"Introducing New LiveCode Licenses"

dunbarx at aol.com dunbarx at aol.com
Mon Oct 28 22:55:11 EDT 2013

A little disconcerting to have a public tiff among highly respected old-timers.


There are many new users who seem to have started LC with an app in mind, usually mobile, These persons, I would have to call them "commercial" programmers, ask questions here and in the forum far beyond their capabilities, having moved too fast for their own good. They ask questions involving aspects of LC that are pretty advanced, yet having little experience with the "put" command.

Of all possible development tools, LC seems to be a breeding ground of such starry eyed optimism. This is a good thing, though it probably leaves a trail of discouraged users, disappointed that their efforts do not bear fruit because they do not have, and will not work to attain, a fundamental understanding of the program.

Lazy kids, mostly. But not all...

Thinking of how HC used to engender that sort of thing. 

Craig Newman

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Wilcox <m_p_wilcox at yahoo.co.uk>
To: How to use LiveCode <use-livecode at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 8:02 pm
Subject: Re: "Introducing New LiveCode Licenses"

>> I don't see why a book for beginners wouldn't be for commercial programmers. 
A commercial programmer needs to start somewhere too.

This is true - but a commercial programmer doesn't usually start their 
programming career thinking "I'm going to create an app to sell". Typically 
people learn to code first, then figure out how to earn money doing it. 
Developers who learned to code so they could create a commercial app are very 
much the exception, not the rule. You don't usually go through the "real 
beginner" stage with commercial intent - I assume this includes learning about 
things like conditionals and loops. So all I'm saying is that a programmer new 
to LiveCode but not new to programming is likely to be put off by "for the Real 
Beginner" because it implies re-hashing a bunch of stuff they already know to 
learn the syntax and get to the interesting and unique features of the language 
rather than just jumping right to those things.

I mentioned the VisionMobile figures because yours weren't that far off, 
although I also agree with Monte that your survey design and promotion are very 
likely to suffer from "sampling bias" (to use the technical term). Even the 
VisionMobile survey inevitably suffers from some sampling bias but the questions 
are carefully designed and the sources of responses monitored so that it can be 
corrected for in various ways. It's extremely difficult to get reliable stats 
from non-mandatory surveys.

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