From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 00:39:54 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:39:54 +0800
Subject: [OT] baby
In-Reply-To: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjs-h4zHzurnDUSKB6gGJ0qtut7Kq6bWHnCOTr7zCnV2A@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com
> wrote:

>  Rebecca(mum) and Sarah(bub) are doing well
>

Monte, that's a strange naming convention: Rebecca(GM) and Sarah(rc4) would
be more LC like but I guess it must be a Taswegian thing ;-)

Congratulations!


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 00:53:35 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:53:35 +0800
Subject: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>
References: <5461233B.3070603@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kgWYqq=BTPpQBpPDvgV8iMZ9bSCvstds8G2sBggjPrSKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54664B2B.3060501@cogapp.com> <546671E4.8070106@hindu.org>
	<54692F12.5070907@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5ki9xb3Rogfq3Mhg1dRG_2RWf=eiumjMyYpX876y7Tumbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<546A6937.7040306@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5khpUH31cvbRwujfptUaf5V7G6pRtU=s_34qTfNVhqmNKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FD43748-66D6-4686-ADB1-06E091D6E930@byu.edu>
	<5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Brahmanathaswami <brahma at hindu.org> wrote:

> Done:
>
> https://github.com/Brahmanathaswami/LiveCode-BBEdit-Language-Module
>
> a public repository.
>
>
> Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> So after the confusion, is there now a separate github account set up for
>> the BBEdit-LiveCode language module? I?m looking for it but can?t find it.
>>
>> Devin
>>
>
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From ebeugelaar at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 02:15:25 2014
From: ebeugelaar at gmail.com (Erik Beugelaar)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 08:15:25 +0100
Subject: [OT] baby
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjs-h4zHzurnDUSKB6gGJ0qtut7Kq6bWHnCOTr7zCnV2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CA+uh5kjs-h4zHzurnDUSKB6gGJ0qtut7Kq6bWHnCOTr7zCnV2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0A1D3E8.1AF38%ebeugelaar@gmail.com>

Congratulations!!!

Erik




On 01/12/14 06:39, "Kay C Lan" <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Monte Goulding
><monte at sweattechnologies.com
>> wrote:
>
>>  Rebecca(mum) and Sarah(bub) are doing well
>>
>
>Monte, that's a strange naming convention: Rebecca(GM) and Sarah(rc4)
>would
>be more LC like but I guess it must be a Taswegian thing ;-)
>
>Congratulations!
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Mon Dec  1 06:35:27 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 03:35:27 -0800
Subject: Request for feedback
In-Reply-To: <D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>

Thanks Terry,

Glad it was just an easy property I missed.

- e



> On Nov 30, 2014, at 18:55, Terry Judd <terry.judd at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric - I think you can probably get what you want as far as the first
> part of your request goes by fiddling with the textShift property. Set
> your textsize first, then your textHeight and then set the textShift to
> something like -20 (+ or - a bit) ? i.e. (set the textShift of char 1 to
> -1 of fld x to y ? and you should be almost there.
> 
> Terry...
> 
>> On 1/12/2014 1:05 pm, "Eric Corbett" <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I too would like to see some added field capabilities. What I want is a
>> textSize of 17, a fixedLineHeight at 52, horizontal lines, and the text
>> centered between the top and bottom lines.
>> 
>> Is there a way to do this that I am not finding through extensive
>> research? I don't want a custom control, I want one field. I'm sure I
>> missed something simple, right?
>> 
>> Do the properties you list account for adding this behavior?
>> 
>> Additionally,  I would like to specify that the horizontal lines start at
>> item 1 of the margins; or I want to specific a beginning and end point.
>> 
>> Am I dreaming?
>> 
>> - eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> 
>>> Thanks You! I'm a + 1 on this. We need to be able to reliably calculate
>>> field/line geometry especially on mobile. I've been wrestling getting
>>> this
>>> correct since the new field object was introduced. I have 2 related
>>> bugs on
>>> this: http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12176 and
>>> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13551
>>> 
>>> It looks like you have all the bases covered. Let's see when RR and
>>> anybody
>>> into the sources has to offer on this. Button labels should have this
>>> property also.
>>> 
>>> Ralph DiMola
>>> IT Director
>>> Evergreen Information Services
>>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Michael Doub
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:57 AM
>>> To: How To use LiveCode use LiveCode
>>> Subject: Request for feedback
>>> 
>>> I would like the lists assistance in flushing out a enhancement request
>>> proposal that I would like to make to the development team. Because of
>>> a bug
>>> in the pageranges function where it did not take into account the
>>> spaceabove
>>> and spacebelow properties, i attempted to do this manually.
>>> I quickly learned that there is no easy way to understand where a line
>>> is
>>> actually wrapped.  I was using the formatted size functions measuring
>>> each
>>> character and run and getting different answers when measuring the same
>>> text.  This was attributed to kerning and letter spacing issues by the
>>> support folks.  This was not a very satisfying answer.
>>> 
>>> After working on this for several weeks, I have come to the conclusion
>>> that
>>> we can not accurately reproduce the algorithms of the field object with
>>> the
>>> current tools available to us.  I would loved to be proven wrong here,
>>> but I
>>> threw in the towel and starting thinking about the the information that
>>> is
>>> really needed to understand what is actually being displayed within a
>>> field.
>>> 
>>> I am proposing that a property or function be added to livecode field
>>> object.  It would be similar to styled text, but it would provide a
>>> PERFECT
>>> representation of what is being displayed within a field.  The structure
>>> returned would include all attributes needed to understand exactly how a
>>> field is laid out and how the text was flowed within the field.
>>> 
>>> For the purposes of this discussion a field is made up of lines.
>>> A line is a string terminated by a return.  A line is made up of
>>> softlines.
>>> A line may contain a single softline or multiple softlines.
>>> A softline is single row of text that fits in the visual area within
>>> the 
>>> field.  SoftLines are made up of runs as defined in styledtext.   A tab
>>> character is considered a run.
>>> 
>>> Ok to be clear, a softline is each segment of a line that was wrapped
>>> to fit
>>> in to the field.  ;-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> put the formatedStyledAttributes of fld "foo" into rArray
>>> 
>>> rArray:
>>>    "height":
>>>    "width":
>>>    "dontwrap":
>>>    "borderwidth":
>>>    "leftMargin":
>>>    "topMargin":
>>>    "rightMargin":
>>>    "bottomMargin":
>>>    [line_Nbr] --  a number for each string terminated by a return
>>>        "borderwidth":
>>>        "leftIndent":
>>>        "rightIndent":
>>>        "padding":
>>>        "spaceAbove":
>>>        "spaceBelow":
>>>        [softline_number]  -- this the segment of the line on a row
>>> within a field
>>>            "MaxformattedHeight":  -- of the softline including all runs
>>>            "MaxformattedWidth":   -- of the softline including all runs
>>>            "leftIndent":
>>>            "firstIndent":  -- only applicable to the first segment of
>>> a paragraph
>>>            "rightIndent":
>>>            "padding":
>>>            [run_number]      -- this is the run within the soft line
>>>                                       -- a tab character is considered
>>> a run
>>>                "textSize":
>>>                "textFont":
>>>                "textStyle":
>>>                "text":
>>>                formattedHeight:
>>>                formattedWidth: -- when text = tab, this is the length
>>> of space
>>>                                           -- allocated to the tab
>>>            [run_number + 1]
>>>        [softline_number + 1]
>>>    [pgh_Nbr + 1]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I added the MaxFormatted Height/Width so it would be easer to calculate
>>> the scroll positions.  A function that would tell you the softline
>>> number of a given chunk would also be a huge help.
>>> 
>>> I look forward to hearing your comments about this proposal.   I am
>>> specifically looking for suggestions on how lists should be handled.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>>  Mike
>>> 
>>> 
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Dec  1 08:27:50 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 05:27:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Request for feedback
In-Reply-To: <BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi,

if you want to set the textShift dynamically you could this:

-------------------------------------------------------
   put the long id of field "fFour" into tLID -- change name of field
   -- calculate a textshift depending on the textHeight and textSize
   put the effective textHeight of tLID into tTextHeight
   put the effective textSize of tLID into tTextSize
   put tTextHeight div 2 into tHalfTextHeight
   put tTextSize div 2 into tHalfAscend
   put  (tHalfTextHeight - tHalfAscend) * -1 into tShift
   set the textShift of line 1 to - 1 of tLID to tShift
--------------------------------------------------------

measureText would give you additional information about descend, if you want
to get fancy.

Kind regards
Bernd



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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon Dec  1 09:26:57 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:26:57 +0100
Subject: Menu anomaly
Message-ID: <DCD63E9C-E552-46E5-A15F-7B7DFBE9ED3C@mac.com>

I?ve got an app made with LC7 rc2 running on a Mac (Yosemite), which sets up a menu for a mainstack, opens a few palettes and waits for user input. If I click on any menu at this point, I see the menu pulldown list and can apparently select menu items, but none of them activate (they are not greyed out). This applies to the whole menu bar including the ?About? item which of course has been moved by the engine. As soon as I click anywhere on the mainstack window, the menus become active again.

I thought that maybe there was another mainstack floating around (this is a ?splash? design, so there are two mainstacks, the splash screen stack and the data stack which it invokes). But this splash screen is not visible, and furthermore the last line of script before the program stops to wait for user input is a ?goto? to the main data stack. What I see on the screen seems to show that a palette is active - but OTOH the mainstack doesn?t seem to be inactive either.

Can anyone suggest what is happening? Should it be possible for a menubar to be visible (and not greyed out) and yet none of the menu items function? Could it be a bug in LC7?

TIA

Graham


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Dec  1 09:45:17 2014
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:45:17 -0500
Subject: Can't Start LiveCode Server Under Yosemite
Message-ID: <80CC890A-EFC6-4BE9-9850-58BFA3DF3CFF@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

I can?t seem to get LiveCode server working under Yosemite. I followed Peter Wood?s suggestion and modified the httpd.conf file as follows, where the path to LiveCode server is ?Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables?.

<IfModule alias_module>
		ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/ "Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/"
	</IfModule>

	<Directory "Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables">
  		Options +ExecCGI
	</Directory>

	<IfModule mime_module>
		AddHandler lcscript .lc
 		Action lcscript /livecode-cgi/livecode-server
	</IfModule>

I have LiveCode server 5.0.2 installed.

When I enter localhost in Safari, I get an error message saying that Safari cannot connect to the server.

Any advice would be most appreciated,

Gregory


From hello at simonsmith.co  Mon Dec  1 09:59:09 2014
From: hello at simonsmith.co (Simon Smith)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 16:59:09 +0200
Subject: Can't Start LiveCode Server Under Yosemite
In-Reply-To: <80CC890A-EFC6-4BE9-9850-58BFA3DF3CFF@videotron.ca>
References: <80CC890A-EFC6-4BE9-9850-58BFA3DF3CFF@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CAEQVtqWUZbyxOCiVKHo_kp1ySdXd_C_kdkktE=WBXgGJRHBNSw@mail.gmail.com>

If it's saying that it cannot connect to the server, I would guess that
apache is not running.

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I can?t seem to get LiveCode server working under Yosemite. I followed
> Peter Wood?s suggestion and modified the httpd.conf file as follows, where
> the path to LiveCode server is ?Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables?.
>
> <IfModule alias_module>
>                 ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/
> "Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/"
>         </IfModule>
>
>         <Directory "Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables">
>                 Options +ExecCGI
>         </Directory>
>
>         <IfModule mime_module>
>                 AddHandler lcscript .lc
>                 Action lcscript /livecode-cgi/livecode-server
>         </IfModule>
>
> I have LiveCode server 5.0.2 installed.
>
> When I enter localhost in Safari, I get an error message saying that
> Safari cannot connect to the server.
>
> Any advice would be most appreciated,
>
> Gregory
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 12:28:42 2014
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi))
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:28:42 +0000
Subject: datagrid form not scrolling
In-Reply-To: <CA+S82DqtDhc_-gSRteayH_5eZHtqSa=PGuLXihGZUpXZfyaH8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+S82DqtDhc_-gSRteayH_5eZHtqSa=PGuLXihGZUpXZfyaH8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSS-uFpS073tMjPaD1MHdWLai1s3UN3Kjd=SSxu-zvN_2A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Matt,

That's pretty :)
How did you create the data grid template. Which version of LC (I can see
it's on Windows)? Can you take a screenshot of the Project Browser with the
Data Grid Template expanded out to display all of its contents. This will
help us see how it is layering up. Have you tried pressing the 'Refresh
Data Grid' button in the inspector?

Hope we can help

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On 30 November 2014 at 17:15, Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got one datagrid (form) that never scrolled like it should have, and
> another that always did, but suddenly stopped. There's a picture of the
> shenanigans here
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22132&p=114336#p114336
>
> It's like the rows and content I'm filling it with are being put into a
> layer on top of the default drawing of an empty datagrid. So the content is
> there, but the border and scrollbar are attached to something else that
> didn't get any content. Is this a problem with the nested groups that a
> datagrid is made out of?
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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Dec  1 13:31:50 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:31:50 -0800
Subject: Behaviors not behaving
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eP4LdxL-_kp3HnTZBAS8mdwa2Ga93iFwypf7VFpLz2Puw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on a system that consists of a plugin, a library stack file and
a stack file containing buttons with behavior scripts.

The plugin creates an application stack file plus various controls within
it that have their behaviors set to the buttons in the behavior stack file.

Since the behaviors are not in the application stack file, I set the
stackFiles property of the application stack to have an entry referencing
the behaviors stack file.

That setup all works fine most of the time, behaviors are resolved as they
should be. However, on any subsequent runs of LC, if I open the plugin
first then open the application file, none of the behavior scripts fire.
All works fine if I open the application stack file first followed by the
plugin.

There are no references to the behaviors stack file in any of the plugin
scripts or the library stack scripts and the plugin's stackFiles entry is
empty as is the library stack's.

I tried opening the behaviors stack file in the plugin so that it would be
open when I opened the application stack but the behaviors still did not
fire.

What could there be in the plugin stack that would interfere with the
resolution of behaviors in the application stack?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Mon Dec  1 13:46:14 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 18:46:14 -0000
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager for LiveCode
Message-ID: <004701d00d97$1775c000$46614000$@FlexibleLearning.com>

ControlManager for LiveCode is now available, with full details here...

www.flexibleLearning.com/controlmanager

It is "LiveCode-Community compatible" and has been tested from v5.5.4
(minimum required), through v6 to v7.

What it aims to provide...

- It is designed to be simple to use and provide responsive, easy-view
access to your project structure, properties and geometry including access
to any hidden and off-screen objects.

- It includes useful additional features such as layout grid display, image
manipulation options, and property tips along with direct look-up access to
LiveCode's Dictionary resource when you want more information.

- It starts working as soon as you select an editing tool, stops when you
browse or close the palette, and really just looks after itself in between.


My public thanks to all the testers and their positive feedback. I hope you
will find it a useful and informative addition to your development tools.


Hugh Senior
FLCo








From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Dec  1 13:47:47 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 10:47:47 -0800
Subject: Behaviors not behaving
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eP4LdxL-_kp3HnTZBAS8mdwa2Ga93iFwypf7VFpLz2Puw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP4LdxL-_kp3HnTZBAS8mdwa2Ga93iFwypf7VFpLz2Puw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D657DDFC-CD76-4E18-9686-F5E49FF6709D@tactilemedia.com>

From what you describe, there may be a timing thing going on as you suggest (controls opening before their behaviors are available).  You say your plugin ?creates an application stack file? so another thing to check is correct behavior references applied to your controls.

If your behaviors need to initialize at all, you should double check your initializing routines are taking place ? if not, there may be some script error/failure going on that?s not triggering a standard alert.

Another ?trick? you might try is to force the behaviors to resolve after all stacks are open by running a loop through all controls that use behaviors and set the behavior of each control to its behavior.  Kind of goofy but assuming there are no reference issues, it should work.

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I'm working on a system that consists of a plugin, a library stack file and
> a stack file containing buttons with behavior scripts.
> 
> The plugin creates an application stack file plus various controls within
> it that have their behaviors set to the buttons in the behavior stack file.
> 
> Since the behaviors are not in the application stack file, I set the
> stackFiles property of the application stack to have an entry referencing
> the behaviors stack file.
> 
> That setup all works fine most of the time, behaviors are resolved as they
> should be. However, on any subsequent runs of LC, if I open the plugin
> first then open the application file, none of the behavior scripts fire.
> All works fine if I open the application stack file first followed by the
> plugin.
> 
> There are no references to the behaviors stack file in any of the plugin
> scripts or the library stack scripts and the plugin's stackFiles entry is
> empty as is the library stack's.
> 
> I tried opening the behaviors stack file in the plugin so that it would be
> open when I opened the application stack but the behaviors still did not
> fire.
> 
> What could there be in the plugin stack that would interfere with the
> resolution of behaviors in the application stack?
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Dec  1 14:06:54 2014
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:06:54 -0500
Subject: Behaviors not behaving
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eP4LdxL-_kp3HnTZBAS8mdwa2Ga93iFwypf7VFpLz2Puw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP4LdxL-_kp3HnTZBAS8mdwa2Ga93iFwypf7VFpLz2Puw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d00d99$f8fea620$eafbf260$@net>

Peter,

I run into this when I double click on a stack to open the IDE. My library
stacks are not yet fully loaded and calls to them fail. The trick for me is
to load the IDE then load the stack I'm working on. This only applies to the
library stacks in the MyLiveCode/Plugins folder when running in the IDE.
When running as standalone I load the library stacks in the preopenstack of
the main stack.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Haworth
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:32 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Behaviors not behaving

I'm working on a system that consists of a plugin, a library stack file and
a stack file containing buttons with behavior scripts.

The plugin creates an application stack file plus various controls within it
that have their behaviors set to the buttons in the behavior stack file.

Since the behaviors are not in the application stack file, I set the
stackFiles property of the application stack to have an entry referencing
the behaviors stack file.

That setup all works fine most of the time, behaviors are resolved as they
should be. However, on any subsequent runs of LC, if I open the plugin first
then open the application file, none of the behavior scripts fire.
All works fine if I open the application stack file first followed by the
plugin.

There are no references to the behaviors stack file in any of the plugin
scripts or the library stack scripts and the plugin's stackFiles entry is
empty as is the library stack's.

I tried opening the behaviors stack file in the plugin so that it would be
open when I opened the application stack but the behaviors still did not
fire.

What could there be in the plugin stack that would interfere with the
resolution of behaviors in the application stack?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Dec  1 15:13:44 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:13:44 -0800
Subject: Behaviors not behaving
In-Reply-To: <D657DDFC-CD76-4E18-9686-F5E49FF6709D@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP4LdxL-_kp3HnTZBAS8mdwa2Ga93iFwypf7VFpLz2Puw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D657DDFC-CD76-4E18-9686-F5E49FF6709D@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePi35SfuGecRaM+sxqEZp=G3iPxc=a4S+D4=rzrzD1_fA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Scott,
I stepped through my initialization code and it all goes through to the end
no matter which stack I open first.

Good news is that your trick of resetting the behaviors to themselves fixed
the problem!  And it's really fast. Thanks for that.

I'm still not understanding why that should be necessary but I guess at
this point, I'll just go with it.

I seem to recall that Richard Gaskin has an enhancement request to provide
a command to initialize behaviors.  In view of this weirdness, I think that
would be a great idea.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> From what you describe, there may be a timing thing going on as you
> suggest (controls opening before their behaviors are available).  You say
> your plugin ?creates an application stack file? so another thing to check
> is correct behavior references applied to your controls.
>
> If your behaviors need to initialize at all, you should double check your
> initializing routines are taking place ? if not, there may be some script
> error/failure going on that?s not triggering a standard alert.
>
> Another ?trick? you might try is to force the behaviors to resolve after
> all stacks are open by running a loop through all controls that use
> behaviors and set the behavior of each control to its behavior.  Kind of
> goofy but assuming there are no reference issues, it should work.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
> On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm working on a system that consists of a plugin, a library stack file
> and
> > a stack file containing buttons with behavior scripts.
> >
> > The plugin creates an application stack file plus various controls within
> > it that have their behaviors set to the buttons in the behavior stack
> file.
> >
> > Since the behaviors are not in the application stack file, I set the
> > stackFiles property of the application stack to have an entry referencing
> > the behaviors stack file.
> >
> > That setup all works fine most of the time, behaviors are resolved as
> they
> > should be. However, on any subsequent runs of LC, if I open the plugin
> > first then open the application file, none of the behavior scripts fire.
> > All works fine if I open the application stack file first followed by the
> > plugin.
> >
> > There are no references to the behaviors stack file in any of the plugin
> > scripts or the library stack scripts and the plugin's stackFiles entry is
> > empty as is the library stack's.
> >
> > I tried opening the behaviors stack file in the plugin so that it would
> be
> > open when I opened the application stack but the behaviors still did not
> > fire.
> >
> > What could there be in the plugin stack that would interfere with the
> > resolution of behaviors in the application stack?
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Dec  1 15:14:31 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 12:14:31 -0800
Subject: Behaviors not behaving
In-Reply-To: <003b01d00d99$f8fea620$eafbf260$@net>
References: <CAGDT7eP4LdxL-_kp3HnTZBAS8mdwa2Ga93iFwypf7VFpLz2Puw@mail.gmail.com>
	<003b01d00d99$f8fea620$eafbf260$@net>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMoL=eWBd5q+9XC0Wgf8vNzF+eYF+EAausZdfERkJtYMA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ralph,
Might be a related issue but in this case, I'm opening stacks from within
the IDE not by double clicking them in the Finder.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Ralph DiMola <rdimola at evergreeninfo.net>
wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I run into this when I double click on a stack to open the IDE. My library
> stacks are not yet fully loaded and calls to them fail. The trick for me is
> to load the IDE then load the stack I'm working on. This only applies to
> the
> library stacks in the MyLiveCode/Plugins folder when running in the IDE.
> When running as standalone I load the library stacks in the preopenstack of
> the main stack.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Peter Haworth
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:32 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Behaviors not behaving
>
> I'm working on a system that consists of a plugin, a library stack file and
> a stack file containing buttons with behavior scripts.
>
> The plugin creates an application stack file plus various controls within
> it
> that have their behaviors set to the buttons in the behavior stack file.
>
> Since the behaviors are not in the application stack file, I set the
> stackFiles property of the application stack to have an entry referencing
> the behaviors stack file.
>
> That setup all works fine most of the time, behaviors are resolved as they
> should be. However, on any subsequent runs of LC, if I open the plugin
> first
> then open the application file, none of the behavior scripts fire.
> All works fine if I open the application stack file first followed by the
> plugin.
>
> There are no references to the behaviors stack file in any of the plugin
> scripts or the library stack scripts and the plugin's stackFiles entry is
> empty as is the library stack's.
>
> I tried opening the behaviors stack file in the plugin so that it would be
> open when I opened the application stack but the behaviors still did not
> fire.
>
> What could there be in the plugin stack that would interfere with the
> resolution of behaviors in the application stack?
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Dec  1 16:29:58 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 21:29:58 +0000
Subject: [OT] baby
In-Reply-To: <E679FB42-864A-475E-9820-883280F7011D@logilangue.com>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<E679FB42-864A-475E-9820-883280F7011D@logilangue.com>
Message-ID: <77E4B565-71D2-4A01-A921-E42B56305CB0@iotecdigital.com>

Have the baby start answering some support emails. It?s gotta learn to earn its? milk sooner or later. ;-)

Bob S


On Nov 27, 2014, at 14:02 , Alain Vezina <alain.vezina at logilangue.com<mailto:alain.vezina at logilangue.com>> wrote:

Hi Folks

We just had a baby so I won't be able to get to mergExt related questions for a few days. Rebecca(mum) and Sarah(bub) are doing well but Sarah has a few breathing issues so needs some extra O2 for a while.

Cheers

Monte

--
M E R Goulding
Software development services

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Mon Dec  1 17:28:30 2014
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:28:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <004701d00d97$1775c000$46614000$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <004701d00d97$1775c000$46614000$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <1417472910750-4686400.post@n4.nabble.com>

Congratulations, Hugh. This looks like it will be a great productivity boost
to my work. I'm in.
-- Tom Bodine



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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Dec  1 17:57:31 2014
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:57:31 -1000
Subject: Best Strategies for Duplicating Object
Message-ID: <547CF25B.4030806@hindu.org>

I have a little widget I'm creating to help with internal discussion 
about web site development. To prepare, I could just drag book marks 
into folders in my browser but that's too weak...

So I have a button I can use to drop links onto and this triggers the 
creation of a new button

on dragEnter -- show a green outline around the drop target
    set the borderColor of the target to "green"
      set the dragaction to "copy"
end dragEnter


on dragDrop
    put the dragData["text"]  into tURL
    createButtonLink tURL
end dragDrop

on createButtonLink tURL
    ask "Name your button" with tURL
    put it into tButtonName
    create button tButtonName
    set the script of btn tButtonName to \
    "on mouseup" & cr & "revGoUrl " & quote & tURL & quote & cr &  "end 
mouseup"
end createButtonLink

I can then set the systemWindow to true and my little pallette rides on 
top of the screen and I can navigate web pages in Firefox...

This worked so nicely I want to make it a bit more robust and perhaps 
style the buttons. Put a "key point" into a custom property or in the 
script itself:

on mouseup
       put "Robust Sidebar" into fld "points"
revGoUrl "http://dev.himalayanacademy.com/looklisten/music"
end mouseup

Now, my question is about best strategies. Of course with LC there's 
always ten different ways to do things. but if I want to tweak the look 
and feel of the buttons later, I think I need to include behaviors in 
the mix...

So rather than create a new button.. I could:

1) clone a button with the existing requirement, and then replace 
strings in the script and set name and the custom prop  for the newly 
cloned button.
2) perhaps use the "templateButton" but that seems a weak path.

What do others do?

And how to you change the name of a cloned object in the same script?

this:

clone button "Create Links"; set the short name of it to "Hello"

Generates and error:

Script compile error:
Error description: seek: missing 'in'

but "it" contains a valid button reference... so what is wrong?

even this does not work:

set the short name of button ID 1037  to "hello"

??






Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com




From eric at canelasoftware.com  Mon Dec  1 18:03:22 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:03:22 -0800
Subject: Best Strategies for Duplicating Object
In-Reply-To: <547CF25B.4030806@hindu.org>
References: <547CF25B.4030806@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <76E647BA-F101-4CBA-95B8-E14A732DE62E@canelasoftware.com>

Try setting the name, not the short name.

I often use templates and copy or clone them. I use template... to create groups usually.

- eric


On Dec 1, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Brahmanathaswami wrote:

> I have a little widget I'm creating to help with internal discussion about web site development. To prepare, I could just drag book marks into folders in my browser but that's too weak...
> 
> So I have a button I can use to drop links onto and this triggers the creation of a new button
> 
> on dragEnter -- show a green outline around the drop target
>   set the borderColor of the target to "green"
>     set the dragaction to "copy"
> end dragEnter
> 
> 
> on dragDrop
>   put the dragData["text"]  into tURL
>   createButtonLink tURL
> end dragDrop
> 
> on createButtonLink tURL
>   ask "Name your button" with tURL
>   put it into tButtonName
>   create button tButtonName
>   set the script of btn tButtonName to \
>   "on mouseup" & cr & "revGoUrl " & quote & tURL & quote & cr &  "end mouseup"
> end createButtonLink
> 
> I can then set the systemWindow to true and my little pallette rides on top of the screen and I can navigate web pages in Firefox...
> 
> This worked so nicely I want to make it a bit more robust and perhaps style the buttons. Put a "key point" into a custom property or in the script itself:
> 
> on mouseup
>      put "Robust Sidebar" into fld "points"
> revGoUrl "http://dev.himalayanacademy.com/looklisten/music"
> end mouseup
> 
> Now, my question is about best strategies. Of course with LC there's always ten different ways to do things. but if I want to tweak the look and feel of the buttons later, I think I need to include behaviors in the mix...
> 
> So rather than create a new button.. I could:
> 
> 1) clone a button with the existing requirement, and then replace strings in the script and set name and the custom prop  for the newly cloned button.
> 2) perhaps use the "templateButton" but that seems a weak path.
> 
> What do others do?
> 
> And how to you change the name of a cloned object in the same script?
> 
> this:
> 
> clone button "Create Links"; set the short name of it to "Hello"
> 
> Generates and error:
> 
> Script compile error:
> Error description: seek: missing 'in'
> 
> but "it" contains a valid button reference... so what is wrong?
> 
> even this does not work:
> 
> set the short name of button ID 1037  to "hello"
> 
> ??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
> Brahmanathaswami
> 
> Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com
> 
> 
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Dec  1 18:12:22 2014
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:12:22 -0800
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <004701d00d97$1775c000$46614000$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <004701d00d97$1775c000$46614000$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <ECB11B42-6BCF-424C-B769-69D83F18C3B6@canelasoftware.com>

On Dec 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <admin at FlexibleLearning.com> wrote:

> ControlManager for LiveCode is now available, with full details here...
> 
> 
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo



Hi Hugh,

Do you have any plans to provide a demo or trial version? If not, some videos showing the product in action would be helpful.  Thanks!


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io
canelasoftware.com



From prothero at earthednet.org  Mon Dec  1 18:22:01 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:22:01 -0800
Subject: [OT] baby
In-Reply-To: <77E4B565-71D2-4A01-A921-E42B56305CB0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<E679FB42-864A-475E-9820-883280F7011D@logilangue.com>
	<77E4B565-71D2-4A01-A921-E42B56305CB0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <2E1A310B-C643-40C9-AF33-4AE1B72C5F48@earthednet.org>

FYI:
I have just submitted bug report 14130. It concerns a crash when plotting small symbol images onto a larger image. The application works fine in LC V7.0.0, but crashes in V7.0.1 (rc2). Perhaps a memory issue because the same code works fine with less than 2000 images, but crashes for more than that.

Regards,
Bill

William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://es.earthednet.org/






From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 18:43:11 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 07:43:11 +0800
Subject: Can't Start LiveCode Server Under Yosemite
In-Reply-To: <CAEQVtqWUZbyxOCiVKHo_kp1ySdXd_C_kdkktE=WBXgGJRHBNSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <80CC890A-EFC6-4BE9-9850-58BFA3DF3CFF@videotron.ca>
	<CAEQVtqWUZbyxOCiVKHo_kp1ySdXd_C_kdkktE=WBXgGJRHBNSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <147C4E12-083C-4384-ACA2-DF5325BB1239@gmail.com>

It isn?t as easy to start Apache on Yosemite as it was on previous versions of OS X. The option has been removed from the Sharing Preferences panel.

You need to start Apache manually using the Terminal app from an admin user account.

This command will start Apache

	sudo apachectl start

This command will re-start Apache if you have made any changes to the Apache configuration file

	sudo apachectl restart

This command will stop Apache if you want to stop Apache

	sudo apachectl stop


Once you have started Apache, it should automatically restart if you restart or power off / power on.

I hope this helps.

Peter

> On 1 Dec 2014, at 22:59, Simon Smith <hello at simonsmith.co> wrote:
> 
> If it's saying that it cannot connect to the server, I would guess that
> apache is not running.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I can?t seem to get LiveCode server working under Yosemite. I followed
>> Peter Wood?s suggestion and modified the httpd.conf file as follows, where
>> the path to LiveCode server is ?Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables?.
>> 
>> <IfModule alias_module>
>>                ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/
>> "Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/"
>>        </IfModule>
>> 
>>        <Directory "Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables">
>>                Options +ExecCGI
>>        </Directory>
>> 
>>        <IfModule mime_module>
>>                AddHandler lcscript .lc
>>                Action lcscript /livecode-cgi/livecode-server
>>        </IfModule>
>> 
>> I have LiveCode server 5.0.2 installed.
>> 
>> When I enter localhost in Safari, I get an error message saying that
>> Safari cannot connect to the server.
>> 
>> Any advice would be most appreciated,
>> 
>> Gregory
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Mon Dec  1 18:48:00 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 15:48:00 -0800
Subject: Bug reported for crashing LC V7.0.1(rc2)
In-Reply-To: <2E1A310B-C643-40C9-AF33-4AE1B72C5F48@earthednet.org>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<E679FB42-864A-475E-9820-883280F7011D@logilangue.com>
	<77E4B565-71D2-4A01-A921-E42B56305CB0@iotecdigital.com>
	<2E1A310B-C643-40C9-AF33-4AE1B72C5F48@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <1F10CAF2-3D05-4B89-B586-AC35B8BAA5CC@earthednet.org>

FYI:  (Sorry, wrong subject left in email) Congrats on the baby, tho.

I have just submitted bug report 14130. It concerns a crash when plotting small symbol images onto a larger image. The application works fine in LC V7.0.0, but crashes in V7.0.1 (rc2). Perhaps a memory issue because the same code works fine with less than 2000 images, but crashes for more than that.

Regards,
Bill

William A. Prothero, Ph.D.
University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of Earth Sciences (Emeritus)
Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
http://es.earthednet.org/






From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Dec  1 18:59:58 2014
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:59:58 -1000
Subject: Best Strategies for Duplicating Object
In-Reply-To: <76E647BA-F101-4CBA-95B8-E14A732DE62E@canelasoftware.com>
References: <547CF25B.4030806@hindu.org>
	<76E647BA-F101-4CBA-95B8-E14A732DE62E@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <547D00FE.8080603@hindu.org>

Eric... thanks

that works.

clone button "Create Links"; set the name of  it to "Siva"

I guess this is a documentation bug...under name it says:

"set the [long | abbr[ev[iated] | short] name of object to string"

implies that


clone button "Create Links"; set the short name of  it to "Siva"

should work, but it doesn't

BR

Eric Corbett wrote:
> Try setting the name, not the short name.
>
> I often use templates and copy or clone them. I use template... to create groups usually.
>
> - eric
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Brahmanathaswami wrote:
>
>> I have a little widget I'm creating to help with internal discussion about web site development. To prepare, I could just drag book marks into folders in my browser but that's too weak...
>>
>> So I have a button I can use to drop links onto and this triggers the creation of a new button
>>
>> on dragEnter -- show a green outline around the drop target
>>    set the borderColor of the target to "green"
>>      set the dragaction to "copy"
>> end dragEnter
>>
>>
>> on dragDrop
>>    put the dragData["text"]  into tURL
>>    createButtonLink tURL
>> end dragDrop
>>
>> on createButtonLink tURL
>>    ask "Name your button" with tURL
>>    put it into tButtonName
>>    create button tButtonName
>>    set the script of btn tButtonName to \
>>    "on mouseup"&  cr&  "revGoUrl "&  quote&  tURL&  quote&  cr&   "end mouseup"
>> end createButtonLink
>>
>> I can then set the systemWindow to true and my little pallette rides on top of the screen and I can navigate web pages in Firefox...
>>
>> This worked so nicely I want to make it a bit more robust and perhaps style the buttons. Put a "key point" into a custom property or in the script itself:
>>
>> on mouseup
>>       put "Robust Sidebar" into fld "points"
>> revGoUrl "http://dev.himalayanacademy.com/looklisten/music"
>> end mouseup
>>
>> Now, my question is about best strategies. Of course with LC there's always ten different ways to do things. but if I want to tweak the look and feel of the buttons later, I think I need to include behaviors in the mix...
>>
>> So rather than create a new button.. I could:
>>
>> 1) clone a button with the existing requirement, and then replace strings in the script and set name and the custom prop  for the newly cloned button.
>> 2) perhaps use the "templateButton" but that seems a weak path.
>>
>> What do others do?
>>
>> And how to you change the name of a cloned object in the same script?
>>
>> this:
>>
>> clone button "Create Links"; set the short name of it to "Hello"
>>
>> Generates and error:
>>
>> Script compile error:
>> Error description: seek: missing 'in'
>>
>> but "it" contains a valid button reference... so what is wrong?
>>
>> even this does not work:
>>
>> set the short name of button ID 1037  to "hello"
>>
>> ??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
>> Brahmanathaswami
>>
>> Kauai's Hindu Monastery
>> www.HimalayanAcademy.com
>>
>>
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Mon Dec  1 21:33:24 2014
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 18:33:24 -0800
Subject: December Meeting SoCal LiveCode User Group
Message-ID: <6019A2EF-344D-4AEA-8A65-5D54497EC75C@mac.com>

Where:
Burger Continental, back room
535 S. Lake Avenue
Pasadena CA 91101
http://www.burgercontinentalpasadena.com/home.html <http://www.burgercontinentalpasadena.com/home.html>

When:
Thursday, Dec 4, 7:00PM

Who:
The meetings are open to any and all who have an interest in chatting about LiveCode.

What:
Attendees are encouraged to bring something to share - it can be a brief presentation, a problem you need help solving, or even just any question about LiveCode.

We hope to see everyone there.

Bill Vlahos and Richard Gaskin

From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Dec  2 05:29:38 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:29:38 +0100
Subject: The defaultStack after loading?
Message-ID: <B314BE1A-DBED-4B68-B3C3-DE8661DC8953@mac.com>

I have a splash stack that opens a data stack (i,e. the data stack is not part of a standalone or initial start, but gets loaded after the program starts). This data stack has a lot of substacks. I just noticed (both in the IDE and the standalone) that after loading the data stack (by ?go? to the first card of the main data stack using the path to the stack file), the defaultStack is set to the last substack in the list of substacks for the data stack. Can this be right? After all, I have done nothing to open these substacks - they may be in the machine, but I haven?t explicitly opened them.

Does anyone think this behaviour is normal? I would have expected the recently loaded mainstack to be the default, so that a script reference to an object would automatically refer to an object on the first card of the mainstack. Is it something that?s changed in LC7?

I?m using LC 7 rc 2 on Mac Yosemite. I will see if I can run tests on earlier versions of LC, but I have switched entirely to 7 now, so it?s not so easy.

TIA

Graham


From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Tue Dec  2 06:06:59 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:06:59 -0000
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager for LiveCode
Message-ID: <005c01d00e20$188f6f20$49ae4d60$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Thank you, Tom!

Hugh Senior
FLCo
 
> Congratulations, Hugh. This looks like it will be a great productivity
boost
> to my work. I'm in.
> -- Tom Bodine




From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Tue Dec  2 06:15:14 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:15:14 -0000
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager for LiveCode
Message-ID: <005d01d00e21$400b33d0$c0219b70$@FlexibleLearning.com>

It's a bit awkward providing a demo or trial version as ControlManager is a
Community-compatible product.

A video can certainly be done, once I find a replacement screen grabber.
Windows trashed my last one so I do not have the technology at the moment.

Hugh Senior
FLCo
www.flexiblelearning.com/controlmanager



> Hi Hugh,
>
> Do you have any plans to provide a demo or trial version? If not, some
videos showing the product in action would be helpful.  Thanks!
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Talluto
> livecloud.io
> canelasoftware.com




From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 07:12:23 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 12:12:23 +0000
Subject: the beepSound in iOS
Message-ID: <DUB114-W115432DD74E7C5A840F8251ED7A0@phx.gbl>

set the beepSound to specialFolderPath("engine") & "/shortbeep.aiff"

This works against 7.1, but not against 8.1 simulator... I can't get nary a 'beep' out of the stack..:-)

can someone confirm
 		 	   		  

From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue Dec  2 08:54:59 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:54:59 +0100
Subject: Different results in LC with a file from 2 FTP programs
Message-ID: <007e01d00e37$90e96770$b2bc3650$@de>

Hello,

I am downloading a ASCII txt file with "put URL tFile into tContent" from my
server. Then I filter the content of the file in LC 6.5.2 to get the wanted
data. I changed my FTP program on Windows to FileZilla because my old FTP
program didn't had a SFTP protocol, which I wanted to use now. When
uploading the same file which is locally 397 KB with the old FTP program in
ASCII mode it increases on my server to 385 KB. When uploading it with
FileZilla-SFTP in ASCII mode it shows the excat 397 KB in the server.

 

Here comes my issue. My LC fails processing the content of the same file,
when it is uploaded with FileZilla, because after the filter command each
line still has a "CR" at the end of the line, which is not there, when the
same file was uploaded with the old FTP program. Usually I would have
expected a "CR" at the line end, but I have never watched it and because it
wasn't there with my old FTP program I coded without expecting a "CR" and
now my program fails with the new format. It is easy to change my code, but
there are a lot of licences out there at my customers, which I can't change
that easy.

 

Has anybody any idea, what is happening here with the file and why two
different FTP programs upload a different result on my server with the same
file, both using ASCII mode? Why is the file expanding in my old process,
but is missing a CR in each line? Is there perhaps anything I can change
locally on my file? Any ideas?

 

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 

 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec  2 10:27:22 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 07:27:22 -0800
Subject: Different results in LC with a file from 2 FTP programs
In-Reply-To: <007e01d00e37$90e96770$b2bc3650$@de>
References: <007e01d00e37$90e96770$b2bc3650$@de>
Message-ID: <547DDA5A.8000807@fourthworld.com>

Tiemo Hollmann wrote:

 > Has anybody any idea, what is happening here with the file and why
 > two different FTP programs upload a different result on my server
 > with the same file, both using ASCII mode? Why is the file expanding
 > in my old process, but is missing a CR in each line? Is there perhaps
 > anything I can change locally on my file? Any ideas?

What constitutes text mode may vary from program to program.  In LC is 
means replacing NULLs with spaces and replacing ASCII 10 to OS-native 
line endings for writes, or replacing OS-native line endings to ASCII 10 
for reads.

To get the exact same data for all programs use binary mode, which will 
prevent the program from altering the data.


If this file transfer is only for yourself, it may also be helpful to 
consider setting up shared SSH keys with the machine, so you can use 
LiveCode to transfer the file securely by calling either scp or rsync 
through the shell function.  It takes only a couple minutes to set up a 
shared SSH key, and opens up many wonderful opportunities for securely 
transferring files within LC.

There's a brief tutorial on this in the forums:
<http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=20853&p=106171>

I found this tutorial even simpler, though the basic steps are 
essentially the same:
<https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-ssh-keys--2>


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Dec  2 10:46:30 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:46:30 +0000
Subject: [OT] baby
In-Reply-To: <2E1A310B-C643-40C9-AF33-4AE1B72C5F48@earthednet.org>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<E679FB42-864A-475E-9820-883280F7011D@logilangue.com>
	<77E4B565-71D2-4A01-A921-E42B56305CB0@iotecdigital.com>
	<2E1A310B-C643-40C9-AF33-4AE1B72C5F48@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <ADB67E2D-0C99-4E77-BD4F-CF7319CAB4E4@iotecdigital.com>

Curious? what does this have to do with the baby?

Bob S


On Dec 1, 2014, at 15:22 , William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org<mailto:prothero at earthednet.org>> wrote:

FYI:
I have just submitted bug report 14130. It concerns a crash when plotting small symbol images onto a larger image. The application works fine in LC V7.0.0, but crashes in V7.0.1 (rc2). Perhaps a memory issue because the same code works fine with less than 2000 images, but crashes for more than that.

Regards,
Bill


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Dec  2 10:47:49 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 15:47:49 +0000
Subject: Bug reported for crashing LC V7.0.1(rc2)
In-Reply-To: <1F10CAF2-3D05-4B89-B586-AC35B8BAA5CC@earthednet.org>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<E679FB42-864A-475E-9820-883280F7011D@logilangue.com>
	<77E4B565-71D2-4A01-A921-E42B56305CB0@iotecdigital.com>
	<2E1A310B-C643-40C9-AF33-4AE1B72C5F48@earthednet.org>
	<1F10CAF2-3D05-4B89-B586-AC35B8BAA5CC@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <031D43D6-30F4-4862-8644-F58810E1168A@iotecdigital.com>

Oh. heh heh. This is the product of my emails no longer threading the way they used to. Sometimes I get the original message *after* I get people?s responses to it. :-)

Bob S


On Dec 1, 2014, at 15:48 , William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org<mailto:prothero at earthednet.org>> wrote:

FYI:  (Sorry, wrong subject left in email) Congrats on the baby, tho.

I have just submitted bug report 14130. It concerns a crash when plotting small symbol images onto a larger image. The application works fine in LC V7.0.0, but crashes in V7.0.1 (rc2). Perhaps a memory issue because the same code works fine with less than 2000 images, but crashes for more than that.

Regards,
Bill


From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Dec  2 11:10:44 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 08:10:44 -0800
Subject: Bug reported for crashing LC V7.0.1(rc2)
In-Reply-To: <031D43D6-30F4-4862-8644-F58810E1168A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<E679FB42-864A-475E-9820-883280F7011D@logilangue.com>
	<77E4B565-71D2-4A01-A921-E42B56305CB0@iotecdigital.com>
	<2E1A310B-C643-40C9-AF33-4AE1B72C5F48@earthednet.org>
	<1F10CAF2-3D05-4B89-B586-AC35B8BAA5CC@earthednet.org>
	<031D43D6-30F4-4862-8644-F58810E1168A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <B4310779-C9EE-4036-BE0F-6124084EEB03@earthednet.org>

Bob,
Not half as funny as some of the substitutions that "autocorrect" can make, if I don't carefully proofread my emails.
Best,
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Dec 2, 2014, at 7:47 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh. heh heh. This is the product of my emails no longer threading the way they used to. Sometimes I get the original message *after* I get people?s responses to it. :-)
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Dec 1, 2014, at 15:48 , William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org<mailto:prothero at earthednet.org>> wrote:
> 
> FYI:  (Sorry, wrong subject left in email) Congrats on the baby, tho.
> 
> I have just submitted bug report 14130. It concerns a crash when plotting small symbol images onto a larger image. The application works fine in LC V7.0.0, but crashes in V7.0.1 (rc2). Perhaps a memory issue because the same code works fine with less than 2000 images, but crashes for more than that.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec  2 12:01:34 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:01:34 -0600
Subject: Bug reported for crashing LC V7.0.1(rc2)
In-Reply-To: <B4310779-C9EE-4036-BE0F-6124084EEB03@earthednet.org>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<E679FB42-864A-475E-9820-883280F7011D@logilangue.com>
	<77E4B565-71D2-4A01-A921-E42B56305CB0@iotecdigital.com>
	<2E1A310B-C643-40C9-AF33-4AE1B72C5F48@earthednet.org>
	<1F10CAF2-3D05-4B89-B586-AC35B8BAA5CC@earthednet.org>
	<031D43D6-30F4-4862-8644-F58810E1168A@iotecdigital.com>
	<B4310779-C9EE-4036-BE0F-6124084EEB03@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CB52B3B1-697B-4A16-A470-C0EDF9F1989C@hyperactivesw.com>

Seen on a poster:

Frankly autocorrect, I'm getting tired of your shirt. 

On December 2, 2014 10:10:44 AM CST, Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>Bob,
>Not half as funny as some of the substitutions that "autocorrect" can
>make, if I don't carefully proofread my emails.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec  2 12:13:13 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:13:13 -0600
Subject: Different results in LC with a file from 2 FTP programs
In-Reply-To: <547DDA5A.8000807@fourthworld.com>
References: <007e01d00e37$90e96770$b2bc3650$@de>
	<547DDA5A.8000807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D61F0379-2148-447A-A885-9492DDE555C1@hyperactivesw.com>

Except in this case he's using a third party product to upload. Tiemo, maybe your app has settings that determine how line endings are handled? 


On December 2, 2014 9:27:22 AM CST, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
>
> > Has anybody any idea, what is happening here with the file and why
> > two different FTP programs upload a different result on my server
> > with the same file, both using ASCII mode? Why is the file expanding
>> in my old process, but is missing a CR in each line? Is there perhaps
> > anything I can change locally on my file? Any ideas?
>
>What constitutes text mode may vary from program to program.  In LC is 
>means replacing NULLs with spaces and replacing ASCII 10 to OS-native 
>line endings for writes, or replacing OS-native line endings to ASCII
>10 
>for reads.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Dec  2 13:08:31 2014
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:08:31 -0800
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <005d01d00e21$400b33d0$c0219b70$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <005d01d00e21$400b33d0$c0219b70$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <7D44F788-AC5A-4EBD-A5FA-0168B4E09886@canelasoftware.com>

I understand. Protecting ones work can be time consuming.

My request comes from experience. My projects have a way of breaking tools like this (LC project browser included). It nice to see how things are going to work out before committing. 


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io
canelasoftware.com



On Dec 2, 2014, at 3:15 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <admin at FlexibleLearning.com> wrote:

> It's a bit awkward providing a demo or trial version as ControlManager is a
> Community-compatible product.
> 
> A video can certainly be done, once I find a replacement screen grabber.
> Windows trashed my last one so I do not have the technology at the moment.
> 
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
> www.flexiblelearning.com/controlmanager
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi Hugh,
>> 
>> Do you have any plans to provide a demo or trial version? If not, some
> videos showing the product in action would be helpful.  Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Mark Talluto
>> livecloud.io
>> canelasoftware.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode



From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Dec  2 13:59:02 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:59:02 -0800
Subject: Behaviors not behaving
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePi35SfuGecRaM+sxqEZp=G3iPxc=a4S+D4=rzrzD1_fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eP4LdxL-_kp3HnTZBAS8mdwa2Ga93iFwypf7VFpLz2Puw@mail.gmail.com>
	<D657DDFC-CD76-4E18-9686-F5E49FF6709D@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7ePi35SfuGecRaM+sxqEZp=G3iPxc=a4S+D4=rzrzD1_fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePNL-GY8ZM60hvPz0Jcu7JnMWxVQLCR9T2aOrpORw=5zQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Good news is that your trick of resetting the behaviors to themselves
> fixed the problem!  And it's really fast. Thanks for that.


I guess I spoke too soon.

Although the fix does work, controls with linked behaviors are now
misbehaving.  The second behavior in the chain works for some controls but
not for others.  So, goodbye linked behaviors.  Replaced them with a call
to a library handler.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Dec  2 19:29:05 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 19:29:05 -0500
Subject: [OT] Filemaker and Hindi
Message-ID: <858FD5A4-0AB4-4A4B-AB46-3FB0ABC1128B@verizon.net>

Some of you here are expert at Filemaker and also non-Roman languages. Any idea how to use Hindi text inside Filemaker? It seems to cope with Chinese, Japanese, and Thai, but apparently not Hindi. The text gets converted to scrambled Roman characters.


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Tue Dec  2 20:21:04 2014
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:21:04 -0500
Subject: Can't Start LiveCode Server Under Yosemite
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1417518001.29701.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1417518001.29701.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <448B4620-7590-4902-B169-1DAB9CC3D6F3@videotron.ca>

Hi Peter,

Thanks for responding. I tried starting Apache with Terminal, using both start and then restart. The command appears to have been accepted (see below) but when I type localhost into Safari, I still get the message ?Safari Can?t Connect to the Server."

Last login: Tue Dec  2 19:58:59 on console
Gregorys-iMac-2:~ gregory$ sudo apachectl restart
Password:
Gregorys-iMac-2:~ gregory$ sudo apachectl start
/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/org.apache.httpd.plist: Operation already in progress
Gregorys-iMac-2:~ gregory$ 

Regards,

Gregory





> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014, at 6:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 07:43:11 +0800
> From: Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com <mailto:peterwawood at gmail.com>>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> Subject: Re: Can't Start LiveCode Server Under Yosemite
> Message-ID: <147C4E12-083C-4384-ACA2-DF5325BB1239 at gmail.com <mailto:147C4E12-083C-4384-ACA2-DF5325BB1239 at gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> It isn?t as easy to start Apache on Yosemite as it was on previous versions of OS X. The option has been removed from the Sharing Preferences panel.
> 
> You need to start Apache manually using the Terminal app from an admin user account.
> 
> This command will start Apache
> 
> 	sudo apachectl start
> 
> This command will re-start Apache if you have made any changes to the Apache configuration file
> 
> 	sudo apachectl restart
> 
> This command will stop Apache if you want to stop Apache
> 
> 	sudo apachectl stop
> 
> 
> Once you have started Apache, it should automatically restart if you restart or power off / power on.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Peter



From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Dec  2 22:01:03 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:01:03 -0800
Subject: How to open a second window w/o disturbing calling stack.
In-Reply-To: <448B4620-7590-4902-B169-1DAB9CC3D6F3@videotron.ca>
References: <mailman.3.1417518001.29701.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<448B4620-7590-4902-B169-1DAB9CC3D6F3@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <7BD9BAF4-3891-4B28-B44E-320D24B10FF1@earthednet.org>

Folks:
I want to open a second window in my app. The window in the calling stack is the first card of a substack named ?myCallingSubstack?.  I want to go to the first card of a substack named ?mySubstack?. When I do

go to stack ?mySubstack?, the new windows sits behind the calling ?myCallingSubstack?, but ?myCallingSubstack? also reverts to the last card showing in the main stack. 

I want the stack ?mySubstack? to appear in front in a normal window, and I want the ?myCallingSubstack? to stay as it is.

What?s the best way to do this? Docs and lessons don?t seem to address this.

Regards,
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/



From peterwawood at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 22:19:17 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:19:17 +0800
Subject: Can't Start LiveCode Server Under Yosemite
In-Reply-To: <448B4620-7590-4902-B169-1DAB9CC3D6F3@videotron.ca>
References: <mailman.3.1417518001.29701.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<448B4620-7590-4902-B169-1DAB9CC3D6F3@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <6C0422D9-1743-4C33-AC28-8C132C48C316@gmail.com>

Hi Gregory

The first think that I would check is whether Apache is actually running or not. This is how I checked on my machine, using the ps command:

Schulz:~ fatty$ sudo apachectl start
Schulz:~ fatty$ ps -U www
  PID TTY           TIME CMD
35439 ??         0:00.00 /usr/sbin/httpd -D FOREGROUND
Schulz:~ fatty$ sudo apachectl stop
Schulz:~ fatty$ ps -U www
  PID TTY           TIME CMD
Schulz:~ fatty$ sudo apachectl start
Schulz:~ fatty$ ps -U www
  PID TTY           TIME CMD
35458 ??         0:00.00 /usr/sbin/httpd -D FOREGROUND

The next thing I would check would be the Apache error log, which you you should be able to do with this command:

tail /private/var/log/apache2/error_log

Regards

Peter

> On 3 Dec 2014, at 09:21, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Thanks for responding. I tried starting Apache with Terminal, using both start and then restart. The command appears to have been accepted (see below) but when I type localhost into Safari, I still get the message ?Safari Can?t Connect to the Server."
> 
> Last login: Tue Dec  2 19:58:59 on console
> Gregorys-iMac-2:~ gregory$ sudo apachectl restart
> Password:
> Gregorys-iMac-2:~ gregory$ sudo apachectl start
> /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/org.apache.httpd.plist: Operation already in progress
> Gregorys-iMac-2:~ gregory$ 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gregory



From blueback09 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 00:11:20 2014
From: blueback09 at gmail.com (Matt Maier)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 21:11:20 -0800
Subject: datagrid form not scrolling
In-Reply-To: <CA+S82DqtDhc_-gSRteayH_5eZHtqSa=PGuLXihGZUpXZfyaH8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+S82DqtDhc_-gSRteayH_5eZHtqSa=PGuLXihGZUpXZfyaH8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+S82Dq6DWwHY+NrFmnAQYJ-51VvFgK9A=1ZGFQ=yx8wQzBjHw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sean,

I dragged both datagrids onto their respective cards and then used the
property manager to make them forms and get at the templates and script.
I'm using version 7 (rc 1) on Windows 8.1
The screenshot is here
http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22132&p=114478#p114478
Refresh data grid blanks it out and I have to use the script to populate it
again.

Message: 6
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 17:28:42 +0000
From: "Sean Cole (Pi)" <sean at pidigital.co.uk>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: datagrid form not scrolling
Message-ID:
        <CABRqQSS-uFpS073tMjPaD1MHdWLai1s3UN3Kjd=SSxu-zvN_2A at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi Matt,

That's pretty :)
How did you create the data grid template. Which version of LC (I can see
it's on Windows)? Can you take a screenshot of the Project Browser with the
Data Grid Template expanded out to display all of its contents. This will
help us see how it is layering up. Have you tried pressing the 'Refresh
Data Grid' button in the inspector?

Hope we can help

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On 30 November 2014 at 17:15, Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've got one datagrid (form) that never scrolled like it should have, and
> another that always did, but suddenly stopped. There's a picture of the
> shenanigans here
> http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22132&p=114336#p114336
>
> It's like the rows and content I'm filling it with are being put into a
> layer on top of the default drawing of an empty datagrid. So the content
is
> there, but the border and scrollbar are attached to something else that
> didn't get any content. Is this a problem with the nested groups that a
> datagrid is made out of?
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From brahma at hindu.org  Wed Dec  3 01:18:47 2014
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:18:47 -1000
Subject: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5461233B.3070603@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kgWYqq=BTPpQBpPDvgV8iMZ9bSCvstds8G2sBggjPrSKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54664B2B.3060501@cogapp.com> <546671E4.8070106@hindu.org>
	<54692F12.5070907@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5ki9xb3Rogfq3Mhg1dRG_2RWf=eiumjMyYpX876y7Tumbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<546A6937.7040306@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5khpUH31cvbRwujfptUaf5V7G6pRtU=s_34qTfNVhqmNKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FD43748-66D6-4686-ADB1-06E091D6E930@byu.edu>
	<5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547EAB47.5030907@hindu.org>

Currently only myself and Ben have direct access, (i.e. can make changes 
and push a new version to the head of origin master) anyone else would 
have to fork the file and send a pull request. I would be more than 
happy to add anyone else to the collaborators list if you

a) know how GitHub works (I'm just learning myself. highly recommend the 
ebook version of ProGit)

b) think you can make a contribution to make the module work better.

Just let me know.

BR

> https://github.com/Brahmanathaswami/LiveCode-BBEdit-Language-Module
> >
> >  a public repository.



From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Dec  3 04:30:06 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:30:06 +0100
Subject: AW: Different results in LC with a file from 2 FTP programs
In-Reply-To: <D61F0379-2148-447A-A885-9492DDE555C1@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <007e01d00e37$90e96770$b2bc3650$@de>	<547DDA5A.8000807@fourthworld.com>
	<D61F0379-2148-447A-A885-9492DDE555C1@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <003001d00edb$b9b46b60$2d1d4220$@de>

Thanks Richard and Jacque for your hints.
Up to know I couldn't drill down, why the file is increasing with the old
FTP program, but I get on digging
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
Auftrag
> von J. Landman Gay
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014 18:13
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Different results in LC with a file from 2 FTP programs
> 
> Except in this case he's using a third party product to upload. Tiemo,
maybe
> your app has settings that determine how line endings are handled?
> 
> 
> On December 2, 2014 9:27:22 AM CST, Richard Gaskin
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> >Tiemo Hollmann wrote:
> >
> > > Has anybody any idea, what is happening here with the file and why
> > > two different FTP programs upload a different result on my server
> > > with the same file, both using ASCII mode? Why is the file expanding
> >> in my old process, but is missing a CR in each line? Is there perhaps
> > > anything I can change locally on my file? Any ideas?
> >
> >What constitutes text mode may vary from program to program.  In LC is
> >means replacing NULLs with spaces and replacing ASCII 10 to OS-native
> >line endings for writes, or replacing OS-native line endings to ASCII
> >10 for reads.
> 
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Dec  3 06:00:28 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 12:00:28 +0100
Subject: How to open a second window w/o disturbing calling stack.
In-Reply-To: <7BD9BAF4-3891-4B28-B44E-320D24B10FF1@earthednet.org>
References: <mailman.3.1417518001.29701.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<448B4620-7590-4902-B169-1DAB9CC3D6F3@videotron.ca>
	<7BD9BAF4-3891-4B28-B44E-320D24B10FF1@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <9CBB77DD-AF84-4091-A4BE-AEF9AD533A6D@mac.com>

According to the LC Dictionary, ?go? should have done what you want.

> When going to a previously-unopened stack, if you don't specify a card, the go command displays the first card of the stack. If the stack is already open, the current card of the stack appears and the stack window is brought to the front.

I just reproduced your described setup exactly - I hope (on a Mac with Yosemite using LC7rc2) and it worked perfectly.

So, either the version of LC you're using (you don't say which one it is) has let you down (i.e. is buggy), or something else is going on.

I'll send you my tiny experimental stack off-list if it would help.

Cheers

Graham


> On 3 Dec 2014, at 04:01, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> I want to open a second window in my app. The window in the calling stack is the first card of a substack named ?myCallingSubstack?.  I want to go to the first card of a substack named ?mySubstack?. When I do
> 
> go to stack ?mySubstack?, the new windows sits behind the calling ?myCallingSubstack?, but ?myCallingSubstack? also reverts to the last card showing in the main stack. 
> 
> I want the stack ?mySubstack? to appear in front in a normal window, and I want the ?myCallingSubstack? to stay as it is.
> 
> What?s the best way to do this? Docs and lessons don?t seem to address this.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org/
> 
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Dec  3 07:51:36 2014
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 07:51:36 -0500
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 135, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1417604402.26836.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1417604402.26836.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <FDD19A60-F7F3-4E7E-9C6E-EF5C1BD4EE15@videotron.ca>

Hi Peter,

Thank you for the heads up on the ps command. I was able to get Apache running with the original httpd.conf file. Apache does not run with the httpd.conf file that I modified the way you suggested in your previous post for LiveCode server. I must have entered something incorrectly or in the wrong place.


I added

<Directory "Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/">
  		Options +ExecCGI
</Directory>

because the LiveCode server file is in the CGI-Executables folder.


I then added

ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/ "Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/?

within the existing section that begins with <IfModule alias_module> and ends with </IfModule>


And finally, I added

AddHandler lcscript .lc
Action lcscript /livecode-cgi/livecode-server

to the existing section that begins with <IfModule mime_module> and ends with </IfModule>

I notice that in my old Mavericks httpd.conf file, the last two statements, AddHandler and Action, appear in the section <Directory "/Library/WebServer/Documents?> rather than <IfModule mime_module>.

Gregory


> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014, at 6:00 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:19:17 +0800
> From: Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com <mailto:peterwawood at gmail.com>>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>>
> Subject: Re: Can't Start LiveCode Server Under Yosemite
> Message-ID: <6C0422D9-1743-4C33-AC28-8C132C48C316 at gmail.com <mailto:6C0422D9-1743-4C33-AC28-8C132C48C316 at gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
> 
> Hi Gregory
> 
> The first think that I would check is whether Apache is actually running or not. This is how I checked on my machine, using the ps command:
> 
> Schulz:~ fatty$ sudo apachectl start
> Schulz:~ fatty$ ps -U www
>  PID TTY           TIME CMD
> 35439 ??         0:00.00 /usr/sbin/httpd -D FOREGROUND
> Schulz:~ fatty$ sudo apachectl stop
> Schulz:~ fatty$ ps -U www
>  PID TTY           TIME CMD
> Schulz:~ fatty$ sudo apachectl start
> Schulz:~ fatty$ ps -U www
>  PID TTY           TIME CMD
> 35458 ??         0:00.00 /usr/sbin/httpd -D FOREGROUND
> 
> The next thing I would check would be the Apache error log, which you you should be able to do with this command:
> 
> tail /private/var/log/apache2/error_log
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Dec  3 08:08:57 2014
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:08:57 +0000
Subject: Different results in LC with a file from 2 FTP programs
In-Reply-To: <007e01d00e37$90e96770$b2bc3650$@de>
References: <007e01d00e37$90e96770$b2bc3650$@de>
Message-ID: <5A29F0BA-7DDB-41B4-A135-95E67116B639@lacscentre.co.uk>

On 2 Dec 2014, at 13:54, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am downloading a ASCII txt file with "put URL tFile into tContent" from my
> server. Then I filter the content of the file in LC 6.5.2 to get the wanted
> data. I changed my FTP program on Windows to FileZilla because my old FTP
> program didn't had a SFTP protocol, which I wanted to use now. When
> uploading the same file which is locally 397 KB with the old FTP program in
> ASCII mode it increases on my server to 385 KB. When uploading it with
> FileZilla-SFTP in ASCII mode it shows the excat 397 KB in the server.
> 
> 
> 
> Here comes my issue. My LC fails processing the content of the same file,
> when it is uploaded with FileZilla, because after the filter command each
> line still has a "CR" at the end of the line, which is not there, when the
> same file was uploaded with the old FTP program. Usually I would have
> expected a "CR" at the line end, but I have never watched it and because it
> wasn't there with my old FTP program I coded without expecting a "CR" and
> now my program fails with the new format. It is easy to change my code, but
> there are a lot of licences out there at my customers, which I can't change
> that easy.

Tiemo,

It appears that Filezilla does nothing to the data content when transferring in ascii mode. There is some information here:

https://wiki.filezilla-project.org/Data_Type

That would explain why the file size didn't change when uploaded.

Normally, I would consider that a good thing. I always use binary mode in ftp to avoid any unexpected changes. However, in your case, if your application is set to handle the previous format of the uploaded file, I can see it will be a problem for existing users.

Can you compare the content of the same file uploaded with the previous ftp application with the file uploaded by Filezilla? I'm guessing that the previous ftp program converted LF (ascii 10) line endings to CRLF (ascii 13 + ascii 10). But it would be good to check. Then, if you are able to set the file content to match the previous format before uploading with Filezilla, you should be OK. For example, if my guess is correct, replace all linefeed characters with CRLF.

Cheers
Dave


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Dec  3 08:33:06 2014
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:33:06 +0000
Subject: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <547EAB47.5030907@hindu.org>
References: <5461233B.3070603@hindu.org>	<CA+uh5kgWYqq=BTPpQBpPDvgV8iMZ9bSCvstds8G2sBggjPrSKg@mail.gmail.com>	<54664B2B.3060501@cogapp.com>
	<546671E4.8070106@hindu.org>	<54692F12.5070907@cogapp.com>	<CA+uh5ki9xb3Rogfq3Mhg1dRG_2RWf=eiumjMyYpX876y7Tumbg@mail.gmail.com>	<546A6937.7040306@cogapp.com>	<CA+uh5khpUH31cvbRwujfptUaf5V7G6pRtU=s_34qTfNVhqmNKw@mail.gmail.com>	<9FD43748-66D6-4686-ADB1-06E091D6E930@byu.edu>	<5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>	<CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<547EAB47.5030907@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <547F1112.30000@cogapp.com>

For those who just want to get the file, and don't want to learn anything 
about Git or GitHub: if you go the link that Brahmanathaswami gives below, on 
the right of the page you'll find a button "Download ZIP" - that gets you the 
latest version.  Instructions are in the readme and the LiveCode.plist file 
itself.

Ben

On 03/12/2014 06:18, Brahmanathaswami wrote:
> Currently only myself and Ben have direct access, (i.e. can make changes and
> push a new version to the head of origin master) anyone else would have to
> fork the file and send a pull request. I would be more than happy to add
> anyone else to the collaborators list if you
>
> a) know how GitHub works (I'm just learning myself. highly recommend the ebook
> version of ProGit)
>
> b) think you can make a contribution to make the module work better.
>
> Just let me know.
>
> BR
>
>> https://github.com/Brahmanathaswami/LiveCode-BBEdit-Language-Module
>> >
>> >  a public repository.
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed Dec  3 09:46:43 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 15:46:43 +0100
Subject: AW: Different results in LC with a file from 2 FTP programs
In-Reply-To: <5A29F0BA-7DDB-41B4-A135-95E67116B639@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <007e01d00e37$90e96770$b2bc3650$@de>
	<5A29F0BA-7DDB-41B4-A135-95E67116B639@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <006b01d00f07$f53344f0$df99ced0$@de>

Hi Dave,
that sounds plausible, I will give that a try
Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
Auftrag
> von Dave Cragg
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014 14:09
> An: How to use LiveCode
> Betreff: Re: Different results in LC with a file from 2 FTP programs
> 
> On 2 Dec 2014, at 13:54, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am downloading a ASCII txt file with "put URL tFile into tContent"
> > from my server. Then I filter the content of the file in LC 6.5.2 to
> > get the wanted data. I changed my FTP program on Windows to FileZilla
> > because my old FTP program didn't had a SFTP protocol, which I wanted
> > to use now. When uploading the same file which is locally 397 KB with
> > the old FTP program in ASCII mode it increases on my server to 385 KB.
> > When uploading it with FileZilla-SFTP in ASCII mode it shows the excat
397
> KB in the server.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here comes my issue. My LC fails processing the content of the same
> > file, when it is uploaded with FileZilla, because after the filter
> > command each line still has a "CR" at the end of the line, which is
> > not there, when the same file was uploaded with the old FTP program.
> > Usually I would have expected a "CR" at the line end, but I have never
> > watched it and because it wasn't there with my old FTP program I coded
> > without expecting a "CR" and now my program fails with the new format.
> > It is easy to change my code, but there are a lot of licences out
> > there at my customers, which I can't change that easy.
> 
> Tiemo,
> 
> It appears that Filezilla does nothing to the data content when
transferring
> in ascii mode. There is some information here:
> 
> https://wiki.filezilla-project.org/Data_Type
> 
> That would explain why the file size didn't change when uploaded.
> 
> Normally, I would consider that a good thing. I always use binary mode in
ftp
> to avoid any unexpected changes. However, in your case, if your
application is
> set to handle the previous format of the uploaded file, I can see it will
be a
> problem for existing users.
> 
> Can you compare the content of the same file uploaded with the previous
ftp
> application with the file uploaded by Filezilla? I'm guessing that the
> previous ftp program converted LF (ascii 10) line endings to CRLF (ascii
13 +
> ascii 10). But it would be good to check. Then, if you are able to set the
> file content to match the previous format before uploading with Filezilla,
you
> should be OK. For example, if my guess is correct, replace all linefeed
> characters with CRLF.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 09:52:55 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:52:55 -0500
Subject: Request for feedback
In-Reply-To: <547B93A6.30804@gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<547B93A6.30804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <547F23C7.6050805@gmail.com>

I am very happy to say that I was proven wrong.   We are able get the 
information needed to understand how the engine calculated the soft line 
wraps.  If you put the formattedtext of a line that has be wrapped into 
a variable, the variable will contain the text of each segment of the 
line that was wrapped with returns inserted appropriately.   Based on 
the number of characters in each line, you know where the line was wrapped.

-= Mike




On 11/30/14 5:01 PM, Michael Doub wrote:
> After more testing of list formatting, we need the listdepth and 
> listindent as part of a softline because a element of a list can wrap.
>
> Ralph, I have not used formatting within button labels, so I will have 
> to research them.   I am guessing that they do not have all of the 
> settings as a field.  Are they a proper subset of what is listed below 
> or do we need to do the same exercise that is unique for button labels?
>
> Here is a updated view with some line shortenings so the comments wont 
> wrap within the email. (i hope)
>
> -= Mike
>
>
>
> put the formatedStyledAttributes of fld "foo" into rArray
>
> rArray:
>     "height":
>     "width":
>     "dontwrap":
>     "borderwidth":
>     "leftMargin":
>     "topMargin":
>     "rightMargin":
>     "bottomMargin":
>     [line_Nbr]     --    a number for each string
>                         --    terminated by a return
>         "borderwidth":
>         "leftIndent":
>         "rightIndent":
>         "padding":
>         "spaceAbove":
>         "spaceBelow":
>         [softline_number]    --    this the segment of the
>                                         --    line on a row within a 
> field
>             "MaxformattedHeight":      -- of the softline including 
> all runs
>             "MaxformattedWidth":       -- of the softline including 
> all runs
>                                                        -- these are 
> included to make
>                                                        -- calculating 
> scroll positions easier
>             "leftIndent":
>             "firstIndent":    --    only applicable to the first
>                                     --    segment of a paragraph
>             "rightIndent":
>             "padding":
>             "listIndent":        --    listIndent and listdepth are 
> needed
>             "listdepth":         --    as part of the softline because 
> lists
>                                        --    can wrap
>             [run_number]       --    this is the run within the soft line
>                                         --    a tab character is 
> considered a run
>                 "textSize":
>                 "textFont":
>                 "textStyle":
>                 "text":
>                 formattedHeight:
>                 formattedWidth:     --     when text = tab, this is 
> the length
>                                                --    of space 
> allocated to the tab
>             [run_number + 1]
>         [softline_number + 1]
>     [pgh_Nbr + 1]
>
>
> On 11/30/14 3:52 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> Thanks You! I'm a + 1 on this. We need to be able to reliably calculate
>> field/line geometry especially on mobile. I've been wrestling getting 
>> this
>> correct since the new field object was introduced. I have 2 related 
>> bugs on
>> this: http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12176 and
>> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13551
>>
>> It looks like you have all the bases covered. Let's see when RR and 
>> anybody
>> into the sources has to offer on this. Button labels should have this
>> property also.
>>
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Michael Doub
>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 11:57 AM
>> To: How To use LiveCode use LiveCode
>> Subject: Request for feedback
>>
>> I would like the lists assistance in flushing out a enhancement request
>> proposal that I would like to make to the development team. Because 
>> of a bug
>> in the pageranges function where it did not take into account the 
>> spaceabove
>> and spacebelow properties, i attempted to do this manually.
>> I quickly learned that there is no easy way to understand where a 
>> line is
>> actually wrapped.  I was using the formatted size functions measuring 
>> each
>> character and run and getting different answers when measuring the same
>> text.  This was attributed to kerning and letter spacing issues by the
>> support folks.  This was not a very satisfying answer.
>>
>> After working on this for several weeks, I have come to the 
>> conclusion that
>> we can not accurately reproduce the algorithms of the field object 
>> with the
>> current tools available to us.  I would loved to be proven wrong 
>> here, but I
>> threw in the towel and starting thinking about the the information 
>> that is
>> really needed to understand what is actually being displayed within a 
>> field.
>>
>> I am proposing that a property or function be added to livecode field
>> object.  It would be similar to styled text, but it would provide a 
>> PERFECT
>> representation of what is being displayed within a field.  The structure
>> returned would include all attributes needed to understand exactly how a
>> field is laid out and how the text was flowed within the field.
>>
>> For the purposes of this discussion a field is made up of lines.
>> A line is a string terminated by a return.  A line is made up of 
>> softlines.
>> A line may contain a single softline or multiple softlines.
>> A softline is single row of text that fits in the visual area within the
>> field.  SoftLines are made up of runs as defined in styledtext.   A tab
>> character is considered a run.
>>
>> Ok to be clear, a softline is each segment of a line that was wrapped 
>> to fit
>> in to the field.  ;-)
>>
>>
>> put the formatedStyledAttributes of fld "foo" into rArray
>>
>> rArray:
>>       "height":
>>       "width":
>>       "dontwrap":
>>       "borderwidth":
>>       "leftMargin":
>>       "topMargin":
>>       "rightMargin":
>>       "bottomMargin":
>>       [line_Nbr] --  a number for each string terminated by a return
>>           "borderwidth":
>>           "leftIndent":
>>           "rightIndent":
>>           "padding":
>>           "spaceAbove":
>>           "spaceBelow":
>>           [softline_number]  -- this the segment of the line on a row
>> within a field
>>               "MaxformattedHeight":  -- of the softline including all 
>> runs
>>               "MaxformattedWidth":   -- of the softline including all 
>> runs
>>               "leftIndent":
>>               "firstIndent":  -- only applicable to the first segment of
>> a paragraph
>>               "rightIndent":
>>               "padding":
>>               [run_number]      -- this is the run within the soft line
>>                                          -- a tab character is 
>> considered
>> a run
>>                   "textSize":
>>                   "textFont":
>>                   "textStyle":
>>                   "text":
>>                   formattedHeight:
>>                   formattedWidth: -- when text = tab, this is the length
>> of space
>>                                              -- allocated to the tab
>>               [run_number + 1]
>>           [softline_number + 1]
>>       [pgh_Nbr + 1]
>>
>>
>> I added the MaxFormatted Height/Width so it would be easer to calculate
>> the scroll positions.  A function that would tell you the softline
>> number of a given chunk would also be a huge help.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing your comments about this proposal.   I am
>> specifically looking for suggestions on how lists should be handled.
>>
>> Regards,
>>     Mike
>>
>>
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 11:16:12 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 11:16:12 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Release 15 of the MasterLibrary is available
Message-ID: <547F374C.1050908@gmail.com>

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0

I have fixed the version checking logic.  You will need to pick up this 
version with the link above.

Release 15 contains a new __SoftLineBreak implementation that is faster 
and more accurate.  Because of the new accuracy of __SoftLineBreak, I 
have included a workaround function that gives you pageranges taking 
into account the spaceabove and spacebelow.

Regards,
    Mike





From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec  3 11:25:13 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 08:25:13 -0800
Subject: How to open a second window w/o disturbing calling stack.
In-Reply-To: <9CBB77DD-AF84-4091-A4BE-AEF9AD533A6D@mac.com>
References: <mailman.3.1417518001.29701.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<448B4620-7590-4902-B169-1DAB9CC3D6F3@videotron.ca>
	<7BD9BAF4-3891-4B28-B44E-320D24B10FF1@earthednet.org>
	<9CBB77DD-AF84-4091-A4BE-AEF9AD533A6D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <198FA828-62D0-43D7-996B-64FE69CF1F32@earthednet.org>

Graham,
Thanks for checking this. I'm working in lcv7.0, on Mavericks. I'll retest. Sometimes LC needs to be restarted to get things working right. Unfortunately, V7.0.1 ( rc2) crashes on one of my operations, so I'm using v7.0, which crashes on quit. Oh well, hope it gets fixed next release. 
Best,
Bill
William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Dec 3, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> According to the LC Dictionary, ?go? should have done what you want.
> 
>> When going to a previously-unopened stack, if you don't specify a card, the go command displays the first card of the stack. If the stack is already open, the current card of the stack appears and the stack window is brought to the front.
> 
> I just reproduced your described setup exactly - I hope (on a Mac with Yosemite using LC7rc2) and it worked perfectly.
> 
> So, either the version of LC you're using (you don't say which one it is) has let you down (i.e. is buggy), or something else is going on.
> 
> I'll send you my tiny experimental stack off-list if it would help.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
>> On 3 Dec 2014, at 04:01, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> I want to open a second window in my app. The window in the calling stack is the first card of a substack named ?myCallingSubstack?.  I want to go to the first card of a substack named ?mySubstack?. When I do
>> 
>> go to stack ?mySubstack?, the new windows sits behind the calling ?myCallingSubstack?, but ?myCallingSubstack? also reverts to the last card showing in the main stack. 
>> 
>> I want the stack ?mySubstack? to appear in front in a normal window, and I want the ?myCallingSubstack? to stay as it is.
>> 
>> What?s the best way to do this? Docs and lessons don?t seem to address this.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>> 
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From skip at magicgate.com  Wed Dec  3 11:27:18 2014
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:27:18 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Release 15 of the MasterLibrary is available
In-Reply-To: <547F374C.1050908@gmail.com>
References: <547F374C.1050908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4P8mqs31cyCyDO0ECAOzbspA7tD9Fw+nOVefFi2011gJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is anybody else having a problem when trying to launch this they get:
ERROR
Type: if: missing'then'
Object: Lib
Line: if item lComparing of fStartFolder  item lComparing of
fDestinationFolder then
Hint: (musical note)

In am on a Windows machine running LC 6.7

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0
>
> I have fixed the version checking logic.  You will need to pick up this
> version with the link above.
>
> Release 15 contains a new __SoftLineBreak implementation that is faster
> and more accurate.  Because of the new accuracy of __SoftLineBreak, I have
> included a workaround function that gives you pageranges taking into
> account the spaceabove and spacebelow.
>
> Regards,
>    Mike
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From johnpatten at me.com  Wed Dec  3 11:30:29 2014
From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 08:30:29 -0800
Subject: revBrowserOpenCef & revBrowserClose not working
Message-ID: <6495158C-F817-4753-ACD0-42B7CD8FDE8F@me.com>

Hi All,

Using LiveCode 7.0.0 with Yosemite?

I have an openCard script that does the following:

Global tBrowserID
on openCard
   put revBrowserOpenCef(the windowId of this stack, "http://www.youtube.com/embed/9HF_FcHOP-s?controls=1&showinfo=0&showsearch=0&modestbranding=1&rel=0&autoplay=0&autohide=1&iv_load_policy=3&version=2&start=0") into tBrowserId
   revBrowserSet tBrowserID, "rect", the rect of grc "browser"
end openCard

This works fine.

However when I try to close the browser it does not appear to redraw the screen and the browser is still visible.


Global tBrowserID
on mouseDown
answer tBrowserID - - double check to make sure id is there?
revBrowserClose tBrowserID
end mouseDown

When navigating to subsequent cards the browser still hangs around.  What?s worse, if i click the button again to close the browser again, it thinks the browser is closed, though it appears to be still on the screen. This completely locks Livecode up. You can move windows around, but not other events are triggered. I had to Force Quite out of LiveCode.

It doesn?t seem like it should work like this?? Am i missing something?

Thank you!

John Patten
SUSD

From ben at runrev.com  Wed Dec  3 12:44:03 2014
From: ben at runrev.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:44:03 +0000
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 7.0.1 RC3
Message-ID: <CADd0_TydS=Rn+1rvEfV5WG=Nmv2UH3Xp1Nv-v0R_oEE6W=MYbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members,

We're pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 7.0.1 RC3. This is a
maintenance release focusing on bug fixes and refinement.

*Release Contents*
This release contains 32 bug fixes.

For a full list of the bugs fixed in this release please see the release
notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/7_0_1/LiveCodeNotes-7_0_1_rc_3.pdf

*Getting the Release*
To get the release please select "check for updates" from the "help" menu
in the product or download the installer directly at:
http://downloads.livecode.com

*Feeding Back*
If you encounter any issues while working with the release please help us
by creating a report in our quality control center at:
http://quality.runrev.com/

Warm regards,

The LiveCode Team


From ben at runrev.com  Wed Dec  3 12:45:25 2014
From: ben at runrev.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 17:45:25 +0000
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.7.1 RC3
Message-ID: <CADd0_TyT0uLvK52jq7KJ8xRHa9G-fp7WtQSvebbpe=F_LChaqg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members,

We're pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.1 RC3. This is a
maintenance release focusing on bug fixes and refinement.

*Release Contents*
This release contains 7 bug fixes.

For a full list of the bugs fixed in this release please see the release
notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_7_1/LiveCodeNotes-6_7_1_rc_3.pdf

*Getting the Release*
To get the release please select "check for updates" from the "help" menu
in the product or download the installer directly at:
http://downloads.livecode.com

*Feeding Back*
If you encounter any issues while working with the release please help us
by creating a report in our quality control center at:
http://quality.runrev.com/

Warm regards,

The LiveCode Team


From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec  3 13:37:04 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 10:37:04 -0800
Subject: How to open a second window w/o disturbing calling stack.
In-Reply-To: <9CBB77DD-AF84-4091-A4BE-AEF9AD533A6D@mac.com>
References: <mailman.3.1417518001.29701.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<448B4620-7590-4902-B169-1DAB9CC3D6F3@videotron.ca>
	<7BD9BAF4-3891-4B28-B44E-320D24B10FF1@earthednet.org>
	<9CBB77DD-AF84-4091-A4BE-AEF9AD533A6D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6469CBC4-D291-47BD-A254-2D082BFC17CC@earthednet.org>

Grahan:
Ok, after I restarted my computer and relaunched LC, all worked as expected.
Thanks for responding and assuring me that it?s supposed to work the way I want.
Best,
Bill

On Dec 3, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:

> According to the LC Dictionary, ?go? should have done what you want.
> 
>> When going to a previously-unopened stack, if you don't specify a card, the go command displays the first card of the stack. If the stack is already open, the current card of the stack appears and the stack window is brought to the front.
> 
> I just reproduced your described setup exactly - I hope (on a Mac with Yosemite using LC7rc2) and it worked perfectly.
> 
> So, either the version of LC you're using (you don't say which one it is) has let you down (i.e. is buggy), or something else is going on.
> 
> I'll send you my tiny experimental stack off-list if it would help.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Graham
> 
> 
>> On 3 Dec 2014, at 04:01, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks:
>> I want to open a second window in my app. The window in the calling stack is the first card of a substack named ?myCallingSubstack?.  I want to go to the first card of a substack named ?mySubstack?. When I do
>> 
>> go to stack ?mySubstack?, the new windows sits behind the calling ?myCallingSubstack?, but ?myCallingSubstack? also reverts to the last card showing in the main stack. 
>> 
>> I want the stack ?mySubstack? to appear in front in a normal window, and I want the ?myCallingSubstack? to stay as it is.
>> 
>> What?s the best way to do this? Docs and lessons don?t seem to address this.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec  3 14:09:13 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:09:13 -0800
Subject: Crash in V7.0.1 (rc2) fixed in (rc3)
In-Reply-To: <CB52B3B1-697B-4A16-A470-C0EDF9F1989C@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
	<E679FB42-864A-475E-9820-883280F7011D@logilangue.com>
	<77E4B565-71D2-4A01-A921-E42B56305CB0@iotecdigital.com>
	<2E1A310B-C643-40C9-AF33-4AE1B72C5F48@earthednet.org>
	<1F10CAF2-3D05-4B89-B586-AC35B8BAA5CC@earthednet.org>
	<031D43D6-30F4-4862-8644-F58810E1168A@iotecdigital.com>
	<B4310779-C9EE-4036-BE0F-6124084EEB03@earthednet.org>
	<CB52B3B1-697B-4A16-A470-C0EDF9F1989C@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3AFC76C2-CEDB-429B-9BF3-0ACA44B4DB4A@earthednet.org>

Whoopee, the crash I was seeing in V7.0.1(rc2) disappeared in rc3. Thanks, LC team!
Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec  3 14:39:10 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:39:10 -0600
Subject: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <547F1112.30000@cogapp.com>
References: <5461233B.3070603@hindu.org>	<CA+uh5kgWYqq=BTPpQBpPDvgV8iMZ9bSCvstds8G2sBggjPrSKg@mail.gmail.com>	<54664B2B.3060501@cogapp.com>	<546671E4.8070106@hindu.org>	<54692F12.5070907@cogapp.com>	<CA+uh5ki9xb3Rogfq3Mhg1dRG_2RWf=eiumjMyYpX876y7Tumbg@mail.gmail.com>	<546A6937.7040306@cogapp.com>	<CA+uh5khpUH31cvbRwujfptUaf5V7G6pRtU=s_34qTfNVhqmNKw@mail.gmail.com>	<9FD43748-66D6-4686-ADB1-06E091D6E930@byu.edu>	<5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>	<CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>	<547EAB47.5030907@hindu.org>
	<547F1112.30000@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <547F66DE.8090508@hyperactivesw.com>

Clicking the "Download ZIP" button works, thanks. I was one of the 
people who couldn't load the original in BBEdit under Mavericks, but the 
last two versions have worked fine for me so I think you can probably 
remove that warning in the Read Me. Maybe. I think.

Nice to see some syntax coloring in this one, thanks for doing that. If 
anyone knows how to fix the small folding glitches, that'd be great.


On 12/3/2014, 7:33 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> For those who just want to get the file, and don't want to learn
> anything about Git or GitHub: if you go the link that Brahmanathaswami
> gives below, on the right of the page you'll find a button "Download
> ZIP" - that gets you the latest version.  Instructions are in the readme
> and the LiveCode.plist file itself.
>
> Ben
>
> On 03/12/2014 06:18, Brahmanathaswami wrote:
>> Currently only myself and Ben have direct access, (i.e. can make
>> changes and
>> push a new version to the head of origin master) anyone else would
>> have to
>> fork the file and send a pull request. I would be more than happy to add
>> anyone else to the collaborators list if you
>>
>> a) know how GitHub works (I'm just learning myself. highly recommend
>> the ebook
>> version of ProGit)
>>
>> b) think you can make a contribution to make the module work better.
>>
>> Just let me know.
>>
>> BR
>>
>>> https://github.com/Brahmanathaswami/LiveCode-BBEdit-Language-Module
>>> >
>>> >  a public repository.
>>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Dec  3 15:37:33 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:37:33 +0000
Subject: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <547F66DE.8090508@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5461233B.3070603@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kgWYqq=BTPpQBpPDvgV8iMZ9bSCvstds8G2sBggjPrSKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54664B2B.3060501@cogapp.com>	<546671E4.8070106@hindu.org>
	<54692F12.5070907@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5ki9xb3Rogfq3Mhg1dRG_2RWf=eiumjMyYpX876y7Tumbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<546A6937.7040306@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5khpUH31cvbRwujfptUaf5V7G6pRtU=s_34qTfNVhqmNKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FD43748-66D6-4686-ADB1-06E091D6E930@byu.edu>	<5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<547EAB47.5030907@hindu.org>	<547F1112.30000@cogapp.com>
	<547F66DE.8090508@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5ADE8077-B7CD-493A-8712-BB9CC01B40FC@byu.edu>


On Dec 3, 2014, at 12:39 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Clicking the "Download ZIP" button works, thanks. I was one of the people who couldn't load the original in BBEdit under Mavericks, but the last two versions have worked fine for me so I think you can probably remove that warning in the Read Me. Maybe. I think.
> 
> Nice to see some syntax coloring in this one, thanks for doing that. If anyone knows how to fix the small folding glitches, that'd be great.

Ditto what Jacque said. This is so great to have and makes editing .lc files in BBEdit much nicer! 

Ben or Swami, do you know if it?s possible to add folding for repeat loops and if-then structures? It would sure be nice to collapse log, nested if-thens to get a sense of the whole handler or script flow. 

Devin


Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Wed Dec  3 15:58:50 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 20:58:50 -0000
Subject: How to open a second window w/o disturbing calling stack
Message-ID: <009b01d00f3b$f1f3fad0$d5dbf070$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Lock messages
Go cd 1 of stack "mySubStack" as palette
Unlock messages

Or have I misunderstood?

Hugh Senior
FLCo


> Folks:
> I want to open a second window in my app. The window in the calling stack
is
> the first card of a substack named ?myCallingSubstack?.  I want to go to
the
> first card of a substack named ?mySubstack?. When I do
> 
> go to stack ?mySubstack?, the new windows sits behind the calling
> ?myCallingSubstack?, but ?myCallingSubstack? also reverts to the last card
> showing in the main stack.
> 
> I want the stack ?mySubstack? to appear in front in a normal window, and I
> want the ?myCallingSubstack? to stay as it is.
> 
> What?s the best way to do this? Docs and lessons don?t seem to address
> this.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org/




From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec  3 16:57:45 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:57:45 -0800
Subject: Delete and object from script within the object?
In-Reply-To: <009b01d00f3b$f1f3fad0$d5dbf070$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <009b01d00f3b$f1f3fad0$d5dbf070$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <99D6AC48-C2EE-4EBB-BB2C-952B2BF4CBAC@earthednet.org>

Folks:
I?m trying to delete an image from a script within that image  LC doesn?t like that because the script in the object hasn?t finished yet.

?the image script is:
on mouseUp
   put the name of me into myImage
   deleteTheImage myImage"
end mouseUp

?In the stack script
on deleteTheImage imageName
    delete image imageName
end deleteTheImage

The command failed because the ?end mouseUp? has not executed and LC won?t delete the object where a script is running.

How should I approach this? Is there a command to dispatch a message after a short delay? I know there must be, I just can?t find it.

Regards,
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/



From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec  3 16:57:56 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 13:57:56 -0800
Subject: How to open a second window w/o disturbing calling stack
In-Reply-To: <009b01d00f3b$f1f3fad0$d5dbf070$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <009b01d00f3b$f1f3fad0$d5dbf070$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <57D6FFFE-8CED-43AE-99A3-1947FD11EEF7@earthednet.org>

Hugh:
Thanks. I just wanted a second normal window. But, it does work correctly. Don?t know why my test version messed up, but when I came in in the morning, all was working.
Best,
Bill

On Dec 3, 2014, at 12:58 PM, FlexibleLearning.com <admin at FlexibleLearning.com> wrote:

> Lock messages
> Go cd 1 of stack "mySubStack" as palette
> Unlock messages
> 
> Or have I misunderstood?
> 
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
> 
> 
>> Folks:
>> I want to open a second window in my app. The window in the calling stack
> is
>> the first card of a substack named ?myCallingSubstack?.  I want to go to
> the
>> first card of a substack named ?mySubstack?. When I do
>> 
>> go to stack ?mySubstack?, the new windows sits behind the calling
>> ?myCallingSubstack?, but ?myCallingSubstack? also reverts to the last card
>> showing in the main stack.
>> 
>> I want the stack ?mySubstack? to appear in front in a normal window, and I
>> want the ?myCallingSubstack? to stay as it is.
>> 
>> What?s the best way to do this? Docs and lessons don?t seem to address
>> this.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From bvg at mac.com  Wed Dec  3 17:10:41 2014
From: bvg at mac.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 23:10:41 +0100
Subject: Delete and object from script within the object?
In-Reply-To: <99D6AC48-C2EE-4EBB-BB2C-952B2BF4CBAC@earthednet.org>
References: <009b01d00f3b$f1f3fad0$d5dbf070$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<99D6AC48-C2EE-4EBB-BB2C-952B2BF4CBAC@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <05264006-58DA-4899-8EBE-E1530255CCCF@mac.com>

send "deleteTheImage" && myImage to this stack in 0 seconds

On 03 Dec 2014, at 22:57, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Folks:
> I?m trying to delete an image from a script within that image  LC doesn?t like that because the script in the object hasn?t finished yet.
> 
> ?the image script is:
> on mouseUp
>   put the name of me into myImage
>   deleteTheImage myImage"
> end mouseUp
> 
> ?In the stack script
> on deleteTheImage imageName
>    delete image imageName
> end deleteTheImage
> 
> The command failed because the ?end mouseUp? has not executed and LC won?t delete the object where a script is running.
> 
> How should I approach this? Is there a command to dispatch a message after a short delay? I know there must be, I just can?t find it.
> 
> Regards,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org/
> 
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Dec  3 17:35:44 2014
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:35:44 +1100
Subject: [OT] baby
In-Reply-To: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <6E88342A-3510-4A1B-8C5E-A4FDAFCC008B@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <7E7218E6-715D-4288-BDBE-288B874A5F2A@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Folks

Thanks for all the public and private messages from folks on this list. Everyone is home now after Sarah had some help with her breathing for a couple of days and some time under lights for jaundice. She's not quite up to responding to the bug reports yet. You will need to wait until she is at least 2 weeks old for that ;-)

Cheers

Monte

On 28 Nov 2014, at 7:14 am, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks
> 
> We just had a baby so I won't be able to get to mergExt related questions for a few days. Rebecca(mum) and Sarah(bub) are doing well but Sarah has a few breathing issues so needs some extra O2 for a while.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte
> 
> --
> M E R Goulding
> Software development services
> 
> mergExt - There's an external for that!
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec  3 17:40:23 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 14:40:23 -0800
Subject: Delete and object from script within the object?
In-Reply-To: <05264006-58DA-4899-8EBE-E1530255CCCF@mac.com>
References: <009b01d00f3b$f1f3fad0$d5dbf070$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<99D6AC48-C2EE-4EBB-BB2C-952B2BF4CBAC@earthednet.org>
	<05264006-58DA-4899-8EBE-E1530255CCCF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CF5E0E8B-586C-4719-BA32-4CAE5E8B8620@earthednet.org>

Great! Thanks Bjornke!
Bo;;

On Dec 3, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> send "deleteTheImage" && myImage to this stack in 0 seconds
> 
> On 03 Dec 2014, at 22:57, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Folks:
>> I?m trying to delete an image from a script within that image  LC doesn?t like that because the script in the object hasn?t finished yet.
>> 
>> ?the image script is:
>> on mouseUp
>>  put the name of me into myImage
>>  deleteTheImage myImage"
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> ?In the stack script
>> on deleteTheImage imageName
>>   delete image imageName
>> end deleteTheImage
>> 
>> The command failed because the ?end mouseUp? has not executed and LC won?t delete the object where a script is running.
>> 
>> How should I approach this? Is there a command to dispatch a message after a short delay? I know there must be, I just can?t find it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> 
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Dec  3 18:43:25 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 07:43:25 +0800
Subject: use-livecode Digest, Vol 135, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <FDD19A60-F7F3-4E7E-9C6E-EF5C1BD4EE15@videotron.ca>
References: <mailman.3.1417604402.26836.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<FDD19A60-F7F3-4E7E-9C6E-EF5C1BD4EE15@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <05DCAC95-9EDA-45A6-AD09-BB68076E17A5@gmail.com>

Hi Gregory

I believe that you need to use absolute filepaths in the Apache configuration file rather than relative ones. So I think you will need to change

	"Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/?>

to

	?/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/?> or

	?/Users/<username>/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/?>

You will need to change the script-alias entry to match.

Hope this helps.

Peter


> On 3 Dec 2014, at 20:51, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Thank you for the heads up on the ps command. I was able to get Apache running with the original httpd.conf file. Apache does not run with the httpd.conf file that I modified the way you suggested in your previous post for LiveCode server. I must have entered something incorrectly or in the wrong place.
> 
> 
> I added
> 
> <Directory "Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/">
>  		Options +ExecCGI
> </Directory>
> 
> because the LiveCode server file is in the CGI-Executables folder.
> 
> 
> I then added
> 
> ScriptAlias /livecode-cgi/ "Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/?
> 
> within the existing section that begins with <IfModule alias_module> and ends with </IfModule>
> 
> 
> And finally, I added
> 
> AddHandler lcscript .lc
> Action lcscript /livecode-cgi/livecode-server
> 
> to the existing section that begins with <IfModule mime_module> and ends with </IfModule>
> 
> I notice that in my old Mavericks httpd.conf file, the last two statements, AddHandler and Action, appear in the section <Directory "/Library/WebServer/Documents?> rather than <IfModule mime_module>.
> 
> Gregory




From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Dec  4 09:05:13 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:05:13 +0100
Subject: Can you please enlighten me on the LiveCode versions?
In-Reply-To: <07D1F780-C9A4-406E-AFD6-DAA1BC12EF7A@earthednet.org>
References: <52F4CD4098B27344A9CC4FA0329B88B24BF6C031@CAE145EMBP03.ds.sc.edu>
	<543FFDB9.5010804@fourthworld.com>
	<CA+uh5kioSxCxQhbaWG_8dRa-56MCj+xA0k4S9LYN60OYhx-yTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<07D1F780-C9A4-406E-AFD6-DAA1BC12EF7A@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <065A0B9B-90EF-4D09-A906-9787605FD1DA@mac.com>

The short answer is yes, at least for Mac Yosemite and Windows 7, since that's what I was doing yesterday, and my standalones were working very well. There may be an issue with earlier versions of OS X, specifically Lion - RunRev are investigating this possibility as I write. Of course your mileage may vary: I  don't use every part of LC's functionality (who could?) but I do have a small amount of Unicode-aware scripting, which is why I migrated to LC7 in the first place.

HTH

Graham

Sent from my iPad

> On 18 Oct 2014, at 18:53, Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to build a standalone in LC 7 rc3 at this time? Unfortunately, I have been working in 7 for awhile and want to have a standalone in January.
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> But if you need stability, the most recent public release build is the
>>> best bet, as those are the versions the community has tested and can no
>>> longer find show-stoppers for.
>>> 
>>> An excellent overview, thank you. I think the only thing worth adding is
>> due to Unicode 7.0 and above are a different file format therefore you need
>> to be careful you don't accidentally open the sole copy of your soon to be
>> released killer app in 7.x.
>> 
>> You can do all your work in 6.x.y, make a copy, open it in 7.x and see how
>> it behaves.
>> 
>> You can't open in 7.x, do modifications, Save, Quit and then open that
>> stack using 6.x.y
>> 
>> Any modifications done in a 7.x copy would need to be manually transferred
>> back into a 6.x.y stack.
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Dec  4 12:13:13 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:13:13 +0000
Subject: How to open a second window w/o disturbing calling stack.
In-Reply-To: <198FA828-62D0-43D7-996B-64FE69CF1F32@earthednet.org>
References: <mailman.3.1417518001.29701.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<448B4620-7590-4902-B169-1DAB9CC3D6F3@videotron.ca>
	<7BD9BAF4-3891-4B28-B44E-320D24B10FF1@earthednet.org>
	<9CBB77DD-AF84-4091-A4BE-AEF9AD533A6D@mac.com>
	<198FA828-62D0-43D7-996B-64FE69CF1F32@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <0CC5E9DB-3C2F-413C-A49B-F4C0BAEF1D29@iotecdigital.com>

Again, and no implied disrespect to the developers who I believe have been doing a bang up job, I have not started using V7 for production work yet. I keep a V6.7 stack file as my development file, and if I want to play around in V7 I save as a different stack file. 

Bob S


> On Dec 3, 2014, at 08:25 , Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> Thanks for checking this. I'm working in lcv7.0, on Mavericks. I'll retest. Sometimes LC needs to be restarted to get things working right. Unfortunately, V7.0.1 ( rc2) crashes on one of my operations, so I'm using v7.0, which crashes on quit. Oh well, hope it gets fixed next release. 
> Best,
> Bill
> William Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 3:00 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> According to the LC Dictionary, ?go? should have done what you want.
>> 
>>> When going to a previously-unopened stack, if you don't specify a card, the go command displays the first card of the stack. If the stack is already open, the current card of the stack appears and the stack window is brought to the front.
>> 
>> I just reproduced your described setup exactly - I hope (on a Mac with Yosemite using LC7rc2) and it worked perfectly.
>> 
>> So, either the version of LC you're using (you don't say which one it is) has let you down (i.e. is buggy), or something else is going on.
>> 
>> I'll send you my tiny experimental stack off-list if it would help.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Dec 2014, at 04:01, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Folks:
>>> I want to open a second window in my app. The window in the calling stack is the first card of a substack named ?myCallingSubstack?.  I want to go to the first card of a substack named ?mySubstack?. When I do
>>> 
>>> go to stack ?mySubstack?, the new windows sits behind the calling ?myCallingSubstack?, but ?myCallingSubstack? also reverts to the last card showing in the main stack. 
>>> 
>>> I want the stack ?mySubstack? to appear in front in a normal window, and I want the ?myCallingSubstack? to stay as it is.
>>> 
>>> What?s the best way to do this? Docs and lessons don?t seem to address this.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> William A. Prothero
>>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>>> 
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Thu Dec  4 12:15:45 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 17:15:45 +0000
Subject: Delete and object from script within the object?
In-Reply-To: <05264006-58DA-4899-8EBE-E1530255CCCF@mac.com>
References: <009b01d00f3b$f1f3fad0$d5dbf070$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<99D6AC48-C2EE-4EBB-BB2C-952B2BF4CBAC@earthednet.org>
	<05264006-58DA-4899-8EBE-E1530255CCCF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8BFEB82D-0342-4461-A24C-D92A897249C0@iotecdigital.com>

Right. You cannot delete an object that has a running handler.

Bob S


On Dec 3, 2014, at 14:10 , Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com<mailto:bvg at mac.com>> wrote:

send "deleteTheImage" && myImage to this stack in 0 seconds

On 03 Dec 2014, at 22:57, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org<mailto:prothero at earthednet.org>> wrote:

Folks:
I?m trying to delete an image from a script within that image  LC doesn?t like that because the script in the object hasn?t finished yet.

?the image script is:
on mouseUp
 put the name of me into myImage
 deleteTheImage myImage"
end mouseUp

?In the stack script
on deleteTheImage imageName
  delete image imageName
end deleteTheImage

The command failed because the ?end mouseUp? has not executed and LC won?t delete the object where a script is running.

How should I approach this? Is there a command to dispatch a message after a short delay? I know there must be, I just can?t find it.

Regards,
Bill



From mkoob at rogers.com  Thu Dec  4 13:23:36 2014
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 10:23:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.7.1 RC3
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TyT0uLvK52jq7KJ8xRHa9G-fp7WtQSvebbpe=F_LChaqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TyT0uLvK52jq7KJ8xRHa9G-fp7WtQSvebbpe=F_LChaqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1417717416336-4686458.post@n4.nabble.com>

The new versions don't show up for me in the check for updates window in LC
6.7.

Martin




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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Dec  4 14:14:41 2014
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:14:41 -0200
Subject: Changes to LiveCode Linux Extensions
Message-ID: <5480B2A1.2070204@howsoft.com>

Hi Linux fans!

Some of you might remember that a few years back I provided a number of 
"LiveCode Extensions for Linux", in order to get around limitations 
existing in Rev/Linux at that time. I hope you found them useful. 
However, now that Rev are about to launch LiveCode 7, most of these 
limitations have disappeared, and in anticipation of this, I have 
updated the web page at howsoft.com accordingly:

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/extensions/

One remaining extension is the embedded WebKit "Web Browser", which 
Livecode/Linux achieves by firing Python scripts. The new demo of this 
extension corrects 2 limitations of the previous version:

1. When shelled from LiveCode, closing a Python browser window does not 
terminate the process. After firing various Python sripts one after the 
other (and leaving all the processes running), the previous version of 
this LiveCode extension provided a button to kill off all Python 
processes to get rid of them! Not very satisfactory! In the new demo, 
firing a new Python script kills off the previous process. Finally, 
closing the LiveCode window kills off the remaining Python process. 
Other Python processes running outside the LiveCode shell are not touched.

2. For some reason, the Python browser windows were not always being 
positioned as specified by script in the previous version. Since I am no 
Python programmer, it took me a while to discover the reason for this. 
Apparently, although you can specify the SIZE of the Python window (in 
the script) BEFORE displaying it, you can only specify the LOCATION of 
the Python window AFTER you have displayed it! The example scripts of 
the demo have therefore been updated to take this into account.

I read somewhere that the new LiveCode WebKit browser for Linux is 
"Coming Soon" after the Windows and Mac versions. I hope that this 
improved Python solution tides you over in the m..e..a..n..t..i..m..e!

Regards to all,

Bob Warren




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 14:52:00 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 21:52:00 +0200
Subject: Changes to LiveCode Linux Extensions
In-Reply-To: <5480B2A1.2070204@howsoft.com>
References: <5480B2A1.2070204@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <5480BB60.1030001@gmail.com>

On 04/12/14 21:14, Bob Warren wrote:
> Hi Linux fans!
>
> Some of you might remember that a few years back I provided a number 
> of "LiveCode Extensions for Linux", in order to get around limitations 
> existing in Rev/Linux at that time. I hope you found them useful. 
> However, now that Rev are about to launch LiveCode 7, most of these 
> limitations have disappeared, and in anticipation of this, I have 
> updated the web page at howsoft.com accordingly:
>
>

"now that Rev are about to launch LiveCode 7"

Really?

Richmond.




From prothero at earthednet.org  Thu Dec  4 16:40:27 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 13:40:27 -0800
Subject: How to open a second window w/o disturbing calling stack.
In-Reply-To: <0CC5E9DB-3C2F-413C-A49B-F4C0BAEF1D29@iotecdigital.com>
References: <mailman.3.1417518001.29701.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<448B4620-7590-4902-B169-1DAB9CC3D6F3@videotron.ca>
	<7BD9BAF4-3891-4B28-B44E-320D24B10FF1@earthednet.org>
	<9CBB77DD-AF84-4091-A4BE-AEF9AD533A6D@mac.com>
	<198FA828-62D0-43D7-996B-64FE69CF1F32@earthednet.org>
	<0CC5E9DB-3C2F-413C-A49B-F4C0BAEF1D29@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <5B6F11F1-8D12-4713-85DF-A80F08A47954@earthednet.org>

Bob:
that makes good sense. Unfortunately, I?ve done a lot of work with V7 and so far it hasn?t let me down, especially after the last 3 releases of 7.0.1 have fixed a couple of problems I had. Fortunately, I had quite a bit of lead time for my application, but now I?ve got to get a beta out by next week. I think it?s going to be ok.
Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/

On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> Again, and no implied disrespect to the developers who I believe have been doing a bang up job, I have not started using V7 for production work yet. I keep a V6.7 stack file as my development file, and if I want to play around in V7 I save as a different stack file. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2014, at 08:25 , Earthednet-wp <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:



From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 02:29:24 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 07:29:24 +0000
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.7.1 RC3
References: <CADd0_TyT0uLvK52jq7KJ8xRHa9G-fp7WtQSvebbpe=F_LChaqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1417717416336-4686458.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFHYfEHw9Nm+1N1X0wJS1uycH0BQ76hf+NeUUVSpPSpyXw@mail.gmail.com>

Ditto.

g


On Fri Dec 05 2014 at 5:31:47 AM Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:

> The new versions don't show up for me in the check for updates window in LC
> 6.7.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.
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From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 02:29:24 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 07:29:24 +0000
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.7.1 RC3
References: <CADd0_TyT0uLvK52jq7KJ8xRHa9G-fp7WtQSvebbpe=F_LChaqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1417717416336-4686458.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFHYfEHw9Nm+1N1X0wJS1uycH0BQ76hf+NeUUVSpPSpyXw@mail.gmail.com>

Ditto.

g


On Fri Dec 05 2014 at 5:31:47 AM Martin Koob <mkoob at rogers.com> wrote:

> The new versions don't show up for me in the check for updates window in LC
> 6.7.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Fri Dec  5 06:56:17 2014
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi))
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:56:17 +0000
Subject: Delete and object from script within the object?
In-Reply-To: <8BFEB82D-0342-4461-A24C-D92A897249C0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <009b01d00f3b$f1f3fad0$d5dbf070$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<99D6AC48-C2EE-4EBB-BB2C-952B2BF4CBAC@earthednet.org>
	<05264006-58DA-4899-8EBE-E1530255CCCF@mac.com>
	<8BFEB82D-0342-4461-A24C-D92A897249C0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSTXP6-e8+dy1xQKE_YT1PoEdLTYbasVfby_B2byU19Xsw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill

Have the delete message on your stack script and use 'send "deleteTheImage
myImage" to this stack in 0 sec'. This will then wait until the current
message path has completed and then run the deleteTheImage command. That
way there will be no more scripts running that will stop it deleting.

Hope this helps

Sean Cole
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On 4 December 2014 at 17:15, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> Right. You cannot delete an object that has a running handler.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2014, at 14:10 , Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com<mailto:
> bvg at mac.com>> wrote:
>
> send "deleteTheImage" && myImage to this stack in 0 seconds
>
> On 03 Dec 2014, at 22:57, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org
> <mailto:prothero at earthednet.org>> wrote:
>
> Folks:
> I?m trying to delete an image from a script within that image  LC doesn?t
> like that because the script in the object hasn?t finished yet.
>
> ?the image script is:
> on mouseUp
>  put the name of me into myImage
>  deleteTheImage myImage"
> end mouseUp
>
> ?In the stack script
> on deleteTheImage imageName
>   delete image imageName
> end deleteTheImage
>
> The command failed because the ?end mouseUp? has not executed and LC won?t
> delete the object where a script is running.
>
> How should I approach this? Is there a command to dispatch a message after
> a short delay? I know there must be, I just can?t find it.
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
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From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Fri Dec  5 10:45:14 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:45:14 -0000
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager for LiveCode, in-store now
Message-ID: <011201d010a2$771fbf20$655f3d60$@FlexibleLearning.com>

ControlManager for Livecode is now available in-store...

https://livecode.com/store/marketplace/controlManager-1-0-0

as well as direct from www.flexibleLearning.com/controlmanager


Thank you for all the positive feedback.


And ControlManager is improving all the time. Just added...

. Embedded media
. 'Celestial overview' improvements

I hope you will find it a useful addition to your development toolbox.


Hugh Senior
FLCo




From skip at magicgate.com  Fri Dec  5 11:40:20 2014
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 11:40:20 -0500
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager for LiveCode, in-store now
In-Reply-To: <011201d010a2$771fbf20$655f3d60$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <011201d010a2$771fbf20$655f3d60$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4OF-yVWX-EvcoZOtSVdNbUgUh+Qtvw9fNSQpvoJnpR-4g@mail.gmail.com>

Just purchased and looking forward to using it!

SKIP

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:45 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:

> ControlManager for Livecode is now available in-store...
>
> https://livecode.com/store/marketplace/controlManager-1-0-0
>
> as well as direct from www.flexibleLearning.com/controlmanager
>
>
> Thank you for all the positive feedback.
>
>
> And ControlManager is improving all the time. Just added...
>
> . Embedded media
> . 'Celestial overview' improvements
>
> I hope you will find it a useful addition to your development toolbox.
>
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
>
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From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Fri Dec  5 11:49:29 2014
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi))
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:49:29 +0000
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager for LiveCode, in-store now
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4OF-yVWX-EvcoZOtSVdNbUgUh+Qtvw9fNSQpvoJnpR-4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <011201d010a2$771fbf20$655f3d60$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<CAO8Ty4OF-yVWX-EvcoZOtSVdNbUgUh+Qtvw9fNSQpvoJnpR-4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSQqM=qW6L3sZSU=ufHenJFFL_txvyM8C67xG3ZvkKSoPw@mail.gmail.com>

Me to :) Well done Hugh.

(Turning off messages tends to break it - Close it down first before
inhibiting messages)

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On 5 December 2014 at 16:40, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <
skip at magicgate.com> wrote:

> Just purchased and looking forward to using it!
>
> SKIP
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:45 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
> admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:
>
> > ControlManager for Livecode is now available in-store...
> >
> > https://livecode.com/store/marketplace/controlManager-1-0-0
> >
> > as well as direct from www.flexibleLearning.com/controlmanager
> >
> >
> > Thank you for all the positive feedback.
> >
> >
> > And ControlManager is improving all the time. Just added...
> >
> > . Embedded media
> > . 'Celestial overview' improvements
> >
> > I hope you will find it a useful addition to your development toolbox.
> >
> >
> > Hugh Senior
> > FLCo
> >
> >
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Dec  5 13:26:47 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:26:47 -0800
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>

word 1 of a string like myProps["cProp"] returns the whole string. Word 2
returns"cProp"]

Since cProp is enclosed in double quotes I was expecting:

word 1 --> myProps[
word 2 --> "cProp"
word 3--> ]

This is with LC 6.6.2/OSX.

Pete
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 16:19:59 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:19:59 -0500
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6AF13A6-607B-418E-8C29-14BA342C6148@gmail.com>

On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> word 1 of a string like myProps["cProp"] returns the whole string. Word 2
> returns"cProp"]
> 
> Since cProp is enclosed in double quotes I was expecting:
> 
> word 1 --> myProps[
> word 2 --> "cProp"
> word 3--> ]
> 
> This is with LC 6.6.2/OSX.

Does the same in LC 5.5, but only in the messagebox.

myProps["cProp"]
word 1 -> myProps["cProp"]
word 2 -> "cProp"].

Also in the messagebox, if you ask for word 3 or word 4 or word 63 of that string, you get "cProp"] as well, so there's something screwy about using the messagebox for this. But in a button script, it returns word 1 as the whole string and word 2 as empty, which is at least consistent. However, put a space in the middle of "cProp":

myProps["c Prop"]
word 1: myProps["c
word 2: Prop"]

So in this case a string surrounded by quotation marks is not treated as one word. BUT:

myProps[ "c Prop" ]
word 1: myProps[
word 2: "c Prop"
word 3: ]

This scripting language is described as "english-like" and it's living up to its name -- every rule has its unexpected exceptions. Don't get me wrong, I love LC, but some things drive me nuts.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Dec  5 16:42:30 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:42:30 -0500
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1DEEB7FD6E93E-E40-E2CC@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>

Hi.


In 6.7 OS (10.9), word 1 is the whole string, word 2 is empty.


Craig



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Sent: Fri, Dec 5, 2014 1:28 pm
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing


word 1 of a string like myProps["cProp"] returns the whole string. Word 2
returns"cProp"]

Since cProp is enclosed in double quotes I was expecting:

word 1 --> myProps[
word 2 --> "cProp"
word 3--> ]

This is with LC 6.6.2/OSX.

Pete
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Dec  5 16:49:44 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:49:44 -0600
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <F6AF13A6-607B-418E-8C29-14BA342C6148@gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F6AF13A6-607B-418E-8C29-14BA342C6148@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54822878.70107@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/5/2014, 3:19 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote:
> myProps["cProp"]
> word 1 -> myProps["cProp"]
> word 2 -> "cProp"].
>
> Also in the messagebox, if you ask for word 3 or word 4 or word 63 of
> that string, you get "cProp"] as well, so there's something screwy about
> using the messagebox for this. But in a button script, it returns word 1
> as the whole string and word 2 as empty, which is at least consistent.

It may be that's because the "string" is notated as an array element and 
the parser is trying to evaluate and treat it that way. It's getting 
confused.

Also, I think the rule for quoted text being a single word relies on 
there being space before the first quote. Try tokens instead of words. 
There should be four.

> So in this case a string surrounded by quotation marks is not treated as one word. BUT:
>
> myProps[ "c Prop" ]
> word 1: myProps[
> word 2: "c Prop"
> word 3: ]

This structure destroys the array notation enough that the parser seems 
to be able to deal with that as a regular string.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Dec  5 17:39:30 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 14:39:30 -0800
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <F6AF13A6-607B-418E-8C29-14BA342C6148@gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F6AF13A6-607B-418E-8C29-14BA342C6148@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePvsVwkR+QkqWFEYtTcsTWt5=aQwXmv-Y1iu3ghyhNBzw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, my tests were in the message box.

Not that a big deal now I know what it does.  Seems that the presence of a
space/tab/return word delimiter overrides the presence of a quoted string
within those delimiters.  Off to make a dictionary note.

Pete
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On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> > word 1 of a string like myProps["cProp"] returns the whole string. Word 2
> > returns"cProp"]
> >
> > Since cProp is enclosed in double quotes I was expecting:
> >
> > word 1 --> myProps[
> > word 2 --> "cProp"
> > word 3--> ]
> >
> > This is with LC 6.6.2/OSX.
>
> Does the same in LC 5.5, but only in the messagebox.
>
> myProps["cProp"]
> word 1 -> myProps["cProp"]
> word 2 -> "cProp"].
>
> Also in the messagebox, if you ask for word 3 or word 4 or word 63 of that
> string, you get "cProp"] as well, so there's something screwy about using
> the messagebox for this. But in a button script, it returns word 1 as the
> whole string and word 2 as empty, which is at least consistent. However,
> put a space in the middle of "cProp":
>
> myProps["c Prop"]
> word 1: myProps["c
> word 2: Prop"]
>
> So in this case a string surrounded by quotation marks is not treated as
> one word. BUT:
>
> myProps[ "c Prop" ]
> word 1: myProps[
> word 2: "c Prop"
> word 3: ]
>
> This scripting language is described as "english-like" and it's living up
> to its name -- every rule has its unexpected exceptions. Don't get me
> wrong, I love LC, but some things drive me nuts.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 17:58:58 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:58:58 -0700
Subject: Keep a stack in back
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrrvJn+vYdKnKmN_0bg+iUEyrB50DH32NDFeh+83+Q9EA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a quick (I hope) question.. Is there a way to have a stack behind
all other stacks all the time? Yet have it still be usable as long as its
not obscured by other stacks/windows.  It would also need to remain behind
all other windows not just LC stacks.

Is this possible?  If so, could someone point me in the right direction?


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Dec  5 18:23:04 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:23:04 +0000
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <8D1DEEB7FD6E93E-E40-E2CC@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1DEEB7FD6E93E-E40-E2CC@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <6564DC14-5788-44ED-A7B5-39865C8B86A7@iotecdigital.com>

If that is the case, then word 1 return the correct value, word 2 is incorrect. Word boundaries are spaces and there are no spaces so word 1 *should* be the whole string and word 2 should be empty.

Bob S


On Dec 5, 2014, at 13:42 , dunbarx at aol.com<mailto:dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

word 1 of a string like myProps["cProp"] returns the whole string. Word 2
returns"cProp"]

Since cProp is enclosed in double quotes I was expecting:

word 1 --> myProps[
word 2 --> "cProp"
word 3--> ]

This is with LC 6.6.2/OSX.

Pete



From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Dec  5 18:23:52 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 18:23:52 -0500
Subject: Keep a stack in back
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrrvJn+vYdKnKmN_0bg+iUEyrB50DH32NDFeh+83+Q9EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSrrvJn+vYdKnKmN_0bg+iUEyrB50DH32NDFeh+83+Q9EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1DEF9AA261DBE-E40-E99B@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>

Mike.


If all of what you say is true, why not just hide the stack? No management needed.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 5, 2014 5:59 pm
Subject: Keep a stack in back


I have a quick (I hope) question.. Is there a way to have a stack behind
all other stacks all the time? Yet have it still be usable as long as its
not obscured by other stacks/windows.  It would also need to remain behind
all other windows not just LC stacks.

Is this possible?  If so, could someone point me in the right direction?
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 19:18:02 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 17:18:02 -0700
Subject: Keep a stack in back
In-Reply-To: <8D1DEF9AA261DBE-E40-E99B@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAG1cpSrrvJn+vYdKnKmN_0bg+iUEyrB50DH32NDFeh+83+Q9EA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1DEF9AA261DBE-E40-E99B@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpY9K9wEM73o5D3LiDt8xreB4A711J572iqt46MUnONsA@mail.gmail.com>

This is the key line that explains the need:  Yet have it still be usable
as long as its
not obscured by other stacks/windows.

Basically, I want it to be sitting in the background, and well. Like the
desktop, if you move windows around so you can see icons and whatnot, you
can interact with that desktop but it doesn't jump up to the front and
obscure other windows.  Thats the behavior i'm looking for.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

> Mike.
>
>
> If all of what you say is true, why not just hide the stack? No management
> needed.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Fri, Dec 5, 2014 5:59 pm
> Subject: Keep a stack in back
>
>
> I have a quick (I hope) question.. Is there a way to have a stack behind
> all other stacks all the time? Yet have it still be usable as long as its
> not obscured by other stacks/windows.  It would also need to remain behind
> all other windows not just LC stacks.
>
> Is this possible?  If so, could someone point me in the right direction?
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 19:24:34 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 17:24:34 -0700
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <6564DC14-5788-44ED-A7B5-39865C8B86A7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1DEEB7FD6E93E-E40-E2CC@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
	<6564DC14-5788-44ED-A7B5-39865C8B86A7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSohW=8wKgCS6LJ3KkDSiK+aQ8keXsQK8iXU8_fB_mtaCQ@mail.gmail.com>

>From the 6.6.2 dictionary, though that line doesn't mention tab and
return.  Its just not handling quoted parts of a string very well it seems.


Summary:
Used with the sort command, number function, and is among and is not among
properties to designate space-delimited or quoted parts of a string. Also
used with the find command to search for one or more entire words.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> If that is the case, then word 1 return the correct value, word 2 is
> incorrect. Word boundaries are spaces and there are no spaces so word 1
> *should* be the whole string and word 2 should be empty.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2014, at 13:42 , dunbarx at aol.com<mailto:dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:
>
> word 1 of a string like myProps["cProp"] returns the whole string. Word 2
> returns"cProp"]
>
> Since cProp is enclosed in double quotes I was expecting:
>
> word 1 --> myProps[
> word 2 --> "cProp"
> word 3--> ]
>
> This is with LC 6.6.2/OSX.
>
> Pete
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Fri Dec  5 19:39:18 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:39:18 -0800
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <6564DC14-5788-44ED-A7B5-39865C8B86A7@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1DEEB7FD6E93E-E40-E2CC@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
	<6564DC14-5788-44ED-A7B5-39865C8B86A7@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMYAGx_avTFi98H6vNMo5FXbnokbSKEPOM3H6zohHR21w@mail.gmail.com>

It's not quite as straightforward as that since strings within double
quotes are supposed to be recognized as words too.  I'm fine with the way
it works but the dictionary needs a few more words to explain that strings
in quotes also need to have space/return/tab around them to qualify as
words.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> If that is the case, then word 1 return the correct value, word 2 is
> incorrect. Word boundaries are spaces and there are no spaces so word 1
> *should* be the whole string and word 2 should be empty.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2014, at 13:42 , dunbarx at aol.com<mailto:dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:
>
> word 1 of a string like myProps["cProp"] returns the whole string. Word 2
> returns"cProp"]
>
> Since cProp is enclosed in double quotes I was expecting:
>
> word 1 --> myProps[
> word 2 --> "cProp"
> word 3--> ]
>
> This is with LC 6.6.2/OSX.
>
> Pete
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Dec  5 19:45:32 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:45:32 -0800
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMYAGx_avTFi98H6vNMo5FXbnokbSKEPOM3H6zohHR21w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eMYAGx_avTFi98H6vNMo5FXbnokbSKEPOM3H6zohHR21w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548251AC.4040707@fourthworld.com>

For natural-language words v7's Unicode routines should handle things well.

For parsing LiveCode expressions try using the "token" chunk type.

-- 
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  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
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From irog at mac.com  Fri Dec  5 22:21:37 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:21:37 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>

I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.

Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?

TIA,
Roger


From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Dec  5 23:31:30 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:31:30 -0500
Subject: Keep a stack in back
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpY9K9wEM73o5D3LiDt8xreB4A711J572iqt46MUnONsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSrrvJn+vYdKnKmN_0bg+iUEyrB50DH32NDFeh+83+Q9EA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1DEF9AA261DBE-E40-E99B@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
	<CAG1cpSpY9K9wEM73o5D3LiDt8xreB4A711J572iqt46MUnONsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1DF24A426BC3D-2A28-13884@webmail-vm031.sysops.aol.com>

Mike.


I see.


How about hiliting the "float above everything" checkbox for all the other stacks?


Watch out for that, though. It works across all open apps, not just LC windows.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 5, 2014 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: Keep a stack in back


This is the key line that explains the need:  Yet have it still be usable
as long as its
not obscured by other stacks/windows.

Basically, I want it to be sitting in the background, and well. Like the
desktop, if you move windows around so you can see icons and whatnot, you
can interact with that desktop but it doesn't jump up to the front and
obscure other windows.  Thats the behavior i'm looking for.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

> Mike.
>
>
> If all of what you say is true, why not just hide the stack? No management
> needed.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Fri, Dec 5, 2014 5:59 pm
> Subject: Keep a stack in back
>
>
> I have a quick (I hope) question.. Is there a way to have a stack behind
> all other stacks all the time? Yet have it still be usable as long as its
> not obscured by other stacks/windows.  It would also need to remain behind
> all other windows not just LC stacks.
>
> Is this possible?  If so, could someone point me in the right direction?
> _______________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Dec  6 00:11:12 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 21:11:12 -0800
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMYAGx_avTFi98H6vNMo5FXbnokbSKEPOM3H6zohHR21w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eMYAGx_avTFi98H6vNMo5FXbnokbSKEPOM3H6zohHR21w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54828FF0.2060601@fourthworld.com>

If you're doing this on Linux you can install wmctrl and have shell 
control over window z-order and much more.

<http://spiralofhope.com/wmctrl-examples.html>


-- 
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  ____________________________________________________________
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Dec  6 01:19:01 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:19:01 -0800
Subject: Inhibit messages to back window
In-Reply-To: <4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A4EE460E-E363-4445-A433-2E885991A83A@earthednet.org>

Hi. My app has 2 windows open during some operations. But, when I move the mouse over the window behind (if it isn?t hidden or positioned exactly behind, it still gets mouse messages if the mouse is moved over it. I would like to have only the front window get messages. Then, when the window that?s not front is clicked, it will get the mouse messages.

What is the procedure for doing this?
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/



From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Dec  6 01:44:14 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:44:14 -0800
Subject: Inhibit messages to back window
In-Reply-To: <A4EE460E-E363-4445-A433-2E885991A83A@earthednet.org>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<A4EE460E-E363-4445-A433-2E885991A83A@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <63EDCE25-7A19-4318-9211-ABFE3E7DE63F@earthednet.org>

Never mind. I solved this by testing the offending script in the back window to see if the topstack was the name of that stack. Worked fine.
Bill

On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:19 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Hi. My app has 2 windows open during some operations. But, when I move the mouse over the window behind (if it isn?t hidden or positioned exactly behind, it still gets mouse messages if the mouse is moved over it. I would like to have only the front window get messages. Then, when the window that?s not front is clicked, it will get the mouse messages.
> 
> What is the procedure for doing this?
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org/
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 04:43:56 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:43:56 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com>
	<000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5482CFDC.4020502@gmail.com>

On 06/12/14 05:21, Roger Guay wrote:
> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
>
> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
>
> TIA,
> Roger
>

There seems to be quite a lot to hate about Yosemite.

I wonder what Apple thought they were doing.

Richmond.



From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Dec  6 07:44:15 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:44:15 +0000
Subject: TopStack focus issue
Message-ID: <49E7B63C-91A4-4BA3-BD4D-6D6E6BECAFC8@mac.com>

I have an app where after some preliminary actions, an ?editable window? (i.e. a normal window) is shown with a palette. When the app reaches this stage, for some reason the main (top) stack - i?ve checked that it really is the topStack - doesn?t have the focus and its menus don?t work. I have to click on the window for focus to return to the stack. This is happening on LC7 rc3 on a Mac with Yosemite, and I am pretty sure it?s happening on earlier versions of Mac OSX.

Can anyone explain this, and can anyone give me a cast-iron workaround that will make the mainstack active as soon as it becomes visible?

TIA

Graham


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 08:57:20 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:57:20 -0500
Subject: TopStack focus issue
In-Reply-To: <49E7B63C-91A4-4BA3-BD4D-6D6E6BECAFC8@mac.com>
References: <49E7B63C-91A4-4BA3-BD4D-6D6E6BECAFC8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0BF397BD-7DB4-4593-89B4-C60C0CAFD3B9@gmail.com>

On Dec 6, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> I have an app where after some preliminary actions, an ?editable window? (i.e. a normal window) is shown with a palette. When the app reaches this stage, for some reason the main (top) stack - i?ve checked that it really is the topStack - doesn?t have the focus and its menus don?t work. I have to click on the window for focus to return to the stack. This is happening on LC7 rc3 on a Mac with Yosemite, and I am pretty sure it?s happening on earlier versions of Mac OSX.
> 
> Can anyone explain this, and can anyone give me a cast-iron workaround that will make the mainstack active as soon as it becomes visible?

Don't know how or why this is happening, but here's one thing to try. After the window is opened, lock the screen, select after the text of a field in the topstack, then select empty.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec  6 10:29:34 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:29:34 -0600
Subject: TopStack focus issue
In-Reply-To: <49E7B63C-91A4-4BA3-BD4D-6D6E6BECAFC8@mac.com>
References: <49E7B63C-91A4-4BA3-BD4D-6D6E6BECAFC8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EAD5D685-DB9E-4D37-8CAC-604A80E5F5D7@hyperactivesw.com>

If the palette is the last stack to open, it may be the defaultstack even though it isn't the topstack. So after the opening sequence completes, try adding a command to set the defaultstack to the mainstack.


On December 6, 2014 6:44:15 AM CST, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
>I have an app where after some preliminary actions, an ?editable
>window? (i.e. a normal window) is shown with a palette. When the app
>reaches this stage, for some reason the main (top) stack - i?ve checked
>that it really is the topStack - doesn?t have the focus and its menus
>don?t work. I have to click on the window for focus to return to the
>stack. This is happening on LC7 rc3 on a Mac with Yosemite, and I am
>pretty sure it?s happening on earlier versions of Mac OSX.
>
>Can anyone explain this, and can anyone give me a cast-iron workaround
>that will make the mainstack active as soon as it becomes visible?
>
>TIA
>
>Graham
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From vclement at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 11:16:21 2014
From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:16:21 -0700
Subject: Not LiveCode - Bug code
Message-ID: <CAP6oXhZub1=3+BoujQ3mV4Nt8eVpW3bCU1c-V2CiGBu-XWNKvg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi how to

 I stayed off the list for quite a while because I feel that LiveCode is a
continuous beta test. Nearly every time I start to use it I run to bugs
that prevent me from finishing a app. The implications are that every time
you finish an application and want to upload it to Apple, that it may have
a bug or many bugs that will prevent the application from performing
correctly. For that reason, I decided to wait until there was a bug free
version that was reliable for apps on iTunes.

Unfortunately, eight months have passed where what I called bug code is
still not a finished product. It's hard enough just to understand all the
different versions that are out there, without trying to traverse the one
that would work correctly. I've never seen a product developed in this way
where there are several versions for users that are not out of beta test. I
paid very good money for a product that has a lot of potential. But when I
received is the longest beta test I've ever experienced. My suggestion is
to LiveCode, get a finished full released version that people can use with
reliability! Then you can continue your beta test on the side until you
have a full release version with all the new features.

It seems like I get another version of LiveCode every week or two, and the
disclaimer on the releases use it at your own risk. If this is the case,
where again to be spending months without a release copy that is bug free,
then LiveCode needs to extend our license until a full release copy is
available. I didn't pay for a beta copy, I paid for a full released
product. It's time for LiveCode to understand that a community of beta
testers cannot be satisfied until there is a full released version with no
bugs.

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
On Target Solutions LLC Website: http://www.ontargetsolutions.biz
Email: ontargetsolutions at yahoo.com
Skype: vaughn.clement

FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
Ph. 928-254-9062


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Dec  6 11:19:42 2014
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:19:42 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <5482CFDC.4020502@gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<5482CFDC.4020502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFmQfHL7oZedodyShZLHVMJnupbb4-0YtWfsoJitfuDqGMmhtQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I wonder what Apple thought they were doing.
>

there's a UI department at apple that has to change SOMETHING to prove
their worth.

*--*
*Stephen Barncard - San Francisco Ca. USA - Deeds Not Words*


From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Dec  6 11:38:16 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:38:16 -0800
Subject: LC's standalone Maker
Message-ID: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>

Folks:
Sorry for this long email. I hope that someone who has submitted apps to the Apple store, with success, will give me a bit of help, as I?ve searched the help files and tutorials and I haven?t found anything about the details of using non-livecode files in an application. 

The description of my problem is much longer than my questions.

I?ve been having some trouble with the way the standalone maker organizes external non-livecode data files and wonder if anybody else has had problems. I purchased App Wrapper 3 and have had some interactions with Sam, the author, and sent some wrapped and un-wrapped examples and got some feedback. The reason is because, although the applications work, his installer and zip output don?t work. 

FYI, I?m only building a MacOSX standalone and am on OSX Mavericks. Currently using LC 7.0.1 RC3

Here is Sam?s response:
----------------------
When it comes to bundles, there?s a golden rule (or many more).

Main Executable application goes in the /MacOS folder.
Additional executable code goes in /Frameworks, /Plugins, or /Helpers.
Non executable files should go in /Resources

So in theory your data files should be in the resources folder and the externals that LiveCode create should be in PlugIns (especially as they roughly conform to a bundle).

It seems like LiveCode likes to have the data files in the /MacOS folder, you might be able to fool it by using a relative symbolic link, then again you may not.

Have you spoken to any other LiveCode users on their forums or support about this?
???????

The standalone builder has a nice place to specify the location of external files. The window is labeled ?non-stack files in the application?. In my development environment, the ?files" folder is at the same directory level as the myApp.livecode application. Within the ?files? directory are numerous sub-directories containing various binary, text and other data files. These are not livecode stacks. I just have one line in this field: ?files/*?  (no quotes).

The standalone builder, after the standalone is built, creates an empty ?files? directory in the Contents/MacOS folder with empty subdirectories that are the same ones in my ?files? directory.  In the ?Resources? directory, it puts my ?files? directory, with all subdirectories and data within, into the ?Resources/_MacOS/files directory. 

This structure appears to confuse App Wrapper 3, and Sam worries that Apple will not accept my application because all non-executable files must be in the Resources folder. But, the bundle created by App Wrapper 3 does work. The installer package and zip output create installed executables that cannot find my external data files. But, that?s not my main question here.

My application does work, after I made the needed code modifications to allow for the change in file structure that the standalone builder creates in the resulting bundle.

Questions about the application package built by the standalone builder:
1) Am I safe to just delete the empty folders in the ?MacOS? folder to prevent Apple from thinking there is non-executable code within? 

2)Why are the empty ?files? folders in the MacOS folder, in the first place?

3) Are there complexities or anything else I should know about the use of external, non-livecode data files?

Thanks for any help and information.

Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/



From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Dec  6 12:01:03 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 09:01:03 -0800
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSohW=8wKgCS6LJ3KkDSiK+aQ8keXsQK8iXU8_fB_mtaCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1DEEB7FD6E93E-E40-E2CC@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
	<6564DC14-5788-44ED-A7B5-39865C8B86A7@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSohW=8wKgCS6LJ3KkDSiK+aQ8keXsQK8iXU8_fB_mtaCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNuzur5PW3Atin=18RCbPTZ2i+1quwKyO=2Cva_HZmstA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike,
I think you were looking at the dictionary entry for "words" - the
definition for "word" is where it mentions the return/tab.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> From the 6.6.2 dictionary, though that line doesn't mention tab and
> return.  Its just not handling quoted parts of a string very well it seems.
>
>
> Summary:
> Used with the sort command, number function, and is among and is not among
> properties to designate space-delimited or quoted parts of a string. Also
> used with the find command to search for one or more entire words.
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
>
> > If that is the case, then word 1 return the correct value, word 2 is
> > incorrect. Word boundaries are spaces and there are no spaces so word 1
> > *should* be the whole string and word 2 should be empty.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > On Dec 5, 2014, at 13:42 , dunbarx at aol.com<mailto:dunbarx at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > word 1 of a string like myProps["cProp"] returns the whole string. Word 2
> > returns"cProp"]
> >
> > Since cProp is enclosed in double quotes I was expecting:
> >
> > word 1 --> myProps[
> > word 2 --> "cProp"
> > word 3--> ]
> >
> > This is with LC 6.6.2/OSX.
> >
> > Pete
> >
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec  6 13:32:24 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:32:24 -0600
Subject: Not LiveCode - Bug code
In-Reply-To: <CAP6oXhZub1=3+BoujQ3mV4Nt8eVpW3bCU1c-V2CiGBu-XWNKvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP6oXhZub1=3+BoujQ3mV4Nt8eVpW3bCU1c-V2CiGBu-XWNKvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54834BB8.7040005@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/6/2014, 10:16 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote:
> My suggestion is
> to LiveCode, get a finished full released version that people can use with
> reliability!

Try version 6.6.5, which has been very reliable for me, or 6.7 which is 
stable for most uses. Those are final releases. The others are indeed 
betas that you can ignore until they go final. They are available for 
testing, but if you don't want to do that you don't need to. The 
pre-releases are provided so that developers can know what is coming and 
test their apps against new features, but they are expected to have bugs.

Version 7.0 is a huge rewrite that affects the entire core of the 
engine. Think of it as gutting your entire house and rebuilding from the 
foundation on up. It implements not only unicode, but restructuring the 
entire engine, which touches almost every one of several million lines 
of code. The project is an immense undertaking and will not be bug-free 
for quite some time.

This restructuring is a one-time thing that will allow us to do far more 
than the engine can currently provide. But due to the scope of the 
changes, it will take time to complete. Because users needed Cocoa 
support for Mac, RR introduced that in version 6.7, writing it in tandem 
with the 7.0 overhaul. That way iOS apps could still be developed while 
the larger rewrite was in progress. The two share bug fixes for the 
features they have in common. Once 7.0 is finalized, version 6.7 will no 
longer be necessary.

The short answer is -- avoid the pre-release versions and stick with the 
last stable version if you don't want to be involved in the testing process.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Sat Dec  6 13:35:46 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 18:35:46 -0000
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager for LiveCode, in-store now
Message-ID: <013801d01183$73f04ae0$5bd0e0a0$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Hi Sean,

Thank you, Sean.

Suppressing messages in the IDE simply anaesthetises the palette. Which is
what one would expect since it is message-driven.

Feel free to write to me off-list if you have any problems, though.

Hugh Senior
FLCo



Sean Cole wrote...

Me to :) Well done Hugh.

(Turning off messages tends to break it - Close it down first before
inhibiting messages)

Sean Cole
*Pi Digital Productions Ltd*




From vclement at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 13:41:48 2014
From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:41:48 -0700
Subject: Not LiveCode - Bug code
In-Reply-To: <54834BB8.7040005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAP6oXhZub1=3+BoujQ3mV4Nt8eVpW3bCU1c-V2CiGBu-XWNKvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54834BB8.7040005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAP6oXhbvTno_O0v_M0W-J7pR=PKWPHa1LJpPhfUmwSW9OEnN7g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi How to

Does 6.6.5 provide support for all the new IOS 8 features, and also does
auto sizing for different screens? Shortly Apple will require 64 bit for
new app submissions. What is the status of this requirement for Feb 2015?
If it is not available, you will not be able to submit your app to Apple.
By the way I had to stop using 6.7 due to bugs that are not yet fixed.

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

Apps by Vaughn Clement (Support)
On Target Solutions LLC Website: http://www.ontargetsolutions.biz
Email: ontargetsolutions at yahoo.com
Skype: vaughn.clement

FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
Ph. 928-254-9062


On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 11:32 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 12/6/2014, 10:16 AM, Vaughn Clement wrote:
>
>> My suggestion is
>> to LiveCode, get a finished full released version that people can use with
>> reliability!
>>
>
> Try version 6.6.5, which has been very reliable for me, or 6.7 which is
> stable for most uses. Those are final releases. The others are indeed betas
> that you can ignore until they go final. They are available for testing,
> but if you don't want to do that you don't need to. The pre-releases are
> provided so that developers can know what is coming and test their apps
> against new features, but they are expected to have bugs.
>
> Version 7.0 is a huge rewrite that affects the entire core of the engine.
> Think of it as gutting your entire house and rebuilding from the foundation
> on up. It implements not only unicode, but restructuring the entire engine,
> which touches almost every one of several million lines of code. The
> project is an immense undertaking and will not be bug-free for quite some
> time.
>
> This restructuring is a one-time thing that will allow us to do far more
> than the engine can currently provide. But due to the scope of the changes,
> it will take time to complete. Because users needed Cocoa support for Mac,
> RR introduced that in version 6.7, writing it in tandem with the 7.0
> overhaul. That way iOS apps could still be developed while the larger
> rewrite was in progress. The two share bug fixes for the features they have
> in common. Once 7.0 is finalized, version 6.7 will no longer be necessary.
>
> The short answer is -- avoid the pre-release versions and stick with the
> last stable version if you don't want to be involved in the testing process.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 13:50:42 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:50:42 -0800
Subject: When did compile errors stop producing erros in LC7?
Message-ID: <CANQHZSE07x1FU72EZm55EWqjrYfDmofLvpjA9X+ZejDe5zN3Kw@mail.gmail.com>

I think this changed in rc2, but I'm not sure.

When there is a compile error now (rc2 and rc3), the red dot appears in the
tab, but there is no longer an error message upon which I can click to jump
to the offending line.

Scrolling through a 10,000 line script gets tedious rather quickly . . .

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sat Dec  6 14:08:36 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 11:08:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Not LiveCode - Bug code
In-Reply-To: <CAP6oXhbvTno_O0v_M0W-J7pR=PKWPHa1LJpPhfUmwSW9OEnN7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP6oXhZub1=3+BoujQ3mV4Nt8eVpW3bCU1c-V2CiGBu-XWNKvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54834BB8.7040005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAP6oXhbvTno_O0v_M0W-J7pR=PKWPHa1LJpPhfUmwSW9OEnN7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1417892916402-4686499.post@n4.nabble.com>

LiveCode 6.5 does indeed support iOS8, but I wouldn't think it would support
ALL iOS features (LiveCode didn't support ALL iOS7 features). I think
earlier versions needed some work-arounds for differentiating between 6 and
6plus screens but that these are sorted out now. As regards 64 bit, not yet
but it's coming 'soon'...



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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Dec  6 14:46:21 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:46:21 -0500
Subject: LC's standalone Maker
In-Reply-To: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 11:38 AM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org>
wrote:

> My application does work, after I made the needed code modifications to
> allow for the change in file structure that the standalone builder creates
> in the resulting bundle.
>
> Questions about the application package built by the standalone builder:
> 1) Am I safe to just delete the empty folders in the ?MacOS? folder to
> prevent Apple from thinking there is non-executable code within?
>
> 2)Why are the empty ?files? folders in the MacOS folder, in the first
> place?
>
> 3) Are there complexities or anything else I should know about the use of
> external, non-livecode data files?
>

Bill,

If you are using 6.7 or 7.0.1 (which it sounds like you are) the take a
look at the "??Non-executable file redirection on Mac" section of the
Release Notes.pdf. That explains a recent change made to the engine and the
standalone builder so that non-executable files (e.g. stack files) can be
moved outside of the MacOS folder. This is why you are seeing the
Resources/_MacOS directory.

Do not delete the empty folders in the MacOS directory. The engine relies
on them and Apple doesn't seem to care. I have successfully submitted an
app to the MAS using this file/folder structure.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec  6 14:53:16 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:53:16 -0600
Subject: LC's standalone Maker
In-Reply-To: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <54835EAC.8060902@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/6/2014, 10:38 AM, William Prothero wrote:
> Here is Sam?s response:
> ----------------------
> When it comes to bundles, there?s a golden rule (or many more).
>
> Main Executable application goes in the /MacOS folder.
> Additional executable code goes in /Frameworks, /Plugins, or /Helpers.
> Non executable files should go in /Resources
>
> So in theory your data files should be in the resources folder and the externals that LiveCode create should be in PlugIns (especially as they roughly conform to a bundle).
>
> It seems like LiveCode likes to have the data files in the /MacOS folder, you might be able to fool it by using a relative symbolic link, then again you may not.
>
> Have you spoken to any other LiveCode users on their forums or support about this?

LiveCode has already dealt with this and that's why you see two folder 
structures. See the release notes for LC 6.7 under the heading 
"Non-executable file redirection on Mac" which contains a full 
explanation. If you aren't building with 6.7, you'll need to do that.

To preserve backward compatibility while still conforming to the new iOS 
rules, an empty folder structure is created in the older location, and 
the actual non-executable files are moved to Resources where Apple wants 
them to be. The engine will look in both places so that your existing 
scripts will work without errors.

I trust the team to know what Apple will accept, so I think you are 
probably okay, though the explanation in the release notes doesn't 
mention plugins so I'm not sure about those (you could ask support.) Do 
not delete the empty folders or change anything in the bundle though. 
The engine needs those to find your files.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Dec  6 14:53:48 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:53:48 -0500
Subject: Not LiveCode - Bug code
In-Reply-To: <CAP6oXhbvTno_O0v_M0W-J7pR=PKWPHa1LJpPhfUmwSW9OEnN7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP6oXhZub1=3+BoujQ3mV4Nt8eVpW3bCU1c-V2CiGBu-XWNKvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54834BB8.7040005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAP6oXhbvTno_O0v_M0W-J7pR=PKWPHa1LJpPhfUmwSW9OEnN7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8NJJPj+bnh_+BEwLym4emWZAVUZWUzzyLCGYjpzYXW8w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Vaughn Clement <vclement at gmail.com> wrote:

> Shortly Apple will require 64 bit for new app submissions. What is the
> status of this requirement for Feb 2015?
> If it is not available, you will not be able to submit your app to Apple.
>

I don't know that RunRev has said anything official about this but Fraser
has a feature-ios_64bit branch on his github account. On December 4th there
were a couple of commits related to 64-bit support. One in particular was a
commit with this description:

[[ iOS 64-bit ]] Code changes required to get 64-bit iOS to compile

So it looks like they are making progress on 64-bit support.

For those who are interested in the actual work being done on the engine
you can always follow along. Here are instructions I wrote for using
SourceTree to monitor progress.

http://www.bluemangolearning.com/livecode/2014/07/using-sourcetree-to-monitor-progress-on-livecode/

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec  6 14:55:20 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:55:20 -0600
Subject: LC's standalone Maker
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
	<CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/6/2014, 1:46 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
> If you are using 6.7 or 7.0.1 (which it sounds like you are) the take a
> look at the "??Non-executable file redirection on Mac" section of the
> Release Notes.pdf. That explains a recent change made to the engine and the
> standalone builder so that non-executable files (e.g. stack files) can be
> moved outside of the MacOS folder. This is why you are seeing the
> Resources/_MacOS directory.
>
> Do not delete the empty folders in the MacOS directory. The engine relies
> on them and Apple doesn't seem to care. I have successfully submitted an
> app to the MAS using this file/folder structure.
>

You're quicker on the "Send" button than I am. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From irog at mac.com  Sat Dec  6 15:12:08 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:12:08 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <5482CFDC.4020502@gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<5482CFDC.4020502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <859A2636-B8C2-485E-9623-9E670CFB632C@mac.com>

Richmond,

Do I recall that you had converted an old MetaCard Color picker for LC about a year ago? If so, is it still available?

Thanks!
Roger

> On Dec 6, 2014, at 1:43 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 06/12/14 05:21, Roger Guay wrote:
>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
>> 
>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Roger
>> 
> 
> There seems to be quite a lot to hate about Yosemite.
> 
> I wonder what Apple thought they were doing.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 15:19:28 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 22:19:28 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <859A2636-B8C2-485E-9623-9E670CFB632C@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com>
	<000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>	<5482CFDC.4020502@gmail.com>
	<859A2636-B8C2-485E-9623-9E670CFB632C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <548364D0.7000705@gmail.com>

On 06/12/14 22:12, Roger Guay wrote:
> Richmond,
>
> Do I recall that you had converted an old MetaCard Color picker for LC about a year ago? If so, is it still available?
>
> Thanks!
> Roger
>
>

That's true: but I haven't a clue where it has gone.

Possibly (???) I could just suck it out of the Metacard setup and post 
it again :)

Don't hold your breath; it'll take a while.

Richmond.



From irog at mac.com  Sat Dec  6 15:25:45 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 12:25:45 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <548364D0.7000705@gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<5482CFDC.4020502@gmail.com>
	<859A2636-B8C2-485E-9623-9E670CFB632C@mac.com>
	<548364D0.7000705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDF7D5FD-4301-4C27-8D07-3C00EEFD4F5C@mac.com>

No hurry, and no worries if you don?t. I can always use the ugly one.

Thanks!




> On Dec 6, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 06/12/14 22:12, Roger Guay wrote:
>> Richmond,
>> 
>> Do I recall that you had converted an old MetaCard Color picker for LC about a year ago? If so, is it still available?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
> 
> That's true: but I haven't a clue where it has gone.
> 
> Possibly (???) I could just suck it out of the Metacard setup and post it again :)
> 
> Don't hold your breath; it'll take a while.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 15:28:21 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:28:21 -0800
Subject: response time of seconds in IDE?
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHtGUqxqFBej++WVC20u5ZvTK5Vtgskv2X1CYmhTBVF1A@mail.gmail.com>

In what universe did it make sense to replace the IDE in 7 with the
native-coded version when the response time to things like switching tabs,
or hitting an error handler, can be measured in seconds, rather than
milliseconds?

I just don't get it. Tabs should switch faster than my finger can leave the
trackpad; it shouldn't be *possible* for me to click again while waiting
for it to happen.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 15:30:29 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 22:30:29 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <859A2636-B8C2-485E-9623-9E670CFB632C@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com>
	<000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>	<5482CFDC.4020502@gmail.com>
	<859A2636-B8C2-485E-9623-9E670CFB632C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <54836765.4020306@gmail.com>

On 06/12/14 22:12, Roger Guay wrote:
> Richmond,
>
> Do I recall that you had converted an old MetaCard Color picker for LC about a year ago? If so, is it still available?
>
> Thanks!
> Roger
>
>

The file 'CP.zip' here: 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0

Best, Richmond.



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 16:07:56 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:07:56 -0700
Subject: Unexpected "word" parsing
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNuzur5PW3Atin=18RCbPTZ2i+1quwKyO=2Cva_HZmstA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOBhWGpW6dKsk9CMTDeKRGf4MAn8uO1wcUZXKfyW6LgXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1DEEB7FD6E93E-E40-E2CC@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
	<6564DC14-5788-44ED-A7B5-39865C8B86A7@iotecdigital.com>
	<CAG1cpSohW=8wKgCS6LJ3KkDSiK+aQ8keXsQK8iXU8_fB_mtaCQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNuzur5PW3Atin=18RCbPTZ2i+1quwKyO=2Cva_HZmstA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSq6f3ToGCDXbomZF+d3ifRkKDH9+qQ+JcJNThC4m8vJ9A@mail.gmail.com>

Thx richard.  Saw a post by you that mentioned it, I think it'll do what I
need, thanks!  I'm looking for a way to do it on windows too, have been
trying to find out if it can be done with vbscript using setwindowpos() but
haven't found the right info yet.  If it can be done in vbscript, its
likely I can use do <script> as vbscript, or even have an external script
file that I call and pass the window id.  Will keep digging till I figure
it out, and my apologies, I didn't realize I had derailed the "word" topic.
Oops

Pete, yeah I was looking at the right one, just was pointing out the other
2 delimiters that weren't mentioned in the specific line I pulled from the
dictionary. Tab and return were farther down.Chose that line because it
specifically defined "quoted parts" as a word.   Kinda worries me though.
I've written stuff that uses word chunks in a big way, and all my tests
worked dandy.  I'll need to revisit how the data being used and entered and
decide if there is an issue.  I sometimes forget the incredibly wide range
of ways people can choose to enter information. Consistency matters, and
people aren't.


On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> I think you were looking at the dictionary entry for "words" - the
> definition for "word" is where it mentions the return/tab.
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From the 6.6.2 dictionary, though that line doesn't mention tab and
> > return.  Its just not handling quoted parts of a string very well it
> seems.
> >
> >
> > Summary:
> > Used with the sort command, number function, and is among and is not
> among
> > properties to designate space-delimited or quoted parts of a string. Also
> > used with the find command to search for one or more entire words.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If that is the case, then word 1 return the correct value, word 2 is
> > > incorrect. Word boundaries are spaces and there are no spaces so word 1
> > > *should* be the whole string and word 2 should be empty.
> > >
> > > Bob S
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 5, 2014, at 13:42 , dunbarx at aol.com<mailto:dunbarx at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > word 1 of a string like myProps["cProp"] returns the whole string.
> Word 2
> > > returns"cProp"]
> > >
> > > Since cProp is enclosed in double quotes I was expecting:
> > >
> > > word 1 --> myProps[
> > > word 2 --> "cProp"
> > > word 3--> ]
> > >
> > > This is with LC 6.6.2/OSX.
> > >
> > > Pete
> > >
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From vclement at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 16:32:13 2014
From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:32:13 -0700
Subject: Not LiveCode - Bug code
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8NJJPj+bnh_+BEwLym4emWZAVUZWUzzyLCGYjpzYXW8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP6oXhZub1=3+BoujQ3mV4Nt8eVpW3bCU1c-V2CiGBu-XWNKvg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54834BB8.7040005@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAP6oXhbvTno_O0v_M0W-J7pR=PKWPHa1LJpPhfUmwSW9OEnN7g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG8NJJPj+bnh_+BEwLym4emWZAVUZWUzzyLCGYjpzYXW8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP6oXhZpmm452NgCYcM-UDpUmqQVNmt43wmyMyK6kjMLqoZSJg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I checked out the link and it may be very informative.

On Saturday, December 6, 2014, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Vaughn Clement <vclement at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Shortly Apple will require 64 bit for new app submissions. What is the
> > status of this requirement for Feb 2015?
> > If it is not available, you will not be able to submit your app to Apple.
> >
>
> I don't know that RunRev has said anything official about this but Fraser
> has a feature-ios_64bit branch on his github account. On December 4th there
> were a couple of commits related to 64-bit support. One in particular was a
> commit with this description:
>
> [[ iOS 64-bit ]] Code changes required to get 64-bit iOS to compile
>
> So it looks like they are making progress on 64-bit support.
>
> For those who are interested in the actual work being done on the engine
> you can always follow along. Here are instructions I wrote for using
> SourceTree to monitor progress.
>
>
> http://www.bluemangolearning.com/livecode/2014/07/using-sourcetree-to-monitor-progress-on-livecode/
>
> --
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 16:40:54 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 14:40:54 -0700
Subject: Keep a stack in back
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpLrQD5rMy1y7tmmVOz_s6V_9Jm1dtpTitXCW3xTngJ4g@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, if I set things up where only LC apps and stacks are open it would
handle the problem, but there may be other things running that I also want
to always be in front.  On linux, fourthworld has pointed me towards a
solution, pretty sure I can make it work for my purpose, but for windows it
becomes difficult.  Looking at the possibility of vbscript to set the
zindex of the stack, or setwindowpos(0 or something of that nature.  Worst
case, there is quite a bit of c# or c++ or even visual basic code that I
might be able to build a small exe out of that I can use to set the zindex
of the window.  Starting to think it might pay to wait for the plugin
architecture, at which point other options will probably open up.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 9:31 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

> Mike.
>
>
> I see.
>
>
> How about hiliting the "float above everything" checkbox for all the other
> stacks?
>
>
> Watch out for that, though. It works across all open apps, not just LC
> windows.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Fri, Dec 5, 2014 7:18 pm
> Subject: Re: Keep a stack in back
>
>
> This is the key line that explains the need:  Yet have it still be usable
> as long as its
> not obscured by other stacks/windows.
>
> Basically, I want it to be sitting in the background, and well. Like the
> desktop, if you move windows around so you can see icons and whatnot, you
> can interact with that desktop but it doesn't jump up to the front and
> obscure other windows.  Thats the behavior i'm looking for.
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike.
> >
> >
> > If all of what you say is true, why not just hide the stack? No
> management
> > needed.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Sent: Fri, Dec 5, 2014 5:59 pm
> > Subject: Keep a stack in back
> >
> >
> > I have a quick (I hope) question.. Is there a way to have a stack behind
> > all other stacks all the time? Yet have it still be usable as long as its
> > not obscured by other stacks/windows.  It would also need to remain
> behind
> > all other windows not just LC stacks.
> >
> > Is this possible?  If so, could someone point me in the right direction?
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From irog at mac.com  Sat Dec  6 16:42:30 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:42:30 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <54836765.4020306@gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<5482CFDC.4020502@gmail.com>
	<859A2636-B8C2-485E-9623-9E670CFB632C@mac.com>
	<54836765.4020306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00F899C5-D368-48F3-95D0-FB16C20B547B@mac.com>

Got it. Thanks very much!

Cheers,
Roger


> On Dec 6, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 06/12/14 22:12, Roger Guay wrote:
>> Richmond,
>> 
>> Do I recall that you had converted an old MetaCard Color picker for LC about a year ago? If so, is it still available?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
> 
> The file 'CP.zip' here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0
> 
> Best, Richmond.
> 
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 16:55:15 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 13:55:15 -0800
Subject: opening stack as modal changes screenMouseLoc?
Message-ID: <CANQHZSF67kU0nRVOgBADQ5tNh9m9F2AgZ4H86NKWpSY4m+1E5Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have a control stack to pop up as a modal, and use

        set the loc of this stack to the screenMouseLoc

in preOpenStack

If I simply open the stack *not* as modal, it properly appears centered on
the mouse.

If opening *as*, modal, however, it opens away from that, near the middle
of the screen.

And when I check the screenMouseLoc each way, I get widely different
results:  nonmodal gives a correct horizontal of about 1100, while modally
produces about 400.

Is this behavior correct?  And if so, why???

7.0.1-rc2 on Mac



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Dec  6 18:00:21 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:00:21 +0000
Subject: TopStack focus issue
In-Reply-To: <EAD5D685-DB9E-4D37-8CAC-604A80E5F5D7@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <49E7B63C-91A4-4BA3-BD4D-6D6E6BECAFC8@mac.com>
	<EAD5D685-DB9E-4D37-8CAC-604A80E5F5D7@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <169582D5-3C53-41B8-9005-0B2D1DA4BFF5@mac.com>

Thanks to Peter and Jacque for these suggestions. Sadly, neither of them worked. Neither did ?click at the loc of this cd? or similar statements. The only thing that works so far is a real mouse click in the body of the mainstack window or on its title bar. After that is done and focus has once reached the mainstack, it doesn?t matter if the palette or the mainstack has the focus, the menu (which is a group on the first card of the mainstack) works anyway. In the initial state that I?ve described, the menu is visible and the pulldown action works, but none of the menu items do anything, not even ?quit?. I think I?m looking at an engine bug here, but as usual it will be a big struggle to isolate it.

Still trying to find a cause and a workaround.

Graham

> On 6 Dec 2014, at 13:57, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> [?]
> 
> Don't know how or why this is happening, but here's one thing to try. After the window is opened, lock the screen, select after the text of a field in the topstack, then select empty.

> On 6 Dec 2014, at 15:29, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> If the palette is the last stack to open, it may be the defaultstack even though it isn't the topstack. So after the opening sequence completes, try adding a command to set the defaultstack to the mainstack.
> 
> 
> On December 6, 2014 6:44:15 AM CST, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
>> I have an app where after some preliminary actions, an ?editable
>> window? (i.e. a normal window) is shown with a palette. When the app
>> reaches this stage, for some reason the main (top) stack - i?ve checked
>> that it really is the topStack - doesn?t have the focus and its menus
>> don?t work. I have to click on the window for focus to return to the
>> stack. This is happening on LC7 rc3 on a Mac with Yosemite, and I am
>> pretty sure it?s happening on earlier versions of Mac OSX.
>> 
>> Can anyone explain this, and can anyone give me a cast-iron workaround
>> that will make the mainstack active as soon as it becomes visible?
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Graham
>> 



From prothero at earthednet.org  Sat Dec  6 18:41:57 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 15:41:57 -0800
Subject: LC's standalone Maker
In-Reply-To: <54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
	<CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>

Jacqueline and Trevor:
Thank you, thank you for the info.
BTW, I did manually delete all of the empty folders and my app still found the data files. BUT, I had already programmed the file system to look in the new place. BUT, I also haven?t tried to do an iOS app yet, so probably best not to delete those empty folders, as you and recommend.

Best,
Bill

On Dec 6, 2014, at 11:55 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 12/6/2014, 1:46 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>> 
>> If you are using 6.7 or 7.0.1 (which it sounds like you are) the take a
>> look at the "??Non-executable file redirection on Mac" section of the
>> Release Notes.pdf. That explains a recent change made to the engine and the
>> standalone builder so that non-executable files (e.g. stack files) can be
>> moved outside of the MacOS folder. This is why you are seeing the
>> Resources/_MacOS directory.
>> 
>> Do not delete the empty folders in the MacOS directory. The engine relies
>> on them and Apple doesn't seem to care. I have successfully submitted an
>> app to the MAS using this file/folder structure.
>> 
> 
> You're quicker on the "Send" button than I am. :)
> 
> -- 
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sat Dec  6 20:03:06 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:03:06 -0800
Subject: Missing properties
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>

Every now and again, I wonder why certain properties are not available in
LC.  The ones that puzzles me the most are the owning card and owning stack
of an object.

Maybe it's just the kind of tools I write but I frequently need to get that
information.

I have written a couple of handlers to get that information but it just
seems like there should be a property that does it for you, maybe
"ownerStack" and "ownerCard".

I've tried a couple of different ways of getting that information and
curious how other people do it.  I'm sure there are a lot of people who
have written the same handlers!

I have a recursive function that traverses up the chain of owner properties
until it gets to a card or stack, and another one that parses the long name
of a control to get the information.  I think I prefer the recursive
function

Pete
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 20:22:29 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 17:22:29 -0800
Subject: response time of seconds in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHtGUqxqFBej++WVC20u5ZvTK5Vtgskv2X1CYmhTBVF1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHtGUqxqFBej++WVC20u5ZvTK5Vtgskv2X1CYmhTBVF1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSE8d8vt7twEY_0ruBeyrc4CQ-3gMPTLRH6oAuWwjn1AiA@mail.gmail.com>

rc3 is acting like it has really, really bad garbage collection in these
pauses.

It's been twenty years since I've seen anything like this . . .

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From jimbeckmann at comcast.net  Sat Dec  6 21:07:18 2014
From: jimbeckmann at comcast.net (Jim Beckmann)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:07:18 -0700
Subject: Error; Tree not made
Message-ID: <44E16C46-FE19-4954-831D-C68CCDBA1A08@comcast.net>

I use a very  old version REVOLUTION 3.0, - sorry to post here since I have not updated.

But now, every time I open Revolution for a new session, it does not matter which stack I open, I receive an error message as stated in the topic "Tree not made".  I have not ever tried to change any calls from within Revolution (I am not skilled enough).

I have only ever created new stacks.

Any way around this error message. I know, upgrade.  Thanks for any attention, online or privately.

Jim Beckmann 


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 23:16:38 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 21:16:38 -0700
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrKUsTWAYrOTbE5i+zARGwtyZJ_ZFyR3XjzcftsOft5sA@mail.gmail.com>

Seems like "this card" would be useful, or, you could just get the long
name of the object which contains a small to big list of owning objects
starting with the object itself.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Every now and again, I wonder why certain properties are not available in
> LC.  The ones that puzzles me the most are the owning card and owning stack
> of an object.
>
> Maybe it's just the kind of tools I write but I frequently need to get that
> information.
>
> I have written a couple of handlers to get that information but it just
> seems like there should be a property that does it for you, maybe
> "ownerStack" and "ownerCard".
>
> I've tried a couple of different ways of getting that information and
> curious how other people do it.  I'm sure there are a lot of people who
> have written the same handlers!
>
> I have a recursive function that traverses up the chain of owner properties
> until it gets to a card or stack, and another one that parses the long name
> of a control to get the information.  I think I prefer the recursive
> function
>
> Pete
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Sat Dec  6 23:50:07 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 23:50:07 -0500
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrKUsTWAYrOTbE5i+zARGwtyZJ_ZFyR3XjzcftsOft5sA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrKUsTWAYrOTbE5i+zARGwtyZJ_ZFyR3XjzcftsOft5sA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1DFF068658F62-1E2C-19464@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com>

Pete.


What Mike said, in that maybe I do not understand your question. A control might, for example, belong to one or more groups, and a different control might belong to yet another group.


But there is only one card that they all reside on, and only one stack that they, er, reside in. But if there is indeed only one of each, then the "owner" is just that, the card and the stack.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 6, 2014 11:17 pm
Subject: Re: Missing properties


Seems like "this card" would be useful, or, you could just get the long
name of the object which contains a small to big list of owning objects
starting with the object itself.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Every now and again, I wonder why certain properties are not available in
> LC.  The ones that puzzles me the most are the owning card and owning stack
> of an object.
>
> Maybe it's just the kind of tools I write but I frequently need to get that
> information.
>
> I have written a couple of handlers to get that information but it just
> seems like there should be a property that does it for you, maybe
> "ownerStack" and "ownerCard".
>
> I've tried a couple of different ways of getting that information and
> curious how other people do it.  I'm sure there are a lot of people who
> have written the same handlers!
>
> I have a recursive function that traverses up the chain of owner properties
> until it gets to a card or stack, and another one that parses the long name
> of a control to get the information.  I think I prefer the recursive
> function
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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From ebeugelaar at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 02:09:18 2014
From: ebeugelaar at gmail.com (Erik Beugelaar)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 08:09:18 +0100
Subject: response time of seconds in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSE8d8vt7twEY_0ruBeyrc4CQ-3gMPTLRH6oAuWwjn1AiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHtGUqxqFBej++WVC20u5ZvTK5Vtgskv2X1CYmhTBVF1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSE8d8vt7twEY_0ruBeyrc4CQ-3gMPTLRH6oAuWwjn1AiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN0h2NUvxoLdNFmxo6HvTZqx+hHjaPTsWqpU9Ke=9Lr=ce7row@mail.gmail.com>

I am afraid it must be the unicode beast... Personally I have never seen
the need of it to implement it in this way so you can program in another
foreign language (eg Chinese ;-). But I hope it will be parameterized so
you can choose which unicode you want to support in the end result of your
application.

Erik

nl.linkedin.com/in/beugelaar

On Sunday, December 7, 2014, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> rc3 is acting like it has really, really bad garbage collection in these
> pauses.
>
> It's been twenty years since I've seen anything like this . . .
>
> --
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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Sun Dec  7 04:17:16 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 09:17:16 +0000
Subject: Using polygon as line and childControlNames
Message-ID: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>

I use polygons to draw a line using this script. Me is a group.

on drawLine x,y,x1,y1,tColor
   lock screen
   set the style of the templateGraphic to polygon
   put x & "," & y & return & x1 & "," & y1 into tPoints
   create grc in me
   put the id of the last grc of me into tID
   set the foregroundColor of of grc id tID to tColor
   set the points of grc id tID to tPoints
   set the locked of grc id tID to true
   unlock screen
end drawLine


When I delete all the contents of the group using this script I get"OBJECT DOES NOT EXIST  Polygon? in the message box.

on deleteChart
   put the childControlNames of me into tObjectList
   lock screen
   if tObjectList is not empty then
      repeat with n = 1 to the number of lines in tObjectList
         put line n of tObjectList into tObject
         if exists(tObject) then
            delete tObject
         else
            put "OBJECT DOES NOT EXIST " & tObject 
         end if
      end repeat
   end if
   unlock screen
end deleteChart

There seems to be a bug with childControlNames in LC 7.0.1(RC3) as it all works correctly in LC 6.7.1(RC3).

Is this a known bug?

All the best

Terry

From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 04:32:56 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:32:56 +0200
Subject: response time of seconds in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <CAN0h2NUvxoLdNFmxo6HvTZqx+hHjaPTsWqpU9Ke=9Lr=ce7row@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHtGUqxqFBej++WVC20u5ZvTK5Vtgskv2X1CYmhTBVF1A@mail.gmail.com>	<CANQHZSE8d8vt7twEY_0ruBeyrc4CQ-3gMPTLRH6oAuWwjn1AiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN0h2NUvxoLdNFmxo6HvTZqx+hHjaPTsWqpU9Ke=9Lr=ce7row@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54841EC8.80402@gmail.com>

On 07/12/14 09:09, Erik Beugelaar wrote:
> I am afraid it must be the unicode beast... Personally I have never seen
> the need of it to implement it in this way so you can program in another
> foreign language (eg Chinese ;-). But I hope it will be parameterized so
> you can choose which unicode you want to support in the end result of your
> application.
>
> Erik
>
>

At the risk of repeating myself [always struck me as funny, that phrase; 
because whoever
uses it then repeats themself] . . .

I suggested that it might not be a bad idea if parts of the NEW (i.e. 
'7') Livecode were
modularised in someway so that parts could be included or excluded via a 
preferences palette.

For the sake of argument, those who have no need of all the fancy and 
system-heavy Unicode
parts could exclude them so that they are not 'bound into' a standalone.

Considering the effort that seems to have gone into refactoring and 
rejigging how Unicode is
implemented . . .

. . . [Unicode capability has NOT been introduced as a new feature, as I 
have been leveraging
Unicode for donkey's ages with LC 4.5] . . .

. . . I wonder if it would not take too much extra effort to chop the 
IDE up into LEGO-like
pieces . . . after all, the concept of 'Plug-ins' is already part of 
Livecode.

As I have started smelling "8" flavoured smells, let us hope that "8" 
(or, if we are very lucky, a "7.5")
is not as clunky as, say Windows Vista . . .

. . . because of feature bloat that can not be opted into and out-of.

---------------------------------------

But then I'm the chap who suggested that RunRev consider re-releasing a 
commercial version of
say 4.0 or 4.5 at a reduced rate for those who feel that those versions 
suffice for what they need.

So, shouting in the wilderness, I stagger on, increasingly bonkers and 
wild-eyed.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 04:38:36 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:38:36 +0200
Subject: Stealing things from Metacard
Message-ID: <5484201C.4020802@gmail.com>

Let's be daft :)

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0

I've put 4 files here:  CC.zip, CP.zip,  GM.zip and PT.zip  (there's 
also some other nonsense you are welcome to play with).

These are components "stolen" from Metacard:

?CC = Character Chooser from Metacard

CP = Color Picker from Metacard

GM = Geometry Manager from Metacard

PT = Paint Tools from Metacard

You may find them useful.

By-ther-way: it is dead easy to extract bits of the Metacard IDE to play 
about with,

and, old though it be [great use of the Subjunctive there] some bits are 
quite useful.

Richmond.



From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Dec  7 05:44:27 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:44:27 +0000
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>

How much functionality do you want in a color picker? If you just want to allow a user to pick from a fixed set of colours, it?s easy to grow your own - cross-platform too. But of course that?s just a small subset of an OS?s picker.

Graham
> On 6 Dec 2014, at 03:21, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
> 
> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
> 
> TIA,
> Roger
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 06:09:31 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:09:31 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com>
	<000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5484356B.4030304@gmail.com>

On 07/12/14 12:44, Graham Samuel wrote:
> How much functionality do you want in a color picker? If you just want to allow a user to pick from a fixed set of colours, it?s easy to grow your own - cross-platform too. But of course that?s just a small subset of an OS?s picker.
>
> Graham
>

What I do not understand is why RunRev decided that Livecode should leverage
an operating system's built-in colour picker rather than Livecode have 
its own
colour picker as Metacard did.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 06:48:04 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:48:04 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com>
	<000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
Message-ID: <54843E74.6050903@gmail.com>

Just uploaded the color picker from the Mac Classic version
of Runtime Revolution 2.0 to https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87s ... 
C5ORa?dl=0 
<https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0>

RCC.zip

As far as I can see it is identical to the one from Metacard 2.5

Richmond.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 07:00:18 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:00:18 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com>
	<000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
Message-ID: <54844152.4040607@gmail.com>

On 07/12/14 12:44, Graham Samuel wrote:
> How much functionality do you want in a color picker? If you just want to allow a user to pick from a fixed set of colours, it?s easy to grow your own - cross-platform too. But of course that?s just a small subset of an OS?s picker.

The color chooser from RR/LC 2.0 has RGB sliders so one does NOT have to 
depend on the fixed palette of a limited
selection of colours:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87s ... C5ORa?dl=0 
<https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0>

RCC.zip

Richmond.



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 07:47:06 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 07:47:06 -0500
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Every now and again, I wonder why certain properties are not available in
> LC.  The ones that puzzles me the most are the owning card and owning stack
> of an object.
>

Do you mean some shortcut to get the owning card no matter what? If you
create a new stack and put a button on the card:

    put the owner of button 1

returns

    card id 1002

and

    put the owner of this cd

returns

    stack "Untitled 1"

If the object in question is inside a group, you'd have to recurse your way
out, or you could use:

    put word -5 to -1 of the long id of btn 1

or if you prefer:

    put word -5 to -1 of the long name of btn 1

(the second would use the name of the card) for just the stack use:

    put word -2 to -1 of the long id of btn 1

gc


From rjb at robelko.com  Sun Dec  7 09:33:04 2014
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:33:04 +0100
Subject: TopStack focus issue
In-Reply-To: <169582D5-3C53-41B8-9005-0B2D1DA4BFF5@mac.com>
References: <49E7B63C-91A4-4BA3-BD4D-6D6E6BECAFC8@mac.com>
	<EAD5D685-DB9E-4D37-8CAC-604A80E5F5D7@hyperactivesw.com>
	<169582D5-3C53-41B8-9005-0B2D1DA4BFF5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080ad0aa14bb5eee@[141.89.49.13]>

I have seen such issues having invisible stacks, that is when I was 
hiding some stacks not closing them during the open sequence. Somehow 
they got focus at the end and did not release it happily. This was in 
earlier versions, though.

RObert

On 06.12.2014 at 23:00 Uhr +0000 Graham Samuel apparently wrote:
>Thanks to Peter and Jacque for these suggestions. Sadly, neither of 
>them worked. Neither did 'click at the loc of this cd' or similar 
>statements. The only thing that works so far is a real mouse click 
>in the body of the mainstack window or on its title bar. After that 
>is done and focus has once reached the mainstack, it doesn't matter 
>if the palette or the mainstack has the focus, the menu (which is a 
>group on the first card of the mainstack) works anyway. In the 
>initial state that I've described, the menu is visible and the 
>pulldown action works, but none of the menu items do anything, not 
>even 'quit'. I think I'm looking at an engine bug here, but as usual 
>it will be a big struggle to isolate it.
>
>Still trying to find a cause and a workaround.
>
>Graham



From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 09:58:47 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 06:58:47 -0800
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:47 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> If the object in question is inside a group, you'd have to recurse your way
> out, or you could use:
>
>     put word -5 to -1 of the long id of btn 1
>

I actually define a shId() function for figuring these things out and
tracking them:
unction shId lId
   --chop the id so it's faster to parse
   return word 1 to 3 of lId && word -6 to -4 of lId
end shId

adding words -10 to -7 would instead return the card as part of this, or
could be used instead of -6 to -4, I suppose, if the stack was a known
thing.
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Dec  7 10:22:51 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 07:22:51 -0800
Subject: Error; Tree not made
In-Reply-To: <44E16C46-FE19-4954-831D-C68CCDBA1A08@comcast.net>
References: <44E16C46-FE19-4954-831D-C68CCDBA1A08@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DF2E9877-E9F2-4B09-B4FC-1F5DC14CB4F6@earthednet.org>

Jim,
You can download the free community version on the livecode site. I think that will save you a lot of grief and provide you a more rewarding experience.
Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Dec 6, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Jim Beckmann <jimbeckmann at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I use a very  old version REVOLUTION 3.0, - sorry to post here since I have not updated.
> 
> But now, every time I open Revolution for a new session, it does not matter which stack I open, I receive an error message as stated in the topic "Tree not made".  I have not ever tried to change any calls from within Revolution (I am not skilled enough).
> 
> I have only ever created new stacks.
> 
> Any way around this error message. I know, upgrade.  Thanks for any attention, online or privately.
> 
> Jim Beckmann 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Dec  7 10:31:35 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (Earthednet-wp)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 07:31:35 -0800
Subject: Using polygon as line and childControlNames
In-Reply-To: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
References: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <2F0EA2BE-E2BE-48DC-9717-29539977B0A2@earthednet.org>

Terry,
Try "delete object of group me"
I had a similar issue and this fixed it.

Bill

William Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org

> On Dec 7, 2014, at 1:17 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> I use polygons to draw a line using this script. Me is a group.
> 
> on drawLine x,y,x1,y1,tColor
>   lock screen
>   set the style of the templateGraphic to polygon
>   put x & "," & y & return & x1 & "," & y1 into tPoints
>   create grc in me
>   put the id of the last grc of me into tID
>   set the foregroundColor of of grc id tID to tColor
>   set the points of grc id tID to tPoints
>   set the locked of grc id tID to true
>   unlock screen
> end drawLine
> 
> 
> When I delete all the contents of the group using this script I get"OBJECT DOES NOT EXIST  Polygon? in the message box.
> 
> on deleteChart
>   put the childControlNames of me into tObjectList
>   lock screen
>   if tObjectList is not empty then
>      repeat with n = 1 to the number of lines in tObjectList
>         put line n of tObjectList into tObject
>         if exists(tObject) then
>            delete tObject
>         else
>            put "OBJECT DOES NOT EXIST " & tObject 
>         end if
>      end repeat
>   end if
>   unlock screen
> end deleteChart
> 
> There seems to be a bug with childControlNames in LC 7.0.1(RC3) as it all works correctly in LC 6.7.1(RC3).
> 
> Is this a known bug?
> 
> All the best
> 
> Terry
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Dec  7 10:36:25 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:36:25 +0100
Subject: Error; Tree not made
In-Reply-To: <44E16C46-FE19-4954-831D-C68CCDBA1A08@comcast.net>
References: <44E16C46-FE19-4954-831D-C68CCDBA1A08@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <548473F9.8040503@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jim,

Which operating system do you use? Have you ever installed plug-ins or 
externals?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Installer Maker for LiveCode:
http://qery.us/468

Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" 
http://qery.us/3fi

LiveCode on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/

On 12/7/2014 03:07, Jim Beckmann wrote:
> I use a very  old version REVOLUTION 3.0, - sorry to post here since I have not updated.
>
> But now, every time I open Revolution for a new session, it does not matter which stack I open, I receive an error message as stated in the topic "Tree not made".  I have not ever tried to change any calls from within Revolution (I am not skilled enough).
>
> I have only ever created new stacks.
>
> Any way around this error message. I know, upgrade.  Thanks for any attention, online or privately.
>
> Jim Beckmann




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 10:36:55 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 08:36:55 -0700
Subject: [OT] Personal
In-Reply-To: <5474D1B0.6000604@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5473BEE4.3000804@pdslabs.net>
	<008c01d008ca$7b6d6fd0$72484f70$@net>
	<5474D1B0.6000604@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqm5KrSO=xaWvkL2dWKkwjV=E3FAww3f2hhWFu4Ot5CsA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the slow response, google has been playing hide and seek with my
mail lately. (old filter behaving in new and exciting ways)  Praying that
shes doing well and that she makes a full recovery.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:00 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> I'm glad it all went well, Ralph. Please give my best wishes to Margaret,
> and hopes for a speedy recovery.
>
>
> On 11/25/2014, 10:11 AM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
>
>> To all you "RR-Live"ers. I would like to first thank all of you that every
>> year made Margaret feel at home and part of the extended LiveCode family.
>> I
>> am happy to report that after a 7.25 hour operation on her neck on 11/14
>> she
>> is feeling much better today. She is up out of bed and the first set of
>> x-rays show that the operation was a success and everything is stable.
>> Although the operation was 3.25 hours longer than expected and we were all
>> on edge the final results were worth waiting for. Now for the real
>> challenge... getting here home from 50 miles away during the east-coast
>> snowstorm tomorrow. Although she can no longer follow her passion of
>> horse-back riding, the last time she went was 20 miles outside of
>> Edinburgh
>> at RR 13. This was such a memorable ride that she(and me) will treasure it
>> forever.
>>
>> Thanks again for all your hospitality.
>>
>> Ralph DiMola
>> IT Director
>> Evergreen Information Services
>> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>>
>>
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>
> --
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> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 10:43:57 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 08:43:57 -0700
Subject: Error; Tree not made
In-Reply-To: <548473F9.8040503@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <44E16C46-FE19-4954-831D-C68CCDBA1A08@comcast.net>
	<548473F9.8040503@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp5NbRytf4RVLqyBcSbzZoOZcxhkAdAvEMQ=tAvfkRihw@mail.gmail.com>

If this is only happening when you first open revolution, one question I
have is.. did you still have it set up so that the opening screen (welcome)
appeared? I wonder if the code for the RSS stuff that gets pulled from the
runrev site is no longer working due to the massive website changes. (might
not be related to the welcome screen, but surely sounds feed related)

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Which operating system do you use? Have you ever installed plug-ins or
> externals?
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
>
> On 12/7/2014 03:07, Jim Beckmann wrote:
>
>> I use a very  old version REVOLUTION 3.0, - sorry to post here since I
>> have not updated.
>>
>> But now, every time I open Revolution for a new session, it does not
>> matter which stack I open, I receive an error message as stated in the
>> topic "Tree not made".  I have not ever tried to change any calls from
>> within Revolution (I am not skilled enough).
>>
>> I have only ever created new stacks.
>>
>> Any way around this error message. I know, upgrade.  Thanks for any
>> attention, online or privately.
>>
>> Jim Beckmann
>>
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec  7 11:31:13 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:31:13 -0600
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <5484356B.4030304@gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
	<5484356B.4030304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <443313C8-9F11-494B-B02C-328065B1CB07@hyperactivesw.com>

Perhaps so our apps would look native on every platform. The color picker is used for more than just development. 

On December 7, 2014 5:09:31 AM CST, Richmond wrote 
>>
>
>What I do not understand is why RunRev decided that Livecode should
>leverage
>an operating system's built-in colour picker rather than Livecode have 
>its own
>colour picker as Metacard did.
-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec  7 11:37:08 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:37:08 -0600
Subject: TopStack focus issue
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ad0aa14bb5eee@[141.89.49.13]>
References: <49E7B63C-91A4-4BA3-BD4D-6D6E6BECAFC8@mac.com>
	<EAD5D685-DB9E-4D37-8CAC-604A80E5F5D7@hyperactivesw.com>
	<169582D5-3C53-41B8-9005-0B2D1DA4BFF5@mac.com>
	<p0624080ad0aa14bb5eee@[141.89.49.13]>
Message-ID: <AE8698D9-A759-4388-A51B-22FD9EBCEB6A@hyperactivesw.com>

One last thing to try:

toplevel "main" 
set the defaultstack to "main" 

Also, if you haven't already, assign the menu to the palette stack too. You may need to change the menu scripts to check whether the target stack is the palette or not, if some of the commands don't apply to the palette. 

Graham Samuel apparently wrote:
>>Thanks to Peter and Jacque for these suggestions. Sadly, neither of 
>>them worked. Neither did 'click at the loc of this cd' or similar 
>>statements. The only thing that works so far is a real mouse click 
>>in the body of the mainstack window or on its title bar. After that 
>>is done and focus has once reached the mainstack, it doesn't matter 
>>if the palette or the mainstack has the focus, the menu (which is a 
>>group on the first card of the mainstack) works anyway. In the 
>>initial state that I've described, the menu is visible and the 
>>pulldown action works, but none of the menu items do anything, not 
>>even 'quit'. I think I'm looking at an engine bug here, but as usual 
>>it will be a big struggle to isolate it.
>>
>>Still trying to find a cause and a workaround.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Dec  7 12:12:38 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 09:12:38 -0800
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestions, they're pretty much variations on what I'm
already doing.

My point was that a lot of people have spent time coming up with various
ways of getting a control's owning card/stack which to my way of thinking
means there should be a built-in way of doing it.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:47 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If the object in question is inside a group, you'd have to recurse your
> way
> > out, or you could use:
> >
> >     put word -5 to -1 of the long id of btn 1
> >
>
> I actually define a shId() function for figuring these things out and
> tracking them:
> unction shId lId
>    --chop the id so it's faster to parse
>    return word 1 to 3 of lId && word -6 to -4 of lId
> end shId
>
> adding words -10 to -7 would instead return the card as part of this, or
> could be used instead of -6 to -4, I suppose, if the stack was a known
> thing.
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 13:18:20 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 20:18:20 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <443313C8-9F11-494B-B02C-328065B1CB07@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com>
	<000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>	<F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>	<5484356B.4030304@gmail.com>
	<443313C8-9F11-494B-B02C-328065B1CB07@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <548499EC.7030107@gmail.com>

On 07/12/14 18:31, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Perhaps so our apps would look native on every platform. The color picker is used for more than just development.

BUT, it would have been quite possible to have a development color 
picker that was uniform across all
platforms, and a way of leveraging the operating system's color picker 
in standalones . . . therefore having the
best of both worlds.

Richmond.
>
> On December 7, 2014 5:09:31 AM CST, Richmond wrote
>> What I do not understand is why RunRev decided that Livecode should
>> leverage
>> an operating system's built-in colour picker rather than Livecode have
>> its own
>> colour picker as Metacard did.




From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 13:59:01 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 13:59:01 -0500
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>

How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite and it
looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top: color
wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself below
that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color selected
and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay buttons
below that.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I
> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
>
> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
>
> TIA,
> Roger
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:01:59 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:01:59 -0500
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> My point was that a lot of people have spent time coming up with various
> ways of getting a control's owning card/stack which to my way of thinking
> means there should be a built-in way of doing it.
>

Agreed -- here's hoping the new syntax functionality comes sooner rather
than later, so you can define something like:

    the card owner of <object>
    the stack owner of <object>


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:20:46 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:20:46 -0500
Subject: Using polygon as line and childControlNames
In-Reply-To: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
References: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoV4Hzbe-f6EO8XqgSUqjET7ZBZGQpVMLfVHsWgZkbXrg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com>
wrote:

> There seems to be a bug with childControlNames in LC 7.0.1(RC3) as it all
> works correctly in LC 6.7.1(RC3).
>

I think perhaps your code is taking advantage of a quirk in LC. If you
don't give an object a name, the childcontrolnames returns something like
this:

graphic id 1011

If that is in a variable tObject, then a statement like this will work:

            delete tObject

But if you name an object, say "bob", then the childcontrolnames will
simply return "bob" and the delete will fail with a bad reference.

This works:

on test
   drawLine 10,10,(50+random(50)),(50+random(50)),"red"
   wait 2 seconds
   deleteChart
end test

on drawLine x,y,x1,y1,tColor
   lock screen
   create grc in me
   put the long id of the last grc of me into tID
   set the style of tID to polygon
   set the foregroundColor of tID to tColor
   set the points of tID to x,y & cr & x1,y1
   unlock screen
end drawLine

on deleteChart
   lock screen
   repeat for each line tID in the childControlIDs of me
      delete control id tID of me
   end repeat
   unlock screen
end deleteChart


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 14:24:49 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 21:24:49 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <443313C8-9F11-494B-B02C-328065B1CB07@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com>
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	<443313C8-9F11-494B-B02C-328065B1CB07@hyperactivesw.com>
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Have a look at this: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22288

Richmond.



From bornstein at designeq.com  Sun Dec  7 14:25:37 2014
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 11:25:37 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtQF90CxJCyJ5BhSuc1SAhp+0Y9MwLAr_5BP+KeX2ke=RA@mail.gmail.com>

The only differences I see from the color wheel in Snow Leopard is that the
selected color choice is a small square at the bottom in Yosemite with an
eye dropper and it's a bar across the top in Snow Leopard with a magnifying
glass. The Saturation slider is on the bottom in Yosemite and down the
right side in Snow Leopard. The color selector cursor is a circle with
cross hairs in Yosemite and a small square in Snow Leopard. That's
basically it.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite and it
> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top: color
> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself below
> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color selected
> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay buttons
> below that.
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>
> > I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I
> > hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
> >
> > Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Roger
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec  7 14:47:16 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:47:16 -0600
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <548499EC.7030107@gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com>	<000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>	<F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>	<5484356B.4030304@gmail.com>	<443313C8-9F11-494B-B02C-328065B1CB07@hyperactivesw.com>
	<548499EC.7030107@gmail.com>
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On 12/7/2014, 12:18 PM, Richmond wrote:
> BUT, it would have been quite possible to have a development color
> picker that was uniform across all
> platforms, and a way of leveraging the operating system's color picker
> in standalones . . . therefore having the
> best of both worlds.

You can do that yourself, of course, by simply adding a plugin. But so 
far, I have heard from only two people who actually want that option. 
I'm happier with the system picker myself, since on OS X it allows 
extensions that provide many more color options.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec  7 14:50:49 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:50:49 -0600
Subject: response time of seconds in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <CAN0h2NUvxoLdNFmxo6HvTZqx+hHjaPTsWqpU9Ke=9Lr=ce7row@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHtGUqxqFBej++WVC20u5ZvTK5Vtgskv2X1CYmhTBVF1A@mail.gmail.com>	<CANQHZSE8d8vt7twEY_0ruBeyrc4CQ-3gMPTLRH6oAuWwjn1AiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN0h2NUvxoLdNFmxo6HvTZqx+hHjaPTsWqpU9Ke=9Lr=ce7row@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5484AF99.6070200@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/7/2014, 1:09 AM, Erik Beugelaar wrote:
> I am afraid it must be the unicode beast... Personally I have never seen
> the need of it to implement it in this way so you can program in another
> foreign language (eg Chinese ;-).

LiveCode has many users (and a local office) in China, and there are 
users all over the world who speak many different languages. All modern 
software supports unicode, and LiveCode would be remiss not to do that too.

But I agree that it needs to be speedier, and I hope eventually we will 
be able to remove languages that our own software does not support so 
that standalones will be smaller.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 15:28:38 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:28:38 +0200
Subject: cursor not vanishing in Linux
Message-ID: <5484B876.9050804@gmail.com>

I wonder why (6.7 - Linux) this doesn't work:

on mouseEnter
   set the cursor to none
end mouse

doesn't make the cursor disappear?

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 15:38:24 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:38:24 +0200
Subject: cursor not vanishing in Linux
In-Reply-To: <5484B876.9050804@gmail.com>
References: <5484B876.9050804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5484BAC0.7090103@gmail.com>

On 07/12/14 22:28, Richmond wrote:
> I wonder why (6.7 - Linux) this doesn't work:
>
> on mouseEnter
>   set the cursor to none
> end mouse
>
> doesn't make the cursor disappear?
>
> Richmond.

Answering his own question yet again:

on mouseEnter
    set the lockCursor to true
    set the cursor to none
end mouseEnter

on mouseLeave
    set the cursor to arrow
    set the lockCursor to false
end mouseLeave

not very well documented.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec  7 16:04:20 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:04:20 -0800
Subject: cursor not vanishing in Linux
Message-ID: <fed337a2025fd48fefa701f145f86126@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

> Answering his own question yet again:
> 
> on mouseEnter
>    set the lockCursor to true
>    set the cursor to none
> end mouseEnter
> 
> on mouseLeave
>    set the cursor to arrow
>    set the lockCursor to false
> end mouseLeave
> 
> not very well documented.

Many seeming oddities in the language are merely conventions established 
by the HyperCard team.  IIRC the need to lock the cursor to have it 
maintained after idle is one of them (though personally it makes sense 
to me; seems more convenient than needing to explicitly unlock).

In this case it seems the LC team tried to document it - from the 
Dictionary entry for "cursor":

     If the lockCursor property is set to false, LiveCode automatically
     sets the cursor according to its location once the handler finishes.
     (For example, the cursor normally turns into an arrow over a menu,
     an I-beam over an editable text field, and so on.) To retain the
     cursor property after a handler finishes, use the lock cursor 
command.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 17:13:10 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:13:10 +0200
Subject: Palettising  a stack
Message-ID: <5484D0F6.2020606@gmail.com>

I wonder why

on openStack
    palette stack "OOMPALOOMPA"
end openStack

does not palettise my stack?

(6.7 Linux)

Richmond.



From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 17:17:20 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (dochawk)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 14:17:20 -0800
Subject: response time of seconds in IDE?
In-Reply-To: <5484AF99.6070200@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CANQHZSHtGUqxqFBej++WVC20u5ZvTK5Vtgskv2X1CYmhTBVF1A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAN0h2NUvxoLdNFmxo6HvTZqx+hHjaPTsWqpU9Ke=9Lr=ce7row@mail.gmail.com>
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2014, at 11:50 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> But I agree that it needs to be speedier,

"Speedier "would not cut it? 80,000 to 1 speed up would still leave this sluggish the way it is performing right now.


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sun Dec  7 17:17:34 2014
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:17:34 +1100
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 8 Dec 2014, at 6:01 am, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
>> My point was that a lot of people have spent time coming up with various
>> ways of getting a control's owning card/stack which to my way of thinking
>> means there should be a built-in way of doing it.
>> 
> 
> Agreed -- here's hoping the new syntax functionality comes sooner rather
> than later, so you can define something like:
> 
>    the card owner of <object>
>    the stack owner of <object>

I'm not sure about new syntax and if we can mess with that yet but the properties themselves wouldn't be that complicated to implement. Essentially you would just iterate through the parents of each object as you do in script to find a card or stack. I'd suggest shared group might be another good option. Both card and shared group owner could obviously be empty in certain conditions and the result of the card owner could also be variable depending on context for an object in a shared group.

On the whole I'm not sure if there's a big advantage to implementing it in the engine but like I said it's not difficult.

Cheers

Monte

--
M E R Goulding 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 17:20:09 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:20:09 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
Message-ID: <5484D299.9010107@gmail.com>

Feel free to download THIS: 
http://forums.livecode.com/download/file.php?id=4597

and you will suddenly love Livecode's built-in color picker.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 17:21:44 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 00:21:44 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <5484D299.9010107@gmail.com>
References: <5484D299.9010107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5484D2F8.4070300@gmail.com>

On 08/12/14 00:20, Richmond wrote:
> Feel free to download THIS: 
> http://forums.livecode.com/download/file.php?id=4597
>
> and you will suddenly love Livecode's built-in color picker.
>
> Richmond.

That download URL seems problematic. Better go to the message and download
from there:

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=22288



From irog at mac.com  Sun Dec  7 17:26:38 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:26:38 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4D40BAE3-B06C-4CB5-95DF-6AF9B9EC9268@mac.com>

You?re right of course, I was just overreacting to the ugliness of it. One thing I do miss is multiple lines of color patches where I kept track of the colors I use for various purposes. I do intend to roll my own to fix that,

Roger


> On Dec 7, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> How much functionality do you want in a color picker? If you just want to allow a user to pick from a fixed set of colours, it?s easy to grow your own - cross-platform too. But of course that?s just a small subset of an OS?s picker.
> 
> Graham
>> On 6 Dec 2014, at 03:21, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
>> 
>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Roger
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From irog at mac.com  Sun Dec  7 17:29:51 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:29:51 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <54843E74.6050903@gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
	<54843E74.6050903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC17973F-07B0-41D1-A43D-7CCF56EB88BE@mac.com>

Thanks again, Richmond. That will be very helpful when I build my own version.


> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:48 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Just uploaded the color picker from the Mac Classic version
> of Runtime Revolution 2.0 to https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87s ... C5ORa?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0>
> 
> RCC.zip
> 
> As far as I can see it is identical to the one from Metacard 2.5
> 
> Richmond.
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From irog at mac.com  Sun Dec  7 17:43:52 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:43:52 -0800
Subject: Stealing things from Metacard
In-Reply-To: <5484201C.4020802@gmail.com>
References: <5484201C.4020802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6620D9-B130-4427-8189-28EEFA3F0758@mac.com>

I thought Cornery was particularly clever!


> On Dec 7, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Let's be daft :)
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0
> 
> I've put 4 files here:  CC.zip, CP.zip,  GM.zip and PT.zip  (there's also some other nonsense you are welcome to play with).
> 
> These are components "stolen" from Metacard:
> 
> ?CC = Character Chooser from Metacard
> 
> CP = Color Picker from Metacard
> 
> GM = Geometry Manager from Metacard
> 
> PT = Paint Tools from Metacard
> 
> You may find them useful.
> 
> By-ther-way: it is dead easy to extract bits of the Metacard IDE to play about with,
> 
> and, old though it be [great use of the Subjunctive there] some bits are quite useful.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From irog at mac.com  Sun Dec  7 17:48:41 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:48:41 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D60C5891-1B73-44D5-BA87-F2919621DDA4@mac.com>

What I want is a one-stop place where I can record and manage the color palettes of each and every one of my projects. A subset of the OS picker,  as you note. I?m working on it.

Roger


> On Dec 7, 2014, at 2:44 AM, Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> How much functionality do you want in a color picker? If you just want to allow a user to pick from a fixed set of colours, it?s easy to grow your own - cross-platform too. But of course that?s just a small subset of an OS?s picker.
> 
> Graham
>> On 6 Dec 2014, at 03:21, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
>> 
>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Roger
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From irog at mac.com  Sun Dec  7 18:01:10 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:01:10 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ACF117E-28D0-45FC-9F89-A7EA482E76D9@mac.com>

Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just one row of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and manage multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I overreacted! I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make up for petulance.


Roger


> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite and it
> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top: color
> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself below
> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color selected
> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay buttons
> below that.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I
>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
>> 
>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
>> 
>> TIA,
>> Roger
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Dec  7 18:09:16 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:09:16 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
	<CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <95EE571A-2661-4B92-B825-FFEAC3DDB67A@earthednet.org>

Folks:
I don?t know if this is needed anyway, but I have a button on one of my screens whose intention is to quit the application. The code is;

on mouseUp
	send ?quit? to me in 0 seconds
end mouseUp

This crashes the application. The menu that the standalone creates, in the menu bar also has a quit choice, and the app does not crash.

So, is there a way to quit with a script? Or, is it just poor practice to do it this way and make the user use the menubar menu.

I?m on Mavericks, LiveCode 7.0.1 rc3. It has worked this way for several versions, and on V7.0, it crashed  even from the menubar menu.

Thanks,
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/



From bornstein at designeq.com  Sun Dec  7 18:16:52 2014
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:16:52 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <1ACF117E-28D0-45FC-9F89-A7EA482E76D9@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ACF117E-28D0-45FC-9F89-A7EA482E76D9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtSMGF-TxR1od6f7uw1TjGpCyzDfC24v+K85CjwzbkWTEA@mail.gmail.com>

Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and you'll get
10 rows, just like earlier versions.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just one row
> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and manage
> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I overreacted!
> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make up for
> petulance.
>
>
> Roger
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite and it
> > looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top: color
> > wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself below
> > that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color
> selected
> > and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay buttons
> > below that.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I
> >> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
> >>
> >> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
> >>
> >> TIA,
> >> Roger
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>
>
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-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec  7 18:24:31 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 17:24:31 -0600
Subject: cursor not vanishing in Linux
In-Reply-To: <fed337a2025fd48fefa701f145f86126@fourthworld.com>
References: <fed337a2025fd48fefa701f145f86126@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5484E1AF.1060405@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/7/2014, 3:04 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Many seeming oddities in the language are merely conventions established
> by the HyperCard team.  IIRC the need to lock the cursor to have it
> maintained after idle is one of them

It was probably either a SuperCard or MetaCard thing. HC kept the cursor 
set until you changed it again.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Dec  7 18:25:36 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 18:25:36 -0500
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <95EE571A-2661-4B92-B825-FFEAC3DDB67A@earthednet.org>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
	<CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>
	<95EE571A-2661-4B92-B825-FFEAC3DDB67A@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <E052C8B5-4FBE-455D-B318-5A975265B72A@verizon.net>

Try this instead:

on mouseup
    quit
end mouseup



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec  7 19:04:52 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:04:52 -0800
Subject: Palettising a stack
Message-ID: <98c727882ccd024219fb58e7e0df0d29@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:
> I wonder why
> 
> on openStack
>    palette stack "OOMPALOOMPA"
> end openStack
> 
> does not palettise my stack?
> 
> (6.7 Linux)

Check the mode of the stack - if it's 4, then it's a palette.

You may also want to make sure the raisePalettes property is set to 
true; in most versions (for reasons I don't understand) it's off by 
default.

And equally mystifying is that the Gnome project has never defined a 
unique window style to visually distinguish palettes, so even with the 
raisePalettes set to true they're somewhat odd on Linux since they have 
unique behavior yet look like all other windows.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems




From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun Dec  7 18:58:26 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 15:58:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
Message-ID: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>

Dear List,

sometimes one needs a custom slider for either mobile or desktop.

I made one that can be "skinned" in many ways. It is horizontal only.
Can also be used as progress bar.

-------------------------------
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_6.livecode.zip
-------------------------------

Feedback welcome

Kind regards
Bernd




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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Dec  7 19:08:03 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:08:03 -0700
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <8D1DFF068658F62-1E2C-19464@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrKUsTWAYrOTbE5i+zARGwtyZJ_ZFyR3XjzcftsOft5sA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1DFF068658F62-1E2C-19464@webmail-vm008.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpF6zzOENaD-MKYxyA5oio_43T5WRf+GSAJGHPHBPuSbA@mail.gmail.com>

There is the exception of a substack which would have 2 stack entries, but
not really much of an issue.

Adding 2 getprop handlers to the message path implements the desired
behavior pretty easily. (mainstack preferrably, or of course a library or
inserted script)

The following 2 getprops work well enough, though they may break of an
object includes " of " in the name.  Didn't test it with  an actual stack,
substack setup, but pretty sure its right as far as it goes.

And yeah, I know everyone knows this already but it was a chance to mess
with getprop which I've seldom used before. :)
getprop owningcard
   put the long name of the target into tTarget
   replace " of " with cr in tTarget
   if line -2 of tTarget contains "card" then
      return line -2 of tTarget
   else
      return line -3 of tTarget
      end if
end owningcard

getprop owningstack
   put the long name of the target into tTarget
   replace " of " with cr in tTarget
   if line -2 of tTarget contains "stack" then
      return line -2 of tTarget
   else
      return line -1 of tTarget
   end if
end owningstack


It would also be cool if the name of a group actually was.  New group names
are empty (cards too) so they are displayed differently than other objects
when looking at the long name.  They're returned without surrounding quotes
unless of course you click in the property inspector name box and then
click away (keeping the display name that wasn't a name, that is then a
name.. Say that 3 times fast)  Would make it easier to chunk up a long name
if it were consistent since  " " strings (with preceding and trailing
space?) are treated as words.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:50 PM, <dunbarx at aol.com> wrote:

> Pete.
>
>
> What Mike said, in that maybe I do not understand your question. A control
> might, for example, belong to one or more groups, and a different control
> might belong to yet another group.
>
>
> But there is only one card that they all reside on, and only one stack
> that they, er, reside in. But if there is indeed only one of each, then the
> "owner" is just that, the card and the stack.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 6, 2014 11:17 pm
> Subject: Re: Missing properties
>
>
> Seems like "this card" would be useful, or, you could just get the long
> name of the object which contains a small to big list of owning objects
> starting with the object itself.
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > Every now and again, I wonder why certain properties are not available in
> > LC.  The ones that puzzles me the most are the owning card and owning
> stack
> > of an object.
> >
> > Maybe it's just the kind of tools I write but I frequently need to get
> that
> > information.
> >
> > I have written a couple of handlers to get that information but it just
> > seems like there should be a property that does it for you, maybe
> > "ownerStack" and "ownerCard".
> >
> > I've tried a couple of different ways of getting that information and
> > curious how other people do it.  I'm sure there are a lot of people who
> > have written the same handlers!
> >
> > I have a recursive function that traverses up the chain of owner
> properties
> > until it gets to a card or stack, and another one that parses the long
> name
> > of a control to get the information.  I think I prefer the recursive
> > function
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > _______________________________________________
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Dec  7 19:12:43 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:12:43 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <E052C8B5-4FBE-455D-B318-5A975265B72A@verizon.net>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
	<CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>
	<95EE571A-2661-4B92-B825-FFEAC3DDB67A@earthednet.org>
	<E052C8B5-4FBE-455D-B318-5A975265B72A@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <EF795D5F-C06B-4158-9DEF-DA464290975E@earthednet.org>

Colin:
I did try that and it crashed the app too. That?s why I tried to delay the quit until it got through doing the mouseDown handler.
Bill
On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> Try this instead:
> 
> on mouseup
>    quit
> end mouseup
> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Dec  7 19:14:36 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:14:36 -0800
Subject: Tab buttons wrong
Message-ID: <AF5BD5EB-31DB-435A-B3B6-9B7FF3813A2B@earthednet.org>

Folks:
On a Mac, when there are tabs, the active tab is hilited and the inactive tabs are greyed out. I?ve seen postings on this previously and figured the situation was fixed. But, not so in LC V7.0.1(rc3) on Mavericks.

This seems to be a bug that should be fixed. It?s simply backwards from what users expec.
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/



From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Dec  7 19:14:45 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 19:14:45 -0500
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <EF795D5F-C06B-4158-9DEF-DA464290975E@earthednet.org>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
	<CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>
	<95EE571A-2661-4B92-B825-FFEAC3DDB67A@earthednet.org>
	<E052C8B5-4FBE-455D-B318-5A975265B72A@verizon.net>
	<EF795D5F-C06B-4158-9DEF-DA464290975E@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <FBAF2B5F-2138-4538-A7FF-D5693C8DE19C@verizon.net>

A bare bones test seems not to crash. Look for any handlers you have that are still doing something at the time you quit.

BTW, I was testing the idea with v7.01 rc3.





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec  7 19:15:41 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:15:41 -0800
Subject: cursor not vanishing in Linux
Message-ID: <06a2f52a13c6cc8eaa29ebee5a9f35e7@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/7/2014, 3:04 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Many seeming oddities in the language are merely conventions 
>> established
>> by the HyperCard team.  IIRC the need to lock the cursor to have it
>> maintained after idle is one of them
> 
> It was probably either a SuperCard or MetaCard thing. HC kept the 
> cursor
> set until you changed it again.

We can blame Jeanne, since she doesn't read this list often enough to 
defend herself here. :)

On page 230 of the book she co-authored, "HyperTalk 2.2: The Book" it 
claims:

    At idle time -- when all handlers have finished running -- HyperCard
    sets the cursor back to the cursor for the current tool, or to the
    standard arrow if the pointer is not in the current window.  The
    only way to lock a cursor to a particular image is to use an XCMD.

So lockCursor does appear to have been introduced by SuperCard, and 
later faithfully carried through by MetaCard and hence LiveCode, but its 
revert-on-idle behavior was either present as of HC V2.2 or Jeanne (or 
one of the other two authors) miswrote the cursor entry in their book.

Interestingly, that page goes on to note that there was no way to query 
the current cursor image.   It's been so long since I used HC I'd 
forgotten how limited it was.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
  Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys



From irog at mac.com  Sun Dec  7 19:27:34 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:27:34 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtSMGF-TxR1od6f7uw1TjGpCyzDfC24v+K85CjwzbkWTEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ACF117E-28D0-45FC-9F89-A7EA482E76D9@mac.com>
	<CAOpWwtSMGF-TxR1od6f7uw1TjGpCyzDfC24v+K85CjwzbkWTEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20285BFA-B0CC-4198-B7B8-01008C21EE66@mac.com>

Thank you Howard! There?s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed. You don?t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point other than that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!!


> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:
> 
> Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and you'll get
> 10 rows, just like earlier versions.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just one row
>> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and manage
>> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I overreacted!
>> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make up for
>> petulance.
>> 
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite and it
>>> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top: color
>>> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself below
>>> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color
>> selected
>>> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay buttons
>>> below that.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault, but I
>>>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
>>>> 
>>>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
>>>> 
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Roger
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> Howard Bornstein
> -----------------------
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From irog at mac.com  Sun Dec  7 19:30:17 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 16:30:17 -0800
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
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References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
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That is very cool! Thank you, Bernd
.
> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:58 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> 
> sometimes one needs a custom slider for either mobile or desktop.
> 
> I made one that can be "skinned" in many ways. It is horizontal only.
> Can also be used as progress bar.
> 
> -------------------------------
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_6.livecode.zip
> -------------------------------
> 
> Feedback welcome
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jhj at jhj.com  Sun Dec  7 19:45:11 2014
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:45:11 -0800
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
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Very handy! I need a sliding on-off switch, and this will work perfectly!
Thanks,
Jerry

On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:58 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

> Dear List,
> 
> sometimes one needs a custom slider for either mobile or desktop.
> 
> I made one that can be "skinned" in many ways. It is horizontal only.
> Can also be used as progress bar.
> 
> -------------------------------
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_6.livecode.zip
> -------------------------------
> 
> Feedback welcome
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec  7 19:58:58 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 18:58:58 -0600
Subject: cursor not vanishing in Linux
In-Reply-To: <06a2f52a13c6cc8eaa29ebee5a9f35e7@fourthworld.com>
References: <06a2f52a13c6cc8eaa29ebee5a9f35e7@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5595CACD-A8AB-4FDD-90BA-1677EAC55D4C@hyperactivesw.com>

She's right. Jeanne is always right.  I knew that lock cursor wasn't HC but I got the actual behavior wrong. 

On December 7, 2014 6:15:41 PM CST, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> On 12/7/2014, 3:04 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> Many seeming oddities in the language are merely conventions 
>>> established
>>> by the HyperCard team.  IIRC the need to lock the cursor to have it
>>> maintained after idle is one of them
>> 
>> It was probably either a SuperCard or MetaCard thing. HC kept the 
>> cursor
>> set until you changed it again.
>
>We can blame Jeanne, since she doesn't read this list often enough to 
>defend herself here. :)
>
>On page 230 of the book she co-authored, "HyperTalk 2.2: The Book" it 
>claims:
>
>   At idle time -- when all handlers have finished running -- HyperCard
>    sets the cursor back to the cursor for the current tool, or to the
>    standard arrow if the pointer is not in the current window.  The
>    only way to lock a cursor to a particular image is to use an XCMD.
>
>So lockCursor does appear to have been introduced by SuperCard, and 
>later faithfully carried through by MetaCard and hence LiveCode, but
>its 
>revert-on-idle behavior was either present as of HC V2.2 or Jeanne (or 
>one of the other two authors) miswrote the cursor entry in their book.
>
>Interestingly, that page goes on to note that there was no way to query
>
>the current cursor image.   It's been so long since I used HC I'd 
>forgotten how limited it was.
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun Dec  7 19:53:21 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 16:53:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <1CA64D56-64E9-4B37-8885-67B79D6CABD5@jhj.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1CA64D56-64E9-4B37-8885-67B79D6CABD5@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <1418000001504-4686576.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks Roger, Jerry

@Jerry, yes a on-off switch is what I had in mind with the examples on card
3.

with a strong feedback, maybe a bit over the top, can be adjusted.

but currently the visual cues are so subtle that one needs a loupe +
premonition to find them

Kind regards
Bernd



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From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Dec  7 20:29:41 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:29:41 -0800
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice Bernd, thanks.

One suggestion.  Right now, if you click anywhere on the slider outside the
thumb, the thumb moves to the beginning or end.  Would be good if the thumb
movement was a factor of where you click on the slider and min/max values.

For example, if you clicked 2/3rds of the way along the slider, the thumb
would move to where you click and the value (if visible) would be 2/3ds of
the way between the min/max values.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> sometimes one needs a custom slider for either mobile or desktop.
>
> I made one that can be "skinned" in many ways. It is horizontal only.
> Can also be used as progress bar.
>
> -------------------------------
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_6.livecode.zip
> -------------------------------
>
> Feedback welcome
>
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
>
>
>
> --
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun Dec  7 20:31:29 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:31:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thanks Pete,

I like that idea, will probably include an option to choose between "go to
end" or "go to click"
I was a little transfixed by the idea of a switch.
Kind regards
Bernd

Peter Haworth wrote
> Very nice Bernd, thanks.
> 
> One suggestion.  Right now, if you click anywhere on the slider outside
> the
> thumb, the thumb moves to the beginning or end.  Would be good if the
> thumb
> movement was a factor of where you click on the slider and min/max values.
> 
> For example, if you clicked 2/3rds of the way along the slider, the thumb
> would move to where you click and the value (if visible) would be 2/3ds of
> the way between the min/max values.
> 
> Pete
> 
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM, BNig &lt;

> bernd.niggemann@

> &gt; wrote:
> 
>> Dear List,
>>
>> sometimes one needs a custom slider for either mobile or desktop.
>>
>> I made one that can be "skinned" in many ways. It is horizontal only.
>> Can also be used as progress bar.
>>
>> -------------------------------
>> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_6.livecode.zip
>> -------------------------------
>>
>> Feedback welcome
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Bernd





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From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Dec  7 20:41:34 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:41:34 -0800
Subject: raiseWindows
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOApkTLduFGeW=_VN8ogU0FJ21baRBPC48A9ozKQciuZg@mail.gmail.com>

The raiseWindows global doesn't seem to work for palette stacks.  If I
switch to another program, my other LC windows stay visible but any
palettes don't.

Is there some other property that makes palettes behave in the same way as
non-palettes when raiseWindows is true?

LC 6.6.2/OSX 10.7.4

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Dec  7 20:47:20 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 17:47:20 -0800
Subject: raiseWindows
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOApkTLduFGeW=_VN8ogU0FJ21baRBPC48A9ozKQciuZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOApkTLduFGeW=_VN8ogU0FJ21baRBPC48A9ozKQciuZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91786527-A828-4B2D-B515-C68230635B4D@tactilemedia.com>

There?s the raisePalettes property, as well as the hidePalettes property.  Perhaps some combination of the two.

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

On Dec 7, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> The raiseWindows global doesn't seem to work for palette stacks.  If I
> switch to another program, my other LC windows stay visible but any
> palettes don't.
> 
> Is there some other property that makes palettes behave in the same way as
> non-palettes when raiseWindows is true?
> 
> LC 6.6.2/OSX 10.7.4
> 
> Pete
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Dec  7 21:26:07 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 18:26:07 -0800
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bernd.  After looking through your code a bit more, I think the
logic is already there in the calculateThumbPosition handler of the sbThumb
graphic of the slider.

Pete
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Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:31 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

> Thanks Pete,
>
> I like that idea, will probably include an option to choose between "go to
> end" or "go to click"
> I was a little transfixed by the idea of a switch.
> Kind regards
> Bernd
>
> Peter Haworth wrote
> > Very nice Bernd, thanks.
> >
> > One suggestion.  Right now, if you click anywhere on the slider outside
> > the
> > thumb, the thumb moves to the beginning or end.  Would be good if the
> > thumb
> > movement was a factor of where you click on the slider and min/max
> values.
> >
> > For example, if you clicked 2/3rds of the way along the slider, the thumb
> > would move to where you click and the value (if visible) would be 2/3ds
> of
> > the way between the min/max values.
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:58 PM, BNig &lt;
>
> > bernd.niggemann@
>
> > &gt; wrote:
> >
> >> Dear List,
> >>
> >> sometimes one needs a custom slider for either mobile or desktop.
> >>
> >> I made one that can be "skinned" in many ways. It is horizontal only.
> >> Can also be used as progress bar.
> >>
> >> -------------------------------
> >>
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_6.livecode.zip
> >> -------------------------------
> >>
> >> Feedback welcome
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> Bernd
>
>
>
>
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Dec  7 21:30:51 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 18:30:51 -0800
Subject: raiseWindows
In-Reply-To: <91786527-A828-4B2D-B515-C68230635B4D@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOApkTLduFGeW=_VN8ogU0FJ21baRBPC48A9ozKQciuZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<91786527-A828-4B2D-B515-C68230635B4D@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePAKJpV1WxbfPgUKx5f+81OOZG3_tuNB4Q7a56f=cGF_A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Scott, hidePalettes=false did the trick.  Looks like raisePalettes
only affects how palettes are displayed in relation to other windows within
LC.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> There?s the raisePalettes property, as well as the hidePalettes property.
> Perhaps some combination of the two.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
> On Dec 7, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > The raiseWindows global doesn't seem to work for palette stacks.  If I
> > switch to another program, my other LC windows stay visible but any
> > palettes don't.
> >
> > Is there some other property that makes palettes behave in the same way
> as
> > non-palettes when raiseWindows is true?
> >
> > LC 6.6.2/OSX 10.7.4
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Mon Dec  8 00:11:12 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 21:11:12 -0800
Subject: Tab buttons wrong
In-Reply-To: <AF5BD5EB-31DB-435A-B3B6-9B7FF3813A2B@earthednet.org>
References: <AF5BD5EB-31DB-435A-B3B6-9B7FF3813A2B@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <41A2B59A-1FF2-461B-AFBB-03D75F7A23BF@earthednet.org>

BTW, the tab buttons I?m talking about are on the tabbed button control. I know there was discussion about the color of the text on the buttons, but this seems like a big bug to me. The active tab should be lighter, while the inactive tabs are greyed darker.

Comments before I submit a bug report?
Best,
Bill

On Dec 7, 2014, at 4:14 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> Folks:
> On a Mac, when there are tabs, the active tab is hilited and the inactive tabs are greyed out. I?ve seen postings on this previously and figured the situation was fixed. But, not so in LC V7.0.1(rc3) on Mavericks.
> 
> This seems to be a bug that should be fixed. It?s simply backwards from what users expec.
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> http://es.earthednet.org/
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Mon Dec  8 00:30:07 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 21:30:07 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <FBAF2B5F-2138-4538-A7FF-D5693C8DE19C@verizon.net>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
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	<54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>
	<95EE571A-2661-4B92-B825-FFEAC3DDB67A@earthednet.org>
	<E052C8B5-4FBE-455D-B318-5A975265B72A@verizon.net>
	<EF795D5F-C06B-4158-9DEF-DA464290975E@earthednet.org>
	<FBAF2B5F-2138-4538-A7FF-D5693C8DE19C@verizon.net>
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Colin:
I tried closing the browser window (on the card where I had the quit button) and it still crashes.
BUT, I did a test stack, made a standalone, and the quit button works. Hmmmmm. Wonder what it could be. My application stack is pretty big and complex, but ?.. I don?t think any handlers are still running. There are a bunch of substacks.

I?ll try ?Stop using? commands to get the substacks out of memory. BUT, why won?t the button work when the toolbar menu does. Obviously, there?s a difference in the way each works. It?s a mystery.
Bill

On Dec 7, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> A bare bones test seems not to crash. Look for any handlers you have that are still doing something at the time you quit.
> 
> BTW, I was testing the idea with v7.01 rc3.
> 
> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 00:34:25 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 00:34:25 -0500
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <30B4A1FF-82C2-4328-A4E9-5CD4728C43B8@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<30B4A1FF-82C2-4328-A4E9-5CD4728C43B8@sweattechnologies.com>
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On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>
wrote:

> On the whole I'm not sure if there's a big advantage to implementing it in
> the engine but like I said it's not difficult.


I'm assuming that once we have the new syntax definition capability
something like this won't require an engine change.


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Dec  8 01:40:17 2014
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:40:17 +1100
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoeN803ar-9ew6CP___eStSFvUaPO7FFSTdEOKEvH8+6Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<30B4A1FF-82C2-4328-A4E9-5CD4728C43B8@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAKCLKtoeN803ar-9ew6CP___eStSFvUaPO7FFSTdEOKEvH8+6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBA3E100-57B8-42B6-B224-5A9B63B2D881@sweattechnologies.com>


On 8 Dec 2014, at 4:34 pm, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

>> On the whole I'm not sure if there's a big advantage to implementing it in
>> the engine but like I said it's not difficult.
> 
> 
> I'm assuming that once we have the new syntax definition capability
> something like this won't require an engine change.

I would expect adding a property to all objects to still need do be done in the engine.

--
M E R Goulding 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From bornstein at designeq.com  Mon Dec  8 02:17:20 2014
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 23:17:20 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <20285BFA-B0CC-4198-B7B8-01008C21EE66@mac.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ACF117E-28D0-45FC-9F89-A7EA482E76D9@mac.com>
	<CAOpWwtSMGF-TxR1od6f7uw1TjGpCyzDfC24v+K85CjwzbkWTEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20285BFA-B0CC-4198-B7B8-01008C21EE66@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtST15oAYMQfbJwijsMmhFtwOXWr-yPx-dX1ARhe90nS-g@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian
magnifying glass.;-)

On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> Thank you Howard! There?s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed. You
> don?t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point other than
> that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!!
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and you'll get
> > 10 rows, just like earlier versions.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just one row
> >> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and manage
> >> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I overreacted!
> >> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make up for
> >> petulance.
> >>
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite and it
> >>> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top:
> color
> >>> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself below
> >>> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color
> >> selected
> >>> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay
> buttons
> >>> below that.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault,
> but I
> >>>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
> >>>>
> >>>> TIA,
> >>>> Roger
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Howard Bornstein
> > -----------------------
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-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  8 02:33:59 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 07:33:59 +0000
Subject: Using polygon as line and childControlNames
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoV4Hzbe-f6EO8XqgSUqjET7ZBZGQpVMLfVHsWgZkbXrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtoV4Hzbe-f6EO8XqgSUqjET7ZBZGQpVMLfVHsWgZkbXrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6DD09210-D398-43FA-A0FB-FF3E84BB2C50@btinternet.com>

Thanks, this does work but I am confused why childControlNames only returns POLYGON and not "graphic id 1011" as "graphic id 1011? is it?s actual name as I have not renamed it.

All the best

Terry

This works for those who come across this in their stacks:

on deleteChart
  lock screen
  repeat for each line tID in the childControlIDs of me
     delete control id tID of me
  end repeat
  unlock screen
end deleteChart


> On 7 Dec 2014, at 19:20, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?..



From revolution at duncansoftware.on-rev.com  Mon Dec  8 08:01:38 2014
From: revolution at duncansoftware.on-rev.com (revolution at duncansoftware.on-rev.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 08:01:38 -0500
Subject: [OT]DryLab Plus v5.81 announcement
Message-ID: <21B3D4DD-7E25-4FD0-98AD-05E60E525782@duncansoftware.on-rev.com>

Duncan Software announces the immediate availability of the DryLab Plus v5.81.

The DryLab Plus is educational software entailing a thorough dissection simulation including testing and reporting. There are 6 individual programs in the series including the Fetal Pig, Frog, Rat, Perch, Crayfish, and Earthworm. If you know a science teacher or home schoolers please pass this info along to them.

Please please download the FREE demo and let us know of any bugs that you find. There is a button in the program for reporting bugs via blind email. If you are interested in the CGI email script just let us know. A version of this script is used to report the student's marks without popping up their email program which would allow them to alter the content.

2014 is the 20th anniversary of the development of this software in 1994 for Windows 3.1 using ToolBook. It was almost a DOS program but we decided at the last minute to go "modern" and develop for Windows 3.1. Over the intervening years it has wandered through Authorware, Director, Flash, mTropolis, Oracle Media Objects, et al to finally and "happily" arrive at Livecode. This was a complete rewrite starting from scratch and now the software runs on Mac OSX and Windows.

Our web site is at:

http://www.duncansoftware.com

However you can get a direct download of the free demo by going to:

http://www.duncansoftware.com/demo581.html

The demo contains selected material from each of the 6 programs in the series.

A companion program is also available, the DryLab 3D/2D. As expected this program contains stunning 3D pictures and only requires red/blue 3D glasses. All the material is also available in 2D format for those not able to view 3D. This series of 11 programs was also created in Livecode. The direct link to the demo is:

http://www.duncansoftware.com/demo3d.html

Please do not clog up the list with bug reports on these titles. You can send them directly to us at

customerservice at duncansoftware.com

Of course you need to replace " at " with the @ symbol. If there are any reports that we think would be of interest to the list we will report them.

If you are still reading we truly thank you for your interest and thanks to RunRev for allowing the occasional product announcement.







From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 09:46:06 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:46:06 -0500
Subject: Using polygon as line and childControlNames
In-Reply-To: <6DD09210-D398-43FA-A0FB-FF3E84BB2C50@btinternet.com>
References: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtoV4Hzbe-f6EO8XqgSUqjET7ZBZGQpVMLfVHsWgZkbXrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DD09210-D398-43FA-A0FB-FF3E84BB2C50@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoBBbDk1BJtcpk1sMtbTnpHmL9fca_YwkRwoc_oRDFgEg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, this does work but I am confused why childControlNames only
> returns POLYGON and not "graphic id 1011" as "graphic id 1011? is it?s
> actual name as I have not renamed it.
>

No idea. It's not doing that for me.


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 09:48:48 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:48:48 -0500
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <FBA3E100-57B8-42B6-B224-5A9B63B2D881@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<30B4A1FF-82C2-4328-A4E9-5CD4728C43B8@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAKCLKtoeN803ar-9ew6CP___eStSFvUaPO7FFSTdEOKEvH8+6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBA3E100-57B8-42B6-B224-5A9B63B2D881@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrV_8xGNdDXSPhL2PVOOGN+KckeLRVCZz0d8=bQoLK6SA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>
wrote:

> I would expect adding a property to all objects to still need do be done
> in the engine.


Why? I know we don't have detailed documentation on the syntax morphing
functionality, but why would this be any different than the other examples
that have been given of how we'll be able to tweak the language? Depending
on the implementation it might be complex (if there isn't a generic way to
refer to objects) or simple (if there is), but either way it should at
least be possible, yes?


From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  8 09:51:43 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:51:43 +0000
Subject: Using polygon as line and childControlNames
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtoBBbDk1BJtcpk1sMtbTnpHmL9fca_YwkRwoc_oRDFgEg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtoV4Hzbe-f6EO8XqgSUqjET7ZBZGQpVMLfVHsWgZkbXrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DD09210-D398-43FA-A0FB-FF3E84BB2C50@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtoBBbDk1BJtcpk1sMtbTnpHmL9fca_YwkRwoc_oRDFgEg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B98D1892-7A9A-4881-BF40-B6D38A3E1590@btinternet.com>

I?m using a Mac with Yosemite 10.10.1

Are you Windows or Linux? That may explain it.

All the best

Terry


> On 8 Dec 2014, at 14:46, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, this does work but I am confused why childControlNames only
>> returns POLYGON and not "graphic id 1011" as "graphic id 1011? is it?s
>> actual name as I have not renamed it.
>> 
> 
> No idea. It's not doing that for me.
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 09:52:58 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:52:58 -0500
Subject: [OT]DryLab Plus v5.81 announcement
In-Reply-To: <21B3D4DD-7E25-4FD0-98AD-05E60E525782@duncansoftware.on-rev.com>
References: <21B3D4DD-7E25-4FD0-98AD-05E60E525782@duncansoftware.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtr4ifTcg7ubxQ5dVRmj3pn+sudCJq6OSfXhRrL=y9CzAA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:01 AM, revolution at duncansoftware.on-rev.com <
revolution at duncansoftware.on-rev.com> wrote:

> 1994 for Windows 3.1 using ToolBook ...  it has wandered through
> Authorware, Director, Flash, mTropolis, Oracle Media Objects, et al to
> finally and "happily" arrive at Livecode.


Wow, that's quite the journey. Given how far back in the chain Flash was, I
assume that was some time ago. What made you give it up? Actually, I'd be
curious about why each of these proved unsatisfactory -- I understand that
for some the reason might be "it was discontinued."


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 09:54:15 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:54:15 -0500
Subject: Using polygon as line and childControlNames
In-Reply-To: <B98D1892-7A9A-4881-BF40-B6D38A3E1590@btinternet.com>
References: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtoV4Hzbe-f6EO8XqgSUqjET7ZBZGQpVMLfVHsWgZkbXrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DD09210-D398-43FA-A0FB-FF3E84BB2C50@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtoBBbDk1BJtcpk1sMtbTnpHmL9fca_YwkRwoc_oRDFgEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B98D1892-7A9A-4881-BF40-B6D38A3E1590@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKto+D2c3ATfAE-pJ14x-9UpFW=ZhCpF18PTP+AemRdELBw@mail.gmail.com>

Mac with Yosemite 10,10,1 here. I've only checked in LC 7.0.0.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com>
wrote:

> I?m using a Mac with Yosemite 10.10.1
>
> Are you Windows or Linux? That may explain it.
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
>
>
> > On 8 Dec 2014, at 14:46, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Terence Heaford <
> t.heaford at btinternet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, this does work but I am confused why childControlNames only
> >> returns POLYGON and not "graphic id 1011" as "graphic id 1011? is it?s
> >> actual name as I have not renamed it.
> >>
> >
> > No idea. It's not doing that for me.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 09:57:08 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:57:08 -0500
Subject: Using polygon as line and childControlNames
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKto+D2c3ATfAE-pJ14x-9UpFW=ZhCpF18PTP+AemRdELBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtoV4Hzbe-f6EO8XqgSUqjET7ZBZGQpVMLfVHsWgZkbXrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DD09210-D398-43FA-A0FB-FF3E84BB2C50@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtoBBbDk1BJtcpk1sMtbTnpHmL9fca_YwkRwoc_oRDFgEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B98D1892-7A9A-4881-BF40-B6D38A3E1590@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKto+D2c3ATfAE-pJ14x-9UpFW=ZhCpF18PTP+AemRdELBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpgKqg10_H66e5CY5WX8xzBsq+9PE7Hqz4cbGiPOGKhNw@mail.gmail.com>

I created a group and set this as the script:

on drawLine x,y,x1,y1,tColor
   lock screen
   set the style of the templateGraphic to polygon
   put x & "," & y & return & x1 & "," & y1 into tPoints
   create grc in me
   put the id of the last grc of me into tID
   set the foregroundColor of of grc id tID to tColor
   set the points of grc id tID to tPoints
   set the locked of grc id tID to true
   unlock screen
   put the childControlNames of me
end drawLine

Then this in the message box:

send "drawLine 1,1,50,200,blue" to grp 1

puts this:

graphic id 1008


On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mac with Yosemite 10,10,1 here. I've only checked in LC 7.0.0.
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I?m using a Mac with Yosemite 10.10.1
>>
>> Are you Windows or Linux? That may explain it.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>> > On 8 Dec 2014, at 14:46, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Terence Heaford <
>> t.heaford at btinternet.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks, this does work but I am confused why childControlNames only
>> >> returns POLYGON and not "graphic id 1011" as "graphic id 1011? is it?s
>> >> actual name as I have not renamed it.
>> >>
>> >
>> > No idea. It's not doing that for me.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-livecode mailing list
>> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>
>>
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>


From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec  8 10:31:38 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:31:38 -0500
Subject: [OT]DryLab Plus v5.81 announcement
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr4ifTcg7ubxQ5dVRmj3pn+sudCJq6OSfXhRrL=y9CzAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21B3D4DD-7E25-4FD0-98AD-05E60E525782@duncansoftware.on-rev.com>
	<CAKCLKtr4ifTcg7ubxQ5dVRmj3pn+sudCJq6OSfXhRrL=y9CzAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F71FA267-58D6-4B97-BAB7-C58A583DA51A@verizon.net>

I think the order may not be right. mTropolis pre-dates Flash. So does Oracle Media Objects.


> On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:01 AM, revolution at duncansoftware.on-rev.com <
> revolution at duncansoftware.on-rev.com> wrote:
> 
>> 1994 for Windows 3.1 using ToolBook ...  it has wandered through
>> Authorware, Director, Flash, mTropolis, Oracle Media Objects, et al to
>> finally and "happily" arrive at Livecode.
> 
> 
> Wow, that's quite the journey. Given how far back in the chain Flash was, I
> assume that was some time ago. What made you give it up? Actually, I'd be
> curious about why each of these proved unsatisfactory -- I understand that
> for some the reason might be "it was discontinued."



From ray at linkit.com  Mon Dec  8 10:38:38 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 12:38:38 -0300
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrV_8xGNdDXSPhL2PVOOGN+KckeLRVCZz0d8=bQoLK6SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>	<30B4A1FF-82C2-4328-A4E9-5CD4728C43B8@sweattechnologies.com>	<CAKCLKtoeN803ar-9ew6CP___eStSFvUaPO7FFSTdEOKEvH8+6Q@mail.gmail.com>	<FBA3E100-57B8-42B6-B224-5A9B63B2D881@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAKCLKtrV_8xGNdDXSPhL2PVOOGN+KckeLRVCZz0d8=bQoLK6SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5485C5FE.5050909@LinkIt.Com>

Greetings List,

About a year ago I solicited suggestions for a command line tool, Mac 
and Windows, I could license which would return the number of pages in a 
PDF as well as convert it to images at various resolutions.

Unfortunately I still haven't found an ideal solution so I thought I'd 
ask if anybody has experience or suggestions with the inner-workings of 
PDF files so I could consider writing my own converter, maybe as a 
plugin, for a Livecode standalone.  OF course it would be great to write 
it in Livecode.

Thoughts?

Thanks!



From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Mon Dec  8 10:57:30 2014
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 07:57:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [OT]DryLab Plus v5.81 announcement
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr4ifTcg7ubxQ5dVRmj3pn+sudCJq6OSfXhRrL=y9CzAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21B3D4DD-7E25-4FD0-98AD-05E60E525782@duncansoftware.on-rev.com>
	<CAKCLKtr4ifTcg7ubxQ5dVRmj3pn+sudCJq6OSfXhRrL=y9CzAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1418054250202-4686598.post@n4.nabble.com>

Congrats on 20 years with this product! 

It would be very interesting to hear details of your authoring odyssey
through all those tools and years.

-- Tom Bodine



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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Dec  8 11:06:51 2014
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:06:51 -0500
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
In-Reply-To: <5485C5FE.5050909@LinkIt.Com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>	<30B4A1FF-82C2-4328-A4E9-5CD4728C43B8@sweattechnologies.com>	<CAKCLKtoeN803ar-9ew6CP___eStSFvUaPO7FFSTdEOKEvH8+6Q@mail.gmail.com>	<FBA3E100-57B8-42B6-B224-5A9B63B2D881@sweattechnologies.com>	<CAKCLKtrV_8xGNdDXSPhL2PVOOGN+KckeLRVCZz0d8=bQoLK6SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5485C5FE.5050909@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <001501d01300$fabd92c0$f038b840$@net>

Ray,

I talked to Mark about PDFs and LC @rr14. The Foxit PDF library has been
chosen by Google and is open source. RR plans to make the API available
cross-platform(including mobile). I don't know the implementation schedule.

>From Foxit Web Page:
FoxitR Corporation, a leading provider of solutions for reading, editing,
creating, organizing, and securing PDF documents, today announced that Foxit
PDF technology has been chosen as the open-source PDF rendering engine in
the Google's open-source PDFium Project.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Ray
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 10:39 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images

Greetings List,

About a year ago I solicited suggestions for a command line tool, Mac and
Windows, I could license which would return the number of pages in a PDF as
well as convert it to images at various resolutions.

Unfortunately I still haven't found an ideal solution so I thought I'd ask
if anybody has experience or suggestions with the inner-workings of PDF
files so I could consider writing my own converter, maybe as a plugin, for a
Livecode standalone.  OF course it would be great to write it in Livecode.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 11:09:33 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:09:33 -0700
Subject: Using polygon as line and childControlNames
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpgKqg10_H66e5CY5WX8xzBsq+9PE7Hqz4cbGiPOGKhNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtoV4Hzbe-f6EO8XqgSUqjET7ZBZGQpVMLfVHsWgZkbXrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DD09210-D398-43FA-A0FB-FF3E84BB2C50@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtoBBbDk1BJtcpk1sMtbTnpHmL9fca_YwkRwoc_oRDFgEg@mail.gmail.com>
	<B98D1892-7A9A-4881-BF40-B6D38A3E1590@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKto+D2c3ATfAE-pJ14x-9UpFW=ZhCpF18PTP+AemRdELBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtpgKqg10_H66e5CY5WX8xzBsq+9PE7Hqz4cbGiPOGKhNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp6EurbAdv_7sxKezE+8xxN3Hke7qijS+eknm1d6Gf2Fw@mail.gmail.com>

If the template grc is being set to polygon prior to creation, it SHOULD be
named polygon. Polygons appear named as polygons.  If you leave out the set
style line, then an unnamed polygon shows in which case the engine defers
it to "graphic id <whatever>" The first example you used, creates the grc,
then sets the style, hence the different behavior, so it matters when the
style is set, in the template, or after the fact.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> I created a group and set this as the script:
>
> on drawLine x,y,x1,y1,tColor
>    lock screen
>    set the style of the templateGraphic to polygon
>    put x & "," & y & return & x1 & "," & y1 into tPoints
>    create grc in me
>    put the id of the last grc of me into tID
>    set the foregroundColor of of grc id tID to tColor
>    set the points of grc id tID to tPoints
>    set the locked of grc id tID to true
>    unlock screen
>    put the childControlNames of me
> end drawLine
>
> Then this in the message box:
>
> send "drawLine 1,1,50,200,blue" to grp 1
>
> puts this:
>
> graphic id 1008
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mac with Yosemite 10,10,1 here. I've only checked in LC 7.0.0.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Terence Heaford <
> t.heaford at btinternet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I?m using a Mac with Yosemite 10.10.1
> >>
> >> Are you Windows or Linux? That may explain it.
> >>
> >> All the best
> >>
> >> Terry
> >>
> >>
> >> > On 8 Dec 2014, at 14:46, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Terence Heaford <
> >> t.heaford at btinternet.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Thanks, this does work but I am confused why childControlNames only
> >> >> returns POLYGON and not "graphic id 1011" as "graphic id 1011? is
> it?s
> >> >> actual name as I have not renamed it.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > No idea. It's not doing that for me.
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> >>
> >>
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From ray at linkit.com  Mon Dec  8 11:29:13 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 13:29:13 -0300
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
In-Reply-To: <001501d01300$fabd92c0$f038b840$@net>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>	<30B4A1FF-82C2-4328-A4E9-5CD4728C43B8@sweattechnologies.com>	<CAKCLKtoeN803ar-9ew6CP___eStSFvUaPO7FFSTdEOKEvH8+6Q@mail.gmail.com>	<FBA3E100-57B8-42B6-B224-5A9B63B2D881@sweattechnologies.com>	<CAKCLKtrV_8xGNdDXSPhL2PVOOGN+KckeLRVCZz0d8=bQoLK6SA@mail.gmail.com>	<5485C5FE.5050909@LinkIt.Com>
	<001501d01300$fabd92c0$f038b840$@net>
Message-ID: <5485D1D9.2050507@LinkIt.Com>

Ralph,

This is very exciting news for me regarding this front.  How can I learn 
more and stay on top of this?

Thanks,

Ray

On 12/8/2014 1:06 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> Ray,
>
> I talked to Mark about PDFs and LC @rr14. The Foxit PDF library has been
> chosen by Google and is open source. RR plans to make the API available
> cross-platform(including mobile). I don't know the implementation schedule.
>
>  From Foxit Web Page:
> FoxitR Corporation, a leading provider of solutions for reading, editing,
> creating, organizing, and securing PDF documents, today announced that Foxit
> PDF technology has been chosen as the open-source PDF rendering engine in
> the Google's open-source PDFium Project.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Ray
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 10:39 AM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
>
> Greetings List,
>
> About a year ago I solicited suggestions for a command line tool, Mac and
> Windows, I could license which would return the number of pages in a PDF as
> well as convert it to images at various resolutions.
>
> Unfortunately I still haven't found an ideal solution so I thought I'd ask
> if anybody has experience or suggestions with the inner-workings of PDF
> files so I could consider writing my own converter, maybe as a plugin, for a
> Livecode standalone.  OF course it would be great to write it in Livecode.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
>
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From jiml at netrin.com  Mon Dec  8 12:04:52 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 09:04:52 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1188.1418016607.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1188.1418016607.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <FCD6EAB0-5684-464B-91D9-4AD405B2BC1D@netrin.com>


> Prothero wrote:
> 
> why won?t the button work when the toolbar menu does. Obviously, there?s a difference in the way each works.

What happens if you

doMenu ?Quit? from menu [appName]

?


Jim Lambert

From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 12:28:40 2014
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:28:40 +0100
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtST15oAYMQfbJwijsMmhFtwOXWr-yPx-dX1ARhe90nS-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ACF117E-28D0-45FC-9F89-A7EA482E76D9@mac.com>
	<CAOpWwtSMGF-TxR1od6f7uw1TjGpCyzDfC24v+K85CjwzbkWTEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20285BFA-B0CC-4198-B7B8-01008C21EE66@mac.com>
	<CAOpWwtST15oAYMQfbJwijsMmhFtwOXWr-yPx-dX1ARhe90nS-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHFYGn7AHODSKpQc85en_V+NPbz5YQe2DmkVfdrfY5cu9kL1Dw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Can someone post a screenshot because I don't see a small dot on the
Yosemite color picker.
I am also stuck with one row of colors.

Greetings,

William



2014-12-08 8:17 GMT+01:00 Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>:

> I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian
> magnifying glass.;-)
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Howard! There?s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed. You
> > don?t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point other
> than
> > that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!!
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and you'll
> get
> > > 10 rows, just like earlier versions.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just one
> row
> > >> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and
> manage
> > >> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I
> overreacted!
> > >> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make up
> for
> > >> petulance.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Roger
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite and
> it
> > >>> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top:
> > color
> > >>> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself
> below
> > >>> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color
> > >> selected
> > >>> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay
> > buttons
> > >>> below that.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault,
> > but I
> > >>>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> TIA,
> > >>>> Roger
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> use-livecode mailing list
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> > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Howard Bornstein
> > > -----------------------
> > > www.designeq.com
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>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Howard Bornstein
> -----------------------
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From ray at linkit.com  Mon Dec  8 12:29:20 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 14:29:20 -0300
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <FCD6EAB0-5684-464B-91D9-4AD405B2BC1D@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.1188.1418016607.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<FCD6EAB0-5684-464B-91D9-4AD405B2BC1D@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <5485DFF0.1060306@LinkIt.Com>

I just issue the command "quit".  You might consider saving first or, if 
you don't want any interruptions, locking messages first.

On 12/8/2014 2:04 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:
>> Prothero wrote:
>>
>> why won?t the button work when the toolbar menu does. Obviously, there?s a difference in the way each works.
> What happens if you
>
> doMenu ?Quit? from menu [appName]
>
> ?
>
>
> Jim Lambert
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> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Dec  8 13:03:07 2014
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:03:07 -0500
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
In-Reply-To: <5485D1D9.2050507@LinkIt.Com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>	<30B4A1FF-82C2-4328-A4E9-5CD4728C43B8@sweattechnologies.com>	<CAKCLKtoeN803ar-9ew6CP___eStSFvUaPO7FFSTdEOKEvH8+6Q@mail.gmail.com>	<FBA3E100-57B8-42B6-B224-5A9B63B2D881@sweattechnologies.com>	<CAKCLKtrV_8xGNdDXSPhL2PVOOGN+KckeLRVCZz0d8=bQoLK6SA@mail.gmail.com>	<5485C5FE.5050909@LinkIt.Com>	<001501d01300$fabd92c0$f038b840$@net>
	<5485D1D9.2050507@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <002801d01311$38df6280$aa9e2780$@net>

I think this was a v8 widget target. I don't remember if this is planned for
a v7 version. Richard, Do you have any insight?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Ray
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:29 AM
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Convert PDF's to Images

Ralph,

This is very exciting news for me regarding this front.  How can I learn
more and stay on top of this?

Thanks,

Ray

On 12/8/2014 1:06 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> Ray,
>
> I talked to Mark about PDFs and LC @rr14. The Foxit PDF library has 
> been chosen by Google and is open source. RR plans to make the API 
> available cross-platform(including mobile). I don't know the
implementation schedule.
>
>  From Foxit Web Page:
> FoxitR Corporation, a leading provider of solutions for reading, 
> editing, creating, organizing, and securing PDF documents, today 
> announced that Foxit PDF technology has been chosen as the open-source 
> PDF rendering engine in the Google's open-source PDFium Project.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On 
> Behalf Of Ray
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 10:39 AM
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
>
> Greetings List,
>
> About a year ago I solicited suggestions for a command line tool, Mac 
> and Windows, I could license which would return the number of pages in 
> a PDF as well as convert it to images at various resolutions.
>
> Unfortunately I still haven't found an ideal solution so I thought I'd 
> ask if anybody has experience or suggestions with the inner-workings 
> of PDF files so I could consider writing my own converter, maybe as a 
> plugin, for a Livecode standalone.  OF course it would be great to write
it in Livecode.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec  8 13:08:02 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:08:02 -0800
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
Message-ID: <93bc58634fe8cb62c649f6f58c5105c8@fourthworld.com>

Ralph DiMola wrote:

> I think this was a v8 widget target. I don't remember if this is 
> planned
> for a v7 version. Richard, Do you have any insight?

I don't.  I know a PDF reader was one of the examples shown in Kevin's 
video, but that's as much as I know about that specific widget.

Do you have a URL to the Foxit open source code base?  For many years it 
was not only proprietary but rather expensive to license. It'll be 
interesting to see what license they've chosen.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at livecode.org




From irog at mac.com  Mon Dec  8 13:20:00 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:20:00 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAHFYGn7AHODSKpQc85en_V+NPbz5YQe2DmkVfdrfY5cu9kL1Dw@mail.gmail.com>
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Poke around just between and above the Cancel and OK btns and you?ll find the sweet spot where the cursor turns to a hand.

Roger


> On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Can someone post a screenshot because I don't see a small dot on the
> Yosemite color picker.
> I am also stuck with one row of colors.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> William
> 
> 
> 
> 2014-12-08 8:17 GMT+01:00 Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>:
> 
>> I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian
>> magnifying glass.;-)
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you Howard! There?s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed. You
>>> don?t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point other
>> than
>>> that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and you'll
>> get
>>>> 10 rows, just like earlier versions.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just one
>> row
>>>>> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and
>> manage
>>>>> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I
>> overreacted!
>>>>> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make up
>> for
>>>>> petulance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite and
>> it
>>>>>> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top:
>>> color
>>>>>> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself
>> below
>>>>>> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color
>>>>> selected
>>>>>> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay
>>> buttons
>>>>>> below that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault,
>>> but I
>>>>>>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Howard Bornstein
>>>> -----------------------
>>>> www.designeq.com
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Howard Bornstein
>> -----------------------
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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Mon Dec  8 13:34:19 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 10:34:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Bernd - very nice indeed :)



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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 13:54:10 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:54:10 -0500
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> If the object in question is inside a group, you'd have to recurse your
> way out, or you could use:
>
>     put word -5 to -1 of the long id of btn 1
>
> or if you prefer:
>
>     put word -5 to -1 of the long name of btn 1
>
> (the second would use the name of the card) for just the stack use:
>
>     put word -2 to -1 of the long id of btn 1
>

I wasn't thinking about substacks (durhh). I also didn't account for the
different number of words in a card name if the card has a name vs. just an
id. So if you want a reference to the containing stack (meaning the
substack if there is one) then you'd need:

function owningStack pID
  if word -5 of pID is "stack" then return word -5 to -1 of pID else return
word -2 to -1 of pID
end owningStack

For the card id:

function owningCardID pID
  if word -5 of pID is "stack" then return word -9 to -1 of pID else return
word -6 to -1 of pID
end owningCardID

And for the card name:

function owningCardName pID
   if word -5 of pID is "stack" then put -8 into S else put -5 into S
   if word S of pID is "id" then return word S-1 to -1 of pID else return
word S to -1 of pID
end owningCardName


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 13:57:18 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:57:18 -0500
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <7DBB2747-F9B6-4D80-A46D-CE97112117DC@mac.com>
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William, I'm with you: no small dot, no resizing -- vertically, at least --
I can make the color picker wider up to a point. Here's a link to a screen
shot:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahzx78f6kzudgcl/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2013.56.46.png?dl=0

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> Poke around just between and above the Cancel and OK btns and you?ll find
> the sweet spot where the cursor turns to a hand.
>
> Roger
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Can someone post a screenshot because I don't see a small dot on the
> > Yosemite color picker.
> > I am also stuck with one row of colors.
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > William
> >
> >
> >
> > 2014-12-08 8:17 GMT+01:00 Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>:
> >
> >> I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian
> >> magnifying glass.;-)
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thank you Howard! There?s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed. You
> >>> don?t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point other
> >> than
> >>> that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and you'll
> >> get
> >>>> 10 rows, just like earlier versions.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just one
> >> row
> >>>>> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and
> >> manage
> >>>>> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I
> >> overreacted!
> >>>>> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make up
> >> for
> >>>>> petulance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite and
> >> it
> >>>>>> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top:
> >>> color
> >>>>>> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself
> >> below
> >>>>>> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color
> >>>>> selected
> >>>>>> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay
> >>> buttons
> >>>>>> below that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite) fault,
> >>> but I
> >>>>>>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> TIA,
> >>>>>>> Roger
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>>>>> subscription preferences:
> >>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >>>>> subscription preferences:
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Howard Bornstein
> >>>> -----------------------
> >>>> www.designeq.com
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Howard Bornstein
> >> -----------------------
> >> www.designeq.com
> >> _______________________________________________
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Dec  8 14:00:21 2014
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:00:21 -0500
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
In-Reply-To: <93bc58634fe8cb62c649f6f58c5105c8@fourthworld.com>
References: <93bc58634fe8cb62c649f6f58c5105c8@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <002f01d01319$37447d90$a5cd78b0$@net>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
>I don't.  I know a PDF reader was one of the examples shown in Kevin's
video, but that's as much as I know about that specific widget.

>Do you have a URL to the Foxit open source code base?  For many years it
was not only proprietary but rather expensive to license. It'll be
>interesting to see what license they've chosen.

http://pdfium.googlesource.com/


>From Foxit Web Page:
Foxit Corporation, a leading provider of solutions for reading, editing,
creating, organizing, and securing PDF documents, today announced that Foxit
PDF technology has been chosen as the open-source PDF rendering engine in
the Google's open-source PDFium Project.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
Phone: 518-636-3998 Ex:11
Cell: 518-796-9332


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Gaskin
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 1:08 PM
To: LiveCode List
Subject: Re: Convert PDF's to Images

Ralph DiMola wrote:

> I think this was a v8 widget target. I don't remember if this is 
> planned for a v7 version. Richard, Do you have any insight?

I don't.  I know a PDF reader was one of the examples shown in Kevin's
video, but that's as much as I know about that specific widget.

Do you have a URL to the Foxit open source code base?  For many years it was
not only proprietary but rather expensive to license. It'll be interesting
to see what license they've chosen.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at livecode.org


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From williamdesmet at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 14:21:43 2014
From: williamdesmet at gmail.com (William de Smet)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 20:21:43 +0100
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr7pqh3NvCRuLai8JpKPFTX=-bsTUPp=zDWHL=crTSpXg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHFYGn5LuwgAjhYsPs6W6d-RHS755SwSvFXe2FVFepW9XjDZWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Geoff,

This is my ColorPicker. I only have one visible line.
I am on Yosemite 10.10.1 with LC 6.6.5 on a 21,5 inch iMac.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pkqwsgvu6i5q7tz/ColorPickerYosemite.png?dl=0

greetings,

William



2014-12-08 19:57 GMT+01:00 Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>:

> William, I'm with you: no small dot, no resizing -- vertically, at least --
> I can make the color picker wider up to a point. Here's a link to a screen
> shot:
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahzx78f6kzudgcl/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2013.56.46.png?dl=0
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>
> > Poke around just between and above the Cancel and OK btns and you?ll find
> > the sweet spot where the cursor turns to a hand.
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > Can someone post a screenshot because I don't see a small dot on the
> > > Yosemite color picker.
> > > I am also stuck with one row of colors.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2014-12-08 8:17 GMT+01:00 Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>:
> > >
> > >> I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian
> > >> magnifying glass.;-)
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Thank you Howard! There?s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed.
> You
> > >>> don?t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point other
> > >> than
> > >>> that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein <
> bornstein at designeq.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and
> you'll
> > >> get
> > >>>> 10 rows, just like earlier versions.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just
> one
> > >> row
> > >>>>> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and
> > >> manage
> > >>>>> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I
> > >> overreacted!
> > >>>>> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make
> up
> > >> for
> > >>>>> petulance.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Roger
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite
> and
> > >> it
> > >>>>>> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the top:
> > >>> color
> > >>>>>> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel itself
> > >> below
> > >>>>>> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual color
> > >>>>> selected
> > >>>>>> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay
> > >>> buttons
> > >>>>>> below that.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite)
> fault,
> > >>> but I
> > >>>>>>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old one?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> TIA,
> > >>>>>>> Roger
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>
> > >>>> Howard Bornstein
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> > >>
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> > >>
> > >> Howard Bornstein
> > >> -----------------------
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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  8 14:42:52 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:42:52 +0000
Subject: Using polygon as line and childControlNames
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpgKqg10_H66e5CY5WX8xzBsq+9PE7Hqz4cbGiPOGKhNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D0D38F36-CAB9-4A94-A276-576AE22DBB3D@btinternet.com>
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Tried this and as you suggested it worked on 7.0.1.

I had changed my stack to use the childControlIDs but with your experiment below working changed it back to using childControlNames and it now works, don?t know why but it does. The gremlins strike again.

I think using childControlIDs is the safer solution so I will stick with that.

Thanks for your help

Terry



> On 8 Dec 2014, at 14:57, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I created a group and set this as the script:
> 
> on drawLine x,y,x1,y1,tColor
>   lock screen
>   set the style of the templateGraphic to polygon
>   put x & "," & y & return & x1 & "," & y1 into tPoints
>   create grc in me
>   put the id of the last grc of me into tID
>   set the foregroundColor of of grc id tID to tColor
>   set the points of grc id tID to tPoints
>   set the locked of grc id tID to true
>   unlock screen
>   put the childControlNames of me
> end drawLine
> 
> Then this in the message box:
> 
> send "drawLine 1,1,50,200,blue" to grp 1
> 
> puts this:
> 
> graphic id 1008
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mac with Yosemite 10,10,1 here. I've only checked in LC 7.0.0.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I?m using a Mac with Yosemite 10.10.1
>>> 
>>> Are you Windows or Linux? That may explain it.
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> 
>>> Terry
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Dec 2014, at 14:46, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Terence Heaford <
>>> t.heaford at btinternet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, this does work but I am confused why childControlNames only
>>>>> returns POLYGON and not "graphic id 1011" as "graphic id 1011? is it?s
>>>>> actual name as I have not renamed it.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No idea. It's not doing that for me.
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From bornstein at designeq.com  Mon Dec  8 14:49:18 2014
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:49:18 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAHFYGn5LuwgAjhYsPs6W6d-RHS755SwSvFXe2FVFepW9XjDZWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
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Well, this is strange. I was checking out the color picker in Yosemite
using TextEdit, which incidentally, doesn't have those Cancel and OK
buttons, but has the dot to pull down the color dock. When I call up the
color picker in LC, I get the same view as Geoff, with two lines of palette
docks and no dot to extend the dock section. Unlike Roger, I couldn't find
the "sweet spot" to make this work.

Apparently, LC has modified the system color wheel to a certain extent.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Geoff,
>
> This is my ColorPicker. I only have one visible line.
> I am on Yosemite 10.10.1 with LC 6.6.5 on a 21,5 inch iMac.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pkqwsgvu6i5q7tz/ColorPickerYosemite.png?dl=0
>
> greetings,
>
> William
>
>
>
> 2014-12-08 19:57 GMT+01:00 Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>:
>
> > William, I'm with you: no small dot, no resizing -- vertically, at least
> --
> > I can make the color picker wider up to a point. Here's a link to a
> screen
> > shot:
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahzx78f6kzudgcl/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2013.56.46.png?dl=0
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Poke around just between and above the Cancel and OK btns and you?ll
> find
> > > the sweet spot where the cursor turns to a hand.
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Can someone post a screenshot because I don't see a small dot on the
> > > > Yosemite color picker.
> > > > I am also stuck with one row of colors.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > > William
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2014-12-08 8:17 GMT+01:00 Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>:
> > > >
> > > >> I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian
> > > >> magnifying glass.;-)
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Thank you Howard! There?s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed.
> > You
> > > >>> don?t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point
> other
> > > >> than
> > > >>> that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein <
> > bornstein at designeq.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and
> > you'll
> > > >> get
> > > >>>> 10 rows, just like earlier versions.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just
> > one
> > > >> row
> > > >>>>> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and
> > > >> manage
> > > >>>>> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I
> > > >> overreacted!
> > > >>>>> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make
> > up
> > > >> for
> > > >>>>> petulance.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Roger
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite
> > and
> > > >> it
> > > >>>>>> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the
> top:
> > > >>> color
> > > >>>>>> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel
> itself
> > > >> below
> > > >>>>>> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual
> color
> > > >>>>> selected
> > > >>>>>> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay
> > > >>> buttons
> > > >>>>>> below that.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com>
> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite)
> > fault,
> > > >>> but I
> > > >>>>>>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old
> one?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> TIA,
> > > >>>>>>> Roger
> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > > >>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
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> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Howard Bornstein
> > > >>>> -----------------------
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> > > >>
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-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  8 14:49:21 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:49:21 +0000
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr7pqh3NvCRuLai8JpKPFTX=-bsTUPp=zDWHL=crTSpXg@mail.gmail.com>
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Here?s my screen grab clearly showing the dot.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot%202014-12-08%20at%2019.45.37.png <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot%202014-12-08%20at%2019.45.37.png>


All the best

Terry

> On 8 Dec 2014, at 18:57, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> William, I'm with you: no small dot, no resizing -- vertically, at least --
> I can make the color picker wider up to a point. Here's a link to a screen
> shot:



From bornstein at designeq.com  Mon Dec  8 14:53:46 2014
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 11:53:46 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
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	<CAOpWwtST15oAYMQfbJwijsMmhFtwOXWr-yPx-dX1ARhe90nS-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHFYGn7AHODSKpQc85en_V+NPbz5YQe2DmkVfdrfY5cu9kL1Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7DBB2747-F9B6-4D80-A46D-CE97112117DC@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr7pqh3NvCRuLai8JpKPFTX=-bsTUPp=zDWHL=crTSpXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB5EA22C-1BA3-42F0-957D-FF8333C2739D@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtQMmX0BZuGy-5zpRTz2a7Y=JF+tT7ZeUkNZ_L4r_j+W6Q@mail.gmail.com>

BTW, I'm on Yosemite 10.10 and LC 6.6.2. Maybe this is a function of
version idiosyncrasies.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com>
wrote:

> Here?s my screen grab clearly showing the dot.
>
>
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot%202014-12-08%20at%2019.45.37.png
> <
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98788898/LiveCode/Screen%20Shot%202014-12-08%20at%2019.45.37.png
> >
>
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
>
> > On 8 Dec 2014, at 18:57, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > William, I'm with you: no small dot, no resizing -- vertically, at least
> --
> > I can make the color picker wider up to a point. Here's a link to a
> screen
> > shot:
>
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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  8 14:55:57 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:55:57 +0000
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtSqW33gHyiaXEi=s8tQx=romN1HcC=Jeyjz+XmKQMWS7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ACF117E-28D0-45FC-9F89-A7EA482E76D9@mac.com>
	<CAOpWwtSMGF-TxR1od6f7uw1TjGpCyzDfC24v+K85CjwzbkWTEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20285BFA-B0CC-4198-B7B8-01008C21EE66@mac.com>
	<CAOpWwtST15oAYMQfbJwijsMmhFtwOXWr-yPx-dX1ARhe90nS-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHFYGn7AHODSKpQc85en_V+NPbz5YQe2DmkVfdrfY5cu9kL1Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7DBB2747-F9B6-4D80-A46D-CE97112117DC@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr7pqh3NvCRuLai8JpKPFTX=-bsTUPp=zDWHL=crTSpXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHFYGn5LuwgAjhYsPs6W6d-RHS755SwSvFXe2FVFepW9XjDZWA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BD37D6D6-D388-44CC-AF11-04FC9C8A5990@btinternet.com>

Should have said my screen shot showing the dot is LC community 6.7.1 (RC3) running on iMac 21.5 Yosemite 10.10.1

The dot show on TextEdit, Numbers, Pages.


All the best

Terry


> On 8 Dec 2014, at 19:49, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, this is strange. I was checking out the color picker in Yosemite
> using TextEdit, which incidentally, doesn't have those Cancel and OK
> buttons, but has the dot to pull down the color dock. When I call up the
> color picker in LC, I get the same view as Geoff, with two lines of palette
> docks and no dot to extend the dock section. Unlike Roger, I couldn't find
> the "sweet spot" to make this work.
> 
> Apparently, LC has modified the system color wheel to a certain extent.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Geoff,
>> 
>> This is my ColorPicker. I only have one visible line.
>> I am on Yosemite 10.10.1 with LC 6.6.5 on a 21,5 inch iMac.
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pkqwsgvu6i5q7tz/ColorPickerYosemite.png?dl=0
>> 
>> greetings,
>> 
>> William
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2014-12-08 19:57 GMT+01:00 Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>:
>> 
>>> William, I'm with you: no small dot, no resizing -- vertically, at least
>> --
>>> I can make the color picker wider up to a point. Here's a link to a
>> screen
>>> shot:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahzx78f6kzudgcl/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2013.56.46.png?dl=0
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Poke around just between and above the Cancel and OK btns and you?ll
>> find
>>>> the sweet spot where the cursor turns to a hand.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Can someone post a screenshot because I don't see a small dot on the
>>>>> Yosemite color picker.
>>>>> I am also stuck with one row of colors.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>> 
>>>>> William
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2014-12-08 8:17 GMT+01:00 Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian
>>>>>> magnifying glass.;-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you Howard! There?s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed.
>>> You
>>>>>>> don?t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point
>> other
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein <
>>> bornstein at designeq.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and
>>> you'll
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> 10 rows, just like earlier versions.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just
>>> one
>>>>>> row
>>>>>>>>> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and
>>>>>> manage
>>>>>>>>> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I
>>>>>> overreacted!
>>>>>>>>> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make
>>> up
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> petulance.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite
>>> and
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the
>> top:
>>>>>>> color
>>>>>>>>>> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel
>> itself
>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual
>> color
>>>>>>>>> selected
>>>>>>>>>> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay
>>>>>>> buttons
>>>>>>>>>> below that.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite)
>>> fault,
>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>>>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old
>> one?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>>>>>>> Roger
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>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
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From jiml at netrin.com  Mon Dec  8 15:03:47 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:03:47 -0800
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1264.1418066526.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1264.1418066526.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DC2BCA83-79EA-4402-986D-9F2D2CAAA60E@netrin.com>

In earlier versions of LiveCode on a Mac, you could just load a PDF into a Player object.
Then just set the current time to page through the document and grab screenshots to get images of the pages.

But this doesn?t work anymore.

JimL


From prothero at earthednet.org  Mon Dec  8 15:22:42 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 12:22:42 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <5485DFF0.1060306@LinkIt.Com>
References: <mailman.1188.1418016607.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<FCD6EAB0-5684-464B-91D9-4AD405B2BC1D@netrin.com>
	<5485DFF0.1060306@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <51B4C4D5-6542-4017-B05D-35095E57AF70@earthednet.org>

Ray and Jim:
Tnx for the suggestions. Tried both. I did lock messages prior to the quit statement. I couldn?t get the toolbar menu to fire on quit. The menu is ?PT_Explorer? and the item I want is ?Quit PT_Explorer?. So I did 
domenu ?Quit PT_Explorer? of menu ?PT_Explorer?

I got no response from the doMenu command, so perhaps I needed to include the shortcut key in the name? Anyway, I haven?t fully tried destroying all my substacks before trying to quit. The quit command does work in a bare stack with no other code, tho.

Tnx for the suggestions.

Bill

On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

> I just issue the command "quit".  You might consider saving first or, if you don't want any interruptions, locking messages first.
> 
> On 12/8/2014 2:04 PM, Jim Lambert wrote:
>>> Prothero wrote:
>>> 
>>> why won?t the button work when the toolbar menu does. Obviously, there?s a difference in the way each works.
>> What happens if you
>> 
>> doMenu ?Quit? from menu [appName]
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec  8 16:13:35 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 13:13:35 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
Message-ID: <a3635d79fb80806f9fc6a7543c058508@fourthworld.com>

William Prothero wrote:

> I got no response from the doMenu command, so perhaps I needed
> to include the shortcut key in the name?

DoMenu is pretty limited in LiveCode.  It was necessary in HyperCard 
because that language wasn't rich enough to build an entire IDE in, so 
the only way you could invoke some of the IDE features was through 
"doMenu" as a sort of catch-all.

In LiveCode of course the IDE is make in its own language, so anything 
you see in the IDE can be done more directly in your own stacks than 
having to rely on a generic catch-all.

If you do need to trigger an IDE menu item, you can dispatch a menuPick 
handler to the relevant menu button in revMenubar with the name of the 
menu item as its param.

But quit is very essential - every app needs it - so that's built right 
into the language with the "quit" command.

If you need to do any processing before the app actually quits, you can 
trap the shutdownRequest message.

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From nm at studionm.pl  Mon Dec  8 16:26:46 2014
From: nm at studionm.pl (Marek Niesiobedzki)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 22:26:46 +0100
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
Message-ID: <538824D1-A793-461A-AD0B-7D416B19BA00@studionm.pl>

Thanks a lot Bernd. Perfect!

Marek



From prothero at earthednet.org  Mon Dec  8 16:30:58 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:30:58 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <a3635d79fb80806f9fc6a7543c058508@fourthworld.com>
References: <a3635d79fb80806f9fc6a7543c058508@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <050D04FA-0489-4036-A325-083A7BF86295@earthednet.org>

Richard:
Thanks for the input. I?ll stop messing with the doMenu approach. I?ve tried a number of things to get my app to shut down without crashing the app. I know it must be possible because the toolbar menu quits fine. I may just stop trying to use a script to quit. It?s not essential since the toolbar menu quits fine. Anyway, I?ve tried locking messages, closing all substacks, delaying the ?quit? with a send command, and it crashes no matter. But, a bare stack works fine. I wonder if I?ve come against some other bug in V7.0.1 that the quit command triggers. Anyway, it?s too complex for me to worry about at this stage, so unless there are other bright ideas about what might be happening, I?m going to remove the quit button.
Best,
Bill

On Dec 8, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> William Prothero wrote:
> 
>> I got no response from the doMenu command, so perhaps I needed
>> to include the shortcut key in the name?
> 
> DoMenu is pretty limited in LiveCode.  It was necessary in HyperCard because that language wasn't rich enough to build an entire IDE in, so the only way you could invoke some of the IDE features was through "doMenu" as a sort of catch-all.
> 
> In LiveCode of course the IDE is make in its own language, so anything you see in the IDE can be done more directly in your own stacks than having to rely on a generic catch-all.
> 
> If you do need to trigger an IDE menu item, you can dispatch a menuPick handler to the relevant menu button in revMenubar with the name of the menu item as its param.
> 
> But quit is very essential - every app needs it - so that's built right into the language with the "quit" command.
> 
> If you need to do any processing before the app actually quits, you can trap the shutdownRequest message.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
> 
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Dec  8 16:28:25 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:28:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <1418063659962-4686608.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418063659962-4686608.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1418074105429-4686623.post@n4.nabble.com>

Dave, Marek,

thank you.

The customSlider feature that Pete suggested is in the making. I think it is
a very useful feature to be able to tab/click in the slider and the thumb
moves to that position. Alternatively you can make the thumb move to the
right/left end position as in a switch.

Kind regards
Bernd



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From alain_farmer at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 16:46:20 2014
From: alain_farmer at yahoo.com (Alain Farmer)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 21:46:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: DoMenu
In-Reply-To: <050D04FA-0489-4036-A325-083A7BF86295@earthednet.org>
References: <050D04FA-0489-4036-A325-083A7BF86295@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <1067771499.4242635.1418075180483.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100116.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello Richard,I disagree with your conclusion that DoMenu was necessary in HyperCard because that language wasn't rich enough to build an entire IDE in.DoMenu was an integral part of HyperCard's ease-of learning-to-program.One command (doMenu) versus many commands to learn/use/remember.Part of this paradigm: you can literally script something as-you-would-do-it-as-a-user.For power-users, you could intercept & handle doMenu, add-to-it-then-pass or even re-define it.For what it's worth,Alain

    
On Dec 8, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> William Prothero wrote:
> 
>> I got no response from the doMenu command, so perhaps I needed
>> to include the shortcut key in the name?
> 
> DoMenu is pretty limited in LiveCode.? It was necessary in HyperCard because that language wasn't rich enough to build an entire IDE in, so the only way you could invoke some of the IDE features was through "doMenu" as a sort of catch-all.
> 
> In LiveCode of course the IDE is make in its own language, so anything you see in the IDE can be done more directly in your own stacks than having to rely on a generic catch-all.
> 
> If you do need to trigger an IDE menu item, you can dispatch a menuPick handler to the relevant menu button in revMenubar with the name of the menu item as its param.
> 
> But quit is very essential - every app needs it - so that's built right into the language with the "quit" command.
> 
> If you need to do any processing before the app actually quits, you can trap the shutdownRequest message.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/FourthWorldSys
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From jiml at netrin.com  Mon Dec  8 16:58:43 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:58:43 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1264.1418066526.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1264.1418066526.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5B6E8A05-6EBC-4B63-B083-43B45697F8EE@netrin.com>

I suggested doMenu because Bill said selecting Quit from the menu worked while a button with ?quit? didn?t.

But he reports that doesn?t work for him either, so perhaps doMenu doesn?t really 'do menu' under the hood.

If the Quit accelerator key combination also works (command-Q on Mac) then I?d next try:

      type ?Q? with commandKey

But I would not lock messages in any case.

Jim Lambert


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec  8 17:08:20 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 14:08:20 -0800
Subject: DoMenu
In-Reply-To: <1067771499.4242635.1418075180483.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100116.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1067771499.4242635.1418075180483.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100116.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54862154.3030406@fourthworld.com>

Alain Farmer wrote:

 > Hello Richard,I disagree with your conclusion that DoMenu was
 > necessary in HyperCard because that language wasn't rich enough
 > to build an entire IDE in.

Did Apple ever release a version of HC with its IDE written in HyperTalk?


 > DoMenu was an integral part of HyperCard's ease-of learning-
 > to-program.One command (doMenu) versus many commands to learn/use
 > /remember.

I suppose it could be a matter of taste, whether one writes scripts that 
invoke menu items that invoke commands or writes scripts that invoke the 
commands directly.

Personally, "quit" seems simpler and more intuitive to me than "domenu 
quit".

Reliance on doMenu as a language design element also introduces 
inconsistencies:  what happens when you make your own custom menus and 
still need access to a command normally handled by doMenu?

Even if HC allowed that, it would seem odd (at least to me) to have to 
invoke a menu that doesn't exist.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From revolution at duncansoftware.on-rev.com  Mon Dec  8 17:09:26 2014
From: revolution at duncansoftware.on-rev.com (revolution at duncansoftware.on-rev.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:09:26 -0500
Subject: [OT]DryLab Plus v5.81 announcement
Message-ID: <64525828-63DC-4F9A-9A90-396016468115@duncansoftware.on-rev.com>

Thanks to the kind folks who responded to my announcement. I had to do some debating with myself before responding to this off topic announcement with more off topic verbal diarrhea but there may be something instructional for someone here. I hope.

Colin - You are correct about the order. I didn't intend it to be a chronology.

Geoff and Tom here is a short version of the trip through development land. Other listers might want to scroll past this email.

This is the story of how I accidentally became a software developer. I was teaching and there was money to buy software. The money was spent and the software we received was truly awful. After my teaching partner got tired of hearing me say that I could create better software than this crap he challenged me to do it. I had learned to program on an IBM System 360 Mainframe (back in the days of key punch cards) while studying engineering at the University of Waterloo. Fortran and assembler for any one out there with grey hair.

I started creating the program in DOS before discovering Windows 3.1 and ToolBook. It took me 3 months to create the basic program with the first animal. I look back now and wonder how I did it in such a short time, although, it was during summer break. The original ToolBook version of the DryLab Plus was ahead of its time.  The feature that might most interest fellow programmers was that it was completely editable by a teacher. They could change any of the material including pictures, organ outlines, videos, questions, delete pages (cards) add pages, edit pages ... everything. And then they could save their changes as a new executable program. They could not wander from the program paradigm however. It was a great selling feature but the reality was that very few teachers wanted to be developers although they thought they did at the time of purchase. As developers we make this stuff look easy. It isn't.

I developed a relationship with a distributor and they kept insisting that it needed to run on Macs. Authorware appeared on the surface as the solution or was it mTropolis (I had agreed to write a book for mTropolis when it was sold out from under everyone) or was it Oracle Media Objects (Colin forgive me if I screw up the order). They were all used to produce products but lack of "easily" utilized power was their main failing. The cross platform version was developed but didn't offer many of the features that the original version did. It didn't sell and we had to do too many exchanges with teachers who thought they were getting the editable version.

Then we were on to a Director/Flash version which ran in a browser. That solved the need for it to be cross platform and we were far enough away from the original editable version that it was no longer a problem. Teachers really liked the email reporting feature in this program. So the teachers were happy but our support calls went through the roof. Every other time that shockwave was updated our software would have problems.

A lot of soul searching went into the decision to do the latest rewrite in Livecode. Not because of Livecode but because of the business concern of whether it would pay for the development time and also I am long retired from teaching and if it wasn't for a love of coding I wouldn't be doing this in retirement.

And here we are today with a new version up to the task of running on modern computers.

An interesting note concerning the original development. We decided that the life expectancy of the original ToolBook version was 2 years. We were off by a bit. The last copy of the ToolBook version sold last year, after 19 years, for $129 USD to run on Win XP. The new version is listed at $20 USD. The only missing features in the new version are student tracking and the editable feature. I neglected to mention that the original version tracked every mouse click, page viewed, question answered etc. for every student.

There is of course a great deal more to the thinking that directs the decisions of programmers and hopefully I have said just enough that you won't ask for more details. There were some really bad decisions made and some really good ones.

Stu

>Duncan Software announces the immediate availability of the DryLab Plus v5.81.
>
>The DryLab Plus is educational software entailing a thorough dissection simulation including testing and reporting. There are 6 individual >programs in the series including the Fetal Pig, Frog, Rat, Perch, Crayfish, and Earthworm. If you know a science teacher or home schoolers >please pass this info along to them.
>
>Please please download the FREE demo and let us know of any bugs that you find. There is a button in the program for reporting bugs via blind >email. If you are interested in the CGI email script just let us know. A version of this script is used to report the student's marks without popping >up their email program which would allow them to alter the content.
>
>2014 is the 20th anniversary of the development of this software in 1994 for Windows 3.1 using ToolBook. It was almost a DOS program but we >decided at the last minute to go "modern" and develop for Windows 3.1. Over the intervening years it has wandered through Authorware, >Director, Flash, mTropolis, Oracle Media Objects, et al to finally and "happily" arrive at Livecode. This was a complete rewrite starting from >scratch and now the software runs on Mac OSX and Windows.
>
>Our web site is at:
>
>http://www.duncansoftware.com
>
>However you can get a direct download of the free demo by going to:
>
>http://www.duncansoftware.com/demo581.html
>
>The demo contains selected material from each of the 6 programs in the series.
>
>A companion program is also available, the DryLab 3D/2D. As expected this program contains stunning 3D pictures and only requires red/blue >3D glasses. All the material is also available in 2D format for those not able to view 3D. This series of 11 programs was also created in >Livecode. The direct link to the demo is:
>
>http://www.duncansoftware.com/demo3d.html
>
>Please do not clog up the list with bug reports on these titles. You can send them directly to us at
>
>customerservice at duncansoftware.com
>
>Of course you need to replace " at " with the @ symbol. If there are any reports that we think would be of interest to the list we will report them.
>
>If you are still reading we truly thank you for your interest and thanks to RunRev for allowing the occasional product announcement.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec  8 17:10:58 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 14:10:58 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <050D04FA-0489-4036-A325-083A7BF86295@earthednet.org>
References: <050D04FA-0489-4036-A325-083A7BF86295@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <548621F2.6020309@fourthworld.com>

William Prothero wrote:

 > I?ve tried a number of things to get my app to shut down without
 > crashing the app. I know it must be possible because the toolbar
 > menu quits fine. I may just stop trying to use a script to quit.
 > It?s not essential since the toolbar menu quits fine. Anyway, I?ve
 > tried locking messages, closing all substacks, delaying the ?quit?
 > with a send command, and it crashes no matter.

When it crashes, does the OS present a dialog?  Anything in the system logs?

 > But, a bare stack works fine.

Interesting.  Any pending messages at the time quit is invoked?


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From irog at mac.com  Mon Dec  8 17:18:17 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 14:18:17 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <BD37D6D6-D388-44CC-AF11-04FC9C8A5990@btinternet.com>
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Aha, the thought plickens! I?m running Yosemite 10.10.1 and find the dot appearing in LC 6.7.1 (rc2)  but NOT in LC 6.6.5 nor in 6.7. 





> On Dec 8, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Should have said my screen shot showing the dot is LC community 6.7.1 (RC3) running on iMac 21.5 Yosemite 10.10.1
> 
> The dot show on TextEdit, Numbers, Pages.
> 
> 
> All the best
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
>> On 8 Dec 2014, at 19:49, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, this is strange. I was checking out the color picker in Yosemite
>> using TextEdit, which incidentally, doesn't have those Cancel and OK
>> buttons, but has the dot to pull down the color dock. When I call up the
>> color picker in LC, I get the same view as Geoff, with two lines of palette
>> docks and no dot to extend the dock section. Unlike Roger, I couldn't find
>> the "sweet spot" to make this work.
>> 
>> Apparently, LC has modified the system color wheel to a certain extent.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Geoff,
>>> 
>>> This is my ColorPicker. I only have one visible line.
>>> I am on Yosemite 10.10.1 with LC 6.6.5 on a 21,5 inch iMac.
>>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pkqwsgvu6i5q7tz/ColorPickerYosemite.png?dl=0
>>> 
>>> greetings,
>>> 
>>> William
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2014-12-08 19:57 GMT+01:00 Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>>> William, I'm with you: no small dot, no resizing -- vertically, at least
>>> --
>>>> I can make the color picker wider up to a point. Here's a link to a
>>> screen
>>>> shot:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahzx78f6kzudgcl/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2013.56.46.png?dl=0
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Poke around just between and above the Cancel and OK btns and you?ll
>>> find
>>>>> the sweet spot where the cursor turns to a hand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William de Smet <williamdesmet at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Can someone post a screenshot because I don't see a small dot on the
>>>>>> Yosemite color picker.
>>>>>> I am also stuck with one row of colors.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> William
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2014-12-08 8:17 GMT+01:00 Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian
>>>>>>> magnifying glass.;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thank you Howard! There?s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed.
>>>> You
>>>>>>>> don?t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point
>>> other
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein <
>>>> bornstein at designeq.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and
>>>> you'll
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> 10 rows, just like earlier versions.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just
>>>> one
>>>>>>> row
>>>>>>>>>> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record and
>>>>>>> manage
>>>>>>>>>> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I
>>>>>>> overreacted!
>>>>>>>>>> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to make
>>>> up
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> petulance.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Roger
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on Yosemite
>>>> and
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the
>>> top:
>>>>>>>> color
>>>>>>>>>>> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel
>>> itself
>>>>>>> below
>>>>>>>>>>> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual
>>> color
>>>>>>>>>> selected
>>>>>>>>>>> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and okay
>>>>>>>> buttons
>>>>>>>>>>> below that.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite)
>>>> fault,
>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>>>>>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old
>>> one?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> TIA,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Howard Bornstein
>>>>>>>>> -----------------------
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> -----------------------
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Howard Bornstein
>> -----------------------
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Dec  8 17:33:11 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:33:11 -0800
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp5+w7R7PJ930HG0HDRSd=NKvdS1Mj4MX0EK6h0rSKcMw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <69C517D1-37F2-48F4-90D7-8F06622E86EB@tactilemedia.com>

I haven?t been following this thread closely but the goal is to get the id and/or name of the card on which a controls sits, yes?
If so, wouldn?t the following 2 functions work?

# pObj is a long id control reference

function cardOwnerID pObj
   set the wholeMatches to true
   return char offset("card id",pObj) to -1 of pObj
end cardOwnerID

function cardOwnerName pObj
   return short name of cardOwnerID(pObj)
end cardOwnerName

Admittedly, the cardOwnerID function could fail if a control was located within a nested group that was explicitly named ?card id? but. . .

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

On Dec 8, 2014, at 10:54 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> If the object in question is inside a group, you'd have to recurse your
>> way out, or you could use:
>> 
>>    put word -5 to -1 of the long id of btn 1
>> 
>> or if you prefer:
>> 
>>    put word -5 to -1 of the long name of btn 1
>> 
>> (the second would use the name of the card) for just the stack use:
>> 
>>    put word -2 to -1 of the long id of btn 1
>> 
> 
> I wasn't thinking about substacks (durhh). I also didn't account for the
> different number of words in a card name if the card has a name vs. just an
> id. So if you want a reference to the containing stack (meaning the
> substack if there is one) then you'd need:
> 
> function owningStack pID
>  if word -5 of pID is "stack" then return word -5 to -1 of pID else return
> word -2 to -1 of pID
> end owningStack
> 
> For the card id:
> 
> function owningCardID pID
>  if word -5 of pID is "stack" then return word -9 to -1 of pID else return
> word -6 to -1 of pID
> end owningCardID
> 
> And for the card name:
> 
> function owningCardName pID
>   if word -5 of pID is "stack" then put -8 into S else put -5 into S
>   if word S of pID is "id" then return word S-1 to -1 of pID else return
> word S to -1 of pID
> end owningCardName
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 17:34:19 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:34:19 -0500
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <EAA9F641-68BB-4F14-81EA-A6F0FBD4926A@mac.com>
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Here's mine in 6.6.2, which is the closest I have to 6.6.5. It has two
rows, no matter how I resize it. I wonder if the international aspect is a
factor here?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahqcye1nmp3jn2r/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2017.32.53.png?dl=0

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> Aha, the thought plickens! I?m running Yosemite 10.10.1 and find the dot
> appearing in LC 6.7.1 (rc2)  but NOT in LC 6.6.5 nor in 6.7.
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Should have said my screen shot showing the dot is LC community 6.7.1
> (RC3) running on iMac 21.5 Yosemite 10.10.1
> >
> > The dot show on TextEdit, Numbers, Pages.
> >
> >
> > All the best
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >> On 8 Dec 2014, at 19:49, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, this is strange. I was checking out the color picker in Yosemite
> >> using TextEdit, which incidentally, doesn't have those Cancel and OK
> >> buttons, but has the dot to pull down the color dock. When I call up the
> >> color picker in LC, I get the same view as Geoff, with two lines of
> palette
> >> docks and no dot to extend the dock section. Unlike Roger, I couldn't
> find
> >> the "sweet spot" to make this work.
> >>
> >> Apparently, LC has modified the system color wheel to a certain extent.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM, William de Smet <
> williamdesmet at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Geoff,
> >>>
> >>> This is my ColorPicker. I only have one visible line.
> >>> I am on Yosemite 10.10.1 with LC 6.6.5 on a 21,5 inch iMac.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pkqwsgvu6i5q7tz/ColorPickerYosemite.png?dl=0
> >>>
> >>> greetings,
> >>>
> >>> William
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2014-12-08 19:57 GMT+01:00 Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> William, I'm with you: no small dot, no resizing -- vertically, at
> least
> >>> --
> >>>> I can make the color picker wider up to a point. Here's a link to a
> >>> screen
> >>>> shot:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahzx78f6kzudgcl/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2013.56.46.png?dl=0
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Poke around just between and above the Cancel and OK btns and you?ll
> >>> find
> >>>>> the sweet spot where the cursor turns to a hand.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 9:28 AM, William de Smet <
> williamdesmet at gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> Can someone post a screenshot because I don't see a small dot on the
> >>>>>> Yosemite color picker.
> >>>>>> I am also stuck with one row of colors.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Greetings,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> William
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2014-12-08 8:17 GMT+01:00 Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com
> >:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wouldn't have seen it myself if I hadn't used my large Holmesian
> >>>>>>> magnifying glass.;-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you Howard! There?s a tiny dot there that I had not noticed.
> >>>> You
> >>>>>>>> don?t know how many times I tried to pull down from every point
> >>> other
> >>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>> that tiny dot to no avail. What a twit I am!!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Howard Bornstein <
> >>>> bornstein at designeq.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Just pull down from the bottom of the color picker patches and
> >>>> you'll
> >>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>> 10 rows, just like earlier versions.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Just the flatness of it, but more importantly, the limit of just
> >>>> one
> >>>>>>> row
> >>>>>>>>>> of color patches. I was used to using multiple rows to record
> and
> >>>>>>> manage
> >>>>>>>>>> multiple projects. I realize now that It?s no biggie, and I
> >>>>>>> overreacted!
> >>>>>>>>>> I?ll build a better tool for what I need and offer to all to
> make
> >>>> up
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>> petulance.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Roger
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> How does the color picker look different to you? I'm on
> Yosemite
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>> looks the same as I remember: color picker choices across the
> >>> top:
> >>>>>>>> color
> >>>>>>>>>>> wheel (default), color sliders, etc.; then the color wheel
> >>> itself
> >>>>>>> below
> >>>>>>>>>>> that; then the saturation slider below that; then the actual
> >>> color
> >>>>>>>>>> selected
> >>>>>>>>>>> and the saved colors below that; and finally the cancel and
> okay
> >>>>>>>> buttons
> >>>>>>>>>>> below that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I?m sure the new color picker is totally Apple?s (Yosemite)
> >>>> fault,
> >>>>>>>> but I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hate it? It?s ugly and not as functional as the old one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is there anything I can do about it, like go back to the old
> >>> one?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> TIA,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Roger
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Howard Bornstein
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 17:51:39 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 17:51:39 -0500
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <69C517D1-37F2-48F4-90D7-8F06622E86EB@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtp5+w7R7PJ930HG0HDRSd=NKvdS1Mj4MX0EK6h0rSKcMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<69C517D1-37F2-48F4-90D7-8F06622E86EB@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKto_ukamJ4TFvQ_qm7J2MnoYTAxq6L=idJVnU7WydWHHow@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Admittedly, the cardOwnerID function could fail if a control was located
> within a nested group that was explicitly named ?card id? but. . .
>

Exactly why I did it the way I did. I do like the use of the id in
returning the name, and it occurs to me that it would be better to accept
any valid reference instead of demanding the long name or id  as my earlier
functions did, so I would revise as:

function owningStack pID
  if word -5 of the long id of pID is "stack" then return word -5 to -1
of the long id of pID else return word -2 to -1 of the long id of pID
end owningStack

For the card id:

function owningCardID pID
  if word -5 of the long id of pID is "stack" then return word -9 to -1
of the long id of pID else return word -6 to -1 of the long id of pID
end owningCardID

And for the card name:

function owningCardName pID
   return the long name of owningCardID(pID)
end owningCardName

I'm a bit sad to see the change to owningCardName -- I started with a
horribly nested if statement, and I was very proud to get it down to those
two lines before.


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Dec  8 18:20:45 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 23:20:45 +0000
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqbRFrQv9J4H8quWNLJC5nuN6Aocm1F5SAG=rbkcBUoyA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<EAA9F641-68BB-4F14-81EA-A6F0FBD4926A@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <4B987C34-7685-43D3-BEEA-DE2C8E8ACDC8@byu.edu>

Yup, it?s a Cocoa thing. Not there in 6.6.x on Yosemite. Magically appears when you invoke the color picker in 6.7.x.

Devin


On Dec 8, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's mine in 6.6.2, which is the closest I have to 6.6.5. It has two
> rows, no matter how I resize it. I wonder if the international aspect is a
> factor here?
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahqcye1nmp3jn2r/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2017.32.53.png?dl=0
> 
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> Aha, the thought plickens! I?m running Yosemite 10.10.1 and find the dot
>> appearing in LC 6.7.1 (rc2)  but NOT in LC 6.6.5 nor in 6.7.

Devin Asay
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Mon Dec  8 18:29:26 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 18:29:26 -0500
Subject: DoMenu
In-Reply-To: <54862154.3030406@fourthworld.com>
References: <1067771499.4242635.1418075180483.JavaMail.yahoo@jws100116.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<54862154.3030406@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8D1E155F07AABF3-E40-1F5C5@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>

Richard.


..."Reliance on doMenu as a language design element also introduces inconsistencies:  what happens when you make your own custom menus and still need access to a command normally handled by doMenu?"...


I understand the exigencies of cross platform support. That said, I miss most of all the menu handling in HC, as opposed to the button group in LC.


The creation of a custom menu with associated menuMessages was clean and clear, and those menuMessages could be invoked via "doMenu", but did not require it. The menuMessage handler references were loaded upon menu creation, accessible like ordinary handlers with a simple call.


But you know all this. I am obviously misunderstanding your statement above. 


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 8, 2014 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: DoMenu


Alain Farmer wrote:

 > Hello Richard,I disagree with your conclusion that DoMenu was
 > necessary in HyperCard because that language wasn't rich enough
 > to build an entire IDE in.

Did Apple ever release a version of HC with its IDE written in HyperTalk?


 > DoMenu was an integral part of HyperCard's ease-of learning-
 > to-program.One command (doMenu) versus many commands to learn/use
 > /remember.

I suppose it could be a matter of taste, whether one writes scripts that 
invoke menu items that invoke commands or writes scripts that invoke the 
commands directly.

Personally, "quit" seems simpler and more intuitive to me than "domenu 
quit".

Reliance on doMenu as a language design element also introduces 
inconsistencies:  what happens when you make your own custom menus and 
still need access to a command normally handled by doMenu?

Even if HC allowed that, it would seem odd (at least to me) to have to 
invoke a menu that doesn't exist.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
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From irog at mac.com  Mon Dec  8 19:20:11 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:20:11 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <4B987C34-7685-43D3-BEEA-DE2C8E8ACDC8@byu.edu>
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	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
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	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr9bD=07iuvMDPGq1NR8MJy=joVLYQESYvzt6PvnT1nbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1ACF117E-28D0-45FC-9F89-A7EA482E76D9@mac.com>
	<CAOpWwtSMGF-TxR1od6f7uw1TjGpCyzDfC24v+K85CjwzbkWTEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20285BFA-B0CC-4198-B7B8-01008C21EE66@mac.com>
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	<7DBB2747-F9B6-4D80-A46D-CE97112117DC@mac.com>
	<CAKCLKtr7pqh3NvCRuLai8JpKPFTX=-bsTUPp=zDWHL=crTSpXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHFYGn5LuwgAjhYsPs6W6d-RHS755SwSvFXe2FVFepW9XjDZWA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<BD37D6D6-D388-44CC-AF11-04FC9C8A5990@btinternet.com>
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	<4B987C34-7685-43D3-BEEA-DE2C8E8ACDC8@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <A454F9C9-CCF8-42C3-97E6-00223EA0C3B7@mac.com>

Bummer! I find that versions 6.7.x are a problem for me, but I?ve also found that you can use the dot to reveal more swatches of the Color Picker in LC 6.7.1 (rc2), and it will stay ?open? for when I go back to my current LC favorite, 6.6.5.

Roger



> On Dec 8, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Yup, it?s a Cocoa thing. Not there in 6.6.x on Yosemite. Magically appears when you invoke the color picker in 6.7.x.
> 
> Devin
> 
> 
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Here's mine in 6.6.2, which is the closest I have to 6.6.5. It has two
>> rows, no matter how I resize it. I wonder if the international aspect is a
>> factor here?
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ahqcye1nmp3jn2r/Screenshot%202014-12-08%2017.32.53.png?dl=0
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Aha, the thought plickens! I?m running Yosemite 10.10.1 and find the dot
>>> appearing in LC 6.7.1 (rc2)  but NOT in LC 6.6.5 nor in 6.7.
> 
> Devin Asay
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From ray at linkit.com  Mon Dec  8 19:42:30 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (ray)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:42:30 -0300
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
Message-ID: <utescropudd2fja9k7eh9bav.1418085750449@email.android.com>

I know:) ?I was using that method for a while but it was never really solid and now it's kind of petered out...



-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com> 
Date:12/08/2014  5:03 PM  (GMT-04:00) 
To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com 
Cc:  
Subject: Re: Convert PDF's to Images 

In earlier versions of LiveCode on a Mac, you could just load a PDF into a Player object.
Then just set the current time to page through the document and grab screenshots to get images of the pages.

But this doesn?t work anymore.

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec  8 20:15:54 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 17:15:54 -0800
Subject: DoMenu
In-Reply-To: <8D1E155F07AABF3-E40-1F5C5@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1E155F07AABF3-E40-1F5C5@webmail-m278.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <54864D4A.6020105@fourthworld.com>

dunbarx wrote:

 > I understand the exigencies of cross platform support. That said,
 > I miss most of all the menu handling in HC, as opposed to the button
 > group in LC.
 >
 > The creation of a custom menu with associated menuMessages was clean
 > and clear, and those menuMessages could be invoked via "doMenu", but
 > did not require it. The menuMessage handler references were loaded
 > upon menu creation, accessible like ordinary handlers with a simple
 > call.

The xTalk world has seen at least three methods for handling menus:

HyperCard:  text only, created entirely in scripts

SuperCard:  objects for both menus and items, created in the IDE
             or via scripts

LiveCode:   objects for menus, items are text, created in the IDE
             or via scripts


Creation
--------
HyperCard came with one set of menus, so if there was a menu you didn't 
want in your app you had to explicitly remove it, and then add any you 
did want.  All of this had to be done in scripts, as menus weren't 
persistent objects.

SuperCard uses persistent objects for both menus and menu items, so you 
can create them once using the UI provided in the IDE and be done with 
it.  In the olden days these were sometimes slow if you had to do a lot 
of updating, but I'd guess on modern machines there's no noticeable 
slowdown with those today.

LiveCode is sort of in the middle, with persistent objects for menus, 
which contain the strings that define menu items.  But unlike SuperCard, 
you can populate an entire menu with one chunk expression, and unlike 
HyperCard you don't need to write scripts to populate items.


Updates
-------
In addition to creating items, the other common task we face is updating 
them so that specific items are disabled or enabled appropriate to the 
current context state.

All three xTalk dialects provide ways to handle that, but the main 
difference is triggering:  when exactly do you handle that updating?

In HC and SC you had to keep track of state changes that might affect 
menu disabling throughout your code, modifying menus on the fly as 
actions are performed.

In LC you can just write your code to focus on the action it performs, 
and respond to a single mouseDown event in the menu group to handle menu 
updates discretely.

This seems like a small detail, and perhaps it is, but it's saved me 
many hours of tracking down update stuff to make sure the menus always 
reflect the appropriate state at the moment they're accessed.


Messaging
---------
HyperCard's menuMessage was indeed a godsend, something I missed with SC 
and for a long time with LC as well.  It let us assign a handler name to 
an item, so even if we change the item's name, or also call the routine 
from a context menu which may have a different name, it was easy to 
specify the handler that would be invoked.

In LC we don't have menuMessage, but we have something else which helps 
in many similar circumstance: items can have tags - e.g.:

   &Quit/Q|QuitItem

The tag is the trailing portion following the pipe ("|") - when present, 
that's the value that gets passed with the menuPick message.

With menu item tags we can change the name of an item (like "Quit" on 
Mac and Linux with "Exit" on Windows, or updating the "Paste" item to 
show things like "Paste Text" or "Paste Objects", etc.), and we need to 
write only one case statement to handle any of those variants.

While not quite as convenient as HC's menuMessage, it still lets us use 
centralized code to handle a wide range of menu commands, whether in the 
menu bar or a context menu, by using a single menuPick handler.


All in all, the middle-ground approach LC takes between fully textual 
menus (that have no persistence) and fully object menus (that are 
sometimes slower and less convenient to work with) strikes a balance 
that makes me a happy xTalker.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Mon Dec  8 20:30:35 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 20:30:35 -0500
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
In-Reply-To: <utescropudd2fja9k7eh9bav.1418085750449@email.android.com>
References: <utescropudd2fja9k7eh9bav.1418085750449@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXML85+vzADvrKpJzjTHqcGuhHVLYawZu1amUC908_V4Og@mail.gmail.com>

Thierry Douez makes a LC product called sunnYpdf.  It uses a 3rd party DLL
file and a LiveCode library of custom commands to the DLL.  It converts PDF
to PNG (and other formats) beautifully.  It's for Windows only though.  If
interested, contact the author here <contact at sunny-tdz.com>.

~Roger


On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:42 PM, ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

> I know:)  I was using that method for a while but it was never really
> solid and now it's kind of petered out...
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com>
> Date:12/08/2014  5:03 PM  (GMT-04:00)
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Convert PDF's to Images
>
> In earlier versions of LiveCode on a Mac, you could just load a PDF into a
> Player object.
> Then just set the current time to page through the document and grab
> screenshots to get images of the pages.
>
> But this doesn?t work anymore.
>
> JimL
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 22:03:20 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 19:03:20 -0800
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
In-Reply-To: <5485C5FE.5050909@LinkIt.Com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<30B4A1FF-82C2-4328-A4E9-5CD4728C43B8@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAKCLKtoeN803ar-9ew6CP___eStSFvUaPO7FFSTdEOKEvH8+6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBA3E100-57B8-42B6-B224-5A9B63B2D881@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAKCLKtrV_8xGNdDXSPhL2PVOOGN+KckeLRVCZz0d8=bQoLK6SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5485C5FE.5050909@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSF__GPo3cSiHQ=okWX8vT0n+oS-uUfgYHi_6Jy0NKoNmQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:

>
> About a year ago I solicited suggestions for a command line tool, Mac and
> Windows, I could license which would return the number of pages in a PDF as
> well as convert it to images at various resolutions.
>

There are a few of these.

ImageMagik, jar, pdftk . . .


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Dec  9 01:23:44 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 22:23:44 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <548621F2.6020309@fourthworld.com>
References: <050D04FA-0489-4036-A325-083A7BF86295@earthednet.org>
	<548621F2.6020309@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2D921F41-812D-46B5-803A-D5BD2E40C03B@earthednet.org>

Richard:
I tried doing ?Lock messages? before the quit, and closing unused stacks, but it didn?t seem to make any difference. Apparently the toolbar menu quit command does some kind of cleanup before it actually quits.

Re the system log, I don?t usually try to interpret that. There is a large crash message, tho. I didn?t try to interpret it. Not my area of expertise, but I?ll crash it again and take a look to see if anything pops out. To me, it?s sorta like looking under the hood when the car stops, perhaps kicking a tire.

Best,
Bill
On Dec 8, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> William Prothero wrote:
> 
> > I?ve tried a number of things to get my app to shut down without
> > crashing the app. I know it must be possible because the toolbar
> > menu quits fine. I may just stop trying to use a script to quit.
> > It?s not essential since the toolbar menu quits fine. Anyway, I?ve
> > tried locking messages, closing all substacks, delaying the ?quit?
> > with a send command, and it crashes no matter.
> 
> When it crashes, does the OS present a dialog?  Anything in the system logs?
> 
> > But, a bare stack works fine.
> 
> Interesting.  Any pending messages at the time quit is invoked?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
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> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Tue Dec  9 05:32:06 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 02:32:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <1418074105429-4686623.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418063659962-4686608.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418074105429-4686623.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1418121126893-4686641.post@n4.nabble.com>

Bernd - I love it! Looks really great and functions v nice (only thing is if
I use it I'll have to make the rest of the GUI as pretty...)

Kind regards

Dave



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec  9 09:59:32 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 06:59:32 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <2D921F41-812D-46B5-803A-D5BD2E40C03B@earthednet.org>
References: <2D921F41-812D-46B5-803A-D5BD2E40C03B@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <54870E54.2060902@fourthworld.com>

William Prothero wrote:

 > On Dec 8, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Interesting.  Any pending messages at the time quit is invoked?
 >
 > I tried doing ?Lock messages? before the quit, and closing
 > unused stacks, but it didn?t seem to make any difference.
 > Apparently the toolbar menu quit command does some kind of
 > cleanup before it actually quits.

When I wrote "pending messages" I should have written "pendingMessages", 
e.g. timers ("send <message> in <time>").

For an app to successfully quit two conditions must be met:
1. All stacks are closed
2. All pending messages either complete or are cancelled

It may be that a timer is causing an unexpected interaction with some 
other part of the closing routine.

Of course normally that would only mean the app won't quit, and nothing 
should ever cause a crash in LiveCode - any crash is by definition a bug 
that should be reported so it can be prevented from happening in the future.

The challenge here is to try to figure out the moment the crash occurs.

One solution might be logging:  you could log each routine during the 
quit process to a text file, and the last one written there will be the 
last successful action.

If there are few handlers in play you could add logging to the handlers 
themselves, and if there are many it may be useful to turn on the 
messageMessages global property and have a frontScript trap the 
messageHandled message to do the logging, so you'll have one place to 
handle logging that can easily be disabled once this diagnostic stuff is 
behind you and we've found the root cause.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Dec  9 10:42:11 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 07:42:11 -0800
Subject: Tab buttons wrong
In-Reply-To: <41A2B59A-1FF2-461B-AFBB-03D75F7A23BF@earthednet.org>
References: <AF5BD5EB-31DB-435A-B3B6-9B7FF3813A2B@earthednet.org>
	<41A2B59A-1FF2-461B-AFBB-03D75F7A23BF@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <16046A48-A402-4671-B827-950A6AE4C1DF@earthednet.org>

Looks like I was wrong on this one. In the OSX Preferences window, the active tab is set to a dark grey, while  the inactive tabs are light grey. In Safari, Firefox, and other programs, the active tab is light and the inactive tabs are darker. Weird. Oh well, my bad. The Tabbed control in Livecode follows the way Apple does it now.
Regards,
Bill

On Dec 7, 2014, at 9:11 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:

> BTW, the tab buttons I?m talking about are on the tabbed button control. I know there was discussion about the color of the text on the buttons, but this seems like a big bug to me. The active tab should be lighter, while the inactive tabs are greyed darker.
> 
> Comments before I submit a bug report?
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> On Dec 7, 2014, at 4:14 PM, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Folks:
>> On a Mac, when there are tabs, the active tab is hilited and the inactive tabs are greyed out. I?ve seen postings on this previously and figured the situation was fixed. But, not so in LC V7.0.1(rc3) on Mavericks.
>> 
>> This seems to be a bug that should be fixed. It?s simply backwards from what users expec.
>> Bill
>> 
>> William A. Prothero
>> http://es.earthednet.org/
>> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Dec  9 10:48:12 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 07:48:12 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <54870E54.2060902@fourthworld.com>
References: <2D921F41-812D-46B5-803A-D5BD2E40C03B@earthednet.org>
	<54870E54.2060902@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <13B60954-098B-4615-AFE9-F301D5462662@earthednet.org>

Richard:
There really is no code in the quit button. I just do:

??Method 1 ------
on mouseUp
   quit
end mouseUp

Or:
??Method 2 ------
on mouseUp
   send ?doTheQuit? to me in 0 seconds
end mouseUp

on doTheQuit
   quit
end doTheQuit

I tried closing all substacks. Do I need to close the mainstack first too?

Bill

On Dec 9, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> William Prothero wrote:
> 
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >> Interesting.  Any pending messages at the time quit is invoked?
> >
> > I tried doing ?Lock messages? before the quit, and closing
> > unused stacks, but it didn?t seem to make any difference.
> > Apparently the toolbar menu quit command does some kind of
> > cleanup before it actually quits.
> 
> When I wrote "pending messages" I should have written "pendingMessages", e.g. timers ("send <message> in <time>").
> 
> For an app to successfully quit two conditions must be met:
> 1. All stacks are closed
> 2. All pending messages either complete or are cancelled
> 
> It may be that a timer is causing an unexpected interaction with some other part of the closing routine.
> 
> Of course normally that would only mean the app won't quit, and nothing should ever cause a crash in LiveCode - any crash is by definition a bug that should be reported so it can be prevented from happening in the future.
> 
> The challenge here is to try to figure out the moment the crash occurs.
> 
> One solution might be logging:  you could log each routine during the quit process to a text file, and the last one written there will be the last successful action.
> 
> If there are few handlers in play you could add logging to the handlers themselves, and if there are many it may be useful to turn on the messageMessages global property and have a frontScript trap the messageHandled message to do the logging, so you'll have one place to handle logging that can easily be disabled once this diagnostic stuff is behind you and we've found the root cause.
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Systems
> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
> ____________________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec  9 11:23:56 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:23:56 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <13B60954-098B-4615-AFE9-F301D5462662@earthednet.org>
References: <13B60954-098B-4615-AFE9-F301D5462662@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <5487221C.9080108@fourthworld.com>

William Prothero wrote:
> There really is no code in the quit button. I just do:
>
> ??Method 1 ------
> on mouseUp
>    quit
> end mouseUp
>
> Or:
> ??Method 2 ------
> on mouseUp
>    send ?doTheQuit? to me in 0 seconds
> end mouseUp
>
> on doTheQuit
>    quit
> end doTheQuit
>
> I tried closing all substacks. Do I need to close the mainstack first too?

The quit command should take care of closing the windows for you. 
Normally there should be no need to route a quit command through a 
timer, so to keep diagnostics simple I'd not use Method 2.

The issue here isn't likely with the quit command itself, but with 
something else going on at the moment it's called.

Are you playing any audio or video clips?  Any open Internet 
connections?  Any open files?

To see if there are any pendingMessages, try temporarily modifying your 
Quit button with this:

on mouseUp
   # quit
   answer the pendingMessages
end mouseUp

But if you were using timers you'd probably know it, so I'm disinclined 
to think it's timer-related.

If I were in your position, I'd implement logging using the 
messageMessages and a frontScript.  I occasionally need this sort of 
thing myself, so I just made a quickie version that you can add as a 
substack temporarily while you're figuring out what's going on:

<http://www.fourthworld.net/lc/4wLogger.livecode.zip>

Instructions for using it are included.  I'll be interested to know what 
you find with it.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Dec  9 12:25:36 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 17:25:36 +0000
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <E052C8B5-4FBE-455D-B318-5A975265B72A@verizon.net>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
	<CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>
	<95EE571A-2661-4B92-B825-FFEAC3DDB67A@earthednet.org>
	<E052C8B5-4FBE-455D-B318-5A975265B72A@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <5F8F6368-7E5C-43E7-B1A2-A4FFE78C99AC@iotecdigital.com>

My perennial question is, how do I quit without saving the stack or even asking? There ought to be a ?close without saving? variation.

Bob S


On Dec 7, 2014, at 15:25 , Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net<mailto:coiin at verizon.net>> wrote:

Try this instead:

on mouseup
   quit
end mouseup

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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Dec  9 12:28:54 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 17:28:54 +0000
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <C2A70009-F547-47C5-A492-72295E13E0E3@mac.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<C2A70009-F547-47C5-A492-72295E13E0E3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8420B1C0-843E-48E1-832E-A15E675ECBEE@iotecdigital.com>

If I am not mistaken, Scott at Tactile Media has a product for sliders and counters that can be skinned. He has some pretty cool ones too.

Bob S


On Dec 7, 2014, at 16:30 , Roger Guay <irog at mac.com<mailto:irog at mac.com>> wrote:

Dear List,

sometimes one needs a custom slider for either mobile or desktop.

I made one that can be "skinned" in many ways. It is horizontal only.
Can also be used as progress bar.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec  9 12:39:21 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:39:21 -0600
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <54870E54.2060902@fourthworld.com>
References: <2D921F41-812D-46B5-803A-D5BD2E40C03B@earthednet.org>
	<54870E54.2060902@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7AA305DE-0AC9-4A0A-A64B-0936A5D3B6F0@hyperactivesw.com>

Any open drivers also prevent quitting, or it used to. 

On December 9, 2014 8:59:32 AM CST, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>William Prothero wrote:
>
> > On Dec 8, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>For an app to successfully quit two conditions must be met:
>1. All stacks are closed
>2. All pending messages either complete or are cancelled

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Dec  9 12:42:43 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 09:42:43 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <7AA305DE-0AC9-4A0A-A64B-0936A5D3B6F0@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2D921F41-812D-46B5-803A-D5BD2E40C03B@earthednet.org>
	<54870E54.2060902@fourthworld.com>
	<7AA305DE-0AC9-4A0A-A64B-0936A5D3B6F0@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A103B8D4-7852-435F-A000-5E68B387BDEB@earthednet.org>

Richard:
Got your logger stack. I?m in a huge crunch right now, so I need to just go ahead and delete my quit button, and use the toolbar menu to quit, for a bit. I?m getting ready for a geophysics meeting in San Francisco, then Hawaii until Jan. 1. I?ll try to get to it but got a bunch of things to refine and finish by tomorrow. 

I?ll try to get to it, but have to put it at lower priority for a bit.
Best,
Bill

On Dec 9, 2014, at 9:39 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Any open drivers also prevent quitting, or it used to. 
> 
> On December 9, 2014 8:59:32 AM CST, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>> William Prothero wrote:
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> 
>> For an app to successfully quit two conditions must be met:
>> 1. All stacks are closed
>> 2. All pending messages either complete or are cancelled
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec  9 12:46:47 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:46:47 -0600
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <5F8F6368-7E5C-43E7-B1A2-A4FFE78C99AC@iotecdigital.com>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
	<CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>
	<95EE571A-2661-4B92-B825-FFEAC3DDB67A@earthednet.org>
	<E052C8B5-4FBE-455D-B318-5A975265B72A@verizon.net>
	<5F8F6368-7E5C-43E7-B1A2-A4FFE78C99AC@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <6C87930D-3C83-4BD3-B19F-F46E95B7E8C2@hyperactivesw.com>

That only happens in the IDE,  you can lock messages before quitting. Or, what I usually do from the message box: delete this stack. (Or you can use the menu option to remove from memory.) Then a regular quit doesn't ask. 

On December 9, 2014 11:25:36 AM CST, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>My perennial question is, how do I quit without saving the stack or
>even asking? There ought to be a ?close without saving? variation.
>
>Bob S
>
>
>On Dec 7, 2014, at 15:25 , Colin Holgate
><coiin at verizon.net<mailto:coiin at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>Try this instead:
>
>on mouseup
>   quit
>end mouseup
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 12:59:09 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:59:09 +0200
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
In-Reply-To: <DC2BCA83-79EA-4402-986D-9F2D2CAAA60E@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.1264.1418066526.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<DC2BCA83-79EA-4402-986D-9F2D2CAAA60E@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <5487386D.4080803@gmail.com>

On 08/12/14 22:03, Jim Lambert wrote:
> In earlier versions of LiveCode on a Mac, you could just load a PDF into a Player object.
> Then just set the current time to page through the document and grab screenshots to get images of the pages.
>
> But this doesn?t work anymore.
>
> JimL
> _______________________________________________
>

I just tried that with 7.0.1 rc3 (Linux) and crashed the IDE.

Richmond.



From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Dec  9 13:09:24 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 18:09:24 +0000
Subject: Tab buttons wrong
In-Reply-To: <16046A48-A402-4671-B827-950A6AE4C1DF@earthednet.org>
References: <AF5BD5EB-31DB-435A-B3B6-9B7FF3813A2B@earthednet.org>
	<41A2B59A-1FF2-461B-AFBB-03D75F7A23BF@earthednet.org>
	<16046A48-A402-4671-B827-950A6AE4C1DF@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <AE4E99CC-386C-40BF-8F69-D85714557F16@btinternet.com>

Except when the window is inactive the colours of the tab are not dimmed.

Is it expected in LiveCode that you disable the tabbed control?

All the best

Terry

> On 9 Dec 2014, at 15:42, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> Oh well, my bad. The Tabbed control in Livecode follows the way Apple does it now.



From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Dec  9 13:11:27 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 18:11:27 +0000
Subject: Tab buttons wrong
In-Reply-To: <AE4E99CC-386C-40BF-8F69-D85714557F16@btinternet.com>
References: <AF5BD5EB-31DB-435A-B3B6-9B7FF3813A2B@earthednet.org>
	<41A2B59A-1FF2-461B-AFBB-03D75F7A23BF@earthednet.org>
	<16046A48-A402-4671-B827-950A6AE4C1DF@earthednet.org>
	<AE4E99CC-386C-40BF-8F69-D85714557F16@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <71AFEE79-6CF5-4F9E-92F5-86DB0F588620@btinternet.com>

In addition the text in the button is offset far to much towards the bottom of the tab.

There is a bug report for this one but it has not been incorporated into the last release.


All the best

Terry

> On 9 Dec 2014, at 18:09, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Except when the window is inactive the colours of the tab are not dimmed.



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Dec  9 13:48:09 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 10:48:09 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <6C87930D-3C83-4BD3-B19F-F46E95B7E8C2@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
	<CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>
	<95EE571A-2661-4B92-B825-FFEAC3DDB67A@earthednet.org>
	<E052C8B5-4FBE-455D-B318-5A975265B72A@verizon.net>
	<5F8F6368-7E5C-43E7-B1A2-A4FFE78C99AC@iotecdigital.com>
	<6C87930D-3C83-4BD3-B19F-F46E95B7E8C2@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E4FA64FA-EBB9-43E5-ABDF-8D5D951256C3@tactilemedia.com>

I also use "close this stack" from the message box.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media UX/UI Design

> On Dec 9, 2014, at 9:46 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> That only happens in the IDE,  you can lock messages before quitting. Or, what I usually do from the message box: delete this stack. (Or you can use the menu option to remove from memory.) Then a regular quit doesn't ask. 
> 
>> On December 9, 2014 11:25:36 AM CST, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> My perennial question is, how do I quit without saving the stack or
>> even asking? There ought to be a ?close without saving? variation.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 15:25 , Colin Holgate
>> <coiin at verizon.net<mailto:coiin at verizon.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try this instead:
>> 
>> on mouseup
>>  quit
>> end mouseup
>> 
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From ray at linkit.com  Tue Dec  9 14:22:12 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 16:22:12 -0300
Subject: Convert PDF's to Images
In-Reply-To: <5487386D.4080803@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1264.1418066526.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<DC2BCA83-79EA-4402-986D-9F2D2CAAA60E@netrin.com>
	<5487386D.4080803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54874BE4.8000803@LinkIt.Com>

Just a word of thanks to all who have responded to this thread which I 
started a few days ago.

Richmond - I've got the same crash results on the Mac side.

Roger - your your suggestion is turning out to be promising.  I've 
gotten in touch with Thierry and I may have a Windows solution through 
his work.

I'll post any solutions I find for the Mac.

On 12/9/2014 2:59 PM, Richmond wrote:
> On 08/12/14 22:03, Jim Lambert wrote:
>> In earlier versions of LiveCode on a Mac, you could just load a PDF 
>> into a Player object.
>> Then just set the current time to page through the document and grab 
>> screenshots to get images of the pages.
>>
>> But this doesn?t work anymore.
>>
>> JimL
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>
> I just tried that with 7.0.1 rc3 (Linux) and crashed the IDE.
>
> Richmond.
>
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Dec  9 17:28:52 2014
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:28:52 +1100
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtrV_8xGNdDXSPhL2PVOOGN+KckeLRVCZz0d8=bQoLK6SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOm8aLtWrNiutRzzCzqVuJifbH8OEpvjyBszUvM+=wLzA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtrsOvb3Cz3v8r6o-jtwSyz1Czn1fHxKZUZWoGk5oyCUog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHh+9oB8dm+fdG1UkmTeXEadR=fDxAeech4_0Op30kg3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePYa1Bj-LWV-4anv7kvKKeJ4u5jZboJ_Y10M4VDvLJfTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtppVE6bp_3ViYYCRk5W1o7j35HMKpxxqTbzpWppWzZjoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<30B4A1FF-82C2-4328-A4E9-5CD4728C43B8@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAKCLKtoeN803ar-9ew6CP___eStSFvUaPO7FFSTdEOKEvH8+6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBA3E100-57B8-42B6-B224-5A9B63B2D881@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAKCLKtrV_8xGNdDXSPhL2PVOOGN+KckeLRVCZz0d8=bQoLK6SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C385328F-BEE7-42E3-B65B-2A324CD400D9@sweattechnologies.com>


On 9 Dec 2014, at 1:48 am, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why? I know we don't have detailed documentation on the syntax morphing
> functionality, but why would this be any different than the other examples
> that have been given of how we'll be able to tweak the language? Depending
> on the implementation it might be complex (if there isn't a generic way to
> refer to objects) or simple (if there is), but either way it should at
> least be possible, yes?

Well... I could be wrong but I expect that we will get widgets (a way to create new object types) and then more general extensions to declare command syntax but I'm not expecting to be able to add a property to an existing object. As I said I could be wrong...

--
M E R Goulding 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec  9 18:31:18 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 15:31:18 -0800
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <C385328F-BEE7-42E3-B65B-2A324CD400D9@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <C385328F-BEE7-42E3-B65B-2A324CD400D9@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <54878646.1050307@fourthworld.com>

Monte Goulding wrote:
 > Well... I could be wrong but I expect that we will get widgets (a way
 > to create new object types) and then more general extensions to
 > declare command syntax but I'm not expecting to be able to add a
 > property to an existing object. As I said I could be wrong...

I don't know if v8's Open Language will allow the addition of new 
properties (would be nice), but in this case I think we're safe since 
the request here is arguably more of a function than a property.

After all, the owner of an object isn't something intrinsic to an 
object, but merely incidental to where it happens to be placed at the 
moment.

Given this, Geoff's function seems like a good solution.  Whether it's 
written in fancy v8 syntax or the syntax we have doesn't matter much to 
me personally; it gets the job done.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Dec  9 18:40:26 2014
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:40:26 +1100
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <54878646.1050307@fourthworld.com>
References: <C385328F-BEE7-42E3-B65B-2A324CD400D9@sweattechnologies.com>
	<54878646.1050307@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <359F1C52-2208-4B1A-96C7-939F68B2381A@sweattechnologies.com>


On 10 Dec 2014, at 10:31 am, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Given this, Geoff's function seems like a good solution.  Whether it's written in fancy v8 syntax or the syntax we have doesn't matter much to me personally; it gets the job done.

Yep, I originally said I didn't really know if it were all that worthwhile to actually add it to the engine or as an extension. Script will do for me for the few times I need something like this. Also I wasn't all that sure about adding a property like card owner that in certain circumstances could change depending on the context it's called in. Although we already have that with object names and IDs in shared groups.

Cheers

Monte

--
M E R Goulding 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 22:48:20 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 19:48:20 -0800
Subject: opening stack as modal changes screenMouseLoc?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSF67kU0nRVOgBADQ5tNh9m9F2AgZ4H86NKWpSY4m+1E5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSF67kU0nRVOgBADQ5tNh9m9F2AgZ4H86NKWpSY4m+1E5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFRGVGX8TqkiyJchZrCMU9wZkCPpUjhZ-mNg9+rwL5d1w@mail.gmail.com>

*bump*

Also, this is happening in the ide.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a control stack to pop up as a modal, and use
>
>         set the loc of this stack to the screenMouseLoc
>
> in preOpenStack
>
> If I simply open the stack *not* as modal, it properly appears centered
> on the mouse.
>
> If opening *as*, modal, however, it opens away from that, near the middle
> of the screen.
>
> And when I check the screenMouseLoc each way, I get widely different
> results:  nonmodal gives a correct horizontal of about 1100, while modally
> produces about 400.
>
> Is this behavior correct?  And if so, why???
>
> 7.0.1-rc2 on Mac
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
>



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Dec  9 23:15:45 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 20:15:45 -0800
Subject: opening stack as modal changes screenMouseLoc?
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFRGVGX8TqkiyJchZrCMU9wZkCPpUjhZ-mNg9+rwL5d1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSF67kU0nRVOgBADQ5tNh9m9F2AgZ4H86NKWpSY4m+1E5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFRGVGX8TqkiyJchZrCMU9wZkCPpUjhZ-mNg9+rwL5d1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <850B790E-7A4C-4ABF-91CB-3705690925D2@tactilemedia.com>

I would guess this is happening because the behavior of displaying a modal stack is based on some UI convention of centering modal dialogs on the screen.  The answer dialog behaves this way.

One way to work around this is to use a suspendStack handler in the main stack that opens the model, like this:

on suspendStack
   if  ?myModal" is among the lines of the openStacks then
      set the topLeft of stack ?myModal" to 100,100
   end if
end suspendStack

Upon opening the modal stack, the main stack is suspended and sets the position of the modal before the modal is displayed.  I use this to position the answer dialog when I want to display it in a specific location.

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 


On Dec 9, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> *bump*
> 
> Also, this is happening in the ide.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have a control stack to pop up as a modal, and use
>> 
>>        set the loc of this stack to the screenMouseLoc
>> 
>> in preOpenStack
>> 
>> If I simply open the stack *not* as modal, it properly appears centered
>> on the mouse.
>> 
>> If opening *as*, modal, however, it opens away from that, near the middle
>> of the screen.
>> 
>> And when I check the screenMouseLoc each way, I get widely different
>> results:  nonmodal gives a correct horizontal of about 1100, while modally
>> produces about 400.
>> 
>> Is this behavior correct?  And if so, why???
>> 
>> 7.0.1-rc2 on Mac
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
>> (702) 508-8462
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec 10 00:58:40 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 21:58:40 -0800
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <5B6E8A05-6EBC-4B63-B083-43B45697F8EE@netrin.com>
References: <mailman.1264.1418066526.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<5B6E8A05-6EBC-4B63-B083-43B45697F8EE@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <FCE4E7C0-3F92-4316-B20A-765D10587062@earthednet.org>

Jim,
Great idea! There are soooo many ways to do things in LC.
Bill

On Dec 8, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com> wrote:

> I suggested doMenu because Bill said selecting Quit from the menu worked while a button with ?quit? didn?t.
> 
> But he reports that doesn?t work for him either, so perhaps doMenu doesn?t really 'do menu' under the hood.
> 
> If the Quit accelerator key combination also works (command-Q on Mac) then I?d next try:
> 
>      type ?Q? with commandKey
> 
> But I would not lock messages in any case.
> 
> Jim Lambert
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec 10 01:01:39 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 22:01:39 -0800
Subject: Tab buttons wrong
In-Reply-To: <71AFEE79-6CF5-4F9E-92F5-86DB0F588620@btinternet.com>
References: <AF5BD5EB-31DB-435A-B3B6-9B7FF3813A2B@earthednet.org>
	<41A2B59A-1FF2-461B-AFBB-03D75F7A23BF@earthednet.org>
	<16046A48-A402-4671-B827-950A6AE4C1DF@earthednet.org>
	<AE4E99CC-386C-40BF-8F69-D85714557F16@btinternet.com>
	<71AFEE79-6CF5-4F9E-92F5-86DB0F588620@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CBE8863C-E862-4F31-82D1-AF13D5B845A7@earthednet.org>

It?s very interesting because Safari, Firefox, Excell, most Mac applications have lighter colored tabs for the active tab. The tabs in the Systems Preferences work so the darker tab is the active one. Seems, with Safari at least, Apple is inconsistent.
Bill

On Dec 9, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:

> In addition the text in the button is offset far to much towards the bottom of the tab.
> 
> There is a bug report for this one but it has not been incorporated into the last release.
> 
> 
> All the best
> 
> Terry
> 
>> On 9 Dec 2014, at 18:09, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Except when the window is inactive the colours of the tab are not dimmed.
> 
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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 02:32:08 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 01:32:08 -0600
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <359F1C52-2208-4B1A-96C7-939F68B2381A@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <C385328F-BEE7-42E3-B65B-2A324CD400D9@sweattechnologies.com>
	<54878646.1050307@fourthworld.com>
	<359F1C52-2208-4B1A-96C7-939F68B2381A@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp+rBQM4yzCFsJjrq_Kv6vEUXipYXHYh_QMQ9h1C+-x_g@mail.gmail.com>

It's been a long time since I saw anything on the syntax extension
functionality, but my recollection was that it was supposed to be the
all-singing, all-dancing wonder of the universe -- meaning that if I wanted
to use a C-like dot-notation (I don't, usually) that would be easy to
build. And that basically I'd be able to write that up as a language
module, and then share it with other dot-notation fans, who could just drop
it in place and go to work. All of which makes me think that if I want to
implement a grandchildControlIDs property (I don't), I'll be able to.

Is there a more-recent-and-detailed spec that confirms or denies this? I'm
(non)patiently awaiting the ability to create inline if statements, default
parameter values, and multiple assignments.

put (if x = y then 6 else 7) into z
function getColumn pData, rowDel=cr, colDel=tab
put 3 into x into y

But maybe that's just my fantasy.

gc

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>
wrote:

>
> On 10 Dec 2014, at 10:31 am, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Given this, Geoff's function seems like a good solution.  Whether it's
> written in fancy v8 syntax or the syntax we have doesn't matter much to me
> personally; it gets the job done.
>
> Yep, I originally said I didn't really know if it were all that worthwhile
> to actually add it to the engine or as an extension. Script will do for me
> for the few times I need something like this. Also I wasn't all that sure
> about adding a property like card owner that in certain circumstances could
> change depending on the context it's called in. Although we already have
> that with object names and IDs in shared groups.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
>
> --
> M E R Goulding
> Software development services
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> mergExt - There's an external for that!
>
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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Wed Dec 10 02:40:41 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 07:40:41 +0000
Subject: Tab buttons wrong
In-Reply-To: <CBE8863C-E862-4F31-82D1-AF13D5B845A7@earthednet.org>
References: <AF5BD5EB-31DB-435A-B3B6-9B7FF3813A2B@earthednet.org>
	<41A2B59A-1FF2-461B-AFBB-03D75F7A23BF@earthednet.org>
	<16046A48-A402-4671-B827-950A6AE4C1DF@earthednet.org>
	<AE4E99CC-386C-40BF-8F69-D85714557F16@btinternet.com>
	<71AFEE79-6CF5-4F9E-92F5-86DB0F588620@btinternet.com>
	<CBE8863C-E862-4F31-82D1-AF13D5B845A7@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <EBDC3121-0ECF-4434-8515-7DD7E1BBEEA8@btinternet.com>

I am getting confused with "darker tab is the active one?.

In system preferences/Desktop & Screen Saver as an example.

If you click on the Screen Saver Tab:

1. The text of the Screen Saver Tab is white and it?s background is blue.
2. The text of the Desktop Tab is black and it?s background is white.

If you place the system preferences behind another window then:

1. The text of the Screen Saver Tab is black and it?s background is dark grey.
2. The text of the Desktop Tab is black and it?s background is white.

This is on Yosemite 10.10.1

There are no tab controls in the preferences of Safari.
If you are referring to Safari?s tabs for web pages then they are not the same controls as the tabbed control that LiveCode are failing to implement correctly.

Tab controls in the preferences of Apple Mail work as above.

Tab controls in Xojo work as above.

Tab controls in the Date & Time System Preferences work as above.

Apple appear to be consistent to me.



All the best

Terry




> On 10 Dec 2014, at 06:01, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
> 
> The tabs in the Systems Preferences work so the darker tab is the active one. Seems, with Safari at least, Apple is inconsistent.



From alanstenhouse at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 10 05:21:52 2014
From: alanstenhouse at hotmail.com (Alan Stenhouse)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:21:52 +0100
Subject: mobilePickMedia and mobilePlaySoundOnChannel question
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP9878060A936B3A8C8469DAA5620@phx.gbl>

I'm attempting to play some music on iPad after selecting it with mobilePickMedia.

Selecting it is fine and returns a line in the form:

ipod-library://item/item.mp3?id=-3639534672740601105

Now, later on I try to play this using mobilePlaySoundOnChannel but I get the error:

"could not play sound"

Anyone have a good idea why this is and if I need to somehow provide a different path or other for this command? The examples given in the docs use the "play" command but then there is this note below:

"Note: On iOS, mobilePickMedia returns references to the iTunes data store on the iOS device. These media references can only be played with the mobilePlaySoundOnChannel command."


Any ideas/pointers?

Thanks in advance!

Alan


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 07:22:50 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:22:50 +0200
Subject: I Love my Colour Picker
Message-ID: <54883B1A.6030903@gmail.com>

Here: 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0

Richmond.



From irog at mac.com  Wed Dec 10 08:33:26 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 05:33:26 -0800
Subject: I Love my Colour Picker
In-Reply-To: <54883B1A.6030903@gmail.com>
References: <54883B1A.6030903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1749B53C-F95B-4D99-9A7F-58FB674B83DF@mac.com>

If you mean SuperPick.Livecode, I like it too. I was working in a similar vein with more of Crayon Name orientation, since I tend to use the Crayon Palette. Have you tried putting everything in the scrollBarDrag handler instead of the MouseUp handler? Works great on my machine.

Roger


> On Dec 10, 2014, at 4:22 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec 10 09:47:35 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 06:47:35 -0800
Subject: Tab buttons wrong
In-Reply-To: <EBDC3121-0ECF-4434-8515-7DD7E1BBEEA8@btinternet.com>
References: <AF5BD5EB-31DB-435A-B3B6-9B7FF3813A2B@earthednet.org>
	<41A2B59A-1FF2-461B-AFBB-03D75F7A23BF@earthednet.org>
	<16046A48-A402-4671-B827-950A6AE4C1DF@earthednet.org>
	<AE4E99CC-386C-40BF-8F69-D85714557F16@btinternet.com>
	<71AFEE79-6CF5-4F9E-92F5-86DB0F588620@btinternet.com>
	<CBE8863C-E862-4F31-82D1-AF13D5B845A7@earthednet.org>
	<EBDC3121-0ECF-4434-8515-7DD7E1BBEEA8@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <C0A54B3A-3FFF-4F5E-B554-7E353DC29BB6@earthednet.org>

What I meant to note is that in the various ?Preferences? panels that have tabs, like the ?Sounds? panel (I?m still on Mavericks), the currently selected tab (what I called the ?active tab?) is dark and the unselected tabs are white, or lighter in color. Whereas on Safari (an Apple app also) and other applications like Firefox and Excel the tabs hilite the opposite. 

And, I guess I may be lumping the tabs in apps like Safari into the same category as the other tabbed interface that Mac uses, but silly me, they seem to perform the same functions so I marvel that the convention is opposite.

I?m not suggesting that Livecode respond to this in any way. I guess there could be an enhancement request, but the tabs do look different in the two situations, so??.

Regards,
Bill


On Dec 9, 2014, at 11:40 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:

> I am getting confused with "darker tab is the active one?.
> 
> In system preferences/Desktop & Screen Saver as an example.
> 
> If you click on the Screen Saver Tab:
> 
> 1. The text of the Screen Saver Tab is white and it?s background is blue.
> 2. The text of the Desktop Tab is black and it?s background is white.
> 
> If you place the system preferences behind another window then:
> 
> 1. The text of the Screen Saver Tab is black and it?s background is dark grey.
> 2. The text of the Desktop Tab is black and it?s background is white.
> 
> This is on Yosemite 10.10.1
> 
> There are no tab controls in the preferences of Safari.
> If you are referring to Safari?s tabs for web pages then they are not the same controls as the tabbed control that LiveCode are failing to implement correctly.
> 
> Tab controls in the preferences of Apple Mail work as above.
> 
> Tab controls in Xojo work as above.
> 
> Tab controls in the Date & Time System Preferences work as above.
> 
> Apple appear to be consistent to me.
> 
> 
> 
> All the best
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Dec 2014, at 06:01, William Prothero <prothero at earthednet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The tabs in the Systems Preferences work so the darker tab is the active one. Seems, with Safari at least, Apple is inconsistent.
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 10:08:00 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:08:00 +0200
Subject: I Love my Colour Picker
In-Reply-To: <1749B53C-F95B-4D99-9A7F-58FB674B83DF@mac.com>
References: <54883B1A.6030903@gmail.com>
	<1749B53C-F95B-4D99-9A7F-58FB674B83DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <548861D0.1080608@gmail.com>

On 10/12/14 15:33, Roger Guay wrote:
> If you mean SuperPick.Livecode, I like it too. I was working in a similar vein with more of Crayon Name orientation, since I tend to use the Crayon Palette. Have you tried putting everything in the scrollBarDrag handler instead of the MouseUp handler? Works great on my machine.
>
> Roger
>
>
>

I see that Yosemite's crayons have been squashed and gone all flat: poo!

Just building in some crayons into my SuperPick.Livecode.

Richmond.



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 10:40:39 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:40:39 -0600
Subject: I Love my Colour Picker
In-Reply-To: <548861D0.1080608@gmail.com>
References: <54883B1A.6030903@gmail.com>
	<1749B53C-F95B-4D99-9A7F-58FB674B83DF@mac.com>
	<548861D0.1080608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtr=kxBZEe1U-ruFx6k7uMcUH4kLDOMhBuvBNQO2XSX7tQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone here remember that way back when (maybe OS 7) if you set your Mac's
calendar far in the future, maybe 2020, the crayon picker would change so
the crayons' tips were worn down?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 10/12/14 15:33, Roger Guay wrote:
>
>> If you mean SuperPick.Livecode, I like it too. I was working in a similar
>> vein with more of Crayon Name orientation, since I tend to use the Crayon
>> Palette. Have you tried putting everything in the scrollBarDrag handler
>> instead of the MouseUp handler? Works great on my machine.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
> I see that Yosemite's crayons have been squashed and gone all flat: poo!
>
> Just building in some crayons into my SuperPick.Livecode.
>
>
> Richmond.
>
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From irog at mac.com  Wed Dec 10 11:26:54 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 08:26:54 -0800
Subject: I Love my Colour Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr=kxBZEe1U-ruFx6k7uMcUH4kLDOMhBuvBNQO2XSX7tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54883B1A.6030903@gmail.com>
	<1749B53C-F95B-4D99-9A7F-58FB674B83DF@mac.com>
	<548861D0.1080608@gmail.com>
	<CAKCLKtr=kxBZEe1U-ruFx6k7uMcUH4kLDOMhBuvBNQO2XSX7tQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <799AC8D4-0001-40E4-852E-74A722FA8993@mac.com>

That?s cute. I didn?t know that, but in fact, they?ve been worn flat!


> On Dec 10, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone here remember that way back when (maybe OS 7) if you set your Mac's
> calendar far in the future, maybe 2020, the crayon picker would change so
> the crayons' tips were worn down?
> 
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/12/14 15:33, Roger Guay wrote:
>> 
>>> If you mean SuperPick.Livecode, I like it too. I was working in a similar
>>> vein with more of Crayon Name orientation, since I tend to use the Crayon
>>> Palette. Have you tried putting everything in the scrollBarDrag handler
>>> instead of the MouseUp handler? Works great on my machine.
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> I see that Yosemite's crayons have been squashed and gone all flat: poo!
>> 
>> Just building in some crayons into my SuperPick.Livecode.
>> 
>> 
>> Richmond.
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 10 12:08:43 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:08:43 +0000
Subject: raiseWindows
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePAKJpV1WxbfPgUKx5f+81OOZG3_tuNB4Q7a56f=cGF_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOApkTLduFGeW=_VN8ogU0FJ21baRBPC48A9ozKQciuZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<91786527-A828-4B2D-B515-C68230635B4D@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAGDT7ePAKJpV1WxbfPgUKx5f+81OOZG3_tuNB4Q7a56f=cGF_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E91AEF51-FF65-44E7-9A05-47656957D967@iotecdigital.com>

THAT is very useful. I will have to go back and rethink some things. 

Bob S


> On Dec 7, 2014, at 18:30 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Scott, hidePalettes=false did the trick.  Looks like raisePalettes
> only affects how palettes are displayed in relation to other windows within
> LC.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
>> There?s the raisePalettes property, as well as the hidePalettes property.
>> Perhaps some combination of the two.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The raiseWindows global doesn't seem to work for palette stacks.  If I
>>> switch to another program, my other LC windows stay visible but any
>>> palettes don't.
>>> 
>>> Is there some other property that makes palettes behave in the same way
>> as
>>> non-palettes when raiseWindows is true?
>>> 
>>> LC 6.6.2/OSX 10.7.4
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 10 12:17:27 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:17:27 +0000
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <5484356B.4030304@gmail.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com> <000401d00cdf$9ad6c0b0$d0844210$@net>
	<67871C2B-E758-4701-9F1B-15529E8BD8F2@canelasoftware.com>
	<D0A22263.EDB0%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
	<BA7D7942-0446-4749-B824-93AAB4975E66@canelasoftware.com>
	<1417440470820-4686387.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<4C4BC8A6-290D-4B03-9DF8-8B1C69C9B6D7@mac.com>
	<F38A4E12-F92A-489A-A5A0-04D49B764148@mac.com>
	<5484356B.4030304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20DF749B-F795-4BF8-B196-10822E693EDA@iotecdigital.com>

By that reasoning, Livecode should recreate all the API?s Apple provides, rolling their own. And then we will get to gripe when they don?t work anymore after updating our OS. C?mon guys. For better or worse, ALL OS developers have to continue to innovate. If Apple?s OS troubles you, you can always use Win 8.x where you have to relearn where everything is, or Linux and then deal with piecing together all the components necessary for your app to work on every workstation that uses it. <sigh>

Bob S


> On Dec 7, 2014, at 03:09 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 07/12/14 12:44, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> How much functionality do you want in a color picker? If you just want to allow a user to pick from a fixed set of colours, it?s easy to grow your own - cross-platform too. But of course that?s just a small subset of an OS?s picker.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
> 
> What I do not understand is why RunRev decided that Livecode should leverage
> an operating system's built-in colour picker rather than Livecode have its own
> colour picker as Metacard did.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 10 12:18:44 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:18:44 +0000
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <5485DFF0.1060306@LinkIt.Com>
References: <mailman.1188.1418016607.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<FCD6EAB0-5684-464B-91D9-4AD405B2BC1D@netrin.com>
	<5485DFF0.1060306@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <BDCF76CE-E42D-479D-9748-80AFD5A895B0@iotecdigital.com>

Are you saying locking messages before quitting prevents the Save dialog from presenting? I didn?t know that. 

Bob S


> On Dec 8, 2014, at 09:29 , Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
> 
> I just issue the command "quit".  You might consider saving first or, if you don't want any interruptions, locking messages first.
> 


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 10 12:21:00 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:21:00 +0000
Subject: How to Quit with a button
In-Reply-To: <6C87930D-3C83-4BD3-B19F-F46E95B7E8C2@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <18A67972-6AEF-4AD9-93D1-A78EACCCB93F@earthednet.org>
	<CAHg3tG8zOEYTvV5U8a1-oteup6h-cZ8DbrpT1c-mq74-fqTNFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54835F28.8050806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9CA1C8EB-2C6E-469A-84E3-2794E26D9DEF@earthednet.org>
	<95EE571A-2661-4B92-B825-FFEAC3DDB67A@earthednet.org>
	<E052C8B5-4FBE-455D-B318-5A975265B72A@verizon.net>
	<5F8F6368-7E5C-43E7-B1A2-A4FFE78C99AC@iotecdigital.com>
	<6C87930D-3C83-4BD3-B19F-F46E95B7E8C2@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <51A243A6-8902-4888-9E55-217FFA79FD8B@iotecdigital.com>

Sweet!

Bob S


> On Dec 9, 2014, at 09:46 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> That only happens in the IDE,  you can lock messages before quitting. Or, what I usually do from the message box: delete this stack. (Or you can use the menu option to remove from memory.) Then a regular quit doesn't ask. 
> 
> On December 9, 2014 11:25:36 AM CST, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> My perennial question is, how do I quit without saving the stack or
>> even asking? There ought to be a ?close without saving? variation.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2014, at 15:25 , Colin Holgate
>> <coiin at verizon.net<mailto:coiin at verizon.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try this instead:
>> 
>> on mouseup
>>  quit
>> end mouseup
>> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 10 13:07:16 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:07:16 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <20DF749B-F795-4BF8-B196-10822E693EDA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <20DF749B-F795-4BF8-B196-10822E693EDA@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <54888BD4.6090008@fourthworld.com>

Bob Sneidar wrote:
 > By that reasoning, Livecode should recreate all the API?s Apple
 > provides, rolling their own.

In a sense, that's what LiveCode opens up for us with Open Language, a 
chance to use OS APIs directly.

And smartly, if we choose to use APIs Apple later deprecates, it's up to 
us rather than RunRev to update our scripts to conform with Apple's 
policy-du-jour.


 > For better or worse, ALL OS developers have to continue to innovate.
 > If Apple?s OS troubles you, you can always use Win 8.x where you have
 > to relearn where everything is, or Linux and then deal with piecing
 > together all the components necessary for your app to work on every
 > workstation that uses it. <sigh>

Piece together?  You should stop using Arch and switch to Ubuntu, Mint, 
or Fedora.

  :)

(that's probably only funny to Mark Wieder)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 10 13:16:06 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:16:06 -0800
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp+rBQM4yzCFsJjrq_Kv6vEUXipYXHYh_QMQ9h1C+-x_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp+rBQM4yzCFsJjrq_Kv6vEUXipYXHYh_QMQ9h1C+-x_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54888DE6.3040107@fourthworld.com>

Geoff Canyon wrote:

> It's been a long time since I saw anything on the syntax extension
> functionality, but my recollection was that it was supposed to be the
> all-singing, all-dancing wonder of the universe -- meaning that if I wanted
> to use a C-like dot-notation (I don't, usually) that would be easy to
> build. And that basically I'd be able to write that up as a language
> module, and then share it with other dot-notation fans, who could just drop
> it in place and go to work. All of which makes me think that if I want to
> implement a grandchildControlIDs property (I don't), I'll be able to.

I've seen many posts here expressing excitement for the prospect of 
using LiveCode to invent entirely new languages, and while that may be 
possible with Open Language I don't believe that's OL's purpose.

The main goal of OL is two-fold:  to provide OS API access, and to allow 
custom components (libraries, widgets, etc.) to be integrated as 
smoothly in usage as engine-native routines and objects.

Both of these serve an even bigger goal, one quite selfish of the RunRev 
team but which happens to benefit all of us along the way:

Right now most of what they do has to be done in C++, while most of what 
we do we get to do in LiveCode.   Once OL is available, the core dev 
team gets to spend more time doing development in LiveCode itself, 
meaning that the stuff they need to do gets into our hands faster, and 
along the way there's a wide world of new things we can do as well.


> Is there a more-recent-and-detailed spec that confirms or denies this? I'm
> (non)patiently awaiting the ability to create inline if statements, default
> parameter values, and multiple assignments.

I've been pestering Ben and Kevin to provide more materials, and indeed 
they're working on it as they prep an early preview build for release 
within a few weeks.

In the meantime, the best info on this new set of initiatives is in the 
video Kevin posted to the blog a few weeks ago:
<http://livecode.com/blog/2014/07/08/the-next-generation-widgets-themes/>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 14:12:17 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:12:17 +0200
Subject: I Love my Colour Picker
In-Reply-To: <1749B53C-F95B-4D99-9A7F-58FB674B83DF@mac.com>
References: <54883B1A.6030903@gmail.com>
	<1749B53C-F95B-4D99-9A7F-58FB674B83DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <54889B11.9080200@gmail.com>

New version now available.

If anybody asks: YES: I ripped-off Apple's Crayon Colour picker.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87s ... C5ORa?dl=0 
<https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0>

File: superpick.livecode.zip

I was careful to rip-off the images from my G5 iMac's Mac OS 10.5.8 
installation
so I didn't end up with the "flat horrors" now on offer in Mac Yosemite.

If you feel a "desperate urge" to craft your own crayon picker: don't, 
steal mine: it took hours of extremely tedious work,
and you would be silly to repeat it unnecessarily!

Is this what is called "decompiling" ?

I don't think so: all I did was lift the crayon images from: 
System/Library/ColorPickers/NSColorPickerCrayon.colorPicker

then separate each 'crayon' into individual PNG images with transparent 
backgrounds using GIMP.

Then layer the things in Livecode and code each one individually.

Richmond.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 14:14:14 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:14:14 +0200
Subject: I Love my Colour Picker
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtr=kxBZEe1U-ruFx6k7uMcUH4kLDOMhBuvBNQO2XSX7tQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54883B1A.6030903@gmail.com>	<1749B53C-F95B-4D99-9A7F-58FB674B83DF@mac.com>	<548861D0.1080608@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54889B86.2080909@gmail.com>

On 10/12/14 17:40, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> Anyone here remember that way back when (maybe OS 7) if you set your Mac's
> calendar far in the future, maybe 2020, the crayon picker would change so
> the crayons' tips were worn down?
>

After what I just did:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0

my crayon tips are worn down!

Richmond.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 14:17:42 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:17:42 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <20DF749B-F795-4BF8-B196-10822E693EDA@iotecdigital.com>
References: <547B4C4B.1000105@gmail.com>
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On 10/12/14 19:17, Bob Sneidar wrote:
> By that reasoning, Livecode should recreate all the API?s Apple provides, rolling their own. And then we will get to gripe when they don?t work anymore after updating our OS. C?mon guys. For better or worse, ALL OS developers have to continue to innovate. If Apple?s OS troubles you, you can always use Win 8.x where you have to relearn where everything is, or Linux and then deal with piecing together all the components necessary for your app to work on every workstation that uses it. <sigh>
>
> Bob S
>
>

Perhaps . . . Livecode (or its community, or its "community" [whatever]) 
should recreate all APIs (what are you doing shoving
an apostrophes in there?) that differ cross-platform to that the 
programmer has a uniform experience when working . . .

I've just knocked something together: 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0

It didn't stretch my brain overly much . . .

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 14:25:35 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:25:35 +0200
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <54888BD4.6090008@fourthworld.com>
References: <20DF749B-F795-4BF8-B196-10822E693EDA@iotecdigital.com>
	<54888BD4.6090008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <54889E2F.7000408@gmail.com>

On 10/12/14 20:07, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> > By that reasoning, Livecode should recreate all the API?s Apple
> > provides, rolling their own.
>
> In a sense, that's what LiveCode opens up for us with Open Language, a 
> chance to use OS APIs directly.
>
> And smartly, if we choose to use APIs Apple later deprecates, it's up 
> to us rather than RunRev to update our scripts to conform with Apple's 
> policy-du-jour.

This is why it might not be a bad thing if Livecode can roll its own 
wherever possible so that Apple's, Microsoft's or Slugworth's
policy-du-moment doesn't f**k up our work.

>
>
> > For better or worse, ALL OS developers have to continue to innovate.
> > If Apple?s OS troubles you, you can always use Win 8.x where you have
> > to relearn where everything is, or Linux and then deal with piecing
> > together all the components necessary for your app to work on every
> > workstation that uses it. <sigh>
>
> Piece together?  You should stop using Arch and switch to Ubuntu, 
> Mint, or Fedora.
>
>  :)
>
> (that's probably only funny to Mark Wieder)

Bl**dy hilarious to the "other" Linux user out here . . .

"Aksherly" . . . if one believes the murmurs on the Linux grapevine Arch 
is the "coming-man"

while Ubuntu might be best described as "the coming-man already gone" as 
there is a slight feeling
that Slugworth and Co. have got a bit too arrogant and stopped listening 
to their installed base.

I am currently doing reasonably well with Ubuntu Studio 14.10 as it uses 
XFCE without all sorts
of funninesses that seem to crop up with Xubuntu, and don't have the 
faux Windows 8 kiddy-kit
of Ubuntu [or is it Windows 8 that has the faux Ubuntu kiddy-kit?].

Richmond.






From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 10 14:53:55 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 11:53:55 -0800
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <54889E2F.7000408@gmail.com>
References: <54889E2F.7000408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5488A4D3.9050109@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

 > On 10/12/14 20:07, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> And smartly, if we choose to use APIs Apple later deprecates,
 >> it's up to us rather than RunRev to update our scripts to
 >> conform with Apple's policy-du-jour.
 >
 > This is why it might not be a bad thing if Livecode can roll its own
 > wherever possible so that Apple's, Microsoft's or Slugworth's
 > policy-du-moment doesn't f**k up our work.

What we have now is sort of a best-of-both-worlds:

Where consistency with the rest of the OS is important, we have hooks in 
the engine to the OS-supplied color-picker.

And where we have liberty to take liberties from the consistency, as 
you've shown we can make a custom color picker just about any way we want.


 >> Piece together?  You should stop using Arch and switch to Ubuntu,
 >> Mint, or Fedora.
 >>
 >>  :)
 >>
 >> (that's probably only funny to Mark Wieder)
 >
 > Bl**dy hilarious to the "other" Linux user out here . . .

Glad someone enjoyed that. :)


 > "Aksherly" . . . if one believes the murmurs on the Linux grapevine
 > Arch is the "coming-man" while Ubuntu might be best described as
 > "the coming-man already gone" as there is a slight feeling that
 > Slugworth and Co. have got a bit too arrogant and stopped listening
 > to their installed base.

Having participated in some long discussions on the Ubuntu Community 
List recently, it seems the scope of discontent is varying in both 
content and, dare I say it, merit.

Canonical have made their own goals and priorities transparently clear. 
  They're working on a truly Third Platform family of systems, so things 
like Unity and Mir are solutions relevant to that goal which simply 
aren't being addressed by projects with different goals.

But the beauty of Linux, and open source in general, is that everyone 
can have exactly what they want.  There's nothing requiring anyone to 
work on any project that doesn't reflect their own personal preferences.

It's Linux - there are hundreds of distros, dozens of desktop 
environments, all of which can be mixed and matched in all sorts of ways 
if any single one of them isn't reflective of whatever specific things 
one might want.

With so many free software projects out there, it should be easy for 
everyone to have exactly what they want:  If CLAs are a problem just 
move upstream and contribute to Debian.  If Unity makes your skin crawl 
(though I rather like it) the folks at Gnome could use a hand and are 
doing some excellent work, as are the KDE folks.  If Upstart seems too 
limited then work on init.d (though to their credit Canonical ditched 
their investment in Upstart during the voting process that favored 
init.d, even as they get no credit for being team players and as init.d 
faces legitimate criticism of scope overreach).

To be frank, more than a few of the blog posts I've read are from people 
who seem to believe that open source means telling other developers what 
to work on, rather than just choosing to work on something themselves 
that reflects their personal interests and goals.

I've argued with Mr. Shuttleworth myself on a blog comment space or two. 
  I don't always agree with him, but I do agree with the larger goals of 
the project, and find Canonical very supportive of contributions that 
offer actionable design alternatives.


 > I am currently doing reasonably well with Ubuntu Studio 14.10 as
 > it uses XFCE without all sorts of funninesses that seem to crop
 > up with Xubuntu, and don't have the faux Windows 8 kiddy-kit
 > of Ubuntu [or is it Windows 8 that has the faux Ubuntu kiddy-kit?].

There must be a humor there more obscure than my own.  I use and like 
both Win 8 and Ubuntu, but see very little similarity between them 
beyond perhaps both having overlapping windows and a pointer.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Dec 10 15:06:51 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:06:51 -0800
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp+rBQM4yzCFsJjrq_Kv6vEUXipYXHYh_QMQ9h1C+-x_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C385328F-BEE7-42E3-B65B-2A324CD400D9@sweattechnologies.com>
	<54878646.1050307@fourthworld.com>
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On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a more-recent-and-detailed spec that confirms or denies this? I'm
> (non)patiently awaiting the ability to create inline if statements, default
> parameter values, and multiple assignments.
>
> put (if x = y then 6 else 7) into z
> function getColumn pData, rowDel=cr, colDel=tab
> put 3 into x into y
>
> But maybe that's just my fantasy.
>

I'll join you in that fantasy - like both those ideas.

Pete
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Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 10 15:56:27 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:56:27 +0000
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp+rBQM4yzCFsJjrq_Kv6vEUXipYXHYh_QMQ9h1C+-x_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C385328F-BEE7-42E3-B65B-2A324CD400D9@sweattechnologies.com>	<54878646.1050307@fourthworld.com>	<359F1C52-2208-4B1A-96C7-939F68B2381A@sweattechnologies.com>
	<CAKCLKtp+rBQM4yzCFsJjrq_Kv6vEUXipYXHYh_QMQ9h1C+-x_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5488B37B.7090306@tweedly.net>

On 10/12/2014 07:32, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>
> Is there a more-recent-and-detailed spec that confirms or denies this? I'm
> (non)patiently awaiting the ability to create inline if statements, default
> parameter values, and multiple assignments.
>
> put (if x = y then 6 else 7) into z
> function getColumn pData, rowDel=cr, colDel=tab
> put 3 into x into y
>
> But maybe that's just my fantasy.
>
Good fantasies :-)

My favourite fantasy along these lines is named parameter instances (is 
there already a better name??) ...

function myFunc pData, pSize=4, pLength=12, pColour="red", 
pAlign="left", .....

called as
   put myFunc(myData, pLength=4) into tData

-- Alex.



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 16:12:38 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:12:38 -0600
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <54888DE6.3040107@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp+rBQM4yzCFsJjrq_Kv6vEUXipYXHYh_QMQ9h1C+-x_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<54888DE6.3040107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqmdnhAUM5NouLYKo+JZ8pG4DnzG72ybQ39QKS+DzhQNg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> The main goal of OL is two-fold:  to provide OS API access, and to allow
> custom components (libraries, widgets, etc.) to be integrated as smoothly
> in usage as engine-native routines and objects.


I don't remember it being limited to that. I wish the original blog entry
at new language plugins
<http://blog.runrev.com/blog/bid/265511/Open-Language> were either still in
place, or available through archive.org.

It isn't, so all I have to go on is my memory, but I remember being very
excited about  open language because one of my main concerns about LC is
that the language itself has stagnated. Ask an LC developer what makes it
so expressive and efficient and they might point to URL syntax (~10 years
old) or repeat-for-each (~20 years old) or chunk syntax (pre-dates
metacard).

I'm confident there is even more powerful english-like abstraction out
there that we haven't discovered because we're all used to doing <whatever>
the old way. Further, there are many syntactic constructions already
available in other languages that we could pull in to LC easily if we had
the ability to extend the syntax.

That's what I want, and that's what I thought we were getting. Maybe I'm
misremembering.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 10 16:50:17 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:50:17 -0800
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqmdnhAUM5NouLYKo+JZ8pG4DnzG72ybQ39QKS+DzhQNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqmdnhAUM5NouLYKo+JZ8pG4DnzG72ybQ39QKS+DzhQNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5488C019.2050203@fourthworld.com>

Geoff Canyon wrote:

 > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >> The main goal of OL is two-fold:  to provide OS API access, and
 >> to allow custom components (libraries, widgets, etc.) to be
 >> integrated as smoothly in usage as engine-native routines and
 >> objects.
 >
 > I don't remember it being limited to that. I wish the original blog
 > entry at new language plugins
 > <http://blog.runrev.com/blog/bid/265511/Open-Language> were either
 > still in place, or available through archive.org.
 >
 > It isn't, so all I have to go on is my memory, but I remember being
 > very excited about  open language because one of my main concerns
 > about LC is that the language itself has stagnated. Ask an LC
 > developer what makes it so expressive and efficient and they might
 > point to URL syntax (~10 years old) or repeat-for-each (~20 years
 > old) or chunk syntax (pre-dates metacard).

If longevity of language features is inversely proportionate to their 
value, C must be a total waste of time. :)


 > I'm confident there is even more powerful english-like abstraction out
 > there that we haven't discovered because we're all used to doing
 > <whatever> the old way. Further, there are many syntactic
 > constructions already available in other languages that we could pull
 > in to LC easily if we had the ability to extend the syntax.

I'd vote for everything Robert Cailliau wants to do.  He shared your 
adventurous spirit for language evolution, and like you has a lot of 
great ideas.


 > That's what I want, and that's what I thought we were getting.
 > Maybe I'm misremembering.

Or I am.  I tend not to care too much about syntax nuance at this point. 
My situation is like Maslow's hierarchy of needs:  until I can simply 
play a video from a given starting point on Windows and Linux I don't 
really have much mental bandwidth for the flavor of the syntax I might 
use to not be able to do that. :)

But that's just me.

Whether or not Open Language is designed to allow complete dynamic 
transformation of language fundamentals, I would encourage pursuit of 
obviously-useful things like named parameters (and Cailliau's idea of 
named loops as well), and anything else that seems worth pursuing.

In the here-and-now, I share the general sentiment that more info on 
Open Language is overdue.

Ben, are you reading this?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 17:19:14 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:19:14 -0600
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <5488C019.2050203@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqmdnhAUM5NouLYKo+JZ8pG4DnzG72ybQ39QKS+DzhQNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5488C019.2050203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqPsphdaW9MuADRpbNGJW8iP2iySzwoUVk_VJEJg6qHXg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:

> If longevity of language features is inversely proportionate to their
> value, C must be a total waste of time. :)
>

Ha -- of course I'm not suggesting that; anyone who wants to take away
repeat for each or URL syntax will have to fight me for them. I just think
there are so many more opportunities.

Basically any time a significant number of developers are expressing a
single concept in more than one line, that's an opportunity to create a
simpler, more powerful syntax. You know I could list hundreds of
possibilities, and the truth is that for every one of them, someone would
say "you want to do *what*?!" But if I'm clever, at least a few people
would say, "I'm tired of typing so much, that sounds awesome."

I can never post about this without throwing out a suggestion. How about
making item take an argument?

put item("|") 2 to 3 of item(";") 2 of
"test|this|thing;one|more|string|here;final|string"

puts "more|string"


From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Dec 10 17:40:23 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:40:23 -0800
Subject: Disabling effective innerShadow
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOr76n-huumaAm87a18XyG1qR0A4rAt4kO4CqZQd_OVjA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a group that has its innerShadow property set.  Within it are two
rectangles that do not have their innerShadow property set but I can see an
innerShadow on them, presumably because they are inheriting it from the
containing rectangle.

I want to get rid of the innerShadow on the rectangles and have tried
setting their innershadow property to empty and also to "none" but it still
shows.

How can I get rid of the rectangles' innerShadow?

Pete
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Dec 10 18:08:30 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:08:30 -0800
Subject: Disabling effective innerShadow
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOr76n-huumaAm87a18XyG1qR0A4rAt4kO4CqZQd_OVjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOr76n-huumaAm87a18XyG1qR0A4rAt4kO4CqZQd_OVjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10B5B5F5-ACAD-49DA-8ECC-097E4D6FEAE0@tactilemedia.com>

I might be wrong, but I don?t think you can, as described. Applying the effect to a group will cause the effect to appear on everything in the group, if there?s nothing else in the group that?s larger than the two rectangles.  If you have empty space surrounding the two rectangles, you might be able to apply the effect to a larger rectangle object within the group, instead of the group itself.

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

On Dec 10, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I have a group that has its innerShadow property set.  Within it are two
> rectangles that do not have their innerShadow property set but I can see an
> innerShadow on them, presumably because they are inheriting it from the
> containing rectangle.
> 
> I want to get rid of the innerShadow on the rectangles and have tried
> setting their innershadow property to empty and also to "none" but it still
> shows.
> 
> How can I get rid of the rectangles' innerShadow?
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Wed Dec 10 18:08:37 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:08:37 -0800
Subject: Disabling effective innerShadow
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOr76n-huumaAm87a18XyG1qR0A4rAt4kO4CqZQd_OVjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOr76n-huumaAm87a18XyG1qR0A4rAt4kO4CqZQd_OVjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72C82370-2463-4434-97C8-84C5A83BD49A@canelasoftware.com>

Pete,

Try setting the opaque property of the parent group to true.

- Eric

On Dec 10, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I have a group that has its innerShadow property set.  Within it are two
> rectangles that do not have their innerShadow property set but I can see an
> innerShadow on them, presumably because they are inheriting it from the
> containing rectangle.
> 
> I want to get rid of the innerShadow on the rectangles and have tried
> setting their innershadow property to empty and also to "none" but it still
> shows.
> 
> How can I get rid of the rectangles' innerShadow?
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Dec 10 18:15:54 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:15:54 -0800
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqPsphdaW9MuADRpbNGJW8iP2iySzwoUVk_VJEJg6qHXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqmdnhAUM5NouLYKo+JZ8pG4DnzG72ybQ39QKS+DzhQNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5488C019.2050203@fourthworld.com>
	<CAKCLKtqPsphdaW9MuADRpbNGJW8iP2iySzwoUVk_VJEJg6qHXg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Basically any time a significant number of developers are expressing a
> single concept in more than one line, that's an opportunity to create a
> simpler, more powerful syntax. You know I could list hundreds of
> possibilities, and the truth is that for every one of them, someone would
> say "you want to do *what*?!" But if I'm clever, at least a few people
> would say, "I'm tired of typing so much, that sounds awesome."
>
> I can never post about this without throwing out a suggestion. How about
> making item take an argument?
>
> put item("|") 2 to 3 of item(";") 2 of
> "test|this|thing;one|more|string|here;final|string"
>
> puts "more|string"
> _______________________________________
>

I agree with that concept, that's what got this whole thread started really.

There's an enhancement request at the QCC for your item example, more
verbose but possibly more in the spirit of LC:

put item 2 to 3 delimited by "|" of item 2 delimited by ";" of ....

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 10 18:53:37 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 23:53:37 +0000
Subject: I Hate the New Color Picker
In-Reply-To: <54888BD4.6090008@fourthworld.com>
References: <20DF749B-F795-4BF8-B196-10822E693EDA@iotecdigital.com>
	<54888BD4.6090008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1A800FBB-5A81-4577-9437-F0FF6C3C934C@iotecdigital.com>

I?m only going off of posts made by Richmond over the years. (That?s probably only funny to Richmond). ;-)

Bob S


On Dec 10, 2014, at 10:07 , Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com<mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com>> wrote:

> For better or worse, ALL OS developers have to continue to innovate.
> If Apple?s OS troubles you, you can always use Win 8.x where you have
> to relearn where everything is, or Linux and then deal with piecing
> together all the components necessary for your app to work on every
> workstation that uses it. <sigh>

Piece together?  You should stop using Arch and switch to Ubuntu, Mint, or Fedora.

:)

(that's probably only funny to Mark Wieder)

--
Richard Gaskin


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 10 18:56:56 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 23:56:56 +0000
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtqPsphdaW9MuADRpbNGJW8iP2iySzwoUVk_VJEJg6qHXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCLKtqmdnhAUM5NouLYKo+JZ8pG4DnzG72ybQ39QKS+DzhQNg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5488C019.2050203@fourthworld.com>
	<CAKCLKtqPsphdaW9MuADRpbNGJW8iP2iySzwoUVk_VJEJg6qHXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <568BD8C5-929F-4F54-8B15-B5651681A32B@iotecdigital.com>

That makes my toes curl reading it.

Bob S


On Dec 10, 2014, at 14:19 , Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com<mailto:gcanyon at gmail.com>> wrote:

How about
making item take an argument?

put item("|") 2 to 3 of item(";") 2 of
"test|this|thing;one|more|string|here;final|string"

puts "more|string"



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Dec 10 19:44:50 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:44:50 -0800
Subject: Disabling effective innerShadow
In-Reply-To: <10B5B5F5-ACAD-49DA-8ECC-097E4D6FEAE0@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOr76n-huumaAm87a18XyG1qR0A4rAt4kO4CqZQd_OVjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<10B5B5F5-ACAD-49DA-8ECC-097E4D6FEAE0@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePLUn2NiE8k4t=YR28R_AgH-4B1mUUONB9CvPDvFvBQLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi SCott,
I'm not sure how I did it, but it's working now.  I tried several things
before I saw your response but I think what did it was:
- move the rectangles out of the group
- remove the innershadow of the group
- put the rectangles back in the group
- set the innershadow of the group

Irrespective of what made it work, seems like there's a missing value of
the effects properties that makes them no inherit from their owner.  A bit
like the "plain" keyword for the textStyle property.  I think there's
another property that takes "none" as a key word for the same purpose but
can't remember what it is.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> I might be wrong, but I don?t think you can, as described. Applying the
> effect to a group will cause the effect to appear on everything in the
> group, if there?s nothing else in the group that?s larger than the two
> rectangles.  If you have empty space surrounding the two rectangles, you
> might be able to apply the effect to a larger rectangle object within the
> group, instead of the group itself.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
> On Dec 10, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a group that has its innerShadow property set.  Within it are two
> > rectangles that do not have their innerShadow property set but I can see
> an
> > innerShadow on them, presumably because they are inheriting it from the
> > containing rectangle.
> >
> > I want to get rid of the innerShadow on the rectangles and have tried
> > setting their innershadow property to empty and also to "none" but it
> still
> > shows.
> >
> > How can I get rid of the rectangles' innerShadow?
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Dec 10 19:46:23 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:46:23 -0800
Subject: Disabling effective innerShadow
In-Reply-To: <72C82370-2463-4434-97C8-84C5A83BD49A@canelasoftware.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOr76n-huumaAm87a18XyG1qR0A4rAt4kO4CqZQd_OVjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72C82370-2463-4434-97C8-84C5A83BD49A@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO-d1E+GHVZr0Lw=6PPeeZJ-zmrYfZuVr0otQjC4NiZfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Eric,
I tried that but it made the the combination of the group's innerShadow and
being opaque made the group look weird (sorry, hard to explain).

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com>
wrote:

> Pete,
>
> Try setting the opaque property of the parent group to true.
>
> - Eric
>
> On Dec 10, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a group that has its innerShadow property set.  Within it are two
> > rectangles that do not have their innerShadow property set but I can see
> an
> > innerShadow on them, presumably because they are inheriting it from the
> > containing rectangle.
> >
> > I want to get rid of the innerShadow on the rectangles and have tried
> > setting their innershadow property to empty and also to "none" but it
> still
> > shows.
> >
> > How can I get rid of the rectangles' innerShadow?
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > _______________________________________________
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 02:39:55 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 09:39:55 +0200
Subject: USB peripherals
Message-ID: <54894A4B.9070106@gmail.com>

It is a major %$&*# if one authors a piece of software that requires
data entry via a USB peripheral other than a mouse or a keyboard
(gamepads, footpedals, scanners) as the end-user normally has to install
drivers and so on before using your software.

As almost all USB peripherals are automatically detected by the machines
they are connected to, and there is a plethora of open source drivers for
these peripheral devices, might it not be a good idea to package these
drivers in the upcoming widget format for rolling into standalones thereby
obviating the need of end-users to "get down and dirty" with their
machines?

Richmond.



From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Dec 11 04:54:04 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 01:54:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <1418121126893-4686641.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418063659962-4686608.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418074105429-4686623.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418121126893-4686641.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1418291644189-4686698.post@n4.nabble.com>

Here is a new version of homemade slider as promised
version 0_8

optionally switch behavior when clicking into back of slider
either "switch mode" moving thumb to either end or moving slider to
clickLoc.
Some code tweaks and some new examples.

--------------------------------
http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_8.livecode.zip
--------------------------------

Kind regards
Bernd



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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Dec 11 06:52:18 2014
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:52:18 +0100
Subject: I love my Colour Picker
Message-ID: <C2ED4F84-BAE3-4494-9325-FB7463818F9C@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Beautiful (but cold) Brittany,

I wrote my own Colour Picker many years ago

I didn?t tell anybody about it ???

-Francis


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 06:55:14 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:55:14 +0200
Subject: I love my Colour Picker
In-Reply-To: <C2ED4F84-BAE3-4494-9325-FB7463818F9C@wanadoo.fr>
References: <C2ED4F84-BAE3-4494-9325-FB7463818F9C@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <54898622.3020603@gmail.com>


On 12/11/2014 01:52 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Hi from Beautiful (but cold) Brittany,
>
> I wrote my own Colour Picker many years ago
>
> I didn?t tell anybody about it ???
>
> -Francis
> _______________________________________________
>

That's because you are not an egomaniac.

Maybe it is time to come out of the closet with your colour picker :)

Richmond.



From mail at richard-hillen.de  Thu Dec 11 09:02:14 2014
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (Hillen Richard)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:02:14 +0100
Subject: =?utf-8?Q?can=C2=B4t_change_the_layernumber_of_fields_in_a_stack?=
Message-ID: <90D7B056-319C-4979-A96B-3449EB85015F@richard-hillen.de>

Hello,

There is a stack with three bkgnd-fields and layer 1,2,3, which is also the tab order.
I want to change the layer-number to get an other tab-order.

I tried to change the layer-number in the Inspector / Size & Position; but it didn?t work.

May you help?

Thank you, 
Richard.


From irog at mac.com  Thu Dec 11 09:07:53 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:07:53 -0800
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <1418291644189-4686698.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418063659962-4686608.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418074105429-4686623.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418121126893-4686641.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418291644189-4686698.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D8AD8C1A-8B9E-41D2-BDB5-CCE0B07612D4@mac.com>

Thanks again, Bernd. This is a BIG timesaver!

Roger

> On Dec 11, 2014, at 1:54 AM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
> 
> Here is a new version of homemade slider as promised
> version 0_8
> 
> optionally switch behavior when clicking into back of slider
> either "switch mode" moving thumb to either end or moving slider to
> clickLoc.
> Some code tweaks and some new examples.
> 
> --------------------------------
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_8.livecode.zip
> --------------------------------
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> 
> 
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 09:29:52 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:29:52 -0800
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_can=C2=B4t_change_the_layernumber_of_fields_in_a_sta?=
	=?UTF-8?Q?ck?=
In-Reply-To: <90D7B056-319C-4979-A96B-3449EB85015F@richard-hillen.de>
References: <90D7B056-319C-4979-A96B-3449EB85015F@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGGQ8YA6+m=WNs=PYWrOaTboGfqzde-sUsUkoSXd9C3Cw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Hillen Richard <mail at richard-hillen.de>
wrote:

>
> There is a stack with three bkgnd-fields and layer 1,2,3, which is also
> the tab order.
> I want to change the layer-number to get an other tab-order.
>

You need to be editing the group; there is a button for that in the
toolbar, and a menu entry.

Select the group, and click.

In a script, "start editing somegroup" and then you can do these
manipulations.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 09:34:21 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:34:21 -0800
Subject: Missing properties
In-Reply-To: <54888DE6.3040107@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAKCLKtp+rBQM4yzCFsJjrq_Kv6vEUXipYXHYh_QMQ9h1C+-x_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<54888DE6.3040107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSH-Aw5VU1vuFGtGyhSBo3djybQCHht-bLmGopwCYbgwEg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:

> Right now most of what they do has to be done in C++, while most of what
> we do we get to do in LiveCode.   Once OL is available, the core dev team
> gets to spend more time doing development in LiveCode itself, meaning that


. . . the engine will get as sluggish as the IDE?

There is a very clear lack of understanding of what works well enough to
release . . .

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From eric at canelasoftware.com  Thu Dec 11 10:47:50 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:47:50 -0800
Subject: Disabling effective innerShadow
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eO-d1E+GHVZr0Lw=6PPeeZJ-zmrYfZuVr0otQjC4NiZfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOr76n-huumaAm87a18XyG1qR0A4rAt4kO4CqZQd_OVjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72C82370-2463-4434-97C8-84C5A83BD49A@canelasoftware.com>
	<CAGDT7eO-d1E+GHVZr0Lw=6PPeeZJ-zmrYfZuVr0otQjC4NiZfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E85CD84E-ED70-45B6-AC6C-EFA46CAF4269@canelasoftware.com>

Hi Pete,

Just for my knowledge, was the groups showBorder set to true?

I gave this a try using 6.1.3 (just happens to be the version I have to use for a production product.). Turning on opaque and showBorder caused it to look funny; also turning on 3D caused the innerShadow to transfer to the graphics. Turning off showBorder gave the result I think you wanted, the group has an innerShadow, the objects do not.

- Eric


On Dec 10, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Hi Eric,
> I tried that but it made the the combination of the group's innerShadow and
> being opaque made the group look weird (sorry, hard to explain).
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Pete,
>> 
>> Try setting the opaque property of the parent group to true.
>> 
>> - Eric
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a group that has its innerShadow property set.  Within it are two
>>> rectangles that do not have their innerShadow property set but I can see
>> an
>>> innerShadow on them, presumably because they are inheriting it from the
>>> containing rectangle.
>>> 
>>> I want to get rid of the innerShadow on the rectangles and have tried
>>> setting their innershadow property to empty and also to "none" but it
>> still
>>> shows.
>>> 
>>> How can I get rid of the rectangles' innerShadow?
>>> 
>>> Pete
>>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Dec 11 13:16:46 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 10:16:46 -0800
Subject: Disabling effective innerShadow
In-Reply-To: <E85CD84E-ED70-45B6-AC6C-EFA46CAF4269@canelasoftware.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOr76n-huumaAm87a18XyG1qR0A4rAt4kO4CqZQd_OVjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<72C82370-2463-4434-97C8-84C5A83BD49A@canelasoftware.com>
	<CAGDT7eO-d1E+GHVZr0Lw=6PPeeZJ-zmrYfZuVr0otQjC4NiZfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E85CD84E-ED70-45B6-AC6C-EFA46CAF4269@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMXNt=0fBGxKumbnY_KZZG-vTsmCvGV1uCKvHsz0h1jSg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Eric,
showBorder was off for the group but 3D is on.  I'll give it a try with 3D
off. Seems strange that the 3D setting would affect the innerShadow of the
group's controls.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com>
wrote:

> Hi Pete,
>
> Just for my knowledge, was the groups showBorder set to true?
>
> I gave this a try using 6.1.3 (just happens to be the version I have to
> use for a production product.). Turning on opaque and showBorder caused it
> to look funny; also turning on 3D caused the innerShadow to transfer to the
> graphics. Turning off showBorder gave the result I think you wanted, the
> group has an innerShadow, the objects do not.
>
> - Eric
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Eric,
> > I tried that but it made the the combination of the group's innerShadow
> and
> > being opaque made the group look weird (sorry, hard to explain).
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Pete,
> >>
> >> Try setting the opaque property of the parent group to true.
> >>
> >> - Eric
> >>
> >> On Dec 10, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have a group that has its innerShadow property set.  Within it are
> two
> >>> rectangles that do not have their innerShadow property set but I can
> see
> >> an
> >>> innerShadow on them, presumably because they are inheriting it from the
> >>> containing rectangle.
> >>>
> >>> I want to get rid of the innerShadow on the rectangles and have tried
> >>> setting their innershadow property to empty and also to "none" but it
> >> still
> >>> shows.
> >>>
> >>> How can I get rid of the rectangles' innerShadow?
> >>>
> >>> Pete
> >>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> >>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> >>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 11 15:01:03 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 14:01:03 -0600
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <1418291644189-4686698.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>	<1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>	<1418063659962-4686608.post@n4.nabble.com>	<1418074105429-4686623.post@n4.nabble.com>	<1418121126893-4686641.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418291644189-4686698.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5489F7FF.9040102@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/11/2014, 3:54 AM, BNig wrote:
> Here is a new version of homemade slider as promised
> version 0_8
>
> optionally switch behavior when clicking into back of slider
> either "switch mode" moving thumb to either end or moving slider to
> clickLoc.
> Some code tweaks and some new examples.
>
> --------------------------------
> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_8.livecode.zip
> --------------------------------

Very nice, Bernd. And useful.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From prothero at earthednet.org  Thu Dec 11 16:14:47 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:14:47 -0800
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <5489F7FF.9040102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>	<1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>	<1418063659962-4686608.post@n4.nabble.com>	<1418074105429-4686623.post@n4.nabble.com>	<1418121126893-4686641.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418291644189-4686698.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5489F7FF.9040102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D372C530-E912-42CD-BE96-7791913F5AC6@earthednet.org>

Looks very useful. Thanks!
Bill

On Dec 11, 2014, at 12:01 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 12/11/2014, 3:54 AM, BNig wrote:
>> Here is a new version of homemade slider as promised
>> version 0_8
>> 
>> optionally switch behavior when clicking into back of slider
>> either "switch mode" moving thumb to either end or moving slider to
>> clickLoc.
>> Some code tweaks and some new examples.
>> 
>> --------------------------------
>> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_8.livecode.zip
>> --------------------------------
> 
> Very nice, Bernd. And useful.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Dec 11 16:20:19 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:20:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <5489F7FF.9040102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418063659962-4686608.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418074105429-4686623.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418121126893-4686641.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418291644189-4686698.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<5489F7FF.9040102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1418332819909-4686709.post@n4.nabble.com>

Roger, Jaque, Bill

thank you.

I especially like the way one can customize it.
as timeline, pain scale, switch, progress indicator or whatever.

Please do report bugs or feature requests.

Kind regards
Bernd


J. Landman Gay wrote
> On 12/11/2014, 3:54 AM, BNig wrote:
>> Here is a new version of homemade slider as promised
>> version 0_8
>>
>> optionally switch behavior when clicking into back of slider
>> either "switch mode" moving thumb to either end or moving slider to
>> clickLoc.
>> Some code tweaks and some new examples.
>>
>> --------------------------------
>> http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_8.livecode.zip
>> --------------------------------
> 
> Very nice, Bernd. And useful.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     

> jacque@





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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 02:34:54 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:34:54 +0200
Subject: I love my Colour Picker
In-Reply-To: <C2ED4F84-BAE3-4494-9325-FB7463818F9C@wanadoo.fr>
References: <C2ED4F84-BAE3-4494-9325-FB7463818F9C@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <548A9A9E.4030809@gmail.com>

While there's a relatively easy series of equations to convert CMYK (is 
that pronounced
'schmuck'?) to RGB, I cannot for the life of me find anything I can 
understand to do HSV -> RGB.

Help welcomed . . .

Richmond.



From mikedoub at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 06:50:24 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:50:24 -0500
Subject: I love my Colour Picker
In-Reply-To: <548A9A9E.4030809@gmail.com>
References: <C2ED4F84-BAE3-4494-9325-FB7463818F9C@wanadoo.fr>
	<548A9A9E.4030809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548AD680.7060008@gmail.com>

Richmond,

__HSVtoRGB conversion is in the MasterLibrary.   There was a bug that I 
just fixed that was preventing it from showing up in the list.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0

Regards,
    Mike


On 12/12/14 2:34 AM, Richmond wrote:
> While there's a relatively easy series of equations to convert CMYK 
> (is that pronounced
> 'schmuck'?) to RGB, I cannot for the life of me find anything I can 
> understand to do HSV -> RGB.
>
> Help welcomed . . .
>
> Richmond.
>
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From mail at richard-hillen.de  Fri Dec 12 07:02:00 2014
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (Hillen Richard)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:02:00 +0100
Subject: can?t change the layernumber of fields in a stack
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1418382001.7127.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1418382001.7127.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E2675E9D-48D3-4D59-9D5A-72B1047757E2@richard-hillen.de>

Hello,
thank you; that worked.
Richard.

> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:29:52 -0800
> From: "Dr. Hawkins" <dochawk at gmail.com>
> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: can?t change the layernumber of fields in a stack
> Message-ID:
> 	<CANQHZSGGQ8YA6+m=WNs=PYWrOaTboGfqzde-sUsUkoSXd9C3Cw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Hillen Richard <mail at richard-hillen.de>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> There is a stack with three bkgnd-fields and layer 1,2,3, which is also
>> the tab order.
>> I want to change the layer-number to get an other tab-order.
>> 
> 
> You need to be editing the group; there is a button for that in the
> toolbar, and a menu entry.
> 
> Select the group, and click.
> 
> In a script, "start editing somegroup" and then you can do these
> manipulations.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> 




From mail at richard-hillen.de  Fri Dec 12 07:53:19 2014
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (Hillen Richard)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:53:19 +0100
Subject: unsure about my LiveCode VersionNr.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1418382001.7127.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1418382001.7127.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <653FF704-E8C3-4918-8831-CC30150D7D28@richard-hillen.de>

Hello again,

On Mac OS X looking into the file information (Command-I), I read "6.7.0.5012";
Looking into the running IDE, LiveCode - About Livecode, I read "LiveCode 7.
What is the truth?

May you help?

Thank you,
Richard H.


From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 12 09:12:13 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:12:13 +0000
Subject: textStyle and Italic
Message-ID: <A26F8363-C384-4D1F-9C57-59881D18D4C3@btinternet.com>

LC Community 6.7.1 (RC3)
OSX Yosemite

Created a new project to test and placed a text entry field on it.

Changed textFormat to Lucida Grande, 14, Italic.

Entered text and it was not Italic despite the property inspector saying it was Italic.

Is there a bug?

All the best

Terry


From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Dec 12 09:36:19 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:36:19 -0500
Subject: unsure about my LiveCode VersionNr.
In-Reply-To: <653FF704-E8C3-4918-8831-CC30150D7D28@richard-hillen.de>
References: <mailman.3.1418382001.7127.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<653FF704-E8C3-4918-8831-CC30150D7D28@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <8D1E43020845D48-BB0-B3F8@webmail-vm163.sysops.aol.com>

Hi.


From the message box, type "answer the version"


Craig Newman



-----Original Message-----
From: Hillen Richard <mail at richard-hillen.de>
To: use-livecode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 7:54 am
Subject: unsure about my LiveCode VersionNr.


Hello again,

On Mac OS X looking into the file information (Command-I), I read "6.7.0.5012";
Looking into the running IDE, LiveCode - About Livecode, I read "LiveCode 7.
What is the truth?

May you help?

Thank you,
Richard H.
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 10:49:04 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:49:04 -0700
Subject: unsure about my LiveCode VersionNr.
In-Reply-To: <653FF704-E8C3-4918-8831-CC30150D7D28@richard-hillen.de>
References: <mailman.3.1418382001.7127.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<653FF704-E8C3-4918-8831-CC30150D7D28@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSq5_BJtmnUSnSzhrgK_syQm2OEz4Mc5vwzDJoFnx68p5A@mail.gmail.com>

Guessing, the second.  Most likely, theres a plist or some such that didn't
get updated.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:53 AM, Hillen Richard <mail at richard-hillen.de>
wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> On Mac OS X looking into the file information (Command-I), I read
> "6.7.0.5012";
> Looking into the running IDE, LiveCode - About Livecode, I read "LiveCode
> 7.
> What is the truth?
>
> May you help?
>
> Thank you,
> Richard H.
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 11:03:23 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 09:03:23 -0700
Subject: can?t change the layernumber of fields in a stack
In-Reply-To: <E2675E9D-48D3-4D59-9D5A-72B1047757E2@richard-hillen.de>
References: <mailman.3.1418382001.7127.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<E2675E9D-48D3-4D59-9D5A-72B1047757E2@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSr_q4aNBeiquAkSD0-1E=7p1cZJaZ_ERL6BmewY0Jowiw@mail.gmail.com>

You can also capture the tab key, and roll your own flow among fields.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:02 AM, Hillen Richard <mail at richard-hillen.de>
wrote:

> Hello,
> thank you; that worked.
> Richard.
>
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 06:29:52 -0800
> > From: "Dr. Hawkins" <dochawk at gmail.com>
> > To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
> > Subject: Re: can?t change the layernumber of fields in a stack
> > Message-ID:
> >       <CANQHZSGGQ8YA6+m=WNs=
> PYWrOaTboGfqzde-sUsUkoSXd9C3Cw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Hillen Richard <mail at richard-hillen.de>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> There is a stack with three bkgnd-fields and layer 1,2,3, which is also
> >> the tab order.
> >> I want to change the layer-number to get an other tab-order.
> >>
> >
> > You need to be editing the group; there is a button for that in the
> > toolbar, and a menu entry.
> >
> > Select the group, and click.
> >
> > In a script, "start editing somegroup" and then you can do these
> > manipulations.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> > (702) 508-8462
> >
>
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri Dec 12 11:08:19 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 17:08:19 +0100
Subject: OT: Mac installer rights?
Message-ID: <009101d01625$d940ad80$8bc20880$@kestner.de>

Hello,

 

I am not very good in the OS X depth. I have a customer, where the
installation of my LC product with an installer from installer maker fails
in /Applications/MyFolder because "dir can't be created" (even when this dir
was created manually before, this message is logged for every file). My
customer tells me she has admin rights and creating the same dir and copying
files into it manually works fine. She has used the HD repair tool without
success.

 

My question to the Mac guys: What is the difference concerning writing
rights when the same user creates manually folders and files or lets an
installer do that for him? Is there on Mac something similar as on Windows
like "run as Admin" to try to lift the user rights? Or is here something
completely messed up? I have never experienced this before.

 

Thanks for enlightening

Tiemo

 

 

 



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 12:19:24 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:19:24 -0700
Subject: Direction, and color
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a quick question, its one of those that should be obvious, but i'm
just not seeing it.

What i'm playing with right now, is just a bunch of round grc moving on
screen. (an adaption of the "swarm" sample stack created by scott rossi)
 What I'd like to do, is modify the colors of of each ball based on
direction and speed.  Sort of like a color wheel, zero speed or direction
being the center of the wheel.  So, direction would affect color, and speed
would affect the end color based on a gradient dark to light.

I hope the explanation is clearer than mud.

Any suggestions, or reading material that might help get me kickstarted?

TIA

Mike


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 13:11:34 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 20:11:34 +0200
Subject: I love my Colour Picker
In-Reply-To: <548AD680.7060008@gmail.com>
References: <C2ED4F84-BAE3-4494-9325-FB7463818F9C@wanadoo.fr>	<548A9A9E.4030809@gmail.com>
	<548AD680.7060008@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548B2FD6.9080909@gmail.com>

On 12/12/14 13:50, Michael Doub wrote:
> Richmond,
>
> __HSVtoRGB conversion is in the MasterLibrary.   There was a bug that 
> I just fixed that was preventing it from showing up in the list.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0
>
> Regards,
>    Mike
>

Lovely!

Richmond.

>
> On 12/12/14 2:34 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> While there's a relatively easy series of equations to convert CMYK 
>> (is that pronounced
>> 'schmuck'?) to RGB, I cannot for the life of me find anything I can 
>> understand to do HSV -> RGB.
>>
>> Help welcomed . . .
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Dec 12 13:22:29 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:22:29 -0600
Subject: OT: Mac installer rights?
In-Reply-To: <009101d01625$d940ad80$8bc20880$@kestner.de>
References: <009101d01625$d940ad80$8bc20880$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <548B3265.3030507@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/12/2014, 10:08 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> My question to the Mac guys: What is the difference concerning writing
> rights when the same user creates manually folders and files or lets an
> installer do that for him? Is there on Mac something similar as on Windows
> like "run as Admin" to try to lift the user rights? Or is here something
> completely messed up? I have never experienced this before.

It is part of the Mac OS sandboxing, which prevents software from 
writing files to locations outside of its own folders. This prevents 
malware from writing to disk in areas it does not control.

Except for certain drivers and extensions, OS X does not use installers, 
and users do not expect one. The user simply drags the app bundle to the 
applications folder. You can zip the app if you like, and the user can 
unzip it and drag it into the folder. Or commonly apps ship in dmg files 
(a virtual device image.) These are easy to create with various Mac 
utilities such as Drop DMG. Most users are familiar with dmg files.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Dec 12 13:22:53 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:22:53 +0000
Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IGNhbsK0dCBjaGFuZ2UgdGhlIGxheWVybnVtYmVyIG9mIGZpZWxkcyBp?=
	=?utf-8?Q?n_a_stack?=
In-Reply-To: <90D7B056-319C-4979-A96B-3449EB85015F@richard-hillen.de>
References: <90D7B056-319C-4979-A96B-3449EB85015F@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <6EC8966E-57EE-4177-90A5-5300DABAF749@iotecdigital.com>

Open the Application Browser and move the objects up or down in the hierarchy. This effectively rearranges the layer they are on. Note that a field in a group cannot be put on a level outside the group itself. You must move the whole group to change it?s level. For instance, I group a label and corresponding field together. When I want to change the tab order, I relayer the group. 

Bob S


> On Dec 11, 2014, at 06:02 , Hillen Richard <mail at richard-hillen.de> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> There is a stack with three bkgnd-fields and layer 1,2,3, which is also the tab order.
> I want to change the layer-number to get an other tab-order.
> 
> I tried to change the layer-number in the Inspector / Size & Position; but it didn?t work.
> 
> May you help?
> 
> Thank you, 
> Richard.
> _______________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Dec 12 13:24:53 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:24:53 -0600
Subject: textStyle and Italic
In-Reply-To: <A26F8363-C384-4D1F-9C57-59881D18D4C3@btinternet.com>
References: <A26F8363-C384-4D1F-9C57-59881D18D4C3@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <548B32F5.4060904@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/12/2014, 8:12 AM, Terence Heaford wrote:
> LC Community 6.7.1 (RC3) OSX Yosemite
>
> Created a new project to test and placed a text entry field on it.
>
> Changed textFormat to Lucida Grande, 14, Italic.
>
> Entered text and it was not Italic despite the property inspector
> saying it was Italic.
>
> Is there a bug?

No, it's a change in how fonts are rendered. See the release notes for 
version 6.7:

It's worth noting that the previous OS X routines used synthesised font 
styles. That is, bold and italic styles were emulated (by slanting or 
thickening) if the font being rendered was not bold or italic. This is 
not the case for the new routines. If there is not a font present on the 
system with the given style, the plain alternative will be used.
The is the case with the default font - Lucida Grande. By default, 
systems only come with the bold variant. Thus, if you have a field with 
the default font and italic style, it will be rendered in plain style.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Fri Dec 12 13:27:01 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:27:01 +0000
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <D8AD8C1A-8B9E-41D2-BDB5-CCE0B07612D4@mac.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418063659962-4686608.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418074105429-4686623.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418121126893-4686641.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418291644189-4686698.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D8AD8C1A-8B9E-41D2-BDB5-CCE0B07612D4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0CDA66F0-BF2E-4EB9-A38C-1096D6658762@iotecdigital.com>

Hey that is handy. I am going to try to modify it to change color when acting as a switch. Kind of like an off on switch with color.

Bob S


On Dec 11, 2014, at 06:07 , Roger Guay <irog at mac.com<mailto:irog at mac.com>> wrote:

http://berndniggemann.on-rev.com/customslider/customSlider_0_8.livecode.zip
--------------------------------

Kind regards
Bernd



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 13:27:14 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 20:27:14 +0200
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>

On 12/12/14 19:19, Mike Bonner wrote:
> I have a quick question, its one of those that should be obvious, but i'm
> just not seeing it.
>
> What i'm playing with right now, is just a bunch of round grc moving on
> screen. (an adaption of the "swarm" sample stack created by scott rossi)
>   What I'd like to do, is modify the colors of of each ball based on
> direction and speed.  Sort of like a color wheel, zero speed or direction
> being the center of the wheel.  So, direction would affect color, and speed
> would affect the end color based on a gradient dark to light.
>
> I hope the explanation is clearer than mud.
>
> Any suggestions, or reading material that might help get me kickstarted?
>
> TIA
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
>

I don't think that should be unduly difficult . . .

For instance, one could leverage RGB codes so that, let us say, the 
direction in degrees
could be signalled something like this:

RRR= round (255/(360-DIR)
set the backgroundColor of grc "myFatBlob" to RRR,GGG,BBB

where DIR is the direction in degrees, GGG is some number 0<GGG<256, and 
so is BBB.

Darkness could be worked out by having one's "Blobs" consist of a pair 
of graphics (one on top of the other)
where the lower one is black. Speed could then be signalled by setting 
the BLEND level of the top one.

Richmond.



From martyknappster at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 13:34:16 2014
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:34:16 -0800
Subject: textStyle and Italic
In-Reply-To: <548B32F5.4060904@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <A26F8363-C384-4D1F-9C57-59881D18D4C3@btinternet.com>
	<548B32F5.4060904@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <548B3528.4050006@gmail.com>

That being the case, it would be nice if the fontStyles function worked. 
Currently, no matter what font you input it always shows the same 
result, even if the font does not have the variant:

plain
bold
italic
bold-italic

I did file a bug report almost a year ago - Bug 10650

Marty Knapp
> On 12/12/2014, 8:12 AM, Terence Heaford wrote:
>> LC Community 6.7.1 (RC3) OSX Yosemite
>>
>> Created a new project to test and placed a text entry field on it.
>>
>> Changed textFormat to Lucida Grande, 14, Italic.
>>
>> Entered text and it was not Italic despite the property inspector
>> saying it was Italic.
>>
>> Is there a bug?
>
> No, it's a change in how fonts are rendered. See the release notes for 
> version 6.7:
>
> It's worth noting that the previous OS X routines used synthesised 
> font styles. That is, bold and italic styles were emulated (by 
> slanting or thickening) if the font being rendered was not bold or 
> italic. This is not the case for the new routines. If there is not a 
> font present on the system with the given style, the plain alternative 
> will be used.
> The is the case with the default font - Lucida Grande. By default, 
> systems only come with the bold variant. Thus, if you have a field 
> with the default font and italic style, it will be rendered in plain 
> style.
>





From ben at livecode.com  Fri Dec 12 13:26:19 2014
From: ben at livecode.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:26:19 +0000
Subject: RELEASE LiveCode 6.7.1 RC4
Message-ID: <CADd0_Tx-oOHSWzMZDcd95o6gGX5QK-TWJi3hyt0Q_81qoYTUKg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members,

We're pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.1 RC4. This is a
maintenance release focusing on bug fixes and refinement.

*Release Contents*
This release contains 14 bug fixes. Most notable is a fix relating to 100%
CPU usage in specific circumstances.

For a full list of the bugs fixed in this release please see the release
notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_7_1/LiveCodeNotes-6_7_1_rc_4.pdf

*Getting the Release*
To get the release please select "check for updates" from the "help" menu
in the product or download the installer directly at:
http://downloads.livecode.com

*Feeding Back*
If you encounter any issues while working with the release please help us
by creating a report in our quality control center at:
http://quality.runrev.com/

Special thanks to Trevor Devore for working with us to find and fix the
100% cpu issue.

Warm regards,

The LiveCode Team


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Dec 12 13:41:56 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:41:56 -0600
Subject: textStyle and Italic
In-Reply-To: <548B3528.4050006@gmail.com>
References: <A26F8363-C384-4D1F-9C57-59881D18D4C3@btinternet.com>	<548B32F5.4060904@hyperactivesw.com>
	<548B3528.4050006@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548B36F4.8010007@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/12/2014, 12:34 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:
> That being the case, it would be nice if the fontStyles function worked.
> Currently, no matter what font you input it always shows the same
> result, even if the font does not have the variant:
>
> plain
> bold
> italic
> bold-italic
>
> I did file a bug report almost a year ago - Bug 10650

I think technically they are no longer fontstyles, they are fontnames. 
You can filter the fontnames with the particular font you are looking 
for and see what styles are available.

It would be nice if the engine could map those for us though, since not 
all fonts follow the same naming scheme.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Fri Dec 12 13:44:35 2014
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:44:35 -0800
Subject: Playing musical notes in LC
Message-ID: <F503DC53-1C53-4879-A200-14F4A9EB88CE@doctorTimothyMiller.com>

IIRC, there was once a time, perhaps antediluvian, when the command ?Play G3? would play a G below middle C. The user could also specify a duration, I think.

Either I don?t recall correctly, or this feature was scrapped.

Is there an extension or plug-in that makes this possible in current versions of LC? (I know I can play mp3 sound clips.)

Now that I?m thinking about music, is there a way to make LC play a given note from a given instrument, with a given duration, from a soundFont?

Thanks in advance.

Tim






From dunbarx at aol.com  Fri Dec 12 13:55:30 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:55:30 -0500
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1E45456027E44-1288-2635@webmail-vm049.sysops.aol.com>

Mike.



If you know the direction, either because you set it up that way or you interrogate the x,y position regularly, can't you set your colors based on that information? Same with the speed?


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 12:20 pm
Subject: Direction, and color


I have a quick question, its one of those that should be obvious, but i'm
just not seeing it.

What i'm playing with right now, is just a bunch of round grc moving on
screen. (an adaption of the "swarm" sample stack created by scott rossi)
 What I'd like to do, is modify the colors of of each ball based on
direction and speed.  Sort of like a color wheel, zero speed or direction
being the center of the wheel.  So, direction would affect color, and speed
would affect the end color based on a gradient dark to light.

I hope the explanation is clearer than mud.

Any suggestions, or reading material that might help get me kickstarted?

TIA

Mike
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From capellan2000 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 20:02:50 2014
From: capellan2000 at gmail.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 17:02:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [New] BPG Image Format
Message-ID: <1418432570987-4686732.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi All, 

Check this new image format: 
http://bellard.org/bpg/
http://bellard.org/bpg/gallery2.html
http://bellard.org/bpg/lena.html

Interesting enough, this new image format 
looks a lot better than JPEG and have 
an impressive compression advantage 
compared with PNG... 

Have a weekend! 

Al



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 13 00:00:22 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 23:00:22 -0600
Subject: Port designation in URL
Message-ID: <548BC7E6.3000609@hyperactivesw.com>

A little off topic, but does anyone know what the pipe means in a url in 
this format:

www. domain.com:443|6928

It's coming back in the error response from a POST request and the 
request times out. What does the second port number mean, if that's what 
it is?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 02:32:09 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 00:32:09 -0700
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey!  Simple and easy, Thanks much, will try and get it working tomorrow.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 12/12/14 19:19, Mike Bonner wrote:
>
>> I have a quick question, its one of those that should be obvious, but i'm
>> just not seeing it.
>>
>> What i'm playing with right now, is just a bunch of round grc moving on
>> screen. (an adaption of the "swarm" sample stack created by scott rossi)
>>   What I'd like to do, is modify the colors of of each ball based on
>> direction and speed.  Sort of like a color wheel, zero speed or direction
>> being the center of the wheel.  So, direction would affect color, and
>> speed
>> would affect the end color based on a gradient dark to light.
>>
>> I hope the explanation is clearer than mud.
>>
>> Any suggestions, or reading material that might help get me kickstarted?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
> I don't think that should be unduly difficult . . .
>
> For instance, one could leverage RGB codes so that, let us say, the
> direction in degrees
> could be signalled something like this:
>
> RRR= round (255/(360-DIR)
> set the backgroundColor of grc "myFatBlob" to RRR,GGG,BBB
>
> where DIR is the direction in degrees, GGG is some number 0<GGG<256, and
> so is BBB.
>
> Darkness could be worked out by having one's "Blobs" consist of a pair of
> graphics (one on top of the other)
> where the lower one is black. Speed could then be signalled by setting the
> BLEND level of the top one.
>
> Richmond.
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 02:41:19 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 00:41:19 -0700
Subject: Port designation in URL
In-Reply-To: <548BC7E6.3000609@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <548BC7E6.3000609@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqpx223MgZi+p07_T78_AQtD+BWF3FDFkxPiXxorawoBw@mail.gmail.com>

If it works like it does in LC, its just assigning a name to the socket,
the name being 6928. Its used (again, assuming its used as in lc) so that
you can have multiple connects to the same socket on the same host and port
so they can be distinguished from one another.  Works great when using
chatrev (tweaked) for experimenting on a single machine.  That way I can
talk to myself from multiple stacks at the same time.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:00 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> A little off topic, but does anyone know what the pipe means in a url in
> this format:
>
> www. domain.com:443|6928
>
> It's coming back in the error response from a POST request and the request
> times out. What does the second port number mean, if that's what it is?
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Sat Dec 13 02:44:07 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:44:07 +0000
Subject: textStyle and Italic
In-Reply-To: <548B32F5.4060904@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <A26F8363-C384-4D1F-9C57-59881D18D4C3@btinternet.com>
	<548B32F5.4060904@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <80A4CDAB-4D74-4786-A30E-0062D99576B2@btinternet.com>

Do you get informed of this in some way in your method calls?

Why does the IDE say Italic when it isn?t?

All the best

Terry

> On 12 Dec 2014, at 18:24, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> It's worth noting that the previous OS X routines used synthesised font styles. That is, bold and italic styles were emulated (by slanting or thickening)



From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sat Dec 13 03:52:57 2014
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:52:57 +0100
Subject: Playing musical notes in LC
In-Reply-To: <F503DC53-1C53-4879-A200-14F4A9EB88CE@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
References: <F503DC53-1C53-4879-A200-14F4A9EB88CE@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <A46477DF-C0AB-4872-8A92-FABD1EEC8661@numericable.com>

Hello,
You can see here :
http://sunny-tdz.com/art-1000
Bon souvenir de Paris
Ren?

Le 12 d?c. 2014 ? 19:44, Timothy Miller <gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com> a ?crit :

> IIRC, there was once a time, perhaps antediluvian, when the command ?Play G3? would play a G below middle C. The user could also specify a duration, I think.
> 
> Either I don?t recall correctly, or this feature was scrapped.
> 
> Is there an extension or plug-in that makes this possible in current versions of LC? (I know I can play mp3 sound clips.)
> 
> Now that I?m thinking about music, is there a way to make LC play a given note from a given instrument, with a given duration, from a soundFont?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Sat Dec 13 06:10:00 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 12:10:00 +0100
Subject: AW: OT: Mac installer rights?
In-Reply-To: <548B3265.3030507@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <009101d01625$d940ad80$8bc20880$@kestner.de>
	<548B3265.3030507@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <001501d016c5$56db10b0$04913210$@kestner.de>

Hi Jacque,
thanks for your comments. That is funny, because I am using Mark
Schonewilles Installer Maker since years without any problems and also with
this product it installs my LC prog as expected on all of my clients Macs
from OS X 10.5 to 10.10. This is the only one (on 10.9.5), where this
phenomenon happened, so I think there must be something being messed up on
the machine.
Tiemo

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag
von J. Landman Gay
Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 19:22
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: OT: Mac installer rights?

On 12/12/2014, 10:08 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> My question to the Mac guys: What is the difference concerning writing 
> rights when the same user creates manually folders and files or lets 
> an installer do that for him? Is there on Mac something similar as on 
> Windows like "run as Admin" to try to lift the user rights? Or is here 
> something completely messed up? I have never experienced this before.

It is part of the Mac OS sandboxing, which prevents software from writing
files to locations outside of its own folders. This prevents malware from
writing to disk in areas it does not control.

Except for certain drivers and extensions, OS X does not use installers, and
users do not expect one. The user simply drags the app bundle to the
applications folder. You can zip the app if you like, and the user can unzip
it and drag it into the folder. Or commonly apps ship in dmg files (a
virtual device image.) These are easy to create with various Mac utilities
such as Drop DMG. Most users are familiar with dmg files.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 13 12:02:04 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:02:04 -0600
Subject: OT: Mac installer rights?
In-Reply-To: <001501d016c5$56db10b0$04913210$@kestner.de>
References: <009101d01625$d940ad80$8bc20880$@kestner.de>
	<548B3265.3030507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<001501d016c5$56db10b0$04913210$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <0CF38E7E-2908-4A6C-9410-7A2425173ED5@hyperactivesw.com>

The user probably has their security settings set to the default,  which disallows installation except from the Mac App Store. The second level of security allows third party installations but only if they are code signed. The third level allows anything. 

You can tell the user to change the setting to allow installation from anywhere,. For a novice user this can compromise the security of the machine, so they may want to set it back to the default after installation. 

On December 13, 2014 5:10:00 AM CST, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
>Hi Jacque,
>thanks for your comments. That is funny, because I am using Mark
>Schonewilles Installer Maker since years without any problems and also
>with
>this product it installs my LC prog as expected on all of my clients
>Macs
>from OS X 10.5 to 10.10. This is the only one (on 10.9.5), where this
>phenomenon happened, so I think there must be something being messed up
>on
>the machine.
>Tiemo
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
>Auftrag
>von J. Landman Gay
>Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 19:22
>An: How to use LiveCode
>Betreff: Re: OT: Mac installer rights?
>
>On 12/12/2014, 10:08 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>> My question to the Mac guys: What is the difference concerning
>writing 
>> rights when the same user creates manually folders and files or lets 
>> an installer do that for him? Is there on Mac something similar as on
>
>> Windows like "run as Admin" to try to lift the user rights? Or is
>here 
>> something completely messed up? I have never experienced this before.
>
>It is part of the Mac OS sandboxing, which prevents software from
>writing
>files to locations outside of its own folders. This prevents malware
>from
>writing to disk in areas it does not control.
>
>Except for certain drivers and extensions, OS X does not use
>installers, and
>users do not expect one. The user simply drags the app bundle to the
>applications folder. You can zip the app if you like, and the user can
>unzip
>it and drag it into the folder. Or commonly apps ship in dmg files (a
>virtual device image.) These are easy to create with various Mac
>utilities
>such as Drop DMG. Most users are familiar with dmg files.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 13 12:12:13 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:12:13 -0600
Subject: textStyle and Italic
In-Reply-To: <80A4CDAB-4D74-4786-A30E-0062D99576B2@btinternet.com>
References: <A26F8363-C384-4D1F-9C57-59881D18D4C3@btinternet.com>
	<548B32F5.4060904@hyperactivesw.com>
	<80A4CDAB-4D74-4786-A30E-0062D99576B2@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B3B2543D-DDFE-4E00-8D9D-C3BC1A808D34@hyperactivesw.com>

The information is in the release notes, and the behavior brings font management into conformance with how mobile font styling works (there are no simulated styles on mobile.) 

The IDE reports italics because that's what was assigned and the engine apparently keeps the designation though it no longer can render it. The IDE must be using that info to do a font substitution or something similar. Your own scripts could do the same. 

On December 13, 2014 1:44:07 AM CST, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:
>Do you get informed of this in some way in your method calls?
>
>Why does the IDE say Italic when it isn?t?
>
>All the best
>
>Terry
>
>> On 12 Dec 2014, at 18:24, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>wrote:
>> 
>> It's worth noting that the previous OS X routines used synthesised
>font styles. That is, bold and italic styles were emulated (by slanting
>or thickening)
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 13 12:13:53 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:13:53 -0600
Subject: Port designation in URL
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqpx223MgZi+p07_T78_AQtD+BWF3FDFkxPiXxorawoBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <548BC7E6.3000609@hyperactivesw.com>
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Message-ID: <9D179C21-150D-45A0-B075-6AEC4F3E95C6@hyperactivesw.com>

Thanks Mike, that helps. Since the error is being processed through libURL it makes sense. 

On December 13, 2014 1:41:19 AM CST, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>If it works like it does in LC, its just assigning a name to the
>socket,
>the name being 6928. Its used (again, assuming its used as in lc) so
>that
>you can have multiple connects to the same socket on the same host and
>port
>so they can be distinguished from one another.  Works great when using
>chatrev (tweaked) for experimenting on a single machine.  That way I
>can
>talk to myself from multiple stacks at the same time.
>
>On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:00 PM, J. Landman Gay
><jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>wrote:
>
>> A little off topic, but does anyone know what the pipe means in a url
>in
>> this format:
>>
>> www. domain.com:443|6928
>>
>> It's coming back in the error response from a POST request and the
>request
>> times out. What does the second port number mean, if that's what it
>is?
>>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Dec 13 12:17:04 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:17:04 +0100
Subject: OT: Mac installer rights?
In-Reply-To: <0CF38E7E-2908-4A6C-9410-7A2425173ED5@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <009101d01625$d940ad80$8bc20880$@kestner.de>	<548B3265.3030507@hyperactivesw.com>	<001501d016c5$56db10b0$04913210$@kestner.de>
	<0CF38E7E-2908-4A6C-9410-7A2425173ED5@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <548C7490.5090406@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Tiemo,

I assume your installer has been signed. Installer Maker's Help section 
is far from complete, but there is a suggestion there about starting the 
app with admin rights. You might try that.

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On 12/13/2014 18:02, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> The user probably has their security settings set to the default,  which disallows installation except from the Mac App Store. The second level of security allows third party installations but only if they are code signed. The third level allows anything.
>
> You can tell the user to change the setting to allow installation from anywhere,. For a novice user this can compromise the security of the machine, so they may want to set it back to the default after installation.
>
> On December 13, 2014 5:10:00 AM CST, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
>> Hi Jacque,
>> thanks for your comments. That is funny, because I am using Mark
>> Schonewilles Installer Maker since years without any problems and also
>> with
>> this product it installs my LC prog as expected on all of my clients
>> Macs
>>from OS X 10.5 to 10.10. This is the only one (on 10.9.5), where this
>> phenomenon happened, so I think there must be something being messed up
>> on
>> the machine.
>> Tiemo
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im
>> Auftrag
>> von J. Landman Gay
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 19:22
>> An: How to use LiveCode
>> Betreff: Re: OT: Mac installer rights?
>>
>> On 12/12/2014, 10:08 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>>> My question to the Mac guys: What is the difference concerning
>> writing
>>> rights when the same user creates manually folders and files or lets
>>> an installer do that for him? Is there on Mac something similar as on
>>
>>> Windows like "run as Admin" to try to lift the user rights? Or is
>> here
>>> something completely messed up? I have never experienced this before.
>>
>> It is part of the Mac OS sandboxing, which prevents software from
>> writing
>> files to locations outside of its own folders. This prevents malware
>> from
>> writing to disk in areas it does not control.
>>
>> Except for certain drivers and extensions, OS X does not use
>> installers, and
>> users do not expect one. The user simply drags the app bundle to the
>> applications folder. You can zip the app if you like, and the user can
>> unzip
>> it and drag it into the folder. Or commonly apps ship in dmg files (a
>> virtual device image.) These are easy to create with various Mac
>> utilities
>> such as Drop DMG. Most users are familiar with dmg files.
>



From toolbook at kestner.de  Sat Dec 13 12:26:42 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:26:42 +0100
Subject: AW: OT: Mac installer rights?
In-Reply-To: <0CF38E7E-2908-4A6C-9410-7A2425173ED5@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <009101d01625$d940ad80$8bc20880$@kestner.de>	<548B3265.3030507@hyperactivesw.com>	<001501d016c5$56db10b0$04913210$@kestner.de>
	<0CF38E7E-2908-4A6C-9410-7A2425173ED5@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <002e01d016f9$f90de6d0$eb29b470$@kestner.de>

I have thought about that also, but my progam and the installer is codesigned and usually the user gets a message telling something about not trustful sources or something like that, even with "level 1" of the security settings. But in this case no message appeared, the installer starts installing, runs through to the end without any error message apparently installing and only a hidden logfile of the installer told me "can't create dir..."
Meanwhile I have packed all files into a DMG, which she could copy without problems into the same place.
Really weired.
Thanks Tiemo

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von J. Landman Gay
Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Dezember 2014 18:02
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: OT: Mac installer rights?

The user probably has their security settings set to the default,  which disallows installation except from the Mac App Store. The second level of security allows third party installations but only if they are code signed. The third level allows anything. 

You can tell the user to change the setting to allow installation from anywhere,. For a novice user this can compromise the security of the machine, so they may want to set it back to the default after installation. 

On December 13, 2014 5:10:00 AM CST, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
>Hi Jacque,
>thanks for your comments. That is funny, because I am using Mark 
>Schonewilles Installer Maker since years without any problems and also 
>with this product it installs my LC prog as expected on all of my 
>clients Macs from OS X 10.5 to 10.10. This is the only one (on 10.9.5), 
>where this phenomenon happened, so I think there must be something 
>being messed up on the machine.
>Tiemo
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im 
>Auftrag von J. Landman Gay
>Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 19:22
>An: How to use LiveCode
>Betreff: Re: OT: Mac installer rights?
>
>On 12/12/2014, 10:08 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>> My question to the Mac guys: What is the difference concerning
>writing
>> rights when the same user creates manually folders and files or lets 
>> an installer do that for him? Is there on Mac something similar as on
>
>> Windows like "run as Admin" to try to lift the user rights? Or is
>here
>> something completely messed up? I have never experienced this before.
>
>It is part of the Mac OS sandboxing, which prevents software from 
>writing files to locations outside of its own folders. This prevents 
>malware from writing to disk in areas it does not control.
>
>Except for certain drivers and extensions, OS X does not use 
>installers, and users do not expect one. The user simply drags the app 
>bundle to the applications folder. You can zip the app if you like, and 
>the user can unzip it and drag it into the folder. Or commonly apps 
>ship in dmg files (a virtual device image.) These are easy to create 
>with various Mac utilities such as Drop DMG. Most users are familiar 
>with dmg files.

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From toolbook at kestner.de  Sat Dec 13 12:30:32 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:30:32 +0100
Subject: AW: OT: Mac installer rights?
In-Reply-To: <548C7490.5090406@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <009101d01625$d940ad80$8bc20880$@kestner.de>	<548B3265.3030507@hyperactivesw.com>	<001501d016c5$56db10b0$04913210$@kestner.de>	<0CF38E7E-2908-4A6C-9410-7A2425173ED5@hyperactivesw.com>
	<548C7490.5090406@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <002f01d016fa$7fbc5b30$7f351190$@kestner.de>

Hi Mark,
yes it is signed.
Haven't noticed that option yet. I will try that the next time I build a new installer. By now I have a bulk of CDs on stock, where I have to find a solution at the customers site. Thank good, it is only one customer yet
Tiemo

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Schonewille
Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Dezember 2014 18:17
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: OT: Mac installer rights?

Hi Tiemo,

I assume your installer has been signed. Installer Maker's Help section is far from complete, but there is a suggestion there about starting the app with admin rights. You might try that.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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KvK: 50277553

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http://qery.us/468

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On 12/13/2014 18:02, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> The user probably has their security settings set to the default,  which disallows installation except from the Mac App Store. The second level of security allows third party installations but only if they are code signed. The third level allows anything.
>
> You can tell the user to change the setting to allow installation from anywhere,. For a novice user this can compromise the security of the machine, so they may want to set it back to the default after installation.
>
> On December 13, 2014 5:10:00 AM CST, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
>> Hi Jacque,
>> thanks for your comments. That is funny, because I am using Mark  
>>Schonewilles Installer Maker since years without any problems and also  
>>with  this product it installs my LC prog as expected on all of my 
>>clients  Macs from OS X 10.5 to 10.10. This is the only one (on 
>>10.9.5), where this  phenomenon happened, so I think there must be 
>>something being messed up  on  the machine.
>> Tiemo
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im 
>> Auftrag von J. Landman Gay
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 19:22
>> An: How to use LiveCode
>> Betreff: Re: OT: Mac installer rights?
>>
>> On 12/12/2014, 10:08 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>>> My question to the Mac guys: What is the difference concerning
>> writing
>>> rights when the same user creates manually folders and files or lets 
>>> an installer do that for him? Is there on Mac something similar as 
>>> on
>>
>>> Windows like "run as Admin" to try to lift the user rights? Or is
>> here
>>> something completely messed up? I have never experienced this before.
>>
>> It is part of the Mac OS sandboxing, which prevents software from 
>> writing files to locations outside of its own folders. This prevents 
>> malware from writing to disk in areas it does not control.
>>
>> Except for certain drivers and extensions, OS X does not use 
>> installers, and users do not expect one. The user simply drags the 
>> app bundle to the applications folder. You can zip the app if you 
>> like, and the user can unzip it and drag it into the folder. Or 
>> commonly apps ship in dmg files (a virtual device image.) These are 
>> easy to create with various Mac utilities such as Drop DMG. Most 
>> users are familiar with dmg files.
>

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From ethanlish at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 12:29:33 2014
From: ethanlish at gmail.com (Ethan Lish)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:29:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Apple app upgrade advice
Message-ID: <1418491773176.fa938e34@Nodemailer>

Hello,

I have a great deal of localization set in an iOS app and want to make sure I store it in the correct location so that it will persist a application upgrade.?


Is there any documentation to assist / provide guidance like;
- data stored on the stack will be lost with upgrades
- data stored in SQLite database will be....if kept in the documents folder....
- data stored in settings will be....


Clearly data stored on a server can persist but I'm looking for local options?


E

?
Ethan at Lish.net240.876.1389

From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 19:44:40 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 16:44:40 -0800
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone else seeing these?  I haven't had this problem with any prior
release.

The only vaguely repeatable related event I've seen is that if I have an
inspector open and change a custom property, it crashes if a piece of code
tries to access that property before I leave the inspector.

Yet another way that livecode eats 10-15 minutes of each hour of
development . . .
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca  Sat Dec 13 21:02:39 2014
From: Mark_Smith at cpe.umanitoba.ca (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:02:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ANN] homemade slider
In-Reply-To: <0CDA66F0-BF2E-4EB9-A38C-1096D6658762@iotecdigital.com>
References: <1417996706020-4686566.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7eOSrNrySq+WV+iBESbTbebMW2bnTk=whU60UwP_gCw=2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418002289473-4686578.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAGDT7ePqAyG3FmuOZB314Z5Ew78yoFe_UY4PpOhQ_kW7Bdjvpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418063659962-4686608.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418074105429-4686623.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418121126893-4686641.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<1418291644189-4686698.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D8AD8C1A-8B9E-41D2-BDB5-CCE0B07612D4@mac.com>
	<0CDA66F0-BF2E-4EB9-A38C-1096D6658762@iotecdigital.com>
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Excellent! Nice job Bernd. Thanks for doing this. 

Mark



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From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Sat Dec 13 21:37:44 2014
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 18:37:44 -0800
Subject: bug or feature in player filename?
Message-ID: <76AC845E-E0E2-4223-B92E-0A20EEEC57E7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>

I?m in version 6.7.0 on Macintosh. I?m not very good at searching for bugs, so it?s possible it?s a fixed bug.

If you set a player filename to an invalid filename, by hand or by script, the player seems to play the last valid filename entered, even though the invalid filename continues to display in the ?source? field.

It wouldn?t happen very often by hand, because normally one clicks on the button next to the ?source? field, to get a dialog box of filenames.

If you (I) don?t know about this, it can drive you (me) crazy when trying to figure out why a script isn?t working right.  To make the experience even more vexatious, the result is empty when you play the player, by click or script. If this is mentioned in the documentation, I can?t find it.

Bug or feature?

I tried to enter a note about this in the dictionary, but I don?t seem to be eligible to do that. Tried to log in or register, couldn?t manage it.

Comments?

Cheers,

Tim Miller


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 22:24:12 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:24:12 -0700
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the ideas and hints, some ideas finally triggered in my noggin
and I have a pretty good solution now.  Craig, yeah I love the idea. A
simple lookup table would work, especially since the motion of the objects
is a simple x,y thing, so a keyed array would make it simple.

I'm stubborn though, and want to generate a nice smooth transition (like my
own home built color wheel algorithm.)

The code (plus extra code that cycles the background color of a field just
to see the visual) follows.
-- constants for these.  Mainly so that if I want skewed colors like heavy
blue, I can tweak these.
constant kRed=255,kGreen=255,kBlue=255
on mouseUp

   repeat with i = 1 to 360 -- morph the color based on degrees
      put i mod 360 into tCurAngle
      put  round((colorshift(tCurAngle,0))* kRed) into tRed -- colorshift
function does all the work.

-- multiply the base color value by the factor returned from the colorshift
function
      put  round(( (colorshift(tCurAngle,240))) * kBlue ) into tBlue
      put round((colorshift(tCurAngle,120)) * kGreen) into tGreen
      set the backgroundcolor of field 3 to tRed,tGreen,tBlue
      wait 10 millisec with messages -- so you can more easily see the
changes

   end repeat
end mouseUp

-- this is the heavy lifting.  tcolorAngle is the angle that designates the
stronges
-- point of color intensity for that color. I've assigned, 0, 120, 240
function colorshift tCurAngle, tColorAngle
-- subtract tColorangle to "normalize"
-- then convert that angle to radians, which gives a factor between 0 and 1
-- which will then be used to adjust the color value itself
   put abs(sin((tCurAngle - tColorAngle) * pi / 180)) into tAdjustedAngle
   return tAdjustedAngle
end colorshift

>From there, it should be easy to adjust by velocity.  If initial values are
maxed at 200, that gives a 55 point per color scale that can be used for
intensity adjustments, which could be another factor multiplied uniformly
across all 3 rgb values.

I'm sure it can be simplified and cleaned up, but is working pretty well.

Thanks all for helping me get my head wrapped around this.

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey!  Simple and easy, Thanks much, will try and get it working tomorrow.
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/14 19:19, Mike Bonner wrote:
>>
>>> I have a quick question, its one of those that should be obvious, but i'm
>>> just not seeing it.
>>>
>>> What i'm playing with right now, is just a bunch of round grc moving on
>>> screen. (an adaption of the "swarm" sample stack created by scott rossi)
>>>   What I'd like to do, is modify the colors of of each ball based on
>>> direction and speed.  Sort of like a color wheel, zero speed or direction
>>> being the center of the wheel.  So, direction would affect color, and
>>> speed
>>> would affect the end color based on a gradient dark to light.
>>>
>>> I hope the explanation is clearer than mud.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions, or reading material that might help get me kickstarted?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>> I don't think that should be unduly difficult . . .
>>
>> For instance, one could leverage RGB codes so that, let us say, the
>> direction in degrees
>> could be signalled something like this:
>>
>> RRR= round (255/(360-DIR)
>> set the backgroundColor of grc "myFatBlob" to RRR,GGG,BBB
>>
>> where DIR is the direction in degrees, GGG is some number 0<GGG<256, and
>> so is BBB.
>>
>> Darkness could be worked out by having one's "Blobs" consist of a pair of
>> graphics (one on top of the other)
>> where the lower one is black. Speed could then be signalled by setting
>> the BLEND level of the top one.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 22:45:23 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:45:23 -0700
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh, just realized, due to the normalization, I only needed to cycle 1 to
180 to get the full color chart. DOH.  360 repeats. (since its basically,
seeing "how far" from a point on the circumference, based on degrees, 180
is the cap, and the abs() stuff makes dealing with negatives moot. )


On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the ideas and hints, some ideas finally triggered in my noggin
> and I have a pretty good solution now.  Craig, yeah I love the idea. A
> simple lookup table would work, especially since the motion of the objects
> is a simple x,y thing, so a keyed array would make it simple.
>
> I'm stubborn though, and want to generate a nice smooth transition (like
> my own home built color wheel algorithm.)
>
> The code (plus extra code that cycles the background color of a field just
> to see the visual) follows.
> -- constants for these.  Mainly so that if I want skewed colors like heavy
> blue, I can tweak these.
> constant kRed=255,kGreen=255,kBlue=255
> on mouseUp
>
>    repeat with i = 1 to 360 -- morph the color based on degrees
>       put i mod 360 into tCurAngle
>       put  round((colorshift(tCurAngle,0))* kRed) into tRed -- colorshift
> function does all the work.
>
> -- multiply the base color value by the factor returned from the
> colorshift function
>       put  round(( (colorshift(tCurAngle,240))) * kBlue ) into tBlue
>       put round((colorshift(tCurAngle,120)) * kGreen) into tGreen
>       set the backgroundcolor of field 3 to tRed,tGreen,tBlue
>       wait 10 millisec with messages -- so you can more easily see the
> changes
>
>    end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
> -- this is the heavy lifting.  tcolorAngle is the angle that designates
> the stronges
> -- point of color intensity for that color. I've assigned, 0, 120, 240
> function colorshift tCurAngle, tColorAngle
> -- subtract tColorangle to "normalize"
> -- then convert that angle to radians, which gives a factor between 0 and 1
> -- which will then be used to adjust the color value itself
>    put abs(sin((tCurAngle - tColorAngle) * pi / 180)) into tAdjustedAngle
>    return tAdjustedAngle
> end colorshift
>
> From there, it should be easy to adjust by velocity.  If initial values
> are maxed at 200, that gives a 55 point per color scale that can be used
> for intensity adjustments, which could be another factor multiplied
> uniformly across all 3 rgb values.
>
> I'm sure it can be simplified and cleaned up, but is working pretty well.
>
> Thanks all for helping me get my head wrapped around this.
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey!  Simple and easy, Thanks much, will try and get it working tomorrow.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/12/14 19:19, Mike Bonner wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a quick question, its one of those that should be obvious, but
>>>> i'm
>>>> just not seeing it.
>>>>
>>>> What i'm playing with right now, is just a bunch of round grc moving on
>>>> screen. (an adaption of the "swarm" sample stack created by scott rossi)
>>>>   What I'd like to do, is modify the colors of of each ball based on
>>>> direction and speed.  Sort of like a color wheel, zero speed or
>>>> direction
>>>> being the center of the wheel.  So, direction would affect color, and
>>>> speed
>>>> would affect the end color based on a gradient dark to light.
>>>>
>>>> I hope the explanation is clearer than mud.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions, or reading material that might help get me kickstarted?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't think that should be unduly difficult . . .
>>>
>>> For instance, one could leverage RGB codes so that, let us say, the
>>> direction in degrees
>>> could be signalled something like this:
>>>
>>> RRR= round (255/(360-DIR)
>>> set the backgroundColor of grc "myFatBlob" to RRR,GGG,BBB
>>>
>>> where DIR is the direction in degrees, GGG is some number 0<GGG<256, and
>>> so is BBB.
>>>
>>> Darkness could be worked out by having one's "Blobs" consist of a pair
>>> of graphics (one on top of the other)
>>> where the lower one is black. Speed could then be signalled by setting
>>> the BLEND level of the top one.
>>>
>>> Richmond.
>>>
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>>
>>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 04:17:45 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:17:45 +0200
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548D55B9.4050408@gmail.com>


On 12/14/2014 02:44 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> Is anyone else seeing these?  I haven't had this problem with any prior
> release.
>
> The only vaguely repeatable related event I've seen is that if I have an
> inspector open and change a custom property, it crashes if a piece of code
> tries to access that property before I leave the inspector.
>
> Yet another way that livecode eats 10-15 minutes of each hour of
> development . . .

Well, if you must work with a release candidate I honestly don't understand
why you are surprised there are problems.

I do ALL my development using Livecode 4.5!

Richmond.



From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Dec 14 06:21:03 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:21:03 +0000
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <548D55B9.4050408@gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<548D55B9.4050408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98160308-E42C-4B95-9B6A-A7F5D43E3CE7@mac.com>

Richmond, if you want more than a nodding acquaintance with Unicode, I think you have to shift to the various versions of LC7. I know SOMETHING could be done in Unicode before this, but not the things I (and I suppose many others) wanted to do, however modest.

 FWIW, none of the LC7 release candidates have crashed on me, although I have noticed some odd things, all acknowledged by the mother ship as bugs but not show-stoppers. Still I think the current rc perfectly capable of producing a publishable desktop standalone.

I suppose my mileage has varied- in a good way.

Graham

> On 14 Dec 2014, at 09:17, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 12/14/2014 02:44 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>> Is anyone else seeing these?  I haven't had this problem with any prior
>> release.
>> 
>> The only vaguely repeatable related event I've seen is that if I have an
>> inspector open and change a custom property, it crashes if a piece of code
>> tries to access that property before I leave the inspector.
>> 
>> Yet another way that livecode eats 10-15 minutes of each hour of
>> development . . .
> 
> Well, if you must work with a release candidate I honestly don't understand
> why you are surprised there are problems.
> 
> I do ALL my development using Livecode 4.5!
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Dec 14 06:30:28 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:30:28 +0000
Subject: Apple app upgrade advice
In-Reply-To: <1418491773176.fa938e34@Nodemailer>
References: <1418491773176.fa938e34@Nodemailer>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W962FBC8117CD5FBFEB6A4CED6E0@phx.gbl>

from liveCodes' mobile release notes...


When an application is installed on a phone (or in the simulator) a number of initial folders are
created for use by the application. You can locate the paths to these folders using the
specialFolderPath() function with the following selectors:

? home ? the (unique) folder containing the application bundle and its associated data and
folders

? documents ? the folder in which the application should store any document data (this folder
is backed up by iTunes on sync)

? cache ? the folder in which the application should store any transient data that needs to be
preserved between launches (this folder is not backed up by iTunes on sync)

? library ? the folder in which the application can store data of various types. In particular,
data private to the application should be stored in a folder named with the app's bundle
identifier inside library. (this folder is backed up by iTunes on sync).

? temporary ? the folder in which the application should store any temporary data that is not
needed between launches (this folder is not backed up by iTunes on sync)

? engine ? the folder containing the built standalone engine (i.e. the bundle). This is useful for
constructing paths to resources that have been copied into the bundle at build time.

In general you should only create files within the documents, cache, and temporary folders. Indeed,
be careful not to change or add any files within the application bundle. The application bundle is
digitally signed when it is built, and any changes to it after this point will invalidate the signature
and prevent it from launching.
36

> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 09:29:33 -0800
> From: ethanlish at gmail.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Apple app upgrade advice
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have a great deal of localization set in an iOS app and want to make sure I store it in the correct location so that it will persist a application upgrade. 
> 
> 
> Is there any documentation to assist / provide guidance like;
> - data stored on the stack will be lost with upgrades
> - data stored in SQLite database will be....if kept in the documents folder....
> - data stored in settings will be....
> 
> 
> Clearly data stored on a server can persist but I'm looking for local options 
> 

> Ethan at Lish.net240.876.1389

 		 	   		  

From eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr  Sun Dec 14 08:46:39 2014
From: eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr (=?utf-8?Q?=C3=89ric_Miclo?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:46:39 +0200
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECD62024-2717-439C-AEE9-231D5AD4B4D3@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

> Le 14 d?c. 2014 ? 02:44, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> 
> Is anyone else seeing these?  I haven't had this problem with any prior
> release.

Having the same problem.
Using unicode doesn?t allow me to work with a previous version of LC.

> 
> The only vaguely repeatable related event I've seen is that if I have an
> inspector open and change a custom property, it crashes if a piece of code
> tries to access that property before I leave the inspector.

The most crashes came when a loop was running, but not only.

> 
> Yet another way that livecode eats 10-15 minutes of each hour of
> development . . .

Sadly yes..

> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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?rIC


From dfepstein at comcast.net  Sun Dec 14 11:02:27 2014
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (David Epstein)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 11:02:27 -0500
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
Message-ID: <3FE352EE-5F86-499E-BE14-404450D90A81@comcast.net>

Is there a way to determine by script which version of LC?s file format an existing stack uses?  I see that I can set the file format version when saving a stack by setting the stackFileVersion, but I?d like to write a script that saves a stack and leaves unchanged its prior version.

Many thanks.

David Epstein


From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Dec 14 11:17:12 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:17:12 +0100
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
In-Reply-To: <3FE352EE-5F86-499E-BE14-404450D90A81@comcast.net>
References: <3FE352EE-5F86-499E-BE14-404450D90A81@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9DE8AD57-E4F4-4567-A79C-DACB484E2D26@major-k.de>

Hi David,

> Am 14.12.2014 um 17:02 schrieb David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net>:
> 
> Is there a way to determine by script which version of LC?s file format an existing stack uses?  
> I see that I can set the file format version when saving a stack by setting the stackFileVersion,
> but I?d like to write a script that saves a stack and leaves unchanged its prior version.

you can read and check the first 8 chars/bytes of the stack file! 
These will be:
REVO7000
for stacks saved with >=LC 7.x and:
REVO2700 
for stacks < 7.x

> Many thanks.
> 
> David Epstein

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 11:21:02 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:21:02 -0700
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
In-Reply-To: <9DE8AD57-E4F4-4567-A79C-DACB484E2D26@major-k.de>
References: <3FE352EE-5F86-499E-BE14-404450D90A81@comcast.net>
	<9DE8AD57-E4F4-4567-A79C-DACB484E2D26@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqcrwoF=sKyN_XFcOysMpvF4Cs_CazuaYo_5wTuMutFJw@mail.gmail.com>

You can also do a sneaky if you want to see the stackfileversion of one
stack from another.

you can: send "put the stackfileversion into <wherever you want it to go>"
to stack "stackname"

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> > Am 14.12.2014 um 17:02 schrieb David Epstein <dfepstein at comcast.net>:
> >
> > Is there a way to determine by script which version of LC?s file format
> an existing stack uses?
> > I see that I can set the file format version when saving a stack by
> setting the stackFileVersion,
> > but I?d like to write a script that saves a stack and leaves unchanged
> its prior version.
>
> you can read and check the first 8 chars/bytes of the stack file!
> These will be:
> REVO7000
> for stacks saved with >=LC 7.x and:
> REVO2700
> for stacks < 7.x
>
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > David Epstein
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 11:30:04 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:30:04 -0800
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <548D55B9.4050408@gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<548D55B9.4050408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEd9cZuRZhOaPNtXNOZNwWuEGCf1QvUiKW3O3DN5o3pHQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, if you must work with a release candidate I honestly don't understand
> why you are surprised there are problems.
>

Because "release candidate" means "more than beta; we think it's good to
go, but need to confirm"--whereas livecode "release candidates" are
mid-alpha to early beta?

I'm giving serious thought to going back to 5.5; the only thing I *need*
from 7 is the scaling to soom in/out of windows, and the only other feature
I'm using is pass by reference in some cases.

If I do roll back, though, it's not going to be to wait for 7, but to get
by until I figure out how to transfer my effort to another platform
entirely.

Frankly, If I could roll back the clock two and a half years, I'd choose
something else.  Supercard 1.5 and Hypercard 2.0, with the addition of
database support, could have handled what I need (I can say that with
certainty because I actually implemented essentially the same program on
both twenty years ago, using cards in a stack as the "database").
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From bodine at bodinetraininggames.com  Sun Dec 14 11:23:20 2014
From: bodine at bodinetraininggames.com (tbodine)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:23:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1418574200258-4686759.post@n4.nabble.com>

Richard,

Sorry for your woes. I'm finding LC7 RC3 quite stable so far. 

Two things I found helpful:
* Isolate LC7.x and any plug-ins, tool stacks and codebase stacks it uses on
a separate user account or machine from the same resources used for LC6. 
* Be mindful of stack format versions by checking "the stackFileVersion,"
because saving in earlier stack formats will wipe out any data/properties in
your stacks added by later versions. For example, the advanced field
properties introduced in LC5.5 are lost if the stackFileVersion is set
earlier than 5.5. 

Good luck with lucky 7.
Tom Bodine



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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 11:40:59 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:40:59 -0800
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <1418574200258-4686759.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418574200258-4686759.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSH7cP0EHf0Nrqmay+LYrTCsk7ewGwoiCCoiA+oCFCmvyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 8:23 AM, tbodine <bodine at bodinetraininggames.com>
wrote:

> Two things I found helpful:
> * Isolate LC7.x and any plug-ins, tool stacks and codebase stacks it uses
> on
> a separate user account or machine from the same resources used for LC6.
>
> I'm absolutely free of plugins and external stacks :)

And I don't even install 6.  I tried it, and the phantom strict-compile bug
was far, far worse.  So bad, in fact, that I would have to open stacks in
5.5 to recomplie, then reopen in 6 . . . (this also meant commenting out
the (then) three lines of code for pixel scaling).  Also, some things were
just *too* slow (there was a thread about something with a button that was
something like 400ms on 6 and 2ms on 5).

* Be mindful of stack format versions by checking "the stackFileVersion,"
> because saving in earlier stack formats will wipe out any data/properties
> in
> your stacks added by later versions. For example, the advanced field
> properties introduced in LC5.5 are lost if the stackFileVersion is set
> earlier than 5.5.
>

I haven't used any of them :)   The older properties would be retained,
wouldn't they?

All I want from unicode (or whatever) is to deal with stuff pasted in from
fools who used microsoft character sets on web pages or pdf documents meant
to be used on multiple platforms.
(particularly the section symbol and quotes)


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 14:16:40 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 21:16:40 +0200
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEd9cZuRZhOaPNtXNOZNwWuEGCf1QvUiKW3O3DN5o3pHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>	<548D55B9.4050408@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEd9cZuRZhOaPNtXNOZNwWuEGCf1QvUiKW3O3DN5o3pHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548DE218.9040804@gmail.com>

On 14/12/14 18:30, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, if you must work with a release candidate I honestly don't understand
>> why you are surprised there are problems.
>>
> Because "release candidate" means "more than beta; we think it's good to
> go, but need to confirm"--whereas livecode "release candidates" are
> mid-alpha to early beta?
>
> I'm giving serious thought to going back to 5.5; the only thing I *need*
> from 7 is the scaling to soom in/out of windows, and the only other feature
> I'm using is pass by reference in some cases.
>
> If I do roll back, though, it's not going to be to wait for 7, but to get
> by until I figure out how to transfer my effort to another platform
> entirely.

"wait for 7" sounds odd as we, supposedly, have "7" as a done deal already.

>
> Frankly, If I could roll back the clock two and a half years, I'd choose
> something else.  Supercard 1.5 and Hypercard 2.0, with the addition of
> database support, could have handled what I need (I can say that with
> certainty because I actually implemented essentially the same program on
> both twenty years ago, using cards in a stack as the "database").
I think your 'gripes' are because you have got onto the "constantly 
upgrading"
conveyor belt, which, in my experience causes little but grief.

My production work takes place on a 2005 G5 Macintosh running Livecode 
4.5 on Mac OS 10.5.8.

I do my "Livecode playtime" on a machine running a recent Linux version 
and all Open Source versions of LC
up to and including 7.0.1 rc3 - but I certainly would NOT transfer all 
my Pismo, Grendel and Devawriter code
to anything more than 4.5 which has served me extremely well for the 
last 5 years.

I am well aware that most people need something more contemporary than 
what I use,
but my advice would be to find something that works (e.g. LC 5.5) on a 
system that works, and
stick with it as long as possible.

If it ain't broke, don't fix, upgrade, or disturb it.

Richmond.

Richmond.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec 14 15:47:05 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:47:05 -0600
Subject: bug or feature in player filename?
In-Reply-To: <76AC845E-E0E2-4223-B92E-0A20EEEC57E7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
References: <76AC845E-E0E2-4223-B92E-0A20EEEC57E7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <548DF749.5060802@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/13/2014, 8:37 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
> I?m in version 6.7.0 on Macintosh. I?m not very good at searching for
> bugs, so it?s possible it?s a fixed bug.
>
> If you set a player filename to an invalid filename, by hand or by
> script, the player seems to play the last valid filename entered,
> even though the invalid filename continues to display in the ?source?
> field.
>
> It wouldn?t happen very often by hand, because normally one clicks on
> the button next to the ?source? field, to get a dialog box of
> filenames.
>
> If you (I) don?t know about this, it can drive you (me) crazy when
> trying to figure out why a script isn?t working right.  To make the
> experience even more vexatious, the result is empty when you play the
> player, by click or script. If this is mentioned in the
> documentation, I can?t find it.
>
> Bug or feature?

It seems like expected behavior. If the file path is wrong, nothing 
happens and the player retains whatever it was previously set to. If 
there was a filename set then it stays there. The engine doesn't remove 
the previous filename before trying to set a new one.

If you get "the result" after setting the filename from a script, it 
will tell you if the path is wrong; I think it says something like 
"unable to set movie reference" or similar. If you're typing it into the 
IDE manually via the inspector, delete the existing name first (and tab 
out of the field) to make sure the filename is empty, then try adding 
the new file name. If nothing happens, it's wrong.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Dec 14 16:00:00 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 16:00:00 -0500
Subject: [OT] Filemaker and Hindi
In-Reply-To: <858FD5A4-0AB4-4A4B-AB46-3FB0ABC1128B@verizon.net>
References: <858FD5A4-0AB4-4A4B-AB46-3FB0ABC1128B@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <997366EB-95BB-4759-993D-74767E51FE89@verizon.net>

Nobody replied to this question, so here?s an easier one:

You?re looking at an Excel spreadsheet, and can clearly see Hindi text in the cells. How do you get that text out of Excel? Copy and past doesn?t work, nor does exporting Unicode text.


> On Dec 2, 2014, at 7:29 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> >Some of you here are expert at Filemaker and also non-Roman languages. Any idea how to use Hindi text inside Filemaker? It seems to cope with Chinese, Japanese, and Thai, but apparently not Hindi. The text gets converted to scrambled Roman characters.




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 16:20:19 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:20:19 -0700
Subject: [OT] Filemaker and Hindi
In-Reply-To: <997366EB-95BB-4759-993D-74767E51FE89@verizon.net>
References: <858FD5A4-0AB4-4A4B-AB46-3FB0ABC1128B@verizon.net>
	<997366EB-95BB-4759-993D-74767E51FE89@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoSE1NcM_oMjNDsTB+PgiURqoWJ5yO-LT-SAZ0=dhDtEg@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if it would work, and I have no way to try it, but I think you
could set up the spreadsheet as an odbc datasource and pull from it using
lc database functionality.  Pretty sure that part work, but whether the
hindi would arrive intact is another question.

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Nobody replied to this question, so here?s an easier one:
>
> You?re looking at an Excel spreadsheet, and can clearly see Hindi text in
> the cells. How do you get that text out of Excel? Copy and past doesn?t
> work, nor does exporting Unicode text.
>
>
> > On Dec 2, 2014, at 7:29 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Some of you here are expert at Filemaker and also non-Roman languages.
> Any idea how to use Hindi text inside Filemaker? It seems to cope with
> Chinese, Japanese, and Thai, but apparently not Hindi. The text gets
> converted to scrambled Roman characters.
>
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Dec 14 16:20:58 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 16:20:58 -0500
Subject: [OT] Filemaker and Hindi
In-Reply-To: <997366EB-95BB-4759-993D-74767E51FE89@verizon.net>
References: <858FD5A4-0AB4-4A4B-AB46-3FB0ABC1128B@verizon.net>
	<997366EB-95BB-4759-993D-74767E51FE89@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CDD44863-BBFB-4FF1-A026-F996DCD22041@verizon.net>

Made a discovery. Copy and paste can work if you paste into the right program/ It seems that fonts that can show Roman, Chinese, Japanese, and Thai, cannot show Hindi. The solution may be to change the font to a Hindi one just when using Hindi, and leave it alone for all other languages.





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 16:47:51 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:47:51 -0700
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpWRVmQDbt1hcr=McMMBFWQC1uJ8Dnqe4NsNCDRqWR5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpWRVmQDbt1hcr=McMMBFWQC1uJ8Dnqe4NsNCDRqWR5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSojYv-T_puBkK2OvbdLCZn-ES1njjz8ouUaU+yt7apSZA@mail.gmail.com>

Last post on this, things are working well enough that I'm happy.  In case
anyone is interested, here is a link to a stack with 3 sliders, r, g, b
sliders so that the weight of each color can be adjusted during cycling.
All it does is change the background color of the card based on the sliders
and cycling through (figmentary)  angles.
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/colorphase.livecode

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, just realized, due to the normalization, I only needed to cycle 1 to
> 180 to get the full color chart. DOH.  360 repeats. (since its basically,
> seeing "how far" from a point on the circumference, based on degrees, 180
> is the cap, and the abs() stuff makes dealing with negatives moot. )
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the ideas and hints, some ideas finally triggered in my noggin
>> and I have a pretty good solution now.  Craig, yeah I love the idea. A
>> simple lookup table would work, especially since the motion of the objects
>> is a simple x,y thing, so a keyed array would make it simple.
>>
>> I'm stubborn though, and want to generate a nice smooth transition (like
>> my own home built color wheel algorithm.)
>>
>> The code (plus extra code that cycles the background color of a field
>> just to see the visual) follows.
>> -- constants for these.  Mainly so that if I want skewed colors like
>> heavy blue, I can tweak these.
>> constant kRed=255,kGreen=255,kBlue=255
>> on mouseUp
>>
>>    repeat with i = 1 to 360 -- morph the color based on degrees
>>       put i mod 360 into tCurAngle
>>       put  round((colorshift(tCurAngle,0))* kRed) into tRed -- colorshift
>> function does all the work.
>>
>> -- multiply the base color value by the factor returned from the
>> colorshift function
>>       put  round(( (colorshift(tCurAngle,240))) * kBlue ) into tBlue
>>       put round((colorshift(tCurAngle,120)) * kGreen) into tGreen
>>       set the backgroundcolor of field 3 to tRed,tGreen,tBlue
>>       wait 10 millisec with messages -- so you can more easily see the
>> changes
>>
>>    end repeat
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> -- this is the heavy lifting.  tcolorAngle is the angle that designates
>> the stronges
>> -- point of color intensity for that color. I've assigned, 0, 120, 240
>> function colorshift tCurAngle, tColorAngle
>> -- subtract tColorangle to "normalize"
>> -- then convert that angle to radians, which gives a factor between 0 and
>> 1
>> -- which will then be used to adjust the color value itself
>>    put abs(sin((tCurAngle - tColorAngle) * pi / 180)) into tAdjustedAngle
>>    return tAdjustedAngle
>> end colorshift
>>
>> From there, it should be easy to adjust by velocity.  If initial values
>> are maxed at 200, that gives a 55 point per color scale that can be used
>> for intensity adjustments, which could be another factor multiplied
>> uniformly across all 3 rgb values.
>>
>> I'm sure it can be simplified and cleaned up, but is working pretty well.
>>
>> Thanks all for helping me get my head wrapped around this.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey!  Simple and easy, Thanks much, will try and get it working
>>> tomorrow.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/12/14 19:19, Mike Bonner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a quick question, its one of those that should be obvious, but
>>>>> i'm
>>>>> just not seeing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> What i'm playing with right now, is just a bunch of round grc moving on
>>>>> screen. (an adaption of the "swarm" sample stack created by scott
>>>>> rossi)
>>>>>   What I'd like to do, is modify the colors of of each ball based on
>>>>> direction and speed.  Sort of like a color wheel, zero speed or
>>>>> direction
>>>>> being the center of the wheel.  So, direction would affect color, and
>>>>> speed
>>>>> would affect the end color based on a gradient dark to light.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope the explanation is clearer than mud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions, or reading material that might help get me
>>>>> kickstarted?
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I don't think that should be unduly difficult . . .
>>>>
>>>> For instance, one could leverage RGB codes so that, let us say, the
>>>> direction in degrees
>>>> could be signalled something like this:
>>>>
>>>> RRR= round (255/(360-DIR)
>>>> set the backgroundColor of grc "myFatBlob" to RRR,GGG,BBB
>>>>
>>>> where DIR is the direction in degrees, GGG is some number 0<GGG<256,
>>>> and so is BBB.
>>>>
>>>> Darkness could be worked out by having one's "Blobs" consist of a pair
>>>> of graphics (one on top of the other)
>>>> where the lower one is black. Speed could then be signalled by setting
>>>> the BLEND level of the top one.
>>>>
>>>> Richmond.
>>>>
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>>>
>>>


From vclement at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 17:01:22 2014
From: vclement at gmail.com (Vaughn Clement)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:01:22 -0700
Subject: [OT] Filemaker and Hindi
In-Reply-To: <CDD44863-BBFB-4FF1-A026-F996DCD22041@verizon.net>
References: <858FD5A4-0AB4-4A4B-AB46-3FB0ABC1128B@verizon.net>
	<997366EB-95BB-4759-993D-74767E51FE89@verizon.net>
	<CDD44863-BBFB-4FF1-A026-F996DCD22041@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAP6oXhbQh3wnctt9J-iKRtYhvhpx8q6O22s07Ax1Qpo1_s0g1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Colin

Are you trying to use Hindi for the FileMaker screen text, or in the fields
where the user adds data?

Option 1

I add a global field example _Text Header to the layout using a "Merge
Field", then I use a calculation to equal the value assigned and assign
that value from a field with the name I want the Merge field to contain.
Then on a layout I call the language translation screen, I collect both the
merge field and the field that will get the text I want to use on the
layout. When you type the language (any language) in the text field, the
merge global will display that text.

Option 2

If you want all of the text in the program in a different language, set the
language text for FileMaker (Preferences, Fonts, then select the text font
to be used.) If you have the original install DVD the language files are on
that DVD. If you don't have the disc, go to FileMaker.com/support and
download the country language fonts you want to use.

Option 3

Localization of the OS, by setting the language for your OS to the language
required, all test will be set to the local country.

Thank you

Vaughn Clement

On Target Solutions LLC (Support)
On Target Solutions LLC Website: http://www.ontargetsolutions.biz
Email: ontargetsolutions at yahoo.com
Skype: vaughn.clement

FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
Ph. 928-254-9062


On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Made a discovery. Copy and paste can work if you paste into the right
> program/ It seems that fonts that can show Roman, Chinese, Japanese, and
> Thai, cannot show Hindi. The solution may be to change the font to a Hindi
> one just when using Hindi, and leave it alone for all other languages.
>
>
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sun Dec 14 17:08:34 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:08:34 -0500
Subject: [OT] Filemaker and Hindi
In-Reply-To: <CAP6oXhbQh3wnctt9J-iKRtYhvhpx8q6O22s07Ax1Qpo1_s0g1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <858FD5A4-0AB4-4A4B-AB46-3FB0ABC1128B@verizon.net>
	<997366EB-95BB-4759-993D-74767E51FE89@verizon.net>
	<CDD44863-BBFB-4FF1-A026-F996DCD22041@verizon.net>
	<CAP6oXhbQh3wnctt9J-iKRtYhvhpx8q6O22s07Ax1Qpo1_s0g1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A4FF9D31-3271-4A0C-955E-31E6858BB762@verizon.net>

Thanks for the ideas. The final text ends up in an XML export. We see Hindi in the Excel spreadsheet that the translators are providing, but it ends up as scrambled Roman characters in Filemaker. I think though that those characters will end up looking right if I set the font to a Hindi one. One complication is that some of the Roman characters end up being XML markup characters, which breaks the XML. I can solve that by putting Hindi entries inside CDATA tags. It?s a shame though to have to go to that trouble when other non-Roman languages are working fine.


> On Dec 14, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Vaughn Clement <vclement at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin
> 
> Are you trying to use Hindi for the FileMaker screen text, or in the fields
> where the user adds data?
> 
> Option 1
> 
> I add a global field example _Text Header to the layout using a "Merge
> Field", then I use a calculation to equal the value assigned and assign
> that value from a field with the name I want the Merge field to contain.
> Then on a layout I call the language translation screen, I collect both the
> merge field and the field that will get the text I want to use on the
> layout. When you type the language (any language) in the text field, the
> merge global will display that text.
> 
> Option 2
> 
> If you want all of the text in the program in a different language, set the
> language text for FileMaker (Preferences, Fonts, then select the text font
> to be used.) If you have the original install DVD the language files are on
> that DVD. If you don't have the disc, go to FileMaker.com/support and
> download the country language fonts you want to use.
> 
> Option 3
> 
> Localization of the OS, by setting the language for your OS to the language
> required, all test will be set to the local country.
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Vaughn Clement
> 
> On Target Solutions LLC (Support)
> On Target Solutions LLC Website: http://www.ontargetsolutions.biz
> Email: ontargetsolutions at yahoo.com
> Skype: vaughn.clement
> 
> FaceTime: vclement at gmail.com
> Ph. 928-254-9062
> 
> 
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Made a discovery. Copy and paste can work if you paste into the right
>> program/ It seems that fonts that can show Roman, Chinese, Japanese, and
>> Thai, cannot show Hindi. The solution may be to change the font to a Hindi
>> one just when using Hindi, and leave it alone for all other languages.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 20:01:21 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:01:21 -0800
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <548DE218.9040804@gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<548D55B9.4050408@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEd9cZuRZhOaPNtXNOZNwWuEGCf1QvUiKW3O3DN5o3pHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<548DE218.9040804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGDMfTJaksgZgbaj=qLMD5Sw1bBb5EhotJymO1zS0MiOQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 14/12/14 18:30, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>
>>
>>

> If I do roll back, though, it's not going to be to wait for 7, but to get
>> by until I figure out how to transfer my effort to another platform
>> entirely.
>>
>
> "wait for 7" sounds odd as we, supposedly, have "7" as a done deal already.


"supposedly" being the magic word.  Calling any 7 to date "beta" would be
geerous, at best.



> Frankly, If I could roll back the clock two and a half years, I'd choose
>
>> something else.  Supercard 1.5 and Hypercard 2.0, with the addition of
>> database support, could have handled what I need (I can say that with
>> certainty because I actually implemented essentially the same program on
>> both twenty years ago, using cards in a stack as the "database").
>>
> I think your 'gripes' are because you have got onto the "constantly
> upgrading"
> conveyor belt, which, in my experience causes little but grief.
>
> My production work takes place on a 2005 G5 Macintosh running Livecode 4.5
> on Mac OS 10.5.8.
>
> I do my "Livecode playtime" on a machine running a recent Linux version
> and all Open Source versions of LC
> up to and including 7.0.1 rc3 - but I certainly would NOT transfer all my
> Pismo, Grendel and Devawriter code
> to anything more than 4.5 which has served me extremely well for the last
> 5 years.
>

I have no "playtime" for livecode; this is pure production work, replacing
something that worked for my own use.  *I* can do more with a spreadsheet
than I ever could with livecode or another pure programming platform; I
bought livecoe to implement for other people.  My purposes are purely
commercial, and I had no qualms about the $1k/year for the developer
license & suppot.

And then with kickstarterer, the working and stable version--for which I'm
licensed forever--is pretty much abandoned; end of life from before the
extra years.



>
> I am well aware that most people need something more contemporary than
> what I use,
> but my advice would be to find something that works (e.g. LC 5.5) on a
> system that works, and
> stick with it as long as possible.
>

At which point there's no reason for my having continued with newer
licenses . . .

If livecode wants to be  *commercial* license rather than a toy, it needs
to put out commercial grade software.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Sun Dec 14 23:24:03 2014
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:24:03 -0800
Subject: bug or feature in player filename?
In-Reply-To: <548DF749.5060802@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <76AC845E-E0E2-4223-B92E-0A20EEEC57E7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
	<548DF749.5060802@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BE2F176E-0045-4528-87B9-B361EA894CB7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>

Thanks Jacque,

> On Dec 14, 2014, at 12:47 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> It seems like expected behavior. If the file path is wrong, nothing happens and the player retains whatever it was previously set to. If there was a filename set then it stays there. The engine doesn't remove the previous filename before trying to set a new one.


> If you get "the result" after setting the filename from a script, it will tell you if the path is wrong; I think it says something like "unable to set movie reference" or similar.

Well, that?s good. I didn?t think of that.

If you use a script to ?start? the player, with an incorrect filename in the ?source? field, entered manually or by script, the player will play some other correct filename, and the result of the ?start? command will be empty. In a more perfect world, the result of the start command might give the user a clue about what has gone wrong.

Tim





From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon Dec 15 03:03:19 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:03:19 +0100
Subject: AW: OT: Mac installer rights?
In-Reply-To: <548C7490.5090406@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <009101d01625$d940ad80$8bc20880$@kestner.de>	<548B3265.3030507@hyperactivesw.com>	<001501d016c5$56db10b0$04913210$@kestner.de>	<0CF38E7E-2908-4A6C-9410-7A2425173ED5@hyperactivesw.com>
	<548C7490.5090406@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <004c01d0183d$974b98d0$c5e2ca70$@kestner.de>

Hi Mark,
I am using installer maker 1.8.7. Where do I find the admin option? Is it an option in the installer maker, or do you mean right click the finished installer? In my case it doesn't asks me for admin credentials.
And just for my interest. Is there a technical explanation for different rights/behaviour if you copy files manually with the same user and in the same dir from a dmg file or start an installer to let do it for you?
Thanks, Tiemo


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Schonewille
Gesendet: Samstag, 13. Dezember 2014 18:17
An: How to use LiveCode
Betreff: Re: OT: Mac installer rights?

Hi Tiemo,

I assume your installer has been signed. Installer Maker's Help section is far from complete, but there is a suggestion there about starting the app with admin rights. You might try that.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
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Installer Maker for LiveCode:
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On 12/13/2014 18:02, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> The user probably has their security settings set to the default,  which disallows installation except from the Mac App Store. The second level of security allows third party installations but only if they are code signed. The third level allows anything.
>
> You can tell the user to change the setting to allow installation from anywhere,. For a novice user this can compromise the security of the machine, so they may want to set it back to the default after installation.
>
> On December 13, 2014 5:10:00 AM CST, Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
>> Hi Jacque,
>> thanks for your comments. That is funny, because I am using Mark  
>>Schonewilles Installer Maker since years without any problems and also  
>>with  this product it installs my LC prog as expected on all of my 
>>clients  Macs from OS X 10.5 to 10.10. This is the only one (on 
>>10.9.5), where this  phenomenon happened, so I think there must be 
>>something being messed up  on  the machine.
>> Tiemo
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im 
>> Auftrag von J. Landman Gay
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 12. Dezember 2014 19:22
>> An: How to use LiveCode
>> Betreff: Re: OT: Mac installer rights?
>>
>> On 12/12/2014, 10:08 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
>>> My question to the Mac guys: What is the difference concerning
>> writing
>>> rights when the same user creates manually folders and files or lets 
>>> an installer do that for him? Is there on Mac something similar as 
>>> on
>>
>>> Windows like "run as Admin" to try to lift the user rights? Or is
>> here
>>> something completely messed up? I have never experienced this before.
>>
>> It is part of the Mac OS sandboxing, which prevents software from 
>> writing files to locations outside of its own folders. This prevents 
>> malware from writing to disk in areas it does not control.
>>
>> Except for certain drivers and extensions, OS X does not use 
>> installers, and users do not expect one. The user simply drags the 
>> app bundle to the applications folder. You can zip the app if you 
>> like, and the user can unzip it and drag it into the folder. Or 
>> commonly apps ship in dmg files (a virtual device image.) These are 
>> easy to create with various Mac utilities such as Drop DMG. Most 
>> users are familiar with dmg files.
>

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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 03:41:39 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:41:39 +0200
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGDMfTJaksgZgbaj=qLMD5Sw1bBb5EhotJymO1zS0MiOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>	<548D55B9.4050408@gmail.com>	<CANQHZSEd9cZuRZhOaPNtXNOZNwWuEGCf1QvUiKW3O3DN5o3pHQ@mail.gmail.com>	<548DE218.9040804@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGDMfTJaksgZgbaj=qLMD5Sw1bBb5EhotJymO1zS0MiOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548E9EC3.1080005@gmail.com>


On 12/15/2014 03:01 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 14/12/14 18:30, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
>>
>> If I do roll back, though, it's not going to be to wait for 7, but to get
>>> by until I figure out how to transfer my effort to another platform
>>> entirely.
>>>
>> "wait for 7" sounds odd as we, supposedly, have "7" as a done deal already.
>
> "supposedly" being the magic word.  Calling any 7 to date "beta" would be
> geerous, at best.
>
>
>
>> Frankly, If I could roll back the clock two and a half years, I'd choose
>>
>>> something else.  Supercard 1.5 and Hypercard 2.0, with the addition of
>>> database support, could have handled what I need (I can say that with
>>> certainty because I actually implemented essentially the same program on
>>> both twenty years ago, using cards in a stack as the "database").
>>>
>> I think your 'gripes' are because you have got onto the "constantly
>> upgrading"
>> conveyor belt, which, in my experience causes little but grief.
>>
>> My production work takes place on a 2005 G5 Macintosh running Livecode 4.5
>> on Mac OS 10.5.8.
>>
>> I do my "Livecode playtime" on a machine running a recent Linux version
>> and all Open Source versions of LC
>> up to and including 7.0.1 rc3 - but I certainly would NOT transfer all my
>> Pismo, Grendel and Devawriter code
>> to anything more than 4.5 which has served me extremely well for the last
>> 5 years.
>>
> I have no "playtime" for livecode; this is pure production work, replacing
> something that worked for my own use.  *I* can do more with a spreadsheet
> than I ever could with livecode or another pure programming platform; I
> bought livecoe to implement for other people.  My purposes are purely
> commercial, and I had no qualms about the $1k/year for the developer
> license & suppot.
>
> And then with kickstarterer, the working and stable version--for which I'm
> licensed forever--is pretty much abandoned; end of life from before the
> extra years.
>
>
>
>> I am well aware that most people need something more contemporary than
>> what I use,
>> but my advice would be to find something that works (e.g. LC 5.5) on a
>> system that works, and
>> stick with it as long as possible.
>>
> At which point there's no reason for my having continued with newer
> licenses . . .

Indeed. And if enough people don't pay for commercial licenses RunRev might
start to "feel the pinch" and pull themselves together to consolidate an
existing release rather than pelting hell-for-leather towards the 
"bright new future".

The other alternative is to keep selling a version 'down' in the fives 
and only releasing stuff
in the sevens as Open Source until they have tuned things to a 
commercial standard: but
that is going to cripple RunRev's cashflow.

>
> If livecode wants to be  *commercial* license rather than a toy, it needs
> to put out commercial grade software.
>
>

'Tis true, me dear!

Richmond.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 15 10:27:10 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 07:27:10 -0800
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <548E9EC3.1080005@gmail.com>
References: <548E9EC3.1080005@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548EFDCE.5090305@fourthworld.com>

I was going to see if I could help triage these crash reports, but going 
back through the posts here I was unable to turn up the one with the bug 
report numbers.

If you could kindly post those I'll see if I can confirm them and do 
what I can to help steward them through the process.

To assist this process, it would be helpful if the submitter of those 
bug reports could check to see if the recipe provided still exhibits the 
error in v7.0.1rc4.

TIA -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at livecode.org



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Dec 15 10:40:42 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:40:42 +0000
Subject: [New] BPG Image Format
In-Reply-To: <1418432570987-4686732.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1418432570987-4686732.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <EE2BD479-374F-466A-B166-45ADA61F9C3A@iotecdigital.com>

Some years back, I took a tiff file, printed it out on a color proofing device, then saved it as a JPEG file with medium compression and printed it again. From a small distance, our graphics artist could not tell which image was which or see a difference. Up close however, his trained eye could see minute variations in the JPEG image.

I wonder if he could have seen the difference using low JPEG compression. I guess my point is, if it takes a trained eye to tell the difference, how much ?better? can better be? It might be like trying to produce a higher resolution display than a retina display. The difference becomes purely academic at some point.

Now as far as file size, if they can achieve same size or smaller than JPEG with a noticeable improvement in quality, why then that is something.

Bob S


On Dec 12, 2014, at 17:02 , Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at gmail.com<mailto:capellan2000 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi All,

Check this new image format:
http://bellard.org/bpg/
http://bellard.org/bpg/gallery2.html
http://bellard.org/bpg/lena.html

Interesting enough, this new image format
looks a lot better than JPEG and have
an impressive compression advantage
compared with PNG...

Have a weekend!

Al


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Dec 15 10:44:45 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:44:45 +0000
Subject: Port designation in URL
In-Reply-To: <548BC7E6.3000609@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <548BC7E6.3000609@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7D87CCE8-1433-40C7-BFF4-D8F1A6A67519@iotecdigital.com>

Hi Jacque.

In all IP communications, not only is the address the IP part, but there is also a port number associated with it. You don?t often see it because this information is added on later using the default port for whatever protocol. For instance, port 80 is the HTTP port. 21 and 22 is FTP. 465 is SSL and so forth.

Now if you were to use another port, 81 for HTTP for example, you would have to explicitly put that in the URL: http://www.slylabs.com:81/support

(That?s not a real URL btw so don?t click it.) There are a maximum number of usable ports, 65535 to be exact. The URL you have is obviously higher than that and BTW has a LETTER I in it! Yeah, that URL is bogus.

Bob S


On Dec 12, 2014, at 21:00 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>> wrote:

A little off topic, but does anyone know what the pipe means in a url in this format:

www. domain.com<http://domain.com/>:443|6928

It's coming back in the error response from a POST request and the request times out. What does the second port number mean, if that's what it is?

--
Jacqueline Landman Gay


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Dec 15 10:45:51 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:45:51 +0000
Subject: Port designation in URL
In-Reply-To: <548BC7E6.3000609@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <548BC7E6.3000609@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F9BC6A03-C246-4E1C-B2C7-F7C735AA7988@iotecdigital.com>

It?s a pipe?? OIC. In that case I am going to say someone meant to type a backslash and had the shift key down instead.

Bob S


On Dec 12, 2014, at 21:00 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>> wrote:

It's coming back in the error response from a POST request and the request times out. What does the second port number mean, if that's what it is?


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 10:47:26 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:47:26 -0700
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSojYv-T_puBkK2OvbdLCZn-ES1njjz8ouUaU+yt7apSZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpWRVmQDbt1hcr=McMMBFWQC1uJ8Dnqe4NsNCDRqWR5BQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSojYv-T_puBkK2OvbdLCZn-ES1njjz8ouUaU+yt7apSZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpHBz4HW7nYAOqxFJqUXMzE6QA59Oo1O256NegKuC3RKA@mail.gmail.com>

ok, so I lied. I keep making adjustments to how the color generation works,
but to get the results I want.. i'm lost again.

Currently, if I want to find "red", I can get a factor for red where
abs(sin((tCurAngle - tColorAngle) * pi / 180))  (cur angle is 0, color
angle is also 0, factor returned is 0)  Then do 255 - (255 * factor) so the
value for red is 255.

But for the other 2 colors, I need to return a factor of 1 so that they are
completely removed so that the primary color is the only one left.   To do
this requires a current angle offset from the designated color angle to be
90 degrees.  So for example, green is 60, to get a factor of 1, the current
angle would have to be 150, and for blue it would have to be 30 on my
imaginary, impossible number circle.

I can fix this by setting my colors to 0, 90, 180. (again, only using half
the circle)  But doing it this way, I end up with grey between cycles, so
there is a nice solid sequence of reds, then grey,then green, then grey,
then blue, repeat.

So, what I need to figure out, is a way to weight things, so that the
closer 1 color gets to 255, then more reduction affect there is on the
other 2 colors.

Any suggestions?



On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Last post on this, things are working well enough that I'm happy.  In case
> anyone is interested, here is a link to a stack with 3 sliders, r, g, b
> sliders so that the weight of each color can be adjusted during cycling.
> All it does is change the background color of the card based on the sliders
> and cycling through (figmentary)  angles.
>  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11957935/colorphase.livecode
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, just realized, due to the normalization, I only needed to cycle 1 to
>> 180 to get the full color chart. DOH.  360 repeats. (since its basically,
>> seeing "how far" from a point on the circumference, based on degrees, 180
>> is the cap, and the abs() stuff makes dealing with negatives moot. )
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the ideas and hints, some ideas finally triggered in my
>>> noggin and I have a pretty good solution now.  Craig, yeah I love the idea.
>>> A simple lookup table would work, especially since the motion of the
>>> objects is a simple x,y thing, so a keyed array would make it simple.
>>>
>>> I'm stubborn though, and want to generate a nice smooth transition (like
>>> my own home built color wheel algorithm.)
>>>
>>> The code (plus extra code that cycles the background color of a field
>>> just to see the visual) follows.
>>> -- constants for these.  Mainly so that if I want skewed colors like
>>> heavy blue, I can tweak these.
>>> constant kRed=255,kGreen=255,kBlue=255
>>> on mouseUp
>>>
>>>    repeat with i = 1 to 360 -- morph the color based on degrees
>>>       put i mod 360 into tCurAngle
>>>       put  round((colorshift(tCurAngle,0))* kRed) into tRed --
>>> colorshift function does all the work.
>>>
>>> -- multiply the base color value by the factor returned from the
>>> colorshift function
>>>       put  round(( (colorshift(tCurAngle,240))) * kBlue ) into tBlue
>>>       put round((colorshift(tCurAngle,120)) * kGreen) into tGreen
>>>       set the backgroundcolor of field 3 to tRed,tGreen,tBlue
>>>       wait 10 millisec with messages -- so you can more easily see the
>>> changes
>>>
>>>    end repeat
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> -- this is the heavy lifting.  tcolorAngle is the angle that designates
>>> the stronges
>>> -- point of color intensity for that color. I've assigned, 0, 120, 240
>>> function colorshift tCurAngle, tColorAngle
>>> -- subtract tColorangle to "normalize"
>>> -- then convert that angle to radians, which gives a factor between 0
>>> and 1
>>> -- which will then be used to adjust the color value itself
>>>    put abs(sin((tCurAngle - tColorAngle) * pi / 180)) into tAdjustedAngle
>>>    return tAdjustedAngle
>>> end colorshift
>>>
>>> From there, it should be easy to adjust by velocity.  If initial values
>>> are maxed at 200, that gives a 55 point per color scale that can be used
>>> for intensity adjustments, which could be another factor multiplied
>>> uniformly across all 3 rgb values.
>>>
>>> I'm sure it can be simplified and cleaned up, but is working pretty well.
>>>
>>> Thanks all for helping me get my head wrapped around this.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey!  Simple and easy, Thanks much, will try and get it working
>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/12/14 19:19, Mike Bonner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a quick question, its one of those that should be obvious, but
>>>>>> i'm
>>>>>> just not seeing it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What i'm playing with right now, is just a bunch of round grc moving
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> screen. (an adaption of the "swarm" sample stack created by scott
>>>>>> rossi)
>>>>>>   What I'd like to do, is modify the colors of of each ball based on
>>>>>> direction and speed.  Sort of like a color wheel, zero speed or
>>>>>> direction
>>>>>> being the center of the wheel.  So, direction would affect color, and
>>>>>> speed
>>>>>> would affect the end color based on a gradient dark to light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope the explanation is clearer than mud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestions, or reading material that might help get me
>>>>>> kickstarted?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think that should be unduly difficult . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance, one could leverage RGB codes so that, let us say, the
>>>>> direction in degrees
>>>>> could be signalled something like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> RRR= round (255/(360-DIR)
>>>>> set the backgroundColor of grc "myFatBlob" to RRR,GGG,BBB
>>>>>
>>>>> where DIR is the direction in degrees, GGG is some number 0<GGG<256,
>>>>> and so is BBB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Darkness could be worked out by having one's "Blobs" consist of a pair
>>>>> of graphics (one on top of the other)
>>>>> where the lower one is black. Speed could then be signalled by setting
>>>>> the BLEND level of the top one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richmond.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Dec 15 10:48:23 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:48:23 +0000
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEd9cZuRZhOaPNtXNOZNwWuEGCf1QvUiKW3O3DN5o3pHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
	<548D55B9.4050408@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEd9cZuRZhOaPNtXNOZNwWuEGCf1QvUiKW3O3DN5o3pHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FC3D2B5-1D43-41E1-BA67-093B282741B2@iotecdigital.com>

See ya.

Bob S


On Dec 14, 2014, at 08:30 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com<mailto:dochawk at gmail.com>> wrote:

If I do roll back, though, it's not going to be to wait for 7, but to get
by until I figure out how to transfer my effort to another platform
entirely.



From eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr  Mon Dec 15 10:51:26 2014
From: eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr (=?utf-8?Q?=C3=89ric_Miclo?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:51:26 +0200
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <548EFDCE.5090305@fourthworld.com>
References: <548E9EC3.1080005@gmail.com> <548EFDCE.5090305@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8774C914-B4C0-4B78-949B-E092655E6359@wanadoo.fr>

Bug 14218 

?rIC

-- My NeXT computer will Be a Mac too! --

> Le 15 d?c. 2014 ? 17:27, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> a ?crit :
> 
> I was going to see if I could help triage these crash reports, but going back through the posts here I was unable to turn up the one with the bug report numbers.
> 
> If you could kindly post those I'll see if I can confirm them and do what I can to help steward them through the process.
> 
> To assist this process, it would be helpful if the submitter of those bug reports could check to see if the recipe provided still exhibits the error in v7.0.1rc4.
> 
> TIA -
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> LiveCode Community Manager
> richard at livecode.org
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 15 11:05:59 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:05:59 -0800
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <8774C914-B4C0-4B78-949B-E092655E6359@wanadoo.fr>
References: <8774C914-B4C0-4B78-949B-E092655E6359@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <548F06E7.7010804@fourthworld.com>

?ric Miclo wrote:
 > Bug 14218

Thank you, ?ric.

Submitted this morning and confirmed within hours of your submitting the 
example stack, hopefully this will be addressed in RC5.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at livecode.org




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 15 11:16:06 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:16:06 -0600
Subject: Port designation in URL
In-Reply-To: <F9BC6A03-C246-4E1C-B2C7-F7C735AA7988@iotecdigital.com>
References: <548BC7E6.3000609@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F9BC6A03-C246-4E1C-B2C7-F7C735AA7988@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <C7B0AFD6-B0A3-4818-A540-891BA24FDA1E@hyperactivesw.com>

I think Mike nailed it. The error is being reported by libURL in this case, and the numbers following the pipe are the name it assigns to the socket so it can keep track of the responses. 

On December 15, 2014 9:45:51 AM CST, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>It?s a pipe?? OIC. In that case I am going to say someone meant to type
>a backslash and had the shift key down instead.
>
>Bob S
>
>
>On Dec 12, 2014, at 21:00 , J. Landman Gay
><jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>> wrote:
>
>It's coming back in the error response from a POST request and the
>request times out. What does the second port number mean, if that's
>what it is?
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Dec 15 11:36:45 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:36:45 +0000
Subject: Port designation in URL
In-Reply-To: <C7B0AFD6-B0A3-4818-A540-891BA24FDA1E@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <548BC7E6.3000609@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F9BC6A03-C246-4E1C-B2C7-F7C735AA7988@iotecdigital.com>
	<C7B0AFD6-B0A3-4818-A540-891BA24FDA1E@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D06D2A68-E4E8-4231-82D3-4B6DE3111C1F@iotecdigital.com>

I learn something new everyday. I?ll probably need that bit of information at some point. Hopefully my memory won?t fail me. 

Bob S


> On Dec 15, 2014, at 08:16 , J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
> I think Mike nailed it. The error is being reported by libURL in this case, and the numbers following the pipe are the name it assigns to the socket so it can keep track of the responses. 
> 
> On December 15, 2014 9:45:51 AM CST, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>> It?s a pipe?? OIC. In that case I am going to say someone meant to type
>> a backslash and had the shift key down instead.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 21:00 , J. Landman Gay
>> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com<mailto:jacque at hyperactivesw.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> It's coming back in the error response from a POST request and the
>> request times out. What does the second port number mean, if that's
>> what it is?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 11:45:13 2014
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolomazza)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:45:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEtQnPc1enh=HD--=6xhZVx5A1XCJZfsEZ_uj2ng8p1Nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1418661913024-4686783.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Richard ,
i think I experienced something similar.

I filed this bug and I published a video, see

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14210

All the best

Paolo Mazza



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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 15 12:12:28 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:12:28 -0800
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <1418661913024-4686783.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <1418661913024-4686783.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <548F167C.8010901@fourthworld.com>

Paolo Mazza wrote:
> Hi Richard ,
> i think I experienced something similar.
>
> I filed this bug and I published a video, see
>
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14210

Thank you for submitting that report.  Very encouraging to see that 
while it was submitted only Friday, it's already marked as "Fixed - 
Awaiting Build".

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at livecode.org



From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 12:43:58 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:43:58 -0800
Subject: 7.0 can't parse group "someGroup" of (an id)
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a variable with group ids in it.

I then try something like

      put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   ( line 3 of grNms ))

(with variations on the parenthesis).

7.0.1-RC3 replies that there is an unquoted literal near name.

I am having to first manually put the name together in a variable, and then
take the ID of that.
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 15 12:48:58 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:48:58 -0600
Subject: 7.0 can't parse group "someGroup" of (an id)
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13D23C5E-0B8F-4BA5-9B7B-E129926E7DBC@hyperactivesw.com>

What is in line 3 of grpNums, specifically? I can't think of any content offhand that would parse correctly. 

On December 15, 2014 11:43:58 AM CST, "Dr. Hawkins" <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>I have a variable with group ids in it.
>
>I then try something like
>
>      put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   ( line 3 of grNms ))
>
>(with variations on the parenthesis).
>
>7.0.1-RC3 replies that there is an unquoted literal near name.
>
>I am having to first manually put the name together in a variable, and
>then
>take the ID of that.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 15 12:51:32 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:51:32 -0800
Subject: 7.0 can't parse group "someGroup" of (an id)
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548F1FA4.9030105@fourthworld.com>

Dr. Hawkins wrote:

> I have a variable with group ids in it.
>
> I then try something like
>
>       put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   ( line 3 of grNms ))
>
> (with variations on the parenthesis).
>
> 7.0.1-RC3 replies that there is an unquoted literal near name.
>
> I am having to first manually put the name together in a variable, and then
> take the ID of that.

What is the most recent version in which that worked?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Dec 15 12:58:27 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:58:27 +0000
Subject: 7.0 can't parse group "someGroup" of (an id)
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DBE60299-6D37-4153-830C-48F507C9E0FE@iotecdigital.com>

What is grNms? What does it contain? If they are only ID?s then your statement would resolve to something like:

put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   (123456))

You can see the problem. Now if it contains rows of the long id?s of those groups, then your statement might resolve to something like:

put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   (group id 2571 of card id 1002 of stack ?myStack"))

Is group ?rawRow? contained in group id 2571 of card id 1002 of stack ?myStack"? If not then that also is a problem. 

What I usually do to make troubleshooting simpler is I put every value I am going to enter into a statement into a variable first. In your case you can use a breakpoint before the statement and examine the contents of grNms to see if it contains what you think it does. 

Bob S

 
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 09:43 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a variable with group ids in it.
> 
> I then try something like
> 
>      put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   ( line 3 of grNms ))
> 
> (with variations on the parenthesis).
> 
> 7.0.1-RC3 replies that there is an unquoted literal near name.
> 
> I am having to first manually put the name together in a variable, and then
> take the ID of that.
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 13:49:11 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:49:11 +0200
Subject: frequent crashes under 7.0.1-RC3
In-Reply-To: <548EFDCE.5090305@fourthworld.com>
References: <548E9EC3.1080005@gmail.com> <548EFDCE.5090305@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <548F2D27.5050503@gmail.com>

On 15/12/14 17:27, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> I was going to see if I could help triage these crash reports, but 
> going back through the posts here I was unable to turn up the one with 
> the bug report numbers.
>
> If you could kindly post those I'll see if I can confirm them and do 
> what I can to help steward them through the process.
>
> To assist this process, it would be helpful if the submitter of those 
> bug reports could check to see if the recipe provided still exhibits 
> the error in v7.0.1rc4.

That's going to be a tough call as rc4 hasn't been released yet.

Richmond.

>
> TIA -
>




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 13:51:10 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:51:10 +0200
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpHBz4HW7nYAOqxFJqUXMzE6QA59Oo1O256NegKuC3RKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAG1cpSpWRVmQDbt1hcr=McMMBFWQC1uJ8Dnqe4NsNCDRqWR5BQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAG1cpSojYv-T_puBkK2OvbdLCZn-ES1njjz8ouUaU+yt7apSZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpHBz4HW7nYAOqxFJqUXMzE6QA59Oo1O256NegKuC3RKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548F2D9E.6060507@gmail.com>

On 15/12/14 17:47, Mike Bonner wrote:
> ok, so I lied. I keep making adjustments to how the color generation works,
> but to get the results I want.. i'm lost again.
>
> Currently, if I want to find "red", I can get a factor for red where
> abs(sin((tCurAngle - tColorAngle) * pi / 180))  (cur angle is 0, color
> angle is also 0, factor returned is 0)  Then do 255 - (255 * factor) so the
> value for red is 255.
>
> But for the other 2 colors, I need to return a factor of 1 so that they are
> completely removed so that the primary color is the only one left.   To do
> this requires a current angle offset from the designated color angle to be
> 90 degrees.  So for example, green is 60, to get a factor of 1, the current
> angle would have to be 150, and for blue it would have to be 30 on my
> imaginary, impossible number circle.
>
> I can fix this by setting my colors to 0, 90, 180. (again, only using half
> the circle)  But doing it this way, I end up with grey between cycles, so
> there is a nice solid sequence of reds, then grey,then green, then grey,
> then blue, repeat.
>
> So, what I need to figure out, is a way to weight things, so that the
> closer 1 color gets to 255, then more reduction affect there is on the
> other 2 colors.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>

I must be quite stupid as I don't understand what you are trying to convey.

How about moving this discussion to the Forums with some pretty pictures?

Richmond.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 15 14:17:03 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:17:03 -0600
Subject: bug or feature in player filename?
In-Reply-To: <BE2F176E-0045-4528-87B9-B361EA894CB7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
References: <76AC845E-E0E2-4223-B92E-0A20EEEC57E7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>	<548DF749.5060802@hyperactivesw.com>
	<BE2F176E-0045-4528-87B9-B361EA894CB7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <548F33AF.1040209@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/14/2014, 10:24 PM, Timothy Miller wrote:
> If you use a script to ?start? the player, with an incorrect filename
> in the ?source? field, entered manually or by script, the player will
> play some other correct filename, and the result of the ?start?
> command will be empty. In a more perfect world, the result of the
> start command might give the user a clue about what has gone wrong.

The result should be checked right after the filename is set. That's 
when it reports whether the path is valid or not:

   set the filename of player x to "some/filepath/here.mov"
   put the result

If that fails and the player still contains a previous filename, then 
that one is still valid. The start command will succeed and the result 
will be empty.

To be honest, I'm not sure whether the start command even sets the 
result; I never checked that. It may be that an empty player honors the 
start command, but since there's no content to play, it stops immediately.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 15 14:23:02 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:23:02 -0600
Subject: AW: OT: Mac installer rights?
In-Reply-To: <004c01d0183d$974b98d0$c5e2ca70$@kestner.de>
References: <009101d01625$d940ad80$8bc20880$@kestner.de>	<548B3265.3030507@hyperactivesw.com>	<001501d016c5$56db10b0$04913210$@kestner.de>	<0CF38E7E-2908-4A6C-9410-7A2425173ED5@hyperactivesw.com>	<548C7490.5090406@economy-x-talk.com>
	<004c01d0183d$974b98d0$c5e2ca70$@kestner.de>
Message-ID: <548F3516.7060600@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/15/2014, 2:03 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> And just for my interest. Is there a technical explanation for
> different rights/behaviour if you copy files manually with the same
> user and in the same dir from a dmg file or start an installer to let
> do it for you?

Apple allows the user to move files wherever they like. It is an 
intentional action the user is aware of, and the user always has full 
control. Software cannot do the same thing, because that would allow 
malicious installers to copy malware to the drive without the user's 
knowledge.

It is true that a dmg could contain an app that installs malware, and 
that the user could copy it to their drive without knowing that. That's 
the reason for code signing. A malicious developer could distribute a 
code signed app, but they could be tracked. And if users keep the 
default security permissions, where they can only install apps from the 
app store, the app is unlikely to pass Apple's security checks.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 15 14:25:13 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:25:13 -0800
Subject: SHA256
Message-ID: <548F3599.4090902@fourthworld.com>

LiveCode currently provides only two hashes, MD5 and SHA1.  I have a 
project in which I need SHA256.  Anyone here have a function for that?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From joseantoniorocha at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 14:42:03 2014
From: joseantoniorocha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Antonio_Rocha?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:42:03 -0200
Subject: SHA256
In-Reply-To: <548F3599.4090902@fourthworld.com>
References: <548F3599.4090902@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAM5a0KRoLR=QU12jGpR+rcGh0ZLrn9tV3GQyFV1qMBftc6qq1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!
There is this, but I could not make it work:
http://masmit.net/libhash-hmac.html

2014-12-15 17:25 GMT-02:00 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>:
>
> LiveCode currently provides only two hashes, MD5 and SHA1.  I have a
> project in which I need SHA256.  Anyone here have a function for that?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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<https://plus.google.com/+Jos?AntonioMeiradaRocha/>"
email: joseantoniorocha at gmail.com
ve?culo: [ http://meiradarocha.jor.br ]
fones: [ 55-8448-3866  55-3744-2994 ]
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 15 14:56:46 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:56:46 -0800
Subject: SHA256
In-Reply-To: <CAM5a0KRoLR=QU12jGpR+rcGh0ZLrn9tV3GQyFV1qMBftc6qq1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM5a0KRoLR=QU12jGpR+rcGh0ZLrn9tV3GQyFV1qMBftc6qq1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548F3CFE.3060307@fourthworld.com>

Jos? Antonio Rocha wrote:
> 2014-12-15 17:25 GMT-02:00 Richard Gaskin:
>> LiveCode currently provides only two hashes, MD5 and SHA1.  I have a
>> project in which I need SHA256.  Anyone here have a function for that?
>>
> Hi!
> There is this, but I could not make it work:
> http://masmit.net/libhash-hmac.html

Brilliant! Works great.

To make that lib work the only modification needed is to comment out the 
function definition for sha1digest, since that's now a built-in LiveCode 
function.

Using that lib I ran this:

      put sha256.hex("ambassador at fourthworld.com")

...and verified it against OS X's implementation using a simple text 
file with the same string:

     shasum -a 256 ~/Desktop/addy.txt

Both returned:

     a14aa8957080619214e553cb552e7bf4bdbce216813d1bce2b50ea74a97a95e4

Another success story thanks to the late great Mark Smith.  Thanks for 
turning me onto that library.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From mikedoub at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 15:00:19 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:00:19 -0500
Subject: SHA256
In-Reply-To: <CAM5a0KRoLR=QU12jGpR+rcGh0ZLrn9tV3GQyFV1qMBftc6qq1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <548F3599.4090902@fourthworld.com>
	<CAM5a0KRoLR=QU12jGpR+rcGh0ZLrn9tV3GQyFV1qMBftc6qq1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548F3DD3.8040404@gmail.com>

Jos?,

I have not used these functions personally but I see in the readme that 
multiple steps are required for sha-256.

So, to get the sha-256 digest of a string:
put sha256.hex("the cat sat on the mat") into tDigest
put sha256.b64(someVariable) into tDigest

and of a file
put sha256.bin("/Users/yourusername/Desktop/somefile.txt", true) into 
tDigest

Hope this helps.
    Mike


On 12/15/14 2:42 PM, Jos? Antonio Rocha wrote:
> Hi!
> There is this, but I could not make it work:
> http://masmit.net/libhash-hmac.html
>
> 2014-12-15 17:25 GMT-02:00 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>:
>> LiveCode currently provides only two hashes, MD5 and SHA1.  I have a
>> project in which I need SHA256.  Anyone here have a function for that?
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World Systems
>>   Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>>   ____________________________________________________________________
>>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>



From joseantoniorocha at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 15:11:48 2014
From: joseantoniorocha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Antonio_Rocha?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:11:48 -0200
Subject: SHA256
In-Reply-To: <548F3DD3.8040404@gmail.com>
References: <548F3599.4090902@fourthworld.com>
	<CAM5a0KRoLR=QU12jGpR+rcGh0ZLrn9tV3GQyFV1qMBftc6qq1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F3DD3.8040404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM5a0KRs1Yez8edcWLvLGJ7BLh+dofwjtZFWzj+6Q78V7cGXXQ@mail.gmail.com>

2014-12-15 18:00 GMT-02:00 Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com>:
>
> I have not used these functions personally but I see in the readme that
> multiple steps are required for sha-256.
>
> So, to get the sha-256 digest of a string:
> put sha256.hex("the cat sat on the mat") into tDigest
> put sha256.b64(someVariable) into tDigest
>
> and of a file
> put sha256.bin("/Users/yourusername/Desktop/somefile.txt", true) into
> tDigest
>

?Thank you, I will try this.?



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------------------------------
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email: joseantoniorocha at gmail.com
ve?culo: [ http://meiradarocha.jor.br ]
fones: [ 55-8448-3866  55-3744-2994 ]
------------------------------


From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Dec 15 16:06:08 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:06:08 -0800
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>

A few days ago I was bemoaning the fact that there wasn't a way to get a
list of control ids or names without a "repeat with x=1 to the number of
controls of...."

By chance, I just discovered there is a controlids property and a
controlnames property that return the ids/names of all controls in a card
or group.

There is no mention of them in the dictionary.  They aren't there in LC 5.5
and are in LC 6.1 (don't have a copy of 6.0 so can't check there).

I can't find mention of them in any release notes either although I haven't
searched them extensively.

Am I the only one that somehow missed the introduction of these properties?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 16:45:58 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 23:45:58 +0200
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548F5696.2050905@gmail.com>

On 15/12/14 23:06, Peter Haworth wrote:
> A few days ago I was bemoaning the fact that there wasn't a way to get a
> list of control ids or names without a "repeat with x=1 to the number of
> controls of...."
>
> By chance, I just discovered there is a controlids property and a
> controlnames property that return the ids/names of all controls in a card
> or group.
>
> There is no mention of them in the dictionary.  They aren't there in LC 5.5
> and are in LC 6.1 (don't have a copy of 6.0 so can't check there).
>
> I can't find mention of them in any release notes either although I haven't
> searched them extensively.
>
> Am I the only one that somehow missed the introduction of these properties?
>
> Pete
>

No, I missed them as well :/  Thanks for the heads up!

Get 6.0.1 COMMUNITY here: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

Richmond.




From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Mon Dec 15 16:49:14 2014
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:49:14 -0500
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004b01d018b0$f82af560$e880e020$@net>

Sweet... Thanks!!!

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Haworth
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 4:06 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties

A few days ago I was bemoaning the fact that there wasn't a way to get a
list of control ids or names without a "repeat with x=1 to the number of
controls of...."

By chance, I just discovered there is a controlids property and a
controlnames property that return the ids/names of all controls in a card or
group.

There is no mention of them in the dictionary.  They aren't there in LC 5.5
and are in LC 6.1 (don't have a copy of 6.0 so can't check there).

I can't find mention of them in any release notes either although I haven't
searched them extensively.

Am I the only one that somehow missed the introduction of these properties?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 16:54:20 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:54:20 -0800
Subject: 7.0 can't parse group "someGroup" of (an id)
In-Reply-To: <DBE60299-6D37-4153-830C-48F507C9E0FE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DBE60299-6D37-4153-830C-48F507C9E0FE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSG_odQeQd7gMXT2yJeDif0BhxR2j7QORxb2R8kKUN9kPw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:
>
> What is grNms? What does it contain? If they are only ID?s then your
> statement would resolve to something like:
>
>
They are long ids or similar (I have a function that chops long id to

group ID 1 of stack "someStack"


so grMs is somthing like

group ID 1 of stack "someStack"
group ID 2 of stack "anotherStack"
group ID 2 of stack "anotherStack"



> put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   (123456))
>
> You can see the problem. Now if it contains rows of the long id?s of those
> groups, then your statement might resolve to something like:
>
> put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   (group id 2571 of card id 1002 of
> stack ?myStack"))
>
> Is group ?rawRow? contained in group id 2571 of card id 1002 of stack
> ?myStack"? If not then that also is a problem.
>

Yes; it was definitely there.  I got it from the childControlIDs function.

>
> What I usually do to make troubleshooting simpler is I put every value I
> am going to enter into a statement into a variable first. In your case you
> can use a breakpoint before the statement and examine the contents of grNms
> to see if it contains what you think it does.
>


It wasn't a runtime error, but a compile error


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 16:54:49 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:54:49 -0800
Subject: 7.0 can't parse group "someGroup" of (an id)
In-Reply-To: <548F1FA4.9030105@fourthworld.com>
References: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F1FA4.9030105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGaLSwzh9iX546+6__kOzcgNkg3xv80iZ0TCsiJNXr2gA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:
>
>
> What is the most recent version in which that worked?


It was new code; I haven't use it in any earlier version.



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 16:56:08 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 13:56:08 -0800
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSH3pgUwY2DjgWNJO7jE_wL-arbuyXV6yhpXVXCHXoL9Uw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> By chance, I just discovered there is a controlids property and a
> controlnames property that return the ids/names of all controls in a card
> or group.
>

Is this different from the childControlIDs and childConbtrolNames


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 17:00:04 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:00:04 +0200
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548F59E4.4010702@gmail.com>

However . . .

When I did this:

on mouseUp
    put the controlids & " - " & the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of 
stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack "Cheese"
end mouseUp

I did NOT get a list of "nicely paired" ID numbers and names, but a 
messy "something" of which this is a sample:

controlids - VREFF
KREFF
fSIZING
rat-track.gif
scrolllller.png
BGRAD.png
2424k
2391k
2390k
7378k
7379k
VEE.png
2388k
2387k
2389k
2373k

The above are ALL names: ID numbers having vanished somewhere 
??????????????????

so will have to do some further fiddling around as that does not float 
my boat overly much.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 17:02:03 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:02:03 +0200
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH3pgUwY2DjgWNJO7jE_wL-arbuyXV6yhpXVXCHXoL9Uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSH3pgUwY2DjgWNJO7jE_wL-arbuyXV6yhpXVXCHXoL9Uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548F5A5B.8070509@gmail.com>

On 15/12/14 23:56, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>> By chance, I just discovered there is a controlids property and a
>> controlnames property that return the ids/names of all controls in a card
>> or group.
>>
> Is this different from the childControlIDs and childConbtrolNames
>
>

Certainly, as of 6.7 and 7.0.1 rc3 controlids and controlnames are NOT 
documented.

Richmond.



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Dec 15 17:02:49 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:02:49 -0800
Subject: 7.0 can't parse group "someGroup" of (an id)
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSG_odQeQd7gMXT2yJeDif0BhxR2j7QORxb2R8kKUN9kPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DBE60299-6D37-4153-830C-48F507C9E0FE@iotecdigital.com>
	<CANQHZSG_odQeQd7gMXT2yJeDif0BhxR2j7QORxb2R8kKUN9kPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C570BCFE-AF18-4E09-8583-6C0D5819CA3A@tactilemedia.com>

Those object references look manually created -- the long id includes a card reference and is generally more reliable (at least in pre 6.7/7 versions of LC).  You may be better off using the real long ids.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media UX/UI Design

> On Dec 15, 2014, at 1:54 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> What is grNms? What does it contain? If they are only ID?s then your
>> statement would resolve to something like:
> They are long ids or similar (I have a function that chops long id to
> 
> group ID 1 of stack "someStack"
> 
> 
> so grMs is somthing like
> 
> group ID 1 of stack "someStack"
> group ID 2 of stack "anotherStack"
> group ID 2 of stack "anotherStack"
> 
> 
> 
>> put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   (123456))
>> 
>> You can see the problem. Now if it contains rows of the long id?s of those
>> groups, then your statement might resolve to something like:
>> 
>> put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   (group id 2571 of card id 1002 of
>> stack ?myStack"))
>> 
>> Is group ?rawRow? contained in group id 2571 of card id 1002 of stack
>> ?myStack"? If not then that also is a problem.
> 
> Yes; it was definitely there.  I got it from the childControlIDs function.
> 
>> 
>> What I usually do to make troubleshooting simpler is I put every value I
>> am going to enter into a statement into a variable first. In your case you
>> can use a breakpoint before the statement and examine the contents of grNms
>> to see if it contains what you think it does.
> 
> 
> It wasn't a runtime error, but a compile error
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Dec 15 17:03:20 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 23:03:20 +0100
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <548F59E4.4010702@gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F59E4.4010702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53348588-5BD3-482C-931A-B26FCD6459C4@major-k.de>

Hi Richmond,

> Am 15.12.2014 um 23:00 schrieb Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
> 
> However . . .
> 
> When I did this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put the controlids & " - " & the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack "Cheese"
> end mouseUp
> 
> I did NOT get a list of "nicely paired" ID numbers and names, but a messy "something" of which this is a sample:
> 
> controlids - VREFF
> KREFF
> fSIZING
> rat-track.gif
> scrolllller.png
> BGRAD.png
> 2424k
> 2391k
> 2390k
> 7378k
> 7379k
> VEE.png
> 2388k
> 2387k
> 2389k
> 2373k
> 
> The above are ALL names: ID numbers having vanished somewhere ??????????????????
> 
> so will have to do some further fiddling around as that does not float my boat overly much.

what about:
...
  put the controlids OF CARD "TRANS-HAL" OF STACK "DWPro" & " - " & the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack "Cheese"
...
8-)

> Richmond.

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 15 17:05:07 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:05:07 -0800
Subject: 7.0 can't parse group "someGroup" of (an id)
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGaLSwzh9iX546+6__kOzcgNkg3xv80iZ0TCsiJNXr2gA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSGaLSwzh9iX546+6__kOzcgNkg3xv80iZ0TCsiJNXr2gA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548F5B13.9090808@fourthworld.com>

Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>> What is the most recent version in which that worked?
>
> It was new code; I haven't use it in any earlier version.

Thanks. From the title I got the impression this was specific to v7.0.

While LiveCode is generally much more flexible than other xTalks when 
mixing literal and variable values to construct object references, I 
have seen a few occasions where mixing the two is troublesome.

In your case:

    put the name of (group "rawRow" of (line 3 of grNms ))

...I wonder if either this:

    put the name of (the long ID of group "rawRow" of (line 3 of grNms ))

...or this:

    put line 3 of grNms into tObj
    put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of tObj )

...would work?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 17:05:49 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 00:05:49 +0200
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <53348588-5BD3-482C-931A-B26FCD6459C4@major-k.de>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>	<548F59E4.4010702@gmail.com>
	<53348588-5BD3-482C-931A-B26FCD6459C4@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <548F5B3D.8010101@gmail.com>

On 16/12/14 00:03, Klaus major-k wrote:
> Hi Richmond,
>
>> Am 15.12.2014 um 23:00 schrieb Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
>>
>> However . . .
>>
>> When I did this:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    put the controlids & " - " & the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack "Cheese"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> I did NOT get a list of "nicely paired" ID numbers and names, but a messy "something" of which this is a sample:
>>
>> controlids - VREFF
>> KREFF
>> fSIZING
>> rat-track.gif
>> scrolllller.png
>> BGRAD.png
>> 2424k
>> 2391k
>> 2390k
>> 7378k
>> 7379k
>> VEE.png
>> 2388k
>> 2387k
>> 2389k
>> 2373k
>>
>> The above are ALL names: ID numbers having vanished somewhere ??????????????????
>>
>> so will have to do some further fiddling around as that does not float my boat overly much.
> what about:
> ...
>    put the controlids OF CARD "TRANS-HAL" OF STACK "DWPro" & " - " & the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack "Cheese"
> ...
> 8-)
>
>> Richmond.
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
>

Yes, err, well, I had a logng, tiring day trying to get some English 
into small Bulgarians with small brains . . . well that's my
excuse anyway for being pretty stupid.

Thanks for putting me right, again, again, again, Klaus :)

Richmond.



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 17:07:01 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:07:01 -0600
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH3pgUwY2DjgWNJO7jE_wL-arbuyXV6yhpXVXCHXoL9Uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSH3pgUwY2DjgWNJO7jE_wL-arbuyXV6yhpXVXCHXoL9Uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrHSFsU91iP5m0d7Zv3atObRZ7wCXtHbZsuScUskwjnxA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes: the childControlIDs and childConbtrolNames only go one level down;
anything in a group will not be reported. the controlIDs and controlNames
list everything everywhere. So given this structure:

card id 1002
group id 1007 [1007]
|  button "Button" [1004]
|  button "Button" [1006]

put the controlIDs of card id 1002

1007
1004
1006

put the childControlIDs of card id 1002

1007

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >
> > By chance, I just discovered there is a controlids property and a
> > controlnames property that return the ids/names of all controls in a card
> > or group.
> >
>
> Is this different from the childControlIDs and childConbtrolNames
>
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Dec 15 17:37:39 2014
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:37:39 +1100
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <548F5A5B.8070509@gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSH3pgUwY2DjgWNJO7jE_wL-arbuyXV6yhpXVXCHXoL9Uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F5A5B.8070509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16BB031A-C888-4F57-BACE-83AAA4C70B0F@sweattechnologies.com>


On 16 Dec 2014, at 9:02 am, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Certainly, as of 6.7 and 7.0.1 rc3 controlids and controlnames are NOT documented.

I did these when I did childControlIDs and childControlNames as it was basically the same code. It was back before the docs were added to the engine repo and I was assuming that "someone" was covering me on the docs as I had no way to contribute them. These days you need to include docs with each change before it's looked at. It probably should be reported that there's no docs for these if it's not already.

Cheers

Monte

--
M E R Goulding 
Software development services
Bespoke application development for vertical markets

mergExt - There's an external for that!



From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Dec 15 17:40:18 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:40:18 -0800
Subject: 7.0 can't parse group "someGroup" of (an id)
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSG_odQeQd7gMXT2yJeDif0BhxR2j7QORxb2R8kKUN9kPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSEu4cAT-bG3_6Ay6Px0zGeVvXGo58hdkNV8UqdPOGK8EA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DBE60299-6D37-4153-830C-48F507C9E0FE@iotecdigital.com>
	<CANQHZSG_odQeQd7gMXT2yJeDif0BhxR2j7QORxb2R8kKUN9kPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePVKyCFSEgfbN98RCFR8Ym6kaGnDrpGe+79G3XxAcArAA@mail.gmail.com>

I think the problem is that the compiler is interpreting this as getting
the group of a line and lines don;t have groups of course.

Couple of things to try.

get line 1 of grMs
put the name of (group "RawRow" of it).....

or

put the name of (group "RawRow" of value(line 1 of grMs))....



Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > What is grNms? What does it contain? If they are only ID?s then your
> > statement would resolve to something like:
> >
> >
> They are long ids or similar (I have a function that chops long id to
>
> group ID 1 of stack "someStack"
>
>
> so grMs is somthing like
>
> group ID 1 of stack "someStack"
> group ID 2 of stack "anotherStack"
> group ID 2 of stack "anotherStack"
>
>
>
> > put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   (123456))
> >
> > You can see the problem. Now if it contains rows of the long id?s of
> those
> > groups, then your statement might resolve to something like:
> >
> > put the name of  (  group "rawRow" of   (group id 2571 of card id 1002 of
> > stack ?myStack"))
> >
> > Is group ?rawRow? contained in group id 2571 of card id 1002 of stack
> > ?myStack"? If not then that also is a problem.
> >
>
> Yes; it was definitely there.  I got it from the childControlIDs function.
>
> >
> > What I usually do to make troubleshooting simpler is I put every value I
> > am going to enter into a statement into a variable first. In your case
> you
> > can use a breakpoint before the statement and examine the contents of
> grNms
> > to see if it contains what you think it does.
> >
>
>
> It wasn't a runtime error, but a compile error
>
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Dec 15 18:24:24 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:24:24 -0800
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <16BB031A-C888-4F57-BACE-83AAA4C70B0F@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSH3pgUwY2DjgWNJO7jE_wL-arbuyXV6yhpXVXCHXoL9Uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F5A5B.8070509@gmail.com>
	<16BB031A-C888-4F57-BACE-83AAA4C70B0F@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMq6kbKgLeCP+-giXWVFYg=NH+sMQnTRiLzM_CzvYG6Tw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Monte, I kinda suspected that was the case and thanks for adding
them.  I added QCC report number 14225 so hopefully they will make it into
the dictionary soon.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com
> wrote:
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2014, at 9:02 am, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Certainly, as of 6.7 and 7.0.1 rc3 controlids and controlnames are NOT
> documented.
>
> I did these when I did childControlIDs and childControlNames as it was
> basically the same code. It was back before the docs were added to the
> engine repo and I was assuming that "someone" was covering me on the docs
> as I had no way to contribute them. These days you need to include docs
> with each change before it's looked at. It probably should be reported that
> there's no docs for these if it's not already.
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
>
> --
> M E R Goulding
> Software development services
> Bespoke application development for vertical markets
>
> mergExt - There's an external for that!
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 15 22:02:06 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:02:06 -0500
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8323B06-C245-44F2-B7F1-65CCA091F2FF@verizon.net>

So, I had a go at this. Here?s my test stack:

go url "http://colin.scienceninja.com/colorwheel.livecode?

Choose the browse tool and click the button. The script deletes any existing graphics and then makes 315 new graphics, with the forelock set to a calculated amount.

There?s one difference from what was asked for, because angles start from the east, not from the north. In my example red is to the right, blue is lower left, and green upper left. Like, 3, 7, and 11 if it was a clock. I suspect I have something reversed, I wanted green to be where blue is. But still, it?ll show off the idea.

Here?s the button script, take a look at it for a while, and the stack, then ask questions!

on mouseUp
   lock screen
   repeat while the number of graphics > 0 
      delete graphic 1
   end repeat
   repeat with a = 1 to 315
      new graphic
      set the width of graphic a to 10
      set the height of graphic a to 10
      put (a-1)/50 into ang 
      put cos(ang) * 200 into dx
      put sin(ang) * 200 into dy
      set the loc of graphic a to 300 + dx,300+dy
      set the forecolor of graphic a to getred(ang),getgreen(ang),getblue(ang)
      if a = 1 then put the forecolor of graphic a
   end repeat
   unlock screen
end mouseUp

function getred val
   if val > PI then put 2*PI - val into val
   put abs(val) into val
   return round(max(0,(2/3*Pi - val)/(2/3*PI)) * 255)
end getred

function getgreen val
   add 2/3*PI to val
   if val > PI then put 2*PI - val into val
   put abs(val) into val
   return round(max(0,(2/3*Pi - val)/(2/3*PI)) * 255)
end getgreen

function getblue val
   add 4/3*PI to val
   if val > PI then put 2*PI - val into val
   put abs(val) into val
   return round(max(0,(2/3*Pi - val)/(2/3*PI)) * 255)
end getblue



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 15 22:03:50 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:03:50 -0500
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <E8323B06-C245-44F2-B7F1-65CCA091F2FF@verizon.net>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8323B06-C245-44F2-B7F1-65CCA091F2FF@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <352BAB9C-475A-4DC9-885D-E805ED922D2F@verizon.net>

By the way, I copied my v7 script a 6.6.4 stack, so that the stack can open in more versions.


> On Dec 15, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> go url "http://colin.scienceninja.com/colorwheel.livecode <http://colin.scienceninja.com/colorwheel.livecode>?



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 15 22:12:57 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:12:57 -0500
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <352BAB9C-475A-4DC9-885D-E805ED922D2F@verizon.net>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8323B06-C245-44F2-B7F1-65CCA091F2FF@verizon.net>
	<352BAB9C-475A-4DC9-885D-E805ED922D2F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <7B598F58-9310-420D-AD29-A0813DFF89D8@verizon.net>

Figured out the reason blue and green were reverse, I should have done a subtraction not an addition. I replaced the stack.





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 22:17:15 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:17:15 -0700
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <7B598F58-9310-420D-AD29-A0813DFF89D8@verizon.net>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8323B06-C245-44F2-B7F1-65CCA091F2FF@verizon.net>
	<352BAB9C-475A-4DC9-885D-E805ED922D2F@verizon.net>
	<7B598F58-9310-420D-AD29-A0813DFF89D8@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqAWv=ovOnOOSz1gBErk3XnzVdhAj6txeq+R1tzREO+Tw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you SO much.  Will start at it for a few days to see if I can wrap my
noggin around it.

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Figured out the reason blue and green were reverse, I should have done a
> subtraction not an addition. I replaced the stack.
>
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 23:07:22 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:07:22 -0700
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqAWv=ovOnOOSz1gBErk3XnzVdhAj6txeq+R1tzREO+Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8323B06-C245-44F2-B7F1-65CCA091F2FF@verizon.net>
	<352BAB9C-475A-4DC9-885D-E805ED922D2F@verizon.net>
	<7B598F58-9310-420D-AD29-A0813DFF89D8@verizon.net>
	<CAG1cpSqAWv=ovOnOOSz1gBErk3XnzVdhAj6txeq+R1tzREO+Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSo3GAumvSLQSqcc95fBLtAH+L4hw+8N17HccWiFxE0Lrg@mail.gmail.com>

Ah k. This method gets rid of any and all tri-color blends, simplifying
things, at which point it becomes easy.
Another method to do the same thing (or maybe the same method, but in a way
I have a chance of understanding) is to determine if an angle falls between
say, red and green, find the ratio of the distances to each, and use that
as a factor of 255 to create the color. So if red is 90, green is 210, and
the angle is 150, (the midway point) the red factor would be .5, green
would be .5, so we'd end up with 127,127,0

An angle of 110 would be 42,212,0 (the green factor being .833333, the red
factor being .166667)  Easy then to do as Richmond said, and make a lookup
table since its simply 2 inverse linear values anyway.

Eliminating the 3rd color as part of the blend makes it SO much easier.

Going to stare at your code and research till I actually understand it.  At
which point I will change it in silly and idiotic ways to see what happens.

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you SO much.  Will start at it for a few days to see if I can wrap
> my noggin around it.
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Figured out the reason blue and green were reverse, I should have done a
>> subtraction not an addition. I replaced the stack.
>>
>>
>>
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 15 23:18:29 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 23:18:29 -0500
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSo3GAumvSLQSqcc95fBLtAH+L4hw+8N17HccWiFxE0Lrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8323B06-C245-44F2-B7F1-65CCA091F2FF@verizon.net>
	<352BAB9C-475A-4DC9-885D-E805ED922D2F@verizon.net>
	<7B598F58-9310-420D-AD29-A0813DFF89D8@verizon.net>
	<CAG1cpSqAWv=ovOnOOSz1gBErk3XnzVdhAj6txeq+R1tzREO+Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSo3GAumvSLQSqcc95fBLtAH+L4hw+8N17HccWiFxE0Lrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <891197B1-AE83-4DE0-8D7E-2C79BA2094EA@verizon.net>

On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

>I have a chance of understanding) is to determine if an angle falls between
say, red and green, find the ratio of the distances to each, and use that
as a factor of 255 to create the color.


That is exactly what my code is doing. There are several numbers in the code that help cheat towards an easy solution. I?ll talk through a few of those lines:

   repeat with a = 1 to 315
      new graphic
      set the width of graphic a to 10
      set the height of graphic a to 10
      put (a-1)/50 into ang 

This just gives PI * 100 (roughly) objects spread over a 2*PI range, to draw the circle of graphics.

function getred val
   if val > PI then put 2*PI - val into val
   put abs(val) into val
   return round(max(0,(2/3*Pi - val)/(2/3*PI)) * 255)
end getred

120 degrees is 2/3PI. I take the angle we?re at and make it be in the range of -PI to +PI, and then take the absolute value of that. I subtract the angle from 2/3*PI, to find out how far from zero we are. If it?s more than 120 degrees, the max(0, takes care of it. The divide by 2/3*PI makes the results be in the range 0-1, which gets multiplied by 255.

function getgreen val
   subtract 2/3*PI from val
   if val > PI then put 2*PI - val into val
   put abs(val) into val
   return round(max(0,(2/3*Pi - val)/(2/3*PI)) * 255)
end get green

I just add 2/3* PI or 4/3*PI to offset the green and blue angles, so that the math becomes just the same as it was for red.





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 23:33:08 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:33:08 -0700
Subject: Direction, and color
In-Reply-To: <891197B1-AE83-4DE0-8D7E-2C79BA2094EA@verizon.net>
References: <CAG1cpSp9kWcJumbuZcXTv=PJuzrCa6N0V7H7PVvx1kyu5LsxGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<548B3382.8090903@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrE0CJ00kN9dHiszWBf4uHdjtSTdCJ8L=Cha9va177mJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSoD4a5wMxDdnGApg3teXX=FxNN0KSoP0CZg=VB-xMeg+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<E8323B06-C245-44F2-B7F1-65CCA091F2FF@verizon.net>
	<352BAB9C-475A-4DC9-885D-E805ED922D2F@verizon.net>
	<7B598F58-9310-420D-AD29-A0813DFF89D8@verizon.net>
	<CAG1cpSqAWv=ovOnOOSz1gBErk3XnzVdhAj6txeq+R1tzREO+Tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSo3GAumvSLQSqcc95fBLtAH+L4hw+8N17HccWiFxE0Lrg@mail.gmail.com>
	<891197B1-AE83-4DE0-8D7E-2C79BA2094EA@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSra5aZ3tdFwSo7yEvV0Ed1fP3-YRbEBqte6D4L=b1-5tw@mail.gmail.com>

Holy crap, I think I get it.

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I have a chance of understanding) is to determine if an angle falls
> between
> say, red and green, find the ratio of the distances to each, and use that
> as a factor of 255 to create the color.
>
>
> That is exactly what my code is doing. There are several numbers in the
> code that help cheat towards an easy solution. I?ll talk through a few of
> those lines:
>
>    repeat with a = 1 to 315
>       new graphic
>       set the width of graphic a to 10
>       set the height of graphic a to 10
>       put (a-1)/50 into ang
>
> This just gives PI * 100 (roughly) objects spread over a 2*PI range, to
> draw the circle of graphics.
>
> function getred val
>    if val > PI then put 2*PI - val into val
>    put abs(val) into val
>    return round(max(0,(2/3*Pi - val)/(2/3*PI)) * 255)
> end getred
>
> 120 degrees is 2/3PI. I take the angle we?re at and make it be in the
> range of -PI to +PI, and then take the absolute value of that. I subtract
> the angle from 2/3*PI, to find out how far from zero we are. If it?s more
> than 120 degrees, the max(0, takes care of it. The divide by 2/3*PI makes
> the results be in the range 0-1, which gets multiplied by 255.
>
> function getgreen val
>    subtract 2/3*PI from val
>    if val > PI then put 2*PI - val into val
>    put abs(val) into val
>    return round(max(0,(2/3*Pi - val)/(2/3*PI)) * 255)
> end get green
>
> I just add 2/3* PI or 4/3*PI to offset the green and blue angles, so that
> the math becomes just the same as it was for red.
>
>
>
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From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Dec 16 01:24:56 2014
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:24:56 -1000
Subject: OT: Web Server-side ID3 Tagger
Message-ID: <548FD038.9080302@hindu.org>

I need to set the ID3 tags for MP3 files that have already been uploaded 
to our web server.

typically my approach is to create a thin desktop client, which can read 
our media database from the web server... then I need to send a POST 
back to my "MusicAPI.lc"  which in turn then passes some params to [The 
ID3 Tagger program] via shell

path to file
artist
author
genre
album
date
title

locally on a mac this is as simple as getting info in iTunes, adding the 
ID3 metadata and iTunes writes it back to the same .mp3 file (or aiff)

Does anyone know of a *nix program that can do the same, that I can call 
from shell (would run on CentOS 6.2)

Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Dec 16 03:53:27 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:53:27 +0100
Subject: OT: Web Server-side ID3 Tagger
In-Reply-To: <548FD038.9080302@hindu.org>
References: <548FD038.9080302@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <AC609EA7-2591-435E-9311-A82A5032DC09@m-r-d.de>

Hi Brahmanathaswami,

there is a ID3 library for livecode the late Mark Smith created in 2009.

You can find it here
http://marksmith.on-rev.com/revstuff/files/

Maybe it is of some help for you.

Regards,

Matthias


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> Am 16.12.2014 um 07:24 schrieb Brahmanathaswami <brahma at hindu.org>:
> 
> I need to set the ID3 tags for MP3 files that have already been uploaded to our web server.
> 
> typically my approach is to create a thin desktop client, which can read our media database from the web server... then I need to send a POST back to my "MusicAPI.lc"  which in turn then passes some params to [The ID3 Tagger program] via shell
> 
> path to file
> artist
> author
> genre
> album
> date
> title
> 
> locally on a mac this is as simple as getting info in iTunes, adding the ID3 metadata and iTunes writes it back to the same .mp3 file (or aiff)
> 
> Does anyone know of a *nix program that can do the same, that I can call from shell (would run on CentOS 6.2)
> 
> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
> Brahmanathaswami
> 
> Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com
> 
> 
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From ben at livecode.com  Tue Dec 16 05:35:46 2014
From: ben at livecode.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:35:46 +0000
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 7.0.1 RC4
Message-ID: <CADd0_TwZrxbhrFJON4e16c4XQh9+Wb=uLvPhQuDd6mBs0aJmvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members,

We're pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 7.0.1 RC4. This is a
maintenance release focusing on bug fixes and refinement.

Release Contents
This release contains 23 bug fixes (14 of which were fixes applied to 6.7
RC4). The most notable fix relates to 100% CPU usage in specific
circumstances in LiveCode 6.7 which as a result was also effecting LiveCode
7.0.1.

For a full list of the bugs fixed in this release please see the release
notes:
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/7_0_1/LiveCodeNotes-7_0_1_rc_4.pdf

Getting the Release
To get the release please select "check for updates" from the "help" menu
in the product or download the installer directly at:
http://downloads.livecode.com

Feeding Back
If you encounter any issues while working with the release please help us
by creating a report in our quality control center at:
http://quality.runrev.com/

Special thanks to Trevor Devore for working with us to find and fix the
100% cpu issue.

Warm regards,

The LiveCode Team


From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Tue Dec 16 05:54:06 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:54:06 +0000
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
Message-ID: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>

Is there a definitive calculation that correctly sets the position of text vertically in a field?

I am using LC 6.7.

I have come across a few ideas like the one below that all appear to use an arbitrary offset to the margins, is there a method to calculate this accurately?

   put the effective textSize of fld id tID into tTextSize
   --   put round (((tTextSize - 22) * 1/3)) into tOffset
   put round (((tTextSize - 24) * 1/3)) into tOffset
   put the formattedheight of char 1 to - 1 of fld id tID into tFormattedHeight
   put round((the height of fld id tID - tFormattedHeight) / 2) into tVerticalMargins
   put tVerticalMargins - tOffset into tTopMargin
   put tVerticalMargins + tOffset into tBottomMargin
   set the margins of fld id tID to 8,tTopMargin,8,tBottomMargin

All the best

Terry

From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Dec 16 06:04:43 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:04:43 +0100
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <549011CB.8090608@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Terry,

There's a long discussion about this on the forum. I believe I did a 
good attempt, but Bernd's solution was probably the most reliable.

--
Best regards,

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On 12/16/2014 11:54, Terence Heaford wrote:
> Is there a definitive calculation that correctly sets the position of text vertically in a field?
>
> I am using LC 6.7.
>
> I have come across a few ideas like the one below that all appear to use an arbitrary offset to the margins, is there a method to calculate this accurately?
>
>     put the effective textSize of fld id tID into tTextSize
>     --   put round (((tTextSize - 22) * 1/3)) into tOffset
>     put round (((tTextSize - 24) * 1/3)) into tOffset
>     put the formattedheight of char 1 to - 1 of fld id tID into tFormattedHeight
>     put round((the height of fld id tID - tFormattedHeight) / 2) into tVerticalMargins
>     put tVerticalMargins - tOffset into tTopMargin
>     put tVerticalMargins + tOffset into tBottomMargin
>     set the margins of fld id tID to 8,tTopMargin,8,tBottomMargin
>
> All the best
>
> Terry




From warren at warrensweb.us  Tue Dec 16 08:46:59 2014
From: warren at warrensweb.us (Warren Samples)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 07:46:59 -0600
Subject: OT: Web Server-side ID3 Tagger
In-Reply-To: <548FD038.9080302@hindu.org>
References: <548FD038.9080302@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <549037D3.8030804@warrensweb.us>

On 12/16/2014 12:24 AM, Brahmanathaswami wrote:
> I need to set the ID3 tags for MP3 files that have already been uploaded
> to our web server.
>
> typically my approach is to create a thin desktop client, which can read
> our media database from the web server... then I need to send a POST
> back to my "MusicAPI.lc"  which in turn then passes some params to [The
> ID3 Tagger program] via shell
>
> path to file
> artist
> author
> genre
> album
> date
> title
>
> locally on a mac this is as simple as getting info in iTunes, adding the
> ID3 metadata and iTunes writes it back to the same .mp3 file (or aiff)
>
> Does anyone know of a *nix program that can do the same, that I can call
> from shell (would run on CentOS 6.2)
>
> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
> Brahmanathaswami


Is id3v2 installed, or can you install it?



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 09:20:36 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:20:36 -0500
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B1C1BAC-1657-4FD5-98D5-FCB2B4FA4526@gmail.com>

On Dec 15, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:

> A few days ago I was bemoaning the fact that there wasn't a way to get a
> list of control ids or names without a "repeat with x=1 to the number of
> controls of...."
> 
> By chance, I just discovered there is a controlids property and a
> controlnames property that return the ids/names of all controls in a card
> or group.

This would be quite useful to me but when I try it in LC5.5.1:
put the controlnames of card 1 of stack "someStack"
I get empty. Similarly for controIDs.
Must have been introduced in a later version of LC5.5?

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From mkoob at rogers.com  Tue Dec 16 11:43:42 2014
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 08:43:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: bug or feature in player filename?
In-Reply-To: <548F33AF.1040209@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <76AC845E-E0E2-4223-B92E-0A20EEEC57E7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
	<548DF749.5060802@hyperactivesw.com>
	<BE2F176E-0045-4528-87B9-B361EA894CB7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
	<548F33AF.1040209@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1418748222812-4686829.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi

I pretty sure these are bugs in the new player introduced in LiveCode 6.7.

Thanks Jacqueline for the info about the result that should be returned when
a player is set to an incorrect path.  Didn't know that.  However it does
not work in LiveCode 6.7.1-rc4

I have posted a bug report for that.
[[Player]] does not return correct result when setting player filename to
invalid path or corrupt movie
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14232


Also Timothy I noticed something odd with players retaining videos that
should have been closed.   Your message helped me realize what was
happening.  I have reported a bug for this as well.   You can try the sample
stack I uploaded and see if you get the same results to confirm this is the
same issue you are seeing.
 [[Player]] does not return correct result when setting player filename to
invalid path or corrupt movie
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14233

The really odd thing with this one is that it retains the old video even
after you set the filename of the player to empty and there is no video
visible.  After that setting to an invalid video redisplays the video that
was previously loaded in the player.

Martin





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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec 16 12:14:32 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 09:14:32 -0800
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqcrwoF=sKyN_XFcOysMpvF4Cs_CazuaYo_5wTuMutFJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqcrwoF=sKyN_XFcOysMpvF4Cs_CazuaYo_5wTuMutFJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54906878.80204@fourthworld.com>

Mike Bonner wrote:
 > You can also do a sneaky if you want to see the stackfileversion of
 > one stack from another.
 >
 > you can: send "put the stackfileversion into <wherever you want it to
 > go>" to stack "stackname"

I can't get that to work.  Since the stackFileVersion if a global 
property I wouldn't expect it to, but this would be handy to have so I 
gave it a shot - how did you get that to return the stack's version 
rather than the global property?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 13:18:31 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 11:18:31 -0700
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
In-Reply-To: <54906878.80204@fourthworld.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqcrwoF=sKyN_XFcOysMpvF4Cs_CazuaYo_5wTuMutFJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54906878.80204@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqW25LpAkbadJkWtgKM0DBYYd_Ftqj9m0K05zxkkHitww@mail.gmail.com>

DOH Yep, my misunderstanding.  Though with the "preserve stack file
version" option in the preferences, it must be stored somewhere for that
stack. Klaus has the easiest method I guess, but i'm curious now to know
where the engine tracks which format each stack uses.  IF I can dig up how
the engine tracks the version for stacks, i'll letcha know.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com
> wrote:
>
> Mike Bonner wrote:
> > You can also do a sneaky if you want to see the stackfileversion of
> > one stack from another.
> >
> > you can: send "put the stackfileversion into <wherever you want it to
> > go>" to stack "stackname"
>
> I can't get that to work.  Since the stackFileVersion if a global property
> I wouldn't expect it to, but this would be handy to have so I gave it a
> shot - how did you get that to return the stack's version rather than the
> global property?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Systems
>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  ____________________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 16 14:25:40 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:25:40 -0600
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqW25LpAkbadJkWtgKM0DBYYd_Ftqj9m0K05zxkkHitww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqcrwoF=sKyN_XFcOysMpvF4Cs_CazuaYo_5wTuMutFJw@mail.gmail.com>	<54906878.80204@fourthworld.com>
	<CAG1cpSqW25LpAkbadJkWtgKM0DBYYd_Ftqj9m0K05zxkkHitww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54908734.7080908@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/16/2014, 12:18 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> IF I can dig up how
> the engine tracks the version for stacks, i'll letcha know.

I'm pretty sure it must be reading the first few bytes of the file, like 
Klaus said. As far as I know, that's the only place the info is stored.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 14:42:50 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:42:50 -0500
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
In-Reply-To: <54908734.7080908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqcrwoF=sKyN_XFcOysMpvF4Cs_CazuaYo_5wTuMutFJw@mail.gmail.com>	<54906878.80204@fourthworld.com>
	<CAG1cpSqW25LpAkbadJkWtgKM0DBYYd_Ftqj9m0K05zxkkHitww@mail.gmail.com>
	<54908734.7080908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <9EBE1A53-94F1-4CF0-896D-1DC296522EAE@gmail.com>

On Dec 16, 2014, at 2:25 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 12/16/2014, 12:18 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>> IF I can dig up how
>> the engine tracks the version for stacks, i'll letcha know.
> 
> I'm pretty sure it must be reading the first few bytes of the file, like Klaus said. As far as I know, that's the only place the info is stored.

so,
put char 1 to 8 of url ("file:" & the effective filename of this stack)
seems to do the trick.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbr



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 14:43:20 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:43:20 -0700
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
In-Reply-To: <54908734.7080908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqcrwoF=sKyN_XFcOysMpvF4Cs_CazuaYo_5wTuMutFJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54906878.80204@fourthworld.com>
	<CAG1cpSqW25LpAkbadJkWtgKM0DBYYd_Ftqj9m0K05zxkkHitww@mail.gmail.com>
	<54908734.7080908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoPLoPL4Lz-WcYtDYt=aotiPzR8=n+reU-3wHbE9rMLaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Got it.

In 7.0, first do this..

put the cRevGeneral["stackfileversion"] of stack "stackname"  If its empty,
it means it was created in an earlier version of LC, and hasn't been saved
using "save as legacy whatever" at any point.

SO if that one is empty then get revstackfileversion(the filename of stack
"stackname") which I believe does as mentioned and checks the first bytes.
However, if the file was created in 7, the first method works, and if a
stack is created with 7 and then saved as, the
cRevGeneral["stackfileversion"] of the property is updated and will contain
the version.

Ah k. 6.6.2 does not have revstackfileversion(), but new stacks created
with 6.6.2 have the cRevGeneral["stackfileversion"] property, so it should
work fine. (I think) Tho I was recently sent a version that had the 5.5
format, and it did NOT have the property set.  7 was able to get the
version with its revstackfile() function.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:25 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:
>
> On 12/16/2014, 12:18 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>
>> IF I can dig up how
>> the engine tracks the version for stacks, i'll letcha know.
>>
>
> I'm pretty sure it must be reading the first few bytes of the file, like
> Klaus said. As far as I know, that's the only place the info is stored.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 14:44:58 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 12:44:58 -0700
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
In-Reply-To: <9EBE1A53-94F1-4CF0-896D-1DC296522EAE@gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqcrwoF=sKyN_XFcOysMpvF4Cs_CazuaYo_5wTuMutFJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54906878.80204@fourthworld.com>
	<CAG1cpSqW25LpAkbadJkWtgKM0DBYYd_Ftqj9m0K05zxkkHitww@mail.gmail.com>
	<54908734.7080908@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9EBE1A53-94F1-4CF0-896D-1DC296522EAE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqLrHMw=JNjXxv-Yo_z7M_UjmwCMO=GoVpfNV+pfnEkPw@mail.gmail.com>

For those who use multiple version, the manual way is best.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Dec 16, 2014, at 2:25 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> > On 12/16/2014, 12:18 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> >> IF I can dig up how
> >> the engine tracks the version for stacks, i'll letcha know.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure it must be reading the first few bytes of the file, like
> Klaus said. As far as I know, that's the only place the info is stored.
>
> so,
> put char 1 to 8 of url ("file:" & the effective filename of this stack)
> seems to do the trick.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbr
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 15:24:46 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:24:46 -0700
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqLrHMw=JNjXxv-Yo_z7M_UjmwCMO=GoVpfNV+pfnEkPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqcrwoF=sKyN_XFcOysMpvF4Cs_CazuaYo_5wTuMutFJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54906878.80204@fourthworld.com>
	<CAG1cpSqW25LpAkbadJkWtgKM0DBYYd_Ftqj9m0K05zxkkHitww@mail.gmail.com>
	<54908734.7080908@hyperactivesw.com>
	<9EBE1A53-94F1-4CF0-896D-1DC296522EAE@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqLrHMw=JNjXxv-Yo_z7M_UjmwCMO=GoVpfNV+pfnEkPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqNEDWUj4i0eO_qhoRwSaFnuvE4WjEFcUj4Eoq7STp=3g@mail.gmail.com>

just created a stack in lc, 4.6.3 and saved it, the
crevgeneral["stackfileversion"] of stack "testing" reports 2.7.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For those who use multiple version, the manual way is best.
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2014, at 2:25 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>> > On 12/16/2014, 12:18 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>> >> IF I can dig up how
>> >> the engine tracks the version for stacks, i'll letcha know.
>> >
>> > I'm pretty sure it must be reading the first few bytes of the file,
>> like Klaus said. As far as I know, that's the only place the info is stored.
>>
>> so,
>> put char 1 to 8 of url ("file:" & the effective filename of this stack)
>> seems to do the trick.
>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbr
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 16 15:39:01 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:39:01 -0600
Subject: Determine the LC version of an existing stack
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqNEDWUj4i0eO_qhoRwSaFnuvE4WjEFcUj4Eoq7STp=3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG1cpSqcrwoF=sKyN_XFcOysMpvF4Cs_CazuaYo_5wTuMutFJw@mail.gmail.com>	<54906878.80204@fourthworld.com>	<CAG1cpSqW25LpAkbadJkWtgKM0DBYYd_Ftqj9m0K05zxkkHitww@mail.gmail.com>	<54908734.7080908@hyperactivesw.com>	<9EBE1A53-94F1-4CF0-896D-1DC296522EAE@gmail.com>	<CAG1cpSqLrHMw=JNjXxv-Yo_z7M_UjmwCMO=GoVpfNV+pfnEkPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSqNEDWUj4i0eO_qhoRwSaFnuvE4WjEFcUj4Eoq7STp=3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54909865.4070107@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/16/2014, 2:24 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> just created a stack in lc, 4.6.3 and saved it, the
> crevgeneral["stackfileversion"] of stack "testing" reports 2.7.

There are only three stackfileversions (well, four, but the very 
earliest stacks didn't have the property.) They are:

2.7
5.5
7.0

These represent the file format of the stack on disk, one new version 
for each time the stack structure was changed. Stack structures are not 
changed very often.

What would be more useful to me would be a property that returns what 
*engine* version the stack was last saved in. HyperCard did that, but we 
don't have such a thing, so if you need that info you have to save it 
yourself as a custom property of the stack.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 16:38:39 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 13:38:39 -0800
Subject: postgres replication
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEiAh0nDKM2UETO7h6wiJhknP7Nh7X3d8qo=dtfeBkfgg@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone worked with postgres replication through livecode?  Apparently,
automatic replication is supposed to appear in 9.4, but I'd like an easy
way to keep 2-4 postgres servers "reasonably" synchronized until then


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 17:10:58 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:10:58 -0600
Subject: Anyone wired up the Cloudinary API?
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtrNgaBa77vUsYX0nUG=NBv=VbKy3cQRi3x_fUgEtb309g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm thinking about uploading/retrieving images, and wondering if anyone has
already done it?


From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 17:16:31 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:16:31 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>

With just a few minutes in, it appears that RC4 bombs at least as
frequently as RC3 :(

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 17:17:34 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:17:34 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> With just a few minutes in, it appears that RC4 bombs at least as
> frequently as RC3 :(
>

It may be happening during disk save--I've just gotten corrupted files of
2.2M a couple of times (full stack is 15.1M)
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 17:42:01 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:42:01 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSE375YPR8xgKr=yVijwVfYYHj1B9gnz2S89Qie2p=TVqQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> It may be happening during disk save--I've just gotten corrupted files of
> 2.2M a couple of times (full stack is 15.1M)
>

It is most definitely either saving when the crash happens, or it is making
a failed attempt to save when something has gone wrong.

No crash report; just OSX reporting that it quit unexpectedly.



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From eric at canelasoftware.com  Tue Dec 16 17:46:51 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:46:51 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSE375YPR8xgKr=yVijwVfYYHj1B9gnz2S89Qie2p=TVqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSE375YPR8xgKr=yVijwVfYYHj1B9gnz2S89Qie2p=TVqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E0B9114D-F72B-45AC-919D-BE93F38592C6@canelasoftware.com>

One of my stacks was crashing on save in 7.0.1 (rc 4). I deleted everything I could including script up to the point that it would not crash anymore and will send it to LC.

Submitted bug 14239 with a crash log.

Trevore also submitted a bug 14227 with a crash log.

- eric


On Dec 16, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It may be happening during disk save--I've just gotten corrupted files of
>> 2.2M a couple of times (full stack is 15.1M)
>> 
> 
> It is most definitely either saving when the crash happens, or it is making
> a failed attempt to save when something has gone wrong.
> 
> No crash report; just OSX reporting that it quit unexpectedly.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 17:51:55 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:51:55 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1 redraws IDE too many times
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGoW8JBNSdj7mRP28f_0rcGhXe+nyNgd7X54i2o7wLCEw@mail.gmail.com>

It's been nagging at the edge of conscious for a bit, and now I see it.

I first registered that the code section moved at least twice after the
window opened.

Now I just saw some more jiggling while hovering over a variable in the IDE
trying to select it.

The screen is being redrawn *way* to many times.  Did someone forget a
lockscreen?

This would go a long way towards fixing the sluggishness problems.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 17:54:37 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:54:37 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1 redraws IDE too many times
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGoW8JBNSdj7mRP28f_0rcGhXe+nyNgd7X54i2o7wLCEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSGoW8JBNSdj7mRP28f_0rcGhXe+nyNgd7X54i2o7wLCEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGNawHfA+mKTQEFdpTHWGL7YwSKA2b_jKko4B3PLPLyzw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The screen is being redrawn *way* to many times.  Did someone forget a
> lockscreen?
>

Another hint: with two code tabs loaded, I click into the find window, and
see the double-redrawa couple pixels to the right each time.  (both are
5k-8k line handlers)


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 17:56:07 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 14:56:07 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <E0B9114D-F72B-45AC-919D-BE93F38592C6@canelasoftware.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSE375YPR8xgKr=yVijwVfYYHj1B9gnz2S89Qie2p=TVqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0B9114D-F72B-45AC-919D-BE93F38592C6@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFWuPsa7nrihUTy9orFw7a7FO-rh7+TXiLP1ANX9Mc=xA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com>
wrote:
>
> One of my stacks was crashing on save in 7.0.1 (rc 4). I deleted
> everything I could including script up to the point that it would not crash
> anymore and will send it to LC.


In my case, it's the "Background" or emergency saves, rather than any that
I triggered manually.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 18:00:32 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:00:32 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFWuPsa7nrihUTy9orFw7a7FO-rh7+TXiLP1ANX9Mc=xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSE375YPR8xgKr=yVijwVfYYHj1B9gnz2S89Qie2p=TVqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0B9114D-F72B-45AC-919D-BE93F38592C6@canelasoftware.com>
	<CANQHZSFWuPsa7nrihUTy9orFw7a7FO-rh7+TXiLP1ANX9Mc=xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFXsF1BV_fxazHU2m3utO275bZyDHorjh5_kpAn_iKobg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In my case, it's the "Background" or emergency saves, rather than any that
> I triggered manually.
>

I take that back; it just did on a manual save.



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec 16 18:02:19 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:02:19 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFWuPsa7nrihUTy9orFw7a7FO-rh7+TXiLP1ANX9Mc=xA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFWuPsa7nrihUTy9orFw7a7FO-rh7+TXiLP1ANX9Mc=xA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5490B9FB.8030207@fourthworld.com>

Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> One of my stacks was crashing on save in 7.0.1 (rc 4). I deleted
>> everything I could including script up to the point that it would not crash
>> anymore and will send it to LC.
>
> In my case, it's the "Background" or emergency saves, rather than any that
> I triggered manually.

What is a "background" save?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 18:04:11 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:04:11 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <5490B9FB.8030207@fourthworld.com>
References: <CANQHZSFWuPsa7nrihUTy9orFw7a7FO-rh7+TXiLP1ANX9Mc=xA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5490B9FB.8030207@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSF+WOStz86cwiEErNTtO75A-QV_MAs_TSTw6FJ9Y0iRcQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:
>
> What is a "background" save?


doesn't it periodically update the ~ rescue file, or some such?

If not, then it's recognizing a problem and attempting to save

I just triggered another one just by hitting save three times in an  editor
window. . .


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 16 18:06:16 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:06:16 -0600
Subject: 7.0.1 redraws IDE too many times
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGoW8JBNSdj7mRP28f_0rcGhXe+nyNgd7X54i2o7wLCEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSGoW8JBNSdj7mRP28f_0rcGhXe+nyNgd7X54i2o7wLCEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5490BAE8.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/16/2014, 4:51 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> It's been nagging at the edge of conscious for a bit, and now I see it.
>
> I first registered that the code section moved at least twice after the
> window opened.
>
> Now I just saw some more jiggling while hovering over a variable in the IDE
> trying to select it.
>
> The screen is being redrawn *way* to many times.  Did someone forget a
> lockscreen?
>
> This would go a long way towards fixing the sluggishness problems.
>
>

I sure wish you'd put these things into the QCC where someone in a 
position to fix it would be made aware. The engineers won't see it here, 
and there's nothing we can do.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 18:13:43 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:13:43 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1 redraws IDE too many times
In-Reply-To: <5490BAE8.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CANQHZSGoW8JBNSdj7mRP28f_0rcGhXe+nyNgd7X54i2o7wLCEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5490BAE8.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHr=aYxxndbjmwYhMXOx2j7D+_=-4HcOz98w37d6N0XPA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:06 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:
>
> I sure wish you'd put these things into the QCC where someone in a
> position to fix it would be made aware. The engineers won't see it here,
> and there's nothing we can do.
>

Is this enough?

It's now but 14241:

Unfortunately, I can't back this one with hard data, but I think I finally
see the pattern.

It appears that the IDE window is being excessively redrawn.

With two tabs open in the IDE editor, if I hit cmd-f for search, and then
click in the box, I can usually see the text area and line numbers jump
wtice, moments apart.  I've seen this for a while.

Today I noticed, and drew the connection, when I was hovering over a
variable value to copy it.  The line for that variable "swam" on the
screen, suggesting repeated redraw.

(this machine is maverick; I've seen the wiggling code on Yosemite, too)



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 18:14:13 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:14:13 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <E0B9114D-F72B-45AC-919D-BE93F38592C6@canelasoftware.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSE375YPR8xgKr=yVijwVfYYHj1B9gnz2S89Qie2p=TVqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0B9114D-F72B-45AC-919D-BE93F38592C6@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSF_wBoFRdg-7-yHficLdvsuSjaO=vycurWjDkEkiTsz3w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com>
wrote:
>
> Submitted bug 14239 with a crash log.
>

I added a crash log to your bug.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 16 18:21:19 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:21:19 -0600
Subject: 7.0.1 redraws IDE too many times
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHr=aYxxndbjmwYhMXOx2j7D+_=-4HcOz98w37d6N0XPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSGoW8JBNSdj7mRP28f_0rcGhXe+nyNgd7X54i2o7wLCEw@mail.gmail.com>	<5490BAE8.9070009@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSHr=aYxxndbjmwYhMXOx2j7D+_=-4HcOz98w37d6N0XPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5490BE6F.4030202@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/16/2014, 5:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:06 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I sure wish you'd put these things into the QCC where someone in a
>> position to fix it would be made aware. The engineers won't see it here,
>> and there's nothing we can do.
>>
>
> Is this enough?
>
> It's now but 14241:
>
> Unfortunately, I can't back this one with hard data, but I think I finally
> see the pattern.
>
> It appears that the IDE window is being excessively redrawn.
>
> With two tabs open in the IDE editor, if I hit cmd-f for search, and then
> click in the box, I can usually see the text area and line numbers jump
> wtice, moments apart.  I've seen this for a while.
>
> Today I noticed, and drew the connection, when I was hovering over a
> variable value to copy it.  The line for that variable "swam" on the
> screen, suggesting repeated redraw.
>
> (this machine is maverick; I've seen the wiggling code on Yosemite, too)

Thanks. Hopefully it's enough, especially since there's no specific code 
that causes it. They should be able to reproduce it.

I'm glad you did that. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 18:46:14 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:46:14 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSF_wBoFRdg-7-yHficLdvsuSjaO=vycurWjDkEkiTsz3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSE375YPR8xgKr=yVijwVfYYHj1B9gnz2S89Qie2p=TVqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0B9114D-F72B-45AC-919D-BE93F38592C6@canelasoftware.com>
	<CANQHZSF_wBoFRdg-7-yHficLdvsuSjaO=vycurWjDkEkiTsz3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHkfLuR7K3kpg+KSQDz9QMPws-fSneTjwO3y4O1AdJXnA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I added a crash log to your bug.


Just thought of something . . .

Do the other people who see this have windows spread across multiple
screens?

Just tried staying on one screen, which didn't stop the crash.

After several failed tries in a row to save a three line change, I reloaded
7.0.2.  It saved just fine, and took several cmd-s in a row.



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From eric at canelasoftware.com  Tue Dec 16 18:48:47 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:48:47 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSHkfLuR7K3kpg+KSQDz9QMPws-fSneTjwO3y4O1AdJXnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSE375YPR8xgKr=yVijwVfYYHj1B9gnz2S89Qie2p=TVqQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<E0B9114D-F72B-45AC-919D-BE93F38592C6@canelasoftware.com>
	<CANQHZSF_wBoFRdg-7-yHficLdvsuSjaO=vycurWjDkEkiTsz3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSHkfLuR7K3kpg+KSQDz9QMPws-fSneTjwO3y4O1AdJXnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7A00C953-86EB-4FE8-9791-F90EFCAFED6F@canelasoftware.com>

My issue caused LC to crash with every cmd-s. A Crash Log opened, the stack was saved, but corrupt, and the original was backed up using [file name].livecode~

- e


On Dec 16, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I added a crash log to your bug.
> 
> 
> Just thought of something . . .
> 
> Do the other people who see this have windows spread across multiple
> screens?
> 
> Just tried staying on one screen, which didn't stop the crash.
> 
> After several failed tries in a row to save a three line change, I reloaded
> 7.0.2.  It saved just fine, and took several cmd-s in a row.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Dec 16 19:06:45 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:06:45 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSF+WOStz86cwiEErNTtO75A-QV_MAs_TSTw6FJ9Y0iRcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSF+WOStz86cwiEErNTtO75A-QV_MAs_TSTw6FJ9Y0iRcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5490C915.9040001@fourthworld.com>

Dr. Hawkins wrote:

 > On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >>
 >> What is a "background" save?
 >
 > doesn't it periodically update the ~ rescue file, or some such?
 >
 > If not, then it's recognizing a problem and attempting to save

Probably the latter (almost certainly so given the subsequent posts from 
others about RC4 that have come in).

The ~ file is the first of two steps the engine takes when saving: 
whenever a save command is issues for a stack file, the engine first 
makes a backup of the last saved copy to the ~ filw, then writes a fresh 
copy into the original file name, and after completing the checksum on 
that it deletes the ~ file.

This is probably borne of Dr. Raney's Unix roots - LC originated on Unix 
where that sort of auto-backup is common.

This save bug seems like a particularly nasty regression, but the bug 
reports from Eric and Trevor hopefully RunRev will get an RC5 out ASAP.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 19:14:41 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:14:41 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <5490C915.9040001@fourthworld.com>
References: <CANQHZSF+WOStz86cwiEErNTtO75A-QV_MAs_TSTw6FJ9Y0iRcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5490C915.9040001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSH-u8aSjEe5NjJdvu47-WiyATLSrWkM_di+V7R6N+4u5A@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:
>
> This save bug seems like a particularly nasty regression, but the bug
> reports from Eric and Trevor hopefully RunRev will get an RC5 out ASAP.


I am now fairly certain that it became bad in RC3.

I'm using RC2 now, and have only had one crash in half an hour.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Dec  2 06:48:22 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:48:22 +0000
Subject: hide / show oddities ?
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP202ACFEA5B169CAAE8AACD0A5710@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.4876.1417085563.20523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP202ACFEA5B169CAAE8AACD0A5710@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <547DA706.7030308@tweedly.net>

Thanks everyone for the suggestions, experiences, etc.

Definitely not mismatched lock / unlock, since all the other parts of 
the screen are fully updated.

I couldn't (naturally) recreate anything in a smaller sample, nor even 
reliably be sure to make it happen on demand. I finished up using a 
pattern rather like

    show grp "abc"
    set the vis of grp "abc" to true
    wait 0 millisecs with messages

every time I want to show or hide things (and had seen a problem).

No visible problems now - and no real idea how to try to track it down 
any further. I'll build an artificial deeply nested group structure in a 
stack, and randomly change the hide/show status of different groups 
within it, and test for visibility mismatches - and leave that running 
as a test. If that shows anything, I'll submit a bug report (and update 
this list for info - but I won't hold my breath :-)

Thanks again
-- Alex.



On 27/11/2014 11:13, Alan Stenhouse wrote:
> Possibly mismatched lock screen / unlock screen ? (Though still seems very weird and sounds like a bug).
>
>
> On 27/11/2014, at 11:52 AM, use-livecode-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
>> From: Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net>
>> To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
>> Subject: hide / show oddities ?
>> Message-ID: <5475BD91.6090904 at tweedly.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> This feels so unlikely that I wonder if I'm simply doing something wrong
>> - but thought I'd ask first.
>>
>> I had a script which is supposed to (amongst other things) hide one
>> particular group. Although it usually worked OK, in some cases,
>> sometimes, the group would remain visible when it is not supposed to.
>> Trying to find this in the IDE/debugger wasn't getting anywhere, so I
>> reverted to using "put"s (but still in the IDE). I finished up after a
>> few iterations with some code that said
>>
>>
>> ......
>> hide grp "abcde"
>> put "here now" && the vis of grp "abcde" &CR after msg
>> ....
>>
>> and it output
>>       here now true
> ...
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From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 23:22:31 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 04:22:31 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

Is anyone successfully using Andre Garzia's FacebookLib library on mobile?

I'm getting the following error when trying to log into Facebook from the
demo mobile app, but using my app's key - previously this was all working:

"Given URL is not allowed by the Application configuration.: One or more of
the given URLs is not allowed by the App's settings. It must match the
Website URL or Canvas URL, or the domain must be a subdomain of one of the
App's domains."

I've tried to work out what the problem is - that error message is
mentioned on Stackoverload and elsewhere but only in the context of web
apps, not mobile.

I emailed Andre 3 or 4 weeks ago and he said FB had changed something and
he'd get back to me. He hasn't replied to more recent follow up emails.


Gerry


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Dec 17 01:49:45 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:49:45 +0100
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>

Gerry,

A few follow-up e-mails within 4 weeks is really too much. Try again in 
a few months. It isn't easy to fix something like this, especially if 
you're busy like Andre.

--
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On 12/17/2014 05:22, Gerry wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Is anyone successfully using Andre Garzia's FacebookLib library on mobile?
>
> I'm getting the following error when trying to log into Facebook from the
> demo mobile app, but using my app's key - previously this was all working:
>
> "Given URL is not allowed by the Application configuration.: One or more of
> the given URLs is not allowed by the App's settings. It must match the
> Website URL or Canvas URL, or the domain must be a subdomain of one of the
> App's domains."
>
> I've tried to work out what the problem is - that error message is
> mentioned on Stackoverload and elsewhere but only in the context of web
> apps, not mobile.
>
> I emailed Andre 3 or 4 weeks ago and he said FB had changed something and
> he'd get back to me. He hasn't replied to more recent follow up emails.
>
>
> Gerry
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>



From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 01:57:40 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:57:40 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Really? I should wait a few *months*? It's a commercial product!

g

On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 5:50:12 PM Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Gerry,
>
> A few follow-up e-mails within 4 weeks is really too much. Try again in
> a few months. It isn't easy to fix something like this, especially if
> you're busy like Andre.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
> On 12/17/2014 05:22, Gerry wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > Is anyone successfully using Andre Garzia's FacebookLib library on
> mobile?
> >
> > I'm getting the following error when trying to log into Facebook from the
> > demo mobile app, but using my app's key - previously this was all
> working:
> >
> > "Given URL is not allowed by the Application configuration.: One or more
> of
> > the given URLs is not allowed by the App's settings. It must match the
> > Website URL or Canvas URL, or the domain must be a subdomain of one of
> the
> > App's domains."
> >
> > I've tried to work out what the problem is - that error message is
> > mentioned on Stackoverload and elsewhere but only in the context of web
> > apps, not mobile.
> >
> > I emailed Andre 3 or 4 weeks ago and he said FB had changed something and
> > he'd get back to me. He hasn't replied to more recent follow up emails.
> >
> >
> > Gerry
> > _______________________________________________
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Dec 17 02:14:02 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:14:02 +0100
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>

LiveCode is a commercial product too. Quite a few bugs were reported a 
decade ago and were not fixed.

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On 12/17/2014 07:57, Gerry wrote:
> Really? I should wait a few *months*? It's a commercial product!
>
> g
>
> On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 5:50:12 PM Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>
>> Gerry,
>>
>> A few follow-up e-mails within 4 weeks is really too much. Try again in
>> a few months. It isn't easy to fix something like this, especially if
>> you're busy like Andre.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>> http://qery.us/468
>>
>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
>> http://qery.us/3fi
>>
>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>
>> On 12/17/2014 05:22, Gerry wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Is anyone successfully using Andre Garzia's FacebookLib library on
>> mobile?
>>>
>>> I'm getting the following error when trying to log into Facebook from the
>>> demo mobile app, but using my app's key - previously this was all
>> working:
>>>
>>> "Given URL is not allowed by the Application configuration.: One or more
>> of
>>> the given URLs is not allowed by the App's settings. It must match the
>>> Website URL or Canvas URL, or the domain must be a subdomain of one of
>> the
>>> App's domains."
>>>
>>> I've tried to work out what the problem is - that error message is
>>> mentioned on Stackoverload and elsewhere but only in the context of web
>>> apps, not mobile.
>>>
>>> I emailed Andre 3 or 4 weeks ago and he said FB had changed something and
>>> he'd get back to me. He hasn't replied to more recent follow up emails.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerry
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 03:46:18 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:46:18 +0000
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH-u8aSjEe5NjJdvu47-WiyATLSrWkM_di+V7R6N+4u5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSF+WOStz86cwiEErNTtO75A-QV_MAs_TSTw6FJ9Y0iRcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5490C915.9040001@fourthworld.com>
	<CANQHZSH-u8aSjEe5NjJdvu47-WiyATLSrWkM_di+V7R6N+4u5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-GB373O=jTouD1aOwES-7PcmrrYaMeTbTA5Gg7gvH3ruw@mail.gmail.com>

I started using 6.7 recently, but gave up using it when my stack got
corrupted. I wouldn't say this was a particularly complicated stack,
consisting of 3 images, a couple of fields and about 6 buttons, spread over
2 cards.  There's about 1200 lines of scripts and a few dozen custom
properties.

6.7 produced the beachball of death.  After killing Livecode, 6.7 would no
longer open the stack it had previously saved.  Luckily I could open the
stack in 5.5 and remove the few 6.7 new language features I was using.  But
it made me very reluctant to go back to using 6.7.  I'm considering trying
7.x but these reports make me wary of that.  Working in the new 7.x stack
format one probably can't even go back to a 5.x series and open a corrupted
stack there.

Such major disasters have very rare in my 10 years of using Livecode.

Bernard


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am now fairly certain that it became bad in RC3.
>
> I'm using RC2 now, and have only had one crash in half an hour.
>
>
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 04:27:11 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:27:11 +0200
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>

On 17/12/14 00:17, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> With just a few minutes in, it appears that RC4 bombs at least as
>> frequently as RC3 :(
>>
> It may be happening during disk save--I've just gotten corrupted files of
> 2.2M a couple of times (full stack is 15.1M)

Some people never learn.

Keep away from anything except tried and tested stable releases if you 
are doing anything mission critical.

Richmond.



From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 04:37:02 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:37:02 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFHJdtWYB9qeqSwsYxa+GVPG6VzFbkAvqp14Mud47JQp4g@mail.gmail.com>

Yep but the LiveCode product is largely usable in spite of those bugs. The
Facebook lib isn't at functional right now.

See the difference?

Gerry
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 at 6:14 pm, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> LiveCode is a commercial product too. Quite a few bugs were reported a
> decade ago and were not fixed.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> KvK: 50277553
>
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
>
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> http://qery.us/3fi
>
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>
> On 12/17/2014 07:57, Gerry wrote:
> > Really? I should wait a few *months*? It's a commercial product!
> >
> > g
> >
> > On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 5:50:12 PM Mark Schonewille <
> > m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Gerry,
> >>
> >> A few follow-up e-mails within 4 weeks is really too much. Try again in
> >> a few months. It isn't easy to fix something like this, especially if
> >> you're busy like Andre.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Mark Schonewille
> >>
> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> >> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
> >> KvK: 50277553
> >>
> >> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> >> http://qery.us/468
> >>
> >> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
> >> http://qery.us/3fi
> >>
> >> LiveCode on Facebook:
> >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> >>
> >> On 12/17/2014 05:22, Gerry wrote:
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone successfully using Andre Garzia's FacebookLib library on
> >> mobile?
> >>>
> >>> I'm getting the following error when trying to log into Facebook from
> the
> >>> demo mobile app, but using my app's key - previously this was all
> >> working:
> >>>
> >>> "Given URL is not allowed by the Application configuration.: One or
> more
> >> of
> >>> the given URLs is not allowed by the App's settings. It must match the
> >>> Website URL or Canvas URL, or the domain must be a subdomain of one of
> >> the
> >>> App's domains."
> >>>
> >>> I've tried to work out what the problem is - that error message is
> >>> mentioned on Stackoverload and elsewhere but only in the context of web
> >>> apps, not mobile.
> >>>
> >>> I emailed Andre 3 or 4 weeks ago and he said FB had changed something
> and
> >>> he'd get back to me. He hasn't replied to more recent follow up emails.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gerry
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> use-livecode mailing list
> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> >>>
> >>
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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Dec 17 04:59:19 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 01:59:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1418810359527-4686866.post@n4.nabble.com>

Gerry if a customer had come to me with a bug report and I had said I would
get back to him - and 3 or 4 weeks had gone by and I still hadn't contacted
him - then I would be feeling embarressed. 

I should think that something has occurred for Andre to have not emailed you
to at least explain the delay. I'd contact him again, maybe something has
taken place and he's become distracted.


Gerry Orkin wrote
> I emailed Andre 3 or 4 weeks ago and he said FB had changed something and
> he'd get back to me. He hasn't replied to more recent follow up emails.





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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Dec 17 05:33:20 2014
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:33:20 +0100
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <CAAxhhFHJdtWYB9qeqSwsYxa+GVPG6VzFbkAvqp14Mud47JQp4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFHJdtWYB9qeqSwsYxa+GVPG6VzFbkAvqp14Mud47JQp4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54915BF0.5080909@economy-x-talk.com>

Sure, Gerry. Go on, continue bugging Andre, if you think that it makes 
him more willing to help you.

--
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Installer Maker for LiveCode:
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On 12/17/2014 10:37, Gerry wrote:
> Yep but the LiveCode product is largely usable in spite of those bugs. The
> Facebook lib isn't at functional right now.
>
> See the difference?
>
> Gerry
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 at 6:14 pm, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>
>> LiveCode is a commercial product too. Quite a few bugs were reported a
>> decade ago and were not fixed.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>>
>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>> http://qery.us/468
>>
>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
>> http://qery.us/3fi
>>
>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>
>> On 12/17/2014 07:57, Gerry wrote:
>>> Really? I should wait a few *months*? It's a commercial product!
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>> On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 5:50:12 PM Mark Schonewille <
>>> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gerry,
>>>>
>>>> A few follow-up e-mails within 4 weeks is really too much. Try again in
>>>> a few months. It isn't easy to fix something like this, especially if
>>>> you're busy like Andre.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>>
>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>>
>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>>
>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
>>>> http://qery.us/3fi
>>>>
>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>>
>>>> On 12/17/2014 05:22, Gerry wrote:
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone successfully using Andre Garzia's FacebookLib library on
>>>> mobile?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm getting the following error when trying to log into Facebook from
>> the
>>>>> demo mobile app, but using my app's key - previously this was all
>>>> working:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Given URL is not allowed by the Application configuration.: One or
>> more
>>>> of
>>>>> the given URLs is not allowed by the App's settings. It must match the
>>>>> Website URL or Canvas URL, or the domain must be a subdomain of one of
>>>> the
>>>>> App's domains."
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried to work out what the problem is - that error message is
>>>>> mentioned on Stackoverload and elsewhere but only in the context of web
>>>>> apps, not mobile.
>>>>>
>>>>> I emailed Andre 3 or 4 weeks ago and he said FB had changed something
>> and
>>>>> he'd get back to me. He hasn't replied to more recent follow up emails.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerry
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>>
>>>>
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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Dec 17 05:38:29 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 02:38:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1418812709870-4686868.post@n4.nabble.com>

Gerry it's up to you how you take this forward, I don't agree with Mark's
stance and don't think you have behaved unreasonably.

Kind regards

Dave



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From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 06:24:57 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:24:57 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418812709870-4686868.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFHekd+9Gu1e9beHKb3j-UEQANKY6fxPhXpQLb5jtjat4A@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, how is a couple of emails in the 3-4 week period following my
original query "bugging" someone? Especially when they had promised to get
back to me?

Gerry

On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 9:47:58 PM Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
wrote:

> Gerry it's up to you how you take this forward, I don't agree with Mark's
> stance and don't think you have behaved unreasonably.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 06:24:57 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:24:57 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1418812709870-4686868.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFHekd+9Gu1e9beHKb3j-UEQANKY6fxPhXpQLb5jtjat4A@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, how is a couple of emails in the 3-4 week period following my
original query "bugging" someone? Especially when they had promised to get
back to me?

Gerry

On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 9:47:58 PM Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
wrote:

> Gerry it's up to you how you take this forward, I don't agree with Mark's
> stance and don't think you have behaved unreasonably.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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From rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch  Wed Dec 17 07:25:29 2014
From: rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:25:29 +0100
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1418814002.30861.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1418814002.30861.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EC173601-1537-4167-9668-3BF3DAE33155@id.uzh.ch>

Hello all

I now see these crashes with 7.0.1-RC4 on OS X as well.
Unfortunately no recipe yet.

The stack is very simple 1 button and 1 image, all I
can say is that when I click on the stack after the crash
it would not load this stack again (corrupted).

No crashes with 7.0.1-RC2



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Wed Dec 17 08:38:30 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:38:30 +0100
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <F509706D-9370-4F2A-BE64-F69505B90511@m-r-d.de>



> Am 17.12.2014 um 07:49 schrieb Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>:
> 
> Gerry,
> 
> A few follow-up e-mails within 4 weeks is really too much. Try again in a few months. It isn't easy to fix something like this, especially if you're busy like Andre.
> 

If that?s the way you are thinking support has to be done then i am really glad i did not renew my Installer Maker license.









From mkoob at rogers.com  Wed Dec 17 09:23:25 2014
From: mkoob at rogers.com (Martin Koob)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:23:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: bug or feature in player filename?
In-Reply-To: <76AC845E-E0E2-4223-B92E-0A20EEEC57E7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
References: <76AC845E-E0E2-4223-B92E-0A20EEEC57E7@doctorTimothyMiller.com>
Message-ID: <1418826205399-4686872.post@n4.nabble.com>

Quick work from the RunRev team addressing this!  The bug for the missing
error message in the result is already awaiting build, the other is
assigned.

I have posted another bug for documentation so that info on the missing
error message will be included in the docs.
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14252

Thanks again Timothy for bringing the issue to light.  And thanks Jacque for
pointing out how it is supposed to work.

Martin



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From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 09:36:42 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:36:42 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSErp6P9nKaQT3mcm15FMrzUsCYXp=UZH9mA4iDuNfbtAw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Some people never learn.
>
>
Oh, I've learned. I have staggering numbers of checkpointed stacks.


> Keep away from anything except tried and tested stable releases if you are
> doing anything mission critical.
>

The choice isn't 7 or 5.5; it's 7 or dump livecode.  The lack of scaling
when preparing forms is a show-stopper.

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 09:38:53 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:38:53 -0800
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>
> LiveCode is a commercial product too. Quite a few bugs were reported a
> decade ago and were not fixed.
>

Livecode is hardly a decent example of upgrade and  maintenance for a
commercial product . . .


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From ray at linkit.com  Wed Dec 17 10:01:04 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:01:04 -0300
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video on Macs
In-Reply-To: <5487386D.4080803@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1264.1418066526.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>	<DC2BCA83-79EA-4402-986D-9F2D2CAAA60E@netrin.com>
	<5487386D.4080803@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54919AB0.7040807@LinkIt.Com>

When I do the following on my Mac OSX 10.7.1 running Quicktime 7.7.1 I 
hear the audio but I can't see the video.

I drag a player object to a new main stack and change the source from 
the Livecode's Sample.mov file to Apple's Sample_iPod.m4v movie or any 
other .m4v file.  Playing it gives me audio but no video.

If I choose the edit tool in Livecode while the movie is play suddenly 
video plays.  Return to Livecode's browse tool and video stops while 
audio continues.

This is no problem at all in Livecode 6.5.2 using the same platform, 
same system and same Quicktime version.  It's also no problem on my 
Windows 8.1 system in either version of Livecode.

Is this really a bug or am I missing something?  If it's a bug does 
anybody know if it's been reported?



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 10:27:58 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:27:58 -0700
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <EC173601-1537-4167-9668-3BF3DAE33155@id.uzh.ch>
References: <mailman.3.1418814002.30861.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<EC173601-1537-4167-9668-3BF3DAE33155@id.uzh.ch>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqpAcFP3NCfxxHunB4+jh9JNzi=5b54v8Y7Wmp48YMtPw@mail.gmail.com>

Will it open if you use the file menu?  Theres a bug (in some versions,
quite a few in fact) where a double click to open a stack just doesn't work
right, but opening from the file menu does.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Rolf Kocherhans <rolf.kocherhans at id.uzh.ch>
wrote:
>
> Hello all
>
> I now see these crashes with 7.0.1-RC4 on OS X as well.
> Unfortunately no recipe yet.
>
> The stack is very simple 1 button and 1 image, all I
> can say is that when I click on the stack after the crash
> it would not load this stack again (corrupted).
>
> No crashes with 7.0.1-RC2
>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 17 10:43:31 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:43:31 +0000
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <548F59E4.4010702@gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F59E4.4010702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1589F414-0E9A-414C-80F0-38F4F8FEB9C3@iotecdigital.com>

erm?

put the controlidsof card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack ?Cheese? \
& " - " & \
the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack ?Cheese"

On Dec 15, 2014, at 14:00 , Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com<mailto:richmondmathewson at gmail.com>> wrote:

put the controlids & " - " & the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack "Cheese"


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 17 10:51:58 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:51:58 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <CAAxhhFHJdtWYB9qeqSwsYxa+GVPG6VzFbkAvqp14Mud47JQp4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFHJdtWYB9qeqSwsYxa+GVPG6VzFbkAvqp14Mud47JQp4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <575C202B-EB5C-4366-9240-010DE358B235@iotecdigital.com>

What version of LC was compatible with FacebookLib? Go back and use that until it?s resolved. If you think that?s not normal, I just had to rollback Exchange SP3 rollup 8 because of a serious bug. 

Bob S


> On Dec 17, 2014, at 01:37 , Gerry <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep but the LiveCode product is largely usable in spite of those bugs. The
> Facebook lib isn't at functional right now.
> 
> See the difference?
> 
> Gerry
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 at 6:14 pm, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
>> LiveCode is a commercial product too. Quite a few bugs were reported a
>> decade ago and were not fixed.
>> 
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Mark Schonewille
>> 
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>> KvK: 50277553
>> 
>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>> http://qery.us/468
>> 
>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
>> http://qery.us/3fi
>> 
>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>> 
>> On 12/17/2014 07:57, Gerry wrote:
>>> Really? I should wait a few *months*? It's a commercial product!
>>> 
>>> g
>>> 
>>> On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 5:50:12 PM Mark Schonewille <
>>> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Gerry,
>>>> 
>>>> A few follow-up e-mails within 4 weeks is really too much. Try again in
>>>> a few months. It isn't easy to fix something like this, especially if
>>>> you're busy like Andre.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>> 
>>>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>>>> Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
>>>> KvK: 50277553
>>>> 
>>>> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
>>>> http://qery.us/468
>>>> 
>>>> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner"
>>>> http://qery.us/3fi
>>>> 
>>>> LiveCode on Facebook:
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/17/2014 05:22, Gerry wrote:
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is anyone successfully using Andre Garzia's FacebookLib library on
>>>> mobile?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm getting the following error when trying to log into Facebook from
>> the
>>>>> demo mobile app, but using my app's key - previously this was all
>>>> working:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Given URL is not allowed by the Application configuration.: One or
>> more
>>>> of
>>>>> the given URLs is not allowed by the App's settings. It must match the
>>>>> Website URL or Canvas URL, or the domain must be a subdomain of one of
>>>> the
>>>>> App's domains."
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've tried to work out what the problem is - that error message is
>>>>> mentioned on Stackoverload and elsewhere but only in the context of web
>>>>> apps, not mobile.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I emailed Andre 3 or 4 weeks ago and he said FB had changed something
>> and
>>>>> he'd get back to me. He hasn't replied to more recent follow up emails.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gerry
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 17 10:54:28 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:54:28 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>

Thank goodness the software engineers do *NOT* monitor this list. They would likely have become severely depressed by the criticism here, and all given up out of despair and depression. They would probably be in therapy by now. 

Bob S


> On Dec 17, 2014, at 06:38 , Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Mark Schonewille <
> m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>> 
>> LiveCode is a commercial product too. Quite a few bugs were reported a
>> decade ago and were not fixed.
>> 
> 
> Livecode is hardly a decent example of upgrade and  maintenance for a
> commercial product . . .
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 17 10:55:50 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:55:50 +0000
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <1589F414-0E9A-414C-80F0-38F4F8FEB9C3@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F59E4.4010702@gmail.com>
	<1589F414-0E9A-414C-80F0-38F4F8FEB9C3@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <4F937CA5-0E80-443A-B6AE-1E6E56A7FCF0@iotecdigital.com>

Whoops!

put the controlidsof card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" \
& " - " & \
the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack ?Cheese?



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec 17 10:57:06 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:57:06 -0600
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSErp6P9nKaQT3mcm15FMrzUsCYXp=UZH9mA4iDuNfbtAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSErp6P9nKaQT3mcm15FMrzUsCYXp=UZH9mA4iDuNfbtAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <129FCEA1-EB29-4A56-8EB3-A94791A53A96@hyperactivesw.com>

I've been doing all client work in 6.6.5 which I've found to be very stable. My client is running what I write in 6.7 without issues. Both of these are stable releases and have the feature you need. You might try one of those until 7.0 gets sorted out. 

On December 17, 2014 8:36:42 AM CST, "Dr. Hawkins" <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The choice isn't 7 or 5.5; it's 7 or dump livecode.  The lack of
>scaling
>when preparing forms is a show-stopper.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec 17 10:57:23 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:57:23 +0100
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <4F937CA5-0E80-443A-B6AE-1E6E56A7FCF0@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F59E4.4010702@gmail.com>
	<1589F414-0E9A-414C-80F0-38F4F8FEB9C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<4F937CA5-0E80-443A-B6AE-1E6E56A7FCF0@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <F4FBFB83-68E4-4F28-A4E4-2825BA5CCF52@major-k.de>

Good morning Bob,

> Am 17.12.2014 um 16:55 schrieb Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>:
> 
> Whoops!
> 
> put the controlidsof card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" \
> & " - " & \
> the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack ?Cheese?

thank you, we already cleared this out the day before yesterday :-D


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 17 11:15:49 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:15:49 +0000
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <F4FBFB83-68E4-4F28-A4E4-2825BA5CCF52@major-k.de>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F59E4.4010702@gmail.com>
	<1589F414-0E9A-414C-80F0-38F4F8FEB9C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<4F937CA5-0E80-443A-B6AE-1E6E56A7FCF0@iotecdigital.com>
	<F4FBFB83-68E4-4F28-A4E4-2825BA5CCF52@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <19600988-F8DB-47D2-B9CA-5C823EB61354@iotecdigital.com>

Yes as I said, since my threading in my email for this list is now completely hosed, I get everyone?s responses way up the list of emails after the original was sent. I think it has to do with some people using the mailing list and others using the web portal. 

Bob S


> On Dec 17, 2014, at 07:57 , Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> 
> Good morning Bob,
> 
>> Am 17.12.2014 um 16:55 schrieb Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>:
>> 
>> Whoops!
>> 
>> put the controlidsof card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" \
>> & " - " & \
>> the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack ?Cheese?
> 
> thank you, we already cleared this out the day before yesterday :-D
> 
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
> 
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Dec 17 11:22:05 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:22:05 +0000
Subject: revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
Message-ID: <DUB114-W86F0B4F43E218AF4F4326FED6D0@phx.gbl>

I have determined that I am stupid...:-)

I am having problems with this... in that I don't understand how to implement it at all. Has anyone been using this new command ?... I have been trying to use it to call functions in the google maps to do various things such as place markers, draw polylines, plot routes... and have failed miserably..

I am unable to find 'any' working examples !... Anyone know if they exist and if so where are they hidden ?

-- from 6.7 release notes--

The new chrome browser allows us to add the ability to call LiveCode handlers from within the browser using
JavaScript. To make a LiveCode handler visible to JavaScript, use the revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
command, and to remove it use the revBrowserRemoveJavaScriptHandler command. LiveCode handlers are
added as functions with the same name attached to a global 'liveCode' object. When called, these functions
will result in the corresponding LiveCode handler message being sent to the browser card with the browser
instance ID and any function arguments as parameters.

Example:
With the handler "myJSHandler" registered using revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler, it can be called from
the browser like so:

liveCode.myJSHandler(tFieldContents, tAction);
the LiveCode handler would then be called with the following parameters:

pBrowserInstance (the browser instance id, as returned from the revOpenBrowserCef function)
pFieldContents (the first argument of the JavaScript function call)
pAction (the second argument of the JavaScript function call)

thanks,

Dixie
 		 	   		  

From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Dec 17 11:23:49 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:23:49 +0100
Subject: controlids and controlnames properties
In-Reply-To: <19600988-F8DB-47D2-B9CA-5C823EB61354@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGDT7eNjxo-t5kA66dsGvcaT1WVkgqoXNPxr=_bK6CuQQ17YJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<548F59E4.4010702@gmail.com>
	<1589F414-0E9A-414C-80F0-38F4F8FEB9C3@iotecdigital.com>
	<4F937CA5-0E80-443A-B6AE-1E6E56A7FCF0@iotecdigital.com>
	<F4FBFB83-68E4-4F28-A4E4-2825BA5CCF52@major-k.de>
	<19600988-F8DB-47D2-B9CA-5C823EB61354@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <BE11461B-83E8-43B9-AC13-5347F70D4F25@major-k.de>

Hi Bob,

> Am 17.12.2014 um 17:15 schrieb Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>:
> 
> Yes as I said, since my threading in my email for this list is now completely hosed, I get everyone?s responses
> way up the list of emails after the original was sent. I think it has to do with some people using the mailing list
> and others using the web portal. 

OK, "thou shalt be forgiven"! :-)

> Bob S
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 07:57 , Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>> Good morning Bob,
>>> Am 17.12.2014 um 16:55 schrieb Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>:
>>> Whoops!
>>> put the controlidsof card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" \
>>> & " - " & \
>>> the controlnames of card "TRANS-HAL" of stack "DWPro" into fld "IDZ" of stack ?Cheese?
>> thank you, we already cleared this out the day before yesterday :-D

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From dave at applicationinsight.com  Wed Dec 17 11:39:48 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:39:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>

Bob, I certainly hope not! My experience of customer support from RunRev is
that is has been uniformly excellent and their helpfulness compares very
well with most other companies...


Bob Sneidar-2 wrote
> Thank goodness the software engineers do *NOT* monitor this list. They
> would likely have become severely depressed by the criticism here, and all
> given up out of despair and depression. They would probably be in therapy
> by now. 





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From bogdanoff at me.com  Tue Dec 16 20:38:57 2014
From: bogdanoff at me.com (Peter Bogdanoff)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:38:57 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH-u8aSjEe5NjJdvu47-WiyATLSrWkM_di+V7R6N+4u5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSF+WOStz86cwiEErNTtO75A-QV_MAs_TSTw6FJ9Y0iRcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5490C915.9040001@fourthworld.com>
	<CANQHZSH-u8aSjEe5NjJdvu47-WiyATLSrWkM_di+V7R6N+4u5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <407E0179-6B19-442D-9D1B-92E00DFF77CE@me.com>

I?m having crashes on save also.

Playing audio with the new AVFoundation player is whacked (I?m on Mavericks). I?m able to play multiple instances of the same audio file simultaneously through the one player, each playing to the end of the file but not controllable by the controller.

Other issues with the player as well show up in my large project which is very dependent on interactive audio with synced visuals. It all works in QuickTime, but QT has had resources and years to iron out bugs. I?m concerned that the new player is going to take a lot of my time reporting and documenting bugs, making sample stacks, and waiting for them to be fixed. My project is also multi-lingual (English-Chinese) which requires the Unicode improvements in LC7.

Peter Bogdanoff
UCLA


On Dec 16, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> This save bug seems like a particularly nasty regression, but the bug
>> reports from Eric and Trevor hopefully RunRev will get an RC5 out ASAP.
> 
> 
> I am now fairly certain that it became bad in RC3.
> 
> I'm using RC2 now, and have only had one crash in half an hour.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> (702) 508-8462
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 11:59:13 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:59:13 -0700
Subject: revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W86F0B4F43E218AF4F4326FED6D0@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W86F0B4F43E218AF4F4326FED6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrV-GwbVjRK3YKdFcTzB3oofdbgr2khrXN2fC0vFSGPJQ@mail.gmail.com>

You might look here: http://summerschool.livecode.com/index.php/sneak-peek
theres a very simple, straightforward example a little ways down that page.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:22 AM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I have determined that I am stupid...:-)
>
> I am having problems with this... in that I don't understand how to
> implement it at all. Has anyone been using this new command ?... I have
> been trying to use it to call functions in the google maps to do various
> things such as place markers, draw polylines, plot routes... and have
> failed miserably..
>
> I am unable to find 'any' working examples !... Anyone know if they exist
> and if so where are they hidden ?
>
> -- from 6.7 release notes--
>
> The new chrome browser allows us to add the ability to call LiveCode
> handlers from within the browser using
> JavaScript. To make a LiveCode handler visible to JavaScript, use the
> revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
> command, and to remove it use the revBrowserRemoveJavaScriptHandler
> command. LiveCode handlers are
> added as functions with the same name attached to a global 'liveCode'
> object. When called, these functions
> will result in the corresponding LiveCode handler message being sent to
> the browser card with the browser
> instance ID and any function arguments as parameters.
>
> Example:
> With the handler "myJSHandler" registered using
> revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler, it can be called from
> the browser like so:
>
> liveCode.myJSHandler(tFieldContents, tAction);
> the LiveCode handler would then be called with the following parameters:
>
> pBrowserInstance (the browser instance id, as returned from the
> revOpenBrowserCef function)
> pFieldContents (the first argument of the JavaScript function call)
> pAction (the second argument of the JavaScript function call)
>
> thanks,
>
> Dixie
>
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec 17 12:00:19 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (EED-wp Email)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:00:19 -0800
Subject: Common cartridge
In-Reply-To: <1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>

Folks
I just heard about "Common Cartridge" which is supposed to be the new way of interfacing learning objects (apps, web modules, whatever) to learning management systems. I'm curious if anybody has used this or looked into it. Seems like it would be an interface that would be important for those of us who create learning apps.

Best
Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org




From ray at linkit.com  Wed Dec 17 12:04:21 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:04:21 -0300
Subject: Common cartridge
In-Reply-To: <91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>

Bill - is this in some way related to SCORM standards?

On 12/17/2014 2:00 PM, EED-wp Email wrote:
> Folks
> I just heard about "Common Cartridge" which is supposed to be the new way of interfacing learning objects (apps, web modules, whatever) to learning management systems. I'm curious if anybody has used this or looked into it. Seems like it would be an interface that would be important for those of us who create learning apps.
>
> Best
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://ed.earthednet.org
>
>
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From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Dec 17 12:26:04 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:26:04 +0000
Subject: revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrV-GwbVjRK3YKdFcTzB3oofdbgr2khrXN2fC0vFSGPJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DUB114-W86F0B4F43E218AF4F4326FED6D0@phx.gbl>,
	<CAG1cpSrV-GwbVjRK3YKdFcTzB3oofdbgr2khrXN2fC0vFSGPJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W545263A3EDB24F039D7ACDED6D0@phx.gbl>



> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:59:13 -0700
> Subject: Re: revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
> From: bonnmike at gmail.com
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> 
> You might look here: http://summerschool.livecode.com/index.php/sneak-peek
> theres a very simple, straightforward example a little ways down that page.
> 
Thanks Mike... though I was hoping that there would be a few examples particuarly showing how to employ javaScript functions with it...

Be well,

Dixie
 		 	   		  

From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec 17 12:29:16 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (EED-wp Email)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:29:16 -0800
Subject: Common cartridge
In-Reply-To: <5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>
	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>

I think it has the same purpose but is more appropriate for new learning management software. Seems to be "the new thing".
Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill - is this in some way related to SCORM standards?
> 
>> On 12/17/2014 2:00 PM, EED-wp Email wrote:
>> Folks
>> I just heard about "Common Cartridge" which is supposed to be the new way of interfacing learning objects (apps, web modules, whatever) to learning management systems. I'm curious if anybody has used this or looked into it. Seems like it would be an interface that would be important for those of us who create learning apps.
>> 
>> Best
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://ed.earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec 17 12:43:16 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (EED-wp Email)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:43:16 -0800
Subject: Common cartridge
In-Reply-To: <5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>
	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <D3194794-139E-4D9F-83E7-F7406E100AC6@earthednet.org>

Here is a link to the sponsoring org 
http://www.imsglobal.org/cc/alliance.html
Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill - is this in some way related to SCORM standards?
> 
>> On 12/17/2014 2:00 PM, EED-wp Email wrote:
>> Folks
>> I just heard about "Common Cartridge" which is supposed to be the new way of interfacing learning objects (apps, web modules, whatever) to learning management systems. I'm curious if anybody has used this or looked into it. Seems like it would be an interface that would be important for those of us who create learning apps.
>> 
>> Best
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://ed.earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 12:47:01 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:47:01 -0700
Subject: revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W545263A3EDB24F039D7ACDED6D0@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W86F0B4F43E218AF4F4326FED6D0@phx.gbl>
	<CAG1cpSrV-GwbVjRK3YKdFcTzB3oofdbgr2khrXN2fC0vFSGPJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W545263A3EDB24F039D7ACDED6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqnyx_vQO+QhJuoxLiPBjo-b3sb9C+Dx=XnubQNbddmeQ@mail.gmail.com>

I tried the example there, all I can get it to do is.. lock up.

As far as combining javascript and livecode, I'd say it depends on what you
want to do.  If you can get the example from that page working, it would be
a great start as far as sending data from the page to lc for processing.
If you need the javascript to do something first, my guess would be a dual
function type of thing.  Have a function that does something (say generate
a random number to keep it simple)  that then calls another function as in
that example that sends the results back to an LC handler for additional
processing. THen to make it run (initiated from LC) revbrowsercallscript to
trigger the first function which does the javascript side, which then
triggers the second function which calls the lc handler.


Of course all of this requires that it work at all. So far, even the one
example just fails and hangs.


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:26 AM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:59:13 -0700
> > Subject: Re: revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
> > From: bonnmike at gmail.com
> > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >
> > You might look here:
> http://summerschool.livecode.com/index.php/sneak-peek
> > theres a very simple, straightforward example a little ways down that
> page.
> >
> Thanks Mike... though I was hoping that there would be a few examples
> particuarly showing how to employ javaScript functions with it...
>
> Be well,
>
> Dixie
>
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Wed Dec 17 12:57:49 2014
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:57:49 -0500
Subject: Common cartridge
In-Reply-To: <11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>
	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>

Great(sigh). I just got my mind wrapped around SCORM 1.2. We just produced a
sample SCORM 1.2 to a customer for an RFQ. Now it's time to dig into Common
Cartridge.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net

-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of EED-wp Email
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:29 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Common cartridge

I think it has the same purpose but is more appropriate for new learning
management software. Seems to be "the new thing".
Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill - is this in some way related to SCORM standards?
> 
>> On 12/17/2014 2:00 PM, EED-wp Email wrote:
>> Folks
>> I just heard about "Common Cartridge" which is supposed to be the new way
of interfacing learning objects (apps, web modules, whatever) to learning
management systems. I'm curious if anybody has used this or looked into it.
Seems like it would be an interface that would be important for those of us
who create learning apps.
>> 
>> Best
>> Bill
>> 
>> William Prothero
>> http://ed.earthednet.org
>> 
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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subscription preferences:
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From ray at linkit.com  Wed Dec 17 13:06:40 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:06:40 -0300
Subject: Common cartridge
In-Reply-To: <003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>
	<003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>
Message-ID: <5491C630.5090503@LinkIt.Com>

Bill - thanks for the link.  I'm going to study this.

On 12/17/2014 2:57 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote:
> Great(sigh). I just got my mind wrapped around SCORM 1.2. We just produced a
> sample SCORM 1.2 to a customer for an RFQ. Now it's time to dig into Common
> Cartridge.
>
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdimola at evergreeninfo.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of EED-wp Email
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:29 PM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Subject: Re: Common cartridge
>
> I think it has the same purpose but is more appropriate for new learning
> management software. Seems to be "the new thing".
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://ed.earthednet.org
>
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Ray <ray at linkit.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill - is this in some way related to SCORM standards?
>>
>>> On 12/17/2014 2:00 PM, EED-wp Email wrote:
>>> Folks
>>> I just heard about "Common Cartridge" which is supposed to be the new way
> of interfacing learning objects (apps, web modules, whatever) to learning
> management systems. I'm curious if anybody has used this or looked into it.
> Seems like it would be an interface that would be important for those of us
> who create learning apps.
>>> Best
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> William Prothero
>>> http://ed.earthednet.org
>>>
>>>
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 17 14:14:59 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:14:59 +0000
Subject: revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W545263A3EDB24F039D7ACDED6D0@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB114-W86F0B4F43E218AF4F4326FED6D0@phx.gbl> <,>
	<CAG1cpSrV-GwbVjRK3YKdFcTzB3oofdbgr2khrXN2fC0vFSGPJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W545263A3EDB24F039D7ACDED6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C6FCC39D-66DB-4E99-B94A-BC195C0225BC@iotecdigital.com>

Probably not helpful to you, since this is a web server issue, but on a Mac in the IDE I was able to tell Applescript to tell Acrobat to run a javascript. It?s a bit convoluted, but it works. It?s how I get the structure of a PDF form so I can fill it later. I wish I could figure out how to do that in Windows as well. Otherwise it?s  a Mac Only feature. 

Bob S


> On Dec 17, 2014, at 09:26 , John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:59:13 -0700
>> Subject: Re: revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
>> From: bonnmike at gmail.com
>> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> 
>> You might look here: http://summerschool.livecode.com/index.php/sneak-peek
>> theres a very simple, straightforward example a little ways down that page.
>> 
> Thanks Mike... though I was hoping that there would be a few examples particuarly showing how to employ javaScript functions with it...
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Dixie
> 		 	   		  
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 17 14:19:29 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:19:29 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D07F7EAA-5321-4334-938F-9C2CF3ECF03A@iotecdigital.com>

Mine experience has been good as well. And I *really* like Livecode, so I try to refrain from openly criticizing their work, and cringe when I see others doing so. I think what they have produced is nothing short of spectacular. I am not a ?software developer? by *any* means, and yet I have produced at least two functional apps for use internally that both have promise if I decide to commercially distribute them. 

Bob S


> On Dec 17, 2014, at 08:39 , Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob, I certainly hope not! My experience of customer support from RunRev is
> that is has been uniformly excellent and their helpfulness compares very
> well with most other companies...
> 
> 
> Bob Sneidar-2 wrote
>> Thank goodness the software engineers do *NOT* monitor this list. They
>> would likely have become severely depressed by the criticism here, and all
>> given up out of despair and depression. They would probably be in therapy
>> by now. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Andre-Garcia-s-FacebookLib-tp4686859p4686886.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
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From kevin at livecode.com  Wed Dec 17 15:10:37 2014
From: kevin at livecode.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:10:37 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <D07F7EAA-5321-4334-938F-9C2CF3ECF03A@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D07F7EAA-5321-4334-938F-9C2CF3ECF03A@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <D0B7936A.7A169%kevin@livecode.com>

We do monitor this list. However as ever our focus has to be on
?actionable intelligence?, I.e. bug reports filed in the QA center with a
recipe. We?re extremely active responding on there.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveCode: Everyone can create apps




On 17/12/2014 19:19, "Bob Sneidar" <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

>Mine experience has been good as well. And I *really* like Livecode, so I
>try to refrain from openly criticizing their work, and cringe when I see
>others doing so. I think what they have produced is nothing short of
>spectacular. I am not a ?software developer? by *any* means, and yet I
>have produced at least two functional apps for use internally that both
>have promise if I decide to commercially distribute them.
>
>Bob S
>
>
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 08:39 , Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
>>wrote:
>> 
>> Bob, I certainly hope not! My experience of customer support from
>>RunRev is
>> that is has been uniformly excellent and their helpfulness compares very
>> well with most other companies...
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Sneidar-2 wrote
>>> Thank goodness the software engineers do *NOT* monitor this list. They
>>> would likely have become severely depressed by the criticism here, and
>>>all
>>> given up out of despair and depression. They would probably be in
>>>therapy
>>> by now. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust
>>upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>>http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Andre-Garcia-s-FacebookLib
>>-tp4686859p4686886.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> 
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>>subscription preferences:
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 15:13:30 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:13:30 +0200
Subject: Common cartridge
In-Reply-To: <11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>
	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <5491E3EA.1000205@gmail.com>

http://www.imsglobal.org/cc/

Seems to consist of lots of words that are actually very difficult to 
pin down as to what they actually mean: committee work.

Richmcond.



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Dec 17 15:14:11 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 12:14:11 -0800
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
Message-ID: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi List:

I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.

With the following script:

put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
theFile	
	put the length of theFile


On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.

On LC Server I get a value of 0.

What am I missing here?  Is this perhaps some kind of cross-domain
limitation?  Any way to make this work?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design





From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 15:15:02 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:15:02 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D07F7EAA-5321-4334-938F-9C2CF3ECF03A@iotecdigital.com>
	<D0B7936A.7A169%kevin@livecode.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFH8Y8XqdPejvSs0xDfKZpsZknKFizvc7JJdrKLprVmOBg@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, it's not a LiveCode version problem. Facebook has changed something in
the way they do authentication. Andre needs to update the library.

Gerry
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 at 7:11 am, Kevin Miller <kevin at livecode.com> wrote:

> We do monitor this list. However as ever our focus has to be on
> ?actionable intelligence?, I.e. bug reports filed in the QA center with a
> recipe. We?re extremely active responding on there.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>
>
>
>
> On 17/12/2014 19:19, "Bob Sneidar" <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>
> >Mine experience has been good as well. And I *really* like Livecode, so I
> >try to refrain from openly criticizing their work, and cringe when I see
> >others doing so. I think what they have produced is nothing short of
> >spectacular. I am not a ?software developer? by *any* means, and yet I
> >have produced at least two functional apps for use internally that both
> >have promise if I decide to commercially distribute them.
> >
> >Bob S
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 17, 2014, at 08:39 , Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob, I certainly hope not! My experience of customer support from
> >>RunRev is
> >> that is has been uniformly excellent and their helpfulness compares very
> >> well with most other companies...
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob Sneidar-2 wrote
> >>> Thank goodness the software engineers do *NOT* monitor this list. They
> >>> would likely have become severely depressed by the criticism here, and
> >>>all
> >>> given up out of despair and depression. They would probably be in
> >>>therapy
> >>> by now.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust
> >>upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> >>http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Andre-
> Garcia-s-FacebookLib
> >>-tp4686859p4686886.html
> >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From hello at simonsmith.co  Wed Dec 17 16:15:19 2014
From: hello at simonsmith.co (Simon Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:15:19 +0200
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAEQVtqVcyof4tTgNXN5vzSjQxF-LZPnhvC0Pwjk6ByxEgaVj+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Scott

Tried your script on my server - seems to work perfectly.

Outputs: 483575

Kind Regards
Simon

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi List:
>
> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>
> With the following script:
>
> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
> theFile
>         put the length of theFile
>
>
> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>
> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
>
> What am I missing here?  Is this perhaps some kind of cross-domain
> limitation?  Any way to make this work?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 17:15:16 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:15:16 +0000
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D07F7EAA-5321-4334-938F-9C2CF3ECF03A@iotecdigital.com>
	<D0B7936A.7A169%kevin@livecode.com>
	<CAAxhhFH8Y8XqdPejvSs0xDfKZpsZknKFizvc7JJdrKLprVmOBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFFSJMsJmQJkJZ6uCoUG=zp1QPWfBKKRZ9zXDtoNEkKTbg@mail.gmail.com>

Andre has responded. So hopefully the issue will be sorted out soon.

Gerry


On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 at 7:15 am, Gerry <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob, it's not a LiveCode version problem. Facebook has changed something
> in the way they do authentication. Andre needs to update the library.
>
> Gerry
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 at 7:11 am, Kevin Miller <kevin at livecode.com> wrote:
>
>> We do monitor this list. However as ever our focus has to be on
>> ?actionable intelligence?, I.e. bug reports filed in the QA center with a
>> recipe. We?re extremely active responding on there.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
>> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17/12/2014 19:19, "Bob Sneidar" <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Mine experience has been good as well. And I *really* like Livecode, so I
>> >try to refrain from openly criticizing their work, and cringe when I see
>> >others doing so. I think what they have produced is nothing short of
>> >spectacular. I am not a ?software developer? by *any* means, and yet I
>> >have produced at least two functional apps for use internally that both
>> >have promise if I decide to commercially distribute them.
>> >
>> >Bob S
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Dec 17, 2014, at 08:39 , Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
>> >>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bob, I certainly hope not! My experience of customer support from
>> >>RunRev is
>> >> that is has been uniformly excellent and their helpfulness compares
>> very
>> >> well with most other companies...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bob Sneidar-2 wrote
>> >>> Thank goodness the software engineers do *NOT* monitor this list. They
>> >>> would likely have become severely depressed by the criticism here, and
>> >>>all
>> >>> given up out of despair and depression. They would probably be in
>> >>>therapy
>> >>> by now.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----
>> >> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust
>> >>upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >>http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Andre-Garci
>> a-s-FacebookLib
>> >>-tp4686859p4686886.html
>> >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> use-livecode mailing list
>> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> >>subscription preferences:
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Dec 17 17:17:07 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:17:07 -0800
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <CAEQVtqVcyof4tTgNXN5vzSjQxF-LZPnhvC0Pwjk6ByxEgaVj+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAEQVtqVcyof4tTgNXN5vzSjQxF-LZPnhvC0Pwjk6ByxEgaVj+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBEAA3D5-9F8E-4EAB-945D-60903AB45F0C@tactilemedia.com>

Hi Simon:

Well, I'm glad it works somewhere, but since it's not likely that I'll be using your LC server, this doesn't help me much.

I wonder if maybe the edition makes a difference.  Are you using the Commercial or Community edition?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media UX/UI Design

> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Simon Smith <hello at simonsmith.co> wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott
> 
> Tried your script on my server - seems to work perfectly.
> 
> Outputs: 483575
> 
> Kind Regards
> Simon
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List:
>> 
>> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
>> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
>> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>> 
>> With the following script:
>> 
>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
>> theFile
>>        put the length of theFile
>> 
>> 
>> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>> 
>> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
>> 
>> What am I missing here?  Is this perhaps some kind of cross-domain
>> limitation?  Any way to make this work?
>> 
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From hello at simonsmith.co  Wed Dec 17 17:32:29 2014
From: hello at simonsmith.co (Simon Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:32:29 +0200
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <EBEAA3D5-9F8E-4EAB-945D-60903AB45F0C@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<CAEQVtqVcyof4tTgNXN5vzSjQxF-LZPnhvC0Pwjk6ByxEgaVj+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<EBEAA3D5-9F8E-4EAB-945D-60903AB45F0C@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CAEQVtqVdu1ZZQC8m3FWC_3cxgBVXjkPHMUPmenYPof0J5XXW+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

:)

I am running the community edition, version 6.5.2 if I remember correctly.

Kind Regards
Simon

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:17 AM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi Simon:
>
> Well, I'm glad it works somewhere, but since it's not likely that I'll be
> using your LC server, this doesn't help me much.
>
> I wonder if maybe the edition makes a difference.  Are you using the
> Commercial or Community edition?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media UX/UI Design
>
> > On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Simon Smith <hello at simonsmith.co> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Scott
> >
> > Tried your script on my server - seems to work perfectly.
> >
> > Outputs: 483575
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Simon
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi List:
> >>
> >> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
> >> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
> >> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
> >>
> >> With the following script:
> >>
> >> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
> >> theFile
> >>        put the length of theFile
> >>
> >>
> >> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
> >>
> >> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
> >>
> >> What am I missing here?  Is this perhaps some kind of cross-domain
> >> limitation?  Any way to make this work?
> >>
> >> Thanks & Regards,
> >>
> >> Scott Rossi
> >> Creative Director
> >> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Wed Dec 17 18:55:18 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:55:18 +0000
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <EBEAA3D5-9F8E-4EAB-945D-60903AB45F0C@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<CAEQVtqVcyof4tTgNXN5vzSjQxF-LZPnhvC0Pwjk6ByxEgaVj+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<EBEAA3D5-9F8E-4EAB-945D-60903AB45F0C@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <549217E6.9000904@tweedly.net>


Scott,

you could try accessing some (any) other https: url to see if that works 
from your server.

Might help you narrow down what to look at next :-)
Sorry I can't come up with any better help.
-- Alex.

On 17/12/2014 22:17, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Hi Simon:
>
> Well, I'm glad it works somewhere, but since it's not likely that I'll be using your LC server, this doesn't help me much.
>
> I wonder if maybe the edition makes a difference.  Are you using the Commercial or Community edition?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media UX/UI Design
>
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Simon Smith <hello at simonsmith.co> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott
>>
>> Tried your script on my server - seems to work perfectly.
>>
>> Outputs: 483575
>>
>> Kind Regards
>> Simon
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi List:
>>>
>>> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
>>> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
>>> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>>>
>>> With the following script:
>>>
>>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
>>> theFile
>>>         put the length of theFile
>>>
>>>
>>> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>>>
>>> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
>>>
>>> What am I missing here?  Is this perhaps some kind of cross-domain
>>> limitation?  Any way to make this work?
>>>
>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Dec 18 00:11:41 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:11:41 -0800
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <549217E6.9000904@tweedly.net>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<CAEQVtqVcyof4tTgNXN5vzSjQxF-LZPnhvC0Pwjk6ByxEgaVj+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<EBEAA3D5-9F8E-4EAB-945D-60903AB45F0C@tactilemedia.com>
	<549217E6.9000904@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <D0E9A4FE-8AC6-4C5F-B27A-AD2C0F779FA3@tactilemedia.com>

Thanks for the suggestion.  Based on the test below, there does seem to be a problem with accessing DropBox.

New script:

put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into file1
put the length of file1 into L1
put url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/test-image.zip" into file2
put the length of file2 into L2
put "dropbox " & L1 & "<br>" & "generic " & L2

The result I get here still shows the DropBox file to have a length of 0, yet the test file downloads as expected when accessed via a browser.

dropbox 0
generic 483575

Any other suggestions?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

On Dec 17, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> 
> Scott,
> 
> you could try accessing some (any) other https: url to see if that works from your server.
> 
> Might help you narrow down what to look at next :-)
> Sorry I can't come up with any better help.
> -- Alex.
> 
> On 17/12/2014 22:17, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Hi Simon:
>> 
>> Well, I'm glad it works somewhere, but since it's not likely that I'll be using your LC server, this doesn't help me much.
>> 
>> I wonder if maybe the edition makes a difference.  Are you using the Commercial or Community edition?
>> 
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media UX/UI Design
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Simon Smith <hello at simonsmith.co> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Scott
>>> 
>>> Tried your script on my server - seems to work perfectly.
>>> 
>>> Outputs: 483575
>>> 
>>> Kind Regards
>>> Simon
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi List:
>>>> 
>>>> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
>>>> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
>>>> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>>>> 
>>>> With the following script:
>>>> 
>>>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
>>>> theFile
>>>>        put the length of theFile
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>>>> 
>>>> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
>>>> 
>>>> What am I missing here?  Is this perhaps some kind of cross-domain
>>>> limitation?  Any way to make this work?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>> Creative Director
>>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From andrew at ctech.me  Thu Dec 18 00:16:09 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:16:09 -0600
Subject: revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
In-Reply-To: <C6FCC39D-66DB-4E99-B94A-BC195C0225BC@iotecdigital.com>
References: <DUB114-W86F0B4F43E218AF4F4326FED6D0@phx.gbl>
	<CAG1cpSrV-GwbVjRK3YKdFcTzB3oofdbgr2khrXN2fC0vFSGPJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W545263A3EDB24F039D7ACDED6D0@phx.gbl>
	<C6FCC39D-66DB-4E99-B94A-BC195C0225BC@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft-mAbQwoPczbxjNP8HBR431En7FoEpLBDdC+9OMD4GMdg@mail.gmail.com>

John,

>From what I see in the summerschool example and the release notes that you
posted, this feature does the inverse of what you are wanting. I'm not sure
how to do it the other way.

Andrew

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:
>
> Probably not helpful to you, since this is a web server issue, but on a
> Mac in the IDE I was able to tell Applescript to tell Acrobat to run a
> javascript. It?s a bit convoluted, but it works. It?s how I get the
> structure of a PDF form so I can fill it later. I wish I could figure out
> how to do that in Windows as well. Otherwise it?s  a Mac Only feature.
>
> Bob S
>
>
> > On Dec 17, 2014, at 09:26 , John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:59:13 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: revBrowserAddJavaScriptHandler
> >> From: bonnmike at gmail.com
> >> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>
> >> You might look here:
> http://summerschool.livecode.com/index.php/sneak-peek
> >> theres a very simple, straightforward example a little ways down that
> page.
> >>
> > Thanks Mike... though I was hoping that there would be a few examples
> particuarly showing how to employ javaScript functions with it...
> >
> > Be well,
> >
> > Dixie
> >
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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 18 02:26:30 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:26:30 +0000
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <549011CB.8090608@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<549011CB.8090608@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <FA323406-ADBF-48A9-98A7-455486B24C82@btinternet.com>

Have Runrev been requested to provide vertically aligned text as part of LC as I presume they have ALL the dimensional information available to calculate this?

All the best

Terry


> On 16 Dec 2014, at 11:04, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Terry,
> 
> There's a long discussion about this on the forum. I believe I did a good attempt, but Bernd's solution was probably the most reliable.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
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> Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
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> 
> Installer Maker for LiveCode:
> http://qery.us/468
> 
> Buy my new book "Programming LiveCode for the Real Beginner" http://qery.us/3fi
> 
> LiveCode on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/runrev/
> 
> On 12/16/2014 11:54, Terence Heaford wrote:
>> Is there a definitive calculation that correctly sets the position of text vertically in a field?
>> 
>> I am using LC 6.7.
>> 
>> I have come across a few ideas like the one below that all appear to use an arbitrary offset to the margins, is there a method to calculate this accurately?
>> 
>>    put the effective textSize of fld id tID into tTextSize
>>    --   put round (((tTextSize - 22) * 1/3)) into tOffset
>>    put round (((tTextSize - 24) * 1/3)) into tOffset
>>    put the formattedheight of char 1 to - 1 of fld id tID into tFormattedHeight
>>    put round((the height of fld id tID - tFormattedHeight) / 2) into tVerticalMargins
>>    put tVerticalMargins - tOffset into tTopMargin
>>    put tVerticalMargins + tOffset into tBottomMargin
>>    set the margins of fld id tID to 8,tTopMargin,8,tBottomMargin
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Terry
> 
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From alex at tweedly.net  Thu Dec 18 04:18:38 2014
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:18:38 +0000
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <D0E9A4FE-8AC6-4C5F-B27A-AD2C0F779FA3@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<CAEQVtqVcyof4tTgNXN5vzSjQxF-LZPnhvC0Pwjk6ByxEgaVj+g@mail.gmail.com>	<EBEAA3D5-9F8E-4EAB-945D-60903AB45F0C@tactilemedia.com>	<549217E6.9000904@tweedly.net>
	<D0E9A4FE-8AC6-4C5F-B27A-AD2C0F779FA3@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <54929BEE.8020009@tweedly.net>

Not quite the test I was suggesting .... the dropbox url uses https: and 
for your own url you used http:

It would be worth getting another url using https: to see if the server 
has a problem with the secure http - or whether it is specific to 
dropbox; even just https://google.com should do.  It would be even 
better if you have a zip file somewhere behind a secure url - but I 
can't think of one you could try.

-- Alex.


On 18/12/2014 05:11, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion.  Based on the test below, there does seem to be a problem with accessing DropBox.
>
> New script:
>
> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into file1
> put the length of file1 into L1
> put url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/test-image.zip" into file2
> put the length of file2 into L2
> put "dropbox " & L1 & "<br>" & "generic " & L2
>
> The result I get here still shows the DropBox file to have a length of 0, yet the test file downloads as expected when accessed via a browser.
>
> dropbox 0
> generic 483575
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
> On Dec 17, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>
>> Scott,
>>
>> you could try accessing some (any) other https: url to see if that works from your server.
>>
>> Might help you narrow down what to look at next :-)
>> Sorry I can't come up with any better help.
>> -- Alex.
>>
>> On 17/12/2014 22:17, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>> Hi Simon:
>>>
>>> Well, I'm glad it works somewhere, but since it's not likely that I'll be using your LC server, this doesn't help me much.
>>>
>>> I wonder if maybe the edition makes a difference.  Are you using the Commercial or Community edition?
>>>
>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media UX/UI Design
>>>
>>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Simon Smith <hello at simonsmith.co> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Scott
>>>>
>>>> Tried your script on my server - seems to work perfectly.
>>>>
>>>> Outputs: 483575
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi List:
>>>>>
>>>>> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
>>>>> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
>>>>> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>>>>>
>>>>> With the following script:
>>>>>
>>>>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
>>>>> theFile
>>>>>         put the length of theFile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>>>>>
>>>>> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
>>>>>
>>>>> What am I missing here?  Is this perhaps some kind of cross-domain
>>>>> limitation?  Any way to make this work?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>>> Creative Director
>>>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Dec 18 04:35:20 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 01:35:20 -0800
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <54929BEE.8020009@tweedly.net>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<CAEQVtqVcyof4tTgNXN5vzSjQxF-LZPnhvC0Pwjk6ByxEgaVj+g@mail.gmail.com>	<EBEAA3D5-9F8E-4EAB-945D-60903AB45F0C@tactilemedia.com>	<549217E6.9000904@tweedly.net>
	<D0E9A4FE-8AC6-4C5F-B27A-AD2C0F779FA3@tactilemedia.com>
	<54929BEE.8020009@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <8AB6F1CA-A7FE-46E4-B89E-8B823339BD0C@tactilemedia.com>

Thanks for the response Alex.

I don?t believe the secure URL is the issue, because the file can be retrieved from a browser using both the secure and standard forms, but both forms return 0 in the LC server test script.

In fact, I usually use the standard form in all my download URLs to avoid potential problems like you suggest.  But since DropBox uses a secure URL by default, I used that in the test code.

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

On Dec 18, 2014, at 1:18 AM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:

> Not quite the test I was suggesting .... the dropbox url uses https: and for your own url you used http:
> 
> It would be worth getting another url using https: to see if the server has a problem with the secure http - or whether it is specific to dropbox; even just https://google.com should do.  It would be even better if you have a zip file somewhere behind a secure url - but I can't think of one you could try.
> 
> -- Alex.
> 
> 
> On 18/12/2014 05:11, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Thanks for the suggestion.  Based on the test below, there does seem to be a problem with accessing DropBox.
>> 
>> New script:
>> 
>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into file1
>> put the length of file1 into L1
>> put url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/test-image.zip" into file2
>> put the length of file2 into L2
>> put "dropbox " & L1 & "<br>" & "generic " & L2
>> 
>> The result I get here still shows the DropBox file to have a length of 0, yet the test file downloads as expected when accessed via a browser.
>> 
>> dropbox 0
>> generic 483575
>> 
>> Any other suggestions?
>> 
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Alex Tweedly <alex at tweedly.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> you could try accessing some (any) other https: url to see if that works from your server.
>>> 
>>> Might help you narrow down what to look at next :-)
>>> Sorry I can't come up with any better help.
>>> -- Alex.
>>> 
>>> On 17/12/2014 22:17, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>> Hi Simon:
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I'm glad it works somewhere, but since it's not likely that I'll be using your LC server, this doesn't help me much.
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder if maybe the edition makes a difference.  Are you using the Commercial or Community edition?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>> Creative Director
>>>> Tactile Media UX/UI Design
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Simon Smith <hello at simonsmith.co> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tried your script on my server - seems to work perfectly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Outputs: 483575
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>> Simon
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi List:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
>>>>>> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
>>>>>> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With the following script:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
>>>>>> theFile
>>>>>>        put the length of theFile
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What am I missing here?  Is this perhaps some kind of cross-domain
>>>>>> limitation?  Any way to make this work?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>>>> Creative Director
>>>>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Dec 18 06:03:44 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:03:44 +0000
Subject: Installer advice needed
Message-ID: <0BCC8117-4351-442F-8BE3-1C09E0824327@mac.com>

This is not exactly about LiveCode but it's not OT either, I think. I am seeking an economical way of having an installer (or two installers) for a cross-platform LiveCode standalone - desktop, Windows and Mac. I have tried to use Mark Schonewille's LC-oriented solution but I can't make it work. So far my researches (Google mostly) seem to point to very expensive solutions intended for high volume sales. As I have no idea what sales volume to expect (it will be in the range zero to 1000!), this type of solution is not for me.

What do other people do? Can one get away without an installer as long as one has gone through the very daunting (to me) code-signing process on the two platforms? This didn't used to matter, either on Windows or Mac, and I have products out there where the installation 'just works', but increasingly it seems that the OSs are expecting a proper installing process.

I see that this may be quite a big subject, but I am too ignorant to be sure. Can anyone point me to a sensible discussion on this topic, hopefully with recommendations as to the way to go?

TIA

Graham


From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Dec 18 06:25:21 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:25:21 +0100
Subject: Test please ignore
Message-ID: <002a01d01ab5$505e6270$f11b2750$@kestner.de>

 

 

 



From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu Dec 18 06:26:54 2014
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:26:54 +0100
Subject: AW: Installer advice needed
Message-ID: <002f01d01ab5$87e85f20$97b91d60$@kestner.de>

Hi Graham,

I am codesigning too on both platforms and using sucessfully innosetup on
Windows and Marks installer maker on Mac.

What are your problems with installer maker?

Tiemo

 

 

 



From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Thu Dec 18 07:09:41 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:09:41 +0100
Subject: Installer advice needed
In-Reply-To: <0BCC8117-4351-442F-8BE3-1C09E0824327@mac.com>
References: <0BCC8117-4351-442F-8BE3-1C09E0824327@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EB4ABBBF-14AA-43E0-BD4E-837DC7500C61@m-r-d.de>

Graham,

for Windows i am using Monte?s InstallGadget which is based on innosetup, but much easier to use.
On Mac this tool just creates a dmg.

 http://goulding.ws/installgadget/


Is there really a need for an installer on Mac? Most of the mac software is delivered as dmg. The user just has to drag the app bundle or app folder to the Application folder.

If you want to graphically pimp your dmg then i would try DropDMG. Very easy to use and very good results.
http://c-command.com/dropdmg/

Regards,

Matthias





> Am 18.12.2014 um 12:03 schrieb Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com>:
> 
> This is not exactly about LiveCode but it's not OT either, I think. I am seeking an economical way of having an installer (or two installers) for a cross-platform LiveCode standalone - desktop, Windows and Mac. I have tried to use Mark Schonewille's LC-oriented solution but I can't make it work. So far my researches (Google mostly) seem to point to very expensive solutions intended for high volume sales. As I have no idea what sales volume to expect (it will be in the range zero to 1000!), this type of solution is not for me.
> 
> What do other people do? Can one get away without an installer as long as one has gone through the very daunting (to me) code-signing process on the two platforms? This didn't used to matter, either on Windows or Mac, and I have products out there where the installation 'just works', but increasingly it seems that the OSs are expecting a proper installing process.
> 
> I see that this may be quite a big subject, but I am too ignorant to be sure. Can anyone point me to a sensible discussion on this topic, hopefully with recommendations as to the way to go?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
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From ray at linkit.com  Thu Dec 18 09:05:33 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:05:33 -0300
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>
	<003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>
Message-ID: <5492DF2D.9040909@LinkIt.Com>

When I do the following on my Mac OSX 10.7.1 running Quicktime 7.7.1 I 
hear the audio but I can't see the video.

I drag a player object to a new main stack and change the source from 
the Livecode's Sample.mov file to Apple's Sample_iPod.m4v movie or any 
other .m4v file.  Playing it gives me audio but no video.

If I choose the edit tool in Livecode while the movie is play suddenly 
video plays.  Return to Livecode's browse tool and video stops while 
audio continues.

This is no problem at all in Livecode 6.5.2 using the same platform, 
same system and same Quicktime version.  It's also no problem on my 
Windows 8.1 system in either version of Livecode.

Is this really a bug or am I missing something?  If it's a bug does 
anybody know if it's been reported?



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Dec 18 09:09:39 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:09:39 +0100
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <5492DF2D.9040909@LinkIt.Com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E154BE29-13FE-4A0A-827D-A8BE1662961B@major-k.de>

Hi Ray,

> Am 18.12.2014 um 15:05 schrieb Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
> 
> When I do the following on my Mac OSX 10.7.1 running Quicktime 7.7.1 I hear the audio but I can't see the video.
> I drag a player object to a new main stack and change the source from the Livecode's Sample.mov file to Apple's Sample_iPod.m4v movie or any other .m4v file.  Playing it gives me audio but no video.
> If I choose the edit tool in Livecode while the movie is play suddenly video plays.  Return to Livecode's browse tool and video stops while audio continues.
> This is no problem at all in Livecode 6.5.2 using the same platform, same system and same Quicktime version.  It's also no problem on my Windows 8.1 system in either version of Livecode.
> Is this really a bug or am I missing something?  If it's a bug does anybody know if it's been reported?

quick guess: In Livecode 7 the "dontuseqt" property is set to TRUE by default, 
since it uses the new AVFoundation on the Mac to display media in a player object.

Try to set this property to FALSE on preopenstack and see if that works.

I hate these "dont_XYZ" properties, they are just too mentally challenging! :-D


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ray at linkit.com  Thu Dec 18 09:12:35 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:12:35 -0300
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <E154BE29-13FE-4A0A-827D-A8BE1662961B@major-k.de>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>	<003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>
	<5492DF2D.9040909@LinkIt.Com>
	<E154BE29-13FE-4A0A-827D-A8BE1662961B@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <5492E0D3.3030700@LinkIt.Com>

Klaus many thanks!  Where did you even hear about such a property? I'd 
like to start doing whatever it is you're doing when new versions come 
out so I stay abreast of these things.

On 12/18/2014 11:09 AM, Klaus major-k wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
>> Am 18.12.2014 um 15:05 schrieb Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
>>
>> When I do the following on my Mac OSX 10.7.1 running Quicktime 7.7.1 I hear the audio but I can't see the video.
>> I drag a player object to a new main stack and change the source from the Livecode's Sample.mov file to Apple's Sample_iPod.m4v movie or any other .m4v file.  Playing it gives me audio but no video.
>> If I choose the edit tool in Livecode while the movie is play suddenly video plays.  Return to Livecode's browse tool and video stops while audio continues.
>> This is no problem at all in Livecode 6.5.2 using the same platform, same system and same Quicktime version.  It's also no problem on my Windows 8.1 system in either version of Livecode.
>> Is this really a bug or am I missing something?  If it's a bug does anybody know if it's been reported?
> quick guess: In Livecode 7 the "dontuseqt" property is set to TRUE by default,
> since it uses the new AVFoundation on the Mac to display media in a player object.
>
> Try to set this property to FALSE on preopenstack and see if that works.
>
> I hate these "dont_XYZ" properties, they are just too mentally challenging! :-D
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Dec 18 09:14:38 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:14:38 +0100
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <5492E0D3.3030700@LinkIt.Com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
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	<003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net> <5492DF2D.9040909@LinkIt.Com>
	<E154BE29-13FE-4A0A-827D-A8BE1662961B@major-k.de>
	<5492E0D3.3030700@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <3FB77CF4-ED93-4D5D-AC57-11A0F6B82FC3@major-k.de>

Hi Ray,

> Am 18.12.2014 um 15:12 schrieb Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
> 
> Klaus many thanks!  Where did you even hear about such a property? I'd like to start doing whatever it is you're doing when new versions come out so I stay abreast of these things.

That's pretty easy, just learn the "Release Notes" by heart! :-D

> On 12/18/2014 11:09 AM, Klaus major-k wrote:
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>>> Am 18.12.2014 um 15:05 schrieb Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
>>> 
>>> When I do the following on my Mac OSX 10.7.1 running Quicktime 7.7.1 I hear the audio but I can't see the video.
>>> I drag a player object to a new main stack and change the source from the Livecode's Sample.mov file to Apple's Sample_iPod.m4v movie or any other .m4v file.  Playing it gives me audio but no video.
>>> If I choose the edit tool in Livecode while the movie is play suddenly video plays.  Return to Livecode's browse tool and video stops while audio continues.
>>> This is no problem at all in Livecode 6.5.2 using the same platform, same system and same Quicktime version.  It's also no problem on my Windows 8.1 system in either version of Livecode.
>>> Is this really a bug or am I missing something?  If it's a bug does anybody know if it's been reported?
>> quick guess: In Livecode 7 the "dontuseqt" property is set to TRUE by default,
>> since it uses the new AVFoundation on the Mac to display media in a player object.
>> 
>> Try to set this property to FALSE on preopenstack and see if that works.
>> 
>> I hate these "dont_XYZ" properties, they are just too mentally challenging! :-D

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From ray at linkit.com  Thu Dec 18 09:16:12 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:16:12 -0300
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <3FB77CF4-ED93-4D5D-AC57-11A0F6B82FC3@major-k.de>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>	<003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>
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	<3FB77CF4-ED93-4D5D-AC57-11A0F6B82FC3@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <5492E1AC.3020802@LinkIt.Com>

Gotcha - that short, simple doc that comes with the release :)

I'll let you know how it goes when I get my Mac cranked up and try this 
suggestion.

On 12/18/2014 11:14 AM, Klaus major-k wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
>> Am 18.12.2014 um 15:12 schrieb Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
>>
>> Klaus many thanks!  Where did you even hear about such a property? I'd like to start doing whatever it is you're doing when new versions come out so I stay abreast of these things.
> That's pretty easy, just learn the "Release Notes" by heart! :-D
>
>> On 12/18/2014 11:09 AM, Klaus major-k wrote:
>>> Hi Ray,
>>>
>>>> Am 18.12.2014 um 15:05 schrieb Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
>>>>
>>>> When I do the following on my Mac OSX 10.7.1 running Quicktime 7.7.1 I hear the audio but I can't see the video.
>>>> I drag a player object to a new main stack and change the source from the Livecode's Sample.mov file to Apple's Sample_iPod.m4v movie or any other .m4v file.  Playing it gives me audio but no video.
>>>> If I choose the edit tool in Livecode while the movie is play suddenly video plays.  Return to Livecode's browse tool and video stops while audio continues.
>>>> This is no problem at all in Livecode 6.5.2 using the same platform, same system and same Quicktime version.  It's also no problem on my Windows 8.1 system in either version of Livecode.
>>>> Is this really a bug or am I missing something?  If it's a bug does anybody know if it's been reported?
>>> quick guess: In Livecode 7 the "dontuseqt" property is set to TRUE by default,
>>> since it uses the new AVFoundation on the Mac to display media in a player object.
>>>
>>> Try to set this property to FALSE on preopenstack and see if that works.
>>>
>>> I hate these "dont_XYZ" properties, they are just too mentally challenging! :-D
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Dec 18 09:30:26 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:30:26 +0100
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <5492E1AC.3020802@LinkIt.Com>
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	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
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	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>
	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>
	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>
	<003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net> <5492DF2D.9040909@LinkIt.Com>
	<E154BE29-13FE-4A0A-827D-A8BE1662961B@major-k.de>
	<5492E0D3.3030700@LinkIt.Com>
	<3FB77CF4-ED93-4D5D-AC57-11A0F6B82FC3@major-k.de>
	<5492E1AC.3020802@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <7FCA7230-33C7-4D3C-AB5A-FA861C73C763@major-k.de>

Hi Ray,

> Am 18.12.2014 um 15:16 schrieb Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
> 
> Gotcha - that short, simple doc that comes with the release :)

yep, that's quite enlightening :-D

> I'll let you know how it goes when I get my Mac cranked up and try this suggestion.

OK, good luck!

> On 12/18/2014 11:14 AM, Klaus major-k wrote:
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>>> Am 18.12.2014 um 15:12 schrieb Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
>>> Klaus many thanks!  Where did you even hear about such a property? I'd like to start doing whatever it is you're doing when new versions come out so I stay abreast of these things.
>> That's pretty easy, just learn the "Release Notes" by heart! :-D

Best

Klaus

--
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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From rjb at robelko.com  Thu Dec 18 09:56:07 2014
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:56:07 +0100
Subject: Installer advice needed
In-Reply-To: <EB4ABBBF-14AA-43E0-BD4E-837DC7500C61@m-r-d.de>
References: <0BCC8117-4351-442F-8BE3-1C09E0824327@mac.com>
	<EB4ABBBF-14AA-43E0-BD4E-837DC7500C61@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <p06240812d0b89af7428b@[192.168.1.94]>

On 18.12.2014 at 13:09 Uhr +0100 Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D apparently wrote:
>
>Is there really a need for an installer on Mac? Most of the mac 
>software is delivered as dmg. The user just has to drag the app 
>bundle or app folder to the Application folder.
>
>If you want to graphically pimp your dmg then i would try DropDMG. 
>Very easy to use and very good results.
>http://c-command.com/dropdmg/


On the Mac, the installer is really needed only if one has to install 
services, system resources or such. Normal standalone apps can and 
normally should be distributed as dmg's.

RObert



From livfoss at mac.com  Thu Dec 18 11:33:30 2014
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:33:30 +0000
Subject: Installer advice needed
In-Reply-To: <EB4ABBBF-14AA-43E0-BD4E-837DC7500C61@m-r-d.de>
References: <0BCC8117-4351-442F-8BE3-1C09E0824327@mac.com>
	<EB4ABBBF-14AA-43E0-BD4E-837DC7500C61@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <1AD5FD6E-6452-4E8D-A8AE-26F4105EB8AF@mac.com>

Thanks Matthias and Tiemo for good advice. I have had a look at DropDMG which looks very suitable for making a good-looking Mac version as suggested. Again, I?m also looking at Monte?s InstallGadget which looks very promising.

In answer to Tiemo?s query

> What are your problems with installer maker?

I had some issues relating to the Windows side of things, of which the killer was an error (141,546,30) which relates to some decompression issue. As I wasn?t using the Compression option in the installer I found this puzzling but so far have not found an explanation. There was another problem with the license document, where I couldn?t get the program to accept my version rather than the default stub. All this happened nearly two months ago, and I may have forgotten some of the details, but that?s an outline.

Anyway thanks again. I must start to bite the codesigning bullet (groan).

Graham

> On 18 Dec 2014, at 12:09, Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D <matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de> wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> 
> for Windows i am using Monte?s InstallGadget which is based on innosetup, but much easier to use.
> On Mac this tool just creates a dmg.
> 
> http://goulding.ws/installgadget/
> 
> 
> Is there really a need for an installer on Mac? Most of the mac software is delivered as dmg. The user just has to drag the app bundle or app folder to the Application folder.
> 
> If you want to graphically pimp your dmg then i would try DropDMG. Very easy to use and very good results.
> http://c-command.com/dropdmg/
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 18.12.2014 um 12:03 schrieb Graham Samuel <livfoss at mac.com>:
>> 
>> This is not exactly about LiveCode but it's not OT either, I think. I am seeking an economical way of having an installer (or two installers) for a cross-platform LiveCode standalone - desktop, Windows and Mac. I have tried to use Mark Schonewille's LC-oriented solution but I can't make it work. So far my researches (Google mostly) seem to point to very expensive solutions intended for high volume sales. As I have no idea what sales volume to expect (it will be in the range zero to 1000!), this type of solution is not for me.
>> 
>> What do other people do? Can one get away without an installer as long as one has gone through the very daunting (to me) code-signing process on the two platforms? This didn't used to matter, either on Windows or Mac, and I have products out there where the installation 'just works', but increasingly it seems that the OSs are expecting a proper installing process.
>> 
>> I see that this may be quite a big subject, but I am too ignorant to be sure. Can anyone point me to a sensible discussion on this topic, hopefully with recommendations as to the way to go?
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Graham
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From wow at together.net  Thu Dec 18 12:16:35 2014
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:16:35 -0500
Subject: LC + CGI server + Yosemite
In-Reply-To: <p06240812d0b89af7428b@[192.168.1.94]>
References: <0BCC8117-4351-442F-8BE3-1C09E0824327@mac.com>	<EB4ABBBF-14AA-43E0-BD4E-837DC7500C61@m-r-d.de>
	<p06240812d0b89af7428b@[192.168.1.94]>
Message-ID: <54930BF3.5090104@together.net>

I am upgrading my old Mac Mini server (10.4) to a new Yosemite Mini. I 
was using an old RunRev engine to handle cgi processing. What would be 
the recommended LC engine for Yosemite?

Thanks,
Richard Miller



From ray at linkit.com  Thu Dec 18 12:57:33 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:57:33 -0300
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <7FCA7230-33C7-4D3C-AB5A-FA861C73C763@major-k.de>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>	<003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>
	<5492DF2D.9040909@LinkIt.Com>	<E154BE29-13FE-4A0A-827D-A8BE1662961B@major-k.de>	<5492E0D3.3030700@LinkIt.Com>	<3FB77CF4-ED93-4D5D-AC57-11A0F6B82FC3@major-k.de>	<5492E1AC.3020802@LinkIt.Com>
	<7FCA7230-33C7-4D3C-AB5A-FA861C73C763@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <5493158D.4060007@LinkIt.Com>

Klaus - I tried setting the dontUseQt to true but had no luck.  Just 
thought you might like to know.  Thanks for the suggestion.  It's still 
good to know this global exists.  I've filed it as a bug report.

On 12/18/2014 11:30 AM, Klaus major-k wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
>> Am 18.12.2014 um 15:16 schrieb Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
>>
>> Gotcha - that short, simple doc that comes with the release :)
> yep, that's quite enlightening :-D
>
>> I'll let you know how it goes when I get my Mac cranked up and try this suggestion.
> OK, good luck!
>
>> On 12/18/2014 11:14 AM, Klaus major-k wrote:
>>> Hi Ray,
>>>
>>>> Am 18.12.2014 um 15:12 schrieb Ray <ray at linkit.com>:
>>>> Klaus many thanks!  Where did you even hear about such a property? I'd like to start doing whatever it is you're doing when new versions come out so I stay abreast of these things.
>>> That's pretty easy, just learn the "Release Notes" by heart! :-D
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 18 13:05:12 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:05:12 -0600
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/17/2014, 2:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Hi List:
>
> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>
> With the following script:
>
> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
> theFile	
> 	put the length of theFile
>
>
> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>
> On LC Server I get a value of 0.

I'm not sure if this is related or not, but I had a similar issue with 
AirLaunch when Dropbox eliminated their old-style default Public folder. 
AirLaunch could no longer retrieve files using the new method where you 
can share a link from anywhere in DB. But it could still do it if the 
file was in my grandfathered Public folder.

DB allows you to create an old-style Public folder if you don't already 
have one but they hide the information pretty well on their site. If you 
think this may be related to your problem and you don't yet have a 
Public folder, I can try to find the link for you. Once my customers 
created a Public folder and put the files in there, AirLaunch started 
working again.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 18 13:18:48 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:18:48 -0600
Subject: Installer advice needed
In-Reply-To: <1AD5FD6E-6452-4E8D-A8AE-26F4105EB8AF@mac.com>
References: <0BCC8117-4351-442F-8BE3-1C09E0824327@mac.com>	<EB4ABBBF-14AA-43E0-BD4E-837DC7500C61@m-r-d.de>
	<1AD5FD6E-6452-4E8D-A8AE-26F4105EB8AF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <54931A88.5050204@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/18/2014, 10:33 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
> I must start to bite the codesigning bullet (groan).

There are two utilities to help with that. For Windows, we use a 
certificate purchased from ksoftware.net 
<http://certhelp.ksoftware.net/support/home>, and they have a utility 
that codesigns the app. I don't know if their app works with certs from 
other places, we just went with theirs.

For Mac we use App Wrapper from Ohanaware 
<http://www.ohanaware.com/appwrapper/>

Both of these are one-click solutions.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Dec 18 13:24:59 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:24:59 -0800
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5963F7FF-83A5-4D33-8AD5-2035320754CB@tactilemedia.com>

Thanks Jacque.

The frustrating thing is this all of this used to work without any issue.  I don?t know if the problem is because of something DropBox changed, a server update by my web host (DreamHost), or my update to the 64 bit version of LC server.

Simon Smith says he can access the test file from his pre 6.7 version of LC server, so the problem would seem to be my host or LC 6.7.  Even then, accessing the file works fine on the 6.7 desktop, so I?m at a loss.

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

On Dec 18, 2014, at 10:05 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 12/17/2014, 2:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Hi List:
>> 
>> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
>> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
>> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>> 
>> With the following script:
>> 
>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
>> theFile	
>> 	put the length of theFile
>> 
>> 
>> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>> 
>> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
> 
> I'm not sure if this is related or not, but I had a similar issue with AirLaunch when Dropbox eliminated their old-style default Public folder. AirLaunch could no longer retrieve files using the new method where you can share a link from anywhere in DB. But it could still do it if the file was in my grandfathered Public folder.
> 
> DB allows you to create an old-style Public folder if you don't already have one but they hide the information pretty well on their site. If you think this may be related to your problem and you don't yet have a Public folder, I can try to find the link for you. Once my customers created a Public folder and put the files in there, AirLaunch started working again.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 18 13:46:08 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:46:08 -0600
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <5493158D.4060007@LinkIt.Com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>	<003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>	<5492DF2D.9040909@LinkIt.Com>	<E154BE29-13FE-4A0A-827D-A8BE1662961B@major-k.de>	<5492E0D3.3030700@LinkIt.Com>	<3FB77CF4-ED93-4D5D-AC57-11A0F6B82FC3@major-k.de>	<5492E1AC.3020802@LinkIt.Com>	<7FCA7230-33C7-4D3C-AB5A-FA861C73C763@major-k.de>
	<5493158D.4060007@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <549320F0.4000409@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/18/2014, 11:57 AM, Ray wrote:
> Klaus - I tried setting the dontUseQt to true but had no luck.  Just
> thought you might like to know.  Thanks for the suggestion.  It's still
> good to know this global exists.  I've filed it as a bug report.

It is set to true by default now, you want to set it to *false*. That 
allows QT to run: dontUseQT = false means *do* use QT.

I already submitted a bug report about the change in the QT default 
settings, and it was closed as not a bug because Apple has deprecated 
QT. But if changing the dontUseQT to false still doesn't work, then your 
bug report is accurate.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From martyknappster at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 13:48:47 2014
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:48:47 -0800
Subject: Installer advice needed
In-Reply-To: <54931A88.5050204@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <0BCC8117-4351-442F-8BE3-1C09E0824327@mac.com>	<EB4ABBBF-14AA-43E0-BD4E-837DC7500C61@m-r-d.de>	<1AD5FD6E-6452-4E8D-A8AE-26F4105EB8AF@mac.com>
	<54931A88.5050204@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5493218F.3060302@gmail.com>

I'm using Inno Setup on Windows. It's free and customizable. When I get 
stumped on configuring it, there seems to be a lot of info out there by 
doing a quick Google search. I also use the KSoft certificates, which 
seem to be reasonably priced. The process of getting your certificate 
can be a few days as they want to make sure you're legit. One thing they 
wanted was my phone number listed with one of the big online 
directories. I did that then it took a while before it would show up in 
a search. Then they call you at that number as part of the process. If 
your phone is already published somewhere you may be OK. Mine wasn't.

KSoft has a signing app too that works great and the whole process can 
be configured in Inno Setup if you're using that. On Mac I've been using 
App Wrapper. Great app, great support. Sometimes I make my own 
installers for Mac just using a Livecode app with my app zipped and 
stored in a custom property.

One thing I have run into are people who've switched from PC to Mac. 
They don't always "get" disk images and will run the app off the disk 
image. Then think the app got deleted when the disk image is dismounted. 
I finally started putting a check in the startup routine to see where 
the app is running from and then alerting the user that it isn't 
installed correctly if it's from the disk image.

Marty Knapp
> On 12/18/2014, 10:33 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:
>> I must start to bite the codesigning bullet (groan).
>
> There are two utilities to help with that. For Windows, we use a 
> certificate purchased from ksoftware.net 
> <http://certhelp.ksoftware.net/support/home>, and they have a utility 
> that codesigns the app. I don't know if their app works with certs 
> from other places, we just went with theirs.
>
> For Mac we use App Wrapper from Ohanaware 
> <http://www.ohanaware.com/appwrapper/>
>
> Both of these are one-click solutions.
>




From ray at linkit.com  Thu Dec 18 14:45:33 2014
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:45:33 -0300
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <549320F0.4000409@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>	<003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>	<5492DF2D.9040909@LinkIt.Com>	<E154BE29-13FE-4A0A-827D-A8BE1662961B@major-k.de>	<5492E0D3.3030700@LinkIt.Com>	<3FB77CF4-ED93-4D5D-AC57-11A0F6B82FC3@major-k.de>	<5492E1AC.3020802@LinkIt.Com>	<7FCA7230-33C7-4D3C-AB5A-FA861C73C763@major-k.de>	<5493158D.4060007@LinkIt.Com>
	<549320F0.4000409@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <54932EDD.4050201@LinkIt.Com>

Thanks Jackie - I believe the bug report is accurate.  I've tried 
setting the dontUseQt all three ways (and that's pretty good for a boolean!)

On 12/18/2014 3:46 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 12/18/2014, 11:57 AM, Ray wrote:
>> Klaus - I tried setting the dontUseQt to true but had no luck.  Just
>> thought you might like to know.  Thanks for the suggestion. It's still
>> good to know this global exists.  I've filed it as a bug report.
>
> It is set to true by default now, you want to set it to *false*. That 
> allows QT to run: dontUseQT = false means *do* use QT.
>
> I already submitted a bug report about the change in the QT default 
> settings, and it was closed as not a bug because Apple has deprecated 
> QT. But if changing the dontUseQT to false still doesn't work, then 
> your bug report is accurate.
>




From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Dec 18 14:47:22 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:47:22 -0800
Subject: Create graphic
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePF=nH+JdFOKqaLunAJhxaw9dz7gNnLHgvz1eU1pV-GpA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a button whose script creates a graphic.  When I click the button,
the tool changes from the browse tool to the pointer tool as soon as the
create graphic command is executed.

Not a big deal as I can just set the tool back to the pointer tool after
the create graphic command but that shouldn't happen, should it?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Thu Dec 18 14:58:32 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:58:32 +0000
Subject: Create graphic
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePF=nH+JdFOKqaLunAJhxaw9dz7gNnLHgvz1eU1pV-GpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePF=nH+JdFOKqaLunAJhxaw9dz7gNnLHgvz1eU1pV-GpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W136BF929BA5C7BBC38DA252ED6A0@phx.gbl>

I don't see this...
Well, not using the following script :-

on mouseUp
   set the width of the templateGraphic to 200
   set the height of the templateGraphic to 200
   set the opaque of the templateGraphic to true
   set the loc of the templateGraphic to the loc of this card
   set the backgroundcolor of the templateGraphic to 255,0,0
   set the name of the templateGraphic to "Boo"
   create graphic
end mouseUp

Dixie

> From: pete at lcsql.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:47:22 -0800
> Subject: Create graphic
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> 
> I have a button whose script creates a graphic.  When I click the button,
> the tool changes from the browse tool to the pointer tool as soon as the
> create graphic command is executed.
> 
> Not a big deal as I can just set the tool back to the pointer tool after
> the create graphic command but that shouldn't happen, should it?
> 
> Pete
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From pete at lcsql.com  Thu Dec 18 15:27:45 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 12:27:45 -0800
Subject: Create graphic
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W136BF929BA5C7BBC38DA252ED6A0@phx.gbl>
References: <CAGDT7ePF=nH+JdFOKqaLunAJhxaw9dz7gNnLHgvz1eU1pV-GpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DUB114-W136BF929BA5C7BBC38DA252ED6A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eN4DBAqUaEO50ouwZt1OQkWu0v2wrV49ct_Ep3JU87FJg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,
Thanks for checking.  I think I found the problem - a rogue front script
that was capturing the newGraphic event.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:58 AM, John Dixon <dixonja at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I don't see this...
> Well, not using the following script :-
>
> on mouseUp
>    set the width of the templateGraphic to 200
>    set the height of the templateGraphic to 200
>    set the opaque of the templateGraphic to true
>    set the loc of the templateGraphic to the loc of this card
>    set the backgroundcolor of the templateGraphic to 255,0,0
>    set the name of the templateGraphic to "Boo"
>    create graphic
> end mouseUp
>
> Dixie
>
> > From: pete at lcsql.com
> > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 11:47:22 -0800
> > Subject: Create graphic
> > To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >
> > I have a button whose script creates a graphic.  When I click the button,
> > the tool changes from the browse tool to the pointer tool as soon as the
> > create graphic command is executed.
> >
> > Not a big deal as I can just set the tool back to the pointer tool after
> > the create graphic command but that shouldn't happen, should it?
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From dunbarx at aol.com  Thu Dec 18 15:28:03 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:28:03 -0500
Subject: Create graphic
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePF=nH+JdFOKqaLunAJhxaw9dz7gNnLHgvz1eU1pV-GpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePF=nH+JdFOKqaLunAJhxaw9dz7gNnLHgvz1eU1pV-GpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1E918426C1EBD-C-5D363@webmail-vm026.sysops.aol.com>

Peter.


In v.6.7 on Mavericks, the tools sticks. What is your set-up?


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 18, 2014 2:48 pm
Subject: Create graphic


I have a button whose script creates a graphic.  When I click the button,
the tool changes from the browse tool to the pointer tool as soon as the
create graphic command is executed.

Not a big deal as I can just set the tool back to the pointer tool after
the create graphic command but that shouldn't happen, should it?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From cs_livecode at icloud.com  Thu Dec 18 15:30:56 2014
From: cs_livecode at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:30:56 -0700
Subject: plugin stack automatically saving in new file format
Message-ID: <8DDB8BD1-FA72-4E96-A54F-F94602478288@icloud.com>

I have a custom plugin stack that I use to quickly open frequently used stacks. It has a ?save this stack? command in its closeStack handler. If I?m working in LC 7.0+ the stack is saving with the new file format, and therefore won?t open in pre-7.0 versions of LiveCode. I though once a stack was saved in a legacy format, it would stay in that format. Is that not the case? Is there any way to prevent the file format change when saving a stack?

Thanks,
Chris


--
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Read Naturally, Inc.
www.readnaturally.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 15:36:09 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:36:09 -0700
Subject: plugin stack automatically saving in new file format
In-Reply-To: <8DDB8BD1-FA72-4E96-A54F-F94602478288@icloud.com>
References: <8DDB8BD1-FA72-4E96-A54F-F94602478288@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqRFvkbHsSJsRm=2WjuWsqXTFyvrEzZHkRT959HaTcGTA@mail.gmail.com>

There is a preference that says to preserve stack file format, but i'm not
sure if it applies when a stack is saving itself. (seems like it should,
but hey, you never know).  The best way to avoid this is to set the
stackfileversion to what you want, right before the save.  Theres an
example of this in the dictionary entry.  Basically, it saves the current
stackfileversion to a variable, sets the stackfileversion to the version
you wish to save as, saves the stack, then resets the stackfileversion.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Chris Sheffield <cs_livecode at icloud.com>
wrote:
>
> I have a custom plugin stack that I use to quickly open frequently used
> stacks. It has a ?save this stack? command in its closeStack handler. If
> I?m working in LC 7.0+ the stack is saving with the new file format, and
> therefore won?t open in pre-7.0 versions of LiveCode. I though once a stack
> was saved in a legacy format, it would stay in that format. Is that not the
> case? Is there any way to prevent the file format change when saving a
> stack?
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> --
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally, Inc.
> www.readnaturally.com
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Dec 18 16:39:11 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:39:11 +0100
Subject: plugin stack automatically saving in new file format
In-Reply-To: <8DDB8BD1-FA72-4E96-A54F-F94602478288@icloud.com>
References: <8DDB8BD1-FA72-4E96-A54F-F94602478288@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <B40AD1CB-121B-4D4A-AEC5-71528FF86525@major-k.de>

Hi Chris,

> Am 18.12.2014 um 21:30 schrieb Chris Sheffield <cs_livecode at icloud.com>:
> 
> I have a custom plugin stack that I use to quickly open frequently used stacks. It has a ?save this stack? command in its closeStack handler. If I?m working in LC 7.0+ the stack is saving with the new file format, and therefore won?t open in pre-7.0 versions of LiveCode. I though once a stack was saved in a legacy format, it would stay in that format. Is that not the case? Is there any way to prevent the file format change when saving a stack?

I think "the stackfileversion" global property will help here!

Do something like this:
...
## Save current stackfileversion value:
put the stackfileversion into tOldSFV

## See dictionary for other possible values
set the stackfileversion to "5.5"
save this stack

## Restore old value:
set the stackfileversion to tOldSFV
...

> Thanks,
> Chris

Best

Klaus

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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From cs_livecode at icloud.com  Thu Dec 18 16:48:55 2014
From: cs_livecode at icloud.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:48:55 -0700
Subject: plugin stack automatically saving in new file format
In-Reply-To: <B40AD1CB-121B-4D4A-AEC5-71528FF86525@major-k.de>
References: <8DDB8BD1-FA72-4E96-A54F-F94602478288@icloud.com>
	<B40AD1CB-121B-4D4A-AEC5-71528FF86525@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <E2C8D549-AFE3-4DCE-A517-3B9780819F0D@icloud.com>

Excellent. Thank you, and thanks to Mike as well. I?ll implement that in my code.

> On Dec 18, 2014, at 2:39 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
>> Am 18.12.2014 um 21:30 schrieb Chris Sheffield <cs_livecode at icloud.com>:
>> 
>> I have a custom plugin stack that I use to quickly open frequently used stacks. It has a ?save this stack? command in its closeStack handler. If I?m working in LC 7.0+ the stack is saving with the new file format, and therefore won?t open in pre-7.0 versions of LiveCode. I though once a stack was saved in a legacy format, it would stay in that format. Is that not the case? Is there any way to prevent the file format change when saving a stack?
> 
> I think "the stackfileversion" global property will help here!
> 
> Do something like this:
> ...
> ## Save current stackfileversion value:
> put the stackfileversion into tOldSFV
> 
> ## See dictionary for other possible values
> set the stackfileversion to "5.5"
> save this stack
> 
> ## Restore old value:
> set the stackfileversion to tOldSFV
> ...
> 
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
> 
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
> 
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From jiml at netrin.com  Thu Dec 18 17:13:30 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:13:30 -0800
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2387.1418938766.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.2387.1418938766.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F58AA40A-282A-4056-8151-B36E1893FCA1@netrin.com>

Ray wrote:
> 
> I've tried setting the dontUseQt all three ways (and that's pretty good for a boolean!)

Three-way booleans are only available in LiveCode. It?s that powerful! ;)

Jim Lambert



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 18 17:40:16 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:40:16 -0600
Subject: Installer advice needed
In-Reply-To: <5493218F.3060302@gmail.com>
References: <0BCC8117-4351-442F-8BE3-1C09E0824327@mac.com>	<EB4ABBBF-14AA-43E0-BD4E-837DC7500C61@m-r-d.de>	<1AD5FD6E-6452-4E8D-A8AE-26F4105EB8AF@mac.com>	<54931A88.5050204@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5493218F.3060302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549357D0.80408@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/18/2014, 12:48 PM, Marty Knapp wrote:
> One thing I have run into are people who've switched from PC to Mac.
> They don't always "get" disk images and will run the app off the disk
> image.

It works the other way too. Windows users don't always "get" zip files, 
especially because Windows shows the contents of the zip in a window but 
doesn't extract the items (much like a dmg) and so they run the app from 
inside the zip file. Then it breaks.

I hadn't thought to check the location of the app on disk, that's a good 
idea.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 18 17:42:22 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:42:22 -0600
Subject: Livecode 7.0 Can't Play Video
In-Reply-To: <54932EDD.4050201@LinkIt.Com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>	<91CCE39C-BDFA-4EA0-B959-18F9A6EAED93@earthednet.org>	<5491B795.5010200@LinkIt.Com>	<11D6732B-1665-4F8A-9FD4-F1A7A11D7FDD@earthednet.org>	<003501d01a22$f8f43ab0$eadcb010$@net>	<5492DF2D.9040909@LinkIt.Com>	<E154BE29-13FE-4A0A-827D-A8BE1662961B@major-k.de>	<5492E0D3.3030700@LinkIt.Com>	<3FB77CF4-ED93-4D5D-AC57-11A0F6B82FC3@major-k.de>	<5492E1AC.3020802@LinkIt.Com>	<7FCA7230-33C7-4D3C-AB5A-FA861C73C763@major-k.de>	<5493158D.4060007@LinkIt.Com>	<549320F0.4000409@hyperactivesw.com>
	<54932EDD.4050201@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <5493584E.1000508@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/18/2014, 1:45 PM, Ray wrote:
> I've tried setting the dontUseQt all three ways (and that's pretty good
> for a boolean!)

I'm very impressed. :)

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 18 18:07:06 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:07:06 -0600
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <5963F7FF-83A5-4D33-8AD5-2035320754CB@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5963F7FF-83A5-4D33-8AD5-2035320754CB@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <54935E1A.5010906@hyperactivesw.com>

Have you tried checking "the result" all over the place? There should be 
some info in there. Use a "put" statement to output the result into the 
browser window:

    if the result is not empty then put the result

Also somewhere early in the sequence, set the script to report any other 
errors. You can do that with:

   set the errorMode to "inline"

Then if there are actual errors happening, they'll show up in the 
browser too.

If you aren't using a browser to trigger the server script, the output 
will show up wherever you're calling the script from, like the message 
box or whatever.


On 12/18/2014, 12:24 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Thanks Jacque.
>
> The frustrating thing is this all of this used to work without any issue.  I don?t know if the problem is because of something DropBox changed, a server update by my web host (DreamHost), or my update to the 64 bit version of LC server.
>
> Simon Smith says he can access the test file from his pre 6.7 version of LC server, so the problem would seem to be my host or LC 6.7.  Even then, accessing the file works fine on the 6.7 desktop, so I?m at a loss.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 10:05 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/17/2014, 2:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>> Hi List:
>>>
>>> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
>>> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
>>> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>>>
>>> With the following script:
>>>
>>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
>>> theFile	
>>> 	put the length of theFile
>>>
>>>
>>> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>>>
>>> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
>>
>> I'm not sure if this is related or not, but I had a similar issue with AirLaunch when Dropbox eliminated their old-style default Public folder. AirLaunch could no longer retrieve files using the new method where you can share a link from anywhere in DB. But it could still do it if the file was in my grandfathered Public folder.
>>
>> DB allows you to create an old-style Public folder if you don't already have one but they hide the information pretty well on their site. If you think this may be related to your problem and you don't yet have a Public folder, I can try to find the link for you. Once my customers created a Public folder and put the files in there, AirLaunch started working again.
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Dec 18 18:16:29 2014
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:16:29 -0200
Subject: Offline usage of Linux LC-Python browser
Message-ID: <5493604D.1070404@howsoft.com>

A number of you have recently downloaded the Linux LC-Python Browser 
demo available at:

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/extensions/

(If you have visited this page recently, and you now see no changes - 
i.e. the old version is still in the browser cache - then please refresh 
the page.)

The version you downloaded demonstrates on-line usage by navigating to a 
web page on the Internet. However, perhaps an even more common usage of 
an embedded browser is to display OFF-line web pages that are not on the 
Internet, e.g. when building a Help data base. Hence, there is now a 
second demo for download on the extensions page which demonstrates such 
off-line usage.

The little fly in the ointment solved by the new demo is that to call an 
off-line web page in Python, you have to supply an absolute (complete) 
URL path in the script, even when the web page is in the same folder as 
the script (as in the demo), e.g:

view.open("file:///home/bob/Desktop/_Proj_2014_V/Demos and 
Experiments/Python Browser Demo OFFLINE ONLY/demo/webpage.htm")

Statements like this do NOT work:

view.open("webpage.htm")
view.open("file://webpage.htm")
view.open("file:///webpage.htm")

The additional off-line demo therefore obtains the current defaultFolder 
(the program/webpage folder) and updates each Python script with it 
before it is fired.





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Dec 18 18:49:20 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:49:20 -0800
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <54935E1A.5010906@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5963F7FF-83A5-4D33-8AD5-2035320754CB@tactilemedia.com>
	<54935E1A.5010906@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E6461D35-EC5B-4C25-8EFF-B3312B3AABFD@tactilemedia.com>

Thanks for this suggestion, which I should have tried. There is indeed an error that occurs immediately after getting the file:
error Protocol https not supported or disabled in libcurl

I assume the libcurl library is a hosting thing, and not an LC server thing.  I did a little reading and from what I can tell libcurl is capable of supporting HTTPS, so now I?m trying to figure out if I need to somehow enable this on my (shared) DreamHost server?

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

On Dec 18, 2014, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Have you tried checking "the result" all over the place? There should be some info in there. Use a "put" statement to output the result into the browser window:
> 
>   if the result is not empty then put the result
> 
> Also somewhere early in the sequence, set the script to report any other errors. You can do that with:
> 
>  set the errorMode to "inline"
> 
> Then if there are actual errors happening, they'll show up in the browser too.
> 
> If you aren't using a browser to trigger the server script, the output will show up wherever you're calling the script from, like the message box or whatever.
> 
> 
> On 12/18/2014, 12:24 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Thanks Jacque.
>> 
>> The frustrating thing is this all of this used to work without any issue.  I don?t know if the problem is because of something DropBox changed, a server update by my web host (DreamHost), or my update to the 64 bit version of LC server.
>> 
>> Simon Smith says he can access the test file from his pre 6.7 version of LC server, so the problem would seem to be my host or LC 6.7.  Even then, accessing the file works fine on the 6.7 desktop, so I?m at a loss.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>> 
>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 10:05 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/17/2014, 2:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>> Hi List:
>>>> 
>>>> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files from
>>>> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost), it now
>>>> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>>>> 
>>>> With the following script:
>>>> 
>>>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip" into
>>>> theFile	
>>>> 	put the length of theFile
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>>>> 
>>>> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure if this is related or not, but I had a similar issue with AirLaunch when Dropbox eliminated their old-style default Public folder. AirLaunch could no longer retrieve files using the new method where you can share a link from anywhere in DB. But it could still do it if the file was in my grandfathered Public folder.
>>> 
>>> DB allows you to create an old-style Public folder if you don't already have one but they hide the information pretty well on their site. If you think this may be related to your problem and you don't yet have a Public folder, I can try to find the link for you. Once my customers created a Public folder and put the files in there, AirLaunch started working again.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 18 20:34:46 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:34:46 -0600
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <E6461D35-EC5B-4C25-8EFF-B3312B3AABFD@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5963F7FF-83A5-4D33-8AD5-2035320754CB@tactilemedia.com>
	<54935E1A.5010906@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E6461D35-EC5B-4C25-8EFF-B3312B3AABFD@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <6C526A44-9516-445D-A935-2A46603B1179@hyperactivesw.com>

Yay, progress. Sounds like a note to Dreamhost would fix it, they should be able to set it up for you. I'm pretty sure it's a server server thing. 

On December 18, 2014 5:49:20 PM CST, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>Thanks for this suggestion, which I should have tried. There is indeed
>an error that occurs immediately after getting the file:
>error Protocol https not supported or disabled in libcurl
>
>I assume the libcurl library is a hosting thing, and not an LC server
>thing.  I did a little reading and from what I can tell libcurl is
>capable of supporting HTTPS, so now I?m trying to figure out if I need
>to somehow enable this on my (shared) DreamHost server?
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi 
>Creative Director 
>Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 
>
>On Dec 18, 2014, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Have you tried checking "the result" all over the place? There should
>be some info in there. Use a "put" statement to output the result into
>the browser window:
>> 
>>   if the result is not empty then put the result
>> 
>> Also somewhere early in the sequence, set the script to report any
>other errors. You can do that with:
>> 
>>  set the errorMode to "inline"
>> 
>> Then if there are actual errors happening, they'll show up in the
>browser too.
>> 
>> If you aren't using a browser to trigger the server script, the
>output will show up wherever you're calling the script from, like the
>message box or whatever.
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/18/2014, 12:24 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>> Thanks Jacque.
>>> 
>>> The frustrating thing is this all of this used to work without any
>issue.  I don?t know if the problem is because of something DropBox
>changed, a server update by my web host (DreamHost), or my update to
>the 64 bit version of LC server.
>>> 
>>> Simon Smith says he can access the test file from his pre 6.7
>version of LC server, so the problem would seem to be my host or LC
>6.7.  Even then, accessing the file works fine on the 6.7 desktop, so
>I?m at a loss.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 10:05 AM, J. Landman Gay
><jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 12/17/2014, 2:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>>> Hi List:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files
>from
>>>>> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost),
>it now
>>>>> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>>>>> 
>>>>> With the following script:
>>>>> 
>>>>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip"
>into
>>>>> theFile	
>>>>> 	put the length of theFile
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure if this is related or not, but I had a similar issue
>with AirLaunch when Dropbox eliminated their old-style default Public
>folder. AirLaunch could no longer retrieve files using the new method
>where you can share a link from anywhere in DB. But it could still do
>it if the file was in my grandfathered Public folder.
>>>> 
>>>> DB allows you to create an old-style Public folder if you don't
>already have one but they hide the information pretty well on their
>site. If you think this may be related to your problem and you don't
>yet have a Public folder, I can try to find the link for you. Once my
>customers created a Public folder and put the files in there, AirLaunch
>started working again.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>subscription preferences:
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>>> 
>>> 
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>subscription preferences:
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
>> 
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>subscription preferences:
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Dec 18 21:05:09 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:05:09 -0800
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <6C526A44-9516-445D-A935-2A46603B1179@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5963F7FF-83A5-4D33-8AD5-2035320754CB@tactilemedia.com>
	<54935E1A.5010906@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E6461D35-EC5B-4C25-8EFF-B3312B3AABFD@tactilemedia.com>
	<6C526A44-9516-445D-A935-2A46603B1179@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <39890137-C590-429B-AA10-C17E1691FBA1@tactilemedia.com>

Sadly, all the HTTPS/SSL stuff appears to be enabled (looking at phpinfo) and the chat support dude said ?beyond our scope? so I?m not sure how to explain the problem to them, other than referring them to an output page.

This server stuff gets quite tiresome.

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

On Dec 18, 2014, at 5:34 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Yay, progress. Sounds like a note to Dreamhost would fix it, they should be able to set it up for you. I'm pretty sure it's a server server thing. 
> 
> On December 18, 2014 5:49:20 PM CST, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for this suggestion, which I should have tried. There is indeed
>> an error that occurs immediately after getting the file:
>> error Protocol https not supported or disabled in libcurl
>> 
>> I assume the libcurl library is a hosting thing, and not an LC server
>> thing.  I did a little reading and from what I can tell libcurl is
>> capable of supporting HTTPS, so now I?m trying to figure out if I need
>> to somehow enable this on my (shared) DreamHost server?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Scott Rossi 
>> Creative Director 
>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 
>> 
>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 3:07 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried checking "the result" all over the place? There should
>> be some info in there. Use a "put" statement to output the result into
>> the browser window:
>>> 
>>>  if the result is not empty then put the result
>>> 
>>> Also somewhere early in the sequence, set the script to report any
>> other errors. You can do that with:
>>> 
>>> set the errorMode to "inline"
>>> 
>>> Then if there are actual errors happening, they'll show up in the
>> browser too.
>>> 
>>> If you aren't using a browser to trigger the server script, the
>> output will show up wherever you're calling the script from, like the
>> message box or whatever.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/18/2014, 12:24 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>> Thanks Jacque.
>>>> 
>>>> The frustrating thing is this all of this used to work without any
>> issue.  I don?t know if the problem is because of something DropBox
>> changed, a server update by my web host (DreamHost), or my update to
>> the 64 bit version of LC server.
>>>> 
>>>> Simon Smith says he can access the test file from his pre 6.7
>> version of LC server, so the problem would seem to be my host or LC
>> 6.7.  Even then, accessing the file works fine on the 6.7 desktop, so
>> I?m at a loss.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Scott Rossi
>>>> Creative Director
>>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 10:05 AM, J. Landman Gay
>> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/17/2014, 2:14 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>>>> Hi List:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I?m wondering if anyone has been using LC Server to serve files
>> from
>>>>>> DropBox.  Since updating LC Server to 6.7 on my host (DreamHost),
>> it now
>>>>>> seems to be unable to retrieve files from DropBox.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With the following script:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/6fpl18ihvt7ffbl/test-image.zip"
>> into
>>>>>> theFile	
>>>>>> 	put the length of theFile
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On a desktop system, this works as expected in the message box.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On LC Server I get a value of 0.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure if this is related or not, but I had a similar issue
>> with AirLaunch when Dropbox eliminated their old-style default Public
>> folder. AirLaunch could no longer retrieve files using the new method
>> where you can share a link from anywhere in DB. But it could still do
>> it if the file was in my grandfathered Public folder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> DB allows you to create an old-style Public folder if you don't
>> already have one but they hide the information pretty well on their
>> site. If you think this may be related to your problem and you don't
>> yet have a Public folder, I can try to find the link for you. Once my
>> customers created a Public folder and put the files in there, AirLaunch
>> started working again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
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From paul at researchware.com  Thu Dec 18 17:43:16 2014
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:43:16 -0500
Subject: Scaling images and printing...
Message-ID: <54935884.7000303@researchware.com>

I have a problem with scaling images and printing.

I have the following portion of code where tObj is an image and tPrecent
is a number from 5 to 400. It's purpose is to scale an image to a %
scale factor the user entered and it does so.
 
put the fileName of tObj into tFile
set the filename of tObj to empty
set the fileName of tObj to tFile
set the alwaysbuffer of tObj to true
put the loc of tObj into tLoc
set the width of tObj to (the width of tObj * (tPercent/100))
set the height of tObj to (the height of tObj * (tPercent/100))
--set the imagedata of tObj to the imagedata of tObj -- to fix the size
for printing
set the loc of tObj to tLoc

If I then print the card with the image on it, the image is printed at
it's original size rather than the scaled size. If I added the commented
line "set the imagedata of tObj to the imagedata of tObj" back in to
"fix" the size of the image to the scaled size, card prints with the
image at the scaled size. Yea!

However, with the "set the imagedata of tObj to the imagedata of tObj"
line in the script, if the user resizes again, so the code above is
called with a different scaling factor, the image vanishes (or appears to).

The intent of the lines:
put the fileName of tObj into tFile
set the filename of tObj to empty
set the fileName of tObj to tFile

was to set the image back to its original size each time before scaling
so that the scaling would always be against the original image size (not
against it;s currently scaled size).

Is there a better way to allow users to rescale an image from it's
original size and still fix its size for printing?




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 18 22:00:05 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:00:05 -0600
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <39890137-C590-429B-AA10-C17E1691FBA1@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>	<5963F7FF-83A5-4D33-8AD5-2035320754CB@tactilemedia.com>	<54935E1A.5010906@hyperactivesw.com>	<E6461D35-EC5B-4C25-8EFF-B3312B3AABFD@tactilemedia.com>	<6C526A44-9516-445D-A935-2A46603B1179@hyperactivesw.com>
	<39890137-C590-429B-AA10-C17E1691FBA1@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <549394B5.2000403@hyperactivesw.com>

Somebody here should know, we have some savvy server folks. 
Unfortunately I'm not one of them, but maybe someone will take 
pity...start sobbing really loud.

On 12/18/2014, 8:05 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Sadly, all the HTTPS/SSL stuff appears to be enabled (looking at phpinfo) and the chat support dude said ?beyond our scope? so I?m not sure how to explain the problem to them, other than referring them to an output page.
>
> This server stuff gets quite tiresome.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>
> On Dec 18, 2014, at 5:34 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
>> Yay, progress. Sounds like a note to Dreamhost would fix it, they should be able to set it up for you. I'm pretty sure it's a server server thing.
>>
>> On December 18, 2014 5:49:20 PM CST, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for this suggestion, which I should have tried. There is indeed
>>> an error that occurs immediately after getting the file:
>>> error Protocol https not supported or disabled in libcurl
>>>
>>> I assume the libcurl library is a hosting thing, and not an LC server
>>> thing.  I did a little reading and from what I can tell libcurl is
>>> capable of supporting HTTPS, so now I?m trying to figure out if I need
>>> to somehow enable this on my (shared) DreamHost server?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Scott Rossi
>>> Creative Director
>>> Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
>>>


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Dec 18 22:10:13 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 21:10:13 -0600
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <39890137-C590-429B-AA10-C17E1691FBA1@tactilemedia.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>	<5963F7FF-83A5-4D33-8AD5-2035320754CB@tactilemedia.com>	<54935E1A.5010906@hyperactivesw.com>	<E6461D35-EC5B-4C25-8EFF-B3312B3AABFD@tactilemedia.com>	<6C526A44-9516-445D-A935-2A46603B1179@hyperactivesw.com>
	<39890137-C590-429B-AA10-C17E1691FBA1@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <54939715.4030907@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/18/2014, 8:05 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:
> Sadly, all the HTTPS/SSL stuff appears to be enabled (looking at
> phpinfo) and the chat support dude said ?beyond our scope? so I?m not
> sure how to explain the problem to them, other than referring them to
> an output page.

Found this: <http://curl.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#curl_1_SSL_is_disabled_https>

The copy of libCurl wasn't built with support for https. (That sounds 
kind of unlikely for a hosting company.)

But maybe it's something simpler:
<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6884669/curl-1-protocol-https-not-supported-or-disabled-in-libcurl>

Which involves a spurious space or other typo in a URL.

A couple of other links mention having 2 copies of libCurl in the path, 
and the wrong one getting triggered.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From peterwawood at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 00:06:20 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:06:20 +0800
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <54939715.4030907@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5963F7FF-83A5-4D33-8AD5-2035320754CB@tactilemedia.com>
	<54935E1A.5010906@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E6461D35-EC5B-4C25-8EFF-B3312B3AABFD@tactilemedia.com>
	<6C526A44-9516-445D-A935-2A46603B1179@hyperactivesw.com>
	<39890137-C590-429B-AA10-C17E1691FBA1@tactilemedia.com>
	<54939715.4030907@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B39FDF2A-1D92-456A-98D3-0A5ECF8682A0@gmail.com>

Scott and Jacque

I believe that LiveCodeServer includes a version of LibCurl and it looks likley to be the cause of the problem. I only have the latest RC version of LiveCode to hand so it may be worth trying my test script out of the version you are running.

I ran this script with LiveCodeServer:

#Start Code
#!livecode                   

set the outputLineEndings to "lf"

put the Version & return

put "http:" && the number of words of URL "http://bbc.co.uk"
put return 

put "https:" && the number of words of URL "https://github.com"
put return
#End Code

and got this:

#Start Output
7.0.1-rc-4
http: 4407
https: 0
#End Output

I then ran the same code modified to run in the message box:

#Start Code
put the Version & return into tTemp

put "http:" && the number of words of URL "http://bbc.co.uk" after tTemp
put return after tTemp

put "https:" && the number of words of URL "https://github.com" after tTemp
put return after tTemp

put tTemp
#End Code

and got this:

#Start Output
7.0.1-rc-4
http: 4407
https: 1068
#End Output

If you can confirm this I will file a bug report.

Regards

Peter

From peterwawood at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 01:01:37 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:01:37 +0800
Subject: LC Server Unable To Retrieve File From DropBox?
In-Reply-To: <54939715.4030907@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D0B72413.5E4B3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<54931758.10001@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5963F7FF-83A5-4D33-8AD5-2035320754CB@tactilemedia.com>
	<54935E1A.5010906@hyperactivesw.com>
	<E6461D35-EC5B-4C25-8EFF-B3312B3AABFD@tactilemedia.com>
	<6C526A44-9516-445D-A935-2A46603B1179@hyperactivesw.com>
	<39890137-C590-429B-AA10-C17E1691FBA1@tactilemedia.com>
	<54939715.4030907@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3AD7DA0E-0135-4820-9D07-E08B50E71D28@gmail.com>

I have submitted a bug report - Bug?14262 <http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14262>

Regards

Peter



From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Dec 19 12:32:23 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:32:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>

here is a definitive (as opposed to infinitive) calculation that correctly
sets the positon of text vertically in a field

for testing purposes it is ready to be put into a slider

optionally make three graphics to get visual feedback, see below

watch out for line breaks
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- optionally have visual feedback
-- make 3 horizontal line graphics, "gTop", "gBot", "gCenter"
-- place them near the field

on scrollbarDrag pValue -- tested with values 9 to 36
   lock screen
   put the long id of fld "fTest" into myFld -- change to name of your field
   
   set the textSize of myFld to pValue
   
   CenterTextVertically myFld
   
   if there is a grc "gTop" AND there is a grc "gBot" AND there is a grc
"gCenter" then
      getFeedBack myFld
   end if
   
end scrollbarDrag

on CenterTextVertically myFld
   put the effective textHeight of myFld into tTextHeight
   put item 2 of the loc of myFld into tfieldY
   
   put the formattedRect of line 1 to - 1 of myFld into tFormatRect
   put item 2 of tFormatRect into tCurrFormatTop
   put tfieldY - tCurrFormatTop into tCenterField_To_TopTextDiff
   
   put the number of lines of the text of myFld into tNoOfLines
   put (((tNoOfLInes div 2)) * tTextHeight) + (tNoOfLInes mod 2) *
(tTextHeight div 2) into tOffset
   
   set the topMargin of myFld to the topMargin of myFld +
tCenterField_To_TopTextDiff - tOffset
end CenterTextVertically

on getFeedBack myFld
   put the formattedRect of char 1 to - 1 of myFld into tFormatRect
   put item 2 of the loc of myFld into tfieldY
   set the top of grc "gTop" to item 2 of tFormatRect - 1
   set the top of grc "gBot" to item 4 of tFormatRect - 1
   set the top of grc "gCenter" to tFieldY - 1
end getFeedBack
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Did the code "you came across" not do what you wanted?

Kind regards
Bernd



Terence Heaford wrote
> Is there a definitive calculation that correctly sets the position of text
> vertically in a field?
> 
> I am using LC 6.7.
> 
> I have come across a few ideas like the one below that all appear to use
> an arbitrary offset to the margins, is there a method to calculate this
> accurately?
> 
>    put the effective textSize of fld id tID into tTextSize
>    --   put round (((tTextSize - 22) * 1/3)) into tOffset
>    put round (((tTextSize - 24) * 1/3)) into tOffset
>    put the formattedheight of char 1 to - 1 of fld id tID into
> tFormattedHeight
>    put round((the height of fld id tID - tFormattedHeight) / 2) into
> tVerticalMargins
>    put tVerticalMargins - tOffset into tTopMargin
>    put tVerticalMargins + tOffset into tBottomMargin
>    set the margins of fld id tID to 8,tTopMargin,8,tBottomMargin
> 
> All the best
> Terry





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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Fri Dec 19 14:38:59 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:38:59 -0800
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D3F4062C-A86F-4B84-8AC7-CBBFCE20A94C@canelasoftware.com>

This is great!

Just change text to formattedText for this line:

> put the number of lines of the text of myFld into tNoOfLines

See below

- Eric

On Dec 19, 2014, at 9:32 AM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

> here is a definitive (as opposed to infinitive) calculation that correctly
> sets the positon of text vertically in a field
> 
> for testing purposes it is ready to be put into a slider
> 
> optionally make three graphics to get visual feedback, see below
> 
> watch out for line breaks
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -- optionally have visual feedback
> -- make 3 horizontal line graphics, "gTop", "gBot", "gCenter"
> -- place them near the field
> 
> on scrollbarDrag pValue -- tested with values 9 to 36
>   lock screen
>   put the long id of fld "fTest" into myFld -- change to name of your field
> 
>   set the textSize of myFld to pValue
> 
>   CenterTextVertically myFld
> 
>   if there is a grc "gTop" AND there is a grc "gBot" AND there is a grc
> "gCenter" then
>      getFeedBack myFld
>   end if
> 
> end scrollbarDrag
> 
> on CenterTextVertically myFld
>   put the effective textHeight of myFld into tTextHeight
>   put item 2 of the loc of myFld into tfieldY
> 
>   put the formattedRect of line 1 to - 1 of myFld into tFormatRect
>   put item 2 of tFormatRect into tCurrFormatTop
>   put tfieldY - tCurrFormatTop into tCenterField_To_TopTextDiff
> 
>   put the number of lines of the text of myFld into tNoOfLines

put the number of lines of the formattedText of myFld into tNoOfLines

>   put (((tNoOfLInes div 2)) * tTextHeight) + (tNoOfLInes mod 2) *
> (tTextHeight div 2) into tOffset
> 
>   set the topMargin of myFld to the topMargin of myFld +
> tCenterField_To_TopTextDiff - tOffset
> end CenterTextVertically
> 
> on getFeedBack myFld
>   put the formattedRect of char 1 to - 1 of myFld into tFormatRect
>   put item 2 of the loc of myFld into tfieldY
>   set the top of grc "gTop" to item 2 of tFormatRect - 1
>   set the top of grc "gBot" to item 4 of tFormatRect - 1
>   set the top of grc "gCenter" to tFieldY - 1
> end getFeedBack
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Did the code "you came across" not do what you wanted?
> 
> Kind regards
> Bernd
> 
> 
> 
> Terence Heaford wrote
>> Is there a definitive calculation that correctly sets the position of text
>> vertically in a field?
>> 
>> I am using LC 6.7.
>> 
>> I have come across a few ideas like the one below that all appear to use
>> an arbitrary offset to the margins, is there a method to calculate this
>> accurately?
>> 
>>   put the effective textSize of fld id tID into tTextSize
>>   --   put round (((tTextSize - 22) * 1/3)) into tOffset
>>   put round (((tTextSize - 24) * 1/3)) into tOffset
>>   put the formattedheight of char 1 to - 1 of fld id tID into
>> tFormattedHeight
>>   put round((the height of fld id tID - tFormattedHeight) / 2) into
>> tVerticalMargins
>>   put tVerticalMargins - tOffset into tTopMargin
>>   put tVerticalMargins + tOffset into tBottomMargin
>>   set the margins of fld id tID to 8,tTopMargin,8,tBottomMargin
>> 
>> All the best
>> Terry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 19 14:52:02 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:52:02 +0000
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>

Thank you very much for this code.

I was surprised that LC did not have an option for vertically aligned text in a field and on searching the forum found your method.

However, on my iMac the offset calculation did not seem to work precisely and I had to adjust it slightly.

As I am creating a report stack for printing tables that may have different fonts and font sizes with different row(field) heights provided as parameters I was looking for a reliable way to centre text vertically with the possibility of many options.

Thanks again, this really looks like the answer. I will report back if anything looks odd in testing.

All the best

Terry
 
> On 19 Dec 2014, at 17:32, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
> 
> Did the code "you came across" not do what you wanted?



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 14:57:55 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:57:55 -0600
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>

What requirement am I missing that this isn't sufficient -- and capable of
handling multiple fonts and font sizes throughout the text?

   get the formattedrect of line 1 to -1 of fld 1
   set the topmargin of fld 1 to (the height of fld 1 - item 4 of it + item
2 of it) div 2


On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Terence Heaford <t.heaford at btinternet.com>
wrote:

> Thank you very much for this code.
>
> I was surprised that LC did not have an option for vertically aligned text
> in a field and on searching the forum found your method.
>
> However, on my iMac the offset calculation did not seem to work precisely
> and I had to adjust it slightly.
>
> As I am creating a report stack for printing tables that may have
> different fonts and font sizes with different row(field) heights provided
> as parameters I was looking for a reliable way to centre text vertically
> with the possibility of many options.
>
> Thanks again, this really looks like the answer. I will report back if
> anything looks odd in testing.
>
> All the best
>
> Terry
>
> > On 19 Dec 2014, at 17:32, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
> >
> > Did the code "you came across" not do what you wanted?
>
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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Dec 19 14:50:13 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:50:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <D3F4062C-A86F-4B84-8AC7-CBBFCE20A94C@canelasoftware.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D3F4062C-A86F-4B84-8AC7-CBBFCE20A94C@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1419018613035-4686958.post@n4.nabble.com>

Thank Eric,

Oh, I forgot about wrapping text. That is a neat addition.

Actually I don't really use this myself, so I was thinking about something
like small 3 - 5 lines of text in a separate field, not big wrapped text.

Kind regards
Bernd 
Eric Corbett wrote
> This is great!
> 
> Just change text to formattedText for this line:
> 
>> put the number of lines of the text of myFld into tNoOfLines
> 
> See below
> 
> - Eric





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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 19 15:17:00 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:17:00 +0000
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6724899-AECC-49C9-8972-1FE7E29D4804@btinternet.com>

I think we are on a different wavelength here.

The code I was originally using from the forum was:

   --   put the effective textSize of fld id tID into tTextSize
   --   put round (((tTextSize - 24) * 1/3)) into tOffset
   --   put the formattedheight of char 1 to - 1 of fld id tID into tFormattedHeight
   --   put round((the height of fld id tID - tFormattedHeight) / 2) into tVerticalMargins
   --   put tVerticalMargins - tOffset into tTopMargin
   --   put tVerticalMargins + tOffset into tBottomMargin
   --   set the margins of fld id tID to 8,tTopMargin,8,tBottomMargin


This is the line I had to adjust

   --   put round (((tTextSize - 24) * 1/3)) into tOffset

I think it was originally 22 not 24.

Was this code yours or Bernd's.

Not sure how I seemed to have upset you but that was not my intention.

All the best

Terry


> On 19 Dec 2014, at 19:57, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What requirement am I missing that this isn't sufficient -- and capable of
> handling multiple fonts and font sizes throughout the text?



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Dec 19 15:25:17 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:25:17 -0800
Subject: Scaling images and printing...
In-Reply-To: <54935884.7000303@researchware.com>
References: <54935884.7000303@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <D0B9C733.5E51A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi Paul:

If I understand what you are trying to do, here are a couple of
suggestions.  When first setting the fileName, also store this path in a
custom property to be able to retrieve it later (such as the uFileName).
Also, if possible, only set the imageData of the image to itself when
printing; a soon as printing is completed, reset the fileName of the image
to the stored fileName (uFileName) so resizing can take place.  If the
image is not locked, you?ll need to restore its scaled rect after
restoring the fileName.

One thing to avoid is setting the imageData to itself repeatedly as the
image is being scaled.  This will likely make scaling slow and less
responsive.  Also consider setting the resizeQuality of the image to
?good? which is a compromise between quality and performance.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 12/18/14, 2:43 PM, "Paul Dupuis" <paul at researchware.com> wrote:

>I have a problem with scaling images and printing.
>
>I have the following portion of code where tObj is an image and tPrecent
>is a number from 5 to 400. It's purpose is to scale an image to a %
>scale factor the user entered and it does so.
> 
>put the fileName of tObj into tFile
>set the filename of tObj to empty
>set the fileName of tObj to tFile
>set the alwaysbuffer of tObj to true
>put the loc of tObj into tLoc
>set the width of tObj to (the width of tObj * (tPercent/100))
>set the height of tObj to (the height of tObj * (tPercent/100))
>--set the imagedata of tObj to the imagedata of tObj -- to fix the size
>for printing
>set the loc of tObj to tLoc
>
>If I then print the card with the image on it, the image is printed at
>it's original size rather than the scaled size. If I added the commented
>line "set the imagedata of tObj to the imagedata of tObj" back in to
>"fix" the size of the image to the scaled size, card prints with the
>image at the scaled size. Yea!
>
>However, with the "set the imagedata of tObj to the imagedata of tObj"
>line in the script, if the user resizes again, so the code above is
>called with a different scaling factor, the image vanishes (or appears
>to).
>
>The intent of the lines:
>put the fileName of tObj into tFile
>set the filename of tObj to empty
>set the fileName of tObj to tFile
>
>was to set the image back to its original size each time before scaling
>so that the scaling would always be against the original image size (not
>against it;s currently scaled size).
>
>Is there a better way to allow users to rescale an image from it's
>original size and still fix its size for printing?
>
>
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From rdimola at evergreeninfo.net  Fri Dec 19 15:29:57 2014
From: rdimola at evergreeninfo.net (Ralph DiMola)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:29:57 -0500
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <F6724899-AECC-49C9-8972-1FE7E29D4804@btinternet.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F6724899-AECC-49C9-8972-1FE7E29D4804@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <003601d01bca$8e369570$aaa3c050$@net>

I have been working on this for a while. I found out that the base line is
different on various platforms. This makes the calculation change on various
platforms. See bugs http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13551 and
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12176 .

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdimola at evergreeninfo.net


-----Original Message-----
From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Terence Heaford
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:17 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Vertically aligning text in a field

I think we are on a different wavelength here.

The code I was originally using from the forum was:

   --   put the effective textSize of fld id tID into tTextSize
   --   put round (((tTextSize - 24) * 1/3)) into tOffset
   --   put the formattedheight of char 1 to - 1 of fld id tID into
tFormattedHeight
   --   put round((the height of fld id tID - tFormattedHeight) / 2) into
tVerticalMargins
   --   put tVerticalMargins - tOffset into tTopMargin
   --   put tVerticalMargins + tOffset into tBottomMargin
   --   set the margins of fld id tID to 8,tTopMargin,8,tBottomMargin


This is the line I had to adjust

   --   put round (((tTextSize - 24) * 1/3)) into tOffset

I think it was originally 22 not 24.

Was this code yours or Bernd's.

Not sure how I seemed to have upset you but that was not my intention.

All the best

Terry


> On 19 Dec 2014, at 19:57, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What requirement am I missing that this isn't sufficient -- and 
> capable of handling multiple fonts and font sizes throughout the text?

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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Dec 19 15:35:47 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:35:47 -0800
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <D0B9CACB.5E532%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hi Terry:

FWIW, I?ve never been able to get the field adjustment code working for
anything but default text.  I?ve pretty much given up on using fields for
vertically centered text and use buttons where possible.  Once you
establish a topMargin offset to center the text (you can use a negative
margin value via script even though the Inspector doesn?t accept negative
numbers), the text will automatically stay vertically centered, regardless
of how the button is scaled.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design




On 12/19/14, 11:52 AM, "Terence Heaford" <t.heaford at btinternet.com> wrote:

>Thank you very much for this code.
>
>I was surprised that LC did not have an option for vertically aligned
>text in a field and on searching the forum found your method.
>
>However, on my iMac the offset calculation did not seem to work precisely
>and I had to adjust it slightly.
>
>As I am creating a report stack for printing tables that may have
>different fonts and font sizes with different row(field) heights provided
>as parameters I was looking for a reliable way to centre text vertically
>with the possibility of many options.
>
>Thanks again, this really looks like the answer. I will report back if
>anything looks odd in testing.
>
>All the best
>
>Terry
> 
>> On 19 Dec 2014, at 17:32, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Did the code "you came across" not do what you wanted?
>
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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 19 15:42:30 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:42:30 +0000
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <D0B9CACB.5E532%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<D0B9CACB.5E532%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4429F7C1-0A0A-4156-8B35-DCA0DC7DBE22@btinternet.com>

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the feedback, noted to give your suggestion a try.

All the best

Terry

> On 19 Dec 2014, at 20:35, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I?ve never been able to get the field adjustment code working for
> anything but default text.  I?ve pretty much given up on using fields for
> vertically centered text and use buttons where possible.



From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Dec 19 15:46:31 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 12:46:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1419021991487-4686964.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Geoff,

both code versions were intended for fixedLineHeight text. But now you
mention it I will try to adjust the code for variable lineHeight and varying
fonts.

Since am currently doing "cantuccini" (sort of italian cookies) I will try
it a little later.

I think the solution is not to rely on the textHeight but to calculate from
the formattedHeight / 2 in code version 2. Put that into the offset. I have
not tried it though yet.

Kind regards

Bernd


Geoff Canyon-4 wrote
> What requirement am I missing that this isn't sufficient -- and capable of
> handling multiple fonts and font sizes throughout the text?
> 
>    get the formattedrect of line 1 to -1 of fld 1
>    set the topmargin of fld 1 to (the height of fld 1 - item 4 of it +
> item
> 2 of it) div 2
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Terence Heaford &lt;

> t.heaford@

> &gt;
> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you very much for this code.
>>
>> I was surprised that LC did not have an option for vertically aligned
>> text
>> in a field and on searching the forum found your method.
>>
>> However, on my iMac the offset calculation did not seem to work precisely
>> and I had to adjust it slightly.
>>
>> As I am creating a report stack for printing tables that may have
>> different fonts and font sizes with different row(field) heights provided
>> as parameters I was looking for a reliable way to centre text vertically
>> with the possibility of many options.
>>
>> Thanks again, this really looks like the answer. I will report back if
>> anything looks odd in testing.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> > On 19 Dec 2014, at 17:32, BNig &lt;

> bernd.niggemann@

> &gt; wrote:
>> >
>> > Did the code "you came across" not do what you wanted?
>>
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From ben at livecode.com  Fri Dec 19 17:04:45 2014
From: ben at livecode.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 22:04:45 +0000
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 6.7.1 GM1
Message-ID: <CADd0_TwfB8EW3iX22BtKA=JYwggARzpORTcEVUg2BRey+nTEFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members,

We're pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 6.7.1 GM1. This is a
maintenance release focusing on product robustness and quality. We've been
working for the last 10 weeks refining the 6.7 series and will continue our
support of this release series into 2015.

*Release Contents*
This release contains 7 bug fixes. Most notable is a fix to text rendering
performance that was effecting the editing of long scripts

For a full list of the bugs fixed in this release please see the release
notes: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/6_7_1/LiveCodeNotes-6_7_1.pdf

*Getting the Release*
To get the release please select "check for updates" from the "help" menu
in the product or download the installer directly at:
http://downloads.livecode.com

*LiveCode 6.7.2*
In the final few days before Christmas we'll commence work on LiveCode
6.7.2 which will focus on continued refinements to the 6.7 engine. We've
built 64 bit iOS engines in preparation for the changes Apple is making to
AppStore submission. The first release of 6.7.2 will be available in early
January.

Warm regards,

The LiveCode Team


From ben at livecode.com  Fri Dec 19 17:13:09 2014
From: ben at livecode.com (Benjamin Beaumont)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 22:13:09 +0000
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 7.0.1
Message-ID: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear List Members,

We're pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 7.0.1. This is a stable
release focusing on product robustness and quality. We've been working for
the last 10 weeks refining the 6.7 and 7.0 series, both of which we'll
continue to support into 2015. LiveCode 7.0 also features all the fixes
brought in 6.7 series.

*Release Contents*
This release contains 5 bug fixes. Most notable is a fix to text rendering
performance that was effecting the editing of long scripts.

For a full list of the bugs fixed in this release please see the release
notes: http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/7_0_1/LiveCodeNotes-7_0_1.pdf

*Getting the Release*
To get the release please select "check for updates" from the "help" menu
in the product or download the installer directly at:
http://downloads.livecode.com

*LiveCode 6.7.2 and 7.0.2*
In the final few days before Christmas we'll commence work on LiveCode
7.0.2 which will focus on continued refinements to the 7.0 engine. We've
built 64 bit iOS engines in preparation for the changes Apple is making to
AppStore submission. The first release of 7.0.2 will be available in early
January.

Warm regards and a happy Christmas,

The LiveCode Team


From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Dec 19 17:32:33 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:32:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1419028353494-4686967.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Geoff,

I think I found a solution for variable textHeight and different fonts in a
field.

Try this. It is now independent from the textHeight and just uses the
formattedHeight.

And no need to watch out for wrapped text. Should work with any text whose
formattedRect and is reported correctly, which apparently according to Ralph
is not always the case on mobile devices.

This is again  for scrollbar for a field you configure to your liking. You
can optionally have visual feedback when you make 3 horizontal line graphics
and name them as stated in the script. The textSize is only changed for the
lines that don't have their textSize set explicitly. Uncheck "fixed
textHeight" in the properties inspector.
Not extensively tested but seems to work

Kind regards
Bernd

as always: watch out for line breaks
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- optionally have visual feedback
-- make 3 horizontal line graphics, "gTop", "gBot", "gCenter"
-- place them near the field

on scrollbarDrag pValue -- tested with values 9 to 36
   lock screen
   put the long id of fld "fTest" into myFld -- change to name of your field
   
   set the textSize of myFld to pValue -- block if you want
   
   CenterTextVertically myFld
   
   if there is a grc "gTop" AND there is a grc "gBot" AND there is a grc
"gCenter" then
      getFeedBack myFld
   end if
   
end scrollbarDrag

on CenterTextVertically myFld
   put the effective textHeight of myFld into tTextHeight
   put item 2 of the loc of myFld into tfieldY
   
   put the formattedRect of line 1 to - 1 of myFld into tFormatRect
   put item 4 of tFormatRect - item 2 of tFormatRect into tFormatHeight
   put tFormatHeight div 2 into tFormatHalfHeight
   
   put item 2 of tFormatRect into tCurrFormatTop
   put tfieldY - tCurrFormatTop into tCenterField_To_TopTextDiff
   
   set the topMargin of myFld to the topMargin of myFld +
tCenterField_To_TopTextDiff - tFormatHalfHeight
end CenterTextVertically

on getFeedBack myFld
   put the formattedRect of char 1 to - 1 of myFld into tFormatRect
   put item 2 of the loc of myFld into tfieldY
   set the top of grc "gTop" to item 2 of tFormatRect - 1
   set the top of grc "gBot" to item 4 of tFormatRect - 1
   set the top of grc "gCenter" to tFieldY - 1
end getFeedBack
----------------------------------------------------------------------------




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From johnpatten at me.com  Fri Dec 19 17:58:40 2014
From: johnpatten at me.com (JOHN PATTEN)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:58:40 -0800
Subject: "Print link" in PDF using Images?
Message-ID: <9DB6F24C-F9C9-48DA-BB69-2E4673CFD40B@me.com>

Hi All,

Is it possible to use the rect of an image to create a link and have the image then become the link button? I?m trying to repeat through some images on a card and save them as links in the resulting PDF.

      get the ImageRect of img ("MasterVideoPlay" & x) of cd 5
      put it into tRect
      get the tImageBtnLink of cd fld ("video" & x ) of cd 5
      put it into tURL
      Answer  "Print link to url" && tURL && "with rect" && tRect
      print link to url tURL with rect tRect

Thank you!
John Patten
SUSD
      






From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Dec 19 17:59:28 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:59:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <003601d01bca$8e369570$aaa3c050$@net>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F6724899-AECC-49C9-8972-1FE7E29D4804@btinternet.com>
	<003601d01bca$8e369570$aaa3c050$@net>
Message-ID: <1419029968421-4686969.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Ralph,

I have not tried this all on mobile devices. But on desktops the baseline of
the first line is consistently found with this piece of code. I had the need
for a starting point for a gradient behind the text and had difficulties
finding a consitent reference point. I found the base line of line 1 and
from then on the textHeight is ok.
There is something in the first line that is not exactly the textHeight. Or
I haven't found it.

Anyways here is the code for a field with fixedTextHeight. TextHeight can be
manually/by script set to be different from the automatic textHeight when
choosing a textSize.

Margins border are taken into account. This piece of code is surpisingly
robust...

this is on mouseEnter for a a field, make a horizontal line graphic
"gBaseLine" to see where it is and turn in the Properties Inspector -> Table
-> hGrid on to see the base lines

as always watch out for line breaks
---------------------------------------------
on mouseEnter
   -- now calculate the position of the first base line of the first line of
the field.
   --  = first horizontal divider from top
   -- the gradient should go there
   
   -- find out difference between automatic textheight and manually set
textHeight
   -- formula according to documentation
   put the effective textSize of me into tTextSize
   put trunc(4/3*tTextSize) into tRegularTextHeight
   put the effective textHeight of me - tRegularTextHeight into tDiff
   
   -- the first line is not the formattedHeight but changes according to the
font size
   -- formula found by experimentation
   put round (((tTextSize - 22) * 1/3)) into tKorr
   
   -- NOTE added 1 to the calculated From
   -- the vertical coordinate of the gradient from
   put the top of me  + the effective textSize of me + the borderWidth of me 
\
         + the topMargin of me + tKorr + tDiff  into tFirstBaseLineY
   
   put the vScroll of me into tVScroll
   subtract tVScroll from tYofFirstBaseLine
   
   if there is a graphic "gBaseLine" then
      set the top of grc "gBaseLine" to tFirstBaseLineY
   end if
   
end mouseEnter
---------------------------------------------



Ralph DiMola wrote
> I have been working on this for a while. I found out that the base line is
> different on various platforms. This makes the calculation change on
> various
> platforms. See bugs http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13551 and
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12176 .
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director





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From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Dec 19 18:02:53 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:02:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1419030173754-4686970.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Terry,

Look at my reply to Geoff. I think this is more the solution you need
because that code makes no assumptions about fixed textHeight, line wrapping
and so on. It should work for any type of field and center what is visible
vertically.

Kind regards
Bernd


Terence Heaford wrote
> Thank you very much for this code.
> 
> I was surprised that LC did not have an option for vertically aligned text
> in a field and on searching the forum found your method.
> 
> However, on my iMac the offset calculation did not seem to work precisely
> and I had to adjust it slightly.
> 
> As I am creating a report stack for printing tables that may have
> different fonts and font sizes with different row(field) heights provided
> as parameters I was looking for a reliable way to centre text vertically
> with the possibility of many options.
> 
> Thanks again, this really looks like the answer. I will report back if
> anything looks odd in testing.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Terry





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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Sat Dec 20 02:43:26 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 07:43:26 +0000
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <1419030173754-4686970.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<1419030173754-4686970.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C56E985B-E4B6-42C4-B80F-874519143B58@btinternet.com>

Hi Bernd,

Thanks very much for all your efforts, on first use there does not appear to be any issues.

Thanks again

Terry

> On 19 Dec 2014, at 23:02, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Terry,
> 
> Look at my reply to Geoff. 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 20 02:44:11 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 01:44:11 -0600
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <1419029968421-4686969.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F6724899-AECC-49C9-8972-1FE7E29D4804@btinternet.com>
	<003601d01bca$8e369570$aaa3c050$@net>
	<1419029968421-4686969.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9B9EE9CC-B1A0-4764-9EE8-BFC799AA9D0B@hyperactivesw.com>

The field topmargin maybe? 

On December 19, 2014 4:59:28 PM CST, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
>
>I have not tried this all on mobile devices. But on desktops the
>baseline of
>the first line is consistently found with this piece of code. I had the
>need
>for a starting point for a gradient behind the text and had
>difficulties
>finding a consitent reference point. I found the base line of line 1
>and
>from then on the textHeight is ok.
>There is something in the first line that is not exactly the
>textHeight. Or
>I haven't found it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From peterwawood at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 04:01:56 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:01:56 +0800
Subject: Time for another LiveCode Global Jam?
Message-ID: <83F7DA9F-78A4-4114-900F-BBBDE24C14F9@gmail.com>

This message is really for Richard Gaskin in his role as LiveCode Community Manager but I thought it would be useful (especially for Richard) to get other people?s feedback.

It may be just me but I have noticed two themes growing on the mailing lists. The first is the expression of dissatisfaction with the quality of LiveCode 7 mainly from people who have a commercial licence (or subscription). The second is the number of people who are reluctant to move anything which needs to be relied upon to LiveCode 7 especially those whose livelihood (or part of it) is dependent on LiveCode. Both are completely understandable. 

I see this as quite a chicken and egg situation, people didn?t have the time to test LiveCode 7 pre-releases. Now when they give LiveCode 7 a  try, they come across issues that have a serious effect on them. This is turn makes them more reluctant to do further testing and hence further delays there intention to move to LiveCode 7.

Whilst I have no doubt that RunRev?s own testing could be much improved and it would be worth their investment of more time into testing, the reality seems to be that at this time they are relying on bug reports to improve the product quality.

Personally, I want to see LiveCode progress and, galling though it may seem to some, would prefer to put a little effort in to finding bugs rather than sit and wait.

Perhaps you would consider requesting that RunRev organise another Global Jam event where the community reports bug and the RunRev team fixes them. It might help to built a little more momentum in moving LiveCode forward.

Regards

Peter
http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com <http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/> 








From peterwawood at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 04:14:12 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:14:12 +0800
Subject: Where are the tests hidden?
Message-ID: <E165F895-DC5A-4962-AAA5-D90E88ED74CB@gmail.com>

If my memory serves me correctly, at some stage during the open sourcing of LiveCode it was stated that RunRev have some type of automated test suite. Earlier this year, I asked this question on the engine contributors forum:

?It will probably be a long time before I have the necessary knowledge to make changes to the engine. However, I'm pretty sure that I, and probably a lot more LiveCoders, could help write tests. I have an affinity for bugs, most of my code is full of them :-) The only thing is I can't find the tests. Where are they hidden??

It would be good if we could submit tests to a central source and thereby improve the quality of LiveCode.

Any suggestions?

Regards

Peter





From bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sat Dec 20 05:08:03 2014
From: bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 02:08:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <9B9EE9CC-B1A0-4764-9EE8-BFC799AA9D0B@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F6724899-AECC-49C9-8972-1FE7E29D4804@btinternet.com>
	<003601d01bca$8e369570$aaa3c050$@net>
	<1419029968421-4686969.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<9B9EE9CC-B1A0-4764-9EE8-BFC799AA9D0B@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <1419070083581-4686975.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Jaque,

I needed to know where the hGrid line of line 1 shows.

I did not get there by adding:

top of field, topMargin, borderSize and effective textHeight. 

So I don't know what I missed but that calculation gives me a 7 pixel offset
i.e. the position is 7 pixel below the hGrid of line 1. I don't know what
these 7 pixel are.
Then I went into experimentation mode and found that empiric formula.

Maybe someone has an idea how to calculate the hGrid position of line 1 of
an EMPTY field in a straight forward way.

Kind regards
Bernd



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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 05:36:46 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:36:46 +0200
Subject: Where are the tests hidden?
In-Reply-To: <E165F895-DC5A-4962-AAA5-D90E88ED74CB@gmail.com>
References: <E165F895-DC5A-4962-AAA5-D90E88ED74CB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5495513E.1090409@gmail.com>

On 20/12/14 11:14, Peter W A Wood wrote:
> If my memory serves me correctly, at some stage during the open sourcing of LiveCode it was stated that RunRev have some type of automated test suite. Earlier this year, I asked this question on the engine contributors forum:
>
> ?It will probably be a long time before I have the necessary knowledge to make changes to the engine. However, I'm pretty sure that I, and probably a lot more LiveCoders, could help write tests. I have an affinity for bugs, most of my code is full of them :-) The only thing is I can't find the tests. Where are they hidden??
>
> It would be good if we could submit tests to a central source and thereby improve the quality of LiveCode.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
>

I'll second that.

ALSO . . . why not make the automated test suite available for download 
so that eccentric characters who run LiveCode on
minority platforms and/or Linux distros with multiple desktop/windowing 
managers can run  tests and feedback to the
mothership?

I, for one, would be happy to spend some time running the test suite 
with LC installs on a machine running ReactOS . . .

Richmond.



From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 09:30:51 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:30:51 -0800
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 7.0.1
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGcETsxWdWP3f4=poK1_-cyRK=Yj9afOJtPDzW5u8mowg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at livecode.com> wrote:

> We're pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 7.0.1. This is a stable
> release focusing on product robustness and quality
>

The constant crashing didn't change from RC3 or RC4.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 10:32:09 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:32:09 +0200
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 7.0.1
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGcETsxWdWP3f4=poK1_-cyRK=Yj9afOJtPDzW5u8mowg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGcETsxWdWP3f4=poK1_-cyRK=Yj9afOJtPDzW5u8mowg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54959679.9000604@gmail.com>

On 20/12/14 16:30, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at livecode.com> wrote:
>
>> We're pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 7.0.1. This is a stable
>> release focusing on product robustness and quality
>>
> The constant crashing didn't change from RC3 or RC4.
>
>

I would hold your fire until you've played around with the Stable version.

Richmond.



From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 11:36:15 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 08:36:15 -0800
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 7.0.1
In-Reply-To: <54959679.9000604@gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGcETsxWdWP3f4=poK1_-cyRK=Yj9afOJtPDzW5u8mowg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54959679.9000604@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSF=Lqhg3nX2vf-mxDw5X7ckcSyWZqndsEQ_x-U2NJHO+Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would hold your fire until you've played around with the Stable version.


This *is* the stable version!  (or it's supposd to be).

It wouldn't stay up long enough to play around with it--apparently from the
same bug reported against RC3 and RC4, for which they were provided a demo
stack, and went to release with a show-stopper anyway.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sat Dec 20 12:46:05 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:46:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 7.0.1
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSF=Lqhg3nX2vf-mxDw5X7ckcSyWZqndsEQ_x-U2NJHO+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGcETsxWdWP3f4=poK1_-cyRK=Yj9afOJtPDzW5u8mowg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54959679.9000604@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSF=Lqhg3nX2vf-mxDw5X7ckcSyWZqndsEQ_x-U2NJHO+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1419097565023-4686980.post@n4.nabble.com>

The main thing that put me off LC 7 was a discernible pause when opening an
iOS app built with LC 7 or 6.7 which was not there with apps built with
6.6.5 - but as I am not at the moment really close to publishing an app I
feel that it is worth the gamble that LC 7 will have this sorted out by the
time I'm ready.

The gamble is that if I and others don't use LC 7 and help to move it
forward then I'll suffer because my development tool will not keep up with
new requirements (such as 64-bit) as against the certainty that if I build
with LC 6.6.5 there would be more stability but I would be staying with a
soon-to-be-made-redundant version (lack of 64-bit support for iOS).

Like most of you I keep quite a few versions of LiveCode going on my
computer and use them for different purposes, but now with the new stack
file format feel there is a gulf opening up between 6.6 and 6.7 and 7 - and
want to support getting the newer versions working as nicely as possible as
soon a possible (and have been using predominantly using LC 7 for the last
couple of weeks...)

What I've also found is saving a stack in 'legacy' format in LC 7 (up to
rc3, haven't tried with later versions) is that on more complex stacks the
conversion didn't produce 100% stable versions and that (for me at least)
moving a stack to LC 7 was effectively a one-way process (which kept me away
from using LC 7 for quite a while...).

As regards my experience with LC 7: rc3 was fine, rc4 was very bad for about
20 mins (it would crash when I used command+S), but after a reboot is has
been stable. And so far LC 7.0.1 has been stable (but haven't used it that
much yet).

In short, if you develop for iOS there is a looming cut-off for using LC
6.6.5 because from 1st February Apple won't accept 32-bit apps and only LC
6.7 and 7 will be able to product 64-bit builds - so if you want to keep
building for mobile you will have to move to the next generation - it's just
a matter of when you jump...

Kind regards

Dave




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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sat Dec 20 13:09:13 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:09:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Time for another LiveCode Global Jam?
In-Reply-To: <83F7DA9F-78A4-4114-900F-BBBDE24C14F9@gmail.com>
References: <83F7DA9F-78A4-4114-900F-BBBDE24C14F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1419098953726-4686981.post@n4.nabble.com>

Well done for posting this Peter

On 1st February Apple stops accepting new submissions for 32-bit apps.

RunRev is developing LiveCode 6.7.2 and 7.0.2 to build 64-bit apps. 

That means if you want to continue deploying to iOS you MUST move over to
using LC 6.7 or 7 (except for updates for apps, which can continue with
32-bit up to 1st June).

So yes I think all of us joining in on using LC 7 - and critically, spending
the time to report bugs when we find them - is a very good idea.

Kind regards

Dave



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From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 13:41:33 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:41:33 -0800
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <1419028353494-4686967.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1419028353494-4686967.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtp8cAWsgwrB6-au9jarHR3Ygy8YVR7CHbqC-Q=vDctW6Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 2:32 PM, BNig <bernd.niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:

> Hi Geoff,
>
> I think I found a solution for variable textHeight and different fonts in a
> field.
>

If the formattedRect breaks on mobile, then that's a bug for the LC team,
but other than that, doesn't my two-line solution work? I'm not seeing a
way to break my two-line solution? What is the need for a more complex
solution?


From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 13:45:10 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:45:10 -0800
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 7.0.1
In-Reply-To: <1419097565023-4686980.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSGcETsxWdWP3f4=poK1_-cyRK=Yj9afOJtPDzW5u8mowg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54959679.9000604@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSF=Lqhg3nX2vf-mxDw5X7ckcSyWZqndsEQ_x-U2NJHO+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<1419097565023-4686980.post@n4.nabble.com>
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On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
wrote:

> What I've also found is saving a stack in 'legacy' format in LC 7 (up to
> rc3, haven't tried with later versions) is that on more complex stacks the
> conversion didn't produce 100% stable versions and that (for me at least)
> moving a stack to LC 7 was effectively a one-way process (which kept me
> away
> from using LC 7 for quite a while...).
>

I just narrowed it down to this about 20 minutes ago.

My 15mb stack is in 5.5 format, for whatever reason.  Probably from when I
first started dabbling with 6 and discovered that I had to go back and
forth to clear the name shadow bug.

I saved in 7 fomat, and it seems to be down to a couple of random crashes
per hour, about the same as C2

6.7.1 has the same problem.

I tried 6.5.1, but it wouldn't start the mouseEnter script in a behavior
for one of my stacks, so I couldn't try anything.

I've also just added bug Bug 14277
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14277> with a button and this
script:


It will drop out of livecode (application quit unexpectedly) every time
when it hits the loop.  I saved as legacy, and 6.7 generated the expecetd
error.


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 13:57:07 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:57:07 -0800
Subject: Scaling images and printing...
In-Reply-To: <54935884.7000303@researchware.com>
References: <54935884.7000303@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtqhGPsbWO=NqokMW9g_4i8pPzkPQ+W5YXwXURpnOD8OcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Don't you have to set the lockLoc of the image to true to make the resizing
stick reliably?

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:

> I have a problem with scaling images and printing.
>
> I have the following portion of code where tObj is an image and tPrecent
> is a number from 5 to 400. It's purpose is to scale an image to a %
> scale factor the user entered and it does so.
>
> put the fileName of tObj into tFile
> set the filename of tObj to empty
> set the fileName of tObj to tFile
> set the alwaysbuffer of tObj to true
> put the loc of tObj into tLoc
> set the width of tObj to (the width of tObj * (tPercent/100))
> set the height of tObj to (the height of tObj * (tPercent/100))
> --set the imagedata of tObj to the imagedata of tObj -- to fix the size
> for printing
> set the loc of tObj to tLoc
>
> If I then print the card with the image on it, the image is printed at
> it's original size rather than the scaled size. If I added the commented
> line "set the imagedata of tObj to the imagedata of tObj" back in to
> "fix" the size of the image to the scaled size, card prints with the
> image at the scaled size. Yea!
>
> However, with the "set the imagedata of tObj to the imagedata of tObj"
> line in the script, if the user resizes again, so the code above is
> called with a different scaling factor, the image vanishes (or appears to).
>
> The intent of the lines:
> put the fileName of tObj into tFile
> set the filename of tObj to empty
> set the fileName of tObj to tFile
>
> was to set the image back to its original size each time before scaling
> so that the scaling would always be against the original image size (not
> against it;s currently scaled size).
>
> Is there a better way to allow users to rescale an image from it's
> original size and still fix its size for printing?
>
>
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From t.heaford at btinternet.com  Sat Dec 20 14:06:22 2014
From: t.heaford at btinternet.com (Terence Heaford)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 19:06:22 +0000
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp8cAWsgwrB6-au9jarHR3Ygy8YVR7CHbqC-Q=vDctW6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1419028353494-4686967.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAKCLKtp8cAWsgwrB6-au9jarHR3Ygy8YVR7CHbqC-Q=vDctW6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69B1FDCE-D31B-4C66-9363-2B4E2AF7DD2F@btinternet.com>

Hi Geoff,

When I plug this into my tester the text ends up at the top of the field.

iMac, Yosemite, LC6.7.1

on centreTextVertically tID
	--THIS WORKS
   --   put the effective textSize of fld id tID into tTextSize
   --   put round (((tTextSize - 24) * 1/3)) into tOffset
   --   put the formattedheight of char 1 to - 1 of fld id tID into tFormattedHeight
   --   put round((the height of fld id tID - tFormattedHeight) / 2) into tVerticalMargins
   --   put tVerticalMargins - tOffset into tTopMargin
   --   put tVerticalMargins + tOffset into tBottomMargin
   --   set the margins of fld id tID to 8,tTopMargin,8,tBottomMargin
   
	--THIS WORKS
   --   put the effective textHeight of fld id tID into tTextHeight
   --   put item 2 of the loc of fld id tID into tfieldY
   --   put the formattedRect of line 1 to - 1 of fld id tID into tFormatRect
   --   put item 2 of tFormatRect into tCurrFormatTop
   --   put tfieldY - tCurrFormatTop into tCenterField_To_TopTextDiff
   --   put the number of lines of the formattedtext of fld id tID into tNoOfLines
   --   put (((tNoOfLInes div 2)) * tTextHeight) + (tNoOfLInes mod 2) * (tTextHeight div 2) into tOffset
   --   set the topMargin of fld id tID to the topMargin of fld id tID + tCenterField_To_TopTextDiff - tOffset
   
	--THIS WORKS
   --     put the effective textHeight of fld id tID into tTextHeight
   --     put item 2 of the loc of fld id tID into tfieldY
   --     put the formattedRect of line 1 to - 1 of fld id tID into tFormatRect
   --     put item 4 of tFormatRect - item 2 of tFormatRect into tFormatHeight
   --     put tFormatHeight div 2 into tFormatHalfHeight
   --     put item 2 of tFormatRect into tCurrFormatTop
   --     put tfieldY - tCurrFormatTop into tCenterField_To_TopTextDiff
   --     set the topMargin of fld id tID to the topMargin of fld id tID + tCenterField_To_TopTextDiff - tFormatHalfHeight
   
   --WITH THIS THE TEXT ENDS UP AT THE TOP OF THE FIELD
     put the formattedrect of line 1 to -1 of fld id tID into tFormattedRect
     set the topmargin of fld id tID to (the height of fld id tID - item 4 of tFormattedRect + item 2 of tFormattedRect) div 2
   
   
end centreTextVertically

Don?t know why.


All the best

Terry


> On 20 Dec 2014, at 18:41, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm not seeing a
> way to break my two-line solution? What is the need for a more complex
> solution?



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 20 14:18:35 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:18:35 -0600
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <CAKCLKtp8cAWsgwrB6-au9jarHR3Ygy8YVR7CHbqC-Q=vDctW6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>	<1419028353494-4686967.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAKCLKtp8cAWsgwrB6-au9jarHR3Ygy8YVR7CHbqC-Q=vDctW6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5495CB8B.8030908@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/20/2014, 12:41 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:
> If the formattedRect breaks on mobile, then that's a bug for the LC team,
> but other than that, doesn't my two-line solution work? I'm not seeing a
> way to break my two-line solution? What is the need for a more complex
> solution?

It doesn't quite center correctly, at least not my multi-line wrapped 
field. It may have something to do with the calculations in the 
formatted* commands.

I found that by adding a small number of pixels to the top margin I 
could get it close, which is what Bernd was doing too. I've been trying 
to figure out where the problem is, but like him, I don't see anything 
offhand. I'm pretty sure the engine must either be adding padding to the 
top line, or else not reporting the underhang of the last line, which 
makes the formattedWhatever functions not quite exact.

BTW, I could reduce your calculation to a one-liner by using the 
formattedHeight instead of the formattedRect; it returns the same result 
-- which isn't quite right, but matches what you got.

set the topmargin of fld 1 to the height of fld 1 - the formattedheight 
of line 1 to -1 of fld 1

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 20 14:24:44 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:24:44 -0600
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <5495CB8B.8030908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>	<1419028353494-4686967.post@n4.nabble.com>	<CAKCLKtp8cAWsgwrB6-au9jarHR3Ygy8YVR7CHbqC-Q=vDctW6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5495CB8B.8030908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5495CCFC.2090705@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/20/2014, 1:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I found that by adding a small number of pixels to the top margin I
> could get it close, which is what Bernd was doing too. I've been trying
> to figure out where the problem is, but like him, I don't see anything
> offhand. I'm pretty sure the engine must either be adding padding to the
> top line, or else not reporting the underhang of the last line, which
> makes the formattedWhatever functions not quite exact.

On the theory that the problem isn't at the top but rather at the 
bottom, I calculated the amount of space occupied by the (imaginary) 
line 0 in the field. I think in general 2/3 of the text is placed above 
the baseline and 1/3 of it is placed below that. So the top line would 
be offset by 1/3 the textheight of the (nonexistent) line 0.

This seems to come closer to what we want:

put round(the effective textheight of fld 1 * .66) into tUnderHang
     set the topmargin of fld 1 to (the height of fld 1 - (the 
formattedheight of line 1 to -1 of fld 1) + tUnderHang) div 2

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jiml at netrin.com  Sat Dec 20 15:21:44 2014
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:21:44 -0800
Subject: imagesource referencing remote URLs in LC 7
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1419073201.3103.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1419073201.3103.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <25E613D1-AD16-4401-9135-C9D13189AF3F@netrin.com>

Can anyone confirm that referencing remote URLs with imagesource does NOT work in LC 7.01 GM?

set the imagesource of char 1 of fld 1 to "http://lh5.ggpht.com/anBfhTrAAFthIKI28szbxCEGqNc5-WLTSeHmT0OH-_iwpAwyaJfzzZJW7aTcCYTKP2_zaZ7P?

I?ve filed a bug
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14279

Jim Lambert


From brahma at hindu.org  Sat Dec 20 15:46:01 2014
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:46:01 -1000
Subject: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <5ADE8077-B7CD-493A-8712-BB9CC01B40FC@byu.edu>
References: <5461233B.3070603@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kgWYqq=BTPpQBpPDvgV8iMZ9bSCvstds8G2sBggjPrSKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54664B2B.3060501@cogapp.com>	<546671E4.8070106@hindu.org>
	<54692F12.5070907@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5ki9xb3Rogfq3Mhg1dRG_2RWf=eiumjMyYpX876y7Tumbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<546A6937.7040306@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5khpUH31cvbRwujfptUaf5V7G6pRtU=s_34qTfNVhqmNKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FD43748-66D6-4686-ADB1-06E091D6E930@byu.edu>	<5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<547EAB47.5030907@hindu.org>	<547F1112.30000@cogapp.com>
	<547F66DE.8090508@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5ADE8077-B7CD-493A-8712-BB9CC01B40FC@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <5495E009.3030104@hindu.org>

re: "if" and "switch" folding...

I tried. in the plist I had added this: under the language features 
section/dict

<key>Open Statement Blocks</key>
<string>command</string>
<key>Close Statement Blocks</key>
<string>end</string>
<key>Open Statement Blocks</key>
<string>function</string>
<key>Close Statement Blocks</key>
<string>end</string>
<key>Open Statement Blocks</key>
<string>on</string>
<key>Close Statement Blocks</key>
<string>end</string>
<key>Open Statement Blocks</key>
<string>if</string>
<key>Close Statement Blocks</key>
<string>end</string>
<key>Open Statement Blocks</key>
<string>switch</string>
<key>Close Statement Blocks</key>
<string>end</string>

and, for reasons beyond my ken... command, on, function all work, but 
not if or switch.

I believe there are perhaps issues with white space at the beginning of 
the line, but I haven't found an exact recipe. Someday if I or anyone 
else, gets time, could join the BBEdit community forum and ask questions 
there. Probably missing something simple OR there are limits to what can 
be done in an xml/plist vs a binary language module built in xCode (the 
other option)


BR




Devin Asay wrote:
> Ditto what Jacque said. This is so great to have and makes editing .lc 
> files in BBEdit much nicer!
>
> Ben or Swami, do you know if it?s possible to add folding for repeat 
> loops and if-then structures? It would sure be nice to collapse log, 
> nested if-thens to get a sense of the whole handler or script flow.
>
> Devin



From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 16:13:03 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:13:03 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <129FCEA1-EB29-4A56-8EB3-A94791A53A96@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSErp6P9nKaQT3mcm15FMrzUsCYXp=UZH9mA4iDuNfbtAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<129FCEA1-EB29-4A56-8EB3-A94791A53A96@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSH218a5TD7+mPzF-74Z10pH-R4tr8QTEEWG7Zz=3SkWxg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:57 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> I've been doing all client work in 6.6.5 which I've found to be very
> stable. My client is running what I write in 6.7 without issues. Both of
> these are stable releases and have the feature you need. You might try
> one of those until 7.0 gets sorted out.
>

6.7.1 still has as many random crashes as 7.0.1, it seems.

6.6.5 won't start the mouseEnter handler in the behavior of a stack, and I
can't get *anywhere* without the palette that that launches and moves . . .


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From alex at harryscollar.com  Sat Dec 20 16:29:26 2014
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 07:29:26 +1000
Subject: Forum spam
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH218a5TD7+mPzF-74Z10pH-R4tr8QTEEWG7Zz=3SkWxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>	<54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>	<CANQHZSErp6P9nKaQT3mcm15FMrzUsCYXp=UZH9mA4iDuNfbtAw@mail.gmail.com>	<129FCEA1-EB29-4A56-8EB3-A94791A53A96@hyperactivesw.com>
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Message-ID: <5495EA36.3030701@harryscollar.com>

Hi

Just received forum spam!

You have received a new private message from "Michaelrork" to your account
on "LiveCode Forums" with the following subject:

I looking for XRumer 12.0.9 with discount !

Based on what I read on the wikipedia entry on 'XRumer' the moderators 
may want to get onto this.

regards
alex



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Dec 20 16:47:53 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:47:53 -0800
Subject: Forum spam
Message-ID: <c954d9d249e4203584059fbd829784e9@fourthworld.com>

Alex Shaw wrote:

> Just received forum spam!
> 
> You have received a new private message from "Michaelrork" to your 
> account
> on "LiveCode Forums" with the following subject:
> 
> I looking for XRumer 12.0.9 with discount !
> 
> Based on what I read on the wikipedia entry on 'XRumer' the moderators
> may want to get onto this.

Any account holder can turn off PMs for their account.

I and the other mods remove spam in the forum whenever we find it (nixed 
two accounts just today), but we can't access your PMs.

In recent months the number of spambots has dropped significantly, but 
if this becomes any sort of rampant problem we can review the 
possibility of shutting down the PM system altogether.  We re-opened it 
by user request, though, so I'd be reluctant to do this unless it were 
absolutely necessary.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at livecode.org




From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sat Dec 20 16:41:10 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 13:41:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH218a5TD7+mPzF-74Z10pH-R4tr8QTEEWG7Zz=3SkWxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSErp6P9nKaQT3mcm15FMrzUsCYXp=UZH9mA4iDuNfbtAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<129FCEA1-EB29-4A56-8EB3-A94791A53A96@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSH218a5TD7+mPzF-74Z10pH-R4tr8QTEEWG7Zz=3SkWxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1419111670995-4686993.post@n4.nabble.com>

Richard - obviously it's a matter of YMMV as each of us are developing our
own different stacks

but/and/therefore

can you make some bug reports?

Kind regards

Dave



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 20 16:53:15 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:53:15 -0600
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSH218a5TD7+mPzF-74Z10pH-R4tr8QTEEWG7Zz=3SkWxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>	<54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>	<CANQHZSErp6P9nKaQT3mcm15FMrzUsCYXp=UZH9mA4iDuNfbtAw@mail.gmail.com>	<129FCEA1-EB29-4A56-8EB3-A94791A53A96@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSH218a5TD7+mPzF-74Z10pH-R4tr8QTEEWG7Zz=3SkWxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5495EFCB.7010109@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/20/2014, 3:13 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> 6.6.5 won't start the mouseEnter handler in the behavior of a stack, and I
> can't get*anywhere*  without the palette that that launches and moves . . .

I have a commercial app that uses behaviors extensively which often rely 
on a mouseEnter. It was developed and built with 6.6.5 and I didn't have 
any issues with it. It's working fine for the customers too.

Something else must be going on in your case, I think. It works here, 
and 6.6.5 has been very stable for me.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Dec 20 17:06:58 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:06:58 -0800
Subject: Time for another LiveCode Global =?UTF-8?Q?Jam=3F?=
Message-ID: <47b6dc3db233607c0a9af917a9fd8b8d@fourthworld.com>

Peter W A Wood wrote:

> It may be just me but I have noticed two themes growing on the mailing
> lists. The first is the expression of dissatisfaction with the quality
> of LiveCode 7 mainly from people who have a commercial licence (or
> subscription). The second is the number of people who are reluctant to
> move anything which needs to be relied upon to LiveCode 7 especially
> those whose livelihood (or part of it) is dependent on LiveCode. Both
> are completely understandable.
> 
> I see this as quite a chicken and egg situation, people didn?t have the
> time to test LiveCode 7 pre-releases. Now when they give LiveCode 7 a
> try, they come across issues that have a serious effect on them. This
> is turn makes them more reluctant to do further testing and hence
> further delays there intention to move to LiveCode 7.
> 
> Whilst I have no doubt that RunRev?s own testing could be much improved
> and it would be worth their investment of more time into testing, the
> reality seems to be that at this time they are relying on bug reports
> to improve the product quality.
> 
> Personally, I want to see LiveCode progress and, galling though it may
> seem to some, would prefer to put a little effort in to finding bugs
> rather than sit and wait.

> Perhaps you would consider requesting that RunRev organise another 
> Global
> Jam event where the community reports bug and the RunRev team fixes 
> them.
> It might help to built a little more momentum in moving LiveCode 
> forward.

Community testing is of course an important component of the QA process, 
and I'd be happy to help organize another Global Jam focused on testing 
in addition to the ones we're planning for education outreach and other 
focus areas.

While the past testing sprint during the Jam was enormously helpful and 
kinda fun, there's nothing stopping anyone from continuing to test on 
their own.

Many of us do, and those who don't test in v7 seem unlikely to do so 
whether part of a Global Jam or otherwise.

So I'm all for another test-focused Jam, and perhaps after we start the 
new year we can get that ball rolling - Peter, if you have time/interest 
in helping to organize it drop me an email.

In the meantime, I think some of the disappointment stems from differing 
expectations about what "RC" means.

Overall I feel it's fair to say the team is doing a pretty good job at 
addressing show-stoppers as they come in.  But sometimes the less 
critical issues can also be important for many projects, so it may be 
useful for them to consider lowering the threshold for what's considered 
"critical" when moving from DP to RC, to make sure the RCs have the fit 
and finish we need to deploy high-quality apps.

One thing that would be helpful is for me to get a list of critical 
outstanding issues in v7 that are not present in earlier versions; in 
essence, the things that prevent you from moving from 6.x to 7.0.1.

Feel free to email those bug links to me (sorry to sound picky, but if 
you can include the full URL it's MUCH more helpful for me than just the 
bug number), and please try to exercise some restraint over what you 
consider critical.

For example, I had a friend submit such a list to me that included a 
number of non-critical bugs with simple workarounds readily available, 
and even new feature requests never present in any version of LC, 
requiring me to sift through the list to try to discern true 
regressions.

But if any of you have such outstanding regression issues in the RQCC, 
please feel free to send those links to me at the address below and I'll 
see what I can do to help coordinate resolution.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  LiveCode Community Manager
  richard at livecode.org




From paul at researchware.com  Sat Dec 20 17:12:25 2014
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:12:25 -0500
Subject: AW: Re: Scaling images and printing...
In-Reply-To: <54935884.7000303@researchware.com>
References: <54935884.7000303@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <5495F449.1010101@researchware.com>

Thank you all for the tips. Setting the lockLoc to true for each image
before printing (and back to false after so the user may move the
objects as they need to) solved my issue.



From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Dec 20 18:11:08 2014
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:11:08 -0800
Subject: Android and iOS
Message-ID: <4F312B33-9E24-4546-9A3E-B6FDF62C1A64@pacifier.com>

What is the earliest version of Revolution and LiveCode
that provided the ability to build a standalone for the iOS
and Android?  What is the earliest version that works on
todays Android and iOS?

Are there known compatibility issues that I should try to
avoid while programming the desktop versions so I will
be able to build the Android and iOS standalone without
having problems?

I do not currently have a mobile device for testing so any
related info I need to consider is appreciated.

John Balgenorth



From paul at researchware.com  Sat Dec 20 18:42:50 2014
From: paul at researchware.com (Paul Dupuis)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 18:42:50 -0500
Subject: Android and iOS
In-Reply-To: <4F312B33-9E24-4546-9A3E-B6FDF62C1A64@pacifier.com>
References: <4F312B33-9E24-4546-9A3E-B6FDF62C1A64@pacifier.com>
Message-ID: <5496097A.9020001@researchware.com>

On 12/20/2014 6:11 PM, JB wrote:
> What is the earliest version of Revolution and LiveCode
> that provided the ability to build a standalone for the iOS
> and Android?  What is the earliest version that works on
> todays Android and iOS?

LiveCode 4.6.x (4.6.4 was the last version in the 4.6 series) added
Android support (LC 4.5.x only had iOS)

> Are there known compatibility issues that I should try to
> avoid while programming the desktop versions so I will
> be able to build the Android and iOS standalone without
> having problems?

I believe you need to be at 6.7.x to be able to build for the latest iOS
(and Android)




From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Sat Dec 20 18:49:03 2014
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaadh Salih)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 23:49:03 +0000
Subject: LiveCode 7.0.1
Message-ID: <CAN8cKhRboJ1pVf--KreTY44bfN-t02a-zdqwvHipCjrvbWp8YQ@mail.gmail.com>

The downloaded "stable"  LiveCode 7.0.1 installer seems to be corrupt as it
gives :
"not a windows 32 application"  error even after three attempts to download
.
This did not happen in any previous releases.
Hopefully it will be fixed before the release of 7.02 !


From sundown at pacifier.com  Sat Dec 20 18:49:39 2014
From: sundown at pacifier.com (JB)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:49:39 -0800
Subject: Android and iOS
In-Reply-To: <5496097A.9020001@researchware.com>
References: <4F312B33-9E24-4546-9A3E-B6FDF62C1A64@pacifier.com>
	<5496097A.9020001@researchware.com>
Message-ID: <3D82BA2E-DD53-4E83-9A6D-E73F2E950AAD@pacifier.com>

Thanks for the reply and info!

I suspected the earlier versions
would not work with the latest
mobile devices but wash?t sure.
That will certainly save me some
time knowing where to start.

John Balgenorth


On Dec 20, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Paul Dupuis <paul at researchware.com> wrote:

> On 12/20/2014 6:11 PM, JB wrote:
>> What is the earliest version of Revolution and LiveCode
>> that provided the ability to build a standalone for the iOS
>> and Android?  What is the earliest version that works on
>> todays Android and iOS?
> 
> LiveCode 4.6.x (4.6.4 was the last version in the 4.6 series) added
> Android support (LC 4.5.x only had iOS)
> 
>> Are there known compatibility issues that I should try to
>> avoid while programming the desktop versions so I will
>> be able to build the Android and iOS standalone without
>> having problems?
> 
> I believe you need to be at 6.7.x to be able to build for the latest iOS
> (and Android)
> 
> 
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 18:52:25 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:52:25 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <1419111670995-4686993.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSErp6P9nKaQT3mcm15FMrzUsCYXp=UZH9mA4iDuNfbtAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<129FCEA1-EB29-4A56-8EB3-A94791A53A96@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSH218a5TD7+mPzF-74Z10pH-R4tr8QTEEWG7Zz=3SkWxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1419111670995-4686993.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEUGeXd05VTkkGndF+h9SwSA+i3V6sZa9A4aAChMX-PyQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
wrote:

> can you make some bug reports?
>
>
>
I'm making them as I figure out enough to be coherent :)





-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 18:53:08 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:53:08 -0800
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <5495EFCB.7010109@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSErp6P9nKaQT3mcm15FMrzUsCYXp=UZH9mA4iDuNfbtAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<129FCEA1-EB29-4A56-8EB3-A94791A53A96@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSH218a5TD7+mPzF-74Z10pH-R4tr8QTEEWG7Zz=3SkWxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5495EFCB.7010109@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSGXpyZQwQJyPF_B23VQsLsKZT09Ebzt0vjYfdkKkxb0oA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 1:53 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> I have a commercial app that uses behaviors extensively which often rely
> on a mouseEnter. It was developed and built with 6.6.5 and I didn't have
> any issues with it. It's working fine for the customers too.
>

mouseEnter works in other parts of that stack, but even after resetting the
behavior, the handler is never reached.  It works fine in 6.7 and 7.0.


> Something else must be going on in your case, I think. It works here, and
> 6.6.5 has been very stable for me.
>

Probably something else, but I'm not going to spend a a bunch of time to
move the stack backwards from 7 to 6.5 if I already now there is a
different dragon looking for me in that sea :)


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 18:59:30 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:59:30 -0800
Subject: Vertically aligning text in a field
In-Reply-To: <5495CCFC.2090705@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <6B60EDE9-A3F0-4DF9-8558-D56A2EE9CDF4@btinternet.com>
	<1419010343856-4686954.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<FE464E8B-22F1-4329-A170-0D3328DD22DF@btinternet.com>
	<CAKCLKtpV_oTCmU8ZxOD9DwpQkiR=tFOdp1j3iog0C0tYxeSDcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1419028353494-4686967.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<CAKCLKtp8cAWsgwrB6-au9jarHR3Ygy8YVR7CHbqC-Q=vDctW6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5495CB8B.8030908@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5495CCFC.2090705@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtoes4+DKY8+cw6jFQ0ezv37nzqDkcWo0gvM-d7Z146Y6A@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure what's up with the offset that seems constant and inherent, but
this corrects for it. It does nothing about the apparent offset caused by
the difference between the textheight and and textsize of the first line,
because if the size varies, the textsize returns "mixed." In any case, this
works for me to a reasonable degree of accuracy:

   set the topmargin of fld 1 to (8 + the height of fld 1 - the
formattedheight of line 1 to -1 of fld 1) div 2

Here's a demo stack that shows what this does. Each time you click the Test
button the text changes, then vertically aligns, then puts in two
equal-height boxes above and below to show the results.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41182876/vertical%20text%20demo.livecode

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 12/20/2014, 1:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>  I found that by adding a small number of pixels to the top margin I
>> could get it close, which is what Bernd was doing too. I've been trying
>> to figure out where the problem is, but like him, I don't see anything
>> offhand. I'm pretty sure the engine must either be adding padding to the
>> top line, or else not reporting the underhang of the last line, which
>> makes the formattedWhatever functions not quite exact.
>>
>
> On the theory that the problem isn't at the top but rather at the bottom,
> I calculated the amount of space occupied by the (imaginary) line 0 in the
> field. I think in general 2/3 of the text is placed above the baseline and
> 1/3 of it is placed below that. So the top line would be offset by 1/3 the
> textheight of the (nonexistent) line 0.
>
> This seems to come closer to what we want:
>
> put round(the effective textheight of fld 1 * .66) into tUnderHang
>     set the topmargin of fld 1 to (the height of fld 1 - (the
> formattedheight of line 1 to -1 of fld 1) + tUnderHang) div 2
>
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From brahma at hindu.org  Sat Dec 20 20:06:07 2014
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 15:06:07 -1000
Subject: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <5ADE8077-B7CD-493A-8712-BB9CC01B40FC@byu.edu>
References: <5461233B.3070603@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kgWYqq=BTPpQBpPDvgV8iMZ9bSCvstds8G2sBggjPrSKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54664B2B.3060501@cogapp.com>	<546671E4.8070106@hindu.org>
	<54692F12.5070907@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5ki9xb3Rogfq3Mhg1dRG_2RWf=eiumjMyYpX876y7Tumbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<546A6937.7040306@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5khpUH31cvbRwujfptUaf5V7G6pRtU=s_34qTfNVhqmNKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FD43748-66D6-4686-ADB1-06E091D6E930@byu.edu>	<5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<547EAB47.5030907@hindu.org>	<547F1112.30000@cogapp.com>
	<547F66DE.8090508@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5ADE8077-B7CD-493A-8712-BB9CC01B40FC@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <54961CFF.4040504@hindu.org>

re: "if" and "switch" folding...

I tried.  in the plist I had added this: under the language features 
section/dict

<key>Open Statement Blocks</key>
<string>command</string>
<key>Close Statement Blocks</key>
<string>end</string>
<key>Open Statement Blocks</key>
<string>function</string>
<key>Close Statement Blocks</key>
<string>end</string>
<key>Open Statement Blocks</key>
<string>on</string>
<key>Close Statement Blocks</key>
<string>end</string>
<key>Open Statement Blocks</key>
<string>if</string>
<key>Close Statement Blocks</key>
<string>end</string>
<key>Open Statement Blocks</key>
<string>switch</string>
<key>Close Statement Blocks</key>
<string>end</string>

and, for reasons beyond my ken... command, on, function all work, but 
not if or switch.

I believe there are perhaps issues with white space at the beginning of 
the line, but I haven't found an exact recipe. Someday if I or anyone 
else, gets time, could join the BBEdit community forum and ask questions 
there. Probably missing something simple OR there are limits to what can 
be done in an xml/plist vs a binary language module built in 
xCode (the other option)


BR




Devin Asay wrote:
> Ditto what Jacque said. This is so great to have and makes editing .lc 
> files in BBEdit much nicer!
>
> Ben or Swami, do you know if it?s possible to add folding for repeat 
> loops and if-then structures? It would sure be nice to collapse log, 
> nested if-thens to get a sense of the whole handler or script flow.
>
> Devin



From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sun Dec 21 04:33:50 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 01:33:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 7.0.1-RC4 crashing regularly
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSGXpyZQwQJyPF_B23VQsLsKZT09Ebzt0vjYfdkKkxb0oA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSHZRgQw2cOWSfgCZ+Jg1vJMDzEk3Q8qVs_13NsqiC4-sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSEXW8+URC4OQtPi13XNKiTm3+ZEpPhEkMh5F2_7+figQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54914C6F.1050007@gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSErp6P9nKaQT3mcm15FMrzUsCYXp=UZH9mA4iDuNfbtAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<129FCEA1-EB29-4A56-8EB3-A94791A53A96@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSH218a5TD7+mPzF-74Z10pH-R4tr8QTEEWG7Zz=3SkWxg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5495EFCB.7010109@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSGXpyZQwQJyPF_B23VQsLsKZT09Ebzt0vjYfdkKkxb0oA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1419154430619-4687005.post@n4.nabble.com>

Richard I like your 'different dragon looking for me in that sea' remark very
much :)

It exactly describes my decision to migrate to LC 7 and deal with just the
dragons in that sea rather than deal with two sets of dragons - never mind
dealing with extra legions of mutated dragons created when saving a stack in
5.5 format while in LC 7...

I just read back what I wrote, it makes perfect sense to me - hope it's not
gibberish to the rest of you...

Dave



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From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sun Dec 21 04:39:53 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 01:39:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: LiveCode 7.0.1
In-Reply-To: <CAN8cKhRboJ1pVf--KreTY44bfN-t02a-zdqwvHipCjrvbWp8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN8cKhRboJ1pVf--KreTY44bfN-t02a-zdqwvHipCjrvbWp8YQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1419154793455-4687006.post@n4.nabble.com>

Muaadh

A couple of times over the years when I've tried to update from inside the
IDE (either via the 'check for updates' or else if it checks on it's own) a
bad install has followed - in which case I download directly from
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

Dave



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From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Sun Dec 21 10:13:48 2014
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaadh Salih)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:13:48 +0000
Subject: LiveCode 7.0.1
Message-ID: <CAN8cKhTvY+8gqyDjVF9gevDyjkXjpXNVvTh7AWOxa+Zcdiy7SQ@mail.gmail.com>

hsnks for your reply
 *I did download from  *http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
hich produced the error .
I might try IDE update and see .

best

From: Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com>
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Cc:
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 01:39:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: LiveCode 7.0.1
Muaadh

A couple of times over the years when I've tried to update from inside the
IDE (either via the 'check for updates' or else if it checks on it's own) a
bad install has followed - in which case I download directly from
http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/


From ms1 at soas.ac.uk  Sun Dec 21 10:18:12 2014
From: ms1 at soas.ac.uk (Muaadh Salih)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:18:12 +0000
Subject: LiveCode 7.0.1
Message-ID: <CAN8cKhR8UOEoYoUt1bkKuG1GMzST9-dOe7jJtmsS3ycmGjfw8w@mail.gmail.com>

?Just tried update from IDE
The message was : "No update available "
 best ?


From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sun Dec 21 11:15:27 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 08:15:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: LiveCode 7.0.1
In-Reply-To: <CAN8cKhR8UOEoYoUt1bkKuG1GMzST9-dOe7jJtmsS3ycmGjfw8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN8cKhR8UOEoYoUt1bkKuG1GMzST9-dOe7jJtmsS3ycmGjfw8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1419178527955-4687009.post@n4.nabble.com>

Hi Muaadh

How big is the file you download? Downloading the Windows installer to my
mac reports a file size of 150.6MB. Also, does the installer file you end up
with have an extension? If not what happens if you add ".exe" to the end of
it?

If the above don't work I can only suggest one or all of the following:
- uninstall your most recent version of LiveCode and try again
- check your anti-virus settings
- go to somewhere where you will be downloading from a different internet
connection
- contact RunRev (they're usually very helpful)...

The following is an extract from the 7.0.1 Release Notes: 

"If you find that the installer fails to work for you then please file a bug
report in the RQCC or email support at runrev.com so we can look into the
problem. In the case of failed install it is vitally important that you
include the following information:

- Your platform and operating system version
- The location of your home/user folder
- The type of user account you are using (guest, restricted, admin etc.)
- The installer log file located as follows:
- Windows 2000/XP: <documents and settings folder>/<user>/Local Settings/
??????????- Windows Vista/7: <users folder>/<user>/AppData/Local/RunRev/Logs
Linux: <home>/.runrev/logs
- Mac: <home>/Library/Application Support/Logs/RunRev"

Good luck!

Dave




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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 12:44:22 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 19:44:22 +0200
Subject: Develop a better knob
Message-ID: <549706F6.8050305@gmail.com>

Inspired by both messing around with the synthesizer emulator for Linux 
[ monobristol ] and those
lovely people who send me thought-provoking e-mails to my spam-box I 
wondered how one would
go about making a virtual rotary knob (like the one on the front of my 
gramophone):

http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22411

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 12:51:18 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 19:51:18 +0200
Subject: Politically correct . . .
Message-ID: <54970896.3020909@gmail.com>

on midDecember

switch theCustomerCelebrates

blah, blah, blah

------------------------------

Let's see:

1. excluded winter festivals: Pancha Ganapati, Kwanzaa, Yule.

2. "midDecember", well Pancha Ganapati starts today (21st) and Christmas 
is on the 25th.

3. "theCustomerCelebrates"; I wonder where the more politically OK term 
"theCommunityMemberCelebrates" went.

------------------------------

As the late lamented Irish comedian used to say; "May your God go with you."

Best to one and all for THIS TIME OF YEAR [specially crafted bland, 
fairly meaningless phrase guaranteed not to
put anybody's back up].

Richmond.



From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Dec 21 13:07:11 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (EED-wp Email)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 08:07:11 -1000
Subject: Politically correct . . .
In-Reply-To: <54970896.3020909@gmail.com>
References: <54970896.3020909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C59EF51-71F1-4D4C-94BC-6D32384AEBCE@earthednet.org>

Richmond and all,
The one I like, in this case is: "Seasons Greetings" which is kind of a generic "Hello". Anyway, I send my thanks to all who have helped me with my LC project and best wishes for health, happiness, and success for the Mew Year and beyond. Not to mention "inner peas" for all vegetarians.

Bill Prothero

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Dec 21, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> on midDecember
> 
> switch theCustomerCelebrates
> 
> blah, blah, blah
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Let's see:
> 
> 1. excluded winter festivals: Pancha Ganapati, Kwanzaa, Yule.
> 
> 2. "midDecember", well Pancha Ganapati starts today (21st) and Christmas is on the 25th.
> 
> 3. "theCustomerCelebrates"; I wonder where the more politically OK term "theCommunityMemberCelebrates" went.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> As the late lamented Irish comedian used to say; "May your God go with you."
> 
> Best to one and all for THIS TIME OF YEAR [specially crafted bland, fairly meaningless phrase guaranteed not to
> put anybody's back up].
> 
> Richmond.
> 
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 14:11:31 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 14:11:31 -0500
Subject: Politically correct . . .
In-Reply-To: <3C59EF51-71F1-4D4C-94BC-6D32384AEBCE@earthednet.org>
References: <54970896.3020909@gmail.com>
	<3C59EF51-71F1-4D4C-94BC-6D32384AEBCE@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <5BA65A1C-7F24-4EA2-88E5-2BC6EB775CB1@gmail.com>

On Dec 21, 2014, at 1:07 PM, EED-wp Email wrote:

> Richmond and all,
> The one I like, in this case is: "Seasons Greetings" which is kind of a generic "Hello". Anyway, I send my thanks to all who have helped me with my LC project and best wishes for health, happiness, and success for the Mew Year and beyond. Not to mention "inner peas" for all vegetarians.

Bumper sticker:

Visualize whirled peas!

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sun Dec 21 15:33:25 2014
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:33:25 +0000
Subject: Politically correct . . .
In-Reply-To: <54970896.3020909@gmail.com>
References: <54970896.3020909@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6BB9BA5-7CB1-44E9-98E0-5FFE654DDC4D@lacscentre.co.uk>

You too, Richmond

Remember to do what you?re told, for as that same Irish comedian use to warn us, if you don?t, they might nail you up on that fekking 
great cross.

They still play this one on the BBC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwHyuraau4Q <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwHyuraau4Q>

Cheers

Dave Cragg




From dave at applicationinsight.com  Sun Dec 21 15:48:41 2014
From: dave at applicationinsight.com (Dave Kilroy)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 12:48:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Politically correct . . .
In-Reply-To: <D6BB9BA5-7CB1-44E9-98E0-5FFE654DDC4D@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <54970896.3020909@gmail.com>
	<D6BB9BA5-7CB1-44E9-98E0-5FFE654DDC4D@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1419194921568-4687015.post@n4.nabble.com>

Yes he was a wonderful man - Merry Christmas everyone, especially you Jesus!

"Thank you, good night, and may your god go with you"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIGE5034WM



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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 16:13:01 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:13:01 +0200
Subject: Politically correct . . .
In-Reply-To: <D6BB9BA5-7CB1-44E9-98E0-5FFE654DDC4D@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <54970896.3020909@gmail.com>
	<D6BB9BA5-7CB1-44E9-98E0-5FFE654DDC4D@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <549737DD.6000103@gmail.com>

On 21/12/14 22:33, Dave Cragg wrote:
> You too, Richmond
>
> Remember to do what you?re told, for as that same Irish comedian use to warn us, if you don?t, they might nail you up on that fekking
> great cross.
>
> They still play this one on the BBC.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwHyuraau4Q <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwHyuraau4Q>
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave Cragg
>
>
>

I mean David Tynan O'Mahony, a.k.a Dave Allen.

Richmond.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 16:17:29 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 23:17:29 +0200
Subject: Politically correct . . .
In-Reply-To: <1419194921568-4687015.post@n4.nabble.com>
References: <54970896.3020909@gmail.com>	<D6BB9BA5-7CB1-44E9-98E0-5FFE654DDC4D@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<1419194921568-4687015.post@n4.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <549738E9.90900@gmail.com>

On 21/12/14 22:48, Dave Kilroy wrote:
> Yes he was a wonderful man - Merry Christmas everyone, especially you Jesus!
>
> "Thank you, good night, and may your god go with you"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnIGE5034WM
>
>
>

Spot on!

Dave Allen is probably "up there" keeping all the manifestations of God 
in stitches
right now!

Richmond.



From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Dec 21 16:22:48 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 13:22:48 -0800
Subject: Editing datagrid cells
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMZfcPk5OqAnYx6M7C5LUmvpLCN45WVMzkKvfeREjLROA@mail.gmail.com>

Got a number of questions for the datagrid experts out there, all related
to the editing of datagrid cells.

How can I implement a contextual menu when the user right clicks on a cell
that is being edited?  I tried using a mouseDown handler in a custom column
handler but it doesn't seem to fire when the edit field is clicked.

Tab and escape are ways of getting out of edit mode. If escape/tab have not
been pressed to register the edit, the underlying datagrid data won;t have
been updated so how can I get hold of the contents of the edit field for a
cell if the user has not pressed escape or tab?

Probably the root of the above questions but how can I get hold of the id
of the field created by the datagrid to edit a cell?

The datagrid library isn't happy if I send an EditCelll message to a cell
that has been customized to contain, for example, an option menu. By "not
happy", I mean that any instructions in the handler after dispatching the
EditCell message are skipped.  I guess I should file a QCC report for that
but in the meantime, how can I find the first column in the selected line
that has not been customized to contain something other than straight text?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sun Dec 21 16:33:48 2014
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 21:33:48 +0000
Subject: Politically correct . . .
In-Reply-To: <549737DD.6000103@gmail.com>
References: <54970896.3020909@gmail.com>
	<D6BB9BA5-7CB1-44E9-98E0-5FFE654DDC4D@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<549737DD.6000103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F2C6EDA5-BD52-4A2F-9A0F-DBA7800C7EC6@lacscentre.co.uk>

> I mean David Tynan O'Mahony, a.k.a Dave Allen.
> 

I know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxo81Ok9Urk




From bornstein at designeq.com  Sun Dec 21 18:12:05 2014
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:12:05 -0800
Subject: Forum spam
In-Reply-To: <c954d9d249e4203584059fbd829784e9@fourthworld.com>
References: <c954d9d249e4203584059fbd829784e9@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtTGYfMcYyQnqkbWFRcHAsAqwjv3cSrXNgf_Zn0y1bkC2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I also received the same spam, although mine was from michaelrock. I
forwarded it to Heather. Don't you have to be a registered user to be able
to send PMs to another member? He was not listed in the member list today,
so I don't know whether Heather removed him or there is another way
non-members can send PMs.



On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:
>
> Alex Shaw wrote:
>
>  Just received forum spam!
>>
>> You have received a new private message from "Michaelrork" to your account
>> on "LiveCode Forums" with the following subject:
>>
>> I looking for XRumer 12.0.9 with discount !
>>
>> Based on what I read on the wikipedia entry on 'XRumer' the moderators
>> may want to get onto this.
>>
>
> Any account holder can turn off PMs for their account.
>
> I and the other mods remove spam in the forum whenever we find it (nixed
> two accounts just today), but we can't access your PMs.
>
> In recent months the number of spambots has dropped significantly, but if
> this becomes any sort of rampant problem we can review the possibility of
> shutting down the PM system altogether.  We re-opened it by user request,
> though, so I'd be reluctant to do this unless it were absolutely necessary.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  LiveCode Community Manager
>  richard at livecode.org
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Dec 21 19:33:37 2014
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus major-k)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 01:33:37 +0100
Subject: Forum spam
In-Reply-To: <CAOpWwtTGYfMcYyQnqkbWFRcHAsAqwjv3cSrXNgf_Zn0y1bkC2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c954d9d249e4203584059fbd829784e9@fourthworld.com>
	<CAOpWwtTGYfMcYyQnqkbWFRcHAsAqwjv3cSrXNgf_Zn0y1bkC2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2B2F9AE-BF9E-40B5-92F5-56B07B1C4BF3@major-k.de>

Hi Howard,

> Am 22.12.2014 um 00:12 schrieb Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>:
> 
> I also received the same spam, although mine was from michaelrock. I
> forwarded it to Heather. Don't you have to be a registered user to be able
> to send PMs to another member? He was not listed in the member list today,
> so I don't know whether Heather removed him

I did :-)

> or there is another way non-members can send PMs.

Sorry, no idea, but I have an eye on the forum!


Best

Klaus

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http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major-k.de




From revolution at derbrill.de  Mon Dec 22 04:58:48 2014
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:58:48 +0100
Subject: How to debug exit on Signal 11 on Linux
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1415098801.4873.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1415098801.4873.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9816701D-AD40-4754-B8AE-B80DA5894953@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

does somebody know how I can provide a useful log for an exit on Signal 11 under Linux for a livecode app?

Thanks,

Malte




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Dec 22 06:28:01 2014
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:28:01 +0000
Subject: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <54961CFF.4040504@hindu.org>
References: <5461233B.3070603@hindu.org>	<CA+uh5kgWYqq=BTPpQBpPDvgV8iMZ9bSCvstds8G2sBggjPrSKg@mail.gmail.com>	<54664B2B.3060501@cogapp.com>	<546671E4.8070106@hindu.org>	<54692F12.5070907@cogapp.com>	<CA+uh5ki9xb3Rogfq3Mhg1dRG_2RWf=eiumjMyYpX876y7Tumbg@mail.gmail.com>	<546A6937.7040306@cogapp.com>	<CA+uh5khpUH31cvbRwujfptUaf5V7G6pRtU=s_34qTfNVhqmNKw@mail.gmail.com>	<9FD43748-66D6-4686-ADB1-06E091D6E930@byu.edu>	<5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>	<CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>	<547EAB47.5030907@hindu.org>	<547F1112.30000@cogapp.com>	<547F66DE.8090508@hyperactivesw.com>	<5ADE8077-B7CD-493A-8712-BB9CC01B40FC@byu.edu>
	<54961CFF.4040504@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <54980041.9060307@cogapp.com>

It's not possible, I'm afraid.

This is a "Codeless Language Module", which works by just declaring keywords 
and grep patterns.  It's limited in what it can achieve; and in particular the 
structural elements only work for languages which have a single block 
delimiter.  Documentation:
> Many languages group statements by enclosing them in block delimiters ? { ? } in C-family languages, or BEGIN ? END in Pascal. These keys specify the opening and closing tokens for such blocks. BBEdit detects blocks (even nested ones) and makes it possible to fold them.

Unfortunately as LiveCode isn't one of those languages, it's not possible.

A long time ago someone-who-I-have-forgotten wrote a full-on Language Module 
for Revolution (as it then was) - since it was custom coded with a full parser 
it could do anything.  Unfortunately several versions of BBEdit ago there was 
an incompatibility which meant that BBEdit crashed as soon as you made a 
change to a file which this module was applied to; and the latest version of 
BBEdit won't load it at all.

It would still be possible for someone to repeat this task (and arguably since 
we now have access to the source code of the actual LiveCode parser there 
might be a place to start) - but I suspect that now that BB have introduced 
the Codeless Language Modules, its unlikely anyone will feel the the small 
extra gain is worth the very considerable extra effort.

Ben


On 21/12/2014 01:06, Brahmanathaswami wrote:
> re: "if" and "switch" folding...
>
> I tried.  in the plist I had added this: under the language features section/dict
>
> Devin Asay wrote:
>> Ben or Swami, do you know if it?s possible to add folding for repeat loops
>> and if-then structures? It would sure be nice to collapse log, nested
>> if-thens to get a sense of the whole handler or script flow.




From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Mon Dec 22 11:05:37 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:05:37 -0000
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager video
Message-ID: <00b801d01e01$2181f530$6485df90$@FlexibleLearning.com>

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 22 11:56:52 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 10:56:52 -0600
Subject: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <54980041.9060307@cogapp.com>
References: <5461233B.3070603@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kgWYqq=BTPpQBpPDvgV8iMZ9bSCvstds8G2sBggjPrSKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<54664B2B.3060501@cogapp.com> <546671E4.8070106@hindu.org>
	<54692F12.5070907@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5ki9xb3Rogfq3Mhg1dRG_2RWf=eiumjMyYpX876y7Tumbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<546A6937.7040306@cogapp.com>
	<CA+uh5khpUH31cvbRwujfptUaf5V7G6pRtU=s_34qTfNVhqmNKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FD43748-66D6-4686-ADB1-06E091D6E930@byu.edu>
	<5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>
	<CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<547EAB47.5030907@hindu.org> <547F1112.30000@cogapp.com>
	<547F66DE.8090508@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5ADE8077-B7CD-493A-8712-BB9CC01B40FC@byu.edu>
	<54961CFF.4040504@hindu.org> <54980041.9060307@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <F9D45986-0BFA-4EFA-AEF6-7AE174E4087F@hyperactivesw.com>

Wouldn't "if" and "end if" be a code block delimiter? And the same for "switch" and "end switch"? 

On December 22, 2014 5:28:01 AM CST, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:
>It's not possible, I'm afraid.
>
>This is a "Codeless Language Module", which works by just declaring
>keywords 
>and grep patterns.  It's limited in what it can achieve; and in
>particular the 
>structural elements only work for languages which have a single block 
>delimiter.  Documentation:
>> Many languages group statements by enclosing them in block delimiters
>? { ? } in C-family languages, or BEGIN ? END in Pascal. These keys
>specify the opening and closing tokens for such blocks. BBEdit detects
>blocks (even nested ones) and makes it possible to fold them.
>
>Unfortunately as LiveCode isn't one of those languages, it's not
>possible.
>
>A long time ago someone-who-I-have-forgotten wrote a full-on Language
>Module 
>for Revolution (as it then was) - since it was custom coded with a full
>parser 
>it could do anything.  Unfortunately several versions of BBEdit ago
>there was 
>an incompatibility which meant that BBEdit crashed as soon as you made
>a 
>change to a file which this module was applied to; and the latest
>version of 
>BBEdit won't load it at all.
>
>It would still be possible for someone to repeat this task (and
>arguably since 
>we now have access to the source code of the actual LiveCode parser
>there 
>might be a place to start) - but I suspect that now that BB have
>introduced 
>the Codeless Language Modules, its unlikely anyone will feel the the
>small 
>extra gain is worth the very considerable extra effort.
>
>Ben
>
>
>On 21/12/2014 01:06, Brahmanathaswami wrote:
>> re: "if" and "switch" folding...
>>
>> I tried.  in the plist I had added this: under the language features
>section/dict
>>
>> Devin Asay wrote:
>>> Ben or Swami, do you know if it?s possible to add folding for repeat
>loops
>>> and if-then structures? It would sure be nice to collapse log,
>nested
>>> if-thens to get a sense of the whole handler or script flow.
>
>
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Dec 22 12:23:06 2014
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:23:06 +0000
Subject: BBEdit Language Module for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <F9D45986-0BFA-4EFA-AEF6-7AE174E4087F@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5461233B.3070603@hindu.org>	<CA+uh5kgWYqq=BTPpQBpPDvgV8iMZ9bSCvstds8G2sBggjPrSKg@mail.gmail.com>	<54664B2B.3060501@cogapp.com>
	<546671E4.8070106@hindu.org>	<54692F12.5070907@cogapp.com>	<CA+uh5ki9xb3Rogfq3Mhg1dRG_2RWf=eiumjMyYpX876y7Tumbg@mail.gmail.com>	<546A6937.7040306@cogapp.com>	<CA+uh5khpUH31cvbRwujfptUaf5V7G6pRtU=s_34qTfNVhqmNKw@mail.gmail.com>	<9FD43748-66D6-4686-ADB1-06E091D6E930@byu.edu>	<5474EBEC.3020508@hindu.org>	<CA+uh5kjk71AfGCQgCdjqm0j+pWP47waLF=4dv=ikS4a+Bkk6CQ@mail.gmail.com>	<547EAB47.5030907@hindu.org>
	<547F1112.30000@cogapp.com>	<547F66DE.8090508@hyperactivesw.com>	<5ADE8077-B7CD-493A-8712-BB9CC01B40FC@byu.edu>	<54961CFF.4040504@hindu.org>
	<54980041.9060307@cogapp.com>
	<F9D45986-0BFA-4EFA-AEF6-7AE174E4087F@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5498537A.2070700@cogapp.com>

On 22/12/2014 16:56, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Wouldn't "if" and "end if" be a code block delimiter? And the same for
"switch" and "end switch"?

"single block delimiter" = one open, one close.

At least that's my understanding.

In theory we could therefore select one block to fold inside functions - but 
in practise the end token would need to include a space (e.g. "end if") and 
elsewhere we've defined the set of characters that can be included in a 
LiveCode token, which does not include a space.  I did experiment with that 
(not for this purpose, but because we can't for the same reason teach BBEdit 
about multi-word keywords, e.g. "is not among the lines of") but it caused a 
lot more problems than it solved.

The para I quoted from the docs 
(http://www.barebones.com/support/develop/clm.html) is followed by this:
> Unfortunately, some languages (such as Python or Ruby) don?t have simple
paired delimiters. Single-token matching does not cover such situations, which 
is one reason BBEdit comes with coded language modules for these languages.

So, if anyone fancied programming a 'coded language module', it can do 
anything, including understanding that 'among the lines of' is a keyword, and 
that 'try' is a block closed by 'end try'... but until then, this is the cheap 
60% solution.


On 22/12/2014 16:56, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Wouldn't "if" and "end if" be a code block delimiter? And the same for "switch" and "end switch"?
>
> On December 22, 2014 5:28:01 AM CST, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:
>> It's not possible, I'm afraid.
>>
>> This is a "Codeless Language Module", which works by just declaring
>> keywords
>> and grep patterns.  It's limited in what it can achieve; and in
>> particular the
>> structural elements only work for languages which have a single block
>> delimiter.  Documentation:
>>> Many languages group statements by enclosing them in block delimiters
>> ? { ? } in C-family languages, or BEGIN ? END in Pascal. These keys
>> specify the opening and closing tokens for such blocks. BBEdit detects
>> blocks (even nested ones) and makes it possible to fold them.
>>
>> Unfortunately as LiveCode isn't one of those languages, it's not
>> possible.
>>
>> A long time ago someone-who-I-have-forgotten wrote a full-on Language
>> Module
>> for Revolution (as it then was) - since it was custom coded with a full
>> parser
>> it could do anything.  Unfortunately several versions of BBEdit ago
>> there was
>> an incompatibility which meant that BBEdit crashed as soon as you made
>> a
>> change to a file which this module was applied to; and the latest
>> version of
>> BBEdit won't load it at all.
>>
>> It would still be possible for someone to repeat this task (and
>> arguably since
>> we now have access to the source code of the actual LiveCode parser
>> there
>> might be a place to start) - but I suspect that now that BB have
>> introduced
>> the Codeless Language Modules, its unlikely anyone will feel the the
>> small
>> extra gain is worth the very considerable extra effort.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On 21/12/2014 01:06, Brahmanathaswami wrote:
>>> re: "if" and "switch" folding...
>>>
>>> I tried.  in the plist I had added this: under the language features
>> section/dict
>>>
>>> Devin Asay wrote:
>>>> Ben or Swami, do you know if it?s possible to add folding for repeat
>> loops
>>>> and if-then structures? It would sure be nice to collapse log,
>> nested
>>>> if-thens to get a sense of the whole handler or script flow.
>>
>>
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 22 14:00:01 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:00:01 -0500
Subject: size of LiveCode
Message-ID: <A86347A6-0EAB-4B39-928A-A2E80CD2FEFD@verizon.net>

Sometimes when I?m running low on space I will do a search for any files that are over 1 GB. It?s not uncommon for me to have video renders that I don?t need to keep. I was surprised just now to see LiveCode 7.0.1 at the top of the list.

Here?s the size of the LiveCodes I have kicking around:

5.5.4 - 222.3 MB
6.6.4 - 392 MB
6.7.0 - 672.4 MB
7.0.1 - 1.04 GB

I think I?ll need a bigger drive when LiveCode 8 comes out.





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 14:02:45 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:02:45 +0200
Subject: size of LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <A86347A6-0EAB-4B39-928A-A2E80CD2FEFD@verizon.net>
References: <A86347A6-0EAB-4B39-928A-A2E80CD2FEFD@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <54986AD5.9050300@gmail.com>

On 22/12/14 21:00, Colin Holgate wrote:
> Sometimes when I?m running low on space I will do a search for any files that are over 1 GB. It?s not uncommon for me to have video renders that I don?t need to keep. I was surprised just now to see LiveCode 7.0.1 at the top of the list.
>
> Here?s the size of the LiveCodes I have kicking around:
>
> 5.5.4 - 222.3 MB
> 6.6.4 - 392 MB
> 6.7.0 - 672.4 MB
> 7.0.1 - 1.04 GB
>
> I think I?ll need a bigger drive when LiveCode 8 comes out.
>
>

Well, I have 2 1 Terabyte Hard Drives in my Linux box, and as they cost 
me no more than 120 Euros together
there shouldn't be that much to grumble about.

Richmond.



From andrew at ctech.me  Mon Dec 22 15:28:17 2014
From: andrew at ctech.me (Andrew Kluthe)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:28:17 -0600
Subject: size of LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <54986AD5.9050300@gmail.com>
References: <A86347A6-0EAB-4B39-928A-A2E80CD2FEFD@verizon.net>
	<54986AD5.9050300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHp9Ft_pcbQTWcTJ_HvZ5Z+g8tTuu6WUyOVddZywtwh_x+cOoA@mail.gmail.com>

Though they broke my legs, they gave me a crutch to walk.

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 22/12/14 21:00, Colin Holgate wrote:
>
>> Sometimes when I?m running low on space I will do a search for any files
>> that are over 1 GB. It?s not uncommon for me to have video renders that I
>> don?t need to keep. I was surprised just now to see LiveCode 7.0.1 at the
>> top of the list.
>>
>> Here?s the size of the LiveCodes I have kicking around:
>>
>> 5.5.4 - 222.3 MB
>> 6.6.4 - 392 MB
>> 6.7.0 - 672.4 MB
>> 7.0.1 - 1.04 GB
>>
>> I think I?ll need a bigger drive when LiveCode 8 comes out.
>>
>>
>>
> Well, I have 2 1 Terabyte Hard Drives in my Linux box, and as they cost me
> no more than 120 Euros together
> there shouldn't be that much to grumble about.
>
> Richmond.
>
>
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From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 19:01:27 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 00:01:27 +0000
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager video
References: <00b801d01e01$2181f530$6485df90$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFE_ZnWQYOT=ze7JjQTrfU_AdHURxxExjFtgjkXBi7UDUw@mail.gmail.com>

This product comes with awesome support - Hugh spend an hour and a half
with me on Skype trying to find a solution to a bug, and lots more time on
the problem after that conversation.

Highly recommended!

Gerry
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 at 3:06 am, FlexibleLearning.com <
admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:

> As requested, a short introductory video of ControlManager in action...
>
> http://youtu.be/QtrhtSXCsfk
>
> Further details and purchasing options at...
> www.FlexibleLearning.com/controlmanager
> or https://livecode.com/store/marketplace/controlManager-1-0-0
>
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
>
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Mon Dec 22 20:04:48 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:04:48 -0800
Subject: Sockets
Message-ID: <2E729934-4293-416B-8BA7-CC88BF05805F@canelasoftware.com>

Hello all,

I?m using LiveCode 7.0.1.

I have a port open and when I get the openSockets list, the port has an extra character on the end like an ??? or a double quote. I check to see if the port is in the openSocket list so I don?t try to accept connections again, but if I have wholeMatches set to true, it?s not returning true.

Can anyone confirm this before I submit a bug report?

Thanks,

- Eric


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 20:35:40 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:35:40 +0800
Subject: Sockets
In-Reply-To: <2E729934-4293-416B-8BA7-CC88BF05805F@canelasoftware.com>
References: <2E729934-4293-416B-8BA7-CC88BF05805F@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <5629424F-C32E-42FD-8D32-17F52A6E1D98@gmail.com>

Hello Eric

I ran a very simple test using LiveCode 7.0.1 on OS X Yosemite and didn?t see the issue. It was a very simple test though.

My test had three buttons: open, list, close and one field: Report.

The three button scripts were:

	open - open socket to "127.0.0.1:80"
	
	close - close socket "127.0.0.1:80"

	list - put the openSockets into Field "Report"

It worked as expected.

Regards

Peter

> On 23 Dec 2014, at 09:04, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I?m using LiveCode 7.0.1.
> 
> I have a port open and when I get the openSockets list, the port has an extra character on the end like an ??? or a double quote. I check to see if the port is in the openSocket list so I don?t try to accept connections again, but if I have wholeMatches set to true, it?s not returning true.
> 
> Can anyone confirm this before I submit a bug report?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Eric
> _______________________________________________
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From brahma at hindu.org  Mon Dec 22 22:08:58 2014
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:08:58 -1000
Subject: Writing ID3 Tags to files
In-Reply-To: <54150C9F.5020807@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5414F7C5.8060504@hindu.org> <54150C9F.5020807@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5498DCCA.8000705@hindu.org>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Before we lost Mark Smith, he had written an ID3 library. It's old now 
> but it may still be useful. That, and his other work, is preserved here:
>
> <http://marksmith.on-rev.com/revstuff/files/>
>

I downloaded all his libraries. Took the ID3 library and set it up as a 
RevIgniter STack:

It works!

http://dev.himalayanacademy.com/toolbox/getID3Tags




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Dec 22 22:44:44 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:44:44 -0600
Subject: Writing ID3 Tags to files
In-Reply-To: <5498DCCA.8000705@hindu.org>
References: <5414F7C5.8060504@hindu.org> <54150C9F.5020807@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5498DCCA.8000705@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <D7D1FFA8-3884-4DC5-A3CA-94BE12E9EF47@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm using his hmac lib. His legacy lives on. 

On December 22, 2014 9:08:58 PM CST, Brahmanathaswami <brahma at hindu.org> wrote:
>J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> Before we lost Mark Smith, he had written an ID3 library. It's old
>now 
>> but it may still be useful. That, and his other work, is preserved
>here:
>>
>> <http://marksmith.on-rev.com/revstuff/files/>
>>
>
>I downloaded all his libraries. Took the ID3 library and set it up as a
>I'm using his hmac lib 
>RevIgniter STack:
>
>It works!
>
>http://dev.himalayanacademy.com/toolbox/getID3Tags
>
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 22:49:41 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:49:41 -0700
Subject: 7.0.1 community stable
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSq+ArqY0JbXsidPju01-+i=Q2vPJgnxeSPv7n1Nx4fi2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, i'm getting an error "(the path to the installer executable.exe) is
not a valid win32 application.  Is anyone else having trouble getting it to
install?

I'm on win7 home premium, 64 bit.


From eric at canelasoftware.com  Mon Dec 22 22:54:39 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:54:39 -0800
Subject: Sockets
In-Reply-To: <5629424F-C32E-42FD-8D32-17F52A6E1D98@gmail.com>
References: <2E729934-4293-416B-8BA7-CC88BF05805F@canelasoftware.com>
	<5629424F-C32E-42FD-8D32-17F52A6E1D98@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <110AFE1A-A3FF-430F-A11D-DAA4368CE668@canelasoftware.com>

Thanks Peter,

Try starting a server by doing 

accept connections on port 12345 with message "xxx"

Then list the openSockets. The open port 12345 will or might have an extra character at the end. 

- Eric



> On Dec 22, 2014, at 17:35, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Eric
> 
> I ran a very simple test using LiveCode 7.0.1 on OS X Yosemite and didn?t see the issue. It was a very simple test though.
> 
> My test had three buttons: open, list, close and one field: Report.
> 
> The three button scripts were:
> 
>    open - open socket to "127.0.0.1:80"
>    
>    close - close socket "127.0.0.1:80"
> 
>    list - put the openSockets into Field "Report"
> 
> It worked as expected.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 09:04, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I?m using LiveCode 7.0.1.
>> 
>> I have a port open and when I get the openSockets list, the port has an extra character on the end like an ??? or a double quote. I check to see if the port is in the openSocket list so I don?t try to accept connections again, but if I have wholeMatches set to true, it?s not returning true.
>> 
>> Can anyone confirm this before I submit a bug report?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> - Eric
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 23:02:06 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:02:06 -0700
Subject: Sockets
In-Reply-To: <5629424F-C32E-42FD-8D32-17F52A6E1D98@gmail.com>
References: <2E729934-4293-416B-8BA7-CC88BF05805F@canelasoftware.com>
	<5629424F-C32E-42FD-8D32-17F52A6E1D98@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpmRYUYkGzAO2d4CYcyJUSmfg9ZXyGY1FPKWLN=_FGE5A@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, i'm seeing this on 7.0.0 too. The other versions I have (various 6xxx
versions) work correction, though I haven't tried the most recent 6 stable.
If I can get 7.0.1 to install I'll try it there also.

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hello Eric
>
> I ran a very simple test using LiveCode 7.0.1 on OS X Yosemite and didn?t
> see the issue. It was a very simple test though.
>
> My test had three buttons: open, list, close and one field: Report.
>
> The three button scripts were:
>
>         open - open socket to "127.0.0.1:80"
>
>         close - close socket "127.0.0.1:80"
>
>         list - put the openSockets into Field "Report"
>
> It worked as expected.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
> > On 23 Dec 2014, at 09:04, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I?m using LiveCode 7.0.1.
> >
> > I have a port open and when I get the openSockets list, the port has an
> extra character on the end like an ??? or a double quote. I check to see if
> the port is in the openSocket list so I don?t try to accept connections
> again, but if I have wholeMatches set to true, it?s not returning true.
> >
> > Can anyone confirm this before I submit a bug report?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > - Eric
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From paul at livecode.org  Mon Dec 22 23:22:39 2014
From: paul at livecode.org (Paul Hibbert)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:22:39 -0800
Subject: Sockets
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpmRYUYkGzAO2d4CYcyJUSmfg9ZXyGY1FPKWLN=_FGE5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2E729934-4293-416B-8BA7-CC88BF05805F@canelasoftware.com>
	<5629424F-C32E-42FD-8D32-17F52A6E1D98@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpmRYUYkGzAO2d4CYcyJUSmfg9ZXyGY1FPKWLN=_FGE5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC2915BB-B1D2-40A8-961F-2EB31284C9B9@livecode.org>

Eric,

I see the same problem too on LC 7.0.1 (Build 1023) under Yosemite, works fine in LC 6.7.1 & LC 6.6.5 as far as I can tell.

Paul

> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep, i'm seeing this on 7.0.0 too. The other versions I have (various 6xxx
> versions) work correction, though I haven't tried the most recent 6 stable.
> If I can get 7.0.1 to install I'll try it there also.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Eric
>> 
>> I ran a very simple test using LiveCode 7.0.1 on OS X Yosemite and didn?t
>> see the issue. It was a very simple test though.
>> 
>> My test had three buttons: open, list, close and one field: Report.
>> 
>> The three button scripts were:
>> 
>>       open - open socket to "127.0.0.1:80"
>> 
>>       close - close socket "127.0.0.1:80"
>> 
>>       list - put the openSockets into Field "Report"
>> 
>> It worked as expected.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 09:04, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I?m using LiveCode 7.0.1.
>>> 
>>> I have a port open and when I get the openSockets list, the port has an
>> extra character on the end like an ??? or a double quote. I check to see if
>> the port is in the openSocket list so I don?t try to accept connections
>> again, but if I have wholeMatches set to true, it?s not returning true.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone confirm this before I submit a bug report?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> - Eric
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Tue Dec 23 00:45:22 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 21:45:22 -0800
Subject: Sockets
In-Reply-To: <CC2915BB-B1D2-40A8-961F-2EB31284C9B9@livecode.org>
References: <2E729934-4293-416B-8BA7-CC88BF05805F@canelasoftware.com>
	<5629424F-C32E-42FD-8D32-17F52A6E1D98@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpmRYUYkGzAO2d4CYcyJUSmfg9ZXyGY1FPKWLN=_FGE5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC2915BB-B1D2-40A8-961F-2EB31284C9B9@livecode.org>
Message-ID: <A847EAFF-B10B-453D-B37E-30FB8872849F@canelasoftware.com>

Thanks all, I'll send in a bug report.

e



> On Dec 22, 2014, at 20:22, Paul Hibbert <paul at livecode.org> wrote:
> 
> Eric,
> 
> I see the same problem too on LC 7.0.1 (Build 1023) under Yosemite, works fine in LC 6.7.1 & LC 6.6.5 as far as I can tell.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, i'm seeing this on 7.0.0 too. The other versions I have (various 6xxx
>> versions) work correction, though I haven't tried the most recent 6 stable.
>> If I can get 7.0.1 to install I'll try it there also.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Eric
>>> 
>>> I ran a very simple test using LiveCode 7.0.1 on OS X Yosemite and didn?t
>>> see the issue. It was a very simple test though.
>>> 
>>> My test had three buttons: open, list, close and one field: Report.
>>> 
>>> The three button scripts were:
>>> 
>>>      open - open socket to "127.0.0.1:80"
>>> 
>>>      close - close socket "127.0.0.1:80"
>>> 
>>>      list - put the openSockets into Field "Report"
>>> 
>>> It worked as expected.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 09:04, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> I?m using LiveCode 7.0.1.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a port open and when I get the openSockets list, the port has an
>>> extra character on the end like an ??? or a double quote. I check to see if
>>> the port is in the openSocket list so I don?t try to accept connections
>>> again, but if I have wholeMatches set to true, it?s not returning true.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone confirm this before I submit a bug report?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> - Eric
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>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Dec 22 19:58:07 2014
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 16:58:07 -0800
Subject: iOS external to check battery state?
Message-ID: <5498BE1F.4070100@pdslabs.net>

Hi friends,

Has anyone out there created an iOS battery state external for 
semi-public use? I need it for internal testing only, not as part of a 
product. I see code at StackOverflow and other places for this purpose 
but have never built an iOS external, so I thought I would check my main 
source for such things.

Or is there a way to check battery state in LC and I'm just not aware of it?

Thanks and Merry Christmas to all -

-- 
Phil Davis




From peterwawood at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 01:32:41 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:32:41 +0800
Subject: Sockets
In-Reply-To: <110AFE1A-A3FF-430F-A11D-DAA4368CE668@canelasoftware.com>
References: <2E729934-4293-416B-8BA7-CC88BF05805F@canelasoftware.com>
	<5629424F-C32E-42FD-8D32-17F52A6E1D98@gmail.com>
	<110AFE1A-A3FF-430F-A11D-DAA4368CE668@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <8F9122AC-99E0-492E-96BF-E14551D63FE7@gmail.com>

When opening when starting a socket, I see the problem. This is the port number that was displayed "12345???

Regards

Peter

> On 23 Dec 2014, at 11:54, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Peter,
> 
> Try starting a server by doing 
> 
> accept connections on port 12345 with message "xxx"
> 
> Then list the openSockets. The open port 12345 will or might have an extra character at the end. 
> 
> - Eric
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 17:35, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Eric
>> 
>> I ran a very simple test using LiveCode 7.0.1 on OS X Yosemite and didn?t see the issue. It was a very simple test though.
>> 
>> My test had three buttons: open, list, close and one field: Report.
>> 
>> The three button scripts were:
>> 
>>   open - open socket to "127.0.0.1:80"
>> 
>>   close - close socket "127.0.0.1:80"
>> 
>>   list - put the openSockets into Field "Report"
>> 
>> It worked as expected.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 09:04, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I?m using LiveCode 7.0.1.
>>> 
>>> I have a port open and when I get the openSockets list, the port has an extra character on the end like an ??? or a double quote. I check to see if the port is in the openSocket list so I don?t try to accept connections again, but if I have wholeMatches set to true, it?s not returning true.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone confirm this before I submit a bug report?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> - Eric
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>> 
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From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Dec 23 01:58:40 2014
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:58:40 -1000
Subject: visual effect not working to show stack
Message-ID: <549912A0.4050604@hindu.org>

I have a main stack and a substack

this button on the main stack is meant to open the substack and show it 
with a visual effect.

It doesn't work... the substack just "snaps" open

LC 6.6.2 OS X Mavericks

on mouseUp

    go invisible stack  "choose date"
    show stack "choose date" with visual effect iris open very slowly

end mouseUp

what am I doing wrong?
-- 
Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com




From dixonja at hotmail.co.uk  Tue Dec 23 03:45:34 2014
From: dixonja at hotmail.co.uk (John Dixon)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:45:34 +0000
Subject: visual effect not working to show stack
In-Reply-To: <549912A0.4050604@hindu.org>
References: <549912A0.4050604@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <DUB114-W2647F4BE42B283BABD442DED570@phx.gbl>


Read the dictionary...

'The visual effect command affects only navigation within a window. If 
you want to create a transition effect when moving between stacks, use 
the go...in window form of the go command:'

> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:58:40 -1000
> From: brahma at hindu.org
> To: use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: visual effect not working to show stack
> 
> I have a main stack and a substack
> 
> this button on the main stack is meant to open the substack and show it 
> with a visual effect.
> 
> It doesn't work... the substack just "snaps" open
> 
> LC 6.6.2 OS X Mavericks
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
>     go invisible stack  "choose date"
>     show stack "choose date" with visual effect iris open very slowly
> 
> end mouseUp
> 
> what am I doing wrong?
> -- 
> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
> Brahmanathaswami
> 
> Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com
> 
> 
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From stgoldberg at aol.com  Tue Dec 23 06:21:22 2014
From: stgoldberg at aol.com (stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:21:22 -0500
Subject: Livecode in HTML5 for the Internet
Message-ID: <8D1ECB9B77F14AB-2168-5F52@webmail-vm082.sysops.aol.com>

Regarding the possibility of Livecode being developed in HTML5 so that a stack or standalone can be  accessed directly on the Internet, is the plan one in which a standalone could be used using the same scripting language that is currently employed for standalones on Mac and Windows desktops?  Or would this require a significantly expanded set of scripting words, such as is the present case for apps on mobile devices?
Thanks.

Stephen Goldberg, President
Medmaster publishing co.
www.medmaster.net


From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Tue Dec 23 06:30:03 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:30:03 -0000
Subject: [ANN] ControlManager video
Message-ID: <00d201d01ea3$cc38a030$64a9e090$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Thank you, Gerry!

Build 63 has just been sent to all purchasers as a free update. If any
purchasers have not received it, do please let me know.

Video at http://youtu.be/QtrhtSXCsfk
Further details and purchasing options at
www.FlexibleLearning.com/controlmanager 
or https://livecode.com/store/marketplace/controlManager-1-0-0 


Hugh Senior
FLCo

> This product comes with awesome support - Hugh spend an hour and a half
> with me on Skype trying to find a solution to a bug, and lots more time on
> the problem after that conversation.
> 
> Highly recommended!
> 
> Gerry





From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Tue Dec 23 06:38:35 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:38:35 -0000
Subject: 7.0.1 community stable
Message-ID: <00d301d01ea4$fde138d0$f9a3aa70$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Hi Mike

Don't know if related, but I got similar errors for 6.7.3rc3 after an
automatic  Win7 system update (something about invalid permissions).
Re-started the computer then tried again successfully.

Alternatively, Edinburgh inadvertently packed 7.0.1 as 64-bit exe in a
32-bit installer.

Best regards,

Hugh Senior
FLCo
 
> Hey, i'm getting an error "(the path to the installer executable.exe) is
> not a valid win32 application.  Is anyone else having trouble getting it
to
> install?
> 
> I'm on win7 home premium, 64 bit.




From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Tue Dec 23 08:36:22 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:36:22 -0000
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
Message-ID: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Over the years, people keep asking about how to implement 'display as you
type' widget thang.

So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and screenshots
are available here...

www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter


Enjoy!


Hugh Senior
FLCo




From skip at magicgate.com  Tue Dec 23 09:16:59 2014
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:16:59 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4NuMg1iqpCvkhEJSLsytB+81oGzYPWRdTs9w_qtcutgTw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow... your timing couldn't be more perfect.  I was working on something
like that yesterday.  Now I need to find a way to make this work with a
datagrid :)

Thanks again and Merry Christmas!

SKIP KIMPEL

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:

> Over the years, people keep asking about how to implement 'display as you
> type' widget thang.
>
> So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
> flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and screenshots
> are available here...
>
> www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Dec 23 09:48:25 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:48:25 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <2E0E154D-206A-4B05-9430-D3841C1BAEC3@m-r-d.de>

Hugh,

many thanks for that ?little? helper!

Happy holiday to you and of course to all of the list.

Matthias

> Am 23.12.2014 um 14:36 schrieb FlexibleLearning.com <admin at FlexibleLearning.com>:
> 
> Over the years, people keep asking about how to implement 'display as you
> type' widget thang.
> 
> So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
> flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and screenshots
> are available here...
> 
> www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter
> 
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> 
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Dec 23 09:49:25 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:49:25 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4NuMg1iqpCvkhEJSLsytB+81oGzYPWRdTs9w_qtcutgTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<CAO8Ty4NuMg1iqpCvkhEJSLsytB+81oGzYPWRdTs9w_qtcutgTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49945F28-4E05-47A6-97AA-20D5A76F9CFE@m-r-d.de>

Skip,

good to know you are already investigating how to use that tool with datagrids. ;)

If you have a solution, would you please share your results/knowledge?

Regards,

Mattthias



> Am 23.12.2014 um 15:16 schrieb Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel <skip at magicgate.com>:
> 
> Wow... your timing couldn't be more perfect.  I was working on something
> like that yesterday.  Now I need to find a way to make this work with a
> datagrid :)
> 
> Thanks again and Merry Christmas!
> 
> SKIP KIMPEL
> 
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
> admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:
> 
>> Over the years, people keep asking about how to implement 'display as you
>> type' widget thang.
>> 
>> So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
>> flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and screenshots
>> are available here...
>> 
>> www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter
>> 
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> 
>> Hugh Senior
>> FLCo
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 10:13:38 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:13:38 -0700
Subject: 7.0.1 community stable
In-Reply-To: <00d301d01ea4$fde138d0$f9a3aa70$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <00d301d01ea4$fde138d0$f9a3aa70$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSoW29eJrV3s91KZP6aPE_23zMWodGCZVwK=4yC5nRY_Fw@mail.gmail.com>

Restart didn't help in this case, 7 rc 4 installer works fine.  Will let
them know.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:38 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike
>
> Don't know if related, but I got similar errors for 6.7.3rc3 after an
> automatic  Win7 system update (something about invalid permissions).
> Re-started the computer then tried again successfully.
>
> Alternatively, Edinburgh inadvertently packed 7.0.1 as 64-bit exe in a
> 32-bit installer.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
> > Hey, i'm getting an error "(the path to the installer executable.exe) is
> > not a valid win32 application.  Is anyone else having trouble getting it
> to
> > install?
> >
> > I'm on win7 home premium, 64 bit.
>
>
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> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 10:51:34 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:51:34 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHvLcj1H9MoANmnJxtJbAu3WP+dWHKoHjmrtq_7qbfQmQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:

> So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
> flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and screenshots
> are available here...
>

Wow.  THank you for releasing that.

But which kind of "Free" :)   Public Domain, BSD license, gpl, other?


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Dec 23 10:59:28 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:59:28 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4NuMg1iqpCvkhEJSLsytB+81oGzYPWRdTs9w_qtcutgTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<CAO8Ty4NuMg1iqpCvkhEJSLsytB+81oGzYPWRdTs9w_qtcutgTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOekyEopinZD5Jw8CuaTUefyZL=t5JHfhb3HA77fO+PQA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm assuming you need to do this when the user is typing into the
datagrid's edit field. I recently needed to implement a right click popup
menu to the datagrid's edit field and used the following method which
should work for this purpose too.

Make a button and copy the script of button Field Editor of stack
revDatagridLibrary into it. Add the typing filter code to it.

In the script of your datagrid, add a preOpenFieldEditor handler. Its
single parameter is the long id of the field that will be used for editing.
In the preOpenFieldEditor script, set the behavior of the edit field to
your button's script.

HTH.
On Dec 23, 2014 6:16 AM, "Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel" <
skip at magicgate.com> wrote:

> Wow... your timing couldn't be more perfect.  I was working on something
> like that yesterday.  Now I need to find a way to make this work with a
> datagrid :)
>
> Thanks again and Merry Christmas!
>
> SKIP KIMPEL
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
> admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:
>
> > Over the years, people keep asking about how to implement 'display as you
> > type' widget thang.
> >
> > So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
> > flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and
> screenshots
> > are available here...
> >
> > www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter
> >
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> >
> > Hugh Senior
> > FLCo
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Tue Dec 23 11:20:30 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:20:30 -0800
Subject: Sockets
In-Reply-To: <8F9122AC-99E0-492E-96BF-E14551D63FE7@gmail.com>
References: <2E729934-4293-416B-8BA7-CC88BF05805F@canelasoftware.com>
	<5629424F-C32E-42FD-8D32-17F52A6E1D98@gmail.com>
	<110AFE1A-A3FF-430F-A11D-DAA4368CE668@canelasoftware.com>
	<8F9122AC-99E0-492E-96BF-E14551D63FE7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B130994A-D9B2-42F5-BE79-FC56C57F7B28@canelasoftware.com>

Bug reported: 14287

- e

On Dec 22, 2014, at 10:32 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:

> When opening when starting a socket, I see the problem. This is the port number that was displayed "12345???
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 11:54, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Peter,
>> 
>> Try starting a server by doing 
>> 
>> accept connections on port 12345 with message "xxx"
>> 
>> Then list the openSockets. The open port 12345 will or might have an extra character at the end. 
>> 
>> - Eric
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 17:35, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Eric
>>> 
>>> I ran a very simple test using LiveCode 7.0.1 on OS X Yosemite and didn?t see the issue. It was a very simple test though.
>>> 
>>> My test had three buttons: open, list, close and one field: Report.
>>> 
>>> The three button scripts were:
>>> 
>>>  open - open socket to "127.0.0.1:80"
>>> 
>>>  close - close socket "127.0.0.1:80"
>>> 
>>>  list - put the openSockets into Field "Report"
>>> 
>>> It worked as expected.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Dec 2014, at 09:04, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> I?m using LiveCode 7.0.1.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a port open and when I get the openSockets list, the port has an extra character on the end like an ??? or a double quote. I check to see if the port is in the openSocket list so I don?t try to accept connections again, but if I have wholeMatches set to true, it?s not returning true.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone confirm this before I submit a bug report?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> - Eric
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From skip at magicgate.com  Tue Dec 23 11:28:29 2014
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:28:29 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOekyEopinZD5Jw8CuaTUefyZL=t5JHfhb3HA77fO+PQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<CAO8Ty4NuMg1iqpCvkhEJSLsytB+81oGzYPWRdTs9w_qtcutgTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eOekyEopinZD5Jw8CuaTUefyZL=t5JHfhb3HA77fO+PQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4MfktNAgruWyO1zpBC-CicjJKGCAXuyneLMzquMp8BSEg@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, I need it to search for data already entered WITHIN the datagrid.

SKIP

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> I'm assuming you need to do this when the user is typing into the
> datagrid's edit field. I recently needed to implement a right click popup
> menu to the datagrid's edit field and used the following method which
> should work for this purpose too.
>
> Make a button and copy the script of button Field Editor of stack
> revDatagridLibrary into it. Add the typing filter code to it.
>
> In the script of your datagrid, add a preOpenFieldEditor handler. Its
> single parameter is the long id of the field that will be used for editing.
> In the preOpenFieldEditor script, set the behavior of the edit field to
> your button's script.
>
> HTH.
> On Dec 23, 2014 6:16 AM, "Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel" <
> skip at magicgate.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow... your timing couldn't be more perfect.  I was working on something
> > like that yesterday.  Now I need to find a way to make this work with a
> > datagrid :)
> >
> > Thanks again and Merry Christmas!
> >
> > SKIP KIMPEL
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
> > admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Over the years, people keep asking about how to implement 'display as
> you
> > > type' widget thang.
> > >
> > > So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
> > > flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and
> > screenshots
> > > are available here...
> > >
> > > www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter
> > >
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > >
> > > Hugh Senior
> > > FLCo
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From bornstein at designeq.com  Tue Dec 23 14:27:42 2014
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:27:42 -0800
Subject: Forum spam
In-Reply-To: <A2B2F9AE-BF9E-40B5-92F5-56B07B1C4BF3@major-k.de>
References: <c954d9d249e4203584059fbd829784e9@fourthworld.com>
	<CAOpWwtTGYfMcYyQnqkbWFRcHAsAqwjv3cSrXNgf_Zn0y1bkC2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<A2B2F9AE-BF9E-40B5-92F5-56B07B1C4BF3@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <CAOpWwtQMSqOX0pHstbWhnh+hbkBBJNv5uaSMO=Mk5kUoBx+KMw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Klaus!

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Klaus major-k <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Howard,
>
> > Am 22.12.2014 um 00:12 schrieb Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com
> >:
> >
> > I also received the same spam, although mine was from michaelrock. I
> > forwarded it to Heather. Don't you have to be a registered user to be
> able
> > to send PMs to another member? He was not listed in the member list
> today,
> > so I don't know whether Heather removed him
>
> I did :-)
>
> > or there is another way non-members can send PMs.
>
> Sorry, no idea, but I have an eye on the forum!
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major-k.de
>
>
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-----------------------
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From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Dec 23 15:04:02 2014
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 10:04:02 -1000
Subject: visual effect not working to show stack
In-Reply-To: <DUB114-W2647F4BE42B283BABD442DED570@phx.gbl>
References: <549912A0.4050604@hindu.org>
	<DUB114-W2647F4BE42B283BABD442DED570@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5499CAB2.7060405@hindu.org>

John: right... I did read the dictionary.

but we don't want the substack being revealed to take over the window of 
the main stack.

and, this doesn't work:

on mouseUp
    visual effect reveal up very slowly
    go  stack "Choose Date"  in new window
end mouseUp

I presume, because,  "new window" does not qualify as "within a window"

this also does not work:

on mouseUp
   lock screen for visual effect
   go   stack "Choose Date"  in  new window
   unlock screen with visual effect reveal up very slowly
end mouseUp


Either I am still missing something really simple.

OR

what we want:

open a stack in a different window with a visual effect that emulates a 
slide effect of moving into view from the bottom into the rect of the 
current card of the background/parent stack... is not doable, which I 
find hard to believe....

Sheet: only works from the top
Drawer: only pushes out from the rect of the stack

Goal: have the sub stack "slide" into the screen rect of the parent 
stack, i.e. behave like a drawer, but move into instead of out from, the 
parent stack.

I hope I am missing something really simple.

Swasti Astu, Be Well!
Brahmanathaswami

Kauai's Hindu Monastery
www.HimalayanAcademy.com



John Dixon wrote:
> Read the dictionary...
>
> 'The visual effect command affects only navigation within a window. If
> you want to create a transition effect when moving between stacks, use
> the go...in window form of the go command:'



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Dec 23 15:10:40 2014
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:10:40 -0500
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 7.0.1
In-Reply-To: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHg3tG8msrEcR=gq-xQgX99aZEyVp29hUjrywQ4fLE8MKC4fMg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at livecode.com> wrote:

>
> *Release Contents*
> This release contains 5 bug fixes. Most notable is a fix to text rendering
> performance that was effecting the editing of long scripts.
>

Thanks for the update Ben and crew. 7.0.1 is MUCH faster for me when
working on scripts the IDE now.

Merry Christmas!

-- 
Trevor DeVore
ScreenSteps
www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Dec 23 15:43:06 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:43:06 -0800
Subject: visual effect not working to show stack
In-Reply-To: <5499CAB2.7060405@hindu.org>
References: <549912A0.4050604@hindu.org>
	<DUB114-W2647F4BE42B283BABD442DED570@phx.gbl>
	<5499CAB2.7060405@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <063BA3D6-75DC-437F-A311-8A163EF89D5A@tactilemedia.com>

I don't know that it has ever been possible to use a visual effect when launching a stack.  Can you point to a version of LiveCode where this works?

The only stack-level "effects" I've been able to manage are a dissolve-into-view effect by setting the stack's blendLevel from 100 to 0, expand/contract effects by repeatedly changing the stack's rect, or a morph-type effect by repeatedly chafing a stack's windowShape to a sequence of images.

There may be ways to fake the effect you're looking but they're a bit messy.  One way would be to capture the portion of the desktop where you intend to display your stack in a decoration-less stack.  You could reveal a snapshot of your real stack in the capture stack using whatever effect you want, display your real stack above the capture stack, then remove the capture stack from view using blendLevel of 100 and close.

Perhaps one of the above would work for you.

Happy Holidays,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media UX/UI Design

> On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Brahmanathaswami <brahma at hindu.org> wrote:
> 
> John: right... I did read the dictionary.
> 
> but we don't want the substack being revealed to take over the window of the main stack.
> 
> and, this doesn't work:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   visual effect reveal up very slowly
>   go  stack "Choose Date"  in new window
> end mouseUp
> 
> I presume, because,  "new window" does not qualify as "within a window"
> 
> this also does not work:
> 
> on mouseUp
>  lock screen for visual effect
>  go   stack "Choose Date"  in  new window
>  unlock screen with visual effect reveal up very slowly
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> Either I am still missing something really simple.
> 
> OR
> 
> what we want:
> 
> open a stack in a different window with a visual effect that emulates a slide effect of moving into view from the bottom into the rect of the current card of the background/parent stack... is not doable, which I find hard to believe....
> 
> Sheet: only works from the top
> Drawer: only pushes out from the rect of the stack
> 
> Goal: have the sub stack "slide" into the screen rect of the parent stack, i.e. behave like a drawer, but move into instead of out from, the parent stack.
> 
> I hope I am missing something really simple.
> 
> Swasti Astu, Be Well!
> Brahmanathaswami
> 
> Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com
> 
> 
> 
> John Dixon wrote:
>> Read the dictionary...
>> 
>> 'The visual effect command affects only navigation within a window. If
>> you want to create a transition effect when moving between stacks, use
>> the go...in window form of the go command:'
> 
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 15:44:01 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:44:01 -0500
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
Message-ID: <5499D411.2020207@gmail.com>

How can you tell when the IDE is done loading?   I am trying to figure 
out how to have the initialization of my app happen _after_ all of the 
IDE stacks have loaded.  When my stack is double clicked from the 
desktop, my initialization code calls revloadedStacks() before the IDE 
has loaded it and I am getting an execution error.

Thanks
   Mike






From prothero at earthednet.org  Tue Dec 23 16:59:22 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 11:59:22 -1000
Subject: Wondering about the bug reports in Standalone
Message-ID: <35D76F05-7817-4901-BA1E-0348C778CE98@earthednet.org>

Folks:
I?m just now beta testing my application and love the bug report system that the Standalone Maker automatically includes. I?m wondering what the restrictions are in this. Does it require the local user to have email set up? This app will be used in a lab setting by a variety of students, so email may not be available. I can set up an independent email bug reporting system, but for now, I?d like to use the built-in one. 

So, I?m wondering what local resources must be available for this to work.

Best,
Bill

William A. Prothero
http://es.earthednet.org/



From brahma at hindu.org  Tue Dec 23 22:22:30 2014
From: brahma at hindu.org (Brahmanathaswami)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:22:30 -1000
Subject: visual effect not working to show stack
In-Reply-To: <063BA3D6-75DC-437F-A311-8A163EF89D5A@tactilemedia.com>
References: <549912A0.4050604@hindu.org>
	<DUB114-W2647F4BE42B283BABD442DED570@phx.gbl>
	<5499CAB2.7060405@hindu.org>
	<063BA3D6-75DC-437F-A311-8A163EF89D5A@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <549A3176.8080802@hindu.org>

No, I can't point to a version of LiveCode where this ever worked... I 
was dreaming again (ha!)

So... it can't be done, except by these "messy" methods you describe.

I guess we will have to live without it. Too bad, as many modern UX 
designs call for the "cool" appearance of content like this. And the 
architecture would be best served by  keeping really disparate content 
in different substacks. I will put in a feature request...

I suppose we could also go for building a group and then hiding and 
showing that... if all we are presenting to the user is a set of 
controls  or info like a help window or big giant calendar/date picker. 
Again, this tends to overload the main stack when substacks would be a 
better way to manage the content.

Or: use "sheet" and be content with the "drop from the top" default effect.

BR

Scott Rossi wrote:
> I don't know that it has ever been possible to use a visual effect when launching a stack.  Can you point to a version of LiveCode where this works?
>
> The only stack-level "effects" I've been able to manage are a dissolve-into-view effect by setting the stack's blendLevel from 100 to 0, expand/contract effects by repeatedly changing the stack's rect, or a morph-type effect by repeatedly chafing a stack's windowShape to a sequence of images.
>
> There may be ways to fake the effect you're looking but they're a bit messy.  One way would be to capture the portion of the desktop where you intend to display your stack in a decoration-less stack.  You could reveal a snapshot of your real stack in the capture stack using whatever effect you want, display your real stack above the capture stack, then remove the capture stack from view using blendLevel of 100 and close.
>
> Perhaps one of the above would work for you.
>     



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 23 23:06:55 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 22:06:55 -0600
Subject: Wondering about the bug reports in Standalone
In-Reply-To: <35D76F05-7817-4901-BA1E-0348C778CE98@earthednet.org>
References: <35D76F05-7817-4901-BA1E-0348C778CE98@earthednet.org>
Message-ID: <549A3BDF.8000603@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/23/2014 3:59 PM, William Prothero wrote:
> Folks: I?m just now beta testing my application and love the bug
> report system that the Standalone Maker automatically includes. I?m
> wondering what the restrictions are in this. Does it require the
> local user to have email set up? This app will be used in a lab
> setting by a variety of students, so email may not be available. I
> can set up an independent email bug reporting system, but for now,
> I?d like to use the built-in one.
>
> So, I?m wondering what local resources must be available for this to
> work.

I use this in almost every app I build, it's handy and it works well. I 
usually choose the email option but if your users won't have that then 
the only other choice is to save the report to a file on disk. If it's a 
public/lab computer then it might be tricky for them to move that file 
off the computer and onto a device they can work with so they can send 
it to you.

The email option works by filling out the body of the email with the 
error report, and addressing the email to the address you've entered in 
standalone settings. The user only has to click the Send button. If you 
choose that option, and the computer is set up with an email account, it 
doesn't matter too much that the "from" address won't be the student. It 
will just get sent anyway. But if the computer isn't set up for email 
then it won't work.

If you can't use email or files, I think your only option is to build 
your own system.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 23 23:09:37 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 22:09:37 -0600
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
In-Reply-To: <5499D411.2020207@gmail.com>
References: <5499D411.2020207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549A3C81.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/23/2014 2:44 PM, Michael Doub wrote:
> How can you tell when the IDE is done loading?   I am trying to figure
> out how to have the initialization of my app happen _after_ all of the
> IDE stacks have loaded.  When my stack is double clicked from the
> desktop, my initialization code calls revloadedStacks() before the IDE
> has loaded it and I am getting an execution error.

I usually just put in a "send myHandler to me in 1 second" command in an 
openStack handler on the first card. Then "myHandler" does whatever 
needs doing. One second seems like enough time usually.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 11:35:01 2014
From: mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com (paolo mazza)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:35:01 +0100
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 7.0.1
In-Reply-To: <CAHg3tG8msrEcR=gq-xQgX99aZEyVp29hUjrywQ4fLE8MKC4fMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG8msrEcR=gq-xQgX99aZEyVp29hUjrywQ4fLE8MKC4fMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+NEnO9qZ2wJw4MdpneF2xePTiYTb26v2jjFS+-Dmpc1bO-ZYg@mail.gmail.com>

I can not instal in my PC with  windows 8   the LC Community Version
7.0.1 downloaded from

http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/

It says "it is impossible to instal this app in my PC". why?
I tried to uninstal the previous version 7.0.0, but I got the same
error message.

I try to check for updates from the help menu of LC Community Version
7.0.0 but it says that no updates are available.

Any idea how to fix this?
Thanks a lot
Paolo

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Trevor DeVore
<lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at livecode.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> *Release Contents*
>> This release contains 5 bug fixes. Most notable is a fix to text rendering
>> performance that was effecting the editing of long scripts.
>>
>
> Thanks for the update Ben and crew. 7.0.1 is MUCH faster for me when
> working on scripts the IDE now.
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> ScreenSteps
> www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 11:48:28 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:48:28 -0800
Subject: Finally caught a screen-flicker!
Message-ID: <CANQHZSF+2-eY6pR9U5ewYdrtZaROKF8UET-8bHBo+SnFTZO8Zw@mail.gmail.com>

I finally got a situation where I could capture the screen before livecode
crashed.

*Bug 14294* <http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14294> - Repeated
screen redraws in IDE

As the mouse leaves the editor of the IDE, the upper portion is redrawn
several times, causing flickers.
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Wed Dec 24 11:51:53 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:51:53 -0000
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
Message-ID: <000a01d01f99$ecdbceb0$c6936c10$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Richard

TypingFilter for LiveCode is free as in "no charge, gratis, for nothing, a
gift, a present, complimentary"...

www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter 

Hugh Senior
FLCo

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com
<admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:

> So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
> flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and
screenshots
> are available here...
>

Wow.  THank you for releasing that.

But which kind of "Free" :)   Public Domain, BSD license, gpl, other?

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 12:11:10 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:11:10 -0700
Subject: RELEASE: LiveCode 7.0.1
In-Reply-To: <CA+NEnO9qZ2wJw4MdpneF2xePTiYTb26v2jjFS+-Dmpc1bO-ZYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADd0_TwViZUK-ptxtVp9ZU351mcv41jtMRBrdCAwnwrAHR2kJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHg3tG8msrEcR=gq-xQgX99aZEyVp29hUjrywQ4fLE8MKC4fMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+NEnO9qZ2wJw4MdpneF2xePTiYTb26v2jjFS+-Dmpc1bO-ZYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqWabm8WbW47E1a8Si6P7R34u+xO7_Uys92zdBck+dhPw@mail.gmail.com>

You might look for hung .setup processes from LC and stop them using the
task manager.  IF 7.0.0 no longer works, then look in the lc folder
"C:\Program Files (x86)\RunRev\LiveCode Community 7.0" and see if the only
thing left is the .setup program.  I had to manually delete this file
before I could re-install 7 successfully.

As far as 7.0.1, I can install up to rc4, but the stable version of the
installer is giving me a "not a valid win32.." error. I've informed runrev,
with a screenie of the error.  I'm on win7 64 bit.  Don't know if you're
having the same problem or not as far as 7.0.1 goes.

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, paolo mazza <mazzapaoloitaly at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I can not instal in my PC with  windows 8   the LC Community Version
> 7.0.1 downloaded from
>
> http://downloads.livecode.com/livecode/
>
> It says "it is impossible to instal this app in my PC". why?
> I tried to uninstal the previous version 7.0.0, but I got the same
> error message.
>
> I try to check for updates from the help menu of LC Community Version
> 7.0.0 but it says that no updates are available.
>
> Any idea how to fix this?
> Thanks a lot
> Paolo
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Trevor DeVore
> <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Benjamin Beaumont <ben at livecode.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> *Release Contents*
> >> This release contains 5 bug fixes. Most notable is a fix to text
> rendering
> >> performance that was effecting the editing of long scripts.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for the update Ben and crew. 7.0.1 is MUCH faster for me when
> > working on scripts the IDE now.
> >
> > Merry Christmas!
> >
> > --
> > Trevor DeVore
> > ScreenSteps
> > www.screensteps.com    -    www.clarify-it.com
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 12:15:52 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 09:15:52 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <000a01d01f99$ecdbceb0$c6936c10$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <000a01d01f99$ecdbceb0$c6936c10$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHq7xMkddhgKDRi1+_S6jCb3SBtB7_qGo-Tpzesn9J5eA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 8:51 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:

> TypingFilter for LiveCode is free as in "no charge, gratis, for nothing, a
> gift, a present, complimentary"...
>

Thank you :)

I put together a simpler and clumsier one, and would love to replace it.  I
avoid looking at gpl code, though, just over the taint of anything I might
do better.




-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 24 12:18:52 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:18:52 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <000a01d01f99$ecdbceb0$c6936c10$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <000a01d01f99$ecdbceb0$c6936c10$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <EAB6E056-9635-4901-9C8D-9989892B340B@iotecdigital.com>

Ohhh thanks! I did something like this in my recent app, but this looks much better. I?ll give you credit if I ever distribute it. 

Bob S


> On Dec 24, 2014, at 08:51 , FlexibleLearning.com <admin at FlexibleLearning.com> wrote:
> 
> Richard
> 
> TypingFilter for LiveCode is free as in "no charge, gratis, for nothing, a
> gift, a present, complimentary"...
> 
> www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter 
> 
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
> 
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com
> <admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:
> 
>> So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
>> flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and
> screenshots
>> are available here...
>> 
> 
> Wow.  THank you for releasing that.
> 
> But which kind of "Free" :)   Public Domain, BSD license, gpl, other?
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> 
> 
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 12:57:40 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 12:57:40 -0500
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
In-Reply-To: <549A3C81.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5499D411.2020207@gmail.com> <549A3C81.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <549AFE94.5020901@gmail.com>

I have tried that but I need to process the resumeStack message which 
seems to get called as part of the startup process.   I guess I have to 
manually set a global flag and have the timed handler unblock the 
flag.   What is the very first handler that an application can process?  
Startup?

Is there an ordered list of messages that are fired for startup and 
opening a stack?  Opening a card would be useful too.   I can't say that 
I have ever seen this anywhere in the documentation.   Is this derivable 
programmatically?

Regards,
     Mike


On 12/23/14 11:09 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 12/23/2014 2:44 PM, Michael Doub wrote:
>> How can you tell when the IDE is done loading?   I am trying to figure
>> out how to have the initialization of my app happen _after_ all of the
>> IDE stacks have loaded.  When my stack is double clicked from the
>> desktop, my initialization code calls revloadedStacks() before the IDE
>> has loaded it and I am getting an execution error.
>
> I usually just put in a "send myHandler to me in 1 second" command in 
> an openStack handler on the first card. Then "myHandler" does whatever 
> needs doing. One second seems like enough time usually.
>




From prothero at earthednet.org  Wed Dec 24 13:42:29 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (William Prothero)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:42:29 -1000
Subject: Wondering about the bug reports in Standalone
In-Reply-To: <549A3BDF.8000603@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <35D76F05-7817-4901-BA1E-0348C778CE98@earthednet.org>
	<549A3BDF.8000603@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F5D43CC3-18AE-467E-8103-22C7133AAD5B@earthednet.org>

Jacqueline:
Thanks for the verification. I suspected as much. I have a php emailer on my server and can use that, but it?s been awhile, but that would probably be the best option. I?m on ?vacation? now, so the built-in option will suffice until I return to my work space.
Best,
Bill

On Dec 23, 2014, at 6:06 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On 12/23/2014 3:59 PM, William Prothero wrote:
>> Folks: I?m just now beta testing my application and love the bug
>> report system that the Standalone Maker automatically includes. I?m
>> wondering what the restrictions are in this. Does it require the
>> local user to have email set up? This app will be used in a lab
>> setting by a variety of students, so email may not be available. I
>> can set up an independent email bug reporting system, but for now,
>> I?d like to use the built-in one.
>> 
>> So, I?m wondering what local resources must be available for this to
>> work.
> 
> I use this in almost every app I build, it's handy and it works well. I usually choose the email option but if your users won't have that then the only other choice is to save the report to a file on disk. If it's a public/lab computer then it might be tricky for them to move that file off the computer and onto a device they can work with so they can send it to you.
> 
> The email option works by filling out the body of the email with the error report, and addressing the email to the address you've entered in standalone settings. The user only has to click the Send button. If you choose that option, and the computer is set up with an email account, it doesn't matter too much that the "from" address won't be the student. It will just get sent anyway. But if the computer isn't set up for email then it won't work.
> 
> If you can't use email or files, I think your only option is to build your own system.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 
> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 24 15:16:16 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 20:16:16 +0000
Subject: Livecode 6.7.0 Graphic Anomaly
Message-ID: <5E81DBEA-8CCA-45B0-9D52-9A4525F819D7@iotecdigital.com>

Hi all.

I finally came up with a reproducible scenario where I am getting gray bars when trying to select a control in 6.7.0. It looks like a display anomaly where the objects have moved when the card was loaded into memory but all the objects on the page have shifted up, probably because of some mistake I made with moving objects within groups, but that is not important now.

If I use the Application browser I can select the object, but it will look like it is trying to select where the object was before the move, then it selects the object where it actually is, and leaves a gray spot where the button was.

I think this is a bug with the new graphics rendering engine. http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14297

If anyone with this display anomaly thinks this is what they are seeing, chip in. I think posts about screen flashing and then crashing to desktop in renditions of version 7 may be one in the same issue.

Bob S




From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Dec 24 16:47:13 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 13:47:13 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOyBRNMoUD2ywurqX1BU9uwE-VR+nhsB6aicPok=RmMbA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Hugh, very nice.

I couldn't resist trying this using an SQLite database instead of the
preloaded data.  I created a database with one table named Places with one
column named Data that holds the preloaded data, then imported the
preloaded data into it.

The script changes were pretty minimal, just open the database at startup,
then instead of the filter command:

put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT Data FROM Places WHERE Data LIKE :1
ORDER BY Data","tSearch")

tSearch is the variable that holds the search string with "%" signs either
after or before/after depending on the wildcard setting.

The query takes an average of around 15 msecs vs the filter command taking
perhaps 2msecs but neither time is noticeable to a user.



Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:

> Over the years, people keep asking about how to implement 'display as you
> type' widget thang.
>
> So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
> flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and screenshots
> are available here...
>
> www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
>
> Hugh Senior
> FLCo
>
>
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From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Wed Dec 24 17:22:12 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 22:22:12 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<CAGDT7eOyBRNMoUD2ywurqX1BU9uwE-VR+nhsB6aicPok=RmMbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFE69VcZa3b3OsHonz0+WUFQxO=qEaxJemyo7BTphagX7Q@mail.gmail.com>

I wrote an sql based version of this for an abandoned iPad app - it
displays the results in a datagrid from where they can be edited or
deleted. If I find time in the next little while I'll package it up as a
demo.

Gerry
On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 at 8:47 am, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Thanks Hugh, very nice.
>
> I couldn't resist trying this using an SQLite database instead of the
> preloaded data.  I created a database with one table named Places with one
> column named Data that holds the preloaded data, then imported the
> preloaded data into it.
>
> The script changes were pretty minimal, just open the database at startup,
> then instead of the filter command:
>
> put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT Data FROM Places WHERE Data LIKE :1
> ORDER BY Data","tSearch")
>
> tSearch is the variable that holds the search string with "%" signs either
> after or before/after depending on the wildcard setting.
>
> The query takes an average of around 15 msecs vs the filter command taking
> perhaps 2msecs but neither time is noticeable to a user.
>
>
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
> admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:
>
> > Over the years, people keep asking about how to implement 'display as you
> > type' widget thang.
> >
> > So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
> > flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and
> screenshots
> > are available here...
> >
> > www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter
> >
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> >
> > Hugh Senior
> > FLCo
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Dec 24 18:53:23 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 15:53:23 -0800
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CAAxhhFE69VcZa3b3OsHonz0+WUFQxO=qEaxJemyo7BTphagX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<CAGDT7eOyBRNMoUD2ywurqX1BU9uwE-VR+nhsB6aicPok=RmMbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAxhhFE69VcZa3b3OsHonz0+WUFQxO=qEaxJemyo7BTphagX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNoUpwXiT_xrsFN1pWARsn-N7+Q9UDDM13WH9-T03+cOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds interesting, I think Skip was interested in using a filter with a
datagrid.

I went a bit further with my test by using an FTS3 table and the snippet
function to return the data.  The nice thing about that approach is that
the parameters to the snippet function include the html to use before and
after the matched text so I can skip the loop in the original code that
hilites the matched text.

Using that method, the time to display the results is about twice as fast
as the the original code but as before, the difference is not noticeable to
the user

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Gerry <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wrote an sql based version of this for an abandoned iPad app - it
> displays the results in a datagrid from where they can be edited or
> deleted. If I find time in the next little while I'll package it up as a
> demo.
>
> Gerry
> On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 at 8:47 am, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Hugh, very nice.
> >
> > I couldn't resist trying this using an SQLite database instead of the
> > preloaded data.  I created a database with one table named Places with
> one
> > column named Data that holds the preloaded data, then imported the
> > preloaded data into it.
> >
> > The script changes were pretty minimal, just open the database at
> startup,
> > then instead of the filter command:
> >
> > put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT Data FROM Places WHERE Data LIKE :1
> > ORDER BY Data","tSearch")
> >
> > tSearch is the variable that holds the search string with "%" signs
> either
> > after or before/after depending on the wildcard setting.
> >
> > The query takes an average of around 15 msecs vs the filter command
> taking
> > perhaps 2msecs but neither time is noticeable to a user.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
> > admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Over the years, people keep asking about how to implement 'display as
> you
> > > type' widget thang.
> > >
> > > So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
> > > flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and
> > screenshots
> > > are available here...
> > >
> > > www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter
> > >
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > >
> > > Hugh Senior
> > > FLCo
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-livecode mailing list
> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
> > >
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From jburtt at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 24 20:35:21 2014
From: jburtt at earthlink.net (John Burtt)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 17:35:21 -0800
Subject: visual effect not working to show stack
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1419418801.19821.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1.1419418801.19821.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A1CF2854-7913-4624-9550-1F5665D1B08D@earthlink.net>


I use animation engine to slide an opaque group into view. You can slide it from anywhere, to anywhere. Works perfectly, just like a drawer.

John B

> 
> No, I can't point to a version of LiveCode where this ever worked... I 
> was dreaming again (ha!)
> 
> So... it can't be done, except by these "messy" methods you describe.
> 
> I guess we will have to live without it. Too bad, as many modern UX 
> designs call for the "cool" appearance of content like this. And the 
> architecture would be best served by  keeping really disparate content 
> in different substacks. I will put in a feature request...
> 
> I suppose we could also go for building a group and then hiding and 
> showing that... if all we are presenting to the user is a set of 
> controls  or info like a help window or big giant calendar/date picker. 
> Again, this tends to overload the main stack when substacks would be a 
> better way to manage the content.
> 
> Or: use "sheet" and be content with the "drop from the top" default effect.
> 
> BR
> 
> Scott Rossi wrote:
>> I don't know that it has ever been possible to use a visual effect when launching a stack.  Can you point to a version of LiveCode where this works?
>> 
>> The only stack-level "effects" I've been able to manage are a dissolve-into-view effect by setting the stack's blendLevel from 100 to 0, expand/contract effects by repeatedly changing the stack's rect, or a morph-type effect by repeatedly chafing a stack's windowShape to a sequence of images.
>> 
>> There may be ways to fake the effect you're looking but they're a bit messy.  One way would be to capture the portion of the desktop where you intend to display your stack in a decoration-less stack.  You could reveal a snapshot of your real stack in the capture stack using whatever effect you want, display your real stack above the capture stack, then remove the capture stack from view using blendLevel of 100 and close.
>> 
>> Perhaps one of the above would work for you.
>> 



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu Dec 25 12:01:44 2014
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 09:01:44 -0800
Subject: Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <A56C0EE1C85E422DAE5BFF6904517A4F@GATEWAY>

Hello all,

However you say it, we at Paradigma Software wish our friends in the
LiveCode community a Merry Christmas!

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From kevin at stallibrass.com  Thu Dec 25 20:08:14 2014
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Stallibrass)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 01:08:14 +0000
Subject: Push notification issues
Message-ID: <90D1D503-01E3-48DF-A53E-4C3018A35076@stallibrass.com>

I've followed the lessons on runrev
 lessons.runrev.com/m/4069/l/53409
I've created and tested the relevant certificates and tried using APNsAssistant and while the certificates appear to check out OK, when I test an app on an iPhone, I have problems.
If I do not check the push notification button in standalone application settings, the app sales for permission to send push notifications but I cannot retrieve the device token using get mobileGetDeviceToken()
If I check the push notification button in standalone settings, I cannot install the app to my device with an error message "The executable was signed with invalid entitlements. The entitlements specified in your applications code does not match those specified in your provisioning profile (0xE8008016)
Is it necessary to select push notifications in the build settings?
Is there another way to get the device token?
And finally, is this even possible using the community version?

Regards
Kevin Stallibrass

Sent from my iPad


From gerry.orkin at gmail.com  Thu Dec 25 20:42:00 2014
From: gerry.orkin at gmail.com (Gerry)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 01:42:00 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<CAGDT7eOyBRNMoUD2ywurqX1BU9uwE-VR+nhsB6aicPok=RmMbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAxhhFE69VcZa3b3OsHonz0+WUFQxO=qEaxJemyo7BTphagX7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7eNoUpwXiT_xrsFN1pWARsn-N7+Q9UDDM13WH9-T03+cOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxhhFGKYLDqSNrzD+OcbuV4HM1_J_Wprt52FCZ0rb=-Ci8M9A@mail.gmail.com>

Video of my project (turn the sound off unless you like dogs barking):

http://quick.as/erqospn9

I just do:

"SELECT * FROM companytable where company_name like " && "'%"&searchText&"%'
order by company_name"

...then get the result in an array and pop it into the datagrid, updating
as the user types. It's fast enough on a 1000 record database - that's
about as big as the database would ever get on that project.


Gerry

On Thu Dec 25 2014 at 10:54:04 AM Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Sounds interesting, I think Skip was interested in using a filter with a
> datagrid.
>
> I went a bit further with my test by using an FTS3 table and the snippet
> function to return the data.  The nice thing about that approach is that
> the parameters to the snippet function include the html to use before and
> after the matched text so I can skip the loop in the original code that
> hilites the matched text.
>
> Using that method, the time to display the results is about twice as fast
> as the the original code but as before, the difference is not noticeable to
> the user
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Gerry <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I wrote an sql based version of this for an abandoned iPad app - it
> > displays the results in a datagrid from where they can be edited or
> > deleted. If I find time in the next little while I'll package it up as a
> > demo.
> >
> > Gerry
> > On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 at 8:47 am, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Hugh, very nice.
> > >
> > > I couldn't resist trying this using an SQLite database instead of the
> > > preloaded data.  I created a database with one table named Places with
> > one
> > > column named Data that holds the preloaded data, then imported the
> > > preloaded data into it.
> > >
> > > The script changes were pretty minimal, just open the database at
> > startup,
> > > then instead of the filter command:
> > >
> > > put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT Data FROM Places WHERE Data LIKE
> :1
> > > ORDER BY Data","tSearch")
> > >
> > > tSearch is the variable that holds the search string with "%" signs
> > either
> > > after or before/after depending on the wildcard setting.
> > >
> > > The query takes an average of around 15 msecs vs the filter command
> > taking
> > > perhaps 2msecs but neither time is noticeable to a user.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pete
> > > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> > > Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> > > SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
> > > admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Over the years, people keep asking about how to implement 'display as
> > you
> > > > type' widget thang.
> > > >
> > > > So as a Christmas gift to you all, TypingFilter for LiveCode is fast,
> > > > flexible and FREE. The download with example implementation and
> > > screenshots
> > > > are available here...
> > > >
> > > > www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hugh Senior
> > > > FLCo
> > > >
> > > >
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 09:55:22 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 16:55:22 +0200
Subject: Rotation and RGB values
Message-ID: <549D76DA.3010709@gmail.com>

Just a wee silly something:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0

File 'ww.zip'

Richmond.



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 11:56:00 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 09:56:00 -0700
Subject: Rotation and RGB values
In-Reply-To: <549D76DA.3010709@gmail.com>
References: <549D76DA.3010709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSotyYUA8XydXQS6KpossG8zDh0Q=Dbe50q+2TVr5YVK=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Nice!  Modified how the last knob color is set so you can see one of the
methods I came up with in action.

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Just a wee silly something:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0
>
> File 'ww.zip'
>
> Richmond.
>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 11:57:09 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 09:57:09 -0700
Subject: Rotation and RGB values
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSotyYUA8XydXQS6KpossG8zDh0Q=Dbe50q+2TVr5YVK=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549D76DA.3010709@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSotyYUA8XydXQS6KpossG8zDh0Q=Dbe50q+2TVr5YVK=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrwqGgNztbuny59fRc=WrrrxifkeDKaEJdRC-X-PBnz3g@mail.gmail.com>

Oops, link is here.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0u4nr3raforrhd/Which_Way.livecode?dl=0


On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nice!  Modified how the last knob color is set so you can see one of the
> methods I came up with in action.
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Just a wee silly something:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0
>>
>> File 'ww.zip'
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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>
>


From irog at mac.com  Fri Dec 26 12:05:07 2014
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 10:05:07 -0700
Subject: Rotation and RGB values
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrwqGgNztbuny59fRc=WrrrxifkeDKaEJdRC-X-PBnz3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <549D76DA.3010709@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSotyYUA8XydXQS6KpossG8zDh0Q=Dbe50q+2TVr5YVK=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrwqGgNztbuny59fRc=WrrrxifkeDKaEJdRC-X-PBnz3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8370E322-6EFB-4841-B910-6D380708A964@mac.com>

And, if you frame your scrollbarDrag script with lock and unlock screen, it works quite smoothly!

Roger




> On Dec 26, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oops, link is here.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0u4nr3raforrhd/Which_Way.livecode?dl=0
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Nice!  Modified how the last knob color is set so you can see one of the
>> methods I came up with in action.
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just a wee silly something:
>>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0
>>> 
>>> File 'ww.zip'
>>> 
>>> Richmond.
>>> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 14:32:01 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 12:32:01 -0700
Subject: Rotation and RGB values
In-Reply-To: <8370E322-6EFB-4841-B910-6D380708A964@mac.com>
References: <549D76DA.3010709@gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSotyYUA8XydXQS6KpossG8zDh0Q=Dbe50q+2TVr5YVK=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrwqGgNztbuny59fRc=WrrrxifkeDKaEJdRC-X-PBnz3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<8370E322-6EFB-4841-B910-6D380708A964@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqwJ=EAdVZLohJ0dj3+dR-LdbUZb=vMwfVXpvi_TEr58Q@mail.gmail.com>

Tweaked it a bit, added an autophase button and got the framerate up a
little. Wish I had design skills, I'm so envious of those who can make
things pretty.

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> And, if you frame your scrollbarDrag script with lock and unlock screen,
> it works quite smoothly!
>
> Roger
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 26, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oops, link is here.
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0u4nr3raforrhd/Which_Way.livecode?dl=0
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Nice!  Modified how the last knob color is set so you can see one of the
> >> methods I came up with in action.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just a wee silly something:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ja47l87gg87sn0q/AAAIj99kEQVOb8ev3jz8C5ORa?dl=0
> >>>
> >>> File 'ww.zip'
> >>>
> >>> Richmond.
> >>>
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> >>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Dec 26 15:31:44 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:31:44 -0600
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
In-Reply-To: <549AFE94.5020901@gmail.com>
References: <5499D411.2020207@gmail.com> <549A3C81.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<549AFE94.5020901@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549DC5B0.2020800@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/24/2014 11:57 AM, Michael Doub wrote:
> I have tried that but I need to process the resumeStack message which
> seems to get called as part of the startup process.

Resumestack shouldn't be sent normally when a stack opens. There's a 
difference between starting up a standalone and starting the IDE though; 
it may be that some of the IDE stacks need to deal with resumestack. But 
your own stack shouldn't need to.

> I guess I have to
> manually set a global flag and have the timed handler unblock the
> flag.   What is the very first handler that an application can process?
> Startup?

Again, it depends. In a standalone the first message is startup. The 
stack isn't fully loaded at that point so you can't manipulate stack or 
card objects yet but you can set global properties there.

But in the IDE, LiveCode itself catches the startup message and your 
stack will never receive it. The first message your stack will get is 
preOpenStack.


> Is there an ordered list of messages that are fired for startup and
> opening a stack?  Opening a card would be useful too.   I can't say that
> I have ever seen this anywhere in the documentation.

It follows the normal message path in reverse, starting with the stack 
messages followed by background group messages and then card messages. 
If there are card groups on the first card, they get sent last.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From ethanlish at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 16:35:29 2014
From: ethanlish at gmail.com (Ethan Lish)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 13:35:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Notification (push and local)
Message-ID: <1419629728585.bcdd7d0c@Nodemailer>

Developers,

There are a number of features available via the notification facility which do not appear to be exposed to the livecode developer either through the native language or externals


Of specific interest is the newly evolving area of push actions
https://developer.apple.com/notifications/


Any inside information on near term plans in this area ?


Anyone have or plan on building an external in this space ?


Appreciate your assistance?


Thanks
Ethan

?
Ethan at Lish.net240.876.1389

From bonnmike at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 16:38:15 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 14:38:15 -0700
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
In-Reply-To: <549DC5B0.2020800@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <5499D411.2020207@gmail.com> <549A3C81.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<549AFE94.5020901@gmail.com> <549DC5B0.2020800@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSqc-OWtW_hvomP=gC2wyU6KhWUbTdviRbyb3-sZCv+mdg@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like the IDE load order is this:
System params are checked
libraries loaded
globals set
preferences set
icons loaded
patterns loaded
script editor loaded
user icon libraries loaded
error management loaded
tools loaded
menu bar loaded
app overview loaded
message box loaded
debugger loaded
quicktime loaded
plugins loaded
then "revInternail_InitializeFinalSteps..
after that, there are still a couple things such as checking the license
being used (community etc) and setting some os specific parameters.  The
very last thing (it seems) is the line "set the allowinterrupts to true"

You can see this info in the script of stack home.rev, handler
revInternal_openStack.  Wonder if there is something in that script you can
check to determine if the IDE is far enough along to do the things you
need.


On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 12/24/2014 11:57 AM, Michael Doub wrote:
>
>> I have tried that but I need to process the resumeStack message which
>> seems to get called as part of the startup process.
>>
>
> Resumestack shouldn't be sent normally when a stack opens. There's a
> difference between starting up a standalone and starting the IDE though; it
> may be that some of the IDE stacks need to deal with resumestack. But your
> own stack shouldn't need to.
>
>  I guess I have to
>> manually set a global flag and have the timed handler unblock the
>> flag.   What is the very first handler that an application can process?
>> Startup?
>>
>
> Again, it depends. In a standalone the first message is startup. The stack
> isn't fully loaded at that point so you can't manipulate stack or card
> objects yet but you can set global properties there.
>
> But in the IDE, LiveCode itself catches the startup message and your stack
> will never receive it. The first message your stack will get is
> preOpenStack.
>
>
>  Is there an ordered list of messages that are fired for startup and
>> opening a stack?  Opening a card would be useful too.   I can't say that
>> I have ever seen this anywhere in the documentation.
>>
>
> It follows the normal message path in reverse, starting with the stack
> messages followed by background group messages and then card messages. If
> there are card groups on the first card, they get sent last.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From pderocco at ix.netcom.com  Fri Dec 26 18:53:16 2014
From: pderocco at ix.netcom.com (Paul D. DeRocco)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2014 15:53:16 -0800
Subject: Your installer is broken
Message-ID: <421724AF874941148FFB9563B6F0614A@PAULD>

While I was using LiveCode, I was informed of a 7.0.1 update. The text box
showed the following text:

    Stable: The release has been through a full
    testing cycle and is deemed stable.
    Maintenance: The release is the previous stable
    release with fixes ready for testing.
    Beta: The release contains new features which
    are complete and ready for testing.
    Development: The release contains untested
    new features.

My initial reaction was, "So, which is it?" It was a moment before I
realized I was looking at the end of a long update description, and had to
scroll all the way back to the top to find out that it's a stable release.
The text box really ought to positioned at the beginning, not the end.
That's just a very minor issue. But then...

I closed LiveCode and selected Update Now, and it began to download rather
slowly. When it was done, it said "Installation Failed", with the
explanation, "Could not launch downloaded installer: not opened". I
clicked Retry, and it switched to "Ready to Install", saying that it will
"Install LiveCode to: C:/Program Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community
6.6.3" etc.

First of all, if it downloaded the installer, why did it say that it had
failed? Second of all, why is it offering to install it in the LiveCode
Community 6.6.3 folder, when it's LiveCode 7.0.1? (And third, why is it
using forward slashes on Windows?)
 
Rather than click "Install", I clicked "Back". Rather than go "back", it
went to "Select Installation Type", so I clicked "Custom" and "Continue",
and it switched to "Customize". I clicked the magnifying glass icon next
to the installation folder name (still 6.6.3), and it popped up
"Libraries\Documents". That's not a valid place to install anything, so I
had to navigate to my C: drive and drill down to where I wanted to put it.
I tried selecting "C:\Program Files (x86)\RunRev" as the installation
directory, and it simply opened that folder, showing me "LiveCode
Community 6.6.3". Why can't I just put it into "C:\Program Files
(x86)\RunRev"?

So I created a LiveCode folder under RunRev and selected it, and it went
back to "Customize", showing "C:/Program Files
(x86)/RunRev/LiveCode/LiveCode". Why two "LiveCode" folders? Where did
that come from?

I clicked the magnifying glass again, deleted the LiveCode folder that I
had created, and created a "LiveCode Community 7.0.1" folder under RunRev
and selected it. It switched back to "Customize", showing "C:/Program
Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community". What happened to the "7.0.1"?

I figured, this is the best I could do so I clicked "Continue". It
switched to "Ready to Install", and said that it would install in
"C:/Program Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community 7.0.1/LiveCode Community
6.6.3". At this point, I decided to stick with the 6.6.3 installation I've
already got. Please let us know when you have a "stable release" of the
installer, because this one barely qualifies as a beta.

-- 

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco at ix.netcom.com 
 




From mikedoub at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 11:12:19 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 11:12:19 -0500
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSqc-OWtW_hvomP=gC2wyU6KhWUbTdviRbyb3-sZCv+mdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5499D411.2020207@gmail.com>
	<549A3C81.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>	<549AFE94.5020901@gmail.com>
	<549DC5B0.2020800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqc-OWtW_hvomP=gC2wyU6KhWUbTdviRbyb3-sZCv+mdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549EDA63.3040504@gmail.com>

Jacqueline and Mike, thanks for you help with this.

Just to clarify,  I am trying to solve the problem in the environment 
where livecode is not running and the user double clicks on the 
MasterLibrary stack.   This is not a standalone program but a stack that 
is being started from the desktop.  I am testing on a Mac, but I need to 
test on a PC to see if the behavior is any different.

Mike, I think you gave me a great clue.   The current logic in the 
MasterLibrary is one where the preopenstack handler puts up a splash 
screen and sends off a wakeup message to come back in 5 seconds.  I was 
quite surprised to see how long it actually took the IDE to get 
initialized.  This is way too long to wait if livecode is already up and 
running.

I added some debug code to display the allowinterupt state and found 
that at the time my preopenstack handler messages gets called 
allowinterupts is false, but in my wakeup hander the allowinterupts is 
true.  This leads me to believe that I can monitor the allowinterupts at 
a faster frequency and do the actual wake up processing when I see it go 
true.

Regards,
     Mike


On 12/26/14 4:38 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> It looks like the IDE load order is this:
> System params are checked
> libraries loaded
> globals set
> preferences set
> icons loaded
> patterns loaded
> script editor loaded
> user icon libraries loaded
> error management loaded
> tools loaded
> menu bar loaded
> app overview loaded
> message box loaded
> debugger loaded
> quicktime loaded
> plugins loaded
> then "revInternail_InitializeFinalSteps..
> after that, there are still a couple things such as checking the license
> being used (community etc) and setting some os specific parameters.  The
> very last thing (it seems) is the line "set the allowinterrupts to true"
>
> You can see this info in the script of stack home.rev, handler
> revInternal_openStack.  Wonder if there is something in that script you can
> check to determine if the IDE is far enough along to do the things you
> need.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/24/2014 11:57 AM, Michael Doub wrote:
>>
>>> I have tried that but I need to process the resumeStack message which
>>> seems to get called as part of the startup process.
>>>
>> Resumestack shouldn't be sent normally when a stack opens. There's a
>> difference between starting up a standalone and starting the IDE though; it
>> may be that some of the IDE stacks need to deal with resumestack. But your
>> own stack shouldn't need to.
>>
>>   I guess I have to
>>> manually set a global flag and have the timed handler unblock the
>>> flag.   What is the very first handler that an application can process?
>>> Startup?
>>>
>> Again, it depends. In a standalone the first message is startup. The stack
>> isn't fully loaded at that point so you can't manipulate stack or card
>> objects yet but you can set global properties there.
>>
>> But in the IDE, LiveCode itself catches the startup message and your stack
>> will never receive it. The first message your stack will get is
>> preOpenStack.
>>
>>
>>   Is there an ordered list of messages that are fired for startup and
>>> opening a stack?  Opening a card would be useful too.   I can't say that
>>> I have ever seen this anywhere in the documentation.
>>>
>> It follows the normal message path in reverse, starting with the stack
>> messages followed by background group messages and then card messages. If
>> there are card groups on the first card, they get sent last.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Dec 27 11:29:05 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:29:05 -0600
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
In-Reply-To: <549EDA63.3040504@gmail.com>
References: <5499D411.2020207@gmail.com> <549A3C81.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<549AFE94.5020901@gmail.com> <549DC5B0.2020800@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAG1cpSqc-OWtW_hvomP=gC2wyU6KhWUbTdviRbyb3-sZCv+mdg@mail.gmail.com>
	<549EDA63.3040504@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFD5D347-6E14-4366-A7E8-D6005B4BB367@hyperactivesw.com>

I'm confused. LiveCode knows how to open a stack as part of its startup routine. Since  card 1 is always opened first, a preopenstack handler there will always fire and you can do your setup there from that card without worrying about timing. 

On December 27, 2014 10:12:19 AM CST, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
>Jacqueline and Mike, thanks for you help with this.
>
>Just to clarify,  I am trying to solve the problem in the environment 
>where livecode is not running and the user double clicks on the 
>MasterLibrary stack.   This is not a standalone program but a stack
>that 
>is being started from the desktop.  I am testing on a Mac, but I need
>to 
>test on a PC to see if the behavior is any different.
>
>Mike, I think you gave me a great clue.   The current logic in the 
>MasterLibrary is one where the preopenstack handler puts up a splash 
>screen and sends off a wakeup message to come back in 5 seconds.  I was
>
>quite surprised to see how long it actually took the IDE to get 
>initialized.  This is way too long to wait if livecode is already up
>and 
>running.
>
>I added some debug code to display the allowinterupt state and found 
>that at the time my preopenstack handler messages gets called 
>allowinterupts is false, but in my wakeup hander the allowinterupts is 
>true.  This leads me to believe that I can monitor the allowinterupts
>at 
>a faster frequency and do the actual wake up processing when I see it
>go 
>true.
>
>Regards,
>     Mike
>
>
>On 12/26/14 4:38 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>> It looks like the IDE load order is this:
>> System params are checked
>> libraries loaded
>> globals set
>> preferences set
>> icons loaded
>> patterns loaded
>> script editor loaded
>> user icon libraries loaded
>> error management loaded
>> tools loaded
>> menu bar loaded
>> app overview loaded
>> message box loaded
>> debugger loaded
>> quicktime loaded
>> plugins loaded
>> then "revInternail_InitializeFinalSteps..
>> after that, there are still a couple things such as checking the
>license
>> being used (community etc) and setting some os specific parameters. 
>The
>> very last thing (it seems) is the line "set the allowinterrupts to
>true"
>>
>> You can see this info in the script of stack home.rev, handler
>> revInternal_openStack.  Wonder if there is something in that script
>you can
>> check to determine if the IDE is far enough along to do the things
>you
>> need.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay
><jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/24/2014 11:57 AM, Michael Doub wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have tried that but I need to process the resumeStack message
>which
>>>> seems to get called as part of the startup process.
>>>>
>>> Resumestack shouldn't be sent normally when a stack opens. There's a
>>> difference between starting up a standalone and starting the IDE
>though; it
>>> may be that some of the IDE stacks need to deal with resumestack.
>But your
>>> own stack shouldn't need to.
>>>
>>>   I guess I have to
>>>> manually set a global flag and have the timed handler unblock the
>>>> flag.   What is the very first handler that an application can
>process?
>>>> Startup?
>>>>
>>> Again, it depends. In a standalone the first message is startup. The
>stack
>>> isn't fully loaded at that point so you can't manipulate stack or
>card
>>> objects yet but you can set global properties there.
>>>
>>> But in the IDE, LiveCode itself catches the startup message and your
>stack
>>> will never receive it. The first message your stack will get is
>>> preOpenStack.
>>>
>>>
>>>   Is there an ordered list of messages that are fired for startup
>and
>>>> opening a stack?  Opening a card would be useful too.   I can't say
>that
>>>> I have ever seen this anywhere in the documentation.
>>>>
>>> It follows the normal message path in reverse, starting with the
>stack
>>> messages followed by background group messages and then card
>messages. If
>>> there are card groups on the first card, they get sent last.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 11:50:24 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:50:24 -0800
Subject: Clearing the font of field contents
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFQ33ATM95K9DJe2_86Bis581yS=wEfcv3uy7aAVztEsg@mail.gmail.com>

I am having trouble clearing the textfont of the contents of field.

I have tried

         set the textFont of word 1 to -1 of  the text of fld i to empty

and

         set the textFont of word 1 to -1 of  the text of fld i to empty

but both generate errors.

I want to set the font by field after pasting it in from external sources
(pasting is already done)

What am I missing?

Thanks
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From martyknappster at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 12:02:50 2014
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:02:50 -0800
Subject: Clearing the font of field contents
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFQ33ATM95K9DJe2_86Bis581yS=wEfcv3uy7aAVztEsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFQ33ATM95K9DJe2_86Bis581yS=wEfcv3uy7aAVztEsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549EE63A.70309@gmail.com>

Just use "set the textFont of word 1 to -1 of fld i to empty" you don't 
want "the text of" in there.

When I want to clear any fonts/sizes after a paste I use "put me into 
me" in a closeField script.


Marty Knapp
> I am having trouble clearing the textfont of the contents of field.
>
> I have tried
>
>           set the textFont of word 1 to -1 of  the text of fld i to empty
>
> and
>
>           set the textFont of word 1 to -1 of  the text of fld i to empty
>
> but both generate errors.
>
> I want to set the font by field after pasting it in from external sources
> (pasting is already done)
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Thanks




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 12:03:34 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 10:03:34 -0700
Subject: Clearing the font of field contents
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFQ33ATM95K9DJe2_86Bis581yS=wEfcv3uy7aAVztEsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFQ33ATM95K9DJe2_86Bis581yS=wEfcv3uy7aAVztEsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrebg+EMQ7V+gy7Yj7B_rak1+c1fX_rPC3QbM4XuLe6FQ@mail.gmail.com>

You're trying to set the property of a proprety.  "the text of fld..." is a
property, so if you just do "set the textfont of word 1 to -1 of field i to
empty, I think it should work.

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am having trouble clearing the textfont of the contents of field.
>
> I have tried
>
>          set the textFont of word 1 to -1 of  the text of fld i to empty
>
> and
>
>          set the textFont of word 1 to -1 of  the text of fld i to empty
>
> but both generate errors.
>
> I want to set the font by field after pasting it in from external sources
> (pasting is already done)
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Thanks
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 12:37:36 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 12:37:36 -0500
Subject: I didn't know this...
Message-ID: <0BB1E2E7-312C-4347-B2E4-67495215341A@gmail.com>

Other people may already know this, but I just discovered that you can do something like:

put "12.34.56.78" into p
replace "." with empty in char 4 to -1 of p

and sure enough, you get "12.345678"

I did not know that the replace command can work on a chunk within a variable. The documentation doesn't reflect this.

It only takes small things to make me happy.  :-)

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From dochawk at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 12:43:58 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:43:58 -0800
Subject: Clearing the font of field contents
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrebg+EMQ7V+gy7Yj7B_rak1+c1fX_rPC3QbM4XuLe6FQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFQ33ATM95K9DJe2_86Bis581yS=wEfcv3uy7aAVztEsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrebg+EMQ7V+gy7Yj7B_rak1+c1fX_rPC3QbM4XuLe6FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSEfOVbaNCfKf1_GxmKVThpCfRgo9Wra4_gfkax=WE3rXA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> You're trying to set the property of a proprety.  "the text of fld..." is a
> property, so if you just do "set the textfont of word 1 to -1 of field i to
> empty, I think it should work.
>

Ahh.  I see.

*duh*

:)

Thank you both


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dunbarx at aol.com  Sat Dec 27 13:46:21 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:46:21 -0500
Subject: I didn't know this...
In-Reply-To: <0BB1E2E7-312C-4347-B2E4-67495215341A@gmail.com>
References: <0BB1E2E7-312C-4347-B2E4-67495215341A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1F01C8AB86C92-BD8-515A@webmail-m295.sysops.aol.com>





-----Original Message-----
From: Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 12:38 pm
Subject: I didn't know this...


Other people may already know this, but I just discovered that you can do 
something like:

put "12.34.56.78" into p
replace "." with empty in char 4 to -1 of p

and sure enough, you get "12.345678"

I did not know that the replace command can work on a chunk within a variable. 
The documentation doesn't reflect this.

It only takes small things to make me happy.  :-)

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


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From dunbarx at aol.com  Sat Dec 27 13:54:19 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:54:19 -0500
Subject: I didn't know this...
In-Reply-To: <0BB1E2E7-312C-4347-B2E4-67495215341A@gmail.com>
References: <0BB1E2E7-312C-4347-B2E4-67495215341A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1F01DA7BFDA14-BD8-51A7@webmail-m295.sysops.aol.com>

Hi,


The beauty of xTalk chunking expressions is that they do just this sort of thing. So if you had:


"ABCDEFG" in a field 1, you can just as easily:


-- replace "D" with empty in fld 1
-- delete char 4 of fld 1


or:


set the itemDel to "D"
put item 1 of fld 1 & item 2 of fld 1 into fld 1


Using the "offset" function would work as well, but is qualitatively different than chunking.


All depends on how you want to go about it. Thank the parsers. They understand how human beings think.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter M. Brigham <pmbrig at gmail.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 27, 2014 12:38 pm
Subject: I didn't know this...


Other people may already know this, but I just discovered that you can do 
something like:

put "12.34.56.78" into p
replace "." with empty in char 4 to -1 of p

and sure enough, you get "12.345678"

I did not know that the replace command can work on a chunk within a variable. 
The documentation doesn't reflect this.

It only takes small things to make me happy.  :-)

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


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From andre at andregarzia.com  Sat Dec 27 14:29:30 2014
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 17:29:30 -0200
Subject: Andre Garcia's FacebookLib
In-Reply-To: <CAAxhhFFSJMsJmQJkJZ6uCoUG=zp1QPWfBKKRZ9zXDtoNEkKTbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxhhFGu3Z0NMoRyoL8YunuzMFh0sAhLyd7CCoFD4_K6jAkMGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912789.70109@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CAAxhhFG1UXuW_u9dtXoEzQzMNdiu92+QoxV9KsT2HPH9dPjvtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<54912D3A.1010203@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CANQHZSF8wiAjYiUq8_9d-afX=i7CQHvd43Rqg-38gyXOzGU3MA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2664FDC7-23BC-405E-8617-E5EFEF1A1AC6@iotecdigital.com>
	<1418834388185-4686886.post@n4.nabble.com>
	<D07F7EAA-5321-4334-938F-9C2CF3ECF03A@iotecdigital.com>
	<D0B7936A.7A169%kevin@livecode.com>
	<CAAxhhFH8Y8XqdPejvSs0xDfKZpsZknKFizvc7JJdrKLprVmOBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAxhhFFSJMsJmQJkJZ6uCoUG=zp1QPWfBKKRZ9zXDtoNEkKTbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF3jwTkoVRnhos_7yv2hX2Y4utL0i-QYJaEeN0Nj6XQfjn=3cA@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

Just to clarify here. I've responded to Gerry. There was nothing wrong with
the library, no change was needed. Facebook changed their setup and now the
dashboard looks different and some settings changed places. Thats all.

As usual, all my libraries are dual licensed and unlocked. One can usually
find out if the bug is with the library or something else by using the
debugging tools available in LiveCode. In this case, authentication
required configuration on FB dashboard.

I dual license the libraries so that people can try, test and explore
before buying. Also unlocked libraries allow you to tweak things to suit
your needs. Sometimes you need a change that I am not willing to retrofit
back into the library. Without unlocked source code, you would not be able
to do it. There is power in unlocked libraries :-)

Cheers
andre


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Gerry <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Andre has responded. So hopefully the issue will be sorted out soon.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 at 7:15 am, Gerry <gerry.orkin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob, it's not a LiveCode version problem. Facebook has changed something
> > in the way they do authentication. Andre needs to update the library.
> >
> > Gerry
> > On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 at 7:11 am, Kevin Miller <kevin at livecode.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We do monitor this list. However as ever our focus has to be on
> >> ?actionable intelligence?, I.e. bug reports filed in the QA center with
> a
> >> recipe. We?re extremely active responding on there.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
> >> LiveCode: Everyone can create apps
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 17/12/2014 19:19, "Bob Sneidar" <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Mine experience has been good as well. And I *really* like Livecode,
> so I
> >> >try to refrain from openly criticizing their work, and cringe when I
> see
> >> >others doing so. I think what they have produced is nothing short of
> >> >spectacular. I am not a ?software developer? by *any* means, and yet I
> >> >have produced at least two functional apps for use internally that both
> >> >have promise if I decide to commercially distribute them.
> >> >
> >> >Bob S
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On Dec 17, 2014, at 08:39 , Dave Kilroy <dave at applicationinsight.com
> >
> >> >>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Bob, I certainly hope not! My experience of customer support from
> >> >>RunRev is
> >> >> that is has been uniformly excellent and their helpfulness compares
> >> very
> >> >> well with most other companies...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Bob Sneidar-2 wrote
> >> >>> Thank goodness the software engineers do *NOT* monitor this list.
> They
> >> >>> would likely have become severely depressed by the criticism here,
> and
> >> >>>all
> >> >>> given up out of despair and depression. They would probably be in
> >> >>>therapy
> >> >>> by now.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----
> >> >> "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding
> thrust
> >> >>upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Senior
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> View this message in context:
> >> >>http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Andre-Garci
> >> a-s-FacebookLib
> >> >>-tp4686859p4686886.html
> >> >> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >>
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From kevin at stallibrass.com  Sat Dec 27 20:42:33 2014
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Stallibrass)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 01:42:33 +0000
Subject: Learning about server
Message-ID: <86C04C56-C847-4C19-95AA-D6979F0F2DF7@stallibrass.com>

Hello John,
Please forgive this unsolicited mail, but I'm about at my wits end trying to send push notifications using livecode server and noticed in your post that you may be putting together something that might help. 
Have you published anything and if so, where can I buy a copy?

Regards
Kevin Stallibrass

Sent from my iPad


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 20:42:49 2014
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 09:42:49 +0800
Subject: I didn't know this...
In-Reply-To: <0BB1E2E7-312C-4347-B2E4-67495215341A@gmail.com>
References: <0BB1E2E7-312C-4347-B2E4-67495215341A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+uh5kgj17gb9mVvBVPDGae8uqsRt8-YbnYN_K0_3O9NK5YDKw@mail.gmail.com>

Nice :-)

This isn't limited to variables but for works for fields as well.

Taken the liberty of entering an Enhancement Request - 14311 - that the
Dictionary entry be amended to include your example and note that replace
can also be used on chunks within a container, not just the entire
container.


From gcanyon at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 01:44:49 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 22:44:49 -0800
Subject: I didn't know this...
In-Reply-To: <CA+uh5kgj17gb9mVvBVPDGae8uqsRt8-YbnYN_K0_3O9NK5YDKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0BB1E2E7-312C-4347-B2E4-67495215341A@gmail.com>
	<CA+uh5kgj17gb9mVvBVPDGae8uqsRt8-YbnYN_K0_3O9NK5YDKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtpnYq8aAFrOBK0mgNYvT+D4uP2rLpzOUk0UQjSJ9rQJqQ@mail.gmail.com>

It's too bad this won't work:

   put "bob carol ted alice" into S
   replace "c" with "x" in char 1 of each word of S
   put S -- puts "bob xarol ted alice"


On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nice :-)
>
> This isn't limited to variables but for works for fields as well.
>
> Taken the liberty of entering an Enhancement Request - 14311 - that the
> Dictionary entry be amended to include your example and note that replace
> can also be used on chunks within a container, not just the entire
> container.
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec 28 03:17:29 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 02:17:29 -0600
Subject: Your installer is broken
In-Reply-To: <421724AF874941148FFB9563B6F0614A@PAULD>
References: <421724AF874941148FFB9563B6F0614A@PAULD>
Message-ID: <1FEBD592-F207-473E-8C65-1C4A6FD17B4E@hyperactivesw.com>

On Windows the installer will create a folder inside the location you select, so that's why you saw two LiveCode folders (the one you made and the one the installer made.) Also, all file paths use forward slashes in LiveCode so that's why those were there. 

I'm not sure why you'd get the first installation failure. I can only guess that the OS was doing some housekeeping on the download when the installer was supposed to launch. After a brief delay it was ready. 

It's normal to see the contents of a folder when you choose it in the file selector. You should be able to just choose the one that is currently selected and install there, regardless of what you see in the content area. 

On December 26, 2014 5:53:16 PM CST, "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>While I was using LiveCode, I was informed of a 7.0.1 update. The text
>box
>showed the following text:
>
>    Stable: The release has been through a full
>    testing cycle and is deemed stable.
>    Maintenance: The release is the previous stable
>    release with fixes ready for testing.
>    Beta: The release contains new features which
>    are complete and ready for testing.
>    Development: The release contains untested
>    new features.
>
>My initial reaction was, "So, which is it?" It was a moment before I
>realized I was looking at the end of a long update description, and had
>to
>scroll all the way back to the top to find out that it's a stable
>release.
>The text box really ought to positioned at the beginning, not the end.
>That's just a very minor issue. But then...
>
>I closed LiveCode and selected Update Now, and it began to download
>rather
>slowly. When it was done, it said "Installation Failed", with the
>explanation, "Could not launch downloaded installer: not opened". I
>clicked Retry, and it switched to "Ready to Install", saying that it
>will
>"Install LiveCode to: C:/Program Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community
>6.6.3" etc.
>
>First of all, if it downloaded the installer, why did it say that it
>had
>failed? Second of all, why is it offering to install it in the LiveCode
>Community 6.6.3 folder, when it's LiveCode 7.0.1? (And third, why is it
>using forward slashes on Windows?)
> 
>Rather than click "Install", I clicked "Back". Rather than go "back",
>it
>went to "Select Installation Type", so I clicked "Custom" and
>"Continue",
>and it switched to "Customize". I clicked the magnifying glass icon
>next
>to the installation folder name (still 6.6.3), and it popped up
>"Libraries\Documents". That's not a valid place to install anything, so
>I
>had to navigate to my C: drive and drill down to where I wanted to put
>it.
>I tried selecting "C:\Program Files (x86)\RunRev" as the installation
>directory, and it simply opened that folder, showing me "LiveCode
>Community 6.6.3". Why can't I just put it into "C:\Program Files
>(x86)\RunRev"?
>
>So I created a LiveCode folder under RunRev and selected it, and it
>went
>back to "Customize", showing "C:/Program Files
>(x86)/RunRev/LiveCode/LiveCode". Why two "LiveCode" folders? Where did
>that come from?
>
>I clicked the magnifying glass again, deleted the LiveCode folder that
>I
>had created, and created a "LiveCode Community 7.0.1" folder under
>RunRev
>and selected it. It switched back to "Customize", showing "C:/Program
>Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community". What happened to the "7.0.1"?
>
>I figured, this is the best I could do so I clicked "Continue". It
>switched to "Ready to Install", and said that it would install in
>"C:/Program Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community 7.0.1/LiveCode
>Community
>6.6.3". At this point, I decided to stick with the 6.6.3 installation
>I've
>already got. Please let us know when you have a "stable release" of the
>installer, because this one barely qualifies as a beta.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 09:48:23 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:48:23 -0700
Subject: I didn't know this...
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I too would prefer this way because its the livecode readable way.  While
this particular one is a pretty simple regex-- put
replacetext(tNames,"(\bc)","x") it would get complicated way too fast
depending on need.  A for each loop would be fine and work fast also, but I
personally wouldn't mind your idea being a feature request.

On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's too bad this won't work:
>
>    put "bob carol ted alice" into S
>    replace "c" with "x" in char 1 of each word of S
>    put S -- puts "bob xarol ted alice"
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Nice :-)
> >
> > This isn't limited to variables but for works for fields as well.
> >
> > Taken the liberty of entering an Enhancement Request - 14311 - that the
> > Dictionary entry be amended to include your example and note that replace
> > can also be used on chunks within a container, not just the entire
> > container.
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 09:54:33 2014
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter M. Brigham)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 09:54:33 -0500
Subject: I didn't know this...
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On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:54 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> The beauty of xTalk chunking expressions is that they do just this sort of thing. So if you had:
> 
> 
> "ABCDEFG" in a field 1, you can just as easily:
> 
> 
> -- replace "D" with empty in fld 1
> -- delete char 4 of fld 1

Yeah, that stuff is basic. I do text manipulation up, down, and sideways, but I never discovered that replace works on chunks.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Sun Dec 28 10:12:10 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:12:10 -0500
Subject: Your installer is broken
In-Reply-To: <1FEBD592-F207-473E-8C65-1C4A6FD17B4E@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <421724AF874941148FFB9563B6F0614A@PAULD>
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I launched 6.7 and the updater offered to install 7.0.1 for OS X.  I
allowed it to download, but then the wording on screen scared me.  It said
this will replace your current installation of 6.7, so I bailed.

~Roger
On Dec 28, 2014 3:17 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> On Windows the installer will create a folder inside the location you
> select, so that's why you saw two LiveCode folders (the one you made and
> the one the installer made.) Also, all file paths use forward slashes in
> LiveCode so that's why those were there.
>
> I'm not sure why you'd get the first installation failure. I can only
> guess that the OS was doing some housekeeping on the download when the
> installer was supposed to launch. After a brief delay it was ready.
>
> It's normal to see the contents of a folder when you choose it in the file
> selector. You should be able to just choose the one that is currently
> selected and install there, regardless of what you see in the content area.
>
> On December 26, 2014 5:53:16 PM CST, "Paul D. DeRocco" <
> pderocco at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >While I was using LiveCode, I was informed of a 7.0.1 update. The text
> >box
> >showed the following text:
> >
> >    Stable: The release has been through a full
> >    testing cycle and is deemed stable.
> >    Maintenance: The release is the previous stable
> >    release with fixes ready for testing.
> >    Beta: The release contains new features which
> >    are complete and ready for testing.
> >    Development: The release contains untested
> >    new features.
> >
> >My initial reaction was, "So, which is it?" It was a moment before I
> >realized I was looking at the end of a long update description, and had
> >to
> >scroll all the way back to the top to find out that it's a stable
> >release.
> >The text box really ought to positioned at the beginning, not the end.
> >That's just a very minor issue. But then...
> >
> >I closed LiveCode and selected Update Now, and it began to download
> >rather
> >slowly. When it was done, it said "Installation Failed", with the
> >explanation, "Could not launch downloaded installer: not opened". I
> >clicked Retry, and it switched to "Ready to Install", saying that it
> >will
> >"Install LiveCode to: C:/Program Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community
> >6.6.3" etc.
> >
> >First of all, if it downloaded the installer, why did it say that it
> >had
> >failed? Second of all, why is it offering to install it in the LiveCode
> >Community 6.6.3 folder, when it's LiveCode 7.0.1? (And third, why is it
> >using forward slashes on Windows?)
> >
> >Rather than click "Install", I clicked "Back". Rather than go "back",
> >it
> >went to "Select Installation Type", so I clicked "Custom" and
> >"Continue",
> >and it switched to "Customize". I clicked the magnifying glass icon
> >next
> >to the installation folder name (still 6.6.3), and it popped up
> >"Libraries\Documents". That's not a valid place to install anything, so
> >I
> >had to navigate to my C: drive and drill down to where I wanted to put
> >it.
> >I tried selecting "C:\Program Files (x86)\RunRev" as the installation
> >directory, and it simply opened that folder, showing me "LiveCode
> >Community 6.6.3". Why can't I just put it into "C:\Program Files
> >(x86)\RunRev"?
> >
> >So I created a LiveCode folder under RunRev and selected it, and it
> >went
> >back to "Customize", showing "C:/Program Files
> >(x86)/RunRev/LiveCode/LiveCode". Why two "LiveCode" folders? Where did
> >that come from?
> >
> >I clicked the magnifying glass again, deleted the LiveCode folder that
> >I
> >had created, and created a "LiveCode Community 7.0.1" folder under
> >RunRev
> >and selected it. It switched back to "Customize", showing "C:/Program
> >Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community". What happened to the "7.0.1"?
> >
> >I figured, this is the best I could do so I clicked "Continue". It
> >switched to "Ready to Install", and said that it would install in
> >"C:/Program Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community 7.0.1/LiveCode
> >Community
> >6.6.3". At this point, I decided to stick with the 6.6.3 installation
> >I've
> >already got. Please let us know when you have a "stable release" of the
> >installer, because this one barely qualifies as a beta.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From pete at lcsql.com  Sun Dec 28 10:29:29 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 07:29:29 -0800
Subject: I didn't know this...
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Expanding the use of each would be great!

delete item 2 of each line of tVar, for example

Pete
lcSQL Software
On Dec 27, 2014 10:44 PM, "Geoff Canyon" <gcanyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's too bad this won't work:
>
>    put "bob carol ted alice" into S
>    replace "c" with "x" in char 1 of each word of S
>    put S -- puts "bob xarol ted alice"
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Nice :-)
> >
> > This isn't limited to variables but for works for fields as well.
> >
> > Taken the liberty of entering an Enhancement Request - 14311 - that the
> > Dictionary entry be amended to include your example and note that replace
> > can also be used on chunks within a container, not just the entire
> > container.
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 10:29:26 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 10:29:26 -0500
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
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Jacqueline, I do think that there is a timeing issue that you have to be 
aware of if you a calling revloadedstacks.
But something strange _IS_ going on.

Please create a stack and enter the script below into the stack script 
and save the stack and quit livecode.   Doubleclick on the stack icon.

You should see...

false
preOpenStack
true
Startup Complete

This is the expected behavior.   Note that the preOpenStack handler is 
called before the IDE home stack has finished initialization. This can 
clearly be seen if you watch the message box closely.

Now close the stack and remove it from memory and then open the stack.   
I do not get the expected behavior.  It seems that allowinterupts is set 
to false.   I get false on a clean start of livecode and checking 
allowinterrupts from the message box too.

Can you confirm what I am seeing or explain what is going on, or have I 
found a bug?  it appears to me that somewhere in the IDE, allowinterupts 
is being set to false again after the main startup code in the home 
stack resulting in the default state to be incorrect.

Regards,
    Mike


local ctr

on preopenstack
    put the allowinterrupts & cr
    send "Mark_IDE_done" to me in 2 ticks
    put "preOpenStack" & cr
end preopenstack

on Mark_IDE_done
    add 1 to ctr
    put  allowinterrupts & cr after msg
    if allowinterrupts = false then
       if ctr < 25 then
          send "Mark_IDE_done" to me in 2 ticks
       end if
    else
       put "Startup Complete" & cr after msg
    end if
end Mark_IDE_done



On 12/27/14 11:29 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> I'm confused. LiveCode knows how to open a stack as part of its startup routine. Since  card 1 is always opened first, a preopenstack handler there will always fire and you can do your setup there from that card without worrying about timing.
>
> On December 27, 2014 10:12:19 AM CST, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Jacqueline and Mike, thanks for you help with this.
>>
>> Just to clarify,  I am trying to solve the problem in the environment
>> where livecode is not running and the user double clicks on the
>> MasterLibrary stack.   This is not a standalone program but a stack
>> that
>> is being started from the desktop.  I am testing on a Mac, but I need
>> to
>> test on a PC to see if the behavior is any different.
>>
>> Mike, I think you gave me a great clue.   The current logic in the
>> MasterLibrary is one where the preopenstack handler puts up a splash
>> screen and sends off a wakeup message to come back in 5 seconds.  I was
>>
>> quite surprised to see how long it actually took the IDE to get
>> initialized.  This is way too long to wait if livecode is already up
>> and
>> running.
>>
>> I added some debug code to display the allowinterupt state and found
>> that at the time my preopenstack handler messages gets called
>> allowinterupts is false, but in my wakeup hander the allowinterupts is
>> true.  This leads me to believe that I can monitor the allowinterupts
>> at
>> a faster frequency and do the actual wake up processing when I see it
>> go
>> true.
>>
>> Regards,
>>      Mike
>>
>>
>> On 12/26/14 4:38 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>>> It looks like the IDE load order is this:
>>> System params are checked
>>> libraries loaded
>>> globals set
>>> preferences set
>>> icons loaded
>>> patterns loaded
>>> script editor loaded
>>> user icon libraries loaded
>>> error management loaded
>>> tools loaded
>>> menu bar loaded
>>> app overview loaded
>>> message box loaded
>>> debugger loaded
>>> quicktime loaded
>>> plugins loaded
>>> then "revInternail_InitializeFinalSteps..
>>> after that, there are still a couple things such as checking the
>> license
>>> being used (community etc) and setting some os specific parameters.
>> The
>>> very last thing (it seems) is the line "set the allowinterrupts to
>> true"
>>> You can see this info in the script of stack home.rev, handler
>>> revInternal_openStack.  Wonder if there is something in that script
>> you can
>>> check to determine if the IDE is far enough along to do the things
>> you
>>> need.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay
>> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/24/2014 11:57 AM, Michael Doub wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have tried that but I need to process the resumeStack message
>> which
>>>>> seems to get called as part of the startup process.
>>>>>
>>>> Resumestack shouldn't be sent normally when a stack opens. There's a
>>>> difference between starting up a standalone and starting the IDE
>> though; it
>>>> may be that some of the IDE stacks need to deal with resumestack.
>> But your
>>>> own stack shouldn't need to.
>>>>
>>>>    I guess I have to
>>>>> manually set a global flag and have the timed handler unblock the
>>>>> flag.   What is the very first handler that an application can
>> process?
>>>>> Startup?
>>>>>
>>>> Again, it depends. In a standalone the first message is startup. The
>> stack
>>>> isn't fully loaded at that point so you can't manipulate stack or
>> card
>>>> objects yet but you can set global properties there.
>>>>
>>>> But in the IDE, LiveCode itself catches the startup message and your
>> stack
>>>> will never receive it. The first message your stack will get is
>>>> preOpenStack.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    Is there an ordered list of messages that are fired for startup
>> and
>>>>> opening a stack?  Opening a card would be useful too.   I can't say
>> that
>>>>> I have ever seen this anywhere in the documentation.
>>>>>
>>>> It follows the normal message path in reverse, starting with the
>> stack
>>>> messages followed by background group messages and then card
>> messages. If
>>>> there are card groups on the first card, they get sent last.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 11:02:32 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 09:02:32 -0700
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
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Things are working correctly for me. 7.0.0, (since 7.0.1 still won't
install) When starting up the stack and IDE by opening the stack,false is
first.  After the IDE is fully open, allowinterupts seems to always be true
for me.

Not managing to duplicate the problem so far. I did adjust things so that
the ctr variable gets set to the message box too during the send loop, and
its always 1, which seems to indicate a simple send in time should be
sufficient. (send whatever to me in 0). Unless there is a "wait with
messages" somewhere along the line in that big startup handler I mentioned
in the previous post, the send that you do should be dumped at the end of
the queue and not fire until things are done.  (this is how people have
been getting around library loading problems.  Either a send to place the
call at the end of the queue, or using openstack or opencard instead since
they happen slightly later.)
IF you're getting allowinterups = false AFTER the IDE is fully open, (or
seems to be) something funky is going on.  Do you have any plugins?  Can
you take them out of the equation for now, then add them back in one at a
time?  That handler I mentioned also does copious logging, you might be
able to track down where the log is, and look at it.

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jacqueline, I do think that there is a timeing issue that you have to be
> aware of if you a calling revloadedstacks.
> But something strange _IS_ going on.
>
> Please create a stack and enter the script below into the stack script and
> save the stack and quit livecode.   Doubleclick on the stack icon.
>
> You should see...
>
> false
> preOpenStack
> true
> Startup Complete
>
> This is the expected behavior.   Note that the preOpenStack handler is
> called before the IDE home stack has finished initialization. This can
> clearly be seen if you watch the message box closely.
>
> Now close the stack and remove it from memory and then open the stack.   I
> do not get the expected behavior.  It seems that allowinterupts is set to
> false.   I get false on a clean start of livecode and checking
> allowinterrupts from the message box too.
>
> Can you confirm what I am seeing or explain what is going on, or have I
> found a bug?  it appears to me that somewhere in the IDE, allowinterupts is
> being set to false again after the main startup code in the home stack
> resulting in the default state to be incorrect.
>
> Regards,
>    Mike
>
>
> local ctr
>
> on preopenstack
>    put the allowinterrupts & cr
>    send "Mark_IDE_done" to me in 2 ticks
>    put "preOpenStack" & cr
> end preopenstack
>
> on Mark_IDE_done
>    add 1 to ctr
>    put  allowinterrupts & cr after msg
>    if allowinterrupts = false then
>       if ctr < 25 then
>          send "Mark_IDE_done" to me in 2 ticks
>       end if
>    else
>       put "Startup Complete" & cr after msg
>    end if
> end Mark_IDE_done
>
>
>
> On 12/27/14 11:29 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> I'm confused. LiveCode knows how to open a stack as part of its startup
>> routine. Since  card 1 is always opened first, a preopenstack handler there
>> will always fire and you can do your setup there from that card without
>> worrying about timing.
>>
>> On December 27, 2014 10:12:19 AM CST, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jacqueline and Mike, thanks for you help with this.
>>>
>>> Just to clarify,  I am trying to solve the problem in the environment
>>> where livecode is not running and the user double clicks on the
>>> MasterLibrary stack.   This is not a standalone program but a stack
>>> that
>>> is being started from the desktop.  I am testing on a Mac, but I need
>>> to
>>> test on a PC to see if the behavior is any different.
>>>
>>> Mike, I think you gave me a great clue.   The current logic in the
>>> MasterLibrary is one where the preopenstack handler puts up a splash
>>> screen and sends off a wakeup message to come back in 5 seconds.  I was
>>>
>>> quite surprised to see how long it actually took the IDE to get
>>> initialized.  This is way too long to wait if livecode is already up
>>> and
>>> running.
>>>
>>> I added some debug code to display the allowinterupt state and found
>>> that at the time my preopenstack handler messages gets called
>>> allowinterupts is false, but in my wakeup hander the allowinterupts is
>>> true.  This leads me to believe that I can monitor the allowinterupts
>>> at
>>> a faster frequency and do the actual wake up processing when I see it
>>> go
>>> true.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>      Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/26/14 4:38 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks like the IDE load order is this:
>>>> System params are checked
>>>> libraries loaded
>>>> globals set
>>>> preferences set
>>>> icons loaded
>>>> patterns loaded
>>>> script editor loaded
>>>> user icon libraries loaded
>>>> error management loaded
>>>> tools loaded
>>>> menu bar loaded
>>>> app overview loaded
>>>> message box loaded
>>>> debugger loaded
>>>> quicktime loaded
>>>> plugins loaded
>>>> then "revInternail_InitializeFinalSteps..
>>>> after that, there are still a couple things such as checking the
>>>>
>>> license
>>>
>>>> being used (community etc) and setting some os specific parameters.
>>>>
>>> The
>>>
>>>> very last thing (it seems) is the line "set the allowinterrupts to
>>>>
>>> true"
>>>
>>>> You can see this info in the script of stack home.rev, handler
>>>> revInternal_openStack.  Wonder if there is something in that script
>>>>
>>> you can
>>>
>>>> check to determine if the IDE is far enough along to do the things
>>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>> need.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay
>>>>
>>> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  On 12/24/2014 11:57 AM, Michael Doub wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I have tried that but I need to process the resumeStack message
>>>>>>
>>>>> which
>>>
>>>> seems to get called as part of the startup process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Resumestack shouldn't be sent normally when a stack opens. There's a
>>>>> difference between starting up a standalone and starting the IDE
>>>>>
>>>> though; it
>>>
>>>> may be that some of the IDE stacks need to deal with resumestack.
>>>>>
>>>> But your
>>>
>>>> own stack shouldn't need to.
>>>>>
>>>>>    I guess I have to
>>>>>
>>>>>> manually set a global flag and have the timed handler unblock the
>>>>>> flag.   What is the very first handler that an application can
>>>>>>
>>>>> process?
>>>
>>>> Startup?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Again, it depends. In a standalone the first message is startup. The
>>>>>
>>>> stack
>>>
>>>> isn't fully loaded at that point so you can't manipulate stack or
>>>>>
>>>> card
>>>
>>>> objects yet but you can set global properties there.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in the IDE, LiveCode itself catches the startup message and your
>>>>>
>>>> stack
>>>
>>>> will never receive it. The first message your stack will get is
>>>>> preOpenStack.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Is there an ordered list of messages that are fired for startup
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>
>>>> opening a stack?  Opening a card would be useful too.   I can't say
>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>
>>>> I have ever seen this anywhere in the documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  It follows the normal message path in reverse, starting with the
>>>>>
>>>> stack
>>>
>>>> messages followed by background group messages and then card
>>>>>
>>>> messages. If
>>>
>>>> there are card groups on the first card, they get sent last.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Dec 28 11:23:46 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 08:23:46 -0800
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
Message-ID: <1af26d6e04f2260f96ed5ab8e29caf79@fourthworld.com>

Mike Bonner wrote:

> Unless there is a "wait with messages" somewhere along the line
> in that big startup handler I mentioned in the previous post,
> the send that you do should be dumped at the end of the queue
> and not fire until things are done.

I had thought so myself, but apparently it varies by OS - see the 
discussion in this request submitted by a RunRev team member for 
messages that fire on idle:
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13585

Initially I chimed in there thinking the request was in error, that 
timers would always fire only after other handlers were completed. Peter 
Brett's notes in Comment 7 there describes the details:

     Currently, the ordering is platform-dependent.  On some platforms,
     overdue engine messages are processed before overdue system events.
     On other platforms, engine events are processed before engine
     messages if the oldest engine event is older than the most overdue
     engine message.

That comment contains other info about why idle messages aren't a good 
alternative, well worth reading for those with an interest in such 
details.

-- 
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 11:29:36 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:29:36 -0500
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
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Mike,

Your plugin suggestion was a good one.   When I removed them all I am 
now getting the expected behavior.
I now need to add them back in one at a time to find the one that is not 
setting allowinterrupts to true.

It does seem that allowinterupts is the correct vehicle to tell when the 
livecode part of the IDE has been fully initialized, but because of user 
written plugins it is not totally reliable.   Any other thoughts?   I am 
going to submit an enhancement request and see if something more 
reliable could be made available longer term.

Regards,
    Mike


On 12/28/14 11:02 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> Things are working correctly for me. 7.0.0, (since 7.0.1 still won't
> install) When starting up the stack and IDE by opening the stack,false is
> first.  After the IDE is fully open, allowinterupts seems to always be true
> for me.
>
> Not managing to duplicate the problem so far. I did adjust things so that
> the ctr variable gets set to the message box too during the send loop, and
> its always 1, which seems to indicate a simple send in time should be
> sufficient. (send whatever to me in 0). Unless there is a "wait with
> messages" somewhere along the line in that big startup handler I mentioned
> in the previous post, the send that you do should be dumped at the end of
> the queue and not fire until things are done.  (this is how people have
> been getting around library loading problems.  Either a send to place the
> call at the end of the queue, or using openstack or opencard instead since
> they happen slightly later.)
> IF you're getting allowinterups = false AFTER the IDE is fully open, (or
> seems to be) something funky is going on.  Do you have any plugins?  Can
> you take them out of the equation for now, then add them back in one at a
> time?  That handler I mentioned also does copious logging, you might be
> able to track down where the log is, and look at it.
>
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jacqueline, I do think that there is a timeing issue that you have to be
>> aware of if you a calling revloadedstacks.
>> But something strange _IS_ going on.
>>
>> Please create a stack and enter the script below into the stack script and
>> save the stack and quit livecode.   Doubleclick on the stack icon.
>>
>> You should see...
>>
>> false
>> preOpenStack
>> true
>> Startup Complete
>>
>> This is the expected behavior.   Note that the preOpenStack handler is
>> called before the IDE home stack has finished initialization. This can
>> clearly be seen if you watch the message box closely.
>>
>> Now close the stack and remove it from memory and then open the stack.   I
>> do not get the expected behavior.  It seems that allowinterupts is set to
>> false.   I get false on a clean start of livecode and checking
>> allowinterrupts from the message box too.
>>
>> Can you confirm what I am seeing or explain what is going on, or have I
>> found a bug?  it appears to me that somewhere in the IDE, allowinterupts is
>> being set to false again after the main startup code in the home stack
>> resulting in the default state to be incorrect.
>>
>> Regards,
>>     Mike
>>
>>
>> local ctr
>>
>> on preopenstack
>>     put the allowinterrupts & cr
>>     send "Mark_IDE_done" to me in 2 ticks
>>     put "preOpenStack" & cr
>> end preopenstack
>>
>> on Mark_IDE_done
>>     add 1 to ctr
>>     put  allowinterrupts & cr after msg
>>     if allowinterrupts = false then
>>        if ctr < 25 then
>>           send "Mark_IDE_done" to me in 2 ticks
>>        end if
>>     else
>>        put "Startup Complete" & cr after msg
>>     end if
>> end Mark_IDE_done
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/27/14 11:29 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>>> I'm confused. LiveCode knows how to open a stack as part of its startup
>>> routine. Since  card 1 is always opened first, a preopenstack handler there
>>> will always fire and you can do your setup there from that card without
>>> worrying about timing.
>>>
>>> On December 27, 2014 10:12:19 AM CST, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jacqueline and Mike, thanks for you help with this.
>>>>
>>>> Just to clarify,  I am trying to solve the problem in the environment
>>>> where livecode is not running and the user double clicks on the
>>>> MasterLibrary stack.   This is not a standalone program but a stack
>>>> that
>>>> is being started from the desktop.  I am testing on a Mac, but I need
>>>> to
>>>> test on a PC to see if the behavior is any different.
>>>>
>>>> Mike, I think you gave me a great clue.   The current logic in the
>>>> MasterLibrary is one where the preopenstack handler puts up a splash
>>>> screen and sends off a wakeup message to come back in 5 seconds.  I was
>>>>
>>>> quite surprised to see how long it actually took the IDE to get
>>>> initialized.  This is way too long to wait if livecode is already up
>>>> and
>>>> running.
>>>>
>>>> I added some debug code to display the allowinterupt state and found
>>>> that at the time my preopenstack handler messages gets called
>>>> allowinterupts is false, but in my wakeup hander the allowinterupts is
>>>> true.  This leads me to believe that I can monitor the allowinterupts
>>>> at
>>>> a faster frequency and do the actual wake up processing when I see it
>>>> go
>>>> true.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>       Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/26/14 4:38 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It looks like the IDE load order is this:
>>>>> System params are checked
>>>>> libraries loaded
>>>>> globals set
>>>>> preferences set
>>>>> icons loaded
>>>>> patterns loaded
>>>>> script editor loaded
>>>>> user icon libraries loaded
>>>>> error management loaded
>>>>> tools loaded
>>>>> menu bar loaded
>>>>> app overview loaded
>>>>> message box loaded
>>>>> debugger loaded
>>>>> quicktime loaded
>>>>> plugins loaded
>>>>> then "revInternail_InitializeFinalSteps..
>>>>> after that, there are still a couple things such as checking the
>>>>>
>>>> license
>>>>
>>>>> being used (community etc) and setting some os specific parameters.
>>>>>
>>>> The
>>>>
>>>>> very last thing (it seems) is the line "set the allowinterrupts to
>>>>>
>>>> true"
>>>>
>>>>> You can see this info in the script of stack home.rev, handler
>>>>> revInternal_openStack.  Wonder if there is something in that script
>>>>>
>>>> you can
>>>>
>>>>> check to determine if the IDE is far enough along to do the things
>>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>> need.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay
>>>>>
>>>> <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   On 12/24/2014 11:57 AM, Michael Doub wrote:
>>>>>>   I have tried that but I need to process the resumeStack message
>>>>>> which
>>>>> seems to get called as part of the startup process.
>>>>>>>   Resumestack shouldn't be sent normally when a stack opens. There's a
>>>>>> difference between starting up a standalone and starting the IDE
>>>>>>
>>>>> though; it
>>>>> may be that some of the IDE stacks need to deal with resumestack.
>>>>> But your
>>>>> own stack shouldn't need to.
>>>>>>     I guess I have to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> manually set a global flag and have the timed handler unblock the
>>>>>>> flag.   What is the very first handler that an application can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> process?
>>>>> Startup?
>>>>>>>   Again, it depends. In a standalone the first message is startup. The
>>>>> stack
>>>>> isn't fully loaded at that point so you can't manipulate stack or
>>>>> card
>>>>> objects yet but you can set global properties there.
>>>>>> But in the IDE, LiveCode itself catches the startup message and your
>>>>>>
>>>>> stack
>>>>> will never receive it. The first message your stack will get is
>>>>>> preOpenStack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Is there an ordered list of messages that are fired for startup
>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> opening a stack?  Opening a card would be useful too.   I can't say
>>>>>> that
>>>>> I have ever seen this anywhere in the documentation.
>>>>>>>   It follows the normal message path in reverse, starting with the
>>>>> stack
>>>>> messages followed by background group messages and then card
>>>>> messages. If
>>>>> there are card groups on the first card, they get sent last.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-livecode mailing list
>>>>>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec 28 12:53:30 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:53:30 -0600
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
In-Reply-To: <54A02FF0.9090609@gmail.com>
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I'm still not sure you need to mess with any of this.  What does your script need to do when the IDE finishes loading? 

On December 28, 2014 10:29:36 AM CST, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>It does seem that allowinterupts is the correct vehicle to tell when
>the 
>livecode part of the IDE has been fully initialized, but because of
>user 
>written plugins it is not totally reliable.   Any other thoughts?   I
>am 
>going to submit an enhancement request and see if something more 
>reliable could be made available longer term.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From mikedoub at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 13:44:22 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:44:22 -0500
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
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This should help you see the problem I was trying to solve: Consider the 
following code:

local ctr

on openstack
     put "OpenStack" & cr
    put the allowinterrupts & cr after msg
    try
       put revloadedstacks() & cr after msg
    catch err
       put "revloadedstack not found" &  cr & err & cr after msg
    end try
    send "Mark_IDE_done" to me in 2 ticks
end openstack

on Mark_IDE_done
    add 1 to ctr
    put  allowinterrupts & cr after msg
    if allowinterrupts = false then
       if ctr < 25 then
          send "Mark_IDE_done" to me in 2 ticks
       end if
    else
       put "Startup Complete" & cr after msg
        put revloadedstacks() & cr after msg
    end if
end Mark_IDE_done

Assume this is code is in a stack on the desktop and livecode is not 
running.  When the user open this stack from the desktop you will see 
the following in the message box:

OpenStack
false
revloadedstack not found
219,7,11,revloadedstacks
118,7,11
465,7,11
true
Startup Complete
startupTest

Note that the OpenStack message is received before the initialization of 
the IDE has completed so when the revloadedstack function was called, it 
was not found.   if you look at the IDE home stack, you will see the 
interrupts are blocked until all of the IDE initialization is completed.

I think that some of your assumptions regarding the loading of stacks 
may be incorrect.  This is clearly showing that a users stack does in 
fact start execution before livecode initialization is completed.

The other interesting thing to note is that I found a plugin that looks 
like it was setting allowinterrupts to false and never setting it back 
to true.  I put that counter in the Mark_IDE_done handler so it would 
not fire forever as I was debugging.  Anyway, I sent off an email to the 
developer of the plugin to start the discussion with him off line.

I hope this clears things up for you.

Regards,
    Mike


On 12/28/14 12:53 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> I'm still not sure you need to mess with any of this.  What does your script need to do when the IDE finishes loading?
>
> On December 28, 2014 10:29:36 AM CST, Michael Doub <mikedoub at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It does seem that allowinterupts is the correct vehicle to tell when
>> the
>> livecode part of the IDE has been fully initialized, but because of
>> user
>> written plugins it is not totally reliable.   Any other thoughts?   I
>> am
>> going to submit an enhancement request and see if something more
>> reliable could be made available longer term.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Dec 28 14:20:40 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:20:40 -0600
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
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On 12/28/2014 12:44 PM, Michael Doub wrote:
>
> Note that the OpenStack message is received before the initialization of
> the IDE has completed so when the revloadedstack function was called, it
> was not found.   if you look at the IDE home stack, you will see the
> interrupts are blocked until all of the IDE initialization is completed.
>
> I think that some of your assumptions regarding the loading of stacks
> may be incorrect.  This is clearly showing that a users stack does in
> fact start execution before livecode initialization is completed.
>
> The other interesting thing to note is that I found a plugin that looks
> like it was setting allowinterrupts to false and never setting it back
> to true.  I put that counter in the Mark_IDE_done handler so it would
> not fire forever as I was debugging.  Anyway, I sent off an email to the
> developer of the plugin to start the discussion with him off line.
>
> I hope this clears things up for you.

Not entirely. It shows how you tested the message order, but not what 
you want your script to do or what your final goal is. Or are you just 
trying to find out which LC stacks are open?

It does look like I was wrong about the sequence specifics. But however 
it works, I think many of us use a delayed call to do something after 
the IDE is done launching. Whatever your final goal is, it seems it 
could be more easily done with this:

on openStack
  send "myHandler" to me in 1 second
end openStack

on myHandler
   -- do actions here
   -- if the goal is to see which stacks are open, query revloadedstacks 
here
end myHandler

By the time myHandler triggers, the IDE is loaded. If you think it may 
take longer on slow machines, use 2 seconds. Put the handlers on the 
first card, so that openstack won't trigger more than once.

I'll admit this is a sort of fuzzy workaround, so your request for a new 
engine message is probably useful. But until we get that, the above 
seems to work.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 14:53:58 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:53:58 +0000
Subject: problems with 5.5, 6.6, 6.7. 7.0
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-E27KGZZ-s9vqW6pyPErC3MHLqFM1hir_1d8eWGDwsL7A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having problems with every version of Livecode I've tried using in the
past month or so.

On 5.5 I get a crash with an image when I use the inspector to look at the
colors/patterns.  So I started to use 7.0 a few weeks ago, but went down to
6.6 and 6.7 when I got a corrupted stack with 7.0.

On 6.6 and 6.7 I am getting random hangs (this is with a different stack to
the one where I have problems in 5.5).  I cannot find any pattern to these
hangs.  Even trying to close Livecode 6 using task manager is a problem: it
can take several attempts, and much of the screen area not occupied by
Livecode becomes distorted/unresponsive (for example, the clock moves from
the bottom right hand side of the screen where the taskbar is, to the top
left of the screen)

On 7.0 I had a corrupted stack (and since the stack file is different in
7.0, I'm very wary about continuing to use that version).

6.7 and 7.0 also have basic defects when it comes to the field object.
http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14222.  I'd been using 5.5 and
only recently started to use 6.7 and 7.0.  I'm surprised no-one else
reported the defects with the scrolling field on Windows (I'm assuming they
are not confined to my copy of Windows, since runrev have acknowledged the
bug as "New").

These problems are all occurring on Windows 7.

Are there crash logs I can send to runrev?  I have no recipe whatsoever for
the problems with 6.x

Bernard


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 16:24:49 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 14:24:49 -0700
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
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No suggestions really, because i'm not sure whats going on (he says, as he
gets ready to make suggestions anyway).
It seems that since all the plugins are a part of the sequence in that
handler I mentioned, and that plugins are loaded before the allowinterupts
is set, it seems that you'd end up with false at the start, and false at
the end, due to the plugins causing a problem. I'll look at the code again
(tomorrow, today is on overload for me) and see if I can figure out where
that log is kept, (others probably know off the top of their heads) perhaps
there is a logged clue in there somewhere.

Richard, yep, that does throw a kink into my understanding.  Off to read up
on things.

As far as whether it is necessary to go to this trouble to discern the
state of the IDE, I gotta ask (as J has) does a simple send in time work?
If you display the counter as part of your messages, i'm pretty sure its
always 1, meaning the 2 ticks delay you use is plenty. And I suspect that
sending in 0 would work also, (unless the idle thing mentioned by Richard
is getting in the way).  In addition, would it work to put it into
openstack or opencard? Since they occur after the pre in the sequence of
things.

I think if it were me, I'd still pursue the plugins line of query also,
just to figure out why the allowinterrupts is misbehaving, but would look
for a simpler way to fix the initial issue.

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 12:20 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 12/28/2014 12:44 PM, Michael Doub wrote:
>
>>
>> Note that the OpenStack message is received before the initialization of
>> the IDE has completed so when the revloadedstack function was called, it
>> was not found.   if you look at the IDE home stack, you will see the
>> interrupts are blocked until all of the IDE initialization is completed.
>>
>> I think that some of your assumptions regarding the loading of stacks
>> may be incorrect.  This is clearly showing that a users stack does in
>> fact start execution before livecode initialization is completed.
>>
>> The other interesting thing to note is that I found a plugin that looks
>> like it was setting allowinterrupts to false and never setting it back
>> to true.  I put that counter in the Mark_IDE_done handler so it would
>> not fire forever as I was debugging.  Anyway, I sent off an email to the
>> developer of the plugin to start the discussion with him off line.
>>
>> I hope this clears things up for you.
>>
>
> Not entirely. It shows how you tested the message order, but not what you
> want your script to do or what your final goal is. Or are you just trying
> to find out which LC stacks are open?
>
> It does look like I was wrong about the sequence specifics. But however it
> works, I think many of us use a delayed call to do something after the IDE
> is done launching. Whatever your final goal is, it seems it could be more
> easily done with this:
>
> on openStack
>  send "myHandler" to me in 1 second
> end openStack
>
> on myHandler
>   -- do actions here
>   -- if the goal is to see which stacks are open, query revloadedstacks
> here
> end myHandler
>
> By the time myHandler triggers, the IDE is loaded. If you think it may
> take longer on slow machines, use 2 seconds. Put the handlers on the first
> card, so that openstack won't trigger more than once.
>
> I'll admit this is a sort of fuzzy workaround, so your request for a new
> engine message is probably useful. But until we get that, the above seems
> to work.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
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From prothero at earthednet.org  Sun Dec 28 17:35:39 2014
From: prothero at earthednet.org (EED-wp Email)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 12:35:39 -1000
Subject: problems with 5.5, 6.6, 6.7. 7.0
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-E27KGZZ-s9vqW6pyPErC3MHLqFM1hir_1d8eWGDwsL7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E27KGZZ-s9vqW6pyPErC3MHLqFM1hir_1d8eWGDwsL7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <231E3C31-A449-4828-B6EE-881315E8AA2C@earthednet.org>

Bernard
Don't know if this will help, but when I get this kind of inexplicable failure sequence, I start by rebuilding, testing the system disc drive. I'm on OS X and. LOVE Disk Warrior. It fixes disc corruption problems the the Disk Utility reports as unfixable. Don't know about Windows os's. 

Regards and good luck. 
Bill

William Prothero
http://ed.earthednet.org

> On Dec 28, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm having problems with every version of Livecode I've tried using in the
> past month or so.
> 
> On 5.5 I get a crash with an image when I use the inspector to look at the
> colors/patterns.  So I started to use 7.0 a few weeks ago, but went down to
> 6.6 and 6.7 when I got a corrupted stack with 7.0.
> 
> On 6.6 and 6.7 I am getting random hangs (this is with a different stack to
> the one where I have problems in 5.5).  I cannot find any pattern to these
> hangs.  Even trying to close Livecode 6 using task manager is a problem: it
> can take several attempts, and much of the screen area not occupied by
> Livecode becomes distorted/unresponsive (for example, the clock moves from
> the bottom right hand side of the screen where the taskbar is, to the top
> left of the screen)
> 
> On 7.0 I had a corrupted stack (and since the stack file is different in
> 7.0, I'm very wary about continuing to use that version).
> 
> 6.7 and 7.0 also have basic defects when it comes to the field object.
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14222.  I'd been using 5.5 and
> only recently started to use 6.7 and 7.0.  I'm surprised no-one else
> reported the defects with the scrolling field on Windows (I'm assuming they
> are not confined to my copy of Windows, since runrev have acknowledged the
> bug as "New").
> 
> These problems are all occurring on Windows 7.
> 
> Are there crash logs I can send to runrev?  I have no recipe whatsoever for
> the problems with 6.x
> 
> Bernard
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 19:38:49 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:38:49 -0500
Subject: How to tell when IDE is done loading
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References: <5499D411.2020207@gmail.com>
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Jacqueline gave me a really slick solution to my problem off list. He is 
what I am going to use in the next release of the MasterLibrary:

on preopenstack
       send "Mark_IDE_done" to me in 2 ticks
       go to cd "Splash"
end preopenstack

on Mark_IDE_done
    try
       get revloadedstacks()
    catch err
       send "Mark_IDE_done" to me in 2 ticks
       exit to top
    end try
    go to cd "LibMgr"
end Mark_IDE_done

This is so simple, I really don't care about delaying for the whole IDE 
to be finished.   I only need a single function to be available.  This 
works like a charm.

Regards,
    Mike

On 12/28/14 4:24 PM, Mike Bonner wrote:
> No suggestions really, because i'm not sure whats going on (he says, as he
> gets ready to make suggestions anyway).
> It seems that since all the plugins are a part of the sequence in that
> handler I mentioned, and that plugins are loaded before the allowinterupts
> is set, it seems that you'd end up with false at the start, and false at
> the end, due to the plugins causing a problem. I'll look at the code again
> (tomorrow, today is on overload for me) and see if I can figure out where
> that log is kept, (others probably know off the top of their heads) perhaps
> there is a logged clue in there somewhere.
>
> Richard, yep, that does throw a kink into my understanding.  Off to read up
> on things.
>
> As far as whether it is necessary to go to this trouble to discern the
> state of the IDE, I gotta ask (as J has) does a simple send in time work?
> If you display the counter as part of your messages, i'm pretty sure its
> always 1, meaning the 2 ticks delay you use is plenty. And I suspect that
> sending in 0 would work also, (unless the idle thing mentioned by Richard
> is getting in the way).  In addition, would it work to put it into
> openstack or opencard? Since they occur after the pre in the sequence of
> things.
>
> I think if it were me, I'd still pursue the plugins line of query also,
> just to figure out why the allowinterrupts is misbehaving, but would look
> for a simpler way to fix the initial issue.
>
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 12:20 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/28/2014 12:44 PM, Michael Doub wrote:
>>
>>> Note that the OpenStack message is received before the initialization of
>>> the IDE has completed so when the revloadedstack function was called, it
>>> was not found.   if you look at the IDE home stack, you will see the
>>> interrupts are blocked until all of the IDE initialization is completed.
>>>
>>> I think that some of your assumptions regarding the loading of stacks
>>> may be incorrect.  This is clearly showing that a users stack does in
>>> fact start execution before livecode initialization is completed.
>>>
>>> The other interesting thing to note is that I found a plugin that looks
>>> like it was setting allowinterrupts to false and never setting it back
>>> to true.  I put that counter in the Mark_IDE_done handler so it would
>>> not fire forever as I was debugging.  Anyway, I sent off an email to the
>>> developer of the plugin to start the discussion with him off line.
>>>
>>> I hope this clears things up for you.
>>>
>> Not entirely. It shows how you tested the message order, but not what you
>> want your script to do or what your final goal is. Or are you just trying
>> to find out which LC stacks are open?
>>
>> It does look like I was wrong about the sequence specifics. But however it
>> works, I think many of us use a delayed call to do something after the IDE
>> is done launching. Whatever your final goal is, it seems it could be more
>> easily done with this:
>>
>> on openStack
>>   send "myHandler" to me in 1 second
>> end openStack
>>
>> on myHandler
>>    -- do actions here
>>    -- if the goal is to see which stacks are open, query revloadedstacks
>> here
>> end myHandler
>>
>> By the time myHandler triggers, the IDE is loaded. If you think it may
>> take longer on slow machines, use 2 seconds. Put the handlers on the first
>> card, so that openstack won't trigger more than once.
>>
>> I'll admit this is a sort of fuzzy workaround, so your request for a new
>> engine message is probably useful. But until we get that, the above seems
>> to work.
>>
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-livecode mailing list
>> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription preferences:
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 04:16:58 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 09:16:58 +0000
Subject: problems with 5.5, 6.6, 6.7. 7.0
In-Reply-To: <231E3C31-A449-4828-B6EE-881315E8AA2C@earthednet.org>
References: <CA+O+R-E27KGZZ-s9vqW6pyPErC3MHLqFM1hir_1d8eWGDwsL7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<231E3C31-A449-4828-B6EE-881315E8AA2C@earthednet.org>
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Thanks for the suggestion Bill.  However, I don't see how it can be
something to do with the disk.

In the case of 5.5, the border of an image disappears when the blendLevel
is altered.  This seems to have something do with the new layerMode
introduced in 5.5.

With regard to the 6.x series, I hadn't been doing any LC development
between June and the end of November.

I remembered last night that I'd seen that distinctive visual artefact, of
the clock moving from the start bar to the to top left of the screen, so I
checked back on my notes.  When I looked back on my notes, I found that I
got these crashes when I tried out 6.6.  In April I was working on an
entirely different kind of stack (no use of images or graphics).  My notes
show that 6.6 would hang/crash in just these unpredictable ways (even just
deleting a line in the script editor would cause these kinds of problems).
It seems that on Window 7, 6.7 still has these unpredictable problems.
I've been using this particular PC for a couple of years, with no other
application but Livecode behaving in this erratic manner.

5.5 was at least very stable while I was doing nothing with images (i'd
been using the 5.x series on this PC from 2011 until I tried 6.6 in
April).  With 6.6 and 6.7 it seems extremely unstable, regardless of what I
am doing.  I realise that others are recommending 6.6 to those with
problems with 7.0.  However, since no-one has drawn attention to the visual
inconsistencies with a scrolling field on Windows (see the bug report I
mentioned), I'm wondering if very few people are using LC on Windows.
Either that or there's some strange incompatibility between LC 6.x and my
PC.  I've checked the graphics drivers and there's nothing more up to date
than what's installed.

Regards, Bernard



On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:35 PM, EED-wp Email <prothero at earthednet.org>
wrote:

> Bernard
> Don't know if this will help, but when I get this kind of inexplicable
> failure sequence, I start by rebuilding, testing the system disc drive. I'm
> on OS X and. LOVE Disk Warrior. It fixes disc corruption problems the the
> Disk Utility reports as unfixable. Don't know about Windows os's.
>
> Regards and good luck.
> Bill
>
> William Prothero
> http://ed.earthednet.org
>
> > On Dec 28, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm having problems with every version of Livecode I've tried using in
> the
> > past month or so.
> >
> > On 5.5 I get a crash with an image when I use the inspector to look at
> the
> > colors/patterns.  So I started to use 7.0 a few weeks ago, but went down
> to
> > 6.6 and 6.7 when I got a corrupted stack with 7.0.
> >
> > On 6.6 and 6.7 I am getting random hangs (this is with a different stack
> to
> > the one where I have problems in 5.5).  I cannot find any pattern to
> these
> > hangs.  Even trying to close Livecode 6 using task manager is a problem:
> it
> > can take several attempts, and much of the screen area not occupied by
> > Livecode becomes distorted/unresponsive (for example, the clock moves
> from
> > the bottom right hand side of the screen where the taskbar is, to the top
> > left of the screen)
> >
> > On 7.0 I had a corrupted stack (and since the stack file is different in
> > 7.0, I'm very wary about continuing to use that version).
> >
> > 6.7 and 7.0 also have basic defects when it comes to the field object.
> > http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14222.  I'd been using 5.5 and
> > only recently started to use 6.7 and 7.0.  I'm surprised no-one else
> > reported the defects with the scrolling field on Windows (I'm assuming
> they
> > are not confined to my copy of Windows, since runrev have acknowledged
> the
> > bug as "New").
> >
> > These problems are all occurring on Windows 7.
> >
> > Are there crash logs I can send to runrev?  I have no recipe whatsoever
> for
> > the problems with 6.x
> >
> > Bernard
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-livecode mailing list
> > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 04:24:19 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:24:19 +0200
Subject: problems with 5.5, 6.6, 6.7. 7.0
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-GFZS6Tvrc1ix0Z8khG1Q5FCvPPNduymRvjj2_qecn1wA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E27KGZZ-s9vqW6pyPErC3MHLqFM1hir_1d8eWGDwsL7A@mail.gmail.com>	<231E3C31-A449-4828-B6EE-881315E8AA2C@earthednet.org>
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Message-ID: <54A11DC3.9060602@gmail.com>

On 29/12/14 11:16, Bernard Devlin wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestion Bill.  However, I don't see how it can be
> something to do with the disk.
>
> In the case of 5.5, the border of an image disappears when the blendLevel
> is altered.  This seems to have something do with the new layerMode
> introduced in 5.5.
>
> With regard to the 6.x series, I hadn't been doing any LC development
> between June and the end of November.
>
> I remembered last night that I'd seen that distinctive visual artefact, of
> the clock moving from the start bar to the to top left of the screen, so I
> checked back on my notes.  When I looked back on my notes, I found that I
> got these crashes when I tried out 6.6.  In April I was working on an
> entirely different kind of stack (no use of images or graphics).  My notes
> show that 6.6 would hang/crash in just these unpredictable ways (even just
> deleting a line in the script editor would cause these kinds of problems).
> It seems that on Window 7, 6.7 still has these unpredictable problems.
> I've been using this particular PC for a couple of years, with no other
> application but Livecode behaving in this erratic manner.
>
> 5.5 was at least very stable while I was doing nothing with images (i'd
> been using the 5.x series on this PC from 2011 until I tried 6.6 in
> April).  With 6.6 and 6.7 it seems extremely unstable, regardless of what I
> am doing.  I realise that others are recommending 6.6 to those with
> problems with 7.0.  However, since no-one has drawn attention to the visual
> inconsistencies with a scrolling field on Windows (see the bug report I
> mentioned), I'm wondering if very few people are using LC on Windows.
> Either that or there's some strange incompatibility between LC 6.x and my
> PC.  I've checked the graphics drivers and there's nothing more up to date
> than what's installed.
>
> Regards, Bernard
>
>
>
>

My inclination would be to try all these versions out on another PC 
running the same version of Windows you are
using at the moment: if you can repeat these effects then it is 
Livecode: if not, it's your machine.

Richmond.



From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Mon Dec 29 06:47:47 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 11:47:47 -0000
Subject: [OT] Re-factoring
Message-ID: <001601d0235d$4562add0$d0280970$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Passing this on...

http://www.infoq.com/articles/natural-course-refactoring

Okay, the example is not LC but the principles apply. Something to aspire
to, anyway!

Hugh Senior
FLCo




From sean at pidigital.co.uk  Mon Dec 29 13:08:35 2014
From: sean at pidigital.co.uk (Sean Cole (Pi))
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:08:35 +0000
Subject: Your installer is broken
In-Reply-To: <CAAT6EXOUFETmUTMj0qng9==-VC38ppk=faWT=2udN3PZRPCBkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <421724AF874941148FFB9563B6F0614A@PAULD>
	<1FEBD592-F207-473E-8C65-1C4A6FD17B4E@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAAT6EXOUFETmUTMj0qng9==-VC38ppk=faWT=2udN3PZRPCBkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABRqQSTjSCKikvV0ScgQ9r0V8YcsRAf_k9weEzu7oWY91tJ=JA@mail.gmail.com>

Roger, Make a backup of 6.7 first just in case. I doubt that it would
remove 6.7 (RR and LC never delete older versions from your machine when
installing - I've still got every version right back to 5.5) but keep one
safe anyway. And make backups of your projects while you're at it.

All the best

Sean Cole


On 28 December 2014 at 15:12, Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
wrote:

> I launched 6.7 and the updater offered to install 7.0.1 for OS X.  I
> allowed it to download, but then the wording on screen scared me.  It said
> this will replace your current installation of 6.7, so I bailed.
>
> ~Roger
> On Dec 28, 2014 3:17 AM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Windows the installer will create a folder inside the location you
> > select, so that's why you saw two LiveCode folders (the one you made and
> > the one the installer made.) Also, all file paths use forward slashes in
> > LiveCode so that's why those were there.
> >
> > I'm not sure why you'd get the first installation failure. I can only
> > guess that the OS was doing some housekeeping on the download when the
> > installer was supposed to launch. After a brief delay it was ready.
> >
> > It's normal to see the contents of a folder when you choose it in the
> file
> > selector. You should be able to just choose the one that is currently
> > selected and install there, regardless of what you see in the content
> area.
> >
> > On December 26, 2014 5:53:16 PM CST, "Paul D. DeRocco" <
> > pderocco at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >While I was using LiveCode, I was informed of a 7.0.1 update. The text
> > >box
> > >showed the following text:
> > >
> > >    Stable: The release has been through a full
> > >    testing cycle and is deemed stable.
> > >    Maintenance: The release is the previous stable
> > >    release with fixes ready for testing.
> > >    Beta: The release contains new features which
> > >    are complete and ready for testing.
> > >    Development: The release contains untested
> > >    new features.
> > >
> > >My initial reaction was, "So, which is it?" It was a moment before I
> > >realized I was looking at the end of a long update description, and had
> > >to
> > >scroll all the way back to the top to find out that it's a stable
> > >release.
> > >The text box really ought to positioned at the beginning, not the end.
> > >That's just a very minor issue. But then...
> > >
> > >I closed LiveCode and selected Update Now, and it began to download
> > >rather
> > >slowly. When it was done, it said "Installation Failed", with the
> > >explanation, "Could not launch downloaded installer: not opened". I
> > >clicked Retry, and it switched to "Ready to Install", saying that it
> > >will
> > >"Install LiveCode to: C:/Program Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community
> > >6.6.3" etc.
> > >
> > >First of all, if it downloaded the installer, why did it say that it
> > >had
> > >failed? Second of all, why is it offering to install it in the LiveCode
> > >Community 6.6.3 folder, when it's LiveCode 7.0.1? (And third, why is it
> > >using forward slashes on Windows?)
> > >
> > >Rather than click "Install", I clicked "Back". Rather than go "back",
> > >it
> > >went to "Select Installation Type", so I clicked "Custom" and
> > >"Continue",
> > >and it switched to "Customize". I clicked the magnifying glass icon
> > >next
> > >to the installation folder name (still 6.6.3), and it popped up
> > >"Libraries\Documents". That's not a valid place to install anything, so
> > >I
> > >had to navigate to my C: drive and drill down to where I wanted to put
> > >it.
> > >I tried selecting "C:\Program Files (x86)\RunRev" as the installation
> > >directory, and it simply opened that folder, showing me "LiveCode
> > >Community 6.6.3". Why can't I just put it into "C:\Program Files
> > >(x86)\RunRev"?
> > >
> > >So I created a LiveCode folder under RunRev and selected it, and it
> > >went
> > >back to "Customize", showing "C:/Program Files
> > >(x86)/RunRev/LiveCode/LiveCode". Why two "LiveCode" folders? Where did
> > >that come from?
> > >
> > >I clicked the magnifying glass again, deleted the LiveCode folder that
> > >I
> > >had created, and created a "LiveCode Community 7.0.1" folder under
> > >RunRev
> > >and selected it. It switched back to "Customize", showing "C:/Program
> > >Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community". What happened to the "7.0.1"?
> > >
> > >I figured, this is the best I could do so I clicked "Continue". It
> > >switched to "Ready to Install", and said that it would install in
> > >"C:/Program Files (x86)/RunRev/LiveCode Community 7.0.1/LiveCode
> > >Community
> > >6.6.3". At this point, I decided to stick with the 6.6.3 installation
> > >I've
> > >already got. Please let us know when you have a "stable release" of the
> > >installer, because this one barely qualifies as a beta.
> >
> > --
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> >
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Dec 29 13:29:56 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:29:56 -0800
Subject: Your installer is broken
In-Reply-To: <CABRqQSTjSCKikvV0ScgQ9r0V8YcsRAf_k9weEzu7oWY91tJ=JA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABRqQSTjSCKikvV0ScgQ9r0V8YcsRAf_k9weEzu7oWY91tJ=JA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A19DA4.6060307@fourthworld.com>

Sean Cole wrote:

 > Roger, Make a backup of 6.7 first just in case. I doubt that it would
 > remove 6.7 (RR and LC never delete older versions from your machine
 > when installing - I've still got every version right back to 5.5) but
 > keep one safe anyway.

LiveCode always installs each version into its own folder, so your older 
versions will remain in place.

Perhaps what the installer was referring to is the OS file type 
association.  On Windows this is governed by the Registry, and IIRC is 
updated with each LC install.  On Mac it's governed by voodoo using 
unknowable rules in the Finder, so that sometimes it'll use the most 
recently-installed version of an app but sometimes it'll decide to 
fixate on one particular version.

But that only governs what happens when you double-click a stack in the 
file manager.

As long as you open the version you want to work with and then use 
File->Open in the IDE you'll always have complete control over which 
version you're using.


 > And make backups of your projects while you're at it.

Excellent advice for all data made with all applications.

Hard drives fail, file systems get corrupted, systems get hacked, and 
then there are fires, floods, earthquakes, etc.  Merde happens.

At a minimum everyone should have at least three copies of any data they 
consider non-disposable, with one of those copies rotated off-site.

Here I maintain 5 copies of everything.  Storage is cheap, and time is 
precious.


Worth taking 5 minutes to read up on rsync to quickly back up folders:
<https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-rsync-to-sync-local-and-remote-directories-on-a-vps>

Like many good programs rsync has a lot of options, but for simple 
one-way syncing the -av flags are usually sufficient when working with 
local volumes:

rsync -av /volume/sourcefolder/   /backup/destfolder/

Across networks it's helpful to add -z for compression:

rsync -avz /volume/sourcefolder/  user at domain:/backup/destfolder/


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From MikeKerner at roadrunner.com  Mon Dec 29 15:56:42 2014
From: MikeKerner at roadrunner.com (Mike Kerner)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:56:42 -0500
Subject: Notification (push and local)
In-Reply-To: <1419629728585.bcdd7d0c@Nodemailer>
References: <1419629728585.bcdd7d0c@Nodemailer>
Message-ID: <CADCoycMb-4n6FvXpWesmVwmMvn1aXuqe43BvDoWG0VNmXyNM1w@mail.gmail.com>

yes, there are issues with push, and bug reports open.  I would suggest
looking up the bug reports and adding at least one more, namely, for the
new features in 8 that aren't supported, yet.

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Ethan Lish <ethanlish at gmail.com> wrote:

> Developers,
>
> There are a number of features available via the notification facility
> which do not appear to be exposed to the livecode developer either through
> the native language or externals
>
>
> Of specific interest is the newly evolving area of push actions
> https://developer.apple.com/notifications/
>
>
> Any inside information on near term plans in this area ?
>
>
> Anyone have or plan on building an external in this space ?
>
>
> Appreciate your assistance
>
>
> Thanks
> Ethan
>
> ?
> Ethan at Lish.net240.876.1389
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On the second day, God created the oceans.
On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours,
   and did a little diving.
And God said, "This is good."


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 17:39:02 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:39:02 +0000
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>

RC4 is loading (every time) as Motif appearance on Windows 7.  Resetting
this through the menu takes effect for that session, but on restarting,
this preference is not saved.

Deleting the stacks here:

C:\Users\<<User>>\AppData\Roaming\RunRev\Preferences

just results in a new Livecode7 stack being created there.  But still
changes to preferences are not saved to it.

Does anyone know where Livecode is getting these preferences from?

Bernard


From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Dec 29 17:56:40 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:56:40 -0800
Subject: Group command with an object list
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePppVOJFp1j1bocj6gGscXphj58tiKYo2fUNsQV+JDy8A@mail.gmail.com>

Getting a run time error on command "group tList".  I'm constructing tList
from the selectedObjects by replace return with " and " and making sure
there isn't a trailing " and " at the end.

The runtime error includes the contents of tList which look correct to me -
"<long id of field 1> and <long id of field 2>".

I can get round it by putting "group " at the start of tList then "do
tList" but why doesn't this work?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 17:58:27 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:58:27 -0700
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpDQi3C2R-EAfNqjtpJ9mHw5ah_i_9wtTMf0msyhHojiQ@mail.gmail.com>

That is not a preference that is saved, its session specific.  I looked at
the script for that menu, and the function that sets the look and feel (or
at least the one that determines which look and feel should be used, on
initialization) is this:

function revThisLookAndFeel
   if the platform is "MacOS" then
      return "Macintosh"
   end if

   if the platform is "Win32" then
      return "Windows 95"
   end if

   return "Motif"
end revThisLookAndFeel

Which makes me wonder if "the platform" is returning something funky on
your system, thereby defaulting to "motif.


On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> RC4 is loading (every time) as Motif appearance on Windows 7.  Resetting
> this through the menu takes effect for that session, but on restarting,
> this preference is not saved.
>
> Deleting the stacks here:
>
> C:\Users\<<User>>\AppData\Roaming\RunRev\Preferences
>
> just results in a new Livecode7 stack being created there.  But still
> changes to preferences are not saved to it.
>
> Does anyone know where Livecode is getting these preferences from?
>
> Bernard
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:18:54 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:18:54 -0700
Subject: Group command with an object list
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePppVOJFp1j1bocj6gGscXphj58tiKYo2fUNsQV+JDy8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePppVOJFp1j1bocj6gGscXphj58tiKYo2fUNsQV+JDy8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSo1tJFgia-=7SENMWEKm81swBC_WEVC7ot63e0ktMWj0g@mail.gmail.com>

It seems that tList can't be long ids, or long names (as far as I can
tell), but selectedobjects   field "field" and button "button" will
probably work, but there's an easier way.

Save the list of selectedObjects however you currently do it, just exactly
as it shows up from the selectedobjects (since it sounds like you are
wanting to be able to group the objects later using code)

Once that is done, to group them is easy.

lock screen
repeat for each line tLine in myData
   set the selected of tLine to true
end repeat
-- after this, all the objects you chose should be selected so then..
group -- since they're selected, it bypasses the need to feed it a properly
formatted list
unlock screen

You might want to deselect the group that is created after the grouping
since it will be selected with handles showing, but I think you can
set the selected of the last group to false

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Getting a run time error on command "group tList".  I'm constructing tList
> from the selectedObjects by replace return with " and " and making sure
> there isn't a trailing " and " at the end.
>
> The runtime error includes the contents of tList which look correct to me -
> "<long id of field 1> and <long id of field 2>".
>
> I can get round it by putting "group " at the start of tList then "do
> tList" but why doesn't this work?
>
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:20:15 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:20:15 +0000
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpDQi3C2R-EAfNqjtpJ9mHw5ah_i_9wtTMf0msyhHojiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpDQi3C2R-EAfNqjtpJ9mHw5ah_i_9wtTMf0msyhHojiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-Gu2R+US4b569UnLc=eLxGUquGsbEvFiVq4V1-98edBrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the suggestion Mike.  But that's not the problem.  I can change
the appearance via the menu.  But such a change will not stick.

I discovered that this is a preference problem because somehow LC 7.0.1 RC4
is remembering a httpProxy setting which I set some days/weeks ago (which
may well have been set when I was testing 7.0.1 RC3)

Every time I restart RC4, the httpProxy is set back to a proxy which I no
longer need to access.  I change that setting, restart RC4, and my
httpProxy changes have not been saved.  Deleting the stack files in that
folder ends up with them being recreated, presumably with the preferences
from somewhere else.

Regards, Bernard

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> That is not a preference that is saved, its session specific.  I looked at
> the script for that menu, and the function that sets the look and feel (or
> at least the one that determines which look and feel should be used, on
> initialization) is this:
>
> function revThisLookAndFeel
>    if the platform is "MacOS" then
>       return "Macintosh"
>    end if
>
>    if the platform is "Win32" then
>       return "Windows 95"
>    end if
>
>    return "Motif"
> end revThisLookAndFeel
>
> Which makes me wonder if "the platform" is returning something funky on
> your system, thereby defaulting to "motif.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > RC4 is loading (every time) as Motif appearance on Windows 7.  Resetting
> > this through the menu takes effect for that session, but on restarting,
> > this preference is not saved.
> >
> > Deleting the stacks here:
> >
> > C:\Users\<<User>>\AppData\Roaming\RunRev\Preferences
> >
> > just results in a new Livecode7 stack being created there.  But still
> > changes to preferences are not saved to it.
> >
> > Does anyone know where Livecode is getting these preferences from?
> >
> > Bernard
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Mon Dec 29 18:26:01 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 15:26:01 -0800
Subject: lcext for iOS
Message-ID: <4A77D6A8-3730-4E38-91F5-EB32ADF48309@canelasoftware.com>

I am trying to include a mergSocket.lcext file with my iOS build, but the standalone builder refuses to include it. There are no errors, just no file in the bundle.

I am using  LC 7.0.1 on OSX 10.9 using SDK 8.1. I am selecting copy file directly, not copy folder. The file is located in a folder called binaries.

If I change the extension, the file copies fine. Any ideas about what I am doing wrong or missing? I think it?s me because I know I was successful with this version of mergSocket a couple months ago, probably using LC 7.0, but it?s not working any longer.

Thanks,

- Eric

 


From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:29:04 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:29:04 -0700
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-Gu2R+US4b569UnLc=eLxGUquGsbEvFiVq4V1-98edBrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpDQi3C2R-EAfNqjtpJ9mHw5ah_i_9wtTMf0msyhHojiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-Gu2R+US4b569UnLc=eLxGUquGsbEvFiVq4V1-98edBrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSrwv+eCUkqzWLZbOjErJp9UCszn-fQgpy7KkPJzTAshXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting. In my case, its opposite. I can set motif, but when it starts
up again its back to native. (which is why I was wondering if its a setting
that isn't save)
Somewhere, if I can find it, is a preferences template file. I bet at some
point that got saved with the changes.  Either way, I wonder if you can a)
set the look and feel, then open preferences, then from the msg box save
stack "revpreferences" after you've tweaked the stuff you need to change.
Might even check to make sure the time stamp has changed.

Maybe someone else can confirm where the look and feel stuff is saved?  I'm
going to dig through things a bit more and see if I can locate it.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion Mike.  But that's not the problem.  I can change
> the appearance via the menu.  But such a change will not stick.
>
> I discovered that this is a preference problem because somehow LC 7.0.1 RC4
> is remembering a httpProxy setting which I set some days/weeks ago (which
> may well have been set when I was testing 7.0.1 RC3)
>
> Every time I restart RC4, the httpProxy is set back to a proxy which I no
> longer need to access.  I change that setting, restart RC4, and my
> httpProxy changes have not been saved.  Deleting the stack files in that
> folder ends up with them being recreated, presumably with the preferences
> from somewhere else.
>
> Regards, Bernard
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That is not a preference that is saved, its session specific.  I looked
> at
> > the script for that menu, and the function that sets the look and feel
> (or
> > at least the one that determines which look and feel should be used, on
> > initialization) is this:
> >
> > function revThisLookAndFeel
> >    if the platform is "MacOS" then
> >       return "Macintosh"
> >    end if
> >
> >    if the platform is "Win32" then
> >       return "Windows 95"
> >    end if
> >
> >    return "Motif"
> > end revThisLookAndFeel
> >
> > Which makes me wonder if "the platform" is returning something funky on
> > your system, thereby defaulting to "motif.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > RC4 is loading (every time) as Motif appearance on Windows 7.
> Resetting
> > > this through the menu takes effect for that session, but on restarting,
> > > this preference is not saved.
> > >
> > > Deleting the stacks here:
> > >
> > > C:\Users\<<User>>\AppData\Roaming\RunRev\Preferences
> > >
> > > just results in a new Livecode7 stack being created there.  But still
> > > changes to preferences are not saved to it.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know where Livecode is getting these preferences from?
> > >
> > > Bernard
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:34:07 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:34:07 +0800
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
Message-ID: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>

#code2014 is this year?s programming languages popularity poll. You can see the current results at http://www.code2014.com <http://www.code2014.com/>

As I write this note, LiveCode doesn?t have a single vote. I am about to change that. You can vote by tweeting with the hashtag #code2014 and mentioning the languages you have used in 2014.

Why don?t you?

Regards

Peter
http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com <http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/>





From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:38:35 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:38:35 +0000
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSrwv+eCUkqzWLZbOjErJp9UCszn-fQgpy7KkPJzTAshXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpDQi3C2R-EAfNqjtpJ9mHw5ah_i_9wtTMf0msyhHojiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-Gu2R+US4b569UnLc=eLxGUquGsbEvFiVq4V1-98edBrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrwv+eCUkqzWLZbOjErJp9UCszn-fQgpy7KkPJzTAshXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-FOxKcKDGDTXh0nnTfZNkm=8bxzQLfXzSrRXT6HpB1jWw@mail.gmail.com>

Another good suggestion, Mike.  But even "save stack revPreferences" did
not make the preference change stick.

The httpProxy setting is as annoying as the Motif look. It was a libURL
error showing me that it was trying to access the proxy that made me
realise the prefs were not being saved.

I checked the timestamp of livecode7.livecode and it changed on "save stack
revPreferences".  So I zipped that up with the new timestamp.  Closed LC,
deleted what ever was there, and unzipped the stack whose timestamp had
changed.  But still no preferences stuck.

Bernard.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting. In my case, its opposite. I can set motif, but when it starts
> up again its back to native. (which is why I was wondering if its a setting
> that isn't save)
> Somewhere, if I can find it, is a preferences template file. I bet at some
> point that got saved with the changes.  Either way, I wonder if you can a)
> set the look and feel, then open preferences, then from the msg box save
> stack "revpreferences" after you've tweaked the stuff you need to change.
> Might even check to make sure the time stamp has changed.
>
> Maybe someone else can confirm where the look and feel stuff is saved?  I'm
> going to dig through things a bit more and see if I can locate it.
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the suggestion Mike.  But that's not the problem.  I can
> change
> > the appearance via the menu.  But such a change will not stick.
> >
> > I discovered that this is a preference problem because somehow LC 7.0.1
> RC4
> > is remembering a httpProxy setting which I set some days/weeks ago (which
> > may well have been set when I was testing 7.0.1 RC3)
> >
> > Every time I restart RC4, the httpProxy is set back to a proxy which I no
> > longer need to access.  I change that setting, restart RC4, and my
> > httpProxy changes have not been saved.  Deleting the stack files in that
> > folder ends up with them being recreated, presumably with the preferences
> > from somewhere else.
> >
> > Regards, Bernard
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > That is not a preference that is saved, its session specific.  I looked
> > at
> > > the script for that menu, and the function that sets the look and feel
> > (or
> > > at least the one that determines which look and feel should be used, on
> > > initialization) is this:
> > >
> > > function revThisLookAndFeel
> > >    if the platform is "MacOS" then
> > >       return "Macintosh"
> > >    end if
> > >
> > >    if the platform is "Win32" then
> > >       return "Windows 95"
> > >    end if
> > >
> > >    return "Motif"
> > > end revThisLookAndFeel
> > >
> > > Which makes me wonder if "the platform" is returning something funky on
> > > your system, thereby defaulting to "motif.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > RC4 is loading (every time) as Motif appearance on Windows 7.
> > Resetting
> > > > this through the menu takes effect for that session, but on
> restarting,
> > > > this preference is not saved.
> > > >
> > > > Deleting the stacks here:
> > > >
> > > > C:\Users\<<User>>\AppData\Roaming\RunRev\Preferences
> > > >
> > > > just results in a new Livecode7 stack being created there.  But still
> > > > changes to preferences are not saved to it.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know where Livecode is getting these preferences from?
> > > >
> > > > Bernard
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Mon Dec 29 18:39:29 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:39:29 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOyBRNMoUD2ywurqX1BU9uwE-VR+nhsB6aicPok=RmMbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<CAGDT7eOyBRNMoUD2ywurqX1BU9uwE-VR+nhsB6aicPok=RmMbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C29F7A4A-CCCC-4A4C-8ED5-31FF1D15364D@iotecdigital.com>

I was having the same epiphany. I did this with a local mySQL database a little while back and it worked a peach. I had a little delay timer going so that if the user typed another character within a certain time frame the counter would reset. Once the user stopped typing for a small length of time, *then* the query would trigger.

What I didn?t do was the look and feel part. THAT I need to incorporate. Very cool.

Bob S


On Dec 24, 2014, at 13:47 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com<mailto:pete at lcsql.com>> wrote:

Thanks Hugh, very nice.

I couldn't resist trying this using an SQLite database instead of the
preloaded data.  I created a database with one table named Places with one
column named Data that holds the preloaded data, then imported the
preloaded data into it.

The script changes were pretty minimal, just open the database at startup,
then instead of the filter command:

put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT Data FROM Places WHERE Data LIKE :1
ORDER BY Data","tSearch")

tSearch is the variable that holds the search string with "%" signs either
after or before/after depending on the wildcard setting.

The query takes an average of around 15 msecs vs the filter command taking
perhaps 2msecs but neither time is noticeable to a user.



Pete


From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 29 18:42:16 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:42:16 -0500
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0206B044-47AC-445C-A91A-74FFEBE3456D@verizon.net>

How do you write the languages that you used? Like, if I Tweet:


#code2014 LiveCode

would that register?



From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 29 18:44:06 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:44:06 -0500
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>

Seems to be a comma separated list of the languages you?ve done. Not sure how long the page takes to update.





From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:47:39 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:47:39 -0700
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-FOxKcKDGDTXh0nnTfZNkm=8bxzQLfXzSrRXT6HpB1jWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpDQi3C2R-EAfNqjtpJ9mHw5ah_i_9wtTMf0msyhHojiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-Gu2R+US4b569UnLc=eLxGUquGsbEvFiVq4V1-98edBrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrwv+eCUkqzWLZbOjErJp9UCszn-fQgpy7KkPJzTAshXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-FOxKcKDGDTXh0nnTfZNkm=8bxzQLfXzSrRXT6HpB1jWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpaT=mE=-+VbwRh2GTV4_9zXVj_35m2mvOgxvnyBBxGnw@mail.gmail.com>

Reading up on some stuff. You might check to make sure that windows itself
doesn't have a stuck proxy setting (not likely, since you'd notice it
elsewhere, but worth a check) because liburl will use the windows setting
of it isn't set specifically with code.  At least it's something to
eliminate.  Might also (if you didn't) confirm that "the platform" does
indeed return win32 to eliminate that also.  I haven't yet found where the
"lookandfeel" is stored if at all, doesn't look like it is so far, hence my
re-asking about the platform. I looked at what the menu selection does, and
it appears that all it does is "set the lookandfeel to ..whatever" but
there could be a setprop somewhere that I haven't found yet.

Worst case (I know its a pain) setup a plugin that sets the lookandfeel to
"appearance manager" as well as setting the proxy to empty.

Another silly thought, but.. this is windows.  Have you restarted lately?
About out of ideas, but i'll keep poking around and maybe get lucky.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Another good suggestion, Mike.  But even "save stack revPreferences" did
> not make the preference change stick.
>
> The httpProxy setting is as annoying as the Motif look. It was a libURL
> error showing me that it was trying to access the proxy that made me
> realise the prefs were not being saved.
>
> I checked the timestamp of livecode7.livecode and it changed on "save stack
> revPreferences".  So I zipped that up with the new timestamp.  Closed LC,
> deleted what ever was there, and unzipped the stack whose timestamp had
> changed.  But still no preferences stuck.
>
> Bernard.
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Interesting. In my case, its opposite. I can set motif, but when it
> starts
> > up again its back to native. (which is why I was wondering if its a
> setting
> > that isn't save)
> > Somewhere, if I can find it, is a preferences template file. I bet at
> some
> > point that got saved with the changes.  Either way, I wonder if you can
> a)
> > set the look and feel, then open preferences, then from the msg box save
> > stack "revpreferences" after you've tweaked the stuff you need to change.
> > Might even check to make sure the time stamp has changed.
> >
> > Maybe someone else can confirm where the look and feel stuff is saved?
> I'm
> > going to dig through things a bit more and see if I can locate it.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the suggestion Mike.  But that's not the problem.  I can
> > change
> > > the appearance via the menu.  But such a change will not stick.
> > >
> > > I discovered that this is a preference problem because somehow LC 7.0.1
> > RC4
> > > is remembering a httpProxy setting which I set some days/weeks ago
> (which
> > > may well have been set when I was testing 7.0.1 RC3)
> > >
> > > Every time I restart RC4, the httpProxy is set back to a proxy which I
> no
> > > longer need to access.  I change that setting, restart RC4, and my
> > > httpProxy changes have not been saved.  Deleting the stack files in
> that
> > > folder ends up with them being recreated, presumably with the
> preferences
> > > from somewhere else.
> > >
> > > Regards, Bernard
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > That is not a preference that is saved, its session specific.  I
> looked
> > > at
> > > > the script for that menu, and the function that sets the look and
> feel
> > > (or
> > > > at least the one that determines which look and feel should be used,
> on
> > > > initialization) is this:
> > > >
> > > > function revThisLookAndFeel
> > > >    if the platform is "MacOS" then
> > > >       return "Macintosh"
> > > >    end if
> > > >
> > > >    if the platform is "Win32" then
> > > >       return "Windows 95"
> > > >    end if
> > > >
> > > >    return "Motif"
> > > > end revThisLookAndFeel
> > > >
> > > > Which makes me wonder if "the platform" is returning something funky
> on
> > > > your system, thereby defaulting to "motif.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > RC4 is loading (every time) as Motif appearance on Windows 7.
> > > Resetting
> > > > > this through the menu takes effect for that session, but on
> > restarting,
> > > > > this preference is not saved.
> > > > >
> > > > > Deleting the stacks here:
> > > > >
> > > > > C:\Users\<<User>>\AppData\Roaming\RunRev\Preferences
> > > > >
> > > > > just results in a new Livecode7 stack being created there.  But
> still
> > > > > changes to preferences are not saved to it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know where Livecode is getting these preferences from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernard
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:47:54 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 07:47:54 +0800
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>

Colin

It says the list updates every 10 minutes on the website ? but from last year I suspect that there may be some manual intervention to add a language to those listed.

Regards

Peter


> On 30 Dec 2014, at 07:44, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Seems to be a comma separated list of the languages you?ve done. Not sure how long the page takes to update.
> 
> 
> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 29 18:51:57 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:51:57 -0500
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
	<DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>

We?ll know soon I guess, I voted for two languages that weren?t listed yet.


> On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Colin
> 
> It says the list updates every 10 minutes on the website ? but from last year I suspect that there may be some manual intervention to add a language to those listed.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
>> On 30 Dec 2014, at 07:44, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Seems to be a comma separated list of the languages you?ve done. Not sure how long the page takes to update.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 18:58:26 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:58:26 -0700
Subject: Group command with an object list
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSo1tJFgia-=7SENMWEKm81swBC_WEVC7ot63e0ktMWj0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePppVOJFp1j1bocj6gGscXphj58tiKYo2fUNsQV+JDy8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSo1tJFgia-=7SENMWEKm81swBC_WEVC7ot63e0ktMWj0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSraWb4Du9v4_OAbEXWEzjxadkHOkw+gSkgk3wPqiEwwpg@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, that should abeen "selectedobjects" returns long ids.  English. One
day I hope its my first language.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> It seems that tList can't be long ids, or long names (as far as I can
> tell), but selectedobjects   field "field" and button "button" will
> probably work, but there's an easier way.
>
> Save the list of selectedObjects however you currently do it, just exactly
> as it shows up from the selectedobjects (since it sounds like you are
> wanting to be able to group the objects later using code)
>
> Once that is done, to group them is easy.
>
> lock screen
> repeat for each line tLine in myData
>    set the selected of tLine to true
> end repeat
> -- after this, all the objects you chose should be selected so then..
> group -- since they're selected, it bypasses the need to feed it a
> properly formatted list
> unlock screen
>
> You might want to deselect the group that is created after the grouping
> since it will be selected with handles showing, but I think you can
> set the selected of the last group to false
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
>> Getting a run time error on command "group tList".  I'm constructing tList
>> from the selectedObjects by replace return with " and " and making sure
>> there isn't a trailing " and " at the end.
>>
>> The runtime error includes the contents of tList which look correct to me
>> -
>> "<long id of field 1> and <long id of field 2>".
>>
>> I can get round it by putting "group " at the start of tList then "do
>> tList" but why doesn't this work?
>>
>> Pete
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 29 19:08:18 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:08:18 -0500
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
	<DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
	<38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <25A4B018-7CA7-44B0-803A-63E7F4DDB8D3@verizon.net>

Can?t tell if it?s fully working. LiveCode has shot into 34th place, but one of the other languages I mentioned hasn?t yet been added.


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Dec 29 19:07:53 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:07:53 +0000
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
	<DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
	<38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <655A74CC-83CA-40AC-8E9B-09109442444C@byu.edu>

Sure enough, it?s there now. Bottom center of the chart, showing four users who have reported it. Me, Colin, Peter. Who else? Shouldn?t take much to move it in front of languages like Swift with 25.

Devin


On Dec 29, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> We?ll know soon I guess, I voted for two languages that weren?t listed yet.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Colin
>> 
>> It says the list updates every 10 minutes on the website ? but from last year I suspect that there may be some manual intervention to add a language to those listed.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 Dec 2014, at 07:44, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Seems to be a comma separated list of the languages you?ve done. Not sure how long the page takes to update.
>>> 

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 29 19:12:34 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:12:34 -0500
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <655A74CC-83CA-40AC-8E9B-09109442444C@byu.edu>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
	<DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
	<38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
	<655A74CC-83CA-40AC-8E9B-09109442444C@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <28809267-B252-40FB-AC72-980A24F5F613@verizon.net>

The circles are clickable. Richard also Tweeted.


> On Dec 29, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Sure enough, it?s there now. Bottom center of the chart, showing four users who have reported it. Me, Colin, Peter. Who else? Shouldn?t take much to move it in front of languages like Swift with 25.
> 
> Devin



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Dec 29 19:14:13 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:14:13 +0000
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <28809267-B252-40FB-AC72-980A24F5F613@verizon.net>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
	<DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
	<38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
	<655A74CC-83CA-40AC-8E9B-09109442444C@byu.edu>
	<28809267-B252-40FB-AC72-980A24F5F613@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BCB33925-A2CB-45EB-9593-77DE60AECAF2@byu.edu>

Just discovered that.

On Dec 29, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:

> The circles are clickable. Richard also Tweeted.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Sure enough, it?s there now. Bottom center of the chart, showing four users who have reported it. Me, Colin, Peter. Who else? Shouldn?t take much to move it in front of languages like Swift with 25.
>> 
>> Devin


Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 19:19:29 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:19:29 -0700
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <BCB33925-A2CB-45EB-9593-77DE60AECAF2@byu.edu>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
	<DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
	<38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
	<655A74CC-83CA-40AC-8E9B-09109442444C@byu.edu>
	<28809267-B252-40FB-AC72-980A24F5F613@verizon.net>
	<BCB33925-A2CB-45EB-9593-77DE60AECAF2@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSp1Ui5L0HNq=h1aSgT-QuG1MPu5crvZPkfM=A+hkgSsTw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm there too

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> Just discovered that.
>
> On Dec 29, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > The circles are clickable. Richard also Tweeted.
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 29, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sure enough, it?s there now. Bottom center of the chart, showing four
> users who have reported it. Me, Colin, Peter. Who else? Shouldn?t take much
> to move it in front of languages like Swift with 25.
> >>
> >> Devin
>
>
> Devin Asay
> Office of Digital Humanities
> Brigham Young University
>
>
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From coiin at verizon.net  Mon Dec 29 19:22:16 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:22:16 -0500
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSp1Ui5L0HNq=h1aSgT-QuG1MPu5crvZPkfM=A+hkgSsTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
	<DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
	<38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
	<655A74CC-83CA-40AC-8E9B-09109442444C@byu.edu>
	<28809267-B252-40FB-AC72-980A24F5F613@verizon.net>
	<BCB33925-A2CB-45EB-9593-77DE60AECAF2@byu.edu>
	<CAG1cpSp1Ui5L0HNq=h1aSgT-QuG1MPu5crvZPkfM=A+hkgSsTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <631F5E48-588C-4AE8-AA67-C444964EE758@verizon.net>

Seems like it?s Devin who?s not in there.


> On Dec 29, 2014, at 7:19 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm there too
> 
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Just discovered that.
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> The circles are clickable. Richard also Tweeted.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sure enough, it?s there now. Bottom center of the chart, showing four
>> users who have reported it. Me, Colin, Peter. Who else? Shouldn?t take much
>> to move it in front of languages like Swift with 25.
>>>> 
>>>> Devin
>> 
>> 
>> Devin Asay
>> Office of Digital Humanities
>> Brigham Young University
>> 
>> 
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Dec 29 19:24:27 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:24:27 +0000
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSp1Ui5L0HNq=h1aSgT-QuG1MPu5crvZPkfM=A+hkgSsTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
	<DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
	<38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
	<655A74CC-83CA-40AC-8E9B-09109442444C@byu.edu>
	<28809267-B252-40FB-AC72-980A24F5F613@verizon.net>
	<BCB33925-A2CB-45EB-9593-77DE60AECAF2@byu.edu>
	<CAG1cpSp1Ui5L0HNq=h1aSgT-QuG1MPu5crvZPkfM=A+hkgSsTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <548C1B47-EA22-4987-8AB4-791712416B64@byu.edu>

Odd that there are five tweets mentioned but the count on the chart is only 4. I see Richard, Mike, myself, Colin and Peter.

On Dec 29, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm there too
> 
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Just discovered that.
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> The circles are clickable. Richard also Tweeted.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sure enough, it?s there now. Bottom center of the chart, showing four
>> users who have reported it. Me, Colin, Peter. Who else? Shouldn?t take much
>> to move it in front of languages like Swift with 25.
>>>> 
>>>> Devin

Devin Asay
Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From peterwawood at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 19:33:19 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:33:19 +0800
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <548C1B47-EA22-4987-8AB4-791712416B64@byu.edu>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
	<DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
	<38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
	<655A74CC-83CA-40AC-8E9B-09109442444C@byu.edu>
	<28809267-B252-40FB-AC72-980A24F5F613@verizon.net>
	<BCB33925-A2CB-45EB-9593-77DE60AECAF2@byu.edu>
	<CAG1cpSp1Ui5L0HNq=h1aSgT-QuG1MPu5crvZPkfM=A+hkgSsTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<548C1B47-EA22-4987-8AB4-791712416B64@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <92E58461-5E9D-4497-A938-8492DC9C6291@gmail.com>

Hi Devin

It?s probably because your tweets are private. We can?t see you tweets and I guess neither can #Code2014.

Regards

Peter


> On 30 Dec 2014, at 08:24, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Odd that there are five tweets mentioned but the count on the chart is only 4. I see Richard, Mike, myself, Colin and Peter.
> 




From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 19:33:59 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:33:59 +0000
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpaT=mE=-+VbwRh2GTV4_9zXVj_35m2mvOgxvnyBBxGnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpDQi3C2R-EAfNqjtpJ9mHw5ah_i_9wtTMf0msyhHojiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-Gu2R+US4b569UnLc=eLxGUquGsbEvFiVq4V1-98edBrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrwv+eCUkqzWLZbOjErJp9UCszn-fQgpy7KkPJzTAshXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-FOxKcKDGDTXh0nnTfZNkm=8bxzQLfXzSrRXT6HpB1jWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpaT=mE=-+VbwRh2GTV4_9zXVj_35m2mvOgxvnyBBxGnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-HpkQWfKuU866e6u_5b0c=qX-WMWyJpdOyHSj1ktuiGkQ@mail.gmail.com>

The suggestion about a system proxy was a good one!

That proxy was disabled on a system-wide basis on Windows; the values for
the proxy were still in the boxes (but grayed-out).  It appears all the
browsers were ignoring these values, as the Internet Options said to not
use a proxy.  Livecode seemed to get that value still.  After setting that
to empty on a system-wide basis, then saving revPreferences, the proxy
value is now empty in LC across restarts.

Alas the lookAndFeel is still not working.  I took your suggestion
seriously, and did a restart. But still no change on this front.

If I put the platform, it is "Win32".  If I change the lookAndFeel through
the menu, then the lookAndFeel reports "Windows 95".  But this does not
persist across restarts.  You may be right, that the lookAndFeel is not
saved with revPreferences.  But then the conundrum is why this would look
like "Motif" by default, whereas on LC 6.7 and earlier it correctly stays
as "Windows 95"

Incidentally, do you find that clicking the "native theme" on the View menu
has any effect, i.e if you choose "Motif", then after that choose "Native
Theme", does it display the appropriate appearance for your platform?  When
I try this on 6.7 and 7.0.1, it changes nothing.

Bernard

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Reading up on some stuff. You might check to make sure that windows itself
> doesn't have a stuck proxy setting (not likely, since you'd notice it
> elsewhere, but worth a check) because liburl will use the windows setting
> of it isn't set specifically with code.  At least it's something to
> eliminate.  Might also (if you didn't) confirm that "the platform" does
> indeed return win32 to eliminate that also.  I haven't yet found where the
> "lookandfeel" is stored if at all, doesn't look like it is so far, hence my
> re-asking about the platform. I looked at what the menu selection does, and
> it appears that all it does is "set the lookandfeel to ..whatever" but
> there could be a setprop somewhere that I haven't found yet.
>
> Worst case (I know its a pain) setup a plugin that sets the lookandfeel to
> "appearance manager" as well as setting the proxy to empty.
>
> Another silly thought, but.. this is windows.  Have you restarted lately?
> About out of ideas, but i'll keep poking around and maybe get lucky.
>
>


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Mon Dec 29 19:41:21 2014
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:41:21 -0500
Subject: [OT] Startup apps under Yosemite
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3477.1419898772.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3477.1419898772.9160.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <42EE7BD8-AFE0-40FF-A3BA-6CF15DF5BE20@siphonophore.com>

I have an older kiosk livecode application that is now being installed on a new mac mini with yosemite (old imac running it finally died after 8 years in a visitor center!). There is one odd thing now with setting startup applications with the user account on Yosemite as after all of the start up applications are loaded (in this case just the exhibit app) finder is brought to the front. I've tested this with a number of apps and finder always comes up on top at the end of startup. Anyone know of a work around so that after startup the app does not need to be clicked on to bring it to the front?

thanks

jeff


From kevin at stallibrass.com  Mon Dec 29 19:45:11 2014
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Stallibrass)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:45:11 +0000
Subject: Looking for Json.lc
Message-ID: <71862AAD-80AB-43A3-BDC2-5C6C70328956@stallibrass.com>

I've got notification to iOS devices up and running from Livecode on a Mac but need to make it run from Livecode server. The posts I've read here and elsewhere on the web all refer to the inclusion of Json.lc but unfortunately all links I've been able to find are inactive. Anyone know where I can find a copy?
Regards
Kevin Stallibrass

Sent from my iPad


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Dec 29 19:46:50 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 00:46:50 +0000
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <92E58461-5E9D-4497-A938-8492DC9C6291@gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<42A387E7-5211-412A-9543-94A13B862AA9@verizon.net>
	<DAE0D820-9415-4E5E-8D7F-216ED8EBA43A@gmail.com>
	<38303C10-EA29-41C3-8864-497C5EE6E868@verizon.net>
	<655A74CC-83CA-40AC-8E9B-09109442444C@byu.edu>
	<28809267-B252-40FB-AC72-980A24F5F613@verizon.net>
	<BCB33925-A2CB-45EB-9593-77DE60AECAF2@byu.edu>
	<CAG1cpSp1Ui5L0HNq=h1aSgT-QuG1MPu5crvZPkfM=A+hkgSsTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<548C1B47-EA22-4987-8AB4-791712416B64@byu.edu>
	<92E58461-5E9D-4497-A938-8492DC9C6291@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1F5E204-2DFE-4B20-90D3-0F21AA1632DE@byu.edu>

Heh. You can tell I?m a really experienced Twitter-er. :-/

Devin

On Dec 29, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Devin
> 
> It?s probably because your tweets are private. We can?t see you tweets and I guess neither can #Code2014.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
>> On 30 Dec 2014, at 08:24, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Odd that there are five tweets mentioned but the count on the chart is only 4. I see Richard, Mike, myself, Colin and Peter.
>> 
> 
> 
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Brigham Young University




From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 19:47:38 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:47:38 -0700
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-HpkQWfKuU866e6u_5b0c=qX-WMWyJpdOyHSj1ktuiGkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpDQi3C2R-EAfNqjtpJ9mHw5ah_i_9wtTMf0msyhHojiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-Gu2R+US4b569UnLc=eLxGUquGsbEvFiVq4V1-98edBrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrwv+eCUkqzWLZbOjErJp9UCszn-fQgpy7KkPJzTAshXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-FOxKcKDGDTXh0nnTfZNkm=8bxzQLfXzSrRXT6HpB1jWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpaT=mE=-+VbwRh2GTV4_9zXVj_35m2mvOgxvnyBBxGnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-HpkQWfKuU866e6u_5b0c=qX-WMWyJpdOyHSj1ktuiGkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpmZ+fz+7rgc04sG+FEpJao42wmV4wkoXqCrFfAueD_4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Can't test on 7.0.1 stable, but on rc4 it has an affect. in rc4 from the
menu, it does appear to work for me, setting back to the native appearance
manager look.

I looked at this though:
The "Appearance Manager" option can be used only on Windows XP, Mac OS and
OS X systems. If you set the lookAndFeel to "Appearance Manager" on a Unix
 system, it is reset to "Motif". Similarly, tf you set the lookAndFeel to
"Appearance Manager" on a pre-Windows XP system, it is reset to "Wondows
95".

It is still behaving as if the engine doesn't think you're on windows.
Since you can set it, and it is then "reset", somewhere in there it must be
checking the platform and failing.  At this point, since you checked the
platform from the msg box, I have NO idea why it might be doing that.  So
color me stumped.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> The suggestion about a system proxy was a good one!
>
> That proxy was disabled on a system-wide basis on Windows; the values for
> the proxy were still in the boxes (but grayed-out).  It appears all the
> browsers were ignoring these values, as the Internet Options said to not
> use a proxy.  Livecode seemed to get that value still.  After setting that
> to empty on a system-wide basis, then saving revPreferences, the proxy
> value is now empty in LC across restarts.
>
> Alas the lookAndFeel is still not working.  I took your suggestion
> seriously, and did a restart. But still no change on this front.
>
> If I put the platform, it is "Win32".  If I change the lookAndFeel through
> the menu, then the lookAndFeel reports "Windows 95".  But this does not
> persist across restarts.  You may be right, that the lookAndFeel is not
> saved with revPreferences.  But then the conundrum is why this would look
> like "Motif" by default, whereas on LC 6.7 and earlier it correctly stays
> as "Windows 95"
>
> Incidentally, do you find that clicking the "native theme" on the View menu
> has any effect, i.e if you choose "Motif", then after that choose "Native
> Theme", does it display the appropriate appearance for your platform?  When
> I try this on 6.7 and 7.0.1, it changes nothing.
>
> Bernard
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Reading up on some stuff. You might check to make sure that windows
> itself
> > doesn't have a stuck proxy setting (not likely, since you'd notice it
> > elsewhere, but worth a check) because liburl will use the windows setting
> > of it isn't set specifically with code.  At least it's something to
> > eliminate.  Might also (if you didn't) confirm that "the platform" does
> > indeed return win32 to eliminate that also.  I haven't yet found where
> the
> > "lookandfeel" is stored if at all, doesn't look like it is so far, hence
> my
> > re-asking about the platform. I looked at what the menu selection does,
> and
> > it appears that all it does is "set the lookandfeel to ..whatever" but
> > there could be a setprop somewhere that I haven't found yet.
> >
> > Worst case (I know its a pain) setup a plugin that sets the lookandfeel
> to
> > "appearance manager" as well as setting the proxy to empty.
> >
> > Another silly thought, but.. this is windows.  Have you restarted lately?
> > About out of ideas, but i'll keep poking around and maybe get lucky.
> >
> >
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From bonnmike at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 19:50:22 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:50:22 -0700
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpmZ+fz+7rgc04sG+FEpJao42wmV4wkoXqCrFfAueD_4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpDQi3C2R-EAfNqjtpJ9mHw5ah_i_9wtTMf0msyhHojiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-Gu2R+US4b569UnLc=eLxGUquGsbEvFiVq4V1-98edBrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrwv+eCUkqzWLZbOjErJp9UCszn-fQgpy7KkPJzTAshXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-FOxKcKDGDTXh0nnTfZNkm=8bxzQLfXzSrRXT6HpB1jWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpaT=mE=-+VbwRh2GTV4_9zXVj_35m2mvOgxvnyBBxGnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-HpkQWfKuU866e6u_5b0c=qX-WMWyJpdOyHSj1ktuiGkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpmZ+fz+7rgc04sG+FEpJao42wmV4wkoXqCrFfAueD_4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSphTr7Qt=JgQcN0ff_gtSr+OfGJi=mCtPsh+NSaH4F_Og@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, I'm on win7 64 bit. If you're on 95, the behavior would differ.  It
would try to set to appearance manager (most likely) then shift to windows
95. Wish I had more os's around here to experiment with.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can't test on 7.0.1 stable, but on rc4 it has an affect. in rc4 from the
> menu, it does appear to work for me, setting back to the native appearance
> manager look.
>
> I looked at this though:
> The "Appearance Manager" option can be used only on Windows XP, Mac OS and
> OS X systems. If you set the lookAndFeel to "Appearance Manager" on a Unix
>  system, it is reset to "Motif". Similarly, tf you set the lookAndFeel to
> "Appearance Manager" on a pre-Windows XP system, it is reset to "Wondows
> 95".
>
> It is still behaving as if the engine doesn't think you're on windows.
> Since you can set it, and it is then "reset", somewhere in there it must be
> checking the platform and failing.  At this point, since you checked the
> platform from the msg box, I have NO idea why it might be doing that.  So
> color me stumped.
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The suggestion about a system proxy was a good one!
>>
>> That proxy was disabled on a system-wide basis on Windows; the values for
>> the proxy were still in the boxes (but grayed-out).  It appears all the
>> browsers were ignoring these values, as the Internet Options said to not
>> use a proxy.  Livecode seemed to get that value still.  After setting that
>> to empty on a system-wide basis, then saving revPreferences, the proxy
>> value is now empty in LC across restarts.
>>
>> Alas the lookAndFeel is still not working.  I took your suggestion
>> seriously, and did a restart. But still no change on this front.
>>
>> If I put the platform, it is "Win32".  If I change the lookAndFeel through
>> the menu, then the lookAndFeel reports "Windows 95".  But this does not
>> persist across restarts.  You may be right, that the lookAndFeel is not
>> saved with revPreferences.  But then the conundrum is why this would look
>> like "Motif" by default, whereas on LC 6.7 and earlier it correctly stays
>> as "Windows 95"
>>
>> Incidentally, do you find that clicking the "native theme" on the View
>> menu
>> has any effect, i.e if you choose "Motif", then after that choose "Native
>> Theme", does it display the appropriate appearance for your platform?
>> When
>> I try this on 6.7 and 7.0.1, it changes nothing.
>>
>> Bernard
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Reading up on some stuff. You might check to make sure that windows
>> itself
>> > doesn't have a stuck proxy setting (not likely, since you'd notice it
>> > elsewhere, but worth a check) because liburl will use the windows
>> setting
>> > of it isn't set specifically with code.  At least it's something to
>> > eliminate.  Might also (if you didn't) confirm that "the platform" does
>> > indeed return win32 to eliminate that also.  I haven't yet found where
>> the
>> > "lookandfeel" is stored if at all, doesn't look like it is so far,
>> hence my
>> > re-asking about the platform. I looked at what the menu selection does,
>> and
>> > it appears that all it does is "set the lookandfeel to ..whatever" but
>> > there could be a setprop somewhere that I haven't found yet.
>> >
>> > Worst case (I know its a pain) setup a plugin that sets the lookandfeel
>> to
>> > "appearance manager" as well as setting the proxy to empty.
>> >
>> > Another silly thought, but.. this is windows.  Have you restarted
>> lately?
>> > About out of ideas, but i'll keep poking around and maybe get lucky.
>> >
>> >
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Dec 29 20:19:16 2014
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:19:16 +1100
Subject: lcext for iOS
In-Reply-To: <4A77D6A8-3730-4E38-91F5-EB32ADF48309@canelasoftware.com>
References: <4A77D6A8-3730-4E38-91F5-EB32ADF48309@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <FB34D371-704F-4E02-96DB-00A8A9E3CACD@sweattechnologies.com>

You won?t get a copy of the lcext file in the bundle. iOS externals are statically linked into the engine executable during the build.

> On 30 Dec 2014, at 10:26 am, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> I am trying to include a mergSocket.lcext file with my iOS build, but the standalone builder refuses to include it. There are no errors, just no file in the bundle.
> 
> I am using  LC 7.0.1 on OSX 10.9 using SDK 8.1. I am selecting copy file directly, not copy folder. The file is located in a folder called binaries.
> 
> If I change the extension, the file copies fine. Any ideas about what I am doing wrong or missing? I think it?s me because I know I was successful with this version of mergSocket a couple months ago, probably using LC 7.0, but it?s not working any longer.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Eric
> 
> 
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From pete at lcsql.com  Mon Dec 29 21:28:17 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:28:17 -0800
Subject: Group command with an object list
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSo1tJFgia-=7SENMWEKm81swBC_WEVC7ot63e0ktMWj0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7ePppVOJFp1j1bocj6gGscXphj58tiKYo2fUNsQV+JDy8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSo1tJFgia-=7SENMWEKm81swBC_WEVC7ot63e0ktMWj0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eO9ccirw7rzFmQmHUGptssXZjTqj=sZA6-b+B_Qiowo_w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mike.  Now you come to mention it, I think I came across this once
before.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> It seems that tList can't be long ids, or long names (as far as I can
> tell), but selectedobjects   field "field" and button "button" will
> probably work, but there's an easier way.
>
> Save the list of selectedObjects however you currently do it, just exactly
> as it shows up from the selectedobjects (since it sounds like you are
> wanting to be able to group the objects later using code)
>
> Once that is done, to group them is easy.
>
> lock screen
> repeat for each line tLine in myData
>    set the selected of tLine to true
> end repeat
> -- after this, all the objects you chose should be selected so then..
> group -- since they're selected, it bypasses the need to feed it a properly
> formatted list
> unlock screen
>
> You might want to deselect the group that is created after the grouping
> since it will be selected with handles showing, but I think you can
> set the selected of the last group to false
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>
> > Getting a run time error on command "group tList".  I'm constructing
> tList
> > from the selectedObjects by replace return with " and " and making sure
> > there isn't a trailing " and " at the end.
> >
> > The runtime error includes the contents of tList which look correct to
> me -
> > "<long id of field 1> and <long id of field 2>".
> >
> > I can get round it by putting "group " at the start of tList then "do
> > tList" but why doesn't this work?
> >
> > Pete
> > lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Mon Dec 29 21:31:44 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:31:44 -0800
Subject: lcext for iOS
In-Reply-To: <FB34D371-704F-4E02-96DB-00A8A9E3CACD@sweattechnologies.com>
References: <4A77D6A8-3730-4E38-91F5-EB32ADF48309@canelasoftware.com>
	<FB34D371-704F-4E02-96DB-00A8A9E3CACD@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BE157E51-C129-4152-8866-3A88FF778741@canelasoftware.com>

Thanks Monte, must be the way I modified how I use the library in my latest socket implementation. I'll do some additional testing.

Thanks,

 - e

On Dec 29, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Monte Goulding wrote:

> You won?t get a copy of the lcext file in the bundle. iOS externals are statically linked into the engine executable during the build.
> 
>> On 30 Dec 2014, at 10:26 am, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to include a mergSocket.lcext file with my iOS build, but the standalone builder refuses to include it. There are no errors, just no file in the bundle.
>> 
>> I am using  LC 7.0.1 on OSX 10.9 using SDK 8.1. I am selecting copy file directly, not copy folder. The file is located in a folder called binaries.
>> 
>> If I change the extension, the file copies fine. Any ideas about what I am doing wrong or missing? I think it?s me because I know I was successful with this version of mergSocket a couple months ago, probably using LC 7.0, but it?s not working any longer.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> - Eric
>> 
>> 
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> --
> Monte Goulding
> 
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> mergExt <http://mergext.com/> - There's an external for that!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de  Tue Dec 30 03:40:28 2014
From: matthias_livecode_150811 at m-r-d.de (Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:40:28 +0100
Subject: Looking for Json.lc
In-Reply-To: <71862AAD-80AB-43A3-BDC2-5C6C70328956@stallibrass.com>
References: <71862AAD-80AB-43A3-BDC2-5C6C70328956@stallibrass.com>
Message-ID: <BBD925B9-6579-41FE-9B7D-3E1957CDD348@m-r-d.de>

Kevin,

the file is still there. At least at Splash21.com. John Craig renamed the file to json.lcx because lcServer is running on that server and therefore .lc files cannot be downloaded from it.

You can find the file here http://splash21.com/info/json.lcx

HTH

Matthias


> Am 30.12.2014 um 01:45 schrieb Stallibrass <kevin at stallibrass.com>:
> 
> I've got notification to iOS devices up and running from Livecode on a Mac but need to make it run from Livecode server. The posts I've read here and elsewhere on the web all refer to the inclusion of Json.lc but unfortunately all links I've been able to find are inactive. Anyone know where I can find a copy?
> Regards
> Kevin Stallibrass
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From admin at FlexibleLearning.com  Tue Dec 30 04:16:00 2014
From: admin at FlexibleLearning.com (FlexibleLearning.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 09:16:00 -0000
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
Message-ID: <002001d02411$3bb424d0$b31c6e70$@FlexibleLearning.com>

Thank you, Bob.

www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter

Hugh Senior
FLCo


On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 23:39:29 +0000, Bob Sneidar
<bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

I was having the same epiphany. I did this with a local mySQL database a
little while back and it worked a peach. I had a little delay timer going so
that if the user typed another character within a certain time frame the
counter would reset. Once the user stopped typing for a small length of
time, *then* the query would trigger.

What I didn't do was the look and feel part. THAT I need to incorporate.
Very cool.

Bob S


On Dec 24, 2014, at 13:47 , Peter Haworth
<pete at lcsql.com<mailto:pete at lcsql.com>> wrote:

Thanks Hugh, very nice.

I couldn't resist trying this using an SQLite database instead of the
preloaded data.  I created a database with one table named Places with one
column named Data that holds the preloaded data, then imported the
preloaded data into it.

The script changes were pretty minimal, just open the database at startup,
then instead of the filter command:

put revDataFromQuery(,,gDBID,"SELECT Data FROM Places WHERE Data LIKE :1
ORDER BY Data","tSearch")

tSearch is the variable that holds the search string with "%" signs either
after or before/after depending on the wildcard setting.

The query takes an average of around 15 msecs vs the filter command taking
perhaps 2msecs but neither time is noticeable to a user.



Pete




From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 06:32:45 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:32:45 +0000
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
In-Reply-To: <CAG1cpSpmZ+fz+7rgc04sG+FEpJao42wmV4wkoXqCrFfAueD_4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-E_39qxznST3eYa1mHTUatEp09qdKCMtnL2jujhS0YFig@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpDQi3C2R-EAfNqjtpJ9mHw5ah_i_9wtTMf0msyhHojiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-Gu2R+US4b569UnLc=eLxGUquGsbEvFiVq4V1-98edBrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrwv+eCUkqzWLZbOjErJp9UCszn-fQgpy7KkPJzTAshXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-FOxKcKDGDTXh0nnTfZNkm=8bxzQLfXzSrRXT6HpB1jWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpaT=mE=-+VbwRh2GTV4_9zXVj_35m2mvOgxvnyBBxGnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-HpkQWfKuU866e6u_5b0c=qX-WMWyJpdOyHSj1ktuiGkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpmZ+fz+7rgc04sG+FEpJao42wmV4wkoXqCrFfAueD_4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-EuokUzqU4WhO3fuRmnZJneiLxfGT3+txWkCb46EeyZyg@mail.gmail.com>

Mike, I'm extremely grateful for your help on this matter.  And I have
finally got some kind of explanation of what is going wrong.

Hearing that the native appearance manager worked for you on Win7/64 -
which is what I'm on too - I created another user account and logged in
there.  LC7 RC4 "native theme" works when using that account. That was a
breakthrough.

So I returned to my normal account and checked if I had switched off Aero
or something else.  I hadn't.  But what I had done was had set an image as
my desktop background.  I saved that "theme", and reverted to the default
Windows 7 theme, and now "native theme" works within LC7.  Having a plain
themed background has not been a problem on LC 5.x or 6.x.  I was working
on this Win7 PC with LC 5.5 for about 3 years.

If I revert back to my old desktop theme, with LC7 open, the "view" menu
gets completely screwed up in LC7.  Basically, it looks like a wreck -- it
has different colours from the other LC menus and is neither a Win95, OS X
nor Motif theme.  Restart LC7 with my themed desktop, and I'm back to a
Motif appearance and the problem of the "native theme" option not working.
If I switch to any of the other provided themes which are installed on
Win7, then it is only after a restart of LC7 that the appearance reverts,
and "native theme" works.

I guess this must mean I'm the only LC user who has created a theme of
their own.  Mine was nothing more than a graphic I used as the backdrop for
the desktop.

I can at least enter this in the bug report.

Regards,
Bernard



On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can't test on 7.0.1 stable, but on rc4 it has an affect. in rc4 from the
> menu, it does appear to work for me, setting back to the native appearance
> manager look.
>
> I looked at this though:
> The "Appearance Manager" option can be used only on Windows XP, Mac OS and
> OS X systems. If you set the lookAndFeel to "Appearance Manager" on a Unix
>  system, it is reset to "Motif". Similarly, tf you set the lookAndFeel to
> "Appearance Manager" on a pre-Windows XP system, it is reset to "Wondows
> 95".
>
> It is still behaving as if the engine doesn't think you're on windows.
> Since you can set it, and it is then "reset", somewhere in there it must be
> checking the platform and failing.  At this point, since you checked the
> platform from the msg box, I have NO idea why it might be doing that.  So
> color me stumped.
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The suggestion about a system proxy was a good one!
> >
> > That proxy was disabled on a system-wide basis on Windows; the values for
> > the proxy were still in the boxes (but grayed-out).  It appears all the
> > browsers were ignoring these values, as the Internet Options said to not
> > use a proxy.  Livecode seemed to get that value still.  After setting
> that
> > to empty on a system-wide basis, then saving revPreferences, the proxy
> > value is now empty in LC across restarts.
> >
> > Alas the lookAndFeel is still not working.  I took your suggestion
> > seriously, and did a restart. But still no change on this front.
> >
> > If I put the platform, it is "Win32".  If I change the lookAndFeel
> through
> > the menu, then the lookAndFeel reports "Windows 95".  But this does not
> > persist across restarts.  You may be right, that the lookAndFeel is not
> > saved with revPreferences.  But then the conundrum is why this would look
> > like "Motif" by default, whereas on LC 6.7 and earlier it correctly stays
> > as "Windows 95"
> >
> > Incidentally, do you find that clicking the "native theme" on the View
> menu
> > has any effect, i.e if you choose "Motif", then after that choose "Native
> > Theme", does it display the appropriate appearance for your platform?
> When
> > I try this on 6.7 and 7.0.1, it changes nothing.
> >
> > Bernard
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Reading up on some stuff. You might check to make sure that windows
> > itself
> > > doesn't have a stuck proxy setting (not likely, since you'd notice it
> > > elsewhere, but worth a check) because liburl will use the windows
> setting
> > > of it isn't set specifically with code.  At least it's something to
> > > eliminate.  Might also (if you didn't) confirm that "the platform" does
> > > indeed return win32 to eliminate that also.  I haven't yet found where
> > the
> > > "lookandfeel" is stored if at all, doesn't look like it is so far,
> hence
> > my
> > > re-asking about the platform. I looked at what the menu selection does,
> > and
> > > it appears that all it does is "set the lookandfeel to ..whatever" but
> > > there could be a setprop somewhere that I haven't found yet.
> > >
> > > Worst case (I know its a pain) setup a plugin that sets the lookandfeel
> > to
> > > "appearance manager" as well as setting the proxy to empty.
> > >
> > > Another silly thought, but.. this is windows.  Have you restarted
> lately?
> > > About out of ideas, but i'll keep poking around and maybe get lucky.
> > >
> > >
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From kevin at stallibrass.com  Tue Dec 30 06:38:36 2014
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:38:36 -0000
Subject: Looking for Json.lc
Message-ID: <117b01d02425$26dea620$749bf260$@com>

Thanks for that Mattias, got it now

Regards

Kevin



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 07:04:16 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:04:16 +0000
Subject: LC 7: Variant Windows 7 themes on end-user PCs may make your app
	appear with a Unix appearance
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-GhVGh0x_feyBoQ4tQROgNp0FEvbFPz03FLHGsDECY5uw@mail.gmail.com>

I thought I'd rename the subject, as my previous message where this was
discussed referred to the IDE not saving preferences.  However, what this
has eventually turned out to be may have wider repercussions than just the
IDE.

http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14315

I'm concluding that since no-one else but me appears to have run into this
problem, that very few people must alter the appearance of a Windows
desktop background to remove visual clutter.

Bernard


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 07:24:38 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:24:38 +0200
Subject: LC 7: Variant Windows 7 themes on end-user PCs may make your
	app appear with a Unix appearance
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-GhVGh0x_feyBoQ4tQROgNp0FEvbFPz03FLHGsDECY5uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-GhVGh0x_feyBoQ4tQROgNp0FEvbFPz03FLHGsDECY5uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A29986.4090208@gmail.com>

On 30/12/14 14:04, Bernard Devlin wrote:
> I thought I'd rename the subject, as my previous message where this was
> discussed referred to the IDE not saving preferences.  However, what this
> has eventually turned out to be may have wider repercussions than just the
> IDE.
>
> http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14315
>
> I'm concluding that since no-one else but me appears to have run into this
> problem, that very few people must alter the appearance of a Windows
> desktop background to remove visual clutter.
>
> Bernard
> _______________________________________________
>

That is 'pips' as my children used to say before they grew up: and it
is pips compared with the problem facing anybody developing for Linux
where a "thousand flowers bloom".

If you start worrying about your end-users' desktop furniture you will
spend your life in hell.

This is why I DON'T used buttons and so on: I set up a button they way I 
want it and then
import a snapshot of it, so that it will appear consistently wherever it 
is deployed.

You can never be "the man for all men" (sexism aside), and you can waste 
weeks
trying to be that; as I am rigidly monogamous (and, when I pause to 
think about
things, my partner is female) I make an effort to ensure that work I do 
looks
exactly the same wherever it is deployed; that being less effort than 
worrying myself
sick aboput how the thing is going to look on all the possible OS+window 
manager+desktop
combinations it might appear on (ReactOS with KDE, anyone????).

Richmond.



From bonnmike at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 10:44:22 2014
From: bonnmike at gmail.com (Mike Bonner)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 08:44:22 -0700
Subject: resetting preferences in 7.0.1 rc4 (Windows 7)
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	<CA+O+R-Gu2R+US4b569UnLc=eLxGUquGsbEvFiVq4V1-98edBrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSrwv+eCUkqzWLZbOjErJp9UCszn-fQgpy7KkPJzTAshXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-FOxKcKDGDTXh0nnTfZNkm=8bxzQLfXzSrRXT6HpB1jWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpaT=mE=-+VbwRh2GTV4_9zXVj_35m2mvOgxvnyBBxGnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-HpkQWfKuU866e6u_5b0c=qX-WMWyJpdOyHSj1ktuiGkQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAG1cpSpmZ+fz+7rgc04sG+FEpJao42wmV4wkoXqCrFfAueD_4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-EuokUzqU4WhO3fuRmnZJneiLxfGT3+txWkCb46EeyZyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG1cpSpLsO5zu_Jnnfh03uF01vFVrBET8ztApzkjtfk=TRSibw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey cool. It would never have occurred to me that setting a background
could wreak such havoc.  Another bug to squash is a good thing. (2 in fact,
lc shouldn't pick up the disabled proxy setting either)

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike, I'm extremely grateful for your help on this matter.  And I have
> finally got some kind of explanation of what is going wrong.
>
> Hearing that the native appearance manager worked for you on Win7/64 -
> which is what I'm on too - I created another user account and logged in
> there.  LC7 RC4 "native theme" works when using that account. That was a
> breakthrough.
>
> So I returned to my normal account and checked if I had switched off Aero
> or something else.  I hadn't.  But what I had done was had set an image as
> my desktop background.  I saved that "theme", and reverted to the default
> Windows 7 theme, and now "native theme" works within LC7.  Having a plain
> themed background has not been a problem on LC 5.x or 6.x.  I was working
> on this Win7 PC with LC 5.5 for about 3 years.
>
> If I revert back to my old desktop theme, with LC7 open, the "view" menu
> gets completely screwed up in LC7.  Basically, it looks like a wreck -- it
> has different colours from the other LC menus and is neither a Win95, OS X
> nor Motif theme.  Restart LC7 with my themed desktop, and I'm back to a
> Motif appearance and the problem of the "native theme" option not working.
> If I switch to any of the other provided themes which are installed on
> Win7, then it is only after a restart of LC7 that the appearance reverts,
> and "native theme" works.
>
> I guess this must mean I'm the only LC user who has created a theme of
> their own.  Mine was nothing more than a graphic I used as the backdrop for
> the desktop.
>
> I can at least enter this in the bug report.
>
> Regards,
> Bernard
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Can't test on 7.0.1 stable, but on rc4 it has an affect. in rc4 from the
> > menu, it does appear to work for me, setting back to the native
> appearance
> > manager look.
> >
> > I looked at this though:
> > The "Appearance Manager" option can be used only on Windows XP, Mac OS
> and
> > OS X systems. If you set the lookAndFeel to "Appearance Manager" on a
> Unix
> >  system, it is reset to "Motif". Similarly, tf you set the lookAndFeel to
> > "Appearance Manager" on a pre-Windows XP system, it is reset to "Wondows
> > 95".
> >
> > It is still behaving as if the engine doesn't think you're on windows.
> > Since you can set it, and it is then "reset", somewhere in there it must
> be
> > checking the platform and failing.  At this point, since you checked the
> > platform from the msg box, I have NO idea why it might be doing that.  So
> > color me stumped.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The suggestion about a system proxy was a good one!
> > >
> > > That proxy was disabled on a system-wide basis on Windows; the values
> for
> > > the proxy were still in the boxes (but grayed-out).  It appears all the
> > > browsers were ignoring these values, as the Internet Options said to
> not
> > > use a proxy.  Livecode seemed to get that value still.  After setting
> > that
> > > to empty on a system-wide basis, then saving revPreferences, the proxy
> > > value is now empty in LC across restarts.
> > >
> > > Alas the lookAndFeel is still not working.  I took your suggestion
> > > seriously, and did a restart. But still no change on this front.
> > >
> > > If I put the platform, it is "Win32".  If I change the lookAndFeel
> > through
> > > the menu, then the lookAndFeel reports "Windows 95".  But this does not
> > > persist across restarts.  You may be right, that the lookAndFeel is not
> > > saved with revPreferences.  But then the conundrum is why this would
> look
> > > like "Motif" by default, whereas on LC 6.7 and earlier it correctly
> stays
> > > as "Windows 95"
> > >
> > > Incidentally, do you find that clicking the "native theme" on the View
> > menu
> > > has any effect, i.e if you choose "Motif", then after that choose
> "Native
> > > Theme", does it display the appropriate appearance for your platform?
> > When
> > > I try this on 6.7 and 7.0.1, it changes nothing.
> > >
> > > Bernard
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Mike Bonner <bonnmike at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Reading up on some stuff. You might check to make sure that windows
> > > itself
> > > > doesn't have a stuck proxy setting (not likely, since you'd notice it
> > > > elsewhere, but worth a check) because liburl will use the windows
> > setting
> > > > of it isn't set specifically with code.  At least it's something to
> > > > eliminate.  Might also (if you didn't) confirm that "the platform"
> does
> > > > indeed return win32 to eliminate that also.  I haven't yet found
> where
> > > the
> > > > "lookandfeel" is stored if at all, doesn't look like it is so far,
> > hence
> > > my
> > > > re-asking about the platform. I looked at what the menu selection
> does,
> > > and
> > > > it appears that all it does is "set the lookandfeel to ..whatever"
> but
> > > > there could be a setprop somewhere that I haven't found yet.
> > > >
> > > > Worst case (I know its a pain) setup a plugin that sets the
> lookandfeel
> > > to
> > > > "appearance manager" as well as setting the proxy to empty.
> > > >
> > > > Another silly thought, but.. this is windows.  Have you restarted
> > lately?
> > > > About out of ideas, but i'll keep poking around and maybe get lucky.
> > > >
> > > >
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Tue Dec 30 11:59:11 2014
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:59:11 -0000
Subject: Problem with read from driver until empty in 7.01
Message-ID: <000001d02451$ef599200$ce0cb600$@tesco.net>

Hi ,

 

I use "read from driver xxx until empty" 

 

To empty read buffer when using serial comms.

 

In 6.7 this works fine but in 7.01 causes random hangs if used.

 

 

Regards

Camm



From gcanyon at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 12:21:03 2014
From: gcanyon at gmail.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:21:03 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Free: Google-style typing filter for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <00d801d01eb5$71fe7600$55fb6200$@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <CAKCLKtq4+fb+=jfzGHbhYterjdXAvUy3pK0YntftJwKbSCmKZw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 7:36 AM, FlexibleLearning.com <
admin at flexiblelearning.com> wrote:

>
> www.FlexibleLearning.com/typingfilter
>
>
Nice work, Hugh! I remember doing something similar about eighteen years
ago and having to write the code to do a thousand lines of the search
material at a time, displaying results as it went, and using send..in to
allow the user to continue typing. Technology is a wonderful thing, eh?

One suggestion: the filter command allows wildcards by default, so the
coloring code will fail if you search for something like E*st it will
find Eads, United States (Colorado) but will only highlight the st. Not
sure the best way to address this since matchchunk doesn't work the same as
filter. You could switch filter to using regex, I suppose.

gc


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 30 12:31:43 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:31:43 -0600
Subject: LC 7: Variant Windows 7 themes on end-user PCs may make your	app
	appear with a Unix appearance
In-Reply-To: <54A29986.4090208@gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-GhVGh0x_feyBoQ4tQROgNp0FEvbFPz03FLHGsDECY5uw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A29986.4090208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1415BF10-E8B0-4434-BB7D-FCAC816D71A9@hyperactivesw.com>

This problem is less about appearance and more about the failure of the platform function. Seems significant to me. 

On December 30, 2014 6:24:38 AM CST, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>If you start worrying about your end-users' desktop furniture you will
>spend your life in hell.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dochawk at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 13:20:02 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:20:02 -0800
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>

I am having problems with script scope variables (declared local before any
handler) becoming unset, apparently within individual lines of handlers.

For example, the code
on shwChcStk
   ck "chstk: _" & chStk  & "_; " & cr & chStk is empty
   if chStk is empty then
      --debug only; this happens in the debugger.
      answer "chStk empty"
      breakpoint
      initCtr
   end if
   if the chcStk of me then
      lock messages --chStk becomes unset during openstack!
      palette chStk
      unlock messages
      set the width of chStk to the width of chFld

where ck is a logger:

on ck stuff
   --   answer stuff
   --   breakpoint
   put stuff
   put stuff & cr after fld "log" of stack "ckwatch"
end ck

First it oddly produces simply "false" as the output, rather than

_chStk_
false

If I comment out from &cr on it produces the first part.

In any event, it can get to "if chStk" is empty with a value for chStk,
open that stack as a pallete, and then have nothing in chStk or chFld  two
lines later.

But this isn't entirely predictable, either--if I remove the lock messages
around the palette command, ckStk gets emptied every time, even though
there is nothing in the  preOpenStack/OpenStack  handlers executes other
than  logging of the milliseconds to a global,  checks for whether it is
the main stack, and an exit.

And the weirdness continues.

In another section

  ck the selectedChunk

produced
    word 5 to 4 of field 11

the next line,

   put the selectedChunk into pos

put something like
   char 10000 to 100007 of field 1

Is the put statement into the message box or another field (of a closed
stack) changing the selectedChunk ???

THis is 7.0.1


-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From jhj at jhj.com  Tue Dec 30 13:46:53 2014
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry Jensen)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:46:53 -0800
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D78B39-0277-412A-8230-ECB37233CE8A@jhj.com>

On Dec 30, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

>   ck "chstk: _" & chStk  & "_; " & cr & chStk is empty

Add parens to that line to force precedence (which I can never keep track of in LC or anywhere):
  ck "chstk: _" & chStk  & "_; " & cr & (chStk is empty)
Wihout the parens it will always evaluate to just false.

.Jerry




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Dec 30 13:59:05 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:59:05 -0600
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A2F5F9.3080905@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/30/2014 12:20 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> I am having problems with script scope variables (declared local before any
> handler) becoming unset, apparently within individual lines of handlers.
>
> For example, the code
> on shwChcStk
>     ck "chstk: _" & chStk  & "_; " & cr & chStk is empty
>     if chStk is empty then
>        --debug only; this happens in the debugger.
>        answer "chStk empty"
>        breakpoint
>        initCtr
>     end if
>     if the chcStk of me then
>        lock messages --chStk becomes unset during openstack!
>        palette chStk
>        unlock messages
>        set the width of chStk to the width of chFld
>
> where ck is a logger:
>
> on ck stuff
>     --   answer stuff
>     --   breakpoint
>     put stuff
>     put stuff & cr after fld "log" of stack "ckwatch"
> end ck
>
> First it oddly produces simply "false" as the output, rather than
>
> _chStk_
> false
>
> If I comment out from &cr on it produces the first part.
>
> In any event, it can get to "if chStk" is empty with a value for chStk,
> open that stack as a pallete, and then have nothing in chStk or chFld  two
> lines later.
>
> But this isn't entirely predictable, either--if I remove the lock messages
> around the palette command, ckStk gets emptied every time, even though
> there is nothing in the  preOpenStack/OpenStack  handlers executes other
> than  logging of the milliseconds to a global,  checks for whether it is
> the main stack, and an exit.

The semicolon has a special meaning and signifies the end of a script 
statement when used in certain conditions. It looks like the engine is 
trying to execute your literal. Try changing the semicolon to a 
different character.

>
> And the weirdness continues.
>
> In another section
>
>    ck the selectedChunk
>
> produced
>      word 5 to 4 of field 11
>
> the next line,
>
>     put the selectedChunk into pos
>
> put something like
>     char 10000 to 100007 of field 1
>
> Is the put statement into the message box or another field (of a closed
> stack) changing the selectedChunk ???

The ck handler changes the field focus twice, once to the message box 
and again to a logging field. The original selection is lost.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Tue Dec 30 14:22:09 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:22:09 -0800
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7ePe=Jc-MDdrgNmT7mHm7JjBAe4hGLX+Vrn6OioLCcFTHA@mail.gmail.com>

Your code refers to chstk in one place and chcStk  in another.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am having problems with script scope variables (declared local before any
> handler) becoming unset, apparently within individual lines of handlers.
>
> For example, the code
> on shwChcStk
>    ck "chstk: _" & chStk  & "_; " & cr & chStk is empty
>    if chStk is empty then
>       --debug only; this happens in the debugger.
>       answer "chStk empty"
>       breakpoint
>       initCtr
>    end if
>    if the chcStk of me then
>       lock messages --chStk becomes unset during openstack!
>       palette chStk
>       unlock messages
>       set the width of chStk to the width of chFld
>
> where ck is a logger:
>
> on ck stuff
>    --   answer stuff
>    --   breakpoint
>    put stuff
>    put stuff & cr after fld "log" of stack "ckwatch"
> end ck
>
> First it oddly produces simply "false" as the output, rather than
>
> _chStk_
> false
>
> If I comment out from &cr on it produces the first part.
>
> In any event, it can get to "if chStk" is empty with a value for chStk,
> open that stack as a pallete, and then have nothing in chStk or chFld  two
> lines later.
>
> But this isn't entirely predictable, either--if I remove the lock messages
> around the palette command, ckStk gets emptied every time, even though
> there is nothing in the  preOpenStack/OpenStack  handlers executes other
> than  logging of the milliseconds to a global,  checks for whether it is
> the main stack, and an exit.
>
> And the weirdness continues.
>
> In another section
>
>   ck the selectedChunk
>
> produced
>     word 5 to 4 of field 11
>
> the next line,
>
>    put the selectedChunk into pos
>
> put something like
>    char 10000 to 100007 of field 1
>
> Is the put statement into the message box or another field (of a closed
> stack) changing the selectedChunk ???
>
> THis is 7.0.1
>
>
> --
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
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From skip at magicgate.com  Tue Dec 30 15:43:54 2014
From: skip at magicgate.com (Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:43:54 -0500
Subject: Alternative to calling via cURL
Message-ID: <CAO8Ty4PO7snOrO3h5Ax9V_f6m1ffExW2-PcZ7VrMD6ZYJz=kLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello LC'ers

I have an API I am trying to get data from, I can access it via cURL, how
would I attack this from a LC level?

Example of call:

curl -G -H "api_key: A28894762098BJTEST"
https://api.myapi.com/test/v1/products
--data-urlencode 'q={"cat_id":12345,"brand":"My Brand","model":"My Model"}'

I am sure there is a way to do this from within LC. The results come back
as JSON, which I can deal with.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

SKIP


From mikedoub at gmail.com  Tue Dec 30 16:16:05 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:16:05 -0500
Subject: Alternative to calling via cURL
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Ty4PO7snOrO3h5Ax9V_f6m1ffExW2-PcZ7VrMD6ZYJz=kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Ty4PO7snOrO3h5Ax9V_f6m1ffExW2-PcZ7VrMD6ZYJz=kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A31615.5020200@gmail.com>

Skip,

Take a look at the postmark routines in my MasterLibrary.   I think that 
they will get you started.   Also the library contains the JSON code you 
will need.

Regards,
     Mike

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3wpwn3hfbmpl7sk/MasterLibrary.livecode?dl=0



On 12/30/14 3:43 PM, Magicgate Software - Skip Kimpel wrote:
> Hello LC'ers
>
> I have an API I am trying to get data from, I can access it via cURL, how
> would I attack this from a LC level?
>
> Example of call:
>
> curl -G -H "api_key: A28894762098BJTEST"
> https://api.myapi.com/test/v1/products
> --data-urlencode 'q={"cat_id":12345,"brand":"My Brand","model":"My Model"}'
>
> I am sure there is a way to do this from within LC. The results come back
> as JSON, which I can deal with.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
> SKIP
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Tue Dec 30 19:32:54 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:32:54 +0000
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>

Unfortunately I do not tweet. Or twitter for that matter. Although I *have* been called a twit on an indeterminate number of occasions. 

Bob S


> On Dec 29, 2014, at 15:34 , Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> #code2014 is this year?s programming languages popularity poll. You can see the current results at http://www.code2014.com <http://www.code2014.com/>
> 
> As I write this note, LiveCode doesn?t have a single vote. I am about to change that. You can vote by tweeting with the hashtag #code2014 and mentioning the languages you have used in 2014.
> 
> Why don?t you?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter
> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com <http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/>
> 
> 
> 
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Tue Dec 30 19:34:46 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 16:34:46 -0800
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <49C3323C-0F1B-4D19-982F-5286DA985A20@canelasoftware.com>

I started a twitter account just to vote, but can?t get it to work. My tweet is not going through and private is not on.

- Eric

On Dec 30, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately I do not tweet. Or twitter for that matter. Although I *have* been called a twit on an indeterminate number of occasions. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 15:34 , Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> #code2014 is this year?s programming languages popularity poll. You can see the current results at http://www.code2014.com <http://www.code2014.com/>
>> 
>> As I write this note, LiveCode doesn?t have a single vote. I am about to change that. You can vote by tweeting with the hashtag #code2014 and mentioning the languages you have used in 2014.
>> 
>> Why don?t you?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
>> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com <http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Dec 30 19:45:53 2014
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 19:45:53 -0500
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <49C3323C-0F1B-4D19-982F-5286DA985A20@canelasoftware.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>
	<49C3323C-0F1B-4D19-982F-5286DA985A20@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <E23BC7D3-5605-4CA5-9931-9C8FDBED8732@verizon.net>

LiveCode is at 22 votes, a bit below the 1100 for Javascript.


> On Dec 30, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Eric Corbett <eric at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> I started a twitter account just to vote, but can?t get it to work. My tweet is not going through and private is not on.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 02:25:02 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:25:02 +0200
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <39F2E372-179B-441B-A7AC-BA6DB5693E0C@gmail.com>

I, too, have been called a twit, and far worse, many times. I have, also never tweeted, twittered or warbled; so it is obviously time to learn how to do this.

Richmond.

On 31 Dec 2014, at 02:32, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately I do not tweet. Or twitter for that matter. Although I *have* been called a twit on an indeterminate number of occasions. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 15:34 , Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> #code2014 is this year?s programming languages popularity poll. You can see the current results at http://www.code2014.com <http://www.code2014.com/>
>> 
>> As I write this note, LiveCode doesn?t have a single vote. I am about to change that. You can vote by tweeting with the hashtag #code2014 and mentioning the languages you have used in 2014.
>> 
>> Why don?t you?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
>> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com <http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 05:00:16 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:00:16 +0000
Subject: set the textstyle is dramatically slower on 7.0.1 than 5.5
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-EMaHu+gUvXsTpC-GE3aTKa412ySGJb22YKxGSOwCykmA@mail.gmail.com>

Using this kind of processing in a loop is extremely fast on 5.5:

set the textstyle["box"] of char x to y of fld 1 to true



On 7.0.1 it goes at a snail's pace.

I haven't bothered to do any benchmarks yet, just wondered if anyone else
has noticed this (or is it another of these things peculiar to me). I would
estimate that 7.0.1 is 10x slower than 5.5.  It is a very significant slow
down.

I searched RQCC and I can find no bug report relating to this.

Bernard


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 05:28:01 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:28:01 +0000
Subject: set the textstyle is dramatically slower on 7.0.1 than 5.5
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-EMaHu+gUvXsTpC-GE3aTKa412ySGJb22YKxGSOwCykmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-EMaHu+gUvXsTpC-GE3aTKa412ySGJb22YKxGSOwCykmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-FQJgZqH28_=XzJA-bp=i2cpmbpDCiP2Fx7+rKwdz=xGA@mail.gmail.com>

5.5 can mark up a fld containing almost 4000 lines, with a box round (at
least) one word of each line, in 7 seconds.

7.0.1 takes 136 seconds to process the same field, and switches after a
short while from using a LC-style "busy" cursor, to using the windows
system busy cursor.  Normally when I see that cursor in LC I'm expecting LC
to hang or crash.  The CPU is pegged at an average of 65% utilisation
during this process.

So, 7.0.1 is almost 20x slower than 5.5 for this operation.

Bernard

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Using this kind of processing in a loop is extremely fast on 5.5:
>
> set the textstyle["box"] of char x to y of fld 1 to true
>
>
>
> On 7.0.1 it goes at a snail's pace.
>
>


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 05:37:17 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:37:17 +0800
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <39F2E372-179B-441B-A7AC-BA6DB5693E0C@gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>
	<39F2E372-179B-441B-A7AC-BA6DB5693E0C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1CE48E3-596F-4E89-A014-3D278D737309@gmail.com>

Richmond

Well tweeted, well almost well tweeted. You vote hasn?t been counted yet although it does appear in the list of ?votes? when you click on the LiveCode circle.

You tweeted Livecode. Had you tweeted LiveCode or livecode you vote would have been counted. I?ve made a request for Livecode to be treated as LiveCode (by submitting a pull request on Github). If it is accepted your vote will get automatically added to the total. I am very hopeful that the request will be accepted but we will need to wait until America goes to work to find out.

So that you can have a good rant about the software that counts the votes.  It was written in Ruby and seems to use case-sensitive comparison.

Regards

Peter
http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com <http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/> 

> On 31 Dec 2014, at 15:25, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I, too, have been called a twit, and far worse, many times. I have, also never tweeted, twittered or warbled; so it is obviously time to learn how to do this.
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> On 31 Dec 2014, at 02:32, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> wrote:
> 
>> Unfortunately I do not tweet. Or twitter for that matter. Although I *have* been called a twit on an indeterminate number of occasions. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2014, at 15:34 , Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> #code2014 is this year?s programming languages popularity poll. You can see the current results at http://www.code2014.com <http://www.code2014.com/>
>>> 
>>> As I write this note, LiveCode doesn?t have a single vote. I am about to change that. You can vote by tweeting with the hashtag #code2014 and mentioning the languages you have used in 2014.
>>> 
>>> Why don?t you?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com <http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Dec 31 06:55:39 2014
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:55:39 +0100
Subject: set the textstyle is dramatically slower on 7.0.1 than 5.5  
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1781.1415126072.20523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.1781.1415126072.20523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CDB194D7-B116-430B-A981-7AB94AB0F341@derbrill.de>

Hi Bernard,

I am afraid 7.x is quite a bit slower in many places...

see: http://forums.livecode.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=22072

Most of this has to do with the rewrite of the engine I guess. Add the overhead for unicode... Boils down to I can not make the switch to 7.x just yet, before the dev team has found ways to optimize performance. If you find other areas where it is significantly slower, please do me a favour to set up a small benchmark and post it to the forums. The dev team and Richard as community manager are aware of that thread and as far as I understood actively looking into ways to optimize.

All the best,

Malte

From james at thehales.id.au  Wed Dec 31 06:58:56 2014
From: james at thehales.id.au (James Hale)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 22:58:56 +1100
Subject: set the textstyle is dramatically slower on 7.0.1 than 5.5
Message-ID: <DCE5991F-E3B4-4E3E-87D1-D32ABB31165F@thehales.id.au>

See http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11817

Some benchmarks and improvements (should have seen the slowdown before, well you can see.)

Hope it gets better.

James





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 08:14:09 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:14:09 +0200
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <B1CE48E3-596F-4E89-A014-3D278D737309@gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>	<407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>	<39F2E372-179B-441B-A7AC-BA6DB5693E0C@gmail.com>
	<B1CE48E3-596F-4E89-A014-3D278D737309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A3F6A1.10908@gmail.com>

On 31/12/14 12:37, Peter W A Wood wrote:
> Richmond
>
> Well tweeted, well almost well tweeted. You vote hasn?t been counted yet although it does appear in the list of ?votes? when you click on the LiveCode circle.
>
> You tweeted Livecode. Had you tweeted LiveCode or livecode you vote would have been counted. I?ve made a request for Livecode to be treated as LiveCode (by submitting a pull request on Github). If it is accepted your vote will get automatically added to the total. I am very hopeful that the request will be accepted but we will need to wait until America goes to work to find out.

Cripes: the rubicon was lost because of a lowercase letter!

Richmond.

>
> So that you can have a good rant about the software that counts the votes.  It was written in Ruby and seems to use case-sensitive comparison.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com <http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/>
>
>




From stgoldberg at aol.com  Wed Dec 31 10:36:42 2014
From: stgoldberg at aol.com (stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:36:42 -0500
Subject: Delete this card command not working in LIvecode 5.5.3
Message-ID: <8D1F326B658B159-1AF0-6E3BD@webmail-vm067.sysops.aol.com>

If I want to delete a card using the message box in LC 5.5.3 (on Mac 10.9.5) it works if I type


delete this card 


in the message box.  However, I get an error message if I try the same thing from a button on the card or from a script in the stack.  This didn't used to be the case.  Any suggestions?
Thanks!
Happy New Year,
Stephen Goldberg
stgoldberg at aol.com


From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 31 10:36:54 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:36:54 +0000
Subject: set the textstyle is dramatically slower on 7.0.1 than 5.5
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-FQJgZqH28_=XzJA-bp=i2cpmbpDCiP2Fx7+rKwdz=xGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-EMaHu+gUvXsTpC-GE3aTKa412ySGJb22YKxGSOwCykmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-FQJgZqH28_=XzJA-bp=i2cpmbpDCiP2Fx7+rKwdz=xGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <105D60F8-E995-4D01-8364-A6F57F9A39DE@iotecdigital.com>

Do you lock the screen before doing something like this?

Bob S


> On Dec 31, 2014, at 02:28 , Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 5.5 can mark up a fld containing almost 4000 lines, with a box round (at
> least) one word of each line, in 7 seconds.
> 
> 7.0.1 takes 136 seconds to process the same field, and switches after a
> short while from using a LC-style "busy" cursor, to using the windows
> system busy cursor.  Normally when I see that cursor in LC I'm expecting LC
> to hang or crash.  The CPU is pegged at an average of 65% utilisation
> during this process.
> 
> So, 7.0.1 is almost 20x slower than 5.5 for this operation.
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Using this kind of processing in a loop is extremely fast on 5.5:
>> 
>> set the textstyle["box"] of char x to y of fld 1 to true
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7.0.1 it goes at a snail's pace.
>> 
>> 
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From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 31 10:43:10 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:43:10 +0000
Subject: Delete this card command not working in LIvecode 5.5.3
In-Reply-To: <8D1F326B658B159-1AF0-6E3BD@webmail-vm067.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1F326B658B159-1AF0-6E3BD@webmail-vm067.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C84118CE-04C3-409C-8B0F-39C3212680AD@iotecdigital.com>

That is because you are deleting the parent object of the object a running script is on. Try sending in time. 

Bob S


> On Dec 31, 2014, at 07:36 , stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:
> 
> If I want to delete a card using the message box in LC 5.5.3 (on Mac 10.9.5) it works if I type
> 
> 
> delete this card 
> 
> 
> in the message box.  However, I get an error message if I try the same thing from a button on the card or from a script in the stack.  This didn't used to be the case.  Any suggestions?
> Thanks!
> Happy New Year,
> Stephen Goldberg
> stgoldberg at aol.com
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From eric at canelasoftware.com  Wed Dec 31 10:43:54 2014
From: eric at canelasoftware.com (Eric Corbett)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 07:43:54 -0800
Subject: Delete this card command not working in LIvecode 5.5.3
In-Reply-To: <8D1F326B658B159-1AF0-6E3BD@webmail-vm067.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1F326B658B159-1AF0-6E3BD@webmail-vm067.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B251F293-615E-40CC-83E9-B10E737FABF9@canelasoftware.com>

You can not delete a control whose script is still running.

Try in the button:

on mouseUp
     local tID
     put the long I'd of this card into tID
     send "deleteMe tID" to me in 1 milliseconds
end mouseUp

Then put the deleteMe handler in the stack.

- e



> On Dec 31, 2014, at 07:36, "stgoldberg at aol.com" <stgoldberg at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> If I want to delete a card using the message box in LC 5.5.3 (on Mac 10.9.5) it works if I type
> 
> 
> delete this card 
> 
> 
> in the message box.  However, I get an error message if I try the same thing from a button on the card or from a script in the stack.  This didn't used to be the case.  Any suggestions?
> Thanks!
> Happy New Year,
> Stephen Goldberg
> stgoldberg at aol.com
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 10:50:16 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 15:50:16 +0000
Subject: set the textstyle is dramatically slower on 7.0.1 than 5.5
In-Reply-To: <CDB194D7-B116-430B-A981-7AB94AB0F341@derbrill.de>
References: <mailman.1781.1415126072.20523.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<CDB194D7-B116-430B-A981-7AB94AB0F341@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-GfFNjSHDQoyD1EWBK50cn0aRNsQzUWDrs33OAe7pMCRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Malte

Does the server version of LC have the ability to set styledText?  I've
never used it, so I'm not aware of its limitations. From my reading of that
forum post, it seems the preferred method is to create a sample
script/results which run on LC server.

Reading the contributions to that thread, I didn't see anything as bad as
this 20x slowdown between 5.5 and 7.0.1 .

I just did a test on 5.5 vs. 6.7 and there was very little difference in
terms of speed with regard to this method of setting styledText.


Regards,
Bernard

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de>
wrote:

> Hi Bernard,
>
> I am afraid 7.x is quite a bit slower in many places...
>
> see: http://forums.livecode.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=22072
>
> Most of this has to do with the rewrite of the engine I guess. Add the
> overhead for unicode... Boils down to I can not make the switch to 7.x just
> yet, before the dev team has found ways to optimize performance. If you
> find other areas where it is significantly slower, please do me a favour to
> set up a small benchmark and post it to the forums. The dev team and
> Richard as community manager are aware of that thread and as far as I
> understood actively looking into ways to optimize.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Dec 31 11:00:16 2014
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:00:16 +0000
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <54A3F6A1.10908@gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>
	<39F2E372-179B-441B-A7AC-BA6DB5693E0C@gmail.com>
	<B1CE48E3-596F-4E89-A014-3D278D737309@gmail.com>
	<54A3F6A1.10908@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CFCFE3C3-E472-4C68-A2F6-4D5E073D8AE5@byu.edu>

You can delete your tweet then retweet with the proper case. Whew! Too much rhyming in that sentence.

DNA

On Dec 31, 2014, at 6:14 AM, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 31/12/14 12:37, Peter W A Wood wrote:
>> Richmond
>> 
>> Well tweeted, well almost well tweeted. You vote hasn?t been counted yet although it does appear in the list of ?votes? when you click on the LiveCode circle.
>> 
>> You tweeted Livecode. Had you tweeted LiveCode or livecode you vote would have been counted. I?ve made a request for Livecode to be treated as LiveCode (by submitting a pull request on Github). If it is accepted your vote will get automatically added to the total. I am very hopeful that the request will be accepted but we will need to wait until America goes to work to find out.
> 
> Cripes: the rubicon was lost because of a lowercase letter!
> 
> Richmond.
> 
>> 
>> So that you can have a good rant about the software that counts the votes.  It was written in Ruby and seems to use case-sensitive comparison.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Peter
>> http://LiveCode1001.blogspot.com <http://livecode1001.blogspot.com/>
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Office of Digital Humanities
Brigham Young University




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 11:01:58 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:01:58 +0200
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <CFCFE3C3-E472-4C68-A2F6-4D5E073D8AE5@byu.edu>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>	<407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>	<39F2E372-179B-441B-A7AC-BA6DB5693E0C@gmail.com>	<B1CE48E3-596F-4E89-A014-3D278D737309@gmail.com>	<54A3F6A1.10908@gmail.com>
	<CFCFE3C3-E472-4C68-A2F6-4D5E073D8AE5@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <54A41DF6.70707@gmail.com>

On 31/12/14 18:00, Devin Asay wrote:
> You can delete your tweet then retweet with the proper case. Whew! Too much rhyming in that sentence.
>
> DNA
>
>
  Tom Bodine also tweeted "Livecode" . . . !

Richmond.




From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 11:09:53 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 16:09:53 +0000
Subject: set the textstyle is dramatically slower on 7.0.1 than 5.5
In-Reply-To: <105D60F8-E995-4D01-8364-A6F57F9A39DE@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CA+O+R-EMaHu+gUvXsTpC-GE3aTKa412ySGJb22YKxGSOwCykmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-FQJgZqH28_=XzJA-bp=i2cpmbpDCiP2Fx7+rKwdz=xGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<105D60F8-E995-4D01-8364-A6F57F9A39DE@iotecdigital.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-Fx8n6VxMaKjfCk+cKft_N7tzoSyoKE7jAk3020zT11Mw@mail.gmail.com>

This is with the screen locked.

Regards,
Bernard

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com>
wrote:

> Do you lock the screen before doing something like this?
>
> Bob S
>
> > On Dec 31, 2014, at 02:28 , Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 5.5 can mark up a fld containing almost 4000 lines, with a box round (at
> > least) one word of each line, in 7 seconds.
> >
> > 7.0.1 takes 136 seconds to process the same field,
>


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 11:16:00 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:16:00 +0200
Subject: Late to the party
Message-ID: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com>

No, not the New Year party!

My younger son flew to Doha about 3 years ago to some daft sports conference
financed by the sheikhs out there as part of their attempts to buy 
respectability.

Anyway, at one point one of the al-Thani "lot" gave my son an iPad 1 (my 
younger
son is a bit "like that" - people keep giving him things).

Now at the University of Pennsylvania, my son has found that between his 
MacBook
and is iPhone he no longer needs his iPad: so it ends up with 
Bottom-Feeder No.1 in
our family: Me.

---------------------------

Having Jail-broken it and generally mucked around with it . . .

I wonder how to get an iOS standalone onto the machine "down a cable"
as I should like to try out one or two of my programs that way before I 
contemplate
anything expensive . . . .

I would be grateful for any advice.

Richmond.



From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 11:36:07 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 08:36:07 -0800
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7ePe=Jc-MDdrgNmT7mHm7JjBAe4hGLX+Vrn6OioLCcFTHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePe=Jc-MDdrgNmT7mHm7JjBAe4hGLX+Vrn6OioLCcFTHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSFyx-YPYh2X5iKB9+DiU6hTofR4TeMBVzYa+rqKY0Ub4g@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:

> Your code refers to chstk in one place and chcStk  in another.
>

chcStk is a custom property telling whether to use the default pallet or
another field; chStck holds the result of that.

Overall, it appears I'm being bitten by *Bug 10862*
<http://quality.runrev.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10862> - While debugging
selectedChunk points to the script editor--which is over eight months old,
confirmed and acknowledged, and unfixed.

The parentheses fixed *that* problem.  But I'm still struggling to delete
the text and then process.

I'm trying triggering my behavior on textChanged--which let me pull a few
handlers and not try to handle deletion of selected text and backspace.
(This field isn't all that different than the recent typingFilter stack,
accomplishing similar purposes)

Now, though, with it all cleaned up, I've added the test a second time,
with the side-effect code gone.  The chcStk of me is "true" when this
happens, and the handler begins with the value "field 1 of stack dna"--but
that value is never used, just cjeckdd for empty:

on shwChcStk
   --ck "chstk: _" & chStk  & "_; " & cr & (chStk is empty )
   if chStk is empty then
      --debug only; this happens in the debugger.
      answer "chStk empty"
      breakpoint
      initCtr
   end if

   if the chcStk of me then
      if word 2 of chStk is not among the lines of the openStacks then
         lock messages --chStk becomes unset during openstack!
         palette chStk
         unlock messages
      end if
      if chStk is empty then
         --debug only; this happens in the debugger.
         answer "chStk empty"
         breakpoint
         initCtr
      end if

The *second* "if chStk" test triggers;  somehow, chStk changes from a value
to empty about where the palette opens, even with messages locked--unless
I'm in the debugger, in which case the value remains the same.
-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Dec 31 12:18:38 2014
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:18:38 -0800
Subject: revFontLoad
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1420023601.27291.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.3.1420023601.27291.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4F64DA9B-9AF7-4E26-80CD-EBA1F41EB124@clearvisiontech.com>

Greetings!

I am trying to load a font with the revFontLoad command, but my standalone errors "can't find handler".  Yes, "Font Support" is selected in the Standalone Builder.  It works fine in the IDE.  I looked in the standalone app's contents and the revFont.bundle file is there.  Any thoughts?

Using LC 7.0.1 (fails on 6.6.5 too)

Thanks!
-Dan


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Dec 31 12:24:20 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:24:20 -0500
Subject: revFontLoad
In-Reply-To: <4F64DA9B-9AF7-4E26-80CD-EBA1F41EB124@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <mailman.3.1420023601.27291.use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>
	<4F64DA9B-9AF7-4E26-80CD-EBA1F41EB124@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXNDG-avKrx5KEv8eWcLtZZbnH1pDbqe8vmHJwaphRxiyw@mail.gmail.com>

Search the dictionary for "font".  You'll see a newer syntax with more
platforms supported.  "Start using font file" and "Stop using font file".
This has worked better than revLoadFont for me.

Also, include your font in the copy files pane of the standalone builder.

~Roger
On Dec 31, 2014 12:19 PM, "Dan Friedman" <dan at clearvisiontech.com> wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> I am trying to load a font with the revFontLoad command, but my standalone
> errors "can't find handler".  Yes, "Font Support" is selected in the
> Standalone Builder.  It works fine in the IDE.  I looked in the standalone
> app's contents and the revFont.bundle file is there.  Any thoughts?
>
> Using LC 7.0.1 (fails on 6.6.5 too)
>
> Thanks!
> -Dan
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 12:32:00 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (Michael Doub)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:32:00 -0500
Subject: Late to the party
In-Reply-To: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com>
References: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A43310.2090505@gmail.com>

Here is how I hack around with all mobile development.  I take advantage 
of Dropbox and it works great.

You need to build a single application using the appropriate development 
tools (apple or android), Copy the app to the device using the USB one time.

Create a directory in dropbox for all of your stacks then create an 
Index.txt file that contains the dropbox links to each stack. The 
Index.txt file has a dropbox link as the first item and  a program title 
as the second item.  You need to make sure that dropbox link uses the 
dl. format above.    In the datagrid, just hide the link field.

When you run the app, it reads the dropbox index and when you double 
clink on a program title it loads the associated stack.

I do the programming on a PC, save the stack, then pick up the mobile 
device and text.   I skip the whole simulator step, but that is just my 
preference.

Here is whole app, it is a biggie ...

on opencard
    set itemdel to tab
    put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/555555/Index.txt" into AppList
    set the dgText of grp "AppPicker" to Applist
end opencard

on mousedoubleup
    set the itemdel to tab
    put the dgHilitedLines of grp "AppPicker" into tLine
    put the dgDataOfLine[tLine] of grp "AppPicker" into tData
    put tData["theLink"] into tURL
    go to URL tURL
end mousedoubleup

Hope this helps.

Regards,
    Mike



On 12/31/14 11:16 AM, Richmond wrote:
> No, not the New Year party!
>
> My younger son flew to Doha about 3 years ago to some daft sports 
> conference
> financed by the sheikhs out there as part of their attempts to buy 
> respectability.
>
> Anyway, at one point one of the al-Thani "lot" gave my son an iPad 1 
> (my younger
> son is a bit "like that" - people keep giving him things).
>
> Now at the University of Pennsylvania, my son has found that between 
> his MacBook
> and is iPhone he no longer needs his iPad: so it ends up with 
> Bottom-Feeder No.1 in
> our family: Me.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Having Jail-broken it and generally mucked around with it . . .
>
> I wonder how to get an iOS standalone onto the machine "down a cable"
> as I should like to try out one or two of my programs that way before 
> I contemplate
> anything expensive . . . .
>
> I would be grateful for any advice.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Dec 31 12:36:00 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:36:00 -0800
Subject: Membership disabled
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>

About once every couple of weeks, I get a message from the list that my
membership has been disabled because of excessive bounces.  Is anyone else
getting these?

Enabling membership is simple as there's a link in the email to do it.

I believe this is caused by something that was discussed a couple of months
ago regarding AOL and Yahoo's configuration of DMARC which causes emails
sent to my email address by the list from anyone who uses those hosts to be
bounced in certain circumstances (I'm not sure what those circumstances
are).  Consequently, I never see list postings from anyone who uses Yahoo
or AOL as their email host.

The email that list postings are sent to is pete at lcsql.com but I use gMail
as my email reader and it is set up to use POP3 to collect emails from that
address.  I also have a gmail filter that puts all emails from the list
into a specific folder within gMail.

Can anyone shed any light on this?  In particular, is there some other way
I can set things up that would avoid this problem?

I have notified Heather os this but there doesn't seem to be anything that
can be done at the list level to fix the problem.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 12:37:52 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:37:52 +0000
Subject: set the textstyle is dramatically slower on 7.0.1 than 5.5
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-EMaHu+gUvXsTpC-GE3aTKa412ySGJb22YKxGSOwCykmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-EMaHu+gUvXsTpC-GE3aTKa412ySGJb22YKxGSOwCykmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-Fya7tv2A160KStqUWyQkUFDNc18U7KEScn6Q3N0SicTA@mail.gmail.com>

I switched to getting the htmlText and putting tags round the text I want.

Even on LC 7.0 with 4000 lines each containing the word to style, this only
takes less than 1 second.

Bernard

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Using this kind of processing in a loop is extremely fast on 5.5:
>
> set the textstyle["box"] of char x to y of fld 1 to true
>
>
>
> On 7.0.1 it goes at a snail's pace.
>
> I haven't bothered to do any benchmarks yet, just wondered if anyone else
> has noticed this (or is it another of these things peculiar to me). I would
> estimate that 7.0.1 is 10x slower than 5.5.  It is a very significant slow
> down.
>
> I searched RQCC and I can find no bug report relating to this.
>
> Bernard
>


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Wed Dec 31 12:42:54 2014
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:42:54 -0800
Subject: revFontLoad
Message-ID: <5A6CFC0E-5834-402B-A93C-E32615237B99@clearvisiontech.com>

Roger,

THANKS for the tip!  Works without error!  I'l try it on Windoz next...  Thanks again!

-Dan


> Search the dictionary for "font".  You'll see a newer syntax with more
> platforms supported.  "Start using font file" and "Stop using font file".
> This has worked better than revLoadFont for me.
> 
> Also, include your font in the copy files pane of the standalone builder.



From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 12:48:19 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 09:48:19 -0800
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFyx-YPYh2X5iKB9+DiU6hTofR4TeMBVzYa+rqKY0Ub4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePe=Jc-MDdrgNmT7mHm7JjBAe4hGLX+Vrn6OioLCcFTHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFyx-YPYh2X5iKB9+DiU6hTofR4TeMBVzYa+rqKY0Ub4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSHAyCAdF7t5chStJ9swZyRE5zWgYBWQsUxLQBxPYg4U3w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The *second* "if chStk" test triggers;  somehow, chStk changes from a
> value to empty about where the palette opens, even with messages
> locked--unless I'm in the debugger, in which case the value remains the
> same.


And now, saving in legacy 5 format and opening with 5.5.4, disabling the
pass by reference and a use of childControlNames, I can't even test, as
mouseEnter isn't being sent to cards (although mouseLeave is!)



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Dec 31 12:48:32 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:48:32 -0500
Subject: Late to the party
In-Reply-To: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com>
References: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXP_xsqmfKZLYGdkHx3DdYmtYLzXXZg9njzR8v5GE-jVEA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know of a way to install an app to an iPad without giving Apple $99
for a year of that privilege.  I have no idea if the jailbreak changes that.

Sent from my Android tablet
On Dec 31, 2014 11:16 AM, "Richmond" <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, not the New Year party!
>
> My younger son flew to Doha about 3 years ago to some daft sports
> conference
> financed by the sheikhs out there as part of their attempts to buy
> respectability.
>
> Anyway, at one point one of the al-Thani "lot" gave my son an iPad 1 (my
> younger
> son is a bit "like that" - people keep giving him things).
>
> Now at the University of Pennsylvania, my son has found that between his
> MacBook
> and is iPhone he no longer needs his iPad: so it ends up with
> Bottom-Feeder No.1 in
> our family: Me.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Having Jail-broken it and generally mucked around with it . . .
>
> I wonder how to get an iOS standalone onto the machine "down a cable"
> as I should like to try out one or two of my programs that way before I
> contemplate
> anything expensive . . . .
>
> I would be grateful for any advice.
>
> Richmond.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 12:49:45 2014
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:49:45 +0000
Subject: set the textstyle is dramatically slower on 7.0.1 than 5.5
In-Reply-To: <CA+O+R-Fya7tv2A160KStqUWyQkUFDNc18U7KEScn6Q3N0SicTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+O+R-EMaHu+gUvXsTpC-GE3aTKa412ySGJb22YKxGSOwCykmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+O+R-Fya7tv2A160KStqUWyQkUFDNc18U7KEScn6Q3N0SicTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+O+R-FQzfQYGZAi9_dVcTd__L0Xc7pVFjOFpnkb9uoDSnFAbg@mail.gmail.com>

Using the same technique with 5.5 takes 175ms rather than 960ms.

So, 5.5 is still many times faster than 7.0.1 when it comes to styling text
in fields (5.5 is around 6x faster than 7.0.1 even using this technique).
Using a loop through the field where each word/chunk is styled as it is
found (using "set the textstyle of x"), takes minutes.  That is the kind of
thing new users might try, and they will receive a very unfavourable view
of Livecode.


Bernard

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> I switched to getting the htmlText and putting tags round the text I want.
>
> Even on LC 7.0 with 4000 lines each containing the word to style, this
> only takes less than 1 second.
>
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec 31 12:51:49 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:51:49 -0600
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSFyx-YPYh2X5iKB9+DiU6hTofR4TeMBVzYa+rqKY0Ub4g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>	<CAGDT7ePe=Jc-MDdrgNmT7mHm7JjBAe4hGLX+Vrn6OioLCcFTHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFyx-YPYh2X5iKB9+DiU6hTofR4TeMBVzYa+rqKY0Ub4g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A437B5.5040706@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/31/2014 10:36 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote:
> somehow, chStk changes from a value
> to empty about where the palette opens, even with messages locked-

Again, any time you change stacks the focus will change. When that 
happens the selection usually gets wiped. Locking messages won't help in 
this situation; that just means the engine won't send event reports to 
your scripts but it doesn't change how the engine behaves.

Clicking on something, opening something, etc. usually removes the 
selection, which should be considered as temporary as "the result" or 
"it". (List fields are an exception because they store the hilitedline 
natively.) It will usually still be there if nothing else happens, but 
in this case you are opening another stack and using an answer dialog, 
both of which change the focus.

The best approach is to store the selection in a variable before you do 
anything else, if you are going to need it later.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com  Wed Dec 31 13:00:40 2014
From: bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:00:40 +0000
Subject: Membership disabled
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43647D8A-83E5-4668-8C37-F8EDB3BC2406@iotecdigital.com>

One possibility is that someone (meaning software someone wrote) is using your email address to spam others and you have been blacklisted. You will need to change your email you use to converse with the list if that is so. You can query blacklists to find if this is so. Google email blacklists and you should get links to sites that can check your email for you. If your IP has been blacklisted, then something has been spamming through your router. If you have wireless, you will need to lock that down. If you have malware, well then God help you. That is more advice than anyone on this list wants to wade through, but the upshot is, backup your data, wipe and reinstall everything, install a GOOD AV product, then restore your data. In that order. 

Bob S


On Dec 31, 2014, at 09:36 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> About once every couple of weeks, I get a message from the list that my
> membership has been disabled because of excessive bounces.  Is anyone else
> getting these?
> 
> Enabling membership is simple as there's a link in the email to do it.
> 
> I believe this is caused by something that was discussed a couple of months
> ago regarding AOL and Yahoo's configuration of DMARC which causes emails
> sent to my email address by the list from anyone who uses those hosts to be
> bounced in certain circumstances (I'm not sure what those circumstances
> are).  Consequently, I never see list postings from anyone who uses Yahoo
> or AOL as their email host.
> 
> The email that list postings are sent to is pete at lcsql.com but I use gMail
> as my email reader and it is set up to use POP3 to collect emails from that
> address.  I also have a gmail filter that puts all emails from the list
> into a specific folder within gMail.
> 
> Can anyone shed any light on this?  In particular, is there some other way
> I can set things up that would avoid this problem?
> 
> I have notified Heather os this but there doesn't seem to be anything that
> can be done at the list level to fix the problem.
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 13:12:04 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:12:04 -0800
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
In-Reply-To: <54A437B5.5040706@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePe=Jc-MDdrgNmT7mHm7JjBAe4hGLX+Vrn6OioLCcFTHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFyx-YPYh2X5iKB9+DiU6hTofR4TeMBVzYa+rqKY0Ub4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A437B5.5040706@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSF0Vn49d04De-NzqBqbhLCAjkaWMNV5U-Ez4m0nVQkW+Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:51 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> Again, any time you change stacks the focus will change. When that happens
> the selection usually gets wiped. Locking messages won't help in this
> situation; that just means the engine won't send event reports to your
> scripts but it doesn't change how the engine behaves.
>

The selection isn't an issue anymore; it is no longer used.

The problem is that the local script-scope variable, which is supposed to
be persistent short of the recompile of the script, is being emptied by the
opening of the palette--with both messages locked and the open/preopen
scripts of the palette stack existing and being empty.

>
> Clicking on something, opening something, etc. usually removes the
> selection, which should be considered as temporary as "the result" or "it".
> (List fields are an exception because they store the hilitedline natively.)
> It will usually still be there if nothing else happens, but in this case
> you are opening another stack and using an answer dialog, both of which
> change the focus.
>
> The best approach is to store the selection in a variable before you do
> anything else, if you are going to need it later.
>

But what I'm losing *is* a variable!  The selection manipulations have been
completely removed in favor of a handler that does things on textChanged.
The problem is that opening a stack is resetting a local variable.

I added another pair of checks here
   lock messages --chStk becomes unset during openstack!
      ck  "chStk pre:" &chStk
      palette (chStk)
      ck  "chStk post:" &chStk
      unlock messages
(and recall that openStack and preOpenStack are empty handlers in stack
ctrlChoices
The log window shows,
chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
chStk post:

So it works sometimes, and other times resets this varirable . .

Incidental oddities:
* saving in 5.5 format left the stack I was working on corrupted, with no
rescue file.
* 5.5.4 would open the palette *behind* the current stack, but sometimes
move it to the top when told to open an additioanl time
* 5.5.4 wouldn't pass mouseEnter to either a stack or its behavior, but
*would* catch it if the mouse entered a field on the stack.

-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Dec 31 13:14:51 2014
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 19:14:51 +0100
Subject: Membership disabled
In-Reply-To: <43647D8A-83E5-4668-8C37-F8EDB3BC2406@iotecdigital.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<43647D8A-83E5-4668-8C37-F8EDB3BC2406@iotecdigital.com>
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Hi,

I get the same problem ?  too many bounces ?.
I don?t know what happens?. I re-enter my membership with the link and it goes further well until I received a new mail with ? too many bounces ? and so on
But I?m speaking French and don?t understand what they mean with ? too many bounces ? ??
Thank you for helping me.

Amicalement.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be

> Le 31 d?c. 2014 ? 19:00, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> a ?crit :
> 
> One possibility is that someone (meaning software someone wrote) is using your email address to spam others and you have been blacklisted. You will need to change your email you use to converse with the list if that is so. You can query blacklists to find if this is so. Google email blacklists and you should get links to sites that can check your email for you. If your IP has been blacklisted, then something has been spamming through your router. If you have wireless, you will need to lock that down. If you have malware, well then God help you. That is more advice than anyone on this list wants to wade through, but the upshot is, backup your data, wipe and reinstall everything, install a GOOD AV product, then restore your data. In that order. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 
> On Dec 31, 2014, at 09:36 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
>> 
>> About once every couple of weeks, I get a message from the list that my
>> membership has been disabled because of excessive bounces.  Is anyone else
>> getting these?
>> 
>> Enabling membership is simple as there's a link in the email to do it.
>> 
>> I believe this is caused by something that was discussed a couple of months
>> ago regarding AOL and Yahoo's configuration of DMARC which causes emails
>> sent to my email address by the list from anyone who uses those hosts to be
>> bounced in certain circumstances (I'm not sure what those circumstances
>> are).  Consequently, I never see list postings from anyone who uses Yahoo
>> or AOL as their email host.
>> 
>> The email that list postings are sent to is pete at lcsql.com but I use gMail
>> as my email reader and it is set up to use POP3 to collect emails from that
>> address.  I also have a gmail filter that puts all emails from the list
>> into a specific folder within gMail.
>> 
>> Can anyone shed any light on this?  In particular, is there some other way
>> I can set things up that would avoid this problem?
>> 
>> I have notified Heather os this but there doesn't seem to be anything that
>> can be done at the list level to fix the problem.
>> 
>> Pete
>> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
>> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
>> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 13:18:42 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:18:42 +0200
Subject: Late to the party
In-Reply-To: <54A43310.2090505@gmail.com>
References: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com> <54A43310.2090505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A43E02.90907@gmail.com>

On 31/12/14 19:32, Michael Doub wrote:
> Here is how I hack around with all mobile development.  I take 
> advantage of Dropbox and it works great.
>
> You need to build a single application using the appropriate 
> development tools (apple or android), Copy the app to the device using 
> the USB one time.
>
> Create a directory in dropbox for all of your stacks then create an 
> Index.txt file that contains the dropbox links to each stack. The 
> Index.txt file has a dropbox link as the first item and  a program 
> title as the second item.  You need to make sure that dropbox link 
> uses the dl. format above.    In the datagrid, just hide the link field.
>
> When you run the app, it reads the dropbox index and when you double 
> clink on a program title it loads the associated stack.
>
> I do the programming on a PC, save the stack, then pick up the mobile 
> device and text.   I skip the whole simulator step, but that is just 
> my preference.
>
> Here is whole app, it is a biggie ...
>
> on opencard
>    set itemdel to tab
>    put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/555555/Index.txt" into AppList
>    set the dgText of grp "AppPicker" to Applist
> end opencard
>
> on mousedoubleup
>    set the itemdel to tab
>    put the dgHilitedLines of grp "AppPicker" into tLine
>    put the dgDataOfLine[tLine] of grp "AppPicker" into tData
>    put tData["theLink"] into tURL
>    go to URL tURL
> end mousedoubleup
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>    Mike

Super, Thank you very much.

Richmond.

>
>
>
> On 12/31/14 11:16 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> No, not the New Year party!
>>
>> My younger son flew to Doha about 3 years ago to some daft sports 
>> conference
>> financed by the sheikhs out there as part of their attempts to buy 
>> respectability.
>>
>> Anyway, at one point one of the al-Thani "lot" gave my son an iPad 1 
>> (my younger
>> son is a bit "like that" - people keep giving him things).
>>
>> Now at the University of Pennsylvania, my son has found that between 
>> his MacBook
>> and is iPhone he no longer needs his iPad: so it ends up with 
>> Bottom-Feeder No.1 in
>> our family: Me.
>>
>> ---------------------------
>>
>> Having Jail-broken it and generally mucked around with it . . .
>>
>> I wonder how to get an iOS standalone onto the machine "down a cable"
>> as I should like to try out one or two of my programs that way before 
>> I contemplate
>> anything expensive . . . .
>>
>> I would be grateful for any advice.
>>
>> Richmond.
>>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Dec 31 13:30:18 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:30:18 -0800
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSF0Vn49d04De-NzqBqbhLCAjkaWMNV5U-Ez4m0nVQkW+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePe=Jc-MDdrgNmT7mHm7JjBAe4hGLX+Vrn6OioLCcFTHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFyx-YPYh2X5iKB9+DiU6hTofR4TeMBVzYa+rqKY0Ub4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A437B5.5040706@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSF0Vn49d04De-NzqBqbhLCAjkaWMNV5U-Ez4m0nVQkW+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71A48513-A567-4B40-A0C2-5BD3587DD114@tactilemedia.com>

I haven't totally followed this discussion but it sounds like you might be relying solely on the debugger to display the values of script variables.  You might try using a more direct approach by using a command or getProp handler to dump variable values into the message box or a field so you can see them. Also consider setting up a timed script to monitor the variable you think is being changed so you can verify where in your sequence of events this might be happening.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media UX/UI Design


> On Dec 31, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 9:51 AM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Again, any time you change stacks the focus will change. When that happens
>> the selection usually gets wiped. Locking messages won't help in this
>> situation; that just means the engine won't send event reports to your
>> scripts but it doesn't change how the engine behaves.
>> 
> 
> The selection isn't an issue anymore; it is no longer used.
> 
> The problem is that the local script-scope variable, which is supposed to
> be persistent short of the recompile of the script, is being emptied by the
> opening of the palette--with both messages locked and the open/preopen
> scripts of the palette stack existing and being empty.
> 
>> 
>> Clicking on something, opening something, etc. usually removes the
>> selection, which should be considered as temporary as "the result" or "it".
>> (List fields are an exception because they store the hilitedline natively.)
>> It will usually still be there if nothing else happens, but in this case
>> you are opening another stack and using an answer dialog, both of which
>> change the focus.
>> 
>> The best approach is to store the selection in a variable before you do
>> anything else, if you are going to need it later.
>> 
> 
> But what I'm losing *is* a variable!  The selection manipulations have been
> completely removed in favor of a handler that does things on textChanged.
> The problem is that opening a stack is resetting a local variable.
> 
> I added another pair of checks here
>   lock messages --chStk becomes unset during openstack!
>      ck  "chStk pre:" &chStk
>      palette (chStk)
>      ck  "chStk post:" &chStk
>      unlock messages
> (and recall that openStack and preOpenStack are empty handlers in stack
> ctrlChoices
> The log window shows,
> chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk post:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk pre:stack ctrlChoices
> chStk post:
> 
> So it works sometimes, and other times resets this varirable . .
> 
> Incidental oddities:
> * saving in 5.5 format left the stack I was working on corrupted, with no
> rescue file.
> * 5.5.4 would open the palette *behind* the current stack, but sometimes
> move it to the top when told to open an additioanl time
> * 5.5.4 wouldn't pass mouseEnter to either a stack or its behavior, but
> *would* catch it if the mouse entered a field on the stack.
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 14:23:55 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:23:55 +0200
Subject: Late to the party
In-Reply-To: <54A43310.2090505@gmail.com>
References: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com> <54A43310.2090505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A44D4B.5080603@gmail.com>

On 31/12/14 19:32, Michael Doub wrote:
> Here is how I hack around with all mobile development.  I take 
> advantage of Dropbox and it works great.
>
> You need to build a single application using the appropriate 
> development tools (apple or android), Copy the app to the device using 
> the USB one time.

That is where the possible problem lies:

If I plug in the iPad to Macintosh (10.8) it opens iTunes: I seem unable 
to get the file system on the iPad to mount.

If I plug in the iPad to Linux I see 2 volumes; "Richmond" and 
"Documents": neither of which, if I burrow down into the directories,
seem to contain any apps, photos or anything else.

What I need to know is where in those 2 volumes I should place my 
Livecode standalone so that it shows up on the iPad desktop.

--------------

The following is needlessly complex as I shall hive all my programs off 
as self-contained standalones.
>
> Create a directory in dropbox for all of your stacks then create an 
> Index.txt file that contains the dropbox links to each stack. The 
> Index.txt file has a dropbox link as the first item and  a program 
> title as the second item.  You need to make sure that dropbox link 
> uses the dl. format above.    In the datagrid, just hide the link field.
>
> When you run the app, it reads the dropbox index and when you double 
> clink on a program title it loads the associated stack.
>
> I do the programming on a PC, save the stack, then pick up the mobile 
> device and text.   I skip the whole simulator step, but that is just 
> my preference.
>
> Here is whole app, it is a biggie ...
>
> on opencard
>    set itemdel to tab
>    put url "https://dl.dropbox.com/s/555555/Index.txt" into AppList
>    set the dgText of grp "AppPicker" to Applist
> end opencard
>
> on mousedoubleup
>    set the itemdel to tab
>    put the dgHilitedLines of grp "AppPicker" into tLine
>    put the dgDataOfLine[tLine] of grp "AppPicker" into tData
>    put tData["theLink"] into tURL
>    go to URL tURL
> end mousedoubleup
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>    Mike
>
Richmond.



From dunbarx at aol.com  Wed Dec 31 14:25:05 2014
From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:25:05 -0500
Subject: Membership disabled
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1F3469D7C1B7D-248C-2BE8E@webmail-m238.sysops.aol.com>

Yes.


For a long time. Jacque thought it might have to do with AOL, but you are not on that service.


Craig



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 31, 2014 12:36 pm
Subject: Membership disabled


About once every couple of weeks, I get a message from the list that my
membership has been disabled because of excessive bounces.  Is anyone else
getting these?

Enabling membership is simple as there's a link in the email to do it.

I believe this is caused by something that was discussed a couple of months
ago regarding AOL and Yahoo's configuration of DMARC which causes emails
sent to my email address by the list from anyone who uses those hosts to be
bounced in certain circumstances (I'm not sure what those circumstances
are).  Consequently, I never see list postings from anyone who uses Yahoo
or AOL as their email host.

The email that list postings are sent to is pete at lcsql.com but I use gMail
as my email reader and it is set up to use POP3 to collect emails from that
address.  I also have a gmail filter that puts all emails from the list
into a specific folder within gMail.

Can anyone shed any light on this?  In particular, is there some other way
I can set things up that would avoid this problem?

I have notified Heather os this but there doesn't seem to be anything that
can be done at the list level to fix the problem.

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Dec 31 14:42:42 2014
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:42:42 -0800
Subject: Membership disabled
In-Reply-To: <57032699-F1ED-401B-98F1-D1EDA52622A9@skynet.be>
References: <57032699-F1ED-401B-98F1-D1EDA52622A9@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <54A451B2.6060301@fourthworld.com>

Yves COPPE wrote:
 > I get the same problem ?  too many bounces ?.
 > I don?t know what happens?. I re-enter my membership with the link
 > and it goes further well until I received a new mail with ? too many
 > bounces ? and so on
 > But I?m speaking French and don?t understand what they mean with ?
 > too many bounces ? ??

The message means that the recipient's server is rejecting the email, 
and with a frequency that suggests there may be a problem with the 
recipient's account beyond the scope of anything the sender can do, so 
the sender simply stops attempting to send.

There may be many reasons why a mail server would reject an incoming 
message, so you'll need to review your spam settings and/or discuss this 
with you server admin to determine what's happening there.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com                http://www.FourthWorld.com



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Dec 31 15:01:12 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:01:12 -0800
Subject: Membership disabled
In-Reply-To: <57032699-F1ED-401B-98F1-D1EDA52622A9@skynet.be>
References: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<43647D8A-83E5-4668-8C37-F8EDB3BC2406@iotecdigital.com>
	<57032699-F1ED-401B-98F1-D1EDA52622A9@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eMa0PSFPjeh1EphVM8v2g=wipjL4JEMJpVKk1+dRwNMUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Yves,
Are you using gMail?

Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I get the same problem ?  too many bounces ?.
> I don?t know what happens?. I re-enter my membership with the link and it
> goes further well until I received a new mail with ? too many bounces ? and
> so on
> But I?m speaking French and don?t understand what they mean with ? too
> many bounces ? ??
> Thank you for helping me.
>
> Amicalement.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
> > Le 31 d?c. 2014 ? 19:00, Bob Sneidar <bobsneidar at iotecdigital.com> a
> ?crit :
> >
> > One possibility is that someone (meaning software someone wrote) is
> using your email address to spam others and you have been blacklisted. You
> will need to change your email you use to converse with the list if that is
> so. You can query blacklists to find if this is so. Google email blacklists
> and you should get links to sites that can check your email for you. If
> your IP has been blacklisted, then something has been spamming through your
> router. If you have wireless, you will need to lock that down. If you have
> malware, well then God help you. That is more advice than anyone on this
> list wants to wade through, but the upshot is, backup your data, wipe and
> reinstall everything, install a GOOD AV product, then restore your data. In
> that order.
> >
> > Bob S
> >
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2014, at 09:36 , Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> About once every couple of weeks, I get a message from the list that my
> >> membership has been disabled because of excessive bounces.  Is anyone
> else
> >> getting these?
> >>
> >> Enabling membership is simple as there's a link in the email to do it.
> >>
> >> I believe this is caused by something that was discussed a couple of
> months
> >> ago regarding AOL and Yahoo's configuration of DMARC which causes emails
> >> sent to my email address by the list from anyone who uses those hosts
> to be
> >> bounced in certain circumstances (I'm not sure what those circumstances
> >> are).  Consequently, I never see list postings from anyone who uses
> Yahoo
> >> or AOL as their email host.
> >>
> >> The email that list postings are sent to is pete at lcsql.com but I use
> gMail
> >> as my email reader and it is set up to use POP3 to collect emails from
> that
> >> address.  I also have a gmail filter that puts all emails from the list
> >> into a specific folder within gMail.
> >>
> >> Can anyone shed any light on this?  In particular, is there some other
> way
> >> I can set things up that would avoid this problem?
> >>
> >> I have notified Heather os this but there doesn't seem to be anything
> that
> >> can be done at the list level to fix the problem.
> >>
> >> Pete
> >> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> >> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> >> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-livecode mailing list
> >> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> >
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From david.wood at pixelpump.co.nz  Wed Dec 31 15:12:27 2014
From: david.wood at pixelpump.co.nz (Dave Wood)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 09:12:27 +1300
Subject: Membership disabled
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6925D87F-E1DA-426E-BD0F-747AD5364B17@pixelpump.co.nz>

> About once every couple of weeks, I get a message from the list that my
> membership has been disabled because of excessive bounces.  Is anyone else
> getting these?


Just adding to Richard's response?

I also had this problem. It went on for months until last February. After first contacting the list admin folks and following their advice, I contacted my own service provider and asked them to stop rejecting these emails. They never did give me a proper explanation of why they were blocking many of the lists emails, but whatever they did, the problem stopped and I've not had a single instance of this since.

So my suggestion is to followup with your IP

David


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec 31 15:37:17 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:37:17 -0600
Subject: Late to the party
In-Reply-To: <54A44D4B.5080603@gmail.com>
References: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com> <54A43310.2090505@gmail.com>
	<54A44D4B.5080603@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A45E7D.8040102@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/31/2014 1:23 PM, Richmond wrote:
>
> What I need to know is where in those 2 volumes I should place my
> Livecode standalone so that it shows up on the iPad desktop.

It's all hidden and iOS doesn't offer a file system. The only way to get 
an app onto your device normally is to install it the usual way via 
over-the-air or through iTunes.

I don't know how jailbreaking the device will affect it, but in an 
unrooted device you must have a developer account and the appropriate 
certificates and distribution profiles set up. Otherwise the app won't 
install.

If there is a different way with a jailbroken tablet then you'll need to 
do some research, as Apple doesn't allow that.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec 31 15:44:59 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:44:59 -0600
Subject: Membership disabled
In-Reply-To: <8D1F3469D7C1B7D-248C-2BE8E@webmail-m238.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1F3469D7C1B7D-248C-2BE8E@webmail-m238.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <54A4604B.6020709@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/31/2014 1:25 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
> Jacque thought it might have to do with AOL, but you are not on that service.

I still think it has to do with AOL, but the recipient doesn't need to 
be on that service (my mailserver isn't.) It's that the sender is 
writing from AOL and the recipient's server is rejecting those messages 
because AOL has set some properties that the receiving server doesn't like.

Yahoo did the same thing apparently. I do know that some of your 
messages never arrive here, but others do, so in my case it's spotty and 
not often enough for me to get the bounce notice. My email client does 
put some of your messages into my spam folder.

AOL and Yahoo have a history of spammer abuse, and it's likely that's 
why they set up certain parameters and why the receiving servers are 
rejecting so many of the those emails.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Dec 31 15:46:29 2014
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 21:46:29 +0100
Subject: Membership disabled
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eMa0PSFPjeh1EphVM8v2g=wipjL4JEMJpVKk1+dRwNMUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<43647D8A-83E5-4668-8C37-F8EDB3BC2406@iotecdigital.com>
	<57032699-F1ED-401B-98F1-D1EDA52622A9@skynet.be>
	<CAGDT7eMa0PSFPjeh1EphVM8v2g=wipjL4JEMJpVKk1+dRwNMUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6016640F-4FAE-4D8F-AED0-F73FC033A56C@skynet.be>


> 
> Hi Yves,
> Are you using gMail?
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

Hi,

Not at all, I use a IAF in Belgium : skynet.be <http://skynet.be/>
I have a gmail account I only use for a specific professional purpose but never for the user list.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From pete at lcsql.com  Wed Dec 31 16:44:27 2014
From: pete at lcsql.com (Peter Haworth)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:44:27 -0800
Subject: Membership disabled
In-Reply-To: <54A4604B.6020709@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1F3469D7C1B7D-248C-2BE8E@webmail-m238.sysops.aol.com>
	<54A4604B.6020709@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CAGDT7eNFEYnLpHkQx5Qr3zZE_78ix7rVFYEDGFRRLOTkK=Xjyw@mail.gmail.com>

So here's a perfect example.  I never got Craig's email which is quoted in
Jacque's reply.  This only happens with emails sent from either an AOL
address or a Yahoo address to the How To list so it's definitely a
Yahoo/AOL related problem.

I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of this but I'm told it's the
result of an email checking protocol named DMARC.

I am going to try changing the address my list mails are sent to to my
gMail address instead of my lcSQL address and see if that makes any
difference.



Pete
lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:44 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
wrote:

> On 12/31/2014 1:25 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Jacque thought it might have to do with AOL, but you are not on that
>> service.
>>
>
> I still think it has to do with AOL, but the recipient doesn't need to be
> on that service (my mailserver isn't.) It's that the sender is writing from
> AOL and the recipient's server is rejecting those messages because AOL has
> set some properties that the receiving server doesn't like.
>
> Yahoo did the same thing apparently. I do know that some of your messages
> never arrive here, but others do, so in my case it's spotty and not often
> enough for me to get the bounce notice. My email client does put some of
> your messages into my spam folder.
>
> AOL and Yahoo have a history of spammer abuse, and it's likely that's why
> they set up certain parameters and why the receiving servers are rejecting
> so many of the those emails.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>
>
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From dochawk at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 16:47:02 2014
From: dochawk at gmail.com (Dr. Hawkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:47:02 -0800
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
In-Reply-To: <71A48513-A567-4B40-A0C2-5BD3587DD114@tactilemedia.com>
References: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePe=Jc-MDdrgNmT7mHm7JjBAe4hGLX+Vrn6OioLCcFTHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFyx-YPYh2X5iKB9+DiU6hTofR4TeMBVzYa+rqKY0Ub4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A437B5.5040706@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSF0Vn49d04De-NzqBqbhLCAjkaWMNV5U-Ez4m0nVQkW+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<71A48513-A567-4B40-A0C2-5BD3587DD114@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <CANQHZSESznf=OiRBEjWk79riW7cSzdWBOWqoHB1pRmSbvY3RqA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
wrote:

> I haven't totally followed this discussion but it sounds like you might be
> relying solely on the debugger to display the values of script variables.
> You might try using a more direct approach by using a command or getProp
> handler to dump variable values into the message box or a field so you can
> see them.


I *think* that that is what I'm doing.  My ck command logs to the message
box and a log window in another substack.

I've found that
ck  "chStk pre:" &chStk
palette (chStk)
ck  "chStk post:" &chStk

shows the variable chStk to be "stack ctrlChoices" , opens that stack, and
promptly loses its value (but not in the debugger; it keeps the value
there.)

Also consider setting up a timed script to monitor the variable you think
> is being changed so you can verify where in your sequence of events this
> might be happening.


It's pinned down.  I'm down to *why* using a variable name in a palette
statement wipes the variable.



-- 
Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
(702) 508-8462


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Dec 31 17:01:57 2014
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:01:57 -0800
Subject: script scope variables inexplicably becoming unset
In-Reply-To: <CANQHZSESznf=OiRBEjWk79riW7cSzdWBOWqoHB1pRmSbvY3RqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANQHZSFmYDbRhiXUiLK9gK-3pow2+_AYXp2Eyg1AAjNkxdctZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGDT7ePe=Jc-MDdrgNmT7mHm7JjBAe4hGLX+Vrn6OioLCcFTHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANQHZSFyx-YPYh2X5iKB9+DiU6hTofR4TeMBVzYa+rqKY0Ub4g@mail.gmail.com>
	<54A437B5.5040706@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CANQHZSF0Vn49d04De-NzqBqbhLCAjkaWMNV5U-Ez4m0nVQkW+Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<71A48513-A567-4B40-A0C2-5BD3587DD114@tactilemedia.com>
	<CANQHZSESznf=OiRBEjWk79riW7cSzdWBOWqoHB1pRmSbvY3RqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9334C0C8-212C-4414-A98D-D6AB99E8C00F@tactilemedia.com>

Another useful process is to create a simple set of test stacks and copy over your relevant handlers.  If you can recreate the problem there, you may have found an odd bug, but if not, the problem likely lies elsewhere in the code of your original stacks.

Regards,

Scott Rossi 
Creative Director 
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design 

On Dec 31, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Dr. Hawkins <dochawk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I haven't totally followed this discussion but it sounds like you might be
>> relying solely on the debugger to display the values of script variables.
>> You might try using a more direct approach by using a command or getProp
>> handler to dump variable values into the message box or a field so you can
>> see them.
> 
> 
> I *think* that that is what I'm doing.  My ck command logs to the message
> box and a log window in another substack.
> 
> I've found that
> ck  "chStk pre:" &chStk
> palette (chStk)
> ck  "chStk post:" &chStk
> 
> shows the variable chStk to be "stack ctrlChoices" , opens that stack, and
> promptly loses its value (but not in the debugger; it keeps the value
> there.)
> 
> Also consider setting up a timed script to monitor the variable you think
>> is being changed so you can verify where in your sequence of events this
>> might be happening.
> 
> 
> It's pinned down.  I'm down to *why* using a variable name in a palette
> statement wipes the variable.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq.
> (702) 508-8462
> _______________________________________________
> use-livecode mailing list
> use-livecode at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode




From stgoldberg at aol.com  Wed Dec 31 17:36:29 2014
From: stgoldberg at aol.com (stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 17:36:29 -0500
Subject: Delete this card command not working in LIvecode 5.5.3
Message-ID: <8D1F3615A7FE97C-BE0-A539D@webmail-va141.sysops.aol.com>


I thank Bob Sneider and Eric Corbett for their suggestions below regarding "delete this card" not working. However, the problem appears more complex.  For many years on January 1, I have created a new invoice stack for the new year by deleting the some 2000 cards from the preceding year's stack and using what remains as a template for the new year.  In doing this I used in the stack script a "delete this card" command, repeated x number of times, deleting each old card.  It always worked, but does not work now using the same script. I'm still using LC 5.5.3.

Peculiarly, if a put a button on a card with the script "delete this card" it won't work, but will work if I make the button a group. "Delete this card" also works from the message box.  It doesn't work when called upon from a stack script, including my efforts at timing.  I just found a way around this though by using "delete NEXT card" instead of "delete THIS card" in the stack script. Maybe the change in behavior has to do the newer Mac operating system (10.7.5 and 10.9.5)?

>Stephen Goldberg:If I want to delete a card using the message box in LC 5.5.3 (on Mac 10.9.5) it >works if I type "delete this card" in the message box.  However, I get an error message if I try the >same thing from a button on the card or from a script in the stack.  This didn't used to be the case.

>Bob Sneider: That is because you are deleting the parent object of the object a running 
>script is on. Try sending in time. 

>Eric Corbett: You can not delete a control whose script is still running.

>Try in the button:

>on mouseUp
   >  local tID
   >  put the long I'd of this card into tID
   >  send "deleteMe tID" to me in 1 milliseconds
>end mouseUp

>Then put the deleteMe handler in the stack.

Stephen Goldberg






From martyknappster at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 17:55:59 2014
From: martyknappster at gmail.com (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 14:55:59 -0800
Subject: Good is the new Best
Message-ID: <54A47EFF.5070804@gmail.com>

I may be losing my mind but I just discovered something weird. I'm 
mostly using LC 6.6.5 these days and I have an app that I've struggled 
to get good looking icons (many of them are fairly small). I was making 
them in Photoshop at 2x size and after importing to LC, setting the 
resizeQuality to "best" and scaling them down. But they didn't look that 
great. I've had a few customers complain about the lack of "retina" 
quality so I finally bit the bullet and picked up a refurbished MacBook 
Pro with a 13" Retina display so that I was no longer working blind. To 
my surprise I found a couple of my icons looked great and some not. The 
ones that looked best turned out to have had their resizeQuality set to 
"good". The ones set to "best" didn't look nearly as good. (I know, this 
is starting to sound like "Who's on first!") So I looped through all the 
images and reset the resizeQuality to "good" and now they all look nice 
and sharp on Retina. But isn't this backward? Curious, I opened the 
project in LC 6.7 rc4 to see if this "bug" was fixed but it seems to be 
the same. On a non-retina display "good" and "best" look about the same 
(and not all that great with small icons).

As an aside, I also opened some of my apps, built with LC 5.0.2, on my 
new Retina MacBook and they look terrible - even the text looks bad - 
even the text in system windows (print dialog etc) - very pixelated. The 
same stacks opened with LC 6.6.5 look fine.

Anybody else seeing this?

Maybe "good" is the new "best!"

Happy new year to everyone,
Marty Knapp



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 18:01:17 2014
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2015 01:01:17 +0200
Subject: Late to the party
In-Reply-To: <54A45E7D.8040102@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com>
	<54A43310.2090505@gmail.com>	<54A44D4B.5080603@gmail.com>
	<54A45E7D.8040102@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <54A4803D.3010207@gmail.com>

On 31/12/14 22:37, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 12/31/2014 1:23 PM, Richmond wrote:
>>
>> What I need to know is where in those 2 volumes I should place my
>> Livecode standalone so that it shows up on the iPad desktop.
>
> It's all hidden and iOS doesn't offer a file system. The only way to 
> get an app onto your device normally is to install it the usual way 
> via over-the-air or through iTunes.
>
> I don't know how jailbreaking the device will affect it, but in an 
> unrooted device you must have a developer account and the appropriate 
> certificates and distribution profiles set up. Otherwise the app won't 
> install.
>
> If there is a different way with a jailbroken tablet then you'll need 
> to do some research, as Apple doesn't allow that.

"Apple doesn't allow that"; Ooo, I'm scared . . .

I jail-broke the thing because I really don't like being told what to do 
with something I own:

1. A friend of mine keeps hens in a car: that's OK. Mind you it can be a 
bit disconcerting if one brakes suddenly
and one gets a squawking chicken butting one in the back of the head. 
The second time I borrowed one of his cars
I took the second from the left (he has 8 old cars in a row), knowing 
the hens stayed in the first. I saw some lovely
day-lilies growing in the sheuch, stopped the car, and felt something 
licking my neck - I'd picked the car with the goat!

2. I use a copy of a book given out at airports by a well-known cult as 
a way to prop open the toilet door so the cats
can get in and out to do their business: that's positively a lot better 
than what the cult intends it for.

3. The iPad was gifted to me by my son (who was gifted it by Sheikh 
Abdullah al-Thani); so I really don't know who agreed to
some funny EULA that won't stick anyway.
--------------------------------------------------------------

"It's all hidden and iOS doesn't offer a file system." Really? Try 
hooking an iPad up to a Linux box. Extremely informative.

When I connect the iPod to my Ubuntu Studio I can see a set of nested 
directories via the Thunar file-browser that is
the standard XFCE thing:

One path: /Documents on Richmond's iPad/  contains folders with the same 
names as apps I have installed (i.e. NOT the standard ones that
come pre-installed when one installs iOS), each of thos folders contains 
one folder called ZZZ.app (where 'ZZZ' is the name of the app) and
a series of other folders: 'Documents', 'Library', 'tmp' and two 
documents: 'iTunesArtwork' and 'iTunesMetadata.plist'.

So, PRESUMABLY, I have to author an iOS standalone on Macintosh and then 
put the resulting app package in a folder with the same name in
the Documents folder via Linux.

Certainly that is what I shall try to do.

I shall also have some 'fun' examining the contents of the plist files 
of other apps . . .

By-ther-way: the file system mounts on Linux running XFCE regardless of 
whether it has been jail-broken or not.

------------------------------------------------------

Before anyone wants to get all hoity-toity and pompous about my 
jail-breaking an old iPad (and the amount of people on this Use-List
and the Forums who do get all hoity-toity about that sort of thing never 
ceases to amaze me, especially as the imposition of those
sort of rules by companies that manufacture operating systems and/or 
computer hardware is legally shaky at the best of times,
and anybody with a half-decent brain can work out that legality and 
morality do not have a one-to-one correspondence), I assure you
I have NOT jail-broken my iPad out of some of attempt to start 
manufacturing Livecode standalones and handing them out from my website
with instructions to end-users on how to subvert Apple's draconian 
control to install the things.

I have fooled around with the iPad emulator and, frankly, find it 
extremely difficult to work with: an iPad coming my way was jolly lucky; so
I jail-broke the thing for 2 reasons, the first is listed above, and the 
second is so I can try out an iPad standalone PROPERLY by running
my alpha, beta and (probably) gamma, delta and epsilon versions on the 
thing before I go and make a fool of myself by issuing an
iPad App that mucks everybody's iPad up.
--------------------------------------------------------

I should, perhaps, point out that if anybody else wants a "walk on the 
wild side" and to jail-break their iPad, I tried it twice: the first time
I "hosed" the thing completely and had to restore the whole thing via 
iTunes.

The second time I used a different method and, so far, things seem alright.

Anybody who wants the exact details should contact me off-list as this 
has "sweet F.A." to do with Livecode.

------------------------------------------------------
"in an unrooted device you must have a developer account and the 
appropriate certificates and distribution profiles set up. Otherwise the 
app won't install. "

One of the jolly things about 'Cydia' (the app-thing that gets installed 
on one's iPad if one jail-breaks it by one of the
standard, ready-made ways), is that there is a user-guide that tells you 
how to obtain administrator access using
Mobile Terminal' and everybody's favourite "su root".

Richmond.




From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 18:03:08 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 07:03:08 +0800
Subject: Code 2014 - Vote for LiveCode
In-Reply-To: <54A41DF6.70707@gmail.com>
References: <B1375293-2BD4-4AF6-8433-B92C736ADC9F@gmail.com>
	<407D754B-5DE5-470C-8D1B-4A6EC67EAF17@iotecdigital.com>
	<39F2E372-179B-441B-A7AC-BA6DB5693E0C@gmail.com>
	<B1CE48E3-596F-4E89-A014-3D278D737309@gmail.com>
	<54A3F6A1.10908@gmail.com>
	<CFCFE3C3-E472-4C68-A2F6-4D5E073D8AE5@byu.edu>
	<54A41DF6.70707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1A1C2B4-04A7-4E1B-8BF7-FB389A7FA1AC@gmail.com>

Richmond

I am happy to report that I was wrong and the ?voting machine? was case insensitive. Both your and Tom?s vote were counted.

Regards

Peter


> On 1 Jan 2015, at 00:01, Richmond <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 31/12/14 18:00, Devin Asay wrote:
>> You can delete your tweet then retweet with the proper case. Whew! Too much rhyming in that sentence.
>> 
>> DNA
>> 
>> 
> Tom Bodine also tweeted "Livecode" . . . !
> 
> Richmond.
> 
> 
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From mikedoub at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 18:09:42 2014
From: mikedoub at gmail.com (mikedoub at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 18:09:42 -0500
Subject: Late to the party
In-Reply-To: <54A4803D.3010207@gmail.com>
References: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com> <54A43310.2090505@gmail.com>
	<54A44D4B.5080603@gmail.com> <54A45E7D.8040102@hyperactivesw.com>
	<54A4803D.3010207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20141231230942.6049939.60963.8129@gmail.com>

The real issue is that those of us that have been working with standard devices don't know how to help you. ? I sure folks will share any info we have, but you are charting new territory..at least for those on this list. ?

Mike
? Original Message ?
From: Richmond
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:01 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Reply To: How to use LiveCode
Subject: Re: Late to the party

On 31/12/14 22:37, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> On 12/31/2014 1:23 PM, Richmond wrote:
>>
>> What I need to know is where in those 2 volumes I should place my
>> Livecode standalone so that it shows up on the iPad desktop.
>
> It's all hidden and iOS doesn't offer a file system. The only way to 
> get an app onto your device normally is to install it the usual way 
> via over-the-air or through iTunes.
>
> I don't know how jailbreaking the device will affect it, but in an 
> unrooted device you must have a developer account and the appropriate 
> certificates and distribution profiles set up. Otherwise the app won't 
> install.
>
> If there is a different way with a jailbroken tablet then you'll need 
> to do some research, as Apple doesn't allow that.

"Apple doesn't allow that"; Ooo, I'm scared . . .

I jail-broke the thing because I really don't like being told what to do 
with something I own:

1. A friend of mine keeps hens in a car: that's OK. Mind you it can be a 
bit disconcerting if one brakes suddenly
and one gets a squawking chicken butting one in the back of the head. 
The second time I borrowed one of his cars
I took the second from the left (he has 8 old cars in a row), knowing 
the hens stayed in the first. I saw some lovely
day-lilies growing in the sheuch, stopped the car, and felt something 
licking my neck - I'd picked the car with the goat!

2. I use a copy of a book given out at airports by a well-known cult as 
a way to prop open the toilet door so the cats
can get in and out to do their business: that's positively a lot better 
than what the cult intends it for.

3. The iPad was gifted to me by my son (who was gifted it by Sheikh 
Abdullah al-Thani); so I really don't know who agreed to
some funny EULA that won't stick anyway.
--------------------------------------------------------------

"It's all hidden and iOS doesn't offer a file system." Really? Try 
hooking an iPad up to a Linux box. Extremely informative.

When I connect the iPod to my Ubuntu Studio I can see a set of nested 
directories via the Thunar file-browser that is
the standard XFCE thing:

One path: /Documents on Richmond's iPad/ contains folders with the same 
names as apps I have installed (i.e. NOT the standard ones that
come pre-installed when one installs iOS), each of thos folders contains 
one folder called ZZZ.app (where 'ZZZ' is the name of the app) and
a series of other folders: 'Documents', 'Library', 'tmp' and two 
documents: 'iTunesArtwork' and 'iTunesMetadata.plist'.

So, PRESUMABLY, I have to author an iOS standalone on Macintosh and then 
put the resulting app package in a folder with the same name in
the Documents folder via Linux.

Certainly that is what I shall try to do.

I shall also have some 'fun' examining the contents of the plist files 
of other apps . . .

By-ther-way: the file system mounts on Linux running XFCE regardless of 
whether it has been jail-broken or not.

------------------------------------------------------

Before anyone wants to get all hoity-toity and pompous about my 
jail-breaking an old iPad (and the amount of people on this Use-List
and the Forums who do get all hoity-toity about that sort of thing never 
ceases to amaze me, especially as the imposition of those
sort of rules by companies that manufacture operating systems and/or 
computer hardware is legally shaky at the best of times,
and anybody with a half-decent brain can work out that legality and 
morality do not have a one-to-one correspondence), I assure you
I have NOT jail-broken my iPad out of some of attempt to start 
manufacturing Livecode standalones and handing them out from my website
with instructions to end-users on how to subvert Apple's draconian 
control to install the things.

I have fooled around with the iPad emulator and, frankly, find it 
extremely difficult to work with: an iPad coming my way was jolly lucky; so
I jail-broke the thing for 2 reasons, the first is listed above, and the 
second is so I can try out an iPad standalone PROPERLY by running
my alpha, beta and (probably) gamma, delta and epsilon versions on the 
thing before I go and make a fool of myself by issuing an
iPad App that mucks everybody's iPad up.
--------------------------------------------------------

I should, perhaps, point out that if anybody else wants a "walk on the 
wild side" and to jail-break their iPad, I tried it twice: the first time
I "hosed" the thing completely and had to restore the whole thing via 
iTunes.

The second time I used a different method and, so far, things seem alright.

Anybody who wants the exact details should contact me off-list as this 
has "sweet F.A." to do with Livecode.

------------------------------------------------------
"in an unrooted device you must have a developer account and the 
appropriate certificates and distribution profiles set up. Otherwise the 
app won't install. "

One of the jolly things about 'Cydia' (the app-thing that gets installed 
on one's iPad if one jail-breaks it by one of the
standard, ready-made ways), is that there is a user-guide that tells you 
how to obtain administrator access using
Mobile Terminal' and everybody's favourite "su root".

Richmond.


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From peterwawood at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 18:19:58 2014
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 07:19:58 +0800
Subject: Membership disabled
In-Reply-To: <CAGDT7eNFEYnLpHkQx5Qr3zZE_78ix7rVFYEDGFRRLOTkK=Xjyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGDT7eOiQoO-DHzegXB-j-8aCmN1vWnK6ydi7Ez0uRW5adRYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1F3469D7C1B7D-248C-2BE8E@webmail-m238.sysops.aol.com>
	<54A4604B.6020709@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CAGDT7eNFEYnLpHkQx5Qr3zZE_78ix7rVFYEDGFRRLOTkK=Xjyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB46AE5E-CEAF-4E03-ABF9-07D8FB3D14DF@gmail.com>

All of Craig?s messages to this list get directed to my Gmail spam folder and has been for a long time. A handful of other list messages also end up there. There were a couple from another AOL user today.

Regards
Peter

http://LiveCode1001/blogspot.com <http://livecode1001/blogspot.com>


> On 1 Jan 2015, at 05:44, Peter Haworth <pete at lcsql.com> wrote:
> 
> So here's a perfect example.  I never got Craig's email which is quoted in
> Jacque's reply.  This only happens with emails sent from either an AOL
> address or a Yahoo address to the How To list so it's definitely a
> Yahoo/AOL related problem.
> 
> I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of this but I'm told it's the
> result of an email checking protocol named DMARC.
> 
> I am going to try changing the address my list mails are sent to to my
> gMail address instead of my lcSQL address and see if that makes any
> difference.
> 
> 
> 
> Pete
> lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com>
> Home of lcStackBrowser <http://www.lcsql.com/lcstackbrowser.html> and
> SQLiteAdmin <http://www.lcsql.com/sqliteadmin.html>
> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:44 PM, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/31/2014 1:25 PM, dunbarx at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Jacque thought it might have to do with AOL, but you are not on that
>>> service.
>>> 
>> 
>> I still think it has to do with AOL, but the recipient doesn't need to be
>> on that service (my mailserver isn't.) It's that the sender is writing from
>> AOL and the recipient's server is rejecting those messages because AOL has
>> set some properties that the receiving server doesn't like.
>> 
>> Yahoo did the same thing apparently. I do know that some of your messages
>> never arrive here, but others do, so in my case it's spotty and not often
>> enough for me to get the bounce notice. My email client does put some of
>> your messages into my spam folder.
>> 
>> AOL and Yahoo have a history of spammer abuse, and it's likely that's why
>> they set up certain parameters and why the receiving servers are rejecting
>> so many of the those emails.
>> 
>> --
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Dec 31 21:15:39 2014
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:15:39 -0600
Subject: Late to the party
In-Reply-To: <54A4803D.3010207@gmail.com>
References: <54A42140.3060000@gmail.com>	<54A43310.2090505@gmail.com>	<54A44D4B.5080603@gmail.com>	<54A45E7D.8040102@hyperactivesw.com>
	<54A4803D.3010207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54A4ADCB.7050604@hyperactivesw.com>

On 12/31/2014 5:01 PM, Richmond wrote:
> "It's all hidden and iOS doesn't offer a file system." Really? Try
> hooking an iPad up to a Linux box. Extremely informative.

Of course. All computers have file systems. But still: iOS doesn't offer 
one. When you look at the drive on a Linux machine, you aren't in iOS 
any more.

Apple has gone out of its way to hide just about everything that makes 
people think they're running a computer. It's about as dumbed down as it 
gets.

The rules Apple imposes are their trade-off for security. Less freedom 
to tinker means less malware, and to a large extent that's true. But 
that road isn't for everyone.

> Before anyone wants to get all hoity-toity and pompous about my
> jail-breaking an old iPad

I'm not one of those. I don't care. In fact, I don't much like iOS. My 
iPad sits in a drawer turned off, and I only use it to test apps. My 
daily device is Android, I prefer the freedom.

I did like your story about the goat. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From roger.e.eller at sealedair.com  Wed Dec 31 23:54:40 2014
From: roger.e.eller at sealedair.com (Roger Eller)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 23:54:40 -0500
Subject: Good is the new Best
In-Reply-To: <54A47EFF.5070804@gmail.com>
References: <54A47EFF.5070804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAT6EXOa72UrqYXxjyusupmo5Jvt0mOYzerHfPGP_exB4JAuOA@mail.gmail.com>

I do remember the pixelated text bug in the 5.x versions.  I really hated
that one.

Oh, and happy new year LiveCoders!!!

Sent from my Android tablet
On Dec 31, 2014 5:56 PM, "Marty Knapp" <martyknappster at gmail.com> wrote:

> I may be losing my mind but I just discovered something weird. I'm mostly
> using LC 6.6.5 these days and I have an app that I've struggled to get good
> looking icons (many of them are fairly small). I was making them in
> Photoshop at 2x size and after importing to LC, setting the resizeQuality
> to "best" and scaling them down. But they didn't look that great. I've had
> a few customers complain about the lack of "retina" quality so I finally
> bit the bullet and picked up a refurbished MacBook Pro with a 13" Retina
> display so that I was no longer working blind. To my surprise I found a
> couple of my icons looked great and some not. The ones that looked best
> turned out to have had their resizeQuality set to "good". The ones set to
> "best" didn't look nearly as good. (I know, this is starting to sound like
> "Who's on first!") So I looped through all the images and reset the
> resizeQuality to "good" and now they all look nice and sharp on Retina. But
> isn't this backward? Curious, I opened the project in LC 6.7 rc4 to see if
> this "bug" was fixed but it seems to be the same. On a non-retina display
> "good" and "best" look about the same (and not all that great with small
> icons).
>
> As an aside, I also opened some of my apps, built with LC 5.0.2, on my new
> Retina MacBook and they look terrible - even the text looks bad - even the
> text in system windows (print dialog etc) - very pixelated. The same stacks
> opened with LC 6.6.5 look fine.
>
> Anybody else seeing this?
>
> Maybe "good" is the new "best!"
>
> Happy new year to everyone,
> Marty Knapp
>
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