binColor
    put numToChar(item 3 of myColor) after binColor
    put numtochar(0) into bin0               -- transparency
    repeat for each char curBin in totAlphaData
       if char 2 to 4 of totColorData = binColor then
          put bin0 after newAlphaData
       else put curBin after newAlphaData
       delete char 1 to 4 of totColorData
       set the cursor to busy
    end repeat
    set the alphadata of img 1 to newAlphaData
end mouseUp




From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Feb 17 13:40:42 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:40:42 -0500
Subject: rIDE
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_Tz068tY_JpcPS2mzxzLZ5gQWnMbxN-N1pSKp_s_g59AtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_Tz068tY_JpcPS2mzxzLZ5gQWnMbxN-N1pSKp_s_g59AtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8367D073-3ADF-4B15-9C48-1B640F996316@verizon.net>

Could you check whether rIDE is using any reserved keywords? scaleFactor, for example.


From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Feb 17 13:57:42 2014
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:57:42 +0100
Subject: rIDE
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1380016802.13053.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1380016802.13053.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F1B64CE3-7826-4D32-AE8E-470B5E5A3B5B@derbrill.de>

Hey Colin,

scaleFactor is my fault. rIDE carries animationEngine with it for demo purposes. A fixed version of animationEngine will be uploaded tonight.

Cheers,

Malte




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Feb 17 14:37:08 2014
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:37:08 +0000
Subject: Getting UTF8 data from Oracle, using revdb
In-Reply-To: <32E46A20-A9C6-4B78-B495-EC869A1B3D5B@sahores-conseil.com>
References: <52FE700A.3000909@cogapp.com>
	<32E46A20-A9C6-4B78-B495-EC869A1B3D5B@sahores-conseil.com>
Message-ID: <530264E4.4080606@cogapp.com>

Bonjour Pierre,

Thank you for your response.  Unfortunately, alas, it appears that Oracle 
doesn't work the same way as PostgreSQL in this respect.  Although, 
surprisingly (to me) it accepts an instruction such as
	SET client_encoding TO 'LATIN9'"
with the result
	ORA00000: normal, succesful completion

it does not appear to have any effect (nor does any variation of the parameter 
to the client encoding).

With your suggestion as a clue, further googling suggests that with Oracle, 
there is no way to change the encoding once the connection is opened.  (Indeed 
one remark suggests that [Oracle] "only allocates one OCI environment at the 
time of the first connect, and so OCI only reads NLS_LANG once. This 
environment is then shared across all future connections".)  So the question 
then is how the LiveCode driver for Oracle is implemented, and how it sets the 
"NLS_LANG" or "NLS_CHARACTERSET"?

Which leads me back to asking - has anyone successfully read UTF8 data from 
Oracle?

Many thanks,

Ben


On 15/02/2014 10:44, Pierre Sahores wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> Did't had to deal with Oracle backends for a while now but it should work in the same way PostgreSQL UTF8 configured dbs does. Here is what works under PostgreSQL 8.4 to 9.2 :
>
>
> The worflow configuration context : LC Editor client app / Web Browser <- internet -> LC server socket lisrener .lc script <--> LC lib stack.livecode <- localhost -> PostgreSQL ;
>
>
> Each LC server to PostgreSQL connection begins with the following line of code :
>
> revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,"SET client_encoding TO 'LATIN9';"
>
> before any inteaction (INSERT  /UPDATE / SELECT) follows as below described :
>
>
> 1.- Sending "INSERT / UPDATE" urlencoded data via "POST" to the server :
>
> - Web browsers : UTF8 sets a as the charset (Head metatag of the displayed HTML) ;
>
> 1.2.- Insert/Update with LC Editor client app running under windows (ISO charset) : nothing to code on the LC Editor client app side : PostgreSQL automatically converts the ISO received datas to UTF8 before inserting them in the database ;
>
> 1.3.- Insert/Update with LC Editor client app running under macos x (Mac Roman charset) : i just apply a MacToISO conversion to the datas to be posted to the server before sending them : PostgreSQL automatically converts the ISO received datas to UTF8 before inserting them in the database ;
>
> 1.4.-  Insert/Update with LC Editor client app running under Linux (untested) : should work in the same way Windows does ;
>
>
> 2.- Retrieving "SELECT" data from the server and displaying them on the client app :
>
> 2.1.- Web browsers : UTF8 sets as the charset (Head metatag of the displayed HTML) ;
>
> 2.2.- LC client app running under windows or android : nothing to do ;
>
> 2.3.- LC client app running under mac os x or iOS : IsotoMac conversion of the received data before using them ;
>
> 2.4.- LC client app running under Linux (untested) : should work in the same way Windows does ;
>
>
> In your own context, and as long as no special coding would be needed to have your Windows LC client app against PostgreSQL, i suspect that using :
>
> revExecuteSQL myDatabaseID,"SET client_encoding TO 'LATIN9';"
>
> should do the job. If not testing other client_encoding options would be what to test first.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Pierre
>
>
> Le 14 f?vr. 2014 ? 20:35, Ben Rubinstein a ?crit :
>
>> I'm having trouble getting some data from an Oracle database using a LiveCode app.
>>
>> The application is running on a Windows 2008r2 machine, addressing Oracle Database 11g Release 11.2.0.2.0 - 64bit Production.
>>
>> The particular column in the database is apparently in UTF8, according to the Oracle SQL Developer application.  And making the SQL query in that app returns the text as expected.  But making the query through the LiveCode, characters such as the degree symbol, or a right single quote, come through as "?".  I don't think this is happening in my script - I think that the data has been pre-converted before LiveCode gets it.  (Unfortunately I can only access the database by moving a compiled standalone onto the Windows 2008 machine and running it there - I can't operate interactively.)
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience of this, including that might confirm that it should be possible?  If this was through ODBC I'd be looking at the DSN properties for character set conversion, but for Oracle it's a direct driver, so I don't know how this would work.
>>
>> Is it possible that the Oracle driver is just so old (I can't see any evidence that it's been updated for years) that it somehow connects to the database in a way that causes the database not to offer it UTF8?
>>
>> Any suggestions, tips, or personal experience gratefully received.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> --
> Pierre Sahores
> mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
> www.sahores-conseil.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>




From paul at researchware.com  Mon Feb 17 14:57:50 2014
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:57:50 -0500
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>
	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>

Ray,

Is this behavior (title bar saying "not responding", etc.) happening
under Windows 8 perchance?

If so, we've seen the same or similar behavior under Windows 8 in long
repeat loops. We've found that including a "wait for 1 millisecond with
messages" line in the loop and this mostly lets Windows think the
application is in fact responding. I say mostly because if you watch the
task manager, the app switches between "not responding" and responding
(i.e. no note next to the name) with some regularity. Without the "wait"
statement in the loop the app is listed in the task bar continuously as
"not responding" while the loop is executing.

Paul Dupuis
Researchware

On 2/17/2014 1:24 PM, Ray wrote:
> Fellow LC Users,
>
> I'm trying to provide users with a 'magic wand' style tool.  Click an
> image, pick up the color clicked and turn every pixel of that same
> color in the image transparent.
>
> The loop I've written takes about 30 seconds to run on a 600 by 700
> pixel image, which is a problem, but worse, click anywhere before it's
> finished and Livecode 'appears' to crash.  I say 'appears' because the
> cursor turns into the crash cursor and the title bar displays 'not
> responding'.  After the loop is done Livecode returns to normal.
>
> I'll include the loop, below.
>
> How do I stop LC from appearing to crash while running this loop, or
> how to speed it up.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
> LinkIt! Software
>
> on mouseUp
>    lock messages
>    put the mousecolor into myColor
>    put the mouseloc into myLoc
>    put the imagedata of img 1 into totColorData
>    put the alphadata of img 1 into totAlphaData
>    put numToChar(item 1 of myColor) into binColor
>    put numToChar(item 2 of myColor) after binColor
>    put numToChar(item 3 of myColor) after binColor
>    put numtochar(0) into bin0               -- transparency
>    repeat for each char curBin in totAlphaData
>       if char 2 to 4 of totColorData = binColor then
>          put bin0 after newAlphaData
>       else put curBin after newAlphaData
>       delete char 1 to 4 of totColorData
>       set the cursor to busy
>    end repeat
>    set the alphadata of img 1 to newAlphaData
> end mouseUp
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode 




From skip at magicgate.com  Mon Feb 17 15:15:09 2014
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:15:09 -0500
Subject: Getting rid of Unicode characters
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4P3D49CaVBZoVxz-eZk27NWi+2QjQLqEk2s6GEZL-DZKw@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a way to scan a field for "extra" characters or non-English
characters?  I am trying to create a verification process for some imported
text and get rid of these characters in one swoop.

Any guidance here would be greatly appreciated.... as always!

Thanks again,

SKIP


From ray at linkit.com  Mon Feb 17 15:16:10 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:16:10 -0500
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>
	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>

That works great!  And a little experimenting shows that waiting 0 
milliseconds accomplishes the same goal without significantly slowing 
down an already slow handler.  Not to sound greedy but you wouldn't also 
have any idea how to speed up this loop would you?

Thanks,

Ray

On 2/17/2014 2:57 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
> Ray,
>
> Is this behavior (title bar saying "not responding", etc.) happening
> under Windows 8 perchance?
>
> If so, we've seen the same or similar behavior under Windows 8 in long
> repeat loops. We've found that including a "wait for 1 millisecond with
> messages" line in the loop and this mostly lets Windows think the
> application is in fact responding. I say mostly because if you watch the
> task manager, the app switches between "not responding" and responding
> (i.e. no note next to the name) with some regularity. Without the "wait"
> statement in the loop the app is listed in the task bar continuously as
> "not responding" while the loop is executing.
>
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
>
> On 2/17/2014 1:24 PM, Ray wrote:
>> Fellow LC Users,
>>
>> I'm trying to provide users with a 'magic wand' style tool.  Click an
>> image, pick up the color clicked and turn every pixel of that same
>> color in the image transparent.
>>
>> The loop I've written takes about 30 seconds to run on a 600 by 700
>> pixel image, which is a problem, but worse, click anywhere before it's
>> finished and Livecode 'appears' to crash.  I say 'appears' because the
>> cursor turns into the crash cursor and the title bar displays 'not
>> responding'.  After the loop is done Livecode returns to normal.
>>
>> I'll include the loop, below.
>>
>> How do I stop LC from appearing to crash while running this loop, or
>> how to speed it up.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>> LinkIt! Software
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>     lock messages
>>     put the mousecolor into myColor
>>     put the mouseloc into myLoc
>>     put the imagedata of img 1 into totColorData
>>     put the alphadata of img 1 into totAlphaData
>>     put numToChar(item 1 of myColor) into binColor
>>     put numToChar(item 2 of myColor) after binColor
>>     put numToChar(item 3 of myColor) after binColor
>>     put numtochar(0) into bin0               -- transparency
>>     repeat for each char curBin in totAlphaData
>>        if char 2 to 4 of totColorData = binColor then
>>           put bin0 after newAlphaData
>>        else put curBin after newAlphaData
>>        delete char 1 to 4 of totColorData
>>        set the cursor to busy
>>     end repeat
>>     set the alphadata of img 1 to newAlphaData
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 15:39:02 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:39:02 -0500
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtooCtoxsKfyc=H9tpow24r3DZGkJAO8+FDubi9=eZo6vA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoA=9bU9Di04ZvXio6Nx9ArJ5EzqRKBSdmYxbOuuhx7qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D12E801-3104-4AAC-AC80-8607B65B5367@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAKCLKtooCtoxsKfyc=H9tpow24r3DZGkJAO8+FDubi9=eZo6vA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E666CCB-2679-4E3E-9F41-1506FB878528@gmail.com>

On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:
> 
>> Funny, just before I read your post I was thinking, "I wonder if this
>> scales linearly or logarithmically?" GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! ;-)
> 
> It's pretty much my personal quest to convince everyone never to use repeat
> with i = 1 to the number of anything.

Well, I still do it for i < 1000 or so, and the speed hit is perfectly acceptable for that. The advantage for me is when I must use the number of the iteration I'm in to do something. Sure I could do:

put 0 into tCounter
repeat for each line LL in tList
add 1 to tCounter
?< do things using tCounter here>?
end repeat

but why bother for smaller sets of data?

While we're dreaming of syntax extensions, how about this:

repeat for each line LL in tList with counter = "tCounter"
-- the variable tCounter would automatically be initialized then incremented with each iteration
...< do things using tCounter here>?
end repeat

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 15:51:20 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:51:20 +0200
Subject: Getting rid of Unicode characters
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4P3D49CaVBZoVxz-eZk27NWi+2QjQLqEk2s6GEZL-DZKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4P3D49CaVBZoVxz-eZk27NWi+2QjQLqEk2s6GEZL-DZKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53027648.90306@gmail.com>

On 17/02/14 22:15, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
> Is there a way to scan a field for "extra" characters or non-English
> characters?  I am trying to create a verification process for some imported
> text and get rid of these characters in one swoop.
>
> Any guidance here would be greatly appreciated.... as always!
>
> Thanks again,
>
> SKIP
>

Have a play around with my stack available here: 
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18869

Richmond.



From skip at magicgate.com  Mon Feb 17 16:20:24 2014
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:20:24 -0500
Subject: Getting rid of Unicode characters
In-Reply-To: <53027648.90306@gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4P3D49CaVBZoVxz-eZk27NWi+2QjQLqEk2s6GEZL-DZKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53027648.90306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4OP2WM9YDA3BLvmTN68j19eLUg07BJ_0EScjqEu+Uj+Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you!  This should give me something to go on.


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 17/02/14 22:15, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to scan a field for "extra" characters or non-English
>> characters?  I am trying to create a verification process for some
>> imported
>> text and get rid of these characters in one swoop.
>>
>> Any guidance here would be greatly appreciated.... as always!
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> SKIP
>>
>>
> Have a play around with my stack available here: http://forums.runrev.com/
> viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18869
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 16:30:14 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:30:14 +0200
Subject: Getting rid of Unicode characters
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4OP2WM9YDA3BLvmTN68j19eLUg07BJ_0EScjqEu+Uj+Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4P3D49CaVBZoVxz-eZk27NWi+2QjQLqEk2s6GEZL-DZKw@mail.gmail.com>	<53027648.90306@gmail.com>
	<CAO8Ty4OP2WM9YDA3BLvmTN68j19eLUg07BJ_0EScjqEu+Uj+Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53027F66.7070400@gmail.com>

On 17/02/14 23:20, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
> Thank you!  This should give me something to go on.
>
>
>

Something much better I just whipped up here: 
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19188

Sorry, off to have a bath. Richmond.



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 16:37:10 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:37:10 -0500
Subject: Getting rid of Unicode characters
In-Reply-To: <53027F66.7070400@gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4P3D49CaVBZoVxz-eZk27NWi+2QjQLqEk2s6GEZL-DZKw@mail.gmail.com>	<53027648.90306@gmail.com>
	<CAO8Ty4OP2WM9YDA3BLvmTN68j19eLUg07BJ_0EScjqEu+Uj+Pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53027F66.7070400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DFBFFCDD-EA1B-4DD3-84EA-9179519065C2@gmail.com>

On Feb 17, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Richmond wrote:

> Sorry, off to have a bath.

TMI, Richmond.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Feb 17 16:40:08 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:40:08 +0000
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>
	<53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <530281B8.50206@tweedly.net>

On 17/02/2014 20:16, Ray wrote:
> That works great!  And a little experimenting shows that waiting 0 
> milliseconds accomplishes the same goal without significantly slowing 
> down an already slow handler.  Not to sound greedy but you wouldn't 
> also have any idea how to speed up this loop would you?
>

Sure, but I haven't been able to test (and I'm not sure I exactly 
understand what it's doing), this is simply typed straight into email - 
so at your own risk ....

replace

  repeat for each char curBin in totAlphaData
       if char 2 to 4 of totColorData = binColor then
          put bin0 after newAlphaData
       else put curBin after newAlphaData
       delete char 1 to 4 of totColorData
       set the cursor to busy
    end repeat

with
  put 2 into tStart
  repeat for each char curBin in totAlphaData
       if char tStart to (tStart+2) of totColorData = binColor then
          put bin0 after newAlphaData
       else put curBin after newAlphaData
  -- -- --     delete char 1 to 4 of totColorData
       add 4 to tStart
       set the cursor to busy
    end repeat

This avoids the deleting of chars which is (very) expensive because it 
moves all the rest of the data.
Although you often see the advice to avoid "counting" chunks, in this 
case it's OK because indexing by char is fast; it's really counting 
lines, items or words that is so expensive.

If I get time later tonight, I'll test this version (and also try out 
something else that might be even faster).


-- Alex.
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> On 2/17/2014 2:57 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>> Ray,
>>
>> Is this behavior (title bar saying "not responding", etc.) happening
>> under Windows 8 perchance?
>>
>> If so, we've seen the same or similar behavior under Windows 8 in long
>> repeat loops. We've found that including a "wait for 1 millisecond with
>> messages" line in the loop and this mostly lets Windows think the
>> application is in fact responding. I say mostly because if you watch the
>> task manager, the app switches between "not responding" and responding
>> (i.e. no note next to the name) with some regularity. Without the "wait"
>> statement in the loop the app is listed in the task bar continuously as
>> "not responding" while the loop is executing.
>>
>> Paul Dupuis
>> Researchware
>>
>> On 2/17/2014 1:24 PM, Ray wrote:
>>> Fellow LC Users,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to provide users with a 'magic wand' style tool. Click an
>>> image, pick up the color clicked and turn every pixel of that same
>>> color in the image transparent.
>>>
>>> The loop I've written takes about 30 seconds to run on a 600 by 700
>>> pixel image, which is a problem, but worse, click anywhere before it's
>>> finished and Livecode 'appears' to crash.  I say 'appears' because the
>>> cursor turns into the crash cursor and the title bar displays 'not
>>> responding'.  After the loop is done Livecode returns to normal.
>>>
>>> I'll include the loop, below.
>>>
>>> How do I stop LC from appearing to crash while running this loop, or
>>> how to speed it up.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>     lock messages
>>>     put the mousecolor into myColor
>>>     put the mouseloc into myLoc
>>>     put the imagedata of img 1 into totColorData
>>>     put the alphadata of img 1 into totAlphaData
>>>     put numToChar(item 1 of myColor) into binColor
>>>     put numToChar(item 2 of myColor) after binColor
>>>     put numToChar(item 3 of myColor) after binColor
>>>     put numtochar(0) into bin0               -- transparency
>>>     repeat for each char curBin in totAlphaData
>>>        if char 2 to 4 of totColorData = binColor then
>>>           put bin0 after newAlphaData
>>>        else put curBin after newAlphaData
>>>        delete char 1 to 4 of totColorData
>>>        set the cursor to busy
>>>     end repeat
>>>     set the alphadata of img 1 to newAlphaData
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From paul at researchware.com  Mon Feb 17 16:41:03 2014
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:41:03 -0500
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>
	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com> <53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>

No ideas on speeding it up. The only thought looking at the code is you
may want to replace 'char' with 'byte' ( and numToChar with numToByte)
since you are really dealing with bytes rather than characters and in
future LiveCode versions, char may not always correspond to a single byte.

I might suggest avoiding the delete operation and just try indexing the
imageData and alphaData

put the number of bytes in totAlphaData into tLoopSize
repeat with i=1 to tLoopSize
  if byte (i*4-2) to (i*4) of totColorData = binColor then put bin0 into
byte i of totAlphaData -- else byte i remains as is
  set cursor to busy
  wait for 0 milliseconds with messages
end repeat
set the alphadata of img 1 to totAlphaData

On 2/17/2014 3:16 PM, Ray wrote:
> That works great!  And a little experimenting shows that waiting 0
> milliseconds accomplishes the same goal without significantly slowing
> down an already slow handler.  Not to sound greedy but you wouldn't
> also have any idea how to speed up this loop would you?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
> On 2/17/2014 2:57 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>> Ray,
>>
>> Is this behavior (title bar saying "not responding", etc.) happening
>> under Windows 8 perchance?
>>
>> If so, we've seen the same or similar behavior under Windows 8 in long
>> repeat loops. We've found that including a "wait for 1 millisecond with
>> messages" line in the loop and this mostly lets Windows think the
>> application is in fact responding. I say mostly because if you watch the
>> task manager, the app switches between "not responding" and responding
>> (i.e. no note next to the name) with some regularity. Without the "wait"
>> statement in the loop the app is listed in the task bar continuously as
>> "not responding" while the loop is executing.
>>
>> Paul Dupuis
>> Researchware
>>
>> On 2/17/2014 1:24 PM, Ray wrote:
>>> Fellow LC Users,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to provide users with a 'magic wand' style tool.  Click an
>>> image, pick up the color clicked and turn every pixel of that same
>>> color in the image transparent.
>>>
>>> The loop I've written takes about 30 seconds to run on a 600 by 700
>>> pixel image, which is a problem, but worse, click anywhere before it's
>>> finished and Livecode 'appears' to crash.  I say 'appears' because the
>>> cursor turns into the crash cursor and the title bar displays 'not
>>> responding'.  After the loop is done Livecode returns to normal.
>>>
>>> I'll include the loop, below.
>>>
>>> How do I stop LC from appearing to crash while running this loop, or
>>> how to speed it up.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>     lock messages
>>>     put the mousecolor into myColor
>>>     put the mouseloc into myLoc
>>>     put the imagedata of img 1 into totColorData
>>>     put the alphadata of img 1 into totAlphaData
>>>     put numToChar(item 1 of myColor) into binColor
>>>     put numToChar(item 2 of myColor) after binColor
>>>     put numToChar(item 3 of myColor) after binColor
>>>     put numtochar(0) into bin0               -- transparency
>>>     repeat for each char curBin in totAlphaData
>>>        if char 2 to 4 of totColorData = binColor then
>>>           put bin0 after newAlphaData
>>>        else put curBin after newAlphaData
>>>        delete char 1 to 4 of totColorData
>>>        set the cursor to busy
>>>     end repeat
>>>     set the alphadata of img 1 to newAlphaData
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>

-- 
Paul Dupuis
Cofounder
*Researchware, Inc.*
http://www.researchware.com
http://www.twitter.com/researchware
http://www.facebook.com/researchware
http://www.linkedin.com/company/researchware-inc
https://plus.google.com/+Researchware/
<http://plus.google.com/+Researchware/>



From ray at linkit.com  Mon Feb 17 16:43:03 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:43:03 -0500
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>
	<53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com> <530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <53028267.1020305@LinkIt.Com>

Paul,

Many thanks for your help here.  I'll experiment with this tonight and 
let you know how it goes.

Ray

On 2/17/2014 4:41 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
> No ideas on speeding it up. The only thought looking at the code is you
> may want to replace 'char' with 'byte' ( and numToChar with numToByte)
> since you are really dealing with bytes rather than characters and in
> future LiveCode versions, char may not always correspond to a single byte.
>
> I might suggest avoiding the delete operation and just try indexing the
> imageData and alphaData
>
> put the number of bytes in totAlphaData into tLoopSize
> repeat with i=1 to tLoopSize
>    if byte (i*4-2) to (i*4) of totColorData = binColor then put bin0 into
> byte i of totAlphaData -- else byte i remains as is
>    set cursor to busy
>    wait for 0 milliseconds with messages
> end repeat
> set the alphadata of img 1 to totAlphaData
>
> On 2/17/2014 3:16 PM, Ray wrote:
>> That works great!  And a little experimenting shows that waiting 0
>> milliseconds accomplishes the same goal without significantly slowing
>> down an already slow handler.  Not to sound greedy but you wouldn't
>> also have any idea how to speed up this loop would you?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On 2/17/2014 2:57 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>>> Ray,
>>>
>>> Is this behavior (title bar saying "not responding", etc.) happening
>>> under Windows 8 perchance?
>>>
>>> If so, we've seen the same or similar behavior under Windows 8 in long
>>> repeat loops. We've found that including a "wait for 1 millisecond with
>>> messages" line in the loop and this mostly lets Windows think the
>>> application is in fact responding. I say mostly because if you watch the
>>> task manager, the app switches between "not responding" and responding
>>> (i.e. no note next to the name) with some regularity. Without the "wait"
>>> statement in the loop the app is listed in the task bar continuously as
>>> "not responding" while the loop is executing.
>>>
>>> Paul Dupuis
>>> Researchware
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2014 1:24 PM, Ray wrote:
>>>> Fellow LC Users,
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to provide users with a 'magic wand' style tool.  Click an
>>>> image, pick up the color clicked and turn every pixel of that same
>>>> color in the image transparent.
>>>>
>>>> The loop I've written takes about 30 seconds to run on a 600 by 700
>>>> pixel image, which is a problem, but worse, click anywhere before it's
>>>> finished and Livecode 'appears' to crash.  I say 'appears' because the
>>>> cursor turns into the crash cursor and the title bar displays 'not
>>>> responding'.  After the loop is done Livecode returns to normal.
>>>>
>>>> I'll include the loop, below.
>>>>
>>>> How do I stop LC from appearing to crash while running this loop, or
>>>> how to speed it up.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>>
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>      lock messages
>>>>      put the mousecolor into myColor
>>>>      put the mouseloc into myLoc
>>>>      put the imagedata of img 1 into totColorData
>>>>      put the alphadata of img 1 into totAlphaData
>>>>      put numToChar(item 1 of myColor) into binColor
>>>>      put numToChar(item 2 of myColor) after binColor
>>>>      put numToChar(item 3 of myColor) after binColor
>>>>      put numtochar(0) into bin0               -- transparency
>>>>      repeat for each char curBin in totAlphaData
>>>>         if char 2 to 4 of totColorData = binColor then
>>>>            put bin0 after newAlphaData
>>>>         else put curBin after newAlphaData
>>>>         delete char 1 to 4 of totColorData
>>>>         set the cursor to busy
>>>>      end repeat
>>>>      set the alphadata of img 1 to newAlphaData
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>




From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Feb 17 16:50:39 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:50:39 -0800
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <0E666CCB-2679-4E3E-9F41-1506FB878528@gmail.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoA=9bU9Di04ZvXio6Nx9ArJ5EzqRKBSdmYxbOuuhx7qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D12E801-3104-4AAC-AC80-8607B65B5367@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAKCLKtooCtoxsKfyc=H9tpow24r3DZGkJAO8+FDubi9=eZo6vA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E666CCB-2679-4E3E-9F41-1506FB878528@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNFBOrt1t0LU=jab_LVFA0iPaJHDK8t_FLvZB1a_B=1fA@mail.gmail.com>

Have to admit I'm the same.  If it's more convenient codingwise to to
repeat with x=1 to whatever and I know for sure there won;t be many
iterations to go through, the speed difference is unnoticeable to the user.

I'm also curious about another aspect of this.  Is it universally true that
"repeat with" is always slower than "repeat for" or only when the loop is
addressing LC chunks of one sort or another?


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Bob Sneidar <
> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Funny, just before I read your post I was thinking, "I wonder if this
> >> scales linearly or logarithmically?" GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! ;-)
> >
> > It's pretty much my personal quest to convince everyone never to use
> repeat
> > with i = 1 to the number of anything.
>
> Well, I still do it for i < 1000 or so, and the speed hit is perfectly
> acceptable for that. The advantage for me is when I must use the number of
> the iteration I'm in to do something. Sure I could do:
>
> put 0 into tCounter
> repeat for each line LL in tList
> add 1 to tCounter
> ...< do things using tCounter here>...
> end repeat
>
> but why bother for smaller sets of data?
>
> While we're dreaming of syntax extensions, how about this:
>
> repeat for each line LL in tList with counter = "tCounter"
> -- the variable tCounter would automatically be initialized then
> incremented with each iteration
> ...< do things using tCounter here>...
> end repeat
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From ray at linkit.com  Mon Feb 17 17:15:57 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:15:57 -0500
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>
	<53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com> <530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <53028A1D.7060304@LinkIt.Com>

OK - that trimmed about 35 seconds off a 40 second loop with the image I 
was using.  Many thanks!  I think the deleting of characters was slowing 
it down.

On 2/17/2014 4:41 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
> No ideas on speeding it up. The only thought looking at the code is you
> may want to replace 'char' with 'byte' ( and numToChar with numToByte)
> since you are really dealing with bytes rather than characters and in
> future LiveCode versions, char may not always correspond to a single byte.
>
> I might suggest avoiding the delete operation and just try indexing the
> imageData and alphaData
>
> put the number of bytes in totAlphaData into tLoopSize
> repeat with i=1 to tLoopSize
>    if byte (i*4-2) to (i*4) of totColorData = binColor then put bin0 into
> byte i of totAlphaData -- else byte i remains as is
>    set cursor to busy
>    wait for 0 milliseconds with messages
> end repeat
> set the alphadata of img 1 to totAlphaData
>
> On 2/17/2014 3:16 PM, Ray wrote:
>> That works great!  And a little experimenting shows that waiting 0
>> milliseconds accomplishes the same goal without significantly slowing
>> down an already slow handler.  Not to sound greedy but you wouldn't
>> also have any idea how to speed up this loop would you?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On 2/17/2014 2:57 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>>> Ray,
>>>
>>> Is this behavior (title bar saying "not responding", etc.) happening
>>> under Windows 8 perchance?
>>>
>>> If so, we've seen the same or similar behavior under Windows 8 in long
>>> repeat loops. We've found that including a "wait for 1 millisecond with
>>> messages" line in the loop and this mostly lets Windows think the
>>> application is in fact responding. I say mostly because if you watch the
>>> task manager, the app switches between "not responding" and responding
>>> (i.e. no note next to the name) with some regularity. Without the "wait"
>>> statement in the loop the app is listed in the task bar continuously as
>>> "not responding" while the loop is executing.
>>>
>>> Paul Dupuis
>>> Researchware
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2014 1:24 PM, Ray wrote:
>>>> Fellow LC Users,
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to provide users with a 'magic wand' style tool.  Click an
>>>> image, pick up the color clicked and turn every pixel of that same
>>>> color in the image transparent.
>>>>
>>>> The loop I've written takes about 30 seconds to run on a 600 by 700
>>>> pixel image, which is a problem, but worse, click anywhere before it's
>>>> finished and Livecode 'appears' to crash.  I say 'appears' because the
>>>> cursor turns into the crash cursor and the title bar displays 'not
>>>> responding'.  After the loop is done Livecode returns to normal.
>>>>
>>>> I'll include the loop, below.
>>>>
>>>> How do I stop LC from appearing to crash while running this loop, or
>>>> how to speed it up.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>>
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>      lock messages
>>>>      put the mousecolor into myColor
>>>>      put the mouseloc into myLoc
>>>>      put the imagedata of img 1 into totColorData
>>>>      put the alphadata of img 1 into totAlphaData
>>>>      put numToChar(item 1 of myColor) into binColor
>>>>      put numToChar(item 2 of myColor) after binColor
>>>>      put numToChar(item 3 of myColor) after binColor
>>>>      put numtochar(0) into bin0               -- transparency
>>>>      repeat for each char curBin in totAlphaData
>>>>         if char 2 to 4 of totColorData = binColor then
>>>>            put bin0 after newAlphaData
>>>>         else put curBin after newAlphaData
>>>>         delete char 1 to 4 of totColorData
>>>>         set the cursor to busy
>>>>      end repeat
>>>>      set the alphadata of img 1 to newAlphaData
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 17:17:33 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:17:33 -0500
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNFBOrt1t0LU=jab_LVFA0iPaJHDK8t_FLvZB1a_B=1fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoA=9bU9Di04ZvXio6Nx9ArJ5EzqRKBSdmYxbOuuhx7qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D12E801-3104-4AAC-AC80-8607B65B5367@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAKCLKtooCtoxsKfyc=H9tpow24r3DZGkJAO8+FDubi9=eZo6vA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E666CCB-2679-4E3E-9F41-1506FB878528@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNFBOrt1t0LU=jab_LVFA0iPaJHDK8t_FLvZB1a_B=1fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB7D68E1-8EF2-40BF-B947-0C66C2835E16@gmail.com>

Time test:

on testRepeat
   put "xxx" into line 100000 of tList
   replace cr with "xxx" & cr in tList
   put the long seconds into timerStart
   repeat with n = 1 to 100000
      put line n of tList & cr after newList1
   end repeat
   put the long seconds into timerEnd
   put timerEnd - timerStart into nEqualsTime
   put the long seconds into timerStart
   repeat for each line n in tList
      put n & cr after newList2
   end repeat
   put the long seconds into timerEnd
   put timerEnd - timerStart into forEachTime
   put "n = 1 to 100000:" && nEqualsTime && "secs" & cr & "for each:" && forEachTime && "secs"
end testRepeat

produces:
n = 1 to 100000: 41.704915 secs
for each: 0.037602 secs

While replacing "put ? after newList" with "put pi into y" in both repeat loops gives

n = 1 to 100000: 0.027132 secs
for each: 0.025698 secs

so it seems that the time-consuming thing is for the engine to retrieve "line n of tList" when n is large.

On Feb 17, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Have to admit I'm the same.  If it's more convenient codingwise to to
> repeat with x=1 to whatever and I know for sure there won;t be many
> iterations to go through, the speed difference is unnoticeable to the user.
> 
> I'm also curious about another aspect of this.  Is it universally true that
> "repeat with" is always slower than "repeat for" or only when the loop is
> addressing LC chunks of one sort or another?
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Bob Sneidar <
>> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Funny, just before I read your post I was thinking, "I wonder if this
>>>> scales linearly or logarithmically?" GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! ;-)
>>> 
>>> It's pretty much my personal quest to convince everyone never to use
>> repeat
>>> with i = 1 to the number of anything.
>> 
>> Well, I still do it for i < 1000 or so, and the speed hit is perfectly
>> acceptable for that. The advantage for me is when I must use the number of
>> the iteration I'm in to do something. Sure I could do:
>> 
>> put 0 into tCounter
>> repeat for each line LL in tList
>> add 1 to tCounter
>> ...< do things using tCounter here>...
>> end repeat
>> 
>> but why bother for smaller sets of data?
>> 
>> While we're dreaming of syntax extensions, how about this:
>> 
>> repeat for each line LL in tList with counter = "tCounter"
>> -- the variable tCounter would automatically be initialized then
>> incremented with each iteration
>> ...< do things using tCounter here>...
>> end repeat
>> 
>> -- Peter
>> 
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Feb 17 17:37:07 2014
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:37:07 +0100
Subject: [ANN] animationEngine 5.1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31500.1380146642.8077.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.31500.1380146642.8077.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E8732F43-936C-4F46-8952-5B6E76A1C42F@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

I am pleased to announce the immediate availability of animationEngine 5.1

http://www.derbrill.de/animationEngine/animationEngine5.1.zip

This is a free maintenance release that fixes problems running AE in liveCode 6.6. On top of that we have the first user contribution by Geoff Canyon in this release (thank you very much Geoff). He added commands for 3d point lists.

rotate3DPointList pointList,pXRotation,pYRotation,pZRotation,pFocalLength
and
ae3dConvertListToScreen pointList,pOriginX,pOriginY,pFocalLength


Also a long standing issue with the collision listener has been fixed.

All the best,

Malte




From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Feb 17 17:40:37 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 22:40:37 +0000
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNFBOrt1t0LU=jab_LVFA0iPaJHDK8t_FLvZB1a_B=1fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>	<4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtoA=9bU9Di04ZvXio6Nx9ArJ5EzqRKBSdmYxbOuuhx7qg@mail.gmail.com>	<6D12E801-3104-4AAC-AC80-8607B65B5367@iotecdigital.com>	<CAKCLKtooCtoxsKfyc=H9tpow24r3DZGkJAO8+FDubi9=eZo6vA@mail.gmail.com>	<0E666CCB-2679-4E3E-9F41-1506FB878528@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNFBOrt1t0LU=jab_LVFA0iPaJHDK8t_FLvZB1a_B=1fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53028FE5.8060701@tweedly.net>

On 17/02/2014 21:50, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Have to admit I'm the same.  If it's more convenient codingwise to to
> repeat with x=1 to whatever and I know for sure there won;t be many
> iterations to go through, the speed difference is unnoticeable to the user.
>
> I'm also curious about another aspect of this.  Is it universally true that
> "repeat with" is always slower than "repeat for" or only when the loop is
> addressing LC chunks of one sort or another?
>
>
It's basically only when addressing chunks such as line, item or word 
(when the engine needs to scan from the stat of the data to find the 
specified chunk), and so the time grows order N**2 (where N is a 
combination of the number of items/lines/words and the number of 
chars/bytes it has to scan over -)

Addressing bytes is constant in time, so addressing each byte by 
indexing grows linearly.

Addressing chars has been the same as bytes - but full Unicode may 
affect that somehow.


And, btw (to my continuing astonishment), addressing backwards from the 
end of the data is even slower

if we have K lines of data, then getting "line K" takes just over half 
as long as getting "line -1" (see below).
Why ?

-- Alex.

    put "x" into line K of tdata
    replace CR with "xxx" & CR in tData
    put the millisecs into t1
    repeat K times
       get line 1 of tData
    end repeat
    put the millisecs - t1 & CR after msg

    put the millisecs into t1
    repeat K times
       get line K of tData
    end repeat

    put the millisecs - t1 & CR after msg

    put the millisecs into t1
    repeat K times
       get line -1 of tData
    end repeat
    put the millisecs - t1 & CR after msg

gives
3
523
934





From jiml at netrin.com  Mon Feb 17 19:01:13 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:01:13 -0800
Subject: Page Turner
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5271.1392673035.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.5271.1392673035.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AABB54D0-3125-4925-B63C-86BD46F11D47@netrin.com>

If anyone needs a simple visual effect of a page turning, I?ve uploaded an example to revOnline.
Page Turner
http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/760/Page-Turner

The handler is just 40 lines long, so it?s not much of a?well?page turner. ;)

Jim Lambert




From chipp at altuit.com  Mon Feb 17 19:04:13 2014
From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:04:13 -0600
Subject: How to find the application path?
Message-ID: <CAEC4YhO88xgQc3W=e9zgb76R+r+j514ygR4-JxXeEM9+43EqAg@mail.gmail.com>

I believe a few years ago I found an undocumented rev function which
returned the application path from a stack not part of the standalone.

Does anyone remember the function call? (It's not filename, that only
returns the path to the stack-- I'm looking for the app path.

Thanks.


Chipp Walters


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Feb 17 19:06:26 2014
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:06:26 -0800
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <53028A1D.7060304@LinkIt.Com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>	<53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>
	<530281EF.5010103@researchware.com> <53028A1D.7060304@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <5302A402.2070702@pdslabs.net>

Ray,

Not sure, but it might make a difference if you update the cursor only 
every 10th or 20th time through the loop. Like so:

put 0 into x
repeat
     add 1 to x
     if x mod 10 = 0 then set cursor to busy
     ....
end repeat

Best -
Phil Davis



On 2/17/14, 2:15 PM, Ray wrote:
> OK - that trimmed about 35 seconds off a 40 second loop with the image 
> I was using.  Many thanks!  I think the deleting of characters was 
> slowing it down.
>
> On 2/17/2014 4:41 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>> No ideas on speeding it up. The only thought looking at the code is you
>> may want to replace 'char' with 'byte' ( and numToChar with numToByte)
>> since you are really dealing with bytes rather than characters and in
>> future LiveCode versions, char may not always correspond to a single 
>> byte.
>>
>> I might suggest avoiding the delete operation and just try indexing the
>> imageData and alphaData
>>
>> put the number of bytes in totAlphaData into tLoopSize
>> repeat with i=1 to tLoopSize
>>    if byte (i*4-2) to (i*4) of totColorData = binColor then put bin0 
>> into
>> byte i of totAlphaData -- else byte i remains as is
>>    set cursor to busy
>>    wait for 0 milliseconds with messages
>> end repeat
>> set the alphadata of img 1 to totAlphaData
>>
>> On 2/17/2014 3:16 PM, Ray wrote:
>>> That works great!  And a little experimenting shows that waiting 0
>>> milliseconds accomplishes the same goal without significantly slowing
>>> down an already slow handler.  Not to sound greedy but you wouldn't
>>> also have any idea how to speed up this loop would you?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2014 2:57 PM, Paul Dupuis wrote:
>>>> Ray,
>>>>
>>>> Is this behavior (title bar saying "not responding", etc.) happening
>>>> under Windows 8 perchance?
>>>>
>>>> If so, we've seen the same or similar behavior under Windows 8 in long
>>>> repeat loops. We've found that including a "wait for 1 millisecond 
>>>> with
>>>> messages" line in the loop and this mostly lets Windows think the
>>>> application is in fact responding. I say mostly because if you 
>>>> watch the
>>>> task manager, the app switches between "not responding" and responding
>>>> (i.e. no note next to the name) with some regularity. Without the 
>>>> "wait"
>>>> statement in the loop the app is listed in the task bar 
>>>> continuously as
>>>> "not responding" while the loop is executing.
>>>>
>>>> Paul Dupuis
>>>> Researchware
>>>>
>>>> On 2/17/2014 1:24 PM, Ray wrote:
>>>>> Fellow LC Users,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to provide users with a 'magic wand' style tool.  Click an
>>>>> image, pick up the color clicked and turn every pixel of that same
>>>>> color in the image transparent.
>>>>>
>>>>> The loop I've written takes about 30 seconds to run on a 600 by 700
>>>>> pixel image, which is a problem, but worse, click anywhere before 
>>>>> it's
>>>>> finished and Livecode 'appears' to crash.  I say 'appears' because 
>>>>> the
>>>>> cursor turns into the crash cursor and the title bar displays 'not
>>>>> responding'.  After the loop is done Livecode returns to normal.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll include the loop, below.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do I stop LC from appearing to crash while running this loop, or
>>>>> how to speed it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
>>>>> LinkIt! Software
>>>>>
>>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>>      lock messages
>>>>>      put the mousecolor into myColor
>>>>>      put the mouseloc into myLoc
>>>>>      put the imagedata of img 1 into totColorData
>>>>>      put the alphadata of img 1 into totAlphaData
>>>>>      put numToChar(item 1 of myColor) into binColor
>>>>>      put numToChar(item 2 of myColor) after binColor
>>>>>      put numToChar(item 3 of myColor) after binColor
>>>>>      put numtochar(0) into bin0               -- transparency
>>>>>      repeat for each char curBin in totAlphaData
>>>>>         if char 2 to 4 of totColorData = binColor then
>>>>>            put bin0 after newAlphaData
>>>>>         else put curBin after newAlphaData
>>>>>         delete char 1 to 4 of totColorData
>>>>>         set the cursor to busy
>>>>>      end repeat
>>>>>      set the alphadata of img 1 to newAlphaData
>>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>

-- 
Phil Davis




From ray at linkit.com  Mon Feb 17 19:21:19 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:21:19 -0500
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <5302A402.2070702@pdslabs.net>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>	<53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>	<530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>
	<53028A1D.7060304@LinkIt.Com> <5302A402.2070702@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <5302A77F.40101@LinkIt.Com>

Ah Haa!! You've shaved another 3 and a half seconds off what started out 
as 40 seconds, got cut down to 5, and is now just 1.5 seconds. Very good!

Phil - many thanks for your help on this.  I'll probably use these ideas 
on many handlers to come.

Ray

On 2/17/2014 7:06 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
> put 0 into x
> repeat
>     add 1 to x
>     if x mod 10 = 0 then set cursor to busy
>     ....
> end repeat 




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb 17 19:25:10 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 00:25:10 +0000
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks - Found word(s) list error in
	the Text body
In-Reply-To: <892e57a6-0fc3-450d-9942-6abb0da3c598@lists.runrev.com>
References: <892e57a6-0fc3-450d-9942-6abb0da3c598@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9D629D27-B7E6-4E87-8050-6C20CE20460D@iotecdigital.com>

Not the way you are doing it. Only the STACK script is in the message path. Not every script of every object IN the stack! 

That being said, you could certainly insert the script of every card of the library stack, but that might be messy. An alternative might be to put all the handlers in the stack script, then name the handlers in such a way as they would sort in groups. All your math functions could start with calc. All your information handlers could begin with info, and so on. 

Now, I?m sure it?s just an example, and you aren?t really using a one line function called calcSum. Are you?? :-)

Bob


On Feb 13, 2014, at 03:13 , Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a library stack which consists all my common functions and commands.
> Calculations, text manipulation, getting device info, update procedures, etc.
> 
> Stack?s script is close 5000+ line of code.
> 
> I wanted to organize it and put related handlers into the script of respective cards.
> 
> But it didn?t work, calling a function from my mainstack?s cards throws an error.
> I know that I can dispatch a function but it?s not effective.
> 
> Here is an example:
> 
> _main stack
> ___card 1
> ___card 2
> ___?
> __library stack
> ___card 1
> ___card 2
> ___?
> 
> Script of card 1 of library stack:
> 
> function calcSum pX, pY
>    return pX + pY
> end function
> 
> Script of card 2 of main stack:
> 
> on answerSum
>    answer calcSum(3, 5)
> end answerSum
> 
> 
> Is this possible?
> Can I distribute my handlers onto different cards of the library stack
> and still call them directly?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> ~ Ender
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Feb 17 19:27:55 2014
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:27:55 -0800
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <5302A77F.40101@LinkIt.Com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>	<53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>	<530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>	<53028A1D.7060304@LinkIt.Com>
	<5302A402.2070702@pdslabs.net> <5302A77F.40101@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <5302A90B.5050301@pdslabs.net>

You may have done this already, but experiment with other cursor update 
intervals - like every 50th or 100th time. You may be shocked!

Phil


On 2/17/14, 4:21 PM, Ray wrote:
> Ah Haa!! You've shaved another 3 and a half seconds off what started 
> out as 40 seconds, got cut down to 5, and is now just 1.5 seconds. 
> Very good!
>
> Phil - many thanks for your help on this.  I'll probably use these 
> ideas on many handlers to come.
>
> Ray
>
> On 2/17/2014 7:06 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>> put 0 into x
>> repeat
>>     add 1 to x
>>     if x mod 10 = 0 then set cursor to busy
>>     ....
>> end repeat 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>

-- 
Phil Davis




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb 17 19:28:50 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 00:28:50 +0000
Subject: Problems with delete stack - Found word(s) list error remove
	list in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <e4ad3711-b91b-452b-817f-f52d795dc1ee@lists.runrev.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNV3CyxcBk0a2YtsEETQoYpS_ANr+T9kuuTe4MKpcDncQ@mail.gmail.com><CF216286.3AD78%scott@tactilemedia.com><CAGDT7eOFY9Z+X=LKg-e51orku=uOiW_if6=pbJzwAymrCxkTKA@mail.gmail.com><52FD00F0.8030705@hyperactivesw.com>
	<e4ad3711-b91b-452b-817f-f52d795dc1ee@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0C267B13-77E2-4477-A87A-661CE7A193E7@iotecdigital.com>

Okay that makes sense. The debugger has the script open and therefore the delete stack command does not succeed, and the statements that come after that go ahead and execute. It?s the Delete Stack command that, when successful seems to be FORCING the scrip to terminate. 

Bob


On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:26 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I tried wrapping the delete stack command in a try/catch but no error was
> detected.
> 
> I also tried checking if the stack was in the mainStacks right after being
> deleted and it's not.
> 
> I tried a wait command with various intervals right after the delete stack,
> still same problem.
> 
> As mentioned in my original post, if I step through the code in the
> debugger, everything works fine, at least most of the time.  Occasionally,
> the debugger skips over several lines of code right after the delete stack
> command.  I hate both those things!
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:29 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
> 
>> On 2/13/14, 11:17 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> 
>>> I set destroyStack to true immediately before the delete stack command.
>>> Although according to the dictionary, delete stack removes a stack from
>>> memory if it's a main stack.
>>> 
>> 
>> The "delete stack" command should remove it from memory regardless of the
>> destroystack setting. I do that all the time from the message box.
>> 
>> But the stack won't go away if there are any pending processes. Pending
>> messages, open drivers (that's for apps usually,) handlers still running,
>> or any other process still in progress will abort the closure.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Feb 17 19:31:13 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 00:31:13 +0000
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <5302A90B.5050301@pdslabs.net>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>	<53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>	<530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>	<53028A1D.7060304@LinkIt.Com>	<5302A402.2070702@pdslabs.net>
	<5302A77F.40101@LinkIt.Com> <5302A90B.5050301@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <5302A9D1.3080004@tweedly.net>

Or make it time-based rather than number-of-times-through-a-loop

put the millisecs into t1
repeat ....
     if the millisecs-t1 > somenumberofmillisecs then
           set the cursor to busy
           put the millisecs into t1
     end if
     ..... do something useful
end repeat


-- Alex.

On 18/02/2014 00:27, Phil Davis wrote:
> You may have done this already, but experiment with other cursor 
> update intervals - like every 50th or 100th time. You may be shocked!
>
> Phil
>
>
> On 2/17/14, 4:21 PM, Ray wrote:
>> Ah Haa!! You've shaved another 3 and a half seconds off what started 
>> out as 40 seconds, got cut down to 5, and is now just 1.5 seconds. 
>> Very good!
>>
>> Phil - many thanks for your help on this.  I'll probably use these 
>> ideas on many handlers to come.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On 2/17/2014 7:06 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>> put 0 into x
>>> repeat
>>>     add 1 to x
>>>     if x mod 10 = 0 then set cursor to busy
>>>     ....
>>> end repeat 
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>




From jiml at netrin.com  Mon Feb 17 19:34:02 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:34:02 -0800
Subject: 3D Raycasting in LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5271.1392673035.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.5271.1392673035.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <46A6CE39-0126-4D07-A934-E5A4F42E9DF9@netrin.com>

Scott,

Buggy in the best way!

Jim Lambert



From ray at linkit.com  Mon Feb 17 19:38:45 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:38:45 -0500
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <5302A9D1.3080004@tweedly.net>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>	<53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>	<530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>	<53028A1D.7060304@LinkIt.Com>	<5302A402.2070702@pdslabs.net>	<5302A77F.40101@LinkIt.Com>
	<5302A90B.5050301@pdslabs.net> <5302A9D1.3080004@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <5302AB95.8060105@LinkIt.Com>

Alex, thanks for jumping in here.  I'll try that, but in the meantime I 
must say that of all the posts I've ever made this is one of the most 
gratifying.  I just tried Phil's suggestion of increasing the X-mod to 
100 and, just as Phil predicted, I was shocked at the results. Don't 
know why I didn't think of it right off.  Probably the end of the day or 
the 2 glasses of wine with dinner, but increasing the X-mod did it.  
This handler is now well within the acceptable range of time-to-execute 
any user would expect.

Many thanks!

Ray
LinkIt! Software

On 2/17/2014 7:31 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
> Or make it time-based rather than number-of-times-through-a-loop
>
> put the millisecs into t1
> repeat ....
>     if the millisecs-t1 > somenumberofmillisecs then
>           set the cursor to busy
>           put the millisecs into t1
>     end if
>     ..... do something useful
> end repeat
>
>
> -- Alex.
>
> On 18/02/2014 00:27, Phil Davis wrote:
>> You may have done this already, but experiment with other cursor 
>> update intervals - like every 50th or 100th time. You may be shocked!
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> On 2/17/14, 4:21 PM, Ray wrote:
>>> Ah Haa!! You've shaved another 3 and a half seconds off what started 
>>> out as 40 seconds, got cut down to 5, and is now just 1.5 seconds. 
>>> Very good!
>>>
>>> Phil - many thanks for your help on this.  I'll probably use these 
>>> ideas on many handlers to come.
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On 2/17/2014 7:06 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>>> put 0 into x
>>>> repeat
>>>>     add 1 to x
>>>>     if x mod 10 = 0 then set cursor to busy
>>>>     ....
>>>> end repeat 
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Mon Feb 17 19:44:30 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (enderNafi)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:44:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXOUTL+tpGyJ_Bb-eWEEt4vNMtPGEEdVqVF9zc0iwGsQ7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <etPan.52fca8f1.238e1f29.c52@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FCD0BD.4050406@researchware.com>
	<52FCDB9D.4070502@fourthworld.com>
	<8A5C4EAB-64E4-4D7C-B5CF-0FD4F5C80F81@earthednet.org>
	<52FCE8C8.5050300@fourthworld.com>
	<4CE46D42-4E8F-4A78-B357-176989B14301@earthednet.org>
	<52FCFB83.8020000@fourthworld.com>
	<CAAT6EXOUTL+tpGyJ_Bb-eWEEt4vNMtPGEEdVqVF9zc0iwGsQ7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1392684270580-4676032.post@n4.nabble.com>

Bob Sneidar-2 wrote
>>Now, I?m sure it?s just an example, and you aren?t really using a one line
function called calcSum. Are you?? :-)
> 
>>Bob

:))
No, Bob, of course not :)
It's 5062 lines of code.

Following many advices in this thread; I've rearranged my code to benefit
from backscripts.
It's very convenient, I wonder why I didn't use it before.

Now, I have an extra library card in my mainstack; no substacks.
That card's buttons contain my lib scripts which are separated by their
focus:
- kafesNet which deals with server thingy, updates, http requests
- kafesZip which extracts or creates zip's
- kafesMath which has math functions, trigonometry, etc.
- kafesLayout which is my own geometry manager
and so on...

Everything works fine; so far so good...


Best,

~ Ender






-----
_________________________________________

Mac OS X 10.9.1 ? LiveCode 6.5.1 & xCode 5.0.1
--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Best-Practice-for-Library-Stacks-tp4675854p4676032.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Feb 17 19:58:59 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:58:59 -0800
Subject: Problems with delete stack - Found word(s) list error remove list
	in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <0C267B13-77E2-4477-A87A-661CE7A193E7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNV3CyxcBk0a2YtsEETQoYpS_ANr+T9kuuTe4MKpcDncQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF216286.3AD78%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7eOFY9Z+X=LKg-e51orku=uOiW_if6=pbJzwAymrCxkTKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FD00F0.8030705@hyperactivesw.com>
	<e4ad3711-b91b-452b-817f-f52d795dc1ee@lists.runrev.com>
	<0C267B13-77E2-4477-A87A-661CE7A193E7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO807EGVAo1RH_D2HcETRpw0RgxwZ_WWxvQav=mamCdCg@mail.gmail.com>

The script is not in the stack being deleted.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> Okay that makes sense. The debugger has the script open and therefore the
> delete stack command does not succeed, and the statements that come after
> that go ahead and execute. It's the Delete Stack command that, when
> successful seems to be FORCING the scrip to terminate.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:26 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > I tried wrapping the delete stack command in a try/catch but no error was
> > detected.
> >
> > I also tried checking if the stack was in the mainStacks right after
> being
> > deleted and it's not.
> >
> > I tried a wait command with various intervals right after the delete
> stack,
> > still same problem.
> >
> > As mentioned in my original post, if I step through the code in the
> > debugger, everything works fine, at least most of the time.
>  Occasionally,
> > the debugger skips over several lines of code right after the delete
> stack
> > command.  I hate both those things!
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:29 AM, J. Landman Gay <
> jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/13/14, 11:17 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> >>
> >>> I set destroyStack to true immediately before the delete stack command.
> >>> Although according to the dictionary, delete stack removes a stack from
> >>> memory if it's a main stack.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The "delete stack" command should remove it from memory regardless of
> the
> >> destroystack setting. I do that all the time from the message box.
> >>
> >> But the stack won't go away if there are any pending processes. Pending
> >> messages, open drivers (that's for apps usually,) handlers still
> running,
> >> or any other process still in progress will abort the closure.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb 17 20:05:39 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 01:05:39 +0000
Subject: Best Practice for Library Stacks - Found word(s) check out in
	the Text body
In-Reply-To: <e2acd001-d6bf-494f-a61c-bd1abcb7e01b@lists.runrev.com>
References: <8A5C4EAB-64E4-4D7C-B5CF-0FD4F5C80F81@earthednet.org><52FCE8C8.5050300@fourthworld.com>
	<e2acd001-d6bf-494f-a61c-bd1abcb7e01b@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <91DB29EF-219E-4E87-BD90-317C40C24DF0@iotecdigital.com>

What you are calling Scripts are actually Handlers. A Script is the entire chunk of code, containing 0 or more commands and/or functions, which belongs to an object. A handler is everything between and including an on/command/function statement and it?s corresponding end statement. 

In the past, I and others have often referred to handlers as Scripts, out of laziness I suppose, but now I try to catch myself doing it because it?s really a kind of bad habit. 

Bob


On Feb 13, 2014, at 08:26 , Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Richard,
> My question was probably too elementary, but what I was really asking is:
> Do all of the handlers in a single button script count as a single script, or is a single handler in the button script counted as a script, for purposes of scriptLimits.
> 
> If only 10 front scripts were allowed, the method wouldn't be very useful for library purposes.
> 
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Earthednet-wp wrote:
>> 
>>> I like the idea of putting libraries into buttons, then copying
>>> them into the front script at startup. When you say there is a
>>> limit of some number of scripts, what counts for a "script"? Is
>>> a single script counted as all the handlers contained within a
>>> single button?
>> 
>> There used to be limits; it remains to be seen if there still are, or if the Dictionary entry for scriptLimits just needs to be updated.
>> 
>> You can check out that entry for details, but in short there were the following limits when running in a standalone, which do not apply in the IDE:
>> 
>> 10 frontScripts
>> 10 backScripts
>> 50 libraries
>> 10 executable lines in any string evaluated by "do" or "value"
>> 
>> The latter doesn't include comments, and if a single statement is written across multiple lines with a continuation character ("\") it still only counts as one line.
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Mon Feb 17 20:05:50 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 03:05:50 +0200
Subject: [OT] Potentially Hazardous Asteroid Passing by the Earth
Message-ID: <etPan.5302b1ee.6b8b4567.1bc8@fdbqRetina.local>

Hi folks,

If anyone interested, NEA 2000 EM26 is about to pass and you can watch it live:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCFWUemLzM0

Diameter: 270m. ~ 890 ft. {pretty big}
Speed: 43450 km/h ~ 27700mph {pretty fast}
Approach Distance: 2,7 million km. ~ 1,7 million miles {pretty close}


Best,

~ Ender

From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 20:34:43 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:34:43 -0800
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtooCtoxsKfyc=H9tpow24r3DZGkJAO8+FDubi9=eZo6vA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoA=9bU9Di04ZvXio6Nx9ArJ5EzqRKBSdmYxbOuuhx7qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D12E801-3104-4AAC-AC80-8607B65B5367@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAKCLKtooCtoxsKfyc=H9tpow24r3DZGkJAO8+FDubi9=eZo6vA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFcsY_xEOVkEGxVAD5vr_C3axDhp0W+p=7bkTnT7ZaJsA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's pretty much my personal quest to convince everyone never to use repeat
> with i = 1 to the number of anything.
>

I'm frequently using

put 0 into i
repeat for each word theWord in someString
  add 1 to i
end repeat

as I frequently need the index value, too.



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From irog at mac.com  Mon Feb 17 20:47:29 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:47:29 -0700
Subject: [OT] Potentially Hazardous Asteroid Passing by the Earth
In-Reply-To: <etPan.5302b1ee.6b8b4567.1bc8@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <etPan.5302b1ee.6b8b4567.1bc8@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <5A8F4077-199F-4699-BDD0-6F52F22D357D@mac.com>

Thank you, Ender. Somehow this event escaped my attention.

Cheers,

Roger



On Feb 17, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> If anyone interested, NEA 2000 EM26 is about to pass and you can watch it live:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCFWUemLzM0
> 
> Diameter: 270m. ~ 890 ft. {pretty big}
> Speed: 43450 km/h ~ 27700mph {pretty fast}
> Approach Distance: 2,7 million km. ~ 1,7 million miles {pretty close}
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~ Ender
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 21:16:47 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:16:47 -0800
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <A204B794-7369-4ED8-AC11-2869F30D1DC9@mac.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com> <52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com> <52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A204B794-7369-4ED8-AC11-2869F30D1DC9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHhXV4Fscxa9RijFUDwG92AUOUZrfysdPziGYRp76EfLw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:51 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> I graciously insert put commands when something isn't working as expected,
> then fix the problem and remove the puts again.


"graciously"?

:)

I have a ck command for tossing checkpoints.  It both put's its argument
and sticks it after a field in a window of a special stack.

Easier to find than puts when it's time to remove them . . .


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Mon Feb 17 23:39:09 2014
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 20:39:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <52FCFFDC.9030405@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etPan.52fa1eb2.6b8b4567.13b@fdbqRetina.local>
	<52FA2146.8020408@LinkIt.Com> <52FA2358.3040507@gmail.com>
	<52FA5E8E.3050004@hyperactivesw.com> <52FA6BC5.8030309@gmail.com>
	<8D0F56F922F63F6-295C-2169F@webmail-m218.sysops.aol.com>
	<52FA870B.3030105@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A204B794-7369-4ED8-AC11-2869F30D1DC9@mac.com>
	<52FCFFDC.9030405@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1392698348969-4676039.post@n4.nabble.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote
> One thing I do all the time is to step through a new handler to see what 
> it is doing. When I can see the values of the variables, I know what to 
> expect. Usually I can tell when the next executable line will error and 
> to avoid having to dismiss an error dialog and start over, I just change 
> the value in the variable watcher to something that will work so that I 
> can continue to step through and see what other problems might exist. 

Is there a tutorial on using the debugger, for those of us 'old school' who
seem dependent on put statements? A workshop at the conference might be
useful for the especially intransigent offenders among us :)

Mark




--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Defining-Pet-Features-and-Essentials-tp4675713p4676039.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 23:55:16 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:55:16 -0500
Subject: Most Effecient way to repeat a handler/function - Found word(s)
	list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <0E666CCB-2679-4E3E-9F41-1506FB878528@gmail.com>
References: <dc7d1971-9d5a-471f-aa54-37cc4a5fc3cc@lists.runrev.com>
	<04D25AE2-2422-493F-B54B-2FC5BE31C5DF@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FA5DBF.2060203@hyperactivesw.com>
	<17E7D58B-E685-4BC4-877C-1A949AA4D54D@iotecdigital.com>
	<52FD97C2.9090002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4F34097B-B6A3-43C1-857E-0CBD3614CA1A@gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtoA=9bU9Di04ZvXio6Nx9ArJ5EzqRKBSdmYxbOuuhx7qg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D12E801-3104-4AAC-AC80-8607B65B5367@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAKCLKtooCtoxsKfyc=H9tpow24r3DZGkJAO8+FDubi9=eZo6vA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E666CCB-2679-4E3E-9F41-1506FB878528@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrRzLLuOViPfJBQ-1y=SVPDLWejbAXYcuf741HDL+ttWA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, I still do [repeat with i = 1 to the number of] for i < 1000 or so,
> and the speed hit is perfectly acceptable for that. The advantage for me is
> when I must use the number of the iteration I'm in to do something.


For all my proselytizing, I do the same, although I think my upper limit is
closer to twenty, or more to the point where the list isn't dynamic. If the
list is generated in some way then it's almost always my assumption that
the list could grow unexpectedly. I agree a better syntax that provided a
built-in counter would be nice.

gc


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Feb 18 00:07:17 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 00:07:17 -0500
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <5302A402.2070702@pdslabs.net>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>
	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>
	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com> <530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>
	<53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com> <530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>
	<53028A1D.7060304@LinkIt.Com> <5302A402.2070702@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqp6ZZ2Ub8siqg+PAuXM2qpcrrqvdFi8vg_fTP__2E0Gg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Not sure, but it might make a difference if you update the cursor only
> every 10th or 20th time through the loop. Like so:
>

I read through the first responses in this thread and with each one, in my
head I was saying louder and louder, "don't update the cursor every time!"
Then I got to your response and the pressure in my head went away. Thanks.
;-)


From feed at smpcsupport.com  Tue Feb 18 00:14:57 2014
From: feed at smpcsupport.com (LiveCode Feeds)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 16:14:57 +1100
Subject: 3D Raycasting in LiveCode? 
Message-ID: <1392700497.5302ec515508a@www.server101.com>

Rick - thanks for the tip about pointy corners, I will look into this.
Colin - I don't have the collision detection working for sideways motion
yet, but you are right A and D should be for strafing.
Ben - thanks, I will contact you off list about this.

Cheers,

P.S. I have gotten a little confused about which email I last used on this list,
so apologies in advance if this message gets duplicated.
--
Scott McDonald
"Components, Controls, Tools and Resources for LiveCode"
http://www.runrevplanet.com
http://livecodegamedeveloper.com/
http://livecodegamedev.net/



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Feb 18 02:52:09 2014
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:52:09 -0800
Subject: Image Processing Makes Livecode Appear to Crash
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqp6ZZ2Ub8siqg+PAuXM2qpcrrqvdFi8vg_fTP__2E0Gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1392643665.53020e518ec93@www.server101.com>	<53024BA9.203@splash21.com>	<CADd0_TwQa+A_iHesj0yTxCDyeECqTVeQK38vws464Gvi3hWqfg@mail.gmail.com>	<530253E6.2040507@LinkIt.Com>
	<530269BE.8080106@researchware.com>	<53026E0A.8010404@LinkIt.Com>
	<530281EF.5010103@researchware.com>	<53028A1D.7060304@LinkIt.Com>
	<5302A402.2070702@pdslabs.net>
	<CAKCLKtqp6ZZ2Ub8siqg+PAuXM2qpcrrqvdFi8vg_fTP__2E0Gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53031129.4050704@pdslabs.net>

Almost as good as Alka-Seltzer!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT1TSdWjkQ )

Phil


On 2/17/14, 9:07 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
>
>> Not sure, but it might make a difference if you update the cursor only
>> every 10th or 20th time through the loop. Like so:
>>
> I read through the first responses in this thread and with each one, in my
> head I was saying louder and louder, "don't update the cursor every time!"
> Then I got to your response and the pressure in my head went away. Thanks.
> ;-)
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>

-- 
Phil Davis




From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Tue Feb 18 09:40:15 2014
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:40:15 +0100
Subject: Menu memory
Message-ID: <198C796C-0041-4DD0-AF62-9D6D6D922335@laposte.net>

Hello,

I made a quizz for a school.
There are many "options buttons" which  display severals choices.

On the opencard script i set the label of each button to the first item of the menu, but when you click on a menu, it's the last choice that is selected by default and not the current label.

How avoid this ?

Thanks


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Feb 18 09:44:58 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:44:58 +0000
Subject: Menu memory
In-Reply-To: <198C796C-0041-4DD0-AF62-9D6D6D922335@laposte.net>
References: <198C796C-0041-4DD0-AF62-9D6D6D922335@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W173F1AC63DB2F403E1DB5FED980@phx.gbl>

Have a look at 'menuhistory' in the dictionary...

> From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net
> Subject: Menu memory
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:40:15 +0100
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I made a quizz for a school.
> There are many "options buttons" which  display severals choices.
> 
> On the opencard script i set the label of each button to the first item of the menu, but when you click on a menu, it's the last choice that is selected by default and not the current label.
> 
> How avoid this ?
> 
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
 		 	   		  

From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Tue Feb 18 09:53:42 2014
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:53:42 +0100
Subject: Menu memory
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W173F1AC63DB2F403E1DB5FED980@phx.gbl>
References: <198C796C-0041-4DD0-AF62-9D6D6D922335@laposte.net>
	<DUB114-W173F1AC63DB2F403E1DB5FED980@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <95D8962A-AE95-413B-9F0E-F877A7E3EF37@laposte.net>


Le 18 f?vr. 2014 ? 15:44, John Dixon a ?crit :

> Have a look at 'menuhistory' in the dictionary...


Thanks.

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 18 10:05:30 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 07:05:30 -0800
Subject: Dollar Sign Variables
In-Reply-To: <1392698348969-4676039.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1392698348969-4676039.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <530376BA.2020207@fourthworld.com>

Mark Smith wrote:

> Is there a tutorial on using the debugger, for those of us 'old school' who
> seem dependent on put statements?

Section 3.5 of the User Guide (p 63-70) is well illustrated and should 
provide what you're looking for.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From alain.vezina at logilangue.com  Tue Feb 18 10:34:45 2014
From: alain.vezina at logilangue.com (Alain Vezina)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:34:45 -0500
Subject: still error ITMS-9000 "invalid Code Signing
Message-ID: <C65F6DBC-F248-4BCE-81DD-C53C83C0E85B@logilangue.com>

I tried to send my app to the App Store using LC 6.6-dp1 and I received the same message as lasts weeks : ERROR ITMS-9000 "Invalid Code Signign ". Iwas sure that bug fix [11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store] was for that problem. Am I right or wrong?

I feel very frustrated, waiting two weeks to send my app and getting the same result.

Alain V?zina
Logilangue
514-596-1385
www.logilangue.com


From neil at runrev.com  Tue Feb 18 10:49:29 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 15:49:29 +0000
Subject: still error ITMS-9000 "invalid Code Signing
In-Reply-To: <C65F6DBC-F248-4BCE-81DD-C53C83C0E85B@logilangue.com>
References: <C65F6DBC-F248-4BCE-81DD-C53C83C0E85B@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <53038109.5080603@runrev.com>

Dear Alain,

As you have mentioned, bug 11754 should be resolved in LiveCode 6.6-dp1 
however, I do not beleive this relates to the issue you are 
experiencing. This bug related to the creation of an invalid standalone 
iOS app that did not adhere to Apples recent iOS store changes.

More information on this can be found here- 
https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=12172013a

With that being said, te ERROR ITMS-9000 "Invalid Code Signign should 
relate to a signing discrepancy and the most likley cause is that you 
are using a development profile to sign and not a distribution one.

The error will also give more information on what is causing the error, 
so if you are still unable to resolve the issue, please post this 
additional information and we may be able to assist further.

Kind Regards,


Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
-





On 18/02/2014 15:34, Alain Vezina wrote:
> I tried to send my app to the App Store using LC 6.6-dp1 and I received the same message as lasts weeks : ERROR ITMS-9000 "Invalid Code Signign ". Iwas sure that bug fix [11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store] was for that problem. Am I right or wrong?
>
> I feel very frustrated, waiting two weeks to send my app and getting the same result.
>
> Alain V?zina
> Logilangue
> 514-596-1385
> www.logilangue.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Feb 18 11:43:03 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:43:03 -0500
Subject: Page Turner
In-Reply-To: <AABB54D0-3125-4925-B63C-86BD46F11D47@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.5271.1392673035.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<AABB54D0-3125-4925-B63C-86BD46F11D47@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMi_zr2_orvWVEZBTgPzApmGpZ0=v_Cai4bbigohMp7fQ@mail.gmail.com>

What I would REALLY like is a way to slide from one card to the next on
mobile, but have the slide follow my finger, so that if I start to slide,
but stop, the slide stops, at least until I start moving again, and if I
remove my finger, I can decide, based on how far I've slid, whether to
continue the transition, or reverse it.


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com> wrote:

> If anyone needs a simple visual effect of a page turning, I've uploaded an
> example to revOnline.
> Page Turner
> http://livecodeshare.runrev.com/stack/760/Page-Turner
>
> The handler is just 40 lines long, so it's not much of a...well...page turner.
> ;)
>
> Jim Lambert
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From alain.vezina at logilangue.com  Tue Feb 18 12:13:29 2014
From: alain.vezina at logilangue.com (Alain Vezina)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 12:13:29 -0500
Subject: still error ITMS-9000 "invalid Code Signing
In-Reply-To: <53038109.5080603@runrev.com>
References: <C65F6DBC-F248-4BCE-81DD-C53C83C0E85B@logilangue.com>
	<53038109.5080603@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E4322079-F687-4C67-8F89-AB5F4E321D39@logilangue.com>

Dear Neil,

I am on Mac Lion Mountain
using LC 6.6
XCode 5.0.2

I do use a distribution profile which is valid. Last time I used it in last November, it worked very well.
I checked the iPhone Distribution certificate and it is valid.

So, here is the complete message I received
ERROR ITMS-9000: " Invalid Code Signing. The executable ?may app name? must be signed with the certificate that is contained in the provisioning profile. ? at SoftwareAssets/SoftwareAsset(MZItmspSoftwareAssetPackage)

I hope that will help you to help me.

Kind regards

Alain Vezina

Le 2014-02-18 ? 10:49, Neil Roger <neil at runrev.com> a ?crit :

> Dear Alain,
> 
> As you have mentioned, bug 11754 should be resolved in LiveCode 6.6-dp1 however, I do not beleive this relates to the issue you are experiencing. This bug related to the creation of an invalid standalone iOS app that did not adhere to Apples recent iOS store changes.
> 
> More information on this can be found here- https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=12172013a
> 
> With that being said, te ERROR ITMS-9000 "Invalid Code Signign should relate to a signing discrepancy and the most likley cause is that you are using a development profile to sign and not a distribution one.
> 
> The error will also give more information on what is causing the error, so if you are still unable to resolve the issue, please post this additional information and we may be able to assist further.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> 
> Neil Roger
> --
> RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
> -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 18/02/2014 15:34, Alain Vezina wrote:
>> I tried to send my app to the App Store using LC 6.6-dp1 and I received the same message as lasts weeks : ERROR ITMS-9000 "Invalid Code Signign ". Iwas sure that bug fix [11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store] was for that problem. Am I right or wrong?
>> 
>> I feel very frustrated, waiting two weeks to send my app and getting the same result.
>> 
>> Alain V?zina
>> Logilangue
>> 514-596-1385
>> www.logilangue.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From neil at runrev.com  Tue Feb 18 12:25:50 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:25:50 +0000
Subject: still error ITMS-9000 "invalid Code Signing
In-Reply-To: <E4322079-F687-4C67-8F89-AB5F4E321D39@logilangue.com>
References: <C65F6DBC-F248-4BCE-81DD-C53C83C0E85B@logilangue.com>
	<53038109.5080603@runrev.com>
	<E4322079-F687-4C67-8F89-AB5F4E321D39@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <5303979E.5090003@runrev.com>

Dear Alain,

Thank you for supplying the additional information.

This info would imply that that the certificate that you are signing 
with is not contained within the provisioning profile you used for signing.

I would recommend that you remove and then re-download your development 
certificate and applicable provision profile from the iOS developer 
portal as this will likely resolve the issue. Other developers who 
experienced this issue, with the mentioned solution, can be found at the 
following stackOverflow post-

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19697237/invalid-provisioning-profile-missing-code-signing-certificate

Kind Regards,


Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
-


On 18/02/2014 17:13, Alain Vezina wrote:
> Dear Neil,
>
> I am on Mac Lion Mountain
> using LC 6.6
> XCode 5.0.2
>
> I do use a distribution profile which is valid. Last time I used it in last November, it worked very well.
> I checked the iPhone Distribution certificate and it is valid.
>
> So, here is the complete message I received
> ERROR ITMS-9000: " Invalid Code Signing. The executable ?may app name? must be signed with the certificate that is contained in the provisioning profile. ? at SoftwareAssets/SoftwareAsset(MZItmspSoftwareAssetPackage)
>
> I hope that will help you to help me.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Alain Vezina
>
> Le 2014-02-18 ? 10:49, Neil Roger <neil at runrev.com> a ?crit :
>
>> Dear Alain,
>>
>> As you have mentioned, bug 11754 should be resolved in LiveCode 6.6-dp1 however, I do not beleive this relates to the issue you are experiencing. This bug related to the creation of an invalid standalone iOS app that did not adhere to Apples recent iOS store changes.
>>
>> More information on this can be found here- https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=12172013a
>>
>> With that being said, te ERROR ITMS-9000 "Invalid Code Signign should relate to a signing discrepancy and the most likley cause is that you are using a development profile to sign and not a distribution one.
>>
>> The error will also give more information on what is causing the error, so if you are still unable to resolve the issue, please post this additional information and we may be able to assist further.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>> Neil Roger
>> --
>> RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18/02/2014 15:34, Alain Vezina wrote:
>>> I tried to send my app to the App Store using LC 6.6-dp1 and I received the same message as lasts weeks : ERROR ITMS-9000 "Invalid Code Signign ". Iwas sure that bug fix [11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store] was for that problem. Am I right or wrong?
>>>
>>> I feel very frustrated, waiting two weeks to send my app and getting the same result.
>>>
>>> Alain V?zina
>>> Logilangue
>>> 514-596-1385
>>> www.logilangue.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Feb 18 13:04:09 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:04:09 +0000
Subject: Getting rid of Unicode characters
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4OP2WM9YDA3BLvmTN68j19eLUg07BJ_0EScjqEu+Uj+Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4P3D49CaVBZoVxz-eZk27NWi+2QjQLqEk2s6GEZL-DZKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53027648.90306@gmail.com>,
	<CAO8Ty4OP2WM9YDA3BLvmTN68j19eLUg07BJ_0EScjqEu+Uj+Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1BBD8EF-B239-4307-97C1-976108845070@byu.edu>

Skip,

Have you looked at the plaintext property of fields? I think it converts non-convertible characters to a '?' It might be a tool you could use.

Devin

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:20 PM, "Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel" <skip at magicgate.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you!  This should give me something to go on.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> On 17/02/14 22:15, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>> 
>>> Is there a way to scan a field for "extra" characters or non-English
>>> characters?  I am trying to create a verification process for some
>>> imported
>>> text and get rid of these characters in one swoop.
>>> 
>>> Any guidance here would be greatly appreciated.... as always!
>>> 
>>> Thanks again,
>>> 
>>> SKIP
>> Have a play around with my stack available here: http://forums.runrev.com/
>> viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18869
>> 
>> Richmond.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From chipp at altuit.com  Tue Feb 18 13:11:03 2014
From: chipp at altuit.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 12:11:03 -0600
Subject: How to find the application path?
In-Reply-To: <CAEC4YhO88xgQc3W=e9zgb76R+r+j514ygR4-JxXeEM9+43EqAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEC4YhO88xgQc3W=e9zgb76R+r+j514ygR4-JxXeEM9+43EqAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEC4YhMaUmDEx-5K3snT+9sF8exOjTzvt_87tytqjrQJr9yqWQ@mail.gmail.com>

I dreamt the answer:

put the address

it works!

Chipp Walters



On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at altuit.com> wrote:

> I believe a few years ago I found an undocumented rev function which
> returned the application path from a stack not part of the standalone.
>
> Does anyone remember the function call? (It's not filename, that only
> returns the path to the stack-- I'm looking for the app path.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Chipp Walters
>
>


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Tue Feb 18 13:45:44 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:45:44 -0500
Subject: How to find the application path?
In-Reply-To: <CAEC4YhMaUmDEx-5K3snT+9sF8exOjTzvt_87tytqjrQJr9yqWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEC4YhO88xgQc3W=e9zgb76R+r+j514ygR4-JxXeEM9+43EqAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEC4YhMaUmDEx-5K3snT+9sF8exOjTzvt_87tytqjrQJr9yqWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNzvtFrJx_vHmOn3MiW2eJJe41gvidc9sgBjEbnf3=kDw@mail.gmail.com>

That's awesome!  It even has the fully qualified computer name!

~Roger


On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at altuit.com> wrote:

> I dreamt the answer:
>
> put the address
>
> it works!
>
> Chipp Walters
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at altuit.com> wrote:
>
> > I believe a few years ago I found an undocumented rev function which
> > returned the application path from a stack not part of the standalone.
> >
> > Does anyone remember the function call? (It's not filename, that only
> > returns the path to the stack-- I'm looking for the app path.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Chipp Walters
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From alain.vezina at logilangue.com  Tue Feb 18 14:04:40 2014
From: alain.vezina at logilangue.com (Alain Vezina)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:04:40 -0500
Subject: still error ITMS-9000 "invalid Code Signing
In-Reply-To: <5303979E.5090003@runrev.com>
References: <C65F6DBC-F248-4BCE-81DD-C53C83C0E85B@logilangue.com>
	<53038109.5080603@runrev.com>
	<E4322079-F687-4C67-8F89-AB5F4E321D39@logilangue.com>
	<5303979E.5090003@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DEA3322D-EC79-4564-8BCD-1F7265204350@logilangue.com>

Dear Neil,

Thank you for helping, because that pushed me to the right solution: 
I did what you suggested, but it did not work.
So, I create a new Provisioning Profile for Distribution and, in the process, I was asking to make a link between this profile and a Distribution Certificate, what I did, It worked very well when loaded my app to the App Store.

What I understand now :
I think that, in the past, we did not have to make a link between a Profile and a Certificate.
My old Provisioning Profile for Distribution was created before I created and download a new IOS Distribution Certificate, So there was no link between us. That is why it did not work.
If I am right, that means I have to delete all my old Provisionings Profile for Distribution, create new ones with a link to my valid IOS Distribution Certificate.

Hoping that could be useful to someone.

Kind Regards

Alain Vezina

Le 2014-02-18 ? 12:25, Neil Roger <neil at runrev.com> a ?crit :

> Dear Alain,
> 
> Thank you for supplying the additional information.
> 
> This info would imply that that the certificate that you are signing with is not contained within the provisioning profile you used for signing.
> 
> I would recommend that you remove and then re-download your development certificate and applicable provision profile from the iOS developer portal as this will likely resolve the issue. Other developers who experienced this issue, with the mentioned solution, can be found at the following stackOverflow post-
> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19697237/invalid-provisioning-profile-missing-code-signing-certificate
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> 
> Neil Roger
> --
> RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
> -
> 
> 
> On 18/02/2014 17:13, Alain Vezina wrote:
>> Dear Neil,
>> 
>> I am on Mac Lion Mountain
>> using LC 6.6
>> XCode 5.0.2
>> 
>> I do use a distribution profile which is valid. Last time I used it in last November, it worked very well.
>> I checked the iPhone Distribution certificate and it is valid.
>> 
>> So, here is the complete message I received
>> ERROR ITMS-9000: " Invalid Code Signing. The executable ?may app name? must be signed with the certificate that is contained in the provisioning profile. ? at SoftwareAssets/SoftwareAsset(MZItmspSoftwareAssetPackage)
>> 
>> I hope that will help you to help me.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> 
>> Alain Vezina
>> 
>> Le 2014-02-18 ? 10:49, Neil Roger <neil at runrev.com> a ?crit :
>> 
>>> Dear Alain,
>>> 
>>> As you have mentioned, bug 11754 should be resolved in LiveCode 6.6-dp1 however, I do not beleive this relates to the issue you are experiencing. This bug related to the creation of an invalid standalone iOS app that did not adhere to Apples recent iOS store changes.
>>> 
>>> More information on this can be found here- https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=12172013a
>>> 
>>> With that being said, te ERROR ITMS-9000 "Invalid Code Signign should relate to a signing discrepancy and the most likley cause is that you are using a development profile to sign and not a distribution one.
>>> 
>>> The error will also give more information on what is causing the error, so if you are still unable to resolve the issue, please post this additional information and we may be able to assist further.
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Neil Roger
>>> --
>>> RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
>>> -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/02/2014 15:34, Alain Vezina wrote:
>>>> I tried to send my app to the App Store using LC 6.6-dp1 and I received the same message as lasts weeks : ERROR ITMS-9000 "Invalid Code Signign ". Iwas sure that bug fix [11754 - Error (invalid bundle) on uploading app to iOS App Store] was for that problem. Am I right or wrong?
>>>> 
>>>> I feel very frustrated, waiting two weeks to send my app and getting the same result.
>>>> 
>>>> Alain V?zina
>>>> Logilangue
>>>> 514-596-1385
>>>> www.logilangue.com
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Feb 18 14:10:10 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:10:10 -0500
Subject: still error ITMS-9000 "invalid Code Signing
In-Reply-To: <DEA3322D-EC79-4564-8BCD-1F7265204350@logilangue.com>
References: <C65F6DBC-F248-4BCE-81DD-C53C83C0E85B@logilangue.com>
	<53038109.5080603@runrev.com>
	<E4322079-F687-4C67-8F89-AB5F4E321D39@logilangue.com>
	<5303979E.5090003@runrev.com>
	<DEA3322D-EC79-4564-8BCD-1F7265204350@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <487F247D-9843-43E0-B22D-9E4C12032590@verizon.net>

No, you only have to go to them and download them again, selecting the certificate if asked. The general case is that any time you change your certificate you have to fix any profiles that were made with the old certificate. The most common case for that to be needed is when you have renewed your iPhone developer subscription.


On Feb 18, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Alain Vezina <alain.vezina at logilangue.com> wrote:

> >If I am right, that means I have to delete all my old Provisionings Profile for Distribution, create new ones with a link to my valid IOS Distribution Certificate.



From alain.vezina at logilangue.com  Tue Feb 18 14:28:38 2014
From: alain.vezina at logilangue.com (Alain Vezina)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 14:28:38 -0500
Subject: still error ITMS-9000 "invalid Code Signing
In-Reply-To: <487F247D-9843-43E0-B22D-9E4C12032590@verizon.net>
References: <C65F6DBC-F248-4BCE-81DD-C53C83C0E85B@logilangue.com>
	<53038109.5080603@runrev.com>
	<E4322079-F687-4C67-8F89-AB5F4E321D39@logilangue.com>
	<5303979E.5090003@runrev.com>
	<DEA3322D-EC79-4564-8BCD-1F7265204350@logilangue.com>
	<487F247D-9843-43E0-B22D-9E4C12032590@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <EA479D27-744E-46F8-AE05-E3F79BA6EFC5@logilangue.com>

You are right. I renewed my iPhone developer subscription a few weeks ago

Thank you for your help.

Regards

Alain Vezina

Le 2014-02-18 ? 14:10, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> a ?crit :

> No, you only have to go to them and download them again, selecting the certificate if asked. The general case is that any time you change your certificate you have to fix any profiles that were made with the old certificate. The most common case for that to be needed is when you have renewed your iPhone developer subscription.
> 
> 
> On Feb 18, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Alain Vezina <alain.vezina at logilangue.com> wrote:
> 
>>> If I am right, that means I have to delete all my old Provisionings Profile for Distribution, create new ones with a link to my valid IOS Distribution Certificate.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Feb 18 16:07:49 2014
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:07:49 -0800
Subject: Field to Webpage
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1392721201.4866.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1392721201.4866.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <740144D2-AEAE-4970-B6B3-C32FBBE8770B@clearvisiontech.com>

Howdy!

Has anyone tackled the idea of taking a field in LiveCode and outputting it to a webpage?    We're talking about taking the htmlText of a field (with styled text, tabs, text colors, imbedded images, etc, etc, etc.) and generating a html document that you could post to a website.

Anyone done this?

-Dan


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 18 16:26:08 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:26:08 -0800
Subject: Field to Webpage
In-Reply-To: <740144D2-AEAE-4970-B6B3-C32FBBE8770B@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <740144D2-AEAE-4970-B6B3-C32FBBE8770B@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <5303CFF0.3020005@fourthworld.com>

Dan Friedman wroteL

 > Has anyone tackled the idea of taking a field in LiveCode and
 > outputting it to a webpage?    We're talking about taking the
 > htmlText of a field (with styled text, tabs, text colors, imbedded
 > images, etc, etc, etc.) and generating a html document that you
 > could post to a website.
 >
 > Anyone done this?

Between WebMerge and the various CMS authoring systems I manage for 
clients, that's a big chunk of what I do for a living.

The details vary according to the nature of the content, but htmlText 
does most of the heavy lifting, with a bit of 
tedious-but-not-too-difficult massaging.

What do you need to do?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From slylabs13 at me.com  Tue Feb 18 20:18:23 2014
From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:18:23 -0800
Subject: Getting rid of Unicode characters
In-Reply-To: <B1BBD8EF-B239-4307-97C1-976108845070@byu.edu>
References: <CAO8Ty4P3D49CaVBZoVxz-eZk27NWi+2QjQLqEk2s6GEZL-DZKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<53027648.90306@gmail.com>
	<CAO8Ty4OP2WM9YDA3BLvmTN68j19eLUg07BJ_0EScjqEu+Uj+Pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B1BBD8EF-B239-4307-97C1-976108845070@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4270F301-483B-4BCC-A580-E6937320BDA1@me.com>

Plaintext will not remove characters, which is what he wants. What he REALLY wants is something to remove ann non-printing characters from a chunk. I cannot help but believe there is a regex way to do this. 

Bob


On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> Skip,
> 
> Have you looked at the plaintext property of fields? I think it converts non-convertible characters to a '?' It might be a tool you could use.
> 
> Devin
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:20 PM, "Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel" <skip at magicgate.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you!  This should give me something to go on.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> On 17/02/14 22:15, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Is there a way to scan a field for "extra" characters or non-English
>>>> characters?  I am trying to create a verification process for some
>>>> imported
>>>> text and get rid of these characters in one swoop.
>>>> 
>>>> Any guidance here would be greatly appreciated.... as always!
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> 
>>>> SKIP
>>> Have a play around with my stack available here: http://forums.runrev.com/
>>> viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18869
>>> 
>>> Richmond.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From slylabs13 at me.com  Tue Feb 18 20:19:34 2014
From: slylabs13 at me.com (Robert Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 17:19:34 -0800
Subject: How to find the application path?
In-Reply-To: <CAEC4YhMaUmDEx-5K3snT+9sF8exOjTzvt_87tytqjrQJr9yqWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEC4YhO88xgQc3W=e9zgb76R+r+j514ygR4-JxXeEM9+43EqAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEC4YhMaUmDEx-5K3snT+9sF8exOjTzvt_87tytqjrQJr9yqWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF547ADC-7778-4165-AA4D-448D26ECCBF5@me.com>

What an odd duck of a command! I wonder what it returns on mobile? I don?t do mobile yet so I cannot test it myself.

Bob


On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Chipp Walters <chipp at altuit.com> wrote:

> I dreamt the answer:
> 
> put the address
> 
> it works!
> 
> Chipp Walters
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Chipp Walters <chipp at altuit.com> wrote:
> 
>> I believe a few years ago I found an undocumented rev function which
>> returned the application path from a stack not part of the standalone.
>> 
>> Does anyone remember the function call? (It's not filename, that only
>> returns the path to the stack-- I'm looking for the app path.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Chipp Walters
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From cszasz at me.com  Tue Feb 18 20:50:59 2014
From: cszasz at me.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:50:59 -0500
Subject: Setting the textStyle of content of custom properties
Message-ID: <67680162-999F-4294-9F60-0E3C89A1DD09@me.com>

Hi Craig,

Thanks for responding to my request for help! I would have emailed you earlier but my work has kept me away from coding. I tried the following:

set the styledText of customProperties["uMyLabel"] of button "check1ps" to ?bold"

But that doesn?t not work. I have a six words in a custom property for button "check1ps?.  I am trying to set the text in the custom property to bold because I have other buttons that also have custom properties which are not bold.  I want to manipulate the text of the custom properties so that only a select button will appear bold in a field.

Can you tell me what I am doing wrong?

Thanks!

Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 18 21:08:55 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:08:55 -0800
Subject: Setting the textStyle of content of custom properties
In-Reply-To: <67680162-999F-4294-9F60-0E3C89A1DD09@me.com>
References: <67680162-999F-4294-9F60-0E3C89A1DD09@me.com>
Message-ID: <53041237.5070002@fourthworld.com>

Charles Szasz wrote:

 > set the styledText of customProperties["uMyLabel"] of button
 > "check1ps" to ?bold"
 >
 > But that doesn?t not work.

The textStyle is a property of objects, or of chunks of text in a field, 
but the values stored in custom properties are just raw data, so they 
have no properties of any kind.

What you might consider instead is using custom property sets rather 
than properties, where each set is named after a button and contains a 
property named "bold", e.g.:

   set the customPropertySet of button "check1ps" to "My Button Name"
   set the uBold of this stack to true

To set the button's textStyle to bold:

   set the customPropertySet of button "check1ps" to tMyButtonVar
   set the textStyle of btn tMyButtonVar to (the uBold of btn "check1ps")

But unless the data must be physically bound to the button, it would be 
simpler to just use a multi-level array in a variable:

    put true into MyButtVarsA[tMyButtonName]["bold"]

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys





From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Feb 18 21:12:23 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 02:12:23 +0000
Subject: Setting the textStyle of content of custom properties
In-Reply-To: <67680162-999F-4294-9F60-0E3C89A1DD09@me.com>
References: <67680162-999F-4294-9F60-0E3C89A1DD09@me.com>
Message-ID: <C432238C-A0BD-497D-A7EE-EFDF3D8D8BA1@iotecdigital.com>

I don?t think you can set the properties of a property like that. Also, I was under the impression that styledText is a field property and not one that belonged to a button. In fact the dictionary says, "set the styledText of field to styledArray? indicating that it can only be used with a field. 

Bob

On Feb 18, 2014, at 17:50 , Charles Szasz <cszasz at me.com> wrote:

> Hi Craig,
> 
> Thanks for responding to my request for help! I would have emailed you earlier but my work has kept me away from coding. I tried the following:
> 
> set the styledText of customProperties["uMyLabel"] of button "check1ps" to ?bold"
> 
> But that doesn?t not work. I have a six words in a custom property for button "check1ps?.  I am trying to set the text in the custom property to bold because I have other buttons that also have custom properties which are not bold.  I want to manipulate the text of the custom properties so that only a select button will appear bold in a field.
> 
> Can you tell me what I am doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Feb 18 21:15:27 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 02:15:27 +0000
Subject: Setting the textStyle of content of custom properties
In-Reply-To: <67680162-999F-4294-9F60-0E3C89A1DD09@me.com>
References: <67680162-999F-4294-9F60-0E3C89A1DD09@me.com>
Message-ID: <B8B2A178-7659-466E-9EDF-80BD60A11FAC@iotecdigital.com>

<uurp> sorry too many beer. I forgot to tell you what to do with the styled text once you put the text into a field and set the styledText to that. Put the htmlText of the field into your property. You might be able to use rtfText as well, but you can do wonderful things with htmlText like embed icons and such. Try it with a dialog sometime! 

Bob


On Feb 18, 2014, at 17:50 , Charles Szasz <cszasz at me.com> wrote:

> Hi Craig,
> 
> Thanks for responding to my request for help! I would have emailed you earlier but my work has kept me away from coding. I tried the following:
> 
> set the styledText of customProperties["uMyLabel"] of button "check1ps" to ?bold"
> 
> But that doesn?t not work. I have a six words in a custom property for button "check1ps?.  I am trying to set the text in the custom property to bold because I have other buttons that also have custom properties which are not bold.  I want to manipulate the text of the custom properties so that only a select button will appear bold in a field.
> 
> Can you tell me what I am doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Feb 18 21:37:41 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:37:41 +0800
Subject: How to find the application path?
In-Reply-To: <CF547ADC-7778-4165-AA4D-448D26ECCBF5@me.com>
References: <CAEC4YhO88xgQc3W=e9zgb76R+r+j514ygR4-JxXeEM9+43EqAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEC4YhMaUmDEx-5K3snT+9sF8exOjTzvt_87tytqjrQJr9yqWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CF547ADC-7778-4165-AA4D-448D26ECCBF5@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kirLUywWaFkmm27oZ9vDuSpLqvNwa6hc68gFni+X4j6nw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Robert Sneidar <slylabs13 at me.com> wrote:

> What an odd duck of a command! I wonder what it returns on mobile? I don't
> do mobile yet so I cannot test it myself.
>
>
When testing in the iOS simulator it reports:

iphone:/Users/[then the full path to your iOS Simulator 'Applications'
folder]/a big long ID code/appname.app/app name

on a real iPhone it reports:

iphone:/var/modile/Applications/a different big long ID code/appname.app/
appname

I don't know if 'the address' was ever undocumented, as it was part of Rev
v 1.0, but it's certainly documented now.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 03:02:57 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:02:57 +0200
Subject: Getting rid of Unicode characters
In-Reply-To: <4270F301-483B-4BCC-A580-E6937320BDA1@me.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4P3D49CaVBZoVxz-eZk27NWi+2QjQLqEk2s6GEZL-DZKw@mail.gmail.com>	<53027648.90306@gmail.com>	<CAO8Ty4OP2WM9YDA3BLvmTN68j19eLUg07BJ_0EScjqEu+Uj+Pw@mail.gmail.com>	<B1BBD8EF-B239-4307-97C1-976108845070@byu.edu>
	<4270F301-483B-4BCC-A580-E6937320BDA1@me.com>
Message-ID: <53046531.9050105@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 03:18, Robert Sneidar wrote:
> Plaintext will not remove characters, which is what he wants. What he REALLY wants is something to remove ann non-printing characters from a chunk. I cannot help but believe there is a regex way to do this.

I have a stack that demonstrates how to filter characters (in fact, as 
with almost all of my work, the whole thing is moronically simple):

It consists of a card with 3 field; fORIGIN, fLIST and fOUTPUT 
(reasonably self-explanatory names).

fORIGIN contains one's UR-text, fLIST contains a string of characters 
one wishes to keep, and fOUTPUT is where one puts the filtered text.

There is a button, called "Button" (not trying to win any prizes here) 
that contains this script:

on mouseUp
    if fld "fLIST" contains the first char of fld "fORIGIN" then
       put the  first char of fld "fORIGIN" after fld "fOUTPUT"
       delete the first char of fld "fORIGIN"
    else
       delete the first char of fld "fORIGIN"
       end if
end mouseUp

as you can see it is fairly goofy; all it does is pick up the first char 
in fld fORIGIN and see whether it matches one of the chars in the string
in fld fLIST: if it is it plonks that char into fld fOUTPUT, and if not 
it just deletes it.

This button does not contain a loop (i.e. it checks one char per click), 
but with a repeat loop it could chew its way through
a great long text fairly quickly.

It is available here: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19188

I am sure one could do the same thing by comparing a string (say 
"$ORIGIN") with another string (say "$LIST") in much the same way;
but as my psychological development got stuck at the "seeing is 
believing" stage, I stuck with fields :)

------------------

Obviously, any characters that are not in the LIST (whether field or 
string) will get chucked away, whether they are Armenian characters or 
non-printing ones.

My example, just to make things screamingly obvious, has the list of 
English consonants in the fld fLIST, so on repeated button clicking it 
strips
the predictable sentence (The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog) 
of BOTH the vowels AND the spaces.

Richmond.

>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 18, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Skip,
>>
>> Have you looked at the plaintext property of fields? I think it converts non-convertible characters to a '?' It might be a tool you could use.
>>
>> Devin
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:20 PM, "Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel" <skip at magicgate.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you!  This should give me something to go on.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17/02/14 22:15, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way to scan a field for "extra" characters or non-English
>>>>> characters?  I am trying to create a verification process for some
>>>>> imported
>>>>> text and get rid of these characters in one swoop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any guidance here would be greatly appreciated.... as always!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>
>>>>> SKIP
>>>> Have a play around with my stack available here: http://forums.runrev.com/
>>>> viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18869
>>>>
>>>> Richmond.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Feb 19 04:03:54 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 01:03:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Robyn Miller talks about Hypercard on Mac Power User
Message-ID: <1392800634389-4676068.post@n4.nabble.com>

Robyn Miller (joint creator of Myst) features for a big part the 'Mac Power
User' podcast number 393. Starting around 0:41:39 he talks about Hypercard
and I managed to jot down some of the things he said (no guarantee of
accuracy, listen to the man yourself):

"It [Hypercard] was the tool that allowed us to create Myst..." "..it was
like the web before the web came along..." "...a precursor to the web..."
"...there should be a tool like that just to create websites..." "...and
there is more complex versions [of Hypercard] around..."



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Robyn-Miller-talks-about-Hypercard-on-Mac-Power-User-tp4676068.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From neil at runrev.com  Wed Feb 19 05:31:06 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:31:06 +0000
Subject: still error ITMS-9000 "invalid Code Signing
In-Reply-To: <EA479D27-744E-46F8-AE05-E3F79BA6EFC5@logilangue.com>
References: <C65F6DBC-F248-4BCE-81DD-C53C83C0E85B@logilangue.com>
	<53038109.5080603@runrev.com>
	<E4322079-F687-4C67-8F89-AB5F4E321D39@logilangue.com>
	<5303979E.5090003@runrev.com>
	<DEA3322D-EC79-4564-8BCD-1F7265204350@logilangue.com>
	<487F247D-9843-43E0-B22D-9E4C12032590@verizon.net>
	<EA479D27-744E-46F8-AE05-E3F79BA6EFC5@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <530487EA.3030906@runrev.com>

Hi Alain,

Its great to hear that you are back up and running with iOS store 
uploads. Please keep us informed if you experience any other issues.

Kind Regards,


Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
-
On 18/02/2014 19:28, Alain Vezina wrote:
> You are right. I renewed my iPhone developer subscription a few weeks ago
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Regards
>
> Alain Vezina
>
> Le 2014-02-18 ? 14:10, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> a ?crit :
>
>> No, you only have to go to them and download them again, selecting the certificate if asked. The general case is that any time you change your certificate you have to fix any profiles that were made with the old certificate. The most common case for that to be needed is when you have renewed your iPhone developer subscription.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Alain Vezina <alain.vezina at logilangue.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> If I am right, that means I have to delete all my old Provisionings Profile for Distribution, create new ones with a link to my valid IOS Distribution Certificate.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 06:27:15 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:27:15 +0200
Subject: OT: Robyn Miller talks about Hypercard on Mac Power User
In-Reply-To: <1392800634389-4676068.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1392800634389-4676068.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <53049513.7040209@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 11:03, Dave Kilroy wrote:
> Robyn Miller (joint creator of Myst) features for a big part the 'Mac Power
> User' podcast number 393. Starting around 0:41:39 he talks about Hypercard
> and I managed to jot down some of the things he said (no guarantee of
> accuracy, listen to the man yourself):
>
> "It [Hypercard] was the tool that allowed us to create Myst..." "..it was
> like the web before the web came along..." "...a precursor to the web..."
> "...there should be a tool like that just to create websites..." "...and
> there is more complex versions [of Hypercard] around..."
>
>

I'm not sure what I'm missing, but here: http://www.macpowerusers.com/shows/

The latest podcast seems to be number 177.

A search on that website for 'Robyn Miller' yields nothing.

A Google search like this: "Mac Power User" "Robyn Miller" also turns up 
nothing.

Richmond.





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 07:05:20 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:05:20 +0200
Subject: Delete char in string
Message-ID: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>

I am trying to do this:

delete first char of $TEXT

where $TEXT is a string

and seem to be getting myself into trouble.

Richmond



From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Feb 19 07:08:36 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:08:36 -0500
Subject: OT: Robyn Miller talks about Hypercard on Mac Power User
In-Reply-To: <53049513.7040209@gmail.com>
References: <1392800634389-4676068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<53049513.7040209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <649E796B-A1F0-438D-B97C-2467E139C3CA@verizon.net>

It?s the Macworld podcast 393. You can get to it quickly by searching for Robyn Miller in iTunes. The whole episode is him being interviewed.


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Feb 19 07:09:01 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:09:01 +0000
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>

as in something like this...
   put char 2 to (the number of chars of fld 1) of fld 1 into fld 2



> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:05:20 +0200
> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Delete char in string
> 
> I am trying to do this:
> 
> delete first char of $TEXT
> 
> where $TEXT is a string
> 
> and seem to be getting myself into trouble.
> 
> Richmond
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
 		 	   		  

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 07:10:04 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:10:04 +0200
Subject: OT: Robyn Miller talks about Hypercard on Mac Power User
In-Reply-To: <649E796B-A1F0-438D-B97C-2467E139C3CA@verizon.net>
References: <1392800634389-4676068.post@n4.nabble.com>	<53049513.7040209@gmail.com>
	<649E796B-A1F0-438D-B97C-2467E139C3CA@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <53049F1C.5000406@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 14:08, Colin Holgate wrote:
> It?s the Macworld podcast 393. You can get to it quickly by searching for Robyn Miller in iTunes. The whole episode is him being interviewed.

Thanks.

Richmond.





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 07:22:08 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:22:08 +0200
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5304A1F0.8070806@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 14:09, John Dixon wrote:
> as in something like this...
>     put char 2 to (the number of chars of fld 1) of fld 1 into fld 2
>
>
Exactly:

nipping chars off strings in fields is dead easy:

delete char 1 from field "MYCRAPPYTEXT"

but I have a funny feeling that everything will move a whole lot quicker 
if one could do this sort of thing:

delete char from $MYCRAPPYTEXT

where the name with the $ is a string variable [Err . .  guess my 
FORTRAN underwear is showing]

>> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:05:20 +0200
>> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Subject: Delete char in string
>>
>> I am trying to do this:
>>
>> delete first char of $TEXT
>>
>> where $TEXT is a string
>>
>> and seem to be getting myself into trouble.
>>
>> Richmond
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>   		 	   		
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Feb 19 07:27:57 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:27:57 +0000
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <5304A1F0.8070806@gmail.com>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>,
	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>,
	<5304A1F0.8070806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W754F35AD16EFB5E55E3211ED9B0@phx.gbl>

It is really the same thing...

   put "Hello" into $MyCrappyText
   put char 2 to (the number of chars of $MyCrappyText) of $MyCrappyText into $MyCrappyText
   put $MyCrappyText

> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:22:08 +0200
> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Delete char in string
> 
> On 19/02/14 14:09, John Dixon wrote:
> > as in something like this...
> >     put char 2 to (the number of chars of fld 1) of fld 1 into fld 2
> >
> >
> Exactly:
> 
> nipping chars off strings in fields is dead easy:
> 
> delete char 1 from field "MYCRAPPYTEXT"
> 
> but I have a funny feeling that everything will move a whole lot quicker 
> if one could do this sort of thing:
> 
> delete char from $MYCRAPPYTEXT
> 
> where the name with the $ is a string variable [Err . .  guess my 
> FORTRAN underwear is showing]
> 
> >> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:05:20 +0200
> >> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
> >> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Subject: Delete char in string
> >>
> >> I am trying to do this:
> >>
> >> delete first char of $TEXT
> >>
> >> where $TEXT is a string
> >>
> >> and seem to be getting myself into trouble.
> >>
> >> Richmond
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >   		 	   		
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
 		 	   		  

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 07:28:22 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:28:22 +0200
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 14:09, John Dixon wrote:
> as in something like this...
>     put char 2 to (the number of chars of fld 1) of fld 1 into fld 2
>
>
>

Oddly enough THIS works:

put fld "INN" into $INN
delete char 1 of $INN
put $INN into fld "OWT"

BUT, BUT, BIG UNCOMFORTABLE BUT, this:


put fld "INN" into $INN
  put fld "URTEXT" into $URTEXT
    repeat until $URTEXT is empty
    if $INN contains the first char of $URTEXT then
       put the first char of $URTEXT after $OUTTEXT
       delete the first char of $URTEXT
    else
       delete the first char of $URTEXT
    end if
end repeat
put $OUTTEXT into fld "fOUTTEXT"

Maybe this is because one cannot use CONTAINS with a string variable, Dunno.

Richmond.



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Feb 19 07:42:29 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 04:42:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OT: Robyn Miller talks about Hypercard on Macworld podcast
In-Reply-To: <53049F1C.5000406@gmail.com>
References: <1392800634389-4676068.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<53049513.7040209@gmail.com>
	<649E796B-A1F0-438D-B97C-2467E139C3CA@verizon.net>
	<53049F1C.5000406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1392813749980-4676079.post@n4.nabble.com>

Sorry everyone, I meant to write Macworld (must have been thinking about Mac
Power User...)



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Robyn-Miller-talks-about-Hypercard-on-Mac-Power-User-tp4676068p4676079.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 08:02:13 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:02:13 +0200
Subject: OT: Robyn Miller talks about Hypercard on Macworld podcast
In-Reply-To: <1392813749980-4676079.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1392800634389-4676068.post@n4.nabble.com>	<53049513.7040209@gmail.com>	<649E796B-A1F0-438D-B97C-2467E139C3CA@verizon.net>	<53049F1C.5000406@gmail.com>
	<1392813749980-4676079.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5304AB55.7020901@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 14:42, Dave Kilroy wrote:
> Sorry everyone, I meant to write Macworld (must have been thinking about Mac
> Power User...)
>
>
>
> -----
> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-Robyn-Miller-talks-about-Hypercard-on-Mac-Power-User-tp4676068p4676079.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Gotcha: https://itunes.apple.com/bg/podcast/id563933198?affId=1736887

Now, let me see how to do THAT on Linux :)

Probably best via Quicktime for Windows on WINE.

Richmond.



From warren at warrensweb.us  Wed Feb 19 08:28:11 2014
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:28:11 -0600
Subject: OT: Robyn Miller talks about Hypercard on Macworld podcast
In-Reply-To: <5304AB55.7020901@gmail.com>
References: <1392800634389-4676068.post@n4.nabble.com>	<53049513.7040209@gmail.com>	<649E796B-A1F0-438D-B97C-2467E139C3CA@verizon.net>	<53049F1C.5000406@gmail.com>	<1392813749980-4676079.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5304AB55.7020901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5304B16B.6040707@warrensweb.us>

On 02/19/2014 07:02 AM, Richmond wrote:
> Now, let me see how to do THAT on Linux :)


 From the Macworld podcast page, 
http://www.macworld.com/article/2094400/robyn-miller-from-myst-to-the-immortal-augustus-gladstone.html:

You can subscribe to the Macworld Podcast by clicking here. Or you can 
point your favorite podcast-savvy RSS reader at: 
http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/58576458-macworld/tracks



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb 19 09:02:03 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:02:03 +0100
Subject: OT: how to restore my Mac?
Message-ID: <00a701cf2d7b$2b4f0520$81ed0f60$@de>

Hi,

I've just messed up my Mac. I executed by accident chmod in my root and gave
all users all permissions to all my files (what I actually didn't wanted).

I am not used to Macs, so what is the easiest way to restore all file
permissions? Is there any kind of "reset to factory settings" or what about
a restore from time machine, will that restore the file permissions, if the
files are older, or do I have to reinstall the system from scratch and if
how?

Thanks for any hints

Tiemo

 

 



From mike at hoburne.com  Wed Feb 19 09:04:40 2014
From: mike at hoburne.com (HO Mike Frampton)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:04:40 +0000
Subject: how to restore my Mac?
In-Reply-To: <00a701cf2d7b$2b4f0520$81ed0f60$@de>
References: <00a701cf2d7b$2b4f0520$81ed0f60$@de>
Message-ID: <9689564BA09CB44D8FD19F85E7902D8DBB427DF53F@CCM.hoburnegroup.com>

Hi Tiemo,

I'm not sure if this will help but..
Under Utilities -> Disk Utility there are buttons for "Verify Disk Permissions" and "Repair Disk Permissions".

Might be of use.
Mike



Mike Frampton MIAP

Manager of Network Systems

Tel: 01425 277661

Email: mike at hoburne.com

Web: www.hoburne.com


This message and any attachments may contain information which is legally
privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are
hereby notified that any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution or use
of this information is strictly prohibited. The Hoburne Group does not accept
legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions
presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those
of the Hoburne Group unless otherwise specifically
stated

Hoburne Ltd. is a limited company registered in England and Wales. Registered
number: 1102096. Registered office: 261 Lymington Road, Highcliffe,
Christchurch, Dorset, BH23 5EE, United Kingdom.


-----Original Message-----
From: Tiemo Hollmann TB [mailto:toolbook at kestner.de]
Sent: 19 February 2014 14:02
To: 'How to use LiveCode'
Subject: OT: how to restore my Mac?

Hi,

I've just messed up my Mac. I executed by accident chmod in my root and gave all users all permissions to all my files (what I actually didn't wanted).

I am not used to Macs, so what is the easiest way to restore all file permissions? Is there any kind of "reset to factory settings" or what about a restore from time machine, will that restore the file permissions, if the files are older, or do I have to reinstall the system from scratch and if how?

Thanks for any hints

Tiemo





_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

From tate83 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 09:05:39 2014
From: tate83 at gmail.com (Pascal Lehner)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:05:39 +0100
Subject: OT: how to restore my Mac?
In-Reply-To: <00a701cf2d7b$2b4f0520$81ed0f60$@de>
References: <00a701cf2d7b$2b4f0520$81ed0f60$@de>
Message-ID: <CANi4YQZAELJBzyGM5H7Did_18ZNdymSnA_HVRJJV7pP60XidYg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tiemo,

I don't have my Mac in front of me right now but as far as I remember
it does offer a reset permissions function.

Just found this, which should work:
http://macs.about.com/od/Troubleshooting/qt/Mac-Troubleshooting-Reset-User-Account-Permissions.htm
or, as I do, you can give ONYX a chance, it does offer similar and
more functions: http://www.onyxmac.com/
Backup first, as usual ;-)

Regards,
Pascal

2014-02-19 15:02 GMT+01:00 Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>:
> Hi,
>
> I've just messed up my Mac. I executed by accident chmod in my root and gave
> all users all permissions to all my files (what I actually didn't wanted).
>
> I am not used to Macs, so what is the easiest way to restore all file
> permissions? Is there any kind of "reset to factory settings" or what about
> a restore from time machine, will that restore the file permissions, if the
> files are older, or do I have to reinstall the system from scratch and if
> how?
>
> Thanks for any hints
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From mkoob at rogers.com  Wed Feb 19 09:42:52 2014
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:42:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Right click (secondary click) not working in LiveCode IDE
Message-ID: <1392820972230-4676085.post@n4.nabble.com>

Working with LC 6.5.1 on Mac OS X 10.8.5,  today the right click is not
opening the contextual menu in the IDE.

This has never happened before.  I thought it may be something in my project
that was intecepting it. I tried creating a new stack drag a button on it
and then right click to show the contextual menu to Edit script, show
project inspector etc.  Still no joy.  Right clicking works in other
applications on the Mac.  Has anyone seen this before?  How do I get right
click(secondary click) working again?

Martin



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Right-click-secondary-click-not-working-in-LiveCode-IDE-tp4676085.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From mkoob at rogers.com  Wed Feb 19 09:50:02 2014
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:50:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Right click (secondary click) not working in LiveCode IDE
In-Reply-To: <1392820972230-4676085.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1392820972230-4676085.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1392821402272-4676086.post@n4.nabble.com>

Never Mind.

It was a plugin that I had recently installed that was causing the problem. 
I am following up with the developer.

Martin




--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Right-click-secondary-click-not-working-in-LiveCode-IDE-tp4676085p4676086.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Feb 19 10:42:21 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 07:42:21 -0800
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>
	<5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9EC19A7C-D1A2-4EB6-BE44-01698DE8F083@earthednet.org>

What about:

Replace char 1 of mystring with ""

Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Feb 19, 2014, at 4:28 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 19/02/14 14:09, John Dixon wrote:
>> as in something like this...
>>    put char 2 to (the number of chars of fld 1) of fld 1 into fld 2
> 
> Oddly enough THIS works:
> 
> put fld "INN" into $INN
> delete char 1 of $INN
> put $INN into fld "OWT"
> 
> BUT, BUT, BIG UNCOMFORTABLE BUT, this:
> 
> 
> put fld "INN" into $INN
> put fld "URTEXT" into $URTEXT
>   repeat until $URTEXT is empty
>   if $INN contains the first char of $URTEXT then
>      put the first char of $URTEXT after $OUTTEXT
>      delete the first char of $URTEXT
>   else
>      delete the first char of $URTEXT
>   end if
> end repeat
> put $OUTTEXT into fld "fOUTTEXT"
> 
> Maybe this is because one cannot use CONTAINS with a string variable, Dunno.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 10:57:03 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:57:03 +0200
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>
	<5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5304D44F.2070205@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 14:28, Richmond wrote:
> On 19/02/14 14:09, John Dixon wrote:
>> as in something like this...
>>     put char 2 to (the number of chars of fld 1) of fld 1 into fld 2
>>
>>
>>
>
> Oddly enough THIS works:
>
> put fld "INN" into $INN
> delete char 1 of $INN
> put $INN into fld "OWT"
>
> BUT, BUT, BIG UNCOMFORTABLE BUT, this:
>
>
> put fld "INN" into $INN
>  put fld "URTEXT" into $URTEXT
>    repeat until $URTEXT is empty
>    if $INN contains the first char of $URTEXT then
>       put the first char of $URTEXT after $OUTTEXT
>       delete the first char of $URTEXT
>    else
>       delete the first char of $URTEXT
>    end if
> end repeat
> put $OUTTEXT into fld "fOUTTEXT"
>
> Maybe this is because one cannot use CONTAINS with a string variable, 
> Dunno.

Or, is this because this line:

repeat until $URTEXT is empty

is rather silly?  I don't just suppose one can have a string that is empty.

If that be the problem [nice Subjunctive construction there, grammar 
groupies], how is one to finish one's REPEAT loop?

I don't know if one could do this;

repeat if $URTEXT exists

sounds a bit odd.

>
> Richmond.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 10:58:28 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:58:28 +0200
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <9EC19A7C-D1A2-4EB6-BE44-01698DE8F083@earthednet.org>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>	<5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>
	<9EC19A7C-D1A2-4EB6-BE44-01698DE8F083@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <5304D4A4.7070307@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 17:42, Earthednet-wp wrote:
> What about:
>
> Replace char 1 of mystring with ""

delete char 1 of $string works; that is not the problem.

Richmond.

>
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 4:28 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/02/14 14:09, John Dixon wrote:
>>> as in something like this...
>>>     put char 2 to (the number of chars of fld 1) of fld 1 into fld 2
>> Oddly enough THIS works:
>>
>> put fld "INN" into $INN
>> delete char 1 of $INN
>> put $INN into fld "OWT"
>>
>> BUT, BUT, BIG UNCOMFORTABLE BUT, this:
>>
>>
>> put fld "INN" into $INN
>> put fld "URTEXT" into $URTEXT
>>    repeat until $URTEXT is empty
>>    if $INN contains the first char of $URTEXT then
>>       put the first char of $URTEXT after $OUTTEXT
>>       delete the first char of $URTEXT
>>    else
>>       delete the first char of $URTEXT
>>    end if
>> end repeat
>> put $OUTTEXT into fld "fOUTTEXT"
>>
>> Maybe this is because one cannot use CONTAINS with a string variable, Dunno.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 11:11:30 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:11:30 +0200
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <9EC19A7C-D1A2-4EB6-BE44-01698DE8F083@earthednet.org>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>	<5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>
	<9EC19A7C-D1A2-4EB6-BE44-01698DE8F083@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <5304D7B2.8040102@gmail.com>

Dunnit!

The result may be downloaded here: 
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19188&p=96894#p96894

The "secret" if there is any secret at all, is that while I was working 
on the thing I did not
"unload" each string variable between each go.

Rather than repeat things endlessly here, I would urge interested 
parties to download the stack, mess around with it,
and crack open the scripts of the 2 buttons.

Richmond.



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb 19 12:10:09 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:10:09 +0100
Subject: AW: OT: how to restore my Mac?
In-Reply-To: <CANi4YQZAELJBzyGM5H7Did_18ZNdymSnA_HVRJJV7pP60XidYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a701cf2d7b$2b4f0520$81ed0f60$@de>
	<CANi4YQZAELJBzyGM5H7Did_18ZNdymSnA_HVRJJV7pP60XidYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01cf2d95$727dd560$57798020$@de>

Thank you for your hints,
I tried both without success. I don't know what the reset user permissions
actually does, perhaps permissions of some standard folders, but I think
both tools can't restore the permissions of my personal folders, because
they can't know, what they have been. So I restored all files from an (too)
old backup and are now reinstalling the rest by hand.
Thanks
Tiemo


> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
Auftrag
> von Pascal Lehner
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Februar 2014 15:06
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: OT: how to restore my Mac?
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> I don't have my Mac in front of me right now but as far as I remember it
does
> offer a reset permissions function.
> 
> Just found this, which should work:
>
http://macs.about.com/od/Troubleshooting/qt/Mac-Troubleshooting-Reset-User-
> Account-Permissions.htm
> or, as I do, you can give ONYX a chance, it does offer similar and more
> functions: http://www.onyxmac.com/ Backup first, as usual ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> Pascal
> 
> 2014-02-19 15:02 GMT+01:00 Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've just messed up my Mac. I executed by accident chmod in my root
> > and gave all users all permissions to all my files (what I actually
didn't
> wanted).
> >
> > I am not used to Macs, so what is the easiest way to restore all file
> > permissions? Is there any kind of "reset to factory settings" or what
> > about a restore from time machine, will that restore the file
> > permissions, if the files are older, or do I have to reinstall the
> > system from scratch and if how?
> >
> > Thanks for any hints
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 19 12:35:57 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:35:57 -0600
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <5304D7B2.8040102@gmail.com>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>	<5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>	<9EC19A7C-D1A2-4EB6-BE44-01698DE8F083@earthednet.org>
	<5304D7B2.8040102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5304EB7D.7020305@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/19/14, 10:11 AM, Richmond wrote:

> The "secret" if there is any secret at all, is that while I was working
> on the thing I did not
> "unload" each string variable between each go.

An easy trap to fall into. My big question is why you're using system 
variables.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 12:39:19 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:39:19 +0200
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <5304EB7D.7020305@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>	<5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>	<9EC19A7C-D1A2-4EB6-BE44-01698DE8F083@earthednet.org>	<5304D7B2.8040102@gmail.com>
	<5304EB7D.7020305@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5304EC47.9000402@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 19:35, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/19/14, 10:11 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> The "secret" if there is any secret at all, is that while I was working
>> on the thing I did not
>> "unload" each string variable between each go.
>
> An easy trap to fall into. My big question is why you're using system 
> variables.
>

Ha, Ha, ha: I'm just shoving a '$' in front of my variable names so that 
you and I can see
that they are strings . . .

. . . FORTRAN hangover I suppose.

The '$' are strictly for those of us over "a certain age" . . . LOL

Richmond.



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Feb 19 12:54:26 2014
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:54:26 -0800
Subject: Facebook Like
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1392807601.19017.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1392807601.19017.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <204072D9-FA9F-44A2-8AB8-8E53619C89D0@clearvisiontech.com>

Here's what I want to do: the user taps a "Like" button in my mobile app, they like a Facebook page, and a confirmation that they liked it is returned.

Anyone know how to do this?

Thanks in advance,
-Dan




From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Feb 19 13:07:09 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:07:09 +0100
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
Message-ID: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

I am experiencing a very strange problem after I save a stack AS.
Looks like LC remembers the original filename and insist on using it,
EVEN after I quit and restart LC!?

Today I made a little test and there is something rotten in the state of denmark :-)

1. I created a new stack with one field and one button;
on mouseup
  put the filename of this stack into fld 1
end mouseup

2. I saved the stack on my desktop

3. I click the button, all correct:
<http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_desktop.jpg>

4. I save the stack with the same name in another folder using menu "Save as..."

5. Then I click the button, the correct path appears in the field, but immediately I get
an error dialog "loop of death", have to hit COMMAND . to get out of this?
<http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_dialog_loop.jpg>

6. Then I save the stack CMD-S and it gets saved as in 2. = wrong filename!?
<http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_wrong_filename.jpg

What is happening?
Where could LC possibly store any previous filename and how to get rid of this?
Checked all props and prop sets to no available.

I'm using LC 6.3.2, OS X 10.9.1

Any hints much appreciated!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 13:23:46 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:23:46 +0200
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <5304F6B2.3050606@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 20:07, Klaus major-k wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> I am experiencing a very strange problem after I save a stack AS.
> Looks like LC remembers the original filename and insist on using it,
> EVEN after I quit and restart LC!?
>
> Today I made a little test and there is something rotten in the state of denmark :-)
>
> 1. I created a new stack with one field and one button;
> on mouseup
>    put the filename of this stack into fld 1
> end mouseup
>
> 2. I saved the stack on my desktop
>
> 3. I click the button, all correct:
> <http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_desktop.jpg>
>
> 4. I save the stack with the same name in another folder using menu "Save as..."
>
> 5. Then I click the button, the correct path appears in the field, but immediately I get
> an error dialog "loop of death", have to hit COMMAND . to get out of this?
> <http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_dialog_loop.jpg>
>
> 6. Then I save the stack CMD-S and it gets saved as in 2. = wrong filename!?
> <http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_wrong_filename.jpg
>
> What is happening?
> Where could LC possibly store any previous filename and how to get rid of this?
> Checked all props and prop sets to no available.
>
> I'm using LC 6.3.2, OS X 10.9.1
>
> Any hints much appreciated!
> sorry

Yo, Klaus: did you hear about the death of Bob Casales at 61? 
http://www.clubdevo.com/

Probably time to cut down on the fatty cheeses!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am about to ask a very insulting question; brace yourself:

When you did "Save As" I have a feeling that Livecode "thinks" (sorry, 
bad anthropomorphizmus, Ik weet, Ik ben een idioot; vergeef me)
that it has 2 stacks in its memory with the same name.

This is similar to my having 2 stacks called "FattyCheeses.livecode"; 
one on the desktop and one in a folder called "Bob_Casales" on the desktop.

Now; if I open the one on the desktop, and then open the one in the 
folder I'm going to get what education lawyers (Yeah, I know, the 
parasites do exist) call "a conflict of interests.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So: to your stack called "filename_test1.livecode" . . .

You have a stack with this name open in the IDE; a stack you have saved 
to /Users/klaus/desktop/

and you do a "Save As" with it to /Users/klaus/desktop/RevKram/

at that point I think Livecode 6.3.2 (err . . . why are you not using 
6.5 ???????) "thinks" (sorry, again) it has 2 stacks
called "filename_test1.livecode" open.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The 'normal, tedious, way round, until the RunRev chaps stop working a 
40 hour week' [some of us: including Thee and Me, Klaus, put in a hell
of a lot more than 40 hours] would seem to be this:

do your "Save As";

then: do a "Close and Remove from Memory",

then open the Saved-as stack in its NEW location.

Richmond.
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
>




From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Feb 19 13:31:14 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:31:14 +0100
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <5304F6B2.3050606@gmail.com>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>
	<5304F6B2.3050606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0588BF3C-6593-41C0-A697-682C43B08DFF@major-k.de>

Hi Richmond,

Am 19.02.2014 um 19:23 schrieb Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:

> On 19/02/14 20:07, Klaus major-k wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> I am experiencing a very strange problem after I save a stack AS.
>> Looks like LC remembers the original filename and insist on using it,
>> EVEN after I quit and restart LC!?
>> 
>> Today I made a little test and there is something rotten in the state of denmark :-)
>> 
>> 1. I created a new stack with one field and one button;
>> on mouseup
>>   put the filename of this stack into fld 1
>> end mouseup
>> 
>> 2. I saved the stack on my desktop
>> 
>> 3. I click the button, all correct:
>> <http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_desktop.jpg>
>> 
>> 4. I save the stack with the same name in another folder using menu "Save as..."
>> 
>> 5. Then I click the button, the correct path appears in the field, but immediately I get
>> an error dialog "loop of death", have to hit COMMAND . to get out of this?
>> <http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_dialog_loop.jpg>
>> 
>> 6. Then I save the stack CMD-S and it gets saved as in 2. = wrong filename!?
>> <http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_wrong_filename.jpg
>> 
>> What is happening?
>> Where could LC possibly store any previous filename and how to get rid of this?
>> Checked all props and prop sets to no available.
> ...

sorry, I am using LC 6.5.2 of course.

> The 'normal, tedious, way round, until the RunRev chaps stop working a 40 hour week' [some of us: including Thee and Me, Klaus, put in a hell
> of a lot more than 40 hours] would seem to be this:
> do your "Save As";
> then: do a "Close and Remove from Memory",
> then open the Saved-as stack in its NEW location.

No, I won't! :-D

LC has been working in this respect correctly for the last couple of years, so this might be a new bug and should be fixed.

> Richmond.

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 13:35:59 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:35:59 +0200
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <0588BF3C-6593-41C0-A697-682C43B08DFF@major-k.de>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>	<5304F6B2.3050606@gmail.com>
	<0588BF3C-6593-41C0-A697-682C43B08DFF@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <5304F98F.8090206@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 20:31, Klaus major-k wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
> Am 19.02.2014 um 19:23 schrieb Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>
>> On 19/02/14 20:07, Klaus major-k wrote:
>>> Hi friends,
>>>
>>> I am experiencing a very strange problem after I save a stack AS.
>>> Looks like LC remembers the original filename and insist on using it,
>>> EVEN after I quit and restart LC!?
>>>
>>> Today I made a little test and there is something rotten in the state of denmark :-)
>>>
>>> 1. I created a new stack with one field and one button;
>>> on mouseup
>>>    put the filename of this stack into fld 1
>>> end mouseup
>>>
>>> 2. I saved the stack on my desktop
>>>
>>> 3. I click the button, all correct:
>>> <http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_desktop.jpg>
>>>
>>> 4. I save the stack with the same name in another folder using menu "Save as..."
>>>
>>> 5. Then I click the button, the correct path appears in the field, but immediately I get
>>> an error dialog "loop of death", have to hit COMMAND . to get out of this?
>>> <http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_dialog_loop.jpg>
>>>
>>> 6. Then I save the stack CMD-S and it gets saved as in 2. = wrong filename!?
>>> <http://major-k.de/temp/stack1_wrong_filename.jpg
>>>
>>> What is happening?
>>> Where could LC possibly store any previous filename and how to get rid of this?
>>> Checked all props and prop sets to no available.
>> ...
> sorry, I am using LC 6.5.2 of course.
>
>> The 'normal, tedious, way round, until the RunRev chaps stop working a 40 hour week' [some of us: including Thee and Me, Klaus, put in a hell
>> of a lot more than 40 hours] would seem to be this:
>> do your "Save As";
>> then: do a "Close and Remove from Memory",
>> then open the Saved-as stack in its NEW location.
> No, I won't! :-D
>
> LC has been working in this respect correctly for the last couple of years, so this might be a new bug and should be fixed.

That is entirely possible: it does seem that with new versions really 
odd bugs creep in: I don't quite understand why, because, for the sake 
of argument, all the software I have ever developed (and that means from 
FORTRAN, BASIB, PASCAL, ZILOG, Hypercard, ToolBook, Metacard
to Livecode) has never 'lost' things when new things have been added, 
and old things have never been broken by new things.

Probably time to file a bug report.

>
>> Richmond.
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jiml at netrin.com  Wed Feb 19 13:50:41 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:50:41 -0800
Subject: Page Turner
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1392807601.19017.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1392807601.19017.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EE0715D0-71F5-4134-8D7B-F4A6B84AE280@netrin.com>

Mike K wrote:
> What I would REALLY like is a way to slide from one card to the next on
> mobile, but have the slide follow my finger, so that if I start to slide,
> but stop, the slide stops, at least until I start moving again, and if I
> remove my finger, I can decide, based on how far I've slid, whether to
> continue the transition, or reverse it.

Me too.
 iOS now has a native page turn gesture via UIPageViewController.
Guess we?d need an extra to tap that.

jim lambert




From paul at researchware.com  Wed Feb 19 14:22:46 2014
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:22:46 -0500
Subject: New England area (US) user group?
In-Reply-To: <52FA65CC.80808@researchware.com>
References: <52FA65CC.80808@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <53050486.40102@researchware.com>

Once last call on this. I have had a number of responses. I fthere  is
any one else on the list who sees this note who is interested n a New
England area LC users group, please contact me.


-- 
Paul Dupuis
Cofounder
*Researchware, Inc.*
http://www.researchware.com
http://www.twitter.com/researchware
http://www.facebook.com/researchware
http://www.linkedin.com/company/researchware-inc
https://plus.google.com/+Researchware/
<http://plus.google.com/+Researchware/>



From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Feb 19 14:29:11 2014
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:29:11 +0000
Subject: Blank page at the top of pdf output
Message-ID: <F7872089-7569-4001-9F35-376D3DF24225@unimelb.edu.au>

I'm trying to print a couple of cards to a pdf file and am consistently getting an extra blank page included before the output from the cards. The card rect is the same as the printPaperRectangle minus the printMargins so everything sits on the page nicely.

If I substantially decrease the size of the card then the blank page disappears but my output is not appropriately positioned on the page.

Any ideas on what I need to do to get it to work without the blank page?

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Senior Lecturer in Medical Education
Medical Education Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne






From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 19 14:37:21 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:37:21 -0600
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <5304F98F.8090206@gmail.com>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>	<5304F6B2.3050606@gmail.com>	<0588BF3C-6593-41C0-A697-682C43B08DFF@major-k.de>
	<5304F98F.8090206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530507F1.4060906@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/19/14, 12:35 PM, Richmond wrote:

> That is entirely possible: it does seem that with new versions really
> odd bugs creep in: I don't quite understand why, because, for the sake
> of argument, all the software I have ever developed (and that means from
> FORTRAN, BASIB, PASCAL, ZILOG, Hypercard, ToolBook, Metacard
> to Livecode) has never 'lost' things when new things have been added,
> and old things have never been broken by new things.

Maybe you never rewrote the stacks from scratch, the way they are doing 
with the engine.

> Probably time to file a bug report.

Agree, Klaus' problem sounds like a bug to me.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 19 14:39:22 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:39:22 -0600
Subject: Blank page at the top of pdf output
In-Reply-To: <F7872089-7569-4001-9F35-376D3DF24225@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <F7872089-7569-4001-9F35-376D3DF24225@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <5305086A.1020506@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/19/14, 1:29 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
> I'm trying to print a couple of cards to a pdf file and am
> consistently getting an extra blank page included before the output
> from the cards. The card rect is the same as the printPaperRectangle
> minus the printMargins so everything sits on the page nicely.

Do you have any "print break" commands in the print loop?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 14:41:58 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:41:58 -0500
Subject: Any Research Triangle Park, NC Livecode Users?
Message-ID: <72289720-27E6-40DF-869D-E5AF76B3A343@gmail.com>

Are there any Livecode users in the RTP area of North Carolina?   I have see several queries for user groups in other locations, so I wondered if there was any interest in this area?  Or am I the only one in this area that has seen the Livecode light?

Mike


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 19 14:44:00 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:44:00 -0600
Subject: Random name lists
Message-ID: <53050980.7030104@hyperactivesw.com>

I needed a list of random names for a prototype and found this handy 
page, which others may find useful:

<http://listofrandomnames.com/>

It isn't half as good as Scott Rossi's company name generator, but it 
does the job. I generated 100 names of random people in two seconds.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Feb 19 14:46:53 2014
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:46:53 +0000
Subject: Blank page at the top of pdf output
In-Reply-To: <5305086A.1020506@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F7872089-7569-4001-9F35-376D3DF24225@unimelb.edu.au>
	<5305086A.1020506@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <2A8834F7-218D-46CA-AAC7-1611EA76601D@unimelb.edu.au>


On 20/02/2014, at 06:39 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 2/19/14, 1:29 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
>> I'm trying to print a couple of cards to a pdf file and am
>> consistently getting an extra blank page included before the output
>> from the cards. The card rect is the same as the printPaperRectangle
>> minus the printMargins so everything sits on the page nicely.
> 
> Do you have any "print break" commands in the print loop?

No - should I?

> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 

Dr Terry Judd
Senior Lecturer in Medical Education
Medical Education Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne








From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Feb 19 14:49:00 2014
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 19:49:00 +0000
Subject: Blank page at the top of pdf output
In-Reply-To: <F7872089-7569-4001-9F35-376D3DF24225@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <F7872089-7569-4001-9F35-376D3DF24225@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <2475FC28-84B5-47F8-B99E-7987A3687430@unimelb.edu.au>

I guess I should have said that this is on OSX (10.7.5) with LC 6.5.2 in case that makes a difference.

On 20/02/2014, at 06:29 AM, Terry Judd wrote:

> I'm trying to print a couple of cards to a pdf file and am consistently getting an extra blank page included before the output from the cards. The card rect is the same as the printPaperRectangle minus the printMargins so everything sits on the page nicely.
> 
> If I substantially decrease the size of the card then the blank page disappears but my output is not appropriately positioned on the page.
> 
> Any ideas on what I need to do to get it to work without the blank page?
> 
> Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Senior Lecturer in Medical Education
Medical Education Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne








From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Feb 19 15:14:10 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:14:10 -0800
Subject: Random name lists
In-Reply-To: <53050980.7030104@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <53050980.7030104@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CF2A4FE2.3AF9C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Or, you could use this LiveCode version, posted in 2006:

go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/namegen.rev"


:-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 2/19/14 11:44 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

>I needed a list of random names for a prototype and found this handy
>page, which others may find useful:
>
><http://listofrandomnames.com/>
>
>It isn't half as good as Scott Rossi's company name generator, but it
>does the job. I generated 100 names of random people in two seconds.
>
>-- 
>Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>





From terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Feb 19 15:14:32 2014
From: terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:14:32 +0000
Subject: Blank page at the top of pdf output
In-Reply-To: <2A8834F7-218D-46CA-AAC7-1611EA76601D@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <F7872089-7569-4001-9F35-376D3DF24225@unimelb.edu.au>
	<5305086A.1020506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2A8834F7-218D-46CA-AAC7-1611EA76601D@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <81F90F88-95E9-4402-BBC2-40F25FB1C885@unimelb.edu.au>

OK - I switched syntax from...

print card cardNum

to

print card cardNum into cardRect

with a print break between each page and the blank page has gone.

Terry...

On 20/02/2014, at 06:46 AM, Terry Judd wrote:

> 
> On 20/02/2014, at 06:39 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> On 2/19/14, 1:29 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
>>> I'm trying to print a couple of cards to a pdf file and am
>>> consistently getting an extra blank page included before the output
>>> from the cards. The card rect is the same as the printPaperRectangle
>>> minus the printMargins so everything sits on the page nicely.
>> 
>> Do you have any "print break" commands in the print loop?
> 
> No - should I?
> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> Dr Terry Judd
> Senior Lecturer in Medical Education
> Medical Education Unit
> Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
> The University of Melbourne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 

Dr Terry Judd
Senior Lecturer in Medical Education
Medical Education Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne








From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 19 15:33:05 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:33:05 -0600
Subject: Blank page at the top of pdf output
In-Reply-To: <2A8834F7-218D-46CA-AAC7-1611EA76601D@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <F7872089-7569-4001-9F35-376D3DF24225@unimelb.edu.au>	<5305086A.1020506@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2A8834F7-218D-46CA-AAC7-1611EA76601D@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <53051501.1040907@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/19/14, 1:46 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
>
> On 20/02/2014, at 06:39 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On 2/19/14, 1:29 PM, Terry Judd wrote:
>>> I'm trying to print a couple of cards to a pdf file and am
>>> consistently getting an extra blank page included before the output
>>> from the cards. The card rect is the same as the printPaperRectangle
>>> minus the printMargins so everything sits on the page nicely.
>>
>> Do you have any "print break" commands in the print loop?
>
> No - should I?

Not necessarily. I just thought if you did, and it was at the top of a 
loop, it would print a blank page before the rest of the content. But 
you don't, so that's not it. The only other thing I can think of is that 
you're accidentally printing a blank card or something, but I suppose 
you've checked for that.

If you do decide to scale the printout as a workaround, then you could 
use "print break" if you need to force each card to its own page.

Or maybe "print to PDF" has a glitch.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 19 15:37:56 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 14:37:56 -0600
Subject: Random name lists
In-Reply-To: <CF2A4FE2.3AF9C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <53050980.7030104@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CF2A4FE2.3AF9C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <53051624.30809@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/19/14, 2:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Or, you could use this LiveCode version, posted in 2006:
>
> go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/namegen.rev"
>
>
> :-)

Oh geez, I wish I'd remembered that. I can't even recall what I had for 
dinner last night.

I'm grabbing it now and with luck I'll remember I have it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 15:38:59 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:38:59 +0200
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <530507F1.4060906@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>	<5304F6B2.3050606@gmail.com>	<0588BF3C-6593-41C0-A697-682C43B08DFF@major-k.de>	<5304F98F.8090206@gmail.com>
	<530507F1.4060906@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <53051663.20202@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 21:37, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/19/14, 12:35 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> That is entirely possible: it does seem that with new versions really
>> odd bugs creep in: I don't quite understand why, because, for the sake
>> of argument, all the software I have ever developed (and that means from
>> FORTRAN, BASIB, PASCAL, ZILOG, Hypercard, ToolBook, Metacard
>> to Livecode) has never 'lost' things when new things have been added,
>> and old things have never been broken by new things.
>
> Maybe you never rewrote the stacks from scratch, the way they are 
> doing with the engine.

You got me there!

>
>> Probably time to file a bug report.
>
> Agree, Klaus' problem sounds like a bug to me.
>




From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Feb 19 16:04:29 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 13:04:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
Message-ID: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi all,

I stumbled across a dictionary remark regarding setting textStyle

--------------------------------------
As of version 5.0.2 a new array variant of the textStyle property has been
added allowing for access to individual textStyles independently from the
others by specifying the required style as an array key.

	the textStyle[<style>]

Here, style can be one of bold, condensed, expanded, italic, oblique, box,
threedbox, underline, strikeout, link. For example
	
	set the textStyle["bold"] of field 1 to true
--------------------------------------

I tried it and it turned out to be a lot faster than

set the textStyle of word x of line y of field z to "box"

Since I have not seen anyone mentioning this form I thought I might share
it.

Anyone in for a speed test will love the difference, especially if you set
textStyles of many occurences in a long document. What used to be slow and
tedious and best avoided is now fast.

Kind regards
Bernd



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/set-the-textStyle-box-of-word-x-of-line-y-to-true-is-very-fast-tp4676113.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 16:07:42 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 23:07:42 +0200
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
In-Reply-To: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <53051D1E.9090708@gmail.com>

On 19/02/14 23:04, BNig wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I stumbled across a dictionary remark regarding setting textStyle
>
> --------------------------------------
> As of version 5.0.2 a new array variant of the textStyle property has been
> added allowing for access to individual textStyles independently from the
> others by specifying the required style as an array key.
>
> 	the textStyle[<style>]
>
> Here, style can be one of bold, condensed, expanded, italic, oblique, box,
> threedbox, underline, strikeout, link. For example
> 	
> 	set the textStyle["bold"] of field 1 to true
> --------------------------------------
>
> I tried it and it turned out to be a lot faster than
>
> set the textStyle of word x of line y of field z to "box"
>
> Since I have not seen anyone mentioning this form I thought I might share
> it.
>
> Anyone in for a speed test will love the difference, especially if you set
> textStyles of many occurences in a long document. What used to be slow and
> tedious and best avoided is now fast.
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>

That's something well worth knowing.

Richmond.
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/set-the-textStyle-box-of-word-x-of-line-y-to-true-is-very-fast-tp4676113.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 19 17:18:33 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:18:33 -0600
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <53051663.20202@gmail.com>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>	<5304F6B2.3050606@gmail.com>	<0588BF3C-6593-41C0-A697-682C43B08DFF@major-k.de>	<5304F98F.8090206@gmail.com>	<530507F1.4060906@hyperactivesw.com>
	<53051663.20202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53052DB9.9000004@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/19/14, 2:38 PM, Richmond wrote:

> You got me there!

Can I keep you?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 20:44:10 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:44:10 +0800
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <5304D7B2.8040102@gmail.com>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>
	<5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>
	<9EC19A7C-D1A2-4EB6-BE44-01698DE8F083@earthednet.org>
	<5304D7B2.8040102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kiAGBx61B6hZx+NzO0GKJKw4imQZx4otmx+JB3qgHoOLg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Rather than repeat things endlessly here, I would urge interested parties
> to download the stack, mess around with it,
> and crack open the scripts of the 2 buttons.
>
> In line with Geoff's recent post about riding the world of repeat loops
which aren't 'repeat for each' because of the huge benefit of scaling
repeat for each has over other forms, I thought I'd benchmark your code.

My results for 1,000,000 Unicode chars

Your Repeat Until = 237621 ms
Repeat for each = 0 ms

I couldn't believe it either so you'll see I inserted a breakpoint in my
code just to cofirm it was actually recording the time correctly - but
unless you use the Debugger and step through code checking variable values
this may be obvious. So I commented out your repeat and then tested repeat
for each only and it wasn't until 819,200,000 Unicode characters did I get
a 1 ms test time. After that I started crashing LC as I assume I was
hitting some limit.
,
In a New Stack, in a new button - the output is directed to the Message Box:

on mouseUp
   --breakpoint
   --create a random list of 20 ASCII chars between ASCII32 - ASCII 125
   repeat 20 times
      put numToChar(random(94) + 31) after tLIST
   end repeat
   ask "How many characters do you want to process" with 100000 titled
"Enter Digits Only - No Punctuation"
   put it into tNumOfChars
   answer "Do you wish to test against Unicode chars?" with "Yes" or "No"
titled "Test Unicode"
   put it into tUniCode
   if (tUniCode = "Yes") then
      set the useUnicode to true
      put 65535 into tUpperLimit
   else
      put 255 into tUpperLimit
   end if
   repeat tNumOfChars times
      put numToChar(random(tUpperLimit)) after tORIGIN
   end repeat
   --so the 2nd test is identical
   put tORIGIN into tORGIN2
   --TEST 1 TIMING
   put the millisec into tStartTime
   repeat until tORIGIN is empty
      if tLIST contains the first char of tORIGIN then
         put the first char of tORIGIN after tOUTPUT
         delete the first char of tORIGIN
      else
         delete the first char of tORIGIN
      end if
      --put $ORIGIN into fld "fORIGIN2"--not required
   end repeat
   put tOUTPUT into tTest1
   put the millisec into tEndTime
   put tEndTime - tStartTime into tTest1Time

   --TEST 2 TIMING
   put the millisec into tStartTime
   repeat for each char tChar in tORIGIN2
      if (tLIST contains tChar) then
         put tCHAR after tOUTPUT2
      end if
   end repeat
   put tOUTPUT into tTest2
   --breakpoint
   put the millisec into tEndTime
   put tEndTime - tStartTime into tTest2Time

   if (tTest1 = tTest2) then
      put "Repeat Until: " & tTest1Time & cr &  \
      "Repeat for Each: " & tTest2Time into msg
   else
      put "Failed - Outputs not equal" into msg
   end if
   beep
   --breakpoint
end mouseUp


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Feb 19 20:47:59 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:47:59 -0500
Subject: [OT] Paul Elio could change the world of transportation
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXPfVE=8HV7_H_6XSryQMSURe7aZqJTMsuZ8t6GNZeid+w@mail.gmail.com>

I drive to work every day, alone; and it really is such a drag, and a huge
waste of fuel.  Sometime in 2015, that is going to change for me, and for
at least 10,000 other people.

Why am I sharing this here?  Well, we are a different breed of developers,
not blindly following the mainstream.  So I thought maybe at least some of
you might get behind another revolution.  And there's the tie in.  Be
different, turn some heads, have some fun, and save money on your commute
to work.  Then continue having fun with LiveCode.

Check out the new American Revolution:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/02/prweb11598242.htm

~Roger


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 19 21:03:47 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 02:03:47 +0000
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75271197-B3C5-4536-9DD0-146C7FD22CD8@iotecdigital.com>

Aren?t those constants? Can you edit constants like variables?

Bob


On Feb 19, 2014, at 04:05 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am trying to do this:
> 
> delete first char of $TEXT
> 
> where $TEXT is a string
> 
> and seem to be getting myself into trouble.
> 
> Richmond
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 21:06:57 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:06:57 +0800
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kiAGBx61B6hZx+NzO0GKJKw4imQZx4otmx+JB3qgHoOLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W132FBCDEA876D73E0B06AAFED9B0@phx.gbl>
	<5304A366.8000408@gmail.com>
	<9EC19A7C-D1A2-4EB6-BE44-01698DE8F083@earthednet.org>
	<5304D7B2.8040102@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kiAGBx61B6hZx+NzO0GKJKw4imQZx4otmx+JB3qgHoOLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kiGrnTCY-qZSNrkeoPE0yFVwfiT4et+ixgdUtGjNZsNNQ@mail.gmail.com>

I hate it when I post too quickly.

0 ms was just too good to be true so I investigated further and found 2
errors in my code. The real figures are

10,000 Unicode
Repeat Until: 19 ms
Repeat for Each: 3 ms

100,000 Unicode
Repeat Until: 1823 ms
Repeat for Each: 30 ms

1,000,000 Unicode
Repeat Until: 236688 ms
Repeat for Each: 295 ms

Which still proves the point that 'repeat for each' scales much better than
other repeat forms.

Corrected script below:
on mouseUp
   --breakpoint
   --create a random list of 20 ASCII chars between ASCII32 - ASCII 125
   set the useUnicode to false
   put empty into tLIST
   repeat 20 times
      put numToChar(random(94) + 31) after tLIST
   end repeat
   ask "How many characters do you want to process" with 100000 titled
"Enter Digits Only - No Punctuation"
   put it into tNumOfChars
   answer "Do you wish to test against Unicode chars?" with "Yes" or "No"
titled "Test Unicode"
   put it into tUniCode
   if (tUniCode = "Yes") then
      set the useUnicode to true
      put 65535 into tUpperLimit
   else
      put 255 into tUpperLimit
   end if
   repeat tNumOfChars times
      put numToChar(random(tUpperLimit)) after tORIGIN
   end repeat
   put the number of chars in tORIGIN into msg
   --so the 2nd test is identical
   put tORIGIN into tORIGIN2
   --TEST 1 TIMING
   put the millisec into tStartTime
   repeat until tORIGIN is empty
      if tLIST contains the first char of tORIGIN then
         put the first char of tORIGIN after tOUTPUT
         delete the first char of tORIGIN
      else
         delete the first char of tORIGIN
      end if
      --put $ORIGIN into fld "fORIGIN2"--not required
   end repeat
   put tOUTPUT into tTest1
   put the millisec into tEndTime
   put tEndTime - tStartTime into tTest1Time

   --TEST 2 TIMING
   put the millisec into tStartTime
   repeat for each char tChar in tORIGIN2
      if (tLIST contains tChar) then
         put tChar after tOUTPUT2
      end if
   end repeat
   put tOUTPUT2 into tTest2
   --breakpoint
   put the millisec into tEndTime
   put tEndTime - tStartTime into tTest2Time
   --breakpoint
   if (tTest1 = tTest2) then
      put "Repeat Until: " & tTest1Time & " ms" & cr &  \
            "Repeat for Each: " & tTest2Time & " ms" into msg
   else
      put "Failed - Outputs not equal" into msg
   end if
   beep
   --breakpoint
end mouseUp


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 21:19:59 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:19:59 +0800
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
Message-ID: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>

I've written a very simple stack to encrypt or decrypt some text. There are two fields (In and Out) and two buttons (Encrypt and Decrypt). When I encrypt test in the IDE and then paste the encrypted text from the Out field to the In field and then decrypt it, I get the back the original text. But not in an OS X Standalone. From a few experiments, I suspect that the issue is related to displaying the encrypted text, probably an encoding issue.

I'm using LiveCode 6.5.2 under OS X 10.7.5

Here is my script:

local tData
local tDisplay
local tPassword
local tSalt
local tIV

on openStack
   put the sha1Digest of "My Old Password" into tPassword
   put "12345678" into tSalt
   put "1234567890123456" in tIV
end openStack

on encryptMSG
   put Field "In" into tData
   encrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt and IV tIV
   put it into tDisplay
   delete char 1 to 16 of tDisplay
   put tDisplay into Field "Out"
end encryptMSG

on decryptMSG
   put Field "In" into tData
   decrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt and IV tIV
   put it into Field "Out"
end decryptMSG

When I copy the encrypted text from the OS X standalone into a text editor (or even Mail), it displays differently (hence my suspicion that this is an encoding issue.

I appreciate any suggestions as to where I am going wrong.

Thanks

Peter 
http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 21:21:31 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:21:31 +0800
Subject: Delete char in string
In-Reply-To: <75271197-B3C5-4536-9DD0-146C7FD22CD8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <53049E00.5070001@gmail.com>
	<75271197-B3C5-4536-9DD0-146C7FD22CD8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5ki0jDGwgLerNu+0FqTV6w_1JELpWdP0dt4dRkLkeQNf=Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Bob Sneidar
<bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> Aren't those constants? Can you edit constants like variables?
>

No, they are variables. From the Dictionary:

Use this technique to create your own environment variables.


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Feb 19 21:23:29 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:23:29 -0500
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
References: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXPDEXWfzbRjoDcph6i4Ti8MBGQ9H=B0=LnVxpqOJ_2WJQ@mail.gmail.com>

In standalone application settings, are you including ssl & encryption?

~Roger
On Feb 19, 2014 9:20 PM, "Peter W A Wood" <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've written a very simple stack to encrypt or decrypt some text. There
> are two fields (In and Out) and two buttons (Encrypt and Decrypt). When I
> encrypt test in the IDE and then paste the encrypted text from the Out
> field to the In field and then decrypt it, I get the back the original
> text. But not in an OS X Standalone. From a few experiments, I suspect that
> the issue is related to displaying the encrypted text, probably an encoding
> issue.
>
> I'm using LiveCode 6.5.2 under OS X 10.7.5
>
> Here is my script:
>
> local tData
> local tDisplay
> local tPassword
> local tSalt
> local tIV
>
> on openStack
>    put the sha1Digest of "My Old Password" into tPassword
>    put "12345678" into tSalt
>    put "1234567890123456" in tIV
> end openStack
>
> on encryptMSG
>    put Field "In" into tData
>    encrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt and
> IV tIV
>    put it into tDisplay
>    delete char 1 to 16 of tDisplay
>    put tDisplay into Field "Out"
> end encryptMSG
>
> on decryptMSG
>    put Field "In" into tData
>    decrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt and
> IV tIV
>    put it into Field "Out"
> end decryptMSG
>
> When I copy the encrypted text from the OS X standalone into a text editor
> (or even Mail), it displays differently (hence my suspicion that this is an
> encoding issue.
>
> I appreciate any suggestions as to where I am going wrong.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 21:27:44 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:27:44 +0800
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPDEXWfzbRjoDcph6i4Ti8MBGQ9H=B0=LnVxpqOJ_2WJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPDEXWfzbRjoDcph6i4Ti8MBGQ9H=B0=LnVxpqOJ_2WJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C289594C-F249-44B7-AC51-A4FC89B2095D@gmail.com>

Roger

I'm pretty certain that I did. The first time I build the standalone, I used the "search for ..." option. The second time I specifically included the ssl & encryption lib. 

Regards

Peter
http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com

On 20 Feb 2014, at 10:23, Roger Eller wrote:

> In standalone application settings, are you including ssl & encryption?
> 
> ~Roger
> On Feb 19, 2014 9:20 PM, "Peter W A Wood" <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've written a very simple stack to encrypt or decrypt some text. There
>> are two fields (In and Out) and two buttons (Encrypt and Decrypt). When I
>> encrypt test in the IDE and then paste the encrypted text from the Out
>> field to the In field and then decrypt it, I get the back the original
>> text. But not in an OS X Standalone. From a few experiments, I suspect that
>> the issue is related to displaying the encrypted text, probably an encoding
>> issue.
>> 
>> I'm using LiveCode 6.5.2 under OS X 10.7.5
>> 
>> Here is my script:
>> 
>> local tData
>> local tDisplay
>> local tPassword
>> local tSalt
>> local tIV
>> 
>> on openStack
>>   put the sha1Digest of "My Old Password" into tPassword
>>   put "12345678" into tSalt
>>   put "1234567890123456" in tIV
>> end openStack
>> 
>> on encryptMSG
>>   put Field "In" into tData
>>   encrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt and
>> IV tIV
>>   put it into tDisplay
>>   delete char 1 to 16 of tDisplay
>>   put tDisplay into Field "Out"
>> end encryptMSG
>> 
>> on decryptMSG
>>   put Field "In" into tData
>>   decrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt and
>> IV tIV
>>   put it into Field "Out"
>> end decryptMSG
>> 
>> When I copy the encrypted text from the OS X standalone into a text editor
>> (or even Mail), it displays differently (hence my suspicion that this is an
>> encoding issue.
>> 
>> I appreciate any suggestions as to where I am going wrong.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Peter
>> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Feb 19 21:42:18 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:42:18 -0500
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <C289594C-F249-44B7-AC51-A4FC89B2095D@gmail.com>
References: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPDEXWfzbRjoDcph6i4Ti8MBGQ9H=B0=LnVxpqOJ_2WJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<C289594C-F249-44B7-AC51-A4FC89B2095D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXOVfoekf=BWu7uUpN=8MskXTvufHgzCHkkRZBebd08qPw@mail.gmail.com>

I had that problem when  testing 6.6 DP1 encryption on Android.  For my
situation, it was the platform specific ssl & encryption checbox.

Which  version are you using?
On Feb 19, 2014 9:28 PM, "Peter W A Wood" <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:

> Roger
>
> I'm pretty certain that I did. The first time I build the standalone, I
> used the "search for ..." option. The second time I specifically included
> the ssl & encryption lib.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
>
> On 20 Feb 2014, at 10:23, Roger Eller wrote:
>
> > In standalone application settings, are you including ssl & encryption?
> >
> > ~Roger
> > On Feb 19, 2014 9:20 PM, "Peter W A Wood" <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've written a very simple stack to encrypt or decrypt some text. There
> >> are two fields (In and Out) and two buttons (Encrypt and Decrypt). When
> I
> >> encrypt test in the IDE and then paste the encrypted text from the Out
> >> field to the In field and then decrypt it, I get the back the original
> >> text. But not in an OS X Standalone. From a few experiments, I suspect
> that
> >> the issue is related to displaying the encrypted text, probably an
> encoding
> >> issue.
> >>
> >> I'm using LiveCode 6.5.2 under OS X 10.7.5
> >>
> >> Here is my script:
> >>
> >> local tData
> >> local tDisplay
> >> local tPassword
> >> local tSalt
> >> local tIV
> >>
> >> on openStack
> >>   put the sha1Digest of "My Old Password" into tPassword
> >>   put "12345678" into tSalt
> >>   put "1234567890123456" in tIV
> >> end openStack
> >>
> >> on encryptMSG
> >>   put Field "In" into tData
> >>   encrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt
> and
> >> IV tIV
> >>   put it into tDisplay
> >>   delete char 1 to 16 of tDisplay
> >>   put tDisplay into Field "Out"
> >> end encryptMSG
> >>
> >> on decryptMSG
> >>   put Field "In" into tData
> >>   decrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt
> and
> >> IV tIV
> >>   put it into Field "Out"
> >> end decryptMSG
> >>
> >> When I copy the encrypted text from the OS X standalone into a text
> editor
> >> (or even Mail), it displays differently (hence my suspicion that this
> is an
> >> encoding issue.
> >>
> >> I appreciate any suggestions as to where I am going wrong.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Peter
> >> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Feb 19 22:05:49 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:05:49 -0500
Subject: [OT] Paul Elio could change the world of transportation
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPfVE=8HV7_H_6XSryQMSURe7aZqJTMsuZ8t6GNZeid+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAT6EXPfVE=8HV7_H_6XSryQMSURe7aZqJTMsuZ8t6GNZeid+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDA85078-8B02-49E4-8CF9-821B2E966A0A@verizon.net>

Looks fancy. I ride one of these to work every day:

http://www.electricvehiclesnw.com/fbw/images/brompton/dec-08/S2L-X.jpg

Not an electric version, which the URL may imply.


On Feb 19, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:

> 
> >Check out the new American Revolution:
> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/02/prweb11598242.htm



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Feb 19 22:34:52 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:34:52 -0500
Subject: [OT] Paul Elio could change the world of transportation
In-Reply-To: <FDA85078-8B02-49E4-8CF9-821B2E966A0A@verizon.net>
References: <CAAT6EXPfVE=8HV7_H_6XSryQMSURe7aZqJTMsuZ8t6GNZeid+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FDA85078-8B02-49E4-8CF9-821B2E966A0A@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXPvM6r=JYtj4iCs3-FVrNMpnsbUhffnT5_PBLzPBA+-Nw@mail.gmail.com>

Colin,

I couldn't open the url, but I believe I determine by googling that it is a
folding bike.   Is that correct?  Looks cool, but I need to keep the
weather outside of the vehicle.

~Roger
On Feb 19, 2014 10:06 PM, "Colin Holgate" <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Looks fancy. I ride one of these to work every day:
>
> http://www.electricvehiclesnw.com/fbw/images/brompton/dec-08/S2L-X.jpg
>
> Not an electric version, which the URL may imply.
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > >Check out the new American Revolution:
> > http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/02/prweb11598242.htm
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From coiin at verizon.net  Wed Feb 19 22:37:45 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:37:45 -0500
Subject: [OT] Paul Elio could change the world of transportation
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXPvM6r=JYtj4iCs3-FVrNMpnsbUhffnT5_PBLzPBA+-Nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAT6EXPfVE=8HV7_H_6XSryQMSURe7aZqJTMsuZ8t6GNZeid+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FDA85078-8B02-49E4-8CF9-821B2E966A0A@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXPvM6r=JYtj4iCs3-FVrNMpnsbUhffnT5_PBLzPBA+-Nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6EB8DCA-4006-4776-A0BA-72FF3898DA5A@verizon.net>

Strange, the link opens even in the reply that you gave.

Yes, I ride a Brompton foldable bike. I get about 10 miles a day of exercise, and save over $1000 per year in subway fares.





From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 22:40:19 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:40:19 +0800
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXOVfoekf=BWu7uUpN=8MskXTvufHgzCHkkRZBebd08qPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPDEXWfzbRjoDcph6i4Ti8MBGQ9H=B0=LnVxpqOJ_2WJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<C289594C-F249-44B7-AC51-A4FC89B2095D@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXOVfoekf=BWu7uUpN=8MskXTvufHgzCHkkRZBebd08qPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5FE352B3-D287-41F4-AD83-4CBCEB21C982@gmail.com>

Hi Roger

On 20 Feb 2014, at 10:42, Roger Eller wrote:

> I had that problem when  testing 6.6 DP1 encryption on Android.  For my
> situation, it was the platform specific ssl & encryption checbox.

I can't see any platform specific lib checkboxes for OS X.

> Which  version are you using?

LiveCode 6.5.2; OS X 10.7.5

Regards

Peter



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Feb 19 22:45:20 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:45:20 -0500
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <5FE352B3-D287-41F4-AD83-4CBCEB21C982@gmail.com>
References: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPDEXWfzbRjoDcph6i4Ti8MBGQ9H=B0=LnVxpqOJ_2WJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<C289594C-F249-44B7-AC51-A4FC89B2095D@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXOVfoekf=BWu7uUpN=8MskXTvufHgzCHkkRZBebd08qPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5FE352B3-D287-41F4-AD83-4CBCEB21C982@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXP6bz9Z=KpO+jpWGaH-4t646U7mnQZ_h=djxCahKzQJuA@mail.gmail.com>

Right.  My tests were on Android, where the new encryption external must be
checked.  And again, that is in 6.6 DP1.

So, I don't know what to suggest.  May be a  bug.

~Roger
On Feb 19, 2014 10:40 PM, "Peter W A Wood" <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Roger
>
> On 20 Feb 2014, at 10:42, Roger Eller wrote:
>
> > I had that problem when  testing 6.6 DP1 encryption on Android.  For my
> > situation, it was the platform specific ssl & encryption checbox.
>
> I can't see any platform specific lib checkboxes for OS X.
>
> > Which  version are you using?
>
> LiveCode 6.5.2; OS X 10.7.5
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 19 23:58:07 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 22:58:07 -0600
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXOVfoekf=BWu7uUpN=8MskXTvufHgzCHkkRZBebd08qPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXPDEXWfzbRjoDcph6i4Ti8MBGQ9H=B0=LnVxpqOJ_2WJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<C289594C-F249-44B7-AC51-A4FC89B2095D@gmail.com>
	<CAAT6EXOVfoekf=BWu7uUpN=8MskXTvufHgzCHkkRZBebd08qPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cef2bd65-243e-4f39-bda2-669fffcba771@email.android.com>

On February 19, 2014 8:42:18 PM CST, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com> wrote:
>I had that problem when  testing 6.6 DP1 encryption on Android.  For my
>situation, it was the platform specific ssl & encryption checbox.

I've been waiting for encryption on Android for a very long time.  Does this mean I can't encrypt on my Mac and decrypt on my Android tablet? 
-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 20 00:45:58 2014
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:45:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1392875158.2851.YahooMailBasic@web141104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Peter,

Fields are meant for the display of text, not binary data.
You could 'base64encode' the binary data before you display it.

Oh, and when treating binary data, you should the 'byte' chunk instead of the 'char' chunk.
That way when LiveCode goes all-in Unicode, your script will continuye to work.

HTH,

Jan Schenkel

=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/19/14, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
 To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
 Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 6:19 PM
 
 I've written a very simple stack to
 encrypt or decrypt some text. There are two fields (In and
 Out) and two buttons (Encrypt and Decrypt). When I encrypt
 test in the IDE and then paste the encrypted text from the
 Out field to the In field and then decrypt it, I get the
 back the original text. But not in an OS X Standalone. From
 a few experiments, I suspect that the issue is related to
 displaying the encrypted text, probably an encoding issue.
 
 I'm using LiveCode 6.5.2 under OS X 10.7.5
 
 Here is my script:
 
 local tData
 local tDisplay
 local tPassword
 local tSalt
 local tIV
 
 on openStack
 ???put the sha1Digest of "My Old Password"
 into tPassword
 ???put "12345678" into tSalt
 ???put "1234567890123456" in tIV
 end openStack
 
 on encryptMSG
 ???put Field "In" into tData
 ???encrypt tData using "aes256" with password
 tPassword and salt tSalt and IV tIV
 ???put it into tDisplay
 ???delete char 1 to 16 of tDisplay
 ???put tDisplay into Field "Out"
 end encryptMSG
 
 on decryptMSG
 ???put Field "In" into tData
 ???decrypt tData using "aes256" with password
 tPassword and salt tSalt and IV tIV
 ???put it into Field "Out"
 end decryptMSG
 
 When I copy the encrypted text from the OS X standalone into
 a text editor (or even Mail), it displays differently (hence
 my suspicion that this is an encoding issue.
 
 I appreciate any suggestions as to where I am going wrong.
 
 Thanks
 
 Peter 
 http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
 
 _______________________________________________
 use-livecode mailing list
 use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
 Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
 your subscription preferences:
 http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
 



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 20 00:50:53 2014
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 21:50:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <cef2bd65-243e-4f39-bda2-669fffcba771@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <1392875453.36492.YahooMailBasic@web141102.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Jacque,

As long as the same encryption algorithm is available on both sides, it should just work.
Though to avoid encoding issues when crossing platforms/architectures, it might be best to base64encode your encrypted data before sending it over the wire.

Jan Schenkel.

=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/19/14, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
 To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
 Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 8:58 PM
 
 On February 19, 2014 8:42:18 PM CST,
 Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
 wrote:
 >I had that problem when? testing 6.6 DP1 encryption
 on Android.? For my
 >situation, it was the platform specific ssl &
 encryption checbox.
 
 I've been waiting for encryption on Android for a very long
 time.? Does this mean I can't encrypt on my Mac and
 decrypt on my Android tablet? 
 -- 
 Jacqueline Landman Gay? ? ?
 ???|? ???jacque at hyperactivesw.com
 HyperActive Software? ? ? ?
 ???|? ???http://www.hyperactivesw.com
 
 _______________________________________________
 use-livecode mailing list
 use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
 Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
 your subscription preferences:
 http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
 



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 00:54:55 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:54:55 +0800
Subject: SQLite revOpenDatabase() and Relative File Paths
Message-ID: <CA+uh5ki8ViCnLpmHYrvwK=KovWToZEJytoNqMLEbaFb7hxo7LA@mail.gmail.com>

This works

put the defaultFolder & "/Folder Name/mySQLite.db" into tPath
get revOpenDatabase("sqlite",tPath,,,)

But this doesn't

get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","/Folder Name/mySQLite.db",,,)

I thought the point of the defaultFolder was so you didn't have to
continually build full file paths but could use relative file paths when LC
needed a path.

What am I doing wrong?


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 01:57:41 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:57:41 +0800
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <1392875158.2851.YahooMailBasic@web141104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1392875158.2851.YahooMailBasic@web141104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B2FBE00D-E810-4CE9-80EB-516DF5F47EB4@gmail.com>

Many thanks to Jan for the helpful suggestions with which I have improved the code.

Unfortunately, it didn't solve the problem. I have cut down the code so that the encryption uses only a plaintext password, no sha1 hashing, no salt and no initial value. Thanks to Jan's Base64 encoding suggestion, I can see clearly that I get different encrypted values when running in the IDE to running the stack as a standalone.

Here's the cutdown script:

local tData
local tDisplay
local tPassword

on openStack
   put "12345678" into tPassword
end openStack

on encryptMSG
   put Field "In" into tData
   encrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword
   put it into tDisplay
   put the base64Encode of tDisplay into Field "Out"
end encryptMSG

on decryptMSG
   put the base64Decode of Field "In" into tData
   decrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword
   put it into Field "Out"
end decryptMSG

When I encrypt Is this a bug? in the IDE the encrypted value is U2FsdGVkX1+phY3qAHj6kKxYtytOeLA7K/TM+9tfP+Y= but in the standalone it is U2FsdGVkX1/wFDjazwOsvXrEzPHQNcmvBa6nfU2rSJE=

I wonder if it is the standalone settings that I am using as in addition to this difference, as I also cannot copy the contents of Field "Out" to the clipboard using command-C in the standalone. (Though apart from selecting Intel only, I haven't changed any of the default settings).

Regards

Peter
http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com

On 20 Feb 2014, at 13:45, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> 
> Fields are meant for the display of text, not binary data.
> You could 'base64encode' the binary data before you display it.
> 
> Oh, and when treating binary data, you should the 'byte' chunk instead of the 'char' chunk.
> That way when LiveCode goes all-in Unicode, your script will continuye to work.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Jan Schenkel
> 
> =====
> Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
> www.quartam.com
> 
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
> 



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 02:30:05 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 01:30:05 -0600
Subject: [OT] Paul Elio could change the world of transportation
In-Reply-To: <D6EB8DCA-4006-4776-A0BA-72FF3898DA5A@verizon.net>
References: <CAAT6EXPfVE=8HV7_H_6XSryQMSURe7aZqJTMsuZ8t6GNZeid+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FDA85078-8B02-49E4-8CF9-821B2E966A0A@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXPvM6r=JYtj4iCs3-FVrNMpnsbUhffnT5_PBLzPBA+-Nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D6EB8DCA-4006-4776-A0BA-72FF3898DA5A@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrjDHwGevAPqNH6Oht2yXFNfVfw0S36-Qye=ttku=yDQg@mail.gmail.com>

About 2000 mpg (equivalent):
http://evolveskateboardsusa.com/products/street-carbon-series-electric-skateboard

I also often ride my bike to work. My calculation has me at about 3000 mpg
(equivalent) but that's at an average speed of maybe 10-12 mph (my
efficiency drops substantially the faster I go...)

The board, on the other hand, has a top speed of about 23 mph, and can
easily cruise at 15-18 while maintaining the above 2k mpg figure.


On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Strange, the link opens even in the reply that you gave.
>
> Yes, I ride a Brompton foldable bike. I get about 10 miles a day of
> exercise, and save over $1000 per year in subway fares.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bvlahos at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 02:31:49 2014
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 23:31:49 -0800
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
References: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01D0BCDF-6A1A-42EE-AD4A-10A075533F2F@mac.com>

Peter,

I don?t know why it would be different in the IDE vs a standalone but I wouldn?t expect it to work correctly working with fields. There are limitations of what can be in a field.

I wrote the ?Encryption Demo Stack? in RevOnLine that works both compiled and in the IDE. It puts the encrypted content into a custom property to avoid the problem you describe. You could take a look at it to see how it might be different from your stack.

I just tested it with LC 6.5.2 under 10.9.1 but it was written a long time ago so it should work fine in 10.7.

Bill Vlahos
_________________
InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.
lcTaskList: (http://www.infowallet.com/lctasklist/index.htm)
RunRev lcTaskList Forum: (http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=61)

On Feb 19, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've written a very simple stack to encrypt or decrypt some text. There are two fields (In and Out) and two buttons (Encrypt and Decrypt). When I encrypt test in the IDE and then paste the encrypted text from the Out field to the In field and then decrypt it, I get the back the original text. But not in an OS X Standalone. From a few experiments, I suspect that the issue is related to displaying the encrypted text, probably an encoding issue.
> 
> I'm using LiveCode 6.5.2 under OS X 10.7.5
> 
> Here is my script:
> 
> local tData
> local tDisplay
> local tPassword
> local tSalt
> local tIV
> 
> on openStack
>   put the sha1Digest of "My Old Password" into tPassword
>   put "12345678" into tSalt
>   put "1234567890123456" in tIV
> end openStack
> 
> on encryptMSG
>   put Field "In" into tData
>   encrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt and IV tIV
>   put it into tDisplay
>   delete char 1 to 16 of tDisplay
>   put tDisplay into Field "Out"
> end encryptMSG
> 
> on decryptMSG
>   put Field "In" into tData
>   decrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt and IV tIV
>   put it into Field "Out"
> end decryptMSG
> 
> When I copy the encrypted text from the OS X standalone into a text editor (or even Mail), it displays differently (hence my suspicion that this is an encoding issue.
> 
> I appreciate any suggestions as to where I am going wrong.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Peter 
> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From th.douez at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 02:56:57 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 08:56:57 +0100
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
In-Reply-To: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO52o4C=HM-FGx7YAdKA4fMBSvQgAMb5X_ntGadwu+GG0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hallo Bernd,


>         set the textStyle["bold"] of field 1 to true
>
> I tried it and it turned out to be a lot faster than
>
> set the textStyle of word x of line y of field z to "bold"
>

and what about

    set the textStyle["bold"] of field 1 to true

against

    set the textStyle of field 1 to "bold"

??

Bis bald,

Thierry


------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 20 03:52:12 2014
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 00:52:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: SQLite revOpenDatabase() and Relative File Paths
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5ki8ViCnLpmHYrvwK=KovWToZEJytoNqMLEbaFb7hxo7LA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1392886332.74595.YahooMailBasic@web141101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Kay,

Untested, but does it work if you put a period before the relative path?
   get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","./Folder Name/mySQLite.db",,,)
Otherwise the operating system may think you're trying to open a dataabse on a volume called 'Folder Name'

HTH,

Jan Schenkel.

=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode
www.quartam.com

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/19/14, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: SQLite revOpenDatabase() and Relative File Paths
 To: "How to use LiveCode" <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
 Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 9:54 PM
 
 This works
 
 put the defaultFolder & "/Folder Name/mySQLite.db" into
 tPath
 get revOpenDatabase("sqlite",tPath,,,)
 
 But this doesn't
 
 get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","/Folder Name/mySQLite.db",,,)
 
 I thought the point of the defaultFolder was so you didn't
 have to
 continually build full file paths but could use relative
 file paths when LC
 needed a path.
 
 What am I doing wrong?
 _______________________________________________
 use-livecode mailing list
 use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
 Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
 your subscription preferences:
 http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
 



From peterwawood at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 03:59:04 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:59:04 +0800
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <01D0BCDF-6A1A-42EE-AD4A-10A075533F2F@mac.com>
References: <B2782745-10FF-4274-8FBF-7E8D7F17E2E8@gmail.com>
	<01D0BCDF-6A1A-42EE-AD4A-10A075533F2F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <53B7C346-0A59-486B-8838-BED085FF977D@gmail.com>

Bill

Thanks, I took a look at your Encryption Demo Stack which works correctly both in the IDE and as a standalone. It does look as though the problem that I'm hitting is due to the limitations of a field and not the encryption functions. I will continue to investigate.

Regards

Peter


On 20 Feb 2014, at 15:31, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> Peter,
> 
> I don?t know why it would be different in the IDE vs a standalone but I wouldn?t expect it to work correctly working with fields. There are limitations of what can be in a field.
> 
> I wrote the ?Encryption Demo Stack? in RevOnLine that works both compiled and in the IDE. It puts the encrypted content into a custom property to avoid the problem you describe. You could take a look at it to see how it might be different from your stack.
> 
> I just tested it with LC 6.5.2 under 10.9.1 but it was written a long time ago so it should work fine in 10.7.
> 
> Bill Vlahos
> _________________
> InfoWallet (http://www.infowallet.com) is about keeping your important life information with you, accessible, and secure.
> lcTaskList: (http://www.infowallet.com/lctasklist/index.htm)
> RunRev lcTaskList Forum: (http://forums.runrev.com/viewforum.php?f=61)
> 
> On Feb 19, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I've written a very simple stack to encrypt or decrypt some text. There are two fields (In and Out) and two buttons (Encrypt and Decrypt). When I encrypt test in the IDE and then paste the encrypted text from the Out field to the In field and then decrypt it, I get the back the original text. But not in an OS X Standalone. From a few experiments, I suspect that the issue is related to displaying the encrypted text, probably an encoding issue.
>> 
>> I'm using LiveCode 6.5.2 under OS X 10.7.5
>> 
>> Here is my script:
>> 
>> local tData
>> local tDisplay
>> local tPassword
>> local tSalt
>> local tIV
>> 
>> on openStack
>>  put the sha1Digest of "My Old Password" into tPassword
>>  put "12345678" into tSalt
>>  put "1234567890123456" in tIV
>> end openStack
>> 
>> on encryptMSG
>>  put Field "In" into tData
>>  encrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt and IV tIV
>>  put it into tDisplay
>>  delete char 1 to 16 of tDisplay
>>  put tDisplay into Field "Out"
>> end encryptMSG
>> 
>> on decryptMSG
>>  put Field "In" into tData
>>  decrypt tData using "aes256" with password tPassword and salt tSalt and IV tIV
>>  put it into Field "Out"
>> end decryptMSG
>> 
>> When I copy the encrypted text from the OS X standalone into a text editor (or even Mail), it displays differently (hence my suspicion that this is an encoding issue.
>> 
>> I appreciate any suggestions as to where I am going wrong.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Peter 
>> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Feb 20 04:00:56 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 01:00:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO52o4C=HM-FGx7YAdKA4fMBSvQgAMb5X_ntGadwu+GG0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAO8ucO52o4C=HM-FGx7YAdKA4fMBSvQgAMb5X_ntGadwu+GG0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1392886856307-4676140.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hallo Thierry,

it is about the same:
1200 milliseconds on a text of 1000 lines and about 2.000.000 chars.

the point is that using "set the textStyle["bold"]" on chunks is a lot
faster, on top it preserves preexisting textStyles of the chunk whereas "set
the textStyle of chunk to "bold"" is slower and wipes preexisting
textStyles.

Although I noticed "set the textStyle["plain"]" or "set the
textStyle["empty"]" throws an error. I think it should be allowed.

? bient?t

Bernd

Thierry Douez wrote
> Hallo Bernd,
> and what about
>     set the textStyle["bold"] of field 1 to true
> against
>     set the textStyle of field 1 to "bold"
> ??





--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/set-the-textStyle-box-of-word-x-of-line-y-to-true-is-very-fast-tp4676113p4676140.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From th.douez at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 04:41:02 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:41:02 +0100
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
In-Reply-To: <1392886856307-4676140.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAO8ucO52o4C=HM-FGx7YAdKA4fMBSvQgAMb5X_ntGadwu+GG0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1392886856307-4676140.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO5xdPDzZbs1Rkn9KzN2d+Q0opE_eAhZcH0aNoYi5MjqDg@mail.gmail.com>

2014-02-20 10:00 GMT+01:00 BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de>:
> Hallo Thierry,
>
> it is about the same:
> 1200 milliseconds on a text of 1000 lines and about 2.000.000 chars.
>
> the point is that using "set the textStyle["bold"]" on chunks is a lot
> faster, on top it preserves preexisting textStyles of the chunk whereas "set
> the textStyle of chunk to "bold"" is slower and wipes preexisting
> textStyles.

Thanks. Will try to remember this one..

Regards,

Thierry


> Although I noticed "set the textStyle["plain"]" or "set the
> textStyle["empty"]" throws an error. I think it should be allowed.
>
> ? bient?t
>
> Bernd
>
> Thierry Douez wrote
>> Hallo Bernd,
>> and what about
>>     set the textStyle["bold"] of field 1 to true
>> against
>>     set the textStyle of field 1 to "bold"




------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 05:41:29 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
In-Reply-To: <1392886856307-4676140.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAO8ucO52o4C=HM-FGx7YAdKA4fMBSvQgAMb5X_ntGadwu+GG0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1392886856307-4676140.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5305DBD9.5020706@gmail.com>

On 20/02/14 11:00, BNig wrote:
> Hallo Thierry,
>
> it is about the same:
> 1200 milliseconds on a text of 1000 lines and about 2.000.000 chars.
>
> the point is that using "set the textStyle["bold"]" on chunks is a lot
> faster, on top it preserves preexisting textStyles of the chunk whereas "set
> the textStyle of chunk to "bold"" is slower and wipes preexisting
> textStyles.
>
> Although I noticed "set the textStyle["plain"]" or "set the
> textStyle["empty"]" throws an error. I think it should be allowed.

That would be logical and consistent.

Richmond.

>
> ? bient?t
>
> Bernd
>
> Thierry Douez wrote
>> Hallo Bernd,
>> and what about
>>      set the textStyle["bold"] of field 1 to true
>> against
>>      set the textStyle of field 1 to "bold"
>> ??
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/set-the-textStyle-box-of-word-x-of-line-y-to-true-is-very-fast-tp4676113p4676140.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bvg at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 07:08:38 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:08:38 +0100
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOdhZWqU1SG9z2s-j-YeUj_YEb1wuChCPTsi6zYNFtRTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
	<9D992413-EEC4-440F-BF1A-A184ACB6B945@mac.com>
	<CAHg3tG8kpE-gQyztFmWnP5seBt1ub82b6JHFDT5D6-MGRoHcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNM_=jQ15kXhVG=dksxwXUBsLq3WTsKvTSMfMt89vY65g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG8ZmYMJkU5nC=mBNtWBjuKNZmHF8whzgghV0m20O0yU=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMW+NHTs7BOwDMCvh_QNS0A6QEtJEEPaCkBeO24K+1TCA@mail.gmail.com>
	<46298049008.20140216094008@ahsoftware.net>
	<CAGDT7eOdhZWqU1SG9z2s-j-YeUj_YEb1wuChCPTsi6zYNFtRTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F883C86B-21E2-4171-8248-827C3ED712B1@mac.com>


On 16.02.2014, at 22:13, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

>  Seems like it's really meant to detect the
> infamous "this should never happen" situation rather than expected errors.,

Alright, if that is the case, why isn't it done in the engine WITHOUT adding another command? why do WE need to add random commands to our code? Wouldn't some message or global property that changes the behaviour of bug-detection that the engine already has to do anyway be better? In fact, it is my impression THAT ALREADY EXISTS!

Maybe I still don't understand the way this command works, but I guess this is what it should be doing as far as I see from the discussion:

1. The developer doesn't know wether the code he's writing works or not (due to whatever reason)
2. He has to anticipate that, and put asserts all over his script in semi random places, inflating the codesize and reducing readability
3. He handles the assertMessage message and produces error handling code there.

Now compare this to what already is possible:

1. An unexpected error occurs (like: 1 + "text")
2. use the errorDialog message to handle it, and produce error handling code there

I really don't see how the assert command is improving anything, but as I said, I don't understand what it does. So what is possible with assert that isn't already done better with existing capabilities, and if that's the case, why is the assert command a better addition then modifying the existing capabilities.

For reference here's what i found in regards to handling unexpected bugs like 1 + "text":

errorDialog message
executionContexts property
scriptExecutionError message
lockErrorDialogs property (not sure what this is supposed to do, isn't the error dialog IDE-specific? Also the documentation is wrong or weirdly worded about errorDialog messages not being sent when it's false)

other:

errorMode property (only server)
scriptParsingError message (probably wrong kind of error?)
stdErr

-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Thu Feb 20 08:02:19 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 08:02:19 -0500
Subject: [OT] Paul Elio could change the world of transportation
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrjDHwGevAPqNH6Oht2yXFNfVfw0S36-Qye=ttku=yDQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAT6EXPfVE=8HV7_H_6XSryQMSURe7aZqJTMsuZ8t6GNZeid+w@mail.gmail.com>
	<FDA85078-8B02-49E4-8CF9-821B2E966A0A@verizon.net>
	<CAAT6EXPvM6r=JYtj4iCs3-FVrNMpnsbUhffnT5_PBLzPBA+-Nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D6EB8DCA-4006-4776-A0BA-72FF3898DA5A@verizon.net>
	<CAKCLKtrjDHwGevAPqNH6Oht2yXFNfVfw0S36-Qye=ttku=yDQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNsNLKU3otEPXk4QO1B8EXdN8LH_+fEU-+=HOySzMvRiA@mail.gmail.com>

An electric skateboard.  What will these young hipsters dream up next?  ;-)

If my work was closer to home, I might choose a bike or at least something
human powered.  I do see the health benefits of exercise, but I am a
fragile human that doesn't handle extreme cold / heat / rain scenarios well.

So I chose Elio for a few reasons beyond economics.  1) Paul Elio has held
true to his dream, which began in 2008.  I have to respect the personal
drive he has to make it a reality.  2) The risk is low, as the Elio
contains no new technology.  Existing auto parts, wheels, brakes, etc. are
used, so it can be repaired anywhere.  3) He is creating jobs.  The new
production facility will employ 1,500 workers.  4) All of the partners /
suppliers are established and respected leaders in industry.  5) OK, I'll
admit that the price plus fuel savings is an enticing combo.  $6800 w/ 3
year warranty.  I paid more than that for a pre-owned vehicle with no
warranty.

So as off-topic thread so go, the aerodynamic shape is much like a, (should
I say it?), a slice of cheese.  :oD

~Roger
On Feb 20, 2014 2:31 AM, "Geoff Canyon" <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> About 2000 mpg (equivalent):
>
> http://evolveskateboardsusa.com/products/street-carbon-series-electric-skateboard
>
> I also often ride my bike to work. My calculation has me at about 3000 mpg
> (equivalent) but that's at an average speed of maybe 10-12 mph (my
> efficiency drops substantially the faster I go...)
>
> The board, on the other hand, has a top speed of about 23 mph, and can
> easily cruise at 15-18 while maintaining the above 2k mpg figure.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Strange, the link opens even in the reply that you gave.
> >
> > Yes, I ride a Brompton foldable bike. I get about 10 miles a day of
> > exercise, and save over $1000 per year in subway fares.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Feb 20 10:34:57 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:34:57 +0000
Subject: SQLite revOpenDatabase() and Relative File Paths
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5ki8ViCnLpmHYrvwK=KovWToZEJytoNqMLEbaFb7hxo7LA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5ki8ViCnLpmHYrvwK=KovWToZEJytoNqMLEbaFb7hxo7LA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78D18E6B-5C77-4B09-A2CF-F800D97F68E2@byu.edu>


On Feb 19, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> This works
> 
> put the defaultFolder & "/Folder Name/mySQLite.db" into tPath
> get revOpenDatabase("sqlite",tPath,,,)
> 
> But this doesn't
> 
> get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","/Folder Name/mySQLite.db",,,)
> 
> I thought the point of the defaultFolder was so you didn't have to
> continually build full file paths but could use relative file paths when LC
> needed a path.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?

Kay,

You don't need the leading "/" in the relative file path. With the defaultFolder set to the parent folder of Folder Name, you simply use "Folder Name/mySQLite.db" as the path.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 20 10:37:00 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:37:00 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <F883C86B-21E2-4171-8248-827C3ED712B1@mac.com>
References: <F883C86B-21E2-4171-8248-827C3ED712B1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5306211C.7000100@fourthworld.com>

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

 > On 16.02.2014, at 22:13, Peter Haworth wrote:
 >
 >>  Seems like it's really meant to detect the
 >> infamous "this should never happen" situation rather than expected
 >> errors.,
 >
 > Alright, if that is the case, why isn't it done in the engine WITHOUT
 > adding another command? why do WE need to add random commands to our
 > code? Wouldn't some message or global property that changes the
 > behaviour of bug-detection that the engine already has to do anyway
 > be better? In fact, it is my impression THAT ALREADY EXISTS!

Before assert was added we had two general ways to check for runtime 
errors:  "the result" is sometimes used for reporting errors, and the 
errorDialog message is sometimes sent for others (though the "sometimes" 
aspect makes me uneasy, but that's another topic).

The key point there is that both only catch things the engine considers 
errors.

Assert compliments those by providing for things which may be 
syntactically correct and completely executable, yet are errors within 
the context of the business logic of your app.

That they can also be used for logging execution errors is merely a nice 
extra, providing one-stop shopping for all types of logging and 
execution monitoring needs.

Sure, we could write our own handler for some of that functionality, but 
managing param evaluation would be a bit more finicky and it would have 
to parse the executionContexts to provide similar info - having this 
built-in is very convenient.

Many languages support assert, so while it may not be absolutely 
essential it's a good nice-to-have that raises the level of 
professionalism in LC.

If you're happy working without asserts they're easy to avoid by just 
never writing them. :)  But I suspect that, like nested behaviors which 
were questioned here earlier, while the value of the functionality may 
not be self-evident at first, further exploration will yield new 
scripting habits that make strong use of them.

In fact, my first reaction was pretty much the same as yours, but I know 
Mark Waddingham isn't normally one to waste his time on fluff.  So I 
spent a little time reading up on how asserts are used in other 
languages, and that turned me around.



All that said, there appears to be one omission from the current 
implementation:

To use assert well we'd want to use it liberally throughout our code, 
but of course that means adding additional overhead to execution.

Most languages that support assert also provide a global means of 
turning it off.  Some C++ compilers won't even compile assert statements 
when the flag is off.

For example, you may want asserts to be evaluated during testing, but 
not in the final product.

To bring this new feature to completion I just added a request for a 
global property to turn it off:

AllowAssert global property
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11833>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From bvg at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 11:51:27 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 17:51:27 +0100
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <5306211C.7000100@fourthworld.com>
References: <F883C86B-21E2-4171-8248-827C3ED712B1@mac.com>
	<5306211C.7000100@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <666FA9BD-A265-42B6-AA76-D258E550DF90@mac.com>


On 20.02.2014, at 16:37, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> The key point there is that both only catch things the engine considers errors.
> 
> Assert compliments those by providing for things which may be syntactically correct and completely executable, yet are errors within the context of the business logic of your app.


I'm not a smart man, and can't imagine any such error ever happening in a program. Can you give a simple example where you'd use assert to catch that kind of error?

-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Thu Feb 20 11:55:06 2014
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:55:06 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <666FA9BD-A265-42B6-AA76-D258E550DF90@mac.com>
References: <F883C86B-21E2-4171-8248-827C3ED712B1@mac.com>	<5306211C.7000100@fourthworld.com>
	<666FA9BD-A265-42B6-AA76-D258E550DF90@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004701cf2e5c$81ceb3f0$856c1bd0$@net>

Divide by zero?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Bj?rnke von Gierke
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:51 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1


On 20.02.2014, at 16:37, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> The key point there is that both only catch things the engine considers
errors.
> 
> Assert compliments those by providing for things which may be
syntactically correct and completely executable, yet are errors within the
context of the business logic of your app.


I'm not a smart man, and can't imagine any such error ever happening in a
program. Can you give a simple example where you'd use assert to catch that
kind of error?

-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/



_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From andrew at ctech.me  Thu Feb 20 11:56:01 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:56:01 -0600
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <666FA9BD-A265-42B6-AA76-D258E550DF90@mac.com>
References: <F883C86B-21E2-4171-8248-827C3ED712B1@mac.com>
	<5306211C.7000100@fourthworld.com>
	<666FA9BD-A265-42B6-AA76-D258E550DF90@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft-Abk84aUEKjj9qr0NASu6C2kvpBc+rMxwz0N2L=xj1og@mail.gmail.com>

I think a nice example stack (perhaps even closer to a final release) put
onto revOnline would help everyone. I'd love to know more about this
upcoming feature.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

>
> On 20.02.2014, at 16:37, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The key point there is that both only catch things the engine considers
> errors.
> >
> > Assert compliments those by providing for things which may be
> syntactically correct and completely executable, yet are errors within the
> context of the business logic of your app.
>
>
> I'm not a smart man, and can't imagine any such error ever happening in a
> program. Can you give a simple example where you'd use assert to catch that
> kind of error?
>
> --
>
> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 20 12:48:31 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:48:31 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <666FA9BD-A265-42B6-AA76-D258E550DF90@mac.com>
References: <666FA9BD-A265-42B6-AA76-D258E550DF90@mac.com>
Message-ID: <53063FEF.1070406@fourthworld.com>

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

 > On 20.02.2014, at 16:37, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> The key point there is that both only catch things the engine
 >> considers errors.
 >>
 >> Assert compliments those by providing for things which may be
 >> syntactically correct and completely executable, yet are errors
 >> within the context of the business logic of your app.
 >
 >
 > I'm not a smart man, and can't imagine any such error ever happening 
in a program. Can you give a simple example where you'd use assert to 
catch that kind of error?

As Trevor noted a few days ago:

     I believe it was added in order to aid with adding test coverage
     to LiveCode. At least I seem to recall reading something about
     that in some commit notes on GitHub.

So in that spirit of building test harnesses, let's assume you're 
testing your app with a known set of data and expecting known results 
for what the app does with that data.

You may have two entry fields named "FirstName" and "LastName", and a 
third named "DisplayName" which concatenates both.

An assert statement that ensures the first and last name fields have 
been populated correctly and that the concatenation is correct might be:

    put MyFancyConcatenationAlgo(fld "FirstName", field "LastName) \
       into fld "DisplayName"
    assert fld "DisplayName" = "Richard Gaskin"

If the "DisplayName" field contains any other value, chances are the 
engine will never know the difference.

But for the data set you're testing with "Richard Gaskin" is the only 
acceptable value, so the assert will fail, triggering an assertError 
message:

   assertError handlerName, line, column, objectLongId

...and with that info you can know exactly where the erroneous value 
occurred so you can explore ways to correct it.

True, these wouldn't be too hard to check by other means, but once we 
also get the ability to turn off assert evaluations globally as most 
other implementations have, we have a very powerful opportunity for much 
deeper automated quality control.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From dochawk at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 13:07:34 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:07:34 -0800
Subject: SQLite revOpenDatabase() and Relative File Paths
In-Reply-To: <78D18E6B-5C77-4B09-A2CF-F800D97F68E2@byu.edu>
References: <CA+uh5ki8ViCnLpmHYrvwK=KovWToZEJytoNqMLEbaFb7hxo7LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<78D18E6B-5C77-4B09-A2CF-F800D97F68E2@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFkL3bKyDiDeDv4BaaOxim1pvn7dfkbbeXREmbugfpaFw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>

> > get revOpenDatabase("sqlite","/Folder Name/mySQLite.db",,,)
>
>  You don't need the leading "/" in the relative file path. With the
> defaultFolder set to the parent folder of Folder Name, you simply use
> "Folder Name/mySQLite.db" as the path.
>

It's more than "don't need."  You *must not* do that if you want a relative
path.  The leading /  tells it to go the the root of the file system.
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 20 13:20:50 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 10:20:50 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <666FA9BD-A265-42B6-AA76-D258E550DF90@mac.com>
References: <F883C86B-21E2-4171-8248-827C3ED712B1@mac.com>
	<5306211C.7000100@fourthworld.com>
	<666FA9BD-A265-42B6-AA76-D258E550DF90@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePFi61L_oBTu82=u4ca6qUTgMi4FzKk=vwYJ6gkQHm+rQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bjornke,
Like you, I'm still skeptical about how useful this really is. I'm sensing
that LC coders who also work with other more traditional programming
languages will be more comfortable with assert.

To answer your question though, one example might be a parameter to a
function which is always expected to be one of a known series of values but
during testing, it inadvertently gets called with a value that is not one
of the known ones, maybe because of a typo.  Depending on the logic of the
function, that may result in a runtime error or it may result in the
function not returning a correct value.  An assert statement could check
that the parameter has an expected value and raise an error if not.  That
might be particularly important in library handlers that are called from a
user's code rather than from within your own code.

You don't have to use assert to handle that situation of course, in fact I
doubt there's any use of assert that can't be handled with some other
programming construct.  Bottom line is you don't have to use assert if you
don't like it, but it does raise the question of why time was spent
implementing it rather than any of the other promised features on the list.



Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

>
> On 20.02.2014, at 16:37, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The key point there is that both only catch things the engine considers
> errors.
> >
> > Assert compliments those by providing for things which may be
> syntactically correct and completely executable, yet are errors within the
> context of the business logic of your app.
>
>
> I'm not a smart man, and can't imagine any such error ever happening in a
> program. Can you give a simple example where you'd use assert to catch that
> kind of error?
>
> --
>
> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From gwjapp at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 14:07:59 2014
From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabriel Johnson)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:07:59 -0500
Subject: Finding available memory without shell, how to use hasMemory()
Message-ID: <CADJRyz165m1URWedKEwDusCSyAwze7HiwvnkeTgFQGp4O5Xc+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,

I am working on a program where I need to know the amount of available
memory.

I'm running on OS X and hasMemory() appears to return true/false for the
same values regardless changes to free/available memory. Is there some
trick to getting hasMemory() to correspond with the actual available
memory? Is this possibly something that is being addressed in newer
versions of LiveCode?

As a side note, we would prefer to only use external programs/the shell
sparingly. I've used both top and vm_stat and each appeared to have
presented problems (top seemed to have changed in Mountain Lion and vm_stat
seems to occasionally fail for a reason I haven't yet figured out). If the
shell / external process is the only way then I guess we'll work through it.

Gabe


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Feb 20 14:32:04 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:32:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
References: <F883C86B-21E2-4171-8248-827C3ED712B1@mac.com>
	<5306211C.7000100@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20140220T202729-452@post.gmane.org>

> For example, you may want asserts to be evaluated during testing, but 
> not in the final product.
> 
> To bring this new feature to completion I just added a request for a 
> global property to turn it off:
> 
> AllowAssert global property
> <http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11833>

Comment added to bug report.

Richard: if you don't explicitly put in an assertError handler then you get
the effect you're looking for: asserts are essentially ignored. There's a
slight (and probably mostly not noticeable) performance hit on the assert
command evaluating the expression, but that's it.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 20 15:06:09 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 12:06:09 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140220T202729-452@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140220T202729-452@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <53066031.4020403@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

 >> To bring this new feature to completion I just added a request for a
 >> global property to turn it off:
 >>
 >> AllowAssert global property
 >> <http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11833>
 >
 > Comment added to bug report.
 >
 > Richard: if you don't explicitly put in an assertError handler then
 > you get the effect you're looking for: asserts are essentially
 > ignored. There's a slight (and probably mostly not noticeable)
 > performance hit on the assert command evaluating the expression,
 > but that's it.

Likewise, my comment added there (though going forward I probably won't 
be cross-posting here):

What may be "slight" can't be known with any certainty, since they may 
invoke complex functions or other calls that may be noticeable by 
themselves, or checking things in frequently-called routines.

But we do know that asserts are valuable to the degree that they're 
used, and without a way to have them ignored the degree of use is the 
degree of performance impairment.

Given how many languages that support assert statements also provide a 
means of globally ignoring them, I think this is a reasonable request 
even if the performance impairment were merely measurable.

Indeed, I'd be surprised if many developers accustomed to using assert 
in other languages don't expect to see such a global flag.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 15:09:20 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:09:20 +0200
Subject: Finding available memory without shell, how to use hasMemory()
In-Reply-To: <CADJRyz165m1URWedKEwDusCSyAwze7HiwvnkeTgFQGp4O5Xc+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADJRyz165m1URWedKEwDusCSyAwze7HiwvnkeTgFQGp4O5Xc+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530660F0.1030400@gmail.com>

On 20/02/14 21:07, Gabriel Johnson wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> I am working on a program where I need to know the amount of available
> memory.
>
> I'm running on OS X and hasMemory() appears to return true/false for the
> same values regardless changes to free/available memory. Is there some
> trick to getting hasMemory() to correspond with the actual available
> memory? Is this possibly something that is being addressed in newer
> versions of LiveCode?
>
> As a side note, we would prefer to only use external programs/the shell
> sparingly. I've used both top and vm_stat and each appeared to have
> presented problems (top seemed to have changed in Mountain Lion and vm_stat
> seems to occasionally fail for a reason I haven't yet figured out). If the
> shell / external process is the only way then I guess we'll work through it.
>
> Gabe
> _______________________________________________
>

I would suggest that you read the documentation which states this (LC 6.6):

"This function is only partially implemented, and may not return useful 
values on some platforms. It is included in LiveCode for compatibility 
with imported SuperCard projects.

  Cross-platform note: On Mac OS systems, the value returned depends on 
the amount of free memory in the application heap and does not take 
available temporary memory into account. This means that even if the 
hasMemory function returns false, there may be enough system memory 
available for the task, since LiveCode uses temporary memory when 
necessary."

So, probably, rather a waste of time.

Exploring hasMemory() further I realise it will NOT tell you how much 
free memory you have as you have to provide parameters inside those
brackets. What is (might) do is tell you whether the amount of free 
memory exceeds the amount you specify within those brackets.

-----------------------------------------------

Over her on Linux you can do this in a terminal:

cat /proc/meminfo

which gives you loads of funny numbers: the second of which is 'MemFree'

I don't know whether that works on Mac OS X, but as they share a common 
ancestry (they do, ye know), it might.

------------------------------------------------

What might be useful in LC is something that yields the equivalent of 
MemFree (or its equivalent on Mac and Windows).

Mind you if you are worrying about how much free memory the host 
computer has you must be running some sort of monster thing.

------------------------------------------------

You can also just type 'free' into a Terminal, at which point the 
numbers are a lot less funny insofar as they are better labelled
and easier to understand.

------------------------------------------------

On a marginally tangential note . . .

In another universe where everything is marvellous we might have a 
Livecode which would do all and everything for us
without having to rely on anything external at all (perhaps even bring 
us coffee in bed on Sunday mornings).

But that other universe would feature one type of computer, running one 
operating system; neither of which changed,
and be incredibly, unutterably boring.

We all, on this Use-list and beyond, would like a programming 
environment that "did it all" but that is not possible.

What never ceases to amaze me is just how much Livecode can do; and what 
never ceases to amaze me is how little I know
about Livecode's capabilities after about 13 years with it, and how much 
I learn everytime I try to do something new (however
trivial) with it. [OK, OK, RunRev; contact me off-list for my bank acc. 
number for the fees for that one . . . . . LOL].

Richmond.





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 15:28:25 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:28:25 +0200
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
In-Reply-To: <5305DBD9.5020706@gmail.com>
References: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAO8ucO52o4C=HM-FGx7YAdKA4fMBSvQgAMb5X_ntGadwu+GG0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1392886856307-4676140.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5305DBD9.5020706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53066569.6020002@gmail.com>

On 20/02/14 12:41, Richmond wrote:
> On 20/02/14 11:00, BNig wrote:
>> Hallo Thierry,
>>
>> it is about the same:
>> 1200 milliseconds on a text of 1000 lines and about 2.000.000 chars.
>>
>> the point is that using "set the textStyle["bold"]" on chunks is a lot
>> faster, on top it preserves preexisting textStyles of the chunk 
>> whereas "set
>> the textStyle of chunk to "bold"" is slower and wipes preexisting
>> textStyles.
>>
>> Although I noticed "set the textStyle["plain"]" or "set the
>> textStyle["empty"]" throws an error. I think it should be allowed.
>

Do they?

That's odd, as the documentation has this:

"Value:
The textStyle of an object or chunk is either "plain", empty, "mixed", 
or one or more of the following, separated by commas:
* bold
* italic
* underline
* strikeout
* box
* threeDbox
* link (or group)
* condensed
* expanded

Comments:
Setting the textStyle to "plain" turns off all styles. (Setting the 
textStyle to "plain" plus one or more additional styles may result in 
anomalous behavior.)"

However, having just tested them (LC 6.6) I can confirm that they do 
throw errors.

Bug report time!

Richmond.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 20 15:48:54 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 12:48:54 -0800
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
In-Reply-To: <53066569.6020002@gmail.com>
References: <53066569.6020002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53066A36.2070903@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

 >> Although I noticed "set the textStyle["plain"]" or "set the
 >> textStyle["empty"]" throws an error. I think it should be allowed.
 >
 > That's odd, as the documentation has this:
 >
 > "Value:
 > The textStyle of an object or chunk is either "plain", empty,
 > "mixed", or one or more of the following, separated by commas:
 > * bold
 > * italic
 > * underline
 > * strikeout
 > * box
 > * threeDbox
 > * link (or group)
 > * condensed
 > * expanded
 >
 > Comments:
 > Setting the textStyle to "plain" turns off all styles. (Setting the
 > textStyle to "plain" plus one or more additional styles may result in
 > anomalous behavior.)"
 >
 > However, having just tested them (LC 6.6) I can confirm that they do
 > throw errors.
 >
 > Bug report time!

Maybe not - further on in the Dictionary entry for textStyle it notes:

     Changes: As of version 5.0.2 a new array variant of the textStyle
     property has been added allowing for access to individual
     textStyles independently from the others by specifying the required
     style as an array key.

	the textStyle[<style>]

     Here, style can be one of bold, condensed, expanded, italic,
     oblique, box, threedbox, underline, strikeout, link.


"Plain" isn't included as one of the options when using the array 
syntax, which makes sense because "plain" isn't a specific style per se 
but merely the absence of any other.

I recently made a Style menu with a lot of code using the new array 
syntax, and it was adapted from older code that used the older syntax, 
and neither failed in v6.6.

What is the syntax you find that throws errors?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 20 16:21:24 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 13:21:24 -0800
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
In-Reply-To: <53066569.6020002@gmail.com>
References: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAO8ucO52o4C=HM-FGx7YAdKA4fMBSvQgAMb5X_ntGadwu+GG0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1392886856307-4676140.post@n4.nabble.com> <5305DBD9.5020706@gmail.com>
	<53066569.6020002@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN_=sFRQnsaHFUeKz=vtvR4=UnsTQoLjw7LRq3NakpOPw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think that's an error.  The textstyle array has keys named after
the actual textstyles, but empty and plain are not styles, they're just a
way of saying there is no style to be applied so the textSTyle array has no
keys for them.  Setting the textstyle to empty is the same as setting the
textStyle["bold"] to false along with all the other textstyle keys.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 20/02/14 12:41, Richmond wrote:
>
>> On 20/02/14 11:00, BNig wrote:
>>
>>> Hallo Thierry,
>>>
>>> it is about the same:
>>> 1200 milliseconds on a text of 1000 lines and about 2.000.000 chars.
>>>
>>> the point is that using "set the textStyle["bold"]" on chunks is a lot
>>> faster, on top it preserves preexisting textStyles of the chunk whereas
>>> "set
>>> the textStyle of chunk to "bold"" is slower and wipes preexisting
>>> textStyles.
>>>
>>> Although I noticed "set the textStyle["plain"]" or "set the
>>> textStyle["empty"]" throws an error. I think it should be allowed.
>>>
>>
>>
> Do they?
>
> That's odd, as the documentation has this:
>
> "Value:
> The textStyle of an object or chunk is either "plain", empty, "mixed", or
> one or more of the following, separated by commas:
> * bold
> * italic
> * underline
> * strikeout
> * box
> * threeDbox
> * link (or group)
> * condensed
> * expanded
>
> Comments:
> Setting the textStyle to "plain" turns off all styles. (Setting the
> textStyle to "plain" plus one or more additional styles may result in
> anomalous behavior.)"
>
> However, having just tested them (LC 6.6) I can confirm that they do throw
> errors.
>
> Bug report time!
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Thu Feb 20 17:45:44 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:45:44 +0000
Subject: Web Apps
Message-ID: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>

Hi All,

Not sure if it's okay to ask this here but does anyone have any recommendations for  easy to use Web Apps systems?
I'm currently using a system called "Perfect Forms" and it's doing alright but I am at the limits of what that system can do and struggle to justify $250 for a 1 hour support call so I  am looking for something a little more 'open'.

Does anyone have experience with WaveMaker


COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.



From alex at harryscollar.com  Thu Feb 20 18:56:17 2014
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:56:17 +1000
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <53069621.7010409@harryscollar.com>

Hi Nakia

Depending on what you want to do you could try the following..

Wakanda (http://www.wakanda.org/)
Have only played with version 5 and that was ok but seems to have come a 
long way.

Google Apps Script (http://www.google.com/script/start/)
Did a few web apps with this.. mainly for the trucking/warehousing 
industry but obviously restricted to Google servers and cannot be used 
on a intranet (that I know of) and can sometimes be quite slow when 
generating reports.

Hype (http://tumult.com/hype/)
More for Flash style (fun) web apps

regards
alex

On 21/02/14 8:45 AM, Nakia Brewer wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Not sure if it's okay to ask this here but does anyone have any recommendations for  easy to use Web Apps systems?
> I'm currently using a system called "Perfect Forms" and it's doing alright but I am at the limits of what that system can do and struggle to justify $250 for a 1 hour support call so I  am looking for something a little more 'open'.
>
> Does anyone have experience with WaveMaker
>
>
> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>




From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Feb 20 19:20:57 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:20:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
In-Reply-To: <53066A36.2070903@fourthworld.com>
References: <1392843869413-4676113.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAO8ucO52o4C=HM-FGx7YAdKA4fMBSvQgAMb5X_ntGadwu+GG0Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1392886856307-4676140.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5305DBD9.5020706@gmail.com> <53066569.6020002@gmail.com>
	<53066A36.2070903@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1392942057189-4676162.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi,

although I initially thought that 
>> "set the textStyle["empty"]" throws an error. I think it should be
>> allowed. 

I agree with Richard and Peter.
The array notation is for setting textStyles on top of other textStyles, not
replacing textStyles as the older version does.
So it is for specific textStyles to be set (true) or unset (false) without
changing any other posssble textStyles.
That purpose of the array notation would be defied by "plain" or "false".

I still have to get used to the intricacies of both versions.

Kind regards
Bernd



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/set-the-textStyle-box-of-word-x-of-line-y-to-true-is-very-fast-tp4676113p4676162.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 20:12:22 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:12:22 +0800
Subject: SQLite revOpenDatabase() and Relative File Paths
In-Reply-To: <78D18E6B-5C77-4B09-A2CF-F800D97F68E2@byu.edu>
References: <CA+uh5ki8ViCnLpmHYrvwK=KovWToZEJytoNqMLEbaFb7hxo7LA@mail.gmail.com>
	<78D18E6B-5C77-4B09-A2CF-F800D97F68E2@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khL4Q6uKEOB=HpDJnyVKqnD4CihAv6Tnm-xVNRiYaxQqw@mail.gmail.com>

Devin, Doc,

Thanks, that nailed it.


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> You don't need the leading "/" in the relative file path. With the
> defaultFolder set to the parent folder of Folder Name, you simply use
> "Folder Name/mySQLite.db" as the path.
>
>


From vclement at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 21:02:44 2014
From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 19:02:44 -0700
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nakia

WaveMaker is not even 50% of what LiveCode can offer. I spent about 2
months trying to work wit WM before I found LivCode. Alex has the point at
hand, what are you trying to do? As you can see I am mainly a database
developer, and I've used about every kind of DB app over the last 35 years.
Explain what your trying to do and I will recommend a solution.

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
*http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/
<http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/>*
Skype: vaughn.clement
https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement
FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
LogMeIn also avaialble
Call on "ooVoo" at address:  vaughnclement or 9282549062
Ph. 928-254-9062



On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Nakia Brewer
<Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Not sure if it's okay to ask this here but does anyone have any
> recommendations for  easy to use Web Apps systems?
> I'm currently using a system called "Perfect Forms" and it's doing alright
> but I am at the limits of what that system can do and struggle to justify
> $250 for a 1 hour support call so I  am looking for something a little more
> 'open'.
>
> Does anyone have experience with WaveMaker
>
>
> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may
> contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not
> the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using,
> reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this
> email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message
> in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept
> liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay,
> interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the
> right to monitor all e-mail communications.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Thu Feb 20 21:24:58 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 02:24:58 +0000
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>

Thanks for the replies,

Basically I am now using Perfect Forms to build systems for clients that automate paper processes.
Think of Human Resource systems such as Leave Requests etc.

The Majority of what I do is building approval style systems that allow people to fill in web forms that they then submit to begin a workflow
(moves onto the next level of approval etc etc)

It needs to have the ability for building reporting as well, Perfect Forms offers the ability to build Reports that are linked back into the
Form for reporting purposes. Think Dashboards...

Things I see I need

1. Needs to be we based as clients are not happy installing software (if they were I would be using LiveCode Applications)
2. As I am not familiar with any other language than LiveCode it needs to be simple to use to set up Logic, Conditions, Equations etc
3. Needs to be able to send HTML style emails when workflows move through different stages (with PDF attachments would be great!)
	Noting above, needs to be able to send reminder emails based on certain conditions
4. Support is a big thing as this is Perfect Forms biggest downfall.


I hope this makes sense?






-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Vaughn Clement
Sent: Friday, 21 February 2014 13:03
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Web Apps

Hi Nakia

WaveMaker is not even 50% of what LiveCode can offer. I spent about 2
months trying to work wit WM before I found LivCode. Alex has the point at
hand, what are you trying to do? As you can see I am mainly a database
developer, and I've used about every kind of DB app over the last 35 years.
Explain what your trying to do and I will recommend a solution.

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
*http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/
<http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/>*
Skype: vaughn.clement
https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement
FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
LogMeIn also avaialble
Call on "ooVoo" at address:  vaughnclement or 9282549062
Ph. 928-254-9062



On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Nakia Brewer
<Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Not sure if it's okay to ask this here but does anyone have any
> recommendations for  easy to use Web Apps systems?
> I'm currently using a system called "Perfect Forms" and it's doing alright
> but I am at the limits of what that system can do and struggle to justify
> $250 for a 1 hour support call so I  am looking for something a little more
> 'open'.
>
> Does anyone have experience with WaveMaker
>
>
> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may
> contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not
> the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using,
> reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this
> email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message
> in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept
> liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay,
> interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the
> right to monitor all e-mail communications.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Feb 20 21:35:29 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 03:35:29 +0100
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>	<CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <5306BB71.3090805@economy-x-talk.com>

Nakia,

What I understand from your e-mail is:
- you need to fill out web forms
- you need to send e-mails

What other _technical_ requirements do you have? Automate paper 
processes and begin a workflow aren't really items that belong in a list 
of technical requirements.

So far, you give me the impression that a simple PHP script will do the job.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/21/2014 03:24, Nakia Brewer wrote:
> Thanks for the replies,
>
> Basically I am now using Perfect Forms to build systems for clients that automate paper processes.
> Think of Human Resource systems such as Leave Requests etc.
>
> The Majority of what I do is building approval style systems that allow people to fill in web forms that they then submit to begin a workflow
> (moves onto the next level of approval etc etc)
>
> It needs to have the ability for building reporting as well, Perfect Forms offers the ability to build Reports that are linked back into the
> Form for reporting purposes. Think Dashboards...
>
> Things I see I need
>
> 1. Needs to be we based as clients are not happy installing software (if they were I would be using LiveCode Applications)
> 2. As I am not familiar with any other language than LiveCode it needs to be simple to use to set up Logic, Conditions, Equations etc
> 3. Needs to be able to send HTML style emails when workflows move through different stages (with PDF attachments would be great!)
> 	Noting above, needs to be able to send reminder emails based on certain conditions
> 4. Support is a big thing as this is Perfect Forms biggest downfall.
>
>
> I hope this makes sense?
>
>



From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Thu Feb 20 21:49:19 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 02:49:19 +0000
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <5306BB71.3090805@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<5306BB71.3090805@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE753@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>

Sorry, appears I was a little vague. 
I wasn't attempting to write a list of technical requirements however.

The reason I currently user Perfect Forms is it allows me to easily create a web apps that has a linked workflow associated to it.
Allows me to define conditions and the likes so I know where the emails are to be sent etc based upon values on how the form/s are filled out.

Things such as drag and drop interfaces suit my capability set currently, having no experience with web technologies.

In terms of technical abilities here are some that would be great
- Drag and Drop interface builder
- Programming Syntax that isn't too much more complicated that LiveCode
- Ability to communicate with other web services (REST API) would be great
- Strong Email Notification system including (Reminders, HTML email, Attachments)
- Some sort of report building interface would be great
- Needs to be able to be hosted on a Cloud





-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille
Sent: Friday, 21 February 2014 13:35
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Web Apps

Nakia,

What I understand from your e-mail is:
- you need to fill out web forms
- you need to send e-mails

What other _technical_ requirements do you have? Automate paper 
processes and begin a workflow aren't really items that belong in a list 
of technical requirements.

So far, you give me the impression that a simple PHP script will do the job.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/21/2014 03:24, Nakia Brewer wrote:
> Thanks for the replies,
>
> Basically I am now using Perfect Forms to build systems for clients that automate paper processes.
> Think of Human Resource systems such as Leave Requests etc.
>
> The Majority of what I do is building approval style systems that allow people to fill in web forms that they then submit to begin a workflow
> (moves onto the next level of approval etc etc)
>
> It needs to have the ability for building reporting as well, Perfect Forms offers the ability to build Reports that are linked back into the
> Form for reporting purposes. Think Dashboards...
>
> Things I see I need
>
> 1. Needs to be we based as clients are not happy installing software (if they were I would be using LiveCode Applications)
> 2. As I am not familiar with any other language than LiveCode it needs to be simple to use to set up Logic, Conditions, Equations etc
> 3. Needs to be able to send HTML style emails when workflows move through different stages (with PDF attachments would be great!)
> 	Noting above, needs to be able to send reminder emails based on certain conditions
> 4. Support is a big thing as this is Perfect Forms biggest downfall.
>
>
> I hope this makes sense?
>
>

_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From dochawk at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 00:27:39 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 21:27:39 -0800
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFkf8HxmCxuhSH=J6nd4u6XfEBTpHiusvm81Rv+BZvBXQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> I am experiencing a very strange problem after I save a stack AS.
> Looks like LC remembers the original filename and insist on using it,
> EVEN after I quit and restart LC!?
>

I have seen a semi-reporducible glitch like this on OS/X with firefox and
both gmail and the ECF court filing system.

Under not yet specified conditions, if I open file originalfile in
LibreOffice, save it as newfile, and then export to pdf, and then drag the
new pdf for upload, rather than newfile.pdf, it is actually
originalfile.pdf that attaches.

I haven't fully nailed this down, but have seen it happen when watching
(because it just happened once before) and being certain that I actually
dragged newfile.pdf.

This can be quite embarrassing when practicing law . . .




-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Feb 21 01:32:02 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 00:32:02 -0600
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFkf8HxmCxuhSH=J6nd4u6XfEBTpHiusvm81Rv+BZvBXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>
	<CANQHZSFkf8HxmCxuhSH=J6nd4u6XfEBTpHiusvm81Rv+BZvBXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5306F2E2.9080806@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/20/14, 11:27 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>
>> I am experiencing a very strange problem after I save a stack AS.
>> Looks like LC remembers the original filename and insist on using it,
>> EVEN after I quit and restart LC!?
>>
>
> I have seen a semi-reporducible glitch like this on OS/X with firefox and
> both gmail and the ECF court filing system.
>
> Under not yet specified conditions, if I open file originalfile in
> LibreOffice, save it as newfile, and then export to pdf, and then drag the
> new pdf for upload, rather than newfile.pdf, it is actually
> originalfile.pdf that attaches.
>
> I haven't fully nailed this down, but have seen it happen when watching
> (because it just happened once before) and being certain that I actually
> dragged newfile.pdf.
>
> This can be quite embarrassing when practicing law . . .

My gut tells me, without objective evidence, that this is somehow 
related to Apple's removal of the Save As feature in Mt Lion, the one 
that requires you to make a duplicate before editing. It was partially 
restored in Mavericks but it still feels like it isn't all there.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 02:26:00 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:26:00 +0200
Subject: set the textStyle["box"] of word x of line y to true is very fast
In-Reply-To: <53066A36.2070903@fourthworld.com>
References: <53066569.6020002@gmail.com> <53066A36.2070903@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5306FF88.6000107@gmail.com>

On 20/02/14 22:48, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Richmond wrote:
>
> >> Although I noticed "set the textStyle["plain"]" or "set the
> >> textStyle["empty"]" throws an error. I think it should be allowed.
> >
> > That's odd, as the documentation has this:
> >
> > "Value:
> > The textStyle of an object or chunk is either "plain", empty,
> > "mixed", or one or more of the following, separated by commas:
> > * bold
> > * italic
> > * underline
> > * strikeout
> > * box
> > * threeDbox
> > * link (or group)
> > * condensed
> > * expanded
> >
> > Comments:
> > Setting the textStyle to "plain" turns off all styles. (Setting the
> > textStyle to "plain" plus one or more additional styles may result in
> > anomalous behavior.)"
> >
> > However, having just tested them (LC 6.6) I can confirm that they do
> > throw errors.
> >
> > Bug report time!
>
> Maybe not - further on in the Dictionary entry for textStyle it notes:
>
>     Changes: As of version 5.0.2 a new array variant of the textStyle
>     property has been added allowing for access to individual
>     textStyles independently from the others by specifying the required
>     style as an array key.
>
>     the textStyle[<style>]
>
>     Here, style can be one of bold, condensed, expanded, italic,
>     oblique, box, threedbox, underline, strikeout, link.
>
>
> "Plain" isn't included as one of the options when using the array 
> syntax, which makes sense because "plain" isn't a specific style per 
> se but merely the absence of any other.
>
> I recently made a Style menu with a lot of code using the new array 
> syntax, and it was adapted from older code that used the older syntax, 
> and neither failed in v6.6.
>
> What is the syntax you find that throws errors?

set the textStyle["plain"] of fld "myNONSENSE" to true

>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Fri Feb 21 02:55:42 2014
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:55:42 +0000
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <5306F2E2.9080806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>
	<CANQHZSFkf8HxmCxuhSH=J6nd4u6XfEBTpHiusvm81Rv+BZvBXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5306F2E2.9080806@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <66743D1D-837B-4F40-A5F3-DBD2A76236EF@liverpool.ac.uk>

I've seen an issue in Mavericks Finder where a file you've selected, will sometimes stay selected when you mouse down and then try and drag a different file (even though the two files may be in completely different folders) - as though you'd held down shift or cmd. The result when that happens is that you get both files dragged across.

On 21 Feb 2014, at 06:32, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 2/20/14, 11:27 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am experiencing a very strange problem after I save a stack AS.
>>> Looks like LC remembers the original filename and insist on using it,
>>> EVEN after I quit and restart LC!?
>>> 
>> 
>> I have seen a semi-reporducible glitch like this on OS/X with firefox and
>> both gmail and the ECF court filing system.
>> 
>> Under not yet specified conditions, if I open file originalfile in
>> LibreOffice, save it as newfile, and then export to pdf, and then drag the
>> new pdf for upload, rather than newfile.pdf, it is actually
>> originalfile.pdf that attaches.
>> 
>> I haven't fully nailed this down, but have seen it happen when watching
>> (because it just happened once before) and being certain that I actually
>> dragged newfile.pdf.
>> 
>> This can be quite embarrassing when practicing law . . .
> 
> My gut tells me, without objective evidence, that this is somehow related to Apple's removal of the Save As feature in Mt Lion, the one that requires you to make a duplicate before editing. It was partially restored in Mavericks but it still feels like it isn't all there.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

--
Phil Jimmieson  phil at liverpool.ac.uk  (UK) 0151 795 4236
Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street
Liverpool L69 3BX              http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment.







From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 04:40:38 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:40:38 +0800
Subject: iOS Folder Copy
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kifR3ToX1YzKxUr+=XO1E79jEJkh125M1s06CBgYgu0vw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm including a folder of images with my iOS app. The folder is included in
the 'Copy Files' pane of the Standalone Setting.

I see how to copy a single file from specialFolderPath("engine") to
specialFolderPath("documents") but how do I do a folder?

revCopyFolder is not supported on iOS.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 21 04:48:34 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:48:34 +0100
Subject: iOS Folder Copy
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kifR3ToX1YzKxUr+=XO1E79jEJkh125M1s06CBgYgu0vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kifR3ToX1YzKxUr+=XO1E79jEJkh125M1s06CBgYgu0vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530720F2.1040200@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Kay,

You can include the files of the folder in a custom property in a 
savingStandalone handler (or is it mobileSavingStandalone?) and write 
the files to the correct place when your app starts the first time.

You could also include a zip file and unzip it in the desired location 
when the app starts for the first time.

Actually, I don't understand why you would want to do this. Can't you 
just include the images in the standalone package and use those? If need 
be, you can add more files in a different location and just check two 
locations when you need a file.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/21/2014 10:40, Kay C Lan wrote:
> I'm including a folder of images with my iOS app. The folder is included in
> the 'Copy Files' pane of the Standalone Setting.
>
> I see how to copy a single file from specialFolderPath("engine") to
> specialFolderPath("documents") but how do I do a folder?
>
> revCopyFolder is not supported on iOS.



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 05:09:27 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:09:27 +0800
Subject: iOS Folder Copy
In-Reply-To: <530720F2.1040200@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CA+uh5kifR3ToX1YzKxUr+=XO1E79jEJkh125M1s06CBgYgu0vw@mail.gmail.com>
	<530720F2.1040200@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khDQOx7vzKiANkMvb65sVQF9BwpxOGtZyCxD11AECcLOA@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Thanks for the quick response.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> You can include the files of the folder in a custom property in a
> savingStandalone handler (or is it mobileSavingStandalone?) and write the
> files to the correct place when your app starts the first time.
>
> You could also include a zip file and unzip it in the desired location
> when the app starts for the first time.
>
> Can I do that on iOS? I'll check out zip in the Dictionary


> Actually, I don't understand why you would want to do this. Can't you just
> include the images in the standalone package and use those? If need be, you
> can add more files in a different location and just check two locations
> when you need a file.
>

Well... I thought it would be easy. Famous last words. There 100's them,
and certainly on Desktop it's easy just to move them around as a folder. It
also means my app logic is based of a folder that only contains images
which have names created to a specification.

All the files must be modifiable so on iOS I need to get them out of the
engine folder.

It looks like I can create Documents/Photo folder and then unzip them into
there.

Thanks for the pointers


From neil at runrev.com  Fri Feb 21 05:24:08 2014
From: neil at runrev.com (Neil Roger)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:24:08 +0000
Subject: iOS Folder Copy
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5khDQOx7vzKiANkMvb65sVQF9BwpxOGtZyCxD11AECcLOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kifR3ToX1YzKxUr+=XO1E79jEJkh125M1s06CBgYgu0vw@mail.gmail.com>
	<530720F2.1040200@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CA+uh5khDQOx7vzKiANkMvb65sVQF9BwpxOGtZyCxD11AECcLOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53072948.9080602@runrev.com>

Hi Kay,

The following forum post might give you some leads-

http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=11962

Kind Regards,


Neil Roger
--
RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
-


On 21/02/2014 10:09, Kay C Lan wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>
>> You can include the files of the folder in a custom property in a
>> savingStandalone handler (or is it mobileSavingStandalone?) and write the
>> files to the correct place when your app starts the first time.
>>
>> You could also include a zip file and unzip it in the desired location
>> when the app starts for the first time.
>>
>> Can I do that on iOS? I'll check out zip in the Dictionary
>
>> Actually, I don't understand why you would want to do this. Can't you just
>> include the images in the standalone package and use those? If need be, you
>> can add more files in a different location and just check two locations
>> when you need a file.
>>
> Well... I thought it would be easy. Famous last words. There 100's them,
> and certainly on Desktop it's easy just to move them around as a folder. It
> also means my app logic is based of a folder that only contains images
> which have names created to a specification.
>
> All the files must be modifiable so on iOS I need to get them out of the
> engine folder.
>
> It looks like I can create Documents/Photo folder and then unzip them into
> there.
>
> Thanks for the pointers
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 05:37:44 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:37:44 +0800
Subject: iOS Folder Copy
In-Reply-To: <53072948.9080602@runrev.com>
References: <CA+uh5kifR3ToX1YzKxUr+=XO1E79jEJkh125M1s06CBgYgu0vw@mail.gmail.com>
	<530720F2.1040200@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CA+uh5khDQOx7vzKiANkMvb65sVQF9BwpxOGtZyCxD11AECcLOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<53072948.9080602@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kiHO90mWMX=dRLf5zyLGNbpsnPSTb2h_Avje-UzHY17qg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Neil,

Currently looking at zip. I've never done anything with LC zip before so
it's an excellent opportunity for this old dog to learn a new trick.

If I can't make that work, the forum post seems straight forward enough.

Thanks


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Neil Roger <neil at runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Kay,
>
> The following forum post might give you some leads-
>
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=11962
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Neil Roger
> --
> RunRev Support Team ~ http://www.runrev.com
> -
>
>
>
> On 21/02/2014 10:09, Kay C Lan wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Mark Schonewille <
>> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>
>>  You can include the files of the folder in a custom property in a
>>> savingStandalone handler (or is it mobileSavingStandalone?) and write the
>>> files to the correct place when your app starts the first time.
>>>
>>> You could also include a zip file and unzip it in the desired location
>>> when the app starts for the first time.
>>>
>>> Can I do that on iOS? I'll check out zip in the Dictionary
>>>
>>
>>  Actually, I don't understand why you would want to do this. Can't you
>>> just
>>> include the images in the standalone package and use those? If need be,
>>> you
>>> can add more files in a different location and just check two locations
>>> when you need a file.
>>>
>>>  Well... I thought it would be easy. Famous last words. There 100's them,
>> and certainly on Desktop it's easy just to move them around as a folder.
>> It
>> also means my app logic is based of a folder that only contains images
>> which have names created to a specification.
>>
>> All the files must be modifiable so on iOS I need to get them out of the
>> engine folder.
>>
>> It looks like I can create Documents/Photo folder and then unzip them into
>> there.
>>
>> Thanks for the pointers
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From matsastrom at yahoo.se  Fri Feb 21 06:09:14 2014
From: matsastrom at yahoo.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mats_=C5str=F6m?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:09:14 +0100
Subject: DataGrid and launcher stack
Message-ID: <0D5FFA81-A254-4F5F-A585-BFE6EDCB65B5@yahoo.se>

I use a launch stack which is used to build the standalone and have now added a Data Grid to one of its substacks. Works fine in the IDE, but not in the standalone.
I have tried BlueMangos suggestion and created a substack that "tricks the Standalone Builder into adding the necessary stack files" (the revDataGridLibrary) - no luck.
The Data Grid is "dead" in the standalone.
Anyone encountered this?

/Mats
 


From matsastrom at yahoo.se  Fri Feb 21 06:41:37 2014
From: matsastrom at yahoo.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mats_=C5str=F6m?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:41:37 +0100
Subject: DataGrid and launcher stack 
Message-ID: <7DD22D83-A2E2-4267-ABF5-E5722E11B73F@yahoo.se>

Forget my last description/question

I use a launch stack which is used to build the standalone and have now added a Data Grid to one of the stacks opened by the launcher stack. 
The stack being opened IS NOT A SUBSTACK of the launcher stack.
Works fine in the IDE, but not in the standalone.

Must the stack containing the DataGrid be a substack of the launcher stack for the DataGrid to work in the standalone?

/Mats


From vclement at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 09:12:18 2014
From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:12:18 -0700
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <CAP6oXhZJD_4RrqJ_jtEjP-n5fTkAhcBzAx3BVC+T22DO6+QA9w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nakia

To some degree LiveCode can do the forms. The following might be helpful:

1. Do you need to have the forms restricted to the current user input? This
means that other users cannot view other forms placed by other users. This
would mean that a supervisor would have full access where general users
would not.
2. You said the users would not be installing anything on their computer.
So what you want is an internet based app where the user would sign in and
sign out when using the form?
3. When you say the form would be moved along for approval. would this be
by the individual form or as a report showing all the forms and the
consolidated information?

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
*http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/
<http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/>*
Skype: vaughn.clement
https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement
FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
LogMeIn also avaialble
Call on "ooVoo" at address:  vaughnclement or 9282549062
Ph. 928-254-9062



On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Nakia Brewer
<Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>wrote:

> Thanks for the replies,
>
> Basically I am now using Perfect Forms to build systems for clients that
> automate paper processes.
> Think of Human Resource systems such as Leave Requests etc.
>
> The Majority of what I do is building approval style systems that allow
> people to fill in web forms that they then submit to begin a workflow
> (moves onto the next level of approval etc etc)
>
> It needs to have the ability for building reporting as well, Perfect Forms
> offers the ability to build Reports that are linked back into the
> Form for reporting purposes. Think Dashboards...
>
> Things I see I need
>
> 1. Needs to be we based as clients are not happy installing software (if
> they were I would be using LiveCode Applications)
> 2. As I am not familiar with any other language than LiveCode it needs to
> be simple to use to set up Logic, Conditions, Equations etc
> 3. Needs to be able to send HTML style emails when workflows move through
> different stages (with PDF attachments would be great!)
>         Noting above, needs to be able to send reminder emails based on
> certain conditions
> 4. Support is a big thing as this is Perfect Forms biggest downfall.
>
>
> I hope this makes sense?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Vaughn Clement
> Sent: Friday, 21 February 2014 13:03
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Web Apps
>
> Hi Nakia
>
> WaveMaker is not even 50% of what LiveCode can offer. I spent about 2
> months trying to work wit WM before I found LivCode. Alex has the point at
> hand, what are you trying to do? As you can see I am mainly a database
> developer, and I've used about every kind of DB app over the last 35 years.
> Explain what your trying to do and I will recommend a solution.
>
> Thank you
>
> Vaughn Clement
>
> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/
> <http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/>*
> Skype: vaughn.clement
> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement
> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
> LogMeIn also avaialble
> Call on "ooVoo" at address:  vaughnclement or 9282549062
> Ph. 928-254-9062
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Nakia Brewer
> <Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Not sure if it's okay to ask this here but does anyone have any
> > recommendations for  easy to use Web Apps systems?
> > I'm currently using a system called "Perfect Forms" and it's doing
> alright
> > but I am at the limits of what that system can do and struggle to justify
> > $250 for a 1 hour support call so I  am looking for something a little
> more
> > 'open'.
> >
> > Does anyone have experience with WaveMaker
> >
> >
> > COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may
> > contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are
> not
> > the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using,
> > reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this
> > email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this
> message
> > in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept
> > liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay,
> > interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve
> the
> > right to monitor all e-mail communications.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may
> contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not
> the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using,
> reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this
> email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message
> in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept
> liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay,
> interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the
> right to monitor all e-mail communications.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From andrew at ctech.me  Fri Feb 21 09:12:33 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 08:12:33 -0600
Subject: DataGrid and launcher stack
In-Reply-To: <7DD22D83-A2E2-4267-ABF5-E5722E11B73F@yahoo.se>
References: <7DD22D83-A2E2-4267-ABF5-E5722E11B73F@yahoo.se>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft_GmveuiJvo5RAqhYoSKwdZAiE50LmWwSagKCyA66NMAw@mail.gmail.com>

I had to do this as well at one point. I never tried it in another
substack. Try putting it into another CARD of the mainstack of the launcher
standalone.


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:41 AM, Mats ?str?m <matsastrom at yahoo.se> wrote:

> Forget my last description/question
>
> I use a launch stack which is used to build the standalone and have now
> added a Data Grid to one of the stacks opened by the launcher stack.
> The stack being opened IS NOT A SUBSTACK of the launcher stack.
> Works fine in the IDE, but not in the standalone.
>
> Must the stack containing the DataGrid be a substack of the launcher stack
> for the DataGrid to work in the standalone?
>
> /Mats
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From bvg at mac.com  Fri Feb 21 10:36:40 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:36:40 +0100
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <53066031.4020403@fourthworld.com>
References: <loom.20140220T202729-452@post.gmane.org>
	<53066031.4020403@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0BED4F31-736D-477F-BA9F-FE6226A02416@mac.com>

Alright, thanks everyone for explaining this. I see now that assert does something that existing capabilities didn't do: Make your own errors up.

I still think that adding an assert command (of all things) is a completely wrong way to do that tho. What i'd want is this to use existing capabilities, instead of sidestepping how things work right now. Maybe a control structure would be a lot more in touch with the existing ways?

Another approach could be something similar to exit (exit to error?), coupled with an operator or a function. I think a command is extremely weird, why would a random command exit the handler? it's so weird :(

In addition I'd use it directly with the existing (if weirdly named) errorDialog message (assertError synonym?). In fact that one already does everything the newfangled assert does (including the global that Richard asked for, if I read "the lockErrorDialogs" correctly), the only thing it doesn't do, is to allow the user to issue custom errors that would trigger the function, but of course that can be added. 

So my suggestion would be to update errorDialog, maybe make a synonym for people used to other languages. And then add an assert control structure (or even just modify try to be able to use it in that way).


-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Feb 21 11:08:44 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:08:44 +0000
Subject: DataGrid and launcher stack
In-Reply-To: <0D5FFA81-A254-4F5F-A585-BFE6EDCB65B5@yahoo.se>
References: <0D5FFA81-A254-4F5F-A585-BFE6EDCB65B5@yahoo.se>
Message-ID: <4C656AC0-3706-4B6F-8788-99D486401ECC@byu.edu>


On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:09 AM, Mats ?str?m <matsastrom at yahoo.se>
 wrote:

> I use a launch stack which is used to build the standalone and have now added a Data Grid to one of its substacks. Works fine in the IDE, but not in the standalone.
> I have tried BlueMangos suggestion and created a substack that "tricks the Standalone Builder into adding the necessary stack files" (the revDataGridLibrary) - no luck.
> The Data Grid is "dead" in the standalone.
> Anyone encountered this?

Mats,

I just add revdatagridlibrary.rev to my standalone manually (or you can include it in the Stacks or Copy Files pane of the Standalone Builder.) It's an extra step, but it's reliable. The stack is in the Toolset folder in the OS X app bundle or the Windows program folder.

HTH

Devin


Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Feb 21 11:11:59 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:11:59 +0100
Subject: DataGrid and launcher stack
In-Reply-To: <4C656AC0-3706-4B6F-8788-99D486401ECC@byu.edu>
References: <0D5FFA81-A254-4F5F-A585-BFE6EDCB65B5@yahoo.se>
	<4C656AC0-3706-4B6F-8788-99D486401ECC@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <1B1C0DE0-1840-4716-85EA-0C09383507A4@major-k.de>

Hi Mats,

Am 21.02.2014 um 17:08 schrieb Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>:

> On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:09 AM, Mats ?str?m <matsastrom at yahoo.se>
> wrote:
> 
>> I use a launch stack which is used to build the standalone and have now added a Data Grid to one of its substacks. Works fine in the IDE, but not in the standalone.
>> I have tried BlueMangos suggestion and created a substack that "tricks the Standalone Builder into adding the necessary stack files" (the revDataGridLibrary) - no luck.
>> The Data Grid is "dead" in the standalone.
>> Anyone encountered this?
> 
> Mats,
> 
> I just add revdatagridlibrary.rev to my standalone manually (or you can include it in the Stacks or Copy Files pane of the Standalone Builder.) It's an extra step, but it's reliable. The stack is in the Toolset folder in the OS X app bundle or the Windows program folder.

or just add an empty datagrid to your launcher stack and hide it!
This way the library will be added automatically :-)

> HTH
> 
> Devin

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Feb 21 11:30:08 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:30:08 -0500
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <0BED4F31-736D-477F-BA9F-FE6226A02416@mac.com>
References: <loom.20140220T202729-452@post.gmane.org>
	<53066031.4020403@fourthworld.com>
	<0BED4F31-736D-477F-BA9F-FE6226A02416@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPY2hkeLw0LHDpQ3ArxKdTbY0R7zZKOJSKCwjyH4DiaBQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not really "warming up" to the syntax.  I'm warming up to the idea, but
I like Bj?rnke's thinking on this.  One of the things that's been bugging
me is that this reminds me of try/catch, but it's not thought-out enough,
yet.


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> Alright, thanks everyone for explaining this. I see now that assert does
> something that existing capabilities didn't do: Make your own errors up.
>
> I still think that adding an assert command (of all things) is a
> completely wrong way to do that tho. What i'd want is this to use existing
> capabilities, instead of sidestepping how things work right now. Maybe a
> control structure would be a lot more in touch with the existing ways?
>
> Another approach could be something similar to exit (exit to error?),
> coupled with an operator or a function. I think a command is extremely
> weird, why would a random command exit the handler? it's so weird :(
>
> In addition I'd use it directly with the existing (if weirdly named)
> errorDialog message (assertError synonym?). In fact that one already does
> everything the newfangled assert does (including the global that Richard
> asked for, if I read "the lockErrorDialogs" correctly), the only thing it
> doesn't do, is to allow the user to issue custom errors that would trigger
> the function, but of course that can be added.
>
> So my suggestion would be to update errorDialog, maybe make a synonym for
> people used to other languages. And then add an assert control structure
> (or even just modify try to be able to use it in that way).
>
>
> --
>
> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb 21 12:34:05 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:34:05 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <0BED4F31-736D-477F-BA9F-FE6226A02416@mac.com>
References: <loom.20140220T202729-452@post.gmane.org>
	<53066031.4020403@fourthworld.com>
	<0BED4F31-736D-477F-BA9F-FE6226A02416@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePWERMcgxXF=4r5L+ubHztX9K3ezRXHUY+nP=QW7adyZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bjornke,
I just tried a simple assert/assertError.  If the assert fails, the
commands in the assertError message handler are executed then the original
handler still continues to execute, so assert exits the handler to the
assertError message handler , then goes back to the original handler.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> Alright, thanks everyone for explaining this. I see now that assert does
> something that existing capabilities didn't do: Make your own errors up.
>
> I still think that adding an assert command (of all things) is a
> completely wrong way to do that tho. What i'd want is this to use existing
> capabilities, instead of sidestepping how things work right now. Maybe a
> control structure would be a lot more in touch with the existing ways?
>
> Another approach could be something similar to exit (exit to error?),
> coupled with an operator or a function. I think a command is extremely
> weird, why would a random command exit the handler? it's so weird :(
>
> In addition I'd use it directly with the existing (if weirdly named)
> errorDialog message (assertError synonym?). In fact that one already does
> everything the newfangled assert does (including the global that Richard
> asked for, if I read "the lockErrorDialogs" correctly), the only thing it
> doesn't do, is to allow the user to issue custom errors that would trigger
> the function, but of course that can be added.
>
> So my suggestion would be to update errorDialog, maybe make a synonym for
> people used to other languages. And then add an assert control structure
> (or even just modify try to be able to use it in that way).
>
>
> --
>
> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Feb 21 14:38:33 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:38:33 -0500
Subject: TestFlight acquired by Apple, Android Version DRT
Message-ID: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>

http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/21/apple-snaps-up-testflight-parent-burstly-amid-product-shutdowns/

-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Fri Feb 21 15:48:05 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 20:48:05 +0000
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <CAP6oXhZJD_4RrqJ_jtEjP-n5fTkAhcBzAx3BVC+T22DO6+QA9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>,
	<CAP6oXhZJD_4RrqJ_jtEjP-n5fTkAhcBzAx3BVC+T22DO6+QA9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0EAB8341-D570-44B5-B81D-BADA0AC9F96D@westrac.com.au>

Hi,

The forms to fill out need to be a link on a site an organisation has access to.

They would prefer for the users not to have to log in (they don't need to see history etc of what they submitted once it's approved)

As the form moves along its approval chain or workflow the emails back to the requester contain links to the form where they can view where it's up to (and print etc)

>From a management perspective they too get emails when they have forms awaiting approval but they mostly currently view this via a dashboard which contains a report linked to all submitted instances of that form. This is a portal they sign into. This report has a link to the form instance so they can open and  process it right from the report.



Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Feb 2014, at 1:12 am, "Vaughn Clement" <vclement at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nakia
> 
> To some degree LiveCode can do the forms. The following might be helpful:
> 
> 1. Do you need to have the forms restricted to the current user input? This
> means that other users cannot view other forms placed by other users. This
> would mean that a supervisor would have full access where general users
> would not.
> 2. You said the users would not be installing anything on their computer.
> So what you want is an internet based app where the user would sign in and
> sign out when using the form?
> 3. When you say the form would be moved along for approval. would this be
> by the individual form or as a report showing all the forms and the
> consolidated information?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Vaughn Clement
> 
> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/
> <http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/>*
> Skype: vaughn.clement
> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement
> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
> LogMeIn also avaialble
> Call on "ooVoo" at address:  vaughnclement or 9282549062
> Ph. 928-254-9062
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Nakia Brewer
> <Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for the replies,
>> 
>> Basically I am now using Perfect Forms to build systems for clients that
>> automate paper processes.
>> Think of Human Resource systems such as Leave Requests etc.
>> 
>> The Majority of what I do is building approval style systems that allow
>> people to fill in web forms that they then submit to begin a workflow
>> (moves onto the next level of approval etc etc)
>> 
>> It needs to have the ability for building reporting as well, Perfect Forms
>> offers the ability to build Reports that are linked back into the
>> Form for reporting purposes. Think Dashboards...
>> 
>> Things I see I need
>> 
>> 1. Needs to be we based as clients are not happy installing software (if
>> they were I would be using LiveCode Applications)
>> 2. As I am not familiar with any other language than LiveCode it needs to
>> be simple to use to set up Logic, Conditions, Equations etc
>> 3. Needs to be able to send HTML style emails when workflows move through
>> different stages (with PDF attachments would be great!)
>>        Noting above, needs to be able to send reminder emails based on
>> certain conditions
>> 4. Support is a big thing as this is Perfect Forms biggest downfall.
>> 
>> 
>> I hope this makes sense?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
>> Behalf Of Vaughn Clement
>> Sent: Friday, 21 February 2014 13:03
>> To: How to use LiveCode
>> Subject: Re: Web Apps
>> 
>> Hi Nakia
>> 
>> WaveMaker is not even 50% of what LiveCode can offer. I spent about 2
>> months trying to work wit WM before I found LivCode. Alex has the point at
>> hand, what are you trying to do? As you can see I am mainly a database
>> developer, and I've used about every kind of DB app over the last 35 years.
>> Explain what your trying to do and I will recommend a solution.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> Vaughn Clement
>> 
>> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
>> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/
>> <http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/>*
>> Skype: vaughn.clement
>> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement
>> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
>> LogMeIn also avaialble
>> Call on "ooVoo" at address:  vaughnclement or 9282549062
>> Ph. 928-254-9062
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Nakia Brewer
>> <Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au>wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Not sure if it's okay to ask this here but does anyone have any
>>> recommendations for  easy to use Web Apps systems?
>>> I'm currently using a system called "Perfect Forms" and it's doing
>> alright
>>> but I am at the limits of what that system can do and struggle to justify
>>> $250 for a 1 hour support call so I  am looking for something a little
>> more
>>> 'open'.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have experience with WaveMaker
>>> 
>>> 
>>> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may
>>> contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are
>> not
>>> the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using,
>>> reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this
>>> email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this
>> message
>>> in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept
>>> liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay,
>>> interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve
>> the
>>> right to monitor all e-mail communications.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may
>> contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not
>> the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using,
>> reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this
>> email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message
>> in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept
>> liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay,
>> interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the
>> right to monitor all e-mail communications.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 

COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From mblivecode at harbourhosting.co.uk  Fri Feb 21 16:15:53 2014
From: mblivecode at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:15:53 +0000
Subject: DataGrid and launcher stack
In-Reply-To: <1B1C0DE0-1840-4716-85EA-0C09383507A4@major-k.de>
References: <0D5FFA81-A254-4F5F-A585-BFE6EDCB65B5@yahoo.se>
	<4C656AC0-3706-4B6F-8788-99D486401ECC@byu.edu>
	<1B1C0DE0-1840-4716-85EA-0C09383507A4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <5307C209.20704@harbourhosting.co.uk>

On 21/02/14 16:11, Klaus major-k wrote:
> Hi Mats,
> 
> Am 21.02.2014 um 17:08 schrieb Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>:
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2014, at 4:09 AM, Mats ?str?m <matsastrom at yahoo.se> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I use a launch stack which is used to build the standalone and
>>> have now added a Data Grid to one of its substacks. Works fine in
>>> the IDE, but not in the standalone. I have tried BlueMangos
>>> suggestion and created a substack that "tricks the Standalone
>>> Builder into adding the necessary stack files" (the
>>> revDataGridLibrary) - no luck. The Data Grid is "dead" in the
>>> standalone. Anyone encountered this?
>> 
>> Mats,
>> 
>> I just add revdatagridlibrary.rev to my standalone manually (or you
>> can include it in the Stacks or Copy Files pane of the Standalone
>> Builder.) It's an extra step, but it's reliable. The stack is in
>> the Toolset folder in the OS X app bundle or the Windows program
>> folder.
> 
> or just add an empty datagrid to your launcher stack and hide it! 
> This way the library will be added automatically :-)
> 

Well, yes, that's true if you have "search for required inclusions when
saving the standalone application" selected.

However, you cannot set that and at the same time manually select
libraries in the section below, as those two mechanisms are XOR options.

Which is annoying, if you need the datagrid as well as several other
libs that are manually selectable, e.g. database, printing, xml; then
you have to fudge one or the other to get everything included.

I wonder, does anyone know, is there some difference between the
datagrid and the other libraries that can be manually included for
selection that rules out adding it to that list, or could it be? Should
it be?

Martin Baxter






From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb 21 17:09:25 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:09:25 -0800
Subject: Importing CDs
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOGNV=V__JeL80H10fGVZ6zftNhPg-XeAhX3ni=UP0s6A@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a library anywhere for importing a CD along with its metadata into
Livecode?
Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Feb 21 20:38:03 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 02:38:03 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Installer Maker 1.8.3
Message-ID: <5307FF7B.5020606@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

A new version of the Installer Maker Plug-in for LiveCode is now 
available. This version, 1.8.3, fixes a few minor problems and enhances 
compatibility with LiveCode 6.6.1.

This update applies to the plug-in for the commercial version of 
LiveCode only and not to the standalone version.

You can download the plug-in at http://qery.us/44d

Contact me off-list if you if you have any comments.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/



From dochawk at gmail.com  Fri Feb 21 22:05:44 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:05:44 -0800
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <5306F2E2.9080806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>
	<CANQHZSFkf8HxmCxuhSH=J6nd4u6XfEBTpHiusvm81Rv+BZvBXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5306F2E2.9080806@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSF1wbfetBYiA4ugmD5ZP+7cyuGTjKKv06ruKrs1dwEt6w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:32 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 2/20/14, 11:27 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>
>>

> I have seen a semi-reporducible glitch like this on OS/X with firefox and
>> both gmail and the ECF court filing system.
>>
>> Under not yet specified conditions, if I open file originalfile in
>> LibreOffice, save it as newfile, and then export to pdf, and then drag the
>> new pdf for upload, rather than newfile.pdf, it is actually
>> originalfile.pdf that attaches.
>>
>>

> My gut tells me, without objective evidence, that this is somehow related
> to Apple's removal of the Save As feature in Mt Lion, the one that requires
> you to make a duplicate before editing. It was partially restored in
> Mavericks but it still feels like it isn't all there.
>

That could seem likely (there is a delay in those where a file seems to be
both/neither).

However, I'm using LIbreOffice and Firefox, neither of which are part of
that aberrant behavior.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dfepstein at comcast.net  Fri Feb 21 22:59:51 2014
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 22:59:51 -0500
Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
Message-ID: <BFA1F44C-3CCA-4A13-9A0F-D038A5C3E95A@comcast.net>

If I check "basic table object" in the field property inspector, and  
check "Edit cell," clicking on the table field causes a small  
unlocked field to be created at the cell's location, which on tab or  
arrowkey has its contents written to the cell.

Is there some way to have a script trap the relevant information  
about what is going on, e.g., that a cell has just been "opened for  
editing", that a cell has just been edited, which cell it is, etc.?

I assume that this "Edit Cell" activity is governed by a script that  
is reading a custom property, but I see no indication that the field  
actually has such a property or where the script is.

Many thanks.

David Epstein

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Feb 21 23:22:56 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 04:22:56 +0000
Subject: DataGrid and launcher stack
In-Reply-To: <7DD22D83-A2E2-4267-ABF5-E5722E11B73F@yahoo.se>
References: <7DD22D83-A2E2-4267-ABF5-E5722E11B73F@yahoo.se>
Message-ID: <4CE37929-12AB-4373-8FB5-0B3C0EFDD792@iotecdigital.com>

As long as you provide the full path to the stack you are opening I don?t see why it should be. Just make sure the Datagrid library is included in your launcher stack. Not sure what that would be unless it?s the Table library. Maybe check the Search For Required Inclusions radio button. 

Bob


On Feb 21, 2014, at 03:41 , Mats ?str?m <matsastrom at yahoo.se> wrote:

> Forget my last description/question
> 
> I use a launch stack which is used to build the standalone and have now added a Data Grid to one of the stacks opened by the launcher stack. 
> The stack being opened IS NOT A SUBSTACK of the launcher stack.
> Works fine in the IDE, but not in the standalone.
> 
> Must the stack containing the DataGrid be a substack of the launcher stack for the DataGrid to work in the standalone?
> 
> /Mats
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Feb 21 23:29:43 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 04:29:43 +0000
Subject: Ugly stack filename problem after Save as!
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFkf8HxmCxuhSH=J6nd4u6XfEBTpHiusvm81Rv+BZvBXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2C0F26EC-E619-40FE-8CE7-011DAF04F729@major-k.de>
	<CANQHZSFkf8HxmCxuhSH=J6nd4u6XfEBTpHiusvm81Rv+BZvBXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B4BA2F9-ED27-4FED-AE31-7444E9ABAEB3@iotecdigital.com>

2 things in play here. There is the FILENAME of the stack file, and then there is the STACK NAME of the stack file. Save As does not rename the stack. Try opening the stack name of the saved as file, renaming the stack, closing and removing it from memory, then opening the original. If the name of the stack is the NEW NAME, you have problems. If not, then you are just confusing the stack name with the file name. 

Bob


On Feb 20, 2014, at 21:27 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> 
>> I am experiencing a very strange problem after I save a stack AS.
>> Looks like LC remembers the original filename and insist on using it,
>> EVEN after I quit and restart LC!?
>> 
> 
> I have seen a semi-reporducible glitch like this on OS/X with firefox and
> both gmail and the ECF court filing system.
> 
> Under not yet specified conditions, if I open file originalfile in
> LibreOffice, save it as newfile, and then export to pdf, and then drag the
> new pdf for upload, rather than newfile.pdf, it is actually
> originalfile.pdf that attaches.
> 
> I haven't fully nailed this down, but have seen it happen when watching
> (because it just happened once before) and being certain that I actually
> dragged newfile.pdf.
> 
> This can be quite embarrassing when practicing law . . .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Feb 21 23:34:36 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 04:34:36 +0000
Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
In-Reply-To: <BFA1F44C-3CCA-4A13-9A0F-D038A5C3E95A@comcast.net>
References: <BFA1F44C-3CCA-4A13-9A0F-D038A5C3E95A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <23E89651-A092-4714-8FB2-CA7C89053D6C@iotecdigital.com>

Yes. It?s called ?use a data grid instead?. Table objects are simple fields that pretend to act as tables. Nothing beyond the messages a field gets are sent to a table field. It is JUST a field. That?s all. 

Datagrids on the other hand, are a complex group of fields and behaviors that make up the whole. Lots of messages get sent to a data grid that allow you to fine tune it?s behavior. And if that is not enough, you can ?clone? the behavior to a button of your choosing, and then modify that particular data grid?s behavior to your heart?s content! 

I was a little put off by data grids at first, but necessity drove me to investigate their capabilities and now I simply cannot build an app that needs tables without using them. 

Bob


On Feb 21, 2014, at 19:59 , David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net> wrote:

> If I check "basic table object" in the field property inspector, and check "Edit cell," clicking on the table field causes a small unlocked field to be created at the cell's location, which on tab or arrowkey has its contents written to the cell.
> 
> Is there some way to have a script trap the relevant information about what is going on, e.g., that a cell has just been "opened for editing", that a cell has just been edited, which cell it is, etc.?
> 
> I assume that this "Edit Cell" activity is governed by a script that is reading a custom property, but I see no indication that the field actually has such a property or where the script is.
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> David Epstein
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dunbarx at aol.com  Sat Feb 22 01:21:52 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 01:21:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
In-Reply-To: <BFA1F44C-3CCA-4A13-9A0F-D038A5C3E95A@comcast.net>
References: <BFA1F44C-3CCA-4A13-9A0F-D038A5C3E95A@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8D0FDAD827E775D-177C-B726@webmail-m283.sysops.aol.com>

Bob is probably right about the fact that you may run out of functional power with a table field. But I use them whenever I can, since they are much simpler and easier to manage.


A phantom field is indeed created when you double-click on a "cell". Put this in the card script:



on selectionchanged
   put the name of the last field
end selectionchanged


Double click, and you can see that field. This may give you a pathway to fooling around with the table field workings. 


Craig NEwman



-----Original Message-----
From: David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:00 pm
Subject: Edit cell in basic table field


If I check "basic table object" in the field property inspector, and  
check "Edit cell," clicking on the table field causes a small  
unlocked field to be created at the cell's location, which on tab or  
arrowkey has its contents written to the cell.

Is there some way to have a script trap the relevant information  
about what is going on, e.g., that a cell has just been "opened for  
editing", that a cell has just been edited, which cell it is, etc.?

I assume that this "Edit Cell" activity is governed by a script that  
is reading a custom property, but I see no indication that the field  
actually has such a property or where the script is.

Many thanks.

David Epstein
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb 22 04:45:50 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 01:45:50 -0800
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
Message-ID: <530871CE.3040505@fourthworld.com>

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

 > I still think that adding an assert command (of all things) is a
 > completely wrong way to do that tho. What i'd want is this to use
 > existing capabilities, instead of sidestepping how things work right
 > now. Maybe a control structure would be a lot more in touch with the
 > existing ways?

Perhaps "assert" is that control structure.

Your reaction to its inclusion in LS seems very natural, not at all 
irrational, and very much like my own at first.

But to try to understand why someone line Mark Waddingham would take the 
time out of an impacted schedule to add it, I spent some time of my own 
looking into how other languages make use of "assert".

I've come to see "assert" less as an error-handling mechanism than an 
uncommonly-efficient reporting mechansism,

As such, it would seem to offer unique value to the language.

That is, provided they add a global means of turning off "assert" 
evaluation.  Without such a global flag it's no better than just writing 
a custom handler, which is probably why most languages that support 
"assert" also provide such a global flag.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
  ____________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com        http://www.FourthWorld.com



From peterwawood at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 05:54:45 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:54:45 +0800
Subject: Encryption / Encoding Differences between IDE and OS X Standalone
In-Reply-To: <CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>

Many thanks to Roger Eller, Jan Schenkel, Bill Vlahos and Paul Hibbert (off list) for helping me identify and workaround the issues I encountered.

Paul pointed out three things: I didn't the use "the text of Field ..."; how to overcome not being able to copy text from a field in an OS X standalone; and the final problem that was related to script local variables.

Using "the text of Field ..." instead of "Field ..." helped to more accurately copy and paste data. (I ended up displaying the encrypted data in Hex anyway.) 

I had found that I couldn't copy from a Field in an OS X standalone. Paul provide a script with group handlers to get around the problem. I have submitted a bug report which has been accepted - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11830

At this stage, I was still getting inconsistent results when encrypting data in the IDE or a standalone. Then Paul noticed how I was initialising the encryption parameters, namely the script local variables tPassword, tSalt, tIV:

	openStack
  		put "" into Field "Encrypted"
  		put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
  		put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
  		put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
	end openStack

	on encryptMSG
  		...
	end encryptMSG

	on decryptMSG
  		...
	end decryptMSG

He changed this to re-setting the three script local fields each time they were used:

	on openStack
  		put "" into Field "Encrypted"
	end openStack

	command setPassCodes
  		put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
  		put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
  		put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
	end setPassCodes

	on encryptMSG
  		setPassCodes
  		...
	end encryptMSG

	on decryptMSG
  		setPassCodes
  		...
	end decryptMSG

After making this change, I now get identical results when encrypting data with the stack in the IDE or as a standalone.

I have also entered a bug report for this - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 - I feel there is a bug but not in the encrypt/decrypt functions, it's in the handling of script local variables.

Once again, thanks for all the help.

Kind regards
Peter
http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com





From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sat Feb 22 08:43:57 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 05:43:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
In-Reply-To: <1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <267AA3F2-28DE-4BEB-AB02-AADCC99FDDA5@dsa-net.dk>
	<1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1393076637311-4676199.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi,

Color Tracing, Color Tracking.

here is a version of an image tracing stack that traces color images.

It makes a graphic for each color. And it makes a combined graphic from the
color-subgraphics.

You have quite some options which graphics to include.

note that this stack has a button with a question mark in it with some
instruction how to use it.
The main stack has three substacks. Makes for some clutter but accomodates
larger images.

Please choose a posterization level after loading an image. 
Only if the image turns completely black on posterization reload the image
and "Color Trace" it without posterization.

Due to the tricky nature of images/colors you may not get satisfactory
results with all images. Especially subtle gradients are hard to get at a
reasonable resolution.

There is also a substack to use Livecode's Paint Tools to paint simple forms
and convert them into graphics. 
Please choose a posterization level before "color tracing".

You can download the stack here:
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/ColorTrace/ColorTracing.livecode.zip

Comments welcome.

What to do with the graphics is anybodys guess. But it was fun to do. I
would be interested in real world use cases.

Kind regards
Bernd



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Tracing-Stack-was-the-points-of-graphic-tp4674846p4676199.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com  Sat Feb 22 10:16:43 2014
From: mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com (Mats Wilstrand)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:16:43 +0100
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
Message-ID: <009901cf2fe1$18647ea0$492d7be0$@tapirsoft.com>

Hi Bernd!

Played a little with your Tracer. You're on the way to build an image to
vector converter for LC. That's awesome!

Best regards
Mats




From matsastrom at yahoo.se  Sat Feb 22 10:24:01 2014
From: matsastrom at yahoo.se (Mats Yahoo)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:24:01 +0100
Subject: DataGrid and launcher stack
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1393066802.15164.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1393066802.15164.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <343A67FD-8860-4A92-A327-D3B9A8D8B1F1@yahoo.se>

Thank you all for the suggestions. I finally got it working by adding revDataGridLibrary in the Add files section in the builder settings.
/Mats




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 11:00:03 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:00:03 -0500
Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
In-Reply-To: <8D0FDAD827E775D-177C-B726@webmail-m283.sysops.aol.com>
References: <BFA1F44C-3CCA-4A13-9A0F-D038A5C3E95A@comcast.net>
	<8D0FDAD827E775D-177C-B726@webmail-m283.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <0CEC3FAE-6822-4210-9949-72537C036396@gmail.com>

Here's a function that may come in handy if you need to script something based on which table cell is clicked.

----------------

function gridCellClicked
   -- Designed for tab-delimited fields, ie., tables
   -- returns empty if the field doesn't contain a <tab> char,
   -- otherwise returns <lineNbr>,<colNbr>:
   --     <lineNbr> = number of the clicked line
   --     <colNbr> = number of the clicked column (item)
   -- uses the mouse position instead of the clickchunk,
   --     which is empty if you click on white space,
   --     works even if the field is horizontally scrolled
   -- call it like this in your field script:
   --     on mouseup
   --       put gridCellClicked() into g
   --       put item 1 of g into lineNbr
   --       put item 2 of g into colNbr
   --       -- use lineNbr and colNbr as needed here
   --     end mouseup
   
   if not (the target begins with "field") then return empty
   if not (target contains tab) then return empty
   
   put word 2 of the clickline into cLineNbr
   put item 1 of the clickloc into clickHorz
   
   put the tabstops of the target into fTabstops
   if fTabstops = empty then put 32 into fTabstops
   -- 32 is the effective tabstop for a field with tapstops = empty
   put the hscroll of the target into tHorzScroll
   put the left of the target into fLeft
   put the borderwidth of the target into fBordWidth
   put item 1 of the margins of the target into fLeftMargin
   put the number of items of fTabstops into nbrTabStops
   put (item -1 of fTabstops) - (item -2 of fTabstops) into lastTabGap
   -- that works even if only one tabstop
   
   put clickHorz - (fLeft + fBordWidth + fLeftMargin) + tHorzScroll into clickHorz
   put 0 into upToHere
   put 0 into whichTab
   repeat until upToHere > clickHorz
      add 1 to whichTab
      if whichTab > nbrTabStops then
         add lastTabGap to upToHere
      else
         put item whichTab of fTabstops into upToHere
      end if
   end repeat
   return cLineNbr,whichTab
end gridCellClicked

----------------

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Feb 22, 2014, at 1:21 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Bob is probably right about the fact that you may run out of functional power with a table field. But I use them whenever I can, since they are much simpler and easier to manage.
> 
> A phantom field is indeed created when you double-click on a "cell". Put this in the card script:
> 
> on selectionchanged
>   put the name of the last field
> end selectionchanged
> 
> Double click, and you can see that field. This may give you a pathway to fooling around with the table field workings. 
> 
> Craig NEwman
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net>
>> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:00 pm
>> Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
>> 
>> 
>> If I check "basic table object" in the field property inspector, and  
>> check "Edit cell," clicking on the table field causes a small  
>> unlocked field to be created at the cell's location, which on tab or  
>> arrowkey has its contents written to the cell.
>> 
>> Is there some way to have a script trap the relevant information  
>> about what is going on, e.g., that a cell has just been "opened for  
>> editing", that a cell has just been edited, which cell it is, etc.?
>> 
>> I assume that this "Edit Cell" activity is governed by a script that  
>> is reading a custom property, but I see no indication that the field  
>> actually has such a property or where the script is.
>> 
>> Many thanks.
>> 
>> David Epstein



From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Feb 22 11:04:02 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:04:02 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>

Mats' posting on encryption difficulties got me thinking about local variables. Are they supposed to persist after the script is done executing, so that the next time a handler within that script is called, they can be expected to hold previously set values? I notice that they don't. Or would this be a task for custom properties?
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Feb 22, 2014, at 2:54 AM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Many thanks to Roger Eller, Jan Schenkel, Bill Vlahos and Paul Hibbert (off list) for helping me identify and workaround the issues I encountered.
> 
> Paul pointed out three things: I didn't the use "the text of Field ..."; how to overcome not being able to copy text from a field in an OS X standalone; and the final problem that was related to script local variables.
> 
> Using "the text of Field ..." instead of "Field ..." helped to more accurately copy and paste data. (I ended up displaying the encrypted data in Hex anyway.) 
> 
> I had found that I couldn't copy from a Field in an OS X standalone. Paul provide a script with group handlers to get around the problem. I have submitted a bug report which has been accepted - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11830
> 
> At this stage, I was still getting inconsistent results when encrypting data in the IDE or a standalone. Then Paul noticed how I was initialising the encryption parameters, namely the script local variables tPassword, tSalt, tIV:
> 
>    openStack
>          put "" into Field "Encrypted"
>          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
>          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
>          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
>    end openStack
> 
>    on encryptMSG
>          ...
>    end encryptMSG
> 
>    on decryptMSG
>          ...
>    end decryptMSG
> 
> He changed this to re-setting the three script local fields each time they were used:
> 
>    on openStack
>          put "" into Field "Encrypted"
>    end openStack
> 
>    command setPassCodes
>          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
>          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
>          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
>    end setPassCodes
> 
>    on encryptMSG
>          setPassCodes
>          ...
>    end encryptMSG
> 
>    on decryptMSG
>          setPassCodes
>          ...
>    end decryptMSG
> 
> After making this change, I now get identical results when encrypting data with the stack in the IDE or as a standalone.
> 
> I have also entered a bug report for this - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 - I feel there is a bug but not in the encrypt/decrypt functions, it's in the handling of script local variables.
> 
> Once again, thanks for all the help.
> 
> Kind regards
> Peter
> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 11:04:08 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:04:08 -0500
Subject: Importing CDs
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOGNV=V__JeL80H10fGVZ6zftNhPg-XeAhX3ni=UP0s6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOGNV=V__JeL80H10fGVZ6zftNhPg-XeAhX3ni=UP0s6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1343A61-AA06-46E6-8E54-A7021525566B@gmail.com>

Tom McGrath has an iTunes Library Suite somewhere, I bet his handlers will let you do what you want.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Feb 21, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Is there a library anywhere for importing a CD along with its metadata into
> Livecode?
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 11:33:05 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:33:05 +0100
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
In-Reply-To: <1393076637311-4676199.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <267AA3F2-28DE-4BEB-AB02-AADCC99FDDA5@dsa-net.dk>
	<1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1393076637311-4676199.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO6-iBHWPc5atKJgSDHFoeq=J2SZoRANQ+CyFjgBnggXAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hallo Bernd,


Amazing and running so fast !

Kind regards,

Thierry


2014-02-22 14:43 GMT+01:00 BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de>:

>
> Color Tracing, Color Tracking.
>
> here is a version of an image tracing stack that traces color images.
>
> It makes a graphic for each color. And it makes a combined graphic from the
> color-subgraphics.


------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf



From paulhibbert at mac.com  Sat Feb 22 12:45:09 2014
From: paulhibbert at mac.com (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 09:45:09 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <9AF64203-7373-4169-8C34-025D748C9EBE@mac.com>

Hi Bill,

Sometimes there are other considerations as to when to use variables or custom properties, I didn't suggest custom props here because I understand that they may still be visible in the IDE in password protected stacks, as these variables were important to the integrity of the app it didn't make sense in this case.

I may be wrong on this, but it did crop up in a discussion a while ago and so far I haven't taken it far enough to test it, it's just one of those odd things that stuck in my memory. Could be a worthwhile exercise though. Has anyone tested this?

Paul

On 2014-02-22, at 8:04 AM, Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Mats' posting on encryption difficulties got me thinking about local variables. Are they supposed to persist after the script is done executing, so that the next time a handler within that script is called, they can be expected to hold previously set values? I notice that they don't. Or would this be a task for custom properties?
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 2:54 AM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Many thanks to Roger Eller, Jan Schenkel, Bill Vlahos and Paul Hibbert (off list) for helping me identify and workaround the issues I encountered.
>> 
>> Paul pointed out three things: I didn't the use "the text of Field ..."; how to overcome not being able to copy text from a field in an OS X standalone; and the final problem that was related to script local variables.
>> 
>> Using "the text of Field ..." instead of "Field ..." helped to more accurately copy and paste data. (I ended up displaying the encrypted data in Hex anyway.) 
>> 
>> I had found that I couldn't copy from a Field in an OS X standalone. Paul provide a script with group handlers to get around the problem. I have submitted a bug report which has been accepted - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11830
>> 
>> At this stage, I was still getting inconsistent results when encrypting data in the IDE or a standalone. Then Paul noticed how I was initialising the encryption parameters, namely the script local variables tPassword, tSalt, tIV:
>> 
>>   openStack
>>         put "" into Field "Encrypted"
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
>>   end openStack
>> 
>>   on encryptMSG
>>         ...
>>   end encryptMSG
>> 
>>   on decryptMSG
>>         ...
>>   end decryptMSG
>> 
>> He changed this to re-setting the three script local fields each time they were used:
>> 
>>   on openStack
>>         put "" into Field "Encrypted"
>>   end openStack
>> 
>>   command setPassCodes
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
>>   end setPassCodes
>> 
>>   on encryptMSG
>>         setPassCodes
>>         ...
>>   end encryptMSG
>> 
>>   on decryptMSG
>>         setPassCodes
>>         ...
>>   end decryptMSG
>> 
>> After making this change, I now get identical results when encrypting data with the stack in the IDE or as a standalone.
>> 
>> I have also entered a bug report for this - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 - I feel there is a bug but not in the encrypt/decrypt functions, it's in the handling of script local variables.
>> 
>> Once again, thanks for all the help.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Feb 22 12:49:21 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (prothero at earthednet.org)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 09:49:21 -0800
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>

Folks:
I think there is something weird about "offset". This occurred on version 6.5 and now on 6.6.

First off, the documents say:

"the charsToSkip is a non-negative integer. If you don't specify how many charsToSkip, the offset function does not skip any items and starts at the beginning of the stringToSearch."

Note the use of the word "items".  Skipping characters vs skipping "items" is a different matter. In the revdocs that are online, the definition of "characters" to skip is correct.

But, that's not the end of the story. Offset does not appear to be working correctly anyway.

If I run the script:

   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
   put offset("c",theChars)

I get: 3, which is correct

If I do:
   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
   put offset("c",theChars,3)

I get 7.  ??? What the heck? It looks like it returns (the number of characters to the search char) - (# to skip).

But, if I do:
   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
   put offset("c",theChars,7)

I get: 3

So, something is very wrong with the offset command. I worked around this in a parsing script by always not skipping any characters, then after I found the first instance, deleting the characters I wanted to skip before the next offset invocation.

Seems like a bug to me. What do you think? Or is it only my system? Or is the use of the offset function some convoluted logic that's different from most other implementations of an offset function? What do I know? I'm new to Livecode.

Best,
Bill


William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org




From andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr  Sat Feb 22 12:53:58 2014
From: andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Bisseret?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:53:58 +0100
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <D7B06A85-FD7A-4642-A4C6-AE155E47FB78@wanadoo.fr>

Bonjour,

From liveCode Dictionnary:
"The value of a local variable is retained only while the handler is running. When the handler exits, the value of the local variable is lost.

The value of a script local variable is retained between handlers,"

For more information have a look at "local" in the dictionnary

Best regards

Andr?


Le 22 f?vr. 2014 ? 17:04, Earthednet-wp a ?crit :

> Mats' posting on encryption difficulties got me thinking about local variables. Are they supposed to persist after the script is done executing, so that the next time a handler within that script is called, they can be expected to hold previously set values? I notice that they don't. Or would this be a task for custom properties?
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 2:54 AM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Many thanks to Roger Eller, Jan Schenkel, Bill Vlahos and Paul Hibbert (off list) for helping me identify and workaround the issues I encountered.
>> 
>> Paul pointed out three things: I didn't the use "the text of Field ..."; how to overcome not being able to copy text from a field in an OS X standalone; and the final problem that was related to script local variables.
>> 
>> Using "the text of Field ..." instead of "Field ..." helped to more accurately copy and paste data. (I ended up displaying the encrypted data in Hex anyway.) 
>> 
>> I had found that I couldn't copy from a Field in an OS X standalone. Paul provide a script with group handlers to get around the problem. I have submitted a bug report which has been accepted - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11830
>> 
>> At this stage, I was still getting inconsistent results when encrypting data in the IDE or a standalone. Then Paul noticed how I was initialising the encryption parameters, namely the script local variables tPassword, tSalt, tIV:
>> 
>>   openStack
>>         put "" into Field "Encrypted"
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
>>   end openStack
>> 
>>   on encryptMSG
>>         ...
>>   end encryptMSG
>> 
>>   on decryptMSG
>>         ...
>>   end decryptMSG
>> 
>> He changed this to re-setting the three script local fields each time they were used:
>> 
>>   on openStack
>>         put "" into Field "Encrypted"
>>   end openStack
>> 
>>   command setPassCodes
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
>>         put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
>>   end setPassCodes
>> 
>>   on encryptMSG
>>         setPassCodes
>>         ...
>>   end encryptMSG
>> 
>>   on decryptMSG
>>         setPassCodes
>>         ...
>>   end decryptMSG
>> 
>> After making this change, I now get identical results when encrypting data with the stack in the IDE or as a standalone.
>> 
>> I have also entered a bug report for this - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 - I feel there is a bug but not in the encrypt/decrypt functions, it's in the handling of script local variables.
>> 
>> Once again, thanks for all the help.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 12:54:08 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:54:08 +0100
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO5o8Q-s8wxQELJDE5JEMWNm3N=jbvt2MTFLj6HFdvX+jg@mail.gmail.com>

2014-02-22 17:04 GMT+01:00 Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org>:
> Mats' posting on encryption difficulties got me thinking about local variables. Are they supposed to persist after the script is done executing, so that the next time a handler within that script is called, they can be expected to hold previously set values? I notice that they don't. Or would this be a task for custom properties?

Hi,

Create a simple stack, a field and a button with this script:

on mouseUp
   testlocal
   testlocal2
end mouseUp

on testlocal
   local x1
   add 1 to x1
   put "x1: " & x1 &cr after fld 1
end testlocal

local x2

on testlocal2
   add 1 to x2
   put "x2: " & x2 &cr after fld 1
end testlocal2


This should clarify your concern...

Regards,

Thierry

------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Feb 22 13:04:34 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:04:34 +0100
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <1F75423F-6659-4B04-9E9B-6573C47C68FD@major-k.de>

Hi Bill,

you have to add the CharsToSkip to the OFFSET by yourself!
See below...

Am 22.02.2014 um 18:49 schrieb prothero at earthednet.org:

> Folks:
> I think there is something weird about "offset". This occurred on version 6.5 and now on 6.6.
>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>   put offset("c",theChars)
> I get: 3, which is correct
> If I do:
>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>   put offset("c",theChars,3)
> I get 7.  ??? What the heck? It looks like it returns (the number of characters to the search char) - (# to skip).

7 + 3 = 10, which is correct.

> But, if I do:
>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>   put offset("c",theChars,7)
> I get: 3

3 + 7 = 10, which is also correct :-)

> So, something is very wrong with the offset command. I worked around this in a parsing script by always not skipping any characters, then after I found the first instance, deleting the characters I wanted to skip before the next offset invocation.
> 
> Seems like a bug to me. What do you think? Or is it only my system? Or is the use of the offset function some convoluted logic that's different from most other implementations of an offset function? What do I know? I'm new to Livecode.

From the docs: about "offset":
...
If you specify how many charsToSkip, the offset function skips the specified number of characters in the stringToSearch. 
The value returned is 
!!!!
relative to this starting point 
!!!
instead of the beginning of the stringToSearch.

> Best,
> Bill

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From th.douez at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 13:05:19 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 19:05:19 +0100
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO5eDXBD-J1jGmwVsBos2qLmvrgk1UgL-vsPL6diHg7ZEA@mail.gmail.com>

2014-02-22 18:49 GMT+01:00 prothero at earthednet.org <prothero at earthednet.org>:
> Folks:
> I think there is something weird about "offset". This occurred on version 6.5 and now on 6.6.
>
> First off, the documents say:
>
> "the charsToSkip is a non-negative integer. If you don't specify how many charsToSkip, the offset function does not skip any items and starts at the beginning of the stringToSearch."
>
> Note the use of the word "items".  Skipping characters vs skipping "items" is a
> different matter. In the revdocs that are online, the definition of "characters"
> to skip is correct.


You are right, offset() works only with characters (string)


> But, that's not the end of the story.
Offset does not appear to be working correctly anyway.
>
> If I run the script:
>
>    put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>    put offset("c",theChars)
>
> I get: 3, which is correct
>
> If I do:
>    put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>    put offset("c",theChars,3)
>
> I get 7.  ??? What the heck?

well, you can see these lines being equivalent:

    put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
    delete char 1 to 3 of theChars
    put offset("c",theChars)

and you'll get 7, which is right.

and doing the same for your next example, gives
you 3 which is right too.

>
> But, if I do:
>    put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>    put offset("c",theChars,7)
>
> I get: 3
>


HTH,

Thierry

------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf



From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Feb 22 13:17:24 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:17:24 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>

I think this is dependant on the Variable Preservation setting on the
Preferences Script Editor tab.

I use script local variables a lot in conjunction with handlers to access
them from other objects instead of custom properties.  I started doing it
because custom properties are visible to users in password protected stacks
whereas script local variables are not.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org>wrote:

> Mats' posting on encryption difficulties got me thinking about local
> variables. Are they supposed to persist after the script is done executing,
> so that the next time a handler within that script is called, they can be
> expected to hold previously set values? I notice that they don't. Or would
> this be a task for custom properties?
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
> > On Feb 22, 2014, at 2:54 AM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Many thanks to Roger Eller, Jan Schenkel, Bill Vlahos and Paul Hibbert
> (off list) for helping me identify and workaround the issues I encountered.
> >
> > Paul pointed out three things: I didn't the use "the text of Field ...";
> how to overcome not being able to copy text from a field in an OS X
> standalone; and the final problem that was related to script local
> variables.
> >
> > Using "the text of Field ..." instead of "Field ..." helped to more
> accurately copy and paste data. (I ended up displaying the encrypted data
> in Hex anyway.)
> >
> > I had found that I couldn't copy from a Field in an OS X standalone.
> Paul provide a script with group handlers to get around the problem. I have
> submitted a bug report which has been accepted -
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11830
> >
> > At this stage, I was still getting inconsistent results when encrypting
> data in the IDE or a standalone. Then Paul noticed how I was initialising
> the encryption parameters, namely the script local variables tPassword,
> tSalt, tIV:
> >
> >    openStack
> >          put "" into Field "Encrypted"
> >          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
> >          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
> >          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
> >    end openStack
> >
> >    on encryptMSG
> >          ...
> >    end encryptMSG
> >
> >    on decryptMSG
> >          ...
> >    end decryptMSG
> >
> > He changed this to re-setting the three script local fields each time
> they were used:
> >
> >    on openStack
> >          put "" into Field "Encrypted"
> >    end openStack
> >
> >    command setPassCodes
> >          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
> >          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
> >          put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
> >    end setPassCodes
> >
> >    on encryptMSG
> >          setPassCodes
> >          ...
> >    end encryptMSG
> >
> >    on decryptMSG
> >          setPassCodes
> >          ...
> >    end decryptMSG
> >
> > After making this change, I now get identical results when encrypting
> data with the stack in the IDE or as a standalone.
> >
> > I have also entered a bug report for this -
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 - I feel there is a bug
> but not in the encrypt/decrypt functions, it's in the handling of script
> local variables.
> >
> > Once again, thanks for all the help.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Peter
> > http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From paulhibbert at mac.com  Sat Feb 22 13:18:19 2014
From: paulhibbert at mac.com (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:18:19 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <D7B06A85-FD7A-4642-A4C6-AE155E47FB78@wanadoo.fr>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<D7B06A85-FD7A-4642-A4C6-AE155E47FB78@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <B1AB0D9E-F949-4941-B761-DEE8CC776684@mac.com>

That was part of the problem, the value wasn't being retained, maybe for different reasons.

The original stack script set the variable values on openStack, then a button script called the stack script handlers to do the encryption, this is where I saw the possibility for the dis-connection, because portions of the stack script were being accessed at separate times.

Another way to achieve the same result in this case would be to declare the script variables with values in the stack script.

e.g.:

local tPassword = "12345678123456781234567812345678"
local tSalt = "12345678123456781234567812345678"
local tIV = "12345678123456781234567812345678"

Often there are many different ways to achieve the same goal, the best way isn't always the most obvious at the time, but that's the beauty of this type of list.

Paul

On 2014-02-22, at 9:53 AM, Andr? Bisseret <andre.bisseret at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Bonjour,
> 
> From liveCode Dictionnary:
> "The value of a local variable is retained only while the handler is running. When the handler exits, the value of the local variable is lost.
> 
> The value of a script local variable is retained between handlers,"
> 
> For more information have a look at "local" in the dictionnary
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Andr?
> 
> 
> Le 22 f?vr. 2014 ? 17:04, Earthednet-wp a ?crit :
> 
>> Mats' posting on encryption difficulties got me thinking about local variables. Are they supposed to persist after the script is done executing, so that the next time a handler within that script is called, they can be expected to hold previously set values? I notice that they don't. Or would this be a task for custom properties?
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 2:54 AM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Many thanks to Roger Eller, Jan Schenkel, Bill Vlahos and Paul Hibbert (off list) for helping me identify and workaround the issues I encountered.
>>> 
>>> Paul pointed out three things: I didn't the use "the text of Field ..."; how to overcome not being able to copy text from a field in an OS X standalone; and the final problem that was related to script local variables.
>>> 
>>> Using "the text of Field ..." instead of "Field ..." helped to more accurately copy and paste data. (I ended up displaying the encrypted data in Hex anyway.) 
>>> 
>>> I had found that I couldn't copy from a Field in an OS X standalone. Paul provide a script with group handlers to get around the problem. I have submitted a bug report which has been accepted - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11830
>>> 
>>> At this stage, I was still getting inconsistent results when encrypting data in the IDE or a standalone. Then Paul noticed how I was initialising the encryption parameters, namely the script local variables tPassword, tSalt, tIV:
>>> 
>>>  openStack
>>>        put "" into Field "Encrypted"
>>>        put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
>>>        put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
>>>        put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
>>>  end openStack
>>> 
>>>  on encryptMSG
>>>        ...
>>>  end encryptMSG
>>> 
>>>  on decryptMSG
>>>        ...
>>>  end decryptMSG
>>> 
>>> He changed this to re-setting the three script local fields each time they were used:
>>> 
>>>  on openStack
>>>        put "" into Field "Encrypted"
>>>  end openStack
>>> 
>>>  command setPassCodes
>>>        put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tPassword
>>>        put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tSalt
>>>        put "12345678123456781234567812345678" into tIV
>>>  end setPassCodes
>>> 
>>>  on encryptMSG
>>>        setPassCodes
>>>        ...
>>>  end encryptMSG
>>> 
>>>  on decryptMSG
>>>        setPassCodes
>>>        ...
>>>  end decryptMSG
>>> 
>>> After making this change, I now get identical results when encrypting data with the stack in the IDE or as a standalone.
>>> 
>>> I have also entered a bug report for this - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 - I feel there is a bug but not in the encrypt/decrypt functions, it's in the handling of script local variables.
>>> 
>>> Once again, thanks for all the help.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
>>> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Feb 22 13:20:42 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:20:42 -0800
Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
In-Reply-To: <8D0FDAD827E775D-177C-B726@webmail-m283.sysops.aol.com>
References: <BFA1F44C-3CCA-4A13-9A0F-D038A5C3E95A@comcast.net>
	<8D0FDAD827E775D-177C-B726@webmail-m283.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOKLtboqa3xTmgujVrv9g8p7YjfSypCNLb7y=WXfAyKmQ@mail.gmail.com>

There is a great table object available from Bernd Niggermann
(modTableField) that includes a lot of the power of the datagrid but with
less complexity.  Bernd, care to chime in?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:21 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

> Bob is probably right about the fact that you may run out of functional
> power with a table field. But I use them whenever I can, since they are
> much simpler and easier to manage.
>
>
> A phantom field is indeed created when you double-click on a "cell". Put
> this in the card script:
>
>
>
> on selectionchanged
>    put the name of the last field
> end selectionchanged
>
>
> Double click, and you can see that field. This may give you a pathway to
> fooling around with the table field workings.
>
>
> Craig NEwman
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net>
> To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 11:00 pm
> Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
>
>
> If I check "basic table object" in the field property inspector, and
> check "Edit cell," clicking on the table field causes a small
> unlocked field to be created at the cell's location, which on tab or
> arrowkey has its contents written to the cell.
>
> Is there some way to have a script trap the relevant information
> about what is going on, e.g., that a cell has just been "opened for
> editing", that a cell has just been edited, which cell it is, etc.?
>
> I assume that this "Edit Cell" activity is governed by a script that
> is reading a custom property, but I see no indication that the field
> actually has such a property or where the script is.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> David Epstein
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Feb 22 13:25:00 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:25:00 -0800
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill,
If you specify a number of characters to skip, the offset that is returned
is relative to that number, not the start of the string.  So if you specify
7 characters to skip and the character you are looking for is the 10th
character in the string, you will get (10-7) or 3 as the result.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:49 AM, prothero at earthednet.org <
prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Folks:
> I think there is something weird about "offset". This occurred on version
> 6.5 and now on 6.6.
>
> First off, the documents say:
>
> "the charsToSkip is a non-negative integer. If you don't specify how many
> charsToSkip, the offset function does not skip any items and starts at the
> beginning of the stringToSearch."
>
> Note the use of the word "items".  Skipping characters vs skipping "items"
> is a different matter. In the revdocs that are online, the definition of
> "characters" to skip is correct.
>
> But, that's not the end of the story. Offset does not appear to be working
> correctly anyway.
>
> If I run the script:
>
>    put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>    put offset("c",theChars)
>
> I get: 3, which is correct
>
> If I do:
>    put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>    put offset("c",theChars,3)
>
> I get 7.  ??? What the heck? It looks like it returns (the number of
> characters to the search char) - (# to skip).
>
> But, if I do:
>    put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>    put offset("c",theChars,7)
>
> I get: 3
>
> So, something is very wrong with the offset command. I worked around this
> in a parsing script by always not skipping any characters, then after I
> found the first instance, deleting the characters I wanted to skip before
> the next offset invocation.
>
> Seems like a bug to me. What do you think? Or is it only my system? Or is
> the use of the offset function some convoluted logic that's different from
> most other implementations of an offset function? What do I know? I'm new
> to Livecode.
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Feb 22 13:32:30 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (prothero at earthednet.org)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 10:32:30 -0800
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96422B1E-FE74-41E3-A3E1-7C11CE080C3A@earthednet.org>

Folks:
I get it. It seems an odd way to implement it, though. Anyway, a clarification in the docs would help the confusion, and the use of the word "items" in the docs is definitely confusing.

Another thing that confuses me, as a newbie, is the free interchangeable use of "handler" and "script". In my understanding, a "script" is the entire collection of handlers within an object. A handler is what comes between the "on someName" and the "end someName" or the "function someName" and the "end someName". I am still not clear on the limits of how many "scripts" in the front scripts and whether the limit applies to "scripts" or "handlers".

Minor frustrations all, because i do like livecode and have been feeling very productive using it.

Best,
Bill
William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org



On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Hi Bill,
> If you specify a number of characters to skip, the offset that is returned
> is relative to that number, not the start of the string.  So if you specify
> 7 characters to skip and the character you are looking for is the 10th
> character in the string, you will get (10-7) or 3 as the result.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:49 AM, prothero at earthednet.org <
> prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Folks:
>> I think there is something weird about "offset". This occurred on version
>> 6.5 and now on 6.6.
>> 
>> First off, the documents say:
>> 
>> "the charsToSkip is a non-negative integer. If you don't specify how many
>> charsToSkip, the offset function does not skip any items and starts at the
>> beginning of the stringToSearch."
>> 
>> Note the use of the word "items".  Skipping characters vs skipping "items"
>> is a different matter. In the revdocs that are online, the definition of
>> "characters" to skip is correct.
>> 
>> But, that's not the end of the story. Offset does not appear to be working
>> correctly anyway.
>> 
>> If I run the script:
>> 
>>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>>   put offset("c",theChars)
>> 
>> I get: 3, which is correct
>> 
>> If I do:
>>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>>   put offset("c",theChars,3)
>> 
>> I get 7.  ??? What the heck? It looks like it returns (the number of
>> characters to the search char) - (# to skip).
>> 
>> But, if I do:
>>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>>   put offset("c",theChars,7)
>> 
>> I get: 3
>> 
>> So, something is very wrong with the offset command. I worked around this
>> in a parsing script by always not skipping any characters, then after I
>> found the first instance, deleting the characters I wanted to skip before
>> the next offset invocation.
>> 
>> Seems like a bug to me. What do you think? Or is it only my system? Or is
>> the use of the offset function some convoluted logic that's different from
>> most other implementations of an offset function? What do I know? I'm new
>> to Livecode.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb 22 13:56:42 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:56:42 -0600
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/22/14, 12:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> I think this is dependant on the Variable Preservation setting on the
> Preferences Script Editor tab.

It is, but there's a bug in it somewhere. I use script locals 
extensively and they always worked until somewhere around version 6.x. 
After that the values were occasionally lost. Every subsequent version 
has made the problem worse, and now I lose them so often that I've had 
to add a reload of the values to almost every handler I'm debugging.

Since I can't find a consistent recipe (sometimes they do work) I 
haven't reported it yet, but it's making my life difficult. All I know 
is that it happens some time after I change a script, but not every 
time, so I'm at a loss.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sat Feb 22 14:21:33 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:21:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOKLtboqa3xTmgujVrv9g8p7YjfSypCNLb7y=WXfAyKmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BFA1F44C-3CCA-4A13-9A0F-D038A5C3E95A@comcast.net>
	<8D0FDAD827E775D-177C-B726@webmail-m283.sysops.aol.com>
	<CAGDT7eOKLtboqa3xTmgujVrv9g8p7YjfSypCNLb7y=WXfAyKmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1393096893121-4676219.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Peter,

yes I did a modifiedTableField which is a variant of the table field.

It has evolved from the one I announced on the list and allows data entry
and some more fancy things.
I just uploaded the current version. It is not finished but the api calls
are documented.

http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/modTableField/modTableField_0_2_6pub.livecode.zip

For any specific questions feel free to email me.

Kind regards
Bernd



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Edit-cell-in-basic-table-field-tp4676192p4676219.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sat Feb 22 14:33:39 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 11:33:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Tracing Stack (was: the points of graphic)
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO6-iBHWPc5atKJgSDHFoeq=J2SZoRANQ+CyFjgBnggXAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <267AA3F2-28DE-4BEB-AB02-AADCC99FDDA5@dsa-net.dk>
	<1390515841584-4674979.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1391814014669-4675591.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1393076637311-4676199.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAO8ucO6-iBHWPc5atKJgSDHFoeq=J2SZoRANQ+CyFjgBnggXAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1393097619555-4676220.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Thierry, Mats

thank you for your kind words.

@Mats
> You're on the way to build an image to vector converter for LC

If I knew how to count to three I would certainly try that :)

Kind regards
Bernd



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Tracing-Stack-was-the-points-of-graphic-tp4674846p4676220.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 14:35:25 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:35:25 +0200
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com>

Sorry: Neanderthal question time:

I cannot see anything about charsToSkip in the inbuilt (i.e. in the IDE) 
documentation (6.6. dp1).

Went round in circles on the website.

---------------------

Anyway:

I set up a boring little stack with a fld "fORIGIN" conatinong "The 
quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"

and that was jolly nice,

then I set up another fld called "fREZ"

and a button with this script:

on mouseUp
    put empty into fld "fREZ"
    put fld "fORIGIN" into ORIGIN
    put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
    put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
    put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
end mouseUp


in the hope I would get something like "13, 18, 27," in fld "fREZ"

but all I got was "13, 13, 13"

so I really cannot see what the utility of 'offset' is at all.

---------------------------------

I made another button with this script:

on mouseUp
    put empty into fld "fREZ"
    put 1 into INDEKS
    repeat until char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is empty
    if char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is "o" then
      put INDEKS & ", " after fld "fREZ"
   elseon mouseUp
    put empty into fld "fREZ"
    put 1 into INDEKS
    repeat until char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is empty
    if char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is "o" then
      put INDEKS & ", " after fld "fREZ"
   else
      --do nix
   end if
   put (INDEKS + 1) into INDEKS
   end repeat
end mouseUp
      --do nix
   end if
   put (INDEKS + 1) into INDEKS
   end repeat
end mouseUp

and that returned "13, 18, 27, 42"

a whole lot more useful.

-----------------------------------

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 14:38:41 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 21:38:41 +0200
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5308FCC1.9060001@gmail.com>

On 22/02/14 21:35, Richmond wrote:
> Sorry: Neanderthal question time:
>
> I cannot see anything about charsToSkip in the inbuilt (i.e. in the 
> IDE) documentation (6.6. dp1).
>
> Went round in circles on the website.
>
> ---------------------
>
> Anyway:
>
> I set up a boring little stack with a fld "fORIGIN" conatinong "The 
> quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
>
> and that was jolly nice,
>
> then I set up another fld called "fREZ"
>
> and a button with this script:
>
> on mouseUp
>    put empty into fld "fREZ"
>    put fld "fORIGIN" into ORIGIN
>    put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>    put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>    put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> in the hope I would get something like "13, 18, 27," in fld "fREZ"
>
> but all I got was "13, 13, 13"
>
> so I really cannot see what the utility of 'offset' is at all.
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> I made another button with this script:
>
> on mouseUp
>    put empty into fld "fREZ"
>    put 1 into INDEKS
>    repeat until char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is empty
>    if char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is "o" then
>      put INDEKS & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>   else
>      --do nix
>   end if
>   put (INDEKS + 1) into INDEKS
>   end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
>
> and that returned "13, 18, 27, 42"
>
> a whole lot more useful.
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> Richmond.

Sorry about the previous post: trembly fingers on the PASTE button :P




From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Feb 22 15:15:18 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:15:18 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOmT+=TVX-BuRPMk=DVu71C1E_8u0ziV3_zGM5fC9MqiA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jacque,
I've definitely seen values disappear after compiling the script for a long
time but didn't worry abut it too much since that only happens during
development not in production versions.

Like you, I haven't been able to come up with a recipe to reliably
reproduce it.


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 10:56 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 2/22/14, 12:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> I think this is dependant on the Variable Preservation setting on the
>> Preferences Script Editor tab.
>>
>
> It is, but there's a bug in it somewhere. I use script locals extensively
> and they always worked until somewhere around version 6.x. After that the
> values were occasionally lost. Every subsequent version has made the
> problem worse, and now I lose them so often that I've had to add a reload
> of the values to almost every handler I'm debugging.
>
> Since I can't find a consistent recipe (sometimes they do work) I haven't
> reported it yet, but it's making my life difficult. All I know is that it
> happens some time after I change a script, but not every time, so I'm at a
> loss.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Feb 22 15:21:06 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:21:06 -0800
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <96422B1E-FE74-41E3-A3E1-7C11CE080C3A@earthednet.org>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<96422B1E-FE74-41E3-A3E1-7C11CE080C3A@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePc++kj071VP2FZkebs_-CFP4QH84+QrHdrvy4wXZQZ2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I found it a bit odd too when I discovered it.  I found that I was often
using the chars to skip parameter in a repeat loop and now I usually avoid
it by deleting the characters from the beginning of the string to the
offset each time around the loop.  May or may not work for you depending on
what you are trying to do.


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, prothero at earthednet.org <
prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Folks:
> I get it. It seems an odd way to implement it, though. Anyway, a
> clarification in the docs would help the confusion, and the use of the word
> "items" in the docs is definitely confusing.
>
> Another thing that confuses me, as a newbie, is the free interchangeable
> use of "handler" and "script". In my understanding, a "script" is the
> entire collection of handlers within an object. A handler is what comes
> between the "on someName" and the "end someName" or the "function someName"
> and the "end someName". I am still not clear on the limits of how many
> "scripts" in the front scripts and whether the limit applies to "scripts"
> or "handlers".
>
> Minor frustrations all, because i do like livecode and have been feeling
> very productive using it.
>
> Best,
> Bill
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Bill,
> > If you specify a number of characters to skip, the offset that is
> returned
> > is relative to that number, not the start of the string.  So if you
> specify
> > 7 characters to skip and the character you are looking for is the 10th
> > character in the string, you will get (10-7) or 3 as the result.
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:49 AM, prothero at earthednet.org <
> > prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Folks:
> >> I think there is something weird about "offset". This occurred on
> version
> >> 6.5 and now on 6.6.
> >>
> >> First off, the documents say:
> >>
> >> "the charsToSkip is a non-negative integer. If you don't specify how
> many
> >> charsToSkip, the offset function does not skip any items and starts at
> the
> >> beginning of the stringToSearch."
> >>
> >> Note the use of the word "items".  Skipping characters vs skipping
> "items"
> >> is a different matter. In the revdocs that are online, the definition of
> >> "characters" to skip is correct.
> >>
> >> But, that's not the end of the story. Offset does not appear to be
> working
> >> correctly anyway.
> >>
> >> If I run the script:
> >>
> >>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
> >>   put offset("c",theChars)
> >>
> >> I get: 3, which is correct
> >>
> >> If I do:
> >>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
> >>   put offset("c",theChars,3)
> >>
> >> I get 7.  ??? What the heck? It looks like it returns (the number of
> >> characters to the search char) - (# to skip).
> >>
> >> But, if I do:
> >>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
> >>   put offset("c",theChars,7)
> >>
> >> I get: 3
> >>
> >> So, something is very wrong with the offset command. I worked around
> this
> >> in a parsing script by always not skipping any characters, then after I
> >> found the first instance, deleting the characters I wanted to skip
> before
> >> the next offset invocation.
> >>
> >> Seems like a bug to me. What do you think? Or is it only my system? Or
> is
> >> the use of the offset function some convoluted logic that's different
> from
> >> most other implementations of an offset function? What do I know? I'm
> new
> >> to Livecode.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
> >> William Prothero
> >> http://es.earthednet.org
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Feb 22 15:40:10 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:40:10 -0800
Subject: Importing CDs
In-Reply-To: <D1343A61-AA06-46E6-8E54-A7021525566B@gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOGNV=V__JeL80H10fGVZ6zftNhPg-XeAhX3ni=UP0s6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1343A61-AA06-46E6-8E54-A7021525566B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOa10jEZtH9pgeR44kcz-VmeQZE80kUqq9Y6tTa5V+Oig@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter.  I think his library is more about communicating with iTunes
to play music that's already in its library.  I'm looking for something
that will do the equivalent of an iTunes Import CD.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom McGrath has an iTunes Library Suite somewhere, I bet his handlers will
> let you do what you want.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
> On Feb 21, 2014, at 5:09 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> > Is there a library anywhere for importing a CD along with its metadata
> into
> > Livecode?
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 15:58:30 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 12:58:30 -0800
Subject: fields that continue being editable in edit tool mode
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFzwGY4yg4pV_FC6DX31VBfAsSE_+AHKYWC2jTxPbTtgg@mail.gmail.com>

I had problems with this a while back, and now it's happening again.

I have fields that decide that they're still live in edit mode, and can't
be selected.
When the cursor enters them, it changes to a text tool.

I can't see any properties set differently in the inspectors for these.

Last time, I solved it by deleting and replacing them, but now there are
enough custom properties set, as well as attention to depth order, that it
would be a large amount of work to do so.
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb 22 16:49:36 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:49:36 -0600
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/22/14, 1:35 PM, Richmond wrote:
> Sorry: Neanderthal question time:
>
> I cannot see anything about charsToSkip in the inbuilt (i.e. in the IDE)
> documentation (6.6. dp1).

It's the third parameter in the "offset" function. See "offset" in the 
dictionary.

> I set up a boring little stack with a fld "fORIGIN" conatinong "The
> quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
>
> and that was jolly nice,
>
> then I set up another fld called "fREZ"
>
> and a button with this script:
>
> on mouseUp
>     put empty into fld "fREZ"
>     put fld "fORIGIN" into ORIGIN
>     put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>     put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>     put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> in the hope I would get something like "13, 18, 27," in fld "fREZ"
>
> but all I got was "13, 13, 13"
>
> so I really cannot see what the utility of 'offset' is at all.

Oh ye of little faith. That's what we've been talking about; every 
instance of "offset" starts at the beginning of the string unless you 
include the number of characters to skip as the third parameter.

This is a much faster way to get all instances of an offset in a block 
of text, exactly parallel to the differences between "repeat with x" and 
"repeat for each". Like "for each," offset will read from the current 
marked location rather than counting from the top during each iteration, 
provided you include the third parameter. Your example handler doesn't 
use the parameter, so of course you're getting the same offset repeatedly.

If there is a third parameter, then offset will start counting from that 
point, and return the number of characters from that location in the 
text to the next instance of the character. It's up to you to add that 
number to the current "skip" location in order to keep the marker moving 
along.

This should do what you want:

function getAllOffsets pData,pChar -- find all instances of a char
   put 0 into tSkip -- start at beginning
   repeat
     put offset(pChar,pData,tSkip) into tNextOffset -- chars since skip 
point
     if tNextOffset = 0 then exit repeat -- no more found
     add tNextOffset to tSkip -- move the marker
     put tSkip & comma after tRes -- store it
   end repeat
   return tRes
end getAllOffsets

This should be much faster than your "repeat" example (which counts 
characters from the top during each iteration) or a version that deletes 
characters from the original data. Try some comparison timings with a 
very large block of text.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Feb 22 16:50:54 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 22:50:54 +0100
Subject: fields that continue being editable in edit tool mode
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFzwGY4yg4pV_FC6DX31VBfAsSE_+AHKYWC2jTxPbTtgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFzwGY4yg4pV_FC6DX31VBfAsSE_+AHKYWC2jTxPbTtgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53091BBE.4090605@economy-x-talk.com>

Richard,

If I set the cantSelect of a field to true, I can click in it and the 
text cursor will start blinking, but I can't type in it (on Windows). Is 
this what you are seeing? If you set the cantSelect of the field to 
false, it should be editable with the pointer tool again.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/22/2014 21:58, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> I had problems with this a while back, and now it's happening again.
>
> I have fields that decide that they're still live in edit mode, and can't
> be selected.
> When the cursor enters them, it changes to a text tool.
>
> I can't see any properties set differently in the inspectors for these.
>
> Last time, I solved it by deleting and replacing them, but now there are
> enough custom properties set, as well as attention to depth order, that it
> would be a large amount of work to do so.
>



From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Feb 22 16:58:33 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (prothero at earthednet.org)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 13:58:33 -0800
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <0EAB8341-D570-44B5-B81D-BADA0AC9F96D@westrac.com.au>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>,
	<CAP6oXhZJD_4RrqJ_jtEjP-n5fTkAhcBzAx3BVC+T22DO6+QA9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<0EAB8341-D570-44B5-B81D-BADA0AC9F96D@westrac.com.au>
Message-ID: <8F353D22-D95D-4602-88C0-8B2EC9479FD2@earthednet.org>

A nice enhancement would be for a LC plug-in that would translate a stack interface to one that would look the same on the web, using css, perhaps javascript too. 

It's beyond what I would want to take on, given my minimal css and javascript expertise, but I'd pay some bucks for a plug-in that helped me create nice web interfaces using the livecode server.

Bill
William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org



On Feb 21, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Nakia Brewer <Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The forms to fill out need to be a link on a site an organisation has access to.
> 
> They would prefer for the users not to have to log in (they don't need to see history etc of what they submitted once it's approved)
> 
> As the form moves along its approval chain or workflow the emails back to the requester contain links to the form where they can view where it's up to (and print etc)
> 
> From a management perspective they too get emails when they have forms awaiting approval but they mostly currently view this via a dashboard which contains a report linked to all submitted instances of that form. This is a portal they sign into. This report has a link to the form instance so they can open and  process it right from the report.
> 
> 




From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Feb 22 17:02:04 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (prothero at earthednet.org)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 14:02:04 -0800
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <8F353D22-D95D-4602-88C0-8B2EC9479FD2@earthednet.org>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>,
	<CAP6oXhZJD_4RrqJ_jtEjP-n5fTkAhcBzAx3BVC+T22DO6+QA9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<0EAB8341-D570-44B5-B81D-BADA0AC9F96D@westrac.com.au>
	<8F353D22-D95D-4602-88C0-8B2EC9479FD2@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <E8D8E371-9692-4223-ADAB-471709428506@earthednet.org>

Folks:
Are there any docs on the assert function? Seems like it might be useful, but searching the livecode site and the docs turns up nothing.
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org






From vclement at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 17:38:44 2014
From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 15:38:44 -0700
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <E8D8E371-9692-4223-ADAB-471709428506@earthednet.org>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<CAP6oXhZJD_4RrqJ_jtEjP-n5fTkAhcBzAx3BVC+T22DO6+QA9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<0EAB8341-D570-44B5-B81D-BADA0AC9F96D@westrac.com.au>
	<8F353D22-D95D-4602-88C0-8B2EC9479FD2@earthednet.org>
	<E8D8E371-9692-4223-ADAB-471709428506@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAP6oXhbc5t=v5fg9hA=AkNE8OCewA-MKWY=Kn=sdNxL1SDTRCg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nakia

I tried to chat with you on my site but you blocked me. You might try my
email.

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
*http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/
<http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/>*
Skype: vaughn.clement
https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement
FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
LogMeIn also avaialble
Call on "ooVoo" at address:  vaughnclement or 9282549062
Ph. 928-254-9062



On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 3:02 PM, prothero at earthednet.org <
prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Folks:
> Are there any docs on the assert function? Seems like it might be useful,
> but searching the livecode site and the docs turns up nothing.
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au  Sat Feb 22 17:50:58 2014
From: Nakia.Brewer at westrac.com.au (Nakia Brewer)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 22:50:58 +0000
Subject: Web Apps
In-Reply-To: <CAP6oXhbc5t=v5fg9hA=AkNE8OCewA-MKWY=Kn=sdNxL1SDTRCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE356@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<CAP6oXhZ-OZUiHdswNxGJjeeyWay1H4kn3VoyokCLfSUC=q2P=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<67116DB20798A94285EEE12A67079A283CDDE6FC@MHSEXC01.westrac.com.au>
	<CAP6oXhZJD_4RrqJ_jtEjP-n5fTkAhcBzAx3BVC+T22DO6+QA9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<0EAB8341-D570-44B5-B81D-BADA0AC9F96D@westrac.com.au>
	<8F353D22-D95D-4602-88C0-8B2EC9479FD2@earthednet.org>
	<E8D8E371-9692-4223-ADAB-471709428506@earthednet.org>,
	<CAP6oXhbc5t=v5fg9hA=AkNE8OCewA-MKWY=Kn=sdNxL1SDTRCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D54BF0DA-8C8D-42DF-935F-BF007D2C8F3B@westrac.com.au>

Hi Vaughan,

Didn't see anything come up when I was browsing away...

Anyway, I'll drop you an email.



Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Feb 2014, at 9:39 am, "Vaughn Clement" <vclement at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nakia
> 
> I tried to chat with you on my site but you blocked me. You might try my
> email.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Vaughn Clement
> 
> Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
> *http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/
> <http://www.appsbyvaughnclement.com/tools/home-page/>*
> Skype: vaughn.clement
> https://secure.join.me/appsbyvclement
> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
> LogMeIn also avaialble
> Call on "ooVoo" at address:  vaughnclement or 9282549062
> Ph. 928-254-9062
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 3:02 PM, prothero at earthednet.org <
> prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Folks:
>> Are there any docs on the assert function? Seems like it might be useful,
>> but searching the livecode site and the docs turns up nothing.
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 

COPYRIGHT / DISCLAIMER: This message and/or including attached files may contain confidential proprietary or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from using, reproducing, disclosing or distributing the information contained in this email without authorisation from WesTrac. If you have received this message in error please contact WesTrac on +61 8 9377 9444. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. We reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications.





From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Feb 22 19:45:44 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (prothero at earthednet.org)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 16:45:44 -0800
Subject: Assert docs?
Message-ID: <87A7577D-0A08-4118-B69B-914D66E4B1E0@earthednet.org>

Folks:
Are there any docs for how to use the "assert" statement? I can't find any by searching the live code site or the dictionary.
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org






From peterwawood at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 19:49:29 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 08:49:29 +0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>

Hi Jacque

On 23 Feb 2014, at 02:56, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> It is, but there's a bug in it somewhere. I use script locals extensively and they always worked until somewhere around version 6.x. After that the values were occasionally lost. Every subsequent version has made the problem worse, and now I lose them so often that I've had to add a reload of the values to almost every handler I'm debugging.

> Since I can't find a consistent recipe (sometimes they do work) I haven't reported it yet, but it's making my life difficult. All I know is that it happens some time after I change a script, but not every time, so I'm at a loss.

With everyone's help, I think that I have found a recipe that demonstrates the problem. Perhaps somebody else could try it. I build a simple stack with a scrolling field ("Field") and a button ("Button"). The stack script is this:

local tMyScriptLocal1
local tMyScriptLocal2 = "ghijk"
local tMyScriptLocal3

on openStack
   put "abcde" into tMyScriptLocal1
end openStack

command initLocal3
   put "lmnop" into tMyScriptLocal3
end initLocal3

on buttonClick
   initLocal3
   put tMyScriptLocal1 & linefeed after Field "Field"
   put tMyScriptLocal2 & linefeed after Field "Field"
   put tMyScriptLocal3 & linefeed after Field "Field"
end buttonClick

The Button script is this:

on mouseUp
   buttonClick
end mouseUp

If you run the script in the IDE, a button click will display:

abcde
ghijk
lmnop

Now Save As Standalone and then click the button again. It will display:


ghijk
lmnop

If somebody can confirm this behaviour, I will submit it to the QA Centre (either adding it to the existing report or adding a new one).

Regards

Peter




From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 20:22:02 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:22:02 -0800
Subject: fields that continue being editable in edit tool mode
In-Reply-To: <53091BBE.4090605@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CANQHZSFzwGY4yg4pV_FC6DX31VBfAsSE_+AHKYWC2jTxPbTtgg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53091BBE.4090605@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHRQPXXoiAgi4SQnyc87xgNCMyp+Mqxnp0UWU7_+JM5ZA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> If I set the cantSelect of a field to true, I can click in it and the text
> cursor will start blinking, but I can't type in it (on Windows). Is this
> what you are seeing? If you set the cantSelect of the field to false, it
> should be editable with the pointer tool again.
>

But according to the messagebox, the cantSelect of the offending fields is
already false.

Oh, for crying out loud, the cantSelect of the *group* the fields are in is
true.

Fixing that solved it.

Thanks so much.

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Feb 22 20:30:40 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 17:30:40 -0800
Subject: Assert docs?
In-Reply-To: <87A7577D-0A08-4118-B69B-914D66E4B1E0@earthednet.org>
References: <87A7577D-0A08-4118-B69B-914D66E4B1E0@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMd-dpNW=T0iEP+1tmjxN_J2iRfH+hkddpNHJgt4i3+Jw@mail.gmail.com>

Only in the release notes for 6.6

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 4:45 PM, prothero at earthednet.org <
prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Folks:
> Are there any docs for how to use the "assert" statement? I can't find any
> by searching the live code site or the dictionary.
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb 22 21:04:30 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 20:04:30 -0600
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/22/14, 6:49 PM, Peter W A Wood wrote:

> local tMyScriptLocal1
> local tMyScriptLocal2 = "ghijk"
> local tMyScriptLocal3

I'm not sure it's a fair test. As far as I know, you can't assign a 
value to a script local that way, though you can if it's a constant. 
Actually, I'm kind of surprised it works in the IDE.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Feb 22 21:26:31 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:26:31 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>
	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Uh, oh -- I do this all the time.

Is this really not supposed to work?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 2/22/14 6:04 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

>>
>>local tMyScriptLocal1
>>local tMyScriptLocal2 = "ghijk"
>>local tMyScriptLocal3
>
>I'm not sure it's a fair test. As far as I know, you can't assign a
>value to a script local that way, though you can if it's a constant.
>Actually, I'm kind of surprised it works in the IDE.





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Feb 22 21:42:32 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 18:42:32 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>
	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <17181236917.20140222184232@ahsoftware.net>

Scott-

Saturday, February 22, 2014, 6:26:31 PM, you wrote:

> Uh, oh -- I do this all the time.

> Is this really not supposed to work?

It sometimes works, but it's not legal syntax.
I don't know of any particular reason why not, but it's not.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb 22 21:50:30 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 20:50:30 -0600
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <530961F6.2020906@hyperactivesw.com>

Well, I didn't *think* it was allowed. I confess I never used script 
locals that way. If I need to assign a permanent value, I use a constant:

   constant kVar = 1234

If the IDE accomodates script locals with assignments, then maybe 
something changed. Apparently it doesn't work in standalones.

Or maybe this is a clue to the larger issue of lost script locals.


On 2/22/14, 8:26 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Uh, oh -- I do this all the time.
>
> Is this really not supposed to work?
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
> On 2/22/14 6:04 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> local tMyScriptLocal1
>>> local tMyScriptLocal2 = "ghijk"
>>> local tMyScriptLocal3
>>
>> I'm not sure it's a fair test. As far as I know, you can't assign a
>> value to a script local that way, though you can if it's a constant.
>> Actually, I'm kind of surprised it works in the IDE.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb 22 21:51:38 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 20:51:38 -0600
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <5309623A.9090307@hyperactivesw.com>

I take it back. The dictionary says you can do it. Whaddya know.


On 2/22/14, 8:26 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Uh, oh -- I do this all the time.
>
> Is this really not supposed to work?
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
>
> On 2/22/14 6:04 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> local tMyScriptLocal1
>>> local tMyScriptLocal2 = "ghijk"
>>> local tMyScriptLocal3
>>
>> I'm not sure it's a fair test. As far as I know, you can't assign a
>> value to a script local that way, though you can if it's a constant.
>> Actually, I'm kind of surprised it works in the IDE.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb 22 21:58:35 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 20:58:35 -0600
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <17181236917.20140222184232@ahsoftware.net>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>	<CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<17181236917.20140222184232@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <530963DB.1010606@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/22/14, 8:42 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Scott-
>
> Saturday, February 22, 2014, 6:26:31 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Uh, oh -- I do this all the time.
>
>> Is this really not supposed to work?
>
> It sometimes works, but it's not legal syntax.
> I don't know of any particular reason why not, but it's not.
>

They must have changed it when you and I weren't looking. Variable 
assignments are even listed in the examples in the dictionary entry for 
"local". I may have to read the whole dictionary again to see what else 
I've missed.

I may also have found a clue to disappearing locals. The same entry says 
this: "If variable preservation is turned on, script locals retain their 
values when the script is re-compiled, unless there is an error in the 
script."

I'm quite sure I've produced enough errors to have destroyed a few 
script locals in my time, so maybe that's what's wrong. I'll try to pay 
more attention.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dfepstein at comcast.net  Sat Feb 22 22:05:12 2014
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2014 22:05:12 -0500
Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
Message-ID: <DE0C7761-958C-4FBA-AE10-81D40C7DF89F@comcast.net>

Thanks very much for the suggestions of other tools and the script  
that would help me write my own.  But before giving up completely on  
the basic table, I'm trying to understand how it works (and, in the  
process, more about how LiveCode works).

Inspecting "the frontscripts", I discovered that the handlers  
governing basic table fields are in the script of button "revTable"  
of group "revLibraries" of stack "revLibrary."

1.  Hoping to see table-editing in action, I set a checkpoint at the  
beginning of the "on mouseUp" handler in that script.  But clicking  
the field did not cause execution to halt or the debugger to open.   
Are LiveCode's own frontscripts not debuggable by the user?

2.  It looks like if I am willing to edit LiveCode's own frontscript,  
I can get the information I want.  When I insert this statement
send "cellWasEdited pObject,txCell,tyCell,tNewText" to pObject
into the frontscript's "revWriteCellField" handler, I can handle a  
"cellWasEdited" message in my table field's script.

Doing this would mean my stack would not work on someone else's  
machine.  I also wonder whether fiddling with LiveCode's scripts is  
hazardous, or if there are better ways of doing this.  (I tried  
inserting my own closeField handler in front, and having it pass  
closeField on to LC's frontscript.  This did not work.  And some of  
the useful information is stored as script local variables by LC's  
frontscript, which doesn't give me access to it in my own script.)

Any thoughts?

David Epstein

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 04:57:57 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:57:57 +0200
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com>
	<53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5309C625.5090102@gmail.com>

On 22/02/14 23:49, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/22/14, 1:35 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> Sorry: Neanderthal question time:
>>
>> I cannot see anything about charsToSkip in the inbuilt (i.e. in the IDE)
>> documentation (6.6. dp1).
>
> It's the third parameter in the "offset" function. See "offset" in the 
> dictionary.
>
>> I set up a boring little stack with a fld "fORIGIN" conatinong "The
>> quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
>>
>> and that was jolly nice,
>>
>> then I set up another fld called "fREZ"
>>
>> and a button with this script:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>     put empty into fld "fREZ"
>>     put fld "fORIGIN" into ORIGIN
>>     put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>>     put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>>     put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>> in the hope I would get something like "13, 18, 27," in fld "fREZ"
>>
>> but all I got was "13, 13, 13"
>>
>> so I really cannot see what the utility of 'offset' is at all.
>
> Oh ye of little faith. That's what we've been talking about; every 
> instance of "offset" starts at the beginning of the string unless you 
> include the number of characters to skip as the third parameter.
>
> This is a much faster way to get all instances of an offset in a block 
> of text, exactly parallel to the differences between "repeat with x" 
> and "repeat for each". Like "for each," offset will read from the 
> current marked location rather than counting from the top during each 
> iteration, provided you include the third parameter. Your example 
> handler doesn't use the parameter, so of course you're getting the 
> same offset repeatedly.
>
> If there is a third parameter, then offset will start counting from 
> that point, and return the number of characters from that location in 
> the text to the next instance of the character. It's up to you to add 
> that number to the current "skip" location in order to keep the marker 
> moving along.
>
> This should do what you want:
>
> function getAllOffsets pData,pChar -- find all instances of a char
>   put 0 into tSkip -- start at beginning
>   repeat
>     put offset(pChar,pData,tSkip) into tNextOffset -- chars since skip 
> point
>     if tNextOffset = 0 then exit repeat -- no more found
>     add tNextOffset to tSkip -- move the marker
>     put tSkip & comma after tRes -- store it
>   end repeat
>   return tRes
> end getAllOffsets
>
> This should be much faster than your "repeat" example (which counts 
> characters from the top during each iteration) or a version that 
> deletes characters from the original data. Try some comparison timings 
> with a very large block of text.
>

  You AVOIDED commenting on this:

/I made another button with this script:
//
//  on mouseUp
//     put empty into fld "fREZ"
//     put 1 into INDEKS
//     repeat until char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is empty
//     if char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is "o" then
//       put INDEKS & ", " after fld "fREZ"
//    else
//       --do nix
//    end if
//    put (INDEKS + 1) into INDEKS
//    end repeat
//  end mouseUp
//
//  and that returned "13, 18, 27, 42"
//
//  a whole lot more useful./


No need to work out how far to hop!

Richmond.


From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Feb 23 05:30:58 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:30:58 +0100
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <530963DB.1010606@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>
	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<17181236917.20140222184232@ahsoftware.net>
	<530963DB.1010606@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <2EF925FB-132E-4AF1-A81D-0D07BF6CF6F4@mac.com>

I've just read that bit of the dictionary and I'm equally surprised. I also think I  must have completely misunderstood it, because I can't see how it can work. The value of a script local variable (unless it's predefined using an '=' construction) is undefined until a script is run, and is then only defined when an executing script puts something into the variable. A script can only be run when the program is executing. When the program containing the script quits, any information in variables, global or local, is lost because one can't normally save an executable stack outside the IDE (yes, I know about splash stacks and such, but the principle is correct). So next time the script is compiled, we **must** be back at square one, and the value of local variables **cannot** be maintained. What's wrong with this thinking?

Puzzled

Graham

On 23 Feb 2014, at 03:58, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 2/22/14, 8:42 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Scott-
>> 
>> Saturday, February 22, 2014, 6:26:31 PM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> Uh, oh -- I do this all the time.
>> 
>>> Is this really not supposed to work?
>> 
>> It sometimes works, but it's not legal syntax.
>> I don't know of any particular reason why not, but it's not.
>> 
> 
> They must have changed it when you and I weren't looking. Variable assignments are even listed in the examples in the dictionary entry for "local". I may have to read the whole dictionary again to see what else I've missed.
> 
> I may also have found a clue to disappearing locals. The same entry says this: "If variable preservation is turned on, script locals retain their values when the script is re-compiled, unless there is an error in the script."
> 
> I'm quite sure I've produced enough errors to have destroyed a few script locals in my time, so maybe that's what's wrong. I'll try to pay more attention.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From th.douez at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 06:43:20 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:43:20 +0100
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <530871CE.3040505@fourthworld.com>
References: <530871CE.3040505@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO5=uFAfY8T8VgVppiDiT1dzoMjSajWWuHNFUrXRBSjarQ@mail.gmail.com>

>> I still think that adding an assert command (of all things) is a
>> completely wrong way to do that tho.


and Dilbert to the rescue:

http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/10000/0000/900/210948/210948.strip.zoom.gif


Have a nice sunday :)

Thierry



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 06:59:33 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:59:33 +0200
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO5=uFAfY8T8VgVppiDiT1dzoMjSajWWuHNFUrXRBSjarQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <530871CE.3040505@fourthworld.com>
	<CAO8ucO5=uFAfY8T8VgVppiDiT1dzoMjSajWWuHNFUrXRBSjarQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5309E2A5.408@gmail.com>

On 23/02/14 13:43, Thierry Douez wrote:
>>> I still think that adding an assert command (of all things) is a
>>> completely wrong way to do that tho.

Well, everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

One of the things I really, really like about Livecode, is the way that 
there are many ways to do the same thing.

When I think about programming languages I did "battle" with in the 
past; I normally find that when I want to do something
either 'new' (as in "New To You'), or another way to somebody else (ref. 
my recent posting about 'offset'), it takes a relatively
short time (as in hours instead of weeks) to work out a way to do that.

I don't really understand 'assert' (mainly because I haven't bothered to 
sit down and play around with it - always the best way
as far as I'm concerned), but as far as I am concerned, the more ways 
there are of doing things the stronger Livecode becomes.

-----------------

I would take issue with "completely wrong way" as that seems very strong 
indeed for what is, after all, a matter of taste,
and entirely subjective.

One should always remember that in the RunRev HQ in Edinburgh, 
everything is a judgement call, it is not simply
implementation of something handed down from God. So far, the people at 
RunRev have done a really reasonable job at
keeping the clamouring hoards (Thee, Me and everybody else who is in one 
way or another a stakeholder in Livecode)
satisfied.

-----------------

If you don't like 'assert' then go out for a long walk, play with the 
cat, become intoxicated, listen to a long symphony, or
whatever else gets your creative mind working, and work out a way that 
you think is better to do the same thing.

Richmond.

>
> and Dilbert to the rescue:
>
> http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/10000/0000/900/210948/210948.strip.zoom.gif
>
>
> Have a nice sunday :)
>
> Thierry
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 07:01:36 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:01:36 +0200
Subject: 6.6 revTools placement
Message-ID: <5309E320.9080605@gmail.com>

Is it only me (LOL), or is it a universal phenomenon that
every time one starts up Livecode 6.6 dp1 the revTools stack opens 
centre-screen
(or, center-screen) rather than where one parked it last time?

Richmond.



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 07:17:16 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 07:17:16 -0500
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <5308FCC1.9060001@gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com> <5308FCC1.9060001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78958BA7-FC96-4AAC-AF15-9FACD4C1A565@gmail.com>

Here's a useful function that demonstrates the use of the third parameter for offset(). It returns all the offsets of a string in a container:

function offsets str,container,includeOverlaps
   -- returns a comma-delimited list of all the offsets of str in container
   -- returns 0 if not found
   -- third param is optional:
   --     offsets("xx","xxxxxx") returns "1,3,5" not "1,2,3,4,5"
   --     ie, by default, overlapping offsets are not counted
   --     if you want overlapping offsets then pass "true" in 3rd param
   -- note: to get the last offset, use "item -1 of offsets(...)"
   
   if str is not in container then return 0
   if includeOverlaps = empty then put false into includeOverlaps
   put empty into offsetList
   put 0 into startPoint
   repeat
      put offset(str,container,startPoint) into thisOffset
      if thisOffset = 0 then exit repeat
      add thisOffset to startPoint
      put startPoint & comma after offsetList
      if not includeOverlaps then
         add length(str)-1 to startPoint
      end if
   end repeat
   return item 1 to -1 of offsetList -- delete trailing comma
end offsets

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Feb 22, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Richmond wrote:

> On 22/02/14 21:35, Richmond wrote:
>> Sorry: Neanderthal question time:
>> 
>> I cannot see anything about charsToSkip in the inbuilt (i.e. in the IDE) documentation (6.6. dp1).
>> 
>> Went round in circles on the website.
>> 
>> ---------------------
>> 
>> Anyway:
>> 
>> I set up a boring little stack with a fld "fORIGIN" conatinong "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
>> 
>> and that was jolly nice,
>> 
>> then I set up another fld called "fREZ"
>> 
>> and a button with this script:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   put empty into fld "fREZ"
>>   put fld "fORIGIN" into ORIGIN
>>   put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>>   put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>>   put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> in the hope I would get something like "13, 18, 27," in fld "fREZ"
>> 
>> but all I got was "13, 13, 13"
>> 
>> so I really cannot see what the utility of 'offset' is at all.
>> 
>> ---------------------------------
>> 
>> I made another button with this script:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   put empty into fld "fREZ"
>>   put 1 into INDEKS
>>   repeat until char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is empty
>>   if char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is "o" then
>>     put INDEKS & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>>  else
>>     --do nix
>>  end if
>>  put (INDEKS + 1) into INDEKS
>>  end repeat
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> and that returned "13, 18, 27, 42"
>> 
>> a whole lot more useful.
>> 
>> -----------------------------------
>> 
>> Richmond.
> 
> Sorry about the previous post: trembly fingers on the PASTE button :P
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 07:18:28 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 07:18:28 -0500
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com> <53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <32379E07-557C-48D0-8F71-DB541914F61E@gmail.com>

Oh. Didn't see this before I sent off my version?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Feb 22, 2014, at 4:49 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 2/22/14, 1:35 PM, Richmond wrote:
>> Sorry: Neanderthal question time:
>> 
>> I cannot see anything about charsToSkip in the inbuilt (i.e. in the IDE)
>> documentation (6.6. dp1).
> 
> It's the third parameter in the "offset" function. See "offset" in the dictionary.
> 
>> I set up a boring little stack with a fld "fORIGIN" conatinong "The
>> quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
>> 
>> and that was jolly nice,
>> 
>> then I set up another fld called "fREZ"
>> 
>> and a button with this script:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>    put empty into fld "fREZ"
>>    put fld "fORIGIN" into ORIGIN
>>    put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>>    put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>>    put offset("o",ORIGIN) & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> 
>> in the hope I would get something like "13, 18, 27," in fld "fREZ"
>> 
>> but all I got was "13, 13, 13"
>> 
>> so I really cannot see what the utility of 'offset' is at all.
> 
> Oh ye of little faith. That's what we've been talking about; every instance of "offset" starts at the beginning of the string unless you include the number of characters to skip as the third parameter.
> 
> This is a much faster way to get all instances of an offset in a block of text, exactly parallel to the differences between "repeat with x" and "repeat for each". Like "for each," offset will read from the current marked location rather than counting from the top during each iteration, provided you include the third parameter. Your example handler doesn't use the parameter, so of course you're getting the same offset repeatedly.
> 
> If there is a third parameter, then offset will start counting from that point, and return the number of characters from that location in the text to the next instance of the character. It's up to you to add that number to the current "skip" location in order to keep the marker moving along.
> 
> This should do what you want:
> 
> function getAllOffsets pData,pChar -- find all instances of a char
>  put 0 into tSkip -- start at beginning
>  repeat
>    put offset(pChar,pData,tSkip) into tNextOffset -- chars since skip point
>    if tNextOffset = 0 then exit repeat -- no more found
>    add tNextOffset to tSkip -- move the marker
>    put tSkip & comma after tRes -- store it
>  end repeat
>  return tRes
> end getAllOffsets
> 
> This should be much faster than your "repeat" example (which counts characters from the top during each iteration) or a version that deletes characters from the original data. Try some comparison timings with a very large block of text.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bvg at mac.com  Sun Feb 23 08:21:40 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:21:40 +0100
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <0BED4F31-736D-477F-BA9F-FE6226A02416@mac.com>
References: <loom.20140220T202729-452@post.gmane.org>
	<53066031.4020403@fourthworld.com>
	<0BED4F31-736D-477F-BA9F-FE6226A02416@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1793E315-F5B7-4FFA-A8AD-7A72E3F2D703@mac.com>


On 21.02.2014, at 16:36, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> So my suggestion would be to update errorDialog, maybe make a synonym for people used to other languages. And then add an assert control structure (or even just modify try to be able to use it in that way).


-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From bvg at mac.com  Sun Feb 23 08:30:53 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:30:53 +0100
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyVBKV6DEAPpcx6wCm0jZJRTdT+krmRLm2596p8Qnpmmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4216AB95-BB05-4E6D-B1EE-9D7FED41C709@mac.com>

Alright I think I've said what I wanted on assert, so my next problem is with the SQLite syntax changes. The "new" binary mode is in fact just the default SQLite way to use binary. 

Because of that, I strongly would prefer to make that the default, and deprecate the LC way of storing binary in sqlite. However that's of course not really an option, because it'd have the possibility of breaking old code. The chosen approach is also highly flawed, because developers will always have to use the binary option for all new code, forever, or be incompatible with all other SQLite implementations worldwide.

Because those two options are suboptimal, I think the approach should be changed in this way instead of what RunRev has proposed:

- Binary data should always be written into SQLite in the standard SQLite way.
- When reading, LC converts binary data to normal binary data without user interaction, no matter how it is stored in the db, wether it's LC-properietary or standard 
- Remove the "binary" option from the revOpenDatabase function

That way, new code doesn't need to include additional options forever, and backwards compatibility is still guaranteed.



-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 08:31:04 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 15:31:04 +0200
Subject: assert
Message-ID: <5309F818.1000907@gmail.com>

Right; so here I am on a Sunday afternoon feeling
suitably postprandial . . . and looking at the notes for 6.6 dp1
and playing around with ASSERT

Set up a stack with a button with this script:

on mouseUp
    assert 1 is 2
end mouseUp

as per notes.

SO? Where is any sort of result????

tried this script:

on mouseUp
    put assert (1 is 2) into fld "fOUT"
end mouseUp

that one "threw a bluey"

as did:

on mouseUp
    put assert (1 is 2)
end mouseUp

So, I made another button with this script:

on mouseUp
    if 1 is 2 then
       put "Yup" into fld "fOUT"
    else
       put "Nope" into fld "fOUT"
       end if
end mouseUp

which worked perfectly.

---------------------------------------------

SO; assert is meant to be a way to check for runtime errors

[which in my example above it certainly does NOT look like]

WHERE is one expected to see "fails" or "succeeds"

or, how does one know if assert has either failed or succeeded?

--------------------------------------------

Why not just run one's original script and see it the da*n things works?

-------------------------------------------

"if the condition fails, then an assertError message is sent to the 
object containing the
command"

Where does the programmer see the assertError message?

------------------------------------------

Richmond.



From th.douez at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 08:32:14 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:32:14 +0100
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <1793E315-F5B7-4FFA-A8AD-7A72E3F2D703@mac.com>
References: <loom.20140220T202729-452@post.gmane.org>
	<53066031.4020403@fourthworld.com>
	<0BED4F31-736D-477F-BA9F-FE6226A02416@mac.com>
	<1793E315-F5B7-4FFA-A8AD-7A72E3F2D703@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO6wJKzw14Q28bqdMsMpU6LLojMSjUu=oT1j2iLm5X9WrA@mail.gmail.com>

>> So my suggestion would be to update errorDialog, maybe make a synonym for people used to other languages. And then add an assert control structure (or even just modify try to be able to use it in that way).


I would not like having this.; they are 2 different beasts and concepts.

( And I'm a long time user of try/catch + have made some assert tools
 in LC which I always use for any serious development... )

------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Sun Feb 23 08:43:53 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 08:43:53 -0500
Subject: 6.6 revTools placement
In-Reply-To: <5309E320.9080605@gmail.com>
References: <5309E320.9080605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNta=W6Ui4w5u+WMxmpHETmj81wfypjZEEQAQoMOVc_ug@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't seen it do that, but neither have I repositioned the tools.  (OS
X 10.8.3).

~Roger
On Feb 23, 2014 7:02 AM, "Richmond" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is it only me (LOL), or is it a universal phenomenon that
> every time one starts up Livecode 6.6 dp1 the revTools stack opens
> centre-screen
> (or, center-screen) rather than where one parked it last time?
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bvg at mac.com  Sun Feb 23 08:47:38 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:47:38 +0100
Subject: assert
In-Reply-To: <5309F818.1000907@gmail.com>
References: <5309F818.1000907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <953ABF31-E0AB-4798-BCED-77C2748D77B0@mac.com>

on mouseUp
  assert 1 + "blah"
end mouseUp

on assertError dont, remember, amountOfParameters
  put dont & remember & amountOfParameters
end assert

see release notes of 6.6 dp here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

On 23.02.2014, at 14:31, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Right; so here I am on a Sunday afternoon feeling
> suitably postprandial . . . and looking at the notes for 6.6 dp1
> and playing around with ASSERT
> 
> Set up a stack with a button with this script:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   assert 1 is 2
> end mouseUp
> 
> as per notes.
> 
> SO? Where is any sort of result????
> 
> tried this script:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put assert (1 is 2) into fld "fOUT"
> end mouseUp
> 
> that one "threw a bluey"
> 
> as did:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put assert (1 is 2)
> end mouseUp
> 
> So, I made another button with this script:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   if 1 is 2 then
>      put "Yup" into fld "fOUT"
>   else
>      put "Nope" into fld "fOUT"
>      end if
> end mouseUp
> 
> which worked perfectly.
> 
> ---------------------------------------------
> 
> SO; assert is meant to be a way to check for runtime errors
> 
> [which in my example above it certainly does NOT look like]
> 
> WHERE is one expected to see "fails" or "succeeds"
> 
> or, how does one know if assert has either failed or succeeded?
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> 
> Why not just run one's original script and see it the da*n things works?
> 
> -------------------------------------------
> 
> "if the condition fails, then an assertError message is sent to the object containing the
> command"
> 
> Where does the programmer see the assertError message?
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Feb 23 10:05:58 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:05:58 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
Message-ID: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

strange problems here (as ususal).

1. I created a fresh datagrid FORM on a card.
2. I have a script that populates it with data.

All is working fine, but when I navigate to that card***, I get this in the message box:
*** I do not populate the dg on open or preopencard or anything else! 
That's what stumbling me?!

91,0,1
69,3070,5,group id 1006 of card id 1005 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1362542789804"
126,3070,1
241,3070,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
573,2396,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
587,2390,1
241,2390,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
573,1608,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
253,1605,9
253,1603,1

I know that e.g. 91 means "stack not found" but have no idea WHAT stack is missing nor what might go wrong "behind the scenes" in the dg library.
The DG itself is working as exspected!

Any hints highly welcome! :-)
Thanks!


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 10:20:28 2014
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:20:28 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Klaus,

Do you have really a data grid substack named "Data Grid Templates
1362542789804", in your project?



Best,

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> strange problems here (as ususal).
>
> 1. I created a fresh datagrid FORM on a card.
> 2. I have a script that populates it with data.
>
> All is working fine, but when I navigate to that card***, I get this in the message box:
> *** I do not populate the dg on open or preopencard or anything else!
> That's what stumbling me?!
>
> 91,0,1
> 69,3070,5,group id 1006 of card id 1005 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1362542789804"
> 126,3070,1
> 241,3070,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
> 353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
> 573,2396,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
> 587,2390,1
> 241,2390,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
> 353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
> 573,1608,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
> 253,1605,9
> 253,1603,1
>
> I know that e.g. 91 means "stack not found" but have no idea WHAT stack is missing nor what might go wrong "behind the scenes" in the dg library.
> The DG itself is working as exspected!
>
> Any hints highly welcome! :-)
> Thanks!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



-- 
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Feb 23 10:26:18 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:26:18 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>

Hi Zryip,

Am 23.02.2014 um 16:20 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:

> Hi Klaus,
> 
> Do you have really a data grid substack named "Data Grid Templates
> 1362542789804", in your project?

no, the substack containing the Row Template and Behavior has the id 1393161990962!
Maybe that was a substack of a previously deleted datagrid?

How can I "cure the hiccup" of the dg library concerning the erratic reference to that substack?
Thanks! 

> Best,
> 
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>> Hi friends,
>> 
>> strange problems here (as ususal).
>> 
>> 1. I created a fresh datagrid FORM on a card.
>> 2. I have a script that populates it with data.
>> 
>> All is working fine, but when I navigate to that card***, I get this in the message box:
>> *** I do not populate the dg on open or preopencard or anything else!
>> That's what stumbling me?!
>> 
>> 91,0,1
>> 69,3070,5,group id 1006 of card id 1005 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1362542789804"
>> 126,3070,1
>> 241,3070,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
>> 353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
>> 573,2396,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
>> 587,2390,1
>> 241,2390,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
>> 353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
>> 573,1608,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
>> 253,1605,9
>> 253,1603,1
>> 
>> I know that e.g. 91 means "stack not found" but have no idea WHAT stack is missing nor what might go wrong "behind the scenes" in the dg library.
>> The DG itself is working as exspected!
>> 
>> Any hints highly welcome! :-)
>> Thanks!

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Feb 23 10:51:28 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:51:28 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>

Hi Zryip,

Am 23.02.2014 um 16:26 schrieb Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de>:

> Hi Zryip,
> 
> Am 23.02.2014 um 16:20 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:
> 
>> Hi Klaus,
>> 
>> Do you have really a data grid substack named "Data Grid Templates
>> 1362542789804", in your project?
> 
> no, the substack containing the Row Template and Behavior has the id 1393161990962!
> Maybe that was a substack of a previously deleted datagrid?
> 
> How can I "cure the hiccup" of the dg library concerning the erratic reference to that substack?
> Thanks! 

additional info, if that helps:
The dgprop["row template"] references the correct template:
group id 1006 of card id 1005 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1393161990962"

>> Best,
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>>> Hi friends,
>>> 
>>> strange problems here (as ususal).
>>> 
>>> 1. I created a fresh datagrid FORM on a card.
>>> 2. I have a script that populates it with data.
>>> 
>>> All is working fine, but when I navigate to that card***, I get this in the message box:
>>> *** I do not populate the dg on open or preopencard or anything else!
>>> That's what stumbling me?!
>>> 
>>> 91,0,1
>>> 69,3070,5,group id 1006 of card id 1005 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1362542789804"
>>> 126,3070,1
>>> 241,3070,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
>>> 353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
>>> 573,2396,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
>>> 587,2390,1
>>> 241,2390,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
>>> 353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
>>> 573,1608,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
>>> 253,1605,9
>>> 253,1603,1

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 10:55:04 2014
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:55:04 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDovk6HcMqLAut68ZGpyszmj7WZSyEJvcOnPLGbuNgMf7g@mail.gmail.com>

Klaus,

A copy paste or a deletion of the datagrid can be an explanation.

We can fix this manually or call DGH to help. We have a tool ready for
this situation.

1. Activate DGH and double click on your datagrid form
2. In the Behaviors / Templates topic, click on the 3 dots button in
regard of the "Row template" option
3. We have a representation of the datagrid template. As the link to
the template is lost, all the lines should be in red
4. Click on the edit button
5. This should show a list of the possible row groups in the template
stack detected by DGH
6. Select the one you want and click on the "Select" button (Note you
can also created a new template for the data grid, by clicking on the
"New..." button)
7. Confirm the DGH warning
8. Your datagrid should be cured.



Best,

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> Hi Zryip,
>
> Am 23.02.2014 um 16:20 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Klaus,
>>
>> Do you have really a data grid substack named "Data Grid Templates
>> 1362542789804", in your project?
>
> no, the substack containing the Row Template and Behavior has the id 1393161990962!
> Maybe that was a substack of a previously deleted datagrid?
>
> How can I "cure the hiccup" of the dg library concerning the erratic reference to that substack?
> Thanks!
>
>> Best,
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>>> Hi friends,
>>>
>>> strange problems here (as ususal).
>>>
>>> 1. I created a fresh datagrid FORM on a card.
>>> 2. I have a script that populates it with data.
>>>
>>> All is working fine, but when I navigate to that card***, I get this in the message box:
>>> *** I do not populate the dg on open or preopencard or anything else!
>>> That's what stumbling me?!
>>>
>>> 91,0,1
>>> 69,3070,5,group id 1006 of card id 1005 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1362542789804"
>>> 126,3070,1
>>> 241,3070,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
>>> 353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
>>> 573,2396,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
>>> 587,2390,1
>>> 241,2390,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
>>> 353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
>>> 573,1608,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
>>> 253,1605,9
>>> 253,1603,1
>>>
>>> I know that e.g. 91 means "stack not found" but have no idea WHAT stack is missing nor what might go wrong "behind the scenes" in the dg library.
>>> The DG itself is working as exspected!
>>>
>>> Any hints highly welcome! :-)
>>> Thanks!
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



-- 
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 10:55:51 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:55:51 +0200
Subject: assert
In-Reply-To: <953ABF31-E0AB-4798-BCED-77C2748D77B0@mac.com>
References: <5309F818.1000907@gmail.com>
	<953ABF31-E0AB-4798-BCED-77C2748D77B0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <530A1A07.7000903@gmail.com>

On 23/02/14 15:47, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> on mouseUp
>    assert 1 + "blah"
> end mouseUp

Well that certainly threw up an error message.

But this:

on mouseUp
     put 1 + "blah" into FUDGE
end mouseUp

also threw up an error message.
--------------------------------------------------
> on assertError dont, remember, amountOfParameters
>    put dont & remember & amountOfParameters
> end assert

When I tried to put that one in my button I got this:

button "Button": compilation error at line 8 (Handler: end doesn't match 
handler name) near "assert", char 1

in the scriptEditor when I tried to apply it.

--------------------------------------------------------

When I tried this:

on assertError dont, remember, amountOfParameters
   put dont & remember & amountOfParameters
end assertError

NOTHING appeared in the Message Box.

Richmond.

>
> see release notes of 6.6 dp here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>
> On 23.02.2014, at 14:31, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Right; so here I am on a Sunday afternoon feeling
>> suitably postprandial . . . and looking at the notes for 6.6 dp1
>> and playing around with ASSERT
>>
>> Set up a stack with a button with this script:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    assert 1 is 2
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> as per notes.
>>
>> SO? Where is any sort of result????
>>
>> tried this script:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    put assert (1 is 2) into fld "fOUT"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> that one "threw a bluey"
>>
>> as did:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    put assert (1 is 2)
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> So, I made another button with this script:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    if 1 is 2 then
>>       put "Yup" into fld "fOUT"
>>    else
>>       put "Nope" into fld "fOUT"
>>       end if
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> which worked perfectly.
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> SO; assert is meant to be a way to check for runtime errors
>>
>> [which in my example above it certainly does NOT look like]
>>
>> WHERE is one expected to see "fails" or "succeeds"
>>
>> or, how does one know if assert has either failed or succeeded?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>> Why not just run one's original script and see it the da*n things works?
>>
>> -------------------------------------------
>>
>> "if the condition fails, then an assertError message is sent to the object containing the
>> command"
>>
>> Where does the programmer see the assertError message?
>>
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 23 11:05:42 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 10:05:42 -0600
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <5309C625.5090102@gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com> <53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5309C625.5090102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <688ef695-a560-400c-b33c-d39b3832dcb4@email.android.com>

I commented on it, I just didn't quote it. That handler is the one that counts from the beginning of the text in each iteration of the loop.  The speed of execution will decrease as the size of the text grows. If your source text is relatively short, your repetitive counting handler will probably be good enough.  

Try a timing test using my version and this one, with a 2 or 3 meg text file as the source text. Better, try it on the text of a novel or the Bible. 

On February 23, 2014 3:57:57 AM CST, Richmond 
>>
>> This should be much faster than your "repeat" example (which counts 
>> characters from the top during each iteration) or a version that 
>> deletes characters from the original data. Try some comparison
>timings 
>> with a very large block of text.
>>
>
>  You AVOIDED commenting on this:
>
>/I made another button with this script:
>//
>//  on mouseUp
>//     put empty into fld "fREZ"
>//     put 1 into INDEKS
>//     repeat until char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is empty
>//     if char INDEKS of fld "fORIGIN" is "o" then
>//       put INDEKS & ", " after fld "fREZ"
>//    else
>//       --do nix
>//    end if
>//    put (INDEKS + 1) into INDEKS
>//    end repeat
>//  end mouseUp
>//
>//  and that returned "13, 18, 27, 42"
>//
>//  a whole lot more useful./
>
>
>No need to work out how far to hop!
>
>Richmond.
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 11:07:44 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:07:44 +0200
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <688ef695-a560-400c-b33c-d39b3832dcb4@email.android.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com>
	<53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>	<5309C625.5090102@gmail.com>
	<688ef695-a560-400c-b33c-d39b3832dcb4@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <530A1CD0.3090302@gmail.com>

On 23/02/14 18:05, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> I commented on it, I just didn't quote it. That handler is the one that counts from the beginning of the text in each iteration of the loop.  The speed of execution will decrease as the size of the text grows. If your source text is relatively short, your repetitive counting handler will probably be good enough.
>
> Try a timing test using my version and this one, with a 2 or 3 meg text file as the source text. Better, try it on the text of a novel or the Bible.
>
>

I do see your point, now.

Richmond.



From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 11:10:15 2014
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:10:15 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>

Klaus,

Hum interesting information. In this case my previous description will
be in no help as the row tempate is not lost.

In the template substack, the group id 1006 of card id 1005 is the
"row template". If you are editing its properties in the inspector,
what is it's the behavior id?



Best,

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> Hi Zryip,
>
> Am 23.02.2014 um 16:26 schrieb Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de>:
>
>> Hi Zryip,
>>
>> Am 23.02.2014 um 16:20 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Klaus,
>>>
>>> Do you have really a data grid substack named "Data Grid Templates
>>> 1362542789804", in your project?
>>
>> no, the substack containing the Row Template and Behavior has the id 1393161990962!
>> Maybe that was a substack of a previously deleted datagrid?
>>
>> How can I "cure the hiccup" of the dg library concerning the erratic reference to that substack?
>> Thanks!
>
> additional info, if that helps:
> The dgprop["row template"] references the correct template:
> group id 1006 of card id 1005 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1393161990962"
>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>>>> Hi friends,
>>>>
>>>> strange problems here (as ususal).
>>>>
>>>> 1. I created a fresh datagrid FORM on a card.
>>>> 2. I have a script that populates it with data.
>>>>
>>>> All is working fine, but when I navigate to that card***, I get this in the message box:
>>>> *** I do not populate the dg on open or preopencard or anything else!
>>>> That's what stumbling me?!
>>>>
>>>> 91,0,1
>>>> 69,3070,5,group id 1006 of card id 1005 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1362542789804"
>>>> 126,3070,1
>>>> 241,3070,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
>>>> 353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
>>>> 573,2396,1,_list.CalculateFormattedHeight
>>>> 587,2390,1
>>>> 241,2390,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
>>>> 353,0,0,button id 1005 of group id 1004 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/LiveCode 6.5.2.app/Contents/Tools/Toolset/revdatagridlibrary.rev"
>>>> 573,1608,1,_CalculateFormattedHeight
>>>> 253,1605,9
>>>> 253,1603,1
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



-- 
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 23 11:14:43 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 10:14:43 -0600
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <32379E07-557C-48D0-8F71-DB541914F61E@gmail.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com> <53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<32379E07-557C-48D0-8F71-DB541914F61E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <419db82c-b73c-4ad0-bb13-38a3de9502c1@email.android.com>

Yours includes the method of finding whole words.  I left that out for brevity but it's a common thing to need.  So, not a waste.  

On February 23, 2014 6:18:28 AM CST, "Peter M. Brigham" <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
>Oh. Didn't see this before I sent off my version?
>
>-- Peter

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Feb 23 11:22:02 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:22:02 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>

Hi Zryip,

Am 23.02.2014 um 17:10 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:

> Klaus,
> 
> Hum interesting information. In this case my previous description will
> be in no help as the row tempate is not lost.

> In the template substack, the group id 1006 of card id 1005 is the
> "row template". If you are editing its properties in the inspector,
> what is it's the behavior id?

button id 1009 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1393161990962"
which is also correct.

Hmmm...

> Best,

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Feb 23 11:30:25 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 08:30:25 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <530963DB.1010606@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>
	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<17181236917.20140222184232@ahsoftware.net>
	<530963DB.1010606@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <163130908693.20140223083025@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Saturday, February 22, 2014, 6:58:35 PM, you wrote:

> They must have changed it when you and I weren't looking. Variable
> assignments are even listed in the examples in the dictionary entry for
> "local". I may have to read the whole dictionary again to see what else
> I've missed.

OK - I stand corrected. My memory is the same as yours, and I could
swear that sometime in the distant past someone even corrected me when
I attempted to do this. But I just dusted off my copy of the RR 2.0
hardcopy dictionary, and it has the same examples.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Feb 23 11:35:15 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:35:15 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <9323D7C2-D9D5-40E1-B60E-4803D27F3112@major-k.de>

Hi Zryip,

Am 23.02.2014 um 17:22 schrieb Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de>:

> Hi Zryip,
> 
> Am 23.02.2014 um 17:10 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:
>> Klaus,
>> Hum interesting information. In this case my previous description will
>> be in no help as the row tempate is not lost.
>> In the template substack, the group id 1006 of card id 1005 is the
>> "row template". If you are editing its properties in the inspector,
>> what is it's the behavior id?
> button id 1009 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1393161990962"
> which is also correct.
> Hmmm...

the main questions remain:
What makes the dg library (of whatever throws this errors) think it needs 
to reference a no more existing stack?

And where is this information stored, so I can fix it? 
I checked all possible props so far, nope.

Thanks again for your help!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 11:50:38 2014
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:50:38 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <9323D7C2-D9D5-40E1-B60E-4803D27F3112@major-k.de>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>
	<9323D7C2-D9D5-40E1-B60E-4803D27F3112@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDrte_T10Xs5g-jLj=4pv3zixGm7zS449oH6_BUEPOs_bw@mail.gmail.com>

Klaus,

Do you have cache controls turn to on for the datagrid?

Each row in the datagrid is linked to the template behavior button.
I'm suspecting one or more of these rows are linked to the wrong
template.


Best,

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> Hi Zryip,
>
> Am 23.02.2014 um 17:22 schrieb Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de>:
>
>> Hi Zryip,
>>
>> Am 23.02.2014 um 17:10 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:
>>> Klaus,
>>> Hum interesting information. In this case my previous description will
>>> be in no help as the row tempate is not lost.
>>> In the template substack, the group id 1006 of card id 1005 is the
>>> "row template". If you are editing its properties in the inspector,
>>> what is it's the behavior id?
>> button id 1009 of stack "Data Grid Templates 1393161990962"
>> which is also correct.
>> Hmmm...
>
> the main questions remain:
> What makes the dg library (of whatever throws this errors) think it needs
> to reference a no more existing stack?
>
> And where is this information stored, so I can fix it?
> I checked all possible props so far, nope.
>
> Thanks again for your help!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



-- 
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Feb 23 11:54:09 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:54:09 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDrte_T10Xs5g-jLj=4pv3zixGm7zS449oH6_BUEPOs_bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>
	<9323D7C2-D9D5-40E1-B60E-4803D27F3112@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrte_T10Xs5g-jLj=4pv3zixGm7zS449oH6_BUEPOs_bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CD53DE7-9359-4F1C-A69F-B9A50A62B743@major-k.de>

Hi Zryip,

Am 23.02.2014 um 17:50 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:

> Klaus,
> 
> Do you have cache controls turn to on for the datagrid?

no.

> Each row in the datagrid is linked to the template behavior button.
> I'm suspecting one or more of these rows are linked to the wrong
> template.

Does not make a difference if this is un-/checked!
But the datagrid gets filled nicely!?

> Best,

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Feb 23 12:04:40 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:04:40 +0100
Subject: assert
In-Reply-To: <530A1A07.7000903@gmail.com>
References: <5309F818.1000907@gmail.com>
	<953ABF31-E0AB-4798-BCED-77C2748D77B0@mac.com>
	<530A1A07.7000903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <81C1AA74-1910-46C3-ACB8-EFB82B730BD5@mac.com>

Richmond, I did your thing of creating a button with a script in it:

on mouseUp
   assert 1 is 2
end mouseUp

on assertError
   answer "It isn't, you know!"
end assertError

It worked entirely as expected - the object containing the command (the button, in this case) received the assertError message as per the description. However I am still extremely unsure where I would use it in place of try-catch, but FWIW it does work.

Graham

On 23 Feb 2014, at 16:55, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23/02/14 15:47, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>> on mouseUp
>>   assert 1 + "blah"
>> end mouseUp
> 
> Well that certainly threw up an error message.
> 
> But this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    put 1 + "blah" into FUDGE
> end mouseUp
> 
> also threw up an error message.
> --------------------------------------------------
>> on assertError dont, remember, amountOfParameters
>>   put dont & remember & amountOfParameters
>> end assert
> 
> When I tried to put that one in my button I got this:
> 
> button "Button": compilation error at line 8 (Handler: end doesn't match handler name) near "assert", char 1
> 
> in the scriptEditor when I tried to apply it.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> When I tried this:
> 
> on assertError dont, remember, amountOfParameters
>  put dont & remember & amountOfParameters
> end assertError
> 
> NOTHING appeared in the Message Box.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
>> 
>> see release notes of 6.6 dp here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>> 
>> On 23.02.2014, at 14:31, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Right; so here I am on a Sunday afternoon feeling
>>> suitably postprandial . . . and looking at the notes for 6.6 dp1
>>> and playing around with ASSERT
>>> 
>>> Set up a stack with a button with this script:
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   assert 1 is 2
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> as per notes.
>>> 
>>> SO? Where is any sort of result????
>>> 
>>> tried this script:
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   put assert (1 is 2) into fld "fOUT"
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> that one "threw a bluey"
>>> 
>>> as did:
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   put assert (1 is 2)
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> So, I made another button with this script:
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   if 1 is 2 then
>>>      put "Yup" into fld "fOUT"
>>>   else
>>>      put "Nope" into fld "fOUT"
>>>      end if
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> which worked perfectly.
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> SO; assert is meant to be a way to check for runtime errors
>>> 
>>> [which in my example above it certainly does NOT look like]
>>> 
>>> WHERE is one expected to see "fails" or "succeeds"
>>> 
>>> or, how does one know if assert has either failed or succeeded?
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Why not just run one's original script and see it the da*n things works?
>>> 
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> "if the condition fails, then an assertError message is sent to the object containing the
>>> command"
>>> 
>>> Where does the programmer see the assertError message?
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Richmond.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Feb 23 12:01:53 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 09:01:53 -0800
Subject: assert
In-Reply-To: <530A1A07.7000903@gmail.com>
References: <5309F818.1000907@gmail.com>
	<953ABF31-E0AB-4798-BCED-77C2748D77B0@mac.com>
	<530A1A07.7000903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94132796934.20140223090153@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

May be better to try a simple but real example.
Here's a test that can be run on each new build of the engine to make
sure that the random() function hasn't broken.

on mouseUp
    test_random 5.3
    test_random 10.7
end mouseUp

on test_random x
    local y
    
    put random(x) into y
    # should return a positive integer
    assert y > 0
    # should round the upper limit
    assert y <= x
end test_random

on assertError a, b, c, d
    answer a, b, c, d
end assertError

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 12:14:47 2014
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:14:47 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <4CD53DE7-9359-4F1C-A69F-B9A50A62B743@major-k.de>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>
	<9323D7C2-D9D5-40E1-B60E-4803D27F3112@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrte_T10Xs5g-jLj=4pv3zixGm7zS449oH6_BUEPOs_bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CD53DE7-9359-4F1C-A69F-B9A50A62B743@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDqExUEG1WECOtEjV+N7fCDf39-1yPjCiwkhzmbbfr0LKA@mail.gmail.com>

Klaus,

In the inspector, check each behavior id of groups named "row template 000x".

These groups only appear when the datagrid is filled.


Best,

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> Hi Zryip,
>
> Am 23.02.2014 um 17:50 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:
>
>> Klaus,
>>
>> Do you have cache controls turn to on for the datagrid?
>
> no.
>
>> Each row in the datagrid is linked to the template behavior button.
>> I'm suspecting one or more of these rows are linked to the wrong
>> template.
>
> Does not make a difference if this is un-/checked!
> But the datagrid gets filled nicely!?
>
>> Best,
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



-- 
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Feb 23 12:33:07 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:33:07 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDqExUEG1WECOtEjV+N7fCDf39-1yPjCiwkhzmbbfr0LKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>
	<9323D7C2-D9D5-40E1-B60E-4803D27F3112@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrte_T10Xs5g-jLj=4pv3zixGm7zS449oH6_BUEPOs_bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CD53DE7-9359-4F1C-A69F-B9A50A62B743@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDqExUEG1WECOtEjV+N7fCDf39-1yPjCiwkhzmbbfr0LKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C46260C7-1218-4912-A13E-C54E386197B1@major-k.de>

Hi Zryip,

Am 23.02.2014 um 18:14 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:

> Klaus,
> 
> In the inspector, check each behavior id of groups named "row template 000x".

which is not possible in the IDE unfortunately. :-/
A Datagrid appears as ONE object in the inspector, project browser and rIDE.

> These groups only appear when the datagrid is filled.

What is really puzzling me, that setting the DGDATA results in a correctly filled datagrid!?
So why should the library "mix" different templates in the same datagrid?

When seeting the DGDATA I do not get the error that I get when the card (background) opens, 
all works fine!?

> Best,

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 12:41:15 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:41:15 -0500
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <419db82c-b73c-4ad0-bb13-38a3de9502c1@email.android.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com> <53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<32379E07-557C-48D0-8F71-DB541914F61E@gmail.com>
	<419db82c-b73c-4ad0-bb13-38a3de9502c1@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <58D4743C-9A7D-4915-9990-6D394B5A89F5@gmail.com>

It's easy to construct similar extensions of the other offset functions: lineoffsets(), itemoffsets() and wordoffsets(). They come in very handy. I do a lot of text munching and I am continually using one or another of them. One common situation is when you need not the first occurrence of a string in a container, but the last occurrence. Then just do: item -1 of offsets(str,tContainer). Or the line containing the last occurrence of str would be item -1 of lineoffsets(str,tContainer). Need to make every occurrence of a particular word appear in bold? It's easy using wordoffsets(). Etc, etc.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:14 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Yours includes the method of finding whole words.  I left that out for brevity but it's a common thing to need.  So, not a waste.  
> 
> On February 23, 2014 6:18:28 AM CST, "Peter M. Brigham" <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh. Didn't see this before I sent off my version?
>> 
>> -- Peter
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb 23 12:47:02 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 09:47:02 -0800
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <C46260C7-1218-4912-A13E-C54E386197B1@major-k.de>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>
	<9323D7C2-D9D5-40E1-B60E-4803D27F3112@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrte_T10Xs5g-jLj=4pv3zixGm7zS449oH6_BUEPOs_bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CD53DE7-9359-4F1C-A69F-B9A50A62B743@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDqExUEG1WECOtEjV+N7fCDf39-1yPjCiwkhzmbbfr0LKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C46260C7-1218-4912-A13E-C54E386197B1@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOCdpwvqm4bkpNYRPs4CZsaGFA4bDvoUTV1Oc_iOfdZmQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> which is not possible in the IDE unfortunately. :-/
> A Datagrid appears as ONE object in the inspector, project browser and
> rIDE.
>

set the selectGroupedControls of <the datagridreference> to true

In the Application browser, right click on the right pane and click
refresh.  You'll then be able to see the component controls of the
datagrid.  DOn;t forget to set it back to false after checking it out or
the datagrid will not work at all.

Have no idea whether that works in the Project Browser or rIDE.  In
lcSTackBrowser, there's a preference setting for any custom control that
determines whether you can see its components or not irrespective of the
selectGroupedControls setting.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 12:52:07 2014
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:52:07 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <C46260C7-1218-4912-A13E-C54E386197B1@major-k.de>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>
	<9323D7C2-D9D5-40E1-B60E-4803D27F3112@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrte_T10Xs5g-jLj=4pv3zixGm7zS449oH6_BUEPOs_bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CD53DE7-9359-4F1C-A69F-B9A50A62B743@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDqExUEG1WECOtEjV+N7fCDf39-1yPjCiwkhzmbbfr0LKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C46260C7-1218-4912-A13E-C54E386197B1@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDpZFSUGzdsFpPLWjbzuj8a+BT+x=Ff+cNnimhB1d4r5Qg@mail.gmail.com>

Klaus,

Hum we must not use the same IDE. I can inspect each group of the
datagrid by clicking on "Inspect" + "Groups"

Is it possible for you to copy the datagrid and the template substack
in a fresh stack and send me the resulting stack off-list? That's way
I could have a look to this odd behavior.


Best,

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> Hi Zryip,
>
> Am 23.02.2014 um 18:14 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:
>
>> Klaus,
>>
>> In the inspector, check each behavior id of groups named "row template 000x".
>
> which is not possible in the IDE unfortunately. :-/
> A Datagrid appears as ONE object in the inspector, project browser and rIDE.
>
>> These groups only appear when the datagrid is filled.
>
> What is really puzzling me, that setting the DGDATA results in a correctly filled datagrid!?
> So why should the library "mix" different templates in the same datagrid?
>
> When seeting the DGDATA I do not get the error that I get when the card (background) opens,
> all works fine!?
>
>> Best,
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



-- 
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 12:56:53 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:56:53 +0200
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
Message-ID: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>

A Gold Mine turns out to be available, still:

http://www.umich.edu/~archive/mac/hypercard/

Richmond.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 13:05:20 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:05:20 +0000
Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
In-Reply-To: <DE0C7761-958C-4FBA-AE10-81D40C7DF89F@comcast.net>
References: <DE0C7761-958C-4FBA-AE10-81D40C7DF89F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DD23DAB4-65CD-4E75-A1D0-F04FE741B87D@iotecdigital.com>

Rev?s libraries are not debuggable in that sense. If I recall, any stack name that begins with ?rev? is considered a Livecode Library (which can be useful for people building their own libraries). 

You can still however, use the new assert statement to build logging, or just simply use an answer dialog to view the contents of variables and such. You could also create your own logging script that writes to a low level file and include the handler name, the line of the script and any information you wanted to get from the script. 

Remo has a system of breakpoints that do not invoke a step debugger, but rather save the state of all variables at the time of the breakpoint so the developer can review them later. I haven?t heard anything about Remo lately though, so I am not sure if it is still a viable product. 

Bob


On Feb 22, 2014, at 19:05 , David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks very much for the suggestions of other tools and the script that would help me write my own.  But before giving up completely on the basic table, I'm trying to understand how it works (and, in the process, more about how LiveCode works).
> 
> Inspecting "the frontscripts", I discovered that the handlers governing basic table fields are in the script of button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of stack "revLibrary."
> 
> 1.  Hoping to see table-editing in action, I set a checkpoint at the beginning of the "on mouseUp" handler in that script.  But clicking the field did not cause execution to halt or the debugger to open.  Are LiveCode's own frontscripts not debuggable by the user?
> 
> 2.  It looks like if I am willing to edit LiveCode's own frontscript, I can get the information I want.  When I insert this statement
> send "cellWasEdited pObject,txCell,tyCell,tNewText" to pObject
> into the frontscript's "revWriteCellField" handler, I can handle a "cellWasEdited" message in my table field's script.
> 
> Doing this would mean my stack would not work on someone else's machine.  I also wonder whether fiddling with LiveCode's scripts is hazardous, or if there are better ways of doing this.  (I tried inserting my own closeField handler in front, and having it pass closeField on to LC's frontscript.  This did not work.  And some of the useful information is stored as script local variables by LC's frontscript, which doesn't give me access to it in my own script.)
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> David Epstein
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Feb 23 13:07:19 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:07:19 +0100
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDpZFSUGzdsFpPLWjbzuj8a+BT+x=Ff+cNnimhB1d4r5Qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>
	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>
	<9323D7C2-D9D5-40E1-B60E-4803D27F3112@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDrte_T10Xs5g-jLj=4pv3zixGm7zS449oH6_BUEPOs_bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CD53DE7-9359-4F1C-A69F-B9A50A62B743@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDqExUEG1WECOtEjV+N7fCDf39-1yPjCiwkhzmbbfr0LKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<C46260C7-1218-4912-A13E-C54E386197B1@major-k.de>
	<CANbzFDpZFSUGzdsFpPLWjbzuj8a+BT+x=Ff+cNnimhB1d4r5Qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF1689A5-E46B-4C2F-A686-77E37687F0FA@major-k.de>

Hi Zryip,

Am 23.02.2014 um 18:52 schrieb zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com>:

> Klaus,
> 
> Hum we must not use the same IDE. I can inspect each group of the
> datagrid by clicking on "Inspect" + "Groups"
> 
> Is it possible for you to copy the datagrid and the template substack
> in a fresh stack and send me the resulting stack off-list? That's way
> I could have a look to this odd behavior.

sorry, I got fed up, deleted the DG and the template substack,
quit LC, restarted and created a new datagrid.

Now "all is quiet on the western front" :-)

Thanks a lot for your help!

> Best,

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 13:08:41 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:08:41 +0000
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <5309E2A5.408@gmail.com>
References: <530871CE.3040505@fourthworld.com>
	<CAO8ucO5=uFAfY8T8VgVppiDiT1dzoMjSajWWuHNFUrXRBSjarQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5309E2A5.408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C74096D-99B2-407E-90AE-6A5F3454017E@iotecdigital.com>

But whatever you do, do NOT attempt to take the cat on a long walk after getting him intoxicated while listening to a long symphony. First, the cat is likely not going to go very far if you try to walk him, and secondly alcohol is poison to cats. If you don?t believe me and attempt this, your walk with the cat is likely to be a real drag. Eheh.

Bob


On Feb 23, 2014, at 03:59 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>> wrote:

If you don't like 'assert' then go out for a long walk, play with the cat, become intoxicated, listen to a long symphony, or
whatever else gets your creative mind working, and work out a way that you think is better to do the same thing.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 13:10:42 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:10:42 +0200
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <7C74096D-99B2-407E-90AE-6A5F3454017E@iotecdigital.com>
References: <530871CE.3040505@fourthworld.com>	<CAO8ucO5=uFAfY8T8VgVppiDiT1dzoMjSajWWuHNFUrXRBSjarQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5309E2A5.408@gmail.com>
	<7C74096D-99B2-407E-90AE-6A5F3454017E@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <530A39A2.7060703@gmail.com>

On 23/02/14 20:08, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> But whatever you do, do NOT attempt to take the cat on a long walk after getting him intoxicated while listening to a long symphony. First, the cat is likely not going to go very far if you try to walk him, and secondly alcohol is poison to cats. If you don?t believe me and attempt this, your walk with the cat is likely to be a real drag. Eheh.

And don't you dare dress your cat up in drag unless it is LGBT.

Richmond.

> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2014, at 03:59 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> If you don't like 'assert' then go out for a long walk, play with the cat, become intoxicated, listen to a long symphony, or
> whatever else gets your creative mind working, and work out a way that you think is better to do the same thing.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 13:17:59 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:17:59 +0000
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8B27B44B-FF01-4FE8-86C7-30BD9DD5E6EE@iotecdigital.com>

Could it be that editing the script resets the script local variables? This is true in Applescript properties. Editing and saving the script resets the properties to their defaults. 

Bob


On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:56 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 2/22/14, 12:17 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>> I think this is dependant on the Variable Preservation setting on the
>> Preferences Script Editor tab.
> 
> It is, but there's a bug in it somewhere. I use script locals extensively and they always worked until somewhere around version 6.x. After that the values were occasionally lost. Every subsequent version has made the problem worse, and now I lose them so often that I've had to add a reload of the values to almost every handler I'm debugging.
> 
> Since I can't find a consistent recipe (sometimes they do work) I haven't reported it yet, but it's making my life difficult. All I know is that it happens some time after I change a script, but not every time, so I'm at a loss.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 13:27:39 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:27:39 +0000
Subject: assert - Found word(s) list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <66901639-67ab-4188-9cb2-a421a659e505@lists.runrev.com>
References: <5309F818.1000907@gmail.com><953ABF31-E0AB-4798-BCED-77C2748D77B0@mac.com><530A1A07.7000903@gmail.com>
	<66901639-67ab-4188-9cb2-a421a659e505@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C0F66F58-34E6-4285-8C55-4462E5D50B9E@iotecdigital.com>

Wow. I didn?t know you could do that with the Answer dialog!

Bob


On Feb 23, 2014, at 09:01 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net<mailto:mwieder at ahsoftware.net>> wrote:

on assertError a, b, c, d
   answer a, b, c, d
end assertError



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 13:38:42 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:38:42 +0000
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CB601475-9F2D-4B67-B0B9-12BA209527FD@iotecdigital.com>

Nope that is right. It?s ?ignoring? the number of characters you are skipping and treating the character after that as if it were the first character. 

Honestly though, I would have liked to see this work something like the old dBase function at() where the third argument was the instance of what you were looking for, and the result was the absolute position of the character in the search string. AT() would have produced 10 in that case, which is what I think Bill is after.

The way this works now it?s the same as saying ?delete char 1 to 3 of theChars? before the offset function, then adding 3 to the result after it. I don?t really see a need to know what position a character is in after deleting a number of characters before it, but maybe there would be some application for it. 

Bob


On Feb 22, 2014, at 09:49 , prothero at earthednet.org wrote:

> Folks:
> I think there is something weird about "offset". This occurred on version 6.5 and now on 6.6.
> 
> First off, the documents say:
> 
> "the charsToSkip is a non-negative integer. If you don't specify how many charsToSkip, the offset function does not skip any items and starts at the beginning of the stringToSearch."
> 
> Note the use of the word "items".  Skipping characters vs skipping "items" is a different matter. In the revdocs that are online, the definition of "characters" to skip is correct.
> 
> But, that's not the end of the story. Offset does not appear to be working correctly anyway.
> 
> If I run the script:
> 
>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>   put offset("c",theChars)
> 
> I get: 3, which is correct
> 
> If I do:
>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>   put offset("c",theChars,3)
> 
> I get 7.  ??? What the heck? It looks like it returns (the number of characters to the search char) - (# to skip).
> 
> But, if I do:
>   put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>   put offset("c",theChars,7)
> 
> I get: 3
> 
> So, something is very wrong with the offset command. I worked around this in a parsing script by always not skipping any characters, then after I found the first instance, deleting the characters I wanted to skip before the next offset invocation.
> 
> Seems like a bug to me. What do you think? Or is it only my system? Or is the use of the offset function some convoluted logic that's different from most other implementations of an offset function? What do I know? I'm new to Livecode.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 13:42:00 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:42:00 +0000
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <96422B1E-FE74-41E3-A3E1-7C11CE080C3A@earthednet.org>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<96422B1E-FE74-41E3-A3E1-7C11CE080C3A@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <079A81E2-5C79-4CA2-AE2E-FD3D4FD417C2@iotecdigital.com>

Yes and I said as much in a prior post. Calling a handler a ?script? is a bad habit some of us have fallen into, but the human brain is wonderfully adept at hearing what people mean, and not necessarily what people say, which by the way is what makes for all the miscommunication between computers and men. Computers only do what we say. Humans are always trying to interpret why computers mean. 

Bob


On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:32 , prothero at earthednet.org wrote:

> Folks:
> I get it. It seems an odd way to implement it, though. Anyway, a clarification in the docs would help the confusion, and the use of the word "items" in the docs is definitely confusing.
> 
> Another thing that confuses me, as a newbie, is the free interchangeable use of "handler" and "script". In my understanding, a "script" is the entire collection of handlers within an object. A handler is what comes between the "on someName" and the "end someName" or the "function someName" and the "end someName". I am still not clear on the limits of how many "scripts" in the front scripts and whether the limit applies to "scripts" or "handlers".
> 
> Minor frustrations all, because i do like livecode and have been feeling very productive using it.
> 
> Best,
> Bill
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 10:25 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> If you specify a number of characters to skip, the offset that is returned
>> is relative to that number, not the start of the string.  So if you specify
>> 7 characters to skip and the character you are looking for is the 10th
>> character in the string, you will get (10-7) or 3 as the result.
>> 
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:49 AM, prothero at earthednet.org <
>> prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Folks:
>>> I think there is something weird about "offset". This occurred on version
>>> 6.5 and now on 6.6.
>>> 
>>> First off, the documents say:
>>> 
>>> "the charsToSkip is a non-negative integer. If you don't specify how many
>>> charsToSkip, the offset function does not skip any items and starts at the
>>> beginning of the stringToSearch."
>>> 
>>> Note the use of the word "items".  Skipping characters vs skipping "items"
>>> is a different matter. In the revdocs that are online, the definition of
>>> "characters" to skip is correct.
>>> 
>>> But, that's not the end of the story. Offset does not appear to be working
>>> correctly anyway.
>>> 
>>> If I run the script:
>>> 
>>>  put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>>>  put offset("c",theChars)
>>> 
>>> I get: 3, which is correct
>>> 
>>> If I do:
>>>  put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>>>  put offset("c",theChars,3)
>>> 
>>> I get 7.  ??? What the heck? It looks like it returns (the number of
>>> characters to the search char) - (# to skip).
>>> 
>>> But, if I do:
>>>  put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>>>  put offset("c",theChars,7)
>>> 
>>> I get: 3
>>> 
>>> So, something is very wrong with the offset command. I worked around this
>>> in a parsing script by always not skipping any characters, then after I
>>> found the first instance, deleting the characters I wanted to skip before
>>> the next offset invocation.
>>> 
>>> Seems like a bug to me. What do you think? Or is it only my system? Or is
>>> the use of the offset function some convoluted logic that's different from
>>> most other implementations of an offset function? What do I know? I'm new
>>> to Livecode.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> William Prothero
>>> http://es.earthednet.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 13:48:44 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:48:44 +0000
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <530A39A2.7060703@gmail.com>
References: <530871CE.3040505@fourthworld.com>
	<CAO8ucO5=uFAfY8T8VgVppiDiT1dzoMjSajWWuHNFUrXRBSjarQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5309E2A5.408@gmail.com>
	<7C74096D-99B2-407E-90AE-6A5F3454017E@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A39A2.7060703@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B6B6FA4-E4B9-4122-A388-731D121D0867@iotecdigital.com>

My problem is trying to get the cat to STOP dressing up in drag when I?m not around.

Bob


On Feb 23, 2014, at 10:10 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23/02/14 20:08, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> But whatever you do, do NOT attempt to take the cat on a long walk after getting him intoxicated while listening to a long symphony. First, the cat is likely not going to go very far if you try to walk him, and secondly alcohol is poison to cats. If you don?t believe me and attempt this, your walk with the cat is likely to be a real drag. Eheh.
> 
> And don't you dare dress your cat up in drag unless it is LGBT.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 23, 2014, at 03:59 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you don't like 'assert' then go out for a long walk, play with the cat, become intoxicated, listen to a long symphony, or
>> whatever else gets your creative mind working, and work out a way that you think is better to do the same thing.
>> 
>> Richmond.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 13:51:18 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:51:18 +0000
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>

Very cool Richmond! I should try to find my old Radio Station Manager app I created a-whay back. It actually calculated money owed to stations that aired our program and cut them checks! <sigh> the good old days. 

Bob


On Feb 23, 2014, at 09:56 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> A Gold Mine turns out to be available, still:
> 
> http://www.umich.edu/~archive/mac/hypercard/
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 13:54:11 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:54:11 +0200
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.6 DP1
In-Reply-To: <5B6B6FA4-E4B9-4122-A388-731D121D0867@iotecdigital.com>
References: <530871CE.3040505@fourthworld.com>	<CAO8ucO5=uFAfY8T8VgVppiDiT1dzoMjSajWWuHNFUrXRBSjarQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5309E2A5.408@gmail.com>	<7C74096D-99B2-407E-90AE-6A5F3454017E@iotecdigital.com>	<530A39A2.7060703@gmail.com>
	<5B6B6FA4-E4B9-4122-A388-731D121D0867@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <530A43D3.3070203@gmail.com>

On 23/02/14 20:48, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> My problem is trying to get the cat to STOP dressing up in drag when I?m not around.

Obviously it is trying to ASSERT itself, and OFFSET some of the negative 
aspects of living with you:

Next thing you know it will be Skipping Characters :)

>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2014, at 10:10 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23/02/14 20:08, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> But whatever you do, do NOT attempt to take the cat on a long walk after getting him intoxicated while listening to a long symphony. First, the cat is likely not going to go very far if you try to walk him, and secondly alcohol is poison to cats. If you don?t believe me and attempt this, your walk with the cat is likely to be a real drag. Eheh.
>> And don't you dare dress your cat up in drag unless it is LGBT.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2014, at 03:59 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you don't like 'assert' then go out for a long walk, play with the cat, become intoxicated, listen to a long symphony, or
>>> whatever else gets your creative mind working, and work out a way that you think is better to do the same thing.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 23 14:01:58 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:01:58 -0600
Subject: Edit cell in basic table field
In-Reply-To: <DE0C7761-958C-4FBA-AE10-81D40C7DF89F@comcast.net>
References: <DE0C7761-958C-4FBA-AE10-81D40C7DF89F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <530A45A6.1070605@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/22/14, 9:05 PM, David Epstein wrote:

> Inspecting "the frontscripts", I discovered that the handlers governing
> basic table fields are in the script of button "revTable" of group
> "revLibraries" of stack "revLibrary."
>
> 1.  Hoping to see table-editing in action, I set a checkpoint at the
> beginning of the "on mouseUp" handler in that script.  But clicking the
> field did not cause execution to halt or the debugger to open.  Are
> LiveCode's own frontscripts not debuggable by the user?

To prevent interference, normally rev stacks don't respond to debugging. 
You can change that behavior by setting the global gRevDevelopment to 
true. You should see it listed in the global variables pane of the 
message box if the checkbox for Rev UI variables is selected.

>
> 2.  It looks like if I am willing to edit LiveCode's own frontscript, I
> can get the information I want.  When I insert this statement
> send "cellWasEdited pObject,txCell,tyCell,tNewText" to pObject
> into the frontscript's "revWriteCellField" handler, I can handle a
> "cellWasEdited" message in my table field's script.
>
> Doing this would mean my stack would not work on someone else's
> machine.  I also wonder whether fiddling with LiveCode's scripts is
> hazardous, or if there are better ways of doing this.  (I tried
> inserting my own closeField handler in front, and having it pass
> closeField on to LC's frontscript.  This did not work.  And some of the
> useful information is stored as script local variables by LC's
> frontscript, which doesn't give me access to it in my own script.)

You'll probably not want to change the debugging state on someone else's 
machine. All kinds of havoc can result if the user doesn't expect it. 
Actually, you should only change it yourself while you're actively 
working on the rev script, then set it back when you're done.

But once you have things the way you want them, you can just put a copy 
of that button into your own stack and insert its script into the front. 
There's nothing special about it, it's just a library.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 23 14:06:59 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:06:59 -0600
Subject: dg library put errors into msg when opening card?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOCdpwvqm4bkpNYRPs4CZsaGFA4bDvoUTV1Oc_iOfdZmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92A31C02-7733-46F2-A29F-F3B754BF8674@major-k.de>	<CANbzFDrF_tLhT0egWjP=ML_WH6kayP8Skxzb9dcVFXvf-x2U8A@mail.gmail.com>	<0F60BBDF-F677-4D8D-9A02-0744B3C3FBBC@major-k.de>	<767E2E48-42D1-4893-8C81-B13C9A969BCA@major-k.de>	<CANbzFDrDdxjMKNRgPVHcetfTOwg-wHtMYK17SVb_CeU0BgkmmA@mail.gmail.com>	<72BDD50C-F67E-4225-83A1-3602489AEE04@major-k.de>	<9323D7C2-D9D5-40E1-B60E-4803D27F3112@major-k.de>	<CANbzFDrte_T10Xs5g-jLj=4pv3zixGm7zS449oH6_BUEPOs_bw@mail.gmail.com>	<4CD53DE7-9359-4F1C-A69F-B9A50A62B743@major-k.de>	<CANbzFDqExUEG1WECOtEjV+N7fCDf39-1yPjCiwkhzmbbfr0LKA@mail.gmail.com>	<C46260C7-1218-4912-A13E-C54E386197B1@major-k.de>
	<CAGDT7eOCdpwvqm4bkpNYRPs4CZsaGFA4bDvoUTV1Oc_iOfdZmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530A46D3.3030007@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/23/14, 11:47 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Have no idea whether that works in the Project Browser or rIDE.  In
> lcSTackBrowser, there's a preference setting for any custom control that
> determines whether you can see its components or not irrespective of the
> selectGroupedControls setting.

There's a checkbox for it in the Basic pane of the native property 
inspector too.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 14:07:08 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 21:07:08 +0200
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>

On 23/02/14 20:51, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Very cool Richmond! I should try to find my old Radio Station Manager app I created a-whay back. It actually calculated money owed to stations that aired our program and cut them checks! <sigh> the good old days.
>
> Bob
>

I am not sure how comprehensive that is; I found another version of that 
here:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/cmcl/link.iwarp/member/OldFiles/tomstr/Mac2/Michigan/mac.bin/hypercard/

Richmond.

> On Feb 23, 2014, at 09:56 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A Gold Mine turns out to be available, still:
>>
>> http://www.umich.edu/~archive/mac/hypercard/
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 23 14:09:03 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:09:03 -0600
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <8B27B44B-FF01-4FE8-86C7-30BD9DD5E6EE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8B27B44B-FF01-4FE8-86C7-30BD9DD5E6EE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <530A474F.1050708@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/23/14, 12:17 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Could it be that editing the script resets the script local
> variables? This is true in Applescript properties. Editing and saving
> the script resets the properties to their defaults.

Don't think so, that was one of my first tests when I tried to reproduce 
the problem. I'm going with "script error" as the culprit for now.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 23 14:14:25 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:14:25 -0600
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <2EF925FB-132E-4AF1-A81D-0D07BF6CF6F4@mac.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>	<CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<17181236917.20140222184232@ahsoftware.net>	<530963DB.1010606@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2EF925FB-132E-4AF1-A81D-0D07BF6CF6F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <530A4891.7020804@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/23/14, 4:30 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> I've just read that bit of the dictionary and I'm equally surprised.
> I also think I  must have completely misunderstood it, because I
> can't see how it can work. The value of a script local variable
> (unless it's predefined using an '=' construction) is undefined until
> a script is run, and is then only defined when an executing script
> puts something into the variable. A script can only be run when the
> program is executing. When the program containing the script quits,
> any information in variables, global or local, is lost because one
> can't normally save an executable stack outside the IDE (yes, I know
> about splash stacks and such, but the principle is correct). So next
> time the script is compiled, we **must** be back at square one, and
> the value of local variables **cannot** be maintained. What's wrong
> with this thinking?

Since I just discovered this, I'm trying to figure it out too. There 
must be a difference between declaring a constant and declaring a 
variable. So the only thing I can think of is that a script local 
variable can be altered by different handlers in the script, where a 
constant cannot. I.e., the value declaration is a starting point but 
isn't a fixed immutable value the way a constant is.

I haven't tried it yet, maybe someone else can confirm.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Feb 23 14:58:49 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:58:49 -0800
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Sunday, February 23, 2014, 11:07:08 AM, you wrote:

> I am not sure how comprehensive that is; I found another version of that
> here:

Sherman, set the wayback machine to 1995.
We're going to visit .sit.hqx.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb 23 15:46:16 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:46:16 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <530A474F.1050708@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8B27B44B-FF01-4FE8-86C7-30BD9DD5E6EE@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A474F.1050708@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNGJKtgMoCBu_gWA81UvN1Q1PZgz58qnRfcYTavK25UWw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:09 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> Don't think so, that was one of my first tests when I tried to reproduce
> the problem. I'm going with "script error" as the culprit for now.


I confirm that a script compile error wipes out the contents of any script
local variables in the script, at least in a very simple test I did.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb 23 15:52:29 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:52:29 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <530A4891.7020804@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>
	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<17181236917.20140222184232@ahsoftware.net>
	<530963DB.1010606@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2EF925FB-132E-4AF1-A81D-0D07BF6CF6F4@mac.com>
	<530A4891.7020804@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOvVmCtBR+bZO_ywPOWec5w8e-9W6z7PDjqBkgFxm1r5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:14 AM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> I haven't tried it yet, maybe someone else can confirm.


Yes, you can change the value of a script local variable in the way you
described

What's really interesting though is that the value of a script local
variable assigned in this way is NOt wiped out by a script compile error.It
feels like the value is assigned to the variable each and every time a
handler in the script is executed.



Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Feb 23 15:53:40 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 12:53:40 -0800
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <CB601475-9F2D-4B67-B0B9-12BA209527FD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CB601475-9F2D-4B67-B0B9-12BA209527FD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4470B326-F0CD-4EB8-9CFB-C72CA239BD65@earthednet.org>

Folks,
Perhaps I missed it in the docs, but I didn't see where it said the char count returned by offset was measured from the skipped chars count. I do skim, so could have easily missed the fine print. 

The way that it's implemented means to get the char position of the found char, you need to do an extra step. But, obviously, it would be crazy to change it and break so much legacy code. Adding info to the docs might protect a newby, but in my case, I did a quick workaround to solve my problem, then pondered why it didn't work the way I expected, later.

Thanks for all the discussion.
Best,
Bill


William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Feb 23, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Nope that is right. It?s ?ignoring? the number of characters you are skipping and treating the character after that as if it were the first character. 
> 
> Honestly though, I would have liked to see this work something like the old dBase function at() where the third argument was the instance of what you were looking for, and the result was the absolute position of the character in the search string. AT() would have produced 10 in that case, which is what I think Bill is after.
> 
> The way this works now it?s the same as saying ?delete char 1 to 3 of theChars? before the offset function, then adding 3 to the result after it. I don?t really see a need to know what position a character is in after deleting a number of characters before it, but maybe there would be some application for it. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 09:49 , prothero at earthednet.org wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> I think there is something weird about "offset". This occurred on version 6.5 and now on 6.6.
>> 
>> First off, the documents say:
>> 
>> "the charsToSkip is a non-negative integer. If you don't specify how many charsToSkip, the offset function does not skip any items and starts at the beginning of the stringToSearch."
>> 
>> Note the use of the word "items".  Skipping characters vs skipping "items" is a different matter. In the revdocs that are online, the definition of "characters" to skip is correct.
>> 
>> But, that's not the end of the story. Offset does not appear to be working correctly anyway.
>> 
>> If I run the script:
>> 
>>  put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>>  put offset("c",theChars)
>> 
>> I get: 3, which is correct
>> 
>> If I do:
>>  put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>>  put offset("c",theChars,3)
>> 
>> I get 7.  ??? What the heck? It looks like it returns (the number of characters to the search char) - (# to skip).
>> 
>> But, if I do:
>>  put "abcdefgabcccablmnopoq" into theChars
>>  put offset("c",theChars,7)
>> 
>> I get: 3
>> 
>> So, something is very wrong with the offset command. I worked around this in a parsing script by always not skipping any characters, then after I found the first instance, deleting the characters I wanted to skip before the next offset invocation.
>> 
>> Seems like a bug to me. What do you think? Or is it only my system? Or is the use of the offset function some convoluted logic that's different from most other implementations of an offset function? What do I know? I'm new to Livecode.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb 23 16:02:16 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 13:02:16 -0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOvVmCtBR+bZO_ywPOWec5w8e-9W6z7PDjqBkgFxm1r5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>
	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<17181236917.20140222184232@ahsoftware.net>
	<530963DB.1010606@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2EF925FB-132E-4AF1-A81D-0D07BF6CF6F4@mac.com>
	<530A4891.7020804@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eOvVmCtBR+bZO_ywPOWec5w8e-9W6z7PDjqBkgFxm1r5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePSsC5kdUnb_LT6QdAshPW6cWfA4xm0nuc4VeO3ed4yLA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, hit send too soon.  Her's a more detailed version.

In a card script, I have

local sVar="xyz"

function getVar
   return sVar
end getVar

command changeVar
   put "abc" into sVar
end changeVar

In button A on the card, I have:

on mouseUp
   put getVar()
end mouseUp

In button B on the card, I have

on mouseUp
   changeVar
end mouseUp

I click button A and "xyz" appears in the message box.

I click button B, then button A and "abc" appears in the message box.  So
you can change the value of script local variables with values assigned in
this way.

Here's the interesting part.  I deliberately caused a script compile error
in the card script, corrected it, and recompiled, then clicked button B,
and "xyz" appeared in the message box.

So it appears that script compile errors don't wipe out the original value
assigned to a script local variable in this way, but not any subsequent
changes made to it.  I guess that makes sense because it seems like the
value is assigned to the script local variable every time a handler in the
script is executed.




Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:14 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I haven't tried it yet, maybe someone else can confirm.
>
>
> Yes, you can change the value of a script local variable in the way you
> described
>
> What's really interesting though is that the value of a script local
> variable assigned in this way is NOt wiped out by a script compile error.It
> feels like the value is assigned to the variable each and every time a
> handler in the script is executed.
>
>
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Feb 23 16:14:32 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:14:32 +0200
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>
	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>

On 23/02/14 21:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Richmond-
>
> Sunday, February 23, 2014, 11:07:08 AM, you wrote:
>
>> I am not sure how comprehensive that is; I found another version of that
>> here:
> Sherman, set the wayback machine to 1995.
> We're going to visit .sit.hqx.
>

Yeah, well, if like me, you have an iMac G3 running Mac OS 9.2.2 sitting 
on your desk
things such as .hqx and 'sit should not be a headache.

Richmond maybe a bit mad keeping lots of old-tech lying around, but not 
completely . . . LOL

I suppose, if I really felt mind-blowingly public-spirited, I would 
download the lot, decompress
everything and repackage things as .zip files: the question then would 
be, where would I
upload them to: this being, preferably, an FTP site with a replica of 
the file structure of the Michigan Rep.

Richmond.



From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Feb 23 16:34:48 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:34:48 -0500
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>

Downloading those .hqx files leaves them as .sit, and those open ok with most decompressors I think.

I tried renaming a file to .rev, and it opened in LiveCode. The card was blank, and LiveCode crashed when I tried to look at the card script.


On Feb 23, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> >Yeah, well, if like me, you have an iMac G3 running Mac OS 9.2.2 sitting on your desk
> things such as .hqx and 'sit should not be a headache.



From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Feb 23 17:00:25 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 14:00:25 -0800
Subject: 6.6 revTools placement
In-Reply-To: <5309E320.9080605@gmail.com>
References: <5309E320.9080605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO97Cnr0Po-iQNP0W+xrU+Lud2dCcr2sbPdqO4jQs7tEw@mail.gmail.com>

Haven't seen that behavior, it opens where it was positioned last time LC
closed down.  This is on OSX 10.7.4

Related to that, I d rather not see the Tools palette open at all on
startup if it was'nt open when LC closed down.  I believe that's the way
the Application Browser works.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> Is it only me (LOL), or is it a universal phenomenon that
> every time one starts up Livecode 6.6 dp1 the revTools stack opens
> centre-screen
> (or, center-screen) rather than where one parked it last time?
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 17:31:01 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 22:31:01 +0000
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <530A4891.7020804@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com>
	<5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com>	<CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<17181236917.20140222184232@ahsoftware.net>
	<530963DB.1010606@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2EF925FB-132E-4AF1-A81D-0D07BF6CF6F4@mac.com>
	<530A4891.7020804@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <FC97A6BA-636F-4620-B14A-C9788C563098@iotecdigital.com>

Right, otherwise CONSTANT would just be another name for VARIABLE. 

Bob


On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:14 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 2/23/14, 4:30 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> I've just read that bit of the dictionary and I'm equally surprised.
>> I also think I  must have completely misunderstood it, because I
>> can't see how it can work. The value of a script local variable
>> (unless it's predefined using an '=' construction) is undefined until
>> a script is run, and is then only defined when an executing script
>> puts something into the variable. A script can only be run when the
>> program is executing. When the program containing the script quits,
>> any information in variables, global or local, is lost because one
>> can't normally save an executable stack outside the IDE (yes, I know
>> about splash stacks and such, but the principle is correct). So next
>> time the script is compiled, we **must** be back at square one, and
>> the value of local variables **cannot** be maintained. What's wrong
>> with this thinking?
> 
> Since I just discovered this, I'm trying to figure it out too. There must be a difference between declaring a constant and declaring a variable. So the only thing I can think of is that a script local variable can be altered by different handlers in the script, where a constant cannot. I.e., the value declaration is a starting point but isn't a fixed immutable value the way a constant is.
> 
> I haven't tried it yet, maybe someone else can confirm.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Feb 23 17:32:58 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:32:58 +0100
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <530A474F.1050708@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>
	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>
	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>
	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8B27B44B-FF01-4FE8-86C7-30BD9DD5E6EE@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A474F.1050708@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B409DFFA-F43E-43AB-A9B4-ADA8B0EB47A5@mac.com>

I see that I have misunderstood the context of this 'feature' (if that's what it is). It refers to a situation where one runs a script in the IDE, finds an error, corrects it and runs it again. It's entirely an IDE thing, isn't it? Compilation can happen outside the IDE, for example where a splash stack invokes other stacks containing scripts, but the developer doesn't see this directly so can't mess with the script and go again. I was thinking in a wider context, where the stack gets removed completely from the machine and then is brought back. That isn't what it's about. 

Not quite so puzzled

Graham
 
On 23 Feb 2014, at 20:09, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 2/23/14, 12:17 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Could it be that editing the script resets the script local
>> variables? This is true in Applescript properties. Editing and saving
>> the script resets the properties to their defaults.
> 
> Don't think so, that was one of my first tests when I tried to reproduce the problem. I'm going with "script error" as the culprit for now.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb 23 17:41:24 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:41:24 -0600
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <4470B326-F0CD-4EB8-9CFB-C72CA239BD65@earthednet.org>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>	<CB601475-9F2D-4B67-B0B9-12BA209527FD@iotecdigital.com>
	<4470B326-F0CD-4EB8-9CFB-C72CA239BD65@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <530A7914.4080901@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/23/14, 2:53 PM, Earthednet-wp wrote:
> Folks, Perhaps I missed it in the docs, but I didn't see where it
> said the char count returned by offset was measured from the skipped
> chars count. I do skim, so could have easily missed the fine print.

It's in the last paragraph in the "offset" entry:

"If you specify how many charsToSkip, the offset function skips the 
specified number of characters in the stringToSearch. The value returned 
is relative to this starting point instead of the beginning of the 
stringToSearch."

One of the syntax examples shows it, though it would be easy to miss if 
you weren't looking for it:

   offset("b","abacadabra",2) -- returns 6

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 17:57:39 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 22:57:39 +0000
Subject: Script local variables - Found word(s) list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <4853a41b-ef27-48bb-b3d0-e4253b2e6514@lists.runrev.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com><CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com><238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com><908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org><CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com><5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com><403F3FDC-9A80-4EB7-8259-3F79E78B58A3@gmail.com><5309572E.3000805@hyperactivesw.com><CF2E9C0B.3B456%scott@tactilemedia.com><17181236917.20140222184232@ahsoftware.net><530963DB.1010606@hyperactivesw.com><2EF925FB-132E-4AF1-A81D-0D07BF6CF6F4@mac.com><530A4891.7020804@hyperactivesw.com><CAGDT7eOvVmCtBR+bZO_ywPOWec5w8e-9W6z7PDjqBkgFxm1r5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<4853a41b-ef27-48bb-b3d0-e4253b2e6514@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D7EA64E-BF46-4EAE-839F-DC731F4220D2@iotecdigital.com>

Okay I just did a simple test. Given:

local sVar = "abc"

on mouseUp
   breakpoint 
   put sVar
   put "abc" into bVar
   put "123" into sVar
end mouseUp

With Variable Preservation turned on, the first time through I get ?abc? in the message box. The second time through I get ?123? in the message box as you would expect. I then make a script edit and recompile. The next time I get ?abc? in the message box, definitively proving that recompiling DOES in fact re-initialize the local variable WITH Variable Preservation turned on!

Now I change the first line to read: local sVar and the turn variable preservation off. I make a script edit the variable resets. If I turn on variable preservation it does not. So it appears that pre-loading a value into a script local variable TRUMPS variable preservation, in the sense that the recompile will ALWAYS reinitialize the script local variable at compile time. 

HTH

Bob


On Feb 23, 2014, at 13:02 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Sorry, hit send too soon.  Her's a more detailed version.
> 
> In a card script, I have
> 
> local sVar="xyz"
> 
> function getVar
>   return sVar
> end getVar
> 
> command changeVar
>   put "abc" into sVar
> end changeVar
> 
> In button A on the card, I have:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put getVar()
> end mouseUp
> 
> In button B on the card, I have
> 
> on mouseUp
>   changeVar
> end mouseUp
> 
> I click button A and "xyz" appears in the message box.
> 
> I click button B, then button A and "abc" appears in the message box.  So
> you can change the value of script local variables with values assigned in
> this way.
> 
> Here's the interesting part.  I deliberately caused a script compile error
> in the card script, corrected it, and recompiled, then clicked button B,
> and "xyz" appeared in the message box.
> 
> So it appears that script compile errors don't wipe out the original value
> assigned to a script local variable in this way, but not any subsequent
> changes made to it.  I guess that makes sense because it seems like the
> value is assigned to the script local variable every time a handler in the
> script is executed.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:14 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I haven't tried it yet, maybe someone else can confirm.
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, you can change the value of a script local variable in the way you
>> described
>> 
>> What's really interesting though is that the value of a script local
>> variable assigned in this way is NOt wiped out by a script compile error.It
>> feels like the value is assigned to the variable each and every time a
>> handler in the script is executed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 18:03:00 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:03:00 +0000
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>
	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <123C47F4-F867-40B2-A64A-22B944A2A305@iotecdigital.com>

What really made me give up on Hypercard and Supercard was the fact that stacks with more that 2000 cards kept corrupting themselves, and the xcmd?s capable of accessing dBase databases were sketchy at best. 

What got me BACK into using a Hypercard-like environment was Runtime Revolution which had support for databases. I think if Hypercard had done that way back then, and Jobs hadn?t killed it, we might still have Hypercard today. 

Bob


On Feb 23, 2014, at 13:14 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23/02/14 21:58, Mark Wieder wrote:
>> Richmond-
>> 
>> Sunday, February 23, 2014, 11:07:08 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> I am not sure how comprehensive that is; I found another version of that
>>> here:
>> Sherman, set the wayback machine to 1995.
>> We're going to visit .sit.hqx.
>> 
> 
> Yeah, well, if like me, you have an iMac G3 running Mac OS 9.2.2 sitting on your desk
> things such as .hqx and 'sit should not be a headache.
> 
> Richmond maybe a bit mad keeping lots of old-tech lying around, but not completely . . . LOL
> 
> I suppose, if I really felt mind-blowingly public-spirited, I would download the lot, decompress
> everything and repackage things as .zip files: the question then would be, where would I
> upload them to: this being, preferably, an FTP site with a replica of the file structure of the Michigan Rep.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Sun Feb 23 18:15:25 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:15:25 +0000
Subject: Script local variables - Found word(s) list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <3e104b9d-41ab-4556-b476-cff662ca3eb0@lists.runrev.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com><CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com><238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com><908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org><CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com><5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com><8B27B44B-FF01-4FE8-86C7-30BD9DD5E6EE@iotecdigital.com><530A474F.1050708@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3e104b9d-41ab-4556-b476-cff662ca3eb0@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E0F30642-844B-4B33-8834-11BF229C6B48@iotecdigital.com>

I think the idea is to be able to preload a variable the first time a script is accessed in a session, and by session I mean when the application is launched. Quitting and re-launching the app would count as a second session. While the app is running, you could change the variable and it?s value would be persistent UNTIL you recompiled the script.

In this case the form local sVar = ?123? would re-initialize the variable any time the script is compiled. If you used the form local sVar and then changed the value of sVar in an initialization script, the the value would be preserved through compiles PROVIDING Preserve Variables was turned on in the script editor preferences.

I can see this being useful as a way to flag if a handler is being run for the first time in a session, but I?ve discovered that it cannot be used if you expect to recompile at any point during a session. So what I do is I have a global variable called initialized, and when I open the stack I check the value of this variable. If it?s not true, I call an initialization routine. It?s more work, but then I don?t run into the unexpected consequences of variable pre-loading.

Bob


On Feb 23, 2014, at 14:32 , Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com<mailto:livfoss at mac.com>> wrote:

I see that I have misunderstood the context of this 'feature' (if that's what it is). It refers to a situation where one runs a script in the IDE, finds an error, corrects it and runs it again. It's entirely an IDE thing, isn't it? Compilation can happen outside the IDE, for example where a splash stack invokes other stacks containing scripts, but the developer doesn't see this directly so can't mess with the script and go again. I was thinking in a wider context, where the stack gets removed completely from the machine and then is brought back. That isn't what it's about.

Not quite so puzzled

Graham



From endernafi at keehuna.com  Sun Feb 23 18:59:36 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 01:59:36 +0200
Subject: Localization on iOS
Message-ID: <etPan.530a8b68.25e45d32.123@fdbqRetina.local>

Hi folks,

It seems that no matter the user?s localization settings {choice of interface or keyboard language} are,
Livecode apps? native-to-iOS controls use English.

Example:
User?s iPhone is set to Turkish but the mobile browser instance within my Livecode app which loads a local pdf shows ?2 of 163? as page numbers.
So was the mergPop external of Monte, the options are: Save Image, Assign to Contact, Add to Reading List, etc.

I was editing the Settings.plist files to overcome this problem:
<key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>English</string>
to
<key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>Turkish</string>

That changes the pdf page numbers to ?2 / 163?
and mergPop?s options to: G?r?nt?y? Kaydet, Ki?iye Ata, Okuma Listesine Ekle, ...

So far so good, because nearly all my clients? target audience are Turkish.
But in fact, this is an awful workaround because now it?s only in Turkish no matter in what language the device is used.
Mine is all in English, for example; yet, if I open Safari, I see an English menu but if I open one of my apps, I see Turkish entries.

And worse of all, there is no way that I can develop a multilanguage, truly localized app.
Changing native-to-Livecode fields, buttons, etc. is easy; but how can I update the native-to-iOS entries like mobile browser?s or externals? ?

What I need is, my Livecode app reads the system language and reflects it to the native-to-iOS options/entries/menus, etc.

Is there a way to accomplish this, maybe an entry as follows:
<key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>${SYSTEM_BUNDLE_REGION}</string>

That string is totally pseudo, btw :)


Thanks for any insights?


Best,

~ Ender

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Feb 23 19:18:23 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:18:23 -0800
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>
	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
	<E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <82158986355.20140223161823@ahsoftware.net>

Colin-

Sunday, February 23, 2014, 1:34:48 PM, you wrote:

> Downloading those .hqx files leaves them as .sit, and those open
> ok with most decompressors I think.

I think I've been rickrolled.
Archive Manager says "could not open this file type".
Apparently Aladdin used to have a linux unstuffer at some time in the
past, but that was removed many moons ago.
Pity. I was so looking forward to those xcmds.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Feb 23 19:57:22 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:57:22 -0500
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <82158986355.20140223161823@ahsoftware.net>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
	<E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>
	<82158986355.20140223161823@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <FA87CC29-3BF1-4756-958F-AB970CAB4443@verizon.net>

I tried opening several of the files, including the .CPT ones. They all decompress ok. If there are any in particular you want I can send them over.




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Feb 23 21:09:49 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:09:49 -0800
Subject: Finding available memory without shell, how to use hasMemory()
In-Reply-To: <CADJRyz165m1URWedKEwDusCSyAwze7HiwvnkeTgFQGp4O5Xc+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADJRyz165m1URWedKEwDusCSyAwze7HiwvnkeTgFQGp4O5Xc+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <114165672104.20140223180949@ahsoftware.net>

Gabriel-

Thursday, February 20, 2014, 11:07:59 AM, you wrote:

> Hey All,

> I am working on a program where I need to know the amount of available
> memory.

> I'm running on OS X and hasMemory() appears to return true/false for the
> same values regardless changes to free/available memory. Is there some
> trick to getting hasMemory() to correspond with the actual available
> memory? Is this possibly something that is being addressed in newer
> versions of LiveCode?

Ah, the curse of modern operating systems...

What the hasMemory() function does is allocate and then free the
specified amount of memory, and then returns a boolean telling whether
it was successful. However, before doing that, it casts the desired
amount as a uint4, which limits the amount to 2147483647. If you're
trying to see if more than 2G of memory is available, that won't help.
And because modern operating systems will very happily exchange chunks
of memory out to swap files when necessary, it's unlikely that you'll
see the malloc fail, and thus you should see a "true" return value.

Are you doing something where you really need to see the actual free
ram without the swap/inactive memory? The "available" term here is a
bit ambiguous, and depends on your needs.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Feb 23 22:13:35 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:13:35 -0800
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <530A7914.4080901@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CB601475-9F2D-4B67-B0B9-12BA209527FD@iotecdigital.com>
	<4470B326-F0CD-4EB8-9CFB-C72CA239BD65@earthednet.org>
	<530A7914.4080901@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C9BBDC32-DF37-46A2-A7F3-84250CE124B8@earthednet.org>

I always had trouble getting my students to read instructions. I used formatting and hilighting to emphasize critical points, which helped a bit. Anyway, I'll have to be more diligent about reading the docs. I'm also amazed at the amount of discussion this topic generated.
Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:41 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/23/14, 2:53 PM, Earthednet-wp wrote:
>> Folks, Perhaps I missed it in the docs, but I didn't see where it
>> said the char count returned by offset was measured from the skipped
>> chars count. I do skim, so could have easily missed the fine print.
> 
> It's in the last paragraph in the "offset" entry:
> 
> "If you specify how many charsToSkip, the offset function skips the specified number of characters in the stringToSearch. The value returned is relative to this starting point instead of the beginning of the stringToSearch."
> 
> One of the syntax examples shows it, though it would be easy to miss if you weren't looking for it:
> 
>  offset("b","abacadabra",2) -- returns 6
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 24 00:04:08 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 23:04:08 -0600
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <C9BBDC32-DF37-46A2-A7F3-84250CE124B8@earthednet.org>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CB601475-9F2D-4B67-B0B9-12BA209527FD@iotecdigital.com>
	<4470B326-F0CD-4EB8-9CFB-C72CA239BD65@earthednet.org>
	<530A7914.4080901@hyperactivesw.com>
	<C9BBDC32-DF37-46A2-A7F3-84250CE124B8@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <a709d1e5-f4a9-4688-89e6-7ddea247c029@email.android.com>

I love when that happens.  Pat yourself on the back.  

On February 23, 2014 9:13:35 PM CST, Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
. I'm
>also amazed at the amount of discussion this topic generated.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 00:49:36 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 07:49:36 +0200
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
	<E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <530ADD70.7010304@gmail.com>

On 23/02/14 23:34, Colin Holgate wrote:
> Downloading those .hqx files leaves them as .sit, and those open ok with most decompressors I think.
>
> I tried renaming a file to .rev, and it opened in LiveCode. The card was blank, and LiveCode crashed when I tried to look at the card script.

I have a feeling opening a Hypercard file with Livecode is asking for 
trouble.

Presumably, among other things, the fact that a HC file should have both 
a resource fork and a 'what-ever-the-other-fork-is-called-bit-I-cannot 
remember' fork will not help.

Maybe open it in a text editor, or, heaven forfend, Hypercard running on 
a Mac running a 'Classic' system, or Sheepshaver doing the same.

Richmond.

>
>
> On Feb 23, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Yeah, well, if like me, you have an iMac G3 running Mac OS 9.2.2 sitting on your desk
>> things such as .hqx and 'sit should not be a headache.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Feb 24 01:17:21 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 22:17:21 -0800
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <530ADD70.7010304@gmail.com>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>
	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
	<E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>
	<530ADD70.7010304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+hxPYu4UqvqvMKvXsdVQK1AyT=WhRVee7iqt0JJ4vayw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> Maybe open it in a text editor, or, heaven forfend, Hypercard running on a
> Mac running a 'Classic' system, or Sheepshaver doing the same.


Get it to run in System 9 in Classic mode, copy the scripts, take a
snapshot of the UI and get away.

sqb

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From simon at asato-media.com  Mon Feb 24 01:21:46 2014
From: simon at asato-media.com (As_Simon)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 22:21:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>
	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com> <53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1393222906836-4676318.post@n4.nabble.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote
> function getAllOffsets pData,pChar -- find all instances of a char
>    put 0 into tSkip -- start at beginning
>    repeat
>      put offset(pChar,pData,tSkip) into tNextOffset -- chars since skip 
> point
>      if tNextOffset = 0 then exit repeat -- no more found
>      add tNextOffset to tSkip -- move the marker
>      put tSkip & comma after tRes -- store it
>    end repeat
>    return tRes
> end getAllOffsets

Sweet!
In The Complete Works of William Shakespeare
There are 328987 occurrences of the letter "t"
It took 822 millisecs

Simon



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/TestFlight-acquired-by-Apple-Android-Version-DRT-tp4676186p4676318.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Feb 24 01:20:21 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 22:20:21 -0800
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <FA87CC29-3BF1-4756-958F-AB970CAB4443@verizon.net>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>
	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
	<E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>
	<82158986355.20140223161823@ahsoftware.net>
	<FA87CC29-3BF1-4756-958F-AB970CAB4443@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <142180703511.20140223222021@ahsoftware.net>

Colin-

Sunday, February 23, 2014, 4:57:22 PM, you wrote:

> I tried opening several of the files, including the .CPT ones.
> They all decompress ok. If there are any in particular you want I
> can send them over.

Thanks, but no problem here. Just thought I'd check it out.
Personally, I'm just as happy that we don't have HC around any more
because otherwise we wouldn't have gotten MetaCard and LiveCode and
all the other things that wouldn't have happened. Sometimes things
just work out for the best if you just chill and wait for National
Procrastination Week to roll around.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 03:29:56 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:29:56 +0200
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfH+hxPYu4UqvqvMKvXsdVQK1AyT=WhRVee7iqt0JJ4vayw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>	<E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>	<530ADD70.7010304@gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfH+hxPYu4UqvqvMKvXsdVQK1AyT=WhRVee7iqt0JJ4vayw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530B0304.90907@gmail.com>

On 24/02/14 08:17, stephen barncard wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Maybe open it in a text editor, or, heaven forfend, Hypercard running on a
>> Mac running a 'Classic' system, or Sheepshaver doing the same.
>
> Get it to run in System 9 in Classic mode, copy the scripts, take a
> snapshot of the UI and get away.

Sounds good.
>
> sqb
>
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 04:36:37 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:36:37 +0200
Subject: Fairly offensive message
Message-ID: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>

No; Happy Campers; it's not from me!

On the Forum there's a fairly offensive message posted by somebody 
calling themselves 'amthonyblack' here:

http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19273

You'll have to scroll down a bit.

-----------------------

Reading it, initially, I felt a bit offended; but, then on further 
thought I wondered if at least
some of it might be true.

I mean the bit about hiding our lights under bushels.

----------------------

I wonder if RunRev might not be persuaded to have a webpage with links 
to all our 'clever stuff':

it might serve RunRev's interests . . .

Richmond.



From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Mon Feb 24 04:53:10 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:53:10 +0000
Subject: Fairly offensive message
In-Reply-To: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W1310DFF085FCE09A7CBD859ED860@phx.gbl>

Richmond...

This chap 'Amthony' has been a 'whinger' from his first post
http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18735&start=30
You can't please all the 'Amthony's' all of the time

> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:36:37 +0200
> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Fairly offensive message
> 
> No; Happy Campers; it's not from me!
> 
> On the Forum there's a fairly offensive message posted by somebody 
> calling themselves 'amthonyblack' here:
> 
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19273
> 
> You'll have to scroll down a bit.
> 
> -----------------------
> 
> Reading it, initially, I felt a bit offended; but, then on further 
> thought I wondered if at least
> some of it might be true.
> 
> I mean the bit about hiding our lights under bushels.
> 
> ----------------------
> 
> I wonder if RunRev might not be persuaded to have a webpage with links 
> to all our 'clever stuff':
> 
> it might serve RunRev's interests . . .
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
 		 	   		  

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 05:17:46 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:17:46 +0200
Subject: Fairly offensive message
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W1310DFF085FCE09A7CBD859ED860@phx.gbl>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W1310DFF085FCE09A7CBD859ED860@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <530B1C4A.8070803@gmail.com>

On 24/02/14 11:53, John Dixon wrote:
> Richmond...
>
> This chap 'Amthony' has been a 'whinger' from his first post
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18735&start=30

Yes, he does bang on in the same way, doesn't he?

> You can't please all the 'Amthony's' all of the time

I don't have any real great urge to please 'amthony'; even if he does 
need have a serious spelling problem . . . LOL

Mind you, come to think of things he may, indeed be called 'Amthony' as 
the standard of his English grammar is fairly awful:
Hey, anyone on the Use-List know of a country where 'Amthony' is a name?

---------------------------------------------------------------------

However, the thing that "got to me" in that posting was this:

"All that and I'd still fork over my money and be an advocate if I saw 
anything more than a utility or less than commercially polished app done 
in livecode."

There are buckets of "commercially polished app"s made with Livecode: 
obviously this chap needs a few shoved in his face.

The fact that they don't seem to be being shoved in the faces of people 
like 'Amthony' is a bit worrying.

Of course "Not only do som of these apps look like they were built by 
kids - Some WERE built by kids." (sic) is plain silly,
as I have kids over here in Bulgaria who have made apps with Livecode; 
and I think that is marvellous, not a negative point
at all. But 'Amthony' obviously suffers from the profoundly erroneous 
illusion that adults are always better than kids. He
should come over here and work with me; I get put on the spot on average 
about twice a week, by kids; God Bless Them.

Richmond.

>
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:36:37 +0200
>> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Subject: Fairly offensive message
>>
>> No; Happy Campers; it's not from me!
>>
>> On the Forum there's a fairly offensive message posted by somebody
>> calling themselves 'amthonyblack' here:
>>
>> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19273
>>
>> You'll have to scroll down a bit.
>>
>> -----------------------
>>
>> Reading it, initially, I felt a bit offended; but, then on further
>> thought I wondered if at least
>> some of it might be true.
>>
>> I mean the bit about hiding our lights under bushels.
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>> I wonder if RunRev might not be persuaded to have a webpage with links
>> to all our 'clever stuff':
>>
>> it might serve RunRev's interests . . .
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>   		 	   		
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 24 06:55:03 2014
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan Stenhouse)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:55:03 +0100
Subject: Localization on iOS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1393239601.25037.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1393239601.25037.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP761A7C31906D1F953CCF52A5860@phx.gbl>

Hi Ender

Have you tried creating folders for each of the languages that you want to support and add them to the project using the copy folder tab in standalone settings?

The folder names are of the form:

tr.lproj     (for turkish - I think!)
de.lproj   (for german)
en.lproj  (for english)

etc

HTH.

cheers

Alan
--
Alan Stenhouse
alanstenhouse at hotmail.com

Check out our apps on the App Store:

BeatSpeak - the multilingual talking metronome
EV-Point - Find your nearest Electric Vehicle Recharge Station.

On 24/02/2014, at 12:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> From: Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com>
> To: LiveCode Forums <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Localization on iOS
> Message-ID: <etPan.530a8b68.25e45d32.123 at fdbqRetina.local>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> It seems that no matter the user?s localization settings {choice of interface or keyboard language} are,
> Livecode apps? native-to-iOS controls use English.
> 
> Example:
> User?s iPhone is set to Turkish but the mobile browser instance within my Livecode app which loads a local pdf shows ?2 of 163? as page numbers.
> So was the mergPop external of Monte, the options are: Save Image, Assign to Contact, Add to Reading List, etc.
> 
> I was editing the Settings.plist files to overcome this problem:
> <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>English</string>
> to
> <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>Turkish</string>
> 
> That changes the pdf page numbers to ?2 / 163?
> and mergPop?s options to: G?r?nt?y? Kaydet, Ki?iye Ata, Okuma Listesine Ekle, ...
> 
> So far so good, because nearly all my clients? target audience are Turkish.
> But in fact, this is an awful workaround because now it?s only in Turkish no matter in what language the device is used.
> Mine is all in English, for example; yet, if I open Safari, I see an English menu but if I open one of my apps, I see Turkish entries.
> 
> And worse of all, there is no way that I can develop a multilanguage, truly localized app.
> Changing native-to-Livecode fields, buttons, etc. is easy; but how can I update the native-to-iOS entries like mobile browser?s or externals? ?
> 
> What I need is, my Livecode app reads the system language and reflects it to the native-to-iOS options/entries/menus, etc.
> 
> Is there a way to accomplish this, maybe an entry as follows:
> <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>${SYSTEM_BUNDLE_REGION}</string>
> 
> That string is totally pseudo, btw :)
> 
> 
> Thanks for any insights?
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> ~ Ender




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Feb 24 07:03:58 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:03:58 +0100
Subject: [BLOG] What is LiveCode?
Message-ID: <530B352E.8090902@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

I have written a blog post to explain what is LiveCode, with CS teachers 
in mind. If you have any comments, you can add them at the bottom of the 
article.

http://qery.us/44f


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/



From mblivecode at harbourhosting.co.uk  Mon Feb 24 07:51:58 2014
From: mblivecode at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:51:58 +0000
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <123C47F4-F867-40B2-A64A-22B944A2A305@iotecdigital.com>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>
	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
	<123C47F4-F867-40B2-A64A-22B944A2A305@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <530B406E.6090106@harbourhosting.co.uk>

On 23/02/14 23:03, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> What really made me give up on Hypercard and Supercard was the fact
> that stacks with more that 2000 cards kept corrupting themselves, and
> the xcmd?s capable of accessing dBase databases were sketchy at best.
> 
> 
> What got me BACK into using a Hypercard-like environment was Runtime
> Revolution which had support for databases. I think if Hypercard had
> done that way back then, and Jobs hadn?t killed it, we might still
> have Hypercard today.
> 
> Bob
> 

I have been using hyprecard this morning. Even after all these years I
haven't got around to migrating my invoicing stack to livecode, though I
do plan to, REAL SOON NOW ;) . Its interface was quirky, even back in
1990, and relied on xcmds a lot. Today I just make sure nobody else sees
it in case they laugh at me. Using it is... ...err, different. So I
would suggest that it is more than just the lack of db access that
hampered Hypercard. Its quirkiness was perhaps the main culprit there,
at least from a mainstream perspective because it was something you
either got it totally or you didn't get it at all and the difference may
have been the ability to see it conceptually rather than superficially.

However, way back when, Oracle did produce an xcmd connector for
hypercard and sold it in a bundle with an interface stack and an Oracle
runtime, which was great. I think that was actually my intro to SEQUEL
as it was then called. So I can attest that there is something to what
you say, in that, as an ad hoc interface to a serious db, Hypercard was
in fact potentially useful.

Martin Baxter





From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 08:01:32 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:01:32 +0800
Subject: Script local variables
In-Reply-To: <530A474F.1050708@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8B264315-0600-4856-9A5F-3D9AB960EFB3@gmail.com>	<CC71B777-75B4-4878-928B-754DE35E61CB@gmail.com>	<238A3DA4-A83C-4A01-B6A6-E15D57A2CBC2@gmail.com>	<908E157D-30FF-40F0-81E9-D7B8898D881D@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eO93vgUajZPHADafhdYbATsNGQX9NmP+CtqhdBC73+OMg@mail.gmail.com>	<5308F2EA.60005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<8B27B44B-FF01-4FE8-86C7-30BD9DD5E6EE@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A474F.1050708@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <739A9A55-4190-49C1-A951-F7EAD38DD876@gmail.com>

A quick update on the problem that I experienced with initialisation of script locals. Mark Waddingham posted the following comment on the bug report that I made:

START COMMENT
I think I know what is happening here - when the stack is being saved as a standalone, the stack is closed and reopened in the IDE. I suspect that this process is failing to run the openStack handler. Therefore, after saving the standalone, the stack in the IDE is not in the same state as the standalone is after starting up.

Indeed, if you 'revert to saved' in the IDE after saving as standalone the openStack handler is run.
END COMMENT

He has kindly corrected the title of my bug report - http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11832

Now I'm going to change the script local variables to constants which Jacque was kind enough to introduce to me in a previous comment on this thread. If only I'd known about them in the beginning, I wouldn't have stumbled across this possible bug.

Regards

Peter

On 24 Feb 2014, at 03:09, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 2/23/14, 12:17 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
>> Could it be that editing the script resets the script local
>> variables? This is true in Applescript properties. Editing and saving
>> the script resets the properties to their defaults.
> 
> Don't think so, that was one of my first tests when I tried to reproduce the problem. I'm going with "script error" as the culprit for now.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 08:14:50 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 21:14:50 +0800
Subject: Fairly offensive message
In-Reply-To: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF6214DC-5517-43AD-BB85-7C50861C3DB3@gmail.com>

Good Afternoon Richmond

On 24 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Richmond wrote:

> I wonder if RunRev might not be persuaded to have a webpage with links to all our 'clever stuff':
> 
> it might serve RunRev's interests . . .


1001 Things to Do with LiveCode has a lot of links to "clever stuff" built with LiveCode. There is always room for more!!

I think that RunRev were happy to have such a "page" be provided by the community. They may feel that it lends more credibility to  the 'clever stuff'.

1001 Things to Do with LiveCode gets on average 80 page views per day. 

Regards

Peter
http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com



From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Mon Feb 24 09:10:07 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 14:10:07 -0000
Subject: [ANN] The Scripter's Scrapbook v6
Message-ID: <010001cf316a$1f5544d0$5dffce70$@FlexibleLearning.com>

LiveCode 6 compatibility

The Scripters Scrapbook v6 for all Mac OSX standalone options has been
updated to bring it in line with the Windows options...

www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk

And yes, there is a special upgrade price of ?29 (about $47 or 35 EUR) for
existing v5 users from www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk/purchase.htm


Download a free trial, or update from within the software by clicking the
'Check for updates' button.


With best regards,

Hugh Senior
FLCo





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 24 09:49:51 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:49:51 -0600
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <530ADD70.7010304@gmail.com>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>
	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
	<E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>
	<530ADD70.7010304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9173422e-1793-4b4f-aa90-228aa2a98e24@email.android.com>

On February 23, 2014 11:49:36 PM CST, Richmond .
>
>I have a feeling opening a Hypercard file with Livecode is asking for 
>trouble.
>
>Presumably, among other things, the fact that a HC file should have
>both 
>a resource fork and a 'what-ever-the-other-fork-is-called-bit-I-cannot 
>remember' fork will not help.


LC can open HC stacks directly but it assumes the stack has been fully compacted.  Uncompacted stacks contain stray, unused bits of code that confuse the importer and result in a crash usually. If it doesn't crash, you may see other anomalies like blank cards or missing elements.  

To ensure a smooth import the stack should always be opened in an emulator or an old Mac running HC, compacted twice in a row, and immediately closed.  I've had good luck with Sheepshaver. 

LC has no problem dealing with both the data fork and the resource fork, though only some of the resource fork is imported.  XMDs and Mac-specific resources are ignored.

There's a full tutorial on my website.  
-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Feb 24 10:05:40 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:05:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fairly offensive message
In-Reply-To: <530B1C4A.8070803@gmail.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W1310DFF085FCE09A7CBD859ED860@phx.gbl>
	<530B1C4A.8070803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D0FF890426DFC1-1254-1A3BD@webmail-d247.sysops.aol.com>

Richmond.


He could be a valuable contributor, since some of his points are quite valid. It may be that the promotion of LiveCode needs a more professional effort and branding, analogous to the topic of the flame war that can be read in the forum, which was about whether LC is a product that lives up to its hype.



If you read Anthony's original post, you will find I am mixed up in it, erm, pretty heavily. I still do not understand if he is trying to galvanize the community, or is just a malcontent. I really do think both. But this sort of person could be very useful to us all. I think he really likes LC.



Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 5:18 am
Subject: Re: Fairly offensive message


On 24/02/14 11:53, John Dixon wrote:
> Richmond...
>
> This chap 'Amthony' has been a 'whinger' from his first post
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18735&start=30

Yes, he does bang on in the same way, doesn't he?

> You can't please all the 'Amthony's' all of the time

I don't have any real great urge to please 'amthony'; even if he does 
need have a serious spelling problem . . . LOL

Mind you, come to think of things he may, indeed be called 'Amthony' as 
the standard of his English grammar is fairly awful:
Hey, anyone on the Use-List know of a country where 'Amthony' is a name?

---------------------------------------------------------------------

However, the thing that "got to me" in that posting was this:

"All that and I'd still fork over my money and be an advocate if I saw 
anything more than a utility or less than commercially polished app done 
in livecode."

There are buckets of "commercially polished app"s made with Livecode: 
obviously this chap needs a few shoved in his face.

The fact that they don't seem to be being shoved in the faces of people 
like 'Amthony' is a bit worrying.

Of course "Not only do som of these apps look like they were built by 
kids - Some WERE built by kids." (sic) is plain silly,
as I have kids over here in Bulgaria who have made apps with Livecode; 
and I think that is marvellous, not a negative point
at all. But 'Amthony' obviously suffers from the profoundly erroneous 
illusion that adults are always better than kids. He
should come over here and work with me; I get put on the spot on average 
about twice a week, by kids; God Bless Them.

Richmond.

>
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:36:37 +0200
>> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Subject: Fairly offensive message
>>
>> No; Happy Campers; it's not from me!
>>
>> On the Forum there's a fairly offensive message posted by somebody
>> calling themselves 'amthonyblack' here:
>>
>> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19273
>>
>> You'll have to scroll down a bit.
>>
>> -----------------------
>>
>> Reading it, initially, I felt a bit offended; but, then on further
>> thought I wondered if at least
>> some of it might be true.
>>
>> I mean the bit about hiding our lights under bushels.
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
>> I wonder if RunRev might not be persuaded to have a webpage with links
>> to all our 'clever stuff':
>>
>> it might serve RunRev's interests . . .
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>   		 	   		
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 24 10:14:47 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 07:14:47 -0800
Subject: Fairly offensive message
In-Reply-To: <EF6214DC-5517-43AD-BB85-7C50861C3DB3@gmail.com>
References: <EF6214DC-5517-43AD-BB85-7C50861C3DB3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530B61E7.5000108@fourthworld.com>

Peter W A Wood wrote:

 > On 24 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Richmond wrote:
 >
 >> I wonder if RunRev might not be persuaded to have a webpage with
 >> links to all our 'clever stuff':
 >>
 >> it might serve RunRev's interests . . .
 >
 > 1001 Things to Do with LiveCode has a lot of links to "clever stuff"
 > built with LiveCode. There is always room for more!!
 >
 > I think that RunRev were happy to have such a "page" be provided by
 > the community. They may feel that it lends more credibility to  the
 > 'clever stuff'.

While I think it would help RunRev to have more success stories at their 
site, I think sites like yours play an equally important role.

After spending the weekend at the SoCal Linux Expo, it finally dawned on 
me what "open source" really means:  it's the difference between "them" 
and "us".

With a proprietary product, if you have suggestions you throw them over 
a wall and maybe they get implemented and maybe they don't.

But with open source, when you want something you grab the source code, 
add it, and submit a pull request.

LiveCode's only been open source less than a year, and the code 
refactoring is still very much in progress.  But even so, we're seeing a 
great many new features coming from community contributions, and we can 
expect this to accelerate as the refactoring continues.

With strong open source projects, this applies equally well to all other 
aspects of the work, extending from the code base to documentation, 
learning resources, and examples like the collection you maintain at 
"1001 Things To Do With LiveCode".

I believe this sort of community involvement is not merely helpful, but 
essential, in defining an open source project.

When a developer choose to share their source code with the world under 
an open source license, it's more than just free-as-in-gratis:  it's an 
invitation for all of us to make the project our own.

Your site and others like it embody this principle, stepping up to 
provide useful resources for the community.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Mon Feb 24 10:28:26 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:28:26 +0200
Subject: Localization on iOS
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP761A7C31906D1F953CCF52A5860@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1.1393239601.25037.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP761A7C31906D1F953CCF52A5860@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <etPan.530b651a.515f007c.155@fdbqRetina.local>

Alan hi,

That may be the solution, but I have no idea how to create a valid .lproj folder within a Livecode app.
I?ve checked other iOS apps {facebook, evernote, etc.}.
They have more than hundred of .lproj folders
and each of those folders contain two files:
Localizable.strings and InfoPlist.strings.

But both of them seem to binary-encoded such as:
6270 6c69 7374 3030 df11 0361 0001 0002

How can we replicate them, what?s the actual structure; does anyone know?

And most importantly, is this the way?

I?m not trying to localize the native-to-Livecode objects, rather native-to-iOS controls like browser or externals.
Trying to make Livecode comply the user?s System-Wide Language Choice.


Thanks,

~ Ender

From:?Alan Stenhouse Alan Stenhouse
Reply:?Alan Stenhouse alanstenhouse at hotmail.com
Date:?February 24, 2014 at 13:55:12
To:?use-livecode at lists.runrev.com use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:? Re: Localization on iOS  
Hi Ender  

Have you tried creating folders for each of the languages that you want to support and add them to the project using the copy folder tab in standalone settings?  

The folder names are of the form:  

tr.lproj (for turkish - I think!)  
de.lproj (for german)  
en.lproj (for english)  

etc  

HTH.  

cheers  

Alan  
--  
Alan Stenhouse  
alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  

Check out our apps on the App Store:  

BeatSpeak - the multilingual talking metronome  
EV-Point - Find your nearest Electric Vehicle Recharge Station.  

On 24/02/2014, at 12:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:  

> From: Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com>  
> To: LiveCode Forums <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>  
> Subject: Localization on iOS  
> Message-ID: <etPan.530a8b68.25e45d32.123 at fdbqRetina.local>  
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"  
>  
> Hi folks,  
>  
> It seems that no matter the user?s localization settings {choice of interface or keyboard language} are,  
> Livecode apps? native-to-iOS controls use English.  
>  
> Example:  
> User?s iPhone is set to Turkish but the mobile browser instance within my Livecode app which loads a local pdf shows ?2 of 163? as page numbers.  
> So was the mergPop external of Monte, the options are: Save Image, Assign to Contact, Add to Reading List, etc.  
>  
> I was editing the Settings.plist files to overcome this problem:  
> <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>English</string>  
> to  
> <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>Turkish</string>  
>  
> That changes the pdf page numbers to ?2 / 163?  
> and mergPop?s options to: G?r?nt?y? Kaydet, Ki?iye Ata, Okuma Listesine Ekle, ...  
>  
> So far so good, because nearly all my clients? target audience are Turkish.  
> But in fact, this is an awful workaround because now it?s only in Turkish no matter in what language the device is used.  
> Mine is all in English, for example; yet, if I open Safari, I see an English menu but if I open one of my apps, I see Turkish entries.  
>  
> And worse of all, there is no way that I can develop a multilanguage, truly localized app.  
> Changing native-to-Livecode fields, buttons, etc. is easy; but how can I update the native-to-iOS entries like mobile browser?s or externals? ?  
>  
> What I need is, my Livecode app reads the system language and reflects it to the native-to-iOS options/entries/menus, etc.  
>  
> Is there a way to accomplish this, maybe an entry as follows:  
> <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>${SYSTEM_BUNDLE_REGION}</string>  
>  
> That string is totally pseudo, btw :)  
>  
>  
> Thanks for any insights?  
>  
>  
> Best,  
>  
> ~ Ender  



From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 10:35:06 2014
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:35:06 +0100
Subject: Localization on iOS
In-Reply-To: <etPan.530b651a.515f007c.155@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <mailman.1.1393239601.25037.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP761A7C31906D1F953CCF52A5860@phx.gbl>
	<etPan.530b651a.515f007c.155@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn5b18m9gj-A0wqRLwZFZeAPZChN1Mb76UnTcV7bOCXbHw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ender,

Just put a folder in there with no files in it.
This made the MergExt externals show up in my native language (Dutch).
On uploading last time (since 01-02-2014) it gave a notice on my
Dutch.lptoj folder that it is not the way to go (never seen that before on
iOS6).
It still works however.


greetings,

William


2014-02-24 16:28 GMT+01:00 Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com>:

> Alan hi,
>
> That may be the solution, but I have no idea how to create a valid .lproj
> folder within a Livecode app.
> I've checked other iOS apps {facebook, evernote, etc.}.
> They have more than hundred of .lproj folders
> and each of those folders contain two files:
> Localizable.strings and InfoPlist.strings.
>
> But both of them seem to binary-encoded such as:
> 6270 6c69 7374 3030 df11 0361 0001 0002
>
> How can we replicate them, what's the actual structure; does anyone know?
>
> And most importantly, is this the way?
>
> I'm not trying to localize the native-to-Livecode objects, rather
> native-to-iOS controls like browser or externals.
> Trying to make Livecode comply the user's System-Wide Language Choice.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~ Ender
>
> From: Alan Stenhouse Alan Stenhouse
> Reply: Alan Stenhouse alanstenhouse at hotmail.com
> Date: February 24, 2014 at 13:55:12
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject:  Re: Localization on iOS
> Hi Ender
>
> Have you tried creating folders for each of the languages that you want to
> support and add them to the project using the copy folder tab in standalone
> settings?
>
> The folder names are of the form:
>
> tr.lproj (for turkish - I think!)
> de.lproj (for german)
> en.lproj (for english)
>
> etc
>
> HTH.
>
> cheers
>
> Alan
> --
> Alan Stenhouse
> alanstenhouse at hotmail.com
>
> Check out our apps on the App Store:
>
> BeatSpeak - the multilingual talking metronome
> EV-Point - Find your nearest Electric Vehicle Recharge Station.
>
> On 24/02/2014, at 12:00 PM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
> > From: Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com>
> > To: LiveCode Forums <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Subject: Localization on iOS
> > Message-ID: <etPan.530a8b68.25e45d32.123 at fdbqRetina.local>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > It seems that no matter the user?s localization settings {choice of
> interface or keyboard language} are,
> > Livecode apps? native-to-iOS controls use English.
> >
> > Example:
> > User?s iPhone is set to Turkish but the mobile browser instance within
> my Livecode app which loads a local pdf shows ?2 of 163? as page numbers.
> > So was the mergPop external of Monte, the options are: Save Image,
> Assign to Contact, Add to Reading List, etc.
> >
> > I was editing the Settings.plist files to overcome this problem:
> > <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>English</string>
> > to
> > <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key> <string>Turkish</string>
> >
> > That changes the pdf page numbers to ?2 / 163?
> > and mergPop?s options to: G?r?nt?y? Kaydet, Ki?iye Ata, Okuma Listesine
> Ekle, ...
> >
> > So far so good, because nearly all my clients? target audience are
> Turkish.
> > But in fact, this is an awful workaround because now it?s only in
> Turkish no matter in what language the device is used.
> > Mine is all in English, for example; yet, if I open Safari, I see an
> English menu but if I open one of my apps, I see Turkish entries.
> >
> > And worse of all, there is no way that I can develop a multilanguage,
> truly localized app.
> > Changing native-to-Livecode fields, buttons, etc. is easy; but how can I
> update the native-to-iOS entries like mobile browser?s or externals? ?
> >
> > What I need is, my Livecode app reads the system language and reflects
> it to the native-to-iOS options/entries/menus, etc.
> >
> > Is there a way to accomplish this, maybe an entry as follows:
> > <key>CFBundleDevelopmentRegion</key>
> <string>${SYSTEM_BUNDLE_REGION}</string>
> >
> > That string is totally pseudo, btw :)
> >
> >
> > Thanks for any insights?
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > ~ Ender
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 24 10:37:09 2014
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan Stenhouse)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 16:37:09 +0100
Subject: Localization on iOS
In-Reply-To: <etPan.530b651a.515f007c.155@fdbqRetina.local>
References: <mailman.1.1393239601.25037.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP761A7C31906D1F953CCF52A5860@phx.gbl>
	<etPan.530b651a.515f007c.155@fdbqRetina.local>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP46902683276FB10E0210474A5860@phx.gbl>

Hi Ender,

Exactly this does it.

Just create an empty folder called, I think for Turkish, tr.lproj

Now use the copy file pane in the Standalone settings inside Livecode to copy that to your project.

If you have your phone in Turkish then the iOS dialogs etc should now appear in Turkish.

If you support multiple languages then just add more folders, using the right international codes for the language name.

Give it a try - it works for me.

You don't have to worry about pList settings or anything else IIRC.

Let me know any other questions?

HTH

cheers

Alan

On 24/02/2014, at 4:28 PM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu <endernafi at keehuna.com> wrote:

> Alan hi,
> 
> That may be the solution, but I have no idea how to create a valid .lproj folder within a Livecode app.
> I?ve checked other iOS apps {facebook, evernote, etc.}.
> They have more than hundred of .lproj folders
> and each of those folders contain two files:
> Localizable.strings and InfoPlist.strings.
> 
> But both of them seem to binary-encoded such as:
> 6270 6c69 7374 3030 df11 0361 0001 0002
> 
> How can we replicate them, what?s the actual structure; does anyone know?
> 
> And most importantly, is this the way?
> 
> I?m not trying to localize the native-to-Livecode objects, rather native-to-iOS controls like browser or externals.
> Trying to make Livecode comply the user?s System-Wide Language Choice.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> ~ Ender




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 24 11:10:14 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:10:14 -0800
Subject: Fairly offensive message
In-Reply-To: <8D0FF890426DFC1-1254-1A3BD@webmail-d247.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D0FF890426DFC1-1254-1A3BD@webmail-d247.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <530B6EE6.6040006@fourthworld.com>

dunbarx wrote:

 > He could be a valuable contributor, since some of his points are
 > quite valid.

I think that's a fair assessment.  He's obviously very bright and 
energetic, and while he seems somewhat unfamiliar with the role of 
common moderation in a forum I think the current thread he's 
participating in can be quite productive.

And at the moment the only person he's insulting is me, and I don't 
mind.  His other points were on-topic and worthwhile.

To keep the current thread there productive I would encourage you folks 
to stay on-topic with the theme laid out by the OP, MaxV, "What do you 
suggest to promote Livecode?"
<http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19273>

So far the conversation has stayed on-topic, and I hope it remains so, 
as it's a valuable thread for all of us who have an interest in seeing 
LiveCode adoption accelerate.

If you find anything there off-topic or needlessly contentious, please 
don't take it further off-topic by replying there, but instead follow 
the recommendations in the Forum Guidelines Heather posted for flagging 
posts you feel are inappropriate:
<http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=18885>

The LiveCode forums are a valuable learning resource for the community, 
and with your help we can maintain their role as a productive and 
friendly environment for everyone to enjoy.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From ray at linkit.com  Mon Feb 24 11:40:40 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:40:40 -0500
Subject: App and Doc Icons for Windows and Mac
In-Reply-To: <530B6EE6.6040006@fourthworld.com>
References: <8D0FF890426DFC1-1254-1A3BD@webmail-d247.sysops.aol.com>
	<530B6EE6.6040006@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <530B7608.6010707@LinkIt.Com>

Could somebody please show me where I can get all the specs I'll need to 
help our artist create ICON files for Mac and Windows stand alones?  
We'll need to create icon files for both the Application and its documents.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt1 Software



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 24 11:51:33 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 10:51:33 -0600
Subject: offset broken?
In-Reply-To: <1393222906836-4676318.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CADCoycP3s73Q8qV042gcJRZF0+Mwyn3mTKO=OFJcs9h6inadnw@mail.gmail.com>	<65ACDAE3-EB47-4C70-A19F-325428FC44E6@earthednet.org>	<CAGDT7eMfD+g31B1xyBNFPS7ce7-SYs1ovwX9u8tKAn4YYux+sQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5308FBFD.8090809@gmail.com>
	<53091B70.5080800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<1393222906836-4676318.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <530B7895.8020201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/24/14, 12:21 AM, As_Simon wrote:

> Sweet!
> In The Complete Works of William Shakespeare
> There are 328987 occurrences of the letter "t"
> It took 822 millisecs

I knew it would be fast, but even I am pretty impressed by that. Thanks 
for checking.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Feb 24 12:10:51 2014
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 09:10:51 -0800
Subject: Last Chance to get Studio Pro & Valentina Reports for LiveCode at 50%
	Off
Message-ID: <485A93866AAA40538AD5863A21753D2D@GATEWAY>

Hello all,

This offer ends today. We've had some spectacular results esp with Valentina
Studio Pro, since it now supports all major databases, and adds several very
useful tools like SQL DIFF, and Reports Builder, and availability on all
three operating systems. Ive even gotten it working under SteamOS' version
of Debian.

http://www.valentina-db.com

Valentina DB ADK and Valentina Reports ADK are also available at the 50%
discount. Both DB ADK and Reports ADK are scalable up from local
implementations to Valentina Server.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Mon Feb 24 12:33:37 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 18:33:37 +0100
Subject: Last Chance to get Studio Pro & Valentina Reports for LiveCode at
	50% Off
In-Reply-To: <485A93866AAA40538AD5863A21753D2D@GATEWAY>
References: <485A93866AAA40538AD5863A21753D2D@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <C27F6E3D-8163-46CA-87F6-E6F7167C6759@m-r-d.de>

Hi Lynn,

i see a 50% discount listed on your store for Studio and for Reports, but not for DB ADK.

Regards,

Matthias


Am 24.02.2014 um 18:10 schrieb Lynn Fredricks <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com>:

> Hello all,
> 
> This offer ends today. We've had some spectacular results esp with Valentina
> Studio Pro, since it now supports all major databases, and adds several very
> useful tools like SQL DIFF, and Reports Builder, and availability on all
> three operating systems. Ive even gotten it working under SteamOS' version
> of Debian.
> 
> http://www.valentina-db.com
> 
> Valentina DB ADK and Valentina Reports ADK are also available at the 50%
> discount. Both DB ADK and Reports ADK are scalable up from local
> implementations to Valentina Server.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



Matthias Rebbe
Bramkampsieke 13
32312 L?bbecke
Tel	+49 5741 310000
    	+49 160 5504462
Fax: +49 5741 310002
eMail: matthias at m-r-d.de

BR5 Konverter - BR5 -> MP3




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 24 13:04:02 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 12:04:02 -0600
Subject: App and Doc Icons for Windows and Mac
In-Reply-To: <530B7608.6010707@LinkIt.Com>
References: <8D0FF890426DFC1-1254-1A3BD@webmail-d247.sysops.aol.com>	<530B6EE6.6040006@fourthworld.com>
	<530B7608.6010707@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <530B8992.3050508@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/24/14, 10:40 AM, Ray wrote:
> Could somebody please show me where I can get all the specs I'll need to
> help our artist create ICON files for Mac and Windows stand alones?
> We'll need to create icon files for both the Application and its documents.

Google "windows mac icon sizes" and you'll get a bunch of hits. The top 
one looks good:

<http://www.visualpharm.com/articles/icon_sizes.html>

Both Windows and Mac will scale an icon if the icon file doesn't contain 
one of the sizes, so technically you don't need them all. They just look 
better if you tweak them for each size.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ray at linkit.com  Mon Feb 24 13:16:58 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 13:16:58 -0500
Subject: App and Doc Icons for Windows and Mac
In-Reply-To: <530B8992.3050508@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8D0FF890426DFC1-1254-1A3BD@webmail-d247.sysops.aol.com>	<530B6EE6.6040006@fourthworld.com>	<530B7608.6010707@LinkIt.Com>
	<530B8992.3050508@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <530B8C9A.7040807@LinkIt.Com>

Hey Jackie, thanks.

On 2/24/2014 1:04 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/24/14, 10:40 AM, Ray wrote:
>> Could somebody please show me where I can get all the specs I'll need to
>> help our artist create ICON files for Mac and Windows stand alones?
>> We'll need to create icon files for both the Application and its 
>> documents.
>
> Google "windows mac icon sizes" and you'll get a bunch of hits. The 
> top one looks good:
>
> <http://www.visualpharm.com/articles/icon_sizes.html>
>
> Both Windows and Mac will scale an icon if the icon file doesn't 
> contain one of the sizes, so technically you don't need them all. They 
> just look better if you tweak them for each size.
>




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 13:36:29 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:36:29 +0200
Subject: Fairly offensive message
In-Reply-To: <EF6214DC-5517-43AD-BB85-7C50861C3DB3@gmail.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
	<EF6214DC-5517-43AD-BB85-7C50861C3DB3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530B912D.5070003@gmail.com>

On 24/02/14 15:14, Peter W A Wood wrote:
> Good Afternoon Richmond
>
> On 24 Feb 2014, at 17:36, Richmond wrote:
>
>> I wonder if RunRev might not be persuaded to have a webpage with links to all our 'clever stuff':
>>
>> it might serve RunRev's interests . . .
>
> 1001 Things to Do with LiveCode has a lot of links to "clever stuff" built with LiveCode. There is always room for more!!
>
> I think that RunRev were happy to have such a "page" be provided by the community. They may feel that it lends more credibility to  the 'clever stuff'.
>
> 1001 Things to Do with LiveCode gets on average 80 page views per day.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com
>
> _______________________________________________
>

Good Evening Peter

If you could contact me off-list and explain how to work my 'Devawriter 
Pro' and 'PISMO' into that
I would be most grateful.

Richmond.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb 24 20:03:38 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 01:03:38 +0000
Subject: Fairly offensive message
In-Reply-To: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E80DB3C-FF55-4C71-B876-230AAB670963@iotecdigital.com>

I wouldn?t go looking under any bushels for lights! You might find cheese instead?

Bob


On Feb 24, 2014, at 01:36 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>> wrote:

Reading it, initially, I felt a bit offended; but, then on further thought I wondered if at least
some of it might be true.

I mean the bit about hiding our lights under bushels.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb 24 20:17:30 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 01:17:30 +0000
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
	<618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>

yeah? troll. 

He might try looking at Wowmatrix, which was written ENTIRELY in Livecode. It goes out to various WOW add-on sites, checks for the latest versions, compares it with the users current version, allows the user to selectively or globally update their add-ons, has a live update feature built in, looks great etc. 

I?m sure there are LOTS of apps built with Livecode out there, both in the commercial world, and in use as custom apps. I was halfway done with a VERY complex app that could be used to manage hotels, only I got let go by my prior employer who I was writing it for, so I?m not enthusiastic about finishing it. I recently created and am using my Forms Generator app, which fills out PDF forms I use everyday with data from a Sequel database. It?s a HUGE tool for me, and I am adding on to it regularly new features that make it even more useful. I have a button I click that opens a Google Map using their API so that it shows up on my iPhone when I need to navigate to the site! I am finishing up a feature which will take the Excel forms I am getting from the dispatcher and parsing the data in them to populate the database with. All I have to do is drop the spreadsheets into a designated folder and click a button, and next thing I know all the customer, site, copier and accessory data has populated my Sequel database. 

Everyone here at where I work LOVE the fact that I am producing professional looking forms, and want me to convert ALL the forms we use everyday to editable forms. What this narrow minded short sighted individual cannot seem to grasp is the power it gives a single developer like me to quickly create really useful applications which would take a team of C developers MONTHS and even YEARS to produce, and then expand on them to suit my needs spending a few hours in the evenings while sucking down a beer or three. . 

So he loves to code in Java or C? More power to him. Let me see a list of ALL the apps HE has created in the last 5 years that I can find on the internet, and I will gladly concede his points! Hah! Fat chance. 

Bob


On Feb 24, 2014, at 01:53 , John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> Richmond...
> 
> This chap 'Amthony' has been a 'whinger' from his first post
> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=18735&start=30
> You can't please all the 'Amthony's' all of the time
> 
>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:36:37 +0200
>> From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Subject: Fairly offensive message
>> 
>> No; Happy Campers; it's not from me!
>> 
>> On the Forum there's a fairly offensive message posted by somebody 
>> calling themselves 'amthonyblack' here:
>> 
>> http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19273
>> 
>> You'll have to scroll down a bit.
>> 
>> -----------------------
>> 
>> Reading it, initially, I felt a bit offended; but, then on further 
>> thought I wondered if at least
>> some of it might be true.
>> 
>> I mean the bit about hiding our lights under bushels.
>> 
>> ----------------------
>> 
>> I wonder if RunRev might not be persuaded to have a webpage with links 
>> to all our 'clever stuff':
>> 
>> it might serve RunRev's interests . . .
>> 
>> Richmond.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 		 	   		  
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb 24 20:32:52 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 01:32:52 +0000
Subject: App and Doc Icons for Windows and Mac
In-Reply-To: <530B8992.3050508@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8D0FF890426DFC1-1254-1A3BD@webmail-d247.sysops.aol.com>
	<530B6EE6.6040006@fourthworld.com> <530B7608.6010707@LinkIt.Com>
	<530B8992.3050508@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6FD376B7-4036-4ED4-A1AC-6675B706CDD1@iotecdigital.com>

All my unparalleled skill and expertise as an IT Jedi Master can be attributed to Google. Thanks Google! ?You?re welcome Jedi Bob!?

Bob


On Feb 24, 2014, at 10:04 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 2/24/14, 10:40 AM, Ray wrote:
>> Could somebody please show me where I can get all the specs I'll need to
>> help our artist create ICON files for Mac and Windows stand alones?
>> We'll need to create icon files for both the Application and its documents.
> 
> Google "windows mac icon sizes" and you'll get a bunch of hits. The top one looks good:
> 
> <http://www.visualpharm.com/articles/icon_sizes.html>
> 
> Both Windows and Mac will scale an icon if the icon file doesn't contain one of the sizes, so technically you don't need them all. They just look better if you tweak them for each size.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb 24 20:39:57 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 01:39:57 +0000
Subject: [OT] Michigan Repository
In-Reply-To: <9173422e-1793-4b4f-aa90-228aa2a98e24@email.android.com>
References: <530A3665.6070902@gmail.com>
	<E259D4F0-99A2-4433-872E-973134591D97@iotecdigital.com>
	<530A46DC.9020606@gmail.com>
	<186143412072.20140223115849@ahsoftware.net>
	<530A64B8.6080206@gmail.com>
	<E2BD4759-B96A-46C2-9047-2A6D14DEB204@verizon.net>
	<530ADD70.7010304@gmail.com>
	<9173422e-1793-4b4f-aa90-228aa2a98e24@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <E7B4F48B-CA6A-477B-A109-32120566D323@iotecdigital.com>

If only someone would get their networking up to snuff I might go back to using it for things like, oh I dunno? Crystal QUEST! YAAAAAA! Even my dog years old copy of Myst!

Bob


On Feb 24, 2014, at 06:49 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>> wrote:

To ensure a smooth import the stack should always be opened in an emulator or an old Mac running HC, compacted twice in a row, and immediately closed.  I've had good luck with Sheepshaver.



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Feb 24 20:47:03 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 01:47:03 +0000
Subject: [BLOG] What is LiveCode?
In-Reply-To: <530B352E.8090902@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <530B352E.8090902@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <162D302B-B0A5-45DE-B8DD-F4D196C45F0D@iotecdigital.com>

Nice Mark! I still like my construction metaphor though. ;-)

Bob


On Feb 24, 2014, at 04:03 , Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have written a blog post to explain what is LiveCode, with CS teachers in mind. If you have any comments, you can add them at the bottom of the article.
> 
> http://qery.us/44f
> 
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
> 
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
> 
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From prothero at earthednet.org  Mon Feb 24 23:23:02 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:23:02 -0800
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
	<618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com>
	<0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <204ADD8E-4D58-4916-915A-9E98DFBF6A1C@earthednet.org>

Folks,
I've been following this discussion with interest and, as a newby to livecode, but with a history going back to HyperCard and Supercard, you might be interested in my perspective. I've programmed in Fortran, Pascal, C, Corona, Php, Adobe Director (extensively) and Basic, so I've been exposed to a variety of languages and authoring platforms. I chose to the Livecode platform because most of my work is in 2D, and it supported Mac, Win, and mobile platforms. Since I started, I've been very happy with the extensive user community, modernization of the engine with the Kickstarter campaign, and the tutorials. It also does a lot that required xtras and complex workarounds in Director. Not to mention that text sucks in Director, notwithstanding Adobe's neglect and lame upgrading.

When I finally realized I needed to abandon Director, I looked at Livecode, but couldn't immediately bring myself to go back to the "put xxx into yyyy" syntax after working with lingo, which was more object oriented and similar to other languages. I looked seriously at Xojo, for that reason, but it wouldn't run on as many platforms as LC. 

I thought the comments by Anthony reflected someone who was trying to make a quick appraisal, and were based on what he could easily find. It seems Livecode guys could improve their web site to hilight outstanding examples of sophisticated apps created with livecode. At first look, the syntax seems unconventional and I think someone could be forgiven for jumping to the conclusion that LC is oriented toward schools and non programmer types, but not toward serious developers. We all know that is not true, but it may be an outsider's perception.

Best wishes and thanks for supporting a very nice product.
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 24 23:52:55 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 22:52:55 -0600
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <204ADD8E-4D58-4916-915A-9E98DFBF6A1C@earthednet.org>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>	<618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com>	<0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
	<204ADD8E-4D58-4916-915A-9E98DFBF6A1C@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <530C21A7.6070606@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/24/14, 10:23 PM, Earthednet-wp wrote:

> I thought the comments by Anthony reflected someone who was trying to
> make a quick appraisal, and were based on what he could easily find.
> It seems Livecode guys could improve their web site to hilight
> outstanding examples of sophisticated apps created with livecode. At
> first look, the syntax seems unconventional and I think someone could
> be forgiven for jumping to the conclusion that LC is oriented toward
> schools and non programmer types, but not toward serious developers.
> We all know that is not true, but it may be an outsider's
> perception.

I snipped the top part of your post, but I agree with all of it and I 
think you've presented a well-reasoned argument. The forum commenter is 
brusque and critical, but I do believe he really wants answers. Another 
thing that may influence new people is that last year there was a good 
uptake into the educational market, so there was quite a lot of focus 
there that might make people believe LiveCode is for kids or hobbyists.

I hope those with more commerically-oriented apps or in-house solutions 
will post on the forum in that thread, maybe talk a little about their 
work and why they chose LiveCode to do it. That's the first place new 
people will go to, and most of them will be making the same types of 
decisions about whether LiveCode can meet their needs. Hearing about 
solid, working examples can go a long way.

I actually agree with the poster that we can sound like defensive 
fanboys sometimes. If that's the perception, we lose credibility and 
anything we say can be easily denied. We can be proud of our 
accomplishments, but objective in why we chose the tool. There really 
are good reasons for it.

I'm glad you joined us, Bill.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 02:52:45 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:52:45 +0200
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>	<618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com>
	<0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <530C4BCD.5010900@gmail.com>

On 25/02/14 03:17, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> yeah? troll.
>
> He might try looking at Wowmatrix, which was written ENTIRELY in Livecode. It goes out to various WOW add-on sites, checks for the latest versions, compares it with the users current version, allows the user to selectively or globally update their add-ons, has a live update feature built in, looks great etc.
>
> I?m sure there are LOTS of apps built with Livecode out there, both in the commercial world, and in use as custom apps. I was halfway done with a VERY complex app that could be used to manage hotels, only I got let go by my prior employer who I was writing it for, so I?m not enthusiastic about finishing it. I recently created and am using my Forms Generator app, which fills out PDF forms I use everyday with data from a Sequel database. It?s a HUGE tool for me, and I am adding on to it regularly new features that make it even more useful. I have a button I click that opens a Google Map using their API so that it shows up on my iPhone when I need to navigate to the site! I am finishing up a feature which will take the Excel forms I am getting from the dispatcher and parsing the data in them to populate the database with. All I have to do is drop the spreadsheets into a designated folder and click a button, and next thing I know all the customer, site, copier and accessory data has populated my Sequel database.
>
> Everyone here at where I work LOVE the fact that I am producing professional looking forms, and want me to convert ALL the forms we use everyday to editable forms. What this narrow minded short sighted individual cannot seem to grasp is the power it gives a single developer like me to quickly create really useful applications which would take a team of C developers MONTHS and even YEARS to produce, and then expand on them to suit my needs spending a few hours in the evenings while sucking down a beer or three. .
>
> So he loves to code in Java or C? More power to him. Let me see a list of ALL the apps HE has created in the last 5 years that I can find on the internet, and I will gladly concede his points! Hah! Fat chance.
>
> Bob
>
>
>

Of course if you really wan to rub his face in the above you should post 
it on the thread in the Forums.

He certainly was a bit "tetchy" re my last post there :/

Richmond.




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Feb 25 03:38:22 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:38:22 +0100
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
	<618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com>
	<0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <16FADECC-FB9A-4258-A81A-1841A0BD4A04@m-r-d.de>

Bob,


Am 25.02.2014 um 02:17 schrieb Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>:

> I recently created and am using my Forms Generator app, which fills out PDF forms I use everyday with data from a Sequel database. It?s a HUGE tool for me, and I am adding on to it regularly new features that make it even more useful. I have a button I click that opens a Google Map using their API so that it shows up on my iPhone when I need to navigate to the site! I am finishing up a feature which will take the Excel forms I am getting from the dispatcher and parsing the data in them to populate the database with. All I have to do is drop the spreadsheets into a designated folder and click a button, and next thing I know all the customer, site, copier and accessory data has populated my Sequel database. 
> 
would you mind to show some pictures of your forms generator and give some information how you create and fill such forms?


Regards,

Matthias



Matthias Rebbe
Bramkampsieke 13
32312 L?bbecke
Tel	+49 5741 310000
    	+49 160 5504462
Fax: +49 5741 310002
eMail: matthias at m-r-d.de

BR5 Konverter - BR5 -> MP3




From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Feb 25 10:07:38 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:07:38 -0800
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <16FADECC-FB9A-4258-A81A-1841A0BD4A04@m-r-d.de>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
	<618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com>
	<0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
	<16FADECC-FB9A-4258-A81A-1841A0BD4A04@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <F2D49A26-51FB-415F-8D81-FFF7E2BB8625@earthednet.org>

Bob,
Sounds like your forms generator could be very useful to me, too. Any plans to share, make public, or .....?
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> 
>> Am 25.02.2014 um 02:17 schrieb Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>:
>> 
>> I recently created and am using my Forms Generator app, which fills out PDF forms I use everyday with data from a Sequel database. It?s a HUGE tool for me, and I am adding on to it regularly new features that make it even more useful. I have a button I click that opens a Google Map using their API so that it shows up on my iPhone when I need to navigate to the site! I am finishing up a feature which will take the Excel forms I am getting from the dispatcher and parsing the data in them to populate the database with. All I have to do is drop the spreadsheets into a designated folder and click a button, and next thing I know all the customer, site, copier and accessory data has populated my Sequel database.
> would you mind to show some pictures of your forms generator and give some information how you create and fill such forms?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> Bramkampsieke 13
> 32312 L?bbecke
> Tel    +49 5741 310000
>        +49 160 5504462
> Fax: +49 5741 310002
> eMail: matthias at m-r-d.de
> 
> BR5 Konverter - BR5 -> MP3
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 10:40:11 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:40:11 -0500
Subject: App and Doc Icons for Windows and Mac
In-Reply-To: <6FD376B7-4036-4ED4-A1AC-6675B706CDD1@iotecdigital.com>
References: <8D0FF890426DFC1-1254-1A3BD@webmail-d247.sysops.aol.com>
	<530B6EE6.6040006@fourthworld.com> <530B7608.6010707@LinkIt.Com>
	<530B8992.3050508@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6FD376B7-4036-4ED4-A1AC-6675B706CDD1@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <6A76EF0A-6B80-49D1-ADC3-887D2E1EC285@gmail.com>

On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:32 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> All my unparalleled skill and expertise as an IT Jedi Master can be attributed to Google. Thanks Google! ?You?re welcome Jedi Bob!?

GOOGLE, n. Acronym: God's Own Official Guide to Locating Everything.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 10:45:50 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:45:50 -0500
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <530C21A7.6070606@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>	<618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com>	<0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
	<204ADD8E-4D58-4916-915A-9E98DFBF6A1C@earthednet.org>
	<530C21A7.6070606@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6893526B-E5A3-4FCB-BD42-6F87007AAAB0@gmail.com>

When someone says to me that LC is just for amateurs and hobbyists and can't really do any heavy lifting, the first thing I point them to is this:

http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/USGS-Landsat7-ForestryApp-livecode-case-study.pdf

-- The NASA Landsat 7 satellite imaging scheduling and database management is run entirely using LC. IMO, this should be very prominently displayed on the LC website.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig



On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:52 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 2/24/14, 10:23 PM, Earthednet-wp wrote:
> 
>> I thought the comments by Anthony reflected someone who was trying to
>> make a quick appraisal, and were based on what he could easily find.
>> It seems Livecode guys could improve their web site to hilight
>> outstanding examples of sophisticated apps created with livecode. At
>> first look, the syntax seems unconventional and I think someone could
>> be forgiven for jumping to the conclusion that LC is oriented toward
>> schools and non programmer types, but not toward serious developers.
>> We all know that is not true, but it may be an outsider's
>> perception.
> 
> I snipped the top part of your post, but I agree with all of it and I think you've presented a well-reasoned argument. The forum commenter is brusque and critical, but I do believe he really wants answers. Another thing that may influence new people is that last year there was a good uptake into the educational market, so there was quite a lot of focus there that might make people believe LiveCode is for kids or hobbyists.
> 
> I hope those with more commerically-oriented apps or in-house solutions will post on the forum in that thread, maybe talk a little about their work and why they chose LiveCode to do it. That's the first place new people will go to, and most of them will be making the same types of decisions about whether LiveCode can meet their needs. Hearing about solid, working examples can go a long way.
> 
> I actually agree with the poster that we can sound like defensive fanboys sometimes. If that's the perception, we lose credibility and anything we say can be easily denied. We can be proud of our accomplishments, but objective in why we chose the tool. There really are good reasons for it.
> 
> I'm glad you joined us, Bill.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 10:55:37 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 07:55:37 -0800
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <6893526B-E5A3-4FCB-BD42-6F87007AAAB0@gmail.com>
References: <6893526B-E5A3-4FCB-BD42-6F87007AAAB0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CBCF9.1020609@fourthworld.com>

Peter M. Brigham wrote:

> When someone says to me that LC is just for amateurs and hobbyists and can't really do any heavy lifting, the first thing I point them to is this:
>
> http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/USGS-Landsat7-ForestryApp-livecode-case-study.pdf
>
> -- The NASA Landsat 7 satellite imaging scheduling and database management is run entirely using LC. IMO, this should be very prominently displayed on the LC website.

Thanks, Peter.  That is indeed a good one, but as one of only three 
cases shown in the front page there remains a good opportunity to add 
more. I've discussed this with Ben, and we have a plan in place to 
address that very soon.

What path did you follow at the site to find that PDF? I was hoping to 
find background info on the KLM case there, but I didn't see links to 
any other info for that or the NASA case.


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From ben at runrev.com  Tue Feb 25 11:18:38 2014
From: ben at runrev.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:18:38 +0000
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
Message-ID: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members,

As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for
the last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode
Github repository, you'll notice that:

- LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable engine.
- LiveCode 6.7 (Cocoa) is nearing a workable engine.

As we approach a DP we have a decision to make in regards to our continuing
support for older platforms, in particular, Mac OSX 10.5. LiveCode 6.7
requires considerable additional development resource to enable us to
continue supporting Mac OSX 10.5. The cocoa port is all but complete for
MacOS 10.6 and above. Our current plan is to put out a DP of LiveCode 6.7
as soon on the final elements are running and then return to round out Mac
OSX 10.5 support in subsequent DPs. LiveCode 7.0 has also required us to
spend considerable amounts of time ensuring compatibility with 10.5 and has
complicated our build process. As the 7.0 project matures, we'll have to
continue investing development resource to ensure that Mac OSX 10.5 is
fully support, above and beyond the resources used to support 10.6 and
above.

So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5. It would mean that
LiveCode 6.6 would be the final Mac OSX 10.5 compatible version. We're keen
to get the right balance between investing our development resources in
progress and platform support.

Are there compelling reasons to support MacOS X 10.5 in LiveCode 6.7 and
above? If so, we'd love to hear them.

Also, if we don't drop support at this point, when would it be appropriate
for us to do so?

Below is our list of concerns and also reasons we feel it benefits our team
and the community to drop support at this time.

Concerns
MacOS 10.5 is the final version to support PowerPC. As a result, owners of
PowerPC based Macs would not be able to use LiveCode 6.7 or above. However,
only 3.8% of Mac desktop computers are running MacOS X 10.5 according to
netmarketshare.com:

http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=0

Users of LiveCode would be able to continue supporting their PowerPC
customers by building with LiveCode 6.6, but as a result would have to
start shipping two mac installers.

Pros
Dropping support has the following advantages for the LiveCode team and the
community:

   1. We spend less time back porting the 10.6 cocoa implementation to
   support 10.5 (10.5's Cocoa APIs are less mature than 10.6's and it isn't
   possible to completely eliminate Carbon usage for a 10.5 port). We estimate
   it will take 3-4 weeks to get the core engine working on 10.5. This saving
   also applies to all future projects.
   2. We spend less time getting new developments to build and run under
   10.5. For example, the new libraries to support unicode took a considerable
   investment of engineering resource to compile for 10.5.
   3. We can use newer compilers on Mac that have improved optimisation
   features, the result being a faster LiveCode engine.
   4. Implementing desktop features for Mac becomes simpler (and as a
   result quicker) with the API's being relatively consistent from 10.6-10.9.
   This enables us to deliver features faster. The remainder of the stretch
   goals for the kickstarter project are 'feature' implementations. Supporting
   10.5 requires us to implement the features for more than one API, in many
   cases doubling the amount of work we have to do.
   5. Building and feature additions become easier for open-source
   contributors.

Thanks for reading up to this point. We appreciate your feedback as it will
help us in our decision making process.

Warm regards,

Ben

_____________________________________________

Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd

LiveCode Product Manager
mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
email : ben at runrev.com
company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23
fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487
web : www.runrev.com

LiveCode - Programming made simple


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 11:19:51 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:19:51 -0800
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
References: <0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <530CC2A7.90407@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:

 > yeah? troll.
 >
 > He might try looking at Wowmatrix, which was written ENTIRELY in
 > Livecode. It goes out to various WOW add-on sites, checks for the
 > latest versions, compares it with the users current version, allows
 > the user to selectively or globally update their add-ons, has a live
 > update feature built in, looks great etc.
 >
 > I?m sure there are LOTS of apps built with Livecode out there, both
 > in the commercial world, and in use as custom apps.

Wowmatrix is a nice app - thanks.

Many links have been provided there for that poster to other great apps, 
including Trevor's and Scott Rossi's, but so far none of it has 
satisfied him.

No worries.  The rest of MaxV's thread there has been very productive, 
with some good feedback from the community.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 11:33:44 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:33:44 -0800
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CC5E8.4070901@fourthworld.com>

On 2/25/14 8:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
...
 > As we approach a DP we have a decision to make in regards to our
 > continuing support for older platforms, in particular, Mac OSX 10.5.
...
 > However, only 3.8% of Mac desktop computers are running MacOS X 10.5
 > according to netmarketshare.com <http://netmarketshare.com>:
 >
 > 
<http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=0>

With a global market share of ~10% for OS X as a whole, and only 3.8% of 
those using 10.5, that means only 0.38% of the desktop audience would be 
affected.

On the flipside, the benefits of Cocoa affect 100% of Mac users.

I think the math is pretty compelling in favor of your proposal to drop 
support for that very old version of OS X.

You folks have done a stellar job of supporting older versions of OS X 
longer than even Apple.  Sometimes you just gotta cut the cord and move on.

Go for it.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 25 11:35:09 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:35:09 +0000
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5744D991-2CE5-4A35-AB06-9CE4B45306C5@btinternet.com>

I am currently only a user of the Community Edition and so feel a little guilty about posting regarding this subject, however?

The main reason I have not become a fully paid up member is for me the lack of a speedy scrolling  data grid.

I am currently also evaluating Xojo.

I really don?t want to get into a debate about the speed of the data grid but when subjected to only 6 columns of data and 20 rows in the grid
it really does not scroll smoothly.

So, from a selfish point of few, please upgrade LiveCode and leave PowerPC behind. 

Any speed increases from using the latest Apple compilers would be gratefully received by me.

or and better still...

Produce a data grid that is a compiled object built into LiveCode rather than relying on a rather pedestrian scripted solution.

All the best

Terry

On 25 Feb 2014, at 16:18, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com> wrote:

> Dear List Members,
> 
> As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for
> the last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode
> Github repository, you'll notice that:
> 
> - LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable engine.
> 




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Tue Feb 25 11:44:18 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:44:18 +0200
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.530cc862.79838cb2.be3@fdbqRetina.local>

> Richard:

> I think the math is pretty compelling in favor of your proposal to drop?
> support for that very old version of OS X.?

> You folks have done a stellar job of supporting older versions of OS X?
> longer than even Apple. Sometimes you just gotta cut the cord and move on.?

+1


> Terence:

> So, from a selfish point of few, please upgrade LiveCode and leave PowerPC behind.?

> Any speed increases from using the latest Apple compilers would be gratefully received by me.?

+1

~ Ender

From rjb at robelko.com  Tue Feb 25 11:41:43 2014
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:41:43 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240807cf32780ff127@[192.168.1.94]>

On 25.02.2014 at 16:18 Uhr +0000 Benjamin Beaumont apparently wrote:
>Dear List Members,
>
>Thanks for reading up to this point. We appreciate your feedback as it will
>help us in our decision making process.
>
>Warm regards,
>
>Ben
>

My vote: Drop support for 10.5 for LC 6.7 and newer.

RObert



From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Feb 25 11:53:58 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:53:58 +0100
Subject: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01cf324a$2e034a50$8a09def0$@de>

Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and
faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would
be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my
iMac a MacBook from around 2007 which is not upgradebale on OS X 10.6
anymore and I am sure there are a lot of those machines out there with 10.5,
from my feeling much more than 3,8%. So I would be very unhappy to tell all
my clients out there with these kind of machines, sorry you either can't buy
new software from me nore updates to existing software anymore. And I can't
afford to compile and supply two different versions of my software.

So from my side thumb down

Tiemo


> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
Auftrag
> von Benjamin Beaumont
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Februar 2014 17:19
> An: LiveCode Developer List; How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
> 
> Dear List Members,
> 
> As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for
the
> last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode
Github
> repository, you'll notice that:
> 
> - LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable engine.
> - LiveCode 6.7 (Cocoa) is nearing a workable engine.
> 
> As we approach a DP we have a decision to make in regards to our
continuing
> support for older platforms, in particular, Mac OSX 10.5. LiveCode 6.7
> requires considerable additional development resource to enable us to
continue
> supporting Mac OSX 10.5. The cocoa port is all but complete for MacOS 10.6
and
> above. Our current plan is to put out a DP of LiveCode 6.7 as soon on the
> final elements are running and then return to round out Mac OSX 10.5
support
> in subsequent DPs. LiveCode 7.0 has also required us to spend considerable
> amounts of time ensuring compatibility with 10.5 and has complicated our
build
> process. As the 7.0 project matures, we'll have to continue investing
> development resource to ensure that Mac OSX 10.5 is fully support, above
and
> beyond the resources used to support 10.6 and above.
> 
> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
appropriate
> time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5. It would mean that LiveCode
6.6
> would be the final Mac OSX 10.5 compatible version. We're keen to get the
> right balance between investing our development resources in progress and
> platform support.
> 
> Are there compelling reasons to support MacOS X 10.5 in LiveCode 6.7 and
> above? If so, we'd love to hear them.
> 
> Also, if we don't drop support at this point, when would it be appropriate
for
> us to do so?
> 
> Below is our list of concerns and also reasons we feel it benefits our
team
> and the community to drop support at this time.
> 
> Concerns
> MacOS 10.5 is the final version to support PowerPC. As a result, owners of
> PowerPC based Macs would not be able to use LiveCode 6.7 or above.
However,
> only 3.8% of Mac desktop computers are running MacOS X 10.5 according to
> netmarketshare.com:
> 
>
http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+1
0.
> 5&qpcustomb=0
> 
> Users of LiveCode would be able to continue supporting their PowerPC
customers
> by building with LiveCode 6.6, but as a result would have to start
shipping
> two mac installers.
> 
> Pros
> Dropping support has the following advantages for the LiveCode team and
the
> community:
> 
>    1. We spend less time back porting the 10.6 cocoa implementation to
>    support 10.5 (10.5's Cocoa APIs are less mature than 10.6's and it
isn't
>    possible to completely eliminate Carbon usage for a 10.5 port). We
estimate
>    it will take 3-4 weeks to get the core engine working on 10.5. This
saving
>    also applies to all future projects.
>    2. We spend less time getting new developments to build and run under
>    10.5. For example, the new libraries to support unicode took a
considerable
>    investment of engineering resource to compile for 10.5.
>    3. We can use newer compilers on Mac that have improved optimisation
>    features, the result being a faster LiveCode engine.
>    4. Implementing desktop features for Mac becomes simpler (and as a
>    result quicker) with the API's being relatively consistent from
10.6-10.9.
>    This enables us to deliver features faster. The remainder of the
stretch
>    goals for the kickstarter project are 'feature' implementations.
Supporting
>    10.5 requires us to implement the features for more than one API, in
many
>    cases doubling the amount of work we have to do.
>    5. Building and feature additions become easier for open-source
>    contributors.
> 
> Thanks for reading up to this point. We appreciate your feedback as it
will
> help us in our decision making process.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Ben
> 
> _____________________________________________
> 
> Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd
> 
> LiveCode Product Manager
> mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW email :
> ben at runrev.com company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23 fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487
web :
> www.runrev.com
> 
> LiveCode - Programming made simple
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 25 11:57:46 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:57:46 -0600
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <530C4BCD.5010900@gmail.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>	<618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com>	<0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
	<530C4BCD.5010900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CCB8A.40500@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/25/14, 1:52 AM, Richmond wrote:

> Of course if you really wan to rub his face in the above you should post
> it on the thread in the Forums.

I know you were probably speaking metaphorically, but we shouldn't be 
rubbing anything in anyone's face, unless you want us to appear petty 
and unwelcoming. Also, this list is archived in at least two places and 
if someone wanted to, they could easily see how the community responds 
to any type of criticism.

But I would encourage posts that show objectively why LiveCode is the 
better solution. There is plenty of evidence for that without value 
judgements.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 11:59:32 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 08:59:32 -0800
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <5744D991-2CE5-4A35-AB06-9CE4B45306C5@btinternet.com>
References: <5744D991-2CE5-4A35-AB06-9CE4B45306C5@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <530CCBF4.5070705@fourthworld.com>

Terence Heaford wrote:

 > I am currently only a user of the Community Edition and so feel a
 > little guilty about posting regarding this subject...

You needn't feel guilty at all.  Freely sharing code is what the GPL is 
all about.

You would only need a Commercial license if you need to deploy a 
standalone app under a proprietary license of your own.

But as with any other open source project, you needn't feel any more 
guilty enjoying LiveCode than you would with Firefox, Chrome, 
Thunderbird, MySQL, Linux, or any other open-source-licensed work.

It's always nice when you can contribute back to a project you find 
valuable, whether in cash or code or documentation or by any other 
means.  I maintain an individual membership with the Linux Foundation 
for that reason, since my business derives a lot of value from the Linux 
kernel*, and I'm a contributor to the Ubuntu project.

But never feel guilty about using open source software - sharing is a 
core value expressed in the GPL.  Just dive in and have fun.


 > The main reason I have not become a fully paid up member is for me
 > the lack of a speedy scrolling  data grid.

Do you have any details on that you can share?  Between Trevor's 
excellent scripting, recent additions to the engine, and future engine 
enhancements, I'd like to think we can find a way to get satisfying 
performance for you on that.



* Plug for the Linux Foundation:  Individual Membership is cheap (just 
US$99/yr) and includes steep discounts at O'Reilly, Dell, Lenovo, HP, 
and others, along with an @linux.com email address - see 
<https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/join/individual/join>.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Feb 25 12:02:17 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:02:17 +0000
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <301CC33A-4C7C-4C3A-B1DE-2F3565E5A249@byu.edu>

A little historical perspective:

Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" was released in April 2005, nearly 9 years ago. RunRev only recently announced it is dropping support for Tiger. (In v. 6.6?) 

The transition to Intel processors happened in 2006, 8 years ago. 

OS X 10.5 was released in October 2007, 6.5 years ago. 

Dropping support for 10.5 won't affect me much, if at all, but I do worry about the many primary and secondary schools, public and private, who still depend on old hardware. (Richmond, this is your cue.) :)

My recommendation would be for RunRev to commit to maintaining LC 6.6 for at least another year, and even after that keeping it available for download for PPC/10.5 users.

So I agree with the prevailing sentiment to drop 10.5 support so we can move forward with newer technologies, with this caveat.

My .02.

Devin


On Feb 25, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at runrev.com>
 wrote:

> Dear List Members,
> 
> As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for
> the last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode
> Github repository, you'll notice that:
> 
> - LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable engine.
> - LiveCode 6.7 (Cocoa) is nearing a workable engine.
> 
> As we approach a DP we have a decision to make in regards to our continuing
> support for older platforms, in particular, Mac OSX 10.5. LiveCode 6.7
> requires considerable additional development resource to enable us to
> continue supporting Mac OSX 10.5. The cocoa port is all but complete for
> MacOS 10.6 and above. Our current plan is to put out a DP of LiveCode 6.7
> as soon on the final elements are running and then return to round out Mac
> OSX 10.5 support in subsequent DPs. LiveCode 7.0 has also required us to
> spend considerable amounts of time ensuring compatibility with 10.5 and has
> complicated our build process. As the 7.0 project matures, we'll have to
> continue investing development resource to ensure that Mac OSX 10.5 is
> fully support, above and beyond the resources used to support 10.6 and
> above.
> 
> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
> appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5. It would mean that
> LiveCode 6.6 would be the final Mac OSX 10.5 compatible version. We're keen
> to get the right balance between investing our development resources in
> progress and platform support.
> 
> Are there compelling reasons to support MacOS X 10.5 in LiveCode 6.7 and
> above? If so, we'd love to hear them.
> 
> Also, if we don't drop support at this point, when would it be appropriate
> for us to do so?
> 
> Below is our list of concerns and also reasons we feel it benefits our team
> and the community to drop support at this time.
> 
> Concerns
> MacOS 10.5 is the final version to support PowerPC. As a result, owners of
> PowerPC based Macs would not be able to use LiveCode 6.7 or above. However,
> only 3.8% of Mac desktop computers are running MacOS X 10.5 according to
> netmarketshare.com:
> 
> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=0
> 
> Users of LiveCode would be able to continue supporting their PowerPC
> customers by building with LiveCode 6.6, but as a result would have to
> start shipping two mac installers.
> 
> Pros
> Dropping support has the following advantages for the LiveCode team and the
> community:
> 
>   1. We spend less time back porting the 10.6 cocoa implementation to
>   support 10.5 (10.5's Cocoa APIs are less mature than 10.6's and it isn't
>   possible to completely eliminate Carbon usage for a 10.5 port). We estimate
>   it will take 3-4 weeks to get the core engine working on 10.5. This saving
>   also applies to all future projects.
>   2. We spend less time getting new developments to build and run under
>   10.5. For example, the new libraries to support unicode took a considerable
>   investment of engineering resource to compile for 10.5.
>   3. We can use newer compilers on Mac that have improved optimisation
>   features, the result being a faster LiveCode engine.
>   4. Implementing desktop features for Mac becomes simpler (and as a
>   result quicker) with the API's being relatively consistent from 10.6-10.9.
>   This enables us to deliver features faster. The remainder of the stretch
>   goals for the kickstarter project are 'feature' implementations. Supporting
>   10.5 requires us to implement the features for more than one API, in many
>   cases doubling the amount of work we have to do.
>   5. Building and feature additions become easier for open-source
>   contributors.
> 
> Thanks for reading up to this point. We appreciate your feedback as it will
> help us in our decision making process.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Ben
> 
> _____________________________________________
> 
> Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd
> 
> LiveCode Product Manager
> mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
> email : ben at runrev.com
> company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23
> fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487
> web : www.runrev.com
> 
> LiveCode - Programming made simple
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 25 12:04:33 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:04:33 -0600
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
> appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5.

I haven't built for PowerPC in ages and no one has ever noticed. I vote 
to drop support for OS 10.5.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Tue Feb 25 12:05:02 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:05:02 -0500
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMWDy-Y7YVuLekFOfpeTWXY=XGHny1kNxc+Auq_W59fmQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is yet another opportunity for crowd-funding.  Let everybody put their
money where their needs are.  Default:  Wave and move forward.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
>
>> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
>> appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5.
>>
>
> I haven't built for PowerPC in ages and no one has ever noticed. I vote to
> drop support for OS 10.5.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 25 12:08:04 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:08:04 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CCDF4.5010306@economy-x-talk.com>

Ben,

Dozens of my customers are still using Mac OS X 10.4. I'm quite 
surprised that you are asking about 10.5. Perhaps you shouldn't ask this 
list but some neutral source to find out how many people are really 
using older systems.

Keep in mind that for people who focus on the Mac market, no longer 
supporting OSX 10.5 might make them move on to another development 
platform or put them out of business.

Also, I was at a university some time ago, where they had a classroom 
full with eMacs running OS X 10.3. I had to use an old version of 
Revolution and make changes to my scripts for them. No longer supporting 
OSX 10.5 will definitely be a blow in the face for the educational market!

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/25/2014 17:18, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
> Dear List Members,
>
> As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for
> the last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode
> Github repository, you'll notice that:
>
> - LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable engine.
> - LiveCode 6.7 (Cocoa) is nearing a workable engine.
>
> As we approach a DP we have a decision to make in regards to our continuing
> support for older platforms, in particular, Mac OSX 10.5. LiveCode 6.7
> requires considerable additional development resource to enable us to
> continue supporting Mac OSX 10.5. The cocoa port is all but complete for
> MacOS 10.6 and above. Our current plan is to put out a DP of LiveCode 6.7
> as soon on the final elements are running and then return to round out Mac
> OSX 10.5 support in subsequent DPs. LiveCode 7.0 has also required us to
> spend considerable amounts of time ensuring compatibility with 10.5 and has
> complicated our build process. As the 7.0 project matures, we'll have to
> continue investing development resource to ensure that Mac OSX 10.5 is
> fully support, above and beyond the resources used to support 10.6 and
> above.
>
> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
> appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5. It would mean that
> LiveCode 6.6 would be the final Mac OSX 10.5 compatible version. We're keen
> to get the right balance between investing our development resources in
> progress and platform support.
>
> Are there compelling reasons to support MacOS X 10.5 in LiveCode 6.7 and
> above? If so, we'd love to hear them.
>
> Also, if we don't drop support at this point, when would it be appropriate
> for us to do so?
>
> Below is our list of concerns and also reasons we feel it benefits our team
> and the community to drop support at this time.
>
> Concerns
> MacOS 10.5 is the final version to support PowerPC. As a result, owners of
> PowerPC based Macs would not be able to use LiveCode 6.7 or above. However,
> only 3.8% of Mac desktop computers are running MacOS X 10.5 according to
> netmarketshare.com:
>
> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=0
>
> Users of LiveCode would be able to continue supporting their PowerPC
> customers by building with LiveCode 6.6, but as a result would have to
> start shipping two mac installers.
>
> Pros
> Dropping support has the following advantages for the LiveCode team and the
> community:
>
>     1. We spend less time back porting the 10.6 cocoa implementation to
>     support 10.5 (10.5's Cocoa APIs are less mature than 10.6's and it isn't
>     possible to completely eliminate Carbon usage for a 10.5 port). We estimate
>     it will take 3-4 weeks to get the core engine working on 10.5. This saving
>     also applies to all future projects.
>     2. We spend less time getting new developments to build and run under
>     10.5. For example, the new libraries to support unicode took a considerable
>     investment of engineering resource to compile for 10.5.
>     3. We can use newer compilers on Mac that have improved optimisation
>     features, the result being a faster LiveCode engine.
>     4. Implementing desktop features for Mac becomes simpler (and as a
>     result quicker) with the API's being relatively consistent from 10.6-10.9.
>     This enables us to deliver features faster. The remainder of the stretch
>     goals for the kickstarter project are 'feature' implementations. Supporting
>     10.5 requires us to implement the features for more than one API, in many
>     cases doubling the amount of work we have to do.
>     5. Building and feature additions become easier for open-source
>     contributors.
>
> Thanks for reading up to this point. We appreciate your feedback as it will
> help us in our decision making process.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ben
>
> _____________________________________________
>
> Benjamin Beaumont . RunRev Ltd
>
> LiveCode Product Manager
> mail : 25a Thistle Street Lane South West, Edinburgh, EH2 1EW
> email : ben at runrev.com
> company : +44(0) 845 219 89 23
> fax : +44(0) 845 458 8487
> web : www.runrev.com
>
> LiveCode - Programming made simple
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 12:17:17 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:17:17 -0800
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <530CCB8A.40500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <530CCB8A.40500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <530CD01D.6080706@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 2/25/14, 1:52 AM, Richmond wrote:
>
>> Of course if you really wan to rub his face in the above you should post
>> it on the thread in the Forums.
>
> I know you were probably speaking metaphorically, but we shouldn't be
> rubbing anything in anyone's face, unless you want us to appear petty
> and unwelcoming. Also, this list is archived in at least two places and
> if someone wanted to, they could easily see how the community responds
> to any type of criticism.

Thank you, Jacque.  I posted a reminder there of the Forum Guidelines 
because I saw others were turning the thread into a critique of his 
posting style, and it didn't seem helpful for the goal of fostering a 
friendly, inclusive environment to focus on that.

Sure, some of his word choices were unfortunately distracting, but it 
shouldn't be too hard to look beyond those to keep the spirit of MaxV's 
thread going toward more productive outcomes.  And for the most part it has.


> But I would encourage posts that show objectively why LiveCode is the
> better solution. There is plenty of evidence for that without value
> judgements.

One of the challenges in any community forum is remembering the whole 
audience.

 From time to time every community will have posters show up who use 
challenging language, but the audience for a thread isn't just one 
person, nor even all of those participating, but really it's everyone 
who will read a thread in the future.

The forums will never replace Stack Overflow as a concise 
question-and-answer venue, but they do have one thing in common with SO: 
  they provide a form of community knowledge base that future newcomers 
can draw from.

The poll MaxV posted is a helpful one, and most of the responses have 
been very helpful as well.

I see good things coming from MaxV's discussion.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Feb 25 12:17:22 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:17:22 -0500
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <301CC33A-4C7C-4C3A-B1DE-2F3565E5A249@byu.edu>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<301CC33A-4C7C-4C3A-B1DE-2F3565E5A249@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <36549524-194C-40F3-B2C6-B0C1688094BE@verizon.net>

Is there a distinction between what the LiveCode IDE needs and what a stack needs? Would an OSX 10.5 compatible standalone app be able to open and use a stack that was made in LiveCode 6.7 or later?

If that?s the case then people could use the latest LiveCode for development, and then either send to the school or client an updated stack file, or open up an old version of LiveCode just to build the standalone.




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 25 12:20:59 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:20:59 +0100
Subject: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <005f01cf324a$2e034a50$8a09def0$@de>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<005f01cf324a$2e034a50$8a09def0$@de>
Message-ID: <530CD0FB.405@economy-x-talk.com>

I completely agree with Tiemo's comments. This is a big issues for me.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/25/2014 17:53, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and
> faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would
> be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my
> iMac a MacBook from around 2007 which is not upgradebale on OS X 10.6
> anymore and I am sure there are a lot of those machines out there with 10.5,
> from my feeling much more than 3,8%. So I would be very unhappy to tell all
> my clients out there with these kind of machines, sorry you either can't buy
> new software from me nore updates to existing software anymore. And I can't
> afford to compile and supply two different versions of my software.
>
> So from my side thumb down
>
> Tiemo
>
>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 25 12:22:20 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:22:20 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <301CC33A-4C7C-4C3A-B1DE-2F3565E5A249@byu.edu>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<301CC33A-4C7C-4C3A-B1DE-2F3565E5A249@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <530CD14C.8080209@economy-x-talk.com>

Exactly, Devin! LiveCode is just getting back on the educational market 
and now they are about to lose it again!


--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/25/2014 18:02, Devin Asay wrote:
> A little historical perspective:
>
> Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" was released in April 2005, nearly 9 years ago. RunRev only recently announced it is dropping support for Tiger. (In v. 6.6?)
>
> The transition to Intel processors happened in 2006, 8 years ago.
>
> OS X 10.5 was released in October 2007, 6.5 years ago.
>
> Dropping support for 10.5 won't affect me much, if at all, but I do worry about the many primary and secondary schools, public and private, who still depend on old hardware. (Richmond, this is your cue.) :)
>
> My recommendation would be for RunRev to commit to maintaining LC 6.6 for at least another year, and even after that keeping it available for download for PPC/10.5 users.
>
> So I agree with the prevailing sentiment to drop 10.5 support so we can move forward with newer technologies, with this caveat.
>
> My .02.
>
> Devin
>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 25 12:26:49 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:26:49 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <530CD259.4030100@economy-x-talk.com>

Jacque,

Dropping support for 10.5 isn't the same as dropping support for 
PowerPC. AFAIK, PPC support doesn't really exist for quite a while now.

10.5, however, also runs on a number of Mac models with Intel processor 
and LiveCode would no longer be useful on those machines. If I and 
hundres of other LC users want to keep this market, we will have to test 
every release of our software with an old version of LiveCode, to make 
sure that our scripts still work. That's a lot of extra work for everyone.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/25/2014 18:04, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
>> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
>> appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5.
>
> I haven't built for PowerPC in ages and no one has ever noticed. I vote
> to drop support for OS 10.5.
>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 25 12:27:57 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:27:57 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMWDy-Y7YVuLekFOfpeTWXY=XGHny1kNxc+Auq_W59fmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>	<530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycMWDy-Y7YVuLekFOfpeTWXY=XGHny1kNxc+Auq_W59fmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CD29D.4070607@economy-x-talk.com>

Mike,

When we gave money, we didn't expect that our reward would be the lack 
of support for Mac OS X 10.5.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/25/2014 18:05, Mike Kerner wrote:
> This is yet another opportunity for crowd-funding.  Let everybody put their
> money where their needs are.  Default:  Wave and move forward.
>
>




From endernafi at keehuna.com  Tue Feb 25 12:35:46 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:35:46 +0200
Subject: App and Doc Icons for Windows and Mac
In-Reply-To: <6A76EF0A-6B80-49D1-ADC3-887D2E1EC285@gmail.com>
References: <8D0FF890426DFC1-1254-1A3BD@webmail-d247.sysops.aol.com>
	<530B6EE6.6040006@fourthworld.com> <530B7608.6010707@LinkIt.Com>
	<530B8992.3050508@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6FD376B7-4036-4ED4-A1AC-6675B706CDD1@iotecdigital.com>
	<6A76EF0A-6B80-49D1-ADC3-887D2E1EC285@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etPan.530cd472.2901d82.be3@fdbqRetina.local>

> Peter:

> GOOGLE, n. Acronym: God's Own Official Guide to Locating Everything.?

Good one :))

And there?s this:
http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html


~ Ender

From andrew at ctech.me  Tue Feb 25 12:36:03 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:36:03 -0600
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CD29D.4070607@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycMWDy-Y7YVuLekFOfpeTWXY=XGHny1kNxc+Auq_W59fmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CD29D.4070607@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft8mjHv8AUk6Ax1rD0XQXbMWu9YyV4+GLAfVpT_i7rOGcA@mail.gmail.com>

Currently, I don't target mac so it really my input doesn't matter much.

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> When we gave money, we didn't expect that our reward would be the lack of
> support for Mac OS X 10.5.


That seems rather hyperbolic in light of the situation, in my opinion anyway

That's a lot of extra work for everyone.


Let me fix that for you. That's a lot of work for *you*.

I don't know what the answer here is, but I'm not for anything that will
slow down progress on other goals that are more important to others bottoms
lines as well.

-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 25 12:38:45 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:38:45 -0600
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <530CD01D.6080706@fourthworld.com>
References: <530CCB8A.40500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<530CD01D.6080706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <530CD525.6050404@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/25/14, 11:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> the audience for a thread isn't just one person, nor even all of those
> participating, but really it's everyone who will read a thread in the
> future.

That's what I keep thinking about. I immediately unsubscribed to a 
mailing list once because the regulars were hurling insults about 
something that applied to me personally. Since I was a lurker who had 
never posted, they didn't even know I was there, but that was the end of 
my participation and I still don't want anything to do with them.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Feb 25 12:41:24 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:41:24 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <301CC33A-4C7C-4C3A-B1DE-2F3565E5A249@byu.edu>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<301CC33A-4C7C-4C3A-B1DE-2F3565E5A249@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <3AC4F060-0142-4740-BA48-5947929A658B@m-r-d.de>


Am 25.02.2014 um 18:02 schrieb Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>:

> 
> Dropping support for 10.5 won't affect me much, if at all, but I do worry about the many primary and secondary schools, public and private, who still depend on old hardware. (Richmond, this is your cue.) :)
> 
> My recommendation would be for RunRev to commit to maintaining LC 6.6 for at least another year, and even after that keeping it available for download for PPC/10.5 users.
> 

I think that would be a good compromise.

Matthias

> So I agree with the prevailing sentiment to drop 10.5 support so we can move forward with newer technologies, with this caveat.
> 
> My .02.
> 
> Devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Office of Digital Humanities
> Brigham Young University
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode






From rene.micout at numericable.com  Tue Feb 25 12:50:37 2014
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:50:37 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <166C0CEF-13D7-4E71-97EE-BA0668F34045@numericable.com>


Le 25 f?vr. 2014 ? 18:04, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> a ?crit :

> I vote to drop support for OS 10.5.

+1


From lvhdgc7 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 12:52:32 2014
From: lvhdgc7 at gmail.com (tbodine)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:52:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1393350752064-4676381.post@n4.nabble.com>

The Kickstarter campaign was all about modernizing LC. It's a clear choice to
me: drop 10.5 support. As others have said, people who want to maintain
their old systems can use old versions of LC.

Thanks,
Tom Bodine







--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Support-for-Mac-OSX-10-5-tp4676357p4676381.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 12:52:38 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:52:38 +0200
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CD866.9060808@gmail.com>

On 25/02/14 18:18, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
> Dear List Members,
>
> As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for
> the last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode
> Github repository, you'll notice that:
>
> - LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable engine.
> - LiveCode 6.7 (Cocoa) is nearing a workable engine.
>
> As we approach a DP we have a decision to make in regards to our continuing
> support for older platforms, in particular, Mac OSX 10.5. LiveCode 6.7
> requires considerable additional development resource to enable us to
> continue supporting Mac OSX 10.5. The cocoa port is all but complete for
> MacOS 10.6 and above. Our current plan is to put out a DP of LiveCode 6.7
> as soon on the final elements are running and then return to round out Mac
> OSX 10.5 support in subsequent DPs. LiveCode 7.0 has also required us to
> spend considerable amounts of time ensuring compatibility with 10.5 and has
> complicated our build process. As the 7.0 project matures, we'll have to
> continue investing development resource to ensure that Mac OSX 10.5 is
> fully support, above and beyond the resources used to support 10.6 and
> above.
>
> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
> appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5. It would mean that
> LiveCode 6.6 would be the final Mac OSX 10.5 compatible version. We're keen
> to get the right balance between investing our development resources in
> progress and platform support.
>
> Are there compelling reasons to support MacOS X 10.5 in LiveCode 6.7 and
> above? If so, we'd love to hear them.
>
> Also, if we don't drop support at this point, when would it be appropriate
> for us to do so?
>
> Below is our list of concerns and also reasons we feel it benefits our team
> and the community to drop support at this time.
>
> Concerns
> MacOS 10.5 is the final version to support PowerPC. As a result, owners of
> PowerPC based Macs would not be able to use LiveCode 6.7 or above. However,
> only 3.8% of Mac desktop computers are running MacOS X 10.5 according to
> netmarketshare.com:
>
> http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=0
>
> Users of LiveCode would be able to continue supporting their PowerPC
> customers by building with LiveCode 6.6, but as a result would have to
> start shipping two mac installers.
>
> Pros
> Dropping support has the following advantages for the LiveCode team and the
> community:
>
>     1. We spend less time back porting the 10.6 cocoa implementation to
>     support 10.5 (10.5's Cocoa APIs are less mature than 10.6's and it isn't
>     possible to completely eliminate Carbon usage for a 10.5 port). We estimate
>     it will take 3-4 weeks to get the core engine working on 10.5. This saving
>     also applies to all future projects.
>     2. We spend less time getting new developments to build and run under
>     10.5. For example, the new libraries to support unicode took a considerable
>     investment of engineering resource to compile for 10.5.
>     3. We can use newer compilers on Mac that have improved optimisation
>     features, the result being a faster LiveCode engine.
>     4. Implementing desktop features for Mac becomes simpler (and as a
>     result quicker) with the API's being relatively consistent from 10.6-10.9.
>     This enables us to deliver features faster. The remainder of the stretch
>     goals for the kickstarter project are 'feature' implementations. Supporting
>     10.5 requires us to implement the features for more than one API, in many
>     cases doubling the amount of work we have to do.
>     5. Building and feature additions become easier for open-source
>     contributors.
>
> Thanks for reading up to this point. We appreciate your feedback as it will
> help us in our decision making process.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ben
>
> _____________________________________________
>

As "King of Retro" I would like to say 'keep Mac OS 10.5', but realise 
that, frankly, that the work involved
in not justified: so drop it.

BUT . . . Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial 
licenses avaialble who feel compelled to build for Mac PPC computers.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 12:54:39 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:54:39 +0200
Subject: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <005f01cf324a$2e034a50$8a09def0$@de>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<005f01cf324a$2e034a50$8a09def0$@de>
Message-ID: <530CD8DF.30906@gmail.com>

On 25/02/14 18:53, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and
> faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would
> be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my
> iMac a MacBook from around 2007 which is not upgradebale on OS X 10.6
> anymore and I am sure there are a lot of those machines out there with 10.5,
> from my feeling much more than 3,8%. So I would be very unhappy to tell all
> my clients out there with these kind of machines, sorry you either can't buy
> new software from me nore updates to existing software anymore. And I can't
> afford to compile and supply two different versions of my software.
>
> So from my side thumb down
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>

Statistics are, on the whole, rubbish; but the number of sales to PPC 
Mac users is probably minimal.

Richmond.



From david at rotundasoftware.com  Tue Feb 25 12:55:33 2014
From: david at rotundasoftware.com (David Beck)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 09:55:33 -0800
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7349.1393349758.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7349.1393349758.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CAA63817-D096-4B4B-B04E-2CB5D63A978F@rotundasoftware.com>


Drop it if you need to... isn't it true that people can use older versions of LC if they want to build for 10.5? Keep focused on forward movement.

my 2c


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 13:00:26 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:00:26 -0500
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <530CBCF9.1020609@fourthworld.com>
References: <6893526B-E5A3-4FCB-BD42-6F87007AAAB0@gmail.com>
	<530CBCF9.1020609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <06A14F91-1400-4E58-AD0B-EADE6C0582B5@gmail.com>

On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Peter M. Brigham wrote:
> 
>> When someone says to me that LC is just for amateurs and hobbyists and can't really do any heavy lifting, the first thing I point them to is this:
>> 
>> http://livecode.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/USGS-Landsat7-ForestryApp-livecode-case-study.pdf
>> 
>> -- The NASA Landsat 7 satellite imaging scheduling and database management is run entirely using LC. IMO, this should be very prominently displayed on the LC website.
> 
> Thanks, Peter.  That is indeed a good one, but as one of only three cases shown in the front page there remains a good opportunity to add more. I've discussed this with Ben, and we have a plan in place to address that very soon.
> 
> What path did you follow at the site to find that PDF? I was hoping to find background info on the KLM case there, but I didn't see links to any other info for that or the NASA case.

I had had the old Mirye webpage bookmarked, then that showed up as dead, so I did a google search and located a PDF of the article in the case studies. I don't know if there is a link to the article on the LC webpages, I couldn't find it until I used google. The fact that I had to find it in a roundabout way says something about the problem with the mother site. (Of course, I could have missed it. If so, it may say more about my problem with not finding things that are right in front of my eyes, as my wife points out to me from time to time?.)

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Feb 25 13:03:10 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:03:10 -0800
Subject: [OT] Duplicate Detective
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOJzHfzfxFMbvS48biR5uwENeTorHRCJ+=x7VdHpgHJrw@mail.gmail.com>

Came across this great little utility from the makers of Memory Clean which
was recommended here a couple of weeks ago.  It's $2.99 at the Mac App
Store.  It takes a while to crunch away but it just identified 504
duplicate files on one of my external drives and saved me almost 17 gigs by
deleting them for me.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Feb 25 13:07:40 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:07:40 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft8mjHv8AUk6Ax1rD0XQXbMWu9YyV4+GLAfVpT_i7rOGcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>	<530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>	<CADCoycMWDy-Y7YVuLekFOfpeTWXY=XGHny1kNxc+Auq_W59fmQ@mail.gmail.com>	<530CD29D.4070607@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAHp9Ft8mjHv8AUk6Ax1rD0XQXbMWu9YyV4+GLAfVpT_i7rOGcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CDBEC.1030709@economy-x-talk.com>

No, Andrew. I think this is exactly one of RunRev's problems. Too often, 
they seem to have no attention for how many people are affected by a 
small bug or a strategical change, which seems to be rather unimportant 
at first sight. If you count the total number of hours that people will 
have to spend on testing their scripts, you will understand that this is 
indeed a lot of work compared to the man hours needed to maintain LC for 
OSX 10.5 a little longer.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/25/2014 18:36, Andrew Kluthe wrote:
> Currently, I don't target mac so it really my input doesn't matter much.
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>
>> When we gave money, we didn't expect that our reward would be the lack of
>> support for Mac OS X 10.5.
>
>
> That seems rather hyperbolic in light of the situation, in my opinion anyway
>
> That's a lot of extra work for everyone.
>
>
> Let me fix that for you. That's a lot of work for *you*.
>
> I don't know what the answer here is, but I'm not for anything that will
> slow down progress on other goals that are more important to others bottoms
> lines as well.
>



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Feb 25 13:19:43 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:19:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CD866.9060808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20140225T191216-616@post.gmane.org>

Richmond <richmondmathewson at ...> writes:

> As "King of Retro" I would like to say 'keep Mac OS 10.5', but realise 
> that, frankly, that the work involved
> in not justified: so drop it.
> 
> BUT . . . Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial 
> licenses avaialble who feel compelled to build for Mac PPC computers.

Full agreement from me. I'm anxious that we *finally* move forward to
Cocoa... the writing has been on the wall for quite some time now. I don't
think the problem is PPC vs Intel so much as older non-upgradable hardware.
And for that the changes should be more under the hood so that applications
are compatible at the script level.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 13:27:23 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:27:23 -0800
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CCDF4.5010306@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <530CCDF4.5010306@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <530CE08B.8060107@fourthworld.com>

Mark Schonewille wrote:

 > Perhaps you shouldn't ask this list but some neutral source to find
 > out how many people are really using older systems.

It seems he did both:  before double-checking with the community, he 
cited one of the leading metrics commonly used for identifying OS market 
share, the aggregate stats at NetMarketShare:

<http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=0>

It's difficult to find stats that break down OS X usage by version, but 
if you can turn up any recent ones from Chikita or others it would be 
helpful (the most recent I could find from Chikita were more than a year 
and half old).

Looking around at the rest of the Mac developer community for guidance 
shows that Firefox dropped support for 10.5 last year and Chrome dropped 
it in 2012.

Most of Adobe's products currently require 10.6.8, including Flash 
Player which is extremely dangerous to use without being able to keep up 
with critical security updates.

Apple's last version of Leopard was 10.5.8, released in August 2009. 
AFAIK they've released no security updates since then, compounding the 
dangers present by running outdated versions of Flash with a wide range 
of known security exposures Apple has since fixed in supported versions 
of OS X.

If you know of anyone who absolutely must run OS X 10.5, please remind 
them that it's safe only for local work unconnected to the Internet.


Schools needing access to web resources like Wikipedia using systems 
that are unsafe on the Internet can consider inexpensive options like 
the Internet In A Box project to bring critical resources into the 
classroom without external network connections:
<http://internet-in-a-box.org/>


And of course the useful life span of older computers can be greatly 
extended by installing Linux on them.

For example, Xubuntu (the lightweight Ubuntu variant) runs well on most 
older computers, and v12.10 will continue to get security updates 
through October 2015.  Version 14.04 will be released in April, and will 
receive security updates through April 2019.  A PowerPC build of Xubuntu 
is maintained by the Ubuntu community as well for those who need it.

LiveCode runs well on all Ubuntu-based distros v12.10 and later, and on 
many earlier versions as well but since those are no longer receiving 
security updates I can't recommend anything earlier than 12.10.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 13:33:39 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:33:39 -0800
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <06A14F91-1400-4E58-AD0B-EADE6C0582B5@gmail.com>
References: <06A14F91-1400-4E58-AD0B-EADE6C0582B5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CE203.9090000@fourthworld.com>

Peter M. Brigham wrote:

 > On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> What path did you follow at the site to find that PDF?
...
 > I had had the old Mirye webpage bookmarked, then that showed up as
 > dead, so I did a google search and located a PDF of the article in
 > the case studies. I don't know if there is a link to the article
 > on the LC webpages, I couldn't find it until I used google. The fact
 > that I had to find it in a roundabout way says something about the
 > problem with the mother site.

With some help from Klaus, after a bit of sleuthing I was able to 
pinpoint where the link fell out of the main taxonomy in a recent update 
to the livecode.com nav bar, filed as a bug report so others can more 
easily find the many excellent case studies there:

<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11851>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 13:41:06 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 10:41:06 -0800
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <530CD525.6050404@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <530CD525.6050404@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <530CE3C2.3020904@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay write:

 > On 2/25/14, 11:17 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> the audience for a thread isn't just one person, nor even all of
 >> those participating, but really it's everyone who will read a
 >> thread in the future.
 >
 > That's what I keep thinking about. I immediately unsubscribed to a
 > mailing list once because the regulars were hurling insults about
 > something that applied to me personally. Since I was a lurker who had
 > never posted, they didn't even know I was there, but that was the end
 > of my participation and I still don't want anything to do with them.

That's the great thing about flame wars: they only harm the flamers.

You can walk away from them early on, while their flames remain on the 
web, affecting their reputation, for generations to come.

Like Rudy the Kip sez:

"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
  Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
  Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
  Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it."

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 25 13:47:15 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 18:47:15 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
Message-ID: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>

New thread created following Richards comment in Support for Mac OSX 10.5

> The main reason I have not become a fully paid up member is for me
> the lack of a speedy scrolling  data grid.

> Do you have any details on that you can share?  Between Trevor's excellent scripting, recent additions to the engine, and future engine enhancements, I'd like to think we can find a way to get satisfying performance for you on that.

I work in three Desktop development environments, not really interested in Mobile.

1. SuperCard.
2. Objective-C/Cocoa/Xcode.
3. LiveCode Community Edition.

I have used SC for years and I am very familiar with Scripting.

I have programmed in Objective-C really only to produce Externals for SC.

I started a challenge to myself to produce a home financial app in SC, Objective-C and LiveCode.

In SC I found the use of fields to create a table (20 rows * 6 columns) was not fast enough when scrolling
As a result I created an external to access the fields and place data, this increased the speed to nearly as fast as Objective-C.

In Objective-C it?s as smooth as silk. Nothing else to say.

I then saw LiveCode and placed a small contribution to the update/stretch goals as I was/am concerned that SC is not going to be updated.

I decided to give the financial app a go in LC when I saw the data grid as access to placing/retrieving data is straight forward.
However, I have been disappointed by the speed of scrolling.

I have a Macbook Pro 2.4 GHz late 2008 unibody that could do with an update but is capable of handling this stuff.

So, as a guide:

1700 records consisting of text for date,type,description,amount,balance,category.

Using the page up/down scroll:

1. Cocoa - 4.5 seconds
2. SC with external - 5 seconds
3. LiveCode DataGrid - 9 seconds

I have over the last 2 days assembled my own table using fields/scroller as a group simply for displaying the data, selection of rows and monitoring for mouse double click.

It is unfinished but it?s performance is currently at 6.5 seconds, not to shabby.
It obviously does not have the bells and whistles of the Data Grid, which if it had would probably slow down it?s performance.

One of the main selling points of LiveCode and SuperCard is supposed to be the ease of programming which really appeals to me as opposed to Cocoa/Objective-C
which I can get my head around but takes so long to achieve a result.

But.. with LiveCode and SuperCard you should NOT have to assemble your own complicated Groups to script a standard user interface object.
This is what frustrates me the most. If the people at LiveCode would implement a speedy DataGrid then all would be well.

I sometimes think these things are not done because they are deemed to complicated and time consuming.
I believe it?s the same at SC.

If you can come up with any ideas, I would be grateful.

I thought about having a go at a LC external but to be honest I have had enough of trying to correct the limitations of these development environments.

This is why I am now looking at Xojo to see how their product performs.

I have used RealBasic in the past and from a time vs output point of view found that it lies somewhere between LiveCode and Cocoa.

I have become really used to the LC/SC scripting language and really don?t want to leave.

All the best

Terry




From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Feb 25 13:57:05 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:57:05 -0500
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>

Would you be able to post your simple test stack? It?s quite possible that LiveCode ends up being slower, but one possibility is that in the other two cases the scrolling is happening if the key is pressed at the time, and in LiveCode it may be limited by the keyboard repeat rate. So, it would be interesting to see how you do the scrolling.





From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 25 14:03:13 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:03:13 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CA76D84A-F823-442B-AB39-7A0BC7A79EB3@btinternet.com>

I am a little confused by your suggestion.

All scrolling of the LC DataGrid is done by holding the mouse down in the DataGrid scrollbar and not via. the keyboard.

I may have confused you by referring to page Up/Down, I actually meant the pageUp/Down parts of the scrollbar.

All the best

Terry


On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:57, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Would you be able to post your simple test stack? It?s quite possible that LiveCode ends up being slower, but one possibility is that in the other two cases the scrolling is happening if the key is pressed at the time, and in LiveCode it may be limited by the keyboard repeat rate. So, it would be interesting to see how you do the scrolling.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 14:08:32 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:08:32 -0800
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <530CEA30.9050708@fourthworld.com>

Terence Heaford wrote:

...
 > I then saw LiveCode and placed a small contribution to the
 > update/stretch goals as I was/am concerned that SC is not going to
 > be updated.

FWIW, SC's lead developer, Mark Lucas, is a friend of mine, and I'm in 
touch with him pretty regularly.  We'd talk more often but most of the 
time he's head-deep writing code for the product.  So while I'm glad to 
see you're also evaluating LC, as far as I can tell you needn't worry 
about SC's viability.  For Mac-only projects it remains a good option.


 > So, as a guide:
 >
 > 1700 records consisting of text for 
date,type,description,amount,balance,category.
 >
 > Using the page up/down scroll:
 >
 > 1. Cocoa - 4.5 seconds
 > 2. SC with external - 5 seconds
 > 3. LiveCode DataGrid - 9 seconds

Those metrics are definitely a concern, esp with just 1700 records. 
I'll bet we can boost the LC score there.

Trevor's scripting in response to the scrollbarDrag message is pretty 
clever, and normally produces a very nice result.

But as you noted, using the DataGrid isn't quite as simple to work with 
as some of the native controls, and the way you populate the elements 
within a DG might provide us with an opportunity for a performance boost.

Can you tell is how you populate the DataGrid?

It would also be useful to see the code you have in your row template 
behavior's FillInData and LayoutControl handlers.


And if you're using non-fixed row height, this may help:

How Can I Speed Up Drawing When "fixed row height" is False?
<http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/9852-how-can-i-speed-up-drawing-when-fixed-row-height-is-false>


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 25 14:09:25 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:09:25 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>

Out of interest

LiveCode.

1. Scrolling with Page Up/Down keys 7.5 seconds
2. Scrolling with Page Up/Down via mouse 9 seconds.


All the best

Terry

On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:57, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Would you be able to post your simple test stack? It?s quite possible that LiveCode ends up being slower, but one possibility is that in the other two cases the scrolling is happening if the key is pressed at the time, and in LiveCode it may be limited by the keyboard repeat rate. So, it would be interesting to see how you do the scrolling.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 25 14:09:25 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:09:25 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>

Out of interest

LiveCode.

1. Scrolling with Page Up/Down keys 7.5 seconds
2. Scrolling with Page Up/Down via mouse 9 seconds.


All the best

Terry

On 25 Feb 2014, at 18:57, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Would you be able to post your simple test stack? It?s quite possible that LiveCode ends up being slower, but one possibility is that in the other two cases the scrolling is happening if the key is pressed at the time, and in LiveCode it may be limited by the keyboard repeat rate. So, it would be interesting to see how you do the scrolling.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 14:15:35 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:15:35 +0200
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CE08B.8060107@fourthworld.com>
References: <530CCDF4.5010306@economy-x-talk.com>
	<530CE08B.8060107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <530CEBD7.5070600@gmail.com>

On 25/02/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
> > Perhaps you shouldn't ask this list but some neutral source to find
> > out how many people are really using older systems.
>
> It seems he did both:  before double-checking with the community, he 
> cited one of the leading metrics commonly used for identifying OS 
> market share, the aggregate stats at NetMarketShare:
>
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=0> 
>
>
> It's difficult to find stats that break down OS X usage by version, 
> but if you can turn up any recent ones from Chikita or others it would 
> be helpful (the most recent I could find from Chikita were more than a 
> year and half old).
>
> Looking around at the rest of the Mac developer community for guidance 
> shows that Firefox dropped support for 10.5 last year and Chrome 
> dropped it in 2012.
>
> Most of Adobe's products currently require 10.6.8, including Flash 
> Player which is extremely dangerous to use without being able to keep 
> up with critical security updates.
>
> Apple's last version of Leopard was 10.5.8, released in August 2009. 
> AFAIK they've released no security updates since then, compounding the 
> dangers present by running outdated versions of Flash with a wide 
> range of known security exposures Apple has since fixed in supported 
> versions of OS X.
>
> If you know of anyone who absolutely must run OS X 10.5, please remind 
> them that it's safe only for local work unconnected to the Internet.
>
>
> Schools needing access to web resources like Wikipedia using systems 
> that are unsafe on the Internet can consider inexpensive options like 
> the Internet In A Box project to bring critical resources into the 
> classroom without external network connections:
> <http://internet-in-a-box.org/>
>
>
> And of course the useful life span of older computers can be greatly 
> extended by installing Linux on them.
>
> For example, Xubuntu (the lightweight Ubuntu variant) runs well on 
> most older computers, and v12.10 will continue to get security updates 
> through October 2015.  Version 14.04 will be released in April, and 
> will receive security updates through April 2019.  A PowerPC build of 
> Xubuntu is maintained by the Ubuntu community as well for those who 
> need it.

At which point it might be not a bad idea to point out that RunRev's 
time might be better spent putting a Linux PPC version of Livecode
together rather than anything for Mac OS 10.5 or lower.

Richmond.

>
> LiveCode runs well on all Ubuntu-based distros v12.10 and later, and 
> on many earlier versions as well but since those are no longer 
> receiving security updates I can't recommend anything earlier than 12.10.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Feb 25 14:17:17 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 14:17:17 -0500
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CA76D84A-F823-442B-AB39-7A0BC7A79EB3@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<CA76D84A-F823-442B-AB39-7A0BC7A79EB3@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <9BCF2809-D847-49A9-8674-321B651B9A13@verizon.net>

Yes, that was what I was thinking. I see you?re getting 9 per second with the mouse. 

On Feb 25, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:

> I may have confused you by referring to page Up/Down, I actually meant the pageUp/Down parts of the scrollbar.



From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 25 14:24:00 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 19:24:00 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <530CEA30.9050708@fourthworld.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<530CEA30.9050708@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <80CB9C47-AFC5-4C0D-8353-7CCF802CF997@btinternet.com>



Richard,

Fixed height row is being used.

As for passing the data in, it is simply tab/return delimited from the Sqlite database
which I believe the DataGrid converts to an array for internal use storing at as

[row][?date?]
[row][?type?]
etc..

There are 3 behaviour scripts, for date, amount, balance.

date:

on FillInData pData
   convert pData from seconds to short system date
   set the text of field 1 of me to pData
end FillInData

pData is seconds which is used to store the date in a SQLite database.

amount/balance:

on FillInData pData
   set the numberFormat to "0.00"
   add 0.00 to pData
   set the text of field 1 of me to pData
end FillInData

I have not adjusted the LayoutControl handler from the data grids standard.

All I have is the amount/balance as right justified to align the decimal points.

All the best

Terry




On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:08, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> 
> Can you tell is how you populate the DataGrid?
> 
> It would also be useful to see the code you have in your row template behavior's FillInData and LayoutControl handlers.
> 
> 
> And if you're using non-fixed row height, this may help:
> 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 14:28:13 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:28:13 -0800
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CEBD7.5070600@gmail.com>
References: <530CEBD7.5070600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CEECD.1070203@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

> On 25/02/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> A PowerPC build of Xubuntu is maintained by the Ubuntu community
>> as well for those who need it.
>
> At which point it might be not a bad idea to point out that RunRev's
> time might be better spent putting a Linux PPC version of Livecode
> together rather than anything for Mac OS 10.5 or lower.

Maybe not, since Apple - and most other vendors - dropped support for 
PPC even longer ago than they did OS X 10.5.

I mentioned the PPC build of Xubuntu only for the sake of completeness 
for those running very, very old machine (> a decade now).

For most folks I think it's safe to say that a decade of use is a good 
life span for a computer.

Indeed, how far back would a vendor be expected to go?  15 years?  20? 
Too much has happened in the last 10 for me to think about such things. 
  A school district saddled with machines more than a decade old my be 
eligible for grants or other options that could bring them OLPCs.  Heck, 
even the humble Raspberry Pi probably has more horsepower than a 10 year 
old desktop CPU. :)

That said, as with Xubuntu itself, if the community has enough interest 
the community itself can handle the recompile.


PS: Richmond, have you considered trimming replies to the relevant 
portion you're replying to?

I don't mind scrolling through a lot of text to get to your one-sentence 
replies on my laptop, but on mu phone it's a more cumbersome.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From andrew at ctech.me  Tue Feb 25 14:28:51 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:28:51 -0600
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CDBEC.1030709@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycMWDy-Y7YVuLekFOfpeTWXY=XGHny1kNxc+Auq_W59fmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CD29D.4070607@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAHp9Ft8mjHv8AUk6Ax1rD0XQXbMWu9YyV4+GLAfVpT_i7rOGcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CDBEC.1030709@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft_vOv3rNiSz329EAzGATRDdXGFEq4ES33ot4F=oztU5FQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> No, Andrew. I think this is exactly one of RunRev's problems. Too often,
> they seem to have no attention for how many people are affected by a small
> bug or a strategical change, which seems to be rather unimportant at first
> sight. If you count the total number of hours that people will have to
> spend on testing their scripts, you will understand that this is indeed a
> lot of work compared to the man hours needed to maintain LC for OSX 10.5 a
> little longer.


Except that is what Ben came here to do. To get input from and pay
attention to us, the overwhelming majority of which so far has been
supportive even when critical of the possible outcome. Alarmist language
does everything but add to the discussion. What is a "little longer" in
your opinion? 1 year? 5 years? I would hate for runrev to spend several
months to make something backwards compatible for a short time. Along with
this time spent, I would imagine it would further complicate the code base
in non-trivial ways.




-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 14:32:25 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:32:25 +0200
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CEECD.1070203@fourthworld.com>
References: <530CEBD7.5070600@gmail.com> <530CEECD.1070203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <530CEFC9.6000901@gmail.com>


> PS: Richmond, have you considered trimming replies to the relevant 
> portion you're replying to?
>
> I don't mind scrolling through a lot of text to get to your 
> one-sentence replies on my laptop, but on mu phone it's a more 
> cumbersome.
>

Pruning!

Best, Richmond.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 14:34:07 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:34:07 -0800
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft_vOv3rNiSz329EAzGATRDdXGFEq4ES33ot4F=oztU5FQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHp9Ft_vOv3rNiSz329EAzGATRDdXGFEq4ES33ot4F=oztU5FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CF02F.90802@fourthworld.com>

Andrew Kluthe wrote:

> What is a "little longer" in your opinion? 1 year? 5 years? I would hate
> for runrev to spend several months to make something backwards compatible
> for a short time. Along with this time spent, I would imagine it would
> further complicate the code base in non-trivial ways.

Even if try to set aside the developer salaries and technical debt, it's 
not like it's going to get any less dangerous using an unsupported OS 
version than it was half a decade ago when it stopped getting security 
updates.

Every year an unsupported OS is used, the only people writing 
system-level software for it are organized crime rings.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From jhj at jhj.com  Tue Feb 25 14:34:26 2014
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:34:26 -0800
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140225T191216-616@post.gmane.org>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CD866.9060808@gmail.com>
	<loom.20140225T191216-616@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <736C554F-D3D9-4D01-811F-716A554EE0D7@jhj.com>

On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Richmond <richmondmathewson at ...> writes:
> 
>> As "King of Retro" I would like to say 'keep Mac OS 10.5', but realise 
>> that, frankly, that the work involved
>> in not justified: so drop it.
>> 
>> BUT . . . Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial 
>> licenses avaialble who feel compelled to build for Mac PPC computers.
> 
> Full agreement from me. I'm anxious that we *finally* move forward to
> Cocoa... the writing has been on the wall for quite some time now. I don't
> think the problem is PPC vs Intel so much as older non-upgradable hardware.
> And for that the changes should be more under the hood so that applications
> are compatible at the script level.

Mark expressed my sentiments well. I have a few PPC machines doing single-purpose LC jobs out there, but they are stable and won't be affected. Actually, the one I use the most was built with LC 5.5.6 I think.
.Jerry




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 14:43:33 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:43:33 +0200
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CF02F.90802@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAHp9Ft_vOv3rNiSz329EAzGATRDdXGFEq4ES33ot4F=oztU5FQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CF02F.90802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <530CF265.7080500@gmail.com>


> Even if try to set aside the developer salaries and technical debt, 
> it's not like it's going to get any less dangerous using an 
> unsupported OS version than it was half a decade ago when it stopped 
> getting security updates.
>
> Every year an unsupported OS is used, the only people writing 
> system-level software for it are organized crime rings.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin

So, what chance a Linux PPC build and/or the ability to deliver Linux 
PPC standalones from other platforms?

This is votable: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19328

Richmond.



From rjb at robelko.com  Tue Feb 25 14:43:48 2014
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:43:48 +0100
Subject: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <005f01cf324a$2e034a50$8a09def0$@de>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<005f01cf324a$2e034a50$8a09def0$@de>
Message-ID: <p06240805cf32a0a32204@[141.89.49.13]>

On 25.02.2014 at 17:53 Uhr +0100 Tiemo Hollmann TB apparently wrote:
>Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and
>faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would
>be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my
>iMac a MacBook from around 2007 which is not upgradebale on OS X 10.6
>anymore and I am sure there are a lot of those machines out there with 10.5,
>from my feeling much more than 3,8%. So I would be very unhappy to tell all
>my clients out there with these kind of machines, sorry you either can't buy
>new software from me nore updates to existing software anymore. And I can't
>afford to compile and supply two different versions of my software.
>
>So from my side thumb down
>
>Tiemo

I am stubbornly running 10.6.8 on my main machine but I am starting 
to feel compelled to finally upgrade. Upgrades for more and more 
programs that I use are not supporting 10.6 anymore. As much as it 
pains me, I can understand that to provide support for newer 
features, the programs need newer OSX. People running 10.4 and 10.5 
use older hardware (I have a few of those around) and can't expect to 
be able to run the newest version of a software development system 
(while most of their programs are older versions anyway). As long as 
RunRev supports 6.6 with bug fixes for a decent while, this is a good 
compromise. A few of us that have to support those users commercially 
may have to put extra labor, but the change is  better for majority, 
me thinks.

RObert



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 14:59:22 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 11:59:22 -0800
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CF265.7080500@gmail.com>
References: <530CF265.7080500@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530CF61A.7020005@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:
 > So, what chance a Linux PPC build and/or the ability to deliver Linux
 > PPC standalones from other platforms?
 >
 > This is votable: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19328

Good idea with the forum post.  We may find others in the community who 
have the time and interest to devote to maintaining a PPC build while 
the core team and RunRev keeps their attention on their own ROI.

This is how it's done with Ubuntu, and with TenFourFox, the 
community-driven PPC build of Firefox.

This is one of the reasons I like open source:  nothing can be EOL'd as 
long as there are enough people who want it.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 15:02:32 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:02:32 -0800
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <80CB9C47-AFC5-4C0D-8353-7CCF802CF997@btinternet.com>
References: <80CB9C47-AFC5-4C0D-8353-7CCF802CF997@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <530CF6D8.9040105@fourthworld.com>

Terence Heaford wrote:

 > Fixed height row is being used.
 >
 > As for passing the data in, it is simply tab/return delimited from
 > the Sqlite database which I believe the DataGrid converts to an array
 > for internal use storing at as
 >
 > [row][?date?]
 > [row][?type?]
 > etc..
 >
 > There are 3 behaviour scripts, for date, amount, balance.
 >
 > date:
 >
 > on FillInData pData
 >    convert pData from seconds to short system date
 >    set the text of field 1 of me to pData
 > end FillInData
 >
 > pData is seconds which is used to store the date in a SQLite database.
 >
 > amount/balance:
 >
 > on FillInData pData
 >    set the numberFormat to "0.00"
 >    add 0.00 to pData
 >    set the text of field 1 of me to pData
 > end FillInData
 >
 > I have not adjusted the LayoutControl handler from the data grids
 > standard.
 >
 > All I have is the amount/balance as right justified to align the
 > decimal points.

Noooo!  Never use decimals!  That's what slowing you down!

:)

I'm kidding of course.

In all honesty, I don't see anything there immediately which would 
explain the slowdown.  9 seconds seems a long time to me for just 1700 
records, but your code looks pretty sparse without any obvious things 
that stand out as bottlenecks.

Can you post a link to a screen shot of the layout?

Anyone else here have any suggestions for Terence?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Feb 25 15:17:57 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 12:17:57 -0800
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <80CB9C47-AFC5-4C0D-8353-7CCF802CF997@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<530CEA30.9050708@fourthworld.com>
	<80CB9C47-AFC5-4C0D-8353-7CCF802CF997@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMh0skfQ8XDGWUFo7aFjqCMQE3nk+-yshOcDF5SyY8Z2A@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Terence Heaford
<t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:

> As for passing the data in, it is simply tab/return delimited from the
> Sqlite database
> which I believe the DataGrid converts to an array for internal use storing
> at as
>
> [row]["date"]
> [row]["type"]
> etc..
>

I assume you get the SQLite data with 1 SELECT statement then load it all
into the datagrid?  What method are you using to load it into the datagrid,
dgText or dgData?  Neither one should cause the timing you're seeing but
might give a clue as to what's happening.

There is an alternative way to load large amounts of data into a datagrid
by using the dgNumberOfRecords property but it's considerably more
complicated than using dgData or dgText and really shouldn't be needed for
1700 records.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From zryip.theslug at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 15:20:01 2014
From: zryip.theslug at gmail.com (zryip theSlug)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:20:01 +0100
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <80CB9C47-AFC5-4C0D-8353-7CCF802CF997@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<530CEA30.9050708@fourthworld.com>
	<80CB9C47-AFC5-4C0D-8353-7CCF802CF997@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CANbzFDrxBg3gBXc32KEFnB2yCy_nFLOpA=XsEmSrH+piuu722Q@mail.gmail.com>

Terry,

"Fixed row height" is an option only available for datagrid forms, so
it should be on no help here.

For datagrids working with databases, you should have a look to this lesson:
http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/7341-displaying-large-amounts-of-data

Basically the trick is to replace the FillinData handlers by one
GetDataForLine message

You can also try to set the "animate selections" property of the dg to false:

set the dgProps["animate selections"] of grp "myDataGrid" to false

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Terence Heaford
<t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> Richard,
>
> Fixed height row is being used.
>
> As for passing the data in, it is simply tab/return delimited from the Sqlite database
> which I believe the DataGrid converts to an array for internal use storing at as
>
> [row]["date"]
> [row]["type"]
> etc..
>
> There are 3 behaviour scripts, for date, amount, balance.
>
> date:
>
> on FillInData pData
>    convert pData from seconds to short system date
>    set the text of field 1 of me to pData
> end FillInData
>
> pData is seconds which is used to store the date in a SQLite database.
>
> amount/balance:
>
> on FillInData pData
>    set the numberFormat to "0.00"
>    add 0.00 to pData
>    set the text of field 1 of me to pData
> end FillInData
>
> I have not adjusted the LayoutControl handler from the data grids standard.
>
> All I have is the amount/balance as right justified to align the decimal points.
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 19:08, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Can you tell is how you populate the DataGrid?
>>
>> It would also be useful to see the code you have in your row template behavior's FillInData and LayoutControl handlers.
>>
>>
>> And if you're using non-fixed row height, this may help:
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


Best,
-- 
Zryip TheSlug
http://www.aslugontheroad.com



From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Tue Feb 25 15:26:40 2014
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 21:26:40 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7385.1393356752.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7385.1393356752.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2A3AB829-F516-48D6-AC41-D097BBD217BE@de-mare.nl>

I say drop 10.5 support. 

Any Mac OS X version older than 10.7 shouldn't be considered safe to use on the internet, because it is partially open source and there are no security updates provided for it. Meaning that hackers can tell exactly what is fixed and where the vulnerabilities of the old versions were. If anyone wish to use those old OSes, they are on their own.

Also, LC 6.5 and 6.6 won't disappear. If the file system doesn't change and the language doesn't change too much, it should be fairly simple to use those to brew a compatible version. And even if it does, we got to move on.


Terry Vogelaar



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Feb 25 15:27:24 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:27:24 -0500
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Terence Heaford
<t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:

> Out of interest
>
> LiveCode.
>
> 1. Scrolling with Page Up/Down keys 7.5 seconds
> 2. Scrolling with Page Up/Down via mouse 9 seconds.


Hi Terence,

This sounds more of a speed issue related to how often the scrolling is
fired while using page up/down rather than a general performance issue with
the data grid.

If you click on the data grid scrollbar and just drag from the top to
bottom does the data grid respond quickly?

If so then it may just be a matter of seeing if we can get the page up/page
down to fire more frequently.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Tue Feb 25 15:46:38 2014
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:46:38 -0500
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7349.1393349758.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7349.1393349758.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <46BBFB20-F289-41DC-9A18-3E3C3CF737FD@siphonophore.com>

On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
> appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5.

> 

you will have a much higher percentage of 10.5 in schools where computers are usually used until they die and with macs that can be a long, long time... Many times school labs dont have full time techs or just an instructor upgrading stuff so if its working dont mess with it comes in and even hardware that can get higher oses will not get them until absolutely forced to. When i ran a high school lab it had over 80 macs spanning 11 years and i think 10 or more models, all humming along. there were three os/mac grades at the time for the 80 odd computers depending on hardware and needs to keep things sort of templated so it was all not totally by the computer.

so use in some school situations could be hamptered, but i expect most of the main stream programming ed programs are probably in newer labs with newer computers and oses. for the cases where just a few kids use it then there will most likely be enough post 10.5s to get by.

but at some point you have to say thats it on the other hand. the compromise sounded good with the 6.6 and then keeping it around for legacy development. and having 7 move forward is good.

jeff reynolds


From paulhibbert at mac.com  Tue Feb 25 16:04:38 2014
From: paulhibbert at mac.com (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 13:04:38 -0800
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CF61A.7020005@fourthworld.com>
References: <530CF265.7080500@gmail.com> <530CF61A.7020005@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <41309900-A865-444D-AB2B-2B09926DEA82@mac.com>

I would be happy to see LC move on and drop support for Mac OS X 10.5 in future, especially if they still supply LC6.6, I don't see any good reason hold up so many other developers and their clients for the few that don't want to move on.

If RR continue to supply LC6.6 with support for Mac OS X 10.5 then I don't see where the issue is. If a dev want's to support older versions to keep his/her clients happy, then they are the ones that need to put in the extra effort and charge accordingly, not the rest of us that don't want or need it.

As far as schools are concerned, I taught Photoshop in schools for 7 years and they refused to upgrade from PS Elements 2 with their reasoning based purely on cost, even at education prices, so I'm sure most of them will be happy to run LC 6.6 until such time as they can upgrade their ageing equipment, it must happen eventually. If they can't/won't run newer hardware how can they expect to run the most up-to-date software, especially when they will be getting if free?

I haven't seen any demand for PPC/Universal support, even though I did offer it to my clients, nobody ever requested it. That puts demand "according to my experience" at below 0.05%.

Looking forward to a faster, leaner and more modern LiveCode.

Paul


From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 25 17:04:52 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:04:52 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMh0skfQ8XDGWUFo7aFjqCMQE3nk+-yshOcDF5SyY8Z2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<530CEA30.9050708@fourthworld.com>
	<80CB9C47-AFC5-4C0D-8353-7CCF802CF997@btinternet.com>
	<CAGDT7eMh0skfQ8XDGWUFo7aFjqCMQE3nk+-yshOcDF5SyY8Z2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45E61856-7DD1-4C5C-8DAB-C78806350465@btinternet.com>

Hi,

Correct. one sqlite then dgText.

I have used the other (large data set) method in a previous attempt to improve performance
but basically with the same result.

All the best

Terry

On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:17, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I assume you get the SQLite data with 1 SELECT statement then load it all
> into the datagrid?  What method are you using to load it into the datagrid,
> dgText or dgData?  Neither one should cause the timing you're seeing but
> might give a clue as to what's happening.
> 
> There is an alternative way to load large amounts of data into a datagrid
> by using the dgNumberOfRecords property but it's considerably more
> complicated than using dgData or dgText and really shouldn't be needed for
> 1700 records.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 25 17:06:23 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:06:23 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CANbzFDrxBg3gBXc32KEFnB2yCy_nFLOpA=XsEmSrH+piuu722Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<530CEA30.9050708@fourthworld.com>
	<80CB9C47-AFC5-4C0D-8353-7CCF802CF997@btinternet.com>
	<CANbzFDrxBg3gBXc32KEFnB2yCy_nFLOpA=XsEmSrH+piuu722Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B68D91EE-1882-44C7-B22A-9CF53480F76D@btinternet.com>

My mistake, when I said fixed row height I meant all rows have the same height of 25.

The text is Lucida Grande 13 point.

All the best

Terry

On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:20, zryip theSlug <zryip.theslug at gmail.com> wrote:

> Terry,
> 
> "Fixed row height" is an option only available for datagrid forms, so
> it should be on no help here.
> 
> For datagrids working with databases, you should have a look to this lesson:
> http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons/m/datagrid/l/7341-displaying-large-amounts-of-data
> 
> Basically the trick is to replace the FillinData handlers by one
> GetDataForLine message
> 
> You can also try to set the "animate selections" property of the dg to false:
> 
> set the dgProps["animate selections"] of grp "myDataGrid" to false
> 
> 




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Feb 25 17:08:07 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:08:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Wolfram language
Message-ID: <loom.20140225T230609-363@post.gmane.org>

Looks like the soon-to-be-released Wolfram language will be part of the
upcoming Raspberry Pi OS:

<http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/24/knowledge-based-programming-wolfram-releases-first-demo-of-new-language-30-years-in-the-making/>

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com






From pystcat at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 17:10:31 2014
From: pystcat at gmail.com (PystCat)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:10:31 -0500
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <45E61856-7DD1-4C5C-8DAB-C78806350465@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<530CEA30.9050708@fourthworld.com>
	<80CB9C47-AFC5-4C0D-8353-7CCF802CF997@btinternet.com>
	<CAGDT7eMh0skfQ8XDGWUFo7aFjqCMQE3nk+-yshOcDF5SyY8Z2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E61856-7DD1-4C5C-8DAB-C78806350465@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1CDC0DF1-9022-4FFA-8411-D7EFBEC63B94@gmail.com>

Would it speed things up by using the dgData command instead...? Its an array...

Again... Grasping at straws here... I've never seen a datagrid misbehave like you've described... My apps use a LOT of datagrids and my tables are 100's of thousands of records...  I have one table that adds on average 10,000 records a day.

> On Feb 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Correct. one sqlite then dgText.
> 
> I have used the other (large data set) method in a previous attempt to improve performance
> but basically with the same result.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Terry
> 
>> On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:17, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I assume you get the SQLite data with 1 SELECT statement then load it all
>> into the datagrid?  What method are you using to load it into the datagrid,
>> dgText or dgData?  Neither one should cause the timing you're seeing but
>> might give a clue as to what's happening.
>> 
>> There is an alternative way to load large amounts of data into a datagrid
>> by using the dgNumberOfRecords property but it's considerably more
>> complicated than using dgData or dgText and really shouldn't be needed for
>> 1700 records.
>> 
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Feb 25 17:13:22 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:13:22 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5EC02FF9-4ED3-400B-AE59-37662B818AC3@btinternet.com>

Hi,

Times getting on here in the UK.(22:11), it?s getting time for bed for old people like me.

I will fabricate some not sensitive data for the table and create a quicktime movie and post it where you can see it.

Will do this tomorrow.

Thanks for taking the time to think about this.

All the best

Terry

I
On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:27, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Terence Heaford
> <t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:
> 
>> Out of interest
>> 
>> LiveCode.
>> 
>> 1. Scrolling with Page Up/Down keys 7.5 seconds
>> 2. Scrolling with Page Up/Down via mouse 9 seconds.
> 
> 
> Hi Terence,
> 
> This sounds more of a speed issue related to how often the scrolling is
> fired while using page up/down rather than a general performance issue with
> the data grid.
> 
> If you click on the data grid scrollbar and just drag from the top to
> bottom does the data grid respond quickly?
> 
> If so then it may just be a matter of seeing if we can get the page up/page
> down to fire more frequently.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Feb 25 17:13:57 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:13:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: How To Say =?utf-8?b?4oCcVGhpcw==?= Is =?utf-8?b?Q3JhcOKAnQ==?= In
	Different Cultures
Message-ID: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>

Some cross-cultural issues:

<http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/02/how-to-say-this-is-crap-in-different-cultures/>

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com




From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Feb 25 17:49:20 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:49:20 -0500
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <047545A2-3375-4938-9E08-D82E40862904@verizon.net>

In a sense it doesn?t matter if it is smooth enough. If the test was to click and hold on scroll bar to page downwards, that should be a fair test across tools. If LiveCode is managing 9 updates per second, and the others are managing 15 per second, they are presumably faster at that task.

I would argue that if a tool is easier and better in all respects but a few, and in its less impressive areas it?s still good enough that normal users won?t notice, that ought to be the tool to use!


On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> >If you click on the data grid scrollbar and just drag from the top to
> bottom does the data grid respond quickly?



From shawnlivecode at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 18:02:39 2014
From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:02:39 -0600
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <41309900-A865-444D-AB2B-2B09926DEA82@mac.com>
References: <530CF265.7080500@gmail.com> <530CF61A.7020005@fourthworld.com>
	<41309900-A865-444D-AB2B-2B09926DEA82@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAOc-ndY2RH_RcA6nTHAOj5ctLStcu=zYp2MsXZ1QyftO7p_DGg@mail.gmail.com>

+1 drop support.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Paul Hibbert <paulhibbert at mac.com> wrote:

> I would be happy to see LC move on and drop support for Mac OS X 10.5 in
> future, especially if they still supply LC6.6, I don't see any good reason
> hold up so many other developers and their clients for the few that don't
> want to move on.
>
> If RR continue to supply LC6.6 with support for Mac OS X 10.5 then I don't
> see where the issue is. If a dev want's to support older versions to keep
> his/her clients happy, then they are the ones that need to put in the extra
> effort and charge accordingly, not the rest of us that don't want or need
> it.
>
> As far as schools are concerned, I taught Photoshop in schools for 7 years
> and they refused to upgrade from PS Elements 2 with their reasoning based
> purely on cost, even at education prices, so I'm sure most of them will be
> happy to run LC 6.6 until such time as they can upgrade their ageing
> equipment, it must happen eventually. If they can't/won't run newer
> hardware how can they expect to run the most up-to-date software,
> especially when they will be getting if free?
>
> I haven't seen any demand for PPC/Universal support, even though I did
> offer it to my clients, nobody ever requested it. That puts demand
> "according to my experience" at below 0.05%.
>
> Looking forward to a faster, leaner and more modern LiveCode.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From dave at applicationinsight.com  Tue Feb 25 18:30:11 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:30:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CD866.9060808@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CD866.9060808@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1393371011197-4676423.post@n4.nabble.com>

I also think that parking support for OSX 10.5 now makes sense - what is the
point of including modern LC stuff like scaleFactor for machines too old to
have retina screens?



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Support-for-Mac-OSX-10-5-tp4676357p4676423.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Tue Feb 25 18:48:27 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 15:48:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_How_To_Say_=E2=80=9CThis_Is_C?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?rap=E2=80=9D_In_Different_Cultures?=
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <1393372107616-4676424.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks Mark, that was interesting - no really - it was INTERESTING!



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-To-Say-This-Is-Crap-In-Different-Cultures-tp4676420p4676424.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 25 18:53:43 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 17:53:43 -0600
Subject: How To Say =?windows-1252?Q?=93This_Is_Crap=94_In_Di?=
	=?windows-1252?Q?fferent_Cultures?=
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <530D2D07.2050200@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/25/14, 4:13 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Some cross-cultural issues:
>
> <http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/02/how-to-say-this-is-crap-in-different-cultures/>
>

This is very interesting...and I mean that in the Dutch sense.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From endernafi at keehuna.com  Tue Feb 25 19:03:32 2014
From: endernafi at keehuna.com (Ender Nafi Elekcioglu)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 02:03:32 +0200
Subject: Wolfram language
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140225T230609-363@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140225T230609-363@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <etPan.530d2f54.7c3dbd3d.be3@fdbqRetina.local>

How awesome would it be if we had at least some of these commands in Livecode:
http://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/MachineLearning.html
http://reference.wolfram.com/language/guide/ImageProcessing.html

There is a *FindFaces* function for God?s sake :))
One day, hopefully?


~ Ender

From:?Mark Wieder Mark Wieder
Reply:?Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net
Date:?February 26, 2014 at 0:08:45
To:?use-livecode at lists.runrev.com use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject:? Wolfram language  
Looks like the soon-to-be-released Wolfram language will be part of the  
upcoming Raspberry Pi OS:  

<http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/24/knowledge-based-programming-wolfram-releases-first-demo-of-new-language-30-years-in-the-making/>  

--  
Mark Wieder  
ahsoftware at gmail.com  




_______________________________________________  
use-livecode mailing list  
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com  
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:  
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode  


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Feb 25 19:05:25 2014
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 16:05:25 -0800
Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_How_To_Say_=22This_Is_Crap=22_InDifferent_Cultures?=
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <F62970D3EE7D4EF3AA062A6EA190DA2A@GATEWAY>

> Some cross-cultural issues:
> 
> <http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/02/how-to-say-this-is-crap-in-diffe
> rent-cultures/>

Its got to go a step further though, and consider not only the cultural
context but the individual one - be prepared that your colleague of culture
X isn't a typical X, especially if they are the sort who sought out an
international relationship.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com  Tue Feb 25 20:57:18 2014
From: mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com (Mats Wilstrand)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 02:57:18 +0100
Subject: Wolfram language
Message-ID: <020201cf3296$14c9dad0$3e5d9070$@tapirsoft.com>

Wow! This seems truly to be shift in paradigm. Even with the Open Language
we will be very busy catching up J

 

Mats

 

 



From dunbarx at aol.com  Tue Feb 25 22:11:00 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:11:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMWDy-Y7YVuLekFOfpeTWXY=XGHny1kNxc+Auq_W59fmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CCD21.1060201@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CADCoycMWDy-Y7YVuLekFOfpeTWXY=XGHny1kNxc+Auq_W59fmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D100B7826B893B-1864-2AF7E@webmail-d170.sysops.aol.com>

I will have to buy a new machine for my office desktop, a PPC.


Rats.


Drop support.


Craig 



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5


This is yet another opportunity for crowd-funding.  Let everybody put their
money where their needs are.  Default:  Wave and move forward.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM, J. Landman Gay
<jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote:
>
>> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the
>> appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5.
>>
>
> I haven't built for PowerPC in ages and no one has ever noticed. I vote to
> drop support for OS 10.5.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 22:23:37 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:23:37 +0800
Subject: Wolfram language
In-Reply-To: <020201cf3296$14c9dad0$3e5d9070$@tapirsoft.com>
References: <020201cf3296$14c9dad0$3e5d9070$@tapirsoft.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjtB5UU=SS15MaUtB7m=xUybdd5kEgYuKL7DMF8d9b6Mw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Mats Wilstrand <
mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com> wrote:

> Wow! This seems truly to be shift in paradigm. Even with the Open Language
> we will be very busy catching up J
>

Maybe a function similar to shell, but for wolfram:

put wolfram("predict:number of LiveCode users by 2015") into
tVeryLargeNumber


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 25 23:22:48 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:22:48 -0800
Subject: Wolfram language
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjtB5UU=SS15MaUtB7m=xUybdd5kEgYuKL7DMF8d9b6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kjtB5UU=SS15MaUtB7m=xUybdd5kEgYuKL7DMF8d9b6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530D6C18.3080804@fourthworld.com>

Did you see what [-hh] cooked up in the forums?
<http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=19132>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
  ____________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 03:26:03 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:26:03 +0200
Subject: How To Say =?windows-1252?Q?=93This_Is_Crap=94_In_Di?=
	=?windows-1252?Q?fferent_Cultures?=
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <530DA51B.5050509@gmail.com>

On 26/02/14 00:13, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Some cross-cultural issues:
>
> <http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/02/how-to-say-this-is-crap-in-different-cultures/>
>

I take issue with that word 'British' as we Scots from the East coast up 
from Dundee will not
do things in the same way as people from, say, London.

Within the British Isles there is a vast range of cultural nuances (and 
that is just among the "natives", let alone
the recent arrivals from the subcontinent, the Caribbean and Africa). 
Similarly so where I stay in Bulgaria,
which, despite heavy government propaganda (one could say "crap" here 
with impunity) is multicultural
to an alarming extent.

Cultures and national boundaries to not co-occur.

Richmond.



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb 26 03:28:43 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:28:43 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CD0FB.405@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>	<005f01cf324a$2e034a50$8a09def0$@de>
	<530CD0FB.405@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <002901cf32cc$c3762210$4a626630$@de>

Due to easier reading I have copied hereafter some statements from various
posts I don't agree:

> I haven't built for PowerPC in ages and no one has ever noticed. I vote to
drop support for OS 10.5.
> Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial licenses avaialble
who feel compelled to build for Mac PPC computers

I don't know, why you set 10.5 == PPC. I don't talk about PPC support. I am
talking about OS X 10.5 support on a 2007 Intel machine

> If you know of anyone who absolutely must run OS X 10.5, please remind
them that it's safe only for local work unconnected to the Internet.
> If anyone wish to use those old OSes, they are on their own.
> People running 10.4 and 10.5 use older hardware (I have a few of those
around) and can't expect to be able to run the newest version of a software
development system (while most of their programs are older versions anyway).


I think this is not a "must run" or "whish" of anyone running an old
(unsafe) system, but they don't have a choice, beside dumping their still
fine running hardeware and invest 1200,00 - 2000,00 Euros for new hardware
to be able to buy my product. I guess nobody will do. So it is not a problem
of the customers, but of me loosing market share. You can't upgrade the 10.5
system of a 2007 MacBook to 10.6 because of hardeware incompatibility, it's
not a choice! 

> For most folks I think it's safe to say that a decade of use is a good
life span for a computer.

I am talking about Macs from 2007. Do you think they all have to be dumped?
I think they are still good machines and there are many people who don't
need the newest software and are happy with it, though there are security
leaks.

> People who want to maintain their old systems can use old versions of LC.

It is not a "want to", see above! It's my business to sell software and I
can't tell any potential customer that he first has to buy new hardware. So
it's my decision and my disadvantage and not theirs.

> Also, LC 6.5 and 6.6 won't disappear. If the file system doesn't change
and the language doesn't change too much, it should be fairly simple to use
those to brew a compatible version.

I agree from the technical point of view, that it wouldn't be much, to brew
a downwards compatible version with LC 6.6. But for my part it is not
affordable to provide compatibility for every product and every update to
every new system on Windows, OS X (perhaps even also iOS and Android) and
now additionally testing, compiling and distributing additionally versions
with old LC.

For me it would mean I would stay with LC 6.6. BUT I had to pay year by year
500,- Euro bucks for nothing, because Runrev will switch off my 6.6.
license, if I don't pay. So I had to investigate if I could go back to LC
4.7 because runrev can't switch off that license (if I remember right). If
runrev provides me a persistent license for 6.6. I would agree. Wonderful
new world.

My 2 euro cents

Tiemo




> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
Auftrag
> von Mark Schonewille
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Februar 2014 18:21
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
> 
> I completely agree with Tiemo's comments. This is a big issues for me.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
> 
> Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour
> spaces. http://www.color-converter.com
> 
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> http://qery.us/3fi
> 
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> 
> On 2/25/2014 17:53, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new
> > and faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac
> > users would be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself
> > have beside my iMac a MacBook from around 2007 which is not
> > upgradebale on OS X 10.6 anymore and I am sure there are a lot of
> > those machines out there with 10.5, from my feeling much more than
> > 3,8%. So I would be very unhappy to tell all my clients out there with
> > these kind of machines, sorry you either can't buy new software from
> > me nore updates to existing software anymore. And I can't afford to
compile
> and supply two different versions of my software.
> >
> > So from my side thumb down
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From meitnik at bellsouth.net  Wed Feb 26 03:43:19 2014
From: meitnik at bellsouth.net (Andrew Meit)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 03:43:19 -0500
Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_wolfram_lang=85=2E?=
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7520.1393403172.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7520.1393403172.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9C7CF2C6-3ECB-4233-B1C6-589A7E575830@bellsouth.net>

Will play with this soon...really, having a way to interact with MMa would open some new doors and users too!
thank you for a tease ;-)

btw, some history, Wolfram came close to crafting MMA around HyperTalk..well, rest is history as it goes.. :-(

shalom, Andrew Meit
Please visit my gallery:
	https://www.facebook.com/MeitGarretGallery





On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:26 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Did you see what [-hh] cooked up in the forums?
> <http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=19132>




From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 26 03:51:52 2014
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan Stenhouse)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:51:52 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7520.1393403172.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7520.1393403172.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2726FC2527DF57BC8C26547A5800@phx.gbl>


On 26/02/2014, at 9:26 AM,  Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Good idea with the forum post.  We may find others in the community who 
> have the time and interest to devote to maintaining a PPC build while 
> the core team and RunRev keeps their attention on their own ROI.

Exactly! Since the current open-source release supports 10.5, those who absolutely *need* it can continue to maintain/develop it.

My vote goes to dropping support for 10.5 in the main development branch.

cheers

Alan




From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch  Wed Feb 26 04:02:50 2014
From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:02:50 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7385.1393356752.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7385.1393356752.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <33DC86CB-A7ED-4FD9-96B3-E01056DC0378@id.uzh.ch>

This is absolutely right:


> The Kickstarter campaign was all about modernizing LC. It's a clear choice to
> me: drop 10.5 support. As others have said, people who want to maintain
> their old systems can use old versions of LC.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Bodine


There are many of us waiting for major new features for the desktop version,
for a very long time.
We had to be patient and see how runrev's main goal was to push the mobile
platforms.

That?s OK - but, now is the time to give us (OSX desktop developers) some new features.

Drop support for 10.5 asap !

Cheers
Rolf






From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Feb 25 18:02:11 2014
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:02:11 +1100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED4EAFC5-0BAC-4353-AC1A-BC2EAA443A50@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Folks

Market share is one thing and sales to that market share is another. People still on 10.5 and below are quite used to not being able to buy new software by now so probably aren't even looking. So really this is just a maintenance market (which even Apple with their huge resources don't cover) and LC 6.5 and 6.6 will cover that for as long as it's required. Just like on iOS Apple make it incredibly difficult to build against old SDKs and maintain backwards compatibility so I would much rather that LC were ready when Apple drops Carbon than have new releases of OS X break LiveCode. 

I would add my vote for a Linux PPC version which shouldn't be all that complicated to do. Really the only hope for most of these machines to extend their functional life is to install one of the Linux PPC distros. It's also possible for anyone to maintain a fork of LC Community for as long as they like merging in applicable bug fixes.

Additionally from a contributor's perspective the whole 10.5/10.4 thing is quite frustrating because it means you need to jump through quite a few hoops to build on a modern OS X system. From comments on the engine forum I think at least one potential contributor simply gave up because of the hassle.

Spending a significant chunk of the kickstarter $ on maintaining compatibility with such a small percentage of machines really makes no sense whatsoever. I just wish this question was asked before the time was spent trying to get it working in LC 7 but then again it always takes some time for you to get to the point where you realise something will take a ridiculous amount of resources compared to the gain.

Cheers

--
M E R Goulding 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Wed Feb 26 04:22:26 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:22:26 -0000
Subject: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures
Message-ID: <001301cf32d4$43a0f030$cae2d090$@FlexibleLearning.com>

I need to do a similar table for my wife... I'm a Brit, and she is Polish.
After 30 years she's only now kinda getting the idea!

Hugh Senior
FLCo

Dave Kilroy wrote:

Thanks Mark, that was interesting - no really - it was INTERESTING!

-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon
them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior






From dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 04:23:01 2014
From: dirk.cleenwerck at gmail.com (Dirk prive)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:23:01 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <ED4EAFC5-0BAC-4353-AC1A-BC2EAA443A50@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED4EAFC5-0BAC-4353-AC1A-BC2EAA443A50@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAD3H57aSuAZHRxqtxKN3_K60rgtKncVY44FfdfF0frcjrs0hfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Some other dev platform I use dropped PPC a long time ago, and just dropped
support for anything below 10.7.
They also asked about dropping support for Windows XP.
Dropping 10.6 met with a little resistance there, but didn't lead to a
revolt against the dev platform.
Dropping XP seems to be a little more controversial, but it looks like this
might be dropped as well, since MS won't support it anymore anyway.
I guess support for the old platforms takes up time and needs to stop at a
certain point in time. There is always a last version to use if you still
want to compile for a certain target.
As long as a list is available with what version is needed for what target,
the problem seems minimal. Just make sure if a program requires a certain
target, you don't move beyond the dev platform version that supports that
target.

I also don't need support for 10.5 in new LC versions anymore.

Dirk Cleenwerck


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Monte Goulding <
monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks
>
> Market share is one thing and sales to that market share is another.
> People still on 10.5 and below are quite used to not being able to buy new
> software by now so probably aren't even looking. So really this is just a
> maintenance market (which even Apple with their huge resources don't cover)
> and LC 6.5 and 6.6 will cover that for as long as it's required. Just like
> on iOS Apple make it incredibly difficult to build against old SDKs and
> maintain backwards compatibility so I would much rather that LC were ready
> when Apple drops Carbon than have new releases of OS X break LiveCode.
>
> I would add my vote for a Linux PPC version which shouldn't be all that
> complicated to do. Really the only hope for most of these machines to
> extend their functional life is to install one of the Linux PPC distros.
> It's also possible for anyone to maintain a fork of LC Community for as
> long as they like merging in applicable bug fixes.
>
> Additionally from a contributor's perspective the whole 10.5/10.4 thing is
> quite frustrating because it means you need to jump through quite a few
> hoops to build on a modern OS X system. From comments on the engine forum I
> think at least one potential contributor simply gave up because of the
> hassle.
>
> Spending a significant chunk of the kickstarter $ on maintaining
> compatibility with such a small percentage of machines really makes no
> sense whatsoever. I just wish this question was asked before the time was
> spent trying to get it working in LC 7 but then again it always takes some
> time for you to get to the point where you realise something will take a
> ridiculous amount of resources compared to the gain.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> M E R Goulding
> Software development services
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> mergExt - There's an external for that!
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Wed Feb 26 05:02:06 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:02:06 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>

Hi Trevor,

As promised I have made two short videos and uploaded them to dropbox.

Here are the links:

https://db.tt/N5uFSHft

https://db.tt/Em7cHRsS

Both zip files are approx. 25mb.

The first link is to a video of the Data Grid and demonstrates it?s action.

The second link is to a Table consisting of grouped fields and a scroller that I have partially completed
just to see if the performance is different to the Data Grid.

The performance of both is marginally better than in the video. Seemingly QuickTime recording
the screen affects performance very slightly.

It can be seen that the simple table has better performance than the Data Grid probably because it has no
bells and whistles.
Could this be why I am getting a performance hit from the Data Grid?

I hope there is a solution.

All the best

Terry



On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:27, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> Hi Terence,
> 
> This sounds more of a speed issue related to how often the scrolling is
> fired while using page up/down rather than a general performance issue with
> the data grid.
> 
> If you click on the data grid scrollbar and just drag from the top to
> bottom does the data grid respond quickly?
> 
> If so then it may just be a matter of seeing if we can get the page up/page
> down to fire more frequently.
> 




From bvg at mac.com  Wed Feb 26 07:24:51 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:24:51 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530CCDF4.5010306@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530CCDF4.5010306@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <5C9EF12B-50B2-488E-8AE6-E2D9AC659A55@mac.com>

On 25.02.2014, at 18:08, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> No longer supporting OSX 10.5 will definitely be a blow in the face for the educational market!

I agree with the direction of Mark's point, but maybe not with the way he assesses it's severity. 

Maintaining good terms with the educational market is something that comes up often, as a good strategy to get new blood into the LC mindshare. Not having an up to date engine for older Mac OS versions is definitely a way to say "educational market? uninterested."

In addition, if actions and communications form RunRev regarding educational markets where more stringent and less confused overall, removing older OS versions would not be an issue, because other narratives would carry messages of dedication and will to support schoolish endeavours.


-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From bvg at mac.com  Wed Feb 26 07:37:47 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:37:47 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06F2D81E-9114-4D74-A16F-44440445A1C1@mac.com>

Oh I forgot to say: I appreciate this conversation started by Ben/RunRev immensely, and think these kind of questions should be asked several times each month, ideally as often as any kind of decisions, for example syntax changes, come up.



-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 07:57:46 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:57:46 +0200
Subject: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <001301cf32d4$43a0f030$cae2d090$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <001301cf32d4$43a0f030$cae2d090$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <530DE4CA.4000600@gmail.com>

On 26/02/14 11:22, FlexibleLearning.com wrote:
> I need to do a similar table for my wife... I'm a Brit, and she is Polish.
> After 30 years she's only now kinda getting the idea!

I have a feeling that, very shortly, you are going to have to relabel 
yourself, as we all will.

I am 75% Scots, 25% English, born in Scotland, educated in England, 
legally domiciled in Scotland;

that still does not make me a Brit.

I hope that when/if Scotland goes independent it does not sink into the 
sort of petty nationalism that so coloured
both the Irish Free State and the Republic, where many fine, upstanding 
members of the community were forced
to leave because they did not adhere to the demagogues' narrow definiton 
as to what constituted Irishness.

As an Anglo-Scot with a Bulgarian wife I can only sympathise with you 
and your wife's situation.

[considering I also smoke a pipe as well]

Richmond.

>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
> Dave Kilroy wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark, that was interesting - no really - it was INTERESTING!
>
> -----
> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon
> them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 08:04:48 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:04:48 +0200
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CAD3H57aSuAZHRxqtxKN3_K60rgtKncVY44FfdfF0frcjrs0hfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>	<ED4EAFC5-0BAC-4353-AC1A-BC2EAA443A50@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAD3H57aSuAZHRxqtxKN3_K60rgtKncVY44FfdfF0frcjrs0hfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530DE670.5030006@gmail.com>

On 26/02/14 11:23, Dirk prive wrote:
>   
<snip>
> Dropping XP seems to be a little more controversial, but it looks like this
> might be dropped as well, since MS won't support it anymore anyway.
> I guess support for the old platforms takes up time and needs to stop at a
> certain point in time. There is always a last version to use if you still
> want to compile for a certain target.

<snip>

> I also don't need support for 10.5 in new LC versions anymore.
>
> Dirk Cleenwerck
>
>

Dropping support for Windows XP would be fairly foolish (while dropping 
support for 10.5 and lower will just elicit a tired sigh);

I don't know about anywhere else, but here in Bulgaria, in the "second 
world", almost everybody has a Home PC, as well as a work one,
and with the exception of the Tax Office who run everything on DOS (!!! 
I kid you not !!!), something like 80% of the installed base is Windows XP.

After the fiasco with Vista, an awful lot of people hereabouts don't 
have the money to either buy more powerful machines, or upgrade their
existing rigs to cope with Windows 7 or 8.

Admittedly, in Bulgaria, something like 98% of people who run XP at home 
use a pirated version . .  and we can moralise for hours to
absolutely no effect if we want to.
----------------------------------------------------

And it cannot be only Bulgaria that is in this situation.

Richmond.



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb 26 08:20:08 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:20:08 +0100
Subject: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530DE670.5030006@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>	<ED4EAFC5-0BAC-4353-AC1A-BC2EAA443A50@sweattechnologies.com>	<CAD3H57aSuAZHRxqtxKN3_K60rgtKncVY44FfdfF0frcjrs0hfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<530DE670.5030006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003c01cf32f5$7907bbc0$6b173340$@de>

And those Bulgarians with a good running MacBook from 2007 have the money to
buy a new one???
Even in Germany most ones would hesitate for another couple of years to
spend such a sum, if the old machine still runs.

Tiemo

> 
> Dropping support for Windows XP would be fairly foolish (while dropping
> support for 10.5 and lower will just elicit a tired sigh);
> 
> I don't know about anywhere else, but here in Bulgaria, in the "second
world",
> almost everybody has a Home PC, as well as a work one, and with the
exception
> of the Tax Office who run everything on DOS (!!!
> I kid you not !!!), something like 80% of the installed base is Windows
XP.
> 
> After the fiasco with Vista, an awful lot of people hereabouts don't have
the
> money to either buy more powerful machines, or upgrade their existing rigs
to
> cope with Windows 7 or 8.
> 
> Admittedly, in Bulgaria, something like 98% of people who run XP at home
use a
> pirated version . .  and we can moralise for hours to absolutely no effect
if
> we want to.
> ----------------------------------------------------
> 
> And it cannot be only Bulgaria that is in this situation.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb 26 09:09:59 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:09:59 -0500
Subject: How To Say "This Is Crap" In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <530DA51B.5050509@gmail.com>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
	<530DA51B.5050509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycNrFCfbK80Am97pzNTb-Vt=dqaSbQawPbFws48UyCuF6Q@mail.gmail.com>

So if I was to say "iTunes Radio", everyone in every language wouldn't
agree that what I really meant was "Crap"?


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 26/02/14 00:13, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
>> Some cross-cultural issues:
>>
>> <http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/02/how-to-say-this-is-crap-in-
>> different-cultures/>
>>
>>
> I take issue with that word 'British' as we Scots from the East coast up
> from Dundee will not
> do things in the same way as people from, say, London.
>
> Within the British Isles there is a vast range of cultural nuances (and
> that is just among the "natives", let alone
> the recent arrivals from the subcontinent, the Caribbean and Africa).
> Similarly so where I stay in Bulgaria,
> which, despite heavy government propaganda (one could say "crap" here with
> impunity) is multicultural
> to an alarming extent.
>
> Cultures and national boundaries to not co-occur.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Feb 26 09:22:23 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 06:22:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <530DE4CA.4000600@gmail.com>
References: <001301cf32d4$43a0f030$cae2d090$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<530DE4CA.4000600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1393424543005-4676447.post@n4.nabble.com>

Richmond - what you write about Irish history is 'interesting'



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-How-To-Say-This-Is-Crap-In-Different-Cultures-tp4676438p4676447.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 09:39:23 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:39:23 +0200
Subject: How To Say "This Is Crap" In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycNrFCfbK80Am97pzNTb-Vt=dqaSbQawPbFws48UyCuF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>	<530DA51B.5050509@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycNrFCfbK80Am97pzNTb-Vt=dqaSbQawPbFws48UyCuF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530DFC9B.4030902@gmail.com>

On 26/02/14 16:09, Mike Kerner wrote:
> So if I was to say "iTunes Radio", everyone in every language wouldn't
> agree that what I really meant was "Crap"?
>
>
>

LOL!

Well; only the subset of those who used Macintosh or Windows on a 
regular basis who had ever tried iTunes Radio.

For the sake of argument; the last time I used iTunes was at version 6, 
and, as far as I remember the radio function then was
OK, if, like me, you happen to like Hickey Rockabilly-cum-Bluegrass 
music from Memphis.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 10:10:18 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:10:18 +0200
Subject: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <1393424543005-4676447.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <001301cf32d4$43a0f030$cae2d090$@FlexibleLearning.com>	<530DE4CA.4000600@gmail.com>
	<1393424543005-4676447.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <530E03DA.1020200@gmail.com>

On 26/02/14 16:22, Dave Kilroy wrote:
> Richmond - what you write about Irish history is 'interesting'
>

Well, that is not, quite honestly, my opinion, but that of an Irish 
friend of mine who had this to say:

"Unfortunately, it is the ?Anti? element of nationalism of which I was 
most aware when growing up in Ireland and this is why, even if I am not 
opposed to Scottish independence, (not being Scots myself, I do not have 
an opinion on the matter and regard it as something for the Scots to 
decide) the possibility of the breakup of the UK makes me feel a bit 
queasy. I can only comment about the Irish experience, from which the 
Scots the English and the Welsh all in their desire for ?independence? 
would do well to draw lessons. Secession from the UK, even if it 
satisfied a desire for ?independence? or ?freedom? was a disaster for 
Ireland. The independence that was achieved was flawed by the fact that 
Ireland effectively remained a province of the UK which was inevitable 
given that most of its trade was with the UK. We may have been 
?independent? but decisions that affected us were still being made in 
the Westminster parliament to which because of a choice exercised, not 
by the people of Ireland, but by a group of separatists, we were now 
unable to send representatives. In the aftermath of the secession 
Ireland became increasingly provincial and inward looking and not only 
the English, Scots and Welsh, but also Irish people who did not conform 
to the ideal of what was required to be ?Irish? were most definitely 
regarded as ?other?. And the much vaunted ?freedom? which the 
separatists believed that they had achieved was squandered as the 
Catholic Church was increasingly deferred to by politicians with results 
of which I am sure that you are aware. Sectarianism reigned in both 
parts of the island, more spectacularly in Ulster, but insidiously and 
destructively in the South which lost most of its Protestant population 
in the first 40 years of independence. This situation would have 
continued for much longer had the country not been ?rescued? by its 
membership of the EU. Of course the history of Scotland?s relationship 
with England is very different to that of Ireland; it is a history of 
dynastic alliances rather than of conquest and plantation, so it is to 
be hoped that if the Scots decide in favour of independence (and it now 
seems that sooner or later they probably will) the path that will be 
followed will be closer to that of the Czechs and the Slovaks than that 
followed by the Irish."

Richmond.

>
> -----
> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-How-To-Say-This-Is-Crap-In-Different-Cultures-tp4676438p4676447.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Feb 26 10:13:17 2014
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:13:17 -0500
Subject: How To Say "This Is Crap" In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <530DFC9B.4030902@gmail.com>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
	<530DA51B.5050509@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycNrFCfbK80Am97pzNTb-Vt=dqaSbQawPbFws48UyCuF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530DFC9B.4030902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27AD25D2-4FEC-4D4A-9876-45AD607A3A30@mac.com>

If you haven?t tried the new iTunes radio, I suggest you give it a try. It is almost as good as Pandora with no ads.

Tom

-- Tom McGrath III
http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
mcgrath3 at mac.com

On Feb 26, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> For the sake of argument; the last time I used iTunes was at version 6, and, as far as I remember the radio function then was
> OK, if, like me, you happen to like Hickey Rockabilly-cum-Bluegrass music from Memphis.



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb 26 10:15:50 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:15:50 -0500
Subject: How To Say "This Is Crap" In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <27AD25D2-4FEC-4D4A-9876-45AD607A3A30@mac.com>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
	<530DA51B.5050509@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycNrFCfbK80Am97pzNTb-Vt=dqaSbQawPbFws48UyCuF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530DFC9B.4030902@gmail.com>
	<27AD25D2-4FEC-4D4A-9876-45AD607A3A30@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPb8C8uFgiaDWx+9NFqZrTsh-z7gc6yaOmWD=c7NQVzwQ@mail.gmail.com>

iTunes Radio for me is FULL of ads, AND it sucks.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com>wrote:

> If you haven't tried the new iTunes radio, I suggest you give it a try. It
> is almost as good as Pandora with no ads.
>
> Tom
>
> -- Tom McGrath III
> http://lazyriver.on-rev.com
> mcgrath3 at mac.com
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For the sake of argument; the last time I used iTunes was at version 6,
> and, as far as I remember the radio function then was
> > OK, if, like me, you happen to like Hickey Rockabilly-cum-Bluegrass
> music from Memphis.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 26 10:23:25 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 07:23:25 -0800
Subject: AW: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <002901cf32cc$c3762210$4a626630$@de>
References: <002901cf32cc$c3762210$4a626630$@de>
Message-ID: <530E06ED.4050506@fourthworld.com>

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:

>> I haven't built for PowerPC in ages and no one has ever noticed. I vote to
>> drop support for OS 10.5.
>> Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial licenses avaialble
>> who feel compelled to build for Mac PPC computers
>
> I don't know, why you set 10.5 == PPC. I don't talk about PPC support. I am
> talking about OS X 10.5 support on a 2007 Intel machine

While PPC is definitely a different issue, wouldn't the solution also 
apply?  The only conflict would happen if you choose to add new features 
in future versions of your app that are dependent on things in later 
versions of LC.

Having the current version of LC remain available, as older versions are 
right now, would allow those who need to continue deploying to OS X 10.5 
to do so.


>> For most folks I think it's safe to say that a decade of use is a good
>> life span for a computer.
>
> I am talking about Macs from 2007. Do you think they all have to be dumped?
> I think they are still good machines and there are many people who don't
> need the newest software and are happy with it, though there are security
> leaks.

It would indeed be a shame if Apple limited the useful lifespan of their 
products by rendering them unsafe after just 7 years.

But which 2007 models aren't upgradeable to 10.6?

I have a 2007 MBP (it might even be earlier, I'd have to check), and 
it's running 10.6.8, which is still getting updates from Apple and 
Adobe, and LC will continue to support it with at least the next two 
versions.

AFAIK the big restriction with OS upgrades from Apple was introduced 
with 10.7, since it requires a 64-bit CPU.  I know of no such 
restrictions moving from 10.5 to 10.6.

If there are Macs made in 2007 which can't be upgraded to 10.6 I'd be 
interested to know which ones those are.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Feb 26 11:06:42 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:06:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <530E03DA.1020200@gmail.com>
References: <001301cf32d4$43a0f030$cae2d090$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<530DE4CA.4000600@gmail.com>
	<1393424543005-4676447.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<530E03DA.1020200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1393430802954-4676453.post@n4.nabble.com>

Richmond

I value how the LiveCode community works so I'm not going to engage in
discussing your views of Irish history any more - except to say that (in my
opinion) what you write is some distance away from being fair or balanced. 

You have already aired your opinion so I hope we can now let this matter
rest between us - and I look forward to taking part in other discussions
with you in the future.

Kind regards

Dave



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-How-To-Say-This-Is-Crap-In-Different-Cultures-tp4676438p4676453.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb 26 11:12:13 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:12:13 +0100
Subject: AW: AW: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530E06ED.4050506@fourthworld.com>
References: <002901cf32cc$c3762210$4a626630$@de>
	<530E06ED.4050506@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <004e01cf330d$836fd710$8a4f8530$@de>

Hi Richard,

it is a standard MacBook (not pro) with a 2.2Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo from
beginning 2007 which was at least over here pretty popular for standard
users.

The search for updates doesn't offers me any updates anymore and a manual
try to install 10.6 is refused by the installer because of "hardware
incompatibility" (I have no idea which piece of hardware is invompatible).

> Having the current version of LC remain available, as older versions are
right now, would allow those who need to continue deploying to OS X 10.5 to
do so.

Yes, thats what I have to do, because I can't afford to develop and
distribute in two versions. But my kickstarter investment is gone and I have
to pay 500 bucks every year just that runrev doesn't shut off my old
license.

Tiemo


> 
> It would indeed be a shame if Apple limited the useful lifespan of their
> products by rendering them unsafe after just 7 years.
> 
> But which 2007 models aren't upgradeable to 10.6?
> 
> I have a 2007 MBP (it might even be earlier, I'd have to check), and it's
> running 10.6.8, which is still getting updates from Apple and Adobe, and
LC
> will continue to support it with at least the next two versions.
> 
> AFAIK the big restriction with OS upgrades from Apple was introduced with
> 10.7, since it requires a 64-bit CPU.  I know of no such restrictions
moving
> from 10.5 to 10.6.
> 
> If there are Macs made in 2007 which can't be upgraded to 10.6 I'd be
> interested to know which ones those are.
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Systems
>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>   ____________________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Feb 26 11:18:59 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:18:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: scaleFactor in LiveCode 6.6 (dp1)
Message-ID: <1393431539585-4676455.post@n4.nabble.com>

Is anyone else making use of scaleFactor?

I'm going to be able to use it in an upcoming piece of work for Windows
where an app with a complex GUI will be displayed on a range of differently
sized screens - and it will save me from hours of fiddly work - I love it!

It's still not completely 'cooked' as a functionality (locating a stack with
scaleFactor applied could be a bit smoother) but I'm sure it will improve...

scaleFactor is definitely my favourite part of 6.6 - but who knows, maybe in
time I'll learn to love 'assert' too

Kind regards

Dave



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/scaleFactor-in-LiveCode-6-6-dp1-tp4676455.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Feb 26 11:21:00 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:21:00 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <004e01cf330d$836fd710$8a4f8530$@de>
References: <002901cf32cc$c3762210$4a626630$@de>
	<530E06ED.4050506@fourthworld.com>
	<004e01cf330d$836fd710$8a4f8530$@de>
Message-ID: <EA38CC59-0560-4DFC-A727-8A91B35EDDD6@m-r-d.de>


Hi Tiemo,

i did a quick search and found this here

https://discussions.apple.com/message/19930525#19930525

So it seems you have to contact Apple Sales to order an SL upgrade dvd for your MacBook 2007.

Regards,

Matthias



Am 26.02.2014 um 17:12 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>:

> Hi Richard,
> 
> it is a standard MacBook (not pro) with a 2.2Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo from
> beginning 2007 which was at least over here pretty popular for standard
> users.
> 
> The search for updates doesn't offers me any updates anymore and a manual
> try to install 10.6 is refused by the installer because of "hardware
> incompatibility" (I have no idea which piece of hardware is invompatible).
> 
>> Having the current version of LC remain available, as older versions are
> right now, would allow those who need to continue deploying to OS X 10.5 to
> do so.
> 
> Yes, thats what I have to do, because I can't afford to develop and
> distribute in two versions. But my kickstarter investment is gone and I have
> to pay 500 bucks every year just that runrev doesn't shut off my old
> license.
> 
> Tiemo
> 
> 
>> 
>> It would indeed be a shame if Apple limited the useful lifespan of their
>> products by rendering them unsafe after just 7 years.
>> 
>> But which 2007 models aren't upgradeable to 10.6?
>> 
>> I have a 2007 MBP (it might even be earlier, I'd have to check), and it's
>> running 10.6.8, which is still getting updates from Apple and Adobe, and
> LC
>> will continue to support it with at least the next two versions.
>> 
>> AFAIK the big restriction with OS upgrades from Apple was introduced with
>> 10.7, since it requires a 64-bit CPU.  I know of no such restrictions
> moving
>> from 10.5 to 10.6.
>> 
>> If there are Macs made in 2007 which can't be upgraded to 10.6 I'd be
>> interested to know which ones those are.
>> 
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Systems
>>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>  ____________________________________________________________________
>>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode







From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Feb 26 11:26:10 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:26:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: AW: AW: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <004e01cf330d$836fd710$8a4f8530$@de>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<005f01cf324a$2e034a50$8a09def0$@de>
	<530CD0FB.405@economy-x-talk.com>
	<002901cf32cc$c3762210$4a626630$@de>
	<530E06ED.4050506@fourthworld.com>
	<004e01cf330d$836fd710$8a4f8530$@de>
Message-ID: <1393431970391-4676457.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Tiemo


Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote
> ...and I have to pay 500 bucks every year just that runrev doesn't shut
> off my old
> license.

Yes it does seem unfair that you would have to keep paying just to access an
older version of LC - maybe Heather could make an exception and change the
licence type of the last version of LC to support OSX 10.5 a 'perpetual
licence' - any chance Heather?



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Support-for-Mac-OSX-10-5-tp4676357p4676457.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb 26 11:32:27 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:32:27 +0100
Subject: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <EA38CC59-0560-4DFC-A727-8A91B35EDDD6@m-r-d.de>
References: <002901cf32cc$c3762210$4a626630$@de>	<530E06ED.4050506@fourthworld.com>	<004e01cf330d$836fd710$8a4f8530$@de>
	<EA38CC59-0560-4DFC-A727-8A91B35EDDD6@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <004f01cf3310$57405180$05c0f480$@de>

Hi Matthias,
thats what I did, and the installer of snow leopard told me, my hardware is
out of date and incompatible.
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
Auftrag
> von Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2014 17:21
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
> 
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> i did a quick search and found this here
> 
> https://discussions.apple.com/message/19930525#19930525
> 
> So it seems you have to contact Apple Sales to order an SL upgrade dvd for
> your MacBook 2007.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> Am 26.02.2014 um 17:12 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>:
> 
> > Hi Richard,
> >
> > it is a standard MacBook (not pro) with a 2.2Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo from
> > beginning 2007 which was at least over here pretty popular for
> > standard users.
> >
> > The search for updates doesn't offers me any updates anymore and a
> > manual try to install 10.6 is refused by the installer because of
> > "hardware incompatibility" (I have no idea which piece of hardware is
> invompatible).
> >
> >> Having the current version of LC remain available, as older versions
> >> are
> > right now, would allow those who need to continue deploying to OS X
> > 10.5 to do so.
> >
> > Yes, thats what I have to do, because I can't afford to develop and
> > distribute in two versions. But my kickstarter investment is gone and
> > I have to pay 500 bucks every year just that runrev doesn't shut off
> > my old license.
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> >>
> >> It would indeed be a shame if Apple limited the useful lifespan of
> >> their products by rendering them unsafe after just 7 years.
> >>
> >> But which 2007 models aren't upgradeable to 10.6?
> >>
> >> I have a 2007 MBP (it might even be earlier, I'd have to check), and
> >> it's running 10.6.8, which is still getting updates from Apple and
> >> Adobe, and
> > LC
> >> will continue to support it with at least the next two versions.
> >>
> >> AFAIK the big restriction with OS upgrades from Apple was introduced
> >> with 10.7, since it requires a 64-bit CPU.  I know of no such
> >> restrictions
> > moving
> >> from 10.5 to 10.6.
> >>
> >> If there are Macs made in 2007 which can't be upgraded to 10.6 I'd be
> >> interested to know which ones those are.
> >>
> >> --
> >>  Richard Gaskin
> >>  Fourth World Systems
> >>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> >> ____________________________________________________________________
> >>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription
> >> preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Feb 26 11:38:12 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:38:12 +0100
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <004f01cf3310$57405180$05c0f480$@de>
References: <002901cf32cc$c3762210$4a626630$@de>	<530E06ED.4050506@fourthworld.com>	<004e01cf330d$836fd710$8a4f8530$@de>
	<EA38CC59-0560-4DFC-A727-8A91B35EDDD6@m-r-d.de>
	<004f01cf3310$57405180$05c0f480$@de>
Message-ID: <77DC20CA-31C4-4BC5-B1A6-D3F745F0F191@m-r-d.de>

So Apple sold you an upgrade for your MacBook and the upgrade cannot be installed?
Is it really a retail DVD and not a gray recovery DVD? 
What is support saying? I read in other forums that the white MacBook 2007
runs fine with SL.

Regards,

Matthias

Am 26.02.2014 um 17:32 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>:

> Hi Matthias,
> thats what I did, and the installer of snow leopard told me, my hardware is
> out of date and incompatible.
> Tiemo
> 
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> Auftrag
>> von Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2014 17:21
>> An: How to use LiveCode
>> Betreff: Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Tiemo,
>> 
>> i did a quick search and found this here
>> 
>> https://discussions.apple.com/message/19930525#19930525
>> 
>> So it seems you have to contact Apple Sales to order an SL upgrade dvd for
>> your MacBook 2007.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 26.02.2014 um 17:12 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>:
>> 
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> 
>>> it is a standard MacBook (not pro) with a 2.2Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo from
>>> beginning 2007 which was at least over here pretty popular for
>>> standard users.
>>> 
>>> The search for updates doesn't offers me any updates anymore and a
>>> manual try to install 10.6 is refused by the installer because of
>>> "hardware incompatibility" (I have no idea which piece of hardware is
>> invompatible).
>>> 
>>>> Having the current version of LC remain available, as older versions
>>>> are
>>> right now, would allow those who need to continue deploying to OS X
>>> 10.5 to do so.
>>> 
>>> Yes, thats what I have to do, because I can't afford to develop and
>>> distribute in two versions. But my kickstarter investment is gone and
>>> I have to pay 500 bucks every year just that runrev doesn't shut off
>>> my old license.
>>> 
>>> Tiemo
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It would indeed be a shame if Apple limited the useful lifespan of
>>>> their products by rendering them unsafe after just 7 years.
>>>> 
>>>> But which 2007 models aren't upgradeable to 10.6?
>>>> 
>>>> I have a 2007 MBP (it might even be earlier, I'd have to check), and
>>>> it's running 10.6.8, which is still getting updates from Apple and
>>>> Adobe, and
>>> LC
>>>> will continue to support it with at least the next two versions.
>>>> 
>>>> AFAIK the big restriction with OS upgrades from Apple was introduced
>>>> with 10.7, since it requires a 64-bit CPU.  I know of no such
>>>> restrictions
>>> moving
>>>> from 10.5 to 10.6.
>>>> 
>>>> If there are Macs made in 2007 which can't be upgraded to 10.6 I'd be
>>>> interested to know which ones those are.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Richard Gaskin
>>>> Fourth World Systems
>>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>>> ____________________________________________________________________
>>>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription
>>>> preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription
>> preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription
>> preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode







From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Feb 26 11:46:11 2014
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 08:46:11 -0800
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <530DE670.5030006@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>	<ED4EAFC5-0BAC-4353-AC1A-BC2EAA443A50@sweattechnologies.com><CAD3H57aSuAZHRxqtxKN3_K60rgtKncVY44FfdfF0frcjrs0hfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<530DE670.5030006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>

> Dropping support for Windows XP would be fairly foolish 
> (while dropping support for 10.5 and lower will just elicit a 
> tired sigh);

I think it's a really bad idea to embed something as important as this is a
thread about 10.5.

Check out this Computeworld article:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9245966/Users_postpone_ditch_XP_decis
ion_as_Windows_8_runs_to_stay_in_place

This shows that XP accounted for 29.2% of desktop and notebook PCs as
recently as last month. That's almost 5 x the number of all machines running
Mac OS.

As Richmond suggests, yes, there are a lot of XP desktops in countries where
new software purchases tend to be low. But also, there are many, many
households and SMBs that run what they have, for as long as they can - they
view the PC as a tool to get tasks done.

Best,

Lynn







From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 26 12:00:35 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:00:35 -0800
Subject: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <004f01cf3310$57405180$05c0f480$@de>
References: <004f01cf3310$57405180$05c0f480$@de>
Message-ID: <530E1DB3.9040903@fourthworld.com>

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
> Hi Matthias,
> thats what I did, and the installer of snow leopard told me, my hardware is
> out of date and incompatible.

I'm sorry to hear that.  Apple makes good computers, but their costs 
average about twice that of PCs.  Good components and all that so I'm 
not making a judgment about price, but it seems a reasonable expectation 
that the company would support their products with at least critical 
security updates for longer than 7 years.

In contrast, Windows XP is being EOL'd in April, more than 12 years 
after its release.  Ironically, Microsoft scores lower than Apple in 
customer satisfaction, even though they deliver a longer useful lifespan 
for their systems.


I realize this may not be an option, but it seems hardly a month goes by 
in which I don't stumble across yet another school in my area switching 
to Ubuntu, so here goes:

If the school you work with needs to continue using computers Apple has 
since rendered unsafe, Ubuntu or its lightweight variant Xubuntu will 
probably run quite well on them, providing safe and efficient computing 
which would likely extend the lifespan of those machines by at least 
another couple years, possibly more.

If that may be an option you're welcome to email me directly and I can 
put you in touch with local resources who can assist with that 
transition.  Given the wide range of free software for education in the 
Linux world, it may even help save quite a bit of money beyond the 
hardware expense as well, and your school would enjoy the benefits of 
completely owning their data with open formats.

In fact, my friend Liz is a contributor to the Edubuntu project, an 
Ubuntu-based distro specialized for use in education.  It may be worth 
trying that first to see if it runs well on your systems, since it comes 
with many packages for education preinstalled:
http://www.edubuntu.org/

All Ubuntu-based distros can be run from DVD or USB drive without 
needing to install, so you can evaluate the OS and check compatibility 
without altering the computer in any way.

I'd be happy to lend some guidance porting your software to Ubuntu if 
needed.  It probably won't take much, given LC's good support for Linux 
these days.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 26 12:05:45 2014
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:05:45 -0800
Subject: Wolfram language
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7520.1393403172.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7520.1393403172.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <73C04785-CFAA-40FC-860D-2DFD99B9E30C@sbcglobal.net>

> 
> Message: 29
> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 20:22:48 -0800
> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Wolfram language
> Message-ID: <530D6C18.3080804 at fourthworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Did you see what [-hh] cooked up in the forums?
> <http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=19132>

Richard et. al.

Adding Mathematica and/or Wolfram to LC would be a sea chance. 
Mathematica is already causing  profound changes in educating theoretical physicists. I remember countless hours  solving differential equation, complex integrals, differential geometry and the whole arena of analytical mathematics. Trouble is I loved it, and I would have missed it. I loved every bit of mathematics, the same way so many of you love programing.

It is difficult to know what to include in the curriculum now. It?s not the same as adding hand held calculators to students of arithmetic. Should we teach students how to take square roots. I certainly can?t remember how. Should we teach them how so solve differential equations?

It is surely true that providing these preprogramed solutions in Mathematica makes it possible to expand one?s imagination to whole new areas that were previously inaccessible. And that is a profound change. But there is always the nagging feeling that without the underlying capability to do the math, you will eventually run into a problem that Wolfram hasn?t though of.

And, Richard, as a petty aside, that formula and graph in the forum you cite don?t ?compute.? 
The formula is  y = 3* sin(x+pi*J) where J runs from 0 to 4 and x from -3 to +3.
But adding 2* pi, or 4*pi is the same as 0*pi. In the same way 1*pi and 3*pi give the same results. So there are really only 2 distinct curves, not the 5 shown.
But I?m sure the author was plotting a different formula than the one shown.

And, by the way, that same problem is easy dealt with in, you guessed it, Turtle Graphics:

on mouseUp
  put 40 into scale
  startTurtle
  clean
  repeat with J = 0 to 4
     put -3 into x
     pen up
     setXY x*scale, scale * 3* sin(x+pi*J)
     penDown
     repeat until x >3
        setXY x*scale, Scale * 3* sin(x+pi*J)
        add .1 to x
     end repeat
  end repeat
  choose the browse tool
end mouseUp

But there is another significant difference between LC and what one might achieve in the new Wolfram-enabled LC.  One cannot plot a truly smooth curve in LC. The curve is always a set of line segments joining a set of discrete points. It is similar to the difference between bit map and vector graphics. (I wonder whether Wolfram will provide the ability to show the *evolving* curve as one can in LC?)

I will have to leave that  brave and bold new world to all you young Turks now.  Have fun.  I?m  82,  retired, and my mind doesn?t work as well as it used to.

But I?m still having lots of fun in the old world.

Jim

> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for Desktop, Mobile, and Web
> ____________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
> 




From m_p_wilcox at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Feb 26 12:14:27 2014
From: m_p_wilcox at yahoo.co.uk (Mark Wilcox)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:14:27 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <77DC20CA-31C4-4BC5-B1A6-D3F745F0F191@m-r-d.de>
References: <002901cf32cc$c3762210$4a626630$@de>	<530E06ED.4050506@fourthworld.com>	<004e01cf330d$836fd710$8a4f8530$@de>	<EA38CC59-0560-4DFC-A727-8A91B35EDDD6@m-r-d.de>	<004f01cf3310$57405180$05c0f480$@de>
	<77DC20CA-31C4-4BC5-B1A6-D3F745F0F191@m-r-d.de> 
Message-ID: <1393434867.19912.YahooMailNeo@web28801.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>

Tiemo said early 2007, so it's actually a 2006 (i.e. original intel model) MacBook right? The 2007 model was introduced mid-2007. Even so there are still plenty of folks online who say they have Snow Leopard running just fine on their 2006 MacBook - it seems the only reason you might not be able to is you bought the bottom spec model with only 512MB RAM? That can be upgraded, then you could run 10.6.

So, to clarify, almost every Mac that Apple made back to mid-2006 can run 10.6. The ones before that were PowerPC and there are very good reasons not to support that any more IMO.

My 2 cents on dropping 10.5 support is that it would also reduce the complexity for potential contributors to the engine. Don't underestimate the importance of that if LiveCode is to succeed as an open source project.

Personally I'm waiting for the promised new stuff and am really only interested in mobile, so dropping 10.5 support is obviously the best thing for me, since it gets the new stuff here sooner. :)

Mark?



On Wednesday, 26 February 2014, 16:38, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
 
So Apple sold you an upgrade for your MacBook and the upgrade cannot be installed?
Is it really a retail DVD and not a gray recovery DVD? 
What is support saying? I read in other forums that the white MacBook 2007
runs fine with SL.

Regards,

Matthias

From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Feb 26 12:19:03 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:19:03 +0100
Subject: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <77DC20CA-31C4-4BC5-B1A6-D3F745F0F191@m-r-d.de>
References: <002901cf32cc$c3762210$4a626630$@de>	<530E06ED.4050506@fourthworld.com>	<004e01cf330d$836fd710$8a4f8530$@de>	<EA38CC59-0560-4DFC-A727-8A91B35EDDD6@m-r-d.de>	<004f01cf3310$57405180$05c0f480$@de>
	<77DC20CA-31C4-4BC5-B1A6-D3F745F0F191@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <005601cf3316$d94ef040$8becd0c0$@de>

I didn't asked Apple to sell me an upgrade for my MacBook. I just bought the
standard white retail DVD "on my own risk" and was surprised by the failure.
Afterwords I found several informations that it was a fact that my series of
MacBook wasn't upgradable. It was just a matter of some month, which MacBook
you have. A few month later in 2007 they made them compatible with 10.6. As
I later bought an iMac I didn't followed this issue anymore and was happy to
have a second machine with an older system for compatibility testing. I
don't want to have solved this issue because of my MacBook. I am caring
about my customers, how have the same (wide spread) series of 2006/2007
MacBooks.

Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
Auftrag
> von Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2014 17:38
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
> 
> So Apple sold you an upgrade for your MacBook and the upgrade cannot be
> installed?
> Is it really a retail DVD and not a gray recovery DVD?
> What is support saying? I read in other forums that the white MacBook 2007
> runs fine with SL.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> Am 26.02.2014 um 17:32 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>:
> 
> > Hi Matthias,
> > thats what I did, and the installer of snow leopard told me, my
> > hardware is out of date and incompatible.
> > Tiemo
> >
> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
> > Auftrag
> >> von Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D
> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2014 17:21
> >> An: How to use LiveCode
> >> Betreff: Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Tiemo,
> >>
> >> i did a quick search and found this here
> >>
> >> https://discussions.apple.com/message/19930525#19930525
> >>
> >> So it seems you have to contact Apple Sales to order an SL upgrade
> >> dvd for your MacBook 2007.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Matthias
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 26.02.2014 um 17:12 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de>:
> >>
> >>> Hi Richard,
> >>>
> >>> it is a standard MacBook (not pro) with a 2.2Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo
> >>> from beginning 2007 which was at least over here pretty popular for
> >>> standard users.
> >>>
> >>> The search for updates doesn't offers me any updates anymore and a
> >>> manual try to install 10.6 is refused by the installer because of
> >>> "hardware incompatibility" (I have no idea which piece of hardware
> >>> is
> >> invompatible).
> >>>
> >>>> Having the current version of LC remain available, as older
> >>>> versions are
> >>> right now, would allow those who need to continue deploying to OS X
> >>> 10.5 to do so.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, thats what I have to do, because I can't afford to develop and
> >>> distribute in two versions. But my kickstarter investment is gone
> >>> and I have to pay 500 bucks every year just that runrev doesn't shut
> >>> off my old license.
> >>>
> >>> Tiemo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It would indeed be a shame if Apple limited the useful lifespan of
> >>>> their products by rendering them unsafe after just 7 years.
> >>>>
> >>>> But which 2007 models aren't upgradeable to 10.6?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a 2007 MBP (it might even be earlier, I'd have to check),
> >>>> and it's running 10.6.8, which is still getting updates from Apple
> >>>> and Adobe, and
> >>> LC
> >>>> will continue to support it with at least the next two versions.
> >>>>
> >>>> AFAIK the big restriction with OS upgrades from Apple was
> >>>> introduced with 10.7, since it requires a 64-bit CPU.  I know of no
> >>>> such restrictions
> >>> moving
> >>>> from 10.5 to 10.6.
> >>>>
> >>>> If there are Macs made in 2007 which can't be upgraded to 10.6 I'd
> >>>> be interested to know which ones those are.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Richard Gaskin
> >>>> Fourth World Systems
> >>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the
> >>>> Web
____________________________________________________________________
> >>>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>> subscription
> >>>> preferences:
> >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription
> >> preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription
> >> preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Feb 26 12:23:27 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:23:27 -0800
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNveRpityGVznBbrdNQKz+ohjarM5+aXfKYdAbJccU=Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Terry,
I watched both videos, also played them side-by-side for comparison.  I do
see a slight difference but I'm sure it's mostly due to the complexity of
the datagrid caused by its extra functionality over your table, even though
you're not using the extras.  Sounds like Trevor may have some thoughts
about speeding up page scrolling though.

One thing that could make a small difference is that decimal point
formatting isn't being done in your table although ti's hard to believe
that would make much difference.

 If you're looking for a ready-to-use table control, I will, once again,
give a plug for Bernd Niggemann's modTableField control, although it looks
like you you've already started down the path of making your own.  It's
downloadable at

http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/modTableField/modTableField_0_2_6pub.livecode.zip

By coincidence, I'm using it for exactly the same homegrown financial
tracking application that you're working on.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Terence Heaford
<t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:

> Hi Trevor,
>
> As promised I have made two short videos and uploaded them to dropbox.
>
> Here are the links:
>
> https://db.tt/N5uFSHft
>
> https://db.tt/Em7cHRsS
>
> Both zip files are approx. 25mb.
>
> The first link is to a video of the Data Grid and demonstrates it's action.
>
> The second link is to a Table consisting of grouped fields and a scroller
> that I have partially completed
> just to see if the performance is different to the Data Grid.
>
> The performance of both is marginally better than in the video. Seemingly
> QuickTime recording
> the screen affects performance very slightly.
>
> It can be seen that the simple table has better performance than the Data
> Grid probably because it has no
> bells and whistles.
> Could this be why I am getting a performance hit from the Data Grid?
>
> I hope there is a solution.
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
>
>
>
> On 25 Feb 2014, at 20:27, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Terence,
> >
> > This sounds more of a speed issue related to how often the scrolling is
> > fired while using page up/down rather than a general performance issue
> with
> > the data grid.
> >
> > If you click on the data grid scrollbar and just drag from the top to
> > bottom does the data grid respond quickly?
> >
> > If so then it may just be a matter of seeing if we can get the page
> up/page
> > down to fire more frequently.
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 26 12:31:05 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:31:05 -0800
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>> Dropping support for Windows XP would be fairly foolish
>> (while dropping support for 10.5 and lower will just elicit a
>> tired sigh);
>
> I think it's a really bad idea to embed something as important as this is a
> thread about 10.5.
>
> Check out this Computeworld article:
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9245966/Users_postpone_ditch_XP_decis
> ion_as_Windows_8_runs_to_stay_in_place
>
> This shows that XP accounted for 29.2% of desktop and notebook PCs as
> recently as last month. That's almost 5 x the number of all machines running
> Mac OS.

I promise this will be my last Linux fanboy post this week, but it's 
relevant in reminding us that when it comes to expired systems we have 
options:

11 Percent of Windows XP Users Will Switch to Linux, Survey Claims
<http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/windows-xp-users-may-switch-linux>

This article notes that as of October there were about 500 million PCs 
running XP:
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/six_months_end_xp_support/>

So if the survey methodology pans out, that'll mean roughly 55 million 
new Linux installs.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 26 12:35:12 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:35:12 -0800
Subject: Wolfram language
In-Reply-To: <73C04785-CFAA-40FC-860D-2DFD99B9E30C@sbcglobal.net>
References: <73C04785-CFAA-40FC-860D-2DFD99B9E30C@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <530E25D0.5030804@fourthworld.com>

Jim Hurley wrote:

> And, Richard, as a petty aside, that formula and graph in the forum you cite don?t ?compute.?

Not petty at all.  It's just one more reason we love having you in this 
community:  you help keep our math straight.


> But there is another significant difference between LC and what one might achieve in the new
> Wolfram-enabled LC.  One cannot plot a truly smooth curve in LC. The curve is always a set
> of line segments joining a set of discrete points. It is similar to the difference between
> bit map and vector graphics.

Hopefully that can change now that LiveCode uses the Skia library for 
its graphics primitives.  If memory serves Skia supports Beziers - could 
those be used for what you're looking for?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Wed Feb 26 12:37:28 2014
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:37:28 +0100
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AFAE3376-7774-46AA-A751-9111A53101C3@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 26 f?vr. 2014 ? 18:31, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> a ?crit :

> 11 Percent of Windows XP Users Will Switch to Linux, Survey Claims
> <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/windows-xp-users-may-switch-linux>
> 
> This article notes that as of October there were about 500 million PCs running XP:
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/six_months_end_xp_support/>
> 
> So if the survey methodology pans out, that'll mean roughly 55 million new Linux installs.


The methodology is flawed, as it does not take into account those who flee Linux (which is not an OS, but a kernel) like the plague.

90% troll on the list today, so I indulged myself into this post.

Best regards,
	Fran?ois


From andrew at ctech.me  Wed Feb 26 12:41:37 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:41:37 -0600
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft-3GLVBxq6ekxJii-xDQ-=ov1phPW0SyEMFC_e1a+4QxA@mail.gmail.com>

Should I dare to say is this the "year of linux on the desktop" that we've
been hearing about? Honestly, I think it stops becoming fanboyism when it
makes the shift to a real trend. I think some major players are making a
cultural shift away from microsoft that makes linux the realest contender I
see. For instance: If valve can succeed in getting teenagers that are
playing PC games away from being stuck on windows is going to make the next
10 years very interesting for linux.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>
>  Dropping support for Windows XP would be fairly foolish
>>> (while dropping support for 10.5 and lower will just elicit a
>>> tired sigh);
>>>
>>
>> I think it's a really bad idea to embed something as important as this is
>> a
>> thread about 10.5.
>>
>> Check out this Computeworld article:
>>
>> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9245966/Users_
>> postpone_ditch_XP_decis
>> ion_as_Windows_8_runs_to_stay_in_place
>>
>> This shows that XP accounted for 29.2% of desktop and notebook PCs as
>> recently as last month. That's almost 5 x the number of all machines
>> running
>> Mac OS.
>>
>
> I promise this will be my last Linux fanboy post this week, but it's
> relevant in reminding us that when it comes to expired systems we have
> options:
>
> 11 Percent of Windows XP Users Will Switch to Linux, Survey Claims
> <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/windows-xp-users-may-switch-linux>
>
> This article notes that as of October there were about 500 million PCs
> running XP:
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/six_months_end_xp_support/>
>
> So if the survey methodology pans out, that'll mean roughly 55 million new
> Linux installs.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
>  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From andrew at ctech.me  Wed Feb 26 12:44:43 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:44:43 -0600
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <AFAE3376-7774-46AA-A751-9111A53101C3@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<AFAE3376-7774-46AA-A751-9111A53101C3@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft_93Q83BKE0thr378eAaxqhkULPijL13LEo73jWE_1d5A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais <
francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr> wrote:

> The methodology is flawed, as it does not take into account those who flee
> Linux (which is not an OS, but a kernel) like the plague


My technological incorrectness aside, unix-like unix-derived operating
systems seem to be dominating currently between mac, linux, and stuff like
android.


-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb 26 12:51:44 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:51:44 -0500
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft_93Q83BKE0thr378eAaxqhkULPijL13LEo73jWE_1d5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<AFAE3376-7774-46AA-A751-9111A53101C3@mines-paristech.fr>
	<CAHp9Ft_93Q83BKE0thr378eAaxqhkULPijL13LEo73jWE_1d5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMuYAYaUqfT1QbLxQMA4Qe+=OYPfkpuHw05h2gVcJ=kOA@mail.gmail.com>

you forgot ios


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais <
> francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr> wrote:
>
> > The methodology is flawed, as it does not take into account those who
> flee
> > Linux (which is not an OS, but a kernel) like the plague
>
>
> My technological incorrectness aside, unix-like unix-derived operating
> systems seem to be dominating currently between mac, linux, and stuff like
> android.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Kluthe
> andrew at ctech.me
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 26 12:56:25 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:56:25 -0800
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <AFAE3376-7774-46AA-A751-9111A53101C3@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <AFAE3376-7774-46AA-A751-9111A53101C3@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <530E2AC9.10909@fourthworld.com>

Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

 > Le 26 f?vr. 2014 ? 18:31, Richard Gaskin a ?crit :
 >
 >> 11 Percent of Windows XP Users Will Switch to Linux, Survey Claims
 >> <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/windows-xp-users-may-switch-linux>
 >>
 >> This article notes that as of October there were about 500 million
 >> PCs running XP:
 >> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/six_months_end_xp_support/>
 >>
 >> So if the survey methodology pans out, that'll mean roughly 55
 >> million new Linux installs.
 >
 >
 > The methodology is flawed, as it does not take into account those who
 > flee Linux (which is not an OS, but a kernel) like the plague.

Agreed, every OS has switchers, both to and from.

Do you have a URL which measures the Linux attrition rate?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From andrew at ctech.me  Wed Feb 26 13:00:22 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 12:00:22 -0600
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycMuYAYaUqfT1QbLxQMA4Qe+=OYPfkpuHw05h2gVcJ=kOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<AFAE3376-7774-46AA-A751-9111A53101C3@mines-paristech.fr>
	<CAHp9Ft_93Q83BKE0thr378eAaxqhkULPijL13LEo73jWE_1d5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycMuYAYaUqfT1QbLxQMA4Qe+=OYPfkpuHw05h2gVcJ=kOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft8HLDhHQibeqzfFX2MMqB9KkuA--g91KX7DhqCSTMi9-g@mail.gmail.com>

Sure did. I'm honestly not far at all from saying goodbye to windows for
all but testing and infrequent purposes. The only thing keeping me here was
occasional PC Gaming and some wonky livecode stuff from a few versions ago.
I tried it for almost a year but found myself booting less often into my
linux mint with cinnamon partition out of laziness to switch there for just
my browsing and some non-livecode programming work. Now that livecode is
working better on linux (and has been) and I can fire up a game when work
is done and the kids are to bed, I think I could make it stick. I really
prefer the workflow and simplicity I had on cinnamon. I find myself looking
for windows programs that emulate some of those window management features.

Anyhow, this got very offtopic. Carry on.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> you forgot ios
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais <
> > francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr> wrote:
> >
> > > The methodology is flawed, as it does not take into account those who
> > flee
> > > Linux (which is not an OS, but a kernel) like the plague
> >
> >
> > My technological incorrectness aside, unix-like unix-derived operating
> > systems seem to be dominating currently between mac, linux, and stuff
> like
> > android.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andrew Kluthe
> > andrew at ctech.me
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Feb 26 13:05:04 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:05:04 -0500
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <CAHp9Ft-3GLVBxq6ekxJii-xDQ-=ov1phPW0SyEMFC_e1a+4QxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<CAHp9Ft-3GLVBxq6ekxJii-xDQ-=ov1phPW0SyEMFC_e1a+4QxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXM+jCdqDe4DZCSvQgiURbOTBd=JHiViNu1ioA4t7k8LJQ@mail.gmail.com>

The past 5 years have been the year of linux on the desktop for many people
that I know.  Friends, family, and colleagues bring me their computers to
fix when malware has held their systems hostage.  My first question is
always, "does the system contain any valuable data, and what software do
you use?".  When the answer is internet surfing, and internet explorer, and
office sometimes, I offer Ubuntu.  Those users NEVER switch back to Windows.

When the user does use Windows and lots of PC software, that's what I put
back on it, along with Microsoft Security Essentials.  They are always
surprised that they don't have to pay for antivirus protection.  And I
always LOL at that.

~Roger

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Andrew Kluthe <andrew at ctech.me> wrote:

> Should I dare to say is this the "year of linux on the desktop" that we've
> been hearing about? Honestly, I think it stops becoming fanboyism when it
> makes the shift to a real trend. I think some major players are making a
> cultural shift away from microsoft that makes linux the realest contender I
> see. For instance: If valve can succeed in getting teenagers that are
> playing PC games away from being stuck on windows is going to make the next
> 10 years very interesting for linux.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Richard Gaskin <
> ambassador at fourthworld.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> >
> >  Dropping support for Windows XP would be fairly foolish
> >>> (while dropping support for 10.5 and lower will just elicit a
> >>> tired sigh);
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think it's a really bad idea to embed something as important as this
> is
> >> a
> >> thread about 10.5.
> >>
> >> Check out this Computeworld article:
> >>
> >> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9245966/Users_
> >> postpone_ditch_XP_decis
> >> ion_as_Windows_8_runs_to_stay_in_place
> >>
> >> This shows that XP accounted for 29.2% of desktop and notebook PCs as
> >> recently as last month. That's almost 5 x the number of all machines
> >> running
> >> Mac OS.
> >>
> >
> > I promise this will be my last Linux fanboy post this week, but it's
> > relevant in reminding us that when it comes to expired systems we have
> > options:
> >
> > 11 Percent of Windows XP Users Will Switch to Linux, Survey Claims
> > <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/windows-xp-users-may-switch-linux>
> >
> > This article notes that as of October there were about 500 million PCs
> > running XP:
> > <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/six_months_end_xp_support/>
> >
> > So if the survey methodology pans out, that'll mean roughly 55 million
> new
> > Linux installs.
> >
> > --
> >  Richard Gaskin
> >  Fourth World
> >  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> >  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> >  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Kluthe
> andrew at ctech.me
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 13:06:05 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:06:05 +0200
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <530E2D0D.3090609@gmail.com>

On 26/02/14 19:31, Richard Gaskin wrote:

<prune>
> 11 Percent of Windows XP Users Will Switch to Linux, Survey Claims
> <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/windows-xp-users-may-switch-linux>
>
> This article notes that as of October there were about 500 million PCs 
> running XP:
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/six_months_end_xp_support/>
>
> So if the survey methodology pans out, that'll mean roughly 55 million 
> new Linux installs.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin

<prune>

I hope you are right!

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 13:08:38 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:08:38 +0200
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <AFAE3376-7774-46AA-A751-9111A53101C3@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<AFAE3376-7774-46AA-A751-9111A53101C3@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <530E2DA6.5070301@gmail.com>

On 26/02/14 19:37, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
> Le 26 f?vr. 2014 ? 18:31, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> a ?crit :
>
>> 11 Percent of Windows XP Users Will Switch to Linux, Survey Claims
>> <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/windows-xp-users-may-switch-linux>
>>
>> This article notes that as of October there were about 500 million PCs running XP:
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/six_months_end_xp_support/>
>>
>> So if the survey methodology pans out, that'll mean roughly 55 million new Linux installs.
>
> The methodology is flawed, as it does not take into account those who flee Linux (which is not an OS, but a kernel) like the plague.

Yes; Linux is a kernel, it is also a family of operating systems:

rather like Livecode the programming package and Livecode the 
programming language.

Richmond.
>
> 90% troll on the list today, so I indulged myself into this post.

Face facts: "troll" is just a non-politically correct term for Homo 
Neanderthalis.

>
> Best regards,
> 	Fran?ois




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Feb 26 13:15:59 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:15:59 -0800
Subject: scaleFactor in LiveCode 6.6 (dp1)
In-Reply-To: <1393431539585-4676455.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1393431539585-4676455.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CF336BD1.3BC12%scott@tactilemedia.com>

I've been looking for a way to accomplish zooming into (what are
essentially) flow charts, and the scaleFactor property is making this
possible.  The currently behavior is is wonky (need a way to keep the
window dimensions stable while the scaling takes place) but it's working
and shows the potential of doing things like a scalable drawing canvas
like you'd find in any most pro graphics app.  I imagine pinch to zoom
could work in some cases on mobile.

The biggest restriction in all this is that *everything* in a stack is
scaled.  It would be great if there was a way to keep some elements
not-scaled.  Think of the zoom control in Google maps that stays fixed in
size while the map contents are scaled.  You can accomplish this on
desktop by using a separate stack for the controls, but on mobile where
only one stack is visible at a time, I believe you'd have to reverse scale
a zoom control and position it while the other stack contents are scaled.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 2/26/14 8:18 AM, "Dave Kilroy" <dave at applicationinsight.com> wrote:

>Is anyone else making use of scaleFactor?
>
>I'm going to be able to use it in an upcoming piece of work for Windows
>where an app with a complex GUI will be displayed on a range of
>differently
>sized screens - and it will save me from hours of fiddly work - I love it!
>
>It's still not completely 'cooked' as a functionality (locating a stack
>with
>scaleFactor applied could be a bit smoother) but I'm sure it will
>improve...
>
>scaleFactor is definitely my favourite part of 6.6 - but who knows, maybe
>in
>time I'll learn to love 'assert' too
>
>Kind regards
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>-----
>"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust
>upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
>
>--
>View this message in context:
>http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/scaleFactor-in-LiveCode-6-6
>-dp1-tp4676455.html
>Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-livecode mailing list
>use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>





From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Wed Feb 26 13:34:57 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:34:57 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNveRpityGVznBbrdNQKz+ohjarM5+aXfKYdAbJccU=Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAGDT7eNveRpityGVznBbrdNQKz+ohjarM5+aXfKYdAbJccU=Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <701E4812-F7C4-4A2F-9AF3-F1AAB05B4509@btinternet.com>

Hi,

I have looked at modTableField but noted in the docs you can?t have right alignment
unless I misread that would mean no decimal point alignment.

All the best

Terry

On 26 Feb 2014, at 17:23, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> 
> If you're looking for a ready-to-use table control, I will, once again,
> give a plug for Bernd Niggemann's modTableField control, although it looks
> like you you've already started down the path of making your own.  It's
> downloadable at
> 
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/modTableField/modTableField_0_2_6pub.livecode.zip
> 
> By coincidence, I'm using it for exactly the same homegrown financial
> tracking application that you're working on.
> 




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 26 13:48:02 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 10:48:02 -0800
Subject: scaleFactor in LiveCode 6.6 (dp1)
In-Reply-To: <CF336BD1.3BC12%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CF336BD1.3BC12%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <530E36E2.6050209@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:

> I've been looking for a way to accomplish zooming into (what are
> essentially) flow charts, and the scaleFactor property is making this
> possible.
...
> The biggest restriction in all this is that *everything* in a stack is
> scaled.  It would be great if there was a way to keep some elements
> not-scaled.

The RunRev team recently pulled out part of a request I made years ago 
into its own request for that:

Can we have the scalingFactor available for the contents of groups?
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11842>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Wed Feb 26 13:49:27 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:49:27 -0500
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <530E2DA6.5070301@gmail.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<AFAE3376-7774-46AA-A751-9111A53101C3@mines-paristech.fr>
	<530E2DA6.5070301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPNDFpX8k6iZ68FQJSdc6_ksVqGfx=9L5c9HabYTVNjNg@mail.gmail.com>

Wait - is that in German or Irish?


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 26/02/14 19:37, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>
>> Le 26 f?vr. 2014 ? 18:31, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> a
>> ?crit :
>>
>>  11 Percent of Windows XP Users Will Switch to Linux, Survey Claims
>>> <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/windows-xp-users-may-switch-linux>
>>>
>>> This article notes that as of October there were about 500 million PCs
>>> running XP:
>>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/six_months_end_xp_support/>
>>>
>>> So if the survey methodology pans out, that'll mean roughly 55 million
>>> new Linux installs.
>>>
>>
>> The methodology is flawed, as it does not take into account those who
>> flee Linux (which is not an OS, but a kernel) like the plague.
>>
>
> Yes; Linux is a kernel, it is also a family of operating systems:
>
> rather like Livecode the programming package and Livecode the programming
> language.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
>> 90% troll on the list today, so I indulged myself into this post.
>>
>
> Face facts: "troll" is just a non-politically correct term for Homo
> Neanderthalis.
>
>
>
>> Best regards,
>>         Fran?ois
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Feb 26 14:18:05 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:18:05 -0800
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <701E4812-F7C4-4A2F-9AF3-F1AAB05B4509@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAGDT7eNveRpityGVznBbrdNQKz+ohjarM5+aXfKYdAbJccU=Pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<701E4812-F7C4-4A2F-9AF3-F1AAB05B4509@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMnDiez3SAuGkb7jhmKk5MUgNExCwfsOb5uPwiguMkM+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Terence,
You're right, modTableField doesn't have a built-in way to right justify a
column.  I hope one day LC implements right (and center) tabs.

I did come up with a workaround to right justify a column which seems to
work speedily.  If you're interested email me off list and I'll send it to
you.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Terence Heaford
<t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have looked at modTableField but noted in the docs you can't have right
> alignment
> unless I misread that would mean no decimal point alignment.
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
>
> On 26 Feb 2014, at 17:23, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > If you're looking for a ready-to-use table control, I will, once again,
> > give a plug for Bernd Niggemann's modTableField control, although it
> looks
> > like you you've already started down the path of making your own.  It's
> > downloadable at
> >
> >
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/modTableField/modTableField_0_2_6pub.livecode.zip
> >
> > By coincidence, I'm using it for exactly the same homegrown financial
> > tracking application that you're working on.
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From gwjapp at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 14:21:46 2014
From: gwjapp at gmail.com (Gabriel Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:21:46 -0500
Subject: Finding available memory without shell, how to use hasMemory()
In-Reply-To: <114165672104.20140223180949@ahsoftware.net>
References: <CADJRyz165m1URWedKEwDusCSyAwze7HiwvnkeTgFQGp4O5Xc+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<114165672104.20140223180949@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CADJRyz0ZF-GhDEZjEourWeh8sEzL-zjwkTbjwk2QctJSQ=A3kw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the responses. Yes, we are saving a 100+ MB data file to disk,
and when the free memory gets to be under 100 MB, saving to a standard hard
drive (not SSD) sometimes ends up taking a very long time (in Mac OS X),
making it appear to the user that the program has locked up. We have
contemplated going about this a different way, but the quickest fix for us
at the moment is to catch low memory situations.

Mark: Yes, we need to know the amount of free ram (without counting the
swap/inactive memory).


Gabe Johnson
gwjapp at gmail.com
603-978-9881


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Gabriel-
>
> Thursday, February 20, 2014, 11:07:59 AM, you wrote:
>
> > Hey All,
>
> > I am working on a program where I need to know the amount of available
> > memory.
>
> > I'm running on OS X and hasMemory() appears to return true/false for the
> > same values regardless changes to free/available memory. Is there some
> > trick to getting hasMemory() to correspond with the actual available
> > memory? Is this possibly something that is being addressed in newer
> > versions of LiveCode?
>
> Ah, the curse of modern operating systems...
>
> What the hasMemory() function does is allocate and then free the
> specified amount of memory, and then returns a boolean telling whether
> it was successful. However, before doing that, it casts the desired
> amount as a uint4, which limits the amount to 2147483647. If you're
> trying to see if more than 2G of memory is available, that won't help.
> And because modern operating systems will very happily exchange chunks
> of memory out to swap files when necessary, it's unlikely that you'll
> see the malloc fail, and thus you should see a "true" return value.
>
> Are you doing something where you really need to see the actual free
> ram without the swap/inactive memory? The "available" term here is a
> bit ambiguous, and depends on your needs.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  ahsoftware at gmail.com
>
> This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National
> Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not
> consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any
> related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting,
> disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received
> this communication in error, please delete it immediately.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Feb 26 14:31:50 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:31:50 -0500
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Terence Heaford
<t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:

>
> It can be seen that the simple table has better performance than the Data
> Grid probably because it has no
> bells and whistles.
> Could this be why I am getting a performance hit from the Data Grid?
>
> I hope there is a solution.
>

Terry,

I did a little test using the following script on a data grid table with
10,000 rows.

*on* mouseUp

   *put* the milliseconds into theStartTime

   *put* the dgFormattedHeight of *group* "MyDataGrid" into theHeight



   *put* 0 into theVScroll

   *put* the pageIncrement of scrollbar "dgScrollbar" of *group*
"MyDataGrid" into thePageInc

   *repeat* forever

      *set* the dgVScroll of *group* "MyDataGrid" to theVScroll

      *add* thePageInc to theVScroll

      *if* theVScroll >= theHeight *then* *exit* *repeat*

   *end* *repeat*

   *put* "how long?" && the milliseconds - theStartTime

   *beep*

*end* mouseUp

The script is a quick and dirty auto scroller that increments the vscroll
of the data grid by the page increment setting of the data grid scrollbar.
That is the same amount that the data grid is scrolled when you click on
the non-thumb area of the scrollbar.

If I click at the bottom of the scrollbar and scroll through the whole
list, like in your video, it takes ~29 seconds. The LiveCode engine asks
the data grid to scroll 403 times (that is how many times scrollbarDragged
is sent from the LiveCode engine to the data grid scrollbar).

If I run the above script the data is scrolled through in ~12 seconds. What
(I think) this demonstrates is that the speed of scrolling isn't as much
the data grid as it is the frequency with which the LiveCode engine sends
the scrollbarDragged message.

In order to further confirm that it isn't the data grid holding things up I
checked to see if the data grid was "dropping" any requests to render
itself. If the data grid gets a message to redraw itself while it is in the
middle of redrawing then the request is queued up to be processed later
(further requests while one request is queued will be dropped). I don't see
the data grid queuing up any messages so it doesn't seem to be getting
bogged down.

How long does it take for the script to run if you put the above script in
a button, update the group reference to the name of your data grid and run
it?

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Wed Feb 26 15:02:56 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:02:56 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47E5F2E0-5AAB-4F58-B8DD-050816646303@btinternet.com>

Hi Trevor,

Thanks for the script.

Tried it a few times, average 5420

So, it seems it?s the scrollbarDrag message?

I don?t suppose there?s much that can be done then without RunRev input?

I am on a Mac, I wonder if the update to Cocoa will sort it out?

I am not really sure what is happening when they say upgrading to Cocoa?
Will it mean all Cocoa Native Controls and Cocoa? event system.

All the best

Terry


On 26 Feb 2014, at 19:31, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> 
> The script is a quick and dirty auto scroller that increments the vscroll
> of the data grid by the page increment setting of the data grid scrollbar.
> That is the same amount that the data grid is scrolled when you click on
> the non-thumb area of the scrollbar.
> 
> If I click at the bottom of the scrollbar and scroll through the whole
> list, like in your video, it takes ~29 seconds. The LiveCode engine asks
> the data grid to scroll 403 times (that is how many times scrollbarDragged
> is sent from the LiveCode engine to the data grid scrollbar).
> 
> If I run the above script the data is scrolled through in ~12 seconds. What
> (I think) this demonstrates is that the speed of scrolling isn't as much
> the data grid as it is the frequency with which the LiveCode engine sends
> the scrollbarDragged message.
> 
> In order to further confirm that it isn't the data grid holding things up I
> checked to see if the data grid was "dropping" any requests to render
> itself. If the data grid gets a message to redraw itself while it is in the
> middle of redrawing then the request is queued up to be processed later
> (further requests while one request is queued will be dropped). I don't see
> the data grid queuing up any messages so it doesn't seem to be getting
> bogged down.
> 
> How long does it take for the script to run if you put the above script in
> a button, update the group reference to the name of your data grid and run
> it?
> 




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Feb 26 15:32:31 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:32:31 -0500
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <47E5F2E0-5AAB-4F58-B8DD-050816646303@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E5F2E0-5AAB-4F58-B8DD-050816646303@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8NJLdxeF-9F569npRVQ40mtnu5XBB0usMyxNe4DPuHHA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Terence Heaford
<t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:

>
> Thanks for the script.
>
> Tried it a few times, average 5420
>
> So, it seems it's the scrollbarDrag message?
>
> I don't suppose there's much that can be done then without RunRev input?
>

Try setting the repeatRate to 10. This should speed up the scrolling
considerably when holding down the mouse button.


> I am not really sure what is happening when they say upgrading to Cocoa?
>
Will it mean all Cocoa Native Controls and Cocoa' event system.
>

I've been using the Cocoa build on github. The windows are now Cocoa and
behave like other Cocoa windows. I believe all of the Cocoa APIs are being
used and Cocoa events are being processed. But that doesn't mean you have
Cocoa fields, etc. LiveCode still uses the LiveCode controls.

The only control that will be different is revBrowser. It is now a native
control embedded within a card (rather than sitting on top of other
controls) and behaves really nicely.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Wed Feb 26 15:45:04 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:45:04 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8NJLdxeF-9F569npRVQ40mtnu5XBB0usMyxNe4DPuHHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E5F2E0-5AAB-4F58-B8DD-050816646303@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8NJLdxeF-9F569npRVQ40mtnu5XBB0usMyxNe4DPuHHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <694FDF6A-785F-4239-A633-AD32DF0D0D86@btinternet.com>

Tried it, no difference.

set the repeatRate to 10

in the openCard handler with no effect

changed it to 0 with no effect.

Is there a particular place to use this?

All the best

Terry

On 26 Feb 2014, at 20:32, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> Try setting the repeatRate to 10. This should speed up the scrolling
> considerably when holding down the mouse button.



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Feb 26 16:02:42 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:02:42 -0800
Subject: How To Say "This Is Crap" In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPb8C8uFgiaDWx+9NFqZrTsh-z7gc6yaOmWD=c7NQVzwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
	<530DA51B.5050509@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycNrFCfbK80Am97pzNTb-Vt=dqaSbQawPbFws48UyCuF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530DFC9B.4030902@gmail.com>
	<27AD25D2-4FEC-4D4A-9876-45AD607A3A30@mac.com>
	<CADCoycPb8C8uFgiaDWx+9NFqZrTsh-z7gc6yaOmWD=c7NQVzwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHKnB6=B7+w0mfrRQXg3NFdxGw-sTdpdmLJpqJRwp-+80Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> iTunes Radio for me is FULL of ads, AND it sucks.
>

I don't like the idea of a machine picking music for me, but the worst is
the artists getting practically no money for their performances.

The good name and history of radio should not be sullied by the use of the
name 'iTunes Radio' or any of the 'services'.

If one wants to hear real radio with entertaining and musically informed
presenters, listen to the free 'BBC Radio 6' the best radio music stream?.

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 16:16:06 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 23:16:06 +0200
Subject: How To Say "This Is Crap" In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHKnB6=B7+w0mfrRQXg3NFdxGw-sTdpdmLJpqJRwp-+80Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>	<530DA51B.5050509@gmail.com>	<CADCoycNrFCfbK80Am97pzNTb-Vt=dqaSbQawPbFws48UyCuF6Q@mail.gmail.com>	<530DFC9B.4030902@gmail.com>	<27AD25D2-4FEC-4D4A-9876-45AD607A3A30@mac.com>	<CADCoycPb8C8uFgiaDWx+9NFqZrTsh-z7gc6yaOmWD=c7NQVzwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHKnB6=B7+w0mfrRQXg3NFdxGw-sTdpdmLJpqJRwp-+80Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530E5996.8030003@gmail.com>

On 26/02/14 23:02, stephen barncard wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
>> iTunes Radio for me is FULL of ads, AND it sucks.
>>
> I don't like the idea of a machine picking music for me, but the worst is
> the artists getting practically no money for their performances.
>
> The good name and history of radio should not be sullied by the use of the
> name 'iTunes Radio' or any of the 'services'.
>
> If one wants to hear real radio with entertaining and musically informed
> presenters, listen to the free 'BBC Radio 6' the best radio music stream?.

Now that's worth knowing!

I listen here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0079g5m

every Sunday: gets my feet tapping.

Richmond.

>
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Feb 26 16:18:26 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:18:26 -0500
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <694FDF6A-785F-4239-A633-AD32DF0D0D86@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E5F2E0-5AAB-4F58-B8DD-050816646303@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8NJLdxeF-9F569npRVQ40mtnu5XBB0usMyxNe4DPuHHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<694FDF6A-785F-4239-A633-AD32DF0D0D86@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG86W_3mJhz33xy4PGKAzYP8Oz0s__t5fzw9-PXm1LcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Terence Heaford
<t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:

> Tried it, no difference.
>
> set the repeatRate to 10
>
> in the openCard handler with no effect
>
> changed it to 0 with no effect.
>
> Is there a particular place to use this?
>

It is a global property. I just set it via the message box. It defaults to
50. I set it to 10 in my test. When holding the mouse down the amount of
time it took to scroll the entire data grid went from 28 seconds to 17
seconds in Livecode 6.5.2.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Feb 26 16:47:33 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:47:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: scaleFactor in LiveCode 6.6 (dp1)
In-Reply-To: <530E36E2.6050209@fourthworld.com>
References: <1393431539585-4676455.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CF336BD1.3BC12%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<530E36E2.6050209@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1393451253511-4676491.post@n4.nabble.com>

Yes the potential for scaleFactor is big! But for me the first priority is
being able to control stack positioning, when we get that working smoothly
I'll be a very happy man.

If we can later on 'zoom' in and out of different areas in a stack that
would be some splendid icing on the cake.



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/scaleFactor-in-LiveCode-6-6-dp1-tp4676455p4676491.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Wed Feb 26 17:05:07 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:05:07 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG86W_3mJhz33xy4PGKAzYP8Oz0s__t5fzw9-PXm1LcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E5F2E0-5AAB-4F58-B8DD-050816646303@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8NJLdxeF-9F569npRVQ40mtnu5XBB0usMyxNe4DPuHHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<694FDF6A-785F-4239-A633-AD32DF0D0D86@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG86W_3mJhz33xy4PGKAzYP8Oz0s__t5fzw9-PXm1LcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60712794-8FD4-4CD9-983A-2B787BF3C5E4@btinternet.com>

repeatRate is clearly working because if i raise it significantly everything slows to a crawl but honestly
I can't notice much difference between 50 and 10 or 0  with my 1700 records.

Perhaps it?s time to give this one up and put up with it, unless you have any other ideas.

Thanks

Terry



On 26 Feb 2014, at 21:18, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Terence Heaford
> <t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:
> 
>> Tried it, no difference.
>> 
>> set the repeatRate to 10
>> 
>> in the openCard handler with no effect
>> 
>> changed it to 0 with no effect.
>> 
>> Is there a particular place to use this?
>> 
> 
> It is a global property. I just set it via the message box. It defaults to
> 50. I set it to 10 in my test. When holding the mouse down the amount of
> time it took to scroll the entire data grid went from 28 seconds to 17
> seconds in Livecode 6.5.2.
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Feb 26 17:50:18 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:50:18 +0000
Subject: Editing the style(s) of text in a field.
Message-ID: <530E6FAA.40006@tweedly.net>

I'm writing some scripts to allow me to edit the style of text in a 
field, and looking for advice / suggestions on what the script *should* do.

(I might be back later to ask *how* can I do ... those things I should 
do :-)

If I select a chunk of the field, and click on the "Bold" button then

I assume that

  - if the chunk is currently 'bold' then it should become 'plain'
        (or more precisely, the textStyle["bold"] of the chunk should 
change from true to false)
  - if the chunk is currently 'plain' then it should become 'bold'
              (or more precisely, the textStyle["bold"] of the chunk 
should change from false to true)

But the question is
   - if the chunk is currently 'mixed', then which of the following 
should happen ?

1. n/a. The button should be disabled in that context

2. no change. Acton didn't make sense.

3. the chunk should become 'bold'   (for compatability with Open Office 
amongst others)

4. each char of the chunk should 'flip' boldness (i.e. equivalent to 
selecting each sub-chunk in turn, and then clicking the bold button)

5, something else.

And a similar question - if the button clicked is the "make the text 
bigger" button, and the text is currently mixed sizes, then should it

0. There shouldn't be a "bigger" button, there should only be fixed size 
settings (see, for example, OO)

1. n/a the "bigger" button should be disabled in that context

2. no change. Acton didn't make sense.

3. the chunk should become 'bigger' than the first character of the chunk
3a. the chunk should become bigger than the average character  (and is 
that average == "mean" or "mode" or ...)

4. each char of the chunk should increase in size (i.e. equivalent to 
selecting each sub-chunk in turn, and then clicking the 'bigger' button)

5, something else.

Thanks for any suggestions
-- Alex.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 26 18:31:15 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:31:15 -0600
Subject: Editing the style(s) of text in a field.
In-Reply-To: <530E6FAA.40006@tweedly.net>
References: <530E6FAA.40006@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <530E7943.9000904@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/26/14, 4:50 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> But the question is
>    - if the chunk is currently 'mixed', then which of the following
> should happen ?

I've seen different ways to do that. What comes to mind is the way 
Thunderbird marks/unmarks a group of selected messages if they have 
mixed status. It flips the first one, and then makes all the others 
match that.

I guess that qualifies as "other" in your list. I'm not sure it's the 
best behavior, but it makes its own kind of sense.

>
> And a similar question - if the button clicked is the "make the text
> bigger" button, and the text is currently mixed sizes, then should it

I'd pick #4:

> 4. each char of the chunk should increase in size (i.e. equivalent to
> selecting each sub-chunk in turn, and then clicking the 'bigger' button)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Feb 26 18:52:23 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:52:23 -0800
Subject: Editing the style(s) of text in a field.
In-Reply-To: <530E6FAA.40006@tweedly.net>
References: <530E6FAA.40006@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOtusNion5GCOSgGdxoZ6okTBaO-tbxTWGBDWE-pbPj+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alex,
On the un-mixed example, I wonder whether you should set the textstyle to
"plain" or empty?

For the mixed examples, I'd say 4 in both cases but the problem is that
won't always be what users want or expect.  If it's just for your own use,
that's not a problem.  If it's a utility for other users, you might
consider a prefs setting or maybe a warning about what will happen with an
option to cancel.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> I'm writing some scripts to allow me to edit the style of text in a field,
> and looking for advice / suggestions on what the script *should* do.
>
> (I might be back later to ask *how* can I do ... those things I should do
> :-)
>
> If I select a chunk of the field, and click on the "Bold" button then
>
> I assume that
>
>  - if the chunk is currently 'bold' then it should become 'plain'
>        (or more precisely, the textStyle["bold"] of the chunk should
> change from true to false)
>  - if the chunk is currently 'plain' then it should become 'bold'
>              (or more precisely, the textStyle["bold"] of the chunk should
> change from false to true)
>
> But the question is
>   - if the chunk is currently 'mixed', then which of the following should
> happen ?
>
> 1. n/a. The button should be disabled in that context
>
> 2. no change. Acton didn't make sense.
>
> 3. the chunk should become 'bold'   (for compatability with Open Office
> amongst others)
>
> 4. each char of the chunk should 'flip' boldness (i.e. equivalent to
> selecting each sub-chunk in turn, and then clicking the bold button)
>
> 5, something else.
>
> And a similar question - if the button clicked is the "make the text
> bigger" button, and the text is currently mixed sizes, then should it
>
> 0. There shouldn't be a "bigger" button, there should only be fixed size
> settings (see, for example, OO)
>
> 1. n/a the "bigger" button should be disabled in that context
>
> 2. no change. Acton didn't make sense.
>
> 3. the chunk should become 'bigger' than the first character of the chunk
> 3a. the chunk should become bigger than the average character  (and is
> that average == "mean" or "mode" or ...)
>
> 4. each char of the chunk should increase in size (i.e. equivalent to
> selecting each sub-chunk in turn, and then clicking the 'bigger' button)
>
> 5, something else.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions
> -- Alex.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Feb 26 18:58:14 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:58:14 -0800
Subject: Grouping controls within a group
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eP4K6f6JGJFHEWKEwc5+Yyp1mLfdEx7nJXhxV7m1pRDMw@mail.gmail.com>

I have a need to group controls within an existing group into a subgroup by
script, but I get a runtime error when trying to do that - in 6.5.2 the
message is "Object cannot be grouped".

Any ideas on how to do that?  The only way I can think of is to ungroup the
main group, group the selected controls to form the subgroup, then group
the subgroup and the rest of the controls to reinstate the main group, but
that's pretty scary!


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Feb 26 19:37:25 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 00:37:25 +0000
Subject: Editing the style(s) of text in a field.
In-Reply-To: <530E7943.9000904@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <530E6FAA.40006@tweedly.net> <530E7943.9000904@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <530E88C5.7080102@tweedly.net>

On 26/02/2014 23:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 2/26/14, 4:50 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> But the question is
>>    - if the chunk is currently 'mixed', then which of the following
>> should happen ?
>
> I've seen different ways to do that. What comes to mind is the way 
> Thunderbird marks/unmarks a group of selected messages if they have 
> mixed status. It flips the first one, and then makes all the others 
> match that.
>
> I guess that qualifies as "other" in your list. I'm not sure it's the 
> best behavior, but it makes its own kind of sense.
>
That should have been option 3a :-)   Thanks.

>>
>> And a similar question - if the button clicked is the "make the text
>> bigger" button, and the text is currently mixed sizes, then should it
>
> I'd pick #4:
>
>> 4. each char of the chunk should increase in size (i.e. equivalent to
>> selecting each sub-chunk in turn, and then clicking the 'bigger' button)
>
Secretly, that's what I think it should do - but I was hoping someone 
would come up with a rationale for one of the others.

I guess the code will just have to iterate through the chars and change 
them.
    (oops no, just tried that and it's too slow. I guess the code will 
need to scan through the chars and change each sub-chunk)

Thanks
-- Alex.



From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Feb 26 19:40:08 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 00:40:08 +0000
Subject: Editing the style(s) of text in a field.
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOtusNion5GCOSgGdxoZ6okTBaO-tbxTWGBDWE-pbPj+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <530E6FAA.40006@tweedly.net>
	<CAGDT7eOtusNion5GCOSgGdxoZ6okTBaO-tbxTWGBDWE-pbPj+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530E8968.6030909@tweedly.net>

On 26/02/2014 23:52, Peter Haworth wrote:
> Hi Alex,
> On the un-mixed example, I wonder whether you should set the textstyle to
> "plain" or empty?
Neither  I'm going to set the textStyle["bold"] to either true or false, 
and hence sidestep the empty vs plain question completely.
>
> For the mixed examples, I'd say 4 in both cases but the problem is that
> won't always be what users want or expect.  If it's just for your own use,
> that's not a problem.  If it's a utility for other users, you might
> consider a prefs setting or maybe a warning about what will happen with an
> option to cancel.
Yes, you're right. Even if it's only for my own use, I will, sooner or 
later, have a case where I find myself wanting to do different variants 
at different times, so I should just ite the bullet and make it a pref 
setting from day one.

Thanks
-- Alex.



From mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com  Wed Feb 26 20:08:48 2014
From: mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com (Mats Wilstrand)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:08:48 +0100
Subject: Grouping controls within a group
Message-ID: <02e401cf3358$784cee40$68e6cac0$@tapirsoft.com>

Hi Pete

In 6 + versions, I use the "relayer" command as it gives full control and
works really well.

on mouseUp
   new grp
   relayer last grp to back of grp "G"
   relayer btn "A" to back of last grp
   relayer btn "B" to back of last grp
end mouseUp

If you do not want to use "relayer" you can do this instead:

on mouseUp
   select empty
   set the selected of btn "A"  to true
   set the selected of btn "B"  to true
   group
end mouseUp

Best
Mats




From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Feb 26 21:01:38 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:01:38 -0800
Subject: Grouping controls within a group
In-Reply-To: <02e401cf3358$784cee40$68e6cac0$@tapirsoft.com>
References: <02e401cf3358$784cee40$68e6cac0$@tapirsoft.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eM+n2OBwx=Uo5sLoN1gVY+c9uVRQ9Yr2a=7P2=F+mwbOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mats,
That works great, thanks.  I was using a group command with a list of the
selected objects before and that's what threw an error (that was for pre
v6).

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Mats Wilstrand <
mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com> wrote:

> Hi Pete
>
> In 6 + versions, I use the "relayer" command as it gives full control and
> works really well.
>
> on mouseUp
>    new grp
>    relayer last grp to back of grp "G"
>    relayer btn "A" to back of last grp
>    relayer btn "B" to back of last grp
> end mouseUp
>
> If you do not want to use "relayer" you can do this instead:
>
> on mouseUp
>    select empty
>    set the selected of btn "A"  to true
>    set the selected of btn "B"  to true
>    group
> end mouseUp
>
> Best
> Mats
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 21:06:09 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:06:09 +0000
Subject: Near Text Search
Message-ID: <E5806EE9-7DF9-4748-8287-335174567162@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all.

I?m trying to devise a way to implement a ?near text search? when querying a mySQL database. My problem is, I get spreadsheet forms filled out by hand from our dispatcher, and he sometimes makes typos, just small ones, and I need to ensure there are no virtual duplicate customer records in my application. So I need to query the database in sic a way that I come up with the nearest neighbor. I could do this easily in Foxpro, because they provide an argument for it, but I?ve searched around and no one seems to be able to produce a nearest neighbor search for text! You can do it for numbers, just not text. 

So now I?m trying to devise a way to convert a string to a number in such a way that the likelihood there could be a match would be extremely unlikely. So far I?ve come up with this:

function textToNum theString
  put lower(theString)
   put 1 into theSeed
   repeat for each char theAscii in theString
      put charToNum(theAscii) into theAsciiCode
      add (theAsciiCode*theSeed) to theNum
      add 1 to theSeed
   end repeat
   return theNum
end textToNum

The idea is that each character position would be multiplied by a seed value representing it?s position in the string. However I can foresee that it would be statistically possible to get pretty close and even get a match for two completely different strings. I *could* use a seed value equal to the number of lower case printable characters in the lower ascii table, but that could produce HUGE numbers and I am afraid of overflows. 

Any thoughts?

Bob


From dunbarx at aol.com  Wed Feb 26 21:14:09 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:14:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <E5806EE9-7DF9-4748-8287-335174567162@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E5806EE9-7DF9-4748-8287-335174567162@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <8D10178BB7F15A4-2A7C-6E21@webmail-m244.sysops.aol.com>

Hi


If I get what you want, why not just append the ASCII values to create a much longer number?:


on mouseup
   answer textToNum("abcdefgh")
end mouseup


function textToNum theString
  put lower(theString)
   repeat for each char theAscii in theString
      put charToNum(theAscii) after theAsciiCode
   end repeat
   return theAsciiCode
end textToNum


I have made several Scrabble utilities, and for most, I first alphabetize the chars in each word, and then do exactly what the above function does.


Craig




-
From: Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 9:06 pm
Subject: Near Text Search


Hi all.

I?m trying to devise a way to implement a ?near text search? when querying a 
mySQL database. My problem is, I get spreadsheet forms filled out by hand from 
our dispatcher, and he sometimes makes typos, just small ones, and I need to 
ensure there are no virtual duplicate customer records in my application. So I 
need to query the database in sic a way that I come up with the nearest 
neighbor. I could do this easily in Foxpro, because they provide an argument for 
it, but I?ve searched around and no one seems to be able to produce a nearest 
neighbor search for text! You can do it for numbers, just not text. 

So now I?m trying to devise a way to convert a string to a number in such a way 
that the likelihood there could be a match would be extremely unlikely. So far 
I?ve come up with this:

function textToNum theString
  put lower(theString)
   put 1 into theSeed
   repeat for each char theAscii in theString
      put charToNum(theAscii) into theAsciiCode
      add (theAsciiCode*theSeed) to theNum
      add 1 to theSeed
   end repeat
   return theNum
end textToNum

The idea is that each character position would be multiplied by a seed value 
representing it?s position in the string. However I can foresee that it would be 
statistically possible to get pretty close and even get a match for two 
completely different strings. I *could* use a seed value equal to the number of 
lower case printable characters in the lower ascii table, but that could produce 
HUGE numbers and I am afraid of overflows. 

Any thoughts?

Bob
_______________________________________________
use-livecode mailing list
use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription 
preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

 


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 21:28:00 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:28:00 +0000
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <530E2D0D.3090609@gmail.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com> <530E2D0D.3090609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B30B3528-5F89-4832-A513-D5BEE0D3AED6@iotecdigital.com>

People do not change easily. They will stick to what they know. If they *have* to get a new PC, and they were running XP, they will almost certainly buy another Windows product. I know this because I have spent my life trying to get users to just look at something new, try some new way of doing things. 

Ever try to get someone who uses spaces and carriage returns and multiple tabs to align their document to start using space before paragraph, margin and tab stop settings in Word? They. Will. Not. Change. No not ever, no never ever, no. Oh, they will thank you for showing them something new, and will promise to look into it later ?when they have time?. But. They. Will. Not. Change. And we hope to get them to (in their minds) learn how to use a computer ALL OVER AGAIN? Not gonna happen with most people. 

Perhaps in schools you can gain some inroads, but then again that is a HUGE decision for a school administrator to take, because his main goal is to prepare the kids for the future, and until he sees real strong trends that the world is migrating to *nix, he would be remiss in replacing his lab computers with *nix ones. 

Surveys are all good in as far as they go, but I have to ask what the surveyors used as a sample group. It sure as heck didn?t include anyone from the place I used to work let me tell you! I?m have a really, really hard time swallowing 11%. 

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:06 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 26/02/14 19:31, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> <prune>
>> 11 Percent of Windows XP Users Will Switch to Linux, Survey Claims
>> <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/02/windows-xp-users-may-switch-linux>
>> 
>> This article notes that as of October there were about 500 million PCs running XP:
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/01/six_months_end_xp_support/>
>> 
>> So if the survey methodology pans out, that'll mean roughly 55 million new Linux installs.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Richard Gaskin
> 
> <prune>
> 
> I hope you are right!
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 21:30:32 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:30:32 +0000
Subject: Support for Windows XP - Found word(s) check out in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <f9852c23-3a37-4d4c-a59c-77037ce15344@lists.runrev.com>
References: <CADd0_TzvxMQ0GAdDjDbJF-5HGcJEHFrm3TJ614gTVs7fZh5N9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED4EAFC5-0BAC-4353-AC1A-BC2EAA443A50@sweattechnologies.com><CAD3H57aSuAZHRxqtxKN3_K60rgtKncVY44FfdfF0frcjrs0hfQ@mail.gmail.com><530DE670.5030006@gmail.com>
	<f9852c23-3a37-4d4c-a59c-77037ce15344@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D4E2595D-27A4-4903-9821-444FC79DC03E@iotecdigital.com>

The elephant in the room here is that there isn?t a world of nasty people waiting to release exploits of 10.5 into the wild the moment Apple drops support for it. There IS however, for Windows XP. 

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 08:46 , Lynn Fredricks <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:

>> Dropping support for Windows XP would be fairly foolish 
>> (while dropping support for 10.5 and lower will just elicit a 
>> tired sigh);
> 
> I think it's a really bad idea to embed something as important as this is a
> thread about 10.5.
> 
> Check out this Computeworld article:
> 
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9245966/Users_postpone_ditch_XP_decis
> ion_as_Windows_8_runs_to_stay_in_place
> 
> This shows that XP accounted for 29.2% of desktop and notebook PCs as
> recently as last month. That's almost 5 x the number of all machines running
> Mac OS.
> 
> As Richmond suggests, yes, there are a lot of XP desktops in countries where
> new software purchases tend to be low. But also, there are many, many
> households and SMBs that run what they have, for as long as they can - they
> view the PC as a tool to get tasks done.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Lynn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 21:39:29 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:39:29 +0000
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist - Found
	word(s) mp3 in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <771fe36c-b991-4235-950f-b624406cf01b@lists.runrev.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com><618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com><0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com><16FADECC-FB9A-4258-A81A-1841A0BD4A04@m-r-d.de>
	<771fe36c-b991-4235-950f-b624406cf01b@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8D511A8B-9733-4EC9-9DA8-72A81D669193@iotecdigital.com>

Yes I think I will make it available to the list users here, but be forewarned it makes extensive use of sqlYoga. In fact it requires it. If there is some particular aspect of the forms generator you are interested in, such as the actual filling of the forms, maybe I can throw something together for that. The database stuff pretty much anyone could do themselves. 

I am currently rewriting the Excel Spreadsheet import functionality and the Forms Filling feature because I just got ahold of Zryp?s Excel Library and I want to be able to grab spreadsheets from a folder and process them without user intervention. Currently I have the user copy the spreadsheet and them parse the clipboard. I also found someone who had put together a Filemaker to PDF system, and I have been able to isolate what he is doing on the PDF side of things and morph it into what I am doing. 

Unfortunately this is not what I do for a living so it will take some time to do it. Give it a couple weeks or so. 

Bob
On Feb 25, 2014, at 07:07 , Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Bob,
> Sounds like your forms generator could be very useful to me, too. Any plans to share, make public, or .....?
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob,
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 25.02.2014 um 02:17 schrieb Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>:
>>> 
>>> I recently created and am using my Forms Generator app, which fills out PDF forms I use everyday with data from a Sequel database. It?s a HUGE tool for me, and I am adding on to it regularly new features that make it even more useful. I have a button I click that opens a Google Map using their API so that it shows up on my iPhone when I need to navigate to the site! I am finishing up a feature which will take the Excel forms I am getting from the dispatcher and parsing the data in them to populate the database with. All I have to do is drop the spreadsheets into a designated folder and click a button, and next thing I know all the customer, site, copier and accessory data has populated my Sequel database.
>> would you mind to show some pictures of your forms generator and give some information how you create and fill such forms?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Matthias Rebbe
>> Bramkampsieke 13
>> 32312 L?bbecke
>> Tel    +49 5741 310000
>>       +49 160 5504462
>> Fax: +49 5741 310002
>> eMail: matthias at m-r-d.de
>> 
>> BR5 Konverter - BR5 -> MP3
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 21:41:47 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:41:47 +0000
Subject: Fairly offensive message - Domain does not exist
In-Reply-To: <530CCB8A.40500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <530B12A5.9030600@gmail.com>
	<618b905b-5529-475d-a17d-67aee658092a@lists.runrev.com>
	<0B0EDA32-902A-4A6B-B89D-FF345B6E5EB8@iotecdigital.com>
	<530C4BCD.5010900@gmail.com> <530CCB8A.40500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <44671998-94E9-4790-B356-932C6DA2E730@iotecdigital.com>

Sorry all. I though we were dealing with someone who just hopped on the forums and then slammed Livecode for not being good enough to do any real programming. I see that is not the case. My humblest apologies to the gentleman. 

Bob


On Feb 25, 2014, at 08:57 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 2/25/14, 1:52 AM, Richmond wrote:
> 
>> Of course if you really wan to rub his face in the above you should post
>> it on the thread in the Forums.
> 
> I know you were probably speaking metaphorically, but we shouldn't be rubbing anything in anyone's face, unless you want us to appear petty and unwelcoming. Also, this list is archived in at least two places and if someone wanted to, they could easily see how the community responds to any type of criticism.
> 
> But I would encourage posts that show objectively why LiveCode is the better solution. There is plenty of evidence for that without value judgements.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Feb 26 21:50:59 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 18:50:59 -0800
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <E5806EE9-7DF9-4748-8287-335174567162@iotecdigital.com>
References: <E5806EE9-7DF9-4748-8287-335174567162@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO+XhJHGNumZxScZkdiMdpSj0+tDPK6zUaM05vPVQr0ZA@mail.gmail.com>

Does mySQL have a Soundex function?

If I remember correctly, Devin has some functions that implement a
Levenstein Distance algorithm which will identify potential misspellings of
a word

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I'm trying to devise a way to implement a "near text search" when querying
> a mySQL database. My problem is, I get spreadsheet forms filled out by hand
> from our dispatcher, and he sometimes makes typos, just small ones, and I
> need to ensure there are no virtual duplicate customer records in my
> application. So I need to query the database in sic a way that I come up
> with the nearest neighbor. I could do this easily in Foxpro, because they
> provide an argument for it, but I've searched around and no one seems to be
> able to produce a nearest neighbor search for text! You can do it for
> numbers, just not text.
>
> So now I'm trying to devise a way to convert a string to a number in such
> a way that the likelihood there could be a match would be extremely
> unlikely. So far I've come up with this:
>
> function textToNum theString
>   put lower(theString)
>    put 1 into theSeed
>    repeat for each char theAscii in theString
>       put charToNum(theAscii) into theAsciiCode
>       add (theAsciiCode*theSeed) to theNum
>       add 1 to theSeed
>    end repeat
>    return theNum
> end textToNum
>
> The idea is that each character position would be multiplied by a seed
> value representing it's position in the string. However I can foresee that
> it would be statistically possible to get pretty close and even get a match
> for two completely different strings. I *could* use a seed value equal to
> the number of lower case printable characters in the lower ascii table, but
> that could produce HUGE numbers and I am afraid of overflows.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Bob
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 21:58:12 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 02:58:12 +0000
Subject: =?Windows-1252?Q?Re:_How_To_Say_=93This_Is_Crap=94_In=09Different_Culture?=
	=?Windows-1252?Q?s?=
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <F3882FE6-5DE3-434A-8A28-D40D02CFA16C@iotecdigital.com>

Reminds me a lot of a trip I took with my Dad and Stepmom around the big island of Hawaii. I would hear her say something that barely registered with me, but my Dad seemed to immediately act upon it. After watching this interaction for a bit, I realized she was speaking in a kind of code, and he was interpreting it, and doing a damd good job of it too, although she would probably have disagreed about that. 

I brought it up to him later, and he confirmed that this was exactly what was going on. He had learned to do this over the years he had been with her. She would make vague references to things, and it was his responsibility to interpret correctly that she wanted him to do or say something very specific. And he?d better get it right too, or there would be words later, and the words would be more code he had to interpret correctly, or else things would just go downhill from there. 

I expressed that this was really difficult for me as it left so much room for misunderstandings, and the stress of always having to be on my guard about those little subtleties would be too much for me to deal with on a daily basis. He told me that I had better never marry then. I?ve taken his advice. :-)

Bob


On Feb 25, 2014, at 14:13 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Some cross-cultural issues:
> 
> <http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/02/how-to-say-this-is-crap-in-different-cultures/>
> 
> -- 
> Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 22:06:39 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 03:06:39 +0000
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530E1DB3.9040903@fourthworld.com>
References: <004f01cf3310$57405180$05c0f480$@de>
	<530E1DB3.9040903@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CB7C6096-DE8E-4E59-A81C-DBDAFD2D25DB@iotecdigital.com>

I compared a PC laptop once with the same hardware, memory, hard drive and quality of display, including the graphics chip, and the price difference was within $200 for Apple?s top of the line Macbook Pro. The difference is, as you touched on, that Apple does not make lower end products that can price compete with PC manufacturers. Not to say that there isn?t a huge market for entry level PC?s and laptops, of course there is. It?s just that when comparing apples to oranges, we should probably choose fruit from the same level of orchards.

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 09:00 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

I'm sorry to hear that.  Apple makes good computers, but their costs average about twice that of PCs.  Good components and all that so I'm not making a judgment about price, but it seems a reasonable expectation that the company would support their products with at least critical security updates for longer than 7 years.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 26 22:05:08 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:05:08 -0800
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5428186339.20140226190508@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 9:31:05 AM, you wrote:

> I promise this will be my last Linux fanboy post this week,

I had a choice at work between a Thinkpad to run linux and a Mac air,
and I opted for the mac (I'll need both platforms), figuring that it
would be easiest to run linux in a vm on an osx native base. Not a
week goes by that I don't regret that decision: things are *so* much
easier in linux than osx. A lot of the standard linux tools aren't
there when I open a terminal window. I have to learn osx-equivalent
commands instead, and then mentally switch back and forth. I really
miss having apt-get. I lost two hours this afternoon installing the
capybara-webkit ruby gem, partly because Apple decided to move the
location of XCode...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 26 22:08:22 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 21:08:22 -0600
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <B30B3528-5F89-4832-A513-D5BEE0D3AED6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<530E2D0D.3090609@gmail.com>
	<B30B3528-5F89-4832-A513-D5BEE0D3AED6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <530EAC26.3040002@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/26/14, 8:28 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> Ever try to get someone who uses spaces and carriage returns and
> multiple tabs to align their document to start using space before
> paragraph, margin and tab stop settings in Word? They. Will. Not.
> Change. No not ever, no never ever, no.

I knew a guy like that. His office put him in charge of teaching Word to 
the rest of the staff. I tried to talk to him about paragraph attributes 
but he didn't see the point because his way worked. So, that's what he 
taught everyone else.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Feb 26 22:08:00 2014
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:08:00 -0800
Subject: How To Say "This Is Crap" In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHKnB6=B7+w0mfrRQXg3NFdxGw-sTdpdmLJpqJRwp-+80Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
	<530DA51B.5050509@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycNrFCfbK80Am97pzNTb-Vt=dqaSbQawPbFws48UyCuF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530DFC9B.4030902@gmail.com>
	<27AD25D2-4FEC-4D4A-9876-45AD607A3A30@mac.com>
	<CADCoycPb8C8uFgiaDWx+9NFqZrTsh-z7gc6yaOmWD=c7NQVzwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHKnB6=B7+w0mfrRQXg3NFdxGw-sTdpdmLJpqJRwp-+80Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67428358947.20140226190800@ahsoftware.net>

Stephen-

Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 1:02:42 PM, you wrote:

> If one wants to hear real radio with entertaining and musically informed
> presenters, listen to the free 'BBC Radio 6' the best radio music stream
.

Seem like a good time to recommend fip internet radio:
http://www.fipradio.fr/player

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 ahsoftware at gmail.com

This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
this communication in error, please delete it immediately.




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 22:17:51 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 03:17:51 +0000
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO+XhJHGNumZxScZkdiMdpSj0+tDPK6zUaM05vPVQr0ZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E5806EE9-7DF9-4748-8287-335174567162@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAGDT7eO+XhJHGNumZxScZkdiMdpSj0+tDPK6zUaM05vPVQr0ZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6F41E1E-A0AD-4CBA-9652-1AECBD14E04C@iotecdigital.com>

Don?t know how I missed that, thanks. 

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 18:50 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Does mySQL have a Soundex function?
> 
> If I remember correctly, Devin has some functions that implement a
> Levenstein Distance algorithm which will identify potential misspellings of
> a word
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I'm trying to devise a way to implement a "near text search" when querying
>> a mySQL database. My problem is, I get spreadsheet forms filled out by hand
>> from our dispatcher, and he sometimes makes typos, just small ones, and I
>> need to ensure there are no virtual duplicate customer records in my
>> application. So I need to query the database in sic a way that I come up
>> with the nearest neighbor. I could do this easily in Foxpro, because they
>> provide an argument for it, but I've searched around and no one seems to be
>> able to produce a nearest neighbor search for text! You can do it for
>> numbers, just not text.
>> 
>> So now I'm trying to devise a way to convert a string to a number in such
>> a way that the likelihood there could be a match would be extremely
>> unlikely. So far I've come up with this:
>> 
>> function textToNum theString
>>  put lower(theString)
>>   put 1 into theSeed
>>   repeat for each char theAscii in theString
>>      put charToNum(theAscii) into theAsciiCode
>>      add (theAsciiCode*theSeed) to theNum
>>      add 1 to theSeed
>>   end repeat
>>   return theNum
>> end textToNum
>> 
>> The idea is that each character position would be multiplied by a seed
>> value representing it's position in the string. However I can foresee that
>> it would be statistically possible to get pretty close and even get a match
>> for two completely different strings. I *could* use a seed value equal to
>> the number of lower case printable characters in the lower ascii table, but
>> that could produce HUGE numbers and I am afraid of overflows.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Bob
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 22:20:49 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 03:20:49 +0000
Subject: Support for Windows XP - Found word(s) list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <07efba0b-d34e-45bb-997a-a5a69c241c03@lists.runrev.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY><530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<07efba0b-d34e-45bb-997a-a5a69c241c03@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0949875B-F631-408A-B8CF-7A31F7A23E5D@iotecdigital.com>

Well if Apple continues to solder it?s memory onto the motherboard of it?s laptops, and glue it?s batteries to the cases, I may not be far behind you guys in switching to Linux. 

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 19:05 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Richard-
> 
> Wednesday, February 26, 2014, 9:31:05 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> I promise this will be my last Linux fanboy post this week,
> 
> I had a choice at work between a Thinkpad to run linux and a Mac air,
> and I opted for the mac (I'll need both platforms), figuring that it
> would be easiest to run linux in a vm on an osx native base. Not a
> week goes by that I don't regret that decision: things are *so* much
> easier in linux than osx. A lot of the standard linux tools aren't
> there when I open a terminal window. I have to learn osx-equivalent
> commands instead, and then mentally switch back and forth. I really
> miss having apt-get. I lost two hours this afternoon installing the
> capybara-webkit ruby gem, partly because Apple decided to move the
> location of XCode...
> 
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> 
> This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National 
> Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not 
> consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any 
> related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting, 
> disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received 
> this communication in error, please delete it immediately.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Feb 26 22:35:35 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:35:35 -0800
Subject: How To Say "This Is Crap" In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <67428358947.20140226190800@ahsoftware.net>
References: <loom.20140225T231256-795@post.gmane.org>
	<530DA51B.5050509@gmail.com>
	<CADCoycNrFCfbK80Am97pzNTb-Vt=dqaSbQawPbFws48UyCuF6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<530DFC9B.4030902@gmail.com>
	<27AD25D2-4FEC-4D4A-9876-45AD607A3A30@mac.com>
	<CADCoycPb8C8uFgiaDWx+9NFqZrTsh-z7gc6yaOmWD=c7NQVzwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFmQfHKnB6=B7+w0mfrRQXg3NFdxGw-sTdpdmLJpqJRwp-+80Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<67428358947.20140226190800@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHKGCmZameE5ErC3WtQQT0pTeOqCXCd0O_zfg4DqgXVD8g@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Seem like a good time to recommend fip internet radio:
> http://www.fipradio.fr/player
>

Fip was my favorite while in France, and one of the earliest streaming
stations on the net. I was so happy to find it when I returned to the
states in 1999. They are certainly the most eclectic thing on radio -
 Opera to Miles Davis to Huong Thanh to Natasha Atlas to Moby, all in the
same set.  I have made many musical discoveries listening to that station.
Again, no commercials whatsoever, and in French daytime, just short traffic
reports and news, but mostly music.

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Feb 26 22:36:35 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:36:35 -0800
Subject: Support for Windows XP - Found word(s) list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <0949875B-F631-408A-B8CF-7A31F7A23E5D@iotecdigital.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<07efba0b-d34e-45bb-997a-a5a69c241c03@lists.runrev.com>
	<0949875B-F631-408A-B8CF-7A31F7A23E5D@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHLrT3BCYXepRAkMtnU5v-8V-7KhvzUjDMNmGRtCnYbsUg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> Well if Apple continues to solder it?s memory onto the motherboard of it?s
> laptops


Doesn't it have to for the Air? No room for sockets...

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 26 22:38:22 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:38:22 -0800
Subject: Near Text Search
Message-ID: <530EB32E.4090004@fourthworld.com>

I'm still missing it - where can one find Devin's Levenstein function?


Bob Sneidar:
> Don?t know how I missed that, thanks.
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 18:50 , Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>>
>> If I remember correctly, Devin has some functions that implement a
>> Levenstein Distance algorithm which will identify potential misspellings of
>> a word




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Feb 26 22:45:24 2014
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 19:45:24 -0800
Subject: Support for Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <51BA7337788E42BF91714F12A91EC42D@GATEWAY>

> So if the survey methodology pans out, that'll mean roughly 
> 55 million new Linux installs.

Hey Mr Fanboy -

I think once the Steam Machines start rolling out later in 2014, you'll see
a lot of Linux in the living room :-)

There's a little button that lets you exit out to Debian from SteamOS.

Best,

Lynn




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 23:01:51 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 04:01:51 +0000
Subject: Filling PDF Forms
Message-ID: <31D7E867-4B3F-4E13-B688-BFE009D88CF3@iotecdigital.com>

So instead of trying to piece together a demo stack of how I am filling PDF forms, I thought I would just write a (reasonable) short essay on how to. 

First of all, you will need Acrobat Pro, preferably something 9.0 or higher. This is because Acrobat Pro is capable of executing Actions, and my current method depends on this. I do not think Reader can. 

Next open any fillable PDF form (or create one if you like). I like to rename the form fields myself, because I have a mind that if they have the same name as columns in my database table, I will be able to automate this process more fully later. But for now, any field names will do. 

Next, put something? ANYTHING in each field, even a space. This is because Acrobat will not export a field in the FDF data file (which we will discuss later) unless there is something in the field. There IS a way to use Javascript to do this with empty fields, but I don?t want to go there yet. 

Once they are populated, choose Tools/Forms/More Form Options and select Export Data? the default is Acrobat FDF files. Save the FDF file in the same place as the PDF. (You can use a text file too, it may be easier to parse but I like to use these). This will become important later, because Acrobat will use the RELATIVE location of the FDF file when it goes to populate itself. (You can use a text file too, it may be easier to parse but I like to use these). 

Now in Livecode you can open the FDF file as a low level file (it?s a kind of XML style text file) and it will look something like this: (I?ve deleted most of the fields but you will get the idea)

%FDF-1.2
%????
1 0 obj
<</FDF<</F(Color Defaults.pdf)/Fields[<</T(Signature)/V()>><</T(assetid1)/V()>><</T(assetid2)/V()>><</T(assetid3)/V()>><</T(assetid4)/V()>><</T(assetid5)/V()>>]/ID[<D16466192A84EA448A7B1E60C47B1B1F><A2E8445CAEAB454EB39D1697A21C88EB>]/UF(Color Defaults.pdf)>>/Type/Catalog>>
endobj
trailer
<</Root 1 0 R>>
%%EOF

Notice the field definitions start with ?Fields? and a left bracket and end with a right bracket. Everything else is header and footer data, which by the way MUST remain intact, or Acrobat will not use the FDF file. Whatever you put inside the V() parts is what will later populate the PDF file. Now in your PDF File, choose Tools/Pages/Page Thumbnails. On the left you should see thumbnails of your form pages. Right click the first one and select Page Properties. Select the Actions tab, then select Page Open as the trigger, and Import Form Data as the action. You will be prompted for the FDF file you created. Confirm everything then save the PDF form. 

Now, from within Livecode, open that FDF we created earlier as a low level file and parse it out in such a way that you insert the values you want in the form in the proper places. Next time you open the form it will populate with the data you put in the FDF file. If you made any mistakes, Acrobat will fill fields up to the point there is an error, and go no further. Useful for troubleshooting. If you *REALLY* bunged up the FDF file, like the header and footer, it won?t work at all. 

Now in my app I get a little bit fancier. With Livecode I create a folder structure for the copier installs I am going to do, and then make COPIES of the PDF file and the FDF files (not yet filled in) in the proper locations. Because Acrobat uses the file path relative to the location of the PDF, it will find the copy of the FDF file and use that, not the original. 

I then query the database, and populate the copies of the FDF files, and then tell Acrobat to open the PDF's. Currently I use Applescript for this, but I believe there is a way to do this from a command prompt in Windows as well. I suspect any *nix OS has a way to do this. 

It looks really cool when I click the button and multiple forms start to open and fill themselves, but as you can see, it ain?t rocket science what I am doing here. Recently however, I stumbled across a means to have Applescript assemble a Javascript command and then send it to Acrobat. This would allow me to bypass the FDF data file method altogether, and modify the PDF directly. But rocket science THIS IS! There is an advantage to this method though that may make it all worthwhile. Suppose you make edits to form fields in the PDF that were first auto filled by the FDF import. You save and close the PDF, but later decide you need to open it again. Guess what? The FDF data OVERWRITES your edited PDF data! Not cool! 

So my next trick is to implement this new means of populating the PDF?s, but I am unsure how to work this out in Windows. 

Nuff for now, that is as short as I can make it. 

Bob


From jiml at netrin.com  Wed Feb 26 23:04:57 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:04:57 -0800
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7763.1393472729.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7763.1393472729.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <98B11849-B819-4488-AFAE-F0C3829CE4ED@netrin.com>

RichardG wrote:
> 
> I'm still missing it - where can one find Devin's Levenstein function?



Try Rishi's

http://www.rghosh.com/code/levenshtein-distance-livecod/

And yes, that ?livecod' is correct, though a bit fishy.

Jim Lambert

From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 23:08:12 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 04:08:12 +0000
Subject: Support for Windows XP - Found word(s) list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHLrT3BCYXepRAkMtnU5v-8V-7KhvzUjDMNmGRtCnYbsUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<07efba0b-d34e-45bb-997a-a5a69c241c03@lists.runrev.com>
	<0949875B-F631-408A-B8CF-7A31F7A23E5D@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAFmQfHLrT3BCYXepRAkMtnU5v-8V-7KhvzUjDMNmGRtCnYbsUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F374A0D-8A9C-4FC2-ACB0-56B5F42B452C@iotecdigital.com>

I suppose, but then I could call the Air a high end tablet that doesn?t have touch yet. :-) (streeeetching?) But I?m talking about their line of Mackbook Pros. If I?m buying a top of the line Apple, I would very much like for them to NOT glue the battery in place. And soldering the memory onto the motherboard is a complete buzz kill. 

I think I know why they started that though. Ever try buying memory at the Apple store to upgrade the Macbook Pro you wanted to buy? The price was 3 to 4 times what you could get from web stores or even Fry?s. Sure, you could poke the salesperson in the eye and ask about the Price Match Guarantee, and they would grudgingly point you to an iMac and have you show them the price at Crucial. I think someone in corporate said, Screw that! Solder the damn memory on the board and be done with it! Ahhh? Steve Jobs. We miss you. :-)

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 19:36 , stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:
> 
>> Well if Apple continues to solder it?s memory onto the motherboard of it?s
>> laptops
> 
> 
> Doesn't it have to for the Air? No room for sockets...
> 
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 23:12:48 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 04:12:48 +0000
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <530EB32E.4090004@fourthworld.com>
References: <530EB32E.4090004@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6CE0DDCA-D50B-4537-B26B-BEFE7430886C@iotecdigital.com>

I just did a query on soundex for 3 values: Whittier Fun Center, Whitier Fun Center and Wittier Fun Center. All returned the same result. I think what I will do is create a column populated with the soundex of the customer name as a secondary lookup when I don?t get an exact match, then alert the user and ask him if this isn?t really what he wanted. 

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 19:38 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> I'm still missing it - where can one find Devin's Levenstein function?
> 
> 
> Bob Sneidar:
>> Don?t know how I missed that, thanks.
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 18:50 , Peter Haworth wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> If I remember correctly, Devin has some functions that implement a
>>> Levenstein Distance algorithm which will identify potential misspellings of
>>> a word
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 23:16:30 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 04:16:30 +0000
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <98B11849-B819-4488-AFAE-F0C3829CE4ED@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.7763.1393472729.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<98B11849-B819-4488-AFAE-F0C3829CE4ED@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <5DDA10F8-60D3-4526-80A2-C29583E96213@iotecdigital.com>

That is kind of what I was doing, only a little different.I was doing a kind of binary bit significance on each character and totaling the ascii values times the bit significance. Does that mean I?m a genius?? no? that can?t be right?

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 20:04 , Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com> wrote:

> RichardG wrote:
>> 
>> I'm still missing it - where can one find Devin's Levenstein function?
> 
> 
> 
> Try Rishi's
> 
> http://www.rghosh.com/code/levenshtein-distance-livecod/
> 
> And yes, that ?livecod' is correct, though a bit fishy.
> 
> Jim Lambert
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From shawnlivecode at gmail.com  Wed Feb 26 23:40:16 2014
From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:40:16 -0600
Subject: Support for Windows XP - Found word(s) list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <0F374A0D-8A9C-4FC2-ACB0-56B5F42B452C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <3BCF5A91E451427C8E42876C7E9C1B85@GATEWAY>
	<530E24D9.7070505@fourthworld.com>
	<07efba0b-d34e-45bb-997a-a5a69c241c03@lists.runrev.com>
	<0949875B-F631-408A-B8CF-7A31F7A23E5D@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAFmQfHLrT3BCYXepRAkMtnU5v-8V-7KhvzUjDMNmGRtCnYbsUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<0F374A0D-8A9C-4FC2-ACB0-56B5F42B452C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAOc-ndYS8TnjB10se0NuDYGc=FkTKZEVq3Fn_JP6ZxeALQiQWw@mail.gmail.com>

Yup.  I agree.  My Mackbook Pro with retina has 16 GB RAM glued to the
motherboard, as well as the SD card.   Order as you want it, because
nothing can be upgraded!


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Bob Sneidar
<bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> I suppose, but then I could call the Air a high end tablet that doesn't
> have touch yet. :-) (streeeetching...) But I'm talking about their line of
> Mackbook Pros. If I'm buying a top of the line Apple, I would very much
> like for them to NOT glue the battery in place. And soldering the memory
> onto the motherboard is a complete buzz kill.
>
> I think I know why they started that though. Ever try buying memory at the
> Apple store to upgrade the Macbook Pro you wanted to buy? The price was 3
> to 4 times what you could get from web stores or even Fry's. Sure, you
> could poke the salesperson in the eye and ask about the Price Match
> Guarantee, and they would grudgingly point you to an iMac and have you show
> them the price at Crucial. I think someone in corporate said, Screw that!
> Solder the damn memory on the board and be done with it! Ahhh... Steve Jobs.
> We miss you. :-)
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 19:36 , stephen barncard <
> stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Bob Sneidar <
> bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Well if Apple continues to solder it's memory onto the motherboard of
> it's
> >> laptops
> >
> >
> > Doesn't it have to for the Air? No room for sockets...
> >
> > *--*
> > *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 23:43:11 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 04:43:11 +0000
Subject: [OT] some further apologies
Message-ID: <64091020-136D-4A99-87FC-12C06015F83B@iotecdigital.com>

So, I guess I click send before editing too often. I was rather harsh, I see after going back and reading my post. I am a real fan of Livecode, as many here can guess, but I?ve thought through and lived through the difficulties of someone in a corporation trying to sell the virtues of creating custom apps in Livecode. God knows I tried in my last place of employment! 

I put a lot of effort into producing a real bonafide app for them that would have revolutionized how they managed their 5 conference centers. They were doing everything on paper and were constantly getting things wrong because someone somewhere didn?t communicate which someone somewhere else, and some visitor found themselves without a room when they drove up the mountain! 

What I got back was all the reasons it was a bad idea to go with something no one else knew how to work with. ?What happens if you leave? Who can maintain it for us? What if we need you to do more later? Why isn?t everyone else using it if it?s so great?? 

So, I guess I am without even realizing it, a bit skittish when I hear someone who criticizes LC, without, ostensibly giving it a real go. I suppose after boiling down all the objections, the answer to why more people aren?t using it is, because more people aren?t using it, which from a logical perspective is no answer at all, but from a practical perspective, is. It?s the same reason why more people aren?t using Macs. Why more people aren?t using Linux. Why more people aren?t using Applesauce instead of milk on their granola. 

The real reason is that people do not like taking risks. They dislike risk so much that they don?t even go so far as weighing the benefits against the perceived risks, unless they have trained themselves to do so. The real currency of almost anything is time. That is what anyone exploring Livecode for the first time is risking. Who wants to devote yet more time from their constantly attenuating stash of available time to learn something that may not pan out in the end? The kernel of real query in the original post is, show me how this is going to be worth my time. I failed to answer that question, or even see it at first for what it was, the same question I?ve have been trying to answer for others since I first discovered Livecode. 

But regardless of my own frustrations from past efforts to get people to just think about things for a bit, I should not be so rude to anyone, even if I (erroneously) think he?s a drive by critic. So to all whom I?ve offended (yet again) I apologize, and take your corrections of my rude conduct seriously. Thank you all.

Bob


From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Feb 26 23:54:06 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:54:06 -0800
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <6CE0DDCA-D50B-4537-B26B-BEFE7430886C@iotecdigital.com>
References: <530EB32E.4090004@fourthworld.com>
	<6CE0DDCA-D50B-4537-B26B-BEFE7430886C@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMYGW=0LORa40hohuJ0bq2c+CjTDWc-aGnN+vdHX5Y1aw@mail.gmail.com>

You don't need another column.

If you don't get an exact match

SELECT soundex(name)=soundex("Wittier Fun Center")

Not sure of performance implications.

Pete
lcSQL Software
On Feb 26, 2014 8:12 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> I just did a query on soundex for 3 values: Whittier Fun Center, Whitier
> Fun Center and Wittier Fun Center. All returned the same result. I think
> what I will do is create a column populated with the soundex of the
> customer name as a secondary lookup when I don't get an exact match, then
> alert the user and ask him if this isn't really what he wanted.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 19:38 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm still missing it - where can one find Devin's Levenstein function?
> >
> >
> > Bob Sneidar:
> >> Don't know how I missed that, thanks.
> >>
> >> On Feb 26, 2014, at 18:50 , Peter Haworth wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> If I remember correctly, Devin has some functions that implement a
> >>> Levenstein Distance algorithm which will identify potential
> misspellings of
> >>> a word
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 26 23:58:41 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 22:58:41 -0600
Subject: [OT] some further apologies
In-Reply-To: <64091020-136D-4A99-87FC-12C06015F83B@iotecdigital.com>
References: <64091020-136D-4A99-87FC-12C06015F83B@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <530EC601.2090509@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/26/14, 10:43 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> even if I (erroneously) think he?s a drive by critic

Don't beat yourself up too hard. You may have been right.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Feb 26 23:59:06 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 04:59:06 +0000
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMYGW=0LORa40hohuJ0bq2c+CjTDWc-aGnN+vdHX5Y1aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <530EB32E.4090004@fourthworld.com>
	<6CE0DDCA-D50B-4537-B26B-BEFE7430886C@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAGDT7eMYGW=0LORa40hohuJ0bq2c+CjTDWc-aGnN+vdHX5Y1aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50BF9061-320D-44CF-B3AE-FC179A66937B@iotecdigital.com>

Oh right! Duh?

On Feb 26, 2014, at 20:54 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> You don't need another column.
> 
> If you don't get an exact match
> 
> SELECT soundex(name)=soundex("Wittier Fun Center")
> 
> Not sure of performance implications.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software
> On Feb 26, 2014 8:12 PM, "Bob Sneidar" <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
>> I just did a query on soundex for 3 values: Whittier Fun Center, Whitier
>> Fun Center and Wittier Fun Center. All returned the same result. I think
>> what I will do is create a column populated with the soundex of the
>> customer name as a secondary lookup when I don't get an exact match, then
>> alert the user and ask him if this isn't really what he wanted.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 19:38 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm still missing it - where can one find Devin's Levenstein function?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob Sneidar:
>>>> Don't know how I missed that, thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 18:50 , Peter Haworth wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I remember correctly, Devin has some functions that implement a
>>>>> Levenstein Distance algorithm which will identify potential
>> misspellings of
>>>>> a word
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From th.douez at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 00:50:38 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 06:50:38 +0100
Subject: Finding available memory without shell, how to use hasMemory()
In-Reply-To: <CADJRyz0ZF-GhDEZjEourWeh8sEzL-zjwkTbjwk2QctJSQ=A3kw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADJRyz165m1URWedKEwDusCSyAwze7HiwvnkeTgFQGp4O5Xc+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<114165672104.20140223180949@ahsoftware.net>
	<CADJRyz0ZF-GhDEZjEourWeh8sEzL-zjwkTbjwk2QctJSQ=A3kw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO7MvUx8oFO3sTsgD6G4EdwpTfiRCfeV2rJRO5Qu4hca1A@mail.gmail.com>

Gabriel,

>> > I am working on a program where I need to know the amount of
>> > available memory.


You can shell this:

    sysctl  - a | grep mem

or

   sysctl hw.usermem

or

  ....


HTH,

Thierry



------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf



From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Thu Feb 27 03:59:06 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:59:06 -0000
Subject: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures
Message-ID: <003401cf339a$2b6170a0$822451e0$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Whilst working in the garden I called to my wife "What time is it?" to which
she yelled... "Lunch will be ready when I'm ready!"

Marriage, huh?

:-)

Hugh Senior
FLCo


> -----Original Message-----> From: Bob Sneidar
<bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In	Different Cultures
> Message-ID: <F3882FE6-5DE3-434A-8A28-D40D02CFA16C at iotecdigital.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
> 
> Reminds me a lot of a trip I took with my Dad and Stepmom around the big
> island of Hawaii. I would hear her say something that barely registered
with
> me, but my Dad seemed to immediately act upon it. After watching this
> interaction for a bit, I realized she was speaking in a kind of code, and
he was
> interpreting it, and doing a damd good job of it too, although she would
> probably have disagreed about that.
> 
> I brought it up to him later, and he confirmed that this was exactly what
was
> going on. He had learned to do this over the years he had been with her.
She
> would make vague references to things, and it was his responsibility to
> interpret correctly that she wanted him to do or say something very
specific.
> And he?d better get it right too, or there would be words later, and the
> words would be more code he had to interpret correctly, or else things
> would just go downhill from there.
> 
> I expressed that this was really difficult for me as it left so much room
for
> misunderstandings, and the stress of always having to be on my guard about
> those little subtleties would be too much for me to deal with on a daily
basis.
> He told me that I had better never marry then. I?ve taken his advice. :-)
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Feb 25, 2014, at 14:13 , Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
> > Some cross-cultural issues:
> >
> > <http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/02/how-to-say-this-is-crap-in-different-
> cultures/>





From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Feb 27 05:24:04 2014
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 10:24:04 +0000
Subject: How To Say ?This Is Crap? In Different Cultures
In-Reply-To: <003401cf339a$2b6170a0$822451e0$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <003401cf339a$2b6170a0$822451e0$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <8F63084C-A70F-487B-BAC8-43EAD812B6A4@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 27 Feb 2014, at 08:59, FlexibleLearning.com <admin at FlexibleLearning.com> wrote:

> Whilst working in the garden 

And how should we interpret that, Hugh? 


From mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com  Thu Feb 27 07:36:12 2014
From: mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com (Mats Wilstrand)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:36:12 +0100
Subject: Why is everybody better than me?
Message-ID: <034401cf33b8$7fb1ee00$7f15ca00$@tapirsoft.com>

When I get older I would very much like to learn how to post correctly to
this list. You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're
answering included in your answer. I do! I will consider all of you that are
willing to share this secret with me to be kind persons.

Kind regards
Mats




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Feb 27 07:57:08 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:57:08 +0100
Subject: Why is everybody better than me?
In-Reply-To: <034401cf33b8$7fb1ee00$7f15ca00$@tapirsoft.com>
References: <034401cf33b8$7fb1ee00$7f15ca00$@tapirsoft.com>
Message-ID: <530F3624.8050602@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Mats,

(Almost?) all e-mail clients have an option to quote the message that is 
being answered. If you check this option in the preferences of your 
client, the previous message will be included automatically.

Usually, you can also choose whether the previous message should be 
before (above) or after (below) your own text. Personally, I prefer to 
read quoted messages below the answer, because that doesn't force me to 
scroll down to the new reply in every single e-mail.

If you are using webmail, things may be slightly more complicated. Not 
every webmail system has the same options and they are not always called 
the same. E.g. Yahoo has quoting turned of by default, because they want 
you to use their threading system. There is a way to turned it on, but I 
don't recall how. I never use webmail.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other 
colour spaces. http://www.color-converter.com

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 2/27/2014 13:36, Mats Wilstrand wrote:
> When I get older I would very much like to learn how to post correctly to
> this list. You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're
> answering included in your answer. I do! I will consider all of you that are
> willing to share this secret with me to be kind persons.
>
> Kind regards
> Mats




From dave at applicationinsight.com  Thu Feb 27 08:52:09 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 05:52:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Why is everybody better than me?
In-Reply-To: <034401cf33b8$7fb1ee00$7f15ca00$@tapirsoft.com>
References: <034401cf33b8$7fb1ee00$7f15ca00$@tapirsoft.com>
Message-ID: <1393509129655-4676534.post@n4.nabble.com>

Mats Wilstrand-2 wrote
> You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're
> answering included in your answer. 

Hi Mats! I find it MUCH easier to post to the use list via
http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
there are nice tools to manage quoting and everything - come and join the
dark side :)



-----
"Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior

--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-is-everybody-better-than-me-tp4676532p4676534.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From bvg at mac.com  Thu Feb 27 09:06:31 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:06:31 +0100
Subject: Grouping controls within a group
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eP4K6f6JGJFHEWKEwc5+Yyp1mLfdEx7nJXhxV7m1pRDMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP4K6f6JGJFHEWKEwc5+Yyp1mLfdEx7nJXhxV7m1pRDMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9F8412A8-D63E-446D-B1F9-0A8AF11F267F@mac.com>

You can also use the "start / stop editing" command while locking the screen. Basic testing shows it that just messing with relayerGroupedControls doesn't help... Could be nice if that'd be possible. Until then, the following works:

on mouseUp
   lock screen
   start editing group 1
   group button 1 and button 2
   stop editing
end mouseUp

On 27.02.2014, at 00:58, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I have a need to group controls within an existing group into a subgroup by
> script, but I get a runtime error when trying to do that - in 6.5.2 the
> message is "Object cannot be grouped".
> 
> Any ideas on how to do that?  The only way I can think of is to ungroup the
> main group, group the selected controls to form the subgroup, then group
> the subgroup and the rest of the controls to reinstate the main group, but
> that's pretty scary!
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode


-- 

Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/

Chat with other RunRev developers:
http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/





From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Feb 27 09:19:22 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 09:19:22 -0500
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <60712794-8FD4-4CD9-983A-2B787BF3C5E4@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E5F2E0-5AAB-4F58-B8DD-050816646303@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8NJLdxeF-9F569npRVQ40mtnu5XBB0usMyxNe4DPuHHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<694FDF6A-785F-4239-A633-AD32DF0D0D86@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG86W_3mJhz33xy4PGKAzYP8Oz0s__t5fzw9-PXm1LcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<60712794-8FD4-4CD9-983A-2B787BF3C5E4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8qWhWvk9Kcga3YLM5LWqYGgSfqdoFZbXESJaoMbbNHDw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Terence Heaford
<t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:

> repeatRate is clearly working because if i raise it significantly
> everything slows to a crawl but honestly
> I can't notice much difference between 50 and 10 or 0  with my 1700
> records.
>
> Perhaps it's time to give this one up and put up with it, unless you have
> any other ideas.
>

Not at the moment.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com  Thu Feb 27 09:50:32 2014
From: mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com (wilstrand)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 06:50:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Why is everybody better than me?
In-Reply-To: <1393509129655-4676534.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <034401cf33b8$7fb1ee00$7f15ca00$@tapirsoft.com>
	<1393509129655-4676534.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1393512632429-4676537.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks Dave!

I've joined the dark side. Life is looking so much brighter now. :)

Best
Mats



--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-is-everybody-better-than-me-tp4676532p4676537.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 27 09:55:05 2014
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (Jim Hurley)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 06:55:05 -0800
Subject: Wolfram language
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7687.1393449511.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.7687.1393449511.23986.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <11ECD620-6B87-49AA-9ECF-C9A2253306A4@sbcglobal.net>

> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 09:35:12 -0800
> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Wolfram language
> Message-ID: <530E25D0.5030804 at fourthworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Jim Hurley wrote:
> 
>> And, Richard, as a petty aside, that formula and graph in the forum you cite don?t ?compute.?
> 
> Not petty at all.  It's just one more reason we love having you in this 
> community:  you help keep our math straight.
> 
> 
>> But there is another significant difference between LC and what one might achieve in the new
>> Wolfram-enabled LC.  One cannot plot a truly smooth curve in LC. The curve is always a set
>> of line segments joining a set of discrete points. It is similar to the difference between
>> bit map and vector graphics.
> 
> Hopefully that can change now that LiveCode uses the Skia library for 
> its graphics primitives.  If memory serves Skia supports Beziers - could 
> those be used for what you're looking for?

Richard,

Thank you. I'm afraid I really haven't been keeping up. Could you, or any one, provide me with an example that shows how to use the Skia library?

Here is an example that illustrates what I mean when I say that LC cannot plot a smooth curve. 
It will *plot* a circle and also place a circle of equal size next it using LC's graphic tools.
They are close, but the plot shows the pixillation no matter how many points one choose for the plot.

Just put this into a button script.

on mouseUp
   if there is no grc "circle" then create grc "Circle"
   set the style of grc "circle" to polygon
   
   set the points of grc "circle" to ""
   put 200 into R  
   put R+10 into  x0   
   put the height of this card /  2 into y0
   
   answer "By what fraction of a degree between steps would you choose?" with "1" or "2"  or "3" or "4"
   put it into tFraction
   
  --Draw the circle
      repeat with Ang = 0 to 360*tFraction
      put R* cos(ang*PI/180/tFraction) into x
      put R * sin(Ang*PI/180/tFraction) into y
      put Round(x0 + x), Round(y0+y) & cr after tPoints
   end repeat
   set the points of grc "Circle" to tPoints
   
--Show the oval
   if there is not grc "oval" then 
      create grc "oval"
      set the style of grc "oval" to oval
      set the width of grc "oval" to 2*R
      set the height of grc "oval" to 2*R
      set the loc of grc "Oval" to x0 +2* R + 10, y0
   end if
end mouseUp

> 
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com




From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Thu Feb 27 10:01:03 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:01:03 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8qWhWvk9Kcga3YLM5LWqYGgSfqdoFZbXESJaoMbbNHDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E5F2E0-5AAB-4F58-B8DD-050816646303@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8NJLdxeF-9F569npRVQ40mtnu5XBB0usMyxNe4DPuHHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<694FDF6A-785F-4239-A633-AD32DF0D0D86@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG86W_3mJhz33xy4PGKAzYP8Oz0s__t5fzw9-PXm1LcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<60712794-8FD4-4CD9-983A-2B787BF3C5E4@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8qWhWvk9Kcga3YLM5LWqYGgSfqdoFZbXESJaoMbbNHDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2A1B05D1-DB48-4640-B223-C19A11EC31AC@btinternet.com>

Out of interest when I close down LiveCode and reopen it
and in the message box type

put the repeatRate, it always comes back at 1 not 50.

Either the Language Guide is wrong and it is reset to 1 and not 50 or the default setting has been
changed to 1 and not 50 and the Language Guide is incorrect.

This assumes of course it is reset each time you close LC.

This would explain why I am not seeing much improvement because it was already 1.

All the best

Terry


On 27 Feb 2014, at 14:19, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

>> repeatRate is clearly working



From mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com  Thu Feb 27 10:04:43 2014
From: mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com (wilstrand)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:04:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Why is everybody better than me?
In-Reply-To: <1393509129655-4676534.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <034401cf33b8$7fb1ee00$7f15ca00$@tapirsoft.com>
	<1393509129655-4676534.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1393513483034-4676540.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi again Dave!
Using the "Quote" function now! I'm like a child, will try to stop now.


Dave Kilroy wrote
> 
> Mats Wilstrand-2 wrote
>> You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're
>> answering included in your answer. 
> Hi Mats! I find it MUCH easier to post to the use list via
> http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Revolution-User-f278306.html
> there are nice tools to manage quoting and everything - come and join the
> dark side :)





-----
Mats wilstrand
http://tapirsoft.on-rev.com
--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Why-is-everybody-better-than-me-tp4676532p4676540.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 10:16:12 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:16:12 -0800
Subject: Wolfram language
In-Reply-To: <11ECD620-6B87-49AA-9ECF-C9A2253306A4@sbcglobal.net>
References: <11ECD620-6B87-49AA-9ECF-C9A2253306A4@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <530F56BC.9040706@fourthworld.com>

Jim Hurley wrote:

 > Could you, or any one, provide me with an example that shows how
 > to use the Skia library?

Skia is a 2d library, used in LiveCode to replace the older internal 
subsystem used for drawing.

The good news is that we don't have to do anything to use Skia:  it's 
already there, working every time you render anything to the screen. 
RunRev did such a good job dropping it in that most people didn't notice 
any change at all.

The bad news is that we *can't* (currently) do anything with it from 
scripting:  if you want to use additional capabilities not currently 
supported by the LiveCode language, those would need to be submitted as 
feature requests.

But the good thing about Skia is that many such feature requests are now 
easier for the team to implement than before, since they can rely on the 
capabilities of a library that has many times more developers working on 
it than any small company could afford.

For example, SVG is handled by Skia, so conceivably we could see SVG 
import and export added to LC.  And along with that, since SVG supports 
Beziers, we'll hopefully see that too.

Those types of additions to LiveCode are probably not as high on the 
priority list as the published Kickstarter goals, but achievable with 
Skia once the other priorities are done.

And of course anyone in the community with sufficient time and skills 
could add those capabilities and submit a pull request to have them 
added to the main engine build.

More info on Skia:
<https://sites.google.com/site/skiadocs/roadmap>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From heather at runrev.com  Thu Feb 27 10:17:47 2014
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Laine)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:17:47 +0000
Subject: Blogging Policy Revision
Message-ID: <A7301B18-63EF-475F-AC1D-86D39E8D14D3@runrev.com>

Dear List Members,

I'd just like to give you good folks all a heads up. We've just started implementing a new policy of actively encouraging our entire team to post tech updates to our blog. This means that you should regularly find interesting new content there, you might want to bookmark it or make a habit of checking it more often than in the past :)

http://livecode.com/blog/

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Laine
Customer Services Manager
http://www.livecode.com/











From mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com  Thu Feb 27 10:28:02 2014
From: mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com (Mats Wilstrand)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:28:02 +0100
Subject: Blogging Policy Revision
In-Reply-To: <A7301B18-63EF-475F-AC1D-86D39E8D14D3@runrev.com>
References: <A7301B18-63EF-475F-AC1D-86D39E8D14D3@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <037201cf33d0$812df2c0$8389d840$@tapirsoft.com>

Thanks Heather!  
That's a very good policy. Bookmarked.

Best
Mats

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Heather Laine
> Sent: den 27 februari 2014 16:18
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Blogging Policy Revision
> 
> Dear List Members,
> 
> I'd just like to give you good folks all a heads up. We've just started
> implementing a new policy of actively encouraging our entire team to post
> tech updates to our blog. This means that you should regularly find
> interesting new content there, you might want to bookmark it or make a
> habit of checking it more often than in the past :)
> 
> http://livecode.com/blog/
> 
> Warm Regards,
> 
> Heather
> 
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> http://www.livecode.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Feb 27 10:48:23 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 10:48:23 -0500
Subject: Wolfram language
In-Reply-To: <530F56BC.9040706@fourthworld.com>
References: <11ECD620-6B87-49AA-9ECF-C9A2253306A4@sbcglobal.net>
	<530F56BC.9040706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG9rGZu8A78FemCvaJNd+nTt3+4wt7HORhPT_JQ7WhwOsg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

>
> For example, SVG is handled by Skia, so conceivably we could see SVG
> import and export added to LC.  And along with that, since SVG supports
> Beziers, we'll hopefully see that too.
>
> Those types of additions to LiveCode are probably not as high on the
> priority list as the published Kickstarter goals, but achievable with Skia
> once the other priorities are done.
>

Richard,

Good news - "Vector Shape Object" is one of the published Kickstart goals.
The description is: "The new vector shape object will provide rich vector
support, use of SVG and sub pixel drawing accuracy".

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From paulhibbert at mac.com  Thu Feb 27 10:51:55 2014
From: paulhibbert at mac.com (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:51:55 -0800
Subject: Why is everybody better than me?
In-Reply-To: <034401cf33b8$7fb1ee00$7f15ca00$@tapirsoft.com>
References: <034401cf33b8$7fb1ee00$7f15ca00$@tapirsoft.com>
Message-ID: <34F7DDAE-5009-4D48-B67E-966194728167@mac.com>

Hi Mats,

Another useful tip (depending on your preferred email client), is to highlight the phrase/sentence/paragraph/etc. that you want to quote before hitting the Reply button, the highlighted text should be included in your reply (see below).

I'm using Apple Mail, I've tried other software, but always end up coming back to Mail.

Paul

On 2014-02-27, at 4:36 AM, Mats Wilstrand <mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com> wrote:

> You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're
> answering included in your answer.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 10:54:06 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 07:54:06 -0800
Subject: Wolfram language
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG9rGZu8A78FemCvaJNd+nTt3+4wt7HORhPT_JQ7WhwOsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHg3tG9rGZu8A78FemCvaJNd+nTt3+4wt7HORhPT_JQ7WhwOsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <530F5F9E.1020709@fourthworld.com>

Trevor DeVore wrote:

> Good news - "Vector Shape Object" is one of the published Kickstart goals.
> The description is: "The new vector shape object will provide rich vector
> support, use of SVG and sub pixel drawing accuracy".

As one of the items in "Queued", below the top three strands, I'm 
looking forward to it but don't expect to see it very soon.

I'd love to be wrong, but I'd love even more to see SFTP and the updated 
player object first.

It seems hopeful, though, given that "Cocoa" is also listed under 
"Queued", but has been the focus of a great deal of effort recently.

Fingers crossed - I want it all by next Tuesday. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com  Thu Feb 27 11:48:18 2014
From: mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com (Mats Wilstrand)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:48:18 +0100
Subject: Why is everybody better than me?
In-Reply-To: <34F7DDAE-5009-4D48-B67E-966194728167@mac.com>
References: <034401cf33b8$7fb1ee00$7f15ca00$@tapirsoft.com>
	<34F7DDAE-5009-4D48-B67E-966194728167@mac.com>
Message-ID: <038901cf33db$b7afa630$270ef290$@tapirsoft.com>

Thanks Paul, that's a useful tip! Can't seem to get it working on my Outlook
2010 though. Will investigate some more.

Bets
Mats

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf Of Paul Hibbert
> Sent: den 27 februari 2014 16:52
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Why is everybody better than me?
> 
> Hi Mats,
> 
> Another useful tip (depending on your preferred email client), is to
highlight
> the phrase/sentence/paragraph/etc. that you want to quote before hitting
> the Reply button, the highlighted text should be included in your reply
(see
> below).
> 
> I'm using Apple Mail, I've tried other software, but always end up coming
> back to Mail.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 2014-02-27, at 4:36 AM, Mats Wilstrand <mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > You all seem to have no problem getting the message you're answering
> > included in your answer.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 27 11:59:04 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 08:59:04 -0800
Subject: Grouping controls within a group
In-Reply-To: <9F8412A8-D63E-446D-B1F9-0A8AF11F267F@mac.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP4K6f6JGJFHEWKEwc5+Yyp1mLfdEx7nJXhxV7m1pRDMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9F8412A8-D63E-446D-B1F9-0A8AF11F267F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOURvd8OuVs3bg2UG3cYHuVhB3zghyv0LRoLF4W_g-6rg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bjornke.

I'm nervous about putting a group into and out of edit mode by script
having had some bad experiences with it in the past. Seems like it puts the
stack into a weird and wonderful state where the controls outside of the
edited group no longer exist and any reference to a control that includes
the group name fails. Any script runtime errors stand a chance of
corrupting the stack.

However, your suggestion to lock the screen sounds like it would take care
of my concerns and I'd only be in group edit mode for a few milliseconds so
I'll give this a whirl.  It is less code than the other solutions and I
like that.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> You can also use the "start / stop editing" command while locking the
> screen. Basic testing shows it that just messing with
> relayerGroupedControls doesn't help... Could be nice if that'd be possible.
> Until then, the following works:
>
> on mouseUp
>    lock screen
>    start editing group 1
>    group button 1 and button 2
>    stop editing
> end mouseUp
>
> On 27.02.2014, at 00:58, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a need to group controls within an existing group into a subgroup
> by
> > script, but I get a runtime error when trying to do that - in 6.5.2 the
> > message is "Object cannot be grouped".
> >
> > Any ideas on how to do that?  The only way I can think of is to ungroup
> the
> > main group, group the selected controls to form the subgroup, then group
> > the subgroup and the rest of the controls to reinstate the main group,
> but
> > that's pretty scary!
> >
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> --
>
> Use an alternative Dictionary viewer:
> http://bjoernke.com/bvgdocu/
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com  Thu Feb 27 12:12:37 2014
From: mats.wilstrand at tapirsoft.com (Mats Wilstrand)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 18:12:37 +0100
Subject: Why is everybody better than me?
Message-ID: <038e01cf33df$1d4fb400$57ef1c00$@tapirsoft.com>

Hi Mark!

Turned out I had my List preferences set to only receive a digests! Changed
that to receive a mail for each post now. So I hope next time I answer you,
your message will be included! Thanks for guidance Mark!

Mats

------------------------

<Hi Mats,
<
<(Almost?) all e-mail clients have an option to quote the message that is
<being answered. If you check this option in the preferences of your
<client, the previous message will be included automatically.

<Usually, you can also choose whether the previous message should be <before
(above) or after (below) your own text. Personally, I prefer to <read quoted
messages below the answer, because that doesn't force me to <scroll down to
the new reply in every single e-mail.
<
<If you are using webmail, things may be slightly more complicated. Not
<every webmail system has the same options and they are not always called
<the same. E.g. Yahoo has quoting turned off by default, because they want
<you to use their threading system. There is a way to turned it on, but I
<don't recall how. I never use webmail.
<
<--
<Best regards,
<
<Mark Schonewille





From liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com  Thu Feb 27 12:15:22 2014
From: liste.revo at medard.on-rev.com (Medard)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 18:15:22 +0100
Subject: Blogging Policy Revision
In-Reply-To: <A7301B18-63EF-475F-AC1D-86D39E8D14D3@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1lhqnuw.i00sqr1wr414wM%liste.revo@medard.on-rev.com>

Heather Laine <heather at runrev.com> wrote:

> you might want to bookmark

done!

however, how about putting a RSS link, to read this in NetNewsWire, for
instance...

(-8 M?dard



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Feb 27 12:43:58 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:43:58 +0000
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <530EB32E.4090004@fourthworld.com>
References: <530EB32E.4090004@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <18D23F98-4191-4F4A-95DF-7A2BBC736FD0@byu.edu>

Look in User Samples (revOnline) for my "Spelling Matching with Soundex" stack. I think I classified it with tags "text" and "algorithm". It's just a modification of the basic SoundEx algorithm with a couple of my own modifications thrown in.

Devin


On Feb 26, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at FourthWorld.com> wrote:

> I'm still missing it - where can one find Devin's Levenstein function?
> 
> 
> Bob Sneidar:
>> Don?t know how I missed that, thanks.
>> 
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 18:50 , Peter Haworth wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> If I remember correctly, Devin has some functions that implement a
>>> Levenstein Distance algorithm which will identify potential misspellings of
>>> a word
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From jiml at netrin.com  Thu Feb 27 12:49:18 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 09:49:18 -0800
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1393498801.14580.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1393498801.14580.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7CE8FA4B-DBA0-4FA5-86F9-4A38EA07FD8A@netrin.com>

BobS wrote:

> That is kind of what I was doing, ... Does that mean I?m a genius?

Instead of Levenshtein Distance, I think we need a Euclidean Distance formula to calculate that. ;)
Whenever I run it on myself the result always approaches zero.

JimL





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 12:52:32 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 09:52:32 -0800
Subject: Near Text Search
In-Reply-To: <18D23F98-4191-4F4A-95DF-7A2BBC736FD0@byu.edu>
References: <18D23F98-4191-4F4A-95DF-7A2BBC736FD0@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <530F7B60.1060704@fourthworld.com>

Devin Asay wrote:

 > Look in User Samples (revOnline) for my "Spelling Matching with
 > Soundex" stack. I think I classified it with tags "text" and
 > "algorithm". It's just a modification of the basic SoundEx algorithm
 > with a couple of my own modifications thrown in.

Found it - thanks!

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys




From th.douez at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 13:30:11 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:30:11 +0100
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>

Sleeves up designers :)

http://learn2spritz.com/


Thierry

------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Feb 27 13:46:00 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:46:00 +0100
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E95A88DB-9936-44A1-9225-651159962D61@major-k.de>

Bonsoir Thierry,

Am 27.02.2014 um 19:30 schrieb Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com>:

> Sleeves up designers :)
> 
> http://learn2spritz.com/

cool, I managed 400wpm, even in english :-)

"Spritz" in german is the imperative to the verb "spritzen", which means "to squirt" or "to sputter" :-D

> Thierry

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 13:46:23 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 20:46:23 +0200
Subject: Blogging Policy Revision
In-Reply-To: <A7301B18-63EF-475F-AC1D-86D39E8D14D3@runrev.com>
References: <A7301B18-63EF-475F-AC1D-86D39E8D14D3@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <530F87FF.1040801@gmail.com>

On 27/02/14 17:17, Heather Laine wrote:
> Dear List Members,
>
> I'd just like to give you good folks all a heads up. We've just started implementing a new policy of actively encouraging our entire team to post tech updates to our blog. This means that you should regularly find interesting new content there, you might want to bookmark it or make a habit of checking it more often than in the past :)
>
> http://livecode.com/blog/

Lovely job.

>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Laine
> Customer Services Manager
> http://www.livecode.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From sc at sahores-conseil.com  Thu Feb 27 13:52:29 2014
From: sc at sahores-conseil.com (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 19:52:29 +0100
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6D1C32E-DEEC-40A7-A785-99B377B242F4@sahores-conseil.com>

Merci Thierry for sharing this link !

Le 27 f?vr. 2014 ? 19:30, Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Sleeves up designers :)
> 
> http://learn2spritz.com/
> 
> 
> Thierry
> 
> ------------------------------------------------
> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com




From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 27 14:00:57 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:00:57 -0800
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePBzJA_OCRbrrdUADFoL_N=b0AmxGxMPtzRaTwbfEdkDg@mail.gmail.com>

That's pretty amazing Thierry.  It was easy to get my reading speed up to
400wpm.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sleeves up designers :)
>
> http://learn2spritz.com/
>
>
> Thierry
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Feb 27 14:03:50 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 20:03:50 +0100
Subject: Strange behavior of the IDE?
Message-ID: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>

I'm trying to debug a sequence of code with some repeat loops and stuff in it. I'm using LC 6.5.2 on Apple Mavericks 10.9.1 - but I've just tested this on a far older version of LC (5.5.4) and I get the same problem:

I have put a number of breakpoints in the code, and when I start executing it, the breakpoints do indeed stop the code running as expected. But then I come to a point where the code seems to rush ahead, taking no notice of the breakpoints. Specifically, I start tracing before calling a certain function with this statement

put myFunction(myParameter) into field "myField"

The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply. It's as if I'd clicked on the 'step over' button in the IDE instead of the 'step into', but I haven't. This is entirely repeatable. What did I do wrong? I suppose it may be a bug, but I rather dread cutting it down to a simple example. Has anyone any idea what is causing this?

TIA

Graham


From th.douez at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 14:25:34 2014
From: th.douez at gmail.com (Thierry Douez)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 20:25:34 +0100
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePBzJA_OCRbrrdUADFoL_N=b0AmxGxMPtzRaTwbfEdkDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePBzJA_OCRbrrdUADFoL_N=b0AmxGxMPtzRaTwbfEdkDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8ucO4NmE8wPZJOOrE7Qe8WCcXfBLF685YoTuQ__f523k=hiA@mail.gmail.com>

> That's pretty amazing Thierry.
> It was easy to get my reading speed up to 400wpm.
>
> Pete

It's because of your sqlitz-mind.

You can't imagine with my regexitz one :)

More seriously, I'm eager to see some real use of this...
in Livecode!!

Thierry


>> http://learn2spritz.com/


------------------------------------------------
Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 27 15:33:02 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 12:33:02 -0800
Subject: Strange behavior of the IDE?
In-Reply-To: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
References: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMYhLDWeberwKGh-nsYOjU9MZM5GJu8Pofczppj=0NiHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've experienced this from time to time and it's very frustrating.

Have you tried inserting a "breakpoint" command at the start of your
function rather than a "red dot" breakpoint?

I've sometimes found that the statement following the breakpoint is somehow
syntactically incorrect in a way that isn't caught during compile, which
seems to cause LC to just give up.  Sorry to be so vague but I can't
remember the exact details.

On another occasion, I ended up putting a lock messages command in my code
(when I was in "try anything" mode) which fixed the problem, but I have no
idea why.


Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to debug a sequence of code with some repeat loops and stuff in
> it. I'm using LC 6.5.2 on Apple Mavericks 10.9.1 - but I've just tested
> this on a far older version of LC (5.5.4) and I get the same problem:
>
> I have put a number of breakpoints in the code, and when I start executing
> it, the breakpoints do indeed stop the code running as expected. But then I
> come to a point where the code seems to rush ahead, taking no notice of the
> breakpoints. Specifically, I start tracing before calling a certain
> function with this statement
>
> put myFunction(myParameter) into field "myField"
>
> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
> It's as if I'd clicked on the 'step over' button in the IDE instead of the
> 'step into', but I haven't. This is entirely repeatable. What did I do
> wrong? I suppose it may be a bug, but I rather dread cutting it down to a
> simple example. Has anyone any idea what is causing this?
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Feb 27 16:06:55 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 22:06:55 +0100
Subject: Strange behavior of the IDE?
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMYhLDWeberwKGh-nsYOjU9MZM5GJu8Pofczppj=0NiHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
	<CAGDT7eMYhLDWeberwKGh-nsYOjU9MZM5GJu8Pofczppj=0NiHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0EEAAF68-2E5E-4022-93C8-F002575820C9@mac.com>

Pete, thanks for the quick reply. Neither of those things work for me. There is even odder stuff: if I put breakpoints in earlier code and click through that code to the point where the breakpoints stop working, then the 'strange' code is executed, although it doesn't stop at its own breakpoints. If I just let the program run, by clicking on the 'run' triangle every time it reaches a working breakpoint, the code in the problematic section isn't executed, or not all of it - for example I have become sufficiently desperate to introduce a simple logging function that puts lines of text into a field. In the 'just run it' case, the log doesn't show, and in the other case, I get log entries. This is all extremely strange. I've tried quitting and restarting etc but so far nothing has worked. Reluctantly I will try to report it as a bug.

Graham

On 27 Feb 2014, at 21:33, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I've experienced this from time to time and it's very frustrating.
> 
> Have you tried inserting a "breakpoint" command at the start of your
> function rather than a "red dot" breakpoint?
> 
> I've sometimes found that the statement following the breakpoint is somehow
> syntactically incorrect in a way that isn't caught during compile, which
> seems to cause LC to just give up.  Sorry to be so vague but I can't
> remember the exact details.
> 
> On another occasion, I ended up putting a lock messages command in my code
> (when I was in "try anything" mode) which fixed the problem, but I have no
> idea why.
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to debug a sequence of code with some repeat loops and stuff in
>> it. I'm using LC 6.5.2 on Apple Mavericks 10.9.1 - but I've just tested
>> this on a far older version of LC (5.5.4) and I get the same problem:
>> 
>> I have put a number of breakpoints in the code, and when I start executing
>> it, the breakpoints do indeed stop the code running as expected. But then I
>> come to a point where the code seems to rush ahead, taking no notice of the
>> breakpoints. Specifically, I start tracing before calling a certain
>> function with this statement
>> 
>> put myFunction(myParameter) into field "myField"
>> 
>> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
>> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
>> It's as if I'd clicked on the 'step over' button in the IDE instead of the
>> 'step into', but I haven't. This is entirely repeatable. What did I do
>> wrong? I suppose it may be a bug, but I rather dread cutting it down to a
>> simple example. Has anyone any idea what is causing this?
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Graham
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 27 16:17:14 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:17:14 -0600
Subject: Strange behavior of the IDE?
In-Reply-To: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
References: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <530FAB5A.1010801@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/27/14, 1:03 PM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> put myFunction(myParameter) into field "myField"
>
> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it
> apply. It's as if I'd clicked on the 'step over' button in the IDE
> instead of the 'step into', but I haven't. This is entirely
> repeatable. What did I do wrong? I suppose it may be a bug, but I
> rather dread cutting it down to a simple example. Has anyone any idea
> what is causing this?

Does your function call handlers in any rev libraries? Those ignore 
breakpoints. If so, you can try setting the global gRevDevelopment to 
true, see if it starts working again. You probably won't want to leave 
that setting on for very long, it will step into all the IDE code.

Usually when it happens to me, I just set the breakpoint on the next 
line down, or wherever it starts working again.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 16:27:35 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 05:27:35 +0800
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <2A1B05D1-DB48-4640-B223-C19A11EC31AC@btinternet.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E5F2E0-5AAB-4F58-B8DD-050816646303@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8NJLdxeF-9F569npRVQ40mtnu5XBB0usMyxNe4DPuHHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<694FDF6A-785F-4239-A633-AD32DF0D0D86@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG86W_3mJhz33xy4PGKAzYP8Oz0s__t5fzw9-PXm1LcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<60712794-8FD4-4CD9-983A-2B787BF3C5E4@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8qWhWvk9Kcga3YLM5LWqYGgSfqdoFZbXESJaoMbbNHDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A1B05D1-DB48-4640-B223-C19A11EC31AC@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5ki6WSq_iwVuR0+uf+VNdV5Y9chmje45TOnV39U3vtYC1A@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Terence Heaford
<t.heaford at btinternet.com>wrote:

>
> This assumes of course it is reset each time you close LC.
>
> That's what happens on my machine: OS X 10.9.2, LC 6.5.2

New stack, new btn:

on mouseUp
   set the repeatRate to 20
end mouseUp

Press the btn and in the msg box 'put the repeatRate' I get 20.

If I Quit LC, restart it and open my New stack and 'put the repeatRate' in
the msg box I get 50. Press the btn I get 20.

If you get 1 before you even open a stack, then a plugin might be setting
it.

If you get 1 ater you open a stack then I'd be doing a global search for
'repeatRate' which I assume will be in an [pre]open[stack/card] handler
somewhere.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 17:08:45 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 06:08:45 +0800
Subject: Strange behavior of the IDE?
In-Reply-To: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
References: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khzbxZf76XWNyQpxv6spfLfKm9yGAUMUfSRgNc1Eb1OkA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
>
> As stated there is a syntax/logic error in the function. As Peter said put
a hard breakpoint as line 1 of the function, then comment out every other
line. You will now be able to step into the function - which proves there
is a problem within it*. Then systematically uncomment 50% of the commented
code. You should be able to quickly locate where the offending line is once
you are able to actually step into your function.

* On very rare occasions, I'm pretty sure associated with copying and
pasting code from online, I've had functions or scripts that don't behave
as they should. In this case I've cut the function/handler, or in extreme
cases the entire script out and pasted it into a text editor -
TextWrangleran excellent free one for Mac. I 'Apply' and Saved the
stack with the
offending piece missing. I then use BBEdit's (TextWranglers big brother)
Zap Gremlins function to remove all non ASCII, ASCII control and ASCII null
values. I then reinsert the code which is now plain vanilla text, 'Apply'
then save and things return to normal.


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Feb 27 17:51:49 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 22:51:49 +0000
Subject: Strange behavior of the IDE? - Found word(s) list error remove
	list in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <680f7dac-107b-4a37-b56b-3342431d4ee8@lists.runrev.com>
References: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
	<680f7dac-107b-4a37-b56b-3342431d4ee8@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <ED89692D-B01F-48D8-B6A5-CF2EED3F2494@iotecdigital.com>

I will say though, that at times I have had syntax errors which compile fine but produce some kind of runtime error, and when the offending command is reached, the engine silently exits the handler and stepping terminates. I see this in the debugger because when I step through the code, it hits that line then bails out. Whenever you hit a line of code that seems to jump out of the step debugger, examine that line of code VEWY CAWEFUWWY. 

Bob


On Feb 27, 2014, at 14:08 , Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
>> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
>> 
>> As stated there is a syntax/logic error in the function. As Peter said put
> a hard breakpoint as line 1 of the function, then comment out every other
> line. You will now be able to step into the function - which proves there
> is a problem within it*. Then systematically uncomment 50% of the commented
> code. You should be able to quickly locate where the offending line is once
> you are able to actually step into your function.
> 
> * On very rare occasions, I'm pretty sure associated with copying and
> pasting code from online, I've had functions or scripts that don't behave
> as they should. In this case I've cut the function/handler, or in extreme
> cases the entire script out and pasted it into a text editor -
> TextWrangleran excellent free one for Mac. I 'Apply' and Saved the
> stack with the
> offending piece missing. I then use BBEdit's (TextWranglers big brother)
> Zap Gremlins function to remove all non ASCII, ASCII control and ASCII null
> values. I then reinsert the code which is now plain vanilla text, 'Apply'
> then save and things return to normal.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 27 17:54:04 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:54:04 -0800
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO4NmE8wPZJOOrE7Qe8WCcXfBLF685YoTuQ__f523k=hiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePBzJA_OCRbrrdUADFoL_N=b0AmxGxMPtzRaTwbfEdkDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8ucO4NmE8wPZJOOrE7Qe8WCcXfBLF685YoTuQ__f523k=hiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNZd2Xut0EAprFCXiYAjb9hrXkMeAHtTKtfGwC50WDGvw@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I couldn't resist! Some of it is pretty clumsy but it's a start.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50196612/Spritzing.livecode

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com> wrote:

> > That's pretty amazing Thierry.
> > It was easy to get my reading speed up to 400wpm.
> >
> > Pete
>
> It's because of your sqlitz-mind.
>
> You can't imagine with my regexitz one :)
>
> More seriously, I'm eager to see some real use of this...
> in Livecode!!
>
> Thierry
>
>
> >> http://learn2spritz.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 27 17:56:55 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:56:55 -0800
Subject: Strange behavior of the IDE?
In-Reply-To: <0EEAAF68-2E5E-4022-93C8-F002575820C9@mac.com>
References: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
	<CAGDT7eMYhLDWeberwKGh-nsYOjU9MZM5GJu8Pofczppj=0NiHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0EEAAF68-2E5E-4022-93C8-F002575820C9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNczVXE9PddGDNhxMABsk98JLxHfpfMsj0i26sA3h_XTg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, everything you said matches what I've experienced.  There have been
other threads about it too.  It may already have been reported as a bug

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> Pete, thanks for the quick reply. Neither of those things work for me.
> There is even odder stuff: if I put breakpoints in earlier code and click
> through that code to the point where the breakpoints stop working, then the
> 'strange' code is executed, although it doesn't stop at its own
> breakpoints. If I just let the program run, by clicking on the 'run'
> triangle every time it reaches a working breakpoint, the code in the
> problematic section isn't executed, or not all of it - for example I have
> become sufficiently desperate to introduce a simple logging function that
> puts lines of text into a field. In the 'just run it' case, the log doesn't
> show, and in the other case, I get log entries. This is all extremely
> strange. I've tried quitting and restarting etc but so far nothing has
> worked. Reluctantly I will try to report it as a bug.
>
> Graham
>
> On 27 Feb 2014, at 21:33, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > I've experienced this from time to time and it's very frustrating.
> >
> > Have you tried inserting a "breakpoint" command at the start of your
> > function rather than a "red dot" breakpoint?
> >
> > I've sometimes found that the statement following the breakpoint is
> somehow
> > syntactically incorrect in a way that isn't caught during compile, which
> > seems to cause LC to just give up.  Sorry to be so vague but I can't
> > remember the exact details.
> >
> > On another occasion, I ended up putting a lock messages command in my
> code
> > (when I was in "try anything" mode) which fixed the problem, but I have
> no
> > idea why.
> >
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm trying to debug a sequence of code with some repeat loops and stuff
> in
> >> it. I'm using LC 6.5.2 on Apple Mavericks 10.9.1 - but I've just tested
> >> this on a far older version of LC (5.5.4) and I get the same problem:
> >>
> >> I have put a number of breakpoints in the code, and when I start
> executing
> >> it, the breakpoints do indeed stop the code running as expected. But
> then I
> >> come to a point where the code seems to rush ahead, taking no notice of
> the
> >> breakpoints. Specifically, I start tracing before calling a certain
> >> function with this statement
> >>
> >> put myFunction(myParameter) into field "myField"
> >>
> >> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
> >> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it
> apply.
> >> It's as if I'd clicked on the 'step over' button in the IDE instead of
> the
> >> 'step into', but I haven't. This is entirely repeatable. What did I do
> >> wrong? I suppose it may be a bug, but I rather dread cutting it down to
> a
> >> simple example. Has anyone any idea what is causing this?
> >>
> >> TIA
> >>
> >> Graham
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Feb 27 17:59:58 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 23:59:58 +0100
Subject: Strange behavior of the IDE?
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5khzbxZf76XWNyQpxv6spfLfKm9yGAUMUfSRgNc1Eb1OkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
	<CA+uh5khzbxZf76XWNyQpxv6spfLfKm9yGAUMUfSRgNc1Eb1OkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5EAC4D92-1040-4967-8B10-DD96896D1A49@mac.com>

Kay, thanks to you and everyone who replied. I see that your technique will isolate the issue, since I suppose logically it must be in my code. It's extraordinary though that the IDE just caves in in certain circumstances without any form of error report when the program is obviously running wild (after all, it's interpreted... but let's not get too deeply into that). Let's hope future versions of the IDE will be a bit more helpful. Meanwhile I will take the advice I've been given.

Cheers

Graham
On 27 Feb 2014, at 23:08, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
>> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
>> 
>> As stated there is a syntax/logic error in the function. As Peter said put
> a hard breakpoint as line 1 of the function, then comment out every other
> line. You will now be able to step into the function - which proves there
> is a problem within it*. Then systematically uncomment 50% of the commented
> code. You should be able to quickly locate where the offending line is once
> you are able to actually step into your function.
> 
> * On very rare occasions, I'm pretty sure associated with copying and
> pasting code from online, I've had functions or scripts that don't behave
> as they should. In this case I've cut the function/handler, or in extreme
> cases the entire script out and pasted it into a text editor -
> TextWrangleran excellent free one for Mac. I 'Apply' and Saved the
> stack with the
> offending piece missing. I then use BBEdit's (TextWranglers big brother)
> Zap Gremlins function to remove all non ASCII, ASCII control and ASCII null
> values. I then reinsert the code which is now plain vanilla text, 'Apply'
> then save and things return to normal.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 18:39:03 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:39:03 -0800
Subject: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530E1DB3.9040903@fourthworld.com>
References: <530E1DB3.9040903@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <530FCC97.8050605@fourthworld.com>

Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by 
upgrading to OS X 10.6:

Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as 
they just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it:


Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The Dust
<http://readwrite.com/2014/02/27/apple-snow-leopard-support-osx-mac>


Snow Leopard was released on August 28, 2009, and was the last version 
of OS X that ran on 32-bit CPUs.

Sadly, this once-satirical comment about upgrades is increasingly relevant:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Hk8hxjpnUiw#t=44>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb 27 18:48:10 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 15:48:10 -0800
Subject: For List Members Only
Message-ID: <CF350EBA.3BED5%scott@tactilemedia.com>

"The world's oldest cheese has been found buried with Chinese mummies"

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/27/5453826/worlds-oldest-cheese-buried-with-
mummies-in-china


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design






From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 27 19:12:17 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:12:17 -0800
Subject: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530FCC97.8050605@fourthworld.com>
References: <530E1DB3.9040903@fourthworld.com>
	<530FCC97.8050605@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHLzy7a_WmE8e7eVyByoacVamRxAt0368gSO9YSaor2esg@mail.gmail.com>

"like Lion and Mountain Lion, Mavericks doesn?t cost a thing. "

It costs a LOT if one can run 32 bit any more?  more bricks on the shelf.
Maybe Apple can shut up for a while now that they've forced everyone to 64
bit. It wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't tried to axe popular apps with
completely new workflows. I have no feature in Mavericks that I would want
except to enable newer software, like Final Cut Pro X - if I can endure the
new workflow?.and there's no demo available, so I can't even check it out.
It's supposed to be better now.

I'm still pissed about what happened to the REAL Final Cut Pro (7).

And Waveburner, their Brilliant bastard stepchild of a CD mastering
software.  Never heard of it? Not surprised.  (it was bundled with Logic
for years.) - no replacement offered. Those guys don't even know what
"mastering" means any more. It's not about 'crunching' plugins, it's about
workflow. Somebody that probably never used it made the decision.

 I guess the main excuse is about the Carbon/Cocoa thing. They "knifed that
baby" really good - and ignored and dismissed thousands of video
professionals that depended on FCP.  It's the arrogance that ticks me off.
Most went to Adobe Premiere, as Avid has even more downsides. Nobody's
really happy.


sqb

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by
> upgrading to OS X 10.6:
>
> Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as they
> just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it:
>
>
> Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The Dust
> <http://readwrite.com/2014/02/27/apple-snow-leopard-support-osx-mac>
>
>
>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Feb 27 19:12:37 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 16:12:37 -0800
Subject: For List Members Only
In-Reply-To: <CF350EBA.3BED5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CF350EBA.3BED5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfH+kzDUiHXojhGy6-5DN_4fsq7g72yMr1gn6NFOzr4wTrQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> "The world's oldest cheese has been found buried with Chinese mummies"


ew

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Feb 27 19:48:30 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 00:48:30 +0000
Subject: Finding available memory without shell, how to use hasMemory()
	- Found word(s) list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <dc1f6b06-9cca-48b2-808b-fd8e862908d4@lists.runrev.com>
References: <CADJRyz165m1URWedKEwDusCSyAwze7HiwvnkeTgFQGp4O5Xc+A@mail.gmail.com><114165672104.20140223180949@ahsoftware.net>
	<dc1f6b06-9cca-48b2-808b-fd8e862908d4@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <37A06826-B9B0-45B0-8444-79C1A265A8CB@iotecdigital.com>

Gabriel, if you are saving to the boot volume and getting dow to 100MB, this is a very serious matter. You should *never* go below 10 gigs on a modern boot driveIf the volume is being used for a swap file, it?s not as serious but will affect performance. Just a heads up.

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:21 , Gabriel Johnson <gwjapp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses. Yes, we are saving a 100+ MB data file to disk,
> and when the free memory gets to be under 100 MB, saving to a standard hard
> drive (not SSD) sometimes ends up taking a very long time (in Mac OS X),
> making it appear to the user that the program has locked up. We have
> contemplated going about this a different way, but the quickest fix for us
> at the moment is to catch low memory situations.
> 
> Mark: Yes, we need to know the amount of free ram (without counting the
> swap/inactive memory).
> 
> 
> Gabe Johnson
> gwjapp at gmail.com
> 603-978-9881
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
> 
>> Gabriel-
>> 
>> Thursday, February 20, 2014, 11:07:59 AM, you wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey All,
>> 
>>> I am working on a program where I need to know the amount of available
>>> memory.
>> 
>>> I'm running on OS X and hasMemory() appears to return true/false for the
>>> same values regardless changes to free/available memory. Is there some
>>> trick to getting hasMemory() to correspond with the actual available
>>> memory? Is this possibly something that is being addressed in newer
>>> versions of LiveCode?
>> 
>> Ah, the curse of modern operating systems...
>> 
>> What the hasMemory() function does is allocate and then free the
>> specified amount of memory, and then returns a boolean telling whether
>> it was successful. However, before doing that, it casts the desired
>> amount as a uint4, which limits the amount to 2147483647. If you're
>> trying to see if more than 2G of memory is available, that won't help.
>> And because modern operating systems will very happily exchange chunks
>> of memory out to swap files when necessary, it's unlikely that you'll
>> see the malloc fail, and thus you should see a "true" return value.
>> 
>> Are you doing something where you really need to see the actual free
>> ram without the swap/inactive memory? The "available" term here is a
>> bit ambiguous, and depends on your needs.
>> 
>> --
>> -Mark Wieder
>> ahsoftware at gmail.com
>> 
>> This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the National
>> Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not
>> consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any
>> related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting,
>> disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received
>> this communication in error, please delete it immediately.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Feb 27 19:55:48 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 00:55:48 +0000
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNZd2Xut0EAprFCXiYAjb9hrXkMeAHtTKtfGwC50WDGvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePBzJA_OCRbrrdUADFoL_N=b0AmxGxMPtzRaTwbfEdkDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8ucO4NmE8wPZJOOrE7Qe8WCcXfBLF685YoTuQ__f523k=hiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNZd2Xut0EAprFCXiYAjb9hrXkMeAHtTKtfGwC50WDGvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C53D17A-30ED-43AA-9E5B-C0101C51B043@iotecdigital.com>

I?d like to see phrases go quickly, and slight pauses where a comma is. It?s a little distracting having all the words come at the same speed. 

Bob


On Feb 27, 2014, at 14:54 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> OK, I couldn't resist! Some of it is pretty clumsy but it's a start.
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50196612/Spritzing.livecode
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> That's pretty amazing Thierry.
>>> It was easy to get my reading speed up to 400wpm.
>>> 
>>> Pete
>> 
>> It's because of your sqlitz-mind.
>> 
>> You can't imagine with my regexitz one :)
>> 
>> More seriously, I'm eager to see some real use of this...
>> in Livecode!!
>> 
>> Thierry
>> 
>> 
>>>> http://learn2spritz.com/
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------
>> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
>> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From andrew at ctech.me  Thu Feb 27 19:58:20 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 18:58:20 -0600
Subject: Finding available memory without shell, how to use hasMemory() -
	Found word(s) list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <37A06826-B9B0-45B0-8444-79C1A265A8CB@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CADJRyz165m1URWedKEwDusCSyAwze7HiwvnkeTgFQGp4O5Xc+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<114165672104.20140223180949@ahsoftware.net>
	<dc1f6b06-9cca-48b2-808b-fd8e862908d4@lists.runrev.com>
	<37A06826-B9B0-45B0-8444-79C1A265A8CB@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft9dh7LaVAHe+U5aioJmhz5BxRfQ9ww6nX7rU9XOa5rt+w@mail.gmail.com>

He's referring to system RAM here.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> Gabriel, if you are saving to the boot volume and getting dow to 100MB,
> this is a very serious matter. You should *never* go below 10 gigs on a
> modern boot driveIf the volume is being used for a swap file, it's not as
> serious but will affect performance. Just a heads up.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2014, at 11:21 , Gabriel Johnson <gwjapp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the responses. Yes, we are saving a 100+ MB data file to disk,
> > and when the free memory gets to be under 100 MB, saving to a standard
> hard
> > drive (not SSD) sometimes ends up taking a very long time (in Mac OS X),
> > making it appear to the user that the program has locked up. We have
> > contemplated going about this a different way, but the quickest fix for
> us
> > at the moment is to catch low memory situations.
> >
> > Mark: Yes, we need to know the amount of free ram (without counting the
> > swap/inactive memory).
> >
> >
> > Gabe Johnson
> > gwjapp at gmail.com
> > 603-978-9881
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Gabriel-
> >>
> >> Thursday, February 20, 2014, 11:07:59 AM, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey All,
> >>
> >>> I am working on a program where I need to know the amount of available
> >>> memory.
> >>
> >>> I'm running on OS X and hasMemory() appears to return true/false for
> the
> >>> same values regardless changes to free/available memory. Is there some
> >>> trick to getting hasMemory() to correspond with the actual available
> >>> memory? Is this possibly something that is being addressed in newer
> >>> versions of LiveCode?
> >>
> >> Ah, the curse of modern operating systems...
> >>
> >> What the hasMemory() function does is allocate and then free the
> >> specified amount of memory, and then returns a boolean telling whether
> >> it was successful. However, before doing that, it casts the desired
> >> amount as a uint4, which limits the amount to 2147483647. If you're
> >> trying to see if more than 2G of memory is available, that won't help.
> >> And because modern operating systems will very happily exchange chunks
> >> of memory out to swap files when necessary, it's unlikely that you'll
> >> see the malloc fail, and thus you should see a "true" return value.
> >>
> >> Are you doing something where you really need to see the actual free
> >> ram without the swap/inactive memory? The "available" term here is a
> >> bit ambiguous, and depends on your needs.
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Mark Wieder
> >> ahsoftware at gmail.com
> >>
> >> This communication may be unlawfully collected and stored by the
> National
> >> Security Agency (NSA) in secret. The parties to this email do not
> >> consent to the retrieving or storing of this communication and any
> >> related metadata, as well as printing, copying, re-transmitting,
> >> disseminating, or otherwise using it. If you believe you have received
> >> this communication in error, please delete it immediately.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
Regards,

Andrew Kluthe
andrew at ctech.me


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Feb 27 19:59:13 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 00:59:13 +0000
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQfHLzy7a_WmE8e7eVyByoacVamRxAt0368gSO9YSaor2esg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <530E1DB3.9040903@fourthworld.com>
	<530FCC97.8050605@fourthworld.com>
	<CAFmQfHLzy7a_WmE8e7eVyByoacVamRxAt0368gSO9YSaor2esg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <209C0078-BEF8-4BB4-8E7A-550DFBB589EE@iotecdigital.com>

Yeah Leo LaPorte is not thrilled with that whole deal either, and he recommends post production guys go with Adobe?s product. <Sigh> Feels like the fall of an empire. 

Bob


On Feb 27, 2014, at 16:12 , stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote:

> "like Lion and Mountain Lion, Mavericks doesn?t cost a thing. "
> 
> It costs a LOT if one can run 32 bit any more?  more bricks on the shelf.
> Maybe Apple can shut up for a while now that they've forced everyone to 64
> bit. It wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't tried to axe popular apps with
> completely new workflows. I have no feature in Mavericks that I would want
> except to enable newer software, like Final Cut Pro X - if I can endure the
> new workflow?.and there's no demo available, so I can't even check it out.
> It's supposed to be better now.
> 
> I'm still pissed about what happened to the REAL Final Cut Pro (7).
> 
> And Waveburner, their Brilliant bastard stepchild of a CD mastering
> software.  Never heard of it? Not surprised.  (it was bundled with Logic
> for years.) - no replacement offered. Those guys don't even know what
> "mastering" means any more. It's not about 'crunching' plugins, it's about
> workflow. Somebody that probably never used it made the decision.
> 
> I guess the main excuse is about the Carbon/Cocoa thing. They "knifed that
> baby" really good - and ignored and dismissed thousands of video
> professionals that depended on FCP.  It's the arrogance that ticks me off.
> Most went to Adobe Premiere, as Avid has even more downsides. Nobody's
> really happy.
> 
> 
> sqb
> 
> *--*
> *Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Richard Gaskin
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:
> 
>> Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by
>> upgrading to OS X 10.6:
>> 
>> Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as they
>> just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it:
>> 
>> 
>> Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The Dust
>> <http://readwrite.com/2014/02/27/apple-snow-leopard-support-osx-mac>
>> 
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Feb 27 19:59:59 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 00:59:59 +0000
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530FCC97.8050605@fourthworld.com>
References: <530E1DB3.9040903@fourthworld.com>
	<530FCC97.8050605@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1EAE829E-35AF-412D-AD68-401140582E4F@iotecdigital.com>

I wanted to upgrade a quad code Xeon Apple Server, but any attempt to do so results in ?You can?t do that!?

Bob


On Feb 27, 2014, at 15:39 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by upgrading to OS X 10.6:
> 
> Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as they just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it:
> 
> 
> Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The Dust
> <http://readwrite.com/2014/02/27/apple-snow-leopard-support-osx-mac>
> 
> 
> Snow Leopard was released on August 28, 2009, and was the last version of OS X that ran on 32-bit CPUs.
> 
> Sadly, this once-satirical comment about upgrades is increasingly relevant:
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Hk8hxjpnUiw#t=44>
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Feb 27 20:26:11 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 01:26:11 +0000
Subject: Filling PDF Forms - Found word(s) list error in the Text body
In-Reply-To: <4dfc71b8-5edd-47fd-bfa2-53c255be9584@lists.runrev.com>
References: <4dfc71b8-5edd-47fd-bfa2-53c255be9584@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <165C941E-1121-4CF7-B839-71E204042596@iotecdigital.com>

Just an update: You do NOT need Acrobat Pro for the forms to autofill! You DO need Acrobat Pro to create the FDF files in the first place. If you are tempted to try and use a CSV file (Acrobat Pro can after all Export to this format) don?t. The import ONLY works with FDF files.

Bob


On Feb 26, 2014, at 20:01 , Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com<mailto:bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>> wrote:

So instead of trying to piece together a demo stack of how I am filling PDF forms, I thought I would just write a (reasonable) short essay on how to.



From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Feb 27 20:38:51 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 17:38:51 -0800
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <4C53D17A-30ED-43AA-9E5B-C0101C51B043@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePBzJA_OCRbrrdUADFoL_N=b0AmxGxMPtzRaTwbfEdkDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8ucO4NmE8wPZJOOrE7Qe8WCcXfBLF685YoTuQ__f523k=hiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNZd2Xut0EAprFCXiYAjb9hrXkMeAHtTKtfGwC50WDGvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C53D17A-30ED-43AA-9E5B-C0101C51B043@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOqtWgnVXCjLu0bLVALFpTHsMfvF7o-Db5WpV6UK_-G7w@mail.gmail.com>

Feel free to fix it!

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> I'd like to see phrases go quickly, and slight pauses where a comma is.
> It's a little distracting having all the words come at the same speed.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2014, at 14:54 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > OK, I couldn't resist! Some of it is pretty clumsy but it's a start.
> >
> > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50196612/Spritzing.livecode
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>> That's pretty amazing Thierry.
> >>> It was easy to get my reading speed up to 400wpm.
> >>>
> >>> Pete
> >>
> >> It's because of your sqlitz-mind.
> >>
> >> You can't imagine with my regexitz one :)
> >>
> >> More seriously, I'm eager to see some real use of this...
> >> in Livecode!!
> >>
> >> Thierry
> >>
> >>
> >>>> http://learn2spritz.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------
> >> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> >> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 22:11:34 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:11:34 +0800
Subject: For List Members Only
In-Reply-To: <CF350EBA.3BED5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CF350EBA.3BED5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5khecaRAXS92PkGK6t+NpAS1KuXQq7_jD37hrpmySZEYEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Clearly this was from a non-List member.

http://www.funnywebsite.com/funny-website/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/entertaining-cheese.jpg

>From now on we should send List applicants to this store first. Anyone who
can't last 3.75 hours should be given a serious XTalking to and sent on
their way;-)


From smudge.andy at googlemail.com  Fri Feb 28 06:02:34 2014
From: smudge.andy at googlemail.com (AndyP)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 03:02:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNZd2Xut0EAprFCXiYAjb9hrXkMeAHtTKtfGwC50WDGvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePBzJA_OCRbrrdUADFoL_N=b0AmxGxMPtzRaTwbfEdkDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8ucO4NmE8wPZJOOrE7Qe8WCcXfBLF685YoTuQ__f523k=hiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNZd2Xut0EAprFCXiYAjb9hrXkMeAHtTKtfGwC50WDGvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1393585354353-4676582.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Peter,

Like it! well done. 
I wonder what technology from Spritz is patent pending? 




-----
Andy Piddock 


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

Copy the new cloud space, get your free 15GB space now:
Get Copy 


Your LiveCode Work Desks - New Blog
http://livecodemydesk.blogspot.de/  

PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / finder.
http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
--
View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-stop-scrolling-text-Spritz-tp4676554p4676582.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Fri Feb 28 07:11:51 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:11:51 +0000
Subject: Scrolling speed of a data grid
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5ki6WSq_iwVuR0+uf+VNdV5Y9chmje45TOnV39U3vtYC1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7501621-4139-4962-AE9E-B7714A74DBE1@btinternet.com>
	<F83D473A-F48D-40D0-AD8F-314187C49F63@verizon.net>
	<EDAEB841-3991-44AC-8018-76F96FC83010@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8STt_Ucj6fKy4Krygks0eJmfMXBOj69jrcfo8iBugHSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<6D86AEC7-E122-48C1-B418-125BB6CC117F@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG-o-Av5yd1yJPxEbnhxdffP_0vRFj1KmkMFWhd70Ov+tA@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E5F2E0-5AAB-4F58-B8DD-050816646303@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8NJLdxeF-9F569npRVQ40mtnu5XBB0usMyxNe4DPuHHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<694FDF6A-785F-4239-A633-AD32DF0D0D86@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG86W_3mJhz33xy4PGKAzYP8Oz0s__t5fzw9-PXm1LcKpQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<60712794-8FD4-4CD9-983A-2B787BF3C5E4@btinternet.com>
	<CAHg3tG8qWhWvk9Kcga3YLM5LWqYGgSfqdoFZbXESJaoMbbNHDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A1B05D1-DB48-4640-B223-C19A11EC31AC@btinternet.com>
	<CA+uh5ki6WSq_iwVuR0+uf+VNdV5Y9chmje45TOnV39U3vtYC1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FFC2EA2A-F040-42FD-98FD-63B8B27A1235@btinternet.com>

Must have messed up somewhere.

repeatRate Seems OK now.

The speed is still sluggish though irrespective of the setting.

All the best

Terry




On 27 Feb 2014, at 21:27, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> New stack, new btn:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   set the repeatRate to 20
> end mouseUp
> 
> Press the btn and in the msg box 'put the repeatRate' I get 20.
> 
> If I Quit LC, restart it and open my New stack and 'put the repeatRate' in
> the msg box I get 50. Press the btn I get 20.
> 
> If you get 1 before you even open a stack, then a plugin might be setting
> it.
> 
> If you get 1 ater you open a stack then I'd be doing a global search for
> 'repeatRate' which I assume will be in an [pre]open[stack/card] handler
> somewhere.
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From livfoss at mac.com  Fri Feb 28 07:45:38 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:45:38 +0100
Subject: Strange behavior of the IDE?
In-Reply-To: <5EAC4D92-1040-4967-8B10-DD96896D1A49@mac.com>
References: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
	<CA+uh5khzbxZf76XWNyQpxv6spfLfKm9yGAUMUfSRgNc1Eb1OkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5EAC4D92-1040-4967-8B10-DD96896D1A49@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7F65E2C2-0886-4435-A2B2-CE8EC2C243FF@mac.com>

Just in case anyone is interested in this topic:

1. I reported it as a bug and it's been accepted (11861).

2. It looks like my error, which triggered the IDE issue, was probably this statement:

  put @ into t1

where I had meant to write

  put "@" into t1

The "@" character has some meaning to LC - from the Dictionary:

> The character @ (at sign) is used with a parameter declaration, to indicate that a reference to the parameter is passed instead of its value.

Seems to be way outside any conceivably correct context. Ah well.

Just FYI

Graham

On 27 Feb 2014, at 23:59, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> Kay, thanks to you and everyone who replied. I see that your technique will isolate the issue, since I suppose logically it must be in my code. It's extraordinary though that the IDE just caves in in certain circumstances without any form of error report when the program is obviously running wild (after all, it's interpreted... but let's not get too deeply into that). Let's hope future versions of the IDE will be a bit more helpful. Meanwhile I will take the advice I've been given.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Graham
> On 27 Feb 2014, at 23:08, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
>>> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it apply.
>>> 
>>> As stated there is a syntax/logic error in the function. As Peter said put
>> a hard breakpoint as line 1 of the function, then comment out every other
>> line. You will now be able to step into the function - which proves there
>> is a problem within it*. Then systematically uncomment 50% of the commented
>> code. You should be able to quickly locate where the offending line is once
>> you are able to actually step into your function.
>> 
>> * On very rare occasions, I'm pretty sure associated with copying and
>> pasting code from online, I've had functions or scripts that don't behave
>> as they should. In this case I've cut the function/handler, or in extreme
>> cases the entire script out and pasted it into a text editor -
>> TextWrangleran excellent free one for Mac. I 'Apply' and Saved the
>> stack with the
>> offending piece missing. I then use BBEdit's (TextWranglers big brother)
>> Zap Gremlins function to remove all non ASCII, ASCII control and ASCII null
>> values. I then reinsert the code which is now plain vanilla text, 'Apply'
>> then save and things return to normal.
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb 28 11:41:16 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 08:41:16 -0800
Subject: Strange behavior of the IDE?
In-Reply-To: <7F65E2C2-0886-4435-A2B2-CE8EC2C243FF@mac.com>
References: <96E21C29-1903-420F-B699-85558795EE4A@mac.com>
	<CA+uh5khzbxZf76XWNyQpxv6spfLfKm9yGAUMUfSRgNc1Eb1OkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5EAC4D92-1040-4967-8B10-DD96896D1A49@mac.com>
	<7F65E2C2-0886-4435-A2B2-CE8EC2C243FF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNuE4yL9-xvDXSEABVFbc=YAvk_Y5oGMZ9Zqbt7_jKhtg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Graham, good you found the source of the problem.

I can't resist putting in a plug for using Strict Compilation mode (Script
Editor tab of Preferences).  It's saved my bacon many a time since I
started using it and would have caught the unquoted @ sign during
compilation, saving you several hours of time and frustration :-)

It can be a pain switching an existing stack over to strict compilation
mode but I have a stack that helps by inserting local declarations, putting
quotes round things that need them and checking for possible misspellings
of variable names.  If you'd like a copy, contact me off list and I'll send
it to you.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 4:45 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> Just in case anyone is interested in this topic:
>
> 1. I reported it as a bug and it's been accepted (11861).
>
> 2. It looks like my error, which triggered the IDE issue, was probably
> this statement:
>
>   put @ into t1
>
> where I had meant to write
>
>   put "@" into t1
>
> The "@" character has some meaning to LC - from the Dictionary:
>
> > The character @ (at sign) is used with a parameter declaration, to
> indicate that a reference to the parameter is passed instead of its value.
>
> Seems to be way outside any conceivably correct context. Ah well.
>
> Just FYI
>
> Graham
>
> On 27 Feb 2014, at 23:59, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
>
> > Kay, thanks to you and everyone who replied. I see that your technique
> will isolate the issue, since I suppose logically it must be in my code.
> It's extraordinary though that the IDE just caves in in certain
> circumstances without any form of error report when the program is
> obviously running wild (after all, it's interpreted... but let's not get
> too deeply into that). Let's hope future versions of the IDE will be a bit
> more helpful. Meanwhile I will take the advice I've been given.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Graham
> > On 27 Feb 2014, at 23:08, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The first line of the function has a breakpoint in it, but as soon as
> >>> execution moves to the function, none of the breakpoints within it
> apply.
> >>>
> >>> As stated there is a syntax/logic error in the function. As Peter said
> put
> >> a hard breakpoint as line 1 of the function, then comment out every
> other
> >> line. You will now be able to step into the function - which proves
> there
> >> is a problem within it*. Then systematically uncomment 50% of the
> commented
> >> code. You should be able to quickly locate where the offending line is
> once
> >> you are able to actually step into your function.
> >>
> >> * On very rare occasions, I'm pretty sure associated with copying and
> >> pasting code from online, I've had functions or scripts that don't
> behave
> >> as they should. In this case I've cut the function/handler, or in
> extreme
> >> cases the entire script out and pasted it into a text editor -
> >> TextWrangleran excellent free one for Mac. I 'Apply' and Saved the
> >> stack with the
> >> offending piece missing. I then use BBEdit's (TextWranglers big brother)
> >> Zap Gremlins function to remove all non ASCII, ASCII control and ASCII
> null
> >> values. I then reinsert the code which is now plain vanilla text,
> 'Apply'
> >> then save and things return to normal.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 12:51:26 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:51:26 -0500
Subject: Editing the style(s) of text in a field.
In-Reply-To: <530E88C5.7080102@tweedly.net>
References: <530E6FAA.40006@tweedly.net> <530E7943.9000904@hyperactivesw.com>
	<530E88C5.7080102@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <E681875E-C881-4155-A467-D877A0413517@gmail.com>

On Feb 26, 2014, at 7:37 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> I guess the code will just have to iterate through the chars and change them.
>   (oops no, just tried that and it's too slow. I guess the code will need to scan through the chars and change each sub-chunk)

There was a handler posted here not too long ago to increase or decrease the textsize of a field. It could be adapted to operate on chunks of a field.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

----------------

on bumpTextSize theObject,theDirection
   -- increases the textsize of the entire text of any field,
   -- even if the field has varying textsizes already.
   --    theObject = a full object reference, eg, the long id
   --    theDirection = +1 or -1
   -- thanks to Michael Doub and Malte Brill
   
   if theDirection is not among the items of "1,-1" then exit bumpTextSize
   put the htmlText of theObject into theHtml
   replace "size="&quote with "size="&numtoChar(1500) in theHTML
   set the itemdel to numToChar(1500)
   if the number of items of theHTML<>1 then
      put 0 into itemCount
      repeat for each item theItem in theHTML
         add 1 to itemCount
         if itemCount=1 then
            put theItem into newHTML
            next repeat
         end if
         put 1 into counter
         put offset (">", theItem) into tClose
         put offset ("<" , theItem) into tOpen
         if tClose <> 0 then -- found it
            if tOpen <> 0 and tOpen > tClose then
               -- found "<" and after ">" this is ok
               repeat forever
                  add 1 to counter
                  if char counter of theItem=quote then exit repeat
               end repeat
               put char 1 to counter-1 of theItem into theSize
               put theSize + theDirection into theSize
               put theSize into char 1 to counter-1 of theItem
            end if
         end if
         put quote&theItem after newHTML
      end repeat
      set the htmlText of theObject to newHTML
   end if
   set the textSize of theObject to \
         the effective textSize of theObject + theDirection
end bumpTextSize




From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 14:08:38 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:08:38 -0500
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76F8A8C4-3E21-4918-B04F-EDF8A08CAFF2@gmail.com>

Had my sleeves up for less than half an hour?

go url "https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3504108/SpritzTest.livecode"

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Feb 27, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Thierry Douez wrote:

> Sleeves up designers :)
> 
> http://learn2spritz.com/
> 
> 
> Thierry
> 
> ------------------------------------------------
> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Fri Feb 28 14:13:01 2014
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 11:13:01 -0800
Subject: CSS Help
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1393585201.31933.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1393585201.31933.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5071CE87-288F-484D-8182-BE724A951412@clearvisiontech.com>

Hello!

I know this isn't LC related, but this group contains some of the smartest minds I know!  Anyone here a CSS master?  I've got a page almost there, but am stuck and need some assistance.


-Dan


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 14:18:35 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:18:35 -0500
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <4C53D17A-30ED-43AA-9E5B-C0101C51B043@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePBzJA_OCRbrrdUADFoL_N=b0AmxGxMPtzRaTwbfEdkDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO8ucO4NmE8wPZJOOrE7Qe8WCcXfBLF685YoTuQ__f523k=hiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNZd2Xut0EAprFCXiYAjb9hrXkMeAHtTKtfGwC50WDGvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C53D17A-30ED-43AA-9E5B-C0101C51B043@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <55736177-5E0B-4654-82FC-B0D9E2FCE57D@gmail.com>

Before reading your comment, Bob, I had the same idea, and it's implemented in my version, at least re punctuation. Phrases would be a bit harder.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Feb 27, 2014, at 7:55 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> I?d like to see phrases go quickly, and slight pauses where a comma is. It?s a little distracting having all the words come at the same speed. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Feb 27, 2014, at 14:54 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
>> OK, I couldn't resist! Some of it is pretty clumsy but it's a start.
>> 
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50196612/Spritzing.livecode
>> 
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Thierry Douez <th.douez at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> That's pretty amazing Thierry.
>>>> It was easy to get my reading speed up to 400wpm.
>>>> 
>>>> Pete
>>> 
>>> It's because of your sqlitz-mind.
>>> 
>>> You can't imagine with my regexitz one :)
>>> 
>>> More seriously, I'm eager to see some real use of this...
>>> in Livecode!!
>>> 
>>> Thierry
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> http://learn2spritz.com/



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 14:25:01 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 14:25:01 -0500
Subject: Support for Mac OSX 10.5
In-Reply-To: <530FCC97.8050605@fourthworld.com>
References: <530E1DB3.9040903@fourthworld.com>
	<530FCC97.8050605@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA5C5F58-4C3A-4F65-AB0E-B18E7866913D@gmail.com>

On Feb 27, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Sadly, this once-satirical comment about upgrades is increasingly relevant:
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Hk8hxjpnUiw#t=44>

There are two definitions of upgrade:

Upgrade, n. In software, a new version of an application that
introduces features you don't need and removes features you use all
the time.

Upgrade, n. In software, a new version of an application with a new set
of bugs that are even more unexpected and serious than the ones the
user has been accustomed to.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig



From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb 28 15:33:55 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 12:33:55 -0800
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <76F8A8C4-3E21-4918-B04F-EDF8A08CAFF2@gmail.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<76F8A8C4-3E21-4918-B04F-EDF8A08CAFF2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNuwfoUZTassDaohEYVGqXWSEY4m0QatMC8tPX0Gp9K5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,
Like the slider to pick a speed!  I added a pause feature to mine this
morning, along with resuming from where you left off.

I based mine on the web site that Thierry posted.  I think the design of
the redicle (with one letter always being colored red and positioned under
the vertical bars) is an integral part of their method.  That was the
hardest part to figure out!

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> Had my sleeves up for less than half an hour...
>
> go url "https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3504108/SpritzTest.livecode"
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
> On Feb 27, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Thierry Douez wrote:
>
> > Sleeves up designers :)
> >
> > http://learn2spritz.com/
> >
> >
> > Thierry
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
> > Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 16:15:27 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 16:15:27 -0500
Subject: [OT] stop scrolling text - Spritz
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNuwfoUZTassDaohEYVGqXWSEY4m0QatMC8tPX0Gp9K5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8ucO6U=Y8wr40dGC5icOk2r7ZQvEoL9V6Ff8y0pvmryJDeUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<76F8A8C4-3E21-4918-B04F-EDF8A08CAFF2@gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNuwfoUZTassDaohEYVGqXWSEY4m0QatMC8tPX0Gp9K5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7D68490C-AC82-4DDA-82B8-8C2DF57A205F@gmail.com>

OK, my version is updated with the bars above and below the spritz field, and the center character in red. I used a monospaced font so the red center letter remains centered. I added a display of the effective reading speed (words/min) as well.

go url "https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3504108/SpritzTest.livecode"

Dueling apps!

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig

On Feb 28, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> Like the slider to pick a speed!  I added a pause feature to mine this
> morning, along with resuming from where you left off.
> 
> I based mine on the web site that Thierry posted.  I think the design of
> the redicle (with one letter always being colored red and positioned under
> the vertical bars) is an integral part of their method.  That was the
> hardest part to figure out!
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Had my sleeves up for less than half an hour...
>> 
>> go url "https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3504108/SpritzTest.livecode"
>> 
>> -- Peter
>> 
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>> 
>> On Feb 27, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Thierry Douez wrote:
>> 
>>> Sleeves up designers :)
>>> 
>>> http://learn2spritz.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thierry
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Thierry Douez - http://sunny-tdz.com
>>> Maker of sunnYperl - sunnYmidi - sunnYmage - sunnYpdf
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Feb 28 16:35:21 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 16:35:21 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <E09DE573-F496-40B8-AC0F-F84EFD405DAD@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com>
	<E09DE573-F496-40B8-AC0F-F84EFD405DAD@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycPG5BHnijYqrXfh2=xweuY7Bs-44UEsOPLwH+DL+4fvUw@mail.gmail.com>

here's another one:  when debugging, how about putting variables in a
separate window so they aren't competing for scarce vertical space with the
script?


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Bob Sneidar
<bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:

> GLX2 used to do this if I recall, and so did Remo. I wonder if the code is
> still there somewhere?
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2014, at 13:38 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 16/02/14 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote:
> >> I'd vote for that one.  And while we're talking Script editor changes,
> how
> >> about split screen (horizontally) display and perhaps the ability to
> move
> >> tabs around.
> >
> > It would be very useful if one could see two scripts, either
> side-by-side or above each other, simultaneously.
> >
> > Richmond.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Feb 28 16:53:12 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 13:53:12 -0800
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CADCoycPG5BHnijYqrXfh2=xweuY7Bs-44UEsOPLwH+DL+4fvUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com>
	<E09DE573-F496-40B8-AC0F-F84EFD405DAD@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycPG5BHnijYqrXfh2=xweuY7Bs-44UEsOPLwH+DL+4fvUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMVHzYtCO2=eRacF6GaqrZ3LsXWBUGioi_2+V7t2zJJZA@mail.gmail.com>

+1 from me on that one.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:

> here's another one:  when debugging, how about putting variables in a
> separate window so they aren't competing for scarce vertical space with the
> script?
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Bob Sneidar
> <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>wrote:
>
> > GLX2 used to do this if I recall, and so did Remo. I wonder if the code
> is
> > still there somewhere?
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On Feb 16, 2014, at 13:38 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On 16/02/14 23:17, Peter Haworth wrote:
> > >> I'd vote for that one.  And while we're talking Script editor changes,
> > how
> > >> about split screen (horizontally) display and perhaps the ability to
> > move
> > >> tabs around.
> > >
> > > It would be very useful if one could see two scripts, either
> > side-by-side or above each other, simultaneously.
> > >
> > > Richmond.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >
>
>
>
> --
> On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
> On the second day, God created the oceans.
> On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
>    and did a little diving.
> And God said, "This is good."
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Feb 28 18:04:06 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 17:04:06 -0600
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMVHzYtCO2=eRacF6GaqrZ3LsXWBUGioi_2+V7t2zJJZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>	<53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com>	<E09DE573-F496-40B8-AC0F-F84EFD405DAD@iotecdigital.com>	<CADCoycPG5BHnijYqrXfh2=xweuY7Bs-44UEsOPLwH+DL+4fvUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMVHzYtCO2=eRacF6GaqrZ3LsXWBUGioi_2+V7t2zJJZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <531115E6.6050903@hyperactivesw.com>

You'll have to fight with the "why isn't everything in a single window" 
crowd. But anyway, I asked for a detachable variable watcher a long time 
ago. I think I may have put in a feature request for it but I may have 
just talked to someone about it. It was a long time ago.

On 2/28/14, 3:53 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
> +1 from me on that one.
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>wrote:
>
>> here's another one:  when debugging, how about putting variables in a
>> separate window so they aren't competing for scarce vertical space with the
>> script?


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From shawnlivecode at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 19:55:56 2014
From: shawnlivecode at gmail.com (Shawn Blc)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 18:55:56 -0600
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <531115E6.6050903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com>
	<E09DE573-F496-40B8-AC0F-F84EFD405DAD@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycPG5BHnijYqrXfh2=xweuY7Bs-44UEsOPLwH+DL+4fvUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMVHzYtCO2=eRacF6GaqrZ3LsXWBUGioi_2+V7t2zJJZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<531115E6.6050903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAOc-ndbRcDXJvppwQ8UaEyQ6h98cHZm7TP+OS0_BAy20O14Sug@mail.gmail.com>

I'm all for backing another crowd sourcing, as long as the features are
attainable within X amount of time and there's a list of said features
before hand.   I like some of the ideas put forth before me.  +1


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 5:04 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> You'll have to fight with the "why isn't everything in a single window"
> crowd. But anyway, I asked for a detachable variable watcher a long time
> ago. I think I may have put in a feature request for it but I may have just
> talked to someone about it. It was a long time ago.
>
>
> On 2/28/14, 3:53 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> +1 from me on that one.
>>
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  here's another one:  when debugging, how about putting variables in a
>>> separate window so they aren't competing for scarce vertical space with
>>> the
>>> script?
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>


From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Fri Feb 28 22:25:06 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 22:25:06 -0500
Subject: Crowd Funding Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <531115E6.6050903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CA+uh5kj3y1pZqNvB2_2aiyKe-622GqF2b5hWKp9SMuT8Ubovog@mail.gmail.com>
	<52FA412B.9070309@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kh1M0-O6r_CEaHRUOruANHt--7vVmDjKrPzYFhC=URuqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADCoycO6N=tQ3HsVPPWo7rLdW3FwMkfWNSYbV8BsEExAG2jwCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eM1dXOp5M0Trtj6eHVZZB_q50gs1iOeFyv-c-SoJjQ9gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<53012FF2.4080006@gmail.com>
	<E09DE573-F496-40B8-AC0F-F84EFD405DAD@iotecdigital.com>
	<CADCoycPG5BHnijYqrXfh2=xweuY7Bs-44UEsOPLwH+DL+4fvUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eMVHzYtCO2=eRacF6GaqrZ3LsXWBUGioi_2+V7t2zJJZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<531115E6.6050903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CADCoycO6bxTiR4Pzvyyyetrq5BqGs8+gEqb6Bq4nyCCN=H6MXw@mail.gmail.com>

There are times when one window to rule them all is great, and there are
times, like today, when it is so not so great.


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:04 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>wrote:

> You'll have to fight with the "why isn't everything in a single window"
> crowd. But anyway, I asked for a detachable variable watcher a long time
> ago. I think I may have put in a feature request for it but I may have just
> talked to someone about it. It was a long time ago.
>
>
> On 2/28/14, 3:53 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
>> +1 from me on that one.
>>
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Mike Kerner <MikeKerner at roadrunner.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  here's another one:  when debugging, how about putting variables in a
>>> separate window so they aren't competing for scarce vertical space with
>>> the
>>> script?
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>



-- 
On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth
On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."